2021-02-16

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417936 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 178, #1 of 1944 🔗

Time to open up, whether or not the vaccines work!

If they do work, 15 million of the most vulnerable have been offered them.

If they don’t work, what else have they got? They announced months ago on one of those daily briefings that “the way out of this is drugs and vaccines”.

Unless they are going to talk to some proper scientists and try vitamin D etc. then forget it, time to move on before we really are bankrupt. And send that fact finding mission to Belarus, Sweden etc.!

And as for infections falling to “really really low levels”, how high does suicide/unemployment/national debt etc. have to get before Stop At Naught Hancock will consider ending this shambles on their account? Or do other issues not count?

417939 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Hugh, 66, #2 of 1944 🔗

Oh and check the second article in “roundup” on vitamin D cutting Covid deaths in hospitals by 60% – are you watching Boris?

417952 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Hugh, 23, #3 of 1944 🔗

Boris is a stage name

418025 ▶▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Cecil B, 11, #4 of 1944 🔗

Don’t you mean Doris?

418045 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to cloud6, 28, #5 of 1944 🔗

He means Shit-for-brains

419465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sophie123, 4, #6 of 1944 🔗

That’s being a bit hard on shit.

419094 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to cloud6, 9, #7 of 1944 🔗

From Wikipedia: The Great Reset is the name of the 50th annual meeting of the World Economic Forum (WEF), held in June 2020. It brought together high-profile business and political leaders, convened by the Prince of Wales and the WEF, with the theme of rebuilding society and the economy in a more sustainable way following the COVID-19 pandemic.[1]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset

Great to see Prince Charles planning to ruin our lives:

“One won’t own anything, but I will, so I’ll be happy”

419385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #8 of 1944 🔗

Quite right. With the privileged, hypocritical and not too bright Princes Charles and William, I can no longer support the monarchy in this country.

419629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to richardw53, 4, #9 of 1944 🔗

It is not a case of no longer supporting them.

The Monarch and future King are TRAITORS to the British people, to their ‘subjects’.

They, too, must stand trial IF we get through this.

419638 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to richardw53, 2, #10 of 1944 🔗

monarch is undemocratic,privileging some person’skids over someone else’s. How could you ever be in favour???

419824 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edumacated eejit, replying to Bungle, #11 of 1944 🔗

Oh, but they’ve been anointed by God! We’re merely subjects. It wasn’t anything to do with a mafia-like land grab by thugs when the Romans left. And then the chosen by God bit – absolutely brilliant! JoBo and his lick spittles could never achieve that sort of brilliance.

418185 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cecil B, 57, #12 of 1944 🔗

Toby insists on calling him Boris because he still sees him as some kind of old pal. I dont know if he even realises most people on this site hate his guts with a passion and wish him nothing but the worst.

418328 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Boris Bullshit, 24, #13 of 1944 🔗

Johnson has considerably overstayed his welcome on this planet. He needs to get the chop.

418632 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Rowan, 6, #14 of 1944 🔗

Too right.

419344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Rowan, 1, #15 of 1944 🔗

Hear hear

419797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Rowan, #16 of 1944 🔗

Karate chop.

419796 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Boris Bullshit, #17 of 1944 🔗

Toby still dreams of being appointed to the House of Lords.

418400 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Cecil B, 67, #18 of 1944 🔗

Letter in today’s Daily Telegraph

SIR – On our daily walk, I remarked to my wife that a sad aspect of our current existence was that I had become used to the closure of pubs, restaurants and “non-essential” shops.
Back home, I read this in The Sunday Telegraph: “A senior government source confirmed that from March 8 people in England would be allowed to drink coffee on a park bench, or have a picnic with anyone from their own household.” What on earth has become of us in one short year?
Ron Thomas
Stroud, Gloucestershire

418708 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 25, #19 of 1944 🔗

But we’ve been doing this throughout anyway! The park is the only place where I don’t feel like I’m going completely insane. I didn’t even know I was breaking any bloody rules! Like I’m even bothered, though – I just don’t care anymore.

417953 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Hugh, 76, #20 of 1944 🔗

So many unnecessarily deaths – All because the political classes hate Trum p
@drdavidsamadi

417973 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 59, #21 of 1944 🔗

The day Biden announced as election winner Pfizer announce, “we have a vaccine ready to roll out”

The day Biden installled as President. WHO announce, “sorry, we got the testing advice all wrong”.

Just coincidence of course, Mr Gates.

418318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Richy_m_99, 27, #22 of 1944 🔗

Lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr ., son of Robert F. Kennedy and the nephew of former U.S. president John F. Kennedy, has penned a comprehensive account of Bill Gates’ attempt to monopolise and dominate global food production, labelling it “a dark form of philanthrocapitalism based on biopiracy and corporate biopiracy.”

https://summit.news/2021/02/08/robert-f-kennedy-jr-pens-encyclopedic-account-of-bill-gates-neo-feudalism/

418788 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #23 of 1944 🔗

I’m wondering if the antichrist is at last among us.

418848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to lorrinet, 4, #24 of 1944 🔗

People in the 17th century thought the same, especially as 1666 approached.

419525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to lorrinet, 4, #25 of 1944 🔗

There’s a reason why some people refer to him as ‘Gates of hell’….

419523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #26 of 1944 🔗

Biden also said schools would open again, but last week his press secretary said that they only meant schools would be open one day a week, and that that counted as ‘open’. When asked why they had not made this clear before, the answer was ‘no one asked us’…

418186 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 62, #27 of 1944 🔗

They also have Ivermectin, Zinc and Vitamin D. Yes it’s political and I agree they hate Trump, but they also don’t want any cure. A cure means there is no need for a vaccine and without a vaccine there is no passport and without a passport there is control. They don’t want to control the virus, they want to control the people.

418360 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Liberty, 6, #28 of 1944 🔗

China is rising

History Debunked

China is poised to become a world power, which may not prove to be an alloyed blessing for the rest of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2D5DFv5Ako&list=WL&index=39

418565 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liberty, 9, #29 of 1944 🔗

A new miracle covid drug was announced a few days ago. A clear admission that the vaxxes aren’t expected to work?
Interestingly, the drug being developed is “similar to ivermectin” Kerrrchingg!

418850 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cheezilla, #30 of 1944 🔗

But not Ivermectin?

419779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gipsy2222, replying to Waldorf, #31 of 1944 🔗

If a “new” drug is “similar” but not the same, then the pharma company can make a profit. Old drugs go generic and then no profit.

419113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #32 of 1944 🔗

“Hydrocymection D” – Bungling Boris Buys at £150 a tablet. Yet another “Game Changer”

419534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #33 of 1944 🔗

I believe Merck have also abandoned plans to produce a vaccine and want to concentrate on treatments, saying that the best protection is to get antibodies through having Covid, but otherwise a treatment is better than a vaccine..
However you have to wonder what price they will put on their treatment….big Pharma wants money, one way or another…!

418230 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 29, #34 of 1944 🔗

As Mercola said, the Fatwa against HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D&co equals a genocide.
The media in particular has that blood on its hands.

419810 ▶▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #35 of 1944 🔗

Do we know if they are using HCQ in UK hospitals yet to treat Covid?

419829 ▶▶▶▶ Edumacated eejit, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #36 of 1944 🔗

Thanks.

418072 ▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Hugh, 46, #37 of 1944 🔗

David Davis appears to be the only MP remotely interested in the good nutrition debate especially Vit D. So much evidence now – including countries eating raw fish as a staple (I dont particularly want to eat raw fish by the way) – Japan has many octogenarians yet their death rate is pretty small. Look at their diet. No lockdown either.

418112 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomasina, 13, #38 of 1944 🔗

Yep. Japanese food is rich in Vitamins C, D, B12, etc. And they don’t have multigenerational living either.

418198 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #39 of 1944 🔗

Actually I believe that they do, in comparison to the West.

419239 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Thomasina, 7, #40 of 1944 🔗

Japan also has quite a high number of smokers but a low incidence of smoking-related diseases, I seem to recall. Similar to Greece in that regard.

418778 ▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Hugh, 4, #41 of 1944 🔗

No he’s not. He’s become two of the wise monkeys. He does speak a lot of evil, though. But summer’s on its way and there will be a reckoning. He can’t bask in the afterglow of a vaguely successful Brexit forever.

419656 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to lorrinet, #42 of 1944 🔗

I certainly hope so.

419808 ▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Hugh, 3, #43 of 1944 🔗

Dont forget too that HCQ works as well. There was a fake piece of science in the Lancet that was used to try and discredit the treatment, but it was fraud and the article retracted.

Odd how fake science such as that suddenly appeared, it is almost as if there was a powerful conspiracy at play to try and maximise the deaths from Covid.

417944 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 61, #44 of 1944 🔗

As we now know, Hugh. It’s got NOTHING to do with a virus, which is all over cover for rolling out their digital ID cards – designed to remove your human rights once and for all.

417969 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 25, #45 of 1944 🔗

“Build back better and fairer from the pandemic”. Wow, the first time I’ve seen that phrase used for real. And they wonder why people are suspicious

417976 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Hugh, 15, #46 of 1944 🔗

Have you not been paying attention? They’re using it all the time and across the world.

417988 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ed Phillips, 14, #47 of 1944 🔗

I’ve seen reports about it being used. But to see it there in a UK government document linked on here brings it home a bit .And leads one to suspect what the government are up to.

418000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hugh, 20, #48 of 1944 🔗

And leads one to suspect what the government are up to.

You mean, “what all the governments of the world are up to”, Hugh.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&q=build+back+better

418022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ceriain, 14, #49 of 1944 🔗

Quite.
Oh I see Peking Bidden’s in there! Is it actually being orchestrated by China? They’re going to be ahead of schedule for their plan to take over the world by 2049 at this rate. Quite a coup to get the UK government in the pocket of their favourite UK university.

419500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 4, #50 of 1944 🔗

The problem here lies entirely with Johnson and his government. China is a red herring.

419492 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 4, #51 of 1944 🔗

Yes very true. However for us, the problem lies with Johnson and the buck stops with him.

418001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 89, #52 of 1944 🔗

I actually couldn’t read it, Hugh. The severe panic attack I had when I was told what it contains made me feel like I was dying. Now I understand all the cruelties. It’s all been slow torture. Look at the way people have BEGGED for their shot of toxins… imagine the glee with which they will beg for a digital passport.
Lockdowns: “ just stay home to keep everyone safe”
Masks: “just pop it on to keep everyone safe”
Vaccines: “just a little jab to keep everyone safe”
Digital IDs: “just a little code (holding every single piece of information about you including your vaccine booster dates, without which, you will be denied life) to keep everyone safe”

Everything from day one has felt sinister, wrong and increasingly dangerous to me. Now we see the goal… it’s just pure evil!

418036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #53 of 1944 🔗

Well, no stay home, mask or vaccine for me yet. But will we actually be able to avoid the digital ID and whatever else they’re planning? Will there be a viable underground like in those films?

418485 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Hugh, 5, #54 of 1944 🔗

you’re right, we may not be able to avoid it, but we can withhold our consent and co-operation

418768 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Hugh, 11, #55 of 1944 🔗

I believe there will be an alternative, a functioning underground, it will be harder to live initially that way, but worthwhile. It will require courage and determination to make it work and to use it. Are we made for this? I say, with the help of God, we can.

419524 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hugh, 2, #56 of 1944 🔗

There should be hell to pay for Johnson and his gang of criminals. If people sit back and do nothing the demicide will take all before it. Life, what’s left of it, has never been so precarious.

418038 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 35, #57 of 1944 🔗

It was the Devil’s work from the very start.

418195 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #58 of 1944 🔗

Indeed, Revelation 13 16-17 is looking closer than ever.

419516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #59 of 1944 🔗

Far more likely the vaccinated will be deprived of life, quite literally at that. It’s been clear for a long time that the Covid-19 vaccines are not actually vaccines and that they nothing to do with preventing a viral infection. And all of them brought to us courtesy of a eugenist, masquerading as a philanthropist.

419548 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rowan, 3, #60 of 1944 🔗

Yes, remember that website (was it called deagal?) with the predicted populations of every country in 2025 (?)… the UK was due to have only a fraction of the population it has now…

418558 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Hugh, 4, #61 of 1944 🔗

It was behind Johnson’s right shoulder practically in neon lights during his speech to the ‘virtual’ Tory Party conference last October.

418570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hugh, 16, #62 of 1944 🔗

6uild 6ack 6etter

419806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cheezilla, #63 of 1944 🔗

Boris is not our friend.

419241 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Hugh, 1, #64 of 1944 🔗

Twas ever thus. Social reformers in the UK were already planning the post-war world even before the Italian front had opened.

418086 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 57, #65 of 1944 🔗

IF it was about a virus they would never have quarantined the healthy, instead they would have shielded the vulnerable. IF it was about a virus they wouldn’t have perpetuated the myth of asymptomatic spread being a driver of disease, instead they would have concentrated on the infectious. IF it was about a virus they wouldn’t be forcing masks, social distancing, staying indoors, and stress inducing mind control tactics on the population which are all known to damage the immune system, instead they would concentrate on boosting immune systems. Freedom passports should not even be given consideration BUT IF THIS WERE ABOUT A VIRUS THEY WOULD BE GIVEN TO THE IMMUNE not to those willing to take part in some gene therapy trials which may or may not confer immunity on the participants.

419471 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #66 of 1944 🔗

It’s not just our rights they are tying to remove.

419541 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #67 of 1944 🔗

And be able to know your DNA and thereby ‘switch you off’ when they deem you to no longer be useful and consider you to have outstayed your welcome..

418003 ▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to Hugh, 46, #68 of 1944 🔗

What have we got? Cheap inhalers and science – proper science.

When a scientist noticed that asthmatics were very under-represented in Covid deaths he did some digging. Now, with the help of British trials his team has proven that simple inhalers used by asthmatics arrest Covid symptoms with a 90% success rate.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/over-the-counter-inhalers-suppress-severe-covid-symptoms-trial-finds-20210210-p5716m.html

(this has been posted by a few people previously, but it is worth repeating.)

418050 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Brett_McS, 9, #69 of 1944 🔗

But cheap though, so whether the government can be bothered promoting it I don’t know.

I do worry that they are keen advocates of the sunk costs fallacy (see HS2), and so it seems plausible that they will simply double down on their [expensive] drugs and vaccines only mantra if there is any way for them to do so. And there probably will be. You can usually find someone…

418176 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Brett_McS, 7, #70 of 1944 🔗

I think that fact must have escaped a lot of peoples attention. I just took it that asthmatics were either at same level of risk or, more likely, a noticeably higher level of risk. I didn’t realise the reverse is the case.

418233 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Brett_McS, 11, #71 of 1944 🔗

Mercola recommends nebulizer hydrogen peroxide.
Whatever. If this was about health and preventing deaths, all of this would have been tried out and investigated properly and at speed, rather than being discarded and censored.

418866 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Brett_McS, #72 of 1944 🔗

That’s interesting, I would have thought something like Covid would cut a swathe through asthmatics, whose numbers have tended to grow in recent decades.

419275 ▶▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to Brett_McS, 1, #73 of 1944 🔗

Yesterday, the DM had an article about asthma sufferers lobbying to get higher priority for the vaccine. I posted a comment about this Brisbane study and the beneficial effect of steroid inhalation. My comment was not published even though the article said that comments were not modded. Hmm …..

419551 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Brett_McS, #74 of 1944 🔗

Is that because they contain corticosteroids?

418132 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Hugh, 4, #75 of 1944 🔗

Metallica “Nothing Else Matters”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waBb-UM5m4g

418472 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Hugh, 6, #76 of 1944 🔗

“And send that fact finding mission to Belarus, Sweden etc.!”

And Norway. Fond of vitamin D, 600 dead *with* Scam-19 so far.

418536 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to norwegian, 3, #77 of 1944 🔗

The Chinese secret of creating LinkedIn spies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMRS0PtCd_Y&list=WL&index=30
China is using the biggest professional platform LinkedIn to recruit spies in the UK. Watch to know more

418534 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Hugh, 4, #78 of 1944 🔗

Of course other issues don’t count. You’re using clinical logic which is useless when the agenda is about something non-clinical whatever charade they perform.

419342 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Hugh, #79 of 1944 🔗

My views exactly Hugh

419724 ▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to Hugh, #80 of 1944 🔗

Agreed. I’m always confused by the argument ‘we should stay in lockdown because we don’t want to undo all our hard work’ – maybe I”m hearing it wrong, but it always sounds like a ‘heads I win, tales you lose argument’ on account of there never being a ‘good time’ to stop restrictions. Cases numbers go up, they impose tiers and lockdown, cases go down but we can’t ease restrictions because it would undo our hard work???? I can’t think of a logical explanation, but when I work hard to save money or pay off debt, it usually feels right to get a reward, not continued penuary!

417937 Cecil B, 24, #81 of 1944 🔗

Wouldn’t it be easier to cut out all the middle men and woman?

Why don’t they just demand that each new arrival in the country pay £200 direct into Tory Party funds?

417938 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 47, #82 of 1944 🔗

The People’s Totalitarian State of The United Kingdom
Oppressing people since March 2020

417949 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Niborxof, 39, #83 of 1944 🔗

The Zombie totalitarian state.

The whole UK has turned to Slough:
It isn’t fit for humans now.

417957 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 4, #84 of 1944 🔗

Come friendly bombs?

417990 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 16, #85 of 1944 🔗

and fall on Bozo, Pantsdown, Wankok…

418018 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 6, #86 of 1944 🔗

I betcha man, you don’t know who wrote that.

418034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 4, #87 of 1944 🔗

I can’t spell it either.

418142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bungle, 4, #88 of 1944 🔗

Clever! John Betjamin

418005 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 2, #89 of 1944 🔗

Haha! Yes, Hugh!

417959 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Annie, 12, #90 of 1944 🔗

I want to print some t-shirts to give to some of the brave and courageous members of this group. If people here have any suggested messages to put on please advise. Zombie Totalitarian State is good.

417962 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Niborxof, 15, #91 of 1944 🔗

“We will not comply”

417972 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Niborxof, 7, #92 of 1944 🔗

“I replied to a post on Lockdown Sceptics, and all I got was this stupid T-shirt!” 😉

417994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 9, #93 of 1944 🔗

Oooh, that’s not nice!
Come and stay with me and I will walk about with you wearing a t-shirt that says ‘I’m with this idiot!’ Remember those?

418002 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 1, #94 of 1944 🔗

Just kidding, Annie. 😉

418035 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #95 of 1944 🔗

Me too!

418078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Annie, 1, #96 of 1944 🔗

That slogan next to a picture of BJ?

417991 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Niborxof, 1, #97 of 1944 🔗

I’m a customer already.

418077 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Niborxof, 6, #98 of 1944 🔗

‘For conspiracy theorist read sane’

418179 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Niborxof, 3, #99 of 1944 🔗

“Got my own mind thank you – and I don’t need you telling me what to think”.

419305 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Niborxof, 1, #100 of 1944 🔗

How about immune system dependant axe the vax

418117 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Niborxof, 6, #101 of 1944 🔗

We should just change our name to the Democratic Zombie State of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland.

And our National Anthem will be Ghost Town by The Specials

419812 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bart Simpson, #102 of 1944 🔗

Love The Specials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6ONesFHXWE
A Message to you Rudy

417940 Cecil B, 15, #103 of 1944 🔗

I am reliably informed that the new variant is cheese and onion toastie flavour

Anyone else heard this?

417941 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 161, #104 of 1944 🔗

Lying lying lying lying FUCKERS…

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-new-plans-to-help-build-trust-in-use-of-digital-identities

As I posted last night:

I’m angry because we have been wasting our time. Nothing we’ve said or done has had any impact on what is being planned. This was never about a virus, it was about upending life as we knew it. It was about ultimate control over us all.

An evil group of tyrants decided that they would hook the entire human race up to a digital server, issue us with ID cards that carried our health data, including our annual vaccinations, denying us our basic rights if we did not comply. They set about concocting a vile plan, unleashing a tsunami of torture on us all by using a new respiratory virus to give the impression there was an imminent and deadly threat. They took away everything. Our right to see those we love, our careers, our entertainment, our passions, our leisure, our gyms, our pools, our restaurants, our education, our health care, our privacy, our rights, even our identities (by forcing us to hide our faces). They made us abandon our elderly and sick relatives. They issued DNRs to the frail and disabled. They never cared about our mental health, child abuse, domestic abuse or suicides. The fewer weaklings, the better, as they preferred to keep only those who were financially viable. They have taken everything. We were never a threat to them, with our rants about liberal democracy or free speech or false positives. They had an end goal. Digital IDs that would give them ultimate control over every human being. So here we are. They have come clean. This is their plan.

I want to know two things:
1 Who exactly are “they”? We need names. Who was actively complicit in all this?
2 How are we going to stop them?

Do not doubt, for one second, the true extent of the EVIL that can be done with these “digital IDs”… you would be surrendering your body, your identity and your very soul to the state. You do not want that for yourself or your children. Do you? So what is the plan???!

417946 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 43, #105 of 1944 🔗

Your comment here dovetails with mine above. We know what they want to do and why. We need anger, lots of anger from everyone, directed at these tyrants.

417950 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 24, #106 of 1944 🔗

[sarcasm]
But the government says it will make my life much easier and everything will be cheaper. Just think about how time consuming it is now to find documents that only I have access to and then show them to other people.
Everything will be much smoother with a digital identity.
And even though that page talks about how that identity can be hacked and misused the government will try its best to not let that happen. And the government certainly won’t misuse it.
With so much online now it really does make sense. And if you aren’t doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about, do you?
[/sarcasm]

This stuff was always going on. The last year has just been a catalyst for governments and corporations to push us into accepting it all.

417989 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 41, #107 of 1944 🔗

The classic mantra of tyranny is that ‘If you are not doing wrong you have nothing to fear.’
And we, dear victim, have sole power to decide what is wrong.

418007 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Annie, 16, #108 of 1944 🔗

I fear a corrupt and malevolent state.

418024 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, 27, #109 of 1944 🔗

Yep.
It’s the same playbook they brought out after 11th September 2001. Blair was all over ID cards around that time.
We pushed back and they had to make do with all the airport security theatre which is designed to humiliate and demean.
Years of increasing digitalisation and its effects have dulled our senses to the threats that are bound up in this.

Why am I writing this on a smart phone again?

418139 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Annie, 23, #110 of 1944 🔗

Yes all those people who thought that only bad people who break the law and have things to hide should be worried about digital control, didn’t really expect to be breaking the law when seeing their own grandchild or meeting a friend on a park bench and choosing to have someone in your own home. Or going for a walk in the country.

418184 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 6, #111 of 1944 🔗

I think that sentence probably counts as THE sentence I hate most.

418287 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 14, #112 of 1944 🔗

Joke for the plebs
‘If you are not doing wrong you have nothing to fear.’

Joke for the overlords
‘If you are doing wrong you have nothing to fear.’

418383 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 6, #113 of 1944 🔗

National CCTV systems EVERYWHERE!
“If you are not doing wrong you have nothing to fear.’
Rt Hon M Howard (Con) 1996

418752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 3, #114 of 1944 🔗

Something of the night about him!

419818 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Two-Six, #115 of 1944 🔗

Who decides if you are doing wrong? Rt Hon M Howard?

417963 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 37, #116 of 1944 🔗

For a start we need an effective underground network and alternative economy. What is it the soil association have for organic food? We need something similar with shops and employers who will not insist on vaccines, tests etc.. It must be nationwide, as visible as possible and should be focused on where need is greatest. Isn’t there an airline that is not insisting on vaccines? Things like that. Maybe Toby can organise it?

417965 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Hugh, 22, #117 of 1944 🔗

A friend of mine flew from Bangkok to Frankfurt last Saturday. No covid test required before the flight and non given on landing. That was Lufthansa. British Airways Bangkok to heathrow also no test required before flight.

417993 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #118 of 1944 🔗

Judy that is great news and gives me hope! We have to figure out what is real and what is gaslighting! Right now, I am literally desperate to get out of the UK. But don’t know where to go for safety…

418174 ▶▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #119 of 1944 🔗

Ditto for me in Ireland

418234 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Judy Watson, -2, #120 of 1944 🔗

Fake news.

419880 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to JayBee, 1, #121 of 1944 🔗

No it bloody well isn’t. This happened to two friends who flew back to Germany and one to england.

I DO NOT POST FAKE NEWS

418015 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Hugh, 17, #122 of 1944 🔗

Yes there is Freedom Airways I think it is called organised by Delores Cahill

418020 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Janette, 8, #123 of 1944 🔗

THAT’S what it needs to be called – the Freedom Network (or the Freedom Association if you prefer – guaranteed free of any basic human rights denial).

Now the thing is to set it up. A committee will need to be formed. There shall have to be a chairman of course. (Sorry, I’m rather keen on Dad’s Army).

418026 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Hugh, 29, #124 of 1944 🔗

I think it has to be called the HUMAN NETWORK. Are you part of the Human Network? This war is anti-human. We have to reclaim humanity and assert human rights… I only shop in human shops. I only book human hotels and human travel.

418028 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 15, #125 of 1944 🔗

This is it. Humanity.
I honestly cannot get over how people have willingly given up their humanity.

419821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ed Phillips, #126 of 1944 🔗

Some of them didn’t have that much left to give.

418124 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #127 of 1944 🔗

Good idea and good name – the emphasis is on the word “HUMAN”

418182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #128 of 1944 🔗

I think this is the crux of the whole matter. The Agenda is completely anti-human. They’re not trying “to keep us safe”. They’re trying to destroy us and they’re succeeding.

418295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #129 of 1944 🔗

Just HUMANITY

418707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #130 of 1944 🔗

HUMAN UNITY
I love it!! With the U under the N
Speaking of which, where is the humanitarian UN???

418187 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Janette, 6, #131 of 1944 🔗

It is called Freedom Airways – and organised by Dolores Cahill.

419820 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Janette, #132 of 1944 🔗

Richie Allen Show interviewed her today.

418041 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Hugh, 15, #133 of 1944 🔗

Dolores Cahill is having a go at these things and worth checking out.

418058 ▶▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bill Grates, 7, #134 of 1944 🔗

And we have the Campaign for Truth in Medicine (“virtually all medical publishing” is controlled by the pharmaceutical industry).

418177 ▶▶▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to Hugh, 1, #135 of 1944 🔗

In my opinion this is the most important and most lacking aspect out of this horrible vicious circle

419542 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Hugh, 1, #136 of 1944 🔗

Why is Campaign for Truth in Medicine not taking on the UK government over its mandatory vax [via vax passports] policy when the [so-called] vaccine has such potential for harm?

418297 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #137 of 1944 🔗

I believe she has the World Freedom Alliance.

418073 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Hugh, 15, #138 of 1944 🔗

The Freedom Airline is already underway. Prof Cahill is part of it too. Look it up – Freedomair or sth like that. Catherine Austin Fitts is also part of it.

418116 ▶▶▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Pebbles, 14, #139 of 1944 🔗

I suspect, however, any public entity that uses the word, ‘Freedom’ (or liberty, or sceptic, or consent, etc) will be automatically flagged and put under close surveillance by the Security Services.
GCHQ is always watching.

418252 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 4, #140 of 1944 🔗

Anyone not to the left of Trotsky is a right wing extremist
Been that way for a while

418127 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Hugh, 13, #142 of 1944 🔗

I dont think that it will be as difficult to orgnise as some might fear . Consider the free food system. That has grown from nothing a few years ago to a network stretching almost everywhere, not from management by civil servants , but by the concerted efforts of generous donors and dedicated volunteers. The futire may not be rosy but it’s not necessarily black.

418552 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Hugh, 1, #143 of 1944 🔗

i love this idea and the soil association. be good to have international too. i think slow food italia maybe am not positive is entirely about organic but i think so. i wish we coudl a rrange this network the old fashioned way talking to people in person like in the resistance . sow e can get away from computers.
yes i was ready to s tart my own airline if i had to for us sane not getting any vaccine people

418652 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Hugh, 1, #145 of 1944 🔗

freedomcells.org

418757 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hugh, 2, #146 of 1944 🔗

Dolores Cahill has already organised an airline:
https://www.freedomairway.com/flights-trips

418774 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Cheezilla, #147 of 1944 🔗

much safer than mine for everyone all around

419315 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Hugh, #148 of 1944 🔗

I can source tha weeeeed

417985 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #149 of 1944 🔗

We bave not been wasting our time, and we are not now.
We are resisting evil.

418053 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #150 of 1944 🔗

Sweden already uses the digital ID and some younger people are chipped …. they just swipe to get into the gym etc. Be good to know how they are treating those who resist vaccination.

418564 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Marialta, 2, #151 of 1944 🔗

that is scary!

418083 ▶▶ jos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #152 of 1944 🔗

Throw your phone away and act as if none of this is happening?

418167 ▶▶ BertieFox, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #153 of 1944 🔗

Agenda 2030, for starters.

418169 ▶▶ aleaf, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #154 of 1944 🔗

You don’t need a digital id. You have your smart phone already, those ids are the icing on the cake. trying to fight the technocrats with computers and phones are funnily futile. We are all (Me including )are just whining like toddlers. Solution? God help us I don’t know. I am open to new ideas 🙂

418253 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to aleaf, 4, #155 of 1944 🔗

Get a smartphone that is off the grid (Sailfish X is a good start)
Got no reason to have any android/IOS apps and no 5G tracking

418346 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #156 of 1944 🔗

I am not too concerned about figuring out the They? and Why?.
In particular the Why?: nothing I heard of or could come up with makes coherent sense. Even They must know that Their money, customers etc. will dry up eventually too.
The main thing now is to make more people realize that this simply cannot be about health (if it was: Ivermectin, PCR CT 23 etc.), that there must simply be an evil intention driving all this and that this will end in a catastrophe for everyone, if it isn’t stopped and reversed soon.
We’ll figure out the rest after it’s been stopped and after They have been replaced, by US.
And we’ll have a hell of a job to do to achieve that AND thereafter.

418405 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #157 of 1944 🔗

The Rockefeller Foundation have been pushing for digital health pass, travelpass and now covipass since AT LEAST 2010.

The Blair Foundation wanted digital ID’s for all since the early 2000’s.
Cock-end Starmer is a member of the Trilateral Commission, they want what the Rockefeller Foundation and Blair wants.

The big banks want digital currency. The big banks want to humans to blame humans for destroying humans. The fascists want internet “driving licences”, full spectrum dominance of our environment.

Big pharma wants mandatory jabs and jags every two months from cradle to grave.

Apart from that. M&S is going to open it’s underwear section again soon!

418481 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #158 of 1944 🔗

This sums it all up ! Is it too late to stop their plans ? Will there ever be a chance by some mercenary Ex sas or the like to be hired ( we could crowd find it ) just to sort one , just one of these bastards ! It would redress the balance just a little bit ( all of them in one go on their skiing jolly would be better but any payback would feel good !

418483 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, #159 of 1944 🔗

Fund

419555 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #160 of 1944 🔗

Isn’t it odd that MSM is totally eerily silent on the proposed digital ID cards and the prospect of a vax passport?

419813 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #161 of 1944 🔗

Tired of tyrants.

419887 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #162 of 1944 🔗

The people behind this are the same folks running the world economic forum and the agenda 21/30. Klaus Schwab. Soros. Some of the Rothschild and Rockefeller clans. All old money and lots of it. The Gates family. And their minions and disciples. The trillionaire shadow government. I just call them worthless globalist filth

417942 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 72, #163 of 1944 🔗

Lord Sumption’s piece is brilliant, but let no one be in any doubt: it is a EULOGY to liberal democracy. Because liberal democracy has already been destroyed, along with all that social, cultural, sporting and economic life he talks about. It’s already too late. All that remains, really, is revolt and vengeance.

417945 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #164 of 1944 🔗

See my comment, Nomad… it’s basically over!

417961 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #165 of 1944 🔗

Talk however well intentioned will not get us out of this

417974 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Cecil B, 1, #166 of 1944 🔗

factus non verbum

417943 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 75, #167 of 1944 🔗

Let me use the opportunity of being an early poster today to give my thoughts on where this shitshow is obviously headed: –

It is plain for all to see that the main and current aim of the Dear Leader and his merry mob, is to get that jab into everyone, using whatever means he has at his disposal, and they are many. We won’t distract ourselves for the moment as to why he wants to do that, as that is for another discussion, but he really, really, REALLY wants everyone to take the vaccine. Its now the only subject they are talking about, so its clear as day this was the aim all along.

As its not yet on the statute books to allow them to enforce it by law they are using every coercion they can to jab everyone. And they will be ramping this up from this point, be in no doubt.

The ”covid passport” nonsense is the most blatant and obvious ruse to try to push people into it. They hope enough businesses will insist on such a thing that life will be impossible without it. The newspapers are now full of planted stories from sources suggesting the ”benefits” of this crap, as well as opinion pieces from their own people who really should know better than to promote this horror.

The airport quarantine gig has also just been given a little nudge with a talk of extending it to other countries. Soon we can easily imagine it will be virtually all countries, just in time for anyone with summer holiday plans to be given the simple choice that they will be presented with; take the vaccine and get a ”covid passport” and this will mean NO hotel quarantine. And I can easily further imagine Sunak will step in with a sweetener for the stuck at home masses, disguised as a ”help the airlines back into the air” scam, with a family credit voucher to be used for that all important family holiday in the sun – as long as you’ve been vaccinated and have the ”covid passport”. Just to make sure enough people take up the deal.

They really will have the full team working away now coming with further ways and means of getting that poison into everyones veins.

We can only hope enough people don’t fall for the distraction of the vax pressure and instead keep their eyes on the rapidly falling case numbers and deaths worldwide, which should surely show to all that the pandemic is now largely over and that a return to normal is simply all that is required and not some totalitarian view of what ”normal” will be instead.

417951 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bigade, 35, #168 of 1944 🔗

‘which should surely show to all that the pandemic is now largely over’

The ‘pandemic’ never existed in the first place

417978 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bigade, 7, #169 of 1944 🔗

Yes, that would probably do the trick. But I repeat – on their terms, what is the justification for tests and vaccines into the summer – unless this madness is to be permanent?

418091 ▶▶ jos, replying to Bigade, 18, #170 of 1944 🔗

In the leaked Canada document, governments were urged to make everyone take the vaccine as things would be so much worse for those who didn’t comply. How about we all really screw up the system by calling up after an invitation for a jab saying ‘But you did my jab last week- have you lost my information already!!’?

418284 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jos, 1, #171 of 1944 🔗

Gandhi tactics – nice 😁

419565 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Barbara Baker, #172 of 1944 🔗

Indeed!!

418991 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jos, 1, #173 of 1944 🔗

So you think the Canadian document is real?

419190 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #174 of 1944 🔗

When I first read I thought it was over the top.It seems very prescient now.

418113 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Bigade, 9, #175 of 1944 🔗

There are some people begging for their jab sooner, in anticipation that the covid passport will be the key to unhindered travel. A lot of people complaining that the “oldies” will be able to go on holiday this summer whereas younger people may not. Just goes to show that even the brainwashed can see through this one, just a shame they are willing to play along.

418152 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bigade, 22, #176 of 1944 🔗

I think the majority are pretty thick, judging how easily they took to masks and social distancing and vaccinations without murmur.

418259 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bigade, 6, #177 of 1944 🔗

To quote Princess Leia
“The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers”

417947 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 22, #178 of 1944 🔗

I’ve read a lot of covid zealots gurgling that in lockdown, they dream more intensely and fantastically than before, and how wonderful it is. I don’t believe any single one of them has had a dream as unrealistic as mine last night.

Last night I dreamt of going to a Post Office, where a wonderfully polite man in a suit took my parcel and guessed its weight correctly to the gram before offering me various options for posting it. Neither I, nor the polite and efficient Post Office man, nor anyone else in the Post Office was wearing a mask.

What do you think, fellow sceptics? Who should I report to the police? The Post Office man for dereliction of public duty? Myself, for having imagined him? Or, again, myself, for wasting my precious REM sleep visiting Post Offices, when I could visit a fantasy Tahiti and cavort with bare-breasted nymphs?

417956 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #179 of 1944 🔗

Is BBN the correct answer? or do I need to phone a friend?

418221 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 5, #180 of 1944 🔗

when I could visit a fantasy Tahiti and cavort with bare-breasted nymphs?

For some reason it struck me as amusing that a man living in Thailand (iirc) would fantasise about being in Tahiti with his bare-breasted nymphs.

The grass is always greener, and the nymphs barer breasted, I suppose….

418249 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Mark, 3, #181 of 1944 🔗

I could have been a bit more imaginative in my post, I suppose. I appear to have bare-breasted nymphs on the brain.

418374 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #182 of 1944 🔗

It’s called “being male”, I believe…

417948 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #183 of 1944 🔗

Border Force Entry Examination 2021

Question One

Quarantine Regulations

Which one of the below is liable to be detained in ‘managed isolation’ upon arrival in the UK

(a) A Russian national arriving from an Eastern Bloc country carrying NoVo choc or Polonium

(b) A British national arriving from Portugal with a bottle of Port

Please give reasons for your answer

417983 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 12, #184 of 1944 🔗

Reasons?
I’m reminded once again of what Primo Kevi was told when he arrived in Auschwitz: ‘hier ist kein warum’. There is no ‘why?’ here.

418011 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 1, #185 of 1944 🔗

Primo Levi.

418031 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #186 of 1944 🔗

Sorry, typo.

417954 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 54, #187 of 1944 🔗

Boris Johnson says:

No vaccination programme is 100 per cent effective, so when you have a large volume circulating, inevitably, the vulnerable will suffer. So that’s why we want to drive it right down, keep it right down.

This is an admission that the government’s so called vaccination programme does not work and the government knows it does not work.

A vaccine confers immunity from the disease. The government’s roll out of over fifteen million of these so called vaccines has resulted in the vast majority of the at risk having received these products. That should mean that the virus poses negligible risk. Yet, Boris is claiming that the supposedly vaccinated are still at risk of dying if the virus is circulating. This clearly implies that government have adopted a policy of eradication.

Throughout the government responses to the coronavirus have been dictatorial. The country has since March 2020 been governed by ministerial diktat. The policies have constantly changed. The policies have been announced by press briefings. Laws have been made, with mere hours notice, by statutory instruments. Guidance and Law have been deliberately conflated and confused. The outcomes of computer models have been presented as facts.”Science” has been exploited as a rhetorical justification for tyranny and absurdity. The government has engaged in a massive psyop against the people. And now the prime minister implicitly admits that the “vaccines” do not work and the latest goal is the eradication of a coronavirus.

418008 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #188 of 1944 🔗

Zero Covid? So, what with variants and mutations, restrictions will have to continue indefinitely – or as long as it suits their purpose – Ah! I wonder? Maybe they really are trying to get through digital ID cards and various other nasties? Say, those cards would be a gold mine for fraudsters wouldn’t they?

418033 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Hugh, 24, #189 of 1944 🔗

As the virus is being described as a never ending threat there really isn’t any way the state could manage the movements of people in and out of lockdowns, and to be tested or vaccinated WITHOUT Digital ID.

Its crystal clear now – it’s all ‘ to keep us safe’ of course. The job has been managed incrementally.

Flu jabs were only ever 50% effective and hardly at all for the over 75’s. They are created a year in advance to cover possible strains, some years more successfully than others. Mr Johnson knew perfectly well that the vaccination programme was not a ‘way out’ it’s just another step towards the proposed biomedical future.

418057 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Hugh, 5, #190 of 1944 🔗

We must avoid fraud. Maybe a small microchip would be more reliable?

418247 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #191 of 1944 🔗

It’s an admission that they plan to keep us incarcerated for good, whatever the numbers.

417955 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 33, #192 of 1944 🔗

So the Pig Dictator is lying again. Who’d have thunk it

417964 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cecil B, 2, #193 of 1944 🔗

Ha, ha, ha very good.

417958 Judy Watson, 38, #194 of 1944 🔗

There is a very simple cost effective way of reducing the numbers of so-called infections.

STOP THE BLOODY TESTING OF WELL PEOPLE.

Only those showing symptoms need to be tested.

Works here in Thailand and no doubt many other countries.

417960 richmond, replying to richmond, 11, #195 of 1944 🔗

If I want to see a photograph of THAT, I can look at the Daily Telegraph. There’s always one there. Could we not have a photograph of Katie Hopkins, or someone else who’s on our side?

417979 ▶▶ Annie, replying to richmond, 10, #196 of 1944 🔗

Hear hear. To see an evil, gibbering, muzzled ape first thing in the morning does NOT make a good start to the day.
How about we commission the incomparable Bob to do us a cartoon, at least once a week?

418225 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, 1, #197 of 1944 🔗

I’d chip in for a fund to pay for that. How much does a pro cartoonist charge, though?

418210 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to richmond, 7, #198 of 1944 🔗

Why do the organisers of this site inflict these ghastly photos on us every day? Are they gaslighting us too? We know who our enemies are without seeing a picture of them everyday. Did the communications of the French Resistance have photos of Hitler on them everyday? Again it shows that ATL see our tyrants as ‘old pals’ not people we would like to skewer in person if we ever saw them.

417966 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 30, #199 of 1944 🔗

First article above: in the ‘stop press’ Toby mentions another Imperial nutter with a model that suggest ‘tens of thousands’ of deaths in the summer if Johnson opens too quickly. I don’t know if it’s the same one, but Ferguson has also got a similar model suggesting up to 130,000 deaths in June and July.
I don’t have the link, but it’s been posted on here a couple of times by a scientist (Cahill?) that the vaccine will kill in the thousands in 3-6 months.

My nightmare? That the vaccine WILL do this; Johnson will say that it’s the new variants doing the killing and he’ll present Ferguson’s summer doomsday model at a presser, and the whole place shuts down again, while making vaccination mandatory.

Thoughts?

417968 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 21, #200 of 1944 🔗

I think the main worry about the mRNA vaccines is that they cause overreaction to other wild coronaviruses. In which case we will know next winter and we may have to lockdown because 15 million people are at severe risk from the other 4 coronaviruses in general circulation.

I suspect its more likely that the vaccines don’t work very well.

418056 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 11, #201 of 1944 🔗

Remember the majority of the 15 million have had only one dose.During the limited testing the second dose caused the most adverse reactions.

418168 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #202 of 1944 🔗

Exactly. It doesn’t exactly bode well that there seems to have been a mass die off in so many countries after just the 1st dose.

418181 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, 13, #203 of 1944 🔗

reactions following shortly after dose are going to be the tip of the iceberg. the real death tolls will kick in when the immune system is later triggered by a natural virus: this could be 3, 6 months later, even years later

418162 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to steve_w, 7, #204 of 1944 🔗

I may be wrong but I think that ADE is a potential issue for all the vaccines and not just the mRNA ones.

419677 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Chicot, 1, #205 of 1944 🔗

correct

418173 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to steve_w, 11, #206 of 1944 🔗

but as Ceriain says -they’re not going to tell the truth about it, are they? we’ll be told the deaths are the result of the new Timbuctoo variant, and we now have to take the new vaccine for the new Timbuctoo variant, and this time there’s no choice about it, it’s the vaccine or the gulag…or the vaccine administered forcibly under anaesthetisation….I’m afraid I really do think this is the hell we are sleepwalking into

418013 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to Ceriain, 5, #207 of 1944 🔗

The ICL lot have had some nutty predictions, but that’s probably the worst yet.

I suppose they are not factoring any effect from vitamin D (5000 IU from 15 minutes of sunlight was it?) because that rigged trial told them it doesn’t increase immunity to viral infections.

Incidentally, has the excess deaths for January come out yet?

418027 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hugh, 8, #208 of 1944 🔗

There is a massive spike due to care home deaths post jab – it is not a vaccination, remember. CEBM website (Carl Heneghan), look for Florence Nightingale all death mortality.

418054 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 12, #209 of 1944 🔗

I think a similar scenario will unfold.
Whether the vaccine behaves in that way or not there will always be a new variant to defeat.We already know that vaccine deaths are being put down to Covid.There is a direct correlation between vaccine rollout in care homes and a spike in deaths.
The government cannot afford to open up because the whole charade will collapse.The next few months will see a piecemeal relaxation to placate the mainstream but come Autumn the trap will shut again.

418065 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #210 of 1944 🔗

Maybe they will be scared off if we do well in the May elections (well you never know)

418449 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #211 of 1944 🔗

We need a great number of great people support the Great Reopening.

418059 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Ceriain, 19, #212 of 1944 🔗

That isn’t a nightmare you’re having , it’s the plan.
There isn’t just one vaccine. There is intended to be regular and multiple vaccines.

It is well reported by many senior scientists in the field that this mRNA injection is not a vaccine but a medical treatment. It is an untested experimental gene therapy

The only hope is that a significant mass of people run out of money hope and civil constraint and mass disturbances derail the agendas. But by that time the first wave of treatments will have been injected into all but the most resilient hold-outs.

418062 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Bill Grates, 9, #213 of 1944 🔗

That’s what happens when big pharmaceutical companies have too much political influence. Things have been pretty rotten for years really. Hopefully at least it will come out in the open more now. It really is about time there was some pushback against this.

418997 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Hugh, 3, #214 of 1944 🔗

Events such as this: https://www.idonotcomply.org/events-1/worldwide-day-of-protest

It isn’t courage, it is survival. Either way they are coming for you.

418165 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ceriain, 5, #215 of 1944 🔗

I think that’s EXACTLY what’s going to happen, yes

418239 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Ceriain, 6, #216 of 1944 🔗

My thoughts exactly. They are getting the ground work in place now so its less of a shock later on when people stat keeling over. If nothing happens then its just another model thats off the mark, but if something does happen then ‘hay, we warned you plebs that this would happen’.

418245 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 4, #217 of 1944 🔗

I agree- my first thought was another Imperial model , again ignoring seasonality – timed just right to acknowledge the extra deaths / infections from the 2nd doses administered from March onwards.
What the government wants, the government gets

419573 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Ceriain, 2, #218 of 1944 🔗

would imagine that is their strategy precisely – you have nailed it. And I hate to suggest that it is already underway as the death rate in the over 80s rose sharply after the date when the vaccination was rolled out to them.

417967 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 52, #219 of 1944 🔗

Boris needs to go. He is ruled by SAGE and he has followed them this far he will never overrule them.

SAGE have destroyed the country. They don’t know because they are only looking at Covid data and all have wonderfully paid jobs and pensions.

We may have lost liberal democracy – or we may never have had it in the first place. What we do now is important – the ever looming threat of this virus or another can shut down the country. A ‘new Wuhan’ would see borders go up and lockdowns imposed ‘just in case’.

SAGE are going zero-covid. They will make a desert and call it peace.

Boris needs to go in the Summer and the new leader needs to reconstitute SAGE with people who care about the effects of lockdown. If you got the right people in it they would never recommend lockdown again.

There needs to be some vengeance for the people that have done this. I would think allowing private prosecutions for loss of income. The airlines could sue every member of SAGE into the abyss.

417980 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 30, #220 of 1944 🔗

The notion that SAGE is in charge is not only obviously false, it is absurd. SAGE and the mantra “following the science” is nothing more than a cover for the government. SAGE did not advise the government to introduce lockdown one. Indeed, the government had signed the contracts for the lockdown advertising campaign three weeks before Boris Johnson announced the lockdown. The government is using SAGE. The government is only listening to the advice it wants to hear.

418016 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #221 of 1944 🔗

Last year Mike Yeadon said that the charade would only be over when Sage said it would be. Many of us here believed that. Now he’s gone from the public sphere (do we have any news?) but I still think they remain the drivers.

418047 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #222 of 1944 🔗

The science has followed the politics from the start;Not the other way around.The sage minutes prove this.Up to March 18 there was only one minor mention of lockdown concerning London.
I believe what the government did was similar to the German government,they trawled around for apocalyptic scenarios and up popped Ferguson,the man with a history of exaggerated predictions.

419598 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to jonathan Palmer, #223 of 1944 🔗

and the “politics” seem to be taking their orders from Gates/Schwab

418299 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #224 of 1944 🔗

The government is only listening to advice it ORDERED

418067 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to steve_w, 61, #225 of 1944 🔗

I’m sorry, but people have to finally get to grips with the real issues here.
Forget about normal politics
Forget about Sage.
Forget about the visible theatre thats being fed out to us.
The World is in the early stages of a global coup.
The agendas are simply vast in scope and ruthless in intent.
The objective is a complete total transformation of the way most normal people live.
There is no part of our lives that will be unchanged.
The ongoing circus will be perpetuated until every entity of our former lives has been broken down demolished and carefully rearranged to suit the coming techo- totalitarian governing structures.
Normal service is not being resumed once “Boris finally comes to his senses.”
He has his job to do and he’s doing it.
Our job is to resist at every opportunity. The problem is most people know something isn’t right but can’t accept that we are essentially at war with a global cabal who have systematically infiltrated and perverted the institutions of society .

418242 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #226 of 1944 🔗

I agree to everything but the assessment that we are still in the early stages of that coup.

419201 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JayBee, 1, #227 of 1944 🔗

We are because the regime is consolidating its power.Digital passports are the first step in the control grid.Allied with digital currency the coup is complete.Freedom as we know it will be over.You can be cancelled by the push of a button.

419600 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to jonathan Palmer, #228 of 1944 🔗

agree with everything you say – how do we fight back?

419825 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Bill Grates, #229 of 1944 🔗

Not just resist, counterattack.

418156 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to steve_w, 17, #230 of 1944 🔗

I just think we’re beyond all that, and we’re in a much worse place than you think. it doesn’t really matter much whether Boris Johnson stays or leaves. SAGE may have wonderful pay and pensions now, but that won’t mean much when the economy is completely gone. You could sweep the whole lot of them away, and it wouldn’t really achieve anything. the rot runs much deeper than that

418163 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #231 of 1944 🔗

“But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet-!”

419594 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to steve_w, 1, #232 of 1944 🔗

And if Boris goes do you think it will all be over? that Raab, or God help us, Hancock wouldn’t just carry on the plan??? Seriously? and equally, it isn’t just “lockdowns” which need to be avoided in future, its the whole authoritarian regime which needs to be avoided in future, especially mandatory vaccination and digital vaccine passports under the guise of digital ID cards.

417970 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 52, #233 of 1944 🔗

People generally believe they have a stake in being law abiding, I always did. They want to lead peaceful lives and not get involved with the state. After all the state has all the resources and the batons and the cells

There does come a point however for each of us when we have to make a choice. It’s a terrible choice to have to make and therefore most people put off the day when they have to make it

When there is a rump of people who decide ‘do you know what I’m not going to put up with this anymore, whatever becomes of me I will not put up with this anymore’ we may see some progress

People will literally have to decide if they are prepared to expend their lives in the cause of freedom

Of course the first to die will never know if freedom arrived, but if I want freedom for my children and grandchildren then there is no other choice than to fight

417977 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 35, #234 of 1944 🔗

I have no children or grandchildren, but I will fight against the forces of Satan and that is the fight we are facing now.

418071 ▶▶▶ Hugh, replying to Annie, 11, #235 of 1944 🔗

Who would true valour see
Let him come hither
One here will constant be
Come wind come weather
There’s no discouragement
Shall make him once relent
His first avowed intent
To be a pilgrim

Goodnight, pilgrim

418085 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Hugh, 10, #236 of 1944 🔗

Hobgoblin nor foul fiend
Can daunt his spirit.

Or hers.

418306 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Hugh, 3, #237 of 1944 🔗

Amen…. and no NOT Awoman of Awomxn or any of the other 100 possibilities

418145 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Cecil B, 15, #238 of 1944 🔗

I’m having real trouble now looking my kids in the eyes, knowing what I know, knowing how their lives will be so screwed up by this, and not being able to do anything but smile and tell them its all okay…..

418201 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bigade, 11, #239 of 1944 🔗

Teach them to stand up for truth
Teach them to be who they were created to be
Teach them to be courageous
Teach them the value of freedom
Teach them to hug
Teach them to smile
Teach them to love
Teach them self sufficiency
Teach them independence of the state
Teach them that God loves them
Teach them not to hate

418229 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cecil B, 15, #240 of 1944 🔗

Bruce Reynolds has shown the way forward by him and his ‘bros’ putting that Covid Marshall shit’s car on bricks and removing the wheels. A mass campaign of this sort around the country will have much more effect than Peter Hitchen’s idea of everyone writing to their MPs. Sorry Peter, much as I appreciated your initial opposition to this crap back in March, its clear now that most MPs are quite happy to continue this tyranny indefinitely.

418251 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #241 of 1944 🔗

Guerilla warfare, always worked and the nightmare of any occupational force.
Let’s import some people from Northern Ireland and the Balkans to show the people how it’s done.

418263 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JayBee, 4, #242 of 1944 🔗

Masks will actually help in this instance

418276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #243 of 1944 🔗

Yes the only time I wear one is when I go out with my pliers to remove the latest covid nazi notices!

419831 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to JayBee, #244 of 1944 🔗

Bulgarians.

419834 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #245 of 1944 🔗

Better still, Albanians.

419007 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #246 of 1944 🔗

Peter Hitchens could have been a leader out there with Piers Corbyn, but instead he chose to sit this one out. Coward!

Who says, as far as I know, nothing about the experimental gene therapy.

419004 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cecil B, #247 of 1944 🔗

We need EVERYONE on the streets, black or white, rich or poor, from the lowliest rent to the moated manor house to say NO to this tyranny and experimental gene therapy:

https://www.idonotcomply.org/events-1/worldwide-day-of-protest

419610 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Cecil B, 1, #248 of 1944 🔗

sadly too many people are “enjoying” working from home, being paid to not go to work [furlough – “it’s lovely having all this extra time with the kids”], etc etc etc and too many people are too plugged in to MSM to even consider the need to put up a fight. Look at all those people – millions of them – who have voluntarily had a vaccination and think that it is a good thing to do. Set against them we might number 2000 people. How do we get the numbers?

419827 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Cecil B, #249 of 1944 🔗

StandupX is one of the sponsors of the March 21 march on London so beware of Change Agents and Government Infiltrators.

417971 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 31, #250 of 1944 🔗

Alas poor Boris,
We know you are lying,
While the frail in their homes,
Are frightened and dying.
It seems that ‘alas’
Is all you can proffer,
Our freedom you’ll hold,
Not willing to offer,
Real hope to the masses,
Who patiently wait,
For their leader
To finally honour a date,
You’ve got all your promises,
Lined up like bait,
You have no intention,
Of keeping a date,
You just spout them out,
To silence the questions,
You have no intention,
Of freeing this nation.
I for one will not wait,
For your written consent,
For my freedom is mine,
I’ll choose to dissent.

417975 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 6, #251 of 1944 🔗

Euge! Well rhymed!

But honestly, dear bard, Bozo isn’t worth making a poem about. Words addressed to him are polluted by the connection.

417995 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 9, #252 of 1944 🔗

I write to release tension and frustration,
I know Boris ain’t worth consideration,
I don’t write for his persuasion,
But on this particular occasion,
It was a positive expression,
of my inward desperation.

417997 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 9, #253 of 1944 🔗

I totally take your point,
The time is out of joint.
I wholly admit that your rhymes
Are exactly in tune with the times.

417999 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 2, #254 of 1944 🔗

That made me smile!

419836 ▶▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Annie, 1, #255 of 1944 🔗

Boris’s guile is seriously vile.

417984 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 4, #256 of 1944 🔗

Excellent, Liberty!

417981 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 53, #257 of 1944 🔗

Anti-lockdown
Anti-mask
Anti-vax
Anti-Digital ID

You may not be all of those but I am. They are all related and they are all the slow march into a deeply disturbing authoritarian state where we have no choices and no fundamental rights. The population are THERE. They WANT this!

The whole charade has been to crush our case, to lead the herd into digital IDs that remove all their autonomous rights. And they are there, ready to lap it up thinking it will get them their “freedoms” back.

We are the evil enemy with our calls for ACTUAL freedom.

This is what it’s all been about. Why our court cases have failed, our MPs have been deaf to our pleas, our friends and neighbours have turned their backs.

I feel like we have lost. I don’t want this. I’m terrified. Is there anything we can do?

417998 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #258 of 1944 🔗

I feel the same.
“Do what you are told and shut your mouth” seems to be the order of the day.
Sorry but I see no way out bar mass protests.

418019 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 21, #259 of 1944 🔗

It is good to see everyone catching up.The only way to end this is mass protest and civil disobedience.
It needs to be before a critical mass of people are jabbed and they do the governments work for them.
Look at the mask mandate and how it is policed if you want to see how a vaccine passport would work.

418246 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #260 of 1944 🔗

We will not be given back our freedom.
We have to take it back.
Freedom is not free.
If you are not ready to die for it, delete the word freedom from your vocabulary.

418046 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #261 of 1944 🔗

We pray, don’t lose hope, and remember – it’s always darkest before dawn.

418092 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #262 of 1944 🔗

Indeed we feel quite bereft,
We have no alternatives left,
It’s time to unite,
Work out how to fight,
If our liberty is to be kept.

I suggest one way to start to make our voices heard is to stop shopping at Amazon and the big supermarkets. We need to accept that these decisions about our lives are being made by the big business leaders and not just the government and therefore we need to hit them financially. Even if it has no effect, it will prepare us for the days ahead when the freedom to shop there might be removed.

419842 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Liberty, #263 of 1944 🔗

Don’t forget Johnson & Johnson. Check the labels.

418136 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #264 of 1944 🔗

me too. I don’t want to die. I don’t want to see everyone I know die, and most of all I don’t want to see the few I really love die. I saw the first one fall yesterday: – a young woman with an untreated cancer – and it has cast a very dark shadow over me, I’m kind of thinking, ‘well, here we go, this is it, it begins, who will be next I wonder’

418244 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #265 of 1944 🔗

Anti-testing, at least until it’s standardized and made sensible, meaning no brain punctioning and a low CT number.
The method is just meant to denigrate you.
As to the result, you might as well throw a dice.

418255 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #266 of 1944 🔗

Dear Civilian, you are forgetting about the insanity in Africa, South America, India etc. We will never have digital IDs, nor do we have money & organizational capacity to roll out vaccines. We just make do, and if we do need a vaccine to travel – we’ll just forge the documentation.

Only Europe/Canada/Australia/New Zealand in danger – can’t imagine the Americans getting it together. I think on paper the Global totalitarians’ plans look doable, but implementation will be as difficult as herding cats!

418333 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Liewe, 8, #267 of 1944 🔗

Hopefully – having grown up in the free state of Zimbabwe I would largely concur…..but sadly the CCP infects all these places and so compliance by virtue of starvation is most likely for them- we are already helping with our lockdowns…. so we are all complicit in building our own prisons at the moment whether we realise it or not.
Having witnessed actual armed uprising , it is not preferable, but a determined stand has to be taken for all humanity’s sake.
In the words of Zammo – JUST SAY NO
but be prepared to back it up with a pitchfork 😑

419013 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #268 of 1944 🔗

https://www.idonotcomply.org/events-1/worldwide-day-of-protest

It was ALWAYS about the gene therapy and the digital id/social credit system.

419171 ▶▶ zubin, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #269 of 1944 🔗

Solzhenitsyn: “they can only do to you what you allow”. Let’s be as courageous as we can and resist as much as we can x

419839 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #270 of 1944 🔗

Stop pleading with them, ridicule them. Mercilessly.

417982 mikec, 4, #271 of 1944 🔗

It’s great to see Doris now lowering the PCR CT to a level where the ‘pandemic’ will disappear in 2-3 weeks time. Hopefully after his ‘listen to me not MSM’ speech they’ll go for his throat.

417986 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 16, #272 of 1944 🔗

One thing really struck me, compare the utter incompetence of the entire government response to the pandemic with the efficiency of getting fifteen million people dosed up so quickly.

418042 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #273 of 1944 🔗

Almost as if it’s impossible for the state to control an aerosol virus.

417987 tonyspurs, 3, #274 of 1944 🔗

Media Bear on form again with their version of YMCA or should I say MRNA

https://youtu.be/HKN1M74qcYE

417992 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #275 of 1944 🔗

Look at the first photograph and then scroll down

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56073860

417996 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Cecil B, 2, #276 of 1944 🔗

Do you mean the ‘had been ill for a number weeks’ and died after testing positive contraction to imply he died of covid?

418004 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Niborxof, 1, #277 of 1944 🔗

The two photos look like different people

  • the young guy at the top
  • the older man below 😳
418014 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Marialta, 4, #278 of 1944 🔗

They are different people.The second one has a different name underneath

418040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #279 of 1944 🔗

Oops

418010 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 3, #280 of 1944 🔗

That Long Covid’s a bastard; aged the poor bugger 30 years.

418883 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Ceriain, 1, #281 of 1944 🔗

That’s the guilt he must be feeling as he tucks little Boris into bed and realises he is destroying his baby boy’s future.

418846 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Cecil B, #282 of 1944 🔗

The ICT service desk analysist at St Asaph “. Not exactly “front line” then?

418006 PatrickF, 6, #283 of 1944 🔗

The Fat Controller still has plenty of time to build his fascist legacy. The next scheduled GE is May 2nd 2024.

418012 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 8, #284 of 1944 🔗

This Frank Zappa song always pops into my head whenever I see any image of dear old Al or any of his cabal, or the MSM etc:
I am gross and perverted
I’m obsessed ‘n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I’m the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can’t look away
I make you think I’m delicious
With the stuff that I say
I’m the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I’m the slime oozin’ out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don’t need you
Don’t go for help… no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That’s right, folks…
Don’t touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin’ along on your livin’ room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can’t stop the slime, people, lookit me go

418021 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 8, #286 of 1944 🔗

Just treated myself to reading through some reaction to the new Imperial model (I preferred the old one, where we told the petty tyrant to surrender immediately or our big gunboat would destroy his medieval fortifications, and the war was over in 38 minutes , but there you go). The sheeple do seem to be dividing into two camps:

1) Oh this is very worrying indeed, Boris I hope you’re taking note of this and you’ll keep us all locked up and weld our doors shut forever.

2) How can this possibly be true! We’ve rolled out the vaccine!

A useful chunk of the “shrug and go along because they know best” brigade is going to balk at the next phase.

418030 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #287 of 1944 🔗

You would think they would baulk but they didn’t at lockdown, social distancing, test and trace, masks, tiers, two more lockdowns, etc.

418087 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #288 of 1944 🔗

The minute Imperial say “actually we are good” they are out of a job. Show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome.

418023 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #289 of 1944 🔗

The FT is talking about 450000 people being in serious rent debt
https://www.ft.com/content/57218267-4f9b-4ed2-82c3-59f33d7d1619
I am guessing that many of these people will be younger people who will also be carrying huge student debts, this is a very different world to the one I live in having paid of my mortgage and owning my own home. It seems we are bringing on a sophisticated version of the old ‘Company Stores’ situations, as Johnny Cash sang;
”You load 16 tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter don’t you call me, ’cause I can’t go
I owe my soul to the company store”

It is hard to see how our financial system can cope with this? it is certainly a different and rather frightening world for our young people and it does make it hard not to see some sort of link with all this virus hoo-haa and lockdowns and conclude that something weird and not very nice is going on?

418043 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #290 of 1944 🔗

750,000 behind on housing costs (if you believe the BBC)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56075518

Nearly a million people facing eviction come the summer?

At the moment they have stopped evictions and let the landlord take the hit

What if the landlord needs the rent to pay the buy to let mortgage?

What if the landlord stops paying the mortgage, hands in the keys and tells the Building Society/Bank to sort it out

Might be a long hot summer ahead

418051 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Cecil B, 7, #291 of 1944 🔗

Since the whole grand non-existent spectacle is built on the expansion of credit, the shit will hit the fan when lending fails. This time, it’ll be on such a vast scale they’ll have no defence against it.

418064 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 10, #292 of 1944 🔗

I know it’s hard to believe,but so were vaccine passports a few months ago,but the aim is the trashing of the economy.You can only build back better when something has been destroyed.

418120 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #293 of 1944 🔗

the trashing of the economy AND the culling of the population that survives on that economy. whatever they are planning to ‘build back better’ is not intended to accommodate 9 billion people. there won’t be room on their planet for all of us.

419620 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Cecil B, 1, #294 of 1944 🔗

by that stage the plan for “debt cancelling” to further get the majority to buy in will no doubt be rolled out.

418118 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #295 of 1944 🔗

“you will own nothing and be happy”

418216 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #296 of 1944 🔗

My younger brother is most certainly one of those. A lot of his friends to, and drugs are becoming the coping mechanism

418339 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #297 of 1944 🔗

Yeah gear up for the Great Financial Reset – the money men cannot be out of pocket

418029 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 12, #298 of 1944 🔗

Just when I though the fat fuck couldn’t do more stupid… he does more stupid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56077372

Covid: Rapid tests could help reopen nightclubs, PM suggests

Quick coronavirus testing could enable nightclubs and theatres to reopen, Boris Johnson has suggested.The PM said “rapid” lateral flow tests could be used by “those parts of the economy we couldn’t get open last year”.”That, in combination with vaccination, will probably be the route forward,” he told a Downing Street press conference.

What? Are people supposed to stand in the queue testing each other?

418060 ▶▶ jennybean, replying to Ceriain, 14, #299 of 1944 🔗

They won’t they’ll end up just waving them through. Although the government are evil, they are bumbling incompetents, it was only last year that they were using an excel spreadsheet to log millions of people’s results. I think the fact they are so useless could be our saving, fingers crossed

418098 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jennybean, 2, #300 of 1944 🔗

You may have a point!

418095 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Ceriain, 4, #301 of 1944 🔗

Funny to think what other substances the swab would pick up in a typical nightclub queue!

418912 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #302 of 1944 🔗

Cocaine, heroin, dried semen… It boggles the mind…

418097 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 4, #303 of 1944 🔗

What percentage does the Fat One get for Testing Kits?

418119 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #304 of 1944 🔗

Didn’t Halfcock’s family get 5 million?

418231 ▶▶▶▶ jennybean, replying to cubby, 2, #305 of 1944 🔗

I did wonder whose family member was given contract for testing perfectly healthy people

418138 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Ceriain, 10, #306 of 1944 🔗

‘Rapid’ tests still take 30 minutes. Are nightclubs going to set up testing centres outside and employ the dozens of staff it would take to run it? Where are people going to go whilst they wait? All congregate together of course, which makes testing pointless.

418218 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TreeHugger, 2, #307 of 1944 🔗

And what happens when it’s raining?

418474 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 3, #308 of 1944 🔗

Great get swabbed, get cleared to go into a nighclub full of brainwashed covidians?

No worth it.

I avoided nightclubs and theatres anyway because they were mostly full of brainwashed normies so I will avoid them even more if they bring in this crap.

418032 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 28, #309 of 1944 🔗

When I read Toby talking about his erstwhile chum, Boris and how they used to raid the tuckshop together at Saint Silliuns prep school,I have to remind myself that this man, Toby, despite all his faults (talking about second waves, I ask you) has formed this astounding network where we can support each other, learn stuff, get challenged and have a laugh. I am eternally grateful dear fellow!

419026 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bungle, 4, #310 of 1944 🔗

Young will be in the death camp saying “Gosh, Bozza gone a bit bonkers, hasn’t he, eh?”

418037 Marg, replying to Marg, 27, #311 of 1944 🔗

The Gibraltar death situation is deeply worrying. With such a small population to go from 7 in 10 months to 87 in a month and not look into whether the vaccine is the common denominator is a dereliction of duty. I have seen numbers in care home rapidly rise since the roll out of the vaccine programme, but this stands out by a mile. I see India has rejected the Pfizer jab. The initial trials were carried out on under 55’s with no underlying conditions. The findings of stage 2 not yet published and stage 3 not due until 2023. How many more will have to die before these trials are looked in to.

418052 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Marg, 2, #312 of 1944 🔗

Are you saying 15 million dead Covidians is a bad thing?

418084 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #313 of 1944 🔗

Many, if not most, of them have been coerced.

418209 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Marg, 11, #314 of 1944 🔗

I agree re the Gibraltar situation – how can anybody not ask questions of the increase in deaths. I think I read somewhere a couple of weeks ago that the Gib authorities stated there was no link with the vaxx – hmmmm I interpret this as clearly there is something going on here that must be investigated, but will they?

418794 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #315 of 1944 🔗

If the Gib authorities say they are investigating all possibilities and won’t pre-empt the results then I would believe them

If they say its deffo not the vaxx then it probably is the vaxx

418212 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Marg, 7, #316 of 1944 🔗

If Gibraltar was the initial clinical trial for the vaccines, they’d never have made it out of the gate and may be the producers arrested, well maybe not that part.

418039 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #317 of 1944 🔗

Just thinking (we are still allowed to think ain’t we?), that wearing face nappies and social distancing didn’t exactly do Howard Hughes and Michael Jackson a lot of good, did it?

418049 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #318 of 1944 🔗

Nor Dick Turpin

418205 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 3, #319 of 1944 🔗

Ned Kelly?

418082 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #320 of 1944 🔗

Comrade, as you shared your thoughts online then this is still permissable. However, your thoughts suggest a worrying dabbling with anti government disinformation.
Be careful.

Oh, and don’t have private thoughts. They are banned.
And don’t have private conversations at home. They’re banned too. Unless you have Alexa.

418055 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #321 of 1944 🔗

Bill Gates owns you. Be happy

418094 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 6, #322 of 1944 🔗

He certainly owns this government.

418061 TJN, replying to TJN, 42, #323 of 1944 🔗

The weeks and months slip by. And how our perceptions have changed. Last April it was perfectly possible to believe that it had all been a terrible mistake, that policy had been driven by the unhinged and even malevolent advice of Ferguson and the others. But now here we are, almost a year later, and it is clear that there are some very dark agendas out there, and that Ferguson and the others were just useful idiots.

Until covid I never used to comment on social media, having desisted for over a decade (literally). But by late March last year I felt compelled to do so – if only so that my thoughts, right or wrong, were down on record.

And I’ve been very wrong on when this might end. But I do wonder if I – and many others on here – have been wrong about how it might end. With this in mind, I’d like to repost something today that I first put up here on 26 July. The behemonth is still there, approaching.

A short story, if you can bear with me. I’m telling if from memory, as I read and heard about it many years ago.

The Isles of Scilly lie about 28 miles off Land’s End, the western tip of Cornwall. The channel between Scilly and the mainland is a busy shipping lane; but a notorious reef called the Seven Stones, covering some two square miles, lies towards the centre of the passage. The rocks here, rising steeply from deep water, are mainly submerged just below the surface, although some show just above the Atlantic waves, especially at low water. Many years ago I did a fair bit of diving out here. The underwater scenery is amazing, mind-blowing, but that’s another story.

One fine morning in March 1967 a massive oil tanker, the Torrey Canyon , was making the channel passage between Scilly and Land’s End, on its way to Milford Haven. The weather was clear, enabling bearings to be taken from Scilly and the mainland, and thus there was no objective navigational danger. But there was some form of dispute between the navigating officers as to which side of the Seven Stones to pass, with the result that the ship was heading straight towards the reef.

Working the Seven Stones that spring morning was a French crabbing boat – the reef was rich in lobsters, crabs and crayfish. The captain of the crabber looked to the south and saw the massive tanker bearing at cruise speed straight towards him. It seemed as if his puny boat would be crushed in the monster’s path. But he wasn’t bothered. Between him and the behemoth lay a line of rocks. It was now clear that, no matter what the tanker tried to do – change course, or go astern – it was too late. She couldn’t avoid going onto the rocks. So he told his fishing crew to stop work, come up from below decks where they were sorting the catch, mending pots and suchlike, and watch what was about to unfold. Incredible to behold, they knew they were witnessing a piece history in the making.

Sure enough, the Torrey Canyon came relentlessly on and piled into the rocks. Impaled as she was on the reef, there was nothing anyone could do to save her. Over the following days she broke up in the Atlantic seas and released her massive cargo of oil. The RAF did what they could, using bombs and rockets, and even napalm, to ignite the oil; but to no avail. The pollution was horrendous, far up into the English Channel. And of course, the French crabber’s fishing grounds were ruined for the foreseeable future. I hope they found another reef to work, but with the oil spread they must have struggled. The Torrey Canyon ‘s broken plates lie scattered on the seabed today, the ship itself smashed to smithereens and entirely unrecognisable as anything but an underwater scrapyard.

If anyone has got this far, what I’m saying here is that we are like the crew of that little fishing boat, as the behemoth approaches. But it isn’t an oil tanker we are seeing bearing down on us; it’s the economy. It’s too late to do anything now. It is going onto the rocks and is going to break up, with appalling consequences. All we can do is sit back and watch as an historic catastrophe unfolds.

It’s a terrible spectacle to behold, but also one with a certain awesome beauty.

418068 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to TJN, 6, #324 of 1944 🔗

Unfortunately thats a great ‘real’ analogy. I was too young to remember that disaster but my parents often spoke of it.

418081 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Thomasina, 10, #325 of 1944 🔗

I remember the horror of it.
And the Sea Empress in Milford Haven.
And the black, killer tide.
Now the whole country is suffocating under a black, killer tide.

418164 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Annie, 9, #326 of 1944 🔗

We honeymooned in the Scillies in 1971. No sign of the oil residue that I could see . Nature restores itself, whether human society can do likewise I am not sure, but hopeful.

418317 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mikewaite, 6, #327 of 1944 🔗

They found out, in this and other oil spills, that it was the detergents that caused the most damage to wildlife, not the oil. There’s an obvious analogy today.

Nature is extremely adept at sorting things out – if she’s allowed to get on with it.

418115 ▶▶ LS99, replying to TJN, 4, #328 of 1944 🔗

I remember reading that back in July – it’s an image that sticks in the mind!

418329 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to LS99, 2, #329 of 1944 🔗

I was thinking about it again the other day, which is why I reposted. It seems a bit naive now, or rather those days do.

But while facts may not have proven to be as stubborn as we might have wished over the last few months, eventually numbers are very stubborn things indeed – especially when they have pound note signs in front of them.

In the absence of widespread civil disobedience, the best we can hope for now is an economic crisis which forces a reopening.

I just can’t see we can go on like this much linger without huge and un-ignorable strains appearing in the financial system – if only inflation.

418066 alw, replying to alw, 4, #330 of 1944 🔗

Conveniently/Inconveniently the Torygraph comments section at the end of each article is not working. Is there something we should know?

418133 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to alw, 12, #331 of 1944 🔗

Ah, and I thought it was just me. I wanted to write a screaming review of Celia Waldens shameful piece on why we should all embrace the ”covid passport”, but alas no. Prevented. They know now that every article on the covid scam is a lightning rod to the public looking to vent their extreme and growing anger at the government. Clearly it was becoming uncomfortable, even for the 77th Brigade patrolling the comments sections there.

418582 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Bigade, 2, #332 of 1944 🔗

The trick is to post comments on ‘closed’ articles on the BTL under the DT daily letters page. People do it all the time and there is a strong anti-lockdown contingent who comment on the letters page on a daily basis, either with regard to published letters or other articles or even other general coronavirus issues.

418069 alw, replying to alw, 7, #333 of 1944 🔗

CDC Report ‘Wrong’ About Vaccine’s Effectiveness In a high-profile report issued by the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, 15 scientists stated that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine had “consistent high efficacy” of 92% or more among people with evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. 2
But according to Massie, “That sentence is wrong. There is no efficacy demonstrated in the Pfizer trial among participants with evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infections and actually there’s no proof in the Moderna trial either.” 3 In France, the health body la Haute Autorité de Santé (HAS) does not recommend routinely vaccinating those who have already recovered from COVID-19, stating: 4

“At this stage, there is no need to systematically vaccinate people who have already developed a symptomatic form of Covid-19 unless they wish to do so following a decision shared with the doctor and within a minimum period of time. 3 months from the onset of symptoms.”

Yet, the CDC suggests everyone who’s had COVID-19 should still get vaccinated: “Due to the severe health risks associated with COVID-19 and the fact that reinfection with COVID-19 is possible, vaccine should be offered to you regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 infection.”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/16/health-officials-make-crucial-error-in-vaccine-recommendation.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&sd=20210130&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art2HL&cid=20210216&mid=DM798017&rid=1085138080

418093 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 10, #334 of 1944 🔗

FACT: The majority would not suffer severe health risks. When are people going to wake up.

418070 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 40, #335 of 1944 🔗

Do you feel that one of most suspect aspects of lockdown are the businesses which were forced to close?  I my view there were aspects which didn’t add up with regards to business closures :-

·      In a pandemic, the type of business I would expect to have to close are businesses where large numbers are in close proximity to each other such as cinemas, nightclubs, theatres, concert venues and sport venues. The business forced to close under lockdown made no sense to me as these businesses were located in large premises which made it easy for customers to stay far apart and these businesses often didn’t have many customers in at the same time. These businesses included the following
Electrical shops
Furniture shops
Bookshops
Clothes shops
Museums
Galleries
Zoos

Why were these businesses forced to close? We are told the virus doesn’t survive very well outdoors. What was the logic of closing outdoor attractions such as Zoos?

·      A business I felt made no sense to close were hotels, B+Bs and campsites. In accommodation businesses guests stay in rooms or tents separate from each other. All accommodation were forced to close regardless of their characteristics.  Guests may mix during breakfast but some hotels don’t serve breakfast or guests have to pay extra which means not all guests have breakfast. Small hotels and B+Bs can only hold a limited number of guests. If breakfast time is spread out over a long period of time a breakfast room may not have a large number of guests in it at the same time.   Hotels with large numbers of room could easily keep guests apart. Some hotels have guests in separate buildings such as the hotel in the link below which was featured in Channel 4’s Four in a Bed

Wizards Thatch | Alderley Edge Hotel | Self Catering

·      As with hotels, restaurants, cafes and pubs were forced to close regardless of their characteristics. In large pubs and restaurants customers could easily stay away from each other. The café in my local Tesco is huge. Small cafes and restaurants can only hold a limited number of customers. A sandwich shop I used had only two tables for those who wanted to eat in.
·      Business were forced to close and not given the opportunity to invest in things which could limit the spread of an infectious disease eg limiting numbers, investing in ventilation.
·      Small shops could only hold a limited number of customers.
·      In a chart comparing a real pandemic with a fake pandemic it says in a real pandemic the government would try and keep as much of the economy open as possible whilst in a fake pandemic the government would close down the economy.
·

The justification used for closing business was to prevent staff and customers infecting each other and break the chain of transmission. Do you feel that stopping a disease was not the reason behind business closures? Do you feel businesses were closed for the following reasons :-

·      To terrorise the population by making people think covid must be very dangerous and contagious to justify closing so many businesses.
·      As a means of psychological torture by denying access to leisure activities
·      As a means of social engineering to isolate people from one another and prevent interaction by closing businesses where people interact and socialise.
·      Killing small and medium sized businesses so that big businesses have a monopoly.
·      Killing livelihoods so that people have no independent income and become dependant on the state.

418075 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ianric, 13, #336 of 1944 🔗

It’s because Ferguson’s unvalidated and unverified model said so. Make no mistake the whole of SAGE is predicated on his model. Everything is twisted into this.

And the politicians, not one of them a working engineer or auditor, have no training or clue what’s going on. They just fear that they’ll be accused of “ignoring the science”. Well the science was never different – there’s no need to lockdown. Just make sure you are measuring the thing properly.

418080 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ianric, 6, #337 of 1944 🔗

You do realise things will be spun out over the next year so that we were afforded the PRIVILEGE of staying at home by modern capitalism. We could order food and buy products online. Lucky us. Whereas other less-fortunate countries had to go out to complete their transactions.

418105 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ianric, 1, #338 of 1944 🔗

absolutely

418250 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ianric, 11, #339 of 1944 🔗

I agree. I work in the museums & heritage sector where they make a big song and dance about broadening access and the like.

Yet there has been nowt a peep from the big museums and heritage bodies about them being closed and stopping them from earning an honest living and fulfilling their mission of broadening access. All the noise they’ve made are about woke issues and “declonisation” but nothing about the erosion of our civil liberties.

419849 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ianric, #340 of 1944 🔗

It was all part of the Global Action Plan for the Common Good. Our gradual enslavement.

418074 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #341 of 1944 🔗

JHB talking to Martin Green – Chief Executive of Care England.

He thinks care home staff may be refusing the jab due to having busy lifestyles. There was me thinking that vaccination teams simply tipped up at the homes and all they have to do is stick an arm out.

418140 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #342 of 1944 🔗

Where on earth do you have to be on the gullibility scale to swallow that one?

418175 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basileus, 3, #343 of 1944 🔗

Grasping at straws.

418202 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, #344 of 1944 🔗

As we are in lockdown…OK then

418076 Winston, replying to Winston, #345 of 1944 🔗

How do we suggest Theme Tunes?

418079 Tom Blackburn, 8, #347 of 1944 🔗

I’ve said it a million times: it is time to turn the thumbscrews on the zero-Covid mob.

https://twitter.com/NickTriggle/status/1361580872525299712?s=20

418088 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 10, #348 of 1944 🔗

A quick response to John Church’s piece AtL.

The statement ‘correlation is not causation’, is a useful caution but we should not be too hasty in applying this epithet.

We should recall that John Snow, the father of epidemiology, used correlation to track the cholera outbreak in London to the water pump in Broad Street. He knew how to read a data set. Any statistically significant correlation should be investigated for causation.

An example of spurious attribution of causation is the classic one of advertising. Successful companies tend to spend more on advertising. Does this mean advertising works? Well it might, but it could also indicate that successful companies have money to waste and so they waste some of it on advertising.

In the case of say Gibraltar, there is no possibility of reverse causation, ie no one would suggest that people dying in unusually large numbers in Gibraltar caused the vaccine campaign to happen (or would they, science is in a pretty poor state these days). The data are telling us that there is a need for further investigation, no ifs, no buts.

Read more on John Snow here: http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/snowcricketarticle.html

418104 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 5, #349 of 1944 🔗

Data tells me the vaxx murdered them.

418166 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to FerdIII, 2, #350 of 1944 🔗

I don’t disagree with you, but I am concerned that we recognise the process that should be employed, ie ‘inference to best explanation’.

418197 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 2, #351 of 1944 🔗

They are not touching it with a barge pole, why? These vaccines are so precious to the high priests

418207 ▶▶ rose, replying to Basileus, 2, #352 of 1944 🔗

I sent this email to my useless MP. He sent a reply that suggested either that hadn’t read my email or just chose to ignore it ‘s content.

418494 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to rose, 3, #353 of 1944 🔗

Another lazy cut & paste job from a useless MP who still continues to draw over 80K in salary and expenses.

They should be stripped of their pay, expenses and pensions.

419852 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to rose, #354 of 1944 🔗

Stop sending these people reasonable emails. Ridicule, satire, disbelief.

418089 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 20, #355 of 1944 🔗

I have stopped taking the Daily Express because of the covidiot content, but I make an exception for the Friday edition to read the Frederick Forsyth column (unfortunately, he’s not one of us) and as usual, my blood pressure went through the roof upon seeing the wicked, stupid NHS shit advert on the back cover.

I’ll tell you what, NHS managers; I’d like to look you in the eyes and ask WTF you were doing TikTok videos for because you had no patients last May, and ask you, when you saw that Stinker Ferguson and the Tyrant Whitty got everything so badly wrong, why didn’t you stop the lies and bullshit and get the cancer patients back in?

Fucking TikTok, when you had people dying because you couldn’t be arsed to treat them, waiting for the COVID that was such a problem that you closed all the Nightingale “hospitals”.

418103 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to RichardJames, 16, #356 of 1944 🔗

The Hospitals (near us anyway) are empty.

The NHS is overwhelmed by money, incompetence, low-skilled workers, diversity managers, climate change idiots, 10 levels of management and boredom.

I do have a solution for all of this…..

418109 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 7, #357 of 1944 🔗

Same here. The hospital I’ve gone past quite a number of times is always dead.

418114 ▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to FerdIII, 16, #358 of 1944 🔗

Every member of NHS staff (with a few exceptions) who think they are busy/stressed should be made to work in a competitive business setting for a month. Maybe a busy restaurant. 30% + obesity in nurses makes sense when you see the snails pace at which most move around. Don’t see too many obese waiting staff, do you?

418172 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to TreeHugger, -11, #359 of 1944 🔗

you fuckin idiot easy to take the piss out of nurses nhs whatever i have just recovered from a near fatal car crash while breaking lockdown in an attempt to see my old mum ,personally im gratefull for having my fractured spine and broken sturnem attended to,and it doesnt matter a fuck wether the specialist that sowed my ear back on was fat thin or anorexick she did a lovely job ,,,,,loves ya really jus sayin is all sorry i got a powercut not happy.x

418107 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RichardJames, 16, #360 of 1944 🔗

And if the NHS are constantly short of cash then where the heck do they find the money for these Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy adverts and pay for those slebs?

Like the police, they should no longer be believed the next time they bleat about “cuts” and being “overworked.” If they’re so overwhelmed then why do they have the time to make TikTok videos?

418090 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 20, #361 of 1944 🔗

Well my feeling is that Boris is terrified that if he starts dismantling the restrictions a tiny bit, it will be like the Berlin Wall coming down as ministers are trampled flat by the stampede of people eager to push down the suddenly crumbling edifice, hopefully.

418108 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 8, #362 of 1944 🔗

”When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
The virus hoo-haa seems to have created the fear to enable tyranny but whether that fear is now slipping away is hard to tell? I still think that ‘our dear leader’ for all his buffoonery and incompetence can still do politics and is running all this to try and be the Global Covid hero at the Cornish G7 in June. He is as incompetent as he is ambitious and suits the current times very well and will be a good front man for the devious shadowy manipulators in the background.

418151 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #363 of 1944 🔗

NAAAAA hes a twat

418496 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 3, #364 of 1944 🔗

There was a precursor of that in my local park yesterday, when people were picnicking at tables as if March 8 had already arrived with the slight relaxing of restrictions which has been suggested might happen at that date.

419854 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #365 of 1944 🔗

Boris and everybody else in government can be replaced.
We know a better way to Build Back Better. Excorciate the bums and Let Freedom Reign.

418096 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 12, #366 of 1944 🔗

“First you have a higher risk of new variants, of mutations. Secondly there will also be a greater risk of the disease spreading out into the older groups again.”

The Oracle of BoJo

So what’s the point of the vaccines?
BoJo locked us down last March to save the NHS and the elderly/vulnerable until the vaccines arrive . But when they did arrive, and the vulnerable/elderly are now vaccinated, we have to stay locked down in case a new variant arrives, which in turn will need a revised vaccine to be developed. And when that revised vaccine arrives , and the vunderly (or what’s left of them after the 1st vaccine..) are vaccinated yet again, we will still have to stay locked down in case yet another mutant strain is detected. (rpt ad nauseum)
Doesn’t the law of diminishing returns have to apply at some point, or at least until the green van finally carts him and his MFI cabinet away for all our sakes, where they can go gradually gaga in the corner singing to themselves….?
“Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel..”.

418101 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 8, #367 of 1944 🔗

Flu’s have 100s of thousands of ‘variants’. mRNA is experimental and killing people. Flu vaxxes don’t stop transmission.

Now the morons might issue ID cards against your vaxx jab? But which jab and which ‘variant’. How convenient. A jab a month? A new ID each jab or ???

Do these idiots called ‘scientists’ have a flocking clue ? (No they don’t).

418123 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to FerdIII, 7, #368 of 1944 🔗

Ahh, the joys of neo-feudalism. Instead of tugging a forelock, we lock ourselves in our soon to be repossessed houses. Instead of Droit du seigneur we encourage our nearest and dearest over to be jabbed with untried/untested corporate money spinning gene therapy, because Lord Matthew of Hancock and other feudal barons says it is safe for us serfs to use. And if we don’t – Lord Raab the Merciless says WE WILL STARVE!! So instead of common land enclosures we have supermarket enclosures? Is it the regime’s fault for not having a clue, or the flocking people’s fault for baa-baa-blindly following them regardless?

418149 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to FerdIII, 4, #369 of 1944 🔗

my personality has thousands of variants now

418100 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 15, #371 of 1944 🔗

Finally an article about the vaxx dead (Gibraltar) ATL. Fake News etc blame old age.

ATL “I should say that I’m not a vaccine sceptic – I think the vaccine roll out is our quickest route out of lockdown, or it will be if Boris grows a backbone – but that doesn’t mean I’m a vaccine zealot either.”

Naive, gullible, silly. Flu Vaxx’s do very little. They do not stop transmission. They may reduce symptoms in 30% or less. But these drugs are experimental RNA. Why on earth would anyone support it?

Vaxx’s have NOT lead to ‘freedom’ have they? They will keep moving the messaging that they must be ‘70% effective’ or the R rate must collapse to zero etc. etc.

Slippery slopes. 03% death rate. A vaxx completely unnecessary and as Merck said when stopping its poison program – your immune system is far better than an mRNA vaxx.

418144 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to FerdIII, 1, #372 of 1944 🔗

oops i was very nearly rude to you then i read your post properly

418191 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 4, #373 of 1944 🔗

Also interesting to see when certain vaccines were rolled out in history. Quite often they are on the very tail end of the epidemic of disease they are addressing. Then the common wisdom takes route that it ended due to the vaccines.

418924 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #374 of 1944 🔗

Historically epidemics do go up and down, like a parabola. They never go up and just stay there. If they are seasonal, they might come back but they always come down at some point.

418102 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #375 of 1944 🔗

The headline was depressing but not surprising. To quote Sir Charles Walker, its no longer shifting the goalposts but tearing them up and moving them miles away.

We at LS have always had an inkling this was going to happen but will this wake up the sleeping masses?

How much more will people take before they realise that all these now have absolutely nothing to do with a virus any longer?

Perhaps its time to follow our Italian, Polish & Czech brothers & sisters towards civil disobedience and passive resistance.

418141 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #376 of 1944 🔗

Some of us have been actively doing just that from the begining of this shitshow, and in my opinion anybody still complaining yet complying in whatever way they are can be proud to be collaborators in a scheme that has stopped me seeing my old maaaaaaa and for that i hate you all, if my maaaaaa dies before i can see her again i will hate you more ,,,the sole reason they have been able to wreck the country is because of all you “men” out there who have forgotten where your fuckin balls are, fuck me im insane am i on my own fuck graphs fuck stats coddle ya bollox and fight back, they couldnrt beat me down in the beanfeild 85 they wont do it to me now love hugs and big love to you all.

418170 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #377 of 1944 🔗

We’ve said it before Bart, when *they* start coming for their money, that’ll be the tipping point. The people who care not for their liberty but more for their creature comforts are complicit in this atrocity, and I for one – as Mark points out – will never forgive and never forget.

418267 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 11, #378 of 1944 🔗

Exactly. Of course when this shit show is over many people will go “let bygones be bygones” but I won’t let bygones be bygones because I’ve stared at evil in the face and even if they put their “caring” and “friendly” faces again I will never trust them again ever.

418110 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #379 of 1944 🔗

Re the study on vitamin D in today’s links, John Campbell has done a great video which I mentioned yesterday, so I’ll copy my post from then with a few tweaks

Calcefidiol and Vitamin D3
Just a reminder of the very important recent pre-print study on calcifediol treatment on admission to hospital (that is the more immediately available form that is circulating in the blood following conversion of vitamin D in the liver) that showed a 60% reduction in death for those getting the calcifediol treatment.

Calcifediol Treatment and COVID-19-Related Outcomes

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3771318

John Campbell (lives in Cumbria, Carlisle area, I believe) has done a great video on the paper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYK9-zvJF_k&feature=emb_logo

Warning don’t look on the window sill, and some of his other videos on covid may irritate you. That said he’s a very knowledgeable person, and has done some good videos in the past also for example on fever hospitals and on non covid issues. And you can’t fault this video as a very clear explanation of the study.

So unless you’ve had your vitamin D level checked recently, and most people are deficient, then keep taking the vitamin D3 (2000 IU in my case but higher doses may be a good idea also). And get out in the sun in the Spring and Summer and avoid the sun cream, as long as you don’t burn.

I’ve mentioned before I’m taking the NIwVD ‘vaccine’ (natural immunity with vitamin D) and not any experimental vaccine, and I suspect that has as much efficacy (from looking at this study and other science) in protecting against what is already a very small risk for most of severe covid than any experimental vaccine will ever do, with none of the side affects (short term or potential long term) and many other positive benefits.

418135 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #380 of 1944 🔗

Too right about some of his other videos being irritating! At the start of this pandemic, I watched his daily videos, but it soon became obvious he was towing the government line, changing his opinions to suit etc. Many people believe he is a government shill. He was also spectacularly wrong on at least a couple of prediction a) He expected the death toll from the “pandemic” in Africa and poorer countries to eclipse those with better health system b) he predicted a baby boom about now. To be fair to him though, it seems he has been pushing the benefits of vitamin D throughout. Unless, he’s flip flopped in between?

418188 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Van Allen, 4, #381 of 1944 🔗

He’s gone back and forth on HCQ as well. To be fair, he’s just updating people on the studies coming out. Though, as seems the case everywhere, vaccine deaths are not to be touched

418217 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #382 of 1944 🔗

He seems fairly rational to me he breaks it down he keeps calm and allows the study’s to speak for themselves.
However he seems genuinely confused as to the lack of uptake of vitamin d with the government some could say he is close to red pilling himself!

418111 PoshPanic, 12, #383 of 1944 🔗

A great quote on the DeSantis thread

The bigger problem i saw, was that most [experts] didn’t weigh that opinion against others for possible collateral problems. Cheers to the few who did

Couldn’t agree more. Florida is becoming an inconvenient truth for the US. I’m sure they’re going suffer increasing attacks for their policies.

418121 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #384 of 1944 🔗

To zero-covid or not zero-covid?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55985916

decent article by Nick Triggle

One of the most high-profile advocates of this strategy is Prof Devi Sridhar, a public health expert from Edinburgh University.”

“Zero Covid is not compatible with the individual rights and freedoms that characterise post-war democracies,” says Prof Francois Balloux, director of University College London’s Genetics Institute.

She [Sridhar] is one of more than 4,000 signatories of the Zero Covid petition, which is calling for a parliamentary debate on the proposal.

Sridhar thinks we should approach it like measles. But she has no background in this area and is completely out of her depth.

Maybe we need a petition demanding the government officially distance themselves from a ‘zero-covid’ strategy?

418125 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #385 of 1944 🔗

But there is a significant flaw with this argument, says Prof Jackie Cassell, a public health expert from the University of Brighton.

Measles, she says, is an “unusually stable” virus. This means it does not change in a way that allows it to evade the effect of the vaccine. In fact, the same jab has essentially been used since the 1960s – and it also provides lifelong immunity

418128 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #386 of 1944 🔗

But it is easy to forget that flu can also kill on quite a scale. Back in 2017-18, more than 20,000 people died from it.

It was a harsh, cold winter and deaths from other causes such as heart disease and dementia rose too, pushing excess winter deaths close to 50,000. Society barely blinked.

“We have lived alongside viruses for millennia”, says Prof Robert Dingwall, a member of the government’s New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Group. “We will do the same with Covid.”

418143 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to steve_w, 4, #387 of 1944 🔗

A parliamentary debate for 4000 signatures – remind me again how many people signed the GBD? Remind me again how many signatures the plebs need on petitions to parliament – 100,000? She should get back in her box and stay there.

418148 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #388 of 1944 🔗

yes – its pathetic but the media love her

418190 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 2, #389 of 1944 🔗

I don’t know how many hundreds of years it took to eradicate measles, but I don’t think we’ve been in lockdown for all of them….

418644 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 2, #390 of 1944 🔗

It was around 200 I believe

419862 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to steve_w, 1, #391 of 1944 🔗

I vote for Zero Government.

418122 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #392 of 1944 🔗

Interesting. I posted a comment on the DM in response to this article https://mol.im/a/9264193

My comment was removed “following a number of complaints” according to the first email I received, then reinstated according to the next.

418238 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #393 of 1944 🔗

Lol@ ‘Mr Jinks’ comment. Typical, they demonstrate the root of their ignorance so readily. “Who said this? Where did it say that? What are your sources?” Just laziness, and zero curiosity. Ignorance is a choice in the information age.

418126 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 30, #394 of 1944 🔗

David Icke has been correct about everything to date and i do start to wonder about his “reptiles under human skin” thing too now.

418183 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, 9, #395 of 1944 🔗

The reptilian thing is mentioned in stores within all the main religions. The Nephelim were the Bible’s take on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

They don’t teach that in RE

418941 ▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #396 of 1944 🔗

We all laughed when Icke said TPTB were secret reptiles….until Chris Whitty started appearing on TV.

419059 ▶▶ cubby, replying to nickbowes, 2, #397 of 1944 🔗

It´s a pity he came out with that stupid theory, he talks a lot of sense otherwise and we need nonconformists who can rally people.

419128 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, -1, #398 of 1944 🔗

Reptiles is code for da Joos
everyone knows this was Ickes get out of jail free card

418129 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 5, #399 of 1944 🔗

“After all, the vaccines won’t prevent people catching COVID-19 or passing it on, they’ll just mean very, very few people will require hospitalisation or die from the disease.

Hurrah for big pharma, our good hearted saviours!

418178 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to norwegian, 4, #400 of 1944 🔗

Gibraltar are asking for their money back.

It is glaringly obvious such levels of death are kow being ignored and they are waiting for seasonality to kick in, make vaccines look like a success

418130 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 15, #401 of 1944 🔗

Depressing to read the headline but no surprise Bunter is going to hide behind SAGE, whose aim of course is to stay in the limelight and keep restrictions right through the summer to another CCP shutdown next winter. With Sunak forced to keep extending the support schemes for those forced out of work by the state.

Clearly Bunter needs to go. Two slight shafts of opportunity left, one some Tory mp’s start showing some teeth. Very slight, only a handful seem anything but timid. Or as the weather improves the masses ignore this ridiculous, ruinous policy. The chances of us getting the spring weather of last year are slim.

Yes with what is happening in the USA and Germany it seems Toby’s theory of pure incompetence from this government as the driver of this policy, is much less reality than more sinister reason’s for government policy.

418134 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to nottingham69, 4, #402 of 1944 🔗

as rates drop into the spring, the CRG and the public should start showing a bit of backbone

418153 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to steve_w, 3, #403 of 1944 🔗

Yes our only hopes of avoiding a very grim future. Bunter is very much a man of green fantasy, which is a big and very bad part of the package.

418161 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to nottingham69, 10, #404 of 1944 🔗

The shortest 13 weeks of the year finished on the 5th February. This is fact. I call those weeks winter. This is opinion as some people have other dates in mind. I am encouraged, not only by the length of day but also by birds singing, snowdrops & crocuses blooming and the first lambs bleating. Ilkley riverside was packed yesterday and with sun and double figure temps forecast for many of the next days, I predict the great sleeping public will suddenly awake, throw off the masks and say “bulwarks” or something similar.

418254 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bungle, 1, #405 of 1944 🔗

Started my spring-clean last week. It’s been quite cathartic. Bonus, my window frames now match the snow, as opposed to mucky beige.

418278 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to nottingham69, 2, #406 of 1944 🔗

I wonder when all these scientists and doctors will start to grasp that there won’t be any money left for them and their salaries, pensions, procedures too when this is over.
But then, they have never been good with money and their investments, always the prime fall guys for a scam.

418131 norwegian, 10, #407 of 1944 🔗

“Boris Shifts the Goalposts – Again”

Fool me once, shame on me …

418137 aleaf, replying to aleaf, 18, #408 of 1944 🔗

The new narrative about “we can’t let to many infectious people circulating cause they will cause mutations and will render the vaccine protocol” is very sinister and for a curious ear it reeks foul smells. This means we can never let travel resume without pcr tests and quarantine hotels, we can never resume life full time ever again like ever for the fear of a mutant.

For a coronavirus problem a rna virus rapidly mutating virus, vaccine is not a definite great solution, there will always be mutant variants and definitely yearly jabs..
Why on earth they didn’t also invest and heavily promote creating drugs which truly render the virus’s capability of replicating in body . like hiv drugs. Working on existing drugs and with knowledge creating effective new drug options (not like remdesevir) was way practical
They would have been extremely helpful even more than the vaccine. Instead drug solutions been buried under, doctors and people promoting them vilified, disgraced, labeled as anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist. Even this must show people that there is a very bad agenda going on here but no people don’t see it. I guess fear of death is very capable of rendering people of their critical thinking and iqs.

As I said agenda is sinister, the words they are using are not coincidence. Like after May 2020 with the help of 40+ cycle pcr tests they started casedemics, now it is the variants.
This will not end, anyone believing these without questioning and allowing the agenda imposing this life like existing on us because of fear are complicit and guilty too.

418275 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to aleaf, 1, #409 of 1944 🔗

It’s the vaccines that worsen the mutations, stupid.
See Israel, Unz.

418146 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 6, #410 of 1944 🔗

The BBC sent me a survey last week asking for my opinions of their service. As you might expect, I gave them both barrels.

Obviously not connected to the above, I have noticed a couple of more reasonable articles on the BBC News website over recent days. Has there been a change at the BBC, has there been a change in the information and instructions they are receiving from the government or am I naively falling for some subtle mind control exercise intended to create some unjustified optimism?

418171 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SilentP, 5, #411 of 1944 🔗

Watch Panaorma from last night and come back to us

418192 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #412 of 1944 🔗

Indeed. I only caught the last five minutes but the levels of propaganda were just astounding. Just listen to the background music when the sheeple decide that the vaccines are good for them after all – because the fact checkers disproved some irrelevant fringe claims, while ignoring the core truthful claims (I.e. “animal testing was skipped” – how about you fact check that stage 3 is due to finish in 2022 and has been compromised by giving the control group the vaccine?).

418549 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #413 of 1944 🔗

It’s actually notable that the fact checkers or programmed experts never actually ‘disprove’ any anti-lockdown or ‘anti-vax’ claims ….they think it’s sufficient to state that the claims are untrue, without any hard facts to back up their refutation.

418200 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to SilentP, 5, #414 of 1944 🔗

Sometimes they throw some opposing views in to say “look we are not biased” when the complaints roll in, but hopefully they have spotted a change in the mood.

418213 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 3, #415 of 1944 🔗

No, I avoided Panorama last night.

This is one of the articles I referred to:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55985916

I have certainly not changed my views on how the BBC has been a propaganda and scare mongering machine. However, this article seemed to be more balanced and realistic.

418291 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to SilentP, #416 of 1944 🔗

You ‘gave them both barrels’ and then clicked over to their website for their ‘news’ coverage? You absolute trooper.

With people like you on our side, I’m amazed there aren’t heads on pikes and burning pyres of our fallen enemies carcasses.

I can just about forgive using the BBC for sports coverage and drama, but if you’re even prepared to be in the same room as someone consuming their news and current affairs output, I’m afraid you are lost.

418361 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to AidanR, 3, #417 of 1944 🔗

That is a very close minded opinion and very insulting of my judgement.
Who are you to tell me where I can go and what you can forgive or not forgive?
It reeks of the very type of censorious opinions being expressed by the lockdown zealots and their ilk.

418932 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to SilentP, -2, #418 of 1944 🔗

Do you not see the absurdity of your position? You come on here and moan about the BBC, then turn to them for your news. Why?

418563 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to AidanR, 4, #419 of 1944 🔗

I watch the mainstream media news and analyse every detail purely so that when someone says to me that they saw [an ‘expert’ or a doctor] on the BBC News making some claim, I am fully pre-armed to blow the narrative or the accompanying video ‘evidence’ apart; even better if I am in the same room as a ‘believer’ when it is on the TV. It gives us the upper hand so see for ourselves what propaganda the BBC is churning out. As it is, I live on my own, so there is little chance of being in the same room!

418524 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to SilentP, 1, #420 of 1944 🔗

Just watched BBC news am programme, they had a staffer from Mencap who has a mild learning disability complaining she is not a priority as she has no underlying health conditions. She was asked to give her arguments why she should be further up the list, which was of course total rubbish, and the presenter indicated in her reply that the reasons listed were not very convincing. YEAH!!

All prompted by Jo Whiley, the radio presenter, saying on her show that she had been offered the vaccine and her sister who lives in residential care and has diabetes has not.
Well, do they live in the same health authority?

418147 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 25, #421 of 1944 🔗

The Zero-Covid movement should be designated as a domestic terrorist group and advocating zero-covid should be designated a hate-crime.

Zero Covid is not compatible with the individual rights and freedoms that characterise post-war democracies,” says Prof Francois Balloux, director of University College London’s Genetics Institute.

Let’s put these scum behind bars

418271 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to steve_w, 1, #422 of 1944 🔗

Hear, hear.

418286 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to steve_w, #423 of 1944 🔗

Do you really want a precedent like that setting, when the media and the bovine public are convinced that we are the extremists?

418150 CaptainG, replying to CaptainG, 29, #424 of 1944 🔗

“Vaccines are the quickest way out of the lockdowns” – no, the quickest way of the the lockdowns is to end the lockdowns now. This has nothing to do with Boris’ backbone, he has always been an ardent supporter of the 4th Industrial Revolution. It has been obvious for months- for some since the beginning- that lockdowns will only ever end once digital health passports and ID have been introduced universally , and then only partially and with the constant threat of them being reimposed at the drop of a hat. Viz Gates plan for climate lockdowns.

418269 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to CaptainG, 5, #425 of 1944 🔗

Stop testing always was and is the key.
Or: With Australia’s and NZ’s CT of 23 for these tests, every nation would be at zero Covid.

418154 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #426 of 1944 🔗

COVID-19 RNA Based Vaccines and the Risk of Prion Disease

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

The advent of new vaccine technology creates new potential mechanisms of vaccine adverse events. For example, the first killed polio vaccine actually caused polio in recipients because the up scaled manufacturing process did not effectively kill the polio virus before it was injected into patients. RNA based vaccines offers special risks of inducing specific adverse events. One such potential adverse event is prion based diseases caused by activation of intrinsic proteins to form prions. A wealth of knowledge has been published on a class of RNA binding proteins shown to participating in causing a number of neurological diseases including Alzheimer’s disease and ALS. TDP-43 and FUS are among the best studied of these proteins.

418158 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 2, #427 of 1944 🔗

Classen’s study establishes the potential for the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines developed by Pfizer and Moderna to activate human proteins to take on “pathologic configurations” — configurations associated with chronic degenerative neurological diseases. Although his specific interest is in prion diseases (conditions associated with misfolded versions of normal proteins), Classen also outlines a handful of other mechanisms whereby RNA-based vaccines could give rise to “multiple other potential fatal adverse events.”
Ensuring that patients clearly understand risks — including known risks as well as potential unknown risks — is an important component of the informed consent process. This is all the more true when the intervention is experimental and lacks long-term safety data, as is the case with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines against COVID-19. The FDA authorized the two vaccines for widespread emergency use based on just two months of clinical trial data .

https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/02/15/immunologist-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-could-cause-long-term-chronic-illness/

418155 norwegian, replying to norwegian, #429 of 1944 🔗

Lockdown sceptics? Maybe I should head over to lockdown deniers, here’s just too dull ..

419220 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to norwegian, #430 of 1944 🔗

Bye!

418157 Janette, replying to Janette, 20, #431 of 1944 🔗

I am sick of hearing the advert for the book about Climate Change by the Gates of Hell on Talk Radio. I have heard it twice this morning and each time I have turned the radio off. I hate that man.

418738 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janette, 2, #432 of 1944 🔗

It’s not just radio adverts but the likes of Waterstones and Foyle’s are pushing the book hard as well.

Makes you wonder why.

418159 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 14, #433 of 1944 🔗

Accidentally listened to the Boris briefing last night, a mistake I know. A member of the public asked a slightly more pointed than usual question about mental health issues. I couldn’t believe my ears when Whitty’s answer was something along the lines of they should hang in there because they’re next in line for the vaccine! I’m not sure what he was talking about, people with psychiatric illnesses like bipolar etc. I think. Either way completely missed the point which was the vast suffering from lockdowns. It’s not even on his radar, so so super weird. Anyway, wrote this one for the scientists this morning:

Germ Warfare

Germs! Germs! Everywhere. All around us. In the air.

Quick! Quick! Close you eyes. Cover your mouth. Sanitise.

Hide! Hide! Close your door. You mustn’t go out. Not anymore.

Listen! Listen! You don’t know best. You must bow down. To scientists.

Obey! Obey! The cops are here. You sat on a bench. You had a beer.

Fly! Fly! Not anymore. Where have you been? Quarantine.

No! No! Leave me alone. It’s important. It’s my microbiome.

Wait! Wait! You weren’t elected. Get back in your lane. Get out of my brain.

Stop! Stop! Can’t you see? We’re finished. It’s a tyranny.

418193 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fear is Finite, 9, #434 of 1944 🔗

Oh, how I would love to ask one of those questions.

I would like to ask them if they have ever seen the film ‘One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest’ and do they have any idea of the horror of forcing a medical intervention on someone. But I guess they haven’t and they don’t, they just view things within their own very limited parameters, not even viewing the rest of us as living/feeling human beings.

418203 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to kh1485, 8, #435 of 1944 🔗

I imagine it’s all pre-vetted and pre-recorded just in case someone slips through the net. I mean surely people have tried it – pretended to have a “why aren’t you locking me down harder” question but then when they got their 5 minutes of fame said something completely different…

418215 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #436 of 1944 🔗

Oh yes, I know I wouldn’t stand a cat in hell’s chance.

418196 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #437 of 1944 🔗

Perhaps he assumed all the people were only suffering new and worsening mental health problems due to fear from the virus, not the fact that for many the damage is coming from the “new normal” rubbish.

418199 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to pvenkman, 8, #438 of 1944 🔗

I agree, I think he literally only sees the virus.

418226 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #439 of 1944 🔗

They are all monomaniacs. They see nothing but the virus. In comic drama/opera there would be a servant as a counterpoint, to check the effects of the “structural” hero’s obsession (the servants are the true heroes), which forms the wellspring of the comic effect. Nobody is playing that role. It has been said here before that we need to mock them. Once the regime is openly mocked (difficult with MSM, social media censorship) it all falls apart. At the moment the subversive humour is largely restricted to closed groups like this but I remain optimistic it will break through.

418265 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #440 of 1944 🔗

Where are all the actual comedians and satirists when you need them? I can’t believe they’re just prepared to have their careers ruined and not fight back with words off the back of their celebrity? Surely they’ve got nothing left to lose from doing that? Whatever happened to Mock the Week etc?

419249 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fear is Finite, #441 of 1944 🔗

Anything called Mock the Week would pose a serious threat to the narrative!

418282 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #442 of 1944 🔗

It’s obvious innit – depression is just another symptom of covid and the vax will cure it!

418340 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to vargas99, 1, #443 of 1944 🔗

Of course. Silly me.

418180 cubby, replying to cubby, 17, #444 of 1944 🔗

Disturbing news from Spain. The parliament of Galicia is to vote on the Government’s proposed modification to the health law. Being called “the Ausschwitz Law” by opponents it includes the following:
Enforced (Anal) PCR tests
Mandatory vaccination
Mandatory medical treatment as required
Quarantine centres mandatory for the positively tested
Enforced closure of businesses and seizure of property for non-compliance.

http://www.parlamentodegalicia.es/sitios/web/BibliotecaBoletinsOficiais/B110051_3.pdf

418204 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to cubby, 3, #445 of 1944 🔗

Sounds like a tory party wet dream !

418189 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #446 of 1944 🔗

I sit possible to have a functioning society where social interactions are prohibited and where the economy is based almost exclusively on retail and permanent pharmaceutical intervention?

419493 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #447 of 1944 🔗

no

418194 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 4, #448 of 1944 🔗

If a substantial proportion of the population is unvaccinated thisis probbly what the pharmaceutical companies want and need ?. We all suspect that the vaccination programme is in large part a masive extension of animal testing of new methods of therapy rather than a humanitarian exercise. For these trials to generate meaningful data , they need a control population that is unvaccinated . Which we have . So by comparing future trends in illness and mortality between vaccinated and invaccinated cohorts we can get some idea of the efficiency of vaccination in protecting potential victims of this species of coronavirus.
100% vaccination is not what we need if we are to extract useful data from this exercise.

418208 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mikewaite, 10, #449 of 1944 🔗

100% vaccination is not what we need if we are to extract useful data from this exercise.”

Possibly – but I haven’t detected much evidence of governments and other bodies being interested in useful data of any kind – in fact quite the opposite

418236 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to mikewaite, 3, #450 of 1944 🔗

Is the data being collected though? I haven’t heard one mention of any procedure for the ongoing monitoring of the vaccinated in normal trials, which is usually for 10 years.

418395 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to mikewaite, 2, #451 of 1944 🔗

Only useful if you accept that they have good intentions- which I don’t. Uncle Bill doesn’t care

419489 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mikewaite, #452 of 1944 🔗

I don’t think it’s a medical experiment at all. I think they already know very well what the vaccines are going to do. once nearly everyone is dead, the unvaccinated can be easily round up and shot

418206 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 13, #453 of 1944 🔗

The report detailing vaccine uptake of staff at University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust was discussed yesterday.

The percentages who agreed to vaccination are shown in the attached table. The report admits that ‘most who will accept vaccination have already done so ‘.

So the 35% overall unvaccinated percentage isn’t going to be far off the final number.

How do we think they will impose vaccine passports given that in the NHS alone there could be say 30% who don’t want to be vaccinated?

They can’t risk making it a condition of employment in the NHS surely, as the numbers of unvaccinated are likely too high. By the time any remaining vaccinations have taken place, perhaps 40% of doctors will have chosen not to be vaccinated for example. And we will likely end up with less than half of black staff vaccinated. Exempting ethnic minority groups from vaccine passports could be attempted. But I don’t see that being possible to implement. It is hard to manufacture an objective justification for the exemption given in the very rare cases where covid is serious, it more severely affects those with darker skin pigmentation. And so vaccine passports will disproportionately affect blacks and Asians given less of these groups are prone to vaccine over-confidence.

And in the general population, the virus will make it’s natural seasonal disappearance with reported virus numbers going down, as we head into Spring and Summer. And so vaccination in the general population is going to look less and less appealing in all but the most vaccine over-confident.

We shouldn’t be complacent about vaccine passports. We shouldn’t find the idea as remotely acceptable. We should remember things we thought could never happen, have happened times a hundred.

But a question to everyone, is it most likely that vaccine passports will never be introduced in England, with the possible exception of some short term restrictions on foreign travel to some countries perhaps. And if you think they will introduce vaccine passports, how will they implement this given the above?

And most other countries reliant on the tourist trade aren’t going to put their own restrictions on UK tourists coming into the country, in the long term, for fear of losing their share of tourist revenues, are they?

What do you think?

418222 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #454 of 1944 🔗

I think that 35% will drop when they start bringing in their coercion-that-isn’t-coercion.

418228 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #455 of 1944 🔗

i think it’s clear that they will bring in the passports and use these as a carrot / threat to the unvaxxed for a multitude of social exclusion. They will rely on business and public to alter the public opinion against the unvaxxed . Plus the gov propoganda will be off the scale for non-vaxxed conscientious objectors. Turn off all msm to avoid.

418243 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to penelope pitstop, 7, #456 of 1944 🔗

Time for a new un-vaxxed community, perhaps.

418266 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kh1485, 8, #457 of 1944 🔗

Yup by default we may have to – probably will issue us with a yellow star and stay in our ghettos.
I’m just hoping for a lot of dissenters to make the policy fall down; then I’m hoping for a load of people getting ADE in some months (“but i’ve had the miracle vaccine why am I so sick?”) and some serious questions being asked.
So I’m waiting this out for this year and see what happens – i’ll have to forgo any foreign trips which i love so will be a first for me – but i think the whole experience will be so ghastly with masks and tests galore that would be a stressfree holiday in any case.

418337 ▶▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #458 of 1944 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. I was hoping to be able to do some more foreign travel having done very little except on business so far. but the idea of planes and airports with endless queues and tests and masks just makes it all so horrific i dont mind foregoing it and just have to hope that in a few years time things might improve. But i don’t hold out much hope!

Re the actual passports, i think they will introduce them as they will tell us other countries will require them. Given the cost of holidays though, with the possibility of quarantine being introduced at the drop of a hat, and the expense that will be for a family of four, you wonder how many people will actually want to risk it? But if the tourist trade to the UK collapses and other countries are more welcoming, maybe that will give the government a kick up the backside

419475 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #459 of 1944 🔗

No questions will be asked!!! the propaganda will be out in full force: there are zero deaths from the ‘vaccine’, which is wonderful, and these deaths are the result of the new timbuctoo strain, and the scapegoats for this new strain are us: the unvaccinated. the brainwashed morons are already well and truly primed to swallow this bullshit without question

419105 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #460 of 1944 🔗

Regarding other countries, Galicia in Spain is proposing a change to the law (see my post above) which suggests they are only interesred in total control and damn the consequences. The British have been incredibly compliant so maybe sceptics in other countries might be able to prevent the worst excesses but be warned Spain, the UK´s favourite holiday destination, has practically destroyed its tourist trade.

418214 Mark, replying to Mark, 15, #462 of 1944 🔗

Hard to believe this is the fun-loving libertarian I voted for.

Then stop pandering to his self-misrepresentation by using his preferred matey, cuddly-sounding middle name “Boris”. He’s Johnson, just like Blair is Blair.

It’s not as though saving two letters is going to break the headline spacing, after all.

418232 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mark, #463 of 1944 🔗

Raly?

418268 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, #464 of 1944 🔗

?

418331 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Bungle, #465 of 1944 🔗

lol

419114 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Mark, #466 of 1944 🔗

Lets have a vote for an appropriate nickname. Boris the __________.
Bastard? Buffoon? When we all agree on a suitable monicker we can drop the friendly “Boris” bit.

418219 PhantomOfLiberty, 13, #467 of 1944 🔗

The Telegraph should listen to Lord Sumption and dump its Global Health Security section, presumably run in conjunction with Bill Gates.

418220 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 61, #468 of 1944 🔗

Want to thank the poster from a few days ago who provided me with today’s board protest:

Lockdown is WRONG;
Preventing normal social interaction is WRONG;
Governing by decree is WRONG;
Destroying businesses by fiat is WRONG;
Using the police to enforce ‘rules’ that are not law is WRONG.

I await the dirty looks.

418257 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 11, #469 of 1944 🔗

KH I have a suggestion for a future blackboard.

Sketch a football goal with wheels on it and write the heading goalposts moving. (was a funny meme I seen)

It’ll probably go over there head.

418258 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #470 of 1944 🔗

Thanks, I’ll add it to the list. You’re right, they won’t get it!

418280 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to kh1485, 4, #471 of 1944 🔗

If I passed them I would loudly read them out as people passed by!

418240 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #473 of 1944 🔗

But they DO know how hard it is. They just literally don’t care. They aren’t remotely interested in the individual. They work in a world of abstraction, while enjoying their wealth.

JHB is great, but she’s wasting her breath asking them to listen.

It’s way beyond the time for listening and persuading.

418285 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #474 of 1944 🔗

I believe Julia packs a mean punch….she should start making used of it with government ministers.

418224 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 20, #475 of 1944 🔗

You vote for Brexit. You get Brexit. And then you get an anonymous “senior minister” murmuring in private to Jonathan Sumption that liberal democracy is not fit for purpose and it’s time for something “Napoleonic”.

Well. That minister was half-right.

The entire elite needs removing by whatever means necessary. And then all architects and champions of the destruction of liberty over the past year need to be dealt with.

418264 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #476 of 1944 🔗

When anyone uses the term ”elite” for these people, it makes my blood boil. Whatever the various meanings of the word, THEY think they’re ”elite” and we should stop reinforcing their own inflated view of themselves.

418560 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Banjones, 2, #477 of 1944 🔗

All it means is “chosen”. Which is surely not in dispute. The only question is who does the choosing, and why they are allowed to get away with it.

418311 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #478 of 1944 🔗

It will take a lot for those to supported Brexit to realise that it was a power grab by a certain group within the British political class.

It is quite clear that it was never about freedom for ordinary people. It was about freedom for those in power to govern without any checks or balances.

That is why Corbyn was keen on it too. It would have allowed him to carry out his centrally planned, socialist agenda.

The only thing he could never have imagined was that Boris Johnson would do it for him.

418227 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 1, #479 of 1944 🔗

Celia Walden today at the Torygraph: “Impfpass macht frei!”

418315 ▶▶ Will, replying to JayBee, 4, #481 of 1944 🔗

What a pair they are. Irma Grese references her child, quite what hope there is for a child with parents like that I do not know.

418235 Crystal Decanter, 3, #482 of 1944 🔗

Looks like Gibraltar has some vacancies for the unvaccinated
Carry on slaying those Grannys

418237 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #483 of 1944 🔗

Speaking at the Downing Street press conference, the PM said he said: “We want this lockdown to be the last. And we want progress to be cautious, but also irreversible.”

This is not speech about freedom, it is speech about the resetting of humanity. Progress towards irreversible change. Schwab used similar language but went further by saying the cut we have made is too deep not to leave lasting effects.

418262 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Basics, 5, #484 of 1944 🔗

It will be the last, as they plan on keeping it up for good.
And if they fail to to that, it will also be the last, as those behind and in favour of it will then have been replaced, trialled and sent to a Gulag.
Which they are fully aware of and is why they will do everything they can to keep it up.
This is not going to end orderly, that’s for sure.

419271 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #485 of 1944 🔗

We want this mockdown, that’s been ongoing for almost twelve months now, to continue indefinitely. No need for any more mockdowns!

418241 caravaggio57, 2, #486 of 1944 🔗

The quickest way out of this s***show would be for Toby to set up a ‘ Go Fund Me’ page to pay for a new crystal ball for the ‘scientists’ at ICL. Their old one never worked properly. Presentation ceremony live streamed to the world.

418248 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #487 of 1944 🔗

BBC

Breaking News

Ten year jail term for impatient man

The imprisonment was imposed yesterday after the man was heard to say in a public place ‘they said it would be three weeks, then summer, then autumn and then Christmas. I’m getting impatient’

A police spokesperson said “Whist we understand peoples frustration our dear leader has implored us to be patient. This was a selfish act that could have led to the death of four more million babies”

The individual will be held in one of the new airport prison hotels

The prisoners family will be required to contribute £1,700 a day towards his accommodation

A government spokesperson denied they had any plans to use helicopters to drop prisoners into the North Sea

418300 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Cecil B, 11, #488 of 1944 🔗

Whilst these contributions are very enjoyable, I am finding that for the first few sentences I actually believe them to be true news stories. Reality and fiction are beginning to merge at a rather disturbing rate .

418256 Prof Feargoeson, 12, #489 of 1944 🔗

THE BLAGHARD TIMES

Today we are proud to showcase an interview with the renowned Professor Mingella of Oxford University. He talked to us about his important new program of testing the exciting new Covid vaccines on children.

I am a huge believer in the total eradication of this dreadful killer disease and want to ensure everyone in the country (and ideally the world) is vaccinated from the cradle to the grave (where they will not have died of Covid!)

To this end my new program will be testing vaccines on children who could be at enormous risk were the new mutant variants to start killing off the very young instead of the very old, as our models have shown could happen sometime in July.

We have acquired a large tract of land near Liverpool (Birken-something, I forget) to turn into a pleasant camp for the children where they can all get together properly in a spirit of comradeship.  To keep them totally safe we have fortified the site with razor wire.  To foster a Cub and Brownie atmosphere the children will be housed in attractive huts each with its own Head Boy or Girl.

No doubt the usual naysayers, conspiracy theorists and pusillanimous detractors will draw inappropriate wartime parallels with our camp and program – not so!  All of our kids are here with the full approval and signed agreement of their parents (or Councils in the case of the many Children’s Home kids.)

I am very confident we will emerge from this program having taken a giant leap forward in our fight against this vile disease so that all children can look ahead to a future where their health is fully safeguarded by their Government.

418261 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 61, #490 of 1944 🔗

A realisation of what we have lost

On Sunday evening I ,for some reason, decided to watch a few clips of recorded live music events on You Tube, probably because its that long since I went to one.

I enjoy traditional jazz type music and the songs of the 1930s and watched some events of The Piccadilly Dance Orchestra whom I have watched live a few times. They are all fabulous musicians.

It had an immediate impact on me…the sight of artists playing alongside, two pianists sat together on the stool playing together, singers singing next to each other, people dancing in the audience etc.

Now I’m a pretty tough guy but I could feel the tears welling up for what we have lost…my partner had the same reaction. Strangely the next day on the latest ‘chinwag’ with James Delingpole and Laura Perrins, Delingpole was making the same point that he really feared that the things we have lost now for so long maybe gone forever. Have people become so accustomed to living in fear of each other that they will no longer be capable of behaving normally ever again.

I hate the bastards who have destroyed our culture and society like this. Thats why I get sick of hearing names like ‘Boris’ as though he is some old chum who is squabbling with me about who won at marbles. I hate the lot of them and no end could be too bad for them as far as I am concerned.

418273 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Boris Bullshit, 26, #491 of 1944 🔗

I feel exactly the same. Those people have destroyed virtually all the things that, for me, make life worth living. I will never be reconciled with them. I am an enemy of the state. And I find my position radicalizing day by day.

People including ATL here need to stop calling Johnson Boris. Personally I think the ideal name for him is Pfeffel. It’s the onomatopoeic word imitating the sound he makes whenever he opens his revolting mouth.

418279 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 11, #492 of 1944 🔗

Very much so….I now feel almost all elements of the British state are corrupt and certainly my enemy.

419459 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #493 of 1944 🔗

I rather like ‘the Pig Dictator’ myself

418294 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #494 of 1944 🔗

Yes me too – I don’t want to watch new TV that is socially distanced but when I watch old stuff it just reminds me of how shit life is now

418357 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Julian, 9, #495 of 1944 🔗

One thing that sickens me about TV is the way some adverts and programmes have a government health warning ‘filmed before covid 19’….as if to say dont you plebs get any idea that we will ever be behaving normally again. I have to resist the urge to smash the TV.

418760 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 3, #496 of 1944 🔗

Just get rid of the telly. Haven’t had one since 2005 and it’s great!

418305 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #497 of 1944 🔗

Early last summer I ended up watching Foo Fighters performing “My Hero” at one of their massive concerts. They pulled a guy from the audience on stage during it and he and Grohl hugged in front of a huge crowd of people.

I admit, I had a minor emotional breakdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p493uCDdKk&ab_channel=IZdoesIT

418312 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #498 of 1944 🔗

Regarding the names I agree, we don’t have words enough to describe our opinions accurately, we also have to use words others can understand who we are talking about.

LS have been rightly restrained throughout about their deepest disgust of the protagonists.

Writing Matt is an affront to our integrity, just as you say.

418576 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Boris Bullshit, -3, #499 of 1944 🔗

Delingpole was making the same point that he really feared that the things we have lost now for so long maybe gone forever.

Delingpole is a MSM shill, and always has been, even with Brexit. A regular milksop ‘we can’t do anything about it’ guy, even though he tries to be the outspoken one. His articles are always cut and paste, with not a scrap of originality, warning constantly of the great forces massed against us. His is Haw-Haw propaganda of the worst sort.
Politics & MSM might well appear to be Globalists v Feudalists at the moment, but remember theses elites love each other really (hence the centrist Con:Lab Alliance that makes up the UK Regime). They do NOT love us serfs, however.
So if we want to go dancing again, we bloody well hire a dancehall and do it! Or do it in the nearest park with a bandstand. The resistance must organise not whinge!!

418270 Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, 5, #500 of 1944 🔗

I was interested in the UnlockInn campaign, but sadly it accepts the lockdown continuation narrative and as usual suggests that substantial extra government financial support will be enough for them to comply….my local innkeeper does not agree.
This has been the mantra throughout – after all Andy Burnham was successful in securing more money but no changes in terms of tier restrictions.
So nothing will change

418277 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Barbara Baker, 4, #501 of 1944 🔗

Yes, it’s merely pleading for support. Waste of time. They should just open and provoke a fight.

418272 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #502 of 1944 🔗

In the 1940’s the transports and death camps would have been run by G4S

GVierS

418303 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Cecil B, 3, #503 of 1944 🔗

They’ve just been bought by a US megacorp with lots of juicy Pentagram contracts, plenty of money to bribe our whore politicians now.

The way things are going in the US, especially with the fake resistance ‘defund’ campaign, I wouldn’t be surprised if these private security forces have a larger role to play in policing in future, like OCP in RoboCop.

418430 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer, 3, #504 of 1944 🔗

I think private security forces already play a larger part in policing in this country than we’re generally aware of, especially the policing of demonstrations.

418428 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cecil B, #505 of 1944 🔗

Nice one, Cecil. Yes, you’re right, they would.

418281 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #506 of 1944 🔗

How many of the total of the UK population do not have and do not want a modern “smart phone” ?
I have an old nokia that is great for the basics and have no desire to buy into this “prison grid”. Same reason why i never joined facebook or twitter. I know many who are even more “anti” than myself, admittedly in the 50 plus bracket.
Are the tories going to shake the “money tree” yet again to offer millions of people free smart phones ? i bet they are considering it.

418289 ▶▶ jb12, replying to nickbowes, 3, #507 of 1944 🔗

No, they will give you an irremovable bracelet.

418292 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to jb12, 5, #508 of 1944 🔗

smart phones have eroded the minds of the young today and that is why we have the nation of spineless sheep we have today.

418290 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to nickbowes, 4, #509 of 1944 🔗

What are these “smart phones” (sic) good for? Binging MSM, becoming dumber day by day.

418348 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to nickbowes, 1, #510 of 1944 🔗

And I bet they’re considering including in that ”10 year prison sentence” the crime of not carrying a smart phone, or lying about having the jab.

418352 ▶▶ Kat, replying to nickbowes, 2, #511 of 1944 🔗

Well, given that the track and trace app wasn’t downloadable on many people’s phones, I can’t see that a vaccine passport is going to work on everyone’s mobiles.

418498 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to nickbowes, 3, #512 of 1944 🔗

I use a 20 year old Nokia. Only make the occasional call and text. Wold take me 5 minutes to work out how to take a photo. None of it interests me and phones are now abhorrent and have ended literacy, conversation and intelligence. I am sure kids wake up and check their phones to know what opinions they are supposed to hold that day. All about being in the biggest gang.

418771 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nickbowes, 1, #513 of 1944 🔗

They’ll be wasting their time & money because if you look at the T&T and QR codes, half the time they never worked. Many of my millenial colleagues have the latest model smart phones and always has trouble with QR codes and such.

418283 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 18, #514 of 1944 🔗

Re my post last week , I had ‘ the jab’ on Thursday. Well run operation in fairly local medical centre but mass vaccination UGH!!
Had a sore arm Friday and more tired & more muscle aches & pains than normal ( these are part of my chronic illness) plus a bit of anger & despondency at having succumbed. But at my age(76) and with my illness, if it helps get me to France to see my family ( plus a jolly to the Côte d’Azur)one more time, I feel it will be worth it.
What worries me most is that although my rheumatology & pulmonary consultants advised me to have ‘the vaccine’ no one knows the long term effect on the immune system of people like me with autoimmune disease and suppressed immune systems.
I had hoped to have a few more years travelling with my husband in our ancient Motorhome (167,000 miles, mostly in Europe) but the way the world is going, I feel I don’t want to be part of it and am grateful for the years that I have had and fearful for the future for my two grandchildren.

418288 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Cathnotchas, 9, #515 of 1944 🔗

I am glad you are ok, but your doctors are utterly irresponsible, especially when we are starting to get the health profile of the people most likely to succumb to serious side effects – those with autoimmune diseases are on that list. Which vaccine was it?

418308 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to jb12, 3, #516 of 1944 🔗

Pfitzer. I guess the side effects I have had ( so far!) are not too serious as I am used to never feeling well. My fear is that my immune system, which attacked my lungs ( five years ago) might go for my heart next!!

418322 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #517 of 1944 🔗

I hope it doesn’t. Living with autoimmune conditions is frightening.

418296 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cathnotchas, 6, #518 of 1944 🔗

I hope you get over the side effects soon. Interesting that your rheumatologist doesn’t know the long term effect for those with autoimmune conditions. Some 16 year olds with my daughter’s condition have had the jab; I think their parents are mad to be taking the risk with no evidence of the long term impact. I hope you are able to continue your travels.

418298 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cathnotchas, 6, #519 of 1944 🔗

And you thought the best way to safeguard your grandchildren’s future was to submit to an experimental vaccine in order to be able to get away a few more times to France?

418304 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to stewart, 11, #520 of 1944 🔗

If you want people to have the right not to take the vaccine, you have to grant them the right to take it, if that is what they want.

418324 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Will, 2, #521 of 1944 🔗

I simply asked a question. His rationale is an insight into the lunacy of the situation. He’s worried about his grandchildren but plays along with all of it for what he admits is selfish, short term reasons.

He can do what he wants. But doesn’t make it coherent and just a wee bit selfish…

418342 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to stewart, 10, #522 of 1944 🔗

That’s a very smug ”I’m all right, Jack” sort of remark. Perhaps you’re not 76 with worsening illness, and feeling the cold wind of mortality. ”Selfish and short term” are cruel words when it is someone’s final chance, as they see it, to be with their family.

418350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 3, #523 of 1944 🔗

But you don’t fight that injustice by just giving in. Otherwise we’ve no hope. The government have done this to them not a virus. And they’ll do it to their children too.

418411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Banjones, 3, #524 of 1944 🔗

If it’s their final chance to see their family, believe me it’s not because of me.

I think you’ll find that the cruel ones are the ones that are forcing people to stay away from each other, making them jump through unprecedented hoops and moving the goalposts.

I you think I’m the one being cruel, you’ve lost the plot along with everyone else.

418609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to stewart, 3, #525 of 1944 🔗

But I haven’t ”lost the plot”. I am trying to empathise with someone in a difficult situation, with hard choices. I have time on my side – I’m not 76 and poorly – so I can afford to wait and stand up to the iniquities.
If I were getting on in years then I might not feel so stoic. Good on you, Cath – use the rest of your years to bring some peace, to your grandchildren too, who probably will be glad you’re thinking of them.

418684 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Banjones, #526 of 1944 🔗

These are serious moral dilemmas that we should not have to face but I think Stewart is right…you cant divorce your own actions from the process of giving support to the intentions of the globalists which are truly evil in nature. Stewart’s point was the opposite of ‘I’m all right Jack’…he is looking at the wider picture.

418345 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 3, #527 of 1944 🔗

Have to agree. I’ll say that they have succumbed under the wealth of fear and psychological manipulation out there, so I am extremely sympathetic, especially given their condition.

Yet, they have actually done their grandchildren a disservice in this case. They’ve acquiesced to what is increasingly looking like authoritarianism

418326 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to stewart, 6, #528 of 1944 🔗

Not with you there. I have succumbed to the vaccine as it may help me to get to France (with the stupid vaccine passport which I feel will be forced upon us)at least one more time to see my grandchildren.

418705 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #529 of 1944 🔗

I hope you are ok after your vaccine but I cannot agree with your argument. I can understand it though but in my view its hard to reconcile accepting experimental vaccines brought out by the very people who have oppressed us for the last year with real opposition to lockdown. Lockdown was merely a tool to force us all to accept vaccines and health passports and ultimately social credit system. ‘Take your vaccine medicine and we will remove lockdown etc’. Personally I dont believe it will even do that as lockdowns are a means to an end not the end in itself.

419233 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to stewart, #530 of 1944 🔗

to be fair to her Stewart, there’s not much she can really do to safeguard her grandchildren’s future anyway – like all of us, they are totally fucked. why not go to France one last time, one last ‘hurrah’? let’s hope she lives long enough

418319 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cathnotchas, 3, #531 of 1944 🔗

You’ve given up your power to hold b tbe government to account on allowing you to travel. Why not wait until they show you this is the case? It’s your decision, my mum has had it without asking my opinion.

I hope you are OK.

“The enclosed finding as well as additional potential risks leads the author to believe that regulatory approval of the RNA based vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 was premature and that the vaccine may cause much more harm than benefit”

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

Anyone else still on the fence… Do your research. You cannot get unvaxxed.

419442 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #532 of 1944 🔗

I firmly believe that everyone who takes this injection is going to die: probably very few immediately [although today, coming hard on the heels of my untreated cancer friend yesterday, I did hear today of a distant relative, in his 90’s, who previously healthy, dropped down dead at home 12 hours after taking the vaccine – as I predicted, it begins] – but the vast majority will die between 3 and 36 months later, from autoimmune issues. This is genocide, the most evil and audacious the world has ever seen. There are about 8 billion more people on the planet than those driving this agenda would like to see, and they intend within 36 months to have culled them all.

418325 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cathnotchas, 5, #533 of 1944 🔗

No one knows the medium term side effects and no one will for a medium term time period.
It is a personal risk reward judgment call, and, frankly, doctors are of no help here for the self-informed.
Which is why any form of coercion is just as wrong as a blanket advise against having it.
Best of luck and keep up your individual and positive attitude!

418477 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to JayBee, 3, #534 of 1944 🔗

Thank you JayBee. Some of the negative comments have upset me. I have done a lot of research but the pressure I have been under has been unbearable. If I see my two grandsons one more time I will be happy and there will be no more vaccines for me.

418341 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cathnotchas, 6, #535 of 1944 🔗

Glad you are okay
I hate the people who have put you in this position

418459 ▶▶▶ Cathnotchas, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #536 of 1944 🔗

Thank you CD. I hate them with a hate that I never knew I could possess.

418578 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #537 of 1944 🔗

Glad you’re ok and sorry about the unenviable position you’ve been placed in regarding the vaccine. I can understand your reasons for having it and would never condemn anyone for their choice as all our circumstances are different. Your motorhome sounds great and I hope you get to see your grandchildren soon.

418673 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Cathnotchas, 1, #538 of 1944 🔗

It might help you to get to France to see your family (though even that is doubtful) but it just adds that tiny impetus to the government thinking enough people have been jabbed to be able to force health passports on everyone including those who do not have family in France but might just need to eat.

419209 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cathnotchas, #539 of 1944 🔗

you are right to be fearful for them. I don’t think that my children or your grandchildren actually have any future.

419231 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cathnotchas, #540 of 1944 🔗

You’ve done those kids a great disservice by having the jab

418293 stewart, replying to stewart, 28, #541 of 1944 🔗

It is blatantly obvious that Britain is now firmly on a zero-covid path.

  • Extremely low infection will become zero infections. The next shift in goalposts will be sold on on the same grounds: last lockdown, now that we’ve got this far, etc..
  • Closed borders. The hotel quarantine will eventually be extended to all countries with very limited and very controlled entry and exit.

The basis for all this is the Ferguson dogma: we thought we couldn’t get away with any of this but we’ve discovered we can. The population is firmly on board, because the propaganda will ensure it is.

The British government is now in full-on totalitarian mode. It is replicating the way China is run.

The Chinese government does not concern itself with consulting the population about policy. It decides the polices that it considers best for the people and which at the same time cement its own power and then just implements them. They are backed by a powerful propaganda machine that tells the public what it feels it needs to know to promote stability and create a sense of unity.

This is the relationship with the state that people seem to want to have. One of authoritarian parents that take care of their children, keep them safe and tell them what is best.

Not everyone wants this, but enough do to make it completely inevitable now.

418302 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to stewart, 13, #542 of 1944 🔗

No. It is still less than 1% of the population who are driving this agenda and maybe someone like Hancock will meet his reinhard heydrich moment hopefully.

418307 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to nickbowes, #543 of 1944 🔗

Aye.

418310 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to nickbowes, 4, #544 of 1944 🔗

You know what happened afterwards in Prague though…

418321 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to JayBee, 8, #545 of 1944 🔗

Yes, they will double down on everything in the name of “national security”. That is to be expected but to win a war you have to lose many battles. Look and believe in the day we see the rats going into hiding but ultimately will be put on trial for crimes against humanity, which is where, unbelievably really, we are today.

418309 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, 4, #546 of 1944 🔗

I think they are all just puppets on a/Bill Gates? string.
It is too obvious how they (Sweden, Merkel, Kurz, Johnson&co) all (had to) change the goalposts, just as Spring and lower numbers beckoned.

418320 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JayBee, 4, #547 of 1944 🔗

Don’t believe the misinformation about Sweden.

418407 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, 2, #548 of 1944 🔗

They tightened, just a bit and useless, of course.
They are all in and driving the testing mania and vaxx Passports.
This doesn’t make sense, if they were really sceptical and independent.

418416 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to JayBee, 4, #549 of 1944 🔗

I agree . Would love to know how they were ‘got to’
I was / am a big Tegnell fan

418493 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Harry Chara, 2, #550 of 1944 🔗

Tegnell wasn’t got to – the Social Democrat govt changed the law around him

418513 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to JayBee, 1, #551 of 1944 🔗

I think Sweden has fallen between a rock and a hard place. Whilst they might not believe in the need for and/or safety of vaccines, without going along with ‘the western driven programme’ the movement of people in and out of their country would be all but impossible. We can hope that maybe they are tentatively being seen to go along with it whilst anticipating that the whole idea will fall apart.

418368 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to stewart, #552 of 1944 🔗

Not everyone wants this, but enough do to make it completely inevitable now.”

Unfortunately a result of allowing “laissez faire” in schools and universities rather than defunding the dangerous stuff.

You’ll note they haven’t avoided pushing the political line in Scotland. The schools there push the party line.

418504 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #553 of 1944 🔗

Are you my MP? Same drivel I get from him

418301 JayBee, 25, #554 of 1944 🔗

Lord Sumption is spot on, as always, and I envy his hair (also a sign that he is one if the few honest people not sneaking in a barber).
This was and is basically the full takeover of the deep state, the Civil service apparatus in conjunction with the multinationals, of the independent private sector.
So, basically, Fascism.

418313 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #555 of 1944 🔗

Don’t know about anyone else but I’ve been called an anti-vaxxer despite having all my jabs. Apparently, if you are BAME, you are “vaccine hesitant”. Which is nice.

Sky News: COVID-19: ‘Tsunami of disinformation’ around COVID jabs, vaccines minister says.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-tsunami-of-disinformation-around-covid-jabs-vaccines-minister-says-12219595

418330 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #556 of 1944 🔗

I refuse to be labelled anti vaccine, I simply do not wish to participate in the ongoing stage three trials of an experimental genetic treatment. I will assess the results and then make an informed decision.

418363 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Les Tricoteuses, -24, #557 of 1944 🔗

Nobody is asking you to take it. But the evidence on the ground is that there is very little impact from it, and far less than the virus itself.

It is always a balance of risk, but the fear of a vaccine that kills even fewer people than the virus is just as irrational as fear of the virus itself if you’re not in a vulnerable group.

Hysteria on either side doesn’t help.

418381 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 15, #558 of 1944 🔗

Good morning 77th.

418382 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Lucan Grey, 15, #559 of 1944 🔗

Nobody is asking you to take it.

You really haven’t been paying attention, have you ?

418390 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #560 of 1944 🔗

Not ‘the ground’ in Gibraltar, that’s for sure.

418399 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #561 of 1944 🔗

Hysteria on either side doesn’t help.”

Indeed. But pointing out that these vaccines have been rushed through the approval process due to the fantasy “emergency” and are therefore objectively still “experimental”, is absolutely not “hysterical”, but rather it’s a statement of fact.

How much weight to place on it is another matter.

Regardless, the vaccines serve mainly to secure in place the idea that big pharma is our saviour – against a trivial but massively overblown threat.

418480 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #562 of 1944 🔗

What do you know about ADE that no one else on the planet has any data for, and how have you reached this conclusion?

418546 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #563 of 1944 🔗

Astounding. Leaving aside controversy of origin of SARS-CV-2, one is natural killer, the other is man made and given as a good for people. You are insane

418397 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #564 of 1944 🔗

1. I am not anti-vaxx, although by having being forced to research it more throughly, I have now definitely become more vaccine sceptical, meaning mainly more adjuvant concerned.
2. There is currently no vaccine against Covid (maybe Sinopharm’s but it’s useless), only experimental gene therapies.
The first vaccine that could make sense is the Novavax one, but one still needs to study the data and adjuvant (nanoparticles) more thoroughly.
3. SarsCov2/Covid are completely unsuitable candidates for a vaccine.
The (unisolated?) pathogen and the (alleged? just an agglomeration of symptoms?) disease simply do not fulfil ANY of the 4 standard criteria for being a suitable candidate for a vaccine.
4. Herd immunity, and in particular the HIT, are a myth without medical evidence, even before the WHO’s fraudulent, unscientific redefinition of the term (Gatti,Montanari,CHD).
The HIT in particular is just an invention, a theoretical computer model, done by computer modelers, aka epidemiologists, to justify the vaccination of people not at risk of a pathogen, which is unethical and basically a crime, motivated by greed.
Count me out on that one:
Vaccination only ever makes sense for those at risk.

418334 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #565 of 1944 🔗

I take a different tack and just tell them that I’ve learned my lesson from IT – never be an early adopter. Best to let others work out the bugs, especially when it’s brand new tech and has been released before testing was finished.

I know a lot of people who swear by this principle when it comes to technology, and with good reason, but because of government funded paranoia they are suddenly happy to let someone squirt a buggy RNA program into their bodies. And especially with Bill Gates lurking in the background. I’ve seen that fucker’s software updates….

418338 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer, 6, #566 of 1944 🔗

its a good approach

I tend to say I’m not at risk so someone else can have it. It would be selfish of me to take it off some poor sod in the developing world

418391 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #567 of 1944 🔗

You’re the wrong colour that’s why you are called an Anti-vaxxer

418433 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Harry Chara, 4, #568 of 1944 🔗

I think we will have cause to be grateful to the BAME community, even though if I were black, Asian or other ethnicity, I would hate to be classified as ‘BAME’.

418314 Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #569 of 1944 🔗

Lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr ., son of Robert F. Kennedy and the nephew of former U.S. president John F. Kennedy, has penned a comprehensive account of Bill Gates’ attempt to monopolise and dominate global food production, labelling it “a dark form of philanthrocapitalism based on biopiracy and corporate biopiracy.”

https://summit.news/2021/02/08/robert-f-kennedy-jr-pens-encyclopedic-account-of-bill-gates-neo-feudalism/

418316 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 6, #570 of 1944 🔗

It is depressing for me at the moment, close contact business, I want to earn an living and support myself, a real basic, I am at the point now of wondering if I need to re-train. Is my business viable now? how will any of us that run a hospitality/hair/beauty/tattoo artist/gym etc be able to earn a living. Even my husband in his late 50s is having the jab tomorrow, and yet no end in sight to this and no idea when I can work again despite this vaccine rollout.

I am waiting to see what the budget next month will bring, but I doubt Sunak will help any of the 3 million excluded like me sadly.

418745 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to liztr835, #571 of 1944 🔗

Its hard to see how any of these businesses are viable now…its clearly going to be one lockdown after another with mild periods of lifting of restrictions but keeping all the masks and distancing bullshit to make it a thoroughly unpleasant experience. After that it will probably be ‘climate lockdowns’. Unless there is a fight back this is our future. I cant see anyone in the future bothering to set up one of these businesses…why would they? The best career choice now is NHS/public sector where you will get paid regardless. The downside of course is that you have to leave your brain at the door and agree to no end of dogma and propaganda.

I know a girl who has a massage salon (no not that sort lol!) and she has barely worked for the last year. In the late summer I had a massage and told her she did not need to wear a mask with me and she gratefully took it off.

It makes me laugh when you see ‘for sale’ notices above closed pubs saying ‘Do you want to run this pub!!’ Who in the right mind would want to do that? They can be closed at the click of a finger backed by Britains’ fascist police.

419024 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to liztr835, #572 of 1944 🔗

you are not expected to ever work again. the plan is that by 2025 at the latest you will be dead.

418323 J4mes, 3, #573 of 1944 🔗

Anyone else noticed the phenomenon of a reduction in testing in correlation to a drop in infections? And in really good timing for local electioneering…

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

418327 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, #574 of 1944 🔗
418370 ▶▶ mj, replying to 2 pence, 3, #575 of 1944 🔗

Please note this video is not live. it was recorded in the “early hours of Sunday 24th January.” This is clear stated at the beginning of the comments .
Given the amount of daylight probably around 9.00.
So this is misleading.

418429 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to mj, 1, #576 of 1944 🔗

Apologies.

418332 isobar, 10, #577 of 1944 🔗

Some good news from the Netherlands
‘Dutch court orders government to scrap night-time curfew’
https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/02/16/dutch-court-orders-government-night-time-curfew-to-be-scrapped/

418335 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #578 of 1944 🔗

Posting this for the archive, unwatchable propaganda.

Sky News special report (full scale propaganda complete with emotional music and sharp manipulative editing)

BAME people (their accornym not mine) get yourselves jabbed up or else the virus with “seek you out”.

30 minutes of sickness.
https://youtu.be/1i2tVuZUtKA

418487 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Basics, 6, #579 of 1944 🔗

Watching last night’s Panorama special about the ‘anti vaxxer propaganda’ it brought it home to me just how patronising the Government’s and media’s attitude to the BAME community is. It is clear to me that many in the BAME community have done their research and thinking around the vaccination issue. They are, thankfully, not representative of the gullible masses that inhabit this country.

But the BBC were persisting in implying that the BAME community had been deliberately targeted by the ‘anti-vax movement’ and must be more susceptible because they can’t think for themselves. The truth is the complete opposite.

418538 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #580 of 1944 🔗

It’s propaganda I’ve never seen in such blatant terms. Literally ANYTHING that questions the vaccines is ANTI Vax. Total weaponisation of the language.

But then that was the intention. Make it clear that anyone in your circle that espouses any concern has been taken in by dangerous social media. So stay aware. Family members and friends not awake to that who have watched it will have been gaslit.

418336 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #581 of 1944 🔗

overall deaths not really coming down even though all seasonal viruses have been on the wane since early Jan

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

probably ‘something else’ killing people. Lockdown would be my guess plus vaccines on the frail

418356 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to steve_w, -7, #582 of 1944 🔗

Or simply the time it takes for people to die from an illness.

It can take eight weeks or more to die of Covid. We’re unlikely to see marked drop offs in deaths until April.

418385 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #583 of 1944 🔗

But we are seeing marked drop offs in Covid deaths, at least according to the government’s dodgy data – currently down 26%.

418482 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Lucan Grey, #584 of 1944 🔗

Keep on shillin’

418512 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #585 of 1944 🔗

Statistical BS. The average time from onset to death is 7 days. In fact the MSM have been hiding this figure from the public because of course we should have been seeing a much more rapid decline in Covid deaths if vaccination of the vulnerable was working “as advertised”. You’ve obviously been taken in by MSM propaganda.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/928729/S0803_CO-CIN_-_Time_from_symptom_onset_until_death.pdf

418522 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Lucan Grey, #586 of 1944 🔗

We are seeing the dropoffs – now.

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/

418358 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, 1, #587 of 1944 🔗

”Something else”? Old age? Other illnesses? I understand overall deaths are more or less the same as other years.

418378 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Banjones, -7, #588 of 1944 🔗

Deaths are substantially higher than other years in England. See the Euromomo stats.

418530 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lucan Grey, #589 of 1944 🔗

England. Nowhere else. Why? Must be a border thing. Wake up.

418750 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Lucan Grey, #590 of 1944 🔗

Go and play with your magic money tree.

418605 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Banjones, #591 of 1944 🔗

Flu?

418448 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to steve_w, #592 of 1944 🔗

Presumably IC Units are still close to being ‘overwhelmed’ then! If they are not, I wonder how the Government explains that, being that death rates remain the same – rising home/care home deaths? If so, why are people dying at home and not hospitals?

If IC Units are still close to being overwhelmed, why has that dropped out of the media? And if covid hospitalisations and deaths are dropping then, as you say, what are the ‘additional’ patients in IC Units being treated for? Either they are suffering the consequences of lockdown or vaccines or it confirms many people’s belief all along that the majority of ‘covid’ patients were actually admitted for other conditions, not covid, and now that the PCR cycle has been (intentionally) reduced they are no longer coronavirus +ve.

418343 Mark, replying to Mark, 15, #593 of 1944 🔗

“the senior minister who recently told me that liberal democracy was an unsuitable model for dealing with a pandemic. Something more “Napoleonic” was needed, said he.”

So, given a choice between liberal democracy with the risk of an increase for a year or so over the usual death rate from just under one per cent to just over one per cent (accepting the wilder fantasies of the Imperial College nonsense for the sake of argument), or authoritarian, paternalist tyranny with the uncertain possibility of keeping that percentage a little closer to the normal, at unknown but obviously very high cost, our “senior ministers” along with the entire “opposition” party hierarchy, had no hesitation in choosing the latter.

Kind of tells you what kind of people our political parties are made up of.

They failed us. Time for new parties manned by new people.

No opponent of lockdown should ever vote for a “Conservative”, Labour, Scottish “Nationalist” Party, or “Liberal” Democrat candidate again, short perhaps of a full personal apology and repudiation of their party’s complicity in the lockdown crime.

The only parties I’ve seen that have clearly come out against lockdown are:

Heritage Party :

The draconian coronavirus laws and regulations implemented for a disease no worse than a bad flu season are an egregious attack on our civil liberties. The Heritage Party opposes arbitrary restrictions on citizens and businesses, and will dismantle the legal framework which gives the government the powers to erode our liberty in this manner again .”

Reclaim :

Imagine a country where the borders between its constituent parts are shut down, travel between them forbidden and enforced by the police.  Supermarkets have shelves roped off and the state deems what shoppers might find essential. Right of assembly, not just in public places but between families and households, is under legal constraint. Neighbours are encouraged to inform on anyone who might be in breach.
Pubs, restaurants, concert halls, theatres, cinemas and sports stadiums, if they operate at all, do so in desultory fashion. Limited numbers, curfews, tracked, traced.
The state broadcaster keeps the population placid with a diet of fear. Fear of an unseen enemy against which only the state can protect them. As long as they obey the rules. Travel to other countries is difficult, if not impossible, and the state must be allowed to track you on return .”

Farage’s Reform has blown hot and cold.

Happy to learn about any others – who knows, one day perhaps a party of the left might even come out in favour of liberty and sanity, but not aware of any atm.

For the rest, they are at best useless, at worst, enthusiastic collaborators.

If we don’t see a dramatic drop in votes for the mainstream parties and a huge increase in votes for antilockdown parties at the next local elections, we can give up on liberal democracy as a failure.

418349 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 18, #594 of 1944 🔗

And the chilling words of Peter Hitchens yesterday should be born in mind when contemplating the future, now the politicians we have so foolishly elected to office know that they can get away with this kind of thing:

The people who are now designing Lockdown 2.0 for the next virus outbreak will have paid very close attention to the problems they’ve had with enforcing these fines and I absolutely guarantee you that next time round they will be able to take the money off you on the spot, and there won’t be any messing around of this kind, and all kinds of other loopholes and stretchable points about the regulations which have been discovered and in my view more or less accepted by a lot of police forces, won’t exist the next time round, because there are certainly people who see this as far too weak and relaxed a lockdown and look, longingly, for instance at Australia, particularly at Victoria and Melbourne, and long to do to us what was done to them, but which they couldn’t do under any British law. Watch out very carefully for what Parliament is made to get up to in the next year or two in preparation for Lockdown 2.0.

Peter Hitchens: ‘Once you give your freedom away, you can’t get it back’ | 15-Feb-21

418351 ▶▶ iane, replying to Mark, 1, #595 of 1944 🔗

“we can give up on liberal democracy as a failure.” A bit late to the party, I fear: that came to an end with the Major and Blair years!

418362 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to iane, 7, #596 of 1944 🔗

Not completely. Brexit happened. Popular voting can still have some effect, and freedom of speech and opinion, while threatened by evil “hate speech” laws and cancel culture, is still not entirely suppressed. And until the repressive, intrusively totalitarian coronapanic laws, it was still to some extent possible to get on with your life without paying much attention to the politicians and their nonsense.

418373 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mark, 4, #597 of 1944 🔗

Popular voting could have an effect. Get ready for postal only machine counted elections. Very efficient, doncha know, and environmentally sound.

418387 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ovis, 7, #598 of 1944 🔗

But regardless, we have nothing to lose by voting for antilockdown parties in the meantime.

418491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 2, #599 of 1944 🔗

I agree. We have to vote anti-lockdown.Local elections are the perfect opportunity as committed anti-lockdowners will have a proportionately greater effect in such elections. However, to be honest, I am not expecting a huge impact for a number of reasons.

1.The negative economic impacts of lockdown will still not be fully felt in late spring (because of furlough). Meanwhile, the pro-vaccine propaganda machine will be in overdrive and the seasonal reduction in Covid will be fully ascribed to the success of vaccination.

2.Reclaim led by the rather louche Laurence, probably won’t get much purchase outside London and within London will be sat upon by the PC vote.

3.Farage’s Reform party seems to be all over the place. Farage himself was footling around in the Channel in summer last year when he should have been confronting the biggest assault on our liberty since the early 1800s. They are still not clearly opposed to lockdown and seem wrapped up in vaccine dogma.

BTW you missed off the SDP, which I understand is strongly opposed to lockdown and does already have elected councillors. It might be well placed to expand its presence in the North, especially in the old Red Wall areas which are probably disenchanted with Johnson by now.

418628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, #600 of 1944 🔗

Just posted yesterday’s interview of Clouston on TalkRadio. I did miss them out, but I’ve seen them as a bit hit and miss on lockdown. I recall some good stuff early on from Clouston, but some less good stuff from official party outlets.

In the “blows hot and cold” category with Reform, for me, for the moment.

418779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, #601 of 1944 🔗

I don’t think I trust them either…not with people like Roy Jenkins as the founding fathers.

418830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, #602 of 1944 🔗

They absolutely aren’t my cup of tea, in wider politics terms. But if they were honestly anti-lockdown and were the only party in my constituency that was, I’d hold my nose and vote for them.

418751 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mark, #603 of 1944 🔗

what anti-lockdown parties? I haven’t heard of any. and besides, I don’t think we are going to be able to vote our way out of this one.

418826 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JaneHarry, #604 of 1944 🔗

I’ve just listed two for you, with quotes.

418452 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, #605 of 1944 🔗

Popular voting could have an effect”

Yes – at the moment, probably by instituting eternal lockdown and masking.

Majoritarianism : be careful what you wish for.

418447 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to iane, #606 of 1944 🔗

“that came to an end with the Major and Thatcher through Blair years.”

418526 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, #607 of 1944 🔗

Democracy is riddled with control mechanisms that mean mass withdrawal of support for the two parties is almost impossible. In Northern Ireland we’ve had the worst level of politicians for years, they are completely useless, have even been corrupt (RHI, Red Sky, Covid) and they remain high in the polls.

I don’t think I have the energy to commit my hope to such an effort and expect it will do any good.

418604 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #608 of 1944 🔗

The point is that small committed minorities can have a disproportionate impact if they are motivated. How do you think the pc identity lobbies came to be so influential, or the eurosceptics who were a tiny derided minority a couple of decades ago?

What is needed is a willingness to subordinate all other issues to this one. Be the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

418772 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 1, #609 of 1944 🔗

I think Reform UK have had their ‘Gerald Ratner’ moment when Farage was almost having an orgasm about Tony Blair. Farage and Tice may have been good for brexit supporters but they seem opportunistic and untrustworthy on this to me. Anyone who supports the vaccine rollout is at least half way to accepting the logic of lockdown and don’t forget Farage enthusiastically supported the first lockdown. I will never again vote Tory,Labour,Green,Lib Dem etc…they are all scum to me. So either other parties are available or its ‘NOTA’ for me.

418833 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, #610 of 1944 🔗

Tice seems to have been pretty solid on lockdown (vaccine aside – granted, a big qualifier), Farage not. But a party with Farage in it usually ends up dancing to his tune…

418344 C S, replying to C S, 16, #611 of 1944 🔗

Peston highlighting that “even though Boris really doesnt want to do it, there is a lot of support for vaccine passports – even for everyday activities such as going to the supermarket or the pub”. Then you find out the survey was carried out by Serco…say no more. Classic example of a poll designed to shape opinion rather than measure it

Are we really to believe that 60pct of people would support vaccine passports for entertainment venues?

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1361620309372268545

418353 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to C S, 10, #612 of 1944 🔗

Don’t ask. Peston is already on the list and will be labouring in the fields this time next year

418359 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to C S, 3, #613 of 1944 🔗

Onions contain quercetin which can be used as a proxy for HCq.

418398 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #614 of 1944 🔗

Curry or herd immunity.

418377 ▶▶ Kat, replying to C S, 3, #615 of 1944 🔗

What these idiots fail to understand is that if you have a vaccine passport then everyone who works in an entertainment venue, pub or supermarket would also have to have one. Many events work on the basis of temporary staff and freelancers – the cost of monitoring all that is going to be immense so I can’t see the live entertainment industry getting back to normal anytime soon.

418466 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Kat, 1, #616 of 1944 🔗

BBC news in an interview with Zahawadi(?) suggested LFT for the audience in theatres and concerts.
I guess all the ones who can prove they have been vaccinated do not need to do them, how do you test at least 500? How early do the need to be at the venue? Where do you do the tests? How do you report back? Who pays for it?
How many staff do you need?
It is ridiculous!!

418515 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Silke David, 1, #617 of 1944 🔗

As the pro vaccination lobby keep telling us, vaccination is not 100% effective – and that’s why we need continued lockdown.

418648 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Kat, #618 of 1944 🔗

Exactly the point sadly

418392 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to C S, 2, #619 of 1944 🔗

Another wretched human interest story about kindly old Boris. He doesn’t really want to employ these fascistic measures, you see, but these are dangerous times.

418417 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to C S, 3, #620 of 1944 🔗

No, it is thrown out there so that we will be “relieved” to learn that it will be required for travel only. Good luck with the variants and different country’s smorgasbord of vaccines.

418456 ▶▶ RickH, replying to C S, #621 of 1944 🔗

Are we really to believe that 60pct of people would support vaccine passports for entertainment venues?”

It’s as likely as the reverse.

418347 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #622 of 1944 🔗

BBC

Breaking News

Sale of and possession of pickled onions to be banned

A government spokesperson said “There are clear indications that the good old British old pickled onion has been hijacked and is being used by counter revolutionaries

There have been instances of pickled onions being worn on lapels

In addition, in recent days the security services have intercepted various messages written on the inside of pickled onions

We have clear evidence that these messages have contributed to the low vaccine take up

These Trump running dogs will be hunted down and fed to the pigs”

418364 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, #623 of 1944 🔗

So we may have to turn to chupatties after all!

418354 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #624 of 1944 🔗

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40227641.html

Scientists are apparently “confused” about how India is coming out of COVID19 ahead of the enlightened 1st world. Regime change in 3, 2, 1 ……….

418369 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #625 of 1944 🔗

Scientists are confused? Are they really?

Surely not biologists who are simply observing the pattern that all infectious diseases naturally follow.

418379 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #626 of 1944 🔗

They use a lot of HCQ, I believe. (Probably Ivermectin as well.)

418384 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #627 of 1944 🔗

I hear the based Hindus are gunning for Greta Dumbsperg too.
Go get her

418413 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #628 of 1944 🔗

*Eye roll* – Scientists has been nothing but confused since the start of this sorry saga. Re writing definitions, hiding evidence, forgetting all their training. At least they have been exposed for the idiots they are…

418603 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #629 of 1944 🔗

Confused is a scientists word for “why are they not worshipping the ground we walk on and believing everything we tell them”

418355 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 32, #630 of 1944 🔗

Boris Boris Boris Boris Boris for fucks sake Tobby Young call him what he really is a useless lying piece of shit..Bout time all this chummy Etonian butt fucking garbage stopped..

418367 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #631 of 1944 🔗

Too right I have been complaining about this for months…the only photo of Johnson I want to see is of him in his coffin. And stop calling the bastard ‘Boris’. Did people in the 1940s go around talking about ‘Adolf’?

418371 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Boris Bullshit, 11, #632 of 1944 🔗

Bang on my friend I shall go and piss on his grave no time for Traitors utter scum.

418375 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #633 of 1944 🔗

It’s not even the name his friends and family use for him according to Hitchens – they call him Alexander. Boris is a stage name designed to make him seem more cuddly.

418403 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, 11, #634 of 1944 🔗

His family usually refer to him as ‘cunty’

418419 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #635 of 1944 🔗

Yep: Bozo is perhaps the best term to use.

418503 ▶▶ mj, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #636 of 1944 🔗

just refer to him as Johnson. In the same way we refer to Lenin, Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, etc by surname only. Using any first name implies some affinity, closeness, commonality. So it makes no difference whether it is Boris or Alexander – that is just some faux nicety like calling Stalin “Uncle Joe” .
Of course nicknames like dickhead, arse etc are still acceptable

418724 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #637 of 1944 🔗

well, I can see where TY is coming from. It is horrifying to see someone who you previously thought of as a human being like yourself is in fact a monster, it must be very disorienting, it must make you doubt your whole perception of reality

418746 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #638 of 1944 🔗

Joris Bonson is what I usually call him.

419211 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to Two-Six, 1, #639 of 1944 🔗

As I said before, how about a vote on what to call him. Boris the _________. We can then call him by his newly given monicker – Bastard, Buffoon, Bollock are a few that spring to mind.

419589 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to cubby, 1, #640 of 1944 🔗

Liar Johnson: that’s how I always refer to him.

418365 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 39, #641 of 1944 🔗

Johnson probably never was a “fun-loving libertarian”. He’s a hedonist, which is why he appears such a hollowed-out amoralist now. Genial he may be; in moral courage he is sadly deficient.

Crimes against humanity have been perpetrated here: mass brainwashing of the populace, followed by a continuing campaign of misinformation and censorship, misdiagnosis and fraudulent data, and unnecessary deaths. The regime has joined in partnership with Bill Gates, a figure who, by his own admission, seeks depopulation through vaccination, and thinks euthanasia is saving medical resources.

The incarceration of innocent people in solitary confinement has now become more or less acceptable public policy. The subjection of children to gene modifying interventions is now contemplated, with no peep of protest from anyone in government. It is as if we have gone behind the curtain into a world where the morality and techniques of Nazism are still considered expedient or necessary

The perpetrators of these abuses had better keep exculpatory diaries, because if the truth regains primacy they will face jail. It is noteworthy that both the government and big pharma have secured immunity from prosecution. The Nuremburg Trials involved retrospective criminalisation. No one can be an unreserved fan of such a process, but does anyone want to argue that where such extreme acts have been committed, there is no legal/moral framework by which to try them?

418372 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bugle, 3, #642 of 1944 🔗

“Fun loving libertarian” is an odd phrase. There may be some correlation between the two qualities, but being fun loving is really not much of a pointer to being a libertarian. I am sure Stalin loved his fun. Equally I am something of a miseryguts personally, quite conservative in how I manage my own life, but generally feel people ought to be left in peace to get on with theirs as they see fit within obvious limits of them not harming me.

418441 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 6, #643 of 1944 🔗

I think poor old Toby Young is just having a big dose of the human experience that results from being conned and being wrong.

418443 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #644 of 1944 🔗

Maybe, but just seems like a rather loose use of language from someone who makes a living expressing themselves clearly

418486 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to RickH, 2, #645 of 1944 🔗

Fun loving is a euphemism for sexually incontinent.

418380 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bugle, 14, #646 of 1944 🔗

Johnson is a strange kind of evil. He has been found out as an empty vessel containing absolutely nothing whatsoever. A black hole.

I never thought nothing could be evil, but I have been proven wrong.

418388 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bugle, 14, #647 of 1944 🔗

Max Hastings had Johnson measured for a suit well before he became PM: “Utterly unfit for high office.”

418488 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #648 of 1944 🔗

…also “I wouldn’t trust Boris to tell me what day of the week it was.”

418793 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #649 of 1944 🔗

So did Simon Heffer…his old boss….he had nothing but contempt for the man.

418439 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 1, #650 of 1944 🔗

“…if the truth regains primacy they will face jail.”

Not – a – chance.

418509 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to RickH, 1, #651 of 1944 🔗

Hegel: systems eventually collapse under the weight of their own contradictions.

418718 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bugle, 1, #652 of 1944 🔗

are you sure they secured immunity from prosecution? that would be extraordinary, if true. my understanding was that they secured only civil indemnity: the government promised them that they would bear any claims brought by the vaccine-injured. I would be very surprised if they were given any indemnity from the criminal law, but then again, nothing would surprise me any more

418817 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to JaneHarry, #653 of 1944 🔗

I believe the gov’t is immune to prosecution for decisions relating to the emergency powers etc. Don’t recall where I read it. Big pharma is indemnified regarding vaccine injury and the gov’t will pay maximum £120,000 (?). Please feel free to correct.

419372 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bugle, #654 of 1944 🔗

OK, I think the indemnity granted to the ‘vaccine’ companies is clear. I have struggled to find information to back up my other claim re: gov’t immunity from prosecution but of interest is the link below. It suggests those responsible at ministerial level will do their best to resist legal liability for their errors in the NHS and care homes.

https://www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/coronavirus-legal-news-views/does-the-buck-stop-legal-liability-for-death-from-covid-19

Regarding conflicts with ECHR and human rights in general, the gov’t is likely to be able to argue that the Coronavirus Act or Civil Contingencies Act enable them to set aside articles of the Human Rights Act, in which case ministers are immune to prosecution.

For these reasons, if human rights are ever to regain their status as defences against state tyranny or tyranny of the majority, they would need to be reasserted in some shape or form which may amount to retrospective legislation. I am not a lawyer, and have no specialised legal knowledge.

418790 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bugle, 3, #655 of 1944 🔗

Fun loving libertarian my arse….this government is simply evil in so many ways. If I heard Johnson had been assassinated it would make my day….and that goes for many others too. Never did I think I would say such things.

418366 Les Tricoteuses, 2, #656 of 1944 🔗

New York
http://freedombeforefear.com/
gym owner standing up for his rights

418376 Banjones, 5, #657 of 1944 🔗

Ivermectin. A letter to Johnson at the beginning of January, and a Belgian virologist speaks out about its effectiveness.

https://www.healthrising.org/forums/threads/a-letter-to-mr-boris-johnson-from-uk-scientist-dr-tess-lawrie-calling-on-him-to-start-saving-lives-with-ivermectin.6481/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLL5FEpRtEA

(Mr Gill Bates is financing studies on it – though they’re probably being done in order to discredit it. Can’t have anything getting in the way of the jab, can we?)

418386 LoulouB, replying to LoulouB, 8, #658 of 1944 🔗

Time for some resistance perhaps? Time for us all to grow some and do ‘something’ …. before we are completely disempowered. Any ideas?

418393 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to LoulouB, 6, #659 of 1944 🔗

What more can people do? The coast was very busy yesterday, kids off school, been to garden centres etc all without a mask, can’t do much more to show resistance until the shops etc open up

418412 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DanClarke, 4, #660 of 1944 🔗

‘Mental health support groups’, ‘business meetings’, leaflets, posters, …

418795 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to DanClarke, #661 of 1944 🔗

Follow Bruce and get the covid marshalls’ cars on bricks maybe?

418396 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to LoulouB, 7, #662 of 1944 🔗

This site is being monitored by GCHQ and the intelligence services so be careful what you say

418406 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Cecil B, 2, #663 of 1944 🔗

Hmm, not sure about that need: actually we might be educating some of the ill-informed idiots there!

418408 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 11, #664 of 1944 🔗

Good. Perhaps they can ask themselves why they are assisting in the creation of a dystopia at the behest of a few American billionaires?

418410 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 16, #665 of 1944 🔗

Good, in which case I would like to pass on this message to our enemies in the intelligence services:

If you succeed in defeating all opposition to the state, you and everyone you have ever known will face decades of interminable torment as a result of your catastrophic errors of judgement. The excruciating agonies that await you and your descendants are unfathomable.

418414 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Cecil B, 2, #666 of 1944 🔗

CB . that is v true.

418422 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Cecil B, 2, #667 of 1944 🔗

So it’s best to do nothing? Ugh …

418731 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, #668 of 1944 🔗

The GCHQ Doughnut looks like an anus from space.
Stick that in your Oxbridge intelligence pipe and smoke it!

418409 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to LoulouB, 11, #669 of 1944 🔗

Someone put a massive “End the Lockdown” banner on the Humber Bridge recently !

418431 ▶▶ nowhereman, replying to LoulouB, 2, #670 of 1944 🔗

Someone on here yesterday suggested a General Strike…

418438 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to nowhereman, 3, #671 of 1944 🔗

By 10% of the population? Great idea!

418637 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to RickH, #672 of 1944 🔗

Indeed

418389 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 3, #673 of 1944 🔗

Should the headline be ‘Boris has his goalposts changed once again’. Still don’t think Johnson is a willing participant in the house arrest bit, but going along, possibly coerced and weak. The propaganda bots out in force re the enforced quarantine for a virus that hardly affects anyone even after testing positive.

418418 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to DanClarke, 2, #674 of 1944 🔗

Going along who?

418437 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 4, #675 of 1944 🔗

Johnson signed up for a job. The fact that it was that of a bus driver, and he can’t drive is down to him.

418712 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to DanClarke, 1, #676 of 1944 🔗

Not willing? He is enjoying it! Weak? Yes, for sure, and stupid as well.

418394 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 17, #677 of 1944 🔗

Letter in today’s Daily Telegraph

SIR – On our daily walk, I remarked to my wife that a sad aspect of our current existence was that I had become used to the closure of pubs, restaurants and “non-essential” shops.

Back home, I read this in The Sunday Telegraph: “A senior government source confirmed that from March 8 people in England would be allowed to drink coffee on a park bench, or have a picnic with anyone from their own household.” What on earth has become of us in one short year?

Ron Thomas
Stroud, Gloucestershire

418401 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #678 of 1944 🔗

But, these things are already happening, the Westminster Bubble know nothing

418435 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DanClarke, 5, #679 of 1944 🔗

Indeed and they don’t have the guts to go out and meet the consituents whose lives they are casually destroying.

418555 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to DanClarke, #680 of 1944 🔗

Exactly. As I posted above, benches and picnic tables were being used in my local park yesterday.

418634 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #682 of 1944 🔗

Surprising? Not really – isn’t Rishi married into that particular dynasty? Correct me if I am wrong and it is a different family of pond life

418404 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 19, #683 of 1944 🔗

When locking to see the effectiveness of lockdowns, antisocial distancing and muzzles, one should look to India. Watchign teh cricket this morning, life pretty much appears to be back to normal, relatives in India say the same. Look at the reported daily deaths and again iit puts Europe and particular the UK to shame. So all those arguments against Sweden can’t put on India. Massive population, people who ignore rules. So my only conclusion let the virus do it’s thing and also treat those with Ivermectin, HCQ for those who get ill.

418421 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Andrew K, 5, #684 of 1944 🔗

Apparently same in Finland. If this carries on, i can see many people from the UK wanting to emigrate. But where…

418444 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andrew K, 15, #685 of 1944 🔗

I think there are a number of issues

1 – India has a younger population and they don’t live to such old age

2 – we test like crazy and half people that die go down as covid

3 – lockdowns are killing people and we put it down as covid

the best course of action is just to ignore the virus – it won’t be the first time in history that people have caused major problems by trying to solve minor ones

418454 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 3, #686 of 1944 🔗

India has a median age around 30, but in terms of sheer absolute numbers many more older people.

There are also many more people with various underlying conditions, including diabetes and tuberculosis.

THe health system has far fewer resources per person than ours.

418460 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 1, #687 of 1944 🔗

I agree. But I think that in terms of population rate we have far more vulnerable people. We have many many in care homes whose life has been extended by various interventions including flu jabs. They would have died years ago in India – its the heat. You can see heat wave deaths in Europe clearly in the stats. In India they have far higher temperatures and little AC.

418479 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to steve_w, 1, #688 of 1944 🔗

I dpn’t agree. I think India has many more vulnerable people – at least tens of millions with chronic diseases which don’t kill them, but just make their lives miserable – like tuberculosis.

There’s a wikipedia article on ‘diabetes in India’, according to which 77 million suffer from the disease in India.

Covid is a first world problem.

418458 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to steve_w, 6, #689 of 1944 🔗

My inlaws (in their 70’s) all had the covid symptoms at the same time as everybody else in their apartment block (many all above 70), all had previously loaded up with Ivermectin (Readily available), everybody rode it out, took a few doses of Ivermectin, with some other drugs that came on the same packet. None needed hospital treatment.

418721 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to steve_w, #690 of 1944 🔗

They dispense and use Ivermectin like crazy.

418464 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Andrew K, #691 of 1944 🔗

The ground was only at 1/3 capacity, which was supposed to be some king of covid measure(?) Can’t see what the point of that was, though, given that the fans who were there weren’t exactly spread out. Yes, delightful to watch (but not the cricket though – ouch!).

418473 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mattghg, #692 of 1944 🔗

Yeah that pitch was all about winning the toss. Most of those balls were unplayable. Yes all the crowd huddled together under shade.

418415 leggy, replying to leggy, 12, #693 of 1944 🔗

Oh look, another new “jab resistant” variant.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9265045/UK-spots-33-cases-Covid-variant.html#article-9265045

This is all so tediously predictable. More excuses for regular boosters to be registered on your digital ID.

On another note, good update today from Toby. Glad to see a spotlight shined on Gibraltar as well as Lord Sumption’s stark warning.

418434 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to leggy, 6, #694 of 1944 🔗

33 cases, that bloody number again.

418436 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to leggy, 4, #695 of 1944 🔗

That number 33 again…

418723 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, #696 of 1944 🔗
418591 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to leggy, 2, #697 of 1944 🔗

Kent strain, which is up to 70 per cent more infectious and deadlier”

Says another of Prof Ferguson’s crap models but utterly unproven empirically as usual.

418621 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #698 of 1944 🔗

Otherwise known as Dinghy Fever

418420 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #699 of 1944 🔗

Nothing to do with covid but this tickled me, from the BBC tennis feed:

Djokovic saves the second set point with a brilliant serve out wide, the return is food and drink for him and he dispatches the forehand. 6-6.

Food and drink for him would mean he’s having a snack. I think the phrase is “ meat and drink TO him”. It’s sort of an illiterate, vegetarian version. Not even the English language is safe from the BBC.

419804 ▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Julian, #700 of 1944 🔗

‘Meat’, until relatively recently, meant food in general, and not specifically the flesh of animals. But I wouldn’t expect a BBC minion to know that.

418423 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #701 of 1944 🔗

John Lee’s latest interview on Unheard is worth a watch, for all the usual reasons :

Dr John Lee interviewed on UnLocked by Laura Dodsworth

… but also as an exemplar of how not to rant in putting over the realist case. His logical demolition of the government narrative is far more effective than a sequence of curses.

418446 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to RickH, 1, #702 of 1944 🔗

There is a place for cursing, though. In fact, anyone at a loose end could cash in selling wax dolls on Etsy.

418506 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, #703 of 1944 🔗

There is a place. I do enough of it myself.

But, in the end, it’s pointless and repetitive self-indulgence and achieves nothing in any wider sense.

418424 davews, replying to davews, 4, #704 of 1944 🔗

Just back from the dentist (private), today for them to make impressions for the dentures I now need to replace the teeth that fell out during lockdown. She was rather surprised that when I told her my brother has not been able to get any NHS dental appointments for a year. All dentists should now be offering routine work, NHS or private. Mind you I was a little surprised that they were doing dentures which are far from an emergency thing but apart from covid distancing measures in reception they at least seem to be more or less normal. And they are now well used to my lanyard.

On the way I see the big boards that tell you how many places there are in the town centre carparks now just tell you to stay at home. A single sign told me the actual number of spaces, over a thousand! So much for a town centre at the busiest time of the day!

418471 ▶▶ alw, replying to davews, 5, #705 of 1944 🔗

Dentistry is now unfortunately for those who can afford.

418554 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to alw, 2, #706 of 1944 🔗

As will all healthcare.

418556 ▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 2, #707 of 1944 🔗

And travel

418852 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to alw, #708 of 1944 🔗

Correct. Covid will accelerate the long ongoing decline of NHS dentistry into a toothache ‘n’ plyers service- and you’ll be told that it’s the greedy dentists’ fault.

418425 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #709 of 1944 🔗
418527 ▶▶ Mark, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #710 of 1944 🔗

US thugs in uniform enforcing Prohibition? No, just British police cracking down on people harmlessly enjoying themselves.

The longer lockdown prohibition goes on, the more actual criminals will set up ways to profit from breaking it. And the net result, just as with Prohibition, will be a huge injection of money into organised crime.

Well done Johnson, Gove, Hancock, Starmer, Corbyn and all the rest of the lockdown makers, enablers and apologists.

418923 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FedupofLies, #711 of 1944 🔗

Should have designated themselves as a Mosque
Quite fancy a Trudeau style Arabian nights party
blackface optional

418426 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 10, #712 of 1944 🔗

“Hard to believe this is the fun-loving libertarian I voted for.”

Fun loving libertarian … haha! Old school egoist is more like it, before and now!

418442 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to norwegian, 5, #713 of 1944 🔗

In any image I see of him he looks like a dirty old pervert who probably has a hand down his trousers even as the picture is taken. Heroic and admirable he ain’t. Churchill rarely looked like he was rubbing one out live on camera.

Still, even that may be a better look than Hancock’s Idi Amin impression a few days ago.

419807 ▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Ovis, #714 of 1944 🔗

Unfortunately, the only thing Churchill rubbed out was the cream of the European people.

418445 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to norwegian, 3, #715 of 1944 🔗

I know. There is so much bullshit in this statement I nearly threw up from the stench. Gag on that brexiteers.

418427 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 13, #716 of 1944 🔗

So, according to that Business Standard article link, one fifth of humanity – India – will be spared the prick! If it’s not good enough for India – whose experts note the serious side effects and lack of local testing – how on this earth can it get a pass (emergency use, waiver from legal repercussions) here?

418432 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TyRade, 10, #717 of 1944 🔗

Yes – India might have its own problems, but the inability to link basic science to policy obviously isn’t one it shares with the UK.

418450 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to TyRade, 6, #718 of 1944 🔗

My colleagues in India went to a water park at the weekend. They had a great time.

418502 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #719 of 1944 🔗

Get them to post video’s of them having fun, with a title, no lockdown, no antisocial distancing and no muzzles. Also say we’re not dropping dead unlike the old in the UK. (According to MSM that is)

418440 smithey, replying to smithey, 14, #720 of 1944 🔗

Morning All. I travelled to the future last night to visit my future self in Britain in 2026. The below is my account of what the future is like:-

The day starts at 7AM when the telescreen in the corner of the room announces; “all hail Johnson, World King and glorious leader of Gulag Britain”. BoJo himself then appears on the screen and is his upbeat cheery self. “Well folks”, he proclaims, “it is another glorious day here in Britain and I am pleased to report that we are all still working hard to beat Covid”. After Johnson’s update the Health Secretary Matt Hancock comes on to introduce the daily exercise session lead by Jo Wicks. This is all part of the drive to reduce obesity, introduced by the Great Johnson in a bid to improve the nation’s fitness and health and reduce the Covid death rate. After this the day’s jabs are delivered and administered by one of Bill Gates’ drones. It is then time for my meat free carbon neutral climate friendly Gates approved breakfast of synthetic foods.

At 9am I move to the work station in the corner of my apartment ready for the internet to be switched on to allow me to work. I spend the day working from home as I have done everyday for the last 5 years. I mange to get all my work done by 5:30pm at which point the internet is switched off to reduce energy consumption and stop global warming. I have a meat free burger for dinner then put on my Virtual Reality goggles for some entertainment before I go to bed. This evening I chose to visit a pub with some friends. The VR was so good that it felt like a real visit to the pub did in the Pre Covid days.

I asked my future self how it was that we ended up in this position. He explained that around the end of 2021 just after the UK government had finished vaccinating the entire population a terrifying new strain of Covid 19 was discovered which turned out to be resistant to the vaccines. To prevent the spread the government decided that they would have to significantly increase lockdown restrictions and put the entire UK population in solitary confinement just for 3 weeks to stop the spread. It was therefore announced that people would be banned from leaving their homes for any reason at all and that they must be isolated from any form of human contact. This was easy enough to implement for people who live alone but families and couples who live together proved more problematic. The government therefore asked that families and couples choose one person who will remain in the family home while the rest of the family members were moved out to the newly created quarantine apartments. The apartments are in converted buildings in town and city centres which were previously used as shops, restaurants, pubs bars, clubs and offices. As was to be expected there was some grumbling about this from those crazy sceptics but the vast majority of people simply said things along the lines of, oh well mustn’t grumble, it’s for our own good and we will just have to get on with it to beat Covid.

With the successful implementation of national solitary confinement Sir Kier Starmer, leader of her majesty’s opposition, attacked the glorious leader Johnson in parliament saying that this was not implemented soon enough and that he should have announced national solitary at the start of 2020. He also accused him of doing too little too late and said that the solitary confinement needed to be harsher, with the doors and windows of people’s homes and apartments welded shut, just like in they did in good old China and that anybody seen outside should be immediately shot dead on the spot. Johnson happily obliged.

With the entire population locked up and isolated from each other Johnson then had an epiphany. He realised that now was the time to begin the great reset and implement his crackpot green agenda with immediate affect. As such the UK’s gas supply was turned off, electricity rationed and every private car was confiscated and crushed. I suspect many people were not happy but this but as they were sealed in their solitary apartments there was nothing they could do to stop this.

Johnson’s green polices combined with the lockdown resulted in the unemployment rate shooting up to 70%. However, the Johnson regime had a cunning plan to resolve this. As everyone was locked up on their own they had no opportunities to go out or spend any money. As such it was decided that the 30% of the population still working would give up everything they earned to the state. This would then be used to produce and distribute by drone meat free environmentally friendly food to the entire captive population. Every member of the population was issued with Virtual Reality Goggles and so those who do not work can occupy themselves however they see fi during the day. These things are so good that they stop any sort of by keeping people entertained. As an added bonus with travel no longer necessary there is no longer the need to produce any sort of vehicle.

418465 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to smithey, 7, #721 of 1944 🔗

You forgot to mention the physical elimination of all those who refused the vaccine. 7 million people disappeared at the end of 2021.

418475 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to smithey, 5, #722 of 1944 🔗

Hail Babylon Johnson! Hail Moloch Hancock!

418505 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to GrannySlayer, 1, #723 of 1944 🔗

Gates of Baal showed up in trafalger square not long ago. 3D printed model of the gates of Palymra, that had just been destroyed. There was an odd little ceremony that I think johnson attended and claimed these were not what people thought they were.

Huge expense for the weirdest publicity stunt – the psy-op of that failed the whole episode brushed under the carpet.

Something other happened back then.

418715 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, #724 of 1944 🔗

They literally signalled that they were going to open the Gates Of Hell.

418497 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to smithey, 3, #725 of 1944 🔗

I’m not sure if this was a dream or whether you are an actual time traveller. If the latter, then I urge you to set your machine to ensure that you can only go backwards in time, to a point of your choosing. Going forwards is not an attractive option. Good luck.

418451 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 5, #726 of 1944 🔗

Another reason for empty vessel johnson to lock us down for eternity. 33. 33. 33
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9265045/UK-spots-33-cases-Covid-variant.html#reader-comments

418469 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to nickbowes, 12, #727 of 1944 🔗

And there’s that magic number again….33! Along with how many red listed countries? Oh, that’s right, 33!

418825 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 1, #728 of 1944 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-new-plans-to-help-build-trust-in-use-of-digital-identities

Economists have estimated the cost of manual offline identity proofing could be as high as £ 3 . 3 billion per year.

418453 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 39, #729 of 1944 🔗

I really hope I just made one customer think:

Customer: “When do you think we will get back to normal?” (not sure why she asked me, who am I, mystic bloody kh …). Anyway …

Mystic kh: “We’re never going back to normal, it’s gone”

Customer “Oh …”

‘Oh’, indeed.

418467 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to kh1485, 14, #730 of 1944 🔗

People get what they deserve. No uprising = slavery for ever!

418455 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 23, #731 of 1944 🔗

Just wanted to say I read an earlier discussion thread on here which I thought was excellent and really rather put to shame the ATL analysis. If I can summarise the thread:

1.If this was all about saving lives and the virus, there would be tremendous focus on cheap, easily available treatments that could save lives in huge numbers.

2.UK, US and European governments generally have shown precious little interest in cheap and effective treatments. This was particularly the case during the Trump era.

3.There are cheap and effective treaments e.g. Vit D supplementation, Ivermectin, asthma treatment protocols, and – one might add – obesity reduction.

4.The MSM, rather than focussing on Governments’ failures to deploy these cheap treatments, have chosen to ignore the subject or condemn some of the treatments as “fake”.

5.Big Tech social media have sought to censor discussion of cheap and effective treatments or label the science as “fake” – even though there are now hundreds of scientific papers supporting their use.

6.Big Pharma has shown absolutely no interest in producing these products because they are unpatented and cheap. Instead, all their focus has been on mass vaccination.

So we are left with the question of what, if it isn’t about saving lives, is this all about?

There are of course a number of theories about that. Personally I think it is largely about the big power conflicts in the world: China v USA and globalism v populism in particular. I think if you look back over history it is more often than not the big power clashes that have driven events.

418529 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to OKUK, 3, #732 of 1944 🔗

yes, the contributors are on firetoday

418457 danny, replying to danny, 16, #733 of 1944 🔗

And wouldn’t you know it, just when Boris really really, honestly wanted to let us all free, a new (Nigerian) strain arrives. What timing!

418461 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to danny, 5, #734 of 1944 🔗

Wait for the super terrible Russian strains …

418470 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to danny, 10, #735 of 1944 🔗

I don’t have the internet at home atm so I am completely oblivious to what is going on after I leave work.

This morning, the friend I run the business with said “Guess what?” I replied “There’s a new variant …?”

418525 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, 5, #737 of 1944 🔗

oh, they can take their ‘new strains” and shove them where the sun don’t shine. really, how can there be anyone left still falling for this absolute bollocks

418462 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 4, #738 of 1944 🔗

Quickly looking at first posts today , they are all SPOT ON !! You Guys are getting good at this , if only this take on everything would Quash the Ever reaching arm of the few megalomaniacs ,who it looks like are getting closer to getting us sheep in the pen 🤯

418520 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #739 of 1944 🔗

OR overplaying their hand

418540 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to Freddy Boy, 4, #740 of 1944 🔗

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
None but ourselves can free our minds” – Bob

418463 Cabar Feidh, replying to Cabar Feidh, 45, #741 of 1944 🔗

Good morning everyone.This is my first post on here, I have been following LS for quite some time, and I want to thank you for the wisdom and determination that is shared on a daily basis. It is nice to know that you’re not alone. This morning I woke up feeling angry, so angry that I was physically shaking. I hope that this is a ‘righteous’ anger which comes from seeing and hearing of the human cost of LD: small businesses ruined, children’s and young peoples’ education decimated, mental health issues ever increasing, the effect on family and national wellbeing, the list goes on. I am overcome at times by the question, ‘How dare they?!’ as I think of all the ruin caused not just now, but a legacy that will endure for innumerable years, and now all these aspirations to curb our freedom even more. I have three young daughters and all I wanted for them was to be able to enjoy life as I and my wife have been so privileged to do, a life lived in freedom. In my dark moments, it is my faith that really keeps my head above the waves, and I trust that those who seek to do evil in our time will have to give an account for their actions. Sincere best wishes to you all and thank you for creating this means of mutual support and encouragement.

418519 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cabar Feidh, 6, #742 of 1944 🔗

welcome to the resistance! the fight for your children’s future, or at the very least your protest at its destruction. there is nothing more to think about right now.

418532 ▶▶▶ Cabar Feidh, replying to JaneHarry, #743 of 1944 🔗

Thank you!

418528 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Cabar Feidh, 2, #744 of 1944 🔗

Welcome Cabar,
I only recently started commenting here myself when it all just became too much and I needed to let off some steam with some like minded folks.

418531 ▶▶▶ Cabar Feidh, replying to Katabasis, 1, #745 of 1944 🔗

Thank you!

418864 ▶▶ danny, replying to Cabar Feidh, 3, #746 of 1944 🔗

Welcome to you.
I love the fact that whatever your political leanings, (I myself am a left wing remainer, or used to be those things when we had the luxury of democracy), this site feels like a genuine group of friends, as in the face of lockdowns, nothing else matters as much as simply ending it.
Bringing families back, schools back, businesses back, and lives back.
I long for the day when I can have a healthy political disagreement with somebody again, but we must now all unify.

419768 ▶▶▶ Cabar Feidh, replying to danny, #747 of 1944 🔗

Thank you!

418468 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 36, #748 of 1944 🔗

A twitter response just now to the “talks a good talk” MP, Steve Baker.

“I don’t really understand the purpose of your tweets. Your government has wilfully destroyed millions of jobs and livelihoods. Johnson is your leader, your man. He’s destroyed civil liberties. He’s a globalist shill, enamoured with Gates and the WEF. Do something tangible, Steve”

418478 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 7, #749 of 1944 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. I doubt whether the CRG have the moral courage for anything other than spouting a few meaningless platitudes.

418489 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to kh1485, 4, #750 of 1944 🔗

They are a distraction.

418476 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #751 of 1944 🔗

See the control structures? The high priests have you just where they want you.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Bobby_Network/status/1360740570411524101

GSAID and NextStrain gatekeepers to the variant narrative and the same characters and organisations, with routes to CCP of course, all in play.

This is your prison. To live in fear, under watchful protection until the vaccine to rule all vaccines is available.

I can only conclude the goal here is to end all natural death, and we will have some kind of euthanasia scheme for when people exhaust their usefulness.

418508 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #752 of 1944 🔗

we HAVE exhausted our usefulness, and this IS the euthanasia scheme

418511 ▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #753 of 1944 🔗

Very disappointing to see this site using government propaganda to say vaccines are a route out of lockdown. This site is far too close to advertising the actions of government to those who avoid the news now, when it should be holding them to account and using the platform to highlight skeptics.

418484 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, #754 of 1944 🔗

This was in my local paper by the “UK trending editor.”

Headline-UK risks ‘substantial wave’ of Covid-19 if lockdown is lifted too early’The Government have been warned against lifting lockdown restrictions too early with one scientific advisor saying they risk a ‘substantial wave’ in the UK.
Professor Steven Riley, a member of the Spi-M modelling group, said that while the rollout of the vaccine programme has been “incredibly successful”, it does not mean that safety measures and restrictions can simply be dropped….’

with this picture. We continue to have talk of ‘waves’ with no room for seasonality.

No comments were possible. The SPI-M (Scientific pandemic influenza modelling group) modelling group admits that the data can admit different interpretations. But what comes out of SAGE is more confifdent-although often with caveats, until it emerges as certain from ministers. I will be writing to my MP to see what he has to say about an undergraduate spotting a serious and perhaps fatal flaw in Imperial’s modelling.

418495 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to frankfrankly, #755 of 1944 🔗

Why not email SPI M first. Ask:

“Does your model incorporate seasonality?”

“what IFR rate does your model assume?”

“What level of population susceptibility do you assume”

Ask these directly in relation to their headline number of deaths, 150,000 or whatever it was. What are these direct assumptions?

418517 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #756 of 1944 🔗

Staggering really when Imperial and Ferguson were discredited over Foot and Mouth, BSE, Swine Flu and God knows what else that the authorities still give ‘models’ the light of day. Or is it? More likely it’s a deliberately bad and deceitful road map in order to steer us to a destination of their own choosing.

419039 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to HoMojo, #757 of 1944 🔗

The second one. Seconded.

418573 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #758 of 1944 🔗

I don’t see a contact possibility indep. of the Dept. of Health. On the Imp College modelling page there is this amusing beginning at https://www.imperial.ac.uk/stories/coronavirus-modelling/

Many people struggle to properly grasp probabilities, risk and concepts like exponential growth, based on intuition alone. We underestimate the likelihood of outlier events – sometimes dubbed ‘Black Swans’ – and we’re constantly subject to confirmation biases. It’s not all our fault. Our brains and senses likely evolved for what Richard Dawkins coined a ‘Middle World’ between the microscopic realm of atoms and germs and the cosmic scale of planets and stars.
With the tools of modern science, we’ve found ways to answer questions about the world. Yet there’s always uncertainty.

During the novel coronavirus pandemic, scientists have tried to understand the behaviour of the tiny virus particles as well as their effects on very large numbers of human hosts, attempting to bridge these two worlds coherently. But ‘the science’ isn’t a singular entity: it’s highly collaborative, consensus based – and yes, subject to uncertainty…….
-all without a trace of irony.

418490 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #759 of 1944 🔗

EdinburghLive – Covid Scotland: First people to enter Edinburgh quarantine hotel leave after one day
The American man and his daughter were told they had been placed in the quarantine hotel in error, and would be allowed to isolate at home

Chun Wong arrived in the capital yesterday morning with his young daughter Kiernan and was taken to the Doubletree Hilton in Edinburgh which is being used as the capital’s quarantine venue.

But Mr. Wong revealed to the BBC that they have been told they can leave after just a day because there has actually been a mistake.

Because the father and daughter flew from America, before boarding a connecting flight from Dublin to Edinburgh, they’re actually exempt from having to remain in a hotel for ten days.

The Hilton would be a multinational hotel of considerable expense. This is a telling choice of operation. Some strange rooms in there I am told without feng or Shui.

418500 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Basics, 1, #760 of 1944 🔗

“The Hilton would be a multinational hotel of considerable expense.”

That’s what this is all about, more money to the rich!

418514 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to norwegian, #761 of 1944 🔗

Do you think?

418492 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 25, #762 of 1944 🔗

With Johnson’s latest announcements it would seem bleeding obvious to anyone but the wilfully blind that this ‘experiment’ is going to go on until we kick back big time. Surely people cannot any longer believe this is about a virus when nutcases like Azra Ghani (above) are forecasting ‘a significant wave of deaths by summer 2021 if restrictions are eased in July’. Eh? What? Summer is July. July is mid-summer! So apart from the pure idiocy of Imperial College pushing out models with the kind of desperation associated with Tommy Cooper performing a magic trick if anyone still has doubts about the medical establishment(s ) – and that includes the bulshit ‘modellers’ – and their agendas they should watch this: https://www.positivelyfalse.org/ This has been going on for bloody decades. They have tried time and time again. Ivor Cummins suggested that they had a big push over Swine Flu and it came to nowt. This time they have pushed the boat out big time and even further and realised most people will buy this crap. Ferguson has even suggested they had doubts that they ‘could get away with it.’ Pure and utter mendacity. Watch Positively False. if you tend to live an honest life it’s quite staggering when you come across people who lie for power and control. A year ago even I, who was never prone to dismiss a good conspiracy out of hand, thought ‘Plandemic’ was a bit much. Not anymore. How come we let the psychopaths run the world?

418667 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to HoMojo, #763 of 1944 🔗

How can we have a huge wave of deaths “by summer” (i.e. before summer arrives) if restrictions aren’t released until mid-summer (July)?

418697 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to HoMojo, 1, #764 of 1944 🔗

Systematic behavioural modification, applied behavioural psychology.
BRAINWASHING
That’s how.

418702 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to HoMojo, #765 of 1944 🔗

“Ferguson has even suggested they had doubts that they ‘could get away with it.” They have seen it working and will not let it go. Not until all free people are chained with digital IDs!

418499 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #766 of 1944 🔗
418507 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #767 of 1944 🔗

When the public take governmental shite like this all is bloody lost …

418521 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #768 of 1944 🔗

Norway has done it’s best to mimic the UK etc but we’re nowhere near your level of insanity … cmon, put down your feet!

418812 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to norwegian, #769 of 1944 🔗

Something something Anders Breivik.

418545 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, #770 of 1944 🔗

So arse-parking was illegal? Who knew?

418510 The Covid Kid, 7, #771 of 1944 🔗

Sieg Heil!

418516 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 12, #772 of 1944 🔗

Enjoy Lord Sumption’s lectures but can’t ignore this.

Isn’t it ‘Liberal Democracy’ that has gotten us here in the first place?

Isn’t it Liberal Democracy that has been in place destroying the nation state for the last 50 years providing a conservative party that conserves nothing and a Labour party that hates its demographic?

Isn’t it Liberal Democracy in the form of neo-liberalism that provided first Blair who set in train the forces that are now destroying our own country then Cameron and the folly of Libya? Are we to call it something else now because we the reality of what has been happening is all too real for us now its happening at home?

It was Liberal Democracy that was in charge when we were destroying Iraq, Libya and the Middle East in bed with the American’s? We had no problem then (accepting the million who marched against war) but now those same forces are coming for us we don’t like to admit what we are seeing and what we as a country have been responsible for and really have allowed to become.

Now we are seeing the reality of neo-liberalism up close we want to waste time on labels and want to call it totalitarianism or fascism / communism as if that absolves liberalism that has been responsible.

It has been our treasured Liberal Democracy (like rNHS) that has been driving all this but then there was no such compunction to face that. When these forces were destroying the middle east and beyond we quietly got on with things but now we see the reality here we want to argue semantics.

As a result we may have left it too late to wake up.

418518 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #773 of 1944 🔗

“Isn’t it ‘Liberal Democracy’ that has gotten us here in the first place?”

It is.

418523 ▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to norwegian, 1, #774 of 1944 🔗

It’s become “The Ship of Fools”.

418535 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #776 of 1944 🔗

Isn’t it Liberal Democracy that has been in place destroying the nation state for the last 50 years providing a conservative party that conserves nothing and a Labour party that hates its demographic?

Indeed, but the advantage of liberal democracy is that, in theory at least, it allows a mechanism for these costly errors to be undone.

It is, probably, the worst form of governance apart from all the others.

And it is at its best when constitutionally limited in what can be done by the mob. Though precisely what those limits should be is in itself a contentious and complex question.

418537 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #777 of 1944 🔗

No I don’t think you are describing classical liberal democracy. You are describing PC ideology, a form of leftist ideology that places far more emphasis on identity politics than class and far more emphasis on capturing the media than capturing factories. PC ideology is resolutely globalist, which is why it has been able to hook up so easily with the globalist billionaires. PC ideology really grew out of the American University system, with Berkeley in California as its epicentre.

PC ideology has always been censorious and opposed to free speech, universal civil rights for all individuals, nationalism, populism and biological realities.

PC ideologues have gradually taken over the mainstream media, public services, and now even commercical firms (who can forget Yorkshire Tea’s pronouncement that it didn’t wish to sell its tea to people who opposed the violent, Far Left BLM movement?).

The USA has fallen to PC ideology, with the aid of CCP China. It’s just no one’s noticed yet. It may take 20 years for the ideologues to crush the first and second amendment rights, but they will.

418643 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to OKUK, 2, #778 of 1944 🔗

I agree with some of your points especially regarding the 1st and 2nd amendments and some of what you say regarding the propagation of PC ideology but the Frankfurt school and Gramsci were the initial constructors of this ideology under the guise of cultural marxism. This was taken up Alinsky in the US utilised and spread by acolytes such as the Clinton’s among others.

Interesting that all the roots of this ideology also share a common heritage.

418541 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #779 of 1944 🔗

A lot of truth in what you say.

In democracy parties compete to bribe the electorate with their own money.

Because people want lots of goodies but don’t want to pay for them with taxes, or at least not with their own taxes, governments take on more and more debt to pay for those goodies. Eventualy interest rates are at zero, because the system can’t take any more, and the money is printed – for a while.

Eventually a government has to introduce a State of Emergency in order to try and deal with the impending fallout.

Where we are now.

Which incidentally is why covid is a first world problem.

418683 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to rockoman, 1, #780 of 1944 🔗

I agree that that is where we are now although don’t necessarily share the analysis of how we got here. You cannot blame the people for being robbed by the hucksters.

The whole usury based system was defined and created by private banks and their puppets in govt. Once the debt system was created that would only ever result in the words of Jefferson ” people … waking up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

The same for this country. The formation of a debt based system was designed to enslave and rob the people because the initial debt can never be recovered. Yes some trinkets etc may befall the people once in a while but that is all at the behest of the slave masters.

Its a similar situation to now. You can make the same argument for the people going along with furlough etc not rebelling against the totalitarianism because of the govt’s ‘benevolence’ but we must be under no illusion that the reality of this situation is that those people are being enslaved into a situation where the govt will coerce them into vaccinations and beyond.

Its the very act of bribery of the people with their own money that will result in the imposition of this slave based technocracy. The people will have paid for their own enslavement.

418542 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #781 of 1944 🔗

Isn’t it ‘Liberal Democracy’ that has gotten us here in the first place?”

Simple answer : No.

As, Sumption highlights, it’s the fantasies about it that hide the old, old power structures, and the lack of real, embedded constitutional protection that is the problem.

… and a historical correction : the tilt to neoliberal domination (and the elevation of global capital) began decisively with Thatcher. Blair was the continuity candidate.

419069 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to RickH, #782 of 1944 🔗

IMO, it started with Heath, especially signing the Country into the EU, without first giving people a say, only afterwards offering a retrospective vote, where the game was rigged in favour of remain. Add to that, decimation by decimilasation of currency. Thatcher was just the next torch-barer.

418547 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #783 of 1944 🔗

Our freedom was an illusion. Frank Zappa summed it up beautifully:

The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.

418562 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard O, 3, #784 of 1944 🔗

No, it wasn’t an illusion. As should be apparent to anybody by comparing life under lockdown with life before lockdown.

418786 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 1, #785 of 1944 🔗

Even in countries under foreign occupation I’m sure you could still see your parents or get your hair cut.This is the most oppressive government in our history.

419288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jonathan Palmer, #786 of 1944 🔗

You could go for a beer outside curfew hours in WW2, drink coffee or more likely an ersatz substitute, meet other people. You did have your papers checked by police, a lot of people had fake IDs.

418610 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #787 of 1944 🔗

No.

It’s illiberal ideas and illiberal actions that have put us in this position.

418533 concrete68, replying to concrete68, #788 of 1944 🔗

Is it an age thing but people on here are obsessed with Blair like I was in my youth with Mrs Thatcher? Just ignore him.

418551 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to concrete68, 14, #789 of 1944 🔗

It’s hard to ignore him when I feel an urge to avenge Dr David Kelly and about a million Iraqis every time I see him.

418561 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to concrete68, 5, #790 of 1944 🔗

Thatcher didn’t keep coming back into the public eye and start trying to interfere.

418633 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to concrete68, 4, #791 of 1944 🔗

Lockdown must be hard on Blair as he is not allowed out to go cottaging as per normal

418675 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #792 of 1944 🔗

🙂

419816 ▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Crystal Decanter, #793 of 1944 🔗

He probably has the chicken delivered to his flat.

418539 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #794 of 1944 🔗

The Chinese secret of creating LinkedIn spies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMRS0PtCd_Y&list=WL&index=30
China is using the biggest professional platform LinkedIn to recruit spies in the UK. Watch to know more

418586 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #795 of 1944 🔗

Does it mention a pay scale?

418543 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 7, #796 of 1944 🔗

Their plan is to extend the lockdown for as long as possible the have maybe have 4 months of freedom of movement (uk only) then back into lockdown in October

418592 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Silver cat, 4, #797 of 1944 🔗

Nowhere will get below Tier 2 during the summer, and that’s being wildly optimistic.

418625 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Silver cat, 3, #798 of 1944 🔗

If the local elections give the conservatives good results, my worry is they will use this as a mandate to reintroduce whatever further measures whenever they want.

419282 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cumbriacracked, #799 of 1944 🔗

If they allow the elections, I do not expect them to do well.

418544 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #800 of 1944 🔗

This is the way the vaccine hesitant will be blackmailed. Look at Israel which may be heading for a show-down:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-if-final-570000-over-50-get-vaccinated-well-be-done-with-covid/

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that 570,000 people over 50 who have not yet vaccinated will decide whether the current lockdown will be Israel’s last.
“I call on all of those 570,000 people over the age of 50 who have not yet been vaccinated: Go and get vaccinated! Not just for your health but for all of our health,” Netanyahu said in a rare Channel 12 interview.
“Our victory over the pandemic depends on you,” he said…………
He said the “green passport” framework that was approved will allow vaccinated Israelis to go to the movies, attend sports matches, and eventually restaurants and flights abroad.
“Those who don’t vaccinate won’t be able to,” he said.

418571 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 16, #801 of 1944 🔗

They’ll have to do better than threatening me with not being able to travel or go to movies, sport or restaurants. These are very feeble carrots indeed that have long since lost all their value and appeal.

Send a fucking SWAT team to my flats, now we’re cooking with gas.

418587 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Richard O, 6, #802 of 1944 🔗

Sure – I think the bigger point is that the unvaccinated will be blamed for extended lockdowns – and that will get quite ugly.

418649 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to godowneasy, #803 of 1944 🔗

Wait till they want to vaccinate children. What then? Sorry, your child can’t attend school. Sorry, your child’s not getting any education, we’ll have to take them into care.

418785 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Richard O, 2, #804 of 1944 🔗

The Israelis have an innate aversion to cooking with gas.

419817 ▶▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to AidanR, #805 of 1944 🔗

I must have heard that joke six million times.

418608 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 2, #806 of 1944 🔗

Wonder why he feels so strongly about having a Green passport.

418612 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to DanClarke, 6, #807 of 1944 🔗

What is really worrying is how few people these days find this objectionable or even surprising.

418749 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to godowneasy, 4, #808 of 1944 🔗

I have no words.

418548 Jo, replying to Jo, 80, #809 of 1944 🔗

I think today might be the worst so far, looking at the news on here and some of the posts.
Quite a few of my friends have now been vaccinated, even though some of them sceptical ” you’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t” one said to me when I asked him if he was concerned about the possibility of getting ADE at some future point.
I understand – up to a point – but in reality of course anyone who gets vaccinated is complicit in the onward march of medical tyranny and its twin, technocracy.
So I went to the vegetable shop, where I usually feel safe. Just about to pay for my shopping and this woman behind me said “where is your badge?” so I just glared at her “you’re not wearing a mask”. I am not usually rude to people but I just looked straight at her and said “why don’t you mind your own fucking business. I’m exempt, but it’s not any of your business.” As I was paying, I just turned round again and said “what would you like me to do? Wear a yellow star like the Jews?” This was all a bit embarrassing for the staff in the shop as I am probably one of their best customers and have been for over 25 years. Thing is, I was literally shaking with rage. I wish I could behave with more equanimity – you rarely win an argument with anger.
But then – given what’s happening – does it matter one jot how I behave?
I feel I am losing all my friends – the ones who don’t get it are collaborators and the ones who do seem to be taking it on the chin. If there ever is a group of people doing things collectively I would like to join, but I can’t do things on my own anymore. Some days I don’t even turn on my phone. I feel as if I need to withdraw from life now but can’t find things to do to fill the time. Day and night I am thinking about what is going on and cannot distract myself for long (except in the evening with alcohol.)
I am consumed by anger but now a bit frightened too, as others have mentioned being. Sometimes I wonder if I have died and gone to hell because I still cannot really understand why anyone at this stage would fall for this ridiculous narrative.

418566 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Jo, 19, #810 of 1944 🔗

”you’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t” one said to me

You’re damned if you take the Mark of the beast – if you can’t buy or sell without a vaccine, or some other technocratic pass which they are busy thinking of, then going along with it will have been colaboration with the enemy.

I feel your pain re: your anger getting the better of you. I completely sympathise with that – I’ve been there. We want the life we had – it was an ok life, sometimes it was a great life. Now, every day you’re facing people like that woman who seek to police you like the stasi, and a Prime Minister who is “breadcrumbing” you like a narcissist, and he’s hoping you’re not going to notice when the restrictions aren’t lifted.

They are determined to terrorise you because they are terrorists. Boris and his advisors are deliberately seeking to terrify you so that you’ll have a jab which may take you to hell. We can only say no, and keep saying no.

418567 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo, 18, #811 of 1944 🔗

I feel your pain, and am in a very similar situation. Every day is an uphill battle. I am distancing myself even from online communication with friends because I can’t stand their bullshit anymore. They are all gone.

418572 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Richard O, 7, #812 of 1944 🔗

A friend has written to me twice in the last month or so – her only news is who has had covid. :\

418747 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to this is my username, 1, #813 of 1944 🔗

They must be one of the very few lucky people who actually know someone who has COVID – for most the extent of disease is purely anecdotal (and Lamestream media of course)

418642 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Richard O, 6, #814 of 1944 🔗

Yes, “all gone” and it will never be possible to restore friendships with people who have now been exposed for what they really all the time we thought they were like us. This is what’s “irreversible” and so desperately sad.

418568 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Jo, 15, #815 of 1944 🔗

You shouldn’t feel bad for letting rip at the busybody sticking their beak in your life,we are way beyond the point of being polite and reasonable with people like that,anyone that makes any comment to me,my wife,family or friends gets both barrels and some,we have spent a year being calm and nice and reasonable and it has achieved nothing whatsoever.
I have wondered if I have actually died and ended up in some form of purgatory,everything is wrong and absolutely nothing makes even the slightest bit of sense anymore.

418598 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 10, #816 of 1944 🔗

I agree. The time for politesse is well over. I now say what I think, if others don’t like it, tough.

418569 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Jo, 23, #817 of 1944 🔗

I (and I’m sure everyone here) feels your pain, Jo.

Your last sentence really cuts home for me – it’s just beyond debate now that the govt and their various allies across the establishment are in the process of imposing something very sinister on us and so many people seem to be willing to accept it. Even if things returned to normal tomorrow I don’t think I’ll ever get over the disappointment in my countryman and countrywoman.

418574 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo, 19, #818 of 1944 🔗

Don’t feel bad.

This is the challenge of our lives.

This is It.

418575 ▶▶ RoseE, replying to Jo, 18, #819 of 1944 🔗

I assuage my deep anger by delivering leaflets to my smug village. I delivered Back to Normal (backtonormalrh@yahoo.com) flyers last month and today I started on Recovery ( https://timeforrecovery.org/take-action/ ). Otherwise I feel powerless. So far it’s garnered me a sharp rebuke from the Chairperson of the Parish Council in the monthly magazine.

418580 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to RoseE, 6, #820 of 1944 🔗

Well done! 🙂

418631 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to RoseE, 7, #821 of 1944 🔗

Tell the Chairperson to fuck off. (There, revealed my true colours.)

418881 ▶▶▶▶ RoseE, replying to HoMojo, 1, #822 of 1944 🔗

I am still waiting for a response to my call for her resignation as she was spouting her personal opinions, edicts (“take the vaccine”) and data without proof under the signature of an official of the Parish.

419508 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RoseE, #823 of 1944 🔗

Excellent therapy. Nice if you could have a friend to help you.

418583 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Jo, 34, #824 of 1944 🔗

Jo I could have written what happened to you in the shop, it recently happened to me and I was shaking with both anger and fear by the end of it. When returning to the car I was in tears. I first tried to ignore the person who did it, but she followed me all the way round the supermarket all the time saying “she is not wearing a mask” to anyone who would listen.

What tipped me over the edge was she then started again in the car park, I could ignore her no more, I wish had had told her to f*** off, it may have shut her up and made me feel better. I did finish the conversation with a yellow star comment which left her looking like a fish out of water.

What has happened to people? Certainly I never remember such hatred between people, we all are different but we didn’t verbally attack eachother. The saddest part for me was the people stopping and watching what was happening it was quite clear none of them would have come to help if I had needed it.

This is not about what happened to me but is an example of a disintegrating society, my fear is so many of the zealots will have become so empowered by their 100% belief they are entitled to attack people, once this is over they will find their next cause and continue their behaviour.

418589 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Cumbriacracked, 14, #825 of 1944 🔗

“but she followed me all the way round the supermarket all the time saying “she is not wearing a mask” to anyone who would listen.”

Good god!!!

418595 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cumbriacracked, 11, #826 of 1944 🔗

She sounds in need of some mental health care

418600 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Cumbriacracked, 15, #827 of 1944 🔗

exactly – and we wonder how/why the germans didn’t stand up for the jews. It’s so easy to brainwash the majority of people with constant propaganda and divide and conquer. They are doing this deliberately for society to police itself – it’s frightening.

418639 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to penelope pitstop, 5, #828 of 1944 🔗

They also had a rule of three slogan:

“Jews – Lice – Typhus.”

418629 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Cumbriacracked, 16, #829 of 1944 🔗

Unfortunately for you no-one came to help, but there are people who would. Maybe I just like confrontation, but I would have been there since I loathe injustice. I don’t get challenged because I’m a big bloke (but elderly now) and if someone did I’m not sure I would remain civil. I’m not sure I would even avoid the physical, though these days that would no doubt hurt my bones. There are people who would stand up for you, equally it’s an opportunity for you to learn to stand in your own power. Tell them they should have gotten over being a Nazi in their previous lifetime.

418831 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to HoMojo, 2, #830 of 1944 🔗

That is nice to know people would help, I know my husband would have done if there had been a similar situation he had witnessed.

It is not in my nature to swear or be rude, but goodness the holier than though attitude of some could change me very soon!

Jo has suffered this, as have I and others have posted with similar stories on LS, that is just a small amount of people, how many suffer this daily throughout the UK? It does give you a bit of sympathy for those who feel they have no option other than wear a mask to avoid the confrontational zealots, only a very small amount of sympathy though!

418744 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #831 of 1944 🔗

I’m sorry you had to experience that – it really does shake you when confronted and hounded by someone like that. Horrible.

Don’t let it put you off, and if it ever happens again, tell a member of staff that you’re being harrassed. It’s not OK for people to harrass you!

418838 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to this is my username, 2, #832 of 1944 🔗

Yes I think that would be what I would do, the stupid part of it all and I am so annoyed with myself currently, is I do not want to go back to the shop. I am not some impressionable young woman and yet something happening like that has had such an impact I am scared to return. I am not posting for sympathy, it is just an example of what this is all doing to people.

Mr CC says I will go back as he will refuse to get any shopping until I do, so we will starve! I can always count on husband!

419278 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #833 of 1944 🔗

I understand how you feel – he’s right though, you need to face it. It’ll probably never happen again, and if it does, you’ll be ready to ask for assistance. No shop wants to lose customers (I would hope!).

419506 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to this is my username, 1, #834 of 1944 🔗

If they do it twice, it’s a crime. 1997 Act.

419614 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #835 of 1944 🔗

Sorry to hear of your experience Jo. I have never been accosted by a member of the public like that. I just smile at them all. I chat with the jerks at the door at Waitrose and find that they need the money and usually know that C-19 is a fraud.

I know I can’t put myself in your shoes, but I’ll rabbit on for a few moments:: How about asking “Why do you think I should wear a mask (if I could)?” It might open an opportunity for schooling. The answer would surely be government garbage. You could ask whether the ideas were her own, or just those of the treacherous lying government. You could point out that she has been breathing in millions of viruses every day of her life and that the supermarket will have billions of viruses floating about and that her mask does nothing to stop her inhaling them.

If she tells you that you are putting people at risk, explain to her (as someone pointed out here on LS recently) that if she drives a car then she puts people at risk.

419644 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, #836 of 1944 🔗

Sorry, Meant to reply to Jo.

418590 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo, 9, #837 of 1944 🔗

A lot of it is propaganda, showing the queues in the empty nightingale hospitals (they never ask themselves why they are empty) ready for their jabs, same as the testing centre’s which soon stood empty when people realised what was going on. The jabs are going the same way. I admit I avoid most places now to keep me sane, have been to the garden centre on quiet days, without a mask, spoke to the manager who said they will go bust if they dont ease off with the mask thing, at least make it voluntary. Most people are sheep, always have been

418822 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to DanClarke, #838 of 1944 🔗

As Adolf said, it’s fortunate for governments that men do not think (He was sexist as well!).

418594 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Jo, 6, #839 of 1944 🔗

I feel your anger and am the same – I have withdrawn from my somewhat small social group as it’s clear that not on the same wavelength on this and not worth discussing with them and I don’t like confrontation.
I wonder if we need to set up some kind of social call or something with people on this site – would probably have to be the dreaded zoom or similar – i think Annie mentioned something way back but not sure if it happened, but we could do it.

418611 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to penelope pitstop, 8, #840 of 1944 🔗

That’s right, we could do it. But you have to be perceptive and aware. Believe it or not (and I learnt this at my personal expense) there are infiltrators everywhere. The 77th Brigade isn’t a myth and I know enough about how the Met Police operate undercover to be very wary of joining up with my real i.d. until I’m certain. .

418596 ▶▶ l835, replying to Jo, 5, #841 of 1944 🔗

Definitely time to call for management, they have duty to protect us from harassment by other customers, but not easy to remember when being attacked.

418601 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Jo, 14, #842 of 1944 🔗

Hold tight. I think there is a great possibility of things turning. It only takes 3.5% of us (do a search on the ‘3.5% rule’) to change the narrative. That’s 3.5% standing up by the way, not seeking refuge on forums like this, useful as they are. You were not wrong to cite the stigmatising of the Jews in the vegetable shop. I do this a lot, if only for shock value. You have to wake people up one way or another. I also do not understand why people fall for this narrative, but then I’ve never understood why people succumb to bullies but they do. Most people will compromise for an easy life, which usually means they lack any spiritual perspective. Germany could only do what it did to the Jews (and the Communists etc) in the 1930s because the ordinary citizens allowed them to, hence Martin Niemoller’s poem (anthem); ‘First they came…’ The woman in the vegetable shop deserved what you gave her, until she wakes up she’s your enemy..

418627 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Jo, 8, #843 of 1944 🔗

I think you are absolutely right to lose your rag with people like that and give them a few hard truths, otherwise they think they are winning if we don’t fight back.

My only caveat is to do it where there is little or no threat to yourself, e.g. facing a mob of them.

418653 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jo, 7, #844 of 1944 🔗

Use the exemption against her. She has no idea why you are exempt, it could be that you have extremely easily triggered violent PTSD. You can react as “crazily” as you like and it is totally her fault. I wouldn’t take the risk if I was her!

418668 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo, 6, #845 of 1944 🔗

If there ever is a group of people doing things collectively I would like to join, but I can’t do things on my own anymore.

There is probably a KBF or TFN group near you, Jo. Find one and join – meeting like-minded people is essential.

And enjoyable – our mental health support group has beer, wine, and food. 🙂

418672 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jo, 6, #846 of 1944 🔗

Well done for standing up to the mask nazi. I hate these people with a burning passion. I will tear then a new one every time.

418700 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Jo, 2, #847 of 1944 🔗

You sound absolutely great. We’ll done.

418709 ▶▶ gina, replying to Jo, 11, #848 of 1944 🔗

Thanks for your post.
‘Mind your own business’ must be hanging in the air today.
I went to my butcher’s this morning – the only place where I have felt confident that I will not be harrassed for not wearing a mask. But for the first time – since last March – and the only time ever, anywhere, I was loudly challenged by an old man and told more than once that I should be wearing a mask. I ended up repeatedly and firmly telling him to ‘mind your own business.’
Not how I ever imagined I would respond. Its a phrase I don’t think I’ve ever used and I’ve not heard in common use since my childhood. I imagined I would give smart retorts or go on the full facts attack when I’ve thought about what I would say or do. But no – ‘mind your own business’ entirely bypassed my brain and leapt from my tongue.
I’m a thin skinned person and I too tend to replay unpleasant happenings after the event, wondering what would have been a better response etc but I must say I left the butcher’s feeling satisfied that it was a good straight push back – not attempting to change anyone else’s opinion but asserting the boundary between me and others. I think you could be forgiven the fuck…perhaps you could sub it with Charles Walker’s delightful ‘for crying out loud.’
I’m sad to read you feel angry and frightened and unable to find a purpose in the day. I get these times too.This time is a real test of character, isn’t it – and we are but human. Go easy on yourself today – you’ll rally and get back on the horse. Wishing you well.

418800 ▶▶ Phillips13, replying to Jo, 2, #849 of 1944 🔗

Where are you based Jo? Perhaps you need some new friends. I’ve just joined The Freedom Network: https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/find-a-hub

Feel free to email me if you’d like more details: asphillips13@gmail.com

418835 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Phillips13, 1, #850 of 1944 🔗

Thanks, will definitely follow up.

418806 ▶▶ Phillips13, replying to Jo, 3, #851 of 1944 🔗

Where are you based Jo?

You need some new friends. I’ve just joined The Freedom Network: https://www.thefreedomnetwork.co.uk/find-a-hub

Feel free to email me if you’d like more details: asphillips13@gmail.com

418814 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Jo, 2, #852 of 1944 🔗

Your last sentence. I called bullshit on this charade on day one, and I genuinely cannot understand why anybody is taken in by the lies. Unforunately, a situation of complete mutual incomprehension doesn’t exactly make for constructive debate.

418871 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Jo, 5, #853 of 1944 🔗

Good for you! You handled it well and I know from experience that this kind of thing leaves you shaken up. The staff should have supported you, though.

I’ve read some of the responses to your post and notice that a couple of other people have had similar experiences recently. It seems we get a wave (sorry!) of them from time to time.

On the other side of the coin, I called across to an muzzled old woman in the countryside yesterday, ‘Get some fresh air and oxygen, love’. Her husband replied, ‘Yes’ – perhaps he’s tried in vain to talk sense into her. She mumbled something that sounded like ‘We need more than that’. What? Pump magic vaccine medicine into the High Peak air? Who knows? She went on to mumble something about how far they’d walked, we didn’t really catch what it was. We concluded that she was puddled. Sadly, likely soon to be physically ill as well, despite the exercise.

It’s an easy thing to say but people who want to shout at un-nappied people are deranged. (I don’t usually challenge the nappied but I actually felt sorry for the woman, depriving herself of oxygen.) I think comments about yellow stars are justified, ( ‘Where is your badge’ indeed – the cheek!), so is a four-lettered response or ‘mind your own business, just keep your distance if you’re worried,’ etc. I also think it’s OK to report it to staff in shops. Good luck anyway, maybe you’ve had your turn for a while! MW

418960 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #854 of 1944 🔗

Thanks for your support, Miriam. I feel better for all the replies, I felt utterly alone before.

418904 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo, 2, #855 of 1944 🔗

Stay strong Jo

I tell collaborators to go fist themselves on a regular basis

Had anyone followed me around the store I would have pretended to have a coughing fit and start following them

419163 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Jo, 6, #856 of 1944 🔗

I’ve just had a permanent “could stab anyone face”, since this BS began and stare defiantly, daring someone, anyone to say something. And God help them if they do. I’m ready with my channeled PMT to let fly. Disappointingly, I haven’t had any takers, all 5’2″ of me.

419499 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Jo, 1, #857 of 1944 🔗

Let us know where you are so we can support you

419695 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Bungle, #858 of 1944 🔗

Cookham, East Berks. Can you DM me, as difficult to navigate through these posts. Thank you.

419634 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo, 1, #859 of 1944 🔗

So sad to read of your experience, Jo.

How about videoing her? I have an old phone without a sim card and would video anyone who started any nonsense like that all the while muttering something about ‘harassment’.

418550 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 24, #860 of 1944 🔗

It is hard for me to understand why people in charge are so deeply hating this country and its people! What is their internal structure, why is their thought process to come to employ such hate against your people who trusted you, who voted you in power, who are still listening to you.

418557 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TheClone, 18, #861 of 1944 🔗

If we really knew the answer to this I think we would have already defeated them.

You are absolutely correct to observe that our leadership harbours a visceral, psychotic hatred for humanity. I think they always did, but have finally dispensed with their disguise.

418577 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Richard O, 5, #862 of 1944 🔗

They seem to be eugenicists intent on democide.

418622 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #863 of 1944 🔗

Pretty shit disguise. Obvious to anyone who really looked for decades and more.

419485 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to TheClone, #864 of 1944 🔗

You’ll never gue$$.

418553 Londo Mollari, 17, #865 of 1944 🔗

A Dutch court in the Hague tells the Dutch government to ditch its illegal curfew. https://www.rt.com/news/515699-hague-court-dutch-covid-curfew/

418559 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 35, #866 of 1944 🔗

Irreversible is clearly the latest lie from boris to extend the lockdown.

Remember Lockdown in November to save Christmas… Christmas cancelled

Lockdown for Christmas to save a total lockdown….total lockdown on 6 Jan

He is a liar

418588 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Silver cat, 13, #867 of 1944 🔗

He’s breadcrumbing us, as narcissists do.

“Breadcrumbing is the narcissist’s way of sending you false signals of hope, irregular messages to keep you intrigued and thinking if you hold on just a little bit longer, it will all be ok after all the narcissist told you it would all be ok, that they would never hurt you, lie to you, not to worry and everything will be fine, and they care about you right? Wrong, they lack the empathy to care. However, our trust within their gaslighting words leads us to lose our faith within our instincts.

With a narcissist’s things are not as straight forward as they promise something, don’t deliver, we see them for who they are, and we walk, that would be too easy, with a narcissist, they love bomb, idealise, devalue, intimidate and isolate, so we become confused as to whether they’re our hero or our worst nightmare, however, because they promise us something, then don’t deliver.”

https://wasitme.blog/2020/11/05/the-narcissists-bread-crumbing/

418892 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to this is my username, #868 of 1944 🔗

It’s breadcrumbs to the Tory MPs, as well as the general population, who are pushing back too, hoping it will be enough to keep them at bay.

418599 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Silver cat, 5, #869 of 1944 🔗

If lockdown never ends, which looks likely, then reversbility is irrelevant

418624 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Silver cat, 2, #870 of 1944 🔗

Lockdown one was for three weeks to flatten the sombrero. (Why does Boris Johnson use figurative language so much?)

418660 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Silver cat, 2, #871 of 1944 🔗

Have Easter at Christmas, it’s only one Easter. Sorry no, Christmas is cancelled too, but it’s only one Christmas and you can have Christmas at Easter along with the cancelled Easter 2020, oh dear we’ve got to cancel Easter 2021 too and we’ve already said that Christmas 2021 probably won’t happen. Perhaps save up those two Easters and Christmases and have them all at Easter 2022 which we may or may not cancel…

418687 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Silver cat, #872 of 1944 🔗

He is a fucking stupid hating this country and its people!

418579 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #873 of 1944 🔗

Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi hails ‘really encouraging’ signs that Covid jabs will slash transmission of the virus in Britain with results from major PHE and Oxford studies expected within weeks That just doesn’t make any sense. Vaccinating everyone over 70 & the most vulnerable can not possibly have any real effect on transmission & infection rates.
It’s inconceivable the fall in “cases” (positive tests) can be attributed to vaccination. It’s not like essential workers ranks are filled with disabled OAP’s. I’ve not seen supermarkets or parks, streets, beaches crowded with rogue elderly dissidents. NO I call BULL SHIT to the drop in positive PCR tests. And I don’t see how its Lockdown either, any decline in deaths should have been weeks ago, how long have we been in lockdown? 6 or more weeks, exactly how long is the incubation period for Covid-19 2 or perhaps 3 weeks?

This sounds like another one that needs to be chalked down to nature, a seasonal virus outbreak reaching its natural conclusion resulting in herd immunity. And if that immunity didn’t offer any protection from new mutations the human race would have been wiped out centuries ago. One caveat we do now as a species live very different lifestyles than our ancestors, however many species have lived in huge aggregations & migrated over vast distances & population is regulated by infectious disease. So there is much to learn from nature. Covid-19 really isn’t throwing up any real surprises. It’s a man made political crisis not a natural phenomenon.

418585 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #874 of 1944 🔗

The number of PCR tests actually being carried out is rapidly dropping. Less tests, less false positives.

418659 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Katabasis, #875 of 1944 🔗

Of course.

418678 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Katabasis, #876 of 1944 🔗

And of course Mr Zahawi is used to figures being massaged and used for anything convenient – he is Mr Yougov, after all.

418597 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #877 of 1944 🔗

They can all spout more or less any rubbish they want – no-one calls them out on it

418606 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Anti_socialist, #878 of 1944 🔗

Or have they dropped the PCR testing cycles or changed to LFT?

418615 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to FenTyger, 5, #879 of 1944 🔗

LFT appears to be the test of choice where high positives are not desirable: cross Channel truck drivers, for example.

418680 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bugle, 3, #880 of 1944 🔗

And GPs, pharmacies and opticians – I know as I delivered a lot of them for the NHS and they were all LFTs.

Not a PCR test in the lot.

418654 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to FenTyger, #881 of 1944 🔗

They are now conducting more LFTs than PCR tests I believe…

418669 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FenTyger, 2, #882 of 1944 🔗

Yes. See the 74th SAGE meeting minutes in December. They gave the green light for LFT because anything over 25CTs on PCR was dodgy stuff.

Yep. A win for sceptics, but cases falling because lockdown and vaccine.

418665 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #884 of 1944 🔗

It’s evident other countrirs are experiencing downward trends in cases without the mass experimental vaccines. So, just ignore them.

418674 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #885 of 1944 🔗

Wasn’t there talk of lowering the PCR ‘cycles’ so that they didn’t pick up so many (false) positives? Then the drop in numbers could be attributed to lockdown.

418742 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Banjones, 3, #886 of 1944 🔗

Yes no one seems to be mentioning this. It’s quite possible PCR threshold cycles may well have been intentionally reduced to make it look like vaccines and lockdowns are a good thing. There has been so much dishonesty that I would put it past this Govt. Plus it is almost Spring when respiratory infections will start to reduce naturally. I cannot see how a reduction in cases can be down to any of these so called vaccines. From hiding at home maybe to an extent. The vaccine trials showed that they only reduce mild symptoms for some people, nothing more. They don’t stop anyone catching or passing on. All the elderly folk now vaccinated have not being going out or not very much other than perhaps to the supermarket etc. They won’t have been out to catch anything so no vaccine will have reduced their symptoms because they haven’t got any to start with. It’s a nonsense.

418581 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #887 of 1944 🔗

Listen to the common sense, as ever, from the incomparable Alan Jones. Would that our Sky News had people like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJz0lPnfVw0

418670 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #888 of 1944 🔗

Here’s Creighton’s article:
”Covid and the political economy of mass hysteria”
https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/02/16/covid-and-the-political-economy-of-mass-hysteria/

418584 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #889 of 1944 🔗

Following my post earlier about parties that are now unacceptable as a result of lockdown (“Conservative”, Labour, S”N”P, LibDem, Greens), those (starter) parties that have been absolutely sound on it (Heritage, Reclaim), and those that have blown hot and cold (Reform), another that has blown hot and cold for me has been the SDP. Here’s a good interview with William Clouston, the SDP leader, in which he makes a lot of good points. But in the end, “time to end lockdown” is not in itself enough to make a party acceptable. Only a complete repudiation of lockdown as a permitted policy for government is that, imo.

Vaccine success: ‘No more excuses’ not to end lockdown | 15-Feb-21

418616 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #890 of 1944 🔗

Forget not the evil Plaid Cymru !

418638 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, #891 of 1944 🔗

Tbh I’ve no idea what their position is on lockdown, but I feel it would be safe o assume they can go in the bin with the rest of the Old Politics-ers.

418962 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnB, #892 of 1944 🔗

God, yes.Covid mania coupled with vicious anglophobia.

418664 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Mark, 1, #893 of 1944 🔗

I’ve been a member of the SDP for a while now, they are the only sensible party who have a good range of policies, not a one trick pony. If you want to adjust their outlook join up and have your say.

418737 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TreeHugger, 1, #894 of 1944 🔗

I don’t think they would suit my overall world-view, but I would be very happy if they were to replace the evil Labour Party and Reclaim or Heritage were to replace the useless “Conservatives”, as the alternating parties in office.

418963 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TreeHugger, #895 of 1944 🔗

They are the best if a bad bunch, though pro-face nappies.

418845 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 1, #896 of 1944 🔗

Is there a “ Hang every sitting politician ” party?
if not, why not??

418868 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #897 of 1944 🔗

You appear to have spotted a gap in the market….

418593 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 54, #898 of 1944 🔗

A smidgeon of encouraging news from a weary, thoroughly pissed off sceptic:

this morning, I finally achieved success- the British Gas engineer came to do the yearly service and to rectify the boiler faults.

A revelation: I invited him to remove his mask, which he gladly did; he hates wearing them, is convinced that they are damaging to health both physical and social, and only wears one when visiting likely snitchers who might report him.

I told him that I supported the recent engineers’ strike action, all the more so since the CEO, who just about gets by on £800,000 +bonuses, share options and pension pot, probably wouldn’t know one end of a gas boiler from the other and has been entrusted with the usual cut, cut, save costs, antagonise the work force and end up with a service not fit for purpose.

Apparently, many yearly service commitments have been deferred and most customers are complaining bitterly about endless call queues and irritating recorded advice messages.

My particular favourite, which induced explosive outbursts of expletives on my part, was that delivered by what resembles the chatty tones of a teenaged girl suggesting that if one’s boiler should break down, it might just be a power cut! FFS! If the power was off, one would know immediately.

Another goody was to hold a hot water bottle against frozen pipes but not to light a match; all this while standing outside in sub zero temperatures and trying to get through to an agent on one’s mobile.

We then discussed the devastation being wreaked on the many thousands of the young, the poor and the self employed.

He told me that in his home town, formerly a well known manufacturing industry employer, many kids are now making silly money by drug dealing using snap chat. The lockdowns have removed what little incentive remained to go to school and aim for a career.

The decent secure employment formerly available has now vanished, so drug dealing is the go-to option for many.

He doesn’t want the vaccine, has started to take seriously the ominous implications of the Great Reset and agreed that wealthy securely placed politicians, academics and chatterati have absolutely no idea of how it feels to be impoverished, despairing, stressed, redundant , cold and hungry.

I offered him a spare lanyard which he gladly accepted and encouraged him to spread the word.

Finally he warned me about the many pitfalls of smart meters: I don’t want one and will never sign up.

So, a very enlightening conversation with a kindred spirit and my 2nd convert since the madness befell us.

418602 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to wendyk, 15, #899 of 1944 🔗

Good stuff! Smart meters are the prologue to rationing.

418614 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PompeyJunglist, 3, #900 of 1944 🔗

Decline smartometers here

https://freedomtaker.com/

418626 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to PompeyJunglist, 3, #901 of 1944 🔗

And more control creep

418650 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PompeyJunglist, #902 of 1944 🔗
418607 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendyk, 14, #903 of 1944 🔗

The decent secure employment formerly available has now vanished, so drug dealing is the go-to option for many.

Another consequence of destroying the economy and society. People who have been marginalised will create black markets for just about everything. These people will be my only source of provisions (and quite possibly protection) when the vaccine restrictions really start to bite, so I wholeheartedly support the entrepreneurial start ups in this area.

418617 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Richard O, 5, #904 of 1944 🔗

Same here. Ingenuity will find a way and stupid, asinine restrictions should be flouted.

418623 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to wendyk, 14, #905 of 1944 🔗

I’d say skilled tradesmen are the most sceptical section of the population by far.

418651 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #906 of 1944 🔗

Yes I think you are correct: they make things, repair and maintain things, drive the vans so derided by lefty snobs and generally possess useful claptrap/ propaganda detectors.

418613 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #907 of 1944 🔗

The British government set up the Common Cold Unit in the 1940s. It was closed in the 1980s. More than forty years of research resulted in abject failure. Some of the viruses that cause the diseases referred to as the common cold are coronaviruses. Yet we are supposed to believe what could not be done in over forty years has been accomplished in a matter of a few months.

418619 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #908 of 1944 🔗

Well, they’ve opened the shop up again with new management – Boris and Co – and new owners – Bill Gates and co.

418717 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Steve Hayes, -2, #909 of 1944 🔗

Sorry but this is a fatuous argument. The list of things you can do now that you couldn’t possibly do up to the 1980s, thanks to science and technology, is pretty damned long.

418953 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to AidanR, 5, #910 of 1944 🔗

How about the list if things that you could do then but can’t do now?

Such as live a normal life?

419328 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to AidanR, 1, #911 of 1944 🔗

One thing they couldn’t do was develop a vaccine against a coronavirus; and one thing they still cannot do is develop a vaccine against a coronavirus.

418618 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 28, #912 of 1944 🔗

I like Governor DeSantis in Florida more and more. This is his response to the media fainting fit over people having the temerity to enjoy themselves after the Superbowl.

“The media is worried about that, obviously. You don’t care as much if it’s a “peaceful protest’, then it’s fine. You don’t care as much if they’re celebrating a Biden election. You only care about it if it’s people you don’t like. I’m a Bucs fan. I’m damn proud of what they did.”

Ron DeSantis/Kristi Noem 2024 baby!

418630 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #913 of 1944 🔗

They’ve been terrific, making no apologies for their position and doubling down on being outspoken at every opportunity. And their states have fared much better than the usual suspects (New York, California etc.) who have bought in fully to the Covid Cult totalitarianism.

418635 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #914 of 1944 🔗

Will be interesting to see how they take him down.

Or whether he can cling on like a limpet.

418657 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to stewart, 5, #915 of 1944 🔗

They won’t take him down. His popular support is huge and he has sorted the election system in Florida. Used to be the worst, now it is the most transparent of all the states.

418620 John001, replying to John001, 6, #916 of 1944 🔗

I came across this from late 2020, a typical BBC criticism of people who were still living life as normal, including church services. In particular, some elderly priests had died of it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55098412

then I looked up the figures for Serbia on Worldometers, i.e. for 16 Feb. 2021.

Answer:
Serbia – fewer than 500 ‘COVID deaths’ per million.
UK – over 1,700.

418636 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to John001, 6, #917 of 1944 🔗

“some elderly priests had died of it…”

You know, there’s a key word in there somewhere but I just can’t put my finger on it….

418646 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #918 of 1944 🔗

Priests

People who pervert the minds of the weak away from the worship of the one true fact-checked Covid.

418780 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Ovis, #919 of 1944 🔗

It’s funny how religious beliefs seem to terrify them so they turn churches and mosques into satanic places to inject unwitting believers with vaccines containing cells from an aborted foetus – sounds like a Hammer horror film but is actually true (look at ‘vaccinate your family’ for the list of ingredients..) and btw that’s all vaccines that contain those cells so I guess that’s an argument for some people not to take it?

418946 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ovis, 2, #920 of 1944 🔗

Almost all CofE clergy are fanatical Covid worshippers and persecutors of heretics who dare to follow Christ,

419149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #921 of 1944 🔗

“The Devil – is he all bad?”
( Not The Nine O’Clock News satire on the C of E, 1980)

418942 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, #923 of 1944 🔗

Does it spot Covvie as well?If so, the sheeples will be bleating for it.

418641 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 13, #924 of 1944 🔗

One of the more oily analogies that is used by people like David Cameron for example when talking about climate change action, is the bowl of sweets with one or two being poisoned.

The idea is that you wouldn’t take a sweet from the bowl even with the probabilty being low as the risk is extremely high (fatal).

This is a good example of the Precautionary Principle as you have KNOWN effect.

But say the poison is modelled through indirect means with uncertainties much larger than the toxicity of the poison. You could listen to all the theory and proclaimations but it’s still no different than listening to religious verse.

The only reality will be when someone eats a sweet. Using the Precautionary Principle of an UNKNOWN effect is daft. It’s open ended and causes more destruction than helping.

But what is really interesting is that the PP was used so much for Covid but at the same time it is completely ignored for taking a vaccine.

The vaccine is the bowl of sweets with a KNOWN amount of poison.

But people are perfectly happen to take the poison but not to accept the PERCEIVED risks of Covid.

Interesting isn’t it.

Plus those who are taking the poison, if you will, are not doing it to lower the risks of Covid. They are doing it for access to resources.

In other words, harm yourself and you MAY be rewarded.

Still want to take the vaccine?

418647 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to mhcp, 5, #925 of 1944 🔗

An excellent point.

And this kind of blatant double standard in reasoning appears to be the norm now. It’s continual psychological warfare.

Take schools for example. Whilst I’m not sympathetic to the teaching unions, the government can’t make out this is the black death and simultaneously tell teaching staff that schools are “perfectly safe”…

418661 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Katabasis, 4, #926 of 1944 🔗

Its deeply psychological now. It’s so blatant. I think most people are just going along with things, not realising their opinions are not their own.

419400 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #927 of 1944 🔗

Yes. Are those your own ideas – or those of the government?

418713 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to mhcp, 9, #928 of 1944 🔗

The analogy i have in my head re vaccines is that of a new aircraft…
We have a lovely shiny new aircraft but in order to get it flying quickly we’ve cut a few corners in the test schedule to bring in the timescales because the government and shareholders demanded it.
Q: What kind of corners have been cut?
A: Well it was supposed to have 3000 hours of tests, but we thought that 1000 hours was enough and showed promising signs in the few scenarios we performed
Q: Do the engines work and won’t cut out at altitude?
A: Well we tested engine 1 and some of engine 2 ok, but engine 3+4 we’ll know soon enough in the first flight and have some more data to work with.
Q: Does the landing gear work?
A: Hmmm we’re not too sure as that was in phase 3 testing but we’ll find out soon enough when we land with a full load of passengers. Hope that’s ok.

No-one would go on a plane without full test/safety check – why the flip would they so gladly hold their arm out to have a vaccine which has been released earlier than otherwise would without the full test schedule is beyond me.

418762 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #929 of 1944 🔗

Bill Gates on the BBC talked about ‘These amazing vaccines’ which he’s making billions from – why would anyone not believe him?!

418645 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 11, #930 of 1944 🔗

Miserable rozzers! The ‘Covid Arms’ pub/club sounds awesome! 😆

418703 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to The Covid Kid, 3, #931 of 1944 🔗

The Hasidic Jews in N. Y. showed the world how to pull stuff like this successfully.
Careful w.o.m. invitations only. A deflection party/music or a whole lot of them would also have been advisable.

418655 Ovis, 5, #932 of 1944 🔗

I don’t know how you’re planning to celebrate the first year of lockdown, but I doubt there will be a shortage of visible policing that night.

418656 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #933 of 1944 🔗

Scottish Government destroying the entire aviation industry in the country.

An utter debacle says Simon Calder.

Handy 1.2 min clip to share with your friends and enemies.

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1361606242284707843?s=20

419131 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Basics, #934 of 1944 🔗

I didn’t even know Scotland had an aviation industry to destroy.

418658 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #935 of 1944 🔗

I just had a blast on BBC R4. You and yours, Winafred Robinson talking to Mr Normington about how he can’t pay he morguages, one by to let and the other intrest only. Says he will be homeless soon.

Mogadon Queen Winafred bleats on about how all the people can’t pay their rents and morguages.HUGE NUMBERS!!!!

Just HUGE.

Why…
COS OF THE PANDEMIC!

It took me less than five minutes to turn it of in disgust.

The BBC are just totally irrelevant now. One toxic pile of slime that I will never ever get near again.

418699 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Two-Six, 1, #936 of 1944 🔗

Why would you even turn it on? Was it not exactly what you were expecting?

I’m looking forward to your month long journal of repeatedly putting your hand on the stove.

418767 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AidanR, 1, #937 of 1944 🔗

I know….Why do I do it??? I give it a blast now and again to see if anything in the narrative is changing. At least they are talking about the carnage the lockdown has caused even if they blame the pandemic.

I also think I just need to hear how bad it is…Its a bit like smoking without the good bits. Keep lighting up just to see if it’s THIS one that is going to give you lung cancer. No phew…that was scary, oooh my nerves, better light up another one…

418798 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Two-Six, 1, #938 of 1944 🔗

Lol, we used to play this on a night to get to sleep, when it was proper boring, droning on consumer chat. We can’t anymore as it’s so politicised that my husband ends up swearing and shouting rather than dropping off. Thank goodness for “In our time”.

418959 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Two-Six, #939 of 1944 🔗

Have you tried the Greg James show on Radio 4? He digs into the BBC archives. Its like a comforting long drag on he first roll up of the day – reminds you of a time before woke claptrap & before COVID slithered into every programme.

418662 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #940 of 1944 🔗

Where is the UK DeSantis?

Gov. DeSantis Tells Biden: “Go Fuck Yourself” – Real Raw News

A couple of comments::

Happiness Noel

FLORIDA STRONG USA follow us!!!!
“How much do you stand to earn from these vaccines, Dr. Fauci? And, Joe, if you continue with this course of action, I will authorize the state National Guard to protect the movement of Floridians,” DeSantis said.
“Address me as Mr. President or President Biden,” Biden said.
“I will not, and you can go fuck yourself,” DeSantis said before hanging up.

David Chapman

If these quotes are Truthful then what is said in this phone call is extortion of the highest order. By leveraging false statistics of a virus patently owned by Fauci and government entities affords them the a ability to claim anything they want since no other organization can develop tests or isolate the virus to provide evidence that contradicts their claims. So you have a total control of content and context when it comes to this false pandemic and through the extortion of selling vaccines in exchange for natural Rights and Freedoms endowed to us all by birth, biden and Fauci hold an entire country/world hostage through corporate biotech racketeering schemes. These are purely evil, belly crawling, scumbags who deserve whatever punishment humanity dolls out in the days to come.

418692 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to PastImperfect, -2, #941 of 1944 🔗

If these quotes are Truthful

That’s a pretty big ‘if’

Of course, many will convince themselves it’s true, because they want to believe it.

418842 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to AidanR, #942 of 1944 🔗

I would SO like to believe it.

418730 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #943 of 1944 🔗

It’s Charles Walker. Called Wancock’s “10-year-sentence” threat STUPID on Sky news. He’s a total mensch!

418855 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #944 of 1944 🔗

I still think one of the best comments was from Desmond Swayne during a speech in the house saying (not verbatim) “herd immunity, it is more herd stupidity”

418663 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 5, #945 of 1944 🔗

I just had a blast on BBC R4. You and yours, Winafred Robinson talking to Mr Norman Normington about how he can’t pay his mortgages, one by to let and the other interest only. Says he will be homeless soon.

Mogadon Queen Winafred bleats on about how all the people can’t pay their rents and mortgage.HUGE NUMBERS!!!!

Just HUGE.

Why…
COS OF THE PANDEMIC!

It took me less than five minutes to turn it of in disgust.

The BBC are just totally irrelevant now. One toxic pile of slime that I will never ever get near again.

418704 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Two-Six, #946 of 1944 🔗

Why did you even turn it on? Is it not exactly what you expected?

I’m looking forward to your month-long journal of repeatedly putting your hand on the stove.

418775 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AidanR, #947 of 1944 🔗

thats weird my comment and your answer have appeared twice…

419124 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Two-Six, #948 of 1944 🔗

I used to like this program, quite useful info, and surprising how many people fall for scams and give people money, but since last March, cannot bear listen to it.

418666 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 6, #949 of 1944 🔗

The number of PCR tests conducted per day peaked on 8 January 2021 when 544,657 such tests were conducted. On 14 February, 218,980 PCR tests were conducted which is 40 per cent of the 8 January level. Behind the scenes has the testing strategy changed?

Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

418688 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #950 of 1944 🔗

Or they could tell us any numbers, and how could we check the truth of them?
Mr ‘Yougov’ Zahawi could probably provide an answer on that.

418694 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 3, #951 of 1944 🔗

544k expensive and totally unnecessary rolls of a dice.

418849 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #952 of 1944 🔗

It’s not behind the scenes. They gave the green light in the SAGE 74th meeting in December. Minutes online. Anything over 25CTs positive likely not infectious

419121 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #953 of 1944 🔗

You are comparing mid week to a Sunday. Weekends processed tests are always lower.

418671 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #954 of 1944 🔗

Does anyone know of the exemptions that apply to vaccines, if any?

418676 ▶▶ l835, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #955 of 1944 🔗

As it’s not compulsory, there aren’t any.

418679 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to l835, 6, #956 of 1944 🔗

Maybe getting ahead of myself. I am just wondering what happens if my works starts requiring it. I have asthma so hoping this will provide a loophole for me.

418686 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #957 of 1944 🔗

Possibly, or an allergy to the ingredients?

418690 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to l835, 1, #958 of 1944 🔗

Thanks, i’ll need to look into them and have my ducks in order should work ask.

418728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #959 of 1944 🔗

There’s this. ”Can the government force you….”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBrzN7d3qw&feature=youtu.be

It’s very interesting. And he follows it up with one specifically related to employers – but I haven’t watched that one. You should be able to find it.

418741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #960 of 1944 🔗
418689 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #961 of 1944 🔗

That won’t swing it unfortunately. I thought of that as I have asthma as well. You could say you have a severe allergy.

418691 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #962 of 1944 🔗

Too early, stay tuned. Making the doctors and the coercing employers sign something to the effect that they have been informed about your problem(s) and accept full responsibility if you suffer an adverse reaction seems to be a good start and strategy, at least in some countries- only the manufacturers were and are indemnified.
It worked for my brother to avoid national service.. .

418719 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JayBee, 1, #963 of 1944 🔗

Thank you this is very helpful. Glad to hear it worked for your brother.

418829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JayBee, 1, #964 of 1944 🔗

Templates here

https://miriaf.webs.com/site-index
https://archive.vn/ckdjb
https://freedomtaker.com/

also develop a polyethelyne glycol – allergy

Tell them you ended up in intensive care after your BCG

418729 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #965 of 1944 🔗

I’ve just read that asthma inhalers can stop you getting covid – in today’s news (I think).

418682 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to l835, 1, #966 of 1944 🔗

Though you’re advised not to have it if you’re allergic to any of the ”ingredients”. Very helpful, I’m sure…

418698 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Banjones, 7, #967 of 1944 🔗

It’s going to be a real minefield for the govt if they allow the “no jab no job” or make it compulsory. Exemptions on religion, medical or cultural grounds? If not they are walking all over equality legislation and woke culture. Would an official exemption be recognised internationally for travel???

418840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, #968 of 1944 🔗

If a bloke
Is woke
He can foil
The snake oil.

419395 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to l835, #969 of 1944 🔗

In the EU, the ones for masks aren’t.
You have to get medical certificates in each country you visit.
Illegal as per EU law, but they
don’t give a toss about that anymore.

418677 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #970 of 1944 🔗

If you are dead, you do not need to be vaccinated.

418714 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 1, #971 of 1944 🔗

That is their preferred vaccination haha

418743 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #972 of 1944 🔗

I posted this further down. But in case you missed it:
”Can you employer force you…..”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOl2xxF0Wgo

418681 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 1, #973 of 1944 🔗

Some excellent if depressing links today.
In particular the (long) Cayley one and the postcard from London, but above all Ed Hadas piece, which sheds a lot of new light on the Why?, without coming to a definitive conclusion.

418769 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to JayBee, 2, #974 of 1944 🔗

I agree. Haddas’s conclusion that serious opposition to the lockdown strategy has been virtually zero was hard to read but sadly difficult to disagree with.

418685 RickH, replying to RickH, 29, #975 of 1944 🔗

I’ve just been reflecting on a common theme here : the conflicts within families caused, not by the virus, but by the psyops used to control the narrative.

We have just had a weekend family get-together. This a family that has had – back 20 years to when the children were teenagers – robust late-night argumentative sessions (often including friends as well) about everything under the sun, but usually with a broadly political focus.

For myself – my childhood memories are of similarly argumentative older relatives with inherent bolshie streaks.

In brief – arguing about anything and everything is in the bloodstream – and no-one fell out about it, and usually a good deal of laughter and mutual piss-taking was the norm.

Now?

It’s a case of ‘Don’t mention the war’. The brainwashing has been such that there was an agreement not to raise Covid and lockdown etc. because, even in this context, the subject can’t be discussed with secure equanimity, even when we’re talking factual information.

That depresses me as much as anything, and is a massive indictment of the incipient fascism.

418695 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to RickH, 15, #976 of 1944 🔗

Deeply depressing isn’t it?

My own mother called me a “covid-denier” because of my antipathy towards the vaccines.

418720 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Katabasis, 3, #977 of 1944 🔗

It is indeed. All the ”roolz” have been divisive within families and now the ”vaccine” is causing even more dissent. I’m beginning to think many will just tell their families they’ve ”had it” to keep the peace.

418776 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 10, #978 of 1944 🔗

I agree that the vaccines have introduced a new schism, because you don’t have to be a general Covid believer to advocate taking the vaccine as a ‘way out’.

In 40 years, I have never got to the point of shouting down the ‘phone ‘just piss off’ at my son. I have now, after being lectured about the need to absorb some untested snake-oil.

My stance is quite simple at base : beyond everything else, it is absurd to accept a medication that has been ‘tested’ for a mere nine months – and not on my age-group. This, it seems to me, should be patently obvious to a professional scientist such as he! Thus the boiling over.

418824 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, 2, #979 of 1944 🔗

The youth have been well and truly compromised

418882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to RickH, 4, #980 of 1944 🔗

Rick – I hear you. I’ve been a clinical data analyst for five years now (though my formal education is in general data science) so this isn’t outside my domain of general expertise. I’m very familiar with what should and should not form part of a valid clinical trial so it was even more of a slap in the face to me for my mother to say that. Her opinions were repeated verbatim from the idiot box.

From my POV though we’ve thrown everything we know about vaccines out of the window for this madness.

418887 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Katabasis, #981 of 1944 🔗

The only thing that will turn the tide is when the plebs twig eventually that they know more people IRL that have dies mysteriously after the covid vaccine than died of Sars-Cov2

418893 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Katabasis, 3, #982 of 1944 🔗

It sounds like we’re coming from parallel backgrounds – part of mine is from research and practical statistical analysis, with a fair bit of medical statistical techniques tucked in there.

As you imply – an argument based on data is one thing; a denial of reality is another.

418802 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Banjones, 2, #983 of 1944 🔗

I agree there will be many who say they have had the vaccine, which I can sort of understand for family harmony but also quite sad people feel that is the only option.

418739 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Katabasis, 5, #984 of 1944 🔗

mine too

when this all comes to a head there will be an inevitable split in my family.I wont take a vaccin, unless I can be totally ‘free’ again without any agenda…but thats not going to happen?

418759 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #985 of 1944 🔗

If you have to take a vaccine to be free, then you had to give up your freedom to be vaccine free to get it.

They know the effect of such messaging, and that to remain consistent people will probably accept the next software update as well. No, they don’t want you to have freedom – you have to decide to refuse and stick to it.

418782 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 3, #986 of 1944 🔗

We won’t have a split in the family. I’m sure of that. But the consequences of this censorship will echo on.

418791 ▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Luckyharry69, 10, #987 of 1944 🔗

I know. I actually realised today that my complete antipathy towards this vaccine and the whole covid narrative WILL eventually split me away from many friends and family. If those people prefer to put their faith and trust into this government, globalist corporations, and megalomaniacs rather than listen to a family member or friend that loves them, who’s done research and sees the dangerous situation we currently all in, who is at least trying to make them aware but they refuse to listen, then there is nothing I can do. I’m prepared to move forward, to trust myself and watch this all play out, because the truth WILL come out one day. I’m prepared to let go of people and keep my distance because in the long run they could become very dangerous to me, they’re getting that brainwashed!

418809 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #988 of 1944 🔗

Well said, I am making preparations for cutting all ties along exactly the same lines. Our own flesh and blood will gladly turn us in to the authorities. It’s happened in every totalitarian state in history. No reason to think it won’t happen here.

418837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #989 of 1944 🔗

1984 The State enrols all children in the Spies, and Child Heroes are fêted for denouncing their parents..

418808 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #990 of 1944 🔗

Thinking about your comment though it is actually quite a good suggestion, if people said they will only have a vaccine if there is a categoric (even legal) statement thats states there will be no measures including passports, negative tests and goodness knows what, it may have some influence.

Of course if achieved then no one needs to have the vaccine unless they want to!

I know there is too much optimism though in my thoughts.

418801 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Katabasis, 4, #991 of 1944 🔗

I’ve not had the equivalent of that. But I have had a refusal to simply look at the indisputable numbers rather than the given narrative.

418811 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Katabasis, 5, #992 of 1944 🔗

Funny how the ‘covid deniers’ are the ones that bother to look at the facts, isn’t it?

418886 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, #993 of 1944 🔗

Good point, Sam.

It’s true – the actual deniers are those who turn away from basic factual information – which has always been the basis of what I and many others argue – the exaggerations, the unsupported NPIs etc. etc.

418753 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to RickH, 3, #994 of 1944 🔗

Feel your pain, mate. Mr H saw his side of the family fleetingly in the summer last year. We had a small gathering outside at the beach. Normally they’re all so opinionated but now they are all on board with the narrative. They know we think differently and they really DON’T like it. It was actually quite strange. We have done so much research we can back up our arguments every which way. They were, it seemed, too frightened to mention the dreaded C-word, should they get shouted down by us, I sort of felt. But still as a “mob” they had the upper hand. No logical, rational conversation was to be had. It was all rather stilted and un-natural, avoiding the “elephant in the room.” or on the beach, as it was.

418763 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 9, #995 of 1944 🔗

Makes you realise how relatively trivial the Brexit divide was, that seemed so all consuming at the time.

418792 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 4, #996 of 1944 🔗

Well – we can agree on that. And, of course the major difference was that it was argued about in a normal way. What is truly frightening is the imposed censorship embedding itself into voluntary discussion.

418693 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 10, #997 of 1944 🔗

Shifting goal posts. This is what you get when Government policy is based on Predictive reasonable worst case scenario computer modelling (the gift that keeps on giving) and advice from ‘dark arts’ behavioural psychologists (who big up the gift that keeps on giving)..Johnson, you are the PM.. stop abdicating responsibility ffs, grow a pair.

418716 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to yohodi, 14, #998 of 1944 🔗

We need to stop referring to this piece of shit as Prime Minister. He is an enemy combatant of an occupying power. A Quisling traitor, pure and simple.

418725 ▶▶▶ yohodi, replying to Richard O, 2, #999 of 1944 🔗

Psst!..I know..

418726 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Richard O, 2, #1000 of 1944 🔗

I like the term ‘FIFTH COLUMNIST’………

418696 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #1001 of 1944 🔗

I cannot understand why the NHS insists on saying things like Dexamethasone is the current best drugb treatment as in ATL link by Toby above when there are far more.effective treatments available.
Dexamethasone – 50 % effective.
Invermectin -70% effective – https://c19ivermectin.com
Budesonide inhaler -90% effective
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/10/medical-trial-cheap-asthma-inhalers-90-reduction-in-severe-covid-symptoms/

These more effective cheap drugs have been proven in multiple RCTs and would dramatically lower the death rate.
Is a ” beneficial crisis” the real reason the NHS is content to slow roll the cheapest and most effective treatment?

418710 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #1002 of 1944 🔗

News from Belgium.

”Belgian Virologist Proposes Plan to Eradicate COVID-19 in 6 Weeks Using Ivermectin” (Perhaps they’ll have him sectioned.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLL5FEpRtEA

418761 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1003 of 1944 🔗

But big pharma don’t like ”cheap” or ”effective” and they’re the ones with the power.

418789 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #1004 of 1944 🔗

I have said this before and I will say it again. I had swine flu of something horrible back in 2009. I really was drowning in gunk and wheezy as hell. I had a blast on my Ventolin and the relief was instant and durable. Breathing was OK again. Ventolin works reall really well for this kind of thing.

418701 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #1005 of 1944 🔗

I just watched it again – so had to share it once more. The excellent Alan Jones of Sky News Australia interviewing the also excellent Adam Creighton, and AC’s article.

”Too many incentives for over-reaction…”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJz0lPnfVw0

https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/02/16/covid-and-the-political-economy-of-mass-hysteria/

419605 ▶▶ gina, replying to Banjones, #1006 of 1944 🔗

yeah – its great.

418711 wendyk, 5, #1007 of 1944 🔗

Another offering from the joyous land of Sturgeonia: ‘stay at home’ is now our latest commandment.

At the end of Feb, She Who Must Be Obeyed will cautiously consider allowing us to share a public bench with a friend- provided we keep our distance- go out more than once and possibly, just possibly, indulge in such reckless revolutionary behaviour as visiting the library.(Providing of course, that borrowing library books is demoted from lethal to risky but allowed subject to guidance.)

The libraries have been closed for weeks now.

Of course, this will depend on whether R, cases, infections, tests -take your pick
-fall below the square root of minus one, a convenient imaginary number.

Meanwhile, not content with threatening to close the border again- can she actually do this?- she has prepared a roadmap for the latest neverendum, even though Scotland is now more or less entirely reliant on dosh from Westmonster, hotel quarantines are confusing and not working too well, and she is facing the latest he said/ she said Salmond revelations .

418722 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 11, #1008 of 1944 🔗

Do you remember how we were told that there was going to be a roll out of smart meters and that everyone was going to have one? Do you remember how we were later told that they wouldn’t be mandatory? This is a similar thing (with health fear mongering thrown in).

I remember writing an email through a website called IIRC “Stopsmartmeters” or something like that – this email went to every power company CEO to tell them I did not consent to this.

Perhaps we need something like that now, but with all the CEOs of retail companies and airlines. Tell them NO we do not consent to having a vaccine, no we do not consent to a vaccine “passport” or anthing like it. I managed not to have a smart meter in my house – I just said no.

Thoughts?

418770 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 3, #1009 of 1944 🔗
418804 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1010 of 1944 🔗

Freedomtaker has some pretty useful stuff – a form letter suitable for the UK could be produced, and sent in advance to your GP, for example, to register your disapproval and maybe make them think.

418914 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1011 of 1944 🔗

Miriaf has some great posts on her blog. Highly recommended.

418783 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to this is my username, 3, #1012 of 1944 🔗

There’ll be a lot of bullying to get people to accept this poison. Many are doing it because they’re fearful (thinking they’ll DIE if they get the virus) and others because they think it’s the only way they’ll be allowed to travel. Probably the ten-year prison sentence will be used for lying about not having the ”vaccine” in order to scare people even more.

If there are enough of us who can stand firm then we might influence companies, airlines, etc, by threatening to withdraw our custom. But the government is giving them subsidies to roll out their own mandates, or so we read a day or so ago, while denying their own plans to roll out ”passport” requirements.

418797 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Banjones, 3, #1013 of 1944 🔗

There was also a subsidy for smart meters I believe, but the roll out has been a general failure. I realise they are different because the smart meters are not something that they can try to terrorise people to have, but still, a large number of people do not want to have them.

418815 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to this is my username, 4, #1014 of 1944 🔗

In the dry summer of 2018 we were watering our neighbours’ garden at the same time as ours because they have a smartmeter and we haven’t. MW

418820 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to this is my username, 1, #1015 of 1944 🔗

Of course, they were just a method used to coerce people. Perhaps another, better, one came along, so the smart meter ploy was dropped.

418870 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to this is my username, 3, #1016 of 1944 🔗

I am fully capable of reading my meter accurately and on time, and of submitting the reading. I am also capable of calculating my bill precisely and working out costs from new suppliers without relying on their quotes. I do not need their intrusive, faulty, controlling device in my home. Rant over, thank you.

418827 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #1017 of 1944 🔗

I sometimes wish that all the ex-humans who are so convinced they are going to DIE would just go and do it.

418862 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, #1018 of 1944 🔗

It’s that bad, we could all die tomorrow! I’ve been saying that for a year, now…

418727 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 4, #1019 of 1944 🔗

There will be a new virus/variant/whatever in maximum 7 days after GE. Because lockdowns are forever!

418735 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to TheClone, 2, #1020 of 1944 🔗

I’ll send you a couple of Norwegian variants …

418732 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1021 of 1944 🔗

Got a non-answer back from the MHRA for my questions:

I received a document titled “COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BioNTech BNT162b2, 5’capped mRNA encoding full length SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein” by the European medicines Agency.

In it it states:

“ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 are novel excipients, not previously used in an approved drug product within EU.”

Question 1 – has there been any studies done on the vaccine ingredient ALC-0315 and it’s effects on the human body? If so please supply the study.

Question 2 – has there been any studies done on the vaccine ingredient ALC-0159 and it’s effects on the human body? If so please supply the study.

Question 3 – Are ALC-0315 and ALC 0159 licensed for use in the UK? If so please supply the relevant documentation and the safety studies that support it’s use.

PART 1:

Thank you for your email which is no longer being dealt with under FOI.

The authorisation of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines was done through an expedited rolling review. A ‘rolling review’ can be used to complete the assessment of a promising medicine or vaccine during a public health emergency in the shortest time possible. This is done as the packages of data become available from ongoing studies on a staggered basis. The temporary authorisation under Regulation 174 permits the supply of identified vaccine batches, based on the safety, quality and efficacy data submitted to MHRA. These authorisations do not constitute a marketing authorisation.

All vaccines are tested through three phases of clinical trials to ensure they meet the gold standard. Phase 1 trials are with a small group of people to make sure there are no safety concerns and determines the appropriate dosage for the best immune response. Phase 2 trials are conducted on a larger group of people to check the vaccine works consistently and that the immune response is sufficient. Phase 3 trials test the vaccines on thousands of people for scientists to assess if the vaccine is producing immunity that will prevent disease. Usually, these phases are run in sequence, but in an effort to find a safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine as quickly as possible, once safety has been ascertained through Phase 1, Phases 2 and 3 are being run in parallel. Extensive checks and balances are required at every stage of the development of a vaccine, and this is no different for a Covid-19 vaccine. No stages in the vaccine development processes were bypassed.

Information on the study conducted using the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and its results are available in a peer-reviewed journal, the New England Journal of Medicine. A link to this is provided below:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=featured_home

The approval for use of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines in the UK followed a rigorous scientific assessment of all the available evidence of quality, safety and effectiveness by the UK regulator, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). The MHRA expert scientists and clinicians reviewed data from the laboratory pre-clinical studies, clinical trials, manufacturing and quality controls, product sampling and testing of the final vaccine, and also considered the conditions for its safe supply and distribution. The decision was made with advice from the Commission on Human Medicines (CHM), the government’s independent expert scientific advisory body. Regarding the MHRA approval of the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines, further information (including information for healthcare practitioners and recipients of the vaccine, and Public Assessment Reports for each vaccine) are available on the MHRA website. Links to these are provided below:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

The PAR for the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine contains analyses of the non-clinical data submitted for the excipients ALC-0315 and ALC-0159.

418733 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1022 of 1944 🔗

PART 2:

Further to the above, the Moderna vaccine has also recently been authorised for use. Further information on this is provided below:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-moderna

Throughout this global pandemic, we have always been guided by the latest scientific advice. Having studied evidence on both the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has advised that we should prioritise giving as many people in at-risk groups their first dose, rather than providing two doses in as short a time as possible.

The four UK Chief Medical Officers agree with JCVI that at this stage of the pandemic prioritising the first doses of vaccine for as many people as possible on the priority list will protect the greatest number of at risk people overall in the shortest possible time and will have the greatest impact on reducing mortality, severe disease and hospitalisations and in protecting the NHS and equivalent health services.

This is because the evidence shows that one dose of either vaccine provides a high level of protection from Covid-19.

For both vaccines, data provided to MHRA demonstrate that whilst efficacy is optimised when a second dose is administered both offer considerable protection after a single dose, at least in the short term. For both vaccines the second dose completes the course and is likely to be important for longer term protection.

The NHS across the UK will prioritise giving the first dose of the vaccine to those in the most high-risk groups. Everyone will still receive their second dose and this will be within 12 weeks of their first. The second dose completes the course and is important for longer-term protection.

The JCVI’s independent advice is that this approach will maximise the benefits of both vaccines allowing the NHS to help the greatest number of people in the shortest possible time. It will ensure that more at-risk people are able to get meaningful protection from a vaccine in the coming weeks and months, reducing deaths and starting to ease pressure on our NHS.

The following Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) webpage for the independent report ‘Optimising the COVID-19 vaccination programme for maximum short-term impact’ from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) provides the rationale for the government’s implemented dosing strategy:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/prioritising-the-first-covid-19-vaccine-dose-jcvi-statement/optimising-the-covid-19-vaccination-programme-for-maximum-short-term-impact

Further, the scientific basis from the JCVI concerning the current evidence on efficacy after single doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech, Oxford/AstraZeneca and Moderna vaccines is available in the public domain and is provided below:
https://www.cas.mhra.gov.uk/ViewandAcknowledgment/ViewAttachment.aspx?Attachment_id=103741

418736 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #1023 of 1944 🔗

My reply:

Why was my request not done under FOI?

It was a request for information that should be held and publicly available on request.

Instead you sent me a few links that do not supply any of the information asked for, a link to a statistical analysis (similar to many others) that can be interpreted any way you want and certainly does not “prove” the “vaccine” works as claimed and has been analysed by independent researchers and found to be flawed in it’s conclusion and some information on the prioritising of who to give the “vaccines” to (and who were not included in the manufacturer’s pitiful small and quick safety study)

Phase 1 trials were pitiful to say the least. Pfizer refuse to release any information until 2023 from what I understand so the MHRA have no “safety” information from them prior to the vaccination programme being started.

Or do you? If so please supply a copy of the information Pfizer supplied the MHRA prior to the emergency use approval being given.

Phase 2 trials are currently on-going on the general population and is showing an adverse effect on the health and wellbeing of many of those included in this trial not just in this country but wherever a mass vaccination programme has been rolled out – Gibraltar, Israel, California and the UAE for example – and Government’s refusal to acknowledge or investigate if there are any links between, for example, vulnerable care home residents receiving a vaccine dose and the subsequent rise in positive tests for coronavirus and increased deaths within the same group.

Phase 3 trial will not finish for many years – maybe 10 or 20 years more.

Other than that you seem to quote direct from the manufacturer’s statements about how great their vaccines will make everything.

And as for the JCVI or GAVI etc and out CMOs taking their advice as our CMO and CSO and many others in the decision making are known to be in the pay of vaccine manufacturers and pharmaceutical companies and they have large personal investments in these companies their decision making cannot be construed in anyway as independent nor unbiased.

418805 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1024 of 1944 🔗

Well said.

418818 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 3, #1025 of 1944 🔗

The fundamental problem is that the MHRA has shown itself to be another government agency, not an independent regulator.

The referee is employed by one side in the game.

418841 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #1026 of 1944 🔗

Yeah, I skimmed their response and could tell even from that it was cut and paste to say “these are approved therefore safe”

419386 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1027 of 1944 🔗

Essentially they have refused your request. Here you go!

https://www.foi.directory/how-to-complain-about-an-foi-request/

Stick at it. Good Luck.
AG

418781 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1028 of 1944 🔗

Indeed no phases of trials are missed – phase 3 being enacted on the entire population if all goes to plan .

418740 Cheezilla, 2, #1029 of 1944 🔗

I thought Dolores Cahill was to be on Panorama last night but she seems to have been replaced by the infamous Liam Smeeth!

Here’s a review from Hugo Talks – who clearly has a much stronger stomach than me!
https://youtu.be/vC6-u10rYmQ
Thanks, Hugo, for gritting your teeth and taking one for the team.

418748 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #1030 of 1944 🔗

JHUNTZ

In case you missed the link about employers being able to force you (or not) to get the ”vaccine”. I haven’t watched it – I hope it’s useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOl2xxF0Wgo

419466 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Banjones, #1031 of 1944 🔗

Thank you, ill watch it!

418754 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 17, #1032 of 1944 🔗

Fun-loving libertarian??? Reading this in the update and some of the comments below praising today’s offering (!) and posters’ claims that Toby Young ‘founded this network’ or should be asked to set-up an underground movement make we wonder whether I’ve entered yet another parallel universe. Obviously not as toxic as as the one where masked Zombie Zealots of the Cult stalk the land but perhaps coming dangerously close as expecting TY to take any kind of lead in dissidence approaches delusion. At best it’s a waste of energy.

The reality? Toby Young is a mainstream journalist who may well be ‘covering his arse’ with his Tory mates. Given ‘fun-loving’ Johnson’s track-record in colluding with the likes of Darius Guppy to get a journalist beaten-up, this may be a prudent move on TY’s part. I believe TY’s desire to be ‘inside the tent pissing out’ is why above-the-line posts rarely get beyond ‘why-o-whyery’ and now, increasingly, ‘We’ve had the vaccine, why is Boris moving the goalposts?’

Oh please! TY has never made any secret of his unwillingness to rock the boat – remember when he told a radio interviewer that he ‘bats away’ anyone on here who spouts ‘Bill Gates crap’? The fact that he didn’t actually do that doesn’t alter the fact that he still clings to his ‘panic and incompetence’ line against all the evidence.

Lockdown Sceptics is a great online meeting place but we are the network. It was not ‘set-up’. The blog was and, in fairness, it has attracted some good content. Some is now past tense e.g. Mike Yeadon, thanks to Toby Young’s public betrayal of his work.

Without our daily dialogue it would be nothing and if we weren’t here we’d be somewhere else. I increasingly wonder if that time has come. MW

418777 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1033 of 1944 🔗

“Without our daily dialogue it would be nothing and if we weren’t here we’d be somewhere else. I increasingly wonder if that time has come.”

Dead on!

418839 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #1034 of 1944 🔗

Have mixed feelings about TY, he’s done good things to defend free speech, however i’m no advocate of paying for free speech insurance, that’s a dangerous path to follow.

I don’t think it’s a secret TY is the very definition of middle class establishment, I doubt it was ever his intention to cause waves (pardon the pun) rather than a ripple. I thank Yeadon for his valuable contribution, but I think he underestimated things a little & was perhaps a little to blasé.

I’m glad to see TY today, anything is better than the drivel Jonathon Barr was producing. I can only hope LS has been vaccinated against his return. The one good thing about this blog is it (so far at least) has allowed like-minded sceptics to indulge in free & controversial opinion sharing! There aren’t many places to go to, where we are able to do that.

419042 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1035 of 1944 🔗

As I said above how about The Real Lockdown Sceptics meet on Telegram Channel? That’s where the Great Reopening is.

419159 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Pebbles, 1, #1036 of 1944 🔗

I’m a social media sceptic, anywhere that insists on recording personal data is boycotted. Anonymity is freedom.

418755 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 14, #1037 of 1944 🔗

Vaxhim Zaharwi has said that social distancing MAY be personal choice after lockdown. The logic here is that it MAY not. No words.

418764 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Niborxof, 29, #1038 of 1944 🔗

If others wish to SD and wear masks, be my guest. What I do not consent to is telling me that I must SD and wear a mask.

418766 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1039 of 1944 🔗

So don’t! MW

418803 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1040 of 1944 🔗

Me too

418816 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1041 of 1944 🔗

That was governments no1 mistake in this shit show, making anything mandatory, has caused irreparable damage to society. The question is, was that the intention.

418836 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1042 of 1944 🔗

Yeah, mistake probably not the right word.

418773 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Niborxof, 5, #1043 of 1944 🔗

He means that the intention is that it become reflexive law, i.e. a custom that’s self-policed by social pressure.

418784 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Niborxof, 5, #1044 of 1944 🔗

Maybe he doesn’t realise it is not law!

418796 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Niborxof, 3, #1045 of 1944 🔗

Is that Yuguv Zaharwi? Perhaps he could organise a poll, to see how many people want to go back to hugging.

418799 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Banjones, 2, #1046 of 1944 🔗

Yes Youguv was his maiden name

418989 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Niborxof, #1047 of 1944 🔗

my favourite joke today

418810 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Niborxof, 2, #1048 of 1944 🔗

It’s doubly deceptive : it’s voluntary now.

418823 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 2, #1049 of 1944 🔗

Voluntary tyranny,

418858 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Niborxof, 3, #1050 of 1944 🔗

Remember the FOI answer from the Governemnt legal Department last week:

The term “social distancing” is not used in legislation.

and

There is no legislation on the legal status of guidance or guidelines.

418880 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Awkward Git, #1051 of 1944 🔗

Yes understood and thank you for the reminder. It seems like nothing dressed as a concession. Fake concessions only needed so that the propergandised population can be handed them over the never ending easing of all the restrictions as tit bits.

418756 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 14, #1052 of 1944 🔗

Here is what the world’s biggest hypocrite and megalomaniac ever forgot to mention in his new ‘book’:
He continues to live his lifestyle and intends upon continuing to do so by offseting his gigantic carbon footprint through paying 7million$ p.a. to some, likely dubious, schemes.
He expects us to change ours, accepts if not wants the ruin and death of billions in that wake and charge us a fortune for that privilege too.
The point is: the equivalent charge that someone should pay per year for keeping their lifestyle by offsetting it in a similar dimension as Bill Gates (not offsetting for his far larger footprint) is just 70$p.a. for each million of assets you own (withG/due Gates being worth 100bln$ and paying 7mln$).
I’ be fine with that fee.
If he shuts up for good.

418807 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JayBee, 11, #1053 of 1944 🔗

I’m tempted to follow the trend of late to respond with a 4-letter word beginning with C, but I won’t.

Fact is theory is becoming reality the time is NOW for sceptics to unite & organize to stop this globalist agenda before its to late, we need new fresh political leadership. And that’s a very difficult thing to say for a libertarian. We must stop a tiny minority of nihilistic Billionaires dictating the futures of billions of people, for the sake of our children & species.

There’s a very quick way to bring down these psychopaths, the consumer is king, don’t deal with large corporations, it won’t be convenient, but it will be effective. Saying no to their vaccine is saying no to their corporate power! Saying no to Microsoft, Mac, Android is saying no to corporate surveillance. Saying no to convenient self-indulgent technology is saying no to corporate power!

418859 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, #1054 of 1944 🔗

the consumer is king

Well – up to a point, Lord Copper.

But ”the consumer” also largely backs the government.

418934 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1055 of 1944 🔗

That’s the problem, & yes we have a culture in this country of abusing the customer. But if you don’t buy corporate crap they will quickly change or die.

And boycotting business pushing political ideology for power isn’t the same as firing someone for having personal political opinions.

418813 GrannySlayer, replying to GrannySlayer, 10, #1057 of 1944 🔗

AnoTHeR DeAdLY STraYne!

Do these fuckers actually know what viruses are?

418819 ▶▶ Julian, replying to GrannySlayer, 4, #1058 of 1944 🔗

They know they are a good way to frighten people into accepting any old nonsense from the govt – no other knowledge needed

418856 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Julian, 2, #1059 of 1944 🔗

Yes, Julian, they are one of the totems that the pleblic think they understand, like virus (certain death), NHS (infallible), vaccine (silver bullet), death (completely unnatural) and so on.

418821 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #1060 of 1944 🔗

Forwarded message, just in case it hasn’t been posted before.

Luc cafe owner support needed Court date . Give him support
M60 1PR
Crown Square Manchester
Magistrates Court
23/02
11.00am

So far I haven’t heard that he’s reopened. When I do, I’ll be down there for breakfast.

418828 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, 1, #1061 of 1944 🔗

Us too! MW and AG

418857 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1062 of 1944 🔗

That’s the plan!

418834 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 2, #1063 of 1944 🔗

I’ll be there in spirit. We haven’t had it half as bad as these guys but they have my utmost respect for the stand they are taking. Please would you let them know, if you speak with them Mark – thanks kh.

418860 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 1, #1064 of 1944 🔗

Will do. It’s a small place so will def be talking to him, but he might be rushed off his feet. Or otherwise engaged with state bullies….

418891 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kh1485, #1065 of 1944 🔗

Where in the world is your cafe??

418961 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1066 of 1944 🔗

She an Essex girl (well, that’s where she works anyway).

418843 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Mark, 1, #1067 of 1944 🔗

As kh1485 says please pass on support.

418861 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1068 of 1944 🔗

As above, will do so.

418832 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1069 of 1944 🔗

https://twitter.com/PerpetualValue/status/1361601758305390596?s=20

No surprises here but just more confirmation that PCR has been central to the entire fraud and we are in cover up mode with the move to LFT and the retraction rebuttal from eurosurveillance on the Dorsten paper.

418869 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1070 of 1944 🔗

It took him that long to figure out the more tests = more revenue part. That was obvious from the minute they threw up the symptoms list and didn’t talk about the flu.

418844 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 11, #1071 of 1944 🔗

“Zero Covid” means lockdown forever or at least indefinitely so. NZ gets touted as a success story, but a few positives and Auckland is back in lockdown. And so it goes…

418853 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Waldorf, 4, #1072 of 1944 🔗

Yes indeed – it isn’t a ‘success’ by any recognisable criterion of normality.

418874 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 3, #1073 of 1944 🔗

They are ‘free’ within the walls of their own prison – except when they aren’t

418872 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1074 of 1944 🔗

It means forever, because even if lockdown were to “defeat” the virus, the destruction of the economy and wider society would render your average High Street a dangerous place, as crime will be rife when people don’t have work, money or hope left.

418875 ▶▶ Will, replying to Waldorf, #1075 of 1944 🔗

Has NZ started vaccinations yet?

418876 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 2, #1076 of 1944 🔗

will be interesting when they do.

418884 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1077 of 1944 🔗

Take a look at this NZ site:

http://www.voicesforfreedom.co.nz

There are plenty of people there who feel as we do. Just because it’s held up as a success story doesn’t mean many of the residents feel the same way. This is well worth a look, especially the ‘blog’ page.

418847 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 6, #1078 of 1944 🔗

I think Allen somewhat idealises the WW2 British. Many were tough and austere by today’s standards, but wartime morale was not always that great and there were spivs and profiteers.

419002 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1079 of 1944 🔗

True, but the government wasn’t on the side of spivs, or profiteers, or Nazis.

418851 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1080 of 1944 🔗

Just another one, maybe two, strains now, before The Emperor’s New Virus and we start again.

418879 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1081 of 1944 🔗

Ivor Cummins made a good point the other day – those who know say that the virus mutates around the world at about the same rate at the same time. So just because a ”variant” happens to be found in, say SA, it doesn’t mean there aren’t other similar variants coming into being in other parts of the world.
(I think I’ve described that correctly……?)

And it was the chief epidemiologist of WHO who said, not long ago, that although mutations are more transmissible, they’re less aggressive and harmful. Makes sense, doesn’t it?

419071 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, #1082 of 1944 🔗

You’ve reflected what Ivor Cummins said perfectly. I listened to it too and it made perfect sense. It’s misleading to talk about variants as if they’ve come from some single defined geographic area. Attempting to draw a direct link between a variant case occurring in, say, Essex and a supposed outbreak in Brazil is a red herring and unnecessary. The virus is just following the normal pattern and that is why there have been more than 4000 variants since this time last year, none of which warranted a mention until we were on the cusp of rolling out vaccines. I wonder why!

I heard an item on the BBC radio news a few days ago in which it was reported that some variant had been found in a person who had claimed to have followed all the rules and had no connection with anyone from the ‘variant area of origin’. The closing line on the news report was that “the person was being questioned further about their claim”. It really was sinister, the implication being that they must be lying and were being taken in for interrogation!

419087 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Banjones, 2, #1083 of 1944 🔗

Absolutely- viruses don’t want you dead because it would end their reign of terror- they have to leave you just well enough to get out and pass it on – it’s how they roll..

418854 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1084 of 1944 🔗

I have today encountered a moment of extreme grossness I will describe but be warned to turn away if snot and the spraying of it turns your stomach.

Busy minding my own business I was walking along a busy footpath beside a ribbon of relatively busy shops. Being Feburary, there was a gusting wind and low sun, towards which I was walking.

All of a sudden, ahead of me an elderly green grocer rushed from his shop, yanked his mask down and doubled over in the worlds biggest and wettest sneeze. Silhouetted as the man was against the low sun it was my unfortunate luck to bear witness to the full contents of the mans head as it was expelled and vapourized in a huge cloud – exactly as seen in covid fearmongering adverts, a cubed 6 foot easily.

Happily, a gusting vortex of wind took hold of the payload and carried it off into the roads, up and away from your hero, me.

After a quick drag of the forearm across his mouth and nose area the mask was hoisted back into place and he was back in business helping his wife stack the broccoli.

You may take your own corona masking morals from the story, I have learned my suspicion of that particular green grocer is well founded and steering clear a wise and healthy choice. I have also a new reference for the pricelessness of wind, long may it blow.

418863 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Basics, 4, #1085 of 1944 🔗

But, but, he was wearing a mask – that makes him a hero! /sarc

418873 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basics, 6, #1086 of 1944 🔗

Even given the clue that their specs steam up doesn’t seem to register with the muzzled.

418878 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Basics, 8, #1087 of 1944 🔗

Please accept 100 upticks – that made me laugh. Moral of the story – be very careful of vegetables, whether plants or humans.

418999 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 3, #1088 of 1944 🔗

So perish all maskoids. Or sneeze, at least.
That may be unjust, however. I know quite a few shopkeepers who loathe face knickers but daren’t take them off, for fear of snitches.

419088 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Annie, #1089 of 1944 🔗

Absolutely independents are best

418865 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #1090 of 1944 🔗

I am very surprised that this petition has only garnered 11,000 signatures and has been fairly static for the past few weeks.
After the vaccine roll-out to high risk groups, remove ALL covid-19 restrictions” https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564347

The other one is growing more quickly:
”Do not roll out vaccine passports”
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

418974 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Banjones, 1, #1091 of 1944 🔗

That’s because the first involves the vaccines as the carrot on the stick which many object to – rightly so, as the vaccine is a distraction too from the coup d’état….

419021 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Pebbles, #1092 of 1944 🔗

Ah, yes. Good point. Thank you.

I often wonder about these petitions though. Of course, we know they do little, because there’s always a statement from the government which is nothing more than patronising twaddle after ten thousand signatures. But the one about ”nullifying NHS gagging orders” hasn’t moved much around 2,600 for weeks, which surprises me. But perhaps I’m missing something there too!

419036 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Banjones, #1093 of 1944 🔗

Rest assured the 77th Brigade et al is tempering with them…

418867 Alkanet, 12, #1094 of 1944 🔗

Re. Smartphones (and other app capable devices), surely the answer is to do as I always have and not take them out with you. I’ve never understood why, except in a very few circumstances, anyone would want to be disturbed whilst away from home – plus in an emergency situation virtually everyone else will have a mobile although probably using it to photograph the accident rather than calling an ambulance. On the occasions I’ve accidentally left it in my pocket I’ve been asked to review places that I’d not even realised that I’d passed by – that was enough to teach me not to facilitate monitoring by others and that merely changing the settings was no guarantee of stopping this covert observation.

418903 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #1096 of 1944 🔗

Keep your ears open , your eyes open . You’re being distracted. You’re being misled. We need this country open . We need our pubs open . If you’re terrified, stay indoors. Get 14 vaccines. You be scared in your own lounge. Let us get out there.

Katie Hopkins tells the hard truths yet again.

Another one of the very few public figures who have stood firm when the test came.

418885 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1097 of 1944 🔗

Some suggetsions for a theme tune:

In the land of the pig the butcher is king – Meatloaf

Don’t Bother Me – The Beatles

Alone – Judas Priest

418954 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, #1098 of 1944 🔗

Haha Good idea. how about:

Is This the World We Created? – Queen

Life is a Lemon & I Want my Money Back – Meatloaf

Out Ta Get Me – Guns N’ Roses

(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction – The Rolling Stones

You’ve Lost that Lovin’ Feeling – Righteous Brothers

Free As a Bird – The Beatles

418888 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 19, #1099 of 1944 🔗

Don’t know if this has been posted on here but this is the latest from Michael O’Bernica

After yet more damning evidence arose last week, further additions had to be made to the court papers, which we are now aiming to lay in the coming week. The four defendants will be Matt Hancock, Chris Whitty, Patrick Vallance and Neil Ferguson, each of whom has inextricable and ultimately incriminating connections with Bill Gates and Big Pharma.
As well as three counts of fraud by false representation and seven counts of fraud by non-disclosure, under sections 2 and 3 of the Fraud Act 2006, we can now also prove that the entire worldwide scamdemic originated on these shores.
In fact, we can show that, without the dishonest statements and non-disclosures of the four defendants we are initially proceeding against, COVID-1984 would not have transpired.

I reallly hope he’s up to the job of pulling this off.

418902 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1100 of 1944 🔗

I posted Hancock, Whitty, Vallance & Ferguson Stand Accused of Pandemic Fraud last night, I can only hope he’s better at law than building websites.

418950 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1101 of 1944 🔗

He’s been ‘laying papers before the courts in the next week’ for 6 months now

418889 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #1102 of 1944 🔗

“Covid: Extra 1.7m vulnerable added to shielding list”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56086965

I think their plan is to release all restrictions but put all 67 million of us on the shielding list

418898 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to steve_w, 4, #1103 of 1944 🔗

So the NHS is going to be under even more so called pressure then as a lot of their staff are overweight.

418905 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cumbriacracked, 7, #1104 of 1944 🔗

local NHS looks like pub Sumo

418986 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 2, #1105 of 1944 🔗

Fat chance.

418890 EssieSW, replying to EssieSW, 21, #1106 of 1944 🔗

Apparently people of girth are going to be sent a letter telling them to shield, along with people of certain ethnicity and deprivation based on an f’ing model (what else) developed to take into account a person’s risk of becoming ill with bat flu using data from people who died during the first wave.

So they are (apparently) going to start lifting restrictions next month and allow for outdoor sport etc, but are going to ask over weight people to shield, and therefore not be able to go out for some exercise in order to lose weight?

What in fresh hell…

418895 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to EssieSW, 11, #1107 of 1944 🔗

Deregister from the NHS. I would literally rather rot in a ditch, dying of whatever, than go anywhere near an NHS facility again!

418927 ▶▶▶ OpenYourEyes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1108 of 1944 🔗

Can this be done?

418969 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to OpenYourEyes, #1109 of 1944 🔗

Sure, why not…. you still gotta pay for it though.

419147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, #1110 of 1944 🔗

Do ya? I’ve recently opted out of organ donors Reg, was hassle but free, i don’t get hassle by my GP because i’m not registered with one LOL.

418901 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to EssieSW, 5, #1111 of 1944 🔗

There is nothing wrong in principle in government or its agencies advising people to shield in my view, as long as the shielding is entirely voluntary. I get advised to do stuff all the time by the NHS but happily ignore it. Obesity is clearly a major death risk factor with Covid. All the statistical analysis supports that and you only need to look at the pics of most people who die aged below 60 to see the truth of that (though MSM often try to cover it up with wedding photos from 20 years ago). I think there should be TV ads spelling it out and scaring the obese into slimming down rather than scaring the whole population.

418909 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to OKUK, 2, #1112 of 1944 🔗

Yes, I have no problem with this if it were to lead to removal of restrictions for the rest of us (some hope!). Isn’t this focussed protection?

418980 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Charlie Blue, #1113 of 1944 🔗

It’s rather a thin story isn’t it?

418910 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to OKUK, 2, #1114 of 1944 🔗

It just seems backwards that they are trying to discourage people who should be spending time outside to lose weight and get fresh air etc, to stay at home. But none of this makes any sense does it!

418933 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to EssieSW, 3, #1115 of 1944 🔗

Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but I would guess that only a small number of those at risk due to obesity would find their rigorous exercise programme interrupted by shielding. And, of course, they still have the option to exercise if they wish.

418947 ▶▶▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1116 of 1944 🔗

Haha yes, it’s just on the face of it asking obese people to limit their exercise when obesity puts you at a higher risk of complications of covid seems backwards.

I guess it would be the perfect excuse if receiving a letter to not do any exercise!

419008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to EssieSW, 4, #1117 of 1944 🔗

I totally agree. The threat of covid started me exercising this time last year. I decided that I was not going to bloody well succumb to that, of all things (little did I know that I’d already had it, pretty badly but not remotely near hospitalisation). It took a few months but eventually I got into the habit, and after a few ups and downs, when they shut my gym in November I was determined that they weren’t going to stop me getting healthy. I am now more than 20kg lighter, mainly just to spite the government and the NHS, so they can’t use me as a fucking statistic. And it’s great; I highly recommend losing a bit of weight if you’re carrying more than you’d like. It makes a world of difference. But I can totally see how Old Fat Me would have rationalised this- “well if I can only go outside once a day, I’m going to use that excursion to do my shopping, aren’t I, and anyway I can only exercise from my front door, who seriously wants to do laps of the block they live on?”. New Me thinks this is all bollocks so I drive out of my city to beautiful places and run 10 miles while barely seeing another soul.

419017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to landt2020, 2, #1118 of 1944 🔗

Well done mate – sadly I’ve gone a little in the other direction. I’ve trained almost every day for most of my adult life and despite putting together a pretty functional home gym in the garage the sheer level of depression and frustration has resulted in me slacking off significantly some weeks.

419047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to Katabasis, 1, #1119 of 1944 🔗

Don’t let them get you down- generating some endorphins now appears to be an act of resistance!

Depression is an arse though, so if you’re dealing with that, hang in there and I hope it soon leaves you be.

419092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to landt2020, #1120 of 1944 🔗

Well done. Your comment “mainly to spite the government and the NHS” is great!

Of course all of this goes back to NHS advice to eat low sugar and low fat. There must be a direct correlation between the increase in so called low fat/low sugar convenience foods which are packed full of artificial sweeteners and the increase in type 2 diabetes and obesity. Good fats are good for people. Unintended consequences maybe but still a consequence.

The sugar tax will also increase obesity and diabetes in the future as all the maufacturers did was increase artificial sugars to get around the tax. Just as with coronavirus people fell fo it.

419057 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to EssieSW, #1121 of 1944 🔗

No gym or exercise centre I have seen in London has been open. I do see a fair number of mostly youngish and generally fit-looking people jogging. One slightly chubby man I saw today was daring the elements and the dread contagion somewhat. He wore a wool cap like a large tea cosy, but otherwise just had on a navy blue T-shirt and red shorts.

418919 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to OKUK, 9, #1122 of 1944 🔗

I agree everything should be voluntary, I would happily accept people do whatever they want to do as long as they accept I will do whatever I want. It really isn’t difficult to understand and yet those who are wielding the power really struggle with basic facts.

I have been watching some of the world ski ing championships, downhill racers reach in excess of 70mph during a race one slip and serious injury or death can occur and does quite frequently, yet as soon as the race finishes they put a mask on. Do people really think coronavirus is more risky than racing down a hill at high speed?

418983 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1123 of 1944 🔗

Yes.It’s a weird form of doublethink. Like my riding instructor, thinks nothing of getting on an unfamiliar, rearing, plunging, half-broken horse, but terrified at the mere thought of a covviesnuffle. She’s in her mid-thirties.

419060 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, #1124 of 1944 🔗

An inability to assess risk realistically has been visible throughout this.

419072 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Annie, 1, #1125 of 1944 🔗

Yes it is very strange. I ride horses too, I can fully guarantee the risk of injury to me from that compared to a virus is very much in favour of the horse!

Doublethink is a good phrase to use thank you Annie. Through fear of repeating myself yet again, I just cannot understand how these people do not see how they do not see the irony in their actions and thoughts.

418918 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to EssieSW, 1, #1126 of 1944 🔗

Will they march large units back home?

418929 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to EssieSW, 1, #1127 of 1944 🔗

Keep the blobbies indoors! They’ve got the fattie virus, for which their is no vaccine.

419015 ▶▶▶ landt2020, replying to PatrickF, #1128 of 1944 🔗

Actually, as Sarah Vine detailed in the DM last week, there is a vaccine…

But I disagree, get the fatties outside and show them that a bit of movement in the sun is a Good Thing and everyone benefits.

Yours sincerely, a former fatty.

418951 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to EssieSW, 4, #1129 of 1944 🔗

people of girth


Brilliant.

418972 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to kh1485, 1, #1130 of 1944 🔗

Unfortunately I cannot take credit for that one, it is a phrase used by Titania McGrath (aka Andrew Doyle) which I have now pilfered

https://t.co/jdHKpEG04p ” / Twitter

418985 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to EssieSW, 1, #1131 of 1944 🔗

I still like ‘circumferentially challenged’.

419032 ▶▶▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Annie, #1132 of 1944 🔗

Ooh that is a good one

419027 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, #1133 of 1944 🔗

Not The Nine O’Clock News got there first many years ago with its skit on stoutism.

418978 ▶▶ Annie, replying to EssieSW, #1134 of 1944 🔗

They can sit at home and slim.

418979 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to EssieSW, #1135 of 1944 🔗

Don’t forget those who will have to shield due to being in the wrong postcode – ie deprived area (I kid you not)

418894 Anti_socialist, #1136 of 1944 🔗

I just found a twat I’VE HAD THE VACCINE | MOATS EP 87 socialist & you wonder what I’ve got against socialism.

418896 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 8, #1137 of 1944 🔗

(BJ) he stressed his belief that the science was “in the ascendancy”.

He should have said Behavioural Science because last May, 2020, he said that the population of the U.K. would have to undergo significant behavioural change.

… and learn to love and embrace the Green Agenda and Build Back Better. For the Common Good. And Sustainable Development. And enslavement.

418899 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1138 of 1944 🔗

Windows on the World – May 2020 – Global Change – The end of Reality. Minute 15 to 17 scathing description of your PM.
Just called Lady Gaga and Madonna clueless retards. He’s on a roll.

418897 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1139 of 1944 🔗

It’s a dilemma for libertarians. Brexiteer proposes free speech bill to combat ‘cancel culture, deplatforming’ We also need this protection for employees, backed by tribunals (that does sound a bit socialist I know eww).

418965 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1140 of 1944 🔗

I don’t see it as a dilemma. It won’t work, it’ll just make a load more money for fkking lawyers.

418998 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, #1141 of 1944 🔗

I’m very uncomfortable with legislating against cancel culture, but how do we stop it!? Addressing it with political movement will take decades.

419018 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, #1142 of 1944 🔗

Of course you legislate against cancel culture. And you ensure children are taught why free speech is important.

419016 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1143 of 1944 🔗

Agreed.

We need a whole raft of legislative acts to restore and embed free speech. One positive move would be to introduce legal jeopardy for those who seek to suppress another’s free speech e.g. “Anyone found to have unjustly restricted the capacity for an individual to the exercise of their free speech rights shall be liable to a fine of up to £10,000 or a term of imprisonment of not more than one year.” That would give people a lot of people pause before they call for someone to lose their job or for a book publishing contract to be cancelled.

418900 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #1144 of 1944 🔗

ONS has released Deaths Registered Weekly England and Wales for the week ending 5th February 2021.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisionalweekending5february2021

Thought I would have a quick look at the covid labelled deaths from their data split by age group and produced this chart.

Hasn’t been much change in the proportion of covid labelled deaths that have occurred in over 80s (the main group by age for the first experimental ‘vaccines’).

There has been a very slight fall in the proportion of covid deaths in the over 85s in the past week. No change in the 80-84 age group. So overall a slight fall in the over 80s. But it is just a reversal of the increase that happened in the previous 3 weeks.

Certainly if there is any vaccination effect in the 80s in reducing covid labelled deaths then it isn’t data wise obviously detectable from the noise and natural variation (you can see how proportions changed during the April 2020 wave)

The chart is interesting in showing how little covid affects younger age groups and this remains the case despite the BBC scaremongering that covid is affecting younger age groups more.

418906 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1145 of 1944 🔗

Thank you.

418921 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1146 of 1944 🔗

Yes, there doesn’t seem any evidence of the vaccines working – maybe it will take time – maybe they don’t work

Is there any other published work going on in the UK looking at the vaccine efficacy? They must have the data now

419005 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve_w, 4, #1147 of 1944 🔗

They are supposed to confer immunity within 7 days. And average time from Covid symptoms showing to death is 7 days. So. if you’ve vaccinated 2 million of your most vulnerable even if it’s only one shot, giving roughly 50% immunity, you should be seeing an appreciable reduction in Covid deaths within a narrow timescale, given that the vulnerable population produce over 90% of the deaths. This was clearly what the authorities expected to happen.It didn’t happen. We’d already vaccinated over 2 million of the most vulnerable by 10 Jan and yet 17 days later on 27 Jan we recorded over 1700 deaths – one of our worst ever figures.

So “shome mishtake surely” as Bill Deedes used to say.

419160 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to OKUK, 1, #1148 of 1944 🔗

And on this evidence, even if the experimental vaccines worked eventually and were safe (big ifs indeed), by the time anybody new is vaccinated and has protection, the virus will be in full seasonal retreat.

It’s like putting on a cycle helmet after you’ve come back from a ride rather than during it.

419311 ▶▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to OKUK, 1, #1149 of 1944 🔗

But 80 year olds will keep dying anyway. It is hard to see what effect there could be. Flu vaccines have not made any difference either.

419130 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 2, #1150 of 1944 🔗

There does seem to be no attempt to analyse vaccine efficacy or vaccinated vs unvaccinated outcomes, at least none that I’m aware of.

I’d like to see comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. For example a long term study of all doctors (and other medical workers) who have turned down the vaccine vs all those who have had the vaccine would be interesting.

And I would like to see future deaths in care homes monitored against who has been vaccinated and who hasn’t, with some stratification for other risk factors.

I honestly don’t believe they want to find out if the vaccines work, they would prefer to assume they do work and not risk the dangers to them of a study showing they don’t work.

419154 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 1, #1151 of 1944 🔗

My expectation has been that the experimental vaccines might have some affect in stopping deaths being labelled as covid, but not materially if at all reduce the chance of genuine from covid deaths, so a removal of the label rather than removal of death.

It’s not obvious there is yet any evidence of removal of the label.

And this is before short term and potential long term affects of the vaccines are considered.

418926 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1152 of 1944 🔗

And for completeness this is the chart you get if you look at the proportion of all cause deaths that are not labelled as covid (i.e all deaths less covid labelelled deaths).

This one is by date of registration rather than date of occurrence of death (because all cause death by occurrence split by age isn’t in their dataset).

Proportion of non-covid labelled deaths in the over 80s remaining fairly constant over time throughout the winter,

418949 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1153 of 1944 🔗

Looking at ‘Covid deaths’ is only interesting in terms of highlighting the labelling/attribution anomalies.

The actual deaths from Covid-initiated respiratory disease are unknown, and cannot now be otherwise.

418976 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1154 of 1944 🔗

And here are the proportions of all cause deaths by age group over the past 11 years. Had to use different age bands because data previous to 2020 wasn’t split into as many age bands.

You can see the proportions do change a bit through natural variation, and the proportions of deaths in older age groups do increase during the Winter flu/viral season especially in bad seasons and then the proportions in older age groups fall back again.

(note the longer term trends in proportions reflect the changes of the age structure of the population, so if a greater proportion of the population is aged 85 over time you expect the proportion of deaths in over 85s to go up even if individual mortality doesn’t change. However looking at the chart over short time periods will show big sudden changes in certain age groups.

418907 bebophaircut, 6, #1155 of 1944 🔗

Globalists and The Council of the Elders: Revenge of the Retards.

418908 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1156 of 1944 🔗

The Pig Dictators use of Latin reminds me of Del Boys use of French

They have both picked up the odd words but really have no idea what they mean

Both conmen with punchy nick names and get rich quick morals

If the Pig Dictators parents had not been rich then he too would have ended up flogging dodgy sunglasses from a suitcase

However there is an honesty about Del that is absent in the Pig Dictator

418917 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1157 of 1944 🔗

Bonnet de douche mon brave

418944 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Cecil B, #1158 of 1944 🔗

Bain Marie Cecil…Bain Marie……

418971 ▶▶ StevieH, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1159 of 1944 🔗

I think you’ll find Johnson knows more than the odd word of Latin. He studied Classics at Balliol College, Oxford.

418975 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to StevieH, #1160 of 1944 🔗

Doesn’t follow.

418982 ▶▶▶▶ StevieH, replying to Annie, #1161 of 1944 🔗

Why not?

419025 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to StevieH, 1, #1162 of 1944 🔗

It appears it is the English language coming from the people of the UK and the MP’s in his party saying this all must end which he doesn’t understand.

419050 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to StevieH, 1, #1163 of 1944 🔗

Of course he did. I’m told he spent most of his time there with a cock in his mouth

418911 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #1164 of 1944 🔗

A friend who lives in the North East and who’s wife works for the NHS and who has many friends who are GPs, hospital consultants etc is telling me that nearly all their “covid” patients in the local hospitals have been brought up from London and the South East, very few are locals.

But they are getting treatment for their other conditions, not for “covid” but going on the list as “covid” patients in the North East.

So what’s going on?

418925 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1165 of 1944 🔗

Fraud is what’s going on

418939 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1166 of 1944 🔗

Did you ask why?

419302 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1167 of 1944 🔗

He doesn’t know.

418943 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1168 of 1944 🔗

You have found the next ‘spike’. Scam

418973 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1169 of 1944 🔗

Bet you anything you like that they’ e also been Covvicounted in their places of origin.

418913 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1170 of 1944 🔗

Renewables have consequences! World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels I’ve been a naturalist/wildlife conservationist all my adult life, but I reluctantly admit our future is nuclear.

418956 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, #1171 of 1944 🔗

I don’t agree. If you look at the economics of this you will see that price of solar energy has reduced dramatically over the last 50 years. Probably under 10% of what it was. The price of nuclear has gone up or, more recently, fallen only very slightly.

The issue of energy storage is of course critical and I am not pretending that has yet been resolved but one obvious way it could be resolved is to manufacturing carbon-neutral methane (produced from freely available water and air) using solar or wind energy during surplus periods. Countries like Germany and the UK are fortunate in having long established methane distribution networks.

Currently this option is probably not yet economic (though that needs more research). However, it can’t be that far off with solar power now able to produce electricity at under 2 cent per KwH in some parts of the world and with technological improvements continuing to slash solar energy costs. Excess solar energy is any case effectively at a marginal cost of zero. So the real issue is how much it would cost to install methane manufacturing equiipment to scale. Obviously you wouldn’t do it all in one go – you would have maybe a 20 year installation programme.

However, solar energy producers in SW USA for instance are already able to store energy overnight using batteries and capacitators to be reliable grid providers.

418984 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 8, #1172 of 1944 🔗

Renewables aren’t green, sustainable or environmentally friendly! Open cast mining causes horrendous habitat destruction. Precious metals required will result in future wars & encourages corporate slavery.

Actual renewable sites are unsightly & harmful to the environment. Space used for solar & wind could be better utilized for food & wildlife.

I’m NOT a corporate scientism worshipping liberal, who believes nature is something to be managed & controlled (conservation). You can’t control nature, because then it’s not natural. Don’t give your money to WWF!

419006 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1173 of 1944 🔗

I agree. Nature is far more powerful it cannot be controlled, akin to a virus not being controlled really. Nuclear has to be the future to protect power needs. Just as people think what we are currently doing will save all from a “deadly” virus, they think driving an electric car will stop power stations, they have no idea.

Planting trees would help the planet far more than all the so called “green” energy plans.

419009 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1174 of 1944 🔗

The real problem with renewables is they are incapable of maintaining baseboard and incapable of adapting to demand spikes.

They are totally subject to the whims of Nature.

The problem with the Green cult is they are watermelons – green on the outside, red inside.

419081 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1175 of 1944 🔗

I keep hearing there will be green jobs for everyone, but a relative of mine in the USA who worked for a solar panel company, was recently made redundant after the company he worked for was bought out by a Chinese company and all the jobs moved to China…

419168 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Carrie, 4, #1176 of 1944 🔗

It’s just another set of lies to try and cover up the mass unemployment there will be.

419184 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to OKUK, 2, #1177 of 1944 🔗

As laid out below, green energy is a rip off of the ordinary houshold:
Looking at the Electricity Supply column, Environmental Costs works out at 23% for domestic, and 27% for business, an average of 24%. I presume the lower percentage for business reflects the fact that the selling price is lower.

But more significant is the cost of environmental levies per MWh. Domestic is £43/MWh, and business is £39/MWh.

Based on annual household usage of 5500 kwh, typical for a 3 bed house, this equates to £236. VAT would be extra.
We can cross check these numbers against the OBR figures:

In 2019, electricity consumption was 103 TWh for domestic and 192 TWh for others. Applying the rates of £43 and £39/MWh gives a total cost of £11.9bn. This is slightly higher than the OBR, (who simply take government numbers), which suggests they have underestimated.

The earliest CSS was for 2013, when domestic environmental costs were only £19/MWh
Of course, all of the cost, domestic and otherwise, ends up getting paid by the public one way or another. Higher electricity costs for the public sector have to be paid for by higher taxes or spending cuts. While higher costs for companies result in higher prices or lost jobs.

It is worth noting by the way that network costs have increased from £36 to £43/MWh for domestic, between 2013 and 2019. This may simply reflect inflation, but I suspect at least half of the rise is for network upgrades etc. https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/02/15/homeowners-fleeced-by-renewable-subsidies/

418966 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1178 of 1944 🔗

Sorry, read nuclear as unclear and was just about to agree with you when I noticed you said nuclear. However as I do agree the future is nuclear, but also at this present time unclear I will stick with my origional undertakement to concurr. I hope that’s clear.

418970 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Anti_socialist, #1179 of 1944 🔗

Yes!! So has been saying Matt Ridley for yonks – INNoVATION not desecration….. bloody good to see that global warming is helping this to get through though

418915 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 17, #1180 of 1944 🔗

Look me in the eyes and tell me Boris isn’t a lying scumbag.

418990 ▶▶ iane, replying to PatrickF, 1, #1181 of 1944 🔗

Hmm, that is a very hard challenge!

418916 isobar, 1, #1182 of 1944 🔗

Richard Tice of Reform UK on Talk Radio. May not be everyone’s cup of tea, but I think that he made some good points. https://youtu.be/9dbP5sT9c7A

Apart from believing anything that Wancok says.

418920 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 30, #1183 of 1944 🔗

This is a public health TV ad for Government Ministers, members of SAGE and all senior NHS managers:

“Can you look that 10 year old lad in the eye and tell him it really was worth it, not seeing his Grandad for the last two years – the Grandad who has just died and is now no more than a shadowy memory.”

“Can you look that elderly lady, now a widow, in the eye and tell her you meant no harm when you failed to admit her deceased husband into hospital at the height of the pandemic and let him die at hope in distress and despair.”

“Can you look that business owner in the eye and tell him that their clothes shop really had to close during lockdown while Amazon and the big supermarkets did storming business?”

“Can you look that child in the eye and tell her you really did have to rush that vaccine into use and had absolutely no idea it might on occasion damage the central nervous systems of otherwise healthy people?”

No didn’t think you could.

418930 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to OKUK, 5, #1184 of 1944 🔗

or

419097 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, 2, #1185 of 1944 🔗

And THEY’re not ac tors.

418931 ▶▶ jos, replying to OKUK, 5, #1186 of 1944 🔗

I don’t think they’d have any problem looking any of us in the eye for any of this because they did it ON PURPOSE!

418940 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to jos, 4, #1187 of 1944 🔗

Really, what each commentator on here should be asking themselves is can they look their children/grandchildren/elderly relative etc in the eye when they knew full well what was happening but did nothing to stop it.

418937 ▶▶ smithey, replying to OKUK, 6, #1188 of 1944 🔗

True, but I am sure some of the senior members of SAGE will be able to console themselves with the amount of money they have made selling vaccines.

418967 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to smithey, 6, #1189 of 1944 🔗

Oh yes I forgot that:

“Can you look your bank balance in the eye and say you aren’t secretly glad all those people died and you became a national TV star sycophantically praised by lobotomised presenters?”

419106 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to smithey, #1190 of 1944 🔗

Worth watching again. From 24 September, but still valid! What Sir Patprick Vallance had to say about conflict of interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSmqxm8eMnk

418922 bebophaircut, 9, #1191 of 1944 🔗

The Elders state that they want a peaceful, just and sustainable world … they just don’t want you in it . Mark Windows

418928 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1192 of 1944 🔗

The Guardian: Keir Starmer’s leadership needs an urgent course correction.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/16/keir-starmer-leadership-urgent-course-correction-labour

418957 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1193 of 1944 🔗

Sack the shadow cabinet & get a personality transplant.

419000 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1194 of 1944 🔗

Is it possible to have a vote of no confidence in both the government and the official opposition!

418958 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1195 of 1944 🔗

Yer’ve godda larff at these idiots complaining about the obvious and recoiling from what it always said on the tin.

418935 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1196 of 1944 🔗

There will be no more oppression because there will be no one left to oppress . Mark’s tirade goes on for almost an hour. One of his best.

418948 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1197 of 1944 🔗

And he leaves no Globalist unturned.

418936 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #1198 of 1944 🔗

Save the NHS from the blobbies.
Doughnut let them in.

418994 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to PatrickF, 8, #1199 of 1944 🔗

GIven how fat most of the NHS nurses are, it makes one wonder how the damned thing will be able to continue if they’re all told to shield.

419010 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to AidanR, #1200 of 1944 🔗

A theory could say this is part of the plan, NHS staff need to shield, NHS overwhelmed, we need to lockdown. Cynical or true?

418938 Henry2, replying to Henry2, 4, #1201 of 1944 🔗

Anyone post Serco’s Twitter feed? Jesus wept.

https://twitter.com/sercoinstitute/status/1361590584268517376?s=24

418945 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Henry2, 3, #1202 of 1944 🔗

They are, of course, talking their own book.

418955 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Henry2, 7, #1203 of 1944 🔗

I tend to believe those who think this is the last throw of the dice, the propaganda is ramped up. Also those asking how much will Serco make

418964 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Henry2, 7, #1204 of 1944 🔗

The comments are not supportive; apparently the number surveyed was 1003 of which 66% supported passports- what a joke. This supposedly represents 70 million people. There are far more signatures on the petition against passports.

418987 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to Hattie, #1205 of 1944 🔗

My signature included. I just fear the worm is turning regardless of manufactured ‘popularity’ of the idea.

418981 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Henry2, 9, #1206 of 1944 🔗

Hi Henry2,

From a time when The Guardian actually did some decent journalism…

Serco: the company that is running Britain From prisons to rail franchises and even London’s Boris bikes, Serco is a giant global corporation that has hoovered up outsourced government contracts. Now the NHS is firmly in its sights. But it stands accused of mismanagement, lying and even charging for non-existent work

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jul/29/serco-biggest-company-never-heard-of

Best regards

Simon

418996 ▶▶▶ Henry2, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1207 of 1944 🔗

Thanks Simon. Yes, been well aware of its tentacles in the NHS. I hope this is just guff from them, surely this is one step too far for the masses and there will be demos against this shit.

419067 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Henry2, 5, #1208 of 1944 🔗

I don’t believe 50% of people want vaccine passports for churches, nor that older people are in favour. Most I know just want to be free to live a normal life and are willing to take the risk of catching Covid. My mum is 80 and neither she nor any of her friends have had Covid..in fact she knows no one who’s had it, much less died of it.

419083 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Carrie, 3, #1209 of 1944 🔗

”Fifty per cent of people want….” Sounds like a typical Yougov thing – you know, Mr Zahawi’s bunch.

418952 Mark, 12, #1210 of 1944 🔗

Free speech champions … the government are just trying to distract you once again. They don’t even deserve to use the word free. They never should use it again. They have been absolute tyrants. Locked us all down for a year. Caused the death of thousands because of mental health that no one’s speaking about any more. The word “free” needs to be stripped from their vocabulary. So do not be distracted.

From the vid posted down earlier by Anti_socialist

418968 jos, replying to jos, 23, #1211 of 1944 🔗

Pleased to hear the BBC talking about the human rights abuses of being locked in solitary confinement without sunlight and unable to leave – oh sorry, that’s Princess Latifa of Dubai, the daughter of a billionaire, in her massive, luxurious villa – clearly the BBC has had an irony bypass..

418977 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to jos, 4, #1212 of 1944 🔗

Yes…I saw that…made me chuckle…….

418988 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 4, #1213 of 1944 🔗

A couple of days ago, someone posted a link to CIPD and their vaccine passport recommendations, which in essence supported an alternative work environment for those not vaccinated, and asserted that there was no evidence the vaccine was not safe. I challenged them on both accounts, with the necessary data, and this is the response. No surprises there, the usual non committal dross.

Thanks for taking the time to contact us.

Our advice on vaccinations is in line with public health guidance, as it always will be. However, we recognise the right of individuals to decline vaccination for a range of reasons, including personal ones. This is reflected in both our guidance and media statement.

If you have any further enquiries, please contact myself or a member of my team either by phone or email (details below), alternatively you can access information on the CIPD by visiting our website at https://www.cipd.co.uk

Kind Regards

David Prendergast
Learning Enquiries
CIPD, the professional body for HR and People Development
+44 (0) 208 612 6202

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418993 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Hattie, 3, #1214 of 1944 🔗

CIPD is the professional body of the devil’s buttcrack gardeners.

419001 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Hattie, 6, #1215 of 1944 🔗

This is ridiculous – no one can say they are “perfectly safe” – it takes years for many side effects to become apparent.

419112 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Katabasis, 5, #1216 of 1944 🔗

Yes – you have to have absolutely no grasp of the basic principles of empirical scientific method to believe in ‘perfect safety’!

The question is whether data supports the hypothesis that ‘there is no evidence to support the hypothesis that treatment x is unsafe, given the probability parameters +-y%.

… but that assumes that you have collected the relevant evidence within an appropriate frame of reference.

… but which is impossible to state if that frame of reference is about a medium – long term time period.

419136 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to RickH, 1, #1217 of 1944 🔗

Exactly this.

It truly boggles my mind to see senior academics and clinicians wheeled out on the media to issue proclamations of safety they have no right to give and really should know better.

Several times now I have seen them argue in terms of relative risk – that taking the vaccine is less risky than contracting covid. We won’t have useful medium to long term data on the outcomes for the vaccinated for years and yet we *already* know this cannot be true for the vast majority of the population who will experience mild to no symptoms with covid whilst vaccine outcomes will remain an unknown for some time.

418992 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1218 of 1944 🔗

So, bearing in mind that the advertising contracts were all in place by the beginning of March, what was dePiffle doing at Chevening while Herefordshire drowned and mockdown was imminent??

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/05/boris-johnson-defends-decision-not-to-visit-uks-flood-hit-areas

419003 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1219 of 1944 🔗

To steal from Derek & Clive, he was Wanking Down Lambeth

419058 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1220 of 1944 🔗

Supposedly still recovering from Covid? If you mean March 2020?

419066 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, #1221 of 1944 🔗

He probably thought he’d be mobbed by his adoring public. Or so his minions told him.

418995 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 9, #1222 of 1944 🔗

Lots of talk linking obesity to the virulence and mortality of covid.
Guess what?

It’s true of flu too.

Funny that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6523028/

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/full/10.2217/fvl.14.2

Fat locks up Vitamin D.

419019 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to rockoman, 4, #1223 of 1944 🔗

It’s bollocks, the facts are people die of old age! Yes being severely morbidly obese, isn’t good for optimum health, but plenty of skinny people die of cancer, heart disease & old age too.

You’re just playing the government game by deflecting blame & it’s irrelevant to government lockdown. You’re being played.

419061 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1224 of 1944 🔗

There are plenty of young people who are morbidly obese. They don’t want to die untimely, and if they can be persuaded that being fat may result in death, some might be persuaded to slim down. Then vitamin D will be more effective.
What has that to do with dying of old age?

419119 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 1, #1225 of 1944 🔗

You’re not wrong – but lets not get into alternative health fascism.

419127 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Banjones, #1226 of 1944 🔗

It’s none of yours or my business what others do, if they don’t dictate to me, I won’t dictate to them. If you want real science don’t follow the money, if you don’t like being taxed say it & lobby against it, good luck in a socialist society.

The fat thing has an agenda!

419011 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #1227 of 1944 🔗

Germany faces a sober reality as millions of its solar panels are blanketed in snow and ice and breathless. The freezing weather has rendered its 30,000 wind turbines to idleness.

Germany’s ‘Green’ Energy Failure: Germany turns back to coal and natural gas as millions of its…worldnewsera.com

https://twitter.com/Paul_Davidsen/status/1361001769271128064

419014 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 7, #1228 of 1944 🔗

No-one saw that coming!

419264 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Victoria, 3, #1229 of 1944 🔗

Weather too cold to prevent warming. About as topsy turvy as everything else at the moment.

419012 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 5, #1230 of 1944 🔗
419031 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1231 of 1944 🔗

In his basement playing with his dog, neither Harris or Biden are running the Clinton mafia government.

419052 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1232 of 1944 🔗

And isn’t Biden up to 56 Executive Actions now? Seems like the behaviour of a dictator to me..

419020 Pebbles, 12, #1233 of 1944 🔗

As someone said earlier…maybe the time has come to move on and create a different network. A network based on action rather than just analysis of the daily shit from the MSM? We continue to be one step behind.
There is no point holding on to the illusion now that this is purely incompetence by the government… that in itself is…well… incompetent. Denial. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
2021 is the year we must RISE if we want a future for ourselves and children. We need action – law suits – and day to day non- compliance on a grand scale. The Great Reopening is on Telegram already. How about The Real Lockdown Sceptics meet there?

419022 leggy, 7, #1234 of 1944 🔗

Mystery plunge in coronavirus baffles experts
So India shows pretty much the same curve as everywhere else. I doubt very much that anyone here is baffled or considers it a mystery!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9265495/Mystery-plunge-coronavirus-cases-India-baffles-experts-country-recorded-11m-infections.html

419023 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1235 of 1944 🔗

Alright…who had the Nigerian variant in the sweep?

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1361636928777555971?s=20

419037 ▶▶ mj, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1236 of 1944 🔗

me – i sent Reverend Doctor Samuels my bank account details just last week

419043 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mj, 1, #1237 of 1944 🔗

We have a winner!

419044 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1238 of 1944 🔗

I went with Iran – I’m still confident it’s just around the corner…..

419077 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1239 of 1944 🔗

Why is no one talking about the Norwegian variants? Very … um … not dangerous.

419090 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1240 of 1944 🔗

They are so predictable yet millions keep swallowing their lies.

419153 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1241 of 1944 🔗

Damn, I was sure it’d be the Pyongyang strain.

419188 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1242 of 1944 🔗

Was banking on it being the Timbucktoo one

419028 jim j, replying to jim j, 21, #1243 of 1944 🔗

It’s staggering none of the U.K. press is covering this mornings Dutch court ruling that the Government doesn’t have the authority to impose curfew because the situation isn’t bad enough in their eyes.

Court orders Dutch government to scrap coronavirus curfew

419035 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jim j, 7, #1244 of 1944 🔗

Certainly not a judgment you’ll find in the UK courts.

419045 ▶▶ isobar, replying to jim j, 7, #1245 of 1944 🔗

Has made the Daily Fail
‘Court orders Holland to SCRAP 9pm coronavirus curfew in victory for anti-lockdown campaigners who challenged crackdown after riots’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9265511/Court-orders-Holland-SCRAP-illegal-9pm-coronavirus-curfew.html

419029 amandainhampshire, replying to amandainhampshire, 11, #1246 of 1944 🔗

I’m very perplexed and dismayed about various comments ATL today: first, why does Toby say that he’s ‘not a vaccine sceptic’ just before publishing the piece (with damning graph) about the recent, post-vaccine death spike in Gibraltar? Surely that should make even the most fervent vaccine fan pause and rethink?

Secondly, in a similar vein, I watched Laura Dodsworth ‘interviewing’ (she doesn’t actually interview him; she reads questions from her pre-prepared list, so misses following up on relevant points) John Lee. Since he began writing articles last April, I’ve read what he has to say with interest and have felt reassured by his calm, common-sense approach to this hysterical nonsense, but it appears that he too is an advocate of these untested, experimental and potentially dangerous ‘vaccines’ that are being pumped out (or should that be ‘pimped’?!). When asked whether he thought it would be ‘ethical’ to test the AZ one on children (between the ages of 6 and 16?), he suggested that a ‘wait and see’ approach would be best, as we don’t know what the short-, mid-, or long-term effects of these might be (even though as we all know, children simply don’t get, pass on let alone fall ill with this virus). I ended up grinding my teeth in frustration when Ms Dodsworth didn’t take the opportunity to ask what advice John Lee would offer his own three children, all in their 20s, about whether to have any of the experimental biological agents being pushed?

Surely, surely, if one sees and acknowledges that lockdowns, masks (and all the rest of the insanities imposed upon us) are horribly wrong, damaging and counter-productive, you’d also have to believe that coercing anyone into being jabbed is equally wrong and anti-human – wouldn’t you? It feels as though the sands are shifting under our feet yet again – where is solid ground and who has ‘got to’ these previously dependable, sensible people?

419040 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to amandainhampshire, 13, #1247 of 1944 🔗

One can be labelled an “anti-vaxxer” just for pointing out what was standard practice pre-covid – that people should not take vaccines who do not actually need them.

419041 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Katabasis, 8, #1248 of 1944 🔗

Yup. I’ve had it (the label). It immediately marks the person using it as a slur out as an imbecile.

419148 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1249 of 1944 🔗

Like tattoos then?

419152 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Katabasis, 2, #1250 of 1944 🔗

… and that any medicine should be subject to credible RCTs over a credible timescale with credible population samples.

419054 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to amandainhampshire, 6, #1251 of 1944 🔗

It’s ok for people to have their own opinions. I’ve never thought of myself as anti-vaxx, but I don’t ever get vaccinated. I’ve no issue with the theory behind vaccination I just don’t want it. Each to their own, if TY does good luck to him, at least he’s honest about his position. I am certainly anti-corporate vaccination of Covid-19 & GAVI.

419065 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1252 of 1944 🔗

One of the aspects of this that is starting to worry me is the volume of vaccinations they are talking about – prospectively two annual shots (including a “booster”) plus they’ll likely recommend the flu shot too. That’s already three times throughout the year potentially vulnerable people will have their immune systems over-stimulated. That quickly moves it out of ‘managed risk’ territory in my opinion.

419096 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Katabasis, 3, #1253 of 1944 🔗

An even more unhealthy and toxic nation then because since when does a vaccine contain anything remotely natural and healthy? Make sure you get a decent water filter otherwise you might be drinking the residue of this toxic rubbish.

419145 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Suzyv, -4, #1254 of 1944 🔗

Sorry – but I don’t think universal paranoia is an answer.

419104 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Katabasis, 3, #1255 of 1944 🔗

I’m opposed to what’s happening, its corporate science therefore junk science, but I’ve given up trying to persuade people for their own good it’s their choice, they live or die with.

419108 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Katabasis, 6, #1256 of 1944 🔗

Someone monitoring the VAERS website worked out that people have a more than 300 x bigger risk of risk of vaccine injury from the Covid vaccine than from other vaccines – and that is based only on reported adverse effects so far…Many people don’t report and it is early days yet..

419135 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Katabasis, 3, #1257 of 1944 🔗

That’s the way of things. If you agree to be tested for work once, it’s then twice a week or more indefinitely. You agree to the first jab and you’re signing up for life, apparently. Furthermore, once injections become customary, people will stop asking what’s in them. Gates has said the first jab is ‘an operating system’ and further ones are ‘updates’. Scary, eh?

419141 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 5, #1258 of 1944 🔗

Very scary – if you know about Windows ‘Updates’ 🙂

419162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 3, #1259 of 1944 🔗

How do you turn an human being on and off again and hope they reboot properly?

419248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, 2, #1260 of 1944 🔗

Yes, it’s just like Gates’ virus-ridden software where you have to keep buying anti-virus updates… continual, endless source of income for him – as will be the vaccines.
Remember he posted shortly BEFORE the pandemic that 2020 would be the year to invest in vaccines..

419064 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to amandainhampshire, 5, #1261 of 1944 🔗

Actually, I was positive about that.

Say you are not a vaccine sceptic, and then write something …..vaccine sceptical.

419107 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to rockoman, #1262 of 1944 🔗

Touche

419122 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to amandainhampshire, 3, #1263 of 1944 🔗

“Surely, surely, if one sees and acknowledges that lockdowns, masks (and all the rest of the insanities imposed upon us) are horribly wrong, damaging and counter-productive, you’d also have to believe that coercing anyone into being jabbed is equally wrong and anti-human – wouldn’t you?”

Yes, especially if the main form of coercion is the lockdown. I’m simply amazed that people can’t see this.

419140 ▶▶ RickH, replying to amandainhampshire, 3, #1264 of 1944 🔗

John is quite clear, and always has been in my conversations with him – he thinks the vaccines on balance OK. I beg to differ. But that is within the bounds of rational discussion – he is certainly not an advocate of compulsory vaccination.

His remarks on children and vaccines were, I think, quite clear – and they were certainly not a recommendation. He was just avoiding being incontinently shouty – which is a massive failing on the ‘sceptic’ side (as well as the Covidiot side) that tends to contradict the notion of ‘scepticism’.

419030 isobar, replying to isobar, 3, #1265 of 1944 🔗

Fresh from the Daily Fail:

‘No jab, no service? Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi says it is ‘up to businesses’ to decide if they want to demand proof of vaccination – leaving door open for shops, pubs, restaurants and clubs to REFUSE entry if customers have not been inoculated’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9266191/Minister-says-businesses-requiring-proof-vaccination.html

419034 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to isobar, 24, #1266 of 1944 🔗

Good. Just how I want it.

Not going in a single place that demands this plus, without a change in legislation, I can see lots of lawsuits. Perfect.

419055 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #1267 of 1944 🔗

Same here.

Because as long as a signficant proportion of the population don’t get it, there will be a significant number of businesses who will refuse to discriminate.

With time, as it becomes clear that ‘unvaccinated venues’ are no more dangerous than ‘vaccinated venues’ the free market will cause all businesses to move to non-discrimination.

Indeed, should some vaccine sceptics be proven right, and the vaccinated become more transmissive, then it possibly becomes they who will tend to be excluded.

419074 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to rockoman, 2, #1268 of 1944 🔗

True but those that discriminated will be tarred. This is the baker argument with the gay wedding cake. As long as there is another option to have the business elsewhere it should be up to the business who they discriminate against or not. The market will act accordingly.

419101 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to rockoman, #1269 of 1944 🔗

Wait till all the West End theatres (and restaurants nearby) are empty… maybe some theatre owners will think again…?

419150 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to rockoman, 3, #1270 of 1944 🔗

My own comment.

There is clear precedent that he is taking complete nonsense. The courts have already decided that businesses CANNOT discriminate after finding against the couple who owned the B&B who refused to allow two guests of the same sex to share a bed, and the Bakery that refused to bake a cake for a Pride function as it was against their religeous beliefs.

419076 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Tom Blackburn, 18, #1271 of 1944 🔗

I’m also the same. Market forces will prevail. Earlier on when masks were first introduced, a local sceptic cafe owner put up a sign saying all welcome especially those mask free. A few rude comments online, but many more supportive ones and they then experienced a surge in new customers! Other nearby cafes, Costa, Cafe Nero etc- all much quieter. They will soon get the message. I will not be spending 1p of hard earned money on anywhere that attempts to impose any restrictions and discriminatory practices.

419053 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to isobar, 1, #1272 of 1944 🔗

So basically mandated by the government then !! Just as we thought would happen !! They are definitely winning the War !!

419068 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to isobar, 3, #1273 of 1944 🔗

Mark of the beast.

419082 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to this is my username, 3, #1274 of 1944 🔗

The vaccine passport is not the mark of the beast.Its just the forerunner

419098 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1275 of 1944 🔗

Yes, wait till they decide that it is easier for the identity to be transferred from an object (your phone) to your body…

Did you know that the company ’23 and me’ (where people can submit DNA to find relatives) has recently sold the genomes of its users? https://thomasdishaw.com/watch-23andme-just-sold-the-genomes-of-millions-of-its-users/

419099 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1276 of 1944 🔗

If you cannot buy or sell without it, it is.

419192 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1277 of 1944 🔗

Their ultimate goal is some sort of implanted chip, or possibly some type of injectable nanomachine.

419238 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1278 of 1944 🔗
419086 ▶▶ stewart, replying to isobar, 2, #1279 of 1944 🔗

Intersting. Does that make it also up to business if they want to discriminate for other reasons, such as race or gender or nationality?

419095 ▶▶ stewart, replying to isobar, 2, #1280 of 1944 🔗

Can a business refuse those who HAVE had the vaccine?

419110 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to isobar, 1, #1281 of 1944 🔗

Here we go.

419117 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to isobar, 6, #1282 of 1944 🔗

Why doesn’t anyone question the matter at the heart – that vaccines do not create a safe public space because they do not stop you from transmitting the virus…? Coronavirus in this case. It can create a personal safe space for a person being inoculated and not having as severe a reaction (ie flu or ie CV), but that’s it. Or, it may turn out that they have more severe reactions as ADE kicks in and the whole scam shows itself for what it is.

419194 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Pebbles, 2, #1283 of 1944 🔗

Even Big Pharma only states the vaccines, “may reduce symptoms, ” which is a completely arbitrary and subjective statement.

419237 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1284 of 1944 🔗

They are not vaccines, they are genetic manipulations ..

419033 mj, replying to mj, 10, #1285 of 1944 🔗

travelled from midlands to north to look after parent as stepfather in hospital for a few days. Motorway busy but not so many cars … not like it used to be. also listened to BBC news .
World at one – main item about the Qatar princess. Are we really that concerned about her freedom given our lack of freedom. Wonder why they are featuring this ?
Then piece about the freedom of speech at universities. Funny how they talk about allowing both sides of a discussion when this is not what they allow when the subject is climate or covid.
and the main covid interview – around increased antibodies being found in old people and how this must be due to vaccinattions The interviewee was circumspect about this but Sarah Montagu was positively wetting her knickers about how it was all down to vaccine .
Havent listened to a R4 news programme in months. No wonder the sheeple are news zombies

419063 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mj, 5, #1286 of 1944 🔗

Funny how they talk about allowing both sides of a discussion when this is not what they allow when the subject is climate or covid.”

I think the list of subjects where discussion is limited is MUCH longer than climate and covid. Race, gender, sexuality, religion and many others. Anything controversial.

419038 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1287 of 1944 🔗

The Govt has today published its draft rules of the road for governing the future use of digital identities. It is part of plans for people to verify themselves using modern technology and create a process as trusted as using passports or bank statements

Government sets out new plans to help build trust in use of digital identitiesThe government has today published its draft rules of the road for governing the future use of digital identities.gov.uk

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1361578652203384837

419089 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 5, #1288 of 1944 🔗

The question that always springs to mind, is, why? Why does our every movement & action have to be tracked & traced, the government ethos is secrecy, they even make forestry workers sign the official secrets act. So how come they don’t trust us but expect blind trust in them?

419183 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1289 of 1944 🔗

Because they intend to abolish cash and hook you up to a social credit cloud via injected nanotechnologies.

Maybe someone can provide links to videos.

419236 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #1290 of 1944 🔗

The company ’23 and me’ (used by people researching their ancestry) has apparently sold their genome database..
https://thomasdishaw.com/watch-23andme-just-sold-the-genomes-of-millions-of-its-users/
The head of ’23 and me’ is married to the co-founder of google and her sister is CEO of youtube..

419133 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Victoria, 1, #1291 of 1944 🔗

What could possibly go wrong?

419185 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1292 of 1944 🔗

From their point of view, RIGHT.

You HAVE to get past this idea that your government isn’t perfectly willing to kill you to enrich its senior apparatchiks in the service of global government.

419226 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1293 of 1944 🔗

From their viewpoint we are units of currency or living bytes. Remember in ‘The Matrix’ humans were in fact a living batteries? Hmm….it’s amazing how science/dystopian fiction slowly becomes reality.

419103 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Victoria, 6, #1295 of 1944 🔗

Eloi and Morlocks

419115 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Victoria, 7, #1296 of 1944 🔗

What a flipping cheek! He’s not the only one though:
Prince Harry
Emma Thompson………..etc.

They really do think they are superior beings and that we haven’t noticed their astounding self entitled hubris.

419139 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Victoria, 3, #1297 of 1944 🔗

He is not the world’s 4th richest man at all. Just because the ‘old money’ of Europe have all of their wealth in trusts doesn’t negate their power or influence.

419180 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jb12, 2, #1298 of 1944 🔗

This is the argument made concerning the Rockefellers and De Rothschilds. I used to dismiss it, but I am ALL EARS for answers. Austin Fitts, anway, says that Gates money is basically government and that is how he got going. More so than Apple and whatnot, I suppose, because ultimately it was all tax payer’s money. The dense bastards thought they were paying for ‘fighting the soviets’ is all.

419234 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to FedupofLies, #1299 of 1944 🔗

Please see this link: https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/trump-ode-to-the-corporation/ , particularly the bit about the City of London..

419411 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Victoria, 1, #1300 of 1944 🔗

He pays 7million$ p.a. to offset his carbon footprint so that he can continue to use his cars and private jets with a good conscience.
That equates to a price of 70$ p.a. per million$ personal wealth.
I gladly sign up to that ratio and continue to drive, and fly commercial, when and where I want.

419048 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 20, #1301 of 1944 🔗

It’s now nearly four months since Mike Yeadon gave this interview to Anna Brees (taken down by YouTube within 48 hours.) Still as prescient today. Yeadon: ‘You don’t vaccinate a whole population because one in a million (who get the virus) might have a bad outcome….Something very smelly is going on.’ And later: ‘There is a fraud going on. October 29th. You can see it here. https://www.bitchute.com/video/DNL8Al9hpcZH/
Very typically Yeadon was banished from Twitter after an appalling smear campaign.

419051 ▶▶ Julian, replying to HoMojo, 3, #1302 of 1944 🔗

I think Yeadon withdrew from Twitter rather than being banished

419056 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Julian, 3, #1303 of 1944 🔗

Jumped before he was pushed.

Twitter pile ons are unpleasant at the best of times.

419093 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Julian, 3, #1304 of 1944 🔗

I used the term ‘banished’ because he had no choice but to close his account because of the lies that were being spread about him. Being unable to operate normally and with impunity because of untruths is banishment to me in all but name

419125 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to HoMojo, #1305 of 1944 🔗

Fair point

419175 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to HoMojo, 6, #1306 of 1944 🔗

They went after Yeadon specifically and Sucharit Bhakdi they really don’t like.

But the most remarkable was Judy Mikovits Plandemic documentary.

They could have ignored it and just silently suppressed it by way of algorithms and occassional deletions, but instead they went ALL OUT.

They risked greater exposure to the public by condemning it. Even now you will find dozens of those annoying, cunt young doctors with smarmy faces ‘fact-checking’ the video.

She points out that the virus was manipulated in a laboratory ( game-function) in China and that it was really Fauci’s research exported abroad. SICK! My own suspicion, and I know many do not like China here, but I think the political class were unaware of it.

419179 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to FedupofLies, #1307 of 1944 🔗

What function is being gamed?

419049 Carrie, replying to Carrie, #1308 of 1944 🔗
419073 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Carrie, 1, #1309 of 1944 🔗

That website is too much hard work, got a summary?

419079 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Carrie, 2, #1310 of 1944 🔗

What does it mean. I can’t make any sense of it?

419085 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1311 of 1944 🔗

I can’t work it out completely either! It looked like they were transferring the UK’s assets to the Crown..?

419080 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Carrie, #1312 of 1944 🔗

WTF is that all about. Can’t get my head round it. Summary please.

419111 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Carrie, 5, #1313 of 1944 🔗

I’ve seen this, I think it means the UK government is a ltd co which when struck off all assets will be passed to the the crown estate.

The registered office is a semi detached house 2 roads away from where I grew up and the director is laird James coutts who I assume is part of the coutts banking dynasty.

If true smells very fishy.

An application has been made to object to the stiking off.

It depends what the ‘assets’ are, could be the people i.e. me and you and all land and wealth.

419169 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to stefarm, 4, #1315 of 1944 🔗

One of the worse technohorror video nasties I have seen talks about the vaccines eventually modifying a human enough that they are now able to be patented and owned. I hope that was just technoparanoia but I really am prepared for anything now.

What a horrible fucking time to be alive.

419189 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #1316 of 1944 🔗

What a horrible fucking time to be alive.

Yep! I’ve been feeling this way for 15yrs. It’s only just beginning to dawn on people distracted by vapid celebrity & convenient technology.

419232 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to stefarm, 1, #1317 of 1944 🔗

It’s particularly interesting when read in the light of this: https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/trump-ode-to-the-corporation/
and what it says (scroll down) about Washington DC, Vatican city and the City of London…

419343 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Carrie, #1318 of 1944 🔗

Yes, the 3 corporations. City of London a city within a city sitting on trillions of pounds. Comes back to the law of the land and maritime law stuff, straw man and how ‘we’ are traded on the stock exchange. Not sure how much of it I believe but it makes interesting reading.

419370 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to stefarm, 1, #1319 of 1944 🔗

the company has no declared assets, no declared turnover and one director, the company is owned by a single individual Laird James Coutts and has been dormant since it was set up. Might it just be a ‘cyber squat’ on the name rather than anything truly devious?

419512 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to iansn, #1320 of 1944 🔗

Yes more than likely, registered at an accountants address

419351 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Carrie, #1321 of 1944 🔗

Someone needs a tinfoil hat. Government UK limited is a private company and nothing to do with the UK Government. It even tells you it’s registered to a guy in Welling along with his name.

419062 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 21, #1322 of 1944 🔗

Another cynical observation: isn’t the fact that sceptics like us are repudiated, denounced and dismissed as irresponsible nutters a classic example of governmental diversion tactics?

We have consistently condemned, with evidence, the terrible toll that this thoroughly misguided strategy has taken on the lives of thousands, we’ve held fast to our informed dissent, we’ve shown-that our societies are sick, that the risks to a consensual democracy grow steadily, yet we have become the useful targets for confected outrage and hypocritical pile ons.

This is a well established ruse adopted by mainly decidedly undemocratic governments throughout history, as heretics and conscientious objectors are condemned for revealing inconvenient truths and challenging the narrative of the day.

I truly hoped that more folk would join us, but sadly, there is still no real shift in mass compliance.

Why are so many still going along with the endless restrictions, placing their faith in shouty talk show hosts like megaphone Morgan and eagerly lining up for the vaccines’ magic bullet?

419070 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to wendyk, 18, #1323 of 1944 🔗

“I truly hoped that more folk would join us, but sadly, there is still no real shift in mass compliance.
Why are so many still going along with the endless restrictions, placing their faith in shouty talk show hosts like megaphone Morgan and eagerly lining up for the vaccines’ magic bullet?”

This has been, by far, the worst aspect of all of this for me.

419078 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Katabasis, 7, #1324 of 1944 🔗

It actually induces embarassment and disgust in equal measure on my part. Awful!

419075 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to wendyk, 12, #1325 of 1944 🔗

The vaccine is not a magic bullet and the government are murderers, there is no point in mincing words. Foer this to change (and I don’t see why it shouldn’t, in fact am hopeful that it will) there is going to have to be physical resistance.

419084 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to HoMojo, 2, #1326 of 1944 🔗

I used the phrase magic bullet ironically and I hope you’re correct in being hopeful for a change in attitude

419120 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to wendyk, 3, #1327 of 1944 🔗

I think the Warren Commission used the phrase “magic bullet” ironically also.

419137 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to wendyk, 1, #1328 of 1944 🔗

I know you were being ironic, didn’t mean to sound censorious. 🙂 I think attitude is already changing, whether that leads to action is up to the masses. Despite the shift I don’t believe they think they are under any imminent threat

419176 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1329 of 1944 🔗

I think you’re right. So taxing to have to think independently and assess future prospects.

The vaccine is what they’ve been hoping for and nearly everyone I know best has had it.

Fair enough; it should be entirely voluntary, but will this withstand the passport manoeuvres?

419146 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to wendyk, 2, #1330 of 1944 🔗

Interesting white paper I found, sorry if already posted. American frontline docs reasoned argument against experimental jabs (but not against vaccines, in general). Might be useful to some
https://stopmedicaldiscrimination.org/home#af86c044-aed2-496d-92bb-e1d76dca284e

419170 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to VickyA, #1331 of 1944 🔗

Thanks for the link

419187 ▶▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to wendyk, 3, #1332 of 1944 🔗

Take comfort in that the flak is always heaviest when we are over the target. We must be onto something truthful.

419252 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to VickyA, #1333 of 1944 🔗

Indeed so, as Cumbriacracked has pointed out.

We are the pesky whistleblowers who won’t be quiet.

419177 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to wendyk, 6, #1334 of 1944 🔗

If they are worried about you they will attack you, if we were of no consequence we would be ignored.

419246 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1335 of 1944 🔗

Exactly! You’ve summarised it so well. Their increasingly angry denunciations show how threatened they feel.

We’ll just have to keep jabbing away at the house of cards.

419186 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to wendyk, 5, #1336 of 1944 🔗

Last night in the LS comments section we were talking about conspiracy theories, someone (don’t remember who) said if there were state conspirators, there would be whistle-blowers!

Well there are plenty of whistle-blowers, they’re dismissed as conspiracy theorists & cranks.

419206 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1337 of 1944 🔗

And censored from any platform where their views could be heard. They are dismissing those who manage to have a voice.

419091 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #1338 of 1944 🔗

From Wikipedia: The Great Reset is the name of the 50th annual meeting of the World Economic Forum (WEF), held in June 2020. It brought together high-profile business and political leaders, convened by the Prince of Wales and the WEF, with the theme of rebuilding society and the economy in a more sustainable way following the COVID-19 pandemic.[1]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset

Great to see Prince Charles planning to ruin our lives:

“One won’t own anything, but I will, so I’ll be happy”

419102 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #1339 of 1944 🔗

This from someone who refuses to let leaseholders on his huge estate buy their freeholds. So HRH will own everything (along with his WEF buddies) and we will own nothing.

419126 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Laura Suckling, 13, #1340 of 1944 🔗

I’ve always been a monarchist, but they have failed in their duty to protect our (unwritten) constitution. I now think it should be abolished as soon as Queeney dies.

This whole rotten system needs complete reform and the grip of the technocrats must be broken. Oddly enough I think the situation in India is going to be a help for us LS’s.

419132 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1341 of 1944 🔗

What specific situation in India? Enlighten me please.

419138 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to HoMojo, 9, #1342 of 1944 🔗

That infection rates there are plummeting with far milder measures than in the western world – indeed measures similar to those adopted in the UK before the Fat Dictator wet himself.

419100 Julian, replying to Julian, 11, #1343 of 1944 🔗

Interesting thread regarding an update from ECDC (European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control) on the use of face masks in the community

https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1361609101629939714

Worth reading in full, but in summary:

“ECDC´s general conclusion is that… “based on the assessment of the available scientific evidence, no recommendation can be made on
the preferred use of medical or non-medical face masks in the community”

419172 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Julian, 2, #1344 of 1944 🔗

It’s not saying what you think it says. It says you should use masks but “we’re not going to tell you which type”.

419181 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 3, #1345 of 1944 🔗

of course one can extrapolate from that to say neither work so you might as well sacrifice a chicken and hang that around your neck for all the good it will do.

419116 alw, replying to alw, 8, #1347 of 1944 🔗

From the Torygraph and comments section still not working.

“Roughly 1.7 million people will be added to the shielding list in England, after experts developed an algorithm which has identified more adults at serious risk of Covid-19.
According to health officials, letters from the NHS will arrive imminently telling people affected that they should be in the shielding group.
Around 2.2 million people are currently on the list in England, many of whom were identified for a single reason, such as specific cancers, those on immunosuppression drugs or who have severe respiratory conditions. The additional 1.7 million will bring the number on the list to almost four million.
The shielding scheme was expanded after researchers, led by scientists at Oxford University, developed a new tool called QCovid to assess whether someone is at risk of severe disease or death.”

More computer modelling. The government definitely don’t want to end this s…show.

419129 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, 12, #1348 of 1944 🔗

So now we have a vaccine, even more people need to shield?!

419196 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1349 of 1944 🔗

That just about sums it up really. I am sure the letter will say something along the lines of ” you will need to take the vaccine” and/or ” you will be released from shielding only when everyone else has had their vaccine so please contact family and friends to (coerce) ensure they have the vaccine to allow you to live a normal life”

419143 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to alw, 1, #1350 of 1944 🔗

So NHS sharing data with Oxford, where else is it going to?

419393 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, #1351 of 1944 🔗

If they have survived thus far why do they need to start shielding? Horses and stables and bolts come to mind. Unless this is the beginning of the next wave of terror.

419118 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 48, #1352 of 1944 🔗

Haven’t posted for a while. Fresh from a refusal earlier to take the jab too. I did ask which one they are using but got told it was one of two, whichever they got in, but didn’t know which 2. Reassuring eh?
Anyway main upshot is this about waking up. Many people have and still trust their doctors, the BBC, the media, that government has its citizens best interests at heart. I doubt anyone here feels that way now. In the spirit of Candide (looking on the bright side), what a gift we have been given. I would rather know the lie of the land and act accordingly. I would rather know and fight than be a sheep led to the slaughter.
The rest of the population seem slow on the uptake but it’s percolating through. Even my Mum, who I thought would resist  the dreaded jab, gave in and paid for it in a bad, though not life threatening reaction, which after my nudging she duly reported.
When this ends, and it will end, we will not be in as much shock as the sheep. And we will have clearer heads and marshalled arguments to bring out the lies and destroy these monoliths for good.
What drives me now is a fight for truth and in the process to let the establishment crumble on their bed of lies.
God, I so hope I’m right.

419165 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to VickyA, 12, #1353 of 1944 🔗

I pray your mother will be all right.

But, really, when we talk about the vaccines, we mean what about a year, two years, ten years from now?

Who knows?

There is talk of a ‘Cytokine Storm’, I know.

419134 TJN, replying to TJN, 31, #1354 of 1944 🔗

Telling and disturbing article today in Conservative Woman , ‘Hitchens v Hodges – sense v nonsense’, by Daniel Miller.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/hitchens-v-hodges-sense-v-nonsense/

Despite the title, its scope ranges far beyond the debate (which it actually scarcely discusses).

A valuable and telling insight into the mind-set of Lockdown Zealots such as Hodges:

Hodges thinks via a procedure of reductio ad expertum , directed towards identifying power and placing himself in its service. If an accredited expert says something, no matter how risible, Hodges affirms their claims.

Of the core of the debate:

Hitchens, in contrast, has essentially only one point, which isn’t elaborate, but appears incomprehensible to the government and their apologists, since it involves the application of moral and intellectual principles they no longer recognise. Have the policies which the British government, and other governments enacted in order to combat the pandemic been reasonable or proportionate given the harms which they caused?

The answer is no. Not only have Sweden and other countries proved that lockdowns were never necessary, but more effective and less destructive treatments, for example, distribution of Vitamin D or Ivermectin were never even considered. At a minimum the British government is guilty of extraordinary arrogance and incompetence. It is not unfair to say that Hodges embodies those same qualities.

Of Hodges’s responses:

Throughout the debate, Hodges responded to logic with rhetoric; in particular with the term ‘lockdown denier’. The castigating purpose of the trope, with its association with Holocaust denial, is self-evident. The shamelessness with which Hodges is prepared to mobilise it betrays his cynicism, but it is not clear what is being denied.

The penultimate concluding paragraph:

What now seems obvious is that the Government wanted to impose a lockdown, and hyperbolic modelling was promoted to justify it, rather than the lockdown being imposed on the basis of the modelling. The vaccine passports which now seem on the cards were probably always the desired outcome of the exercise. … Johnson and his collaborators must be urgently removed from power and an inquiry launched into their actions. The alternative is the total and permanent destruction of British liberty in the near future.

The final paragraph is both inspiring and a call to anyone who cares about freedom to step out of the abyss of complacency – into which we are already falling.

419142 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to TJN, 17, #1355 of 1944 🔗

What now seems obvious is that the Government wanted to impose a lockdown, and hyperbolic modelling was promoted to justify it, rather than the lockdown being imposed on the basis of the modelling. “

This was also the case in Germany, where the government told the scientists that it needed a justification for ‘repressive and preventaitive measures’.

419161 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to rockoman, 14, #1356 of 1944 🔗

Lockdowns were the bait and switch. And Hitchens and Freddy Sayers and others are, knowingly or not, part of the controlled opposition.

Winston Smith wrote in 2100:

IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE VACCINES

IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE VACCINES

IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE VACCINES

419164 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #1357 of 1944 🔗

I don’t think you can unknowingly be controlled opposition

419166 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Julian, 3, #1358 of 1944 🔗

I worry that DeSantis might be controlled opposition.

419174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FedupofLies, 9, #1359 of 1944 🔗

Well I’d rather be in Florida than the UK right now

419217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Julian, 2, #1360 of 1944 🔗

I dream of being in Florida.

419256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #1361 of 1944 🔗

Either way Biden’s handlers are dreaming up ways to make an example of Florida.

If there is a deadlier Cv-21 virus I bet they will seed it there.

419182 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 3, #1362 of 1944 🔗

I think you can.

419257 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #1363 of 1944 🔗

Well the definitions I have read of “controlled opposition” suggest you are consciously acting on behalf of the “authorities” and only pretending to oppose.

Whatever else you think of Hitchens, give him some credit for being his own man.

Anyway I think being concerned with who is “controlled opposition” is not a great use of energy – people have views that you can agree or disagree with. We’re not in some political party or formal movement here and we’re not followers of Toby Young or anyone else.

419345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to Julian, #1364 of 1944 🔗

I think that’s a prerequisite.

419207 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to TJN, 8, #1365 of 1944 🔗

Hodges appears to me as the classic example of someone who simply appeals to authority as the basis for his argument.
When Hodges says: …two fundamental things have changed. The first is the vaccine and anybody who’s serious about looking at these issues in an objective way acknowledges that the vaccine is a game changer.
It is easy to see what he has done in that statement, as a rhetorical device; anyone who has objections to the vaccine and by extension any of the ‘interventions’, like lockdowns, is neither serious or objective, therefore anyone who is sceptical is pushed to the fringes and looked at askance as some kind of irrational fool or crank.
The use of the term ‘denier’ is, as Hitchens rightly points out, a ‘dog whistle’. It is deployed simply to shut down debate, like calling someone a ‘Nazi’.
Hitchens, for me, has been a voice of reason throughout all of this and long may he continue to speak out.

419276 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Alex B, 4, #1366 of 1944 🔗

One glimmer of hope i draw from this is that the opinions of people like Hodges and co. are, despite the large number of apparent adherents, actually extremely shallow.

When the wind changes, so will their stance. This gives me hope that the whole charade could collapse quite quickly, when the time comes, and looking back soon after people will shake their heads in amazement at what happened, and of course deny they ever went along with it.

419308 ▶▶ Mark, replying to TJN, 2, #1367 of 1944 🔗

Hodges thinks via a procedure of reductio ad expertum, directed towards identifying power and placing himself in its service . “

That’s a more eloquent way of writing what I wrote about Hodges here a few weeks back: he’s a contemptible establishment boot-licker.

419501 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mark, #1368 of 1944 🔗

Yep, spot on. Like the rest of them.

419144 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 25, #1369 of 1944 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-experts-left-puzzled-by-sudden-drop-in-coronavirus-cases-in-india-12219684

What the headline writer means is “experts DISAPPOINTED by sudden drop in coronavirus cases in India”. India was “on course” for highest infections in the world but then something went tragically wrong. (Spoiler alert: it’s T cell immunity, herd immunity, cross-immunity… it’s IMMUNITY)

419156 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 9, #1370 of 1944 🔗

Also very widespread issuance of Invermectin in Covid kits:

419178 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #1371 of 1944 🔗

Can we buy this online?

419208 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to jos, 8, #1372 of 1944 🔗

You can from Russia.
Your choice as it were:
Even better than Invermectin is this

There is another treatment which is 90% effective in those showing symptoms-it’s also incredibly cheap
(No doubt the screeching loons who hate the idea of the afflicted surviving with widespread Invermectin will start screeching about this as well)
So thats a disease from which 99.97% will recover with no treatment, which can be guarded against with Vit D etc and then those displaying symptoms have a further 90% cure rate using this inhaler.

“According to researchers the randomised trial was stopped early, because the results were so remarkable, the researchers did not believe it ethical to deny treatment to placebo patients.
Over-the-counter inhalers suppress severe COVID symptoms, trial finds
QUT associate professor Dan Nicolau, one of the lead researchers on the trial at the University of Oxford, said the results showed the method was extremely effective at preventing severe COVID-19 symptoms.

“When we first began the trial back in March [2020], we were hoping for 50 per cent reduction [in risk of developing serious symptoms], which itself would have been very high,” he said.

“We got 90 per cent, which even with only a few hundred people is off the charts.

“And it’s not just the overall result – their temperatures are less, they get less fever, and they recover faster.”

Professor Nicolau said they realised in the early stages of the pandemic that people with asthma were under-represented in severe and fatal cases of COVID-19

The randomised trial ended up looking at 146 patients, who were given regular doses of either corticosteroid budesonide via an inhaler, or a placebo.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com

419402 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1373 of 1944 🔗

What is it with Oxford U? There seems to be a Hyde Oxford (KiddieVaxx, Horrorbye killing with HCQ overdoses) and a Jekyll one (Sunetra Gupta and this Nicolau chap?) Unfortunately the side controlled by the forces of good and light (rationality, empirical science and the Enlightenment) seems to be losing out to the one controlled by the forces of evil and darkness (Gates and Big Pharma.)

419157 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #1374 of 1944 🔗

We all know the answer. Not one mention of HCQ in the article though.

https://qz.com/india/1968541/india-distributed-over-100-million-hcq-tablets-for-covid-19/

And still no mention since my comment has not been posted. I wonder why?

419193 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 9, #1375 of 1944 🔗

Lots of social proximity and loud cheering (without oral screenings) at the Test in Chennai. Must have disgusted our rulers, all that pleasure.

419215 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #1376 of 1944 🔗

I have to wonder if India is being given a pass because their people are already in the digital control grid?

419272 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1377 of 1944 🔗

Very good point, but wouldn’t that point be lost on most people? All they would see was millions of third-worlders ‘not following the rules’ and wondering why they are allowed to get away with it.

419151 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #1378 of 1944 🔗

Latest daily update

419280 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1379 of 1944 🔗

Just doing some calculations 0.19% of the population have died of COVID 99.86% have not died from it according to days figures 129,498 / 67,000,000. These figures are bent as an awful lot are with not of. Even so, that is not the pandemic we were promised, and are still being promised to keep us locked up.

419291 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Jonny S., #1380 of 1944 🔗

Meaningless results of PCR!

419155 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 22, #1381 of 1944 🔗

Lockdowns are the DISTRACTION, now!

Don’t you see?

It was ALL ABOUT THE EXPERIMENTAL GENE THERAPY!

Now they are shifting to allowing discussion to end the lockdown, but WITHOUT addressing the vaccine issue!

Wake up!

419173 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #1382 of 1944 🔗

I’m awake!

The plan will be irreversible, there won’t be a fourth lockdown, because they won’t ever end this one.

419245 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1383 of 1944 🔗

We’re still on Lockdown 1

419158 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 17, #1384 of 1944 🔗

DON’T LOOK TO SCOTLAND FOR ANY HOPE….

The scottish lockdown exit plan to be presented next week is “likely” to advise against booking easter holidays either overseas or within scotland. In other words, that’s another spring lost to lockdown!

Overseas breaks are also “unlikely” in the summer but staycations “might be possible”. In other words, the state might let you have a local holiday in may / june onwards, but you will not be leaving the uk unless you wish to be subject to strict quarantine procedures.

Then come the autumn, guess what? Time for another computer model of doom…

This surely now has to be the breaking point for all those numpties supporting this shit show up to now? Surely!?

Or can I hope for more from boris?

“Advice” is perhaps a change of tone in what is to come? In other words, we may actually be treated more like adults in the exit plan….but with lots of caveats….

Show me the way to go home, I’m tired and I want to go to bed….

419167 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to tony rattray, 5, #1385 of 1944 🔗

We can only hope, come May SNP won’t be in charge, slim hope is better than no hope, but probably a case of, hope just being delayed disappointment.

419191 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to tony rattray, 3, #1386 of 1944 🔗

Tony, can you tell me what you think is the possibility of our Edinburgh in-laws visiting us at Easter in England? Cousins miss each other dearly

419210 ▶▶▶ tony rattray, replying to steve_w, 4, #1387 of 1944 🔗

All will be revealed by boris and ginger nut next week. I think you will be ok. Visit to a private house and next of kin. Just do it.

419250 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to tony rattray, 1, #1388 of 1944 🔗

thanks! we will meet up in england or scotland depending where the pubs are open

419287 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to steve_w, 5, #1389 of 1944 🔗

I drove to Glen Feshie for the last 2 weeks of December and got between 2 lorries approaching Gretna. If polis do stop me, I have a piece of paper handy saying “I have a valid reason for travel to do with mental health.I can’t say any more.” Why oh why don’t people on this site understand – you exempt yourself from masks; you decide what your reason for travel is; not Whitty, not Boris, not the polis, YOU!

419312 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to steve_w, 1, #1390 of 1944 🔗

Stalin will be the last to open up, as she was in the summer – and even then, it was a pathetic experience.

419242 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 4, #1391 of 1944 🔗

Just butting in – but this is largely up to the willingness on both sides to just do it.

Despite some dissension about the detail of Covid, and the risk, we’ve just had a lovely weekend with the family (I’ve posted some concerns about the inhibitions) where at least we had a common ‘fuck it’ attitude to plonkers trying to dictate our lives.

But I recognize that it takes two (or more) to tango.

419265 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RickH, 3, #1392 of 1944 🔗

For the last few months I have been cultivating friendships/relationships with those who have the ‘f*ck it’ attitude. I think in the long run this is best for everybody. I am politely indifferent to most others, although I think one or two friends have now ditched me because of the (very moderately sceptical) views I expressed on Facebook.

419277 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1393 of 1944 🔗

My relationship has changed with a few people. I don’t think they are bad – just unthinking or herd-like. Which has surprised me in people I thought were free thinkers – disappointing more than anything.

419267 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 2, #1394 of 1944 🔗

This is true. I ignore all ‘regulations’ whenever I can out of a moral duty to oppose tyranny. The in-laws are skeptics but not militaristically so!

419199 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to tony rattray, 8, #1395 of 1944 🔗

Let’s see how the Scots like it when we are all down the boozer all summer and they are not….
I can’t see this ending well for Nic. At least Devi appears to have some smarts in the sense that she’s starting to row backwards. Too little, too late though. We know who’s said and done what.

419314 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tony rattray, #1396 of 1944 🔗

A bit off topic but the European football championships are planned in the summer with games in Europe and the final at Wembley. Scotland are playing England at Wembley in June. IMO I can’t see it going ahead, if it does it will be behind closed doors. Not sure how the fans will take it, Scotland’s first major championship since euro 96.

419195 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1397 of 1944 🔗
419203 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1398 of 1944 🔗

Presumably the England team will be coming home in boxes and not just the ones they have shoved down the front of their trousers.

419353 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1399 of 1944 🔗

The DM has followed that up by plumbing the depths of absurdity and surrealism by looking at hedgehogs as a possible coronavirus source. Clearly the Monty Python sketch was ahead of its time and Dinsdale had good reason to be wary of ‘Spiny Norman’!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9266263/Hedgehogs-rabbits-harbour-new-coronavirus-strains-study-reveals.html?ito=push-notification&ci=78163&si=25332643

419197 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 17, #1400 of 1944 🔗

I don’t watch cricket, but I understand that England are playing India in full stadiums and most of the spectators are unmasked. Can somebody confirm this and why are Indias death rate from C19 so low?

419205 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1401 of 1944 🔗

I don’t watch either (I prefer watching village cricket with a pint or six of beer) but would be interested to know whether British TV coverage shows the spectators in close-up.

419212 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1402 of 1944 🔗

They do.

419218 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1404 of 1944 🔗

No lockdown in India (as I understand it), they couldn’t afford it

419219 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1405 of 1944 🔗

Because they don’t test for it.

419228 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1406 of 1944 🔗

The only thing I’d say is that you have to be very cautious in making simple comparisons across very different countries and climates.

One of the things we do know is that SARS is sensitive to latitude and climatic factors.

419270 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to RickH, 6, #1407 of 1944 🔗

Yes, but you’ve missed the point. SAGE would be telling Modi to lock down but Modi would tell them to Foxtrot.

419365 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bungle, #1408 of 1944 🔗

India did lock down last year, but in India it’s don’t work, don’t eat, so people went back to work.

419268 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1409 of 1944 🔗

Do they take HCQ regularly there, due to a risk of malaria?
Or is life expectancy lower, leading to fewer people there being at risk?

419317 ▶▶▶ Coronabonus, replying to Carrie, 5, #1410 of 1944 🔗

HCQ is bought over the counter in India. As it is in the rest of the civilised world.

419316 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Smelly Melly, #1411 of 1944 🔗

There was no crowd in for the first test (5-9 Feb). For the one that’s just finished today they allowed a crowd of 1/3 capacity into the stadium. I don’t recall seeing a single mask anywhere.

419360 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #1412 of 1944 🔗

Younger population. No social security and government paying people to stay at home. CV19 has gone through the population so herd immunity achieved, plus the government isn’t in the pay of China and pharmaceutical companies, don’t have Trump Derangement Syndrome, and have provided cheap,readily available medication to treat CV19, e.g. Ivermectin.

419382 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #1413 of 1944 🔗

Not no masks, quite a few actually, but clearly, very clearly, a ‘wear what you want’ attitude that we here have been permanently denied. Their death rate is so low because the government handed out Invermectin and Zinc to nearly everyone at a minute fraction of the cost of the bollocks that Piffle has mandated.

Quite a comedown when your ex colonies not only teach you how to play the game you brought them but also how to run a country.

No disrespect to India with the ‘colonial’ jibe, I have been there more than once and found them to be the friendliest people I have ever met.

419410 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Smelly Melly, #1414 of 1944 🔗

Nowhere near full stadiums either. Not even half full.

419198 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 44, #1415 of 1944 🔗

Imagine if somebody was pitching face masks on Dragon’s Den. Here’s how I’d envisage it might go:

Inventor: Facemasks reduce the spread of a virus because they exist and therefore must have an impact on the physical world.

Deborah Meadon: Give me some numbers…

Inventor: According to modelling if 100% of the worlds population wore them then it could reduce infections by as much as 50%

Peter Jones: Your numbers seem unrealistic. Do you have any real world evidence to back this up?

Inventor: No, but it should work because that’s what the modelling says.

Theo Paphitis: You’re kidding right? You want me to give up my children’s inheritance on something you wrote on the back of a fag packet? I’m out.

Tej Lalvani: I’m all for saving lives but I need some more numbers to back up your projections.

Inventor: Unfortunately real world data shows very little impact from masks but our simulations say it should work. If anything masks make things worse according to the data but I shouldn’t be telling you this.

Boris Johnson (guest Dragon using Taxpayers money): I think I can see some potential in this. Tell me how you intend to use the money.

Inventor: We will set up a shell company run by one of your friends and funnel all the money into that.

Boris Johnson: I’m in. I’ll give you 10x the money that you asked for. We can bypass the other Dragons.

419225 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #1416 of 1944 🔗

I like it. 🙂

419711 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2021, #1417 of 1944 🔗

Excellent! You might add “We think we can persuade consumers to wear two at the same time.” That seems to be the latest gambit!

419200 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #1418 of 1944 🔗

I was just reflecting on another aspect of the brainwashing process that is entirely depressing, and departs the realm of rational thought in a dramatic way.

It relates strongly to my anger at the manipulation devised by the Goebbels Memorial Brigade (SPI-B).

I am – by any definition – honest. I might skirt round the periphery of things for diplomacy’s sake – but I demonstrably don’t manufacture porkies by the lorry-load as a way of life like Johnson and cronies.

And yet …. I come across those who know this fact indisputably, but will actually believe the weight of lies on the other side (that of the place-seekers, the gold-diggers and government), led by a PM noted only for dishonesty, rather than even looking at basic data that contradicts ‘The Narrative’ when I put it forward.

419223 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 13, #1419 of 1944 🔗

… and, nobody with that sure belief in propaganda ever takes up my offer to forward the spreadsheet of weekly ONS morality data (+ population) for a quarter of a century so that they can reach their own conclusions without any interpretation by me.

The response is religious, not science-based.

419240 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 13, #1420 of 1944 🔗

Yes, I also find this. It’s enormously frustrating. There are people I have known for a long time who I would hope respected my integrity and while not necessarily agreeing with me on everything would at least concede my views were worth listening to, and that I had considered a given subject thoroughly – on covid, none of them want to engage – I just get shoulder-shrugging or silence or platitudes. Either they think I have gone bonkers but are too shy to say so, or they think I am plain wrong but don’t want to say so, or they know I am right but don’t want to agree with me because it’s too painful to face the horrible truth, or they are afraid to openly stand with the dissenters.

These are people with whom I’ve always had an open and honest relationship, now impossible because of covid. It’s very sad. If they think I am a covidiot I wish they would say so and then engage in an argument.

At least my close family are all anti-lockdown.

419255 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 7, #1421 of 1944 🔗

Absolutely mirrors my experience, Julian.

… and it really pisses me off.

I’m quite happy to limit discussion, because it can just simply take over and get in the way of other things – but this ‘Don’t mention the War’ stuff is itself dishonest.

419321 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Julian, 2, #1422 of 1944 🔗

Does anyone know how to find like-minded people in their area? I checked telegram but I can make sense of the hundreds of chat threads.

419349 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1423 of 1944 🔗

I think Keep Britain Free have some local groups, otherwise if you go on the LS forums there are posts with references to local areas – if you can’t find a thread in your area, you can start one

419359 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TimeIsNow, #1424 of 1944 🔗

Find a hub | The Freedom Network

This worked for me. Literally met people local last night.

Incidentally, if you are near Glasgow drop me a note.

419809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to JHUNTZ, #1425 of 1944 🔗

Thanks, I’ll look it up. I’m way down the country in Staffordshire. Most of my local friends and family are completely bought into all this, so I’ve only spent time with one other person for months. Even the slightly sceptical ones wouldn’t go against MSM advice and some make up their own harsher rules. Probably getting their information from Facebook covid groups where they frighten each other. I’m sure there’s a tonne of pro-lockdown message boards where every disease under the sun is called covid and the zero covid lot get the sun-god treatment.
It’s actually only possible to socialise with anti lockdown people and I think that will be true for some time.

419295 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to RickH, 6, #1426 of 1944 🔗

Completely agree.
I have 3 very old friends – one of whom I said ” . . . you know I’m not stupid” – they have known me for 45 years. They will NOT even hear anything I have to say.
I am someone who wants to stop the car if someone hoots me so that I can explain why I wasn’t in the wrong, so this is all literally driving me mad. The fact that I am not even to have a chance of explaining anything is giving me frustration to the point of madness.

419297 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 6, #1427 of 1944 🔗

The brainwashing has been relentless, and fear is a powerful emotion.
Facts, figures, charts, won’t break through that emotion, unless the person is someone open to counter argument and will change their mind when faced with alternative facts (and I don’t mean that in the current sense, i.e. dis- and mis-information), i.e. an alternative point of view.

Most people find it very hard to admit they’ve been wrong about something, or made a mistake. You have to be very sure of yourself, and I mean at the emotional level, not sure of their facts and opinion level. Most people will get very defensive rather than change their mind or admit to being wrong.

So you have to approach it first in an emotional way. Sending them a graph won’t work. Maybe a video instead, something like that. An example might be the call from a woman this morning on Talk Radio, talking to Julia Hartley Brewer, which had me in tears.

419461 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to LMS2, 1, #1428 of 1944 🔗

Yes the only thing that might work is using their own fear against them, eg say something like ‘of course this Covid’s a worry, but the real problems seem to be the ones caused by lockdowns’.

419202 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 4, #1429 of 1944 🔗

Just going back to Carrie’s post about the UK Gov. Ltd company being dissolved.

https://www.5gmediawatch.com/post/government-uk-limited-05522373-application-to-strike-off-on-companies-house-ds01

The company was set up after the Lisbon treaty which formed the constitutional basis of the EU. As we have now left the EU at the same time the company is being dissolved. Was this company just there to protect the UK while we were members of the EU?

Genuine question.

419262 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1430 of 1944 🔗

A good question!
But why was no straight answer given via the FOI sought?

419298 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonny S., #1431 of 1944 🔗

There’s an FOI request about this. I am afraid it amounts to a name grab. Patented like you would a website name and hope someone buys it from you.

419404 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Jonny S., #1432 of 1944 🔗

no, it’s this tinfoil hat bullshit that gives the rest of us a bad name.

419204 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 4, #1433 of 1944 🔗

Data on number of vaccinations performed here:

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Remarkably it shows that less than 1% of the UK population have received both doses. Can this be correct?

419214 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Basileus, 3, #1434 of 1944 🔗

Seems plausible. Not many were done before the protocol was changed to the 12 week gap.

419222 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1435 of 1944 🔗

There are exceptions in the NHS it seems. I have a mate who works in admin and he’s had both jabs.

419244 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to leggy, #1436 of 1944 🔗

Special scheme for front line workers?

419259 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Steeve, 2, #1437 of 1944 🔗

I would expect more like vaccines left over due to people not turning up for appointments or declining in advance, so to use up the vaccine rather then throw it away.

419383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1438 of 1944 🔗

^This for sure

419281 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Steeve, #1439 of 1944 🔗

Hardly front line. He sits in an office one day per week and spends the rest of the time working from home.

419322 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to leggy, 1, #1440 of 1944 🔗

Bet he accepts all the discounts given to NHS workers though.

419216 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Basileus, 6, #1441 of 1944 🔗

According to here

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

546,165 have received the second dose so yes correct.

The numbers of vaccinated are currently being used as a political tool as you will only see the number given the first dose.15,567,107

419221 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Basileus, 2, #1442 of 1944 🔗

I thought my Aunt’s 2nd was the end of the month but is in fact the middle of March. This is part of a hospital scheme for elderly relatives. I would say it sounds about right.

419253 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steeve, 2, #1443 of 1944 🔗

They’re cancelling many frail people as they die like flies. Sorry!

419260 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bungle, 4, #1444 of 1944 🔗

I was encouraged to see that Reiner Fuellmich is involved in the case being brought regarding a large number of post-vaccine deaths in an old people’s home in Germany..

419263 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bungle, 2, #1445 of 1944 🔗

They’re just trying to save the pension system and the NHS.

419224 bebophaircut, 4, #1446 of 1944 🔗

Criminal Change Agents are well paid. With our tax money.

419227 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #1447 of 1944 🔗

The majority of the population function at the level of farm animals

If the farmer places them in a field then in the field they stay until the farmers moves them

Ok, many have learned to dress themselves. Yes they can put on lipstick and turn on the TV, but these are basic tasks that they learned from other members of the herd

Like putting baubles on a Christmas tree, it’s mere decoration

They stand in the market with dead eyes, they take no part in the conversation as they are sold to the highest bidder. They know not what is the purpose of their existence

419247 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1448 of 1944 🔗

Absolutely brilliant Cecil. I have just finished an essay where I show how, at dipping time, the sheep run away from the farmer but the humans shout “me first, me first”.

419286 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, #1449 of 1944 🔗

Who sends the sheep to the slaughter?

419254 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1450 of 1944 🔗

‘Their doors are closed in the evenings, and they know no songs’ – GK Chesterton.

419269 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1451 of 1944 🔗

I believe the brainwashing capability of television has a great deal to do with this.

Even the cafeteria at work has a TV with constant fear porn spewing forth.

419380 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1452 of 1944 🔗

TV is an effective tool but it is nothing compared to the brainwashing power of anti-social media, especially Facebook.

419339 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1453 of 1944 🔗

That’s disingenuous to farm animals, cows a really quite intelligent social creatures, we all know pigs have quite a high IQ for non primates, even sheep have their strengths they have excellent memories & cognitive skills. You may be getting mixed up with demented lemmings.

419363 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anti_socialist, #1454 of 1944 🔗

Have a debate with a cow about the merits or otherwise of the PCR test and come back to me

419373 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1455 of 1944 🔗

Most animals i’ve met have the good sense to run the other way when they see a vet.

419229 Luckyharry69, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1456 of 1944 🔗

Jeremy Joseph owner of G.A.Y. nightclub is on TalkRadio now advocating vaccine passports for those who want to go to pubs and nightclubs

419235 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Luckyharry69, 23, #1457 of 1944 🔗

Let’s hope he goes out of business then.

419306 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Laura Suckling, 10, #1458 of 1944 🔗

I did find tripadvisor useful for something during the summer when we were supposedly released, if a review ranted about no covid measures that was the place I supported!

419431 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1459 of 1944 🔗

I was always careful to put in booking.com reviews that the hotels felt Old Normal or were not like staying in a hospital despite some of their Covid rules.

419447 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1460 of 1944 🔗

I did exactly the same thing! Before visiting any cafe etc.

419243 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1461 of 1944 🔗

Newly refurbed clubs always do the no jeans or trainers we only want tidy people in here lark

Twelve months later your shoes stick to the carpet as you dodge the flying glasses and the vomit

Nightclubs are the worst form of boredom, boredom you pay for

419251 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1462 of 1944 🔗

I didn’t think nightclubs (ie, glorified discos) were that popular any more anyway.

419293 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1463 of 1944 🔗

I’m not an expert but I know there are clubs in London where people go to have a good time because like the music and the dancing, and people behave themselves

I think those places are pretty popular still

I wonder if they will ever be allowed to open again

419409 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cranmer, #1464 of 1944 🔗

certainly not after they insisted on photo ID on entry that was scanned.

419266 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1465 of 1944 🔗

The problem the sheep do not seem to understand is not wearing jeans means wearing something smarter. Those smarter clothes are not likely to cause side effects, cause future damage or you will need to wear them forever unlike a vaccine.

419274 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Luckyharry69, 7, #1466 of 1944 🔗

Right. A mandatory ID for entry to confirm that you’ve had a jab that neither prevents you catching or spreading something. Makes loads of sense.

419332 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Luckyharry69, 6, #1467 of 1944 🔗

You have to admire the government.To abuse and intimidate people to the point where they beg to be enslaved and to do your dirty work,is some kind of evil genius.

419356 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1468 of 1944 🔗

They’ve been working on it for decades …

419340 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Luckyharry69, 4, #1469 of 1944 🔗

If everyone also has to show an HIV test result at the door, then yes, let’s do it.

419392 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to AidanR, 1, #1470 of 1944 🔗

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419258 smithey, replying to smithey, 16, #1471 of 1944 🔗

Morning All. I travelled to the future last night to visit my future self in Britain in 2026. The below is my account of what the future is like:-
The day starts at 7AM when the telescreen in the corner of the room announces; “all hail Johnson, World King and glorious leader of Gulag Britain”. BoJo himself then appears on the screen and is his upbeat cheery self. “Well folks”, he proclaims, “it is another glorious day here in Britain and I am pleased to report that we are all still working hard to beat Covid”. After Johnson’s update the Health Secretary Matt Hancock comes on to introduce the daily exercise session lead by Jo Wicks. This is all part of the drive to reduce obesity, introduced by the Great Johnson in a bid to improve the nation’s fitness and health and reduce the Covid death rate. After this the day’s jabs are delivered and administered by one of Bill Gates’ drones. It is then time for my meat free carbon neutral climate friendly Gates approved breakfast of synthetic foods.
At 9am I move to the work station in the corner of my apartment ready for the internet to be switched on to allow me to work. I spend the day working from home as I have done everyday for the last 5 years. I mange to get all my work done by 5:30pm at which point the internet is switched off to reduce energy consumption and stop global warming. I have a meat free burger for dinner then put on my Virtual Reality goggles for some entertainment before I go to bed. This evening I chose to visit a pub with some friends. The VR was so good that it felt like a real visit to the pub did in the Pre Covid days.
I asked my future self how it was that we ended up in this position. He explained that around the end of 2021 just after the UK government had finished vaccinating the entire population a terrifying new strain of Covid 19 was discovered which turned out to be resistant to the vaccines. To prevent the spread the government decided that they would have to significantly increase lockdown restrictions and put the entire UK population in solitary confinement just for 3 weeks to stop the spread. It was therefore announced that people would be banned from leaving their homes for any reason at all and that they must be isolated from any form of human contact. This was easy enough to implement for people who live alone but families and couples who live together proved more problematic. The government therefore asked that families and couples choose one person who will remain in the family home while the rest of the family members were moved out to the newly created quarantine apartments. The apartments are in converted buildings in town and city centres which were previously used as shops, restaurants, pubs bars, clubs and offices. As was to be expected there was some grumbling about this from those crazy sceptics but the vast majority of people simply said things along the lines of, oh well mustn’t grumble, it’s for our own good and we will just have to get on with it to beat Covid.
With the successful implementation of national solitary confinement Sir Kier Starmer, leader of her majesty’s opposition, attacked the glorious leader Johnson in parliament saying that this was not implemented soon enough and that he should have announced national solitary at the start of 2020. He also accused him of doing too little too late and said that the solitary confinement needed to be harsher, with the doors and windows of people’s homes and apartments welded shut, just like in they did in good old China and that anybody seen outside should be immediately shot dead on the spot. Johnson happily obliged.
With the entire population locked up and isolated from each other Johnson then had an epiphany. He realised that now was the time to begin the great reset and implement his crackpot green agenda with immediate affect. As such the UK’s gas supply was turned off, electricity rationed and every private car was confiscated and crushed. I suspect many people were not happy but this but as they were sealed in their solitary apartments there was nothing they could do to stop this.
Johnson’s green polices combined with the lockdown resulted in the unemployment rate shooting up to 70%. However, the Johnson regime had a cunning plan to resolve this. As everyone was locked up on their own they had no opportunities to go out or spend any money. As such it was decided that the 30% of the population still working would give up everything they earned to the state. This would then be used to produce and distribute by drone meat free environmentally friendly food to the entire captive population. Every member of the population was issued with Virtual Reality Goggles and so those who do not work can occupy themselves however they see fi during the day. These things are so good that they stop any sort of by keeping people entertained. As an added bonus with travel no longer necessary there is no longer the need to produce any sort of vehicle.

419338 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to smithey, 1, #1472 of 1944 🔗

Think I’ll wait for the audiobook version Who’s gonna be narrating?