2021-02-15

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416187 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 9, #1 of 1737 🔗

Happy Monday

416190 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Elisabeth, 1, #2 of 1737 🔗

2nd.

416324 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #3 of 1737 🔗

No: sorry but it’s the fifteenth!

416501 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to iane, 9, #4 of 1737 🔗

Every day seems the same when you are under house arrest.

416695 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #5 of 1737 🔗

aka in solitary confinement

416604 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to PWL, 1, #7 of 1737 🔗

Special Saturday Broadcast: Governments Admit COVID-19 a Cover for Depopulation Program
https://www.infowars.com/posts/breaking-uk-govt-admits-covid-19-a-cover-for-depopulation-program/

416654 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #8 of 1737 🔗

Why the downticks? This is a free speech site.

416886 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to PWL, 7, #9 of 1737 🔗

While statistics show the astra vaccine has more reactions at the moment, the mRNA vaccine acts as a primer, the animals who died in previous mRNA vaccine trials (as opposed to the present human trials) died later on exposure to a new round of infection. Extrapolating from that we can expect many more deaths in the future from previously vaccinated mRNA vaccine subjects.

417889 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Elisabeth, #10 of 1737 🔗

Happy Mondays surely?

416189 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 64, #11 of 1737 🔗

A Member of the Welsh parliament, Neil McEvoy MS, had the police call around at his home in order to caution him for the offence of delivering election leaflets. McEvoy is up against Mark Drakeford in Cardiff West. If McEvoy had has a professional company deliver leaflets he would not have fallen foul of the alleged law/regulation which favours candidates and parties with large bank balances. Fortunately, McEvoy had the presence of mind to not accept the caution. If South Wales Police want to take this further then they will have to put the matter before a court. This needs covering in Lockdown Sceptics – delivering election leaflets is illegal in Wales just a few months before an election. https://www.facebook.com/neiljmcevoy/posts/264938005003246

416192 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 37, #12 of 1737 🔗

Everything worth doing is illegal in Wales.
Sadly, this includes shooting Dungford. Soon it will pobably include voting against Dungford.
I remember a story from In the last, ramshackle days of Soviet Russia, which Stalinist Wales increasingly resembles, an election was held in which there was, as usual, only one candidate. He still lost.

416195 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Annie, 30, #13 of 1737 🔗

Back in the 1980s rugby mad Wales was always extolling the virtues of Romania which had a rugby team. We can only hope for a Caucescu-balcony moment. The oint about the above post is that it is Drakeford’s opinion that voluntarily delivering leaflets is illegal and South Wales police have acted as Drakeford’s personal bodyguards. thank goodness McEvoy is not the type to be intimidated. His new party is an anti-lockdown party and I hope the Plod push this to a court case. i doubt the CPS will oblige, however.

416203 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 30, #14 of 1737 🔗

If I was in McEvoy’s constituency, ward, whatever, needless to say I’d vote for him.
So many things that are only guidelines in England are laws in Wales that it’s hard to know where Plod really does get off. And Plod knows that. All human beings are de facto criminals in Gulag Zombie. I hope and believe that McEvoy knows exactly. what the law is in this case.

Democracy is illegal. Freedom is illegal. Human rights are illegal.
Dungford grows more like Ceausescu every day.

416393 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Annie, 2, #15 of 1737 🔗

Will the Welsh be fighting to get back into England at this rate?

416201 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #16 of 1737 🔗

Leaflets spread the virus?

416204 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to PatrickF, 17, #17 of 1737 🔗

of course, don’t you know? coronabollox, the gift that keeps on giving, for totalitarians everywhere

416205 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #18 of 1737 🔗

Yes, if decency, freedom, democracy and human rights can be described as viruses.

416209 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PatrickF, 15, #19 of 1737 🔗

Every BLOODY thing, even being alive spreads the virus.
MASS WORLDWIDE SUICIDE, That’s the answer, now where’s Jim Jones when you need him?

416213 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #20 of 1737 🔗

In Cardiff. Changed name to Dungford.

416236 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #21 of 1737 🔗

That’s what I keep wondering. If these clowns were honest they would say that simply being alive is hazardous to human health and advocate mass seppuku to stop the spread of the virus.

Then Sage should start the ball rolling to set an example.

416276 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #22 of 1737 🔗

A man before his time, old Jim.
https://images.app.goo.gl/1jqjr5fyXbpeFk196

416434 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #23 of 1737 🔗

Kevorkian would approve of the mRNA virus. “Dying is not a crime” – when you have total legal immunity.

416415 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 1, #24 of 1737 🔗

Not if they are promoting Pizza outlets.

416232 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #25 of 1737 🔗

Oh sweet summer child there will be no more elections in Whales

416257 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #26 of 1737 🔗

Or in Dolphins?

416383 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #27 of 1737 🔗

Yes and Brian Rose who is campaigning again that anti British weasel Sadiq Kant was stopped by the met from campaigning in London for the London Mayor election.

416508 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #28 of 1737 🔗

Is Sadiq Khan legally the London Mayor? It seems to me that London currently has no Mayor. It’s a fixed term and the term has been completed. I would be interested to know what a constitutional lawyer would say about this.

416402 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #29 of 1737 🔗

Mr McEvoy should personally deliver a leaflet up Drakeford’s arse – with gloves on of course….

416505 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to dhid, 3, #30 of 1737 🔗

The leaflet should be pinned to a marrow.

416822 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Londo Mollari, #31 of 1737 🔗

Lol!

416804 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dhid, 1, #32 of 1737 🔗

I’d pay good money to see that

416823 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bart Simpson, #33 of 1737 🔗

So would I !

416441 ▶▶ DickieA, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #34 of 1737 🔗

Mr McEvoy should change his name by deed poll to “Mr Mark Drakeford is a fascist bastard” and have his day in court.

417231 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Londo Mollari, #35 of 1737 🔗

McEvoy will trounce him

417429 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, #36 of 1737 🔗

It is a bit early to be delivering election leaflets, though? He may run into another type of trouble if it is decided that the leaflets he delivers in February are part of his election expenses. Parties and local councillors do issue leaflets between elections but have to be careful not to described them as election leaflets.

416191 eptwll, replying to eptwll, 9, #37 of 1737 🔗

Grandparents bloody well haven’t been accused of ‘killing granny’.

416326 ▶▶ iane, replying to eptwll, #38 of 1737 🔗

No, I blame that on Captain Tom.

416193 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 38, #39 of 1737 🔗

If this site and everyone on it is against lockdown, logic points to root and branch reform of the NHS.

Lockdown has been about nothing more than protecting the NHS.

And, in its current structure, the NHS needs protection: the worst healthcare outcomes in Europe during this total weird out, e.g. 15-44 age group Euromomo z scores Apr/May 2020, Dec 20/Jan 21; NHS England the only country out of 27 in Europe with overall all cause mortality above ‘substantial increase’ for those periods.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#z-scores-by-country

So…how to reform? Because this site must be practical, useful, constructive:

Why not look at the most successful healthcare systems in Europe and pick the best features of each?

Sounds sensible? But a lot of work……

No problem. It’s already been done for you:

‘In a ‘blind test’, in which we look at health outcome data, and guess which data point represents which country, the UK could easily be mistaken for an Eastern European country.’

‘…if the UK’s breast cancer, prostate cancer, lung cancer and bowel cancer patients were treated in the Netherlands rather than on the NHS, more than 9,000 lives would be saved every year. If they were treated in Germany, more than 12,000 lives would be saved, and if they were treated in Belgium, more than 14,000 lives would be saved.’

‘In other policy debates, there is willingness to learn from international best practice, and a general curiosity about successful models abroad. English free schools, for example, were modelled on the Swedish friskolor. Healthcare is the exception to this rule. The healthcare debate remains insular and inward-looking’

‘In terms of outcomes, quality and efficiency, social health insurance systems are consistently ahead of the NHS on almost every available measure. They combine the universality of a public system with the consumer sovereignty, the pluralism, the competitiveness and the innovativeness of a market system. We do not see any one particular country’s health system as a role model, because they all have flaws and irritating aspects of their own. But there are also plenty of interesting lessons to be learned….’

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Niemietz-NHS-Interactive.pdf

I have copied this post in a letter to my MP and Sir John Redwood……..

416196 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Tim Bidie, 35, #40 of 1737 🔗

Except Tim…
Other countries are going down the same path who have much better health care systems than ours.
The British treat the NHS as a religion so it was the easiest point of propaganda for the regime to exploit.

416295 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ed Phillips, -10, #41 of 1737 🔗

No country has a “much better” health care system the UKs.
Some may do better in some ways but overall the NHS is as good as it gets.

The problem are the unrealistic expectations that people have placed on healthcare.

Too many people think they are entitled to world class medical attention just because they’ve paid their taxes. Worse still they think world class medical attention can be arranged through a giant system like the NHS run by bureaucrats.

If we want great medical attention for everyone then they probably everyone needs to start thinking about shifting spending priorities.

416330 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to stewart, 32, #42 of 1737 🔗

The NHS is as good as it gets – I beg to differ. Having multiple private health clinics/hospital in addition to a state run health service, and I do mean multiple, in that there is one or more in each town. If you are willing to pay £50 for a check up for your cat, I am sure most people would be happy to pay the same for themselves. Long term treatment supported by state care if there isn’t insurance cover, and less NI contributions for those with health insurance, plus employers take part in providing health insurance. My experience of this type of system has allowed access to doctor appointments on the same day and equally dental appointments in high standard dental clinics within 48 hours. The UK, mainly the government, in their arrogance, unfortunately still assume it is a leader in things, with its head buried in the sand whilst many previous developing countries have made up ground and left them standing.

416444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Hattie, 4, #43 of 1737 🔗

The private sector poaches the best qualified NHS staff and only treats profitable illnesses. When they have to operate on a ‘level playing field’ (ie train their own, treat all conditins, etc) then it may work out. However, given the US experience, empire building by management will win out.

417080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Ken Garoo, #44 of 1737 🔗

The best trained staff choose to leave the NHS of their own volition as they are not slaves.
Funny enough the private sector manage to train staff in every European country, Japan, Singapore Australlia etc.etc.

416367 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to stewart, 26, #45 of 1737 🔗

I regret to say that, having been cleared to travel on business by my local practice in England, I travelled to Eastern Europe, contracted pneumonia and, within 30 minutes of attending hospital in Sofia, Bulgaria, had been x-rayed, diagnosed, prescribed and supplied with the necessary antibiotics. The female doctor who looked after me was excellent.

I have an outstanding local NHS hospital but even they could not have provided that level of healthcare that quickly.

416368 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #46 of 1737 🔗

Indeed, but their outcomes in terms of overall all cause mortality are a great deal better, highlighting, in stark, inescapable, clarity, the need for root and branch reform of the NHS in this country.

416624 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #47 of 1737 🔗

The German system never went Covid only.
Dentists were closed for 2 weeks only.

416243 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 30, #48 of 1737 🔗

Lockdown has been about nothing more than protecting the NHS.” I think it has been more about protecting political, scientific and academic reputations, and the love of easy power

416263 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 15, #49 of 1737 🔗

Yes, saving face and grabbing power. Which is why the only way for this to end definitively is in the humiliation and impotence of the perpetrators. Anything less and they will do it again.

416452 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Ovis, 10, #50 of 1737 🔗

The ultimate driver has been Big Pharma looking for a way to maintain their obscene profits. What better than gutting testing requirements, mandatory government purchase of drugs, and total legal immunity?

416627 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 7, #51 of 1737 🔗

The NHS was merely the excuse. Great for a punchy slogan.
Mockdown has been about social and financial control.

416323 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #52 of 1737 🔗

As I’ve linked before. This book offers an excellent comparison of welfare states in developed countries across the world. None are perfect but so many more have far better outcomes than the NHS.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25257931-the-welfare-of-nations

416394 ▶▶ John001, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #53 of 1737 🔗

Please stop plugging insurance because the evidence doesn’t seem to support it and subsidised/regulated insurance has extra admin costs not incurred by public systems.

All other developed countries apart from the USA (chaotic, insurance) seem ahead of the UK on outcomes, especially on lifespan. Half, incl Canada, Spain, Sweden Iceland etc have govt-run systems although they’re devolved more than our monolith (except it seems for South Korea which is a bit like ours).

But most health systems have now been captured by the ‘medical-industrial complex’ … look it up, the term was invented 50 yrs ago. That will probably have a malign effect whether one is in Denmark (govt-run) or Switzerland (govt-regulated insurance). Costs will go up as outcomes improve less slowly.

416420 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John001, 4, #54 of 1737 🔗

The feminist in the room is the ever expanding population
Everyone knows this but is afraid to say it

416712 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Crystal Decanter, #55 of 1737 🔗

Don’t know why you used the word “feminist” instead of “elephant”??!! But our increasing overpopulation is indeed the elephant in the room and I say the unsayable personally – which is why on earth have people still been paid child tax allowances/etc since the Pill and legal abortion came along in the 1970s?? I can understand for the generation of children I was born into (ie the 1950s) as that was before these things came along. But why in recent years??

417037 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to ElizaP, #56 of 1737 🔗

It’s the only mechanism by which parents who stay at home with children are able to maintain National Insurance contributions during those years of not having a salaried position.

417213 ▶▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to ElizaP, #57 of 1737 🔗

Population has been steadily declining – in some regions such as Asia, plummeting for well over a decade, now.
Statistics upon request.

416852 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to John001, 1, #58 of 1737 🔗

extra admin costs not incurred by public systems’

Loving the humour.

The paper suggests a ‘Social Health Insurance’ system

SHI systems also achieve universal access to healthcare, albeit in a different way, namely through a combination of means-tested insurance premium subsidies, community rating and risk structure compensation.’

‘When it comes to providing high-quality healthcare to the poor, these systems are second to none’

Reference above

417091 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tim Bidie, #59 of 1737 🔗

Indeed, there is a reason virtually all 1st world countries operate some variation of a Social or Bismarkian Insurance model.
Other than the 2 outliers of the UK & USA of course.
You’d be lynched in most of those countries if you tried to downgrade their healthcare to an NHS.

416440 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #60 of 1737 🔗

Primary approach – remove the over-paid non-jobs. It is not the NHS’s responsibility to police the country. It should be to treat ill people as effectively as possible.

Diversity manager £56,000 Doctor £41,0000

Use purchasing power to bring Big Pharma extortion prices down to realistic level.

416197 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 28, #61 of 1737 🔗

How many millions of pounds of tax payers money are being spent on NHS adverts? From memory, a Nightingale Hospital costs about 30 million.

416258 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 42, #62 of 1737 🔗

Whoever is responsible for those NHS adverts and the agency that created them should be charged with perpetuating large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy on the British people and jailed for the rest of their lives

The damage wrought by these adverts will linger on long after this is over.

416428 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #63 of 1737 🔗

I totally agree. I have posted about them on here before.

The type and frequency of broadcast of them was the main reason TalkRadio lost me as a listener.

416526 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to dhid, 3, #64 of 1737 🔗

I agree they (the advertisements) are a PITA, but if not TalkRadio, who is there left to listen to?
Bit cross with JHB giving serious airtime to Marianna Spring today.

416806 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dhid, 2, #65 of 1737 🔗

The recent one with those “Celebs” is manipulative and repetitive as well and should be struck down by the ASA.

416465 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #66 of 1737 🔗

There should be award lists such as the Lord Haw Haw award, the Dr Mengele award, the Himmler award, the Goebbels award etc.

417673 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ken Garoo, #67 of 1737 🔗

I’d love to win a Mengy.

416299 ▶▶ FiatLux, replying to PatrickF, 21, #68 of 1737 🔗

As others have noted, the enormous volume of Government/PHE/NHS advertising is doing two things. Firstly, it is filling the coffers of all media, print and broadcast, and in many cases keeping branches of the “dead tree press” alive. Secondly, it is a comprehensive bribe to, and leverage over the media to trumpet the Government propaganda. No medium seems to be impervious to this, as witness the new woke Sunday Times and its fawning piece on o’Brien MP yesterday. I doubt that any of the airtime or advertising space is being given gratis, as a “pro bono” gesture on the part of the media.

No part of the media is untainted. In Norfolk, the Eastern Daily Press is stuffed with full and half page ads every day, as are other papers in the Archant group. Oddly, one of the current links on their web version promises an article “More than 800 patients likely to have caught Covid in Norfolk hospitals”. This, on click, has no article behind it-“Sorry, page is gone”.

Also, the County Council is placing the usual “keep safe” full page patronising ads, which presumably are funded by the council and I hope reimbursed by Government, at a time when the usual noises are being made about Council Tax increases and cuts, “because of Covid”.

In desperation, I listen to TalkRadio, but even that has a creepy voice about emergency plumbers and a third of the population being “Covid Marys”, to be shunned, and intoned every quarter-hour at the very least.

I really do hope that when taxpayer life support runs out for these excuses for independent, trustworthy media, the more egregious bootlickers go to the wall.

416435 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to FiatLux, 8, #69 of 1737 🔗

Agree, as in my reply to Bart above re TalkRadio on Gov./NHS adverts.

The only radio I have on now at home and in the car, is a regional music station (which I can easily mute in the car in a second), this now has Hampshire County Council “advice” adverts too!

We are being tortured.

416481 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to dhid, 3, #70 of 1737 🔗

radio caroline does not seem to have any cv ads

416640 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #71 of 1737 🔗

I didn’t know it was back!

Sit down. Stand up. Look at those baggy knees!

Those were the days!

416716 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #72 of 1737 🔗

Is it still around? What wavelength is it on?

417209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to ElizaP, #73 of 1737 🔗
416816 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to pub with no beer, #74 of 1737 🔗

Cheers I’ll give them a go!

417679 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FiatLux, #75 of 1737 🔗

The BBC has 2 embeds in the EDP…. wish we had the names.

416629 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to PatrickF, 3, #76 of 1737 🔗

Money is no object anymore.
The world has gone full MMT.
As someone in the US just remarked: What do they need my tax$ for, if they can print 4trillions in a few months?!

416198 TheClone, 45, #77 of 1737 🔗

Economy on its knees, NHS almost worthless, lockdowns forver, vaxx passports to enter pubs and shops – welcome to Gulag Britain!

416206 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #78 of 1737 🔗

Why are countries on a red list and not a black list?

416214 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 14, #79 of 1737 🔗

Need you ask?

416223 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Annie, 3, #80 of 1737 🔗

Lockdown’s put me in a red mood.

416260 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 5, #81 of 1737 🔗

Look out cor dangerous red ice if the weather turns cold again.

416345 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PatrickF, #82 of 1737 🔗

When seagulls follow the trawler …

416406 ▶▶ Stephen Williams, replying to PatrickF, 1, #83 of 1737 🔗

Could be a good number in Africa and need to be PC.

416207 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 12, #84 of 1737 🔗

Posted this late yesterday.

I am sure that many posters here have viewed Michael O’Bernicia’s Magna Carta 2020, but some may not understand how we were shafted when joining the EU, which is illustrated in the second of these links. More recently, we have been shafted again, with Brexit, when parliament claimed sovereignty, thus breaking our Common Law heritage through the Queen. We must consolidate our Common Law rights and demand that Magna Carta is supreme.
Antidote To COVID-1984 is Magna Carta 2020 (lbry.tv)
THE CORPUS JURIS and the Magna Carta (lbry.tv)

Common Law rights are inalienable.

416630 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Basileus, 2, #86 of 1737 🔗

It is all very interesting but there never seems to be an real progress on his case. I’m not clear from what I’ve read what he is actually prosecuting Wankcock, Witless et al for, and he keeps talking about serving papers but then nothing happens.

416751 ▶▶▶▶ houdini, replying to HelzBelz, #87 of 1737 🔗

Misconceived and going nowhere .
If any sort of case is issued and served I have no doubt it will be struck out sooner or later.

416208 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 19, #88 of 1737 🔗

I linked to this article two days ago but omitted to mention another key paragraph:

‘The research team, which is co-lead by University of Oxford Clinical Research Fellow and Edith Cowan University PhD candidate Sanjay Ramakrishnan, is preparing to look for more uses for the treatment which they believe has application for a range of diseases including many strains of the flu and even the common cold.

“We’ve never had a good treatment for the common cold, it does make people sick, especially older people, and perhaps this could be it,” Professor Nicolau said.’

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/over-the-counter-inhalers-suppress-severe-covid-symptoms-trial-finds-20210210-p5716m.html

So a cure for severe symptoms of covid 19 might also treat severe symptoms of the common cold and influenza….because those symptoms are the same…….particularly dangerous to the aged and infirm……..

But covid 19 is so much worse……

Or not really?

416212 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #89 of 1737 🔗

I understand that HCQ treatments work prophylactically with flu, so let’s not have any more totally unnecessary jabs.

416642 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #90 of 1737 🔗

Zinc, Vitamins B, C, D, Quercetin
Nebulized hydrogen peroxide
HCQ/Ivermectin
A new Thyme oil/oregano mix (Maduro Venezuela).
Plenty of prophylactic and early treatment options, the latter even for late treatment.
Dr. Mercola is a good resource for all of them.
I have never heard of him before Covid, but I now consider him and all others critical of experimental gene therapies and proposing alternatives to be far more intelligent, honest and credible than all public health officials and pharma sponsored doctors worldwide combined.

416210 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 130, #91 of 1737 🔗

Is it too controversial for Lockdown Sceptics to mention that Raab has stated that vaccine passports might be needed to enter supermarkets? Maybe it will be in tomorrow. I for one find the consideration of this horrifying. Would they really deny us access to food if we refuse the vaccine? Is this a campaign to starve us into submission?

416211 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Liberty, 48, #92 of 1737 🔗

The vaccine take-up is below expectation so Big Pharma have nudged Raab to up the ante.

416474 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Ross Hendry, 12, #93 of 1737 🔗

Private jets don’t come cheap so think of Big Pharma execs and jab up. It is your duty.

416216 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 22, #94 of 1737 🔗

Not all food comes from supermarkets.

416220 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 15, #95 of 1737 🔗

I agree, there are many other ways to get food; but if the vaccine intake is not high enough there will be a lot of people trying to get hold of the food which isn’t on supermarket shelves.

416255 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Liberty, 26, #96 of 1737 🔗

One of the things keeping me sane is a visit to the local market every week. There are a lot of people with masks but equally a lot who don’t have them. Good food and human interactions with the people who grow/make it. Far superior to the supermarket experience.

416292 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Puddleglum, 10, #97 of 1737 🔗

An open air market? Where I be the open air market was shut down with the lockdown, so there’s no cheery banter with Broghan from Noo-cas’le on Saturdays anymore.

It surprises me, if supermarkets are such dangerous spots to venture in to, how little provision is made to avoid them.

I was told I could order on line and pick up at the door. Try ordering a loaf of bread on the website in question – https://orders.booths.co.uk – see how you get on.

416916 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Puddleglum, 6, #98 of 1737 🔗

i stopped going to mine last summer because of the gestapo like guard who didnt approve of my scarf and the idea of waiting in line 6 feet apart
w as just too much besides the ridculous mask s order.

can still go to one wonderful sane farmer place where am almost the only one no mask [besides the farmer] but no fruits and vegetables there .
i miss the farrmers market but am not returning until is normal like before no mas k no 6 ft apart..an d no way im getting a vaccine of course

417411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to sam s.j., 3, #99 of 1737 🔗

Hi Sam,
I agree. There is a second market near where I am which I took one look at and fled. One way system, marshall on the entrance making sure that everyone was masked and sanitised.

TBH – a decent market is a luxury. One which is affordable and not too full of the whimsical (carved wooden ducks in boots) or extravagant is probably hard to find.

I’m predicting that tough times are coming and too that end I’m growing tomato plants, along with other veg to sell on the gate with an honesty box. Obviously, if things get too tough the honesty box will be the first off down the road but think barter system.

Bartering with courgettes in September may be a bit of a struggle…

417471 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #100 of 1737 🔗

By ‘tough times’ do you mean food shortages/ low income or restrictions for the unvaccinated?

Because I think they may even say you cannot go in your own garden. Plus, they will blame us for both the lockdowns and killing people so I hope you don’t have neighbours.

To be honest, I think this is going to end with quite a few people just killing themselves eventually. Unless this tyranny ends.

Who wants to live in a totalitarian world?

417565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #101 of 1737 🔗

Perhaps not just killing themselves.

417607 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Puddleglum, 2, #102 of 1737 🔗

hello puddleglum what a nice name, glad felt same way as me

and me too in december when was caught by very gestapo like food store manager who saw my too thin scarf[ plus had slipped down]

had decided i hate going there too even just once a month, i know ill build a greenhouse and grow my own food except that i kill everything ! and am very lazy

416381 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Annie, 2, #103 of 1737 🔗

Indeed it doesn’t: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56032185 another unintended consequence of LD that authorities will find it hard to do something about even after this ends.

417563 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #104 of 1737 🔗

Yes, but that’s not really the point.

416227 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Liberty, 37, #105 of 1737 🔗

That caused me a great deal of stress yesterday

The safety studies have not completed. I can see the risk balance tilts towards the vaccine in the elderly but this makes NO SENSE for the under 70s, unless you are extremely vulnerable. NO SENSE AT ALL.

whats even more stupid is that they are proposing a digital way of administering this nonsense. But how many 75+ year olds have a smart phone? All my elderly neighbours and relatives have HAD the vaccine but don’t have smart phones, and in my mother’s case, will never have one. She’s never yet used an ATM so she’s hardly likely to spaff hundreds of pounds on a phone & contract she will never use.

416235 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to sophie123, 16, #106 of 1737 🔗

How can you see the risk balance tilts towards the vaccine in the elderly. Research on SARS-Cov-1 stopped because the animals died and, this time, the frail have been falling like flies in care homes. What are you basing your opinion on?

416246 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Bungle, 25, #107 of 1737 🔗

Because the risk of dying with coronavirus (if you catch it) if you are say over 80 is quite high relative to numbers dying from the vaccine. And long term safety (including ADE) is less of a concern as you have less long to live anyway.
70-80 is a bit more of a grey area admittedly. There are plenty in that category who should probably make a cAreful assessment of their individual risk before taking the vaccine, but for many it will probably still make sense.

Its like RSV…14000 over 70s in the US die of RSV each year. But barely any younger adults. Who should you target your vaccine at? A number of companies are developing vaccines here but they are looking at focused protection of the elderly as all vaccines have side effects and healthcare systems, when they are being rational, will only pay for vaccines when they are needed.

The problem is that governments have developed an irrational fear of coronavirus, and what WE (LS BTL commentators I mean) risk doing is having an irrational fear of the vaccine. I don’t think these vaccines are great: side effects certainly seem high vs most other vaccines. On that basis they should be reserved for those at very high risk of dying from COVID only. But that doesn’t mean, in my view, that they may not be the right choice for some patients. More intelligence needs to go into who gets them though.

416280 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to sophie123, 23, #108 of 1737 🔗

Good post – logical arguments and thought processes. But I would add three caveats.

First, it must be remembered that even the medium-term effects of these ‘vaccines’ are as yet essentially unquantifiable, especially in already frail patients.

Second, is it advisable that anyone who has already demonstrably have covid-19 to get vaccinated? I would say not.

Third, all potential recipients of these ‘vaccines’ must have the benefits and risks clearly explained to them, in neutral terms – something along the lines you have explained here. I have no confidence that this is currently being done. Thus the people receiving these ‘vaccines’ are not giving INFORMED consent. The issues associated with that go way, way deep.

Given all this, I don’t think I could recommend that an elderly relative (say 70s and above) should take any of these ‘vaccines’.

416325 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Norman, replying to TJN, 15, #109 of 1737 🔗

However the risk of Covid is quite clear and well quantified in the elderly, whereas the risk from a vaccine is not. Evidence of long term risk from vaccinations will take some time; many of the elderly do not have the time to wait. As in all things in life, there is a balance of risks.
I read an article by the Swedish doctor Sebastian Rushworth a couple of months ago where he attempted to quantify the risks and this changed my mind over having the vaccine. It was clear from his article that the risk of Covid to me in my mid seventies, but healthy and active, was higher than that of the vaccine.

416363 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Norman, 9, #110 of 1737 🔗

Yes, it’s a difficult balance and choice.

You mention long-term risk, and how many elderly people haven’t got time to wait. But what about medium-term, say out to 3-5 years. Many will have that time, and we just don’t know about even medium-term risks.

It’s a roll of the dice, and thus down to the individual, and informed consent.

416429 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Norman, 18, #111 of 1737 🔗

That’s true Norman. My only issue is what if we did nothing? Like the vast majority of people do for the flu and cold they get every year. Governments feel they have to be seen to be doing something, hence idiotic lockdowns. The biggest problem is the data is political and not scientific. Can anybody tell me “exactly” how many people have died just because of covid? Not the three other things that were killing them just covid! How many people have had the virus? Exactly? Not the idiotic PCR test actually had symptoms and the virus. Because it makes no sense vaccinating someone who has already had the virus and is immune. That’s because all the vaccine is doing is replicating artificially that immunity.

416479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Spikedee1, 12, #112 of 1737 🔗

The whole point of the exercise is to undermine drug testing which is the largest cost for Big Pharma. They develop many drugs that pass Phase I and II but fail at Phase III (large scale testing for side effects). Throw in legal immunity and this is a dollar winner for Big Pharma. They are running out of proiftable drugs (those sold in the west) so why not manufacture reasons for increased drug use in the west – preferably mandatory?

Power grabs by politicos are just secondary.

417402 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #113 of 1737 🔗

Will you STOP saying this! Do you NOT read threads?

The government know EXACTLY what they are doing.

They are in hock to the money men.

Gates and his technocrat and banker friends, the trilateral commission.

This is a game-functioned virus released maybe as part of Operation Lockstep. It is a Going Direct reset known at Davos as the Great Reset.

It is justification too for mass experimentation of gene therapy on people including children. Whatever they learn from this experimentation will be marketed later on.

This is democide and genocide combined with the eventual view hooking people up to a social credit cloud via nanotechnologies in the vaccines. Known as Agenda 21/30.

Do you not know how to read past threads and learn something or two.

We really haven’t got much time and you repeating a narrative forgiveable six months ago is frankly disinformation, purposefully or not.

417846 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FedupofLies, -1, #114 of 1737 🔗

Hahaha. Son, your tin foil hat is slipping over your eyes. At the weekend do you go out with a sandwich board with YOU ARE ALL DOOMED!! written on it. I did read the post thanks and I Don’t need a fucking jacked up wanker like you SHOUTING YOUR BULLSHIT opinions. I have learned enough to know that you are talking constant bollocks about the great reset. My life, get over yourself. Whatever happens anything we do here with have zero impact. We are just keeping each other sane and giving each other an echo chamber. If Bill Gates is doing something, what are you going to do? Tell me what? Absolutely fuck all.

417593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Norman, 3, #115 of 1737 🔗

It was clear from his article that the risk of Covid to me in my mid seventies, but healthy and active, was higher than that of the vaccine.

You are taking Dr Rushworth’s opinion as fact, when it is no more than supposition. The risk to a genuinely healthy mid seventies person of dying from Covid is extremely low and little different to that of a younger person. The risks from an experimental and unlicensed vaccine are unquantified and will be with you until you die.

418009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to TJN, #116 of 1737 🔗

I agree with all your caveats.
Except that in the overweight, multiple mobility elderly population I think the vaccine makes sense on a risk/benefit calculation.
Very few others though.

416346 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to sophie123, 23, #117 of 1737 🔗

I don’t think it is irrational not to wish to participate in a drug trial, which basically this is – Pfizer third phase not due until 2023. With no studies on long term effects yet alone the interactions with other drugs, I will certainly not be taking it, but for others it is their choice. Frankly, even if it was trialled properly, as with the flu vaccine, I would still prefer to rely on my robust immune system.

417646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hattie, #118 of 1737 🔗

I can’t agree with you your opening sentence and the rest of your post says why. For me, those opting for any of these unlicensed vaccines are reacting to the endless propaganda and their actions are from rational. The other likely explanation is that they are nothing more than paid trolls from 77th Brigade or some or some other similar outfit of professional liars.

416994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to sophie123, 18, #119 of 1737 🔗

I think a personal risk assessment of whether to take the vaccine for an older person (or a younger one for that matter) should go something like this:

  • what are my chance of catching COVID? Probably slim, if you believe that it’s probably run its course
  • If I catch it, what are my chances of dying from it? Probably miniscule unless you are really old and / or have health issues. Even then, you’re probably not long for this world anyway
  • If I did die, how many years of life would it cost me? Not many if I’m old. Young folk almost certainly won’t die of it so the question is moot there
  • What are the potential risks of the vaccine? Depends what you believe but do your research. Quite possibly death, risk of death if you later catch COVID, immediate side effects such as convulsions or long term issue, compromised immune system for the rest of your life
  • How long would I have to live with the potential side effects? Maybe not long if you’re old, but possibly many years if you’re young. However even a few years with potentially disastrous health impairment could ruin the end of your life and your family’s

The point for me is that if you might never catch COVID, and even if you do, you will probably recover. But if you have the vaccine, and it turns out that there are major long term side effects, you are stuck with it forever.

I’m against all lockdown measures but I don’t actively disobey the current rules. I do wear a mask (I pull a buff thing over my mouth) when I’m out, for instance. It could be argued that I’m contributing to the problem by not actively fighting against it, but I get enough abuse by just voicing my opinions as it is. However, when it comes to a vaccine I will never take it, even if they stop me from travelling. Never ever. If you know the potential vaccine risks and realise that COVID itself is not really deadly, IMO you’d be crazy to have an untested gene therapy injected into you. Especially if you believe that there is some sort of not-so-hidden agenda around the New World Order

417660 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sceptic in SA, #120 of 1737 🔗

Your views on the current crop of hardly tested and highly experimental are very reasoned and mirror my own. Though I can’t go along with your views on masks and other senseless restrictions, Covid rules are bad rules and should be ignored at all times. Compliance will only lead to further illogical and arbitrary restrictions from the highly corrupt Johnson government.

417576 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bungle, #121 of 1737 🔗

There are no facts to back up sophie 123’s opinion, but she’s entitled to her view, no matter how misguided.

416761 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to sophie123, 8, #123 of 1737 🔗

Precisely – and it’s not just the 70’s and upwards without smartphones. I’m in my 60’s and frankly don’t see the slightest need to have one. I’ve got a home computer – so any time I want to look something up I do so there. What on earth use would I have for a smartphone then? I’ve got a dead basic old-style mobile phone that I carry round on me in this remote area just-in-case (ie as a portable phone box in effect). That’s that.

417462 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, 1, #124 of 1737 🔗

I sometimes wonder if Gates et al are RIGHT to do what they do. They clearly hold the mass in CONTEMPT and so, increasingly, do I.

Maybe we do need a good cull by way of experimental vaccine, anyway. I mean, it is hard to respect muggles. Democidal thoughts.

417569 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sophie123, #125 of 1737 🔗

The first part of your second paragraph is based on what?

418017 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Rowan, #126 of 1737 🔗

The 70-80 age range? We know that risk of death here is exacerbated by factors like obesity and other co-morbidities.
If you are a very unhealthy 70-80 year old (but not quite on your deathbed, hoping to eke out another few years), then the vaccine could make sense.

If you are slim and active and healthy, then take your chances with COVID. Unless a much safer vaccine is developed. These ones seem pretty crappy and would likely not get approved under normal circumstances except for a very high risk cohort.

416252 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Liberty, 29, #127 of 1737 🔗

With all this vaccine hysteria there is little mention of the effective duration of the vaccine? My Yellow International Vaccine card shows my Yellow fever vaccination which is accepted as being effective for many years but I understood these dodgy covid potions have a limited duration, which raises the question of dates and re-vaccination. How long will a covid jab passport last before it needs to be re-done?
Also, all this passport talk presupposes that the admin and IT can cope with doing this? Initially vaccinations records were being stored on the pharmacy IT system for transfer to the NHS system I am not sure how well that is going?
The talk at the moment presupposes that this is an NHS monopoly but they will need to consider people who were vaccinated in other countries and also possibly people who get vaccinated privately if that subsequently becomes possible. If I turn up with a Nigerian or Russian vaccine ticket will they issue me with a UK vaccine cert?

Personally I think they are ramping this up ready for the G7 meeting in Cornwall in June, they want to present the UK as a vaccinated covid free example to the rest of the world and they will then carry this through to the Climate Change conference which the UK is hosting later this year.

416265 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #128 of 1737 🔗

Presumably no G7 stooges are coming from Africa or South America.Or Portugal.

416294 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #129 of 1737 🔗

I think we can be certain that maintenance vaccines will be required to keep an up to date passport. They will be at least yearly and more often if new strains are found. There was once a time when I thought that nothing could be done about massive global problems, now I understand that there was just no motivation. With the control this vaccine can bring, along with its financial benefits to the pharmaceutical companies and big businesses, the motivation is obvious, and it has nothing to do with our health.

416365 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #130 of 1737 🔗

Should we even be referring to this as a vaccine, as by definition it isn’t- did they not say it merely reduced symptoms – experimental drug would probably be more appropriate. Am I detecting a worrying change in stance on this site, as it seems more people are losing their critical/objective view on the vaccines and passports. Remember this has always been about vaccines, right back in April last year, the whole narrative has been that the only solution is a vaccine and then all the COI with SAGE, and so on. The so called vaccine isn’t for our benefit, but is making a shed load of money for certain individuals, as with PPE, PCR tests and so on. Should the view be more towards the real purpose of the vaccines, now Blair is openly pushing his vaccine passports, and thus the push for population control. As with everything, it will not stop with the vaccine passports.

416973 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hattie, 3, #131 of 1737 🔗

Thanks Hattie, spot on!

416499 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Steve Martindale, #132 of 1737 🔗

I am not sure that the drugs on offer are actually vaccines in any logical, consistent sense of the word. I would like to see a proper medico-legal assessment of these drugs aimed at rapidly mutating viruses. Conventional vaccines are effective against non-mutating (or very slowly mutating) pathogens. In the current situation, my view is that ‘vaccine’ has been used because of its association with ‘warm, cuddly, goodness to which no one could object’ to pre-empt concerns about the method of drug development/delivery.

416262 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liberty, 25, #133 of 1737 🔗

I suspect this is to scare more people into taking the vaccine as its reported that the number of people taking it up has stalled.

416278 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #134 of 1737 🔗

I am afraid the regime will do this in the end. Money is being spent on developing the vaccine passport. At the same time, international travel for the little people is being permanently ended. So how are whichever crony capitalists are developing the vaccine passport to get the full ROI they expected? The answer is a universal application.

416480 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #135 of 1737 🔗

Great point. I think most people think, if granny is now safe, why do I need a jab? Of course all the mumsnet crowd will be screaming about the risk to them from children even though there is no proof of this. My wife only wants it so she can “get her life back”. Its hard to argue against that logic, if that is the price to be allowed to travel freely and to be accepted into society. I find the whole thing absolutely abhorrent. The fact that you can make me a non person, invisible, and a person without rights in my own country. Below illegal immigrants who you have jabbed. I fucking hate this country.

416828 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #136 of 1737 🔗

Agree and I won’t be surprised if that’s what the vast majority think now. However there are still a bunch of people who will want everyone to be vaccinated even if its not needed. They should read up on why the swine flu vaccine has been taken off the market and if they want to live with side effects for the rest of their lives.

416289 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Liberty, 1, #137 of 1737 🔗

yes

416291 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Liberty, 30, #138 of 1737 🔗

I understand your concern. However, I must admit when I read about this outrageous statement it did make me laugh out loud. For many people, the only opportunity they have to obtain food is through visiting supermarkets and similar. So the strategy now is “take the vaxx or die, you b@st**ds!!!”. Really? I take it from this, they are either desperate to encourage a higher uptake of the vaccine, or just continuing with their general fear campaign against those who they see as dissidents who haven’t fallen for their mind control tactics yet.

416304 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Van Allen, 21, #139 of 1737 🔗

I think the outcry would be enormous. We haven’t yet seen the vaccine take up in the younger age groups, which is likely to be much lower. The government have some way to go if enough people are going to accept the vaccine in order to justify such a scheme. They will have to ramp up the fear for younger people if they want them to comply. Fear of death seems to be a very effective way to control the masses.

416611 ▶▶▶ Keencook, replying to Van Allen, 6, #140 of 1737 🔗

I have been on a call/meeting this morning about whether or not the community farm I am involved with should state who has had the vaccine (we’ve been offered it to those that volunteer). I was adamant that under no condition should this be public knowledge as at the moment it is not compulsory. Then the discussion turned to setting one against another if people ask – “you’ve not had it so you can’t come near me” & we were then sent by one of the group a BBC (FFS) article on ‘why vaccinated people may still be able to spread covid 19’. It’s not the law yet but if the people on the call were able to vote, it should be. THIS. IS. MADNESS. If – as I think is going to happen – we can only travel with a vaccine certificate – the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is a ‘more’ traditional vaccine and if I really do have to have one, I’m going to hold out for that.

416772 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Keencook, 9, #141 of 1737 🔗

You are correct that it’s absolutely not on that vax status be public knowledge – as there would be people that would go in for vax discrimination (apartheid in effect). I know that if I were involved in any group that let other people have that confidential information (which I’m sure would be against Data Protection Act) I’d darn soon throw a solicitor at them if I found myself getting bullied for not having had it. Do hold out against ANY vaccine – it’s your body and that means it’s your choice. Stand strong.

417023 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Keencook, 3, #142 of 1737 🔗

i agree dont get any . you are right is total madness stay alert good luck !

416337 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Liberty, 8, #143 of 1737 🔗

I’m not worried about a vaccine passport as all the governments have failed in handling this from the beginning. The can’t organise getting two doses of the vaccine out to people on time so instead go against the manufacturers recommend doses and give two doses of different vaccines and they couldn’t get the track and trace system running correctly so I can’t see them being able to organise vaccine passports. That requires more than one organisation to work together. Pity help everyone if our government is left to organise that. We’ll all starve.

416455 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Just about sane, 14, #144 of 1737 🔗

Plenty of opportunities to slip through the cracks
never forget the Government and by extension the NHS is incompetent
Tell your GP you have already had the stab then complain when your records aren’t updated

416484 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #145 of 1737 🔗

My god, we are now East Germany.

417294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Spikedee1, #146 of 1737 🔗

See Peter Hitchens latest on this

417293 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Just about sane, 1, #147 of 1737 🔗

Piss up in a brewery

416374 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Liberty, 8, #148 of 1737 🔗

Like I said yesterday: What the fuck has domestic policy got to do with the Foreign Secretary?

416446 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Liberty, 15, #149 of 1737 🔗

So has he run this idea past Tesco’s et al? Is Bob the security guard going to have a passport style desk where he will scan your “papers please” what about those people with natural immunity because the have had the disease? Do they get a special star to sew on their jackets? What about kids? Surely we are not stupid enough to jab those with zero risk? What?……

416471 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #150 of 1737 🔗

“Do they get a special star to sew on their jackets?”

The triangle was the usual symbol identifying groups of prisoners. It was a red triangle for political prisoners, which is more appropriate.

416737 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #151 of 1737 🔗

Not just prisoners. Certain types of foreign worker – essentially slave labour – had to wear badges sewn on their clothes to make sure people realised they were not German. Poles had to wear a badge with “P”, Russians and Ukrainians one with OST (“East”) although I think some Ukrainians were allowed a blue and yellow one with the Ukrainian national symbol.

416957 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Spikedee1, #152 of 1737 🔗

They will be armed mercenaries.

416562 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Liberty, 4, #153 of 1737 🔗

It was one of the links mentioned in the “round up”. I agree that the editing is all wrong and this should have been the first item at the top of the page today.

416778 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to mattghg, 2, #154 of 1737 🔗

Absolutely so – with knobs on!!! Should have been first – by a long way…

416648 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Liberty, 11, #155 of 1737 🔗

In their wet dreams, yes. Unfortunately for them, we still have a few Human Rights…at the moment. Again see this as a more “Nudging,” a bit more fear-mongering propaganda, a bit more coercion, a bit more bullying – more proof, if any more was ever needed, that we are being dictated to by psychopaths. It also tells me they’re desperate because there’s lot of beans at stake here!

416723 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Liberty, 12, #156 of 1737 🔗

My best guess is it’s fear tactics. They are trying to deal with those of us that have decided not to have The Vax – by scaring us we might not be allowed in supermarkets etc – since they can’t scare us with the Boogyman Virus. In the event – supermarkets themselves wouldn’t be very happy about that – as they’d be likely to have food riots or the like by people breaking into supermarkets to just take what they require, rather than paying for it in the normal way. If ever I spot such an occurrence ever – I shall do 3 Wise Monkeys (hear no evil/see no evil/speak no evil) – or join in….

416758 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Liberty, 6, #157 of 1737 🔗

The other thing of note is that it’s today the BBC has chosen (by sheer coincidence – yeah right…..) to put out a programme later on this evening entitled “Vaccines – the disinformation war”. So, to me, this looks like a pincer attack on us – from one direction they are threatening to cut off our supplies and, from the other direction, they are rubbishing us (one doesn’t have to watch that programme to know that’s exactly what they will be up to on it). It’s basically war tactics.

417389 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Liberty, 5, #158 of 1737 🔗

A lot of people just can’t get their ahead around the fact that their government would happily kill them.

The police would happily beat their brains out.

The judges only care about their careers.

That the machinery of fascism is coming down on us all.

417671 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #159 of 1737 🔗

It’s a big ask for many and cognitive dissonance will always be too high a hurdle for some of them. Like the rest of us though, they will still go down with the sinking depopulation ship, while remaining absolutely clueless to the bitter end.

416215 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #160 of 1737 🔗

Fresh from Marianna Spring.

Covid-19: How did a volunteer panel react when we showed them an anti-vax video?
By Marianna Spring
Specialist disinformation reporter, BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/blogs-trending-56047409

Motivation for the article appears to be a propaganda piece because mRNA injection uptake is lower than she and the BBC want. Yes joyrnalist ‘want’ there to be a good up take of mRNA.

The writing style is epically wooden and lifeless.

416247 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 10, #161 of 1737 🔗

That the BBC has such a unit is disgraceful in itself

416287 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Basics, 8, #162 of 1737 🔗

who the fuck is Marianna Spring and why are we supposed to be interested in her drivellings?

416309 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #163 of 1737 🔗

Good question. I believe those are questions she asks her self in quieter moments. She has quite a life ahead of her coming to terms with what she is.

416482 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JaneHarry, #164 of 1737 🔗

Here she is in all her lovelyness.

416528 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #165 of 1737 🔗

we are interested in the same way that a kid would be interested in a dead fox they have found by the canal which they then poke with a stick.
She is the BBC fact checker .
Officially the Specialist disinformation reporter, Which i think means that she reports disinformation. Although that is what they all do at the BBC isnt it.
But she seems to have the ability and nouse of an 11 year old

417298 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to mj, 1, #166 of 1737 🔗

They are all about 12 with as much nouse as an empty sack of shite.

416569 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #167 of 1737 🔗

Some 24-year-old who *somehow* got to be the BBC’s “specialist disinformation reporter”. There’s a lot of speculation going round that she’s really a security services plant.

416735 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to mattghg, 3, #168 of 1737 🔗

“There’s a lot of speculation going round that she’s really a security services plant.”

How does that distinguish her from all the ‘frontline’ BBC ‘information warfare fighters’?

416311 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Basics, 6, #169 of 1737 🔗

“Over the course of 27 minutes, the Ask the Experts video relentlessly introduces 33 people, many brandishing their credentials, often sitting in what look like medical consultation rooms. They confidently and calmly repeat similar messages…” So 33, mostly medical professionals have come to similar conclusions but the junior journalist continues”… although many of the claims are misleading or just plain untrue.” Why would anyone listen to the journalist?

416340 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Van Allen, 3, #170 of 1737 🔗

There’s that number 33 again! But that’s just conspiratorial thinking on my part.

416419 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to GuyRich, 2, #171 of 1737 🔗

Indeed!

416502 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to GuyRich, 4, #172 of 1737 🔗

33 was on the building where whitty stood outside in his shirt to get called a liar by a young man, and same number on the microphone when a nurse collapsed after her dose. all just coincidence I am sure!!

416418 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Van Allen, 1, #173 of 1737 🔗

33 yes 3 3

416436 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 2, #174 of 1737 🔗

It’s for panorama this evening.
She should check her article for mis information.No one knows the medium to long term effects of this ‘vaccine’.That is undeniable fact.

416742 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #175 of 1737 🔗

Paranoiarama surely?

416217 danny, replying to danny, 50, #176 of 1737 🔗

Not usually one for conspiracy theories but….
Just over one year ago, political populism was running wild. Donald Trump was in the White House, a socialist was running the UK opposition, Brexit was according to the leader of the Conservatives party, proudly going to “fuck business”. Even France had a nominally “alternative” president taken not from the two main parties.
Fast forward to today. Thanks to the most invasive and all encompassing propaganda campaign since Goebbles, the people are back in their houses, quite literally. A vaccine miracle cure was announced just days after Trump lost. The political mainstreams of both left and right hold sway.
Pharmaceutical companies stand to make trillions from rolling vaccines. Internet giants now own a broken high street.
And most crucially, we are all grateful to the leaders of our world who have delivered us from a virus which, if taken over a ten or twenty year period, would be quite hard to spot in terms of mortality rates.
As I say, conspiracy theories rarely hold together, but opportunism is another matter.

416224 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to danny, 17, #177 of 1737 🔗

Revelation 18:21-24

21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore. 22 The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore. No craftsman of any craft shall be found in you anymore, and the sound of a millstone shall not be heard in you anymore. 23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

The word sorcery there is pharmakeia in the Greek – the root word of the modern word pharmacy etc.

416270 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to this is my username, 4, #178 of 1737 🔗

At the rate we are going, bring the rapture on I say.

416411 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to stewart, 2, #179 of 1737 🔗

As a Christian I do wonder if these are the end times. I guess the simple question might be are we ready for such times and are we ready to meet our Maker.

416783 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Puddleglum59, 4, #180 of 1737 🔗

I’m not a Christian – but I wonder whether this is “our turn” for the high jump. That being I’m 99% convinced there’s been at least one “highly advanced technologically literate” civilisation on Earth before now and they clearly did a pretty comprehensive job of destroying themselves and I think we’re now in the Crunch Time – where we see whether we are going to go the same way or “learn and move on”. I’m afraid I’m not optimistic personally, as it does feel like the lunatics are running the asylum. I hope I’m proved wrong.

417263 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Puddleglum59, #181 of 1737 🔗

Do you mean masker?

417309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Puddleglum59, #182 of 1737 🔗

Check out the Hindu Kali Yuga, not to mention the good old Norse Ragnarok, all leading to 2025 ..30

417275 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to this is my username, #183 of 1737 🔗

Steve and Dave discuss the beasts of Revelation here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/5AgJVU6U5gaU/

416493 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to danny, 3, #184 of 1737 🔗

And Tech giants control free speech. Stick to the narrative or be removed. There is one correct point of view on politics and only one way to end the virus and the vaccine can only be described as one of the modern wonders of the world. All hail the jab!! The jab will free us!!

417438 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to danny, #185 of 1737 🔗

Where is Doland Turnip when you most need him? Out with some Swede,I’ll be bound, or possibly she will.

416218 Basics, replying to Basics, 57, #186 of 1737 🔗

Guardian-

“Vaccine hesitancy in some health workers in England ‘may undermine rollout’

“Vaccination rates lowest among BAME staff, under-30s and those in the most deprived areas, analysis finds”

“..doctors had the lowest rate of vaccination, at only 57%”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/14/vaccine-rollout-caution-some-health-workers-england

Why would that be. Notice the Guardian doest have the grit to label Doctors and nurses ‘vaccine deniers’.

416221 ▶▶ danny, replying to Basics, 38, #187 of 1737 🔗

This is very uncomfortable for the guardian types. Poor people and ethnic minorities against vaccines?
But we are doing all this for you don’t you know?
That is why we virtue signal. We don’t wear a mask because we are scared, oh no. It’s for the great unwashed masses.

416521 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to danny, 13, #188 of 1737 🔗

It is delicious isn’t it? Reminds me of when some Muslim parents started objecting to teaching kids about trans issues in primary schools. You just know that if it had been Christian parents Owen Jones et al would have been all over it like a long Covid rash.

416549 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Laura Suckling, 8, #189 of 1737 🔗

yes – the “Owen Jones dilemma”.
A gay person is abused by a muslim because homosexuality is haram . eventually young Owens’s brain will explode trying to resolve this in a politically correct way

416222 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Basics, 45, #190 of 1737 🔗

Even a little good news is welcome.

Why don’t the 43% of doctors collectively tell the world of their reservations?

416237 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PastImperfect, 18, #191 of 1737 🔗

Why don’t the say…. a fine point. I didn’t make myself because I am sick of saying NHS employees for the most part are spineless wretches. They have the power to end this crime yet are feeble in the face of their oath and duty.

416281 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to PastImperfect, 17, #192 of 1737 🔗

because they’re self-serving cowards and charlatans, that’s why, and enablers of genocide. shame on them. well, they won’t escape, like the rest of us, they may avoid the vaccine, but they won’t avoid the gulag and the bullet to the head

417539 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to JaneHarry, #193 of 1737 🔗

I don ‘t think they are cowards at all – I think they are LOVING the worship and adulation and want it to continue for as long as possible

416473 ▶▶▶ LenaD, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #194 of 1737 🔗

I do. But I have to ba careful.

416789 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #195 of 1737 🔗

It’s down to the fact the vast majority of people are pretty weak and spineless imo. Personally, I’ve learnt to stand up for myself and what I believe to be right – but I am not at all convinced that most people operate on a basis of “See Truth, say Truth” I’m afraid. I wish I were wrong on that…

416238 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Basics, 24, #196 of 1737 🔗

If this vaccine was needed by everyone, the doctors would know. These figures tell us that many doctors think Covid is nowhere near as bad as the media says. The Guardian should just say that. We might buy it if they did.

417313 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Liberty, #197 of 1737 🔗

Its too expensive!

416266 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 16, #198 of 1737 🔗

Come on, Grauniad, out with it. Black people are wicked vaccine deniers and they all ought to be jailed, yay.

416422 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 8, #199 of 1737 🔗

The next few months should be fun as 2 belief systems clash in their heads.
They will need a stronger dose of doublethink.

416512 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #200 of 1737 🔗

Or the new, mmmmm! What place frightens people? The Greek mutation. No not scary enough. How about the China mutation, nah we already did that. I got it, the Barbary mutation. Yes link with pirates and nobody has a fucking clue where it is!

The Barbary mutation is here and real Lock up your daughters (genius!!) The streets are not safe, only our brave nhs guardians can save you with our jab!!

416617 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #201 of 1737 🔗

Not a place, a person, the mutant Piffle variant will do it, spreads like the black death and kills with a unique combination of faux concern and pig ignorance.

416469 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, 3, #202 of 1737 🔗

“Rules for Radicals”
Hold your opponents to their own standards

416267 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Basics, 5, #203 of 1737 🔗

Someone who was actually not racist, as opposed to someone concerned with signalling their virtue, would not go on and on and on generalising about the behaviour of a certain ethnic group with respect to vaccines.

416268 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Basics, 13, #204 of 1737 🔗

Thanks for posting that. It’s super encouraging. The report itself for those who can’t face the Guardian article can be downloaded here

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.11.21251548v2

The report admits that ‘Most who will accept vaccination have already done so ‘ so the 35.5% overall unvaccinated percentage isn’t going to be far off the final number.

416386 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Basics, 4, #205 of 1737 🔗

And here’s a table of the experimental vaccine uptake based on the report

416491 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 4, #206 of 1737 🔗

I think I just heard some Guardian readers and other normies blowing brain fuses earlier on, when I was leaning out the window, it’s so quiet here in our carbon neutral traffic free community, even the birds are behaving themselves and not tweeting, mindfull of those who are living with covid, its like the sound of snap crackle and pop, if you listen carefully enough.

All around…..

416225 Hrothgar1722, replying to Hrothgar1722, 5, #207 of 1737 🔗

A few other points about Seychelles:

(1) They’ve now vaccinated 45k of their population, against a target of 70k.

(2) Only 3 people have died with Covid – despite their very low healthcare capacity.

(3) Around half of their reported cases are down to international travellers or caught within quarantine. (A few Jumbos carrying 300 pax each day has a big effect on their population stats)

(4) There’s an indoor + outdoor mask mandate – despite the 95% humidity. Heaven knows what that infection rate might otherwise have looked like… 50k per day? 100k per day? Did Neil Ferguson do a model for them?

416230 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Hrothgar1722, 2, #208 of 1737 🔗

You think that masks helped?

416249 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hrothgar1722, 3, #209 of 1737 🔗

This post is incoherent. If they put ‘with covid’ on the death cert, then certainly nobody died of covid. Reported cases mean nothing. Infection rate? Well,you didn’t tell us what you thought it was, but that would also have been meaningless. If everyone has the virus and no-one is sick, that is the best possible situation to be in.

416226 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 44, #210 of 1737 🔗

Just received …

416233 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to PastImperfect, 49, #211 of 1737 🔗

I am not mad.

For anyone planning on living more than 5 years post vaccination, I recommend you wait a few years to see if ADE is a risk before taking any vaccine for coronaviruses. You risk turning what is very likely to be a mild illness at worst, to something potentially life threatening.

That is my assessment of the situation: I consider it highly rational because unlike most people in this country, I have not succumbed to an irrational fear of the virus and am able to make assessments based on statistical evidence rather than emotional responses.

416274 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to sophie123, 49, #212 of 1737 🔗

I’m not afraid of ‘the virus’ at all – there is no virus, there are just usual colds and flu. I am VERY afraid of this injection which the regime is so desperate for us all to have, which I believe is a genocide.

416301 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to sophie123, 22, #213 of 1737 🔗

Me neither.
I’m mad in the way Peter Finch was mad in The Network , and that scene pops into my mind a bit these days:
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’
I will be declining the vaccine when offered although if people want to take it then that’s up to them.
However I disapprove strongly about what seems like a push to get children vaccinated. I believe AstraZeneca/Oxford are preparing to test the vaccine on young children.
I can understand why. It must irk Pharmaceutical companies no end that a large group of the population, for whom the virus is virtually no threat at all, have thus far escaped their clutches.
Who in their right mind would even consider vaccinating children for this?

416503 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Alex B, 6, #214 of 1737 🔗

how many children under the age of 16 died of covids last year? About 7. three of them were new borns or premature and the others had serious health issues.

I didn’t fact check this number it might be 14 or it might be 4. What ever it is it’s a freeking tiny number.

Such a scam. Still at least there will be less people in the world, in the next twenty years. Which is I am sure the whole point of it.

417548 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Alex B, #215 of 1737 🔗

Couldn’t agree more re the plan to test the vax on innocent children – will the littlies aged 6 or thereabouts be able to give anything even remotely close to informed consent to that? will their parents consent for them? I was HORRIFIED when I saw that – is there no end to the evil of these companies?? but then you are missing out on a WHOLE stream of revenue if you don’t test it on children as well – why would you want to miss out on all those lovely profits. And, after all, it is being “tested” on everyone who currently receives it, quite literally as they are forming part of the overall dataset on the vaccinations.

I think the time has long been overdue when people get off their devices and instead get on their feet and defy the restrictions and start to protest against all of this. Start being vocal in a public place. What can the police do? they can’t arrest everyone or police everyone.

417325 ▶▶ Woden, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #216 of 1737 🔗

This was Dr. Sucharit Bhakdis response when asked if he would take it…

416228 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #217 of 1737 🔗

Posted last night – thorough, clear and concise article, one to share.
__

Is it all a lie? – Stay at Home > Protect the NHS > 100K Deaths – An analysis of ONS and NHS data

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/06/protect-nhs-100k-deaths/

But what would you do if you found out you had given up a year of your life due to a big fat lie? What would you do if you found out you’ve been staying at home to protect an NHS that has been at an all time low capacity compared to the last five years? What would you do if you found out there haven’t actually been 100,000 deaths due to Covid-19 but instead a campaign of fear that has manipulated data to trick you into thinking there have been thousands of Covid deaths per day?

Well ‘The Daily Expose’ investigated, and we suggest you fasten your seat-belts because this is what we found…

416231 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basics, 3, #218 of 1737 🔗

There has been a steady stream of these solid articles from Daily Expose in the last few days.

416240 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basileus, 1, #219 of 1737 🔗

True, there are links to some of the other gteat articles at the foot of the article above. Worth exploring.

416495 ▶▶ Cat Woman, replying to Basics, 3, #220 of 1737 🔗

Fantastic Article. Thank You!

Will try to persuade my husband to read it today, before he goes ahead and books his Experimental Vaccine appointment 😪

416234 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 18, #221 of 1737 🔗

COVID-19: First guests from high-risk countries due to check into quarantine hotels today
http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-first-guests-from-high-risk-countries-due-to-check-into-quarantine-hotels-today-12218607

I love the use of the term ”guests”. What a way to treat a “guest” – imprison them for two weeks at their own expense!

416245 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Margaret, 5, #222 of 1737 🔗

Unproven Lepers, prisoners, inmates, meat hooked pounds of flesh providers, yes guests is the wrong term.

416256 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Margaret, 10, #223 of 1737 🔗

The guests at Auschwitz, the guests at Dachau…

416318 ▶▶ Elenesse, replying to Margaret, 9, #224 of 1737 🔗

Even actual prisoners are not required to pay for their own imprisonment!

416392 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Elenesse, 5, #225 of 1737 🔗

I forget what tyranny it was that used to charge prisoners families,for the bullet that killed them

416946 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Elenesse, 2, #226 of 1737 🔗

In the past they sometimes were in England, if they did not pay their conditions were worse and friends or relatives were not allowed to bring them food or clothes. The money expected by the gaoler was called “garnish”.

416335 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Margaret, 2, #227 of 1737 🔗

warm smell of colitis …

416379 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Margaret, 1, #228 of 1737 🔗

Wasn’t ‘guests’ a term used by Saddam for his hostages.

416940 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Margaret, 1, #229 of 1737 🔗

Even POWs are not usually expected to pay for their own accommodation.

416239 PastImperfect, 22, #230 of 1737 🔗

Creative.

416241 Julian, replying to Julian, 25, #231 of 1737 🔗

“The Telegraph highlights the prospect that Grandparents will allowed to hug their grandchildren.”

FOR FUCK’S SAKE

All of us who post here know that “hugging” has NEVER been prohibited, but imagine people hovering on the border of scepticism coming here for the first time reading this shit

And the use of the word “allowed” without any comment around it just makes my blood boil

At this stage I think we’d be better off without the daily update, just pick a “best of” anti lockdown articles, videos, graphs and links to other sites and maybe have a tiny section for “news”

416244 ▶▶ alw, replying to Julian, 2, #232 of 1737 🔗

Most of the comments on this article in the DT derisory.

416271 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Julian, #233 of 1737 🔗

Well said.

416327 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 6, #234 of 1737 🔗

Or get someone to offer Jonathan Barr the job at the Daily Telegraph he so obviously craves. His updates are consistently woeful.

416518 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to jb12, 2, #235 of 1737 🔗

Yes he is a vax loving dick. When I see its him I go straight to btl.

416242 alw, replying to alw, 3, #236 of 1737 🔗

I have always been sceptical about how they draw up red list countries. So many of the countries on the list have a lower case rates than the UK. Feel there little understanding where some of these places are and their populations etc. It seems it has been very much like pinning the tail on the donkey or in the case of the Nigerian borders, drawn up by a diplomats’s wife on the tablecloth after a dinner party. Yes that’s true. So many boundaries drawn up in the past with a little understanding!

416251 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to alw, 6, #237 of 1737 🔗

That Red List looks racist to me. Just saying…..

416269 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to alw, 1, #238 of 1737 🔗

I expect they just threw darts at a map of the world. this is the level of thoughtful analysis we’ve come to expect of them.

416250 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 35, #239 of 1737 🔗

So now the idiots at SAGE are ‘modelling’ a summer spike for the…..flu. In. the. Summer. Really. Last summer more people died of choking than Rona. We need to start a petition and movement to defund and jail, SAGE.

416537 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FerdIII, 10, #240 of 1737 🔗

So why would you need modelling when you have actual data from last summer? And secondly every single one of your models has been 10 times the actual numbers of deaths so why are they even listening to you? If every day the weather forecast said it was going to rain and we ended up with heavy snow after a couple of days they would be called out and change demanded because of the chaos this would cause. But these fucking idiots keep on bringing out incorrect data and the arsehats in the msm just publish it unchallenged?

416253 stewart, replying to stewart, 52, #241 of 1737 🔗

Another day, another article about the mystery of the falling “cases” in a country with no lockdowns.

Jesus, every single infectious disease in the history of infectious diseases has naturally spread and then subsided. Every single one. Naturally.

And yet we carry on pretending to. be mystified when this coronavirus does exactly the same thing?

Perhaps the human species deserves all the misery it gets for its wilful stupidity.

416261 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to stewart, 3, #242 of 1737 🔗

👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
bravo!

416308 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to stewart, 7, #243 of 1737 🔗

I wonder if Ferguson will ever even consider putting seasonality in his model?

416540 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 2, #244 of 1737 🔗

Or even better putting his head in Noose.

416602 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #245 of 1737 🔗

Only way is to dangle a noose over Al Johnson’s ringpiece

416254 Julian, replying to Julian, 9, #246 of 1737 🔗

It’s horribly ironic that the government and other bodies who say they are so keen on these vaccines have, with a combination of bad intention and incompetence, distorted the way information on covid “cases” and “deaths” is gathered and presented so badly that any meaningful analysis of the efficacy is impossible

Almost as if they don’t really care

416272 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 1, #247 of 1737 🔗

… as if …
Pantsdown gives them all the numbers they need.
Right out of a part if his body that is conveniently accessible.

416277 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 2, #248 of 1737 🔗

Where are the dead from the vaxx’s in any analysis? Or those injured.

Never see an article ATL on this.

416286 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FerdIII, 2, #249 of 1737 🔗

Indeed true, but I think it’s even worse that the govt couldn’t produce a plausible case for the vaccine having done any good, because any potential good is hidden in the mess that is PCR testing and misattribution of deaths

416259 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #250 of 1737 🔗

Talk in papers today about UK, Austrailian and Canadian armed forces to perhaps combine into one of the worlds largest armed forces. To fight who? The Roman empire draughted different nationalities to police foreign regions of their empire.

Might UK be policed by Canadian peace keepers, etc.? Or are we really going to see war with China Eurasia after the old bat soup heated tensions in globalist skulls.

Silly communist Michie in her behavioural science paper wrote that convid is tge gravest threat to humanity since WW2. How transparently stupid can one ‘expert’ be?

416275 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basics, 2, #251 of 1737 🔗

We have always been at war with East Asia.

The main threats today: 1-Communism (internal, Global institutions, Financial groups) and 2-Muslim Jihad both internal and external. 3-China, though it is difficult to see how bought for stooges like Bidentard, Justina Turdope or Bozo would fight China on anything. The Chinese could yacht over to Taiwan and subdue it and there would not be a reaction nor fake news mention.

Many of our enemies are within. We apparently love to import them.

The Canadian military does not exist. There are more officers in the Canada Revenue Agency. I doubt the Cdns could take a firehall in Detroit. Ergo useless alliance. And what is NATO all about me asks?

416574 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to FerdIII, 2, #252 of 1737 🔗

Many of our enemies are within. We apparently love to import them .”

The crime of mass immigration.

In the runup to the explosion of violent islamist resistance to US power and interference in their societies, we imported muslims in sufficient numbers that we had the material for a significant internal security problem, requiring police state measures including state control of speech and education.

In the runup to a potential long term direct confrontation with China over its rise to challenge US power globally, we are importing Chinese people in sufficient numbers to create such an internal security problem again for the future.

It’s almost as though these people are clever enough to plan decades ahead to justify their police state measures.

416578 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #253 of 1737 🔗

[I don’t believe that’s the case, by the way. The people pushing mass immigration are the same as they’ve always been – leftists for ideological motives, in unholy alliance with big business for cheap labour and undercutting of indigenous labour power. At most there might be the odd security apparatchik noting the usefulness of these processes and removing obstacles here and there.]

416421 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Basics, 3, #254 of 1737 🔗

To fight who? – The French of course! That’s what we do. 🙂

416544 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basics, 1, #255 of 1737 🔗

And Michie would know this because? She is not a scientist.

416575 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Basics, 3, #256 of 1737 🔗

She isn’t stupid; she’s evil.

416264 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 3, #257 of 1737 🔗

Marx got the idea of the dialectic from Hegel. Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis and the synthesis becomes the new thesis and the process begins anew. For Marx, the thesis was the capitalist system and the antithesis was the people. The synthesis was to be a decent, people-led society which he called communism. What’s interesting today is that the capitalist thesis has met itself as the antithesis and the synthesis is neoliberalism. The people appear nowhere in this analysis and, as it goes on, the rich will continue to clash with each other while the people fall off the planet’s edge. Karl would certainly have a lot to write about, were he alive today. I wonder if he would consider LS bloggers to be the true antithesis?

416302 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Bungle, #258 of 1737 🔗

“I wonder if he would consider LS bloggers to be the true antithesis?”

Nope, to much neolib.

416329 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bungle, #259 of 1737 🔗

How many people have been lifted out of poverty by communism? Where did C-19 come from?

416380 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #260 of 1737 🔗

Do you mean President Xi’s definition or Karl Marx’s? Later in life, after Marx had read many things attributed to him, he wrote “It is clear that, whatever I may be, I am most certainly not a Marxist!”

416388 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #261 of 1737 🔗

How many people have been lifted out of poverty by communism?

None, obviously, because “communism” is a rather silly fantasy.

On the other hand, many, many millions have been executed or killed by attempts to achieve communism.

416996 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, 2, #262 of 1737 🔗

How many people have been impoverished by capitalism?

417014 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, #263 of 1737 🔗

You’d have to define capitalism. Unlike communism it isn’t really an ideology whose adherents can brainwash others, it’s more just the situation (for good or ill) that arises naturally when property rights are respected.

416273 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #264 of 1737 🔗

Aside from their injudicious use of the word “cases”, this isn’t a bad summary page:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covid-19-bulletin-for-mps/

This is worth reading in full: https://www.hartgroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/HART-Mutants-and-Borders.pdf

“Our Response HART Scientific Advisors believe that closing international borders will not stop new mutations of the SARS-CoV-2 virus circulating in the UK population. It is a futile endeavour with no scientific basis. Mutant variants, emerging overseas or domestically, are an inevitable biological reality once a virus is in the population.”

416282 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 6, #265 of 1737 🔗

One of the replies to their posting on Twitter gives an interesting insight into how a lot of people form their opinions:

The fact that people who support them retweet Ivor tells you all you need to know really.”

I presume it’s a reference to Ivor Cummins, who the Tweeter presumably thinks and know others will think is “beyond the pale”. So there’s an overlap between Cummins “followers” and Hartgroup followers means that everything Hartgroup say can be disregarded without further argument or examination, for ever more. Taken to its logical conclusion you’d never listen to any argument from anyone about anything because you’ll always be able to find a connection between that person and some who is Literally Hitler

416288 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Julian, 2, #266 of 1737 🔗

Yes indeed. Hitler was a vegetarian. Who would argue that that fatally discredits vegetarianism??

416390 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Alethea, #267 of 1737 🔗

*hand up*

Me. I would. Every vegetarian I have ever met has been utterly insufferable.

416432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to AidanR, #268 of 1737 🔗

Like vegans, militant eejits brainwashed by eating tofu.

416487 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Alethea, -1, #269 of 1737 🔗

Every vegan would happily feed you into the grinder if they thought it would protect Mother Gaia

416279 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 23, #270 of 1737 🔗

Just referencing the Guardian article in the links ATL about Nepal. Got an Uber on Saturday (went to my Mum’s, one of my brothers and sister went over too. Had a drunken sleepover. We are all adults in our 30’s, 40’s and 50’s but extremely immature).

The driver was Nepalese. We had a long chat about the low death figures in Nepal – he said the country was poor, the health system was shit and therefore there were no really old people to speak of. So it’s not really rocket science is it.

416283 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Still Got It, 15, #271 of 1737 🔗

Also, they’re wirey and fit, and have genes that enable to deal with altitude and thus low oxygen levels.

416320 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TJN, 3, #272 of 1737 🔗

Like this chap who found being a Gurkha and in SBS not quite exciting enough. Took the time to rescue other climbers who had been left for dead at altitude while breaking climbing records. https://www.forces.net/services/gurkhas/aim-high-gurkha-wants-break-mountaneering-record

416354 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #273 of 1737 🔗

Yep, amazing chap. To see the Nepalese carriers with their loads on the mountain trails is to understand straight away how fit they are, and why covid is unlikely to bother them.

416389 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to TJN, 2, #274 of 1737 🔗

Was it mentioned last year by an American doctor that the most serious Covid 19 symptoms were like altitude sickness?

416414 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to rose, 2, #275 of 1737 🔗

Indeed it was – which made me think that people or races used to or comfortable with working at altitude may well be naturally resistant to the worst effects of covid.

416358 ▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to TJN, 3, #276 of 1737 🔗

I’m in an area with high rates of Covid and a huge Nepalese population. Would be interesting to see if rates were low within their community. Most of them seem to be working in supermarkets or the test centres so it’s not like they’ve shut themselves off from the rest of us unclean people.

416417 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TreeHugger, 1, #277 of 1737 🔗

There is probably some interesting insights to be had here – if anyone could get hold of the data to dig it out.

416290 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Still Got It, 5, #278 of 1737 🔗

I wonder if our ‘100k deaths’ are just ‘100k people saved over recent years by the flu jab’ and that we just built up a load of dry tinder. 2020 death rates were the highest since 2008 and were higher every year previously

416315 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Still Got It, 3, #279 of 1737 🔗

Quite a lot of wiry oldie Gurkha veterans worthy of support. https://www.gwt.org.uk/

416494 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #281 of 1737 🔗

Get your Polish mink here – doubles up as a handy duster!

416555 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #282 of 1737 🔗

And nothing whatsoever to do with the Polish kickback to the government measures. God these people are so fucking predictable.

416285 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 23, #283 of 1737 🔗

The effect of face masks on CO2 concentrations.

https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-20-07-covid-0403.pdf

The use of face masks is among the measures taken to prevent person-to-person transmission of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) responsible for the coronavirus disease (COVID-19). Lately, concern was expressed about the possibility that carbon dioxide could build up in the mask over time, causing medical issues related to the respiratory system. In this study, the carbon dioxide concentration in the breathing zone was measured while wearing a surgical mask, a KN95 and a cloth mask. For the surgical mask, the concentration was determined under different conditions (office work, slow walking, and fast walking). Measurements were made using a modified indoor air quality meter equipped with a nondispersive infrared (NDIR) CO2 sensor. Detected carbon dioxide concentrations ranged from 2150 ± 192 to 2875 ± 323 ppm. The concentrations of carbon dioxide while not wearing a face mask varied from 500–900 ppm. (my emphasis), Doing office work and standing still on the treadmill each resulted in carbon dioxide concentrations of around 2200 ppm. A small increase could be observed when walking at a speed of 3 km h–1 (leisurely walking pace). Walking at a speed of 5 km h–1 , which corresponds to medium activity with breathing through the mouth, resulted in an average carbon dioxide concentration of 2875 ppm. No differences were observed among the three types of face masks tested. According to the literature, these concentrations have no toxicological effect. However, concentrations in the detected range can cause undesirable symptoms, such as fatigue, headache, and loss of concentration. Keywords: Face masks, Carbon dioxide, SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19

416334 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Basileus, -12, #284 of 1737 🔗

What is this and why have you posted it?

416351 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bungle, 17, #285 of 1737 🔗

It is a research paper on the effect of mask wearing on the level of CO2 in inhaled air. I have posted it because it supports the argument against mask wearing by underlining one of the consequential harms.

416510 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Basileus, 5, #286 of 1737 🔗

And very useful , not least because it has over 20 other references which will lead to further literature . Not all the references agree with the abstract above , but that is the nature of scientific debate . I can understand that some people are angry that the subject is raised , but most of us here will appreciate this
information .

416293 Basileus, 10, #287 of 1737 🔗

What is bad for rabbits is probably bad for humans.

https://bakerstreetrising.home.blog/2021/02/15/covax-through-the-looking-glass-part-4/

In an experiment in 2017, New Zealand white rabbits were inoculated with a zoonotic coronavirus – MERS-Cov. The rabbits became sick and developed antibodies, the measure of success for a vaccine. With most viral illnesses, once you recover, you won’t contract the illness again. However, the antibodies developed by these rabbits were a different sort to those that normally block infection – known as neutralizing anti-bodies. These antibodies were what is known as non-neutralizing or binding antibodies. When the rabbits encountered the MERS a second time, the binding antibodies actually facilitated the entry of the virus into the cells and they became even more severely ill than previously .

As the authors noted : “In fact, reinfection resulted in enhanced pulmonary inflammation, without an associated increase in viral RNA titers,(I think this means ‘concentration’ – Basileus)”

416296 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 26, #288 of 1737 🔗

Civil Service Entry Examination 2021

Question One

If having vaccinated 15million people the government discovered that the vaccine was a risk to health should the government

a. Immediately stop the vaccinations and announce the reason why

b. Immediately stop the vaccinations but invent a fictitious reason why

c. Cover it up and continue vaccinating

Please explain your predication including models

416300 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 2, #289 of 1737 🔗

blame the pharma companies for not being transparent with data, blame the MHRA for rushing it through

416339 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cecil B, 5, #290 of 1737 🔗

d. Carry on as planned

416395 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cecil B, 7, #291 of 1737 🔗

c. The primary purpose of the Civil Service is to protect the “State”. Whilst the general public thinks that this means that the Civil Service is looking out for their interests, the “State” is an entity with its own interests, primarily looking after those who uphold its existence.

Covering up the issue and gaslighting anyone who claims there is a problem is required as otherwise, the possibility of lawsuits against the “State” will arise and this may impact on the ability of the “State” to pay higher salaries/expenses and pensions to those directly employed by it.

Answer submitted by former public servant, also the son and grandson of career civil servants.

416424 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #292 of 1737 🔗

You can start Monday

416488 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 4, #293 of 1737 🔗

they’ll do ‘c’ because they’re psychopathic genocidal maniacs (and anyway, that’s their plan)

416303 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 12, #294 of 1737 🔗

My calculations show the lockdowns will cause the premature death of 30 million children under 5 years old in developing countries over 10 years

I’d love to be proved wrong, but the government can’t because they never did a cost/benefit analysis. They can’t even say lockdowns won’t kill more in the UK than just ‘letting it rip’ (ie following a pandemic plan and WHO recommendations)

416336 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 1, #295 of 1737 🔗

I don’t think you’re wrong given that there was a UN report that put the figures of people from developing countries sliding back into extreme poverty as high as 70-80% (if I’m wrong I stand corrected).

Of course as a collateral too will be the increase in infant mortality deaths as well as more women dying from childbirth.

416356 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #296 of 1737 🔗

There is plenty from the World Food Programme, UN, WHO on the horrors we are going to witness. 30 years of international development wiped out in 6 months. 30 years ago things were a lot worse

416500 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 3, #297 of 1737 🔗

Read about officials from countries like Kenya bemoaning that any gains they’ve made over the last few years being wiped out. Even in somewhere like Italy, the Mafia are making a resurgence, cancelling out any success that the authorities have had in neutralising them.

416305 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 23, #298 of 1737 🔗

I am getting very tired…
LS has been a great platform but it is preaching to the converted.
I think most of us on this platform agree that lockdowns are not the right way of dealing with this virus (Sweden is proving it has a much better way) and we all want our liberties and right of self determination back.
So what to do?
I have been writing to MP’s, posted on some social media, talking to people, all in a very measured way.
I cannot understand why any intelligent person does not understand the very low risk this virus poses for the non-vulnerable?
So what to do?
The way we are going we won’t achieve what we want- no lockdowns and freedom.
I don’t have an answer but would be interested in hearing peoples opinion on the best way forward.
It do we just keep chipping away?

416307 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to MFvH, 21, #299 of 1737 🔗

We need to go about with our lives like before. Get out there and live! Choose life!

416353 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to norwegian, 9, #300 of 1737 🔗

Exactly! Plus resist the tyranny in our own way.

416385 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to norwegian, 32, #301 of 1737 🔗

My life before involved pubs and restaurants 3/4 times a week, the gym or swimming 3 times a week, a game of bandminton and a round of golf. Sunday mass then the football, motor racing or cinema. To say nothing of a hassle-free trip to the dentists, opticians, vets, library, barbers etc

Tell me, how does one go about ‘living this life like before’?

416600 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to AidanR, 5, #302 of 1737 🔗

Great post. I have been saying from the start that it depends on the life you were leading before all this started. I used to go out doing lots of varied things like you, and my life now is basically a walk with a friend on a Friday, and cycle somewhere for some hassle free food shopping when needed. If you are younger and on the working treadmill, and looking after your children, then perhaps life has not changed so much, but nevertheless we have all lost the little and joyful moments which we have created. Getting out in nature and exercising at home too is helping me at present, but I still have the dark cloud hanging over my sunny disposition.

416906 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to pub with no beer, 2, #303 of 1737 🔗

Agreed. My parents (early 80s) don’t find lockdown a whole lot different from their “normal” lives. My 24-year-old has never been to a restaurant or a movie with her boyfriend of 6 months, can’t see her friends, and is a student teacher who has to wear a mask all day when she’s doing her classroom placements. She can’t be normal. My younger daughter has become a gaming streamer and is making a stupid amount of money for sitting in her apartment and is oblivious to what is going on. Her entire life is online — not great from my perspective, but she has certainly adapted to the “new normal.” My husband and I fall somewhere in between.

416314 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to MFvH, 24, #304 of 1737 🔗

Be realistic. It’s a cult. They will go to their graves believing

Anything you do will have a limited effect on Covidians

Yes carry on, but do not exhaust yourself trying to convince people who will not be convinced

Eventually all cults destroy themselves

Sit back and enjoy the ride in the certain knowledge of what the end will be

416360 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 9, #305 of 1737 🔗

There are many who are not covidians, just apathetic or think things will be OK

They can be convinced

416321 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to MFvH, 17, #306 of 1737 🔗

I think there are several strategies:

  • Yes, we just ‘keep chipping away’. Twitter, Facebook, MPs etc.
  • We push the boundaries whenever we can.
  • Support those who are on our side – eg UK Column.
  • Set up local Zoom groups for support, outreach and encouragement.
  • Never give up, never give up, never give up’ – Winston Churchill.
  • …….

Please add your own ideas.

416341 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basileus, 12, #307 of 1737 🔗

Laugh at them

416376 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Basileus, 2, #308 of 1737 🔗

Zoom no.

417097 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nottingham69, #309 of 1737 🔗

Telegram.

416332 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to MFvH, 16, #310 of 1737 🔗

Keep chipping away at the people you are still allowed to speak to. I am actually making progress now, even against those who proved highly susceptible to MSM propaganda.
If someone comes to your door (delivery etc) make sure that they realise you are a sceptic – most effectively by ridiculing the new normal, and the stupid rules that they are having to follow. The herd needs to turn, they just need to see that there is another herd for them to join, led by the people who actually have a fucking brain.

416333 ▶▶ Apache, replying to MFvH, 15, #311 of 1737 🔗

I carefully choose a zealot over at The Times and ask innocent questions such as what has been achieved so far or what evidence did you use to decide to take the vaccine? There is the usual covidiot comments but every now and again someone engages and it is easy to demonstrate with evidence that they have no argument. Does it change anybody’s mind? I don’t know but it never pays to be in an echo chamber all the time.

416400 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to MFvH, 9, #312 of 1737 🔗

I don’t see any way out of it. a civil war? but we have no armies, tanks or guns. mass civil disobedience? yes, it would work, but it aint gonna happen – too many sheep and collaborators, not enough working for the resistance. I would suggest if you can, leave the country, [yes, I know, it’s global, but there are many countries way back from the front line – at least you get to play for time] – otherwise, it’s just sit back and wait to be murdered by the regime, I’m afraid

416558 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MFvH, 8, #313 of 1737 🔗

Keep chipping away. There are lots of people now doing this, the foundations of covid bollocks are getting very thin and wobbly.
Just wait for two more weeks!

416988 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Two-Six, 3, #314 of 1737 🔗

I think obedience to the diktat is fraying – Brits being Brits, you tend not to get overt rebellion but Covid fear is declining and how many variants can they trot out without it becoming old hat and arousing scepticism?

416653 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to MFvH, 4, #315 of 1737 🔗

Listen to The Real Podcast latest episode with the psychologist.
She suggests to live life as normal as we can, and show it to other people, but not force it on them, as they have been brainwashed and need to come to their sense by themselves.
I know it is tiring, it has been going on for so long, but this will take time.
Look at countries which came out of dictatorships, you will always have the ones still supporting the regime, the ones who were opposition trying to build new, which takes time, and the ones who went along.
I have witnessed the Germanys coming together, I would say the East is just recently integrated and has caught up. The divide between ordinary people was huge, and especially people from the West up until at least 5 years ago would still treat the East differently.

416887 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Silke David, 1, #316 of 1737 🔗

Is ‘Ostalgia’ still a thing over there?

416991 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AidanR, #317 of 1737 🔗

From my observations, yes.

416306 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #318 of 1737 🔗

BBC

‘government sanctioned hotels’

Brilliant, now they do not even try to hide their communist leanings

416310 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cecil B, -5, #319 of 1737 🔗

Communism?! Bollocks!

416319 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to norwegian, 18, #320 of 1737 🔗

Ok, other forms of totalitarianism are available

416331 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, #321 of 1737 🔗

Sanctioned. The word is used as authoritarian club-hammer rather than for clarity. Used to describe the wholesale renting of hotels inorder to lock up free people is a vague stretching of tge meaning of the word.

This is a propaganda fingerprint of the clumsy unskilled, talentless drek that haunts the corridors* of the BBC in 2021.

* Now actually inspirational surroundings of home working with the perpetual feedback loop of daytime tv for company in the background.

417041 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basics, 1, #322 of 1737 🔗

Hitchens claimed on Talk Radio yesterday that he has less freedom of movement now than an East German pensioner had before the Wall came down.

416370 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cecil B, 1, #323 of 1737 🔗

Just none that has killed anything like as many millions of people.

416313 Basileus, 7, #325 of 1737 🔗

More on mask harm.

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-124394/v2

Corona children studies “Co-Ki”: First results of a Germany-wide registry on mouth and nose covering (mask) in children

416316 AN other lockdown sceptic, 12, #326 of 1737 🔗

Good morning fellow amazing Sceptics

Extract below from The Spectator article linked above. Amongst many other things, it says so much about how un-conservative Hancock and the current government is. What a bloody mess.

“But now Blair is back in the Westminster game, advising Hancock and trying to get his ID cards back in through the back door. Hancock is of a generation of former Tory advisers who worshipped Blair, and will doubtless be all too happy to work with the Blair Foundation (now bizarrely focused on vaccine IDs) to think of all kinds of ways to get the idea past No10.”

416317 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #327 of 1737 🔗

A new power to enter your home and examine your kitchen cupboards on it’s way

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56032185

416410 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cecil B, 4, #328 of 1737 🔗

Worries about pop-up side-hussle businesses will evaporate as fast as their customer base once furlough ends and unemployment skyrockets.

416416 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #329 of 1737 🔗

pop-up side-hussle businesses

I’d like to give you five upticks for that alone

416322 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 24, #330 of 1737 🔗

With thanks to The Filthy Engineer

416344 ▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, 5, #331 of 1737 🔗

Yes, indeed. It would be good to see that everywhere. Except they’re not actors, and their suffering is real.

416352 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to TJN, 11, #332 of 1737 🔗

I wanted to put an image of NHS nurses doing tik-tok dance videos next to it. To show the mindless glibness of societies’ response to a mild infection and the horrors being perpetrated by our reaction to it. But I actually find it quite upsetting.

I sent a similar image to a lockdowner friend of mine last night. I got ‘on that note I’ll say goodnight’

416453 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, 10, #333 of 1737 🔗

If there’s a Judaea Christian God up there, Heaven only knows what retribution he has in store for our society for what we’ve done to the Developing World. Whatever it is, I hope he leaves me and the rest of us who’ve drawn attention to this tragedy out of it.

Black Lives Matter … what a sick, hypocritical, cowardly society we are.

416697 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to steve_w, 4, #334 of 1737 🔗

“Look them in the eyes and ask how dare they dance when people in their care are dying”

417049 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DomW, #335 of 1737 🔗

Remember in Catch-22 the soldier totally encased in bandages. The nurses casually chatter and laugh while changing his fluid drip. After they go, Yossarian screams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHxI12VVgRg

416328 Brett_McS, 10, #336 of 1737 🔗

The real Gina Carano news – no offense to the excellent Babylon Bee – is that she has been hired by a conservative news/opinion site, The Daily Wire, to produce and star in a new movie. Now *that* is the way forward out of cancel culture!

416357 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #338 of 1737 🔗

Steve Baker is full of shit. Even if there’d been a full debate with back and forth and stats and legal arguments, liberty arguments and a cost/benefit analysis, in a free vote I reckon ~90% of MPs would still have voted for this shitstorm.

Quite apart from anything else, the very language ‘public health act’ begs the question of whether ‘public health’ should even be a thing.

416391 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to AidanR, 1, #339 of 1737 🔗

Beggars mustn’t be choosers. We need to get behind this group.

416396 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #340 of 1737 🔗

Help yourself by all means. I’m not interested in following this self-serving bullshitter anywhere.

416454 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 7, #342 of 1737 🔗

90% of MPs would still have voted for this shitstorm

Indeed. Where is there a party that would champion:

small government
low taxation, controlled borrowing
reluctance to embrace radical gambles with society, whether justified by panic or by ideology
opposition to collectivised healthcare and the implication that the government is responsible, rather than individuals, for health outcomes and the behaviours that contribute to them
priority to protecting small businesses and the mittelstand over big corporations

There is no political party with representation in Parliament that would honestly pursue those goals.

That would be a conservative, centre-right politics, which essentially no longer exists in organised form in this country, and has not for some time now.

416342 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #343 of 1737 🔗

While ministers talk up the success of the vaccine campaign, things like this are happening.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-covid-vaccine-centre-capable-23475514

Scots covid vaccine centre capable of delivering 2000 daily jabs closes doors just weeks after opening

According to an insider only 250 people turned up on Monday and the centre was closed the following day.
An insider who has worked at a number of vaccination centres, including Ravenscraig, said the situation was an “absolute shambles” with soldiers sent away as they had nothing to do while NHS staff sat around idle.
The source said: “We were all told that one of the largest mass vaccination centres at Ravenscraig sports centre in Motherwell will be closed. This is because the appointments aren’t being filled.
“On Sunday there were over 750 vaccinations. On Monday there were less than 250 vaccinations. This vaccination centre is huge and is set up to do more than 2000 vaccination each day.

416350 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basileus, 13, #344 of 1737 🔗

Yes same here, we are 63 and received four phone calls in 24 hours offering us the jab. I think they got the message in the end

416564 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basileus, 2, #345 of 1737 🔗

hahahahahaha
bastards.

416347 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #346 of 1737 🔗

I’ve had the nod that the new variant is rum and raison.

Anyone else heard this?

416349 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Cecil B, 4, #347 of 1737 🔗

I heard it was raspberry ripple

416384 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #348 of 1737 🔗

Don’t be daft that’s an ice cream

(Government dis information I suspect)

416439 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Cecil B, 7, #349 of 1737 🔗

Ice cream is banned now, didn’t you hear?
Apparently if you serve it to children they can show signs of happiness and may even hug a loved one in thanks. Can you imagine?

So I think Ganjan21 is right.

416403 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cecil B, 8, #350 of 1737 🔗

Pistachio or pisstakio?

417381 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Cecil B, #351 of 1737 🔗

There is a variant found on the moon by a Chinese Moon probe

416348 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 18, #352 of 1737 🔗

A great deal of what is being written about covid 19 has been overtaken by events:

‘I think we’ve shown that anyone who presents with COVID symptoms should be given a steroid inhaler.”

The research team, which is co-lead by University of Oxford Clinical Research Fellow and Edith Cowan University PhD candidate Sanjay Ramakrishnan, is preparing to look for more uses for the treatment which they believe has application for a range of diseases including many strains of the flu and even the common cold.

“We’ve never had a good treatment for the common cold, it does make people sick, especially older people, and perhaps this could be it,” Professor Nicolau said.

“These pandemics are now coming every five years or so, and this treatment should work for the next one, because hyper-inflammation is not particular to COVID, it happens with all respiratory infections .”

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/over-the-counter-inhalers-suppress-severe-covid-symptoms-trial-finds-20210210-p5716m.html

Healthy adults will no longer die from hyper-inflammation, the cause of death from covid 19 or any other common cold coronavirus, common cold virus; influenza.

The disabled and elderly will no longer die from hyper-inflammation caused by covid 19 or any other common cold coronavirus, common cold virus; influenza, though they are, of course, still vulnerable to any underlying serious health conditions that they may have.

There must be some politicians of sufficient stature to eyeball the PM and his health secretary and simply say three words, loudly, if necessary:

‘IT IS OVER…….’

417084 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #353 of 1737 🔗

I see it eroding slowly – I cannot see people, especially politicians, facing up to the possibility indeed the likelihood that they have been implementing tragic BS. So conversions on the road to Damascus – no.

416355 PWL, 3, #354 of 1737 🔗
416382 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #356 of 1737 🔗

YUP – whole big herd of elephants tooting their cavalry bugles and comin’ over that hill

416399 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to vargas99, 4, #357 of 1737 🔗

Whilst out walking about 3 weeks ago I got into conversation with a chap who turned out to be regional manager of a national pubco. They are haemorrhaging between 30million and 40million pounds per month; reserves 120 million. Nationally, they have about 12 (!) staff not furloughed, out of thousands. “Go figure”.

416616 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #358 of 1737 🔗

The CEO of a large pub co lives in my village. Not for much longer though, they have just had to sell the house and the Aston Martin.

416361 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 20, #359 of 1737 🔗

I wonder what would happen if:

Instead of stopping individuals not wearing a face mask ftom entering a store and demading proof of exemption, storekeepers printed off several hundred of the government exemption “passes”. These could be left at the store entrance with an invitation to take one “if you are more comfortable not wearing a face mask”.

After all, if these are freely available to anybody to print out anyway, all they would do is raise awareness of people’s ability to have a choice according to the letter of the law.

416369 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #360 of 1737 🔗

I think that’s a good idea and also bring home closer the point that actually these masks have absolutely nothing to do with health.

416467 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #361 of 1737 🔗

“masks have absolutely nothing to do with health.

Only to deprive you of oxygen, to increase your carbon dioxide and to make you re-inhale your pathogen load.

416584 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #362 of 1737 🔗

yes, they’re part of the genocide agenda

416387 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #363 of 1737 🔗

Good idea, would be cheaper than masks and reusable too – an environmental uptick.

Could also get rid of the muzzle Nazis too and save a bit more!

416412 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #364 of 1737 🔗

Why don’t people know this? When you are stopped or asked, you tell them that, if they ask you twice, it contravenes the 1997 Harassment Act and they are committing a criminal offence.Tesco, Ilkley are back to their bad ways but I am on their case!!! But you’re right when you say stores should be helping customers with invites not to wear masks but, no way do we need passes. Simply, they commit a criminal offence if they ask you twice!!!

416430 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bungle, 2, #365 of 1737 🔗

All very well, but your method requires others to support that view, ie the police and the courts. That isn’t going to happen, so it is a pointless arguement.

My own suggestion was to quietly encourage people to act for themselveswithin the letter of the law, and make their own choices without conflicting others.

The majority, once having a taste of shopping again free of face masks, and given a get out of jail free card, would not go back.

416433 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #366 of 1737 🔗

Wearing a badge of any kind to “justify” or “excuse” behaving rationally is legitimising the literally stupid and evil coerced masking regime.

It basically accepts that some kind of disability is required to not be compelled to wear a badge of submission to the mob, to be “permitted” to exercise fundamental liberty and to take adult responsibility for your own behaviour.

416450 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Mark, 10, #367 of 1737 🔗

Maybe, but I, like many others, wear a lanyard because I cannot see the point of replacing the stress of wearing a facemask with the stress of constant arguments about why I am not wearing a facemask.

Most will argue that they don’t want to wear one but have to, so why shouldn’t others, completely unaware that they have just declared that they have the same right to exempt themselves .

The more that are encouraged to exempt themselves, the quicker the whole thing dies.

416485 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #368 of 1737 🔗

I understand the position of people who cannot face the stress involved in resisting more openly. We all must do what we can.

But the fact remains that wearing a badge of any kind means acceding to the position inherent in them – that only disability justifies refusing the masks.

The more that are encouraged to exempt themselves, the quicker the whole thing dies .”

Not wearing a mask is the most important thing. But not wearing it and refusing to wear a badge of permission to do so is by far the stronger statement. Best would be to refuse even to declare yourself exempt when challenged, but that would be the road of full passive resistance and is beyond most of us in practice.

416514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Mark, 5, #369 of 1737 🔗

It might be a far stronger statement, but how many would be willing to that brave in the face of the sort of intimidation that the public have been presented with over the past eight months. Confrontation is not in most peoples nature, particularly where the police are involved.

416542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #370 of 1737 🔗

Not wearing a badge is a better compromise position imo than wearing the badge that implicitly accepts their position.

But as I wrote, we all must do what we can. What is vital is to be opposed.

416571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Mark, 1, #371 of 1737 🔗

Where did I mention badges in my original post? I was actually suggesting a supply of cards that can sit in wallets.

“Have you got a face mask”?
“No I’m exempt.”
“Got proof of that?”
Pulls out wallet and flashes government issued card.

416587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richy_m_99, #372 of 1737 🔗

I interpreted your reference to “ government exemption “passes ” as meaning lanyards.

416572 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Mark, 7, #373 of 1737 🔗

I agreed with your point about legitimising the regime when masks first became compulsory in July.

Since then, I have changed my viewpoint. I wear a badge, whilst my OH has a lanyard. It has resulted in many interesting conversations with people, asking us where we obtained them. It gave us the opportunity to point them to the government website as well as throwing out a few facts.

Had we not been wearing badge or lanyard, these opportunities to educate people would probably not have come about. We may simply have been regarded as cranks and people would not have approached us. I like to think that we have been responsible for a number of people declaring themselves exempt.

416589 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Margaret, #374 of 1737 🔗

Maybe, but what it does is leave those of us who refuse to wear the permission badge still more isolated and exposed.

416509 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #375 of 1737 🔗

Good idea except if lots of people did it, government would very likely then change the rules so you have to get a full medical exemption. To be honest, i’ve been quite glad that the masses are happy with their masks as it means i can go without simply because i find them stressful.

416560 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to maggie may, 3, #376 of 1737 🔗

There was a reason why the law was written that way. You cannot get a medical exemption. To do so woulld have led to challenges on the grounds of descrimination against those with mental health issues such as traumatic stress sufferers.

416362 BeBopRockSteady, 5, #377 of 1737 🔗

” In particular, scientists are hopeful that T cells — a group of immune cells that can target and destroy virus-infected cells — could provide some immunity to COVID-19, even if antibodies become less effective at fighting the disease.”

Breaking News people. Yes, this is the start of an article linked in the round up today which came from Nature. And I knew instantly where this was headed.

They are working on vaccines which can boost t cell immunity. All roads lead to vaccines. And more vaccines, and double vaccines, and bonus vaccines, and…well you get the picture.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00367-7

416364 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #378 of 1737 🔗

In a podcast with John Waters, to be released later this week, (only one mention of Toby being ‘cucked’ – a record!), James Delingpole has been crunching numbers from the ONS age standardised mortality rate website. He used 1942 -2020

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12735annualdeathsandmortalityrates1938to2020provisional/2020annualprovisionaladhoc.xls

Turns out 2020 wasn’t good. The worst in fact since 2008, when …… I can’t remember what, happened, and then EVERY YEAR further back. In those 78 years, 2020 was the 12th best year for mortality. Or lack of it, rather.

You can’t fuck with those figures Wancock.

416377 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #379 of 1737 🔗

Oh yes he can, you just watch him

416498 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, 1, #380 of 1737 🔗

I was just about to post exactly the same comment.

Look at this statement that is the first sentence in the document proposing relaxation of MHRA regulation for vaccines :

COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history …”

416405 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #381 of 1737 🔗

He’ll just think of himself as a hero, he can now save lives

416366 Bart Simpson, 24, #382 of 1737 🔗

Despite the freezing temperatures over the weekend, I’ve noticed that hasn’t deterred people from going out. Overhearing snippets of conversation was also fascinating.

Two women I overheard on Saturday were talking about looming redundancies in their workplace. Judging from their appearance they looked well off and possibly work for a firm in the City or in the media and worked from home.

Whilst I felt sorry for both women, I couldn’t help but think that this is what we in LS have been saying for months, redundancies and unemployment are cutting through those working while Covid is on the retreat. And even WFH won’t save them.

When will the government address this and acknowledge that lockdown has led to the needless destruction of jobs, businesses and the economy?

P.S. Have seen a few people wearing double muzzles in the open air. Jesus wept.

416371 PWL, 2, #383 of 1737 🔗

And whatever you do, Lockdown Sceptics, don’t feel guilty that some people were maimed and died by vaccine injury so that you don’t have to wear a mask at the supermarket. To make you feel better, your City of London-military intelligence amalgam government will be organising a remembrance service, with NHS staff in medals marching past a post-modern sculpture optimistically called a monument, and you can all join in with Rule Britannia, because you absolutely deserve to be able to sing about not being slaves.

In The Land Of The Stupid And Frightened, The Go-Along To Get-Along Invertebrate Is Hero

416372 Cecil B, 3, #384 of 1737 🔗

Lying combined with incompetence is a heady mix

They appear to be in the process of destroying the paramilitary wing of the Covidian forces with monkey gunk

416375 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 35, #385 of 1737 🔗

Hi Everyone.

Thanks for your messages last night.

An update:

My old man’s doing OK. I’ve spoken to him on the phone this morning. Seems he had a blood clot that moved to an artery.

Probably began in the morning. After which he went and bought a huge sack of potatoes from a Fenland farm shop, drank 2 cans of Guinness and had Sunday roast with my Mum. (typical)

This is important. His main reason for concealing his chest pain and discomfort was because he was worried about contracting CV in hospital.

Regardless of your views on LD, if you think it’s the WEF, 5G or a fucking ‘Reset’ PLEASE tell your family members to go to hospital in a situation where they normally would do – don’t put it off because the government have scared the shit out of them.

After I insisited he call the hospital an Ambulance turned up, he went grey on the living room floor and nearly died.

He was very lucky the people who work on the ground in the NHS not only rushed him to hospital, but they were there waiting for him when he arrived at 6pm on Sunday evening. Fitted a stent and got him out of the woods – ready to evaluate on going treatment.

Thankfully I’d already recorded the next podcast episode, so it will be out tomorrow.

Stay safe.

416404 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #386 of 1737 🔗

Glad your dad is ok! Good news that he was seen quickly.

416408 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #387 of 1737 🔗

Really pleased to hear your dad got good care and he’s out of the woods, Lord R. Pretty sure my father would do exactly what yours did, for the same reasons. What a scandalous state of affairs.

416409 ▶▶ TJN, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #388 of 1737 🔗

Some good news this morning at last. I hope he keeps up the Guinness.

416423 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #389 of 1737 🔗

Great to hear your dad is OK.

416378 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 29, #390 of 1737 🔗

Saturday husband and I took a drive for fuel and a fish supper. Our Saturday evening night out now. All illegal of course. We ventured to the beach to sit in the car and look at the sea with the Ailsa Craig as our view. Police patrolling the seafront but never stopped. We were not the only middle aged couples doing the same.

Earlier in the day I had a debate with one of my daughters, her sister and her husband work in a place where there is an outbreak of positive tests, some are ill so bosses have got a testing centre set up outside. My younger daughter leaves her 16 month old son with her sister at the weekend to allow her to work. I tried to insist on looking after him as both her sister her brother in law were getting tested.

Both got tested and my son in law tested positive, so now my 16 month old grandson has to self isolate and obviously can’t do that on his own, so both my daughters, two of my grandsons and my granddaughter and son in law or all housebound for 10 days. After they got the results in my son in law now claims to have symptoms. Of all the ones to get the positive test, he’s one of those who remind you to obey all the rules but the rules don’t apply to him.

Why oh why do they keep getting tested? If your sick stay at home.

416456 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Just about sane, 4, #391 of 1737 🔗

You have a Saturday husband 🧐 ?

416461 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Skippy, 3, #392 of 1737 🔗

Doesn’t everyone?

416608 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #393 of 1737 🔗

I prefer to be a Man Friday…

416576 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Just about sane, 4, #394 of 1737 🔗

I just heard from a customer lady, she is self isolating for 10 days due to a shonky +ve test. She is perfectly well. She she says she has no idea where she got it as she hasn’t been anywhere.

416592 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Two-Six, 3, #395 of 1737 🔗

Antarctica? or maybe she stepped in a puddle 🙂 MW

416599 ▶▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to Two-Six, 3, #396 of 1737 🔗

why the fuck was she tested?

417223 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Markus Skepticus, 2, #397 of 1737 🔗

Ok, I got the wrong end of the stick a bit but the actual story IS WORSE!
I talked to her properly earlier on.
Her track n trace app logged her as being “in contact” with a person who had tested positive. I don’t think she actually got a test she was just told to quarantine for 10 days. She has no idea how she flagged as being in contact with somebody apart from through her wall. She says she hasn’t been anywhere, no shopping, working from home all the time.

Obviously Track n trace won’t say WHO you were in contact with.

I looked at her and said Why did you use the app? She doesn’t really know why she did but she won’t use it again, that’s for sure.

Anyway we had a lovely chat and I think I managed to scare her silly. In the nicest possible way. A good result.

Honestly everything I was talking about was like it was pretty much the first time she had heard any of it. Incredible. She also did say that “she didn’t want to know” so that’s why she doesn’t know…

416397 Helen, replying to Helen, 2, #398 of 1737 🔗

PUBLIC/GOVTECH/ VACCINE PASSPORTS

https://twitter.com/DanielKorski/status/1360528554988097543

Will there be a Covid-free, passport-accessible travel area with countries that have vaccinated all their populations this summer and are willing to offer verifiable Covid passports for travelling? By my count that’s Denmark, Serbia, Israel, UAE and Bahrain. Who else?

Looking into the future 2035@ 37 mins fortune teller talks about ‘our CLINICAL FITNESS’. Oh really?

https://thefuturecity.libsyn.com/episode-23?tdest_id=2364284

416413 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Helen, #399 of 1737 🔗

I can remember seeing pics like that when I was a kid, long time ago, with futuristic cars, buildings etc

416449 ▶▶▶ Helen, replying to DanClarke, 3, #400 of 1737 🔗

it’s not about cars and building Dan, its about surveillance – Panopticon

416523 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Helen, 1, #401 of 1737 🔗

Cyprus jumps on the vaccine passport bandwagon

Coronavirus: Transport minister welcomes Israeli agreement

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/02/15/coronavirus-transport-minister-welcomes-israeli-agreement/

416799 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to isobar, 2, #402 of 1737 🔗

I simply don’t understand why Greece and Cyprus would be leading the way for a passport. They have no real political power in the global sense yet are pushing to limit the number of people who can come and holiday there. I have been in Greece many summers and are now looking elsewhere.

417007 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Niborxof, 2, #403 of 1737 🔗

The Greek government does what others tell them, especially the Germans, while of course cloaking it in nationalistic bollocks. I doubt very much that the idea originated with them. They do however want to preserve tourism as it is almost their only money-spinner, but I don’t think this is how to do it.

416401 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #404 of 1737 🔗

No police fine propaganda in the media this weekend

Another failed phase of the operation

416407 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #405 of 1737 🔗

Viva Northumbria

John Lennon said he wanted to start a revolution from his bed. We started one from a snow covered hill in Northumbria

417010 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, #406 of 1737 🔗

Dogging in Northumbria?

416425 Mark, replying to Mark, 39, #407 of 1737 🔗

15 Million People Vaccinated. Time to Re-open?
Nicely playing into the narrative that ensures we will have lockdowns and big pharma profits as our response to societally minor respiratory infections, forever.

“Lockdowns saved us until the vaccines allowed us to open up again (mostly, until the next time we need to “save the NHS”).”

Come on Boris. Screw your courage to the sticking place!

This feels tone deaf to me. With its matey reference to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson as “Boris”, and the affectionately toned and superficially critical exhortation to “be a little braver”, it would be appropriate in a pro-Tory tabloid looking to push in a particular direction without damaging its target.

But I think it’s safe to say that the vast majority of those reading LS don’t feel that kind of affectionately critical but basically supportive warmth towards the Prime Minister whose personal panic and failure allowed lockdown to be introduced, probably permanently, to our society.

While it’s possible that’s how Toby Young himself regards Johnson, I think it’s more likely most LS readers positively hate Johnson and will never forgive him for what he has done.

416438 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Mark, 14, #408 of 1737 🔗

Hate is an understatement

416520 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 7, #409 of 1737 🔗

Yup, utterly tone deaf

Loyalty up to a point can be an admirable quality, but loyalty to any politician in the face of overhwelming evidence of some combination of incompetence, cowardice and evil is not only daft but positively dangerous

416426 cloud6, 6, #410 of 1737 🔗

Newsflash, Monday 15 February 2021,The UK Government announce a bailout of the Hotel sector. The hospitality sector has had a devastating time over the last year, industry experts say there have been up-to 700,000 job losses, so anything that can help this sector recover is welcome. No direct taxpayer contribution is required as this will be funded by the travelling public. Hotel bosses have welcomed this money as vital to their survival.

416427 Ken Garoo, 3, #411 of 1737 🔗

230th
“Who Decided Which Countries Should be on the ‘Red List’ and Why?”
The facts are fixed around the policy.

416431 fiery, replying to fiery, 10, #412 of 1737 🔗

Good to see on the BBC news this morning that only around two thirds of health and social care staff have received the vaccine so a significant number are choosing not to have it. Hopefully it will help to make my case of not having this toxic jab a little stronger.

416437 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to fiery, 7, #413 of 1737 🔗

Yes very good to see. Here are the percentages from the Leicester study.

416519 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #414 of 1737 🔗

Interesting to see that by occupation, admin/exec are the highest % at 73, doctors are the lowest at 57.

416532 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biggles, 8, #415 of 1737 🔗

Office Admin = Woke indoctrinated zombies. Who probably spend most of their time on social media because they have nothing better to do.

416534 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Biggles, 6, #416 of 1737 🔗

I’m guessing many of the admin staff are under pressure from their managers to take the vaccine. Whereas doctors are more free to make their own informed decisions. Would be interesting to hear from sceptics who work in hospitals.

I think it must be difficult for the doctors who can see the potential harms outweigh the potential benefits for most people. You can’t really expect them to risk their future careers by speaking out.

416443 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to fiery, 1, #417 of 1737 🔗

And a post below mentions the study, you may be interested in that

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/15/latest-news-286/#comment-416218

416442 stevie, replying to stevie, 6, #418 of 1737 🔗

So now Boris has given himself a week to come up with a road map now he has the latest data. That means a week of more leaks and suggestions the news. More opinion polling and focus groups to consult. Then the road map cannot implement anything for two weeks anyway to allow people to prepare. So we can expect some small easing of the restrictions on March 8th at the earliest.

416478 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to stevie, 28, #419 of 1737 🔗

It’s the fact that the government is deliberately placing itself one step behind the public. People are already meeting with others and having coffee on park benches. I see it every day. So the government presents itself as our saviour and demands our obsequious thanks for the measliest crumbs that it knows people are already doing so that it doesn’t really need to ease anything, or at least ease things much slower than it should be doing.

It is an insult of the highest order to expect us to be thankful for picnics and park-bench coffees in the tail-end of winter after an entire year of indefinite restrictions.

416551 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 6, #420 of 1737 🔗

Absolutely, Poppy. More Psy Op bullshit. We have to take away their power. Simples. We mist revoke their power. They’ve suspended democracy. They’ve suspended petition debates. They’ve restricted access to the Houses of Westminster for our elected representatives. We need to revoke their power.

417017 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Poppy, 1, #421 of 1737 🔗

I am struck by how relatively normal London is, other than many businesses not being open, and I do not see the police going in hard on people not wearing masks etc. – why risk a riot? Which they might get if they did go in hard.

416448 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #422 of 1737 🔗

Nice presentation of the useless LD 3 UK.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kskzaney0ibp3ir/England-14Feb2021.pdf?dl=0 “Authorities in England continue to claim without evidence that the only way to protect the elderly and vulnerable is to limit the freedom of the young and the healthy. Their argument is that it would have been worse without lockdowns. But, how could it have been worse? Because the fact is that England has one of the highest excess deaths and Covid deaths per capita in Europe [and one of the deepest GDP recessions], while the average age of the deceased is >80years.The new variant that appeared in September does not seem to have impacted in the age profile of deaths (if any, it seems to have had even more impact in the elderly)

416458 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to swedenborg, -2, #424 of 1737 🔗

Are you seriously suggesting that they made it all up?

416457 Ken Garoo, 12, #425 of 1737 🔗

“Imperial’s Prediction of a June-July Spike is Implausible”
All of Imperial’s predictions are absolute worst case scenarios based on inadequate models with no quoted probability of likelihood. Garbage in, garbage out. Why is this group still given credence? Who is ensuring this lot still has an iron grip on policy?

“The fact were fixed to the policy” – CIvil Servant re Iraq War.

416459 swedenborg, 12, #426 of 1737 🔗

And we need this to shop at Sainsbury?
In US in 2020 there was 21 deaths for 180 million doses of influenza vaccine
In US so far there has been 1170 deaths for 41 million doses of C- 19vaccine(12million people received both doses)

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson

416460 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 18, #427 of 1737 🔗

Everyone learnt about fascism at school with nazi Germany but when confronted with it under the guise of covid and the Johnson regime everyone has complied. They will not stop until the state controls everything and everyone.

416607 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Silver cat, 6, #428 of 1737 🔗

… in fact every single person who rolled over last March and clapped for the NHS and bravely wore a mask shouting “stay safe” to their neighbours, would have said “of course I would have defeated Hitler, Mao, the Stasi and Stalin single handedly, I would have never been as stupid as the Germans or the Russians or…”.
The same people will also be the ones waving you off to re-education Covid camps, shrugging their shoulders about disappearing dissenters, and wear five masks if Matt Hancock tells them to… because they have fundamentally not understood that fascism has arrived under the disguise of “medical care”… marching eyes wide shut feeling really good about themselves following the rules into a formidable trap laid out by the global-fascist powers to be.

416692 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Silver cat, 6, #429 of 1737 🔗

As a native German I have always wondered about the British and their fascination with Hitler and WW2. Countless programs on tv about it.
Still tapping themselves on the shoulders for their achievements fighting against him.
Seeing them fall for it now, especially the intellectuals, makes my blood boil.
I am torn between going back to Germany, which I once tried and obviously changed my mind, or staying here and and educate Britain and try to make this the country again where no-one cares what you get up to.

416462 RickH, replying to RickH, 48, #430 of 1737 🔗

FFS.

Of course, 15m vaccinated is not a reason to ease imprisonment!

The lockdown shouldn’t be there in the first place . That’s what this site is all about – and any conditionality denies that obvious fact.

Doh!!!!!

The measure (along with masking and the closure of schools, quarantine of the healthy and universal test & trace) never had any rational support in planning documents or wider evidence.

It was imposed by the most dishonest, incometent and anti-democratic government in living memory on the recommendation of a bunch of self-serving incompetents, and government toadies tied to Big Pharma.

The false information broadcast about under-tested vaccines doesn’t alter anything.

416496 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 4, #431 of 1737 🔗

Upvoted, but was it really beyond you to have written “ the most dishonest, incompetent and anti-democratic government and opposition in living memory”?

So long as you continue to focus criticism on the “Conservative” wing of our useless and evil political class, along with pushing your personal fantasy of the Jeremy Corbyn-backed coronapanic as “right wing”, the reasonable assumption is that your overriding ulterior motive is seeing Labour Party lockdown zealots rewarded with power for pushing “harder, faster lockdown”.

416516 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 6, #432 of 1737 🔗

Oh, for fuck’s sake, Mark. Can’t you leave your obsessions behind for the odd minute?

I’m just rehearsing facts.

When have I ever excused the official opposition? The fact is that I have frequently criticised it’s stance – but the Tories are the current instigators and (simple fact) in government . I similarly focused criticism on the Blair government when it was in power.

We don’t all see the world through broken spectacles.

416522 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, -2, #433 of 1737 🔗

Politics dear comrade is a fact of covid life. We need to bring down the ruling leftist ideology! No matter which party it lurks in, which currently is all of them.

416525 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #434 of 1737 🔗

Now then Rip van Winkle – how does it feel – a 40 year sleep?

416606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, -4, #435 of 1737 🔗

It feels wonderful to awaken & know who the enemy is, let us do battle & drive all forms of communism (leftist) ideologies off the face of the planet, comrade.

Then the globalists will be powerless & we will be free.

416533 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, -1, #436 of 1737 🔗

I’m just rehearsing facts .”

And conveniently focusing criticism to suit your persona ulterior party political motive.

We don’t all see the world through broken spectacles .”

You are the one who is generally careful to focus his criticism on one party, despite the fact tat the party you protect is actually pushing for more of what you criticise them for.

My preference is to always emphasize the true bipartisan nature of the coronapanic and lockdown, as far as party politics is concerned. I’m prepared to argue on a more sophisticated level about right and left, but on the party political level, there is no defence for your position – the Labour Party is objectively and consistently worse in its fanatical support for lockdown than the “Conservatives”, balanced by the fact that the”Conservatives” happened to be the party in power when the opportunity to enact it arose.

416546 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mark, 2, #437 of 1737 🔗

We need at least one decent, respected Labour MP to break ranks and speak out. Who should we target. Suggestions please…

416552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #438 of 1737 🔗

There were a few, iirc, who have broken ranks and actually voted against some of the government’s totalitarianism. I think one or two of them even did so because they opposed the totalitarianism rather than for the majority Labour Party position, that the government’s totalitarianism was not totalitarian enough.

416563 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #439 of 1737 🔗

Is there one?

416631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #440 of 1737 🔗

John Spellar (voted against most but abstained in the recent Coronabollocks bill renewal). Voted because of the disproportionate damage of lockdown.

416819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to TheBluePill, #441 of 1737 🔗

Great. Any others?

417038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #442 of 1737 🔗

Checked him out. He’s supporting vaccine passports. Next!

417865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #443 of 1737 🔗

That was my best shot sorry. Out of interest where did you see that he supports vaccine passports?

416463 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 20, #444 of 1737 🔗

I spoke to a nurse inside a hospital yesterday. Asked her if she’d had the vaccine.

She told me that she has. She doesn’t normally have the flu jab because she’s not in the at risk group but she took this one because “you need it to go on holidays etc”. No medical reasons given.

Make of that what you will.

416504 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #445 of 1737 🔗

She has done exactly what they wanted her to.

416517 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #446 of 1737 🔗

Bahhh……. bahhh, did you ask when she’s getting sheared?

416678 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #447 of 1737 🔗

She’ll also need an extra two weeks and £2kpp to go on holiday. I hope she understands that too.

416464 J4mes, replying to J4mes, 6, #448 of 1737 🔗

In my regular futile debates with my coronafied dad, his angle has shifted in accordance with what the MSM must be focussing on now. With most 65+ aged people now vaccinated, and proud to be vaccinated, the virus has now turned it’s maleficent gaze towards younger people, in particular, it now wants to attack people in my age group (I’m 40). He keeps claiming hospitals are now full with very/extremely ill younger people.

Can anyone verify these claims?

416472 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to J4mes, 7, #449 of 1737 🔗

It’s your Dad should be verifying the claim! He’s the one making the assertion. The burden of proof rests on him.

416475 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 5, #450 of 1737 🔗

What I mean is, is the MSM reporting this new phenomenon of the virus switching it’s attention to younger people?

I don’t have a TV license so I don’t see 90% of the crap they peddle.

416511 ▶▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to J4mes, 8, #451 of 1737 🔗

https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1348772126854098945
I imagine he saw this.

Assessed here:

A Senior Doctor Writes… from 15th January
https://lockdownsceptics.org/?s=packet#a-senior-doctor-writes

There do not appear to be “many more” younger patients suffering from Covid in hospital this winter. In fact, the official figures suggest that there are proportionally fewer very sick younger patients and fewer deaths in this age group than in the spring. If that is correct, why did Hugh Pym report precisely the opposite on the national news?
Perhaps someone from the BBC could contact Lockdown Sceptics to explain what I’m missing in this data? Surely, the lavishly taxpayer funded BBC, with hordes of researchers, fact checkers and expensive journalists, must be more accurate in its interpretation of the data than one private individual with a laptop and an internet connection. Maybe they have access to more up to date information than I can see. I would be most grateful to be shown the errors in my calculations and will be happy to be corrected if I have misinterpreted the figures.

416476 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to J4mes, 4, #452 of 1737 🔗

See Swedenborg’s heat map below. The trend is currently for covid labelled deaths being even more concentrated in older people.

So the viruis isn’t listening to your dad!

416486 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #453 of 1737 🔗

Crucially, my dad regurgitates the bilge he picks up from watching the BBC/Sky/etc, on an unhealthy level. My curiosity is, what is the MSM telling people now? I don’t have live TV (thankfully) so I’m ignorant to what they might be reporting.

416490 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to J4mes, #454 of 1737 🔗

Sorry, you’re asking the wrong person then! I avoid all mainstream media.

416803 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to J4mes, 1, #455 of 1737 🔗

vaccine, vaccine , vaccine and vaccine

416477 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to J4mes, 8, #456 of 1737 🔗

If you are 40 and in good health (including not obese) then he should be more worried about you being hit by lightning.

416515 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #457 of 1737 🔗

I am a maker of Faraday cages we can provide them at £6000 delivered (may take 3 weeks to deliver) as made in China.

416625 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #458 of 1737 🔗

Or blinded (or worse) by the “vaccines”

416492 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to J4mes, 8, #459 of 1737 🔗

See here and look at admission rates by age.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

There have been more younger people being admitted to hospital, but the rate of 18 -64 year olds is nearly five times less than 65-84 year olds and over 15 times less than 85+. You can also see the overall rate of admissions has halved, so no hospitals aren’t full.

You can get NHS data here.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

As you suspected he is talking bollocks, good luck with the debate.

416513 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 5, #460 of 1737 🔗

Just a quick look at the NHS data from 11/02/21 for you

Total beds

England

Beds occupied

115,831

Beds occupied by confirmed COVID patients

25,334

416530 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Jonny S., #461 of 1737 🔗

Wow, thanks Jonny, this will be very useful in response to his brainwashed bollocks.

416535 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Jonny S., 5, #462 of 1737 🔗

There is no such thing as a confirmed Covid patient,only those having tested positive for the discredited PCR.

416807 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Jonny S., #463 of 1737 🔗

25.334 who have tested positive. a small proportion may be ill with covid like symptoms . we dont know how many as that will give the game away

416810 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to mj, #464 of 1737 🔗

and many of these were not positive when they went into hospital .

416497 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to J4mes, 2, #465 of 1737 🔗

no, it’s all bollocks. press delete.

417146 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to J4mes, #466 of 1737 🔗

The Guardian had an article claiming most of the covid patients in the ICU were in their 50’s and 60’s. Maybe he read that?

416466 mattblack, replying to mattblack, 26, #467 of 1737 🔗

Sack 70% of the NHS management and put the matrons back in charge of the wards
You know , like we used to

416483 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to mattblack, 7, #468 of 1737 🔗

Exactly, there are so many useless tiers of management in the NHS these days and no need for them.

416531 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to mattblack, 7, #469 of 1737 🔗

My father, who used to work for the NHS, was saying this thirty five years ago.

416580 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to mattblack, 7, #470 of 1737 🔗

From what I’ve seen this week 90% of NHS staff need to go and work for a couple of weeks a year in the real world. The place where standing in reception chatting whilst customers are present would see you getting a verbal warning, where if a customer needed you urgently you’d be called back from your tea break, where customers expected and where told how long the wait woulf likely be, where wandering across the shop floor at a snails pace in full view of customers that had been waiting for hours would mean a bollocking….the list goes on.

416762 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to TreeHugger, 4, #471 of 1737 🔗

I recall a few years ago reading a column in a daily newspaper written by the ‘resident’ advisory doctor which he described the turning point for him when he realised there was something seriously wrong with the NHS in its attitude to patients.

He was working as a junior ward doctor and was standing at a nurses’ station manned by one nurse when he heard a cry from a nearby ward. The nurse just ignored the noise but he went to investigate. He found an elderly patient on the floor, having fallen out of bed. He hurried back to the nurse to get her assistance. She didn’t bat an eyelid and wasn’t interested in helping in any shape or form. Instead she remained where she was, unmoved (by every definition of the word), and ‘explained’ that she had a bad back so couldn’t be of help. The doctor dashed back to the patient and got them back in bed with the help of a member of the public.

It was the profound realisation that, for the NHS, the well-being of patients was of secondary importance that directly led to him quitting frontline work.

416470 Caramel, 22, #473 of 1737 🔗

Round whatever lockdown in youknowwhichstate in Australia. Masks have to be worn outdoors as well. It’s quiet again outside. I broke the rules and travelled 10kms outside the allocated 5km to go grocery shopping. Spent too much there as they weren’t getting much business. The city was so empty again.

If there’s any silver lining in any of this, people aren’t happy with the Kim Jong-Dan this round so maybe there’s a chance they’ll vote him out. Not holding my breath about that but just maybe. The sheep are suckers for punishment and are panic buying again so they are still lost.

416489 CGL, replying to CGL, 5, #474 of 1737 🔗

And so one video discredits the whole lot.
Many apologies, it’s from that most heinous of tv organisations:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-56047409

416524 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CGL, #475 of 1737 🔗

Has anyone seen it?
What’s the skinny??

416539 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #476 of 1737 🔗

The article talks about a video called ‘Ask the Experts’ – it’s on WhatsApp apparently – has anyone seen it? I haven’t heard of it, and it may be one that doesn’t have any of the credible people that we already know. If anyone has seen it, would be good to know what you think.

416547 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CGL, 7, #477 of 1737 🔗

BBC setting up straw men again.
There was a news report the other day busting the myth that there is a microchip in the vaccine.

416506 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 12, #478 of 1737 🔗

Hopefully one of the (depressingly few) MPs with a brain and courage (this ain’t Kansas any more) will ask Boris how a vaccine that isn’t even claimed to prevent infection has removed ’15m from Covid’s path’. Either the vaccine works, in which case why doesn’t the manufacturer claim this, or it doesn’t and the 15m are still capable of catching and throwing it. There is no grey area.

416749 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to eastender53, 1, #479 of 1737 🔗

I’d say there’s a very big grey area.

Boris could quite well argue that what he meant is 15M people have had their risk of death from Covid dramatically reduced.

And yes, I know that’s a contentious (if not tendentious) statement, but it’s almost certainly what he actually meant.

416507 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 34, #480 of 1737 🔗

Open letter to 77th Brigade & the Security Agencies.

Release Toby Young. Stop badly impersonating a lockdown sceptic! Allow him to practice honest credible scepticism & freedom of expression over the Covid-19 fraud. We want unbiased analysis of current Covid-19 propaganda with at least some attempt to be relevant with up-to-date articles.

Some links are weeks old if not older. 2 links in the round-up section I posted myself several weeks ago in the comments section FFS.

Vaccines being the Zeitgeist of 2021 with numerous sites reporting daily on care home deaths & side effects, but nothing here! Many once prominent sceptic contributors suspiciously silent or silenced on the cons of being vaxxed. Let free speech rain down upon those attempting to silence us.

Lockdown sceptics fat controller must cease & desist, leave at once.

FREEDOM PARTY.

P.S. Please take Johnathon Barr with you.

416527 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #481 of 1737 🔗

The Bungle’s on your side when you focus on this and leave your ‘anti’ at home!

416566 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 4, #482 of 1737 🔗

Sorry comrade I wear my anti as a badge of honour.

416536 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 31, #483 of 1737 🔗

Dear Will, ^^^^^^^
Please restore order.
These vaccines are being utterly misused. We are still in HUMAN TRIAL phase and no one is talking about that. Do you seriously believe every person receiving a vaccine has given informed consent? Do you think, maybe, there were care home residents without all their faculties who were vaccinated against their wishes? Is this ethical? Calls for children to be signed up to vaccine trials when human trials are NOT completed until January 2023??? This is extremely worrying and unethical. This country is allowing human experimentation that breaks the Nuremberg Code and we must stop this. We must speak up. Lockdowns are being used to blackmail people into taking vaccines. Take your vaccine or no freedom. Come on!! Speak out! We can allow consenting adults to be part of this trial phase but NOT the vulnerable or children. That is abhorrent.

416565 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #484 of 1737 🔗

Has anyone actually given informed consent? We know several people who have now been jabbed and they all think it’s going to ‘stop them getting Covid’ and ‘get us out of lockdown’. Propagandised and terrified people are not informed, in my view. MW

416646 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #485 of 1737 🔗

I share your concerned. Perfectly healthy, educated, previously rational relatives (in the 70+ group) simply repeat that chilling propaganda-driven phrase, “I’ve got no qualms” when asked why they’ve taken it. When asked if they gave informed consent they get angry and defensive and say, “what are you suggesting, it’s a conspiracy to kill is all?” Their words, NOT mine!! I’m simply asking, “were you given explicit information about these vaccines and do you understand they are still in human trials phase and did you give informed consent?”

416707 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #486 of 1737 🔗

I asked my friend who is a care worker, she was NOT sat down before and told about side effects or what the vaccines is, just handed a leaflet AFTER.

416813 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Silke David, #487 of 1737 🔗

Yes, I have heard this, too.

416745 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #488 of 1737 🔗

Is there ever really informed consent for any vaccine? I’m not sure it’s a novel problem.

416969 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to AidanR, #489 of 1737 🔗

I’m afraid you’re correct and it’s not a novel problem at all, which is why people don’t even know to ask and medical providers don’t bother to tell. The “safe and effective” mantra is so ingrained and people are afraid to be labelled anti-vaxxer if they dare ask some questions.

416892 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, #490 of 1737 🔗

Lol!

416529 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 99, #491 of 1737 🔗

I can’t be the only one baffled by the continued silence of this site over the effective cancelling of Mike Yeadon. Mike was one of the earliest contributors to the site and wrote several excellent articles criticising government policy. His extensive experience in the pharmaceutical industry meant that he couldn’t just be written off as a crank. He has been the victim of a coordinated witch-hunt that has driven him off Twitter and effectively silenced him. I find his treatment totally despicable. That this site seems content to have him thrown under the bus without so much as a word spoken in his defence reflects badly on it.

416550 ▶▶ John001, replying to Chicot, 18, #492 of 1737 🔗

If anyone has an e-mail address for him, I’d certainly send him thanks for all he did. Or if this site can accept messages for him, I’d send one via the moderators.

416561 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to John001, 10, #493 of 1737 🔗

Yes. If there was a way to convey to him how much support he really has, it could help. MW

416984 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to John001, 4, #494 of 1737 🔗
416553 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Chicot, 17, #495 of 1737 🔗

I wonder whether this might reflect Mike Yeadon’s wishes. He may not wish to have any more attention drawn to him at present if he is trying to deal with the experience of that despicable treatment and its implications. He has been incredible and if he needs privacy for now, or even forever, then I would respect that. If I were Toby I would not publish anything about him without his consent and perhaps that is not forthcoming just now.

416741 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #496 of 1737 🔗

On the one hand, I agree… but on the other, the people need their prophet.

416557 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Chicot, 33, #497 of 1737 🔗

I’ve posted about this too. It really doesn’t help that Toby Young told a BBC programme that ‘he’ had got it wrong about the so-called ‘2nd wave’. Mike Yeadon had stated that viruses ‘don’t do waves’ and I’m sure he should know! With Ferguson predicting a summer ‘3rd wave’ which can only mean that the Government is expecting a tsunami of ADRs around then, challenging this could not be more critical.

Frankly I am not holding my breath that this site will do any more than it already is and I’ve given up reading the updates. I just come on here for the comments.

I note an increasing tendency among supposed sceptics – especially Barr and co – to adopt the vocabulary of our oppressors: ‘pandemic’, ‘2nd wave’ and ‘vaccine’.

What should be happening is that Mike Yeadon’s view of the course of events, his warnings about the ‘vaccines’ etc should be published by this and every other site with a claim to scepticism. What we don’t know is whether he has just given up in despair! I couldn’t honestly blame him. MW

417002 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #498 of 1737 🔗

For Darwin’s sake, what is wrong with people? Look at Carl Heneghan’s chart of deaths – can you see a second wave in 2020? No, all we have is a seasonal rise in September and then a massive spike in mid Jan 2021 due to care home vaccines.

416588 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Chicot, 20, #499 of 1737 🔗

I’d say it’s more than a cancel culture event. I’d say he’s been threatened. That’s happening to a lot of the public sceptics

416601 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #500 of 1737 🔗

Yes, I’ve wondered that myself. Wouldn’t suprise me at all.

416620 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Chicot, 8, #501 of 1737 🔗

LS has come under fire with TY receiving direct threats I am sure. When he writes, he is on fire, as he did a few weeks ago in defence of Lockdown Sceptic. Like most of us he is battling fatigue, probably difficult home schooling, financial hardship etc etc etc. And add to that we are all seeing friends, family members, colleagues marching happily into the trap they are laying out – coercion into ruthless medicalisation – and all that depression that comes with it. Will Jones does good updates but JB is simply too mainstream to be taken seriously.

416633 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Chicot, 1, #502 of 1737 🔗

He’s in France – the garlic munchers have a lot more spirit than than gulag island

416733 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #503 of 1737 🔗

CD,

You might be interested to see this EU document from 2018 summarising the vaccine views of GPs throughout the EU. It all makes for interesting reading but I noted that, when asked for their views on the safety of vaccines generally (table, page 18), whilst 89.9% of GPs in the UK were satisfied, the figure dropped to 69.9% in France.

When asked for their views on the safety of the flu vaccine (table, page 18), 85.4% of UK GPs were satisfied, compared to 51.8% in France. This would suggest that far fewer than 50% of GPs in France would be comfortable prescribing or taking the experimental covid vaccine.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2018_vaccine_confidence_en.pdf

416538 alw, replying to alw, 8, #504 of 1737 🔗

More vaccine bollocks on JHB how doctors explaining vaccine to those who have yet to take up. Apparently on Panorama tonight. My husband said, “well we won’t be watching”, not that we watch the BBC or any terrestrial TV. Well doctors couldn’t answer the questions that need to be answered such as trials, efficacy etc. More nonsense on Mike Graham. Most political parties assuming people want vaccine.

416541 ▶▶ CGL, replying to alw, 5, #505 of 1737 🔗

I hope they don’t do a hatchet job on Dolores Cahill, but I fear my hope may be in vain.

416581 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CGL, 4, #506 of 1737 🔗

Is she expected to be on the Panaorma show? That’d be a huge surprise

Listen to her explain how she’s able to travel internationally without following any of the rules.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/TQOgvhbf7dmA/

416543 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #507 of 1737 🔗

Around in circles we go! The never ending saga of Covid 19. For those of you still labouring under the illusion that it actually exists this is the latest info that may convince you just how much of a fraud this whole fraud is.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/covid-19-has-never-been-isolated_IEoPUtdyJjlwp3c.html

416579 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #508 of 1737 🔗

That’s a good summary.

The hysteria is a force of its own but the trigger could certainly have been intentional. Great delivery from this gentleman.

416545 Will, replying to Will, 20, #509 of 1737 🔗

So after clearly declining my invitation for a vaccine, I had a text this morning informing me that I had appointments booked for tomorrow and early May. I phoned the surgery to make it clear I don’t need a vaccine. They said I would be marked as declined and would have to call to get a vaccine at a later date. Whether that will be an end to it we will see.

416554 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 10, #510 of 1737 🔗

“marked as declined”

Chilling.

416597 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #511 of 1737 🔗

not really. if your plan is to vaccinate everyone then you need to keep a status on everyone, otherwise how would you know that you’ve successfully contacted them?

416711 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to A Heretic, 2, #512 of 1737 🔗

Have you taken a wrong turn?

417006 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to A Heretic, #513 of 1737 🔗

sorry but do behave

416556 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 3, #514 of 1737 🔗

Be interesting to see what kind of pressure you come under.

416583 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 3, #515 of 1737 🔗

Whether the GPs are incentivised to get people jabbed I don’t know, but I expect a call from someone today or tomorrow.

416596 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 1, #516 of 1737 🔗

Please do keep us informed of the process…

416609 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 1, #517 of 1737 🔗

£25 per jab (about twice the rate for annual flu jab) X2 = £50 per patient.

416690 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to karenovirus, 1, #518 of 1737 🔗

I think it’s £12.50 per jab, payable only on completion of the course of two.
And to be fair, GP practices (not the GPs themselves) are not making anything out of that.
So those who have had Jab1 will come under pressure to have Jab2, which in turn might slow the rate of vaccination of younger cohorts.

416717 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #519 of 1737 🔗

So if they only get paid after jab 2, will they still get paid for 1 if a patient died after jab 1?

416618 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Will, 7, #520 of 1737 🔗

In the past it has been customary for GP’s to be paid not only per individual jab, but also some kind of other bonus upon meeting of prearranged target, eg. 70% [or whatever] uptake of their patient list.

That said, surely part of NHS informed consent procedures includes making an individual assessment as to whether the vax is appropriate for each person’s health & life circumstances; and informing them of any & all alternative treatments. I’m gonna take a wild guess that this is not being done.

416727 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Will, 2, #521 of 1737 🔗

I expect it’s as simple as money… they probably get a fixed fee for each jab, which, thanks to the simple shopper, is a much more profitable enterprise than the usual mishmash of GP services.

417009 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Will, 1, #522 of 1737 🔗

Tell them to fukoskvy

416582 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Will, 3, #523 of 1737 🔗

Interesting, my local surgery said on the phone, ok we’ll take your name off the list so you aren’t bothered again

416818 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to DanClarke, 1, #524 of 1737 🔗

Had the NHS letters and a phone call. Surgery understood concerns and said to call if we change our minds.

416594 ▶▶ alw, replying to Will, 4, #525 of 1737 🔗

I have had 10 texts and 3 letters and declined all despite informing I would not be having. Think they are desperate. GP’s only getting paid when they have givenyou the second jab.

416638 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to alw, 10, #526 of 1737 🔗

I have just opened my invitation letter. In the accompanying leaflet it says:

‘Overall, fewer than 1 in 100 people who are infected will die from Covid-19 but in those over 75 years of age this rises to 1 in 10.

There is no cure for Covid-19 although some newly tested treatments do help to reduce the risk of complications.’

It’s funny that the fact-checkers don’t seem to be interested in that outrageous ‘misinformation’. Apart from those ludicrous but weaselly-worded scary figures, it seems a mundane, self-limiting Coronavirus is ‘incurable’! What? Like terminal cancer? No wonder people our age are tamely trotting along to be jabbed!

AlanG answered the phone to the GP’s surgery when they phoned him a couple of weeks ago so he’s ‘marked down as declined’. We had 2 missed calls from them last week which could either have been for me or an attempt to wear him down. MW

416656 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Will, 4, #527 of 1737 🔗

why phone them at all? just don’t turn up. that way, they’ll have to throw away the spoiled vial of poison.

416698 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Will, 4, #528 of 1737 🔗

Why bother phoning them? Better to just not turn up. A good waste of experimental gunk then.

416548 Londo Mollari, 7, #529 of 1737 🔗

I have just been reading the Daily Expose’s update on adverse reactions (1 in 250). I am surprised to read that the Astra Zeneca Vax uses RNA technology. https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/14/think-the-oxford-jab-is-safe-adverse-reactions/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR2AdeGeeI8ZC4oLTvZbVB470xbs6pUmxMPgQNy-fE3GfzVnfTAQfBQIyOc

416559 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #530 of 1737 🔗

Went to visit some friends in Manchester and felt duty-bound to go and visit Kat and Luc’s café. Sadly, there is a closure notice stuck to the shutters.

416570 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #531 of 1737 🔗

Closure notices can be challenged in court.

416567 Bigade, 1, #532 of 1737 🔗

A comforting video that should be watched by all… https://t.co/tCWn632pcm?amp=1 .

416568 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #533 of 1737 🔗

Here’s a suggestion for a protest. Why not boycott the Census? There’s a punishment for it of course and I would never have dreamed of doing this previously. But the Regime is illegitimate and doesn’t deserve to get all that data on me.

416591 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #534 of 1737 🔗

I’ve never filled one out. They can fuck off.

416724 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer, 9, #535 of 1737 🔗

I always fill out the census.

I like to help them make sure they’re meeting their quota for Samoan lesbian cyborg dwarves.

416824 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to AidanR, 1, #536 of 1737 🔗

I’m self identifying as Scottish, female and black.

417477 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FenTyger, #537 of 1737 🔗

At Guantanamo Bay they use Scottish black women as sonic weapons.

417003 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to GrannySlayer, #538 of 1737 🔗

yep

416715 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #539 of 1737 🔗

If they release the 1921 census, then I might consider it. But not till then.

416573 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #540 of 1737 🔗

Guy de la Bédoyère’s piece is timely. It is a load of complete bollocks that lockdown has been about :

“… what society has borne in order to protect them [the elderly] …”

I was never asked about, or demanded such – and I can’t think of anyone who was. And my response would have been totally negative.

No – this is another divisive trope aimed at the population by those perpetuating these totalitarian myths.

In fact, in the April spike, it was policy that probably contributed to earlier deaths amongst the elderly.

416598 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 10, #541 of 1737 🔗

Most of the older people I have spoken to about this feel exactly the same

416713 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 12, #542 of 1737 🔗

All the older people I know would much rather that life had gone on as normal, with the sick treated as and when required (after all, provision had been made for extra patients). They know their time is limited perforce, and would have preferred to take their chances (most being stoic and knowing that the ”risks” were small) and been allowed to live it with their families and friends, and see the young enjoying their youth THEY as were able to.

”The Elderly” are often spoken of as if they’re all selfish, mindless fools – when in fact many are more switched on and selfless than a lot of the young snowflakes who are continually whimpering about ”safety”.

416577 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 16, #543 of 1737 🔗

An earlier post that mentioned CO2 levels and masks, made me think of an alternative challenge to supermarkets and mask wearing under the guise of obligatory health and safety. Obviously all their premises need to meet satisfactory ventilation and thus CO2 levels. Looking at a couple of websites, co2 levels in indoor areas, optimum is 500 to 900ppm, 1000 to 1500ppm mediocre and action needed, but 1500 to 2000 is considered bad and needs immediate attention. If mask wearing creates an environment of ppm of around 2500, then surely they are contravening their own health and safety laws and creating an unsafe environment for their customers and even more so the staff with prolonged use. A masked face, I would think, is equivalent to a confined space, with limited ventilation, thus even more of an issue.
An email to my local Tesco and Waitrose I think, just to see the response.

416632 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Hattie, 4, #544 of 1737 🔗

An email will do nothing
Collapse on the floor of a supermarket (muzzled) with wheezing hypoxia will do it

416651 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #545 of 1737 🔗

yes – even better, throw up: that should scare the bejeezus out of them: all those virus particles being aerosol-sprayed around the supermarket!

416674 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #546 of 1737 🔗

Actually you have just reminded me about something that happened decades ago when I was travelling on the tube to work. Some students got on and were huddled together when all of a sudden one of the students suddenly became violently sick and projected a stream of vomit across the carriage, you have never seen a carriage full of people move so fast. It turns out it was a student prank using an old fashioned hot water bottle full of vegetable soup! I suspect that would get some attention in Tescos! 😂

416731 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Hattie, #547 of 1737 🔗

I like your thinking, but the high rates applies to the space behind the mask and your face.
It would need all the people in the supermarket to take off their mask at the same time and release that Co2 in to the air , which due to the massive space will not have much impact, to measure a slight difference.

417001 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Hattie, 1, #548 of 1737 🔗

Naaaaa just dont wear one peace

416585 Markus Skepticus, replying to Markus Skepticus, 38, #549 of 1737 🔗

In chats with those who’d listen to me, a shrinking number, back in March, I warned that humanity would be ground down to the point that it would accept whatever the leaders put in front of them by means of an exit from lockdown.

And that fact that some parents are ready, willing and able to put forward their 6-year-old children to be used as trial fodder for the mRNA treatment proves my point.

416595 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Markus Skepticus, 25, #550 of 1737 🔗

Worst thing is they said they would ease the lockdown once most vulnerable had been vacccinated. Yet here we still are. So as expected it was just another dangling carrot! I hate this government.

416661 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janette, 9, #551 of 1737 🔗

The 3 weeks to flatten the curve went well, yet people continue to believe these monsters.

416673 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #552 of 1737 🔗

My goldfish has a better memory than most people. And he’s been dead for 3 years.

416708 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 11, #553 of 1737 🔗

A floating voter?

416720 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to AidanR, 1, #554 of 1737 🔗

😀

416990 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Bella Donna, #555 of 1737 🔗

They have flattened my curve.

416610 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Markus Skepticus, 15, #556 of 1737 🔗

People say that when they come for their kids they will resist.

In reality, their kids will be taken away from them if they do.

And middle class Brits have spent decades sneering at American rednecks and their firearms, but now they are going to wish they had them as communities to band together.

There is one thing to do: https://www.idonotcomply.org/events-1/worldwide-day-of-protest

Must protest or else your kids will be human experiments.

416614 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to FedupofLies, -2, #557 of 1737 🔗

And middle class Brits have spent decades sneering at American rednecks and their firearms, but now they are going to wish they had them as communities to band together.”

Thanks for that

With love

77th Brigade

416682 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 5, #558 of 1737 🔗

Is it Clodwin’s law that says as an LS thread gets longer, the likelihood of someone invoking the 77th approaches one?

416705 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, 3, #559 of 1737 🔗

Invoking the 77th slur is just another leftist cancel culture tactic, generally used when they have no rebuttal, that’s not to say 77th activity doesn’t exist but its generally so blatant there’s no need to identify it, I don’t think the IQ barrier is set very high for people wishing to join 77th brigade. Not if Ellwood is an example of its leadership.

416997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #560 of 1737 🔗

yes the dolt tobias

416703 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to RickH, 6, #561 of 1737 🔗

Excuse me, but I am very careful not to incite violence. Others on here have said they would like certain things to be done to figures like shot and hanged and so on. You never said anything to THEM.

I have always said that these people should be held accountable after this is over in a COURT OF LAW, and if the DEATH PENALTY applies, then so be it, it must be done lawfullly.

Personally, from a moral point of view, I believe that there are people in this country who deserve the Death Penalty.

My point about firearms is that American sheriffs and so on are far less likely to take the kids of rural people in Idaho for refusing the experimental gene therapy.

What are you suggesting?

416645 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #562 of 1737 🔗

yes, if you wait until they’re coming for your kids, then basically you’ve left it too late

416641 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Markus Skepticus, 13, #563 of 1737 🔗

what kind of parent offers their child up for medical experimentation! our survival instinct as a species must be completely dead if we have sunk this low

416655 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #564 of 1737 🔗

The same kind of parent that didn’t stand up against their obviously unhealthy mandatory muzzling and their deprivation of education and socialising.

416709 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JayBee, 3, #565 of 1737 🔗

I know, it’s sick. That is why I wouldn’t want all these children going back to school. They will have to wear muzzles again, I think. Can’t be good for developing brains.

German Neurologist On Face Masks: ‘Oxygen Deprivation Causes Permanent Neurological Damage’ (technocracy.news)

I don’t know whether this neurologist is an eccentric outsider or not.

416657 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #566 of 1737 🔗

I think an extremely stupid one. In fact just because they are capable of reproducing doesn’t mean they should reproduce. In fact the world would be a better place is they didn’t.

416987 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Bella Donna, #567 of 1737 🔗

I didnt

416680 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #568 of 1737 🔗

Ones to whom children are a lifestyle accessory. In this case, an accessory to be used for the ultimate in virtue signalling.

417292 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #569 of 1737 🔗

Just like the little dogs they pull around the parks, letting them shit on the grass then removing 90% of that shit leaving the rest for the people to have their picnics in. Peuk!!!!

416693 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Markus Skepticus, 5, #570 of 1737 🔗

Gonna be like this

417244 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #573 of 1737 🔗

First I’ve heard of this guy. Hats off to him for effort. Has he achieved anything?

416603 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #574 of 1737 🔗

Special Saturday Broadcast: Governments Admit COVID-19 a Cover for Depopulation Program
https://www.infowars.com/posts/breaking-uk-govt-admits-covid-19-a-cover-for-depopulation-program/

416622 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #575 of 1737 🔗

Infowars have been saying the exact same thing for 25 years

416684 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Crystal Decanter, #576 of 1737 🔗

Just because a controlled opposition is set up to front for a real one doesn’t mean it is not a way to put truths in the open where they are effectively auto-debunked.

I didn’t read the linked article. but eugenics never went away and is not so hidden behind its various fronting NGOs for core networks of wealth and influence set in social and biological engineering.

The displacement of spiritual insight to the dead concept of mind-control becomes a source of terror. For false thinking goes forth to multiply false and unworkable outcomes that bring on every reinforcement or ‘proof’ to the lie and the father of it.
In one way or another a true statement of intent is that of ‘making the population safe’ not least by lockdown as the principle for a life of granted ‘freedoms’ under the dictate of terror under the leveraging of fear, pain and loss.
This is no god of love!

416706 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Binra, 2, #577 of 1737 🔗

The original motivations of Marie Stopes, Planned Parenthood and here Family Planning Clinics ought to be understood by people. They probably aren’t, but they should be.

416738 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to AidanR, #578 of 1737 🔗

Indeed they should.

416788 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Binra, -1, #579 of 1737 🔗

Infowars is conspiratainment
(jolly good fun at times)
about as accurate as Nostradamus – if you fling that much shit against a wall some of it hits the target

416868 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Crystal Decanter, #580 of 1737 🔗

For the most part I look at the contextual messaging. Entertainment can be used to entrain.

In fact just such discernment was enough to be immune from the covid media deceit. Anything that seeks to manipulate my response is not allowed to run in my heart and mind. (I was also aware of the way ‘biofear’ is used as medical control.
PR is also targeted shit and finds a target receptivity. It works both ways.
Its all very very clever, but what goes around, comes around.
A key part of the control agenda is inducing people to give consent such that they are the ones who actually choose to limit, degrade or destroy themselves. The resilience to which is wholeness of being or spiritual integrity. Nothing to do with ‘special beliefs’. but clear conscious

416986 ▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Crystal Decanter, #581 of 1737 🔗

except the video from bohemian grove eh

416605 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #582 of 1737 🔗

Official Covid symptom list could expand to include headaches and fatigue
Sixty per cent of people testing positive for coronavirus exhibit none of the official symptoms
Well fancy that!

– experts call for list to be extended
I bet they do! Aren’t headaches one of the main reactions to the vaxxes?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/14/official-covid-symptom-list-could-expand-include-headaches-fatigue/

416621 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #583 of 1737 🔗

That fits the article linked to here yesterday, where the US doctor argued that Covid 19 is not a disease, but an agglomeration of many symptoms.
Which opened the door to all kinds of manipulations, in particular with regard to the ‘vaccine’ trials.

416637 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #584 of 1737 🔗

We mustn’t lose sight of the biggest symptom – ‘no symptoms’. It must be awful to have that.

416670 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #585 of 1737 🔗

It is, it’s truly awful. I’ve been suffering from it for about a year now and just can’t throw it off. You’ve no idea how debilitating it is to be asymptotic – always nearly there but not quite.

416883 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #586 of 1737 🔗

nice dictionary joke

416983 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Sam Vimes, #587 of 1737 🔗

ive got a runny nose

417113 ▶▶▶ mikec, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #588 of 1737 🔗

I’ve had the new variant ‘long no-symptoms Covid’ for at least 12 months. Most days it takes all my strength to shower, eat three meals, go to work and watch TV. I’ve kept my sense of smell, got a terrible big boil on my ar5e, and I’m only able to walk a couple of miles each day. When will this disease leave me.

416652 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #589 of 1737 🔗

What about ingrowing toenails?

416900 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, #590 of 1737 🔗

You mean Covid toe?
It’s nasty

417252 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crystal Decanter, #591 of 1737 🔗

Covid toe is chilblains.

417254 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #592 of 1737 🔗

Probably!

416665 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #593 of 1737 🔗

How conveniently coincidental that those are also symptoms associated with mask wearing as per Basileus’ post below:

The effect of face masks on CO2 concentrations.

https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-20-07-covid-0403.pdf

…concentrations in the detected range can cause undesirable symptoms, such as fatigue, headache, and loss of concentration…

416689 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to leggy, 3, #594 of 1737 🔗

Ergo, wearing a face nappy gives you covid

416612 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #595 of 1737 🔗
416619 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #596 of 1737 🔗

Shall we arrange a doorstep clap for those looking at the evidence?

416628 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #597 of 1737 🔗

Over exposure to the guardian (even just the headlines) will turn you into a raving Marxist!

416790 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #598 of 1737 🔗

I lined my budgie’s cage with it and now he’s trying to seize the means of production.

416664 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #599 of 1737 🔗

So doctors, nurses and BAME are anti vaxxers. How do the media spin this?

Get the popcorn ready…

416831 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #600 of 1737 🔗

Isn’t that odd, when they’ve supposedly been exposed to such horrific scenes of people gasping their last breaths with covid? You’d think they’d be desperate for it…

Can’t imagine they will take well to being forbidden to leave the country as a result, either.

417034 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #601 of 1737 🔗

It is odd – surely they above all would regard it as their lord and saviour? If it is actually safe to take, that is.

417273 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, #602 of 1737 🔗

Some interesting info about vaccine take-up here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.11.21251548v2

416613 Suet, replying to Suet, 8, #603 of 1737 🔗

Having a laugh here. I suddenly remembered that pcr was used to multiply the dinosaur dna in the Jurassic Park film, and then they filled in the gaps with frog dna. It seems they’ve done similar with these jabs: a part-isolated/virus, with modelling (on what?) used to fill in the gaps, and then some other bits added to make ‘fake’ spike proteins inside the human host.

I wonder if we’re going to see a new race of part-human/part velociraptor emerge?

416685 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Suet, 3, #604 of 1737 🔗

I think it has already happened. Most of the government appear to have brains the size of a Brontasaurus (pea sized). Another experiment that went wrong.

416615 JayBee, 9, #605 of 1737 🔗

After reading the first few stories, there’s only one quote that came to my mind and that I’d consider apt.
Unfortunately, we still seem to be very far away from the recovery phase.
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”
Charles Mackay

416623 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #606 of 1737 🔗

We need regime change. All the old parties are corrupt by globalism. The new parties all obsessed with the letter R, & are really just rehashed old party rejects.

Is the Freedom Party name taken? Who would lead, what apart from the obvious would the manifesto be?

  1. Zero Covid-19 mandatory mitigation measures.
  2. Repeal all Covid-19 legislation.
  3. Stop production & distribution of Covid-19 vaccines.
  4. ?
  5. …………………..?

WARNING: Socialists need not apply

416634 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #607 of 1737 🔗

I’m not a socialist, but we need everybody to achieve the laudable aims you mention. Don’t play the divide-and-rule game.

“If you go to the southwest desert and catch 100 red fire ants, as well as 100 large black ants, t can catch about 100 red fire ants that live in the southwestern desert and also about 100 of those large black ants, and put them in a jar, at first, nothing will happen.

However, if you violently shake the jar and dump them back on the ground the ants will fight until they eventually kill each other.

The thing is, the red ants think the black ants are the enemy and vice versa when, in reality, the real enemy is the person who shook the jar.

This is exactly what’s happening in society today:

Liberal vs Conservative
Black vs White
Mask vs Anti Mask

The real question we should be asking ourselves is who is shaking the jar and why?”

Gina Carano

416663 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to rockoman, #608 of 1737 🔗

That’s such nonsense its naive, politics is divisive & ending political games is an impossible dream. All social species play at politics.

Absolute consensus is as impossible as zero covid! Disagreement is a fact of life. Socialism is by definition authoritarian & as such directly opposes the raison d’être of a Freedom Party!

416878 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #609 of 1737 🔗

There ya go if proof were needed, a socialist came along & couldn’t help themselves from hitting the thumb down button.

416668 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to rockoman, 1, #610 of 1737 🔗

The trouble with that kind of superficial hippy nonsense is that it promotes a false sense of even-handedness (as well as pushing the fantasy of some dark controlling force, managing politics and society in detail and planning on a scale of decades or centuries). Also, it trivialises real and important confrontations such as mask/anti-mask.

But life is rarely even-handed, and our political situation today is not. Our institutions, our financial corporations and our big tech and media oligopolists are not (except in the particular case of dissent from the coronapanic dogmas) even-handedly excluding and silencing voices from both left and right. They are colluding to exclude conservative, traditionalist and right wing voices from the public square.

416714 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, -1, #611 of 1737 🔗

The real question we should be asking ourselves is who is shaking the jar and why?”

Absolutely, but some are so obsessed with their private hobby horses that they prefer to stomp around in the irrelevant delusions of one-dimensional sectarianism, when even a brief look at the scenery illustrates the irrelevance.

Not being able to see the ‘wood for the trees’ doesn’t begin to capture it.

416743 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #612 of 1737 🔗

Comical, your sanctimonious attempt to pretend to be all “non-sectarian” (politically speaking), when you are absolutely the opposite, and make that clear here regularly. Of course your obsession with a fantasy “right wing”, that is apparently supported even by Jeremy Corbyn, isn’t a “hobby horse”. In truth, it’s a very dead horse that you’ve doubtless been flogging since the 1970s.

416760 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #613 of 1737 🔗

Typical deflection strategy, accuse your accuser of your own guilty secret.

I declare I am obsessed with my freedom, as such freedoms most pressing danger is socialism a.k.a. authoritarianism.

I take the fight to the enemy whoever that may be, not wait for it to ambush me.

416842 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 2, #614 of 1737 🔗

Thread hijack.

Hello RickH. You replied critically to one of my posts late last night. I don’t know if you saw my reply, but I concede that you make a very valid point which I’m actually largely in agreement with myself.

But I was having a very pissed off few hours, and I’m learning how to hate … which doesn’t always lend itself to reason. So a very fair point from you.

416753 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to rockoman, #615 of 1737 🔗

On review of your reply, doesn’t the utopia you suggest, already have a word communism a.k.a totalitarianism e.g. The Communist Manifesto by Karl Mark. As adopted by globalists but in reverse?

416817 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to rockoman, 1, #616 of 1737 🔗

Great analogy.

416635 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #617 of 1737 🔗

I’ve always felt that should be the name.After restoring our ancient freedoms we should free ourselves from the US,UN NATO and the rest of the globalist institutions.

416699 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, -2, #618 of 1737 🔗

6.. Nuke China.

416704 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AidanR, 1, #619 of 1737 🔗

bit drastic
replace the usurping PROC with the legitimate ROC

416791 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #620 of 1737 🔗

Kai-shek was a little on the bloodthirsty side too. The problem isn’t the type of government, the problem is government.

416763 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, 1, #621 of 1737 🔗

We are a anti war against civilians movement. Death penalty is open to discussion for genocidal psychopaths.

417297 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, #622 of 1737 🔗

Sounds like a guerilla gardening collective to me.

417238 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to AidanR, 1, #623 of 1737 🔗

A week ago, my Nuke China posts were getting -8 or -10… this is progress, people.

You’ll be manning the barricades by March 😀

417669 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, #624 of 1737 🔗

Well I haven’t been down-voting them, but it does seem pretty rash to call for nuking a country with a nuclear deterrent of its own….

416626 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 38, #625 of 1737 🔗

The charities have been silent, Age Concern, Mencap, they should be going ballistic at what has happened with the DNR notices, for a start. But they arent. I wouldn’t contribute to any of them now

416644 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 13, #626 of 1737 🔗

There are no dissenting voices except for ours, its too depressing.

416649 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 15, #627 of 1737 🔗

Same with human rights lawyers/activists, hardly a peep.

It is times like this, crisis or emergency, when human rights must be defended, instead all we’ve seen is capitulation & compliance With ludicrous assertions of the impossible, right to good (my emphasis) health, which is the impossible dream, besides which lockdown does the opposite, prevents healthy activity & causes poor health & sickness.

416725 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #628 of 1737 🔗

Liberty have come out fairly strongly against ‘immunity passports’
https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/libertys-view-on-immunity-passports/

416744 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to isobar, 6, #629 of 1737 🔗

I’d say they need to try harder/

416650 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DanClarke, 5, #630 of 1737 🔗

You make a good point, although Samaritans did produce a report showing how the needs for their services had risen in the first few months of the lockdown – I just don’t think there was much coverage of that.

416659 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to DanClarke, 5, #631 of 1737 🔗

Shouldn’t charities be awash with money as they generally receive large amounts of money from peoples wills. As there have been soooo many deaths they should have loads of money.

416688 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #632 of 1737 🔗

I’ve seen this exact exchange of posts before- anyone else? I mean word for word the same. Deja-vu or something more sinister..

416701 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #633 of 1737 🔗

… although the number of deaths in reality have been absolutely normal …

416660 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to DanClarke, 11, #634 of 1737 🔗

That’s because many are no-longer “working on the ground” but have become lobbying organisations. Lobbying organisations in receipt of significant funds from the government that they petition. Hmmm…. They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

The only charities I’ll support now are local or very specific ones. National ones with a shop in every high street don’t get a penny directly from me.

416671 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DanClarke, 2, #635 of 1737 🔗

Yes i agree Dan very strange!

416686 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to DanClarke, 4, #636 of 1737 🔗

MENCAP has been speaking out, and one of the other charities took HMG to court last year. I notice that MIND has been talking of the increase in mental illness but has not spoken out about the lockdowns.

416696 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 7, #637 of 1737 🔗

The DNR issue is a complicated one which can be misread.

But I was astounded when someone I know well (so no Chinese whispers) was asked if they had considered a DNR for their situation.

‘Their situation’ was slow-growing metastises with no current symptoms – 8 years after initial cancer diagnosis and treatment. The condition will eventually become life threatening, but this asymptomatic state is three years after the initial appearance.

The DNR question arose from a totally unrelated A&E admission and was irrelevant in any immediate medical terms.

So, …. ???

416722 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, 3, #638 of 1737 🔗

Dying protects RNHS. It’s everyone’s duty to die ASAP, preferably at home.

416951 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to RickH, 2, #639 of 1737 🔗

The DNR issue is a complicated one which can be misread.

No it isnt its deliberate policy.

416636 Binra, replying to Binra, 3, #640 of 1737 🔗

When I see such a brain-dead dissociation, I ask is it wilful or unwitting?

Laura Perrin’s earliest insight was that the degree to which one is identified in the establishment, is the degree to which such invested identity is protected against threat of change in fear of pain of loss.

This includes anti-establishment identity, for an anti identity takes its reality from that which it denies of opposes, having nothing truly original while masking as freedom from.

Questioning narratives is questioning their predicates, but taking or making an identity within it, is an expression of support and allegiance for it. Even if picking some areas of it as evils to be attacked, overturned or resisted.

A modern term for deceit is psyop. They are nothing new.
They operate within the target mind in exactly the way the posited ‘virus’ is said to work.

A communication or complex net of conditions in which coded messaging and triggering finds receptive replication that undermines and destroys from within, like a Trojan horse but as a chain reaction of weaponised ‘communication’ that goes viral. To serve the purpose of the maker of the code while targeting the profile of the host such as to by pass defences and be taken in as a source of information, resource, or protection.

How would we know if we were ‘infected’?
This is actually very simple.
Peace is the condition of unconflicted being.
If we are unwilling and thus unable to locate and align with our peace, we are running fear-thinking as if to resolve conflicts externally.
Unless we yield such thinking to a centred and grounded presence, it persists in our name as if our true will and desire, and yet as we release it, we become aware of the nature or patterns of thought and emotion that run, rather than being run by them. This is the waking from reaction to an awareness in which observation, enquiry and revealing or discovery occur as a process of re-integration or realigning integrity.

While the idea may make perfect sense, the practice meets invested identity or attachments that set rules and filtering distortion that obstructs or usurps a willingness to know. So playing the ideas always generates new masks by which to seem to be active while actually blocking or diverting awareness.

All of the above is to a curiosity and willingness to know. Not to the weaponising and marketising of information – or its denial – though such are freedoms by which to deny and limit and distort or pervert the fulfilment of what we are free to be the unfolding of.

416881 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Binra, #641 of 1737 🔗

Thank you, Binra: this is full of good sense and insight. It’s hard counsel to follow, but it indicates the best we could do.

417260 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Alethea, 1, #642 of 1737 🔗

Yes but the key is starting from where we (each) are, now.
This step taken as a good step, will lead to a direction and orientation that becomes a strength of character and inner resource that is not IN the seemingly locked down bubble-self but through us to our relationships (world). So in a sense doing what is in our sphere of current willingness and capacity, realigns us with a ‘Field of Support’ that is hidden from a ‘control mentality’.

If anything inspires us, it resonates something within us that we can welcome, align with and be the expression of. The mind is expert at framing us in ‘complexity, difficulty, and impossibility, such as to either give up before we start or set up to fail. The intuition of life knows there is a way, and the mind is a set of brakes unless ‘in control’. So some willingness to feel our way in whatever way gets us moving.
I am not speaking to solving the problems of the world here, (directly), but to uncovering a sense of integrity or peace of being from which to live.
Curiosity of being is as simple and ‘ask and it shall be given’. If you look at a lot of our questions, they are actually statements in the form of a question, for at first we only want in our own terms and conditions.
This reminds me of the innocence of a child that can simply see or ask what the complex adult has covered over. There is this child within us, but we ‘know too much!

Thanks for the touch,

416639 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #643 of 1737 🔗

It seems as though Bill Gates owns our government and its his Agenda that is being pushed through without recourse to what we want.

Here’s a video about the futility of masks.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-tom-cowan-studies-show-masks-increase-rates-of-infection-and-disease_m7quOtnKDjvmyp8.html

416683 ▶▶ jos, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #644 of 1737 🔗

Bill Gates latest book is being serialised on radio 4 – more BBC bowing down at the Gates of Hell

416643 primesinister, replying to primesinister, 33, #645 of 1737 🔗

I am not going to look at anymore graphs stats and blue lines and red lines and roadmaps and listen to any sad sak politicians telling me what i can do and what i cant, I am me and i dont need nor ask permission to be me , there is no more time for debate,
only defiance of this shit is acceptable. choose your side this aint no half way house choose wisely choose life.

416662 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to primesinister, 9, #646 of 1737 🔗

I am also not living in fear. If the vac passport becomes a thing i’ll deal with it then I can’t keep living in fear of it.

I will influence anyone in my social circle who is willing to listen, which from recent conversations is negligably small.

416732 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, #647 of 1737 🔗

If they start jabbing in Asda – pay some Eastern European to have it on your behalf giving your GP details
Problem solved

416944 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #648 of 1737 🔗

Stay free choose life

416675 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to primesinister, 8, #649 of 1737 🔗

Welcome to our small group fellow ANTI lock downer.

There is no justification for any mandatory measure, its dictatorship plain & simple. We choose freedom!

416933 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Anti_socialist, #650 of 1737 🔗

The only way.

416647 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 17, #651 of 1737 🔗

The other day I posted that both OH and I had received a text message about having a Covid jab, even though we were both under 70.

This morning, a letter arrived from the NHS inviting me to have a jab. It contained an explanatory leaflet.

We’ve also had two phone calls this morning from our surgery, inviting us both to have the jab. We declined of course but at least the receptionist asked if we would “like” one.

I was able to get in the bit about us waiting until the human trials are over, though I’m not sure that she got the point!

416658 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 6, #652 of 1737 🔗

I have no criticism of staff doing what they have been instructed to do – and doing it politely, which is my experience of contact with the GP surgery.

I’m not sure that she got the point!”

But the lack of knowledge of both medical and administrative staff about the peculiar circumstances of this vaccine is worrying.

416669 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 7, #653 of 1737 🔗

Just following orders! We’ve been here before, in both senses of the word.

416702 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to RickH, 3, #654 of 1737 🔗

Only if you’ve set your expectations a couple of notches too high.

416667 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Margaret, 3, #655 of 1737 🔗

Good for you. Don’t let them persuade you. Stick to your guns.

416676 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Margaret, -1, #656 of 1737 🔗

Will probably end up paying one of the slavs to rock up and take the vaccine (for £100) in my place
job done

416679 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Margaret, 5, #657 of 1737 🔗

I’ve had the same. Text, letter from NHS and call from surgery (I’m in my 60s). I just said no thank you to the receptionist and she said that was fine and she’d put me down as declined.

416734 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to suitejb, 2, #658 of 1737 🔗

People not seeing the insidiousness of the term “decline” ? There are other ways to record non take up of the poison.

416854 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #659 of 1737 🔗

Decline(d) Covid-19 vaccine on your medical records.

  • No operations for you
  • no health screening for you
  • no cancer treatment for you
  • no appointment for you
  • 2nd class emergency care

How would you know you’re being discriminated against?

416902 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Anti_socialist, #660 of 1737 🔗

But will still be alive in a few years when all those taking the experimental gene therapy will be dead or living in fear having seen all their fellow experimentees dead.

416962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Andrew K, #661 of 1737 🔗

Don’t misunderstand me I’m advocating vaccines, just challenging the bookkeeping.

417153 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #662 of 1737 🔗

*not

416700 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Margaret, 3, #663 of 1737 🔗

Out of interest Margaret, did they say which ‘vaccine’ it was they were offering you?

416710 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to neilhartley, 3, #664 of 1737 🔗

My parents were both jabbed last week, they didn’t get a choice. My Mum had the AZ one, my Dad the Pfizer.

416719 ▶▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to leggy, 1, #665 of 1737 🔗

I wouldn’t have the Pfizer/Moderna one, hence my question. I don’t see the need for the AZ one either but at least it is a vaccine.

416740 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to neilhartley, 3, #666 of 1737 🔗

It’s still unproven and experimental. There is little in the way of real world experience with respect to adenoviral vector vaccines except for some limited AIDS/Ebola jabbing in Africa which it is incredibly hard to find any data on. Though you might want to have a read of this in The Lancet.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext

416747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to leggy, #667 of 1737 🔗

I don’t doubt it. Equally I have no doubt that vaccine passports will be required to travel and to enjoy cultural and sports events. The more they deny any plans, the more sure I am. So it’s either suicide or the AZ jab (but only when the passport comes to pass).

416757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to neilhartley, 2, #668 of 1737 🔗

Well, there would still probably be ways without succumbing to a jab. Everyone has their price if you see what I mean. But would be worth watching to see if any of the more traditional attenuated or inactivated vaccines get an emergency approval if you do feel that you have to proffer your arm at some point.

https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19

416785 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to neilhartley, 1, #669 of 1737 🔗

No. I suppose I should have asked, but that might have sounded as if I were interested in having it!

416873 ▶▶ alw, replying to Margaret, 2, #670 of 1737 🔗

As I posted last week do not think the uptake is what they say it is. Seem to be offering to all comers now. Not even the idea of a vaccine passport seems to be tempting people.

416970 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Margaret, #671 of 1737 🔗

What was the explanation?
‘Our grade 1 snake oil will cure all Covidian ills and make your granny immortal’?

416666 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 49, #672 of 1737 🔗

Just had a customer rummaging around in her handbag for her mask. Told her she didn’t need to bother – as she was trying to extricate it from a freezer bag (lovely, loads of bacteria) Her response: “Oh, I know, it’s just polite”.

It’s going to be a long haul out of this shitshow with reasoning like that.

416672 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 20, #673 of 1737 🔗

Yeah, but we will get there and you will be able to bar face nappy wearers.
Revenge will truly be SWEET!!!

416768 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip, #674 of 1737 🔗

Sadly she will likely need the nappy wearers business even after most stopped wearing them.

416808 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 5, #675 of 1737 🔗

I’ve got a good memory though!

416871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to kh1485, 7, #676 of 1737 🔗

On the happy day that I make my way inside your legendary portals, I shall be sure to identify myself to you, kh1485, so that you need not have to wonder for a moment what I did during the war.

416968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alethea, 3, #677 of 1737 🔗

I really hope I’ll meet you there, Alethea. I used to live in SW so I have a homing instinct.

417030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Alethea, 3, #678 of 1737 🔗

Ditto.
Mine’s an Americano with hot milk.

416765 ▶▶ danny, replying to kh1485, 12, #679 of 1737 🔗

Guy at work the other day who takes part in twice weekly testing (?!?!?!) told me that it is not the testing he minds. No, it is the way that he has to then use their hand sanitiser as he is allergic to it and it makes his hands red raw. When I suggested the idea that take his own, or perhaps simply tell them no thanks, I have an allergy (I didn’t even try to persuade him not to take the test, no point with this guy) he looked utterly bewildered at the prospect. These are the people keeping us in lockdown.

416766 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 4, #680 of 1737 🔗

but if she is already in the shop, spending time rummaging, (has she already placed her order?), she is only prolonging the time she is in there. People have lost all the ability to think logically.
for me it is polite not to wear one, as seeing the fabric move with every breath gives me anxiety, and I fear they might suffocate.

416857 ▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 2, #681 of 1737 🔗

are you sure she didnt say “Oh, i know , it’s just shite” (which is the thinkers reaction)

416677 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 25, #682 of 1737 🔗

So, BBC reporting that 60 per cent of those dying with coronavirus were disabled. Looks like the Do-not-resuscitate orders were the only effective part of Hancock’s policy.

416736 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #683 of 1737 🔗

Added to the care home massacre it looks suspiciously like euthanasia.

417291 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jonathan Palmer, #684 of 1737 🔗

Yes. 6% is a tad high!!!!

416681 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 16, #685 of 1737 🔗

Calcefidiol and Vitamin D3

Just a reminder of the very important recent pre-print study on calcifediol treatment on admission to hospital (that is the more immediately available form that is circulating in the blood following conversion of vitamin D in the liver) that showed a 64% reduction in death for those getting the calcifediol treatment.

Calcifediol Treatment and COVID-19-Related Outcomes
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3771318

John Campbell (lives in Cumbria, Carlisle area, I believe) has done a great video on the paper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYK9-zvJF_k&feature=emb_logo

Warning don’t look on the window sill, and some of his other videos may irritate you, but you can’t fault this one as a very clear explanation of the study.

So unless you’ve had your vitamin D level checked recently, and most people are deficient, then keep taking the vitamin D3 (2000 IU in my case but higher doses may be a good idea also).

I’ve mentioned before I’m taking the NIwVD ‘vaccine’ (natural immunity with vitamin D) and not any experimental vaccine, and I suspect that has as much efficacy (from looking at this study and other science) in protecting against what is already a very small risk for most of severe covid than any experimental vaccine will ever do, with none of the side affects (short term or potential long term) and many other positive benefits.

416777 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Freecumbria, 3, #686 of 1737 🔗

John Campbell also did a very good interview with David Davis MP on the subject of Vit D and has been highlighting this sort of study for months now.

Agree though that some of his videos are irritating. He definitely got into the doom and gloom after christmas but but seems to have come through that wobble and at least he’s not another “Only the vaccine can save us” idiot.
I don’t agree with everything he says but have a lot of respect for his opinions.

416820 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Jonny S., 1, #687 of 1737 🔗

Yes, he certainly has a huge amount of knowledge and expertise, and has a good talent for explaining things, in particular in explaining what is going on inside the body when it fights infection etc. He has talked sensibly about fever hospitals and a need to be careful with common medications to bring the body temperature down, when increased body temperature was needed to fight the infection.

He got a bit carried away with masks and social distancing and the whole fear thing, but good to hear he is getting back on track.

Looks like big pharma are already out to try and discredit the calcifediol paper, given there’s no money to be made with this sort of treatment, although there may be a bit of statistical tightening up required following peer review. But it’s clearly a good paper.

416687 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 18, #688 of 1737 🔗

Under the headline ‘Double masking could improve protection against Covid-19 by up to 90% this story in my local paper begins-
“Double masking” can increase your protection from coronavirus by 90%, according to new research from the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).The study says: “Based on experiments that measured the filtration efficiencies of various cloth masks and a medical procedure mask, it was estimated that the better fit achieved by combining these two mask types, specifically a cloth mask over a medical procedure mask, could reduce a wearer’s exposure by >90 per cent.” (rest of article by subscription).

It quotes Dr. Fauci and a study on dummies. Fauci is nowadays more of a politician than a scientist. He made his name in the early days of HIV and has been living off this ever since. We would be dummies to fall for this given that no blind trial shows masks to be effective. But if this US story is appearing in our newspapers, then someone wants to promote it seriously. Masks are useless and can give a sense of false confidence and therefore even be dangerous. But we can see the way the wind is blowing.

416691 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #689 of 1737 🔗

Thankfully I’ve not seen anyone double-masking here yet… but then our paper shop is still selling last August’s newspapers, so it could be a while.

416694 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to frankfrankly, 13, #690 of 1737 🔗

As you say, this is the same one story/study being disseminated.

Someone pointed out:

  1. Why aren’t masks made that way in the first place, then?
  2. Why not wear five, ten, fifteen, whatever?
416739 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Dame Lynet, 9, #691 of 1737 🔗

Exactly it’s just absolutely ridiculous. If that were the case then under normal circumstances why don’t doctors undertaking surgery wear two?

417148 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Janette, 2, #692 of 1737 🔗

I suspect it’s just a media fad based around a desperate desire for stories about all things Covid and a belief in the juju properties of prophylactics/preventatives/talismen. I recall in the 80s AIDS scare there were similar stories about wearing two condoms.

416726 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to frankfrankly, 5, #693 of 1737 🔗

Fixed it for you
He made his name in the early days of HIV visiting bathhouses and saunas for an in depth analysis

416966 ▶▶ Annie, replying to frankfrankly, 1, #694 of 1737 🔗

Dummies are welcome to wear two masks. Or three. Or three dozen.

417011 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #695 of 1737 🔗

Does it also reduce your oxygen intake by 90%? Where’s the risk assessment? Of course there won’t ever be one.

416718 iansn, replying to iansn, 23, #696 of 1737 🔗

‘There probably is leeway to reopen all schools’, says Prof FergusonProfessor Neil Ferguson said he is “encouraged” by the Government’s “cautious strategy” to date. Why is this individual still being listened to? Because SAGE and the government want to rub our noses in it, otherwise he would be out. The relationship with the the musketeers and financial backing that is supporting this need a thorough investigation. He is a turd

416728 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to iansn, 10, #697 of 1737 🔗

They’re fully committed. The regime can never relinquish power now.

All those who might credibly have seemed like an alternative have dipped their hands in the blood. Dominic Raab with his passport to shop; Farage with his vaccine faith.

I see no way through the normal channels that there can be any real change. However, wars against reality don’t usually end well. Of course, the elite generally escapes the consequences. Johnson, Starmer, Ferguson, Whitty and all, they won’t be dying in a bunker whatever happens. They might just end up in Idi Amin’s Saudi villa, though.

416965 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ovis, 2, #698 of 1737 🔗

Frankly, I’m almost past caring where they end up, so long as it’s a long way from here, and nasty.

416756 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to iansn, 7, #699 of 1737 🔗

Why the hell is this unelected and dishonourable person allowed to spout his tripe publicly? The government seems to think it’s fireproof. I’m beginning to feel certain it’s because they’re not going to permit us to speak through a GE because they know we’d vote them out.

416721 BeBopRockSteady, 9, #700 of 1737 🔗

Work sent out their survey today about how things might change. Dropped into the middle was a harvest for vaccine views. Obviously its prime intention. See through

416729 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 20, #701 of 1737 🔗

Time more of us started talking about the vaccines. Specifically what’s in them, what they do in the body, and the adverse reactions. Sickens me how talkradio and some others are accepting these vaccines as the way out of this mess without scrutiny, without question. Vaccines and testing are the new way of existing unless we stop it being so. JHB is ok at times but how her and others have bought into the vaccine lie makes my blood boil.
Whilst I’m here. Got an apology from Aldi today. Had an ignorant checkout woman challenge me about no mask Saturday evening. Celebrate the small wins I say!

416755 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Hopeful, 10, #702 of 1737 🔗

They’re not ”the way out” though, are they? The government has said itself that the ”roolz” will remain. Otherwise intelligent and thoughtful people I know are STILL blathering on about ”things returning to normal now the vaccine is here”. What part of the word ”remain” don’t they understand?

I notice on the ”vaccine” information, it says that people should not take it if they are allergic to any of the ingredients. I’ve had allergic reactions in the past, without knowing what caused them. How can any of us be certain they’re not harmful to us personally?

416773 ▶▶▶ boxclever, replying to Banjones, 8, #703 of 1737 🔗

I ve checked the 13 possible side effects for the Pfizer vacc,but there is no mention of pathogenic priming somewhere down the line.Should nt it be
listed as informed consent cannot be made without full knowledge.

417032 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Banjones, 2, #704 of 1737 🔗

It’s thought that the ingredient that may be causing the anaphylaxis is PEG (polyethelyne glycol) that surrounds the mRNA and keeps if from degrading. Apparently a lot of people are allergic or sensitive to PEG and you wouldn’t know if you were. I’ve got a few weird allergies — not that I will ever take the “vaccine” anyway.

417067 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #705 of 1737 🔗

Thx for that
I have just developed a sever allergy to this substance and will commit to memory !!!!

416764 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Hopeful, 14, #706 of 1737 🔗

Funny I just clicked on JHB interviewing MP Steve Baker and turned off after 30 seconds. All about how we now have the vaccine.. I am starting to think that these people are actually quite dim or of course they are simply pushing the agenda. These vaccines are not the way out and may kill or harm many more than this virus long term.

416782 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Suzyv, 9, #707 of 1737 🔗

Yes, we simply don’t know. We do know the Pfizer vaccine can damage the central nervous system (unusually high rate of Bell’s Palsy). We do know that there is no evidence either way of its effect on the fertility of young women (I find it incredible that the government is still pushing the vaccine on young women in the absence of this info). We do know it can produce “Covid-like symptoms” – probably enough to kill off a significant number of very elderly and frail individuals. We do know that there is the phenomenon of vaccine interference.

Who knows what surprises lie in store? Many scientists and people in the medical professions believe that the flu vaccine interferes with the ability of the body to fight off other non-respiratory infections.

https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m626/rr

Of course that might be one reason why SARS got a grip in the first place.

416780 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Hopeful, 8, #708 of 1737 🔗

DM Headline: Boris Johnson says Britons WON’T need to show a Covid vaccine passport to go to the pub – but admits documents could be required to go on holiday

Quoted as saying:
“What I don’t think we will have in this country is – as it were – vaccination passports to allow you to go to, say, the pub or something like that”

This doesn’t sound like WON’T to me!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9250131/Boris-Johnson-says-Britons-WONT-need-Covid-vaccine-passport-pub.html

416898 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to isobar, 2, #709 of 1737 🔗

Whenever Bunter says “we won’t”, you know it’s coming.

416890 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hopeful, 4, #710 of 1737 🔗

There two issues with vaccines, from my POV. Each important.

1) They have been rushed through in deranged circumstances so should be treated with more caution than usual
2) Vaccines are not the way out of where we are, regardless of how well they work. I’m not saying people shouldn’t have them if they help, but the arguments about lockdown and this madness are that lockdowns don’t work, are unacceptable in a free society, and that covid does not present us with a societal level emergency

416730 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 43, #711 of 1737 🔗

Temperatures in the mid to high teens and sunny by the weekend apparently. Hope it brings people out in their tens of thousands, preferably enjoying picnics, a drink or a kickabout with friends.

416754 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #712 of 1737 🔗

Why Not, ancock did it with his son about 3 weeks ago in a London park.

416759 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #713 of 1737 🔗

You got a loicence for that ball sonny ??

416805 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #714 of 1737 🔗

And all sitting on benches, before we’re officially “allowed”.

416826 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #715 of 1737 🔗

Indeed. Lots of people ignoring our bench prohibition.

416879 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #716 of 1737 🔗

Battersea Park was very busy yesterday even though it was chilly and overcast. Many are desperate to feel alive as best they can.

416746 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 42, #717 of 1737 🔗

”Allowed”. ”Permitted”. ”Safe”.
I’m utterly sick of these words.

416748 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Banjones, 39, #718 of 1737 🔗

“When a government fears the people, we have liberty. When the people fear the government, we have tyranny.” – Thomas Jefferson

416844 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to GrannySlayer, #719 of 1737 🔗

Very true…and the words come from a slave owner who would have understood the connections between fear and liberty.

416750 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Banjones, 1, #720 of 1737 🔗

DITTO

416752 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Banjones, 9, #721 of 1737 🔗

“They say we have to…” makes me vomit too.

416917 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #722 of 1737 🔗

If I read any comments like that on Nextdoor, I always commented please think for yourself and do your own research.
For this I got reported and chucked off.

416953 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #723 of 1737 🔗

‘You MUST’. Uhgughugh.

416792 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Banjones, 4, #724 of 1737 🔗

YES.

”Every faction conditions it’s members to think and act a certain way. And most people do it. For most people, it’s not hard to learn, to find a pattern of thought that works and stay that way…

But our minds move in a dozen different directions. We can’t be confined to one way of thinking, and that terrifies our leaders. It means we can’t be controlled. And it means that no matter what they do, we will always cause trouble for them.”

I feel like someone breathed new air into my lungs… I am Divergent. And I can’t be controlled.”

Even teen dystopian fiction gets it.

416894 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fear is Finite, -1, #725 of 1737 🔗

Hunger Games?

Edit: Ah… Divergent… I hadn’t read that one.

But then, I don’t tend to read much fiction written by women…. too much crapping on about ‘muh feelings’.

417047 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to AidanR, 1, #726 of 1737 🔗

Well I enjoy crapping on about ‘muh feelings’ being a woman myself! Yes it’s from Divergent, it has a lot of parallels with the current situation actually. The ‘baddies’ are the Erudite faction, basically the scientists. Trying to control everyone with simulations and grabbing all the power. The Divergent are the key to breaking free from the tyranny. The sims don’t work on them.

417235 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Fear is Finite, #727 of 1737 🔗

Yeah, I’m gonna give that a read when I feel like something light and fluffy…. any bloody feelings though and I’m out 😀

416767 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 57, #728 of 1737 🔗

I ought to be too old to still feel let down by politicians, and mostly I am.

But, I’ve owned and read several copies of Dominic Raab’s 2009 book ‘The Assault on Liberty’. It’s a great book, clearly articulating one of the central challenges of our time. I rooted for him in the Tory leadership campaign.

I just cannot reconcile the contents of this book with ANYTHING that Raab has done since he’s been in the government. It’s almost as if he’s not read it, let along written the damned thing.

It’s an object lesson in how utterly self-serving and unprincipled these fuckers become the minute they step into the SW1A postcode.

416779 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 7, #729 of 1737 🔗

I rooted for him in the Tory leadership campaign.

Oh dear, Aidan – that admission is a bit like crapping yourself in public. 🙂

416781 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 17, #730 of 1737 🔗

That’s nothing compared to the fact that I voted Labour in 1997.

416786 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to AidanR, 1, #731 of 1737 🔗

I recognise that the choice was zero – but my ‘solution’ was not to vote in the Labour parallel – but I did see the shitshow coming.

417697 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to AidanR, #732 of 1737 🔗

“Double Whammy”

416847 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to AidanR, 4, #733 of 1737 🔗

Career first, principles second, people third.

416952 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to OKUK, 2, #734 of 1737 🔗

Second and third dropped out of the race at the first hurdle.

416972 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to AidanR, 6, #735 of 1737 🔗

I think a lot of people talked the talk about ‘freedom’, ‘liberty’, ‘human rights’ etc but as we have seen from the deafening silence over these issues, they are not prepared to fight for them when there is a risk of becoming unpopular with the electorate. The only freedom most people in the UK value now is ‘freedom from’ (disease, poverty etc) rather than ‘freedom to’ (assemble, travel, express opinions etc).

417368 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cranmer, -1, #736 of 1737 🔗

It’s just a question of framing really… the libertarian in me (his name is Gary, he’s a Libra) likes negative freedoms (‘freedom from’) – freedom from use of force and interference in all their forms.

The bigger problem than people enjoying ‘freedom to’ is people wielding ‘entitlement to’ – shorthand for ‘freedom to force other people to give me the products of their labour’.

417044 ▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 5, #737 of 1737 🔗

No shame in being successfully lied to by a consummate professional liar. Our political system strongly selects for ability to deceive others about your beliefs and attitudes. Those who succeed in it are the best of the best at doing that.

One of the core tenets of conservatism has always been scepticism about big government and authoritarian state control, other than in externally focussed areas such as border control and war-making, and activities seen as inherently disorderly (drug-taking etc). So a lot of senior “Conservative” Party apparatchiks have spent their lives pretending to be that, when in fact they are instinctive authoritarians. The truth has been revealed when they were put to the test – Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Raab, All revealed as big state authoritarian scum.

If you’d gotten them in a room in front of an audience of conservatives in 2018 and described the situation as it was in March 2020 and asked them what they would think of a Labour government instituting lockdown in that situation, they’d have gone into paroxysms of faux-libertarian performance outrage.

416769 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 59, #738 of 1737 🔗

I know this site is essentially focused on the situation in the UK, but there are a few overseas contributors here and I would be interested in discovering if they have observed what I’ve seen here in Brazil.

In the state of São Paulo (each state defines it’s own measures) masks are compulsory when in public, indoors and out, no exemptions, temperature checks too You can’t use public transport un-muzzled, nor enter shopping centres and supermarkets, parks, government buildings, nor officially anywhere else. You can drop the muzzle in bars and restaurants when eating or drinking, even our mini dictator hasn’t come up with a “solution” for that yet.

Way back in March 2020 mask usage was pretty high, we also had a “few weeks to protect the health service” just like the UK. Fast forward to February 2021 and we still have quarantine, but mask wearing outdoors has dropped off a cliff. There are fines on the books but our plod haven’t gone full Stasi so nobody gets one.

Indoors is where things get interesting. Government buildings (the few that are actually open), shopping centres and large supermarkets are all fully masked environments, so nothing has changed there. What I have seen in smaller stores and businesses, as well as in offices, is interesting. Everyone starts muzzled and then looks around at the others….and the masks get discarded. People smile at each other and get on with the business in hand, breathing those nasty bugs all over each other, hugging (very Brazilian) and shaking hands. Disgusting behaviour 🙂

We do have our lockdown fanatics, usually those in government service who get their salary in full every month without fail, but most folks are fed up with the situation and unmask whenever possible. I recently went sea fishing with a bunch of mates and there was a retired civil servant with us who insisted on wearing a mask all the time, 25 miles out to sea. He won’t be invited on future trips. I flew home on a domestic flight yesterday that was pretty empty, shortly after take-off the Captain announced that as we had space to socially distance we could drop the muzzles, cue laughter and a very pleasant flight.

What I’m seeing now is a sort of quiet disobedience, and those areas where we have to mask up are being avoided whenever possible. People are prioritising smaller shops where you are treated like a human being, even our big supermarket chains have smaller outlets where this holds true. We can’t do much about government run services like transport, but we can make a difference to commercial interests.

416776 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Sampa, 24, #739 of 1737 🔗

It’s good to get first hand reports from other countries, without the filter of MSM lies. Thank you.

416797 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Jo Starlin, 24, #740 of 1737 🔗

The MSM is a big part of the problem. I was chatting to my sister in the UK recently and she was really worried that we have the dead stacked up in the streets and that the rampant virus was going to get me. She was quite astonished when I pointed out that my life is less restricted than hers and that she shouldn’t trust what she sees on the box.

416787 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Sampa, 15, #741 of 1737 🔗

Thanks for that Sampa.

Every day I wake up with a feeling of dread but usually throughout the day I come across something that lifts the spirit. Today this is that something.

416800 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sampa, 19, #742 of 1737 🔗

If the Captain had tried that on a plane full of Brits, at least 30% of the passengers would have started to shriek about protecting others, selfish covidiots, killing granny etc. On returning home they would go straight to the media and the Captain would probably be cancelled and sacked along with £10k fines for any passengers who did discard their masks. The airline might survive, if it was lucky and grovelled enough.

Isn’t Britain Great?

416802 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sampa, 5, #743 of 1737 🔗

I thought Bolsenaro said that masks were gay?
I’m assuming this is a local edict??

416830 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #744 of 1737 🔗

It is indeed. Our supreme court, that bunch of overpaid lobster scoffing, champagne quaffing toga wearers, passed the authority and responsibility for Covid measures to the individual state governors. Bolsonaro has no control over any of this but the press do like to blame him for everything.

Each state sets it’s own rules, so the range runs from no lockdown to full house arrest.

416928 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Sampa, 2, #745 of 1737 🔗

Interesting – this is what I thought would happen in Britain after a few months of mask mandates, but if anything it seems to have got worse. The British have become incredibly compliant – I think it’s partly due to the ageing of the population, the spread of virtue-signalling on social media, and the increase in residents from countries where disobeying the authorities, at least openly, is very unwise.

416947 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 7, #746 of 1737 🔗

I son’t think it’s the ageing. The vast majority of outdoor maskoid prats are young zombies, not old ones.

417422 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Annie, #747 of 1737 🔗

As a 71 year old I thank you Annie!

417115 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cranmer, 1, #748 of 1737 🔗

Brits are simple, compliant people who have grown to be too dependent and too trusting of government and institutions.

416931 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sampa, 4, #749 of 1737 🔗

Most interesting. So Brazilians have the sense to push back. Well done them, and thanks for reporting.

417021 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Sampa, 4, #750 of 1737 🔗

Thank you for this report.

The mask fanaticism is very puzzling for it clearly doesn’t work.

It was introduced in Blighty in July and six months on deaths were a hundred fold.

It is a similar tale in the Auld Sod. It was introduced in Republic in the summer when there were about ten deaths a month and last January there were about a thousand.

One can’t even say it serves as a talisman – a talisman must at least be suspected of producing some effect to be a talisman.

100,000,000 are now being gone through a week apparently – that’s a lot of dosh.

Consider if that dosh was used to fund preventative medicine. How many lives would it save?

Here is an idea – the government sells a £5 badge and devotes that revenue to better health care which they know will save lives. The £5 exempts people from wearing a mask.

Would they even dare to propose such an idea?

417434 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ned of the Hills, #751 of 1737 🔗

If we’d pumped 1% into Palestine/Israel and given it to those who would live together while supporting those who feel they are different, the whole thing could have been sorted and a model for other places to learn from. Instead they polluted the oceans and our kids minds.

416770 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 11, #752 of 1737 🔗

The German news magazine ‘Focus’ currently has a good interview with Professor Matthias Schrappe who argues for targeted protection of the vulnerable and against the blunt instrument of ‘lockdown’. Here are a couple of highlights:

‘The term ‘case’ is already inadmissible and incorrect. The reporting data, which are very unreliable, are simply extrapolated. If they test a lot, the numbers are high; if they test little, they are low. It is a scandal that these figures are used as guidance (for policy)’

‘The threat of mutations is nothing more than propaganda. The studies do not show it. Of course, one must continue to observe. But it seems that where there are strong mutations, the numbers go down. Viruses always change anyway. And even the British variant, which is supposedly so contagious, has not yet developed into a major problem in practice.’

Good stuff, and worth reading in full, as they say. Apologies if anything has been lost in translation.

‘Chancellor suffers from Cuba syndrome – she only permits one opinion’

https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/massive-kritik-am-merkel-kurs-mediziner-kanzlerin-leidet-unter-kuba-syndrom-sie-laesst-nur-noch-eine-meinung-zu_id_12971235.html

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416895 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 6, #753 of 1737 🔗

I should also have mentioned the last question in the interview:

Q: And when will we get rid of Sars-CoV-2?

Prof. Schrappe: ‘Never. We’re going to have to live with the virus, with the illnesses it causes, and we’ll take care of those who get sick. Children will get infected, acquire partial immunity, and when they get infected again as adults, they’ll get the sniffles. That’s how it will be’.

416771 Anti_socialist, 3, #754 of 1737 🔗
416774 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 16, #755 of 1737 🔗

The tyrant is saying he wants to make freedom irreversible. I don’t believe him he just wants to extend lockdown for as long as possible.

As soon as Ferguson releases another model it’ll be back into lockdown immediately.

416794 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Silver cat, 2, #756 of 1737 🔗

I shall believe it when I see it.

416795 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Silver cat, 17, #757 of 1737 🔗

I’d like to make Ferguson fully reversible – into a wall by an articulated lorry.

416925 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #758 of 1737 🔗

Just put Ferguson between the irresistible force and the immovable object, then ratchet both up to maximum.

416939 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Silver cat, 2, #759 of 1737 🔗

Freedom is certainly irreversible.
It is our Common Law birthright.
The sooner people assert their Common Law rights, the sooner the Covid Travesty will be over.

416775 bebophaircut, 3, #760 of 1737 🔗

Mark Windows Covid Protest Social Engineering back in November, 2020, mentions Webinars to brainwash children into the ER cult. Enfield Climate Action Forum. Minute 17.

https://www.spreaker.com/user/markwindows/covid-protest-social-engineers

416784 danny, replying to danny, 26, #761 of 1737 🔗

It’s only a mask….
Cannot remember who said it but every time I see somebody sporting a mask with pictures or patterns on it I am reminded of the comparison made to slavery, and a slave deciding to add glitter to brighten up their shackles.
Then there are those skin colour pink masks that are even worse, as from a distance it looks as if the wearer’s face has started to drip and they’ve lost their mouth and nose, like an escaped shop mannequin.
Will never wear one but if I did, it would read “muzzled by law” or worse across the front. That or I’d take to wearing a selection of diving bells, wetsuits, bee-keeping costumes, just to annoy the virtue signalers.

416796 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to danny, 7, #762 of 1737 🔗

I was wondering if I’d get grief for a shirt saying
“Your mask makes me sick” ?
With a mask logo in a red circle with a line through it.

416811 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #763 of 1737 🔗

Lol! yep you would. How about “Dirty fingers touching filthy face rags spreads Covid.” on a T shirt. I mean, that’s just an objective statement of fact isn’t it?

416821 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to OKUK, 2, #764 of 1737 🔗

I’m very tempted as the weather warms up.

417140 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #765 of 1737 🔗

If masks did not exist, then the powers that be would have to invent them.

416801 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to danny, 3, #766 of 1737 🔗

Yes, the bee keeping one would be good as it’s not really a face covering, but who’s going to challenge you.

416838 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to OKUK, 1, #767 of 1737 🔗

Bee keepers of the world unite !!!
make it so

416861 ▶▶ Alice, replying to danny, 8, #768 of 1737 🔗

I wondered if anyone noticed that – the most scary masks are those where the colour is close to the colour of the wearer’s face. It looks like their faces were obliterated.

416921 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alice, 5, #769 of 1737 🔗

Their faces ARE obliterated. That’s what us so nauseating about a maskoid.

416888 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to danny, #770 of 1737 🔗

The guidance document actually says “face covering”.
So a beekeepers hat perfectly fine.
In Germany it actually says ” a tight woven fabric which covers the nose and mouth tightly fitting to the skin”
Scarves etc are explicitly excluded.

417060 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Silke David, #771 of 1737 🔗

Zorro mask would suffice too

416914 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to danny, 2, #772 of 1737 🔗

Short snappy phrases written on a mask could be interesting, eg:

THIS DOES NOT WORK
WORN UNDER DURESS
SCAM
TYRANNY
etc

417025 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, 1, #773 of 1737 🔗

I have “I resent being forced to wear this” on one and “This is what a dystopia looks like” on another. I know I’m now going to get pilloried on here for ever wearing one but *shrugs* we all do what we can.

417430 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Cranmer, #774 of 1737 🔗

Look on Ickes site at conspiracy t shirts.co. for many examples of these messages on masks and t. shirts

416960 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to danny, 2, #775 of 1737 🔗

Some of the learners will have graduated by now.

416971 ▶▶ CGL, replying to danny, 1, #776 of 1737 🔗

There is only one purpose for using masks

416974 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 5, #777 of 1737 🔗

and again

417042 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to danny, 2, #778 of 1737 🔗

I watched a video recently of a chap who painted a blue surgical mask on his face, nobody noticed or said anything whilst he strolled around various shops and some cretinous security guards posed for selfies with him, they thought it was hilarious. Silly twats didn’t realise the joke was on them.

416798 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 22, #779 of 1737 🔗

Another day, another LS headline following the MSM news narrative: “Vaccination will make you free.”

“Time to re-open?”, the pathetic headline asks. Well if you accept the logic of the people pushing the vaccine dogma, people like Professor Edmunds from Imperial College, then the answer is a resounding NO! Implicit in accepting the vaccine narrative is the idea that we must defer to the “experts”: SAGE, epidemiologists, Big Pharma, the NHS, chief advisors to Government and so on.

They will all tell you vaccination is not 100% effective and that if we lift lockdowns now the teriffying mutant viruses will get a hold and we will be back to square one. So if the LS editorial staff really can’t answer the question themselves, they are condemning us to six months minimum more lockdown, vaccine passporting and probably permanent, compulsory facial disfigurement (masking) in public.

Most people here understand that something along the lines of the Great Barrington Declaration is the only way forward and always has been. It does not depend on vaccination. A combination of sensible public health advice, shielding of the vulnerable, and use of cheap effective treatments will address the risks involved with the virus.

Vaccination is of highly dubious value. We know for instance the flu vaccine is only partially effective and interferes with the body’s ability to deal with other respiratory viral infections – maybe the reason why SARS got a grip on populations in the first place. If a respiratory disease vaccine is successful then it leaves the way open for another novel pathogen to establish itself in the human population.

We also know through hundreds of thousands of cases worldwide that vaccines can damage otherwise healthy people. That is a huge ethical question mark over vaccination. Do we want to give healthy people diseases such as Bells Palsy, GBS, narcolepsy etc

416812 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 18, #780 of 1737 🔗

You know as well as I and many others on here do that the “vaccine” is simply the gateway to more “vaccines”, to be made effectively mandatory by the digital health passport.

As widely predicted, hundreds of large corporations have already signed up for this, so will be making it mandatory for their employees.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9257973/City-firms-start-using-digital-health-passports-staff-office.html

No vaccine = total exclusion from society. I am losing count of the number of times I’ve said this.

416840 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 7, #781 of 1737 🔗

Indeed it is a “gateway drug” to total social addiction to vaccines. Whereas addicts want to be “high” and anxiety free, society wants to be “safe” and anxiety-free.

416827 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to OKUK, 6, #782 of 1737 🔗

VAKZINE MACHT FREI

416833 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #783 of 1737 🔗

Sorry, snap. Great minds etc.

416848 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #784 of 1737 🔗

Sorry? Don’t be sorry, keep saying it! This is literally what the government are saying. It’s fucking unreal.

416835 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to GrannySlayer, 2, #785 of 1737 🔗

In exactly the same way as this phrase’s famous predecessor made you free i.e. imprisoned in a concentration camp.

416866 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #786 of 1737 🔗

Corbyn says it, he gets arrested, Gov. say it, they get praised. Scary stuff.

416832 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to OKUK, 3, #787 of 1737 🔗

Vaccine macht frei.

416912 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to OKUK, 5, #788 of 1737 🔗

6 months extra shutdown inevitably leads to 12, that is why it is so important they can’t hold on to any of these current restrictions. Bunter has to be tied to his irreversible comment today by Tory mp’s in the 1922. ALL these restrictions have to go muzzles distancing the lot by the end of May at the outside. Ferguscum, Scally and their paymasters are playing for this to last 6 months, just before this years virus season begins.

416950 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to OKUK, 1, #789 of 1737 🔗

Too many $AGE “Expert$”

416809 bebophaircut, #790 of 1737 🔗

One of the sponsors of the March 21 2021 March on London is StandupX. At minute 30 of Mark Windows Covid Protest Social Engineering he tells us that StanupX is part of a Climate Action group. Oops!

416814 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #791 of 1737 🔗

Anyone know if surgeons are allowed beards? At work anymore than a days growth means that your dust mask is deemed not too be effective.

416834 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #792 of 1737 🔗

That’s me fooked, i’ve been growing a beard since day one of lockdowns.

416839 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, #793 of 1737 🔗

Me too, I’m like Grizzly Adams at the mo.

416855 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #794 of 1737 🔗

I describe my current hairstyle as “troglodyte” – credit to Desmond Swayne for the description. He referred to our current lifestyle in general, not just appearance.

416872 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #795 of 1737 🔗

More like Gandalf here, sometimes it nearly suffocates me in my sleep & i think i’m wearing a mask.

416874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #796 of 1737 🔗

!

416913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #797 of 1737 🔗

Mr Grace was taken to task
For never wearing a mask.
Lord, how the zombies cheered
When he finally shaved off his beard.

416846 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #798 of 1737 🔗

Yes, on religious grounds – I think. It would be discrimination otherwise, wouldn’t it?

416860 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #799 of 1737 🔗

These guys have got it sorted – no way any pesky bug will get through those beards.

416904 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #800 of 1737 🔗

A classic fallacious argument, “Well, if masks don’t work, then why do surgeons wear them?”
 https://www.sott.net/article/438827-A-classic-fallacious-argument-If-masks-dont-work-then-why-do-surgeons-wear-them

417114 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Victoria, 2, #801 of 1737 🔗

Another fallacious argument: . Asian people wear masks all the time.

Taken on my travels of the far east in 2017 and 2018.

417059 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #802 of 1737 🔗

I’ve never come across a surgeon who had a beard.
But then again,surgeons don’t wear masks to prevent viral infections….

416815 James Leary #KBF, 3, #803 of 1737 🔗

Sheer numbers vaccinated is SUCH an Anglo-Saxon capitalist ideal. No – the ‘Commuinitaire’ nature of the EU response is so much more important. Égalité in the midst of shortages should be enough in itself to ward off the bug. Edging towards Mao …. but then it is the Guardian.

I’ve shared ‘The view from Brussels: EU vaccine rollout better than Britain’s’ with you from Spectator

https://app.spectator.co.uk/2021/02/15/the-view-from-brussels-eu-vaccine-rollout-better-than-britains/content.html

416825 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 71, #804 of 1737 🔗

So apparently Wancock himself has said that we won’t need vax passports to go to Tesco. Only to leave the country.

There are lots of people out there saying that they were testing the waters etc, and there was too much of a backlash. Maybe. More likely it was deliberately put out this way to make people feel relief that the passport will “only” be for travel. Having to produce documents to go shopping is a step too far for most reasonable people, but they will now accept an international travel document when they wouldn’t have done so before, because it’s so much better than what Raab said yesterday.

Criminal levels of manipulation.

416841 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to A. Contrarian, 27, #805 of 1737 🔗

Having to produce documents to go shopping is a step too far for most reasonable people

I disagree. An absolute majority of the UK population will submit to whatever the state tells them to do. There are no limits.

416865 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Richard O, 2, #806 of 1737 🔗

In particular the enforcers in the Civil service and businesses.
The latter more and more also because they are becoming ever more dependent upon the revenues from sales to the government and its related organisations day by day.

416908 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 4, #807 of 1737 🔗

The zombie goons are neither reasonable nor people.

416864 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #808 of 1737 🔗

That means they are 100% going to do it

416876 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #809 of 1737 🔗

I’m sure they will, but I think they will seed the idea first by only requiring it for international travel, then expand it later once people are used to it.

416869 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #810 of 1737 🔗

Were his lips moving? If so he’s lying.

416907 ▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #811 of 1737 🔗

True, but imagine the backlash if white people were allowed in the store and black people weren’t..

417319 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #812 of 1737 🔗

On the other hand it could be phased implementation like the lockdowns… International Travel vaccine passport = 3 weeks to flatten the curve.

Still International travel is a huge thing for a lot of people – retired people like to go on a lot of holidays. My inlaws used to go abroad once a month on holiday. Business travellers used to always be flying all over the place, seeing clients, potential clients, conferences, shows etc. Sports people tend to travel a lot. So it would be interesting to see the % of people who would need the vaccine travel passport.

416829 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #813 of 1737 🔗

Minute 37 Mark exposes the strategy of StandupX.

416836 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #814 of 1737 🔗

Beware of Mimetic Warfare.

416849 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #815 of 1737 🔗

StandupX controls the narrative of protest groups. Minute 49 to 50.

416877 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #816 of 1737 🔗

I don’t know much about protest groups – I went to protests as an individual.

417016 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to bebophaircut, #817 of 1737 🔗

Minute 37 of what?

416837 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 88, #818 of 1737 🔗

Two of the Bro’s just been for there jabs both at separate locations,both carrying 4g tablets with bookmarked tell all video and webpage vaccine information..Bros got talking to people in line telling them they were still undecided as to taking jab and wanted to hear the opinion of the experts giving the jab on the information on the tablets as death figures and side effects were most disturbing…Of course folks wanted to see disturbing information and the Bro’s obliged,in total 9 people said fuck this and vacated building vowing to tell friends and never return..On getting to the nurse doing jabs Bros said they needed reassurance on safety of vaccine then let rip with tablet info,the Fucks were speechless.. Needless to say Bro’s had no intention of being vaccinated and said they would need more time to think about it..Rinse repeat on second, third, fourth visit..

416843 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 28, #819 of 1737 🔗

I wish I lived near Bruce and the Bro’s – I would feel… safer!

416845 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 20, #820 of 1737 🔗

Project Mayhem!

416856 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to GrannySlayer, 32, #821 of 1737 🔗

Were at war my friend anything to show our contempt..

416863 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #822 of 1737 🔗

Then kick up a stink as to why your records haven’t been updated with the jab
sound

416870 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #823 of 1737 🔗

Brilliant!

416885 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #824 of 1737 🔗

Hats off to you & your Bro’s, Sir! 🙂

416923 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bruce Reynolds, -3, #825 of 1737 🔗

What are the physical logistics of this Bruce? What I mean is – do you give your name at the door and could head straight for the exit? Is there police on site?

416967 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #826 of 1737 🔗

Bruce, this is so good to hear. I tried with the one friend who said they were going to get the jab, and I don’t know if he ever did. Brave action by your Bros, and appreciated!

416985 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #827 of 1737 🔗

Great story!!! It’s the Resistance! The Rebel Alliance. These people are going into the trenches to save people. Wonderful!

417077 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #828 of 1737 🔗

Any chance you could film the next time and share?
Would be a lot more compelling.

417266 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #829 of 1737 🔗

Brill Bro!

417322 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #830 of 1737 🔗

Outstanding!!!!! Great work.

416850 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 22, #831 of 1737 🔗

I just heard an old friend of mine, 45 years old, recently died of cancer – as I predicted, this year, unlike last, we will all know people who have died – either from the ‘vaccine,’ or from the lockdown [eg undetected, untreated cancers] – and as in this case their deaths will be attributed to ‘covid’ as they will be tested for it on their death-beds with the fraudulent PCR tests. I feel quite shaken by the news, – she had a teenage son – but I expect many more to follow in the months to come – the REAL death spike will start now.

416875 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #832 of 1737 🔗

This is awful news, I am so sorry JaneHarry.

There will be more to follow unfortunately due to treatments and appointments being suspended to ‘save the NHS’. I still don’t know anyone who has been hospitalised with, let alone died of covid , but I do know someone who died of cancer due to their treatment being repeatedly postponed last May.

416882 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #833 of 1737 🔗

Heartbreaking. So very sorry to hear this.

416905 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #834 of 1737 🔗

Very sorry to hear this.
We know the truth.
We will remember. Bear up.

416982 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #835 of 1737 🔗

So very sorry to hear of your loss, Jane. We have descended, so fast, into this tyrannical state where there is a complete suspension of health services to people with any other condition than an upper respiratory infection that may or may not be caused by a coronavirus (not novel if it’s been around for a year or more). This feels like a sinister push towards forcing all human beings into being injected with a drug labelled a “vaccine” but is in experimental/trial phase so should not be called anything of the sort. I think the world has fallen apart. All we can do is hang tight and hope more people start to wake up and question the massacre. We must record our experiences, educate our children, and hope that those on OUR frontline (the lawyers and professionals fighting against censorship to tell the truth) can help bring down the perpetrators of this hell. Make sure you get hugs. Sending virtual ones!

417324 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to JaneHarry, #836 of 1737 🔗

Ah this will be the 3rd wave of Covid 19, or the new “Covid 21” maybe?

416851 Steeve, 6, #837 of 1737 🔗

Anyway nurses are coming out of retirement to help with the vaccinations. Voluntary? No – paid.

416853 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #838 of 1737 🔗

Corona Anschluss hear from care home whistle-blower. The stats are:

– 35 residents
– 31 vaccinated in December
– 4 unvaccinated all fine
– 7 vaccinated died
– 1 vaccinated on end of life care
– 11 others vaccinated visibly struggling, fatigue, low motivation, character change

https://mobile.twitter.com/HowardSteen4/status/1361234990219034627

416858 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #839 of 1737 🔗

Quote:
“an elderly lady lying unsuspectingly in bed who began to resist the second dose was restrained by two members of the nursing staff in order to overcome her resistance – again without the necessary court order”

416862 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #840 of 1737 🔗

I really do wonder how these modern day Nurse Ratcheds live with themselves. I hope there will be a day of reckoning.

416867 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #841 of 1737 🔗

And suddenly we’re in 1940s Japan.

416859 JayBee, 3, #842 of 1737 🔗
416880 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #843 of 1737 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/15/creating-conditions-next-pandemic-antibiotics

The Grauniad pumping the fear factor up to another level – the next pandemic is antibiotic resistance. But on the positive side, Bill and Melinda are funding research about it.

416893 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #844 of 1737 🔗

Thats brilliant, NOT – all the handsanitizers (and antibacterial cleaners) are doing a great job in making people antibiotic resistant

416942 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 3, #845 of 1737 🔗

Perhaps not developing any new antibiotics since the late 80s was another part of depopulation plan.

416999 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 2, #846 of 1737 🔗

It’s not making people antibiotic resistant.
It’s making the bacteria that infect people antibiotic resistant.

416903 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #847 of 1737 🔗

And what creates resistance? Slathering your hands with antibacterial gunk. As recommended by the rules that the Guardian is so fond of.

416884 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #848 of 1737 🔗

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40227125.html

TLDR: Kerry wants Boris! A local councillor in Kerry wants Boris Johnson to take over for 6 months to oversee “vaccine” rollout. There is stupid and there is brain dead.

416901 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 10, #849 of 1737 🔗

Send Bozo to Kerry, great idea.
Or Connaught. Or, even better, Hell.

417405 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #850 of 1737 🔗

He’ll eat them out of house and home.

416889 JayBee, 19, #851 of 1737 🔗

https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/blog/reason-can-t-prevail-against-an-irrational-opposition/
Which is why we can and will only get our freedom back if we take it, by cutting through the knot, not by trying to untie it.
Meaning we need mass civil disobedience, general strikes etc..

416891 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 6, #852 of 1737 🔗
416896 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, 6, #853 of 1737 🔗

Uh-oh…is this what Bill Gates meant by “the next pandemic”?

416899 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to OKUK, 4, #854 of 1737 🔗

LOCK DOWN AFRICA!

417151 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to OKUK, #855 of 1737 🔗

nah, he just meant the autoimmune deaths from the vaccine kicking in, when he and his minions would invent some new ‘strain’ or other pathogen to distract the brainwashed from the true cause

416915 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to awildgoose, 8, #856 of 1737 🔗

Asymptomatic Ebola in 3, 2, 1…….

416897 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 24, #857 of 1737 🔗

What do we think about the ‘roadmap’ stuff that’s been in the news lately?

Part of me would like to think this is the beginning of the end of lockdowns, but another part of me thinks this is a trick, like vaccines, to keep the public on side as a raft of sinister ‘reforms’ etc are brought in.

I guess we’ll only be sure if we begin come out of lockdown and then they start re-imposing it, as they did last year.

Until then I’m going to take a leaf out of the government’s propaganda. Instead of ‘act like you’ve got it’, I’m going to ‘act like everything they say is a lie’.

416909 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, 20, #858 of 1737 🔗

It is my position that the authorities have no intention of completely lifting all restrictions, and that the purpose of this roadmap is to pay lip service to the gullible who still think the state has our best interests at heart.

Ideally the government would like to keep the current lockdown in place in perpetuity, however a llowing a slight relaxation and then reimposing tougher measures actually works wonders for demoralising the people even further, so we may see a repeat of this over the summer.

416920 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, 14, #859 of 1737 🔗

I think we’ll see Tier 4 or more every winter and Tier 2 or 3 during summer

Masks, SD, mandatory testing, TT&T, limits on crowd sizes and numbers, mandatory booking everywhere will be with us forever

416955 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Julian, 11, #860 of 1737 🔗

Agree. Unless we see mass civil disobedience. Basically, we will never get our freedom back, we’ll have to take it back, as always in history.
13.3. World Protest Day would be a good opportunity to get started in earnest.
But I fear, the mass disobedience can and will only start once the vaccinated bodies pile up and the cover-up isn’t bought anymore, or when the money has run out via hyperinflation.

417144 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JayBee, #861 of 1737 🔗

except by then it will be too late

417141 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Julian, #862 of 1737 🔗

until 2025, yes – that’s our ‘forever’ – the evil bastards behind this do have an endgame, ie, to manage our extermination

416924 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cranmer, 7, #863 of 1737 🔗

We can never relax our guard whilst these madmen are in government. They continually use the carrot and stick method to keep us in check.

416927 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cranmer, 9, #864 of 1737 🔗

They are trying to head off what would otherwise be very serious resistance in the Spring.

They are in this for the long haul, and just as last year, the aim is to save the lockdown over the warmer months intact, so it can be fully imposed again in Autumn. But they know that serious opposition will end them and destroy their authority. This has all been about saving face (alright, maybe bleeding out money and grabbing power as well), and serious resistance will be exactly the humiliation the regime fears, and we need them to suffer.

417008 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cranmer, 1, #865 of 1737 🔗

They will fish out the weak who believe the vaccine offers a way out by lying to them. Its the line in the sand now.

417050 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cranmer, 4, #866 of 1737 🔗

Act like you have already had the jab
in fact
Insist on your GP updating their records

417124 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cranmer, 1, #867 of 1737 🔗

well, in that case, you won’t go far wrong, because it is

416926 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Victoria, 4, #869 of 1737 🔗

Could it be an inflammatory response exacerbated by the gene therapy treatment?

At least it wasn’t anaphylaxis, right?

416945 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 1, #870 of 1737 🔗

How many deaths does that make in the vaccine trials?

416911 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 20, #871 of 1737 🔗

The government is stark staring bonkers. Reading about the quarantine regs you have to wonder why anyone sane would want to visit this madhouse. I wish I could leave it I really do!

416934 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #872 of 1737 🔗

I’ve felt that way for 20yrs. I have a sister in Perth AUS i once considered going to in 2001, back in 2008 very nearly moved to NZ.

Now I’m glad I did neither for political & practical reasons. I’d like love to leave this corrupt rat race but where to go? Europe is no better, the US is a basket case, Don’t fancy Asia overcrowded as is.

417119 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #873 of 1737 🔗

me too. I don’t want to die, but I want even less to survive without everyone who made my life meaningful

417055 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Victoria, 1, #875 of 1737 🔗

Look who’s back!

416919 Cat Woman, replying to Cat Woman, 22, #876 of 1737 🔗

Had to laugh. The DM put an article out three hours ago about the Pfizer “vaccine”. It is in the top few stories. After only 351 comments, they are no longer accepting comments. I think because a lot of people are rubbishing the vaccine and they can’t keep up with the moderation of the anti comments 😂

416930 ▶▶ Cat Woman, replying to Cat Woman, 6, #877 of 1737 🔗

Now moved out of the main news and into the health section…

416922 Victoria, 7, #878 of 1737 🔗

Y2 child’s school work from Jan 2020

go to school, go to a party, have a friend: basic expectations

Articles 3, 4, 19, 28, 29, 31 of the UN Convention

on the Rights of the Child are pertinent. Have we lost sight of the fundamental importance of this?


https://twitter.com/UsforThemUK/status/1361282869805674496

416929 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #879 of 1737 🔗

Britain opens Door to Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Worrying Experts

US Vaccine expert on mixing the vaccines:

“There are no data on this idea whatsoever,” Officials in Britain “seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess.”

https://twitter.com/InProportion2/status/1360899586068385792

416932 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Victoria, 4, #880 of 1737 🔗

The story of the pandemic.

416943 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 7, #881 of 1737 🔗

I am beginning to think that hundreds of different cocktails are being tried out on the supine UK population. How would we know any different? We cannot trust any information from the political or medical establishment.

416979 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 3, #882 of 1737 🔗

I doubt they are even keeping track, and they cannot possibly measure the effects if they don’t

I spoke to someone the other day who’d been jabbed and asked her if she was having a second dose. Her reply: “I’m not sure” (meaning they didn’t make it clear)

417028 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richard O, 2, #883 of 1737 🔗

supine UK population

Edit* Ovine UK population . There fixed it for you

417029 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richard O, 7, #884 of 1737 🔗

Get the juice into the arms and cash in those kickbacks. That’s all the politicians give a shit about. How best to do that? Scare and confuse the masses.

They don’t give a shit about your job, your health, your relationships, your community, your nation. Nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

Jabs>Arms>Bank

and fuck you very much.

416958 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 8, #885 of 1737 🔗

“Officials in Britain “seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess.” ”

They’ve only just noticed? They abandoned science months ago.

416978 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, 7, #886 of 1737 🔗

The idea that health authorities are actually administering two completely different COVID vaccines to the same person seems utterly preposterous.

Is this really a thing? Does anyone know anyone who has had a dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine and another of the Pfizer one?

416992 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to stewart, 2, #887 of 1737 🔗

I don’t know anyone who has had the second jab yet. I think my aunt will be have the second at the end of the month. Some kind of a hospital scheme for relatives of NHS staff.

417019 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 2, #888 of 1737 🔗

Indeed – it’s no more sensible than chucking various medications down your throat to see what happens.

417036 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Victoria, #889 of 1737 🔗

PIC N MIX

417112 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to primesinister, 2, #890 of 1737 🔗

2 jabs
1 slab

417400 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Victoria, #891 of 1737 🔗

Gives the term drive-by shooting a new meaning.

416935 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #892 of 1737 🔗

Petition
Do not rollout Covid-19 vaccine passports

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

416981 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Victoria, #893 of 1737 🔗

I found that morsel of motivation to sign it! Sad I know.

417111 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steeve, 1, #894 of 1737 🔗

In all futility, I signed days ago, I think the .gov petition thing is just a state wind-up, they’re probably just laughing at us. Its just another data harvesting exercise to put our names on another dissident list.

416936 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 9, #895 of 1737 🔗

Regarding vaccine passports, as the vaccine manufacturers cannot guarantee
a) you are immune
b) you are not infected or can become infected
c) you are not infectious

there is absolutely no value in the vaccine passport from a health point of view; however there is one possible advantage for the country you’re visiting.

If you should be infected then you’re unlikely to require hospitalisation therefore reducing the burden on the local healthcare system. Also, the travel insurance companies may adopt the same view as it should reduce their risk liability.

416964 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 8, #896 of 1737 🔗

If you should be infected then you’re unlikely to require hospitalisation

This cannot possibly be known until all Phase III trials are completed. Or the rollout to the entire global population, whichever is sooner.

416976 ▶▶ Julian, replying to p02099003, 10, #897 of 1737 🔗

there is absolutely no value in the vaccine passport from a health point of view” I long ago stopped believing that any measures taken here or elsewhere were genuinely intended or expected to be of benefit from a health point of view. All measures are purely political theatre or worse. Any “health benefits” mentioned are just spin

416977 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 1, #898 of 1737 🔗

“… there is one possible advantage for …” … the manufacturers : £££££

416937 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 11, #899 of 1737 🔗

Parler is making a comeback:

https://americasvoice.news/justthenews/welcome-back-parler-resumes-social-media-app-after-securing-new-computer-servers/

Last night Mark Windows mentionned a new site called Discord.

416941 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #900 of 1737 🔗

Mark Windows was banned once more on Youtube (GoogleTube).

416949 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #901 of 1737 🔗

Being banned from YouTube is becoming more akin to a badge of honour.

416961 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to bebophaircut, -4, #902 of 1737 🔗

Parler is a Neo-Con honeypot – avoid
Discord is a cesspool of trannies – avoid

417020 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #903 of 1737 🔗

All social media are deep state surveillance assets – avoid!

417093 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, #904 of 1737 🔗

Yes but Parler was so obvious Helen Keller could see it from orbit

417026 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #905 of 1737 🔗

The issue shouldn’t be what kind of people mostly use a platform, but whether it restricts other kinds of speech at all.

Inevitably when “mainstream” platforms tightly control speech, dissenters will be heavily concentrated in the few remaining free speech platforms, or platforms where their particular form of dissent is protected.

Imo there is a strong moral duty to avoid using restricted speech platforms as much as possible, and support free speech platforms, and to at least tolerate those dissenters who are not tolerated in mainstream society.

417048 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #906 of 1737 🔗

I agree but the trouble is we will end up with some platforms that support free speech and some that don’t, and the people who you’d probably want to hearing your free speech won’t use platforms that allow it, so you have a series of echo chambers

If governments could be trusted, I think the ideal solution is for big tech platforms to be forced not to censor anything as a condition of doing business, but generally speaking governments cannot be trusted and are probably quite happy to let Twitter do their dirty work for them

417056 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #907 of 1737 🔗

I think the ideal solution is for big tech platforms to be forced not to censor anything as a condition of doing business

I agree and if there were the will to implement it, it could be done. You would allow platforms to define as “free speech” or “controlled speech” and have the former fully protected from any responsibility for what is said on them while the latter would be responsible for what they allow to be said.

The problem is that our society is not one that mostly believes in freedom of speech, which requires tolerance. The socially and politically dominant left is the opposite of tolerant of dissent, as evidenced beyond dispute by cancel culture and the disgraceful hate speech laws.

417142 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 1, #908 of 1737 🔗

You can not have corporate entities deciding & dictating the truth or governing who gets to speak. Any social media doing so must be outlawed, but that’s not going to happen because they are doing the establishments bidding already. It’s all thoroughly corrupt. It needs pulling down

417103 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to bebophaircut, #909 of 1737 🔗

I am on Mark’s Discord channel anybody can join it at using this link:

https://discord.gg/PAtFCnvV

You need to download the app and make an account.

It doesn’t get that much use but its a good place to see new info about what he is up to.

There is a channel ran by the “evidence not fear” web site guy “The Crown Virtual Pub” that’s pretty good too.

https://discord.gg/zRdbc8xW

416938 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 37, #910 of 1737 🔗

Ron Desantis governor of Florida, has a simple message. “Lockdowns don’t work”

He is right.

416954 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nottingham69, 16, #911 of 1737 🔗

He speaks a lot of sense. Wasn’t he the one who told Biden where to get off last week?

416995 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to kh1485, 7, #912 of 1737 🔗

Yep.

417015 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nottingham69, 8, #913 of 1737 🔗

I’d still be anti-lockdown if they did.

417022 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #914 of 1737 🔗

Agreed. The cons far outweigh the pros.

417135 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #915 of 1737 🔗

I don’t have to justify my freedom.

417136 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #916 of 1737 🔗

Indeed they do

Beyond the pros and cons, I think there’s a case to be made for lockdowns being wrong on principle because they force you to be responsible for someone else’s health when they should be responsible for their own

417065 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #917 of 1737 🔗

exactly. lots of things might work – doesn’t mean they are moral or we should do them

416948 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #918 of 1737 🔗

The EudraVigilance Database ( http://adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html#… ) for reporting adverse reactions to COVID vaccines was updated today (Feb 13, 2021):

>56,000 suffered ADVERSE reactions

>16,000 are in SERIOUS condition as a result

28% Pfizer’s and 44% of Mederna’s reactions were SERIOUS!

https://twitter.com/NikolovScience/status/1360818227035598849

The Pfizer vaccine has a much more adverse reactions than the Moderna vaccine, simply because the Pfizer vaccine has been administered to a lot more Europeans than the Moderna vaccine. But the Moderna vaccine causes a much higher percentage of SERIOUS conditions (44%) than Pfizer

https://twitter.com/NikolovScience/status/1360819723059875840

Note that both vaccines cause the most serious health conditions in nearly the same reaction groups

Gastrointestinal disorders

General disorders

Musculoskeletal & Connective Tissue disorders

Nervous System Disorders

Respiratory disorders

Skin & subcutaneous tissue disorders

https://twitter.com/NikolovScience/status/1360822434341953539

416956 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Victoria, 2, #919 of 1737 🔗

At least this is getting reported. Surely the FDA can’t overlook this.

417000 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 7, #920 of 1737 🔗

I suffer from ulcerative colitis and this falls under gastrointestinal disorders. The charities for this and Chrons have been absolutely shocking in their immediate backing of these vaccines. They UK ones I follow said as early as December that people should know they are safe. No data for sufferers supported this.

Absolutely disgusting

Thanks for this. Gives me personal ammo for work and to call the charity out.

417004 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #921 of 1737 🔗

If the “vaccines” lead to more people with such conditions, those who work for those organisations become more secure in their employment.

416975 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #924 of 1737 🔗

A study was done on 25,000 school-aged children on the impact of masks.

– 53% increased headaches

– 50% difficulty concentrating

– 42% malaise

– 37% drowsiness

– 29% shortness of breath

– 26% experienced dizziness

– 1/3 had more issues sleeping

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1360836333158162433

416993 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 16, #925 of 1737 🔗

Some of the responses show how idiotic the mask debate has become. People saying “this study was not peer reviewed and is survey based. Mostly observational, not robust”, yeah like sceptics have been saying about the pro mask studies since day 1.

417058 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #926 of 1737 🔗

Oh yeah, and the double-masking study done by the CDC using dummies was very robust!

416980 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 23, #927 of 1737 🔗

Electronic billboard next to road

Trusting Bill Gates with your health is like trusting Jeffrey Epstein with your daughter

https://twitter.com/istoked/status/1360891125930881026

417018 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 2, #928 of 1737 🔗

Or Gary Glitter, Jimmy S, or Rolf

417033 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cecil B, 2, #929 of 1737 🔗

…or any member of the royal family.

417035 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Victoria, #930 of 1737 🔗

daddy

416989 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 23, #931 of 1737 🔗

Johnson, when Blair proposed ID cards a few years back.

Let’s never let him forget these words.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1360845589001490433

416998 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 17, #932 of 1737 🔗

The fat fucker would bring eating into it

417027 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Victoria, 1, #933 of 1737 🔗

That’s such a great tweet I decided to save it in the wayback machine. It saved but all I got was this https://web.archive.org/web/20210215150006/https://pbs.twimg.com/hashflag/config-2021-02-15-15.json

Any idea what any of that means and why it’s happened?

417031 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Victoria, 3, #934 of 1737 🔗

How does anyone ever fall for that contrived ‘I’m a bloody Englishman and my home is my castle!’ persona he adopts?

417063 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Victoria, 1, #935 of 1737 🔗

yeh, but the mutants

417085 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 3, #936 of 1737 🔗

The festering sack of poop is never going to be able to say or write anything again. He is finished in every way. Burn Boris.

417418 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Victoria, #937 of 1737 🔗

He still has an airport broom to swallow, I think.

417005 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 12, #938 of 1737 🔗

interestingly – all those over 80’s who died of covid, suspiciously justafter their first Pfizer jab, are not available now to pass away at their allotted times – hence the current dip in over 80s deaths that the vaccine is taking credit for – ironic….

those that survived the first salvo must be shitting themselves – its nearly time for ding-ding-round 2…..

417039 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Major Panic, 5, #939 of 1737 🔗

Be interesting to compare how many second jabs there are compared to the first lot won’t it.

417045 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to leggy, 7, #940 of 1737 🔗

yes – we’ve been destroying lives and the economy to save the frail elderly – only to finish them off with an experimental vaccine – strange times…

417090 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Major Panic, 6, #941 of 1737 🔗

except that we haven’t been doing any such thing: – . https://rumble.com/vdsfu1-john-waters.html – John Waters refers to a Canadian doctor who explains the April spike [the only piece of 2020 data that does require any explanation, ie, because it deviates from normal regular patterns over decades] in terms of vulnerable old people succumbing to illnesses brought on by fear and stress, when they were locked away from their families, and blasted with propaganda informing them they were being stalked by a deadly disease. He says that this spike was factored into the plans, to kick-start the psyop, we are really dealing with a level of evil here that a short time ago we were fortunate enough never to have suspected existed

417096 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #942 of 1737 🔗

oh, and he also referred to some information from the World Bank that got out, and which put a start and end date on the ‘covid project’ – 2025: so that’s when we’ll all be dead by.

417108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #943 of 1737 🔗

I’m not sure you’re on the same page

417043 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Major Panic, 5, #944 of 1737 🔗

Is it the Pfizer jab rather than the Astra-Zeneca one that is particularly causing harmful reactions?

417046 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #945 of 1737 🔗

I bet no one is keeping track of it. Either the NHS or the tossers being vaccinated. Perfect for obfuscating the results and giving plausible deniability further down the line.

417052 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #946 of 1737 🔗

probably both – my neighbour, in her 80s and very healthy, had the AZ jab and had no reaction at all – my old man, late seventies – was bolloxed for a couple days after his – my guess is, if your very frail then these jabs are a massive short term risk (yes i know the long term risk is massive too but we can only look at short term evidence in the short term)

417086 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, 1, #947 of 1737 🔗

What makes you say that the over 80s deaths have dipped?

Do you mean less all cause deaths in the over 80s or less over 80s all cause deaths relative to under 80s all cause deaths?

And over what period do you think they’ve dropped?

417105 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #948 of 1737 🔗

I mean that after the obvious increase in mortality (blamed on covid) within a short time of the first vaccine (pfizer) being given to over 80’s the over 80’s deaths shot up – as was obvious from the charts posted on here a few short weeks ago.

All iv been hearing in the last week or so is how the jab is working cos less over 80’s are dying

try and keep up – its impossible when you have to keep explaining the basics – its irritating

417154 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, 2, #949 of 1737 🔗

There has been an increase in all cause deaths registered in all age groups in England and Wales including the over 80s since the first jabs happened in December.

There has been a very marginal fall absolutely in over 80s all cause deaths over the last week (from week ending 22nd January to the week ending 29th January) but that fall percentage wise is less than in the under 80s.

I can’t see any real criteria by which you can say over 80s deaths have fallen save this very marginal fall from 22nd to 29th January, we are still above the level of deaths for any other week in the Winter in the over 80s.

417165 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #950 of 1737 🔗

well on the news they said there were less over 80’s dying the last few days claiming the vaccine is working but that may be because they have already died in january – after their first jab – that spike left a gap…

417180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, 1, #951 of 1737 🔗

ONS data out tomorrow, so that should show a fall in all cause deaths for the latest week, but the question is will the fall be higher in the over 80s relative to the under 80s.

The proportion of covid labelled deaths that are in the over 80s so far hasn’t really changed since the vaccination programme started. Again we shall see if that is still the case, if it is it will be evidence the vaccination programme isn’t working.

417118 ▶▶ alw, replying to Major Panic, 6, #952 of 1737 🔗

We save their lives by having lockdown and then kill them with the vaccine. Couldn’t make it up.

417129 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to alw, 4, #953 of 1737 🔗

and yet they could have been safely treated with drugs that have been around for decades, but safe treatment = no emergency approval for vaccines….

this is not about saving lives…. $$$$$$

417012 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #954 of 1737 🔗

𝗖𝗔𝗡 𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥𝗬𝗢𝗡𝗘 𝗣𝗟𝗘𝗔𝗦𝗘 𝗦𝗛𝗔𝗥𝗘 𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥𝗬𝗪𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘!

𝗜𝗻𝘃𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗴𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 – ‘Why do authorities desperately want to vaccinate every man, woman and child in the UK?’

MP’s and SAGE members heavily invested in the vaccine industry.

https://twitter.com/thedaily_expose/status/1360223536418353155

417076 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Victoria, 7, #955 of 1737 🔗

yeh – but I’m afraid it’s a lot worse than a usual money-making scam: the shares are probably their reward for services rendered

417199 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 3, #956 of 1737 🔗

The thing is, it’s every nation in the world so I don’t think money alone is the answer. IT’S TO FACILITATE THE CULL OF MAN

417013 Cecil B, 2, #957 of 1737 🔗

Two more lives destroyed by the dictatorship

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56071168

417024 primesinister, 6, #958 of 1737 🔗

covid jab gives yoo the kungfloooo , a freind of mine got the jab feels like shit so i phone her doctor they say is it like floo symptons i say yea they say yea it does that so what happens to old people who cant ride the kungflooo tide.

417051 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 52, #959 of 1737 🔗

I’m thinking of trying to undermine this shit show,Despite refusing Satans Spunk and refuse further pcr testing I continue to get Nursing assignments.
Can anybody suggest any ideas ?I’m embedded in the Care Home sector?.Last week I smuggled in a late night visitor to see his mum after almost a year!

417061 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Teddy Edward, 38, #960 of 1737 🔗

Last week I smuggled in a late night visitor to see his mum after almost a year!

How sad that it has come to that, but what a wonderful thing for you to have done. I salute you.

417066 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to kh1485, 32, #961 of 1737 🔗

No worries he called over at ten to drop off toiletries. I said your mums six feet away take your mask off because she won’t recognise you so he had his hour.Care staff as usual staring at boys on their smart phones etc usual tripe oblivious to it all.I hung around the residents door guarding and mis directing staff.

417081 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Teddy Edward, 19, #962 of 1737 🔗

Nice one. Gold star.

417100 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 12, #963 of 1737 🔗

Yes – Well done.

417064 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Teddy Edward, 29, #964 of 1737 🔗

You are the second case I have heard of today of a nurse doing their subversive bit by smuggling people in to see relatives.

If you do that, you are probably doing more than most.

Good for you!

417069 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Teddy Edward, 22, #965 of 1737 🔗

I salute you for your brave work for the resistance; I wish I could find something to do other than keyboard warrioring

417078 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Teddy Edward, 12, #966 of 1737 🔗

Perhaps there is good money to be made sneaking the crumblies OUT of care homes and sneaking them back in again after a little meet up with family…Replacing their sleeping bodies with pillows or an automaton…that breaths to fool the guards..with the face of granny 3D printed in latex.
All very misison impossible…..hoist granny up through the roof in the special harness, then onto the zip wire into the back of the “laundry van” and off into the night…

417083 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Teddy Edward, 5, #967 of 1737 🔗

Tick many as you can as already jabbed when the day comes
oops – just an admin error

417106 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Crystal Decanter, 11, #968 of 1737 🔗

The Health Board are in complete control of that.I have refused to vaccinate people already.Principally on the basis is not a Vaccine and is still experimental it’s a white elephant of Horrific proportions.Ive seen staff suffer following the jab and two deaths post jab within their target group.Those that accept the jab should consider a complimentary depot injection to make in roads into their Delusional beliefs.

417092 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Teddy Edward, 7, #969 of 1737 🔗

If you’re serious & you think you have some dirt to dish contact something like UK column. Its far more useful than single acts of sabotage regardless of satisfaction it may provide.

417369 ▶▶ gina, replying to Teddy Edward, 3, #970 of 1737 🔗

blessings on your head.

417053 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 13, #971 of 1737 🔗

“The pursuit of health is a symptom of unhealth. When this pursuit is no longer a personal yearning but part of state ideology, healthism for short, it becomes a symptom of political sickness.”

~ Dr Petr Skrabanek

417094 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bill Gisz, 8, #972 of 1737 🔗

Indeed

Paying taxes to the state to treat us when we are sick makes some sense and is one of a number of possible approaches to health care – if you need an operation you have to pay someone competent to do it – you can’t do it yourself

But paying taxes to the state to nudge, bully or force us to be healthier when we could do all of this without the state is a bit strange, and ends badly (like now) – you end up with the state bullying others to do things that you yourself may not want to do

417095 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bill Gisz, 5, #973 of 1737 🔗

there’s not much profit from a healthy population

417054 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #974 of 1737 🔗

I’d like to know why G4S are still seemingly getting all the big contracts. Who or what are the links to the tory government?

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1360995805512007686

Paul Brand
@PaulBrandITV

NEW: Hotel chains tell us they are only receiving about 40-50% of the £1750 quarantine fee passengers pay. That’s around £70 per night, which also has to cover the 3 meals they must provide. The other £1k or so is presumed to go to G4S for security, plus the two Covid tests.

Have had it confirmed that the remaining 50-60% of the fee goes on Covid testing, transport from the airport to the hotel (a 5 min journey) and a large whack to G4S for security.

417117 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #975 of 1737 🔗

The firms like G4S have been fraudulently coining it for years.

They have added no value (actually subtracted value) to service provision, and sometimes been shown to have engaged in outright fraud.

The interests behind the scams are pretty obvious.

So much for ‘outsourcing’.

417133 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 4, #976 of 1737 🔗

It’s called crony capitalism.

417137 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to RickH, 2, #977 of 1737 🔗

G4S run every prison bar one in Wales apparently, according to a very good friend who is looking to get into the prison service but won’t in Wales (where she lives), because she will not work for them.

417163 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #978 of 1737 🔗

They have the best networks. Simple.

Tenders are largely smoke and mirrors for such things. They need to. Keep the revolving door between MoD and the private sector open so jobs for the boys rae guaranteed.

417057 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 22, #979 of 1737 🔗

I just went past the local jabadrome…guess what….
It’s empty. I saw one covid safety womble. It’s not decommissioned as such just there is nobody there. No staff cars no jabees.

Hummmm

417079 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Two-Six, 5, #980 of 1737 🔗

Don’t let the truth spoil a good story.

417082 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Two-Six, 14, #981 of 1737 🔗

I could wrong and I have no evidence to prove overwise , but I just don’t believe the numbers of vaccinated they are touting .

417062 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 26, #982 of 1737 🔗

Is zero carbon just as bonkers as zero covid? Not according to Uncle Bill Gates. In a piece on the BBC promoting Bill Gates’ book (nice of ’em to do that), Uncle Bill says:

Fifty-one billion is how many tonnes of greenhouse gases the world typically adds to the atmosphere each year. Zero is where we need to get to. Solving climate change would be “the most amazing thing humanity has ever done”, says the billionaire founder of Microsoft. By comparison, ending the pandemic is “very, very easy”, he claims.

But don’t worry because Bill is already doing his bit:

He uses private jets, but insists that they are powered by biofuels – aviation fuels made from plant products. “I pay three times as much now for my aviation fuel, you know, over $7m a year in all my offset spending.”

So he burns up plants covering an area the size of Wales for his own personal use. Such sacrifice. It’s good to know Uncle Bill is on the case to sort out food, fuel, climate, medications, automation, bio-surveillance and everything else – Until we all get to zero and he carries on as before.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56042029

417068 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 10, #983 of 1737 🔗

Zero carbon really is the end of our civilisation. So I expect it to be pursued with relentless zeal once the technocratic slave state to secure Zero Covid is in place.

417073 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Richard O, 5, #984 of 1737 🔗

Yes, been thinking that for some time too. The clue is in the use of the word “zero” by both cults – and we know what zero REALLY means.

417075 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 6, #985 of 1737 🔗

It’s the same cult.

417158 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 2, #986 of 1737 🔗

Precisely.

Get the jab!

Eat the bugs!

Sleep in the pod!

Be happy!

417752 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to godowneasy, #987 of 1737 🔗

I think you’ll find the key word is carbon – code for human.
Maybe Icke was right about the lizards all along!

417169 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Richard O, 4, #988 of 1737 🔗

And climate change denial is a conspiracy theory- we are currently in a grand solar minimum (look it up)- this is an event which happens regardless of anything humans do – the lie of climate change is to enslave us but of course we’re not allowed to say that, are we?

417281 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Richard O, 3, #989 of 1737 🔗

Zero Carbon = Zero Life

417070 ▶▶ stewart, replying to godowneasy, 7, #990 of 1737 🔗

What a psychopath

417072 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to godowneasy, 1, #991 of 1737 🔗

Speechless!

417074 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to godowneasy, 8, #992 of 1737 🔗

“Fifty-one billion is how many tonnes of greenhouse gases the world typically adds to the atmosphere each year” which is 0.0415% per year! Put the data in the context you bloody moron Gates! We are adding 1% to the atmosphere in about 22yrs!

417088 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to godowneasy, 4, #993 of 1737 🔗

Biofuels like that are a danger to the food supply.

417189 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to this is my username, 2, #994 of 1737 🔗

Maybe that’s why he wants so much farmland?

417687 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to leggy, #995 of 1737 🔗

I doubt he’ll grow anything on that land – he’ll probably rewild it.

417089 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, #996 of 1737 🔗

Is zero carbon just as bonkers as zero covid?”

It’s a totally different debate, and the terms aren’t parallel – despite some desiring to hitch it to the Covid wagon.

Confusing the two is a massive distraction from the Covid issue, and if I was working for 77th Brigade, I’d be peddling the false equivalence like fury!

417167 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 6, #997 of 1737 🔗

They both curtail freedoms so they are the same for me. I give it just a short time for lockdowns to be called to lower carbon levels.

417173 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to RickH, 4, #998 of 1737 🔗

You can decide to see them as separate debates if you wish. But the big players in the COVID “debate”, including Bill Gates, are the same players in the rapidly emerging green deal / global warming / carbon debate.

417187 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to RickH, 4, #999 of 1737 🔗

I’m convinced the two things are inextricably linked. You’re very likely to find the same people driving both covid and climate woo behind the scenes.

417249 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to leggy, 2, #1000 of 1737 🔗

Yes they are linked, if they were not why is the PM twittering on about all his so called new found fondness for all things “green”.

417110 ▶▶ richmond, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1001 of 1737 🔗

Well, he’s right. Ending the pandemic is very easy. We just stop talking about it. Same with “climate change”. Same with racism, funnily enough. See the video where Denzil Washington says exactly that.

417183 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to richmond, 3, #1002 of 1737 🔗

Agreed.

Just look how the MSM narrative has been used to talk so many dreadful things into reality.

417128 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1003 of 1737 🔗

Total virtue-signalling scam.

417071 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 4, #1004 of 1737 🔗

Irreversible – we all know that’s BS

417101 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Silver cat, 3, #1005 of 1737 🔗

And it’s “World Class”

417087 stevie, replying to stevie, 5, #1006 of 1737 🔗

No Shit Sherlock
For example “Just three weeks to flatten the curve”

Giving dates for when lockdown restrictions can be lifted could result in people feeling “hopeless and helpless” if they are not met, Prof Stephen Reicher has said.
The member of the Scientific Pandemic Insights Group on Behaviours (SPI-B) which advises the government, said the approach needed to be “more constructive”.
He told the PA news agency:

If things don’t happen on that date then people begin to be hopeless and helpless. You begin to have a sense of ‘look, there’s nothing we can do’, and that sense of helplessness is very damaging psychologically.

I think it’s far more constructive to say to people ‘this is what we can do to get infections down’, to give people something active to do.

417099 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stevie, 11, #1007 of 1737 🔗

If I were a cynic I would say he’s making a case for never giving anyone any hope, so it cannot be dashed. Permanent restrictions.

417138 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 6, #1008 of 1737 🔗

Haven’t plenty of people suggested that life will basically have to be like this going forward?

They’re definitely working on creating a consensus for it.

417102 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to stevie, 5, #1009 of 1737 🔗

At least they are admitting that continuously pushing back the “release” date has a significant psychological impact.

417131 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stevie, 10, #1010 of 1737 🔗

To reach zero covid we need zero testing, zero vaccines, zero government interference.

&

Zero psychologists advising government.

417162 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1011 of 1737 🔗

Vague memories of the steps within trauma-based hypnotism – isn’t there a component/phase wherein the bad guys actually brief the traumatees on the mechanism ?

Sounds like what this Reicher twat is up to.

417176 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JohnB, 1, #1012 of 1737 🔗

Evil “scientist” without any science involved.

417412 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1013 of 1737 🔗

Ct down to 23 would already do it.
As done so in OZ/NZ….

417188 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stevie, 2, #1014 of 1737 🔗

Strikes me as a variation on the standard doctor’s approach of downplaying the chances of recovery, so that if the patient dies, he can’t be blamed, but if he recovers, the doctor is viewed as a miracle worker. I understand the reasons for doing this on an individual level, but to apply this to entire populations is little short of psychopathic.

417098 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 20, #1015 of 1737 🔗

Friend of my old mum has received her FITH reminder to go and have the snake oil, how desperate can these fuckers be..

417109 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #1016 of 1737 🔗

Just had my 11th text. I logged onto site and was able to confirm that I didn’t want the vaccine. Was also able to add a very limited reason why.

417104 alw, replying to alw, 33, #1017 of 1737 🔗

Dr. Marcus De Brun
@indepdubnrth
·
5h

Lockdown prevents Natural Immunity. It forces entire populations to be completely dependent upon short term “vaccine” immunity. It causes worse seasonal resurgence of the virus, and it hurts and kills, all kinds of vulnerable people

Lockdown is not the solution. Its the problem!

417107 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to alw, 10, #1018 of 1737 🔗

Basic evolutionary science. We know that isolation leads to more variants.

417409 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to alw, 2, #1019 of 1737 🔗

Prof. Gupta&co are saying this since a year now.

417116 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1020 of 1737 🔗

Majorca Daily Bulletin: Ignore the government and book your holiday to Mallorca, says travel industry.
https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2021/02/15/79285/travel-mallorca-ignore-the-warnings.html

417126 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #1021 of 1737 🔗

Desperation. Love it.

This nightmare doesn’t end until people are fed up of suffering, so desperation is music to my ears.

417185 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to stewart, 4, #1022 of 1737 🔗

Indeed if it does end, that’s the only way it will – through desperation rather than an abstract love of freedom, which has all but been extinguished in Britain.

417221 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to stewart, #1023 of 1737 🔗

This is desperation to get as much money as they can from gullible customers who genuinely believe that when their holidays are cancelled they will get a refund. They won’t.

417261 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1024 of 1737 🔗

Would be interesting if there is contact with the Save our Summer campaign team or group of businesses supporting it, they could then be contacted frequently to say happy to support you if you do not support vaccine passports, negative tests or masks. Maybe if they realised people may not support them they would listen?

417120 Crystal Decanter, 6, #1025 of 1737 🔗

Two jabs – one slab

417143 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to peyrole, 10, #1027 of 1737 🔗

I don’t need a vaccine, i have a healthy immune system that sorts all that stuff out for me.
Unfortunately some countries that I want to go to may demand to see evidence of vaccination when I try to enter their countries – that’s the problem what needs solving….

417171 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peyrole, 5, #1028 of 1737 🔗

Vitamin D does a better job & it’s free.

417738 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1029 of 1737 🔗

Not at the moment in this country. Sun doesn’t get high enough yet for skin to manufacture any D. Supplements are cheap though.

417312 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to peyrole, #1030 of 1737 🔗

What if you’re a mouth breather?

417122 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 19, #1031 of 1737 🔗

Jab-a-wokey

‘Twas chilly, and the slimy toads
Conspired around the cabinet table.
A mystery were the viral loads
And the take up rates unstable.

Beware the Jabbing centre, son!
The sleeve up-rolled, the potent vax!
Beware the chubby nurse and shun
Auto-immune attacks.

He took his appointment card in hand
Long time the jabbing centre sought –
So rested he by a handy tree
And stood there lost in thought.

And as he hesitantly stood,
The Jabber-folk advanced in hordes,
Intent upon the common good
Waving their new clipboards.

“Atchoo, atchoo!” – his sneeze cut through:
Their terror was totemic.
“We’re only here to give you the goo,
You’ll cause an epidemic!”

“Hast thou engaged the Jabber-folk –
Stuck out your arm, my squeamish boy?
Oh, frabjous day, you ran away,”
He chortled in his joy.

‘Tis brilliant: though the slimy toads
Do normal folk blame and condemn,
There’s always some bastard down the road,
To screw it up for them.

417149 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Bugle, 2, #1032 of 1737 🔗

Oh, very good indeed!

417166 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to Bugle, 2, #1033 of 1737 🔗

Such glorious nonsense.

417170 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bugle, 4, #1034 of 1737 🔗

Good stuff! We really need a section on here for the parody poems and little skits/sketches that people post. They cheer me up no end. Like POWs doing sketches and songs about the guards!

417123 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 19, #1035 of 1737 🔗

Just saw a news bulletin that said Oxford U is going to begin a vaccine trial for children ages 6 to 17. U.K. parents better wake up fast and stop this madness.

417130 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to bebophaircut, 13, #1036 of 1737 🔗

Parents all over the country will be queueing up to get their children stabbed.

And why bother with a trial? Just go straight to the rollout. No one gives a shit.

417159 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 7, #1037 of 1737 🔗

With kids being impacted so little you wonder how such a trial is designed. Either you get a massive number of kids participating to gain significance or you massively over state the results of a very small trial to advocate for mass roll out. It can only ever be a marketing exercise.

The people who’ve decided two months into vaccine roll outs that kids are now game are guilt of crimes against humanity. Its sick.

417300 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1038 of 1737 🔗

I presume “success” will be measured on how many have serious side effects rather than whether it prevents anyone being ill with covid

417408 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Richard O, 1, #1039 of 1737 🔗

This mankind deserves extinction.
I am saying since many years that Gens Y and Z will be our downfall.
But I expected a different script for that.

417134 ▶▶ stewart, replying to bebophaircut, 12, #1040 of 1737 🔗

What do people expect. They’ve allowed psychopaths to take over and the psychos will continue until they are stopped

417225 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1041 of 1737 🔗

Good afternoon Bebophaircut,

It shows that its really getting to me today. I saw your message and thought, thank god my son is at Wycombe Wanderers! Obviously, the ‘U’ stands for University not United!

I was reading into the background of Andrew Pollard at the weekend – https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/11/25/bread-and-circuses-whos-behind-the-oxford-vaccine-for-covid-19/ – who seems to be the guy behind all of this. If you can stomach it, this page explains it all in PR-puff detail.

Ten years’ vaccine work achieved in about 10 months. Yet no corners cut in designing, testing and manufacturing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55041371

417125 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1042 of 1737 🔗

Gaslighting by the BBC

Read the first article from six days ago and it describes a man driven mad by the lockdown who tragically kills his wife

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55989511

Read todays article, he is acquitted of murder because the jury presumably accepted his argument that he acted having been driven mad by lockdown

Yet today’s article (below) barely mentions the lockdown

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56071168

A national disgrace

417157 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1043 of 1737 🔗

They’ve no integrity at all.

417127 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 23, #1044 of 1737 🔗

Sky News shows an image of the first guests checking into a hotel to quarantine.

They are not guests you twats they are prisoners in a concentration camp.

Complimentary Zkylon B (covid) in the mini bar.

Gimme strength.

417192 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Stephen Williams, 5, #1045 of 1737 🔗

Or you can take Ivermectin for £2 and cure your flu. Then you have natural immunity to boot.

417239 ▶▶▶ Stephen Williams, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1046 of 1737 🔗

Thank you for your support but oh fuck I think I’m going mad.

417255 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Stephen Williams, #1047 of 1737 🔗

at the stage when you think you are going mad you are already nuts

417289 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen Williams, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1048 of 1737 🔗

May I thank all the other crazy bastards out there and your dedication to the truth that you are keeping me sane.
I do not believe it !!!!

417150 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Waldorf, 6, #1050 of 1737 🔗

I think as the yes sir brigade are seen to, there’ll be a massive campaign with private sector backing to push this. Prepare mentally.

I expect to lose my job over it. That’s how hard I think they’ll push people

417156 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1051 of 1737 🔗

Do you get a nice wedge of sick pay?? wait until last minute then use it

417161 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1052 of 1737 🔗

The last year has been a cakewalk by comparison with what is to come.

Refuseniks won’t just be threatened with loss of employment. I’m expecting all assets to be frozen and/or confiscated, and ultimately incarceration and/or execution. This is how far these maniacs will be willing to go.

417178 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 3, #1053 of 1737 🔗

I believe they will just zero refusenik accounts and deny them access to food banks to force them to starve to death by the roadside.

417164 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1054 of 1737 🔗

Every time they ask, say covid tracers have told you to isolate for 14 days.

417145 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 2, #1055 of 1737 🔗

Latest from the Gov. daily summary.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

417175 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1056 of 1737 🔗

Just look at those deadly, super infectious variants.

417721 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonny S., #1057 of 1737 🔗

Still testing in earnest!

417147 alw, replying to alw, 23, #1058 of 1737 🔗

“An international law firm is preparing to launch a legal challenge to the Government’s quarantine hotel policy , which came into effect today.
PGMBM believes that “the enforced quarantine of people without knowing whether they have Covid-19” is unlawful under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and should therefore be subject to judicial review.”

https://pgmbm.com/

417155 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, 7, #1059 of 1737 🔗

About bloody time. Where are all the ambulance chasers? There don’t seem to have been any personal injury claims in the press. I can understand that there aren’t any which challenge lockdown, but I’m surprised we haven’t seen any cases where employees sue their boss for ‘allowing’ them to catch Covid via a lack of PPE or something. Can’t help thinking the Law Society or somesuch have been leant on by HMG.

417160 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to alw, 3, #1060 of 1737 🔗

Hmm! 6 months later they’ll file it under no grounds. You heard it here first.

417152 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #1061 of 1737 🔗

Great walk this morning. It is getting warmer and the light is changing

The scents wafting on the early spring breeze suggest the cannabis smokers are starting earlier each day

Sat on the pier and read a book. Plenty of half term families throwing pebbles in the sea and breathing in the fresh air that probably last saw land in America

Anyway, the purveyor of state propaganda tells us that the Pig Dictator is analysing the virus data before making a decision

Presumably the fake virus data will be added to the data from the fake Yougov polls and the fake focus groups

All a bit pointless really as these decisions only have a shelf life of less than an hour

About as sane as Dr Strangelove as they say in these parts

417242 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1062 of 1737 🔗

Weed smoking is “OFF THE CHARTS” I smell it everywhere. Really it’s very noticeable.

417272 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1063 of 1737 🔗

Us too – at least we know we don’t have the rona

417285 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1064 of 1737 🔗

At least some ones business is thriving

417168 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 44, #1065 of 1737 🔗

One thing I have learned in the past year is that 80% of the population were already dead before any of this started. I just did not notice

They were just waiting for someone to come along to turn off the lights and bid them adieu

417179 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 13, #1066 of 1737 🔗

More like 90-95%, but your point is an excellent one. Given this number, our society by extension was also already dead.

417172 isobar, replying to isobar, 2, #1067 of 1737 🔗

Wee Krankie spits the dummy

‘Nicola Sturgeon threatens to CLOSE the England-Scotland border if Boris Johnson fails to adopt her tougher quarantine rules for travellers from EVERYWHERE to go into hotel isolation’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9262629/Nicola-Sturgeon-threatens-CLOSE-border-hotel-quarantine-row.html

417177 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to isobar, 8, #1068 of 1737 🔗

Here we go. All playing to a script. Starts in targetted areas then becomes everywhere…..

417182 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1069 of 1737 🔗

Yup!

417233 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1070 of 1737 🔗

And I think that will be the same approach when it comes to the near certainty (IMHO) that the wearing of masks outside will become mandatory as a price to pay for some easing of lockdown restrictions. First in crowded outside areas, then in all outside areas. Couldn’t help but notice the results of another masking study being flagged up in the Daily Fail today.
‘Wearing a face mask can reduce your risk of severe Covid-19: Humidity inside coverings limits the spread of the virus to the lungs leading to milder infection, study shows’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9261669/Wearing-face-mask-reduce-risk-SEVERE-Covid-19.html

I really can’t see how anyone can extrapolate any findings to the general population bearing in mind that : ‘Any leakage around the edges of the mask was eliminated by fitting high-density rubber foam around the mask and to the volunteer’s face’ Being suitably rubbished in the comments section especially given that the title is sheer speculation, the study shows nothing of the kind.

417366 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to isobar, 1, #1071 of 1737 🔗

Several ‘mays’ in this article!

417279 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 2, #1072 of 1737 🔗

She will just continue to find any excuse to close the border. Lost the indie ref so ignore democracy and put a border between England and Scotland anyway.

417174 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1073 of 1737 🔗

One of the most powerful and effective ways to get our message across is on the comments sections. This is a great opportunity! Make sure you have your best facts and figures to hand.

Prof Dolores Cahill will be featured on BBC1 Panorma’s “Vaccines & Disinformation” programme Monday 15th February 2021 at 19:35pm and online shortly after broadcast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000scy8

417181 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1074 of 1737 🔗

some excellent scientists have never got any foothold regards lockdown with the likes of the BBC

I’ve heard non of these scientists publically come out against the vaccines

This will be a one sided show – and I’ll avoid it for my own sanity

417186 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1075 of 1737 🔗

there is plenty evidence the lockdowns do more harm – but none yet about ‘vaccines’ – and when there is it will be to late

417204 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1076 of 1737 🔗

She will crush them.

417220 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to BJJ, 3, #1077 of 1737 🔗

sorry just read it properly – i didn’t realise prof Cahill was involved – fucking marvellous!!!!!! bout time she was on main stream!!!!

417226 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1078 of 1737 🔗

Yes I am debating on whether to watch it or not. I won’t be able to stand the propaganda being pumped out by BBC

417301 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Janette, #1079 of 1737 🔗

I am planning to watch it, as I like to know what i am up against, but BBC just showed Ferguson and I just about stopped myself from throwing up, so we will see how long I’ll last.

417184 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1080 of 1737 🔗

They will do a hatchet job on her

417194 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1081 of 1737 🔗

They will indeed

417280 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1082 of 1737 🔗

I believe they will but also – I highly suspect she will be ready.

417198 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1083 of 1737 🔗

Can’t watch BBC. Chucked in the licence, but just couldn’t watch the fucking BBC anyway. Let us know how she gets on.

417715 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonny S., #1084 of 1737 🔗

I don’t have a licence either. Hopefully someone here will be able to give us a report.

417253 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1085 of 1737 🔗

The BBC is an echo chamber bleating to already brainwashed sheep it’s irrelevant in 2021! Panorama lost credibility years ago. Watching it will just boost viewing figures & encourage them.

If you must watch it, don’t watch live, try to view on a platform bbc have no control over. I, for one, just won’t dignify what ever propaganda they stream by watching it at all.

417282 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1086 of 1737 🔗

It’s gonna be like “how dare you!” “your are risking millions of lives”! “But what would you say to all the families of the 100000 or more people who have died!” “Are you suggesting that we should just let un-vaccinated people walk around like viral suicide bombers?”

I hope Dolores is ready, I bet even if she does manage to fend the vultures off they will just edit it so everything that she says is taken out of context.

417441 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1087 of 1737 🔗

They will try and besmirch her firstly because she is an Irish nationalist , you know what they will accuse her of , and somehow try and discredit her massive list of credentials .

417190 Steve F, replying to Steve F, 5, #1088 of 1737 🔗

I see Frederick Forsyth is putting his weight behind the totalitarian principle in his letter to today’s DT. Apparently, we’re missing the point. I think he’s missing the point. Lifting all lockdown restrictions now would be a far preferable way of re-opening the country but Freddie favours the members-only option. Fat-head.

SIR – Those who inveigh against the vaccination passport miss the point.
If you join a members-only club you get a membership card. Flash it at the door and you are allowed in. Without it you are not. To issue the vaccinated a simple card would enable them to visit cafés, pubs, bars and restaurants, and sit with others in safety. It would also allow thousands of now-shuttered businesses to reopen and put more than a million of the laid-off back in work, thus starting the restoration of our crippled country.
Frederick Forsyth
Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire

417196 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve F, 5, #1089 of 1737 🔗

We know where you live

(Because you just told us Dooooooooh!!)

417201 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to Steve F, 6, #1090 of 1737 🔗

I thought he was dead.

417206 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to landt2020, 6, #1091 of 1737 🔗

Ditto. Shame.

417227 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to landt2020, 3, #1092 of 1737 🔗

He is now.

417384 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to landt2020, #1093 of 1737 🔗

That was just a report about his brain. He’s always been a bit of a goose-stepper.

417202 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve F, 12, #1094 of 1737 🔗

Looks like his novel writing days are over. Now he’s reduced to celebrity vaccine endorsements.

417210 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Steve F, 23, #1095 of 1737 🔗

The difference with the club is that you’ve chosen to take out membership, it hasn’t been forced upon you by a coercive government.

417398 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Liz F, 1, #1096 of 1737 🔗

Exactly. You got aahptions!

417215 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve F, 4, #1097 of 1737 🔗

I don’t understand views like this – if you look at his Wikipedia entry he seems to have a pretty open minded, libertarian view of life. He left the BBC over their political bias, for example. Surely he can see through all this?

417224 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1098 of 1737 🔗

I’ve often found myself in agreement with FF on other matters but he’s plainly gone off the rails now and I’m afraid that, as far as I’m concerned, he is henceforth in the enemy camp. I bear a grudge and I never forgive or forget.

417264 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Steve F, 6, #1099 of 1737 🔗

All built on the premise that the govt have the right to tell you who you how you can run your business, who you can serve (or not) and who you are allowed to let on ‘your’ premises.

What he his suggesting is the ultimate in state sanctioned control. I thought this guy was a Conservative? He would fit right in the Beijing or North Korea.

417267 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steve F, 9, #1100 of 1737 🔗

He’s just somebody else who hasn’t understood that the jab neither confers immunity nor hinders transmission.

..and if it did confer immunity, then why not let vaccinated and unvaccinated mix.

Either the jab works or it doesn’t.

417269 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve F, 5, #1101 of 1737 🔗

It’s silly and grotesque but it might just about stand up IF there was choice – so some shops, cafes, cinemas, pubs, airlines etc insisted on a vaccine and some didn’t. But we know that wouldn’t happen, and then what about things that are more or less monopolies where choosing is impossible – workplaces, schools, public offices, leisure centres, trains etc.

417327 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Julian, 3, #1102 of 1737 🔗

Julian,
Following your train of thought: maybe this would work if we just divided the country in half and built a wall across the middle with armed guards and watchtowers at regular intervals. One half would be run as an entirely free society, something like we had until March last year, and the other half would be governed along more authoritarian lines, with permits and papers required for every aspect of daily life. Lots of people it transpires, would be quite happy with this more regulated but much safer existence.
Of course, the road and rail infrastructure would have to be adapted for strict border control but I’m sure there’s a branch of Sage which could get to work on these arrangements very quickly. Maybe they’ve already begun.

417357 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Steve F, 4, #1103 of 1737 🔗

Is this what HS2 is really for – taking dissenters up to Birmingham? They are certainly doing their best to wreck the lives of North London dissenters and (former) left-wing voters knocking down buildings / dismantling bridges in Camden / Hampstead only to reconstruct them again at a later stage to save 20 minutes on a journey! What’s it really for? We need to know.

417416 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steve F, 1, #1104 of 1737 🔗

Yes that idea was great – but fell apart in 1989 I think…..you can’t keep the refuseniks out, so no one will ever be “safe” 😂

417499 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve F, 1, #1105 of 1737 🔗

Their half would be an abject failure as a country as you cannot build a successful country on madness and pseudoscience

417527 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Steve F, 3, #1106 of 1737 🔗

We could set that up almost immediately. Sturgeon is planning a border control between the Fundamentalist Scotland and the decadent , lax England (if you listen to her analysis of the situation ).
All those who love permanent lockdowns and police state, but absolute protection from coronavirus, move up to Scotland and those preferring the more risky but more normal life move down to England. Like the partition of India but without the violence.
Would not cost much , just a hundred miles of barbed wire . Probably wont need policing because the mutual antipathy of LS sceptics and covid zealots will keep the two communities apart without the need for armed patrols along the border . Probably dont even need the barbed wire , just a line of paint.

417330 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Steve F, 4, #1107 of 1737 🔗

Isn’t the whole point of a vaccination that you then won’t get it. In which case, what does it matter if the great unwashed, sorry, unvaccinated, turn up?

417191 straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 46, #1108 of 1737 🔗

Just got back from the local park with my kids and the place was heaving. Parents and children playing, laughing and enjoying the sunshine with not a mask to be seen. The ice cream van was busy too. This is what we need.

417218 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 10, #1109 of 1737 🔗

Splendid 🙂

417436 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 4, #1110 of 1737 🔗

I went to a local play area this afternoon and was pleased to see parents and children having fun on the swings and slides. It was particularly pleasing to me as I had removed all the closure signs a few days ago.
The only downside was that two children were wearing face-nappies and their parents scrupulously avoided me with anti-social distancing nonsense. The children (I guess) were under ten.
One can’t have everything!

417768 ▶▶ Edward, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #1111 of 1737 🔗

Similar in my local park. The cafe has been doing takeaway coffee for a while and there was a queue of at least 10, and some walking around with their coffee while others – oshock horror – were sitting on benches or at picnic tables. And an ice cream van in this park too. Only a few outdoor masks. I’m not convinced by the idea that the economy is like a coiled spring waiting to be released, but there is certainly a strong desire to do normal everyday things.

417193 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1112 of 1737 🔗

If I hear one more government nonce say ‘We understand your frustration’ or a mutation of it then they are going to the very, very, very top of the list

(I own the list and I say what goes)

417200 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1113 of 1737 🔗

‘Your name vill also go on ze list. Vot is your name?’
‘Don’t tell him, Whitty!’

417195 kpaulsmith1463, 3, #1114 of 1737 🔗

Poorly-written/translated, but the detail is persuasive; the hastily deployed Pfizer-Biontech vaccine appears to be disagreeing with the aged: https://2020news.de/en/whistleblower-from-berlin-nursing-home-the-terrible-dying-after-vaccination/

417197 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 47, #1115 of 1737 🔗

Small piece of good news. My other half, who passed a selection board to become a WPC, has now withdrawn her application over concerns about the harrassment of innocent people over lockdown breaches. She was getting more and more upset about it and decided in all conscience she wouldn’t be able to do it. I had the same worries for her but did not mention them as I did not want her to think I was influencing her decision.

417203 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Cranmer, 13, #1116 of 1737 🔗

Good for her, although having more WPC’s with a concience would have been good.

417216 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jonny S., 11, #1117 of 1737 🔗

The system turns good people into goblins. She’s well out of it IMO.

417205 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cranmer, 10, #1118 of 1737 🔗

shame – we need more good people in the force

417211 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1119 of 1737 🔗

Jade Norris resigned as a special constable after serving for 10 years, for thesame reasons. Sad that good people are being lost from joining or staying.

https://twitter.com/jadenozzz/status/1332613083227955205

417219 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1120 of 1737 🔗

Can these people not speak out?

417214 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Cranmer, 12, #1121 of 1737 🔗

Good for her – although the irony is that clearly she is exactly the sort of officer the police force needs..

417207 Edward, replying to Edward, 7, #1122 of 1737 🔗

To cheer us up on Monday, here’s a dystopian scenario which could be worked up into a story. It’s based on the idea that major disasters arise usually from several things going wrong and interacting, not just one thing going wrong.

It’s 2080. Nearly all disease has been eliminated by vaccinations and drug treatments from birth onwards. Nearly all power is generated by wind or solar, and global temperatures are stable according to official figures. Artificial intelligence makes most day-to-day decisions, and transport is by self-driving electric cars and self-flying electric planes. Nations still exist, but there is a World Supervisory Body which tries to keep them on the same path, not always successfully. There is concern that China is getting more than its fair share of valuable minerals from Africa. Some nations still have nuclear weapons for their ultimate defence.

Most people have poor capabilities of memory and reasoning, since anything one wants to know can be found by asking Axela, the genderless smart speaker from the global Nozama corporation. A few people are worried that the World Supervisory Body and Nozama are too closely intertwined, but dissent is confined to localised groups since Nozama has a monopoly on global information.

To maintain a stable population, compulsory euthanasia is applied at an age dependent on one’s social credit, from 60 for the lowest level up to a default of 90 for most people, and 100 for the elite. A super-elite (invitation only) is not subject to euthanasia, though most of them get to 101 to register their superiority and then accept euthanasia to signal their virtue.

(Continued in reply below)

417243 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 8, #1123 of 1737 🔗

One day there is a massive volcanic eruption – one of the few aspects of the planet which humanity admits it cannot yet control. Dust clouds fill the sky, and solar power output plunges. Very strong winds destroy many wind turbines. The huge reduction in availability of electric power causes many systems to fail, including large factories manufacturing the medications which keep humanity free of disease. A lifetime of medication has damaged the effectiveness of natural immune systems, and many people succumb to disease. Bio-engineered food production collapses. Panic and starvation spread.

An electric aircraft carrying key members of the World Supervisory Body, despite its system for filtering volcanic dust, fails and plunges towards the ground in one of the nuclear-armed nations. Their AI defence system mistakenly identifies this plane as an incoming missile and launches a retaliatory strike.

(I’m beginning to think I’m overdoing the disasters! Also it would be better if the failures were intrinsic to the system rather than being started by an external cause, namely the volcano.
As my English teacher might have said, “Shows promise but needs more development”.)

417212 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 7, #1125 of 1737 🔗

“…scientist are working on a new kind of face mask with an antiviral coating that will kill coronavirus in just one hour.”

What do they mean, “working”? I thought it was common knowledge that any clothing item impregnatedwith copper or silver was anti-bacterial and anti-viral? You can buy paramedic jackets which are silver-impregnated to protect against AIDS/HIV.

417228 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to RichardJames, 2, #1126 of 1737 🔗

Terrific! So I only have to exhale, hold my breath for an hour and then I can inhale again with impunity.

417230 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RichardJames, 2, #1127 of 1737 🔗

I think these products are more about profit. Masks are supposed to only work one way preventing already infected people from spreading it.

Rubber is more effective & cheaper at preventing HIV.

Why would you want anti-bacterial clothing?

417274 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1128 of 1737 🔗

This is from a piece in the DT fashion pages last July. I posted it here at the time but it’s worth a re-post in the context of the above :
“Could anti-viral jeans protect us from coronavirus? Diesel claims new jeans can kill 99 percent of Covid germs within two hours.
We’re already protecting ourselves from coronavirus with masks, visors and hand sanitiser. Now it seems the latest must-have in our Covid-fighting arsenal is anti-viral clothing.
Italian brand Diesel has launched a new line of denim that promises virus protection for the lifetime of your jeans – no matter how often you wash them.
Developed in partnership with Swedish firm Polygiene, the denim is treated with an application called ViralOff in the final stages of production, which “works by interacting with key proteins, inhibiting the virus from attaching to textile fibres,” according to a press release.”

417305 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve F, 4, #1129 of 1737 🔗

Very useful for those who speak through their bottoms. SAGE and most MPs should be given free pairs.

417694 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve F, 1, #1130 of 1737 🔗

https://polygiene.com/viraloff/
Polygiene ViralOff® is a brand for a treatment of textiles and other products that reduces tested viruses by 99% in two hours
The active ingredient is a biocide: silver chloride and the product is not nano-silver.

Two hours?!
 However, unless you have a habit of sucking your jeans, I’m not sure they are a major source of transmisson.

417318 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1131 of 1737 🔗

Can we start a campaign to get the dandelions to wear gimp masks (all over rubber with no vent hole)?

417487 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Anti_socialist, #1132 of 1737 🔗

It’s for paramedics who may be splashed with contaminated blood while dealing with road traffic accidents.

417265 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RichardJames, 3, #1133 of 1737 🔗

On the other hand — look out for an advert saying that masks to be coated with silver or copper, & watch how quickly they are ripped off people’s faces! 🙂

417283 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to RichardJames, 5, #1134 of 1737 🔗

Are they researching what breathing in this coating will do to the human body?
A govt dept in Hamburg has published a warning against using medical masks for hours on end as one breathes in about 2000 fibres, metals and other stuff which is not good for you. All depositing in your lungs. Nice.

417483 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Silke David, 1, #1135 of 1737 🔗

Copper particles are probably fairly safe, but I know that silver is completely harmless. The copper version is metal filaments woven into the material. The silver version is a silver salt (normally silver citrate) embedded in the fabric. There is also a cloth version with silver filaments.

All the silver versions are definitely harmless.

417685 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RichardJames, 1, #1136 of 1737 🔗

Patents = profit

417222 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 16, #1138 of 1737 🔗

The Moral Maze.

You are male and live equidistant between London and Edinburgh. You wake up tomorrow morning and the internet tells you that coronavirus has killed nearly the entire population of the UK. Only two other people are left alive, in Edinburgh it is Nicola Sturgeon, and in London it is Cressida Dick.

Do you:

1] Travel North to start repopulating the country.
2] Travel South to start repopulating the country.
3] Travel North then South.
4] Travel South then North.
5] Travel to the nearest Off Licence, break in and drink yourself to death because with luck like that you are probably infertile anyway.

NB. Apologies to the female readers of this site, I should have also created a dilemma for you to resolve. I can’t because even after all these years I still don’t know exactly what attracts/repulses a woman to/from a man except perhaps the fact that they have no other choice. Lets be honest, somebody is sharing Piffle’s bed. I find such a fact so gut-wrenchingly unbelievable that suggesting male survivors that are as unacceptable as the female ones I mention above is a near impossibility for me, though I assume that a Mr M. Hancock would be one possibility. So, to the charge of sexism I plead guilty, but with ignorance as my only alibi.

417232 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Old Bill, 6, #1139 of 1737 🔗

I’d commit suicide on the spot

417257 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1140 of 1737 🔗

I mentioned earlier something that was to my eternal shame, which was voting Labour in ’97.

But I have a worse one than that. I once spent an afternoon in the VIP enclosure at the Royal Windsor Horse Show. Cressida Dick was also in the enclosure with her wife (or whatever… ). I regret to report that I didn’t once stab her to death with a melon fork.

417326 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, 1, #1141 of 1737 🔗

Phew, thought you were going to confess sleeping with Nic Sturg-un for a second, that would be an abhorrent act i couldn’t forgive.

417358 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1142 of 1737 🔗

My ex-wife does bear an uncanny resemblance…

417234 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Old Bill, 14, #1143 of 1737 🔗

In your hypothetical scenario I would do the following:

1) Travel North to finish off Sturgeon.
2) Travel South to finish off Cressida Dick
3) Gather all the drugs I can from vacant premises.
4) Go out with a blast.

417246 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Richard O, 1, #1144 of 1737 🔗

Yep! Fear and loathing style…

417337 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richard O, 1, #1145 of 1737 🔗

Nah deaths to good for em, let em fight it out with each other, then suffer the loneliness of no one else to murder or boss around.

417410 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Richard O, #1146 of 1737 🔗

Like it!

417248 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Old Bill, 5, #1147 of 1737 🔗

The possibilities are almost endless…. there will be millions of cars there for the taking. And trucks. And tanks. And artillery. And empty roads.

I reckon I could have both of them staining the pavement in about 8 hours.

417250 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1148 of 1737 🔗

Clearly, #5 is the only sensible choice.

417258 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1149 of 1737 🔗

Nippy and Dick can’t be human, so no point thinking about that side of the challenge. Besides, I’ve already raided the offy and am not fit to drive – so I’ll just stay there until it all runs out.

417271 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Old Bill, 7, #1150 of 1737 🔗

As a woman, I’m assuming I can dispense with the north/south dictators and break into the nearest sperm bank with turkey baster to hand. If repopulation is the aim. My age probably against me though!

417284 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1151 of 1737 🔗

Easy 5.

Yeah, Dick and Krankie might still be alive, but the government, politicians, SAGE advisors, bankers, journalists, police, traffic wardens and covid wardens are now all dead.

I hope there’s a firework shop next to the off-licence. Cheers!

417290 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1152 of 1737 🔗

I think nut nut is sharing piffle’s bed in order to control him – she probably sees it as a sacrifice for the greater good

417397 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1153 of 1737 🔗

Better death than Wankok.

417680 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, #1154 of 1737 🔗

I live equidistant between London and Edinburgh. Maybe the surviving male could use the advice from the Woody Allen film. There are plenty of very nice (four-legged) sheep round here …….

417236 C S, replying to C S, 6, #1155 of 1737 🔗

Boris says we need to be cautious on opening up again because 60pct of people in hospital “with” Covid are under the age of 70.

Clever use of words there again from him. I’m sure it is true if you look at people who are in hospital with a positive test as it is probably true that ordinarily 70pct of people in hospital are under the age of 70? Anyone have the actual numbers to get a better sense of reality?

417241 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to C S, 9, #1156 of 1737 🔗

Carrot and stick. This is never going to end.

417245 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1157 of 1737 🔗

Stick and stick more like. Where is the carrot here?

417259 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 2, #1158 of 1737 🔗

‘Carrot’ is merely the absence of ‘stick’.

417262 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 2, #1159 of 1737 🔗

Yes I see your point but the carrot as such is the idea of some return to normal, perhaps, if ………..

417247 ▶▶ Julian, replying to C S, 7, #1160 of 1737 🔗

“Actual numbers” of what, is the problem. I think Gove himself admitted that they don’t really know how many people are in hospital with a positive test AND definite covid symptoms, with or without the presence of other complicating factors which mean they would be in hospital anyway – in other word, no way to meaningfully measure the impact on healthcare of the deadly pandemic you’ve turned life upside down for. The pressure on hospitals has been distorted by lots of staff being off with positive tests, fewer beds because of distancing, cancelled operations etc.

417345 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to C S, 4, #1161 of 1737 🔗

Most of which caught “it” whilst in hospital.

417392 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1162 of 1737 🔗

That’s indeed the key, and the key omission, here.

417237 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1163 of 1737 🔗

Here’s a screenshot of a chart appearing in the Express. Judging from those comparisons I think I’d go for the coronavirus if given a choice.

417376 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1164 of 1737 🔗

I have to say that the chart is about as accurate as the Express’s reporting. 🙂 For instance – I’ve had really chronic and long-lasting coughs with a cold virus – and shortness of breath.

417240 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1165 of 1737 🔗

Anyone work in a vaccination centre? I’m assuming loads are getting chucked away each night as people don’t turn up / change their minds.

417256 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1166 of 1737 🔗

Relative of mine has had the jab recently – they know how I feel about it but I respect their wishes. In chatting to GP’s staff, they got the impression there have been large-scale no shows.

417270 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1167 of 1737 🔗

Well, according to the press conference 90% of over 70’s have taken up the offer.

417334 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Silke David, 5, #1168 of 1737 🔗

Well as said in the Naked Gun: ‘Looks like a 50/50 chance of this happening, but there’s only a 10% chance of that!’

417387 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1169 of 1737 🔗

Sounds like ‘Colmanballs’ to me…’I promised the lads we’d either win, lose or draw, and I didn’t let them down.’

417371 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Silke David, 4, #1170 of 1737 🔗

On totally neutral grounds, I find that figure literally incredible.

417453 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1171 of 1737 🔗

I wouldn’t respect their wishes, although I probably would keep my mouth shut once they had chosen not to listen to me – no point flogging a dead horse. but what’s to respect? they’ve been duped and brainwashed into taking a lethal injection. They are a victim, not a free individual making a free choice.

417352 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1172 of 1737 🔗

This was fished out the river by our local jabadome earlier…Apparently. Must be all the vaccine they are pouring away.
comment image

417377 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1173 of 1737 🔗

that’s mr Jones – he was involved in the SARS 1 vaccine trials – looks well

417449 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1174 of 1737 🔗

Boris without the wig.

417446 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1175 of 1737 🔗

we should all work in vaccination centres – and replace the poison with saline

417251 alw, replying to alw, 4, #1176 of 1737 🔗

Boris has said precisely nothing.

417310 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to alw, 2, #1177 of 1737 🔗

Only lies.

417663 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, #1178 of 1737 🔗

Read between the lines. He makes the agenda perfectly clear!

417268 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 52, #1179 of 1737 🔗

Is Boris Johnson the problem?

uptick for yes – down tick for no

417288 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1180 of 1737 🔗

If he died would policy be changed?

417295 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ossettian, #1181 of 1737 🔗

interesting, what do you think?

417342 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ossettian, 2, #1182 of 1737 🔗

Sadly no in my opinion, Wancock and Gove would grab the reins of power and with SAGE the restrictions would get worse.

However everyone would be forced to clap periodically for the loss of our so called great leader.

417388 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1183 of 1737 🔗

All world leaders seem to be acting like puppets on a (Gates?) string.
Some were or are given some more leeway from the start or from time to time, but as soon as there is progress/hope, they all seem to be called back by an ominous power, executed by changing the goalposts.
Sweden/NZ/OZ- they all seem to have a role to play here, Sweden’s recent policies and announcements made no sense at
all, for example.
Only Magufuli and Lukashenko seem to beyond their/his reach, sofar.

417443 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JayBee, 1, #1184 of 1737 🔗

I doubt that Bill Gates, or any one individual, unless it’s Satan, is the sole culprit, although he’s clearly a pretty repulsive man. but if he dropped dead tomorrow, it wouldn’t all go away, would it.

417311 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1185 of 1737 🔗

I recognize a scam when i see one.

417335 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Anti_socialist, #1186 of 1737 🔗

lol – if i was a double glazing sales man I’d be straight round you’re house

417346 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1187 of 1737 🔗

No, if he didn’t exist, someone else would be found.

He makes absolutely no difference.

417276 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 29, #1188 of 1737 🔗

I had an appointment today at my dentist. During the drive there I put on the radio (LBC), it was Shelagh Fogarty’s phone in. For those who are unfamiliar with her, she is the female equivalent of James O’Brien i.e. annoyingly superior and condescending to callers. BTW, the only use for JOB in my opinion is imagining his face when you use the punchbag in the gym (not that his big head would fit on to one).

Anyway, she had a guest on from the Royal College of Nursing Professor Dame Donna Kinnair and they were discussing vaccine hesitancy in the health and care sector especially regarding BAME employees. Now, I thought Dame Donna was quite reasonable saying they should be encouraged to discuss their problems with the vaccine. SF was quite the opposite; she just couldn’t understand why anyone would refuse the vaccine, and kept referring to anti vaxers (whom she stated she would not give airtime to).

SF tried to compare washing hands and wearing hard hats on a building site with a vaccine but Dame Donna patiently explained that having something injected into your body was not the same thing at all and that forcing staff to accept the vaccine would not be acceptable and was a dangerous road to embark on. SF continually referred to the staff as being a risk to their patients but Dame Donna pointed out (several times) that the vaccine only protected the recipient and did not prevent infection.

After the Ad break the first caller was complaining about her sister who was an ‘anti vaxer’ – translation would rather not be forced to submit to a possibly inadequately tested vaccine. And they both agreed how stupid and selfish the caller’s sister was. They then discussed what sanctions should be imposed on the unvaccinated, (no entrance to anywhere basically) that they both seemed to relish as a punishment for such disobedience.

Well, Shelagh Forgaty is quite an overweight woman and if we are going down the route of health over freedom, she may like to imagine this. If her BMI remains as it is, perhaps she shouldn’t be able to enter a restaurant, order a take away or buy high calorie foods from a supermarket. Because, in the future she may be overburdening the NHS, she may not be putting anyone’s life in danger directly, but who knows in the future.

When I reached the dentist (compulsory masks naturally) whilst waiting to be called in, a lady opposite was obviously uncomfortable and kept pulling her mask away from her mouth in order to breathe. Catching her eye, I pulled my mask down and then she said “I don’t understand why we are having an injection if we still have to wear these things – my husband tells me to keep quiet as not everyone thinks like me” I replied as I walked past “you would be surprised how many do”. Result number 1.

When I go into hygienist’s room we started talking about lockdowns. She is a delightful young woman and was hopeful with each new Boris promise. I pointed out the number of broken promises and had she ever thought how abusers use their power – giving hope and then taking it away? She said she hadn’t thought of it like that before and she’d be thinking about that for the rest of the day. Result number 2.

Had to laugh out loud when I went to pay as the receptionist covered the key payment machine with cling film. She said we’re keeping you safe, told her I’d had the virus. She said we’re keeping ourselves safe and I explained I had no chance of infecting her, give me strength.

Got petrol on the way home, no mask wasn’t asked. Result number 3.

417286 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #1189 of 1737 🔗

Thank you, sounds like you’ve had a great day fighting the good fight.

417306 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Laura Suckling, 8, #1190 of 1737 🔗

No shame in being an anti-vaxxer!

The fact is big pharma should pay us refuseniks! Their only excuse for everyone being poisoned is mutations, that gives them greater profit for future vaccines for idiots that want it.

If the vaccine protects you, why should you worry about others not taking it.

I use the term you generically.

417314 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Laura Suckling, 8, #1191 of 1737 🔗

Do they change the clingfilm after each person?
What a waste of plastic.

417419 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Silke David, 2, #1192 of 1737 🔗

Yes they do and yes it is.

417393 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #1193 of 1737 🔗

Little by little. And never give in.
You done good!

417277 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 6, #1194 of 1737 🔗

lets ignore for now the the scientists from HART suggestion that the mutants from Kent, S Africa & Brazil are the viruses response to the vaccine trials in Kent, S Africa & Brazil…..

the deadly mutant south African variant is from S Africa – where the numbers of ‘cases’ and deaths from covid are falling off a cliff, naturally disappearing, just fucking off – with no lockdown and no vaccines…

how inconvenient….

417287 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1195 of 1737 🔗

They are probably spinning the globe now looking for the next variant.Because the public have swallowed it wholesale they have chanced upon the device to continue this for as long as they need.

417278 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #1196 of 1737 🔗

You want a look into the future watch a Billy G interview:-

I Asked Bill Gates What’s The Next Crisis? – YouTube

4:30 – shilling MRNA / testing/ epidemiologists – he wants to create a whole industry out of this. Viruses aren’t going anywhere
6:30 – label any narrative that goes against his agenda particularly anti vaxxers
7:30 – group of ‘expert’s to decide on what is acceptable speech online
9:40 – challenged on Oxford going to open source vaccine until Billy G got involved and it went to Astra Zeneca. Watch him squirm on this one and note it was clearly cut at 11:00

He really isn’t all that bright and he is a pretty terrible liar.

417296 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1197 of 1737 🔗

He’s a creepy psychopathic software sells man! Money is his only qualification.

Only sheep & the greedy follow!

417365 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #1198 of 1737 🔗

I remember an interview with (MS co-founder) Paul Allen a little while back now; Allen said plain as day, Gates was attempting to maneuver, bully & force him totally out of the company, while Allen was laid up recovering from cancer treatment. yeah what a guy.

417367 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 11, #1199 of 1737 🔗

I have actually had dealings with the man when I was a board member of a software company nearly 30 years ago. He is completely without principles of any sort other than maximising his own power and control.

417657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to redbirdpete, #1200 of 1737 🔗

Psychopathic qualifications.

417655 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JHUNTZ, #1201 of 1737 🔗

Some serious arm-waving while talking about AZ!

417299 Mark, replying to Mark, 15, #1202 of 1737 🔗

Excellent points made again by Peter Hitchens and Mike Graham on TalkRadio this morning, but there was a chilling forewarning of what is to come.

Peter Hitchens: ‘Once you give your freedom away, you can’t get it back’ | 15-Feb-21

The people who are now designing Lockdown 2.0 for the next virus outbreak will have paid very close attention to the problems they’ve had with enforcing these fines and I absolutely guarantee you that next time round they will be able to take the money off you on the spot, and there won’t be any messing around of this kind, and all kinds of other loopholes and stretchable points about the regulations which have been discovered and in my view more or less accepted by a lot of police forces, won’t exist the next time round, because there are certainly people who see this as far too weak and relaxed a lockdown and look, longingly, for instance at Australia, particularly at Victoria and Melbourne, and long to do to us what was done to them, but which they couldn’t do under any British law. Watch out very carefully for what Parliament is made to get up to in the next year or two in preparation for Lockdown 2.0.

……………….

It’s not impossible that this will happen again worse, if we don’t take this opportunity that may be coming to us…to criticise it seriously, scientifically, rationally, to the point where it has to be conceded in politics and the media that a mistake was made .”

Imo, the big problem with the moderate, law respecting response to lockdown advocated throughout by Peter Hitchens and Toby Young, for instance, is that it has this major flaw: that there is little or no prospect of their ideal outcome, of an honest post-lockdown analysis, leading to the (inevitable) conclusion that it was a mistake. Too many people in positions to control the process have too much to lose from any such conclusion.

In reality there will be endless obfuscation of the facts and modelling-based “proof” of lives saved etc.

The only way in which this ends with any chance of preventing the loathsome outcome Peter describes here, of another lockdown in which the police are empowered to directly harass and steal from dissenters by force, is if there is a general refusal to cooperate with this one, leading to its having to be abandoned in humiliating and unconcealable failure.

That looks unlikely – the narrative that they saved us by locking down until the vaccines rode over the hill is the one that is currently triumphant, thanks in no small part to the “opposition” failing to oppose and instead pushing for more lockdown, enabling the government to position itself as the moderates.

417320 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 7, #1203 of 1737 🔗

Looks like Hitchens has finally realised that this is only going to get worse, correctly assuming as he does that the public are disinterested in regaining the freedoms they have given away.

417341 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 8, #1204 of 1737 🔗

I think he has known that for a while, and said so

He’s very pessimistic by nature, and has long thought and said this country was doomed

417364 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Julian, 4, #1205 of 1737 🔗

I don’t think you can blame him for being pessimistic given the nonsense that has gone on in the UK for the last 25 years at least. This insane lockdown is the culmination of a process, whether deliberate, incompetent, or individual self centered power seeking. It could not have happened out of the blue.

417372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1206 of 1737 🔗

Oh I don’t blame him at all – I wish I thought his pessimism was unfounded but he’s been proved right this year

417415 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Julian, 4, #1207 of 1737 🔗

but I’ll bet this shitshow has exceeded his worst forebodings

417329 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mark, #1208 of 1737 🔗

Mike needs to lose some timber. I wouldn’t back him against a bout of the CCP Virus. The highly reputable and truthful Gabriel Scally warns of long Covid (how i hate that word) that could last 9 months. Come on Mike time for a diet.

417353 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1209 of 1737 🔗

Maybe he regards enjoying his life as more important than extending it to the maximum extent possible?

(No, this isn’t a matter of personal defensiveness, I’m not a fatty myself. I would just reserve personal criticisms of fatties on health grounds for those, like Shelagh Fogarty, according to Laura Suckling’s comment just now, who lecture others about their behaviour on supposed health grounds.)

417414 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 4, #1210 of 1737 🔗

Yes I have nothing against fatties, drunks, druggies and smokers as long as they do not presume to lecture me on healthy living as part of their job in the Nearly Hopeless Service.

417445 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Cranmer, #1211 of 1737 🔗

A lot of fatties particularly probably love the locky. It’s our job to protect them, never theirs.

417378 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nottingham69, 4, #1212 of 1737 🔗

How he lives his life is no one else business.

417302 Cecil B, 5, #1213 of 1737 🔗

Does anyone know what effect lack of sunlight has on the vaccine?

I only ask as I intend to shove mine up somewhere that is very precious to Ted

417303 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 24, #1214 of 1737 🔗

The other half was listening to todays Govt “press” conference with baited breath like she always does and I could not help but overhear Boris saying that they had no idea how effective the vaccine is. No idea! And yet they have happily has given it to 15million people. I burst out laughing when I heard him say that and the other half promptly told me off and carried on listening to every word without questioning it. Talk about people being brain washed.

417308 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ThomasT, 2, #1215 of 1737 🔗

Ever tried ‘accidentally’ retuning the wireless set to Talk Radio?

417344 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1216 of 1737 🔗

The most surprising event of yesterday was that the best piss-take of Covidiots on major brodcasting outlets came from …

…. WAIT FOR IT ….

… the BBC!!!

… where Romesh Raganathan really went for ‘scientists’ who constantly come up with fear-laden stories. The essential message – but funny – was ‘JUST FUCK OFF!’

It was noticeable because comedians on mainstream channels have been generally totally pusillanimous on the subject. Satire has died of Covid.

No doubt his contract will be up for review.

417374 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to ThomasT, 1, #1217 of 1737 🔗

Thank God no one asked him how safe it was….

417304 guy153, replying to guy153, 10, #1218 of 1737 🔗

I came across this paper today about cross-immunity from other “common cold” coronaviruses.

I didn’t realize the effect was so dramatic. They don’t stop you getting infected with SARS-COV2 but are as effective as a vaccine at keeping you out of the ICU. Large study with narrow confidence intervals.

“The eCoV+ as compared with the eCoV– hospitalized patients had a significantly lower odds for intensive care unit (ICU) admission (OR 0.1, 95% CI 0.0–0.7) and a trend toward lower odds of mechanical ventilation (OR 0.0, 95% CI 0.0–1.0). The odds of ICU care (OR 0.1, 95% CI 0.1–0.9) remained significantly lower in the eCoV+ as compared with the eCoV– patients after adjustment for age, sex, BMI, and DM status”

An OR of 0.1 is roughly comparable to a vaccine efficacy of 90% (odds ratios aren’t quite the same as relative risk but with the low prevalence of Covid they’re close enough).

Why not just vaccinate people with live common colds? It would work but they are actually about the same fatality for the highly vulnerable as C19 anyway. So the whole thing is really a bit of a farce.

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/143380

417315 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to guy153, 5, #1219 of 1737 🔗

‘So the whole thing is really a bit of a farce.’

yup

417331 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1220 of 1737 🔗

When the subtle switch to using coronavirus instead of covid it should have been a wake up call for all the sheep, but still they didn’t realise how much of a fool they have been taken for.

417351 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1221 of 1737 🔗

when the sheep wake up they just get back to eating grass – that’s what they do….

417431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Major Panic, #1222 of 1737 🔗

If eating grass could be the same as old normal I am happy for them to do that!

417827 ▶▶ guy153, replying to guy153, 2, #1223 of 1737 🔗

This also puts variant anxiety in perspective. If we get such a high level of cross-immunity from viruses whose common ancestor with SARS-CoV-2 was thousands of years ago, probably more, and that have been adapting themselves to humans for hundreds or thousands of years, a “South African variant” that differs in a handful of nucleotides is going to be a walk in the park. The immune system is not so easily fooled.

There will probably be some slight reduction in efficacy measured against PCR positive or even symptomatic infection with some of these variants (but ignore the 10% efficacy claim for AZ vs SA variant– there have been too few “events”, the confidence interval is wider than a barn door and it means nothing). But prevention of severe disease and death, which is what matters, should be strong for a long time either from natural infection or a vaccine.

417307 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 6, #1224 of 1737 🔗

i just heard on the radio the ‘virus’ described as ‘brutal’,

this is one of the less dramatic description of the virus I’ve heard….

The reality seems to be – its just a thing – that evolves to survive – like its family – viruses that have evolved and survived well before humans existed – and its goal for survival is not to kill its hosts…

it mutates/evolves in the face of lockdowns, vaccines, interference….

is our fucking about the real threat to human life?

417321 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Major Panic, 11, #1225 of 1737 🔗

It’s the government’s response which is brutal.

417339 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1226 of 1737 🔗

It might be less brutal if doctors were allowed to prescribe treatment other than paracetamol and a stay in bed, before getting carted off to hospital, where you may or may not survive the tender loving care of the NHS.

https://aapsonline.org/early-treatment-saves-lives/
November 10, 2020
Early Treatment Saves Lives
The NIH dangerously, and contrary to evidence, recommends no treatment for COVID-19 unless a patient is hospitalized and in need of oxygen. But thankfully, a growing number of courageous physicians across America and around the world are stepping up to put patients first by offering early treatment in order to reduce hospitalizations and save lives.

One helpful development this week is that the peer-reviewed journal the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents published the pioneering work of Dr. Vladimir Zelenko that found early treatment decreased hospitalizations by 84% and resulted in a 5-fold reduction in death.

AAPS continues advocacy for patient access to treatment as well. Thursday of this week, the AAPS Doctors Are In webinar series was honored to feature one of the leaders in this movement to encourage ambulatory treatment, Peter McCullough, MD.

Dr. McCullough presented the rationale behind early treatment and peer-reviewed protocols that can be implemented immediately to manage COVID-19 patients at home.

We encourage everyone to watch this crucial presentation. It is available on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5u5GuErjcA and a backup is posted on Rumble in event the YouTube video is removed: https://rumble.com/vavyvt-c19-ambulatory-treatment.html

417349 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to LMS2, #1227 of 1737 🔗

no $$$$$ in any of that cheap effective shite!!!!

417505 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to LMS2, #1228 of 1737 🔗

I read somewhere that in the early days of this scam, BAME doctors were often in the news because they were coming down with Covid-19 and dying. On or about April 20th they started taking 100,000 IU doses of Vitamin D (monthly I believe, imported from Italy) and no longer were they newsworthy.

Dr David Grimes covers some of the story.

Dr David Grimes: November 2020
There has been a very disappointing research activity in the UK during this pandemic, just the study from Tameside having been reported so far. There appears to have been no centrally sponsored research. The Bill & Melinda Gates / Wellcome Foundation consortium, The Covid-19 Therapeutics Accelerator, set aside $20 million to fund research, but research related to vitamin D was excluded .”

417390 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Major Panic, 6, #1229 of 1737 🔗

Bozo is brutal. Wankok is brutal. The vile creatures who keep old people in solitary confinement are brutal.
The virus us just a stray bit of DNA.

417316 Nobody2021, 3, #1230 of 1737 🔗

There is no other choice to severe restrictions/lockdowns?

Johan Hellström
@jhnhellstrom

For some, chapter 2 is so difficult to read for some reason… Graph credit to:

@JacobGudiol

417317 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #1231 of 1737 🔗

Bumped into some friends and in the course of the conversation mentioned that there had been cases of people harmed by the tests (the ones that involve forcing a long stick up your nose, dangerously close to your brain. Friends were surprised and said they hadn’t heard of any such cases.

Anyone got good links to send them to follow the point up?

417359 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mark, 2, #1232 of 1737 🔗

Have heard this 2-3 times. Here’s one definite example:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2771362

417360 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Mark, 2, #1233 of 1737 🔗

I’ve got a damaged septum and have refused the tests. It’s not the test they use in hospital.

417323 isobar, replying to isobar, 10, #1234 of 1737 🔗

‘Scientists discover seven NEW homegrown COVID variants in America – mostly concentrated in Louisiana and New Mexico – amid fears they could be even MORE infectious than current ones’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9262387/US-scientists-discover-SEVEN-homegrown-variants.html#comments

The variant show will run and run!

417332 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 9, #1235 of 1737 🔗

The gift that keeps on giving.

417340 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to isobar, 2, #1236 of 1737 🔗

The common cold is probably more infectious, but it doesn’t kill you.

417426 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to LMS2, 4, #1237 of 1737 🔗

That is the point though it does kill the very elderly wwho are frail and with co morbidities, we never bothered about that it is past. The same with flu and yet no draconian measures.

417347 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to isobar, 1, #1238 of 1737 🔗

oooooooooo noooooooooo

417328 LMS2, 7, #1239 of 1737 🔗

Instead of locking everyone up and destroying the economy and children’s education, perhaps a cheaper and more effective approach would be to follow the treatment plan of US doctors to keep people out of hospital and the morgue:

https://aapsonline.org/early-treatment-saves-lives/
American Association of Physicians and Surgeons: Early Treatment Saves Lives
(Includes all the treatments we’ve been discussing for months)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/02/a_doctors_view_about_the_new_mrna_vaccines.html
A Doctor’s View About The New mRNA Vaccine

417333 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 14, #1240 of 1737 🔗

Huge side effects from AstraZeneca among health care staff in Germany.
They all had to take time off sick with severe shivering, high fever, headaches.

What does management conclude? The vaccine might not be such a good idea? Well, no.
Instead of getting all staff vaccinated within 3 days, it is now 3 weeks, so they still have some who can work!

417420 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #1241 of 1737 🔗

Also severe side effects after AZ in Sweden, in one hospital 25% of staff went off sick after vaccine. |
According to the local press, they are halting vaccination all together until more research can be done.

417534 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Silke David, #1242 of 1737 🔗

Tina Mansson Söderlund, vaccine coordinator in the Gävleborg Region, told SVT that the side effects were the expected ones: “It’s the usual ones: chills, body aches and fever,” she said.

“The problem is that we have vaccinated so many people in the same workplace.That’s why we’re pausing. It’s nothing to do with the vaccine. We are just a little worried about staffing over the weekend.”

417336 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1243 of 1737 🔗

I am considering cutting off an ear or my penis in protest

Please reply soonest

417338 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1244 of 1737 🔗

You are Marianna Spring, and I claim my reward

417343 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1245 of 1737 🔗

your Mrs suggests you cant lose an ear cos your listening is shit already

417355 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1246 of 1737 🔗

You need to decide which appendage you would miss the most.

417356 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1247 of 1737 🔗

Don’t cut your nose off to spite your penis – it’s not worth it.

417382 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1248 of 1737 🔗

Cut off somebody else’s.List of suggested subjects on application.

417427 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1249 of 1737 🔗

Van Gogh or Cock? Only one would be a visible daily sign of rebellion. I hope.

417700 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Cecil B, #1250 of 1737 🔗

That will be put down as long Covid 🙂

417882 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #1251 of 1737 🔗

Go for it !

417348 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 14, #1252 of 1737 🔗

Enjoyed church yesterday. Apparently we are the only church in the area open for services. Godd for our vicar as she is in her mid 70’s. After the service we all broke the rules by chatting normally. More people are quietly joining in the hymns including a very old man. One younger lady was absent as she felt ill after getting the Oxford vaccine. She works with the elderly.

417379 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #1253 of 1737 🔗

This is gladdening.The Covidian church of Wales offers only a living death on zoom.God bless your valiant vicar and all her congregation, especially those who sing.

417451 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Annie, 4, #1254 of 1737 🔗

the Church of Wales has abandoned any pretence of Christianity and will not survive. The fury among my co-congregationalists at the church’s complete abandonment of both spiritual comfort and pastoral care is enormous. And they have been pleading with us to send them money – to which my only response is ‘go forth and multiply’.

417577 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, #1255 of 1737 🔗

Thank you, our vicar truly cares about her flock.

417872 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1256 of 1737 🔗

First time in my life I’ve felt drawn to the church. I have also prayed for the first time to see if it made any good. It didn’t. Perhaps I’ll turn to Satan and see if HE can end this lockdown/vaccine evil.

I HATE vicars and priests who are cowards, however, and I would feel nothing to spit in their faces.

Perhaps it is just the beauty of the old stone churches to which I am drawn.

417350 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #1257 of 1737 🔗

Brian walked from Manchester to London in protest at what’s going on. I only became aware of it yesterday. Has this been covered at all on this site or have I missed it?

https://youtu.be/1C0Jo1AZnSQ

417380 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1258 of 1737 🔗

So, I’m confused. Is it over for him now or is he planning again?

417399 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1259 of 1737 🔗

He’s done it. Wish I’d have known earlier.

417407 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1260 of 1737 🔗

I mean he is pretty sensible from what I’ve seen so far, speaking also about how making people frightened lowers their immune systems.

What has been done is truly I say it again a vile crime against humanity.

417541 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1261 of 1737 🔗

I knew nothing about him until you posted about it earlier.

417354 Anti_socialist, 4, #1262 of 1737 🔗

Beyond The Roundup | Bill and Melinda Gates Fund Global Ivermectin Clinical Trial Yeah you can see where that’s going!

.
Not wasted my time watching but was worth the headline.

417361 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 19, #1263 of 1737 🔗

Vaccines for children is a bridge too far. These people are going to keep pushing this farce as far as possible. Time to blow it up.

417362 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1264 of 1737 🔗

Funny that cause Yougov says 93% support the measure with 7% don’t knows.

417373 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1265 of 1737 🔗

Yougov says 93percent of women salivate over Boris Johnson’s worn underpants, with 7percent too overwhelmed to answer. So what?

417876 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ovis, #1266 of 1737 🔗

It was a joke

417375 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1267 of 1737 🔗

Opinions polls (especially YouGov at the moment) are notoriously unreliable, but what if these results are an accurate reflection of reality?

I raise this possibility because I have noticed a recent very steep decline into a state of total brainwashing in a number of people I regularly interact with. They are completely gone and cannot be rescued. Could this be happening on a widespread scale as people are finally “broken” by the never-ending restrictions and relentless propaganda?

417478 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Richard O, 1, #1268 of 1737 🔗

Is there some kind of brainwashing machine being used?

I mean this honestly.

I have sometimes wondered if there is some kind of secret technology at work operating through wi-fi or the water or something.

I just cannot accept that so-called behavioural ‘scientists’ are this effective at their stupid work.

417538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FedupofLies, #1269 of 1737 🔗

Clearly they are!

417880 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, #1270 of 1737 🔗

5G ?
Mobile phones ?
tv ?

417396 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1271 of 1737 🔗

lying cunts

417469 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1272 of 1737 🔗

How many of those saying yes had children or grandchildren?Did Yougov exclude respondents with children of a vulnerable age . What does the Minister for Children think of this scheme- will she offer up her own grandchildren?

417363 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 16, #1273 of 1737 🔗

So 2020 was the 13th best ever year for mortality in the uk at 1%(deaths/population). When will people wake up.

417391 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Silver cat, 6, #1274 of 1737 🔗

I know this will be taken out of context & doesn’t help the fight against lockdown (which I feel I don’t have to justify freedom) but I’ve been wondering how many lives have been saved not receiving medical ‘help’.

417517 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1277 of 1737 🔗

Shocking!

417850 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, #1278 of 1737 🔗

Peter Doshi at the BMJ seems to be a man of integrity. Speaks a lot of sense o

417385 FedupofLies, 25, #1279 of 1737 🔗

Because of this social distancing, Sunetra Gupta has warned the obvious that our health is THREATENED because of lack of herd immunity building up for other viruses AND our personal immune systems are down.

THAT in itself IS a population reduction measure

SICK!

Where did she disappear to?

417386 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 22, #1280 of 1737 🔗

Had the misfortune of sitting with Mrs Awkward while she watched the evening “news” – she’s a glutton for punishment (being married to me proves it), knows it’s all crap but watches it anyway – and I noticed taht they kept stressing that “15 million have been offered the vaccination”, not 15 million have been vaccinated.

Strange that.

417403 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1281 of 1737 🔗

I have been wondering all along if the figures they were providing included those who had been offered the jab and had declined. It was just the way that I was immeduately put down as having declined when I said nothing of the sort.

Are vaccinations the new cases, numbers inflated to hide the truth that their vaccine is not as popular as they would have us believe.

417461 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #1282 of 1737 🔗

You raise a very important point Richy.The Govt has enrolled millions of us both willing and reluctant in a trial programme of massive extent which no company could have funded itself. The reults of this trial will certainly boost future earnings of these comanies (mostly US , so no tax return from them ) but we the subjects of this trial — what do we get ?
Freedom from Covid ? No
Freedom from fear of transmitting it to family?No
Freedom to return to a normal life? No
What we get instead is the worry about short and long term adverse reactions , some fatal .
Can we at least examine the results of the trial?No.
The trials are being conducted in such a way that the interpretation is cloaked in mystery and any attempt by you or me to get information will be probably blocked by the statement that the results are commercially confiidential.
Are we paying for these trials ourselves? Oh Yes and how.
So in effect we are cattle enrolled in an experiment by our “masters” to enrich foreign companies with dubious benefits to ourselves and virtually no way , short of violence, of opting out .
And now they are coming for the children.

417623 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to mikewaite, #1283 of 1737 🔗

They were always coming for the children.

417417 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1284 of 1737 🔗

Every other figure they have been reporting is manipulated to fit their narrative so cannot imagine they would change now! It is the of and with figure again, the population fell for that one so they will for offered and had the vaccine.

417457 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1285 of 1737 🔗

My bf picked up on this semantic point as well. I imagine that real uptake is a lot lower and the figure they are parading is just that – people who have been offered but not necessarily been jabbed.

Just goes to show that this is all political. The government don’t give a damn about public health, or they wouldn’t have shut gyms, socially isolated people, made it as difficult as possible to exercise or eat healthily. Lockdown was all about doing something for the sake of doing something so that the government could avoid blame and save their pathetic careers, and now they are throwing around inaccurate vaccine figures to make themselves look like our gracious saviors because they have plouged so much political capital into this experimental drug.

417467 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Poppy, 9, #1286 of 1737 🔗

I remember growing up and my grandpa saying to me “sometime doing nothing is the best course of action”

417665 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1287 of 1737 🔗

My boss hates it when I say that at my annual review. I misattribute it to Gandhi, call him a racist and extract a 20% rise.

Works every year.

417486 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Poppy, 3, #1288 of 1737 🔗

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

How does it work? Like this.

Did you know you have 11 fingers? NO? I can “prove” it.

Hols up both hands in front of you then start counting down the first hand and you end up at 6.

Add to 6 the 5 fingers on your other hand and the answer is 11.

An example from my school days showing that you should not mix 2 different counting/accounting styles to get an answer.

417496 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1289 of 1737 🔗

Yes. I’d spotted that one minute dePiffle is assuring us that 15 million have had the jab and in the next moment is saying 15 million have been offered the jab. He must have been confused by the shifting goalposts.

If the goal was merely to offer jabs, that would explain all the frantic GP telephoning last week.

417508 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to Awkward Git, #1290 of 1737 🔗

The ONS figures today show over 15 million have received the first vaccination : https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

417394 stefarm, 8, #1291 of 1737 🔗

Today marks the start of hotel quarantine in the UK, with arrivals from 33 countries

That number again…… 🧐

417395 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 7, #1292 of 1737 🔗

Come the revolution, and given his penchant for karaoke, I propose that it be mandated that Hancock have his head forcibly shaved and sing In the Air Tonight every evening live on BBC One. Muzzled up of course. He can be nicknamed Phil Collins after that other balding singer.

417481 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1293 of 1737 🔗

I’m SORRY, but I don’t this is the time for jokes.

An EVIL government is about to begin MASS EXPERIMENTATION of children and something has to be done about it.

Hancock should be in JAIL for DECADES.

I have no time for bad jokes. Would you joke about Mengele?

Jesus fucking Christ!

417494 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #1294 of 1737 🔗

You’re in the wrong place then if you can’t tolerate a bit of humour.

417530 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Nymeria, -1, #1295 of 1737 🔗

LOL! See, that is my way of showing humor.

417668 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1296 of 1737 🔗

It’s back to clown college for you, old thing.

417500 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FedupofLies, #1297 of 1737 🔗

something has to be done about it

What do you suggest?

417531 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Anti_socialist, #1298 of 1737 🔗
417658 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FedupofLies, #1299 of 1737 🔗

Who put deep heat on your undercarriage?

417401 Steve Martindale, 33, #1300 of 1737 🔗

Devon Live reported Uberfuhrer Johnson as saying;
”There has been a big change and the big change is that science is now unquestionably in the ascendency over the disease.”
The arrogance, conceit and drivel beggars belief and our dear leader delivers this nonsense whilst looking like a cross between Father Jack and a baboons backside. As far as I can see, if we had not had testing, this winter would have been viewed as a moderate flu year and we would all have been told ‘nothing doing – just brace up and carry on’. But some twat invented testing and turned a normal respiratory disease season into a matter of National Hysteria such that we now have to be grateful to be given back our freedoms of association and travel that should never have been taken away in the first place.
And so that I can once again walk down the road as a freeborn man of the travelling people without being challenged by our brave boys & girls in blue I have to be stabbed by their jungle juice ………….. ” I’d rather drink muddy water, Lay down and sleep in a hollow log”.

417404 Anti_socialist, 3, #1301 of 1737 🔗

An interesting video Project Immanuel – Announcement old info from a different perspective.

“In this video we would like to introduce Project Immanuel, which critically examines the scientific background of the so-called “Corona Crisis.” With the help of the natural scientist and virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka, all fundamental public”

Always worth listening to every angle.

417406 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 10, #1302 of 1737 🔗

Twelve ‘covid’ deaths in Anglesey care home since outbreak began in ‘early January’. Of course, being ascribed to ‘new variant’.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/they-were-like-family-says-19839509#comments-section

417421 ▶▶ l835, replying to Dodderydude, 14, #1303 of 1737 🔗

“ and all residents had recently had their first vaccine.

Home bosses remain in the dark about how the virus broke out in the home given the stringent measures they put in place to prevent any outbreak”

So brainwashed they can’t see what’s right in front of them.

417479 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to l835, 3, #1304 of 1737 🔗

There was an “outbreak” in a German care home after Pfizer jab 2, apparently the British variant.
Management says “we are still sticking to the rules, how did this happen?” As it was supposed to be British version, puzzles me.
They think the staff brought it in, as more staff then residents tested +. Still shows that immunity even after jab2 is compromised.

417455 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #1305 of 1737 🔗

Would that be the Pfizer or AstraZenica variant of Covid?

417464 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dodderydude, 6, #1306 of 1737 🔗

It’s all coming out now innit.

417802 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Londo Mollari, #1308 of 1737 🔗

This makes extremely interesting reading and accumulates the elderly deaths post vaxx – the government would be negligent to not be investigating these.

417413 awildgoose, 1, #1309 of 1737 🔗

Vax agitprop trash in the otherwise decent NY Post:

I got my second COVID-19 vaccine dose — what can I really do now?

https://nypost.com/2021/02/15/i-got-my-second-covid-vaccine-dose-what-can-i-do-now/

417423 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #1310 of 1737 🔗

The roadmap out of lockdown will be “cautious but irreversible”, Boris Johnson has said, as he stressed the need for coronavirus rates to come “really, really low” first. The Prime Minister said his plan – due to be set out on February 22 – would include dates “by which we hope we can do something at the earliest”, following demands from backbench Tories for greater clarity.

….. Mr Johnson said he was was “increasingly optimistic” about the possibilities to ease restrictions, with science “in the ascendancy” against the virus, but did not rule out more to come.
“I’m very hopeful that we’ll be able to go ahead and open things up, but to say I can give an absolute cast iron guarantee that we won’t face further difficulties and have to think harder and deeper about some problems, no at this stage I can’t,” he said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/15/boris-johnson-news-summer-holidays-quarantine-uk-vaccine-lockdown/

BASTARD!!!!

417432 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1311 of 1737 🔗

de Pfeffel piffle.

417435 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1312 of 1737 🔗

The public school boys are loving Lording it over the plebs. We should never forget what a mess they’ve made, and hopefully get some grown ups in soon.

417440 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1313 of 1737 🔗

I do not think any of them being private educated or not would have made any difference.

417465 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1314 of 1737 🔗

Not generalisng but I actually think it does make a difference that these particular public school boys, are only in these jobs because of contacts and background, and not intelligence, I believe the current group fit that circle because of their arrogance.

417485 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1315 of 1737 🔗

What about Merkel in Germany, Macron in France, almost every other rich world leader? Can the schools be blamed for their madness and evil?

417648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Julian, 1, #1316 of 1737 🔗

Macron is a narcissistic megalomaniac, like Gates.
Merkel is a ruthless commie.
In both cases, the education systems at least amplified those traits.

417488 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1317 of 1737 🔗

Public schools fostered this sort of arrogance. The fagging system is a good exmaple.

417542 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1318 of 1737 🔗

Without getting into a state v private education not all private educated children leave school arrogant and there are MP’s who were state educated who have just as much arrogance. It is too simple to say if they had not been at private school none of this would have happened.

I do agree though that a private education, as DanClarke says, does provide a network which in some circumstances helps people to get jobs and positions which would not normally be possible without those contacts.

417653 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1319 of 1737 🔗

Most of my friends and their children are upper middle class dream horders.
The only thing they care about is upholding and widening the advantage of their kids/them over the plebs.

417439 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1320 of 1737 🔗

I didn’t watch or listen but basically he is telling a whole load of porkies as always. Smacks of his previous comments of no further lockdowns. I also read it as regurgitating the bull coming from SAGE over the weekend – very low numbers, still restrictions and may need to have local lockdowns. It is all just more weasel words.

417442 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1321 of 1737 🔗

He doesn’t want to lift any restrictions, ever. That much is now crystal clear after yet more absurd, evasive waffling. I would wager that he hasn’t made a single decision himself at any point in this nightmare. A very, very weak man indeed.

417448 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Richard O, 4, #1322 of 1737 🔗

Correction, he’s playing his allotted role to the letter.

417456 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1323 of 1737 🔗

I believe he is more being used, it is highly likely I agree he is part of some cruel manipulation to achieve others aims, I am not 100% sure he knows he is being used.

417512 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1324 of 1737 🔗

You are too generous to these singleminded zealots.
Johnson Snr has form on all this ex UN EU Rockefeller etc, he’s on record advocating the UK population should be 10-15m .

by the way they are Khazars.

417459 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bill Grates, 5, #1325 of 1737 🔗

I doubt he can even do that. He is a completely empty vessel, devoid of anything even remotely recognisable as human. Programmed rather than acting is probably nearer the mark.

417450 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Richard O, 6, #1326 of 1737 🔗

I agree a very weak and easily manipulated man. The analogy is he is standing on the end of the diving board, he needs to jump, you cann half jump so lift all the restrictions at once. He is dithering on the end of the board. If he does not want to jump get off the board and let someone on it who will jump.

417590 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 3, #1327 of 1737 🔗

The earthworms in my garden have more of a spine. And more guts too.

417654 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to isobar, #1328 of 1737 🔗

And much more useful.

417498 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1329 of 1737 🔗

So it’s irreversible unless they decide to do it again? Huh?

Also, what’s “really, really low”? What happens if it never, ever gets “really, really low?”

417583 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1330 of 1737 🔗

Double bastard!

417645 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cheezilla, #1331 of 1737 🔗

Germany lowered the arbitrary and mefically meaningless incidence figure from 50 to 35 before considering any widespread loosening.
The false positive rate of the PCR test ensures a number of at least 25 at all times.
As I said earlier: they are all just puppets on a/Gates&cos string, and will never ever give us our freedom back, if we don’t do a mass revolt and take it back from them.

417424 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1332 of 1737 🔗

Sussed out accidnetally how to get a reply (even if it is maaningless) from Governemnt departments when you want to know something but it doesn’t fall under the FOI legislation.

If you send them general correspondence it tends to get lost or forgotten about and they never reply.

If you send the letter as a FOI question the FOI team log it, read it, send back a reply almost straight away saying it does not fall under the FOI legislation but is general corrspondence and it has been sent to the relevant team for action and hey presto an answer comes back in a couple of weeks – normally says “we know nothing” but now the correspondence is in the system officially for any future inquiries, investigations etc.

417428 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1333 of 1737 🔗

‘Cautious but irreversible’ LOL. The man’s got more reverse gears than an Italian tank.

417425 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1334 of 1737 🔗

Was this posted yesterday? It’s Gene Therapy, Not a Vaccine – With Dr. David Martin warning woman interviewing has irritating voice.

417506 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1336 of 1737 🔗

Just watched it comrade.Fantastic! Sent it to my grandkids who will now annoy my kids. Wa ha ha ha!!!

417437 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #1338 of 1737 🔗

Trump to Pelosi: “If you strike me down now, I will be more powerful than you can ever imagine”

Gorka gets this pretty well – Pelosi’s (and all the Trump Derangement Democrats’ and RINOs’) vindictive irrationality has single handedly resurrected Trump after his (nominal) defeat (with a hugely increased vote over the 2016 campaign, and the highest ever vote for a presidential candidate barring Biden’s highly questionable one).

In the future, there will be conspiracy theories suggesting that the Democrats did this deliberately to keep Trump in the game.

417447 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 3, #1339 of 1737 🔗

Presumably though if he stands for election in 2024 they will have the same problems with postal votes? So he may well be resurrected but can he be re-elected?

417466 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, 13, #1340 of 1737 🔗

Gorka suggests one of the reasons that the Dems were able to get way with what they did was that the Republican party hierarchy was not behind Trump (which has always been the case). There are grounds to hope that won’t be the case next time.

In reality, Trump’s probably too old to stand again (though I wouldn’t stake my life on it if his health holds up). It’s likely the Biden/Harris regime will do so badly that no amount of the massive spending and big tech/mainstream media bias that they used this time will allow them to have a chance next time, given any reasonable candidate against them.

They are corrupt and known to be so.

Frankly, I would give part of my anatomy to see Trump reelected in 2024, just because like Brexit it would outrage all the people who most need and deserve to be outraged.

417491 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mark, 5, #1341 of 1737 🔗

Ron DeSantis with Trump as cheerleader would clean up in 2024.

417520 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to nottingham69, 1, #1342 of 1737 🔗

Trump will support the candidate who gives him the most opportunity for money. I suspect he will be offered sweet deals to open hotels in China. The whole impeachment is theatre.

I have honestly never understood why people like Trump.

He SUPPORTED the lockdown and enabled Warp Speed.

Occasionally he went off -script because he didn’t really know fully what was going on.

He gave massive tax breaks for corporations.

He should have arrested Gates and Fauci and ended all this.

All that scam artist cares about is himself.

417641 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #1343 of 1737 🔗

I instinctively disliked Trump as a person – he’s everything I dislike in a man. Showy, greedy, pushy, materialist, loud.

But over the past five years I have come to respect him at least for some of the positions he has adopted, in the teeth of the evil establishment consensus. Imo he’s been perhaps the most American US President for many decades. And if we are indeed to judge a man by his enemies, Trump is a veritable giant.

He’s a profoundly flawed person, but so are all successful politicians.

I’m not at all surprised that he achieved such a massive, and massively increased, vote of support from the US people, in the teeth of huge outspending by the Democrats and constant, shameless anti-Trump bias by the media and big tech corps, though.

417674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mark, #1344 of 1737 🔗

Yes last man who threatened the establishment got assassinated, JFK

417834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, #1345 of 1737 🔗

Listening to his speach at the UN a few years ago is prophetic in today’s world.

My view of him changed completely in the last 12 months

417493 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 1, #1346 of 1737 🔗

The blind Bulgarian mystic Baba Vanga is a cult conspiracy theory figure who said 2020 would see the last American president, she predicted Muslim terrorists will try to wipe out Europe with a chemical attack in 2020, Vladimir Putin will survive an assassination attempt and Donald Trump will fall ill, predicts blind mystic Baba Vanga who ‘foresaw’ 9/11 LOL LOL who’s Gorka?

417452 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mark, 1, #1347 of 1737 🔗

isn’t reality reality however you try to spin it

every action has a reaction….

417444 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 51, #1348 of 1737 🔗

Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson and Williamson can say what they like now about the virus being on the retreat and opening-up, blah, blah… The facts are that this bunch of lunatics oversaw the greatest decline in the UK economy for over 300 years, as well as destroying the social fabric of our society, collapsing small businesses, decimated personal finances, placed millions out of work and singlehandedly destroyed the education system. And worst of all, created a massive human tragedy, across all age groups.

They will have to face the consequences of their actions.

417454 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 14, #1349 of 1737 🔗

Many have said on here before but with furlough agreed to the end of April, lots of restrictions will remain to at least then. If furlough or anything by any other name introduced past April we have our answer.

417468 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #1350 of 1737 🔗

The SEISS scheme for the self-employed has not been announced to extend beyond April either, which is hopefully a good sign.

417519 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1351 of 1737 🔗

Yes, there is a part of me which worries Sunak’s dislike of the self employed means he has just hope they will go away.

417525 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1352 of 1737 🔗

He was parachuted in from Goldman Sachs. He’s following the plan.

417528 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bill Grates, 8, #1353 of 1737 🔗

Whatever he is doing I dislike him and cannot see how so many think he is doing a good job and dare I mention it the next PM.

417602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1354 of 1737 🔗

Anyone who names his business Theleme is not to be trusted!

417780 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1355 of 1737 🔗

He’s done his level best to ensure that they do.

417480 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1356 of 1737 🔗

Even when furlough ends we will still have masks, SD, limits on crowd sizes, restrictions on travel, mass testing and forced isolation etc etc

All part of “lockdown” – it doesn’t end when the pubs “reopen” (they won’t be properly open again, ever – at least not in my lifetime)

417513 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Julian, 6, #1357 of 1737 🔗

Yes I expect we well but those who have had a year of being paid for doing nothing will have a rude awakening, they may not like so many of the restrictions if they actually have to return to work or find they have no job.

417562 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1358 of 1737 🔗

The budget in March will be a clearer indication of where we are heading than anything the fat dictator says next week

417639 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 1, #1359 of 1737 🔗

Probably and sadly not during their time on Earth though.

417458 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1360 of 1737 🔗

Some excellent points but an underpinning that’s worrying. Worth adding to the comments I reckon:

Scrapping social distancing must be part of the Government’s roadmap out of lockdown Let’s not forget that distancing is incredibly damaging to both the economy and wellbeing

…. We should not extend this horror a moment more than necessary. Once the top four most vulnerable categories have been vaccinated and their immunity kicks in, if the vaccines work the infection fatality rate will collapse to close to that of a bad flu and the health crisis is over. That doesn’t mean we should open everything immediately on March 8th. We need to check the vaccines actually work as hoped in practice. So a phased relaxation of lockdown and other domestic restrictions makes sense.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/15/scrapping-social-distancing-must-part-governments-roadmap-lockdown/

417474 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1361 of 1737 🔗

And also never been mentioned in a y legislation no matter what the Government Legal Department tried to claim.

417596 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1362 of 1737 🔗

We tend to think of social distancing as being about people jumping into bushes and stickers on the floor in shops.
However, the main impact of social distancing rules has been enabling excuses to regulate and cripple businesses.

417635 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1363 of 1737 🔗

And preventing dissent from coming up and spreading….

417699 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1364 of 1737 🔗

Theatres, concert halls, spectator sports other than the top levels where they get a lot of TV money – all are unviable with social distancing because of the restricted numbers of people able to attend.

417778 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1365 of 1737 🔗

Worse than that, it’s put the zombies into a state of mind whereby any sort of human association means death. Worst of all, the zombies have ground that idea into their children. Today’s little children must be unable to remember a time when other human beings were not considered as toxic sacks of death.

417476 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1366 of 1737 🔗

We need to check the vaccines actually work as hoped in practice. “

Who said this? If it’s someone from the “authorities” then that’s a very odd statement. The use of the word “hoped” in place of “expected” or “as per the trials” is odd, and the implication that so far they are not checking is astonishing – surely they would be all over the data like a rash? Except I think they DGAF.

More theatre, and no-one from the MSM calls them out on it

417484 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1367 of 1737 🔗

I just wish The Telegraph would read and understand the legislation, social distancing has never been legislated, so there is no need for it to be included it as part of the roadmap, it is not law. It annoys me an action which is guidance only is spoken about as something which can be lifted and the people told as to whether they can or cannot do it.

417495 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cumbriacracked, 7, #1368 of 1737 🔗

True, but it needs to stop being guidance so that people will stop shouting at me when I accidentally stray too close. It makes for a horrible atmosphere.

417504 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1369 of 1737 🔗

Yes of course, I didn’t make myself clear it all needs to go my annoyance is the MSM choosing to make people believe it is legal.

I agree with allowing people to continue to sd and wear masks and hop on one leg if it makes them feel better as long as we are not expected to do the same and most importantly put our lives on hold until they feel safe to return to normality.

417873 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to A. Contrarian, #1370 of 1737 🔗

People will stop shouting at you if you tell them not to. Or clout them. Choice is yours.

417492 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1371 of 1737 🔗

I’d be quite happy for anyone who still wants to social distance to wear some sort of identifying tag (I know, I know – but non-mask wearers have had to be tagged throughout) – a bit like the yellow ribbon system for nervous dogs – and I’d be quite happy to keep away from them…

417747 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1372 of 1737 🔗

hmmm.. some sort of identifying tag.. this ought to do it: 🙂

417637 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1373 of 1737 🔗

SD was invented by a 14 year old for high school contest in which she/it came third.
Nuff said.

417460 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #1374 of 1737 🔗

The Silence of The Doctors

“Help us support the doctors, nurses, caregivers, and staff who speak out and stand up to defend the scientific method, good medicine, and good science. And in particular, putting an end to the growing scourge of sham peer reviews, which is a growing epidemic plaguing physicians who put patients first.” Website: livewellaps.com/standup

417472 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1375 of 1737 🔗

this hits direct to the problem – without these good voices there is no debate – evil wins

417489 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 14, #1376 of 1737 🔗

I remember a family friend of many many years ‘whistle blowing’ against the system in the NHS that was killing kids – Dave Davis even gave him a mention in the Hs of P – yet the corrupt system won – this Dr had nothing to gain and even gave up a 6 fig £ sum to shut up but chose to fight on – kinda says it all – do not trust the medical establishment – you are not their concern – he was later head hunted by OZ and US hospitals recognising his brilliance…

NHS my fucking arse..;.

417511 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Major Panic, 27, #1377 of 1737 🔗

I say it stentoriously: FUCK THE NHS!

Yet it is such a fucking national treasure that even on this site I notice such comments are quite likely to get thumbs down.

I don’t care.

FUCK THE NHS!

ABOLISH IT!

Pay for you own fucking healthcare from now on.

The problem is everybody thinks they are fucking owed.

No, they are fucking NOT!

417927 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FedupofLies, #1378 of 1737 🔗

only place you get free cheese is in a mousetrap

417463 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 15, #1379 of 1737 🔗

As part of my job as a planning officer, I may not be universally popular. However, I am required to undertake site visits from the grounds of applicant’s properties. This is to check that what’s on site matches with the plans they’ve submitted for their extensions etc.

Now, after almost a year of site visits during ‘Covid’, I came across my first suspected ultra locky lover/’Coronaphobe’ today. I knocked on the front door and a 30-something woman answered…well, sort of. She refused to open the door, forcing me to communicate instead through a pane of glass within the front door. We couldn’t hear each other properly other than her saying that I should send her ‘a letter’ when I wanted to visit and that I should come back only after having done that. Thank f*ck this isn’t the norm on my visits. Most people have been friendly and eager to engage, with many people clearly tired of the nonsense.

Maybe this was just a very security-conscious individual, but I suspect it was all more due to the current madness.

417490 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 20, #1380 of 1737 🔗

I actually have quite a lot of sympathy for the people who have been totally terrified by the government and MSM, they have destroyed people lives by scaring them witless. Not the majority but the type of person you encountered.

Agoraphobia numbers as a mental illness must have increased.

417543 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1381 of 1737 🔗

Even the excellent Neil Oliver admitted to a kind of agoraphobia and recognised that this could be a problem.

417547 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Banjones, 1, #1382 of 1737 🔗

I am not surprised at all.

417771 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1383 of 1737 🔗

I have none.If you give up being human, you deserve no human sympathy.

417582 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 1, #1384 of 1737 🔗

Will her builders have to work in hazmat suits?

417470 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1385 of 1737 🔗

Sad I know but reading this:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42

The clause stating:

“here shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.”

Does not apply to all the Articles as has been stated and is commonly believed but is only applicable to Articles 8-11

Article 8 Right to respect for private and family life

Article 9 Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

Article 10 Freedom of expression

Article 11 Freedom of assembly and association

So the Articles about Prohibition of Torture, Right to Life, Right to Liberty and Security are still valid so has the Government broken the Right to Liberty Article?

417769 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1386 of 1737 🔗

All useless.If human rights are only rights when it’s convenient to a totalitarian government, then there are no human rights.

417473 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1387 of 1737 🔗

Dr. Carrie Madej ~ Planet Lockdown (Full Interview) I like her because she’s pretty 😉 but you can check out other interviews here

417497 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1388 of 1737 🔗

Her views on the vaccine are really terrifying.

417523 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1389 of 1737 🔗

See also Dr Lee Merrit , Dr Judy Mikovits (good vid with Dr Mercola)

417605 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1390 of 1737 🔗

Sucharit Bhakdi | Full Interview | Planet Lockdown has big balls, doesn’t mince his words.

417647 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, #1391 of 1737 🔗

Yes he great isn’t he.

417696 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Janette, 2, #1392 of 1737 🔗

He mostly sticks to medical details but says it is all planned and to do with the Great Reset etc and didn’t even squirm at Agenda 21/30 when it was mentioned in another video by the interviewer.

He is Peter Hitchens favourite scientist as for ages he kept on mentioning him, and yet Peter Hitchens hasn’t gone into the real reasons behind the lockdown. I consider Hitchens irrelevant now and out of date.

It sickens me that people have heard of the names of either social ‘scientist’ scum or pen pushing bureaucrat doctors when real scientists like Sunetra Gupta, Johan Ioannidis and Bhakdi et al should be household names.

417475 smithey, replying to smithey, 81, #1393 of 1737 🔗

So, got home from work early this evening and thought I would put the TV on while I was cooking dinner. Just so happened that the channel that came on was the BBC and the local ‘news’ was on. I live in Yorkshire so the programme was Look North. I have not watched this programme for years and can now see why! It is blatant government propaganda.

To sum up the show was hosted by 2 women who did not have an analytical bone in their bodies. To make this worse they both spoke in a tone suited to lobotomised simpletons.

They started with a piece about some bad bad people in Scarborough who had been committing the most heinous of crimes of having house parties with friends. The report showed our heroic boys and girls in blue touring the town at night, breaking up house parties and issuing fines. All the police officers interviewed had a moan about how they are been overstretched by the selfish young people wanting to meet up with friends and have a few drinks (how on earth they can be overstretched by this when all the bars and pubs are closed and everyone is locked in their homes so reducing the opportunities for burglars was not explained). As an aside, every single copper interviewed sounded as thick as two short planks, these people were hardly Inspector Morse, Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes in the making. The 2 female presenter concluded the piece by telling us that the people breaking the rules by having parties are bad and should be doing what all good citizens are doing and waiting till our government tells them they can see their friends.

Who the Hell watches this stuff without seeing it for the blatant government attempt at thought control that it is! I turned off after a few minutes of this but a significant proportion of the population must watch it believing it is fair and balanced news. I don’t know what is more terrifying!

Sorry I appreciate this is not a particularly constructive comment, I just needed to have a rant. I cannot believe what has happened to my country.

417501 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to smithey, 19, #1394 of 1737 🔗

It is infantilising rubbish.

417514 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to FedupofLies, 13, #1395 of 1737 🔗

It really is. I could not believe just how infantisling it is. It felt like it was aimed at Year 3 Primary School Children. A brief glimmer of hope though, Channel 4 news mentioned that a significant proportion of medical staff have declined the Covid vaccine. A small flicker of independent analysis but at least it was there.

417502 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to smithey, 16, #1396 of 1737 🔗

Miserable small people whose only source of joy is watching other people being made as miserable and small as them.

417503 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to smithey, 13, #1397 of 1737 🔗

Good to see that people are breaking the rules. But judging by the number of people going for the experimental shots we are a nation of lobotomised simpletons.

417507 ▶▶ Kat, replying to smithey, 39, #1398 of 1737 🔗

It was a mild sunny day in my neck of the woods this afternoon. I went for a walk with a friend and just as we were nearing our cars encountered at least five young men (drinking from beer cans) who then went off together into a field. Moments later around 20 teenagers walked up the lane, clearly intending to have a get together. It made my heart sing – good luck to them. I just hope none of the middle aged walkers they passed snitched on them.

417518 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Kat, 8, #1399 of 1737 🔗

Round my way over the weekend the traffic was really heavy, it felt just like a normal weekend. Must be a good sign.

417550 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Kat, 7, #1400 of 1737 🔗

I love hearing that type of thing Kat

417564 ▶▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Janette, 5, #1401 of 1737 🔗

I am in late middle age but I think older people like me have had it their own way for far too long.

417510 ▶▶ Paul, replying to smithey, 17, #1402 of 1737 🔗

That’s a spot on analysis of BBC local news,ours,BBC East Midlands,is exactly the same.
The programme schedule of stories is now usually covid,vaccine,vaccine,covid,stupid pointless bit of covid era sport,vaccine,covid and usually ends with a ‘lockdown isn’t that bad ‘heart-warming’ story.
Utter propaganda,complete crap.

417516 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Paul, 8, #1403 of 1737 🔗

It is diabolical. The presenters and producers are a disgrace to journalism.

417537 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to smithey, 5, #1404 of 1737 🔗

”Journalism”? They obviously don’t care so long as they get money in their bank. There’s not much honour among thieves.

417573 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to smithey, 1, #1405 of 1737 🔗

Look North was always pretty diabolical, full of hyperbolic bad news and overblown trivial stuff. I don’t suppose Calendar would be any better.

417545 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to smithey, 1, #1406 of 1737 🔗

You can write. I rather enjoyed that.

417651 ▶▶ RickH, replying to smithey, 2, #1407 of 1737 🔗

Who the Hell watches this stuff …..?”

Unfortunately – a hell of a lot. And most do believe it, because there has been a massive step up in the use of the major broadcasters as propagandists.

People are not simply stupid. The organs of the MSM has always had an establishment bias, and various individual quirks – but within that framework, people could get real news – as trustworthy as that output can be.

They have carried over that same frame of reference to an era of blatant propaganda. The Corbyn/antisemitism stuff was the first egregious example (and no, that’s not a political point – it’s a factual point about propaganda and narrative).

We now have Covid. ‘Nuff said – the techniques are the same: exclusion and distortion, now dominating the nation’s thought processes.

The female presenters are just reading a propaganda script.

417709 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to RickH, 2, #1408 of 1737 🔗

From now on, ‘Corbyn’ should be Piers Corbyn. We should specify if we mean the cowardly brother. IF we get through this, Piers Corbyn will go back to being the more famous of the two, and recognised as a truly brave and moral man.

417509 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 17, #1409 of 1737 🔗

Correct me if I’m wrong, but…

The UK has 4600 quarantine hotel rooms. Some govt twat (can’t remember which) has stated that they “don’t think” that more than 1000 people per day will require one.

Day 1, 1000 rooms occupied. Day 2, 2000. You can see where I’m going with this. By day 10 there will be 10,000 occupied rooms. This figure should remain fairly steady as 1000 leave on day 11 having completed their 10-day stint, but another 1000 come in to replace them.

It’s not going to work…

417521 ▶▶ smithey, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1410 of 1737 🔗

Good

417522 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #1411 of 1737 🔗

Maybe they could share rooms to solve the problem!

417595 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steeve, 2, #1412 of 1737 🔗

Great solution – innovative.

417603 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to A. Contrarian, #1413 of 1737 🔗

Thanks A. – needed some encouragement!

417526 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1414 of 1737 🔗

I was told by an acquaintance whose relative works for Air India or Virgin (or whatever) that there are THOUSANDS of people arriving in the UK each day. Yes, the same number leave – but what of quarantine? Or is it one rule for them…. etc?

417568 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1415 of 1737 🔗

But surely not thousands coming from the 33 on the red list. They’re not your everyday destinations!

417566 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1416 of 1737 🔗

Absolute Shower ( said in the mode of Terry Thomas 😉 )

417633 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1417 of 1737 🔗

It’s like the increased hospital capacity – pure theatre, as Julian has said.

‘Look them in the eyes. Then poke them with two fingers’. 🙂

417524 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 23, #1418 of 1737 🔗

I find I watch some TV – I don’t live alone.

I am sickened – utterly SICKENED – by that ridiculous, insulting ”look into their eyes” manipulative tosh.
(My cousin is completely devastated by them – not the brightest button in the box though.)
I told her these are ACTORS!  They are paid to ACT!  They are paid out of PUBLIC MONEY!

Does anyone know how we can find out how much these ads cost, and how much these ac TORS are actually paid? Can we seek FOI?

It is the fact that many people actually fall for this stuff that is most depressing. What is WRONG with people? How come some frogs managed to leap out before the water became too hot?

417540 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Banjones, 11, #1419 of 1737 🔗

I don’t watch any tv adverts and don’t go into shops but saw an ad outside a bus stop the other day, Billboard size, look into their eyes, it said, I agree the cost of all of this must be phenomenal, it would be very interesting to know how much, even all of the notices put out by councils

417557 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1420 of 1737 🔗

How do we find out?

417795 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, #1422 of 1737 🔗
417546 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Banjones, 7, #1423 of 1737 🔗

I can’t get why they are still pushing this stupid advert. The disease if it ever existed is on its way out. It’s absolute madness!

417578 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Janette, 4, #1424 of 1737 🔗

I think trying to rationalise any govt actions in terms of science or logic or public health is futile – think of it in terms of political theatre – then it all makes sense

417556 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Banjones, 1, #1425 of 1737 🔗
417601 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, #1426 of 1737 🔗

Who is she (don’t do the beeb)

417710 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, #1428 of 1737 🔗

FFS i fell for that, in my defence i haven’t watched terrestrial tv for at least 2 decades.

417606 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, 3, #1429 of 1737 🔗

But according to tonight’s BBC Panorama special it’s the people opposing vaccines who are indulging in propaganda!

417529 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 16, #1430 of 1737 🔗

Where the FUCK are the 14 to 25 year olds? Why aren’t they QUESTIONING and REVOLTING?!

417532 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #1431 of 1737 🔗

they are still revolting

417555 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1432 of 1737 🔗

They haven’t been given the opportunity to be anything else – this year has really knocked it out of them. The upcoming ones and the ones who are in the middle of it all. How can they find a way to rebel?

417574 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Banjones, 6, #1433 of 1737 🔗

i was revolting at their age – it’s just that they are shit at it

417581 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1434 of 1737 🔗

the youths are pre-programmed for the fucked up reset

the good times are behind us

417591 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1435 of 1737 🔗

What a depressing point of view

417598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1436 of 1737 🔗

isnt it

wind is fucking wind

417631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Major Panic, #1437 of 1737 🔗

Constant profanity (and I’m no prude) makes your comments a bit tiresome. Though I agree with your sentiments usually.

417759 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 2, #1438 of 1737 🔗

I agree. This site is so full of the f word that reading it now leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. And what do the f…. sayers say when they are really riled up? We’re suffering from vilification inflation.

417854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Annie, #1439 of 1737 🔗

People are angry for god’s sake. This is a time to swear.

417628 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Major Panic, #1440 of 1737 🔗

You could talk to your peers. Face to face. In real time. Watch them, listen to them, touch them, smell them, even. You really think that rebellion could be fomented on a zoom call? They’re just as revolting as we were – it’s just that they don’t the opportunity of sharing it effectively.

417690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Banjones, #1441 of 1737 🔗

wake up dickhead

417695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #1442 of 1737 🔗

unfortunately – the last resort is not pretty – never is

although, I agree, being nice is lovely

417533 ▶▶ smithey, replying to FedupofLies, 12, #1443 of 1737 🔗

Because the education system today does not teach people to think critically.

417535 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to smithey, 4, #1444 of 1737 🔗

Do you suppose it once did?

Schooling was always primarily concerned with making good compliant workers.

417600 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, 2, #1445 of 1737 🔗

When I was at school RE was still mandatory, I thought everyone was mad, I couldn’t understand why everyone blindly conformed to their rules, still can’t.

417692 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, #1446 of 1737 🔗

I got into hot water after our 2nd year exams. I’d written about a reimagined version of the burning bush story, wherein Moses flipped out while on acid, and was taken away in a straitjacket by men in a yellow ambulance.

I was lectured at length by the PE teacher. I asked if this was because when he grew up he wanted to be promoted from PE to RE.

He was used to being able to hit us with a cricket bat, but that had just been banned. He was so young when he had his stroke.

417536 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to smithey, 3, #1447 of 1737 🔗

Even the so-called Anonymous haven’t been on this.

417544 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #1448 of 1737 🔗

I have no idea, but it is they who stand to lose the most. Then again, if they never really experience freedom then perhaps it won’t hurt them as much to live in total subjugation to the state for the rest of their lives.

417567 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Richard O, 14, #1449 of 1737 🔗

Birds in a Cage

A young finch asked an old one, “Why is it that you cry?
You have more comfort in this cage than when you were outside.”
“You were born inside this cage, so you I can forgive;
But I was free and now am caged and do not wish to live.”

Ignacy Krasicki (Polish, 18th c., transl. Gerard T. Kapolka)

417681 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Richard O, 2, #1450 of 1737 🔗

Well, I’m only a couple of years older than that age bracket and I can tell you that I fear tyranny far more than anything, including death. I went through a similar education to them, too. Am I just different from them? :/

417762 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 2, #1451 of 1737 🔗

Yes, same as us sceptical oldies are different from the mass of old zombies cowering under the bed.

417551 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to FedupofLies, 9, #1452 of 1737 🔗

It’s because they being denied communication with their peers. We can’t blame them – because when WE were rebels and questioning, and revolting, we could speak to like-minded rebels, and raise a glass and be passionate about our future?
How can these youngsters hope to be given the opportunity to emulate those days?

417558 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #1453 of 1737 🔗

Because honest discussion and information aimed at them on social media is non existent?
I see plenty of critical posts on my Insta, but it is not aimed at their age group.
And these social media “fact checkers” will eliminate such posts quickly.

417559 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #1454 of 1737 🔗

Western educational systems have been all about indoctrination and brainwashing for a couple decades now.

417575 ▶▶ Julian, replying to FedupofLies, 10, #1455 of 1737 🔗

The two people in that category I am closest to are 100% anti lockdown and break the rules as often as they are able

I think there’s a lot of illegal socialising going on in people’s houses, especially shared houses and flats

What is lacking is any kind of focus or organisation – but that is lacking generally

417755 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Julian, 1, #1456 of 1737 🔗

Individual action like this is the best form of opposition to the government regulations. There is no focus of activity upon which the authorities can act and they don’t know how widespread opposition is. Keep them guessing and hide in plain sight!

417858 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to richardw53, #1457 of 1737 🔗

No, it is part and parcel of opposition to government regulations.

it is NOT going to solve the problem that those who refuse the vaccine are going to be starved out.

417587 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #1458 of 1737 🔗

Because they’re all hanging out in the park and smoking weed.

417625 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1459 of 1737 🔗

Too busy being woke, whilst having their heads glued to their phones.

417859 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Andrew K, #1460 of 1737 🔗

Then if V exists he better come NOW!

417549 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 2, #1461 of 1737 🔗

I don’t share the writer’s confidence in masks but the article shows how dubious tests are. I wonder how many were false postives?
https://www.diamandis.com/blog/false-sense-security

417560 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1462 of 1737 🔗

Conclusion: Masks work. FFS!

417589 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1463 of 1737 🔗

There are both false negatives and positives-I think he was expecting 100% effectiveness. But what it demonstrates is that unless the jabs work, natural herd immunity is the only way. This is the opposite of what he wanted to show of course.

417552 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 20, #1464 of 1737 🔗

I just watched Panorama.
Basically the message was: Switch off your ability to think and just believe what we tell you and act accordingly. Be a robot.

Their supporters commented on the video of covid critics they showed to people who were undecided that it was relentless propaganda, driving in the message over and over again.

What was the bible saying: before you point out the splinter in the other eye, deal with the large piece of timber stuck in yours.

417610 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Silke David, 4, #1466 of 1737 🔗

I caught the last 5 minutes.There was a lot of loving big brother.

417619 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Silke David, 1, #1467 of 1737 🔗

I decided not to watch it but if one did watch it and knew nothing about the vaccine do you think we would be swayed to take it?

417642 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Janette, 2, #1468 of 1737 🔗

It was more about “covid deniers” and “fake news” on social media, not a medical program.
Then full of the govt message it is safe, we should all take it to do our bit for society.

417644 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Janette, 3, #1469 of 1737 🔗

Not if you have any critical thinking skills. Those members of the public who participated in the programme’s experiment of showing them the ‘anti-vaxxers’ propaganda’ (their words) admitted that they found the video to be plausible and the experts convincing, and clearly we were led to believe by the reporter that this is the skill of the propaganda. Someone even remarked that for people who were undecided they could easily be swayed by the ‘slick video’. But then, as I have just posted, they brought on the saviour Prof Liam Smeeth of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine to tell us that everything stated on the video was untrue. He didn’t analyse why they claimed what they did or produce any evidence himself to prove it wasn’t true…we had to accept that if he said it wasn’t true then it wasn’t true.

417652 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1470 of 1737 🔗

A 30minute program can not examine a topic like this anywhere in depth.

417656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Silke David, 4, #1471 of 1737 🔗

Indeed. It was a 30 minute propaganda slot! My one hope is that it might have backfired by arousing some people’s interest in what the featured experts have been saying, particularly as Smeeth wasn’t convincing in his fact-free responses.

417627 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Silke David, 2, #1472 of 1737 🔗

Prof Liam Smeeth – another name to remember when the day of reckoning comes. He only has to answer every legitimate question with “I can assure you it’s not true” and, for some inexplicable reason, we were supposed to regard that as irrefutable evidence supporting the covid vaccines.

417650 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1473 of 1737 🔗

Yeah. If I want to inform myself about sth, I look at several sources, at least 3, from several viewpoints, and hopefully some facts that have been around for years and have been found to be true.

417662 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Silke David, 2, #1474 of 1737 🔗

I think we are, or should I say they are at the fight you stage. We’ve gone past the first two stages, there’s just one step left. We win!!!

417676 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1475 of 1737 🔗

Ghandi had years to prepare. This has all happened so suddenly. Finkelstein, by the way, is excellent on Ghandi as effective action.

I don’t know where he stands on this ScamPlandemic.

417754 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 1, #1476 of 1737 🔗

The Beeb disapproves of relentless propaganda?

417820 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, #1477 of 1737 🔗

It’s a Marianna Spring production. Pointless propaganda trying to make it us and them. Ignore. Move on.

417553 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #1478 of 1737 🔗

Anyone see the resemblance?

417571 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1479 of 1737 🔗

Just for comparison, this is what a real leader looks like. Johnson is not fit to shine his shoes.

417620 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1480 of 1737 🔗

Not to shit on your parade Steve, but winstone was responsible for the murder of millions of Indians through starvation. His retort, “well they bread like rabbits”

417636 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1481 of 1737 🔗

Bread? Let them eat cake, sort of thing?

417748 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Banjones, #1482 of 1737 🔗

Oops you know what I meant, Breed, Breed Breed

417785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Andrew K, #1483 of 1737 🔗

Responsible,
When?
Responsible how exactly?

417791 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1484 of 1737 🔗

Ah its the usual left wing canard, in the middle of a world war:
“The truth—documented by Sir Martin Gilbert and Hillsdale College—is that Churchill did everything he could in the midst of world war to save the Bengalis; and that without him the famine would have been worse.4

On receiving news of the spreading food shortage Churchill spoke to his Cabinet, saying he would welcome a statement by Lord Wavell, his new Viceroy of India, that his duty “was to make sure that India was a safe base for the great operations against Japan which were now pending, and that the war was pressed to a successful conclusion, and that famine and food difficulties were dealt with.” (Italics mine.)5

Churchill then wrote to Wavell personally:

Peace, order and a high condition of war-time well-being among the masses of the people constitute the essential foundation of the forward thrust against the enemy….The hard pressures of world-war have for the first time for many years brought conditions of scarcity, verging in some localities into actual famine, upon India. Every effort must be made, even by the diversion of shipping urgently needed for war purposes, to deal with local shortages….Every effort should be made by you to assuage the strife between the Hindus and Moslems and to induce them to work together for the common good.6

Again Churchill expressed his wish for “the best possible standard of living for the largest number of people.”7

Next Churchill turned to famine relief. Canada had offered aid, but in thanking Prime Minister MacKenzie King, Churchill noted a shipping problem: “Wheat from Canada would take at least two months to reach India whereas it could be carried from Australia in 3 to 4 weeks.”8

At Churchill’s urging, Australia promised 350,000 tons of wheat. King still wanted to help. Churchill feared a resultant loss of war shipments between Canada and Australia,9 but King assured him there would be no shortfall. Canada’s contribution, he said, would pay “dividends in humanitarian aspects….”10

The famine continued into 1944, causing Secretary of State for India Leopold Amery to request one million tons of grain. Churchill, who had been studying consumption statistics, now believed India was receiving more than she would need. He remained concerned about the shipping problem, “given the effect of its diversion alike on operations and on our imports of food into this country, which could be further reduced only at the cost of much suffering.”11

The Cabinet cited other causes of the famine rarely mentioned in latter-day denunciations of Churchill: the shortages were “partly political in character, caused by Marwari supporters of Congress [Gandhi’s party] in an effort to embarrass the existing Muslim Government of Bengal.” Another cause, they added, was corrupt local officials: “The Government of India were unduly tender with speculators and hoarders.””
https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/did-churchill-cause-the-bengal-famine/

417719 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1485 of 1737 🔗

So WHERE are the leaders? I want some prominent figure to rally around who has some clout.

I think about the left again, too, the anti-globalisation left. As I’ve mentioned before, Chomsky, Hedges et al. They just don’t fucking care. This, the greatest threat to humanity in our lifetime, and, frankly, if the technohorror suggested by some doctors is true, of humanity’s lifetime.

Is it just that they REALLY hate Trump?

Someone suggested Chomsky might be too old. But I saw him from a few days ago and he seemed connected with the world.

It’s just horrifying. I know Naomi Klein has said some good things, though I haven’t really been following her.

Anyway, we NEED a Churchill.

DeSantis? I can’t find his views on the experimental gene therapy. Edit: all I can find is him asking for more of them and saying he wouldn’t be vaccinated until ‘the vulnerable’ have been.

Jesus Christ! Is EVERYONE false opposition? Can we not just have a hero, please?!

IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE VACCINE!

IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE VACCINE!

IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE VACCINE!

… wrote Winston Smith circa 2100.

We HAVE to stop this Brave New World as it seems even less appetizing than Huxley’s rendering.

Worldwide Day of Protest — #IDoNotComply

417811 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to FedupofLies, #1486 of 1737 🔗

Sir Charles Walker 😇

417613 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, #1487 of 1737 🔗

Haha

417745 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, #1488 of 1737 🔗

Uncanny!

417554 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1489 of 1737 🔗

UK Column made an interesting analysis of this rather sinister video clip with Bill Gates. There’s a short technical glitch in the middle but bear with it. The article is only 5 mins long.

https://youtu.be/FjT3Svigs_o?t=472

The whole broadcast was excellent, as usual.

417604 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1490 of 1737 🔗

Is there anything in that kind of symbolism? The giant extinct animal swallowing man. I mean, seriously, is there? Because I hear it couched a lot in Satanic terms by certain evangelical Americans.

And then stuff like William Shakespeare ( All the world’s a stage ) being the first male recipient. I am sure he is real.

There are other ones apparently but I can’t remember.

417816 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FedupofLies, #1491 of 1737 🔗

I certainly think symbolism is evident throughout history. Having read a book or two on it, the masonic stuff is everywhere for sure.

417611 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1492 of 1737 🔗

Wasn’t it very odd the way the Gates of Hell was portrayed in this video like some kind of saviour that is here to save us all? Not

417561 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 14, #1493 of 1737 🔗

What a shock Dr Vernon Coleman singled out on the Panorama fake news propaganda show. The presenter even by BBC standards, dismal. Space shield and face muzzle, what a complete moron. Dowden the rat, just added to the vibe.

The programme was complete shit. The Billy Gates scientist was very unconvincing on fertility, for a lady of child bearing age, say no.

417586 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to nottingham69, 3, #1494 of 1737 🔗

Does Coleman still end his videos with “we WILL win this war…”?

417626 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1495 of 1737 🔗

His most recent one brought him to tears and he swore he was so emotional.

417572 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1496 of 1737 🔗

Psycho – Path – To – Nowhere. Vote for Zero – Piers.

417579 ▶▶ Will, replying to godowneasy, 12, #1497 of 1737 🔗

His bitch has written the same in the Telegraph. What a hateful pair they are.

417597 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Will, 12, #1498 of 1737 🔗

Paid establishment lackeys

417580 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 16, #1499 of 1737 🔗

In my case, he will get his wish. I would rather de dead than “live” in a “society” that considers being “responsible” total submission to a technocratic slave state.

Also, this is easy for him to say as he will never receive the vaccine or be subject to any travel restrictions.

417584 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Richard O, 9, #1500 of 1737 🔗

He’s a dirty little Julius Streicher.

417594 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1501 of 1737 🔗
417599 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1502 of 1737 🔗

He needs to get back in his box. Any type of box, I’m not fussy.

417615 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to godowneasy, 11, #1503 of 1737 🔗

So Piers Morgan is happy to discriminate against those who are disabled, have medical conditions or who hold strong religious or philosophical beliefs which preclude vaccination. I’m sure he’s pro lots of things, but free choice, bodily autonomy, not so much.

417740 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to this is my username, 2, #1504 of 1737 🔗

And against racial minorities.

417616 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1505 of 1737 🔗

What a self-serving plonker. He is so transparent yet he really thinks he’s clever. Pathetic.
And he calls himself a ”responsible citizen”! You couldn’t make it up!

417617 ▶▶ IvanDP, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1506 of 1737 🔗

Who the fuck does this idiot think he is????

417630 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to IvanDP, 3, #1507 of 1737 🔗

The problem is he doesn’t think which means he’s never thought of himself as an idiot.

417618 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1508 of 1737 🔗

He whom the Gods want to destroy…..

417624 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1509 of 1737 🔗

May I introduce him to my mother-in-law, who would likely die on the spot if she got any vaccine, and to my sister-in-law, who became mentally handicapped through the smallpox vaccine?
Or would he consider shutting up and eating his words without that?

417743 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JayBee, 1, #1510 of 1737 🔗

You think he’d care?
Look in his eyes and tell me.

417638 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1511 of 1737 🔗

He really is an utter cunt.

417640 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1512 of 1737 🔗

What a cunt he needs to die

417649 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jaguarpig, 3, #1513 of 1737 🔗

I’ve noticed a theme to your posts.

417861 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, #1514 of 1737 🔗

Good, innit 🙂

417661 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1515 of 1737 🔗

What about non social distancing “loonies” like his BLM protest supporting son, whose actions in taking part in the non socially distanced BLM protest Morgan the Criminal commended? What about GMB personnel who take part in non sociall distanced media scrums?

417781 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1516 of 1737 🔗

Piers Morgan is a wanker…I repeat…Piers Morgan is a wanker!!!!

417807 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1517 of 1737 🔗

Hypocritical Cunt !!!!