Last updated2021-02-20T09:59:55



425398 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 13, #1 of 1244 🔗

Good morning to all the insomniacs out there.

425400 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #2 of 1244 🔗

Good morning Judy.

425405 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #3 of 1244 🔗

. . . and the early risers.

425399 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 19, #4 of 1244 🔗

So Drakefords great reopening is we can meet three others in the pouring rain.

Whoopie do.

Damn, Judy beat me.

425401 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 58, #5 of 1244 🔗

I’d like to meet Dungford and his repulsive sidekick Gethin and my vile, crawling MP in the pouring rain and gales we’re having just now, in the dark, right on the edge of a two-hundred-foot cliff, and then tell them that they must step well away from me because they are not socially distancing, and wait for the smash-splash, and walk away rejoicing.

425404 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 10, #6 of 1244 🔗

I’m honoured to be in such fine company this morning. Good morning all.

425454 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 6, #7 of 1244 🔗

Well there are a couple of pathways right above a handy gorge right in St Dogmaels (village he formerly visited for that party). They are about 2′ wide and one of them is well-known for at least one persons dog having fallen off down the gorge. Me I tried one of those walks just the once and was inching along clinging to the side and vowing never to do that one again (though plenty of others seem to – eek!) and I think that one would do nicely…

425461 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 4, #8 of 1244 🔗

The happy thought arises too that that path is very tucked-away and hidden from sight. Definitely easy to see if there was any witnesses likely – 5 minutes = job done.

425482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 1, #9 of 1244 🔗

I know St Dogmael’s well. Good place. Butthere are plenty more in Pembs. Gullies, zawns, overhangs, landslips, slippery slopes…

425610 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 2, #10 of 1244 🔗

Or even the Reichenbach Falls when we’re allowed to travel again without being threatened with 10 years in prison.

426260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 4, #11 of 1244 🔗

Is there a vale of tiers?

425713 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to ElizaP, 3, #12 of 1244 🔗

What will swervers do?

425510 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Annie, 17, #13 of 1244 🔗

What concerned me was, just as an afterthought following a further unwarranted 3 week extension to lockdown, he glibly said ‘then we can start the economy’. WTF? Does he think by magic the economy, the severely damaged economy can be restarted, as Tommy Cooper would say, ‘Just like that’? He said it as though it was no. 20 down his list of things to do. What a shitshow.

425761 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Jo Dominich, 16, #14 of 1244 🔗

The ‘Green Deal’ is a ‘novel’ economy – all set up a waiting to go.
Carney openly stated that businesses not complying WILL go bust.
This whole things is a top down restructuring of our world.
While in my view the virus is a fake narrative over the flue and cold season, it serves the establishment of pre-crime biotech interventions.
Nip life in the bud – unless of course it cows to ‘Herod’.

The old normal is not on offer, and is not here any more.
The ‘stakeholders’ are in process of reconditioning a slave caste’.
Most of whom are no longer required.
The process has been ongoing throughout our lives but is out in the open now.

426266 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, #15 of 1244 🔗

Does this mean you are setting yourself up in the trip advisor business?

425407 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richy_m_99, 54, #16 of 1244 🔗

Daily Mail commenters make it clear that people have been meeting friends and family both indoors and outdoors since lockdown .3 began.
Johnsons cabal live in cloud cuckoo land.

425408 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 27, #17 of 1244 🔗

True, and so does the Dungsquad, but cafés and everything else are still closed, until business owners grow some balls. How long, o Lord, how long?

425776 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 2, #18 of 1244 🔗

The MSM, the Corporate, and the PPP of financially and ‘deal’ captured governments and regulators, all use the political puppets as protected assets of such wealth as leverage. So from their view we have no legs to stand on and no means to do more than shout in the kettles they provide or contain us in.

425449 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #19 of 1244 🔗

Yep….someone shoulda told him Wales is a very wet part of the country and some parts wetter than others. I know he does visit West Wales sometimes (ie wettest part of this area). I was at the same party as him in St Dogmaels back shortly before he became First Minister of this area. So – yep….I’ll cheerfully accompany him on some nearby walks – the muddiest I can find at the wettest day predicted and ensure he gets the worst bit to walk in and borrow someone’s rambunctious dog to ensure he gets leapt on in doggie excitement whilst on the ground.

425685 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #20 of 1244 🔗

Yes great sense from somewhere with no cases, bugger all deaths.

Was your final line to Judy a request or a statement? Lol

425402 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 103, #21 of 1244 🔗

Here is some science

There is not a single person alive, scientist or otherwise who claims to fully understand our immune system

Therefore the consequences of interfering with our immune system are unknown

425406 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Cecil B, 40, #22 of 1244 🔗

Agreed, our immune system is ancient and impossibly complex. Governments and scientists understand just enough to be a danger to us, by interfering with natural human contact. One would think that the emergence of antibiotic resistance through overuse of antibiotics would make people stop and think, but no luck.

The overuse of antiseptics less community contact and community masking will come back to bite us.

Professor Vincent Racaniello’s virology lectures on youtube are fascinating – viruses are ancient, essential to life and ever changing.

425432 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cecil B, 16, #23 of 1244 🔗

Yes, important to realise that the immune system is a wonderfully complex system, honed to near perfection by evolution, and only disrupted by modern ways such as processed foods and clumsy medications.

I think this video of a deep dive into the immune system by Creon Levit from May 2020, and using the wonderful David Goodsell drawings from his Machinery of Life book, leaves you marvelling at the beauty and brilliance of the immune system


(talk starts at 3 minutes)

Watch that and decide whether you want to mess with that.

425438 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Freecumbria, -4, #24 of 1244 🔗

Evolution? How would complexity evolve? If you did not have a complex immune system to start with you are dead. Simples. Shit happens is a philosophy not a science.

425448 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to FerdIII, -5, #25 of 1244 🔗

Yes the human organism is a complex array of chicken or egg conundrums only resolved by the doctrine of Creation.

425516 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Basileus, 4, #26 of 1244 🔗

So where is your god now? I thought after the Great Flood, your god promised never to inflict something of that magnitude on the planet again?

425566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #27 of 1244 🔗

I’ve never quite grasped why people get so overwrought about the business of Creation

Existence is fundamentally, intrinsically inexplicable, ineffable

You can go back as far as you want and explain more and more with science but you’ll never explain existence

FWIW I’m not religious myself

425456 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to FerdIII, 11, #28 of 1244 🔗

Evolution is based around the concept of natural selection whereby organisms with traits and genes, more beneficial for their environment, are more likely to reproduce and pass on their traits and genes to more offspring. The evolution of the immune system has followed the same process as individuals with more effective immune systems are likely to survive and pass on their immunity to their offspring

I made no comment on whether complexity evolved. I said the immune system has evolved over time and that the immune system was complex.

425538 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to FerdIII, 10, #29 of 1244 🔗

simples .. 3 billion years of competition between organisms

425666 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, 3, #30 of 1244 🔗

And don’t forget it twas aliens!!

426101 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 4, #31 of 1244 🔗

I’d like to agree with you but there are plenty of scientists who should know better who are prepared to go on TV and claim to understand the immune system.Otherwise, your point stands! Any decent scientist knows what they don’t know – which in the case of viral spread and the immune system is a hell of a lot.

425409 Sarigan (Day 335 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 335 of lockdown), 39, #32 of 1244 🔗

Crystal Cruises, a luxury cruise line have also now stated that vaccines will be required to travel with with them. Hope they get the same treatment as Saga.


425412 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Sarigan (Day 335 of lockdown), 61, #33 of 1244 🔗

I find the cruise vaccine nonsense somewhat ironic, given that cruises seem to be a hotbed of norovirus most years.

Cruising (to my non cruising eyes) is all about catching unpleasant viruses, as well as not being able to get away from people. Some kind of hideous hell hole.

425606 ▶▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to sophie123, 10, #34 of 1244 🔗

Thank you, that made me laugh – and laughter is in short supply! I’ve always thought they were festering plague ships!

425908 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to sophie123, 5, #35 of 1244 🔗

That depends on the cruise line. A mega-ship with 6000 passengers is my idea of hell.
A smaller ship with 700 is very pleasant. But not with mandatory masks and vaccines.

426062 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to sophie123, 2, #36 of 1244 🔗

Exactly! I really don’t see the appeal. I can do an overnight ‘booze cruise’ and that’s about it. The constant stories of viruses making you sick (from both ends!) on ships, where you’re stuck for days and days with other people, really turned me off. No thanks!

They will be authors of their own demise.

425498 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to alw, 7, #38 of 1244 🔗

Well, I guess that is better than Bozo – who has been the author of the UK’s demise!

425824 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to iane, 1, #39 of 1244 🔗

Yes, it would be nice if the impact could be limited to those imposing the restriction.

425530 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan (Day 335 of lockdown), 8, #40 of 1244 🔗

Another one with a death wish.

What is it about these businesses? They seem desperate go under.

425705 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #41 of 1244 🔗

Nah its just virtue signalling. Its trying to show the silver tops that we are safe. But does getting a jab stop you getting or passing on the disease? No? So how is that making your cruise safer? Mind you as a cruiser I could not think of anything worse than going on a saga cruise with a load of covid zealots and curtain twitching moany old fuckers.

425672 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan (Day 335 of lockdown), 4, #42 of 1244 🔗

I wonder, do cruise ships make more “carbon” per passenger to get to say, New York than a passenger jet?

I get the feeling that the only way to travel will be by boat or even modern solar/sail boats in the near future and it will be sold to us as the only option cos climate change…

I would rather BBQ my balls than go on a cruise anyway. Much more likely to get Norovirus than the Rona, that’s for sure.

426009 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Two-Six, 1, #43 of 1244 🔗

I’ve been on two cruises recently (2019) and thoroughly enjoyed both of them.
They were on a higher-class cruise line (featured on tv), where cleanliness was excellent, hand sanitizers and hand-washing stations everywhere, including no-touch automatic door opening for public toilets, to minimise cross infection.

426033 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to LMS2, 1, #44 of 1244 🔗

Yebbut what other holidays have hospital-esque precautions to minimise cross infections? What’s so awesome about a cruise that you’re happy to take a risk of cross-infection?

Each to their own, but having to ramp up infection control to those levels would dampen my holiday spirit, for sure.

426066 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to sophie123, 3, #45 of 1244 🔗

Exactly! I don’t see the appeal at all. I think you need to be into ‘safetyism’, which is responsible for much of our current situation. I couldn’t enjoy an experience that reminded me of a medical facility. It certainly would not be a holiday!

425410 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 94, #46 of 1244 🔗

As welcome as it is to see the courts actually doing something to rein in this government of tyrants, doing Hancock for the non-disclosure of contracts is like doing Hitler for traffic offences.

The Death Secretary’s bloody fingerprints are all over the greatest loss of quality life years since the war – yet in this case, it was a deliberate theft in order to pulverize the population into accepting experimental vaccines & immunity passports.

The gallows are too good for him, I’d throw him into a cage of rabid, starving Rottweilers.

425413 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Scotty87, 33, #47 of 1244 🔗

Maybe it can be like Al Capone. Get him on the small stuff,

425465 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to sophie123, 12, #48 of 1244 🔗

Definitely, it was always financial misappropriation that resulted in all the truly awful managers being sacked

425415 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 28, #49 of 1244 🔗

Rottweilers are nice dogs unless spoiled by their owners. Surely they deserve better food than that sort of trash?

425419 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Annie, 9, #50 of 1244 🔗

They would have to be immediately put down after consuming such poisonous flesh, maybe we can posthumously award them all a Dickin Medal for their service?

425526 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 1, #51 of 1244 🔗

What about just feeding him to the lions?

425437 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Scotty87, 30, #52 of 1244 🔗

Don’t forget Shitty, SAGE, FerguTard, Doris and Prince Vallance.

All need to swing.

425480 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to FerdIII, 15, #53 of 1244 🔗

Don’t forget to include Mr Grumpy – Chris Hobson of NHS Providors

426102 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Robin Birch, 2, #54 of 1244 🔗

That’s his stage name, his real one is Chris Knobson

425452 ▶▶ FiatLux, replying to Scotty87, 6, #55 of 1244 🔗

Great idea, but what will happen is that he’ll get a K, some baubles with a “BE” in the title and probably more, “the thanks of a grateful nation”, and sooner or later, a seat in the Lords, where, as with other former Suffolk MPs, he can busy himself making yet more money on the back of all this. Other sinecures will doubtless also become available to him.
I haven’t been there for a while, but I don’t think there are enough lamp-posts in the vicinity of the Houses of Parliament to accommodate all the criminals responsible.

425507 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Scotty87, 10, #56 of 1244 🔗

Feed the cunt to pigs

426098 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #57 of 1244 🔗

To good, crocodiles a better bet

425715 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Scotty87, 6, #58 of 1244 🔗

Yes but don’t forget they got Al Capone for tax evasion. Not all the other shit he did. The courts would not put the objection to lockdown and its associated harms to the high Court. So this is the only attack left. If it sees the slimy fucker having to answer difficult questions rather than the soft questions he is asked by the msm that would be good. Squirm mf Squirm!!

425411 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 20, #59 of 1244 🔗

Official US sources like the FDA and CDC describe the vaccines as experimental. I haven’t seen any similar language by UK authorities. In fact, Walesonline is going mental about what it describes as a “dangerous leaflet” being delivered to homes describing the vaccines in just those terms. Can anyone help me with respect to how these so-called vaccines are being described by official sources here in Prison Island?

425416 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to sophie123, 2, #61 of 1244 🔗

Thank you. The language is not quite as explicit as the American.

425417 ▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #62 of 1244 🔗

Deliberately so!

425418 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #63 of 1244 🔗

we are generally less litigious here, is the reason I guess

425420 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #64 of 1244 🔗

Is there a simple non specialist explanation of these vaccines, what they are and how they work? I may well be wrong but my understanding is that we have;

  1. nRNA vaccines Pfizer & Moderna; very experimental gene therapy approach.
  2. Adeno-virus vaccines, Astro-Zeneca, Johnson/Johnson, Russian Sputnik, Chinese???
  3. Attenuated live virus; still in development but possibly available as a nasal spray?

As I say I am only putting together the bits and pieces I have picked up, am I anywhere on the right lines?

425421 vargas99, replying to vargas99, 154, #66 of 1244 🔗

Fail to disclose where you have been on holiday = 10 year prison sentence.
Fail to disclose why you have given £30 million of public money to one of your mates= naughty boy don’t do it again

425593 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to vargas99, 24, #67 of 1244 🔗

Fail to disclose how many people died after your edict forcing infected patients into NY care homes. Have a special Emmy!

425719 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #68 of 1244 🔗

And a fucking knighthood!! Arise Sir Jimmy Saville!!

425990 ▶▶ Silver cat, replying to vargas99, 3, #69 of 1244 🔗

The entire establishment is corrupt

425994 ▶▶ Silver cat, replying to vargas99, 4, #70 of 1244 🔗

Killing millions of people with a vax and continued lockdown = contrats from the great reset technocrats

425422 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 240, #71 of 1244 🔗

The government has taken away the value and meaning in the lives of all of us for nearly a year, and it is for no reason.

The fact that this has happened all over the world doesn’t make it more acceptable or more excusable – they have committed a terrible offence against the people of this country, against the whole of humanity, and this will not and cannot be forgotten. Boris, Matt, Kier, Whitty, Vallance, Biden, Cuomo, Fauci, the New York Times, the BBC – they are all complicit, let this never be forgotten.

As I see my 8 year old son spend yet another day on his laptop when he should be out at his friends’ houses playing, or they should be here – how can we ever begin to see these people as anything other than the disgrace to humankind, weak excuses for what we should be. When I see millions of people laid off or furloughed because Boris can’t or doesn’t assess risks properly, this is not normal negligence of a political leader, this is of a whole different order. And he doesn’t get a ‘get out of jail free’ because Biden or Macron or Merkel has done the same. They all equally have the devastation of the lives of millions on their hands. When they wash them, as I’m sure they do many times, they cannot wash off the stench of these devastated lives.

Nearly every one of them a middle class, middle to high income, middle age male, creating rules destroying the lives of the young and the poor and the women.

We knew, I knew, back in March last year that, whatever we did  this was going to kill at the extreme maximum no more than are killed with deaths involving flu and pneumonia, and around 4,500 would be under 60. Many people on this site knew the same, and we were right! But the bloated egos of Ferguson and others came out with idiotic figures and refused to back down in the face of reality.

We look at Sweden and we see the same pattern of deaths as the UK, we see in Sweden around 1% excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2017 (when age and population are taken into account). Why did we not do what they did ?

We look at Ron deSantis in Florida who removed all restrictions, and the outcome was the same as California

We look at Brazil and the outcome is the same as Peru.

Why can’t the rest of the world see the self – evident truth.

Why are even our leading statisticians falling for the hysteria and forgetting their academic discipline.

Let us not forget that only 1,000 people under 50 died last year in the whole of England and Wales because of Covid. Let us not forget that, even in the over 90s, the chance of dying last year from Covid was around 1 in 50, including all the people killed by the government taking the sick out of hospitals and infecting our residential homes, compared to their 1 in 4 chance of dying any year from any cause. Let us not forget that ultimately this is not much worse than flu despite all the lies we have been told.

The nonsense continues, our kids can’t go to school, we can’t go to restaurants or pubs or on holiday, millions have lost their jobs, people are not being normal people. But a few middle age middle class men are happy and self satisfied.

It is right to be angry!

425430 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Laurence, 58, #72 of 1244 🔗

It will never be forgotten or forgiven.

425436 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Laurence, 95, #73 of 1244 🔗

‘Is it right to be angry’? Not angry no. Flocking Furious, ready to revolt, injure, maim. Angry was last March 15th 2020. Ready to string up Wancock, Shitty and Doris on Tyburn is where the sheeple need to be now.

SAGE et al are not doctors. They are Quackademics, ruining your world.

When has a quackademic been acquainted with reality? Never. It is a short hop from a ‘Professor’ to a Totalitarian. See Hegel for more info. I have them in my family. Stupid as doors but more arrogant that a Libtard Doris-chum from Oxford.

Fake data, fake models, fake stats, that the Sheeple have no clue about and blindly support this CV Fascism, with ever-changing objectives, goalposts, and now mandatory testing and vaxx’s coming – for a god damn flu in which 99.7% nicely survive.

Angry? Jesus Christ. If the sheeple don’t stop bleating and start beating, Orwell is your future.

425508 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Laurence, 41, #74 of 1244 🔗

I am not angry I am simply furious and wish nothing but the very worst on these people. I know that if any of them were in the same room as me they would not be getting out alive…. its as simple as that. To me this is evil on a scale unimaginable to me in my previous life before march 2020.

I remember the night after the GE in Dec 2019 a young attractive female doctor saying she wished Johnson would die in a horrible way. It turns out she was right…did she know something we did not…..maybe she should be the new Mystic Meg!

425588 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #75 of 1244 🔗

The very worst for these people is to vote them out of office. Focus on that. The replacements will be just as useless of course.

425783 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 18, #76 of 1244 🔗

The very worst for these people is to vote them out of office.

I doubt we’ll ever get the chance. By the time of the next election life will be over for nearly all of us. We are heading at breakneck speed into the most dangerous of times.

425611 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Boris Bullshit, 10, #77 of 1244 🔗

I bet she loves Fat Brother now.

425637 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #78 of 1244 🔗

Yes thats the ultimate irony…she will now be in full support…all her types are…though of course he should have done it earlier!

425684 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laurence, 1, #79 of 1244 🔗


425711 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Laurence, 9, #80 of 1244 🔗

I fully agree with what you say, but please stop citing Brazil as a non-lockdown country. Of the 26 states and one federal district only TWO are not locked down. I know Wikipedia lists Brazil as non lock-down but it also qualifies that by listing the only two states that aren’t restricted. The 25 other states have lock-down of varying degrees, and in many cases for longer than the UK.

425740 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Laurence, 37, #81 of 1244 🔗

Well said. Is it also that the better educated and people with better jobs will not see the corruption in the government because, well basically, I am fine! My wife has been wfh for a year. When I talk about vaccine abuse or anything about covid bullshit she just puts her la la ears on. I can’t change anything, so why get angry? Lots of us come on here to express feelings we cannot convey to our friends or family. We know, if we go all red pill on them we will lose our friends. Thanks for being here fellow lockdown haters. You are keeping me sane!

425760 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Spikedee1, 24, #82 of 1244 🔗

Nah, go red pill on them anyway!! I did, and whilst my family back in the UK won’t swap anything but anodyne pleasantries with me any more (all firm believers) my circle of friends here has improved dramatically. Some chose to cut of all contact me, but they have been replaced by other “rebels”, so we can discuss and dissect the bullshit freely over a beer or three 🙂

My boss is a firm anti so when the company had to cut back on staff, guess who was shown the door first? We can now rip into the latest dictat from our mini dictator with gusto.

426241 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Sampa, 7, #83 of 1244 🔗

lucky you – I seem to be surrounded by zealots or shrugging defeatists and feel so incredibly powerless with every passing day – it is hard to see what is REALLY going on and not be able to do anything about it.

425742 ▶▶ Silver cat, replying to Laurence, 21, #84 of 1244 🔗

I don’t understand why people can’t see that Boris is a dictator and a tyrant. Why do people continue to follow his rules….I don’t. There is no opposition and we need more people to wake up.

The vaccine is the cause of the recent spike in deaths and it will continue until the vaccinations stop. No excess deaths from may to dec20.

He wants the uk population to be 10m because of his global warming technocracy bollocks. He’s dad has said this in an interview, why don’t people pay more attention to this.

Rise up everyone take your freedoms back

426016 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Laurence, 13, #85 of 1244 🔗

“We look at Ron deSantis in Florida who removed all restrictions, and the outcome was the same as California”


The outcome was better than California. The death rate per capita in Florida is better than that of California, despite having an older population.

Gavin Newsome is facing a recall petition.
Ron DeSantis is being touted as a potential presidential candidate, although he’s reportedly not interested in running. He can do more as governor or senator of Florida than he can as president.

Why can’t we have a leader like DeSantis instead of Boris Bunter?

426146 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to LMS2, 3, #86 of 1244 🔗

DeSantis is correct.

One thing this situation has revealed is how much power the governors of US states hold.

This was shown by states like NY and CA, which told Trump to go pound sand until he was out of office.

426058 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Laurence, 1, #87 of 1244 🔗

Well done L, that’s brilliant!

426142 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Laurence, 6, #88 of 1244 🔗

Don’t forget to count India and their $3 pill packs among the rational responses in the world.

426193 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to awildgoose, 11, #89 of 1244 🔗

And yet the MSM keeps asking why India is doing so well and behaving as if it’s a complete mystery. If they did the most cursory of investigations they would realize that for under $3 per person we could all be doing just as well. Bloody lazy, corrupt buggers.

426628 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Laurence, #90 of 1244 🔗

Lawrence, please enter politics, I’d vote for you.

425423 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 25, #91 of 1244 🔗

Last night on the BBC it claimed that one in two hundred people had covid but if you look on the website it claims the average area as 114 per 100,000 which is one in 870 people. Can anyone explain what is going on ?

425426 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Derek Toyne, 52, #92 of 1244 🔗

BBC is lying. You ought to know that. Extra homework for you tonight.

425462 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Annie, 12, #93 of 1244 🔗

Maybe your right I noticed this discrepancy when the government claimed 2% of the population had covid about a month or so back.
The ZOE covid tracker app claimed only 1% but which ever way you look at it the numbers are not about truth but about frightening people. To me it would be far more truthful to say 99.88% are covid free but then people would say why are we in lockdown when so few are infected.

425435 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Derek Toyne, 24, #94 of 1244 🔗

Why watch the Bullshit Bolshie Crap? Turn it off and poof, the ‘pandemic’, the fraud, the made up numbers, all disappear. No Fake News on this pandemic 24-7, you would not know CV 19 existed.

425512 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FerdIII, 7, #95 of 1244 🔗

I don’t pay a TV Licence or ever buy a newspaper or watch any TV. I would never had heard of CV19 in my own life if it had not been for the media and government and NHS and local councils spewing bullshit at us 24/7.

426085 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #96 of 1244 🔗

I’m same as you M8

425793 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Derek Toyne, 4, #97 of 1244 🔗

I think they are using the idiotic number from the covid statistics that is total cases. This is currently at 4.1 million. So this is from March. What has nobody ever got fucking better? If you take their bullshit figure’s go back 14 days this is probably your current sick list. (I know the numbers are bollocks i am just playing their game) so going back 14 days gives us 178k. In 66 million people. Or .27% of the country. And we are in lockdown for this?

Interestingly looking at the numbers we were at 60k positives the beginning of the year we are now at 11k. But whats really interesting is that they are still doing 600k tests a day on average in Feb but are only finding 2% positive. Considering the FPR on this many test is about 2% I think its safe to say covid is totally gone. Oh dear is this why they need to test the kids to get the numbers up?

426225 ▶▶ Silver cat, replying to Derek Toyne, #98 of 1244 🔗

Don’t watch the bbc it’s full of shit

425425 alw, replying to alw, 16, #99 of 1244 🔗

I have no faith in GMC doing anything. They have been dysfunctional for years and in need of reform.

425750 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, #100 of 1244 🔗


425427 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 63, #101 of 1244 🔗

After reading a teaser article in the Telegraph, suggesting that we might be able to meet our families outdoors for Easter (why thank you Mr Boris) I wrote this.

Roadmap Hope

I’ve heard the roadmap rumours,
I’m hoping they are true,
My family just might see me,
They don’t think like me and you.

If Boris tells them stay at home,
Then that’s what they will to do,
They’ve heard the propaganda,
And believed it to be true.

It’s left me broken-hearted,
To watch them fade away,
They follow all the rules,
Their new cult they must obey.

They follow all the leaders,
For the NHS they cheer,
Their masks, their safety blankets,
Help them handle all they fear.

They say I’m just so selfish,
I don’t care who I might kill,
That I would rather have my freedom,
And make other people ill.

It’s people just like me,
Who are causing this lockdown
If I’d only choose to follow rules,
We wouldn’t be here now.

I’ve tried to help them understand,
But my words fall on deaf ears,
The problem is I scare them,
My words fulfil their fears.

It’s all my fault they tell me,
I hear their accusations,
I’ve had to give up sharing,
I can’t do those conversations.

I know that I could walk away,
But love keeps holding on,
Division is the Devil’s game,
And I won’t play along.

I’m holding out a hope,
That one day they’ll awake,
Their blind eyes will be opened,
And they’ll see that it’s all fake.

425434 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Liberty, 4, #102 of 1244 🔗

Very good. Like the last two verses particularly.

425513 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Liberty, 10, #103 of 1244 🔗

Lovely poem…wish I could be as understanding as you. I have walked away from some…they have pushed me too far…do I really want people in my life who want me to live in an open prison?

425547 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Boris Bullshit, 12, #104 of 1244 🔗

I really do understand, it’s so frustrating and some days it just makes me cry. I think my faith helps, because as a Christian I know I am forgiven for all the stuff I’ve done wrong, that helps me to forgive others. I feel that until I’ve walked a day in their shoes, listened to the same propaganda, had the same conversations as them and been born with their personalities then how can I judge them by my standards? We all fall short of perfection and thankfully others love me when I do or say the wrong thing. What I do know is that love is better than hate and unity better than division and so I choose love, but it is so hard.

425643 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Liberty, 5, #105 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for that…I shall have to remember that. However to be honest some of them have disowned me!

425668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Boris Bullshit, 23, #106 of 1244 🔗

My step mother yelled at me for 30 minutes (in response to me saying that it was sad that people in care homes were lonely) when we were in a restaurant beer garden last September, she hasn’t spoken to me since. Sadly my father is influenced by her, so although he wears the lanyard I gave him instead of a mask, he is being brainwashed by her fear. I haven’t seen him since either and I am not able to phone home for fear of being yelled at again, I am not emotionally strong enough to take her abuse. My Dad and I communicate via letter and email.

425703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liberty, 17, #107 of 1244 🔗

It’s strange how they get angry isn’t it? My mum is the same. Really very very strange. She hasn’t yelled at me but she has hung the phone up on me a few times and she gets really aggressive defending the bullshit. I just can’t talk to her now as it “goes wrong” every time.

425720 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Two-Six, 10, #108 of 1244 🔗

I think it’s part of the cult-like brainwashing. It’s horrible to watch. I have to watch my words though and pray before I speak because if my external words always reflected my internal feelings, I would have alienated quite a lot of people by now!

425829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Two-Six, 13, #109 of 1244 🔗

Because they know they are right. The BBC had told them. That nice Mr handjob tells them. Their newspaper tells them. GMB tells them. And that lovely Dr Hilary tells them. How can they be wrong and you be right. You are not a doctor!! Look at the deaths, I never looked before but look at them now. Look at the hospitals, look at all those covidiots gathering on the beach!!

We have no voice folks. Only on YouTube and on here and occasionally on twitter. But old folk don’t watch that stuff. We will have our “see I fucking told you so ” moment but it will be after the event.

426107 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liberty, 3, #110 of 1244 🔗

How very sad. Yet another indication of how relationships have been but under strain by lockdown. I’m glad though that you are still in communication with your father.

426246 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Liberty, 2, #111 of 1244 🔗

I am so sorry to hear that Liberty – I have had that at times from my family and it really does hurt. I hope that one day soon something momentous will really happen so that the scales can be lifted from their eyes and they will see you were right all along. It is hard having to see what is really going on and being denigrated as a tin foil hat wearer or whatever. Keep the faith.

425696 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liberty, 1, #112 of 1244 🔗

Great stuff.

425978 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Liberty, 4, #113 of 1244 🔗

I heard the news on Classic FM. I thought, “Yay! An increase in the chocolate ration! Another bottle of Victory Gin!”

425428 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #114 of 1244 🔗

Am I right in thinking that foetus’s are to be tested next?

425429 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #115 of 1244 🔗

Probably jabbed in utero.

425431 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 3, #116 of 1244 🔗


425479 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #117 of 1244 🔗

Sperm sanitizer nay be purchased online from an outfit owned by Wankok’s step-brother.

426111 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #118 of 1244 🔗

And, at the other end of the scale, sperm whales – could well be carriers.

425433 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #119 of 1244 🔗

White ones to be jabbed, aborted. Opt outs only for BAME etc. You know risks, Warming, hottest day evah, CV 19 super spreaders etc.

425834 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to FerdIII, #120 of 1244 🔗

So a doomcock fan Eh?

425464 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #121 of 1244 🔗

Seriously???? !!!!!! By now – I’d believe it…

425517 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #122 of 1244 🔗

You are right in thinking that any deaths of foetus’s in a pregnant woman vaccine death will not be counted as a death. That will be regarded as ‘collateral damage’.

426253 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Fingerache Philip, #123 of 1244 🔗

surely it is all left handed people, or people who wear contact lenses or somesuch daft proposition to justify the propaganda, sorry, endless mass testing

425439 TJN, replying to TJN, #124 of 1244 🔗

Bravo to whoever suggested ‘Maybe Tomorrow’ in today’s theme tunes. I’ve still got a copy buried away in the attic somewhere.

425477 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 9, #125 of 1244 🔗

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow…
…and all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death.

And we all know who the fools are.

425527 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, #126 of 1244 🔗

I think there is a Joan Armatrading song called ‘Is it tomorrow yet’?

425580 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 3, #127 of 1244 🔗

Ah, the gloomy Scotsman, excellent.

Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

Prescient reference to the sainted and scented Gwinny there, remarkable how often Simpsons and Bob see the future too. Lots of bad actors out there this time certainly.

425658 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 2, #128 of 1244 🔗

Dost thou think because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale?

Done that form memory so it might be a bit incorrect in detail.

I’m sure there must. be loads of Lear quotes suitable for here. But I have a feeling we can no say we’re no longer at the worst, with conviction.

425688 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to TJN, 1, #129 of 1244 🔗

One I like:

As full of grief as age, wretched in both.

425818 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #130 of 1244 🔗

Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say

The other play I’ve been intending to relook at in the light of this shitshow is Othello. Of course, it’s always said to be about jealousy. But to me it’s about phycological collapse owing to doubt. I’ve always found Othello’s collapse quite unnerving, as it’s so true to life.

We all need bedrock to base ourselves on, but for many people this bedrock is fragile – hence why so many have been brainwashed. Sceptics, I reckon, are made of much sterner stuff.

425853 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to TJN, 6, #131 of 1244 🔗

I wrote this as the basis for a new song I am working on. Not ironed all the bugs out yet its not flowing yet but I was on hold to virgin and it just came out.

You, you call me danger
Why, why I wear a mask
You, you scream in anger
For the question that I ask.

But don’t drag me down,
Don’t give me misery
Don’t wear me down with darkness,
I am free, I am free, I am free

You, you say my freedom,
Is, is all down to you
You, you lock me into prison
When you know it isn’t true.


Now you turn off the light
Take away my hope,
Way out of this madness
Is at the end of a rope.

You, you say its the science,
Is, is that really fact,
You, you demand obedience,
I have no power to retract!

425892 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Spikedee1, #132 of 1244 🔗

That’s a powerful song. It is full of the hopeless feelings brought about by our current situation. Without wishing to diminish any of your words, I thought of an alternative to the concept of suicide in the bridge, just as my own expression of hope, not a suggestion that you should change your words in any way.

Now you turn off the light
Take away my hope,
Way out of this madness
Only God can help me cope.

I love to hear people creatively expressing their feelings in verse. I find it very cathartic to verbalise the turmoil of emotions churning round.

426092 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #133 of 1244 🔗

Yes, that’s pretty potent – have you got a tune? Song words can rarely be separated from the tune, methinks (although I know nothing about music).

I would confuse it all a bit and turn on the enemy: – e.g. ‘I am me, not thee, I am free’

‘Now you turn away from light
Take away your hope
Infect me with your madness
Dance at the end of a rope

You can see why I’ve never tried poetry or songwriting!

425736 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 3, #134 of 1244 🔗

Inspired by the film ‘Annie’

The truth might come out tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow
That it won’t
Just thinkin’ about tomorrow
Fill’s my heart with sadness and with sorrow
freedom’s gone
When I’m stuck a with day that’s grey and lonely
I just stick out my chin and grin, and say, oh
The truth might come out tomorrow
So you gotta hang on ’til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow, tomorrow
I hope for tomorrow
You’re always a day away

426532 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 1, #135 of 1244 🔗

I’ll hang on for all the tomorrows that it takes.

425664 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, #136 of 1244 🔗

First verse of the song:

Sometmes I just feel these crazy dreams inside

People hiding behind uniforms, scream aloud and shout tonight

Point your fingers and question why

Scared, scared people won’t smile, I don’t know …

The song ends:

Reality, or just lies? (maybe tomorrow)

Be good now, and don’t do nothing (maybe tomorrow)

Bang, bang, bang, bang, you’re dead

Many of the songs suggested for theme tunes here are suitable only for their titles – but the whole theme of this one could have been written for today. It never did anything (back in 1980), and I’d largely forgotten about it until I saw it in today’s list. Far better than anything The Jam ever did, imv.

Again, well done to whoever suggested it! Will you reveal yourself?

425440 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 16, #137 of 1244 🔗

Still no articles on the Vaxx dead and injured or the experimental nature of the poison.

Oh I know why. LDS has always supported vaxx’ and Professor Shitty (a wonderful doctor LDS claims, he is not a Dr. he is lectern spouting moron) who is against the Barrington Declaration and a vaxx-ist.

LDS late 2020: ‘vaxx’s are the way out of this..’

And now? As the conspiracy theorists pointed out they don’t stop transmission, they might reduce symptoms for a small % and they injure and kill.

A jab a variant eh? Updated passport every month? Get the kiddies a jab every week?

LDS, the Vaxxist site.

425441 ▶▶ TJN, replying to FerdIII, 20, #138 of 1244 🔗

I know, LDS doesn’t appear to want to address the vaccine question. In particular, it should be discussing:

1. Whether they are safe.
2. Whether people are in actuality giving informed consent when they are given them – or whether large numbers of people are effectively being duped.
3. The abomination of even suggesting mandation.
4. The possible links between the perpetrators of lockdown and the vaccine producers.

But addressing these would mean edgy, risky journalism.

Having said this, I thought today’s update was pretty good. I like the variation of the authors’ different styles – in keeping with which a few more days by Toby would be good, as he has an inimitable humour which can be very powerful.

425511 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to TJN, 12, #139 of 1244 🔗

I assume LDS is lockdown sceptics so here goes every drug or vaccine is not 100% effective or safe to believe or demand otherwise is not living in the real world. I believe vaccines should only be given to those who need it like those with impaired immunity such as the elderly and sick and those who want it. Why government and employer’s are talking about vaccine passports is illogical because a vaccine is not a shield but better weapons for fighting a virus. So you can still get infected and be infectious to your fellow humans all a vaccine does is stop you getting severe pneumonia. The lockdown as interfered with the natural process of getting infected recovery and immune to covid. So the government as not only robbed a year of life but giving us back artificial immunity which was stolen by not allowing people to develop immunity naturally.

425537 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Derek Toyne, 10, #140 of 1244 🔗

That is not the conventional definition of a vaccine. What you have described is a treatment to alleviate symptoms.

425995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #141 of 1244 🔗

I agree the covid vaccine is like the flu vaccine you can still catch the virus but your symptoms will be a whole better. This will lead to fewer people in hospital and deaths. Lastly why isn’t anybody talking about why the vast majority of us don’t need a vaccine because we all have immunity.

425937 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #142 of 1244 🔗

Your post just put me in mind of the mandatory vaccines for childhood illnesses, measles and such. If the measles vaccine didn’t prevent children from getting or transmitting measles, would there be as much of an uproar in schools about requiring childhood immunisations? I don’t have kids myself, so I may be missing something here. Personally, I had measles when I was a kid so I’m immune anyway.

425467 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FerdIII, 8, #143 of 1244 🔗

Valid point if so. I’d not clicked to not noticing any reports of vax injuries and deaths on here. Not sure whether there’s been any reports of employees blackmailed into having the vax against their will by employers either??? Those reports are coming out already and some people are clearly suffering very badly from the vax – and that’s before most have had the 2nd one. Looks like anyone that can find a way to stick up these missing vax injury/death reports needs to put them up in comments – to ensure they do go up here.

425483 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to ElizaP, 2, #144 of 1244 🔗

Well it looks as if I will be joining the no symptoms at all list after the jab yesterday (AZ). Early days but I haven’t died yet…

425549 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to davews, 12, #145 of 1244 🔗

In the limited trials the second dose produced a lot more adverse reactions.Also you have no way of knowing what it will do in the medium term let alone long term.
Good luck

425874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #146 of 1244 🔗

Exactly. I have always believed the main danger from the vaccines was the long-term risk of ADE rather than the short-term risk of an immediate reaction to the vaccine.

426262 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to jonathan Palmer, #147 of 1244 🔗

Yes, that would be my take on it too. some of my friends have had dose one and think it is no biggie – but I’m wondering what happens when they get their second dose. Time will tell.

425857 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to ElizaP, #148 of 1244 🔗

And they are now delaying the second jab? Why?

425542 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FerdIII, 28, #149 of 1244 🔗

I think we have to be very wary of anyone who says…yes lets get out of lockdown but yes lets keep the vaccines and keep the masks and yes lets keep the anti social distancing. Its a bit like saying yes lets get rid of communist central planning but yes lets keep the Gulags and the KGB and the re education camps.

The whole lot are intricately mixed up together and they all need rejecting on mass.

ATL have either been cowardly about the ‘vaccine’ or they are enthusiasts for it which is even worse.

I used the inverted commas on the word as there are many medical experts who argue it is not a vaccine at all its a treatment. Vaccines provide immunity to the vaccinated and prevent them transmitting it to others. This ‘vaccine’ does neither so how is it one? Chemotherapy is a treatment for cancer but no one in their right mind suggests it should be mandatory for all including the vast majority of the population who do not have cancer.

We need a more comprehensive understanding of this whole attack on humanity than we are ever going to get from ATL. That requires moving beyond ‘government mistakes and incompetence’.

425442 Janette, replying to Janette, 25, #150 of 1244 🔗

That’s an excellent letter the Munro-Halls have written to Saga. I hope they let us know the outcome.

426268 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Janette, 2, #151 of 1244 🔗

I thought that it was brilliant AND, if you take it to its logical conclusion, not only can it be used in argument against any company which refuses to provide a service unless you have the vaxx does it not also deliver a massive blow to the whole vaccine passport case – to require someone to have a vaccine passport by extension requires them to have the vaccine ergo they are practising medicine without a licence and putting people at risk of all the harms outlined in the munro hall letter in breach of the nuremberg code and the council of europe resolution. It gave me a tiny bit of hope.

425443 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 160, #152 of 1244 🔗

In some ways, it is not only the lockdown and vaccine-pushing that makes me feel frustrated, angry, and despondent, but how my own family have reacted to it.

I had a telephone conversation with my mum (mid-fifties, no underlying conditions) last night, and I told her that I probably wouldn’t be having the vaccine. She then said ‘Well, people need to play their part, if they want to get out of lockdown then they have to get the vaccine!’ Interesting that she framed it in terms of getting out of restrictions rather than in terms of any health benefit or protection.

I then calmly explained to her that I am a healthy 22-year-old to whom Covid poses virtually zero risk of serious illness or death, so why would I take an unknown risk of having unlicensed, experimental medical treatment when I don’t need it? I also explained to her that coercing people to have medical treatment just to participate in society and avoid becoming second-class citizens was a violation of informed and free consent. All perfectly reasonable, I said nothing that would be traditionally classed as a ‘conspiracy theory’, but instead I just got back, ‘Stop reading all that rubbish online’. Likewise to her, stop watching all the rubbish the MSM
spews out on an hourly basis.

I know I shouldn’t be angry at her, I know the government are trying its utmost to divide people, but there is something so exquisitely awful and disturbing at seeing your own flesh and blood robotically parroting the government line and thinking it’s acceptable for fundamental rights to be conditional upon taking a medical treatment whose benefits are not entirely clear. All this, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It is completely insane, and as someone on here said yesterday, it’s as if previously moderate people have just been lobotomised.

I really think that a lot of people know deep down that this is a total mess and has all been for nothing, but because they have invested almost a year of their lives in the lockdown ideology, believing that what they’re doing is for the greater good, that they’ll take any old medical treatment, regardless of the risks, just to feel as if it was all worth it.

425451 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 63, #153 of 1244 🔗

That’s really appalling Poppy and its not only confined to this country. My family come from & live overseas and I’ve been avoiding them because I’ve been bullied by my father & brother-in-law, the former with his endless sending of mask videos (even after I told him that I coudn’t wear one) and and the latter patronisingly telling me to “stay indoors” after the third lockdown was announced. Funny how they see fit to preach from their priviledged positions.

I really think that a lot of people know deep down that this is a total mess and has all been for nothing, but because they have invested almost a year of their lives in the lockdown ideology, believing that what they’re doing is for the greater good, that they’ll take any old medical treatment, regardless of the risks, just to feel as if it was all worth it.

And this is the crux of the matter, many people deep down realised they’ve been had but rather than to admit that they’ve swallowed a lie, continue to be complicit in the government’s lies and do their dirty work for them.

425485 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 29, #154 of 1244 🔗

Yes, the Covicult is in large part a ritualisation of the sunk cost fallacy.

425942 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ovis, 16, #155 of 1244 🔗

Sunk costs are a powerful driver of human behaviour and I suspect a number of unhappy marriages as well.

426302 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #156 of 1244 🔗

Management accounting theory says sunk costs are irrelevant for future decision making!

425453 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Poppy, 63, #157 of 1244 🔗

The divide and conquer tactics of this government are one reason I will never vote for them again, if we get the chance!. I was told yesterday that ‘something needs to be done with these people who won’t get vaccinated, they need to be stopped from going to places, or it will just spread again’, I said sounds like segregation, long pause then,’well something needs to be done’. Critical thinking is in short supply

425484 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 24, #158 of 1244 🔗

Critical thinking is the main casualty of this virus.

425501 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to DanClarke, 25, #159 of 1244 🔗

Critical thinking was deliberately destroyed by the psy-ops.
It’s going to be a long road back for most people – so long they might never make it to the end. The bastard SPI-M people won’t be so keen even to attempt to reverse the damage.

425544 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 23, #160 of 1244 🔗

The hard hitting emotional messaging emanated from SPI-B.
It’s effects are all around us as evidenced by the swervers,jumpers and face turners out there.
A psychological attack on the British public.

425717 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to jonathan Palmer, 17, #161 of 1244 🔗


425948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Two-Six, 6, #162 of 1244 🔗

I’m going to post a link to an interesting paper: “COVID-19 and the Political Economy of Mass Hysteria” – https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/4/1376/htm .

It’s an academic paper. I believe the authors are coming from a libertarian perspective. It makes some interesting points about ways that governments can drive the mass psychosis process.

425875 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #163 of 1244 🔗

what is SPI-M? i think w e need a glossary. i finally figured out a tl and b tl though.
thank you all commenters . dont get the vaccine i wont . florida is sounding so wonderful

425523 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to DanClarke, 30, #164 of 1244 🔗

What gets me, is if they believe this is a real vaccine, that is they achieve immunity, and all the vulnerable people are vaccinated, why are they worried that others are not vaccinated, if in their head they are protected. They always like to use the yellow fever example, so you take a real vaccine before entering certain African countries and it is of no concern the level of vaccinated in the populous because you are protected. Guess it is just like mask wearing, if it so damned effective why do I need to wear one and those who are soooo scared, just wear 2 and leave me be.
As you said, no basic critical thinking.

425533 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hattie, 18, #165 of 1244 🔗

The virtue signalling of ‘protecting others’ seems to have made them take leave of their senses, its an infectious madness that may disappear, as it takes a lot to be continually virtuous, most people haven’t got it in them.

425534 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to DanClarke, 27, #166 of 1244 🔗

Indeed. If someone in our society voiced an opinion like that in 2019 they would be rightly shunned, and now it’s seen as morally right. How far we have fallen in such a short time.

425583 ▶▶▶ MFvH, replying to DanClarke, 21, #167 of 1244 🔗

I agree. I personally don’t think anti lockdown people are defined by age, sex or economic circumstances.
Poppy’s mother is in my age bracket, but I for one would prefer my daughter in her twenties does not get vaccinated. Simply not necessary as her risk of getting severe disease is minimal.

425949 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to MFvH, 9, #168 of 1244 🔗

Certainly the sceptics on this site cover various combinations of age, sex, economic circumstances, and I would add politics.

426276 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to DanClarke, 2, #169 of 1244 🔗

In the not too distant future the non-vaccinated will correlate with the unemployed.

425473 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Poppy, 24, #170 of 1244 🔗

That is indeed shocking that her main reason for having the vax seems to be in order not to suffer Vax Apartheid – rather than for any (misbegotten) medical reason. I was assuming everyone daft enough to have it was doing so for medical reasons basically (despite the few who have said they’d be daft enough to have it in order not to be forbidden from flying).

425504 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to ElizaP, 32, #171 of 1244 🔗

This is more common than you think. I’ve heard of quite a few people like my sister who had the vaccine because she’d had enough of being asked by her friends and family when she was going to do it – she just got worn down by the zealots and the sense that she was not one of them… I can’t talk to her in the same way any more.

426311 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jos, 3, #172 of 1244 🔗

Giving into peer pressure is the sign of a weak personality I’m afraid.

425492 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Poppy, 24, #173 of 1244 🔗

I am sorry you are facing this. Your post sums up a great deal of what is wrong.

425514 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Poppy, 24, #174 of 1244 🔗

All too common response I’m afraid Poppy. People have lost the ability to look at all aspects of the argument, the facts and make their own proportional decision based on their individual risks and values. Just take it as a given that the government is right, hmmm just tell them if they remember thalidomide.
I had a similar conversation with my brother recently who is getting da vaxx next week and I got on my soap box and told him stuff the msm doesn’t and sent him some reputable sources re adverse reactions and deaths etc. It got him thinking but i reckon he’ll still get it. These adverse reactions are all very well on a piece of paper as happening to other people, but if it happens to him he’d be laughing on the other side of his face if he got a severe reaction, especially bells palsy!

425529 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to penelope pitstop, 38, #175 of 1244 🔗

Exactly, I feel like older generations especially grew up in a time when they could trust the government to act in their best interests, but how far standards have fallen. People just cannot countenance that the government may act against their interests. The members of current government have done many things that even 15 years ago would have been cause for resignation (see Hancock’s recent brush with the law) but they still cling on in their rotten, corrupt cabal.

425539 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Poppy, 10, #176 of 1244 🔗

Good morning, Poppy. Excellent sensible post, thank you.

425562 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Poppy, 22, #177 of 1244 🔗

Maybe you should be angry at her Poppy…she was very disrespectful to you suggesting you should ‘play your part’ in getting out of lockdown when you never wanted to get into it. Surely thats her job as she no doubt supported it in the first place. She was also very insulting about the ‘rubbish you read online’ as opposed to the MSN fully paid for by government and global billionaires.

My mother is dead now but would have been just the same as yours. Its very frustrating and it makes you lose faith in them and doubt their intelligence. I do feel for you. Maybe its best to just never discuss it with her…I think thats the approach I would have had to take or relations would have frayed too far.

I wonder what happened in those families in 1930s Germany when some family members ended up supporting the Nazis.

426071 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #178 of 1244 🔗

My son told me months ago he was not interested in what I had sent him. I told him I was therefore in an abusive relationship and that he was the abuser.

426315 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bungle, 1, #179 of 1244 🔗

Yes its time for you not to be interested in him. How utterly rude of him.

425568 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Poppy, 12, #180 of 1244 🔗

Perhaps you should have deployed your super power and invoked the risk of infertility raised by Yeadon et al.

426279 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #181 of 1244 🔗

I have tried to explain that to people – they just don’t get it and are still determined to get the vaxx – they see it as their passport out of this lockdown mess – they don’t seem to see that by being so keen to get it that it is just another ticket into the mess that will be our future and they have voluntarily bought it.

425614 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to Poppy, 18, #182 of 1244 🔗

Poppy, well said and interesting to read your comment as I sort of, have the opposite issue. I am a mid 50’s very healthy lady, and my daughter is exactly your age. While she knows my views and agrees with most of them, she wears a mask as she ‘does not want any hassle’, and I have an utterly nightmarish feeling that she will take the vaccine (she knows my views on this also – untested in long term, and not needed for the vast majority of people). I know for certain that she will not take it because she needs it, rather, she will take it to ‘get out of lockdown’. So she isn’t so blind, shall we say, as your mum, but she will still conform to the nonsense to try to get her life back. It’s utterly depressing. My mum, who is 78, is also sceptical like me but is also very pro-vax, so she has had her first shot and does think all should have it (but that is more based on her love of vaccines than Covid). Your last paragraph was very insightful, and I tend to agree with you.

425733 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 15, #183 of 1244 🔗

I really do find it strange to say the least that your mum wants you to get the jab considering how it might affect your health and especially your fertility.

It really is very un-natural for a mother to actually want something for her child that might in any way, how ever small cause harm.

It is an utter perversion of humanity and its all down to THE PSY-OP.

Really it’s terrible. Obviously resist getting the jab, for you it’s pointless and it will be a much bigger risk to you than not getting it. Protecting others is as we well know not relevant at all.

Hopefully soon people will realise what a scam this all is. They will be ashamed of themselves.

425811 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Two-Six, 13, #184 of 1244 🔗

Let’s just say that I have never really got on very well with my mum and she has acted against my interests in the past. We have had a strained relationship for a long time but the Covid bollocks has made it ten times worse and any hope of a reconciliation seems to recede by the day.

426317 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Poppy, 4, #185 of 1244 🔗

Its sadly true that just because she is your mother she does not necessarily put your interests first. In my experience parents can be as selfish as anyone else. You are the best judge of your interests so tell her to go swivel.

425805 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Poppy, 8, #186 of 1244 🔗

Well said Poppy. For you at your age, it is certain that the Covid-19 vaccines can have no benefit. That will also likely apply to the rest of us, no matter what age we are.

The vaccines present serious risks and they will want to inject all of us every six months for the rest of what will be purposely curtailed lives. Far better to make a stand now and refuse the “vaccines” before any damage is done.

426038 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Poppy, 5, #187 of 1244 🔗

The whole “everyone needs to do their part” but sounds very communist, i.e. collective responsibility, instead of individual responsibility.
Plus: just because something is published online, it doesn’t automatically mean it has no truth.
The BBC published articles online. So do most scientific journals. Are they all suspect because they’re online and not on tv? Since when did anything on tv mean it’s more authoritative than any other outlet? She’s heard of Russian propaganda: why does she assume our government doesn’t do the same?

426094 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to LMS2, 9, #188 of 1244 🔗

It is absolutely communist and something I deeply disagree with personally. Funnily enough, my mum was denouncing Jeremy Corbyn’s policies back during the 2019 GE as ‘communist’, but apparently coercive medical treatment for the abtract ‘collective effort’ is acceptable. Just goes to show that the psy-op has totally warped people’s minds.

426274 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Poppy, 9, #189 of 1244 🔗

I am in the same boat Poppy – I was hugely saddened to hear my Dad say “we all have to play our part” as if he had fallen for the “we are all in this together” guff spewed out by MSM. My parents watch the MSM news bulletins and believe every word – why would they be lying to us? I keep trying to explain and suggest that we should do our own thing and they just come back with “but that is against the rules” and in my head I am screaming “but the rules are just lies”, but they really do genuinely believe it. The BBC propaganda machine has been incredibly successful.

426321 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Spearthrower Owl, 5, #190 of 1244 🔗

We all have to play our part to reverse something that we never wanted in the first place. Stuff that one Dad.

426357 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Poppy, 6, #191 of 1244 🔗

I am old enough to BE your parent and yet, I have exactly the same problem with mine!!

425444 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 51, #192 of 1244 🔗

Woke up this morning to see SAGE members Susan Michie and Prof Janet Lord have been on Newsnight. Edmunds on Marr tomorrow.

They are a fucking nuisance, aren’t they?

425491 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #193 of 1244 🔗

Yes, especially ‘Masks are forever’ Edmunds, really hate that guy!

425500 ▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #194 of 1244 🔗

Great article in Office yesterday about Edmunds and Mitchell deeply deeply vested pharmaceutical interests. Well worth a read

425503 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #195 of 1244 🔗

Do you have a link to the article?

425515 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to isobar, 2, #196 of 1244 🔗

I’ll post it. Give me an hour as can’take at the moment.

425519 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Dominich, #197 of 1244 🔗

Thanks in advance!

425582 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #199 of 1244 🔗

Thanks, unbelievable, recommended reading!!

426234 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to Tom Blackburn, #200 of 1244 🔗

Fortunately the viewing figures for news night are dismal

425445 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 62, #201 of 1244 🔗

So sad. We have not seen much of our 5 year old grandson since the tail end of last year despite living only 10 mins from each other. He’s a single child and has had some ‘essential worker’ schooling but is desperately missing contact with school friends and cousins of similar age.

My daughter tells us he was watching late afternoon tv and said to his mother – could he go and see ‘Pointless’ the tv show. Mum asks why and he says he just wanted to sit in an audience.

It made me well up inside. So much damage knowingly being done at all levels of society by so many who don’t care a jot.

425468 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Robin Birch, 5, #202 of 1244 🔗

Great post and sad. What amazing things children say.

425478 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Robin Birch, 14, #203 of 1244 🔗

Poor little mite – so desperate for contact that he’d even take just sitting by a lot of people to get it. I know the feeling – even as an adult (that would promptly decide which person sitting near me looked the chattiest and start up a conversation if I could).

425446 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 26, #204 of 1244 🔗

Always been a law abiding citizen and now we have this lot on their ego/power trip ignoring the law and expecting us to abide by what they say. Anyone can use the ‘unprecedented’ excuse, but they had the time to dish out the contracts and not in a random way, in fact they look carefully selected, so they had the time to do it legally. Drain the swamp and do it well, is what I say.

425460 ▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 9, #205 of 1244 🔗

Yes and start now!

425747 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 17, #206 of 1244 🔗

The people who hid Anne Frank

were breaking the law

The people who killed her

were following it

426054 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Victoria, 3, #207 of 1244 🔗


425447 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 111, #208 of 1244 🔗

I see the latest good news from the buffoon is we can see our family outside in April. Hate to tell him, but I have had my kids over for dinner two or three times a week since day one. I have seen my 80 year old parents once or twice a week since day one.
No lying and manipulative government has and will stop that.
I didn’t do test and trace, never had a test and will not. My kids are all key workers, worked every day since day one, neither of them has had a test or do test and trace either.
My parents are now jabbed, my children under 30 so next to no risk. I and my wife are mid 50s so more chance of getting and dying of something more horrible.
Life goes on despite the buffoon believing him and hand job are running the country.
We are all dying it just depends how much you enjoy yourself and quality of life until the day comes.
Keep up the great work buffoon, your day is coming when you and hand job will be held to account.

425457 ▶▶ John David, replying to John Ballard, 13, #209 of 1244 🔗

Well said!

425470 ▶▶ Annie, replying to John Ballard, 7, #210 of 1244 🔗

Well said, keep up up the good work.

425521 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to John Ballard, 33, #211 of 1244 🔗

Very envious of you. I would love to have seen family but sadly they follow the rules to the letter. I wonder how many people are out there who would like to break the rules but can’t because they have no-one to visit who is also willing to break them.

425571 ▶▶▶ coulie45, replying to Poppy, 6, #212 of 1244 🔗

A very good point.

425598 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Poppy, 10, #213 of 1244 🔗

yeh, that’s me. my children live 200 miles away. they are not lockdown believers, but they are afraid of getting fined.

425729 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to JaneHarry, 14, #214 of 1244 🔗

I went on a 200 mile round trip yesterday to my daughters. I took 1 grandchild with me and saw the other two there. I only saw two police cars and they were attending a crash on the A1. ie. doing real police work.

426286 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to rose, 2, #215 of 1244 🔗

imagine – police doing real police work!!

425646 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Poppy, 4, #216 of 1244 🔗


425652 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Poppy, 17, #217 of 1244 🔗

Lots Poppy including me and my partner. We offer but get stonewalled including by her father who has always claimed to be a left wing rebellious rebel. When it came to a time to be serious about rebellion he fell at the first post and was revealed to be a charlatan.

426283 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Poppy, 2, #218 of 1244 🔗

Hear Hear – I think we ALL need to break the rubbish “rules” to make them unenforceable and just start living our lives again – what are they going to do?

425559 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to John Ballard, 8, #219 of 1244 🔗

Thanks, inspiring, note to self: Must try harder.

425601 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to John Ballard, 16, #220 of 1244 🔗

I would like to meet Johnson outside in April…it would be the last announcement he ever made thats for sure.

425634 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to John Ballard, 21, #221 of 1244 🔗

Same here John. Have seen my mum who is in her 70’s all the way through, and even before us single people were allowed a ‘bubble’! We both will be travelling down to Brighton tomorrow to see my daughter and her fella (again, have been doing this as normal). I have refused all along to let those shits in power tell me when/where I can see my family!

425450 isobar, replying to isobar, 29, #222 of 1244 🔗

First story in the Round UP

‘Families will be reunited by Easter: Boris Johnson is set to allow outdoor get-togethers next month under ‘roadmap’ out of lockdown – while pubs could serve outdoors in April’

Worth looking at to see how hostile the best rated readers comments are.

More evidence I think that people have had enough of this shitshow.

425455 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to isobar, 11, #223 of 1244 🔗

Setting out a roadmap as if they have credibility to run other people’s lives, the story about Hancock is taking off

425474 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 21, #224 of 1244 🔗

Dead right about the Hancock story. Best rated readers comments in the Mailonline article are calling for his blood!


425589 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to isobar, 19, #225 of 1244 🔗

I always thought Hancock would be the first to get thrown under the bus, and it will certainly be an enjoyable spectacle to watch his skeleton being crunched under the wheels. a small treat to cheer us up in our relentless misery.

425506 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to DanClarke, 23, #226 of 1244 🔗

As it has been revealed that Hancock lied to parliament about the vit D trials, and understanding that misleading parliament is a big deal, how come this man is still walking, or has he benefited from some of his chum’s, Blair, teflon status.

425615 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Hattie, 12, #227 of 1244 🔗

He also misled the House when he said the vaccine was given “clinical authorisation.” Not strictly true, authorisation was for temporary emergency supply by the DHSC, not full UK marketing authorisation.

He also said, this is a vaccine “we can all believe in.” yet the Gov own published info. at the time indicates it wasn’t for children. nor for people who have acute severe febrile illness. nor had it been studied in conjunction with any other medication someone might be on. not recommended before or during pregnancy. and any effect on fertility was completely unknown. Subsequently most of Europe decided it wasn’t for anyone over 65 too. So, apart from being factually wrong he was almost correct. 🙂

425518 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 12, #228 of 1244 🔗

No chance of such a major regime figure going.They can’t afford to have him outside.In normal times this would build up to a crescendo and he would be gone,but we no longer live in a functioning democracy

425536 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to isobar, 17, #229 of 1244 🔗

The comments are very hostile until the censors get to work.I posted yesterday on the Littlejohn article.It was never shown.Also I noticed the comments went from 1700 to around 1000.
Even to believers of this story there is no logical reason why lockdown cannot be lifted now that the vulnerable have been ‘vaccinated’.
After the long phoney war during the winter I feel the next few weeks will begin to get very interesting.

426076 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #230 of 1244 🔗

London has some sunshine today and a high of 15 Centigrade. Somewhat spring-like in other words. It is going to be hard to keep people indoors and terrified as we move into Primavera .

426323 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #231 of 1244 🔗

As the snake Littlejohn likes to say…’you couldn’t make it up’.

426288 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to isobar, 1, #232 of 1244 🔗

Just shows how drunk on this power he really is.

425458 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 22, #233 of 1244 🔗


We live in a dystopian state,
Where the government gets to dictate,
Who we have in our homes,
What we see on our phones,
These rules I will not tolerate.

425471 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Liberty, 11, #234 of 1244 🔗

A year ago this very day
You could have anyone over to stay
You could dine out in style
And see every smile
Life has become so grey

425557 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Liberty, 5, #235 of 1244 🔗

We live in a political world
Where courage is a thing of the past
Houses are haunted, children are unwanted
The next day could be your last

425459 Fred Oldfield, 3, #236 of 1244 🔗

Back to Normal when all extra-terrestrials are vaccinated…

425463 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 38, #237 of 1244 🔗

I got the sense last summer that the Medical Dictatorship were desperately trying to stay ahead of Public Opinion at times and open things up whilst they still had some credibility before mass disobedience amongst the young especially showed their pettifogging rules as unnecessary and their authority as bogus. I am getting that sense again but this time the threat to the Dictatorship is coming more from the elderly vaccinated who expect to get on with what remains of their life now they consider themselves immune. Once they lose their authority this whole thing will collapse in days.

425469 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 14, #238 of 1244 🔗

Roll on, oh roll on.

425472 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 7, #239 of 1244 🔗

Yeah, and then roll on the trials.

425487 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TJN, 4, #240 of 1244 🔗

Yeah, and then roll on the t umbrils.

425497 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #241 of 1244 🔗

Yes, I think you are right. Basically they think they have been conned, which they have.

425581 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #242 of 1244 🔗

I am praying that you are right. that this whole nightmare could just dissolve as suddenly as it sprang up.

425466 Markus Skepticus, 62, #243 of 1244 🔗

The story of the 9-year-old girl typing PLZ I DON’T LIKE THIS is fucking horrendous.

Fuck every cunt who still supports this.

425476 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 32, #244 of 1244 🔗

Pandemic Logic

COVID Zealot: People not getting a vaxxine are anti-vaxxers and putting everyone at risk.
Rational person: Have all the people in years past not getting flu vaccines also been anti-vaxxers?

425502 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #245 of 1244 🔗

I would be interested to know if you get the experimental jab, and you then get symptoms of SARs, can you pass it on, or as it isn’t a live virus being injected that is not possible.

425505 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Hattie, 1, #246 of 1244 🔗

Well, vaccines can sometimes super-sensitise individuals to subsequent infection and, presumably, in such cases, one would also become a bit of a super-spreader.

425481 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 11, #247 of 1244 🔗

I’ve always been a bit dismissive of the threat from ‘mutations’. This morning I watched the interview with Knut Wittkowski linked above. He claims that by slowing transmission, lockdowns have allowed new variants to emerge which bypassed immunity from the original virus, resulting in second ‘waves’ this winter. This would explain why the January peak was higher than many of us probably expected. Anyone have any thoughts on this hypothesis?

425489 ▶▶ iane, replying to Adamb, 6, #248 of 1244 🔗

Hmm, January is always the peak month for respiratory viruses – with rapid decline thereafter. Nothing to see there!

425495 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Adamb, 7, #249 of 1244 🔗

As influenza seems to have disappeared, maybe January was the usual flu numbers.

425554 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Adamb, 4, #250 of 1244 🔗

January wasn’t any higher than I expected. It helps their narrative when ‘Covid deaths’ are people who died after a positive test. We also have around 4,000 deaths occurring every week in the home, which is around 40-50% of the ‘expected’ number according to the 5 year average, with the last year consistently having 700-800 each and every week above what is considered ‘normal’..

425565 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Adamb, 5, #251 of 1244 🔗

stop trying to make sense of their bullshit. you need to start filtering it out as ‘noise’ – you won’t start to see the truth of what is actually happening until you stop allowing them to distract you from it

425628 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Adamb, 5, #252 of 1244 🔗

There is no proof the January peak was not created from a) PCR tests run at 45 cycles and b) institutional mis-reporting of causes of death.

426457 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bugle, #253 of 1244 🔗

Well there is because all-cause mortality was still relatively high.

425486 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #254 of 1244 🔗

Cheered myself up the other night by watching Fenton again, nine years later, possibly the funniest video ever uploaded to Youtube. It’s only 46 seconds long and nothing even happens in the first third of it yet tears of laughter were streaming down my face by the end. https://youtu.be/3GRSbr0EYYU

425493 ▶▶ iane, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #255 of 1244 🔗

Strange; did absolutely nothing for me.

425499 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to iane, 1, #256 of 1244 🔗

We all have different funny bones I guess.

425553 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #257 of 1244 🔗

The middle classes in crisis, always good for a laugh.

425488 DanClarke, 5, #258 of 1244 🔗

Its a sad and manipulative government/parliament who doesn’t want to give a positive spin on what they are/have done, instead allow their Science/BIT team and ministers to prophesy over and over how badly things could still turn out.

425490 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 30, #259 of 1244 🔗

Just watching the Australian Open.

There’s something very wrong with people wearing masks when there is apparently zero or minimal community transmission.

What exactly do they think the masks are doing for them?

425522 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #260 of 1244 🔗

They’re not thinking

425528 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #261 of 1244 🔗

Before their latest stay-at-home palaver, at the start of the tournament, most of the crowd, players and tournament staff were mask-free. I suspect that has changed as a condition of coming out of the latest stay at home phase into a lighter set of restrictions.

425532 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #262 of 1244 🔗


425541 ▶▶ l835, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #263 of 1244 🔗

Between you and me, they are very ugly, and it’s for our sanity they conceal their hideousness.

425561 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Nobody2021, 11, #264 of 1244 🔗

We are watching the Americas Cup in New Zealand and it’s the same. These guys who have worked and lived together for months and months, walked out in masks. No crowds allowed……all for 3 cases at a quarantine hotel. I hate this planet.

426294 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #265 of 1244 🔗

6 Nations rugby is the same – 1m social distancing btwn players for the national anthems and then they get up close and very personal without wearing masks in the scrums – DAFT!!!!

425567 ▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #266 of 1244 🔗

It’s like warding off the evil eye. Surprised we’re not drowning witches as that seems to be about the level of scientific and social understanding that society’s at.

425494 cloud6, 14, #267 of 1244 🔗

Ah! Saga…. the company selling overpriced (ripoff) products and services to the elderly. Wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole. They would have to pay me to go on one of their holidays or use any of their services.

425496 Occamsrazor, replying to Occamsrazor, 12, #268 of 1244 🔗

Thank goodness a judicial review has succeeded. It is appalling that this is the only way to try to ensure accountability for millions of pounds of our money, but at least it shows that we do still maintain the vestiges of a working justice system.

425520 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Occamsrazor, 7, #269 of 1244 🔗

Surely identifying a problem is only half of the process? We’d need to see Wanksock punished for it to be any sort of justice.

425558 ▶▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to jb12, 7, #270 of 1244 🔗

I know, I know. I’m just so deeply depressed by this whole fucking shitshow that I have to cling on to any small ray of light.

425525 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Occamsrazor, 12, #271 of 1244 🔗

Well it’s better than nothing but the reviews about what really mattered – the removal of fundamental freedoms on a flimsy pretext – failed (the Dolan case notably). Lord Sumption was of the view that the case had a lot of merit, and that the Public Health Act 1984 had been misused, and that our constitutional tradition dictated that removing fundamental freedoms must be done explicitly and not by the back door.

425555 ▶▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to Julian, 6, #272 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely agree that one small win is only that. But it’s better than another loss. It just feels like we (LS) are in such a small minority that it’s a relief to see even the smallest criticism of government from another source.

426300 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Julian, #273 of 1244 🔗

I think there is something very odd – going on across whole of justice syst at moment – word I would use to best describe it would be “nobbled”. Supreme Court obviously got nobbled in some way regarding the Covid JR’s and the court which ruled in favour of Megan Markle in her privacy case was obvs also nobbled – less than a week later she announces she is pregnant, and by time case would have been due to be heard she would have been too heavily pregnant to travel to UK for hearing where she, member of royal family, would have been publicly pitted against her Dad spilling all kinds of milk for tabloids to go mad over – couldn’t be allowed to happen so court was nobbled.

425552 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Occamsrazor, 3, #274 of 1244 🔗

The kimono clad Elephant & Castle fox murderer finally doing something useful.

426296 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Occamsrazor, #275 of 1244 🔗

just about.

425509 Cecil B, 49, #276 of 1244 🔗

The people in care homes in March 2020 must be the unluckiest sods I have ever known

First the dictatorship tried to kill them by hurling infected bodies over the walls

Then in a volte face the dictatorship said the guests were not allowed to see uninfected people and subjected to solitary confinement for twelve months

The latest wizzo scheme is to see the guests off with monkey gunk

I’m informed by someone who knows that the dictatorship has plans to award the still alive with medals sponsored by Tony Blair and the Harold Shipman Foundation

425524 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #277 of 1244 🔗

This is the irrefutable evidence that LD is not effective. Crude deaths. A definition of pandemic should always include excess deaths. This table shows that for most European countries.

This is not statistics built upon tests, defined cases or C-19 deaths. Those statistics can vary or be manipulated in the worst case scenario. But deaths cannot be easily hidden in these countries.
The table clearly show almost all LD countries with most deaths. Sweden is well below average.
This doesn’t mean that NPI instead of LD are automatically effective. Anyone reading WHO Guidelines 2019 and earlier guidance will be shocked to know how scant any evidence is for NPI.

NPI cannot work for a respiratory virus spread by aerosol.

The spread of the virus has always been described from droplets, surfaces and aeorosol. Nobody has dared to highlight the most important one, aerosol, as this goes against all NPI.

An infected individual breath out millions of particles 24 hour a day. It passes through all masks and the only mask which is effective won’t let you breathe. In the minuscule of time, compared to breathing, when you are sneezing and coughing, masks might stop these droplets although there are concerned reports that this is not effective as the droplet might be fragmented and expelled out of the mask.

There are virus particles in the air mostly 2 m outside the infective patient but a small amount can be spread much longer.

Sweden’s NPI is also useless. But we have the illusion of control and a “something must be done mentality”. The only human intervention possible is treatment, now more possible, or vaccines which will be too late for the second wave. Any NPI will not work for a respiratory virus spread by aerosol.

The table is from this short article with some interesting death comparisons with the flu pandemics,1957 and 1968 in the Nordic countries


English translation


425594 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to swedenborg, 2, #278 of 1244 🔗

Brilliant! Thank you.

The elephant in the room is, of course, to what extent NPIs may have contributed to those increases in mortality.

Certainly, in Britain, that contribution appears to have been substantial:

‘Via its Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), the government in mid-March adopted a policy, executed by NHS England and NHS Improvement, that led to 25,000 patients, including those infected or possibly infected with COVID-19 who had not been tested, being discharged from hospital into care homes between 17 March and 15 April—exponentially increasing the risk of transmission to the very population most at risk of severe illness and death from the disease. With no access to testing, severe shortages of PPE, insufficient staff, and limited guidance, care homes were overwhelmed. Although care home deaths were not even being counted in daily official figures of COVID-19 deaths until 29 April, some 4,300 care home deaths were reported in a single fortnight during this period.’


It seems clear to me that if the government replicated exactly its interventions of March 2020 for every occurrence of a seasonal coronavirus or other common cold virus, the increase in overall mortality that resulted would be similar.

Except that now medics know how to prevent cytokine storms, the most severe and dangerous symptom.

I think we’ve shown that anyone who presents with COVID symptoms should be given a steroid inhaler.”

‘“We’ve never had a good treatment for the common cold, it does make people sick, especially older people, and perhaps this could be it,” Professor Nicolau said.

“These pandemics are now coming every five years or so, and this treatment should work for the next one, because hyper-inflammation is not particular to COVID, it happens with all respiratory infections.”


Remind me…….why are we still locked down…….?

425595 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 5, #279 of 1244 🔗

Compelling indeed but the lockdown zealots will simply say that if the lockdown countries hadn’t locked down they would have had more deaths. Of course we all know that the burden of proof is on those proposing unorthodox measures, but the confidence trick that has been played in which lockdowns are now considered orthodox is what we are up against. Maybe belief in empirical science was much more fragile than we thought.

425603 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Julian, 1, #280 of 1244 🔗

Except there are predictions for these very countries using the same models that support the “it would be worse” scenario. And they are all out by an order of magnitude at least and even taking on board the vague attributions to Covid.

425803 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mhcp, #281 of 1244 🔗

Indeed but we are up against sunk cost fallacy and groupthink here

425531 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 36, #282 of 1244 🔗

The case illustrates one of the many issues with the response to COVID-19. Yes there was an emergency,

no, there fucking wasn’t.

425543 ▶▶ iane, replying to A Heretic, 8, #283 of 1244 🔗

Yes, this place is going down the pan. I’m only here for the beer BTL comments now.

425545 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to A Heretic, 4, #284 of 1244 🔗

A short emergency caused by understandable (given CCP obfuscation) ignorance but one that should be long gone.

425574 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #285 of 1244 🔗

nope, it was clear from the Italian reports, presuming you read past the fear mongering, that it was not in any way an emergency.

425604 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to A Heretic, 17, #286 of 1244 🔗

I give the government 3 weeks grace.After that it was obvious that this wasn’t a particularly dangerous virus.Then they should have opened up with no restrictions at all.Just told people to stay at home if they felt sick and wash your hands.

425674 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #287 of 1244 🔗


425673 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to A Heretic, 1, #288 of 1244 🔗

Agreed, the paper from the doctors at the Italian ‘epicentre’ made that clear (more infectious but less deadly than normal was the main conclusion) but a few weeks fog of war and all that given the CCP obfuscation and their 50 cent army psyop is understandable in retrospect. Forgivable is another matter.

426163 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #289 of 1244 🔗

Papa Giovanni XXIII Hospital, Bergamo.

425768 ▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to A Heretic, 8, #290 of 1244 🔗

Agreed. It seemed fairly clear to me, by the start of lockdown 1, looking at data from the Diamond Princess cruise ship and the situation in Italy that it wasn’t as serious as the initial reports suggested and that a full lockdown was unnecessary.

425599 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to A Heretic, 5, #291 of 1244 🔗

One of the failings of all the LDS authors is the inability to recognise the simple process of measuring things correctly.

I bet each one would be up in arms if their bank told them they owe £10,000. Because you’d just look at the statements wouldn’t you? But say you don’t have the statements and the bank uses a model to estimate what you owe.

You’d still want to see statements because the basic principle is the same. Why couldn’t the bank produce statements down to the penny?

So equally why can you not show how other respiratory ailments have been eliminated and that the diagnosis of Covid-19 has much less uncertainty? Oh that’s right you can’t because it always was vague by definition and they changed the reporting rules on death certificates too.

Hmm so right from the bat there’s something wrong.

And thus you can’t say it’s an emergency, at least a real one.

425535 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 74, #292 of 1244 🔗

I sat on a bench at my local cricket club yesterday morning.Around my bench were empty beer cans, vodka bottles and God knows what. Was I appalled at these litter louts? No, I secretly rejoiced that they had gone out, defying the lockdown, met some mates, and got pissed, like teenagers used to.
Btw I then picked up their rubbish and put it in a bin.

425551 ▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to PatrickF, 14, #293 of 1244 🔗

Earlier this week went for a walk, at one point I went over a river bridge, I was surprised to see a lone body way down the river bank, amazing this person was fishing.

This leisure activity is verboten under current level 4, although all leisure activities seems to be banned in some way.

I hope he caught a decent sized fish to tell family and friends about, not my idea of leisure but each to their own.

425680 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to DoubtingDave, 9, #294 of 1244 🔗

Fishing IS permitted, as is believe it or not, shooting – Unfortunately though shooting cabinet ministers is still verboten:)

425823 ▶▶▶▶ DoubtingDave, replying to vargas99, 2, #295 of 1244 🔗

This person was getting some enjoyment out of life, illegal or not.

Just checked and indeed individuals can go fishing but not be part of a group, so no matches etc.

I may take up fishing as this sounds like an ideal way to spend a couple of nights in a small tent on the river bank, doubt I would be allowed a nights wild camping on Kinder Scout.

425909 ▶▶ Janette, replying to PatrickF, 6, #296 of 1244 🔗

I love that story. I know I was enlightened when about 300 young people went sledging locally.

425940 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to PatrickF, 4, #297 of 1244 🔗

Good for them having a good time)we hope) and you for clearing up after them.

426328 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to PatrickF, #298 of 1244 🔗

Lets hope they got up to some other things that defied social distancing too lol.

425546 davews, replying to davews, 37, #299 of 1244 🔗

I lost my temper this morning on the railway forum I visit. Loads of lockdown zealots, very pro masks and now totally inexplicably pro vaccine passports. OK, quite a few of them have had the virus in not pleasant ways. I imagine I will be banned from there….

Whatever the dangers of Covid itself, and I don’t deny those, the very thought of a vaccine passport fills me with the utmost rage. We are already at the stage where the chances of meeting somebody infected is quite low and yet the Covid police are suggesting we will have to keep away from others and wear silly things on our faces as if we were lepers. Most of us want to live a normal life and the longer this nonsense is drawn out – the government has clearly no intention of giving in – the less will I have to exist in this very unfriendly place.

Covid is not the only disease in the world and will hopefully very soon be history. But there won’t be a world to go back to if we carry on like this. Or a railway, you can’t keep running empty trains for ever.

425578 ▶▶ l835, replying to davews, 2, #300 of 1244 🔗

Come over to the DMU pres forums, we’re very relaxed there!

425607 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to davews, 2, #301 of 1244 🔗

If ever you wanted to see a forum of highly opinionated “experts” forming cliques and running hate campaigns against people, go to a railway enthusiast forum.

Speaking from experience of being excluded from so many of them that I don’t bother anymore.

425609 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to davews, 3, #302 of 1244 🔗

SS (77th) out in force, eh?

425792 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to davews, 3, #303 of 1244 🔗

You think railway fans are bad, you should try the campervan idiot forum….

425548 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #304 of 1244 🔗

No question that the NHS needs reform. And, I agree, it also needs more funding


‘…. it would also be nice if we could simply discuss the performance of different healthcare systems in the same hysteria-free way in which we currently discuss the performance of different education systems, or the productivity performance of different economies. And who knows, maybe we will get there one day.’ (Kristian Niemietz, CAPX Reference above)

However, even on LS if I recommend an outline for such reform, and increased funding, based on what works for our neighbours, safe to say such recommendations, involving, as they do, some form of social insurance scheme, are not popular, even though the evidence supports them:

In terms of outcomes, quality and efficiency, social health insurance systems are consistently ahead of the NHS on almost every available measure. They combine the universality of a public system with the consumer sovereignty, the pluralism, the competitiveness and the innovativeness of a market system.’


But again, how did our own funding system for the NHS start out?

‘The National Insurance Act 1911 formed the basis of NI as we know it today, albeit on a considerably different basis……..

There were two individual schemes at that point in time, one dealing with health and pension benefits and the other associated with unemployment benefit. The former was run by trusted societies and unions whilst the latter was a scheme controlled solely by the government.’

‘This soon changed with the arrival of the ‘welfare state’ in 1948, which heralded the homogenisation of the separate stamps resulting in one singular stamp to cover all benefits.’


So Britain started off with a social insurance system for healthcare and then government intervention made it worse………and we still pay national insurance……..

Sounds a bit like the bungling Democratic Socialist government incompetence we have witnessed at first hand over the last twelve months.

425661 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #305 of 1244 🔗

Too much of the money spent on NHS/Moloch goes on salaries for hangers on like of the appalling Hopson and biscuits (poor Sir Tom’s charity efforts). There is no hope of significant reform of the national cult with any of our craven politicians so we are doomed to be tethered to this mill stone for eternity.

425550 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 55, #306 of 1244 🔗

Any fucker stupid enough not to have visited family and friends almost 12 months into this lockdown deserves all they get,no moaning and bitching about being hard done to and life’s not fair,it’s ass holes like them that’s kept this shit show rolling along.. Feeling sorry for your self because you have stuck by the rules and people with real balls have said fuck the rules and carried on living..

425564 ▶▶ l835, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #307 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely, all this wearing a mask, having the vax, staying home to protect others is a load of crap. Looking after themselves and moaning every minute. I hope the vax wipes the lot of them out.

425575 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #308 of 1244 🔗

It’s not so easy when your family are so terrified by this hysteria they refuse to meet.

425577 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #309 of 1244 🔗

I know what you are saying, BR, but I am sure I am not the only person who would have been more than happy to visit, socialise and hug more than ever if only their friends and family were of the same mind. I feel sorry for myself because I have no one to break the rules with!

425592 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #310 of 1244 🔗

Yes you have a fair comment there my friend all of my friends and family are sceptics those that weren’t I fucked of so I don’t tend to have the problems you do..

425656 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #311 of 1244 🔗

How is the Marshall today B R ?!

425699 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to rose, 4, #312 of 1244 🔗

Just giving him time to settle in and then we will unleash the hounds..

426333 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #313 of 1244 🔗

How do you locate them? Do you follow them home lol.

426331 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #314 of 1244 🔗

Yes I fucked them off too and don’t regret it.

425633 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #315 of 1244 🔗

You’re correct of course, feel pretty feeble but at least grandchildren visited with cake on my birthday in June (granddaughter fell into Stonebridge Pond but her mum fished her out and we only broke one champagne glass in all the excitement).

425654 ▶▶ Sarah N, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #316 of 1244 🔗

Agree completely! I have continued as normal with my family (apart from my brainwashed Dad who lives a fair way from me). That’s no big issue though 🙂

425970 ▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #317 of 1244 🔗

But who with when no one else will?! I’m seeing my mum and I’m going out every day and there is one other family we know who will allow kids to play indoors but that’s the limit. I can’t rebel because I’ve got literally nowhere to go and no one to rebel with.
That’s actually one of the worst things about this. Everywhere is closed and everyone is compliant so what choice do I have? I post on SM, I write to my fucking useless MP, I make clear in conversations that I think this is all fucking ridiculous but what else???

425556 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #318 of 1244 🔗

So the blubberment is following the séance so that they can continue the war on Covid the people.

425626 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #319 of 1244 🔗

Points for ‘blubberment’, v. good!

425650 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #320 of 1244 🔗


425560 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 7, #321 of 1244 🔗

Looking at the MHRA Yellow Card deaths from vaccines to 10 Feb – Astra 150, Pfizer 173 – I wonder whether these are picking up all deaths as a result of vaccination.
ONS data shows that care home & hospice deaths ‘with Covid’ rose from a fairly steady 500/600 per week in Nov/Dec to, for the 4 weeks of January: 1,033; 1,375; 1,958; 1,870. That’s an excess over the Nov/Dec run rate of about 3,700 for those 4 weeks alone.
1.      Why the increase, which coincided with the vaccination programme in care homes?
2.      Does taking the vaccine make it likely that you will test +ve for Covid shortly afterwards?
3.      Are care homes being strong-armed into NOT filing Yellow Card reports, even if they suspect that a death following vaccination was linked to the vaccination?
MHRA say, a la Mandy Rice-Davies:
“The MHRA has received 173 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 150 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine and 3 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.”

425572 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to BTLnewbie, 5, #322 of 1244 🔗

I note in the case of the Pfizer report five women suffered spontaneous abortions and these abortions have not been included in the fatality totals.

425608 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to BTLnewbie, 7, #323 of 1244 🔗

if we are to make an informed choice about vaccination we must be able to compare risk which means that the method of counting Covid deaths and vaccine deaths should be similar. They are not, Covid deaths are based on a death within 28 days of a positive test and they want us to count vaccine deaths only after review. So not comparable so I can’t make an informed decision.

425563 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 4, #324 of 1244 🔗

Folks – it is Charles Walker MP who has asked people to write to him about their mental health under the current restrictions, right?

425569 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Katabasis, 2, #325 of 1244 🔗

Yes, and do it. Several of us here have.

425573 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #326 of 1244 🔗

Thanks RP. Have started writing it now.

425579 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Katabasis, 3, #327 of 1244 🔗

If you don’t have it, here is his email address.


425584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to isobar, 2, #328 of 1244 🔗

Thanks Isobar

425586 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Katabasis, #329 of 1244 🔗

It was referenced in this Channel 4 News report:


425570 Apache, replying to Apache, 13, #330 of 1244 🔗

I come to LS because I believe that lockdowns are not a proportionate response to the pandemic and do more harm than good. Unfortunately at times, it has become an echo chamber at best and a meeting place for some quite radical views at worst.

Assuming that at least one goal of most visitors is to see the return of normality we have to realise that the public have to be brought along. I now inhabit the readers comments sections on The Times and The Telegraph (student discount). I think the Daily Mail would be a good target but my computer bogs down with all the pop ups and ads. The aim is to reply to or pose a question to an easily disputable statement. For example vaccine passports – why necessary when the published data (link to The Lancet or NEJM) doesn’t demonstrate nor was designed to demonstrate an effect on transmission. Lockdown release in months – why when the vulnerable are all protected and will likely only get mild symptoms are we locking down when the NHS will not be affected?

If and when I get ad hominen attacks I usually ignore them and leave if for other readers to decide. So, basically a system of providing decent evidence (not links to newspapers) and hopefully one by one leading to eventually a ground swell of opinion changing. That leaves this site to swap ideas as how to influence opinion and provide evidence.

425585 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Apache, 13, #331 of 1244 🔗

I think a lot of people on here spend time commenting on MSM sites and trying to persuade friends, colleagues and random people of the harms and futility of lockdown. I know I do.

As for “quite radical views at worst” well it depends what you mean by “radical” and “worst”. If you simply mean things you yourself don’t agree with then you may in the wrong place because the site’s sponsor is the founder of the Free Speech Union. If you mean views arguably likely to harm our case with the wider public, then you may be right in some cases – it’s a question of tactics. But if people believe those views are the truth then they should be aired.

425619 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Apache, 6, #332 of 1244 🔗

Unfortunately, I am way WAY down the road of trying to present rational arguments with a view to coaxing these people. I have been met with – at best – indifference. At worst, hostility and disgusting threats. Really vile language that should really be abhorrent to anyone with any morals. Some of these people are professionals who should know better.

So, yeah you could say my views have become a bit more extreme. Ultimately you can’t go in too hard when you are on solid, truthful, ethical ground. I leave the insults to them but I will not hold back one iota on my judgement of them.

425766 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Apache, 5, #333 of 1244 🔗

Apache: I appreciate how you feel but my advice is to surf the waves on here. It is a comments page and as such will be full of odd stuff. But it is also packed with useful links. great comments and heartfelt support. Stay with it and ignore what you don’t like or disagree with — you will be greatly appreciated.

425576 Cathnotchas, replying to Cathnotchas, 15, #334 of 1244 🔗

Pleased to see that Bel Mooney’s excellent (but sad) article in today’s Daily Mail has been moved close to top of website page.
(Sorry, I’m an old biddy & don’t know how to do links ).

425591 ▶▶ mj, replying to Cathnotchas, 5, #335 of 1244 🔗

Article is Here as i was just passing

425752 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to mj, 4, #336 of 1244 🔗

Hopefully not!

425676 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Cathnotchas, 9, #337 of 1244 🔗

Just read it and it says everything we’ve known all along, but it’s really good to see it in the MSM, make the sheeple see it and take it in!

Did anyone else have the same thought as me whilst reading the article……the care home had had NO covid cases at all for all of 2020, and nothing at all up to the lockdown this year when they closed the doors to everyone. However when her father declined the vaccine, suddenly the care home had Covid cases…..errrr so that will be due to the vaccine rollout at the care home then! Then they go on to mention a spate of deaths in the dementia wing of the care home. Well 2+2 = ??????

425753 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #338 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely extraordinary article! Proof as if it were needed.

425972 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Cathnotchas, 2, #339 of 1244 🔗

To one old biddy grom another. Yes read the same thing butI did wonder why it took her so long to realise.

Hopefully many zealots willwho read this and then begin to wonder or even think

425587 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #340 of 1244 🔗

Joe Biden announced yesterday that America had rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement.

As part of his speech he declared climate change as an existential threat to humanity.

If you think what they’ve done to protect 1% of humanity is bad, there is nothing they won’t do to protect the whole human race.

You ain’t seen nothing yet…

425621 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #341 of 1244 🔗

Except that it’s the same 1% or more likely 0.1%, poor brown people can go hang and carry on shitting in the street as long as I can tool around in my Tesla.

425596 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 2, #342 of 1244 🔗
425613 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 7, #343 of 1244 🔗

If correct, it also shows that Mike Yeadon was right. The “second wave” is the standard flu peak. Even the first one is Covid Measures rather than Covid. If we are getting the standard flu peak in Autumn/Winter then we have reached herd immunity.

The question then is what is causing the spike up in the last month. Could be a secondary flu peak as we get these in January at times.

425678 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 3, #344 of 1244 🔗

what is causing the spike up in the last month”

… is indeed the question. The spike is difficult to explain, and is higher and sharper than expected (I reckon about 2000 – 13-15% dpw higher at the peak). But one thing’s for sure – lockdowns, masks and vaccines didn’t prevent it.

425693 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 2, #345 of 1244 🔗

I wonder if it’s iatrogenics? Direct death by failure of medical care. There are numerous staff shortages so effectively the NHS is fire fighting for the last month. And you know what happens when you do that.

425698 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mhcp, 2, #346 of 1244 🔗

Rollout of immune suppressing vaccines in the vulnerable.

425627 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 10, #347 of 1244 🔗

Sometimes I think the class needs catch-up sessions! You can’t put ‘Covid deaths’ on a graph, because we don’t (and never will) know the figures.

You can put ‘PCR+ results’ or ‘attributed to COvid’ on a graph.

425691 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to RickH, 4, #348 of 1244 🔗

VERY good point!

425789 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RickH, 2, #349 of 1244 🔗

If it’s a graph using ONS data then using ONS categories is the most honest approach. The result is damning either way.

425602 Tom Blackburn, #350 of 1244 🔗

Oops already posted below

425605 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 30, #351 of 1244 🔗

I don’t know about anyone else, but this shitty news about allowing one person to meet another outside in April makes me want to end it now. This is never going to end, and the sheeple just don’t see it.

Its all very well saying well just see friends/family anyway, but as someone else said, if those friends/family are brainwashed sheeple then who the hell do you see? We haven’t seen either set of parents now since last year (mine are a long way away). Discovered recently my SIL is one of those twats that wears a mask whilst outside exercising- so I never EVER want to see or speak to her again. Just thinking about her makes me incandescent with rage.

Locally we fair slightly better, our elderly neighbours down the lane come for coffee regularly and we go to theirs. We had lunch at our other friends about 40 min away yesterday and again, do so on a regular basis – although they are sheeple they only follow the rules that suit them – I had a screaming row with them in the recent past.

The ones that have upset me the most are our closest friends who we saw constantly from day one through all the lockdowns/tiers etc, having dinners/coffees etc. This time round they seemed to have been spooked (I suspect from supposed cases in the local village) and have hidden away in their isolated cottage, even though we are both rural and not seeing anyone anyway, they won’t come over to us or invite us to see them. It’s these guys I miss the most because it was the only time I ever laughed or smiled.

I had just started to think we were seeing some chinks of light in the darkness, but today I feel it’s just never ever going to change.
Am I deluded in hoping this latest shitty piece of carrot might actually be the thing that makes the 1922 committee take some decisive action?

If there was a bloody place we could go to take a deadly jab to kill us off, I’d be queuing up there right now!!

Sorry, bad day.

425616 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #352 of 1244 🔗

allowing one person to meet another outside”

Oh! Is that what the sociopathic arseholes think isn’t happening now?

It is incredibly stupid, and even the theory needs resisting. But just let them go on dreaming their mentally unbalanced dreams. If some want to go along with the feverish delusions, I guess there’s not much we can do.

425618 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #353 of 1244 🔗

Hang in there RP, you’ll be dancing on laughter-silvered wings again soon!

425663 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Biggles, 5, #354 of 1244 🔗

Thanks Biggles, that means a lot.

425631 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #355 of 1244 🔗

Sorry you’re having a bad day, but don’t apologise.

I’m holding on fact that the sheeple who believed the “promise” that once the vulnerable were vaccinated (and mostly they have as well has many more), see that is not the case, will finally come round to seeing the true horrors of what the government is doing.

I may be naive, as I have been disappointed on numerous occasions, but I live in hope (for the time being).

425669 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Lindy, 7, #356 of 1244 🔗

Thanks guys, you are all right of course and I really don’t know what I would have done without this site and you guys giving your support.

I hope things do change but today the normality of 2019 feels like a dream I once had and we will never see life like that again.

426314 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Redundant Pilot, #357 of 1244 🔗

sadly RP I think that is actually part of the Plan, lifted straight out of the A Hitler playbook. Keep bribing the little people with hope of jam tomorrow until they have been in this mire for so long they can no longer remember what life was like before all this and will have lost the desire to go “back” to it. Going back is clearly not an option

425651 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Redundant Pilot, 10, #358 of 1244 🔗

Hold tight, RP and keep looking forward to those social occasions (however limited they are). Something that has given me hope in recent days is my zealot, lunatic cousin finally complaining about all the stress on her family and child. She even thinks she has broken a couple of rules (she hasn’t, but she has made up additional ones of her own to ehance the masochistic thrill) and I have been encouraging her no end to put her family first.

I’m not putting much faith in the 1922 – they haven’t followed through so far, but they do have the potential to turn this all around and there is nothing wrong with us being hopeful as long as we are also braced for disappointment. I feel absolutely broken much of the time and think “I can’t keep doing this”, but I can and I will – nothing lasts forever. Knowing that you and other here are also slogging it out, despite feeling battered half to death gives me hope too. As Lindy says, don’t apologise! Let it all out.

425653 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #359 of 1244 🔗

I know you’re having a bad day, but please count your blessings – you have mentioned more social interactions there than I have had the opportunity for in a very long time. Many of us are more isolated than you are right now, so although things look bleak, please know you aren’t doing so badly on that front.

I know that you have other stresses to deal with, and enormous financial concerns – I get that, and I feel for you. Some days we just need to grit our teeth and hold on. Please hold on. Things will get better.

425708 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Redundant Pilot, 10, #360 of 1244 🔗

Gosh, is meeting up with one other person not allowed at the moment?? I’ve been doing it for months!

425712 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to maggie may, 4, #361 of 1244 🔗

And sorry you’re having a bad day. But spring is coming, snowdrops in bloom, daffs coming out, some lambs now in the forest, new life everywhere for mother nature at least. Things will get better for us too

425756 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to maggie may, 7, #362 of 1244 🔗

The shortest 13 weeks (which I call Winter) finished on Feb 5th so we are now just in to the third week of Spring and, as you quite rightly say, don’t those beautiful flora and fauna know it!!!

425840 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Redundant Pilot, #363 of 1244 🔗

Are you a working example of the proof that their plan is working?

But regardless the past, you are the capacity to choose to no longer be played with by such deceits.
And so you can choose to accept everything as an education instead of persisting in playing along with a scam as the victim. Nothing can deny you the truth that you are willing to let be revealed to you. But the desire to know has to have some basis in true fulfilment – or joy in life.

‘Reality’ has disintegrated to lies and deceits. Or rather what we have lived can no longer be supported, and we have to find the place from which to live when what we thought was true is not here. Blame or self-pity will compound the grievance and powerlessness. There are some disciplines to accept by which to align in what works – just on the responsibility for energy and purpose.

Bottoming out is the opportunity to release what does not work and cannot work, to the revealing and acceptance of what does, one step at a time. If you want to die, then of course you can bring it on. But what this often means is under a set of terms and conditions we are unwilling to change or release – not least because of the convictions that lockdown into grievance, withholding and conditional demands.

If you give your power to the world of conditions, you will ‘die’ when conditions change as a reset of old separation patterns of trauma in betrayal and pain of loss. You know how to ‘do’ this, but do you know how to reconnect to the nature of your being? You CAN release your ‘story’ to a relationship with something or someone alive. In any moment of recognition of the opportunity to be the choice.

Too much Inflammation does not serve the ability to make wise decisions. No matter what is apparently ‘going on’ you are responsible to keep your house in order. If you are still watching TV output at this time I ask you if you have a death wish or a propensity to hate and demean yourself? For that is what is being fed as mainstreamed mind.

Live this day well!

425938 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #364 of 1244 🔗

WE have to end it.
Get busy.
Ignore the guff .
Don’t give up until there is nothing else possible and then take one of the conspirators with you if you can. (I would prefer to lead them away from the disaster that confronts us, but so far I have had little success.)

Post stickers, pamphlets, flyers, leaflets with priority for Great Reopening March 20.


426316 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to PastImperfect, #365 of 1244 🔗

unfortunately I don’t see any think like that happening where I live – we have been told we will be locked down until after easter when “they” will review it and people seem to think that is a “good thing” and we should comply with the rules

425612 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 38, #366 of 1244 🔗

How many people needlessly died because Hancock deliberately went out of his way to discredit Vitamin D

“The health secretary told the Commons last week that he had ordered a trial that showed vitamin D did not “appear to have any impact”. Officials now admit that no trials took place .”


425620 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Victoria, 6, #367 of 1244 🔗

They can do whatever they want – nobody will ever personally punish them!

425625 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Victoria, 8, #368 of 1244 🔗

Holy shit (parson my french). Put together with yesterday’s legal ruling, how much longer can this guy hold on to his position?

425630 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to isobar, 3, #369 of 1244 🔗

His handlers will elbow him when the time is right

425710 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to isobar, 3, #370 of 1244 🔗

The BBC will determine his future as it will all of ours. The BBC and Hancock’s advisors are in the pay of Gates, so nothing will happen to any of them .
Democracy? – shamocracy!.

425671 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Victoria, 9, #371 of 1244 🔗

Isn’t misleading Parliament a sackable offence? The felonies are racking up

425871 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to vargas99, 8, #372 of 1244 🔗

And this is the man who whimpered in Parliament that his “step-grandfather” had died from covid, giving him a personal insight into the grief caused. The ‘step-grandfather’ turned out to be his step father’s first wife’s husband. It seems very doubtful that Hancock had even met the guy. Again, he lied to Parliament and knew it.

426320 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to vargas99, #373 of 1244 🔗

used to be in days of yore – but that was then and this is now.

425726 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Victoria, 6, #374 of 1244 🔗

Indeed, but the pharma led suppression of Vit D is almost a century old. The sudden sense of ‘entitlement’ to a true education is itself a symptom of a sickness management system.
Don’t wait from official recognition or sanction for truth to become true. And don’t give credibility to ‘truth manufacturing’ systems of possession and control in our name.

This story is old – but worthy or being reminded.
Adequate Vit D is probably the cheapest and simplest single factor that would actually allow ‘immune function’ to optimally operate against seasonal respiratory sickness challenges.

The business of profiting from sickness is the single greatest threat to health – and includes profiting from the inflammation of conflicts and wars.

425898 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Victoria, 2, #375 of 1244 🔗

Blood on his hands.

426319 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Victoria, #376 of 1244 🔗

Oh my god the criminal level of deceit that is involved and no sanction – they think they are completely invincible – what on earth do we do about this??? my taxes are paying them!!!

425617 Binra, 2, #377 of 1244 🔗


“Stay Sceptical. Control the hysteria. Save lives”.

Scepticism is a questioning that seeks further evidence before accepting or rejecting an appearance or assertion as a fact. It is a stepping stone. To persist in questioning an assertion that is revealed to be a deceit, is to give reality to the deceit rather than releasing it to see what is really here.

Hysteria needs to be checked from feeding on itself but the inducement to panic has been deliberately and persistently intended for the purpose of control. Fear, once checked, calls to be undone or healed as a result of the truth revealing. The mind control is the nature of the problem, not the answer.

Save lives. Awareness and appreciation of life is where we know, flow and be the life that we both have and share. The saving of life from destructive deceit is not a mere statistic for the prolongation of misery in captivity. The term ‘save lives’ is a sure-fire no-brainer by which to enlist the willingness to blindly follow an agenda because it assigns such a term as a slogan. The appreciation of life as freedom to be and the expression and unfolding of the potentials of our being is a basis for saving us from a living death.

At the level of the body, the persona, and the world of its story and development of themes, explorations and experience, everyone dies. Has ever a life been ‘saved’ from the mortal condition? Only if the recognition of Life as timeless awakens beneath the masking, filtering denials that structure the capacity to experience the focus we call alive in the world. Materialism, in its general sense is the assigning of reality outside the reality of Self, to become its cause and definer, rather than its imaged symbol of mythic construct. To those who deny light, darkness is real, and they cannot see life though it all about them. Much of what is invoked to ‘save’ is the reiteration of a distancing or separating of denial or lockdown to a private masking narrative dictate. For to fear given power, hiding is ‘salvation’ and the mask through which to persist a self-conflicted agenda as ‘survival’ that masks in the forms of life as the means to steal your life by the substitution of a false for true.

Conflict agenda which is where a private wish or willing is given priority over true relation, such as to effectively bias, distort and filter experience at cost to awareness of the whole.
This becomes the denial and attack on truth as the means to save the ‘bubble reality’ of a private self seeking self-reinforcement as mutual narrative ‘identity’. Thus our good intentions can be assigned to ‘save’ our fear in self-illusion from the disclosure of the opportunity for its correction, undoing or healing.


425622 Bella Donna, 1, #378 of 1244 🔗

The above video says it all. What about the rest of us?

425623 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #379 of 1244 🔗

Morning all, some very interesting listening here, nothing most of us haven’t heard before, sustainable development, global governance, a lot of it is unfolding in front of us and the sleepwalkers are in for a big surprise.



I’ve stumbled on reality bytes again after hearing a podcast in August with Alan Watt (personally I listen to Alan watt’s weekly podcast, might be a bit far out for some). Some interesting conversations though to mull over.

There is also mention of human capital bonds, with Tony Bliar’s fingerprints all over it.



I still cling to the hope that the technocrats will destroy each other and can’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

Over and out

425809 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, #380 of 1244 🔗

Alan Watt (Cuttingthroughthematrix) is a legend, I have listened to him for years. Sandi Adams is great too, she is really well clued-up about Agenda 2030. She has done a few shows with Mark Windows.

425861 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, #381 of 1244 🔗

Correct 👍🏻

425635 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 3, #384 of 1244 🔗

Are you seriously suggesting it’s bent?

425675 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Victoria, 5, #385 of 1244 🔗

This is exactly the kind of information that all these so called “independent” experts must be compelled to declare for all to see on all media appearances, tv, radio, print, social media

I’m sure majority of people don’t realise the extent of potential conflicts of interest, which must be transparent for all to see, not just hidden away.

425687 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Victoria, 3, #386 of 1244 🔗

Cui bono

425855 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Victoria, #387 of 1244 🔗

And they have still ignored GAVI. – $4.2 billion worldwide.

425632 Cecil B, 7, #389 of 1244 🔗

Defund the Dictatorship

In future whatever the activity or the purchase the first question I will ask myself is does this provide revenue to the Dictatorship

If the answer is yes then I will aim not to take part or purchase

I know it is impossible to 100% avoid taxation but I will try my best

425636 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 42, #390 of 1244 🔗

Lockdown Sceptic Legend: Sir Rocco Forte

‘I support calls for a new Public Health Act to prevent government from overreaching its powers in the future. A new act should require proper impact assessments and force ministers to set out to the public and to parliament the benefits and harms of each proposed restriction. It is time to end the creeping authoritarianism, return to normal democratic processes and hold the government to account.’

DT 20 Feb 2021

425689 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #391 of 1244 🔗

Agreed, another great article by him.

425773 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #392 of 1244 🔗

One can have a dream.

425638 Two-Six, 4, #393 of 1244 🔗

Nice to see Jonathan “jaB-ARR-the-nut” did a more sceptical LDS today, back on track, I guess he most have got long covid or just went a bit funny for the last few months.

Who picked “Sadness” by RDF in the tunes for the day?

RDF are probably my most favourite band ever, I grew up with these people and especially the band they grew out of, Military Surplus. Backin the old days, both bands were the sound-track to every free festival and party I went to.I see Crass sneaks in there a few times too. Nice.

425639 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 20, #394 of 1244 🔗

This didn’t go to plan PimlicoPlumbers


425645 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #395 of 1244 🔗

So funny, Pimlico very defensive and name-calling…

It was meant to be a simple poll not a platform for anti-vaxxers to spout their conspiracy theories.


425648 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Victoria, 3, #396 of 1244 🔗

The real answer is probably ‘couldn’t care less either way’ but that wasn’t an option

425649 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 5, #397 of 1244 🔗

LOL. That’s a well deserved smack in the eye!

425763 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Victoria, 6, #398 of 1244 🔗

Sounds like they were trying to just get publicity out of it. I had a boiler engineer out before Christmas to fix my boiler and when he said did I want him to wear a mask I said dont be so silly. So I certainly wouldnt care if they were vaccinated or not. In fact if I knew their boss was trying to enforce an experimental treatment onto their employees then id try and use a different company.

425640 l835, replying to l835, 21, #399 of 1244 🔗

*latest news*

From next Tuesday, couples living in Wales will be allowed to have sex with one person from another household. Couples will not be required to socially distance, but masks must be worn throughout the activity, which will be monitored via webcam by a new unit headed up by the First Minister’s son.

Speaking last night, Mark Drakeford said “Vaughan (Gethin) and I will be watching very closely”

425670 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to l835, 10, #400 of 1244 🔗

Is sex with another household mandatory or voluntary?

Do we get to choose the household?

425730 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Cecil B, 8, #401 of 1244 🔗

This is guidance, so voluntary unless it’s Christmas or your birthday. You can choose any household, but obviously you should “stay local to protect the NHS”

426104 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to l835, 1, #402 of 1244 🔗

Brilliant, my second name is Vaughan so, as a special favour, can I choose one of Herr Gethin’s family to act as hot water bottle?

425641 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #403 of 1244 🔗

If I’d paid for a faux leather sofa from The World of Arthur Dayley Furniture Ltd last March, and been promised delivery in three weeks, and even if the factory had had ‘Covid’ difficulties, even if things had got lost in the post, even if the dog had eaten the original order, even if the original sofa had been damaged in delivery to the warehouse, even if the warehouse had unfortunately burned down, twice, and even if Arthur had had to source it from another manufacturer …. even, even if I was still waiting for an unspecified delivery date a year later, then I think I may now be telling Mr Dayley to shove his sofa up his arse, and looking for a new supplier, and wringing my money out of somewhat surprised and disappointed looking Mr Dayley. After all his efforts on my behalf, I mean, such ingratitude!

425772 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #404 of 1244 🔗

The world is your lobster.

425975 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #405 of 1244 🔗

Europe is your whelk.

426160 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #406 of 1244 🔗

Teredo borer more like. (A species of saltwater clam, not many people know that including me until they were found in my boat)

425642 Nobody2021, 13, #407 of 1244 🔗

Pandemic Logic

People in Europe are now generally more free than in the UK.

The reason is that they don’t have a vaccine programme to protect.

425644 Silver cat, 4, #408 of 1244 🔗

Johnson wants the uk population to be 10-15m and he’s actually doing it.


425647 BertieFox, replying to BertieFox, -12, #409 of 1244 🔗

Good morning! I have just read that great article by Sinead Murphy. However, in defence of online teaching I should say that I’m currrntly taking an online diploma in acting at the Gaiety School in Dublin. It’s absolutely amazing and I’m enjoying it so much. I think drama teaching can work really well online if the teacher knows how to do it. I also believe that my online primary school students are getting a bit more attention from me than they do in normal class as I’m lucky enough to have only two at a time. I’m a learning Support Teacher so I have been allocated only the weaker students. One in particular made unbelievable progress last spring and summer. Of course it’s not ideal but experience has shown me that it can work.

425725 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BertieFox, 4, #410 of 1244 🔗

Teaching is one thing – social development is another. Children should play with other children

425731 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BertieFox, 7, #411 of 1244 🔗

I didn’t realise that the 77th operated in the Republic of Ireland.

425764 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to BertieFox, 4, #412 of 1244 🔗

Yes Bertie in some situations I imagine it can work. One on one tuition always works best in whatever forum but for my teenagers online learning is inadequate (though the school and teachers are trying very hard) and I believe they are learning hardly anything. As well as the impact on their social and physical development.

425794 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BertieFox, 5, #413 of 1244 🔗

Of course online teaching and other things can work when used in the correct way, but that’s really neither here nor there in the context of human life being forced online based on the coronapanic lies and tyranny

426143 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to BertieFox, #414 of 1244 🔗

Warren Bennis distinguished Education from Training, the latter can be done online but not the former. “Training is good for dogs” quoth Warren “because we desire obedience from them.”

426340 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to BertieFox, 1, #415 of 1244 🔗

As a former college teacher (in the US, not the UK), I believe the element of choice is the most important thing. Obviously, choice does not enter into the current situation.

I’ve taught in person and online, in more recent years (before the pandemic). Students who do well online are usually at the top of the class anyway and may actually feel held back in an in-person course. They would naturally choose online sessions (and not these stupid Zoom things I’ve seen – horrible).

When I taught in person, I often noticed these students working ahead during class and left them alone to get on with it. For the remaining 90% of students, online education is a disaster. And I’m only talking about college students. For young children, it’s just plain child abuse.

425655 Andy, 1, #416 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for publishing the work of Glen Bishop and now Derek Winton, and thanks to them and others for it. I have a couple questions about the Imperial model which perhaps they or someone else could answer:

  • is it just a coincidence that 68000000 x 0.833333 x 0.009 = 510000 ?
  • the files on github supporting the latest prediction of ~130K further deaths include the effective IFR’s used for each age group. To your knowledge, does the model take account of the fact that regardless of age group, people with serious health conditions are prioritised for vaccination, and that therefore the agegroup-average IFR should not be applied equally to an entire age cohort at any one time-point?
  • How did anyone ever manage to predict 96K deaths for Sweden using the Imperial model? Even if you accept assumed Imperial’s IFR, and assume that every single person in Sweden gets infected, there aren’t enough people in the country to write “Covid” on more than 91254 death certificates. The calculation above would predict 75K.

I’ve had no response from Imperial on the second point.

As I type, I see in the scrolling comments that someone is fantasising about Mark Drakeford monitoring webcams. Truly the looming mental health crisis will be worse than anyone feared…

425657 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 13, #417 of 1244 🔗

So Wankcock acted unlawfully. What will happen to him now? Demotion? Sacking? A big fine? Imprisonment? Nah – course not. A nice fat pay rise and a few more lucrative PPE contracts for his mates no doubt.

425683 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #418 of 1244 🔗

Don’t forget the knighthood….bound to happen.

425659 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 13, #419 of 1244 🔗

Parents will be testing their kids to enable them to go to school with these lateral flow tests, how many will just swab something else and not their child, as they cant afford the time off work if the test is positive, faking the tests, I would think a huge amount will do this?

425667 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to liztr835, 9, #420 of 1244 🔗

Yep a different household object every time.Thats my plan

425759 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #421 of 1244 🔗

There is a very powerful word that until more people learn to wield its great power we are never getting out of this. Its easy to remember its only two letters – ‘no’.

I know ‘no’ may have consequences we don’t like. They will be nothing compared to the consequences of not using it.

425702 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to liztr835, 4, #422 of 1244 🔗

This is why the first test is administered by a teacher. It is to force your ‘consent’ to the real thing at least once.

All must submit. That is the overriding priority. Submission.

425721 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to liztr835, 6, #423 of 1244 🔗

Suggest they swab colloidal silver or hydrogen peroxide drops otherwise they might still get a positive result

The best however is to refuse to test

425660 swedenborg, 3, #424 of 1244 🔗

This new published article interesting. Lot of research to use this IAV defective particles in influenza antiviral treatment. They seem to work on the innate immunity interferon and this article shows an astonishing good effect on Sars-Cov2.Potential treatment in the future.


Antiviral activity of influenza A virus defective interfering particles against SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro through stimulation of innate immunity

“These results suggest an unspecific stimulation of the innate immunity by IAV DIPs as a major contributor in suppressing SARS-CoV-2 replication. Thus, we propose IAV DIPs as an effective antiviral agent for treatment of COVID-19, and potentially also for suppressing the replication of new variants of SARS-CoV-2”

425662 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 12, #425 of 1244 🔗

Nauseous — FBook promoting User picture frames – NHS colours with I want/have been jabbed around them.
Can this government stoop any lower?

ps sorry if already posted but I’m not a frequent FB user

425679 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Robin Birch, 23, #426 of 1244 🔗

Is it just me or does anyone else think that this if just yet another example of the continued infantilisation of the Great British public? It’s like earning a badge at the fucking Brownies!

425859 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #427 of 1244 🔗


425692 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Robin Birch, 6, #428 of 1244 🔗

Oh I saw that somewhere. How absolutely disgusting!

426128 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Robin Birch, 2, #429 of 1244 🔗

Just noticed the mother-in-law is proudly showing his on her profile picture now. In my opinion its just saying “I dont understand what the “vaccine” is or does”

425665 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 22, #430 of 1244 🔗

Boris is a tyrant – everyone is asking what’s the point of vaccines if you can’t reopen? I say the point of the vaccine is mass genocide. When will the people rise up

425690 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Silver cat, 19, #431 of 1244 🔗

Let’s hope people will start getting the message. After all he did say once the vulnerable were vaccinated things would get back to normal. Surely it’s as plain as day now that he is a bloody liar!

425851 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Silver cat, 2, #432 of 1244 🔗

Possibly, the same with the tests.

425677 swedenborg, 6, #433 of 1244 🔗

Comment on the below new article saying the obvious. T cells immunity paramount importance and to think natural infection is less or inferior to vaccine is ridiculous.

“It’s not only spike Ab, folks. “the combination of all five viral antigen pools induced the strongest cellular immune response” “the critical role of cellular immunity in fighting COVID-19 and the importance of analyzing anti-SARS-CoV-2 T cell response”


A glimpse into the diverse cellular immunity against 2 SARS-CoV-2

425681 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #434 of 1244 🔗

Dear Dierdre

I am considering taking the vaccine in order to protect my elderly parents who sadly passed away some years ago

I wouldn’t normally but Prince Charles has asked me to and I feel I could be letting him down if I didn’t

C of Cornwall

425777 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cecil B, 1, #435 of 1244 🔗

I wonder how much The Duke of Cornwall knows.

425682 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 29, #436 of 1244 🔗

“If you say no to your boss, or your spouse, or your mother, when it needs to be said, then you transform yourself into someone who can say no when it needs to be said. If you say yes when no needs to be said, however, you transform yourself into someone who can only say yes, even when it is clearly time to say no. If you ever wonder how perfectly ordinary, decent people could find themselves doing the terrible things the gulag camp guards did, you now have your answer. By the time no seriously needed to be said, there was no one left capable of saying it.” – Jordan Peterson

425686 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bugle, 6, #437 of 1244 🔗

That is a great quote, and so true.

425695 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Bugle, 12, #438 of 1244 🔗

I remember watching programs a few years back about Hitler trying to understand how he could brainwash or influence an entire country. Now we know!

425701 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to ThomasT, 7, #439 of 1244 🔗

I’ve been saying this for months. My other half used to pah pah me and say it’s not remotely the same…..funny he doesn’t say that anymore.

425849 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to ThomasT, 9, #440 of 1244 🔗

The only good thing that might come out of this is the shredding of the presumption held by many there, that Britons or Americans are a superior kind of people who would never have fallen or ever fall to such manipulation.
This could have been quite good for ze Germans reputation, especially in the UK, but then they have gone the most full and zealous Stasi again.

425694 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #441 of 1244 🔗

Out of 10 what mark would the average person give the Government Behavioural Insights team (BIT)?

425739 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to DanClarke, 1, #442 of 1244 🔗

One million percent – that’s what the average person living in the UK would give. Thank fuck they don’t generally infest this site.

425826 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #443 of 1244 🔗

You need to up that by a Ferguson I would think.

425860 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 1, #444 of 1244 🔗

They’d score highly in terms of the number of fucked-up minds.

425697 RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #445 of 1244 🔗

The important point about what is contained in the ‘Matt Hancock Acted Unlawfully’ piece is the question :
Would you trust this bunch of spivs to give you the truth about Covid or vaccines?”

425791 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #446 of 1244 🔗

There’s certainly an element of spivvery about them, but do you think Macron, Merkel, Conte etc etc are all spivs too?

425858 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #447 of 1244 🔗

Interesting question. I was certainly thinking about Mr Toad and pals, for whom the term is entirely appropriate.

It doesn’t fit Macron and Merkel quite as well. What terms do makes a good suggestion game. 🙂

426000 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #448 of 1244 🔗

I guess my point was that while the PM may well be a spiv, spivvery doesn’t seem to be fundamental to having given in to the coronapanic

425700 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 13, #449 of 1244 🔗

A much better article today from Jonathan. The full article about Ferguson is well worth reading and forwarding to MPs etc. That psychopath is close to the root cause of this madness. We need some proper invasive investigation into this menace to reveal the full corruption.

425709 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #450 of 1244 🔗

We need to do something invasive to him, not necessarily an investigation .

425757 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 4, #451 of 1244 🔗

From the looks of his eco-loony paramour he might enjoy that too much.

425724 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #452 of 1244 🔗

Plus his backers, like Blair and Gates

425704 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #453 of 1244 🔗

Time to do a mass compalint to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner about Hancock treating parliament with contempt?

Up to now she’s refused to invetsigate anyone for anything but maybe the verdict in the court case can wake her up.

425837 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #454 of 1244 🔗

Here are her details:

Kathryn Stone OBE
Commons Parliamentary Standards Commissioner


425706 RickH, replying to RickH, 13, #455 of 1244 🔗

Jonathan Barr can’t help conceding to the Spivs, can he? :

Yes there was an emergency…

Only for a short time was there a genuine possiblility. By May, it was pretty obvious that there wasn’t.

425754 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RickH, 1, #456 of 1244 🔗

Not long after peak deaths on 8 April probably.

425707 Cecil B, 9, #457 of 1244 🔗

Don’t remember voting for a child abusing nonce to run the country

425714 isobar, replying to isobar, 19, #458 of 1244 🔗

TOWIE Star fights back:

Dan Osborne ‘is under investigation by police’ after flouting lockdown rules by travelling EIGHT HOURS to visit new puppy with wife Jacqueline Jossa… as he tells critics to ‘go f*** yourselves’’

I like his style!

425737 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to isobar, 1, #459 of 1244 🔗

Moderated comments, you’ll be surprised (not) that it’s only the uber critical one that are “allowed”

(but I only got down 1st page)

425716 mj, replying to mj, 21, #460 of 1244 🔗

one of the newspapers suggests that there may be a cabinet reshuffle with Wankcock moving from Health to Education
Hasn’t children’s education suffered enough over the last year without inflicting him on them.

425722 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mj, 2, #461 of 1244 🔗

That’s funny, a scientist then a teacher………

425751 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DanClarke, 3, #462 of 1244 🔗

Perfect for the role of Child Catcher, his career will go chitty, chitty bang bang with luck (owing to the lack of chits for the contracts to chums).

425732 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mj, 5, #463 of 1244 🔗

It may be desperation but I really hope this is true. Once anyone starts pointing the finger there will suddenly be knives thrown everywhere and only bloody shreds will remain of Handjob, Whitless etc

425786 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mj, 6, #464 of 1244 🔗

He should become the new Minister for Hospitality. The first visit with representatives, they might present him with a specially brewed pint.
Oh, he died? So sad!

425825 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mj, 4, #465 of 1244 🔗

Twatt Wanksock should be made minister for public urinals.

425718 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #466 of 1244 🔗

This is the pandemic flu plan prepared by the Gov in 2011

This was thrown in the bin due to the Chinese invention of lockdown. Shocking reading. They have done everything not recommended in these guidelines.

“The UK’s pandemic plan from 2011 is, a decade on, a breathtaking read. It assumed 315,000 deaths (x3 Covid), but advised against masks, closing schools, businesses, and mass quarantine. (Read clauses 4.15, 4.18, 4.21) What happened?



425807 ▶▶ isobar, replying to swedenborg, 2, #467 of 1244 🔗

Are we any closer to knowing the exact chain of decisions (who made them and when) to throw this into the bin? Any truth in the story that Macron threatened to close the border if we didn’t lock down?

425850 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to isobar, #468 of 1244 🔗

It’ll be a fascinating area for historians to try to mine.

425844 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #469 of 1244 🔗

Not only the UK plan, but that of the WHO as well.

We’ve been asking that question for almost a year now.

425846 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to swedenborg, 2, #470 of 1244 🔗

Yes, read from section 4.10 onwards and try to spot any similarities to the madness we are enacting now.

425723 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #471 of 1244 🔗

Could the Raddison Blu Heathrow be our Bastille

425734 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cecil B, 3, #472 of 1244 🔗

It used to be the best airport hotel in the world

425741 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Cecil B, 4, #473 of 1244 🔗

How about referring to it as the plague hospital, that’ll give Raddison’s PR something to think about.

425745 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #474 of 1244 🔗

Or the Bethlehem Hospital. Viewing of gibbering inmates by appointment, poking sticks extra.

425727 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 26, #475 of 1244 🔗

Don’t wear a mask
Don’t social distance
Don’t take the vaccine
Don’t listen to MSM

Boris is a tyrant

425830 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Silver cat, 8, #476 of 1244 🔗

Don’t get tested.

425962 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to JayBee, 4, #477 of 1244 🔗

The most crucial one of all.

425728 RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #478 of 1244 🔗

“What Children are Really Being Taught at Home”
… Is a brilliant ‘must read’. Not only for its analysis of the immediate effects of the Big Tech money-making scheme, but because it goes more deeply into the dire consequences of pseudo-reality – that can be extended more widely.

425787 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #479 of 1244 🔗

You make a good and interesting point about pseudo reality

There has always been some part of life that is lived vicariously, going back thousands of years when people listened to or read stories of great deeds

As technology has moved on, pseudoreality has become more sophisticated and more widely used/abused

Balance in all things

It’s good to watch great deeds but then you should be inspired to go out and do them yourself, or do something

I don’t watch much TV but the channels and shows I watch don’t feature much about covid – the ads are muzzle-free in general. I am partly glad of this, but partly conscious that this may be double-edged. The people who make the ads and the shows probably know that we don’t want to be reminded of how shit life is, but my worry is that people will watch this stuff and enjoy it and see say a shop with bare faced customers or a crowded bar and somehow imagine that these are experiences that are available and that they themselves have just experienced them . Maybe better if we had terrible locked down filth on TV so there was no escape available.

425841 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 7, #480 of 1244 🔗

Just a tangential thought : but could all of what we are experiencing be classified as ‘pseudo-reality’ – the concept of a deadly all-prevalent pathogen that is ready to pounce at any minute, but which will be warded off by compliance to certain ritual acts?

425907 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, #481 of 1244 🔗

Indeed- as GrannySlayer doesn’t seem to be around to plug Jean Baudrillard’s insights into narrative and reality, I hereby do so. (Please order from Waterstone’s, where my modest commission has been agreed.)

425735 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 11, #482 of 1244 🔗

When Christmas was cancelled at the last minute we were told that we could celebrate Christmas at Easter.

The rumoured ‘relaxation of restrictions’ or rather, further extension of the unjustified, damaging draconian measures, would in effect cancel Easter too.

From what I can see, the current (inflated) numbers are far more encouraging than the doom laden predictions that we were given at Christmas.

So what for crying out loud can possibly be provided as the justification for extending our period of incarceration?

425743 ▶▶ Binra, replying to SilentP, 3, #483 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely anything you (people) are willing to eat.
Meaning there is no more than an endless mutating carrot and stick perception management system serving an agenda that does not recognise or extend any right or worth beyond that of stock or assets.

425738 dhid, replying to dhid, 10, #484 of 1244 🔗

There has been much discussion on here about the possible degree of persuasion being used to “encourage” people to be Covid vaccinated, those who have made a rational decision (for whatever reason) to decline the “offer”.

The following letter is being sent to some patients of Shore Medical practices if they have declined Covid vaccination “offers”.

I have myself put some text in bold (just to be clear – NOT done by Shore Medical) as I believe that it may warrant attention/comment here because of the statements made.

There may also be other parts which the better informed here may want to examine and comment on.

Note – I have used “etc” towards the end as it is only details about where it is being given, which is not relevant here.

“Dear X

I understand you have made the decision to decline the Covid 19 vaccination at this time.

Please be aware that should you change your mind we will do our best to offer you vaccination assuming that we have adequate supply of vaccine . The vaccines approved for use in the UK all meet strict standards of safety, quality and effectiveness set out by the independent Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). Clinical trials were all run in accordance with best practice, with the phases being run concurrently.

So far, millions of people have been given a COVID-19 vaccine and reports of serious side effects, such as allergic reactions, have been very rare. No long-term complications have been reported.

To find out more about the vaccination programme and vaccines approved in the UK, see https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

The team at Shore Medical would very strongly advise all patients to accept our invitation for vaccination when offered. We have seen at first hand the impact of Covid 19 on some of our most vulnerable patients, but also on many young and previously healthy people.

The vaccine stimulates the body to produce antibodies to the virus so that it is recognised and destroyed rapidly. The vaccines currently used have different mechanisms for stimulating antibodies, but the immunity they create is the same. They cannot cause Covid infection and they do not affect us in other ways. Please do not become prey to the myths and rumour that are circulated by those who are ill-informed.

We have now vaccinated well over 90% of patients in our priority groups. Please do take time to reconsider receiving the vaccine both for yourself and your community.

Shore Medical is delivering its vaccination programme from etc, etc…………..

Kind regards
The Shore Medical Team”

425748 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to dhid, 6, #485 of 1244 🔗

You should send them the video of Simone Gold “the truth about cv” on bitchute, and near the end of the talk she and her colleagues “strongly advise” not to have the shot.

425827 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to pub with no beer, 2, #486 of 1244 🔗

Hopefully they, and others like them, will see these posts and have cause to realise that not all patients are as naive as they think and do look at other opinion and make informed choices for themselves.

425749 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to dhid, 9, #487 of 1244 🔗

So they don’t consider death a ‘long term complication’ ?!

425796 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Old Trout, 6, #488 of 1244 🔗

Death is a short term complication for the person who is dead. For everyone around them it is much longer term.

425800 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Old Trout, 1, #489 of 1244 🔗

I suppose it makes their Patient list a bit smaller. Lol.

425801 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Old Trout, 4, #490 of 1244 🔗

Can they please define “long term”. Do they mean 4 weeks?

425758 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to dhid, 17, #491 of 1244 🔗

That is both untrue and coercion. I am now getting very worried. I have declined the vaccine but have been getting odd calls from my Practice. I have been told I missed a ultrasound exam and asked why. I missed it in 2019! And 2020! No calls then. It is my body and my decision. I was then informed I was due a blood test and I pointed out in was due last year and they cancelled it. It got very nasty and the ‘facilitator’ (formerly known as a receptionist) hung up. I have friends who are being told that they must sign to say they are taking full responsibility for missed smear tests and told the NHS won’t treat them should they get symptoms. The tone the facilitator used was extremely nasty and was more akin to a bank official than a healthcare professional. Why are they suddenly going back through records and covering their arses? I have never had so many calls from the practice. Invitation after invitation to have the vaccine even though it is supposed to be on my notes that I don’t have vaccines. Questions about historic ‘tests’. I am deeply suspicious.

425797 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Mutineer, 6, #492 of 1244 🔗

I have friends who are being told that they must sign to say they are taking full responsibility for missed smear tests and told the NHS won’t treat them should they get symptoms.”

Yes, I wonder if the practice who sent this would be prepared to sign a document accepting legal liability for any ill effect, damage or death from any of the vaccines? They have stated:

“.. cannot cause Covid infection and they do not affect us in other ways

As the Pharma have been absolved from liability here by the Government.

425899 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Mutineer, 3, #493 of 1244 🔗

Just because they call themselves a facilitator, it doesn’t mean you have to. They are a receptionist.

425935 ▶▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to Mutineer, 8, #494 of 1244 🔗

I’ve never had so much interest from my health authority. In the past month I have been offered a flu jab, a smear test, and a breast screening. That’s great (apart from the flu jab – I just thought that offering that to a healthy 50 year old at the tail end of flu season was a bit pointless) but I’ve spent 10 years battling for help for an elderly parent and no one in the NHS gave a shit. And I, parent and my partner have all had to end up paying privately for care that really should have been available but wasn’t. So I feel it’s all a bit ‘too little too late’ pretending to give a shit now when I’ve been driven to absolute despair over the past decade by their total negligence.

426036 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Occamsrazor, #495 of 1244 🔗

I’m not sure if you can opt out of having the flu jab but you can certainly opt out of receiving the intrusive smear test, breast screening and bowel cancer screening invitations. Thankfully I’ve never given my GPs surgery my mobile number or email address. Any letters will be returned unopened and marked no longer at this address.

426105 ▶▶▶▶▶ albert hall, replying to fiery, 3, #496 of 1244 🔗

I’ve opted out of seasonal flu jab for the last four years. My old mum who lasted until 101 always had the jab and promptly caught a mild dose so I scratched my noodle and thought maybe it’s not for me

425765 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to dhid, 11, #497 of 1244 🔗

Sounds like Shore Medical Practice need to be reminded about the ethics of consent, medical staff putting pressure on people is unethical


“The decision to either consent or not to consent to treatment must be made by the person, and must not be influenced by pressure from medical staff, friends or family”

“If an adult has the capacity to make a voluntary and informed decision to consent to or refuse a particular treatment, their decision must be respected”

425819 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Lindy, 4, #498 of 1244 🔗

Yes, I suspect we may hear a lot more about –

“… not be influenced by pressure from medical staff”

In the future, once legal teams could take on cases for those who might have suffered harm from something that they may have been put under undue pressure to take.

425767 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to dhid, 8, #499 of 1244 🔗

To date I’ve had one phone call, two letters and a text inviting me for my salvation. The last letter told me to expect a phone call from nhs if I don’t take up the ‘offer,’ their number is blocked

425785 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to albert hall, 3, #500 of 1244 🔗

Good choice albert!

426040 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to albert hall, #501 of 1244 🔗

What’s the phone number from the NHS please.

426096 ▶▶▶▶ albert hall, replying to fiery, 2, #502 of 1244 🔗

0300 561 0240

426447 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to albert hall, 1, #503 of 1244 🔗

Thank you – have added this to my phone and blocked.

426135 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to fiery, 1, #504 of 1244 🔗

Interestingly they don’t actually give a general phone number on the letter, for “Shore Medical” who are sending the letter, other than one to “book an appointment” (I didn’t copy that bit in my post) but the letter “Return Address” on the envelope is for this address:


The “Registered Address” for Shore Medical found here:


The number albert hall has given is the NHS vaccine line, which I think is what you wanted?

425778 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to dhid, 11, #505 of 1244 🔗

No long-term complications have been reported.”

They started vaccinating in December. It’s a bit soon to say that…

425784 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to this is my username, 2, #506 of 1244 🔗


425854 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to this is my username, 6, #507 of 1244 🔗

And the majority of those vaccinated haven’t had their second dose yet which is a not insignificant stage in determining possible adverse reactions to the vaccine.

425779 ▶▶ Apache, replying to dhid, -4, #508 of 1244 🔗

Everything was fair enough up to the and your community . When it is my turn I shall see if I can have a consultation with a clinician and discuss choice of vaccines (AZ, Pfizer, Moderna etc) and if I can have it at the scheduled detailed by the manufacturer.

425810 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to dhid, 4, #509 of 1244 🔗

The “ill-informed” with years of professional experience in medicine or related science.
Most people writing on FB and other platforms base their opinions on writings and videos of people who are experts in their fields.

425884 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to dhid, 12, #510 of 1244 🔗

That’s scary. It’s about as far away from informed consent as you can get. Without going into detail there are a number of things I dislike in that letter.

  1. No information (even if they think that is justified) that the experimental vaccine was approved under the emergency rules
  2. Reports of side affects have been common, I think it is generally recognised even by those supporting vaccination that side affects are significant (e.g. perhaps 10x worse than the flu jab). And some side affects have been serious. They should link to information on side affects such as MHRA website rather than make such bland statements.
  3. There have been long term complications including death. How many are attributable to the vaccine they can debate, but to state there have been none is just wrong.
  4. Stating vaccine mediated immunity is the same as natural immunity is nonsense. But if they believe that they should state it is an opinion not as a fact.
  5. They should point out that any long term affects can’t be known, but to crassly just say the trials have been done concurrently implying there are no long term affects is negligent in my view.
  6. Making vague emotional arguments about the affect of covid on some of their patients is not conducive to informed decision making. It’s like saying we have seen the affect of road traffic accidents on some of our patients, please do not drive.
  7. Strongly advising ALL patients shows a complete lack of individual consideration. The chances of a young person dying with or from covid is not just less but enormously less than an older person and in the case of a young healthy person it is trivially small. Even if you think the benefit exceeds the harm in some patients, the benefit/harm trade off is completely different between individuals.
  8. Their complete ignorance of basic immunology and how vaccines work, and their crass belief this is all about antibodies and failure to realise the importance of T cells, is deeply worrying.
  9. Suggesting you should be vaccinated for your community rather than to protect your own health is shocking, and I suspect breaches some of the rules they are supposed to follow. They give no reason why it benefits the community. For example when others in the community can be vaccinated to ‘protect’ themselves.
  10. They can remind people to be careful in looking at information to ensure it is reliable. But it is not acceptable to brand views that go against yours as myth and rumour. Tell the children affected by the pandemrix vaccine, with their lives ruined through narcolepsy that any new vaccine is safe and won’t affect you in other ways.
  11. There should be a balanced statement somewhere in there that any vaccine can have harms as well as benefits, but that they believe the benefits exceed the harms (if that is what they believe). To fail to state that shows the absence of balanced decision making and the lack of informed consent.
426097 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #511 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for your detailed reply.

Yes, the letter is lacking in very many ways, and it could be seen as misinformation because there is zero admission that not all the “facts” stated in it, are verifiable at the present time.

It certainly can’t be seen as balanced, as you say, and those who have been harmed in the past by other vaccines, would be outraged by it, no doubt.

425897 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to dhid, 3, #512 of 1244 🔗

It seems like they have missed a marketing trick here. My local hospital a few weeks back was using the “even if you don’t care about yourself, get the vaccine as it will protect your loved ones” line to try and guilt people into having it. Clearly a load of bull as the vaccine doesnt stop you getting it and doesnt stop you transmitting it, but what does a few actual facts matter?

Remember the Surgery get sales commision on each vaccine given, so its in their interests to market it as strongly as possible, like they do with the flu vaccine to make maximum profits from it.

426147 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to ThomasT, #513 of 1244 🔗

The “even if you don’t care about yourself…” is both sick and, as you say complete BS.

As you say, I expect they are worried about not getting enough commission – when you start looking at Companies House at some of the interests of partners in Shore Medical it becomes very convoluted and you realise that the simple “family doctor” that some older folk think of, is a long disappeared animal.

426210 ▶▶ dhid, replying to dhid, 1, #514 of 1244 🔗

LATER ADDITION by dhid to my original post.

It occurs to me that the letter I quoted is not “signed” or claimed by any named individual, so I wonder about any legal issue if the validity, or otherwise, of the statements made within the letter could be challenged, e.g. if a recipient made their decision to receive vaccination on the basis of the statements in the contents, and subsequently suffered harm as a result.

Given the nature of this somewhat involved organisation sending it (and possibility of that changing), would it not be difficult to know who to direct any such activity against, most especially as there is no claimed author?

425744 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #515 of 1244 🔗

From zeroCovid-19 countries. The authorities are alarmed. Officially they have very ,very few cases. Could it be the recalcitrant population don’t want to test despite symptoms? They are now sketching this wastewater testing in three Australian states to send out alert messages to people according to which parts affectd.

The difficult world of zeroCovid.


“Wastewater testing: COVID-19 detected in three states Traces of COVID-19 have been detected in the wastewater of three states, putting authorities on alert”

425782 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to swedenborg, 7, #516 of 1244 🔗

They have as much Covid there as we do.
They just made sure the tests run at a very low CT number to hide this, fool their people and us.
Every outlier country seems to have its place and/on the (WEF/Gates?) given agenda, to confuse or seed hope in order to lead others into even more confusing and detrimental policies etc..

The useless tests main and most important function and feature is the deliberately denigrating and dehumanizing swabbing process: you are tested to condition you, to be shown and accept who’s the boss.
There is an article in the FAZ today where the association of German lab doctors stresses just this: the money must be kept flowing to them, swabbing by pharmacists is a no-go as they would be too nice to their customers, LFTs/self swabbing is a no-go anyway.
“The nasal swab must produce so much harm that you break into tears, the one in the throat must make you want to puke.”
Original words of the Dr. who chairs that organization- Mengele would be proud of him, but then these days, most doctors and all chairs of their organizations seem to have studied at the Leonardo Conti school of medicine.

This also explains why the less invasive US test has recently run into problems with the FDA when the manufacturers tried to widen its use to asymptomatic people.
And then, there are more and more stories about the tests really being devices to make people very sick over time and the first such illnesses and deaths arising: try to avoid ANY test like the plague, if you don’t want to run this risk, which must be deemed ever more credible.

In a nutshell: as everything, this is in truth solely about obedience, conditioning, punishing, denigrating, ruining and killing as many people as
possible without being blameable for it.

425746 Smelly Melly, 14, #517 of 1244 🔗

Read a good descriptive phrase of what we are living through. We are living under “Medical Tyranny”.

425755 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 12, #518 of 1244 🔗

Covid is the same as climate change….bollocks

425802 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Silver cat, -8, #519 of 1244 🔗

No – that statement is ‘bollocks’.

Whatever your views on climate change – a genuinely open question – it’s not ‘the same’ sort of debate at all.

It’s sloppy stuff like that which feeds 77th Brigade.

425820 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to RickH, 14, #520 of 1244 🔗

The very same tactics have been used to squash real debate in both subjects.

426125 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to nottingham69, 5, #521 of 1244 🔗

and both are characterised by the same ‘dealth cult’ behaviour. they even have their saints and martyrs: St Greta of Thunberg is the equivalent of the virgin who was visited by Our Lady – she who can see CO2 – I mean FFS, what century is this anyway

426003 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 6, #522 of 1244 🔗

No – that statement is ‘bollocks’.

An opinion, just like the one to which it was addressed.

But clearly there are very strong arguments indeed that climate alarmism is structurally very similar to coronapanic.

The same basis in modelling nonsense.

The same response to dissent – it’s “irresponsible” and “dangerous”, and those who engage in it are “deniers”

The same establishment commitment to it and to its enforcement (the BBC long ago openly admitted that they no longer felt any need to give dissenters any airtime, and that when they did, their presenters would be expected to give it a very hard time, whilst on the other hand they routinely and regularly push the establishment climate alarmist line.)

426044 ▶▶▶▶ Silver cat, replying to Mark, 2, #523 of 1244 🔗

I’m right. If you can’t see that you are clearly not paying attention to what’s going on.

426175 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 1, #524 of 1244 🔗

Sadly the minute they whip out the models based on vague data with much higher uncertainty than the hypothesis requires, it becomes the same dog and pony show.

As I’ve said here multiple times, belief in man-made climate change is the gateway drug to believing Covid nonsense.

425762 Victoria, 4, #525 of 1244 🔗
425769 Julian, replying to Julian, 18, #526 of 1244 🔗

Lovely day where I am, lots of people out and about around the common, market day in town, lots of people meeting up and catching up, the fountain that people used to sit round has been barricaded so people are standing round it instead, leaning on the barriers

Outdoor masking has peaked IMO and where I am shifted from the worried old (maybe because they have been jabbed) to the worried middle aged – saw a fair few portly couples with muzzles

Pleased to say that none of the market stall workers has ever worn a mask, the one I’m most fond of is the very large, unhealthy looking chap who runs the burger van. If ever someone was at risk, it’s him, but he has carried on, bare faced.

425798 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #527 of 1244 🔗

I was pleased (two days ago – when the weather was briefly spring-like) to see nobody wearing masks outdoors, and the park near to our grandchildren full of families doing what you do without any obvious inhibition.

425813 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #528 of 1244 🔗

Yes, same here when we had some sun this week

Obviously people who choose to linger outdoors are a self-selected group who would tend to be less worried, but even round the market where people are there to shop, there were not many nervous faces

There’s a huge appetite to live again, and large numbers of people who wouldn’t think a great deal about covid if it wasn’t beamed at them constantly – that energy needs to be a bit more directed and harnessed to get behind a public movement to declare “it” over. That hasn’t happened yet, but it might.

425770 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #529 of 1244 🔗

Can somebody inform me if it’s correct that medical practices receive a “bonus” if Covid is recorded on death certificates?

425775 ▶▶ JME, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #530 of 1244 🔗

No- that’s definitely not correct.

425836 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #531 of 1244 🔗

I was elated to see this article by Bel Mooney in this morning’s Daily Mail. Based on recent personal experience, she is now asking the questions regarding covid being certified as the cause of death that many of us have been asking for nearly twelve months. Shame that it takes personal experience to motivate journalists to even think about these issues. Excellent BTL comments as well.


Being that she is a respected journalist with no ‘conspiracy agenda’, maybe her observations will prompt more people to wake up to what is going on.

425863 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Dodderydude, 10, #532 of 1244 🔗

A case of “ they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one”.
She’s started on the path hopefully taking more with her.

425842 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Smelly Melly, #533 of 1244 🔗

Rules have been relaxed “for the emergency period” (see:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf )
which coupled with the availability heuristic has potentially led to significant levels of misattribution.

425771 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #534 of 1244 🔗

UK Government Releases Shocking Report On COVID Vaccine Side Effects

Thanks to the Pfizer vaccine, which uses MRNA technology to instruct human cells to carry out “a certain task” 5 people are now blind and a further 31 have had their vision impaired. In total there have been 634 eye disorders reported so far. Imagine being confined to the same four walls for over a year and not being able to see family or friends. Then getting excited because you naively think an experimental “vaccine” is going to give you your life back and allow you to see them once more. But then leaving without the ability to ever see anything ever again.



Is it all a lie? – Stay at Home > Protect the NHS > 100K Deaths – An analysis of ONS and NHS data

425790 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 3, #535 of 1244 🔗

Serves them right is an expression that springs to mind

426119 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 2, #536 of 1244 🔗

it’s tempting to think like that, when we have to endure such vitriol and nastiness for standing up for human rights against tyranny and fascism, but surely most of these people are just victims, innocent old people who have been lied to and duped?

425876 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Victoria, 2, #537 of 1244 🔗

That info is now well out of date. The figures now are even higher.

425774 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #538 of 1244 🔗

Firstly – ME-KNOW-VACCINE-BAD but;

Whatever happens in the UK re proof of vaccine requirements (I wouldn’t shop, drink, eat, etc anywhere that required such proof) there is still a strong possibility some countries will want to see some sort of vaccine passport before allowing entry.

Although I would certainly not have any covid vaccine for medical reasons it may become necessary to get vaccinated to travel to some countries. (please don’t state the obvious but unhelpful, ”just don’t visit those countries”)

So, just to clarify, i would not take any covid vaccine for medical reasons because I have an immune system that takes care of that shit for me.

For travel purposes only – does anyone know anything about this nasal spray vaccine and does it reduce the risks of long term compromise of the immune system…

”The first patient has been dosed in the Phase 1 clinical trial of COVI-VAC, a single-dose, intranasal, live attenuated vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.”


please please please to not ”tourettes” type answer if you just don’t know or are just repeating what we all know about the vaccines, if confused then re read from the top.

Many thanks in advance.

425808 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Major Panic, 2, #539 of 1244 🔗

BHF has a good summary of the vaccines in trial, but I don’t know whether that one is on there and it seems to be way behind the others.
I have the same issues you have with regard to travelling that might force me to consider getting jabbed at some point and understand everyone who’ll do it just for that, although I think there us a huge difference, depending on your vaccine concern level, what you want to travel for and where to: family/holiday home abroad: you’ll have to do it eventually, can only wait another year or so. Cruise, buddy trips to somewhere fancy: wait for as long as you can until more data or bodies have piled up.
The first one I would consider from that BHF list is the Novavax one (traditional, recombinant, safest), but I need to do more RX on the adjuvant, nanoparticles in it etc..

425838 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JayBee, 4, #540 of 1244 🔗

great thanks, I am certainly going to ‘wait and see’ as there is no current legal travel abroad for pleasure – i have family and friends in europe and US – I usually bugger off every 5-ish weeks, a little but often. There’s a bunch of us that ski 2/3 times a year.

Anticipating these trips is a major part of their benefit and one thing that really fucks me off is having nothing in the pipeline.

If you learn anything more please do keep us updated

425847 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to JayBee, #541 of 1244 🔗


425852 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to mattghg, #542 of 1244 🔗

British Heart Foundation maybe?

425928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Major Panic, #543 of 1244 🔗

I think that’s a typo, and that s/he meant “BNF”- British National Formulary.”

426463 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to JayBee, #545 of 1244 🔗


425780 Richy_m_99, 7, #546 of 1244 🔗

The Foreign Office have now issued revised advice, regarding how to greet strangers you meet on your travels. This is applicable for all travellers to Asia, where Covid-19 testing is now being carried out with anal swaps.

425781 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 4, #547 of 1244 🔗

Best edition for a long long time. Begins with Hancock getting ready for prison, I think, and then the beautifully made ?Turkish? film – what an impressive piece of work. We must all communicate gently with our loved ones – I keep quiet all week and then send a 2-pager on Sunday and ask for their respect to me by reading it for 10 minutes each week. March 6th looks like being the key date for us to make a point – supermarket at 9 with no mask; local park at 12 with some banners etc. What do people think? Is the 6th the best date?

425848 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bungle, 1, #548 of 1244 🔗

Best edition for a long time? Did you miss the bit where Mr Barr asserted that there was an emergency in March 2020, therein justifying the lockdown measures?

425788 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 27, #549 of 1244 🔗

Being a sheep and not asking questions is what the government and media prefer. But this fake pandemic has revealed something interesting to me.

A frightening number of people around me also prefer that we don’t ask questions. Instead, we are labelled “deniers” and “conspiracy theorists”

Over the last 10 months I have been reported to numerous authorities for challenging mainstream narratives surrounding lockdowns , masks , social distancing, the disease , the vaccine , PCR tests , and so on.

YouTube banned a bunch of my video podcasts and openly stated that they will remove any video that isn’t aligned with the views of the WHO.

I regularly receive emails from mindless drones who accuse me of spreading misinformation, but when prompted for supporting evidence, they provide nothing other than lots of empty words and logical fallacies.

Even the media doesn’t want people asking questions.


425795 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Victoria, 4, #550 of 1244 🔗

couldn’t agree more. had a chat with one of my more questioning colleagues yesterday and said there that I feel increasingly that we can’t discuss topics relating to a counter narrative or simply just raise any concerns…Nothings is actually said by the wider team, its just an avoidance at all costs of discussing anything that doesn’t fit the narrative, with the occasional dig at non compliance (just so we all know what should be done).

425812 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Victoria, 6, #551 of 1244 🔗

It’s little more than superstition. You mustn’t do or say anything that might cause more people to die as if there is a direct link between death and people’s thoughts.

425799 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #552 of 1244 🔗

is there a protest in London Today?

425814 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 5, #553 of 1244 🔗

If there isn’t there should be. There should be one in every town and city, every day.

425839 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Cecil B, 6, #554 of 1244 🔗

Not that I’m aware of but it’s a bloody nice day for one. Just been for a run, my part of town is packed! Good to see. Although I did have a lady shrink away and tut as I passed her, had to give her a piece of my mind I’m afraid, fed up of feeling sorry for these people.

425804 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #555 of 1244 🔗

Sun is shining – off to the park to enjoy nature and have lots of fun

425922 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Victoria, 5, #556 of 1244 🔗

Geez, where do all you guys live? It’s absolutely bucketing it down here with gale force winds……

425939 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Victoria, #557 of 1244 🔗

Just trolling us affected by rain and strong winds!

Enjoy your trip to the park and have fun yourself.

425806 Nobody2021, 4, #558 of 1244 🔗

Here’s my simplistic view on the effect of lockdowns.

How are lockdowns (NPIs) supposed to work – They reduce the transmission rate by cutting off routes of transmission

How does immunity work – It reduces the transmission rate by cutting off routes of transmission

I must point out that saying lockdowns work or don’t work is about as meaningful as saying immunity works or doesn’t in this respect. They both have an effect and how we measure that effect is what is important.

Attached is a chart I knocked up to help me visualise how a Herd Immunity Threshold (HiT) might be achieved depending on the mix of immunity and NPI.

In the absence of immunity we are solely reliant on NPI to limit the spread of a virus. The more immunity there is the less NPI is required to achieve an HiT, i.e. the point where the infection curve turns downward.

Immunity, once gained continues to work. NPIs are single use. The use of NPI slows down the natural build up of immunity which means in order to maintain the same level of effect you have to keep implementing NPIs.

There are so many people who claim that NPIs save lives but if this is to be accepted as fact then it must be true that immunity also saves lives. They would work in the same way.

We can see from real world data that regardless of the level of NPI the end result is the same, in fact it’s turning out worse in many if not most places. This backs up the idea that NPI acts in the same way as immunity. Unless people are totally isolated from each other immunity will naturally build up in a population as people become infected. So in the long term it is preferrable to have immunity.

When we factor in all the additional costs of NPIs to achieve the same or worse result as natural immunity then there should be no sane person in the world who could think that lockdowns are a reasonable response to this pandemic.

425815 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 11, #559 of 1244 🔗

The importance of perspective.

Age-standardised mortality rates England and Wales, 1942-2020 (2020 is provisional)

Year Age-standardised mortality rate (per 100,000 population)
1942   2,221.7
1943   2,243.7
1944   2,111.4
1945   2,080.5
1946   2,133.3
1947   2,243.8
1948   1,957.3
1949   2,168.0
1950   2,156.9
1951   2,373.2
1952   2,084.9
1953   2,093.4
1954   2,041.2
1955   2,101.0
1956   2,083.4
1957   1,971.6
1958   2,027.5
1959   2,004.2
1960   1,947.3
1961   1,915.3
1962   1,886.4
1963   1,969.9
1964   1,949.0
1965   1,965.8
1966   1,792.9
1967   1,817.6
1968   1,858.7
1969   1,759.7
1970   1,864.6
1971   1,816.4
1972   1,876.7
1973   1,850.8
1974   1,828.8
1975   1,802.1
1976   1,843.0
1977   1,741.9
1978   1,746.2
1979   1,752.7
1980   1,689.9
1981   1,666.5
1982   1,661.7
1983   1,638.4
1984   1,580.5
1985   1,626.8
1986   1,577.4
1987   1,514.9
1988   1,514.5
1989   1,513.8
1990   1,462.6
1991   1,464.3
1992   1,415.0
1993   1,453.4
1994   1,374.9
1995   1,392.0
1996   1,372.5
1997   1,350.8
1998   1,327.2
1999   1,320.2
2000   1,266.4
2001   1,236.2
2002   1,231.3
2003   1,232.1
2004   1,163.0
2005   1,143.8
2006   1,104.3
2007   1,091.8
2008   1,091.9
2009   1,033.8
2010   1,017.1
2011   978.6
2012   987.4
2013   985.9
2014   953.0
2015   993.2
2016   966.9
2017   965.3
2018   965.4
2019   925.0
2020   1,043.5

Source : Office for National Statistics: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12735annualdeathsandmortalityrates1938to2020provisional [accessed 20 February 2021].

425845 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #560 of 1244 🔗

When i first saw this a few weeks ago I pointed out that the average of 2019 and 2020 is only slightly above the average of 2016 to 2018 – and includes all the deaths caused by withholding non-covid medical treatments in 2020

425816 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #561 of 1244 🔗

The piece on home-schooling was particularly depressing. No one, not even a competent teacher, should even attempt to reproduce schooling at home with their child/ren. Any attempt to do so could only have, at best no positive benefit, and at worst would have terrible outcomes.

A parent dealing with the consequences of the government closure of schools (yes, I know the government in court denied it had closed schools) should be concerned for the welfare of their child. The school curriculum is a matter for schools.

The child’s welfare should be the primary concern. This concern would suggest an approach to the child’s education that is very different to the concerns of a highly bureaucratised educational institution. It would be personalised and tailored to the needs, routines and practices of the family.

The priority should be exercise and play. This should take up a significant amount of the time in each that is devoted to education. The major emphasis should be on fun.

Turning to academic learning. Here the approach should be holistic (rather than the bureaucratised division of knowledge that is found in schools). Something should be selected that is of some intrinsic interest. It does not matter what it is. It could be a story, some historical event, or anything else: something the child will find interesting. To illustrate. Say a story is selected. There is the reading aloud of a portion of the story. This is followed by discussion: what happened, why did character X do Y, what feelings did the narration evoke, etc. There can then be some writing about this or the creation of a storyboard or a timeline, some artwork illustrating an aspect/s of the work read, etc. This work would be done independently and later reviewed and assessed. This pattern is repeated until the study of the story is completed. When a new topic is selected.

This approach enables learning that is not perceived as work, still less as an oppressive imposition, which is precisely what trying to reproduce schooling at home inevitably leads to. Trying to reproduce schooling at home is just another of the lockdown child abuses, and I cannot understand why any parent would wish to impose that on their child. The closure of schools offers an opportunity for learning that is not determined by bureaucracy: parents ought to take it for the welfare of their children and ought not to feel any need to try to force their children to slavishly follow a school curriculum. If authority figures want the school curriculum to be taught and studied, the solution is available to them: open the schools.

425873 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #562 of 1244 🔗

No one, not even a competent teacher, should even attempt to reproduce schooling at home with their child/ren. Any attempt to do so could only have, at best no positive benefit, and at worst would have terrible outcomes.

In the context of lockdown I agree that this is disastrous.

I don’t agree, if this is held to be a wider principle. Homeschooling definitely has a place and can be very successful with parents who do it right. I’ve known some, and met some very well educated and adjusted people arising out of it. It’s more common and much better supported in some US states.

In our current (I mean pre-covid) context , in which we have collectivised mass schooling that includes systematic political indoctrination, the more who can escape from it the better. But it is not easy to do so for most, and the wider support structures of community and friendships are often not present and hard to reproduce.

425917 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #563 of 1244 🔗

Why do you vitiate reasonable points for argument with totally barmy statements such as :

we have collectivised mass schooling that includes systematic political indoctrination”

Clearly, there has been political indoctrination in some legislation – as, for example, in the ‘Christian Act of Worship’ imposed by a previous Tory government, and the predations contained within an overblown “National Curriculum” and testing regime.

But, given that all societies tend towards social control, the historical nature of the system is not of systematic conformity – although the tendency has grown over 20 years – ironically, in line with the ‘academy’ (privatisation) movement, with the Covid-like spread of school uniforms etc.

425930 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #564 of 1244 🔗

Why do you vitiate reasonable points for argument with totally barmy statements

Why are you seemingly incapable of grasping that just because you personally like and agree with indoctrination, it somehow doesn’t count as indoctrination? I’ve had four children pass through the state education system. I’ve seen directly the indoctrination they’ve been subjected to. We even used to call “PSHE” “state indoctrination”.

Because that’s what it was, though it wasn’t the only source of it, in school.

426373 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Mark, 2, #565 of 1244 🔗

I am a private tutor and sometimes my students show me the indoctrination they are subjected to. There is no serious balanced consideration of topics like climate change and identity politics. Fortunately I teach maths and piano so I am unaffected.

426402 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #566 of 1244 🔗

It’s not even open to honest question, imo. For an obviously intelligent commenter like RickH to refuse to see it suggests almost willful blindness.

I seem to recall someone here posted recently at some length about the woke indoctrination in the modern teaching qualification courses, or perhaps it was an ATL quote or link..

425920 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, 2, #567 of 1244 🔗

In your disagreement you appear to be assuming educating a child at home is synonymous with the word (home)schooling. These are not synonymous. Schooling is something that happens in schools. The American term homeschooling is a misleading oxymoron.

425936 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #568 of 1244 🔗

Schooling is something that happens in schools. The American term homeschooling is a misleading oxymoron.

Indeed. But a school is also wherever schooling occurs.

Not an oxymoron, merely a different approach to yours.

426377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #569 of 1244 🔗

Education and schooling are two different things.

As a matter of personal curiosity, would you tell me why you use so many Americanisms?

426397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #570 of 1244 🔗

Education and schooling are two different things .”

Hair-splitting semantics I think. Remember that many people who homeschool cooperate with other families to make a group multi-age environment not dissimilar to traditional village schools.

As a matter of personal curiosity, would you tell me why you use so many Americanisms?

Internet, and decades of political discussion with Americans and on American forums, probably. In truth most people of the internet generation use Americanisms all the time. I suspect I’m just a little ahead of my time in that, especially in the context of political and philosophical debate.

426089 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #571 of 1244 🔗

I’m a great believer in home ed, having practised it myself, but what is currently happening is NOT home ed – ie, locking a child up 24/7 with a computer screen, feeding them junk food, and banning them from outdoor exercise, activities, and friends. it is out and out child abuse and neglect, state sponsored, and any teacher who applauds it should never be allowed anywhere near a child again

425817 Awkward Git, 13, #572 of 1244 🔗

Just sent my latest FOI to the DHSC:

“The following statement was made on the 30th January 2020 by the 4 Chief Medical Officers of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and stated:

“the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.
For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.””

This was subsequently used as the “serious and imminent threat” statement that was required to justify and to allow for The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 Statutory Instrument then all subsequent “coronavirus” legislation to be made and to come into force.

My FOI questions:

1 – were there any discussions between any of the Chief Medical Officers and either Ministers, Central and/or devolved Governments prior to this statement being released?

2 – If the answer to Q1 is YES please supply all the relevant correspondence and records.

3 – other than the above statement, did the CMOs and their respective departments and/or assistants supply any other information to Ministers to justify the statement and that shows how the emerging “virus” was a “serious and imminent threat” to the UK and that could be used to justify the subsequent legislation?

4 – If the answer to Q3 is YES please supply all the relevant correspondence and records.

5 – how did the 4 CMOs know 11 days in advance that this statement would be required as this is not a normal or standard statement by the CMOs and was unprecedented?

6 – Why was this “advice” basically hidden on a webpage on a different department’s gov.uk webpage and not on the DHSC webpages?

7 – Why was the relevant webpage not linked to the Serious and Imminent Threat Declaration?”

Will post whatever they finally answer.

425821 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 4, #573 of 1244 🔗

Age-standardised mortality rates England and Wales, 1942-2020 (2020 is provisional)
Source : Office for National Statistics: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12735annualdeathsandmortalityrates1938to2020provisional [accessed 20 February 2021].

(Actual dataset in post a few minutes ago).

426150 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #574 of 1244 🔗

2000 to 1000 in 70+ years is astonishing (note uptick after 1948!).

425822 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 14, #575 of 1244 🔗

The last 12 months has proven to me that most politicians don’t even believe in democracy or freedom.

If they did they’d have spoken up long before now. Instead everyone is left wondering if they still exist. What exactly have they been doing all this time?

426078 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #576 of 1244 🔗

they’re a bunch of useless self-serving wankers, a total waste of space [sorry to bring the tone down after Katabasis’ superb letter above]

425828 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 36, #577 of 1244 🔗

My wife and myself just sent a long, heartfelt letter to Charles Walker. We didn’t pull any punches and also included our academic and clinical credentials.

I don’t know if sharing this will inspire more to write, or help some of you who are feeling the same way, but just in case I’m sharing it below (minus our real identities and credentials of course…). Now’s not the time to remain quiet.

Dear Charles,
Thank you for inviting the general public to write to you and share their experiences.

It is difficult to know where to begin. The hysteria. The overreaction. The frightening authoritarianism. The turning of family members and friends against one another.

Even if we returned to the normal lives so many of us ardently wish for tomorrow I don’t think I will ever recover from this mentally and emotionally. The catastrophically authoritarian reaction to this by the establishment (in which I include the political, media and academic classes – the latter of which I am sadly part) is bad enough.

The fact that so many of my countrymen, countrywomen, friends and family have also succumbed to the hysteria and become frightened, hectoring members of the new biosecurity state Stasi ready to turn in their nearest and dearest for the most minor perceived infraction is a realisation and experience that will remain forevermore at the forefront of my mind. Many friendships and familial bonds are now ruined for life.

We could pull back from the brink, the economy could recover (though I think this highly unlikely – the hammer is yet to fall), our rights and freedoms could be restored (also unlikely) and yet this could all happen again so easily. I have lost all faith, belief and comfort in the society and nation of which I was once so proud. We wondered for decades how Nazi Germany could have happened. Now we know. We are – collectively – no different, it seems.

My wife and myself are both close to the frontline of this insanity. She is a nurse of over two decades experience. For my part, my skillset is in Data Science, specialising in clinical research for the last five years. Both of us have watched this collective madness unfold with horror and have also shared the thoroughly unpleasant experience of having our professional opinions and assessments of the situation dismissed by friends and family who preferred to indulge in media and government driven panic and recrimination of non-believers.

I initially took the Covid-19 pandemic very seriously and reluctantly supported the first lockdown. However, in only a matter of weeks there was sufficient comparative data both nationally and internationally to observe our own government’s policies and belief-system swiftly departing from reality. A responsible government should seek to calm those it is tasked with serving and protecting in a major crisis. Ours – who I’m ashamed to admit both my wife and I voted for in good faith – did the complete opposite and continues to pile on the hysteria and authoritarian overreach today.

In the course of examining the academic literature and the data as it emerged I was horrified to find familiar foes of both the truth and the West from the past staking out their territory and apparently determining government policy. Upon my own examination of Ferguson’s modelling code, even after it was refactored by a software engineer I found it was still incredibly sub-par and the fact his appallingly shoddy work, especially with his track record, became the initial central plank of government response both here and in the U.S. without a complete and thorough peer review still appals me almost a year later.

Ferguson is far from the worst scoundrel in this sorry drama, however. I read Klaus Schwab’s “Covid-19: The Great Reset” as soon as it was published last summer. Reading in black and white Schwab and the WEF’s utterly dystopian blueprint they desire for Western society rocked me to my roots. Johnson has repeated entire sentences from Schwab’s book word for word. He, and it seems many members of the government are disciples of Schwab’s evil and sinister ideology and in retrospect many pre-Covid government policies (such as the insane and utterly suicidal “zero carbon” policies) now make more sense in the context of a government captured by the WEF, Gates and the rest of these despicable megalomaniacs.

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425832 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 32, #578 of 1244 🔗

Even if their goals are frustrated, much of the damage, especially psychologically and emotionally, has been done and is permanent. To my wife, to me, to our friends, our family, to our country.  A frightened, hysterical and self-hating populace is a very easy cohort to control. It is difficult to escape the conclusion that this has been as much a social and psychological experiment carried out on us as anything else, with the government’s “nudge unit” and appallingly amoral husks in the media formally known as “journalists” who are now nothing more than stenographers and hysteria amplifiers.

Many of the mitigation measures are, and always will be in the context of an infectious virus just that – mitigation. They have been sold to the general populace as *prevention* measures. The distinction is important both empirically and in terms of moral behaviour (and moral injury). All we can ever do in the face of a virus is slow its spread until treatments and herd immunity adapt accordingly. This is mitigation.

Many of the most frightened and hectoring busybodies I have encountered since this crisis started appear to believe that these measures are preventative instead. They believe Covid infections are prevented if people are sufficiently zealous in following the rules. If Covid infections continue it is not the measures that are at fault or a virus behaving like viruses do, they believe, it must be that people were not sufficiently assiduous in implementing them. They may as well say people didn’t pray hard enough so God struck them down.

Take mask wearing for example. In public health terms it provides minimal benefit and only if proper protocol is followed (which in 99% of cases it is not). It will almost certainly become a public health crisis all on its own, not least in mental health terms and continued destruction of people’s immune systems. Such a visible symbol of virtue-signalling and compliance however is mana to frightened people who can now freely express their inner authoritarian and bully. Masks, like other measures are interpreted as preventatives not mitigations which is why we now witness the spectacular stupidity of double masking. *If* it is a preventative rather than a mitigation then *of course* wearing two masks make more sense to these people. They’re praying harder.

And now we have the true spectre of this kind of idiotic reasoning and fear rearing its unwelcome head on the horizon: mandatory global vaccination coerced through ‘vaccine passports’. And this is where the mental health of both myself and my wife is affected most. As part of our collective madness, we have departed from decades of good common sense (not to mention ethical) medical practice. Covid-19 is serious, no doubt. But it is not Smallpox. It is not Polio. It most certainly is not Ebola.

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425835 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 73, #579 of 1244 🔗

We are about to eject completely the principle that people who do not need a vaccine should not take it. Especially one that has been rushed to market. How quick so many people are to forget the Government’s previous U-turn on the Swine Flu vaccine after numerous poor victims ended up with narcolepsy. Monitoring the reactions reported here so far in the U.K. and the U.S. to the numerous vaccines it is clear that there is cause for concern already regarding immediate short term reactions and it is perfectly rational for people to adopt a wait-and-see attitude, especially where long-term effects and interactions are concerned.

Moreover, the vast majority of us simply do not need to take the vaccine, period. We have enough data to see clearly now that it is a much more rational choice to allow our immune systems to dispense with the virus rather than subject ourselves to an unnecessary medical treatment. Each time the body is subjected to a vaccine, the immune system is over-stimulated, receiving a jolt that opens a window of vulnerability. Now I see the world’s premier medical expert, Bill Gates, is advocating three – three! – annual vaccinations. For everyone.

The proportion of side effects may seem acceptably small now but that will soon scale up in absolute terms very quickly indeed. From tens of millions of unnecessary injections, to hundreds of millions to what – billions? And three times a year every year? This is madness beyond comprehension.

Looking at the VAERS data for example, deaths are currently “only” in the hundreds so far. I invite you to look at the average age of death at present. 72. Median age of death “with” Covid is around 82 at present. Is that a good exchange in terms of years of life lost? If mass (and ever changing) vaccination for a virus that barely affects most of the population becomes mandatory I guarantee that average age for death due to the vaccination will drop precipitously and the absolute numbers, including for life-changing side-effects will climb precipitously.

Will people at that point still be willing to risk being a statistic? Will you? They’ll get three goes at it every year. Perhaps the five unfortunate women who have been reported in the UK government statistics so far to have experienced spontaneous abortions thanks to the Pfizer vaccine feel grateful that they “saved RNHS” by losing their babies? I note as well, in line with the utterly amoral approach to all of this, that their babies were not counted in the overall mortality. Appalling.

If mandatory / coerced vaccination is introduced for the general population we will collectively be abandoning the most fundamental right an individual can have – the right to bodily integrity. If we do not have that, we have nothing. The medical stasi state effectively owns our bodies at that point and we can, and will, be subject to many more depredations.

To what end? To “save” an abstract NHS (that is supposed to be saving *us*)? As far as I can tell the primary goal is an utterly abhorrent level of authoritarian state control of the individual in the name of obscure collective goods. I can come to no other conclusion. As philosopher Max Stirner put it a century and a half ago in ‘The Ego and its Own’, “they cut off the heads of men to serve Man”. As good an argument against the ills of overbearing collectivism as I’ve ever read. Incidentally an academic philosopher friend of mine who is still very much alive argued this slightly differently – every time “Public Health” is invoked, it means your body and your health become property of “Public Health”. That is where we are going with this.

Now if the coming economic catastrophe as a result of this ongoing(!) madness doesn’t destroy the lives and careers of my wife and myself that we have worked so hard to build then the mandatory vaccine “mandate” and normalisation of “vaccine passports” for ordinary activities such as shopping or socialising occurs then we both consider our lives effectively over. We have discussed this and for us, if this occurs, it is perfectly rational grounds for suicide for both of us. Neither of us want to live in such a horrifying authoritarian hellscape and I don’t think either of us could live with ourselves either if we conceded to its demands. If we have no rights over our own bodies we have no rights at all and nothing else matters a damn, especially in a world where our own friends and family are turned against us for refusing to join in the collective madness.

Yours in utter despair,

Dr. Katabasis.

425862 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Katabasis, 6, #580 of 1244 🔗

Powerful, well argued stuff, thanks.

the five unfortunate women who have been reported in the UK government statistics so far to have experienced spontaneous abortions thanks to the Pfizer vaccine

I’d like to have a good reference link for this that can be passed on easily and will be taken seriously by the “respectability-inclined”.

425895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Katabasis, #582 of 1244 🔗

Thanks. I’ll pass it on, but probably needs some explanation. Am I to understand from this that only 9 people have become pregnant after taking the pfizer vaccine? (The numbers are understandable, since it hasn’t been that long since it was introduced. Just trying to clarify what it means by including “pregnancy” as one of the “reactions”).

425904 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mark, 1, #583 of 1244 🔗

Mark I believe it means they reported they had become pregnant in the observation window following receiving the injection.

425866 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Katabasis, 10, #584 of 1244 🔗

Bloody well said Katabasis. Should be reproduced above the line.

425905 ▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #585 of 1244 🔗

Seconded. Please reproduce in full and give a permanent place on the right hand side. Preferably in flashing lights with arrows pointing to it.

425878 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Katabasis, 3, #586 of 1244 🔗

Superb letter; wish that I written it myself!

425880 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Katabasis, 21, #587 of 1244 🔗

Your narrative :

I initially took the Covid-19 pandemic very seriously and reluctantly supported the first lockdown. However, in only a matter of weeks there was sufficient comparative data both nationally and internationally to observe our own government’s policies and belief-system swiftly departing from reality.”

… must reflect the experience of a lot of us who remain rooted in reality. It certainly reflects mine : an initial precautionary acceptance of the need for care, followed by a growing incredulity as information became blatantly more and more propagandised, and policy departed from anything inherent in signals from the actual data.

425927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to RickH, 6, #588 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely the way my own thinking progressed.

425945 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, 11, #589 of 1244 🔗

yes, it was my trajectory too – I don’t remember now exactly when I began to turn, but I do remember at around Easter time some relatives were delivering some shopping, and they were sitting at the far end of our faily large garden (which of course even that was illegal ) – while the other members of my household were diligently spraying with diluted bleach, and I suddenly lost it, and went right up to the visiting relatives and began mock-screaming, ‘aah, covid, covid, we’re all gonna die’ and they were all horrified and almost called the men in white coats to take me away….now every one of them has come over to our side

425881 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Katabasis, 8, #590 of 1244 🔗

Thank you very much Dr Katabasis.

Written in 2007 but still available on the WHO website (my emphasis in bold)

Nuremberg code turns 60 https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/85/8/07-045443/en/

For the past 60 years, a series of ethical texts and instruments have relayed the Nuremberg court’s opinion, 3 and completed or interpreted the code in the multifaceted context of medical experimentation. The medical profession thus draws on a vast body of ethical reflection to ensure that scientific advances do not prevail over the health and safety of individuals without their fully informed consent in medical experiments . However, we ask whether modern ethics and its binding instruments can always secure full protection to experimental subjects and beyond them, to the recipients of health care. In a context of relentless competition for resources among scientific institutions, ethical vigilance is a permanent necessity. Falsification of scientific results and the premature release of drugs on the market show that modern ethics does not in itself provide full protection against scientific misconduct, especially when it occurs beyond the critical step of malevolent or unsafe experiments involving human beings .

425882 ▶▶▶▶ Silver cat, replying to Katabasis, 6, #591 of 1244 🔗

Very well written. The challenge is how the evil in power can be stopped. Are we seriously going to wait years for another general election…action is needed now and it can only happen if the people take action

425913 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Katabasis, 12, #592 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely superb piece of writing. Powerful. I agree totally with everything you’ve said especially the last paragraph. Please let us know if you get a response, of all the letters he must have received this one deserves a personal response.

425918 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Katabasis, 7, #593 of 1244 🔗

fantastic letter, Dr Katabasis, respect

425932 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #594 of 1244 🔗

I’m going to copy and share this far and wide, if you don’t mind. everyone on the planet needs to read it.

425951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #595 of 1244 🔗

Go ahead Jane.

426037 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Katabasis, 8, #596 of 1244 🔗

Katabasis – in response to your reply to Jane I have copied the main part of the text. If you don’t mind where it refers to you and your wife, I’ll personalise it to me and sent it to my lockdown zealot multi-millionaire MP. (I am a qualified researcher who previously worked in the science departments of 2 UK universities, have a Chartered Institute of Environmental Health qualification, was an IOSH practitioner pre-early retirement) and my closest family members were in 2 different medical professions (now deceased). Like JaneHarry I would also like to send my personalised version to a Facebook friend who is a lockdown sceptic and who has been following the plans of the WEF, Schwab and Gates for several years and who warned of their huge and growing political and financial influence several times in 2020, but was ignored. I too originally dismissed them until I saw Boris Johnson in a TV interview wearing their logo as a lapel badge and this rang major alarm bells. Then I started doing some in depth research myself. Now I am 100% convinced this pandemic response is the key delivery mechanism for the WEF Great Reset. With Gates and Fauci’s involvement plus BJ, Hancock and Gove being speakers at past WEF conferences, the more digging I do I am now coming round to thinking that those who were calling it a PLandemic were not conspiracy theorists, but flagging up suspicions that all the evidence points towards being monstrous but true. I don’t intend to live in the Gates/Schwab version of the world either, but for the present I intend to fight to the end to stop them realising their vision in whatever way I can, even though they are incredibly powerful. After all, Hitler and other similar evil megalomaniacs have been defeated in the past – who knows, collectively we may just win.

426154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #597 of 1244 🔗

yes being an avid reader of everything ww2 i thought the evilmadman gates is just like or at least alot like hitler that would be a good poster a hitler mustache on the evil gates .
its just that gates wants to kill us all not just the jews the gypsies the political prisoners[ that would be us besides some of us falling into other groups too ] the polish people etc .

i always wanted to be in the resistance .now’s our chance

425931 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Katabasis, 6, #598 of 1244 🔗

Great letter!

425983 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Katabasis, 3, #599 of 1244 🔗

great letter wish i could write so intelligently , but dont give up remember lessons from world war 2 is better to fight back and join the resistance . dont let them do this to us don t let them win .i hate the vaccines and the masks more than anything . no way will i ever get any vaccine. lets all rebel.

spread the word.

426149 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Katabasis, 1, #600 of 1244 🔗

Well done, incredible and 100% I how I feel.

426158 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Katabasis, 3, #601 of 1244 🔗

An outstanding diatribe – I don’t disagree with a word of it and will send it to my (junior Health Minister) MP as it is far more eloquent than I could ever be.

I have been producing my own paper on ‘Why I won’t take the vaccine’ to send to acquaintances and neighbours who will shun me when I officially ‘come out’. But this, allied to the ATL letter from the retired dentists to the Saga CEO, have said it all for me!

Thank you!

426453 ▶▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Katabasis, 2, #602 of 1244 🔗


426560 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Katabasis, #603 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely perfectly written. Thank you .

425868 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Katabasis, 8, #604 of 1244 🔗

Wow what an absolutely fantastic letter Katabasis. What about sending that to the BBC and the other media. Surely there has to be somebody in one of those damned organisations that has some morals and can speak up for what’s going on???

425877 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Janette, 6, #605 of 1244 🔗

They’ll have too much interest in “outing” us, unfortunately. Its career death for both of us criticising RNHS or the official policy.

425872 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Katabasis, 3, #606 of 1244 🔗


425831 Mark, replying to Mark, 31, #607 of 1244 🔗

We should also consider another position which I believe has been put forward forcefully by the cartoonist Bob Moran, so I shall call this the Moran Doctrine. This is, simply, that the Government should not have the power to impose lockdowns under any circumstances: even if each of the four Franklin Tests were met, a lockdown would not represent a legitimate measure. Just as the state should never torture anybody, under any circumstances, the Government should not have the ability to “lock down” its citizens. We should be given accurate information and clear advice, but we should never have our human rights and civil liberties curtailed by law to this dramatic extent.

I’m pretty firmly in the Moran doctrine camp, for this reason.

It’s hugely unlikely that any situation would ever arise that satisfies the first of the Franklin criteria as described above. A disease would have to be almost unprecedented in human history to genuinely represent an ” an extremely grave, even “existential” societal threat”. The 1918 flu doesn’t even come close. Maybe some of the great plagues of history such as the Black Death, or the catastrophic introduction of Old World diseases to the New World in the C16th (the result of a naturally imposed and far more complete Australian/NZ-style quarantining process).

So we have basically nothing to lose from forbidding it. That doesn’t even mean it will never be done. If you believe the modern UK government has never tortured anyone then you’re a fool. What forbidding it does is place obstacles in the way of those who want to do these things for their own reasons, and forces them to take responsibility for doing so. It is such constitutional barriers, as I understand it, that have prevented the political pressure in Sweden from forcing it to abandon the path of sanity, so far.

And in any case, the presumption that is fundamental to a society that is both democratic and free is that people have to be persuaded to a course of action, outside of restricting behaviour that is clearly criminal (in the sense of breaching another person’s legitimate fundamental rights to life, liberty, property). There is always a tension in any democracy between free democracy and tyranny of the majority. Lockdown represents the latter, in spades, and furthermore is based on heavy and systematic fear propaganda manufacturing the popular consent to it.

We should take the view as axiomatic, that if the threat is genuinely serious enough, then enough people will be persuaded of that and act appropriately. Those who argue the contrary, usually the paternalist fallacy that “people are too stupid/irresponsible” to do that, are not believers in free democracy, but rather either closet fascists or believers in a tyranny of the majority.

And make no mistake here, though many are incapable of recognising this – the seatbelt laws were a clear manifestation of this paternalist fallacy. The axiomatic position should be that if you cannot persuade people to wear seatbelts then you must accept that they are entitled to not do so, and the responsibility for any consequences are theirs alone. Imposing a collectivised health system on them and then claiming they no longer have freedom to choose their behaviour because the costs are now collectivised is pure dishonesty, though very widespread.

425867 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Mark, 6, #608 of 1244 🔗

Great post Mark. That’s my understanding also re the Swedish situation, although it seems the politicians are doing their best to undo this and ‘get in on the action’.

425901 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mark, 9, #609 of 1244 🔗

I think part of the problem is the welfare state, the ‘free’ health care. if you delegate responsibility for your own health care to the state, then you are also giving them the right to boss you around, to tell you what you can and can’t do with your own body, since they are the ones picking up the tab. you are laying the groundwork for a system of health fascism, so what is happening today in a sense is a natural consequence. everyone should be responsible for their own health care. that some may not have the means to pay for life saving treatments is just a tough fact of life. in trying to deny or avoid this, you just create an even worse situation.

426050 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #610 of 1244 🔗

100% JH. It’s also why the NHS operates for the benefit of those that work for it and not for the customers it is meant to benefit.

425996 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 4, #611 of 1244 🔗

I agree with you but playing devil’s advocate if you have a potentially fatal infectious disease and you knowingly behave in a way that is likely to spread it to others, one could argue that is clearly criminal as you breach their right to life. The evil trick with covid is to have presented it as just this scenario, when it clearly isn’t.

Of course respiratory infections do kill people, and I suppose they might kill fewer people if ill people stayed at home instead of spreading them, though there may be unintended consequences to this as building up immunity requires exposure and it might end up doing more harm than good on a societal level.

What’s gone wrong is the social contract whereby people accepted a level of risk in exchange for being able to go about their lives “normally”

425833 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 28, #612 of 1244 🔗

What is the point in the legal system? Government acts unlawfully -> fuck all happens.

Someone says “hello” to a friend in the street -> £200 fine.

425843 ▶▶ Mark, replying to captainbeefheart, 15, #613 of 1244 🔗

The strong do what they can. The weak suffer what they must.

The answer is – don’t be (politically) weak. Which means, in our context, organise, support each other, and resist.

425887 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Mark, 3, #614 of 1244 🔗

Upticked for the nod to Thucydides there, Mark!

425989 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #615 of 1244 🔗

Upticked for the spot : -)

426140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mark, 1, #616 of 1244 🔗

Varoufakis you two on about? I’ll get my coat.

426157 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #617 of 1244 🔗

Goalkeeper wasn’t he?

426192 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Old Bill, 1, #618 of 1244 🔗

Played left side midfield for Panathinaikos back in the 1980s, Bill. Arsenal took a look at him but it never came to anything.

426577 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Mark, 1, #619 of 1244 🔗

Just started reading a small book called ‘How to Resist.’ Only a few pages in but its looking quite handy and I am already feeling more hopeful.

425856 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 26, #620 of 1244 🔗

People have no idea how much our children will hate us for this. It will be a violent, murderous hatred, because they will be able to see online how things were before this atrocity was inflicted on them. And their feelings will be completely justified.

425969 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #621 of 1244 🔗

I have successfully safeguarded my children by indoctrinating them to hate the pig dictator, Wanksock and anything government related. They mock bedwetters and give the (admittedly a minority of) idiotic teachers gip. They aren’t anxious, are visibly more confident than their friends that are only now being allowed ‘play dates’.

I think it is unlikely they will EVER vote Tory but can make their own minds up when older 👍🏻

425980 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #622 of 1244 🔗

Only those too young to understand. The rest are complicit.

426190 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Jo Starlin, #623 of 1244 🔗

Hell I’m not confident that Google et al will leave anything behind for future youngsters to see!

425864 isobar, replying to isobar, 34, #624 of 1244 🔗

DM readers seeing the light on ‘Covid 19’ death certificates. Comments on this story are moderated in advance!

BEL MOONEY: My dad Ted passed three Covid tests and died of a chronic illness yet he’s officially one of Britain’s 120,000 victims of the virus and is far from alone… so how many more are there?

Best rated comment

‘FINALLY this is a headline, why on earth can you die from cancer, being run over by a bus, fall down the stairs…and it still be classed as covid!!!! No wonder our numbers are so high. The data is totally wrong. And don’t even get me started on the vaccine, for a illness with a 99.7% survival rate in healthy adults. Genuinely everyone must now see there is something else going on here…’. 7678 upticks 256 downticks

425894 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to isobar, 9, #625 of 1244 🔗

Just read that. He was ninety-nine . What the FUCK is wrong with everybody? The frustration makes me want to scream. I feel a breakdown coming on.

425906 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #626 of 1244 🔗

of course, but unlike the usual “covid death” reporting of people who sadlidied at great age and what a tragedy this was , for this article, age is not the point.
Bel Mooney is making the point that a normal death for an old person is being made into a covid death by the system and that is an offence to common sense, to the truth and personally to her . And most of the comments support her and what she says

425912 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mj, 5, #627 of 1244 🔗

I get that mj, and she’s right. I’m just so frustrated today that I’m lashing out. I need to go for a walk or something, I feel absolutely murderous with rage and hatred right now.

426006 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #628 of 1244 🔗

and i get that Jo …… it is all extremely frustrating and none of it makes sense to us .Just remember, we are the normal ones

426079 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #629 of 1244 🔗

I’ve been doing a deep-clean of the house for the last two weeks. Been pulling out everything, cleaning under and around. It’s been magnificently therapeutic. As an added bonus, every speck I scrub away, I imagine to be each decrepit, diabolical criminal member of this government and MP who have gone along with this luciferian plan.

425956 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #630 of 1244 🔗

and they were still trying to vaccinate him….bloody unbelievable.

425992 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #631 of 1244 🔗

My 99 year old mum on end of life care (and for that reason having been taken off all her medication) has been offered the jab 5 times! And refused it btw..

426136 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to jos, #632 of 1244 🔗

what a magnificent mum you have

426069 ▶▶ isobar, replying to isobar, 4, #633 of 1244 🔗

Same best rated comment now up to 8694 upticks, 287 downticks. That’s a hell of a margin given that comments on this story are moderated in advance.

425865 tony rattray, 8, #634 of 1244 🔗

How I learnt to hate the english (british) in 11 months..

Yes, the below is one of the best articles I’ve read about lockdown in the last 11 months. Spot on!

Lots of debate here about how the lockdown sceptics view never became popular opinion, when perhaps we ‘just’ needed to understand that britain is not the country we thought it was in the 21st century.

For example, we don’t have a conservative party any more (as hitchen’s has called out). Instead we simply have a b***ard child of tony blair.

However, watch in the next few years as the ‘woke brigade’ release that you need real money and a strong free economy for fairness and equality!

Their solution of course will be to spend / promise even more imaginary money / pass the buck….

The fantasy of English freedom – UnHerd

425870 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #635 of 1244 🔗

Has anyone yet made a referral to their local Social Services Child Protection Team?

Referrals can be made 24hrs a day, can be submitted online and can be made anonymously

You should make a referral if you believe a child to be at risk

Those who have abused our children this year are a risk to their own children. We need to protect their children from them

I include in this the pig dictator, Ted and all the MP’s who voted for and draughted the child abuse laws

Once recorded the referral cannot be delated as it will be required to be kept for future reference including vetting

Best reported to the Local Authority Area in which the child resides

425954 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Cecil B, 4, #636 of 1244 🔗

I reported the Oxford lot to the NSPCC for child abuse when they asked for volunteer children for vaccination trials.

426004 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #637 of 1244 🔗

NSPCC are a bunch of grossly incompetent money grabbing crooks. No good reporting child abuse to them. Some years ago there was a Court case in Swansea in which an Olympic swimming coach had for years been sexually abusing the young children who were wannabe olympians. Following many complaints over a number of years from their middle class parents, the Council asked the NSPCC to conduct an investigation. Their report was never known by the parents. A few years later he was arrested prosecuted and jailed. During the trial the NSPCC report was produced and made public. What the NSPCC had concluded was that there was evidence of sexual abuse but the parents would prefer for their children being coached to the abuse being dealt with. This caused national outrage as the parents had never been interviewed by the NSPCC and therefore had never made any such statements. This was proven in Court.

Also the Audit Commission found that 98% of money generated from their Full Stop campaign had gone on internal administration and not on services to children.

426042 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jo Dominich, 1, #638 of 1244 🔗

No not NSPCC. Agree they are bent

Social Services Departments are under a statutory obligation to investigate all child protection referrals

426087 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Cecil B, 1, #639 of 1244 🔗

Damn wish I’d known above…although to be fair I thought they were as likely to do something about it as they were to run through Buckingham Palace naked. I view all the NSPC…or RSPC whatever’s as politically corrupt and totally useless. Didn’t know about the Social Services Department.

425879 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #640 of 1244 🔗

I copied Counciller David Durrant on one of my e-mails last week and got a much unexpected reply.

I won’t post it as there are some pretty personal comments in his subsequent correspondence but what I will put is his comment:

“I’ve had regular letters published in the local paper about it, and send all local councillors many messages and links, but little official progress, as it goes against the party line, but more are doubtful now. I ask the officers and senior councillors questions to put things in context, but they won’t answer either, as they’re working to a narrative/agenda set by government, just following orders, and make out those questioning it are in the wrong or worse. ”

“Alas its difficult to make people understand who are being paid not to understand, and so I fear only when the money runs out, when furlough ends, will the enormity of what’s happened really hit home.”

“the local Romford MP now votes against further lockdowns”

Sounds like he is still battling away at changing his local council’s thinking but making slow progress.

His e-mail is CouncillorDavid.Durant@havering.gov.uk as he is interested in receiving more information to help his fight.

425888 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #641 of 1244 🔗

AG – do you think he’d be interested in a copy of my wife and mine’s letter to Charles Walker I reproduced below in the comments?

425893 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Katabasis, 6, #642 of 1244 🔗

it was a good letter … go for it!

425952 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Katabasis, 1, #643 of 1244 🔗

Seconded, I think you should send it too.

425966 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Katabasis, 1, #644 of 1244 🔗

Go for it, anything to help him get the message across.

425883 LMS2, 6, #645 of 1244 🔗

And Tucker Carlson goes into some detail about what’s being taught in American schools when parents don’t pay attention: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v5GQFPSYJcI
(this video will probably get taken down by tomorrow, so watch it while you can)
They are teaching Marxism, anti-white racism,reminiscent of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, or the People’s Revolutionary Army in China.
What’s the bet that something similar has already made its way to the UK??

425885 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 20, #646 of 1244 🔗

Boris Johnson is evil.

426035 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Silver cat, 2, #647 of 1244 🔗

The banality of evil.

426129 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Silver cat, #648 of 1244 🔗

Not only that, very dangerous with it!

425886 DanClarke, 2, #649 of 1244 🔗

There are still a lot of people who do their own thing ie not conforming in any way, believe that those running the covid scam are morons and that it will all just go away.

425889 Ewan Duffy, 8, #650 of 1244 🔗


Headline: Kerry woman too weak to give evidence in cervical cancer case has died
TLDR Woman who was seeking compensation from the Irish State over a failure of a cervical smear to identify cancer, has died (thereby ending the case). Ireland’s CMO Tony Holohan played a part in downplaying the failures of this campaign but very few in Ireland can join the dots from his failure in this regard, to his “advice” re COVID.

Forcing those seeking compensation to go through the courts puts paid to the lie that the State cares about peoples’ health (the underlying rationale for lockdowns).

425890 Janette, replying to Janette, 16, #651 of 1244 🔗

Why aren’t more of the NHS staff coming out to tell the country what’s going on? Surely some of them must have some morals left. Crikey there must be thousands of them that know the truth???

425896 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Janette, 17, #652 of 1244 🔗

Might it be because they are complicit? A person cannot be admitted to hospital (no matter how urgent the need) unless they submit to a coronavirus test. This is a clear and systemic violation of the ethical requirement for informed voluntary consent.

425923 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #653 of 1244 🔗

A person cannot be admitted to hospital (no matter how urgent the need) unless they submit to a coronavirus test.”

Simply not true as a general statement, although there have been some disturbing incidents regarding elective surgery.

I have been in hospital several times since this shit-show began, and have rejected PCR nose swabs – and have received first class treatment.

Leave fabrication to the other side.

425926 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to RickH, 6, #654 of 1244 🔗

My hospital was quite clear. No test no op.

426203 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to RickH, #655 of 1244 🔗

You are right, car crash two hospitals not asked to test.
Had muzzle thrust at me by one individual I politely refused and was told there is a pandemic on dont you watch the news, I replied you obviously watch to much.

426238 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to RickH, #656 of 1244 🔗

I have been refused private surgery because I refused the PCR test, despite having medical reasons (severe nosebleeds and nasal surgery) Now I have said I will have it (to try and beat the ‘no vaccine, no surgery’ which WILL come) the NHS have commandeered private beds again so my surgery has been cancelled 3 times in a month. Last year the NHS commandeered private hospitals at a whopping £400m a MONTH, although two thirds were never used. They have stopped us getting surgery in the NHS or privately.

426384 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, #657 of 1244 🔗

You have made this point before. But I do not find it credible. So, to be clear, are you asserting that you have been admitted to a hospital, ie been an inpatient, and not have been tested for the virus?

425902 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Janette, 1, #658 of 1244 🔗

Didnt they have to sign something to say they risk the sack if they speak out about anything?

425981 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to ThomasT, 3, #659 of 1244 🔗

Yes – their contracts of employment! They contain specific gagging clauses (not unusual – common to many employment contracts in a whole range of sectors).

425924 ▶▶ l835, replying to Janette, 10, #660 of 1244 🔗

I think for a lot of them, the easy life got easier. Empty wards, telephone consultations, self isolating at home on full pay every now and again, cakes provided by captain Tom. Why would you want to change that?

425986 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to l835, #661 of 1244 🔗

That’s the truth! Plus of course they now have monstrous egos as they have been deified.

426061 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to l835, #662 of 1244 🔗

Sadly a lot are so indoctrinated they think it is right

426141 ▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to l835, 2, #663 of 1244 🔗

Its not easier – the majority if us are constantly trying to provide a decent service to patients despite the ridiculous and ever changing restrictions imposed by managers, who don’t seem to understand that other conditions need to be treated, and this takes a lot of time and hassle but as others have said, we’re not able to speak out unless we are prepared to give up our jobs, and if we do that, patients will get even less of a service. Not quite sure why people can’t see that those of us who stick with the NHS do it because if we didn’t, there’d be even less chance of getting your cancer or anything else treated.

Telephone consultations are unsafe – we are accountable for our clinical decisions and there are many of us who refuse to put our patients and ourselves at risk by not examining and assessing them properly. When we refuse,this is unpopular and bullying takes place.

I have not had a cake from Captain Tom, but we did get a pizza last March from Dominoes. Just one.

Having said that, like in any organisations there are a few lazy gits who use covid as an excuse not to do anything, and these are the ones making the headlines on here.

425979 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Janette, 4, #664 of 1244 🔗

Probably because they want to keep their jobs to pay their bills and don’t want to be sacked for gross misconduct because that would mean they would never get any other job in the future. Contracts of employment forbid them to talk to the press, media, even post on social media anything which relates to their employer or work issues without going through internal approved communications channels.

426020 ▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Janette, 15, #665 of 1244 🔗

I’m a former NHS Nurse and currently work in the Private sector.I do not agree or submit to these mandates.It’s all Bullshit I have walked out of jobs due to conflicts regarding masks and fraudulent pcr tests.I’m constantly trying to undermine these bastards.Im also astounded by the lack of response from our Hero’s.

426024 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 8, #666 of 1244 🔗

Does telling a visiting GP to mind his own cunting business when he asked me about my Vaccine status help the cause?The fucker fled the scene asap.

425891 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 12, #667 of 1244 🔗

It seems that Johnson and Gates have quite a bit in common.

425900 ▶▶ Silver cat, replying to Biggles, 5, #668 of 1244 🔗

That’s his plan depopulation. Wake up people

425916 ▶▶▶ Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 6, #669 of 1244 🔗

climate change / covid is bollocks. They need to be unmasked for what they really want to do

425910 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Biggles, 8, #670 of 1244 🔗

Let’s just bear in mind that there is only one continent in the world that is still meaningfully contributing to this “population growth problem”. The answer is not to give that continent an open release valve to export its surpluses to the rest of the world. but rather to secure borders, while helping it to address the issues involved.

425921 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Biggles, 10, #671 of 1244 🔗

Wow Biggles. Thank you for posting this. I knew he was a supporter and member of the WEF and along with Hancock and Gove (possibly all his inner cabinet members for all I know) committed to delivering parts, if not all of The Great Reset, but until you posted this extract from The Telegraph I struggled to convince friends and relatives that the WEF and Great Reset were not just conspiracy theories to be dismissed with scorn. No wonder they are continually coming up with reasons to prolong lockdown restrictions and mandate vaccines by default! (NB. I read somewhere that after attending the WEF special conference on planning for a coronavirus pandemic, held in the USA in the summer of 2019, that Hancock had asked government lawyers in November 2019 whether it was possible for the government to make mass vaccination of the whole population of the UK mandatory! Unfortunately that was before the pandemic was actually announced by the WHO and I hadn’t started my resource list then with links to original sources so cannot find it again). Gates of course has not made any secret of his desire to see the world’s population reduced by 1/3rd and we all know he has heavily invested in vaccine development, as well as being a major funder of the W.HO.

425987 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #672 of 1244 🔗

Gates wants to reduce the population by far more than a third – more like two thirds or 66.6% 🤨

425934 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Biggles, 19, #673 of 1244 🔗

For someone who wants less people in the world, he has had a lot of children…

Oh, I see. It only applies to us peasants.

425988 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #674 of 1244 🔗

I was going to mention that but I thought I would let you do it!

426138 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #675 of 1244 🔗


Don’t you worry though, the genetic gods in the Moonraker set will carry on for all mankind.

425964 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Biggles, 2, #676 of 1244 🔗

From the bumbling buffon’s own website dated 2007:


“This is a straightforward question of population, and the eventual size of the human race.”

425977 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biggles, 1, #677 of 1244 🔗

He’s a fine one to talk about guts.
But I agree with what he said there.

426022 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Annie, #678 of 1244 🔗

So do I. It’s a tricky one though, birth control or kill all the oldies….

425982 ▶▶ jos, replying to Biggles, 5, #679 of 1244 🔗

How many children has he had? They mean cull other people’s children not their own.

426001 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Biggles, 6, #680 of 1244 🔗

Says the father of at least 6 children

426152 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Biggles, #681 of 1244 🔗

Johnson once said something sensible! I don’t believe it. Still it was nearly 14 years ago he usually contradicts himself within 14 minutes.

425903 ShropshireLass, 6, #682 of 1244 🔗

The essay, or letter by Dr Graeme Munro-Hall and Dr Lilian Munro-Hall concerning the requirements of Saga cruise customers to have been vaccinated against Covid-19 is certainly worth LS members reading in full because there is a whole section of well-researched information about the safety issues involved in these experimental drugs, plus some useful references to legal arguments against their mandatory use. I would recommend copying and pasting some of the detail in case any of us experience similar mandates and thus discrimination ourselves in the future in relation to access to jobs, services, holidays etc.

425914 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #684 of 1244 🔗

The NHS/Gov dashboard indicates that they are carrying out around 500,000 dubious/dodgy ‘Covid’ test per day, from these they are getting around 12,000 ‘+ve test results’.
So 2.4% of the tests are giving dodgy +ve test results, can any of the statisticians out there tell me, given all the false result figures etc. how significant is this? 12,000 sounds a lot but if it is only 2.4% of the tests being done, does this not mean we are more or less as low as we can hope to get?
After all with speed cameras on roads there is generally a 10% + 2 mph tolerance before there is a conviction. And so I was wondering, hospitals are now doing fine and the number of covid patients has dropped considerably, total deaths are nothing startling for a damp country like the UK in winter time and with an ageing population and so if we also have dodgy +ve result-case numbers now down to relatively insignificant levels –

‘Ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the trees’ but we still labour under under this ludicrous yoke of oppression.

When Israel was in Egypt’s land,
Let My people go!
Oppressed so hard they could not stand,
Let My people go!

  • Go down, Moses,
  • Way down in Egypt’s land;
  • Tell old Pharaoh
  • To let My people go!
425947 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #685 of 1244 🔗

If you have time this is a good tool for understanding the false positives situation. Needs only a few parameters input


425955 ▶▶ iane, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #686 of 1244 🔗

It is worth remembering that, in addition to inherent problems with the tests, humans, often poorly trained and working flat-out in unfavourable laboratory conditions, execute the tests. Some will be good experimentalists, some will be very poor – and the results can only be as good as the weakest link!

425915 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #687 of 1244 🔗

looking at the leaked reports about the route map seem to show allowing people to meet up where I suspect they have been doing so already.

What next? Will we see a shop or cafe defy the lockdown and open against lockdown rules but stipulate everyone who enters has to show proof of vaccination. If so, how will the authorities react?

426028 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #688 of 1244 🔗

Some time last year, when councils were talking about door to door random testing, a friend of mine said he saw online, a poster which apparently a homeowner put outside their house – basically said, unless a previously authorised person on this list (limited to, the postman, household resident, family member) we require tests for anyone to enter our property boundary.. please show negative proof of ebola, typhus, diphtheria, zika virus, dengue fever, scarlet fever, etc etc… before proceeding!:)

425919 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 14, #689 of 1244 🔗

Johnson is a “potato in a wig” according to the marmite Katie Hopkins, bang on, hope the name gets some traction and sticks !

425963 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to nickbowes, 4, #690 of 1244 🔗

I prefer the pig dictator

426065 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #691 of 1244 🔗

Pig Dick Tato

425925 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 15, #692 of 1244 🔗

Strange how the Nasty Party spent a few years pretending not to be nasty, but have now given us the nastiest government in living memory.

426007 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bugle, 10, #693 of 1244 🔗

But also vital to note that the “opposition” wanted to be much nastier.

426134 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #694 of 1244 🔗

Essentially – more implicit exculpation for the Tories, I see. Who mentioned the (admittedly disgusting) current opposition?

‘Whataboutery’ – always ducking of the issue.

426293 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #695 of 1244 🔗

Let’s have a look at what actually happened, rather than your fantasy, shall we? Bugle posted something that attacked the “Conservatives” and their lockdown nonsense. Nothing wrong with that, and I didn’t criticise it, but it risks being unbalanced and misleading without recognition that the “opposition”, far from opposing what the “Conservatives” were being criticised for, were actually pushing for more of it.

So I pointed that out, creating a balanced situation.

This is why I believe your ulterior motive here is to get Labour lockdowners into power, regardless what they themselves have done and wanted to do. Whereas my interest is a balanced recognition that both parties have been appallingly wrong, and that this represents a clear problem with the whole political class, rather than one party.

426345 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #696 of 1244 🔗

“‘ Whataboutery’ – always ducking of the issue .”

And you keep repeating this misunderstanding of “whataboutery” as though it has some force.

Not sure where you get this silly idea that referring to “whataboutery” somehow has some relevance here. The criticism only applies where it is a form of the tu quoque fallacy, which it clearly isn’t here.

Even then, most conventional applications of it as a criticism are false anyway, but that’s another matter.

425929 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #697 of 1244 🔗

Ireland shuts-up shop and it’s all the fault of the mutants:

No consideration of reopening of hospitality before mid-summer – Martin https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0220/1198280-taoiseach-restrictions/


If recent events are anything to go by, Micheal Martin will deny that he said this by the end of the day and tomorrow Leo Varadkar will disagree (with everything). Confusion reigns. The Gov have no plan. The hospitality sector is doomed. And it’s still raining.

425944 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 10, #698 of 1244 🔗

Few small businesses popping up on social media in Ireland now opening on their own bat. No great reopening bollocks, just doing it.

They are getting 75% support from those commenting I’ve seen. Some absolute morans saying they are a disgrace. The government are acting without a mandate at all. They need to be stopped.

425959 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to godowneasy, 4, #699 of 1244 🔗

It seems that the Irishman WB Yeats (much admire his work) anticipated this state of misaffairs .:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

425974 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mikewaite, 4, #700 of 1244 🔗

Mere anarchy is what we need.

426053 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to mikewaite, 3, #701 of 1244 🔗

I would add:

The best lack all conviction
While the worst are full of passionate intensity

425976 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to godowneasy, 8, #702 of 1244 🔗

For anyone who hasn’t scrolled to the end ATL I recommend viewing the selfie-video posted by former footballer Irishman Gary Dempsey. He describes in direct terms his disgust at the impact the lockdowns are having on his family and others in Ireland.

425985 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #703 of 1244 🔗

I salute him for telling it the way it is in plain language.

426010 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #704 of 1244 🔗

Totally agree, I feel his pain! I thought that the power mad junkies here were bad enough but in Ireland it’s totally off the scale

425933 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 53, #705 of 1244 🔗

It is now very evident that the UK is the epicentre of this manufactured crisis. Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson et al., have blood on their hands.

It’s right to be angry, it’s right to defy this criminal behaviour.

It is your duty now to save this nation in whatever way you reasonably can. And to protect the innocent, aged and infirm.

The time has come to stand up and be a Man.

Enough is enough.

425991 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 7, #706 of 1244 🔗

Dont forget the ringleaders, Blair and Gates

426126 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 2, #707 of 1244 🔗


No – they depend upon politicians in office to implement stuff.

Blame where blame’s due.

… which I guess also falls on the shoulders of those who have voted for the Johnson crew in whatever capacity.

426197 ▶▶▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to RickH, 6, #708 of 1244 🔗

Really? Do you honestly think people voted for lockdown? A crashed economy? Social disintegration? I don’t remember lockdown being in political party manifesto’s…

This is a rogue, criminal government, working against their own people. They are culpable, not the people. They will ultimately answer to the people.

426635 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to RickH, -1, #709 of 1244 🔗

Really? I voted for them but I did not vote for any lockdowns. Don`t blame this on me, you bitter little clown.

425941 divoc origi 19, 20, #710 of 1244 🔗

Been having trouble getting my parents to understand where this is all heading and how they should be concerned. I realised the only way was to reframe the narrative and focus on the thing my father loves the most; the pub. The new normal appears to be that the state is responsible for all of our health, and therefore has the right to impose rules and regulations that protect us. In the near future, my father (who drinks too much and has to take meds for his liver and heart) will have to show his vaccine passport to enter the pub. But he doesn’t realise that his digital vaccine app also shows his full health history, including his alcohol related health issues. He will either not be permitted to enter the premises, or he will have to order a sparkling water instead of the usual pint. And that bacon burger and fries? Nope, sorry, that’s not allowed in here either.

Stay healthy, protect the NHS, save lives.

425943 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #711 of 1244 🔗

Don’t know if anyone has noticed that there appears to be a variant of the Aussie Flu going round. Remember the flu 3 years ago, the one that laid you out for a week and felt like you’d been lifting a truck?

The wife came down with it the other day. She had all the Covid tests and they’re negative. I trust (if that is the word) the LFT more than FraudCR but even that was negative.

I was wondering if the collective effect of vaccines, flu, health care shortages are causing people to drop?

425950 ▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to mhcp, 2, #712 of 1244 🔗

My wife, myself and our 2 kids all came down with a horrific virus all on the same day just a month ago. Very flu-like, couldn’t get out of bed, very stiff, high fevers, coughs. 4 negative covid PCR tests. We thought this was all very strange considering flu levels were incredible low this year – and nobody we know had been feeling sick before or after we all felt ill.

425958 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to divoc origi 19, 12, #713 of 1244 🔗

considering flu levels were incredible low this year” Well, REPORTED levels of flu are low, and so are reported levels of deaths from cancer. Can we trust them?

426189 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 1, #714 of 1244 🔗

Figures for ANYTHING given out by the lying government are questionable. They just give out whatever is expedient. Of course we can’t trust them.

425953 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to mhcp, 3, #715 of 1244 🔗

Whatever the proximate cause, the fact is people are knackered, as you point out.

425961 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to mhcp, 4, #716 of 1244 🔗

That’s not a virus. This is a virus.

426052 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mhcp, 5, #717 of 1244 🔗

But flu has DISAPPEARED!!!

Just like colds – I know that’s true, even though I’ve had three of them this year, because the newspapers told me so.

426194 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to mhcp, 3, #718 of 1244 🔗

I just wondered (and believe me, this is not a criticism and I mean no disrespect) – but why have ”covid” tests unless you’ve actually been admitted to hospital? Before all this fiasco, would you have had ”flu”tests, or ”common cold” tests if you’d felt really poorly, enough to take to your bed?

425957 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #719 of 1244 🔗

Been reading the technical documentation on the INNOVA lateral flow device as it is the only one currently approved for use in the UK plus I delivered thousands of them recently to GPs, dentists and opticians.

Interesting reading:


Including the following:

  • The absolute sensitivity of the WANTAI SARS-CoV-2 Ab Rapid Test is unknown
  • The WANTAI SARS-CoV-2 Ab Rapid Test should not be used to diagnose or exclude acute infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or patient management decisions
  • The WANTAI SARS-CoV-2 Ab Rapid Test should not be used to diagnose or exclude acute infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or patient management decisions
  • in the event of a false positive result, risks to individuals could include the following: a recommendation for isolation of the individual, monitoring of household or other close contacts for symptoms, isolation that might limit contact with family or friends and may increase contact with other potentially COVID-19 individuals, limits in the ability to work, the delayed diagnosis and treatment for the true infection causing the symptoms, unnecessary prescription of a treatment or therapy, or other unintended adverse effects.
  • Due to the risk of false positive results, confirmation of positive results should be considered – using a second, different antibody assay that detects the same type of antibodies.
  • not all patients will develop a detectable antibody response to SARS-CoV-2 infection
426021 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #720 of 1244 🔗

My understanding of the manufacturers inserts are that these devices are for use as part of a clinical diagnosis process, and in isolation of clinical assessment should not be used to diagnose infections.

Strange then that just before Christmas the MHRA has issued an authorisation to the Department of Health and Social Care to allow the use of the NHS Test and Trace COVID-19 Self-Test kit to detect infection in asymptomatic individuals.

interesting the approval was not at the request of the manufacturer, which would be the usual route.

MORE jiggery pokery going on.

426064 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #721 of 1244 🔗
425960 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 27, #722 of 1244 🔗

Just back from stretching our legs via Sainsbury’s. I was the only one in there sans smothering (OH waited outside), silence in the shop apart from me walking around whistling like a demented canary.

When I got outside I raised my arms aloft and said rather loudly ‘i made it, I’m still alive’ cue eye roll from the OH and all the zombies shuffling along looking at their feet.

Have to say the local environment and the bike track in my part of Edinburgh is filthy, dog shit, broken glass, old furniture, I must of counted 2 dozen face smotherings on the path, in trees.

Think I’m going to start complaining by writing to the council, councillors, local MP. Gum the system up, make them take notice.

425971 ▶▶ Annie, replying to stefarm, 4, #723 of 1244 🔗

Good for you.

426174 ▶▶ isobar, replying to stefarm, 4, #724 of 1244 🔗

Bozo on face coverings – a blast from the past.

If a constituent came to my MP’s surgery with her face obscured, I should feel fully entitled… to ask her to remove it so that I could talk to her properly. If a female student turned up at school or at a university lecture looking like a bank robber then ditto: those in authority should be allowed to converse openly with those that they are being asked to instruct.’ – Talking about muslim women, 2018


Good for you!

425965 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #725 of 1244 🔗

My current client has got me working on virus scanning files that are uploaded to their systems by their customers.

At the moment, someone has to manually do something when an alert is sent, but they want it to automatically stop anyone uploading an infected file.

I thought about having a quarantine area for unscanned files, but this doesn’t seem too fashionable these days.

My solution -> stop anyone ever being able to download anything until there are no more computer viruses in the world.

425968 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to captainbeefheart, 17, #726 of 1244 🔗

If it saves one file…

426011 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #727 of 1244 🔗

Presumably anybody whose computer fails to work for any reason (including old computers with vulnerable unsupported browsers), within 28 days of downloading any file from the server will be deemed to be caused by the download?

425967 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 49, #728 of 1244 🔗

I see comments from a number of contributors ATL and BTL to the effect that the first lockdown was a reasonable sacrifice of liberty when faced with what appeared to be a pandemic of unknown proportions. I would like to put a shout out for the OffGuardian website who alerted me to the evidence of a pending scam on 24 January 2020.


Since I read the article that day and subsequent articles (which followed fast and furious thereafter), I have not once believed there was justification for any type of draconian control measures and certainly not lockdowns.

The small OffGuardian editorial team can hold their head high with pride in the fact that they have relentlessly sustained their attempts to hold the protagonists to account ever since, with in depth objective analyses of the “narrative” every few days over the twelve months since. They have never waivered in their conviction and can confidently assert that every single article has stood the test of time. They have put professional journalists and editorial teams to shame in comparison. Long may they continue.

426002 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Dodderydude, 10, #729 of 1244 🔗

Agreed, they have been very consistent about all aspects, lockdown, PCR tests, HCQ, vaccines etc. Sometimes their ‘guest articles ‘ on other subjects are an acquired taste, but on the scamdemic they have been spot on.

426057 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 8, #730 of 1244 🔗

My own worry is that the Off G crew continue to be correct and we are indeed headed to a mass extinction event

426117 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #731 of 1244 🔗

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.

425973 Waldorf, #732 of 1244 🔗

Not the article but that picture is fantastic for symbolising the media or most of it) over the past year.

425984 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #733 of 1244 🔗

Posted by a nurse but the idiot still wants others to take it:


426005 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #734 of 1244 🔗

So she took it to protect her and her patients from the flu that has a 99.95% survival rate and has caused herself potentially catastrophic harm.

426051 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 5, #735 of 1244 🔗

And the health professionals that brainwashed her won’t see her to help with her condition now either.

Absolutely warped.

425993 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #736 of 1244 🔗

A bit of a moral dilemma;

I wish no harm to the innocent but – Something that will almost certainly stop the masses going along with the vaccine passport agenda is a catastrophic harm from mass take-up of the experimental vaccines

425999 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Major Panic, 6, #737 of 1244 🔗

THIS is going to be a game changer. There will be some terrible reactions to this vaccine, I am convinced this is the case. I also think we will be surprised at the carnage it’s going to cause.

426030 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Major Panic, 2, #738 of 1244 🔗

Absolutely. I wish it would manifest its self soon though as more and more naively hold their arms out every day to be jabbed.

426108 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #739 of 1244 🔗

We need to remain the control group – which is probably why they want everyone to be vaccinated so no such comparison can be made.

426067 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Major Panic, #740 of 1244 🔗

This is obvious: only uncoverupable mass deaths though the vaccines (and/or the deliberately contaminated tests?) can end this shitshow quickly and for good.
But no sane sceptic should or will root for that, not least because the life of us survivors would then be pretty miserable and likely short too.
My money still is on the money running out via hyperinflation first, then currency resets and a prolonged depression, and that those events will then slowly change minds, perceptions and leaderships.

426109 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to JayBee, 2, #741 of 1244 🔗

Sorry but won’t that be too late?

425997 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 44, #742 of 1244 🔗

Excellent article!

“If I took my child to my GP twice a week, and demanded every time that she undergo an invasive test for an illness for which she showed no symptoms, I assume the GP would call social services. This is because I would be displaying a mental illness known as Munchausen’s syndrome disease by proxy, whereby I pretend that my child is sick, keep her sick and/or demand that she go through invasive and unnecessary medical tests and procedures. “


426012 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #743 of 1244 🔗

In normal times strapping a FN on your kid would be cause to take them into care.

426046 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #744 of 1244 🔗

So true. Given how reluctant many GPs are to consider that someone with symptoms might actually be ill, let alone order tests or anything like that, this fanaticism about testing people who have absolutely nothing wrong with them is baffling.

426095 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #745 of 1244 🔗

Let’s put a slightly different slant on this :

Given the number of people normally suffering from hypochondria for mild symptoms – what are the long term consequences of ramping up fear in this area?

426131 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #746 of 1244 🔗

Last night I decided to email Laura Perrins and thank her for all she has done thus far.

As I explained to her, I’m not exactly Conservative Woman material (a dad to 2 children, remainer & a lefty!) however her fire, rage and strength have been of great solace.

I understand she is a barrister, which I imagine must help to see through the constant BS.

426232 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to SimonCook, 2, #747 of 1244 🔗

Being a barrister is no indication of scepticism. I know some who are not necessarily supporting every aspect of this current debacle, but are reluctant to place themselves in the asking questions camp!

426290 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Alan P, 2, #748 of 1244 🔗

“Being a barrister is no indication of scepticism”.

Indeed. Keir Starmer?

426332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #749 of 1244 🔗


426239 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to SimonCook, 7, #750 of 1244 🔗

I think it’s more her catholic faith – she has always taken the stance that the whole govt reaction has been IMMORAL

425998 2 pence, 6, #751 of 1244 🔗

If you missed it,
UK Column News – 19th February 2021

426008 Alice, replying to Alice, 20, #752 of 1244 🔗

Bel Mooney in DM:


I see it’s been discussed already, but it’s really good – she practically accuses the NHS/government of falsifying statistics.

426032 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alice, 7, #753 of 1244 🔗

Greta stuff. Her 99 year old dad was an uber sceptic too. Amazing. Didn’t even believe the virus existed.

I like to think he spent his last days screaming to hospital staff about Koch Postulates

426133 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #754 of 1244 🔗

Yes , a 99 year old guy with multiple serious health conditions could smell the covid bullshit a mile off.

426088 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Alice, 5, #755 of 1244 🔗

Yes I was surprised to see such a story too although the D M has put the odd good article on over the last year.

426287 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Janette, #756 of 1244 🔗

And the creditable articles I’ve seen do seem to be published at the weekend when there is presumably a wider audience.

426127 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Alice, 6, #757 of 1244 🔗

Read the comments too – dozens and dozens of stories of spurious covid death certifications.

426013 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 11, #758 of 1244 🔗

I’m starting to think this is all just a dry run for the Great Climate Lockdown.

426017 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 13, #759 of 1244 🔗

It is and it isn’t a dry run. Carbon neutral by 2030 carbon zero by 2050. It’s baked into the script. All the MP’s and corporate bastards have “signed up!” to the UN’s agenda 2030 sustainable development goals.

426048 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Two-Six, 10, #760 of 1244 🔗

Look at the auto companies falling all over themselves to go all-electric.

They know the grid can’t support that many electric cars.

It doesn’t need to, because driving is no longer for us little people.

426060 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to awildgoose, 4, #761 of 1244 🔗

An initiative was founded a few days ago in Berlin, which demands that people may only use a car once a month.
The MSM reported on it.
A scandal itself.
Favorably. A further scandal.

426106 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JayBee, 1, #762 of 1244 🔗

All publicity is good publicity.

426082 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to awildgoose, 13, #763 of 1244 🔗

It isn’t just the grid.There are not enough rare earth materials to produce the batteries.The plan is you don’t have to move more than 5 miles from your home.Where have we heard that before.We are being conditioned for a totalitarian hell hole.

426100 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Two-Six, 4, #764 of 1244 🔗

And yet Bill Gates flies everywhere in his private plane so one law for us and another for them it seems.

426137 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to jos, 5, #765 of 1244 🔗

Why would they impose it on themselves? Travel is for the rich, the powerful and climate change protestors only.

426265 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #766 of 1244 🔗

It’s rubbish.
Third runway for Heathrow.
Shcarbon shneutral.

426116 ▶▶ Silver cat, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 7, #767 of 1244 🔗

That’s it in a couple of years they will switch the narrative from lockdown for covid to lockdown for climate change. Both are bollocks

426130 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 2, #768 of 1244 🔗

Of course it is. This is just the warm up. It won’t be over till the fat lady sings, and the fat lady has lost her voice.

426014 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #769 of 1244 🔗

Does anyone have any links to impartial info about the vaccines you could share please? I have a friend who is very gradually beginning to question all of this and I’d like to share some info to allow her make up her own mind about getting the vaccine or not. If I directed her to this site or some of the so called ‘anti vax’ info she’d think we were all raving mad and it’d be back to square one.
I’ve had a look but all I can find is blatant pro vaccine propaganda or the anti vax stuff that she would immediately discard as conspiracy theories. If anyone has come across any studies by neutral doctors, scientists, respected unis etc please share. Thanks.

426025 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 6, #770 of 1244 🔗

This is a fairly balanced and informative piece:
The comments below the article are good also.

426063 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #771 of 1244 🔗

Thanks, I’ve had a quick scan. Covers things very succinctly. Im sure it will confuse my surgery when I use it to support my reluctance, at the moment, to not take up the offer of a vaccine. I shall also be ensuring it is not a decline, but a deferral of my decision.

426068 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to BTLnewbie, #772 of 1244 🔗


426026 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #773 of 1244 🔗


Look at the responses here. Very measured. Nice summary

426074 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #774 of 1244 🔗

Thank you.

426034 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #775 of 1244 🔗

Read this EMA document on the Pfizer document:


Or even find the post from the past couple of days about the adverse reaction reports, that is a very interesting breakdown of the reported problems.

Or some of the articles on here:


Plenty of info out there, what you find depends on your search engine, it’s search settings, if you are using a VPN or not and how you phrase your search.

426072 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Awkward Git, #776 of 1244 🔗

Cheers. I appreciate you sharing this.

426277 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #777 of 1244 🔗

It is a pretty frightening document from the EMA.

426045 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #778 of 1244 🔗

In terms of the potential harms, the complaint to the GMC gives some good information and food for thought


In terms of the potential benefits that an effective experimental vaccine might provide then this calculator is quite good


Note that that is its intended use.

But it works out the chance that somebody would encounter SARS-C0V-2 and then die from or with covid during 3 months of the Spring 2020 wave.

Under certain assumptions you could argue as a very rough guess that the future risk that a theoretically effective vaccine might protect you against (if you’ve never tested positive for SARS-C0v-2 or had symptoms and aren’t living with someone whose had covid) is significantly less then that calculated risk.

Bear in mind that a theoretically effective vaccine won’t stop your death with covid only death from covid.

And if you’ve already encountered the virus (e.g. tested PCR positive or had obvious symptoms) then your risk of being affected by covid is probably nearer to zero, so forget about the calculator then.

And taking vitamin D3 (e.g. at least 2000IU) probably reduces your chances of dying from covid by perhaps two thirds, without all the side affects

426070 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #779 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for that.

426090 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #780 of 1244 🔗

Correction. Should have read ‘Note that isn’t its intended use’ rather than ‘Note that that is its intended use.

426083 ▶▶ Janette, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #781 of 1244 🔗

There’s quite a lot of information on Global Research.org. A very good site.

426015 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 21, #782 of 1244 🔗

Reading through a new book I came across this and I thought I would share. Many will wear their mask out of fear of causing a scene even though every bone in their body screams it is not reasonable, not rational. Well, change your perspective on it and you can find strength.

“One day you will be called on to break a big law in the name of justice and rationality. You have to be ready. Everything will depend on it. How are you going to prepare for that day when it really matters? You have to stay ‘in shape’ so that when the big day comes you are ready…

…Every day or so break some trivial law that makes no sense, even if its jay walking. Use your own head to judge whether that is a reasonable thing to do. That way you’ll keep trim, you’ll be ready”

James C Scott

426132 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #783 of 1244 🔗

Does speeding and recklessness like making donuts in snowy parking lots count?

Asking for a friend…

426172 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 1, #784 of 1244 🔗

Sidetrackracking but yes, yes it does. Proceed

426261 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 2, #785 of 1244 🔗

Sitting on a park bench in Saffron Walden. Worse crime than aggravated rape.See kh’s post above.

426018 GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 10, #786 of 1244 🔗

The unholy alliance of corporate and political greed continues unchallenged. It is a greed that cares not for the welfare of peoples or nations. It is the cause of engineered mass hysteria, it is the reason why so many must die in local conflicts or global wars.

It is so despicable and uncaring that the greater part of the people cannot believe it exists at all. They assign mass hysteria to pandemic, local war to fighting terrorism, and global war to a clash of national ideologies.

All the while, insidious greed and its currency control system enslave and corrupt our species. It cannot be changed, because it is not widely recognised. Those that recognise it can only go mad or learn to live with its presence. It will eventually destroy us. Meanwhile, the stupefied masses will continue to be surprised by the occasional proof of its existence.

426355 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #787 of 1244 🔗

very intriguing comment. can you recommend some reading?

426019 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 13, #788 of 1244 🔗

As I was waiting at the market stall today waiting to be served, I witnessed a woman cleaning her bank card after she got some money out of the ATM.
Funnily, she did not clean the bank notes. I wonder why she cleaned her bank card. Or maybe it was not hers and she wiped her fingerprints off before pickpocketing it back into the pocket she got it out of?

426031 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Silke David, 22, #789 of 1244 🔗

She is probably a moron. You should have asked her if she was. If you feel uncomfortable asking such a thing, read some Sartre, embrace the horror of total freedom, and remember where the complicity of morons has led us.

426199 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #790 of 1244 🔗

Yeah, Sartre once said to me, “La Moulinex existentiale est le totalite du philosophique Renault ‘atchback”…….and I said to him who gives a fuck what you think?……..(c) Alexei Sayle.

426219 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Dermot McClatchey, #791 of 1244 🔗

Hahahaha! Quite right too!

426041 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Silke David, 3, #792 of 1244 🔗

Perhaps the logic is, all the cards that are put into the machine have been touched by filthy human hands.

Therefore, the slot might get contaminated with germs (in particular, a certain virus) and transfer said germs to her card.

The bank notes on the other hand have been sat in the machine a while, and are presumably considered to be safe. Nothing goes into that slot, only clean money comes out.

Did she touch the keypad with her bare hands?!

426115 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #793 of 1244 🔗

I did not see that part, she had already done it.

426023 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #794 of 1244 🔗

How did these child abusing monsters ever get to be in charge

Once they have been dispatched, never, ever again

426027 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 6, #795 of 1244 🔗

They got into power by LYING and SNEAKY UNDERHAND TRICKS and EVERYTHING they are doing has been in secret.

426039 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 8, #796 of 1244 🔗

And by turning the population into brain dead idiots.

426055 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #797 of 1244 🔗

yep. drooling lobotomised morons

426257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #798 of 1244 🔗

Didn’t take much doing, did it?

426077 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Cecil B, 5, #799 of 1244 🔗

The Kompromat system will ensure that we have such people in position of power for a long time to come.

If I state that Churchill’s Sandhurst record reflected that he was an ineffectual drunk, a menace to young boys and extremely partial to young ginger whores (the reason a ginger cat was given to him as a joke), a great many people will be upset by this statement.

This is why. Reality is too gruesome to comprehend. And so, we shall go on as we have been. Get used to it.

426029 awildgoose, 4, #800 of 1244 🔗

Florida women dress as grannies in failed attempt to get second jab:


More like failed at life.

I’m not impressed with their official CDC cards. I could download one and fill it out right now.

426043 awildgoose, 3, #801 of 1244 🔗

Anonymous tip on fake vaxes leads to raid on Mexican border clinic:


I like how they listed the names of the people who will be disappeared in the article.

426047 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 64, #802 of 1244 🔗

I am shaking with rage right now. The effing ‘safety’ ambassadors are clearing the park of people even though they are sitting on the grass! I have just had a massive row with them because they claim that people are “gathering”. I asked them to show me where. The park is large and there were about 25 people in it. They keep doing a sweep and spent several times this morning staring at us through our windows. These people are bastards. One of my customers who had been with a friend using one of the benches was moved on – he has just had the lower part of one of his legs amputated and is getting used to his prosthetic limb. Makes you proud to be British. Sorry, it’s probably crappy grammar but I am so bloody boiling mad ….

426113 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 15, #803 of 1244 🔗

What would they do if people refused? Carry them away? This is often the police tactic at demos, and it was such fun to watch them doing on 28th August in Berlin. The police carried protesters from the street to the side walk where everyone just sat down again. Well done for dispersing the crowd to 5 metres away!

426155 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 13, #804 of 1244 🔗

People have just obeyed apart from one group of people just now who were harassed by two policewomen. Apart from me, they were the only ones who have had a go back.

426171 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 9, #805 of 1244 🔗

Good.It should wake a few more people up to the reality of police state Britain,where it is illegal to go to a park on a sunny day.

426255 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #806 of 1244 🔗

What in earth is happening in Saffron Walden?It used to be a nice town.This is unbelievable.

426280 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 12, #807 of 1244 🔗

It is indeed. I posted that account in a blind fury at the provocation that we and our customers are being subjected to. The ‘safety’ goons this morning were clearly trying to intimidate us. One of them kept saying “it’s the legislation”. We pointed out, it isn’t. I also pointed out that checking who was in our premises was beyond their remit.

The real nasty bit was when they said to the customers consuming takeaways, that they could be responsible for the outlet that had sold them the drinks/food being targeted by the police. Let’s just say that that young man who, was ‘only trying to keep people safe’ got more than he bargained for today! He picked on the wrong angry middle-aged woman. Very disappointed though that no-one came to back me up, despite me vociferously defending their right to sit in the park.

426515 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Annie, 1, #808 of 1244 🔗

Just what I was thinking, though I’ve never been to Saffron Walden (yet!). I’m often in parks in Derby and have never seen any sort of “officials” hassling anyone.

426049 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 9, #809 of 1244 🔗


“Die Ausweitung auf Apotheken könne schwierig werden, da sie ihren Kunden nicht wehtun wollten, um sie nicht zu verlieren: „Leider gilt: Beim Nasenabstrich müssen einem die Tränen kommen, im Rachen muss der Würgereiz ausgelöst werden.“
Aus dem gleichen Grund lehnt Bobrowski die geplanten Selbsttest für Zuhause ab. „Niemand will sich selbst wehtun oder den Kindern am Frühstückstisch vor der Schule. Aber die Bequemlichkeit können wir uns nicht leisten, wenn wir die Pandemie in den Griff bekommen wollen.“

The head of the association of German lab doctors, Dr. Andreas Bobrowski, on why LFTs and PCR by pharmacists should not be contemplated:
They don’t hurt their patients enough!
So it’s official: The sole point of testing is money, control and above all the denigration of the people and their conditioning through creating
pain deliberately, aka torture.

This is proven further through this article, which explains the shaky foundations of the tests and the vaccines in light of the consequences of the non-isolation of the virus and the testing for the meaningless E or S gene sequences only.
We are deliberately being fooled and ruined, nothing else.
But then, most people seem to rather enjoy it.

426056 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JayBee, 2, #810 of 1244 🔗

There are a lot of sadists in the world.

426169 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JayBee, 1, #811 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for the translation. How many diabetics for example have been told not to take the vaccine?

426228 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #812 of 1244 🔗

Probably none – my type 1 diabetic OH has been hassled endlessly to get jabbed – fortunately I live in LS world 🤪

426059 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #813 of 1244 🔗

We should have known something was up when the Pig Dictator was guest speaker at the annual awards evening of The Harold Shipman Foundation

426112 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, 3, #814 of 1244 🔗

And when he got the top award

426250 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 3, #815 of 1244 🔗

Unaccustomed as I am to public murdering…

426073 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #816 of 1244 🔗

Even with all the hysteria, age standardised death stats show that only April showed any worries across America. What a total catastrophe

426080 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #817 of 1244 🔗

This reflects the UK pattern.

Forget ‘ age’ standardization – we’re into various assumptions with that. Simple population standardization will do. KISS principle.

The baseline is also a reasonable one (as opposed to 5 or 3 year averages)

426148 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #818 of 1244 🔗

‘Interesting’ down votes backed by no critical analysis. Hard of understanding morons or 77th brigade?

426186 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #819 of 1244 🔗

I apologize on behalf of the idiots doing it, just ignore them, we rarely see eye to eye you’re often rude to me, but i don’t like this sort of cowardly bullying, if they have an objection they should reply to you or shut up.

426086 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #820 of 1244 🔗

April was the month of the killing fields in the care homes.

426122 ▶▶ Silver cat, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #821 of 1244 🔗

The pandemic is fake

426075 Silke David, 9, #822 of 1244 🔗

Source202news .de.
BioNTech tei lt weiter mit : “Zudem waren ältere Personen mit folgenden chronischen Vorerkrankungen, die als Risikofaktoren für die COVID- 19-Erkrankung bei Menschen ab einem bestimmten Alter gelten, bis jetzt nicht zu den Studien zugelassen: Personen mit Bluthochdruck, Diabetes, chronischer Lungenerkrankung, Asthma, chronischer Lebererkrankung sowie chronischer Nierenerkrankung (GFR <60 mL/min/1,73 m2). Aus diesem Grund ist momentan noch unklar, ob ältere Personen mit den genannten chronischen Vorerkrankungen geimpft werden sollten. Eine Zusammenfassung möglicher Ausschlusskriterien und Vorsichtsmaßnahmen wird vorliegen, wenn die Studiendaten ausgewertet sind.”
Weiter führt BioNTech aus: “Für die Zulassungstudie von BNT162b wurden Ausschlusskriterien definiert, die online (z. B. unter clinicaltrials.gov) eingesehen werden können. Patienten, die eine bekannte klinische Vorgeschichte mit schweren Nebenwirkungen auf einen Impfstoff oder eine Allergie auf einen Bestandteil dieses Impfstoffs aufweisen, sind ebenso aus der Studie ausgeschlossen, wie Patienten, die Immunsuppressiva aufgrund einer anderen Erkrankung (z.B. Krebs oder Autoimmunkrankheiten) erhalten, oder Kortikosteroide einnehmen, oder eine klinisch relevante Vorgeschichte mit Blutgerinnungserkrankungen haben, die eine intramuskuläre Impfung verhindern. Trifft eines dieser Kriterien zu, ist von einer Impfung zum aktuellen Zeitpunkt abzuraten. Allergien sind von Relevanz, wenn sie gegen den Impfstoff selbst sowie einzelne Bestandteile vorliegen. Bitte stimmen Sie sich hierzu im Detail mit dem Arzt Ihres Vertrauens oder dem Impfzentrum ab.”

BioNTech continues: “In addition, older people with the following chronic pre-existing conditions, which are considered to be risk factors for COVID 19 disease in people over a certain age, have not yet been admitted to the studies: persons with high blood pressure, diabetes, chronic lung disease, asthma, chronic liver disease and chronic kidney disease (GFR <60 mL/min/1.73 m2). For this reason, it is still unclear whether older people should be vaccinated with these chronic pre-existing conditions. A summary of possible exclusion criteria and precautions will be available when the study data are evaluated.”

BioNTech continues: “For the approval study of BNT162b, exclusion criteria have been defined, which can be viewed online (e.B. under clinicaltrials.gov). Patients with a known clinical history of serious side effects on a vaccine or allergy to a component of that vaccine are excluded from the study, as are patients who receive immunosuppressants due to another disease (e..B. cancer or autoimmune diseases), or take corticosteroids, or have a clinically relevant history of blood clotting disorders that prevent intramuscular vaccination. If one of these criteria is met, vaccination is not recommended at this time. Allergies are relevant if they are against the vaccine itself as well as individual ingredients. Please coordinate in detail with the doctor of your trust or the vaccination centre.”

426084 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, #823 of 1244 🔗

This government thinks it can do what it likes. Its time to let them know we do not Consent. Please sign and share.


426099 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Bella Donna, 1, #824 of 1244 🔗

Hahaha! The number of signatures is rising faster than seasonal flu figures in winter (pre 2020). This will be done by today, easily.

426180 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 4, #825 of 1244 🔗

Not by me, change.org is a data harvester, beware.

426185 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #826 of 1244 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me. I feel very uncomfortable using my real name on anything these days.

426273 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #827 of 1244 🔗

One of teh biggest investors is Bill gates.

Nothing on change.org worth signing.

426103 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #828 of 1244 🔗

Signed, I hope it gets somewhere because I don’t know how much more of this dystopian nightmare I can stand.

426114 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #829 of 1244 🔗

Not 100% convinced I could support this:

It has failed to protect lives during the COVID pandemic: the highest death toll in Europe; encouraging easing lockdown with the highest daily deaths; using care homes as death camps for the elderly

Sounds like a Labour “we should have locked down earlier and harder” play to me

426121 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Julian, 5, #830 of 1244 🔗

You beat me to it Julian.

426123 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Julian, 4, #831 of 1244 🔗

My thought also.

426144 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #832 of 1244 🔗

Yes. It’s wordy contradiction – not a coherent position.

426162 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Julian, 5, #833 of 1244 🔗

Oh dear, note to self, don’t sign petitions while busy!

426512 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, #834 of 1244 🔗

We’ll forgive you, kh, you’re one of the best people here!

426118 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #835 of 1244 🔗

The lady who started this appears to be pro-lockdown
It has failed to protect lives during the COVID pandemic: the highest death toll in Europe; encouraging easing lockdown with the highest daily deaths

426120 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #836 of 1244 🔗

I’m not sure there is any point in signing this. Their argument that the government has failed the people is self evident, but they also argue that it failed us by not locking down long enough – which is enough for me to not sign it.

Then go on to consider what would happen if it made any difference (it won’t of course) an election would bring you the delightful one-knee Starmer and even more onerous lockdowns for ever.

426151 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Old Bill, 6, #837 of 1244 🔗

an election would bring you the delightful one-knee Starmer and even more onerous lockdowns for ever.

The is the problem, I’d be all for an election right now, but there is no viable party fighting for our cause. It would just let Labour in or worse a Labour/SNP coalition, shudder . We need to start hearing more from the reform or reclaim parties. If only just to put a bit of pressure on policy direction. We really are devoid of leadership atm..

426248 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #838 of 1244 🔗


426091 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #839 of 1244 🔗

Being going through some old ONS death statistic releases from last year.

Some quotes keep jogging my memory like:

  • in the later months the slight increase in non-COVID-19 deaths might be attributed to indirect consequences of the pandemic such as delayed care.
  • The disease has had a larger impact on those most vulnerable (for example, those who already suffer from a medical condition) and those at older ages.
  • Some of these deaths would have likely occurred over the duration of the year but have occurred earlier because of COVID-19.
  • These deaths occurring earlier than expected could contribute to a period of deaths below the five-year average

Lots of other little snippets in them as well that point to they knew all along that the sicker in society were dying off just a little bit sooner than they would have but not by much but they just do not outright say it.

All in the file for the trial to come.

426093 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #840 of 1244 🔗

This just caught my eye, explains where pneumonia disappeared to:

“A death can be registered with both COVID-19 and Influenza and Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate. Because pneumonia may be a consequence of COVID-19, deaths where both were mentioned have been counted only in the COVID-19 category.”

426124 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #841 of 1244 🔗

Yes. The flu pneumonia thing is covered well by the guys at Adapnation.io

All with one thing in mind, if it smells like covid

426139 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #842 of 1244 🔗

Don’t kid yourself. There will be no trial.

Just stating the obvious.

426168 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to RickH, 6, #843 of 1244 🔗

Downvotes for this comment…?

So presumably there are people on here who believe that we live in a democracy, under a rule of law where all are accountable, even those at the top of the power pyramid.

Get real.

426173 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Draper233, 1, #844 of 1244 🔗

Yes there seems to be a downvote plague going around lately, its getting ridiculous now, Rick often deserves em, (i never downvote anyone) but this comment was pretty benign.

426187 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #845 of 1244 🔗

Yes I agree

Downvotes should be reserved for obvious trolls, otherwise if you don’t like the comment either ignore or reply saying what you disagree with and why

And yes, I don’t think it is realistic to expect the kind of trial there probably ought to be

What IMO is more important is for there to be a realisation that what was done was wrong and unecessary so people are more awake next time. That probably won’t happen either but it will make more of a difference than punishments for the worst offenders – there will always be wicked people happy to risk retribution, but resisting the evil is what will get us out of this mess – that and some kind of constitutional reform- though public resistance is the most important

426509 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Julian, #846 of 1244 🔗


If you are saying nobody will be held to account, then there is NO POINT.

426510 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to RickH, #847 of 1244 🔗

Look, there HAS to be a Nuremberg, because otherwise it will mean that the technocrats have won.


If there is no trial, then it is a waste of time.

426110 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #848 of 1244 🔗

Open the Economy NOW!!

426211 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Victoria, 6, #849 of 1244 🔗

It’s on the scumbag BBC now:

Strange that they are not censoring this. Perhaps the potential loss of Leon resonates more to journos than the mental health of children, etc.

426227 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #850 of 1244 🔗

the other co owner is Henry Dimbleby.

426503 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to crimsonpirate, #851 of 1244 🔗

DIMBLEBY i hate that name I think the son is a socialist cunt who goes to Durham and speaks with a fake working class accent. BUNCHE OF CUNTS!

426145 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 27, #852 of 1244 🔗

It has been pointed on the comments that even if lockdowns are lifted, one consequence is that people will not want to set up, expand or buy businesses due to the fear businesses can be closed or placed under restrictions that businesses could no longer be viable. I suspect this is exactly what the government wants. It has been argued the purpose of lockdown is to deliberately create mass unemployment which makes people dependant on the state either through universal credit or universal basic income which explains why so many businesses have been forced to close or operate under restrictions. If you are dependant on the government for your income, the government has control over you. The government can withdraw your benefit if you do something it doesn’t like eg protest. To ensure this dependancy continues, lockdowns are not just designed to destroy exisitng jobs but ensure no new jobs are created. For instance, jobs are lost in the restaurant trade due to restaurants going bust. If restaurants are allowed open, no new restaurant jobs will be created because nobody will want to take the risk of opening restaurants which could be closed again.

426159 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Ianric, 5, #853 of 1244 🔗

Very insightful and very scary!

426182 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ianric, 12, #854 of 1244 🔗

There is a huge number of things that cannot happen, even if allowed, only because of uncertainty. No-one can go on holiday for example if there exists the possibility of being quarantined in a hotel on their return. The government can claim to allow things even when they are no longer a practical reality.

426222 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Ianric, 4, #855 of 1244 🔗

Also its not a given that people who saved money during lockdown (the coiled spring) will go out and spend money. I guess this was what the Bank of England were keeping in mind with their reference to negative interest rates.

426270 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ianric, 6, #856 of 1244 🔗

Remember also that they are already far further along with this destruction than most people or economists are willing to grasp.
An economy that contracted 10% with a Gov.debt/GDP increase of 20%age points and a previously roughly equally large share of the Gov.sector and the private sector, REALLY contracted 30%, it’s private sector REALLY contracted 60%! and the new share between the two is now 70%gov./30% private sector.
Add in, that you cannot just jump start a weakened or idled business, and that many of them are in far worse, often zombie, state than before, and the damage, task and direction are all pretty obvious.
It’s pure fascism, oligarchs plus civil servants against the rest of the people.

426334 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to JayBee, 6, #857 of 1244 🔗

Anyone who thinks businesses can re-open and be viable are living in cloud cuckoo land. These are some of the difficulties businesses are going to face even if allowed to re-open :-

  • We have had summer and winter lockdowns. Many businesses depend on their trade during certain times of the year. Tourist dependant businesses usually do most of their trade in the summer months. In the first lockdown businesses were not allowed to open until late in the summer which meant businesses had lost a large part of the summer trade. Christmas is important for shops and restaurants as shops receive a lot of their trade in the Chrismas period and restaurants receive a lot of trade from Christmas office parties. If restaurants couldn’t open during Christmas, they will have lost critical trade.
  • Long term changes could deprive businesses of trade. For instance, if more people work from home businesses dependant on commuters such as coffee shops will have lost trade.
  • Clothes shops will have summer and winter clothing. If they are forced to close during winter and are unable to open until summer, they will have winter stock they can’t sell.
  • If some businesses are able to open whilst others can’t, this will make businesses able to open unviable. For instance, hotels are allowed to reopen but visitor attractions can’t. Hotels would loose trade as it would be pointless for people to visit with no attractions open.
  • If events such as festivals are cancelled, this would result in businesses loosing critcal trade.
  • Almost a year of not being to open at all or open under crippling restrictions makes it very difficult for businesses to survive.
  • Businesses missing out on events which generate a lot of income. For instance, wedding can be very lucrative for hotels. Almost a year of weddings not being to go ahead or operate under restrictions has deprived hotels of vital income.
  • Businesses will face problems if their suppliers go bust.
426500 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ianric, 1, #858 of 1244 🔗

The reason is they are resetting the economy and the middle class is dead.

This is actually what is going on. It has fuck all to do with this deliberately released Fauci virus from his research at a laboratory in China. Merely the excuse.

426153 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #859 of 1244 🔗

Zero COVID exposed.

With UK and Ireland Government “plans” in increasing disarray and ever lengthening lockdowns, there is surely a serious risk of a Zero COVID approach becoming adopted (if it isn’t happening already).

In Ireland, independent media outlet GRIPT obtained some leaked documents from an insider in the Independent Scientific Advisory Group (founders of WECANBEZERO, the zero COVID fanatics). These documents go some way towards exposing that the promises made by Zero COVID proponents are nothing more than a wish list with no scientific basis and that they don’t even agree with each other (Translation : They are full of shit).  All they offer is harder lockdown and, probably, with no end.

The Irish Gov plan is called “Living with COVID” – this is widely seen to have failed. The Zero COVID plan is called “Living without COVID” (how clever is that?).  This will fail also and cause even more damage. I don’t know how this can be stopped apart from exposing these people at every opportunity, but the way things are going we will forever be “Living without living” if it continues.

Worth a read: https://gript.ie/uncertainty-and-doubt-behind-the-scenes-of-the-zero-covid-campaign/

426245 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, #860 of 1244 🔗

The Irish example is extremely interesting, since they have never had anything that could be interpreted as a ‘Covid crisis’ by any stretch of a vivid imagination.

426251 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #861 of 1244 🔗

Neither has Germany – a large, powerful country not known for self destructive stupidity (not recently anyway)

426156 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 9, #862 of 1244 🔗

One listens to the BBC with some trepidation these days. Sure enough on More or Less some expert was making the case that deaths due to Covid are somehow under-reported! His reasoning went: there are in fact more death certificates with Covid as a contributing factor than there are deaths within 28 days of a Covid test. He thus entirely disregarded all those deaths (thousands, tens of thousands) where someone was dying of something else but just happened to contract Covid and was tested near the end. Honestly, what piffle!

426166 ▶▶ John001, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #863 of 1244 🔗

More or Less at some point changed to ‘vaccinate the world’. Or was that a different programme presented by the same Mr Harford? Anyway More or Less is now full of b***s***. At some point he clearly decided to follow the groupthink as it was better for his career.

Spiegelhalter’s the same … hasn’t talked much sense for months, still uses an implausibly high IFR (like the NHS). At his age (67) and seniority one would have thought that he could say what he thinks.

426167 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to John001, 5, #864 of 1244 🔗

I’ve been very disappointed in Spiegelhalter as well.

426252 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #865 of 1244 🔗

Join the club. Especially in light of the fact that I’ve been using one of the examples in his last book (re. the danger of eating bacon) as a brilliant illustration of overblown assessment of absolute risk.

426285 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #866 of 1244 🔗

he was good at the beginning. he said x people are going to die whatever happens, the only problem is if they all come in a few weeks

then he wrote a bedwetting article for the guardian and hasn’t been the same since

426201 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to John001, 2, #867 of 1244 🔗

Completely lost the plot

426217 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to John001, 1, #868 of 1244 🔗

you’re right it was a different programme. It’s called “How to vaccinate the world” presented by Tim Harford. More or Less still has some inconvenient truths for the Govt…more or less.

426161 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 7, #869 of 1244 🔗

Anyone else seen this? if it is even remotely near the truth it neds wider circulation. Reiner Fuellmich and forced vaccinations in Germany. https://humansarefree.com/2021/02/shocking-video-of-forced-covid-vaccinations-in-german-nursing-homes-homicide-murder.html

426465 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to HoMojo, #870 of 1244 🔗

Sadly it is very true.
These are patients who suffer with sometimes severe dementia, so most likely a relative or social worker will have given permission for the vaxx to go ahead. Of course the patients do not know what is going on, their routine is disturbed by 4 strangers which are masked up and in funny clothes coming in, get the job done. No attempt to communicate what is going on etc. Demented people sadly can get very violent, so they would have used force.
According to the care worker, for jab 1 they all got herded into the day room, for jab 2 the team went looking for them and stuck a needle into their arm even if they bumped into them in the corridor.

426164 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #871 of 1244 🔗

Not that it impacts on me, but have the “vaccines” been given approval for use on women of child bearing age?

426179 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #872 of 1244 🔗

There have been cases where the vaccine has caused the woman to lose the baby.The baby is not counted as a fatality due to the vaccine.

426181 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Smelly Melly, 5, #873 of 1244 🔗

I don’t see how they can possibly have done that

If I were such a woman, I would want to know how many in the vaccine group and how many in the control group got pregnant after being vaccinated and what the birth outcomes were and would like to see a year or two of child development stats for each group as well as stats on the health of the mothers

I can’t recall exactly when the trials were but it takes 9 months to produce a child and the numbers in the trials were quite low (I think Pfizer was 30,000 in each group so 15,000 women, only a certain % of which would have been of childbearing age and a much lower % would have actually fallen pregnant)

I doubt they have enough data to give any answer I would believe

426213 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Julian, 9, #874 of 1244 🔗

heard somebody on LBC this morning who is a care worker saying he has been vaccinated but his fellow workers haven’t due to the fertility issue. There was a general agreement between the caller and the host that the fellow workers had been reading too many conspiracy theories on the internet.
As it is, there is no conspiracy theory re fertility. The source of any uncertainty came from Pfizer itself.

426247 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #875 of 1244 🔗

To be fair to Pfizer, how could they say anything except that they don’t know?

Sick and tired of people who suspend their brains when vaccines are discussed. How do they think vaccine safety is established?

426256 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #876 of 1244 🔗

… which is part of the wider problem of short-term testing.

426269 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #877 of 1244 🔗

My recollection is that both Pfizer and AstraZeneca excluded pregnant women and people on medication from the trials. Guidance given by the manufacturers once emergency approval was given was that females who were pregnant should not have the vaccine and any females should refrain from conceiving within two months following vaccination. And people on medication were advised not to be vaccinated either. This all seems to have been ‘forgotten’ very swiftly but I am not sure on what basis, being that the trials produced no evidence of safety in these cohorts.

426432 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to richmond, #879 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for that link. Extremely helpful. Yes, that is exactly how I remember it and I don’t recall any attempt to hide the info at the time. So I do not see how anything can have changed scientifically since then, but all of a sudden the vaccines were being rolled out to the most medically vulnerable in society and pregnant women. .

426460 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #880 of 1244 🔗

I posted a direct quote from BionTech/Pfizer earlier.
They categorially state as people with certain health conditions were not part of the trials, they should not get the vaccine.
People with chronic kidney disease, high blood pressure, chronic lung disease, asthma, liver disease.
Sadly exactly these are more in danger of developing severe complications when they get ill with Sars2.

426456 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Smelly Melly, #881 of 1244 🔗

Yes, they have as there is no evidence (when they were allowed to go on wider trial) of adverse effects.
Despite tests in mice showing abortions for BionTech/Pfizer.

426165 Anti_socialist, 13, #882 of 1244 🔗

Saw it’s a Barr addition today, the usual nonsense of putting a picture of one of the sceptics most hated figures on the headline, as if to rub it in, I swear he’s laughing at us, so skipped ATL, came to comments straight away.

Went out into the fake world today the first time since October, (that’s not unusual for me, in normal times) to get stuff unable to be found in nature or the amazon. What LOCKDOWN? More people out & about than normal, never saw a single masked face. I had to walk about 5 yards, passed a man with a grin, he was eyeing me up to see if was going to run away scared, so barked a what’s up & raised my hand in a friendly manner deliberately violating his 2 meters & he smiled.

Bloody mill was shut though so will have to risk the mad world again Monday.

426170 GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 4, #883 of 1244 🔗

Fast becoming a big fan of Dr Murphy. Thanks Dr M.

426195 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 27, #884 of 1244 🔗

Agreed. What a powerful piece of analysis. Really brings home the suffering being meted out to children throughout all this. Kids don’t bounce back easily, despite what the despots seem to believe, and the younger they are, the more impressionable and the more long lasting the damage. It doesn’t take much to do the damage either. A few months of consistent and sustained abuse like this in a kids developmental and formative years will stay with them all their lives. I am so angry at the evident lack of concern about this by our elected politicians and the so-called scientists and health care leaders in our country. Enough of the semantics. Enough of the ‘we understand how difficult this is’. No, you don’t understand. If you did you would not be inflicting this pain, misery and suffering on countless children and their families. Enough. We need to see action. An end to lockdowns permanently. Open up schools and the economy. Not in a month’s time and ‘if you all behave yourselves’. NOW.

426233 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nicky, 8, #885 of 1244 🔗

N O W !

426176 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #886 of 1244 🔗

”The Day The People Stood Up”

I know I repeat myself – but this is such a useful page to remind us of the reason for our struggle.


426188 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Banjones, 2, #887 of 1244 🔗
426177 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 30, #888 of 1244 🔗

Hi all,

Just wanted to say hi. I’ve been reading this site and forum for some weeks now for some much needed identification and sanity and have found your comments a big help on this road to destruction.

Anyway, I finally signed up to share this. If anyone else has found the ‘Tiktok’ nurses/police videos as sinister & distasteful as I have, I think you will enjoy!

Mic 🙂


426198 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Mic67, 6, #889 of 1244 🔗

Recommended viewing!

426204 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Mic67, 3, #890 of 1244 🔗


426254 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Mic67, 4, #891 of 1244 🔗

The dancing clips are so creepy..

426275 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Wolver, 4, #892 of 1244 🔗

Also would take a lot of rehearsal time wouldn’t they!?

426263 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Mic67, 5, #893 of 1244 🔗

That’s actually turned my stomach 🤬 🤢

426272 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mic67, 8, #894 of 1244 🔗

Disgusting, funny how most of the police and NHS goons are all fat overweight shit bags

426454 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mic67, #895 of 1244 🔗


I guess some of the nurses might be glad now they wore a MNC so they can not easily be identified now.

426467 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Mic67, #896 of 1244 🔗

Brilliant, thanks

426178 John Galt, 33, #897 of 1244 🔗

I went for a walk today around a place with a large children’s outdoor play park. It was absolutely rammed. People everywhere and nobody caring about any asinine rules.

426183 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 6, #898 of 1244 🔗

This may well have been shared before, but I think it’s such an important film to help us imagine a positive outcome from all this. It’s just under 12 minutes long and I have found it hugely impactful.

Words by Stuart Farr of We Can Live Better


426207 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Quernus, 3, #899 of 1244 🔗

Its good, good principles to live by.

426184 isobar, 2, #900 of 1244 🔗

Waiting in the wings? (pun intended). Wait until Professor Ferguturd gets on the case.
‘Not now bird flu! Russia reports world’s first ever cases of H5N8 flu in humans – but says the virus hasn’t spread between people yet’


426191 davews, replying to davews, 10, #901 of 1244 🔗

A story doing the rounds today is of the Juma indigenous tribe in Brazil where the last surviving male member has died at the age of 86 ‘from Covid’ and leaving just his three daughters and a granddaughter. But the tribe had been just 5 people in 2002, the rest having died out for all sorts of reasons. But the media headlines suggest the whole tribe of 15,000 has been wiped out by Covid….

426202 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to davews, 10, #902 of 1244 🔗

You have to recognize respiratory infectious disease (or any virus really) can be extremely dangerous to isolated communities, so yes its highly likely they could be wiped out by infectious incomers from any number of diseases. But it also shows how dangerous lockdowns are and how herd immunity is so beneficial for the rest of the social world.

426215 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #903 of 1244 🔗

Good point. So you could say isolating lockdown policy only make matters worse

426481 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #904 of 1244 🔗

That is what Sunetra Gupta, Wittkowski and, err, me who knows fuck all, have been saying from the VERY BEGINNING.

This is BIOTERRORISM being used against populations. Preventing natural herd immunity occuring for other virueses.

426284 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #905 of 1244 🔗

respiratory infectious disease (or any virus really) can be extremely dangerous to isolated communities

Today, the Juma tribe. Tomorrow, the Aussie and NZer tribes

426206 ▶▶ mj, replying to davews, 2, #906 of 1244 🔗

wikipedia “In the 18th century, the Juma numbered between 12,000–15,000 people.The Juma numbered 300 in 1940 In 1998, there were only four Juma people. The last Juma male member, Aruka Juma, died from Covid-19 in 2021. He was survived by his three daughters, the only remaining members of the tribe.”
A link to local indigenous organisation says it was “death by complications from covid” . so it was a “with covid” and with underlying conditions. This link is portuguese but gives a good history of the problems of native genocide etc.
Of course the MSM will not let the truth spoil a good covid story (or wikipedia updaters gilding the pro covid lily)

426295 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mj, #907 of 1244 🔗

Unless he was planning on sustaining the race by having sex with his daughters…..

426309 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ewan Duffy, #908 of 1244 🔗

There is precedent in the Bible… Although Lot did not do the planning…

426196 Julian, replying to Julian, 7, #909 of 1244 🔗

Update from an anti-lockdown legal case

“We believe we are right to pursue our Case in the National Interest for the People, despite Refusal!
The form that was sent to the Court for the Renewal of Claim for Permission for the Judicial Review after the Refusal, is now available to read at the bottom of the Case Page. This outlines, along with many other issues, how our Case is totally different to the Dolan Case for many reasons.
Further, as is stated in this form, “There are many new interferences with constitutional principles and Convention rights as well as additional and discrete demonstrations of irrationality by the Secretaries of State.”


This goes into more detail about their grounds:


426216 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Julian, 14, #910 of 1244 🔗

Pledged some more, though if the judges are now refusing to hear cases against the government then we really are stuffed.

I’m getting the feeling that we are less of a minority than we have been and that people are really starting to get very fed up. Mass civil disobedience may be closer than we think….

426200 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 40, #911 of 1244 🔗

More Psyops:

Leak some details to the papers… why?

1. See how the plebs react.
2. Spread more despair.

Two headlines from the DM sum it up perfectly:

Britons enjoy first weekend of fine weather after weeks of lockdown misery as Boris Johnson prepares to unveil ‘roadmap’ to freedom with families reunited by Easter and pubs possibly serving outdoors by April

You can’t cut those lockdown locks until ‘late APRIL’: Hair salons ‘will stay shut until at least then under exit roadmap’
We were told that restrictions would be lifted when the elderly and extremely have been vaccinated; clearly this was a lie. Why can’t the public see this?

426209 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 15, #912 of 1244 🔗

They can, judging from the comments

426226 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 12, #913 of 1244 🔗

Yes, the pushback is happening!

426243 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ceriain, 12, #914 of 1244 🔗

Hair salons and golf clubs instituted a pretty vicious campaign in Germany.
Successfully, sort of.
If you don’t ask loudly, threaten and shame them, you won’t get anything from our overlords. If you do, you might.

426451 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JayBee, 1, #915 of 1244 🔗

I read today that hairsalons can only have 1 person per 10sq metres and therefor it is not viable for some to open. How ridiculous!

426205 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 43, #916 of 1244 🔗

BBC live feed: Anti-vaccination protests held in Australia ahead of rollout

Anti-vaccination protesters have gathered across Australia ahead of the launch of the country’s coronavirus inoculation programme.

Protests were held in cities including Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane, with participants chanting slogans like: “My body, my choice.”

The rallies were largely peaceful, but police made several arrests in Melbourne, local media reported.

The national rollout of the Pfizer vaccine is set to begin on Monday.

Australia’s medical regulator earlier this week also granted provisional approval for the vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University, which is expected to be rolled out next month.

A country that has gone for a zero Covid strategy, and has hardly any Covid cases is going to start vaccinating people with Pfizer next week and AZ next month.

How will they explain the deaths when they come, I wonder?

426208 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ceriain, 10, #917 of 1244 🔗

Go Aussies.

426212 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 4, #918 of 1244 🔗

My thoughts exactly 😂

426220 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ceriain, 10, #919 of 1244 🔗

hmm will be interesting to watch the numbers in australia of those vaccinated. It’s actually a good control scenario for the experiment since they have zero cv cases so we’ll see if this affects the death figures. If it does then surely will point the cause to the vaxx.

426312 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #920 of 1244 🔗

Following pressure from Yankistan, the politically-correct and teeth-grindingly false bunch of “racists in denial” which constitute what is laughingly known as the “Australian Government” will come out with something which will be along the lines of “It was all the fault of those dirty Abbos, honest mate”.

The Express. Sun and Wail readers will, of course, lap it all up.

426223 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 6, #921 of 1244 🔗

Don’t tie my ‘jab arm’ down sport

426231 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 9, #922 of 1244 🔗

Pas de problème, c’est covid aussi.

426235 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Annie, 1, #923 of 1244 🔗

😂 😂 VERY good

426244 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Barbara Baker, 1, #924 of 1244 🔗


426240 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Annie, 1, #925 of 1244 🔗

Predictably so.

426330 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 2, #926 of 1244 🔗

Totally unsurprising that arrests were made by the forces of chairman Dan in Melbourne though

426437 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 1, #927 of 1244 🔗

Of course – they have so few cases they have been testing the water/sewage in Sydney in a desperate search for the coof.
So if you as much as have a drink of water after the vax…. there’s ya culprit cobber

426214 isobar, replying to isobar, 17, #928 of 1244 🔗

Breaking News from the Daily Whitewash.

Our reporter, Winston Smith, who is outside 1984 Downing Street, has heard that, following the huge amount of readers comments on the Daily Mail article by Bell Moony (see earlier posts) questioning whether deaths may have been misattributed to Covid-19, the government has launched an immediate internal enquiry to see if the over 100,000 death figure is a massive over inflation and the government is thus not to blame.

Ok I agree unlikely, but I wouldn’t put anything past this crooked government.

426224 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to isobar, 12, #929 of 1244 🔗

The amount of comments saying the same thing is a sight to behold. Wonder how many will stay up!

426249 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Mic67, 5, #930 of 1244 🔗

Yes it’s great. Hopefully a lot of sheeple will see it and start waking up.

426281 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Mic67, 26, #931 of 1244 🔗

The Previous best rated comment (see below)

‘FINALLY this is a headline, why on earth can you die from cancer, being run over by a bus, fall down the stairs…and it still be classed as covid!!!! No wonder our numbers are so high. The data is totally wrong. And don’t even get me started on the vaccine, for a illness with a 99.7% survival rate in healthy adults. Genuinely everyone must now see there is something else going on here…’.

has now been taken down. It was up over 8500 upticks before it was deleted. If anyone had any doubts, this is censorship, probably government mandated, at its most obvious.

426322 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to isobar, 2, #932 of 1244 🔗

Wow – that sums it up doesn’t it. You’d think they’d be a bit more careful, just makes everything seem so much more sinister when they blatantly censor opinion in a comments section!

426431 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to isobar, #933 of 1244 🔗

But they have left up similar comments which now have 6,000 and 7,300 upticks.

426433 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to isobar, 1, #934 of 1244 🔗

But they have left up similar comments which now have 6,000 and 7,300 upticks

426221 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 35, #935 of 1244 🔗

I think Ferguson has the most extreme case of Munchausen syndrome by proxy the world has ever seen.

Instead of just pretending his own child is ill for attention, he pretends everyone in the world is going to die unless we all listen to him him him. He has repeatedly done this before – almost a cry for help before he does the big one and murders 30 million African children through poverty

426230 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to steve_w, 5, #936 of 1244 🔗

Please don’t tell me he actually has spawn? My mental health can’t take that …..

426236 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to steve_w, 16, #937 of 1244 🔗

The very mention of his name Boils my Piss ! 🤬

426242 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to steve_w, 11, #938 of 1244 🔗

He doesn’t seem the most mentally stable chap on the planet.

426409 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #939 of 1244 🔗

He has the look of an easily manipulated man, the Phillip Cross of epidemiology, but someone on here knew him when he was at Cuntbridge.

That’s not to apologise for him and the bastard treasonous monarchy who gave him an OBE.

426229 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 26, #940 of 1244 🔗

Just been out for a little cycle around, the footpaths and parks and play areas are REALLY busy. The weather isn’t that special either and there is mud everywhere, the sheeple are determined to get out for their exercise.

We saw one young ish woman sitting outside in a (closed) pub garden talking to a young chap across a table in the open air etc wearing one.

Apart from that particularly insane covidian, people were pretty normal and friendly.


426237 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Two-Six, 20, #941 of 1244 🔗

I’m hopeful that societal homeostasis will overcome governmental stupidity. Open rebellion is a conscious choice, and requires mental effort. Drifting back into a lifetime of social habits does not, and comes more ‘naturally’.

426381 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to Two-Six, 1, #942 of 1244 🔗

Until they go shopping and then on go the muzzles

426404 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to albert hall, 2, #943 of 1244 🔗

Thing is I wear a vizor in shops and I am totally against the lockdown. I just don’t want confrontation in a small sphere. I want to protest in a larger sphere.

426258 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 23, #944 of 1244 🔗

For fuck sake. Homeschooling isn’t having a negative impact on children. Not being able to meet and socialize with other children is the fucking problem. Children need to be un-schooled (John Taylor Gatto). Then maybe, just maybe, we’d create a world full of free thinkers, instead of retarded sheep.

426264 ▶▶ RickH, replying to GuyRich, -8, #945 of 1244 🔗

I’ve come across too many de-schoolers to believe that generalized crap.

426403 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to GuyRich, #946 of 1244 🔗

Community based homeschooling is the way to go.

426440 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to GuyRich, 2, #947 of 1244 🔗

I homeschool, honestly the next person who says to me “Oh, well things haven’t really changed for you then, have they?” will probably be killed. They think we just sit in the house all day and my child never socialises with any other human beings, just because we homeschool…

She is only 6, but already knows who BoJo is and will happily tell everyone that she hates him.

426259 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 29, #948 of 1244 🔗

The corporate promotion of manadatory ‘vaccination’ against SARS-CoV-19 is fundamentally and dangerously flawed.

The proponents are assuming that the drugs on offer provide lifetime or long-term immunity from the disease. They do not. They offer only slight reduction of some symptoms in some mild cases of the disease. They do not prevent the patient from catching the disease, passing it on once caught or even dying in severe cases of the disease. The proponents are encouraging reckless behaviour by the so-called ‘vaccinated’ population.

The validity of the medical term ‘vaccine’ for the drugs should be questioned and tested by both the medico-legal experts and trading standards.

426292 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ken Garoo, 16, #949 of 1244 🔗

The mRNA vax turn your cells into spike protein factories.

There have been multiple studies showing spike proteins are able to cause acute pathogenic responses in pulmonary tissue.

I’ll pass.

426298 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Ken Garoo, 14, #950 of 1244 🔗

They can’t be mandated or not without difficulties and hence no doubt why the message/idea of vaccine passorts is being put out- re travel and jobs. To use fear and to try and manipulate and coerce people into having when most if not all people don’t actually need. I agree with you, there is no justification or sense for vaccine passports for the reasons that you spell out. There is no evidence of any of them providing any immunity and as you say simply the reduction of “mild” symptoms for some. Mild- a cough, a runny nose, a fever? High dose Vit c etc can help those! They are still in trials and experimental, and there are a huge amount of very serious adverse reactions being reported. And we haven’t started on discrimination, human rights and data protection laws and issues. If it has to go that far there needs to be a decent legal team to take to take this to court. I am sure crowdfunding the cost of this would be very easy..

426318 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Suzyv, 3, #951 of 1244 🔗

Better hurry up with crowd funding before everyone who cares is bankrupted …

426303 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Ken Garoo, 9, #952 of 1244 🔗

The other issue is that it is a drug under trial, under temporary approval- how on earth can such a drug under thus criteria even be considered mandatory, let alone vaccine passports. Anyone who pooh poohs concerns I just counter their derision with the analogy of a new car model, that has yet to undego safety checks invluding brake systems – the dealer claims they havent fully tested its road worthiness as they have been allowed to roll it out prematurely to avoid the factory going bust – would you drive it with your family on board. Likewise, similar scenario with an aircraft.

426307 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #953 of 1244 🔗

And yet I read ages ago that Ivermectin is 100% effective.

426267 isobar, 4, #954 of 1244 🔗

Strong article from AIER lambasting school closures.


426271 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 27, #955 of 1244 🔗

My neighbours got a lock-down puppy cos they are both working from home. With such a super work/life ballance life has never been better for them no more international travel, they are loving it.

The poor wee puppy isn’t.

Due to lockdown it hasn’t been at all socialised: No puppy classes, no normal meeting up with people, other dog’s, other people,no strangers in the house and is absolutely terrified of every other dog and humans in general. It won’t come to us and cowers in fear, scared of it’s own shadow.

I don’t think it will get much better, it’s too late the boat has sailed for young Miss Woofls.

Another lockdown victim.

426289 ▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Two-Six, 11, #956 of 1244 🔗

It’s lucky they don’t have a baby. God knows how bad it would be to have a deaf baby at the moment – they’ll never learn how to communicate…

426291 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Two-Six, 12, #957 of 1244 🔗

Poor thing – for goodness sake couldn’t they have bought a book when they got the puppy. People can be so selfish! I agree the dog is a victim.

426308 ▶▶ mj, replying to Two-Six, 10, #958 of 1244 🔗

is it cynical to hope that the puppy shits everywhere and eats the sofa

426438 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 2, #959 of 1244 🔗

We got a puppy last autumn. Just managed to get some puppy classes in before LD2. But we made the effort to meet up with lots of people outdoors, stopped and chatted to lots of other dog owners and dogs, and the in laws visit us regularly (illegally of course). Our puppy is great, loves other people and dogs, although I think a lot of that is just her personality. Yes it’s hard to socialise them properly atm, but if they wanted to they could. Idiots.

426507 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Two-Six, 2, #960 of 1244 🔗

A dog is for life, not just for lockdown.

426278 IngyPing, replying to IngyPing, 21, #961 of 1244 🔗

Just read the critique of Ferguson’s dodgy modelling by Derek Winton. I would like to add that in addition to failing to account for the seasonality of a respiratory virus, he also assumed a population completely naive to this Coronavirus, in other words, it was assumed that no-one had any prior immunity conferred by the other 4 coronaviruses that jave long been in circulation. Numerous papers have now been published indicating cross-reactivity of T-cells between this coronavirus and the others. Clearly those individuals who shrug off Covid19 asymptomatically are effectively already immune and this could have been inferred even last February by the situation on the Diamond Princess: a veritable petri dish of coronavirus infection which resulted in 72% of passengers having no symptoms – this alone should have given pause for thought as to how much prior immunity might exist in the population.

426406 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to IngyPing, 2, #962 of 1244 🔗

He also went shagging in his own recommended lockdown & still they listen to him !! WHY !

426282 Boris Bullshit, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #963 of 1244 🔗

London calling

No episode this week…have James and Toby fallen out again lol?

426313 ▶▶ Morse, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #964 of 1244 🔗

I was wondering also, assume they had a week off/half term with the kids? Hopefully back next week.

426439 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Boris Bullshit, #965 of 1244 🔗

technical hitch on Monday and Tuesday then gave up. Maybe there’s a media blackout until Boris routemap speech Monday?

426297 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #966 of 1244 🔗

Just checked the latest NHS/Gov dashboard up-date;
560,400 tests carried out per day from this they got 10,406 dodgy +ve test results
By my shaky maths that = 1.86% of tests gave a +ve result.
I understand our ‘Dear Leader’ wants the +ve test result figure to get down to 1000,
if they carry on with over half a millions tests per day then to get to 1000 +ve test results that would equate to 0.18% of tests giving a +ve test result or 99.82% of tests proving -ve.
Given what we know about the sampling and the testing is this statistically or technically possible? It seems to me that trying to get down to 1000 +ve tests per day is like trying to clear the last few grains of sand from the beach!

426304 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #967 of 1244 🔗

Probably very difficult to achieve.

426306 ▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #968 of 1244 🔗

So at that positive rate of 1.86% then all they need to do is carry out only 53,709 tests in a day. Then they will get 999 positives. Problem solved.

426335 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to mj, 2, #969 of 1244 🔗

Beat me to it . You can only get to 1000 pos by reducing the test volume accordingly. LF tests and lower PCR Ct would also help. Then the Fatberg can claim his Churchillian moment.

426310 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #970 of 1244 🔗

It’s impossible,that’s the reason they set the target.Forever lockdown is the future.

426390 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #971 of 1244 🔗

I put this as a comment on my local paper’s website and also sent it to the local public health director

The current rate for Leicester is 252.1 per 100000, for the county it ranges between 162 per 100000 and 215 per 100000. Corby is 317 per 100000. Converting these to percentages gives 0.25, 0.16, 0.22, 0.32 % (to 2 decimal places) respectively.
The specificity of the Lateral Flow Test is at best 99.68% for RT-PCR the specificity is between 96% and 99% depending on the number of cycles used.
Specificity is the percentage of negatives detected in a sample where you would expect 100% negatives.
If the specificity is less than 100% then the remainder will show as positive. Therefore, for a sample of 100000 being tested with LFT where all should be negative, the test will show a minimum of 99680 negatives with up to 320 (false) positives.
Therefore, these rates, even Corby’s, are compatible with the specificity of the test, all falling in the false positive range, and hence these ‘cases’ are a statistical anomaly and could be ignored.
It also means that a target of less than 1000 a day is impossible to achieve or prove through regular testing as there will always be a number of false positives, 1000 a day false positives may only require 300000 tests a day to be performed across the whole of England, basically only testing Leicester every day could throw up this number by itself.

426299 l835, replying to l835, 34, #972 of 1244 🔗

Getting tired of being the only maskless shopper in my Morrison’s, couldn’t even be bothered to tell the 12 year old on the door I was exempt when he offered me a mask. I just said ‘no thanks’ and walked in. Really don’t care if they Chuck me out.

Anyway, it seems after being able to buy clothes, candles and DVD’s since the “firebreak” they’ve reintroduced the naughty isle.

Off to Home Bargains now, it’s a tougher crowd there…

426374 ▶▶ albert hall, replying to l835, 8, #973 of 1244 🔗

My wife and I are always without exception the only non maskers in our local Asda. What a donkey like population we’ve got, you’re right about Home Bargains.

426504 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to albert hall, 2, #974 of 1244 🔗

I saw an under-the-nose wearer in Sainsbury’s this morning, and two or three non-wearers (with or without exemption badges) elsewhere in the indoor shopping centre.

426301 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #975 of 1244 🔗

Does anyone have the stats for the risk of covid for an under 65 year old. I understand it’s negligible but I would be grateful if anyone had a link to recent data.

My mum is due to get the vaccine this week and I want to see if I can have one more go at her to refuse it. I doubt i’ll have any succcess but I at least want peace of mind.

426325 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #976 of 1244 🔗

Perhaps go with the John Ioannidis paper?


“For people younger than 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVID-19 across 40 locations with available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar.”

That median gives a 1 in 2000 chance. I seem to recall that in the UK we have a 1 in 160 chance of death by road traffic accident.

426337 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #977 of 1244 🔗

Risk calculator:

426339 ▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #978 of 1244 🔗

JHUNTZ, I continue to look at the figures published by NHS England for ‘covid’ deaths that occur in hospitals.
If you’re going to succumb to a increasingly debilitating respiratory infection then it’s extremely likely in my view that you’d seek emergency medical attention before popping your clogs.
If your relative is free of any underlying health issues the figures for that group are astounding when you consider a population of 66 million or so.
And these figures are rolling stats from last March when covid reared its head

426344 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #979 of 1244 🔗

Thanks very much all. Will print off all the info with the side effects of vaccine to compare. I do not believe she is making an informed decision. Her good will is being abused by those in power.

426353 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #980 of 1244 🔗

Re the chart above – she is in the age cohort of 1,334 deaths with no comorbidities – this is in a population of 13million 60-79 year olds. #
So if she’s otherwise healthy she will have had a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying ‘with Covid’ since last March – and of course the 1,334 will include non-Covid deaths who died within 28 days of a +ve test.

426379 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #981 of 1244 🔗

Had the same with my mum, I couldn’t change her mind. If she goes ahead from my reading it seems the astra zenixa jab is somewhat less risky than the Pfizer one.

426444 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #982 of 1244 🔗

The worldwide junta has promoted vaccines as the only policy out of this. So that’s what people believe.

I wish you luck trying to convince your mother that a vaccine is not the answer.

426398 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, #983 of 1244 🔗

No but there are some very good articles on Global research.org on the vaccine etc

426305 JayBee, 5, #984 of 1244 🔗

Strong piece, probably to the liking of Toby, Lawrence Fox and Rowan Atkinson.

426324 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 46, #985 of 1244 🔗

I deactivated my Facebook some months past, but I’m told that a charming gift shop in a Gloucester shopping centre, called ’14 Gifts’, has erected signs saying that, when lockdown is over, ‘face mask exemptions will NOT be accepted’. They also say, with not a hint of being patronising, that they strongly felt that their previous signage was clear, but they will do all they can to make things clearer still’.

Please feel free to comment on their recent post.

What nasty pieces of work. They are clearly incredibly stupid, obsessive or on a power trip. Or a combination? It’s almost as if they just don’t want to survive. Let’s get this straight – they have been unnecessarily f*cked by this lockdown for months and months and months and still they bend over for the government, indeed going even further than their already ludicrous and destructive demands.

426326 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 12, #986 of 1244 🔗

I’m sure they’ll be accepted after they get hit with the first lawsuit.

426346 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to A Heretic, 9, #987 of 1244 🔗

In fairness, why would anyone want to go to this shop anyway. Still, they need to be told that they’re breaking the law nonetheless.

426369 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 4, #988 of 1244 🔗

Why would you not go solely to be able to sue them into the oblivion they deserve?

426383 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to A Heretic, 3, #989 of 1244 🔗

True! Skulls etc aren’t really my thing, but if it deservedly ruins them, maybe I would if I lived closer to Gloucester!

426327 ▶▶ leggy, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 17, #990 of 1244 🔗

Was perusing their page earlier. As well as being disgusting, discriminatory low lifes, they sell such charming items as satanic bibles. Surprised that they haven’t had their windows put through.

426341 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #991 of 1244 🔗

Many of these businesses have done alright out of lockdown payments. Some small shops have been better off sitting on there arse with a 10-15K payment.

426343 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 12, #992 of 1244 🔗

Look at their Google reviews. They’ve clearly been behaving this way for some time now. They properly booted off at someone who posted a bad review. The usual sanctimonious garbage about masks ‘saving lives’ and not wanting to endanger lives just for the benefit of a few exempt people. Truly vile stuff. Still, only feelings matter, not facts, right!?

426362 ▶▶ danny, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 15, #993 of 1244 🔗

Just checked their website out of curiosity.
Apparently when they were open (so presumably whenever they reopen too) they insisted on masking 3 year olds.
Oh and they decided at the moment not to offer click and collect as it might encourage people to leave their houses unnecessarily.
Lovely. So in addition to devil worshippers, their collective target audience is child abusers and shut-ins.

426367 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to danny, 4, #994 of 1244 🔗

Sounds utterly sick to me. They would seem to be thoroughly strange and unpleasant people and best avoided!

426365 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #995 of 1244 🔗

That’s how things got started in 1930’s Germany.

426442 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 3, #996 of 1244 🔗

In my town is an expensive gift/toy shop which has a sign in the door, as staff have vulnerable family, we are happy to serve people who cannot wear a mask at the door.
F..k off.

426489 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Silke David, 3, #997 of 1244 🔗

If they are that worried about they should just stop trading.

426329 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 16, #998 of 1244 🔗

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before but I came across this the other day. You know if they’d told us at Christmas we’d still be locked up in Spring or Summer, people would have rightly rebelled – so they lengthen it in small increments to increase adherence.

‘China’s Salami Slicing’ is a thing. “The slow accumulation of small actions, none of which is a casus belli, but which add up over time to a major strategic change”

Sounds familiar!

China’s salami slicing – Wikipedia

426347 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mic67, 10, #999 of 1244 🔗

Yep, all planned, if dolly chops had said a year ago that it would take 3 years to flatten the curve and we want to reduce the population things would have been different

426349 ▶▶ l835, replying to Mic67, 10, #1000 of 1244 🔗

Boris is treating us like the children who pestered their parents at the start of a long journey by asking “are we nearly there yet?” We get the same reply “nearly, just a little further”

426359 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Mic67, 3, #1001 of 1244 🔗

The Chinese have been very busy of late.

Remember, they were the first to advocate for lockdowns to stop the spread.

426336 Richy_m_99, 25, #1002 of 1244 🔗

My Mum’s partner, who is 88 had a turn yesterday, with an extremely bad headache. He has been experiencing high blood pressure of late, so paramedic was called who recommended attendence at A&E.

Ambulance service suggested that she take him as it would be a lot quicker, which she did. A&E took 8 hours to deal with him, during which time my mother was forced to sit in a corridor with a face mask on the entire time.

Today, she has a chest infection, no doubt brought on by rebreathing her own breath for such a long time.

426338 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 20, #1003 of 1244 🔗

Warming us up for next winter’s lockdowns already:

Experts have warned the world may face a dramatic resurgence of flu next winter, after social distancing measures cut the virus to levels not seen for over a century.

Scientists fear that falling immunity levels to influenza – normally sustained by seasonal circulation of the virus – could now pave the way for one of the worst flu outbreaks for years.

“If I had to gamble on it, then I would guess that we are likely to get a more severe epidemic in the coming winter – assuming restrictions are fully lifted by then,” said Prof John Edmunds, of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and a member of the government’s Sage committee of scientific advisors.

426342 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Adamb, 10, #1004 of 1244 🔗

Only if they aren’t whipped in the street when the damage to the economy is fully felt. There will be a massive Mia Culpa IF we manage not to slip into technocracy.

But in a more general note these academics think they are the shit now. They don’t realise that they will be kicked to the curb as soon as they are not useful anymore.

I suspect the shit will start to hit the fan when Rishi announces the Budget.

426363 ▶▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to mhcp, 8, #1005 of 1244 🔗

Surely the budget will just be a case of them kicking the can further down the road, though? Because, if they were honest about the dire financial state we are now in, the shit most certainly would hit the fan. Why would they want that?

426385 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, 5, #1006 of 1244 🔗

It will be a smoke & mirrors budget to keep us ticking over in clover !

426436 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, #1007 of 1244 🔗

Indeed – 3 March isn’t it? My guess is he will want to fire a shot across the bows of his own government, to ram home the message that this can’t go own.

Clowns like Edmonds and co. will be easy fall guys for when the real shit starts flying around.

426501 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 4, #1008 of 1244 🔗

Fishi has let the deadly farce go on for a year, why should he stop now?

426539 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 2, #1009 of 1244 🔗

yes, I don’t think he could really extricate himself now even if he wanted to. they’ve set us on a vortex to self-destruct.

426348 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Adamb, 12, #1010 of 1244 🔗

Isn’t Edmunds the sociopath who thinks we should all wear masks forever?

426368 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to leggy, 9, #1011 of 1244 🔗

Yes, can’t stand the guy. No thought at all about the impact of what he spouts on people’s mental health. Totally despicable.

426375 ▶▶▶ nic, replying to leggy, 6, #1012 of 1244 🔗

Iv written to him telling him exactly what I think of him he is a fucking tool of the biggest order

426380 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to leggy, 4, #1013 of 1244 🔗

To be honest, apart from Robert Dingwall, they all merge into one malignant lump for me.

426386 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to leggy, 7, #1014 of 1244 🔗


426388 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 5, #1015 of 1244 🔗

Edmunds not you 🤦🏼‍♂️

426350 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Adamb, 8, #1016 of 1244 🔗

This tells me they should’ve probably allowed “seasonal circulation” of Covid too – and cut off the muzzling and anti-social distancing

426352 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, 9, #1017 of 1244 🔗

They just can’t help but rub in the fact that they know that we know that they know exactly what they are doing – and they think there is nowt we can do about it 🤨

426351 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Adamb, 14, #1018 of 1244 🔗

The nation is in the thrall of terrorists. Boris and his co-religionists are determined to destroy liberty, freedom, the economy, people’s well being and health and all for carbon neutral.

They’ve made a promise – a promise they made without any citizen’s vote, to sign up to UN Agenda 21, 2030 and that requires this kind of action.

Not a coincidence – and it’s not a coincidence that they have the behavioural insights team working to destabilise people in order to force through these measures.

426393 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to this is my username, 11, #1019 of 1244 🔗

Cracks are showing within our family now ! Two sons in their 20,s Both musicians on the up last year now they are like sailing ships with no wind ! A lot of this is down to Nut Nuts with her green agenda ! + “ Neil Ferguson “ what I would do to be in an empty room with him !! ….

426399 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Freddy Boy, 5, #1020 of 1244 🔗

It’s an anti-human agenda dressed up like a public health drive. They are destroying people, and really they are doing it all for something based on lies.

I hope your sons can hold on and build a future for themselves. Maybe writing anti-lockdown songs!

426415 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #1021 of 1244 🔗

They’ve probably already tried this, but is there any opportunity for your sons to record an album or produce some music videos?

There are many musicians that have cut albums with a bedroom 4-track and a few mics. There are even a few classic albums that were recorded on such minimal setups.

426458 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to this is my username, 2, #1022 of 1244 🔗

This has been my feeling for a while. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ferguturd has tried his hand at climate modelling. Perhaps the resultant shoddily forecast global climate catastrophe is being used as leverage to convince people who wouldn’t otherwise be complicit in this evil to come onside.

426540 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to this is my username, 1, #1023 of 1244 🔗

I don’t think any of this ‘carbon neutral’ shit is any more genuine than covid. just another psyop

426354 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Adamb, 5, #1024 of 1244 🔗

One has to wonder how they got where they are. It is likely flu is still there but what was previously labelled flu is being labelled C19 (and how many previous elderly flu deaths were test positives rather than just balance of probabilities). I’m sure he can do simple sums so why has he ignored the statistical anomaly and simple explanation fitting the data, choosing a speculative theory instead? If flu goes up, C19 will go down, Edmundo.

426360 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Adamb, 4, #1025 of 1244 🔗

What, you mean they’ve tinkered with nature and swapped one problem for another? There’s a surprise.

Edmunds is getting everywhere these days, isn’t he. Loathsome.

426514 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to A. Contrarian, #1026 of 1244 🔗

Loathsome isn’t the word for it! One of the worst!

426361 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Adamb, 8, #1027 of 1244 🔗

The stench of hypocrisy and doublethink is absolutely overwhelming. ‘Lockdowns (which we love so much and have demanded for literally years now) might actually bring down levels of immunity for any other virus. Wow. WHO KNEW!?

Absolutely no disrespect whatsoever to those with the condition, but Prof Edmunds shows all the classic signs of being all across the spectrum, displaying the very worst characteristics of this with catastrophic results.

426371 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1028 of 1244 🔗

In some instances worse than Professor Fergoturd.

426430 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #1029 of 1244 🔗

Makes me very glad that I carried on seeing other humans as much as possible, I have had two or three colds this year (or covids, who knows) which hopefully will have kept my immune system ticking over.

426366 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Adamb, 12, #1030 of 1244 🔗

“Experts”, the very word SICKENS me now.

Sunetra Gupta warned about this AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

And Knut Wittkowski and others.

Jesus fucking Christ, anyone with a FUCKING BRAIN was warning about this.

Do you know what this fucking is? BIOWARFARE!

THAT is what this is.

Oh, and by the way , Gates is bleating on again about the potential of a bioweapon being released. Well, I wonder who would do a thing about that? ISIS who can’t even change a fuse? The Anarchists of Spain?

426378 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to FedupofLies, 9, #1031 of 1244 🔗

It’s really cute how Gates is suddenly the omnipresent expert about everything under the sun.

Nothing suspicious there, no sir.

426394 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1032 of 1244 🔗

I hate hate hate that charlatan with a passion.

426414 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Janette, 5, #1033 of 1244 🔗

If you aren’t sure you hate him enough, watch James Corbett’s documentary, Who is Bill Gates? Or perhaps you’ve seen it and that’s why you hate him so much. I was half way there before I watched it and this pushed me to full-blown hate.


426569 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1034 of 1244 🔗

Just finished the docs.

Gates’ plan for mankind is horrific.

India is allowed their $3 pill pack because they already have a nationwide digital biometric ID scheme, which is one of the real goals.

426400 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1035 of 1244 🔗

He’s basically telling us that a bio weapon will be unleashed , can’t he be sued on a terrorism charge ??

426544 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #1036 of 1244 🔗

that’s the problem – hubris. they all think they’re so fucking clever, when the truth is they’re monkeys just down from the trees. In the overall scheme of things, the difference between the least intelligent and the most intelligent human being is minuscule.

426370 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Adamb, 7, #1037 of 1244 🔗

More deaths next year to attribute to lockdown then – as a result of lack of natural immu nity. Perhaps if they’d done something like, oh, I don’t know.. maybe a cost benefit analysis? they might have thought of this?

426407 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Adamb, 3, #1038 of 1244 🔗

Thought the rona was killing us all in the summer anyway (models don’t lie)? I mean there comes a point when there’s no on left to kill. But just in case, I think people like Edmunds should scurry off into their bunkers and we’ll wedge the door shut behind them.

426410 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Adamb, 4, #1039 of 1244 🔗

There will be bad outbreaks of respiratory viruses next autumn I’m sure and partly due to hiding away and building up no immunity for a year. Also if what I am reading is correct these vaccines are ” priming” people for much worser reactions to coronaviruses in the future including the common cold. Instead of getting over the latter in a few days naturally for some poor vaccinated folk ADE may occur. Most have heard of ADE now which is very serious and could be fatal.

426418 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Suzyv, 3, #1040 of 1244 🔗

This is precisely what will happen next respiratory illness season. In addition to out-of-practice immune systems and the potential for ADE due to the Covid “vaccine,” I would also add that the sheeple will add the flu vaccine into the mix which also makes one more susceptible to other respiratory infections. I have a bad feeling that next winter will make March/April 2020 look like a walk in the park.

426449 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Adamb, 3, #1041 of 1244 🔗

Well that’s ok, because we don’t lock down for flu, do we?

426493 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Adamb, #1042 of 1244 🔗

I’ve been making that point for a while. A year’s lockdown of the entire population (as opposed to three weeks) is a massive medical experiment (to which we have not consented) which may have seriously adverse effects on our immune systems.

426581 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Adamb, 1, #1043 of 1244 🔗

Sadly – this may be a realistic fear – a result of lockdowns damaging population immunity.

426364 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 32, #1044 of 1244 🔗

In town today and parked by the walk-in testing centre. There were some bored looking staff but no people waiting. Still empty 2 hours later. Cheered me up somewhat.

426372 ▶▶ nic, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #1045 of 1244 🔗

Same in keighley they were trying to get passers by to have a test.

426391 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #1046 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for posting that. It’s cheered me up too.

426405 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #1047 of 1244 🔗

Same at ours in Nottinghamshire. Every time I drive past it’s empty and about 6 staff stood about doing jack shit . What a waste of money!

426452 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Sodastream, 1, #1048 of 1244 🔗

North Notts by any chance? Ours is always empty

426479 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to EllGee, #1049 of 1244 🔗

Hucknall yes where are you?

426462 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Sodastream, #1050 of 1244 🔗

And its your money.

426411 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #1051 of 1244 🔗

Royal Mail are recruiting for drivers to deliver home testing kits on a Sunday.

426413 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #1052 of 1244 🔗

Yes – I will take 10k test kits off your hands sonny – the bonfire is ready in the garden – ta
You get yourself off home and get back to Netflix

426425 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #1053 of 1244 🔗

But yet they are still somehow finding up to three quarters of a million people to test every single day, according to the govt figures.

426434 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1054 of 1244 🔗

Lord knows where from.

426376 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 27, #1055 of 1244 🔗

Pfizer suddenly announces their vax no longer needs to be stored at ultra-low temperatures:

Pfizer: COVID vaccine doesn’t need to be stored at freezing temps anymore (nypost.com)

Ffs, I could learn more about virology and medicine from the chimp cage at the local zoo.

426387 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to awildgoose, 10, #1056 of 1244 🔗

Maybe it’ll neutralise itself at warmer temperatures and stop killing people.

426396 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #1057 of 1244 🔗

Yes, worried about death toll in over 80s at ding ding round 2

426392 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to awildgoose, 15, #1058 of 1244 🔗

They have suddenly discovered this apparently – no science involved. So what’s changed?
Like the dosing interval suddenly moving from 3 weeks to up to 12 weeks. Maybe it’s something to do with profit margins???

426421 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1059 of 1244 🔗

Maybe they are just making it up as they go along

426530 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to godowneasy, #1060 of 1244 🔗

Or that an accidentally discovered lower dose is more efficient. ..
They are taking the piss out of us. Successfully, sofar.

426419 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1061 of 1244 🔗

So they were about 50 degrees centigrade out.
3 weeks becomes up to 12 weeks
Follow the science.
Deliveroo will be solving emergency supply chain problems soon.

426420 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steeve, 4, #1062 of 1244 🔗

And Dominos Pizza

426424 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to isobar, 11, #1063 of 1244 🔗

“Did somebody say just jab”

426427 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steeve, 4, #1064 of 1244 🔗

Yes, with extra topping!

426441 ▶▶ leggy, replying to awildgoose, 13, #1065 of 1244 🔗

It should be stored at several hundred degrees in an incinerator like much of the swine flu gunk inevitably was.

426464 ▶▶ iane, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1066 of 1244 🔗

Hmm, perhaps they have discovered that their vaccine is deadly and have instead bought up a load of Astrazeneca’s shit to be used in place of their “vaccine”!?

426531 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to iane, 2, #1067 of 1244 🔗

In Germany, no one wants the AZ ‘Ploerre’.
Which is why they are offering it to young carers and teachers now…..

426382 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 24, #1068 of 1244 🔗

From the Telegraph (paywall).


Extract (my emphasis):

Officials are in discussions with transport groups about advertising campaigns and Government advice to help bolster confidence in using public transport later this year .
. . .
Adam Marshall, the director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, told The Telegraph that state help would be needed in “restoring confidence in the use of public transport” to encourage staff to return to “workplaces in our major cities” when restrictions ease.

Ahead of the Prime Minister setting out a roadmap out of lockdown on Monday, Mr Marshall said businesses had highlighted “workforce confidence issues around public transport” in the months ahead.

He said such fears could be allayed by boosting public awareness about the stringent safety and security measures deployed by transport companies, including regular cleaning and reduced capacity [and face nappies] .

So how might your average sheep-person view the situation on public transport?

1) Everyone’s wearing muzzles and the place is regularly hosed down with disinfectant, so it must be a safe place; I’ll use it.

2) Everyone’s wearing muzzles and the place is regularly hosed down with disinfectant, so there’s obviously something inherently unsafe with the place; I won’t use it.

Current thinking by the government and “experts” seems to be along the lines of 1). However, surely most sheeple would opt for 2), wouldn’t they? Accordingly, wouldn’t it make sense to remove all the stupid restrictions?

426389 ▶▶ The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1069 of 1244 🔗

Obviously, but the government (and most people) are too stupid and incurious to realise this.

426401 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Tenchy, 15, #1070 of 1244 🔗

How about something sensible like just telling people they have been looking for SarsCoV2 on London Underground trains, stations and buses for months and haven’t found a trace


426416 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Lindy, 2, #1071 of 1244 🔗

It’s just ‘Mind the Gap’ on reality!

426408 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1072 of 1244 🔗

Everyone’s wearing muzzles and the place is regularly hosed down with disinfectant, so there’s obviously something inherently unsafe with the place; I won’t use it.

Tha’s bang on there. I asked a couple ‘tother day did they still go shopping in Penrith? “No,” they said. “We don’t travel on busses.” And they never use to be off them.

426461 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1073 of 1244 🔗

Sounds like you’re from a lovely part of the world Ned. Was up there in summer and found the paranoia to be worse than in London though.

426482 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Adamb, 10, #1074 of 1244 🔗

I’m an ex Essex lad living in south Lakes for the past twenty five years. Yes, it’s a lovely part of the world but you’re right: the local paranoia is overwhelming.
I read last summer of some public spirited vigilante in Yorks putting out nail traps (lengths of scaffolding board with 6″ nails driven through them and hidden by leaves) on public footpaths to deliberately injure pedestrians, horses and cyclists. I mentioned this to someone I know from hereabouts, expecting a horrified response but he said, “Yes, well if that what it takes to keep people away…” Jesus.

426508 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Steve F, 5, #1075 of 1244 🔗

Christ that’s horrendous. I’ve walked and climbed in the lakes since I was a boy growing up in Northumberland 30 odd years ago. I love it deeply but this has damaged it for me.

426422 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 27, #1076 of 1244 🔗

This is getting seriously unbelievable now.

The government are going to spend money on advertising campaigns telling people that they must go to work because public transport is safe, after spending the last 12 months spending money on advertising campaigns telling them to STAY AT HOME and Sadistic Khan sh*tting his pants every time more than two people can be found in a tube carriage?


426429 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1077 of 1244 🔗

There are none so blind as those who cannot (or don’t want to) see. This is what this government has done to the great majority of people. Simply criminal.

426448 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to isobar, 11, #1078 of 1244 🔗

What “this Govt. has done to the majority of people” has only been possible because the great majority of people don’t think for themselves. I take no pleasure from saying this because I didn’t think bovine stupidity was quite so prevalent but circumstances have proved otherwise.
Having said that, this Govt. has been so quick to exploit the stupidity of the gen pub that they must have been assuming it. That, in itself, is criminal.

426450 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve F, 2, #1079 of 1244 🔗


426459 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Steve F, 5, #1080 of 1244 🔗

Agreed Steve. There have many depressing aspects to this debacle, but seeing the majority of the population reveal their true colours over this (and not just in terms of stupidity) has been one of the worst.

426477 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Adamb, 8, #1081 of 1244 🔗

Yup: as a collective demonstration of spitefulness, vindictiveness, ignorance and insensitivity, it’s been an illuminating but very uncomfortable twelve months, hasnt it?

426492 ▶▶▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Steve F, 1, #1082 of 1244 🔗

I always suspected it. This shitshow proved it beyond doubt!

426445 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1083 of 1244 🔗

This is probably because all the bribes from the commercial real estate tycoons and developers have begun to dry up.

I can’t imagine all the Gulf oil shiekhs are very excited about how the value of their real estate investments have plunged in the past year.

426486 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1084 of 1244 🔗

Your cynicism has a lot of truth in it.

426497 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1085 of 1244 🔗

Re-read Animal Farm . Remember how all the Commandments were re-written to mean the opposite of what they originally said, and the stupid animals didn’t even notice? And they didn’t realise that pig Squealer was doing the re-writing even when he was caught with a stepladder and a pot of paint?

426466 ▶▶ John001, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1086 of 1244 🔗

Maybe to reassure they could just broadcast a few clips of public transport working as normal in Stockholm … or Tokyo … or maybe I think Helsinki or Zurich. (SWPR says Switzerland has no lockdown.)

426470 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to John001, 2, #1087 of 1244 🔗

Switzerland has a lockdown, just varies from Kanton to Kanton. MNC mandate on public transport. They just decided on some easings, but no restaurants open until summer, only outdoor seating from mid April or so.

426471 ▶▶ houdini, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1088 of 1244 🔗

Can your look a bus driver in the eye and tell him your trip is really essential

426480 ▶▶▶ IvanDP, replying to houdini, 10, #1089 of 1244 🔗

I wish more of them would.
I am a bus driver, and believe me, driving around in a virtually empty bus for most of the day is soul destroying.

426485 ▶▶▶▶ houdini, replying to IvanDP, 6, #1090 of 1244 🔗

It must be awful.I see empty buses everywhere. This disgusting campaign using the above phrase to frighten passengers off the buses has caused serious damage to public transport which will not be easy to repair.

426483 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1091 of 1244 🔗

And the masks don’t work anyway.

426499 ▶▶ Sparrow, replying to Tenchy, #1092 of 1244 🔗

I thought this might be the next step in the regime’s war on the people, focusing on those of us who have ignored their diktats up to now.

They will announce a [temporary] reopening of the economy in spring/summer – emphasising the importance of office workers to go back to work to help the local economy, it will be this year’s “eat out to help out.”

They’ll advise employers to ensure their workers are either vaccinated or tested weekly along with the rest of the dehumanising rituals we’re being forced to take part in. Employers will be keen to enforce such rules believing they will be allowed to remain open.

Until now those of us who work from home have been able to avoid the testing, mask wearing, etc. But this could put a lot of us in a situation where we are forced to comply or loose our jobs. Its one thing to refuse to wear a mask when going shopping but completely different if you’re being pressured by your employer.

It will also be a way of increasing uptake of the ‘vaccinations’ by the under 50s – no jab no job.

This fits in with how the regime is operating – forced compliance. They don’t want to bring in legislation forcing people to do everything, they want us to voluntarily do things we don’t want to do such as wering masks – it’s to humiliate us – these people are sadists.

426395 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 12, #1093 of 1244 🔗

From January but I find it amusing.

Racecourse vaccination centre to shut for day to allow horse racing to continue
A racecourse which is hosting a Covid-19 vaccination hub that provides up to 1,500 jabs daily is temporarily halting the service to enable its horse racing to continue.
Newbury Racecourse in Berkshire opened its vaccination hub on Thursday last week as part of the nationwide drive to inoculate against the virus.
But less than a week later, the centre will shut for a day on Wednesday for a scheduled race day.

426417 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steeve, 11, #1094 of 1244 🔗

It’s such a deadly evil cruel unprecedented virus that we can take a day off jabbing to watch some highly essential equine sport…

426428 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1095 of 1244 🔗

Follow the money as usual

426455 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steeve, 9, #1096 of 1244 🔗

Yes its a race day, they have them now and again but they are closing the jabadrome because its not being used, they could do what they do there from a portacabine in Tesco’s car park.

I have been past it a few times, it’s really really not busy, a trickle of customers even at it’s peak. 1500 jabs a day, I really don’t believe that. Perhaps that’s how many they could do at peak capacity. How many they have done is another matter.

oops just read it’s from January Still its empty now and they are even more pathetic than they were in January .

426412 isobar, replying to isobar, 22, #1097 of 1244 🔗

Daily Fail reverts to type.
Obviously sympathies to the parents of this 16 year old, but note the label as a ‘coronavirus death’ and the subtle switch to ‘no ‘known’ underlying conditions’ in the sub headlines.
‘Britain’s latest coronavirus deaths include 16-year-old with no underlying health conditions’
A 16-year-old with no known underlying health conditions is among the latest reported deaths of people who have tested positive for coronavirus in England.


By the look of the comments, people are not buying this scaremongering reporting anymore

Top rated comment 387 versus 44 downticks

‘There you have it. If anyone who has ever tested positive dies, then they are added as a statistic. How convenient that no autopsy is conducted on alleged covid deaths.’

426474 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to isobar, 3, #1098 of 1244 🔗

I remember when that CUNT Fauci brought up the death of a young boy whose death was related to coronavirus 19.

He was being DELIBERATELY irresponsible! Panicking parents.

426484 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to isobar, 3, #1099 of 1244 🔗

Very careful wording — tested positive rather than died from. Could have been a suicide or drug overdose and so long as there was a positive PCR in the last month the story is “technically” correct but unbelievably misleading. The autopsy issue is a big one; I can guarantee I’d insist on one if anyone in my family died “with” Covid or died after the “vaccine.”

426553 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to isobar, 1, #1100 of 1244 🔗

Given there’s more chance of a lightning strike the death of a 16 year old must surely call for an autopsy. As for the sad case of the 13 day old baby did they actually test? That would be truly bizarre.

426423 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 24, #1101 of 1244 🔗

Slightly off-topic, I know, but last night I read ‘Mein trauriges Gesicht’ (My melancholy face), a short story by Heinrich Böll. It’s about a man arrested for looking sad, when the government have decreed that everyone must look happy. Described like that it doesn’t sound like much, but it captures the essence of totalitarianism in a few pages.
Written in 1949, and just as relevant now.

426468 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to DJ Dod, #1103 of 1244 🔗

I thought there was a million strong protest in Germany so the situation was pretty hopeful.

426475 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #1104 of 1244 🔗

Police is very heavy handed, and of course you get the jealous neighbour.
There were protests marches today in Berlin, Dresden and Hamburg, and I am sure in several smaller towns, like every Saturday.

426478 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to DJ Dod, 2, #1105 of 1244 🔗

Sic semper tyrannis

426495 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #1106 of 1244 🔗

Under Borishitler you’d be arrested for looking happy.

426528 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 1, #1107 of 1244 🔗

Great name!

426564 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Banjones, #1108 of 1244 🔗

Borishitler Johnson & Johnson

426426 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 6, #1109 of 1244 🔗

For info:

Oracle Films are broadcasting at 8 p.m. tonight a response to the BBC Panorama (attempted but dismal) hatchet job earlier this week. The original schedule was 7 pm. tonight but apparently it will be 8pm. Should be very entertaining.


426435 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #1110 of 1244 🔗

Thanks for that. Does sound interesting.

426473 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1111 of 1244 🔗

Not yet downloaded online – Oracle have assured it will be in a few minutes.

426505 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1112 of 1244 🔗
426748 ▶▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to leggy, #1113 of 1244 🔗

Thats outstanding. Well worth watching.

426443 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 40, #1114 of 1244 🔗

Strange but true…when people were dying of Covid in the USA under Trump’s presidency the MSM in both the USA and the UK were speaking of a terrible American scandal and laid the blame for the deaths at Trump’s door. Since Biden took office, 85,000 Americans have died with Covid being listed as a cause. But the MSM aren’t interested any more and certainly aren’t blaming Biden.

426472 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 1, #1115 of 1244 🔗

Biden bailout for his blue state buddies:

Here’s How Much Money Every State Will Get From The Biden Bailout | ZeroHedge

I’m surprised Florida is so high on the list. Maybe the Dem-controlled cities in FL will receive most of the money.

426469 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 15, #1116 of 1244 🔗

Cathay Pacific reportedly allowing fat cats in business class to fly mask-free:

Rich Business-Class Flyers Now Exempt From Wearing A Mask | ZeroHedge

Allegedly, this is okay because their aircraft have real good air filters.

“We’re all in this together!”

426476 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1117 of 1244 🔗

Only when they are lying down on their flat beds, if they are sitting, they need to don a mnc.

426487 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Silke David, 4, #1118 of 1244 🔗

Such mad times I don’t know if you made that up or if it’s true!

426516 ▶▶ FFxache, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1119 of 1244 🔗

Nope. Biz jets fly the monied multipassport types in and out below the metaphorical radar. No checks or quarantine etc. I am aware of one who came in and out of London for a birthday party recently.
But so f’ing what. I’d do the same. Until the bedwetting supine furlough (bread) and Netflix (circuses) push back, this is the New Reality.

426526 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FFxache, 6, #1120 of 1244 🔗

I’d do the same too. I don’t resent them for doing it – it what we should ALL be doing after all. The only thing I resent is that we can’t all do it.

426488 danny, replying to danny, 14, #1121 of 1244 🔗

Whilst I bear absolutely no ill will whatsoever to Prince Philip and wish him well, it is striking to compare his current hospitalisation to that documented by Bel Mooney in the DM today.
I’m guessing the royal will not be given daily Covid tests. His son today was allowed to visit him. And if the 99 year old Prince does sadly pass away, I cannot imagine the Queen will receive a call telling her that because there’s lots of Covid around, they are gonna list him as a Covid death too.

426524 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 6, #1122 of 1244 🔗

I’m heartily glad that Prince Charles visited his father. Everyone should be allowed the same degree of humanity. I hope the Queen goes too. This is normality – this is what we should all be seeking.

426594 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to danny, 3, #1123 of 1244 🔗

What I’ve noticed is the MSM stuidiously avoiding mentioning he had the Covid vaccine a week before his hospitalisation.

426619 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #1124 of 1244 🔗

Might prove he had the real deal and not a saline jab.

426490 theanalyst, replying to theanalyst, 61, #1125 of 1244 🔗

My Daughter and her Daughter, aged 23 and 2 respectively, came round to my house for Brunch at 11.00am.

We had a great time. Normal family time. Grand daughter sat on my knee for 10 minutes – great!

These kind of family meetings generate more feelings of love than anything else for me. Many others in the UK need to see family to feel love. How the hell can the British people accept willingly that the natural behavior that results in the feeling of love is illegal? Boris needs to swing. He has this wrong. Contrast this with France, where absolutely anyone can visit you in your home. Anyone. France is paradise compared to the regime imposed by Boris the regime dictator.

Also, the copper who lives opposite me chose to ignore my family arriving to eat brunch. He has his own visitors, and is privately, like me, looking after the mental health of his daughter and his family. My curtains were open. My wife insists the people in the street must see us meeting, eating, and sharing love. People walking past can see this and feel empowered she says. I agree.

426498 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to theanalyst, 17, #1126 of 1244 🔗

Excellent. Went round dad’s earlier, door opened, looked all round, a hissed ” come in come in”. Had to laugh it was just like ‘ Allo Allo’

426511 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to theanalyst, 14, #1127 of 1244 🔗

So pleased you are doing what relatives should be doing. I took my children to my parents a few days ago. We had lunch, chatted played in the garden and had a really lovely time. How can that be illegal! Off to see the cousins tomorrow. Children have played out with other children on the street today as they always do.
How can others not do this just because they’re dictated to. It flabbergasts me. People at work say when their children ask if they can do things the parents say “We can’t do that it’s not allowed”. I tel them you know the government will be doing what they want don’t you? They just give me that zombie look….

426535 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Sodastream, 9, #1128 of 1244 🔗

I know, it’s just staggering, I still can’t get my head round it sometimes, and don’t know how anyone can feel otherwise; we have been stripped of all our human rights, and for what? a bloody cold virus? WTF?

426521 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to theanalyst, 3, #1129 of 1244 🔗

I agree! This is what we must all do – show the Terminally Terrified that life CAN go on and be enjoyed without us all dropping dead.
We must show that we can meet, and show that we can walk in the fresh air without being muzzled. We must remind them by smiling at them, at one another.

426548 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to theanalyst, 2, #1130 of 1244 🔗

And that constitutes a valid reason

426491 Caramel, #1131 of 1244 🔗

Do take the time to watch all the Plan B videos linked. They’re excellent.

426494 niko, replying to niko, 9, #1132 of 1244 🔗

“PLZ I DON’T LIKE THIS.” (“What Children are Really Being Taught at Home”)

Out of the mouths of children we still hear wisdom adults have long been conditioned to forget. The wisdom of living beings who desire to live and learn freely and fully, unconfined by the prisons from industrial schooling to online indoctrination adapting humans to social engineering for our reduced roles as robotic extensions of the machinery of production.

One of the most glaring insults added to injury in the New Normal’s discipline is how we’re all apparently to be infantilized as docile students of the corporate state, and its lies as truth, into the most abject dependency upon authoritarian control, with Big Brother a friendly, fatherly fascist (resembling Bill Gates perhaps) teaching us to be happily content with any ‘knowledge’ amounting to 2+2 equaling 5.

Those who ‘follow the science’ (aka the officially bought and paid for experts*) are following the social sciences of mass manipulation into mindless conformity to the rationalized irrationality necessary for the maintenance of all the many abuses of power over others which are taught us from earliest age.

To really revolt against the techno-tyranny now set with the Great Reset to reach completion with our digitized enslavement requires a resurrection of our more primal memories as embodied social beings, far beyond our confinement to that most oxymoronic Orwellianism of ‘social media’.


426506 ▶▶ Suet, replying to niko, 11, #1133 of 1244 🔗

I have to say I’ve been especially distressed about the ‘Plz I don’t like this’ message. Who’s to say it’s only about the lesson? So many children have been put at risk by this government.

426637 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Suet, #1134 of 1244 🔗

I read the original Conservative Woman article concerning ‘Simon’ a couple of weeks ago and it broke my heart.

426496 Leggy12, replying to Leggy12, 6, #1135 of 1244 🔗

Oh for goodness sake, tell us what we really want to know, when are golf courses opening again!?

426502 ▶▶ IvanDP, replying to Leggy12, 4, #1136 of 1244 🔗

Was only talking about this the other day with a work colleague.
His passion is golf, whereas mine is foreign travel.
How the hell is it possible for our hobbies to be illegal????????

426513 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to IvanDP, 2, #1137 of 1244 🔗

And you don’t even have to worry about social distancing with golf, it already is socially distanced.

426520 ▶▶▶▶ IvanDP, replying to Lindy, 6, #1138 of 1244 🔗

The way my mate plays, definitely.
Him in the rough on one side of the fairway and his golfing partner in the rough on the other side lololol

426555 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Lindy, 1, #1139 of 1244 🔗

the official advice last time was not to touch another player’s balls

426595 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to crimsonpirate, #1140 of 1244 🔗

One of life’s key lessons crimsonpirate. Along with being careful when you waggle before the swing.. if you’re hands are too sweaty, might affect your grip.

426615 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #1141 of 1244 🔗

An unlikely problem, I would imagine.

426525 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Leggy12, 3, #1142 of 1244 🔗

The head of the golf association of NRW wrote a really good, very scathing letter to PM Laschet pointing out the absurdities of the ban and the likely switch of golfers to much more ‘dangerous’, less sded, activities instead a few days ago.
A day later, he opened up the Golf Courses.

426517 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 36, #1143 of 1244 🔗

Superb Matt cartoon in the Telegraph. It’s spot on!
comment image

426592 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1144 of 1244 🔗

Could have been an Edmunds quote!

426518 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #1145 of 1244 🔗

I post this just to comment on the picture accompanying the story propaganda, it’s so offensive to me. It’s like a dystopian Boden ad. The kids look miserable.


426519 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Fear is Finite, 14, #1146 of 1244 🔗

Wrong wrong wrong

Why are the BBC showing a picture of people, including children, outside in the FRESH AIR, wear face coverings.

What on earth is wrong with the BBC ?

Do they think it is funny (it’s not) or are they trying to soften us up to wearing face coverings in order for grandparents to meet with grandkids.

426522 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Lindy, 13, #1147 of 1244 🔗

It’s non-stop psyops over there, every opportunity for subliminal messaging is taken.

426527 ▶▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Fear is Finite, 7, #1148 of 1244 🔗

I just don’t go there – only if there is something is posted here that seems worth clicking on

Otherwise I just get too angry, which is not too good for wine intake

426542 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lindy, 5, #1149 of 1244 🔗

On my BBC sounds feed there is a picture of a lady unpacking boxes as she just moved house. They have photoshopped a blue MNC onto her. In her own house!

426562 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Silke David, 2, #1150 of 1244 🔗


426572 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Lindy, 6, #1151 of 1244 🔗

Very busy in the parks today, thankfully very few facemasks, always astonished how BBC only ever seem to show facemask wearers.

426579 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Andrew K, 7, #1152 of 1244 🔗

still far too many swervers though. fucking idiots the lot of them – and I make no apologies for that. If after a year you can’t look at the official stats and work it out for yourself then an idiot you are.

426591 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lindy, 1, #1153 of 1244 🔗

What on earth is wrong with the BBC? That’s calling for a very, very long thread…

426614 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 2, #1154 of 1244 🔗

It’s funded by both Uncle Bill and HMG…….

426549 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Fear is Finite, #1155 of 1244 🔗


426610 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1157 of 1244 🔗

That’s brilliant. They just get better and better!

426529 richmond, replying to richmond, 5, #1158 of 1244 🔗

What’s all this stuff about actresses getting brain fog? If an actress gets brain fog, how would one know?

426543 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to richmond, #1159 of 1244 🔗

GP had it WAY b4 the rona….

426533 JayBee, 8, #1160 of 1244 🔗

I must admit I thought that this was satire, or a written joke by Matt.
Cos, how stupid can you be to actually believe this?!

426534 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 25, #1161 of 1244 🔗

Anybody read this crap yet?

DT: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/20/mapping-route-will-take-us-lockdown/

Despite the determination to keep the details under wraps, The Telegraph has been told that the roadmap will be divided into at least four “steps” or phases, spaced roughly a month apart and running until at least the end of June .


The Telegraph understands that the stay-at-home message will remain in place.

More FFS!

426537 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Ceriain, 17, #1162 of 1244 🔗

All fits with the extension to furlough. The words that spring to mind are that “he can do one”.

If this is true, surely the sheeple will wake up and say enough is enough,or will they.

If this is true, surely those that took the jab will ask “why did I bother taking a risk with experimental gene therapy”, or will they.

426538 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Lindy, 2, #1163 of 1244 🔗

…“he can do one”.

…or will they

…or will they.


426563 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Lindy, 1, #1164 of 1244 🔗

Yes let’s hope this wakes them

426541 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 24, #1165 of 1244 🔗

They will drag it out to Autumn and then use the normal upturn in seasonal viruses to lock down again.They will never let us out willingly.

426556 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #1166 of 1244 🔗

That’s my reading of their ‘plan’, too, Jonathan.

426565 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1167 of 1244 🔗

It’s not rocket science.Its what they did last year.I just can’t understand why so many people cannot see it.
It will be different this time because there will be mass insolvencies before the end of the summer.This only ends with mass civil disobedience or we go willingly into servitude.

426545 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ceriain, 19, #1168 of 1244 🔗

Just read it. Horrifying. There must be mass civil disobedience, but that won’t save businesses or the ability to travel. This year is going to be worse than last, and the longer this madness persists the more likely it is to become permanent.

426552 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Adamb, 9, #1169 of 1244 🔗

Lockdown will stay until we are all vaccinated and armed with our passports

426574 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #1170 of 1244 🔗

And then the next virus or mutation is discovered…
This was evident from the very beginning, as they never had a credible, logical approach nor any exit plan from their illogical approach.

426621 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JayBee, #1171 of 1244 🔗

They did.Vaccines.They told us back in May but no one was listening.

426559 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1172 of 1244 🔗

Roadmap, phases, plans, steps, stages – ya, ya – seen it before, got the t-shirt – road to nowhere – talking heads – talking out their arses more like : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQiOA7euaYA

426590 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1173 of 1244 🔗

It’s a Talking Heads roadmap – we’re on the “Road to Nowhere”.

426571 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1174 of 1244 🔗

FFS x 1000.

426575 ▶▶ Draefend, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1175 of 1244 🔗

Tragically I work in the travel industry and the mealy mouthed nonsense coming out from the aviation industry, reads like an abused partner stating that “s/he must still love me as s/he does not hit me as much as they used to”.


426536 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 7, #1176 of 1244 🔗

Has Boris done a deal with the ccp

426554 ▶▶ Morse, replying to Silver cat, 8, #1177 of 1244 🔗

Boris couldn’t do a deal at NCP.

426578 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Silver cat, 1, #1178 of 1244 🔗

Of course. That was always the end result.

426588 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Silver cat, 2, #1179 of 1244 🔗

What deal? I mean apart from nuclear power stations, 5G, our railways, and our media?

426598 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Silver cat, 1, #1180 of 1244 🔗

Xi pays real good.

Gates too!

426546 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 30, #1181 of 1244 🔗


We must believe in vaccines, restore our way of life, and acknowledge the harms caused by lockdowns

Meanwhile, let’s trust the science and believe in vaccines , applaud the brilliant work of the NHS , and reclaim our lives once and for all in a spirit of hope and optimism and a fierce determination never again to live like this.

An exclusive by “Sell Out” Steve Baker (bold emphasis above is mine).

What a wanker!

426551 ▶▶ Morse, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1182 of 1244 🔗

He always was a sell out, never trusted him ever, like a chameleon this joker, probably bought for a crate of Burgundy. Fuck him.

426583 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Ceriain, 11, #1183 of 1244 🔗

This was the comment I have just put up on the article.
‘Why would we believe in an experimental vaccine created to fight off a virus most of us can do so naturally with our own immune systems? By all means vaccinate the vulnerable, or whoever wishes to take it, but I will not get behind the vaccine for the majority of the population. I did not get behind masks, social distancing or lockdowns and I will not get behind the ‘solution’ to them. The solution is not vaccines, the solution was to have listened to the authors of the much censored ‘Great Barrington Declaration’ and apply common sense to this crisis. Vaccines are apparently more necessary than common sense. But then common sense doesn’t appear to make money for anyone or give our government the ability to control the masses.’

426607 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Liberty, 2, #1184 of 1244 🔗

Oh Liberty it’s the solution alright – I fear the Final Solution

426587 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, #1185 of 1244 🔗

Sounds like Toby – did he write it for him?

426604 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, #1186 of 1244 🔗

Good grief!!!!!!

426608 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1187 of 1244 🔗

I was going to comment on your previous post about the “four steps” out of lockdown by referencing this shite by Steve Baker but you got there first.

Objective achieved whichever way you look at it. A population and media that “believe” in what we warned would happen 12 months ago. The juggernaut can’t be stopped. Forced vaccination through coercion, whether that be family, friends, coworkers or removal of your basic rights.

I give up.

426629 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1188 of 1244 🔗

Fuck knows who Steve Baker is but fuck the NHS

426636 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ceriain, #1189 of 1244 🔗

Nauseating; what a wanker indeed!
applaud the brilliant work of the NHS
I keep thinking of all of the thousands, the so called ‘collateral damage’ of the tsunami of despair and misery visited upon us by these lunatics. The suicides, the people too frightened to call for, or get, medical attention and who died at home; those who caught the bloody virus in hospital; those denied cancer screening and treatments and all of those who will suffer needlessly into the future.

426547 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 22, #1190 of 1244 🔗

Tonight the UK is making a determined effort to get into a podium position. It is now fourth overall in deaths per million, but closing up rapidly on Czechia in 3rd place who themselves are only marginally behind Slovenia in 2nd. The long time leader Belgium themselves are now in the UK sights. It may only take another week at current rates before the UK claims that No1 position so clearly prized by all at Sage and Government.
Don’t let people tell you that the UK has lost sight of this prize during its mad dash to vaccinate anything that moves, no , its still firmly on track to demonstrate its return to global dominance.

426558 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to peyrole, 6, #1191 of 1244 🔗

Johnson et al are also going for the longest hard lockdown; can’t have that Aussie Andrews keeping the title.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Johnson’s called Worldmeters demanding a column fo vaxxing. Another title to be had.

426561 ▶▶ Janette, replying to peyrole, 2, #1192 of 1244 🔗

I love your comments Payrole, it really made me laugh.

426570 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to peyrole, 3, #1193 of 1244 🔗

Notice how it’s really all the white western and south American nations that are really promoting the narrative.

426550 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1194 of 1244 🔗

Here is the official story about the Newbury Racecourse Jabadrome conversion. I must say its a PPE nightmare, a covidians paradise. Check the photos. These people are insane.


ohhh jeeez my maths…snip

426573 ▶▶ Draefend, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1195 of 1244 🔗

Seriously, what a flock of cunts!

426557 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 19, #1196 of 1244 🔗

Is anyone else nauseated by the flood of ads cashing in on the fear? Glibly bracketng bacteria and viruses together and claiming that their wonder product ‘kills viruses including coronavirus’. Truly miraculous as viruses are not clinically alive to start with! Now the sheeple have a choice of sheep dip!

426567 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to eastender53, 12, #1197 of 1244 🔗

This has always annoyed me. “There are more bacteria on your kitchen surfaces than on your toilet seat”. Maybe, but as long as they’re not disease-causing I don’t care. My guts are chock full of the things after all.

426576 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1198 of 1244 🔗

and people don’t stop to consider the damage being done to their immune systems by zapping everything.
I’m always surprised by how often colleagues are off sick and wonder if it’s anything to do with me letting my immune system do what it’s supposed to do.

426831 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to eastender53, #1199 of 1244 🔗

complain to ASA

426566 Teddy Edward, replying to Teddy Edward, 11, #1200 of 1244 🔗

Do the think the same dumbfucks who stockpiled toilet paper are the same ones salivating for the jab?.If so I can rest easy.

426625 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Teddy Edward, 6, #1201 of 1244 🔗

Without a doubt they are one and the same. They’ll knock you over to get the last roll of toilet paper and cut the line to get the jab — all while wearing 2 or 3 masks at once to keep you themselves safe.

426568 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 11, #1202 of 1244 🔗

Today was the first plesent day of the year, apart from the howling wind. Anyway after a brisk walk I built up a bit of a sweat so I removed my jacket, then it dawned on me after walking passed a muzzled up zombie, where I so wanted to berate him. If only there was a way I can show my displeasure at these idiots without actually doing directly. T-Shirts with anti-lockdown, mask, vaccine, media messages on them. If we all walked around with them we would get either one of two reactions either people will ask where can I get that or start an argument with me for which I will give them back with both barrels. Now I want idea’s what messages I can get printed on T-shirts front and back. Some idea’s of mine.

Face masks do nothing to protect you, they make you ill instead.

Look into there eyes, and tell them why you never gave covid patients Ivermectin, murderers.

The cull of man has began, open your eyes and not your sleeves.

You will own nothing and be happy, the real reason for this covid bollox

look at there eyes and tell me you support the deaths of MILLIONS that lockdown will cause.

Facebook can’t censor my T-shirt. Covid is a scam!!

Welcome to police state Britain, well you asked for it!!

Remember when we went on demo’s and the police swamped us, well I’m not sure how the police can shut us up this way. Imagine if thousands walked around busy hgh streets wearing t-shirts like this. Even their covid legislation can’t stop this.

Give me lots of slogans and I’ll see if we can get them printed. The more confrontational in my opinion the better.

426580 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1203 of 1244 🔗

Your mask makes me sick

426585 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1204 of 1244 🔗

“Stop touching your filthy face rag you filthy ragger, you!”

426586 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1205 of 1244 🔗

Very good!
How about something like: ‘Your Children & Grandchildren will not escape this. They will never know the outside world, or even real human contact, outside of a digital screen. Tell them you did everything you could to stop it.’

426593 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1206 of 1244 🔗

That’s a great idea Andrew. I think a simple slogan like Covid is a Hoax would get the message across. You should set up a business selling them

426601 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janette, 2, #1207 of 1244 🔗

Not covid. Lockdown is a hoax.

426599 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1208 of 1244 🔗

The hard fact is that those who are wearing masks or are terrified will either take no notice at all, or just mutter something like ‘Tosser!’ and walk on. You might get into confrontation with the odd nutter – but that’s about it.

Save your energy.

426609 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to RickH, 2, #1209 of 1244 🔗

Agree that saving one’s energy is the best approach at present.

Now, if the masker is irate and accosts you, that is a totally different scenario.

426627 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #1210 of 1244 🔗

wearing a t-shirt that shows it’s wearer to be a tosser would suit you

426623 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1211 of 1244 🔗

I started a list of slogans back in April. I got a mask from Etsy that says I’m Being Forced to Wear This but I can’t tolerate wearing a mask and so it’s rarely been seen. Here’s my list, for what it’s worth (some original but not all).

Seen But Not Herd
Mass(ked) Hysteria
Anti-Socially Distanced
Herd Immunity Mentality
New Not Normal
Silence of the Lambs
FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real
Make 1984 Fiction Again
Maskerade of Silence

426632 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1212 of 1244 🔗

They’re all good but I particularly like “Seen But Not Herd” and “Make 1984 Fiction Again”. In fact I think the 1984 will really hit home with people.

426633 ▶▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to OKUK, #1213 of 1244 🔗

Maybe “Herd But Not Seen” is actually more appropriate?

426582 assoc, replying to assoc, 1, #1214 of 1244 🔗

When I am persuaded that the Chinese Armed forces have all been vaccinated then I might start believing in all this

426584 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to assoc, 1, #1215 of 1244 🔗

President Xi replies: “We can arrange appropriate video footage and photographs of valid certification within the next 24 hours. Please continue to believe our propaganda.”

426611 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to OKUK, 1, #1216 of 1244 🔗

mRNA vaccinations are banned in China,

426616 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, 1, #1217 of 1244 🔗

“Nevertheless, an editorial from the nationalistic tabloid Global Times questioned why US media were “ silent on Pfizer deaths ,” and another article several days later quoted Chinese urging Australia to halt the use of the Pfizer vaccine.”



Two anti-China articles in the western press.

426631 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, #1218 of 1244 🔗

Lol! I didn’t know that but it makes sense.

426597 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to assoc, #1219 of 1244 🔗

They’ll get right on it.

After invading and securing Taiwan and South Korea, of course.

426589 Janette, replying to Janette, 22, #1220 of 1244 🔗

How exciting is this? I have arranged to meet up with a group of fellow sceptics tomorrow for a walk! It will be great to meet up with some people I have never met before and to discuss the current situation.

426600 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janette, 2, #1221 of 1244 🔗

Wonderful! Have a great time.

426606 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Janette, 1, #1222 of 1244 🔗

It really helps.

426620 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Janette, 1, #1223 of 1244 🔗

That’s awesome! I had a similar meetup in January and it was nice to be around likeminded people. We haven’t repeated as we just got out of yet another lockdown and it’s been too cold to meet outside again. Let us know how you make out!

426596 Cheezilla, 11, #1224 of 1244 🔗

Seen on fb. The caption reads: MSM.com 1 in 7 Brits Believe There Is A Huge Coronavirus Cover-up Involving Politicians, Scientists and Journalists.

Strangely, when I click the link it says the page “seems to have disappeared.”

426602 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #1225 of 1244 🔗

Very good video from Oracle Films (from an earlier thread):


They point out the huge financial conflict of interest of Smeeth like most of the people the BBC chooses to “debunk” vaccine-lockdown scepticism.

I do feel they should have zeroed in on Spring herself. She can’t expect to carry on like this, throwing out unfounded accusations against good and knowledgeable people. She is sailing very close to the wind.

426605 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, #1226 of 1244 🔗

I just watched that, well worth a watch.

426603 awildgoose, 3, #1227 of 1244 🔗
426612 Allen, replying to Allen, 19, #1228 of 1244 🔗

People signing up for experimental gene therapy believing it’ll protect them from a make-believe pandemic, a low point in human history.

426617 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Allen, 10, #1229 of 1244 🔗

Passing off an experimental gene therapy as a “vaccine” that protects you from contracting and transmitting a not-very-deadly virus is fraud and a crime against humanity. It is a low point in human history when people will spend more time deciding on takeout or which new TV to buy than questioning what’s going into their bodies.

426626 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1230 of 1244 🔗

to be fair most people get the same takeaway every time so they don’t actually spend much time thinking about it. Though anyone dumb enough to take the vaccine deserves what they get. They gave it to old Tom and now he’s pan bread and then they gave it to Prince Philip and it’s looking like he’s playing his last over.

426641 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Allen, 1, #1231 of 1244 🔗

Just heard my neighbour’s young daughter has had ‘the jab’ because she’s working as a care support worker to boost her application to train to be a nurse. I felt sick. She’s being betrayed by our government. I really hope to god that the vaccines she had is benign (we already know they are the excuse for the vaccine passport).

426613 stoptheworld, 5, #1232 of 1244 🔗

Defintion of “BULLY”
to hurt or frighten someone, often over a period of time, and often forcing that person to do something they do not want to do
International STAND UP to Bullying Day 26th February

426618 Silver cat, replying to Silver cat, 10, #1233 of 1244 🔗

Steve baker is controlled opposition. Take the vaccine at your peril.

426622 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Silver cat, 5, #1234 of 1244 🔗

You can bet your bottom dollar he won’t be taking it.

426624 Biker, replying to Biker, 22, #1235 of 1244 🔗

I have my doubts that you’re getting much support from parents about the total devastation you’ve caused to the children’s education.
please spare me your Orwellian remote learning nonsense. Kids go to school to be schooled. If they could do it themselves, we wouldn’t need schools. Schools should be standing up to the government and demanding the children come back not sending out fantasy emails about remote learning. Does my child not matter? Does he not deserve an education? Does he not need to be outside with friends playing sports and socialising? Have you the first clue about what you are doing to the children? Do you even care? What future will he have after all of this? Teachers should be demanding schools be open. I am bitterly disappointed with all this. I could list many, many countries where the children are at school but what would be the point.

sent that to my sons school after they sent me an email thanking parents for all their support for the schools excellent work durning the last year despite the circumstances. they actually said this in their email. they sucked before this shite but fucking hell these people are deluded spineless cowards. It’s been nearly a week since i sent them an email but i guess they’re to busy to respond.

426630 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biker, 1, #1236 of 1244 🔗

Yay! Biker’s back…

426638 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Biker, 4, #1237 of 1244 🔗

I take every opportunity I get to point out to everyone I know how immoral it is to close schools, colleges and universities and deny our young their education. Nothing in this (non)‘pandemic’ will ever justify it. The education they receive is the least of what they’re being denied. It makes me sick that I even have to point it out to them.

426634 stoptheworld, replying to stoptheworld, #1238 of 1244 🔗

Some vaccine honesty

426639 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stoptheworld, #1239 of 1244 🔗


426640 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1240 of 1244 🔗

For any night owls like me out there, check out Netflix ‘Attacking the Devil’. Covers the thalidomide scandal. But oh where is a Harold Evans when we need one? I’d like to think he would have torn lockdown to shreds.

426644 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1241 of 1244 🔗

Legend !

426642 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1242 of 1244 🔗

Lockdown sceptics. Is anyone on here still simply sceptical of lockdowns? Or totally anti lockdown given the death and destruction they undoubtedly cause?

426643 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1243 of 1244 🔗

Totally Anti !!!

426672 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrea Salford, #1244 of 1244 🔗

yes the name does seem outdated – you wouldn’t say ‘genocide sceptics’


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