2021-02-18

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421968 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 21, #1 of 1758 🔗

Morning everyone – back on the podium at last.
Now to read the REAL news

423043 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Judy Watson, 5, #2 of 1758 🔗

The true death numbers from Covid over the last year, just over 3,000, from official NHS statistics, people with no underlying health conditions. https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/17/investigation-nh

423086 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #3 of 1758 🔗

First question would be, are there comparable figures for ALL deaths including those at home (their figures only refer to hospitals). We know that at least 25,000 died at home last year, which is probably where the total ramps up to 100,000 who allegedly died with C-19.

Are there also comparable stats from 2019 of those who died from all causes who did not have pre existing conditions to be able to compare.

421969 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 136, #4 of 1758 🔗

What new hell can our satanic child abusers in Government and its “saged” devils come up with today ? oh yes ! lets test children twice a week . that`s the idea johnson you useless potato in a wig !

421971 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, 61, #5 of 1758 🔗

Please don’t i sult the potato, that decent, honourable, nourishing vegetable, by mentioning it in the same sentence as Bozo.

422469 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Annie, 16, #6 of 1758 🔗

A good roasting is needed for this potato.

422752 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to HelenaHancart, 8, #7 of 1758 🔗

A good dose of blight is what he needs.

423009 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #8 of 1758 🔗

Mashing better…

422480 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 18, #9 of 1758 🔗

This is what Katie Hopkins has been calling the fat pig dictator on YouTube videos every day. Funny how people who were not really my cup of tea become fellow bedfellows.

421993 ▶▶ Alci, replying to nickbowes, 44, #10 of 1758 🔗

Oh, it’s insane. Plus masks for anywhere secondary school pupils can’t socially distance – did you spot that gem? No end date given.
At least tests are ministered at home, so hopefully ignored by most, and LFT.

Of course this will only be the first step. Once we get used to testing for covid, flu (so much for “dangerous” for kids!) can’t be far behind. Sherelle Jacobs has an article on this in the telegraph today which I’m afraid is probably correct, much though I hate it.

422287 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Alci, 29, #11 of 1758 🔗

tests for flu isn’t far behind according to Matt Hancock argued on the lines of people who are sick shouldn’t go to work. Fair point, but I started work in an era that a heavy cold was not a valid reason for sick leave. Which is why most people say flu instead.

422345 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #12 of 1758 🔗

Exactly, everyone where I am was in work with a heavy cold last Feb 2020 which spread like wildfire ( the last time I was sick myself)
Noone took a day off
Would be interesting to see if it was the bat cold or not but I ain’t getting tested

422872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #13 of 1758 🔗

Is it not notable to see the power given to the external diagnosis of your own lived experience?

I was in some bonfire smoke once and the stinging and watering eye sickness spread almost instantly.

I exaggerate to make a point.

But in any case the tests do not mean anything – and therefore can mean whatever the test designer and the parameters used by the test, determine to be the result desired.

422442 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #14 of 1758 🔗

Yes thanks for this handjob, one small thing if I take time off work I am called into the office and given a verbal warning about my attendance. Will you write to my boss and tell him he can’t do that? Oh you are busy……

422478 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #15 of 1758 🔗

People who are ill shouldn’t have to cover their first, most infectious sickdays, out of their own pockets. Wankock can’t have it both ways.

422381 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Alci, 11, #16 of 1758 🔗

test dog shit and send it in

422501 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Alci, 19, #17 of 1758 🔗

Its sick what they are doing to children. They are blameless, they are not disease vectors just let them get on with their lives poor sods.

422847 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Alci, 2, #18 of 1758 🔗

In America, it is everywhere. Even the playground.

423728 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #19 of 1758 🔗

And we continue to ignore the mask mandates and the arrows and the distancing x on the floor

422946 ▶▶▶ abbie s, replying to Alci, 8, #20 of 1758 🔗

If I may ….. I usually post on TCW. I do not come here but the link was set there.

I work in a school. I keep readig about the testing this morning ( and it is not new its been in place since January – except the Fat controller closed the schools which meant it was not rolled out.

I have been told that SCHOOLS will test the children. Testing centres have been set up for this and volunteer teachers ( in my school mainly PE staff and some SLT , who have light timetables)have done their days training in suiting up in a hazmat suit to do the testing. The tests have been delivered to the schools ( not to parents).

Parents were asked for consent for testing, not asked to do the tests.
Teachers have also been told to consent for testing. Again they are to appear in the test centre for this twice weekly.

This is so that parents cannot take the piste out of the test by giving it to the dog, cat or bearded dragon and send it in to school – or that is how I understood it. So children will be subjected to a rather nasty little test at the top of the nasel passage where the tissue is sensitive and painful ( and hope you dont go through the top and cause damage) and down the throat until they gag! Lets be blunt and say what it really is.

As it hat happens if a parent refuses – well no one has actually said but I did ask both the union and my Head about this. I was told children were to come into school anyway. testing was voluntary, not compulsory and they could not be made to take it and parents could not be coerced to sign. I was also told (and had it in writing) that teaching staff could refuse and they too were to report for work in the usual way and to complete their work normally.

Now things may be changing. If they let home tests for parents maybe they will do the same for staff. I certainly hope so . I hope what was put in place in January has been changed but I not heard such. Only a load of MSM articles about children being tested at home. But maybe you should just check out somewhere what the government actually do intend before thinking you can send in a dog sample.

423357 ▶▶▶▶ Alci, replying to abbie s, 2, #21 of 1758 🔗

Midwife friend does LFT tests at home twice weekly already. It’s becoming the “norm” (shudder)…though preferable to in-school testing & my littlies being treated like pariahs because their mad maskless mum refuses to let them have sticks stuck up their nose.

423640 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to abbie s, 1, #22 of 1758 🔗

Hello, Abbie. Thanks for that.

422030 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nickbowes, 57, #23 of 1758 🔗

This is nothing but a systematic abuse of our children and young people. And mark my words they will be living with this for the rest of their lives, resilient or not.

PS. Anyone who still trots that out should be shot.

422039 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Bart Simpson, 30, #24 of 1758 🔗

if all goes according to plan, the rest of their lives won’t be that long

422080 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to JaneHarry, 18, #25 of 1758 🔗

this is my biggest fear.

422272 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 15, #26 of 1758 🔗

That’s what we should be worried about.

423445 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #27 of 1758 🔗

Yes indeed, absolutely none of this is about a virus. We are entering the very darkest of times.

422106 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #28 of 1758 🔗

Or better still get the flame throwers out.

422057 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to nickbowes, 21, #29 of 1758 🔗

I think a lot of parents will be testing a lot of papayas. Or equivalent.

422071 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to sophie123, 22, #30 of 1758 🔗

I’m a gardener. I’ll be testing compost.

422180 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to sophie123, 9, #31 of 1758 🔗

Unfortunately I think even tap water has tested “positive”.

422276 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to sophie123, 6, #32 of 1758 🔗

They can use it on their kid’s things – bags, shoes, notebooks, pencils and it will have the same result as Tanzania’s papaya and goat.

422104 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to nickbowes, 38, #33 of 1758 🔗

It’s going to make teaching the concept of consent quite difficult.

‘Yes Paula, you’ve got this thing called bodily autonomy – erm, except when there’s anything to do with Covid.’
‘Okay sir. So if a man accosts me in the park, drops his trousers and tells me he’s going to penetrate me with his Covid probe, and I don’t want him to, what then?’
‘Well Paula, if he’s wearing a latex Johnson or Starmer mask, he can do whatever he wants to you.’
‘Isn’t that a bit rapey, sir?’
‘No, Paula. And if you resist you’re a granny killer.’

422237 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ovis, 28, #34 of 1758 🔗

Absolutely, I have been telling my family for weeks “if someone stops me in the street and says he will stick something in my bum for 20 quid and I’ll live 10 more years, I would either punch him or move away hastily. Why would you believe big pharma government any more than this man in the street?”

422190 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to nickbowes, 15, #35 of 1758 🔗

A nice bottle of mineral water sat in the fridge will be tested every day without fail and the swab dutifully posted back to the Gestapo!

422286 ▶▶▶ davesmart, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #36 of 1758 🔗

If you’re posting the swab back, you’d be better off gobbing on it. At least the swab will be positive for saliva proteins and the gestapo may catch something!

422913 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #37 of 1758 🔗

The bottle of mineral water will be flogged until morale improves.

423388 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #38 of 1758 🔗

will you be quarantining the bottle of mineral water until you get a negative test result back? not allowing it to hug its granny or go to the cinema etc???

422475 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to nickbowes, 39, #39 of 1758 🔗

So I just watched a how to video for the Lateral flow test. Its not sent away its like a pregnancy test, except you don’t pee on it. You use a long q-tip stick it in your gob and wriggle it about 4 times. Then with the same end you do both left and right sides of your hooter. Four twists each side. You then stick this in a thin plastic bottle, five twists. Then you squeeze the side of the bottle and get the liquid out. Take out the q-tip and put a lid on the bottle which has a small hole in the lid. Now you get your tester unit which really looks like a pregnancy tester and squeeze three drops of liquid onto the tester. Wait 25 minutes and see the results.

Or you say to your child, how do you feel? Okay? Great off to school. What a complete and utter waste of time and money. No symptoms no disease.

422520 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Spikedee1, 12, #40 of 1758 🔗

Surely no one will do it. Just pretend. I wouldn t risk damaging sensitive areas of my child’s nose

422750 ▶▶▶▶ albert hall, replying to rose, 7, #41 of 1758 🔗

Those with common sense won’t but there’s plenty out there of the joyfully awaiting their jab as it’s ‘the path to freedom’ variety that will. Little do they know.

422967 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to rose, 2, #42 of 1758 🔗

Don’t forget that Wanckok will guarantee you 10 years behind bars for telling porkies (almost certainly without trial).

422510 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to nickbowes, 21, #43 of 1758 🔗

It’s now reached a point where it is obvious that whatever the agenda is, it’s been carried out by a deranged government. There is no sense to the latest proposals at any level.

422746 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to nickbowes, 8, #44 of 1758 🔗

And the idea is to keep that ‘cases’ rate above 1000 just to make sure we never leave lockdown

422923 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to albert hall, 2, #45 of 1758 🔗

Well, as I have noted the Greeks are having trouble doing it and they have a much smaller population, and their lockdown is more stringent (masks mandated outdoors, having to tell the police when you go outdoors etc.)

421970 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 149, #46 of 1758 🔗

Are there any psychologists in the house?

What’s the current thinking on people suffering from paranoid delusion?

Do you humour them in their delusion or do you confront them with it and not pander to it?

People are suffering from paranoid delusion in our society. There are some who truly believe that there is an unusually dangerous disease out there. They really believe that human beings breathing is a mortal threat.

But even those people who may realise that this is only a delusion have to play along. The game now is that we have to carefully ease restrictions.

No we don’t. The government just has to say: Everything is now open. The Coronavirus Act and all SIs are now void.

The fact that they haven’t shows that they don’t want to reopen and that, perhaps, just perhaps, this isn’t about a virus.

And as for us. Don’t pander to the paranoid delusional among us.

421976 ▶▶ Rich, replying to Ed Phillips, 63, #47 of 1758 🔗

Wow – very well said.

I don’t live in the UK, but I am horrified by what is going on there. Although you’re under one of the worst covid regimes in the world, take heart in the thought that the many other freer places will be a contagious example of better governance that will inevitably spread your way.

421985 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Rich, 33, #48 of 1758 🔗

Where are you, Rich?
You’re right. Before long the UK totslitarians will be clearly shown up as
the worst of a bad, evil bunch.

422875 ▶▶▶▶ Rich, replying to Annie, 18, #49 of 1758 🔗

I am in North Carolina. Restaurants are open with a 50% capacity limit, but some are ignoring that. My local sheriff has said he will not enforce covid restrictions.
There’s a lot of mask wearing, but a significant minority do not wear them in my area. When I go to the local supermarket nobody tells me to wear one.
My kids are in school 2 days a week, unfortunately with masks. One of the teachers allows them to take them off though, bless him.

423291 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Rich, 3, #50 of 1758 🔗

You’re a lucky man in some ways … but the poor kids.

423358 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rich, replying to Annie, 1, #51 of 1758 🔗

Our local school board has many voices of sanity, so there are signs of progress. The school gives regular mask breaks, and I got ones that are very breathable for my kids. As much as I hate the masks, I just have to be patient and make the best of it till the hysteria dies down.

423399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Rich, 4, #52 of 1758 🔗

“Mask breaks” – so they accept that masks are uncomfortable? That being accepted, and evidence of their benefits being weak, surely the masks should be un-mandated.

423428 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rich, replying to Edward, 1, #53 of 1758 🔗

They absolutely should! If the masks continue beyond this school year we will most likely move to home schooling.

423636 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Rich, 1, #54 of 1758 🔗

Why not cut out little holes all the way across them? (The muzzles, that is, not the children!!)

422163 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Rich, 11, #55 of 1758 🔗

I do hope so, but dumbing down seems as frequent as locking down!

422421 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Rich, 27, #56 of 1758 🔗

I’ve been under the impression that the UK had been singled out for the absolute worst of this bollocks by taking some sort of leadership role, to show the rest of the world how to do it. Obviously that’s backfiring as the rest of the world looks on and says ”What the actual f@#k!”

422553 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bigade, 12, #57 of 1758 🔗

I think as soon as Covid became a thing, the gov’t tried to take a leading role in it. It’s what British gov’ts do with their ‘world-beating’ programmes. It helps them to ‘stand tall in the world’ and ‘punch above their weight’.

423293 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bugle, 1, #58 of 1758 🔗

When they punch children, they’re certainly above the children’s weight.

423363 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bugle, 7, #59 of 1758 🔗

It has been apparent from day one of the corona scam that Johnson and the other psychopaths in his government take their orders from the self appointed global vaccine tsar, the eugenicist and depopulator in chief Bill Gates.

423392 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Bugle, 2, #60 of 1758 🔗

So Sad – classic case of small man syndrome

421982 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ed Phillips, 74, #61 of 1758 🔗

I’m paranoid, but not deluded. You know the old saying: Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you. Our governments really are out to get us; unfortunately, it’s no delusion.

421984 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 13, #62 of 1758 🔗

Absolutely right.

421995 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #63 of 1758 🔗

‘Conspiracy’ Mel Gibson.

422289 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #64 of 1758 🔗

as our ex PM Harold Wilson found out

423365 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #65 of 1758 🔗

And so did JLK, RFK and MLK.

422037 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ed Phillips, 41, #66 of 1758 🔗

I know of people who are hypochondriacs and possibly even suffering from paranoid delusion before this shit show and this crisis has exacerbated it. I simply ignore them and when this is over and they want to go “let bygones be bygones” I will simply tell them to take a hike.

422109 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #67 of 1758 🔗

Yes you’ve had your chips I will be saying. Society needed you and you were found wanting so do one.

422282 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 13, #68 of 1758 🔗

Yep. I was glad when one of the hypochondriacs took voluntary redundancy because it means I will never see her again.

422182 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #69 of 1758 🔗

Someone here linked to this months ago and the title stuck in my mind and I’ve thought when will this madness end many times since then. It seems to link with what you’re saying:

https://www.aier.org/article/when-will-the-madness-end/

422483 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Ed Phillips, 20, #70 of 1758 🔗

And it is so widespread. Many more people than not (of all ages) go through a ridiculous pantomime of swerving, pulling up masks in addition to putting thier hands over their faces in sheer horror when I pass them in the tsreet or even in the countryside. Where on earth do they get their information and how do they process it to believe a virus (in the unlikely case that I do have ‘it’) can leap several feet through the open air and kill them? I have tried to ask a few of those who do this but they don’t answer and just scuttle off in terror.

422543 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 25, #71 of 1758 🔗

I went shopping in the Range yesterday. Two brothers, one was about 7and the other 10, wanted to look at stuff in the toy aisle I was in. When they saw me without a mask the small boy looked at me wide eyed and they scuttled off. A few minutes later they poked their heads round the end of the aisle again but I was still hovering over the toys they wanted to get near. The third time the younger could wait no longer and approached but his brother yanked him away.

I hate to think what paranoid behaviour they will develop when tested x2 weekly?

423369 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Marialta, 5, #72 of 1758 🔗

The sooner Johnson and his bunch of crooks are locked away in jail, the sooner poor kids like these, will have a chance of getting back to somewhere near normal. For some though, it is already too late.

422526 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ed Phillips, 26, #73 of 1758 🔗

It might also be a bit of Napoleon syndrome. Small people suddenly given unlimited power. So not just politicians, all the curtain twitching people are now empowered to shop their neighbours who have some friends round. Or shout at you for not wearing a mask. This has also bought the very worse out of the police.

423294 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #74 of 1758 🔗

Totalitarianism invariably brings out the very worst in the very worst people.

421972 Annie, 17, #75 of 1758 🔗

Just got out my verbal Kalashnikov to deal with the Scottish government’s consultation, linked ATL. Almost no tick boxes, and obvious bias easy to recognise and denounce. Doesn’t insist you are resident in Scotland. You don’t even have to give an assurance that you are a mindless MacZombie. Go there and get ’em, mates!

421973 Tom Blackburn, 5, #76 of 1758 🔗
421974 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #77 of 1758 🔗

I was horrified when I read about testing kids twice a week for C-19.

What was the minister or whoever dreamt up this idea thinking? Or perhaps not thinking at all.

I have tried to find out the cost of the test and all associated costs but cannot find this. Anyone on here know?

I am looking to return to the UK later this year and find that I will have to pre-book and pay for two Covid 19 tests at a cost of 210 pounds. One test is 150 quid over here.

Also the quarantine hotels in the UK are expensive and sound terrible. Here a good hotel with balcony is 750 for 14 nights and includes the cost of tests.

A married couple I know came here(THailand) and got an apartment for two weeks at a cost of 2000 pounds – their only complaint was that there wasn’t any metal cutlery.

422027 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #78 of 1758 🔗

for god’s sake, don’t come back here. you are OUT, it means you have a chance of survival. but I understand if you have loved ones here, that is what keeps me trapped here

422390 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #79 of 1758 🔗

Yes the only reason I am coming back is to see my friends and family – should have happened last year but c-19 put the kibosh on that.

422074 ▶▶ JIGR1969, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #80 of 1758 🔗

The lateral flow tests are in the region of £10, whilst the PCR test is in the region of £120.

With 8.82 million children equates to a cost of £176million per week, if using the LFT. If using PCR, the cost would be £2,116million per week.

422339 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to JIGR1969, 13, #81 of 1758 🔗

Kerching. Covid is now big business.

422385 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to JIGR1969, 6, #82 of 1758 🔗

Thanks for that – the term ‘a waste of money’ springs to mind

422135 ▶▶ Thumb, replying to Judy Watson, 13, #83 of 1758 🔗

According to a piece in the BMJ, the government has spent £1.3bn on 384 million testing kits. That’s enough for 3 weeks of testing. So, that’s almost £22bn per year.

That’s for a test that, in the hands of the general public, only picks up around 50% of cases and has a specificity of 99.64%. And that’s what worries me. 16 million tests per week will yield over 60,000 false positives each week, which in turn will result in permanent lockdown.

423396 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Thumb, -2, #84 of 1758 🔗

so all that money to be spent on testing and today they announce they are spending 18m on research into effects of long covid – would the testing money not be better spent on treating the poor people with the long covid?

422143 ▶▶ Thumb, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #85 of 1758 🔗

Sorry, forgive my earlier maths. The supply will last 21 weeks, not 21 days, so a cost of around £5 billion per year.

421975 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 133, #86 of 1758 🔗

The harms of lockdown measures are substantial and serious. They have been covered repeatedly and in detail both here and elsewhere. The most serious of these is that the government has deprived us of our liberties. This is fundamental because this fact means we cannot look to the government to solve the problem. Even if the government today announced the end to all the coronavirus restrictions and repealed all the legislation and related guidance, the fundamental problem would still exist, for in the minds of policy makers depriving us of our liberties would still be a possible policy. The only viable solution is for us to reassert our liberty. We can do this by non-compliance. Ignore the rules.

421988 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Hayes, 77, #87 of 1758 🔗

I know what you mean but the effect of the lock-down measures are that there is limited opportunity to do as I wish. The village pub, the village hall and the local swimming pool are shut, my family are spread out, Cardiff, London, Kampala and Calgary, I cannot travel to those places from N Devon nor could I stay if I got there. Devon Wildlife trust have suspended the group work parties that I used to organise in this area.

Government has forced organisations and businesses to shut down and limit our ability to exist as free people. Much to my surprise, yesterday I had a reply from my M.P. Geoffrey Cox, it was a surprisingly positive letter, no he has not turned into a sceptic! but he did express considerable and apparently genuine concern for the effects of lockdown on children, rural community life and rural small businesses and assured me that each week all of Devon’s MPs were now meeting to consider the way forward. So no, the door has not been flung open but a chink of light is showing and we need to push hard on that door.

421992 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #88 of 1758 🔗

That’s good to hear

422084 ▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Steve Martindale, 29, #89 of 1758 🔗

I’m glad that you at least received an intelligent response. My MP responded to the campaign to reopen the licensed trade by going into great detail about how much money this government is spending on various schemes. Initially, I wasn’t going to dignify this nonsense with a response, but I decided to remind her that

  1. the people making the decisions are continuing to be fed by the public purse
  2. the various schemes have now led to almost 2 million people not having worked for 6 months, with little expectation that the jobs will still exist when the funding is withdrawn
  3. her government’s policy seems to be to max-out on the country’s credit card to avoid facing up to the general economic realities when the lockdowns end, i.e. it’s no longer related to the pandemic.

I’m increasingly convinced that this is the true reason for BJ’s glacial schedule for a return to normality.

422314 ▶▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Sceptical Steve, 19, #90 of 1758 🔗

It might also be worth pointing out to her that the government may be the body that authorizes the payment but it is the taxpayer that actually puts its hand in its pocket.

Duly remind her we look forward to reviewing the authorization body at either the next election or lynching, whichever comes first, and that our patience and mental health probably won’t stretch another 3 years.

The bare faced cheek of these cunts.

423117 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sceptical Steve, 7, #91 of 1758 🔗

They don’t want to return to normality. The glacial progression is towards totalitarianism.

423453 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #92 of 1758 🔗

Not all that glacial.

422252 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #93 of 1758 🔗

Maybe I’ll drop Cox another line. My last email was inviting him to help crowd fund the Manchester cafe owners, Luc and Kate. Oddly enough, I haven’t had a reply yet.

422253 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #94 of 1758 🔗

Sorry Steve but that is pathetic. You can travel wherever you like if you have a valid reason.That reason is up to you. I’ve said it many times but, once more, have a piece of paper ready “Sorry officer I have lost my voice. I have a reason to travel to do with mental health. I cannot say any more.”

423579 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bungle, 1, #95 of 1758 🔗

No, Bungle, no offense, but it is you, not Steve, who is naive. International travel will simply not be that easy. Unless, of course, enough of us resist the new normal before it is too late

421977 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 45, #96 of 1758 🔗

I use to post a lot on site at the start

I am just fed up with it all now

They keep changing the lockdown exit route

421979 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to HawkAnalyst, 20, #97 of 1758 🔗

I had not noticed that they ever had one to change.

422018 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #98 of 1758 🔗

Indeed!

422050 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #99 of 1758 🔗

the government discussing their lockdown route
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRJby3PCfbo

422171 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to HawkAnalyst, 18, #100 of 1758 🔗

I don’t understand why we even need to buy into the route/roadmap at all? Any mention of these terms makes me so angry. Just end it. Simple as that.

422545 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 10, #101 of 1758 🔗

Hear hear!! And why do we always have to wait two weeks for this crap. Tell me now, if you don’t trust your bullshit figures then what’s the point. If you can’t predict an outcome then all your measurements are bullshit and you have zero control so let’s just “let it rip”

422489 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to HawkAnalyst, 11, #102 of 1758 🔗

The route out of lockdown should be this.

The government has to try and maximise (length of life * quality of life) aggregated across all of its citizens. If lockdown reduces that amount, then lockdown should end.

Well we know lockdown reduces quality of life. Now according to the governments own figures, because the vulnerable have been vaccinated mostly, that length of life is being reduced due to lockdown deaths which now exceed covid deaths.

But in truth, there are more covid deaths caused by lockdown, see the US where states not locked down have a lower rate of death on average.

So lockdown should never have happened in the first place. Ironically that makes getting out of it a bit difficult because it will reveal the fraud behind it in the first place.

423398 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to leicestersq, 1, #103 of 1758 🔗

precisely – one doesn’t want to end up with egg all over one’s face does one?

421978 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 37, #104 of 1758 🔗

The Gibraltar government has clearly stated that the spate of deaths in January has nothing to do with the vaccine and is purely the chance timing coincidence between the vaccine being rolled out and COVID taking hold there. This has been eagerly lapped up by Reuters and Full Fact, amongst others.

How credible are these claims ? Well, if you look at the graph below comparing headline COVID deaths in Gibraltar in January 2021 to San Marino, a small country in Northern Italy with almost exactly the same population, at the time of the outbreak of COVID in Italy (March 2020) and previously the fastest increasing death rate per million, you have 70 deaths in Gibraltar over a 29 day period compared to 32 in San Marino. Gibraltar’s rate was 218% that of San Marino. What is particularly interesting is that the lines part a few days after the vaccination programme started in Gibraltar.

Now, clearly they haven’t sense-checked their figures, but if you assume that Gibraltar was ‘only’ affected as badly as San Marino in March, the chance of the death numbers being as high as they are is 1 in 229 million (easily calculated by a Poisson distribution with mean of 32).

The government claims only 6 deaths were of people who had had a vaccination. Since the vast majority of the vaccinated were the old and vulnerable, and the overwhelming majority of the deaths were in this demographic group, I think Gibraltar really needs to check this figure – after all the chance of 53 unvaccinated people dying in the period from 10 Jan to 31 Jan is so remote as to make 1 in 229 million look like a virtual certainty!

So there may be no ‘smoking gun’ linking the vaccination to the death rate, but the circumstantial evidence needs some strong explanation.

Looking at other countries with high vaccination rates per million, the UK has had a far higher excess death rate than its relatively unvaccinated neighbour France, and Israel is showing a worrying excess death rate as well.

But some people will believe what they want to believe.

“Alice laughed: “There’s no use trying,” she said; “one can’t believe impossible things.” “I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

Lewis Carroll           Alice in Wonderland.

421981 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Laurence, 25, #105 of 1758 🔗

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. … “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

421989 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #106 of 1758 🔗

Am now wondering whether “Alice in Wonderland” is one of those childrens books one should re-read – only through adult eyes this time…

421990 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ElizaP, 16, #107 of 1758 🔗

Yes. Charles Dodgson, the author, was university lecturer in mathematics. His writing for children was simultaneously an expose of the social world.

422031 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #108 of 1758 🔗

And a complex philosophical dissertation, probably the only one ever to be a fun read.
Try getting your mind round the ‘grin without a cat’.

422054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Annie, 1, #109 of 1758 🔗

It probably, almost perfectly, describes post modernism.

422254 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to ElizaP, 6, #110 of 1758 🔗

The White Rabbit is fascinating. It is a parable showing how you can follow the one piece of data which does not support a narrative and it leads to a whole new world of insight. Yes, read it again.

I am just pondering whether the Cheshire Cat, the one that carried on grinning after the cat had disappeared, could be a parable for covid – the ultimate ‘grin without a cat’?

423405 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Basileus, #111 of 1758 🔗

The cat is covid, the grin is lockdown.

423403 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to ElizaP, 1, #112 of 1758 🔗

I can quote large chunks from The Mad Hatter’s Tea Party. Unfortunately that particular talent is not often requested.

422066 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #113 of 1758 🔗

We’re all down the rabbit hole.

422564 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to PatrickF, 5, #114 of 1758 🔗

“I passed by his garden and I marked with one eye,
How SAGE and big pharma were sharing a pie.”

422119 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Laurence, 5, #115 of 1758 🔗

In the reported studies of the mRNA vaccines one week after the injection there is often a reversible lymphocytopenia. It is easy to imagine that this could be of much more significance in the most elderly making them more susceptible for infection with other viruses but also including C-19

The striking thing in common with UK, Gibraltar, Israel and UAE is that immunisation was introduced in an already raging C-19 epidemic not yet reaching the peak. This could explain extra mortality in the elderly with C-19 and possible of other infections more than deaths of the vaccine directly.

In contrast in countries with mass immunisation of elderly in a falling outbreaks like Florida and other states in the US the same pattern has not been repeated. Perhaps not a good idea to start a vaccination campaign on the way up in the epidemic.

 Anyhow, bad news for UK. One dose gives not enough reduction of death and severe disease according to Israeli data. It seems 70% protective but only 2 weeks after second dose.

422261 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to swedenborg, 1, #116 of 1758 🔗

Highly plausible, at least as a part explanation. But does it explain the apparent heart-related problems which occur in the days immediately after the vaccination?

Another informative post from Laurence btw.

422265 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to swedenborg, 3, #117 of 1758 🔗

I am afraid what you write is nonsense – taking just one thing, the UK pandemic finished at the end of May 2020 according to Heneghan’s CEBM chart so the first sentence of your second paragraph is 180 degrees wrong!!!

422952 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Bungle, 1, #118 of 1758 🔗

I am speaking of the second=seasonal wave which is undeniable.

423317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to swedenborg, 1, #119 of 1758 🔗

Have a look at the CEBM deaths chart and tell me where the second wave is??? Of course there is a, seasonal rise, rise to 12,500 deaths (from week 46) but nothing like the 20,000 plus we had in week 16.

423557 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Bungle, 1, #120 of 1758 🔗

Well there is that rather alarming jump right at the start of 2021 (the short purple line) which is just after they started vaccinating.

They started with the most elderly first. Whether it had nothing to do with the vaccine, or a minor adverse reaction to the vaccine finished them off, or they died of other infections due to lymphocytopenia is not clear.

If they died of C19 after the vaccine that would be especially worrying. I doubt it’s easy to obtain data about this.

422460 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to swedenborg, 2, #121 of 1758 🔗

As far as Florida goes, do you know if there has not be a rise in excess deaths or just no rise in Covid-attributed deaths following the vaccine rollout? I know that lockdown zealots (unsuprisingly) often accuse Florida of covering up Covid deaths. If Florida does have a stricter criteria for classifying Covid deaths, I’m wondering if that would cause any potential vaccine-related deaths to be included as non-Covid deaths rather than Covid deaths.

422249 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Laurence, 7, #122 of 1758 🔗

If this is not a ‘smoking gun’ I don’t know what is. There is no certainty in science, but there is, ‘inference to best explanation’. The best explanation appears to be that the deaths are vaccine related.

422674 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Basileus, 5, #123 of 1758 🔗

If I go walking into a cow field and tread in a big steaming pile of shit i could think that the chances of it being out of a cow being quite high. Yes it could have been a horse or the farmer, his dog or a bird. However in science there comes a point were you have to say, if it looks like cow shit, smells like cow shit and you are in a cow field I think its safe to say the cow did it.

423072 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #124 of 1758 🔗

Absolutement.

421980 Annie, replying to Annie, 20, #125 of 1758 🔗

The expected verbal diarrhoea from HM Fascists in answer to tbe letition to lufe restrictions after the wholesale jabbery.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564347

Includes a frank admission that the snake oils don’t reduce infection or transmission, or at least there’s no evidence. So, if they knew that before the jabbery, but gave the impression Snake Oil Macht Frei, they were lying on a huge scale. Maybe to head off mass rebellion when Christmas was snatched away?

422571 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Annie, 2, #126 of 1758 🔗

Summer holidays next.

421983 Annie, replying to Annie, 14, #127 of 1758 🔗

Nauseating Fascist claptrap, but includes admission that no snake oil can be shown to prevent infection or transmission. Of course they knew it all along, the liars.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564347

421986 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 1, #128 of 1758 🔗

sorry posted this link twice, lost track of the first one.

421987 primesinister, replying to primesinister, 10, #129 of 1758 🔗

Muzzle Muzzly Mizzly Mollox te whole affair is completly bollox.

422026 ▶▶ Annie, replying to primesinister, 4, #130 of 1758 🔗

Please join SAGE.They need you!

422678 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to primesinister, 1, #131 of 1758 🔗

Well said! I can see a knighthood in your future.

423057 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Spikedee1, #132 of 1758 🔗

Thankya

421991 TC, replying to TC, 29, #133 of 1758 🔗

Are 1 or 2 scientists starting to change viewpoints?
An Oppenheimer moment (O,my God,what have we done?)?
Changing opinion belatedly as further evidence is shown?
Or just starting to try and shift blame to the government and politicians before it gets put on them?
Any reliable news on Israel’s vaccination programme viz. outcomes?
Like buses, I’ve been offered the jab twice in 2 days and declined so far (supposedly more vulnerable than most) but I’m under pressure from family etc to take it.
Stay sane,everyone.

421998 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TC, 4, #134 of 1758 🔗

Devi has pivoted away from zero-Covid.

422337 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #135 of 1758 🔗

TC did ask about scientists though.

422350 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Mark, #136 of 1758 🔗

Harsh!

422504 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ken Garoo, #137 of 1758 🔗

But fair…

422705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Mark, 1, #138 of 1758 🔗

Technically, isn’t she a “‘The Science’tist” rather than a “scientist”?

422681 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #139 of 1758 🔗

Really? is that because her boss is doing the shiny object thing to stop those “awkward questions?” How ironic? God i hate Divi!

421994 Will, replying to Will, 5, #140 of 1758 🔗

The Telegraph article about an acceptable level of infection that quotes Heneghan has an excellent graph clearly showing the peak of deaths on the 19th January. Can someone cleverer than me please copy it as I was unable so to do.

422029 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Will, 11, #141 of 1758 🔗

Done.

422033 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Alex B, #142 of 1758 🔗

Thank you Alex B

422034 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Will, 1, #143 of 1758 🔗

No worries! 🙂

422616 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Alex B, #144 of 1758 🔗

It’s following the low curve of their model’s range quite well though even that is too pessimistic. Maybe they should be using the best case scenario instead of the worse. They might not look like utter catastrophising plonkers so much then.

422813 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Alex B, #145 of 1758 🔗

Looks like the ‘prediction’ used is the ‘worst case’ rather than ‘most likely’. Now there is a surprise. Is there any way of determining the 95% confidence interval for the predictions? I am assuming the Mad Modellers don’t bother with such trivia.

422903 ▶▶▶ Karin505, replying to Alex B, 2, #146 of 1758 🔗

It’s a perfect, Bell shaped curve according to Farr’s Law applied to epidemiology. Why Farr’s Law hasn’t been headlined from the get-go baffles me. Instead we had hysterical, exponential danger pummeled towards a public that has no perception of risk and daily deaths.

422999 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Alex B, 2, #147 of 1758 🔗

Hasn’t lockdown been wonderful – we must do it again sometime.

423731 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Old Bill, #148 of 1758 🔗

I’m thinking about taking a pass on that…

422270 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Will, 2, #149 of 1758 🔗

Your friend below shows a very few weeks when so-called vaccines were killing people in care homes. Look at ONS care home deaths. The pandemic finished at the end of last May. January had little to do with covid.

421996 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 80, #150 of 1758 🔗

They are trying to create apartheid and we MUST OPPOSE IT NOW!! The notion of needing a test result to gain entry to a building or access to goods and services or education is UTTERLY ABHORRENT. They must be stopped. They will get the public to accept it as being somehow more acceptable than vaccine passports. It is NOT! It creates a “diseased until proven healthy” regime. It will lead to a horrific standard and allow them to do what they are doing (repulsive forced solitary confinement – which is considered torture by the UN) to travellers from “red zone countries” to ANYONE. This is terrifying. A disgusting violation of human rights. We must mount a campaign to get this stopped immediately!! What should we do???

422000 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 60, #151 of 1758 🔗

They are not trying to create apartheid although that may be a by product.They want to make life so unbearable they we willingly submit to the vaccine and digital passport.That establishes the control grid.They can them move on to the next stage of the plan which is the reordering of the financial system and economy to conform to the zero carbon goals.

422006 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #152 of 1758 🔗

Yes I know… it’s horrific! But that is why we have to point out how unacceptable this next step is to unsuspecting businesses…

422016 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #153 of 1758 🔗

If the airlines and the travel industry haven’t worked it out by now then there isn’t a lot we can say.

422062 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #154 of 1758 🔗

Foreign travel I will forgo… for now… but there cannot be restriction to basic goods and services. That is unacceptable!

422472 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to jonathan Palmer, #155 of 1758 🔗

They have bought them in.

422268 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #156 of 1758 🔗

Remember it is a threat at the moment. The response should be not to give in to fear.

423456 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #157 of 1758 🔗

We are the carbon, that they want rid of. That should be clear to everyone by now. Everything else is a distraction.

422861 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #158 of 1758 🔗

i agree! and i just met 3 more wonderful people besides the wonderful friend i just discovered has been a sceptic all along and her husband is too,

the latest was a stranger in a store ,the sign to me that this is a possible fellow resister was the mask not covering mouth and nose,
so started chatting

who also wont get the vaccine and sees through it all .we are out there !

i hadnt been to a store in over a month because of my hatred of the rule[ only ever wear a scarf and do my best to let it fall down . and it still caused me so much stress.

will be writing to store owner soon , did monhts ago got no reply of course

422907 ▶▶ Karin505, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #159 of 1758 🔗

Looking at the actual Pfizer research and the exceptions, those who absolutely ought not be vaccinated, is a huge group at least 20-30% of the population (it’s on page 37 of the Pfizer research). Nevermind the trial ends in January 2023, what are those supposed to do?

How can people with exceptions prove they can holiday, travel, buy food? It’s another manmade humanitarian disaster and again, not highlighted in newspapers en TV. Why aren’t reporters reporting on this?

423494 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Karin505, 3, #160 of 1758 🔗

Why aren’t reporters reporting on this?

Because they are part of the scam, whether they know it or not.

421997 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #161 of 1758 🔗

BBC

Breaking News

Covid discovered in Chinese steel imports

UK government scientists have discovered traces of the Covid virus in steel imported from China as far back as 2006

A spokesperson for the not for profit charity The Steel Emporium said

‘This has grave implications in areas from retail consumption to construction. Most of us have this steel in appliances in our homes. In addition many buildings constructed in the past two decades have been constructed using steel beams imported from China’

An unnamed government spokesperson said they were watching developments closely. The spokesperson added that they did not yet understand the full implications of the discovery but would be making an announcement the day before lockdown restrictions were due to be lifted

422023 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 8, #162 of 1758 🔗

Reports of mutant steel rods are even now coming in from Colney Hatch.

422046 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Annie, 1, #163 of 1758 🔗

Told you

422076 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 1, #164 of 1758 🔗

And another one in Port Eliot in Conwall

422063 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 9, #165 of 1758 🔗

I have an iron will, but even I will have to steel myself for the results.
Face space rods.

422269 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, #166 of 1758 🔗

How can the virus possibly live long enough to get here? This is desperation.

422686 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 2, #167 of 1758 🔗

And it could be in Grant Snaps butt plug!!

421999 danny, replying to danny, 164, #168 of 1758 🔗

As a teacher I will not be sticking a giant chopstick up my nose to go to work. Neither will I inflict that on the children in my care.
If it somehow becomes illegal to refuse, then I will have to continue to teach via distance. I have been willing to work as per my contract since day one. If schools open tomorrow I will be there. But not like this. I will not be part of this insanity.

422002 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to danny, 44, #169 of 1758 🔗

Isn’t it time like-minded teachers got together, and start underground classrooms? Maybe, next door to the underground gym?

422011 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Jinks, 35, #170 of 1758 🔗

There are some of us, certainly more than the unions and the MSM would have you believe. But just like the great reopening, it is all about strength in numbers.

422068 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to danny, 12, #171 of 1758 🔗

It’s a conundrum, no doubt. But there must be an association of teachers/schools, who have done their best to keep schools open, to just get organised and start speaking out against these Common Purpose infiltrated unions!

423416 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Jinks, 2, #172 of 1758 🔗

MOST teachers are SCUM. I think the mathematics and science and language ones will be different. The arts ones are just SCUM who spent three years getting drunk and half heartedly handing in essays for some lightweight degree and now they think they are owed a living. They couldn’t survive a DAY in the private sector.

423413 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to danny, #173 of 1758 🔗

Yes, you MUST consider Underground Classrooms. It should be part of an underground economy, also, were those who refuse the jab to find themselves isolated from services. Though I hope it can all be STOPPED before then.

422060 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Jinks, 5, #174 of 1758 🔗

I’m in. Where do we sign up and how do we find the students?

422064 ▶▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to Jinks, 9, #175 of 1758 🔗

First rule of teach club is you don’t talk about teach club!

422232 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Jinks, 10, #176 of 1758 🔗

I think quite a few parents would opt out of the school system as long as they didn’t feel they had to do all the homeschooling themselves.

422240 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to LS99, 14, #177 of 1758 🔗

Of course they would. Plus think of the bonus of not having ‘woke’ teachers who only offer indoctrination. It was bad enough when my kids were at school, with all the climate change BS, and other ‘queer theory’ nonsense, schools have become fully on steroid indoctrination camps.

422263 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Jinks, 4, #178 of 1758 🔗

Remember “Free Schools”? Could be their time for a moment in the sun again. Though, being in Wales (West Wales at that) I’d have been up for that anyway if I were a parent.

422271 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jinks, #179 of 1758 🔗

Or online? I have already started.

422465 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Jinks, 7, #180 of 1758 🔗

In Germany, we have Doctors, Lawyers, Teacher, Parents fuer Aufklaerung (Enlightenment) since Day 1.
Viciously being diffamated and even prosecuted for their courage and work.

423420 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JayBee, 2, #181 of 1758 🔗

Yes, Sucharit Bhakdi is thinking about moving to Austria, Salzburg, to get away from mandatory mask mandates in schools and such things.

423070 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Jinks, 4, #182 of 1758 🔗

I think underground will be the destination for many other things the way things are going.

423733 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Jinks, #183 of 1758 🔗

And the underground pub and restaurant 😃

422003 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to danny, 6, #184 of 1758 🔗

If a country has ten million public servants that all go off for 6 months with stress, how much work in manhours will the government lose?
Show your working

422067 ▶▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #185 of 1758 🔗

I’m the head of statistics for a governmental department so this should be a doddle. 10 times 6, carry the 7, add 77 and divide it by Kuenssberg…. erm, anybody have a calculator?

422691 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to divoc origi 19, 6, #186 of 1758 🔗

Oh FFS just give it to Diane Abbot…..

422767 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #187 of 1758 🔗

Kajillions.

422815 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #188 of 1758 🔗

At 1.5 changed lightbulbs per million man hours per month, and factoring in breakages and changing the air in the room every 7.5 hours, that’s about ….

…0.0000001306218 [recurring]

422004 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, 25, #189 of 1758 🔗

good for you sir. we need more people like you, prepared to abandon the cowering attitude of ‘oh but my job, my job’ and first and foremost address this fascism, this creeping totalitarianism. do not consent to be its midwife. when the economy is crushed and the population duly culled, your job won’t be there any more anyway, will it

422017 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to JaneHarry, 29, #190 of 1758 🔗

Like some of the comments I read on here yesterday from people in other jobs, we all have bills to pay and families to support, so not many of us can just quit. But on the other hand, most of this, be it testing or vaccines, is not actually law. It seems that way but relies on compliance and an aura of legality, meaning enough people acquiesce.

423287 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #191 of 1758 🔗

Not creeping.
Galloping.

423409 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #192 of 1758 🔗

the totalitarianism isn’t creeping – it is rampant – truly rampant – I can no longer bear to watch TV because everything now is vegan/climate change/covid 19 propaganda and all so achingly woke. I am sick of constantly being brainwashed – there are only so many times you can shout at the TV in one day

422009 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to danny, 6, #193 of 1758 🔗

I suppose you could just chuck the testing kits in the bin and say that your kids continually test negative but thinking about it, I suppose our freedom loving government will insist on practical proof.

422014 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #194 of 1758 🔗

John Magufuli: test them on your goat or a papaya. nobody will know the difference! – but yes, you will still all be occasionally ordered to lock down on account of the positive result

422633 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #195 of 1758 🔗

Didn’t that papaya prove positive?

423261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Marialta, #196 of 1758 🔗

False positive!

423260 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #197 of 1758 🔗

Test them on freshly distilled water. Or just tell the bastards to eff off.

422025 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #198 of 1758 🔗

My office requires proof of weekly tests. I’m not sure this is strictly legal to be honest, demanding access to personal medical information. Fortunately I have a sane and decent line manager and nothing is ever said, but I am in a tiny minority.

422043 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Adamb, 1, #199 of 1758 🔗

Hope springs eternal.

422158 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #200 of 1758 🔗

Just draw the appropriate lines in the LFT and photograph it. I would imagine that the more mischievous kids will be drawing a pair of lines to get themselves and their class a couple of weeks off.

422914 ▶▶▶▶ davesmart, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #201 of 1758 🔗

Most LFT don’t include sample controls (i.e. a test line for something that shows the correct sample was applied). So just dip the swab in water. If the test comes up positive, you can immediately claim the test kit is defective and that you were simply testing a negative control (water) to ensure the result was accurate.
Or you can just keep your mouth shut, say your test result is negative and keep working.

422020 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to danny, 5, #202 of 1758 🔗

Good for you.

422022 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 5, #203 of 1758 🔗

Well said, danny.

422072 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to danny, 10, #204 of 1758 🔗

Thank you Danny, I wish more teachers would stand up to this nonsense and to the unions. I really want to withhold consent for my kids but desperately want them to get back to education and their friends.

422103 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to End of Tether, 8, #205 of 1758 🔗

Is there medical exemption for an extreme gag reflex leading to the recipient of the swab throwing up? I was told by my dentist that it’s genetic so would work for the whole family. (Unless they suggest the anal swab…)

423288 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jos, 2, #206 of 1758 🔗

My dentist calls it ‘sensitive palate’.

422081 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 6, #207 of 1758 🔗

Hear, hear!!! We need more teachers like you ready to stand up to this nonsense. I’m amazed that many in that profession are willing to sacrifice children’s future and well being over what is a bad cold or flu season.

There will be hell to pay for this.

422094 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to danny, 5, #208 of 1758 🔗

I fully agree with you.
The worry I have got is whether children who don’t want to be tested are going to be treated like lepers?

422304 ▶▶ Felice, replying to danny, 10, #209 of 1758 🔗

If testing is done at home, why does it need to be done properly? Surely you could just stick a chopstick a little way up a nose, enough to get some snot on it, and leave it at that?
That way, it would be quietly undermining the whole show.

422697 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Felice, 7, #210 of 1758 🔗

Or just pour water on the tester. I’ll be fucked if I’m sticking that thing up my nose and doing a Linda Lovelace twice a week.

422917 ▶▶▶▶ davesmart, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #211 of 1758 🔗

You wouldn’t want to be doing Linda Lovelace twice a week – she’s been dead for years…

422308 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, 8, #212 of 1758 🔗

Self testing is as useful as self identifying as the opposite gender
Complete bollox and open to abuse

422707 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to danny, 10, #213 of 1758 🔗

The thing is mate who would admit to having it? Two weeks in solitary for you, your children and the whole class and their teacher? What madness is this. For a group totally unaffected by the virus. Worlds gone mad. Especially as you have ACTUAL COUNTRIES and some U.S states fully open to compare against. Salute your bravery in standing up to it.

I hope you are not marking these replies, my punctuation sucks, lol. Must do better!!

422001 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 72, #214 of 1758 🔗

Substantial fall in Covid infections show that lockdown measures are working.
NO, IT PROVES THAT HERD IMMUNITY IS WORKING AS IT HAS DONE SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME.

422013 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #215 of 1758 🔗

Meaningless anyway since the measuring tool is useless …

422015 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to norwegian, 2, #216 of 1758 🔗

Of course.

422711 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to norwegian, 1, #217 of 1758 🔗

True but even when their only idiotic tool that has been giving out wrong info since day one turns against them you know it’s all going Pete Tong!

423374 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #218 of 1758 🔗

Or that the flu season is now coming to its normal end.

422005 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 69, #219 of 1758 🔗

“It’s against my religion to take medical tests.” Say it loud and clear. A religion can be a deeply held philosophical belief. If they refuse you entry or goods and services, you are being discriminated against on the grounds of your religion. Violation of the Equality Act 2010. MY HEALTH, MY BUSINESS. They are attempting to remove our privacy rights, having already removed half our human rights. These fuckers want to UK to become the poster child for the “new normal” of a “social credit” system. This is the most sinister, oppressive regime and we have to stop them!

422038 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 19, #220 of 1758 🔗

It is against my faith to ingest aborted fetal cells eg Moderna vaxx or any vaxx tested against a murdered baby. It is also against my faith to ingest drugs of any sort from opium to RNA changing concoctions. I don’t need it. I am not sick. I cannot transmit. I refer to Descartes for the obvious links in logic with a footnote to Ockham.

422073 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 41, #221 of 1758 🔗

Ooh can we start a new religion?
it will prohibit the wearing of face coverings, and all medical interventions for the healthy (apart from contraception I suppose).

A key tenet of the religion will be close social contact, especially in pubs.Alcohol is considered a sacred substance that can only be drunk and not wasted in tubs of hand sanitizer.

Adherents to the religion should get their hair made as beautiful as possible and should not be prohibited from having their grey roots touched up, if this is considered by the devoted to make their hair more acceptable in the eyes of their god or their soul will be damned or something.

Zoom meetings and school lessons instead of in person ones are heresy.

422088 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to sophie123, 16, #222 of 1758 🔗

They’ve set up a new religion anyway – the Church of the NHS and Wokerati so we should do tit for tat and set up our own.

No antisocial distancing, no masks, no gunk, no one way system; lots of hugs and everythinh open.

What should we call it?

422220 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to sophie123, 16, #223 of 1758 🔗

There is one that’s started very small – it’s on Instagram. It’s called “Human Functionism” – the belief that our human functions work best with minimal medical intervention, that we need to breathe unobstructed, that close human contact is vital for our survival… it’s really important. Go check it out…

422457 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to sophie123, 2, #224 of 1758 🔗

Where do I sign?

422718 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to sophie123, 2, #225 of 1758 🔗

Ooh ooh! What about you have to listen to live, loud music in the pub and the evening will end all hugging and singing the sacred tunes. Wonderwall and American Pie. A long, long time ago, I can still remember!!

422120 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 27, #226 of 1758 🔗

I have believed from the start that this is leading to the events we see in Revelation and nothing has happened yet to dissuade me from that. We are heading towards a one world monetary system, a cashless society and some kind of proof of vaccination to buy and sell. Therefore I will not partake in any of these rules because it goes against my faith. I do not follow Satan or any of his evil plans, I follow Christ.

422281 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Liberty, 5, #227 of 1758 🔗

We know how it ends:

Rev 14:8 Another angel, a second, followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality.”

422302 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 8, #228 of 1758 🔗

Okay… let’s all become orthodox Christians. I’m game!! I believe in good over evil, and what we are witnessing is pure evil. I’ll go where the good people are. But none of the Catholic stuff, okay? Some of that is spooky. Not all Catholics are wrong, I know lovely reasonable ones who are more culturally Catholic than zealots ones – they scare me!

422814 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #229 of 1758 🔗

Not Catholic here, just a Bible believing, Jesus loving Christian. He has the answers, it was written down 2000 years ago. This is first and foremost a spiritual battle, good against evil. The ending’s good, but you need to be on the right side. Now’s the time to consider whether John 3:16 is true.

423216 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, #230 of 1758 🔗

Is that the nonsense about Jesus being “the son of God”? Well, there is no God and Jesus was a great Arab teacher, son of a carpenter. His whole teaching was to tell us how the bible’s “eye for an eye” would leave us all blind. Two-thirds of the bible you believe is actually what Jesus fought against.

423672 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bungle, 1, #231 of 1758 🔗

Bungle, I really appreciate your engagement in this subject. Jesus said, ‘ Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.’ Matthew 5:17. Jesus is the fulfilment of all that was promised in the Old Testament. After he returned to Heaven he gave us his Holy Sprit so that we do not need to follow the Old Testament laws, but have Jesus with us (by his Holy Spirit) to help us to rise above even those laws and ‘turn the other cheek’. We no longer seek revenge because Jesus fills us with his love and we often don’t even desire it, but if we struggle, he helps us overcome. The Old Testament laws were give before Jesus was born and so people needed laws to guide their lives. Now the Word and the Spirit are our guides. I’m not trying to Bible bash you, only stand up for the One who died for me and you.

Please feel free to send me a DM if you want to seriously debate/discuss this subject. I have read the Bible through several times and have followed Jesus for nearly 30 years, I would be happy to discuss this subject with you, but this comments section is probably not the place.

422933 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Liberty, 5, #232 of 1758 🔗

Same here. And I genuinely believe that as the entire fiction is based on lies, and to participate in lies is sin, it is absolutely my duty to not comply with that which is not true, let alone nakedly evil.

423038 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #233 of 1758 🔗

It is only sin if we know they are lying. There are many who seem completely oblivious. Maybe the truth would terrify them(thinking of some of the older people in my church). They have always trusted the government and the BBC and I don’t think they are ready to have their bubble burst. Many will go to their grave believing that Boris is trying to help them. Thankfully there are some churches who are awake and seeing the signs of the times. Tony Pearce from Bridge Lane Fellowship has been a clear voice throughout this.

423381 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Liberty, 1, #234 of 1758 🔗

Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes law and neither can it be an excuse for believing the fear porn, that spews out of the BBC and most other mainstream media 24/7. It is incumbent on of each of us to do the leg work and get somewhere as near to the truth, as we possibly can. Most people are simply lazy and want to believe that the government really loves them.

423677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Rowan, 1, #235 of 1758 🔗

Some elderly people in particular don’t use the internet and only watch the MSM. Can we give them some grace? Also the Behavioural Insights a team have worked hard to brainwash people. Some of those we love have simply been completely brainwashed.

423270 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to JamesDrebin, #236 of 1758 🔗

The Xtians stole everything from paganism. See The Jesus Mysteries, was the original Jesus a pagan God? by T. Freke and P. Gandy.

422007 PatrickF, 3, #237 of 1758 🔗

Nose throat arse

422008 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #238 of 1758 🔗

The dictatorship has announced that it has no plans to ban the sale of custard slices

422012 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 2, #239 of 1758 🔗

PHEW!!

422774 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #240 of 1758 🔗

And there will be an increase in the chocolate ration.

422021 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 20, #241 of 1758 🔗

But only if the top slice is socially distanced from the bottom slice, and the custard in between is sanitised, and tested twice a day.

422035 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Annie, 13, #242 of 1758 🔗

You are making things up now. Not taking Covid seriously could lead to the death of four million babies. Please behave yourself

422041 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 3, #243 of 1758 🔗

Yes, don’t you know that having a sense of humour is absolute proof of Covid infection?

422036 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #244 of 1758 🔗

DOH!!!

422010 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #245 of 1758 🔗
422024 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to p02099003, 9, #246 of 1758 🔗

Massive propaganda campaign to persuade the ethnic communities to take the jab.It will be full of straw men arguments without ever addressing the main points.
Why do we need a vaccine for a virus within such a high survival rate and no one can claim it is safe,because of lack of testing.

423425 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to jonathan Palmer, #247 of 1758 🔗

and, last time I checked, when did the “featured” celebrities invoking their fellow BAME citizens to have the vaccine obtain their medical degrees? How on earth do they have ANY authority, moral or otherwise, to exhort people to take up an experimental vaccine with no known safety track record? They should hand their heads in shame.

422028 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to p02099003, 16, #248 of 1758 🔗

As an African of Indian descent and a medical doctor with over 400 years experience I can definatly say that the pronouncements of these three stooges will increase the ‘vaccine’ refusal rate amongst BAME

422055 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 9, #249 of 1758 🔗

As a person of colour (white) I agree.

422364 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PatrickF, 1, #250 of 1758 🔗

You are a person of all colours, the ultimate in light spectrum diversity.

422386 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 1, #251 of 1758 🔗

person of light
is the correct term

422944 ▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #252 of 1758 🔗

I identify as a PONCE (person of no colour ethnically).

423203 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Cecil B, 1, #253 of 1758 🔗

BAME groups should be reading this paper by a retired NHS consultant and demanding vitamin D not vaccines
http://www.drdavidgrimes.com/2020/10/covid-19-and-vitamin-d-summary-of.html
Also his Nov 2020 blog on the relative lifespans of white and BAME doctors. Absolutely staggering difference, thought to be due to greater deficiency in the latter.

423430 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to John001, #254 of 1758 🔗

I’ve been saying this since the day we first locked down last year – it’s all about the vitamin D status and the wonderful NHS that this is all supposed to be about is woeful at testing and treating for vit D status and deficiency

423272 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Cecil B, #255 of 1758 🔗

Only 400!

422065 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to p02099003, 4, #256 of 1758 🔗

“Sky’s Stephen van Rooyen, meanwhile, said the network was “proud to be part of the biggest roadblock in television history”.

Roadblock? They’re talking about there being so much “misinformation” online. Yet they seem to be using celebrities who are not religious, and many of those in the BAME communituty are religious and will not take this vaccine for that reason.

422111 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to this is my username, 6, #257 of 1758 🔗

This was really interesting. Sky news did an article about a rogue minister in August who sold fake Covid healing kits. More recently they’ve wheeled out the same guy to convince his congregation and the black Christian community that the vaccine is good(with no mention of his previous behaviour). Both the minister and Sky news are clearly very corrupt. This gives Christianity a bad name. I do not believe this man can know Jesus. Please don’t ever think someone like this reflects Jesus, this man is a liar and a charlatan. The government are trying to use faith leaders for their evil plans. That was one of the suggestions at Event 201. Good to know they are following the script.

here are the links to both stories.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mfG-fBYYAiM&feature=share
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-investigation-into-church-which-sold-covid-19-plague-protection-kits-12057073

422126 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Liberty, 1, #258 of 1758 🔗

Anyone promoting this filth is no Christian!

422816 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Jinks, #259 of 1758 🔗

I agree, but he does no good for those of us who truly believe.

422280 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, #260 of 1758 🔗

I think the Spanish invaders of S. America did enough for Christianity’s bad name, don’t you?

422831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bungle, 4, #261 of 1758 🔗

This is first and foremost a spiritual battle, it has been raging since the fall of man. Satan hates Christians and wants to destroy us. One of his favourite ways to destroy is from the inside because a house divided cannot stand. The true church has remained strong and faithful throughout persecution and we will not falter today, for we stand not in our own strength, but in the strength of God. The God of the Bible is not the God that many people think He is, He is the God of love, but many have entered into the church in an attempt to slander His name, but the truth remains, He never changes, He is love.

422940 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Liberty, 4, #262 of 1758 🔗

The so called “Christian” radio stations have also been pumping out truly overt grotesque vaccine propaganda. Very sad to see Satanic state medical tyranny being praised.

423040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #263 of 1758 🔗

Indeed, I have avoided them in favour of decent preachers. JD Farag has given some fascinating prophecy updates, explaining everything we see going on from a Biblical perspective.

422294 ▶▶ mj, replying to p02099003, 10, #264 of 1758 🔗

the article says
“The film will not be shown on the BBC because the corporation’s charter prevents it from taking part in campaigns,”

finally stopped laughing at this. The BBC is prevented from taking part in campaigns???
Nearly every journo in the BBC is campaigning, whether it is on covid, climate change, gender, indoctrination of children, wrong sort of politics etc etc . BBC policy is campaigning .

422019 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #265 of 1758 🔗

99 year old in hospital (private, of course) but it’s not Covid related.
Hello!!!, us sceptics don’t automatically think that everybody over 90 who goes into hospital has got covid and only covid.

422040 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #266 of 1758 🔗

He will test positive in due course

It is pre ordained

422048 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 1, #267 of 1758 🔗

Probably.

422056 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Cecil B, 7, #268 of 1758 🔗

But… but… he’s had THE VACCINE!

422373 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #269 of 1758 🔗

I looked into his eyes yesterday in the picture in the ToryGraph. He is already a zombie. hasta la vista in 5 day tops sadlidied of the lurgy. Epitaph: If not for the lurgy he might have lied to 1000 years old.

422032 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 6, #270 of 1758 🔗

For anyone who runs a business or knows anyone who runs a business, how much financial help has the government given businesses and is this enough to keep business afloat. Lack of financial help I believe drove restaurants in Italy to re-open.

422061 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 333 of lockdown), replying to Ianric, 14, #271 of 1758 🔗

I am in shared building and don’t pay the business rates so could not get automatic grant, only discretionary. I have lost £100k so far and received a grant of £3k. Travel agents were also removed from list of those required to close as work could be continued from home. Many have missed out within travel industry. No specific sector help despite being the worst hit. https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/news/tour-operators/ons-data-reveals-covid-impact-on-travel-sector

422736 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sarigan (Day 333 of lockdown), 4, #272 of 1758 🔗

Mate I am so sorry. It’s a disgrace that this is not front page news. As soon as there is a sniff that we can get away I am on the first plane out of here. Fuck Cornwall! It would be nice if we could set up a help your sceptic page where you can put your details and we can help out by using your services. I will send a suggestion to Will.

422349 ▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to Ianric, 3, #273 of 1758 🔗

The amount my wife’s business receives covers 65% of just the rent. It’s our personal savings keeping it afloat.

It feels akin to being analy violated and having to pay for the lube.

422380 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Ianric, 5, #274 of 1758 🔗

We’ve lost about 30-40k, the grants pay the rent and elec etc. Luckily every time we reopen the business goes nuts, so we are lucky to have such loyal customers.
In my opinion the grants are just bullshit cover for supporting the banks again, council pays you, you pay landlord, landlord pays banks. The same with furlough govt>you>mortgage. Its not done out of kindness to you or your business its to keep the banks solvent. Fuckers

422042 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 46, #275 of 1758 🔗

I think I have read every edition of LDS since it started. The tone at the start of it and the comments was to rebut the arguements for lockdown and put forward reasoned alternatives to save society and the economy. Now it is ever increasing anger and frustration as we move towards a one Covid Party state under our Lord Protector Boris.

Looking on the bright side, hopefully when the revolution comes he’ll have his potato head chopped off.

422047 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Stephen Williams, 6, #276 of 1758 🔗

After he’s dead?

422044 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 12, #277 of 1758 🔗

Morning all!

If you missed it in the round up yesterday, here’s our latest episode!

Ep 20. Charles Walker for PM, Modelling, Travel bans, AOB!
This week we look at the crazy travel ban restrictions. Hotel quarantine and rules. We applaud Sir Charles Walker as he slams Matt Hancock. Midge delves into the modelling madness and economic calamity plus we revisit FUEU, read your emails and enter a heated debate about kebabs.

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/7897036-ep-20-charles-walker-for-pm-modelling-travel-bans-aob

If you’d like to email us you can here: therealnormalpodcast@gmail.com
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422737 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #278 of 1758 🔗

Good podcast this week guys. The modelling bit was spot on!

422045 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 21, #279 of 1758 🔗

Fascists always go after the Kids.

Force the kids to test every week, maybe every day. Ramp up the hysteria. Bag them in diapers – triple diapers soon to be sure.

Then force them to take a vaxx…..that will be the next slippery slope step.

LDS has always promoted vaxx’s, it must be happy that forcing 99.7% of the pop who have no issue with the magical CV 19 to ingest experimental drugs is going to be de rigeuer policy.

They always start with the children.

422740 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FerdIII, #280 of 1758 🔗

Then put them in brown shirts…….

422049 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 36, #281 of 1758 🔗

They’re not coming near my children. This is one mama bear they do not want to stir. I might like to write, but I’ll use that to fight, my children’s future’s at stake, these tests they won’t take!

TEST MY CHILDREN? NOT ON MY WATCH!

Boris can’t stop spending,

He really cannot rest,

He’s had a new idea,

The youngsters he will test.

To boost the Covid cases,

And keep us all locked up,

He needs to test the children,

Our leader is corrupt.

The children they will suffer,

They’re learning to obey,

Just follow all their orders,

To question’s not ok.

We need to wake up quickly,

Their brainwashing our youth,

We must say no to testing,

We must stand up for truth.

422051 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Liberty, 3, #282 of 1758 🔗

Excellent!

422070 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 4, #283 of 1758 🔗

Liberty! I love your posts! Please start a blog… what’s your real user name? I want to reach out via DM

422075 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #284 of 1758 🔗

I believe that it is ichthys. It was my mistake when registering. Anyway try that. I’ll look out for a message 🙂 .

422079 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Liberty, 3, #285 of 1758 🔗

Hello, just managed to reply to your private message. Hope to hear from you again soon.
Blessings.

423328 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, #286 of 1758 🔗

!!!

422052 Helen, 17, #287 of 1758 🔗

THE GREAT RECALL

Corona Ausschuss

4 hour summary in English of legal actions from around the world.

UK is conspicuous by its absence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-9mIzS-Gq0&feature=emb_logo

422053 Will, replying to Will, 8, #288 of 1758 🔗

So, the virus has been falling away since just after Christmas because we have reached the seasonal, endemic equilibrium; the same thing happened in the middle of March 2020. What are the bets that “researchers” will now conclude that the reason for this is that the “vaccines” have stopped transmission? Thank God for New Zealand!!!

422134 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 9, #289 of 1758 🔗

Normal seasonal recurrence dressed up as second wave just as predicted here many times from about May last year onwards.

422743 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Will, 1, #290 of 1758 🔗

And let’s see how NZ does in winter??

422058 CivilianNotCovidian, 30, #291 of 1758 🔗

Let’s get this out there! Remember… we are the lucky ones. We have never been taken in. The poor souls who have been terrorised into staying locked up in their houses, making their homes their prisons… they need rescuing!

An Englishman’s home is his castle NOT his PRISON!

422059 Cabar Feidh, 7, #292 of 1758 🔗

Good morning.Some of you may be interested in reading ‘Live Not By Lies’ by Rod Dreher. He explores the stories of Christians who lived under Communist regimes and how they are alarmed by what they see happening in the world today. A thought-provoking and challenging read.

422069 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #293 of 1758 🔗

The Devon Live news reports on Covid;
Across Devon there are currently 71 areas which are cluster-free, according to the latest data. The recent figures released by the Government today, relating to new positive Covid-19 cases between February 6 and February 12, also showed the whole of Torridge is now cluster free. (A cluster free area means there have been less than three new positive cases recorded in one seven-day-period.).
So effectively the local press is reporting that my area along with many others in Devon are effectively at Zero-Covid. I have recently had replies from my MP and local Devon County Councillor, both conservative but surprisingly the replies though not sceptical, were positive and seemed to express genuine concern for the effect of lockdown on local children, rural community life and small businesses. Apparently all Devon MPs are meeting on weekly basis to discuss the lockdown situation, one can only guess that they are finding it difficult to support draconian life debilitating lockdowns in areas that seem to rapidly be going zero-covid. Hopefully a small chink of light? if one brick comes out of the wall there is a chance the wall might fall down? … we live in hope.

422749 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #294 of 1758 🔗

But how will they vote when the lockdown, C/V act comes up for renewal? If they can see its wrong and there are lots of areas with similar numbers they must vote this down to take away the government’s powers.

422077 alw, replying to alw, 6, #295 of 1758 🔗

If you want to make a difference please circulate this information by whatever social media you use or print out and hand to people.

“Covid in Context”

http://covid-context.com/assets/leaflet.pdf

422608 ▶▶ RoseE, replying to alw, 1, #296 of 1758 🔗

Thank you, alw, I will add this leaflet to my anger-busting bombardment of flyers on my self-righteous, virtue signalling village (Back to Normal, backtonormal.org.uk, and Recovery, timeforrecovery.org, already out there).

422078 alw, replying to alw, 28, #297 of 1758 🔗
  • “According to psychiatrist and medical legal expert Dr. Mark McDonald, the true public health crisis is not COVID-19 itself; rather, it’s the fear of the infection, which has “morphed and evolved into a form of mass delusional psychosis”
  • Many enter a state of hysteria when they see an unmasked person, even if they look perfectly healthy and clearly are not suffering from any kind of respiratory issue. This is a highly irrational state that has no basis in reality
  • Delusion is defined as believing something that doesn’t conform with reality
  • There are serious concerns about the lasting effects this widespread insanity will have on children as they grow up. One of the worst traumas children suffer as a result of all this fearmongering is the idea that they may kill their parents or grandparents simply by being around them
  • Treating the children’s trauma in therapy is not going to be enough, as parents and other adults are the ones creating the trauma by their own exaggerated fear response. To heal a generation of traumatized children, we must first address the psychosis of the adult population”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/18/the-psychological-state-of-america.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&sd=20210130&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210218&mid=DM798025&rid=1086751774

422096 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to alw, 22, #298 of 1758 🔗

This is spot on…I have seen the look of terror on some people’s faces when they see me approaching without a mask even though I am perfectly healthy. I did try to explain that to one who was clinging to a wall to avoid me but that seemed to send her into a fit of hysterical rage.

She was certainly suffering from a delusion and she may well be a future resident in a psychy ward.

422118 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Boris Bullshit, 19, #299 of 1758 🔗

I have had people literally jump out of the way when they have seen me in the supermarket. This is not uncommon.

It will take a heck of a lot for those people to even regain some semblance of ‘normality’. People have been literally terrified by govt and the psychosis is deep and possibly permanent.

422178 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 9, #300 of 1758 🔗

To HELL with those people. WE will live, regardless.

422179 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 14, #301 of 1758 🔗

I still remember that woman who turned to face the wall when I walked past her in the escalator. And a colleague who constantly tried to back off me.

Both of them are definitely good candidate for a spell in the funny farm.

422255 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #302 of 1758 🔗

When someone pulls that “leap a mile away from me and look Scaredy” stunt at me – I definitely never thank them for moving aside and, in fact, give them a very quizzical/puzzled look, as in “WTF? I wonder why on earth they are moving away from me for no good reason” look.

422434 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to ElizaP, 5, #303 of 1758 🔗

If they are wearing a mask I sometimes say “thank you for protecting me” then laugh maniacally.

423104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #304 of 1758 🔗

Ive found myself doing similar things

422323 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to alw, 1, #305 of 1758 🔗

Good find – this is the only way to try and sway those on the fence
Not with conspiracy (even if you believe it is or not) but with tangible arguments that relate to everyday life

423641 ▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to alw, 1, #306 of 1758 🔗

As an example of how people have literally stopped being able to assess real and imaginary risk, we recently had to brake to avoid hitting a woman who actually stepped off the pavement into the path of an oncoming car to ‘make space’ for another pedestrian! Government messaging is going to kill people. Lucky for her we were a car of sceptics and looking out for such deranged behaviour.

423645 ▶▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to lost in inner space, #307 of 1758 🔗

Actually, gov messaging already has killed people, but jumping in front of cars is a new low.

422082 Richy_m_99, 18, #308 of 1758 🔗

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/

Bill Gates says you all might need three shots not two, and then boosters. Or in other words, give me a few more hundred billion.

422083 alw, replying to alw, 28, #309 of 1758 🔗

@laworfiction
Teachers who go along with this should examine their conscience.
They should say NO. They are not required to cooperate with this experiment and, like parents, should demand assessment of the risks to mental health of this indoctrination of fear.
We are creating long covid.

422173 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to alw, 15, #310 of 1758 🔗

IF we get through this, leading members of teaching unions need to be put on trial for complicity and silence, and if found guilty, imprisoned for life. And I mean, LIFE!

ANYONE on this forum who disagrees with this is just does not understand the HORROR of what is due to happen.

I am SICK of apologists for these SCUM.

422234 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #311 of 1758 🔗

Including school governors who are supporting the teachers. One of these school governors is an Oxford educated neighbour…so up her own fundament. Say no more.

422369 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to alw, 2, #312 of 1758 🔗

Major leaders of Unions are recruited or coopted by State Security.

422085 kpaulsmith1463, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 18, #313 of 1758 🔗

‘Parents to test school children twice a week’

…suuuuuure, they are.

While UKGOV’s schemes have already, largely, come off the rails, this wizard wheeze is will surely reduce them to twisted, steaming scrap metal.

422438 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to kpaulsmith1463, 3, #314 of 1758 🔗

I bet most will just pretend. Maybe ask the kid to pop it in its mouth, just in case they have been brainwashed by the school and start talking. My god, that we have come to this.

422086 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 51, #315 of 1758 🔗

BBC

Breaking news

Government announces new £5bn job creation scheme for graduates

The ‘Pick Up To Make Up’ government funded scheme will provide employment for up to 5,000 graduates leaving University this year

The scheme will involve picking up discarded face masks, cutting them up by hand and repurposing them as insulation for ground source heat pumps

Foreign exchange student Whoda Thunkit welcomed the scheme

Whoda who is in the third year of her GreenTree Life Skills course at the University of Portreath said

‘This is great news. Even without Covid there was no chance of me getting a job with my qualification.

It’s been a really tough year but I now feel it has all been worth it. I have not left my room in the halls of residence since March and have survived on fellow students sliding tins of baked beans under the door”

Whoda has also had personal tragedy to contend with this year having lost 14.8 relatives including three step dads

Whoda added

“Things are really looking up now. I hope to get a job in the sorting depot as it pays 10p an hour more”

(This news item has been fat checked by the Cecil B Foundation)

422089 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Cecil B, 5, #316 of 1758 🔗

You’re on a roll Cecil! Keep making me chuckle.

422092 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cecil B, 6, #317 of 1758 🔗

I only got as far as Whoda Thunkit 🤣 😂 🤣

422136 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Cecil B, 7, #318 of 1758 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣
The Cecil B Foundation should fat check EVERYTHING

422242 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to sophie123, 1, #319 of 1758 🔗

Should be in charge of everything!

422241 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Cecil B, 2, #320 of 1758 🔗

You made me chuckle. This no more absurd than much of the stuff churned out by the government machine

422324 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 1, #321 of 1758 🔗

White people need not apply

422087 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 21, #322 of 1758 🔗

The fetishisation of old age.

Has anyone else noticed the contrast of the current era with the era around 2016?

Then there was a fetishisation of youth who were seen as pro EU and open, cosmopolitan, forward looking etc. By contrast the oldies were seen as racist and backward and xenophobic.

Fast forward to 2020 and the oldies are suddenly seen as wise and cuddly and so valuable that the economy must be trashed to save them. By contrast the young are pilloried for being selfish and irresponsible for disregarding the dangers of covid.

Any thoughts?

422098 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #323 of 1758 🔗

just shows how susceptible and absurd people are, and how successful media manipulation/77th brigade is.

422100 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Boris Bullshit, 18, #324 of 1758 🔗

It’s more like death is unacceptable and tragic. Just look at the maudlin reactions to Captain Tom’s death, the man was 100 for crying out loud but the papers were making it like it was tragic. Instead of being philosophical about the whole thing and saying that he had a good life and dying at 100 was a send off.

Our society has become so averse to death. Witness how people have gone ape over deaths of characters from TV dramas. And this going ape has now transpired into real life where suddenly its unaccpetable to die and those of us who question the narrative are regularly denounced as callous and wanting people to die.

That said since when was it acceptable to die of cancer or suicide but not for Great Aunt Ethel to die of Covid? (to paraphrase Sir Charles Walker)

Discuss.

422115 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #325 of 1758 🔗

The destruction of multi-generational households in the same neighborhoods, is probably the biggest factor. As well, medical advancement in prolonging life, as opposed to health, has meant caring for the very elderly today, is a very different proposition from what it was 50 years ago.

422189 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 4, #326 of 1758 🔗

I’m not too sure about multi-generational houseohlds even in the same neigbourhood as they have their downsides as well especially with the old able to exert control over and able to bully their children and grandchildren. But that’s for another day.

I do agree with the medical advancement in prolonging life – it has extended the lifespan but not necessarily the quality of life.

422226 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #327 of 1758 🔗

coming from an abusive caste-based patriarchal community, I agree there are sometimes terrible downsides in close-knit communities, however, when it works, which it would always, given the right social infrastructure, there is a support system, which, when it’s unavailable, you become a reluctant client of the state, with no real autonomy in the process.

422298 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 2, #328 of 1758 🔗

Agree. I come from an East Asian culture which reveres the old hence why I said the above about the old having the ability to exert control or bully the younger generation. Another downside is lazy members of the family taking advantage of the ones who have bettered themselves.

Both systems have pros and cons. I always believe that the best way is to be financially independent so one does not have to rely on the family or the state.

422318 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #329 of 1758 🔗

How to find the fine line between responsibility and independence? It’s all very well being financially independent, but when it comes to the time, I don’t want a stranger helping me to wipe my bottom, and I certainly don’t want to spend my last few days in a hospital/care home, at the mercy of the organisation, regardless how benign and well run and my sincerest hope is, I hope I won’t burden my children, but that they’ll be there for me 8f needed.

422670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, #330 of 1758 🔗

Good question and I don’t think there’s a foolproof answer.

I don’t have children and Mr Bart and I have agreed that we will go into a home while we’re still fairly alert and well.

422273 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #331 of 1758 🔗

i am staying with my mother (age 90+ and dementia) whilst my stepfather 90+ is her carer and he is in hospital for an operation. My mum isnt my mum anymore and her quality of life is poor. Would i be grieving if she died. no – i would be sad, and i would miss her but i do already. That is being philosophical about it, as Bart suggests, and it is the only way to deal with death

422293 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mj, 4, #332 of 1758 🔗

Exactly. When my maternal grandmother died at the age of 102, my mum simply said that it was good the way she died – peacefully and that she had a good run.

Was she sad? Yes but that was about it.

422356 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #333 of 1758 🔗

There is no society. You have close family, friends if your lucky. Our so called society is just manipulation, just theatre

422121 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #334 of 1758 🔗

Not all of them. Many are like Gagool: greedier for life than the young, and anxious to throw everything into the maw if death in order to save themselves.

422379 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 7, #335 of 1758 🔗

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a needle jabbed into a human arm — for ever.” ― Billyus Gatesus, 2021

422124 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #336 of 1758 🔗

I think you are absolutely right…I think the commentariat pick groups that can be used as a battering ram to further their deeper agenda. Its all bollocks and a cover for the real motives. We saw the same with BLM who were strangely silent on black on black drive by shootings in Chicago and regular genocide in African states.

422145 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #337 of 1758 🔗

It’s about creating divisions even where none exist to destabilise society and leave people without trust and support and weakened to the point that they will comply more easily – as many people have said on here, it’s the technique of the abuser. So many have been Stockholm syndromed into compliance and of course the next group to be targeted will be the unvaccinated (I’ve just been asked by a vaccinated relative whether I still use the local supermarket and when I said I did there was a response that suggested to me that he didn’t approve of such dangerous and antisocial behaviour).

422208 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jos, 4, #338 of 1758 🔗

Tell him/her you don’t approve of the anti social behaviour of people who support the destruction of society for a virus that almost everyone recovers from. Time to bin that relative off the christmas card list.

422246 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jos, 15, #339 of 1758 🔗

It looks as if the vaxxed have been primed to put pressure on the rest of us to conform by saying “OOOOOH….I don’t feel safe near you (ie because you’ve not been vaxxed)”. They’re hoping our fears of being sent to Coventry (and yes I can think of a ?friend? who I’m aware might pull that stunt on me and several others likely to join her in doing so) will ensure we get vaxxed. So if they are weak-minded enough to believe all that guff and to then be so nasty to me as to even think of doing that to me = then why would I want to be friends with them anyway? I’d rather go out and find some new friends – amongst nice people this time. Frankly – I’d rather spend my life as a hermit than be amongst nasty/selfish people like vax pushers.

422450 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to ElizaP, 1, #340 of 1758 🔗

Just pretend, I will do so with certain people.

422131 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #341 of 1758 🔗

Propaganda works

422196 ▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #342 of 1758 🔗

Yes. I was talking to my mum about this several days ago. I remember there being lots of noise around the fact that so many old Brexit voters will have died as the months went on so could we now possibly re-run the referendum? All said in a vaguely hilarious tone but venomous nonetheless.

This was only a few years ago. We cannot be the only people to remember this stuff? I am baffled.

422235 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Still Got It, 4, #343 of 1758 🔗

I remember that – and as someone that isn’t elderly yet (still in my 60’s) thinking “How DARE you wish me dead – because I voted for Brexit. That’s my right and my business. Tough luck matey on trying to pull a stunt like that – I’ll still be alive myself to vote the exact same way again”.

422224 ▶▶ kpaulsmith1463, replying to Boris Bullshit, 7, #344 of 1758 🔗

Might have something to do with the fact that virtually all the drivers of this car crash planet are, themselves, long-in-the-tooth. From Klaus to Fauci to Boris to Farmer Bill, himself, they’re all more than a bit shop-worn, aren’t they.
Moreover, for as long as I can remember, the young have been convenient scapegoats for society’s ills.

422333 ▶▶ JSmith, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #345 of 1758 🔗

I have had this thought since the very beginning of all this; I remember in 2016 when the results of the referendum came in and there was a very nasty response from a lot of the people I worked with at the time, directed mainly toward the older generation, whom they blamed for the result.
Fast forward to December 2019 and the Conservative victory; I was working somewhere else but the reaction was the same – I have a vivid memory of one of my coworkers saying “well it’s the old people’s fault, but that’s fine, they’ll all be dead soon anyway”
What’s interesting about her and those like her, they’re all very left wing progressive types. This very same person, come March 2020, was singing to the hymn sheet of the Conservative party: save the NHS! And of course that cloying phrase “stay safe!” Hand wringing concern for the old folk she hoped would meet the grave promptly enough to ensure the correct voting outcome!
So ultimately, what struck me about this is the progressives will simply latch onto any group that are politically expedient to them at the time. It reminds me of something C.S Lewis said about progressivism, something to the effect that both the train and the station are constantly moving, therefore a destination cannot be reached. These people sure do have short memories.

423285 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Boris Bullshit, #346 of 1758 🔗

I am an oldie..yuk, and not a fetishist, but I wished I was, but not rubber and that stuff. I do not see this as binary as you say, this is a period of mass insanity the humanoids go into at times to stir it all up and see what settles, old young all have a part to play in gleaning the positives from the mad shit.

422090 richmond, replying to richmond, 46, #347 of 1758 🔗

I don’t understand people who say they will take the vaccine in order to be able to travel.

To me it doesn’t appear to be a one-off deal whereby you have the jab and then you are free to travel for the rest of your life. It looks more like a permanent arrangement whereby you can continue to travel only as long as you continue to let them keep giving you injections of whatever they like.

Fine if you trust the authorities. What if you don’t?

422097 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to richmond, 27, #348 of 1758 🔗

We have no reason to ever trust them again.

422544 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to this is my username, 7, #349 of 1758 🔗

I never trusted them to start with.

422099 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to richmond, 11, #350 of 1758 🔗

Those who have chosen to do this may reap what they have sown.

422113 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to richmond, 7, #351 of 1758 🔗

It’s not like most people are jumping on a flight to Majorca next week. What’s the rush?

422114 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to richmond, 9, #352 of 1758 🔗

Government ministers and their advisers have repeatedly stated that the vaccinated have to comply with all the coronavirus restrictions.

422172 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to richmond, 14, #353 of 1758 🔗

If you keep having the toxic rubbish regularly injected into you, if you are lucky enough to survive this beyond the next couple of years, chances are you may not be well enough to even get on any plane.

422091 alw, replying to alw, 13, #354 of 1758 🔗

Talking to a doctor friend yesterday about vaccines and why so few people have had second jab. Apparently there is no rollout plan for second vaccination and medics are having to throw away unused vaccines because nobody wants. In addition doctors are not getting paid until they have given the second job. Think this is part of the plan to keep us in permanent lockdown.

422223 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to alw, 5, #355 of 1758 🔗

Well – if the doctors are indeed not being paid until after 2nd vax – then that will hopefully backfire spectacularly on the Government – as surely lots won’t be going back for Vax 2. Whereas the Government obviously thought the doctors would do their best to “persuade” them back for no. 2 in order to get their payment.

422424 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to ElizaP, 3, #356 of 1758 🔗

hence all the calls being reported here. whodathunk

422093 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 12, #357 of 1758 🔗

I just have this image in my mind of the mass of humanity, on an eternal conveyor belt of testing and vaccinating followed with a synthetic meal, with a virtual reality headset clamped on permanently.

422117 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jinks, 4, #358 of 1758 🔗

Re-read ‘The Machine Stops’.

422176 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 1, #359 of 1758 🔗

Thank you. Another one for my list of “Recommended by Annie.”

422166 ▶▶ niko, replying to Jinks, 1, #360 of 1758 🔗

Thankfully, we won’t need that headset once we’re hooked up to Neuralink.

422183 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to niko, 1, #361 of 1758 🔗

But of course. The Hive Mind watches and waits.

422095 jb12, replying to jb12, 20, #362 of 1758 🔗

Good luck getting under 1000 positive tests a day when you are testing kids 16 million times a week. At least you’ll have Scotland for company as Stalin will never ease the lockdown here, irrespective of test results.

422112 ▶▶ chaos, replying to jb12, 5, #363 of 1758 🔗

Precisely the intention.

422218 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to chaos, 1, #364 of 1758 🔗

Yep…

422101 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #365 of 1758 🔗

Parents expected to test their kids twice a week? Good luck with that. At least someone will make a killing from the test kits.

422306 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #366 of 1758 🔗

As EVERYONE NOW KNOWS that all those tests are unreliable and absolutely useless the way we use them, that MUST BE the real reason for doing them.
Plus their continued ab-use as authoritarian, denigrating and torture instruments.

422102 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #367 of 1758 🔗

Why is everything that ends in ‘Foundation’ a fraud?

422105 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 10, #368 of 1758 🔗

Why is Johnson such a fraud? Even his surname isn’t real.

422184 ▶▶ niko, replying to Cecil B, 3, #369 of 1758 🔗

Because fraud is the foundation of anything having to do with money.

422108 straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 24, #370 of 1758 🔗

What has struck me more and more recently is the seemingly lack of pushback from many business sectors. The airline and travel industry, the hotel and hospitality sector, breweries, concert and event companies etc. You’d think they’d all be up in arms over the restrictions and lost business yet I’ve not heard much at all. Is something going on?

422125 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 10, #371 of 1758 🔗

Agree. It’s been a bleeding mystery.

I’m beginning to wonder if they’ve been bribed or promised significant concessions when this is all over. Otherwise its not in a business or sector’s interest to remain shut for nearly a year with nothing coming in.

422160 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #372 of 1758 🔗

Beginning to wonder?

There is a Reset agenda at work. You should have worked this out SIX MONTHS ago!

FFS They will make a FORTUNE from payoffs and whatever they merge into.

422195 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #373 of 1758 🔗

My workplace was not allowed to put us on fulough and has had to go cap in hand for loans to keep us afloat. Certainly there are certain companies that are being favoured and the rest can go to hell.

Why no-one has cottoned on to this is a bleeding mystery.

422334 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #374 of 1758 🔗

UK column had a report regarding this.Marc Carney made a speech saying that unless companies conform to the zero carbon agenda they will be allowed to go under.

422138 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 7, #375 of 1758 🔗

I’ve been amazed since the beginning that they all stepped back from losing their billions without a squeak

422139 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 6, #376 of 1758 🔗

It depends on whether any media outlet is prepared to give dissenting industry voices a platform to be heard.

Or, have they been promised something behind closed doors that we don’t know about?

422689 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Markus Skepticus, 2, #377 of 1758 🔗

The industry voices who have dared speak out have been accused of putting their business interests ahead of health.

It’s a very emotive accusation but economically illiterate & irresponsible.

422149 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 11, #378 of 1758 🔗

As soon as anyone speaks about loss of business, they’re treated as greedy granny killers.

422161 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #379 of 1758 🔗

This. Don’t underestimate the power of moral pressure. Plus the gov used tax payer money to pay them.

422152 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 5, #380 of 1758 🔗

Because the big boys are IN ON IT!

They will get MASSIVE pay-offs.

And there WILL be a travel industry but just for those elites who can really afford it.

WAKE UP!

As for small businesses, they deserve to go under.

422214 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #381 of 1758 🔗

We are so going to need small businesses – more than ever imo. Reason being all those people that are likely to be sacked (a few already have been!!!) for refusing the vax. There’s likely to be quite a few people that hadn’t planned on doing anything on a self-employed basis that will be wondering what business they can set up to earn some income for themselves. Well – it’s either that or “back to the land in the woods” or unemployed steadily (all of which are states that could maybe go on for a year or two or three – until this “game” is over and we get back to Normal, because even a lot of the sheeple have finally woken up). At the moment there’s lots of sheeple proudly boasting “I’ve lost one/two/three people to Covid” when there’s every chance it wasn’t Covid at all that killed them and they maybe didn’t even have it in the first place. Wait till the sheeple find that sentence gets replaced by “I’ve had one/two/three friends and relatives get injured or killed and They are telling us it was coincidence that it happened just after they had The Vax”.

422154 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #382 of 1758 🔗

It’s all about moving assets around, THAT is all.

422155 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 7, #383 of 1758 🔗

During redundancy consultations last year, employer presented hotel forecasts that showed a return to usual occupancy levels by 2024.
I thought that was nonsense at the time…..

422164 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Templeton, 6, #384 of 1758 🔗

When the reset happens, it will take place over a few days. They will simply shift to a digital currency and social credit system.

422165 ▶▶ Janette, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 4, #385 of 1758 🔗

Yes I have wondered the exact same thing

422221 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 4, #386 of 1758 🔗

From the very little that I know…..the pilots union (BALPA) have just written an open letter to the PM which they are asking all pilots to sign. They say they have been trying to get something out the government for support from day one, but there has been no response.
I also saw a list of airlines somewhere that have received a subsidy from governments. I can’t remember all but do remember EasyJet getting (I think) circa £80m and TUI being bailed out (for the second time) by the German government because don’t forget TUI are German. As for the rest I have no idea, especially the likes of Jet2 who before all this owned all their planes, equipment etc and a logistics company (lorries). I heard they’d sold the logistics company to help the airline but that was at least middle of last year, no idea how they are still going….or Virgin for that matter.
Employees have never mattered to the airlines, those that work for them (or worked) know that very clearly. All that matters is profit, bonuses and the shareholders.

422299 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Redundant Pilot, #387 of 1758 🔗

Lufthansa tops its captains 5k/month furlough payments up to 15k/month with the state aid they received to keep afloat.

422340 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #388 of 1758 🔗

Bit off topic but I looked on flightradar last night and there were so few flights over UK – you could probably count on one hand. Seemed to be mainly cargo planes UPS, Fedex and a couple of commercial. With UK being one of the busiest flight paths it was sad to see, and hate seeing the destruction of the travel industry along with others.

422873 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #389 of 1758 🔗

I notice quite a few flying over London but no doubt in the past there were more – after all there are five significant airports in the neighbourhood of London.

422295 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 6, #390 of 1758 🔗

Yep.
They seem to be more interested in negotiating for a larger share of the handouts&subsidies pie instead of trying to earn their living in the markets and with other private businesses and customers.
They are active main participants in all the woke and discriminatory agendas too, first out of fear of being shamed and its cost, now because they are state dependent believers.
But the numbers confirm and explain that: practically evsry business and every wage is direetly or indirectly dependant upon government spending now, and will continue to be until the state is bankrupt.
An economy that contracted by 10% with gov/debt GDP increasing 20% age points and previous equal gov/private sector shares has really contracted 30%, and its private sector has really contracted 60!% then, meaning the gov/private sector shares are now are no longer an already far too high equal, but 80/20!
We are basically living in socialism already, we/businesses just prefer to fool ourselves about it.

422320 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JayBee, 5, #391 of 1758 🔗

Douglas Murray made that point a few years’ ago when the issue of “Corporate social responsibility” was brought up. While its right and proper that companies should treat their employees fairly and responsibly as is their customers they don’t need to make a big song and dance about being anti-racism or pro-LGBT, etc. I go to a bank or supermarket to use their services, I don’t need to know that they’re figting racism or the like.

422319 ▶▶ Mark, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 6, #392 of 1758 🔗

Businesses are run by people, and the people running the businesses were blindsided much as we were by the sheer pace and force of the panic in early 2020. There was little resistance to the fear propaganda and no time to organise. Those like Dolan who reacted strongly and quickly were few and far between.

It takes time to recover and to organise intellectual and political resistance that can motivate and empower actual resistance on the ground by people running businesses, who have a lot to lose by doing so if it means defiance of law and popular panic.

Obviously here I’m not talking about the businesses that benefit from the panic – mostly the big multinational corporations in sectors that gain from having their competition shut down or from the effects of lockdown.

422348 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #393 of 1758 🔗

I suspect that in many cases it is because only the official industry “voices” will be listened to, and they are dominated by the biggest players in their respective sectors. They weren’t going to rock the boat because they thought they had the resources to weather this (as well has having been given Mr Sushi’s Magic Money) whilst their smaller competitors withered and died. They were banking on a win/win, but the longer this goes on the more difficult it will be for them to maintain that position. Expect howls of pain to increase in intensity.

422122 chaos, replying to chaos, 6, #394 of 1758 🔗

According to YouGov 190 million comrades people in the UK think we should test kids twice per week. Perhaps also shoot or eat them.

422127 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to chaos, 2, #395 of 1758 🔗

Progress, that’s down 10% from the last poll

422130 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Cecil B, 2, #396 of 1758 🔗

Indeed comrade Cecil. In the last poll only 100 million agreed. A 10% reduction.

422129 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to chaos, 2, #397 of 1758 🔗

YouGov get the results they want, as do all polls

422137 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to DanClarke, 1, #398 of 1758 🔗

The now tory minister of vaccines created YouGov.

422199 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to DanClarke, 2, #399 of 1758 🔗

I got through the latest one yesterday and, going through it, a lot of the questions seemed to be centred round whether I believed in karma – which I personally do – but this is Britain (ie a nominally Christian country). So I was rather surprised for them to be asking it. I’m guessing the way the questions were (obviously deliberately) slanted was they were trying hard to draw a conclusion that meant Covidians could go “Oh they are paying for their sins of omission (ie not having the vax etc) – it’s karma – they deserve it”. No – when I say I believe in karma – I really believe in karma and I wouldnt want to be Ferguson, Whitty or Johnson in their next life or three LOL.

422222 ▶▶ alw, replying to chaos, 2, #400 of 1758 🔗

YouGov is Nadhim Zahawi and family. Say no more.

422123 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 8, #401 of 1758 🔗

Farewell to the Lamb and Flag……spent many hours there in my college days…..which probably explains my Third!

Shame Neil Ferguson (same college, same subject, year above me) didnt fritter away equally as much time as if hed got a Third as well and was refused funding for his DPhil then the world would be an entirely different place wouldnt it?

422144 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 22, #402 of 1758 🔗

Good! After this is over, and there are trials, I propose that ALL Oxford and Cambridge colleges are knocked down to a pile of rubble.

I am SICK of their bastard, anti-white, anti-male, anti-father and anti-mother agenda. And especially their CUNT role in this crime against humanity. FUCK THEM!

TEAR THEM DOWN!

I don’t care about the loss of heritage.

WE MUST SALT THE LAND WHERE THE RUBBLE LIES.

422159 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FedupofLies, 17, #403 of 1758 🔗

Add Imperial and UCL to the list – they caused this shit show in the first place.

They should be defunded and closed down.

422192 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #404 of 1758 🔗

Absolutely!

422191 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #405 of 1758 🔗

I love it… you really sound as angry as me this morning! We HAVE to go to war on this testing bullshit. They knew their dodgy vaccines weren’t going to work. That gives them the leverage to instigate these tests. “Just a simple test to prove you’re negative…” (in small print: if you are positive you will be incarcerated at a facility for 14 days and longer if we take another positive test, and forever if you keep testing positive, you filthy, diseased biological human being…)

423309 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #406 of 1758 🔗

I am furious but I keep my anger in a compartment. I try to enjoy things like listening to music etc

422229 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #407 of 1758 🔗

It’s not the stones but what they contain even if things are a bit weird at the moment. 96 Nobel prizes from Cambridge by 2016, more than any country apart from USA and Germany (plus UK obviously). One college, Trinity has more than any country apart from that list plus France. That’s worth something. Join the Freee Speech Union and argue against and laugh at the nonsense.

423742 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to FedupofLies, #408 of 1758 🔗

Private College in our town has a frigging BLM sign prominently attached to a wall facing a main thoroughfare 🤬 .

422325 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #409 of 1758 🔗

That’s very sad. I hope the Eagle and the Child survives (Mr Bart and mine’s favourite haunt in Oxford)

422128 Annie, replying to Annie, 17, #410 of 1758 🔗

Hamlet thought the devil had power to assume a pleasing shape.
Given that he now takes the form of Bozo,Wankok, Shitty and Pantsdown, that particular power must be waning.

422206 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 4, #411 of 1758 🔗

I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw.

422728 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, #412 of 1758 🔗

To be honest, as this world goes, is to be one man picked out of ten thousand.

422792 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TJN, 1, #413 of 1758 🔗

A dog’s obeyed in office. ( King Lear )

422132 Annie, replying to Annie, 4, #414 of 1758 🔗

kh, you have simply gone TOO FAR! Sackcloth and ashes ( and 100+ stars).

422201 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 2, #415 of 1758 🔗

I like a Northern Soul style dance – I’d be game for it if I were in your neck of the woods. Gimme dance…it’s one of the things I miss…

422205 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Annie, #416 of 1758 🔗

“the Snake (Oil)?”

422230 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Annie, 2, #417 of 1758 🔗

KH this one’s for you you’re a 🌟
“Do I love you..(indeed I do)””

422133 l835, replying to l835, 9, #418 of 1758 🔗

Summer holiday booked. 2 weeks in Italy, and no vaccine passport needed. £261 each way by FedEx signed for!

422141 ▶▶ chaos, replying to l835, 1, #419 of 1758 🔗
422140 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 9, #420 of 1758 🔗

Thinking about Johnsons (utterly ludicrous) target of 1000 cases a day again the numbers are being looked at wrong.

Surely you have to remove all the cases that caught in hospital (40% according to the above) as clearly those are caused by NHS incompetence and are not affected by lockdown.

Similarly the cases caught in care homes (I seem to remember thats 20% of cases though I may be wrong).

Also remove the percentage of false positives.

Are we close to 1000 yet? We cant be too far away……

422251 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 7, #421 of 1758 🔗

One of the many fundamental questions that cannot be answered is what is the accurate picture of symptomatic Covid in the community.

As a Rebel, my gut tells me it is low and always has been. It’s a disgrace that we cannot pinpoint this vital piece on information.

422651 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #422 of 1758 🔗

I totally agree.
In North Germany (that’s where I am from and I look at their newsstation) they recently had outbreaks at:
Meatprocessing plant 210
Ice cream factory 170
Care home 30
care home 20
etc

422142 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #423 of 1758 🔗

If covid is so contagious why can’t people just breathe on their test prod instead of having to poke around?

422146 ▶▶ chaos, replying to DanClarke, 7, #424 of 1758 🔗

You don’t even have to do that. Some people have tested fruit, shoes, the family dog, and even not swabbed anything at all and still tested positive.

422156 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to chaos, 2, #425 of 1758 🔗

you can fool some of the people all of the time!

422211 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to DanClarke, 4, #426 of 1758 🔗

I’ve been asking this since day 1 yet none of the Covidians can give an answer

422147 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 13, #427 of 1758 🔗

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00425-6/fulltext

Lancet helps debunk the myth that PCR test is the so called Gold Standard. Good news.

422148 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to theanalyst, #428 of 1758 🔗

It’s RIDICULOUS. There is nothing GOOD about it!

What is GOOD about finally not participating in one of the greatest FRAUDS of history?!

422151 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #429 of 1758 🔗

Well, we are where we are, but at least some of the excuses are being debunked (not that anyone in power will listen, of course!).

422174 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to iane, 7, #430 of 1758 🔗

Testing MUST BE STOPPED!

422150 niko, 17, #431 of 1758 🔗

“Somehow the Government has allowed itself to drift into de facto membership of the Zero Covid cult. It needs to snap out of it and remember the plan. The one where we discover a vaccine then go back to normal. Actual normal. Not new abnormal.”

The Government is not allowing anything or drifting along. It’s actively implementing an oligarchic coup on behalf of the Great Reset cult, and zero covid is the latest lie to march the masses along into the techno-totalitarian biosecurity state, ‘vaccines’ (or rather internally colonizing means of population control) and more. There’s no going back to the old abnormal for this agenda, only the Brave New Normal World Order. Rise up, or be led to the slaughter.

422153 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 44, #432 of 1758 🔗

Had the first of my work training yesterday and during the session about “working around Covid” the issue of social distancing reared its ugly head again.

I questioned the wisdom of being shut for 2 days when being open for 7 days like we’ve always have would at least give people the option of choosing from which of the 7 days to visit rather than only 5. I’ve long held the belief that people panic when they see the days that are shut and try to squeeze into the other days we’re open.

I also reminded everyone in the training session that with more people losing their jobs or filing for bankruptcy we will not exactly be swamped by visitors when we reopen as we will be classed as “luxury” by people struggling to make ends meet.

Many of my colleagues were in favour of limiting ther numbers even more but the manager took my side and said that since we’re in a deep financial hole, we will need all the visitors we can get. I was told that our opening days is constantly subject to review.

This just goes to show how economically illiterate many people are. Perhaps instead of some of the useless padding we will have next week, they should have a session devoted to “How We Make Money and How It Doesn’t Grow on Trees.”

Jesus wept.

Why are people so economically illiterate?

422167 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #433 of 1758 🔗

Perhaps they’re socialists?

422186 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to this is my username, -2, #434 of 1758 🔗

I’m a grown up, go somewhere else with BS like that!

422231 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to norwegian, 2, #435 of 1758 🔗

If you think socialism works, you haven’t studied history and you don’t understand human nature.

422549 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to this is my username, 1, #436 of 1758 🔗

Quite. Socialist societies did a much better job of killing their own people than capitalist ones ever did of killing foreigners. Despite their best efforts.

422602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to leggy, #437 of 1758 🔗

Well said.

422198 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to this is my username, 6, #438 of 1758 🔗

Yep. Or their parents have never taught them where money comes from.

422247 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #439 of 1758 🔗

Go on then, where does it come from?

422258 ▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #440 of 1758 🔗

The trees in the back garden of No11 Downing Street of course

422328 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #441 of 1758 🔗

Sunak has an estate of Magic Money Trees.

422331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #442 of 1758 🔗

It is not the Magic Money Tree.

423326 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to this is my username, 3, #443 of 1758 🔗

Honestly, why don’t people like you grow up. So you’ve got something against people who are socialists. Bully for you but can’t you find a site with other narrow minded people to chirp with? This site is for lockdown sceptics,not anti-socialists, although we allow one as he, she or it sometimes says something useful.

422169 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #444 of 1758 🔗

It’s the communist manifesto isn’t it? That was one of the propaganda slogans going around at the start of this. The accusation that people cared “more about the economy than people”. “Oh, you care about the economy do you? Well, personally I’d rather be poor than LET PEOPLE DIE!” It’s to change the mindset of those living in a capitalist democracy… to make them attack that so they accept a centralised economy designed to “protect all” (but also control all, stripping everyone of their fundamental human rights, their bodily autonomy, their freedom of expression… all GONE.) They are not economically illiterate, they’ve been slowly brainwashed.

422212 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #445 of 1758 🔗

That’s a good point and of course the brainwashing is aided by trite slogans like “People before Profit” – simple and appeals to the emotion. Then people end up parroting it and not bothering to question it.

422225 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #446 of 1758 🔗

Offer those that favour lower numbers a salary that reflects the lower numbers, which will of course soon become no salary. See if that changes their minds

As we still see, many people are feeling no pain or consequences for this nonsense. Until they do they will remain in cloud cuckoo land

422330 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lindy, 4, #447 of 1758 🔗

That’s a good idea. Funny how we’ve just come though a redundancy process and that still hasn’t woken up my colleagues.

422157 Janette, replying to Janette, 30, #448 of 1758 🔗

So I see they are now saying headaches, sore throat, diarrhoea are symptoms of Covid. This is just so transparent. They want anyone who has these symptoms to get tested. They are really scraping the barrel now. It’s absolutely shocking!

422175 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Janette, 7, #449 of 1758 🔗

Are hunger and thirst symptoms as well?

422181 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to norwegian, 7, #450 of 1758 🔗

Am guessing depression must be a symptom too – apparently. After all – all of us that are against Lockdown are probably depressed.

422580 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to ElizaP, 2, #451 of 1758 🔗

… and those in favour of lockdown have induced psychosis.

422200 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to norwegian, 1, #452 of 1758 🔗

Malnutrition was a key indicator for diagnosing AIDS.

422796 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jinks, #453 of 1758 🔗

Rapid weight loss, leading to the illness being nicknamed “Slim” in Africa.

422203 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to norwegian, 3, #454 of 1758 🔗

Breathing?

422207 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to norwegian, 1, #455 of 1758 🔗

They probably will be along with all symptoms of every disease ever known to man or am I being too cynical!

422215 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Janette, 5, #456 of 1758 🔗

They’re pretty much saying that simply being alive is hazardous to health.

I’m waiting for someone to be honest and say that mass seppuku is the only way to stop the spread of the virus and achieve zero Covid.

Then they can go ahead to set an example.

422264 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Janette, 9, #457 of 1758 🔗

Some have already stated this:
Covid 19 is NOT a disease.
It is a merely a collection of as many symptoms as they can get away with indicating ‘IT’.

422645 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Janette, 2, #458 of 1758 🔗

And breathing?

422162 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #459 of 1758 🔗

This could be the only real safe vaccine administered as a nasal spray. Logical local protection and stimulating also IgA immunity.Only on hamsters yet but promising.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.15.430863v1?rss=1%22



Live attenuated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine candidate: Protective immunity without serious lung lesions in Syrian hamsters

“One of the strains, A50-18, which presented mutations in nonstructural protein 14, did not replicate at all at 37˚C in vitro. In vivo experiments demonstrated that this strain replicated inefficiently in the lungs of Syrian hamsters, and intra-nasal inoculation induced sufficient anti-SARS-CoV-2-neutralizing antibodies to protect against wild type virus infection. These results suggest that the A50-18 strain could be a promising live attenuated vaccine candidate against SARS-CoV-2.”

422197 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 5, #460 of 1758 🔗

Was the hamster masked?

422244 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 5, #461 of 1758 🔗

Good information, certainly one reason I give for not getting jabbed now is that I live in a low covid area and there are other possibly better options coming along. Also I need to know which vaccinations will be acceptable for international travel, these new vaccine possibilities may eventually have more universal acceptance and recognition.

422285 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to swedenborg, 12, #462 of 1758 🔗

Stop talking like Covid is still a threat in Britain, it’s over, the virus passed through, and is over. Get it! The only people dying because of this shit now, are those who got jabbed, and those refused treatment in our beloved NHS.

422374 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrew K, 12, #463 of 1758 🔗

I don’t believe now it was ever a threat: the whole thing, from the people dying on the streets in Wuhan, the live bats in the wet market, the whistleblower doctor who died, the wuhan lockdown, the northern Italy lockdown, the Diamond Princess, the chartered flights to rescue western citizens from China, the ‘escaped from the lab’ conspiracy theory…everything…from start to finish, lock stock and barrel, it was all a psyop, 100% fiction, and the sick and the dead are nothing other than the usual sick and dead that have been with us from time immemorial from usual seasonal respiratory viruses. I wish it were about just a pandemic, that would be far less terrifying than it being about an evil totalitarian technocratic coup, a genocide, a satanic death cult

423426 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Andrew K, 3, #464 of 1758 🔗

I only present a new article which might be of interest. There are more safer vaccine possible and nasal spray vaccine is very attractive form of immunisation.This could be of interest for people in high rik groups anxious about the the new expereimental vaccines with only EAU. My link above is only a fact based link and has nothing to do with the exagerrated threat level. By definition an endemic virus does not disappear.

423549 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #465 of 1758 🔗

Thanks for the link. It looks like they’re a bit late to the party with this though, possibly because this traditional style of vaccine does take longer to make because you basically have to wait for the virus to evolve into the vaccine.

It would have been a fallback if the other vaccines hadn’t worked. But the vaccine race is very much first past the post. The UK for example has already bought more than enough AZ to jab everyone several times over. Even Novavax (who have an effective and cheap vaccine) but were third across the line are having a bit of a wobble in their stock price.

There are/were something like 200 Covid vaccine projects on the go, most of which will probably never be produced.

Not sure if this one would have necessarily been safer but a nasal spray seems to have a few advantages. The risk with live vaccines is they evolve back into viruses… I think some Polio outbreaks in Africa are caused by this effect.

422168 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #466 of 1758 🔗

Shoving a chopstick up a 12 year old’s nose twice a week.
Best of luck with that!
PS: I’m sure everybody can remember one kid in every class, in every school in the land who managed to get a crayon stuck up his/her’s nose.
Just detached thoughts.

422177 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #467 of 1758 🔗

Which still leaves them having to have one of those awful tests once a term – as, obviously, the others will be done by testing a glass of water or the like.

422187 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 11, #468 of 1758 🔗

Just a thought but…. if you’ve got kids in school like me, couldn’t we all just have a bottle of mineral water in the fridge and dip the test swab/probe/thing in that every day and post that back to the wankers?

I know there’s a high risk of it still being positive lol but it’s one way of not playing along rather than removing your kids from school altogether.

422233 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to NonCompliant, 6, #469 of 1758 🔗

I suspect that will happen quite a lot, also people will use mouth wash and nasal sprays to ensure a negative result. Altogether the idea of parents self testing children seems likely to break down into farce quite quickly.

422827 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #470 of 1758 🔗

They have been doing a lot of LFT at my daughter’s boarding school. They do a throat swab only luckily. She gargles with Listerine in the car before we do the test. Ha!

422296 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NonCompliant, 4, #471 of 1758 🔗

How about you package it up and send it back to Boris.

422311 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #472 of 1758 🔗

Return to sender. It will be very depressing for them to see the mountain of returned mail.

422309 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #473 of 1758 🔗

The kids will be asked to bring in a pot of spit. Presumably, this is used for the lateral slow tests. It’s not compulsory to bring in a pot for testing.

422193 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 16, #474 of 1758 🔗

Posted this late last night from the UK Government’s response to the “ After the vaccine roll-out to high risk groups, remove ALL covid-19 restrictions ” petition (with my emphasis):

In addition, there is currently limited evidence to support the use of COVID-19 vaccines to interrupt transmission during outbreaks. While Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines provide protection to a vaccinated person from serious disease, we do not yet know if they prevent them from passing on the virus to others . The full impact on transmission will not become clear until a large number of people have been vaccinated, but as larger numbers do get vaccinated, we will hopefully move further along the path back to a more normal way of life. We will continue to closely monitor the impact of vaccinations on individuals, on NHS pressures and on the spread of the virus.

Speaks for itself.

422204 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Richard O, 6, #475 of 1758 🔗

Translation: We need to run this experiment on everybody, before we know it works.

422217 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #476 of 1758 🔗

It’s a straight admission in black and white that this is a trial. The other key takeaway for me is that this can be used as a cast iron rebuttal of anyone who uses the “ get vaccinated to protect others ” argument. This is a matter for each individual to decide, plain and simple.

422291 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #477 of 1758 🔗

Exactly. Language is important. How dumb can people be not to see this.

422243 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Richard O, 17, #478 of 1758 🔗

If nobody gets seriously ill from the disease (because vaccine) why do we care if they pass it on to others.

If you’re scared of the virus, go get vaccinated and then stay out of the way until the potion takes effect. Then you’re not in the way of the rest of us going about our lawful business.

422266 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Richard O, 2, #479 of 1758 🔗

We need to keep the door open for more and varied therapies and possible lockdowns

422194 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 50, #480 of 1758 🔗

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422239 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bella Donna, 34, #481 of 1758 🔗

‘Get “vaccinated” with a product that does not confer immunity, has potentially serious side effects including death, and continue to have to follow all the coronavirus rules,’ says the government. Millions rush to be injected.

423506 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, #482 of 1758 🔗

Hopeless cases the lot of them. Perhaps the great depopulator Bill Gates was right after all.

422202 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #483 of 1758 🔗

He used to put up a lot of stuff that can get you instantly banned on the internet because algorithms don’t distinguish between supposed intent. So putting up loads of 3R imagery with related slogans was putting this site in jeopardy. Maybe the site administrator told JH to desist because he/she is no longer putting up the imagery and slogans. So “solid”? No.”

OKOK what is this garbage exactly???

Never once have I put up whatever it is you are referring to???

I made a statement about circumstances where I would potentially accept a vaccine and now I have this paranoia thrown at me???

422245 ▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #484 of 1758 🔗

I wouldn’t worry about that sort of person. I agree with you, if it is a choice between earning money and not, I have to choose earning money as I have a young family. This is why I am so angry about this whole vaccine charade – I am being forced into a course of action I know is wrong. I think the best thing to do is to hold fire as long as possible and hope that a vaccine comes along that isn’t mRNA based, even if it means buying it yourself and getting it delivered privately. The worst thing for me about all of that though, past the removal of my choice, is that the vaccine is the thin end of the wedge and will lead, ultimately, to some version of a social credit system.

422277 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jb12, 3, #485 of 1758 🔗

That’s my plan. I will be putting up a case to my employer and holding out to the very last minute. However, I can see me having to relent and take the vaccine if the choice is binary between working to live or not working.

422288 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #486 of 1758 🔗

No case required, yet. Step one is tto not discuss it as its personal. They’ll have to pursue legal advice.

422435 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jb12, 7, #487 of 1758 🔗

You say you need to earn money for your young family – understandable. What will you say when they come to vaxx your children so they can get an education/play out whatever. It very much is the thin end of the wedge . All dissenters need to stand firm in refusing the agenda – and I mean grannies like me and folks without kids too, we all need to support each other in this NOW or it will be too late. Holidays abroad, concerts etc are not worth it. Sorry but that is the plain choice.

422648 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Barbara Baker, 1, #488 of 1758 🔗

Will you come and feed my child, Barbara? If employers everywhere require vaccines and I don’t have one, I will need you to. It is all well and good talking about ‘standing firm’ when you don’t have any dependents.

422209 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #489 of 1758 🔗

In this absurd world “failed states” seem to have more common sense

https://www.sarajevotimes.com/constitutional-court-of-bih-decides-masks-and-movement-restriction-are-human-rights-violation/

https://twitter.com/tomdabassman/status/1362109690143002629https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.15.430863v1?rss=1%22

 ‘Constitutional Court of BiH decides Masks and Movement Restriction are Human Rights Violation’ (December 23, 2020 4:30 PM by Y.Z)

422216 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to swedenborg, 1, #490 of 1758 🔗

looks like your twitter link has been removed.

422210 tazzy, 4, #491 of 1758 🔗

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/

How Deadly is Covid 19?

422219 Cecil B, 33, #492 of 1758 🔗

Things appear to be returning to normal in Nigeria

I have had fourteen unsolicited phone calls in the past 24 hours

Eight calls were from Amazon telling me that my account had either been suspended or reinstated. I don’t remember purchasing a warrior like woman and I definatly would not have paid by installments

Four were from PayPal saying very much the same. As I pay for everything with hazelnuts gathered from the hedgerows I don’t have a PayPal account

Two calls offered me a tax rebate. Since leaving prison I have been living under an assumed name in a sheep pen on the Brecon Beacons. How did they find me?

Think I might take them up on the tax one. Nothing to lose

422228 Nessimmersion, 8, #493 of 1758 🔗

A new variant of Branch Covidians has been spotted by A K Haart:
The Covid Witnesses-

The Covid Witness movement appears to be growing with little groups of Coves as they are called knocking on doors with their leaflets in a search for new converts. The main plank of their movement is what Covid Witnesses call their PCR Test or simply the Test. There are three mantras within the Test.

Praise the sacred calling of Epidemiology
Cover the face in the presence of Covid
Report your neighbours

The Third Mantra of the Covid Witnesses probably requires some elaboration. Covid Witnesses are not suggesting that believers should necessarily spy on their neighbours full time. What they do suggest is that they should report neighbours who seem to be the type of people who would violate the first two Mantras of the PCR. Covid Witnesses call it their version of the precautionary principle.

All very interesting and a sign of the times perhaps. However it remains to be seen if this new movement flourishes in the longer term. Does it offer enough spiritual sustenance? This is the real test of any such movement.

It is not known if Boris Johnson is a convert or not, but even if he is a devout Covid Witness, his epiphany may turn out to be temporary. With Boris they usually are.

422236 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #494 of 1758 🔗
422279 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #495 of 1758 🔗

Reads like largest GDP countries are first in line for the great reset

422283 ▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, 3, #496 of 1758 🔗

The problem with this point in relation to the costs of the covid panic response is that most people more or less automatically tune it out, instantly.

Firstly, it’s money and of course “you can’t balance money against lives”! Second it’s debt, and “everyone knows” debt is irrelevant – just a matter of shaking a branch on the magic money tree.

It’s especially absurd in the UK, where this approach has been adopted and proselytised by a supposedly “Conservative” regime. One of the core aspects of conservatism has always been a preference for avoiding debt, especially state debt, or at any rate giving lip-service to doing so by requiring at least some attempt to be made to justify it as necessary investment and give an idea about how it is to be repaid.

The obvious answer is, of course, that the “Conservative” Party is no longer meaningfully conservative -something pointed out by some people for many years here. In Peter Hitchens’ case. he has written books about it a decade and more ago.

422303 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #497 of 1758 🔗

it’s debt, and “everyone knows” debt is irrelevant

I have never met anyone who thinks debt is “irrelevant” – and I cannot imagine anyone would: debt has to be repaid.

422336 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #498 of 1758 🔗

To whom does a country owe its debt to though? And what position in the relationship with the creditor is implied by the debt?

422351 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jb12, 1, #499 of 1758 🔗

In our case it’s not real debt;it’s new money conjured by a press of a button.

422377 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jb12, 1, #500 of 1758 🔗

Bond holders in theory. Then, when times are good, the government will theoretically buy them back to retain a balance of GDP to debt ratio.

422363 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #501 of 1758 🔗

Clearly Johnson effectively thinks debt (or fiat money conjured up in excess of income) is irrelevant, as do the entire cabinet (apart from those who realise the truth but choose to keep quiet). They have been incurring it at unprecedented rates without having even bothered to check if doing so made any sense.

Presumably the expectation is that debts will at some point be “forgiven”, or wiped out by government fiat or subsidy.

422527 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, #502 of 1758 🔗

Or possibly by the introduction of a new, probably digital, currency, to run alongside (a reduced) money-supply.

422597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #503 of 1758 🔗

That, of course, would be one way out of it, that some advocate. (Not that I’m saying it would itself be cost-free or even a good idea at all, far from it.)

422539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #504 of 1758 🔗

It appears that you “know” that debt is “irrelevant” but it isn’t: it is wealth borrowed from the future. It cannot be forgiven or wiped out.

422593 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #505 of 1758 🔗

I think you misinterpreted my original comment.

The suggestion that “ “everyone knows” debt is irrelevant ” was intended as ironic criticism of the literally stupid but widespread opinion to that effect.

422238 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 3, #506 of 1758 🔗

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/564347
Just look at our great and glorious leaders’ reply to the above petition. What did we do to deserve this?

422256 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Banjones, 14, #507 of 1758 🔗

Bloody ‘road map’, why can’t they just talk normally

422262 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to DanClarke, 4, #508 of 1758 🔗

They use figurative language to mislead and deceive.

422327 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to DanClarke, 9, #509 of 1758 🔗

It is complete bollocks. The latest buzz phrase we will look at the data not the date. Well in that case Bunter, why wait until Monday to announce your plans. Get out today and announce the schools are to be fully open Monday.

Why take another 2 weeks off our children? There is certainly no data to justify this.

422257 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Banjones, 12, #510 of 1758 🔗

It is essential that everyone continues to stay at home if possible, whether they have had the vaccine or not. This means it is important to continue to follow social distancing guidance

This implies that the government know that the so called vaccines do not work. If they worked, the vaccinated could safely mix with anyone, including people who were clearly infected and obviously infectious. A vaccine confers immunity.

422248 Cecil B, 20, #511 of 1758 🔗

People are moving out of London and buying houses in the provinces

People in the provinces are selling up and moving to Tanzania

422250 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #512 of 1758 🔗

“SAGE scientists have been “crying out” for politicians to determine the acceptable level of Covid risk so it is clear when the crisis is deemed over”.

I dare say there will be quite a few politicians who are arguing the opposite. Why not reach out – or better still just get in touch!

422301 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to crimsonpirate, 16, #513 of 1758 🔗

Buck passing. Can’t wait to see the politicians throw SAGE under the bus, and then SAGE throw the politicians under the bus. No-one can accept blame for this shitshow.

422305 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 4, #514 of 1758 🔗

Blame it on the 84 year olds, after all we would not be in this mess if they hadn’t caught it and died

422260 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #516 of 1758 🔗

Hospital Acquired Infections:
Singapore got its Nosocomial infection rate down to statistical zero in March last year by treating Covid as a contact transferred infection- the same as Norovirus or Polio – primary transfer vector is oro-foecal, which is why the Chinese do anal swabs and Covid is detected in sewage plant sampling.

However to do the same here would mean abandoning all the superstition associated with aerosol transfer and treating it as seriously as Singapores hospitals i.e. all the socialist distancing, muzzle wearing etc is a complete distraction from the actual transfer method, which is only controlled by rabid attention to hand hygeine.

There is a good article about it here.
Worth reading in full:

https://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=239747&page=1

422274 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #517 of 1758 🔗

His Covid articles are excellent. He has been excellent for years on markets and politics though

422307 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #518 of 1758 🔗

I always thought the primary vector of transmission in hospitality is not pubs but coffee shops as their toilets are a single cubicle opened by a handle.

422346 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to crimsonpirate, 11, #519 of 1758 🔗

I wouldn’t worry.Pubs are the target because they are a centre for social interaction.

422388 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #520 of 1758 🔗

Anything that supports our traditions and social gatherings/events is being strangulated. Our identity is fast being erased. People can choose to believe it or not, but this is one of the goals set out by the DAVOS elite.

422823 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #521 of 1758 🔗

especially the micro pubs in Kent

422399 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #522 of 1758 🔗

Thanks. I’ve been thinking for some time that this fixation on PPE as a solution is a red herring, and is distracting from other infection control protocols.

Current HAIs and care home infections remain high vs last spring when there a lack of PPE.

422267 Ross Hendry, 10, #523 of 1758 🔗

Recording of yesterday’s livestream from the Berlin Coronavirus Committee. Four hours with interesting speakers, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr. :

https://youtu.be/u-9mIzS-Gq0?t=102

422275 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 22, #524 of 1758 🔗

The email from our secondary school says participation in the mass testing is not compulsory.

422427 ▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to muzzle, 6, #525 of 1758 🔗

It’s not mandatory in the college I work in.

422278 davesmart, 8, #526 of 1758 🔗

And isn’t the risk of false positives increased if the tests are being administered by people with no training or medical qualifications?”

No
As someone who developed lateral flow tests for STIs, including pregnancy(!), I can tell you that the ability of someone to discern a particular result is highly dependent on whether or not they want a particular result. A person who’s been trying for a baby for years will read a very faint result on a pregnancy test differently to a 15 year old after her first intercourse. It’s why electronic readers were developed for pregnancy tests
Since most parents will want their child to attend school it’s likely they will under read, not over read tests potentially resulting in false negatives. And that’s if they get the sampling and test operation correct.

Point about the sampling.
Many years ago, home use Group A streptococcus tests were launched but then withdrawn after pressure from the FDA and Health Canada because of concerns over triggering of potentially fatal epiglottic spasm by heavy handed and incorrect use of a throat swab. The government is asking millions of untrained users to take throat swabs and maybe nasopharyngeal swabs from children. Really not a good idea.

Final point
Most tests don’t have sample controls e.g. you could dip the swab in water and run it and the test would likely give a “valid” i.e. control line appears “negative” result

Forcing parents to test their children twice a week is a really bad idea on many levels

422284 J4mes, 9, #527 of 1758 🔗

Easing out of lockdown back into lockdown before the pubs have had a chance to open. Who would have thought it?

422290 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #528 of 1758 🔗

If they can con poor people to part with money to watch smug opinionated millionaires play football then they can get way with anything

422365 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 2, #529 of 1758 🔗

WELL SAID!

422292 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 12, #530 of 1758 🔗

Please everyone copy on video on your phone the bit from Reiner’s whistleblower yesterday showing dementia patients being held down and forcibly jabbed. 31 residents,8 died, 11 more seriously ill. The more people you show, the more we will win. Yesterday some said it was in German so didn’t bother but the restraining does not need words. It’s disgusting but, if it gets round, the jabbers are finished!

422300 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bungle, 7, #531 of 1758 🔗

link?

422355 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Cecil B, 3, #532 of 1758 🔗

https://twitter.com/HowardSteen4/status/1361793149673345030

The video actually has pretty good English subtitles.

422297 Crystal Decanter, 7, #533 of 1758 🔗

Acceleration is the key now
Lets get to maximum clown world and fish the turd out of the punchbowl for all to see

422310 Ewan Duffy, 4, #534 of 1758 🔗

I see gatesnotes.com advertising on YT. I watched the ad to ensure the f***** had to pay for the ad but gave it the thumbs down. He is shilling mRNA treatments.

422322 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nymeria, 4, #536 of 1758 🔗

Very good.

422313 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #537 of 1758 🔗

The cover of the Spectator reads ‘Power jab’

Dear Spectator, Fuck off and die

422321 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cecil B, 11, #538 of 1758 🔗

It’s gone right down the toilet. It’s only a handful of writers keep me reading anything there. Lionel Shriver has been excellent though.

422477 ▶▶ Phillips13, replying to Cecil B, 3, #539 of 1758 🔗

They’ve been trying to appeal to a younger, female audience, and their editorial line is increasingly wet. Well, at least they’re at record subs numbers – selling out works.

422514 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Phillips13, 1, #540 of 1758 🔗

Yes, they’re claiming record circulation numbers of late. Which must prove something.

423079 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #541 of 1758 🔗

I started getting it last May as it was more sceptical than my usual news intake (The Times and the FT, both of which have been utterly abysmal).

So I suppose I am the demographic they are looking for (under 50, female).

But I am disappointed by a lot of the articles in recent months.

422512 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cecil B, 1, #542 of 1758 🔗

Couldn’t have expressed my antipathy to the dreadful rag any better myself.

422565 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 1, #543 of 1758 🔗

I cancelled my subscription last month.

422315 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 7, #544 of 1758 🔗

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/02/no_author/virologists-report-poor-mans-amino-acid-cure-for-covid-19-would-abolish-need-for-vaccines/

Lysine. Interesting.
But will probably be diffamated rather than investigated properly, to be able to proceed with the
profitable genocide.

422906 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JayBee, #545 of 1758 🔗

Lysine is a well known virus killer – very effective for cold sores, shingles, chicken pox etc

422316 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 27, #546 of 1758 🔗

Been having an e-mail chat with a friend (same age as me and lives opposite side of same county)yesterday and he told me this:

“That’s a coincidence.

I too received a call from a no caller ID today (our call was the GP’s number and they introduced themselves) – Offering me the vaccination.

I told the caller “ no thank you, I self heal and self medicate. If you look at my records, I declined Chemotherapy for cancer, so I would never accept a vaccine” ( off the record at the time his cancer specialist told him that he would have made exactly the same decision as he would not take chemotherapy either)

To which she says, “ I will put you on the declined the vaccine list then” !!

I think we may be the last unaltered humans on the planet! I might be able to sell my blood soon as there will be very little of our DNA form available. As soon as this lockdown is lifted, we should grab a well deserved beer or 5 ”

Looking forward to the last bit.

But if us young 50ish are getting calls they are eitehr way ahead of target or need to use lots up due to no-shows.

422341 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #547 of 1758 🔗

If you look at the more wilder stuff coming out of the WEF they see a future where humanity merges with machines to create a new race.

423295 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to jonathan Palmer, #548 of 1758 🔗

But Schwab is in his 80;s he will have to be cryogenically frozen to get the benefits in the ‘future’

422458 ▶▶ Cane Corso, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #549 of 1758 🔗

I had a similar call. Asked me ID security Qs but I could not reciprocate. I said I may rethink when the jab companies are legally liable for any side effects. Their exemption was news to the nice lady at the other end.
I too declined chemo after an op. My surgeon was not surprised.

422317 BJs Brain is Missing, 54, #550 of 1758 🔗

It is very clear now that the UK is Covid HQ and is a primary driving force behind all this deranged nonsense. Mass non-compliance has to be the way ahead, because unfortunately this government is batting for another team, and it isn’t the UK.

Reclaim your stolen property – your liberty.

422326 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 38, #551 of 1758 🔗

So, in my daughter’s A-level year (except there won’t be any exams cos, you know, everyone will die in the exam hall if they take them ), she won’t be able to attend school unless I consent to intrusive, pointless tests at school, and actually administer them myself at home.

I hate every single arm of the State and would rejoice in the death of the scum who staff it.

422332 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #552 of 1758 🔗

Of course there will be no way around this, like every member of the family taking the “test” until you hit negative. I assume other work arounds will be available.

422344 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Smelly Melly, 23, #553 of 1758 🔗

That’s really only to play their game. We must stop playing the game altogether, throw the game board at the wall and refuse to do the tests, provide results, and say no, not today, not net week. NO TESTING!

422353 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to this is my username, 22, #554 of 1758 🔗

I’m not complying, and I’m not pretending to comply. It’s why I won’t get a lanyard, I regard that as playing the game.

422625 ▶▶▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #555 of 1758 🔗

Exactly, I wear a lanyard but feel like I’m wearing a yellow star of David.

I understand that Morrisons tried to make normal people (who don’t wear masks) to wear a yellow label. Isn’t anybody in Morrisons old or educated enough to know that Jews had to wear a yellow star to identify them. I cannot see the difference between a yellow label in Morrison, a lanyard or a yellow star of David.

422754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #556 of 1758 🔗

TBH the yellow star would be a potent symbol of defiance at this point
Never underestimate the power of optics

422445 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to this is my username, 2, #557 of 1758 🔗

Exactly.

422335 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #558 of 1758 🔗

Too late to edit now, but it’s appropriate to the rage I feel.

422536 ▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #559 of 1758 🔗

No need to edit Jo, I feel exactly the same rage and have wished death on those responsible many a time. I don’t have school age children nor a job that I am afraid to lose if I don’t take the poison, but I do care about the future and our freedoms.

422338 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #560 of 1758 🔗

Am I being a tool in thinking this is self testing or will you need to provide evidence?

422347 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #561 of 1758 🔗

Not compulsory.

422354 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #562 of 1758 🔗

I’m assuming that LFT since it uses a swab up the nose etc will work on house plants and diverse other surfaces. Admittedly there may be awkward questions if the cat returns a false positive.

422359 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #563 of 1758 🔗

Fuck testing them, open the thing up wave it in the air and put it back in the tube or whatever.

422507 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Will, 11, #564 of 1758 🔗

That’s certainly what I’d do. But make sure to prime your kids against the questions which the teachers will inevitably ask about exactly how you administered the test- like the East German teachers who found out which households were watching West German TV by asking the children about the stories they heard on the previous evening’s news bulletins. And then grassed them up to the Stasi.

422613 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #565 of 1758 🔗

you took the very words out of my mouth. see you on the barricades.

422342 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 22, #566 of 1758 🔗

Exactly a year ago Whitty and his best buddy Vallance wrote a short letter to Nature about the emerging coronavirus epidemic.

18 February 2020
Coronavirus: global solutions to prevent a pandemic
Charlotte H. Watts, Patrick Vallance & Christopher J. M. Whitty
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00457-y
The first paragraph says :

Investment in research must be fast-tracked if we are to tackle the new coronavirus disease, COVID-19. We need greater insight into the transmission, progression and epidemiology of this respiratory illness. We need to know the risk factors for infection, the role of asymptomatic or mild infection and the nature of ‘super-spreaders’. We must determine disease seasonality and the viability of the virus in hot, humid environments, and improve estimates of death rates by age.

I have highlighted those sentences wihich are basically project objectives , and now , a year and £500 billion pounds later what results have Whitty and Vallance come up with . How do we assign an annual performance assessment on them?
Risk factors for Infection: Hospitals account for 40% of cases , care homes for 20% , and that about it for risk factors .
Role of asymptomatic infection: Don’t know
Nature of super-spreaders: Don’t know
Seasonality : We (ie we govt scientists) have dismissed that as a factor , despite decades of papers discussing it for flu , often called “seasonal flu” – the clue is in the name, unless you are employed by Imperial College.
Estimates of death rate by age: We have the information but you will have to work hard to find it and we don’t actually know whether death is by or with covid (actually we do but are not going to tell you)

Is my assessment a bit unfair , I would rate them as 2/10 after 1 year of unfetterred power and 500 billion pounds of public money . Given that Whitty is “the greatest living British scientist” that does not speak highly of British science.

422360 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to mikewaite, 15, #567 of 1758 🔗

2/10 is highly generous. The two of them are out and out rogues and like their political masters they are implicated in the mass murder of many thousands of our fellow citizens.

422413 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mikewaite, 5, #568 of 1758 🔗

Don’t forget this one that NO-ONE in the MSM will publish including Toby and Will:

CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the health and social care committee hearing:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-

And what about this rather prophetic and totally unannounced and unpublicised release of a statement on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. It stated:

“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.
For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””

This is the “serious and imminent threat statement” required by the Government so that they could introduce the very first piece of “coronavirus” legislation. It was introduced at 2.30 pm on the 10th February 2020 without Parliamentary oversight or debate and is now revoked. This was The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument and it was subsequently amended on the 25th February 2020.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/made

This statement was made 11 days before the piece of legislation it was required for was written and laid before Parliament and came into force the very same afternoon.

How did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance of a Statutory Instrument being written that “medical advice” would be required?

Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s section and not on the DHSC webpages and why was it not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?

As this was part of a FOI request answer then either the above is the only advice given by the CMOs or the DHSC have withheld more detailed advice.

Again, NO-ONE in the MSM will even mention this piece of legislation including Toby and Will.

They keep going on about the elgislation that came into force on March 26th 2020 but never mention the legislation from February 2020.

Why not? I cannot get an answer from anyone.

422343 Will, 19, #569 of 1758 🔗

The cognitive dissonance required to believe this “lockdown” has caused any fall in infections has to be the most extreme such example of the whole “pandemic”. The peak of deaths was on the 19th of January you twats!!!

422352 muzzle, replying to muzzle, 22, #570 of 1758 🔗

Bits from an email from our school about self testing…

Students will then bring their test kit and labels home from school the day before their first test as well as a leaflet giving step by step instructions. They will be given enough sample pots and labels for eight weeks of testing. It is important that your child takes the test when they wake up – before they have anything to eat or drink and before they brush their teeth.

Once the sample has been labelled and bagged, your child will need to bring it to school with them and put it into the collection box at the entrance as they go into the building. The tests will be collected and taken to the test centre on the same day. Test results will be returned in the next 24-48 hours and you will receive a text message telling you the result of your child’s test…..

Whilst this testing is not compulsory , we would urge all of you to take part.

This was sent end of Jan.

422362 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to muzzle, 16, #571 of 1758 🔗

F×CK EM!!

422366 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to muzzle, 11, #572 of 1758 🔗

Living on a constant knife edge. Chat at school consumed by Covid test results. This is sick

422439 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to muzzle, 14, #573 of 1758 🔗

Everyone should either
– sabotage it
– refuse to take part/throw it in the bin
– send them back to Downing St 10 to produce waste/hassle.
That’s how civil disobedience works and how the whole thing can be ended by the public if it wishes to end it.
They opened a door for it hereby.

422902 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to JayBee, #574 of 1758 🔗

Sabotage might still lead to positive result – best not to do it

422531 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to muzzle, 6, #575 of 1758 🔗

Stick the swab in a dog turd & send it back see what they make of that.

422793 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #576 of 1758 🔗

They will be panicking about a new strain that shares genetic similarities with Pedigree Chum, terrifying!

422532 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to muzzle, 4, #577 of 1758 🔗

Collection box?

No chance for cross-contamination there!

What a joke.

422570 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to awildgoose, 1, #578 of 1758 🔗

That’s probably the whole point of these boxes….

422535 ▶▶ RickH, replying to muzzle, 1, #579 of 1758 🔗

Tap water is free.

422574 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to muzzle, 1, #580 of 1758 🔗

So they have known about this since end of Jan? So presumably if it is not mandatory if we refuse to consent, the kids can still attend school?

422601 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to muzzle, 1, #581 of 1758 🔗

god, I would so be home-schooling now if I had children that age. the state has amply demonstrated it has zero interest in your child’s education, and I think the only reason they are talking about re-opening the schools is so as to harvest these tests that will keep the lie going – and in due course, the vaccine. I wouldn’t let my kids anywhere near these places

422357 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 31, #582 of 1758 🔗

They have not done any of this to protect the elderly, but to kill them. They have not done any of this to harm the young but to stoke hatred from the young towards the “boomers”.

Have you ever wondered how they ended up being called boomers? This idea of a baby boom after the second world war is such a lie. My Grandfather was one of eleven back in the early 1900’s. There was no baby boom after the second world war, but it was the first generation who were allowed to live and didn’t get sent to war.

These labels need to be scrutinised and rejected. Over and over the MSM write the narrative and we end up parroting it.

Another example is the Karen meme – these are middle aged white women. This is an anti-white racist meme, designed to silence the last vocal group of whites. Very few white men in that age bracket dare speak. I’m not saying that there aren’t busy bodies around, but this meme is pure racism, and we should be careful not to use such easy throw-away labels to dismiss people.

422431 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to this is my username, 6, #583 of 1758 🔗

I disagree with practically everything you say here.
The boomers and the millennials are driving this authoritarian destruction.
Millennial Karens are indeed the most patronizing and biggest cheerleaders of it.
Individualistic, pragmatic, liberty loving Xers and Silents are either resisting, or helplessly standing by, or have to enforce it or bought into it, while Zs don’t/can’t care yet or are already too de-induvidualised- none of them are the real drivers though.
Read ‘The fourth turning’ before you thin-slice the generations so erroneously in that or any other regards.

422524 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JayBee, 4, #584 of 1758 🔗

I object too infantile labels & name-calling “boomers” & “millennials” straight out of Marxist ideology LOL @ lefties.

422561 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, #585 of 1758 🔗

Those are standard terms to depict the different generations, nothing else.

422598 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to JayBee, 4, #586 of 1758 🔗

Standard terms provided by our enemy! You didn’t make them up, they are provided for you. Stop falling for their lies – every generation has a mixture of behaviours and thinking.

422529 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JayBee, 1, #587 of 1758 🔗

What’s it like down there in the government’s trap? Or are we talking to 77th Brigade?

423205 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to this is my username, 1, #588 of 1758 🔗

“There was no baby boom after the second world war, but it was the first generation who were allowed to live and didn’t get sent to war.” – Thank you for this most amazing insight. I never thought of the war casualties this way before.

422358 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #589 of 1758 🔗

Is it possible for the 77th to register for this site and then downtick comments in order to suppress them without ever posting anything themselves?

I have no objection to being downticked

However the icon does not show upticks and downticks but an aggregate

422361 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cecil B, 8, #590 of 1758 🔗

I don’t have to login in order to either downtick or uptick,

422368 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 2, #591 of 1758 🔗

We call them “glowies” in other darker corners of the internet
as in glow in the dark spooks
You can always tell when a post is positively glowing

422519 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 3, #592 of 1758 🔗

I object to downticks paid for out of my taxes.

422367 this is my username, 18, #593 of 1758 🔗

I got a reply from the BBC, I’ll only share the first couple of lines, because they are amusing [emphasis added]:

“Thank you for contacting us regarding the Panorama programme, Vaccines: The Disinformation War, first broadcast on Monday 15th February.

To allow us to reply promptly, and to ensure we use our licence fee resources as efficiently as possible, we’re sending this response to everyone. We’re sorry we can’t reply individually, but we hope this will address most of the points you raised.”

I take it they had a lot of complaints! Good!

422370 Mark, 22, #594 of 1758 🔗

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1362181460887826435

“The strict lockdown in the UK was so effective that it stopped the spread of Covid in Sweden as well”

422371 NickR, replying to NickR, 9, #595 of 1758 🔗

I thought some of you might like to see how credible the suggested 1,000 a day positive test results before easing lockdown was. Here is the data showing the assumed FPR of 0.8%, what 1000 cases a day and what the actual cases per day have looked like.
1,000 a day, given the number of tests being carried out is a tall order, a target that’s never meant to be hit?

422400 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NickR, 7, #596 of 1758 🔗

Henegen called it in May. We will never be free of lockdown because of a statistical anomoly

422404 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #597 of 1758 🔗

Yes, 1,000 a day would be about a quarter of the current assumed FPR of 0.8%.

422809 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to NickR, 1, #598 of 1758 🔗

In Greece, a country with a fraction of the UK’s population and which has never been as badly hit by Covid (assuming of course that its statistics and UK statistics are correct) they still struggle to get less than 1,000 cases a day.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/greece/

422521 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 5, #599 of 1758 🔗

a target that’s never meant to be hit?”

I think you’ve hit on the head, Nick.

422372 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 13, #600 of 1758 🔗

I’m going to share this bit about breadcrumbing by Narcissists again. Very helpful – this is just what the government are doing. The BIT know what this does to people – they are the experts. So this is surely not being done in error?

“Breadcrumbing by a narcissist is to throw you a little glimpse of hope, to keep you interested in them, often just as you’ve had enough they’ll throw you just enough crumbs that requires as little effort as possible on their part to give you the feeling that this time it will all work out ok, to stop you walking away, because they still have a need for you, not because the narcissist cares for you.Breadcrumbing is the narcissist’s way of sending you false signals of hope, irregular messages to keep you intrigued and thinking if you hold on just a little bit longer, it will all be ok after all the narcissist told you it would all be ok, that they would never hurt you, lie to you, not to worry and everything will be fine, and they care about you right? Wrong, they lack the empathy to care. However, our trust within their gaslighting words leads us to lose our faith within our instincts.

With a narcissist’s things are not as straight forward as they promise something, don’t deliver, we see them for who they are, and we walk, that would be too easy, with a narcissist, they love bomb, idealise, devalue, intimidate and isolate, so we become confused as to whether they’re our hero or our worst nightmare, however, because they promise us something, then don’t deliver. Yet, within that none delivery, they either blame us for why they didn’t, ”if only you hadn’t.” and as we hold ourselves accountable, we question ourselves and not them, or they make us feel guilty for bringing a broken promise up. They come at us with things such as “It’s not all about you, why are you so selfish? After all, I’ve done for you.” We begin to question ourselves more than we do them. Yet, just as we have finally had enough of false promises and lies, they bring on their admiration face, and play nice, offering us those crumbs of hope, that if we just hold on a little longer, for it to cycle back around again.”

The writer acknowledges that she’s a bit dyslexic, but I think she makes absolutely brilliant points. Link: https://wasitme.blog/2020/11/05/the-narcissists-bread-crumbing/

422557 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to this is my username, 2, #601 of 1758 🔗

https://www.dieostschweiz.ch/artikel/mit-allen-wassern-gewaschen-YrnpQDL

Similar one about brainwashing techniques in German.
The real problem for us is: it will take decades to treat and unwash them.

422375 Derek Toyne, 25, #602 of 1758 🔗

What we should all realise this is year zero. For the past year the government as been preparing us for where nobody will be allowed to get covid to do so would mean lockdown. At the moment vaccines are being used to protect the most vulnerable but if infections once again increase it’s lockdown. While the rate of infections in adults is decreasing the government seems hell bent on finding infections in children to justify continuing with some sort of lockdown. This is madness as it means there’s no end in sight and we must all wake up and tell everyone this is not temporary it is permanent. As well as not cooperating we should counter the scaremongering by pointing out for anyone under 60 without any health problems you have 99% chance of survival. Or last year 1700 people died in car accidents while less than 400 under 60 year olds without health problems died of covid. In other words your risk of death from driving a car is four times greater than covid. Risk is part of life when people understand that we will stop living in fear and once again be free.

422376 Niborxof, 6, #603 of 1758 🔗

“I will send you tired, you poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe covid free, you wretched refuse of our teeming shore. Send away, you near homeless, tempest-tossed to be locked down some more, I have extinguisher the lamp beside the golden door!” Boris Johnson’s exciting new update on the Poem From the Statue of Liberty

422382 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 24, #605 of 1758 🔗

An infantalised nation depending on the government to give them ‘rules’ to ‘stay safe’ and get through each day, weaponised health care which coincidentally is a money spinner for the few, what could go wrong

422396 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #606 of 1758 🔗

allowed, drives me nuts

422402 ▶▶▶ Morse, replying to DanClarke, 7, #607 of 1758 🔗

Or even worse those numpties who can’t spell and say “aloud”, that really get’s my goat. There is definitely an inverse relationship between intelligence and the level of Covidianism.

422406 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Morse, 1, #608 of 1758 🔗

Girls Aloud

422412 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Luckyharry69, 2, #609 of 1758 🔗

Aloud to do what …….

422443 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Morse, #610 of 1758 🔗

LOL – I must admit I hadn’t seen that one!

422436 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to DanClarke, 5, #611 of 1758 🔗

Don’t they just 🙂 Usually they come back with the “killing granny” argument.

How did people give up their independence so easily?

422440 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, #612 of 1758 🔗

and ‘safe’ !

422395 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #614 of 1758 🔗

The Track and Trace infrastructure was always going to be permanent. The £22bn is a sunk cost now

422498 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #615 of 1758 🔗

Imagine getting pinged in the middle of a Tesco aisle for standing next to a refusenik?

With 5g the police could be alerted & there to detain the dirty refuseniks within minutes & put them on a train to nowhere!

It gets more sinister every day. This wasn’t technologically possible even 5yrs ago.

422671 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #616 of 1758 🔗

Is that what HS2 is for? Transportation to the camp outside Birmingham.

422700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jos, 4, #617 of 1758 🔗

At least it’s outside Birmingham, could be worse, in Birmingham.

422437 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #618 of 1758 🔗

Then I’ll pass on clubs, theatres and cinemas.

422448 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #619 of 1758 🔗

Not necessarily – just ditch IOS + android

https://jolla.com/sailfishX/

I have 4 of these and they all work swimmingly
You have to pay £40 for a licence but that ensures your privacy

Anything that is “free” is nothing of the sort

422500 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #620 of 1758 🔗

Or de-google your phone

422720 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #621 of 1758 🔗

Risky as google have their tendrils in everything – even so called Chromium
even so called de googled android
Be interesting to see what the Gab phone looks like

422502 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #622 of 1758 🔗

You mean you haven’t already? The slave-master in your pocket/handbag. MW

422607 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #623 of 1758 🔗

Never had one.

422668 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #624 of 1758 🔗

Leave the phone at home or spend money on a good Faraday bag to place it in.

422702 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to awildgoose, 1, #625 of 1758 🔗

Don’t HAVE one.

422384 The Covid Kid, 16, #626 of 1758 🔗

Cereal killer?!

422387 JFJ, replying to JFJ, 11, #627 of 1758 🔗

I am absolutely gutted to learn of the Lamb and Flag closing. I was up (Worcester College) many years ago (we won’t say how long) and spent many a wonderful time with both friends and family in the Lamb and Flag having a pint of Courage or a meal. The food was very good as well, especially Sunday lunches. The staff were always friendly and it was fun knowing that drinking scenes from Morris were filmed there on occasion. Places like this were much more than ‘watering holes’, they were warm, significant cultural and historical places where you could rest from the outside world and enjoy the company of others.

422420 ▶▶ davews, replying to JFJ, 3, #628 of 1758 🔗

I think that was a pub I had lunch in on a visit to Oxford some years ago. Sadly there will be many others following its demise.

422389 JayBee, 6, #629 of 1758 🔗

Two great articles in German on Achgut today. One debunking the 10 life years lost per Covid victim calculations, the other one providing more details on the dangers of the so called ‘vaccines’.
One eloquent passage:
Um solche Wirkungen (ADE etc.) auszuschließen, muss man bei der Impfstoffentwicklung 18 Monate lang geimpfte Tiere beobachten, danach 2 Jahre lang eine kleine Gruppe menschlicher Impflinge. Beide Phasen wurden bei den SARS-CoV-2-Impfstoffen übersprungen, weshalb es auch keine Impfstoffe, sondern lediglich immunogene Substanzen sind. Daher haben sie auch keine reguläre Zulassung, sondern Not- oder Sonderzulassungen erhalten. Eine kollektive Verantwortungslosigkeit, die wir nach dem zweiten Weltkrieg bei westlichen Zulassungsbehörden noch nicht erlebt haben.

A never seen collective irresponsibilty to emergency approve these immonu-genetic substances in light of them skipping entirely the normally neccessary 18month/2year animal/human trials to exclude ADE&co.

422391 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #630 of 1758 🔗

You heard about a booster shot in Autumn from BJ now BG has gone one further. A third shot needed because variants

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/

422394 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #631 of 1758 🔗

Will it stop at 3 though, once you get into big money its addictive

422398 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to DanClarke, 8, #632 of 1758 🔗

The frequency of these shots is only restricted by supply.

422409 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to DanClarke, 2, #633 of 1758 🔗

It can’t be about money.
A) Soon it will be worthless.
B) The deliberate destruction means less/none of it for everyone at some point, even for Bezos, Musk, a teacher or a heart surgeon.

422417 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JayBee, 2, #634 of 1758 🔗

That’s the conundrum, if no one has money, how do the rich get richer

422432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 4, #635 of 1758 🔗

I think it’s about power, not money.

Money is just a medium used to keep score and this can be changed to whatever – land holdings, slaves, serfs, gold, silver, precious metals and rare earths etc. whenever is required and a new medium of exchange is required.

422488 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 3, #636 of 1758 🔗

They don’t need more money, how can you spend a hundred billion? They want power & control.

422551 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #637 of 1758 🔗

Cybernetics.

422499 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to DanClarke, 8, #638 of 1758 🔗

Technocrats are way beyond money. It’s about resources, power and control. They are also way beyond politics and politicians will not be needed in their Brave New World. BJ and his muckers should take note. ‘It’s a big club and they ain’t in it’ (either). MW

422433 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JayBee, 2, #639 of 1758 🔗

Its not really about money its about power over the masses.

422415 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, 3, #640 of 1758 🔗

Look how many updates MS Windows needs there is your answer.

422429 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #641 of 1758 🔗

You’ll become just another device like your laptop, tablet, TV, mobile devices. Scary thought eh?

422405 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #642 of 1758 🔗

And that’s before Covid 21, 22, 23ff and the 3 shots for each one of them…
Everyone with an IQ above 50 could see what’s (not) happening, once we let them open that door without an exit strategy.

422426 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #643 of 1758 🔗

Think of all that lovely money finding its way into their bank accounts! By the time Bonzo is deposed he’ll be as rich as Croesus!

422397 merlin, replying to merlin, 16, #644 of 1758 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9271999/Pfizer-says-South-African-variant-significantly-reduce-vaccine-protection.html#article-9271999
How stupid must you be to take these experimental gene therapies whilst they tell you that they don’t protect against ‘new’ variants.

422423 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to merlin, 11, #645 of 1758 🔗

You have to be pretty stupid actually, however, stupidity not in short supply in the UK.

422403 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 10, #646 of 1758 🔗

https://www.neulandrebellen.de/2021/02/ich-will-mein-altes-leben-zurueck-bleibt-alles-anders/

This is a brilliant but very sad article on why we will never be able to get back to ‘normal’ even if we could or were allowed to.
It fits in with today’s Mercola one about the collective psychosis of 98% of people:
How can the few non-psychotic ones ever forgive them, live with and treat them as before?
This would require an external event/enemy allowing people to deny and suppress what’s happened for many decades, similar to Germans collective experience post 1945 to 1989.

423052 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JayBee, #647 of 1758 🔗

Well, given the only way we will get through this is in exposing Gates et al, HE would be the external enemy.

423059 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JayBee, #648 of 1758 🔗

That article is bullshit. Acts as if the virus is a threat. It isn’t: it’s a fucking fraud. What a CUNT article.

422407 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 14, #649 of 1758 🔗

Will education be segregated, dependent on getting tested and having the app. Segregation, that’s something I never expected to hear in the UK

422414 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 8, #650 of 1758 🔗

No Irish, No Blacks, No Unvaccinated.

422418 ▶▶ merlin, replying to DanClarke, 6, #651 of 1758 🔗

Sounds appealing. Keep me away from those genetically modified morons.

422408 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, -10, #652 of 1758 🔗

This was a news release a few days ago. Also another company called Deepverge (Ticker DVRG) have developed a breath test device using the Avacta affimer where you simply blow into an handheld device containing a chip that captures any virus. Then you take these chips to a test centre where they give you the results immediately. Apparently The hand held device will cost you about £40 and the chips will be about £6 for a pack of 5. Results are then sent to your phone using blockchain technology and QR codes. This could be the way of of the testing cycle.

RNS Number : 1809P
Avacta Group PLC
16 February 2021
16 February 2021
Avacta Group plc
(“Avacta” or “the Group” or “the Company”)
Results of Initial Evaluation of SARS-CoV-2 Lateral Flow Antigen Test with Clinical Samples
Avacta Group plc (AIM: AVCT), the developer of Affimer(R) biotherapeutics and reagents, announces that it has received the first data for its SARS-CoV-2 rapid antigen test from ongoing clinical studies in Europe and the UK. These data show excellent performance of the test in identifying patients with an infectious viral load and no false positive results.
Avacta’s SARS-CoV-2 rapid antigen test has been developed to identify infectious individuals so that they can isolate promptly and reduce the spread of COVID-19. A recent report from the Liverpool Covid SMART Pilot Study(1) indicates that individuals with COVID-19 infection had a significant chance of infecting their contacts if they had a viral load measured by PCR, called the Ct value (cycle threshold value), of approximately 25 or lower. The Ct value indicates how many PCR cycles are required to amplify the viral RNA so that it can be detected and a lower Ct value indicates a higher viral load.
The initial evaluation of Avacta’s lateral flow rapid antigen test with clinical samples has been carried out at two sites, one in EU and one in the UK using patient samples with viral loads confirmed by PCR. 30 positive samples were tested with Ct values of 26 and below, with half of those in the range 22-26, and the lateral flow test identified 29/30 of these correctly as positive. This indicates a clinical sensitivity of 96.7% for samples with a Ct value below 26. Importantly, out of a total of 26 negative samples tested with the lateral flow device, the test correctly identified all 26 as negative, giving a clinical specificity of 100%. High specificity is critical for a lateral flow test for mass screening so that large numbers of false positives are not generated which would create a major burden on follow-on testing resources, and result in a significant socio-economic cost of unnecessarily isolating people.

422667 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 1, #653 of 1758 🔗

OK OK, yeah I don’t like the narrative either, just showing people tests are being developed.

422897 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, #655 of 1758 🔗

Thanks. Great article

422428 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #657 of 1758 🔗

Why in Christ’s name would anyone in their 20s get the jab?

422454 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #658 of 1758 🔗

So they can get a vaccination passport.

422484 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #659 of 1758 🔗

Cause they are thick. So they can on holiday. Social media likes. Work mandate (not there just yet).

422416 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #660 of 1758 🔗

Is there something in the milk Allergy to cow’s milk is the most common cause of fatal reactions in children and is ‘increasingly’ affecting adults, study shows This is why I don’t trust THE science any more, I don’t believe it, I really don’t.

422444 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #661 of 1758 🔗

Just another nudge to push being vegan.

422451 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Cumbriacracked, -3, #662 of 1758 🔗

Cow’s milk is disgusting. It is meant for calves. Would you go putting human breast milk in your cereal?

422479 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jb12, 7, #663 of 1758 🔗

Cows milk is yummy & an excellent source of vitamin B & D. I don’t recall what human milk tastes like so can’t say.

422642 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Anti_socialist, -3, #664 of 1758 🔗

Spinach gives you more vitamin B without the disgusting mucus. Salmon and some meats give you far more.

422660 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jb12, #665 of 1758 🔗

Cheeese, yoghuurt, creeeam yum, toxic farmed Salmon, no thanks.

Farmed Norwegian Salmon World’s Most Toxic Food
& don’t go thinking wild salmon is much better…

Salmon Confidential, Documentary About Salmon Farms in Canada & Diseased Salmon
Scottish coastal waters are some of the most polluted in Europe.

422714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Anti_socialist, -3, #666 of 1758 🔗

Eat spinach then. Or keep suckling from momma bovine (who herself is full of antibiotics, steroids and other toxins!)

422851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jb12, 1, #667 of 1758 🔗

Organic, doesn’t mean what it used to, but nonetheless not soaked in glyphosate like your spinach, you’ve seen what it did to POP eye right, they didn’t call him pop eye for nothing.

423306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to jb12, #668 of 1758 🔗

This also is absolutely true

423303 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to jb12, #669 of 1758 🔗

This is absolutely true

422468 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #670 of 1758 🔗

No. It’s an allergy.

422563 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 2, #671 of 1758 🔗

Yes I agree but there are so many articles where there is an underlying prose of animal produce bad v plant good.

422733 ▶▶ mj, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #672 of 1758 🔗

it is the LCT gene and whether you have it or not . This gene allows the small intestine to break down lactose. In the absence of the gene then lactose is not broken down and adverse effects occur. 65% of the world’s population do not have the gene. The 35 % that do have the gene includes most europeans.. Hence milk drinking is common in this country.
However my daughter as a baby had an intolerance to dairy and so we got our no dairy baby formula on prescription …. which was good.

422419 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 18, #673 of 1758 🔗

In the ABL article by a senior nurse said this:

“These two issues of isolation and hospital hygiene are extremely relevant to the Covid situation today. The importance of isolating contagious patients was Suggested by Jefferson and Henegan but apparently this suggestion has been ignored by Government planners. And it is hard to see why Nightingale hospitals and some imagination with staffing were not used for this purpose.”

Why did the National Hell Service not follow a diffrent approach back in February 2020 to stop the Rona ripping through all its hospitals by trying to isolate covid victims and try to segragate the infected physically?

They didn’t do anything that would actually help stop the spread of Rona because:

THEY WANTED TO SELL BILLIONS OF FACE NAPPIES AND OTHER PPE.

People who had a companys dealing in PPE said this would stop the Rona and the arrogant corrupt lying scumbags implemented PPE as THE protection policy.

We knew face naps were worse than useless but the psychopaths had the sales of face naps and blue gloves to drive through the roof.

They also had the other incentive of killing as many people as possible to drive The Corona Project.

BASTARDS.

422518 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Two-Six, 5, #674 of 1758 🔗

Corona is the ultimate racket.

They are making so much from the tests and PPE that it’s too big to cure.

422422 kh904, 4, #675 of 1758 🔗

Geez! I can’t believe I agree with David Aaronovitch’s piece (well the portion that’s on the lockdown sceptics site, I can’t read the Times article).
I agree with him that ALL restrictions and tracking apps etc need to go and it must be explicit that vaccines must be voluntary!

422425 Fear is Finite, 8, #676 of 1758 🔗

Paraphrased from Cleveland Clinic (below). Obviously doesn’t quite fit, as there is significant financial gain for the good chums of the regime, but scarily apt in places. Thinking about how I can incorporate this into my next letter to the school / MP. If anyone wants my healthy kids to get tested twice a week to access educational establishments they can jog on. I don’t think pretending to do the tests is the answer. We need to say no, we do not consent, and we need to pursue legal action if there is any whiff of compulsion / coercion.

Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another (FDIA)

Factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA) formerly Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSP) is a mental illness in which a person acts as if an individual he or she is caring for has a physical or mental illness when the person is not really sick.

The adult perpetrator has the diagnosis (FDIA) and directly produces or lies about illness in another person under his or her care, usually a child under 6 years of age. It is considered a form of abuse by the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children. However, cases have been reported of adult victims, especially the disabled or elderly. FDIA was previously known as Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

People with FDIA have an inner need for the other person (often his or her child) to be seen as ill or injured. It is not done to achieve a concrete benefit, such as financial gain. People with FDIA are even willing to have the child or patient undergo painful or risky tests and operations in order to get the sympathy and special attention given to people who are truly ill and their families. Factitious disorders are considered mental illnesses because they are associated with severe emotional difficulties.

Successful treatment of people with FDIA is difficult because those with the disorder often deny there is a problem. In addition, treatment success is dependent on catching the person in the act or the person telling the truth. People with FDIA tend to be such accomplished liars that they begin to have trouble telling fact from fiction.

Considered a form of child abuse, FDIA is a criminal offence.

422430 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 10, #677 of 1758 🔗

From my employer:

COVID 19 Vaccination Myths

Myth #1: The speed of development means the vaccine may be unsafe.
Fact: Many sceptics have noted how quickly the vaccine has been developed but this is just a reflection of the extraordinary scientific advances that have been made in vaccine technology. Along with this the development of the vaccine has been backed with significant funding which has allowed for record breaking development and almost 24 hour working getting this vaccine tested and approved.

Myth #2: I have already had Covid-19 and hence do not need the vaccine.
Fact: Due to the severe health risks associated with the illness, the fact that reinfection with Covid-19 is possible means the advice is to be vaccinated again. Research published today by Public Health England (PHE) in the Siren report shows that antibodies from past infections provide 83% protection for at least five months but does not stop you from passing the virus on to others. No one is clear how long our natural immunity will last and it is unclear if a previous infection to Covid-19 will protect against new mutations. In addition, it has been suggested that having a Covid-19 vaccine after having a confirmed infection (at least 28 days after diagnosis) may boost your immune response further (i.e., like having a second jab to prime your immunity).

Myth #3: Covid-19 vaccines have severe side effects.
Fact: As with all vaccines, there are expected short-term reactions and both the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/Astra Zeneca jab are no exceptions. Patients may develop a headache, fatigue, muscle pain or a low grade fever.

Myth #4: You can stop wearing a mask after being vaccinated.
Fact: You are not bullet proof after being vaccinated and can still pass on the virus to others. Unless you have a medical reason for not wearing a mask, it is mandatory to wear one at all times when not at your desk whilst at work. Along with this remember Hands, Face and Space at all times.

Myth #5: Our immune systems are better than vaccines.
Fact: Our immune system is amazing at preventing disease but it needs to be primed so it can respond quicker. Although the vast majority of individuals recover without any long term ill health, a significant number of people will require hospital admission and unfortunately die from the virus. Prevention is better than cure and vaccinations will help reduce the spread of the virus.

Myth #6: Covid-19 vaccines were developed to control the population through microchip tracking in the human brain using ‘nanotransducers’.
Fact: The only device tracking you is your mobile phone! Likewise, false information has spiralled from conspiracy theorist and although technology has moved on, there is no GPS tracker in the vaccine vials. If you believe that this is some ploy to gain control of our minds you probably also believe the earth is flat and the Loch Ness monster is alive and well!

Myth #7: Covid-19 vaccinations will cause infertility in men and women.
Fact: This is not proven and NHS England has supported by stating there is no evidence to suggest the vaccine will cause any issues with fertility. The vaccine was not tested on pregnant women and hence why it is not licensed for use in this group, however no reports of any harm have been reported in individuals as per the evidence collated within COVID-19 in Pregnancy (PregCOV-19LSR) – University of Birmingham ) .“

422447 ▶▶ jb12, replying to p02099003, 13, #678 of 1758 🔗

#1 is the baaing of an absolute retard.

422453 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to p02099003, 11, #679 of 1758 🔗

#6 shows the those who have written the ‘facts’ are not impartial.

422455 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to p02099003, 20, #680 of 1758 🔗

Fact: You are not bullet proof after being vaccinated and can still pass on the virus to others. Unless you have a medical reason for not wearing a mask, it is mandatory to wear one at all times when not at your desk whilst at work. Along with this remember Hands, Face and Space at all times.

So, not a vaccine then?

422456 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to p02099003, 23, #681 of 1758 🔗

Virtually all they say is a myth.

Myth 1 : you can’t rush time regardless how many millions of mans hours went into this.
Myth 2: Totally ignoring T-Cell immunity and virology
Myth 3: Yes death, you can’t come back from that one.
Myth 4: Facemasks do fuck all other than to make you ill.
Myth 5: Yep it sure is.
Myth 6: What a stupid thing to put in a fact sheet. They may well as said it will turn shit into gold.
Myth 7: Government own website says they don’t know. If you don’t know then why risk it.

422459 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 2, #682 of 1758 🔗

Shocking. You’re being asked to join the herd.

422461 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, 3, #683 of 1758 🔗

Are you going to send a rebuttal?

422729 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #684 of 1758 🔗

Yes I will do sometime next week, when I have got all of my references in a row.

422464 ▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, 3, #685 of 1758 🔗

Reads more like the ‘Credo’ rather than an analysis.

422664 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to RickH, 2, #686 of 1758 🔗

Dogma of the Covidian religion.

422470 ▶▶ Mark, replying to p02099003, 4, #687 of 1758 🔗

Founded on the fundamentally wrong panicker precept that covid is some kind of unusually dangerous disease, rather than on the truth – that it’s broadly in the same category as other seasonal respiratories.

Other conclusions are subordinate to that basic error, mostly rationalisations for why normal presumptions should not apply to policies supposedly addressing covid, because it’s an unusual “emergency” situation, such as not bothering with the usual testing regimes for medication, requiring ridiculous over-precautions, etc

422481 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to p02099003, 8, #688 of 1758 🔗

Estimated Study Completion Dates f rom the US National Library of Medicine clinical trials database:

Oxford/AstraZeneca : February 21, 2023
Pfizer/BioNTech : January 31, 2023
Moderna : October 27, 2022

No amount of extra funding will get you a time machine.

422490 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to p02099003, 1, #689 of 1758 🔗

Local Council?

422725 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to nottingham69, 2, #690 of 1758 🔗

Nope a health care company providing urgent care services and 111 services in the East Midlands./

422573 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to p02099003, 4, #691 of 1758 🔗

Hi p02099003

Many thanks for posting.

When I see this sort of thing, if I ever I have doubts (and occasionally I do) as to whether I am correct to be at the very least dubious/curious/concerned about what is going on, then this reassures me.

Myth 6 in particular really is written to appeal to dribbling simpletons, no other way to dress it up.

Best regards

Simon

422742 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to SimonCook, 2, #692 of 1758 🔗

6 is in there to show that everybody that has any doubts about vaccine must believe all these myths and so must be an idiot because 6 is so ridiculous .
personally i think 6 is a myth but all the others are not – or are not verifiable

422599 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to p02099003, 3, #693 of 1758 🔗

Shit that’s upsetting, Nessie isn’t real? WTF! Next they’ll be fact checking Bigfoot.

422713 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #694 of 1758 🔗

They fact check memes now so nothing would surprise me

422659 ▶▶ jos, replying to p02099003, 4, #695 of 1758 🔗

Myth 8: covid19 is worse than flu
Myth 9: only one jab then you’re done
Myth 10: This will never be mandatory

422662 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to p02099003, 1, #696 of 1758 🔗

There are literally dozens, maybe even hundreds of research projects underway to realize the nanites in point #6.

422722 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 3, #697 of 1758 🔗

I work for a health care company and what is really alarming and not a little scary is that this was distributed in the name of our clinical lead, a GP with 24 years experience.

422441 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #698 of 1758 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9271839/Dominic-Cummings-wanted-Boris-Johnson-SCRAP-Sage-raging-leaks-pro-lockdown-scientists.html

The Cummings dirt starting to come out. Nice to see some pressure getting placed on SAGE as well.

422462 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #699 of 1758 🔗

It’s ironic that SAGE is so crap that even Cummings can be right.

Of course, he was wrong in just wanting to get rid of an advisory body – frying pan to fire stuff. But, as with the MHRA, there is a crying need for proper, independence that also constrains participants from sounding off.

422494 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #700 of 1758 🔗

Of course, he was wrong in just wanting to get rid of an advisory body

Why? Hasn’t the lesson of this been precisely that establishment certification is no guarantee of not being disastrously wrong? And given that, why have a massively funded patronage body that just gives additional credence to “experts” regarded as acceptable by the establishment?

Any government needs expert advice. But the politicians should take responsibility for their actions, and not be able to palm it off on a supposed official committee of approved experts. So have a Chief Medical Officer, and assume he has responsibility for advising the government on the state of the science.

What exactly does a huge committee of approved “experts” add?

422559 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Mark, 2, #701 of 1758 🔗

But the experts do not accept collective responsibility. The constant press statements from individuals in SAGE, “Independent SAGE”, NERVETAG, all giving their opinions. This must be intentional to cause more fear and uncertainty.

422581 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to stevie, 2, #702 of 1758 🔗

Wasn’t there something here recently about politicians using the perception of giving up power (supposedly deferring to expert advice) to mask grabs for increased power? “We have to do it because the experts say so”.

Of course the experts will always say in their turn (correctly) that they are not the decision makers.

Advisers advise. Ministers decide.

422634 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 1, #703 of 1758 🔗

There used to be politicians who knew this to be technocracy. Not any more. Politicians see Westminster as a stepping stone to private sector networks and mega bucks. The ministerial ones actually need to be driven by this to get a cabinet post I’d say.

Check out a book called Parliament Inc.

422623 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stevie, 2, #704 of 1758 🔗

True. Devri Sindhar was complaining on twitter this week that people are blaming her for the impact school closures are having on kids.

She only advises apparently. Government’s decide if she raving mad or not.

422492 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #705 of 1758 🔗

They were terrified of Cummings
He wasn’t the bad guy in this instance

422497 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #706 of 1758 🔗

He was pretty clearly one of the Guilty Men of panic and lockdown.

422556 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #707 of 1758 🔗

Cummings is a master at the dark art of manipulation to gain advantage and achieve certain aims. Nothing appears in the MSM about Cummings without his mitts somewhere involved. One of the PM’s concerns, amoungst many, will be what Cummings knows and the damage it can do.

422446 Awkward Git, 1, #708 of 1758 🔗

Does this video explain why the “summer surge” will occur?

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=52232

422449 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #709 of 1758 🔗

Just looked at a Twitter page and apparently “Delete Facebook” is trending on there. Nice thought.

422466 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #710 of 1758 🔗

If I had a facebook account I’d close it.

422761 ▶▶ mj, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #711 of 1758 🔗

if you check out the Australian sky news youtube you will see many articles about how Facebook is trying to block Australia ……

422452 Marialta, replying to Marialta, 4, #712 of 1758 🔗

This morning’s episode of Health Check on BBC World Service was very informative. It startedwith a report on the second surge of COVID cases in Mozambique.

Next up was Dr Matthew Bartels a specialist in rehabilitation medicine at the Montefiore hospital in New York. He described an extraordinarily successful ‘natural experiment’ that used physical therapy (physiotherapy) to help the sickest COVID patients clear their lungs which resulted in less than half the mortality rate.

It took place during a surge last year when a shortage of PPE meant they were not able to provide the routine physiotherapy i.e. sitting up on edge of bed, getting out of bed, walking a few steps for 40% of the patients. ( It takes about 45 minutes to prepare and perform this for a patient on oxygen therapy to walk for 5 minutes with equipment attached.) When they compared the results from the two groups of patients the 60% of patients who did mobilise had a large survival benefit and were able to be discharged. It’s obviously time consuming and if there are staff shortages it wouldn’t be possible.

422567 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Marialta, 1, #713 of 1758 🔗

No shit sherlock!

Chest physio for patients with respiratory infections has been going on for ever……

422661 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #714 of 1758 🔗

I know as I worked with them in a multidisciplinary team in hospital. Others may be interested.

422780 ▶▶ mj, replying to Marialta, 4, #715 of 1758 🔗

Chest Physiotherapy ” has been a standard treatment for years for people suffering from cystic fibrosis as this causes mucus on the lungs and the physio can help clear this.
So another example of an accepted and useful therapy that should have been applied to covid patients a year ago

422463 Anti_socialist, 5, #716 of 1758 🔗
422467 John001, replying to John001, 14, #717 of 1758 🔗

Oh no – I’ve just had a *bilingual* invitation by letter to be jabbed as I live in England but my GP is in Wales. I told the GP 3 months ago that I didn’t want one ‘for the time being’. This has not got through.

Nor can I imagine anyone driving to the Royal Welsh Showground in Builth Wells from an address over the border in Herefordshire or Shropshire. So the bosses of Powys Health Board can stick the pile of waste paper they sent me up their arse.

Many GPs in rural Wales are now salaried not independent contractors so seem less able to go against the party line. I think I’ll de-register from any GP to make it harder to track me.

422550 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John001, 4, #718 of 1758 🔗

I was never that impressed with my local GP practice here in Suffolk and have been seriously considering deregistering for some time.

422641 ▶▶ jos, replying to John001, 2, #719 of 1758 🔗

Tell them you’ll have it when they let you out of house arrest.

423037 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to John001, #720 of 1758 🔗

I’d drive there from where I live in Herefordshire just for the fun of a legal drive through Wales. By the time I got to Builth Wells I would develop cold feet about the jab and come home by a different scenic route.

422471 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 31, #721 of 1758 🔗

I’m a member of a car club and have just had the misfortune to read a conversation on a neighbouring region’s FB page.

‘1st jab tomorrow BRING IT ON!

‘Nice one’

Mate’s Dad got it yesterday, he’s over the moon’

‘Still have to keep safe, light at the end of the tunnel in sight’

‘I’m all jabbed now, next one 6 May, YES!

They’re going to be so disappointed when they find that nothing changes.

422476 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Biggles, 11, #722 of 1758 🔗

Absolutely pathetic!

422485 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #723 of 1758 🔗

I didn’t bother counting the number of thumbs up from other members!

422487 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Biggles, 8, #724 of 1758 🔗

When they start knowing more people IRL who died mysteriously after the jab than with Covid-19 then things will get interesting

422491 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #725 of 1758 🔗

That’s assuming if we get to hear about it.

422540 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #726 of 1758 🔗

But then it would be due to underlying health problems both known or unknown.

422495 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Biggles, 11, #727 of 1758 🔗

Government ministers and their advisers have repeatedly and consistently said the vaccinated have to comply with all the coronavirus rules. Why are they not hearing this?

422566 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #728 of 1758 🔗

Because they don’t want to hear it.

422513 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Biggles, 6, #729 of 1758 🔗

My aunt has decided now that she’s had her first one she can go out with her daughter again, its a miracle

423060 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DanClarke, 1, #730 of 1758 🔗

That is one way this thing will erode, I suppose, whatever the government says. “I have had the jab so I’m good to go.”

422516 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biggles, 9, #731 of 1758 🔗

The virus will kill us all.
The vaccine is complete protection.
Restrictions will be lifted.
The cheque is in the post.
No, your bum doesn’t look big.

422537 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biggles, 2, #732 of 1758 🔗

LOL quite!

422617 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Biggles, 3, #733 of 1758 🔗
422666 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Biggles, 3, #734 of 1758 🔗

I see this on my FB too. One which sticks to mind is a friends elderly mother actually got all dressed up to go and have her jab as if it was some sort of special occasion. Then her kids & friends were congratulating her on having it. Crazy.

422676 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to ThomasT, 2, #735 of 1758 🔗

Friend of Mrs FP had her jab the other day and she said how she enjoyed it because it was a day out; she even put some earrings in.

422677 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to ThomasT, 4, #736 of 1758 🔗

Your FB? Do you really believe it is yours ? Honestly, just delete the bloody thing now. Social media is driving the hysteria and delusional psychosis. (That and the BBC and other MSM) MW

422783 ▶▶ mj, replying to Biggles, 2, #737 of 1758 🔗

Shouldnt being “over the moon” be recorded as an adverse effect of the virus on the yellow pages. Seems to be a mental incapacity of some sort

422473 leicestersq, replying to leicestersq, 20, #738 of 1758 🔗

Testing kids twice a week? For what purpose? It cant be to look after the health of children because Covid isnt a threat to children. Infact the opposite, if a child is exposed to covid then they will become immune to it, protecting them for life. My daughter has had covid, but if she hadnt had, I would want her to get it in preference to the vaccine, risks are far lower and protection is far greater with natural immunity.

So what are they trying to do with this stupid testing. Well apart from the grift for those supplying the testing kits, the answer has to be to farm for new cases so we can be kept in lockdown. That appears to be the only reason on the table.

We need to keep pointing out that now everyone vulnerable has been vaccinated, from this point on even by the government’s own figures and estimates, lockdown is killing more people than it is saving. Not that in reality it ever saved any lives, we know from the US that more people die of Covid in lockdown states proportionally than in non-locked down states. Lockdowns kill.

422533 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leicestersq, 6, #739 of 1758 🔗

I am particularly concerned about sticking wands up peoples’ noses. For what purpose? No one should go for that route. If they are that concerned a mouth swab would do just as well.

422590 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to leicestersq, 7, #740 of 1758 🔗

It’s to pacify the teaching unions, nothing else.

422603 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #741 of 1758 🔗

Oh the days when a Conservative government stood up to the unions….

422474 John001, replying to John001, 11, #742 of 1758 🔗

P.S. My letter ‘inviting’ me to be jabbed quotes the usual NHS rubbish IFRs of

Overall almost 1%, probably the 0.9% from the scare mongers in early 2020
10% for over-75s

I may e-mail the Health Board with references for an IFR of nearer 0.2% and probably 0.01% if using vitamin D, etc.

422528 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John001, 2, #743 of 1758 🔗

My letter told me that the risk of serious illness due to coronavirus increases with age and that wherever I choose to go for the jab I will be safe from the virus and that I should have 2 jabs.

422534 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #744 of 1758 🔗

They have officially gone full quack only now then.

422594 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #745 of 1758 🔗

It’s got nothing to do with age really. Many very old people survive a bout of this because they are in good general health. See Japan and their Vit D levels. So age is a bit of a red herring.

Also, rarely mentioned is that sars-cov-2 binds to ACE2 receptors in the body, something which is boosted by all manner of medication common for cardiovascular issues among other things. So over medication in the West may certainly be playing a part. Again this is nothing to do with being old per say but such meds are more common for that age group.

Get the VitD into you. Get out. See your friends. Tell them to do the same. Life breeds life.

422612 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #746 of 1758 🔗

Lack of vitamin D is endemic in care homes as, even before the lockdown, they were permanently locked down. The same is true for long term patients in hospitals. I know from experience that you have to insist that they test for vitamin D deficiency but even then the dose they give is very low. It’s extraordinary- almost as if they don’t want people to get well…

422652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to jos, 3, #747 of 1758 🔗

Why do the Rockerfeller started and owned medical industry want “well” people? No profit in it.

But being permanently on medications that only hold things in abeyance and never cure you and/or being permanently ill with something is a different matter.

422891 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to jos, 1, #748 of 1758 🔗

Lack of vitamin D will also makes osteoporosis worse

422482 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 10, #749 of 1758 🔗

The mail is reporting that Pfizer is a lot less effective for the South Africa variant. There goes the get the vulnerable vaccinated then we can unlock narrative.

422655 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to pvenkman, 1, #750 of 1758 🔗

The Sunday Sport is more accurate than The Mail or The Express

422791 ▶▶ mj, replying to pvenkman, #751 of 1758 🔗

Clearly a racist, colonial and white supremacist vaccine and it should be cancelled immediately

422486 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 21, #752 of 1758 🔗

They have DEFINITELY used Lockdown as a BAIT AND SWITCH.

They are going to push for the vaccine/experimental gene therapy.

ALL doctors who refuse to question the experimental gene therapy are SUSPECT.

That applies to those of the Great Barrington Declaration, also.

THERE ARE FALSE OPPOSITION EVERYWHERE!

Don’t fall for their ruse.

422508 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #753 of 1758 🔗

The new State Of The Art Gene Therapy Units open soon in the UK

422493 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #754 of 1758 🔗

Just focusing on the possibility of getting positive tests to sub-1,000 per day. This would mean reducing positive tests to below a quarter of the current assumed FPR rate of 0.8%.
To do this all FPRs need to be eliminated.
All in hospital transmission needs to be eliminated.
The questions MSM should be asking are:

  • At what Ct value will these tests be conducted at?
  • Will they include nosocomial transmission?
  • What is the current FPR rate?

Make no mistake, this is a zero covid policy!

422812 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to NickR, 1, #755 of 1758 🔗

I have called this year zero because it’s zero covid in all but name. The pandemic as been used to terrify the people with its use of psychological warfare. The stats don’t add up,for example every day we are given deaths what no one is asking what effect is covid having on all cause mortality. Now if we assume only covid is causing mortality to increase we find that it as increased by 10% or 66,000 yet the media tells us its nearly double that. What is happening is the government is deliberately misleading us to believe that strokes,heart disease and other illnesses have magically declined. Or look at the infection rate, the government tells us 1 in 200 is infected not that 99.8% are covid free. The main aim is to terrify us so they can bring in authoritarian government be it vaccine passports or whatever this is Owells 1984 nightmare world. If we look back in history we see in politics left wing and right wing parties flirting with authoritarian government in the 1930s. So if you was on the right it was fascism or Nazism while if you was on the left it was communism. All these ideologies ended up in the dust bin of history but not before they killed hundreds of millions through dehumanization and murder. I hope I am wrong because I don’t want my children growing up in such a dark inhumane world.

422496 suitejb, replying to suitejb, 23, #756 of 1758 🔗

You have to laugh! Rang the vet again about having my 5 month old male kitten neutered. Apparently they are still not doing routine ops and are waiting to see what Boris says on Monday! I really don’t think that he will specifically mention the neutering of cats, or dogs, but the way things are going at the moment nothing would surprise me.

422505 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to suitejb, 6, #757 of 1758 🔗

Boris announces “You can now neuter your cat”

422509 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 3, #758 of 1758 🔗

If its allowed should I buy a cat?

422515 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #759 of 1758 🔗

Presumably in the New Normal Britain, what is not forbidden is compulsory. So you will be required not just to obtain a cat, but to have it neutered.

422576 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #760 of 1758 🔗

Only if you let it be a cat.

422589 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to DanClarke, 7, #761 of 1758 🔗

Bloody Boris needs neutering. Oh, wait….

422600 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Nymeria, 1, #762 of 1758 🔗

Nymeria you beat me to the comment!

422629 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #763 of 1758 🔗

A rig is an entire male horse with no signs of external testicles so appears to be a gelding; but one or two testicles are still present, producing testosterone. A rig behaves like a stallion and, potentially, may be fertile. Their behaviour is unpredictable and they can be dangerous to handle so they should be castrated. Some geldings still show stallion-like behaviour despite being fully castrated; they are called “false rigs”. The only form of treatment in these cases is behavioural therapy.

422631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 1, #764 of 1758 🔗

Trot on, Boris

422637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ suitejb, replying to Nymeria, 2, #765 of 1758 🔗

‘Unpredictable and dangerous to handle’. Sounds like my kitten!

422644 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to suitejb, 2, #766 of 1758 🔗

And one of my cats. He’s a Bengal.

422541 ▶▶ alw, replying to suitejb, 1, #767 of 1758 🔗

Find another vet.

422587 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to suitejb, 1, #768 of 1758 🔗

Yes, change your vet.

422596 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to suitejb, 3, #769 of 1758 🔗

Our vets are operating normally as in delivering care, but no home visits or entering the surgery. Another vet methinks.

422649 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to suitejb, 3, #770 of 1758 🔗

Pets are “not sustainable” in the Agenda 2030 green lifestyle so don’t worry about it, they’ll be finding ways to do away with pets soon hence the testing is available for cats and dogs meme starting.

I did read recently about a feline influenza vaccine that is similar to the mRNA ones and that was tested and 100% of the cats died not soon aferewards in the trial, will try and dig it out.

422656 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #771 of 1758 🔗

I do wonder whether the sheep would be more inclined to modify their brainwashed behaviour, should the next stage of the plan be to come after pets and livestock.

422663 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 2, #772 of 1758 🔗

Should read ‘to come for pets and livestock’

422776 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Nymeria, #773 of 1758 🔗

Well Ferguson knows how to do that already.

422871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #774 of 1758 🔗

He sure does. I remember the sickening fires of burning carcasses near to where I live. Bastard him.

423162 ▶▶ Cat Woman, replying to suitejb, 1, #775 of 1758 🔗

I suspect your 5 month old male kitten will be quite happy to hear that bad mews…

422503 Ambwozere, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #776 of 1758 🔗

Looks like Sweden is going to go the same way as the rest of the world, article talks about closing places where social distancing is difficult so shops, gyms, restaurants etc but museums can be opened.

https://www.thelocal.se/20210217/lockdown-sweden-gets-ready-to-ramp-up-coronavirus-restrictions

422511 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ambwozere, 8, #777 of 1758 🔗

Tom in Scotland mentioned this depressing possibility last night.

It’s strange to me that they seem to respond after the peak threat has passed, and I wonder if it’s a matter of political and diplomatic pressure filtering through slowly to political action.

422522 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Mark, 2, #778 of 1758 🔗

I can’t understand why as the threat is so low now especially in their country so yes I’d imagine the political pressure to conform is pretty immense now

422538 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #779 of 1758 🔗

I’m thinking it’s the effects of past pressure working its way through, because although a lot of the pressure will be continuous (from those who just believe in panic response and state powers generally), the peak political pressure comes, as in this country, when numbers in hospital are rising and lots of people fear that there might be some kind of imminent disaster.

That’s when, in this country for instance, the weak reeds in the resistance to lockdown joined the panickers.

But obviously once numbers turn down, that peak of pressure goes.

So perhaps it’s due to structural issues in Swedish society, politics and governance that determine the manner and pace of response.

422572 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 5, #780 of 1758 🔗

Hopefully they have some regional heads, like in the US, who can push back. If things worked for them in 2020, why change? Halmstad banned masks in schools yesterday

422523 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #781 of 1758 🔗

Though I note that these proposals are to create powers for potential use next time (much nonsense about a “third wave”), not to implement now.

Presumably some Swedes are pointing out the inherent absurdity of introducing supposedly “necessary” emergency measures for next time, immediately after this time has established beyond question that such methods are not required.

422552 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 1, #782 of 1758 🔗

I’ll believe it when I see it…

422611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 1, #783 of 1758 🔗

Which?

422530 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mark, 5, #784 of 1758 🔗

Bill finally found the pictures of Löfven he can use.

422547 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mark, 2, #785 of 1758 🔗

Maybe the politicians there just feel they’re missing out on all the fun.

422548 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 1, #786 of 1758 🔗

I think vaccines have changed the game in Sweden. I am not saying it is correct, but the thinking is that they might as well shut up shop until the vaccine rollout protects the most vulnerable. The problem they have is the same one everyone else has which is when will it be safe enough to come out from behind the sofa. Whatever, nothing changes their strategy last summer being the correct one.

422619 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 2, #787 of 1758 🔗

Yes, that’s all convincing/true.

Much depends on how the vaccine deployers manage opinion longer term, and how successfully. At the moment they seem to be trying to juggle saying people must have it with saying having it doesn’t allow you to change your behaviour.

422869 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mark, 1, #788 of 1758 🔗

I’m not entirely sure what to make of this. I think part of it is simply that policy making in Sweden tends to be very thorough and usually operates in a consensual way, which takes time in a multiparty system where minority governments are common. While I was disturbed to see this last night, I’m trying not to read too much into it because it looks like more of a precautionary thing; the government has not said it plans to use these powers yet.

Part of the problem is that the Swedish government has been attacked by the usual suspects: a rather sensationalistic media (the UK is not alone in this) and some obnoxious busybodies in the ‘public health’ community that want to introduce more neopuritanism (even though Sweden has quite the nanny state now). Although many scientists agreed with what Anders Tegnell was doing, there was a very vocal minority that disagreed, and I suspect that some of them are getting through to the government now. The King’s somewhat alarmist Christmas message didn’t help (time for a republic?) and I’ve been hearing about how afraid some of my elderly and even middle-aged relatives are there for some time. The Rona is a First World problem, in my view.

Remember that Sweden is the land of ‘big government’ and what has surprised me most in all of this is how Sweden was so restrained with its restrictions compared to most other countries – until I remembered how the constitution works and how deeply rooted liberty actually is (they may not be ‘libertarians’, but Swedes do value personal freedom more than you might think).

423594 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom in Scotland, #789 of 1758 🔗

Makes sense.

The Great Panic will provide material for academics to study for generations, and the dynamics of Sweden’s resistance to the worst of it (and slow partial capitulation) will be an enlightening field of study imo.

422578 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ambwozere, 3, #790 of 1758 🔗

The ironic thing is their lockdown Stringency is still less than the UK. And now harder than their scandanavian neighbours. Who had less deaths.

So I think it moves the goalposts but the fundamentals remain solid. Lockdowns do not prevent any deaths, only cause them

422635 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ambwozere, 5, #791 of 1758 🔗

Can’t see the Swedes going along with it tbh
at least – not until they amend their own constitution

422506 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 23, #792 of 1758 🔗

The NHS much be spending a fortune on postage! Today another letter reminding me to book an appointment. I told them over the phone I’m not having it yet they keep persisting in writing. One thing the public sector does do is spend taxpayers money needlessly.

422579 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #793 of 1758 🔗

My local Doctors surgery does this every year with the flu jab. TXT messages, letters in the post, phone calls, emails. I assumed it was because they get sales commission from the pharma companies for each flu jab they give and hence their sales/marketing campaign trying to drum up sales. I guess the covid jab is the same.

422595 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ThomasT, 12, #794 of 1758 🔗

Yes they are being paid about £12 per jab for the Covid and about £10 for the flu jab. Its a nice little sideline, along with certain prescription medicines from the drug companies their bank accounts must be looking quite ‘healthy’ even if their patients aren’t.

422517 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 6, #795 of 1758 🔗

From ATL –

Parents to Test

and

Parents will be asked to test …

Come on, Will. You’re a journalist, not a SAGE nudger. The headline should give the essence of the story, not the msm hoped-for message that it will be compulsory.

422569 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JohnB, 1, #796 of 1758 🔗

not a SAGE nudger

How do ya know?

422703 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #797 of 1758 🔗

Born savvy.

422840 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JohnB, #798 of 1758 🔗

A gut feeling eh? I get one of them about sage too.

422583 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JohnB, 8, #799 of 1758 🔗

I’m actually quite looking forward to seeing how many different things I can test. The world is literally my oyster.

422627 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to JohnB, 5, #800 of 1758 🔗

My understanding is that schools still require parental consent for any medical intervention, which presumably includes testing. Why would pupils be excluded if their parents withhold consent? That would be gratuitous punishment of an innocent child.

422712 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to DJ Dod, 2, #801 of 1758 🔗

The current guidelines for the school/college testing is that consent has to be obtained and it is not mandatory. Just strongly encouraged.

422525 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 15, #802 of 1758 🔗

I have heard from Rosie today and she is OK but she can’t remember her password so this is why she hasn’t commented for ages. I am trying to help her with this so lets see.

422555 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Two-Six, 4, #803 of 1758 🔗

Pass on our regards.

422562 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, 2, #804 of 1758 🔗

Rosie2 !?

422834 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #805 of 1758 🔗

Rosie1, the original.

422628 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 5, #806 of 1758 🔗

Be nice to see the old crew back
Lots of names that dont post anymore

422709 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #807 of 1758 🔗

I think lots of the old crowd are still around just not commenting as much perhaps.

422859 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #808 of 1758 🔗

She could come back as Rosey, with a new password. We’d know it was her because she’d tell us.It would be grand to have her back.

423703 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Two-Six, 1, #809 of 1758 🔗

So glad she is ok. I’ve missed her posts.

422542 BeBopRockSteady, 23, #810 of 1758 🔗

Irish Doctor says vaccines are experimental and unproven. Prescribes HCQ instead which is banned in Ireland. Yes banned. That’s criminal stuff at this stage. He’ll take the government to court

https://richieallen.co.uk/irish-doctor-to-fight-government-over-refusal-to-give-covid-vaccine/

422546 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 25, #811 of 1758 🔗

Is it possible that the fall in the number of vaccinations yesterday is a result of the failure to use vaccination as a means to open up society?

I was coming round to the idea of being vaccinated but if I am still going to have to stay at home, not meet my loved ones, not cease social distancing and mask wearing (not that I ever wear one!) why would I have a novel vaccine for a disease unlikely to kill me?

Seems to me the government has shot itself in the foot by being irredeemably over cautious yet again.

422554 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 25, #812 of 1758 🔗

I think the fact that people who have been vaccinated are now realising it hasn’t changed a damn thing, as they were (mis)lead to believe. There appears to be increasing anger and frustration from non sceptics.

422560 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ganjan21, 19, #813 of 1758 🔗

God I hope so. Struggling to cope today and had a sleepless night

422588 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #814 of 1758 🔗

Stay strong and hopeful fellow NI sceptic. I felt like that a week or so ago and just took a break from all media and here too. Sometimes the screen scroll hole can’t be good for you. Lots of self care and quality time with family helps.

422605 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #815 of 1758 🔗

Take a break, I had a few days away and it did me good. Keep the faith.

422856 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #816 of 1758 🔗

I recommend a hot decaff drink, a leccy blanket and a favourite audiobook. But double whiskey might do just as well, according to taste.

422586 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ganjan21, -3, #817 of 1758 🔗

Who misled them into believing that being vaccinated would mean they would not have to comply with the coronavirus rules? Government ministers and their advisers have repeatedly stated that the vaccinated have to comply with all the coronavirus rules. They could not have been more clear.

422592 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #818 of 1758 🔗

Not necessarily from the government, but the media in general have been implying that the vaccine would be a get out clause for lockdown.

422632 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #819 of 1758 🔗

Why oh why would anyone after all the shitshow of the last 11 months believe a word the media says?

422615 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #820 of 1758 🔗

You are being too forgiving by far. The implication from way back was that vaccination would be a ‘solution’. (‘The Final Solution’?)

422782 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #821 of 1758 🔗

The government did when they first started on the “mass vaccinations” theme.

It’s even on the radio adverts – get your vaccination, get back to normal.

422843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #822 of 1758 🔗

Before that , it was “Let’s get tested and get back to what we love” You know, all the things that have been shut ever since…

422558 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 17, #823 of 1758 🔗

Vaccines plural. Not vaccine. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/

Gate said this doesn’t end until the whole world is vaccinated. Now that means multiple times, yearly. Yeah, you’ll be a walking experiment

422584 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 19, #824 of 1758 🔗

I hope be reading Gates’s Obituary very soon.

422895 ▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Bella Donna, #825 of 1758 🔗

I wouldn’t PISS on his Obituary if someone gave me a printed copy

422609 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #826 of 1758 🔗

There was a time when anyone making pronouncements like this would have been gently led away to a padded cell.

422618 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #827 of 1758 🔗

Concentrate on IRL on what you can see around you
The media and internet are not representative of real life

422614 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #828 of 1758 🔗

The only reason I would have considered vaccination would be to travel internationally now that looks to be off the cards for the foreseeable there is no need.

422568 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 52, #829 of 1758 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission needs to be publicly debunked, even the crooked WHO have admitted that asymptotic transmission is rare and no cases recorded. They claim to follow the science, but that appears to be selective – if we had the media properly investigating the PCR and fasle positives and the practical myth of asymptomatic transmission this whole shit show would fall apart.
Parents need to push back on this invasive testing procedure, including mask wearing. Imagine 18 months ago if you read that a mother had kept her child indoors, deprived them of daylight, exercise or social contact. Shoved probes up their nose and throat twice a week, taught them to fear other humans as vectors of diseas and forced them to wear masks, you would consider it abhorrent child abuse, deserving a prison sentence. So, this is where we are, normalised child abuse, unless parents say no on mass.

422582 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hattie, 15, #830 of 1758 🔗

Munchausen by Proxy on a giant scale isn’t it?

422604 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hattie, 11, #831 of 1758 🔗

Asymptomatic transmission needs to be publicly debunked

Yes, there is the Wuhan trial (10 million residents) that debunked ‘asymptomatic transmission’ but the TRUTH won’t get in the way of the Government when they have an agenda to lock us up forever.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

The Government has been ramping up the concept of asymptomatic transmission with advertisement claiming that 1 in 3 people with Covid have no symptoms.

This is obviously orchestrated to implement stunts like testing school children with tests that are very unreliable. This also helps frighten people more so that any person could be suspected of being the infectious baddie.

The radio advertisement stating the below should be banned by ASA

422653 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Hattie, 9, #832 of 1758 🔗

Where did this idea that children are super spreaders come from? Did it originate from one of those vile government propaganda ads? Was the assumption made by the population that children must be carriers because schools were closed? I don’t get it.
I have been assured by a lot of grandparents that they had the jab so they could see grandchildren. Aaaagh.

422672 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bluemoon, 4, #833 of 1758 🔗

I think (simply) that children are a group to blame who can’t effectively speak up for themselves. It’s not massively different to stopping flights because obviously foreign Covid is riskier.

I reckon if you broke positive tests down by age demographic, it would overwhelmingly be the most vocal group – the 50-70yr olds – that are represented.

It’s always someone else’s fault.

423223 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Hattie, 2, #834 of 1758 🔗

It is child abuse and they need telling.

423499 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bungle, #835 of 1758 🔗

They need to be flogged and then hung by the neck until dead.

422575 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #836 of 1758 🔗

You know how Bozo and his ladylove are so into being Green?. Well here’s an article on how things are going in Texas!

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=53051

422626 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #837 of 1758 🔗

I couldn’t believe what is happening there. This is a state with its own oil and gas industry suffering from power outages?

Something not right there…

422699 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 5, #838 of 1758 🔗

Texas didn’t take kindly to the covid bollox – the power cuts are their punishment.

422640 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #839 of 1758 🔗

Global warming will do that. NOT.

422577 Binra, 7, #840 of 1758 🔗

Test and Trace was an expensive failure

This is a relative view from the perspective of the farmed humans.
From the perspective of crony capitalism – it is a nice little earner, but that is nothing as to the conditioning of the people to a pervasive structure of surveillance and control.
That it could be bought so cheaply!

Unless there is an expansion of perspective in the LDS thinking and reporting, the passive sleepwalk into greater nightmare continues under some sense of righteous indignation that is effectively ‘kettled’ and ignored, or marked out as ‘threat to society’.

So the past tense for T&T is false, because it is active ongoing as the means to control humans at all levels, from thinking to speech, and behaviours to bio-tech.

If the Tech Experiment reveals its true cost and inherent failure, it will be the bottoming out by which an awakening to love as the power of life will be revealed in place of a control-addiction.

“It is imperative that man acknowledge the heart’s higher intelligence, for the mind alone cannot tell him who he is, and genetic intelligence is a lethal weapon when combined with the technological potentials in the world today. By comparison to the mind, the heart is a function of intelligence based on the ultimate in simplicity and synchronicity. Its matrix is a synergistic center of awareness which perceives a unified relationship with all that is.

“The levels of intelligence available to mankind could be summarized as survival, logic, synchronicity, and love. All four are present in the lives of each person, although a man will focus on the one that assists him the most. If he knows little about the heart’s intelligence or the greater intelligence of love, he will emphasize one of the other possibilities. Genetic intelligence is well equipped to sustain physical life and to interact emotionally with the environment. Mental intelligence can formulate reports and engineer rocket ships. Neither, however, is equipped to give meaning to life or to establish a connection with Divinity. Attempts to apply them beyond their means have lead to destructive misconceptions. ~ Love Without End ~ Glenda Green

422585 DeepBlueYonder, 5, #841 of 1758 🔗

Important interview with Professor Anthony Brookes about the problems with ‘mass’ testing:

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1362331181426102274?s=20

422606 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #842 of 1758 🔗

Along with my covid jab invitation letter I was amazed to receive an attachment in 16 languages including Tagalog! Yeh I’ve never heard of that one either, but apparently looking it up its Philappean, you see you learn something every day.

422643 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #843 of 1758 🔗

Yes I got a second one today! I’m sure the huge Nepalese community in Cornwall are thrilled to know the caring NHS has their health and wellbeing at heart!

422610 Sceptic in SA, replying to Sceptic in SA, 20, #844 of 1758 🔗

A fairly random (and probably implausible) idea came to me the other day, based on a few things. Let me try and explain, probably in a very convoluted way

Firstly, one of the initial thrusts of the propaganda was to get celebrities – many of them sportspeople – to rattle out the same platitudes (stay home, mask up, we must do more testing etc). I imagine it was very effective, seeing as many people will for some reason listen to Rory McIlroy or whoever saying this, and believe it.

Stay with me here

Then a second more recent thing was that Wilfried Zaha (a black footballer if you don’t know) said the other day that he is not in favour of taking the knee (“ why must I kneel down for you to show that we matter?”). So he is one of the few people to question BLM (and he’s black so can’t easily be shot down)

I’m getting there

I also then realised that most sports are still going on, albeit without crowds mostly. So really, the impact of lockdown on professional sportspeople is very small. And similarly for sports fans. We can’t go to the events, but most of it is still televised so we can still watch. For a lot of people, sport is one of their main comforts, so as long as they can watch, the lockdown doesn’t annoy them so much. But it sport was taken away, maybe they wouldn’t stand for lockdowns

Last one

Novak Djokovic has recently spoken out to say that tennis players will soon get fed up of the quarantining that they have to do. A very small, covert indication that he’s sick of the lockdown rules (even though he can still earn his prize money)

So my point – what would happen if they (professional sportspeople) took this a step further and said “we aren’t going to play until you stop this lockdown crap. Let fans back in, stop this 14 day isolation stuff and all lockdown shit. Otherwise we are downing tools”? Not only would it be a very visible message that can’t easily be controlled by the media or government, but it would piss off a high percentage of the population who might not be so badly affected by lockdowns and are therefore either compliant or passive.

If say just a few of the top tennis players, or just one Premier League Team, or a few top golfers spoke out and took this action then it might have a big impact. Do something similar to what Zaha and Djokovic did but with knobs on, and get your team mates or rivals to join in

Sadly I think it’s a pipe dream. I doubt that many of them are even sceptics, and even if they are, they stand to lose their income and possibly reputation. But I thought I would share it anyway. Maybe we should be writing to our football team’s chairman or our favourite golfer rather than our MPs. I think I’m going to see what Eddie Pepperel thinks

422638 ▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Sceptic in SA, 13, #845 of 1758 🔗

There is a lot of truth in what you say.

Elite sport is being allowed to carry on because it would collapse without the flow of TV rights cash. The Government knows this and realizes it cannot allow that collapse to happen.

So much else (including hospitality) is expendable.

Locked Down Lives Matter.

422665 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Tiberius, 11, #846 of 1758 🔗

I agree. The reverse (kind of) may also be true. IE that if elite sport stopped, it would impact TV. Moreover, that type of protest may create some sort of public lockdown mutiny by waking up a large proportion of the population (those who are sports fanatics) to the negative impact that lockdowns have on people’s lives, and that lockdowns are not justified

422658 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Sceptic in SA, 8, #847 of 1758 🔗

Look, the lockdowns are NOT ending in the sense that you are unlikely to ever travel again or visit a pub again.

The issue is the vaccines.

They are an experimental gene therapy and those who take them are a research farm for later technologies that will be sold to those who can afford them.

WHO… GIVES… A FUCK ABOUT SOME FOOTBALLER.

WAKE UP!

422679 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to FedupofLies, 14, #848 of 1758 🔗

Whoa. Back off a bit! I’m fully awake.

I don’t really get your point if I’m honest. I completely agree that the “vaccines” are gene therapy. I will never take one under any circumstances.

I don’t think “the issue is the vaccines”. The “issue” in my view is that the entire response to “COVID” is way out of proportion. There has been a series of lies, all of which are designed to keep us in lockdown, give us hope, then put us back in lockdown ad nauseum. The vaccine is just one string to this bow.

“Who gives a fuck about some footballer”. Quite a few people. Several million of the UK population. I admit that my scenario will almost definitely never happen, but my point is that IF the top Premier League Teams, or the 6 nations rugby teams, or the PGA tour or ATP collectively said “We will no longer comply with lockdowns and we’re going on strike” then the governments would have to do something, because a huge number of the public would not stand for it.

422695 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #849 of 1758 🔗

… the lockdowns are NOT ending in the sense that you are unlikely to ever travel again or visit a pub again.

I wouldn’t want to be in a foxhole with you, FuoL

422723 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 4, #850 of 1758 🔗

Lockdown until 1000 cases a day.Its not pessimism but realism.

422867 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Sceptic in SA, 2, #851 of 1758 🔗

We should be so lucky . The vast majority of all sports people are Virtue Signalling cunts

422929 ▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Harry Chara, 1, #852 of 1758 🔗

Yes, that’s the flaw in my plan. Although I have seen that Lee Westwood and Eddie Pepperell have both tweeted in opposition to the govt on this

422620 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 32, #853 of 1758 🔗

I’ve been trying to think of anything positive. I’ve come up with the following:

  1. If the government had opened up properly again in autumn of last year, they might have been considered hero’s, everyone loving them, and it being seen as definitive proof that lockdowns work. That opportunity as now gone. I believe we may now be in a much more high risk/high reward situation when in a year or so’s time from now we either have Nuremburg trials or life isn’t worth living. The general horribleness of the government/BBC is really seeking out now;
  2. Does anyone read the comments underneath articles on the Mail and the Telegraph? They’ve gone from sceptic to outright, proper, genuine anger-filled hostility in the past few weeks. I’d like to know what comments are like on the BBC, though. I can’t bring myself to read it;
  3. They may have shot themselves in the foot with the vaccination by making it clear it doesn’t change anything. Lots of people might have taken a risk with the vaccination if it meant going back to normal, but if it doesn’t do that, then why on earth would anyone under 70 take it?

Thoughts?

422622 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to kenadams, 3, #854 of 1758 🔗

They don’t work for us?

422624 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kenadams, 6, #855 of 1758 🔗

It’s a shit show.

422630 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kenadams, 3, #856 of 1758 🔗

Unfortunately whilst no.1 was the most sensible scenario it’s never been in the script.

422646 ▶▶ Mark, replying to kenadams, 11, #857 of 1758 🔗

I think the regime is trying to decide when to jump so as to escape the rapids between the fear they’ve created and the rebellion against the measures they’ve imposed.

You might be correct that they had a better opportunity to jump last autumn. But the politics are hugely complicated and I’m not sure if that’s correct or not (from the self-interested point of view of politicians, that is – the wider point obviously is that panic and lockdown have been disasters for the nation that never should have been implemented and the sooner they were abandoned the better).

They may have shot themselves in the foot with the vaccination by making it clear it doesn’t change anything . “

Will be interesting if they change the message on this soon. Presumably their fear was that they would get blamed if society opened up again and the vaccines didn’t work to control the disease. Once the coronavirus season ends they can safely change the message if they need to, to push vaccine uptake.

422650 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to kenadams, 12, #858 of 1758 🔗

Agree 100% with your point 3. Expectation was that the jab would mean the return of civil liberties, otherwise there is no absolutely no point.

If there is no very significant reversal of unproven and damaging NPIs, I sincerely believe the sheeple will finally wake up.

422764 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to kenadams, 8, #859 of 1758 🔗

Regarding points 1 and 3, I think it depends to some extent on whether you favour the “cock up” model or the “conspiracy” model. I have always believed the latter, and the longer it goes on the more I believe it.

If we this is all deliberate, the obvious next question is why? I don’t pretend to be an expert, but I have read quite a lot on this over the last year. To me it can logically be explained as follows. This has been put forward by commentators much more intelligent and articulate than me, but here is my version

99% of governments are essentially controlled by the “Deep State” i.e. primarily the central bank(st)ers who create fiat currency, lend it to the govt and thus plunge them further into debt. It doesn’t matter who is in power, they are controlled (with the possible exception of Trump, hence the desire to get rid of him, but I digress).

The end game is for the banksters to gain more power / control, which means removing it from the population at large. Basically the New World Order. So COVID is really a trojan horse used to introduce these measures. The vaccine is just one more element of the smoke screen. It was most likely put out there to raise hope but then dash it again, whilst at the same time making a fortune for big pharma

They are playing the long game in my view. A slow burn towards global totalitarianism. They will keep testing the waters with measure after measure. Three weeks to protect the NHS, another month to flatten the curve. Oh, there’s a second wave. Oh, now a new strain. But there’s a vaccine coming to save us. Oh it isn’t 100% effective etc etc. All the time, seeing how far they can go before there’s too much resistance. which so far, there hasn’t been. but if they feel that they’ve overplayed their hand, they will back off and make it look like they’ve saved us

So on point 1, I think the govt is just following orders. Dealing with COVID sensibly was never part of the plan – I think it was always “how far can we go without creating a mutiny”.

On point 3, the vaccine, I don’t think they ever really gave a shit if it “works”. It was how much the population believed it would. I’m sure there is a plan to deal with what happens next. Repress all news of vaccine adverse reactions / deaths. If we want the vaccine to have “worked”, slow down testing and celebrate that we “beat COVID”. Or conversely, say there is a new strain and we have to stay in lockdown until they have a new vaccine.

Possibly the vaccine is there to euthenise a bunch of the population, or even to introduce digital tracking. But I think it’s more likely a test to see what people will fall for. If they pass that test, they can up the ante in future

422833 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sceptic in SA, #860 of 1758 🔗

About 10 years ago Max Keiser was promoting G.I.A.B.O
Global Insurrection Against Banker Occupation
Pharma and Science are in on the act now as well

422870 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to Crystal Decanter, #861 of 1758 🔗

That’s a new one on me. I’ll look it up. Thanks

422787 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kenadams, 1, #862 of 1758 🔗

The Beed seldom allows comments these days. I wonder why.

422824 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kenadams, #863 of 1758 🔗

Nuremburg is just a collection of letters
The entire system would need overthrowing for that to happen
Collapse = possible
anything else = no chance

422621 COVID-21, 6, #864 of 1758 🔗

Boris Johnson suddenly realises the truth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMLNDCiLbgM

422636 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 24, #865 of 1758 🔗

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422688 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #866 of 1758 🔗

Why do you think that gags are such a huge thing to the BDSM community. They are symbolic of the removal of the submissive’s voice and his or her ability to share an opinion.

422772 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #867 of 1758 🔗

A good BDSM relationship is based on consent.

Kinky people have better mental health and better relationships as they communicate more.
A gag is used as part of a scene, to get into headspace, as it is exciting. It is not primarily used to shut someone up.

422828 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Silke David, #868 of 1758 🔗

No

422701 ▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #869 of 1758 🔗

Masks used as torture devices in Guantanamo concentration camp:

422760 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to COVID-21, #870 of 1758 🔗

No, to stop the inmates spitting at the guards.

422765 ▶▶▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 7, #871 of 1758 🔗

Nope. See the blackout goggles around their necks? They were also made to wear ear defenders, and the mask is to reduce smell. It was part of a sensory deprivation program, along with stress positions.

422639 Julian, 5, #872 of 1758 🔗

Dear Supporter

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Three of our members and co-founders who are experts in mental health are volunteering their time by offering a free online clinic on psychological, mental and emotional health, in a safe and supportive environment.

If you feel you, a family member or a friend would benefit from specialist support, then questions or specific issues can be submitted by email. Our experts will then select a broad range of submissions for the clinic, ensuring that an individual’s identity remains anonymous at all times.

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Simply submit an issue/question to info@timeforrecovery.org by 5pm on Wednesday 24th February.

As many questions/issues as possible will then be dealt with during the live streamed clinic, lasting between 60-90 minutes at 8pm on Thursday 25th February on:

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Please spread the word to anyone who could possibly benefit. For further information on this new weekly initiative please visit http://www.recoveryourspark.org

Thank you

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422647 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #873 of 1758 🔗

Maajid Nawaz has put together a decent Twitter thread on why Lockdowns are bad. There may be some points in there that some haven’t seen/considered before:

FULL THREAD on why #LockdownsKill

Covid is *REAL* but lockdowns kill more equivalent lives than the virus:

Here’s how:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1350903260245323781.html

422797 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nobody2021, #874 of 1758 🔗

Never been a fan of MN but credit where due he has been killing it over the lockdowns

422654 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 7, #875 of 1758 🔗

Apologies if already posted!
Kevin McKernan on the fraudulent nature of peer review, and responses to the Corman-Drosten Review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiaqtuQLWO0&feature=youtu.be

422734 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to SimonCook, #876 of 1758 🔗

Excellent viewing.

If watching keep on to the end, lays into state sponsored science

422657 Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 7, #877 of 1758 🔗

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/multiple-businesses-close-over-covid-fears/

Not going as well as it was in our ‘covid free’ paradise, lol.

Govts arrogance, hubris and authoritarianism will be biting them on the backside for a long time to come unless they wake up to reality soon.

422795 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dame Lynet, #878 of 1758 🔗

Was the IOM govt generally hands off in the olden times??

422669 JSmith, 6, #879 of 1758 🔗

A while back a selection of great quotes was shared here on LS, my favourite being the C.S Lewis one about the tyranny of robber barons vs omnipotent moral busybodies. Anyway, I decided to revisit the full essay this morning, and I’d say it’s really worth a listen.
https://youtu.be/ZxwnHVr192A?t=760
Starts at the quote and from there on he hits the nail on the head several times. It’s framed for Christians but you can well imagine the example he uses can also be applied to sceptics in our current predicament.

422673 TheBoyBailey, replying to TheBoyBailey, 35, #880 of 1758 🔗

Just wanted to post this as its really angered a lot of the family.

My nan sadly passed away this week after growing steadily worse through dementia over the course of the lockdown, probably caused by the lack of social contact from her family as her care home stopped all access

She had her vaccine about 4 weeks ago, then a few days later tested positive for Covid. Over the last three weeks she has exhibited no symptoms. No temperature, no cough or hard to breath. This week she asked for a cup of tea, then when the carer returned she has peacefully passed away, just over 3 weeks from the positive Covid test.

So no symptoms at all, no ill health beyond the dementia, yet the main cause of death has been listed as Covid, with Vascular Dementia as a secondary course. We are beyond angry – she is now a covid statistic even though it is the Lockdown, not covid, that caused her death.

Unfortunately it seems there is very little we can do about it. We all know that Covid wasn’t the cause. Covid patients dont ask for a cup of tea then pass away straight afterwards. The registrar said she didn’t want it investigating as she saw it as an open and shut case …

422710 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TheBoyBailey, 14, #881 of 1758 🔗

Isn’t there something you can do, someone you can complain to? Refuse to register the death or something?

To put down cause of death as covid when it was clearly something else is, in my view, a gross indignity to the deceased, and final insult. Maybe tackle the doctor who signed the death certificate with this? I certainly would.

422717 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to TheBoyBailey, 11, #882 of 1758 🔗

I’m so sorry about what happened to your nan, how upsetting for you all. It’s outrageous that her death should be passed off as due to Covid when it seems clear that it was nothing of the sort. When my mum died (not of Covid) we were offered the opportunity to speak to a doctor if we had any questions. I took up the offer and they duly followed up with a phone call. Worth asking if you can do that. Good luck.

422748 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to TheBoyBailey, 4, #883 of 1758 🔗

So sad for you all, and you poor Nan. I hope you can find some peace soon

Your experience is not acceptable but as a minimum you should formally lodge your complaints. There will be reviews, possible legal, once this debacle ends, and your stories will be an important part of exposing the fraud and harm done to millions.

422775 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TheBoyBailey, 5, #884 of 1758 🔗

I know this is a trying time but if you are up for a bit of a fight in anger you could ask for a correction on the death certificate:

https://www.gov.uk/correcting-a-death-registration

This is the latest guidance from the BMA to doctor’s about what/how to fill in a death certificate.

https://www.bma.org.uk/media/2843/bma-verification-of-death-vod-july-2020.pdf

422786 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheBoyBailey, 6, #885 of 1758 🔗

The people who facilitated this situation need to swing

422919 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheBoyBailey, 2, #886 of 1758 🔗

The World Health Alliance have successfully challenged doctors in Northern Ireland who put Covid-19 on the death certificate. Seek them out. They did it by threatening legal action for malfeasance.

422675 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 48, #887 of 1758 🔗

Sticking swabs up healthy children’s noses, interfering with their education and social development, preventing the elderly from seeing and hugging loved ones, ruining the livelihoods of millions of people, cancelling life-saving treatment for people with cancer, heart conditions and dementia, damaging people’s mental health. Whatever happened to compassion and humanity? The people who govern this country are monsters.

422685 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Liz F, 19, #888 of 1758 🔗

The embodiment of pure evil.

422781 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #889 of 1758 🔗

Devils.
Literally.
Hell is real.

422682 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 34, #890 of 1758 🔗

According to The Times, NHS Test and Trace is planning to send 400,000 lateral flow tests to homes and workplaces across the country every day!

Yet another shocking example of spaffing taxpayers money up the wall – obviously designed to ensure that ‘cases’ i.e. positive tests never get below the magic 1,000 per day.

If I get one it will be going straight in the bin!

422715 ▶▶ Paul Weston, replying to HelzBelz, 18, #891 of 1758 🔗

Assuming a tiny 1% false positive rate on JUST ONE DAYS worth of 400,000 tests would give 4,000 false positives.

How convenient. If 1,000 positives is the highest figure deemed acceptable, then we can never escape lockdown based on the false positives alone.

Most amusing. But I think more and more people are coming to realise this isn’t about a virus or a public health issue at all.

422726 ▶▶ RickH, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #892 of 1758 🔗

£££££££ !!

422739 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #893 of 1758 🔗

At £20 per test that’s £3 billion per year. Some pals of Matt Hancock are going to get a nice slice of that.

422800 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to HelzBelz, #894 of 1758 🔗

I’ll be burning mine in the Garden 🙂

422987 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to HelzBelz, #895 of 1758 🔗

Fill mine with dogshit and send it back

423003 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #896 of 1758 🔗

Ooh I like that better. But what if the dog poo tests +ve..? ;-D

422684 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #897 of 1758 🔗

Another expert on the news just now, with the name of Spector, wouldn’t be surprised if he was related to Phil.

422708 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #898 of 1758 🔗

Shouldn’t they spell it ‘Spectre’? Because all these people are ghouls.

422716 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to jb12, 3, #899 of 1758 🔗

Also a fictional terrorist organisation SPECTRE (an acronym for Sp ecial E xecutive for C ounter-intelligence, T errorism, R evenge and E xtortion)

422777 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to p02099003, 1, #900 of 1758 🔗

AKA the Conservative Party.

422821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 1, #901 of 1758 🔗

And they are the authors of all our pain…

422735 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jb12, #902 of 1758 🔗

Good one.

422687 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 54, #903 of 1758 🔗

Out and about this morning, great laugh with the check out girls at B&M my maskless face was joy to behold,all taking the piss out of lockdown,then over to the local bakery plenty of laughter and skeptic comments customers and staff joining in..It may just be my imagination but a smiling happy face seems to be far more appreciated than before lockdown,maybe the old saying “You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone”does have some meaning..

422741 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #904 of 1758 🔗

Stating the obvious, but people with masks just don’t engage – no eye contact, no facial expressions, and definitely no social chit chat. They turn into Zombies

422753 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Lindy, 8, #905 of 1758 🔗

This is exactly what I deliberately did here in the IoM when we were forced to wear masks recently, I just did what I had to do, ignored other maskers and didn’t engage in the ‘all in it together, let’s get on with it’ charade.

422900 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Lindy, #906 of 1758 🔗

And Zoombies

422992 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #907 of 1758 🔗

And the biggest zombieprat of all is the zombie that wears face knickers on zoom.
Yes, really, some organisations require it.There was a council somewhere in Canada…

422690 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #908 of 1758 🔗

Regional comparison of seasonal change of all cause mortality

I’ve produced a chart of all cause mortality for English regions plus Wales, measured against an average mortality experienced over a recent year (2019 used) to remove seasonality from the base and to normalise the comparison between regions.

I’ve used all cause mortality because that best shows the seasonal increase in mortality across regions, whereas using covid labelled deaths is dependent on how you label things as covid over time.

All cause mortality is coming down across all regions, so seasonal deaths are receding quickly everywhere as they do in most years as Winter ends. Some caution is required for the most recent two weeks as the adjustment for deaths that have occurred but not been registered is subject to uncertainty.

Regionally, the graph seems to make sense with herd immunity being an equilibrium that we cycle in and out of because of seasonality and because of changing immunity levels in the population amongst other factors.

So London for example is hardest hit in the Spring wave, and probably overshoots herd immunity considerably more than any region. And so the winter resurgence (driven by SARS-C0V-2 being the dominant virus) occurs much later than other regions.

And the North West less hit than London in April 2020, has an early Autumn resurgence, overshoots the herd immunity equilibrium threshold then, and so is currently (January/February) less affected in the Winter compared to the Autumn relative to other regions.

My own analysis so subject to potential error

422694 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #909 of 1758 🔗

And if we look at the covid labelled deaths regionally by date of occurrence, the charts show a similar shape to the all cause data. This is what we would expect in a scenario of Winter viral deaths being dominated by SARS-C0V-2, either actually through SARS-C0V-2 dominating the virome, and/or numerically by all respiratory/seasonal deaths being labelled as covid.

Again the last few weeks should be viewed with caution as only a rough adjustment for deaths that have occurred but not been reported has been made.

422724 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #910 of 1758 🔗

You’ve done a good job in mapping this.

My only beef is that you interpret ‘Covid labelled deaths’ as having some solidity as a figure. I think it’s just a random sample following the curve of all-cause mortality – i.e all-cause by any other name.

422744 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, #911 of 1758 🔗

I agree that covid labelled deaths probably have no solidity, but that was what I was saying when I used the word seasonal

This is what we would expect in a scenario of Winter viral deaths being dominated by SARS-C0V-2, either actually through SARS-C0V-2 dominating the virome, and/or numerically by all respiratory/seasonal deaths being labelled as covid.

And that was why I used all cause mortality in the analysis and used covid labelled deaths as a sense check.

Obviously there can be deaths also that aren’t seasonal deaths but are labelled as covid (the heart attack death in the winter is labelled as covid but the heart attack death in the summer isn’t)

422730 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #912 of 1758 🔗

It is important to distinguish between ABSOLUTE and RELATIVE SARS_CoV-2 labelled Winter deaths across regions (current winter resurgence vs Spring 2020 peak).

Absolutely London has been hit the worst in both periods but relatively is arguably the least affected in the Winter resurgence.

The South West was least affected ABSOLUTELY in the Spring and one of the least affected regions in the Winter resurgence absolutely. But RELATIVELY it has been one of the worst hit regions in the Winter resurgence vs Spring 2020

422865 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Freecumbria, #913 of 1758 🔗

Covid labelled deaths??? Completely meaningless.

422698 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #914 of 1758 🔗

And here’s the regional all cause chart with the top and bottom of the chart taken out so the variations can be more easily seen.

422863 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #915 of 1758 🔗

Your seasonal effect (small rise) is clearly seen from about 16 Oct until 25 Dec and then you get the huge temporary spike caused by deaths in care homes from inoculation.

422693 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 48, #916 of 1758 🔗

Schools and testing

This has been covered by a number of posters here today already, but I’m throwing in my penny worth because I’m so angry. I’m lucky, my kids are in their thirties. If I had kids of school age I would be shitting myself with fear. I would try to find any way possible to protect them from this tyranny.

To those in Government: STOP IT, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS INSANE . Do you really hate children so much that you want to crush them completely? Look at the damage you’ve done already. Education destroyed, mental health destroyed, their future stripped away. You are a disgrace and will pay for this. You are as evil as those who wage war and call the shattered bodies of innocents “collateral damage”.

To parents: Refuse to comply with this evil regime. Keep them away from the testing trap. If necessary, keep your kids out of school and take the consequences. Your children are being brainwashed and mentally tortured. Is their education worth having? What have you got to lose? And make sure to keep them away from the coming “jabs”. Their lives depend on you more now than ever before.

422706 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 29, #917 of 1758 🔗

I understand your massive anger. It affects my grandchildren rather than children – but that’s irrelevant.

I’ve refrained from writing to my MP, because it’s a worthless pursuit if used too often (and even less often), but I have done on this issue – restraining my language (incontinent shouting rightly gets ignored more easily), but making it clear by implication that anyone not opposing these measures are complicit in child abuse and in breaches of the agreed international framework governing medical ethics.

It is appalling that Mengele is back from the grave.

422719 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to godowneasy, 32, #918 of 1758 🔗

There is no way of getting “cases” below 1000 per day if they are going to insist on over 8 million children being tested twice a week. That’s a fact.

Aside from that, given the mental health abuse these kids have suffered over the last 9 months, to now load then with the blame for no lockdown exit is totally abhorrent. Whichever civil servant cunt came up with this should be held to account.

Every single individual who professes to be an advocate for children in this country (especially the medical profession and teaching profession) should be hammering on the door to no 10 to have this cancelled immediately.

If they continue with this not only will it ruin the social and educational lives of these kids but it will also generate a massive strain in the future on the education system as a whole. The system as it is is barely able to cope with those children who need extra attention and it’s a guarantee that there will be a hell of a lot more of them at the end of this.

Parents need to put their children first. Doctors, psychologists, charities etc all need to put a stop to this abuse NOW.

422732 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to vargas99, 9, #919 of 1758 🔗

Surely the push back will start , surely !!! Messing with our kids !! How long do we put up with these Bastards ????…

422755 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #920 of 1758 🔗

This should/could be one of those Greta Thunberg “HOW DARE YOU!” moments

422759 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to vargas99, 4, #921 of 1758 🔗

I think the meeting has already been had within the government and the narrative will become:

We tried to get the “cases” to 1000 per day but as you can see from the super scary graphs it is not possible. In order to plot another roadmap out of lockdown we have no other option than to insist on vaccinations for all and with a heavy heart that must include children.

422731 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #922 of 1758 🔗

Totally agree but I think they are trying to set the kids up to face this shit as a normal every day new way of life , we are too wise but the kids are malleable ! It’s a fucking disgrace !! Every day it just gets worse !

422789 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to godowneasy, 1, #923 of 1758 🔗

I does anyone know how to formally refuse consent for the testing for my child? There’s no way they can do it without. Otherwise she’s staying home.

422922 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to TimeIsNow, 4, #924 of 1758 🔗

I think many of the testing companies are now saying in public documents that PCR & LFT (whichever they are offering) should be used in conjunction with the onset of symptoms. The councils seem to be completely ignoring this, as do many of the schools. End of last year, a family acquaintance challenged their child’s school (after an entire year group was forced to isolate for one +ve result) for evidence that a swab test alone is proof of infection, & school significantly rolled down the testing rhetoric after that.

422848 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to godowneasy, 7, #925 of 1758 🔗

Disobedience , in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man s original virtue . It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. O Wilde.

422949 ▶▶ jennybean, replying to godowneasy, 5, #926 of 1758 🔗

Nobody in this house has had any tests but I’m going to refuse testing on my 13 unless she has symptoms. My 10 and 13 year old know the whole thing is nonsense. I always say to them don’t ever think any of this stuff is normal. What scares me is they’ll invent a strain and try and make out it affects kids more. My five year old is autistic and really needs school but I would be scared to death giving them a vaccine that there is no long term data for. I honestly don’t know why people are queuing up for stuff that’s still in clinical trials, it scares me, what if there’s something wrong with it?

423012 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to jennybean, 2, #927 of 1758 🔗

I have already seen reports (I can’t remember where – possibly Israel) about more kids being “infected” with these different strains. “What if there’s something wrong with it” – precisely – don’t be the one to find out first! Best of luck to you – stay strong.

422704 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 17, #928 of 1758 🔗

Definitely a change in the wind as far as the MSM is convcerned. I posted a coment this morning oposition of the hospitaliy industry to vaccine passports, pointing out the the Pfizer vaccine had already been reported as being responsible for nearly 150 “fatal incidents” (I didn’t use the word deaths deliberately), and 60,000 adverse reactions in 30,000 people.

Last week, that comment would never have got past their moderators.

422773 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #929 of 1758 🔗

The censors probably didn’t understand the phrase you used.

422881 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richy_m_99, #930 of 1758 🔗

Ai is still quite dumb.

422721 Jo, replying to Jo, 15, #931 of 1758 🔗

I received an email from the branch secretary of the bellringers today (they are all ultra-bedwetters unfortunately, so I am unlikely to ever ring again.)
I am sorry to pass on the sad news that …….. of Chalfont St Giles died in hospital (partly from Covid) on the 12 th  February aged 95

Partly from Covid? Please.

Saw a woman I know slightly who works at a nursery – she told me 50% of the children attending have been referred for speech therapy.

422770 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo, 7, #932 of 1758 🔗

So without Covid, Bedwetter Bellringer would be only partly dead?

422794 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 1, #933 of 1758 🔗

Spot on, Annie.

422802 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Annie, 4, #934 of 1758 🔗

My ex was dead from the waist down, and I have several friends who are dead from the neck up! Being partially dead happens!

422810 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Jo, 3, #935 of 1758 🔗

Partly from covid! That made me laugh out loud.

Regarding speech therapists – one attends a local school. They wear a mask during sessions. I kid you not!

422846 ▶▶ mj, replying to Jo, 2, #936 of 1758 🔗

maybe covid segments the body. “x died of old age and pneumonia but his arse was riddled with covid”

Also i was chatting with someone who is a early needs trained assistant to a class of 4 year olds. Some are there as key worker children .But a number have been accepted back purely because they have been unteachable zooming from home. At least they are not masked in school

422854 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo, 2, #937 of 1758 🔗

So sad the negative impact on children affecting their development. On a lighter note, it feels as if I could do with speech therapy

422727 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #938 of 1758 🔗

“Tan and colleagues1 showed that cortisol concentrations in patients with COVID-19 were significantly higher than in those without COVID-19. However, disease severity scores (eg, APACHE II, SOFA) of the two groups were not reported. The remarkably high levels of C-reactive protein in the COVID-19 group (median 117·8 mg/L [IQR 58·2–180·4]) compared with the non-COVID-19 group (42·0 mg/L [9·5–123·5]) highlights that the patients with COVID-19 were more severely ill than their counterparts”

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(20)30304-1/fulltext

If it saves one life etc.

From this I would say that no matter what, make sure to work hard on your mental wellbeing. It’s you last safe house when things get hard.

422778 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #939 of 1758 🔗

So if you deliberately enter into a campaign of scaring a good chunk of the population out of their wits as the Government, Government ‘scientists’ and mainstream media have been doing, and through implementing lockdowns you cause significant stress and mental health deterioration in the population, you cause extra deaths not just from suicides.

422738 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #940 of 1758 🔗

Every time I hear “super spreader” I think of Kamala Harris

422820 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Crystal Decanter, #941 of 1758 🔗

I think police.

422849 ▶▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Anti_socialist, #942 of 1758 🔗

I think voters.

422745 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #943 of 1758 🔗

x

422747 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #944 of 1758 🔗

Is anyone else having problems posting today? I have tried several times to post a not particularly long comment but nothing happens. I tried cutting it into 2 short comments but still nothing. I re-started the computer – same result. When I posted ‘test’ it worked. Any ideas? MW

422785 ▶▶ Sceptic in SA, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #945 of 1758 🔗

I had something similar I think. I press post comment and nothing apparently happens. When I press it again I get a message “Duplicate comment”. So i copy my test just in case and refresh the page, and the comment is there. Not sure if that’s the same thing as you got though. PS it happened with this comment too!

422807 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Sceptic in SA, #946 of 1758 🔗

Thanks, but that’s not what happens. There is something in my comment the system doesn’t like but I can’t for the life of me think what it might be. It’s not even one of my slag-off-ATL specials! MW

any links? — maybe stating the bleeding obvious as you have been on here for a long time!!

422850 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #948 of 1758 🔗

Sometimes happens to me – make a copy of your comment, refresh the page then paste and click

422974 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Victoria, #949 of 1758 🔗

Thanks. I have no idea what happened. I tried everything I could think of but eventually posted it as two separate ‘topics’ and slightly changed the wording e.g. substituted ‘another’ for ‘new’ and it worked. I can only assume it was a software glitch rather than some sinister censorship (which I don’t think happens here and anyway there was nothing that LSs would object to in it.) MW

422751 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #950 of 1758 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0218/1197902-vatican-covid-vaccine/

There’s a surprise – Frankie mandates jabs for Vatican employees.

422769 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #951 of 1758 🔗

I share Henry VIII’s opinion of the Bishop of Rome.
But you may confidently expect Dustbin Jellybaby to make jabbery into a sacrament very soon.

422771 ▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #952 of 1758 🔗

Wow, that’s not going to be popular, given the vaccine links to aborted foetuses and the speech Pope John Paul II gave regarding abortion.

423049 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to COVID-21, 3, #953 of 1758 🔗

The current Pope is a fucking DEVIL and a rancid BASTARD as are ALL ANGLICAN PRIESTS!

FUCK THEM! FUCK THE ARCHBISHOP OF CUNTERBURY, TOO!

423146 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ewan Duffy, #954 of 1758 🔗

Luckily most of them are well over 70 😉

422756 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #955 of 1758 🔗

Great article reviewing LFTs in the Lancet – tweeted by Prof Heneghan
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00425-6/fulltext#.YC5vcPbyR20.twitter

“Most people infected with SARS-CoV-2 are contagious for 4–8 days.
Specimens are generally not found to contain culture-positive (potentially contagious) virus beyond day 9 after the onset of symptoms, with most transmission occurring before day 5.This timing fits with the observed patterns of virus transmission (usually 2 days before to 5 days after symptom onset), which led public health agencies to recommend a 10-day isolation period.The short window of transmissibility contrasts with a median 22–33 days of PCR positivity (longer with severe infections and somewhat shorter among asymptomatic individuals).
This suggests that 50–75% of the time an individual is PCR positive, they are likely to be post-infectious.”

422811 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #956 of 1758 🔗

So is this supporting ‘asymptomatic transmission’? MW

423017 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #957 of 1758 🔗

This is by far the biggest story of the day and I’m surprised it hasn’t garnered more attention from people on here.

The Lancet is suggesting that most “cases” as defined by a positive PCR test, were actually post infectious and recovered people. Think about what that means, even the terrorised and brainwashed might begin to see through the lies with this information.

You no doubt recall last Autumn a number of major cities took their turns at being locked down on the basis of high PCR positives. Leicester, Manchester, Liverpool etc.

In every case the PCR “cases” were high but starting to fall by the time government locked them down. What this new information suggests is that in reality the disease had largely swept though those cities already, those high “case” numbers were mainly post infectious and recovered people.

So we didn’t so much shut the stable door after the horse had bolted, we spunked hundreds of billions of pounds on installing a state of the art titanium door after the horse had bolted.

That’s before we even get to the idea of individual liberty and locking down a population once the disease has almost passed through.

This tallies with what happened in those cities after lockdown too. You may recall much pearl clutching and lamenting about the wave of death that would inevitably sweep Leicester that Autumn. Of course when no such thing happened because it was already on the road to recovery, it got silently dropped from the news in favour of the next scare story.

Our >100,000 death toll consists of people who tested positive within the prior 28 days. How many of them had in reality beaten Covid based on this Lancet article? Quite a lot it would seem…

The truth is starting to leak out like shit from a toddler’s nappy at soft play. And it stinks.

422757 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 5, #958 of 1758 🔗

Simon Cook posted this below.

I’m reposting it as I think it is so important to hear a true scientists point of veiw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiaqtuQLWO0&feature=youtu.be

Kevin Mcernan lays into bad science, the insideous nature of big pharma funding and the problems with political control of “The Science”.

If you haven’yt heard of this guy yet, or even if you have, well worth a listen.

Thanks Simon for posting it.

423105 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Jonny S., #959 of 1758 🔗

Thanks Jonny. I sometimes forget what I’ve seen on Twitter or on here, so I wasn’t sure myself if someone else had posted it before I had!

Its serious, sensible impressive people like Kevin and Reiner Fuellmich who are sustaining me through this shitshow.

I don’t know if you have seen the videos with Tamir Turgal, the Israeli Human rights lawyer? but these are really compelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB_51zSSvvE&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RltPmts5EKQ

Best regards

Simon

422758 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 26, #960 of 1758 🔗

For many years we have been members of the Consumers’ Association, best known for publishing Which. The greatest consumer issue I have known in my lifetime is that created by the Government in their reaction to Covid 19. Shopping, where you can do it, has become a miserable chore and there is carnage on the High Street, while most service suppliers are struggling to survive. What has been the reaction from Which? – unquestioning acceptance of all Government measures. The latest issue features a masked zombie on the front cover; enough is enough – subscription cancelled.

422763 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Guirme, 8, #961 of 1758 🔗

Which face knickers, eh?

422830 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Annie, 5, #962 of 1758 🔗

And Which vaccine is best? .. You would assume they would have road tested all of them.

422845 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Guirme, 7, #963 of 1758 🔗

Good!

Have no time for Which. A few years ago they had a witch hunt on nutritionists and then appointed an advisory committee full of medical doctors that has no training in nutrition, only drugs

423500 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Victoria, #964 of 1758 🔗

Some years ago they had an offer of a free “Which Computer” publication. It involved registering for a general Which subscription which, however, you could cancel if you didn’t want it. Something like that, anyway, I may have got the details wrong. It turned out that I had to be quite assertive on the phone to get the cancellation done. And I never got the computer guide. Bastards.

422766 isobar, replying to isobar, 8, #965 of 1758 🔗

Man hands himself in as he’d rather be in jail than spend any longer with people at home during lockdown
http://news.sky.com/story/man-hands-himself-in-as-hed-rather-be-in-jail-than-spend-any-longer-with-people-at-home-during-lockdown-12221682

423029 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 2, #966 of 1758 🔗

Far better than quarantine. In jail you are entitled to exercise periods outside your cell, solitary confinement is strictly limited, and you don’t pay the bill.

422779 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #968 of 1758 🔗

Well the council aren’t anticipating any normality in the near future, though they do seem to think there might actually be an election:

Polling stations – what to expect If you would like to vote at your local polling station on 6 May 2021, please know that we’re putting all the right measures in place to protect voters and staff from any potential spread of COVID-19:

  • You may have to queue as there will be a limit on how many voters will be allowed inside at once
  • You will be encouraged to bring your own pen or pencil
  • Unless you have a medical exemption, face coverings need to be worn inside
  • One-way systems will be in place and appropriate signage and directional signs will be posted in each station
  • Hand sanitiser will be available at entrances and exits
  • Polling booths and equipment will be cleaned regularly throughout the day
  • Desk-top perspex screens will be in place

 We’re also employing additional staff to help voters and they will all be wearing the relevant Personal Protective Equipment.

If you have symptoms or are self-isolating If you have COVID-19 symptoms, have tested positive or have been identified as a contact of someone who has, please do not visit a polling station on 6 May 2021 to vote if you have not completed your required period of self-isolation.
Contact our Elections Team as soon as possible so we can make arrangements for you to vote in the safest way possible.

422798 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #969 of 1758 🔗

Notwithstanding that masks don’t work, and hand sanitisers cause all sorts of problems etc, why on earth would they contemplate such nonsense measures for a seasonal virus which by May will be well into retreat once again.

422835 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #970 of 1758 🔗

It finished last May as a pandemic; now it is endemic.

423372 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Bungle, 1, #971 of 1758 🔗

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377982/

Figure 1 in that article agrees with you.

By May the vast majority in hospital with a positive test weren’t being treated for covid

422983 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #972 of 1758 🔗

It’s a cold (if that) for most people
an extra cold per year OMG how on earth will civilization cope

422822 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #973 of 1758 🔗

unfortunately elections no longer work. politics is like the final scene from the Animal Farm animation where the pigs and the humans now look exactly the same to the rest of the animals.
so unless the ballot paper includes a “none of the above” option i will stay in bed

422879 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to mj, 3, #974 of 1758 🔗

Just spoil your ballot paper.
I will unless there is an anti lockdown party to vote for.

422832 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #975 of 1758 🔗

Tell them no-one needs ‘medical’ exemption and if they ask you twice they are committing a crime under the 1997 Harassment Act.

422876 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #976 of 1758 🔗

I think queues are unlikely. Lowest turn out ever certain and most of those will be postal voting sheep.

422889 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #977 of 1758 🔗

You will be encouraged to bring your own pen or pencil

FFS!

422962 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 2, #978 of 1758 🔗

More reason for me not to take a pen or pencil

423013 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 2, #979 of 1758 🔗

I always take my own pen in anyway to avoid election fraud. Luckily I don’t need to vote this year. Hope the muzzle crap is gone next year. It was old the day before it came in.

423133 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #980 of 1758 🔗

Relevant PPE?? Most likely the old dears will be wearing the worse than pointless face visors like they do round Sainsbury’s

422784 isobar, replying to isobar, 17, #981 of 1758 🔗

Pimlico Plumbers boss Charlie Mullins says ‘most people would crawl NAKED across snow for a vaccine’ as he draws up ‘no jab, no job’ contracts for all new staff to use ‘in two to three months’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9273315/Pimlico-Plumbers-boss-says-people-crawl-snow-NAKED-vaccine.html

Sorry to disappoint him, but best rated readers comment is

‘Why it doesnt stop you getting it or transmitting it, (3750 upticks) (462 downticks)

422790 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 4, #982 of 1758 🔗

Employment law I think states an employee is under no obligation to sign a new contract with changed terms and conditions. If employed for over 2 years it would be seen as constructive dismissal?

Is the word “new” the key, does he know he cannot change existing contracts unless the employee agrees (as per above)?

422862 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Cumbriacracked, #983 of 1758 🔗

If people are willing to accept illegal contract they are willing to abandon the principle of law in their own life.
Regardless that life is founded in and of the laws of cause and effect, balance and exchange.

423121 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #984 of 1758 🔗

Precisely – he admitted as much on talk radio a while back – just virus signalling to get more business from the old and vulnerable at enhanced rates no doubt – look, we have your safety front and centre.
He has to pay for his flashy blue Bentley somehow

423125 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, #985 of 1758 🔗

I meant virtue signalling, but what I wrote may be more apt ☺️

422805 ▶▶ COVID-21, replying to isobar, 12, #986 of 1758 🔗

Life is too short to worry about what this cunt thinks.

422857 ▶▶ Binra, replying to isobar, 1, #987 of 1758 🔗

There’s something in this. As long as its for CHARITY – people will suspend inhibition as if granted freedom to act as the signal of virtue.

Many would crawl naked across the snow for the exhilaration and experience within a social permission slip.

But taking the clickbait away, the device being used to mould opinion and behaviour is a coercion and deceit. The deceiver is nothing new to the human experience. Masking in deceit is nothing new either, but when we have to change masking out in the open, the whole things shows up as Fear running the Control that says it makes you safe from the Fear.

422874 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 2, #988 of 1758 🔗

His views are as plastic as his face (C4 news) last night.

422877 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to isobar, 4, #989 of 1758 🔗

He’s getting a lot of free publicity for his company isn’t he?

422888 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to isobar, 1, #990 of 1758 🔗

We’ll see if he really does it. At the moment he’s getting a not insubstantial amount of TV airtime for free. Cynical perhaps? nah! 🙂

422935 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to isobar, 5, #991 of 1758 🔗

Pimlico Plumbers are a total joke. The most famous employment litigation case involves them. I have no doubt they will be seen in court again off the back of this.

423044 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Poppy, 4, #992 of 1758 🔗

IF we get through this, we’ll make the bastard a fucking pauper. I would LOVE to take away the property of those who were a part of this.

422956 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to isobar, 3, #993 of 1758 🔗

Add him to the list!

422788 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #994 of 1758 🔗

And here he is again:

A third dose of coronavirus vaccine may be needed to prevent serious cases of new variants of the disease, Bill Gates said Tuesday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-variants-third-shot-bill-gates/

422844 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #995 of 1758 🔗

By locking down safely in your own home, you can be permanently fitted and connected to a drip of medication and management.
Inside the Gates of hell is nothing to fear, because fear becomes the Guide and Protector of a new normal by which to be dispossessed and accept happiness as the total vigilance to make you safe! All unconscious bias to love will be immunised against and eradicated.
Together, we can genetically redeem the stock.

In other words, you are supposed to see Gates and co are taking everyone for all that they are willing to give him. Give him your body and its genetic potentials and see if he cant hack your future as the virus at the dark heart of a web of lies given logical and systemic extension.

In the theme of song titles ‘Careful with the axe, Eugene’ (Pink Floyd) – along with ‘Welcome to the Machine’.
However the signpost does not have to be followed, but Gates and co can help you recognise who and what you are not, so as to drop it as meaningful or useful to use or make anything of.
Yes I made a parody – but it is already a parody.
As many are saying; ‘you couldn’t make it up!’
But we did.

423041 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Binra, #996 of 1758 🔗

Don’t bother with Pink Floyd: that moron Roger Waters is totally for the lockdown and praises that stupid cunt AOC.

422886 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Cheezilla, #997 of 1758 🔗

That guy is a complete moron

422799 Binra, 1, #998 of 1758 🔗

I followed the link to Dr Malcolm Kendrick and read in a measured and qualified short piece the ongoing summary – nothing significantly unusual going on in terms of death by all causes.

I responded in a comment noting ‘Much Ado about Nothing – but it became
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/how-deadly-is-fear-given-power.html
as the condensation of :

How deadly is the active and funded belief into which almost all other fears and conflicts are repackaged or subordinated to?

If you can see that the ability to manipulate the worlds, meanings and definitions on which we base our sense of self and world, is very much at the bottom of this then you may be interested in my comment.

422801 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #999 of 1758 🔗

There are days i’m in total admiration of the Covid-19 fraud! To choose the one group you know will meet all expectations, the elderly, a certainty to die at any moment from causes impossible to verify or can be misdiagnosed due to comorbidities (old age), in environments so easily manipulated to increase or decrease death rates.

Collusion on testing methods of a disease that can’t be proved exists & that shares the symptoms of almost all & any other common respiratory disease, every winter, using testing methods that can switch off infection rates (cases) like a tap. Mitigation measures a self-fulfilling prophecy, reducing care capacity, reinforcing Draconian controls.

Its ingenious, with a little embellishment of established science, introducing asymptomatic transmission to induce fear of the invisible, social measures to create fear of fresh air & contact with others, keeping people in the most harmful conditions to prevent natural & free benefits of priming your immune system with low level exposure to pathogens & denying your bodily vitamin D. All slowing down natural herd immunity of any & all seasonal respiratory diseases.

Introducing a treatment (“vaccine”) that doesn’t do quite enough to end any government control but encourages complicity of the public. All driven by an army of non science scientists who among them are communists, anthropologists & career failures infamous for always getting it wrong. Every single one of which as an obligation to the state, has signed the official secrets act, but is allowed to freely leak information to MSM without a single sanction daily.

Then I remember the sheer number of coincidences makes it statistically impossible for them to be coincidence, the blatant misinformation, misdirection, obfuscation, lies & more lies, junk science, propaganda & out right corruption shakes me back to the reality, of what an incredible fraud Covid-19 is. Despite the evidence & the glaring contradictions a fanatical minority of frightened cowards’ boy up a totally fascistic government plot to destroy the fabric of our culture & country!

Through bullying, harassment defamation & criminality they still maintain a minority of infantilized followers willing to swallow this incredible plausibility! If I wrote a novel with this story line, people would say you couldn’t make it up, BUT they did! A brilliant conspiracy, coercing stupid lemmings to jump off the cliff.

422882 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1000 of 1758 🔗

Excellent summation and so dangerously and sadly true.

422941 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, #1001 of 1758 🔗

yes, you have to give the devil his due, don’t you. and right now the victims are looking so depicable and unlikeable that you can practically see his point of view.

423577 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Anti_socialist, #1002 of 1758 🔗

Fantastic summary.Thankyou

422803 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #1003 of 1758 🔗

This is the most profound, forward-thinking piece of writing I have ever read…
It should be prescribed reading for every human being. This is the only route out of this madness. Forget the fight and reconnect, in real life, with each other. Let’s organise a meeting point for 8th March… on humanitarian grounds!

https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/to-reason-with-a-madman/

422817 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1004 of 1758 🔗

Clapham Common 4pm on Monday 8th March – everyone walk around 2m apart… not breaking any law. Just our presence in numbers to make a point?

422819 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1005 of 1758 🔗

1 metre is what Boris and his pals state

422836 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1006 of 1758 🔗

Too awkward for me to get to London during the working week. Will be there on 20th March though, for the protest.

422804 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 8, #1007 of 1758 🔗

Disobedience , in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man s original virtue . It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. Oscar Wilde.


422826 ▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Bungle, 6, #1008 of 1758 🔗

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man” George Bernard Shaw

422839 ▶▶▶ COVID-21, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 7, #1009 of 1758 🔗

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
Henry David Thoreau

422890 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to COVID-21, #1010 of 1758 🔗

Wow, 3 quotes from ‘wokes’ one after the other! Actually I don’t know what a woke is but I’m sure someone will correct me if they think I am wrong.

422806 Silke David, 5, #1011 of 1758 🔗

Hamburg, Germany again doing post mortems. Just sad that the regional TV station cannot agree on the numbers conducted on their news website.
NDR has a general page covering all 4 countries, there it states 735 PM conducted. Go into the Hamburg section, it is only 618. It has been updated since then and they are now mentioning 735.
According to them 99% had underlying health conditions, the most common diabetes, high blood pressure, obese, lung conditions.
93% died of corona related pneumonia or blood clots. Blood thinners are routinely used to in Hamburg as part of treatments.

422808 Marmalade, replying to Marmalade, 8, #1012 of 1758 🔗

We will have to fully return to normal in order to sustain the birth rate, sooner rather than later. Otherwise no births = no future.

You can’t have dating AND face masks + social distancing!

422887 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Marmalade, 2, #1013 of 1758 🔗

As a singleton I totally concur.
Not confident it will happen though, instead the drive for more young people, will be used an argument for even further mass migration.

423032 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Marmalade, 1, #1014 of 1758 🔗

They intend to significantly reduce the population. Those left will be slaves.

422818 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 14, #1015 of 1758 🔗

We have just had a delivery from the local veg-shop, having sacked the ‘dandelions’ from Riverford who treated us like lepers. It was the elderly owner who we very soon talked into losing his stupid face-nappy. He told us that the lock-down has been great for their business. Their turnover was £3k per week before last March, now it’s £3k per day!!

We had a bit of a rant at him. He nodded along but it was clearly water off a duck’s back. He watches TV, listens to the radio, gets regularly fear-porned by his semi-hysterical son. He thinks he had ‘Covid’ in January 2020, along with half this area, including us. Unlike us, he thinks he caught it from the Chinese takeaway owner who had been in Hong Kong!

Despite this, he has had the Pfizer jab because ‘they rang up’. If they had rung up and told him they were going to shoot him in the head would he have gone? And some can’t understand why those people in the 1930s meekly queued-up to get into the cattle trucks!  What the hell will it take to jolt these people out of their trance?

We have now watched/read several independent experts who are convinced that these jabs will result in serious illness for many in 3 – 6 months time. We know several people who have had one of them and nobody seems to have had any noticeable side-effects so far. Assuming these experts are right, the predicted huge increase in serious illness should tie in nicely with Ferguson’s otherwise risible ‘3rd wave’ model and Dr Billy’s announcement that we will all need a 3rd jab because of ‘mutations’.  MW

423030 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #1016 of 1758 🔗

It’s all planned. This March onwards to Summer is the LAST chance to reverse it.

423083 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1017 of 1758 🔗

We need Nuremberg 2 to specifically target all the local GPs school heads etc who willingly enforced the muzzles on children, given both the psychological harm and the boost in lung cancer.
https://science.news/2021-01-15-long-term-mask-use-breeds-microbes-lung-cancer.html

422825 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 14, #1018 of 1758 🔗

Another day, another page from the SPI-B playbook. We’ve been threatened for a while with massive increased testing of the healthy despite even the WHO having moved away from ‘asymptomatic spread’. Maybe BJ and the crew want extra brownie-points from the bosses for being top of the tyrannical class.

Secondary children were an obvious target. You can only hope that they and their parents will take the piss (can we hope?) I note they’re also threatened with all-day face nappies as well. Most will comply, I expect, ensuring a nice increase in sickness false positives and more school/year-group closures. And more trashing of what passes for education. The already noted increase in teenage depression and even suicide will continue to mount but will anyone apart from their friends and families notice or even care? MW

422837 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #1019 of 1758 🔗

The Science indicates that a noose can improve the effectiveness of a face covering by over 90%.

422829 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #1020 of 1758 🔗

I managed to post it this time. For some reason, the LS system didn’t like ‘New day’. When I changed the wording to ‘another’, the post was accepted. Weird! MW

422842 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 11, #1021 of 1758 🔗

Story from the AP:
https://hosted.ap.org/thetimes-tribune/article/7a8e8908a0d68da784d1335b3bd6ead8/crippling-weather-hampers-vaccine-deliveries-distribution
Having vaccine centers take snow days is just going to back things up more than they already are,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “The virus doesn’t take snow days.”

Adalja said people in charge of vaccination efforts must find ways to be more resilient to weather, “just like mailmen can deliver the mail through sleet or snow.” He suggested clinics use better contingency plans. The goal, he said, must be “a continuous assembly line of vaccines going into people’s arms.”
The last line kills me. We are not considered human beings anymore. I notice this wording of “vaccines into arms” everywhere. The intent, I think, is to obscure the fact that the vaccine will go into and affect your whole body.

422868 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to ColoradoGirl, 4, #1022 of 1758 🔗

So they want old frail vulnerable people to go out in bad weather where a fall will likely end up in a hospital visit?

422928 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to pvenkman, 1, #1023 of 1758 🔗

of course they do! another death,[once the National Horror Service gets its hands on them] another fake covid stat, another useless eater removed from the planet, what’s not to like?

422892 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #1024 of 1758 🔗

no snow days for the agenda. not surprised, as it is John Hopkins.

422896 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to ColoradoGirl, 8, #1025 of 1758 🔗

Isn’t it curious how the current zeitgeist is simply, “Vax Uber alles?”

I don’t think there’s ever been such a monomaniacal focus on on anything, ever.

423139 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to awildgoose, #1026 of 1758 🔗

And reading my local paper, you’d think there’s not one person in the world against it.

423016 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ColoradoGirl, 1, #1027 of 1758 🔗

Surely closing the centres for snow days are perfectly reasonable because the frail and the vulnerable will mostly have more sense than to venture out in weather that’s essentially dangerous for them and the centres will have no customers.
Frontline admin would know that.
You can see why Pantsdown didn’t think to add seasonality to his dodgy model.

On the other hand, you can’t educate pork: Fran Goldman, 90, of Seattle, told The Seattle Times she walked 6 miles (9.7 kilometers) round trip in the snow to get her vaccine.

422852 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #1028 of 1758 🔗

The Mark of the Beast is here – Israel is to bar unvaccinated people from certain jobs and those who forge vaccination certificates will face jail time. https://www.rt.om/news/515939-israel-covid19-certificates-vaccination-green/

422866 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Londo Mollari, 12, #1029 of 1758 🔗

A horrible little nation. Maybe Biden will throw them to the wolves, they deserve it..

422884 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to nottingham69, 4, #1030 of 1758 🔗

I imagine Biden’s controllers want to copy Israel.

422893 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to pvenkman, #1031 of 1758 🔗

Hard to say.

There are rumors Biden has yet to call Bibi, which, if true, is rather unusual for incoming Presidents regardless of party affiliation.

422915 ▶▶▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1032 of 1758 🔗

Kamala Harris is doing all the foreign leader calls apparently!
https://nypost.com/2021/02/16/kamala-harris-takes-foreign-calls-on-behalf-of-biden/

422960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to pvenkman, #1033 of 1758 🔗

Looks like Rev 17:5 is ramping up her 25th Amendment play.

Shame, if she could wait until 2 years and one day of Basement Joe, the controllers could legally keep her in the White House for 10 years.

423034 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to pvenkman, #1034 of 1758 🔗

Biden may not know the precise function of his own limbs, let alone who Netanyahu is…

423078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Waldorf, #1035 of 1758 🔗

Biden hasn’t even called any of the state governors either, indicating the cabal don’t need him any more and are allowing him to lapse into senescence.

422930 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1036 of 1758 🔗

Jill probably said at breakfast “Don’t forget Bibi” at which point he tucked his bib under his chin before reaching for the marmalade on toast.

423234 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to pvenkman, #1037 of 1758 🔗

Biden’s controllers are the genocidal CCP and Iran so that seems unlikely.

422911 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1038 of 1758 🔗

You’ll be lucky . Biden answers to IsraHell

423239 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Harry Chara, #1039 of 1758 🔗

Insane anti-Semitism , Joe Xiden answers to CCP and Iran.

423231 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to nottingham69, #1040 of 1758 🔗

Peter Hitchens: In my old-left-wing days, we used to say that anti-Semitism was the ‘socialism of fools’. You can see why. It is an ideology of resentment, a belief in a class or group which exploits the masses and which has to be violently dispossessed. So is Bolshevism. makes sense.

422925 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #1041 of 1758 🔗

strange, isn’t it…God’s chosen people, and they are in the front lines for Armageddon

423241 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to JaneHarry, #1042 of 1758 🔗

Anti-Semitism certainly is strange.

422853 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 24, #1043 of 1758 🔗

The bastards have totally lost the plot. They think tinkering around the edges of public health bureaucracy is more important than restoring Democracy and a millennium’s worth of hard won personal freedoms. If that’s not important enough for an uprising of the people, then screw the people

422921 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #1044 of 1758 🔗

there is a kind of justice in it, after all – supine cowardice and a cluelessness of the things that really matter deserve nothing less than to be utterly crushed and annihilated. but they will take their children down with them, who didn’t deserve that.

422855 isobar, replying to isobar, 31, #1045 of 1758 🔗

Sadiq Khan wants a LONGER lockdown: Mayor of London demands Boris Johnson reject calls from Tory MPs for swift easing of national rules – despite experts saying PM can move faster and infection rates halving every two weeks
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9274277/Sadiq-Khan-urges-PM-stick-cautious-approach-easing-lockdown.html

Bastard!!!

422860 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to isobar, 4, #1046 of 1758 🔗

Election coming UP, don’t waste your vote……..on Brian Rose……. Who’s the other candidates?

422864 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1047 of 1758 🔗

Good question!

422883 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to isobar, 16, #1048 of 1758 🔗

David Kurten (Heritage) is the one to vote for if you’re anti lockdown. He has been rock solid from the start

422894 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, #1049 of 1758 🔗

Thanks!

422905 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Julian, 2, #1050 of 1758 🔗

He seems like a good man

422898 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1051 of 1758 🔗

He wears sharp suits though….he looks like an fluffer in a gay bangbang.

422916 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to isobar, 2, #1052 of 1758 🔗

String the PAK up !!

422878 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 3, #1053 of 1758 🔗

It appears the front line is your doorstep.I’m ready with my defences. I recall the English at Agincourt watching for a number hours the French Nobility before the first move.Most enthralled and frozen by the mass of Knights and men at arms.But they prevailed through malice and dagger.Are we there yet!!@?

422997 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Teddy Edward, 2, #1054 of 1758 🔗

And the longbow.

423212 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Waldorf, #1055 of 1758 🔗

Ranulph Fiennes’s ancestors were on both sides!

422880 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1056 of 1758 🔗

Meanwhile in Northern Ireland we are a sorry mess

422926 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1057 of 1758 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56101041

And they have indeed done it. No longer a recommendation, but a reality.

Krankie will no doubt follow, then Bojo will follow her.

422931 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1058 of 1758 🔗

Complete bastards, I am writing to my MP now, not that it will be of much use.

423115 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ganjan21, #1059 of 1758 🔗

I said yesterday but hope people do not mind me repeating it, as well as your own MP make sure you write to Graham Brady, Charles Walker and Mark Harper.

422885 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1060 of 1758 🔗

PandaCast | A Conversation with Knut Wittkowski

Dr Knut Wittkowski is a German epidemiologist and former Head of Biostatics, Epidemiology and Research Design at Rockefeller University. Nick Hudson hosts an illuminating conversation about immunity, escape mutations and vaccines with a pragmatic scientist. PANDA: http://www.pandata.org

422899 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Anti_socialist, #1061 of 1758 🔗

Thanks, Nick’s work is excellent, I’ll watch that later.

422912 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #1062 of 1758 🔗

This is a must-watch! For those that don’t know Dr Knut Wittkowski is of course is one of the first professional lockdown sceptics.

What he’s basically saying here is enough to clap Boris in chains, lockdown not only slowed Covid-19 infection down effectively making it worse but is literally creating a more virile number of mutations, that may never have existed without mitigation measures. Lockdown is the cause of mutation!

We all knew that right, but he’s demonstrating it with scientific hypothesis.

The technocrats must be held accountable!

423004 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1063 of 1758 🔗

THAT is EXACTLY what he and Sunetra Gupta said AT THE BEGINNING, before the Great Barrington Declaration was even signed.

Nevermind whether there is truth in the coming technohorror about social cloud hookup and so on, THIS alone so far is a BIOTERROR CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!

CUNTS!

422975 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1064 of 1758 🔗

One of the best interviews I’ve seen for months with a new perspective on vaccines & zero covid.

When asked his opinion on zero covid his reply, ‘ once you have herd immunity, you have zero covid’.

Also, a fascinating alternative to vaccines, its best watched to understand the science involved.

422901 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 10, #1065 of 1758 🔗

I notice a hospital is looking for volunteers who are healthy in the 18-30 age bracket, who are to be given a small amount of the Black Death in order to study its effects.
I don’t quite know what to make of this. It can be considered yet more evidence that the dread contagion is not dangerous to the young. On the other hand volunteers are being offered over 4,000 quid, which sounds like danger money.

422909 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Waldorf, 5, #1066 of 1758 🔗

I wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole. not that I’m scared of covid, which I don’t even believe exists, but I wouldn’t trust THEM- even if the volunteers are not their target, you would be unwittingly assisting them in some diabolical plan

422927 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #1067 of 1758 🔗

Good point. How will researchers know that they’re giving them sars covi 2? It can’t be cultured right? I guess they’ll be getting whatever respiratory virus a sick person with a positive pcr has. Nothing could go wrong with that then. The size of the payment suggests a long residential stay.

422938 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Waldorf, 4, #1068 of 1758 🔗

How the hell do these people get ethical approval for things like this? I have to complete a 20-page form simply to interview a lying politician. Can’t be allowed to cause unnecessary ‘harm’ to the bastard, right? FFS!

422988 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #1069 of 1758 🔗

I was wondering about that aspect, especially because of the propaganda over the last year and still visible on every street corner. Then you offer four grand to someone to try out a little of the elixir of death. Something is wrong with this picture…

422977 ▶▶ suitejb, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1070 of 1758 🔗

I think £4000 might be standard for medical tests. I know a couple of people who have taken part in various trials (not recently) and this figure sounds familiar.

422998 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1071 of 1758 🔗

Ask those whose children are damaged from the Swine Flu vaccine how far THAT would go in compensation.

423028 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1072 of 1758 🔗

It isn’t a lot for risking your health and possibly your life.

423067 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1073 of 1758 🔗

Unless of course they are well aware there is no actual f****** risk!

422904 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1074 of 1758 🔗

its a depressing sight to visit the local garden centre, to wander around the plants in the sun and fresh air, and see everyone muzzled up, even the kids. Unless it becomes voluntary in any sort of outlet they won’t see me again.

422908 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1075 of 1758 🔗

I’ve just come back from our local one and had the same experience. At least two of the children were well under 11 and looking very bemused. At least no one jumped away from me!

422943 ▶▶ mj, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1076 of 1758 🔗

just been to a log seller . Open sheds full of wood. web site says wear a mask . parked up. lady says mask.. i say we are outdoors. also exempt. She was masked . anyway chatted picked some bags of logs . exchanged cash at arms length. . all a bit over the top

422994 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to mj, 2, #1077 of 1758 🔗

Get your own fucking wood ready, or burn furniture, that cunt doesn’t deserve the business. Fuck her!

423222 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1078 of 1758 🔗

I cannot bear to see kids muzzled, if adults want to do it then have at it, it’s their decision no matter what I think, (I have never worn a mask and will not), but children, what the ever loving fuck!

422910 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 19, #1079 of 1758 🔗

Anyone else noticed that the new ‘symptoms’ being suggested as Covid are the most common side effects of the vaccine.

Get the vax > get a headache > get a test > you have covid > die > you died of covid.

And round and round and round it goes.

422924 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1080 of 1758 🔗

While quite. LS need to focus on this. Can you test positive for Covid if you’ve had the vaccine (Pfizer in particular I think) but are not infected with the virus? Yes or no. I think Dr John Lees suggested it was possible.

422972 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to OKUK, 6, #1081 of 1758 🔗

Let’s face it, you can test ‘positive’ for covid if you are a lump of rock just brought to Earth from Mars!

422918 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 4, #1082 of 1758 🔗

Today’s AIER podcast seems important to me. Incredible, no doubt posted earlier.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/american-institute-for-economic-research/id1475285499?i=1000509665127

422920 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1083 of 1758 🔗

Precis for those of us in a rush?

422932 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to OKUK, 8, #1084 of 1758 🔗

Linking decision in America to eject elderly from hospital directly to Gate’s research group. AIER are too serious for this not to be well researched. Only four mins.

422964 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TimeIsNow, 7, #1085 of 1758 🔗

The write up is here: https://www.aier.org/article/anatomy-of-the-nursing-home-death-warrants/

The common thread seen in the United States is the delegation of state policy to prediction modeling forecasts from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), a Washington State-based institution that is wholly controlled and funded (to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars) by The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

In March and early April, politicians were informed by the modeling “experts” at Gates-funded IHME that their hospitals were about to be completely overrun by coronavirus patients. Modelers from IHME claimed this massive surge would cause hospitals to run out of lifesaving equipment in a matter of days , not weeks or months. Time was of the essence, and now was the time for rapid decision making, the modelers claimed.

On two separate April 1 and April 2 press conferences, Cuomo made clear that his policy decisions were based off of the IHME model.
“There is a group that is funded by the Gates Foundation. Thank you very much Bill Gates,” Cuomo said on April 1 in discussing ICU needs and how he was using Gates models to make other healthcare policy decisions.

“There’s only one model that we look at that has the number of projected deaths which is the IHME model which is funded by the Gates Foundation,” Cuomo said on April 2, adding, “and we thank the Gates Foundation for the national service that they’ve done.”

423031 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1086 of 1758 🔗

And the Gates foundation bankrolls Ferguson’s mob at Imperial. Same result.

423165 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Jo Starlin, #1087 of 1758 🔗

This is the actual document that was put out by the NY Department of Health after advice from the IHME.

Note the underlined section regarding the rights of homes to decline patients (or lack of rights).

Source: https://dossier.substack.com/p/how-the-gates-foundation-seeded-americas

423025 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to TimeIsNow, #1088 of 1758 🔗

This has to be spread everywhere.

423097 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #1089 of 1758 🔗

NIMH it’s called I think. As pressure on Cuomo increases he’ll only have one option but to pass the buck. A chink of light.

There is also this. The Wuhan lab leak won’t go away

https://researchgate.net/publication/349302406_Studie_zum_Ursprung_der_Coronavirus-Pandemie

422934 leggy, replying to leggy, 24, #1090 of 1758 🔗

Few observations from a trip into town today.

Firstly, car is due it’s MOT tomorrow (I know that there will be no nonsense there) so I thought I’d treat it to a car wash. Normally you’d get a guy give you a pre-wash pressure wash and brush but that’s now not allowed “due covid”. Still, at least they still take cash and no mask nonsense.

Next off to get a new tyre – local independent, completely normal. Could’ve been 2019. When I paid I asked if he wanted card or cash and he said card because many more people had been paying in cash and he had too much!

Hundred of people out and about enjoying the sunshine, going about their business. Only saw a handful wearing masks, exclusively the terrified elderly or virtue signalling youngsters. Even got stuck in a mini-traffic jam! The wheels are definitely coming off this lockdown, come the spring and decent warm weather it’ll be up blocks like a covid marshal’s car.

In other news, reading through Mail Online over lunch comments massively in favour of sceptical views. I think we’re winning.

422937 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to leggy, 2, #1091 of 1758 🔗

Hopefully.

423006 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1092 of 1758 🔗

Hopefully but I’m disappointed how many people have believed the psy-ops, especially well-educated ones.

If anyone still dares use the words ‘stay safe’ I respond ‘stay sane’.

422973 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to leggy, 2, #1093 of 1758 🔗

MailOnLine comments are hard to fathom. Sometimes I get hopeful but sometimes not. For instance, last summer, the suggestion to stop working from home were always met by howls of protest. I would guess that many want lockdown to continue indefinitely purely because they do not want to resume their normal working regimes rather than any genuine fear of Covid. I personally know several people with this view.

422936 Sarigan (Day 333 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 333 of lockdown), 4, #1094 of 1758 🔗
422939 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sarigan (Day 333 of lockdown), 2, #1095 of 1758 🔗

A must watch – the impact of school closures on children

Closed schools = child abuse

422989 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Sarigan (Day 333 of lockdown), 2, #1096 of 1758 🔗

Well, if they take the vaccines they will either die or become seriously damaged with lifelong issues. Then the real fun starts with the nanotechnologies.

422942 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 37, #1097 of 1758 🔗

I despair of this country. Lockdowns, masks, vaccines, health passports, Covid Marshals, testing, Track & Trace and all the nasty, self centred, hysterical, narcissistic, hypochondriacs and sheeple promoting it, supporting it and shouting for more. I don’t know what’s worse, that the conspiracy theorists are right or that this utter immoral insane dystopian world can occur naturally.

422945 ▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Andrea Salford, 14, #1098 of 1758 🔗

Ditto. I’m really starting to tire of the nasty, shitty attitudes of the natives too.
Look at the comments on this article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9273895/Hotel-quarantine-guest-gives-thumbs-room-window.html#comments

For fuck’s sake.

422950 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to COVID-21, 2, #1099 of 1758 🔗

Just read that one too, a lot of the comments do seem to be from paid bots, all with the same rhetoric

422953 ▶▶▶▶ COVID-21, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1100 of 1758 🔗

I hope it’s bots, I really do.

422958 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to COVID-21, 6, #1101 of 1758 🔗

In fact the whole damn article could be ‘bots’ – fake escape staged for DM to ‘report’ with loads of bot comments ready to go? Stranger things and all that.
Psyops propaganda.

422954 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1102 of 1758 🔗

Yeah. No way the comments are real. Most articles on the DM tend to have comments slamming the regime, not supporting it.

422951 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to COVID-21, 1, #1103 of 1758 🔗

That’s the article I just read that prompted my rant (posted same comment there but doubt it will get past the moderators).
On the majority of yesterday’s DM articles I observed that the comments were overwhelmingly sceptical so maybe it’s just a blip on that article…..or 77th?

423278 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to COVID-21, #1104 of 1758 🔗

never mind, you can take comfort in the knowledge that they are all going to die soon, and see all their loved ones die (leaving aside the fact for the moment that so are we) – but it brings back the point that there is some ‘rough justice’ in what is about to unfold

422947 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #1105 of 1758 🔗

The pub bosses have stormed out of a meeting with ministers. I’m surprised they closed down the 2nd time after spending thousands making places ‘safe’. The comments on the DM are a disgrace from the government bots.

422982 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1106 of 1758 🔗

The comments on the Quarantine Hotels do seem out of whack with comments on other articles. For example the comments on the pub bosses walking out of their meeting article in the Mailonline are overwhelmingly hostile to the concept of vaccines and vaccine passports etc

‘Angry pub bosses ‘STORM OUT of meeting with ministers’ over reopening plans as vaccine passports deemed ‘unworkable’ with drinkers in their 20s unable to get jabs until later this year’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9273521/Vaccine-passports-branded-unworkable-help-save-struggling-pubs-clubs.html

423100 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 10, #1107 of 1758 🔗

What really annoys me is it is not about pubs saying lockdown needs to go, it is the acceptance without any fuss about vaccine passports, the complaint is it won’t work because the over 20’s will not be vaccinated until the end of the year. When is any business actually going to come out and say no vaccine passports, return to normal. If someone wants to go into a pub they can to eat or drink, inside or out with no social distancing, no muzzles and no passport to say they can.

423198 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1108 of 1758 🔗

When is any business actually going to come out and say no to vaccine passports as they are immoral?!

423259 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1109 of 1758 🔗

It’s almost like vaccine passports are a given and they are arguing about practicalities.
The comments are excellent though.

422985 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1110 of 1758 🔗

They have only one option then, don’t they? The one that was always there. It is still not too late but they really need to do it now, not just leave it to the occasional brave cafe owner, hairdresser or gym owner.

Dave Cullen (‘Computing Forever’) often says that if you give in to bullies they will just demand more from you. It has never been truer than now. MW

423188 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1111 of 1758 🔗

Well I sent tehri trade body teh FOI about social distancinga nd guidelines being non-enforceable and do not ahve to be followed and are non-enforceable but unsurprisingly no acknowledgement (nor from Wetherspoons) so it’s their own fault for not standing up sooner.

All the ammo they need is in the public domain.

422955 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1112 of 1758 🔗

It appears most of the human race are just fine existing as two-legged livestock.

Maybe the Georgia Guidestones do have the right idea.

422984 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to awildgoose, 9, #1113 of 1758 🔗

Don’t think so: look at the protests in Austria and Italy. Plus, German protests though Sucharit Bhakdi seemed depressed at the German situation.

Britain has always been a bunch of smug losers who think they are still a major power and somehow better than any other country. This was true at a certain time: Britain’s contribution to civilisation was incomparable. But now it’s a dump. Pathetic Brits couldn’t even look each other in the eye before lockdown. Bunch of nervous nelly wanbots.

423011 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1114 of 1758 🔗

Fedup-

I pray you are correct.

It’s all jellyfish and pod people in my part of the US.

My personal work situation also has me a bit despondent.

423302 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1115 of 1758 🔗

I thought the situation was much better in the United States. That over half the country thought it was all nonsense. I always thought the United States was the only hope, ironically given Fauci and Gates et al are from there.

423333 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1116 of 1758 🔗

Could this be karma for all the acquisitiveness, industry and technology we exported to the world and they took it on and sold it back to us better and cheaper. Plus this mythic Blitz spirit, as Britain won the war despite the best efforts of the bureaucrats, defeatists,profiteers,and bigots and blackmarketeering, …Bless!,

422959 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Andrea Salford, 6, #1117 of 1758 🔗

I don’t give a shit anymore, any friends or family promoting or agreeing to this soul destroying mess will be told where to go.

422986 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ganjan21, #1118 of 1758 🔗

You should try to persuade them first. Have you done so?

423073 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1119 of 1758 🔗

And just to put the bloody tin hat on it all, you’ve got RLB for an MP.

423338 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1120 of 1758 🔗

Yes indeed. Life’s a bitch and so is she. Needless to say I didn’t vote for her.

422948 Julian, replying to Julian, 24, #1121 of 1758 🔗

Lovely afternoon round my way

Been for a walk around the common – people everywhere, young and old, families and groups, friends, bikes, kids in the playground. All pretty normal looking, no swerving, only masks I saw were on police

There’s an appetite for life – just need to harness it

422961 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Julian, 5, #1122 of 1758 🔗

Sun out and blue skies here too. On my lunchtime walk only had one Covidian – spotted her two hundred yards off and could just tell. Left her plenty of room on the pavement when she passed but she crab-walked and cringed into someone’s driveway as she passed me. Other than that fine.

422965 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Julian, 10, #1123 of 1758 🔗

I agree. That is why the issue is turning to VACCINES. THAT is the point.

They have ALL BEHAVIOUR monitored and PLANNED.

Question is: are we anti-lockdown OR anti being held hostage to experimental gene therapy ?

Lockdowns are the VESSEL, Big Pharma Therapies are the RAISON D’ETRE.

422990 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #1124 of 1758 🔗

I think in general here we are anti both of those things, for many reasons, not the least of which is that the vaccine will probably enable governments to get away with this absurd, evil nonsense without having been held to account or found

I’m sure the Pharma companies are happy, but I don’t think governments are motivated primarily by that, though I am sure it is a factor. I think the main thing is that governing by fear gives you immense, easy power and not much accountability, and the chance to look like a saviour – what average politician would not want those things, having seen the genie come out of the bottle?

423131 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1125 of 1758 🔗

definitely anti vaccine here

422957 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1126 of 1758 🔗

Watch video on link

Once more, let’s hear from the experts all the reasons why masks don’t work :

https://twitter.com/top1percentile/status/1357721215637544962

422969 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 3, #1127 of 1758 🔗

And why we don’t need a vaccine for the whole world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg

423066 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 4, #1128 of 1758 🔗

And let’s hear it again from Professors Wittery and Thingy who explained to us last May why a vaccine just isn’t necessary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

422963 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 10, #1129 of 1758 🔗

latest data shows that current death rates and hospitalisations are far lower than was projected by the Government’s scientific advisers.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

423076 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1130 of 1758 🔗

Quelle surprise.

423094 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to leggy, 1, #1131 of 1758 🔗

Time for another new killer variant.

423099 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1132 of 1758 🔗

And right on cue there is one from (drum roll) FINLAND…

423210 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1133 of 1758 🔗

Don’t tell me, one of the symptoms is a red nose?

423538 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Waldorf, #1134 of 1758 🔗

NASA will probably bring back something from Mars that should fit the bill.

422966 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 19, #1135 of 1758 🔗

DT: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/18/fall-covid-19-deaths-greatest-among-vaccinated-unlike-first/

“Deaths in over-80s plummet as data suggests vaccines are working”

Or, as it’s more commonly known in this country… Winter is almost over.

422978 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1136 of 1758 🔗

There is that.

422980 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1137 of 1758 🔗

Or, as it’s more commonly known in this country… Winter is almost over.

Exactly!

423074 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1138 of 1758 🔗

I expect all of the death’s door vulnerable ones have been bumped off by jabs already.

422968 Silke David, 15, #1139 of 1758 🔗

A paramedic in Germany described the treatment -or not- he received from his GP and other GPs for seeking help after developing severe “side effects”, namely paralysis of the side of body where he was vaccinated with AZ.
GPs refused to see him. His employer very helpful, arranged for him to be examined in University clinic, which he cannot fault at all, they prodded and tested him for 10 hours and it is ongoing.
All he needed was a GP’s letter and authorisation for taxi fare to hospital. Apparently he finally managed to get into the building, just to be insulted by receptionist and doctor. Doctor mentioned his name and reason for visit on the street around waiting patients.
Comments under his YT channel are vile, a lot of people are like, serves you right for taking vaccine.
I recommended to forward his story to Corona ausschuss.
Luckily he is slowly getting better and will complain to authorities about GPs.
After first examination they are unsure if the vaccine triggered an underlying central nervous system illness or it is an acute inflammation as result of vaccine.
I am not sure, but I believe the Germans did not introduce a law like Britain which gives vaccinators immunity, so he could sue the doctor who gave it to him at a vaccination centre. When he contacted them to tell them about his symptoms, they said it is none of their business.

422970 primesinister, #1140 of 1758 🔗
422971 awildgoose, 11, #1141 of 1758 🔗

Cuomo in real trouble as NY Senate looks to cancel his powers and the FBI opens an investigation:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ny-dems-move-end-cuomo-emergency-powers-lawmaker-says-gov-threatened-destroy-him

422976 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1142 of 1758 🔗

Just seen another twat swerver from my front door.

Gender: Female
Age: early thirties
Mask status: Un masked (yes, really!)

Did the crab walk (with face almost buried in hedge) to avoid two little kiddies passing her on the pavement. Kids couldn’t have been more than 8 years old.

423018 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ceriain, 8, #1143 of 1758 🔗

Brain status: Missing

423128 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1144 of 1758 🔗

Hilarious! ‘twat swerver’, that made me laugh so much! I’ve seen my share of them over the months.

423039 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1146 of 1758 🔗

We need to follow up with this sort of action here clearly

423102 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Barbara Baker, #1147 of 1758 🔗

hear hear!

422981 danny, replying to danny, 26, #1148 of 1758 🔗

Just reading about the guy protesting from his “hotel” incarceration.
He is locked in a room and masked guards physically restrain him from leaving. Yet, when you look at the average comments in the main news outlets, they are all either mocking him or insulting him.
I continue to find it utterly astonishing how selective people can be, allowing illegal things to be, simply because they chime with their current belief system.
if you put aside Covid, an innocent, presumably healthy father is being locked in a room and prevented from leaving. That is the simple fact. Now, that can be something you think is warranted or not, but it does not change the fact that it is detention against his will.
I would imagine that most of the very same woke people applauding this, were, just a few years ago denouncing extraordinary renditions of terror suspects to Guantanamo without trial as illegal. And they’d be right. It doesn’t make it ok just because you like the end point.

423020 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to danny, 10, #1149 of 1758 🔗

What horrifies me is them having to pay for the BS, and apparently the food delivered to the door is airline flight meal-type stuff. If I was being locked up and they made me pay for it I would insist on top-quality cuisine and a magnum of champagne.

423046 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Waldorf, 5, #1150 of 1758 🔗

I think the thing to do would be a ten day hunger strike. If a large number of people did that it might make people think.

423087 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1151 of 1758 🔗

It would suggest some degree of politicisation, and perhaps what I would do in their shoes (I was abroad when this quarantine was mooted and thought I might be affected, but was not in the end).

423130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1152 of 1758 🔗

I don’t know if they would be up for challenging it in the courts but they might have a case for it being false imprisonment. But the human rights lawyers seem to be on holiday during this thing…

423228 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1153 of 1758 🔗

A dirty protest like jimmy Boyle would do the trick

423152 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1154 of 1758 🔗

What happens if someone defaults on the cost, not a British national then returns to their own country?

423154 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1155 of 1758 🔗

No idea. Probably an admin nightmare. In fact it all is…

423204 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1156 of 1758 🔗

We pay.

423065 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to danny, 1, #1157 of 1758 🔗

I think that article has been produced in the form of the 2 minutes hate. When there is no moderation especially at night comments are overwhelmingly sceptical. Yesterday they removed all the over night comments criticising a govt policy.

In the day the comments are moderated and probably infiltrated by Integrity Initiative or the 77th or both. Add the JTrig bot the responses and they get the effect they want. Criticising someone calling out this obviously inhumane incarceration.

This will then give the lie to the proles that people are onboard with this bs.

422991 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #1158 of 1758 🔗

Apparently my future fil thinks everybody should follow the rules as it’s the polite thing to do.

Wow

423144 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to stefarm, 5, #1159 of 1758 🔗

Possibly your ex-future fil then.

423242 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to stefarm, 2, #1160 of 1758 🔗

well, in a normal healthy society, that would be right. he just hasn’t noticed that we’re no longer living in one of those. if your society is nazi Germany or the USSR under Stalin, or the UK under its Pig Dictator and his evil entourage, then it’s a different story.

422993 shieldsheafson, replying to shieldsheafson, 6, #1161 of 1758 🔗

Can anyone explain why we would want to test people who are plainly not ill?

423048 ▶▶ Julian, replying to shieldsheafson, 7, #1162 of 1758 🔗

For some reason or other the government and/or SAGE and their equivalents around the world want the “emergency” to continue forever

Trying to look for logical public health justifications for any of the actions taken is futile – it’s all theatre

They DGAF about whether any of it actually WORKS, it’s all about how it plays with the public and whether it keeps the narrative going

423089 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to shieldsheafson, 5, #1163 of 1758 🔗

I am really beginning to think there is some kind of DNA harvesting going on.

423119 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1164 of 1758 🔗

They haven’t got mine.

423148 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bugle, 2, #1165 of 1758 🔗

Thankfully not mine either.

423201 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to shieldsheafson, 2, #1166 of 1758 🔗

Control.

422995 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 9, #1167 of 1758 🔗

Hi all – is there any evidence out there to support the idea of asymptomatic spreading? I have just received an email from my uni telling us that ‘each and every one of us’ needs to get tested regularly due to asymptomatic people still being able to transmit the virus. I know of that study in China which showed no evidence of this but just wanted to know about any supporting evidence in case I am rebutted in the email I’m about to write? (Any further evidence to dismiss the idea is welcome though!) Thanks.

423005 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to nocheesegromit, 10, #1168 of 1758 🔗

I saved this at the time:
Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
Published Mon, Jun 8 2020
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”
“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing,” she said. “They’re following asymptomatic cases. They’re following contacts. And they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare.”
If asymptomatic spread proves to not be a main driver of coronavirus transmission, the policy implications could be tremendous.

Retracted the next day, apparently.

423014 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 2, #1169 of 1758 🔗

I also found this that I saved. What is said at the 7-minute point with a link to a report is probably interesting….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7tJh7D4w-U

423008 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to nocheesegromit, 11, #1170 of 1758 🔗

Demand the university provide you with evidence of asymptomatic spread. They can’t as there isn’t any.

423015 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Andrea Salford, 7, #1171 of 1758 🔗

That’s my plan!

423027 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1172 of 1758 🔗

There is the big Wuhan study – look on covid-context.com
There is a link to the full study on nature.com
Wordy but the biggest survey – maybe not that truthful but helpful for your cause?

423035 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, 2, #1173 of 1758 🔗
423033 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1174 of 1758 🔗

It is also Virus 101 – you are only infectious if you have symptoms

Wuhan study:
Nature Communications November 20, 2020; 11 Article number 5917

Asymptomatic People Do Not Spread COVID-19
 Click on sources & references

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/04/do-asymptomatic-people-spread-coronavirus.aspx

423050 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #1175 of 1758 🔗

University of Florida: “The asymptomatic/presymptomatic secondary attack rate is not statistically different from zero..”
https://rationalground.com/university-of-florida-researchers-find-no-asymptomatic-or-presymptomatic-spread/

Prof. Allyson Pollock (Newcastle University): “no evidence” asymp. drives infection or spread
https://twitter.com/AllysonPollock/status/1345493905756876802

BMJ: much of the testing on students is completely inaccurate:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4941

Also, Isabel Oliver (PHE Dir. of the National Infection Service) said last year that they have no way of proving where people caught covid-19. Any suggestions that people definitely must have got it from a certain person or place, eg. guy in a Supermarket, would therefore be “inaccurate” she said.

423077 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to nocheesegromit, 12, #1176 of 1758 🔗

You do not consent to testing in a non-clinical setting when you have no symptoms. Any test needs your consent. And you cannot be denied any of your basic rights for refusing a test. They are nasty bullies. Stand your ground.

423124 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1177 of 1758 🔗

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102
“New JAMA meta-analysis of 54 studies with 77,758 participants finds household secondary attack rate (chance an infected person will infect one or more people at home) is 18% if the index case is symptomatic and 0.7% if asymptomatic.” “Asymptomatic spread is so rare that it only happens 0.7% of the time even in households Asymptomatic spread is one of the main justifications of mask mandates for the general public There will be no acknowledgement that 1) masks failed 2) they were unnecessary to begin with”

423312 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 333 of lockdown), replying to Andrew K, 1, #1178 of 1758 🔗

And a more recent paper – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33484843/

Data synthesis Of 927 studies identified, 80 were included. Summary secondary attack rate estimates were 1% (95% CI: 0%-2%) with a prediction interval of 0-10% for asymptomatic index cases in 10 studies, 7% (95% CI: 3%-11%) with a prediction interval of 1- 40% for pre-symptomatic cases in 11 studies and 6% (95% CI: 5%-8%) with a prediction interval of 5- 38% for symptomatic index cases in 40 studies.

423140 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to nocheesegromit, 6, #1179 of 1758 🔗

they made it up to justify all their stupid restrictions and most of all the need for masking everyone.

423448 ▶▶ iansn, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1180 of 1758 🔗

Why not just reply back and ask them for their evidence/study whatever to prove that it actually exists? Their risk assessment with all the details that they ‘must’ have done before requiring this. Pound to a pinch of shit they’ve done nothing.

423578 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to iansn, #1181 of 1758 🔗

Good idea!

422996 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1182 of 1758 🔗

12th October 2021

Last pub in Britain closes for good

Pig Dictator announces “It’s another great day for Britain. It was a long haul but we got there in the end”


423026 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 24, #1183 of 1758 🔗

There is an advert in Scotland they show on tv and it it goes “stick with it Scotland we know it’s tough but there is some light on the horizon” Any time i hear it i get an adrenaline surge through my body that can’t be good for me. I despise this idea that i’m “Scotland”. This kind of bullshit makes your individuality a thing of the past. I’m not part of anything these government cunts want me to be. I want nothing but the total and utter destruction of government of any kind. I’m sick of them nd people who think we need them to live on this planet. My one life in this universe is ruined by cowards who can’t survive off their own efforts so they’ve got out humans to force other humans to do shit to make their life easier.It’s a sickness that most of those suffering from it don’t even know they’ve got it. A bit like the covid bullshit

423056 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Biker, 12, #1184 of 1758 🔗

I don’t whether Biker has changed or whether I have , but these days I find his contributions polite and restrained compared to how I feel about this whole business and the people gleefully destroying us.

423092 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mikewaite, 22, #1185 of 1758 🔗

I haven’t changed. I don’t post much anymore. What’s the point? I just go about my life best i can safe in my belief that this will all be over soon. Plus the weather has broken and the bikes are out the garage and back on the road and soon i’ll be back playing gigs in the pubs, clubs and festivals. They can’t do this for much longer. Here in Scotland it looks like they’ll sacrifice another year of tourists and that will be the final nail in Scotlands coffin. I’m glad for that.

423334 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Biker, 1, #1186 of 1758 🔗

Light on the horizon reminded me of this Half Man Half Biscuit classic tune!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrorqVHMsag

423610 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Freecumbria, #1187 of 1758 🔗

But will we soon be seeing the Trumpton Riots?

423000 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 32, #1188 of 1758 🔗

I’ve just been shopping. Muzzle-free – and no problem personally. But I am SO disappointed and actually downright appalled that there seem to be no other muzzle-free shoppers INSIDE the shops. A good few take off their muzzles when they get outside.

Where is everyone who thinks as we do?

I’ve just been reading something from a London nurse who says she’s seen many more bacterial pneumonia cases than ever before – and they’ve been told to log them as ”covid” cases. And a doctor who says she has treated more bacterial pneumonia cases than ever – she believes this is due to people wearing masks all through the working day.

423002 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Banjones, 14, #1189 of 1758 🔗

More pleurisy cases too due to mask wearing.

423042 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1190 of 1758 🔗

Pleurisy is a very very nasty, painful disease. I’ve had some. Feels like knives in the back.

423054 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, 4, #1191 of 1758 🔗

It’s really awful.
Is there any documented proof of this claim about pleurisy? It was subject to fact checkers in August but we should have evidence of it now.

423110 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Annie, 3, #1192 of 1758 🔗

Yeah, I’ve had pleurisy twice and it is pretty unpleasant.

423118 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Annie, 1, #1193 of 1758 🔗

That’s quite specifically not a covid symptom

423182 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CGL, 3, #1194 of 1758 🔗

Will be soon.

423007 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Banjones, 29, #1195 of 1758 🔗

I’ve never worn a mask, never been socially distant and continued to hang out with my friends. I pity those in a mask. I’m grateful for one thing though, i now know whom amongst all the people i know who are cowardly fascists and i can’t trust. Thankfully most people i know don’t buy this bullshit but there are some who’ve shown themselves and i won’t have anything more to do with them

423019 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Banjones, 11, #1196 of 1758 🔗

I have noticed this too. Ever since there was that extra push for supermarkets to enforce mask wearing and all the door Nazis appeared I seem to have been the only person bar none without a mask, despite the fact some of those wearing them are clearly struggling to breathe.

423194 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to EssieSW, 6, #1197 of 1758 🔗

History must surely call this era “The Madness”. The time the government outlawed breathing and the masses did their best to comply.

423183 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Banjones, 2, #1198 of 1758 🔗

I haven’t been in shops anywhere near as much as in pre-muzzle days (which wasn’t much anyway) but only recall ever seeing TWO other un-nappied people in supermarkets, and ONE in an antiquarian shop. And this was before the supermarkets joined PHE in January. SNAFU.

423001 Biker, replying to Biker, 86, #1199 of 1758 🔗

If they think i’m gonna stick a cotton bud up my sons nose twice a week they’re fucking dreaming. What is this insanity? Fuck off Johnstone you utter cunt. Nearly a year into this bullshit and still they have their grubby corrupt hands round out throats. I will never forgive him for destroying my sons education.

423075 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Biker, 25, #1200 of 1758 🔗

Hear hear. I totally agree your views

423098 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Janette, 33, #1201 of 1758 🔗

i up-voted you agreeing with me to show how i agree with myself

423179 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Biker, 12, #1202 of 1758 🔗

I think that is how Sage works.

423235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Old Bill, 3, #1203 of 1758 🔗

lol

423221 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Biker, 4, #1204 of 1758 🔗

I’ve upvoted you and Janet to show my solidarity.

423218 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Biker, 2, #1205 of 1758 🔗

Good one, Biker, right with you!!!

423010 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 10, #1206 of 1758 🔗

Perhaps a little hopeful but the reality of lockdown seems to be catching up with people,

423053 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to pvenkman, 16, #1207 of 1758 🔗

Just sitting on the beach in Somerset. No masks, lots of families (some meetings of sorts too as people wave in cars next to them). Kites flying and car park fuller than I’ve seen it for months. People are voting with their feet here.
Also some interesting stuff from USA – CNN contract with capital “rioter”, Cuomo under investigation by FBI… this shitshow is in its decline. I can sense it too.

423021 Victoria, 14, #1208 of 1758 🔗

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Takes ‘Anti-Vax’ Stance in Violation of His Own Platform’s New Policy ” – Watch a leaked clip of Zuckerberg from July saying he wanted caution on vaccines because “we just don’t know the long term side-effects of basically modifying people’s DNA and RNA”. Saying that on Facebook today is verboten

Nick Clegg (remember him), is working for facebook in some ‘strategic’ role and also features on this video. No wonder the UK is so successful in clamping down on anyone that asks questions

423022 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 12, #1209 of 1758 🔗

My town has just got covid wombles. No idea why, town is EMPTY.

“Covid marshals are patrolling West Berkshire, as the time is now right for their introduction.

From yesterday (Monday) six marshals will be working across the district, with a further two based at testing sites.

Speaking on their introduction at a meeting last night (Monday) Public Protection Partnership (PPP) manager, Sean Murphy, said that the marshals would operate seven days a week during daytime hours but this was likely to change once lockdown eased.

The marshals will be in place for an initial three-month period but Mr Murphy said the partnership would assess how that fitted with the changing local and national landscape.

He added: “The brief they have been given really is high streets but also public spaces, the parks, the commons.

“We’ve identified set event days in a sense, things like markets, so they’ve been asked to prioritise things like that, but also things like out of town shopping areas and the likes of supermarkets.”

The marshals have no enforcement powers but Mr Murphy said they would work closely with the police.

He said: “The role is to support the community, talking to the public, talking to businesses and to promote social distancing and face covering wearing.

“They will have a visible presence across the district. They are identified as West Berkshire marshals. They have no enforcement powers, that’s an important point because it’s about engaging the public.

“Primarily their role is to pick up issues that are not enforcement issues. There are a large number of those that come in to ourselves and the police where people raise concerns about specific areas, issues such as social distancing and things like that, that aren’t necessarily primarily enforcement issues – but they will work closely with those responsible for enforcement.”

Covid marshals were introduced late last year nationally to help enforce restrictions.

Calls for West Berkshire marshals were made in September “to help the community feel secure and help businesses stay secure”.

Asked why the marshals were being introduced now Mr Murphy said: “When the enforcement marshal scheme was first developed, a lot of the emphasis was around businesses.

“A lot of businesses were open and at that time we felt that our efforts were best-placed working with those businesses… to operate in a safe as possible manner in accordance with the law and the prevailing guidance.

“We see the timing as the right time in the sense that in the next few weeks, few months, hopefully restrictions will start to ease, and we do see the timing of bringing them in at this point will help a lot with that.”

“As spring comes and as people have had their first jabs… people are already feeling a little bit more optimistic, confident – things are starting to relax a little bit, so I think the Covid marshals will remind people that we’re not quite there yet.

“Also I think there’s a sort of reassurance of having people visibly there to talk to if you have got concerns.”

Mr Murphy said that there had “inevitably” been a small number of enforcement actions, primarily prohibition notices, handed to businesses.

He said they had been “businesses that were perhaps operating outside of the permitted operating hours or businesses that shouldn’t have been operating at all”.

“We’ve served prohibition notices requiring them to stop whatever particular activity it was they were doing,” he added.”

This is supported by the uber twatt that is the lib dem leader in our area.

423058 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 11, #1210 of 1758 🔗

Twats in hi-viz vests. Just tell them to fuck off.

423062 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1211 of 1758 🔗

Can’t wait to meet one. Guaranteed to be 100% morons.

423082 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1212 of 1758 🔗

And probably “overweight”

423096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to vargas99, 6, #1213 of 1758 🔗

That is a given.

423108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to vargas99, 4, #1214 of 1758 🔗

you made me think of FatPeopleHate, a much missed Reddit sub.

423177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Biker, 3, #1215 of 1758 🔗

RIP

423113 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1216 of 1758 🔗

WTF –
“As spring comes and as people have had their first jabs… people are already feeling a little bit more optimistic, confident – things are starting to relax a little bit, so I think the Covid marshals will remind people that we’re not quite there yet.”
So now they’re feeling confident, we need to beat that shit out of them again

Calling Bruce Reynolds – we need a few tips?

423023 Banjones, 2, #1217 of 1758 🔗

I found this which I’d saved a few weeks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7tJh7D4w-U

423024 primesinister, 7, #1218 of 1758 🔗

Well thats that blocked from commenting in my local rag twice this week, some stuff ya just aint allowed to say.

423109 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Banjones, 3, #1220 of 1758 🔗

I believe he is also doing good work with the PCR Claims people – saw something posted from their twitter feed yesterday. He’s still around!

423181 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CGL, 2, #1221 of 1758 🔗

Sent them the FOI saying they meant nothing but no answer from them.

Anyone got a contact e-mail for Mike Yeardon?

423045 Annie, replying to Annie, 25, #1222 of 1758 🔗

Does anybody else remember a SF writer of the 1960s/70s called John Christopher?

He wrote a trilogy for children called ‘The Tripods’. It concerns a future world that has been conquered by an alien race. The aliens permit humans to live in a sort of peaceful pseudo-medievalism. All adults are ‘capped’: as adolescents, they are fitted with a metal mesh that covers their heads and meshes with the flesh, so that it can never be removed. The Cap fixes them in n attitude of servile, unquestioning obedience to the aliens, whom they love and adore. Society is geared towards promoting Capping: the day you are Capped is a local festival, the vicar preaches a sermon about the joys of Cappedhood, and the local church rings the Capping Peal.

There is an underground resistance. They find out that the alien ‘Masters’, currently living in special domed cities, are preparing a Great Reset: they plan to adapt Earth to their own needs by changing the atmosphere, which unfortunately means that all humans will die. This doesn’t matter, however, because the Masters have some choice specimens preserved in museums.

Funny how foresighted SF writers so often are.

423068 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Annie, 5, #1223 of 1758 🔗

Oh, so they actually used the term Great Reset?

The technocrats get a lot of their ideas from sci fi .

423084 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FedupofLies, #1224 of 1758 🔗

No, actually.. Same idea, though.

423088 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #1225 of 1758 🔗

Well Wancock got his plans from a Hollywood film so consistancy reigns!

423135 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 3, #1226 of 1758 🔗

I’ve read that, too, Annie. Some of the lesser known names in SF wrote some cracking stuff in the 50’s and 60’s.

Funny how foresighted SF writers so often are.

There’s a series that was made a while back by Ridley Scott called “Prophets of Science Fiction” (can be found on YouTube). They featured a few of the better known Sci-fi names, e.g. Asimov, Dick, Verne, Wells. It is quite astonishing how much they got right.

My wife said to me the other night, “You’re always going on about your SF writers suggesting that euthanasia at a certain age will become the norm for the planet. Do you think this is what they are planning now?”

I replied, “I’ve been suggesting this to you for the whole 30+ years we’ve been married. Whether they are actually doing that now, I don’t know, but I do believe it is inevitable.”

423244 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Annie, 2, #1227 of 1758 🔗

Don’t remember that, but do remember the Peter Dickinson trilogy the Changes which was a brilliant children’s BBC series in the 70s. I reread the books a few years ago.

The Changes posits a Britain where a sudden enveloping noise emanating from all machinery and technology causes the population to destroy them. The resulting upheaval displaces many people and reverts society to a pre-industrial age where there is a deep suspicion of anyone who may be harbouring machinery. Even the words for technology are taboo. The remnants of modern technology that escape destruction (such as electricity pylons) produce a physical and sometimes violent repulsion among those left in Britain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjVqHVo0nq0

423459 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1228 of 1758 🔗

Thanks, I’ll look that up later on.

423047 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 16, #1229 of 1758 🔗

The true death numbers from Covid over the last year, just over 3,000, from official NHS statistics, people with no underlying health conditions. https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/17/investigation-nh

423051 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #1230 of 1758 🔗
423091 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1231 of 1758 🔗

Notice that 6% number again? I’m sure that’s the same for the UK and the US.

Turn it round; 94% of deaths marked as Covid were from people with one or more co-morbidities.

423185 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1232 of 1758 🔗

Also approx. 60% of fatalities were people who had disabilities.

423085 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #1233 of 1758 🔗

400 billion debt last I heard, I can only shake my head so much at the damage done.

423172 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #1234 of 1758 🔗

And just under half of those 3000 were over 80 years old.

Dear God, when will the truth ever be told to the masses?

But it is not a conspiracy, I really believe that. Now, where did I put that letter from the Docs about getting my Covid Jab?

423055 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #1235 of 1758 🔗

Ha ha

Failed!!

423063 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 16, #1236 of 1758 🔗

Dicklord Starmer!

423064 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1237 of 1758 🔗

I know, so infantile…what can ya do?

423071 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1238 of 1758 🔗

But funny and true.

423160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1239 of 1758 🔗

I am sure his eyes are saying “I wish it was real”.
Maybe that is why you always see him down on one knee?

423258 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Old Bill, -1, #1240 of 1758 🔗

Lol!

423199 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1241 of 1758 🔗

Mask with a dick on it, or…

Dick with a mask on it.

423081 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Victoria, 5, #1242 of 1758 🔗

I cannot see a way forward, a future, for The Labour Party in the current political and cultural climate that they have helped so much to create. Any lacklustre policy they put forward has the stench of overthought, committee led failure about it.

423112 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #1243 of 1758 🔗

Not to mention odious creepiness.

423126 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #1244 of 1758 🔗

They do not want to win. Maybe Corbyn did but not the current creep.

423061 CivilianNotCovidian, 22, #1245 of 1758 🔗

GLOBAL GROUP HUG
Monday 8th March
4pm local

RIGHT… it’s ON!!

At 4pm local time, go outside and approach another human being and ask, “Would you like a hug?” If the answer is no, move on and ask someone else.

Time to rehumamise our world!

423069 bebophaircut, 9, #1246 of 1758 🔗

Transhumanism is not organic. It is anti-nature.

423080 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 36, #1247 of 1758 🔗

Talked to another customer lady today. Do I fix televisions…errr no but well lets have a lovely chat about covids shall we.

The lady says she hasn’t talked to anybody who thinks covid bollocks is a scam but she has thought herself that things aren’t right. I gave her me email and said I would be more than happy to send her stuff. Another possible convert….

Honestly the normies are waking up. They are very receptive to ideas they would have just dismissed as “conspiracy theory” or “tin foil hat stuff” this time last year.

They can see how all the conspiracy theory stuff is “coming true” right in front of their eyes, even if they have no idea what is going on. They can see it clearly now.

423093 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1248 of 1758 🔗

Let us at her!!!! Too soon maybe . . .

423101 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 4, #1249 of 1758 🔗

Working on it 🙂

423142 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1250 of 1758 🔗

Tell her a broken telly is a good thing to have at the moment.

423151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1251 of 1758 🔗

I did say that. Well I asked her if it was something on the telly that made it get broken, but in all seriousness I said to her she was better off without a telly as everything on it about brainwashing people and it’s evil toxic poison.

I also said that I have “given up” telly 20 years ago.

Apparently she was moving house and dropped it on the stairs, a £700 HD TV…OOOh and this was the 2nd they had broken in a 6 week period so not covered by her insurance.

Ouch.

423095 ▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Two-Six, 22, #1252 of 1758 🔗

The most interesting aspect of the normies being redpilled is that once they accept that the government has lied about one thing, it is much easier for them to understand that they have lied about a great deal. They might even begin to understand that they are debt slaves that live in a gilded cage of total deceit.

423103 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to COVID-21, 18, #1253 of 1758 🔗

I have thought that – they always ask “But why would they lie?”.
My first answer is that without answering the why – isn’t it enough to start with that you can see the evidence and you know that they’re lying?

423120 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 10, #1254 of 1758 🔗

Se actually *admitted* to me that she had heard it was about stopping global warming….so the door was open.

423122 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to CGL, 11, #1255 of 1758 🔗

yes – that’s the response I always get! every time! it’s as regular and predictable as Solzhenitsyn’s victims of the door being beaten down by the NKVD in the dead of the night: ‘but what have I done? I haven’t done anything!’ – there’s something so surreal about evil, people just can’t take it in

423161 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to CGL, 19, #1256 of 1758 🔗

“But why would they lie?”

I’ve had a few people say that to me. Conversation tends to go:

“But why would they lie?”
“Are you telling me that you’ve gone through your whole adult life believing everything the government tells you?”
“Well, no, but this is serious.”
“Is it?”
“Well, people are dying; hundreds of thousands have died of Covid.”
“Have they? Says who?”
“The Government.”
“And you believe those numbers are real?”
“But why would they lie?”

And round and round and round it goes…

423245 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1257 of 1758 🔗

They lie to frighten people into being vaccinated with an experimental vaccine that’s making a few people a huge amount of money.
I would think that’s a good enough explanation.

423257 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to LMS2, 2, #1258 of 1758 🔗

I would too! But we’re different

423240 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to CGL, 1, #1259 of 1758 🔗

Why would they lie?
Money. Power. Covering up their incompetence. Bribery. Corruption.

423255 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to LMS2, #1260 of 1758 🔗

That tends to put them off unfortunately – they just shrug and frown and say ‘hmm – I don’t think so’
I’m not sure what the answer is that keeps them in the conversation when they dismiss all those things.

423386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to CGL, 5, #1261 of 1758 🔗

A good answer I find is that I have no idea why they are lying, although there are many theories.

All I know for sure is the data does not in any way support this response.

423138 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to COVID-21, 18, #1262 of 1758 🔗

I think that is going to be the big problem for Governments worldwide. Once proved to have lied about this, the next question will be what else have they lied about.

I am a former public servant, a son and grandson of retired senior civil servants and also have caught one particular Government owned entity with its pants down (so to speak) on multiple occasions. It is no surprise that I trust little that emanates from Government and prefer to apply a policy towards the State of ‘guilty unless proven innocent’.

For those who don’t have my background (especially if they are in any way dependent on the State), it will come as a big shock to find out that the State in its various forms lies to them routinely and even regards it as the State’s duty to do so, to preserve the worldview that the State holds.

423163 ▶▶▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1263 of 1758 🔗

Hayek pointed out that a centrally planned and collectivist state would necessarily need to coerce citizens in order to align them with the state’s weltanschauung, and this is exactly as you have observed.

I agree with your assessment that the state should always be viewed with the highest degree of scepticism. It is incredible that after so many examples of malfesance, people are still willing to give the political class the benefit of the doubt.

423206 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to COVID-21, 10, #1264 of 1758 🔗

Hey, if we’re supposed to act like we’re sick until proven healthy I think it’s only right that we assume the government is corrupt until proven otherwise.

423251 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1265 of 1758 🔗

I think it’s less a matter of what they’ve lied about.

It’s more what they haven’t lied about.

Climate change.
Green New deal.
You live in a democracy.
Etc.

423114 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Two-Six, 14, #1266 of 1758 🔗

I black-pill everyone I talk to. I don’t care any more if they think I’m crazy. I consider it my duty. it’s the only form of resistance/sabotage I do.

423116 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #1267 of 1758 🔗

Yer really. Everybody I talks to get the full monty, with variable levels of scare chucked in for good measure. I have made covidians literally go white a few times.

Obviously not in a race war kind of way, just a good old honest to goodness fear response.
LOL.

423379 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1268 of 1758 🔗

Well, if you tell them everything from the resetting of the financial system, the democidal aspects and the possible fact that people will be owned by a corporation as they are hooked up to a social credit cloud, at least, WERE it to happen, and I mean we HAVE to make sure it DOES NOT, at least they will understand a lot quicker once they’ve been programmed to hear it.

423705 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FedupofLies, #1269 of 1758 🔗

Thats pretty much what I tell them with a few extras thrown in if I don’t think they quite GET IT.

423190 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1270 of 1758 🔗

Above all, it’s good for yourself.

423123 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 22, #1271 of 1758 🔗

Agree.

To me the turning point was “jab granny and we’ll get back to normal” , suddenly they knew people testing positive after the jab and then dying or being very ill in their little bubble and parent’s or granny’s care homes and got told “still no return to normal” they finally asked what the fuck?

423147 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #1272 of 1758 🔗

Don’t disagree. I also think that there are other things that you can add to the mix, such as pulling the plug on Christmas, the Boris bike ride, Wankcock playing footy in the park, the ban on holidays, the failure of getting kids back to school, experimentation on 6 year olds etc etc. The fat pig dictator and his farmyard chums have sown the wind. Hopefully they will reap the full force of the whirlwind. And I hope that will come none too soon.

423189 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1273 of 1758 🔗

Forgot to add the bit about Proturder (I think that we need a new name for these people) Edmunds saying ‘Masks would be forever’. In my book that amounts to mental cruelty.

423254 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to isobar, 4, #1274 of 1758 🔗

Masks forever = humiliation and subjugation.

423196 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 13, #1275 of 1758 🔗

It’s impossible not to realise something very bad is going on.I think the announcement that lockdown won’t end until the cases are below 1000 and the fact that the vaccine will not end the restrictions should wake a lot of people up.

423215 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1276 of 1758 🔗

The failure to deliver on the promise that “Vakzine macht frei” will p*** people off enormously – agreed.
Unfortunately, I don’t think 1000 ‘cases’ impinges on most people’s reasoning. It’s just a big number devoid of context. Many people can’t equate a £10.00 note with 1000 pennies.

423090 alw, replying to alw, 9, #1277 of 1758 🔗

We told you last week how the UK Government had released a report highlighting adverse reactions to both the Pfizer and Oxford / Astrazeneca vaccines. The report covered data inputted to the MHRA Yellow Card Scheme from the 9th December 2020 up to the 24th January 2021. Well the UK Government has since released a second edition of the report up to the 31st January 2021, and things have not improved.”

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/14/think-the-oxford-jab-is-safe-adverse-reactions/

423200 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to alw, 3, #1278 of 1758 🔗

Even Canada is not prepared to green light the AstraZeneca vaccine yet and our population is irate that our “vaccine” rollout has been so slow (which is good news from my perspective).

423106 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1279 of 1758 🔗

I wonder how many whistleblowers, e.g. test centre workers, doctors, nurses, etc , have approached the papers and been told, “Not interested!”

423175 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1280 of 1758 🔗

They would not even have got a reply, I haven’t about some of the FOI answers I’ve received.

When it is obvious the tide has not just turned but gone out then the MSM will suddenly wake upa nd say “we knew all along blah blah blah”.

423195 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1281 of 1758 🔗

Yup! Like all the public who will also say, “I knew it was all bollocks; I just went along with it because…” Lots of us here know plenty like that.

423107 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #1282 of 1758 🔗

Sorry if it’s been posted, interesting analysis (part 1) by Joel Smalley on HART:

https://www.hartgroup.org/mortality-analysis/

423145 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fear is Finite, #1283 of 1758 🔗

It’s good someone is trying to put some context around the headlines, and I think they send a briefing to MPs, but I found the linked article a bit puzzling. It gives some background and talks a bit about the April spike and deaths caused by lockdown but seems to tail off a bit and not talk much about winter 2020, which is surely the key now.

Also would have liked to see some context on age- and population-adjusted all-cause mortality this year compared to previous years this century

423180 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Julian, 1, #1284 of 1758 🔗

“In the next part of this analysis, which will be published on this website in the coming days, we will analyse the actual impact of the SARS-CoV-2 respiratory virus during the first half of the 2020/21 “winter” season.”

 This was at the end of the paper – so winter 2020/21 will be covered in the next instalment.
Personally I found this to be very well explained and is certainly a document that the less numerate of the populace (which is quite a large proportion – including MPs) should be able to take in and understand.

I’ll look forward to the next instalment.

423339 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to vargas99, #1285 of 1758 🔗

He picks up on something that bugs the hell out of me – the deaths running total. Never done before for flu, sure to continue for how ever many years it takes to reach the magic imperial college 500k deaths forecast. Also joe public has no idea how many people die in your average flu season. Once part 2 is available I’ll be sending it out to people all of whom have no idea what the word context means.

423111 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, #1286 of 1758 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYtZli1ahU
This is Sky on the virus trials – volunteers being given the dread contagion on purpose.

423149 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1287 of 1758 🔗

What’s next up for them? Vaxx to see if it kills them with an ADE? They’re young they should pull through. Have another £4.5k and that’s a year’s tuition at Leper U. sorted.

423150 ▶▶ John001, replying to Waldorf, 5, #1288 of 1758 🔗

But they say that the March 2020 version was ‘less dangerous’ than what we have now. If so, it sounds unlike most previous viruses in our history which have become more infectious and less deadly over time.

423127 isobar, replying to isobar, 9, #1289 of 1758 🔗

Mainstream media anchor in the US asks White House Senior advisor on Covid 19 why there is no difference in covid stats in States that lockdowned and those that didn’t. The guy totally fails to answer the question. Obviously the truth hurts. Worth watching to the end. ‘Vaccination’ , well least the first dose, doesn’t ‘set you free’ (or words to that effect) Sound familiar?

 https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/-it-s-going-to-require-more-patience-from-the-public-than-people-may-want-andy-slavitt-on-covid-cases-falling-101167685981

423129 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to isobar, 18, #1290 of 1758 🔗

The guy has no answer because it’s now obvious that lockdowns are a political tool, not an epidemiological one.

423132 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to LMS2, 7, #1291 of 1758 🔗

Got it in one!

423232 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to isobar, 2, #1292 of 1758 🔗

I’m stunned the MSM would put this question to this regime so soon.

Maybe some buyer’s regret is creeping in?

423600 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to awildgoose, #1293 of 1758 🔗

Oh you better believe there’s plenty of buyer’s regret indeed..

423134 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 18, #1294 of 1758 🔗

BREAKING NEWS (AGAIN) – Pope Francis set to join Pimlico Plumbers.

Charlie Mullins, owner of Pimlico Plumbers welcomed Pope Francis to his team today saying: “Frank’s a great bloke. He’s gonna need a bitta trainin’ but the good news is that he’s already vaxxed up and he’s pretty good with big spanners. He’ll also be helping us go green, whatever that means.”

Speaking from the Vatican Pope Francis said: “It is never too late to make a career move and I’ve always enjoyed the challenge of flowing water. And let’s face it, with all this social distancing malarkey, the whole god thing is done for. I look forward to working with Charlie and his vaccinaires”.

423136 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 9, #1295 of 1758 🔗

You are Cecil B and I claim my £5.

423143 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1296 of 1758 🔗

No – we are separate beings – I did offer to shack up with him, but he said he was too old for that sort of thing. Shame.

423156 ▶▶ isobar, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1297 of 1758 🔗

Yes, but will he be able to pass the ‘crawling naked through snow test’ ( see earlier post).

423159 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to isobar, 3, #1298 of 1758 🔗

That could be tricky for Frank given his age. What a total wanker Mullins is.

423191 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, #1299 of 1758 🔗

He’s certainly proof that the old saying, “no such thing as bad publicity”, isn’t true.

I imagine a lot of people who would think, “What a tosser, I’m not going to him.”

423375 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to godowneasy, -1, #1300 of 1758 🔗

The ‘Holy’ Father is a CUNT and I would say it any Catholic’s face. He is of an extremely malicious and antichristian type.

423137 yohodi, 9, #1301 of 1758 🔗

Testing children, that’ll bump the numbers up, keep the kettle boiling into early summer, justify more lockdown sanctions..cynical opportunism from a ‘guvmint’ lead by a man who would not look out of place crouched on a lilly pad.

423141 Freecumbria, 7, #1302 of 1758 🔗

Yet another study, this time from Ecuador, showing importance of T cells and showing huge amount of pre-existing immunity from this not so novel coronavirus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33582369/

Results: As measured with INF-γ production, 80% of the convalescent COVID-19 patients, all IgG-RBD seropositive, had a strong T-cell response. However, unexpectedly, 44% of healthy unexposed healthy controls, all IgG-RBD seronegative, had a strong virus-specific T-cell response with the COVID-19 IGRA, probably because of prior exposure to common cold-causing coronaviruses or other viral or microbial antigens.

Conclusion and discussion: The high percentage of unexposed healthy subjects with a pre-existing immunity suggests that a part of the Ecuadorian population is likely to have SARS-CoV-2 reactive T cells. Given that the IGRA technique is simple, and can be easily scaled up for investigations where high numbers of patients are needed, this COVID-19 IGRA may serve to determine if the T-cell only response represents protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 infection in a population-based study.

423153 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 29, #1303 of 1758 🔗

How could any of this be legal? The answer is it is not. There has been a coup d’état

All those involved must be held accountable for their crimes. They must be punished in such a way that no one would ever consider doing anything like this again

Unlike 1945 the minor players must not be allowed to escape justice. Without people like government lawyers and parliamentary draughtsmen this could not have occurred

I estimate the number to be about 200,000 and include

The pig dictator and his cabinet
MP’s with some exceptions
Senior Civil Servants
The majority of Police Officers
Council Officials
Covid Marshalls etc

We should start planning now

423158 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1304 of 1758 🔗

Is it OK if they dig their own graves? That’s a lot of work.

423186 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1305 of 1758 🔗

Sending the leaders and major helpers to a Gulag after their show trial will do.
Maybe the Falklands can be handed over to them and then the keys to there will just be thrown away.
The majority of the helpers, enablers and sheep must just be forgiven, reeducated and given a different distraction and occupation to suppress their bad conscience and our anger about their collaboration, see Germany post WW2.

423243 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to JayBee, 2, #1306 of 1758 🔗

A bit unfair on the Falklanders (and their sheep).
Gruinard or, better still, Vozrozhdeniya.

423250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1307 of 1758 🔗

Had to look up the Russian one – sounds ideal for them.

423256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1308 of 1758 🔗

Yes they’d have the freedom to choose between anthrax, bubonic plague and smallpox. What’s not to like?

423237 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1309 of 1758 🔗

Are there not plenty of spare ones left over, ready dug, from last March when we were all going to die?

423248 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #1310 of 1758 🔗

Oh yes that infamous headline “ Mass graves may be needed in UK to cope with deaths from coronavirus”. Should have been Mass graves may be needed in UK to cope with deaths from lockdown” of course.

423301 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1311 of 1758 🔗

Graves?

Lol. No.

Stack the carcasses in shipping containers, put them on a cargo ship, scuttle it mid-Atlantic.

423169 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1312 of 1758 🔗

Need to add a large chunk of the so-called “Media”.

423173 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1313 of 1758 🔗

And the church/clergy – not a peep.

423219 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Hattie, #1314 of 1758 🔗

Has it got so bad that the only resort is to wild fantasy?

423187 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1315 of 1758 🔗

‘Doctors/Scientists’

423192 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1316 of 1758 🔗

Speaking of legal, a statement of claim was filed in early July against the Canadian government, the Ontario government, the CBC (our version of the BBC) and others challenging the state of emergency and the subsequent infringements on our rights and freedoms. The deadline for them to file their statement of defence was extended once and they’ve blown past it again. While Vaccine Choice Canada (the plaintiff who hired the lawyer) president said on our weekly Zoom call last night that this is indicative that they have no defence, my question remains: what is our recourse when the court — which is an arm of the government — does not hold the defendants to task for missing their filing deadline? I want to believe that these court challenges will bring an end to this insanity, but it’s hard to be optimistic when 7 months has passed and there’s been no rebuttal and no hearing in sight. On the plus side, the comments in one of our national newspapers today about Toronto public health pushing for yet another 2 weeks of lockdown, despite falling “cases,” is not going down well with people.

423209 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1317 of 1758 🔗

I’m happy for the tea-lady at the SAGE meetings to get off with a clip round the ear.

423211 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1318 of 1758 🔗

…but not if she gave them chocolate biscuits.

423214 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cecil B, #1319 of 1758 🔗

Dream on.

423226 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1320 of 1758 🔗

Think of the evidence we’ve got.
Vast. Detailed. Circumstantial.Incontrovertible.

423284 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1321 of 1758 🔗

Agenda 21, planned long before Johnson got there, put into place, possibly, for this reason, easy

423155 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #1322 of 1758 🔗

DR REINER FUELLMICH ON THE FAKE AND CRIMINAL “CORONA CRISIS”
7 Feb 2021

He discusses the current situation and his efforts to bring justice to the situation.This interview was done as apart of the full length documentary.

https://alethonews.com/2021/02/09/dr-reiner-fuellmich-on-the-fake-and-criminal-corona-crisis/

We are releasing the full interview for the betterment of public understanding of the situation.
The full film, when released, will be available at https://www.PlanetLockdownFilm.com

423271 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Victoria, 1, #1323 of 1758 🔗

Thanks for this. It is absolute dynamite.

423157 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 54, #1324 of 1758 🔗

The village I live in has had a few deaths in the past year. Numerous elderly with serious illness or old age. The street I live on has had 4 deaths within 4 weeks.
I see the younger ones, early sixties as counting as preventable deaths. One died during number one house arrest at home on his own, he had a stroke. My husbands cousin died 2 months ago at home sudden heart attack and last night my 64 year old neighbour who died suddenly of a heart attack.
These deaths have one thing in common, all 3 were during house arrest and none of them would leave the house. My neighbour we found out has not been able to leave the house due to the scaremongering media, they had panicked him into believing he would die if he caught the virus but instead did no exercise and never left the house for the last couple of months and died of a heart attack instead.
I don’t know how much longer these men may have lived if they hadn’t been stopped from working and doing the things that gives them purpose, but I really believe that sitting at home and not moving is unhealthy and that this situation is what contributed to their deaths.
When someone tells me now that we’re in the middle of a pandemic, I will just answer, yes your correct, a pandemic of heart attacks and strokes.

My days are spent now on the streets of the village outside houses attending a 2021 funeral. I had a funeral last Thursday, I have a funeral tomorrow, both lived on my street, another funeral next week and probably my neighbours the following week.

However a year into this terror our government have inflicted on us, none of the deaths were ‘died from covid’ two had covid on the death certificate but died of something else.

423164 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Just about sane, 29, #1325 of 1758 🔗

This state of extreme unhealth is going to cause the early deaths of huge numbers of people. I would say that many people have gained at least a stone in weight due to not doing anything for a year, probably more. Their muscles have wasted away, their fitness is in the shit-can and most people will get out of breath walking up their stairs to bed.

Smoking too much, drinking way too much, eating crap food, no nearly enough fresh food or none at all. No sunlight, diabetes, blood clots, lymph odeama, ulcers, pressure sores, bad feet, stiff joints, wow, this is gonna hurt way more than the Rona will.

Obviously.

423166 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Two-Six, 17, #1326 of 1758 🔗

Exactly, it’s mass murder on an industrial scale.

423178 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to isobar, 22, #1327 of 1758 🔗

A state, civil servants, politicians and health officials truly concerned about the wellbeing and health of their people would have basically always done the very opposite of EVERYTHING the British government in particular has done sofar and continues to do.
Their malevolence and incompetence could have only
been topped by HM opposition.

423225 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Two-Six, 13, #1328 of 1758 🔗

Look how the gyms have been relentlessly targeted with restrictions.

That’s a complete giveaway they want us weak and broken down.

423361 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1329 of 1758 🔗

Well said. How the NHS could go along with this lockdown nonsense but not one in that organisation had thought that the fallout from the lockdown would have been far, far worse is baffling.

423457 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1330 of 1758 🔗

“Stay at home” must be one of the worst pieces of health advice ever.
For myself I don’t think my physical health has suffered, as I always have enjoyed walking and it’s now the only non-domestic leisure activity which I can do, as everything else is closed. So I’m doing more walking than I did pre-March 2020.

423207 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Just about sane, 13, #1331 of 1758 🔗

Thanks for sharing this. This is the tragic result of the constant fear campaign and the stay home to protect the NHS mantra. The excess death figures in private homes for almost a whole year, show the full effect of these policies. It’s pure evil.

423208 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Just about sane, 11, #1332 of 1758 🔗

Our parish has had 1, yes one, and the idiots in the village think there’s a plague.

423539 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Just about sane, #1333 of 1758 🔗

Did any of these poor soles (RIP) had the experimental vaccine.

423167 JayBee, 10, #1334 of 1758 🔗

The closed golf clubs in NRW have just written an excellent letter to PM Laschet, incl. a swipe at masks and a reference to the fact that Germany’s CMO equivalent (sort of) Wieler, is playing golf himself all the time.
Worth getting hold of, translating and sending it to the pig dictators for British golf clubs as well.
Even my obedient, mask zealous dentist friend there has now had enough and can’t see the sense of any of it anymore.
Like me, he just can’t figure out the Why?, as he understands that in the end, there will be no more money for teachers salaries, drugs, dental treatments, hip or heart operations anymore as well.

423168 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 39, #1335 of 1758 🔗

Just had the Cabinet Office in contact with me as they required more information about my FOI asking about Ministers being in contact with the BBC under the 2016 Framework Agreement and Section 67 Defence and Emergency Arrangements.

They claimed not to know what it is.

Their question:

Please can you provide some further information about the Framework Agreement referenced in your request?

What a bunch of numpties -10 seconds and 1 entry into google would have found the reference.

So sent them this:

The information you requested about the BBC’s Framework Agreement.

In addition to the last BBC Charter issued in 2016 is a Framework Agreement.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/584329/57965_Cm_9366_Print__1_.pdf

Included within this Framework Agreement 2016 is section “67. Defence and Emergency Arrangements.”

This states:

“67.Defence and Emergency Arrangements

(1) Any UK Government Minister-(a) may request that the BBC broadcast or otherwise distribute any announcement; and(b) may, if that Minister has requested that the announcement be broadcast or otherwise distributed on television or by means of an online service, request that the BBC accompany that announcement with a visual image (moving or still) of anything mentioned in the announcement.(2) If it appears to any UK Government Minister that an emergency has arisen, that Minister may request that the BBC broadcast or otherwise distribute any announcement or other programme.

(3) A request under paragraph (1) or (2) must be made in writing, and the BBC-(a) must comply with the request in the timescales specified by the Minister;(b) mustmeet the cost of doing so itself; and(c) may, when broadcasting or distributing the announcement or other programme, announce that it is doing so pursuant to such a request

(4) The Secretary of State may give the BBC a direction in writing that the BBC must not broadcast or otherwise distribute any matter, or class of matter, specified in the direction, whether at a time or times so specified or at any time.

(5) The BBC may, if it wishes, announce that such a direction has been given, varied or revoked

This means that ANY Minister can contact the BBC and basically dictate the narrative and agenda that the BBC are to follow and broadcast without giving reasons as long as they believe “an emergency” is happening.

When added to the OFCOM Notice to Broadcasters on 23rd March 2020

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/193075/Note-to-broadcasters-Coronavirus.pdf

This in effect has turned the BBC and all other broadcasters into a propaganda arm of Government and they cannot broadcast anything that goes against the officially mandated and approved narrative without sanctions and fines being imposed as has happened to Loveworld in 2020 when they broadcast shows and interviews that did not meet the official narrative even though not one Government department nor advisor can supply and scientific evidence to prove what Loveworld broadcast was factually incorrect.

My FOI is to find out what Ministers have been in contact with the BBC and what was discussed about an “Emergency Arrangement” and what the BBC were to broadcast and so on.

If you require further information please do not hesitate to contact me again.

Will post any answer.

Fucking iditos – if this is the best they can employ then we should be able to run rings around them with ab it of assistance from Toby et al (but which is not really forthcoming yet).

423174 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1336 of 1758 🔗

Are there any other sceptic journos who you can tap into for support and assistance? Toby appears to be taking a backseat since the death threats (I would be the same tbf).

423193 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1337 of 1758 🔗

If there’s no pushback we’re all in peril, one way or another.

423202 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bugle, 7, #1338 of 1758 🔗

I’ve been in TY’s shoes and can tell you that all logic and reasoned argument goes out of the window when you are seriously threatened in that way.

423269 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1339 of 1758 🔗

I’ve never had a death threat, so maybe that disqualifies me from comment. However, what is beyond debate is that if we do not resist, ‘the plan’ will go ahead, which will be living death (serfdom), population reduction or involuntary quarantine – possibly for life. To yield ground is simply to fall further under their power.

423197 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #1340 of 1758 🔗

Laura Perrins at Conservative Woman?
She has a forensic legal mind, is clued up and vocal, and writes for Daily Mail as well so has MSM clout.

423184 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #1341 of 1758 🔗

I am continually amazed at the great stuff that you do for the cause!

423170 Tom Blackburn, 3, #1342 of 1758 🔗

Should’ve known they wouldn’t pick one of the many, MANY Covid zealots for punishment following Captain Tom receiving online abuse.

423171 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 77, #1343 of 1758 🔗

Just seen this comment in a Telegraph article:

Hospitality doesn’t spread Covid. Hospitals do.

It’s straight and to the point, and accurate.

423176 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 39, #1344 of 1758 🔗

1% of “cases” picked up in” pubs and restaurants according to Wank Wanksock’s wanky app, versus 40% hospital transmission according to their wanky data.

423378 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1345 of 1758 🔗

My only issue with this is that pubs and restaurants have been closed for quite long periods of time. whereas hospitals have been operating throughout.

I don’t doubt that hospitals are the major vector, but it would be nice to have a comparison that takes that into account.

423217 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1346 of 1758 🔗

That is an awesome slogan that needs to be propagated everywhere.

423230 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to awildgoose, 11, #1347 of 1758 🔗

My suggestion is “Stay home, avoid the NHS, save lives”.

423297 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Norman, 6, #1348 of 1758 🔗

Mine is similar but would be, “go out, avoid the NHS, save lives”.

423229 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1349 of 1758 🔗

So true and something that should be shouted from the rooftops!!!

423213 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 26, #1350 of 1758 🔗

Go Sir Charles!!! This brought tears to my eyes:

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1362420871508410369

As I’ve said before the “improved” attitudes towards mental health and disability were only skin deep and due to this shit show, it was proved to be nothing but a sham and fake. We’ve regressed back to the Stone Age.

Well done to Sir Charles for highlighting this issue.

Will definitely write to him.

423233 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #1351 of 1758 🔗

A decent man, who gets it. Most of the politicians only see Covid, not the collateral damage. I think lockdowns will kill far more people than they have ever attempted to save.

423249 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #1352 of 1758 🔗

Once again apologies for repeating myself, the 1922 committee should move against the PM and replace him with Charles Walker.

423252 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #1353 of 1758 🔗

He is a genuinely decent man, and has campaigned for a variety of mental health causes for quite some time. Nick de Bois wrote a quite entertaining book about his time as a 1-term Tory MP, and said Sir Charles Walker was so outstanding, that if there were such a thing he would be Parliamentarian of the decade.

423342 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 6, #1354 of 1758 🔗

He has emotion which is genuine and he does not use it to further himself. Other MP’s of all parties should understand that rather than pretending to cry…………looking at you Wancock.

423263 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #1355 of 1758 🔗

He knows about mental health issues; he’s struggled with severe OCD his whole adult life.

He not only understands the problem of living with a mental health condition oneself, he also gets the pain and suffering of those who have to live with a sufferer.

He may be a politician, and sometimes he acts like a politician, on occasions, but believe me, this is a very genuine man who does care about this issue. He’s lived it; he lives with it every day.

423315 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1356 of 1758 🔗

That may be true , and certainly he is the one, singular, best political voice we have , but I don’t see Obsessive Compulsive fighting against the threadbare fabric of lies and misinformation peddled by the govt and political class.
The real facts are there to be exposed yet no one in power dares to confront them.

423265 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #1357 of 1758 🔗

The one thing all politicians should learn from him – if you are honest it will shine through.
If you’re not, everyone can see it in an instant.
This man really cares – it is that obvious.

423511 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CGL, 2, #1358 of 1758 🔗

Agree with all your comments. Sir Charles is genuine and passionately committed to the issue of mental health and how lockdowns have affected him.

More power to his elbow.

423220 Annie, replying to Annie, 20, #1359 of 1758 🔗

Headlines on BBC Wales: NHS lists get longer and longer.
Well well.
Mystery.

423227 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Annie, 10, #1360 of 1758 🔗

It is all those Welsh names, they take up so much space.

423236 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Norman, 8, #1361 of 1758 🔗

it’s the addresses.. Lots and lots of people on the list from Ynys Mon..
especially Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch

423267 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to mj, 7, #1362 of 1758 🔗

You cut and pasted that didn’t you!

423283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1364 of 1758 🔗

channel 4 news .. wouldnt believe a word those lying bast*rds say,

423281 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to CGL, 1, #1365 of 1758 🔗

too right. !!!! and Holyhead would not have been as funny

423247 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Annie, 2, #1366 of 1758 🔗

I don’t understand what is happening. I have been diagnosed with a minor, non-life threatening, problem that I have had in the past. It needs an op that will need an overnight stay. They are working more quickly this time than they did a few years ago – strange.

423224 Norman, replying to Norman, 20, #1367 of 1758 🔗

Talking to a Russian friend in Rostov on Don who tells me that the vast majority of people she knows will not have the Sputnik vaccine because they don’t trust the government (now where have I heard that before). The only person she knows who has had it had a bad allergic reaction and had her eyes swell up.

423246 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Norman, 10, #1368 of 1758 🔗

Great that they don’t want the vaccine. I hope more and more refuse

423253 John David, replying to John David, 20, #1370 of 1758 🔗

So even the government scientist are having to admit that infections are dropping like a stone. Of course it’s all down to the lockdown. Just a pity they’re not looking at the data which show this started happening before we did lockdown.

423264 ▶▶ Will, replying to John David, 9, #1371 of 1758 🔗

Or out of my kitchen window which is showing perfectly normal traffic, or at the fuel price which is the surest indicator of supply and demand.

423332 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to John David, 4, #1372 of 1758 🔗

Agree every lockdown occurred at or just after the rate of infections began declining. The problem is as my daughter pointed out there’s lag between the data and what is happening in the real world. Every one thinks lockdown causes the decline in infections and as nothing to do with what happens in the real world. Think about it you become infected recover and then have immunity this process occurs every time a new germ appears. In fact when covid first appeared in Wuhan it was noticed that as infections increased the growth began slowing down peaked and then declined. At the same time in Wuhan lockdown occurred and the world believed it was lockdown that brought the pandemic to a stop. The rise and fall of infections is a natural process which if you interfere with not only stops the spread of infections but also the spread of immunity. Eventually when you reopen the vulnerable become infected due to no immunity and the whole process begins again.
It is lockdown that is prolonging the pandemic and creating mutant strains.
Hopefully vaccination will give the vulnerable enough immunity to complete the process of infection followed by recovery and immunity before this process begins again.

423455 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1373 of 1758 🔗

Yes but there are 30+ papers proving they don’t work

423359 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to John David, 1, #1374 of 1758 🔗

Or at Sweden.
Or at Florida, South Dakota&co.

423370 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JayBee, 1, #1375 of 1758 🔗

Or basically the entire planet.

423262 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #1376 of 1758 🔗

Not a party political comment this, the opposition and others have clearly shown themselves to be on tge same side as those governing.

However, keirs lunatic speech this morning was very purple. Tie matching backcloth.

Labour colour is red is it not?

423276 ▶▶ jos, replying to Basics, 3, #1377 of 1758 🔗

He’s from the Trilateral commission / anti democratic and the colour purple denotes a merging of red and blue so not representative of either side ..

423298 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to jos, 6, #1378 of 1758 🔗

Purple , the colour of Caesars , Popes and Royalty also a masonic colour denoting deception .

423352 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Christopher, 1, #1379 of 1758 🔗

Spot on.

423364 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Christopher, #1380 of 1758 🔗

And the basis of a good Asterix joke.

423452 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1381 of 1758 🔗

So that’s ‘hot dogs’ in Latin??? Always wondered.

423496 ▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1382 of 1758 🔗

Massive Asterix fan when I was a wee lad .

423325 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Basics, 6, #1383 of 1758 🔗

People here will not like this but purple has deeper historic symbolism and is connected with the hidden society groupings who are in control.
The public displays of the colour is a simple way of communicating association and allegiance with the cause.
a bit like the old school tie or regimental tie.
It is far more significant that just the mixing of blue and red.

It’s worth researching into.

423444 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Basics, 2, #1384 of 1758 🔗

Purple is also mentioned in Revelation 17:4 as a color present in the Whore of Babylon’s garb:

https://biblehub.com/revelation/17-4.htm

423454 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1385 of 1758 🔗

How I could do with her right now!

423266 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 98, #1386 of 1758 🔗

A Few Words of Thanks

I log on to LS most days, mainly to read the Comments, where I find what often feels like the last vestige of sanity in a world I no longer recognize.

I regularly feel like posting ‘Thank You!’ simply to let Comments contributors know how much your sharing and comradere makes a difference.

So: Thank You! to everyone who makes LS a sanctuary of sound sense, in an otherwise intellectual wasteland of mindless compliance.

423286 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bill Gisz, 14, #1387 of 1758 🔗

Thanks for being one of us, Bill.
One more brick in the wall of sanity,

423442 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Bill Gisz, 2, #1388 of 1758 🔗

Thank you, Bill. There is a good spread of regular posters here but most of us have no delusion that we’re a mighty army. It’s encouraging to know that we’re not just talking to ourselves and others are reading it even if they don’t comment themselves.

423268 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 18, #1389 of 1758 🔗

Who thinks the boris ‘irreversible’ unlock is a complete lie.

423274 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Silver cat, 3, #1390 of 1758 🔗

Not me, i think it’s on. It’s on because the Chinese made and intentionally released virus has been shown not to be an airborne HIV virus they thought it was in the beginning.

423329 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Biker, -2, #1391 of 1758 🔗

Don’t be so quick to blame the Chinese

423435 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1392 of 1758 🔗

Have we nuked China yet?

Time we got on with it.

423484 ▶▶▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1393 of 1758 🔗

What other options are there? (Sincerely)

423280 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Silver cat, 25, #1394 of 1758 🔗

I would wager most on this site. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him and that wouldn’t be far. Apart from promulgating a crime against humanity through lockdown this abysmal apology for a PM has destroyed the social fabric of our society. It may take a generation to repair this.

423290 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to isobar, 17, #1395 of 1758 🔗

Ever considered the idea that destroying the social fabric is the intention?

423318 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #1396 of 1758 🔗

Yes, that is becoming more and more obvious as time goes on. I have no words to describe how evil this is.

423434 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Bill Grates, 2, #1397 of 1758 🔗

It’s obvious, so they can, “build back better,” by their implementing their sociopathic globalist ideal for human society.

423480 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1398 of 1758 🔗

Precisely, you can’t build something without destroying what is already there. It’s obviously not going to be “better” for the vast majority of mankind though.

423282 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Silver cat, 16, #1399 of 1758 🔗

He’s a lying bastard so yes, complete lie.

423353 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1400 of 1758 🔗

Correction: he’s a lying, manipulative bastard.
To be trusted as far as I can sling a prize bull by its caudal appendage.

423292 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Silver cat, 21, #1401 of 1758 🔗

No he’s telling the truth.There won’t be another lockdown because we are never getting out of this one.

423299 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #1402 of 1758 🔗

Agree. These restrictions are to prepare us for the privations of the coming new age: energy rationing, travel restrictions, mandated diet, withdrawal of education, social credit scoring, involuntary quarantine, sudden arbitrary arrests.

423368 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Silver cat, 11, #1403 of 1758 🔗

Hmm let’s think about his past record shall we… Three weeks to flatten the curve, turn the tide in 12 weeks, Easter at Christmas, significant normality by November, lockdown is the nuclear option, LOCKDOWN TO SAVE CHRISTMAS, Christmas at Easter, sunlit uplands of vaccine world, freedom on Easter Monday…

Yep. It’s a lie.

423390 ▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1404 of 1758 🔗

I’ve heard September being pitched as the end. Noooo! Has no one figured out that flu like illnesses are seasonal?! Any talk of autumn just gets us to the next series of lockdowns, (from whatever grudging, miserable concessions we’re living under in August). It’s the story of 2020. Beware anyone suggesting an end happening after April. Someone suggesting any date after tomorrow is wrong as well but probably not evil. For Pete’s sake.

423438 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Silver cat, 3, #1405 of 1758 🔗

I’d bet a month’s salary that whatever happens in the meantime, we’ll be locked down in January 2022.

423598 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to AidanR, #1406 of 1758 🔗

I wrote on January 1st this year in my diary- and took a date-stamped photo of the entry- “This time next year we will be pretty much exactly where we are today.”

423273 Basics, replying to Basics, 23, #1407 of 1758 🔗

As a kid there is no way on earth my mouth would of opened or my head remained still if my parents when for attacking me with a qtip. I would have kicked and punched to defend myself from invaison. I would lock doors and run away.

This is not because I was a problem child, nor was I physical or knowledgeable about tyranny.

Just get that fucking eye watering disgusting procedure away from me. A clear and present danger to my life.

Poor parents for having to deal with that. A suitable out is to wipe the swabs on the floor and/or papaya instead.

423277 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 13, #1408 of 1758 🔗

As an adult i’m interested in the anal swab test. Not for me you understand but i could see a niche market on pornhub for hot people testing each other

423345 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Biker, #1409 of 1758 🔗

Why do you think they brought it in?

423433 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Biker, #1410 of 1758 🔗

Good to see you back, Biker.

423279 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Basics, 10, #1411 of 1758 🔗

If my kids were still of school age, I’d refuse to let them be swabbed, end of.

423289 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Basics, 6, #1412 of 1758 🔗

Mine will be taken out of the packet and will be tested without going anywhere near my nose, throat or anus.

423308 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to peterthepainter, 3, #1413 of 1758 🔗

Then you will be an accessory. Refuse.
Sorry but it’s the truth .

423296 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Basics, 7, #1414 of 1758 🔗

POOR PARENTS?

Any parent who does this is on their way to becoming a filthy MENGELE only to THEIR OWN FUCKING CHILDREN!

423300 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #1415 of 1758 🔗

Do we do lost and found on this site? anyway I’ll give it a try I’ve lost a pandemic, I’m sure it was here a while ago but I’ve just looked and I cannot find it anywhere, if you have seen it can you let me know? Plenty of manic news reports, one minute encouraging, the next minute doom and gloom, megalomaniac politicians talking in a manner that in no way recognises the world I live in, but no pandemic! goodness only knows where it has gone?

Our local hospital, Barnstaple, currently has zero ‘covid’ patients, the few that it had seem to have been transferred to the Exeter nightingale covid quarantine hospital, much as the old fashioned approach to quarantine hospitals. This approach seems to mean the Barnstaple and presumably other district NHS hospitals in the South West are now operating as relatively normal NHS hospitals.

So all in all I just cannot kind this pandemic, all the people locally are out walking in the spring sunshine, they all look happy and healthy and cheerfully stop and chat to each other, so I just cannot find this pandemic? has anybody seen it?

423324 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1416 of 1758 🔗

I haven’t but I believe Bill Gates can sort you out a new one.

423331 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1417 of 1758 🔗

And you get to call it whatever you want as long as it is named after a country.

423351 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Andrea Salford, #1418 of 1758 🔗

Haha that’s funny

423447 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1419 of 1758 🔗

as Bill signs off on his annual letter with this cheery note “It’s not too soon to start thinking about the next pandemic.”

423347 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1420 of 1758 🔗

They seek it here they seek it there
That darned illusive disease from hell

423384 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1421 of 1758 🔗

I’ve asked around… not been seen since April 2020 apparently.

423397 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1422 of 1758 🔗

You ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait and see what this probe brings back…

423419 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1423 of 1758 🔗

there are bats and pangolins on the moon?. well i never!

423439 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to mj, #1424 of 1758 🔗

They must have a takeaway cooking bat soup at the secret moon base!

423446 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Martindale, #1425 of 1758 🔗

Look at the pic, end of May.

423304 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 23, #1426 of 1758 🔗

DT: Pregnant women at risk should get Covid-19 vaccine, WHO expert says
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/pregnant-women-risk-should-get-covid-19-vaccine-expert-says/

Speaking to the Telegraph, Professor Shakila Thangaratinam, head of the World Health Organisation’s Collaborating Centre for Global Women’s Health at the University of Birmingham, said the risks of
Covid-19 for pregnant women outweigh the lack of data about the vaccines
– though more research is needed.

So we want you to take something we don’t know is safe.

Complete and utter bastards!

423314 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1427 of 1758 🔗

Wow, that’s some logical chicanery there…

423330 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1428 of 1758 🔗

These people are criminals – Remember SWINE – FLU – FRAUD.

423349 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1429 of 1758 🔗

But I thought the original advice was for pregnant women NOT to take it.

423366 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Janette, #1430 of 1758 🔗

Well, the ‘advice/recommendation’ doen’t get more ambiguous than this.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-30-december-2020/joint-committee-on-vaccination-and-immunisation-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination-30-december-2020

Women who are pregnant

There is no known risk associated with giving non-live vaccines during pregnancy. These vaccines cannot replicate, so they cannot cause infection in either the woman or the unborn child.

Although the available data does not indicate any safety concern or harm to pregnancy, there is insufficient evidence to recommend routine use of COVID-19 vaccines during pregnancy.

JCVI advises that, for women who are offered vaccination with the Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines, vaccination in pregnancy should be considered where the risk of exposure to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV2) infection is high and cannot be avoided, or where the woman has underlying conditions that put them at very high risk of serious complications of COVID-19. In these circumstances, clinicians should discuss the risks and benefits of vaccination with the woman, who should be told about the absence of safety data for the vaccine in pregnant women.

JCVI does not advise routine pregnancy testing before receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine. Those who are trying to become pregnant do not need to avoid pregnancy after vaccination.

423418 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1431 of 1758 🔗

I remember someone ringing up LBC and saying he would bet his bottom dollar the “advice” originated from social media!

423382 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1432 of 1758 🔗

Pregnant women are, by virtue of their age, at almost no risk from Covid-19. If they have conditions that would put them at great risk from Covid-19, surely these are conditions that would make pregnancy itself incredibly risky. I’ve been pregnant twice and don’t recall abject stupidity being one of the side effects.

423412 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1433 of 1758 🔗

when I see the phrase “ though more research is needed.”. you can understand the speaker’s motivation.

423437 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1434 of 1758 🔗

Ah, come on, my pregnant grandma is 86, she’s in a vulnerable group.

423305 Les Tricoteuses, 21, #1435 of 1758 🔗

Not a chance will I allow this on my child.
Anyone who does is not fit to be a parent.

423307 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 23, #1436 of 1758 🔗

News from Israel
those who have been vaxxed will be given a “green pass” and allowed to return to “normal” vax refusers will remain locked down.
govt says if everyone takes the vax covid goes away for ever .
Well well ,it couldn’t have just been a scam to manipulate people could it ?

see Paul Joseph Watson Summit News

423310 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bill Grates, 3, #1437 of 1758 🔗

As per the leaked Canadian report

423321 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #1438 of 1758 🔗

More and more of the report is happening, scares the life out of me if I am honest.

423348 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Cumbriacracked, 12, #1439 of 1758 🔗

Don’t be scared, be aware, be prepared
The leaked Canadian doc may be fake, it may not , taken together with other sources the info is all part of a bigger picture showing the direction of travel.

People have to wake up and wise up , the govts are basically determined to take the people to an undefined future without their instructions to do so.
The people have forgotten that we hire them to keep the place tidy .
They have gotten too confident thinking the ruling classes hold power,
We hold the power and it’s high time we exercised our responsibility to ourselves.
Don’t be scared be angry. We need to team up and fight back, we are digital warriors, the terrain we fight on is human we must take back the human terrain – the minds of the many.

423362 ▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #1440 of 1758 🔗

I still can’t believe so many people cannot see what is now so blindingly obvious!

423391 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1441 of 1758 🔗

I was always open minded about it.It seemed far fetched but a lot of it is coming to pass.

423470 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1442 of 1758 🔗

It was very similar to the German Bundestag leak too wasn’t it.

423371 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1443 of 1758 🔗

Where did the e-mail mention Israel?

423395 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jb12, #1444 of 1758 🔗

It didn’t.It said all countries have their own version of the plan.
If you study what is happening around the world it does seem countries are implementing certain measures that they think they can get away with.
Our lockdown was always a bit lenient compared to other places yet we will all end up in the same place.

423451 ▶▶▶ COVID-21, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1445 of 1758 🔗

“Should a new strain emerge that is able to escape the virus – call it COVID-21 – with the manufacturing footprint we have, I would anticipate we could provide the world with a new [vaccine] version in a matter of weeks rather than months,” Tal Zaks, chief medical officer of US biotech Moderna, told the European Peoples’ Party online conference.

https://sciencebusiness.net/covid-19/news/ready-covid-21-vaccine-manufacturer-says-it-can-handle-escape-mutant

423311 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #1446 of 1758 🔗

What do you expect from an APARTHEID state?

423320 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #1447 of 1758 🔗

At least they didn’t choose a yellow pass.

423360 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Bill Grates, #1448 of 1758 🔗

How can that be correct when even the vaccine makers do not know if the vaccine stops you spreading the virus. All vaccines do is reduce the symptoms, they do not stop you catching or spreading the virus.

423410 ▶▶ Will, replying to Bill Grates, #1449 of 1758 🔗

I could see the nut jobs on the fringes of Israeli politics and on whom every Israeli government relies putting up with that.

423313 pub with no beer, replying to pub with no beer, 6, #1450 of 1758 🔗

Ivor Cummins latest vid about Florida shows they are doing well with no LD

423431 ▶▶ DRW, replying to pub with no beer, 2, #1451 of 1758 🔗

I’ve recently read some olympic-tier mental gymnastics from a zealot still trying to claim Florida did worse than New York state because higher average age is more important than per capita and also because the CFR is the true mortality indicator. Their defending stretches are just amazing.

423471 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DRW, 2, #1452 of 1758 🔗

I have read a lot of similar bending of the mind from zealot son India and their recent success.

One was masks. As per usual.

Another was that they are deliberately under reporting their numbers. Now who’s the conspiracy theorist.

Another was families do not report deaths from Covid due to the social stigma.

Not one of these people have any evidence of course to back up their brain farts

423316 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #1453 of 1758 🔗

Positive test results are in rapid decline across the world.
3 things happened on Jan 20th,

Below I’ve repeated a chart I posted earlier asking how the target of 1,000 positive tests/day can be achieved when the FPR rate produces 5x that number with the level of testing we’re doing. Well the answer may be to reduce the Ct rate.

423323 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to NickR, 8, #1454 of 1758 🔗

Surely a total coincidence. Just like Pfizer chosing the day the result of the presidential election was fixed declared to announce their vaccine ready to go.

423344 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1455 of 1758 🔗

Who was the minister who fell when Martin Sixsmith & Jo Moore decided it was a ‘good day to bury bad news’, 9/11/2001. Jan 20th was a good day to bury any other news!

423406 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to NickR, #1456 of 1758 🔗

I always thought it was to do with Princess Margaret’s funeral but it appears 9/11 seeded the idea

423441 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress 2021, replying to NickR, #1457 of 1758 🔗

If I remember correctly it was Stephen ‘cab for hire’ Byers, the MP for my former home constituency.

423564 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to NickR, 2, #1458 of 1758 🔗

CNN also appeared to mysteriously change their tune:

423319 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 30, #1459 of 1758 🔗

Feeling mischievous waiting for a wash to finish so I tried to post this under the DM pubs passports story. ‘Comments are not moderated’ so it says but seems they’re not having it 🤷🏻‍♀️ 😬

‘Hello SeventySeventh. How are you? I just wonder if you can share – what’s your motivation? Without going down conspiracy theory rabbit holes even you must know now this is disproportionate to the problem. A scam, follow the money etc. Are there any ex-77th here that realised what’s going on and for the love of human kind stopped trolling? You can’t honestly believe the psyops propaganda you’re paid to promote………is the money just too good that you’ve abandoned all integrity and sold your soul? Would be interesting to know….for the trials that will surely follow this atrocity. ‘

423322 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #1460 of 1758 🔗

I’ve often wondered that, its like a total disconnection between what they’re promoting and what will actually happen to their own lives. Can’t imagine the money’s that good either

423337 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1461 of 1758 🔗

They’re a bunch of thickos.

I mean, Tobias Ellwood is a Lieutenant Colonel.

423376 ▶▶▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Ossettian, 5, #1462 of 1758 🔗

With a name like Tobias he has to be a CU@T

423400 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DanClarke, #1463 of 1758 🔗

apparently you can volunteer

423427 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1464 of 1758 🔗

When I was at school, in the English class we once were discussing debating and as an exercise we were assigned one side or the other on a particular topic, irrespective of our personal views. We then had to develop arguments for our assigned side. Maybe 77th brigade treat it like that, just a piece of work to do.

423340 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1465 of 1758 🔗

Have you had any replies? 😉

423355 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to mattghg, 3, #1466 of 1758 🔗

Keep checking but so far it’s not posted. I’ve tried 4 times now and even changed ‘ex-77th’ to ex seven seven but still no luck. Anyone else welcome to copy and try.

423354 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1467 of 1758 🔗

We should all post the above on as many comments sections we can as many times as we can.

423327 bebophaircut, #1468 of 1758 🔗

Larry Williams, one of the early influences of The Beatles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHuJAC_XbhQ

Slow Down

423335 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 38, #1469 of 1758 🔗

Look into her eyes and remember…

423341 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1470 of 1758 🔗

Moron – She’s wearing it – UPSIDE – FUCKING – DOWN.

423346 ▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1471 of 1758 🔗

Great catch godowneasy!

423350 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 14, #1472 of 1758 🔗

Sorted! Oh, no; hang on. 😉

423402 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1473 of 1758 🔗

👍 🤣 🤣

423440 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1474 of 1758 🔗

You crack me up

423356 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1475 of 1758 🔗

That’s good

423394 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1476 of 1758 🔗

Is that Marianna Spring?

423422 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DRW, 1, #1477 of 1758 🔗

Could be… 👍

423336 smithey, replying to smithey, 7, #1478 of 1758 🔗

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-horror-driven-through-our-nations-soul/

Another brilliant article on the conservative woman website.

423380 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to smithey, #1479 of 1758 🔗

Wow. Just how I feel.

423343 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 22, #1480 of 1758 🔗

Sorry if already posted, but it’s really important.

Charles Walker is calling on people to write to or email him if their mental health is suffering under lockdown.

Let’s do it!

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1362406296390164482

423367 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1481 of 1758 🔗

Don’t apologise for posting important stuff. 🙂

There’s a discussion below. 🙂

423411 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1482 of 1758 🔗

Just seen it, thanks.

423523 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1483 of 1758 🔗

We should spread this message far and wide!!!

423373 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 10, #1484 of 1758 🔗

You have to watch this!
Supermarket in Israel checking vaccine papers. No vaccine no food. Another CoNSpirAcY THeoRy doomers said wouldn’t happen
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/lmk4mx/supermarket_in_israel_checking_vaccine_papers_no/

423383 ▶▶ jb12, replying to this is my username, 9, #1485 of 1758 🔗

It looks like a shopping centre and we have no idea what is being said to the people or by the guy at the end. Let’s not get hysterical now.

423393 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to this is my username, 1, #1486 of 1758 🔗

from what I read last week-Israel is still in lockdown but a number of shopping malls have taken it upon themselves to defy the lockdown but insist on proof of vaccination.

423414 ▶▶ iansn, replying to this is my username, 3, #1487 of 1758 🔗

yellow star is the only way to wake people up

423377 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #1488 of 1758 🔗

Desmond Swayne has a blog

Other than being a bit pro-vaccine for my tastes, he is usually on the money

https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/blogs/

423385 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Julian, 5, #1489 of 1758 🔗

That’s great. I’d love to show him my support by ‘following’ him but not a chance I’m opening an account in that cesspit called Twitter.

423458 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1490 of 1758 🔗

It’s not on Twitter – it’s just a web-page – take a look

423740 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to CGL, #1491 of 1758 🔗

Sorry for the confusion, I read the blog which was great, then clicked into something that said ‘Follow me’ but it linked to signing up with Twitter.

423429 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Julian, 2, #1492 of 1758 🔗

There is no vaccine, Julian, only gene enhancement.

423556 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, #1493 of 1758 🔗

Yes, he’s always worth watching or listening to. Agree he’s a little bit trigger-happy with the ‘v’ word but having said that, there’s probably more chance of the overall message getting through that way. If the first thing he said was ‘Oh I’m not totally sure about this jab stuff…’ the rest of the [blog, interview] would be dismissed – even if it detailed how he genuinely could turn water into wine, had completely eliminated homelessness, cured 17 types of cancer, and found Shergar – it would all be ignored or attacked.

423401 ▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #1495 of 1758 🔗
423407 ▶▶▶ smithey, replying to COVID-21, 1, #1496 of 1758 🔗

Should be the Conservatives new logo

423479 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to COVID-21, 1, #1497 of 1758 🔗

A rather accurate poster that, succintly describing the zeitgeist.

423408 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1498 of 1758 🔗

Just a reminder that the clear evidence that police are over-funded, over-manned and have too much time on their hands is not just a UK issue.

I give up. I was wrong and the BLM scum were right on this: defund the police, damn it, until they genuinely don’t have the time or manpower to enforce non-criminal “crimes”, from “hate speech” to lockdown bullshit.

423415 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Mark, 3, #1499 of 1758 🔗

BLM: wrong reason but right policy.

423460 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 2, #1500 of 1758 🔗

We certainly need police reform, but that can’t happen unless the whole system is overhauled.

We live in a world run by an organised crime syndicate of corporate billionaires & technocrats.

We have to bring all those oligarch funded NGO’s down first.

Only take a weekend LOL.

423522 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, 5, #1501 of 1758 🔗

The next time the police cry “poverty” and “cuts” as their excuse as to why many crimes go unsolved, they must never be believed.

This shit show has shown that they have the time, money and resources to harass people getting on with their lives so it should be a doodle to solve grooming gangs, knife crime, theft, assault, anti-social behaviour and the like.

423404 Anti_socialist, 5, #1502 of 1758 🔗

I posted this, this afternoon, thought it was worth bringing to the top for anyone who hasn’t seen it, worth watching.

PandaCast | A Conversation with Knut Wittkowski

Dr Knut Wittkowski is a German epidemiologist and former Head of Biostatics, Epidemiology and Research Design at Rockefeller University. Nick Hudson hosts an illuminating conversation about immunity, escape mutations and vaccines with a pragmatic scientist. PANDA: http://www.pandata.org

423417 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1503 of 1758 🔗

What exponential bullshit is this?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-lockdown-end-vaccine-uk-cases-shielding/
(free)

Coronavirus latest news: More than 20 million years of life may have been lost due to Covid, study finds

Covid-19 has cost more than 20.5 million years of life across the globe, including well over 800,000 in the UK, according to new analysis.

The paper, published in Scientific Reports journal, found the virus has cut short thousands more lives than comparable illnesses, such as influenza and heart disease.

‘Years of lost life’ (YLL) is a measure of the difference between an individual’s age at death and their life expectancy.

The researchers found that across 81 hard hit countries, Covid-19 caused people to die on average 16 years earlier than they otherwise would have.

Dr Simon Clarke, associate professor in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading, said: “This study shows the staggering scale of the human cost of this pandemic.

“[It] highlights the combined cost of the pandemic so far in terms of lives cut significantly shorter by a virus that kills people earlier than seasonal flu, or even heart disease.”

The study suggests that 44.9 percent of the YLL have occurred in people aged between 55 and 75.

While 30.2 percent occurred in individuals younger than 55, and 25 percent in those older than 75.

The authors caution that the results need to be understood in the context of an ongoing pandemic, and that they only provide a snapshot of the possible impacts of coronavirus on years of life lost

423421 ▶▶ COVID-21, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1504 of 1758 🔗

What absolute bollocks. Jesus fucking Christ.

423423 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1505 of 1758 🔗

It is the exponential bullshit you have brought to the table. Go to bed!

423432 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1506 of 1758 🔗

Unsurprising really, the “global health” title immediately confirms it’s commissioned propaganda, even worse than the main headlines.

423436 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1507 of 1758 🔗

I make it 67m years just in this country – and that’s just for those of us who have survived.

423443 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1508 of 1758 🔗

Wait a sec – for everyone who has had their life put on hold in the UK alone that’s at least 60 million years of life lost. And counting.

423462 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1509 of 1758 🔗

Would YOU trust this man?
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423486 ▶▶ Lowe, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1510 of 1758 🔗

The Daily Telegraph link to the original paper does not seem to work. However there is a link to another Daily Telegraph article about the “scientific” paper involved: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-has-cost-800000-years-life-uk-global-report-finds/

The fun bit is at the end of this article: “Hector Pifarre i Arolas, a research director at the Center for Research in Health Economics in Barcelona and co-author of the report, said … the first version… in June 2020 reported 4,364,326 years of life have been lost to Covid-19. … The current version reports 20,507,518 years of life have been lost … He added that the “real burden” of the pandemic may be higher as the current estimates do not include excess deaths.”

When scientists start reporting things like 20,507,518 years (Thank goodness it wasn’t 20,507,519 years or else I’d have to sit down for a breather!), you know they’ve gone mad. Why not 20,507,518 years, 6 months, 12 days and 13 minutes just to be precise? And does the “pandemic” really cause the “excess deaths” master Hector didn’t get around to calculating?

Oh well! Boris and chums can use this as another reason to keep the masses locked up for longer! No freedom until years of life lost go to zero!

423489 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1511 of 1758 🔗

Just another day in clown world.

Cue the Benny Hill theme.

423424 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 25, #1512 of 1758 🔗

The Labour leader is a real numpty moaning that if he’d opposed the lockdown people would have asked what the he was doing. No,he’s wrong because he could have become a leader everyone could have followed by suggesting alternative policies. They were plenty of scientists who could have offered different advice but no he played safe and consigned Labour into oblivion.

423449 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Derek Toyne, 16, #1513 of 1758 🔗

Starmer is part of the trilateral commission.He is very much part of the scam

423450 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Derek Toyne, 13, #1514 of 1758 🔗

He gets his orders from the Trilateral Commission. Nothing he says is of any value except in that we may infer the designs of his employers.

423472 ▶▶ Luckyharry69, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #1515 of 1758 🔗

yes but dont forget his Dad was a ‘toolmaker’ on the ‘shop floor’!!!!….what a complete WANKER STARMER IS!!!

423559 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Luckyharry69, 5, #1516 of 1758 🔗

his Dad was a ‘toolmaker’ “

Obviously. 🙂

423461 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 23, #1517 of 1758 🔗

I suggest we start distinguishing between a sceptic and a sceptic-lite.

The latter are all about the vaccine being the way out and that we should be somehow grateful that our political and scientific masters have given us a path to possible freedom.

Fuck that. This should end regardless of any vaccine, and the criminal scum who made these insane decisions should be put where they belong – behind bars.

423467 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Draper233, 1, #1518 of 1758 🔗

Being a sceptic is about questioning not questioning everything for the sack of questioning.

423507 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Derek Toyne, 4, #1519 of 1758 🔗

If it’s raining I won’t question that, if I’m lockup in my own home for the flu and then forced to take an experimental gene therapy then I will question that all day long.

423611 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Draper233, 1, #1520 of 1758 🔗

I think the divide is between incompetence and conspiracy.If you believe in incompetence then you will see the jab as a way out,even though the government has said it won’t.if you doubt the governments motives then a rushed experimenta