2021-02-17

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419886 Rich, replying to Rich, 129, #1 of 2057 🔗

The people have the power to stop this if they stop taking the damn tests!

419888 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Rich, 34, #2 of 2057 🔗

People could stop this if they started to think for themselves.

PS I’ll take bronze as a first time on the podium.

419896 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Richy_m_99, 36, #3 of 2057 🔗

From Wikipedia: “The Great Reset is the name of the 50th annual meeting of the World Economic Forum (WEF), held in June 2020. It brought together high-profile business and political leaders, convened by the Prince of Wales and the WEF, with the theme of rebuilding society and the economy in a more sustainable way following the COVID-19 pandemic.[1]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset

Great to see Prince Charles planning to ruin our lives:

“One won’t own anything, but I will, so I’ll be happy”

419902 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 20, #4 of 2057 🔗

3 complaints – you posted this yesterday; it does not respond to Richy in any way; we are not “one”, Charles is. A better quote would be “one and one’s chums will get the lot’ you plebs will get nowt”.

420300 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #5 of 2057 🔗

They can’t do that they have given up all bodily autonomy to the state. It is much too difficult to form an opinion of your own now.

419889 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rich, 25, #6 of 2057 🔗

A second full size testing centre was erected in my city centre about a month ago. Each time I pass nothing is happening with just bored Security Guards to be seen.

419956 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to karenovirus, 11, #7 of 2057 🔗

I saw the ad. Wanted Security Guards. Must have experience of doing sweet f a and ability to look into the far distance.

420395 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to karenovirus, #8 of 2057 🔗

Excellent!

420780 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 5, #9 of 2057 🔗

Every time I have gone past the Bentley Road one on the Hackney/Islington border (third time yesterday) it has been practically deserted. Late morning but I doubt whether it is queues round the block at any time.

419892 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Rich, 71, #10 of 2057 🔗

Lots of great sceptics comments under all the articles in the DM, in fact probably 90% and getting majority upvotes. Very encouraging

419993 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Andrea Salford, 18, #11 of 2057 🔗

Yes definitely let’s hope people are waking up

420001 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrea Salford, 37, #12 of 2057 🔗

I’ve been watching Sky News Australia. The ”vaccine” is about to be rolled out – nearly every comment is ANTI. Well worth watching to lift the spirits.

420254 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 4, #13 of 2057 🔗

a tale of two Sky’s
How is SNA so different to woke Sky?

420669 ▶▶▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #14 of 2057 🔗

Two different companies. SNA is owned by Murdoch, SNUK is owned by Comcast (I think).

421843 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Banjones, #15 of 2057 🔗

any chance you or someone could add a link thing ? i cant figureout how to find it for some optimism. thank you

420085 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #16 of 2057 🔗

Yes, I had a clickfest.

420092 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrea Salford, 27, #17 of 2057 🔗

Yes, I have noticed this too. Readers are increasingly critical of the continued lockdown. There may well be more sceptics out there than we realise.

420241 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 14, #18 of 2057 🔗

we’ll soon know when people can’t book holidays

420410 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to isobar, 4, #19 of 2057 🔗

I do not give consent to being labelled and don’t take identity there.

“sceptics”

The memetic mind manipulations of propagandists (for any side) are an invitation to groupthink. To masking in a social ID. If there is a real desire for freedom, why does it first cage itself and then ‘fight’?

I don’t take identity from what I do not value or accept as worthy or true.
I don’t need ‘scepticism’ in the face of direct and open deceit.
Poison wont change by giving it a chance to explain itself.
Lies don’t earn or argue the right to become true.

As for the DM, yes, the willingness to give ‘trust’ in exchange for what exactly? will wear thin to a discontent that is managed by the Media that it persists in engaging with for its reinforcement of identity and world.

420110 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrea Salford, 44, #20 of 2057 🔗

Worth checking out the best rated comments on this article.
Roadmap out of lockdown (but it’ll take until July): Blueprint for UK’s pubs, restaurants and hotels would see curbs eased at four-weekly intervals starting with ‘limited’ Easter holidays

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9267563/Roadmap-lockdown-Blueprint-UKs-future-suggests-pubs-business-May.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9267563/Roadmap-lockdown-Blueprint-UKs-future-suggests-pubs-business-May.html#comments

Current best rated comment is this:

‘What is the point in vaccinating all the vulnerable if we still have to sit in for another 3 months. Had enough’

3612 upticks 105 downticks

420231 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 7, #21 of 2057 🔗

well, after 3 months the people will be like a “coiled spring” and spend all their money with the cattle prod of negative interest rates if they don’t.

420318 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to isobar, 13, #22 of 2057 🔗

Now up to over 5000 upticks , 166 downticks

420321 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #23 of 2057 🔗

That makes a change from the usual sheeple that think Lockdown are great.

420365 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #24 of 2057 🔗

Maybe the 77th is having a day off?

420401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #25 of 2057 🔗

Half term 😁

419898 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Rich, 66, #26 of 2057 🔗

The testing centres are always empty.This is being driven mainly by continuous testing in hospitals,care homes and employers.
Also we have received an email from my daughters school stating that when pupils return they will be subject to testing.
The government have devised a system where they can have lockdown for as long as they want.

419901 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to jonathan Palmer, 54, #27 of 2057 🔗

Hopefully they have also told you that it requires parental consent for them to do that, which you at liberty to decline to give.

419903 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jonathan Palmer, 43, #28 of 2057 🔗

I can confirm the care homes bit. My son is in supported living. All the support staff are still being tested twice a week, even after they have had the first jab; and the stupid bastards are still wearing masks for their full shift.

420014 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jonathan Palmer, 15, #29 of 2057 🔗

So are the vaccination centres. Mr Bart and I walked past the one in the Olympic park and it was absolutely dead. One of the security guards who wasn’t wearing a muzzle had taken to chatting to passers by while his colleague was on his phone the whole time.

421480 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #30 of 2057 🔗

presume it is my taxes paying their salaries while they do nothing which would warrant payment – the same taxes the government will likely continue to demand I pay while denying me the right to leave my own home if I refuse to have the vaccine

420120 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to jonathan Palmer, 39, #31 of 2057 🔗

Stop testing then. Get on with life. Tell everyone else to stop testing for every sniffle, mini cough or whatever else. DONE. Until of course, the vaccine side effects arrive and we will be in another lockdown because of a “new variant” scam and we need to wait for a new vaccine. It has been the theatre of the absurd for the last 11 months, whoever isn’t awake now, will never wake up, and ultimately perish in the flood of poison the needles will deliver. Boy is this year going to be a rough ride still…

420766 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Pebbles, 3, #32 of 2057 🔗

the wheel of death intensifies

421341 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Pebbles, 2, #33 of 2057 🔗

I could have written that, but you said it rather better. Thanks.

420386 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #34 of 2057 🔗

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mass-tests-for-teachers-and-pupils-to-be-part-of-england-lockdown-easing-report-says/ar-BB1dL1hd

Yes, I can see lockdown easing itself back into lockdown…

ps., apologies for the msn link

419900 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Rich, 26, #35 of 2057 🔗

That is what I said yesterday. Stop testing the well

419906 ▶▶▶ Seanbellew, replying to Judy Watson, 47, #36 of 2057 🔗

Meanwhile, The Telegraph reports that new “cases” must fall below 1,000 a day to lift restrictions. That will be impossible with mass false positive testing.

420033 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Seanbellew, 5, #37 of 2057 🔗

Yes, in theory. But what is happening in places like Australia or China where they are mass testing entire populations?

Anyone have any stats on, when for example a single case shows up in Perth, and they test a tonne of people, how many positive tests they get?

Anyone have any info about mass tests in supposedly zero-covid places?

420307 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, 8, #38 of 2057 🔗

Low cts. Apparently, OZ uses 23, we use 40+.

420675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to JayBee, 6, #39 of 2057 🔗

40+ is ridiculous.

421056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Brett_McS, 3, #40 of 2057 🔗

Well, yes. It has always been one of the the biggest contentious issues.

421363 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JayBee, 5, #41 of 2057 🔗

That explains an awful lot. According to Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR, used above 35 cycles you can find anything in anything. On that basis, every single PCR test in the UK would likely be invalid.

420391 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Seanbellew, 5, #42 of 2057 🔗

It says the testing will be LFT so fewer false positives at least. Still going straight in the bin though if I get sent one

420424 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #43 of 2057 🔗

Funny , Dr Lee has been saying that since last May……..crickets

419988 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Rich, 1, #44 of 2057 🔗

My views exactly

419997 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Rich, 58, #45 of 2057 🔗

The people have the power to stop this if they stop wearing masks. The people have the power to stop this if they stop staying at home. On it goes – but the people are still obeying, and even if they are grumbling are not resisting in any way the government will listen to. They will carry on getting tested and this will continue. The more who wake up to what is going on the better, but I don’t think it’s anything like the numbers needed to make a difference.

420007 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to this is my username, 33, #46 of 2057 🔗

Hear, hear!!! When people stop obeying this whole sham falls apart.

420377 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #47 of 2057 🔗

Just heard on my radio news that the government is switching to LFT tests. Anyone else hear that. Oh and the nhs say they will be overwhelmed for the next four months. Didn’t hear anything after that as I was too busy swearing at the radio.

420660 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Spikedee1, 28, #48 of 2057 🔗

I just had to turn it off. That utter cunt James O’Brien was arguing with himself that it was ok (“a funny story”) for a postman to leave an elderly lady lying on the floor “because pandemic reasons” until he had a little think about what if it was his mother.

What a despicable cunt. I never use that word. But he merits it. He’s been banging on ALL YEAR about how selfish other people are not following rules etc, when it is now patently obvious it is HIS fear and HIS selfishness that matters more than anything else and old ladies with osteoporosis left lying outside on the floor be damned.

420796 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to sophie123, 8, #49 of 2057 🔗

What a piece of shit he is.

421151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #50 of 2057 🔗

Jesus wept. Thank God I don’t listen to the radio anymore.

420316 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to this is my username, 21, #51 of 2057 🔗

The people have the power to stop this if they stop wearing masks. The people have the power to stop this if they stop staying at home.”

Sadly I don’t expect this to happen anytime soon. It would seem that most non-sceptics are of the view that, “all this would be over if people just behaved themselves and followed the rules”.

420934 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 12, #52 of 2057 🔗

Exactly what my damned dentist said. (Insert whiny voice here) “If everyone just followed the rules, we would be out of this by now” He clearly ascribes common humanity and common sense to our political class.. Stupid fool.

421039 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to RichardJames, 2, #53 of 2057 🔗

Has he heard of Sweden? It’s quite a big country.

420348 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to this is my username, 27, #54 of 2057 🔗

I was in a conversation in the pub back in August(I think) with two regular blokes who I just started chatting with. Mainly discussing CV, they had similar backgrounds to me sent the kids to the local public school, good jobs etc. The conversation came around to masks which they had been wearing. I said to them that masks are an easily visible signal to the government of belief and compliance in the policies, nothing to do with public health and if everyone stopped wearing them the government would know the game was up and it would be over.
Whoosh! End of conversation.
Ill meet them again, I hope, when it reopens and see if they still have such beliefs. Its too late once you start as your family will do the same, so unmasking is difficult once started for the masses.

420696 ▶▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to iansn, 15, #55 of 2057 🔗

They are not only a sign of compliance. The physical act of wearing a mask, even if initially you don’t believe it makes sense, encourages you buy into the lie. We are not pure minds. We try to remove contradictions between our mental beliefs and our physical actions. Wearing a mask tends to make you believe in them.

421268 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Brett_McS, 5, #56 of 2057 🔗

YES! This is so important. Those on the enemy side understand this in a way that most of Joe Public certainly do not.

There is a psychic element to all this that the insiders know about, but which the public either don’t understand or that they think is fantasy. This sort of thing (We try to remove contradictions between our mental beliefs and our physical actions. Wearing a mask tends to make you believe in them.) is a very powerful mind-conditioning process.

421245 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to iansn, 3, #57 of 2057 🔗

It seems to be that Covid zealots won’t or can’t discuss the logistics of the Coronahoax.

421484 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to this is my username, 1, #58 of 2057 🔗

Agreed. Big numbers needed to stop complying with the measures.

420026 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Rich, 15, #59 of 2057 🔗

Telegram::

The Great Reopening 20th March

420308 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #60 of 2057 🔗

What happened to the World Day of Protests on 13.3.?!…..

420541 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JayBee, 6, #61 of 2057 🔗

Worldwide Day of Protest — #IDoNotComply

We have to concentrate on waking people up for action on 20th.

420548 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to JayBee, 1, #62 of 2057 🔗

We’ve got different (competing?) groups trying to organize big protests. AFAIK StandupX is calling for a major protest on 20/3; I don’t know about 13/3. It’s difficult to see through the fog of war here, with various apparent lockdown opponents calling each other deep state plants etc.

420094 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Rich, 1, #63 of 2057 🔗

Who is actually taking these tests?

420164 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to MFvH, 5, #64 of 2057 🔗

Military personnel, hospital staff, care home staff, school staff. Twice weekly for most of those.

420606 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Rich, 6, #65 of 2057 🔗

I know people that have weekly tests “for something to do.” Yes, you read that right!

420703 ▶▶ Old mum, replying to Rich, 4, #66 of 2057 🔗

Pretty sure the numbers are plucked out of the air so lockdown will never ease due to ‘case’ numbers but gov’t already know that

419890 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 28, #67 of 2057 🔗

So this is the future,eternal lockdown with a few weeks out in the summer or is it more likely we are all being held hostage,until the vaccine is forced on everyone in the country.

419891 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #68 of 2057 🔗

Maybe people will start voting with their faces? (I’m 6th comment of the day by the way – just gone 5. I’ll not be getting higher than this again.)

419894 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #69 of 2057 🔗

Indeed. See my comment. We’ve rumbled them.

419895 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bigade, #70 of 2057 🔗

We have,but how many others?

419950 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to jonathan Palmer, -8, #71 of 2057 🔗

There will be thousand a day by April and that will continue to decline like it did last year. The thing everyone should remember is that with vaccination the numbers will not only decline but stay down. What vaccination does is prevent serious illness in other words less people in hospital and with less hospital patients you will get less infections in the community..

420091 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 37, #72 of 2057 🔗

To everyone who dislikes my comment please don’t allow yourself to be sucked into the nations negativity. We all know it’s not covid that is the problem it’s lockdown that as destroyed everyone’s humanity. The vaccine and the 98% who’ve recovered and thus immune will give us the herd immunity to free us all. Or maybe I am being too optimistic. I believe we need to look ahead and see that talk of vaccine passports needs to be countered that in the future covid will be no worse than flu. We don’t have flu passports so why covid passports ?

420141 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Derek Toyne, 9, #73 of 2057 🔗

You are being voted down because you are portraying the vaccines as capable of lessening symptoms, which is far from being proven.

420149 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Derek Toyne, 15, #74 of 2057 🔗

No worse than flu but inject every kid with experimental gene therapy to counter it. OK then. Take the vaccine if you like, please don’t shill it as my way to freedom.

420246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #75 of 2057 🔗

I am not having the vaccine not because I don’t believe it won’t work or because it’s unsafe but because I believe most of us are immune. But many of us aren’t immune and it’s them that need vaccination together with carers who look after the most vulnerable.

420302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Derek Toyne, 12, #76 of 2057 🔗

Carers, or anyone, should not be forced to have an experimental vaccine though.

421395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #77 of 2057 🔗

If you don’t think the vaccine is necessary you should stop the PR on its behalf.

420262 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #78 of 2057 🔗

As long as it remains optional I have no problem with your comment DT
Many of us fear the opposite though

420891 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #79 of 2057 🔗

I agree but it seems everyone is more concerned if the vaccine works or is safe ,rather than most of us are already immune. I work for the nhs and everyone I know whose had AZ vaccine has had side effects.One colleague who previously had covid said the side effects were ten times worse than covid. I believe we shouldn’t copy the covid scaremongers by becoming vaccine scarrmongers.
So improve your health,write to your newspapers and mp protesting and improve your immunity.

421401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Crystal Decanter, #80 of 2057 🔗

When the “volunteers” dry up they will attempt to force their lethal injections onto the rest of us.

421264 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #81 of 2057 🔗

Your views on Covid vaccines were lifted from a Pfizer press release and have nothing else to support them. What’s more you have totally overlooked the deaths and hospitalisations, that as surely as night follows day, have followed Covid vaccination.

421576 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Rowan, 2, #82 of 2057 🔗

I’ve never read any Pfizer press release or AZ for what’s it’s worth. The deaths which maybe caused by the vaccine I believe is more likely to be caused by the lockdown. What I mean is lockdown causes immunity to decline so if you happen to be with an infected person, while getting vaccinated your likely to get infected. But eventually enough will get vaccinated to build up immunity to end the pandemic.

420112 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #83 of 2057 🔗

Derek, you made a very good point and I think you are correct. Perhaps you were down ticked because you committed a common but , to some ears , irritating ,use of “less” when some would prefer “fewer” . Repeat that last sentence over to yourself and you will see that it sounds better with “fewer ” rather than “less”.

420123 ▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to mikewaite, 27, #84 of 2057 🔗

Your comment above was voted down because it is simply incorrect. Vaccines are not proven to prevent you from getting the illness, only milder symptoms. And with symptoms you will still test positive and even without symptoms you can still test positive until 90 days after an infection (with or without vaccine). A scam is a scam is a scam, and it starts with the PCR tests.

420136 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Pebbles, 4, #85 of 2057 🔗

They aren’t even proven to do that. Their trials only showed a reduction in positive PCR tests with a methodology with such little rigour, it would make a schoolboy blush.

420138 ▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Pebbles, 5, #86 of 2057 🔗

But Derek never claimed that they prevent you getting the illness. You haven’t read what he wrote; you’ve just responded on reflex. What Derek wrote was “ What vaccination does is prevent serious illness in other words less people in hospital and with less hospital patients you will get less infections in the community.”

420205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #87 of 2057 🔗

Your argument only works if you don’t understand the last bit I was aiming at – the PCR tests. A vaccine doesn’t prevent shit. Even if people won’t go to hospital, they will still have symptoms, hence will be forced to take a test, and most likely they will still spread it at home… and since we are now stuck with the “case numbers decide” narrative, those positive tests even with people at home will keep the screws on.

420280 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Pebbles, 4, #88 of 2057 🔗

I agree and try to explain to people that a vaccine is not a shield but a better weapon to fight infection. So yes you can get infected and be infectious but you won’t get severe pneumonia but instead maybe a cold. I also understand that if you’ve had covid a vaccine won’t give you more protection. So it’s bad science for the government to encourage people you’ve been infected to get vaccinated and also denies vulnerable people getting vaccinated.

420362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #89 of 2057 🔗

…. and an even better shield/weapon is vit c, d and zinc , ivermectin, HCQ, and a good diet. I agree if you have had it that you should not get a jab, but a T-cell test is, i believe the best way to know if you have a immunity.

420257 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to mikewaite, 1, #90 of 2057 🔗

Good point and shall try to remember for the future.

421413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Derek Toyne, 2, #91 of 2057 🔗

The vaccines are virtually unproven for efficacy and their safety will be very much in doubt for the next several years. Although you infer otherwise, I see you as a pusher on behalf of the vaccine lobby and possibly a paid one at that.

421594 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Rowan, 4, #92 of 2057 🔗

Sorry to say your wrong on all counts. If you’ve seen my other comments you will see I believe only those who would benefit should be vaccinated. I myself believe most of us don’t need vaccination as where immune and is why I won’t get vaccinated. But please instead of criticising me criticise those who want vaccine passports. Together we can end this madness but divided where destined for oblivion.

420122 ▶▶ BertieFox, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #93 of 2057 🔗

I don’t think the vaccine will make any difference. What difference had it made so far?

420583 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BertieFox, 6, #94 of 2057 🔗

Well, it got rid of a few people. Less mouths to feed, hospital beds to find, pensions to pay, etc, etc.

421265 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Banjones, 1, #95 of 2057 🔗

And that was the whole point behind it. The worthless globalist filth had exactly that in mind

420448 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to jonathan Palmer, #96 of 2057 🔗

Much more likely.

421384 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #97 of 2057 🔗

Yes this is all propaganda designed to conjure up as many “volunteers” for the lethal injections as they possibly can. When no more “volunteers” come forward they will come for the refuseniks and the real fight will begin.

They cannot allow a large pool of non-vaccinated to remain at large, while at the same time the vaccinated are dropping like flies, as their game would then be up. Hard times ahead for all.

419893 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 140, #98 of 2057 🔗

Bunter’s got a big problem hasn’t he…? The plan – and we know there’s a plan – is to get the whole country suckered into taking the vaccine and following that up with the app/control/covidpassport crap thing, thus sliding everyone into a ”new normal” under this totalitarian control regime they want to impose. However its going pear shaped isn’t it?

Vaccine roll-out wasn’t quick enough, vaccine take-up is slow, vaccine scepticisim is rising, vaccine reaction horror stories are leaking out. And at the same time hospitalisations are dropping, case numbers are dropping, deaths (with covid) are dropping. The urgency, the moment, is falling away before his eyes.

So what’s left in the armoury; more ”variants” and now moving the goalposts once again to this 1000 case/day target bollox. Not much is it.

How to fight back? No more PCR testing by anyone. No more vaccine take up by anyone. That has to be the message to get out there. Then its a stand-off and Doris will have to reveal his true colours. The moment he goes nuclear (enforced vaccinations, bring in the army, whatever) he’s blown it. He knows it. He must be having trouble sleeping now. Good!

419909 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bigade, 92, #99 of 2057 🔗

Why should anybody bother getting the snake oil if the concentration camp is to go on for ever? Makes no bloody difference, does it?

419924 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Annie, 54, #100 of 2057 🔗

As I said, refusal to vaccinate will force their hand. It’s a stand off, but you’re this far in anyway, what’s it matter. What is needed is a tipping point when more realise the ruse. More people starting to get the message that this is nothing to do with a virus and is something much bigger will surely cause the civil unrest and rioting that is now the only way to break this!

420479 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bigade, 25, #101 of 2057 🔗

Indeed what is going on is huge. Unless the people bring an end to the Covid hoax, it will carry on until the globalists reach their population reduction targets.

Around 95% of us will have to go, according to the Georgia Guidestones. The depopulating agents are of course, the hardly tested and zero liability vaccines, whose real work is only just getting underway. Very dangerous times ahead for all.

420687 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Rowan, 16, #102 of 2057 🔗

If there were a massive depopulation agenda, the approach isn’t the obvious one, surely? It seems a bit convoluted.

Would it not be better to design a virus that harmed babies in the developing world? Zika type of thing. Not something that attacked 80+ aged people in developed nations.

Or do something actually proven to work. You know, like educate girls so that they want careers and not 9 babies.

420733 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to sophie123, 10, #103 of 2057 🔗

It’s a good point. Also, gates and pharma would be killing their consumer base. I think these forces see great profit potential in MRNAs and the whole passport thing links in nicely with the creepy technocrats.

I don’t think they want to kill off multi millions of people but I do think they are callous enough to experiment with it and see what the consequences are. Just what they are doing basically.

421224 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #104 of 2057 🔗

It all depends on what Gates has as his priorities. He is a lifelong eugenicist, who believes the world is vastly overpopulated and so if he can make a killing, both literally and financially, on the way to a far less crowded planet then he wins both ways.

421179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sophie123, 10, #105 of 2057 🔗

I am well aware, like most of us, that Covid-19 only kills those who are about to die of something else and so of course it won’t bring about a real depopulation all by itself. However the dodgy Covid vaccines are a very different matter and already they are cutting great swathes through nursing and care homes across the globe.

Despite these early deaths, the danger for most won’t be the immediate period after the jab and their real problems will only start a year or so down the road. The ensuing glut of deaths will naturally be blamed on some new variant or other. So of course, new vaccines will be introduced designed expressly to deal with those stronger types, who resisted the vaccine cull, first time around.

421352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to sophie123, #106 of 2057 🔗

Right, they could become Marketeers or Accountants,for example.

421434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sophie123, 2, #107 of 2057 🔗

Why on earth would they want a dangerous virus running loose, which might pose a real danger to themselves and their kin. Much much better to put the depopulating agent into the vaccine for a hyped up infection, which at the end of the day may not even exist.

421351 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Bigade, 4, #108 of 2057 🔗

i just met 3 more people who wont get vaccine and am working on convincing others not to. don’t get vaccine i wont

419973 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Bigade, 35, #109 of 2057 🔗

I agree, the propoganda is all a take exercise to force vaccine take up. Why is the Daily Telegraph continuously campaigning for the facist vaccine passport and digital ID policies? Whilst they are better than the Stalinist BBC who do not allow a single squeak of dissent, I have been disappointed with the extent of Boris’ apparent control over the Telegraph.

419982 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FrankiiB, 32, #110 of 2057 🔗

” I have been disappointed with the extent of Boris’ apparent control over the Telegraph.”

Not necessarily Johnson. Bill Gates gave the DT science unit a wad of money.

420021 ▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Ceriain, 20, #111 of 2057 🔗

Yes, quite a few million quid. All in the name of philanthropy of course.

420030 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FrankiiB, 14, #112 of 2057 🔗

Bought by successive Tsunamis of Covid advertising propaganda.

421006 ▶▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to FrankiiB, 10, #113 of 2057 🔗

The ‘control’ is easy to explain. The DT have been bought off – legally. The government is their biggest advertiser with their scary ads. The DT will not bite the hand that feeds them.

419977 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bigade, 3, #114 of 2057 🔗

That’s a good plan.

419999 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Bigade, 6, #115 of 2057 🔗

I hope so. I dont know how he can live with himself the damage he is doing!

420024 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bigade, 27, #116 of 2057 🔗

And don’t forget the continued damage to the economy and society this is doing. Many of us might not know anyone who has died of Covid much less had it. But we know of people who have been made redundant, bankrupt, have died from cancer or stroke or suicide, in an abusive relationship or have succumb to addiction.

420063 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bigade, 44, #117 of 2057 🔗

What will it take for the sleeping masses to arise from their slumber and realise this is NEVER going to end by doing what their told? When they clapped for the NHS it was being turned into a Covid only service. When they put on masks they increased the fear, destroyed human connection and started believing in something as useful as a rabbit’s foot. When they took a test, just to see if they had it,they increased the cases of healthy people staying at home and forgetting what it was like to truly LIVE. When they stay at home they are telling the government we like being prisoners. What will wake them up?

420229 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liberty, 19, #118 of 2057 🔗

Once they’re hit in the pocket or stomach – tax raids on their savings and/or pensions, their cosy WFH jobs outsourced to India or their chi-chi business forced to shut down due to lack of trade.

Or mummy or daddy dying from some illness that could have been cured if it was caught early.

420370 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Bigade, 8, #119 of 2057 🔗

Free arm tattoo when you are vaccinated.

420405 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bigade, 2, #120 of 2057 🔗

He will not rest until will sell us all down the river! Lockdowns and vaxx forever!

420412 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bigade, 26, #121 of 2057 🔗

Good point. People will only take this experimental vaccine if its seen as the way out. If you then say well we can’t set you free even though you have been part of the world’s biggest science experiment, what’s their incentive for having it? Most sensible people know they are not at risk of the virus. So the only reason for getting the jab would be that’s the price for my freedom. But now the fat pig dictator is not going to open up. Your summer holiday is cancelled, well now the muggles are thinking what’s the point? Yet again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

420471 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Spikedee1, 13, #122 of 2057 🔗

Even if everyone takes the gene modification this year, it will need ‘updating’ next. Once the vax gets entered on the central data base and linked into a social credit system, we’ll be even less free. Compliance is living death.

420572 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bigade, 12, #123 of 2057 🔗

It seems from comments on Sky News Australia (Youtube) articles re the imminent ”vaccine roll out” that there are a goodly amount of sceptics. there. And an overwhelming number of ”down votes” for any talking-up of the ”vaccine”.

420582 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bigade, 3, #124 of 2057 🔗

Yes, he’d have ”blown it” but what would that mean? He’d make sure he’d keep the upper hand. He wouldn’t ”allow” a GE so that we could vote him out.

419897 Ceriain, 22, #125 of 2057 🔗

Rule One: Johnson lies!

419899 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 60, #126 of 2057 🔗

“despite the successful vaccination programme that is expected to reduce hospital admissions and deaths to a fraction of their peak levels” – you led with this without so much as a murmur. Let me remind you there is no vaccination programme, just untested, potentially very dangerous gene therapy which could only explode death numbers and hospital admissions. Stop supporting their narrative Will!

420563 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bungle, 3, #127 of 2057 🔗

And ”their peak levels” were for a very short period of time, and nearly all elderly/ill. Now that they’ve managed to get rid of all the ”dead wood” I’m not surprised if admissions turn out to be low.

419904 John David, replying to John David, 80, #128 of 2057 🔗

Time for Boris to go. Originally lock downs where to flatten the curve and to stop the health service being overwhelmed. How much longer are we going to be abused like this by our government. With the reliability of PCR tests being in question (as they are over sensitive with no international standard agreed regarding testing procedure) we’re going to be locked down forever using this criteria. And what if we go above 1000 cases do we lock down again? This is total madness.

419921 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to John David, 7, #129 of 2057 🔗

maybe they will lower the Ct and demand a complementary medical diagnosis. They won’t get below 1000 otherwise

420421 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to steve_w, 3, #130 of 2057 🔗

I just said this on another comment but I heard on my radio this morning they plan to move to LFT. Which would make the transmissions disappear too.

419975 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to John David, 32, #131 of 2057 🔗

Agreed. The only hope I have is that Sir Graham Brady could be in a position to go to him and say that, unless you lift the lockdown immediately, you are going to face a vote of confidence by MPs. Please please please Tory MPs, you can do that without him knowing who you are and escape his vicious retribution

419976 ▶▶ cubby, replying to John David, 11, #132 of 2057 🔗

You realise if Buffoon goes, Handjob will be favourite to take his place? (I’m being cynical, I don’t watch telly news or read the papers any more).

419905 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 15, #133 of 2057 🔗

So having just taken the Lockdown Personality Test from the ATL article, I am happy to proudly announce that

I’M A REBEL.

In fairness it actually nailed my personality at this time quite accurately.

419913 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #134 of 2057 🔗

I’m a sceptic. No surprises there. To cope, I should read classical philosophy apparently. Hmmm.

What I am actually doing is running a lot and drinking too much.

420553 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to sophie123, 1, #135 of 2057 🔗

Well, Johnson reads classical philosophy, I daresay, and it hasn’t done HIM much good, has it?

420557 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to sophie123, #136 of 2057 🔗

Same on all counts; although I’ve just decided to give up alcohol for Lent *gulp*.

421505 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to mattghg, #137 of 2057 🔗

good luck with that !

421503 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to sophie123, 1, #138 of 2057 🔗

yep told me I was a sceptic too and to read classical philosophy. Don’t see how it is going to help much in the current climate where I am worried about a digital ID/ vax passport more than I am worried about getting covid.

419920 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #139 of 2057 🔗

It just told me what questions I had answered back to me

419938 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #140 of 2057 🔗

Yep – I wasn’t in the slightest bit surprised to find that I also came up as Rebel.

419967 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #141 of 2057 🔗

It kept kicking me out and going back to the start so I gave up. I know it’s only for fun but I and am sure many others consider themselves caring and sceptic. Surely these traits aren’t mutually exclusive?

420425 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Richy_m_99, #142 of 2057 🔗

You got your mama in a whirl…….

420577 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richy_m_99, #143 of 2057 🔗

Me too. How do I insert the nose ring?

420842 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #144 of 2057 🔗

I’m also a rebel and very proud to be too. I thought the analysis about my personality was spot on.

419907 Annie, replying to Annie, 38, #145 of 2057 🔗

Over the entrance to Auschwitz was a sign ‘Arbeit macht frei.’
It was a lie.
There was no exit except through the innumerable doors marked ‘death’.

After the war, they took the commandant of. Auschwitz and hanged him right next to that sign.

Vaccine macht frei.

Yeah.

420508 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 2, #146 of 2057 🔗

How interesting it would be visit a parallel universe in which the Nazi’s prevailed.

Would Jews even be spoken about? How would their disappearance have been explained if they were?

It would be an insight into how society will deal with the memory of free(ish) humans later this century

420567 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to stewart, #147 of 2057 🔗

Apparently Hitler wondered about this, but thought that nobody would care about it after a while :

Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?

421509 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to stewart, #148 of 2057 🔗

you should read “Fatherland” by Robert Harris – it is precisely about what you have just wondered about.

419908 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #149 of 2057 🔗

From ATL, lockdown personality test concludes that I am a Rebel and advised me thus.

419911 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 10, #150 of 2057 🔗

So people are behaving oddly because they are terrified.
They’ve been non-stop terrified for a year now. How that possible? It isn’t. Not for people. Not for anything even remotely human.

420244 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Annie, 11, #151 of 2057 🔗

Annie, I agree. I think a lot of them have been driven over the brink into madness.

We had a bit of sun the other day here on the south coast. I was on an empty residential road and a woman walking towards me jumped into the road to avoid my unmasked (outdoors!) face. I said “it’s a beautiful day” and she looked at me as if I was trying to bewitch her.

I believe some of them have been driven into outright madness. Not surprising, considering what’s been thrown at people, especially those who watch tv.

Of course, mentally unbalanced people can be quite dangerous, especially if they feel threatened. I cross the road when one of the masked ones comes towards me since it could be one of the dangerous ones.

420455 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to ConstantBees, 14, #152 of 2057 🔗

We live at the bottom of a hill. Opposite a park. We get lots of dog walkers up and down the road. As we were driving out yesterday some bloke just stepped into the road in front of me to avoid coming within six feet of a lady coming down the road. Luckily I was not going fast and managed to not knock him over. He then made the mistake of giving me a dirty look for using my horn.
I then gently reminded him that the risk of catching and dying of a virus while walking at five mph past another human being was a lot less that being fucking run over!! We seem to have gone backwards since December when you could walk round the park mask free and nobody would jump out your way. We seem to be back to not walking by one another again. I don’t watch TV, have they ramped this social distancing bullshit again?

420589 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #153 of 2057 🔗

Must be the new variant hogwash – the weird wall-facing thing is quite new and so contrived that they must have got it from somewhere like the news, ads or newspapers.

420697 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #154 of 2057 🔗

I read that as a new variant of hogwash, rather than virus.

Which it is.

420937 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #155 of 2057 🔗

I just moved from a somewhat more working class area to one that’s more middle class. Masks outside on the local high street went from an occasional sighting to almost 100%. Happily, I order almost everything online since I go into fits of hypervigilance if I’m surrounded by maskoids.

421514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #156 of 2057 🔗

yep – apparently we will never be able to not social distance ever again [according to Bojo]

420505 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 7, #157 of 2057 🔗

They are behaving oddly because they are weak and stupid.

I have only contempt for all but a few humans at this point.

420630 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to karenovirus, 1, #158 of 2057 🔗

Sounds a tad too conciliatory to the “terrified” to me……Typical psychobabble

419910 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 31, #159 of 2057 🔗

2 things to take away from the first article:
John Lee has sold out with respect to the vaccines.
Johnson has now reached the pitiful level of out and out blackmailer*.
*He’s been doing it for while, I know (“be good and you can have Christmas, etc”), but this is now blatant. The message now is “take the vaccine, or this never ends!”

419912 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 18, #160 of 2057 🔗

Even that isn’t the message. The vaccine doesn’t stop infections. None of them even claims to.

419922 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 2, #161 of 2057 🔗

Indeed, Annie.

419927 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Ceriain, 7, #162 of 2057 🔗

Yes, it’s so shamelessly clear now. Take the vac, take the app…..and then we’ve got you. Your liberty back, but on our terms!

419936 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bigade, 41, #163 of 2057 🔗

But it’s not liberty, though!
I watched Jamie Cullen’s video; there was a piece on the Isle of Man, which is currently closed off to the rest of the human race. There was a moron describing what they had as “freedom”. I was screaming at the screen, “You’re on a fucking prison island, you moron! You’re in fucking Alcatraz!”

420636 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 3, #164 of 2057 🔗

Same in NZ and Oz

420502 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bigade, 1, #165 of 2057 🔗

i.e no liberty at all.

419946 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ceriain, 18, #166 of 2057 🔗

My take is that we all need to be Out on this, ie loud and proud that we won’t be having the Vax. I can understand why people might feel scared to openly pronounce they won’t be having it – but imo we do need to be “loud and proud” about it – to help give the courage to resist to those wavering. Anyway – one of my few satisfactions in this is going to be “Told you so – and I can prove it”. All the evidence will be there come The Reckoning at the end of all this to say “There – there’s the proof I was right against this from early on and I’m not telling lies when I say ‘OOOOH….I didn’t agree with it’ or ‘OOOOOOH – well I always had reservations’ “. There will be people saying “I agreed with you lot all along” when they didn’t at all – and we’ve been the ones shouting/protesting/generally making the effort to get Bloody Lockdown lifted – so others can take a running jump if they try and join the party late (after we’re proved right).

420096 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ceriain, 8, #167 of 2057 🔗

The abuser throws you ‘breadcrumbs’ to give you hope, but then the abuse resumes. Textbook stuff.

420543 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basileus, 2, #168 of 2057 🔗

Hopeful people are more easily controlled, but the volume must be managed. Too much hope leaves a person emboldened and resistant. Too little leaves them disabled and useless. But just the right amount of hope subjugates them. They cradle it like a dying ember, and they’ll do anything to keep the wind from extinguishing it…..”

They’ve got it about right for the majority of people, haven’t they?

420498 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ceriain, 2, #169 of 2057 🔗

The message now is “take the vaccine, or this never ends!”

That is the message.
But like all the other messages, it’s bullshit.
This NEVER ends.

419914 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #170 of 2057 🔗

Nadhim Zahawi, the Vaccines Minister, who has repeatedly assured us that “we” will not introduce a vaccine passport, has started to change his tune by pointing out that other countries may demand proof of vaccination and “we” will obviously cooperate, and by claiming that it is a matter for organisations if they wish to require proof of vaccination and the NHS will make it easy for people to have access to their vaccination records. I suspect Mr Zahawi thinks he is exceedingly clever and a highly skilled politician.

419916 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #171 of 2057 🔗

He is a thug, a bully, and a liar. Same thing, I suppose.

419925 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #172 of 2057 🔗

Zahawi is a scumbag, just like the rest of them.

420098 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ceriain, 4, #173 of 2057 🔗

Second richest MP.

419974 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Hayes, 23, #174 of 2057 🔗

Even by the standards of this shower, Zahawi looks shifty and untrustworthy, and an incorrigible liar. A nasty piece of work, I’ll warrant.

We must judge Johnson by the company he keeps.

420491 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to TJN, 2, #175 of 2057 🔗

G. Osborne said he was “impressive”. Must be another of his proteges.

420728 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bugle, 2, #176 of 2057 🔗

Osborne has a great deal to answer for.

420398 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #177 of 2057 🔗

Zahawi is just the epitome of the predator class. Ruthless, unprincipled, deceitful, duplicitous, dishonest, selfish, arrogant and psychopathic.

An Alpha Predator. Evil Evil Evil Evil Evil

How’s that not one F or C word.

420487 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Hayes, #178 of 2057 🔗

They don’t confront you, they surround you.

420492 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Hayes, #179 of 2057 🔗

He is clever. He’s scammed most of the British population.

420532 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to stewart, 2, #180 of 2057 🔗

He’s Mr Yougov. How convenient.

421140 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Steve Hayes, #181 of 2057 🔗

From today’s YouGov poll (run by Zahawi)

421520 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Mutineer, -1, #182 of 2057 🔗

if 59% think it is a good thing then we are done for

419915 sophie123, replying to sophie123, 87, #183 of 2057 🔗

The ATL thought experiment (‘imagine that a you live in a village of 500 people”) amuses me because I DO live in a village of 500 people. And this is EXACTLY how I first thought about the pandemic.

i had imagined that some of us would get sick, and a few of the frail elderly might die. These are people I would expect to die within the next few years anyway. They are old and doddery and have carers. I based this on the data out of Wuhan. I was rather nonplussed by this. Old people have to die sometime.

What has actually happened is 2 neighbours caught it at Cheltenham last year, and were unwell. For a week or two. They are fine now. Nobody else has had it and all the doddery oldsters are still doddering about.

420299 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to sophie123, 7, #184 of 2057 🔗

That’s because of the lockdown! Imagine if we hadn’t locked down they would be piling up in the street.

420457 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #185 of 2057 🔗

I know that your post is satire so I won’t downtick you 😉

420707 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #186 of 2057 🔗

Hahaha. Of course.

Except that most of us haven’t been. Secret dinner parties, children playing out etc
We have a 500 person bubble. Still annoyed at pub being shut though.

420755 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to sophie123, 3, #187 of 2057 🔗

Haha exactly how it should be done 500 person bubble sounds about right!

420464 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to sophie123, 3, #188 of 2057 🔗

Yes they only look at those old folk that sadlidied but not at the majority that gladlydidn’tdie.

419917 primesinister, replying to primesinister, 49, #189 of 2057 🔗

A big up to all the sceptics that are keeping their shit together,
im a failure and not that great a person and im letting you good people down because i am close to losing my grip on the thin thread of my life thAat has kept me going and im sorry i mean what is the fuckin point

419919 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to primesinister, 37, #190 of 2057 🔗

Being on here is proof that you are a good, caring and thinking person

419926 ▶▶ Annie, replying to primesinister, 45, #191 of 2057 🔗

The point us to resist them! The point is to live! The point is that you are a living, breathing human being with a brain, and we need you!
Don’t give up. Stay with us.The who.ple rotten edifice will collapse and we will dance on the ruins.

419933 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to primesinister, 36, #192 of 2057 🔗

Have a cup of tea. And stick with us, kid. You’re needed here.

419935 ▶▶ Karin505, replying to primesinister, 63, #193 of 2057 🔗

It’s an effing mess, Prime sinister! I lost everything in the lockdown. My wheelchair accessible gym, time spend with my mom because of the travel ban, she died in the Summer, my already bad health, attending my dad’s cremation last Spring. Then there are the millions of dying kids in developing countries…I have no wisdom or advice just, try to do something good one thing a day.

A few weeks ago I ended up in emergency psychiatric care. It was my lowest point but at least, finally talked ‘face to face’ with professionals instead of Zoom (ugh). I derive strength from reading LS especially BTL since last April (this is my first post thanks to your comment) and Reddit/LockdownSkeptics.

I’ve lost friendships over this, live in the most draconian state after California. But it’s not the UK and I think of you guys. Best wishes, and please find help!

420192 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Karin505, 7, #194 of 2057 🔗

Stay strong Karin. So sorry to hear about your parents. This too shall pass but it won’t pass without a fight.

420234 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Karin505, 3, #195 of 2057 🔗

KBO Karin.

The truth will prevail in the end.

419941 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to primesinister, 21, #196 of 2057 🔗

The point is that you are RIGHT, and right will prevail!

419949 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to primesinister, 26, #197 of 2057 🔗

Stay with it – stay strong. We all have to devise different tactics to try and handle this and carry on fighting/carry on living. I know my own is to have an official Meltdown Day sometimes (say once a week). On that day – I get out the wine, eat what I please (regardless of calorie considerations), write in my journal (where I tell it EXACTLY as it is) and thoroughly agree with myself that I should not have to put up with the stupidity called Lockdown. Then I pick myself back up again the next day – and carry on fighting and waiting/waiting/waiting for my Normal life to resume.

421524 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to ElizaP, #198 of 2057 🔗

imagine being able to limit it to only one day a week – way I feel at mo it is almost every day!!! but great suggestion – we all need to be kinder to ourselves as well as each other during this madness. Unfortunately my experience in my area is that it is every man for himself and people show zero consideration for others – I put that down to the de-humanisation of the social distancing

419985 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to primesinister, 18, #199 of 2057 🔗

primesinister, you are not letting anyone down by feeling miserable and depressed – I think most of us here have been there off and on during this nightmare.

Please hold on, keep posting and get yourself some dopamine ( https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/11/latest-news-282/#comment-408962 ), it will help you feel better.

Take good care of your own needs, and remember we are here for you!

419998 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to primesinister, 16, #200 of 2057 🔗

I think most, if not all, of us have been losing the grip at times.
Stick with it. One day sanity will prevail.

420045 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to primesinister, 29, #201 of 2057 🔗

Sympathies my friend. My husband is in the blackest mood ever today, he read the news (I tell him not to) and says there will be no end to this. He is a strong, resolute person but has gone out for a run now to hammer out the anger and despair. I hope he comes back. What can we do?

420139 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to primesinister, 10, #202 of 2057 🔗

don’t give up. it isn’t over til it’s over. good always triumphs over evil – it’s the ultimate law of the universe. stay around to see it/to help it on its way/to bear witness to evil – any one of those 3 is worth it.

420255 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to primesinister, 9, #203 of 2057 🔗

You’re not the only one struggling, you know. I find myself slipping into hypervigilance, which leads me to search online for hours for escape routines – change countries, whatever. All I can do is ride it out and try to remember that the feeling did pass each of the other 158 times it’s happened in the last year.

Yesterday was bad. Today is a bit better. Find a small thing that gives you pleasure and do it. I ate three pieces of chocolate yesterday instead of my usual one.

420332 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to primesinister, 5, #204 of 2057 🔗

we all knew this was going to be a “challenging year”. You are not a failure ‘cos you are on LS which shows you are not one of the blinkered populace. Get outside walk tall, and im sure you will get lots of ideas from the other contributors on her, oh and you have the best user name 🙂 I smile every time you post.

420343 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to primesinister, 7, #205 of 2057 🔗

Agree with you. I swing between positivity and negativity, my mental health has suffered badly and its been an eyeopener to see who really cares and those who don’t.

The irony is that I’ve received more help and support from people here than from people I know and that’s saying something.

420396 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to primesinister, 8, #206 of 2057 🔗

How are you a failure? The very fact you come on here and question the narrative means you aren’t. The sheep are the failures at living, at being human, at protecting liberty and other people. I think just about everyone on here has moments like you are feeling now. Please don’t give up and stay with us.

420517 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to primesinister, 7, #207 of 2057 🔗

The point is you are precious. Life is precious. It should be celebrated every single day. Look around you, all these things are temporary, 100 years ago there were no jet engines, 200 years ago we were using horses as transport, 500 years ago only the rich had brick houses and 2000 years ago we were taken over by the Romans. 1 year ago we went into lockdown. 1 year from now we will look back and say well what the fuck was that all about? I have started exercising really hard and I have made it a trial to try and learn a new song on guitar every week. Trying my Sharrona at the moment, killer solo.
If you let your head drop they have won. They want you to be compliant, they want you broken and weak. Every day you should kick back and scream “I will not bow down to you, I will not go into your darkness, I am free, I am free, I am free” stay strong.

419918 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 28, #208 of 2057 🔗

reply from my MP yesterday

“I am lobbying the Government, along with my parliamentary colleagues Steve Baker and Mark Harper in the Covid Recovery Group, to begin easing lockdown now – with the majority of restrictions eased by May at the latest. There will be no justification for current restrictions once all over-50s have been offered a jab. Schools must be open to all pupils by 8 March. I am glad the Government continues to commit to this date. Reopening England’s schools on 8 March is a national priority that must be achieved.

Whilst I am entirely supportive of the sterling work being undertaken to roll out the vaccine programme, as you know, I have consistently questioned some of the more anti-common sense decisions regarding lockdown as I see them. COVID is a serious disease and we must control it. However, just like COVID, lockdowns and restrictions cause immense social and health damage, and have a huge impact on people’s livelihoods.

The vaccine gives us immunity from COVID, but it must also give us permanent immunity from COVID-related lockdowns and restrictions. There is no question in my mind that this lockdown must absolutely be the last. Ministers must never again be free to impose crippling restrictions without proper scrutiny.”

I obviously replied taking strong issue with the phrase “ Ministers must never again be free to impose crippling restrictions without proper scrutiny ” and the sentence “COVID is a serious disease and we must control it”

Apart from that it seems positive

419932 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to steve_w, 3, #209 of 2057 🔗

Positive about vaccines which do not exist.

419944 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bungle, 10, #210 of 2057 🔗

“The vaccine gives us immunity from COVID”

That bit is a lie!

420134 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Ceriain, 3, #211 of 2057 🔗

But if the MPs think that it does is it wise to correct them?. We don’t want them to think that nothing but a permanent , vicious ,lockdown will “control” this scourge.

420677 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 1, #212 of 2057 🔗

Yeah but ssshhhhh……at least they are ONLY looking at jabbing all over 50s!
Twazzocks 🤯

419942 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to steve_w, 20, #213 of 2057 🔗

YOU CANNOT CONTROL A VIRUS!!!!

419947 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #214 of 2057 🔗

DELUSIONAL ARROGANCE PLUS!!!
Trying to control a virus, that is.

419948 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #215 of 2057 🔗

yes, I took strong issue with that but haven’t had back his latest response

420140 ▶▶ popo says, replying to steve_w, 1, #216 of 2057 🔗

It’s still a good reply by any standard: do you know all I got from my MP despite banging on the door?

Sent on behalf of Bob Seely MBE MP

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email. Bob is supportive of the MHRA and their view that the vaccinations currently in use are safe to be administered to the public.

Kind regards,

Mr Alex Fynney
Senior Caseworker, Office of Bob Seely MBE MP”

[Must be a ‘barrel-scraper’ eh?]

420351 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to popo says, 2, #217 of 2057 🔗

At least it’s a response.. mine stopped replying to emails a while ago from myself (and at least one other person I have spoken to anecdotally, locally). She does however have time to campaign for rejoining the EU, and has no qualms about raking in £75k in expenses.

420190 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to steve_w, 4, #218 of 2057 🔗

A positive letter indeed with the exception of the Covid immunity thing. But maybe good to fight one fight at a time – first abolish the lockdown law, then fight the vaccine.

It might be worthwhile sending the letter from UK Medical Freedom Alliance with your reply, asking for an enquiry of the car home deaths after vaccines… which is happening all over Europe. Also worthwhile sending him the scientific facts that vaccine does not give you immunity… it will only give you milder symptoms and people will still catch the disease, they can still spread it for all we know and thus still test positive.

So how on earth would a vaccine passport even work? It is laughable and clearly designed to bolster another agenda.

Keep up the dialogue with your MP though. I have given up completely with mine. He is basically up Hancock’s arse with a torch each morning given his replies.

419923 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #219 of 2057 🔗

taking the Zoe app and modelling forward with an R=0.9 (the current value), we get below 1000 cases per day by 15th June

419931 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to steve_w, 7, #220 of 2057 🔗

‘R’ has no meaning in science. It is an invention of modellers.

419939 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bungle, 1, #221 of 2057 🔗

like temperature – it is an invention of statisticians but a useful one

419964 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to steve_w, -6, #222 of 2057 🔗

False comparison Steve – see if you can work out why? Statistics 101 might help.

419968 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bungle, 5, #223 of 2057 🔗

temperature is a variable in an equation that describes the probability distribution function of the energies of particles – it has no real existence outside a statisticians head. particle energies and velocities do.

R is similar – it is a way of describing rates of change – it is useful and that is why it is used widely – before this coronapanic and after – it will still be used

420008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to steve_w, 6, #224 of 2057 🔗

I think I see what you are saying. But temperature is not that hard to measure? There are some widely accepted standards.

For R, they just pull numbers out of their arses.

The equivalent would be me putting my hand on my child’s forehead and proclaiming “37.56C!” Rather than “hmmm feels a little bit warm maybe?”

420079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to sophie123, 3, #225 of 2057 🔗

There are lots of severe issues with data in this. I personally prefer to attack the data, its interpretation and the ridiculous policies that arise from it rather than attack broadly understood epidemiological theory. Humans have done rather well in controlling disease over the years – this coronapanic is entirely different. But I don’t think it means we can’t talk about R values, ‘cases’, deaths etc we just have to take a barrel of salt with it because it is much harder to measure than temperature.

420082 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #226 of 2057 🔗

when I say epidemiological theory I don’t mean the nonsense Ferguson pumps out

420735 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Bungle, #227 of 2057 🔗

steve_w is correct. Temperature in the sense that most people understand it is a contrived and arbitrary human scale measurement. The Celsius scale is nothing more than an index of the freezing point and boiling point of one of the most abundant compounds on the planet under defined temperature and pressures. Hint water boils at a lower “temperature” with increasing altitude.

420108 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to steve_w, #228 of 2057 🔗

Well all scientific relationships were ‘invented’ by someone. In this case, for a large number of molecules there is an exact equivalence:

mean molecular kinetic energy = 3/2 kT,

where K is the Boltzmann constant and T is the Kelvin temperature.

420182 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Basileus, #229 of 2057 🔗

its a mean – it has no more real existence than the mean height of people in a room. But like R, it can be useful if treated correctly

420705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to steve_w, #230 of 2057 🔗

The difference is in the numbers. Quantity has a quality all its own. There might be 100 people in a large room, but there are something like 10 to the power 27 (a trillion trillion trillion) air molecules.

419983 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, #231 of 2057 🔗

Yes, and it’s inferred from existing data, so can be above or below 1 as they wish.

420010 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bungle, 3, #232 of 2057 🔗

R will ‘evolve’ into Q…and Q will be an evil variant of the P…..

419928 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 6, #233 of 2057 🔗

Did I really read that Dr Lee proposed ‘we should trust the vaccines’ and ‘protect the NHS’.

419937 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Hattie, 4, #234 of 2057 🔗

Very disappointed by that.

419955 ▶▶ danny, replying to Hattie, 20, #235 of 2057 🔗

Just read the article too. I feel like he is taking a conciliatory tone as his overriding concern has always been to end lockdown. From the point of view of a medical doctor, Lee has always said lockdown is unwarranted and has an enormous impact on other medical conditions.
So I feel like he is essentially saying, ok, you’ve had your vaccine. Open up now.

419970 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to danny, 7, #236 of 2057 🔗

I can see your point, but he could equally have taken a neutral stance by just stating that now the at risk have been vaccinated there is no justification for LD, but to advocate we should ‘trust’ the vaccines implies the vaccines are beyond criticism and of little concern. Hearing this from someone who has always challenged the narrative will no doubt sway some of those that were on the fence towards the vaccine. It just seems so many initial sceptics, including LS site, bar Delingpole, are supportive of vaccinating a population with untrialled drugs.

420017 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Hattie, 15, #237 of 2057 🔗

I am not at all supportive of widespread vaccination. What we should do is let the super vulnerable, the gullible and scared vaccinate themselves and then the rest of us just get on like normal.

Being charitable, maybe he’s saying frightened people should trust the vaccine so that they are urged to return to normal life? BecUse it’s going to be hard for them to rejoin the world of the sane without a magic talisman.

420530 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Hattie, 1, #238 of 2057 🔗

Gene modifying drugs. Even if their purpose was benign, no one can predict medium to long term outcomes. But since the drugs are backed and promoted by a person with a self-confessed enthusiasm for euthanasia and depopulation by vaccination, they should be resolutely refused.

420006 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Hattie, 3, #239 of 2057 🔗

He also said your immune system ‘evolved’ over 600 mn years. No organism survives an ‘evolving’ complexity. Either you have it or you don’t. If you don’t have it, you die. As soon as I read that bullshit I knew that Dr Lee is about as trustworthy as Ferguson’s undergrad created 15 yr old application code. Bullshit all of it.

421529 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Hattie, #240 of 2057 🔗

someone must have nobbled him with the promise of a gong if he changed his tune. I am very disappointed in him.

419929 Annie, replying to Annie, 8, #241 of 2057 🔗

So this goes on for ever?
So furlough goes on for ever?
Shome mishtake, surely, Fishi Rishi?

420004 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, #242 of 2057 🔗

Hindoo magic money maker Knickknack. His Hindoo Highness is from Golden Slacks. His great Hindooness is a millionaire. He could care less about public finances. He will turn furlough into UBI, and then take a run for Doris Nut Nut’s job.

420941 ▶▶ cubby, replying to Annie, 1, #243 of 2057 🔗

I think it´s called comminism. Apparently it´s never been tried properly……

420943 ▶▶▶ cubby, replying to cubby, #244 of 2057 🔗

Communism?

419930 Mars-in-Aries, replying to Mars-in-Aries, -21, #245 of 2057 🔗

The Gibralter thing is a red herring. The number of cases goes and and goes down. The number of deaths goes up and goes down two weeks later, exactly as we would expect. The vaccinations were obviously introduced too late to have any effect on the disease in real terms and so is entirely unconnected with the rate of cases or deaths.

419969 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 1, #246 of 2057 🔗

Your logical inability is quite astounding. If you have ever had an animal put down,please tell me how long after the jab it was before they croaked? Discount frogs, please.

419980 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 19, #247 of 2057 🔗

If it was just Gibraltar, you might have a point. There is a recurring pattern in that once a nation starts mass-vaccination the death rate sky-rockets. It happened in the UK in a way not seen in Italy, Spain, Germany or France (all of which are lagging way behind the UK in vaccinations). It happened in Israel but not in Palestine, where they were complaining about being denied enough access to vaccines. At some stage you have to stop and say “what is going on here?”. It can’t all be down to coincidence.

420009 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Chicot, 4, #248 of 2057 🔗

what is going on here?”. It can’t all be down to coincidence.

Indeed.

420013 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Chicot, 1, #249 of 2057 🔗

You might want to look at the UAE as well…..

420793 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Bigade, 3, #250 of 2057 🔗

Lol. I see what you mean. Nothing to see here. It’s just another coincidence. We’re just bonkers and hysterical.

420032 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Chicot, -14, #251 of 2057 🔗

There is a recurring pattern in that once a nation starts mass-vaccination the death rate sky-rockets. “

Yet you have absolutely no evidence that is the case. You are just as bonkers as the pro-mask lobby. Seeing precisely what you want to see in the same hysterical fashion.

Regrettably you are just as much part of the problem as the mask fanatics.Somebody running on emotion, not reason.

420121 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #252 of 2057 🔗

nobody runs solely on reason. not even you. that is not how the human brain works. if it did, we would be machines.

420537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to JaneHarry, #253 of 2057 🔗

It’s part of the training.

420210 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #254 of 2057 🔗

ONS data is clear that deaths ‘from/with’ Covid in care homes rose dramatically (trebled) in January, after vaccinations had been introduced into care homes. There’s also anecdotal evidence of post-vax outbreaks in care homes and the whistleblower reported on UK Column, but I prefer to rely on the ONS stats. Something’s amiss’; of greater concern is that it’s unreported.

420298 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #255 of 2057 🔗

I’m not running on emotion at all. I’ve been keeping a close eye on the data and this is what I’m seeing. If you can come up with an alternative explanation then please suggest it instead of throwing around silly insults.

420751 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #256 of 2057 🔗

So we should just accept higher deaths now without questioning but when it was COOVID no one was allowed to die from anything else?
Nothing to see here……double standards at very least
Doing a great job at convincing me something is wrong, thanks

420126 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Chicot, 2, #257 of 2057 🔗

Exactly. It seems obvious what is happening. A very small number are being flat out killed by the vaccine reactions. However the big thing is that a significant number of people are getting fever and flu symptoms for a few days. When the very first people you are targeting are the most frail then it should not be a surprise that we see a sudden surge of deaths in the people that are frail enough for a few days of flu symptoms to kill them. To top it off, the ones that do just about survive it get thrown into a covid ward. The Gibraltar graph seems to fit this theory very well. The only shadow of doubt is in the gradual increase before vaccinations started.

420000 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 14, #258 of 2057 🔗

Covidiot.

So an 85 yr old dies without the vaxx you the covidiot cult scream Covid.

I inject the same person with your poison which according to your cult, ensures that he will never die of anything, and suddenly 2 days later he is dead. Your cult screams old age.

Flock off.

420051 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to FerdIII, #259 of 2057 🔗

“Flock off.”

Indeed!

420022 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 3, #260 of 2057 🔗

I had the same initial reaction, but that sudden spike in deaths is very fishy. Looks to me about half and half vaccine deaths plus COVID deaths.

The Norwegians look to be the most transparent so far. Has any other country shown death rates? Does the US data show anything?

420027 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Mars-in-Aries, -4, #261 of 2057 🔗

It’s a small area and they had a cluster outbreak amongst some vulnerable people. Occam’s Razor.

Unfortunately this comments section has been taken over by those with a bee in their bonnet.

420049 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #262 of 2057 🔗

A cluster outbreak of the very deadly Scam-19 …

420211 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 2, #263 of 2057 🔗

I hope your right about Gibraltar my mother came from there and I’ve visited many times. As many people have pointed out these vaccine deaths are not just occurring there but all over the world. We should not forget that before the vaccine only ten in Gibraltar died of covid after the vaccine fifty died. I believe this would be equivalent of 6000 a day if Gibraltar had the same population as the UK. If that occurred no one would get vaccinated and we would be back to square one.

420361 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Derek Toyne, #264 of 2057 🔗

Unless the vulnerable had been shielded and herd immunity had been allowed for the remainder of the population then the vulnerable would be protected. They would still be susceptible to the normal illness that have always been there.

The situation has been caused by the failure to follow the correct path initially.

420513 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 1, #265 of 2057 🔗

I think you should change your user name to
The sun is in line with Uranus.

419934 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 85, #266 of 2057 🔗

After several months of hailing these vaccines as some kind of great moment of human ingenuity, with Matt Hancock himself describing them as “the cavalry” – the golden ticket out of this horrendous cycle of lockdowns, yet again the mask slips and we see these brutal, sociopathic monsters for what they really are.

They are control freaks of the worst possible nature. Abusers. Covid monomaniacs, who would see a million children take their own lives before they relieve a pound of pressure on the boots firmly planted on our throats.

THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE CASE NUMBERS. It now doesn’t matter how many lemmings queue up for their poison. The tyrants will always make sure the ball is in their court, the wind is forever in their sails as we are hurtled towards a tracked and traced dystopian hell that resembles something from an Orwell novel.

The Dutch curfew has been deemed unlawful by the courts because thousands of people took to the streets and set things on fire. It’s ugly, but it works. Nobody is coming to rescue us, we can only save ourselves.

The sooner those who can yet be saved realise this, the better.

420119 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Scotty87, 1, #267 of 2057 🔗

but they have all the tanks and all the guns. violence is a non-starter for our side.

420160 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to JaneHarry, 19, #268 of 2057 🔗

Tanks and guns are just elaborate pieces of metal until you use them. It is not the ownership of weapons that is important , but the thought that a British Govt would shoot down thousands of its own people in defence of a policy intended to protect people from a form of flu.
You could say that the British Govt , in fairly recent years , has form in that respect : Bloody Sunday in Derry . But the fallout from that , still ongoing actually , is such that no sane govt would repeat it. The question is : is the PM and his advisors sane?

420197 ▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to mikewaite, 6, #269 of 2057 🔗

Peterloo massacre anyone? They’ll repeat if needed I’m sure, but the plan appears to be to get us all to kill ourselves so they don’t need to do any physical dirty work!

420748 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to mikewaite, 4, #270 of 2057 🔗

Where are the signs of sanity in the government? I see Desmond Swayne and very little else.

420966 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Scotty87, 4, #271 of 2057 🔗

It’s an inconvenient truth, but violence works.
That’s why governments insist on having the monopoly.

421274 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Scotty87, 1, #272 of 2057 🔗

Calvary more like followed by the potter’s field.

419940 Henry2, replying to Henry2, 12, #273 of 2057 🔗

2020: protect the NHS
2021: protect the vaccine

Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

419996 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Henry2, 6, #274 of 2057 🔗

2022: protect against the variants
2023: protect against anti-vaxxers who refuse the poison…

420322 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to FerdIII, 8, #275 of 2057 🔗

If we’re safe until 2023, I’ll take that as a win. Oh, and please don’t spread that “anti-vaxxer” thing. I’ve had plenty of vaccines in my life, starting with the polio one when I was a girl in the 60s.

420046 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Henry2, 3, #276 of 2057 🔗

202x: Protect Bill Gates.

419943 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #277 of 2057 🔗

The NHS comes in for a lot of criticism here on LS. This has been my recent experience.
After going downhill for several days last week and failing to get anywhere on my GP Surgery website I sent an email outlining some symptoms.
This was replied to with a generic message about using said website.

To my surprise I then got a triage phone call asking for further details following which I was invited to the surgery that very afternoon.
That resulted in a partial diagnosis with a revisit the following day for a blood test.
The next working day my GP phoned to invite me back in for a follow up consultation, further tests extended his diagnosis.
Immediate prescriptions led to the alleviation of painful symptoms and I am apparently in line for visits to hematology and x-ray with max wait of two weeks.

9 out of 10 thus far.

Some observations.
During three visits to the (10 Doctors) surgery I was the only person in the waiting area (10-20 mins wait per visit).
All Medical staff wore the basic blue and white face nappy with only support staff using more fancy ones.
The only other reference to Covid was the bloods nurse sticking a thermometer in my ear for five seconds.

419951 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #278 of 2057 🔗

That’s encouraging.Even in the National Covid zService there must be some good corners!

419961 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, 4, #279 of 2057 🔗

That’s the people, real leaders. The NHS is the managers, complete tosspots, towropes or whatever other noun beginning with ‘t’ that you choose.

419972 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 1, #280 of 2057 🔗

Karen, can I send you a private message?

420076 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, #281 of 2057 🔗

You can but I’m not sure I’ll recieve it. I understand PMs go through the forums ?

421001 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 1, #282 of 2057 🔗

Good point, no problem. I hope all goes well for you.

420060 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #283 of 2057 🔗

They’re the ones we never hear of – the ones who simply get on with it.

More power to them.

420111 ▶▶ davews, replying to karenovirus, 5, #284 of 2057 🔗

I have always been very critical of our local surgery after they locked the front gate last April. Only one visit since lockdown, for my flu jab, which was done on the steps outside…. But the other day totally out of the blue they rang and had made an appointment for may annual blood tests at the surgery so maybe there is life. Then they said their pharmacist would ring me to do the review of my medicines. They don’t have a pharmacy there so no idea who this ‘pharmacist’ will be and in any case I thought it was my GP who should be telling me what my pills should be.

As part of this I took my blood pressure this morning, sadly it is way up but I suspect there is a reason for that – damned lockdown!

420369 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to karenovirus, 3, #285 of 2057 🔗

I am pleased you got the tests you need so quickly, however part of me says of course it would all be quick due to the fact GP’s and the NHS hospitals are treating far fewer people generally. When has anyone ever gone to a GP when the waiting room is empty?

419945 danny, replying to danny, 32, #286 of 2057 🔗

If the rhetoric “necessitating” lockdown now has shifted from 1) protect the NHS, to 2) lower the R rate, to 3) lower the mortality rate, to eventually 4) lower the numbers testing positive, then the answer is simple.
We need a campaign and a concerted push to stop these morons getting tested.
As has been the case almost since day 1, end the testing, end the “pandemic”.

419954 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 9, #287 of 2057 🔗

Trouble is – ‘they’ could tell us any number. How could we know if ‘they’ are telling us the truth? How do WE check how many people are being tested, and where, and are they repeated tests, false positives, etc?
‘They’ have us over a barrel.

419958 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Banjones, 5, #288 of 2057 🔗

True.
But at the very least confronting work colleagues and friends who proudly tell you how many times a second they voluntarily get tested.

419960 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 9, #289 of 2057 🔗

I don’t think most even know why they do. I get the feeling sometimes that it’s the most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them in their narrow little lives – to be a part of the great tragedy, and they’re the ones helping to save the world. Pathetic, isn’t it?

419959 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Banjones, 1, #290 of 2057 🔗

Only if you stay at home – get out, shout and shake it all about!

419963 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bungle, 2, #291 of 2057 🔗

Oh, I do! With bells on!
Perhaps we should picket testing centres….. but, then again, they’re always empty anyway, so it would be a bit pointless.

420074 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Banjones, 5, #292 of 2057 🔗

Save the picketing for any places that try and do Vax Discrimination against us when they open up again and let the vaxxed in as per normal. If they lock us out – then we need to picket etc etc/whatever it takes to get them to allow us our rightful place inside the cinema/theatre/concert/medical facilities/etc.

420516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to ElizaP, #293 of 2057 🔗

Good idea!

420486 ▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 1, #294 of 2057 🔗

That was the changing goalposts last year and they’re running the same play again this year.

They’re in a backroom chuckling, amazed at how stupid the public is.

419953 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #295 of 2057 🔗

When I looked at the Lockdown Personality test I nearly gave up when I got to the logic/maths questions, but it would be interesting to ask Uberfuhrer Johnson and his band of deranged megalomaniacs those three questions. Do They have any appreciation of maths, statistics and logic? Down to 1000 dodgy +ve test results per day, we’ll all be sweeping forever;

They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
“If this were only cleared away,”
They said, “it would be grand!”
“If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year.
Do you suppose,” the Walrus said,
“That they could get it clear?”
“I doubt it,” said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.

Interestingly the area I live in, Torridge N.Devon is just about at the equivalent of that rate and we have no Covid test centre, if they dish out all these postal test kits I suspect our rate will shoot up again!
The Government are a bunch of low grade middle managers, strong on micro-management but with no abilities of leadership, no vision and no confident inspiration.
We lack anyone who can step back and take a realistic view of the position and come up with a coherent, balanced visionary policy.

419966 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #296 of 2057 🔗

Perhaps that someone is already there, pulling the strings of these low grade people, and things are unfolding as planned.
It certainly seems to have stopped being about the ‘danger’ of the virus and is more about the ”vaccine”.

420145 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #297 of 2057 🔗

The main driver of lockdown as always been the maths and those failed scientists called epidemiologists. While their produce graphs which show infections going up in a straight line in reality the line is more of a curve. As any immunlogist will tell you ill people become well and immune so just as there’s pressure on the line to go up there’s pressure for it to go down. This was noticed in the 19th century and is called ” Fars law” and was noticed in China when covid began.

420641 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #298 of 2057 🔗

When I see questions like that my first thought is : what’s the trick here? I therefore restrain from the kneejerk quick and obvious answer and think more carefully. People should be looking for the trick too (or rather questioning facile assumptions) with Covid related conclusions. Most will not though because it came from the Government or Sage/NERVTAG so must be gospel. Gospel In, Garbage Out.

419957 PatrickF, 11, #299 of 2057 🔗

One test children don’t have: exams.

419965 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 22, #300 of 2057 🔗

There are some very gifted people out there who have a knack of summing up things cogently and concisely:

‘Early on, partly out of a lack of dependable information, politicians and public health experts panicked. They did not act rationally, waiting for more reliable data, they simply panicked and took the most draconian steps imaginable.

The public health experts relished their moment in the sun and could not resist the temptation to advocate extreme measures that failed to consider overall public health or welfare.

Leaders mimicked each other and used what others were doing as an excuse for their own actions.

When it became apparent that there had been an unnecessary over-reaction, both politicians and public health experts began twisting data and science to try to justify their behaviour. Instead of acknowledging an excessive response, they doubled down, and spread greater fear.

The traditional and social media were only too happy to aid in this process.

This all could have been avoided by elimination or serious limitation of emergency powers.

Forcing a truly democratic decision-making process on response measures would have resulted in a more rational response.

If we are going to avoid this happening again, we must strip all governments of any emergency power lasting more than two or three days.

And we must figure out a way to never again allow the kind of campaign of terror we have experienced in this epidemic to be imposed on Americans.’

https://healthy-skeptic.com/2021/02/15/mass-hysteria-delusion-and-panic/

Very well said. I really could not agree more.

419991 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tim Bidie, 15, #301 of 2057 🔗

The piece misses out too many of the murderous actions of western “governments”, for instance::

Removing HCQ from shelves in FEBRARY (France, Australia).

“Stay at Home” until you are sick enough to need ICU.

Decanting sick, frail, infected people from hospitals and into care homes where there was no medical help.

No positive actions on vitamins, zinc or building immunity.

Rejecting out of hand advice from tens of thousands of doctors.

420181 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #302 of 2057 🔗

Yes, I’m sorry but anyone who doesn’t realise this is a coup by Big Pharma in league and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in league with central bankers to bring about a reset is either dishonest or a complete fucking moron.

We have to start with Agenda 21/30.

420818 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #303 of 2057 🔗

It did strike me as curious too that several US states did the same as the UK and decanted their elderly into care homes without and sort of protection or care for incumbant residents. The US were acting on the advice of a Gates Foundation funded organisation.

Source of info: https://dossier.substack.com/p/how-the-gates-foundation-seeded-americas?r=6a3x3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter

What are the chances that the UK got the same advice from a similar source?

420576 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #304 of 2057 🔗

That article links to another article called “COVID-19 and the Political Economy of Mass Hysteria” ( https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/4/1376/htm ).

In this article, we aim to develop a political economy of mass hysteria. Using the background of COVID-19, we study past mass hysteria. Negative information which is spread through mass media repetitively can affect public health negatively in the form of nocebo effects and mass hysteria….However, mass hysteria can be exacerbated and self-reinforcing when the negative information comes from an authoritative source, when the media are politicized, and social networks make the negative information omnipresent. We conclude that the negative long-term effects of mass hysteria are exacerbated by the size of the state.

The full text is available at the link.

420580 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, #305 of 2057 🔗

Developing a political economy of mass hysteria is important because it is important to examine how the political system influences the likelihood and development of mass hysteria. This is because mass hysteria can lead to policy mistakes that have tragic public health consequences. While there are important limits on the potential growth of a mass hysteria in a limited minimal state, the welfare state of the 21st century combined with a sensationalist mass media is likely to increase the havoc created by mass hysteria. In this context, we comment on the illustrative case of the COVID-19 crisis.

419971 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 70, #306 of 2057 🔗

I have just been reading Philip Johnston’s article in this mornings Telegraph. A curious confection to be sure.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/16/vaccine-passports-will-difficult-resist-whether-like-not/
He begins by contemplating his little vaccination card and asking:
Are they our passports to a pint, our tickets back to the theatre, our get out of jail free cards? Should they be? This has now become the key debate as efforts are made to return to some semblance of normality after almost a year of on-off lockdowns, tiered restrictions and bizarre, pettifogging rules such as no sitting on a park bench outdoors.
Mr Johnston then takes us through the looking glass:
Many of us are instinctively opposed to a state-run regime whereby proof of health or identity can be demanded before lawful activity can be engaged upon. As Jonathan Sumption, writing on this page yesterday, said it is hardly in the traditions of our liberal democracy, so painstakingly constructed and so easily dismantled…I agree with that, but he and I must accept that millions don’t. They will never concede that Covid is anything other than an almost unprecedented killer that has to be suppressed, squashed or eliminated until it no longer poses a threat, almost uniquely among diseases that have such a relatively low infection fatality rate and which mostly spare the young.
If so many people continue to believe this, it becomes an increasingly forlorn exercise to argue the opposite. What matters now is to revive public confidence in the sort of social interactivity that they have been encouraged to fear. Whenever you have this discussion it brings you back, inevitably, to a vaccine passport.
But who exactly is responsible for these ‘millions’ who he says believe that ‘Covid is anything other than an almost unprecedented killer’ and are the source of Mr Johnston’s depressing fatalism? Well that would be the government, SAGE and a media who have sought to systematically terrorise the public from the start; who have sought, pretty successfully, to demonize dissent or opposing views, and dismiss any other strategies for handling the pandemic.
The strategy of the government has been not to treat the British public as adults and to engage with the public on that basis, as being capable of rational decision making when presented with the facts, but to treat the public as infants to be terrorized and the MSM has been more than happy to oblige with this aim.
Mr Johnston then muses that mass vaccination (even though he seems to accept that for the vast majority the threat posed by the virus is very small) and vaccine passports are no greater an infringement of liberty than stubbing out a cigarette before entering a pub.
What’s the problem, he seems to suggest:

Indeed, some people under 50 must be asking themselves why they should get the jab at all. They are not required to get a flu vaccine and that doesn’t prevent them going to the cinema or a café. Moreover, it is a perfectly reasonable for younger people to say no to inoculation against a virus that poses little threat to them individually without being denounced as a mad anti-vaxxer. But it’s not just about them. The Government’s concern is that if a mutation resistant to the vaccine takes hold among a large swathe of young people, that will then spread to the most vulnerable and we are back to square one.

The precautionary principle carried to the point of absurdity.
We then get treated to the straw man argument:
The biggest immediate problem is that if we have to wait until everyone is covered (and it would be grossly unfair to do otherwise since millions in the 20s and 30s won’t get the vaccine for months) then we will be in this quandary until the autumn. There are civil liberties objections, of course. We are being invited to trade off one set of freedoms for another.
But we are not allowed to walk into a public building smoking a cigarette because of the harm it does to others so arguably we have already conceded the principle.
There will then be a demand for an official, uniform document more secure than the flimsy card that I currently possess. By the end of the year, I have a horrible feeling we will all have them, just in time for the next vaccine shot.
Comply and there will be ‘bread and circuses’; failure to comply and be stigmatised.

So as Mr Johnston contemplates his longed for ‘official, uniform document’, sitting on a park bench basking in his officially sanctioned ‘freedom’, I say; fuck that.

419978 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alex B, 7, #307 of 2057 🔗

No idea who downticked you, Alex. I thought you ripped his article apart brilliantly.

419986 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ceriain, 1, #308 of 2057 🔗

Maybe it was the dirty language at the end 😀

419989 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Alex B, 6, #309 of 2057 🔗

Nah! You get extra ticks for that. 😜

420785 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 1, #310 of 2057 🔗

Nut Nuts – Bozo would love to read our remarks but it would be too distressing for his libertarian feelings….. besides he might need to go back to the Telegraph in the hopefully not too distant future

421427 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ceriain, 1, #311 of 2057 🔗

I was going to downtick merely because Alex is just above me in the ratings but, I looked in the mirror and thought “I couldn’t live with myself” and since no-one else wants to, I’d better kiss and make up. Just rubbed the lipstick off the glass!

419981 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Alex B, 16, #312 of 2057 🔗

Excellent analysis. I have been very disappointed in Philip Johnston who is clearly banging the drum for vaccine passports. Maybe I’m going to have to ditch the Telegraph. (Planet Normal is good though)

419987 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to FrankiiB, 19, #313 of 2057 🔗

Telegraph has been bought. It’s a rag now, having taken the 30 pieces of silver and sold its soul. I’ll wager it will never recover its reputation.

And they know it – note the number of articles where comments aren’t allowed.

420018 ▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to TJN, 13, #314 of 2057 🔗

The Gates foundation gave the Telegrph a ”donation’ of some 5 million quid just a couple of years ago. Pure philanthropy of course.

420103 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 14, #315 of 2057 🔗

I stopped reading the Telegraph at the end of March when it became consumed with Covid fear porn that bore no relationship to the reality I was observing as an out and about key worker.

420734 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 4, #316 of 2057 🔗

It’s got noticeably worse the last 2-3 months. As I say, I’m sure they’ve been got at, or paid.

421084 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ cubby, replying to TJN, 2, #317 of 2057 🔗

I can´t remember which of the social media billionaires it was and I really don´t have the time to check it out but I read an article a few weeks ago that one of them has decided to subsidise newspapers as they are otherwise all likely to go under. Since the British press is being kept alive by government advertising this would make sense, keeping the propaganda machine rolling. I somehow don´t think they would be subsudising a right – wing rag or allowing any independent or “subversive” articles.

421026 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to TJN, 3, #318 of 2057 🔗

Agree with you.
Regarding The Telegraph, it is possible to guess which articles won’t allow comments before you actually read the article; in most cases anyway!
I tend to agree with Peter Hitchens when he says that the standard of journalism generally isn’t what it once was.

421183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alex B, 2, #319 of 2057 🔗

Standards of journalism like many other things have sunk so low that there’s no point reading newspapers and magazines – half the time they’re simply press releases and advertorials masquerading as journalism.

419990 ▶▶ danny, replying to Alex B, 9, #320 of 2057 🔗

Great post. As to the article, thing I hate most is the way taking a vaccine is equated with not smoking in a public building.

419995 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to danny, 3, #321 of 2057 🔗

Yeah I know, it’s a ridiculous argument!

420105 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 2, #322 of 2057 🔗

First they came for the smokers and Tim Martin loved it.

420154 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Alex B, 15, #323 of 2057 🔗

Personally I am not an anti-vaxxer, however for this particular vaccine there is no need to give it to people under 60 years old and to people who have had the disease.
As the vaccine only uses a single type of the spike protein (I think this is correct), natural immunity may actually be better anyway.
I would not like my daughter to be vaccinated. She has had it and developed antibodies. No need for vaccination!

420177 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to MFvH, 8, #324 of 2057 🔗

Never, ever, EVER begin with ‘I am not an anti-vaxxer’. State your FUCKING CASE but do not begin with that as you will be hedged in.

And don’t you get it? Unless you protest, your daughter ( adult or child ) will HAVE TO TAKE THIS GENE THERAPY!

Such things as this: https://www.idonotcomply.org/events-1/worldwide-day-of-protest

420277 ▶▶▶▶ MFvH, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #325 of 2057 🔗

No need to be this crude.
I have vaccinated animals my whole life with good effects. We managed to reduce incidence levels of a lot of lethal infections (for instance parvo in dogs) through vaccination.

420415 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to MFvH, 3, #326 of 2057 🔗

Dogs are over vaccinated though, there is no need for annual vaccines with the exception of lepto. The vaccine companies advise every 3 years not annually and yet many vets will happily over vaccinate each year and see the problems caused.

Using vaccines sensibly and when fully tested is responsible, not vaccinating anything that moves with experimental ones and most importantly when they offer less protection than ones own immune system.

420186 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Alex B, 20, #327 of 2057 🔗

The most worrying part of that article is the defeatist tone.

He might have said:

Well, if most Germans wanted to get rid of Jews, then what’s the point of arguing with them, might as well give in and hope that this way they’ll stop hating Jews. I mean, if we’ve practically. exterminated the north American Indians and nobody has really complained, then surely we’ve accepted the principle that you can get rid of people that are in your way, haven’t we?

FOR FUCK SAKE, GROW BALLS YOU FUCKING TELEGRAPH PIECE OF SHIT WRITER!!!

420238 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Alex B, 44, #328 of 2057 🔗

Best comment below that article:
If I get vaccinated:
1.- Can I stop wearing the mask?
Government Response – No
2.- Can they reopen restaurants, pubs, bars etc and everyone work normally?
Government Response – No
3.- Will I be resistant to covid?
Government Response – Maybe, but we don’t know exactly, it probably won’t stop you getting it
4.- At least I won’t be contagious to others anymore?
Government Response – No, you can still pass it on, possibly, nobody knows.
5.- If we vaccinate all children, will school resume normally?
Government Response – No
6.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?
Government Response – No
7.- If I am vaccinated, can I stop disinfecting my hands?
Government Response – No
8.- If I vaccinate myself and my grandfather, can we hug each other?
Government Response – No
9.- Will cinemas, theaters and stadiums be reopened thanks to vaccines?
Government Response – No
10.- Will the vaccinated be able to gather?
Government Response – No
11.- What is the real benefit of vaccination?
Government Response – The virus won’t kill you.
12.- Are you sure it won’t kill me?
Government Response – No
13.- If statistically the virus won’t kill me anyway … Why would I get vaccinated?”
Government Response – To protect others.
14.- So if I get vaccinated, the others are 100% sure I’m not infecting them?
Government Response – No

421094 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #329 of 2057 🔗

Incredible isn’t it?

420409 ▶▶ ThomasPelham, replying to Alex B, 4, #330 of 2057 🔗

Wouldn’t a vaccine resistant strain be more likely in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated?

420593 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ThomasPelham, 1, #331 of 2057 🔗

Rather like pesticide-resistant insects or weeds are more likely to breed where a particular pesticide has been used. There certainly many cases of that in agriculture. Or the antibiotic-resistant bacteria breeding on farms where low dose antibiotics have been used to fatten animals.

421549 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Alex B, 3, #332 of 2057 🔗

I would happily return to a fully normal life, without restrictions, and without having the vaccine by taking personal responsibility for my own health which I have done throughout this plandemic – vitamin D, vitamin K2, quercetin, olive leaf extract, regular exercise, healthy diet. And whats more the former should still be able to protect me against any “variants” which might emerge. But big pharma wouldn’t make any money and big tech wouldn’t benefit if I didn’t have a vaxx passport – in a nutshell you have it – the government is in bed with big tech and big pharma – it is all about the money

419979 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 12, #333 of 2057 🔗

If you want an example of how “model” based policy works go look at Texas and other states currently basking in sub-zero temperatures because their renewable grid had no real backup and doesn’t work in that weather.

Yet all we hear, especially from Boris, is how great they are.

Reality is a harsh mistress.

My only thought is how do we bring reality to the politicians?

419984 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to mhcp, 24, #334 of 2057 🔗

Spot on.

421035 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Alex B, 1, #335 of 2057 🔗

And you haven’t even mentioned the chemicals in the de-icing fluid being sprayed all over the ground…..

419994 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to mhcp, 13, #336 of 2057 🔗

We live in an age of vacuous air headed celebrities with no actual qualities and in line with the times we voted just such a person to be our ‘dear leader’. The current bunch will not do it, they are blown around by every wind of change and every piece of dodgy ludicrous modelling, they have no vision and no leadership abilities, they will not improve, they must go.

420118 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 7, #337 of 2057 🔗

See Victor Davis Hanson ‘Two States of California’ in which he explains that such decisions are made in the narrow coastal strip of LA and San Francisco where temperatures are a steady 70 degrees so he never needs to use either heating or air conditioning in his University office.

Back home on the farm near interior Fresno Wallmart is populated by Latinos who cannot afford to cool their own homes.

The same sort of people who decided it was fine to put the working classes in tower blocks where many still languish after 5 decades of public policy.

419992 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 18, #338 of 2057 🔗

Society of idiots. Government said Vaxx macht frei. Now they are saying no cases macht frei. Cases from fake tests, don’t mean you die. They don’t mean a damn thing. Sheeple bleat for longer LDs.

ATL still very little on deaths from the Vaxx – a limp wristed puffer on Gilbraltar murdering people with the vaxx and repeating the gov’t nonsense that they died of old age. Get a brain.

If you are 85 and die it is Covid.

If you are 85 take the vaxx and die it is old age.

Still nothing ATL on the hundreds of dead in the UK, and the thousands injured by the Vaxx.

Why?

420002 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to FerdIII, 7, #339 of 2057 🔗

Sadly this website has been compromised

420019 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Harry Chara, 13, #340 of 2057 🔗

LDS is pro Vaxx is the main reason.

I would say fanatically pro Vaxx.

Will and Toby don’t understand slippery slopes. I had the same arguments when Queer marriage raised its ugly head. Now look at the ‘sex ed’ in schools, full on gender fascism and anti-science.

Once you accede to the vaxx and their ‘mandatory passports’, you are screwed. You lose all rights to your own body.

420023 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Harry Chara, -11, #341 of 2057 🔗

Yes, it’s as full of anti-vax nutters as Reddit is full of pro-mask nutters.

And that drives away reasonable people. You can’t reason with nutters.

420161 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #342 of 2057 🔗

If you don’t like it here, setup your own site.

421037 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #343 of 2057 🔗

Can one be generally pro-vax but anti covid vax?

Or does it have to be black or white?

420031 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FerdIII, 4, #345 of 2057 🔗

no,if you are 85 take the vaxx and die it is covid too. everyone dies of covid now.

420036 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #346 of 2057 🔗

… and think about all those dying of “Long Covid”?

421556 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to norwegian, #347 of 2057 🔗

and the long covid people condemned to a living death

420003 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #348 of 2057 🔗

Until they share efficacy data with us we won’t know, but…

“This week, Prof Chris Whitty, the UK’s chief medical adviser, said: “The earliest indications would imply there is some effect.”

“But I think it’s too early to put a number on that.”

Given the claims around 92% efficacy, I would suggest the vaccines aren’t really working or we would have seen a massive effect (perhaps covered up by the vaccines killing the frail)

420011 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, 9, #349 of 2057 🔗

It really does beg the question – why should we be impressed by anything less than 99.7 per cent efficacy for a ”vaccine”, to match the immune system’s own efficacy?

420083 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to steve_w, 3, #350 of 2057 🔗

Unfortunately they are not 92% effective against flu, old age or lockdown deaths.

420179 ▶▶ stewart, replying to steve_w, 4, #351 of 2057 🔗

“This week, Prof Chris Whitty, the UK’s chief medical adviser, said: “The earliest indications would imply there is some effect.”

“But I think it’s too early to put a number on that.”

He’s saying he hasn’t a clue. He just says it in a way that the dumb masses can look on with their jaws dropped thinking how clever and wise he is.

420005 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 44, #352 of 2057 🔗

The easiest solution to get out of this mess:

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

STOP GETTING TESTED

etc, ad nauseum

There I said it!!! Now time to ram this home in the minds of the zombies.

420028 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #353 of 2057 🔗

Won’t make any difference. They’ll just make up some numbers and publish those. However many they need, they’ll just feed them into the system.

420167 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #354 of 2057 🔗

The compulsion to get tested is truly one of the most mystifying aspects of this insane shit show.

You literally get nothing for it. If you test positive they put you under house arrest. They don’t give you any extra treatment or a bag full of medicines or anything. House arrest.

If you test negative you get the satisfaction of feeling that you don’t have the virus… until the second you get close to someone else and then you can’t be sure any more.

The human race for the most part really is hopeless.

Maybe Bill Gates is onto something with his depopulation ideas…

420243 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 6, #355 of 2057 🔗

Exactly. Why people rush to get tested in a bleeding mystery.

And what’s even more bizarre is people boasting about getting tested on Arsebook as if it were a badge of honour. The ones I know who did these are all retired and living in the middle of nowhere.

Perhaps they’re bored and getting tested is the only way they can get out and have some contact. If that’s the case then I truly feel sorry for them.

420012 Marg, replying to Marg, 28, #356 of 2057 🔗

I have sent an email to Morrison’s head office regarding the refusal of a shopper to wear a mask in store. His choice was to have a home delivery or to wear a sticker, not just any old sticker, a yellow one. I know you don’t have to have degree to be able to work there, but surely the insensitivity of this action is the start of even a more slippery slope. If you have time I would suggest an email might knock some sense into these little Hitlers. A deluge would be good.

420056 ▶▶ l835, replying to Marg, 1, #357 of 2057 🔗

Do we know if this is their national policy, or a local one by an over enthusiastic store manager?

420070 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Marg, 2, #358 of 2057 🔗

I sent an email last night and a couple of others also mentioned they had too. I’ll let you all know if I get a reply.

420185 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Marg, 2, #359 of 2057 🔗

I will send an e-mail also. Surely if this guy had made it past the door goon, why the hell was he harassed in such a way. This is grotesque.

420196 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 4, #360 of 2057 🔗

Hmmm… they don’t seem to have a category for ‘complaints’:

Does ‘nutmeg’ mean something else at Morrison’s ….

420226 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 4, #361 of 2057 🔗

Apologies, replying to myself but I have just called Morrison’s. The young woman there wanted to take my details before she would listen to my complaint – I refused. Turns out they don’t have a dedicated e-mail address for complaints. The Chief Executive’s name is David Potts.

I know Tesco’s gets a hammering (and justifiably so) but at least their complaints’ procedure is transparent.

420273 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to kh1485, 2, #362 of 2057 🔗

Click on compliments and fire away, they’re sure to read it then!

420668 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kh1485, 1, #363 of 2057 🔗

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420215 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Marg, 1, #364 of 2057 🔗

I can’t help but think that this was a setup. SPI-B psychological warfare in full swing?

420515 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Marg, 3, #365 of 2057 🔗

Our local Morrisons asked for exemption cards on day one of the supermarkets’ face-nappy ‘clamp-down’. We pointed out to the door goon that he wasn’t entitled to ask for it and he agreed. In the end I showed him a card because he was at least pleasant and he ignored AlanG’s refusal.

The next week, no cards asked for but we were given white stickers so that ‘staff would know we were exempt’. Rubbish! We made the yellow star crack. Mine dropped off before I got past the fruit and veg.

Since then, despite the door goons being different every time – nothing. No questions, no stickers. I agree with Guy Rich that this incident could be a set-up to keep Project Fear going. Either that or it’s down to each store’s manager. MW

421185 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #366 of 2057 🔗

There has been no door Gestapo at my local Morrisons for weeks now.

420016 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 28, #367 of 2057 🔗

Doris yesterday: Vaccination Passports likely to be mandatory.

This is what the Fat Pig Nut Nut said yesterday.

UK government is going to force you to vaxx to travel. Nut Nut also opined that any large events will need a Vaxx passport.

Nothing ATL on this since Toby and Will fully support the Vaxx fascism.

And how many vaxxes we ask? A jab per ‘variant’? Will my papers be updated after each jab? What happens if I start jabbing then stop?

And what of the hundreds dead in the UK, and thousands injured from the jabs already?

Eggs and Omelettes Will and Toby say. Vaxx Macht Frei they said. Apparently not since the Covid Fascists are again changing the objectives now to fake ‘cases’.

420034 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to FerdIII, -20, #368 of 2057 🔗

Stay at home then, lock yourself in a room and throw away the key. But most importantly disconnect yourself from the Internet so you don’t get infected.

And take a few pro-mask fanatics with you at the same time. Then you can froth at the mouth together.

The hysterical turn up and ruin a good comments section.

420039 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to FerdIII, 2, #369 of 2057 🔗

Everyone has a price even Toby lol

420065 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to FerdIII, 8, #370 of 2057 🔗

There will always be a black market.to get around such nonsense. If you don’t want a course of Billy’s poison jabs you won’t need to do so. I doubt even Derbyshire Police will be dragging anybody to the GP’s. All this media campaign is to get more people to have jabs who have no need to do so, even they were proven to be fit for purpose.

No muzzle, no tests, no jabs. Say no.

420159 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to nottingham69, 25, #371 of 2057 🔗

I have visions of Jews sitting around the dinner table in 1936 saying – look, let’s just wear the stupid arm band and they’ll leave us alone. It’s not as if they are going to throw us into concentration camps and exterminate us en masse, are they…

420175 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to FerdIII, 29, #372 of 2057 🔗

Vaccination passports will not be mandatory.

FULL STOP.

Stop entertaining this as an idea that will only make you slip into negativity and despair. Start emailing Human Rights Lawyers, Lawyers for Liberty and probably everyone else you haven’t emailed yet to tell them to get their bums of the benches finally and take a stand.

Distribute this paper to everyone who you know:
https://www.scribd.com/document/490274322/Request-for-Expedited-Federal-Investigation-Into-Scientific-Fraud-in-COVID-19-Public-Health-Policies

2021 is the year where the charade will fall apart if enough bums are moved. People are not scared anymore like they were last year, so there are cracks in the mass trance. Make use of them in an intelligent way.

It’s going to get messy, very messy this year, and people will be forced to question the narrative, especially as other countries open up and their economies recover. This will push Britain with the back against the wall, which is a good thing.

But do not entertain the idea of Covid passports. Do not put an ounce of your energy there.

Say NO to masks, NO to tests, NO to lockdowns, come demonstrate on 20 March, join the Great Reopening on Telegram, join Freedomair initiated by a group of Human Rights obeying travel consultants and start bolstering the alternative. Start living your life as someone who has claimed full sovereignty over their own well-being and life. You must lead by example, no matter how rough the ride is going to be. There is no other way.

Stop looking towards the psychopaths in power to guide your way out of the trap that they have laid out for you in the first place.

You cannot comply your way out of a Covid dictatorship. EVER. You must claim that you are a sovereign and free being, now, every day, every minute and under any circumstances.

This is a battle fought over your mind more than anything else. Do everything you can to keep that mind clear and focused and tuned into what you wish to see in the world, rather than what you are afraid of.

420352 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Pebbles, 2, #373 of 2057 🔗

They won’t need to mandatory.Businesses will do the governments dirty work for them.They will be so desperate to open up then will grasp at anything that enables them to do so.
Masking was the test.

420825 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #374 of 2057 🔗

Well they won’t get my business then….maybe if we all voted with our feet it would leave them forever on COVID-secure levels of business that according to them is unsustainable
?

420020 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #375 of 2057 🔗

Who’d have thought the left would champion censorship by profiteering Big Tech and cheer Big Pharma, enthusiastically endorsing the privatisation of profits as governments competed to sign multi-billion dollar contracts in advance at guaranteed prices; and the socialisation of risks as drug companies were granted immunity from liability for vaccines going wrong like thalidomide? “

Given they are funded by Big Tech, what did you expect? This is authoritarian Stalinism with better PR.

That’s where it is going unless there is a very sharp push back.

420152 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #376 of 2057 🔗

Why are people surprised the left like big corporations?

The USSR and Maoist China were full of giant corporations.

They just care who is in charge of them.

420451 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to stewart, #377 of 2057 🔗

isnt that all the nationalised industries were – coal , rail , power , post etc. big corporations owned by the government. and initiated by labour governments. As a centrist, i think denationalising some of the core utilities was a really bad move. for example British rail was finally getting its act together and just needed more investment. Electricity!!! we now have the demon on Drax etc.

421046 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to mj, -1, #378 of 2057 🔗

I agree with British Rail. It’s gone downhill since privatisation.
Most other industries have improved though I think. Certainly telecoms, airlines.
Maybe not the low tech utilities.

420025 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 29, #379 of 2057 🔗

Where are all the angry young men? This charade is wrecking whatever future many of them may have believed they had. They are locked up at home like animals. Why are they all so silent? Why have we not got to the stage of cars being set alight, running street battles with the police, nighttime flare ups in every major city…? Who silenced them all and how?

420035 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bigade, 2, #380 of 2057 🔗

They have to be shown the way by such actions as this:

https://www.idonotcomply.org/events-1/worldwide-day-of-protest

420064 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bigade, 11, #381 of 2057 🔗

Bigade, they were already lost in the online world of gaming long before they had such a need for the escapism that this nightmare requires. They aren’t going to be standing up anytime soon while they can still use their playstations.

Once upon a time we had Poll Tax riots. I remember them (I wasn’t there, but I saw them on the news). They changed things. The Poll Tax was done away with and VAT was raised to 17.5% to pay for it.

What will it take for these young men to stand up? I really don’t know. I wish they would.

420081 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to this is my username, 1, #383 of 2057 🔗

Quite! and the Poll Tax was fair – ie not overcharging people for the crime of being single.

420535 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to this is my username, 1, #384 of 2057 🔗

It is a myth that the Poll Tax riots defeated it. Actually it was mass refusal to pay. Some employers even supported their employees by not penalising them if they ended up in court and had to miss work etc.

If you riot you get the riot police. Mass civil disobedience is the answer.

What odds do you give for that among any age group now that most people are hypnotised into compliance? We live in a very different world now! MW

420150 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bigade, 7, #385 of 2057 🔗

They’ve been programmed only to get angry when they see gender discrimination, or racial injustice or climate degradation. And by “see” I mean when social media and their woke peers tell them it’s happening.

Otherwise they are online gaming.

420828 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Bigade, 1, #386 of 2057 🔗

Feminists and soy lattes

421172 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bigade, #387 of 2057 🔗

It`s too cold.

420029 norwegian, 23, #388 of 2057 🔗

> Lockdown “to Continue Until Cases Drop Below 1,000 a Day”

Mates across the ocean, when will you say no to this shit?

420037 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 12, #389 of 2057 🔗

How is this for parenting:

Children as young as six receive first Oxford jabs (msn.com)

I simply do not know what to say.

420040 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 14, #390 of 2057 🔗

Parents? Why would you put your beautiful child in a mask like that? Do you not just question something out of the ordinary?

WHY?

Are you… EVIL? Is that it?

420055 ▶▶▶ jennybean, replying to FedupofLies, 7, #391 of 2057 🔗

This is the thing that scares me the most. That we’ll have to choose between not sending my kids to school or giving them a ‘jab’ with no idea of long term effects

420068 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jennybean, 6, #392 of 2057 🔗

I am a parental sovereigntist but I cannot understand why parents would do this. Any kind of concern for their children should prompt them to QUESTION, QUESTION, QUESTION.

I am genuinely not convinced that parents or grandparents love their children and grandchildren.

I am a TERRIBLE person, so I am not judging. I think that people are basically motivated by even the most extreme self-interest and that it is only cowards who affect kindness. When the chips are down, we are all wicked and evil.

I wipe my hands of humanity. I am DONE.

420620 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #393 of 2057 🔗

hmm – I doubt those parents actually intend to kill their children. Those behind this evil scam most certainly do. I think these parents have been brainwashed and duped. they may never wake up: even as they watch their children’s deaths and then die themselves, they’ll probably be blaming it on us, the blasphemous anti-vaxxers, and the terrifying new oompaloompaland strain. As for evil, as Solzenitsyn famously said, it cuts across every human heart, yours and mine too, and the evil which we harbour represents a node in a network, which Satan can call upon and orchestrate any time he wants, the evil in our hearts will then vibrate to a tune that we only dimly understand

421658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JaneHarry, #394 of 2057 🔗

But I’ve never read Solzhenitsyn. I suppose it was purposeful that I was never prompted to do so by my schooling. Like the same reason I only learned about the horrors of collectivisation and so on because I happened to take an A level in history.

420597 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jennybean, 1, #395 of 2057 🔗

it’s a no brainer. don’t send them to school. you shouldn’t anyway.

420137 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #396 of 2057 🔗

Evil, stupid. At this point, what’s’ the difference?

420251 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #397 of 2057 🔗

I think they would also be the sort of parents who would sacrifice their first born if the government mandated that.

420469 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #398 of 2057 🔗

I don’t know whether to cry or throw up. What sort of parent allows this to happen to their child? And the poor child who has been brainwashed into thinking she is helping people! Her father should be ashamed of himself. It is child abuse.

420590 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #399 of 2057 🔗

I am sorry to say that by 2025 both those children and their parents [presumably they have had themselves done too] will be dead – it is just a question of who will watch who die

421650 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JaneHarry, #400 of 2057 🔗

I pray that nobody dies and I am wrong. I don’t know. But I think it may just be a fake test to create the impression of safety when they really roll them out for kids.

Unless it is stopped, that is.

420854 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #401 of 2057 🔗

I notice the picture(s) are of an adolescent (the same?) girl – who is probably actually a 24yr old actor – the “volunteers” will likely be from the social services 🤨

420047 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 3, #403 of 2057 🔗

McEvoy did not receive a caution. You have to sign a written agreement for that. However, I wish LS would pick up on this story. Basically Drakeford days that volunteers can’t deliver leaflets – but it’s OK to pay professionally for large delivery companies or the Royal mail to do it. This is such an obvious story for Lockdown sceptics.

420864 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Cecil B, #404 of 2057 🔗

Guess he must have delivered one to Drakefords house then seeing as how only 1 complaint was received

420041 alw, 8, #405 of 2057 🔗

Across the papers this morning not unexpected anger. Say no to testing, masks etc. Hopefully the masses are waking up. Hopefully insurrection on the way.

420042 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #406 of 2057 🔗

A somewhat depressing lead story but I think we all knew this was true anyway. This will only end when people are prepared to stand up, resist and at the cost of personal suffering.

I love the sceptical tone of today’s edition. I just wish that people – Dr John Lee included – would stop calling the vaccine a vaccine when it’s something else entirely.

420057 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #407 of 2057 🔗

I have personal experience trying to negotiate with people who have no intention of compromising.

It is hard for reasonable people to get their head around the idea that some people will never compromise.

Lockdown advocates have no intention of backing down or compromising.

420043 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #408 of 2057 🔗

The quiz doesn’t work for me. My chance of dying with Covid according to the Qcovid test is 0.0064%, but I can’t succeed in entering it. Anyone else had any luck?

420784 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #409 of 2057 🔗

That was a flaw sure. I just nipped it a bit over the 0 to 0.3. It did that OK. 0 implies total disbelief there is a disease called Covid or total hubris so didn’t want to put that…yet.

420044 Templeton, 4, #410 of 2057 🔗

Changes to death recording and a “gold standard” PCR test are STILL the reasons this is continuing.
Until these are unpicked, government is going to carry on fucking all of us over.

420048 Cecil B, 2, #411 of 2057 🔗

People will continue to get tested

Too much FOMO for it to stop

(Fear of missing out)

420050 stewart, replying to stewart, 14, #412 of 2057 🔗

The British and Israeli public are the biggest bunch of dopes.

They have been conned into thinking vaccines will end the crisis.

Wakey wakey….

420054 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 2, #413 of 2057 🔗

Isn’t that what LDS constantly trumpets? And when told it is a chimera….out comes the ‘anti vaxx’ pathetoric.

420052 FerdIII, 6, #414 of 2057 🔗

So according to Nut Nut and the Covidiot fascists, the LDs only end when CV 19 ‘cases’ formerly known as the Flu, approach that of cases of people choking to death. So never.

This site promoted Vaxx macht frei. So what happened to that theme? Other than LDS promoting vaxx passports. And after that what is next? Mandatory RNA jabs every month?

420053 mj, replying to mj, 6, #415 of 2057 🔗

NHS and piss ups in breweries
Yesterday i arrived at my parents house to look after my mother as my stepfather goes into hospital for a procedure (and probable three day stay) today.
Finally received the promised call from the ward sister yesterday evening. Had he had his swab? No – apparently someone was due to come to the house on sunday to do this. No one came. This was not mentioned in the letter. So sister had to start asking questions of management . As at this morning we are still waiting for an answer as to whether he will be admitted this morning or not as he is not certified as “covid free”.

Also they have BBC breakfast on! covid, vaccine, hagiography of captain tom… it is government propaganda and bread and circuses. nauseating.

420066 ▶▶ stewart, replying to mj, 7, #416 of 2057 🔗

I have come to see the media as little more than schoolyard gossipers. They are on the look out for any information that will spread like wildfire and love to repeat catchy stereotypes and narratives.

420114 ▶▶ mj, replying to mj, 5, #417 of 2057 🔗

also on breakfast .. “heart rending ” story of mountain rescue guy who died whilst on a rescue of two people camping in lakes “in contravention of lockdown rules” emphasised by BBC . So a covid death then?

420579 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mj, #418 of 2057 🔗

god, are they STILL going on about that old fart?

420058 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #419 of 2057 🔗

Nicked from Gab

420061 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #420 of 2057 🔗

Now that the vaccine minister has open the door for private establishments to discriminate, shops should go further and ban anyone who wears a mask or has had a vaccine.

Not just “not required”. NOT WELCOME!

420922 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to stewart, #421 of 2057 🔗

Yes, if there is to be discrimination, let it work both ways.

420059 alw, replying to alw, 8, #422 of 2057 🔗

Just completed the Covid Personalty test. I have been classed as a rebel….lol.

Your results suggest you’re a rebel. This means you generally do not follow the rules, and often this is a deliberate choice. You disagree with what is happening and you like to think and act for yourself, rather than just following the crowd.

You’re less likely to have been negatively affected by coronavirus – except, perhaps, for things like work and relationships. You probably miss socialising, getting outside, and living normally. Compared to others, you perceive the risk of catching it as lower, and the severity of the illness as milder. You don’t really trust official sources like the government, and you blame them for continued lockdown – along with the members of the public who are encouraging them via compliance. You may be feeling angry and suspicious, and that lockdown is demeaning and limiting.

You’re much less likely to follow the rules, which you think should be relaxed, and you oppose most of the interventions on principle. Your reasons for noncompliance tend to be along the lines of not liking being told what to do or just following orders; you want to take control back. You’re open to questioning the government, and more likely to listen to evidence outside of the mainstream. You may even be fighting the power through things like protests.

Compared to other people, you are probably more competitive and cynical, and make decisions by trusting your gut. You may also be more sociable, outgoing and reward-seeking – making the monotony of lockdown particularly difficult for you. You’re more likely to value independence, variety, success and power, and to identify with outlaw archetypes like Jesse James. You deal with negative emotions by working out your frustrations physically, or by using humour. You’ve got to laugh!

To survive lockdown, you should:

  • Pace yourself. Remember that anger can be just as destructive as fear or guilt. It’s tempting to constantly fight lockdown, but this can be exhausting which can paradoxically make you more vulnerable. Don’t tire yourself out.
  • Watch your back. People are very stressed at the minute, and looking for a scapegoat to vent their frustrations. A focus on purity has made people puritans, meaning it’s a bad time to be a heretic. Be careful not to paint a target on your back.
  • Be empathetic. Although you may be feeling frustrated with the general public, try to see things from their point of view. They are behaving in a way that seems odd simply because they are terrified. Try to be kind rather than confrontational.”
420062 ▶▶ stewart, replying to alw, 5, #423 of 2057 🔗

Same. I’ll be shocked if there is anyone on here who doesn’t come out as a “Rebel”

420087 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to alw, 8, #424 of 2057 🔗

I’m afraid I can’t manage the “being kind” to them – as I’m just so angry with them, because it’s their compliance that is costing me a Life worth Living.

420067 norwegian, replying to norwegian, #425 of 2057 🔗

“lockdown personality quiz”

Stuff that!

420073 ▶▶ stewart, replying to norwegian, 4, #426 of 2057 🔗

There were a couple of very interesting take aways from. the survey.

One in particular was a line from 0 to 100% in which you are asked to mark where on the line certain probabilities lie.

  • Your chances of catching covid
  • Your changes of dying from covid

It was a very graphic way of putting things into context. The fact that you barely have to move the dial away from zero for the “chance of dying” one is just so effective.

I think it’s a very good method for people who aren’t sceptical to get a sense of proportion.

420069 Banjones, 5, #427 of 2057 🔗

That headline may as well be ”the floggings will continue until morale improves”.

420071 Julian, replying to Julian, 13, #428 of 2057 🔗

I’ve never much liked Novak Djokovic – he always seemed too full of himself – but at least he has some balls and is speaking out about the circus that is professional sport:

“Novak Djokovic says ‘majority’ of players won’t continue season if there is more quarantine

Novak Djokovic claims a “majority” of players do not want to continue with the tennis season if it means strict quarantines before tournaments.

Players had to complete 14 days of quarantine on arrival in order for the Australian Open to go ahead.

Djokovic, the men’s world number one, believes it has been responsible for a number of injuries in Melbourne.

“This definitely is not good for players in terms of their wellbeing,” said the 33-year-old Serb.

Six players have retired injured from matches at the opening Grand Slam of the year, with Italian ninth seed Matteo Berrettini pulling out of his fourth-round match on Monday without taking to the court.

Djokovic has been among several players struggling with an abdominal injury, a problem which led to British women’s number one Johanna Konta retiring from her first-round match.

Spain’s Rafael Nadal saw his preparations disrupted by a back injury, while Britain’s Heather Watson and Bulgaria’s Grigor Dimitrov suffered leg and back spasms.

Watson was among the 72 players who could not leave their rooms for 14 days after being put into a ‘hard quarantine’ in Melbourne.

Dimitrov said he was unable to pull on his socks before his quarter-final on Tuesday, leaving the court in tears and uncomfortably shuffling back to the locker room after losing to Russian qualifier Aslan Karatsev.

“The physical wellbeing of players is a big question mark, and I think it needs addressing,” said Djokovic, who beat Germany’s Alexander Zverev in the last eight on Tuesday.

“Obviously it has something to do with these kind of circumstances that we were in, coming into a Grand Slam and a tournament before the Grand Slam right after 14 days or 15 days of quarantine.

“What we are seeing is not normal. It’s not something we are used to. Top players are the ones that are fittest. It has been proven in the past that that’s the case.”

British number one Johanna Konta is among a number of players who have suffered abdominal injuries at the Australian Open
With the ATP and WTA Tours set to hold events around the globe after the Australian Open, Djokovic has called for urgent discussions about how the season can continue without the need for players to face further periods of quarantine.

Many nations still have travel restrictions in place, particularly in Europe, North America and the Middle East where ATP and WTA tournaments will take place in the coming weeks.

Djokovic also floated the idea of more bubbles being implemented – like the one which has seen several tournaments held in Melbourne before the Australian Open and used in other sports including basketball’s NBA.

“Talking to a lot of players, the majority of the players just don’t want to go ahead with the season if we are going to have to quarantine most of the tournaments,” said the 17-time Grand Slam champion, who launched a new union for male players last year.

“I’m waiting for some answers. I want to understand how our continuation of the season post-Australia is going to look like, because this definitely is not good for players in terms of their wellbeing.”

World number seven Zverev agreed with Djokovic’s suggestion, saying it did not make sense to have a “travelling circuit” in the current circumstances.

“At the end of the day in Europe right now we can’t have spectators, so what difference does it really make where we play the tournament?” he added.”

420080 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Julian, 10, #429 of 2057 🔗

He’s also spoken out against vaccines in the past too.

420089 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 9, #430 of 2057 🔗

Hmm… being locked up in a room for 14 days isn’t good for your health? Really? Who would have thought?

Poor Djokovic is going to get hammered for this. The lobotomised leaders of the mob will start going on about their privilege etc.. and the point will be completely lost.

The reality, of course, is that no one gives a toss about the tennis players and their refusal to play tournaments. What is going down is so colossal, worrying about whether Wimbledon gets played is ridiculous.

I only care about these guys in so far as they are able to change public opinion. Which they can’t. They are going to be crucified.

420093 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Julian, 11, #431 of 2057 🔗

Only reason these events are allowed to go ahead is as a distraction for the masses. Same with pro football, the rugby and cricket. If there really is a need for lockdowns why are pro sports and their entourages still allowed to travel the world? Thought we were all in this together…

It’s all theatre. You have the real world where our freedoms are being striped away and the world through the screen, were strictly come dancing continues, eastenders is still filmed and pro sport continues. All to distract and keep people sedated.

420109 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Wolver, 9, #432 of 2057 🔗

I wish all the pro sports people would down tools as it were and say that the world is facing a giant crisis and that pro sports and entertainment should only resume once the crisis is over and life is back to normal.

That would put some pressure on getting back to normal.

420225 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to stewart, 1, #433 of 2057 🔗

Would be nice, but why would they? Life won’t have been as hard for them as for the rest of us. They’re still getting there hair cut, going to training, seeing their mates, travelling. As we’ve seen from media elites they are prob still going to private parties and restaurants and not to forget still of full pay! Oh and they have all the attention as all over forms of entertainment have shut down. What’s to rebel against?

421061 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Wolver, 2, #434 of 2057 🔗

Lots. Just because you are financially comfortable it doesn’t mean you don’t despise the measures you are subjected to.

The desire to be free is not dampened by wealth.

420146 ▶▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Wolver, 2, #435 of 2057 🔗

It is absolutely The Hunger Games.

420169 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Wolver, 7, #436 of 2057 🔗

I agree. But who wants to watch any sporting fixture devoid of the live audience. I used to look forward to the watching the Six Nations but I haven’t bothered this year. Without the noise and encouragement of the crowd, I presume it’s also a pretty soulless experience for the players.

420239 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to kh1485, 5, #437 of 2057 🔗

Agree it is nothing without the fans! But does show up some of the hypocrisy, social distancing for the anthems, waring masks, then jumping on top of each other 5mins later. All theatre..

420174 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Wolver, 4, #438 of 2057 🔗

The empty stadiums, are just another tool of mental pressure. The original pandemic advice was sporting events outdoors could carry on, they were not a likely virus spreader. No evidence since to change that.

420162 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 6, #439 of 2057 🔗

Well done to Djokovic for speaking out. I can imagine that all these have not been good for their physical and mental well being.

I agree with Stewart who said that perhaps the players should go one step further and refuse to take part. Ditto the Olympics – if the top sports people boycott it then hopefully it will make TPTB sit up and take notice.

420166 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Julian, 5, #440 of 2057 🔗

I have always rooted for him myself, over the super smug Federer, TUE abusing Nadal or the miserable Scot. Always something anti establishment about Novak and he has always done his bit for the less talented on the tour. 14 days stuck inside for a super tuned athlete is nuts, not that it isn’t for anyone. Good on the lad for not taking the easy option of ignoring the issue.

420075 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 35, #441 of 2057 🔗

Don’t wear a mask
Don’t social distance
Don’t get tested
Don’t take the vaccine

These are the rules I have lived by from the start of this scam.

420097 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Silver cat, 1, #442 of 2057 🔗

Same here!

420116 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Silver cat, 2, #443 of 2057 🔗

Same here & I’ll continue in that vein. We will succeed!

420173 ▶▶ alw, replying to Silver cat, #444 of 2057 🔗

Many of us have

420340 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Silver cat, 4, #445 of 2057 🔗

Pretty much the same but I do socially distance as I choose. I especially social-distance from unhealthy looking people wearing filthy face rags.

420078 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #446 of 2057 🔗

Bolt has FALLEN. Or was he always false opposition. It was a bait and switch, and it was always about the vaccine:

Polls on vaccine fears are ‘alarming’ if correct: Bolt – YouTube

What a disappointment.

420095 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #447 of 2057 🔗

Good to see all the negative comments!

420102 ▶▶ stewart, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #448 of 2057 🔗

The public can think for itself, alarm, alarm!!

420084 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #449 of 2057 🔗

We need to talk about Gibraltar

According to the Government, these six people appear to have caught COVID-19 before they were vaccinated.

“Despite testing for COVID-19 before vaccination, the infection had not been detected in them at the time they were vaccinated, but in the days immediately after.”

What does ‘appear’ mean?

Despite testing for COVID-19 before vaccination, the infection had not been detected in them

So they were not infected, can’t have it both ways. (The test result before vaccination is false because it does not fit our agenda. The test after vaccination is accurate because it does fit our agenda)

T his still does not explain the 80 ‘covid deaths’

If the whole or part of a population is vaccinated with a vaccine that is effective the the only possible result is a drop in infections. I repeat surely a drop in infections/deaths can be the only possible outcome

Gibraltar is one to watch

420088 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cecil B, 2, #450 of 2057 🔗

Hundreds dead in the UK from the vaxx.

You don’t need to look at Gibraltar.

420090 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to FerdIII, #451 of 2057 🔗

Link?

420107 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Banjones, #453 of 2057 🔗

Ta

420100 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cecil B, 2, #454 of 2057 🔗

The first minister of Gibraltar pointed to Reuters for make his case.

Not some official Gilbraltarian bureau of statistics or health authority.
Reuters!

These fuckers get their info from the news.

THAT is what stunned me most about the item.

(And that he reads LDS)

420086 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 8, #455 of 2057 🔗

More dead from the vaxx in Spain. The Vaxxidiots and LDS vaxx fanatics will blame old age of course and ‘follow the science (fiction, bullshit)’ etc.

“Forty-six nursing home residents who had received their first dose of Pfizer-BioNTech’s fast-tracked vaccination against COVID-19 at the beginning of January had died by the end of the month, Spanish media have reported .

Staff first reported a coronavirus outbreak at Nuestra Señora del Rosario (Our Lady of the Rosary), a nursing home in the province of Cadiz, Andalusia in Spain on January 12, in the wake of a vaccine distribution campaign”

Jab up people. Just jab jab jab. Every day. New variants, they are a-coming….along with your vaxx-passport(s) / variant?

420132 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to FerdIII, 2, #456 of 2057 🔗

Google translate:

COVID-19 IN CADIZ
An outbreak in a Los Barrios residence causes 46 deaths from coronavirus
The Junta de Andalucía has intervened the center and has interrupted the inoculation of the second dose of the vaccine
Soraya Fernandez
LOS BARRIOS Updated: 02/04/2021 09: 41h
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The Covid-19 does not give truce. The start of the vaccination campaign in nursing homes is not preventing a trail of deaths. In Los Barrios (Cádiz) they know it well. Unfortunately, the Nuestra Señora del Rosario residence yesterday added 46 deaths from Covid-19 among its users due to an outbreak registered in January, according to data provided by the Andalusian Health Service (SAS). At the beginning of the year, residents and workers were vaccinated with the first dose of Pfizer, although the inoculation of the second has had to be interrupted given the incidence of the pandemic.

The situation is so serious that the medicalization of the Junta de Andalucía of this private nursing home a few weeks ago has not been enough and the Ministry of Health has had to intervene in this center.

An inspection of the health services determined that it was a necessary measure “in view of the imminent risk to public health, and in particular for the users and workers of this center, as the current protocol for disinfection and isolation of positive cases cannot be guaranteed” .

This Wednesday, the situation remained extremely complicated in this residence. As explained by the provincial secretary of the FSP of the UGT, José Porras Naranjo, there were 28 residents and 12 workers, including the director, with Covid-19. Currently, this nursing home has 94 users, although its capacity is 145.

FSP de UGT ensures that the residence is not “fully” medicalized and that the disinfection is being carried out by the firefighters. This union representative reiterates his criticism of the management in this center, since he insisted that the outbreak was detected on January 12, that on January 18 the UGT warned that eight older people had died and that on the 28th 30 had already died. ” We are already at 46 deaths. Where is this medicalization and intervention? Where is the stabilization of the situation to which the territorial delegate referred a few days ago? In this residence they have acted late and badly.

Los Barrios is not an isolated case. In a nursing home in Sancti Petri, in Chiclana, 22 elderly people have already died from an outbreak that has also infected 79 residents and 24 workers in recent weeks.

Reopens non-essential activity to the Neighborhoods
Precisely this Wednesday, the Board has lifted the closure of non-essential activity in Los Barrios after two weeks when the incidence rate stood at 799 cases per 100,000 inhabitants.

Very close, in Gibraltar, which this Wednesday only registered 13 new cases, the vaccination campaign continues to advance despite having already registered 79 deaths from Covid-19. Yesterday 13,071 people had been vaccinated with the first dose and 2,320 with the second, some of them Spanish who work in the social and health sector.

The Government of El Peñón, which reopened its non-essential activity on Monday except for the hotel industry and schools after a month of harsh restrictions, has also included young people between 16 and 18 years old in the priority groups for vaccination.

420101 norwegian, 11, #457 of 2057 🔗

These times are full of crap but there are exceptions: We got new neighbours last autumn and I have never seen them use a face mask. My kind of neighbour!

420104 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #458 of 2057 🔗

The police are demanding they get vaccinated immediately

Bring it on I say

Whilst they are at it they could do the Covid Marshalls and the Environmental Health Officers

Seems only fair

420433 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, #459 of 2057 🔗

Is there somewhere one can sign up to help?

420855 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, #460 of 2057 🔗

Hope they go for Astra Zeneca.
In Germany many hospitals had to halt vaccinating while at least 30% of vaccinated staff are at home for minimum 3 days recovering.

420106 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 6, #461 of 2057 🔗

Refuse testing. Then there’ll be no positives.

420130 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 3, #462 of 2057 🔗

Oh yes there will. What makes you think zero testing will result in zero positive test results?

Explain your logic please

420113 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 21, #463 of 2057 🔗

Scotland is fooked if the Harridan fae the north tries to outdo the potatoe in a wig. If he is going all out for 1000 + a day out of 54 million, thon wee witch is going to aim for zero.
Yesterday + numbers in Scotland were under 600 in 6 million and we’re still in winter.
Because numbers are so low she’s setting up more test centres. South Ayrshire has had numbers below 20 a day for weeks now, so the almighty dwarf has decreed that they need more testing centres.

The witch also gave fair warning yesterday that unless we obey her, school children will not all be going back anytime soon.

I know there is a list, could someone put her at the top please. I would like to be at her trial for being the worst of the UK leaders and locked up for life for the abuse and terror she is inflicting on the Scottish people.

420124 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Just about sane, 4, #464 of 2057 🔗

For a very reasonable fee of £1,000 I will lease the Scottish list to you and you can put people on it to your hearts content

If you agree I will send you details of my Bank of Nigeria account

420129 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Just about sane, 3, #465 of 2057 🔗

They’re all going for zero.

FFS, isn’t that crushingly obvious by now?

420143 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Just about sane, 6, #466 of 2057 🔗

Thumbs up for the potato in a wig 👍

420151 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #467 of 2057 🔗

I wish I could take credit for it but credit goes to Katie Hopkins.

420115 MFvH, 14, #468 of 2057 🔗

I have been writing to my MP and he assured me back in December that lockdowns would be lifted once the vulnerable were vaccinated…I keep reminding him!

420117 BertieFox, replying to BertieFox, 3, #469 of 2057 🔗

What a waste of time that stupid “survey” was. What are we now? A teen magazine?

420125 ▶▶ stewart, replying to BertieFox, 5, #470 of 2057 🔗

I think the nature of surveys is that they are useful for the person conducting the survey, more than for the surveyed.

420131 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to stewart, 1, #471 of 2057 🔗

Yes of course you’re right. I was annoyed at myself for doing it.

420135 ▶▶▶ MFvH, replying to stewart, 2, #472 of 2057 🔗

Would be interesting to see the population studied. Asking LS people to participate..

420176 ▶▶ davews, replying to BertieFox, #473 of 2057 🔗

Well completed it but not sure what it achieved. Some of the later personality questions were very hard to answer honestly but at least it worked out I was rebel.

420127 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 2, #474 of 2057 🔗

I went to the dentist yesterday for a checkup. Just doing my bit to support business.
We got chatting and shared our frustrations about the handling of this epidemic.
Few interesting points:

He said that of his friends all agreed with him. Of his clients about 50%.

He also told me he had been vaccinated. He was greeted by a facial surgeon and the injection was given by an orthopaedic surgeon. The dental assistant was vaccinated by a paediatrician….. where are the volunteer vaccinators who are supposed to free up NHS people to look after sick people?
I have been trained by SJA (finished training 3rd of January) but they are not using us as vaccinators in our county.

420158 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to MFvH, #475 of 2057 🔗

Frustrations about the handling… ?

What are you, 77th? This is tepid shite!

Yes, if only the the Holocaust could have been better handled. Do you even read the threads here?

420128 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 26, #476 of 2057 🔗

I was on the fence about Bill Gates before, but now he wants us all to eat synthetic beef, I have formed a definitive position: he’s a total fucking psycho and he needs to be stopped.

I would change my profile name to Aberdeen Angus, but one change is enough, I think.

Mr Gates, with the greatest respect: WAG YOU.

420148 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 10, #477 of 2057 🔗

He’s a huge investor in Ag Tech, of course he’s going to promote his own products.
Somebody pointed out yesterday, that if if he still can’t get a computer to communicate with a printer after 40 years, perhaps he should shut up.

420187 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #478 of 2057 🔗

Love it

420313 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PoshPanic, #479 of 2057 🔗

He is the largest private landholder in the US and he just purchased a private jet company.

421023 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to PoshPanic, #480 of 2057 🔗

He has 100 billion + of his own dosh, plus another 50 billion in his “foundation”.

He’s a huge investor in everything.

420153 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #481 of 2057 🔗

My sentiments too

420214 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #482 of 2057 🔗

Philanthrocapitalism?

421020 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #483 of 2057 🔗

I heard his Long Island Discs interview a few years back.

I remember thinking what an uninteresting, crappy selection of music he came up with. That should have been a red flag – soulless.

420133 FerdIII, 11, #484 of 2057 🔗

Masktards love their diapers as religious symbols. Swedish municipality bans masks. No scientific evidence to support the diapers.

https://principia-scientific.com/sweden-bans-masks-no-scientific-evidence-they-prevent-covid/

No shit Sherlock.

Oh no! Now I am an ‘anti-diaper’ as well as anti-poison….do I get 2 yellow stars?

420142 BeBopRockSteady, 7, #485 of 2057 🔗

That article from the student is one of the best I’ve read in a while here of LS. Superb stuff. Take a bow and distribute that as wide as you can among your groups at University and beyond.

His (or her) analogy about the village of 500 is a good one. He maybe should have added that in scenario 2, where we open up at a cost of 4 life years lost for a few people who pass early, that we bolster our resilience through prescription of Vitamin D, plenty of of exercise, use of Ivermectin and protection of the vulnerable (if they want it). That would mean the cost is vanishingly small given what we now know.

420144 Pebbles, 11, #486 of 2057 🔗

I know this document has made the rounds before but it is well worth downloading and passing on to sceptical friends and colleagues as well as family members:

https://www.scribd.com/document/490274322/Request-for-Expedited-Federal-Investigation-Into-Scientific-Fraud-in-COVID-19-Public-Health-Policies

It documents the mass scale of scientific fraud behind Covid-19 beautifully. The only problem is that it is written with a “us against them” tone, which is only partially true, as the syndicate behind things like Covid-19 controls China and the West alike. But it is eye-opening and jaw-dropping if you trace the people behind the Covid strategy and their Chinese connections… but as I said it goes well beyond China and beyond Gates.

Treat yourselves to a copy of “Confessions of An Economic Hitman” by John Perkins over Easter and you will understand better how syndicates operate. It doesn’t matter which flag is attached to it..

In fact the sooner one understands that Mr Global operates many factions at the same time, into different and seemingly opposing directions, the quicker one understands the depth of the trance of the masses, the dog and pony show put on to keep them there to keep them transfixed on this bipolar state of being that will never lead anywhere but to greater enslavement.

Oh and.. ya Ferguson is a Chinese / pharmaceutical hitman.

420147 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #487 of 2057 🔗

What the TV licence fee funds:

https://twitter.com/banthebbc/status/1361741752311418881

A condescending bigot dressing up in plague costume to interview dissenters from establishment orthodoxy, in order to reinforce the official truth that there is some kind of deadly disease that is rife and these people are threats to the public well-being.

If you pay the licence fee, you are paying for your own indoctrination, and the indoctrination of your nation. This has been true for many decades, it’s just that for many coronapanic sceptics, they haven’t particularly objected to the indoctrination in the past because it’s been mostly for respectable, politically correct attitudes that they assume are inherently Right and Good, or at worst Harmless.

Defund the BBC.

420168 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #488 of 2057 🔗

At the bottom of the tennis report I read this morning on BBC sport, this random link:

420195 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 5, #489 of 2057 🔗

Of course. The BBC long ago concluded that climate alarmism is Right-think, and should be actively promoted at any and every opportunity. Questioners were automatically guilty of Wrong-think. Deniers.

Lockdown sceptics who have been happy to accept this behaviour in the past because they share the BBC’s position and don’t mind it being actively propagandised, are now learning that when you allow the creation of a hugely powerful propaganda tool in the hands of the government, it’s likely it will be used against your own preferred positions eventually. Same for the antiracists and adherents of all the other pc identity lobby bigotries that people have been happy to have the BBC foisting on the nation for decades.

420290 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 1, #490 of 2057 🔗

The BBC has been a propaganda organisation since 1922.

420372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #491 of 2057 🔗

Indeed, but it’s size and impact has grown immensely, and the kinds of things it pushes have changed as well.

420586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #492 of 2057 🔗

Can’t believe I wrote “it’s” there and didn’t notice until too late to edit!

420730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, #493 of 2057 🔗

I think your loosing you’re marbles, Mark.

420770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #494 of 2057 🔗

Playing fast and loose with my proof-reading, for sure.

420662 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #495 of 2057 🔗

If anything the BBC’s influence has decreased over the decades. It long enjoyed a monopoly as the broadcaster, with virtually the whole nation consuming its output on a daily basis.

420334 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 1, #496 of 2057 🔗

Better yet, how to pollute the earth – make people wear face nappies

421415 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Julian, #497 of 2057 🔗

While he buys a private airline. That should tell you everything

420212 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Mark, 1, #498 of 2057 🔗

Thanks to the kind folks who found me the CEO email for Morrisons last night. I cannot access the CEO email site because I’m outside the UK. Would one of you please find BBC Director General Tim Davie’s email address? I need to send him an email to ask the BBC to check their privilege re:funding.

420367 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to this is my username, #499 of 2057 🔗
420439 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Mark, #500 of 2057 🔗

Thank you! 🙂

420155 Banjones, 7, #501 of 2057 🔗

I’ll post this again, because it was interesting.

Belgian Virologist Proposes Plan to Eradicate COVID-19 in 6 Weeks Using Ivermectin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLL5FEpRtEA

420156 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #502 of 2057 🔗

Just heard on the Classic FM News some important bod has said Corona cases are far too high to consider lifting restrictions.

Back in November they were reported being circa 22,000 and rising when a lockdown was introduced.

In early January they were 55,000 and rising when a lockdown was introduced.

Now the figure is around 10,000 and falling.

420188 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #503 of 2057 🔗

And these dimwits don’t even know the difference between ”cases” and ”positive results” (let alone the fact that most are false anyway). Well, as they say, you can’t educate pork.

420465 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Banjones, 1, #504 of 2057 🔗

“Well, as they say, you can’t educate pork.”

But if you cook it, it tastes really good.

420157 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 35, #505 of 2057 🔗

LDS still pushing the vaxx-diaper agenda. Let’s ignore the vaxx injuries shall we? Or that Diapers add to the misery not the solution. Vaxx or er cases or er R rates or er whatever, macht frei.

“Dr. Sara Beltrán Ponce, a Milwaukee resident physician in Radiation Oncology, tweeted on January 28 that she was “14 weeks pregnant and fully vaccinated!” She shared that she had received the experimental COVID vaccine “to protect myself, my baby, my family, my patients, and my community! When it’s available to you, I encourage you to do the same.”

Ponce did not specify which of the experimental COVID vaccines she received, but went on to reemphasize several of the media-narrative talking-points with regards to COVID-19 government mandates, including the necessity for masks , social distancing and vaccination.

Less than a week later, she announced the heartbreaking news of the loss of her baby “at 14 ½ weeks . My husband and I are devastated, but blessed to have each other and our sweet Eva. Rest in Peace, angel,” she wrote.

So this moron, takes the Vaxx, miscarries but stll advocates diaper-distancing and vaxx jabs.

You can’t fix that level of stupid.

420178 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 3, #506 of 2057 🔗

Unfortunately she’s far gone and as a consequences she’s miscarried.

That said she still won’t learn the moral of the story.

420184 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to FerdIII, 5, #507 of 2057 🔗

And she’s encouraging other young women to do the same. Barking mad AND irresponsible.

420248 ▶▶ dhid, replying to FerdIII, 2, #508 of 2057 🔗

So she aborted her baby then.

420899 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to dhid, 1, #509 of 2057 🔗

Truly a progressive then

420296 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 1, #510 of 2057 🔗

Link to the article?

VAERS database has a number of miscarriages listed

420163 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #511 of 2057 🔗

This was posted last night, but I think the interview is interesting enough that it’s worth reporting for the morning crowd. Apologies to those who’ve seen it already.

“Street language”, but an admirable response to the totalitarianism of lockdown. How many more people responding like de Asha would it have taken to shut down lockdown at the outset?

Nathan De Asha Interview on Arrest | 1st Tell-All interview after the Viral Video

UK police doing a bang up job of making themselves hated and despised.

Interesting point to note – it’s only through good fortune that the cctv footage was available, because the police would have removed it if they’d been competent.

As of now they’ve bailed me on 45 counts of kidnapping, two counts of assaulting police, one count of dangerous driving, so I’m in court for that March 5th or 10th

Apparently, he says, the “dangerous driving” charge relates to leaving the engine running on his car (!) The police in this country are like the politicians – literally no shame when it comes to trying to evade responsibility for their own misbehaviour.

Prophecy Performance Gym Protest Against Police Brutality and Tyranny Liverpool 11th February

Some interesting exchanges. The race stuff here is interesting. The BLM stuff was utterly contemptible virtue signalling based on lies. This is very different.

months ago when a criminal was killed, your colleagues were taking the knee for a career criminal – this was an upstanding man that’s trying to open his business and put food in front of his family

420287 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 2, #512 of 2057 🔗

I watched it. Excellent and inspiring

420344 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Mark, 3, #513 of 2057 🔗

The police were itching to stir it up, that was very obvious.

They were trying to pick on who they thought would be the easier targets, and then bully and intimidate them.

As the guy in the video who was trying to reason with and educate the “police” said, there are others, in the not too distant past, who said they were just following orders – we know how that ended.

All those who don’t oppose, or who actively support the tyranny we are being subject to, need to decide which side they are on.

Many who aren’t doing well financially, mentally or physically now, will not forget or forgive what is being done to them, who is doing it, and those who support it

I now worry this won’t end well at all.

We are in dark times indeed.

421247 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mark, 1, #514 of 2057 🔗

‘leaving the engine running’ lucky not to be starring at Climate Nuremberg trials.

420165 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 7, #515 of 2057 🔗

Zahawi, advocates segregation for the UK with his vaccine technology to enter public places, have a job etc. Segregation in the UK!

420172 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to DanClarke, 10, #516 of 2057 🔗

That c**t is behind the yougov fake polls that say 85% love lockdowns – this guy is most certainly on many lists..

420183 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nickbowes, 3, #517 of 2057 🔗

One of them being incarcerated in the Tower then execution in Tower Hill.

420191 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to nickbowes, 2, #518 of 2057 🔗

How convenient for ”the system” to find this Zahawi bloke to be involved in the ”vaccine” – Mr Yougov himself.

420204 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Banjones, 2, #519 of 2057 🔗

When the call went out I doubt if many put there hands up

However this shyster will do anything

420199 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to nickbowes, 6, #520 of 2057 🔗

This fake is a cunt

421233 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DanClarke, 2, #521 of 2057 🔗

Since vaccines reduce symptoms (if anything) doesn’t that make the vaccinated more dangerous since they’ll be out and about thinking they’re fine when in fact they are walking contagion factories expelling deadly miasma.

420170 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 13, #522 of 2057 🔗

Old news but good on the constant stream of young party goers who are giving the police an “earful..” when so called illegal raves are getting raided. That`s the spirit we need the older generations to do the same.
Anyway, we can all join the resistance at ” local freedom cells” that now seem to be popping up for the like minded. These can be found via Telegram !

420180 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 4, #523 of 2057 🔗

Anyway, we can all join the resistance at ” local freedom cells” that now seem to be popping up for the like minded. These can be found via Telegram !

Oh yes …

😉

420171 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #524 of 2057 🔗

And so the pcr test is king and emporer once again.

420206 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basics, 3, #525 of 2057 🔗

What a useful tool that’s turned out to be. Simply turn up the cycles when you need extra numbers of people on the list.

(Though they don’t need REAL numbers, of course – they can just make up what they need. I’m sure Mr Zahawi can suggest ways it can be done.)

420189 Chloe_, replying to Chloe_, 10, #526 of 2057 🔗

This might have already been posted here, but Victoria are looking to build a dedicated quarantine facility: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/16/melbourne-covid-hotel-evacuated-due-to-water-damage-as-victoria-reports-two-new-cases

On Tuesday he confirmed a senior group of officials were “actively pursuing and examining the construction of a purpose-built quarantine centre”, naming Avalon and Melbourne airports as “standout candidates”.

This is absolutely terrifying.

420200 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Chloe_, 2, #527 of 2057 🔗

Sky News Australia talks a good talk – but they seem to be OBSESSED with ”quarantine” and even ”test and trace” as if they’re the answer to everything. Then they seem surprised that the virus can’t be controlled!
They certainly don’t seem to have embraced the idea that you can simply treat sick people, and stop testing healthy ones. (Though the commenters seem to have the right idea in the main.)

(And these ”cases” they go on about are actually positive test results, with only one person in hospital.)

420281 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Chloe_, 2, #528 of 2057 🔗

Of course. And they’ll be offered to good citizens to isolate from their family when testing positive, then this will become a requirement.

Drip drip.

420923 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Chloe_, 1, #529 of 2057 🔗

Why bother , the whole bloody country is a prison. Still I suppose he can spin it as an infrastructure project to kick-start (resuscitate) the already dead economy.
Dan Andrews needs taking out with a boomerang

420193 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 16, #530 of 2057 🔗

To promote emergency approved vaccines, cheap safe treatments have been criminally ignored by our medical authorities, likely causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

Saving lives has never been the priority – its all about promoting vaccines – constant unnecessary vaccination is the goal.

Our Big Pharma funded SAGE scientist wont let the piss weak prisoner Boris out of lockdown because that might take the pressure off their determination to get all the health vaccinated – possibly doing irreparable damage to health immune systems.

This has nothing to do with saving lives.

Is there no body out there to investigate and call out these blatant crimes against humanity?

420202 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Major Panic, 6, #531 of 2057 🔗

And it’s not just in the UK, certainly a global element to this scandal.

420228 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Major Panic, 8, #532 of 2057 🔗

The end game appears to be the ID

420194 Friedrich Stapß, 26, #533 of 2057 🔗

Since we must endure YET ANOTHER image of Pfeffel (albeit in a Bob cartoon) gracing the top of the page today, I thought I’d start posting a daily alternative top-of-the-page picture that’s a bit more inspiring, since a picture says a thousand words and I don’t want all of the thousand words, all the fucking time, to be “Oh gosh look at me I’m World King aren’t I splendid”. So here’s today’s. It’s a snap from the Dutch anti-lockdown riots.

420198 lost in inner space, replying to lost in inner space, 13, #534 of 2057 🔗

The simplest way to end lockdown then is for people to stop getting tested – no tests no cases. Personally, having just had my annual cold, I can’t understand anyone who is sick wanting to troop off to a testing centre to have a stick shoved in their sensitive areas! With the test positive rate below 3% now, we’ve got some serious hyperchondriacs in this country.

420217 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to lost in inner space, 9, #535 of 2057 🔗

They seem desperate to use testing to keep this circus on the road, in Torridge where I live there were 9 +ve tests last week, Barnstaple Hospital which serves both Torridge and North Devon has 2 ‘covid’ patients. And yet we are told that they are going to open 2 mobile testing centres in Torridge, as if they cannot believe we are so low with virus and it must be there somewhere if only they look hard enough!
“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”

I guess people get tested out of an innate sense of curiosity but as others have said this testing can only lead to badoutcomes.

420223 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #536 of 2057 🔗

Maybe they’re bored, standing in a queue chatting or in a supermarket queue fills in the day

420266 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to lost in inner space, 2, #537 of 2057 🔗

Telegram::

The Great Reopening

https://the-great-reopening.com/SOCIAL

421301 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to PastImperfect, #538 of 2057 🔗

404 – not found.

420201 stewart, replying to stewart, 33, #539 of 2057 🔗

The compulsion to get tested is truly one of the most mystifying aspects of this insane shit show.

You literally get nothing for it. If you test positive they put you under house arrest. They don’t give you any extra treatment or a bag full of medicines or anything. House arrest.

If you test negative you get the satisfaction of feeling that you don’t have the virus… until the second you get close to someone else and then you can’t be sure any more.

The human race for the most part really is hopeless.

Maybe Bill Gates is onto something with his depopulation ideas…

420218 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stewart, 5, #540 of 2057 🔗

My niece, school teacher has to have one twice a week, as do the nhs workers. It keeps the numbers up. She has to isolate on a regular basis

420235 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to DanClarke, 5, #541 of 2057 🔗

They MUST start refusing!

420394 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #542 of 2057 🔗

This ^.
Refuse, and also seek justification that a positive test is guaranteed proof of infection, esp. in the absence of clinical symptoms. In writing would be handy.

420230 ▶▶ dhid, replying to stewart, 2, #543 of 2057 🔗

Maybe Bill Gates is onto something with his depopulation ideas…”

Starting with him and Blair.
I’ll screw the lids down and pop them in the furnace – no problem.
Not bothered if they try to stop me putting the lid on, I’ll have a screwdriver in my hand.

420272 ▶▶ Janette, replying to stewart, 4, #544 of 2057 🔗

They are so so desperate to find positive cases as there aren’t any. The best thing we can do as a nation is to not do the test and then Covid would magically disappear!

420203 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 54, #545 of 2057 🔗

Today is the beginning of Lent. I suggest people give up wearing masks, taking PCR tests, living in fear and staying at home.

Instead we should take up, smiling, hugging, ignoring Boris and filling our homes with friends and family.

A year ago, when Lent began, I could not have imagined that we would be here. I miss real church and fellowship so much.

Quarantine comes from the Italian for 40. Lent is 40 days. 40 is the number of preparation in the Bible. I believe we are being prepared through this extended quarantine for what’s ahead. We are being deprived of what makes us human but it is growing in us a resilience and determination to hold onto our humanity at all costs. We can either seek God in this time or seek human answers to this crisis. So far humans have failed appallingly. With God’s help we can rise above this tyranny and hold onto those things which make us human. Our government can try to take our freedom to move, to decide what goes into our bodies even our freedom to smile, but it cannot take our souls.

Thank you to all of you for being a community of people who give space for different opinions. You are a gracious bunch.

420213 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Liberty, 6, #546 of 2057 🔗

What can I give up if I’ve done none of that anyway? I’ve even given up writing to my MP as he never replies.

420973 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to DanClarke, #547 of 2057 🔗

Perhaps you can give up being civil to the lemmings who do.

421107 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to DanClarke, 1, #548 of 2057 🔗

Give up looking to anyone in this world for the answers. Take up seeking after the One with all the answers. John 3:16 tells us where our true hope lies.

420221 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Liberty, 1, #549 of 2057 🔗

I am about to send a private massage to you. Please get in touch.
Private messages can be found in the forums.

420786 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Stephanos, 2, #550 of 2057 🔗

I think we could all do with a private “massage” right now! That is the typo of the day!!

420959 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Stephanos, 1, #551 of 2057 🔗

Stephanos, I have a different username, other than Liberty. It is ichthys. I got muddled when I joined the group and ended up with Liberty as my nickname. Anyway, I have sent you a message, directing you to my actual username, I hope this reaches you.

420232 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 5, #552 of 2057 🔗

You sound like a wonderful human being, Liberty… sending big hugs! Get out and see people. We have one precious human life, we need to connect with others as much as we can.

420963 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #553 of 2057 🔗

Bless you for being so encouraging. This group really is really full of lovely people. I feel very blessed to be part of it. I am meeting people where I can, but I have lost a lot of family and church friends to fear. I have been blessed to make some courageous new friends though who are willing to stand up for truth and not give way to fear.

420207 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 36, #554 of 2057 🔗

The fact that the Dutch court has struck down the hated curfew and that the government are rolling back restrictions showed that the riots have rattled their cage. What was despicable was the government trying to blame them on immigrants, I mean, how low can they get? No-one believed them and the courts did their duty.

Didn’t someone said that governments should fear their people? This is what we’ve seen with the Netherlands. As I’ve said before I didn’t expect them to kick off but as many people have told me that if the Dutch have been pushed too far they will fight back as we’ve seen recently.

The question now is when will the Brits follow their Dutch brothers and sisters? Or at the bare minimum the Italians, Poles and Czechs?

It ain’t over until WE say it’s over.

420233 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #555 of 2057 🔗

The MSM don’t report such things in the UK, so as far as the bedwetters are concerned we’re all in this together with no decent, because the BBC haven’t reported it.

420285 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #556 of 2057 🔗

It’s going to take at least a couple of poll tax level riots and even then I think the government is too entrenched to back down.
The government have played this brilliantly;carefully steering us in the direction it wanted all along.In prison until we take an experimental potion then once we take it transfer into a life of vaccines and surveillance .

420303 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jonathan Palmer, #557 of 2057 🔗

Sadly I think you’re right especially as so many people have been brainwashed by government propaganda and MSM

420216 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #559 of 2057 🔗

“Bank of England chief economist Andy Haldane described Britain’s economy as being like a “coiled spring” ready to release vast amounts of “pent-up financial energy”.”

Really? I would imagine many people depending on their situation would err on the side of caution and actually try and save money to avoid getting caught out in any future lockdown.
Maybe that’s why the BofE floated the idea of negative interest rates.

420310 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #560 of 2057 🔗

More like “ The coi l”
forced up someones muff and no use to anyone

420219 Smelly Melly, 40, #561 of 2057 🔗

So todays fuck wit idea is, we will be in lockdown until less than 0.0015% of the population tests positive (not cases or hospitalisation), using a process that if you crank up the amplification cycles will make tap water positive.

And the bedwetters call us idiots.

420220 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 7, #562 of 2057 🔗

On my number 33 trip I am currently experiencing, I noticed the lowest suggested donation to this site is £13.33. Just throwing that into the mix. Happy Wednesday everyone!!!

420693 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GuyRich, 1, #563 of 2057 🔗

Be cautious.

421319 ▶▶ DomW, replying to GuyRich, #564 of 2057 🔗

I spotted that too, but didn’t know if it’s new or has always been there

420222 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 13, #565 of 2057 🔗

It really is as if the the Tories and the governments of most other nations on earth looked at National Socialist ideology, esp in medical experimentation, in Hitler`s Germany and decided to not “make the same errors again”. Many believe the “cult/agenda” is being driven from within our own Island.
Our Government, our politicians, our legal system, our media and our church have let us down so badly. We fight on.

420237 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to nickbowes, 5, #566 of 2057 🔗

Could be true, we have new Gene Therapy Labs opening soon, we have Blair who will not disappear, Blair on the Gates Foundation Website, Blair besties with Ferguson and then the useful idiots

420268 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 3, #567 of 2057 🔗

Blair always pops up when the cottaging is slow.

420249 ▶▶ stewart, replying to nickbowes, 5, #568 of 2057 🔗

We “fight” in the same way a cow that strays a meter or two from the line to the abattoir fights.

We’re all going to end up in the same place. Vaccine. Immunity passport.

They’ve played a blinder: Wear the public down. In their despair con them into getting vaccinated. Once enough have been vaccinated, resistance to vaccines will be crushed and support for vaccine passports will soar. Health surveillance implemented. Done.

420265 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to stewart, 8, #569 of 2057 🔗

Unfortunately, i agree with you. I knew this was on the horizon from March 23rd 20. I have a modest job, a mortgage and a young daughter but everything smells wrong about this vaccine push out. They have even made sure legally no one is responsible if it goes “tits up”. I need to work, i want my social life back, i don`t have the luxury of large savings to be able to “sit out” the agenda (could be years). My work will probably, at some stage this year, insist that i have the vaccine, then i will have to – but i have been forced against my will.

420270 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 7, #570 of 2057 🔗

As Granny Slayer pointed out recently – same with any IT upgrade never be the early adopter as that is when the testing begins.
Kick it into the long grass as far as possible and wait and see

420275 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, 14, #571 of 2057 🔗

They won’t sack anyone for no vaccine for a while. That’s my feel for it. They’ll need a test case and that can take 12 months. So there is still time to wait. So if you are unsure, insist you’ll not discuss health matters with your work and wait until the last minute. Then get them to sign something to the effect that you doing it against your will, under coercion.

420295 ▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #572 of 2057 🔗

This is an excellent suggestion BeBop.

420418 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to stewart, 3, #573 of 2057 🔗

I think you are right – but I am still never going to co-operate or consent. they are going to have to do it under anaesthetic, or else just shoot me

420224 Katabasis, 13, #574 of 2057 🔗

It just gets more depressing every damn day.

420236 stewart, replying to stewart, 1, #576 of 2057 🔗

Question: if you’ve been vaccinated are you more or less likely to be in favour of a vaccine passport?

420242 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to stewart, 5, #577 of 2057 🔗

probably for – to reward their virtuousness and punish those that haven’t.

they do not have the wherewithal to see what these control ID’s lead onto – until its too late

420253 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Major Panic, 3, #578 of 2057 🔗

It was somewhat of a leading questions.

In any case, if the public has accepted being put under house arrest for months, OF COURSE it will accept a vaccine and a vaccine passport.

420256 ▶▶▶ See - owe to Rich, replying to Major Panic, -4, #579 of 2057 🔗

I have been vaccinated, 5 days ago, and I thought about this question. I am against vaccine passports, have written to my family on the subject, and signed the parliamentary petition. Herd immunity will mean we don’t need everyone to get vaccinated, so discrimination, vile unless justified, is not in this case. But we are fortunate in having a high expected uptake of vaccinations.

420267 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to See - owe to Rich, 8, #580 of 2057 🔗

Herd immunity would have meant we don’t need to vaccinate everyone.

Err….we knew this in March 2020 except we went CCP lockdown crazy. No, herd immunity can kow only be conferred from the high priests of Pfizer and AZeneca

420276 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to See - owe to Rich, 10, #581 of 2057 🔗

I can understand anyone who is more vulnerable to C19 taking the vaccine but I think it is morally wrong for those who are healthy taking a new experimental ‘vaccine’ for the purposes herd immunity.

i’m 52 and pretty fit and healthy and I will not take the vaccine as I trust my immune system (something the scientists don’t understand half as much as they think they do while messing about with them)

While I can have a say in a vaccine passport for within UK I have absolutely no say on other countries that I may want to visit to see family and friends. If these countries demand proof of vaccine on entry then I have a dilemma.

I also think many are taking the vaccine because they have been mislead into believing its is more dangerous than it is – making medical decisions based on relentless one-sided propaganda is not sensible imo

420294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 6, #582 of 2057 🔗

I also don’t think those taking the vaccine have been fully informed – these vaccines have emergency approval and have not gone through the normal full safety checks – there is a reason for these safety checks…

420297 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 1, #583 of 2057 🔗

You’re being very simplistic, or perhaps limited in your contacts, to think that all those having a vaccine are simply massaging their ‘virtue’.

There’s a welter of motivations.

420312 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 3, #584 of 2057 🔗

hope you’re right – most of my friends say they aren’t taking the vaccine and the only vax passport discussions is how to get around them without taking any vaccine

420326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #585 of 2057 🔗

Whilst vax passports to go the supermarket is ridiculous, there are countries already saying they want proof of vaccine to enter their countries – and this will create the need for a vaccine passport – I don’t agree with it – but its starting to look like a reality how ever many times i spit my dummy out

420403 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tattersall, replying to Major Panic, #586 of 2057 🔗

“there are countries already saying they want proof of vaccine to enter their countries”
Which ones?
I know some countries are making noises about it, but these noises are deliberately being amplified by our media.

420441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tattersall, #587 of 2057 🔗

Greece & Spain – most of europe seem up for it, politically at least

I’b be amazed if US, OZ and The KIWIs dont also.

but I really hope you’re right and its all just noise

420797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Major Panic, #588 of 2057 🔗

iimmune system dependant axe the vax

420378 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #589 of 2057 🔗

I’m intrigued by this down vote at a simple factual observation. I’ve just had a conversation that confirms my point. Are some ‘sceptics’ suffering from the same willed distortions of reality as the Covid proponents?

420358 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stewart, 2, #590 of 2057 🔗

Should children be banned from travelling forever? Or should children’s risk of illness or death be increased by taking a vaccine they absolutely have zero need for?

420240 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 23, #591 of 2057 🔗

In the interview last Wednesday with Mike Graham, Talk Radio, Neil Oliver was speaking about a creeping sense of agoraphobia. I’ve felt it myself. I’ve travelled the world, sometimes alone and sometimes with the other half – yet I find myself now making excuses not to go down to the village shop! Needless to say, I do go, and further afield, but I’m aware of a reluctance – not for fear but a feeling of hopelessness that sometimes comes unaware, just when I’m trying to be positive.

(I walked to the shop yesterday and it proved to be a positive experience – no muzzles on the streets, no cringers or swervers, people muzzled in the shop – except me – but even these cheerful and chatty. I wish I could say it boded well….)

420264 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 14, #592 of 2057 🔗

I don’t go to shops as its too intense a reminder that we are surrounded by idiots and a government taking advantage of them.

It’s certainly anxiety inducing

420271 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #593 of 2057 🔗

100% agree. I go on my shopping trips determined to not let the masked zombies get me down but my resolve does not last very long particularly when you a blue wave walking towards along the high street.

I do what I need to do and get home

420336 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Banjones, 2, #594 of 2057 🔗

I’ve noticed this among some friends and relatives. The agoraphobia must in part be explained by the constant state-supported germophobic propaganda and moral blackmail in TV and radio ads.

420743 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to OKUK, 2, #595 of 2057 🔗

I think it’s more like government-induced OCD and germophobia. All the rituals you have to engage in just to go outside encourages a form of psychosis. My sister was a germophobe and it was amazing what she would do upon entering an “unclean” place like a hotel room. Yes, she was psychotic.

420406 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Banjones, #596 of 2057 🔗

Agoraphobia, no, maskophobia certainly. They both produce similar symptoms though.

420737 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Old Bill, #597 of 2057 🔗

That was my thought, too. My mother suffered from agoraphobia for over 20 years, so I have some idea of the mindset. While I feel reluctant to leave my flat sometimes, it’s fear of masked zombies and their hate stares for daring not to wear a mask while outside.

420449 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Banjones, 3, #598 of 2057 🔗

I avoid the shops because I was bullied in one and the fear of my being violent towards bullies is one reason why I do the bare minimum and leave.

I also stick to a very few tried and tested supermarkets and that’s it.

420245 See - owe to Rich, replying to See - owe to Rich, 15, #599 of 2057 🔗

Whilst I thoroughly applaud this site, I do not agree with the articles on the Gibraltar epidemic. I have a Ph.D. in statistics, and without the green line of vaccinations I would see nothing unusual in the orange line of deaths relative to the line for cases. So deaths versus cases looks entirely natural. Any coincidence between kinks in the deaths and vaccination lines is therefore, IMHO, just that, a coincidence.

On the more pressing matter of UK policy on February 22nd, is this site going to do anything to facilitate much needed mass demonstrations against lockdown if the “roadmap” is as disastrous as we fear?

420259 ▶▶ stewart, replying to See - owe to Rich, #600 of 2057 🔗

Nope.

420263 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to See - owe to Rich, 6, #601 of 2057 🔗

So why have they gone from no deaths to the worst in the world? Seems a bit of an outlier? And that graph won’t be enough. We’d need to look at the profile of those dying and their vaccination status. That’s where you’ll have to start.

420288 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #602 of 2057 🔗

The point is that the data is actually quite weak – and far from conclusive without much more information.

It’s not as weak as the various claims that lockdown and mask wearing is effective – but that’s the point. The rational side should not be indulging in confirmation bias that undermines the wider case.

420450 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to See - owe to Rich, 2, #603 of 2057 🔗

The last restriction to be lifted will protests of more than 2 people.

420247 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #604 of 2057 🔗

Yes it’s a roadmap. Unfortunately the road is the M25

420283 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Cecil B, #605 of 2057 🔗

Great!

420250 alw, replying to alw, 7, #606 of 2057 🔗
  • “While the media claims mask mandates are based on science and will “save lives,” science is actually ignored wholesale and recommendations are primarily pushed based on emotional justifications and triggers
  • Recommendations have fluctuated wildly from initially admonishing people to not wear masks, to mandating universal mask wearing by all, including the healthy, to wearing two, three and even four masks, plus goggles and face shields
  • The logical reason for all this flip-flopping is because actual science is being ignored. From the start, the available research has been rather consistent: Mask wearing does not reduce the prevalence of viral illness and asymptomatic spread is exceedingly rare, if not nonexistent
  • The largest COVID-19-specific mask trial to date found masks may either reduce your risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection by as much as 46%, or increase it by 23%. Either way, the vast majority — 97.9% of those who didn’t wear masks, and 98.2% of those who did — remained infection free
  • The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention rely on an anecdotal story about two hair stylists who interacted with clients while symptomatic. Because everyone wore masks in the salon, and none tested positive after exposure, they claim this is evidence that the masks prevented the spread of infection. Meanwhile, other CDC data reveal 85% of confirmed COVID-19 patients used masks “often” or “always”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/17/mask-mandate-for-all.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&sd=20210130&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20210217_HL2&mid=DM797984&rid=1085999808

420274 ▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 4, #607 of 2057 🔗

Because everyone wore masks in the salon, and none tested positive after exposure, they claim this is evidence that the masks prevented the spread of infection.”

Remember the research finding that, within households , there is only 17% transmission of infection?

421141 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, #608 of 2057 🔗

Yes, I remember that 17 per cent. It’s never mentioned now, is it? Probably because this virus is vanishing so quickly, it’s irrelevant.

421139 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, 2, #609 of 2057 🔗

I think the reason for this ”flip flopping” is simply to keep us off balance. Worried people are easier to control – especially those who WANT to obey the rules, but are made confused and afraid by the constant changes.
It’s all part of the control thing.

420252 lost in inner space, replying to lost in inner space, 5, #610 of 2057 🔗

According to the lockdown personality quiz, I’m a sceptic! Genius. My coping strategies including reading classical philosophy, using my emotions more, and not getting lost down the rabbit hole of seriously absurd ideas – seems like thats the kind of approach that has us in this mess in the first place.

420258 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to lost in inner space, #611 of 2057 🔗

Recommend some good classic philosophy for these times? Go on

420261 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #612 of 2057 🔗

The Stoics.

420676 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Steve Hayes, #613 of 2057 🔗

And Diogenes.

421062 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #614 of 2057 🔗

Wasn’t he the one who used to live in a big pot, an amphora, naked, tugging on his appendage when the mood took him?

Even Greek leaders were somewhat in awe of their philosophers. Alexander the Great, the most powerful man in the world, visited him one day with his entourage in tow and inquired whether there was anything he could do for him.

“Yes,” replied Diogenes. “You could move out of the way as your blocking my sun.”

420269 ▶▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #615 of 2057 🔗

Sorry, I wrote that slightly wrong – the strategies were recommended for me at the end of the quiz, not by me!

420309 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #616 of 2057 🔗

Going back to reading classical philosophy would only wind me up at the moment. It would remind me of deep, rational and truth-seeking behaviours that are no longer present. The only “truth” that matters now is situational truth driven by the hysteria of the day.

421147 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #617 of 2057 🔗

Ask B Johnson. But then – it hasn’t done HIM much good, has it?

420260 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to lost in inner space, 3, #618 of 2057 🔗

I got rebel

420319 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #619 of 2057 🔗

Me too. Not sure about that – just think I’m rational.

420278 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 10, #620 of 2057 🔗

I have an unanswered nagging question – can anyone help? What is the medical rationale for listing deaths as “within 28 days of a COVID test?” We don’t list other deaths as within x days of a flu diagnosis etc etc so how is this different method justified scientifically? I know perfectly well the Government & PHE want to inflate figures so that’s not my point.

420438 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Marialta, 1, #621 of 2057 🔗

I don’t see how there can be a medical rationale.

420635 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to rockoman, 1, #622 of 2057 🔗

Nor can I – but the idea cannot have come out of thin air ……….

420443 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Marialta, 6, #623 of 2057 🔗

Unfortunately there is no answer, other than the one you have stated. If people were still allowed to ask questions and we had any real journalists left who hadn’t been paid off, then the government might have to come up with a good lie. There is NO rationale, just as there isn’t with every single thing this government does. Whatever they come up I simply look at the opposite and know that will be the truth, if they say right I think left, works well.

421152 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Marialta, 1, #624 of 2057 🔗

It’s just something the risibly-named ”SAGE” came up with, I suppose. (Now called ”SAG” as the final ”E” is redundant.)

420279 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 12, #625 of 2057 🔗

Is the pro/anti vaccine divide just the same as the incompetence/deeper plan divide?

The sceptic movement has always been divided between those who believe lockdown was a result of mistaken government policy and those who thought more sinister motives were at work.

It now has a new divide between those who welcome the vaccines as a route out of lockdown and those who see vaccines as the gateway to a new dystopia based on health passports and digital currency/social credit systems?

Are the same people on the respective sides. It would appear so with eg Toby Young and Dr John Lee being pro vaccine and ‘incompetent government’ believers whilst eg James Delingpole and Dave Cullen being anti vaccine and believing much darker global forces at work. Are there any people who are ‘incompetence’ believers who are anti vaccine or ‘sinister global forces’ believers who welcome the vaccines?

We need to iron these issues out instead of keeping just discussing one aspect without the other. It seems to me to come down to whether you believe governments are basically nice people with your best interests at heart or whether they are malign forces which see you as a mere pawn in their plans and intentions.

Do other site members believe these two aspects are related and which side are they on? I know where I stand but will leave that for a while to hear some feedback.

420305 ▶▶ See - owe to Rich, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #626 of 2057 🔗

Yes, I am pro-vaccine and sinister global forces, but the latter only in the last few days. The dark forces influence SAGE, which would have no influence if BJ had not suffered badly with Covid-19 and stuck to his erstwhile libertarian ideals.

420337 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #627 of 2057 🔗

I’d put myself as closer to the incompetence end of that spectrum, but resistant to the vaccines because I regard them as a direct path to the permanent acceptance of the new model of approach to respiratory diseases – fear them, and lock down until big pharma rides to the rescue.

I suspect there will be quite a strong correlation on the two divides you mention, and I’m just a bit of an outlier here.

But as always, a lot depends on the semantics. Dig into the definitions and you often find that what appear to be profoundly different positions are not necessarily as fundamentally different as they appear.

420355 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 6, #628 of 2057 🔗

If you’re an outlier, so am I. I also think pro vs anti vaccine is possibly not a helpful term. I have serious doubts about the vaccine, but even if it worked wonders we should never accept it as a “route out of lockdown” – it’s quite possible to think the vaccine is great and everyone should have it but at the same time think that lockdown should never have happened and should be lifted now.

420363 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Julian, 2, #629 of 2057 🔗

It comes down to coercion or no coercion for me now and that argument can even be had without recourse to the risks/benefits of the numerous vaccines (the fact there are numerous vaccines does present a significant problem to the pro-vaccine side though).

420445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Katabasis, 3, #630 of 2057 🔗

Coercion is clearly wrong, full stop

We then move on to informed consent – and given what’s happening, can we really say that has been possible?

420476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Julian, 1, #631 of 2057 🔗

Nope. Not in the slightest. And yet we have supposed senior academics and medical professionals wheeled out to baldly state that the risk of covid outweighs the risk of the vaccine(s) when they cannot possibly know that in advance.

420618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Katabasis, #632 of 2057 🔗

Back to the old known and unknown unknowns.

420341 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #633 of 2057 🔗

I would be more inclined to support the roll out of emergency vaccines for the vulnerable, had other simpler measures been tried and failed first. Mass Vit D education could have been tried in September/October, for example.

420368 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #634 of 2057 🔗

The fact that extolling the benefits of Vit D uptake and other simple inexpensive measures is almost entirely absent is extremely sinister.

420432 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Katabasis, 7, #635 of 2057 🔗

Exactly.

If Vitamin D saves just one life ……

420722 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Katabasis, #636 of 2057 🔗

I recall that there was a brief glimmer of the government recommending vit d, and then them backtracking almost immediately, calling it untested or some such thing.

421238 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Katabasis, #637 of 2057 🔗

I agree with you. It’s the absence of advice from the government regarding such simple things – like the benefits of vitamins, and these were well known from the beginning; and the lack of urgent studies on theraputics such as HCQ and Ivermectin as SOON as they’d been shown to be of possible benefit – that’s what makes all these ”measures” questionable and sinister. There was a reason they didn’t want people to become confident, but to have just enough hope to keep them controllable.

It was all leading to the vaccine roll out for a desperate people – making a lot of money for some. The ones who could influence events.

420350 ▶▶ George L, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #638 of 2057 🔗

There’s not a grain of truth in any of this shit show, be it the gene therapy posing as vaccines or the supposed deadly covid 19. This whole thing is a conspiracy alright, one that was planned decades ago by the usual suspects who are given the name elite, but parasitical scum’s more appropriate.

I won’t beat about the bush, the ‘parasitical scum’ have espoused depopulation for millennia, and now they have the technology, useful idiots, and a sheep like populace to be able to pull it off.

I couldn’t get my head around the 2025 population figures on the Deagel.com website back in 2015, it gave a UK population figure of 15-million . Fast forward five and a bit years and I can certainly get my head around it now.. this is the planned genocide of the UK population, and they’ve even knocked off another million. Its 14-million now. A 78% reduction.

Take a look and sober up, your government are going to take care of you.. literally!

https://www.deagel.com/forecast

420436 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to George L, 2, #639 of 2057 🔗

Yes – a few years ago it was difficult to see a pathway to that population figure.

Now I see it.

The progressive degradation through monomania of all aspects of life gets us there.

420384 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #640 of 2057 🔗

definitely the Delingpole-Cullen camp. Just as I can’t understand how anyone can still be buying into the ‘global pandemic’ garbage, nor do I understand how anyone can attribute this to mere stupidity – give them a little credit!! – or do you think that nobody is as intelligent as you are? that only you are capable of observation and analysis? – I think they know EXACTLY what they’re doing, and it is all intentional and purposeful – we are not dealing here with well-meaning imbeciles doing their best, muddling through. The conclusion is inescapable: the world is unspeakably evil, it is ruled by Satan. I understand the recoiling from this awful truth, black-pilled as I am, I experience it myself, a part of me still can’t believe it, how can we be living in this episode of ‘Black Mirror’, and in spite of everything I’ve seen there is a persistent sliver of hope that one day that cosy, tame, homely little world that I used to call ‘normality’ will just come back

420533 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Boris Bullshit, #641 of 2057 🔗

I am ‘incompetence not conspiracy’ but anti-vaccine coercion.

420282 primesinister, replying to primesinister, 27, #642 of 2057 🔗

Thankyou LS I realise im not the only person having a shit time, and thanks for the support from you lot today it means mountains.
My little hill of woe dwarfed by the mountain of love care and empathy from human souls i have never met, what an immense power that is , from my heart thankyou

420293 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to primesinister, 2, #643 of 2057 🔗

I’m so glad you’re feeling a bit better! 🙂

420414 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to primesinister, 14, #644 of 2057 🔗

You are not alone, as has been said so many times but worth repeating. I am in a really bad place today, just sat crying and wondering how I can pull myself out of my pit of depair. I know that I should go out and get some air but can’t drag myself off the sofa. One thing is for sure, if I didn’t have my (adult) kids then I definitely wouldn’t still be here. This post is only to say that you are not weak or feeble minded to feel as you do. We are the fighters even if sometimes it doesn’t feel that way.

I am going to go on the demonstration on the 20th March with my son, it scares me to death being a middle aged woman who has never done anything like this in my life. We are being imprisoned and our freedoms eroded, this has to end. I’m not saying that marches are the answer but at least I will feel that I tried.

420531 ▶▶▶ jennybean, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #645 of 2057 🔗

I feel the same, I’m not much of a cryer but now have a blub several times a week! The government are not our friend, don’t care about businesses or children or old people dying on their own thinking no one cares about them. I’m a 45 year old Mum of 3 but would go to protests of someone would come with me. Even if it’s only to be able to ‘look my kids in the eyes ‘ and said I did all i could to stop what is happening

420689 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to jennybean, 3, #646 of 2057 🔗

I understand that Jenny, if my son wasn’t going I’m afraid that I wouldn’t be strong enough to do it alone. Must be so hard having younger children (i’m guessing they are younger than mine), I worry every day about the future for mine and my grandson. Like you, I have never been one for crying at the drop of a hat but this shit show has me reduced me to a blubbering mess at times.

420284 wendyk, 5, #647 of 2057 🔗

https://unherd.com/thepost/americas-radical-young-rich-are-out-of-control/

This is not directly related but it’s worth reading and identifies the frankly poisonous self righteousness and entitlement ,combined with complete lack of restraint or self discipline, which has worried me for so long.

These spoilt obnoxious lunatics will shortly be using their connections to ensure that they smooth their way into influential positions, whether in politics or media.

And on volunteer vaccinators; I’ve just been told by one in the know, that medics, dentists and nurses are being paid five times as much as lay volunteers.

So, money talks, as always: what’s not to like, when you’re doing up to 12 hours at a vaccination centre and adding to your already generous salary?

So, financial incentives to encourage uptake amongst the punters, while the wealth gap grows and grows.

Corruption, cronyism, denial of dissent, compliance and fear. Exit route anyone?

420286 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #648 of 2057 🔗

1000 ‘cases’? It’s got to be a ‘run it up the flagpole and see who shoots it down’, hasn’t it? They can make 1000 cases in the push of a button.

420330 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #649 of 2057 🔗

I think this is way below the threshold for epidemic status. It’s zero covid “extreme”.

420373 ▶▶ alw, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #650 of 2057 🔗

Even if they got to whatever number they would still want to continue lockdown. Drunk on power doesn’t even begin to describe what’s happening.

420289 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #651 of 2057 🔗

Please support the #UnlockInn campaign

https://www.countryside-alliance.org/our-work/e-lobbies/please-support-the-unlockinn-campaign

Pubs up and down the country form an integral part of the community, especially in rural areas. They provide a large number of jobs and have big networks of other businesses that rely on them being open for trade, from butchers to breweries. In many parts of the country, pubs can be one of the only hubs available to those suffering from loneliness.

A recent survey carried out by the Countryside Alliance, which was covered in the Sunday Express, revealed the shocking reality our pub trade faces. Only 34 percent of those publicans who responded said they can hold out being shut until Summer 2021. Losing pubs would be devastating and irreversible.

This has been a very difficult time for so many people. As the rollout of the vaccination continues to be as successful as it has been, we hope that you can join us in requesting your MP to ask the government to do the following:

1.  Allow pubs to serve alcohol with takeaways as soon as possible. This is currently not allowed.
2.  Scrap the ‘substantial meal’ requirement, when pubs open again.
3.  If pubs are forced to remain closed into the Summer months, please provide these struggling businesses with increased financial support. We cannot see them fall by the wayside.
4.  Offer a practical road map for pubs and the hospitality industry at large to help them realistically prepare for when they can resume trading again.
5.  Extend VAT at 5%, while ensuring rates are cut by 50 percent for the same length of time. This will help pubs get through the much-needed economic recovery.

These asks are based on feedback obtained over many weeks from publicans up and down the country.

With your help, we hope to protect our much loved pubs and inns across the country.

Thank you!

(P.S: The following MPs have already confirmed their support for the #UnlockInn campaign: Greg Smith (
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420592 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #652 of 2057 🔗

I did this and got a reply the next day! A load of waffle but at least the Fat Fuck or one of his minions had to do some work for a change. Interestingly he referred to all the abuse he had had in correspondence. Well no shit Sherlock.

420301 Bella Donna, 8, #653 of 2057 🔗

Pre Covid UK daily death rate was about 1500, they are never going to let us out of Lockdown especially when they continue to use PCR over 30 cycles.

420304 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #654 of 2057 🔗

Stop Press 2: The redoubtable Heather Mac Donald points out a glaring contradiction in woke orthodoxy on Tucker Carlson :”

It’s of course only a contradiction if you don’t share the goals and assumptions of those pushing the agenda. As Heather MacDonald herself explains:

They want to completely change the character of this country, the norms the traditions, and the demographics of it…. it is based in hatred of a civilisation deemed too white and too male, and they’re going to do everything they can, whether it’s spewing the poison of identity politics, teaching American to hate each other, to hate their past, or flooding it with mass, low-skilled immigration that increases the wealth gap, that hurts American blacks and hispanics, and in an environment where you have this ideology of racial hatred we are making assimilation impossible

Small wonder Trump received a significantly higher vote number than any Presidential candidate in history, bar Biden’s highly questionable one, in the teeth of massively higher spending by the Democrats and open and systematic bias against him in most of the media and big tech social media. Small wonder either that many blacks and hispanics voted for him.

But the Democrats are behaving as though they have a mandate to crush him and his policies, and those who agree with them.

This will not end well for either Democrats or the US.

420311 ▶▶ See - owe to Rich, replying to Mark, -3, #655 of 2057 🔗

Very interesting, but what’s that got to do with Covid-19 lockdown?

420315 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to See - owe to Rich, 9, #656 of 2057 🔗

Part of the same agenda: Destruction of the west.

420320 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to See - owe to Rich, 5, #657 of 2057 🔗

It’s a direct quote and comment on a piece specifically included above the line, in a section established above the line by the site’s owner.. Sorry (not sorry) if it’s something you’d prefer not to be discussed.

420346 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #658 of 2057 🔗

RickH:

Oh God, here’s another stupid hobby horse rider saying stupid bad things that should not be said and distracting our attention from the proper and necessary course of action that we should all be exclusively talking about, which is obviously exposing the right wing origin of all this and ensuring that we get a Labour government, because by then of course we will have risen up and cleansed the Labour Party of all those right wingers in charge of it.

[Just thought I’d save him the time.]

420366 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #659 of 2057 🔗

Thank you Mark. But you mistake strictures on things ‘not being said’ for the simple point that its just irrelevant ranting which feeds the 77th Brigade.

You are quite entitled to your obsessions, misconceptions and fantasies, and I actually can’t be arsed to shadow all your posts to put you right – because it’s irrelevant.

420437 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 2, #660 of 2057 🔗

because it’s irrelevant.

Don’t know if you noticed, but we’ve all been made irrelevant.

420306 PoshPanic, 6, #661 of 2057 🔗

It’s clearer to me now, than ever, that Ferguson, Sage, the quacks that are independent Sage and numerous other “experts” around the world, are straight up liabilities.

Ferguson et al, love their waves. But if that’s the case, then why don’t they model in the way you would with real life wave conditions?

Local wave conditions ( let’s call them “cases” ) are reliant on the swell forecast ( let’s call swell “the virus” ) , which itself is driven by pressure systems in the oceans ( let’s call this “seasonality” ).

So if a large swell is forecast for a few days, then it must follow that large, perfect wave conditions would be guaranteed. It doesn’t work quite like that. The conditions for each location ie: wind direction, beach direction, water depth, beach or reef shape, tidal effects all have huge impacts on the wave conditions. Wave forecasts are useful, but only where all of these elements and local knowledge combine to make it so.

If you don’t look for the pressure systems in the first place and then you ignore half of the local conditions, then how the fuck would you ever be able to predict the local wave conditions in the first place?

Anyways, was thinking of this analogy this morning and made a poster to support my back of fag packet calculations.

420317 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #662 of 2057 🔗

And another concessionary Maserati from Will Jones :

Ross Clark in the Telegraph rightly criticises the Government’s lamentable refusal to capitalise on the vaccine programme success”

What f.ing ‘success’? I’ve heard of premature ejaculation, but this is ridiculous!

When is the site going to have the tag ‘Sponsered by Pfizer and Astra Zenica’?

420376 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 8, #663 of 2057 🔗

Lol – might as well, the way things are going.

It’s a bit like talking about the government’s “valium success” in doling out billions of valium tablets back in the 80s and 90s..

Yes, it might have some effects – just as valium has a wide range of effects – but any sceptic worth their salt is going to ask “What counts as success?” If an 85 year old with dementia has been kept alive for another 3 months so that they can experience even more distressing symptoms of dementia, is that a success? If a 90 year old avoids the possibility of passing away peacfully with a respiratory virus, but dies a year later of septicaemia after having their leg amputated, is that success? If a young woman become infertile as a result of receiving the vaccine, is that a success? (Don’t tell me that’s disinformation – the manufacturers themselves admit they have no idea what the effects on fertility could be). If a young healthy person develops Bells Palsy is that a success? If aged and frail people who have had the vaccine develop Covid-like symptoms and die, is that a “success”?

And if people like Prof Edmunds argue that the mass vaccination programme makes it imperative to extend lockdown, in order to prevent the emergence of vaccine-defying mutant strains, is that “success”.

Will it be a success if the Covid vaccine paves the way for hundreds more mRNA vaccines, further decline in our natural immunity, the rise of even more dangerous respiratory pathogens and a germophobic culture?

420430 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #664 of 2057 🔗

When is the site going to have the tag ‘Sponsered by Pfizer and Astra Zenica’?

Wonderful!

420323 JayBee, 6, #665 of 2057 🔗

They have now officially gone mad and are not just not trying to hide it but are advertising it as such and are, extremely, proud of it.

420324 iansn, 3, #666 of 2057 🔗

Will, you have the figures way wrong for the village of 500, as of yesterday the death rate is 0.19%. So that net deaths would be 3 in 2.75 years. You would not even notice that.

420325 Melangell, #667 of 2057 🔗

Did the survey – rebel: no surprise there!

420327 mattghg, replying to mattghg, #668 of 2057 🔗

I took the personality quiz. I thought I’d be a “rebel” but it turns out I’m a “sceptic”. *Shrugs*.

420427 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mattghg, #669 of 2057 🔗

You surely don’t need witchcraft to tell yourself how you feel?

Psychology = voodoo, it’s incredible that they are still calling it science in 2021

420525 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Anti_socialist, #670 of 2057 🔗

It’s all a bit of fun. Psychology can be done well but to do so requires insight, care, humility and hard work.

420758 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mattghg, #671 of 2057 🔗

You think its fun until it becomes personal. Psychology is a giant mindfuck, put simply a means of control to enforce conformity, there’s nothing innocent or harmless about it, it’s manipulation plain & simple.

420767 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #672 of 2057 🔗

Go and have a lie down.

420328 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 21, #673 of 2057 🔗

One moment LS is telling us mass vaccination is “the quickest route out of lockdown” (Copyright 2021, Toby Young). The next day LS is whingeing that despite the mass vaccination programme, the government is going to insist on cases falling below 1000 per day before lockdown measures are lifted. You were warned! Genuflecting to the vaccine idol is a dangerous business.

LS doesn’t even examine the possibility canvassed by Dr John Lees a few weeks back on Talk Radio that the Pfizer vaccine could trigger positive results in Covid testing. We already know by the manufacturer’s own admissions that the vaccine can produce “Covid-like” symptoms, so if someone presents with those symptoms after vaccination they will likely be tested for Covid. In fact LS allude to this possibility when quoting in today’s edition a comment from the Gibraltar government on six “Covid” deaths in Gibraltar which occurred in people who tested negative for Covid before vaccination but then had Covid symptoms after vaccination and tested positive for Covid. LS should be focussing on this issue because of course it could mean that mass vaccination is going to produce continued Covid cases and Covid deaths.

And of course there’s lockdown and there are the other measures. Just because “lockdown” is lifted it doesn’t mean mandatory state interference with how we breathe (masking) won’t continue or the non-vaccined being made second class citizens in their own homeland. In many ways I object more to mandatory masking than I do to being confined to home. Masking is an assault on bodily integrity, a fundamental human right.

420338 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to OKUK, 10, #674 of 2057 🔗

And if they, for some reason, got down to 1000 cases, or even zero, they will come up with a different story to keep on doing what they’re doing.
The Why? or What for? can still not plausibly be answered, but one thing is for sure: no one is acting with good intentions or in the national interest here.

420345 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JayBee, 13, #675 of 2057 🔗

I tell you – we are dealing with evil. we are not dealing with rational actors. this is spiritual in nature, this is Satan, summonsing all his demons who are now marching in lockstep across the face of the earth.

420529 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to JaneHarry, #676 of 2057 🔗

666 or the reptiles.
I am not into that, but it’s gaining massively in credibility, day by day.

420329 JayBee, 10, #677 of 2057 🔗

“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”
Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

They have mastered that art, for sure.

420354 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to p02099003, 6, #679 of 2057 🔗

“Initially, the study will use the virus that has been circulating in the UK since the pandemic began in March, which is of low risk to healthy adults , to deliberately infect volunteers.”

Emphasis mine – you’d hardly know that was still the case in the face of all the propaganda though.

420470 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Katabasis, 1, #680 of 2057 🔗

They are lying. And when you see that kind of line, to support their next preffered policy but negating previous lies, you have evidence of fraud.

420335 RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #681 of 2057 🔗

Glen Bishop is doing some good work on taking SAGE and Imperial to bits.

I’m therefore surprised at his unquestioning statement :

We are at 120,000 deaths after three lockdowns .”

The 1000,000 + deaths from Covid really needs to be looked at critically, given the fabrications made.

420353 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #682 of 2057 🔗

I think Glen also falls into the ageist fallacy when he says :

I am fairly sure one year in my 20s is worth four years in my 80s or 90s .”

No Glen. My life is time limited – much more so than when I was in my 20s. The year that we have just lost is a comparatively massive proportion of that remaining time just thrown to the dogs.

420420 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #683 of 2057 🔗

A convenient truth.

Flu & Covid fatality figures were combined back in autumn 2020. But apparently flu disappeared, does that mean they stopped testing for flu? It’s amazing the correlation between willingness to test & prevalence of disease.

 Well no not really.

420339 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 25, #684 of 2057 🔗

“Freedom is a fragile thing and it’s never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by way of inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. And those in world history who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again.”
Ronald Reagan
Ouch.

420423 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JayBee, 3, #685 of 2057 🔗

Thanks. One for the board.

421211 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JayBee, #686 of 2057 🔗

Ouch indeed with Joe Xiden babbling CCP talking points (rape of Uighurs is just cultural norms …)

420342 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 14, #687 of 2057 🔗

If the suspicions about the presence of SARS-CoV-2 in autumn 2019 are confirmed then surely there’s no need for lockdown to continue, the vaccine is not required and that there’s widespread immunity. It would support the anecdotal evidence of signs and symptoms seen in Autumn 2019.

420356 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 7, #688 of 2057 🔗

There was a a wave of sickness in November 19 that seemed over and above the normal rhinovirus surge. However rhinos can be quite nasty too

420404 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to p02099003, 2, #689 of 2057 🔗

I’m disappointed in your comment, where have you been? There was never “need for lockdown”.

420527 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #690 of 2057 🔗

I wasn’t advocating for the lockdown in the first place, it was a mistake. However, the status quo is that we do have a lockdown, no matter the rights and wrongs, it is this that needs to be lifted immediately.

420477 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to p02099003, 5, #691 of 2057 🔗

I had something very covid-like in October 2019 flu-like symptoms, and then a dry cough that went on for several months. Very like whooping cough in the way it made me quite breathless. i know others who had something very similar around the same time.

420485 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to maggie may, #692 of 2057 🔗

Yep. I came back from a festival in August 2019 with covid-like symptoms and the breathlessness lasted for two weeks. Two of my friends I was camping with also had the same symptoms several days apart.

420644 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Katabasis, 1, #693 of 2057 🔗

We had something in December-January 2019-20 that we now think was probably ‘Covid19’. It was doing the rounds here. Interestingly very few people have had ‘IT’ since March 2020. (Didn’t stop us ending up in ‘Tier 4’ of course!) We still have the dry cough, 14 months later, as do many others round here. The weather doesn’t help…. MW

420837 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, #694 of 2057 🔗

It has been suggested that younger adults and children didn’t show any signs of infection during the period February to May 2020. However, if the virus was present in Autumn 2019, how many children were symptomatic which was put down to a general viral infection? The patients that I saw around that time were under 60 year olds. Also an epidemic doesn’t suddenly appear, there’s several weeks or months build up. The most susceptible then develop severe symptoms.

420347 frankfrankly, 1, #695 of 2057 🔗

This is an interesting take on vaccines by ‘Future Learn’-effectively it is an ad. for their courses, but at least they do have some which teach about vaccines & immunisation, and indeed the difference between these terms; plus they do stress the amount of time protection lasts is unknown-

https://www.futurelearn.com/info/blog/how-do-vaccines-work?utm_campaign=fl_bau&utm_medium=email&utm_source=marketing&utm_term=210217_GNL___UK&utm_content=copy

420359 nickbowes, 6, #696 of 2057 🔗

So back to normal by summer means pubs with “social distancing” ffs. So the days of racking up at the bar at some backstreet pub for a swift mild are over.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9267563/Roadmap-lockdown-Blueprint-UKs-future-suggests-pubs-business-May.html#comments

420360 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 18, #697 of 2057 🔗

I heard in a brief newsflash what must be, in a very crowded competiton, the most absurd statement of rcent days re:covid and vaccines . Our (I think it was one of our ministers) Govt is proposing a 4 day ceasefire between the forces engaged in a bitter war in Syris and Iraq so that vaccination could take place . After which , suitably protected for 10 years from flu, they are allowed to go back to killing each other with guns , bombs, napalm etc. Earlier I raised questions about the sanity of this Govt. I think that my questions have been answered if it is indeed our Govt proposing this .
It reminds me of the Xmas truce in WW1 which most people think absolutly wonderful . I have always thought it one of the saddest things I ever heard .

420400 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to mikewaite, 5, #698 of 2057 🔗

Dear Terrorists,

We will stop blowing the hell out of your country for a few days so that you can all get vaccinated. This shows how much we actually care about people.

After you have all been vaccinated, we will continue to drop bombs on your country and kill your countrymen.

It’s not safe fighting in a war if you have not been vaccinated – you could kill people.

Only once 100% of all people in your country have been jabbed, we can continue the hostilities. Now where did we put that depleted uranium?

420407 ▶▶ gina, replying to mikewaite, #699 of 2057 🔗

Yep, I heard that too. Its mind numbing isn’t it?

421032 ▶▶ stewart, replying to mikewaite, #700 of 2057 🔗

A ceasefire to get a covid vaccination, now that is some truly hilarious shit.

420364 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 18, #701 of 2057 🔗

Unfortunately ‘her indoors’ is addicted to the vomit inducing BBC R2. In particular the 1030am ‘Popmaster’ ritual. Inevitably I hear some of it before I flee the room. Every contestant is ‘doing well’, is either a ‘front line’ worker or married to one, or if not is happily working from home.

There appears to be no representation of the millions who aren’t from the Zoom and Latté brigade. Of the millions who aren’t ‘doing well’ and in fact on the edge of terminal despair.

Are these people weeded out during the application process, or do they simply not listen to this diabetes inducing programming?

The BBC must join the list of individuals and organisations indicted for their conduct during this overblown casedemic. They continue to paint a glossy picture of a population ‘keeping calm and battling on’ that is simply not representative of the truth.

420375 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to eastender53, 3, #702 of 2057 🔗

1 Why did you marry her?

2 Why have you not divorced her?

420382 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 1, #703 of 2057 🔗

Because he loves her, silly.

420390 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Cecil B, 6, #704 of 2057 🔗

1. Because she would have me.
2. A little matter of ‘Till death do us part’. They’re called Vows for a reason.

420612 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to eastender53, #705 of 2057 🔗

eastender53

A little matter of ‘Till death do us part’.

I’ve seen a tv programme about you, haven’t I ? 🙂

420747 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JohnB, 1, #706 of 2057 🔗

Uncalled-for, he came to vent a little about his mrs, no need to forensically destroy his relationship.

421814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, #707 of 2057 🔗

Do one.

WEST HAAAAM, INNIT ?!

Silly moo …

420379 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to eastender53, 5, #708 of 2057 🔗

I’ve always been able to work from home for at least half of the week for years before this insanity began and I used to value those days of isolation as I could get a lot of work done without interruption.

I’m one of the lucky ones for long term job prospects through all of this.

I’m still going out of my mind and each day wake up wondering if this is just some long drawn out nightmare.

420385 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to eastender53, 6, #709 of 2057 🔗

If you can convince people that everyone else is happy with it, then people who are not happy will probably start to think there is something wrong with them. The selfish bastards! They obviously don’t care how many people have to die for them to go on holiday!

“There are people far worse off than you, you need to grow a pair and stop complaining! It’s only a year of your life, ‘we can do this'”

Hopefully, one day people who were taken in by this will feel terrible when they realise what they have enabled with their blind compliance. I’m not sure how many more people need their lives totally ruining before they realise this. It probably won’t hit home until their life is ruined (they clearly don’t give a shit about their kids if they have any).

420399 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to eastender53, 6, #710 of 2057 🔗

I used to love that show, and many others. I switched off the BBC and deleted all the apps (iPlayer and Sounds) from my devices when I realised they were complicit in peddling the propaganda surrounding this nightmare. Haven’t been anywhere near the evil institution since April last year. I imagine most people suffering have done the same. The smug elites are stuck in their bubble while the state continues to terrorise and torture the majority of the population. It’s vile. Absolutely Vile. Vine is VILE!

420649 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #711 of 2057 🔗

Are you referring to “Till Death”? So did I. Proper bloody satire from back when we were free.

420380 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 14, #712 of 2057 🔗

Mail Online

Published: 23:29 GMT, 16 February 2021 | Updated: 07:24 GMT, 17 February 2021

Companies have begun drafting ‘no jab, no job’ contracts to force staff to get Covid-19 vaccinations – despite lawyers warning they likely to be challenged in court – while ministers push for a certificate scheme to reopen cinemas and clubs.

Bosses in the care home sector as well as large international groups including an energy firm are making ‘risky’ arrangements by insisting staff must be jabbed , top lawyers warned.

The move could mean both prospective and current employees would need to have the coronavirus vaccine to work at an organisation.

Asked about businesses who introduce a scheme, vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi said it was ‘up to them’.

The Government has so far said it has no plans to introduce a passport scheme, with Mr Zahawi previously describing their use as ‘wrong’ and ‘discriminatory’.

It comes as senior ministers have reportedly urged Boris Johnson to consider vaccination certificates in order to get entertainment venues reopened.

Note the change of tone from Zahawi from ‘wrong and discriminatory’ to ‘up to them’.

It’s coming.

420383 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Old Bill, 5, #713 of 2057 🔗

Shifting the blame and liability away from the government towards the private sector.

420521 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #714 of 2057 🔗

That’s how cancel culture works too.
The question is: what do we need governments, politicians and the law still for then?!

420388 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Old Bill, 6, #715 of 2057 🔗

Guilty by their omissions. What he essentially said was it’s OK to discriminate & we’ll let private business take the risk to see how the courts deal with it. I don’t have a good feeling about this.

420639 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #716 of 2057 🔗

Many of these businesses will go bust because of the enormous payouts they will have to make due to the tsunami of discrimination and liability cases against them brought by employees and even customers!

They have been warned.

420690 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #717 of 2057 🔗

Could not a business warn people that they enter at their own risk, in the same way as “may contain peanuts”?

420738 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bart Simpson, #718 of 2057 🔗

I don’t think so, first a court would have to find in favour of an employee, be warned the judiciary are corrupt. If the courts think Covid-19, justified lockdown, then I don’t see them caring about jabs for jobs.

In any case maybe that’s part of the plan to destroy small business. It’s astonishing how many people despite all that’s happened still have faith in the system.

420381 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #719 of 2057 🔗

20% of the UK population now tests positive for antibodies in the ONS survey, rising to 40% among the over 80s, reports the Times

So why are they still asserting the NHS will be under “pressure” for another six weeks? How low is the bar set, lockdown until zero patients?

I’ve decided to be a zero covid zealot too, zero testing, zero lockdown, zero vaccines, zero masks, zero fear! I’m sceptical about zero social distancing I have to admit i do like it.

420393 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #720 of 2057 🔗

Whereas the rest of us just can’t WAIT to be allowed to get back to rushing up to a complete stranger, coughing in their face from a distance of 12 inches, then kissing them deeply and passionately. You know, the way we used to before we weren’t allowed cos of soshul-distunsin roolz.

420475 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Banjones, #721 of 2057 🔗

Each to their own, what ever floats your boat, i’ll welcome you by offering a knuckle sandwich.

420408 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #722 of 2057 🔗

I question why they haven’t bothered with antibody testing until the end of January?

420461 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #723 of 2057 🔗

Exactly. They actively abandoned it. Not just here, in the US too

420490 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #724 of 2057 🔗

Look up Dr David Martin. He runs some kind of business regards patents, right at the beginning of the pandemic he noticed a patent for a Covid-19 test registered back in 2015 by CDC, i forget all the detail, but its worth looking up, still available on utube i think.

420463 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #725 of 2057 🔗

There are many things that could have been done. If they could get the ”vaccines” ready so quickly, then why hasn’t a better testing method been developed? One that is cheaper and quicker. Or does the PCR fit the bill in that it’s infinitely variable and can used to massage the figures and it brings in a lot of money for certain people? And, of course, it’s a nasty, undignified little procedure and it’s a good idea to keep the peasants in thrall.

Theraputics and prophylactics could have been properly developed too – HCQ, Ivermectin, etc. Ah – I forget… ”cheap” and ”effective” – words that the powerful Big Pharma don’t like one bit.

420514 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Banjones, #726 of 2057 🔗

Amen.

420624 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Banjones, 3, #727 of 2057 🔗

PCR definitely fits the bill…

420387 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 27, #728 of 2057 🔗

It is very obvious now that this lockdown, and all associated restrictions is being used to hold us ransom while they roll out digital IDs. We will be blackmailed into accepting digital IDs in order to get access to any goods and services. This is utterly sick and twisted. It’s demonic. This must be stopped! Nothing to do with pro/anti lockdowns or pro/anti vaccines… this is an attack on human rights and bodily autonomy. Horrific! I’m so scared.

420473 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #729 of 2057 🔗

We need someone knowledgeable and powerful on our side to speak about the Nuremburg Code, and really push it, and any other laws that ought to prevent this happening. For crying out loud, there are enough lawyers in Parliament – they can’t ALL be bent, can they?

420573 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 1, #730 of 2057 🔗

Nuremburg is just a collection of letters

420623 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #731 of 2057 🔗

Nuremberg was a cover-up to hide the guilt of the part the accusers played.

NO!

420389 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #732 of 2057 🔗

More bloody clueless people: “we’ve never seen the town so quiet” I mean, ffs. They got treated to a kh rant …

420419 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #733 of 2057 🔗

The lack of self-awareness is staggering.

420431 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 3, #734 of 2057 🔗

Good grief. Well kudos once more to you, keep fighting the good fight!

420392 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 8, #735 of 2057 🔗

This just landed in my inbox….

Hmmmmm…

“For the first time ever you can Boost your Experian Credit Score for free, as part of your Free Experian account, with the new Experian Boost.

Connecting to Boost is easy, all you need is your online banking details, and just connect your current account by following the link below.

Then we’ll be able to scan your accounts and look to reward you for Boost-worthy things – like certain regular payments to subscription services such as Spotify and Netflix. As well as for any payments into savings, and even for paying your council tax bill on time

Your score won’t ever go down as a result of connecting to Boost.
Experian Boost has landed – don’t miss out!”

[Emphasis mine]

420402 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Katabasis, 7, #736 of 2057 🔗

Chilling.

I found those ads for one of the credit reference agencies creepy, when they referred to “your data self”. No, Experian, I have one ‘self’ and that’s the physical one.

420417 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Katabasis, 4, #737 of 2057 🔗

That is very creepy – why would netflix boost my credit score? Surely a regular subscription to the UK Column might be a better thing? Oh what do you mean you put my (social) credit score down for that…

420561 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 1, #738 of 2057 🔗

It means you aren’t Captain Pugwashing their worthless products
Which I have done since 1999

420397 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #739 of 2057 🔗

excessive caution is now ruling Government policy”

Still picking up bits from today’s edition.

It’s not ‘excessive caution’ – at best, it’s blind paranoid panic that requires the removal of the mentally ill from control.

A generous interpretation is that it’s just statistical illiteracy – that requires the same for the simply dim.

At worst, it’s cynical manipulation by those of a fascist bent.

420426 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 5, #740 of 2057 🔗

Three weeks before Boris Johnson announced lockdown one the government had signed a contract with a US corporation for a lockdown advertising campaign.

420681 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #741 of 2057 🔗

Yes, and there are people on here who still think that Johnson panicked into declaring a lock-down because he ‘got Covid’. If you examine the history this is just magical thinking. It’s possible that he may originally have preferred to ‘do a Sweden’ but he got taken aside and given his orders long before 23 March 2020. He was taken to hospital in early April. MW

420452 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RickH, 2, #742 of 2057 🔗

Not – only delay to implement health passports

420501 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 2, #743 of 2057 🔗

At worst, it’s cynical manipulation by those of a fascist bent.”

Ding. Ding. Ding.

420609 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #744 of 2057 🔗

You do seem “OBSESSED ” with fascism!

420650 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #745 of 2057 🔗

What a stupid comment.

I’m just telling it as it is – using a short hand for a totalitarianism that has remarkable parallels with 1930s Germany.

420663 ▶▶▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to RickH, 1, #746 of 2057 🔗

Or more so 1930s Italy. Mussolini would feel right at home in 21st century UK.

420708 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #747 of 2057 🔗

OK trigger, calm down.

420657 ▶▶ Brian Bond, replying to RickH, #748 of 2057 🔗

Whether deliberate or not our government’s whole approach over the past 12 months is textbook Fascism.

420411 jos, replying to jos, 9, #749 of 2057 🔗

In the news, surprised to hear that human rights groups are questioning the whereabouts of a Dubai princess but asking nothing about the children about to be infected with covid to test one of the vaccines on them. All in the name of Science (of course informed consent is not possible with a 6 year old and what happened to the animal trials which had a number of adverse events aka death but were well and truly buried?)

420574 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to jos, 2, #750 of 2057 🔗

Was there any comment from the Minister for Children, Dr Barnado’s , NSPCC, The Children’s Society . How does the BBC which wrings our heartstrings evey year with Children in Need view this invasive and potentially life cripping procedure on Children NOT in Need

420416 isobar, replying to isobar, 4, #751 of 2057 🔗

Main headline on Mailonline is now this (as with their previous main story on the ‘Lockdown Roadmap’, readers comments overwhelmingly critical).

‘Fury over Boris Johnson’s ‘plan for daily cases to drop below 1,000 and wait until JULY before ending lockdown and fully reopening pubs, restaurants and holidays abroad’ as hospital bosses demand all over-50s must have BOTH jabs to ease curbs’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9269163/Hospital-bosses-call-lockdown-SUMMER-cases-need-drop-tenfold.html

420447 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 5, #752 of 2057 🔗

Ask all the lockdown / ‘vaccine’ supporters what is going on now?

420504 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to isobar, 4, #753 of 2057 🔗

When I read the original form of that article there were over 2K comments the vast majority sceptical. They have now removed those as the comments are now around 250 with the top comment still sceptical but permeated probably by the 77th holding the rearguard.

The overnight comments were unmoderated with some very interesting links to sites now sadly ‘lost’.

420616 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #754 of 2057 🔗

Thanks good to know

420422 Uschi, replying to Uschi, 13, #755 of 2057 🔗

I am – to say it mildly – dismayed about the apparent ignorance (= ignoring available facts/knowledge) about these vaccines. You do not have to be an “anti-vaxxer” to question safety. Quite the contrary, questioning the safety is an obligation. But not even “Lockdown Sceptics” are questioning it and that is seriously worrying. Below I copy an automated translation of a piece of news from 2020NEWS (Dr Fuellmich and team). Why do hardly any people read the inserts of drugs and vaccines. This information from BioNTech below is even available on government websites; only that government does not follow its own advice and makes sure that we don’t really know about it. This whole thing is not about a virus! Wake up, people.

In Germany it is currently “preferred” to vaccinate senior citizens in homes. Many of these people have underlying diseases. As 2020News has learned from insiders , vaccination information in the homes is often inadequate , and a proper anamnesis with regard to (chronic) pre-existing illnesses as well as with regard to acute illnesses cannot be assumed.
On February 10, 2021, Ms. S. asked BioNTech about the vaccination tolerance of people with mast cells. Mast cells are the body’s own cells that help fight off pathogens. They also play a role in allergic reactions. If they are in excess, they can contribute to allergic (shock) reactions when activated, for example by vaccination.
On February 12, 2021, the company replied that there were no tolerance studies available for mast cell patients.
BioNTech also announces : “In addition, older people with the following chronic pre-existing illnesses, which are considered risk factors for COVID-19 disease in people of a certain age, have not yet been admitted to the studies: people with high blood pressure, diabetes, chronic lung disease, Asthma, chronic liver disease and chronic kidney disease (GFR <60 mL / min / 1.73 m2). For this reason, it is currently unclear whether older people with the aforementioned chronic pre-existing diseases should be vaccinated. A summary of possible exclusion criteria and precautionary measures will be available when the study data have been evaluated. “
BioNTech continues: “Exclusion criteria were defined for the approval study of BNT162b, which can be viewed online (e.g. at clinicaltrials.gov). Patients with a known clinical history of severe adverse reactions to a vaccine or an allergy to any component of that vaccine are excluded from the study, as are patients receiving immunosuppressants for another disease (e.g. cancer or autoimmune diseases) or taking corticosteroids , or have a clinically relevant history of bleeding disorders that prevent intramuscular vaccination. If one of these criteria applies, vaccination at the current time is not recommended. Allergies are relevant when they are against the vaccine itself and individual components.
Despite the uncertainties presented by the manufacturer itself, the federal government campaigns to advertise vaccination for everyone , advise politicians and scientists, and urge clinicians and school principals to vaccinate everyone. Exclusion criteria like those named by BioNTech do not play a role in the entire public discussion. No official word of “Ask your doctor or pharmacist about risks and side effects”, as is otherwise required for every cough drop.

420444 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Uschi, 3, #756 of 2057 🔗

Yes it is critical that anyone that considers getting a vaccination for taking a drug to do their research (that includes reading the insert) and then make an informed decision before taking it.

Keep in mind that you could be the person that suffers the side effects or die. If you are happy with that then go for it.

420466 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 5, #757 of 2057 🔗

Agreed in principle, but then there is a much wider argument. Let’s suppose that there are a series of safe and effective vaccines for flu and Covid. Do people really think the world of pathogens is going to give up trying to make a home in the knackered lungs of old and sick people? Of course not. What we are doing is creating the perfect conditions for the rise of yet another novel pathogen, but possibly one that is hugely more dangerous to otherwise healthy people.

420454 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Uschi, 1, #758 of 2057 🔗

Who needs testing anyway?

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420468 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to captainbeefheart, #759 of 2057 🔗

You don’t have to add text because you can’t close the comment box, just refresh the page.

420472 ▶▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #760 of 2057 🔗

I’d already posted it, image originally didn’t work, so edited…

420633 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Uschi, 1, #761 of 2057 🔗

I have at times been concerned that contributors here have taken up the call that vaccination is a good idea for the ‘vulnerable’.

As one of them, I have avoided it precisely for the reasons outlined in this post.

420807 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Uschi, 1, #762 of 2057 🔗

I looked at the website of an epilepsy charity yesterday as my friends daughter is affected. My friend is a care worker and had her first jab with basically no side effects.
I am very concerned she will encourage her (adult) daughter to have the vaccine.
The charities website had lots of information, just it was government provided, and said it was perfectly save.
If I had epilepsy I would not touch this with a barge pole after seeing healthy people and their adverse reactions.

420428 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 9, #763 of 2057 🔗

I got a very swift response from Morrisons, having emailed their CEO last night.

I wrote:

Dear Mr Potts,

I’ve just seen a video of a member of the public being harrassed in one of your stores for not being willing to wear a yellow sticker to “show to other members of the public that” he “is expempt from wearing a mask”. Please look up the law, he does NOT have to explain his exemption, he does not have to justify it, nor wear a lanyard, nor carry any form of proof of his exemption. All this is freely available on the government’s website. The choice of a yellow sticker is also DEEPLY offensive – I’m sure you were taught in school about the Jews in Nazi Germany who were made to wear a yellow star on their coats. Morrisons must remain a law-abiding and welcoming place for EVERYONE – mask or no mask, and I’ll add vaccine or no vaccine. Discrimination must not rear its ugly head in our supermarkets.

Please ensure all staff are aware of the law – not what people are making up, but the government’s own guidelines which state that no one should have to carry proof of exemption.

Thank you for you time.

Kind regards”

Their response:

“Dear

Thank you for contacting David.

We continue to follow Government guidelines to keep Customers and Colleagues safe.. Customers can inform our store colleagues when entering the store that they are medically exempt. To help with shopping in store, we offer a Sunflower Lanyard to those who would like to take one on entry so that colleagues inside the store are aware the customer is medically exempt.

Kind regards

Sheila Deegan
On behalf of David Potts”

If any of you would like to add your voice on this issue, you can contact the CEO at david.potts-ceo@morrisonsplc.co.uk

420435 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to this is my username, 7, #764 of 2057 🔗

Thanks for contacting them. However they failed to address the fact that a customers was harassed by their staff.

420522 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Victoria, #765 of 2057 🔗

Yes – Morrisons appear not to care.

420440 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to this is my username, 7, #766 of 2057 🔗

They claim they are following government guidelines, but use the term “medically exempt” and assert that they “offer a Sunflower Lanyard” to the “medically exempt” – I find the idea that they have read the government’s guidance incredible.

420458 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #767 of 2057 🔗

Indeed. People are under no such obligation and can simply self-certify by saying “I’m exempt” and that should be the end of it.

420509 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Katabasis, 3, #768 of 2057 🔗

This brings me onto the reply just received from Aldi about my unpleasant harassment in a store last Friday.

First, I find it incredible that I asked for a reply from executive or legal level and yet they think the staff at customer.service@aldi.co.uk , or whatever the address is, can cope with it. Here goes. I’ll be taking it further.

I think I’ll be relying on my contemporaneous notes, which went straight into my 1st. e-mail last Saturday, as evidence of what happened. Their response makes crystal clear that they haven’t contacted the store manager and seem to have no plans to do so. I doubt that a store manager remembers much of what went on four working days ago.

The phrase ‘to request mandatory face mask wearing’ is a bizarre choice of words. So is ‘guidance on the mandatory wearing of face masks’.

START

Our policy in relation to the wearing of face masks (by both customers and staff) in store, is in line with current Government guidance on the mandatory wearing of face masks in supermarkets. We recognise that, according to the current scientific advice, wearing a face mask helps reduce the spread of coronavirus and is intended to protect shoppers and store staff alike. As we have throughout the pandemic, we are acting responsibly and at pace to support our staff and customers at this critical time, especially now when faced with the latest highly transmissible variant of the virus and national lockdown measures.

We are required to take reasonable steps to achieve compliance with the law in all of our stores and our policy is to request mandatory face mask wearing for all those who are not medically exempt, in line with the Government guidance. We are both mindful and respectful that exempt customers do not need to show an exemption card if asked and we do not refuse access to our stores if that is the case. We do not insist on exempt customers carrying such a card or badge to enter our stores as we recognise that this is a matter of personal choice. However many customers feel more comfortable carrying an exemption card or badge and the Government has provided exemption card templates that can be downloaded free of charge. The carrying of such a card greatly assists enforcement of the current public health legislation and can avoid embarrassment or potential misunderstanding. It also helps to avoid conflict with other customers who may be concerned at what appears to be a breach of the law and a disregard for public health which leads to a significant amount of complaints in our stores.

​I hope you will agree that store staff are very much front line workers placed in a vulnerable position due to their high level of interactions with the general public. As such, whilst we request face mask wearing, we do not expect or insist on this for our customers who are not able to do so for medical reasons.

Please be advised your comments have been logged and fed back to the Store Management team for all staff in store to be reminded of the guidelines.
I trust that this draws the matter to a close and I do hope you will feel able to continue to shop with us in the future.

END

420608 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to John001, 1, #769 of 2057 🔗

Ha ha same claptrap of medical masks.
Vote with your feet

420679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Victoria, 1, #770 of 2057 🔗

I think I’ll vote with my brain and file a legal claim!

First, I have to phone their 0800 number to get a working e-mail address for the chief executive’s department, then send an e-mail or even letter setting out the Equality Act, Human Rights Act and it might have been harassment. She repeated the demand ‘do you have a mask?’ several times … through her mask, which was so thick that her voice was muffled.

420518 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Hayes, #771 of 2057 🔗

I agree – seems like a total fob off.

420615 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Steve Hayes, #772 of 2057 🔗

I had a similar reply from Morrison’s when I was stopped by the Covid police on entering the store. I was wearing a badge with Exemption written in large letters but the woman in question put on her glasses to read it.
My e-Mail pointed out the bit about medical exemption too.
The work experience kid who replied to me had simply copied and pasted his response. I was infuriated by his final sentence, “Be kind and stay safe”!

420523 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 2, #773 of 2057 🔗

I’m starting to warm to the yellow star idea tbh
It makes a bold statement and offends
win-win

420564 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #774 of 2057 🔗

And the survivors of the Holocaust turned the star into a badge that commands respect and fear from all its neighbours . Their descendants can defend themselves with nuclear weapons whilst their erstwhile oppressor , Germany , has bcome Putin’s lapdog.

420545 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to this is my username, 4, #775 of 2057 🔗

While not wearing a muzzle but with an exemption badge, I’ve had exemplary service at my local small Tesco: three or four times while waiting in the checkout queue I’ve been ushered to another checkout just opened up.
The first time it happened I thought, how good that these supervisors are on the ball, now I think it’s to get me out of the store as soon as possible. Can’t have an unmasked face around can we?

420596 ▶▶ mj, replying to this is my username, 1, #776 of 2057 🔗

sent an email … “medically” exempt is a red herring .they will ignore it of course and just send me the standard reply.. I had the same conversations with Aldi – who actually have been very good at my store about not wearing a mask . (one occasion of “mask? ” “except!” “ok”) but who would also send emails similar to morrisons. It is as if they have all had instructions ……..

420926 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to this is my username, #777 of 2057 🔗

I had exactly the same reply. Didn’t address the subject of my email – the forced wearing of yellow stickers – at all.

420429 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 11, #778 of 2057 🔗

Like everyone else, HART is committed to saving lives and boosting health, while protecting the NHS. We’re all on the same side here.

I beg to differ Dr John Lee. If you can’t see that every government action to date has destroyed lives and health (irrespective of whether this has been done by accident or design), I really can’t help you.

420434 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 2, #779 of 2057 🔗

He probably can but doesn’t want to say so

420442 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 7, #780 of 2057 🔗

Which is one of the reasons we are in such deep shit. So few in the public arena have the guts to speak out. Not much at stake is there. Apart from everything.

420482 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 1, #781 of 2057 🔗

Its the the Gravy Train, they are loathed to get off it.

420621 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 1, #782 of 2057 🔗

Sorry, Richard, but you’re in cloud cuckoo land if you think that John’s measured approach is less effective than some of the repetitious, incontinent and resentful virtue-signalling that appears here at times. An echo chamber isn’t opposition.

420683 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, 1, #783 of 2057 🔗

totally agreed

420446 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 29, #784 of 2057 🔗

I think Toby’s issue with mass vaccination is really the Islington Dining Table Syndrome.

It was long ago decided by the likes of Dara O Briain, Stephen Fry and the BBC-Guardian community at large that vaccine sceptism or opposition is a mark of the uneducated and the religious and in particular – worst of all – uneducated and religious Americans. At the Islington Dining Table to express vaccine scepticism is virtually to confess you are a low status individual – poorly educated and prone to superstition. Of course none of those around the table will know much or indeed anything about vaccine interference, natural immunity, mRNA delivery, toxic adjuvants, or the history of public health. So their scorn is born of ignorance.

There’s virtue signalling and there’s status signalling.

420456 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to OKUK, 9, #785 of 2057 🔗

They felt the same about Brexiteers. But hey do we care what they think?

420460 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 6, #786 of 2057 🔗

Status and virtue are irrelevant in a society that has effectively ceased to exist.

420507 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Richard O, 1, #787 of 2057 🔗

It’s all about chosing the right group to belong to. Identity politics.

420488 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to OKUK, 4, #788 of 2057 🔗

If you were (as I suspect many on this site were) generally regarded by family, friends and colleagues as sane and sensible, but ‘come out’ as someone who has declined the vaccine, it debunks the ‘Islington syndrome’. They can’t just ignore the person you were.
Of course, if you were always seen as a crazy loon, it won’t help!

420506 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #789 of 2057 🔗

They can’t just ignore the person you were.” Some of my ex-friends seem to find this easy.

420500 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to OKUK, 4, #790 of 2057 🔗

Fingers crossed a large chunk of the luvvies will croak —-with vaccine
Most of them must be riddled with aids anyway

420453 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 20, #791 of 2057 🔗

Thanks to a kind soul on here, I’ve been able to email Tim Davie at the BBC

“Dear Mr Davie,

I saw on youtube that the BBC produced a Panorama programme recently which sought to ensure the public don’t read or watch anything which questions the wide-spread use of vaccines. I understand that at the end, the BBC managed to persuade PayPal to take down the account of the organisation which had produced the material the participants had viewed, and which had caused them to question the mainstream narrative.

I would like to put it to you that the BBC should check its privilege. You are funded by the taxpayer on pain of imprisonment. You have public money to throw at any viewpoint you wish to promote, however spurious its basis. Yet you seek to remove the funding of a group of qualified medical experts who seek to counter the maintream viewpoint. Do they have no right to do so? Of course they do in a civilised society!

I put it to you that were the BBC funded by voluntary donations, it would cease to have any influence in modern Britain and a fair and level playing field might be found for a range of views. I would suggest the BBC move to this model in order to show its commitment to impartiality and diversity of opinion.

Yours sincerely

– who doesn’t even own a TV!”

If you wish to email him too, you can at tim.davie@bbc.co.uk

420459 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to this is my username, -1, #792 of 2057 🔗

Writing these things are of course good for moral, until you realise he never reads it, he employs some stooge to reply from a corporate script! Sorry to burst your bubble.

420495 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #793 of 2057 🔗

I complained to the CEO of Mitie a few years ago. She called me on my mobile phone immediately and had someone down the line call me again. Don’t think these things are pointless, they CAN make a difference.

420599 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to this is my username, -1, #794 of 2057 🔗

What’s Mitie? (Rhetorical… )

I wrote to CEO of BT once, his “PA” replied, it was a total waste of time!
I conversed with Ofcom Deputy CEO (in person) over a period of 6 months, it was a complete waste of time!

You missed the key point in my comment, corporate script , There’s a reason they provide these email addresses but make them difficult to find!

420610 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Anti_socialist, #795 of 2057 🔗

Mitie had the contract for the detention centres at Heathrow.

420614 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Anti_socialist, #796 of 2057 🔗

It’s one of these Crapita/G4S-type companies that trawl for outsourcing contracts, that sort of stuff.

420617 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #797 of 2057 🔗

And I will say it is never a waste of time. Always write if you feel you have a point to make. Amnesty International based their whole charity on the basis of people writing letters. They work.

420702 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to this is my username, -3, #798 of 2057 🔗

You knew what rhetorical meant right?

Tell me, do you feel a sense of accomplishment after a long search for contact details of someone “important” ?

What works for Amnesty International is large lawyer fees!

It’s psychology my friend you’re being played with a carrot on a string!

420585 ▶▶ RickH, replying to this is my username, #799 of 2057 🔗

He’s a Tory placeman – don’t expect any considered or honest response.

420600 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to RickH, 3, #800 of 2057 🔗

I wrote to make my point – the BBC should check their privilege.

420462 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #801 of 2057 🔗

That lockdown personality quiz is bullshit. Spent ages for it to finally tell me I am a sceptic. However in the description of yourself at the end (why the fuck do I need it to tell me who I am?), It tells me things like “you mostly comply with the rules” even though I answered every compliance question as absolutely not complying.

I really wouldn’t bother with it, waste of time.

420571 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #802 of 2057 🔗

It was clearly designed by pop psychologists who either take for granted lockdowns etc or are in favour of the measures.

420715 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to TheBluePill, #803 of 2057 🔗

That’s interesting. It concluded that I’m a rebel although I was expecting to be skeptic. I kind of go half and half with the rules in the interest of keeping the peace but absolutely not going beyond my own red line.

420467 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #804 of 2057 🔗

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg takes ‘anti-vac’ stance in violating his own platform’s new policy

Zuckerberg:

We just don’t know the long-term side effects of basically modifying people’s DNA and RNA

Video obtained from facebook insider

Dolan:

He is saying what we all should be thinking.

His massively influential platforms though ban anyone who expresses these thoughts.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1361973818747727873

420478 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 4, #805 of 2057 🔗

Zuckerborg is an android
I’m convinced

420483 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #806 of 2057 🔗

There’s something very, very wrong with him.

420481 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, 4, #807 of 2057 🔗

Must be a glitch in the matrix. It can happen from time to time.

420474 Ross Hendry, replying to Ross Hendry, 14, #808 of 2057 🔗

To state the bleedin’ obvious there’s something very fishy going on here. The PCR test is fraudulent and law suits are being filed worldwide for the damage that the consequent lockdowns have caused (eerily unreported in our press). Our government can’t be unaware of this but they adamantly continue to pursue the ridiculous goal of bringing down “cases”.

I suspect that, as usual, Big Pharma are behind this i.e. there must be no let up in restrictions until we’ve all been coaxed and jabbed with their filthy concoction and while court cases are pretty much still pending (especially in the U.K.) They know that after that it’s all over for them, so the name of the game is to maintain gloom in case anyone thinks the jab is not necessary, heave forfend. Could it be that the take up the vaccine is way below expectation/desire?

420489 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ross Hendry, 9, #809 of 2057 🔗

I’m afraid Ross, that the rabbit hole goes much deeper than that. It isn’t about the virus and big pharma are not in charge. This is probably an attempt at inflicting serfdom/culling on a western population whose lifestyle has got far too luxurious and unsustainable for the elites to tolerate. The resources of the world need conserving to ensure the elites’ quality of life.

420497 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #810 of 2057 🔗

“B ig pharma are not in charge”. That’ll come as a shock to Witty and Vallance 🙂

420503 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #811 of 2057 🔗

This doesn’t cut it.
The elite needs serfs and their businesses need (ever more) customers.
The Why? simply can’t be answered plausibly, yet.
Only that that they simply can’t act in good faith and with good intentions anymore.

420536 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to JayBee, 2, #812 of 2057 🔗

Although I agree that we can’t answer with assuredness yet about the motivations, you are thinking in terms of capitalism. This is a replacement for capitalism. I’ve given up trying to contort to ideas that mean this isn’t pure evil. It is, and we won’t know the full details until it is too late.

420581 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #813 of 2057 🔗

This is a replacement for capitalism”

No it’s not – it’s the logical trajectory of global, unregulated monopoly capitalism.

A key driver is obviously the vast capital of the pharmaceutical industry, with influence reaching the parts that others can’t reach.

420867 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to TheBluePill, #814 of 2057 🔗

Could be true, but then that would mean that the billionnaires and oligarchs are just the useful idiots here, which I would doubt.
And even the civil servants and pensioners must know that their money will eventually dry up when the private sector is exterminated and/or the currency has reset due to hyperinflation.
German civil servants for example were in the poorhouse for more than a generation post WW2.
But then, maybe people are that uninformed and ignorant about history.

421847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to JayBee, #815 of 2057 🔗

The billionaires and oligarchs have already converted their plunder into assets, favourable debts and loyalty. You can see that Gates has even invested in the insurance policy of farmland in case food becomes scarce. Musk has pumped assets into Bitcoin.
It’s hard to imagine hyperinflation, but I think it is probably coming. People were much hardier in historical periods of financial chaos, introducing it now will be a terrifying experiment.

420511 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ross Hendry, 19, #816 of 2057 🔗

There are no words in the English language sufficient to describe the scale of the lies and the crimes against humanity that we have been subjected to in the last year.

It is my hope that one day all will be revealed. Should that glorious day ever come to pass, many people will be driven over the edge into insanity when they realise just how deceived they were. Then it will be our job to help them pick up the pieces and put themselves back together again.

420519 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Richard O, 14, #817 of 2057 🔗

The reaction I’ve had from people when I tell them the entire thing has been for nothing is quite telling. It’s genuine, hysterical, hatred and lashing out.

420534 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Ross Hendry, 2, #818 of 2057 🔗

But have we not already paid up front for 100+millon doses ? And by we I mean we the people.

420562 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to mikewaite, 1, #819 of 2057 🔗

400m doses as I understand it.

420480 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 55, #820 of 2057 🔗

Went for a walk in the park yesterday. Nice to get a bit of air and it was great seeing so many people out and about, kids in the playground and on the skate ramps etc. No swerving on the pathways either.

On my merry way around I saw in front of me two women in hi-vis jackets with the words “Covid Adviser” printed on the back. They were waddling aimlessly along, one of them wheezing with every step. They were both seriously overweight, the wheezy one in particular straddled two separate postcodes. I ostentatiously skirted around them at speed and went to sit down on a bench in front of them, desperately hoping they would offer me some “advice.” Alas, none was forthcoming.

It’s good to know my council tax is keeping these “advisers” in cherry bakewells and stuffed crust pizza, it would be nice to help the big one achieve her apparent ambition of being marked on an Ordnance Survey map.

420496 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #821 of 2057 🔗

They were both seriously overweight, the wheezy one in particular straddled two separate postcodes.

I think they must have been recruited from the same place as our lot!

420544 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #822 of 2057 🔗

Just like recruits for the TSA in America, who in my experience are almost unanimously obese. The state is an employer of bottom feeders that no one else will touch with a bargepole.

420607 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Richard O, 6, #823 of 2057 🔗

Surely it can’t be beyond the wit of man to find a way of employing these useless interfering busybody types where they at the least do no actual harm to society?

420628 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mark, 5, #824 of 2057 🔗

They make the case for UBI.

(Universal Burger Income).

420587 ▶▶ alw, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #825 of 2057 🔗

Brilliant, we are crying with laughter. Will spread far and wide. Thank you for making my day

420627 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to alw, 3, #826 of 2057 🔗

I am genuinely pleased if I’ve managed to cheer you up 🙂

420484 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #827 of 2057 🔗

I’ve been blocked by Dr. Gabriel Scally.

Maybe I annoyed him by sharing this clip in which he encourages people to get vaccinated against swine flu.

I’m sorry, Dr. Scally. I promise not to do it again.

Please don’t annoy him further by retweeting this.

https://youtu.be/Hth2eoHixMQ

https://twitter.com/GrahamNeary/status/1361614042733903872

420493 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Victoria, 3, #828 of 2057 🔗

That hatchet-faced lunatic gets the treatment at the link below.

https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/f/covid-superstars-2—dr-gabriel-scally

(Don’t be put off by the word “superstars”, the site is ferociously anti-lockdown).

420925 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Jo Starlin, #829 of 2057 🔗

It is indeed. Full marks and a gold star.

420499 smithey, replying to smithey, 13, #830 of 2057 🔗

Well, one thing is for sure, Johnson is correct that this lockdown will be the last – he is going to ensure that it is by never letting it end. What the Hell is really going on here?

420512 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to smithey, 6, #831 of 2057 🔗

Earth to Pfeffel -Sack SAGE now you fat fuck!

420603 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #832 of 2057 🔗

Earth to Pfeffel -Sack SAGE now you fat fuck!

Then sack the rest of the vegetables in the cabinet and retire to your study with a glass of whiskey and a revolver.

420547 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to smithey, 9, #833 of 2057 🔗

You cannot have a “green revolution” without destroying every economy you can. So he’s destroying the economy and jobs so that people will be dependent on the state and very easily pushed around. Freedom? Not if they can help it.

420554 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to smithey, 2, #834 of 2057 🔗

Yes, the same thought occurred to me when I read this statement. Technically he is not lying, because he knows that lockdown in one form or another is a permanent feature of our new society.

420558 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to smithey, 5, #835 of 2057 🔗

Its nothing to do with the virus!

420694 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #836 of 2057 🔗

I am afraid that I think you are all correct. Anybody who now still thinks this is about a virus that 99.2% of the population would have survived without any intervention and the vast majority of fatalities incurred would have been in people at the end of or very near the end of their lives anyway needs psychiatric help in my opinion.

420510 mj, 4, #837 of 2057 🔗

update on stepfather and \NHS (posted earlier this morning about the processing and pre admission test cockup.
waiting for the call from admissions about whether they would accept him this morning. None came so phone up. Very nice sister was expecting him and did not realise we were waiting on their advice. Oh yes- bring him asap. we will do a test and if he is clear we will admit ,, if not then we will kick him out. Will take 2 hours. So i am now waiting for a call again .
and as i told them, yes i came yesterday but i have been isolating and no i havent been to a supermarket and yes i am masked at all times
sad to say i wore a mask . got called back for not doing my hands in the gunk by the girl on her phone updating facebook.

420520 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #838 of 2057 🔗

One thing that would destroy the drive for vaccine passports now and into the future is harm being attributed to the covid vaccines

420526 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 6, #839 of 2057 🔗

Not ever going to happen. The government have vaccine harms shut down like a closed book.

420538 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #840 of 2057 🔗

what, all round the world?

420546 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 4, #841 of 2057 🔗

This info won’t properly come out in this country for years. Maybe never but certainly way past the current drive for vaccine passports imho

420776 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Major Panic, #842 of 2057 🔗

Vaccines are harmless according to Norwegian politicians …

420822 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #844 of 2057 🔗

just realised my comment can be interpreted in more that one way – so try again – if, in the future, mass harm is seen/believed to have been caused by the vaccines in the eyes of the masses than the vax passport idea is dead

420524 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #845 of 2057 🔗

”How to avoid a climate medical disaster” by Bill Kill Gates

420850 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Major Panic, 1, #846 of 2057 🔗

I have the same degrees in those two subjects as he does….

420528 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 47, #847 of 2057 🔗

A comment in the DT today;
“So this is what I was told directly by a friend who is a cancer surgeon. The ICUs are not full or remotely at capacity. What happens is that the Trust decides to reserve beds “for covid” and then stop them being used. That’s then reported as the NHS at “full stretch” but it’s a lie. This particular doctor had to literally physically threaten the ICU manager to get them to admit a desperately ill child recovering from surgery. That’s what it’s come to. A potential but non existent covid patient will stop a child being treated for cancer. Did anyone vote for this? Because that is the reality”.

420565 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nickbowes, 6, #848 of 2057 🔗

This is what happens when you make health care corporate & allow paper pushers to run things. I’d imagine half the population would be unemployed if you replaced admin with Ai.

420575 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #849 of 2057 🔗

As long as the AI didn’t provide Ferguson style modelling!

420578 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to nickbowes, 2, #850 of 2057 🔗

Scandalous, but totally unsurprising.

420539 Bella Donna, 6, #851 of 2057 🔗

“46 Nursing Home Residents in Spain Die Within 1 Month of Getting Pfizer COVID Vaccine.”
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/nursing-home-residents-spain-die-pfizer-covid-vaccine/

420540 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 8, #852 of 2057 🔗

I would have thought that at some stage the London chatterati will become bored with not going to restaurants arts galleries and the theatre

420555 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, -1, #853 of 2057 🔗

You think for yourself by examining data. Why do you stop at fatuous generalizations when examining people?

Sorry, Steve – but knee-jerkery is what we’re suffering from with the brainwashing of the Covid narrative.

420651 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #854 of 2057 🔗

What we could do with some reliable data on attitudes to lockdown and coming out of it. I think Recovery have said they’ve done some but not shared the results.

A really well constructed survey of a representative sample would inform a campaign to better educate people.

Just need someone to fund it. I don’t know what proper opinion polling costs but I suppose it’s at least tens of thousands, maybe more

420560 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to steve_w, 4, #855 of 2057 🔗

They are, the capital is humming with secret liasion’s, but their not letting Doris know.

420566 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to cloud6, 1, #856 of 2057 🔗

True

420989 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to steve_w, #857 of 2057 🔗

Lockdowns/ job losses are only for the working class

420542 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #858 of 2057 🔗

So the carrot of kids back to school is looking like lockdown extension everywhere else and twice a week tests for kids, family and teachers.

Getting dark again

420549 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #859 of 2057 🔗

Again?

420658 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #860 of 2057 🔗

Since about 6pm yesterday I was in a good mood. Just the run and playing games with my children.

Now it’s back to depression and anger

420550 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #861 of 2057 🔗

I believe that too. Schools will be reopened, not for the welfare of the kids but to keep the level of testing high.

420559 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to bluemoon, 4, #862 of 2057 🔗

You echo my suspicions 100%.

420845 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to bluemoon, #863 of 2057 🔗

and no doubt to facilitate the lethal injections of children

420552 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #864 of 2057 🔗

Here in Scotland it is 5 and 6 year olds returning this Monday. So, just the smallest gesture imaginable. Basically, lockdown forever

420632 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #865 of 2057 🔗

Just refuse permission to get kids tested.

Heard the reason for the short notice school closures in Jan was due to parents and head teachers refusing to test children.

Also they suddenly ramped up advertising that asymptomatic people can infect others – 1 in 3 people are asymptomatic. Such nonsense

420551 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 6, #866 of 2057 🔗

Reading the comments in the DM about the plunge in deaths/cases in India is especially discouraging. People are so ignorant to matters in India, they still think people are dropping dead from covid and not being counted. I can assure everybody that is certainly not sace both in the cities and rural area’s. This is due to HCQ/Ivermectin and Herd immunity. I bet there’s feck all Covid left in Europe but the powers at be will keep telling us otherwise.

420611 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Andrew K, 1, #867 of 2057 🔗

The government found that more than half the population of New Delhi tested positive for antibodies to the virus. This of course means the vast majority of the population of New Delhi have immunity.

420556 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #868 of 2057 🔗

Well that was a pretty dumb lockdown personality questionnaire. Put me down as a sceptic (true) but then told me I follow most of the lockdown rules – which I’d already said I don’t! Doh!!

420591 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #869 of 2057 🔗

Same here

420769 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #870 of 2057 🔗

As I said earlier today, stuff that questionnaire BS!

420568 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 30, #871 of 2057 🔗

I am not anti-vaccines and I don’t want to get into the niceties of whether the covid vaccines are vaccines or whether they work or whatever. I just want to make a point from a liberty and lockdown perspective.

People would be freer now if the vaccines had not been developed. Public discourse would be less polarised and less angry if the vaccines had not been developed. Prospects for the future would be far less bleak if the vaccines had not been developed.

Neither the covid virus nor the vaccines are to blame for the current situation. The state and the oligarchs (I got into trouble yesterday for calling them “the elite”) have used covid and the vaccines to enforce their agendas. For what was already a largely discredited state, the agenda is to flex muscle and reassert power. For the oligarchs, it is of course to make money and entrench privilege.

It’s no longer necessary to be an anti-vaxxer to be a radical opponent of the state’s vaccine policy. That policy is to use vaccines to PERPETUATE lockdown, not to bring it to an end.

420652 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #872 of 2057 🔗

100% spot on and we should ALL absolutely oppose the state vaccine policy. Sadly there seem to be a lot of very nasty, tyranny-loving individuals that want to impose it.

420654 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #873 of 2057 🔗

“Save the vaccine” when I heard that term I had to admit no amount of cases falling or herd immunity would force them to give up lockdowns

420846 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #874 of 2057 🔗

True. But it all started with the tests.
Then the switch from ‘save the NHS’ to ‘R under 1’ which people didn’t oppose.
Then masks etc…
Countries who don’t test have no Covid, see Tanzania.
Even Prof. Streeck in Germany said so.
Countries who use just 23ct also have zero Covid- OZ/NZ.

But THEY KNOW all that!

421009 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #875 of 2057 🔗

I’m not an anti-vax either. But I’m a hell of a lot more sceptical of vaccines than I used to be, that’s for sure.

420569 isobar, replying to isobar, 8, #876 of 2057 🔗

Latest attempt by the anti-alcohol movement to hijack coronavirus to further advance their own agenda.

‘Pubs might need curfews and alcohol bans to stop Covid spreading, experts warn’

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pubs-might-need-curfews-alcohol-23506874

There be danger in them thar pub urinals and closets

420584 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to isobar, 4, #877 of 2057 🔗

These people are fanatics.

420613 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #878 of 2057 🔗

And funded by the Scottish Government

420653 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to isobar, 3, #879 of 2057 🔗

I sense the dead hand of Devi.

420594 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 8, #880 of 2057 🔗

There won’t be any pubs left within a few months, so this is basically irrelevant, and the health lobby knows it.

In this area we need to start contacting manufacturers of alcohol to warn them about the need to take collective action when outright prohibition is proposed.

420601 ▶▶ leggy, replying to nickbowes, 4, #882 of 2057 🔗

Comments see right through it.

420604 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to leggy, 3, #883 of 2057 🔗

A good sign

420598 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #884 of 2057 🔗

This is from June 2019:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/regulation-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution

However, it’s easy to read between these lines in the light of what’s happening right now.

The Industrial Strategy Grand Challenges:
We will put the UK at the forefront of the artificial intelligence and data revolution.
We will maximise the advantages for UK industry of the shift to clean growth.
We will become a world leader in shaping the future of mobility.
We will harness the power of innovation to help meet the needs of an ageing society.

Do feel free to translate their challenge statements…….

420622 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #885 of 2057 🔗

We will put the UK at the forefront of transhumanism.
We will destroy the economy to facilitate Zero Carbon.
We will close our borders in perpetuity.
We will euthanise our elderly population.

420830 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richard O, 2, #886 of 2057 🔗

god,I wish I could get out of this country. I wish I could persuade my children to come with me, perhaps I would go if I could persuade even one of them. anybody who can, should go – I think for whatever reason this country is in the front line of what is happening and currently one of the unsafest places on the planet

420873 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to JaneHarry, #887 of 2057 🔗

But where would you go? There is nowhere English speaking that is not similarly affected by covid hysteria. Then you have to earn a living . Could you do that in Russia, say? Countries that we have traditionally moved to , France , Spain for example are in some ways even worse than here.

420647 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #888 of 2057 🔗

“We will put the UK at the forefront of the artificial intelligence and data revolution.”
=We will even know when you go for a shit, how long you take and how much you pass.

“We will maximise the advantages for UK industry of the shift to clean growth.”
=We will decimate all industry.

“We will become a world leader in shaping the future of mobility.”
= If you don’t live in a city mobility will be walking.

” We will harness the power of innovation to help meet the needs of an ageing society.”
= KILL KILL KILL!

420602 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 16, #889 of 2057 🔗

I was just thinking (steady) about how people react so very strongly to my – negativity? – I guess, about the current situation. My – this isn’t ending any time soon, look there go those goalposts again, methinks they are enjoying the power far far too much, can you not see the tyranny etc etc. People don’t like this pointed out to them. They are invested too deeply in the fairytale that everything was worthwhile, lives were saved and it’s all over when they get their vaccine. They are happy and even grateful. Just go and read a nice fluffy book, or watch Netflix, or some sport – kindly suggestions I have had lately. They think I’m the nut job basically. Even people I know who were slightly sceptical before, who at least used to tolerate my ranting, have fallen to the vaccine lie. That it’s all over now. And maybe it isn’t a lie, unlike SAGE I don’t have a crystal ball, but my underlying glass half empty pessimistic realist nature keeps me in this torture.

However, I’ve thought a lot about vaccine passports and I don’t think they’ll be a thing. Too many countries that are more vaccine hesitant than the obedient Brits, or poorer with no access to vaccines. Too many people with medical conditions you will discriminate against, race issues, too much leeway for criminality/forgery, too many updates needed to the vaccine re variants. The whole thing is utterly unworkable on a global scale. They’re just talking it up a storm to get those waverers pushed towards vaccination. Also when people are looking left, they’re not looking right. I’m more interested in what they are trying to hide, whilst all this handwringing is going on about vaccine passports. I suspect they don’t want people to notice too much how the numbers are plummeting. They definitely don’t want people to notice the correlation between jabs and deaths in the elderly, or the ongoing scandal of care home and hospital infections. Is it only the sceptics that share and discuss these things? Are the masses totally insulated from it? I don’t know. Still, schools are opening soon, that’ll bolster those numbers back up again. We can get back to blaming my kids for killing 100 year olds who’ve been locked in care homes for a year…

420625 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #890 of 2057 🔗

Carry on with those negative comments – especially if they had the vaccine and is still locked up

420701 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Victoria, 2, #891 of 2057 🔗

Oh don’t worry, I’m on a roll.

420634 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fear is Finite, 14, #892 of 2057 🔗

Anyone who believes anything the government and MSM have told them at face value will have to face the truth that they have been lied to on a monumental scale. The longer they put this off, the more excruciatingly painful will that moment be for them. Their problem, not mine, and as for what they think of the likes of us for telling them, I don’t give a flying fuck.

420692 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Richard O, 9, #893 of 2057 🔗

My MIL and her partner refused to come in for Xmas dinner, they sat in the doorway for an hour or 2 though, as though that made then safer. They were holding out now the vaccine was here, shame to ruin it now etc etc. We’ll do Easter instead. Mr FIF was quite blunt with them, that our chance to get together was NOW, that this thing would be going on for months and frankly they might not have that long who knows? on this planet. And he’s not even as sceptical as me. All through the first LD my MIL used to come round and drink tea with me indoors etc and go to the supermarket and carry on as relatively normal. Something changed for the worse when the vaccine came along, I simply don’t understand it, people started hiding away even more. And yes they’ll have to face it one day, and it will be unpalatable.

420744 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Richard O, 7, #894 of 2057 🔗

Hear hear. The story about the Vietnam PoW survivors is happening in my work life. I am the one who is chipper on our weekly calls as everything I said would happen/not happen is materialising whereas the optimists (everyone else) are becoming more and more dejected as freedom is moved further and further away.

420829 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ewan Duffy, #895 of 2057 🔗

The Stockdale paradox.
You’ll make it.
They won’t.

420661 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Fear is Finite, 9, #896 of 2057 🔗

Same here – cannot believe how many people keep saying ‘oh it’s just the final push, it will all be back to normal soon’. Then they get cross when you point out that they’ve been saying that for nearly a year.

I so hope you are right about the vaccine passports – I don’t think I could bear to live under such an oppressive, tyrannical regime that would result..

420699 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #897 of 2057 🔗

The nonsense of people still thinking we’re in an emergency, and emergency measures are justified. Emergencies don’t last a whole friggin year 🙄 .

420760 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #898 of 2057 🔗

It’s been a while since the numskulls started shouting negative when one try to be realistic …

420761 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to norwegian, 2, #899 of 2057 🔗

Forgot to say: Keep it up!

420605 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 9, #900 of 2057 🔗

This may have been commented on already but I don’t have enough time to trawl through all the comments, as I have to get out to go to the vets (one of the few remaining legitimate reasons for leaving the house).

But has the Professor John Lee we know and love been kidnapped and replaced with a government ‘bot? I ask after having read ‘his’ article in the Daily Mail today which is referred to ATL today. Was it in fact written by a different Professor John Lee? I ask rhetorically, in vain, as it clearly is the same Professor Lee.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9267781/What-point-vaccine-triumph-doomed-endless-curbs-asks-Dr-JOHN-LEE.html

It appears that he has overnight transformed form being a lockdown sceptic arguing that covid19 is no worse than a bad flu, intelligently and objectively discussing telling statistics with Ivor Cummins to being an all-out advocate of official “case” numbers and falling death numbers (“the statistics are irrefutable”, “Deaths among the over 80s in English hospitals have fallen by more than 50% since the peak on January 21”) and vaccine credibility and safety (“giving excellent protection”, “there are clear signs the vaccines are working”).

I note that commenter below mentions that Prof Lee raised the possibility that the vaccine might be giving rise to +ve coronavirus test results when he was on TalkRadio a few weeks ago. That is an example of the rational and questioning thought processes usually adopted by Professor Lee that I have come to expect and depend on. This latest DM article has completely blown my perception of him out of the water.

I worry that this is now the modus operandi of the new HART group: to be seen to support vaccines and official statistics in order to make objections to the lockdown more palatable in the hope that the government might listen. If this is so, it really is a step in the wrong direction and a serious betrayal of what we have all been fighting for.

420619 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to Dodderydude, 7, #901 of 2057 🔗

Yes when I read the latest from HART I just thought how washy. We sceptics are facing even more of a battle now that vaccination is the new kid on the block.

420642 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Marialta, 3, #902 of 2057 🔗

I meant ‘wishy washy’

420648 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dodderydude, 5, #903 of 2057 🔗

I genuinely think that the propaganda has been so relentless that it is seriously affecting nearly everyone else in the population, including former sceptics such as Dr John Lee.

420670 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Dodderydude, 7, #904 of 2057 🔗

I think he’s having to tone it down in attempt to appear rational and reasonable in order to get the government, SAGE and other lockdown lovers to listen and engage.

Sad though – I love the old ‘tell it like it is, no holds barred’ Dr John Lee. I hope he hasn’t succumbed to the propaganda.

420745 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dodderydude, -1, #905 of 2057 🔗

has the Professor John Lee we know and love been kidnapped and replaced with a government ‘bot?

Of course not. He’s trying to do what some here don’t give a flying fuck about – trying to put over a rational case that combats the ‘Sceptics are a joke’ meme that only benefits 77thBrigade.

420626 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 10, #906 of 2057 🔗

The lady doth protest too much…

420638 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to SimonCook, 20, #907 of 2057 🔗

Saying someone is responsible for their own actions is not “going after them instead of their policies”. She’s all public profile and self promotion until she doesn’t like what people say back. Whereupon she’s “just a scientist”. Classic schoolyard bully doublespeak.

She is entirely responsible for the consequences of her poisonous advice.

420688 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 12, #908 of 2057 🔗

She isn’t a scientist, and she is most certainly not just.

420643 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to SimonCook, 4, #909 of 2057 🔗

Very defensive – we are not falling for that

421260 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Victoria, #910 of 2057 🔗

Yes, but can we infer anything from the defensive tone?

Are people like the Great Professor Devi suddenly not so confident any more?

420645 ▶▶ peter-, replying to SimonCook, 13, #911 of 2057 🔗

Awful woman who needs to have an “accident” sooner rather than later.

But it highlights the complete binary thinking of anyone advising governments. For them its either kids going back to school or destroying an entire industry. Either protecting the NHS or indefinitely closing hospitality. Etc, etc, etc.

Their defenders waffle on about how intelligent they are with their PHDs etc, but they have no practical life experience, no understanding that a world exists outside their labs and computer models which is what makes them so damned dangerous.

420673 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to peter-, 5, #912 of 2057 🔗

It would be terrible if she lay in the bath with a plugged in electrical appliances nearby & it fell in.

420646 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to SimonCook, 13, #913 of 2057 🔗

If she simply gave her scientific opinion to the wee Krankie then she would be correct, even if her science turns out to be bollocks.

But she’s been on mass media at every opportunity spouting her agenda driven science propaganda

420666 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to SimonCook, 8, #914 of 2057 🔗

She’s on the ropes and I love it.

420671 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to SimonCook, 3, #915 of 2057 🔗

“have no power”?

Christ – the brass neck….

420672 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SimonCook, 17, #916 of 2057 🔗

I hope Devi is presecuted, asset stripped, ridiculed in public, shamed, discredited, de platformed, de-listed, discredited, humiliated, removed from any position of responsibility, rendered totally unemployable and sent the hell back to the USA.

To go and live in a tent city for the rest of her simpering sad-face very concerned sniveling miserable life.

TOMORROW.

Evil evil evil evil evil evil….

420674 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #917 of 2057 🔗

Oh yer, and she needs to go to a zoom re-training camp.

420720 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Two-Six, 6, #918 of 2057 🔗

With that photo, is she taking shots for an Only Fans account?

420716 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to SimonCook, 10, #919 of 2057 🔗

The put down I used to my lockdown supporting Dad (a retired senior civil servant) when he tried the “civil servants advise, politicians decide” line on me was that if you are not willing to take responsibility for your advice, you should be on minimum wage only.

420834 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #920 of 2057 🔗

Did you mention to him the govt 2011 pandemic plan that Peter Hitchens highlighted recently?

420749 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to SimonCook, 4, #921 of 2057 🔗

Dear Devi, soon they will not be coming after you not on twitter but in the real world

420913 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to SimonCook, 1, #922 of 2057 🔗

No one forced her to be an advisor to the government, did they? If she didn’t want any sort of publicity, good or bad, she shouldn’t have agreed to do it.

420965 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to SimonCook, #923 of 2057 🔗

Box ticker

421347 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to SimonCook, #924 of 2057 🔗

She never did answer my e-mail asking for her evidence to support her stance.

420629 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 13, #925 of 2057 🔗

The numerous vaccines currently deployed do not:

– Confer immunity
– Prevent transmission

Both of which are net outcomes I think most people assume when they encounter the term “vaccine”.

Instead, we are told, the main benefit of the vaccines is that they mitigate against the worst Covid-19 symptoms.

It was established before the winter season began that increasing intake of Vitamin D would consistently mitigate against the worst Covid-19 symptoms ( https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77093-z ).

Much cheaper and easier to administer than any of the vaccines on offer. And the effects of Vitamin D on the body are very well understood. You’d think if this was about people’s health the government would have promoted this very hard.

They didn’t. Why?

420664 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Katabasis, 7, #926 of 2057 🔗

Why? Don’t you get it yet, this is all about depopulation. Cull of man!!

420665 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Katabasis, 4, #927 of 2057 🔗

Why indeed!

Q. They say all mitigation measures are to save the NHS, costing the country zillions, why have they still not increased capacity 12 months later?

In effect, they’ve halved capacity due to social distancing & quarantining staff!

A. More (tory) profit in vaccines & doesn’t fit the agenda. (remember the “ vaccines ” don’t prevent transmission).

420678 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Katabasis, 2, #928 of 2057 🔗

Control. The government can record you having a ‘vaccine’ but not if you take ‘over the counter’ stuff.

420700 ▶▶ l835, replying to Katabasis, 6, #929 of 2057 🔗

Having spent billions nailing their colours to the vaccine mast, how utterly incompetent would they look if they acknowledged a 50p bottle of vitamin d from boots was more effective? It’s all about face saving now.

420725 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Katabasis, 3, #930 of 2057 🔗

HCQ & Ivermectin are better options, but the malevolent “Government” will not authorise their use.

421720 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, #931 of 2057 🔗

Sorry, didn’t read your comment properly. Certainly adequate Vit D is a real game changer – I was responding to the vaccine bit.

420631 isobar, replying to isobar, 5, #932 of 2057 🔗

Latest update from ‘Recovery’ I think that they make some good points as regards the collateral damage of ‘lockdown’ and the need to end it.

For example: Now that key vulnerable groups are vaccinated, we need to ensure this is done rapidly as keeping restrictions in place clearly costs more lives than it saves. It is estimated that every day of lockdown could cause 2,000 excess collateral damage deaths, according the Government’s own figures provided by ONS*. The equation is therefore stark, with Covid deaths next week projected to be under 500 a day, every day of lockdown may sadly cost an additional 2,000 lives. The message is simple, ‘Save more lives. End lockdown now’.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/84d6p-for-balance?viewupdates=1&rcid=r01-161356428186-46196de7efc44940&utm_medium=email&utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_email%2B1137-update-supporters-v5b

420691 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to isobar, 19, #933 of 2057 🔗

Lockdown caused deaths are not collateral damage: they are murders and constitute crimes against humanity.

420752 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #934 of 2057 🔗

You know that, I know that. I think that they have chosen less emotive language so their arguments don’t bounce off on first reading, for example by MPs.

420823 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #935 of 2057 🔗

I was a bit milder than you and considered them to be just involuntary manslaughter.
But that changed and this defense disappeared in the summer last year the latest.
We are looking at and are participants in a most deliberate genocide since then.

420637 Ambwozere, 1, #936 of 2057 🔗

In case anyone is interested in signing this/supporting this group to do with travel and all the restrictions.

https://www.sostravel.uk/

420640 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 2, #937 of 2057 🔗

There are signs that the cases curve is beginning to level off already at just under the 10,000 level. Is it even possible to get below 1,000 positive cases a day when carrying out as many tests as we are?

The bigger concern is that ZOE new cases have risen in the past 2 days while the total infected is declining at a slower rate,

A small crumb of comfort is that the Test positivity rate continues to fall.

420656 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Mayo, #938 of 2057 🔗

Any idea why the ZOE new cases have risen?

420659 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to isobar, 1, #939 of 2057 🔗

Vaccines….?!

420685 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to isobar, 9, #940 of 2057 🔗

“Any idea why the ZOE new cases have risen?”
It’s ram-packed full of insane paranoid covidian hypochondriacs

420695 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Two-Six, 2, #941 of 2057 🔗

But presumably that’s always been the case.

420686 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 1, #942 of 2057 🔗

Would you care to explain why you think a rise in “new cases” is a cause for concern?

420713 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, #943 of 2057 🔗

Surely any reported rise in ‘cases’ is to the advantage of zealots who want to keep fear levels up and have a ready supply of excuses not to even contemplate lifting restrictions.

420799 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #944 of 2057 🔗

yes, who gives a flying fuck how many cases they say there are? we know they never open their mouths without lying, so why are we even listening to them?

420714 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mayo, 28, #945 of 2057 🔗

No offence Mayo but I couldn’t care less. Open up the Country. Cases going up. don’t care open up the country. Deaths going up. Don’t care open up the country.

Open up the country yesterday. It is an absolute disgrace.

420718 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 17, #946 of 2057 🔗

No point in playing the same game with the numbers. The simple fact is that there is no extraordinary emergency. Never has been.

420865 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to RickH, 1, #947 of 2057 🔗

That’s the viable basis for a Judicial Review.

420753 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mayo, #948 of 2057 🔗

Zoe numbers are so low in comparison to other colds and flu (perhaps <5%) that its hard to separate them. Even Zoe has an FPR – its only an online questionnaire.

The only number that stands out is all cause mortality – but I don’t know how you separate ‘with’ lockdown and ‘from’ lockdown

420764 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #949 of 2057 🔗

That is so far from my concern.

As we can see today cases are back in play and they can turn the volume up or down however they want.

420655 smithey, replying to smithey, 7, #950 of 2057 🔗
420667 ▶▶ isobar, replying to smithey, 4, #951 of 2057 🔗

Doesn’t look good!

420717 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to isobar, 6, #952 of 2057 🔗

The coronavirus bill is up for reviewing March, is it not. Would like to hear some noises from the CRG about consigning this to the dustbin.

420721 ▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Hattie, 3, #953 of 2057 🔗

Not much chance of that happening I afraid

420723 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hattie, 3, #954 of 2057 🔗

It will sail through Parliament again, if they get to vote on it of course.

420682 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to smithey, 20, #955 of 2057 🔗

I think it has been very clear for a long time that we never were going to get out of it. There will always be a new variant, new virus, new disease, new set of vaccine requirements, new stamp in passport to show your ‘health’ status…

Why do so many people not get this?

420704 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #956 of 2057 🔗

Two words : Blanket propaganda.

420910 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 1, #957 of 2057 🔗

Sadly, this is all too true. The media campaign has been one that Goebbels could have been proud of and far too many people can’t see through it.

420711 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #958 of 2057 🔗

Exactly, vast majority of people either can’t see or don’t want to see what is going on. Frustrating thing is those that can see it simply cannot get their voices heard. While the UK was not perfect I overall liked life pre covid and felt that I was doing pretty well. Still no point in fighting it I suppose, it’s a waste of energy. I have decided to dust down my history books and read up on what life was like in the Soviet Union to see if I can get some tips about how to thrive under the sort of regime we are living under now. All Hail Johnson, Gates and the Conservative Communist Party of Great Britain.

420757 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to smithey, 7, #959 of 2057 🔗

I’ve started meditation classes so I can help get on top of the constant merry go round in my mind. I need a way out of it mentally and have it build some strength, because the wider situation is increasingly hopeless

420727 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #960 of 2057 🔗

Denial.The reality is too terrifying to contemplate.

420750 ▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #961 of 2057 🔗

I am contemplating it. Reading up on China, Nazi Germany and the USSR to see if I can get some tips on how to thrive in totalitarian societies. We are in this for the long haul now. Best to forget your old lives and work out how you are going to thrive under the new regime. Hail Johnson!

420783 ▶▶▶▶▶ FiatLux, replying to smithey, 3, #962 of 2057 🔗

First write a book (Marx, Little Red, Mein Kampf-that sort of thing). Then design a catchy banner and uniforms for your storm troops, and get a secret police running. Thereafter, kill off any of your rivals, set about the population hecatombs, then brainwash and enslave the survivors. Harden your heart, forget namby-pamby punishments like 10 years for lying on a form and go for guillotines, bullets in the back of the skull, or, for mass requirements, death by famine works well.

420812 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to smithey, #963 of 2057 🔗

Marsha Gessen had a good article on this just after Trump got elected.
Of course, she’s all in and for it now, as it’s a left dictatorship.
Plus ca change.

Hannah Arendt is still the authority on this.

420857 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to JayBee, 1, #964 of 2057 🔗

If it is a left dictatorship then it is fine of course.

420924 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to smithey, 2, #965 of 2057 🔗

I spent the first 20 years of my life in Eastern Europe under communism, and I’m now trying to remember what coping strategies I used, and whether they can be used again.

Unfortunately, it was an old fashioned kind of dictatorship – without the surveillance technology, so very different to the current one.

420960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Alice, 2, #966 of 2057 🔗

Hrrrmmm that is an interesting point about the surveillance. It will mean the new regime will be totally different to previous totalitarian ones. Also,. what we have witnessed is really a soft coup, we have a pretence of democracy while the real power lies with a small collection of individuals and organisations operating behind the scenes rather than an obvious director running things. By gradually infiltrating organisations the current regime has been very clever. All they needed was a trigger, which Covid provided and hey presto you have your communist dictatorship but without the face.

420684 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to smithey, 3, #967 of 2057 🔗

Excellent move to perpetuate lockdown indefinitely.

Of course for all the useful idiots in business that have gone along with everything the government has demanded (and then some), this is a complete nightmare for planning and forecasting. Who cares though, there’s only one letter difference between ‘dat a ‘ and ‘dat e ‘, right?

420768 ▶▶ Annie, replying to smithey, 7, #968 of 2057 🔗

I doubt if Boris knows the difference between data, dates and dildoes.
There’s no data in the picture anyhow. Only bogus testing and yet more bogus modelling.
The only solution is Zero Bozo, Zero Dungford and Zero Turdgeon.

420779 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Annie, 2, #969 of 2057 🔗

Yeap, sadly Johnson is like a mindless sheep been lead by people within an agenda to push. He is walking mindlessly into a wolf’s layer and the entire UK population are following him (well that is the charitable analysis of the situation, the other is that he knows full well what he is doing and the deep changes for the worse he is implementing on society. I don’t know which one is the worse)

420862 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to smithey, 4, #970 of 2057 🔗

Go back to his GE campaign. Limiting the role of parliament limit power of the courts his attempt to prorogue parliament the refusal to attend interviews to be held accountable to anything. He knows full well what he’s doing and he’s relishing it.

420886 ▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #971 of 2057 🔗

Yes, I can see that now. I have to confess that back in 2019 I supported what he was doing to parliament and the media. Parliament because they were trying to thwart the will of the public over Brexit and the media because they clearly had a left wing bias and would always present Boris in an unfavourable light. I think if he had not prorogued parliament we would still be trying to get out of the EU now. I can now see though that my thinking at the time was short sighted and that we have released on monster with Johnson.

420804 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to smithey, 3, #972 of 2057 🔗

Only 3 things can end this/any cult:
A violent uprising (mostly BY or WITH the military).
The money runs out (hyperinflation).
Masses of people start to die unexpectedly and due to its own activities (vaccine).
The first is unlikely, certainly in the UK, the third we’ll find out in a year or so, the second is a given.

420859 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to JayBee, #973 of 2057 🔗

I think the money running out is the most likely send to this. The UK population are too dim and lazy to rise up against this or question vaccine deaths.

420905 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JayBee, #974 of 2057 🔗

printing press been going brrrrrr since 2008
They can invent as much funny money as they need

Even with mass casualties the MSM will tell them nothing to see here (see Gibraltar) and they will buy it

420680 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #975 of 2057 🔗

Perhaps it’s just wishful thinking but do FS’S think like me that as the emotional blackmail and the propaganda increases, the less people, apart from the out and out collaborators and sheep take notice and more and more people are out and about?

420762 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #976 of 2057 🔗

Out and about, but nowhere to go until businesses start to fight back. How long, oh Lord, how long?

420773 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Annie, 10, #977 of 2057 🔗

Many businesses seem to prefer to go bust rather than fight back. If everyone just opened up tomorrow though and ignored lockdown the government will not be able to do anything about it.

421710 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to smithey, #978 of 2057 🔗

They all have to open at the same time and need some sturdy fellows in the area to make sure the cops don’t start to obey unlawful orders.

THE GREAT REOPENING 20TH MARCH (bitchute.com)

420775 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 3, #979 of 2057 🔗

Sadly Annie, I have to agree.

420838 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #980 of 2057 🔗

That’s definitely the case here. Noticeably wherever you go here nobody’s talking about covid at all. Haven’t come across pavement jumpers in months. 100% mask free outdoors. One bus company seem to be sceptical as the drivers quite happily ignore non masked people boarding their bus!

420698 leggy, replying to leggy, 9, #981 of 2057 🔗

A friend of mine is a biz-jet pilot. Noticed he’s in Gibraltar today. Because he likes to update facebook, I thought I’d check where he’s been over the last month:

17/02 – UK, Gibraltar.
13/02 – UK, Dublin.
12/02 – UK, Menorca.
11/02 – Dublin, Menorca.
07/02 – UK, Amsterdam, Talinn.
05/02 – Talinn, Sochi.
03/02 – Talinn, Moscow.
31/01 – Talinn, Amsterdam.
30/01 – UK, Dusseldorf.
29/01 – UK, Ireland.
27/01 – UK, Zurich.
26/01 – Zurich, Paris, UK.

Lockdown – only for the little people.

420709 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 15, #982 of 2057 🔗

I talked to a private charter pilot back in July, he flies jets and helicopters for the very well connected. He said he had NEVER been busier than he was during “The Lockdown”, he told us how the very rich would often say with disdain how they would never fly with the common people and that chartering a plane for a long weekend to go to New York or whatever was the usual practice with them. A enormous expense.

They would even pay to have the aircraft sat on the tarmac waiting for them with the meter running.

100’s of thousands

A very interesting chat that was.

420729 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 11, #983 of 2057 🔗

Yep, this is what Zero Carbon looks like for the super-rich.

420792 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Richard O, 1, #984 of 2057 🔗

They offset it with 7 million$ p.a., as in Gates case.
Which would equal just 70$ p.a. for us, if you are worth 1 million$s.

420759 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Two-Six, 4, #985 of 2057 🔗

I’ve noticed on flightradar recently that there are an awful lot of private jets zipping around overnight too. I guess the demand requires 24h running.

420778 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 6, #986 of 2057 🔗

Same with the Global Warming cultists
avid Jetsons the lot of them

420897 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #987 of 2057 🔗

With the meter running? Taxi-ing, presumably?

420731 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to leggy, #988 of 2057 🔗

Good luck to him.

420706 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #989 of 2057 🔗

Mirror Online: Tragic toll year of loneliness has taken on elderly laid bare in harrowing photos.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tragic-toll-year-loneliness-taken-23508997

420719 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #990 of 2057 🔗

This decline is not the exclusive preserve of the elderly. The ‘before’ and ‘after’ photos for most of us will show a similar deterioration.

Instead of “Faces of Meth” we need “Faces of Lockdown”. Look into their eyes mother fuckers.

420724 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Richard O, 10, #991 of 2057 🔗

I looked like Brad Pitt last year.

420739 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #992 of 2057 🔗

Last year I looked like Elmer Fudd. Now I look like Elmer Fudd with added Neanderthal features.

420754 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Richard O, 2, #993 of 2057 🔗

I’m neither pretty or ugly, I’m sort of Pretty Ugly.

420774 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #994 of 2057 🔗

oh ….now the Mirror care
ok then

420710 Hattie, 2, #995 of 2057 🔗

Interesting parallels to the current situation. A long doc, but can be skimmed over in about 15 minutee.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/Center-projects/completed-projects/spars-pandemic-scenario.html

420712 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 15, #996 of 2057 🔗

Just had the third telephone call (landline) today. At least a couple yesterday. One or two others earlier. Two letters. Two calls from GP. First one replied to, “No”. I haven’t changed my mind.

THE GREAT REOPENING

420746 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #997 of 2057 🔗

Heroic stuff. Respect

420787 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #998 of 2057 🔗

Call me back when you have a vaccine….

420824 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #999 of 2057 🔗

Just need Wetherspoons big breweries and businesses to get things going and unite to secure its success.

421058 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1000 of 2057 🔗

Just had the third telephone call (landline) today. At least a couple yesterday. One or two others earlier. Two letters. Two calls from GP. First one replied to, “No”. I haven’t changed my mind.

That’s ridiculous. I haven’t heard a thing from my GP since I ‘declined’ the vaccine last week; texts have also stopped.

Your GP must be desperate for the money.

421682 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ceriain, #1001 of 2057 🔗

Only the first two were definitely from GP. I answered only the first one. I think the others have been from a central clearing house and all have been deleted from the answerfone.

420732 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1002 of 2057 🔗

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6577163/die-months-restrictions-government-zero-covid/

TLDR Group claims that 1% of Irish population could die if Ireland doesn’t go for Zero Covid.

420741 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1003 of 2057 🔗

At least 20% of Ireland will die now that they are going for Zero Covid.

420771 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 4, #1004 of 2057 🔗

They are going for Zero Irish
Have you seen what they have been importing over the last 5 years ?

420742 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1005 of 2057 🔗

Can we not get these people on a flight to Florida, or India, or Sweden? They need to come out of their home office

420765 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1006 of 2057 🔗

I reckon that 100% of the Irish population will die.

420777 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 5, #1007 of 2057 🔗

Shssh – don’t tell them, you’ll only frighten the horses 😉

420772 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1008 of 2057 🔗

Erm, 1% of the population of Ireland dies every year.

420794 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1009 of 2057 🔗

delete

420819 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1010 of 2057 🔗

These people plan to end what they call yo-yo lockdowns with one permanent lockdown. That’s it – there’s nothing more to their “plan”.

420892 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1011 of 2057 🔗

Try a potato famine instead.

421700 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1012 of 2057 🔗

Ivermectin.

420756 PatrickF, 6, #1013 of 2057 🔗

I was in the City of London today and passed the Guildhall yard where there is a testing tent. Who the f are they testing? Every city worker is at home!
I was there to give my boss some post. He has a company of 150 staff. 147 of them working from home today.

420763 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1014 of 2057 🔗

Am I the only one starting to find it hilarious

All this free to view Monty Python

420803 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1015 of 2057 🔗

Actually I am finding the whole thing totally incongruous now. I have a very strong sense now that this shitshow will start to collapse and when it starts it will spectacularly crash. The real agenda is now clear as day – they will not relinquish powerror. Hence they keep bypassing parliament.

420916 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #1016 of 2057 🔗

It could do, but the government will try to end it gradually, by a kind of erosion, not collapse. I do not believe they can keep this going forever.

420882 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1017 of 2057 🔗

I can sort of go along with this sentiment these days. Covidians eh? lol

420781 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 22, #1018 of 2057 🔗

Do we need to start a full-scale Anti-Apartheid movement now? A register of businesses signing up to an agreement that they will never restrict access to goods and services based on health status as proved by tests, vaccines or any other such measure, that they are non-discriminatory and inclusive?

420887 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1019 of 2057 🔗

Good idea.

420919 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1020 of 2057 🔗

Something is planned for March 13th ! Any info ?? Without blowing cover !!..

420782 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 11, #1021 of 2057 🔗

1.5 cases per 100k.
Respect.
Johnson, Hancock&co have gone even more mad and nihilistic than Merkel&co, who reduced just to an already preposterous 35 recently.

I think we have arrived at the Nero decree stage now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree

420790 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to JayBee, 2, #1022 of 2057 🔗

You will continue to be punished until morale improves, or the percentage of cases falls below the false positive percentage … whichever comes last.

420791 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to JayBee, 10, #1023 of 2057 🔗

The only thing now is that there needs to be an urgent leadership election launched to oust Johnson. He is in the grip of three deranged scientists with Wancock being totally incompetent ando Johnson seemingly incapable of taking serious decisions and a range of advice.

420856 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Dominich, 2, #1024 of 2057 🔗

No point – replaced by whom?
Some other Tory mongoloid??
I’d rather laugh at Falafel

420788 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 5, #1025 of 2057 🔗

Theresa May fought for a BRINO to appease her masters. Did anything happen to her?
Boris Johnson is fighthing even harder to destroy the country and sell its people to his master. Do you think anything at all will happen to him?
Wake up! Lockdowns and vaxx are forever!

420912 ▶▶ smithey, replying to TheClone, 5, #1026 of 2057 🔗

One thing is for sure – if (and I know it is a big if) we are ever allowed to vote again I will never again in my lifetime vote for the Conservatives. Only question is – who do I vote for instead?

420789 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 16, #1027 of 2057 🔗

Had the AZ vaccine yesterday. (Yes, I know, but I’m in the high risk area and thought on balance it made sense). Felt pretty grotty overnight – bad headache, painful arm, sweating. Still feeling pretty poorly today, but nothing not covered in the list of ‘Very Common’ side effects.

I actually had a choice between the Pfizer vaccine – which I wouldn’t have risked – from one of the ‘vaccine centres’ or the AZ vaccine from my GP. Took the latter. Was warned it takes up to 14 days to be effective and won’t be fully effective until I’ve had the second dose.

However, quoting from the paperwork I was given:

‘Two doses will reduce your chances of becoming seriously ill. We do not know yet if it will stop you from catching or passing on the virus.’

So a vaccine passport sounds pretty pointless at this stage, no?

420795 ▶▶ leggy, replying to redbirdpete, 11, #1028 of 2057 🔗

The passports have nothing do with keeping us safe.

Hope you feel better soon.

420808 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to leggy, 3, #1029 of 2057 🔗

Agreed, but just making the point that they are senseless unless there is an ulterior motive – which most of us on here would suspect there is.

420826 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to leggy, 1, #1030 of 2057 🔗

They will keep “us” safe from WrongThinkers.

420800 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #1031 of 2057 🔗

A vaccine passport is pointless unless enough people are vaccinated so that those who refuse are a minority that can be demonised.

420811 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1032 of 2057 🔗

Completely pointless
Should have tested everyone for T-cell response like the BCG test
Would have found 60% of people already resistant

420815 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1033 of 2057 🔗

Don’t mention the T-cells. We can only discuss fading antibodies.

420835 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to merlin, 1, #1034 of 2057 🔗

The BBC did say that T cells were fake news
my bad

420843 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1035 of 2057 🔗

Well someone should have reported them for not merely fake news but out-and-out lying.

420813 ▶▶ merlin, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1036 of 2057 🔗

I guess you understand that neither the oxford or pfizer therapies are true vaccines?

420840 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to merlin, 1, #1037 of 2057 🔗

Yes, but apparently neither is the flu vaccine. I did consult a virologist to understand the differences – friend of a friend. She did explain the difference between the smallpox or polio vaccines and these but although I followed it at the time I’m dammed sure I wouldn ‘t be able to explain it now.

420889 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to redbirdpete, #1038 of 2057 🔗

I hope you feel better soon.

420878 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to redbirdpete, #1039 of 2057 🔗

Don’t look at your skin under UV light.

420890 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to redbirdpete, #1040 of 2057 🔗

It’s funny/sick.
The Brits all want the AZ and refuse the Pfizer/German one, whilst the Germans all refuse the AZ and want the German one.
But then maybe at least one of those two people will survive thus way.
More probably neither.

420920 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to JayBee, #1041 of 2057 🔗

For those who think the Oxford/ AZ is safer, they might want to scroll through the many adverse reactions reported so far. And they say only about 1% actually do report reactions- many elderly won’t be logging onto a computer to do so. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/960151/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1HCqO9tSFF4G5_5jZEM1CMUiWJnjsrhjOZDjnHsY5pmqoQuPxChXkMz7g

420896 ▶▶ smithey, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1042 of 2057 🔗

Playing devils advocate – if you wanted to travel then the vaccine passport will at least let the authorities in the country you are travelling to know that you have been vaccinated and so are unlikely to fall seriously ill with covid during your visit and burden their health service.

420900 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to smithey, 3, #1043 of 2057 🔗

Anyone under the age of 50 with no underlying conditions is also unlikely to fall seriously ill with Covid and therefore burden the health service. There is no need for this demographic to have the vaccine so the push is very worrying.

420904 ▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Poppy, 2, #1044 of 2057 🔗

I agree. Frankly there was no need to lockdown most of this demographic at all and reap all this destruction.

420915 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to smithey, #1045 of 2057 🔗

I see what you are saying. However many countries now require travel insurance for Covid related symptoms before entry. Initially at the start insurance companies were excluding this cover but I think this has now changed or for some. So if you have to have the insurance, it won’t save any money for the country you are visiting. Indeed if you have to claim on your insurance for symptoms it will be a money making exercise for them as private insurance cases are always overcharged.

420971 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to smithey, #1046 of 2057 🔗

Vacxx passport or denied insurance anyway most probably

421587 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to smithey, 1, #1047 of 2057 🔗

our travelling days are over – unless we are able to emigrate somewhere and claim asylum on the ground that this regime is keeping us under house arrest .and either trying to carry out medical experimentation on us, or else murder us, depending on your view of it. even then, not sure how we’d get there

420906 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1048 of 2057 🔗

The vaccine trials only showed a reduction in mild symptoms for some people. High dose Vit c and d3 and other supplements can do this and these will also protect you against other illnesses. Also trials used PCR tests which are as accurate (or inaccurate) as flipping a coin so who knows whether these vaccines actually do much at all. I have heard some say oh well if I get a less severe dose I will pass on a less severe dose. Sounds rational. Except I read a peer reviewed Scientific study the other day which concluded that there is no evidence of this it is theoretical only (despite the lies in msm).Yes a vaccine passport absolutely pointless.

420909 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to redbirdpete, #1049 of 2057 🔗

I’d say so but I’m not from Davos !

420798 BeBopRockSteady, 14, #1050 of 2057 🔗

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241595

Excellent stuff again Karl D.

“I have ensured I am not Vitamin-D deficient since that has zero risk to my person and costs pennies. As a result despite being 57 years of age and thus at allegedly “higher risk” it is clear on the science that this virus is no more dangerous to me than the common cold and I have exactly zero concern about contracting it. I have lived my unmasked life for the last year and will continue to; you may take your “mandates” intended to scare me and shove them straight up your ass.”

420802 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1051 of 2057 🔗

To Pose a Risk, You Need To Be Symptomatic
Studies have repeatedly shown that masks do not significantly reduce transmission of viruses, so it’s safe to assume that a mask will in fact fail in this regard. That leaves two key factors: There must be a contagious person around, and they must be sufficiently close for transmission to occur.

We now know that asymptomatic individuals — even if they test positive using a PCR test — are highly unlikely to be contagious. So, really, a key prevention strategy for COVID-19 seems to be to stay home if you have symptoms. As for masking up when you’re healthy, let alone double, triple or quadruple masking, there’s simply no scientific consensus for that strategy.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/17/mask-mandate-for-all.aspx

420814 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, -4, #1052 of 2057 🔗

What’s the source

420805 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 25, #1053 of 2057 🔗

It’s funny how many people think that the shitshow will be better when the weather improves. Yes, because totalitarianism is so much bloody better when the sun shines, isn’t it.

420809 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kh1485, 4, #1054 of 2057 🔗

Despite everything, the ovine kind still have blind faith in the system, most people are beyond help!

420810 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 3, #1055 of 2057 🔗

Great point. For the record I have always much preferred winter to summer.

420816 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 5, #1056 of 2057 🔗

Me too, I bloody hate summer!

420853 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 3, #1057 of 2057 🔗

Don’t get me started on BLOODY light nights, I hate em with a vengeance.

421104 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1058 of 2057 🔗

You are one of the undead, and I claim my 5 cloves of garlic …

421560 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to JohnB, #1059 of 2057 🔗

With 5 cloves of garlic, you also get a free crucifix.

420817 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Richard O, 6, #1060 of 2057 🔗

You should come to Scotland we don’t get a summer.

420893 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1061 of 2057 🔗

You liar, its usually one day sometime between July & August.

420961 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Anti_socialist, #1062 of 2057 🔗

Except you can’t see the sun for midges 🤪

420954 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1063 of 2057 🔗

Spring, summer, winter or autumn, it looks to me like a dark night for as long as KrankieWitch is in charge.

421112 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1064 of 2057 🔗

you fibber…August Bank Holiday 1988 was a lovely day…I played golf at Monefieth……..

421680 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to kh1485, #1065 of 2057 🔗

It`s February. The weather is shite. Do you really expect people to be strolling about eating ice creams?

420821 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1067 of 2057 🔗

Watching at the moment. The UK Army document was intriguing if not surprising.

420820 fiery, replying to fiery, 15, #1068 of 2057 🔗

There certainly seems to be moves to ramp thing up even further. From 1.7 million people being added to the vulnerable list yesterday and now today four more coronavirus symptoms being added – headache, fatigue, sore throat and diarrhoea. I’ve permanently got the first two just from the sheer stress and frustration about how my life has been completely overturned. I can imagine increasing numbers of worried well now pitching up for a test n the basis of having a headache.
I only hope I don’t get one of the advisory shielding letters based on my age. Will be giving it to my dog to chew up and spit out if I do.

420833 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to fiery, 7, #1069 of 2057 🔗

I must have covid all the time as I’m permanently tired due to my toddlers 😂

420841 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to fiery, 8, #1070 of 2057 🔗

After pressure the WHO changed guidelines about positive PCR test from symptom free peeps. So they need everyone to have some sort of a symptom to keep the fraud show on the road

420949 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1071 of 2057 🔗

I think they have just added athletes foot (covid toe) and hemorrhoids (Sars grapes) to the list

420847 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to fiery, 11, #1072 of 2057 🔗

I am still convinced people are not taking the vaccine hence ramp up the fear again. Every time since March when there has even been a hint of the population not taking any notice, not getting tested, going out or questioning the narrative out come the scare stories, new variants, sad stories and the kitchen sink.

420848 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to fiery, 6, #1073 of 2057 🔗

Soreness in the upper-arm will be the next one to be added. MW

420894 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to fiery, 4, #1074 of 2057 🔗

Based on the symptom list as it now stands, I’ve had covid hundreds, if not thousands of times throughout my lifetime.

420929 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to fiery, #1075 of 2057 🔗

Not sure of the point of testing, since the default position is we’ve all got Covid all of the time.

420957 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to fiery, #1076 of 2057 🔗

If I get such a letter, and I probably will, I shall file it and ignore it.

420827 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 13, #1077 of 2057 🔗

I had to laugh the other day when I saw a headline stating that someone in the government had said that there was a “tsnumi of misinformation” on the vaccines given the government changes its mind every day on what the vaccines can and can’t do.

421146 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Katabasis, #1078 of 2057 🔗

Indeed – I reckon we’ve gone through the Looking Glass into a land of black farce and Humpty-Dumpty definitions.

420831 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 30, #1079 of 2057 🔗

Just had the “vaccine” call (I’m 64 and had cancer so concidered venerable). I said what with all the conflicting information about I’ll decline the vaccine this time around. He said I don’t blame you (I’m not sure if this is on his script).

420863 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #1080 of 2057 🔗

We are all venerable on this site, having seen through the bullshit. 😉

420901 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Smelly Melly, #1081 of 2057 🔗

My mum will be using your response. Thanks

420908 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to merlin, 6, #1082 of 2057 🔗

I would reply:
Please call me back when you have an approved VACCINE.
Not those experimental gene therapies.

420936 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #1083 of 2057 🔗

sounds a perfectly reasonable response to wait it out until results and impacts are fully known and documented at end of the phase 3 test (2022) and then you can make an “informed” judgement and risk analysis for your own circumstances.

420832 Ricky1, 28, #1084 of 2057 🔗

They have to keep the farce going all through summer because they know they are locking down as soon as someone sneezes in October. They know that if they give us a summer without mass testing, social distancing and compulsory masks they’ll struggle to force people back into the fold come winter.

My heart aches for the things I will never be able to do again the way it was intended.

420836 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 51, #1085 of 2057 🔗

Last night my spirits was raised thinking more and more people were coming round to our way of thinking, until now. I’ve avoided having to go to a large supermarket for ages, got away with click and collect for a while now, but I had to go in person today. It was a very busy Tesco Metro, with maybe 250/300 people inside, I was the only one without a mask. People were literally, jumping out the way of me, running away or in one case abandoned their trolley to avoid me. Then some old git, whose probably already been jabbed shouted at me to put my mask on. I snapped, I shouted at him back, masked do fuck all and your government are lying to you. He ran off. This is worse then ever! 🙁

420851 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andrew K, 8, #1086 of 2057 🔗

Thanks for the update. Reports from the front line such as this totally justify my deep-seated cynicism and pessimism.

420875 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Andrew K, 12, #1087 of 2057 🔗

You did the right thing, shouting at that guy! I don’t normally shout at people, but that was definitely justified. I’d like to encourage you, when you go shopping without a mask, to walk with confidence and smile at people.

I think, if a stranger in a shop said something about a mask to me, I’d call security, and complain of harassment. Maybe I’d even ask the stranger for their details, so that I can take them to court! At this point, the stranger would probably give up, and disappear.

420877 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Andrew K, 8, #1088 of 2057 🔗

Top lad! We need more of this!

420939 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1089 of 2057 🔗

It’s definitely worse out there in the town centres and supermarkets. Agitprop re the new mutant variants plus the supermarkets being pressured to team up with PHE and enforce muzzles/anti-SD even more has emboldened the self-righteous types to police others overtly. Last month I was the only maskless one of 25 people queueing at an outdoor market stall in oodles of space.

Outside the centre much as before though. Lunchtime walk today saw no muzzles and no anti-SD whatsoever.

421096 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1090 of 2057 🔗

I like our local farmers’ market. 🙂

Always make a point of not buying from maskers and telling them why. Most stallholders whip them off immediately.

421671 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1091 of 2057 🔗

It depends on where you go. There are those that never wear masks, those that wear them when they think they have to and those that wear them all the time. The fully muzzled people usually don’t go out too often for recreation.

Out today in the fairly large local park it was very crowded, perhaps hundreds of people, little social distancing, some large groups and not much show of fear. I saw only about a half dozen masked zombies, who strangely enough were mainly men, some with children and unmuzzled partners.

Coming back through the poorer part of town, it was mainly muzzles, they were just people doing errands, not out for pleasure.

421091 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1092 of 2057 🔗

It’s not snapping to shout back if someone shouts at you first. 🙂 Well done Andy.

421755 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Andrew K, #1093 of 2057 🔗

You did the right thing. Well done!

I had the same treatment in a local Sainsbury yesterday. I was in an aisle along with the only other free-facer I saw while there when an old fart looked at me, pointed at his face and shouted a muffled (shuffled?) ‘Mask’. As he scuttled off I raised my voice as far as it would go without actually shouting and called out ‘I’m not answerable to you, SIR’. Yeah I know ‘fuck off’ would have been more appropriate and cathartic, but in the moment it seemed like the best I could do.

This caught the attention of the other free-facer which led to a brief but productive exchange, during which I was able to provide him with a credit card size exemption card (for general use so he didn’t need to keep his inhaler contantly at hand) and also one of the ‘don’t fuck with me’ exemption cards I saw on here which includes details of the laws people break when they challenge/refuse to serve you.

420839 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1094 of 2057 🔗

Segregation in Israel continues apace:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/transportation-ministry-seeks-to-restrict-international-travel-for-unvaccinated/

The Transportation Ministry is pushing a proposal to restrict international travel for Israelis who haven’t been vaccinated against COVID-19, as part of plans to reopen Ben Gurion Airport, Israeli television reported Tuesday.
Anyone who hasn’t received a vaccine will be denied permission to fly for “unessential” reasons unless granted special permission by a government committee, according to Channel 12 news. The report didn’t specify what would be considered “essential.”
The Transportation Ministry was also examining the possibility of setting up separate entry terminals for the vaccinated and unvaccinated and has reportedly held talks with national carrier El Al on separate flights for those who have received a vaccine and those who haven’t.

420860 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1095 of 2057 🔗

I know there are people on here who will comment that it is how Israel are as a country, but still days on reading what is going on there still causes me absolute astonishment. I am getting to the stage now where they will ask the unvaccinated to wear some kind of badge and not think how wrong it is.

420872 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1096 of 2057 🔗

Probably only a matter of time.

420881 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1097 of 2057 🔗

They, of all people, seem to have unlearned their OWN history.
If Dolores Cahill is halfway right, Bibi’s name will be mentioned in the future only alongside that of the Pharaos and Hitler’s, and Sahin’s BionTech with that of IG Farben.
What a tragedy, irony and above all: reckless, irresponsible and totally unnecessary gamble.

420932 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1098 of 2057 🔗

Appropriation of the yellow star might be just what we need
Optics are an important part of this war

421133 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1099 of 2057 🔗

I am one of those as I lived and worked there for 5 yrs. I know the militarized society and yes I too watch it with astonishment and great sadness. 2020 has simply pushed the country’s very own fascism to the surface in a completely unexpected way.

421065 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to godowneasy, #1100 of 2057 🔗

I guess leaving the country permanently to be able to live a decent live without having to be vaccinated is an “essential reason”.

421138 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1101 of 2057 🔗

Segregation in Israel continues apace”

So what’s new? Apartheid is one of the things they do best.

420844 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 9, #1102 of 2057 🔗

Der Spiegel reports: ‘Vaccination reactions and reduced efficacy have brought AstraZeneca’s Corona vaccine into disrepute. North Rhine-Westphalia’s government views the development “with concern”.

From the article:

‘The AstraZeneca vaccine is approved in Germany only for people under 65. Recently, reports of side effects and reduced efficacy compared to other vaccines have brought the vaccine into disrepute. At the ambulance service in Dortmund, around a quarter of employees had to call in sick after vaccination. On Tuesday several hospitals in Lower Saxony suspended vaccinations with the AstraZeneca vaccine following reactions in an unusually large number of employees’.

Despite reassurances from the regional government and the Federal Health Minister:
‘…there are further reports of a lower willingness to be vaccinated with the (AZ) vaccine – not only in North Rhine-Westphalia. For example, Saarland Health Minister Monika Bachmann criticized the fact that at the weekend, 54 percent of the 200 people registered to attend a vaccination event for medical staff failed to turn up – without canceling their appointment’.

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/astrazeneca-impfstoff-nrw-regierung-berichtet-von-schwindender-akzeptanz-a-773397eb-6b9f-4c7f-9e4f-56ed41812d28

It is tempting to ask how many of the employees forced to take time off after the vaccination would have had to do so otherwise. However, this is probably another aspect of the Government response to Covid that won’t be subject to cost/benefit analysis.

420866 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DJ Dod, 14, #1103 of 2057 🔗

This combined with the “leaked” Mark Zuckerberg Covid vaccine hesitancy comment that has surfaced today is a possible sign that the authorities are preparing themselves for an almighty covering of backsides when the shit hits the fan with unknown medium term side effects. Ever so slightly encouraging.

420874 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Richard O, 2, #1104 of 2057 🔗

I dislike social media but if Zuckerberg allowed FB to no longer toe the party line it could start significant change.

420869 ▶▶ leggy, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1105 of 2057 🔗

They were just discussing this on UK Column too.

421252 ▶▶ TJN, replying to DJ Dod, #1106 of 2057 🔗

And, so we are led to believe, nothing much happening here in Good Ole Blighty.

One of these scenarios has to be wrong. But which one?

420849 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 19, #1107 of 2057 🔗

Looking at the situation in India, in Nepal and to some extent in Brazil, I can’t help feeling that the sheep in the UK aren’t suffering enough.

In the countries mentioned poverty is rife, diseases far nastier than Covid abound, and there is practically nothing by way of government assistance. The people don’t have time for all the lockdown bullshit, they are too busy putting food on the table however they can and basically surviving. Their immune systems laugh at something as weak as Covid when they have dengue, dysentery and several other proven killers doing the rounds. Their daily pre-Covid struggle has prepared them for serious hardship. From personal experience in Brazil I know that those most in favour of lockdown are those least affected by it.

Perhaps the sheep in the UK will wake up when things really start to bite, or will the government never let the situation get to that point?

420884 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Sampa, 9, #1108 of 2057 🔗

Exactly.

Covid is the quintessential first world problem.

Official ‘covid deaths’ in India are 155 000.

220 000 die of tuberculosis in India.

year in year out.

421563 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to rockoman, #1109 of 2057 🔗

yes, when you have REAL diseases to deal with you haven’t got any inclination to make up fake ones

420888 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sampa, 9, #1110 of 2057 🔗

Quite, we must be one of the most cossetted bunch of softies in the world. We genuinely don’t understand what real risk and danger are any more. Post-Covid (should it ever get to that point) I think the govt will be in trouble because many people will now be expecting the state to keep them safe at home on furlough forever more. “But I weigh 20 stone, if I catch flu I might die, I can’t possibly go to work ever again”. Etc etc.

420996 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to A. Contrarian, #1111 of 2057 🔗

Maybe people will expect to live forever after this.

420852 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1112 of 2057 🔗

I know I know….I just listened to BBCR4 with Sarah (I’ve got a pony) Montague. It’s wasn’t too bad…Don’t worry I haven’t gone “funny”.

They were talking about the big question “HOW MANY DEATHS ARE TOO MANY?” with an MP saying we need to have a think about how deaths are acceptable a NERVETAG guy saying well the vaccine we know more blabh there is a level at which we can accept a number of deaths, wouldnt say wht the level is, then a BMA guy backpedaling on the vaccine passport saying we aren’t sure if it stops you getting it or passing it on. Sarah M quipped in “Well the government are that keep on vaccine passports”.

Then they talked about the new vulnerable list, 1.7 million people freshly terrified because they will certainly die if they catch the Rona.

WELL, guess what demographic they are targeting???? Black Asian and Ethnic minorities. The very same demographic that are resisting getting jabbed the most.

YOU COULDN’T MAKE IT UP BRIAN, IT BEGGARS BELIEF!

As they say.

Scamming lying abusive manipulative bastards.

So hummmmm ever so slightly encouraging today. I managed at least 15 mins of it before an SJW twassock started talking about some identity bollocks from the TUC conference.

She found out she was adopted and that gave her PTSD due to her conflicting identity crisis that this revaluation caused. She mentioned how mental health support is now a really big thing cos covid and adopted mixed race people getting traumatised or something.

Click……
Oh yer and they talked about some big experiment where they would infect people with covids and see if they die or not. It’s a start…

420880 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1113 of 2057 🔗

SJW twassock started talking about some identity bollocks from the TUC conference.

She found out she was adopted and that gave her PTSD due to her conflicting identity crisis that this revaluation caused.

How can these people be so ungrateful – if she was not adopted by a loving family she might have been on the streets or something worse

420930 ▶▶ John001, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1114 of 2057 🔗

I think I heard that bit. They plan to inject 18-30 y olds with live SARS-CoV-2.

So much for 12 months of ‘you’re all doomed’ advertising aimed at the general population. Now it’s fine to get the virus as long as you’re in the younger age groups (who to date have been locked up in halls of residence and in general treated abominably.)

***

An excellent comment seen on Dr Kendrick’s blog:

Don’t decline the jab if offered, say you are waiting for the animal tests to be completed and the data released.You need to know that you would be taking part in a massive experimental human trial.

The trials end in 2023. The vaccine manufacturers state this on the gov website. These are the dates that the trials end:

Pfizer trials end on Jan 27th 2023 (See https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 )
AstraZeneca trials end in Feb 2023 (See https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746
Moderna trials end in Dec 2023 (See https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03897881 )

420958 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to John001, 2, #1115 of 2057 🔗

Don’t decline the jab if offered, say you are waiting for the animal tests to be completed and the data released.You need to know that you would be taking part in a massive experimental human trial.

Agree. This is the way to do it

420978 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to John001, 1, #1116 of 2057 🔗

That’s the wrong link for the Moderna one I think, John.

421442 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Katabasis, #1117 of 2057 🔗

This appears to be the correct link:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04283461

421031 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1118 of 2057 🔗

Then they talked about the new vulnerable list, 1.7 million people freshly terrified because they will certainly die if they catch the Rona.

WELL, guess what demographic they are targeting???? Black Asian and Ethnic minorities. The very same demographic that are resisting getting jabbed the most.

I posted exactly this yesterday. We’re the only people to see through this.

They don’t care about BAME people; they just want them to take the jab.

421694 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, #1119 of 2057 🔗

Ivermectin.

420858 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1120 of 2057 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197680-schools-constitution/

The pushback from the charity sector in Ireland has started – arguments presented that failure to provide an education for children is unconstitutional and that online “learning” is not an appropriate substitute.

420876 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1121 of 2057 🔗

Fantastic.

Now only for the English charities to get off their woke bums and do the same

420950 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1122 of 2057 🔗

Sad they haven’t backed John Waters then in his attempt to prove the whole bloody lockdown unconstitutional then, hey…..last I heard he was going round in circles whilst being kicked into the long grass

420861 BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1123 of 2057 🔗

Question, do the mRNA vaccines create anti bodies that are distinguishable from antibodies related to natural infection?

Read something just now and it seems this should be a very important question. Any info appreciated

420868 Ewan Duffy, 3, #1124 of 2057 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/complaints-about-factory-smells-and-noise-double-in-year-40102312.html

Let me guess – the reason complaints have doubled is that people have noticed these things now that they are WFH.

420871 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 10, #1125 of 2057 🔗

May I request people continue to email Graham Brady and Charles Walker please, maybe Mark Harper as wel. Yes it may nto do any good, they are unlikely to respond if they are not your MP but Graham and Charles being the Chair and Vice Chair of the 1922 committee not only have been vocal about what is going on but are in a position to do something. They may not be able to get the PM to listen directly but they can influence backbenchers, the same backbenchers who can bring the PM down.

Charles Walker, just my opinion, would be a perfect replacement for the PM.

Some may not feel it is worth it, but their staff will be reading the emails, if nothing it will show the strength of feeling.

420879 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1126 of 2057 🔗

I email them all every now and then. Steve Baker last week, and Charles Walker after his amazing speech about Hancock. No replies but I don’t expect one any more. You have encouraged me to give Brady and Harper a go this week!

420928 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1127 of 2057 🔗

Thank you, I fire off emails to them all when they say something good and everytime there is another goalpost shift, so they receive quite a lot of emails from me! Every now and again I get a proper response from a staff member, normally Graham Brady’s.

420968 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1128 of 2057 🔗

Perhaps Sir Desmond as well?

421203 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to maggie may, 1, #1129 of 2057 🔗

Desmond Swayne is always on the list of whom I send my emails to, but Graham Brady, Charles Walker and Mark Harper are the important ones due to the 1922 and CRG respectively.

420972 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1130 of 2057 🔗

I emailed my MP, MSP, list MSP and leader of the Conservative Party (Ruth Davidson) yesterday; so far no reply from any of them. If anything useful comes of it I will report back.

421207 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Guirme, #1131 of 2057 🔗

It doesn’t work I have given up with mine, however emails to the Chairman of the 1922 committee is very important and is far more likely to yield results than your own MP.

420883 nic, 16, #1132 of 2057 🔗

Seething today walked around town in to morrisons .and the shopping centre unmasked , and with an end the lockdown t shirt on hoping someone would challenge me, but dam , nobody did, shame because I would have given them both barrels.

420885 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #1133 of 2057 🔗

A friend of mine was recently stopped driving on the motorway by the rozzers

After the usual name and address formalities they asked him if his journey was essential

He said the journey was essential but that he didn’t wish to say where he was going because it was a deeply personal matter

The rozzers insisted he tell them. He insisted that he wasn’t obliged to tell them

This went back and fore for about twenty minutes. The rozzers came up with the usual bullshit that it was the law and he had to tell them (not true but hey ho)

In the end he said “Okay if its the law and you know more about these things than I do then I will have to tell you”

“I’m on my way to commit suicide I’m just looking for a suitable bridge to jump off”

He added that he was recording the conversation as they were likely to be the last persons to have seen him alive and the Coroner may be interested in the contents of his mobile phone

This forced them to detain him under the Mental Health Act and they took him to the police station. He spent five hours at the nick escorted by two officers at all times. Another two officers had the onerous task of recording the contents of his junk filled car

After five hours he was taken to he local psychiatric ward for assessment. The officers were obliged to remain with him. After a two hour wait he was seen in private by a psychiatrist and a nurse

When interviewed he burst out laughing and told the psychiatrist he didn’t have anything to that day so he thought he would spend the day fucking the police about

The Psychiatrist and the nurse found his tale hilarious. The Psychiatrist ordered the police to take the madman home. The Psychiatrist who was now in on the joke also instructed the police to purchase the madman a fish and chip supper on the way (The police never questioned why their patient needed a fish and chip supper)

Anyway he made the pub that evening, the ‘how was your day’ part was hysterical

I feel in my waters that some wag will try and outdo him in the days to came

420895 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cecil B, 13, #1134 of 2057 🔗

In tying up police time in dealing with this, he saved others from being harassed. Brilliant!

420902 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1135 of 2057 🔗

If he made the pub then he should have been arrested again, along with the landlord and all other clientele. Pubs are illegal.

420914 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1136 of 2057 🔗

Can you imagine if everyone did this when stopped by the pigs?
Could easily turn this into internet gold
#suicidechallenge

420918 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1137 of 2057 🔗

brilliant – thanks for making me laugh Cecil – think i’m going mad too!!

420944 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1138 of 2057 🔗

Sounds like fiction, amazing how lockdown feeds the imagination.

420985 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anti_socialist, #1139 of 2057 🔗

Fiction moi?

420987 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1140 of 2057 🔗

Ahem.
Cecil has a rather convincing way with words.
Be sure to count your change.

420997 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 1, #1141 of 2057 🔗

And check you still have a wrist watch.

421028 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1142 of 2057 🔗

I would be really careful in trying this for real, as your assets can be seized under the mental Health Act.

421080 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1143 of 2057 🔗

Also would be un-cool if the shrink was married to a plod …

420898 merlin, replying to merlin, 13, #1144 of 2057 🔗

If the fuckers are keeping us locked down until july, why bother with the 1st generation vaxxseens, let’s wait for the brand new gold plated timbuktu variant proof ones that arrive in the autumn.

420903 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to merlin, 4, #1145 of 2057 🔗

They’ve been bought. Shame not to use them.

420907 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to merlin, 5, #1146 of 2057 🔗

Well the mRNA type cocktails only take a few seconds to design on a computer, so I would hope they can bring out a new one every month.

420917 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Richard O, 1, #1147 of 2057 🔗

I fear this is the ultimate plan. Wancocks new health service will provide home tests and mRNA vaccines, if you want any other type of treatment you can go spin.

420927 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to merlin, 2, #1148 of 2057 🔗

The Saffers ( ImmunityBio) are working on a less variant prone vaccine based on the nucleocapsid instead of the spike. This would be better news in terms of annual jaborees (our fake CovviPasses may be valid for 10 years) but fewer dollahs for the Big Players.

420938 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to merlin, 2, #1149 of 2057 🔗

Don’t give em ideas!

420998 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1150 of 2057 🔗

Don’t give them your DNA, Spike!

420911 Ross Hendry, 12, #1151 of 2057 🔗

An extraordinary meeting of the Berlin Corona Committee, today 6 p.m. International Part (in English)

World-famous, high-profile personalities will comment on the status of ongoing international legal disputes, including various class actions. But it will also be discussed how in particular those primarily responsible (also and primarily politically) for the crimes against humanity committed here will be held to civil and criminal responsibility within the framework of a new International Court of Justice with international members to be established in accordance with the requirements of the Nuremberg Trials can and must.

You will find the link to the special meeting of the Corona Committee announced here on February 17th. via the committee’s website http://corona-ausschuss.de (open tab ‘Sitzungen’ to find livestream). The link will likely not appear until a while before broadcast.

420921 C S, replying to C S, 6, #1152 of 2057 🔗

Seems to be lost on most people that through all of last year there was no talk of “mutant” variations and yet ever since optimism around things being able to open up again increased given the roll out of a vaccine we keep hearing about new variants on a near-daily basis. Maybe vaccines became scared by the prospects of a vaccine so only started to mutate as they were rolled out? Wouldnt put it past some people to actually think that…

420994 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to C S, 2, #1153 of 2057 🔗

I remember an Icelandic team I think it was, early in 2020, saying they had found thousands of mutant variations. No doubt that research was accurate. But of course from a statistical point of view any chancer at Imperial College, LSHTM etc who wants to make a name for themselves can claim to have found a new “strain” and put it on their CV.

420931 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1154 of 2057 🔗

Earth to Pfeffel. You are much worse than OJ….

Mirror Online: Boris Johnson compares himself to OJ Simpson after struggling to don gloves.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-compares-himself-oj-23515430

420935 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1155 of 2057 🔗

Boris has certainly killed more people.

421011 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1156 of 2057 🔗

Birds of a feather…

421070 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1157 of 2057 🔗

Oooooooh, big-time Freudian slip !

421073 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1158 of 2057 🔗

The only similarity between Johnson and OJ is that Piffle is going to be put on trial as well.

420933 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1159 of 2057 🔗

BBC News

‘Volunteers who are deliberately exposed to coronavirus in the world’s first Covid-19 human challenge trial will receive around £4,500 to participate in the study.’

Parents selling their children for £4.500. We have gone full Nazi

‘Human Challenge Trial’ what PR wonk (yes wonk) came up with that?

Makes it sound like ‘It’s a Knockout’

Eddie Waring laughing hysterically “Look, look he was only jabbed two minutes ago and he’s falling over all ready”

Oh how we laughed

Anyway, if this is 1972 the pubs must be open

420940 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1160 of 2057 🔗

For anyone considering an experimental gene therapy, better off getting £4,500 and get on this trial. Even Better to stop buying the covid lies and live free.

420947 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1161 of 2057 🔗

I think if I was aged 18-30 (the age range for the trial) I would be quite willing to take part in that, unless I was required to take a vaccine as part of the trial.

But to have a bit of virus squirted up the noise (or whatever they do) to simulate a natural infection of sorts should give some good insight as to what viral load is needed to cause infection, and what the body’s response is.

It’s a bit late to be doing this now though.

421513 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Coronabonus, #1163 of 2057 🔗

You wouldn’t get me participating with a virus like the Spanish influenza virus!

And then there was Jenner’s innoculation of the eight year oild boy with cowpox, now that was a bit dubious regardless of what came out of it.

But a relatively mild virus like SARS-C0V-2, to consenting adults, who shouldn’t be badly affected, a bit different. Although I can see both sides of the argument.

The experimental vaccine experiments including those on children, well that’s positively Mengelean of course.

421068 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, #1164 of 2057 🔗

‘Human Challenge Trial’ – That could even replace ‘Strictly’ on the Beeb.

Piers Morgan to present?

421228 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Old Bill, #1165 of 2057 🔗

Rather to participate….

421805 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Old Bill, #1166 of 2057 🔗

Each day’s casualties can be shown on electronic billboards everywhere with patriotic music played a la Hunger Games

421157 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, #1167 of 2057 🔗

The poor of Carthage sold their children to be sacrificed to Baal Hammon instead of the children of the elite. When Baal Hammon failed to protect them the wealthy started sacrificing their own children (in greater numbers just in case). Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

421329 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cecil B, -1, #1168 of 2057 🔗

I heard about this on the radio in the car. It sounded ok to me. It might be useful to see if mask wearing actually makes a difference or if, as I suspect, they might make infections worse.

Better to use real life studies over modelling in my opinion.

420942 stewart, replying to stewart, 2, #1169 of 2057 🔗

Is this UnHerd interview with a sceptic government scientist good news?

Or is it scary that he feels he needs to come out and stand up against permanent lockdown?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3TV1OZgWmM

421004 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to stewart, 1, #1170 of 2057 🔗

How on earth can he be saying those things yet at the same time be the one responsible for the effing model driving all this bull? Change your model! Game over!

421017 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to stewart, #1171 of 2057 🔗

Actually watching it more I see what you mean – shoots of hope? The more deranged the official narrative becomes zero Covid etc the more scientists who have been complicit to date might start rejecting this narrative and speaking up. So maybe we should be encouraging the nutters to reveal the extent of their lunacy? I suspect there’s a lot of personal positioning going on behind the scenes.

421052 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 2, #1172 of 2057 🔗

He was on Talk Radio yesterday. He says opening up now would lead to an R rate of 4 and hundreds of thousands of deaths. He’s talking out of both side sof his mouth. SPI-M member

420945 isobar, replying to isobar, 16, #1173 of 2057 🔗

There is an article currently running in the Sun online on Bozo’s ‘Waiting Game’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14075546/boris-johnson-lockdown-stages-hospitality-last-reopen/

160 readers comments; interesting that the top rated comment (54 upvotes) is

If the vaccines are working and cases are going down just open the country let nature take its course….. the more you keep people in lockdown the more rules will be broken, and in turn will lead to discontent….. stop listening to the so cold scientists if it was upto them we’ll be in lockdown until the new millennia’

Maybe like, as it would seem some of the DM readers have, some Sun readers are also beginning to wake up to what a scam this all is.

420951 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 1, #1174 of 2057 🔗

I liked the “ so cold ” typo….or was it deliberate?

420964 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, #1175 of 2057 🔗

I wondered that too; guess it was meant to say ‘so called’, but nice dig if it wasn’t

420991 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richard O, 2, #1176 of 2057 🔗

Sometimes the gods guide the typos.

421226 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to isobar, #1177 of 2057 🔗

54 upvotes for the top rated comment in The SUN?
Murdoch will have to start begging soon.

420946 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 3, #1178 of 2057 🔗

Clear solution we need full containment suits with an independent filtered air supply and decontamination rooms.Thats how to face this deadly threat!

420999 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Teddy Edward, 1, #1179 of 2057 🔗
420948 iansn, replying to iansn, 17, #1180 of 2057 🔗

‘Caution was our friend’, says Prof McLean on first lockdown findingsWhen asked about the easing of the first lockdown, she Professor Angela McLean added: “Caution was our friend – we did actually ease it pretty slowly and I would say things went very well.
“From May to September I would give a big tick and say that was well managed. In November we were hit with that new variant and, with hindsight, we came out of the November lockdown too early.”
Can anyone else smell the bullshit. That new variant, what utter bollox

420952 ▶▶ jb12, replying to iansn, 2, #1181 of 2057 🔗

The ‘lockdown affected summer levels’ is the bigger bullshit that means we are going to be in lockdown this summer.

420990 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to iansn, 2, #1182 of 2057 🔗

Utter utter shite.

421221 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to iansn, 1, #1183 of 2057 🔗

Other countries went in more early, stayed in for longer- made no difference at all.
If anything, it worsened it.
But they know that, why do I bother.

420953 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1184 of 2057 🔗
420955 this is my username, 10, #1186 of 2057 🔗

Vaccine passports are one step closer to “exit visas” like they have in communist countries to stop people escaping

420956 Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #1187 of 2057 🔗

You will OWN NOTHING, and you will be HAPPY” | Douglas Kruger shows the DANGERs Great Reset

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK3_H4jI-ZA

Douglas Kruger

The Centre for Risk Analysis interviews Douglas Kruger, author of ‘Political Correctness Does More Harm Than Good’ and ‘Poverty Proof,’ on why communal ownership is not a viable prospect for human flourishing: ‘Someone ultimately owns, and therein lies the con.’

Douglas Kruger is a speaker and author of several bestselling books, including the new guide to debunking terrible politically correct ideas. Find his books in paperback and ebook format here:

420967 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 14, #1188 of 2057 🔗

Why I am not taking the vaccine (I think!)
1 The illness Covid 19 has been consistently made out to be far more serious than it is and this message has been relentlessly reinforced every day by government through news, media and briefings.
2 Lockdown takes away the responsibility of the individual to assess risk concerning Covid 19 and and the government has grossly under reported the side effects of lockdown.
3 No clear medical evidence that masks achieve anything in relation to viral spread.especially in the community but my guess true in the hospital setting as well. and yet the government mandated them for shopping.
4 The medical profession has miss used the PCR test and redefined what a medical case/infection is.
5 Track and trace and having to give name and phone numbers to go for a coffee etc is another attack on freedom. The government could have said be more careful and if unwell stay at home.
Mass testing was seen as a way out of the “pandemic ” but in my opinion testing maintained it.
Public heath agencies treat you like children and not adults.
6 All this as resulted in a massive attack on the freedom of the individual, family and community life.
7 The vaccine is made out to be something we all need and will help us to move on from all of the above which have in my opinion, to a great extent, been artificially created.
8 Any information/statistics that highlights vaccination adverse reactions including death appear to be suppressed.
9Alternative drug therapies including vitamins have been down played.

Never the less I am willing to accept the vaccine is relatively safe and could help prevent serious illness. However I find it hard to conclude how any positive effects of the vaccine are going to be assessed in a reality since most are not at risk and many at the other end of the spectrum are going to die soon anyway. I suspect the vaccine may save some lives, I am going to concede that, but in the grand scheme of life and death I think it will be a relatively small number at a colossal cost per life saved.

I think the government will attribute any tailing off of deaths/cases to be because of the vaccine but in all likelihood it will be the virus taking it’s natural course.

So I will not be taking the vaccine for now, someone might persuade me but it won’t be the government.

My wife will take the vaccine she thinks it is relatively safe, she was 50/50 at one point. I laid out my reasons as above. We got talking about death- she did say that it is possible to get Covid19 and not die but be a cabbage for the rest of your life. Thanks! maybe she could get job promoting vaccinations.

420980 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steeve, 4, #1189 of 2057 🔗

A cabbage would be banned by Wankok as being too intelligent.

420992 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Annie, 1, #1190 of 2057 🔗

Love it – you made me laugh!

421015 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steeve, 5, #1191 of 2057 🔗

possible to get Covid19 and not die but be a cabbage for the rest of your life.

So that’s what happened to Fat Boy!

421042 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1192 of 2057 🔗

Astute observation Prof!

421081 ▶▶ iane, replying to Steeve, 2, #1193 of 2057 🔗

‘she did say that it is possible to get Covid19 and not die but be a cabbage for the rest of your life’

Hmm, had she just been watching Bozo?

421127 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to iane, #1194 of 2057 🔗

Ha Makes sense now – she wants me to be vaccinated in case I end up like Boris. To be honest it is a compelling argument!

421541 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steeve, #1195 of 2057 🔗

why I will not be taking the vaccine: because it’s a fucking lethal injection aimed at genocide

420969 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #1196 of 2057 🔗

Government announces that the goal posts have been moved to New Zealand / Outer Space (delete as appropriate).

420975 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1197 of 2057 🔗

Strange headline.
UK population now in the region of 67 million.
Target population 1000.
That’s an awful lot of deaths attributable to lockdown.

420984 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Annie, 2, #1198 of 2057 🔗

hmmm…I think that’s a little joke.

421050 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to OKUK, #1199 of 2057 🔗

Yep, a bit of photoshopping going on there…

421067 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Annie, #1200 of 2057 🔗

Freudian slip?

421077 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Annie, 1, #1201 of 2057 🔗

Hah, Bill Gates obviously designed the policy!

421661 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, #1202 of 2057 🔗

The target is 10%.

420979 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1203 of 2057 🔗

The UK will be very empty, population 1,000, probably the human population when the Doggerland land bridge still existed…

420970 smithey, replying to smithey, 3, #1204 of 2057 🔗

Duke of Edinburgh admitted to hospital last night – one month after having his Covid jab

420974 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to smithey, 3, #1205 of 2057 🔗

At his age a breeze could knock him down.

420977 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to smithey, 5, #1206 of 2057 🔗

NHS hospital?

RIP

420986 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to smithey, 1, #1207 of 2057 🔗

Was it informed consent? Can’t really imagine him wanting the vaccine. “Load of stuff and nonsense at my age…”

420995 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to smithey, 2, #1208 of 2057 🔗

Even the placebos are dangerous at his age.

421000 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to smithey, 8, #1209 of 2057 🔗

Ivermectin can kill parasites, I wonder if they treat him with it?

421074 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1210 of 2057 🔗

Interesting – could I advise its use throughout the ‘civil’ ‘service’?

421095 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to smithey, 1, #1211 of 2057 🔗

Oh… wait… not a tickle of sympathy from my end…

421122 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to smithey, 3, #1212 of 2057 🔗

How did the jab get through the lizard skin?

421190 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to smithey, 1, #1213 of 2057 🔗

Die you old nazi bastard

420982 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1215 of 2057 🔗

Typical nasty bedwetters showing their true colours.

420983 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 8, #1216 of 2057 🔗

Took the Covid personality test Toby details in today’s post. Generally seem well thought out questions and I would recommend if you have a spare 15 minutes. Turns out that I am a rebel. Who would have guessed that a Lockdown Sceptics reader would be a rebel?

421098 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Guirme, 2, #1217 of 2057 🔗

What a surprise. So am I!

420988 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 13, #1218 of 2057 🔗

Setting aside my tin foil onesie for a second, the government cannot lift restrictions in any meaningful way this year because they simply do not and cannot know whether any of the vaccines are effective until 2022 at the very earliest. They have created a huge problem for themselves with the propaganda that the vaccines are an unqualified success. Hoist by their own petard.

420993 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 2, #1219 of 2057 🔗

you mean because the case numbers are too low until next winter?

421019 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 1, #1220 of 2057 🔗

More that we need to wait for at least a year with the cohorts already vaccinated to assess short and medium term effectiveness i.e. another full winter cycle.

421036 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 1, #1221 of 2057 🔗

and a few years to look for side effects and ADE

421178 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, #1222 of 2057 🔗

There’s talk already of an autumn top up!

421114 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, #1223 of 2057 🔗

They will not be looking for any side effects
all casualties will be put down as “Covid related” deaths
they have already admitted as much

421002 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 3, #1224 of 2057 🔗

New”cases” show an increase in Scotland today from 803 last Wednesday to 1,121 today. Testing has also increased from 19,469 last Wednesday to 24,343 today. Is increased testing Sturgeon’s plan to keep the panic going amongst the brain dead masses?

421177 ▶▶ semper dissentio, replying to Guirme, 1, #1225 of 2057 🔗

That’s 4.1 and 4.6 % positive rates, barely above the FPR.
As usual, context ‘missing in action’.

421003 C S, replying to C S, 15, #1226 of 2057 🔗

Wonder if there is any merit in bringing a case against the government on the basis that lockdowns prevent me from being able to gain exposure to pathogens that will help boost my immune system?

421013 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to C S, 4, #1227 of 2057 🔗

i expect this to be the subject of endless reports in future years. along with superbugs created by overuse of handsanitiser and early deaths due to stress and the breaking of normal support systems

421029 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to C S, 7, #1228 of 2057 🔗

or perhaps this is State Terrorism?…and we are all being unduly HARASSED?

If you had this sort of treatment from a person in normal life you would go to your local Police Station and report a crime?….just a thought

421174 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to C S, 1, #1229 of 2057 🔗

I cannot see why you couldn’t, in fact they are harming 70m people by masking and isolating us and then there’s the ,jab we really don’t need.

421005 Steve Martindale, 16, #1230 of 2057 🔗

Listened to the lunchtime news, could not believe my ears, Sarah Montague was pressing various experts on the basis that as we now have to live with covid, what sort of level of deaths can we accept without having to lock-down again? She struggled to get a straight answer out of any of them but for a BBC news person it was encouraging that she clearly felt that ‘zero-covid’ was impossible and we had to learn to live with it.

421007 awildgoose, 11, #1231 of 2057 🔗

Why would anyone want to turn their body into a spike protein factory with the mRNA jab?

There are multiple studies on the CV-2 spike protein and adverse reactions caused by the spike protein:

SARS-CoV-2 spike protein-mediated cell signaling in lung vascular cells – ScienceDirect

Thus, SARS-CoV-2 spike protein-mediated cell growth signaling may participate in adverse cardiovascular/pulmonary outcomes

421010 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 1, #1232 of 2057 🔗

I had some cracking photos of shabby Care Home practices but the images are too big to upload and I’m shit at tech sorry another day perhaps.

421018 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Teddy Edward, 4, #1233 of 2057 🔗

Be careful about uploading photos they usually had lots of information tagged into the exif data. You can check this data by uploading your snaps here:
http://exif-viewer.com/

421021 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Teddy Edward, #1234 of 2057 🔗

Open in Paint (if you’re on Windows) then click Resize and enter say 20%/20% for Vertical and Horizontal. Save as a new name. That will reduce the size by 25x.

421049 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1235 of 2057 🔗

That would work. I’m lazy – I just open the photo, open a word document and insert screenshot of the photo into word and save that image

421059 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, #1236 of 2057 🔗

Good workaround. I’m too tight for Word lol – I have OpenOffice Writer but have never even opened it!

421103 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1237 of 2057 🔗

you are not missing much! I only have word because work pays. wouldn’t go near it in my spare time!

421022 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Teddy Edward, 3, #1238 of 2057 🔗

Uk column been reporting about care homes. whistleblowers speaking to them about nhs etc. we should be careful not to demonise care homes or blame them, as lots have reported no covid until vax came in, and now increase in deaths/illness. I can see care homes being scapegoats going forward.

421115 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to pub with no beer, #1239 of 2057 🔗

Some of them damn well deserve it.

421024 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Teddy Edward, 2, #1240 of 2057 🔗

Perhaps get in contact with the UkColumn people.

421033 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Teddy Edward, 1, #1241 of 2057 🔗

Set up a onedrive account or other online/cloud server account then upload them to there and just post the link.

That works a treat.

421038 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Teddy Edward, 1, #1242 of 2057 🔗

Teddy you can send them to me at helianthemum (at) protonmail.com and I will remove the exif data for you and resize them for you. Or put them into your google drive and send me a link – whichever is easier.

421092 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Teddy Edward, 1, #1243 of 2057 🔗

Strip out all exit data from the photos using irfranview (windows) or G-Thumb (Linux)

421533 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Teddy Edward, 1, #1244 of 2057 🔗

do a screenshot

421012 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 43, #1245 of 2057 🔗

The local testing centre has been dismantled.

Looks like the one in newcastle-under-lyme Rycroft car park going the same way.

Been past a few new ones today I’ve not been past before in “hotspot” areas- all empty. One looked abandoned.

Went past a vaccination centre – empty.

Someone somewhere is telling porkies.

But good to see the social distancing signs, barriers etc disappearing from builder’s merchants I go to regularly. Today they even offered me a cup of coffee from the machine while waiting and which has big signs on ti saying “not to be used due to covid” and so on. No social distancing, no questions if not wearing a mask, masks off when they see me not wearing one.

One guy even said while we were all chatting at the coffee machine that an elderly relative of his has been fighting pneumonia and the care home nursing staff has told him if she gets covid she will be finished so keep her out of hospital as long as we/you can as she will probably get it there and they will finish her off. It will be a covid death although it is her other health problems (she’s in her 90s) she was dying of anyway that were the real reason.

More people waking up to these inconvenient facts now and NHS losing it’s shine and no-one could defend any of the Government’s actions and can see the blatant goalpost moving but then they were mostly self-employed manual tradesmen.

421014 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1246 of 2057 🔗

Shame the BBC don’t do reporting like this!

421016 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steeve, 11, #1247 of 2057 🔗

Who needs journalists when we’ve got AG on our team?

421034 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Steeve, 13, #1248 of 2057 🔗

The BBC like the Tories are ‘DEAD’ as far as I am concerned…they no longer exist………

421109 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, #1249 of 2057 🔗

Getting ready for the stabathon supermarket sweep.

421025 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 15, #1250 of 2057 🔗

Just overheard the wife on the phone to her work colleagues, one of those has just had the experimental jab. She said she wasn’t worried at all about getting it and only took it as she was “terrified of spreading it to other people”. Guess she wasn’t told that it doesn’t stop you spreading it.

421027 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ThomasT, 10, #1251 of 2057 🔗

Informed Consent eh?
lo fukin l

421030 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to ThomasT, 5, #1252 of 2057 🔗

Hero’s one and all

421040 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to ThomasT, 20, #1253 of 2057 🔗

Unless people shake off this ridilulous notion that we are all walking cauldrens of hot, steaming Covid it is going to be a long, slow journey back to normal. It was bad enough last summer and is likely to be even worse when this lockdown is ‘eased’. Even during December and January the huge majority of folk were perfectly healthy yet the ‘act like you’ve got it’ nonsense has worked far too well and is going to be difficult to reverse.

421051 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 10, #1254 of 2057 🔗

I checked my postcode earlier and apparently even in the peak last April there was only a max of 20 cases a day in my whole county. Yesterday there was only 6 new cases reported. Puts it in perspective a bit. Taking into account false positives, it means theres practically no new cases in my area at the moment.

421057 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to ThomasT, 2, #1255 of 2057 🔗

40 cases a day here

and 15 admitted a day to hospital (or 15 of the hundreds of hospital admissions tested +ve – either correctly or falsely)

Its absolutely negligible

we expect 22 all cause deaths a day and ‘covid’ is running at 3

421086 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to ThomasT, 1, #1256 of 2057 🔗

Same in this entire county … it reports just 20 cases per day in mid February.

Of this, 90% may be false positives, if they’re still using PCR with too many replications cycles.

So … it’s two cases per day.

421181 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 6, #1257 of 2057 🔗

I hoping it’s going to be a very long hot summer just to see the idiots sweating into their masks – I’ve had enough already of this stupidity –

I’ve sadly just decided enough is enough with another very close mate who says ‘Masks work, they’re not compulsory so if you don’t want to wear one then don’t”. I don’t have the energy to keep sending him articles. It’s not just about us in the UK- In France every child over 6 has to wear a mask ffs. They’re compulsory in lots of countries.
Less friends like this the better.

421088 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to ThomasT, 1, #1258 of 2057 🔗

Hopefully you told her…?

421528 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ThomasT, 1, #1259 of 2057 🔗

I don’t give a shit about spreading it to other people. if they can only survive by pumping poison into my body, then they can just drop dead for all I care. just as they would if they could only survive by taking possession of my vital organs.

421041 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1260 of 2057 🔗

Anybody noticed how shitty patel is keeping pretty much right out of corona bollocks? She has hardly said anything, especially recently. The new PM?

It would be perfect to have a pretty lady wielding the iron fist of fascism for the next three years. Much more acceptable to the sheeple. Female tyrants are really the way to go.

421043 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1261 of 2057 🔗

and Rishi. I think most of them are keeping their heads down.

421044 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1262 of 2057 🔗

she ticks the Diversity boxes yes…

421048 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1263 of 2057 🔗

Very much an insider to The Cabal.

421113 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1264 of 2057 🔗

E.g, the diverges-from-sanity box.

421045 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1265 of 2057 🔗

Gove has been very quiet of late as well, presumably for the same reason.

421047 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1266 of 2057 🔗

The poison pygmy probably can’t see over the pulpit

421055 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1267 of 2057 🔗

You should feel lucky – look at what Ireland has to offer….

421296 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to godowneasy, #1268 of 2057 🔗

He is quite a damp squib alright. The wrong man at the wrong time.

421053 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1269 of 2057 🔗

Apparently they are bringing out a variant of the postcode lottery.

421063 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steeve, 1, #1270 of 2057 🔗

Holding up a massively enlarged Statutory Sick Pay cheque doesn’t have quite the same Wow Factor.

421075 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steeve, 1, #1271 of 2057 🔗

Yes – you could be one of the lucky ones in. Shielding postcode

421060 isobar, replying to isobar, 36, #1272 of 2057 🔗

More evidence that people have finally woken up and smelt the coffee?
Updated story in the Daily Fail online

‘Boris confirms pubs WILL be last to open amid furious backlash from MPs and business over his ‘plan for daily cases to drop below 1,000 and wait until JULY before ending lockdown’ as even SCIENTISTS say he could go faster’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9269163/Hospital-bosses-call-lockdown-SUMMER-cases-need-drop-tenfold.html

Readers comments overwhelmingly critical.

Best rated comment:

‘Stop people from contracting the virus in hospital and care homes.watch the figures tumble even more’. (4000 upticks 57 downticks)

Second best rated comment :

‘Everyone advocating further lockdown should immediately give up 50% of their pension, income, savings and donate it to eveyone who has lost their livelihoods or is struggling to put food on the table and pay their mortgages. After all.. we are all in this together. Right?’ (3736 upticks 328 downticks)

421064 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to isobar, 4, #1273 of 2057 🔗

Hallelujah

421066 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to isobar, 16, #1274 of 2057 🔗

I lost a good friend when I said exactly that to her…would she give up 50% of her NHS PENSION?……..

she told me not to text her again?………C’est La Vie

421071 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Luckyharry69, 13, #1275 of 2057 🔗

That’s what often happens when people are losing their argument.

421076 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #1276 of 2057 🔗

to be fair she wanted to know where I was getting my ‘alternative’ information from…so I referred her to all the websites we watch like UK Column………

421585 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Luckyharry69, 1, #1277 of 2057 🔗

Best just to say the ONS. True really. LS, UKC et al are just interpreting the Government’s own data because the Government themselves don’t want to because they can’t look up from their poorly constructed models.

421083 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Luckyharry69, 11, #1278 of 2057 🔗

I have ‘lost’ dozens of family and friends because I can’t deal with sanctimonious braindead bedwetters. However in my case , it has been me ending the relationship. No friends, no family, and I am happy.

421100 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to merlin, 9, #1279 of 2057 🔗

Excellent work, upholding your principles is more important than maintaining relationships with people who would turn you in to the authorities at the drop of a hat. Their loss, not yours.

421102 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to merlin, 5, #1280 of 2057 🔗

Its difficult though when your own family are taken in by this bullshit?…….I cant walk away from my family.

421111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #1281 of 2057 🔗

It has been done.

421166 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Luckyharry69, #1282 of 2057 🔗

Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

421362 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Luckyharry69, #1283 of 2057 🔗

Well, when the New World Order, states that you will ‘have nothing’ then it probably refers to family and friends as well. It depends for its existence on a principle of isolation. Although I admit I am no expert on the matter, just my opinion.

421163 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to merlin, 2, #1284 of 2057 🔗

I keep saying this but you are not alone Merlin. We are all in similar circumstances, we have all lost friends and relations but none that really mattered.

421380 ▶▶▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to merlin, 2, #1285 of 2057 🔗

I had a big argument with my parents last night. My father, who recovered from covid less than 3 months ago, was scheduled for his jab today. I told him that he should read more about it before blindly accepting it, but both him and my mum accused me of arrogance to think that I knew more than governments and doctors.

421638 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to divoc origi 19, 1, #1286 of 2057 🔗

Moreover, you have not been paid one tenth/hundredth as much as government advisors have been raking in from this fraud.

421069 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 5, #1287 of 2057 🔗

The headline is important, because that is the message that is widely consumed and internalised. No lifting of restrictions until July at the earliest is the new “three weeks to flatten the curve”.

421108 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 2, #1288 of 2057 🔗

Furious backlash. Great.
Whose backs would you like to lash, friends?

421072 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #1289 of 2057 🔗

I’m genuinely in two (or possibly several!) minds about the vaccine.
1. I certainly think it has been brought about in almost indelicate haste but on the other hand the pharmaceutical bureaucracy probably drags its feet in the approval of many valuable treatments.
2. If it speeds the end of lockdown wouldn’t we all be wise to take it? On the other hand that is effectively allowing myself to be bullied and blackmailed. It’s pure extortion. I’ve never given into bullies and I don’t mind being a hold out against the herd.
3. The Gibraltar situation is interesting but I am no more going to be hysterical about a very small vaccine risk than I am about the very small risk of dying from actual covid. Antibody Dependent Enhancement at some future point as new wild strains arise is a bigger worry than falling down dead a few days after vaccination. We just cannot know what we are dealing with until or if it happens.
4. I really don’t like the implications of vaccine passports, digital IDs and having to be inoculated against a disease unlikely to kill me to be able to do things I did freely for the first 50 odd years of my life. What if I don’t make a stand now because I’m desperate to get back to normal but we don’t get back to normal we just get more and more new normal?
5. Is it right for me to call for the lifting of lockdown on the basis of rising community immunity through vaccination of the vulnerable but then refuse to be vaccinated myself? Am I selfishly expecting other people to have the shot so I can get out of jail free?

It’s all come to a head today as I had the call from my GP asking me to book in for my jab. I told them I needed to give it further thought.

Sorry for the stream of consciousness. I genuinely don’t know what to do to be saved anymore. I have never worn a mask and I haven’t been in a shop since before Christmas. We still see many friends and family but we have also lost friends and broken familial ties because of disagreements over lockdown. I’ve given up following the news and even much of the alternative media. I used to comment widely on The Telegraph, Spectator and social media but I’m sick of banging my head on a brick wall these days. I’m a hairs breadths from total despair.

421085 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 19, #1290 of 2057 🔗

Nobody can tell you what to do. Just understand that it won’t ever stop at this one vaccine. It will be this vaccine then another vaccine then the microchip then your complete imprisonment. Everyone must know where to draw their line in the sand. I guess if you knew that Covid-19 could be quite easily beaten with medication… would you still allow yourself to be coerced into an experimental vaccine?

421120 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Pebbles, 3, #1291 of 2057 🔗

Oh I am well aware of that and don’t disagree with you.

421269 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Pebbles, 9, #1292 of 2057 🔗

It won’t ever end. I can’t take credit for it, but I will paraphrase something I heard yesterday re: mandatory vaccination. When the government wields its power to use our bodies and expose us to personal health risks in an attempt to protect other people, the word for that is slavery.

421089 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #1293 of 2057 🔗

It’s up to you what you do, but just consider this: this won’t be the only vaccine they will make you take.

Edit: cross-posting; you beat me to it, Pebbles. 🙂

421168 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1294 of 2057 🔗

When I went to Chile I was told I had to have this or that jab or I wouldn’t be allowed to join the group. Call it coercion if you like. I got jabbed and had a fantastic holiday. My choice.

421101 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 16, #1295 of 2057 🔗

The governments plan from the start has been to confuse and demoralise us. They have us exactly where they want us begging for normality to return.

As you rightfully say though there is no indication that the vaccine will bring normality, this sets a precedent that will be extremely difficult to reverse, the government are blackmailing you and us alike, the taking of the vaccine consents to the policy of lockdown leading up to it.

I for one don’t consent to this despot government. Short of losing my job and being forced to go hungry the vaccine is a hard pass for me. Even if someone told me it was 100% safe I still would not take it.

Far be it from me though to dictate what someone chooses to do in regard to their own health. In fact in a free and fair society this choice is at the very heart of it.

421105 ▶▶ Annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1296 of 2057 🔗

I’n with you, Dragon. I’n beginning to think I might have the effing useless snake oil just to cut the cackle.
Before going to Egypt years ago, I dutifully went for a cholera jab and it made me feel rotten. When I got there, everybody laughed and said the cholera jab was known to be useless.
Needles shneedles, I’m so sore already that a bit more won’t make a lot of difference.

As for total despair, NO WAY.I’ll see the swine dead first.

421132 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Annie, 9, #1297 of 2057 🔗

Thanks Annie. Good to know I’m not alone. I had to have the cholera vaccine in 1977 to go on a school trip to Majorca of all places. Two hours after the jab I passed out and was off school for 2 days. I’ve had plenty of vaccines since with no ill effect.

My biggest objection is not side effects or efficacy but the simple right to weigh my own risk and make a choice without coercion or the threat of loss of freedom or being emotionally blackmailed as a potential granny killer. I am considered competent to decide whether to get on my horse, ride a motorbike, climb a step ladder so why not take a vaccine?

421182 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1298 of 2057 🔗

I regularly get on my horse, who is a rather nervy mare. And from time to time I fall off. I suppose any contact with my mare ought to be forbidden, in case I get hurt and burden the NHS.

At the start of Incarceration 1 we actually were forbidden to ride. Us liveries lasted about three weeks before saying ‘bugger that’ and getting back on. All riders know that the world looks best when viewed from between a horse’s ears.

421605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, #1299 of 2057 🔗

I regularly get on my horse, who is a rather nervy mare. And from time to time I fall off. I suppose any contact with my mare ought to be forbidden, in case I get hurt and burden the NHS .”

That is indeed the logic of the intrusively coercive seatbelt law.

The only difference is that the authoritarians haven’t had the political power to overwhelm the horse lobby. Yet.

421851 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Annie, #1300 of 2057 🔗

Annie I think you might enjoy this number – a standalone song tacked on to the end of Mike Oldfield’s album Ommadawn

It’s called ‘On Horseback’

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B62EO0rqRcM

421249 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Annie, 2, #1301 of 2057 🔗

Don’t do it Annie.

421258 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Annie, 2, #1302 of 2057 🔗

Oh Annie you may despair later when you realise you are expected to have continual boosters and annual jabs

421128 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 19, #1303 of 2057 🔗

Yes its a very difficult position to be in but nobody or thing can save you. There is only one saviour and He doesn’t come via a syringe.

You are currently in an abusive relationship with a govt that is lying to you and coercing you as you say. If this was a spouse treating you this way would allow yourself to be bullied, coerced into doing something that you know isn’t right? Would you take their advice if they said they would stop abusing you?

If you were in such a situation you would eventually know that the abuser will never stop until you make them stop. They love their power over you.

Same with the govt. By thinking taking this vaccine you will stop the abuse is all the signs of Stockholme syndrome.

This situation has all been created deliberately by the Govt for some overarching plan we can only surmise at. The only way to stop the abuse / abuser is to say ‘this an no more’. Good luck only you can fully appreciate your decision and what is best.

421154 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #1304 of 2057 🔗

Well put!

421153 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #1305 of 2057 🔗

One things for sure, once you step onto this particular travelator there is no getting off. Don’t despair and don’t be coerced into having something you are unhappy about. Remember this is not a vaccine, it has not been properly vetted and this evil government is using you as a lab rat. Do you want to be used as a lab rat or not?

421160 ▶▶ Marialta, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1306 of 2057 🔗

You could use an online COVID19 mortality risk calculator to assess your risk. It combines individual risk factors such as age, BMI, pre-existing medical conditions etc. I was curious so tried the calculator. I’ve rejected the invitation to be jabbed 3 times so far. It feels good despite pressure from family & friends and I feel like I’m in control.

421161 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #1307 of 2057 🔗

You have maybe forgotten – if people CHOOSE to be vaxxed then they can. It should NEVER be forced . The govt originally set their own stall at vaccinating the vulnerable and over 70s (just like flu).GBD has always been about focussed protection and is still relevant.If you are 50 something and healthy you have no need of the vax. Also on the community immunity point many folks have (supposedly) had c19 already and even Valance himself said that is best.So you should absolutely be resolute about ending lockdown regardless and not feel coerced for either a shot or a passport. You getting a shot you don’t want won’t help. It won’t stop the madness – it will probably make our children’s futures even bleaker. It is not you that has moved the goalposts.
I have to remind myself of all this every day. Of course you make your own choice -with an eye to how you may view yourself in the future.
Now I am off to move the direction signs for the testing centre to the other side of town 😁
Chin up

421171 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1308 of 2057 🔗

I think if you are seriously thinking of getting a jab, then maybe question what and when. They aren’t all the same. The Novavax, when it becomes available, seems like a more mature technology and appears to have had a decent trial period…

https://www.pharmtech.com/view/novavax-expands-covid-19-collaboration-and-license-agreement-with-sk-bioscience

421187 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to PoshPanic, #1309 of 2057 🔗

Kate Bingham was on that trial.

421231 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1310 of 2057 🔗

“I genuinely don’t know what to do to be saved anymore.”

There is only one Saviour – your doctor cannot save you, and an vaccine which will poison your body will not save you either.

I completely get that you’re in a quandry, but you surely realise by now that the government are using this crisis to conduct a medical experiment on the whole population. Please consider keeping yourself well out of harms way until things become clearer. Even Mark Zuckerberg said the vaccine genetically alters people. Dangerous stuff.

421266 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1311 of 2057 🔗

It is a difficult one, personally I don’t want it, can’t see the point and would rather rely on my immune system. Being brought up in a home where homeopathy ruled over conventional medicine I’ve only had vaccines for tetenus, measles and the wonderful polio sugar cube and am less inclined towards main stream medicines than others might be.

It’s always your choice,try not to feel pressed by others.

421291 ▶▶ TJN, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1312 of 2057 🔗

Do you have the flu jab?

If no, then why bother with the covid jab?

If yes, are you happy taking an untested ‘vaccine’ as an effective guinea pig, given your own perceived risk from covid?

Have you had covid? If yes, don’t have the jab.

That would be my train of thought.

The decision is a personal one for everyone of course, but one piece of advice I’d give to everyone is to absolutely not have the vaccine because of perceived social pressure.

One other thing, there’s absolutely no hurry. Don’t let anyone rush you into it. Anyone rushing you is trying to deceive you.

421338 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1313 of 2057 🔗

nobody is going to be saved on this earth, which is clearly ruled by Satan. put your faith in God. If you have the vaccine, you will die of an autoimmune disease 3-36 months later. if you don’t, then you will be rounded up and shot some time up to 5 years later. if you can, leave the country.

421375 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1314 of 2057 🔗

It’s all come to a head today as I had the call from my GP asking me to book in for my jab. I told them I needed to give it further thought.
Quite right they may be in a hurry but there is no need for you to be, it is a classic sales technique of trying to convince you it is urgent you do this but as far as you are concerned it is not urgent, you have all the time in the world. Tell them you need a while to consider this, you are giving up vaccinations for Lent and they can phone you back after Easter.

421579 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1315 of 2057 🔗

Is it right for me to call for the lifting of lockdown on the basis of rising community immunity through vaccination of the vulnerable but then refuse to be vaccinated myself

I personally am calling for the end of lockdown because it should never have started. It was always a wrong-headed policy. Community immunity is rising because the virus is endemic and has been around for nearly two seasons not because of “vaccines” which do not (manufacturers’ own statements) confer immunity just a lessening of symptoms. There are not enough vulnerable to confer community immunity anyway unless they are all in a care home. The vulnerable can consider whether their risk of death from Covid is higher than the risk of an adverse event from the “vaccine” and take it to reduce their personal risk if need be but this is not a path out for everyone (just the vulnerable) because anyone healthy and under 50 is highly unlikely to even be hospitalised with Covid – it’s almost irrelevant to them.

 No one should be made to feel responsible for another person’s health in this way.

421078 semper dissentio, replying to semper dissentio, 24, #1316 of 2057 🔗

The government can easily meet the test positivity target just by dropping the maximum PCR cycles permitted to 25. In the UK it can be 40 cycles. That means that in NZ (where the limit is 25) you have to have 2^15 times more viral protein in the sample to be classed as positive. That’s more than 32,000 times more material.
Also, in NZ, a positive test even at 25 cycles has to be confirmed with another one.
If the second is negative, that’s what stands.
(NZ hasn’t been so clever in other ways.)
The lying b’stards could just quietly wind it down from 40 to 25 over a few weeks, and claim victory ‘due to vaccination and lockdown’.
We’d all know it was a lie, but at least the life-destroying charade would be over.

421097 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to semper dissentio, 8, #1317 of 2057 🔗

and demand a clinical diagnosis alongside the PCT for each case. It would be barely above zero in no time

421298 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to steve_w, #1318 of 2057 🔗

“It would be barely above zero in no time”

Depends how much they offer to pay for the ‘clinical diagnosis’.

421137 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to semper dissentio, 7, #1319 of 2057 🔗

It is worrying and depressing that the Govt are not intending to use the vaccine as a ladder to free themselves from their straitjacket.

421149 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tiberius, 6, #1320 of 2057 🔗

Indeed you should be worried and depressed, this is real. What this government is doing is inhuman and evil.

421202 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tiberius, 4, #1321 of 2057 🔗

Yep.
They (and their ‘scientists’) KNOW about the shortcomings of the test, about the importance of its standardization and about the importance of doing a cohort study INSTEAD of using them like they do since June last year the latest.
They KNOW about the cts/NZ/OZ nos and thaat they could get to zero Covid that way too.
They KNOW that they could make the vaccines look like a success if they just standardized them to a low ct no. now.
They KNOW that their false positive rate ensures a constant case no of at least 25/100.000, likely much more, but just lowered their goal to 1.5.

Coupled with the unnecessarily denigrating and dangerous swabbing procedure and the even more so and likely upcoming shift to anal swabbing, this is MOST sinister indeed.

421302 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Tiberius, 1, #1322 of 2057 🔗

Great mixed metaphor!

421176 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to semper dissentio, 3, #1323 of 2057 🔗

But then their chums who run the testing companies won’t be making the cheddar. This is a form of money laundering.

421217 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to semper dissentio, #1324 of 2057 🔗

Oh really? Well that answers the question then about why so few false positives in NZ (that was a criticism of Yeadon’s PCR casedemic argument)

421079 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 14, #1325 of 2057 🔗

I purchased an annual travel insurance policy last year in March, which of course was pointless, but how was I to know.

I am getting renewal reminders now:
We hope that you’ve enjoyed your holidays this (last) year safe in the knowledge that you purchased your travel insurance …

I know it is a general text, but really?

421082 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silke David, 6, #1326 of 2057 🔗

I would call them up and give them both barrels.

421099 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 10, #1327 of 2057 🔗

Last year I got a letter telling me how very important it was to have an annual sight test, so I rang to book one. They said they would only see people who were in real difficulties, e.g.going blind. So why send the bloody letter? I wrote to them to that effect.

421087 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 24, #1328 of 2057 🔗

Nice to know that I’m a rebel at the age of 72.
You can take the boy out of the 60’s but you can’t take the 60’s out of the boy.

421134 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1329 of 2057 🔗

You don’t need to take a test to know if you’re a rebel or not surely 🙄

421553 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bella Donna, #1330 of 2057 🔗

Of course.

421090 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 13, #1331 of 2057 🔗

Friend’s husband is having trouble with his sight so went to the GP, who sent him to the opticians, who said he should have gone to A&E. The GP confessed that they would have normally sent him to A&E but were trying to avoid sending people to hospital. How an optician could have helped if they really did need emergency care, I have no idea.

421145 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to muzzle, 4, #1332 of 2057 🔗

That’s unbelievable. I recall, just a few years ago, an eye test revealed a syndrome that needed medical investigation. Pathway was optician sends referral letter to [patient’s] GP, and GP refers patient (without any intermediary consultation) to ophthalmology department at local hospital. When I asked the optician for his views on my condition he said that he was aware of various possible causes but without further specialist investigation it would be impossible for him to diagnose or suggest any necessary treatment.

421093 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #1333 of 2057 🔗

“Infection rates in the UK are coming down – more quickly than many thought they would given the new more contagious Kent variant.

The vaccination programme is also going well, providing protection to the most vulnerable. And the arrival of spring should be expected to help keep rates low.
So why the caution? While most believe Covid will become seasonal, a bounce-back in the summer is not being ruled out.

And even if rates rebound only a little, there are still large numbers of vulnerable people. Nearly half of hospitalisations have been in the under-70s.

What is more, high levels of infection at a time when vaccines are being rolled out and immunity being built provides the perfect breeding ground for new variants. Mutation may be unavoidable in the long-term, but encouraging them at this point would, many experts believe, be foolish.

It means the government is likely to be more cautious than some would want – and indeed maybe need to be, given the cost of lockdown.
But the judgement being made is it’s better to go slowly and surely, rather than having to take any more steps back.”

Nick Triggle at the BBC. So lockdown is to stop the mutants – good luck with that!

421110 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to steve_w, 4, #1334 of 2057 🔗

Covid already is already unsurprisingly seasonal, just like flu. People could be forgiven that you are a government apologist.

421118 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 12, #1335 of 2057 🔗

They are not going to let people out. I think there biggest fear is people start talking. A few weeks of normality could bring the house of cards down.

421125 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #1336 of 2057 🔗

I cant wait for the crowd reaction at Elland Road when the players ‘take the knee’…….

421186 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1337 of 2057 🔗

Could?
Will.

421477 ▶▶ popo says, replying to steve_w, #1338 of 2057 🔗

The mutants already got out , and are working in light entertainment

421106 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 33, #1339 of 2057 🔗

So 400,000 lateral tests per day to ‘hit the virus with a ton of bricks’ to quote Rabb.
As the prevalence of the virus in the community reduces , this brainless policy will ensure that the stupid 1,000 cases per day aim is never ever reached.
Are they completely mad, just unbelievable thick, or is this the sign that they never will remove the foot of the neck. By the way its described as the way back ‘to a new normal’ , that bit is no longer hidden.

421119 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to peyrole, 9, #1340 of 2057 🔗

Not classically mad, not that thick apart from Hancock, but certainly supremely evil, as are their globalist masters.

421192 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Rowan, 7, #1341 of 2057 🔗

Diabolical. I mean that literally.
It’s greatly to the advantage of the Devil that few people believe in him these days. One thing the Fascists (and in Wales, Stalinists) have shown us is what kind of face, or rather faces, he can wear. He’s more in the open now than ever before in the whole of history.

Put on the whole armour of God, if you have it. If you haven’t, you better get some other armour, but quick.

421239 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Annie, #1342 of 2057 🔗

He knows his time is short.

421312 ▶▶▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to Annie, #1343 of 2057 🔗

If the enemy is the science, and these globalists are the devil in disguise, maybe our only salvation is religion?

421124 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to peyrole, 12, #1344 of 2057 🔗

The government is insane so every thought or utterance from them gets ignored.

421142 ▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #1345 of 2057 🔗

They arent ‘insane’…they know EXACTLY what they are doing……..

421150 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Luckyharry69, #1346 of 2057 🔗

The tests that will show the world they’ve beaten the virus.

421129 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to peyrole, 5, #1347 of 2057 🔗

Locked Down Lives Matter.

421193 ▶▶ Annie, replying to peyrole, #1348 of 2057 🔗

So testing for the virus kills it, meh?

421289 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to peyrole, 2, #1349 of 2057 🔗

“Are they just unbelievable thick”
Not by a long way, but they think we are.

421116 alw, replying to alw, 19, #1350 of 2057 🔗


Luke Johnson
@LukeJohnsonRCP
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4h

Govt plans to post 400,000 tests a day to homes in a new testing blitz. Britain already has almost highest number of tests per million conducted of any country. But testing mania hasn’t stopped perhaps highest death toll per million. Govt keep pursuing failed policies.”

We should all send the tests straight back to Downing Street.

421123 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to alw, 10, #1351 of 2057 🔗

It will go straight in the bin

421131 ▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #1352 of 2057 🔗

Too right because we need to stop mass testing of the healthy because even with the vaccine, you can get infected and therefore test positive. If we don’t, cases will never drop below 1,000 and we’ll be doomed to just 7 weeks of freedom a year.

421156 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to robnicholson, 6, #1353 of 2057 🔗

The healthy will take tests right up until we are living in shanty towns and they will never at any point question why they are doing it.

421250 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1354 of 2057 🔗

May used that extra long swab to get to a bit of dirt behind the cocker that I just can’t reach!

421570 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andrew K, #1355 of 2057 🔗

It’s their big flappy ears isn’t it…

421281 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1356 of 2057 🔗

No, throw it in the street alongside all the discarded masks, it makes more of a point.

421144 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 3, #1357 of 2057 🔗

One of the highest number of tests and also one of the highest death rates. Might the two be connected somehow?

421173 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #1358 of 2057 🔗

Yes. The more you test, the more you find. If people in hospitals and care homes are the most vulnerable in society, and are tested three times a week in an environment where the administrators/managers have every incentive to keep the show on the road, then every death will have a positive test attached to it, even if taken with the last breathe.

421196 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tyneside Tigress 2021, 2, #1359 of 2057 🔗

Exactly. Yet the sceptics who first pointed this out, are somehow responsible for these deaths, how’s that possible!??

421165 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to alw, 6, #1360 of 2057 🔗

You can only be released when there are less than 1000 “cases” per day, lets increase testing. Can people not see how they are being treated as fools?

I cannot understand why anyone who has had the vaccine is then being tested, is there not anyone who realises of course a test post vaccine will find a virus.

The increase in testing could also be a way to introduce LFT to the people who will not be vaccinated, you either have the vaccine or you will need to constantly have a test to live your life.

421175 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to alw, 1, #1361 of 2057 🔗

Good idea, actually!

421561 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to alw, 1, #1362 of 2057 🔗

Be better off posting 400,000 bottles of Vitamin D a day.

421117 isobar, replying to isobar, 13, #1363 of 2057 🔗

Worth checking out the best rated comments on the latest scare story from the Daily Fail. Some of them are simply priceless. People just aren’t buying this BS anymore.

‘Covid-19 can lead to GANGRENE: Virus causes the body to ATTACK itself leading to severe, long-term muscle and joint pain, MRI scans reveal’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9270487/Covid-19-lead-GANGRENE-study-warns.html

421126 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to isobar, 15, #1364 of 2057 🔗

“It can chase you down the road. My friend narrowly avoided getting caught by climbing a tree.”

421136 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to isobar, 8, #1365 of 2057 🔗

According to some random nurse a few months ago, it was causing cancer too!

421195 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, #1366 of 2057 🔗

If you think gangrene is the same as muscle or joint pain…

421275 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to isobar, 6, #1367 of 2057 🔗

“Virus causes the body to ATTACK itself”

The virus doesn’t but the vaccine certainly does.

421369 ▶▶ GrannySlayer, replying to isobar, 1, #1368 of 2057 🔗

It can also break your arm if you upset it.

421121 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #1369 of 2057 🔗

Who cares what Bill Gates thinks?

421130 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #1370 of 2057 🔗

Only the people and organizations he pays off.

421315 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Bella Donna, #1371 of 2057 🔗

Every fucker (or the organisation they work for) that has received funding from him. Presently, that’s MSM; universities, WHO ……..

421135 isobar, replying to isobar, 12, #1372 of 2057 🔗

Another scare story from the Daily Fail. Picks up on the issue raised by Mayo earlier today about ZOE tracking.

‘Has Britain’s Covid outbreak STOPPED shrinking? Symptom-tracking app warns of a ‘hitch’ as cases begin to rise in parts of the UK, including Yorkshire, Scotland and Northern Ireland’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9270017/Has-Britains-Covid-outbreak-STOPPED-shrinking-Symptom-tracking-app-warns-hitch.html

Quoted in the article:

‘Professor Tim Spector, an epidemiologist at King’s and lead scientist behind the study, said his team were ‘looking into’ whether the increase in symptoms was down to people having mild reactions to their jabs. He said another plausible theory was vaccinated people taking more risks, or an increase in close contacts as a result of millions of Brits travelling to vaccine centres to get their jabs.’

Oh the irony!

Once again, best rated comments overwhelmingly critical.

421244 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, 3, #1373 of 2057 🔗

Be careful quoting anything from MAYO, I think they’re 77th

421282 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Andrew K, -12, #1374 of 2057 🔗

I posted a truthful comment (I always do). ZOE new cases had stopped falling and were now increasing. Since ZOE tends to be a fairly reliable leading indicator, I suggested this was a cause for concern.

Perhaps you’d like me to parrot the ludicrous claims made by Mike Yeadon and Dolores Cahill. who along with a host of others who have been providing you with your comfort blanket for the past 12 months. The slight drawback being that they are figures of ridicule among the zealots and have completely discredited the anti-lockdown cause.

421309 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 3, #1375 of 2057 🔗

“… they have completely discredited the anti-lockdown cause”

Your weird obsession again.

It’s lockdown that’s been discredited.

421534 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to RickH, 2, #1376 of 2057 🔗

I, and it would seem quite a few others, do not intuitively agree with some of Mayo’s thoughts but it’s good that they are aired. At minimum they give us an opportunity to step back sometimes and do a reality check on our own thinking. If we don’t give people like Mayo a platform to challenge the mainstream lockdown sceptics narrative we run the risk of running headlong into ‘group think’ and frankly being just as bad as the covidians.

421372 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mayo, 1, #1377 of 2057 🔗

CCP Shutdowns have been a complete and abject fail. Not many won’t suffer in the coming years from this lunatic policy. We actually had very sensible pandemic policy ready to go, which makes listening to Ferguson even more inexcusable. Although it was probably more the rancid East German that did it.

421143 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 8, #1378 of 2057 🔗

Off-topic but Athens has had a freak snowstorm, according to The Grauniad . Not really global warming, is it?

421148 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Waldorf, 11, #1379 of 2057 🔗

It’s freak weather caused by climate change..innit.

421189 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1380 of 2057 🔗

Yeah. If temperatures are higher than before, global warming. If snow comes down in a city where it hardly ever happens and even the mosquitoes do not disappear in winter because it rarely gets cold enough to kill them off, also global warming – somehow…

421237 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1381 of 2057 🔗

Again you have to be very careful about headlines, It snows EVERY YEAR in Athens. Just like they starting naming storms in britain, when we used to get these storms every two weeks when I was a kid in 1870’s

421287 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1382 of 2057 🔗

No it doesn’t. I have been there, often during the winter, and the worst I ever saw was a bit of sleet.
On the tops of nearby mountains some snow might fall and persist but downtown Athens?
Linking it to Covid a bit, this winter there were reportedly more Covid cases and deaths in Thessaloniki, but that northern city is significantly colder than Athens in the winter and snow is more common there.

421305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1383 of 2057 🔗

Err quite often it does, when you get a north wind down from the bulkans meeting the warm moist air from the med, it unleashes very heavy snow storms.

On average, Athens sees snow every other year, and good snow 2–3 times in a decade. Very good snowfalls of last decades : 1983, 1987, 1992, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008.
2010, 2013 were less impressive and the last 5 years snow has been spared from the center of the city and was to be seen mainly on the northern suburbs.

421311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1384 of 2057 🔗

Like I say, I have been there a lot, winter included and have never seen snow there (central Athens). Whereas I was still being bitten by mosquitoes in mid-January this year. In contrast the British winter climate is regularly cold enough to kill them or at least make them hibernate or something.

421197 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Waldorf, 4, #1385 of 2057 🔗

No, it’s people not wearing two face nappies.

421206 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1386 of 2057 🔗

Off topic I know, but it’s interesting. If you look at winter cold spells in recent years they have been characterised by extreme polar cold at much lower latitudes than normally experienced, but following something not dissimilar to a wave pattern. So what we are seeing is climate bands becoming more unstable (referred to by some scientists as climate “mixing”) rather than an overall warming or cooling.

421234 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1387 of 2057 🔗

If it’s colder than normal its climate change, but if warmer than normal its global warming.

I had to laugh the other month as the warmest restated that snow would be a thing of the past. Back in 2000 they said by 2010 snow would be a thing of the past. In 2010 my brother had a big 60th birthday party in a large country house and we were blocked in by a large amount of figments of our imagination (it couldn’t of been snow as it no longer exists in the UK in December).

421472 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Waldorf, #1388 of 2057 🔗

Global Warming, isn’t it?

421875 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Waldorf, #1389 of 2057 🔗

Like every year!

421155 Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), 13, #1390 of 2057 🔗

Sorry, been off the radar recently. Largely trying to salvage my dying travel business and keep my sanity.

Thought this was a very interesting read:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/15/how-conspiracy-theorizing-may-soon-get-you-labelled-a-domestic-terrorist/

421200 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), 9, #1391 of 2057 🔗

Always praying for you, Sarigsn. And for all whose businesses have been trashed by these foul brutes.

421501 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), replying to Annie, 2, #1392 of 2057 🔗

Thank you Annie, that means so much to me.

421229 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), 6, #1393 of 2057 🔗

My Business is dead due to lockdowns – Gov. response terrorist!!

421306 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), 3, #1394 of 2057 🔗

Next it will be a recognised mental illness and you will be sectioned under the mental health act.

Jesus! I just realised that what I typed above – it really could.

421433 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1395 of 2057 🔗

The government will not be claiming dissidents are mentally ill – it’s not the British way of doing things. What we will do is get your neighbours to say you’re mentally ill – and then you’ll be sectioned.

421158 merlin, 3, #1396 of 2057 🔗

More covid symptoms;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9270487/Covid-19-lead-GANGRENE-study-warns.html
OR getting ahead of side effects from experimental gene therapies .

421159 maggie may, 1, #1397 of 2057 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted but it would be interesting to hear the views of the CofE members of LS. It is readable without a Spectator sub

A Christian vision (spectator.co.uk)

421162 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1398 of 2057 🔗

BBC

Breaking News

New research suggests Covid may cause Rabies

421170 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1399 of 2057 🔗

Yes, but it has cured the flu, cancer and heart disease given that nobody has died of the flu recently and cancer and heart disease as causes of death on death certificates have plummeted.

421184 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1400 of 2057 🔗

That explains the foaming at the mouth then. I was about to blame the raccoon my partner got me for Christmas!

421219 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Alex B, #1401 of 2057 🔗

Don’t blame the raccoon!

421225 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ovis, 1, #1402 of 2057 🔗

Raccoon lives matter!

421199 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1403 of 2057 🔗

Yeah, Covvie makes you bite people.

421222 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Annie, 2, #1404 of 2057 🔗

Ah, I thought there must be a compelling reason for having to wear masks!

421216 ▶▶ Paulus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1405 of 2057 🔗

I read that as covid causing babies, god I need to get out more 🙂

421327 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Paulus, 1, #1406 of 2057 🔗

It was supposed to. Countering propaganda about the effects on furtility. But you know sloppy copy writers.

421552 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #1407 of 2057 🔗

I’m filing that under Dog Bites Man.

421164 Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), 13, #1408 of 2057 🔗

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is finally facing the heat for his botched and criminally negligent coronavirus response policies, yet no one seems to be asking why Cuomo and select governors made the fateful decisions that led to the excess deaths — and the coverup campaigns — of tens of thousands of senior citizens in New York and elsewhere across the United States.

https://www.aier.org/article/anatomy-of-the-nursing-home-death-warrants/

421348 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), #1409 of 2057 🔗

What a great site that is.

421468 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), #1410 of 2057 🔗

Good time for a recall refil: “Hey, Mario!”

421167 Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), 4, #1411 of 2057 🔗

A really good read:

https://ckarchive.com/b/v8u3hrhr2q9x

The relevant expert on liars is…

​you!

421169 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 4, #1412 of 2057 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted but I’ve only just seen it:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/17/teenagers-exposed-coronavirus-world-first-uk-study/

Just going to post one quote from it:
Clive Dix, the interim chairman of the Vaccines Taskforce, said: “We have secured a number of safe and effective vaccines for the UK, but it is essential that we continue to develop new vaccines and treatments for Covid-19.

421198 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Alex B, 5, #1413 of 2057 🔗

We have always been at war with Covidia

421278 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Alex B, #1414 of 2057 🔗

For the love of god what is the point in studying young fit healthy people?

421188 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 4, #1415 of 2057 🔗

Someone mentioned what was going on in the UAE. Apparently, they started their vaccination program at the “end of last year”. This has been the result. No conclusions, just the data.

421191 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Chicot, 1, #1416 of 2057 🔗

Are there other charts for nearby countries without vaccination programmes by any chance?

421346 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to sophie123, #1417 of 2057 🔗

I’ve haven’t checked but you can graph pretty much any data you like here:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01 ..latest&country=~GBR&region=World&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=desc

421360 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to sophie123, #1418 of 2057 🔗

Vaccinations for Saudi vs UAE vs Oman:

421371 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to sophie123, #1419 of 2057 🔗

Deaths for the same 3. No, definitely nothing to see here.

421194 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Chicot, 3, #1420 of 2057 🔗

IT’S OFF THE CHARTS!!!!!!!!
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421208 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1421 of 2057 🔗

EXJABINATE! EXJABINATE!

421210 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Chicot, 4, #1422 of 2057 🔗

Allah bigpharma

421218 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Chicot, 1, #1423 of 2057 🔗

1.4 dead per million a day, and they’re panicking?

421394 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Waldorf, #1424 of 2057 🔗

shocking isnt it! We need to have less than that to get out of LD

421459 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Chicot, #1425 of 2057 🔗

And what is their demography compared to the West?

421555 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to popo says, #1426 of 2057 🔗

A lot of young people, but also lots of obese people with diabetes amongst the native population.
In the UAE, the locals make up about 1/10 of the total population (or they did before covid struck and many got sent home). A large number of the migrant workers are young and very skinny, though there are also plenty of fat and older people from the Indian subcontinent.

421201 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 11, #1427 of 2057 🔗

The figures now in from India show just how utterly insane our lockdown policy has been. We have ruined ourselves when some political backbone would have led to community immunity.
Yes, I know there are big demographic differences (aged and obese populatio), but the difference is so stark.

421215 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #1428 of 2057 🔗

Bill.

India’s population is so large that the absolute numbers of old people are larger than in the UK..

The wikipedia entry on ‘Diabetes in India’ estimates 77 million diabetics in India, due to calories having become more abundant in recent decades.

Add to that – many more people are chronic sufferers of the usual diseases of poor countries, such as tuberculosis.

421220 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #1429 of 2057 🔗

In a country of 1.37Billion there are more absolute old people than the UK. Yes percentage lower but absolute much ,uch higher. Yet death rate a fraction of UK.

421303 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #1430 of 2057 🔗

They are hardy bastards having to live in that shithole 247 since birth.

421204 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 28, #1431 of 2057 🔗

BBC at it again. A story about one of their reporters who lost her Mum and Dad ‘to Covid’ within weeks of each other. No question very sad for the Family involved.

But…..both mid to late 80s. One with Dementia and one with Parkinson’s. Both categorised as a Covid death based on a test (of course). Of course one dare not raise the QALY question.

Strangely despite my search nothing on suicides, undiagnosed cancers etc etc. When the time comes for OUR Great Reset The BBC must be defunded and rely on voluntary subscription like PBS in the US.

421246 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to eastender53, 3, #1432 of 2057 🔗

We are all lost to covid

421276 ▶▶ fiery, replying to eastender53, 9, #1433 of 2057 🔗

Very sad for the person concerned but I’d be looking more closely at quality of life. My Mum has Alzheimer’s and I really hope she doesn’t have to endure years of this horrific and demeaning disease. I would certainly want a way out if I had either Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s.

421297 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to fiery, 5, #1434 of 2057 🔗

But there’s limits to ‘being sad’ if you’re sane.

MY mother was 92 when she died, and had basically lost most of the enjoyment in life. I am profoundly glad that she did not have to experience the last year in her care home.

421323 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to fiery, 2, #1435 of 2057 🔗

Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s are not killers. They, like HIV and aids are weaknesses of the immune system. Usually it’s catching pneumonia or respiratory diseases that’s the ultimate demise of people with those conditions. That’s why the wuhan flu is more of a problem in people suffering from those, which tend to be the more elderly in the population.

421386 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Alan P, 1, #1436 of 2057 🔗

Beg to differ but Alzheimers is a killer. Eventually you can’t swallow you can be kept ‘alive’ by being put on a drip and nasal tube, but if you don’t, you’ll die of dehydration. It is a killer, but usually something else like pneumonia might take you. My mum and her mum both died the same way they slowly expired after the swallow reflex left them. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Slow death over 4-5 years no quality of life. Generally poor care. Awful.

421460 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Alan P, #1437 of 2057 🔗

Old Mans Friend, aka pneumonia.

421548 ▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Alan P, #1438 of 2057 🔗

My eldest sister has got Parkinsons, and the medicines are already starting to lose their effectiveness. My younger sister has got MS and is wheelchair bound. I hope that when their time comes, they can go quickly and painlessly.

421293 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to eastender53, 3, #1439 of 2057 🔗

I am sure that the BBC will survive without public money . Its reputation is such that it attracted lots of money from Gates to advance the his schemes , medical and climate related . How this is possible for a supposedly public corporation I dont know . Perhaps I am wrong about the donation , but what is the difference between accepting money from Gates and flooding TV and radio with Gates’ latest book and advertising?
No doubt there are plenty of billionaires with theories on how to manage the lower classes will keep BBC fully funded.

421454 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to mikewaite, #1440 of 2057 🔗

Cue NTNOC POV sketch..

421448 ▶▶ popo says, replying to eastender53, #1441 of 2057 🔗

“QALY”, wasn’t that a pixar picture?

421496 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 332 of lockdown), replying to popo says, #1442 of 2057 🔗

My kids love the Where’s QALY books.

421205 PatrickF, 2, #1443 of 2057 🔗

Save data, not lives.

421209 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #1444 of 2057 🔗

Lockdowns: One of the Most Catastrophic Policy Errors of Modern times

This, pretty much,should be the received opinion about lockdown.

421213 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Mark, 2, #1445 of 2057 🔗

Great post!

421342 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mark, #1446 of 2057 🔗

It is the biggest policy catastrophe

421445 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Mark, #1447 of 2057 🔗

When I were a lad it where ‘Sue is this’ and ‘Sue is that’. Haven’t hear how Sue is for years!

421598 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to popo says, #1448 of 2057 🔗

Showing your age? “A rack” overtook “Sue is” as the Big Blunder That Was Worse Than a Crime nearly 20 years ago.

But lockdown puts them all in the shade…

421212 davews, replying to davews, 6, #1449 of 2057 🔗

Our local vaccination centre seems to be getting desperate. My mate who is just 44 has today received a text inviting him for a jab. Not vulnerable or any other reason.

Against my better judgement and despite all the warnings on here I shall be having the magic juice on Friday. The stigma from friends is just too much, I know I shall regret it afterwards but such is life.

Please don’t mark me down, but I guess you will anyway.

421223 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to davews, 22, #1450 of 2057 🔗

Should be no marking down on anyone, it’s everyone’s choice with no stigma attached.

421232 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to davews, 12, #1451 of 2057 🔗

You shouldn’t worry about being marked down. Most people on here believe in individual choice.

However, AlexB below has a raccoon who might be willing to bite you, if you’d prefer a more natural alternative 😉

421283 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, -3, #1452 of 2057 🔗

“Most people on here believe in individual choice”

Indeed they do. In theory. Some just find it hard to come to terms with the reality of the principle 🙂

421240 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to davews, 21, #1453 of 2057 🔗

I lie to them and tell them I’ve had it

Don’t go and tell them you did. Lying is easy once you get the hang of it

Rubbing your ‘sore arm’ whilst talking may add gravitas to your lie

421273 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cecil B, 18, #1454 of 2057 🔗

Since the government has been lying to us from the start, I now consider lying to be a perfectly legitimate tactic against anything relating to covidmania.

421286 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Edward, 1, #1455 of 2057 🔗

No you don’t

421326 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1456 of 2057 🔗

Like that. Thanks they lie and do it with impunity so they can have it back.

421439 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Cecil B, #1457 of 2057 🔗

“10 YEARS!”

421243 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to davews, 10, #1458 of 2057 🔗

Don’t give in ffs!

421248 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to davews, 19, #1459 of 2057 🔗

Your choice, always. For what it’s worth, deciding to receive this treatment based on social reputation seems to me completely the wrong way round. Surely your decision should be based on medical evidence alone and nothing else?

421253 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to davews, 10, #1460 of 2057 🔗

“I know I shall regret it afterwards but such is life.”

Or death, or blindness.

Good luck.

421259 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to davews, 10, #1461 of 2057 🔗

Why why why. You are just facilitating in my own enslavement and cannot support your decision — splitter

421280 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1462 of 2057 🔗

Don’t be stupid, Andrew. He’s made a pragmatic decision instead of just virtue signalling. I’ve seen enough hysterics from the Covid side to last a lifetime.

Your comment is the equivalent of the ‘Masks and Eyes’ TV advertisment.

421290 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to RickH, 9, #1463 of 2057 🔗

I don’t care what you think, it’s how I feel.

421261 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to davews, 16, #1464 of 2057 🔗

Respect your decision but the reason given is very weak.

With friends like that it’s time for new friends.

421376 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1465 of 2057 🔗

My DIL in New York is a paeditrician and has had it. And now my son who is 35 has been offered a jab “as there is a “slot””. I cannot say anything as my credibility is low being a Trump supporter, or rather anti-Biden. His PIL are also anti-Biden but I do not know how they feel about the Covid-Scam. They live in Connecticut. But it is impossible to partake in a meaningful discussion across the Atlantic. So I try not to think about it. Terrible.

421267 ▶▶ RickH, replying to davews, 2, #1466 of 2057 🔗

That’s OK. Take no notice of knee-jerk reactions and virtue signalling – from either side.

(I’ve refused it – but I understand how a different decision can be reached. And friendship is important, if occasionally difficult at this time.)

421285 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to davews, 3, #1467 of 2057 🔗

It’s a shame about the stigmatisation from your friends but everyone should be free to make their own decisions.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

421304 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to davews, 11, #1468 of 2057 🔗

enjoy your last few years of life. hope you won’t suffer too much in the end – in your defence, you won’t be missing much anyway, it’s gonna be shit

421314 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to davews, 5, #1469 of 2057 🔗

“The stigma from friends is just too much”

So it’s not your decision but rather a weakness on your part to stand up to peer pressure.

421332 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to davews, 2, #1470 of 2057 🔗

Just tell them you have had it.

421458 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1471 of 2057 🔗

Yes, pretend. Overdo the “side effects” for comic value.

421438 ▶▶ popo says, replying to davews, 2, #1472 of 2057 🔗

Wait until Biden and the Dems get serious about winning this and start inviting dead people to have the jab too.

421475 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to popo says, #1473 of 2057 🔗

😂 😂

421663 ▶▶ Mark, replying to davews, 1, #1474 of 2057 🔗

I tend to agree with Awkward Git that peer pressure is a very bad reason for doing it, but in the end it is your choice.

Just don’t turn into yet another holier than thou vaccine pusher once you’ve had it and not died……

421214 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 13, #1475 of 2057 🔗

Here’s some f ing data for you to focus on, Boris. Your calorie intake, you fat bastard!

421251 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PatrickF, 3, #1476 of 2057 🔗

delete

421227 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #1477 of 2057 🔗

BBC

Breaking news

PCR test is detecting high level of boiled cabbage in care home residents

421230 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1478 of 2057 🔗

…..with increased levels of flatulence.

421242 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to PatrickF, 6, #1479 of 2057 🔗

That has to be a wind up!

421255 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to isobar, 15, #1480 of 2057 🔗

Fart to early to tell

421635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Cecil B, #1481 of 2057 🔗

Haha that’s funny

421279 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to PatrickF, 5, #1482 of 2057 🔗

For fuck’s sake don’t tell Greta – think of the methane!

421235 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1483 of 2057 🔗

Is that the Positive Cabbage Revulsion test.

421241 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 7, #1484 of 2057 🔗

Needs to be boiled for at least 45 minute cycles.

421466 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1485 of 2057 🔗

45 minutes?, my mother would have boiled it for at least 2 hours.

421432 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1486 of 2057 🔗

PC Artist? That’s almost as good as PC Pam Ann

421236 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 25, #1487 of 2057 🔗

Until the government stop giving money not only to those on furlough, but 100% salaries to public sector workers who are not doing their jobs and probably even more important money to the MSM to advertise the government narrative none of this will stop, the gravy train is too enjoyable.

421254 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1488 of 2057 🔗

Is a gravy train actually made out of gravy or does it have conventional rolling stock that transports gravy from point A to point B

Just thought I’d ask

421344 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, #1489 of 2057 🔗

I think the rolling stock is not gravy – but the gravy is carried inside the containers.

421367 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Waldorf, #1490 of 2057 🔗

Think or know?

421412 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cecil B, #1491 of 2057 🔗

Merest speculation – we live in speculative times.

421490 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cecil B, #1492 of 2057 🔗

I would like to confirm the gravy is in containers, the train has carriages too without gravy containers, they are for the large amount of people who travel on the gravy train. It doesn’t go from A to B though, just a circular line, as everyone who is on it does not want to get off ever.

421256 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, -7, #1493 of 2057 🔗

the gravy train is too enjoyable

Not for most.

Shouting your resentments like a drunk on a street corner isn’t going to solve anything.

421270 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 20, #1494 of 2057 🔗

It isn’t resentments, it is an opinion I have, many people are enjoying not working and being paid for it too much so see no need for the lockdown to end.

The MSM are making more money from the government ads than they would get from normal advertising, why would they say we are going to stop making all this money in order to say the lockdown is wrong?

What is wrong is how the money has been given out, some have lost everything others are far better off financially, doesn’t fit with this “all in in together” narrative does it?

As I said above, stop the money and allow everything to open.

421331 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1495 of 2057 🔗

I bumped in to a mum I know well at nursery pick up and she is furloughed from her job at the moment and she said she was quite enjoying it. I though she was a sceptic but obviously not

Utter lunacy , furlough needs to end and not be extended

421420 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, -2, #1496 of 2057 🔗

What I was reacting to was the notion that ‘enjoyment’ is dominant. It’s not. People are mostly social animals.

I don’t disagree that there would be more pressure for change without furlough. But that’s down to the government, not the punters.

421430 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 3, #1497 of 2057 🔗

I can see your point but I do in a way have some disagreement, there are people who are enjoying not having to travel to the office, working less than normal, saving lots of money and receiving money from the government. I agree we are social animals though but some are more social than others. Being financially stable during this has made it far easier for many to tolerate.

421640 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1498 of 2057 🔗

Have you noticed how social middle class liberals move out to the sticks to socialize some distance apart?

People aren’t as social as you like to think, I’m positively misanthropic.

421263 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1499 of 2057 🔗

They can’t stop giving out furlough money while they are still banning businesses from opening.

421271 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to redbirdpete, 10, #1500 of 2057 🔗

Stop furlough open businesses.

421334 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1501 of 2057 🔗

I entirely agree. And do you seriously think that is going to happen any time soon? Or even this year?

421406 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to redbirdpete, #1502 of 2057 🔗

I am very much sitting on the fence here until the treasury reveal their next plans, will it be no extension to furlough or will they be told by the PM to do as they are told and extend it. If pushed I do not think there will be another full extension, maybe a lower %. I do not believe the budget will go ahead on 03rd March, it will be delayed until after the May elections, if they happen. Lot’s of ifs! Who the hell knows!

421257 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 46, #1503 of 2057 🔗

Just had the call from the GP “offering” me and Mrs Awkward the covid vaccination.

As we are just turned 53 and 57 respectively either they are being very efficient at this vaccination lark and are well ahead of of the plan or they have a low uptake and lots left they need to use up in a hurry.

Any guesses especially as they are always empty when I go to put in Mrs Awkward’s repeat prescriptions.

You could just hear the lack of interest and despondency in the poor woman’s voice when she asked why we did not want the vaccine, almost like she had heard the words “no thanks” quite a bit.

My reason – give me a call when you have one based on the attenuated virus, it has the full phase 3 safety study done and independently analysed, has full marketing approval and has the necessary licensing issued.

Silence then onto Mrs Awkward.

Her erason – if you look at my medical record you will see I have had the flu vaccine once, was hospitalised straight after it, almost died and never had it again so why do you think I will let you inject me with something that experimental that you do not even know what is in it nor how it works, that Governemnt admitted on TV they don’t know how effective it is and my husband knows more than the doctor about it.

Silence.

Then despondently “thank you”.

So 2 more on the “offered” numbers to show they are doing well.

421262 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #1504 of 2057 🔗

Is that a no then?

421300 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1505 of 2057 🔗

Polite two refusals.

421521 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1506 of 2057 🔗

It’s when they start saying ‘not even half a dose?’ that you know they are really struggling.

421719 ▶▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1507 of 2057 🔗

that really is funny. Best laugh all day-thankyou

421404 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1508 of 2057 🔗

Interesting that they asked you why. I got a simple “Oh, okay” when I declined the offer.

421457 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1509 of 2057 🔗

I think she was a bit taken aback that we knew exactly why we would not take these particular experimental jabs more than anything.

421582 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1510 of 2057 🔗

I was actually surprised she didn’t ask. I have a few things (like you) I would have said to her. I’m still expecting a call from my GP himself to ask why I’ve declined (I’m on the severely vulnerable list – and I do mean that), so I’ll save all my questions for him.

421417 ▶▶ jos, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1511 of 2057 🔗

Almost everyone I care about has now had the jab in spite of all my efforts to dissuade them so I’m seriously starting to think I’ll have it myself because, if it is harmful to them, I’d rather not be around to see it.. And maybe all the anti vacc information is put out to sort the wheat from the chaff so the government know who we are and can more easily marginalise and deal with the uncooperative people. Any thoughts?

421452 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to jos, 7, #1512 of 2057 🔗

I think those who are taking the shot (can’t call it a vaccine by definition) will sort the wheat from the chaff – the chaff die off, the wheat is kept as it’s more useful and will be a more productive population to do the bidding of the elite when all the dust settles.

421911 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Awkward Git, #1513 of 2057 🔗

Yep. That`s one of my theories. In years to come they will say to the survivors “Well done- you passed the test!”.

421670 ▶▶▶ janejakobs, replying to jos, 2, #1514 of 2057 🔗

This is how they get you. You start to rationalize away why you should comply, and soon you are under their thumb, giving up more and more. Try not to preemptively rationalize yourself into submission. If and when your relatives die, you’ll plan then. That’s my two pence here.

421508 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Awkward Git, #1515 of 2057 🔗

Someone already speculated that the scarcity was and is entirely fabricated to create desirability, similar to Rolex watches and Hermès bags.
And as with them, it seems to work.
Initially only though in the ‘vaccine’ case.

421272 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1516 of 2057 🔗

BBC

Breaking news

Government considers removing all road and rail bridges in bid to prevent covid spread

421292 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1517 of 2057 🔗

And road signs.

421294 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 11, #1518 of 2057 🔗

Now you’re just making stuff up. That was the plot in that Will Smith film about Covid Toe; it was called:

I am Leg End . 😉

421402 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1519 of 2057 🔗

A bridge too far imho.

421544 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, #1520 of 2057 🔗

The idiot has only just built that one between Scotland and NI.

421612 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1521 of 2057 🔗

He’s changed his mind; he’s actually going to dig a tunnel, apparently.

421742 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ceriain, #1522 of 2057 🔗

Maybe the sea will break in when he’s down the tunnel posing in a hard hat.

421277 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 32, #1523 of 2057 🔗

For the last wek or so I have been noticing that people I meet when out and about who were previously in the “stay safe” camp seem to have moved into the “we must end this” camp. I hope I am not misreading this but I believe that we are witnessing a significant shift in public opinion.I strongly suspect that the vaccine roll out with all the “vulnerable” now vaccinated is a major factor. With the UK Governments firmly entrenched in lockdown mode are they in danger of being behind the curve in public opinion?

421299 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Guirme, 13, #1524 of 2057 🔗

Yes, I think it is only the winter weather that is keeping the lid on all this, a spell of nice spring sunshine and I think there will be a lot of pressure to open up. We are having our bathroom done up at the moment, the bathroom people say they are very busy and I think that is true for all the building, plumbing and electrical etc. trades. While the weather is bad and there is loads of lucrative work on offer, just keep working and stashing the cash but when the weather changes I think they may want to get out and about and spend some of that money.

421353 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1525 of 2057 🔗

And it’s gradually getting warmer.
This thing is seasonal. In Athens the reported cases and deaths went up when it was becoming cool enough to require a jacket outdoors, and I suspect it is the same here.

421426 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1526 of 2057 🔗

Boris is quietly praying for a mini-ice

[‘age’ that is]

421431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to popo says, 2, #1527 of 2057 🔗

We had that a few days ago. Now it is back to the more or less normal 10 Centigrade. In London at least.

421340 ▶▶ rose, replying to Guirme, 15, #1528 of 2057 🔗

All the older people I know who have been ‘vaccinated’ now believe they are immune and are starting to socialise and rule break.

421469 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to rose, 2, #1529 of 2057 🔗

Fantastic – much encouragement must be given ( to get out not to get vaxxed obvs)

421732 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to rose, 1, #1530 of 2057 🔗

The masses are often slow to pick things up, and slow to let them go after they’ve picked them up. Hence the fearmongering got through and terrified them for months. But then the message got through that vaccines would get us back to normal. SAGE can jump up and down and say that’s not going to happen, but people aren’t hearing that, and if they do they may then ask what’s the point of the bloody vaccines. So SAGE and their manipulative psychology are walking a tightrope.

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