Last updated2021-02-22T12:32:06



428388 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 100, #2 of 1871 🔗

The powers that be quite like us locked up. We cannot congregate and therefore protest. We are kept off the roads, and out of pubs and clubs. We aren’t flying off en masse on holiday crime has dropped, ie we are existing not living and the political class love it.

Regardless of what the tyrant in No. 10 thinks I will do what I want when I want and with whom I want.

428469 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 35, #3 of 1871 🔗

Apparently knifings in London have increased, another example of lockdown stress perhaps.
On a lighter note, along part of our urban riverside where there are several cafes and restaurants is an area occupied by a dozen or so combined tables/benches all of which were being used by 3 or 4 people last time the sun was out.
Seems many people are already doing what they want with whom they want.

428483 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 25, #4 of 1871 🔗

Doesn’t surprise me especially as Sadiq Khan is more bothered about statues in London rather than the problems that have increased under his watch.

428807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #5 of 1871 🔗

As much as I would like him kicked out of office I fear it will never happen. The political system is so corrupt having a muslim mayor shows our diversity credentials which are all important to the ruling classes.

428889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #6 of 1871 🔗

Surely David Kurten qualifies?

429473 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #7 of 1871 🔗

Yep, perhaps if he changed his name to Khan

428660 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to karenovirus, 18, #8 of 1871 🔗

Presumably the knifers were properly masked, otherwise I am sure Britain’s Finest would have them banged to rights, good and proper.

429235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ken Garoo, 9, #9 of 1871 🔗

I would suggest that going out with the intention of stabbing someone is one of the few sensible reasons for wearing a mask.

428803 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 34, #10 of 1871 🔗

Over the weekend It was good to hear people out in their gardens and meet others taking the air, and the laughter of children was oh so welcome too! So much has been stolen from us I can never forget nor forgive. I hate this government more than I can possibly say.

428813 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 4, #11 of 1871 🔗

Private Eye (not as good as it used to be) in the latest issue described stabbing as “the new hobby on the block”.

429007 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #12 of 1871 🔗

At Xmas the news was all about more younger patients going into hospital with covid compared to the first wave. This was because it was decided, sorry captain Tom, all those over 85 who were considered as unlikely to live simply be given palliative care. This is why deaths shot up then even though more younger patients were in hospital. We were warned on shows like the Big Question where Lord Sumption tried to explain the nhs valued lives on age. But nobody listened criticizing him for saying the nhs valued lives on age. We have a similar situation with lockdown every day we hear on the news how people are struggling while also hearing most people support lockdown. Now you can’t have it both ways, you either support lockdown and the consequences or you oppose lockdown simple as. To me lockdown as not saved lives only prolonged deaths the pandemic and created mutant strains. Why ?

428176 Rich, replying to Rich, 7, #13 of 1871 🔗

Will UK kids be forced to wear masks? I remember seeing an article a while back that said they won’t, but maybe that has changed.

428183 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Rich, 27, #14 of 1871 🔗

The child abuse has been perpetrated on school kids here since September. No reason to think UK kids will be spared, though I hope they are. Homeschooling and learning pods are on the rise here and I would have gone that route if my kids were younger. No way would I have sent them to school in masks.

428186 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Rich, 6, #15 of 1871 🔗

Everywhere except in their own classroom, isn’t it? Certainly the rule in Guantanamo Wales.

428281 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Annie, 2, #16 of 1871 🔗

It could be the concession the unions extract for ‘safety’ reasons. No science behind it of course. But I will be glad my kids get back to normal-ish education. They are going loopy at home.

428288 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jhfreedom, 53, #17 of 1871 🔗

IF we get through this EVERY union leader who pressurised government to put kids in masks needs to be PUT ON TRIAL FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!


I want NO EXCUSES on this forum.

428476 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to FedupofLies, 10, #18 of 1871 🔗

I am not disagreeing with what you say but union leaders could not have put kids in masks without the bulk of their members being willing to ‘just follow orders’.

428625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Saved To Death, 14, #19 of 1871 🔗

That is not entirely true or fair. Union leaderships appear to have been entirely co-opted on this. They are not basing their position on the opinion of members. They claim to speak for members, but they are interested only in gathering evidence of support for their own predetermined approach.

Members have no real voice. Beyond signing open letters, which has happened to some extent, we are just peasants in a feudal system.

428661 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ovis, 6, #20 of 1871 🔗

It does not matter who tells you to subject the children in your care to abuse – if you subject the children in your care to abuse you are responsible for that.

We are all just peasants in a feudal system at the moment – that does not absolve any of us of responsibility for our own actions. There is always a choice.

428758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Saved To Death, 7, #21 of 1871 🔗

In a school context, the orders will come proximately from the head teacher. If we are talking about masks, which I loathe and see as a clear violation of the basic human right of bodily autonomy, a teacher is perhaps able to refrain from enforcing ‘the rules.’ A teacher may even, depending on the school culture and relationships with the kids (as some might well dob the teacher in), get away with challenging the legitimacy and wisdom of mandatory masking in the course of teaching. That is probably the limit of what can be done by an individual teacher without courting suspension and dismissal.

I think the more acute question that individual teachers will have to face is the up-the-nose-and-down-the-throat testing. If teachers are instructed to carry those tests out, on minors whose consent has been extorted, then they will be forced to take a conscientious stand or become directly complicit.

428830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Colin, replying to Ovis, 6, #22 of 1871 🔗

Here in France the kids are to spit in a cup and the saliva is tested. Government clearly relieved as they openly admit swab testing was painful and no doubt feared a backlash if they tried to enforce it. Why isn’t this option available in the UK?

429346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Colin, 1, #23 of 1871 🔗

But would you do it anyway?

428485 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #24 of 1871 🔗

BBC R4 is reporting that Labour is supporting bozos school return plans.

428727 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to karenovirus, 9, #25 of 1871 🔗

Would the teachers unions accept long term.liability to be paid out of teachers pensions for the harm they will inflict on kids as long term mask wearing increases the probability of lung cancer, pleurisy and bacterial pneumonia.

428784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #26 of 1871 🔗

They might accept that. After all, it would be no skin off their nose.

The unions are not speaking for teachers on this. They neither know nor care what teachers think about it.

To be clear, I consider mandatory masking evil, degrading and harmful. I agree that mandatory masking of children is child abuse.

It is difficult to see what a classroom teacher with a family to support can do, beyond ignoring ‘rule-breaking’ and perhaps including sceptical content or asides when teaching. Even that is dangerous.

Maybe they should just duck out and go for long-term sick leave with stress?

428177 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 23, #27 of 1871 🔗

Just consider this, why are you more inclined to believe politicians, corporations & MSM narratives, who has an agenda & who profits? Question everything, think for yourself, trust no one, judge narratives with independent facts (not fact-checkers).

Is COVID-19 A Hoax? by Iain Davis
Xi’s PCR Test Protocol The Very Opinionated Kate Wand Show

428567 ▶▶ scuzbert, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #28 of 1871 🔗

I agree re. questioning everything and thinking for yourself, but had a strange interaction with a friend last week. She totally believes everything that’s been pumped out by government, MSM, etc. and was pleased and proud to have rushed off to be jabbed a few weeks ago. My husband bumped into her just after – she asked when he was going to be jabbed. He told her we were thinking about it. We aren’t and won’t be having it. When we saw her last week, it was obvious she couldn’t wait to get the pleasantries out the way so she could grill us about the jab. He again told her he hadn’t decided (much simpler with her), then she starts on me ‘And have you made up your mind?’ ‘Yes.’ ‘And you’re having it.’ ‘No.’ ‘Why not.’ ‘What’s the point when it doesn’t stop you getting it or transmitting it.’ ‘Oh yes it does!’ ‘Well, I understand it doesn’t.’ ‘Your trouble is you read too much and believe it!’ She didn’t get the irony….

428739 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to scuzbert, 9, #29 of 1871 🔗

I believe it will reduce transmission, because I believe spread is lower when symptoms are less severe.

I’m not getting it purely on principle – they shouldn’t buy it for me without checking whether I want it. I only take untested drugs if the purported effects are really fun.

428901 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #30 of 1871 🔗

I thought it reduced symptoms so that you could spread it without knowing you had the disease.

428958 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #31 of 1871 🔗

The “vaccines” will just cause more mutations.

428895 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #32 of 1871 🔗

Worth repeating::

Just consider this, why are you more inclined to believe politicians, corporations & MSM narratives, who has an agenda & who profits?

Question everything, think for yourself, trust no one, judge narratives with independent facts (not fact-checkers).

429571 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Anti_socialist, #33 of 1871 🔗

the Iain Davis article is interesting – especially the point at the end about terrain based theory.

428178 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #34 of 1871 🔗

It’s the height of hypocrisy, modellers ridiculing “conspiracy theorists”!

I’m not a big fan of James Corbett, but I have a open mind & willing to listen to anyone & judge them on their content. He does have an obsession with Malthusian theory & eugenics, as do his nemesis, I disagree with his views on population but, thing is theories are becoming facts.

How Can A Global Conspiracy Work – Questions For Corbett The Corbett Report
ITT Video – New World Order . In-This-Together.com

428179 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #35 of 1871 🔗


428343 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #36 of 1871 🔗

How are they going to implement this? Yes they can empty your bank account remotely but what about physical possesions? What logistics have they there. I’ll defend my family and property to the death.

429594 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 2, #37 of 1871 🔗

I don’t think it will happen overnight in, say, one fell swoop, but it will be done by one incremental act upon another; if you stand back and look at everything that is happening it is already underway – we are being conditioned to being locked up in our houses, the economy trashed, then there will be a debt amnesty, which people will think is great, like the furlough, but you will have to pay for the debt amnesty down the line, and when they have “got you out of your debt” then the extension will be “if you hand over your house” and for peeps not in that boat then they will have a wealth tax applied to them until they have to sell their house to pay for it yada yada yada and airline travel is increasingly only going to be available to people who can afford to travel by jet [the elite] we aren’t intended to own [or drive cars] – again, the elite, already underway with the electric cars policy by 2030. It will be a piece by piece chip chip chip unless we begin to say “we see what you are doing and we don’t want it”. What about someone putting a parliamentary petition up along the lines of ” UK says No to the WEF Great Reset”?

428346 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #38 of 1871 🔗

Its like a madman’s rantings and ravings

428477 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #39 of 1871 🔗

Buy physical silver and keep it under the floorboards
Bring the whole rotting system down

428377 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #40 of 1871 🔗

Interesting that they use the word ‘theory’ because, as you say A-S, theories are facts, well almost. If Ferguson et. al. don’t like it, they should call us ‘Conspiracy Hypothesists’ as a hypothesis is a possible explanation for some observable thing. All Ferguson’s hypotheses have been miles out and that is why he has not created a theory. Darwin’s ‘Theory of Evolution by natural selection’ is a theory because trillions of pieces of data have been found all supporting it. Just one kangaroo successfully mating with a snail would prove it wrong. Once all the data is in, then we have facts such as 2020 being the 9th deadliest year this century, the pandemic ending last May and masks and lockdowns causing more harm than good.

428511 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Bungle, 14, #41 of 1871 🔗

Critical Theory – Change the meaning of the words, control the language, gain the power . It’s all the same pseudoscience and doublespeak. It intentionally makes no sense. These people do not understand or respond to reason or rational arguments. You waste your time and brain power . Responding on an emotional level doesn’t work either – they have no empathy. Amply shown in the tos and fros with Ferguson ATL.
This is a whole bigger problem

429602 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Barbara Baker, #42 of 1871 🔗

But at least she socked it to him and in public as opposed to having to see his mug on the MSM night time news and have to listen to his pronouncements, received by whichever news reader, without having any right of reply.

428180 chris notifier, replying to chris notifier, 133, #43 of 1871 🔗

I can’t bear the pointlessness of this anymore. Hanging around waiting for these fuckwitts to invent another variant or some such fearmongering crap. Just woke up at 5am. Wish I hadn’t. This is not a life..,..

428181 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to chris notifier, 19, #44 of 1871 🔗

Health authorities in India claim to have discovered two hundred and forty new variants of the virus.

428184 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #45 of 1871 🔗


428182 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to chris notifier, 48, #46 of 1871 🔗

I remember many years ago watching a documentary about an accomplished safe cracker/bank robber. His career began with him feeling hopeless, he had nothing going for him & decided to commit suicide! Whilst contemplating how to do it he had a thought, if I’ve got nothing to lose, I may as well throw caution to the wind & take some risks to enjoy myself. Eventually of course he ended up in prison, but he so enjoyed his journey there he forgot all about ending it.

428185 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 58, #47 of 1871 🔗

Or the old joke about the man who felt so desperate that he decided to end it all by taking 200 aspirins. After taking the first two, he felt better.

428228 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 30, #48 of 1871 🔗

Or the urban legend of the bloke when after trying to gas himself with non toxic gas in an enclosed room decided that he wasn’t meant to die and sat on the floor and lit himself a fag.

428263 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 34, #49 of 1871 🔗


Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren’t lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

428392 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #50 of 1871 🔗


428774 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #51 of 1871 🔗

This is true, it happened around 30 years ago in the road next to me in Chislehurst. The roof of the house blew off and the guy was blown out into his front garden, I think he survived, unlike his house!

430032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to isobar, 2, #52 of 1871 🔗

Ah yes – the historic moment when a youthful Elon Musk took his first steps towards devising his rocket shop to Mars.

428516 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #53 of 1871 🔗

Hopefully he wrote the book inspiring the documentary and really cashed in?

428722 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #54 of 1871 🔗

well, exactly. the heady freedom of having nothing more to lose.

430030 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #55 of 1871 🔗

i recommend Breaking Bad. It’s been my lockdown staple. And *spoiler alter* he doesn’t end up in prison.

428188 ▶▶ Annie, replying to chris notifier, 75, #56 of 1871 🔗

Don’t hang about waiting for the fuckwits. Find something worthwhile to do. There’s still plenty.

Oh, and let’s organise a nationwide booing session every time the fuckwits go on TV and open their foul little gobs. That sounds worthwhile to me.

428229 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 25, #57 of 1871 🔗

Irritated the sheep and collaborators in Australia so it’s worth a go.

428260 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 10, #58 of 1871 🔗

Oh I’m already doing that – telling them just where to get off/flicking the finger/etc…

428399 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to ElizaP, 38, #59 of 1871 🔗

Does this mean I am not the only person swearing at the radio/TV every time a covid ad comes on and everytime the fat pig dictator or handjob comes on the TV? Colour me surprised!

428524 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Annie, 11, #60 of 1871 🔗

That’s something I can get on board with – I’ll get out the pots and spoons to annoy the neighbours like they did with me every bloody Tuesday.

428191 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to chris notifier, 82, #61 of 1871 🔗

I couldn’t sleep I’m so excited.In 2 weeks time i will be allowed to sit on a park bench eating a sandwich.

428195 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to jonathan Palmer, 28, #62 of 1871 🔗

Who said you could eat? It’s a slow release, food comes with good behaviour!

428215 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #63 of 1871 🔗

There will be standards fro what constitutes a “snack” as against “food”

428218 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bill Grates, 8, #64 of 1871 🔗

I wonder if a Scotch egg will be OK? Eggs are a natural source of vitamin D, bet Gove didn’t know that at the time.

428220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #65 of 1871 🔗

It may depend on whether it’s warm …. or not .

428265 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #66 of 1871 🔗

….and I’m not convinced you’re joking either. Scotch Egg anyone?

428825 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #67 of 1871 🔗

In Germany, they are already past that. The police is telling people off for not drinking and eating fast enough when walking or standing outside. Plenty of vids on that.
The world has gone completely mad.

428859 ▶▶▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to JayBee, 12, #68 of 1871 🔗

Because in most German city centres the Gestapo has decreed that we must wear masks. Some wicked people try to circumvent the order by eating, drinking or smoking, hence the videos you’ve seen. Yes, the world is truly nuts, and I now want little part of it.

428371 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to jonathan Palmer, 55, #69 of 1871 🔗

Funny that..I was in Hyde Park over the weekend and every bench was occupied with people ..wait for it..eating and drinking. The sheeple of upper middle classes have spoken, you may take away our freedom but you will never take away their M&S sandwiches..Good to see people having fun with barely a mask in sight.

428503 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Thomas_E, 9, #70 of 1871 🔗

A Waitrose tax and a work from home tax will sort them out

429524 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #71 of 1871 🔗

My experience is that a lot of people are in “quietly ignore” mode.

429522 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #72 of 1871 🔗

I’ve been doing that anyway although I tend to avoid crowds of people. My experience in London at any rate is that people who actually go out and about are less fanatical about all the nonsense.

428199 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to chris notifier, 32, #73 of 1871 🔗

I was up at 4.45am for another day of existing, not living.

428568 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to chris notifier, 18, #74 of 1871 🔗

Shit in an envelope and send to your local covid test centre

428719 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to chris notifier, 4, #75 of 1871 🔗

pace yourself, Chris. it’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better. we’re in this for the long haul.

429359 ▶▶ Woden, replying to chris notifier, 5, #76 of 1871 🔗

Try to find something creative to do, and try to not to let this stuff get to you, These fuckers are soulless beyond reason ,do not let them beat you

428187 Annie, replying to Annie, 49, #77 of 1871 🔗

Look just above the line. Barr is opening up a rift between ‘us’ vaccine enthusiasts and ‘them’ anti-vaxxers.
This is very, very dangerous. Not all lockdown sceptics are necessarily vaccine sceptics, but an awful lot are – maybe the majority – and if they’re made to feel unwelcome, they’ll leave.
No need to BE an anti-vaxxer, Barr. Just don’t sing the praises of the stuff all the bloody time.

428192 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 2, #78 of 1871 🔗

Changed your story today I see 😉

428196 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #79 of 1871 🔗

“‘us’ vaccine enthusiasts”

You serious, Annie?

428201 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 9, #80 of 1871 🔗

I am not a snake oil enthusiast.That’s why I used the distancing quotes.

428202 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Annie, 6, #81 of 1871 🔗

That was my interpretation of your original comment. I thought it was a fair comment too.

428203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 3, #82 of 1871 🔗

Thank God for that. 👍
I thought you’d been hacked. 😜

428258 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 7, #83 of 1871 🔗

The only hacking hereabouts is done by me, on my horse, who doesn’t give a horseshit for the Evil Bozo or the Welsh Dung-gang or anybody else like them.

428197 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 21, #84 of 1871 🔗

I’ve generally stopped reading ATL. The comments section is where it’s at anyway.

428223 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #85 of 1871 🔗

Despite the increasing rubbish ATL I’m very thankful for the opportunity to express my views.I have been censored at the Mail and on Peter Hitchens blog.

428548 ▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #86 of 1871 🔗

It’s been stonkingly good recently, in the whole – although I haven’t yet read the first article today. (The emails between Ferguson and the lady who contacted him have been good for the soul) Someone on here over the weekend rationalised their vaccine/snake oil refusal with being part of the ‘control group’, and I shall use this to anyone who taxes me on the subject. Also, how can businesses deny services to unvaccinated people of child-bearing age, who would be mad to risk this intervention?

429615 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Jane G, 2, #87 of 1871 🔗

Oh good tip Jane – I have been worrying about how to position myself re refusal to have vax – so, control group is good idea. I’m not anti-vax, just pro-choice, and I choose not to have this one.

428219 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Annie, 16, #88 of 1871 🔗

As ever there is no room given for scientific discussion on the “vaccine” issue .
They just automatically divide peoples opinions into acceptable and unacceptable .
Anyone would think they don’t want to talk a out it ?

428309 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bill Grates, 13, #89 of 1871 🔗

It’s as if the crisis the government created has a “solution” which must never be viewed with suspicion of any kind. Obviously there is something very very wrong with this gene therapy jab.

428232 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 4, #90 of 1871 🔗

Agree totally, if nothing else we are a broad church.

428292 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Annie, 10, #91 of 1871 🔗

I haven’t read an article on this site in perhaps five months. I am thankful to Toby Young for starting this, but I use it as a message board only.

428437 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 19, #92 of 1871 🔗

Yep bring me your huddled masses, we are lockdown sceptics. We want that to end. The idiocy of thinking this can only be ended by vaccinating everybody is the height of stupidity. All those people over the park yesterday, only the super old have had the jab. Quick prime the hospitals expect a shit load of incoming patients! Oh wait, nothings happened. So why do we need a very expensive, experimental vaccine? Here’s a easy test, open up with no restrictions, no masks, everything open! No mass testing. Now what is the increase in hospitalisation? Not many. Well what a surprise! The fact that three articles ATL mention only getting out of this thanks to the vaccine. Two of the government statements link to how vaccines will have bought down death’s/infections. How the hell can you possibly tell that? So the question still is and has always been, what us an acceptable level of death?

428460 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Annie, 3, #93 of 1871 🔗

are you saying the anti mRNA vaccine jingle just above the line is pro vaccine? I’m confused.

428189 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #94 of 1871 🔗

Good morning sceptics. What time is the clown show on tonight? Not that I will be tuning in but I do get amused when colleagues stay in the office after 5pm to receive their helping of indoctrination.

428190 ▶▶ TC, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #95 of 1871 🔗

People stay at work to watch it?
I would stay at work to avoid it – have to keep my blood pressure under control.

428194 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TC, 28, #96 of 1871 🔗

It genuinely tickles me observing the rituals and practices that go on. The funniest was when everyone was returning from their first jab and laminating their appointment cards like they’d just come off the Nemesis roller coaster and wanted a souvenir mug.

428267 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #97 of 1871 🔗

Don’t forget that awful little boast logo thing the sheeple are starting to stick up on their Facebook pages of “I’ve had the jab”. Smirks of self-satisfaction and pats on the back on their part all round. Well – it’s one quick way for us to identify who definitely wouldn’t get a FB friend request agreed to.

428403 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #98 of 1871 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 There’s nowt queer as folk.

428446 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #99 of 1871 🔗

Oh you have got to get an old t-shirt and after the announcement run around like you have just scored the winner in the last minute of the cup final. Shouting freedom, freedom, hug a few sheepies, slide on your knees and tear your shirt open.
This may be the reason I Don’t work in an office anymore!!

428231 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #100 of 1871 🔗

I’d rather eat worms than watch the false pieties of the Fatberg as he and his priests worships the Pfizer, the Moderna and the holy Astra-Zeneca and announce the coming Church of the Holy Lockdown. Halle-feckin-luiah.

429621 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #101 of 1871 🔗

haven’t been able to stomach watching it for a long time now

428233 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #102 of 1871 🔗

Do what I do and watch pointless.
There’s got to be a joke there somewhere.

428237 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #103 of 1871 🔗

Or The Chase 🙂

428274 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #104 of 1871 🔗

Pointless is pointless.

428381 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PatrickF, #105 of 1871 🔗

Yes, but it’s entertaining (in small doses).

428268 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #106 of 1871 🔗

Thank God I don’t have a telly to watch this abomination. I’m surprised at the amount of people still willing to be brainwashed by all this. Yesterday Mr Bart & I saw a bloke with an army issue rucksack and on it there was a sticker proclaiming he had the vaccine. He didn’t look like he was part of the “vulnerable” category so why he would get the jab was baffling.

Oh well……

428342 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to Tom Blackburn, #107 of 1871 🔗

3.30 I believe

428452 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), #108 of 1871 🔗

Sorry, 3.30 in Parliament and 7pm press conf.

429261 ▶▶ Eddy16, replying to Tom Blackburn, #109 of 1871 🔗

I shall be otherwise engaged at 7pm.

429272 ▶▶ Eddy16, replying to Tom Blackburn, #110 of 1871 🔗

I won’t be watching it.

428193 TC, replying to TC, 27, #111 of 1871 🔗

The Ferguson and reader correspondence is interesting.
It’s the stuff proper journos should have been asking but, of course, they won’t as that’s “off message”

428207 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TC, 46, #112 of 1871 🔗

No, no it’s not, tens of thousands of people have died, hundreds of thousands of lives ruined, millions unemployed, our futures thoroughly fucked, country in massive debt, because of an incompetent physics professor who had no experience or qualifications to even be involved & it’s not the first time he’s been so wrong & destroyed lives.

And all that was said he couldn’t help it, he didn’t mean any malice, fuck right off, he deserves the gas chamber & I’ve got no respect for the shill writing it, more concerned with conspiracy theorists than fake models, what does he think models are if not conspiracy theory? The government needs to shut Ferguson up not Piers Corbyn, Corbyn makes more sense.

428238 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #113 of 1871 🔗

You’d think somebody who had been so catastrophically wrong, so many times, would think maybe I’m not cut out for this. But he just digs deeper.
I think the female correspondent cuts him too much slack, personally.

428416 ▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to disgruntled246, 22, #114 of 1871 🔗

Yes, a bit but she writes so well and is really in command of all her information. I get so angry I can’t write at all.

428431 ▶▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to BertieFox, 10, #115 of 1871 🔗

I agree, I thought she wrote great letters and he didn’t seem to get any of the points at all, or certainly very few!!

428542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to optocarol, 14, #116 of 1871 🔗

Oh I am sure he got them – he also knows anything he commits in writing is gonna end up in the public domain at some point- so of course he distances himself from it all. The man is a sociopath- SAGE is his natural home and yes all his colleagues and friends will protect him because they are ALL culpable in this mess

428411 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #117 of 1871 🔗

I agree.

428629 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #118 of 1871 🔗

for me the buck stops with Boris Johnson. he didn’t have to listen to Ferguson. Boris Johnson is the one who deserves the death penalty.

429193 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #119 of 1871 🔗

Surely they ALL do?!

428198 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 4, #120 of 1871 🔗

“Life is an opportunity, not a threat.” Well said, Mr Johnson. …not!

428448 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to PatrickF, #121 of 1871 🔗

Life’s for living that’s our philosophy! Name dat tune!

428200 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 73, #122 of 1871 🔗

Another regurgitation of tepid MSM articles.Boris would like to release us sooner but he’s stung by criticism that he opened up too soon last year.How can adults believe this crap.
I’ll give you a road map.The government will string us along all summer with piecemeal lifting of restrictions while real cases dwindle.Come Autumn either a new made up variant or an apocalyptic model will give the government the fig leaf it needs to close down again.We are in lockdown until the population are ‘vaccinated’
and only released with a digital passport into a very different world.

428205 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jonathan Palmer, 26, #123 of 1871 🔗

Thanks, J. Couldn’t have put it any better myself. 👍

This bollocks about these are “earliest dates” implies he’ll just move everything further and further back at his leisure.

428339 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ceriain, 20, #124 of 1871 🔗

And our bloody fool MPs will let him.

428338 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #125 of 1871 🔗

Afraid you’re right: very afraid.

429256 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #126 of 1871 🔗

We are in lockdown until the population are ‘vaccinated’

I disagree, we are in lockdown until the population say ‘stop’.

429628 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #127 of 1871 🔗

One of the articles above says that Nipah virus with 75% mortality is the next one down the track coming for us – would imagine by that stage we will all be wearing hazmat suits and carrying our own oxygen supplies just to go to Tesco

428204 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #128 of 1871 🔗

it is a strange way to govern? for some while they have been saying that one of the measures for easing lock-down will be infections, there has then been some feebbck on Twitter and the media about the problems with using that figure given the high number of tests being undertaken and now it says in the news above that infections will not be a criteria! In my view quite rightly, infections numbers should not be used in this way but what a way to decide policy?
That then leaves the criteria of hospitalisations and deaths. Even the BBC news were getting frustrated the other day that no expert would put a figure on what is the acceptable level of deaths before draconian public heal;h interventions are undertaken? Then if you ask the NHS, are you busy? the answer seems to be; nearly overwhelmed, fully overwhelmed or collapsed, asking the NHS if they are busy is about as useful as asking a Farmer if they are happy with the current state of the weather?
So how are they going to assess this? in my view hospitalisations and deaths are now way below the figure to justify draconian public health interventions but how are they going to assess this criteria?

428208 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #129 of 1871 🔗

With, of course, a reminder that these “infections” are nothing of the kind.

428354 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #130 of 1871 🔗

I think this is where they’ve got themselves in a pickle because they know FULL WELL that the current level of deaths is acceptable once you stop inflating the stats.

And the same with the NHS supposedly being overwhelmed – they know that didn’t happen and that the problems with capacity are of their own making.

Plus it’s all moot now that they’re created an ever bigger capacity problem by not treating cancer patients etc. The waiting lists are MUCH MUCH worse than is being touted – they are being deliberately kept down by refusing to put patients on the official referral pathways and instead just keeping their own unofficial lists on Outlook etc.

428486 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #131 of 1871 🔗

And if the government is no longer giving millions of pound to the msm in advertising revenue will they “bite the hand that fed them?” was watching the American news where a left leaning reporter was giving the assistant to the VP an easy ride till he asked will you let kids go back to school as the CDC has said it was safe. He asked the same question 4 times and she would not give a straight answer.

Because we never set out a “safe” level of acceptable deaths because we have never had what Dr Lee calls a grown up conversation about death. We flip and flop around without knowing what our trigger points are. This is simply a government tactic and a classic tactic of abusers. How can I ever please you if I don’t know what’s good or bad? This is going to drag on and on, a weak and ineffectual leader surrounded by yes men. The worse government in history!

428206 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 109, #132 of 1871 🔗

The reader’s email to Neil Ferguson was possibly the best piece I’ve read since this whole manufactured disaster began. Blow after blow, right hook after right hook, it was like watching Mike Tyson in his prime savaging a scrawny little bookworm.

Ferguson’s response was typically arrogant, flimsy and defensive. They really do believe in everything they preach, which is just terrifying given their influence. This is a dangerous, multinational cult, make no mistake.

I do have one light criticism of the reader’s response though. A huge open goal was missed when Pantsdown said “nor do I have any love of lockdown restrictions themselves” – I would have jumped for joy if our reader would have shot back “you don’t need to remind us mate, you ignored them just to play a game of “hide the sausage” with your married tart of a mistress!!”

428209 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Scotty87, 4, #133 of 1871 🔗

He’s a bad lad. Quickly moving up ‘the list’.

428210 ▶▶ TC, replying to Scotty87, 15, #134 of 1871 🔗

I hope this correspondence runs and runs but I’m confident that it won’t for too long: there must be some minders in Imperial who’ll pick up on this and tell him to desist – he’s potentially aiding the enemy by giving useful intelligence (I use the term technically!) of motivations etc but may be proferring info that scientists have been looking for to debate and challenge what is a huge part underpinning government policy with which we all on here disagree.
I can but live in hope!

428213 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to TC, 12, #135 of 1871 🔗

If nothing else, it draws attention to the site. I’m surprised it hasn’t been picked up by MSM yet as you’d think it would shift copy.

428227 ▶▶ hail, replying to Scotty87, 11, #136 of 1871 🔗

Ferguson’s response was typically arrogant, flimsy and defensive. They really do believe in everything they preach, which is just terrifying given their influence. This is a dangerous, multinational cult, make no mistake.

Great appraisal, Scotty87.

Reblogged here:


428253 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Scotty87, 1, #137 of 1871 🔗

Pantsdown and Mike Tyson…

428383 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Scotty87, 10, #138 of 1871 🔗

But it is not even true – he reckoned Western governments couldn’t get away with lockdowns but was surprised when they did.

428502 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Scotty87, 6, #139 of 1871 🔗

Married eco-loon please!

“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

Mike Tyson

428211 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 25, #140 of 1871 🔗

Couldn’t see the comments without logging in , may be just a technical error, may be the start of a crackdown on free speech.

The news themes on here today , it goes from the sublime to the ridiculous.
Another load of hair splitting ping-pong with Ferguson .
But as ever THE real issue goes unaddressed. No one is claiming the likes of Ferguson et al sat around concocting phoney data so the World could be taken over by oligarchs.
The issue is the incremental takeover of our institutions by mega donors and the group think aparachiks who work in them. They all have the same background education and belief systems , which ever institution one looks at the situation is the same . Meanwhile out in the real world no one notices.

2nd up we have the unbelievable story of some wokista in f…g Bali wondering why no one’s engaged these oh so talented shysters for a scripted-reality docu-soap of a bunch of “ordinary” people struggling with covid restrictions in a tropical paradise., very topical. How about we do it with real people in say Blackpool.

428214 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bill Grates, 18, #141 of 1871 🔗

No one is claiming the likes of Ferguson et al sat around concocting phoney data so the World could be taken over by oligarchs.

Aren’t they, I’ve got an open mind on that.

428216 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #142 of 1871 🔗

That sums it up for me too.

428226 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #143 of 1871 🔗

I was being “non controversial” , there are ex torygraph readers here trying to wake up

428212 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #144 of 1871 🔗

If you were a western leader would you admit being scammed by Chinese propaganda?

Xi’s World Pt.3 | Xi’s Infectious Model The Very Opinionated Kate Wand Show.
Virus Mania: Behind The Scenes Dr. Sam Bailey

428247 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Anti_socialist, #145 of 1871 🔗

Thank you for sharing this.

428513 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #146 of 1871 🔗

Dr Sam has been a real star 🌟 . Her videos on the PCR bullshit are easy to understand and nail down how useless they are.

428217 hail, replying to hail, 7, #147 of 1871 🔗

A question: Where are the Anti-Panic / Anti-Lockdown Leaders?

Given the data-based case is overwhelmingly against the Pro-Panic side, on all points, why aren’t there more large-platform, uncompromising Anti-Lockdown voices?

Why does it still primarily fall to relatively small-platform dissidents to squabble over Neil “Doctor Frankenstein” Ferguson, and the like, after all this time?

The noodle-armed nature of the Anti-Lockdown side at top levels is key to understand the entire phenomenon of the past twelve months. What ‘noodle-fied’ their arms?

Why the lack high-profile opinion-leaders for the Corona Anti-Panic side? Peering into “Covid” as social phenomenon


428240 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to hail, 8, #148 of 1871 🔗

This has been the big ,often asked but never answered question of the past year.
The only two options are
1, the suitable candidates are brainwashed/compromised
2, too scared of the repercussions of getting above the parapet with little media/social media support

428259 ▶▶▶ hail, replying to Bill Grates, 6, #149 of 1871 🔗

I propose what may be a third family of explanations (or, if not, then classifiable as a 2-b):

The psychological pressures acting on those who snap out of the Corona-Cult are, I propose, similar for those break out of ties with a typical mind-control-based religious cult. Generally, “cult”-defectors will be frightened and hesitant even when they’ve made a full break, a weakened state certainly making them ineffective as prospective leaders.

This is a psychological state different from the usual one of simply fear of being bad media coverage.

I attempt to develop this idea here,

The Cognitive Dissonance of the Corona-Cult-Defector :


428273 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to hail, 13, #150 of 1871 🔗

I’ve noticed that the lockdownistas and their cheerleaders always use emotive, manipulative and simplistic language and slogans. Plus you have the deluded millenials who have unquestioningly bought into Corbyn and the hard left’s “people before profit” and “lives before the economy” bollocks forgetting that without the economy and profit there would be no NHS and no lives. Hence why the likes of Luke Johnson, Sir Rocco Forte and Simon Dolan – businessmen all who have stuck their heads out to speak out against the lockddown have all been denounced as greedy profiteers who care more about their businesses than public health.

428441 ▶▶▶ hail, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #151 of 1871 🔗

emotive, manipulative and simplistic language and slogans”

All familiar from any religion worth its salt.

428450 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to hail, 6, #152 of 1871 🔗

Yep. This is another new religion.

428491 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to hail, 7, #153 of 1871 🔗

I think at first it was felt important not to show even a bat squeak of a hint of support for Trumpian wrongthink and now it’s too late. individual heroes, Lord Gumption, Lee, Levitt, Yeadon etc. but not a critical mass.

429324 ▶▶▶ hail, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #154 of 1871 🔗

With Trump gone, why doesn’t it change? Or is it changing?

428221 danny, replying to danny, 103, #155 of 1871 🔗

Hate the way that people will rejoice at the “roadmap” today when Boris basically declares that despite rapidly falling numbers however you slice them, lockdown will continue for months.
Two more unnecessary weeks of school being banned.
Two more weeks of technically being arrested for sitting on a bench.
At least a month until an elderly person in a care home can chose ONE family member to hold their hand (but nothing more).
Months more until restaurants and cafes and pubs can let people through their doors.
Most likely no mention of cinemas and theatres at all.
And as for that wholly radical idea of letting somebody from your family into your house?
Maybe late summer.
How gullible and accepting have people become?
This is not a roadmap out, it is just another cruel extension.

428224 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to danny, 35, #156 of 1871 🔗

Totally. And not one of them will say, “But they’ve vaccinated all the elderly and vulnerable. Johnson said it would end when he’d done that.”

428242 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Ceriain, 8, #157 of 1871 🔗

Wish there was an EXACTLY option for liking and not just an up vote or down vote.

428341 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Ceriain, 17, #158 of 1871 🔗

Maybe this was the point of only giving people one dose rather than two in the end – so it can be dragged on interminably since no one will have been “properly” vaccinated.

428225 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to danny, 23, #159 of 1871 🔗

Of course the only people “rejoicing” are the media opinion peddlers and acceptable influencers.
Everyone else knows it’s total BS and just another episode of carry-on lockdown.

428255 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bill Grates, 22, #160 of 1871 🔗

A little freedom over the summer when flu disappears.

Wait until the Fall.

Fergutard with his fake models. Shitty with his fake medicine philosophy.

‘Ahead of the curve’ they will scream. Based on the Fake Data, need to LD in late Sept again. You know, in it together, save the NHS, look her in the eyes etc….

Would not surprise me to see LD 4 in late Sept 2021. With the Sheeple bleating, applauding, crying.

428230 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to danny, 12, #161 of 1871 🔗

It’s just more Bollox on top of all the rest they have subjected us too . No rejoicing here until we get back out of Lockdown completely ( if that ever happens )

428252 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Harry Chara, 12, #162 of 1871 🔗

Agree. There will be no rejoicing here either.
But if he were to appear on TV today and announce a new total lockdown for the next few months, to the casual observer even the media it would be seen as terrible.
So because he phrases it instead as, “we are almost there”, it will undercut any argument we have for complaining, as it will be “we can see the end”.
Yes we can. But it is not the end they mean.

428766 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to danny, 7, #163 of 1871 🔗

I am not sure about lockdown for the next one. There is no doubt this lockdown has nit been anywhere near as well supported as the first. This was because of the fact we had a taste of freedom and nothing happened to the level of deaths. I think after an extended run out even more people will not abide by the rules. The ONLY reason for a phased release is if we “let it rip” and everyone could see it had no impact on infections and hospitalisation their whole house if cards would come tumbling down.

428283 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 22, #164 of 1871 🔗

Agree. I won’t be surprised if there’s no mention of my sector at all – museums & heritage and the sheep-like and supine cowards like Tristam Hunt, Hartwig Fischer, Gabriel Firnaldi, Nicholas Cullinan, et al will just accept the continued restrictions while the rest of us continue to fear for our jobs and future.

I read somewhere that the Metropolitan Museum in New York is considering selling some of their collection to stave off bankruptcy. Is this what the likes of Hunt and Fischer want, to preside over the demise of the institutions they head because they were too cowardly to challenge and fight the government to defend their right to exist and make an honest living?

428589 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #165 of 1871 🔗

Well the billionaires have to find something to spend all our spare money on (now sitting in their pockets) – so a little bit of investment in fine art and fine wine etc etc. Perish the thought they might actually give our money back to us or do something useful.

428651 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 1, #166 of 1871 🔗

That article did mention that the Met are going through their donors and patrons to raise money in order not to resort to any sales of paintings or items in their collection.

429379 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #167 of 1871 🔗

I find it weird how supine the arts sector have been re. this shite. What happened to the rebellious, anarchic artist and musician?

429449 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Woden, 2, #168 of 1871 🔗

Indeed. They have complained more about Brexit entailing difficulties with the bureaucracy of gigs in mainland Europe.

428713 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to danny, 16, #169 of 1871 🔗

And of course, there will be several fearsome new variants to thwart it all, by the end of summer. The government is simply taking the piss, so don’t even blame its, corrupt Bill Gates funded, advisors like Ferguson. Though these people are giving criminal advice, it is what they are paid to do. Ferguson et al as well as government ministers should all end up in jail or perhaps more likely, will face a lynch mob out for retribution.

429171 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to GuyRich, 6, #171 of 1871 🔗

Oh dear, well old Bill did warn us months ago that Pandemic 2 was coming and he should know.

428714 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to danny, 6, #172 of 1871 🔗

And the kneejerk response of the average brainwashed covidian has been: families can meet on March 29 but kids will be in school from March 8 so that’s households mingling isn’t it what’s the point of that then here we go again the cases are bound to rise what part of pandemic don’t they understand this government is effing clueless bleat bleat bleat

428222 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 19, #173 of 1871 🔗

Offer the teachers the vaccine. Watch them decline it in the tens of thousands.

Then what do the unions do?

428236 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ceriain, #174 of 1871 🔗


428249 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #175 of 1871 🔗

The unions have been demanding teachers get moved up the vax priority list, saying teachers aren’t safe from the little sacks of infections they have to share a classroom with.

I’m suggesting that the Regime do as they ask, give them the vaccine; tens of thousands will refuse it, especially women who might want to have their own little sacks of infection someday.

That leads to my question, what will the unions do then to avoid their members having to work?

I am aware that hard working teachers are available.

428378 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ceriain, 1, #176 of 1871 🔗

Thanks for your answer, Ceriain.
Much appreciated.

428239 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ceriain, 7, #177 of 1871 🔗

This is one group I wouldn’t mind being forcibly injected.

428251 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #178 of 1871 🔗

Is there a vaxx to ‘stimulate’ common sense and reality we can inject the teachers with?

428894 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, #179 of 1871 🔗

Hopefully you’ll reconsider this post when you feel better or sober up …

428234 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #180 of 1871 🔗


428275 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Crystal Decanter, #181 of 1871 🔗

I really feel for this lady and her husband. However, she’s wrong in her interpretation of the Jan 21 Moderna press release. It references a Ph1/2 study in Japan only. The VAERS database will cover all use since the vaccine has started being given under EUA.

Japan almost always requires a separate study for use, due to metabolic differences in the asiatic population.

429206 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to sophie123, 3, #182 of 1871 🔗

She is correct to say her husband as well as millions of others are part of an experiment.I understand government wants to protect people from covid but why force the healthy to have a vaccine which has not had enough time to be tested properly. This is why talk of vaccine passports is premature especially when 99% of those under 60 survive covid. Instead of forcing people to be vaccinated open up society and encourage people to look after their health with exercise and vitamin D etc.

428235 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 59, #183 of 1871 🔗

My thought for the day – has anyone else noticed the Great Silence? Where are all those voices of the ones that have chosen to take the Vax or been bullied into taking the Vax – supporting our “Right to Choose”? Why aren’t they saying “Well – though I chose to take the Vax or got bullied into it – I absolutely accept that Vax Apartheid would be wrong. Once we are let back in to places – then so must you be. If you’re kept outside the door – then we will write letters/stand on picketlines/boycott/etc/etc (I won’t bother to specify the etc – I’ll let you guess…). If you CAN’T go in – we WON’T go in”. I’ve been waiting and waiting and waiting and still hear a Great Silence (even from those I have been regarding as friends). Excuse me – friendship means not seeing your friend treated as a leper and kept outside the door, whilst you walk back in.

428243 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to ElizaP, 53, #184 of 1871 🔗

Exactly. I had a very spirited discussion with someone yesterday who looked absolutely horrified when I said I wouldn’t be having the injection. She seemed to think that I, as a business owner, owed it to my customers to be ‘vaccinated’. I told her that if I lose custom because of my stance, then so be it.

428250 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to kh1485, 28, #185 of 1871 🔗

If you want to abort andkill a baby ‘it is my right, my right to choose’. Scream the intolerants.

Don’t want to ingest mercury, phosphates, experimental mRNA tainted with links to aborted fetal cells because the survival rate is 99.7% and the vaxx does not stop transmission, has killed hundreds in the UK and injured thousands and it takes years to see if a vaxx is safe… – well well well. Criminal. Lunatic. Anti-Science. Not your right. You have no choice. You should simply be shot. Scream the Vaxx Fascists.

428280 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FerdIII, 2, #186 of 1871 🔗

I’m not sure how to read your post? Seems to be anti-abortion (so out on two counts then – wrong view/wrong topic for here).

428351 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ElizaP, 6, #187 of 1871 🔗

his point is that the foetus is denied a right to life on the ground that he can not maintain his survival without appropriating someone else’s body for 9 months, -thereby causing them physical pain and discomfort and putting them at a not insubstantial risk of illness and death. whether you agree with it or not, this is a powerful pro-abortion argument. However, if you accept it, then for the sake of consistency you should also accept that a human being who can not maintain their survival without appropriating someone else’s body by forcing a needle into it, also entailing for that person pain, suffering and risk of illness or death, equally has no right to life.

428791 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to ElizaP, 1, #188 of 1871 🔗

The principle of ‘my body my choice’ is common to abortions and to ‘vaccinations’.

428266 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 11, #189 of 1871 🔗

Stand by your guns and remind her you have over a 99% recovery from it so need for a vaccination

428277 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 13, #190 of 1871 🔗

If you lose a lot of the vaxxed – then I’m sure you’d get a lot more of us (unvaxxed) coming in in their place. A better class of customer then LOL than the vax bullies. I know I can think of a place local to me that doesn’t serve my sort of food (shame – as the prices are cheap!) and doesn’t know how to make a flat white coffee (and so I get something rather different when I ask for one) and is less “modern” than I’d like – but I go in there now more often (when it’s open) because I know I won’t be harassed/made to feel unwelcome and will possibly see a friendly face or two. Still wish they’d put some healthy fashionable type food on the menu – but, oh well, I’ll settle for my “(not a) flat white” coffee and alcoholic drinks then.

428290 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 13, #191 of 1871 🔗

Well done for sticking to your guns. Anyone who says the same thing to me will be given short shrift. What is it about this virus that has brought out the bullying and hectoring side of people? Apart from the lack of common sense and logic?

428296 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 42, #192 of 1871 🔗

Thanks. She actually responded that I would be OK because she would be having the injection, thus protecting me! So, as others have said, it’s the ruddy face mask thing all over again but with bells on.

I think we have lost several customers because I have said what I think. I know John P would be aghast, but this goes beyond earning a living, this is a fight for our liberty and I will not be silenced over that. And I hope as ElizaP says below, it will encourage new free-thinking customers to come to the shop. Happy to report that our local group of sceptics is getting bigger by the day!

428301 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to kh1485, 26, #193 of 1871 🔗

Her response is the giveaway that she hasn’t actually taken on board the limitations of the vaccine. She can still catch covid and can still pass it on. It is going to do the square root of naff all towards herd immunity. If somebody wants to have it so that they don’t get such severe symptoms, in the event of them actually getting covid, then fine, but they’re not protecting anybody else.
I know I’m preaching to the converted but still!

428311 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to disgruntled246, 24, #194 of 1871 🔗

Exactly. But they are so bloody brainwashed, whenever you point this out, you are branded a ‘conspiracy theorist’. I let out a hollow laugh when she said “but the government wouldn’t lie to us, would they?”

428313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 9, #195 of 1871 🔗

She needs to read a history book.

428606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to this is my username, 11, #196 of 1871 🔗

Quick and easy – one doesn’t have to go back far – just as far as Tony Bliar (not a mistype) and his dodgy dossier for the Iraq War.

428798 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to ElizaP, 2, #197 of 1871 🔗

And the infamous ‘facts fixed around the policy’ strategy – which seems to have become a permanent fixture.

428305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 24, #198 of 1871 🔗

Agree. I still have visiting your cafe in my bucket list to do when this shit show is over. And agree about the number of sceptics getting bigger by the day; yesterday I posed on here that I didn’t see anyone muzzled or doing social distancing in Epping Forest last Saturday and I silently cheered when I overheard a couple in their 20s voice sceptical views about lockdowns and masks so there is hope.

429658 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to kh1485, #199 of 1871 🔗

lucky you – I’m a lone wolf here – i’d love to meet fellow sceptics IRL

428796 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 3, #200 of 1871 🔗

The ‘vaccinated’ labour under the delusion that they are immune. They are not. They can still catch, pass on, and die of Covid. From a business point of view (thinking risk assessment here), could the (promiscuous?) ‘vaccinated’ be considered more of a health hazard than the non-vaccinated?

428244 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to ElizaP, 16, #201 of 1871 🔗

And i wish people would stop telling me they have had the jib jabber jab,

428285 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to primesinister, 14, #202 of 1871 🔗

I see it as a two-way thing on their part. Virtue signalling “Aren’t I a goodie two shoes?” on the one hand. But I think the main reason for them saying it may well be pressure on the rest of us to do so and they want to work out who they intend to “send to Coventry” for not having it and blow us and our rights.

428633 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to ElizaP, 1, #203 of 1871 🔗

Sounds about right,.

428293 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to primesinister, 10, #204 of 1871 🔗

I’ve gotten that on my Arsebook newsfeed – many of them are retired and live in the middle of nowhere so I suspect a lot of this is not only virtue signalling but also their getting the vaccine was one way of having some human contact. Although why they didn’t just bother to have family and friends over is a bleeding mystery since its cheaper, good for one’s physical and mental health is baffling.

428614 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #205 of 1871 🔗

LOL – also retired and living in the middle of nowhere (sometimes referred to even locally as “The land that time forgot”) and would do without human contact all round sooner than “virtue signal” and risk my health to get it. Roll on when I can afford a car – and blow the 5 miles restriction Dripford has got on us currently.

428318 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to primesinister, 13, #206 of 1871 🔗

They’re like kids with stickers for being a brave boy at the dentist.

428642 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to disgruntled246, #207 of 1871 🔗

I know its very puzzling

428359 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to primesinister, 12, #208 of 1871 🔗

yes, I really don’t want to know, just as I don’t want to know what method of contraceptive they use, or when they last had a bowel movement

428482 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #209 of 1871 🔗

Agree. I had to tell two customers the other day that it was really none of my business how many times they’d been tested or whether they’d had the injection.

428621 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 3, #210 of 1871 🔗

You could reply to that one with saying that peoples health issues are a private matter – but “If you have any nice recipes that would be suitable for me to trial here then do tell please”.

428635 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #211 of 1871 🔗


428748 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to primesinister, 2, #212 of 1871 🔗

i always say in response i wont get any vaccine , and am doing my best to convince others not to, i think it might be working but i better get to work so many more to convince .

428241 DomTaylor, replying to DomTaylor, 30, #213 of 1871 🔗

Professor Ferugssion’s remark ‘I am a bit surprised you point to Brazil as a success story though. And if you highlight Belarus, why not China?’ says it all. He clearly still believes what the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) (with which Imperial College has close links) tells him and no reports of their cover-ups, mendacity or atrocities will change his mind. I believe the term ‘useful idiot’ applies here. The problem of CCP influence in universities is increasingly being recognised: there is a reason Sweden closed it’s Confucius Institutes and the US was doing likewise under the previous administrations. Here, there are also calls (which Boris is resisting) to sanction dealings with the CCP: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55986195 – not a moment too soon in my view.

428245 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DomTaylor, 21, #214 of 1871 🔗

No critical reflection. No attempt to consider lockdown harms – talks about restrictions like they are minor inconveniences. Too fixed in his thinking. Probably on the autistic spectrum. I’m really struggling with this guy spearheading our Coronavirus response.

428248 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #215 of 1871 🔗

Letter’s to Ferguson summarise the fraud and mendacity. A non-IT person ‘modeling’. Next a non-surgeon, performing surgery.

The model fraud and data fraud is astounding. No more than 30 K died from Covid in the UK. CDC in the US has admitted the dead numbers are 90% over-stated. Yet the Fake News still parrots the fake dead totals, nary a word of dissent or interest in confirming the data sources, starting with the changed MCCD procedures. Nothing on the LD dead.

Fergutard needs to be in jail.

428424 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to FerdIII, #216 of 1871 🔗

Who will pay in the end? And who will get his lordship?

428332 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to DomTaylor, 5, #217 of 1871 🔗

Can we just send Fergo on an exchange program to China for a few months.

428333 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to DomTaylor, 11, #218 of 1871 🔗

He tries to say Sweden had way more respiratory deaths this year than usual which is true but they had similar if not better “Covid” deaths per million to the UK. In fact you cannot tell which countries had stringent measures and those that didn’t, if you go on the official published data (itself an exagerration due to the vague attribution criteria for Covid).

His point is that for a particular local metric measures were needed but then fails the test that systematically there was no significant effect. He has done the typical thing of extrapolating micro effects to the macro scale using “ceteres parebus” (All things being equal) without consideration it seems that systems have coupling and limiting processes at the macro scale.

We call these compensation effects – one famous one is road deaths being unaffected and even kept artificially higher by introduction of seatbelts.

He’s wrong. The experiment showed he was wrong but instead he cherry picks one aspect and says “look Sweden was actually way worse”. Their mortality rates are UNCHANGED for fuck’s sake.

Ours are not an order of magnitude worse and not even the worst in the last 20 years.

This is the same mentality that the climate change modellers have when faced with the reality that their models too are simply hypothetical wheezes.

And both of thes groups think their models are fit for policy

428347 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to DomTaylor, 4, #219 of 1871 🔗

Why not China? Hmm, where shall we start?

428444 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to DomTaylor, 10, #220 of 1871 🔗

Alumni fund raising email this morning from the master of my college boasting about divesting from ‘fossil fuel’ and citing WHO advice. Part of my reply.

The WHO is in thrall to CCP and its advice in many areas, not least COVID-19, is hardly impartial. I would much prefer to hear that Xxx and CU in general had cut ties with CCP which is increasing the rate at which it constructs coal fired power stations with few if any emission controls.

For the sake of my granddaughters I would like to hear about measures Xxx is taking to divest from any investments tainted by the Uighur genocide. Alumni in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia and countries affected by the nine-dash line policies of CCP would probably agree.

428246 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 25, #221 of 1871 🔗

Road to Freedom

Roadmaps tell us where to go,
And I suspect we’re lost,
Boris has a plan for us,
To hell with all the costs.

If people die of suicide,
He’ll cover all his tracks,
He won’t tell us the truth,
Or we’d never take his vax.

I fear he knows precisely,
The disaster he’s creating,
As he talks of further measures,
‘Cause the virus is mutating.

His push for vaccinations,
Makes my stomach churn,
I can’t bear to hear his lies,
For he makes my anger burn.

The fear and propaganda,
The censoring of facts,
He’s lying to this nation,
And no one seems to act.

There’s silence in the empty pubs,
Where strategies are planned,
We need to get together,
To help to free our land.

I’m not convinced that freedom,
Will be given us by law,
But we need to take it anyway,
It’s time for us to roar.

Our liberties were stolen,
And we have to take them back,
I don’t care what Boris says today,
His roadmap’s utter c##p.

428264 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Liberty, 1, #222 of 1871 🔗

Hear hear I totally agree

428410 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Liberty, #223 of 1871 🔗

Hey L.A., where have you gone?
Send someone to fetch us we’re in Saskatchewan!

Trigger warnings for Muppet Movie naturally.

428256 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 93, #224 of 1871 🔗

I see more and more evidence lockdown is not going to last much longer whatever Boris does or what SAGE may want. I had two neighbours drop in unannounced yesterday, one of whom has been shielding for months. Neither worse masks, neither had an approved reason to be there. They weren’t even friends, just acquaintances who wanted advice. Both came and sat in my kitchen and Covid was barely mentioned other than me saying, “do come in and sit down, we aren’t bothered about lockdown if you’re not”.

Also over the weekend Derbyshire police set up in the car park of a local retail park and quizzed motorists on their reasons for being out. The abuse they received on social media was very encouraging. When my husband spoke to our elderly neighbour about it – whose wife works for the NHS – he was absolutely scathing about the police. I think they have little idea that they have destroyed policing by consent in this country among the very people who were once the bedrock of their support.

428262 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 26, #225 of 1871 🔗

The roads are busy
Lockdownistan will peter out with a whimper as the proles begin to ignore bit by bit

428303 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Crystal Decanter, 26, #226 of 1871 🔗

We just need some nice weather and watch it crumble…

428291 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 46, #227 of 1871 🔗

I think they have little idea that they have destroyed policing by consent in this country among the very people who were once the bedrock of their support.

You are bang on the money there. The rozzers who have been harassing our customers and us are finding this all hilariously funny. They’re all like modern-day Constable Savages. I didn’t even get an apology yesterday for being targeted for merely sitting down in my own shop.

428400 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 14, #228 of 1871 🔗

Yes, definitely name, rank and number only time. Thanks for resisting, a true hero!

428717 ▶▶▶ houdini, replying to kh1485, 12, #229 of 1871 🔗

We shall remember them long after this nonsense is over .

428833 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to kh1485, 3, #230 of 1871 🔗

The only positive when the money has run out is that they will be surprised to find themselves in the poorhouse for a generation.
That’s what happens after state bankruptcies, see public sector salaries and pensions in Germany from 1945-1980 for a blueprint.

428847 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JayBee, 1, #231 of 1871 🔗

Indeed. They won’t be bloody laughing then.

428358 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 39, #232 of 1871 🔗

Have seen far less compliance over the weekend. I was in Richmond yesterday and the outdoor spaces were packed and cafes were not observing social distancing. Although people were still following the rules about muzzles going into the cafe and supermarkets, there were far less muzzles outdoors than they were a few weeks ago.

I don’t think it has dawned on the police that they’ve lost the respect and trust of the populace and it will take many, many years even decades to win it back.

428257 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 19, #233 of 1871 🔗

Anyone want to place bets on LD 4 commencing late Sept 2021?

You know. Based on the ‘models’. The Fake dead counts. The new ‘variants’ from Madagascar and Turkmenistan. NHS drowning from overwork. etc.

428271 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to FerdIII, 6, #234 of 1871 🔗

Its going to happen Ferd for sure. Covid21. 6 -8 months on from vaccines?

428286 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to FerdIII, 8, #235 of 1871 🔗

Anyone want to place bets on LD 4 commencing late Sept 2021?

It’s inevitable, isn’t it?

Australia will soon be moving into Autumn/Winter; they have locked down their population so hard there’s bound to be a huge flu resurgence. They will blame this on Covid (not the vaccine). Northern hemisphere countries will follow when we get to our Autumn/Winter.

And round and round it will go.

428312 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to FerdIII, 8, #236 of 1871 🔗

There will be a corona virus outbreak in autumn guaranteed, this is when corona viruses do what corona viruses do, whether it is SARS-CoV-2 is a different matter.

428453 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 1, #237 of 1871 🔗

Coronas tend to flare up late winter/spring
The rhinoviruses come first in the autumn – followed by adenos and then coronas – regular as clockwork

428322 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to FerdIII, 1, #238 of 1871 🔗

Schools go back + weather gets colder and people are indoors more. It’s a recipe for an increase in respiratory diseases every year. The big difference this year is – will there be any furlough? No funding no lockdown.

428261 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 14, #239 of 1871 🔗

“ Still a fair amount of time left to spend watching Netflix then”

I don’t find this remotely funny.

428270 ▶▶ hail, replying to Adamb, 6, #240 of 1871 🔗

The countless billions of Lockdown-induced life lost life-years (to wasted time, disrupted development and frayed social ties, unemployment and underemployment and sometimes-bizarre remote-employment, and more, plus the millions of babies-never-born and the actual Lockdown-induced deaths already logged so far)…


…Some good tens of hours per month of Netflix time.


428279 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Adamb, 32, #241 of 1871 🔗

I heard a bloke in the supermarket the other day excitedly talking about how he would be spending the afternoon watching Netflix. I muttered something along the lines of “yes, of course you are”. The manager heard me and asked “are you alright?” So I told him that “no, I am not alright, living as I am in a dystopian nightmare”. Of course, it went completely over his head.

428284 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to kh1485, 14, #242 of 1871 🔗

I’ve noticed this too, when you say things like that the NPCs always stare at you blankly, as if they just can’t process it.

428299 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Poppy, 1, #243 of 1871 🔗

Give me a clue Poppy – what’s NPC stand for?

428304 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #244 of 1871 🔗

Non playing character?? Maybe….??

428308 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #245 of 1871 🔗

People who don’t think for themselves.

428310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #246 of 1871 🔗

As an old RPG player (role playing games) I assume it refers to Non Player Characters – cardboard cannon fodder in other words!

428536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #247 of 1871 🔗

Yes, Orange man bad!

428626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #248 of 1871 🔗

A term which I think came from the computer game “World of warcraft”. The non playing characters were usually characters who had a “shop” if you interact with them they would say “Hi How are you” or “I think this is the wrong place for my shop” and “Be careful out there!” when you close down the dialogue and leave them. They just stand there looking around.

In contrast a playing character would be a game character driven by artificial intelligence and it will try to kill you hard. Using tactics and special abilities to do so.Chasing you for miles, using its buddies to gang up on you.

NPC is a good term for a drone like human who just sticks to the script, saying the same old same old day in day out for ever. They cannon deviate from the script. Their response is hard-coded.

428287 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to kh1485, 8, #249 of 1871 🔗

Hahahaha brilliant. What’s amazing is he is still at the stage of looking forward to Netflix. At the beginning it was kind of fun for a few days but a YEAR IN and this guy still thinks it’s great…wow. No hedonic adaptation for him then…

428777 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Adamb, #250 of 1871 🔗

Funny thing, humour. 🙂

428272 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 2, #251 of 1871 🔗

It’s groundhog day.

428834 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PatrickF, 1, #252 of 1871 🔗

It’s like deja vu all over again.

428276 Cecil B, 5, #253 of 1871 🔗

The fact that the press have been told first tells us everything we need to know about this madman

428278 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 9, #254 of 1871 🔗

Excuse me reminding folks of 6th March which I am suggesting should be ‘resistance day’. Invite friends & family to go in the local supermarket at 9 without masks. Be prepared to video any resistance and threaten them with the 1997 Harassment Act. Then, at 2 pm walk around the local park or beauty spot with a bandana saying “get ’em off”. Invite people, tell them we’ve all worked hard for a year but enough is enough. Never call them sheep or sound holier than them. Keep 3 stats to hand: 2020, 9th most deaths this century; pandemic over last May; 30+ papers say lockdowns don’t work. Please reply with your ideas.

428320 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bungle, 4, #255 of 1871 🔗

There’s another group putting out a flyer on Twitter saying lockdown ends March 8th. I don’t have the link any more, but maybe that would be the date to aim for, since it’s already been publicised?

428382 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to this is my username, 3, #256 of 1871 🔗

Thanks TIMU. 8th is Monday so Saturday 6th makes tremendous sense getting us all in the mood!

428538 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bungle, 2, #257 of 1871 🔗

Yes. Soften things up for the Great Reopening


428282 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #258 of 1871 🔗

The Bernician has issued his Public Notice of Intended Prosecution:


428579 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Basileus, #259 of 1871 🔗

I want to know is this going to happen or are they flying a kite? Do they want to crowd fund the action? Or is ready to go and fully funded?

428665 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bigade, #260 of 1871 🔗

I understand they have the resources they need.

428289 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 20, #261 of 1871 🔗

Reading Ferguson’s email reminded me of a limerick I learned some years ago:

There once was a nymph named Narcissus,
Who thought himself highly delicious,
He stared like a fool,
At his face in a pool.
And his folly today is still with us.

428294 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Basileus, 9, #262 of 1871 🔗

Difference, of course, is that Narcissus was said to be beautiful; Ferguson, on the other hand is one ugly bastard!

428300 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ceriain, 3, #263 of 1871 🔗


428391 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Alex B, #264 of 1871 🔗

Impressive camera to Zoom his ugly mug though.

428295 Hawkins_94, replying to Hawkins_94, 39, #265 of 1871 🔗

Feeling good about today. No vaccine passports mentioned and as deaths start to plummet due to the seasonal nature of the virus the call for them should dissipate.

Yes, our economy and large chunks of our way of life will continue to be in tatters but then what’s new? It wasn’t as if the government were going to take advice from anyone different this time.

I was out for a walk yesterday and there were so many people out and about, care free and seemingly happy. And the only reason outdoor sports haven’t been happening isn’t because of the legislation, it’s because of the weather. I’ll be playing football again very soon.

It’s on individuals to take back what’s theirs – if there’s thousands in the parks and businessess and pubs reopen of their own accord are they really going to be closed down? No. Time to stop looking to our overlords for their consent and make decisions as individuals using common sense, and to support those people as much as possible if they do take a leap of faith as many do on here.

For a brief moment, I’m optimistic for the short term future and think some of our focus should be on preventing this from ever happening ever again, like September! No doubt my opinion will shift in a matter of days but it’s important to enjoy the good days as well as bemoan the many bad ones.

428307 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Hawkins_94, 18, #266 of 1871 🔗

Indeed. My hope is that what will stop this from ever happening again is that lockdowns and restrictions are fundamentally against human nature and ultimately unsustainable in an advanced modern society.

428546 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Poppy, 11, #267 of 1871 🔗

The Coronavirus Act must be repealed

428900 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #268 of 1871 🔗

The real problem is the 1984 Health Act which allows for national emergency powers invoked in response to ‘a severe and imminent threat’ to continue indefinitely as long as the ‘severe and imminent’ threat is re-assessed every 4 weeks (cue overload the NHS, rising cases, rising infections, deadly variants, deadly variants from abroad, etc, etc.) With this, the government can keep this going for as long as they can come up with ‘plausible’ reasons for assessing a ‘severe and imminent’ threat exists.

428315 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Hawkins_94, 24, #269 of 1871 🔗

I’m not as optimistic but I have noticed that this “roadmap” is basically a way of retrospectively giving people “permission” to do the things they’re already doing.

People meeting one other outside for exercise aren’t fasting…let’s give ‘em permission to eat and drink.
Children are meeting in the park to play in the snow… let’s let families meet outside.

If we just took our lives back and started acting normally do you think they’d just give us permission to do so in a few weeks time to make it look like they hadn’t lost control?

428772 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #270 of 1871 🔗

It’s what seemed to happen in Italy.

428352 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Hawkins_94, 13, #271 of 1871 🔗

Pubs will not reopen of their own accord because the landlord would lose his license and in any case brewers can’t produce a brew overnight.
The Police will be brutal in closing down cafes -you know what happened in Manchester.
What will be interesting is if they are so vigorous in their pursuit of burglars and shoplifters when all this is over.

428389 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 27, #272 of 1871 🔗

The Police will be brutal in closing down cafes -you know what happened in Manchester. What will be interesting is if they are so vigorous in their pursuit of burglars and shoplifters when all this is over.

Hence why we should never forgive and never forget.

The next time the police use “cuts”, “austerity” and “racism” as an excuse as to why theft, assault, knife crime, violence against women & children remain usolved and are increasing; it will be our sacred duty to remind them that given they had all that resources to harass and intimidate cafe owners, old people taking a rest or two women having coffee then surely they have more than enough to go after real criminals.

428775 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, 2, #273 of 1871 🔗

I can only think of lorries with pub stuff in them, arranging to be at a specific barn or industrial unit at a given day and time.

Many issues with this, but hard to otherwise break the ‘licence’ threat.

428515 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Hawkins_94, 6, #274 of 1871 🔗

I don’t think we are quite out of the woods yet as regards vaccine passports. In my mother’s DT Business today there is an interview with the head of the IATA who says he is working with governments to get some kind of Travel Pass going so airlines can see proof of Covid vaccinations and test results. He is however the outgoing head and being replaced by Willie Walsh of BA fame. Maybe he will have a different take on how to save the aviation industry.

428297 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 5, #275 of 1871 🔗

Off topic: Anyone heard from Mabel Cow lately?

428329 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to Ceriain, 2, #276 of 1871 🔗

Not in ages, or Rosie

428336 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), 2, #277 of 1871 🔗

Rosie’s fine, S. Two-Six contacted her at her blog.

428657 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 1, #278 of 1871 🔗

yep she can’t remember her LDS login in password.

428330 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ceriain, 1, #279 of 1871 🔗

I wondered this too!

428463 ▶▶ rose, replying to Ceriain, 1, #280 of 1871 🔗

I was going to say that Mabel Cows website is still running. It was last time I looked but I couldn’t find anything just now

428468 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, 1, #281 of 1871 🔗

Found it. bafflecow.com

428475 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, 1, #282 of 1871 🔗

Some good posters on there!

428298 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 15, #283 of 1871 🔗

Jeez,Ferguson is a psycopath,he is joint 1st with handcock now on my shit list. Nasty man!

428419 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #284 of 1871 🔗

He is a psychopath – without doubt – how would you call his friends, colleagues and employers? Because all of them listened to him.

428302 Will, replying to Will, 23, #285 of 1871 🔗

The thing that amazes me about Ferguson is that his arguments really are so weak. All he can say is “earlier and harder” yet the virus has/had peaked, comfortably, ahead of every single lockdown. If lockdown was actually able to stop the virus in its tracks, when does he think measures should have been introduced, in March 2020, to have actually made a difference? Some estimates put the peak of infections in London on the 12th of March when there were next to zero deaths in the UK. 50000 plus attended the Thursday of Cheltenham on that day as they were not concerned about the risk from covid; any attempt to lock down the country would have been ineffective to the point of pointlessness, as Ferguson well knows, hence the “coercive control” minutes from the 22nd of March.

Even if the country had managed to lock down “earlier and harder”, before the virus was seeded, (as implausible as that scenario is) all you would have succeeded in doing was kicking the can down the road into the autumn, as has been seen in the Czech Republic. Honestly I have heard more challenging arguments on Facebook, how does this man enjoy the influence he does? It mystifies me.

428326 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Will, 7, #286 of 1871 🔗

One thing that I would give Ferguson credit for is that he knew back in March 2020 that we were in for a nightmare of alternation (between “new normal” and outright lockdown) that would only end over a year later with mass vaccination.

The politicians lied to us though because they never expected the people to comply if they were told the truth.

428345 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 8, #287 of 1871 🔗

Astonishing how weak Ferguson’s arguments are.

As you say, we know from Simon Woods paper of June 1st that infections decreased before lockdown in the UK, R below 1 if you like.

And if you look at the English hospital death curve you can see that the growth rate starts to decline on around 15th March, so factoring in the 21 day-ish delay between infection and death, that means that by the end of February things were under control and the epidemic was naturally burning out in the community. The growth isn’t exponential it’s declining from February before going negative before lockdown.

Now we can’t say for certain that the curve wouldn’t have changed from February where the growth rate was declining, but if you look at that downward section in March, does it look like that change isn’t already baked in. And of course Michael Levitt saw this, realised from the data from other countries that the curve followed a classic gompertz curve, and contacted Ferguson. But Ferguson ignored the nobel laureate.

428428 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #288 of 1871 🔗

I hope you don’t mind FreeCumbria but I have copied your post for use at a later date. It is quite brilliant!!

428481 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 1, #289 of 1871 🔗

Of course I don’t mind!

428384 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Will, 13, #290 of 1871 🔗

how does this man enjoy the influence he does? It mystifies me.

Michael E Mann of thermageddon hokey shtick fame too (Dr Fraudpants as Mark Steyn calls him).

1. No legitimate evidence shows extreme weather increasing or sea level rise accelerating.
2. No legitimate survey of climate scientists shows anything close to the fabled 97% consensus.
3. All apocalyptic climate predictions by academics have failed.
4. Climate models used to generate alarm have no skill when checked against reliable tropospheric temperatures.
5. The most important argument against climate alarmism is that the proposed solutions are unworkable and dangerous.

As with lockdowns, the unworkable and dangerous solutions are most dangerous to the poor.

428420 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 6, #291 of 1871 🔗

This whole business has fuelled, in me, a growing scepticism around the climate change “consensus”, predicated as it is on modelling.

428561 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 5, #292 of 1871 🔗

how does this man enjoy the influence he does?


428415 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Will, 3, #293 of 1871 🔗

His arguments might be weak but don’t forget the clown swallowed all of them and then created all the mess we are in now.

428306 mikec, replying to mikec, 13, #294 of 1871 🔗

Let’s hope the inquisitors at the ‘lockdown enquiry’ are also willing to be labelled conspiracy theorists when they put pantsdown under pressure. What is it they say, ‘you know you’re directly over the target when the heavy flak appears’. They (Ferguson et al) know the end game is afoot, the next step from the main politicos is the ‘we followed the science’ defence.

428331 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to mikec, 6, #295 of 1871 🔗

Following the science defence reminds of the ” we were only carrying out orders ” defence the Nazis used at Nuremberg.

428564 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #296 of 1871 🔗

Following the séance.

428314 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #297 of 1871 🔗

Encouraging reading –


Posted on 21st February 2021 by The Bernician

R [PUB] v Hancock & Others [2021] | Public Notice of Intended Prosecution





428409 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Basics, 1, #298 of 1871 🔗

They and some many more need to be sent to jail!

428886 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basics, 2, #299 of 1871 🔗
428316 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 17, #300 of 1871 🔗

‘Remember the claims that there would be no second wave and that we were just experiencing a “casedemic”?’

Well, Prof Ferguson, if you consulted ONS and were shown the attached, what would you infer?

Oh, and by the way, we don’t have the update for January 2021 yet because they changed the date of release….but maybe you have it?

428319 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 11, #301 of 1871 🔗

And also what would you infer from this, attached?

428323 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #302 of 1871 🔗

Prof Ferguson…here is your clue to help you with the above: ‘winter’ is a ‘season’…..you know…like the factor you didn’t put in your model

The man is quite clearly living in a parallel universe….the dangers of ultra-specialisation writ large…….more for the independent public inquiry, particularly regarding the lack of breadth of knowledge of SAGE membership

428349 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #303 of 1871 🔗

What gets me Tim is that if I were to produce a prediction/projection/whatever with orders of range magnitude I’d be laughed at.

Typically good practice (as Michael Levitt pointed out too) is the same order of magnitude +/- 20% sometimes a bit more. But not on a scale of 1 to 1000 times.

That theorists don’t pick up on that absurdity and what it implies says all you need to know.

428353 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to mhcp, 4, #304 of 1871 🔗

Bang on! Michael Levitt is a legend, and was even before he started speaking out about this total weird out.

428405 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #305 of 1871 🔗

Stop calling him a professor – he is just a charlatan employed by a spineless leader!

428317 JSmith, replying to JSmith, 41, #306 of 1871 🔗

It’s almost amusing, this idea of being “allowed” to meet a single friend or family member in the park. As I went for a stroll in the park yesterday there were several families playing football, meeting up, not a mask in sight. You could have been forgiven for mistaking it for 2019, except that there were probably more people there than usual. Of course the local council couldn’t have that! So they closed all the car parks of the offending areas and urged people to stay away. Safety first! (Don’t concern yourselves with mental health of course, back to Netflix please).

It’s also funny because I believe they are labouring under the illusion that their restrictions have kept people away from said parks this winter, where really the cold weather is the sole reason in my view, and as soon as it breaks, people are outside in droves. I have been told repeatedly by my pro lockdown friends that the virus is not seasonal and we should be scared to reopen quickly; clearly it is seasonal and yet we are expected to ignore this fact and follow the Science ™. I wonder how many years of observing a rising tide of flu like symptoms in Autumn, followed by a rapid recession of them in warmer Spring will finally convince these fact finders that seasonality may be a potentiality.

On another note, it amazes me we continue to hear Ferguson’s name, he is an utter disgrace and should have disappeared since his rank hypocrisy was laid bare last year. Complete charlatan.

428506 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to JSmith, 8, #307 of 1871 🔗

The attitude of some people to other people being out of doors. Especially the ‘you shouldn’t travel here, leave it for the locals’ brigade. They just want the plebs tramping round their housing estates and leaving the nice leafy places for them to enjoy.

428697 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #308 of 1871 🔗

That’s pretty much many of the smug middle classes in the nutshell – can’t have the riff raff enjoying the same nice green spaces that we do.

428321 Julian, replying to Julian, 75, #309 of 1871 🔗

First sentence of the first article:

“Today is the big day”

Oh for fuck’s sake, just fuck off

What fucking big day?

A big day would be a judgement in a significant court case was due, or when a mass campaign of civil disobedience or mass reopening was due to start, or when a well funded organisation dedicated to redressing a year of lies and distortions was due to launch

But yet another preening press conference from a known liar? Just fuck off. Don’t give him the credit.

428327 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 19, #310 of 1871 🔗

Agree. Barr needs a kick up the arse for posting this pish!

428413 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Julian, 17, #311 of 1871 🔗

Yes – last night in the car hubby started excitedly to say something moronic along the lines of ‘and tomorrow we will hear…..’ And then he stopped and shut the fuck up. Obviously caught a glimpse of the sheer disgust and disbelief on my face and thought best to leave it there.

428324 l835, replying to l835, 19, #312 of 1871 🔗

I’m afraid I don’t share the optimism over the ‘road map’ It will all be subject to ‘new variants’ or the No Help Service being overwhelmed. Complete waste of time.

428337 ▶▶ Julian, replying to l835, 16, #313 of 1871 🔗

I doubt anyone here is optimistic

While the removal of some restrictions will make people’s lives a bit better, there’s really no cause for celebration unless and until as a minimum ALL restrictions and guidance are lifted, and ideally a recognition it has been a huge mistake

I am very concerned that a lot of the more mainstream sceptic individuals and organisations will declare victory when pubs are open again, or some other milestone

428408 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Julian, 6, #314 of 1871 🔗

Totally agree – the recognition that it has all been a catastrophic error and must NEVER happen again is key!

428574 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #315 of 1871 🔗

Catastrophic error Premeditated tyranny.

428374 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to l835, 15, #316 of 1871 🔗

Also in many ways it matters little how fast or slow Johnson’s road map is. Most of the damage has been done.

There is no coming back for much small business, forced to shut down and Sunak will only pour petrol on the fire with the new IRS rules and Company Tax rises. The Conservative Party only works in the interest of it’s big business paymasters, just as the Labour Party acts on the orders of Public Unions. Both are anti Small Business.

What we will get is a bigger black economy, with more working outside the system.

Please those who write the pieces stop using the stage name of the dictator. I don’t think anybody reading or posting on here sees him as any sort of friend.

Really the big damage was done when this scam, was allowed to continue through last summer, leading to the ruinous shutdowns this winter. It could and should have been wrapped up in June 20, with JRS schemes ending then. The government had all summer to expand NHS capacity this winter.

Who is going to invest their time and energy setting up a small business now? When it can be shut at the will of dictators in government.

Finally the lovely Ferguscum. Please supply the evidence the new variant was very much different to the original.

428418 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nottingham69, 9, #317 of 1871 🔗

Exactly. I made a similar point during my training at work to pour cold water over my colleagues still fretting about social distancing.

I reminded them that social distancing will be a moot point given we now have 3 million unemployed and rising and an exponential rise in bankrutpcies. Who then will have the money to visit our sites?

Not to mention that since this is a global problem then we shouldn’t be relying on foreign tourists either.

If and when we reopen and we have no visitors then I won’t be surprised if social distancing goes out of the window and they will be practically begging for people to visit.

428641 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #318 of 1871 🔗

Have definitely come to the conclusion that most people really don’t want to do that tedious little thing called “thinking”. They want to be spoonfed and that’s that – so they can focus their few braincells on a load of pap (eg Netflix) or just on their own personal little lives. They just do not want to think about bigger issues of any description and find out the facts and then sit down and decide what they think about them and what is their own personal opinion. They just look for someone else’s personal opinion to copy – and that’s not just in regard to Lockdown.

428656 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 4, #319 of 1871 🔗

Agree and well said. And as Mr Bart and a friend has suspected, its possible that many of my colleagues have gotten used to sitting at home while still being paid (my work is not allowed to put us on furlough) and are using social distancing as an excuse not to really go back to work.

428325 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 79, #320 of 1871 🔗

So the MSM and its journalists are obsequiously lapping up Johnson’s ‘roadmap’, breathlessly reporting any and every pathetic scrap of information, like we should be grateful for our overlords giving their consent to us being able to meet loved ones, go shopping, send our children to school, get a haircut. Calling it a ‘Big Day’ like it’s some incredible, magnificent event which we should watch eagerly and for which we should be eternally grateful. No. The ‘easing’ is so slow it is basically just a further extension, dressed up as ‘hope’.

It is all political – the overlords are only easing slowly to retroactively make up for how ‘early’ they eased the last lockdown (even though during Lockdown 1, it took almost 3 months for non-essential retail to open and even longer for hospitality – hardly a rapid easing). They clearly have the inevitable enquiry in mind – they are keeping us imprisoned for as long as possible, so they can defend themselves with ‘Well, we did everything we could’. So, lockdowns are just doing something for the sake of doing something, even if causes far more harm than it prevents. The government didn’t u-turn because it eased lockdown too early – it u-turned because it caved to hysterial MSM pressure and SAGE scaremongering. It is one of the weakest governments with which this country has ever been afflicted.

Let the government keep pushing. I am on Reddit which has many American users and lots of them are saying how many of their states are almost fully open now. Sounds blissful. This, from one of the fattest and oldest nations on the planet, two demographics which are right in the firing line for severe illness caused by SARS-CoV-2. Other countries around the world are opening up and as many report on here, people are out and about in droves in the UK and already meeting up in parks and probably indoors as well. People are fed up and every day that this drags on is another day in our favour – another day of indefinite, endless limbo and uncertainty.

The novelty is wearing off now, especially seeing as the government sold the vaccine as the ‘final solution’ and it is quickly becoming apparent that it can’t even be optimistic about that and we still need to abide by restrictions even when the most vulnerable have been vaccinated.

428350 ▶▶ JSmith, replying to Poppy, 40, #321 of 1871 🔗

It’s astonishing isn’t it? We are supposed to be grateful that we can see a lone friend in an outdoor space, as if that is something that can be granted by government. Meanwhile they continue to pursue a roadmap of aggressive vaccination; I still fear for my job and what hoops I will have to jump through in order to simply go to the office. Let alone to have the freedom my passport should normally grant.

Certainly it is not a big day, if anything, it is the smallest of days, timid, anaemic, pathetic, cowardly. The bigger days were over the weekend, where spring reared its glorious head and showed these little men how powerless they are

428547 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JSmith, 13, #322 of 1871 🔗

There are a few routes before jobs are actually on the line. Refuse to engage in medical discussions first off, as is your right. Then, seek whatever exemption you can, medical, mental or otherwise. By that stage there will be legal battles as test cases, nobody will lose their job until that is resolved. I’d say, worst case scenario is 18 months and before you start getting the open threats about no jab no job directly from your employer.

428648 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #323 of 1871 🔗

There are people that have already been unfairly dismissed for this – eg some workers in carehomes. I think, to some extent, it depends a lot on what type of job one has and who the employer is. For instance a government department is a slow and lumbering beast that at least wants to be seen to be doing things properly (“being seen” being the operative words) and one could do the Play for Time tactic for some while in all probability. Then, on the other hand, there’s some people that are arrogant/not very bright and can’t see further than their nose and maybe running a private little business that would (and have) sacked someone first and then been reminded that they should have thought about it later. There really are some people out there that aren’t very bright and don’t have any commonsense or empathy and there are lots of people having to work for employers like that and those people are likely to Sack First and then get whacked round the head about it later.

429917 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #324 of 1871 🔗

This is a sensible approach I think. I’ve never been asked about my medical history at work after twenty plus years. My first response will be to point that out.

428379 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 29, #325 of 1871 🔗

It’s almost like feudalism or sefdom isn’t it? The government being our overlords and expecting us plebs to be grateful for every scrap of “permission” they deem fit and continue to lie and shift the goalposts because they think they can still get away with it.

I have news for them: while there are still enough zombies complying the number of people waking up to this scam is increasing. There is still time to do an Alexander II – end the lockdown, remove all restrictions and go back to the way it was in 2019.

Otherwise if they still continue with this farce then all this will end in tears and violence.

428684 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #326 of 1871 🔗

And where will the retribution be directed, government ministers will likely be a an irresistible target.

428700 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rowan, 4, #327 of 1871 🔗

Exactly. It can turn violent and ugly for them.

Ditto the curtain twitchers and lockdownistas.

428328 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 20, #328 of 1871 🔗

There’s a suggestion that the influenza spike in 2019 in Australia and New Zealand may have been SARS-CoV-2 rather than influenza, which would have been our summer that year. This adds credence to the theory that Europe had the virus in the autumn of 2019. This is despite China not declaring any problem until December 2019. If this the case then
a) the last 12 months have been a total waste of time, effort and heartache
b) the vaccine is an unnecessary evil
c) could explain the age anomaly, why specifically younger people and children are not affected.

428334 ▶▶ hail, replying to p02099003, 1, #329 of 1871 🔗

Do you have a good link on this theory?

428362 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to hail, 2, #330 of 1871 🔗

Unfortunately not, it appears to be a series of musings rather than a concrete hypothesis/theory. The real problem is that it can neither be proved or disproved retrospectively. I will be following this with interest.
However, I have just picked up this link from July 2019 in Auckland NZ. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-times-as-many-aucklanders-suffering-from-flu-like-symptoms/QQQSS6FWUU6VZ6A5JNQSQZYT5A/ .

428443 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to p02099003, 3, #331 of 1871 🔗

Didn’t the French find samples in their sewage system from late 2019 that showed it was already in Paris then? I will try to find the link. Update : thought it was Paris but found this one for Madrid

428447 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to disgruntled246, 3, #332 of 1871 🔗

and this one for Italy
(I’m clearly not very good at remembering countries!)


428724 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #333 of 1871 🔗

I definitely remember a story of a french market worker (I think) having caught the virus in Oct 19 (when they retested samples)

I will see if I can find it.

Edited to add:
Actually December: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52526554

429783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Guy, replying to sophie123, #334 of 1871 🔗

Also I saw an interview on the Highwire with someone who stated that they had detected the virus in old stored blood samples dating back to summer / autumn 2019. The combination of sewage / blood always made me doubt the narrative around the origins.

429697 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to hail, #335 of 1871 🔗

I have seen research, from analysis of waste water treatment, showing the virus was circulating in Spain/Italy in 2019 but unfortunately cannot cite it.

428340 ▶▶ JSmith, replying to p02099003, 12, #336 of 1871 🔗

I can believe this, my overwhelming impression of this whole fiasco is that since the MSM has named and hyped the dread virus, people are mistakenly terrified. Under normal circumstances you’d just get that oh so seasonal phrase “something nasty going around at the moment”.
In fact, during winter 2019 that is precisely what I heard many times over.

428363 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JSmith, 6, #337 of 1871 🔗

I said it many times to my patients in the autumn of 2019.

428367 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to p02099003, 4, #338 of 1871 🔗

It could explain the ‘narrow window’ they came out with to fulfill their longed for agenda’s of ID, vaccine money spinner and controlling travel for their sustainable world

428387 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to p02099003, #339 of 1871 🔗

If the virus had arrived in Europe in autumn 2019, why didn’t it start causing utter havoc until February 2020?

428461 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to GCarty80, #340 of 1871 🔗

Well, it kind of did. Their is some evidence that 2019-20 was building to be a bad “flu” season. My personal experience from December – late Jan, was almost everyone I knew had come down with bad colds/flu, across that period.

428462 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to GCarty80, 5, #341 of 1871 🔗

The MSM picked up on that video of someone falling down in China and the spin that this was someone dropping dead from the virus.

Backed up by a bad flu season in Northern Italy and those videos of army vans allegedly carrying coffins (I have read elsewhere that these images were from southern Italy and were carrying the bodies of failed African migrants who drowned in the Mediterranean Sea), the mass hysteria started.

Irish hospitals were not overwhelmed during the first lockdown – in fact, you had MSM doing an interview with a poor petal of a nurse, stating that she was stressed waiting for the surge (that never happened).

428504 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #342 of 1871 🔗

Leo Varadkar sent out a tweet during May or June to encourage people to come to the hospital s they were so empty

428495 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GCarty80, #343 of 1871 🔗


It does suggest that people were dying of Covid but absolutely no medical professionals recognised it as anything novel. Until they were told to in 2020 and everything was Covid.

428507 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to GCarty80, 3, #344 of 1871 🔗

If you look at the attached graph of admissions to University hospitals of Leicester the all causes respiratory admissions start from September 2019. The SARS-COV-2 positive admissions starts in February/March 2020, with ITU admissions being the lowest line. Compare the admissions for September 2019 to those of September 2020, there’s a significant difference.
Why the delay?
Could it be because there was no testing for SARS-CoV-2 in 2019 as there was as yet no pandemic declared.

Confounding factors:
What isn’t on the graph is the number of ITU admissions, but I do have the data and it wasn’t very many compared with February to April.
The other variable for which I don’t have the data for is the age stratification for the respiratory admissions. However from my own experience of seeing patients in urgent care in 2019 this was the younger age group.

There is a suggestion that 40% of infections were picked up in hospital. A pandemic doesn’t suddenly appear, a virus gains a foothold & spreads through a population until it reaches the most susceptible. This can take weeks, months or even years depending on the virus.

Also, when the pandemic was declared and there was the rabbit in headlights approach adopted by the government, they discharged older people back into the community, introduced testing in hospitals and removed the necessity for autopsy & inquests. At that point general respiratory admissions changed to SARS-CoV-2 admissions based on the test.

This is all an hypothesis based on one NHS trust figures and anecdotal evidence from a single Urgent Care Centre in the same county, so the evidence is sparse and circumstantial.

428528 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to p02099003, 1, #345 of 1871 🔗

Excellent post thank you.

To be clear, you reckon you were seeing patients in late 2019, before any of us knew about covid, who you now think may have had the disease?

428603 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to TJN, 3, #346 of 1871 🔗

We saw a significant number of people who complained of a persistent cough lasting anywhere from 1 to 4 weeks. I had a cough for 6 weeks and a change in taste in November 2019. However, this is a small sample. I was checked for antibodies in April 2020, which came back negative, but that shouldn’t be a surprise as they last around 90 days at most, depending on T cells to reawaken them if necessary.

428909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to p02099003, 1, #347 of 1871 🔗

The idea that covid was around November 2019 just hangs in the balance. Some days I think it was indeed covid I had after Christmas 2019, other days not.

If you’ve subsequently been in contact with people who definitely had covid – which I’m guessing from your profession you have – and you haven’t caught it, it leans credence to the idea that you had it back in November 2019.

Likewise, if covid didn’t do much in your area from March 2020 on, it suggests that it may have passed through previously. Certainly that’s the case here in SW Devon.

428584 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to p02099003, 1, #348 of 1871 🔗

Than you. It puts it all in perspective.

428480 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to p02099003, 1, #349 of 1871 🔗

Just to add, make of this what you will. I had a very bad flu like illness, at the end of July 2019. I had put this down to picking it up in the sea. It wiped me out for a few days and took around 10 days to get back to normal. Over the following winter, I was the only one in my family circle, not to come down with the lurgy.

428517 ▶▶ TJN, replying to p02099003, 2, #350 of 1871 🔗

This idea just won’t go away, and with good reason. I remain of the view that the TJN household probably had covid in late December 2019. Surely we should have got to the bottow of this by now?

And if it was around late 2019, all the modelling by Imperial et al. goes out the window.

It may have been swedenborg who posted an article postulating that covid has two winter peaks – that might explain December and March last winter. (And a further spike soon?)

Edit : always good to hear front-line stories and ideas, genuine ones rather than hype.

428335 Cecil B, 6, #351 of 1871 🔗

Ich bin ein booer”

428344 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #352 of 1871 🔗

I read this today as I’m reading all I can to make an informed choice about the vaccine and noticed they appeared to play down the severe side effects reported on their own website.
I’m sure I read somewhere that adverse effects were 20 times more common than with the flu jab. I wish I could recall where.

428412 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #353 of 1871 🔗

Higher than 20 times. It is difficult to get a true figure as most don’t report side effects. A lot of the data I have been seeing is from the VAERS database the CDC make available online: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

428348 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #354 of 1871 🔗

This will not be over until the British public refuse to obey the NEXT lockdown.

428366 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Ceriain, 14, #355 of 1871 🔗

Stop obeying the current one. I wish J Barr would stop referring to Johnson with chummy references to him as Boris, and generally opining that there are benign intentions behind the slow reversal of LD – the man is responsible for untold damage to the country and the people, he should be referred to with absolute contempt.

428355 DanClarke, 5, #356 of 1871 🔗

Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops,
Weakened by my soulful cries?
Maya Angelou, Still I Rise, seems appropriate these days.

428356 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 7, #357 of 1871 🔗

Does the lockdown not expire on the 31st March, I thought it had an end date. Plus the cv Bill is due for debate again in March.

428414 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Hattie, 1, #358 of 1871 🔗

Which might explain the March 29 date to “allow” rule of 6/2 household mixing

in their warped minds that will equate to end of LD

428440 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Hattie, 1, #359 of 1871 🔗

How long will the UK coronavirus bill last? (dated 26-Mar-20)

“The legislation will be time-limited – for 2 years – and not all of these measures will come into force immediately. The bill allows the 4 UK governments to switch on these new powers when they are needed, and, crucially, to switch them off again once they are no longer necessary, based on the advice of Chief Medical Officers of the 4 nations.

The measures in the coronavirus bill are temporary, proportionate to the threat we face, will only be used when strictly necessary and be in place for as long as required to respond to the situation”

So looks like we are in it until at least Mar 2022 if the government and their advisers consider it proportionate, for which the evidence to date suggests that they do and will continue to do so.

428357 mojo, replying to mojo, 23, #360 of 1871 🔗

Well, Boris is proving he really doesn’t have leadership qualities. No leader should be in hock to one set of data or one set of thinkers. No leader should even be so frightened of making the wrong decision that he makes none at all. Everyone can see this last year has devastated families, friendships and indeed businesses. Everyone knows the cate home scandal coming down the road as well as the shameful increase in other human illnesses that will ‘overwhelm’ a nit fit for purpose Government run NHS in the next few years.

everyone responds positively to an Alpha Leader. Everyone responds negatively to a man in hock to a foreign regime. We left the EU and we are now being punished by those who have already sold our democracy to the EU masters. Our government is mo longer fit for purpose either and should be completely broken up and put out to grass.

428368 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to mojo, 4, #361 of 1871 🔗

Here, here!

428759 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to mojo, #362 of 1871 🔗

everyone responds positively to an Alpha Leader.

Meh. Depends on your definition of ‘Alpha Leader’, I suspect.

428360 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #363 of 1871 🔗

It seems the UK gov have only pursued one of the following options to deal with this virus.

1.Zero Covid. Continue to wreck the economy and increase bail outs, furlough, mass testing/vaccination, mass propaganda campaigns, continue reliance on poor science. Continue trying to beat nature.

2.Open up + Expand healthcare capacity and actually use it. Expand healthcare workforce and volunteer networks and actually use them. Use proven treatments and focus on evidence based medicine.

Anybody now proposing that we continue number 1, without having seriously tried number 2, should have their assets frozen and handed over to help pay for the mess. They should be asked to move to social housing and universal credit, until such time that they see a benefit from their actions.

Let’s see how long their support for number 1 lasts.

428372 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #364 of 1871 🔗

None of these solutions actually address the moral problem that led to this in the first place.

428426 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Noumenon, #365 of 1871 🔗

Well, if we try number 2, then we can debate how we ended up here.

428423 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #366 of 1871 🔗

I’ve always maintained that those who still want more lockdown and restrictions should have their incomes and assets taxed at 100%. Also arrange for a house swap with those trapped in substandard housing and bad areas.

I guatrantee you they will be screaming for an end to lockdown and restrictions faster than you can say “Covid 19”

428430 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #367 of 1871 🔗

Exactly, Fergusons response proves to me, that they are completely out of touch with reality.

428361 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 46, #368 of 1871 🔗

The lockdown as regards the public(unfortunately not business) has been over for months, millions have been seeing friends and family, the cold weather and winter season has only given the impression that people are complying.. now the weather is turning you will see a very different story you watch the fuckers go wild at the first run of good weather, no government fuck or covid wanker will stop this party.. You cannot suppress the human instinct for freedom indefinitely as we are about to witness..

428429 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #369 of 1871 🔗

I hope so. Hattie posted earlier saying that we should all be disobeying the lockdown and I’m very sure that a lot of people are, at least covertly. Refusing to wear a mask and quietly meeting with friends in your own home isn’t much of a public statement of non-compliance – but what else can we do? It needs many, many more of us disobeying.

428364 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #370 of 1871 🔗

Neil Ferguson’s correspondence above demonstrates the complete lack of self awareness and arrogance of this man not to mention, dare I say it, his “autistic” view of humanity.

428370 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #371 of 1871 🔗

Don’t use ‘autistic’ as a slur against these people when they are happy to slap DNR notices on healthy and functioning autistic adults.

Their eagerness and ability to psychologically manipulate others betrays a mindset quite unlike autism.

428373 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Noumenon, 11, #372 of 1871 🔗

Agreed, and besides it’s psychopathic, not autistic.

428425 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Noumenon, 4, #373 of 1871 🔗

I couldn’t think of a term to use hence why I had “autistic” under commas.

The only other term I can think now is “psychotic”

428723 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #374 of 1871 🔗

I understand! I don’t know why exactly people feel the term ‘autistic’ applies to these people. Maybe it’s because of a long (erroneous) association between autism and emotional coldness, increased abilities in fields like science and a desire for a controlled or predicatable environment? The irony is that most autistic people aren’t academically ‘high functioning’ at all and it’s also inaccurate to say they are emotionally cold, in fact, they are often very emotionally intense, it’s just that they don’t express it in the same way as the average person. As for liking a predicable and stable environment it’s hardly totalitarianism and in itself makes no moral judgements, totalitarianism is about manipulation.

The people running the show are more sociopathic and narcissistic.

428868 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Noumenon, #375 of 1871 🔗

Very well said.

428439 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #376 of 1871 🔗

I’m getting increasingly pissed off by people using autism as a slur. Dare I say it, you have no knowledge of this subject.

428473 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #377 of 1871 🔗

I apologise and have already said I coldn’t think of a term hence the quotation marks.

I am happy to be corrected and enlightened but please don’t accuse me of not having knowledge as I have a cousin with severe autism.

428601 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #378 of 1871 🔗

Sorry Bart, I’ve spent nearly a year being angry as hell and have a low threshold some days. I have 2 immediate family members with autism and they struggle very badly with lockdown. One thing they are not is manipulative in any way and both have a very strong sense of natural justice. Routine is important and this constant changing of the rules is destructive.
Why can’t I see grandad?
Why can’t I go to school?
They research the data and decide the rules are all rubbish which leads to
Why why why?
My comment wasn’t really directed at you personally but the world in general.
All the best

428676 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #379 of 1871 🔗

I agree. I’ve lost contact with that cousin and I’m wondering how he’s faring. Mr Bart also has a cousin who has Asperger’s and we’re wondering how she’s coping especially after she lost her job.

It’s really criminal what the government has done to people with disabilities and mental health issues. My depression has returned with a vengenace and there are days when I can’t cope.

And members of the public are encouraged to do the government’s dirty work by harassing those who can’t wear masks and “stay at home.”

All the best Les and let’s hope that this will be over soon.

428484 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #380 of 1871 🔗

As someone who is almost certainly on the spectrum (not diagnosed), I find it odd that my NT family/friends/colleagues are all ardent lockdown supporters but I am the one who is calling this bullshit out.

But then, I deal in evidence and facts, whereas they deal in emotion and hysteria.

428669 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #381 of 1871 🔗

I’ve always find it odd that many people still cling to the hysterical narrative despite all the evidence out there. Makes you wonder why.

I remember chatting to a visitor who is also on the spectrum and is a sceptic. He said that he’s continiuing to call this bollocks out in the hope of waking people up.

428365 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 4, #382 of 1871 🔗

Under the spreading chestnut tree
I sold you and you sold me:
There lie they, and here lie we
Under the spreading chestnut tree.

428394 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Noumenon, #383 of 1871 🔗

“Where the fuck did Monday go?
I’m cold to this pig and pug show
I’m sittin’ in the chestnut tree
Who the fuck’s gonna mess with me?”

428692 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #384 of 1871 🔗

Wanna play conkers?

428369 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 36, #385 of 1871 🔗

This paragraph really wound me up today:

“Come on Boris. The vaccine roll out is going better than anyone could have expected. The weather is good. Foot to the Floor!”

This could have come from the MSM propaganda machine. This man is a criminal, and the experimental “vaccines” are potentially a crime against humanity. Waving a red flag at your readers is not a wise idea.

428422 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #386 of 1871 🔗

On Saturday Mr Barr asserted that there had been an emergency in March 2020, implying that the lockdown measures were justified.

428685 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #387 of 1871 🔗

The write up wound me up too. I feel a “kinship” for the scientist Prof Ferguson… really..? Maybe it’s time Jonathan Barr applies for a job at Imperial College to foster that kinship? The lady writing to Ferguson was on fire, and apparently, she too is a scientist. Hers is the spirit. I miss Toby’s updates. And Will Jones.

428375 norwegian, 19, #388 of 1871 🔗

“Today is the big day. First in the House of Commons then later in a Downing Street Press Conference, Boris is expected to unveil the long-awaited roadmap, which will detail the route out of lockdown.”

Roadmap?! Just remove the restrictions now and repent !

428376 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 8, #389 of 1871 🔗

My goodness. Sounds like we will be locked up for at least another extra few months.
Why is it that no one appears to listen to what I consider reason?
Where is the opposition?

428380 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MFvH, 7, #390 of 1871 🔗

Some listen but may don’t because they have been subjected to what I think must be broadest, deepest and most sustained propaganda campaign in global history

428385 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #391 of 1871 🔗

At 7pm tonight be on your doorstep an boo at the top of your voice

Even if you are the only one. It has to start somewhere

428396 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Cecil B, 12, #392 of 1871 🔗

‘Boo for Boris’ I like that. Will post on Twitter.

428398 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 6, #393 of 1871 🔗

One for the blackboard!

428406 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #394 of 1871 🔗


already exists.

428397 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cecil B, 2, #395 of 1871 🔗

And bang your pots and pans?

428435 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, #396 of 1871 🔗

Might try squealing like a pig.

428667 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to PoshPanic, #397 of 1871 🔗

Sorry – not allowed under lockdown regulations.

428386 BertieFox, replying to BertieFox, 20, #398 of 1871 🔗

Wow! Well done to that lady who write to Neil Ferguson!! What amazing replies!!

428436 ▶▶ coulie45, replying to BertieFox, 4, #399 of 1871 🔗

Yes a very interesting stream of comments from both sides. The fact that Ferguson has chosen to engage with ‘ordinary’ sceptics is particularly interesting. My feeling is that he wants to get his position firmly in the public domain so that inevitable future analyses of the Pandemic cannot ignore it. Whether this will do him any good is quite another question!

428681 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to coulie45, #400 of 1871 🔗

Yes it sounds like he is starting to save his arse. I wonder if the enquiry to federal agencies that has mentioned his name as a Chinese and BG agent has jerked him up a bit too or whether he is just sensing the turning of the tide in public opinion. Either way, he is a criminal and deserves to rot in jail. Or better: GULAG for life.

428390 epythymy, 6, #401 of 1871 🔗

I just wanted to make a comment on the ludicrousness of the “new cases under 1000 per day for lockdown to be lifted” statement being thrown around by government.

The 6th of July last year, middle of summer, saw our lowest number of new cases. 343 cases and 77000 tests done. That’s a positive rate of 0.45%. On the 12/2, the last date at which data is available there were 630,000 tests done. For case numbers to be 999 of 630,000 cases would need to fall to 0.16%. How likely is this to happen? When you factor in false positives? What percentage of the 343 cases seen in July were false positives, I wonder? 0.45% would be in keeping with estimates of the FPR.

428393 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #402 of 1871 🔗

The Bernician: R [PUB] v Hancock & Others [2021] | Public Notice of Intended Prosecution.
Notice served on Wankcock, Witless, Unbalanced and Ferguturd yesterday via e-mail.

This actually sounds quite promising, despite my recent scepticism and the details of this notice posted on his website make good reading: https://www.thebernician.net/r-pub-v-hancock-others-2021-public-notice-of-intended-prosecution/

Is there any mileage in this do you think, my fellow sceptics?

428487 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to HelzBelz, #403 of 1871 🔗

No. He’s was a week away from arresting Hancock in the summer. I think he’s bonkers

428654 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #404 of 1871 🔗

He has succeeded in at least one action against the banks, yes ?

428670 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #405 of 1871 🔗

It was November when he was ‘a week away’ I believe. You must give credit fo the work done in preparing the case file.

Do not be dismissive, but be patient.

428395 Hattie, 9, #406 of 1871 🔗

Going back to January, Johnson insisted that more than 13m of the most vulnerable people could be vaccinated by mid-February, offering a clear escape route from the lockdown. So another lie.

But he said there were many caveats and admitted the strategy could be blown off course if the vaccine programme developed hitches, a new strain of the virus emerged, or people refused to follow lockdown advice. Well, its been going extremely well apparently.
MPs also stated that a review in February should be done in Parliament on whether restrictions should continue – so that seems to have been forgotten by the CRG. And the end date is 31st March, so unless Parliament vote to extend it, then I assume LD legislation no longer applies unless they replace it with new legislation.

428401 isobar, 25, #407 of 1871 🔗

Fierce resistance from DM readers to Edmunds call to ‘jab’ children
‘Sage member calls for children to get the coronavirus jab ‘as fast as we can’ to avoid ‘significant risk of a resurgence’ when country reopens’
Best rated readers comment

STAY AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN 595 upticks 17 downticks


428402 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #408 of 1871 🔗
Society has been shattered. 

It’s what the Govt wanted.

It is up to us how society rebuilds, not them.


428404 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #409 of 1871 🔗

One of the replies to the above tweet:

My business relies on the self catering tourism industry. If we do not reopen until June then we have only been allowed to work for 3 full months out of 15. With minimum support as Council have said ‘We haven’t been forced to closed’


428407 richmond, replying to richmond, 8, #410 of 1871 🔗

Roadmap Day! Hooray!

What is this nonsense? We will be free when we wake up and not before.

428417 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to richmond, 6, #411 of 1871 🔗

There seems to be little point in waiting until 7pm to get excited. All the details are known in advance.

428421 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #412 of 1871 🔗

Oh, believe me, I wasn’t waiting until anything. I saw “Roadmap Day” and moved swiftly on.

428427 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 22, #413 of 1871 🔗

“Every life lost is a tragedy, whatever the cause.”

Obviously Prof. Pantsdown is wrong about a lot of stuff but this is the one thing we are surely all qualified to disagree with him about.

Every life “lost” is NOT a tragedy. By this definition then every birth and life is also a tragedy since they are the ultimate causes of our inevitable deaths. I mitigate my own misfortune of being alive by living as best as possibly can, not necessarily as long as possible (although I used to least try to by exercising and seeking health care!)

I think this is the ultimate philosophical divide – being hardworking, considerate, kind, helpful and avoiding harm to others whilst enjoying your own freedoms is no longer enough. We must live dramatically bleaker lives in every sense so that others can continue to cheat death. It’s a new religion.

428493 ▶▶ Mark, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #414 of 1871 🔗

Absolutely. It’s a commonplace of numerous philosophies and great thinkers’ opinions that quality of life is more important than quantity.

Given the immovable fact of death for every single one of us, what is the sense in describing it as in every case a “tragedy”? What meaning does it leave for the very concept of tragedy? Most deaths are occasions for sadness perhaps even great sadness, for someone, but imo the appropriate response to the inevitability of death is to spend your life coming to terms with it, so that one can address death both in others and in oneself as a mere fact of life, not as necessarily a disastrous tragedy, unless, in fact, it is such by virtue of the particular circumstances of a particular death.

Desperately trying to prolong life at any price is to increase misery and suffering in the world, not to reduce it, as is encouraging the false, harmful and unnecessary view that “every death is a tragedy”.

Ferguson himself has objectively increased human suffering in the world immensely, by his work and his abuse of his abilities to push disastrous, objectively evil policies, politically. But he also does so by pushing this philosophical error.

Worse, perhaps, he applies it selectively and hypocritically so as to push his preferred policies. He clearly does not believe that “every death is a tragedy”, but rather pretends that deaths caused by not following his preferred policies are tragedies while deaths caused by doing what he says should be done are necessary, and seeking to minimise and deny them.

428543 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #415 of 1871 🔗

The actions of this government and its collaborators will not prolonging life for anybody. Nobody is cheating death. The vast majority of us are likely to die earlier as a result of these actions.

We are being forced to live dramatically bleaker lives and die earlier in order to maintain and increase the wealth and power of the ‘oligarchs'(for want of a better word) and gift them absolute control of humanity.

428675 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #416 of 1871 🔗

Yes I’d agree, but aren’t the millions of proles on board with this doing so because they believe that the Gov/scientists are going to “save” their lives?

This is my religion/cult analogy – leaders are in it for the power/control/wealth but the followers ultimately are lead to believe that they’ll attain some kind of immortality/eternal life.

428432 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 21, #417 of 1871 🔗



a. You knowingly failed to disclose that the so called science and data relied upon by the World Health Organisation [WHO], in declaring SARS-CoV-2 to be a worldwide ‘pandemic’ on 11/03/2020, was none other than the discredited Imperial College Model.

b. You knowingly failed to disclose that SARS-CoV-2 was no longer classified as a High Consequence Infectious Disease on 13/03/2020 – before the 1st defendant presented and commended the Coronavirus Bill 2020 to the House of Commons, on the 19th and 23rd of March 2020, respectively.

c. You knowingly failed to disclose that the supposed latest science and data you relied upon to justify a declaration of a Public Health Emergency was Neil Ferguson’s unscientific Imperial College Model; and that it was known by 24/03/2020 at the latest that said model had been wholly discredited, when the New Scientist published the 4th defendant’s admission, before the Parliamentary Committee on Science and Technology, that he had reduced his prediction of 510,000 UK COVID deaths to 20,000, in the event his proposed lockdown policies were not imposed in the UK.

d. You knowingly failed to disclose that the executive agency the 1st defendant controls, Public Health England [PHE], received $500,000 from the US Government to “fast-track the COVID vaccine”, on or around 19/03/2020.

e. You knowingly failed to disclose that multiple WHO approved flu ‘vaccines’ are known to cause fatal adverse events in 377 out of every 100,000 healthy adults injected, whilst ‘influenza’ normally kills around 388 per year. [The ingredients in every UK licensed COVID ‘vaccine’ are believed to be very similar to these 2019-21 mRNA spiked flu ‘vaccines’, in which case they will have comparable mortality rates.]

f. You knowingly failed to disclose that none of the 2019-21 flu and COVID jabs are actually vaccines [they are mRNA treatments or gene therapies], which lays open the floodgates to future civil proceedings for misrepresentation, fraud and damages [irrespective of the purported indemnity granted to ‘vaccine’ companies and those who administer their products in the Coronavirus Act 2020].

g. You knowingly failed to disclose that there is a direct mathematical correlation between the 2020-21 flu and COVID ‘vaccine’ roll-outs in the UK and the deaths which the defendants claim to be COVID deaths during the same period.

h. You knowingly and dishonestly failed to disclose this information, when you had legal obligation to disclose it to Parliament and the British public, and you did so in service of the maximisation of ‘vaccination’ uptake in the UK and the rest of the world, for the purposes of securing their own material gains and those of their accomplices, knowing that the cost to the British People and the economy would be catastrophic.

i. You had a legal obligation to disclose these facts to the British People, on the ground that the 1st defendant, upon the advice of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th defendants, pledged on 01/03/2020, in the UK Government’s COVID-19 Battle Plan, that: “Public safety is our top priority.”


428457 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 1, #418 of 1871 🔗

Will it go anywhere?

428597 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to DanClarke, 2, #419 of 1871 🔗

I doubt it. He’s been trying for ages, I don’t see what is different now.

428771 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, #420 of 1871 🔗

Courts are about 2 years behind.

428433 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #421 of 1871 🔗

This is an important thread by Francis Hoar on his evidence to the House of Lords Lockdown Committee:


428464 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to Basileus, 13, #422 of 1871 🔗

This comment made me laugh:

Hats off to Hancock. He is uniting the British people in a way we haven’t seen in a long time.

Everybody wants him gone.

428434 isobar, replying to isobar, 4, #423 of 1871 🔗

The route out of lockdown – what happens when? From outdoor sports to a pint in the pub… and the potential road blocks that could STILL stand in the way

An interesting snippet from this article noting that Bozo knows that support for a return to restrictions is gone. Guess the polls, well some anyway, have changed.

“Cautious because of what happened in December last year when a short period of loosening caused a huge spike in cases; irreversible because the Prime Minister knows the public appetite for a return of restrictions is gone, so he must tread carefully.”

428442 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to isobar, 9, #424 of 1871 🔗

a short period of loosening caused a huge spike in cases;”

no evidence for this

428459 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to steve_w, #425 of 1871 🔗

I agree; what I was trying to point out was that support for restrictions has gone.

428571 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to steve_w, #426 of 1871 🔗

These goons never heard of winter respiratory season, happens every winter

428455 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to isobar, 4, #427 of 1871 🔗

Why should HE care about ”treading carefully”? He obviously feels he’s fireproof. As does Halfcock and the Unelected Bunch.

I doubt the polls will change much with Mr ‘Yougov’ Zahawi on the scene.

428471 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Banjones, 1, #428 of 1871 🔗

He probably doesn’t care, but as in my reply to Steve, what I was trying to point out was that apparently he knows that support for a return of restrictions has gone.

428555 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Banjones, 4, #429 of 1871 🔗

Maybe the you Gov polls won’t change but judging by the DM best rated comment on the above story (see below) and that on the main story (again see below), an overwhelming majority of DM readers have had enough:

Best rated comment on that article: 713 upticks 28 downticks ,

“We were told that it would be three weeks to flatten the curve. We were told that we would open up by Christmas. We were told that the vaccine would give us back our freedoms. What they told us didnt happen. And we now dont know what to believe.”

The headline of the main story is

‘A recipe for never unlocking’: Tories slam Boris’s four tests as he prepares to announce ALL schools will return on March 8 in new ‘roadmap’ and Rule of Six is back three weeks later – but shops, salons and pubs face waiting MONTHS

Best rated comment: 2000 upticks. 116 downticks

“If you are too scared to leave home then stay at home, let the rest of us get on with life now. We have given up our lives for a year. Vaccines have been rolled out to those lost at risk. It has a 99% survival rate!!!”

428782 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to isobar, #430 of 1871 🔗

Best rated comment (see above) on main DM story now up to almost 5000 upticks versus 248 downticks.

428726 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to isobar, 1, #431 of 1871 🔗

Interesting how the “huge spike in cases” never happened in Italy, Spain, France or Germany. Were they really locked down so much harder than us or could there be something else that happened in the UK in December that caused the spike…

428445 Bart Simpson, 6, #432 of 1871 🔗

I have so many things to do today.
I must slaughter memory to the end,
I need for my soul to turn to stone,
I must once again relearn to live.

The above lines are from Anna Akhmatova’s Requiem written during the height of Stalin’s Great Purges. Relevant then and still is to this day.

428449 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 57, #433 of 1871 🔗

Today’s blackboard:

You think you’re going to be given your freedom back today? Dream on …

Reclaim your liberty!


428458 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, 2, #434 of 1871 🔗

Do you not think the neighbours will think we are howling at the moon?

428467 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steeve, 21, #435 of 1871 🔗

It’s outside my shop .. and if it makes one person think, it’s worth it. And it helps me get my anger across.

428474 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kh1485, 13, #436 of 1871 🔗

Here’s a couple of facts for the lockdownistas to think about:

  • Average age of coronavirus related deaths is 82.4.
  • Life expectancy is 81.
428488 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #437 of 1871 🔗

Ah, but Steve, those are facts, and they don’t like facts! They like cuddly, wuddly emotions.

Anyway, just had my first gimlet-eyed glare through the window, so I’ve rattled someone’s cage already 😉

428577 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to kh1485, 5, #438 of 1871 🔗

Excellent stuff kh 👍

428551 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #439 of 1871 🔗

Fake news
it has been ordained by the Church of Covidia
Grannies live forever

428605 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #440 of 1871 🔗

I think you will find that they are dangerous conspiracy facts Steve. I look forward to the day that you lose 50 social credit points for such comments.

428718 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #441 of 1871 🔗

If he loses enough social credit stabs he’ll be forced to have three extra covid stabs against his will.

428720 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 1, #442 of 1871 🔗


429152 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Katabasis, #443 of 1871 🔗

Just the way we like it in fascist Britain.

428705 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #444 of 1871 🔗

Even when I mention that enough lockdownistas still go “yeah but no but yeah……” and not bother to stop and think.

Unfortunately many are far gone.

428715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #445 of 1871 🔗

Lockdowns work Bart just accept it. All evidence that points in the other direction is misinformation.

428489 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, 6, #446 of 1871 🔗

Brilliant! it’s just my wife is a little worried about me going outside as a lone booer . Still it only takes one dog to bark to start them all barking!

428492 ▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Steeve, 6, #447 of 1871 🔗

Nothing will make my neighbours boo. They think the BBC is the fountain of wisdom and Boris is doing his best.

428451 Mark, 18, #448 of 1871 🔗

Just a couple of Ferguson’s most contemptible lines:

Remember the claims that there would be no second wave and that we were just experiencing a “casedemic” ?”

Leaving aside the mostly semantic debate over whether what we had was a “second wave” or just a winter upsurge in an endemic respiratory virus exacerbated by panic responses, it’s pretty much incontestable that the “casedemic” point was absolutely correct at the time, otherwise hospitalisations and deaths would have increased proportionately, much earlier than they did. Indeed, the main proponent of that argument, Ivor Cummins, regularly predicted a winter upsurge (as usual) to come, because his whole argument was based on the seasonality that Ferguson et al negligently failed to account for.

I do not see myself as a Government cheerleader. Indeed, one of the depressing aspects of the discourse around this pandemic is the politicisation of science .”

The sheer cheek of this man, whose entire life and disastrous career has revolved around and depended upon precisely the politicisation of science!

As for the compliments addressed to him, the likes of Ferguson, who collectively used ad hominem from the beginning to suppress dissent and still do so, dismissing dissenters as uncaring, dangerous and conspiracist, and who abused their politically privileged positions and access to push their disastrous policies, long ago lost any entitlement to the normal presumption of decency. Evil is as evil does, and Ferguson has caused far more harm than many who are regarded as straightforwardly evil. Most political evildoers undoubtedly regard themselves as acting with good intentions. They just disregard suffering caused by their policies as justified or necessary in order to achieve the Greater God that they claim to seek.

Sound familiar, Ferguson?

428454 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 47, #449 of 1871 🔗


 I am Italian: when I read “vaccine passport” the first thing that I think of is “how much will it cost to get a complacent physician to sign you off as vaccinated even if you don’t want to get inoculated?” That’s how we survived for centuries.

428472 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, 12, #450 of 1871 🔗

Yup – plenty of Doctors from the 3rd world in our crumbling NHS

428479 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to swedenborg, 19, #451 of 1871 🔗

Israel, which introduced vaccines passports yesterday, already has a thriving market in forged vaccine passports.

428499 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to swedenborg, 9, #452 of 1871 🔗

In Birmingham (and probably other enriched cities in the UK) every other car is an Uber taxi and usually some make that you can get on disability allowance. I understand that there is a roaring trade in disability certificates, if you attend the right mosque.

429396 ▶▶ Woden, replying to swedenborg, 1, #453 of 1871 🔗

Or Etsy.

428456 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 33, #454 of 1871 🔗

This morning on BBC Breakfast there was a report on so called fly tipping. The BBC pushed the view that it has increased this year. Strangely, they completely forgot to mention that as a lockdown measure the recycling centres had been closed down for months. Apparently the problem is a result of some selfish individuals; nothing to do with the policies the BBC has been pushing.

428496 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #455 of 1871 🔗

as a lockdown measure the recycling centres had been closed down for months

Never understood the closures or even the need at some to book a slot – these recycling centres never used to be busy. These measures lead to fly tipping as well as less recycling. So much for saving the earth (and climate change).

Previously I recycled much more – now I just chuck it in the bin

428509 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #456 of 1871 🔗

Also at our local tip they announced a snap decision to demand masks and turned away all those cars loaded with rubbish whose drivers had no masks (since previously it was not a requirement). Not surprisingly some of that rubbish was downloaded onto the nearby verges by some very angry residents . Faced with the chaos and rubbish strewn everywhere the order was quickly withdrawn , but the rubbish of course is still there on the approaches .
Sometimes you despair at the mentality of people supposedly in charge.

428519 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mikewaite, 5, #457 of 1871 🔗

But face masks are only supposed to be required for situations where it is impossible to maintain two metres distance from other people.

428545 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #458 of 1871 🔗

I have never seen the workers wearing masks at our recycling centre.
They work outdoors amongst filth, germs and bacteria all year round. I would have thought that Coronavirus is the least of their problems.

428646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Margaret, 6, #459 of 1871 🔗

Curiously enough, working in those conditions (like Sewage Treatment Works) is actually to their advantage. They pick up, quite naturally, microscopic doses of all sorts of things, so their immune system swings into action and produces antibodies, T-cells and whatnot and thus they acquire immunities. Workers at Sewage Treatment Works, Farmers and the like are among the healthiest in the country.

428679 ▶▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Margaret, #460 of 1871 🔗

I always wonder how much asbestos and similar particles float around those places.

428788 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Hayes, #461 of 1871 🔗

I experience plenty of people who ignore the distance thing since they wear masks. Especially the last few months.

428520 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mikewaite, 9, #462 of 1871 🔗

Never thought I would say it BUT well done those angry drivers

428757 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mikewaite, 2, #463 of 1871 🔗

Serves the local tip right.

Of course now we have the problem too of face masks littering. Loads of hysteria about plastics and coffee cups in the past but nothing about face masks which are more harmful to the environment.

428787 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #464 of 1871 🔗

I worked in a coffeeshop and I had just noticed far more people coming in with re-usable cups or asking for an alternative. Now it is paper plates, plastic cutlery, all cakes have to be on individual paper plate with clingfilm on, we even wrapped our fruit in clingfilm!
The country in Germany where my sister lives allows primary school children back to school today, but they have to wear surgical masks. One, it is abuse, secondly, Germany and their region, has very much been pushing the “green agenda” for years!!

428578 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #465 of 1871 🔗

BBC R2 last week was reporting a man fined for dumping some garden leaves in public woodland, Fly Tipping Criminal ?

428465 Cotton Wool, replying to Cotton Wool, 3, #466 of 1871 🔗

Have only just seen this story about Israeli drug treatment for Covid. Don’t remember it getting much MSM coverage. An effective treatment would mean less pressure for vax.
https://youtu.be/hJyxp09qY6E&nbsp ;

428470 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cotton Wool, 13, #467 of 1871 🔗

There will be no holding back on the vaccines. The social shaming will begin very soon. They are planning for all adults to be offered a vaccine by end of April. These are so important to the whole plan, and it’s the reason they’ve suppressed alternative treatments which has in itself cost lives.

428494 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to swedenborg, 1, #469 of 1871 🔗

Semsi’s reply on twitter seems the most obvious explanation , that both are in the Northern Hemisphere, compounded perhaps with higher BAME component in USA. (Assuming data is valid of course.)
If so it tends to dispute the Imperial College assertion that there is no seasonality to Covid

428510 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to mikewaite, 4, #470 of 1871 🔗

It shows that nothing we have done, or not done, as politicians or as the public, have made the slightest difference.

So everything the politicians have said and done with regard to lockdowns and masks etc, and everything we have or haven’t done as regards complying or not complying with all their rules, has all been a complete waste of time.

And every single action taken by our police/covid marshalls (what is the difference between those two?) has also achieved not a single solitary damn thing.

428530 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to richmond, 4, #471 of 1871 🔗

Yes that is about it. The only restriction worth persuing was stopping big indoor crowd events. The rest is a total and complete failure.

The Police are an embarrassment. Face muzzles will be the criminals best friend long into the future, these clowns even drive with them on, which has to be anti road safety.

428534 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to richmond, 4, #472 of 1871 🔗

Except lockdown deaths, chronic stress and depression, reduced physical health, terrorism of the public into mania, destruction of small business and culture, sad lonely deaths and destruction of twilight years, exposure to unknown “vaccine” side-effects, critical debt, corruption of science, corruption of the media, destruction of what little community cohesion there was, growth and nurturing of fascism such as BLM and Antifa, censorship of the Internet, etc, etc, etc.

So I’d say they achieved most of their goals.

428505 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #473 of 1871 🔗

Well one problem is : what is the definition of ‘confirmed COVID-19 deaths’? Although that doesn’t answer the question.

Beyond that , there is a smoothed reflection of the expected seasonal pattern of mortality. On a different level, I’ve noticed that similar smoothing happens when biannual deaths are calculated (beyond the effect that might be expected) – but that similarity might easily be coincidence.

428514 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #474 of 1871 🔗

seems to show the virus does what the virus does despite NPIs and that the europeans are a bit more more healthy than the obese carbo munching yanks

428794 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Major Panic, #475 of 1871 🔗

Considering health care system in the US, how many delayed seeking treatment?

428529 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #476 of 1871 🔗

Yet another amazing trick the virus can pull, perfect synchronisation.

428612 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to swedenborg, #477 of 1871 🔗


428478 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #478 of 1871 🔗

Parole will be dependent on a successful ‘vaccine’ rollout

The Pig Dictator will have told uncle Bill that he will monkey gunk as many Brits as possible

This is just the usual fear and threats repackaged

As I have no desire to suffer the same fate as the 1930/40’s German Jews I tell anyone who asks that I have been vaccinated

428498 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 8, #479 of 1871 🔗

The Spanish Inquisition was initially aimed at those who had claimed to convert from Judaism or Islam to Christianity but secretly had not.

428533 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 16, #480 of 1871 🔗

if the Trannies can self identify as women then I can self identify as fully vaccinated
In fact, I an trans-vax

429830 ▶▶▶ Guy, replying to Crystal Decanter, #481 of 1871 🔗


429883 ▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Cecil B, #482 of 1871 🔗

I don’t want to suffer the same fate as the innocent German civilians who lived in cities such as Hamburg and Dresden during the war.

428490 Crystal Decanter, 16, #483 of 1871 🔗

Call in sick…… of Lockdowns

Hit them where it hurts- in the pocket.
That’s the only thing Neo-Liberals understand

If you have a generous sick entitlement @ work, then use it and don’t go back until this nonsense is over

428497 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #484 of 1871 🔗

Why do they want us all vaccinated. Is it a depopulation plan and why have they started with the UK?

428508 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to DanClarke, 12, #485 of 1871 🔗

Possibly… or may be just that they’ve spaffed so much money up the wall acquiring more doses of the poison than we can use, they need to get it into as many dehumanised arms as possible to get rid of it.

428523 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to DanClarke, 8, #486 of 1871 🔗

I am not sure of the reason, however, I am certain that vaccinating everyone is the main purpose for these draconian restrictions and the fear campaign. I don’t believe there is anything specifically designed to harm in the current vaccines (but neither are they particularly safe and definitely not necessary).

428541 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Van Allen, 7, #487 of 1871 🔗

I am inclined to agree that the main reason for the vaccines is the ID, Blair/Ferguson plus their globalist puppets in our government having long been focused on them, and now that they are starting their new gene therapy labs raking in the grants is a big incentive.

428613 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Van Allen, 10, #488 of 1871 🔗

Well – using the same basis I use to assess unsolicited ‘phone calls, would you buy a product from someone who :

  • Bought up billions-worth of stock unseen – for a product that was not in existence
  • Didn’t inspect it, but twisted the arm of the certificating authority to pass it
  • Guaranteed the seller against any claims for the product being faulty
  • Had a large number of salesmen tied into a bonus scheme related to the manufacture’s profits
  • Had spent millions on a dishonest advertising campaign
  • Sent an you expensive test from the same manufacturers to show that you needed the product

Me? Perhaps I take the ‘precautionary principle’ too seriously in such circumstances. But my bank balance hasn’t yet been raided by fictional ‘Nigerians’.

428526 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to DanClarke, 4, #489 of 1871 🔗

Brits have the most in private pension pots….

428563 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 5, #490 of 1871 🔗

They have finished looting the working class and now have the work from home class firmly in their sites

428811 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to DanClarke, 1, #491 of 1871 🔗

The first jab is Uncle Bill’s ‘operating system’. Subsequent jabs are ‘updates’. Once you’ve had the first, I suspect you’ll need more.

428500 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #492 of 1871 🔗

Local news headline

“Edinburgh players run off after police break up 11-a-side football game in park”

This can never in human history be okay. Anyone just passing an eye over the comments take this headline with you and think on it.

Think of football, the history of it, the numbers who have played it, have watched it, have trained for it, have lived for it.

The lads and dads Sunday league which has given so much to so many. The knock about in the park.

Think about it, talk about it.

428643 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #493 of 1871 🔗

There are more footie players than police. Should be straightforward.

428501 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #494 of 1871 🔗

Will Doris’s theme turn today be “Road to nowhere”?

428764 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Smelly Melly, #495 of 1871 🔗

“The road to hell”, or the A15 as it is known around here.

428773 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Smelly Melly, #496 of 1871 🔗

“Boulevard of Broken Dreams”???

428512 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #497 of 1871 🔗

Max Igan in the crowhouse, it’s a good one.

One word of caution, there is a short clip contained that shows a young schoolgirl doing a PCR test on herself in her school class, I can’t verify the authenticity or the country. If it is authentic whoever has sanctioned it deserves to be strung up.


To those of you on the south coast of England this information might be of interest, mentioned by Max in the video


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We are a personal and business cooperative with a fully integrated community structure for the Hastings & Rye constituency aiming to find simple solutions to our problems.

428639 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 1, #498 of 1871 🔗

Very good things, those co-ops !

I understand Hastings & Rye are the ‘thought leaders’ in the area, and are planning a ‘how to’ pack for others.

428518 PWL, replying to PWL, 13, #499 of 1871 🔗

Boris Johnson MUST go to jail.

In the meantime:

Returning The Census Questionnaire To Sender

428531 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PWL, 13, #500 of 1871 🔗

Thanks for the link. I have copied the article below

Returning The Census Questionnaire To Sender

On the day that Boris Johnson tries to impress the country with more sleight of hand, appearing as a good shepherd inviting his flock to volunteer into a “road map” out of the economic blockade (lockdown), this piece is to demonstrate that Boris Johnson, nor any other criminal in UK Government, is not in control of any agenda. Moreover, the law is hereby laid down to the criminals, as an example of the power that every free citizen has in his possession.

Sunday 21st March, 2021, is census day. However, it is a stanchion of the scheme for a population aspiring to liberate itself from the tyrant that is UK Government, and to disempower it so as to bring it to justice (as discussed in the FBEL article , Action To End The Interminable Unlawful Lockdown ), to deny access for UK Government – which means non-cooperation with its agencies that seek to harvest information, which is of course is an essential component in the apparatus of UK Government control.

As such, any paper-based material from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) to the author’s household (which as a general rule is merely ignored), that is sent in regards to the Census 2021 will be explicitly returned to sender. Any ONS foot soldiers (“field officers” – as if they have any authority) who visit the author’s household to “encourage… complet[ion] of the census”, won’t have the door answered to them, primarily (or else sent away thoroughly discouraged themselves).

Needless to say, the author’s household will not be completing any online questionnaire.

Please expect a fuller article on this matter in due course.

428521 Johnsontown, 8, #501 of 1871 🔗

Go tell it on the mountain
Over the hills and everywhere
Go tell it on the mountain
We won’t lock down no more

428522 RickH, 50, #502 of 1871 🔗

In two weeks, on March 8th, you will be able to meet one friend or family member in the park for a coffee or a picnic.”

Thanks a bundle for nothing.

Actually, Doris – we had a lovely few hours and a meal with our family yesterday (6 – not one at a time). We’ll be having a meal with friends later this week, and have been meeting with sane neighbours all along.

So just f. off with your fantasy NPI games.

Go and play in the sandpit where you’ve buried your infantile head.

428525 Will, replying to Will, 1, #503 of 1871 🔗

Quick question for Steve W, or others: the Zoe app seems to have settled at 13,500 new “cases” per day with the total case numbers declining by 3 or 4 thousand. Is that the endemic equilibrium, is it false positives or a combination of both?

428553 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 1, #504 of 1871 🔗

I’ve seen mumblings about vax side effects interfering with the data, apparently they are going to account for that soon but not sure if it’s already happened.

428617 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Will, 2, #505 of 1871 🔗

I know little about it – but why would anyone want an ”app” where they can be monitored? Are there so many people uncaring about their personal privacy?

428776 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Banjones, 1, #506 of 1871 🔗

It’s got its shortcomings, but I’ve been logging since near the start (with a short gap when Tim Spector particularly irritated me with his unscientific nonsense).

Privacy wise, I don’t think it’s too bad.

Having some sort of check on the government figures, which are skewed by the number they test and who they test and how they test, isn’t a bad thing. For example the app showed symptomatic +ves were reducing before the second national lockdown. It’s not an independent check, because of funding etc. And Spector is irritating in his pursuance of beliefs rather than following the scientific method; come to a different view to me by all means but do it scientifically please. But the app does provide data of sorts to challenge the government narrative.

428527 redbirdpete, 13, #507 of 1871 🔗

Anyone imagining the fat liar will tell us anything useful is in a fantasy land.

428532 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 24, #508 of 1871 🔗

A majority of anti-vaxxers in that Melbourne stadium then, Torygraph.
To me, this was simply the first ‘poll’ they couldn’t manipulate, and its result was a stunner.

428557 ▶▶ merlin, replying to JayBee, 7, #509 of 1871 🔗

I would have bet that tennis fans are on the bedwetting end of the population so suggests your typical aussie is full on anti vaxx , conspiracy theorist. Shame we can’t get into australia at the moment.

428608 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JayBee, 5, #510 of 1871 🔗

If you read Sky News Australia (Youtube) comments after pro-vax articles, it’s clear that there are a lot of anti-vaxes out there.

428914 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Banjones, #511 of 1871 🔗

Yup as I mentioned on here yesterday, they have already been caught in the NoJabNoPlay (mandatory vaxxx for school children) a few years ago. They now have a huge anti-vaxx lobby and home Ed is far more common than here.

428537 mwhite, replying to mwhite, 6, #513 of 1871 🔗

Is it cold on that beach in Bali?

428562 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to mwhite, 2, #514 of 1871 🔗

Thats what I wondered too.

428539 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #515 of 1871 🔗

So many older people die after receiving the vaccine but doctors deny this link.

It would be great to have an institution that could fight this

428602 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 1, #516 of 1871 🔗

Not enough objections and fuss have been made concerning the jabbing of the very frail and elderly. Why on earth would any family allow this to happen to their relatives at the very end of their lives? What good could it possibly do? How utterly, wickedly pointless it is.

428540 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 31, #517 of 1871 🔗

So woke up this morning to a text message from the GP inviting me to have the stab and to book it online. Obviously not happening, but what I find interesting is I have only just turned 50, my partner is 61 and he hasn’t heard anything (organised chaos springs to mind). Also what do you guys think would be best…just ignore or do I book a slot and not turn up?

Also on a positive note…..my partner has been a sheep for ages. I’ve gone on and on with facts, statistics, letters, videos, expert views. I thought I was banging my head against a brick wall. BUT recently I’ve noticed a change, and now after once telling me he was going to have the stab because ‘it’s my duty’, he’s now not letting them anywhere near him and has his excuse ready (when the third phase of the trials is complete and the results published). So we are winning slowly!

428550 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #518 of 1871 🔗

Drives me nuts when plumbers etc don’t turn up so I think it’s a bit off to book and not turn up so either ignore or just say no.

428627 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, 4, #519 of 1871 🔗

Really ? Be nice to those planning to murder large numbers of people ?

428638 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JohnB, #520 of 1871 🔗

Come off it “murder large numbers of people” -that’s the sort of comment that makes people think this site is wacko.

428663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to arfurmo, #521 of 1871 🔗

Wacko was a great programme! Killing people is murder; most foul!

429687 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, #522 of 1871 🔗

The front page of the Light newspaper we received today says over a hundred. That’s a large number to me, arfur. How many people you killed ?

428659 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to arfurmo, 3, #523 of 1871 🔗

Not an analogous situation imo. With the plumbers you are the customer and you have deliberately made the effort to get them to come and allocated time for them. With the NHS you are also the customer and you haven’t asked for time/”treatment” in the first place and they’ve gone and acted like salespeople doing unwanted pushing of their wares. So it equates to spam and one just deletes spam. In that position – I’d be inclined to just treat it as spam – it was their fault in the first place for putting out an advert in effect, purporting to be helpful/useful.

428693 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to arfurmo, 1, #524 of 1871 🔗

Surely not turning up for jab isn’t as bad as not turning up for any other appointment! I think it could be a good move. if it is like not turning up for a PCR test and getting sent a positive result, perhaps you might be sent a vaccine passport?

428729 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to arfurmo, #525 of 1871 🔗

Fuck the wankers give them all a seat much shit as possible

428558 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #526 of 1871 🔗

I was thinking about turning up and asking a lot of awkward questions loudly. Or seeing if I can get my bit of paper then passing out.

428573 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 20, #527 of 1871 🔗

Such as:

Patient: Is it safe?
GP: Oh, yes.
P: How do you know?
GP: It’s been approved by the regulator?
P: Approved? Not licensed?
GP: No, but as I said it has been approved.
P: Why not licensed? Is it because the trials have not been completed?
GP: Er, well yes.
P: So no one knows whether it is safe or not?
GP: Millions of people have already had the jab.
P: That no one knows to be safe.

428828 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #528 of 1871 🔗

Turn up, ask them searching questions about the vaccine, side effects etc as per informed consent. If they can’t answer, then you are declining because the informed consent criteria has not been met, if they can answer fully, decline on the basis of, gosh didn’t know it was untrialled, and such awful potential adverse reactions.

428559 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Redundant Pilot, 12, #529 of 1871 🔗

Just ignore it completely.
It took a while for my husband to become sceptical. It’s only been since December that he has came round and finally opened his eyes.

428560 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Redundant Pilot, 15, #530 of 1871 🔗

I would just ignore it. Dont’ waste minutes of your life booking. Not turning up isn’t going to send any sort of message that would be noticed.

428580 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #531 of 1871 🔗

That is wonderful news – I’m so glad your partner has changed his mind. That’s one less thing to worry about! 🙂

As for the text message, I’d just ignore it.

428599 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to this is my username, 8, #532 of 1871 🔗

Right, am going to ignore it.

Interestingly just after I posted my original comment, he got a text message inviting him for the stab. He’s going to ignore it too.

He is not quite a sceptic, but he’s listening now which means a lot to me.

This though shows the stigma already attached to this bollocks…..he doesn’t want anyone to know he hasn’t had the jab, so is going to lie if asked. He never is one to stand up for anything but I said to him don’t say anything, it’s none of their damn business.

428609 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #533 of 1871 🔗

Yes, it’s a private matter. I don’t understand why people think they even have the right to ask. It’s like asking how people voted – that’s private too!

428664 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to this is my username, 3, #534 of 1871 🔗

Good point. Or one could go onto more personal matters and ask them when the last time was that they had sex and just how many people they’ve been with. A lot would soon tell you where to get off and it was none of your business if you asked that…

428662 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #535 of 1871 🔗

Well you got him part way there. But he does need to have the courage of his convictions and not lie. Other people that have decided not to have it need to know that there are those of us standing with them – to help reinforce their feelings, rather than having them feeling isolated and in the minority for refusing the vax (when, for all we know, those of us not wanting it may constitute at least a pretty sizeable majority – at least in the lower age ranges). Don’t forget the agegroups they’ve jabbed to date are basically the more obedient age groups. Now they are coming down to the age groups that grew up in a different era.

428594 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #536 of 1871 🔗

I’ve had the same problem. But I recognised early on that it was going to ruin the excellent relationship we’ve always had. So, yes, I do send the occasional informative piece via email so we needn’t discuss it. I don’t know if they all get read – but I now subscribe to the view ” Least said, soonest mended’ ‘.
And as I believe it’s up to the individual whether or not they get jabbed, I can’t in all conscience put any more pressure on.

428701 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #537 of 1871 🔗

You don’t necessarily have to ignore, you can just say you are following Government advice, which is to act as if, so as you are required to pretend you have the virus, you won’t be attending.

428725 ▶▶ Janice, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #538 of 1871 🔗

I’m 62 and got a text on Saturday which I ignored. Have since had one on Sunday and another one this morning. At what point does this become harassment and are the any brave solicitors out there who would take it on?

429708 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Janice, #539 of 1871 🔗

To allege it’s harassment, I think you need to ask them to stop. If they continue regardless, you have a case.

Mind you, Chris Spivey was prosecuted for harassment after contacting somebody once. Unbelievable.

428800 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Redundant Pilot, #540 of 1871 🔗

I would decline it.
Not turning up means they have to throw it in the bin, and do you really want to contribute, even very little, in wasting any more money on this?

428544 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 12, #541 of 1871 🔗

Whatever else one might think, but keeping golf courses&co closed during March is just idiotic, draconian, sadistic and counterproductive to peoples general health And to the Covid spread, as golfers&co simply resort to other activities rather than stayin at home.
Even incidence fanatic German MPs grasped that and opened up at once.

428554 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to JayBee, 3, #542 of 1871 🔗

They closed outdoor archery ranges too, even though all of them took steps for social distancing.

428576 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JayBee, 9, #543 of 1871 🔗

I am personally unaffected by the golf issue. But, of course, that is true of everyone in terms of certain activities.

The main issue is simply the supreme idiocy of what is happening across the range of social, cultural and sporting activities.

I can also foresee an attempt, even when things open up, to keep people wearing subservient masks.

428587 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 6, #544 of 1871 🔗

I’m not allowed to play tennis – even though you actually don’t get close to your opponent on a tennis court, in case these rule-makers haven’t noticed. Don’t these ignorant plonkers have any real-life experience?

I’ve just heard from friends in Cyprus – they’ve had quite draconian rules, and curfews, but they’re allowed to play tennis DOUBLES now! Wow!

428628 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Banjones, 10, #545 of 1871 🔗

I can’t escape the feeling that too many of these restrictions are motivated by sheer spite. Like the councils who shut playgrounds and skate parks because god forbid children should be outside getting exercise, fresh air and Vitamin D.

428645 ▶▶▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #546 of 1871 🔗

My local skate park is fenced off, as is the outside workout area with those machines which are popular now in parks. However, the childrens playground right next to it is completely open where people can climb, slide, swing all on the same equipment. Go figure. Its as if they dont want people to exercise & keep fit.

428655 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #547 of 1871 🔗

“I can also foresee an attempt, even when things open up, to keep people wearing subservient masks.” I fully expect mask mandates to remain forever. They are considered zero-cost.

428658 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, #548 of 1871 🔗

Zero cost and huge profits

428549 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #549 of 1871 🔗

This is the kind of nonsense being incorporated into the Zoe app. Imagine going to your GP pre-2020 and complaining of something like this, claiming that it was due to the flu you had two months ago…

I have been experiencing a weird sensation in my nose like it’s too fresh and needs blowing but it’s totally dry! I had covid in December 2020. Nowhere to report this on the app! I also think it is linked to loss of smell and taste and still present now.

Too fresh??

428552 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #550 of 1871 🔗

Its like hypochondriac’s never existed before

428556 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #551 of 1871 🔗

Piles are now a sign of Covid-19 and will henceforth be known as SARS-GRAPES

428566 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #552 of 1871 🔗

No shit!

428565 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #553 of 1871 🔗

Nose too fresh – wtf.

428672 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #554 of 1871 🔗

“My nose feels too young for me now. Young and fresh you know? It feels like it’s in its early twenties even though I’m well into my sixties.” Said Margaret from Dunton Bassett

428814 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #555 of 1871 🔗

It wouldn’t be down to having swabs stuck up your nose on a regular basis – that delicate nasal cavity that isn’t intended for such abuse.

428569 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 26, #556 of 1871 🔗

I’m a Telegraph subscriber, although not for much longer. Their comments sections used to be filled with a decent smattering of cynics and sceptics. I can’t help but notice now they are full of sycophants, mainly to the vaccine cause. I suspect many of the ”commentators” are plants. Very worrying stuff.

428572 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bigade, 6, #557 of 1871 🔗

I agree paid msm bots

428575 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bigade, 13, #558 of 1871 🔗

Yes, I cancelled my subscription at the end of January. I’ve been getting more and more sick of their failure to report professionally – and of their second rate hacks. As you say, the comments sections used to be worth reading – so, yes, they did seem to be becoming increasingly ‘plant-like’. With about the same IQ as plants too.

428695 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bigade, 4, #559 of 1871 🔗

Great! Vote with your feet

428570 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 17, #560 of 1871 🔗

Seems like our positive reviews on Arsebook have been removed. These bastards just don’t give up.

Hope those other persecuted cafe owners, Kate and Luc, get justice today.

428582 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to kh1485, 3, #561 of 1871 🔗

Seriously? On what grounds can they do that?

428590 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), 5, #562 of 1871 🔗

Yes, not sure. And these weren’t even reviews about us being sceptics. We’re going to put a note on our AB page to alert people to what is going on – but then, that will probably get removed also.

428591 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to kh1485, 1, #563 of 1871 🔗

The reviews still seem to be there but their effect on the ratings removed?

428596 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), 4, #564 of 1871 🔗

There are three there atm but we did have around ten which bumped up the overall rating. Not sure what happened to the other 7 ….

428822 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 1, #565 of 1871 🔗

Just left a review on FB although I sadly never been to yours. It is years since I have been to SF. Hopefully it will stay up as I mentioned the park and benches.

428838 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, #566 of 1871 🔗

That’s really kind, thank you.

428581 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 17, #567 of 1871 🔗


Irish people are absolute NIMBYs at the best of times, but this one takes the biscuit.

Residents objecting to a cycle lane because it doesn’t allow for social distancing.

We have reached the point that the world needs to split into lockdown and non lockdown countries.

428585 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #568 of 1871 🔗

Human beings have switched off their heart and brains and turned into moronic robots.

428595 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #569 of 1871 🔗

They were never switched on in the first place

428583 Terry, 8, #570 of 1871 🔗

Well done to Professor Ferguson for responding to your contributors’ challenge, even if it is largely defensive. Sadly what he does not say is that he and his colleagues ever get such challenges from government, so one must assume they do not.

428586 frankfrankly, 14, #571 of 1871 🔗

Interesting details from the Ferguson correspondence. But one thing stands out from all the rest, which should not distract us. Prof. Ferguson, and indeed all the modelling teams, assume the virus spreads exponentially and do not vary this in their modelling. But this is unlike any kind of modelling I know. A model is run with different scenarios and variables-the best analogy I can think of is a computer game such as Age of Empires in which you can change the scenarios and introduce peace, war, plague, foreign intervention etc. Plus any proper scientist is always hungry for new data and also at least partly wants to be proved wrong. Otherwise all you get is circular reasoning. The refusal to run scenarios with seasonality and the Swedish, Jutland or Florida observed real-time data is very odd. Whatever Prof. F is doing, it isn’t modelling.

428592 merlin, replying to merlin, 10, #573 of 1871 🔗

I have seen many comments on here where the partner or family member of the commenter is brainwashed by the covid psy op.
I am afraid no politician or mad scientist will let us off the hook because lockdownsceptics have put forward brilliant and irrefutable arguments against lockdowns if the same lockdownsceptics cannot convince those that live under the same roof as them.

428616 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to merlin, 6, #574 of 1871 🔗

Not sure it’s the roof one lives under. More likely innate psychological makeup, resistance to authority, gut instinct, and personal integrity

It’s not about convincing, more of a psychological healing that is needed.

428632 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to JohnB, 1, #575 of 1871 🔗

Can’t argue against psychological healing.

428634 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, 2, #576 of 1871 🔗

Yes – I’m afraid that if anyone thinks it’s simply a problem of ‘convincing’ people with ‘irrefutable arguments’, then they’ve really not been paying attention – or are living in relative isolation.

428630 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to merlin, 12, #577 of 1871 🔗

I “revealed” to family ON Saturday evening as we gathered for a good drink, illegally, that I’ve been using Vitamin D supplements since September. I’m a conspiracy theorist to them. That’s how difficult it is. The whole burden is on me to convince them of the whole. They want it spoon fed, and at this point, I don’t think I have the ability to do that

428649 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #578 of 1871 🔗

I convinced my mum to give sky news a break for a month, this seems to have broken the covid spell for her. But I have to admit , I have just cut out the family members and friends who simply refuse to consider alternative to mainstream narrative.

428707 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to merlin, #579 of 1871 🔗

Have you ever been married Merlin?

428593 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 15, #580 of 1871 🔗

I would start by asking whether you really think I and my colleagues are unaware of the social and economic consequences of societal restrictions?

Um, yes?

428636 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mattghg, 6, #581 of 1871 🔗

Or worse – you choose to simply ignore the damage because it contradicts an unscientific conviction.

428652 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #582 of 1871 🔗

Yes I think this is much more likely to be true than him being unaware

It’s also possible he knows he was wrong but he’s doubling down to cover up. The same goes for politicians. The extent to which they are knowingly lying to us or to themselves is hard to gauge. I don’t know anyone that powerful to have any insight into that.

428666 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to mattghg, 4, #583 of 1871 🔗

This was his attempt at justifying the restrictions in April


Can’t bear to rewatch it, but it’s very shallow and unimpressive

428598 Happy in the haze, replying to Happy in the haze, 18, #584 of 1871 🔗

Why can’t someone in the media ask this question?
The demographic where 99% of Covid related deaths occur have now been vaccinated.
The vaccines have today been reported to reduce hospitalisation by 80%-90%.
What is the reason for any continued lockdown measures when it is known that lockdowns themselves kill – and kill a much younger demographic than Covid?
It just seems such a glaring open goal for a journalist to have a proper ‘gotcha’ moment. Why do none of them take it?
(rhetorical – they’re not real ‘journalists’ are they…)

428650 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Happy in the haze, #585 of 1871 🔗

Grow up please, there is no vaccine.Whatever has been reported, has been reported by MSM. Stop listening to their lies.

428671 ▶▶▶ Happy in the haze, replying to Bungle, 9, #586 of 1871 🔗

Whether they’re lies or not is irrelevant – my point is that the vaccine story that’s now being disseminated by the govt/msm has given rise to a basic logic and maths argument that should be used against them:-
“Your own numbers say there is now no need to ‘save the NHS’. Your own numbers say lockdowns kill. Why are there still lockdowns?”
The more basic / glaringly obvious the argument against them the better – it may actually give a few more people that lightbulb ‘duh’ moment that is needed.

428673 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Bungle, 9, #587 of 1871 🔗

Way to miss the point. The above poster is using the government’s own premises and, rightly, concluding that following them to their logical conclusion should mean an immediate lifting of all restrictions. They then question why no-one in the media is putting this to the government.

428689 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Happy in the haze, 4, #588 of 1871 🔗

Agree. which is why when you see GP’s like Dr Kanani repeatedly saying the vaccine protects an entire community, then quite obviously they are lying – else why is the whole community still under such restrictive measures? I’ve asked the GMC if what she is saying is appropriate. Certainly the last 2 months she has done enough interviews & tweeting; shame the NHS is so cripplingly overwhelmed.

428706 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Happy in the haze, 8, #589 of 1871 🔗

The journalists have been comprised due to the newspapers being bought off.The press conferences are all staged so a really searching question with a follow up would not be allowed.

428768 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Happy in the haze, 7, #590 of 1871 🔗

I think they have been bought. Print and TV advertising (which funds them) are at an all time low, in fact the Government is the biggest advertiser now? The BBC won’t bite the hand that feeds it. All other online, dissenting journalists are smeared and discredited as conspiracy theorists peddling fake news.

428600 caravaggio57, 5, #591 of 1871 🔗

The updated edition of a recent biography hits the bookshelves soon.

428604 Will, replying to Will, #592 of 1871 🔗

A while ago someone posted a link for the covid numbers in respective hospitals. I am trying to find the information on Somerset but all I get is “journalistic” fluff.

428611 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Will, 3, #593 of 1871 🔗

The weekly and monthly publications here have data by hospital trust


428615 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Will, 3, #594 of 1871 🔗

Submit a FOI request. Ask how many SARS-CoV-2 positive patients have been admitted each week from March 1st 2020 to 31st January 2021.

428624 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 1, #595 of 1871 🔗

Check Adapnation.io

428607 JohnB, 3, #597 of 1871 🔗

Assume people have seen this ? NY gym owner, ex-marine, refused to close his gym, fined $15000.


428610 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 9, #598 of 1871 🔗

Who is taking the plunge then to watch the blond buffoon and report back findings?

428619 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JHUNTZ, 15, #599 of 1871 🔗

fuck that – i’m going round to a mates for some bevvies and a catch up

428622 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 15, #600 of 1871 🔗

Not me. I’ll be busy removing the skin from my forearms with a cheesegrater.

428637 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #601 of 1871 🔗

Nope, watching Schitts Creek on Netflix

428640 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #602 of 1871 🔗

If anyone on here still has a TV set hopefully they will take one for the team

428734 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #603 of 1871 🔗

You have to be joking!

428668 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #604 of 1871 🔗

Only morons watch Doris and wear masks.

428680 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #605 of 1871 🔗

I’ve not watched a single daily briefing but I do bit by subjecting myself to BBC R4 Today Programme and Jeremy Vine on R2, for research purposes only.

428618 JayBee, 16, #606 of 1871 🔗
428620 Binra, 15, #607 of 1871 🔗

Complain, appeal or rationalise your ‘understanding’ as if it it has traction over unreasoning fear-driven hate, but the active intent is the reversal of the Law based on freedom in innocence and right until found guilty of crime, to law based on guilt – even to definitions of sickness, contagion, planet-icide and ‘systemic hate crime’.
Self-definitions and core beliefs are the most fundamental freedom of our hearts and minds. If you accept a loveless self, you shall experience a loveless (hateful) world.

The whole thing runs the destructive use of guilt and fear as a source of power and identity over life and over others – as its denial and replacement with coercions of deceit, by which to rule out joy and peace and light of love in action – such is life!

That China has been used to model technocratic tyranny and has now been imposed in many nations globally is a symptom of global and financial corruptions in all areas of pubic and corporate life. The cover stories for such corruption are the driving narratives that are pushed into the minds of the many as the masking for a desperate evasion of Disclosure – so as to buy more time for the persistence of destructive and toxic thought, word and behaviours.

The exposure of a false choice that brings sick and evil outcomes is the opportunity to relinquish, disinvest and release it in our self. ‘They’ have trillion dollar means of coercion and deceit, and you have a still small voice for truth as the basis for all else – that is as loud as your willingness to hear it.

Sin (the persistence of self-illusion at cost of awareness of truth, and as active attack on truth), is driving and driven to hate and deny the Life, while framing its own replacement of hollow masking ‘virtue’ as an appeal to truth, set in lies.

The answer is to align in truth of Life – not to join in the baited frame of an insanity from which no escape is possible of intended. Be sure that the underlying pattern of ‘guilted fear and control, seeks your death, over which to raise its ‘sightless and heartless’ vengeance of hate set as ‘power’ over all that lives, in fantasies of creating life to its own image.

Love the Life and disinvest of the sin of masking deceits of a hate and fear given power as priority over all else. Love – or the willingness for the conditions by which love is given welcome – is first in your heart and mind, but if given to lies, will sacrifice the Living to feed and protect their claim to your allegiance.

The bully will not leave you in peace while you feed it. But will feed you a false peace under carrot and stick that NEVER comes and always delivers unto evil. How could it not?

428623 BeBopRockSteady, 16, #608 of 1871 🔗

Remember the WHO saying to now use PCR correctly and look for symptoms?


Irish hospital cut covid patients by over 50% overnight by doing this.

Things that make you go “WTF have we done?”

428631 pub with no beer, replying to pub with no beer, 5, #609 of 1871 🔗

the roadmap or route 666?
If the government believe that the jabs will remove CV completely, what happens from the new season in October? will they stop reporting daily deaths propaganda? and “cases” propaganda? I wonder if flu will be reported again, as I do not think doctors will diagnose cases as CV for ever, or maybe that is wishful thinking.

428678 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to pub with no beer, 2, #610 of 1871 🔗

I imagine that bozo will need to declare his Churchillian Victory over Covid at some stage; remind me, when is the next GE ?

428644 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 64, #611 of 1871 🔗

I’ve got my own roadmap:
1) Everybody, as you were, circa 2019.
2) If you feel under the weather, go to bed or watch Netflix until you feel better, then return to 1). If you feel worse see a doctor.
3) If you feel particularly worried/vulnerable to the normal seasonal respiratory viruses, then be extra careful if you want to, or not if you don’t. You can go to the shops in a spacesuit if you want, I really don’t care.
4) All mathematical modelling to be made a criminal offence punishable by prison sentences (minimum 10 years obvs). Historic crimes of modelling will be subject to community based punishment – modellers unlikely to be granted access to shops, pubs, restaurants, bars, cinemas, theatres, airplanes etc. hence stuck in a virtual prison of their own making for life not dissimilar to what they enabled on the unsuspecting public in 2020/early 2021. Ditto most current politicians (see point 5).
5) Dissolve parliament and build a new one based on honest citizens from a cross section of society, none of this left v right stuff, no whips or voting along party lines. Only a tiny number of the old parliamentarians will be allowed to remain (you know who they are). Note: I know nothing of politics, better suggestions welcome).
6) A few select players will need stronger punishment for their crimes against humanity (suggestions welcome here also, you know who they are).
7) Pharmaceutical companies will bear the responsibility of all risks associated with their products, thus pushing the burden of safety back onto their shoulders which is the only place it should be.

Thats where I’m at so far.

428698 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Fear is Finite, 17, #612 of 1871 🔗

I thought that the Houses of Parliament were being cleared out anyway for renovation. They were found to be infested with vermin.

428721 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mikewaite, 3, #613 of 1871 🔗

They have a new PCR test
P aedophile C onfirmation R eaction
apparently 300 cases already

428751 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to mikewaite, #614 of 1871 🔗

Like Buckingham Palace (currently boarded up)?

428647 Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, 30, #615 of 1871 🔗

Forget all the ‘roadmap’ nonsense. For what it’s worth here are my predictions for the government narrative for the next six weeks or so:

Early March – roll out of second jabs starts. Schools open up at about the same time, with testing of pupils. Elderly and vulnerable (vaccinated) people dying “from their co-morbidities – to be expected”.

Mid March – ‘disturbing’ evidence of covid19 in school pupils. SAGE demand further cautionary school closures and shelving of all ‘roadmap’ plans for the time being. Possibly more tiered closures. Will need to consider vaccinating schoolchildren.

End March – numbers of (vaccinated) elderly and vulnerable people dying of ‘covid19’ rising yet again, difficult to put all down to co-morbidities. Declared to be a sign of a third wave, similar to last spring. Why isn’t vaccination effective? Because this is a lethal variant which doesn’t respect the vaccines.

Early April – Full lockdown declared to save the NHS….

Deja vu.

428653 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dodderydude, 10, #616 of 1871 🔗

Good analysis, their predictably is so

429049 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to karenovirus, 2, #617 of 1871 🔗

Thanks, k. All this literally came to mind at about 3.00 last night. I was restless and started pondering on the significance of the date chosen for schools going back, and why Johnson was so eager to assure that there would be a ‘roadmap’ with dates when we knew that was the last thing they really wanted to do.

It all fell into place when I thought about how they would explain possibly numerous deaths post-vaccination and how they would curtail the progress of the easing of lockdown without leaving any evidence of manipulation and responsibility. Despite whatever Johnson comes out with today they have no intention of doing it….it is purely to keep the masses ‘on side’. Blame ‘the virus’! 😉

428674 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Dodderydude, 15, #618 of 1871 🔗

No, I think they will keep improving the numbers, cases down, (Due to LFT), Hospitalisation down, ie stop counting everybody as covid. Say it’s all due to the vaccine, more people get vaccinated.

By summer flu with new name all but gone, hoorar, it was all due to vaccine.

September people start dropping dead again, new varient blamed, rinse and repeat lockdowns, till everybody has new shot of poison.

Next year, deaths exponentially rise, blamed on yet more flu and unvaccinated. Mandated for all to be vaccinated.

Rinse and repeat until 2025.

2030 Population 1Billion.

428682 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Andrew K, 6, #619 of 1871 🔗

If they lockdown again this winter the game is up. My family are clinging on to this summer relaxing. If they are betrayed again I am confident they will finally see through it.

428756 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Andrew K, 12, #620 of 1871 🔗

So the only people left alive will be sceptics and those refusing the vaccine? I see a flaw in their cunning plan…

429682 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Andrew K, -1, #621 of 1871 🔗

A very chilling forecast, but it’s been clear for months that Covid isn’t about a virus. Depopulation is the name of the game and the UN Agendas for sustainable development absolutely need a massive reduction in the global population.

The Covid “vaccines” as you indicate, are now the main weapon in the depopulator’s armoury. While I’ve said it before, it should bear repeating, that the government just cannot allow a sizeable chunk of the population to remain unvaccinated. If it became obvious, as it likely would, that it was only the vaccinated that were dropping like flies, then the game might well be up for the government and its oligarch masters.

The vaccinated are going face serious illness and early death, while the vaccine refuseniks will be hounded and persecuted to the bitter end. No easy choices then, but only one of them will give any chance of survival, albeit only a slim one.

428699 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Dodderydude, 10, #622 of 1871 🔗

What will be the effect on children’s immune systems now that they have been isolated and mostly indoors during the winter?

I am guessing bad.

This will mean they are unnaturally vulnerable to Fauci’s deliberately released virus.

This is the greatest crime against humanity in terms of scale.

Anyone who doesn’t believe that we must pursue everything up to and including the death penalty IF we defeat this totalitarianism is themselves an APOLOGIST for child experimentation and torture.

428710 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #623 of 1871 🔗

Children should take vitamin C and Vitamin D 3 – it will help their immune systems

428677 dhid, replying to dhid, 3, #624 of 1871 🔗

I don’t know if this organisation has been mentioned here previously but I would be interested to know what others think about the following.

I have received, via post, an addressed (but no name) “invitation” to “Join the fight against COVID-19!”

It might be interesting if others have received one, and if so, whether they have already declined a vaccine offer or not – I have.

Note: In this case the bold text appearing in the letter in the sections shown below were not added by me, but were in the letter as received.

BTW – I will NOT be joining the study.

Letter contents:

Join the fight against COVID-19!

if you have been exposed to someone that has tested positive to COVID-19 in the past 5 days, you may be eligible to take part in a COVID-19 prevention study.
Clinical studies are researching investigational antibodies for the prevention of COVID-19.

You may be able to participate if you are 18 years or older, have an increased risk of exposure to COVID-19 or have been exposed to someone with COVID-19 in the past 5 days.

Those who qualify may receive:

Study-related care from local doctors at no cost
Study medication at no cost
Compensation for time and study-related travel

To see if you may qualify:

Visit coronastudy2021.com


call free on 0808 196 5826

Exposure must have been in the past 5 days so don’t delay!

Yours sincerely

The Clinical Study Team at ClinicalResearch.com”

Small print at the bottom says it is part of IQVIA in Reading.

Looking at IQVIA on Companies House shows:


One of the Directors, Kevin John Turland, is also associated with (amongst several other companies), Q SQUARED SOLUTIONS CHINA (QUEST) LIMITED:


Link to IQVIA:


Link to ClinicalResearch:


The return address on the envelope is:

Paragon Customer Communications
Choats Road

428686 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to dhid, 4, #625 of 1871 🔗

Interesting link to China.

Read an article a few weeks ago where China linked US laboratories harvested the DNA details of all that had PCR tests.

428690 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Victoria, 2, #626 of 1871 🔗

Yes I thought link was interesting – partly why I posted.

428786 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Victoria, 1, #627 of 1871 🔗

A US organisation was kicked out of China for acquiring DNA of Chinese citizens under false pretences. The US Pentagram has also put a ‘request for tender’ for the supply of DNA of ‘Caucasian Russian citizens’.

428905 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, 1, #628 of 1871 🔗

It would make sense if the virus was lab created and they wanted to gauge the spread and effect. This is just speculation, and I really hope I’m wrong.

428741 ▶▶ Suet, replying to dhid, 3, #629 of 1871 🔗

Iqvia is involved with the Astra Zeneca jab. They are listed as a ‘collaborator’ on the clinical trials info. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

428898 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Suet, #630 of 1871 🔗

Interesting and not surprising!

428753 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to dhid, 1, #631 of 1871 🔗

Yes I have had loads of these on Facebook.

428683 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 23, #632 of 1871 🔗

The scary figure of 100,000+ `Covid deaths’ is a fraud. They should only be testing people who are ill. They should only be recording it as a Covid death if the main reason for their death was Covid.

Just think, every year roughly 100,000 people die within 28 days of a haircut.

428750 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to flyingjohn, 6, #633 of 1871 🔗

Shows that lockdowns are working, because deaths within 28 days of a haircut (at a hair salon/barbers) have been going down.

We should lockdown permanently to stop these haircut deaths.

428687 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #634 of 1871 🔗

Paul Embery

Merseyside Police outside an Asda store today. “Being offensive is an offence.” Staggering.


Bunch of police stood around not just wasting time, but actually actively misleading the public into thinking the objectively bad actual laws on speechcrimes are even worse than they are.

Another reminder that so king as the police have time and manpower to enforce the literally stupid hate speech and coronapanic dictats, their whinges about being underfunded or undermanned should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

And here’s the subsequent embarrassing climb-down the police later issued. Only because, of course, the matter was raised by someone with a political profile and therefore a platform to publicise their nonsense.


428688 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #635 of 1871 🔗

Embery seems, from superficial acquaintance with his utterances, to be one of the relatively sane figures on the modern political left.

428703 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mark, 7, #636 of 1871 🔗

Not surprising when you see that he is the author of:

“Despised: Why the modern Left loathes the working class”

428711 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to rockoman, 6, #637 of 1871 🔗

Indeed. I see this as part of the “elites” versus “populists” split that underlies so much of modern politics. The modern left is the main political vehicle for the modern “elites”. A few of them have seen through that, but most haven’t. Yet.

Thomas Frank on Anti-Populism’s Surprising History

428752 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mark, 8, #638 of 1871 🔗

Friend in Germany posted this; this is the ruling party, no masks, no distancing. Do as I say, not as I do…

428763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #639 of 1871 🔗


CDU Merkel`s party – Off-camera no one was wearing a mask and were within close quarters of each other, then this happened when they went live .”

428839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PhilEvans, replying to Mark, 1, #640 of 1871 🔗

I imagine that once the Mars Rover had landed and the cameras in mission control were switched off (and covered in black Duck Tape, to be certain) the team all shook hands, hugged and kissed too! Doubtless they were under strict orders from NASA HQ to wear masks while on television.

428841 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mark, 2, #641 of 1871 🔗

Like the press conferences. The press officials have stopped wearing mncs, which they used to do if they were not speaking.
The journalists always have to wear one, even if speaking.
Reitschuster last week was asked by a bedwetter (sorry, but that is the only appropriate word for her), who was sitting several rows behind him, to keep his masks on as she feared for her life while he asked his question.

428694 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #642 of 1871 🔗

so king as

so long as

Weird autocorrect nonsense…

428708 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 10, #643 of 1871 🔗

I’m offended by the pigs in general and the hate crimes perpetrated by the masked on the mask free
who do I report it too?

428712 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #644 of 1871 🔗

You get to “suck it up” like most of the rest of us do. Only special kinds of “offence” and particular classes of “offended”, are intended to be covered by such rules.

428951 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Crystal Decanter, #645 of 1871 🔗

Stop Hate UK according to the statement ….. maybe we should inundate them with complaints

428744 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Mark, 6, #646 of 1871 🔗

Fuck off pig cunts.

428801 ▶▶ alw, replying to Mark, 2, #647 of 1871 🔗

Paul Embery on Twitter
“At Monday’s hearing, the FBU will be represented by one of the country’s leading QCs, no doubt at the cost of many thousands of pounds to the union’s members. I shall be representing myself.”

Good luck to Paul Embery battling the FBU. A real gent and someone who should be the Labour Party leader.

428820 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to alw, 2, #648 of 1871 🔗

It would be nice if trades unions would focus narrowly on their members’ work-related well-being, instead of serving as vehicles for elite political dogmas.

428948 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Mark, #649 of 1871 🔗

Great they acknowledge that people may not want to speak to the police but can use Stop Hate UK as a bloody intermediary……

428691 isobar, replying to isobar, 40, #650 of 1871 🔗

More evidence that people have enough? See best rated readers comment.
DAILY MAIL COMMENT: If this is a roadmap to freedom it’s hardly the full AA Atlas

Best rated comment: The proposed unlocking is too slow and out of step with the public who wont wait for permission to see family and friends now the vulnerable are vaccinated. Pubs should be open from Easter along with all other shuttered business. Weve been controlled and manipulated for too long.

340 upticks 33 downticks

428797 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to isobar, 6, #651 of 1871 🔗

As others have said, this is when they shift the anger onto those who will refuse the experimental gene therapy. It’s all about keeping it going long enough to get enough injected and health passports up and running, the paraphernalia of the new Pharmaceutical Totalitarian State. And of course, the reset will come at some point.

428696 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 14, #652 of 1871 🔗

I think there s a couple of ways they can play it going forth over 2021.

1) We know from experience respiratory virus s vanish over the summer, so from June until October/November they are gone. We even saw that last year with “covid 19”.

They already have extended furlough until July, so they could drag out lockdowns until then, which ensures as many people in the UK have had the “jab” before then as possible. Then ease up on the testing, use the natural seasonal cycle of viruses to claim the jabs have worked and release lockdown. I expect they will still keep masks and social distancing (or some other measures) as they need to keep the fear running in the back of our minds that there “might” (read definitely) will be the possibility of another resurgence in the future. Then come November time hey presto a new variant is here, (covid 21 anyone?) and we have to have a new lockdown over winter & new jabs until June 2022. After-all, the data proves it “worked” last time. And repeat until infinity. This would give them the new yearly covid jab which the pharma / gates wants.

An interview I saw yesterday said that if you have the annual flu jab you are more likely to get a coronavirus the following year, and they pushed the flu jab quite heavily last autumn. That and the possibility of auto immune problems following this years covid 19 jabs could mean millions of venerable people who could die of “covid” in winter 2021.

2) If the jabs prove more effective and rather than these millions of people dying in winter 2021 they start to keel over before then, they can just say its a 3rd covid wave and everyone needs the covid “booster” jab in Autumn 2021 (more $$$$ for pharma). Reports reckon its after the 2nd covid jab things really start going wrong, and if they are putting this 2nd jab off until May, this could lead nicely for a manufactured 3rd covid wave in July time in the middle of summer. If they release lockdowns slightly before that, then clearly that would be what caused this 3rd wave, re-enforcing the idea that lockdowns work.

428702 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to ThomasT, 5, #653 of 1871 🔗

There was no second wave so how could there be a third?

428732 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Bungle, 7, #654 of 1871 🔗

We all know that, but the govt claimed the normal yearly winter flu was the “2nd wave” didnt they.

428736 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to ThomasT, 4, #655 of 1871 🔗

Going on the Christian calendar, it was technically the 2020th wave and counting.

428704 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to ThomasT, 12, #656 of 1871 🔗

Best case scenario
The economy collapses and we go back to heads on spikes

428709 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Crystal Decanter, 14, #657 of 1871 🔗

Economy collapsing is the only way I see out of this.

428740 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ThomasT, 6, #658 of 1871 🔗

‘They pushed the flu jab hard last year’.

Agreed, I got up to a dozen texts, a letter and an unanswered phone call rather than the usual single text.

428816 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to karenovirus, 3, #659 of 1871 🔗

I had the same. In the end I was guilt tripped into having the flu jab for the first time in 20 years by the wife who believed the propaganda and told me “that if you have the flu jab you are 35% LESS likely to get covid19 and you dont want to leave your children with no Father as a result of not having it”. Unfortunately I was less informed back then and against my better judgement had it.

428745 ▶▶ Mike, replying to ThomasT, 7, #660 of 1871 🔗

Don’t forget the hay fever season kicking off in April until June…all the dimwits out there who have forgotten what a runny nose and congested airways are like due to pollen will be crying about the loss of smell and taste (generally just snot). They can manipulate this in numerous ways..That being said I agree whole heartedly with your theory.

428754 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mike, 5, #661 of 1871 🔗

These past 12 months have made me question many things and one of them is the existence of hay fever. Perhaps it’s nothing to do with pollen but more to do with all the crap sprayed on crops.

428846 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to ThomasT, #662 of 1871 🔗

I kind of hope as they are denying any correlation between getting the jab and dying they will keep doing it when they die next winter.
Although it is likely they will still test care home residents and in hospital and just do as many cycles on the PCR until they get a + result

428716 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 13, #663 of 1871 🔗

Good article by Zoe Harcombe on vitamin D and covid


I remember a nite club called Winners being called Losers locally. I’m sure the more creative among us can come up with a more appropriate acronym for NICE.

I’ll start off with Evaluation of Valuable Information Lacking

428730 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #664 of 1871 🔗

NICE usually put up 30k or so on a drug per Qaly. For the vaccines this is hitting 300k per Qaly

428742 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #665 of 1871 🔗

Yes, if vaccines were effective and safe then still couldn’t be justified.

Given the short term and potential long term side affects of the experimental vaccines, it should be 300K per quality adjusted year of life lost rather than 300K per quality adjusted year of life saved.

428728 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 15, #666 of 1871 🔗

On March 8th can I chose my own picnic, or is their government guidance? Will I be allowed to have tea and not coffee?
I’m worried my food and drink might contract the virus from park benches, so I’ll probably stay home, just in case.

428731 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to PatrickF, 11, #667 of 1871 🔗

You’re only allowed vegan stiff as any meat products will make you an environmental terrorist. You can have Bill Gates approved bug meet though.

428735 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Andrew K, 10, #668 of 1871 🔗

Thanks Andrew. I just want to do the right thing, although wearing four face masks at once is a little uncomfortable.

428749 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to PatrickF, 14, #669 of 1871 🔗

Who you think you are, immortal?
I have now fashioned a full body suit out of stitched together face masks and their boxes, and wear that when out for my 20 min designated exercise, once a fortnight.
Its people like you that are keeping us locked down by not being responsible. Don’t be so selfish. Wear a damn box of masks.

428947 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PatrickF, 3, #670 of 1871 🔗

You need to wear a full hazmat suit for picnics. It’s only guidance, but the cops will fine you if you don’t.

Obviously you won’t be able to eat, but you can still enjoy sitting on the grass looking at some outdoor food.

428829 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 1, #671 of 1871 🔗

Remember to treble up with the underwear, just to be on the safe side.

428942 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to PatrickF, #672 of 1871 🔗

Only cold food. Hot food counts as a restaurant and that’s not allowed.

You’re right though, we really should stay home. We don’t need picnics, it’s far too soon for that kind of thing. A zoom picnic would be much safer.

428733 danny, replying to danny, 31, #673 of 1871 🔗

On January 25th 2022, we will apparently be allowed to smile briefly at a friendly neighbour but only if we pass them on a unicycle whilst wearing a deerstalker hat, maintaining a speed of between 3-8 mph.

428761 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to danny, 9, #674 of 1871 🔗

You forgot the mandatory butt plug.

428781 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to danny, 9, #675 of 1871 🔗

I think that if you wear a traffic cone on your head and paint your left kneecap Purple, you can and don’t quote me on this, increase your speed to 10 mph.

428737 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 21, #676 of 1871 🔗

Sick to death of modern “entertainment” packed full of lecturing and ‘woke’ talking points, I’ve taken to re-watching films and series from earlier decades. It’s fascinating to note what jumps out now.

Any of you remember ‘Close Encounters of the Third Kind’? Watching it again yesterday. Must have been decades since I’d seen it last.

The government doesn’t want the plebs to be there to meet the aliens when they arrive so they tell everyone there has been a lethal nerve gas leak in the area.

Almost every resident flees in terror, but there are a dozen or so who are drawn to the location regardless.

On their way they find “evidence” of the nerve gas being real – dead animals on the side of the road, so they don their masks. Only they find out later that the government had actually put the animals to sleep and then attempt to spray the errant refuseniks with the same sleep gas to stop them getting to the arrival site.

Particularly striking was the moment when they’re rounded up and two of them take off their masks and encourage the others to do the same.

428884 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Katabasis, 2, #677 of 1871 🔗

There is someone posting on here under the name “Londo Mollari” – a character from Babylon 5. That’s another one to watch, warning how totalitarianism takes hold – it’s amazing how accurate a relatively low budget 90s Sci-Fi can be 25 years later.

428964 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Katabasis, 2, #678 of 1871 🔗

The older version of The Secret Garden (still on Nitflux) is the perfect analogy for all the mask nonsense and the mindset that goes with blindly following rules

428738 jos, replying to jos, 16, #679 of 1871 🔗

Just had a food-related thought about relative and perceived risks: on a packet of salad it states that the salad should be washed before eating it – it doesn’t say why, how long it should be washed for, at what temperature it should be washed or the potential consequences of not doing so but I’d bet most people comply and run the tap over it for a few minutes and think any risk has now been averted. How many of those salad-washers have recently rolled up their sleeves to allow an untested, never before used on humans gene therapy to be pumped into their bloodstream potentially getting through the blood-brain barrier into their brain having not even felt enough interest to look at the ingredients or check the potential (and considerable) side-effects? Beats me! 🤦‍♀️

428842 ▶▶ Alice, replying to jos, 6, #680 of 1871 🔗

Interesting – I never wash salad! And don’t intent to have the “vaccine”. I wonder what this says about my idea of risk assessment…

428743 dorset dumpling, replying to dorset dumpling, 17, #681 of 1871 🔗

I went in to our opticians this morning to buy an Eye Bag as I’ve had watery eyes for a few days and I knew what would help.
Receptionist….do you have an appointment?
Me…No, I just want to buy an eye bag.
R…are you a patient here?
Me….Yes (suspect that might have been the end if I had said no!)
R sells me said eye bag and then says….In future you will need to make an appointment.
Me…just to buy a product?
R…yes, we have to make sure that there are not more than three people in the shop at a time.
Me….Hmm, exits stage right before I regret saying something else!

428747 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to dorset dumpling, 16, #682 of 1871 🔗

I need new glasses, I can’t see shit, these ones are three years old now and I need a new prescription. These ones are not long for this world. I just cannot go near an optician with all their insane PPE bullshittery. Perhaps I can get a magnifying glass for reading online.


428762 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 5, #683 of 1871 🔗

TS, you can get perfectly adequate reading glasses online for a tenner.

428805 ▶▶▶ Scouse Sceptic, replying to Two-Six, 4, #684 of 1871 🔗

Local Specsavers here were great. Show your ‘exemption’ lanyard and job’s a good un

428826 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 4, #685 of 1871 🔗

None of my business really but eye health and being able to see properly are very important and worth whatever sacrifices/compromises you need to make in order to get the job done. I’ve not needed the optician yet, but when I do I will go along and try to push back as much as possible on it all but in the end I want my eyes to work as well as they can. I have done this with my dentist too – she’s a sceptic but the practice has the usual silly nonsense in place. The same would go for anything medical.

428746 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 18, #686 of 1871 🔗

When you hear the prase ”Build Back Better”, if you think about it, it clearly refers to ‘rebuilding’ and doing so in a better (by their defintion) manner, presumably after a collapse or failure. So, once you’ve got that clear in your head you can understand that those spouting the BBB mantra now are actually referring to the re-jigging, re-setting, re-directing, etc of economies and society, in their words, in a post covid world. OK, so we’ve got it all this far, and we can probaby convince a number of people that this is the aim. But where we have the big old smoking gun, is the fact that the Build Back Better mantra has been espoused by the Johnsons, the Bidens, the Trudeaus, the Aherns, etc. etc. for the last few years. Years pre-covid! So why are very few, who are now thinking this reset nonsense is the plan, not able to see that the whole thing has been planned, including the virus…? In which case, where is the anger??

428793 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bigade, 6, #687 of 1871 🔗

Well, Judy Mikovits and others have confirmed the virus was manipulated in a laboratory using the research overseen by Fauci before it was moved to China. Then there is Operation Lock Step, some kind of Public Relations facet of a darker contingency plan from within the planners’ den: Wayback Machine (archive.org)

428812 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Bigade, 5, #688 of 1871 🔗

We live in a post-postmodernist world where all of the metanarratives that once stood are now gone, from state religion to national character. The main driver of this has been the proliferation of media, and now the internet. You can associate with any group sharing your worldview in just a few clicks, where in the past you might need to seek out groups meeting in coffee shops to talk about your ideas. Today two people sitting next to each other in a bus stop might live in completely seperate worlds.

Yet despite all this, idiot politicians and even bigger idiot rich arseholes think they can stamp a new metanarrative on humanity. It’s an impossible uphill struggle, a product of old fashioned thinking, complete ignorance of the philosophical underpinnings of modernity and how we arrived at our society today.

They are so shortsighted as to be blind, they only demonstrate that their zealotry eclipses their competence. If they take it upon themselves to destroy our economies and societies, they will only succeed in creating chaos, their dreams of a new order cannot be realised, they are a day late and a dollar short.

429408 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #689 of 1871 🔗

Merkel said ‘It will only be over when everyone! in the world is jabbed’ The mind boggles!!

428873 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bigade, 2, #690 of 1871 🔗

To rebuild something that wasn’t broken, one first must destroy it.
Which is the phase we’re still in, since March.

428755 Rowan, replying to Rowan, 41, #691 of 1871 🔗

Just received a phone call from Gemma at some NHS central unit, asking why I hadn’t yet availed myself of the Covid vaccine and did I have a few minutes to chat. I asked Gemma what it was, that the NHS didn’t understand about the word no and she then quickly ended the conversation. I don’t think that they will leave it at that though.

I have previously received two calls from my local surgery and am now getting rather irritated at their eagerness to get me to join the trials of a hardly tested liability free highly experimental biological agent, masquerading as a vaccine.

If they ring again I will make a complaint to the local police of harassment by the NHS. It won’t solve the problem, but it will stir things up a bit.

428770 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Rowan, 21, #692 of 1871 🔗

Is it just me, or do they seem overly desperate? If take-up was as high as we are being led to believe, would it really be necessary to harass people with endless letters, texts and calls?

428780 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to leggy, 7, #693 of 1871 🔗

I thought there were financial inducements. Someone mentioned them here.

429424 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FedupofLies, #694 of 1871 🔗

Certainly doctor’s have financial incentives to inject us with the government sponsored poison and from memory they get about £12 a shot. Now £12 x 66 million comes to an awful lot, just under £800 million, then divide by 62,000 GPs and they get about £13,000 each. Not too bad on top of all the other bonuses for doing what is now little more than a not too well trained monkey job.

428785 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to leggy, 19, #695 of 1871 🔗

They are desperate not to leave a large group of the population unvaccinated. When the refuseniks are the only ones left standing it would be just too obvious what’s happening. Hence the harassment. Of course, silly Gemma doesn’t have a clue about what they are really up to.

428870 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Rowan, 7, #696 of 1871 🔗

Yep. The control group may not be too large, otherwise, the cover up won’t work.

429172 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JayBee, #697 of 1871 🔗


428792 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to leggy, 8, #698 of 1871 🔗

Yes very strange. I smell a rat here!

428857 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Rowan, 2, #699 of 1871 🔗

It’s a hate crime
make it so

428939 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Rowan, 10, #700 of 1871 🔗

How do they have time for this when they can’t be arsed to treat actual people for actual medical problems most of the time?

Maybe I’m just unlucky, but calling my surgery even in normal times is like getting through to Fort Knox. Even worse now there’s 5 minutes of Covid-related tripe to get through before you even get to the options. And when you do get through, they make you feel like you’re wasting their time.

But yet they can call people multiple times, even though they’ve already said no, for this stupid vaccine? Just like the police, the manpower is there in reality, they only choose to use it when it suits them.

428992 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #701 of 1871 🔗

At the end of this all, it could well be that the hold outs will be last man standing.

429184 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #702 of 1871 🔗

Yes indeed. Due to Covid restrictions a good number of the staff have nothing to do and there are so many dance videos that you can make. So the Devil is now making work for these idle hands and they pestering members of the public who say no to their injectable dodgy toxic concoctions .

428760 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #703 of 1871 🔗
428823 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to PastImperfect, 6, #704 of 1871 🔗




429032 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #705 of 1871 🔗

Jesus , state sponsored child abuse…….again …or still

428765 alw, replying to alw, 42, #706 of 1871 🔗

Bob Moran
· 21h
We don’t need a ‘path’ out of lockdown.
We don’t need a road map.
We don’t need to be cautious or gradual.

It must end immediately and completely and never be considered as a policy again.

428832 ▶▶ Alice, replying to alw, 11, #707 of 1871 🔗

Bravo, Bob Moran, a super-sceptic! I watched the speech he gave when he received the award, and I was impressed. Apart from being a great cartoonist, he’s a thinking human being.

428767 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 17, #708 of 1871 🔗

Right, this is starting to get my goat. Yet again another individual stating that Brazil isn’t in lock-down, this time from the Ferguson correspondence. Apart from the states of Roraima and Rondonia every state in Brazil has a lock-down of one degree or another. I know, I live and work here, and have for 18 years so I am seeing it first hand.

Here is the state government plan for Sao Paulo


Santa Caterina




I could go on and cut and paste the rest of the states, but the trend should be clear. It doesn’t matter if you don’t read Portuguese, the graphics are pretty self explanatory.

Now how well the population follow the restrictions is another issue, but lock-downs exist in Brazil and in some cases since March of last year.

So please, stop citing Brazil as a country without lock-down.

428802 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Sampa, 7, #709 of 1871 🔗

you have Brazilian Trump so are treated as a country of crazies by those with TDS. Boa sorte.

428778 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 3, #711 of 1871 🔗

This short video is worth watching. We need some of this energy in our country.


429027 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Suzyv, #712 of 1871 🔗

Too right!! Tough job for her though, the Kool Aid runs through the veins of Melbournians and Sydneysiders – she gets my vote

428779 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 3, #713 of 1871 🔗

Dr. uses vape clouds to illustrate how masks do not work

A video to show to people who believe masks work.

428855 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to LMS2, #714 of 1871 🔗

but muh water droplets

428789 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 30, #715 of 1871 🔗

Well it seems things are getting worse in sunny Darlo.

Mrs Biggles has just been on the phone to a friend of ours who proudly announced that she and her husband have just bought face visors. They went to an outside garden centre fully kitted out in masks and visors and were horrified to find people there who weren’t even wearing a mask. I just hope I don’t see them any time soon as I wouldn’t be able to stop myself from bursting into hysterics.

Yesterday morning I was heading back home having got the Sunday paper when I encountered my best example of ‘extreme swerving’ yet. A girl in her early 20s was coming the opposite way but when she was 10 yards away she stopped and turned 90 degrees left as you would when about to cross the road. She then turned 90 degrees right and marched down the middle of the road studiously avoiding the glare that I gave her. Once past she was back on the pavement again.

It really is like a form of insanity.

428795 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biggles, 11, #716 of 1871 🔗

This make me want to go out and hunt down some covidians to laugh at today.

428804 ▶▶▶ PhilEvans, replying to Two-Six, 5, #717 of 1871 🔗

Covidian spotting is tricky. The ones in masks are easy; it is the masked joggers who catch me out. Thanks for the tip about looking for the ostentatious 90 degree course shifts; I hadn’t worked that one out.

428806 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biggles, 7, #718 of 1871 🔗

I like to make a straight line at them especially if they are loitering outside my shopping destination.

428840 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to karenovirus, 12, #719 of 1871 🔗

Yep. My favourite is always to pretend I haven’t seen them, and stop for example to check my phone or tie a shoe etc. They are standing there waiting, hiding behind the tree or lamppost, whilst I (completely oblivious) wait them out.
See who breaks first.

428845 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to danny, 1, #720 of 1871 🔗

Yes you can have fun with swervers. I was caught out on this occasion by the sudden evasive manoeuvre!

428864 ▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Biggles, 4, #721 of 1871 🔗

lol, i`m going to graffiti all those silly “notices” that have appeared at the gates of South Park – this week !

428874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to nickbowes, 3, #722 of 1871 🔗

There are some up Blackwell Lane. I really should do an Annie and remove them!

428790 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 40, #723 of 1871 🔗

re the linked article by “Dr” Raghib Ali:

Deciding when to end lockdown is, of course, a difficult decision, but I now fear the costs of lockdown will soon start beginning to outweigh the benefits.

Soon? SOON? Sorry but just fuck off. Why are we listening to these apologists for the greatest travesty ever inflicted on peacetime populations?

428810 ▶▶ merlin, replying to A Heretic, 5, #724 of 1871 🔗

This moron is sellout steve’s little puppy

428799 PhilEvans, replying to PhilEvans, 15, #725 of 1871 🔗

This is turning into an epic smoke-and-mirrors job by the UK Government. Doubtless the PM will credit the decline in “cases” to the “world-beating vaccination” and pay tribute to the “fantastic response” of the Great British Public in the call-up to be vaccinated. Facebook, YouTube and other social media or newspapers will delete any suggestion that it might be worth investigating what they mean by “case”, or whether there is any evidence to show that vaccinations, lockdown, social distancing and masks have or ever have had any effect on virally-transmitted respiratory conditions. I had hoped for a “Big Bang” cessation of the lockdown, or at least at tactical face-saving withdrawal. Perhaps this is it. Alternatively, perhaps it will become so if the public help to kick it out of the door, if necessary by continuing their Resistance by maintaining control over public parks, nail boutiques and other pill-boxes, pending a final assault on reclaiming restaurants and pubs.

Quite separately, has the Imperial Modelling Code been independently tested to see if has any predictive skill? At the moment it is observationally equivalent to a box with an infinite number of control knobs which can be tweaked, delicately, to fit any amount of historical data but with zero ability to predict the future. (See von Neumann’s Elephant for an explanation.) I do not know what happened after Imperial released the code for testing, along with all the other material (requirements capture, unit test, validation and verification, customer acceptance trials, compliance with ISO9000 procedures for experimental software). In fact, did they even release it for test?

I look forward to this afternoon. Rather like I look forward to being deceived by David Copperfield (who should easily be able to make this pandemic disappear) and then teased by Penn and Teller (who show me how it was done.)

In the meantime: let us enjoy ice-creams in the park with our friends in this balmy weather while it lasts, or try to play games with the ever-moving goalposts. Then we can wait to see if the Junta have been graciously allowed us to visit the pub or just the mother-in-law.

428817 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PhilEvans, 20, #726 of 1871 🔗

This is turning into an epic smoke-and-mirrors job by the UK Government.” Politics is a dirty game mostly and history is full of instances of great harm done by dishonest, wicked or incompetent leaders. But the scale, severity and duration of this episode is in my view without precedent in history. The damage has been inflicted on multiple levels – economic, political, social, democratic. I can’t recall any previous case where the government waged prolonged psychological warfare on its own people, systematically, for such a long period. It’s much much more than a “smoke and mirrors” job.

428867 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to PhilEvans, 4, #727 of 1871 🔗

I don’t envy any software developer tasked with analysing this dog shit, here is a sample:


This is the kind of code that a total amateur writes.

428808 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 71, #728 of 1871 🔗

Just been to my local Newsagent very busy, owner big time skeptic allowed me to spend a couple of hours at the counter to spread the gospel, talked to customers about UK column news, Lockdown skeptics, Vaccine figures and facts basically all things skeptic, vast majority were already skeptic so my impromptu pep talk just reinforced and rammed home the point.. came away feeling rather satisfied..

428815 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #729 of 1871 🔗

Outstanding stuff. Good on you.

428824 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #730 of 1871 🔗

Nice one

428858 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #731 of 1871 🔗

Unfortunately, the lockdown supporters are still cowering at home.

428888 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #732 of 1871 🔗

Perhaps you have a future as a motivational speaker?

428968 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to TJN, 9, #733 of 1871 🔗

With my criminal record I don’t think so.

428924 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #734 of 1871 🔗

Where do you live? I want to move there. It’s hopeless round here.

430045 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #735 of 1871 🔗


428809 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 16, #736 of 1871 🔗

Does anyone have any connections with people who work in ‘the arts’? I’ve been thinking about this quite a lot lately. They are mostly middle class lefties who presumably all love LD. But, their entire reason for existence has been cancelled, possibly forever. Even if they are being paid through furlough, that can’t possibly make up for being on stage, or just being part of a theatre company providing the lighting and seeing it all on the opening night etc etc. Are any of them questioning this at all?

428821 ▶▶ Alice, replying to kenadams, 11, #737 of 1871 🔗

I think many of them believe (probably rightly) that vaccine passports are going to make theatre and concerts possible. So – nothing to worry about! The lefties don’t care about freedom.

428850 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kenadams, 6, #738 of 1871 🔗

The Luvvies will eventually be exempted just like the film/TV industry has been
Lockdown is for the plebs

428861 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, -4, #739 of 1871 🔗

Christ! The Friends of 77th Brigade are out in force today!

428853 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, -6, #740 of 1871 🔗

“They are mostly middle class lefties who presumably all love LD

I believe in freedom of speech – so you are free to be a totally Cupid Stunt.

… but I wouldn’t recommend the badge if you want to be regarded as even marginally intelligent.

(Yes – I know people in the Arts and Sports sector – so have some protection from the brainless making moronic assumptions).

428908 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 5, #741 of 1871 🔗

That didn’t sound like a reasoned, constructive argument. Deliberately insulting someone doesn’t make your own viewpoint valid.

428923 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, 5, #742 of 1871 🔗

RickH as a (former?) leftie I know how you feel. But there does seem to be a correlation between political leaning and lockdown loving – by no means a universal rule of course.

I thought I was a leftie before all this started. But I now seem to be far right wing in terms of my lockdown views. It’s confusing.

429147 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to RickH, 1, #743 of 1871 🔗

Wow. You are an angry person aren’t you! It is indubitably true that a greater proportion (not all, of course) of lefties love LD (just read the Guardian ffs), and that a large number of people in the arts, way above average, are also lefties.

I’m a member of a centre-left political party btw, so I know of what I speak.

428866 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to kenadams, 1, #744 of 1871 🔗

They are a bunch of identity politics totalitarian CUNTS and I hope all actors are killed off by the vaccine soon or become mutant scum owned by some corporation.

428875 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #745 of 1871 🔗

I believe brain death is another symptom of Covid 🙂

428899 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to kenadams, 4, #746 of 1871 🔗

I’ve been thinking the same since the beginning of all this tripe. A lot of young people were just setting out on musical careers, etc, and have suddenly been thrown into a pit. I am still staggered how many people are saying ”It’ll be all right once the vaccine has arrived/been rolled out/been given to everyone – then we can get back to normal”. Don’t those young ‘uns realise yet, there’ll be no going back?

Performers especially are not the kind of people who are happy to sit on their backsides taking public money – yes, surely they’re the ones who should be kicking off big time.

428911 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Banjones, 2, #747 of 1871 🔗

Yes, like a young person who was due to take part in the new Stranger Things season. They will be thirty by the time filming resumes.

428918 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kenadams, 2, #748 of 1871 🔗

I know some music people, including one choir mistress who has taken the whole thing lying down. Who knows if singing will ever be allowed again, but she doesn’t seem to care as long as she’s “safe”. She’s in her thirties FFS. Was petrified of teaching in schools in the autumn, very relieved now that she’s doing it via zoom…

428955 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kenadams, 3, #749 of 1871 🔗

Opinion within the arts world, is as equally split as everywhere else.

428818 primesinister, replying to primesinister, 29, #750 of 1871 🔗

I cant keep this to myself anymore, ive been bad very very bad the guilt is killing me and I need forgiveness people.

Right here I go, today whilst out on a walk with the mutt on the beach I fancied a sit down on the sand to contemplate my thinning hair and skin I sat down for easily 20/25 minutes I felt so bad that my actions will at some point kill many oaps and assorted vulnerableatia that i had to come home and punish myself with a shabbily constructed number. what a selfish person i am and the country will stay in permanent lock down becauase of it.

Ill get me coat. xxx

428837 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to primesinister, 13, #751 of 1871 🔗

Have you considered making a Tik Tok video?

429003 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #752 of 1871 🔗

Nope im a nonny mouse.

428906 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to primesinister, 7, #753 of 1871 🔗

Just wear two masks in bed tonight, that will make up for it.

428960 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #754 of 1871 🔗

With or without billiard ball 😉

429002 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #755 of 1871 🔗


429160 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, #756 of 1871 🔗

Masks have become akin to the papal indulgences of yonder

428819 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, 25, #757 of 1871 🔗

Afternoon all – haven’t posted for a while, half term distractions etc. Last time I posted said I was feeling positive because whilst it is going to pretty horrible at least the agenda was going to become clear and that is happening – Mail and Telegraph have shifted today and moving sceptic – the comments on both are now consistently hostile. Have had conversations in the last week with people – more and more can see through it just don’t where to find other people who think the same. If tonight’s grand announcement is anything like what has been trailed then more people will turn – it’s just a question now of what the spark is that kicks everything off. It’s also at the point now where everyone has been impacted one way or another.

428904 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to norfolksceptic, 6, #758 of 1871 🔗

It’s going to be good early spring weather, where I am at least, for the next week or so – I hope that will sort things out.

428827 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #759 of 1871 🔗

On the BBC’s Politics Live this afternoon Margaret Hodge MP was criticising the government for its failure to get people “vaccinated”. She was citing rather large numbers of people declining. She said that fifty percent of social care workers had not taken up the offer of the so called vaccine(s). She claimed that only eighty percent of the care home residents had been “vaccinated”. No one on the show disagreed with her numbers; in fact, the consensus was the government needs to do much more to tackle “hesitancy” and counter “myths”. Apparently, the trouble is people are getting their information from social media (which sounded a little odd coming from the BBC, which gets five billion pounds a year for its propaganda).

428835 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #760 of 1871 🔗

Those numbers paint a different picture from the government propaganda. One term I learned today from msm is Vaccine Envy.

428844 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 23, #761 of 1871 🔗

“Vaccine Envy”!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahhahahahahahahahaa thats made my day.

428856 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to ThomasT, 12, #762 of 1871 🔗

Fucking vaccine envy. Hahahaha. I love these clowns.

428876 ▶▶▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 12, #763 of 1871 🔗

Saying that i’ve read posts on media from quite a people actually complaining that they felt someone else had jumped the queue on them! Then other people boasting that they have had the vaccine and their friends congratulating them on how wonderful the news was and they cant wait to have theirs! Some crazy people out there!

428893 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to ThomasT, 1, #764 of 1871 🔗

Probably just Twitter users. Sounds like Twitter user bullshit.

428949 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to ThomasT, 4, #765 of 1871 🔗

They’ve created a CULT of drug addicts!!! Jesus, look at them! Junkies desperate for a fix. This is terrifying!!

429039 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #766 of 1871 🔗

Shows just how well the whole psych ops has worked. Wait for the villification of those un-vaxxed. Remember the jews in the 1930’s Germany carried diseases.

428843 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #767 of 1871 🔗

Hodge was noted for spreading lies about ‘antisemitism’ in the Labour Party, on behalf of the Israel Lobby – which is intimately connected to repression techniques worldwide – as we know.

428869 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #768 of 1871 🔗

People are getting information from social media from experts in their field who are being silenced by the mainstream media, e.g., Mike Yeadon.

428880 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #769 of 1871 🔗

Apparently, the trouble is people are getting their information from social media”…… i find that hard to believe bearing in mind social media is actively deleting any posts which do not agree with the govt narrative.

428896 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #770 of 1871 🔗

It’s not a government failure. It’s people exercising their own free choice about what goes into their body and what risks they want to take. Why is that so hard for them to accept?

428998 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #771 of 1871 🔗

If people were really getting their information from social media this govt wouldn’t have a vaccine hesitancy problem and Trump would still be president….

429128 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #772 of 1871 🔗

Margret hodge is horrible in so many ways: Iraq war supporting, 45 minute claim supporting, propaganda spouting anti-human psycho-bitch.

She is also BALD.

428836 danny, replying to danny, 38, #773 of 1871 🔗

Apparently Germany and France have massively refused the vaccine. According to the DM they are “paying the price for the scaremongering” of their governments.
Brilliant. So people question the effectiveness and safety of an untested chemical trial, and are seen as irresponsible.
No danger of that here, in the country that is collectively becoming the Homer Simpson of the world.

428849 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to danny, 15, #774 of 1871 🔗

I commented yesterday saying that the government blaming me for my mistrust of government, instead of taking responsibility themselves, is only going to further alienate me. I’m not surprised that a large number of people feel the same, and I hope these governments continue to denigrate their own citizens. Never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake, as some short French fella would say.

428852 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to danny, 14, #775 of 1871 🔗

I’m hoping this is because they’ve said that vaccines aren’t going to change anything so people are thinking “why bother” with getting the vax. Hopefully this is the start of some large scale disobedience.

428871 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to danny, 1, #776 of 1871 🔗

“No danger of that here,”

Not according to Margaret Hodge.
See Steve Hayes comment a few minutes ago.

428848 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 15, #777 of 1871 🔗

Get ready for more….

428878 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to The Covid Kid, 12, #778 of 1871 🔗

I just hate hate hate that this scruffy oik is seen as our leader on the world stage. For crying out loud, he hasn’t even bothered to get his teeth tarted up a bit, let alone his wig. What an embarrassment he is. And to think he’s got women into his bed!

(It reminds me of what Debbie McG was asked: ”So what was it that attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?”)

428969 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Banjones, 1, #779 of 1871 🔗

Perhaps he’s got hidden beauty (a big cock)?

428974 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Banjones, 1, #780 of 1871 🔗

He is an actor in disguise acting a role.

428851 LMS2, 11, #781 of 1871 🔗


Unmasking the Medical Experts

“Last March, the World Health Organization did not recommend mask use for individuals, “unless they are sick with COVID or caring for someone who is sick.”

“There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit. In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies program, said at a media briefing in Geneva, Switzerland.

In April 2000 guidance, the WHO was against routine public mask use.

Medical masks should be reserved for health care workers.

The use of medical masks in the community may create a false sense of security, with neglect of other essential measures, such as hand hygiene practices and physical distancing, and may lead to touching the face under the masks and under the eyes, result in unnecessary costs, and take masks away from those in health care who need them most, especially when masks are in short supply.”

There’s more of the article to read. Helpful for persuading those who aren’t yet sure or confident about ditching their mask…

428854 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 87, #782 of 1871 🔗

I rarely go on the Guardian website these days because it makes me want to beat myself around the head with a blunt instrument but for some reason I took a look a moment ago. Choice quote from their handy little “explainer”: “It is now generally accepted that mass testing, mask-wearing and social distancing are likely to be in place until at least the end of the year.”

Generally accepted? By whom? Not by me, matey boy, or anyone who isn’t a fucking idiot. Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off. And then fuck off again.

428891 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Johnsontown, 10, #783 of 1871 🔗

As if they’d drop it at the end of the year, in the middle of winter. Why do they always tout these things as ending at such a ridiculous and improbable time?

428892 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Johnsontown, 10, #784 of 1871 🔗

Who gives a Flying fuck ?? Let them say whatever they want it’s all horseshit and has no bearing on how I live my life daily

428931 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Johnsontown, 9, #785 of 1871 🔗

“It is now generally accepted” = we think this should happen

It’s another phrase like “pressure is growing” that is designed to push a line and isn’t journalism

428933 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Johnsontown, 17, #786 of 1871 🔗

The Guardian have tried this on before with vaccine passports. They suggested that the passports were coming (which at the time they were not) in order to get the band wagon rolling. Their “journalism” covers an agenda of their own. I am a long time Guardian reader (40 years +) but am now sickened by what they do.

428945 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Johnsontown, 12, #787 of 1871 🔗

They clearly want people to be dehumanised. I don’t know what kind of sinister agenda is behind all this but masks, testing, distancing, isolation… – it’s anti-human and we need to call it out URGENTLY!

429429 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #788 of 1871 🔗

The Guardian is Fucking Shite.. I used to read it it, it went wokified ages ago…

428860 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #789 of 1871 🔗

I’ve just started reading today’s Update and am frankly disgusted. Katy Balls’ article is a load of absolute bollox and should have been ripped apart, not given pole position.

Regarding the ongoing Pantsdown redherring: Did anyone else think his response, published yesterday, might have been written by the Spi-B team?

428879 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #790 of 1871 🔗

Spot on

428887 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #791 of 1871 🔗

I think the whole Ferguson reply thing is extremely fishy, that he would take the time to write multiple detailed replies and also that they would be worded in that way. Something smells off to me.

428928 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #792 of 1871 🔗

Ego, possibly

I doubt anyone else wrote the responses – they are pretty useless. SPI-B might have done better (though even they are only really good at emotional blackmail of the ignorant or gullible, which doesn’t work on us)

428941 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #793 of 1871 🔗

Yep, I do not believe for one second that Ferguson wrote that. Who do the editors of LS think they are trying to fool. Disgraceful!

428890 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #794 of 1871 🔗

I don’t bother reading ABT when the I see the name of that writer.

428927 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, #795 of 1871 🔗

The lead article was rightly focused on today’s roadmap but the tone is all wrong

Any link to MSM articles should be just to cite sources in terms of some of the details that have been leaked

The rest of the article should have been a restatement of why lockdowns are wrong, the evidence that they don’t work and an alternative roadmap, while rubbishing the approach the PM is taking

The article ATL should be written primarily with the curious waverers in mind – people coming here for the first time

428862 DanClarke, 9, #796 of 1871 🔗

Looks like Johnson and Co are going to make our re entry into the world a big thing and flog their vaccines, made up at their new Gene Therapy UK labs with their big grants and investments.

428863 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 7, #797 of 1871 🔗

I have questions if there’s anyone on here with legal expertise?

I’m assuming that any Covid testing on school children will require parental consent, but that the 16 to 18 year old age group are able to consent themselves.

I’m also assuming that the government can’t force this in as compulsory, I know when the testing was being proposed for an after Christmas return the government guidelines were clear that it was voluntary. However, if you are at an independent school can they make it compulsory? Or would the same laws and rules apply?

If you the parent, or your older teen don’t consent, does the school have a right to deny you access to the premises? Or would that be illegal as a form of coercion?

Equally if the parent does not consent, but the older teen does because they will do anything to get back to school, and they think they’ll be excluded if they don’t test, is this also illegal as a form of coercion?

Just mulling over some thoughts for my next letter to the school, which will be drafted once the Government have played their full hand later.

428865 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #798 of 1871 🔗

The email from our school says its not compulsory.

428881 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to muzzle, 4, #799 of 1871 🔗

I hope that is the case with ours, but that’s not how they were playing it at Christmas time. The exam groups who were going back first (but never did) were all going to be tested, twice (once a few days before, and then again on the first day back) and you were not going to be let out of your room until you had the 2nd test. So as far as the kids were concerned it was compulsory. That’s what I mean about coercion, they didn’t really spell out that it was a choice. As you can imagine I did a lot of furious letter writing but it made no difference.

429001 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #800 of 1871 🔗

Ours are proposing to do testing of saliva. The kids have to spit in a pot at home as soon as they get up and then drop it in when they get to school. They do it twice a week. We won’t bother.

429190 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to muzzle, #801 of 1871 🔗


428877 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Fear is Finite, 15, #802 of 1871 🔗

My son flatly refused testing period. School asked us if we could persuade him, we said no and it’s not been mentioned again.

428903 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 5, #803 of 1871 🔗

You’re lucky, my kids are at an independent school and they’ve taken a hard line from the start “for the greater good” and the kids have been masked in lessons since last September. The non masked bubble system is house based rather than classroom based. It was literally, and I kid you not, just for 2 weeks at the beginning of September to be careful of all those people who’d been travelling over summer. Of course it became very much like 3 weeks to flatten the curve – it never stopped. I’ve written many furious letters but there’s only so much I can do, they are not babies and they are both in important exam years. My aim is to get the school to make clear in their correspondence that the testing is optional and not a condition of return, I believe they deliberately obfuscate this fact.

428926 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Fear is Finite, 7, #804 of 1871 🔗

That sounds awful. My son also refused to wear a mask after the first couple of weeks. School were very helpful and now he has a card he can show any staff member and school bus driver.
We went down the mental health route which was true, he’d have probably left if not.

428936 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #805 of 1871 🔗


428967 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #806 of 1871 🔗

BRILLIANT, give him my best regards and wishes; Obviously a young man who values freedom.
You must be very proud of him.

428985 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #807 of 1871 🔗

Will do. We are. He does his own research and makes decisions for himself. Also instrumental in getting us to cancel BBC licence too.

428885 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Fear is Finite, 11, #808 of 1871 🔗

Like a lot of things, the Gov (or Councils) try their best to subtly imply that something should be done, without actually saying so explicitly. This is deliberate and to give them plausible deniability.

No, medical interventions cannot be forced on somebody without consent, even more so if the person who wants the test – Headteacher, Principal, or whatever, – is not medically trained. They cannot also refuse access to premises or services, simply because you decline said test. Check out the UNESCO declaration of bioethics & human rights.
Perhaps some ideas to consider – ask the School for written proof that a test in the absence of clinical symptoms is proof of infection, perhaps also check out the testing provider in your area. Several are now stating on their websites and/or accompanying instructions, that the test should only be administered within 3-5 days of onset of symptoms. If the school is going against manufacturer’s advice, they ought to tell you why.

428907 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #809 of 1871 🔗

Thank you, that’s really helpful.

428872 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 36, #810 of 1871 🔗

Not a ‘conspiracy’ any more. The Lancet is finally publishing the facts about the PCR test:


Fragments of RNA can linger for weeks after infectious virus has been cleared, often in people without symptoms or known exposures.

However, for public health measures, another approach is needed. Testing to help slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2 asks not whether someone has RNA in their nose from earlier infection, but whether they are infectious today. It is a net loss to the health, social, and economic wellbeing of communities if post-infectious individuals test positive and isolate for 10 days. In our view, current PCR testing is therefore not the appropriate gold standard for evaluating a SARS-CoV-2 public health test. (my emphasis)

428912 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Basileus, 14, #811 of 1871 🔗

Didn’t Mike Yeardon get vilified last summer for saying that!

428919 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 14, #812 of 1871 🔗

The fact such bodies now roll out such statements without the slightest hint of apology, given what we knew as soon as PCR became the standard, shows you two things.

1. These people never suffer from the consequences of their actions

2. Their view of reality is very much different from yours. They are only now reporting this in a way which appears to suggest common knowledge. They are now ‘allowed’ to discuss it when the casedemic was in 2020. That’s when they should have been speaking up. Instead they ruined school for kids and destroyed businesses

429216 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Basileus, 2, #813 of 1871 🔗

Great spot!

In our view, the Birmingham study showed that PCR-positive asymptomatic students at a time of falling COVID-19 incidence had low viral loads compared with symptomatic members of the public attending testing centres and that LFT was working as expected.’

Dr Watson: ‘No shit……’

428883 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #814 of 1871 🔗

‘A mass screening programme of more than 10 million residents of Wuhan, China, performed after SARS-CoV-2 was brought under control, has identified 300 asymptomatic cases of covid-19, none of which was infectious’


YES this isn’t new, but why don’t we hear more about it? Still they use superspreader asymptomatic infections as a reason not to unlock. It’s just about all they’ve got. And yet it comes from an Imperial and SAGE-approved source. The BMJ & the CCP. Ferguson went straight to the CCP for lockdown advice, but not for unlocking advice. I’d send it to the BBC, but they don’t understand English. Too colonial.

428961 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #815 of 1871 🔗

Asymptomatic spread is the key to all the restrictions. Muzzles, anti-SD hinge entirely on this unproven canard. Those road walking ninnies taught to treat everyone else on the pavement as lepers wouldn’t have a leg to stand on anymore (especially if a bus hits them.)

428989 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #816 of 1871 🔗

Funnily enough “asymptomatic” appears to equal “well” who would have thought it

428897 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #817 of 1871 🔗

You’ll find nothing in here about suppression of alternative treatments. Lancet says 40% of US covid deaths preventable.


This is one truly crappy article

428921 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #818 of 1871 🔗

Ahh the gold standard of medical science. What next? An article on Love Island contestants contribution to cosmetic surgery?

428963 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #819 of 1871 🔗

Or the contestants on I’m a celebrity, etc giving advice on how to keep and maintain a low profile?

428988 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #820 of 1871 🔗

Henry Markle already got that stitched up though

428902 fla56, 2, #821 of 1871 🔗

I’m afraid Prof Ferguson is perhaps not entirely correct to claim Swedish estimates are not based on his models as the authors of the Swedish report in fact reference him and his models…


428910 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 23, #822 of 1871 🔗

The [mandatory] vaccine concept and the Andrews Government were booed by the crowd at the Australian Open.


428922 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Basileus, 5, #823 of 1871 🔗

If you read the comments sections after any article on the ”vaccine roll out” on Sky News Australia, people seem to be overwhelmingly against this.

428920 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #825 of 1871 🔗

The counterargument would be that a lot of them might only have had the jab recently, having already “contracted covid”. As time passes that will be less and less true. If the govt was remotely interested in public health, truth or working out the impact of the vaccine they would be publishing stats that included how many “cases” and “deaths” and “hospitalisations” related to covid where concerning people who have had the vaccine, with some indication of the timing. But they are not interested.

One of the problems is that those who have been vaccinated may well test positive with a PCR test run at high sensitivity, whereas the vaccine is only meant to alleviate symptoms – but the covid stats do not make any use of data related to covid related symptoms – making them pretty worthless.

428940 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 7, #826 of 1871 🔗

… and the underlying problem remains : the obfuscation of the terms ‘Covid infections’ and ‘Covid deaths’.

This prevents any proper analysis in any related area, and why we have to resort to all-cause mortality to get any accurate picture of what is going on.

428943 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to RickH, 3, #827 of 1871 🔗

Spot on and has been from the very start!

428970 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Julian, 1, #828 of 1871 🔗

Yes, I’ve seen the “however they recently contracted Covid” excuse coming up repeatedly.

429158 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to PoshPanic, #829 of 1871 🔗

It’s the new ‘wait two weeks’

428929 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #830 of 1871 🔗

Fake news
No-one has ever died form a vaccine in the history of the world

428937 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #831 of 1871 🔗

Hooray for Pfizer-Jesus!

428915 DanClarke, 9, #832 of 1871 🔗

Re the exchanges with Ferguson, still think, primarily, he is touting for business for his new labs and the Imperial College, bringing in the grants at all costs. Excellent views from the LS emailer

428916 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #833 of 1871 🔗

Reading the BBC live feed is like reading some kind of mad comedy script. Why bother writing satirical pieces on here when you can scrape it out of the BBC. Like these examples:

  • Sylvia, a hairdresser in Middlesbrough, says she is happy to wait to reopen to keep people safe. “It’s the price we have to pay financially, emotionally and hair-wise,” she says.
  • Nippy: “I would think that while our plans out of lockdown will not be identical – they are already not identical because we have got some kids back at school today. “So they will not be identical but I think there will be broad similarities.” “Clearly we will make our own judgements about the particular order and the particular timing of that because the data is not identical in each of the four nations,” she says.
  • Sir Clearly bonkers: “I feel like a broken record on this, I’m slightly frustrated. “Back in September I said to the government, have a plan, if you’re going to get children back you need ventilation, you need proper testing. “I have always said Nightingale classrooms. If you can put them up for hospitals, if you need more space in your schools, put your Nightingale classrooms up.
428932 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to godowneasy, 8, #834 of 1871 🔗

Every single one financially insulated from the effects of this shitshow, no doubt.

I don’t think ‘Sylvia’ is just starting out in her hairdressing career, somehow.

428980 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #835 of 1871 🔗

Perhaps, since Sylvia is happy to pay the price, she could donate some of her money to the young and unemployed?

Thought not.

428917 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 25, #836 of 1871 🔗

Did I just read somewhere that all those huge ”dangerous” gatherings on beaches, marches, etc, last summer resulted in no increase in infections whatsoever?

And wasn’t there something about studies in the US showing that large gatherings in sports venues yielded the same (non)result?

428925 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Banjones, 15, #837 of 1871 🔗

Yep. It won’t make any difference to policy of course.

428934 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #838 of 1871 🔗

Pubs/restaurants accounted for a minimal number of “infections” but were shut down. Far more infections received in hospitals than the hospitality sector yet the latter is closed to protect the former.

428956 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Banjones, 2, #839 of 1871 🔗

Come on Banjones, don’t let the truth spoil it for the collaborating sheep.

428930 Ewan Duffy, 1, #840 of 1871 🔗


Another batch of weasel words from the Irish Coup leaders, sorry, Government.

However, I do note the interesting choice of photo accompanying the article!

428935 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 19, #841 of 1871 🔗

The msm headlines today ” jabs reduce hospital admissions”. The two vaccines used in the UK have only been around for a couple of months. The trials only showed a reduction in mild symptoms for some people- a tiny % when you look at absolute figures. We have been under restrictions and lockdowns since the vaccination rollout. Those vaccinated so far (mainly the elderly), will have not have been out and about in any meaningful way such that they would catch anything at all. So regardless of whether you are a cynic or not, as a matter of common sense the vaccine cannot be the reason for a reduction in hospital admissions. The vaccinated have not been out and about to contract anything, for the vaccine to do “it’s magic work” and reduce symptoms. Some lockdown supporters will argue it’s lockdown then that is the success. Only a success at suppressing until you go out again. There is ample evidence to show that lockdowns do not work and do far more harm than good. So why a reduction in cases and admissions? As we all know coronaviruses are seasonal- usually only last approx 3-4 mths, so as we are near to Spring a natural seasonal reduction likely?. One wonders also might the PCR cycle threshold have been quietly reduced?

428950 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Suzyv, 7, #842 of 1871 🔗

Serious question – how many people were being admitted to hospital with ‘it’.

I will wager very few, somebody admitted with a heart attack, appendicitis etc with a (false)+ PCR test is not a case.

Yes, it’s entirely feasible to quietly reduce PCR cycles and brand the big V as a success.

My real concern (bearing in mind at least one of my parents has had 1 dose) is next winter and Antibody-dependent enhancement.

428952 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Suzyv, 6, #843 of 1871 🔗

The absolute number of PCR tests conducted in the UK has, quietly, been very significantly reduced. The daily number of PCR tests conducted reached a peak on 8 January 2021. On that day, 544,657 PCR tests were carried out. On 18 February 2021, 333,398 PCR tests were conducted which is a reduction of 38.8 per cent of the peak number on 8 January.
See: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

428953 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 8, #844 of 1871 🔗

Never mind zero Covid, what we want is ZERO testing.

429015 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #845 of 1871 🔗

I commented on this on the previous blog entry late last night, querying why fewer people were presenting themselves for testing. The decline in testing is interesting and I don’t have an answer.

428977 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Suzyv, 1, #846 of 1871 🔗

Scroll down to the chart of covid positive hospital ‘admissions’ by age band in the senior doctor writes article


Does it look like experimental vaccination has reduced relative admissions in the over 85s vs other age groups? It doesn’t to me.

That’s from the Admissions by Age Group spreadsheet at the bottom at 11th Feb 2021 found below


428938 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #847 of 1871 🔗

EXC: Tony Blair has been co-ordinating travel industry efforts to ensure vaccine passports for travel are in tomorrow’s roadmap. Former PM has been working with bosses of the likes of BA, Heathrow & Saga and promised to use his contacts in govt to try to make sure this happens.

Blair held talks with industry leaders this week and expressed fears the idea would slip if it’s not included in the roadmap announced by the PM tomorrow. Wants UK to lead efforts via G7 presidency. Industry already looking at how it would work in practice. More on @lbc now.


428944 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, 13, #848 of 1871 🔗

If Miranda’s for it, I’m agin’ it.

428957 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 13, #849 of 1871 🔗

He’s obsessed with it, nothing to do with saving lives though, not after his war mongering days

428966 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Victoria, 14, #850 of 1871 🔗

I wish Tony Blair would just fuck off.

428975 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liz F, 7, #851 of 1871 🔗


429067 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Liz F, 3, #852 of 1871 🔗

and die.

428971 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 6, #853 of 1871 🔗

The best thing glory hole Blair can do is keep talking
The gimp is toxic

428978 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #854 of 1871 🔗

Even the most sheep-like of people I have spoken to are realising something is up when this psycho is involved.

428987 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 4, #855 of 1871 🔗

Poundland Bill Gates

429025 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Victoria, 2, #856 of 1871 🔗

Do you think Blair will ever get tired of evil?

429459 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to mattghg, 1, #857 of 1871 🔗

Reminds me of the evil eyes poster. New Labour New Danger. How did they know?

428946 l835, 4, #858 of 1871 🔗

Doctor Doctor, I can’t the difference between Boris’ backside and a letter box”

“No problem, here’s a big box of pills”

“How many do I take?”

“You don’t take them, you post them!”

428954 Anti_socialist, 9, #859 of 1871 🔗

Glorious sun, bitter wind, it is the Scottish Highlands so ya know, anyway went to do my stuff (mill was open) saw no masks, little kids playing hugging chasing each other in an infants school playground, mill owner acting as if there is no plague, taking cash as always, only difference I noticed was less traffic, the humans one – SNP-Blackford (bastard) neil.

CHANNEL 4 (where expressing an opinion is classed as mental illness) Poo….
The DARK FUTURE Of Health Passports Hugo Talks

Who do you trust? Not ffffing C4.

428962 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 13, #860 of 1871 🔗

Boris apparently thinks Winston Churchill was great. I do wish he would grow some testicular strength and speak this afternoon with the same determination as his predecessor. Based on the fact that he won’t here’s the speech I would deliver to him.

we shall fight to open our small businesses,
we shall fight to see our families once again,
we shall fight to sing inside our churches,
we shall fight to protect our children from your vaccine,
we shall fight to save us from your endless testing,
we shall fight to go swimming and to go to gyms,
we shall fight to visit relatives in care homes,
we shall fight to get rid of masks,
we shall fight to get rid of social distancing,
we shall fight to save our Pubs and restaurants;
we shall fight to show hospitality in our homes again,
we shall fight for our freedom,
we shall never surrender,

429130 ▶▶ caravaggio57, replying to Liberty, #861 of 1871 🔗

Re-posted from above

428965 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 62, #862 of 1871 🔗

Warning – rant alert. The leaked roadmap is just hilarious! I’ve only just looked at it properly It’s literally unbelievable. Travel outside your local area could be allowed in April? IT’S ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED IT’S JUST GUIDANCE!! Rule of six lifted indoors in June?! People waiting to be told when they can sit on a f*cking bench and have a cup of coffee? And genuinely believing that it will suddenly become “safe” overnight because Boris said so?

I will be travelling 150 miles to visit my parents, indoors and overnight, at Easter just like I did at Christmas (because I did not for one minute believe that our benevolent government would allow us to have Christmas at Easter as promised). But the majority are just sitting around accepting this bollox month after month after month EVEN WITH THE F*CKING VACCINE?

Please tell me that more people than I think are saying stuff the rules and doing it anyway, because otherwise I am going to sink into despair.

428972 ▶▶ Hawkins_94, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #863 of 1871 🔗

I think a) there are more lockdown sceptics by the day and b) a significant numbre of lockdowners frequently break the rules as and when they see fit but are up in arms when their neighbour does.

So yes, I hope most will be taking these rules with a pinch of salt and as a population we’ll make our own roadmap – which no doubt will be slower than we’d like on this site but quicker than the official version

429016 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Hawkins_94, 12, #864 of 1871 🔗

Point b) is exactly what Charles Walker said when it was put to him in BBC Radio 4 World at One interview that most people support the lockdown. He said something like, “Yes, they support it for other people”.

429382 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mattghg, 5, #865 of 1871 🔗

I love Charles Walker, I truly do.

428976 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #866 of 1871 🔗

It is hard to tell because what we have to go on are anecdotes, personal experience and what you can garner from comments on articles, videos etc (with no way of knowing if any of it is true).

However, anecdotally, most of the people I know, colleagues, friends and family have all ‘broken the rules’ during this lockdown and when the that tier crap was in place. So that’s around 40 people I know for sure to have done so in varying degrees. Hopefully most people on here can say the same, that they know at least a handful of people if not more who are saying “stuff the rules”.

429021 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to EssieSW, 4, #867 of 1871 🔗

Total adherence to the rules is impossible anyway. Even the implementers of them get caught out occasionally. It is more than just hypocrisy – it just cannot be done.

429033 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to EssieSW, 8, #868 of 1871 🔗

If it were really a dangerous disease then they wouldn’t have.

I HATE this country. I HATE its smugness, too. They really think they are the best.

I enjoyed seeing the tepid on this matter Spiked trying to square their belief in the ordinary people for their Brexit wisdom and so on and then seeing how the same people supported the most tyrannical government of all time.

428981 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to A. Contrarian, 23, #869 of 1871 🔗

I’m already there. Despair, alternates with rage, sadness, numbness. Just going through the motions most days. The level of compliance is astonishing, even when you point out what they’re doing, all the lies and u-turns, all the conflicts of interest, all the science around viruses ‘so you’re a COVID denier then?’……’no I’m not denying it, I’m pointing out they’ve always existed and we’ve always had to get on with it, it’s a respiratory disease, you know like the common cold…blah blah blah’…….it’s pointless, they’re brainwashed by the constant propaganda.

I do know that where this is going I don’t want to be there. Can’t take much more.

429006 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #870 of 1871 🔗

Don’t give up Andrea, WE WILL WIN.

429062 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #871 of 1871 🔗

Id love to emigrate only there is nowhere to escape this madness.

429457 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #872 of 1871 🔗

Summers coming, the natural human desire to get out, meet, and be bloody normal will create a groundswell , so do not lose hope.

429520 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #873 of 1871 🔗

im finding more and more sceptics people everyday,i wasn’t going into any stores for weeks at a time because of the true believers and the masks but ventured in to 2 and guess what met 3 more sceptics there !

maybe i will s tart going shopping again just to meet more sceptics and also to make sure no one gives in about the poison vaccine i sure wont

428983 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to A. Contrarian, 20, #874 of 1871 🔗

Numbers are growing. We’re just ahead of the curve. Just watch. The Police won’t be able to do a damn thing.

428984 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to A. Contrarian, 16, #875 of 1871 🔗

I’ve been seeing my sister and her family who live about 40 miles away, every 2-3 weeks since June last year. My brother and his wife have been coming to see me and hub every 2-3 weeks since last autumn. So yes, I have been saying stuff the rules (quietly) for some time. Not trying to sound clever or kick-ass or anything, it’s the only way we could all get through this shitfest.

428994 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to A. Contrarian, 24, #876 of 1871 🔗

This weekend – drove 7 miles to workshop and worked on classic bike restoration along with 5 others doing various mechanicey blokey stuff. Drove 75 mile round trip to see my Dad and watch the Burnley match with him. Won’t do that again, rugby only from now on. Sunday worked on different bike in garage whilst wife and eldest drove 20 mile to dance round a tree with about 20 other people. Then drove 30 mile round trip to pick up some spare wheels for car I bought off ebay and on the way visited a friend who’d just bought two 1960’s BSA motocycles and had a good chat with him and his wife in the garage.
Had to make my own brews throughout.

Stuff the rules.

429009 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to A. Contrarian, #877 of 1871 🔗

Travel outside your local area could be allowed in April? IT’S ALWAYS BEEN ALLOWED IT’S JUST GUIDANCE!!”

No, sadly it’s not guidance unless you have a “reasonable excuse”

From: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay-at-home?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae#when-you-can-leave-home

“You must not leave or be outside of your home except where you have a ‘reasonable excuse’. This is the law . The police can take action against you if you leave home without a ‘reasonable excuse’, and issue you with a fine (Fixed Penalty Notice).” [my emphasis]

I’m not saying that I agree with it but the key is to have a “reasonable excuse”.

429377 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #878 of 1871 🔗

And you can refuse to accept or pay a fixed penalty and wait for your day in court.

429387 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #879 of 1871 🔗

But the local area bit is guidance isn’t it? So it doesn’t matter how far you go as long as you have a reasonable excuse?

429029 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #880 of 1871 🔗

It’s difficult to have respect for the stupid masses unless they have respect for themselves. But we CAN’T sit here feeling superior, as these fucking totalitarian loving cunts will drag us down with.

So long as we make visible protests in the coming few months, we will be able to reverse this totalitarian order. If we can get MILLIONS on the streets, then the critical mass will move in our direction.

There are filthy totalitarians in all societies waiting to crawl out. BASTARD Auschwitz guards and such.

429056 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #881 of 1871 🔗

I decided some weeks ago to ignore all rules. Of course we are still limited to places to go as nothing is open. I’m looking forward visiting our garden centre which opens on 1 March. How bloody marvellous!!

429054 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anti_socialist, #883 of 1871 🔗

I love UKCN! Its fantastic.

428979 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 54, #884 of 1871 🔗

Dear Covidians,

I do not consent to masks.
I do not consent to tests.
I do not consent to vaccines.
I do not consent to being told who I can see in my own home.

That’s me. You do what’s right for you.

I do not tell you that your masks, your isolation rules, your vaccine propaganda, your distancing needs all constitute a vile, selfish intrusion on my life and liberty. So don’t you dare tell me my choices impact yours.

You do not have more rights than me.

Stay sane!

Yours sincerely,
A Civilian

428990 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 27, #885 of 1871 🔗

Plus I do not consent to being made to feel I can’t walk past you on the pavement. If you want to walk on the road or in the mud don’t expect any thanks because you are doing it for yourself not me.

428982 JohnB, 4, #886 of 1871 🔗


Good enough to merit a repost ! 🙂

428986 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #887 of 1871 🔗

What do you think the reaction will be, when the sheep discover that the road map only shows a cul-de-sac with a no entry sign at the only exit onto the main road.

428991 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Richy_m_99, 20, #888 of 1871 🔗

Judging by DM readers top rated comments today, they will be non too pleased. The dam of blind obedience is beginning to fracture.

429005 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 5, #889 of 1871 🔗


429014 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #890 of 1871 🔗

Don’t worry, Gates et al will have something else up their sleeves. A nice little bioterror coming our way, probably.

429036 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to isobar, 6, #891 of 1871 🔗

The last few months, talking to friends & acquaintances, as well as what I’ve overheard in banks, & supermarkets, always the same thing: hey looking forward to March April, ‘when we’ll all be back to normal.’ some people are literally counting down the days…yes, any deviation from this, I do think that a lot more people will start to wonder.

429050 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #892 of 1871 🔗

They should be incandescent with rage, I live in hope!

428993 Suet, replying to Suet, 20, #893 of 1871 🔗

Says the Speccy in its ‘lunchtime briefing’: Vaccines are having a significant effect on the risk of hospitalisation in Scotland, according to a new study. The first dose of the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs reduced the risk by 85% and 94% respectively after four weeks.

If this was the actual case, then the vulnerable among us have been protected, and lockdown – all of it – can be lifted immediately. But it won’t be, so you have to ask: why not?

429046 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Suet, 3, #894 of 1871 🔗

I laughed loudly when I read that piece of drivel.

429051 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Suet, 2, #895 of 1871 🔗

Vaccinations in the UK are driving down deaths across the world.

428995 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 44, #896 of 1871 🔗

Oh my god, Charles Walker MP is an absolute hero.

So I wrote to him on Friday, a heartfelt letter telling him my story and what this government has done to me. He has replied. In person and on the SAME DAY with a lovely kind response that means a hell of a lot to me.

I’m annoyed that I’ve only just found it in my junk folder. This man needs to be PM. Seriously. He’s a good man and he’s fighting for us.

Katabasis, have you heard anything back from your excellent letter to him?

429030 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #897 of 1871 🔗

Legend. I wrote to him last year, just a short thank you note after something he said in particular about mental health, about a week or two later he insisted on replying personally, and I received a short but personal and specific thank you, in reply. A genuinely decent man.

429045 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #898 of 1871 🔗

I wrote to Graham Brady not as an MP but as his being leader of the 22 Committee. All I got was a thank you for your email. (end)

429064 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Bella Donna, #899 of 1871 🔗

Me too

429233 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #900 of 1871 🔗

I had the same, a personal reply tailored to my letter. Amazing.

428996 leggy, replying to leggy, 11, #901 of 1871 🔗

So it seems secondary school kids will be required to wear a mask in class!

Does anyone have a link to the German survey on the effects reported there?

429008 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to leggy, 16, #902 of 1871 🔗

What is it with masks? Why have people latched onto these useless totems?

I think I may have partly answered my own question there.

429013 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #903 of 1871 🔗

They are not just useless but potentially dangerous. A German neuroscientist has warned of the potential long term effects of these facemasks on early Alzheimers or even reduced cognitive ability. Breathing in Carbon Dioxide as well as the danger of bacterial infection.

ANY parent who sends their kids to these cunting schools must HATE their own children and want them brain damaged and ill, as well as indoctrinated by useless and overpaid fuckwing teachers.

429023 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #904 of 1871 🔗

While I would never have sent my kids to school in masks, my daughter who is almost finished teacher’s college said the kids at her placement were just so glad to be back at school and with their friends that they put up with it mostly without complaint. That actually made me very sad.

429031 ▶▶▶ Slatey, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #905 of 1871 🔗

As much use as lucky underpants!

429119 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #906 of 1871 🔗

according to supposedly intelligent colleagues, “don’t you know, it’s a no-brainer, surgeons wear them so they must work”. idiots.

429142 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to A Heretic, 4, #907 of 1871 🔗

Send them Dr Neil Orr’s report from 1980 about his 6 month experience not using masks while operating at Severall hospital.

Post-operative infections halved.

Repeated in quite a few studies since then.

429148 ▶▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #908 of 1871 🔗

I know that, you know that, but try and convince the idiots of that. I made the mistake of sending people links to the studies once. The only response I got was “you just get your information from all those crazy conspiracy sites”.

429173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to A Heretic, 3, #909 of 1871 🔗

Mad aren’t they?

I was told that once, showed them itactually came from the BBC and they still wouldn’t believe.

I can’t be bothered discussing with the idiots anymore, don’t even try and help those who are struggling bretahing through their muzzle, if after 8 months they still haven’t had the gumption to check the exemptions for themselves they are beyond and not worth saving.

429185 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to A Heretic, 2, #910 of 1871 🔗

A classic fallacious argument, “Well, if masks don’t work, then why do surgeons wear them?”


429205 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to A Heretic, 2, #911 of 1871 🔗

Surgical masks don’t stop viruses. It says so on the boxes they’re supplied in. That’s the real no-brainer.

429200 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #912 of 1871 🔗

It’s political.
A lobby group called Masks4all managed to persuade the WHO and others to adopt the policy of mask-wearing among the public, where all the evidence and official public statements were that masks were mainly ineffective.

429017 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to leggy, 7, #913 of 1871 🔗

Kids below grade 4 were supposed to be exempted from wearing masks and the school boards forced it anyway, so school kids here of all ages have been masked in the classroom since September. By the time the class action suit is filed and heard I suspect these kids will be in high school (and probably still masked). Child abuse on a grand scale.

429043 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #914 of 1871 🔗

Well and truly Trudeaued then- I feel for you , while viewing you as our canary in the coal mine 👀

429028 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 6, #915 of 1871 🔗

Parents should ensure that the school knows that their children are exempt from wearing a mask.

The reduction in oxygen will lead to low grade brain damage especially as their brains are developing – these children will never reach their full potential.

In addition the children will experience trauma and anxiety

429144 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 3, #916 of 1871 🔗

That’s the plan.

429040 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 6, #917 of 1871 🔗

No parent should allow their children to be masked, its abuse.

429197 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to leggy, #920 of 1871 🔗

There’s this article, with plenty of links within it:

Unmasking the Medical Experts
By Brian C.Joondeph, MD

“Could the requirement to wear masks in public to prevent the spread of the coronavirus be doing more harm than good to people’s health?
A retired neurosurgeon believes so, pointing toward studies which found that wearing masks for prolonged periods can cause serious side effects.”

428997 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #921 of 1871 🔗

Are the way the PCR test swabs being anaysed changing? Found this on the Government’s website about a new analysis machine they have been testing out:


Also states in it the tests were run against RT-OCR analysis “all samples tested ( CT less than 40 by real-time PCR comparator).”

And from a recent FOI I got back:

“While the threshold maximum of many PCR tests is 40 cycles, i t is for the test manufacturer to determine whether more than 40 cycles is appropriate for their test. Determination of the absolute number of cycles is for the manufacturer to define as part of their evidence for CE approval and not for PHE or Government.”

Maybe that test kit manufacturer I was in contact with about this has had a quiet word with otehr manufactureres and they’ve toned it down a bit without telling anyone as Government claim in writing the number of cycles is nothing to do with them – even though this contradicts a previous answer from the test kit manufacturer.

428999 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #922 of 1871 🔗

Good work. the thick plottens! 🙂

429004 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #923 of 1871 🔗

Smucking fart!

429095 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #924 of 1871 🔗

I’ve just had another FOI back from PHE about the 45 Ct cycles (they’ve been slow in answering) and have no idea about who sets what.

But they did send a few links to the latest Governemnt webpages about testing kits etc and I’m working through them but found this statement from one updated last week:


Methods not using invasive swabs are desirable due to the individuals discomfort, pre-analytical errors.”

So the preferred method of a stick into the brain to be stopped then?

But one interesting link they sent was this one:


Not that hard to self-declare as a testing provider then is it? Set-up, get a contract in place with someone who meets their standard and hey presto, off you go. That’s it.

429000 Samhurt, replying to Samhurt, 41, #925 of 1871 🔗

It’s been nearly a year. Almost nothing has gotten better. Almost everyone is a coward and a potential informant. The professions are populated by apparatchiks and State functionaries. The State isn’t even trying to hide anymore the evil that it gets up to as a matter of course. Experts are just priests. Entertainers are courtiers. Academics are nothing more than intellectual valets for global bureaucracy. Doctors and scientists with rare exceptions are nothing more than mercenaries and technicians for Industry. Art is mediocre at best, propaganda mostly. Our culture is being China’d out from under us with a sprinkling of Arab funny-money and Anglophone biosurveillance robot-body-horror to round out the Dark Age vibes. None of us have been able to do anything except bear witness to civilization’s sighing collapse alone (commisserating all the while with other sympathetic witnesses, usually online); that or we get our noses punched in at rallies, get our suits thrown out of court oftentimes without being heard, get thrown in the clink for not wearing a rabbit’s foot charm where required etc; we have never been more powerless, more surveilled, more impotent, more cornered. And yet nothing continues to happen except the worst things that could possibly happen aside from nuclear extinction.

Maybe extinction is preferable to living on one’s knees.

429038 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Samhurt, 15, #926 of 1871 🔗

This is never going to end until people stop complying!

429041 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #927 of 1871 🔗

Yep – you can probably leave off the last 4 words.

429430 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Samhurt, 1, #928 of 1871 🔗

Maybe extinction is preferable to living on one’s knees.

That may well be the case, but it’s what the government wants so not an option.

429010 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 14, #929 of 1871 🔗

These posters appeared today at work, in the skip I think.

429012 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #930 of 1871 🔗

And this one

429186 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #931 of 1871 🔗

That fucking ‘work colleagues’ tautology drives me mad. Colleagues. COLLEAGUES you wankers.

429024 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #932 of 1871 🔗


So tired of their lies (radio advertisements now these posters):

Around 1 in 3 people who have Covid-19 have no symptoms and can spread it without knowing

429011 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 10, #933 of 1871 🔗

Anyone ordering their turkeys yet? Remember Boris promised us we could celebrate Christmas at Easter.

429020 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to ThomasT, 9, #934 of 1871 🔗

Is that the same Boris who promised that the lockdown restrictions were just for three weeks?

429022 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to ThomasT, 10, #935 of 1871 🔗

Got my turkey for one already – yum.

429026 ▶▶ DRW, replying to ThomasT, 5, #936 of 1871 🔗

Or that LD2 was to “save Christmas”

429117 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to ThomasT, 2, #937 of 1871 🔗

We’ve still got half a turkey that we put in the freezer at Christmas when we realised we’d be on our own. It will come out for Easter and there will be more than two of us eating it!

429018 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #938 of 1871 🔗

Is there any way that the Blair ID agenda can be stopped

429034 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 7, #939 of 1871 🔗

Unfortunately not.
Tony Blair is a cottage industry

429037 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 12, #940 of 1871 🔗

Only by violence.

429042 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #941 of 1871 🔗

Sounds like a plan

429082 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #942 of 1871 🔗

Count me in.

429019 DRW, 23, #943 of 1871 🔗

“Big day”? It’s just a bloody Clown Show, full of more pathetic concessions to keep this going into the summer, most of which are hinted or briefed through MSM beforehand anyway. Yaay. And even then they can just announce a new Antarctic mutant to keep the goalposts moving.

A whole year and the majority are still letting this shit go on, as Solzhenitsyn basically said about Stalin’s Russia, we deserved it all, we didn’t love freedom enough.

429035 mattghg, 18, #944 of 1871 🔗

It’s fucking rich for rat face to wring his hands about the “politicization of science”, when by his own admission he was instrumental in getting policies adopted that were previously unthinkable (and should have stayed that way).

429044 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 38, #945 of 1871 🔗

We took our children to my parents to stay over half term. My mother has since received a text from a neighbour saying “a little bird tells me you had your grandchildren to stay”, followed by a list of all the rules we/they had broken. How sinister and depressing is that. Obviously my 80+ year old parents are now paranoid and upset.

429047 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Adamb, 22, #946 of 1871 🔗


429055 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Adamb, 21, #947 of 1871 🔗

As she’s had a text presumably she knows which neighbour it was. I f I were you I’d be knocking on their door and having a polite chat about harassment with a few Stasi references thrown in for good measure.

Far be it for me to risk invoking the increasingly dangerous Godwin’s Law, but we all like to think that we’d have sheltered Anne Frank but the truth is a large % of Brits would have called the Gestapo at the first opportunity!

429124 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #948 of 1871 🔗

They’d have been drawing maps with her exact location.

429058 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Adamb, 18, #949 of 1871 🔗

Your parents should have told the neighbour to go FUCK THEMSELVES !!! It’s what I did to two of mine that meddled in MY business

429073 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Harry Chara, 16, #950 of 1871 🔗

Correct..the last time my neighbour took it upon himself to explain which rules I broke i told him to fuck off.And if he calls the police just to keep it in my mind that I’m a combat veteran with a CPTSD so I can be very violent from time to time..

429059 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Adamb, 9, #951 of 1871 🔗

Tell them to print this off and post it through the wankers door.


429060 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Adamb, 10, #952 of 1871 🔗

I would write a polite note, tie it to a rock and lob it through their bloody window – I don’t break roolz, I break pains (sic) 🤨

429066 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Adamb, 9, #953 of 1871 🔗

My reply would be very short and sweet: Fuck off!

429069 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Adamb, 10, #954 of 1871 🔗

Evil bastards !,if a neighbour did that to my parents I would make it my mission to ensure the rest of their miserable lives is very unpleasant.

429071 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Adamb, 8, #955 of 1871 🔗

That neighbour’s taking a risk outing themselves as stasi.

429075 ▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to Adamb, 6, #956 of 1871 🔗

That is so awful. Your poor parents.

429094 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Adamb, 19, #957 of 1871 🔗

Make up some A4 posters. Have it read:

WARNING! The people at (insert address) are grasses.

Stick them up all around the neighbourhood.

Nobody likes a grass.

429099 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, 2, #958 of 1871 🔗

Like it 😁

429122 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, 3, #959 of 1871 🔗

snitches get stitches

429285 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ceriain, 2, #960 of 1871 🔗

Yes that’s better than my idea of a flaming dog turd.

429102 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Adamb, 7, #961 of 1871 🔗

Oh my god, this is horrific. Your poor parents. These fuckers have been the most depressing thing about this whole shitshow.

429107 ▶▶ caravaggio57, replying to Adamb, 4, #962 of 1871 🔗

Perhaps send them a copy of “Hitler’s Willing Executioners’ as a thank you

429113 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Adamb, 3, #963 of 1871 🔗

Burning alive is too good for loathsome scum like them.

429115 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Adamb, 5, #964 of 1871 🔗

What a fucking cheek! I don’t suppose your Mum sent this reply “Have you nothing better to do than curtain twitch? and anyway, a little bird says mind your own business.”

429123 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Adamb, 5, #965 of 1871 🔗

Good grief…those neighbors are utter sociopaths!

429136 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Adamb, 5, #966 of 1871 🔗

Get your mother to text back and point out that there are exemptions, for example for mental health reasons, and for childcare. And then follow Cerain’s advice further up/down re the posters. Bastards.

429137 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Adamb, 6, #967 of 1871 🔗

Has your mother tested back?
“You mind your business, I will mind mine.”

429141 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Adamb, 6, #968 of 1871 🔗

What a bloody nerve! One of my neighbours no longer speaks to me but anther invited me around (we had something that had to be discussed) and in her text assured me they would wear masks or visors. I replied that I ‘don’t do masks or visors’ and the reply was to ‘come as we are as they don’t either’!!! Result! I was shocked to hear that, although my neighbour had Covid-19 last spring and still has antibodies, she is still being offered the vaccine. This is madness. They love foreign holidays so will probably have the death elixir but I explained my views on it. Madness!!!

429254 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Adamb, 1, #969 of 1871 🔗

Perhaps they’d like a German shepherd shitting in their front garden? Although I’m half German, and I have no sheep!

429280 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Adamb, 1, #970 of 1871 🔗

I think a flaming dog turd shoved through their letterbox might be in order.

429768 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Adamb, #971 of 1871 🔗

Is there any chance Bruce Reynolds and his bro’s live nearby? I hear they are particularly apt at dealing with Stasi wankers…

429048 Ceriain, 16, #972 of 1871 🔗

Interesting: He just gave an actual number for the effectiveness of the Pfizer vax (75%), but would only say that the AZ vax provides a “good” level of protection – no number given.

I read that as it’s not as effective as they have been claiming.

Also, as I predicted in a previous post; Johnson has got himself a new SAGE model and he’s using that to guide him and his roadmap. He then goes on to say decisions will be based on the evidence. Fat twat can’t do both!

Sorry, chaps, not watching any more of this.

429052 jonathan Palmer, 13, #973 of 1871 🔗

Johnson’s 4 tests are just like Gordon Browns 5 tests.A political mechanism to produce the right political outcome.
A once great country reduced to this charade.

429053 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #974 of 1871 🔗

Boris Johnson has just told the House of Commons that no vaccine is one hundred percent effective. I wonder if he has heard of polio?

429063 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #975 of 1871 🔗

He probably hasn’t thought much about viruses and vaccinations. Why would he? I don’t think he has ever taken a serious interest in covid, only in the politics of it.

429089 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #976 of 1871 🔗

Strangely enough Steve, talking about the Polio jabs during the 50’s and 60’s, for those who can remember, you had 3 jabs; well I only had 2 out of the 3 because of a dysfunctional family background (9 schools in 5 years), I just got lost in the system.
I suppose now that I’m 72, it’s a bit late now to enquire about my 3rd dose; still, in the words of Meat loaf: “2 out of 3 ain’t bad”.

429129 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #977 of 1871 🔗

Most cases of polio nowadays are caused by the vaccine.
Smallpox is probably a better example. That has been eliminated (except for occasional laboratory infections), but is the only viral disease that has, as far as I know.
No corona virus has been eliminated with vaccines. No successful vaccine has been produced before for corona viruses.
We’ll see whether these latest vaccines are the first….

429266 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #978 of 1871 🔗

But hasn’t Influenza been eradicated? LOL!

429061 stevie, replying to stevie, 12, #979 of 1871 🔗

And the opposition wants even more lockdown:

Forty MPs have signed a Commons early day motion tabled by the Labour leftwinger Richard Burgon calling for the government to “adopt a zero Covid plan that seeks the maximum suppression of the virus as the best way to save lives and allow our communities and the economy to safely reopen”. It cites New Zealand and Vietnam as examples of countries where this approach has kept the death rate down, while allowing the economy to reopen. Among the signatories are MPs from Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru, the SDLP and the Greens.

429070 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to stevie, 7, #980 of 1871 🔗

New Zealand will NEVER reopen! However I would heartily support an increase of 40 on tomorrow’s death toll.

429080 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to stevie, 6, #981 of 1871 🔗

There is absolutely nothing stopping Rag, Tag, and Bobtail and their friends taking themselves off to an isolated island somewhere far away and testing their crackpot theory.

In fact I’d contribute to their one way ticketS.

429174 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to stevie, 1, #982 of 1871 🔗

It just shows what utter morons they are.

429278 ▶▶ mj, replying to stevie, 2, #983 of 1871 🔗

Richard Burgon has the intellectual capacity of a used condom .

429065 stevie, replying to stevie, 5, #984 of 1871 🔗

The government is investigating the use of “Covid status certificates” to help allow society to reopen, Boris Johnson has announced, as he set out a cautious, four-step unlocking plan that will see some sectors remain shuttered until June.
Ministers have repeatedly denied they would consider the domestic use of so-called vaccine passports, fearing they posed risks of discrimination, with some groups unable to receive the coronavirus jab.
But as part of the government’s roadmap out of England’s national lockdown, a review will be carried out to assess whether certificates could allow restrictions to be lifted more safely. It is expected to report before June.
The keenly awaited roadmap, which the government insists will be dependent on “data, not dates”, lays out a four-step reopening process that will see the “stay at home” order remain in place for another five weeks.
With the prime minister keen to avoid having to order a fresh lockdown, he has opted for a gradual lifting of restrictions across England, which is likely to irk some Tory MPs, who will be given a vote on the plan next month.
• Schools will reopen to all pupils on 8 March. The only other change at that point will be that two people from different households will be able to meet outside socially, instead of just for exercise.
• From 29 March, in the second part of step one, the “stay at home” order will lift so people can meet family members in a park or garden, and outdoor sports facilities will be allowed to reopen.
• In step two, from 12 April, hairdressers and non-essential shops will be allowed to reopen, as well as self-catering accommodation, public buildings such as libraries and museums, and outdoor hospitality such as pub gardens.
• From 17 May, in step three, most rules on outdoor social contact will be lifted, aside from a limit of 30 on the size of gatherings. Pubs and restaurants will be able to serve customers indoors.
• In step four, from 21 June, all limits on socialising should be lifted and the government hopes that businesses that were unable to reopen in summer 2020, such as nightclubs, will be able to reopen their doors.

429072 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to stevie, 11, #985 of 1871 🔗

Certificates are just the tried and true tactic of incrementalism.

429078 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to stevie, 11, #986 of 1871 🔗

Covid Status Certificates was the plan from the very start, before we had even heard of Covid.

429100 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 5, #987 of 1871 🔗

They were and still are Blair’s wet dream.

429169 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #988 of 1871 🔗

Mine will say: Still a scam.

429090 ▶▶ Paul, replying to stevie, 8, #989 of 1871 🔗

The expected load of bollocks,another three months before we can go to a pub or to a restaurant for a meal,just exactly how many of those establishments will be still in existence by then ?,the outdoor serving thing is pathetic.
No mention of masks ?.

429096 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to stevie, 8, #990 of 1871 🔗


Opened last summer. Remained open. No massive increased death toll.

429103 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to stevie, 8, #991 of 1871 🔗

So officially the Christmas that families were told they could celebrate at Easter is cancelled along with Easter, for the second year running.

WTF do they think they are doing, playing god with people’s physical and mental health. Am I supposed to be grateful that as a singleton, as well as being able to walk with one other person, I can now sit on a bench with them. Really going to help us

429109 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to stevie, 4, #992 of 1871 🔗

“the government hopes that businesses that were unable to reopen in summer 2020, such as nightclubs, will be able to reopen their doors”

Which businesses are these? Which of them will survive until June, having been closed for months on end?
And who believes Boris and any of this, having been lied to so many times before?

“Dr. Fauci told CNN’s Dana Bash on Sunday that “it’s possible” that Americans will still be wearing masks in 2022.”

What’s the betting we’ll be forced to do the same?

429164 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stevie, 3, #993 of 1871 🔗

Ta for the summary of Fat Boy’s witterings.
Step1 doing already.
Steps 2, 3 and 4 irrelevant to me until muzzles are scrapped.

429068 Occamsrazor, 25, #994 of 1871 🔗

I thought that I’d come off various SM for a bit and instead of having to read the utter shit that 95% of the cretins flob all over the place, I would just write it myself. I’ll check later to see how many things I got right. Like bingo. But for the insane.
So: I’m sobbing and shaking with terror at the thought of this free for all where all the selfish people will be flocking to benches and breathing their deadly miasma over gates. I mean doesn’t anyone realise that this is a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. and also DEADLY. and just because you want to go to the pub, you want grannies to die. And teachers. And the angels in the NHS. And I know 20 young fit healthy people who have Died of Covid. And another 19 have long covid, which isn’t at all the same as post viral fatigue. It is FAR FAR WORSE. And I can’t believe they can even think of sending children into school. They should send them in with their own body bags and all the teachers will literally DIE because you have a 1 in a 100 chance of DYING. and I’m terrified and just sobbing about all these poor poor people who are PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE just because lazy parents hate their children and can’t be arsed to homeschool. And school is only a building and I’m actually an epidemiologist so I understand everything and you don’t. Also I work in the ICUand we are on our knees because of the flocking to playgrounds and the disease ridden children. Also can you really not just wait for businesses to reopen next year. Surely, one death to Covid is one too many.

429074 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 17, #995 of 1871 🔗

The other day Boris said he would follow the data rather than dates, but now the news is saying beginning on March 8th the country will be opened up as a four stage process. Now I have no problem with a gradual process but a data driven process doesn’t rely on dates it changes as the data changes. This contridition is at the heart of why lockdown doesn’t work, it turns people into numbers on a chart rather than the biological beings we are. It can’t explain why in one household everyone gets infected while in another no one does. It can’t explain why in summer when most things were open the infection rate declined, or why anyone under 60 is more likely to die in a car accident than covid. To me it’s all to do with biology so I wonder why Boris uses mathematicians or as the news calls them epidemiologists when we should be using immunologist. I believe they would tell Boris we all have an immune system if where not allowed to use it due to lockdown this will weaken us making us vulnerable to any virus. So follow the data not some random date!

429079 ▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #996 of 1871 🔗

Oh gosh that’s far too sensible.

429086 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Derek Toyne, 17, #997 of 1871 🔗

You are to generous. It’s not a random date – it’s another 4 months to flatten the human spirit -the data does not matter at all – it clearly never has!

429131 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Derek Toyne, 8, #998 of 1871 🔗

I think you’re making the mistake of trying to find logic or consistency or interest in reality or truth in what the government say and do

If it ever existed it was abandoned pretty soon after March last year

Since then it has all been political theatre, with jargon and dodgy graphs and other nonsense chucked in at random

All it has to do is sound vaguely plausible to the frightened and apathetic masses and the media and opposition pursuing their own agendas

429155 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #999 of 1871 🔗

I think that there is ‘logic’ and ‘consistency’, Julian – but the target is contained in your last paragraph. It is a logic and consistency that grows out of a febrile lust for control – both from sociopathic and feeble politicians and hick scientists looking for preferment, if not financial advantage

429076 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 9, #1000 of 1871 🔗

Several days ago I wrote End Lockdown Now on the back of my (filthy) car. Just noticed today that someone has drawn a tiny, quite detailed cock next to it. Absolutely hysterical, it’s made my day 🙂

429108 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Still Got It, 4, #1001 of 1871 🔗

says more about them than you

429223 ▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1002 of 1871 🔗

I draw strength from their enragement.

429255 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Still Got It, 1, #1003 of 1871 🔗

They are to be pitied, the tiny cock is probably a self portrait. 😂

429077 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 41, #1004 of 1871 🔗

I know that with the end in sight (and as with Brexit) we will soon face calls for national healing and injunctions to spend, spend, spend to revive the economy.

I don’t see much chance of the Covidians embracing the sceptics any time soon so for my part I intend to make it my life’s work to remind them of what they did and punish them for it at every possible opportunity whether that is saying “I told you so” as they are at long last made redundant, sniggering at their kids turning feral or not getting jobs on graduation, voting against them, never using the businesses that profiteered or made life hard for sceptics.

All the people who enabled what we have and will suffer: the deaths; the loss of ancient freedoms; the familial, cultural and social harms; the economic collapse whether directly or by their complicity must be made to own what they have done every day of their miserable lives.

429088 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 20, #1005 of 1871 🔗

No mercy for the collaborators

429434 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1006 of 1871 🔗

Forgiveness is just too easy.

429121 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #1007 of 1871 🔗

The end is not in sight. Not even close.

429143 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Julian, 3, #1008 of 1871 🔗

I don’t disagree but that is how it will be presented. We will be told it’s over as they gaslight us into believing the new normal is the old normal.

429081 stevie, replying to stevie, 7, #1009 of 1871 🔗

Johnson says four reviews will also be carried out.
They will cover: the case for Covid status certificates; how events can be staged; how travel can be facilitated; and social distancing.
And he says next month the government will publish a plan for dealing with local outbreak and variants of concern.
He ends by saying it is important to be cautious, and humble in the face of the virus. But the end is in sight, he claims.

429083 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to stevie, 20, #1010 of 1871 🔗

Even bigger Cunt for all that than he ever was lol

429165 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to stevie, 3, #1011 of 1871 🔗

Humble in the face of worldwide deception, more like.

429175 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stevie, 5, #1012 of 1871 🔗

Social Distancing at any event is not normal. It’s grim, inhumane and will no doubt be accompanied by masks so it’s full of idiots.

429182 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to stevie, 3, #1013 of 1871 🔗

Humble enough to believe that humans can defeat a virus…

429085 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 19, #1014 of 1871 🔗

I think his whole speech suggests they know that their fake vaccines aren’t as effective as they claim. Quelle surprise!

If they were, it wouldn’t take at least another 4 months to get out of this, remembering that his stated planned dates can be moved back whenever he feels like it.

429093 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1015 of 1871 🔗

Fortunately the “vaccines” don’t have to work in the UK as we have reached endemic equilibrium. What happens in NZ will tell us whether they work or not.

429199 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, 2, #1016 of 1871 🔗

What happens in NZ will tell us whether they work or not.

Australia, too, of course.

I posted something similar to this this morning. I think their hard lockdowns could result in a heavy flu season, but they’ll say it’s Covid, and off we go again. They certainly won’t blame a single death on the jab.

429294 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1017 of 1871 🔗

I think the bigger issue is that the efficacy of the jabs, especially in the vulnerable, has been exaggerated by the virus burning out naturally as we have reached endemic equilibrium. NZ and Aus have next to zero natural immunity so we will get a much more accurate, real world, assessment of the vaccines actual efficacy.

429105 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ceriain, 12, #1018 of 1871 🔗

They don’t give a stuff about vaccine efficacy – the vaccines were just an excuse to delay. These plans announced today are just more delay, caveated everywhere for additional delay. They need to get us through to late autumn in lockdown and then they can just sell flu as covid, or create a flu pandemic (which the meeja have been laying the ground for already). They need to delay until the country is totally broken.

429134 ▶▶▶ Van Allen, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #1019 of 1871 🔗

Agree exactly. So long as they have some sort of restrictions released in August/September they will blame the usual autumn resurgence of respiratory illnesses (obviously labelled COVID) on the releasing of the restrictions, the Brainwashed will believe it and hey presto the never ending merry go round continues. And least until whatever their Endgame is has manifested.

429210 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #1020 of 1871 🔗

Can’t disagree with any of that, TBP. I think many of us here believe this is the plan.

None of the current numbers (all fake, of course) being released by the Regime don’t justify keeping this going for 4 more months.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I thought it was interesting that he threw into his speech very early that SAGE had release a new ‘model of doom’ today. He’s just continuing to use SAGE to justify his torture.

429087 stevie, 1, #1021 of 1871 🔗

From the Telegraph Pubs and restaurants will also be able to repen outdoors “and the Scotch egg debate will be over”, because there will be no need for alcohol to be accompanied by alcohol, he confirms.

429091 Barbara Baker, 3, #1022 of 1871 🔗

Aaaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!! 🤯
There that’s better

429092 stevie, replying to stevie, 15, #1023 of 1871 🔗

Not NORMAL at all:

From June 17, things should be broadly back to normal – groups of up to six people and two households will be allowed to meet indoors, so people can enter each other’s homes from now.
Pubs and restaurants can open indoors. It is unlikely there will be strict requirements on capacity, but it must be table service.
Large events can also take place, although with restrictions on capacity.

429101 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to stevie, 3, #1024 of 1871 🔗

must admit although I hate the concept of table service I don’t remember a barmaid saying to me in the old days two minutes before last orders “are you sure you don’t want another drink?”

429106 ▶▶ Paul, replying to stevie, 8, #1025 of 1871 🔗

No not normal at all,seems like the new abnormal from last summer to me.

429114 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stevie, 3, #1026 of 1871 🔗

Tiers 1 2 or 3 will be the new summer normal, forever

Lockdowns in winter

429097 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #1027 of 1871 🔗

Peter Hitchens on TR talking about the upcoming budget, how about a rise in income tax to 98% for face nappy wearers and social distancers?

429217 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #1028 of 1871 🔗

Is the 2% so they can buy more face nappies? OK.

429360 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1029 of 1871 🔗

Yes but with VAT at 99% on all face nappies.

429098 IvanDP, replying to IvanDP, 30, #1030 of 1871 🔗

What a complete load of bollocks!!!!
So basically little or nothing changes for at least another 3 months.
And then when it does, the changes are still so restrictive it’s going to be unbearable.
How much longer will people put up with this?

429116 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to IvanDP, 8, #1031 of 1871 🔗

The sheeple bleat their approval. The ‘polls’ say ‘stay the course with extending LDs’. Doris, Wancock, Shitty hand out more contracts to friends and family.

429118 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to IvanDP, 9, #1032 of 1871 🔗

Are we supposed to be grateful, for what exactly

Let’s hope for good warm weather soon and for an extended period.

That will surely bring the sheeple out of hiding

429132 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Lindy, 7, #1033 of 1871 🔗

Never underestimate data fraud and the viruluent ‘variants’ which doth arrive in the summer (like maurading Goths without pants).

429104 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 55, #1034 of 1871 🔗

Truly pathetic how many people (like my work colleagues) are celebrating the fact that they are getting some of their rights back, that should never have been removed from them in the 1st place.

429127 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Chicot, 13, #1035 of 1871 🔗

Escatic at their own imprisonment. Delirious for the vaxx. Mad for the testing. Desirous of LD 4 in the Fall. Terrifed at not being terrifed enough.

429250 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, #1036 of 1871 🔗

Its hellish!

429267 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Chicot, 3, #1037 of 1871 🔗

What rights, would that be the one about sitting on a bench !

They definitely need to get out more

429110 darcydetoni, replying to darcydetoni, 10, #1038 of 1871 🔗

The person going and back and forth with Neil Ferguson – did they ask him if his models took into account the seasonality of ILI viruses? Apparently, that was not part of his modelling.

429125 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to darcydetoni, 8, #1039 of 1871 🔗

You would have a more intelligent conversation with your cat than Ferguclown.

429133 ▶▶▶ darcydetoni, replying to FerdIII, 13, #1040 of 1871 🔗

His answers do make him seem arrogant. The fact that he says that they see no rise in suicides doesn’t make any sense. Everything I’ve seen says that there has been a substantial increase in suicides. Makes him come off as uncaring actually. Or it’s just Covid deaths that matter.

429145 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to darcydetoni, 7, #1041 of 1871 🔗

Deaths of others don’t matter to psychopaths, so long as they don’t get blamed.

429243 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to darcydetoni, 1, #1042 of 1871 🔗

He has lived a life in academia circles, he has been institutionalised and is no more fit to comment on society than No.10’s cat!

429345 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to FerdIII, 1, #1043 of 1871 🔗

Why someone hasn’t topped him is a mystery hope he gets the David Kelly treatment sooner rather than later.

429111 FerdIII, 22, #1044 of 1871 🔗

Doris’ roadmap to normalcy ? Looks like a terrified stagger out of the Gulag for a few weeks to look around, catch some sun, chase a butterfly, before running back to said Gulag by September. Variants. Vaxx deaths too high. Vaxx’s do not stop transmission. Need to triple diaper. R, Q, F, P4 variables loaded and escalating. Look her in the eyes…and…save the NHS…etc. etc.

LD 4 coming in the Fall. Stay tune to the corrupt CV cult of half wits and data fraudsters.
Covidiot sheeple scream with delight.
Hindoo Knicknack cranks up the plastic money press and announces UBI.

429112 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 4, #1045 of 1871 🔗
429120 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Jonny S., 19, #1046 of 1871 🔗

Seasonal flu naturally dying off. I guess they will have to pilfer other death categories to re-ignite the fear mongering. Vaxx deaths will undoubtedly help.

429237 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 3, #1047 of 1871 🔗

When you consider the numbers of people denied any health care this past year you can expect a spike of deaths autumn/winter later this year.. This will of course be attributed to Covid unless the population WTFU! 🤬

429126 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 20, #1048 of 1871 🔗

Absolute drivel from Johnson, June 20th no hugs, June 21st Hugs. etc.

429135 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DanClarke, 10, #1049 of 1871 🔗

only if you have a vaxx ID card and the requisite ‘able to hug certificate’…..(there may even be training on how to hug).

429138 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to DanClarke, 17, #1050 of 1871 🔗

He deserves a Glasgow Kiss, just for starters

429146 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Lindy, 8, #1051 of 1871 🔗

Followed by a few pieces of Lead

429139 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1052 of 1871 🔗

Is that just after the G7 summit……

429154 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to stefarm, 1, #1053 of 1871 🔗

Oh yeah 🤫

429227 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1054 of 1871 🔗

I thought did occur to me, his live in friend is probably desperate to get married, and I don’t think he i, so it suits the Fat One to keep social gatherings to a minimum or else she’ll be organising a society wedding in no time.

429388 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, #1055 of 1871 🔗

he can kiss my arse

429140 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1056 of 1871 🔗

There are people on msm, wailing ‘but people are still dying’, somehow the BIT unit must persuade them that this is normal.

429149 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1057 of 1871 🔗

Yeah that’s right – people die every day of many things – I know, shock innit

429163 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Barbara Baker, 7, #1058 of 1871 🔗

So that’s why we have doctors, hospitals, funeral directors, cemeteries and crematoria…People get ill and die! I knew there must be a reason.

429156 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1059 of 1871 🔗

They’d better get used to it when people denied diagnosis and treatment for cancer, heart disease, mental illness etc etc appear in the excess death stats.

Or are we going to continue with fraud and disguise them as Covid deaths

429166 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lindy, 6, #1060 of 1871 🔗

Fraud all the way.

429383 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, #1061 of 1871 🔗

yes they need to have it gently broken to them that death did not arrive on the scene in 2020, and it can not be banished by wearing facemasks and hiding in your bedroom

429150 Bugle, 16, #1062 of 1871 🔗

Our Leader has given nothing that he can’t take back. Would you believe anything this person says?

Face masking for schoolkids is torture and degrading treatment. Guantanamo comes to secondary schools. Will MPs wave it through? Of course. Will the 1922 rein in the Dictator? Almost certainly not.

429151 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 19, #1063 of 1871 🔗

The only good thing? Just read the comments on the Mail and the Telegraph. A significant proportion of people aren’t falling for this shit anymore.

I can’t bring myself to read a BBC article, though. What are the BTL comments there?

429198 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to kenadams, 2, #1064 of 1871 🔗

BBC don’t seem to be allowing comments on the main articles (surprise surprise). But you can add a comment on their ‘When will I get a vaccine?’ article. Whoopee.

429257 ▶▶ isobar, replying to kenadams, 1, #1065 of 1871 🔗

Yes, comments now on both of those sites overwhelmingly hostile.

429666 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to isobar, #1066 of 1871 🔗

And that’s after a lot of moderation.

429153 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #1067 of 1871 🔗

April 2020 our self catering holiday in Wales was cancelled. We kicked it down the road to Christmas. Cancelled. Boris assured us we’d be back to normal by Easter so we moved it to Easter 2021. Low and behold, unless Drakeford, does something different in Wales, we will have to cancel again as instead of opening for Easter he’s now saying self catering can open 3 days after we were due to get back. I’m pretty stoical and I know it’s just a holiday but the realisation has made this strong women feel quite weepy. It’s always the last straw that breaks the camels back. Fuck you Boris.

On a more positive note, the Conservative Party Facebook post about the road map is getting loads of negative comments.

429159 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1068 of 1871 🔗

Wow do they have any paying members left in the CCP – sorry CUP?

429179 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Barbara Baker, 2, #1069 of 1871 🔗

Both major parties appear to now have a policy of shrinking the membership, because they get in the way of autocracy and the role of the big money.

The Tories were well down that road some time ago, and Starmer is now following with moves to get members out of the Labour Party. and turn it fully into another arm of the establishment.

429157 isobar, replying to isobar, 24, #1070 of 1871 🔗

Boris reveals his roadmap out of lockdown: Two friends can picnic outside from March 8, shops, hairdressers and gyms to reopen from April 12 and pubs can serve beer outside – but no foreign holidays or travel before mid-MAY and hugs are off until June 21
As was likely based on current readings of DM readers opinions, so far best rated comments overwhelmingly hostile. The dam is definitely fracturing and probably has been for while.

Currently best rated

‘So many weirdos who want to stay in lockdown forever, just open everything up and let’s get back to normal’ 1024 upticks 72 downticks

Second best rated (would give bonus upticks if I could)

‘So they think they can say when we can hug somebody? Get f*#ked.’ 505 upticks 28 downticks


429162 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to isobar, 14, #1071 of 1871 🔗

Noticed that, the comments are changing in leaps and bounds in recent weeks and all for the good.

429168 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1072 of 1871 🔗

Absolutely, gives us a good platform to engage with those whose views might be turning

429191 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to isobar, 12, #1073 of 1871 🔗

In the past few days noticed when out and about:

  • main roads in towns/cities markedly busier than last week
  • lot less people in cars wearing masks – but more people seemed to have forgotten how to drive though
  • lot less people walking round in masks
  • almost no social distancing going on
  • more people standing closer when chatting, especially with a dog on a lead each
  • only 1 person came to the door to accept her delivery wearing a mask last week
  • more people put on mask at last minute, off as soon as they leave the shop
  • workers will be wedged into the cab of a van, no masks
  • half the time I forget to wear my exemption lanyard at a delivery to a factory, office etc and not been challenged once
  • most people at above places now not wearing a muzzles either
  • the signs may be up but being ignored by customers and staff at builder’s merchants etc
  • lots of office space for rent signs going up even in smaller offices

But this was pathetic – deliverd to a house for a company sending stuff to those working from home. 30ish “man” came to door in superman onesies. WTF? Pathetic, really apthetic.

429202 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1074 of 1871 🔗

I hope that some of these signs may represent a greater readiness to be really sceptical (which, I think, is different from being non-compliant, and requires an emotional jump).

But certainly outdoor masking is now very rare when I take a sample on a journey.

429203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1075 of 1871 🔗

Hopefully the parcel was full of Kryptonite.

429229 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1076 of 1871 🔗

I have noticed that too. Lockdown fatigue (apart from the stupid example you highlight) is setting in. Funnily enough dog owners do seem to be leading the charge. A common interest and love of dogs is overriding all the crap, and I don’t mean dog crap!

429312 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1077 of 1871 🔗

My postman is a confirmed sceptic. Apparently I’m still one of the few that’s not CV19 paranoid.
There are still people who will wear plastic gloves to pick up parcels..

429176 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to isobar, 3, #1078 of 1871 🔗

Careful! The issue is now the vaccine and they will pivot very strongly to that.

429180 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #1079 of 1871 🔗

Point taken, let’s see.

429161 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 10, #1080 of 1871 🔗

Absolute garbage. April 12th for gyms. I’m going to get some anti-lockdown t-shirts made. (Suggestions on a postcard please).
When the bedwetters are flogging their home gyms I’ll pick one up on eBay. They’ll be closed again by October. I wish I could emigrate.

429218 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to TimeIsNow, 7, #1081 of 1871 🔗

Fat Al Johnson is a three faced wankpuffin?

429305 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to TimeIsNow, #1082 of 1871 🔗

But where (exclude Sweden)?

429314 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #1083 of 1871 🔗

Try this image.

429167 DanClarke, 20, #1084 of 1871 🔗

If they record deaths as the actual cause, covid will be a very rare disease

429170 RickH, replying to RickH, 19, #1085 of 1871 🔗

I think it’s probably best to not too overexcited about the chances of persuading people by rational argument. It has only worked at the margins.

The best tactics will be to hammer emotional wedges into the brainwashed compliant mentality – highlighting the absurdity of the Fat Controller and his brigade of career liars telling you what to do – and being wrong at every faux-teary turn.

429177 ▶▶ isobar, replying to RickH, 7, #1086 of 1871 🔗

Totally correct, perception is reality. For for the most part this is an emotional battle not a scientific one when it comes to persuading the general public.

429183 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to isobar, 8, #1087 of 1871 🔗

It’s both, but the difference in advertising spend between our side and theirs is a few hundred million

Propaganda works

429188 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, 6, #1088 of 1871 🔗

Don’t disagree, but maybe the amount of money spent on disgusting adverts like look into her eyes etc could be a lighting rod for an investigative journalist to exploit.

429195 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to isobar, 4, #1089 of 1871 🔗

So many things for such a journalist but there are almost none.

429246 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, 1, #1090 of 1871 🔗

Agree, wish that we had one like Monica Smit (see a previous post) in Australia. But UK column do a good job.

429181 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 9, #1091 of 1871 🔗

I think rational arguments would work if repeated often and prominently enough, but there seems little prospect of that

I think lockdown fatigue and the vaccine promise is doing our work for us, but I fear that
1) Some restrictions will remain forever (e.g. masks, tests, travel restrictions)
2) No lessons will be learned, so it could all happen again, given that the genie is out of the bottle for anyone who wants to grab and retain easy power

429192 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #1092 of 1871 🔗

I can’t disagree with that gloomy prognosis.

429297 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 3, #1093 of 1871 🔗

Unfortunately, in this country, we’ve had a relatively comfortable and safe life, compared to those on the Continent and elsewhere.
It’s why we haven’t fought to retain our freedoms because we have trusted our politicians not to be authoritarian dictators who’d take those freedoms away on a whim.

Hard times breed hard men.
Hard men create good times.
Good times breed soft men.
Soft men create hard times.

We’re about to see hard times….

429178 danny, replying to danny, 52, #1094 of 1871 🔗

Transcript of the Boris Johnson speech just in, Main points below…..
The original 3 weeks to protect the NHS, was then extended to 1 year, is now to be extended for another 4 months, despite no hospital ever having to close, and all the vulnerable now having had their vaccine.
It will no longer be illegal to sit on a park bench in two weeks time (still highly illegal until then though), but when lifted, you will be able to meet just one person, and must stay in a public place.
By the middle of April, so month and a half away, you will be allowed to go shopping.
Another whole month from there, and two households can actually cross a threshold and go indoors if they don’t like sitting in the sun and the wind and the rain.
By almost July, the other restrictions will be lifted, except weddings (of course).
Oh and, all of this is entirely reliant on pushing mass testing whilst simultaneously making positive tests one of the stumbling blocks, along with the emergence of new variants, something that has happened a few hundred times since Covid-19 first emerged.
And delays to that timeline will push the dates back through the summer and closer to autumn and seasonal flus/ hospital overload, in which case, we will undoubtedly, be locked down all over again.
Lastly, no sign of easing on mask legislation, and he floated the idea of “Covid-secure” places of business, do doubt meaning vaccine passports.
Then he ended by declaring that some people might now be thinking he has moved to open up too quickly.
Wasn’t my first thought, I have to say…

429187 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, 28, #1095 of 1871 🔗

what a load of complete horseshit. thanks Danny, for giving up some valuable minutes of your life that you’ll never get back to listen to that so that the rest of us don’t have to.

429189 ▶▶ RickH, replying to danny, 24, #1096 of 1871 🔗

Two words need to be employed in this situation by everyone with a brain when encountering government nonsense : ‘Fuck’ and ‘Off’

But one correction :

“… all the vulnerable now having had their vaccine …

No they haven’t. Some of us have employed the same two words in addressing the question of vaccine safety dreamed up in a pregnancy timescale.

429196 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to danny, 7, #1097 of 1871 🔗

Thanks for taking one for the team.

429276 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #1098 of 1871 🔗

Wasn’t easy, I can tell you. Off to drink now.

429207 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to danny, 8, #1099 of 1871 🔗

My thought was its a pity he didn’t die in that ditch afterall.

429211 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1100 of 1871 🔗

… nor became hardcore for a third runway.

429299 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 1, #1101 of 1871 🔗

Jumbo jets landing on him in an endless stream.

429303 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 1, #1102 of 1871 🔗

Or HS2

429212 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to danny, 25, #1103 of 1871 🔗

I think that whatever Bunter does now the Tory party are fundamentally fucked. I had a gander through the comments on the DT Live section and they talk overwhelmingly of having been Tory voters all their lives but no more they will vote Reclaim/Reform/Independent and that sentiment resonates with me too and to me that says that there are a significant number of Tories that will no longer vote for them.

429244 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #1104 of 1871 🔗

One can but hope.

429251 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #1105 of 1871 🔗

Same for me and many of my (what I have left) social circle. But what is the alternative?

429259 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 2, #1106 of 1871 🔗

Heritage too. Well I hope so but my mother still comes out with crap such as he’s just done what all the other leaders have done and it’s a new disease so he did as best as it could with it. Let’s hope she’s not typical 🙁

429301 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1107 of 1871 🔗

You should tell her all about Governor Ron DeSantis and Florida.
Just doing what other leaders do isn’t a good enough reason, unless there’s good reasons for doing it.
“They did it too,” isn’t a good reason.

429310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to LMS2, 6, #1108 of 1871 🔗

Or as Sir Desmond Swayne put it in one of his speeches in Parliament “That would be Herd Stupidity”

429320 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to LMS2, 1, #1109 of 1871 🔗

Oh did all that. Waste of time. You know how it goes.Some minds are open, some people listen. Others don’t. Least she’s not a bedwetter.

429410 ▶▶▶ Eddy16, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #1110 of 1871 🔗

I do hope so. But so many people say this and then vote for them in fear of getting Labour when the time comes.

429194 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 19, #1111 of 1871 🔗

Boris could not speak three meaningful complex phrases! He was not and will never be a leader – just a clown!

429208 ▶▶ isobar, replying to TheClone, 4, #1112 of 1871 🔗

Agree, but a dangerous one

429209 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheClone, 7, #1113 of 1871 🔗

You are too kind to him. Clowns entertain – he is just a lifelong lying narcissist of no talent except for lying deviousness.

429213 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #1114 of 1871 🔗

OOI, who was the last PM you had much time for?

I’ve not thought much of any of the ones in my adult lifetime (that would be Thatcher onwards)

429347 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to TheClone, #1115 of 1871 🔗

Boris could not speak three meaningful complex phrases” – not quite fair to him. He can probably manage it in Ancient Greek. (Though he’d be quoting from someone else.)

429201 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #1116 of 1871 🔗

Could any kind soul who has managed to stomach today’s lies say whether there’s any plan for lifting the “work from home if you can” guidance? All I could see in the Mail report was that it remained in place at least as far as April but said nothing after that

429215 ▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Julian, 4, #1117 of 1871 🔗

If it helps my sister has just been told they are all most likely going back in April, she is a PA, financial sector, London.

429292 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Still Got It, 1, #1118 of 1871 🔗

Does she know anything about resetting the financial system?

429469 ▶▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to FedupofLies, #1119 of 1871 🔗

Haha no, she’s as daft as a brush, bless her.

429219 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Julian, #1120 of 1871 🔗

“Could remain until June” according to various news outlets

429220 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 6, #1121 of 1871 🔗

I didn’t hear it mentioned but my mind was wandering thinking how such a man became prime minister.

429289 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1122 of 1871 🔗

No one else had enough support.

The rest of us didn’t know he was going to be replaced by a sociopathic lizard person.

429232 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 1, #1123 of 1871 🔗

Thanks for replies all

Seems pretty vague

Par for the course

429245 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1125 of 1871 🔗


“Mr Speaker, our journey back towards normality will be subject to resolving a number of key questions and to do this we will conduct four reviews.
One will assess how long we need to maintain social distancing and face masks.
This will also inform guidance on working from home – which should continue wherever possible until this review is complete.
And it will be critical in determining how Parliament can safely return in a way that I know Hon Members would wish.”

Parliament may return in body but in spirit it has been absent since March and may never return

429204 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 23, #1126 of 1871 🔗

I’ve just invited some friends over to sit on our sofa for a weekend, I thought a park bench would be too hard on our posteriors.

429224 ▶▶ Cat Woman, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1127 of 1871 🔗

I can’t sit on a park bench since I broke my Coccyx about five years ago. I think the Government are discriminating against me 😂

429214 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1128 of 1871 🔗

My wife spoke to here business partner in Tanzania and yes was conformed that covid cases on the rise there again. (Note, could be flu, but for now let’s call it covid), Guess what their rainy season/winter season is kicking off.

  • So does that mean every winter between October-April in UK lockdown.
  • Will Oz/NZ start getting cases when their winter kicks off.
  • If Tanzania has no lockdown but are getting cses again, what happened to herd immunity? (Worry that one)!!
  • When summer cases drop in Europe I guess SAGE/Vaccine will take credit for that.
429225 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1129 of 1871 🔗

But what are cases?

429258 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1130 of 1871 🔗

I think the whole Herd Immunity debate is something of a red herring

The fact is that lockdowns don’t work and are immoral

If you have a new disease like covid you need to deal with it in the usual manner

429279 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1131 of 1871 🔗

No worry – they weren’t testing before in Tanzania so most probs the new “cases” ARE herd immunity – finding bits if old virus or flu virus due to doubtless reeeely high ct
On pcrs. And yes Oz will get cases as they are just starting vaxxing but will blame quarantine hotels and NZ Team 5 million won’t coz Jacinda won’t let the ct run above 20
ergo LOCKDOWNSWORK and when they don’t VACCINES WORK and when they don’t- ITS YOUR FAULT
Got that Rodney, you plonker?

429221 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1132 of 1871 🔗

All restrictions lifted by 21st June! BAAA,HA, HA HAAAAAHHH!

429239 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1133 of 1871 🔗

There will be a big Druid ceremony at Stonehenge to celebrate in style.

429222 stevie, replying to stevie, 11, #1134 of 1871 🔗

In the Commons Mark Harper , chair of the Covid Recovery Group, which represents lockdown-sceptic Tories, says the government wants to vaccinate all over-50s, and people with underlying health conditions, by 15 April. These people account for 99% of Covid deaths and 80% of hospital cases. So why can’t all restrictions be lifted from the end of April, once those first doses of vaccines have taken effect?
Johnson says Harper is making an excellent point, but that “a significant minority” of people either won’t take the vaccine, or won’t get protection from it.

429236 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to stevie, 6, #1135 of 1871 🔗

None of his effing business then!

429241 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to stevie, 7, #1136 of 1871 🔗

Exactly. If the vaccines are as effective as they are making out then the country should be open two weeks after the last of the “most vulnerable” have been jabbed.

429247 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to stevie, 14, #1137 of 1871 🔗

Not surprisingly the answer does not make sense. A minority should not impact the overall coverage of the vulnerable cohort and it is their decision to assume that risk.

It is not putting the vaccinated vulnerable at risk

Based on that answer LDs will be permanent, forever and a day,

429284 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Lindy, 3, #1138 of 1871 🔗

Ah, but they might get sick and have to go to hospital. Can’t have that.

429286 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to stevie, 2, #1139 of 1871 🔗

And his point is?

429402 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to stevie, 1, #1140 of 1871 🔗

Lots of bleating on twatter about ‘but only the first jab’. They want to keep the rest of locked down until they have had the full vaccine (that isn’t a vaccine anyway).

429226 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 5, #1141 of 1871 🔗

If you are depressed and angry at the thought of life never returning back to normal then do not read this. It will make you more angry and more depressed.

You have a choice of either being tested or vaccinated to do anything normal pre – 2020.


429273 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Lydia, 2, #1142 of 1871 🔗

I always presumed that was the point of protests.

429228 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 18, #1143 of 1871 🔗

Great update page today, particularly the Ferguson emails, which truly are fascinating. Anyone who can read in between the lines and with a modicum of insight can discern Ferguson’s politics – he clearly is no friend of conservatism or libertarianism, and Johnson would do well to remember that. I sense that Ferguson knows he is up against the ropes, with blows now coming in from both left and right. If he does eventually go down, then I can only hope that he takes Farrar, Whitty, Van-tam and the rest of that abysmal crew with him.

429277 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to JamesM, 8, #1144 of 1871 🔗

Ferguson was boinking a left-wing activist.
Left-wing activists are not known for their tolerance of other political views.

429290 ▶▶ Tim Paton, replying to JamesM, 4, #1145 of 1871 🔗

I thought the email written by the female reader to mr Vallance was brilliant it really resonated with me

429317 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JamesM, 3, #1146 of 1871 🔗

Fuck them all

429323 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Jaguarpig, 7, #1147 of 1871 🔗

No thanks – I have standards

429230 Ceriain, 7, #1148 of 1871 🔗

Full text of the Fat Twat’s speech, if you can stomach it.

Handy reference for when he starts to change the timetable.


429231 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1149 of 1871 🔗

Just head a snippet of the Boris Bollox on the radio.

Loads about shops, gyms, sports, pubs, restaurants etc. Everything that makes money.

But what about one family being able to visit another in their home? Was there any mention of that? If not, why are people accepting it? You can go and spend money in the pub but not visit your own family?!

429248 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1150 of 1871 🔗

But what about one family being able to visit another in their home? Was there any mention of that?

Step three will begin no earlier than 17 May.

Provided the data satisfies the four tests,most restrictions on meetings outdoors will be lifted, subject to a limit of thirty.

And this is the point when you will be able to see your friends and family indoors – subject to the Rule of Six or the meeting of two households.


429376 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1151 of 1871 🔗

Thanks. Only 3 months to go then…

429249 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1152 of 1871 🔗

Watching ch5 news, apparently one can have 6 visitors at home the same day we can go to the theatre together with more than 6 people.

429380 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Silke David, #1153 of 1871 🔗

Makes perfect sense, as ever.

429238 LMS2, 13, #1154 of 1871 🔗

A btl comment from America, about masks and CV19:

“Talked to my sister, who lives in Florida…you know, the state inundated with the dreaded covid exceeding even totally diseased NY. They were mask wearers, as they are at risk, being 75YO. I recently started sending her articles about masks, actual deaths, bogus testing and other interesting items on the subject. So now she starts asking everyone she knows if they know anyone that has this dreaded disease. Now again, this is Florida, pork rind heaven with likely the largest amount of at risk people per capita in the country. Not only does she not know anyone ‘with it’, but not one of her friends know anyone ‘infected’ as well. Then comes the story of the motorcyclist that was killed in an accident, that was added to the covid death list. The only person anyone in my family knows that has been infected (with symptoms) is my brothers step daughter in Austin where she works at a nursing home. I have family from San Francisco, to Arlington, to Rockledge (Fla), to Houston, to Austin, to Fort Smith, to Alpena, Mich and not one knows anyone else who is actually infected w/symptoms. Locally we are being told there are now 52 infected in my county, but no one knows who they are or what hospital they are in, as there are no cases in the local hospital. The story used to be 1 infected, then jumped to 3 and 4 days later, 52…but (and here’s the kicker) NO DEATHS and this is a retirement community with an average age of 83?”

429240 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 10, #1155 of 1871 🔗

I know his hair “style” is Mr Johnsons’ trademark, but to address parliament with such look like today is just disrespecting.

429253 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Silke David, 6, #1156 of 1871 🔗

Just his little way of showing that “we are all in it together”, none of us are having haircuts.

(Rolls eyes)

429311 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Lindy, 3, #1157 of 1871 🔗

It must be beneath Princess to tidy the fat clown’s hair up a bit.

429300 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Silke David, #1158 of 1871 🔗

What does Boris Johnson’s (or anyone else’s) hair have to do with parliamentary democracy?

429242 happychappy, replying to happychappy, 24, #1159 of 1871 🔗

The BBC summary has just casually pointed out the catch. Each of the deadlines for the gradual lifting of restrictions is subject to a week’s notice! Remember Christmas?

429265 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to happychappy, 5, #1160 of 1871 🔗

Let’s see what he says in press conference this evening! He’ll already have had a couple of hours to change his mind, so anything is possible.

429269 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to happychappy, 5, #1161 of 1871 🔗

Watching live on Parliament TV, there were actually some telling questions. Answers avoided of course.

429281 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to happychappy, 5, #1162 of 1871 🔗

Remember Christmas indeed. One family (at least) I know locally made a big deal of having a digital Christmas 2020, because they had been ‘guaranteed’ the chance of a big gathering in March this year, & they will do a proper Christmas then. Haven’t seen them around lately to gauge their reaction, methinks it may not be totally complementary; Ho-hum!

429372 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 9, #1163 of 1871 🔗

That family will accept and say ok will have Christmas on June 21st. In a couple of years they will accept a letter to have a shower at a government run facility.

429610 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1164 of 1871 🔗

Some dork scientist actually said that we will never again be able to celebrate Christmas at Christmas, because it will always be too Covid-y, so it will have to be moved to the summer.

But we all know that Covid isn’t seasonal, so how does that work?

429652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to A. Contrarian, #1165 of 1871 🔗

Actually having christmas in summer time isn’t a bad thing, alls those days off when the weather is shit doesn’t make sense. BBQ Christmas lunch much better.

429252 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 50, #1166 of 1871 🔗

I don’t think the Junta will be able to keep lockdown going for as long as they want to.

It will start to crumble and people will be like “well they are going to drop all this crap in X number of weeks so why bother following the rules?” As more kickback happens the authorities will be less willing to enforce the rules. The closer we come to the magic big unlock date the more people will be not following the rules. I can see people organising big parties in the fields and the cops leaving them alone because there are another 40 going on that night…

Hopefully this will be unstoppable and leads to an earlier unlocking.

429260 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Two-Six, 19, #1167 of 1871 🔗

I think this is already happening. They know it and must know they look stupid. My only concern is, they don’t like loosing control and will pull another mutant ninja variant type trick again.

429263 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1168 of 1871 🔗

Then there is Gates talk of bioterrorism.

429268 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #1169 of 1871 🔗

Not to mention the “cyber pandemic” that they are going to war game in the summer (just in time to shut down power and internet next Autumn?)

429745 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to this is my username, #1170 of 1871 🔗

They may bring some of this stuff forward. I don’t know.

429262 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Two-Six, 15, #1171 of 1871 🔗

I think you are deluded that it will be that easy.

The elites who own Johnson et al have their reset to carry out and their passports to roll out. They will blame resurgence, as others have pointed out, on those who hold out for the experimental gene therapy and lock down again.

This whole thing is costed to last a few years and will culminate in Agenda 30, whatever goodies are in that secret bag.

Until people wake up to the overall picture of the PlanScamdemic, the climatology con and the vile anti-human identity politics garbage of fifty genders and LGBTism being shoved down the throats of kids, THEY WILL NEVER BE FREE.

429364 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #1172 of 1871 🔗

I am not deluded, thanks. I know a lot about this. I have looked into all this too. It certainly looks like the nightmarish agenda 2030 etc is very much in operation.

I am trying to be optimistic.

I cannot entertain the thought of this horror show going on as you describe.

However I do think they will keep on with the agenda the evidence is too strong to suggest they have another goal in mind.

I do think they will keep pushing until they can’t push any more, when will the pushback happen…who knows.

Soon I hope. What they are doing to us is just intolerable and so damaging and it takes way too much effort for them to keep it up for much longer.

429400 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1173 of 1871 🔗

They will become desperate and dangerous.

429264 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1174 of 1871 🔗

A cheering scenario, let’s do all we can to make it happen!

429275 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Two-Six, 12, #1175 of 1871 🔗

We were told that we could have “Christmas at Easter” clearly another lie that had just tripped off Bunter’s tongue.

429605 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 1, #1176 of 1871 🔗

And last Easter we were supposed to have Easter at Christmas weren’t we?

Doubtless next Christmas will be restricted too, so even if things are permitted by Easter 2022 we will be celebrating three Easters and two Christmases all on the same day – stupendous.

429600 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1177 of 1871 🔗

I think that’s true and is why they’ve had to unveil the so-called roadmap today when Johnson clearly wanted to delay it for a few more weeks, so they look like they’re not on the back foot. But by unveiling it, they are also ensuring that more and more people will break the rules. Rock and a hard place I think!

429270 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 2, #1178 of 1871 🔗

“Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks, PSNB ex) is estimated to have been £8.8 billion in January 2021, £18.4 billion more than in January 2020, which is both the highest January borrowing since monthly records began in 1993 and the first January deficit for 10 years.”
“Public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks, PSNB ex) in the first 10 months of this financial year (April 2020 to January 2021) is estimated to have been £270.6 billion, £222.0 billion more than in the same period last year and the highest public sector borrowing in any April to January period since records began in 1993.”


429282 ▶▶ stevie, replying to rockoman, 4, #1179 of 1871 🔗

Sell House of Parliament, Imperial College and a few other institutions to pay it off

429295 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to stevie, 1, #1180 of 1871 🔗

It’s all for sale already, could it but find a buyer.

(As Sallust’s Jugurtha said of Rome).

429306 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stevie, 6, #1181 of 1871 🔗

Can’t sell Imperial; it’s the private property of Bill Gates and the Chinese.

429271 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 27, #1182 of 1871 🔗

The only slight positive is Johnstone has got all schools back at once, rather than pissing about in phases. Why there is a 2 week delay is hard to understand.

The rest of the phasing is just a backside covering agenda, to cover the BBC agenda that last year he opened too quick. Actually last year they were much too slow and that dilatory show was very damaging, it kept the furlough scheme running, when it needed shutting.

What has gone since has ensured the damage is baked in for decades to come. None of what he said today was going to reverse the economic damage, on the social side if anybody outside a state setting doesn’t see their friends and family based on the government rules I offer no sympathy.

Exercise of a vigorous nature is still banned for 5 more weeks, as is going out for a virus that thrives on the under exercised and indoors. Work that out.

I just wish more people would ditch the muzzles and ignore the orders, we have a very fearful and gullible nation.

429288 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to nottingham69, 10, #1183 of 1871 🔗

I believe the 2 week delay was a demand of the teachers union, to allow schools to prepare !

To do what exactly I’m not sure, given they some pupils are in schools now.

429293 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Lindy, 8, #1184 of 1871 🔗

Two weeks is time to piss about and maybe get a reversal.

Or maybe I’m being too cynical there; Bojo probably wouldn’t want to retreat on school opening at this point. It would be embarrassing to him. On the other hand, he is shameless.

429307 ▶▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Ovis, 2, #1185 of 1871 🔗

Not cynical, exactly my thoughts as well

429399 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ovis, 5, #1186 of 1871 🔗

Welsh schools supposed to go back today.
Needless to say, they didn’t.
Because Dungford so cares for education.
He said.
The lying t..d.

429585 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ovis, 1, #1187 of 1871 🔗

Yep, two weeks of campaigning by the unions – all kids must wear masks 24/7 and not see their parents or siblings at all during term time but live in solitary confinement in their bedrooms apart from during school hours. Teachers to get danger money. That kind of thing.

429302 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lindy, 9, #1188 of 1871 🔗

Some kids? A friend who is a headteacher in London has over 50% attendance and has done since the 6th of January. 2/3rds of my daughter’s class are now in school. The idea school closures have done anything to suppress the virus is laughable.

429304 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Lindy, 6, #1189 of 1871 🔗

I am sure but it sends out a terrible message to children. The idea of getting stuck in and getting things done seem very old fashioned. Delay, dither, delay just like the last PM.

429313 ▶▶▶ Paulus, replying to Lindy, 9, #1190 of 1871 🔗

In school for a whole 3 weeks and then off for two weeks at Easter to give the teachers a break

429351 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Lindy, 3, #1191 of 1871 🔗

Or get testing stations set up, like the one featured on the 5pm Ch5 news. How much did they spend on that?
I thought the test are supposed to be done at home?
The headteacher complained how much time the students will be spending queuing and getting tested instead of receiving teaching.

429446 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Silke David, 3, #1192 of 1871 🔗

My son has carried on at school and they did start the testing in January – at school though, not at home. Home testing has only been mentioned recently. The reminders I’ve had for “please complete the consent form for your child” (obviously I didn’t) and emails on how it would keep the students safe and stop the spread (!)
Now I’m getting emails saying disappointingly some students have parental consent but aren’t giving their own consent at school! This made me so happy! But not the headteacher. He wants parents to please explain to their children how important the tests are etc etc. I hope the parents don’t!
Headteacher getting desperate. Saying the children will miss the opportunity (!) of being tested and be left in the classroom during the twice weekly tests!! Wtf! Opportunity. Unbelievable.

429322 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to nottingham69, 9, #1193 of 1871 🔗

WHY oh WHY would ANYONE send their kids to school wearing dangerous masks.

ARE all you parents FUCKING MAD!


429274 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #1194 of 1871 🔗

Please someone get Boris a new satnav for his roadmap out, the one he’s got only routes u-turns and dead ends.

429287 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1195 of 1871 🔗

It was a cheap one from China that is why it took so long to arrive

429343 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to stevie, 1, #1196 of 1871 🔗

Maybe if he got off his ‘green’ bike and into a proper petrol powered vehicle we’d get there quicker too.

429357 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to stevie, -1, #1197 of 1871 🔗

If Maersks’ ships followed the sat navs they carry from China nothing would ever get delivered.

429283 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #1198 of 1871 🔗


Breaking news

Government issues further guidance to care homes on the Yellowcard scheme

The spokesperson said “The care of the elderly is central to everything we do

The Yellowcard system was introduced to establish the level of adverse reaction to vaccines.

It is important the government has updated and accurate data available to inform policy

With this in mind we have introduced new stronger guidance for care
home staff”

The below rules will come into effect from midnight tonight

(1) Within four hours of a vaccinated person dying in a care home they must be asked if they have the Yellowcard app download on their mobile phone or other media device. If the answer is ‘Yes’ go to section (2) if the response is ‘No’ then proceed to section (3)

(2) If the response is ‘Yes’ then no further action is required other than certification under section (4)

(3) If the response is ‘No’ then staff are permitted to explain the Yellowcard system to the deceased. Staff are not permitted to download the app to the deceased persons media device but may offer guidance as appropriate. Staff should then proceed to Section (4)

(4) In all cases a VCD (vaccine death coincidence) entry will then be made in the deceased persons medical records. It is important that VCD certificate does no appear on the death certificate

The spokesperson continued “In addition we will now extend the list of those who are authorised to sign death certificates. The new list will include care home staff such as cooks, cleaners, and laundry operatives

Care home service providers such as the paper boy or the window cleaner are permitted to sign death certificates provided they have seen the deceased at any point in the previous four years”

Further information is available on our website http://www.cookthebooks.gov.uk

429298 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1199 of 1871 🔗

Cecil, your posts are more believable than any of the crap posted by the BBC, keep it up 🙂

429315 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1200 of 1871 🔗

Thank you, Cecil B!

429318 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1201 of 1871 🔗

I’ve noticed that many of the satirical posts on here have a strange habit of becoming true a few days later!

429291 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 22, #1202 of 1871 🔗

COVID-19 Response – Spring 2021

Preparing for revaccination

65. It is not currently known for how long people who receive a COVID-19 vaccine will be protected. This is because, as is the case with many vaccines, the protection they confer may weaken over time. It is also possible that new variants of the virus may emerge against which current vaccines are less effective. As well as working closely with manufacturers, Government scientists are seeking to better understand the impact of some Variants of Concern on the vaccines currently in deployment.

66. To ensure the country is prepared for these scenarios and while further evidence is gathered, the Government is planning for a revaccination campaign, which is likely to run later this year in autumn or winter. Any revaccination is likely to consist of a single ‘booster’ dose of a COVID-19 vaccine: the ideal booster may be a new vaccine specifically designed against a variant form of the virus. Over the longer term, revaccination is likely to become a regular part of managing COVID-19.


429296 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ceriain, 17, #1203 of 1871 🔗

It’s both boringly predictable and unbelievable at the same time.

429308 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1204 of 1871 🔗

The Bill Gates Microsoft business plan transplanted to public health.Never ending vaccination and a digital passport to prove it.

429365 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #1205 of 1871 🔗

I thought the same a while back.

Back in the day, it was only ever bloody Microsoft software that got Viruses and needed constant AV Software updates.

Didn’t have the problem with Unix.

429335 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1206 of 1871 🔗

“This is because, as is the case with many vaccines, the protection they confer may weaken over time”

So everyone has annual MMR jabs? Chicken pox jabs every 6 months? Polio every year?

429309 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 14, #1207 of 1871 🔗

The road to nowhere lists four tests in their so-called data driven approach:

  1. The vaccine deployment programme continues successfully.
  2. Evidence shows vaccines are sufficiently effective in reducing hospitalisations and deaths in those vaccinated.
  3. Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospitalisations which would put unsustainable pressure on the NHS.
  4. Our assessment of the risks is not fundamentally changed by new Variants of Concern.

I may have missed something, but if none of the tests are quantified, how will anyone know whether the tests are met or not? Of course, I’m joking here because, that, surely is the whole point.

429342 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1208 of 1871 🔗

Not a problem, by the time we arrive the goalposts will be changed again and those will all be forgotten Remember

  • your tier is not your destiny …
  • you can have Christmas at easter …
  • once the vulnerable are vaccinated …
  • need to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed…

As the NHS is clearly not in danger of being overwhelmed and most vulnerable vaccinated, there is ZERO justification for restrictions to remain. But somehow 8 remain under house arrest

429316 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 24, #1209 of 1871 🔗

Just got a call from the son who is in Poland with his girlfriend and her family.

A friend over there found out she was 8 weeks pregnant

Decided to go and get the vaccine to protect her and the baby.

A doctor friend of the family point blank told her not to risk it but she went anyway.

Miscarried 24 hours alter but of course it has nothing to do with the vaccine according to the hospital.

Not related to any vaccines but concerning anyway:


“the national average rate for stillbirths is 3.8 per thousand. St George’s Hospital typically has a rate of almost half that, but between February and June, it increased from 2.38 to 9.31 per thousand, a recent study showed.

In July alone, the rate was 14.2 per thousand, a sixfold increase from normal.”

Wonder what it was between July and now what with the mask wearing by pregnant women or babies being born with problems due to oxygen deprivation?

Pretty frightening and not in the MSM is it?

429326 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1210 of 1871 🔗

That’s tragic. The birth rate definitely warrants keeping an eye on. I’m still waiting for the ONS to release 2020 birth numbers.

429339 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, 5, #1211 of 1871 🔗

Even more interesting wll be the birth numbers from December – ie of those children conceived after it all started.

The talk so far is of a crash in pregnancies due to economic insecurity and the general social unpleasanrness.

429331 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1212 of 1871 🔗

“Miscarried 24 hours alter but of course it has nothing to do with the vaccine according to the hospital.”

Of course it’s nothing to do with the vaccine. It never will be.
I’d be very interested to know how many pregnant women have had the vaccine and not miscarried versus those that have.
I also wonder if the increase in miscarriages is related to the spike protein….

429381 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to LMS2, 2, #1213 of 1871 🔗

Wasn’t the infertility in Kenyan women a few years ago linked to a spike protein?

I’m sure I read it was on Children’s Health Defence.

429319 Fear is Finite, 28, #1214 of 1871 🔗

How very dare he joke about scotch eggs and haircuts when we can’t legally even see our own family members for months and when our kids are going to be abused with twice weekly medical procedures in order to access education for god knows how long – when does it ever end if you introduce it? Yet again absolutely nobody talking about the blatant ongoing child abuse – masks, tests, bubbles, granny killers etc. It disgusts me.

429321 TJN, replying to TJN, 35, #1215 of 1871 🔗

Email to my MP, Geoffrey Cox, for what it’s worth.

Dear Mr Cox,

I read in The Telegraph Online this afternoon:

A … review will look at Covid vaccine certificates being used domestically. This is interesting as Government ministers had previously played down that possibility.

 So the government is looking at vaccine coercion – a moral abomination on a par with ethnic cleansing or organ harvesting.

Despite the publicity and hype, these so-called ‘vaccines’ (technically, they are not actually vaccines) have not been fully tested, and the great majority of the population – for whom covid poses almost no significant threat – do not need them.

No one knows what the medium- and long-term side-effects of one of these ‘vaccines’ might be – no one . Anyone receiving these ‘vaccines’ is effectively pumping a 5-, 10-, 20-year time bomb into themselves, and waiting on the consequences. And yet this government – a so-called Conservative government – is talking of coercing the population into having them.

I wrote to you last Friday, 19 February 2021 (copied below), asking your position concerning covid vaccine mandation or coercion.

Pardon me, but I want to get clarity on this. So again, what is your position on this abomination?

Your constituents have a right to know where you stand on this.

Yours till next time,

A former Conservative voter.

429525 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TJN, #1216 of 1871 🔗

Superb letter. Will Cox be mounting his own defence at the Covidberg Trials?

429591 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1217 of 1871 🔗

Back in July, in response to an email from me, he told me he was against compulsory vaccines.

This lot need to stand up and be counted – or when this shitshow passes be held accountable, including in court. I look forward to seeing the scum pushing this in the dock for Crimes against Humanity.

Cox, and the other 649, needs to say what side he is on, and now.

429327 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 64, #1218 of 1871 🔗

Just been looking at the comments on The Telegraph concerning masks for school children.
No one defending them, the rage is palpable, including; ‘Die Boris Johnson. Just drop dead’
The hostility and anger expressed so far has warmed my cockles.

429329 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Alex B, 35, #1219 of 1871 🔗

‘Die Boris Johnson. Just drop dead’

Exactly what I’ve been thinking this afternoon – and afterwards rot in hell.

429344 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to TJN, 9, #1220 of 1871 🔗

You know that’s right!

429423 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to TJN, 3, #1221 of 1871 🔗

Hell is too good, probably wouldn’t let him in anyway.

429530 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to isobar, 5, #1222 of 1871 🔗

If there’s anywhere worse than Hell that should be reserved for Blair.

429333 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Alex B, 18, #1223 of 1871 🔗

And to think I was genuinely concerned that he might not make it last year – be careful what you wish for

429352 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Barbara Baker, 15, #1224 of 1871 🔗

What – when he was pretending to have the virus? If you understand that he’s lying now why do you think he was ever telling the truth?

429371 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jos, 10, #1225 of 1871 🔗

Some of us came to the party a week later than others – we can’t all be smart arse know all’s all the time. Main thing is we got here

429453 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Barbara Baker, 5, #1226 of 1871 🔗

All that matter is you are here Barbara. Thanks!

429422 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Alex B, 4, #1227 of 1871 🔗

Same on DM as regards child jabs!

429328 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 17, #1228 of 1871 🔗

On yesterday’s site I saw a brilliantly comic post from ‘The Covid Kid’ which consisted of a mockup of a ‘captur’ graphic so beloved of internet sites that demand to know that you are ‘real’ before giving you access to their spreadsheets of lies and deceit.

It was so clever that in my long waking hours overnight, I formed the idea that we could have a series of these. I am nowhere near capable of producing such a thing, but can only attempt to describe them.

So the first would be a picture of the BBC news studio. The captur would ask you to ‘tick squares containing the truth’. A clock in the top left hand corner would have the only tick on the page.

Then another I imagined would have a picture of the queue of muzzleoids outside Asda near where I live. The captur would ask you to ‘tick squares containing the nearest approximation to humanity’. The three ticked squares would cover the street light.

The third would have a depiction of the inside of the computer modelling department of Imperial College. The captur would ask you to ‘tick squares with signs of intelligence’. The one tick would appear over a background square containing a hamster in a cage.

The possibilities must be endless.

429330 ▶▶ PW, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1229 of 1871 🔗

Absolutely brilliant, Bill, I’m afraid I haven’t got the skills either, surely someone will take it up? Meanwhile I took a couple of pictures of it…..

429516 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Bill, #1230 of 1871 🔗

Yes loved that Covid kid one. I’m happy to knock up a few when I’m back home next week (cough.)

429332 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 40, #1231 of 1871 🔗

“Covid Status Certificates.” They have given the vaccine passport a name. And by announcing a “review” into their implementation they have told us that they are coming. This needs to be fought with everything we have. If we lose that battle then we have lost everything.

429338 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Johnsontown, 28, #1232 of 1871 🔗

Yes, and it needs to be fought Above The Line here. This can’t be ducked any longer.

Toby, are you listening?

429528 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJN, 1, #1233 of 1871 🔗

LS articles have been ducking and diving an awful lot of late. Seems unlikely that LS writers have the stomach to face the mayhem, that’s coming.on apace.

429553 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Rowan, 1, #1234 of 1871 🔗

Indeed. I don’t see how Toby can avoid this much longer. If you were against lockdown on principle, how in God’s Name can you not be against vaccine coercion?

(See, I’m not a troll btw …)

429348 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Johnsontown, 7, #1235 of 1871 🔗

The Blair project

429363 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1236 of 1871 🔗

Which Blair Project?

429515 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Steve F, 1, #1237 of 1871 🔗


429390 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #1238 of 1871 🔗

I’m not so sure it’s a done deal. The scum who are in favour of this, will eventually realise that any such scheme would be discriminatory against certain groups of people based on ‘ethnicity’. That should put the kybosh on it – for domestic purposes at least.

429411 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1239 of 1871 🔗

They care as little for ethnic minorities as they do for the majority, The ‘care’ is a means to an end only.

429695 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jb12, #1240 of 1871 🔗

I’ve been thinking for a while that special treatment for effniks and the disabled might be ditched if a stricter means of social control (eg, vaccination passports) can be introduced.

429334 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 34, #1241 of 1871 🔗

This afternoon Mohammad Yasin MP demanded to know what Boris Johnson was going to do about vaccine non-compliance. Apparently he has never heard of informed voluntary consent or the Nuremberg Code. One has to wonder what the electors of Bedford think they are doing in voting this person into parliament.

429341 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #1242 of 1871 🔗

Box ticking

429354 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1243 of 1871 🔗

Same as they do about flu jab non-compliance

429366 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #1244 of 1871 🔗

How very dare we question the mandatory vaccine, we are only ignorant serfs who have no rights at all. We are unable to do our own research and make a decision regarding our own health. We should not be allowed to question the authorities and make our own risk assessments, we should comply without question.

Anyone who does not comply should have their human rights taken away and it would be our own fault. Off to the gulag for us.

429536 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #1245 of 1871 🔗

It’s very much the way UK medical care has always been. If you question a diagnosis, or ask about side effects or other alternatives, or question anything at all really, they can’t stand it. We’re supposed to just swallow whatever pills they give us like good little girls and boys – we’re not doctors, so we can’t possibly have opinions or knowledge on our own treatment.

429375 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #1246 of 1871 🔗

He comes from an authoritarian shit-hole – it is all he knows.

429336 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #1247 of 1871 🔗


Breaking News

The Government announces the award of an £8bn contract to provide Short Range Nuclear Battlefield Weapons

The contract has been award to Brian a pub landlord from Essex. Brian said it had been a particularly tough year with covid but everyone had pulled together and the award of the contract had put a smile on everyone’s face

Brain heaped particular praise on Tom the potman who obtained an NVQ Level One Qualification in Thermo Nuclear Dynamics during the first lockdown

Brian added “This is well within our capabilities and Tom will be project lead. If you rearrange the letters of my name you can spell Brain”

Brian who has just served six months for threatening an EHO he would ‘shove a boiled carrot where the sun does not shine’ added

“It was a team effort but I think it was the Union Jack beermats that won it in the end”

429340 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1248 of 1871 🔗

Best yet Cecil, keep them coming!

429420 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cecil B, #1249 of 1871 🔗

So good!

429337 ekd, replying to ekd, 49, #1250 of 1871 🔗

This whole thing now is nothing but childish nonsense. The government are children who have been caught telling lies and invent other lies to cover them up. Mask wearers are children following blindly the dictates of their government “parents”. The whole charade is an insult to any real adults, a rapidly diminishing proportion of the population it would appear.

429373 ▶▶ jb12, replying to ekd, 10, #1251 of 1871 🔗

Or it is part of a larger plan to alter the fabric of society and normalise extreme government intervention in the name of public safety. I know which one I think is more likely.

429349 Awkward Git, 7, #1252 of 1871 🔗
429350 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 39, #1253 of 1871 🔗

Simon Dolan retweeted (by Les)

Can someone please explain to me why a successful mars landing cost 2.5 billion and a
useless track and trace app 20 billion?

429355 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PastImperfect, 18, #1254 of 1871 🔗

I think they call it corruption

429356 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #1255 of 1871 🔗

“Doh! Covid, innit”.

429415 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1256 of 1871 🔗

I can actually answer this for you Simon.

When looking for a project lead naturally the good Baroness Dido was one of the first to be consulted, but was unfortunately busy wrecking some other project, not sure exactly which.

Disappointed with this Nasa then approached the obvious other candidate a Mr. N. Ferguson. His initial answer to the approach, “Where’s Mars?” was greeted with some disbelief by the Nasa scientists, but after consulting Wikipedia as to its location, he was able to feed the figures into his computer model and was able to tell them without doubt that landing on Mars was absolutely impossible without another lockdown. So he didn’t get the gig either.

429496 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1257 of 1871 🔗

I’d have accepted another 17.5bn on the Mars mission if they had sent Dido Harding there.

429353 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 14, #1258 of 1871 🔗

Just spoke to my neighbour. She’s thoroughly fed up. Openly admitted to breaking the rules recently.

Is it all starting to fall apart or am I getting too optimistic?

429370 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kenadams, 20, #1259 of 1871 🔗

Had conversation with an estate agent today. I went all-in with anti-lockdown sentiment and she agreed with huge sigh of relief it was so “refreshing” to be stating it. Whole thing: lockdowns are cruel, masks are abusive, tests are madness… just keep spreading the word, peeps!

429413 ▶▶▶ peter-, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #1260 of 1871 🔗

Walked past a series of estate agents locally today (4 out of 7 premises occupied by them) all fully staffed, sitting right next to one another, laughing, having a great time and not a gimp mask in sight. I row with our letting agent on an almost daily basis owing to their incompetence, starting to think they have a good racket going thought…if you can’t beat em, join em.

429466 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to peter-, 1, #1261 of 1871 🔗

My walk to the supermarket takes me past a letting agency. First, 4 staff, no mnc, on the way back, customer inside, less than 1m from door being dealt with a member of staff sorting some paperwork. Customer wears mnc, and so do all the staff sitting 3 metres away!

429417 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to kenadams, 3, #1262 of 1871 🔗

Openly admitted to breaking the rules recently.

Which rules? It’s very hard to break the rules apart from visiting people. Everything is shut and masks are an obvious giveaway.

429463 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Portnadler, #1263 of 1871 🔗

I guess she still wears a mnc when shopping.

429427 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to kenadams, 7, #1264 of 1871 🔗

There have been so many “this is all falling apart” moments which have turned out to be false dawns. So I’m wary about this. But I took my son to the park today. He played happily with other kids, rolling around on the grass with a rugby ball (which was a joy to see). About six of us parents sitting on/standing around a bench, talking, no particular effort at “social distancing”. The same scene being played out across the park by a dozen other groups. The general tenor of the conversation was not outright scepticism (still a social taboo I feel) but great weariness, and a sense of the rules being a bit silly now. A lot of “thank goodness this is nearly over” comments (I raised a cautiously sceptical eyebrow) and massive relief about the kids going back to school. From this I would conclude (a) people are absolutely sick and tired of this (b) people are not following the rules to the letter, quite openly in the case of minor transgressions, and are feeling no shame about it. The mood is certainly very different indeed to last April/May.

429431 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Johnsontown, 7, #1265 of 1871 🔗

It’s PATHETIC that this is a social taboo.

A social taboo is around issues like age of sexual consent.

THIS should NOT be a social taboo question.

It is so utterly serious and MUST be openly debated.

429450 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #1266 of 1871 🔗

I agree. I’m just relaying how it feels to me. Many people don’t talk about their sceptical views openly. It’s difficult to do so. I am massively against all this shit myself but when I go jogging with a friend I find myself reining in my views, sometimes saying conciliatory things I don’t fully believe and hating myself for it. Why? Because we are deeply social creatures, conditioned to go with the herd, and we have been subjected to an intense barrage of propaganda saying that being anti-lockdown is wrong, deluded, dangerous, shameful etc. It’s easy for me to write on here, anonymously, knowing that I am within a like-minded community of heretics. Out there in meat space it’s hard to swim against the tide. This is weak and cowardly, yes, but it is a reality we must acknowledge. It is a great part of the evil that has been unleashed.

429584 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #1267 of 1871 🔗

I didn’t mean you were pathetic, but the general fact that this whole issue has been instilled as some kind of taboo. There ARE subjects that I have raised in the past with people that have been quite taboo subjects and one massages ones views, perhaps, but this shouldn’t be one. The government have tried to make it one with the whole NHS worship thing. Well, I for one don’t buy it. I know for a fact my sister only put up the stupid rainbow because her kids were bored as hell.

429521 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #1268 of 1871 🔗

I met a group of 4 other parents in the park the other day. Between us we had 8 kids… There’s no way any of them would have done that last year.

429517 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kenadams, 1, #1269 of 1871 🔗

I’m willing to bet that nearly 100% of people have broken the rules at some point. They just think it was OK because they were doing it, so it didn’t really count, because they’re too brilliant and important to be KILLING GRANNIES.

429358 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 12, #1270 of 1871 🔗

I’ve been disappointed several times already at the compliance. But, will the forced vaccination of children over the summer finally be the straw that breaks the camals back? Or is there literally nothing now the sheeple won’t do?

429405 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kenadams, 6, #1271 of 1871 🔗

Nothing. Nothing at all. Except things that might compromise their own miserable ‘safety’. Against that, their children count for nothing,

429513 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kenadams, 1, #1272 of 1871 🔗

Most of them will be chomping at the bit to get their kids jabbed I’m afraid.

429361 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 42, #1273 of 1871 🔗


429426 ▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1274 of 1871 🔗

My word, this is absolutely spot on and scary at the same time.

429362 DBSR, replying to DBSR, 10, #1275 of 1871 🔗

Not mentioned in the Commons statement or PMQ but it does look as though the timetable has been reverse engineered to prevent meaningful freedom until after the G7 Cornwall summit (11-13 June). Feels somewhat ominous in terms of any wider agenda and undermines hope of an acceleration to the (asymmetrically data dependent) timetable.

429378 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DBSR, 7, #1276 of 1871 🔗

The G7 is important in all of the dated proposed, is it to stop protests, will there be an annoucement there which the UK population will not be very happy with (or many other countries), is the PM holding out until then so he can do a keynote speech which states how wonderful the UK has been in implementing mandatory vaccines, vaccine passports for international travel, vaccine certificates for everything else and goodness knows what else, who knows. I do expect the PM is expecting to be hailed a hero there.

429367 Fingerache Philip, 3, #1277 of 1871 🔗

Another day, another dozen experts.

429368 BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1278 of 1871 🔗

When reading this it is far too much of a “this has been executed perfectly” report.


Has anyone a link to the original data? I mean it makes no mention of a single vaccinated death. Tickety boo. It implies it with their efficacy stats, but does this include the yellow card reports?

429369 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1279 of 1871 🔗

Was sent this, cannot confirm how reliable or true it is but it was an interesting read anyway:


429389 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1280 of 1871 🔗

Was talking about this earlier today on a walk with a friend, no smoke without fire

429391 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, #1281 of 1871 🔗

Always comes back to the same old names

429401 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to stefarm, 2, #1282 of 1871 🔗

We agreed they were top of the pyramid pulling the string, with Gates almost on a par but not quite

429406 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Lindy, #1283 of 1871 🔗

Gates is nowhere near the top of the pyramid if that family is involved.

429374 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 44, #1285 of 1871 🔗


429384 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 23, #1286 of 1871 🔗

I nipped in to Tesco earlier and saw a little boy around 5 years old with one on. Disgraceful.

429395 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1287 of 1871 🔗

Around me most kids don’t hvae them on which I always took as a good sign. People waiting to be led in the right direction.

429439 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #1288 of 1871 🔗

Saw two young kids muzzled up earlier. They were with their father, also muzzled, and being served outside, as is the way at the small hardware shop. Plenty of other masked morons out in the sunshine too.

429394 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1289 of 1871 🔗

I am always saying this! Yet I agree with informed assent on other issues re children.

429385 Fingerache Philip, 8, #1290 of 1871 🔗

The local trade card advertising local services arrived today and it was roughly half the size of last year’s.
Hardly surprising is it?

429386 l835, 7, #1291 of 1871 🔗

June 21st, yeah right. Have written it on my calendar, and wasted 2cm of ink.

429392 TheClone, 9, #1292 of 1871 🔗

In about 30min the moron-in-charge will hit another nail into economy’s coffin! It might be the final one and he might be finally able to bankrupt the country.

429393 godowneasy, 9, #1293 of 1871 🔗

Today we’ve had Fatberg’s Road to Nowhere. I’m so excited – tomorrow we get Ireland’s version “The Road To Hell” otherwise known as the Plan “Living without living” to be delivered by Ratboy. In the meantime today, “Dates don’t drive anything’: WHO’s Mike Ryan urges Irish public not to focus on when country could reopen”. Thanks for making that clear Big Mike.

429397 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 7, #1294 of 1871 🔗

I bet the clown will announce the vaxx passports tonight! Anyone in?

429414 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to TheClone, 9, #1295 of 1871 🔗

they might bring it in and it will be as successful as track and trace. I don’t know how many times I’ve written Prof Neil Ferguson when going into a pub or restaurant

429421 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 6, #1296 of 1871 🔗

I missed a chance the last time round to say I live at Sesame Street. I won’t be making that mistake again, childhood dream come true.

429425 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1297 of 1871 🔗

I was in Indonesia 15 years ago. Every hotel forced you to put your name and address in a book which was taken to the police station every day and all the tourists names copied over. When I checked in I’d look over the other names – I swear every other one was ‘Harry Potter, 4 Privet Drive’ – so I just did the same.

429467 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to steve_w, 1, #1298 of 1871 🔗

If The Dogs Of War by Forsyth is to be believed, mercenaries exchanged photos of each other (they were all heavily bearded) and signed pledges to leave Africa forever with names like Sebastian Weetabix and Neddy Seagoon.

429468 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, 1, #1299 of 1871 🔗

No wonder the poor bloke is getting so much junk email.

429419 ▶▶ Janette, replying to TheClone, #1300 of 1871 🔗

God please no

429398 happychappy, replying to happychappy, 35, #1301 of 1871 🔗

Point 154 in the full document on the Gov.UK site:

“The Government cannot rule out reimposing economic and social restrictions at a
local or regional level if evidence suggests they are necessary to contain or suppress
a variant which escapes the vaccine.”

This illustrates just how flimsy this ‘return to freedom’s really is. The appearance of new variants is a practical certainty. Vaccines will not protect us from further lockdowns.

429404 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to happychappy, 10, #1302 of 1871 🔗

Vaccines will not protect us from further lockdowns.

I don’t think they are intended to. 🙁

429445 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1303 of 1871 🔗

Vaccines will enable and prompt further lockdowns. The argument will be “we only have to lock down for a few months before the scientists come up with a vaccine”.

429407 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to happychappy, 14, #1304 of 1871 🔗

we aren’t free (probably never were) and won’t be again until the perpetrators are prosecuted

429418 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to steve_w, 3, #1305 of 1871 🔗

Ultimate sanction required rub their names from the history books

429452 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve_w, 7, #1306 of 1871 🔗

We won’t be free until globalist government is replaced by populist government which will ensure there are proper constitutional safeguards, including referenda, to prevent any repetition and which ensure a light is shone on Big Pharma, vaccine efficacy, vaccine effects on natural immunity, vaccine effects on the balance between human survival and respiratory viruses, the evidence (non existent) for lockdown efficacy and mask efficacy. .

429877 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to OKUK, 1, #1307 of 1871 🔗

Well we all know , don’t we that the Big Pharma and Bill Gates are sitting there laughing their heads off.

429403 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 24, #1308 of 1871 🔗

I have mentioned before that my wife is slap bang in the middle of ‘public opinion’.

This is why we never argue – I ask her opinion and the response is what the average person thinks – its a very useful weathervane

She hates the idea of rushed vaccines and isn’t going near them

Today she said ‘Ive heard some reports of vaccine success, but I don’t know if its from a trusted source or the BBC’ – I did smile 🙂

429474 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #1309 of 1871 🔗


429409 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 27, #1310 of 1871 🔗

Warning at the very end of the speech this afetrnoon:

“Finally, Mr Speaker, we must remain alert to the constant mutations of the virus. Next month we will publish an updated plan to responding to local outbreaks with a range of measures to address variants of concern, including surge PCR testing and enhanced contact tracing.

“We can’t, I’m afraid, rule out re-imposing restrictions at a local or regional level if evidence suggests this is necessary to contain or supress a new variant that escapes the vaccine”

So they still plan to screw us at the earliest opportunity.

429416 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1311 of 1871 🔗

How on earth will they know if a “variant” is “escaping the vaccine”? I can’t see how they can draw any meaningful conclusions about vaccine efficacy given the deliberate obfuscation of useful information about the impact of actual covid rather than people who happen to test positive, and the fact that we are probably moving towards herd immunity and coming out of the winter virus season.

429447 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1312 of 1871 🔗

Of course, once they have taken away our freedoms they will never give them back.

429505 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1313 of 1871 🔗

Yep, many places will be trapped in local lockdowns just like last summer, segueing into a full national lockdown in the autumn as the twerps at Imperial shriek about umpteenth waves.

429412 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 17, #1314 of 1871 🔗

I’ve had enough of this Johnson fellow and will do as I please. I also look forward to his incarceration, along with his chums; Hancock, Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson.

429655 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, #1315 of 1871 🔗

You can’t do as you please if you want to go to a pub, restaurant, cinema, theatre, on holiday. But yes, also look forward to something very nasty happening to these evil bastards.

429428 l835, 9, #1316 of 1871 🔗

Perhaps I’ll wake up in the shower tomorrow, just like Bobby Ewing, and it’s 2020…

429432 Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1317 of 1871 🔗

Good evening, everyone. I haven’t watched anything of Bozo and his road map. I expect it’s not going to be good. As ever, I shall be relying on the good folk here to keep me informed. In the meantime, here’s someone we probably hate with equal venom:


429438 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Nymeria, 10, #1318 of 1871 🔗

You haven’t missed much. Absolute piss take. Only encouraging thing is that whatever Daily Mail story on this you choose, reader feedback is overwhelmingly hostile. The problem is converting that hostility into action.

429444 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to isobar, #1319 of 1871 🔗

Thanks, isobar. I wasn’t expecting any encouraging news. I gave up on the Daily Mail weeks ago, but it’s good to hear that the comments are hostile.

429433 Nymeria, 3, #1320 of 1871 🔗
429435 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1321 of 1871 🔗

I wonder if Krankie is currently locked away tweaking her plan (to be announced tomorrow) to allow just one little freedom to get one over on the Fat Twat.

429442 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 13, #1322 of 1871 🔗

Curling can restart on 28 March (but with specially extended brooms).

429451 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to OKUK, 3, #1323 of 1871 🔗

That made me laugh.

429448 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1324 of 1871 🔗

She usually goes harder to show that she is doing a better job.

429502 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1325 of 1871 🔗

Normally she likes to give one less freedom than the Twat, doesn’t she?

429577 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1326 of 1871 🔗

Very true. She’ll tell the people tomorrow:

“Jist look at him; he’s aff his heid! He’s letting the English oot tae roam aw oor the shoap. Well, I will tell you this, no here he isnae. We need tae keep them oot; ah’ll dae anything tae keeps yis aw safe, don’t you worry.”

“Loak doon that border!”

429668 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1327 of 1871 🔗

‘Aye, *hic*, thas’ right, wee Krankie! Ye tell ’em! Up the English bastud! They’ll nivver take oor FREEEEEDOM!’

…och wait, whit ah’m ah sayin’, it’s gone already, the noo…’

429436 Suzyv, 31, #1328 of 1871 🔗

Just listening to a certain sceptic radio show. The census is we will be still be in this situation and lockdown by next Autumn. Any lifting in June is temporary. Unless we push back in greater numbers and especially small businesses and parents with secondary school children (masks, tests etc). They can make up a new variant whenever they fancy. Next Autumn there will be much respiratory illness and sadly deaths if only because there is no immunity built up during the past year from lack of mixing. There will also be the fallout from the vaccines. So as deaths and illnesses go up, it’s a great chance to say it’s from a new killer variant.

429437 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 22, #1329 of 1871 🔗

My view so far, from the sofa.

The government may have let the genie out of the bottle by presenting this as a roadmap to freedom. People may take their revenge on the government if they find the map takes us on long detour to New Variant City and in a mood to tear up the roadmap.

The rationale spelt out as to why we need to regain our freedom as trotted out by Johnson is perfectly valid but applied in May or November 2020 as much as now.

I’ve seen no mention of masking yet or vaccine passporting. Both are outrageous violations of people’s human rights. If they are going to allow those then we are seeing a continuation of lockdown policy.

429443 ▶▶ Wellingborough, replying to OKUK, 6, #1330 of 1871 🔗

They are going to conduct a review into what they are calling COVID-19 certification, i.e. a domestic vaccine passport (although they also mention testing in this regard).

429456 ▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Wellingborough, 10, #1331 of 1871 🔗

I believe also a review into the efficacy (ahem) of masks and the 1 metre rule – to be concluded on (or not before?) 21 June. So these measures are definitely here to stay until then. And quite possibly beyond. We need to lobby hard. If masks are still here in July, then… well… what can you say?

429479 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Wellingborough, 8, #1332 of 1871 🔗

Thanks. They will be judging the public mood no doubt. It’s great that so many people from ethnic minorities have refused the vaccine. That will make it a little difficult for them.

429488 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to OKUK, 2, #1333 of 1871 🔗

I am cynically thinking the covid secure certificate is actually a negative test result and is their way of getting around those who will not have the vaccine.

429532 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1334 of 1871 🔗

I think so too, but it will be financially out of reach for most as you will definitely have to pay for your own, regular, testing.

429559 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to jb12, #1335 of 1871 🔗

The financial issue my initial thoughs were the same but then I honestly believe the government will be so hell bent (still) on people testing they will provide the tests a no cost, if it means they can have their certificates and passports.

The magic money tree will still be bearing fruit!

429562 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1336 of 1871 🔗

Well, I’m not looking forward to sticking the “schwab” up my (very delicate) nose every day!

429580 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Alice, #1337 of 1871 🔗

If they insist on tests sent to your home, why on earth would anyone actually stick it up their own nose delicate or otherwise!

429649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Alice, 1, #1338 of 1871 🔗

A friend of mine with school age children has said if told to test her children at home, she will dip the swab in water, or in her cat’s mouth in order to confound any attempts at DNA harvesting.

429659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1339 of 1871 🔗

Wouldn’t the cat’s DNA then be on the database? No cat DNA harvesting as well as humans!

429619 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1340 of 1871 🔗

I honestly don’t think so. The vaccine will be the ‘free’ option.

429671 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to jb12, #1341 of 1871 🔗

If there hadn’t been a large portion of BAME who had said no to the vaccine I would 100% agree however there could be no obstacles such as paying for tests put in the way of the members of the BAME community gaining their certificate.

429711 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1342 of 1871 🔗

and if you self identify as BAME they can’t refuse you

429593 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to OKUK, 3, #1343 of 1871 🔗

Hubby reckons that the BAME community have been fed lies and propaganda from Russia that has made them anti vaxx. Aside from the irony of this in view of his total devotion to the BBC, he cannot believe that they might have done some independent research and assessed the risks for themselves. Does this make him a racist..??

429624 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #1344 of 1871 🔗

Your husband is a conspiracy theorist.

429458 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to OKUK, 9, #1345 of 1871 🔗

As long as Blair is around, the subject will be kept alive, he is a menace to society

429465 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 2, #1346 of 1871 🔗

As with all agreements most people don’t read the small print.
For the vast majority it will only have registered as freedom by June.
Johnson may have thought he was being clever,giving himself a lot of room to manoeuvre by adding the provisos but as people experience some freedoms and socialising it might be a different prospect when he wants to renege

429475 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1347 of 1871 🔗

Indeed, but I suppose I am arguing the public mood is now swinging strongly in favour of freedom because it has been “permitted” to do so. Johnson has left room for manouevre on both sides of the equation – since he has, possibly for the first time, explicitly stated that there will be a death bill to be paid for regaining our freedom but which will be worth it. He may monitor how big a bill the public is prepared to pay in that regard. I think by now people are totally fed up and really don’t care if we see figures go back towards even 1000 per day for a limited period.

The useless Covid Research Group now need to get off their arses and direct some pointed questions at government, to ensure we never ever see a repeat of this assault on our liberty. They need to expose the lockdown lies, the vaccine lies, the mask lies, the testing lies…but sadly they are all over the place.

429653 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1348 of 1871 🔗

Pictures in the Daily Fail showed thousands of people out and about in London in the nice weather this past weekend. Nearly all maskless. Some sitting in groups. And yet, in the comments, the usual rubbish about ‘virus spreaders’, ‘hope they get what’s coming to them’ etc.

Orwell wrote, ‘if there is hope, it lies in the proles.’ Meaning, if totalitarianism can be overcome, it is not through counter-ideology, but by the simple unideological vivacity of ordinary folk. It may just be fatigue with restrictions that ends all this, leading to a tipping point where most people just don’t bother any more.

429440 TheClone, 21, #1349 of 1871 🔗

Until lockdowns and vaxx passports are forbidden by law I am sure they will use them again and again and again.

429454 BJs Brain is Missing, 33, #1350 of 1871 🔗

Basically, Johnson and co., have you by the short and curlies with this roadmap announcement. There are too many ‘get out’ clauses and conditions to be met. He can stop everything in its tracks with a simple click of his fingers. He needs to be stripped of his powers right now and this country opened up, for those who want to live like a proper human being, and not a caged animal. Enough.

429455 danny, replying to danny, 12, #1351 of 1871 🔗

Not that I will be taking any notice of the incoherent mumblings of Sir Epicure Mammon tonight, but working on the knowledge that millions will, his bizarre logic has quite a few gaps (to say the least). For example, if you can meet one other person outside from a different household, then surely by logic it means that for example, I could meet someone, whilst my wife could meet the person with the person that I have met? A family of 6 could then meet 6 more individuals?
It then says you can meet outside, but not gardens. Ok, so what about front steps?
It says coffee or picnics. Ok, so if you happened to erect a tent in the park to shield you from the sun and rain for said picnic, with said 6 people, would that be ok?
The other tragically hilarious point of course is that when it comes to being “allowed” into the house of another, you could be arrested for doing so at 11.59 the day before, but not “dangerous” at midnight.

429643 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to danny, 1, #1352 of 1871 🔗

Sadly the last year has shown that most people will tie themselves up in knots trying to obey every jot and tittle of the law when it comes to lockdowns, even if it does not make any logical sense. Some will even go further and event ‘rules’ of their own based on nothing whatsoever.

429460 isobar, replying to isobar, 17, #1353 of 1871 🔗

Sir Charles Walker

Like Redundant Pilot, I just had a very nice reply to an email that I sent to him. Bar a few, head and shoulders above most of our other MPs.

429484 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 5, #1354 of 1871 🔗

I have too today, well done Charles and his team.

429657 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1355 of 1871 🔗

So did I. An excellent reply, well ahead of the ones I get from my own MP, even though he is also in the CRG.

429461 DomW, replying to DomW, 10, #1356 of 1871 🔗

Ready to go with saucepan, spoon and hearty boos when the PD appears for its briefing

429471 ▶▶ DomW, replying to DomW, 8, #1357 of 1871 🔗

I’m sure no-one was paying attention but I do feel much better for that

429462 OKUK, 12, #1358 of 1871 🔗

I was thinking there was an echo today of the feeling at the end of the Great War, the “wasteland” feeling so well captured by TS Eliot.

There was happiness that the war was at an end, or so it seemed (many historians now characterise the whole period from 1914 to 1945 as one horrific continuing war). But also a kind of disbelief and disgust at the staggering mass slaughter – and all for what? On the Allied side millions had been killed in pointless offensives that did not win the war,and did not strengthen defence. On the Central Powers side their sacrifice had been for nothing, ending in humiliating defeat, starvation and ruin.

I sense a bit of that sort of mood now.

Now the PM is talking about the importance of freedom, life chances, the economy, cultural life and so on, surely there must be question marks over whether the sacrifice really worth it? I hope there is a growing public cynicism about the efficacy of lockdowns, mass testing, mandatory masks and vaccination programmes. Of course the problem now though, unlike in the 1920s there is no freedom of speech or thought. Big Pharma, Big Tech and the globalists control the MSM and social media, using censorship to ensure the truth is surpressed.

429464 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 20, #1359 of 1871 🔗

Vaccine passport bombshell: Pubs could be off limits to anyone without Covid jabs | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

It is happening!!! I fear there are many who get the vaccine who will feel extremely guilty about this.

A large part of my life is going to the bowling club and having a few pints with my dad. I have tried my absolute best to get my dad to see reason but he won’t have any of it. I know this will be a bodyblow for him when I become an outcast.

429481 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JHUNTZ, 29, #1360 of 1871 🔗

I have no problem with those here or anywhere who wish to have a vaccine, I cannot defend my own right not to have one, if I do not defend the right of people to have a vaccine. The big however though is the virtue signalling we have seen from the zealots will now be fully transferred to making life hell for those not vaccinated, by forcing the narrative towards passports. It will virtually be the same amount of people with the same outrage against those daring to go against the narrative.

From this narrative the MSM and social media will support it and the government will be their normal gutless selves and impose it.

As someone previously wrote on LS, apologies I cannot remember who but if Bliar wants something that is a very good reason to do the total opposite.

429612 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #1361 of 1871 🔗

The government would not be ‘gutless’ to do so. It is their intention to proceed with this strategy. They are receiving their orders from the technocrats around Big Pharma and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the bankers around the Federal Reserve, by way of the Trilateral Commission.

429489 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 28, #1362 of 1871 🔗

Free houses with no muzzles or vaxx restrictions will make GOOD money.

429492 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #1363 of 1871 🔗


As long as a free market is allowed, vax restrictions will be inevitably undermined.

If free houses make good money, then eventually the ‘restricted houses’ will make a profit-seeking move to ‘unresticted’ , as it becomes clear that the unvaccinated are not dangerous.

429556 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to rockoman, 5, #1364 of 1871 🔗

“As long as a free market is allowed”…

429557 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to rockoman, 13, #1365 of 1871 🔗

The free market has not existed for 15 months.

The only hope is underground pubs or fake certificates. We’re in prohabition territory.

429569 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1366 of 1871 🔗

I hope I meet you one day at a Sceptical Speakeasy.

429740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Alice, 1, #1367 of 1871 🔗

I hope so too I find company with sceptics far more appealing than sheeple.

429583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1368 of 1871 🔗

Agreed. Spent a good many hours, unable to sleep last night, trying to figure out a way to forge my mother’s vaccination card.

429638 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Nymeria, 4, #1369 of 1871 🔗

Eventually there will be no escape.Dr Gates has just the thing;an embedded tattoo that carries your vaccine history.This must be stopped before it starts or we are all doomed.

429510 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #1370 of 1871 🔗

Yes, and good company. Let the dickheads infest the passport pubs.

429546 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #1371 of 1871 🔗

Normal pubs for normal people.

429700 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1372 of 1871 🔗

Back in December I was able to frequent two bars where there were no masks, no substantial meals and you could sit at the bar and order.

429506 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JHUNTZ, 26, #1373 of 1871 🔗

Stand your ground. My bet is that those who have the vaccine will regret it in the end.

Never, never merely follow the herd. Go on your own instincts and reason.

429893 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, 3, #1374 of 1871 🔗

Observe the masses. Do the opposite.

429622 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #1375 of 1871 🔗

Difficult one there, but hopefully we won’t reach that point.

Personally I wouldn’t want to go in a pub that required you to show a vaccine passport, even if I had managed to get a forged one.

429470 Jody, replying to Jody, 43, #1376 of 1871 🔗

I listened to Boris Johnson very carefully today, and I thought what he had to say was worthless: full of caveats, conditions and moveable targets.

In fact, all he did was push any hope of a “normal” life further into the future: late June, as long as a whole set of poorly-defined criteria are met.

He also said that the population’s relative freedom in the future will be conditional on the uptake of continuously-updated “vaccines”.

There is going to be an enquiry into “Covid-certification” (vaccine passports), and he had little to say about the opening-up of travel.

The return of children to schools is welcome (in another two weeks’ time), but the sort of regime they are going to have to work under doesn’t look very appealing, or anything like an authentic educational experience. In fact, it appears that children are simply going to be subjected to a mass-testing regime in the schools for a couple of weeks, before being sent back home for the Easter “holiday”.

The hospitality industry has been thrown under the bus again, and any eventual re-opening is going to be a nightmare to administer, given the slew of restrictions the government seems determined to impose.

I see no evidence that the government is really very serious about any of this. All Johnson did today was push decisions down the road, in the hope of fending-off growing disquiet on his own backbenches. He had to give way on school re-opening, because the political pressure was too strong, but I don’t see any change of direction on anything else.

For all the hoo-ha in the media today, the truth is that in a week or two’s time everything is going to look pretty much the same as it does now. New variants and more problems, more reasons to prolong the crisis, will emerge, and the “crisis” will continue; because, of course, it is intended that the “crisis” should continue.

429476 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Jody, 9, #1377 of 1871 🔗

I fear we are so far down the totalitarian rabbit hole now that the mechanisms of state bureaucracy couldn’t be reversed even if someone was in a position to order it.

The opening up will be a redefining of the language.

Freedom is slavery.

429494 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Noumenon, 5, #1378 of 1871 🔗

Yes. This was the problem in the Soviet Union and Eastern bloc in the 1980s. There were serious attempts at reform, but the system was not reform-able

429547 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Jody, 4, #1379 of 1871 🔗

In the Eastern Bloc countries it was the ultimate heresy to say this in public – that the system couldn’t be reformed. Because the implication then would be that the system had to be changed – and that amounted to “counter-revolutionary agitation”, according to the authorities.

429478 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jody, 17, #1380 of 1871 🔗

That’s a good summary, and makes a change from just more ranting at the bleedin’ obvious.

But :

I see no evidence that the government is really very serious about any of this

What they’re ‘serious’ about is playing extended games with the collective head of a public that has excelled itself in compliance.

429483 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to RickH, 2, #1381 of 1871 🔗

Correct, Rick.

429487 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to RickH, 1, #1382 of 1871 🔗

They are serious about injecting everyone with ……. (Your choice theory here )

429490 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #1383 of 1871 🔗

IMO it’s less about the contents of the stabs and more about the surveillance and command and control apparatus that can come on the back of making it de facto mandatory.

429500 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Katabasis, 12, #1384 of 1871 🔗

The “vaccines” are the Trojan Horse for the digital surveillance.

I have to say I am also highly suspicious of what is in them, and will not be taking one myself, unless they hold me down and force me.

429555 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jody, 7, #1385 of 1871 🔗

I thought being on this forum you would have known by now that this isn’t ever going to end. The end goal is nothing to do with the virus.

429691 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1386 of 1871 🔗

Yes, of course.

429699 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1387 of 1871 🔗

Don’t think that it ever has been. Darker forces at work here.

429636 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jody, 4, #1388 of 1871 🔗

IMO the ‘roadmap’ is circular, a distraction to keep compliance going until the autumn when a ‘new variant’ (ie, normal seasonal respiratory infection) starts to rise. Schools going back is a sop to keep wavering parents on side, and compulsory testing will help keep the casedemic going.

429714 ▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1389 of 1871 🔗

Yes, “roadmap” is a holding position. They know the summer is the most difficult time to hold the line, so the dates Johnson announced today will be pushed further back, and they will allow a very brief relaxation around July/August (it won’t be much: a few beers on the beach or in the park, then back to full lockdown in September).

The problem is, I get no impression that the public has any stomach to rebel. We keep waiting for it, don’t we, but it never arrives.

I’ve never felt as demoralised as I do now. A very small, naive part of me thought that maybe, just maybe, backbench pressure might have shifted Johnson a bit today, but he basically just told them to “f*** off”, Starmer got up and supported him, and we are just stuck in our prison camp.

The only thing that Johnson said that was true is that they have plenty more new injections lined-up for the population.

429784 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jody, 2, #1390 of 1871 🔗

There’s also the G7 summit coming up, they can’t really get away with holding that during full lockdown.

I actually don’t feel too bad, I’ve sort of made peace with this madness for the time being, but I need to be careful not to slip into complacency or acceptance. As St Matthew says, ‘from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.’

429472 Smelly Melly, 4, #1391 of 1871 🔗

Is Ladbrokes taking bets on lockdown not ending on 21st June? Thought not.

429477 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #1392 of 1871 🔗

As much as this road map is ridiculous, at least you have an idea what is happening. Here in N Ireland we are locked down until 1st April (with a review on 18th March – they want to make sure no St Patricks day parties). So we don’t have a clue what is opening up and when, apart from some classes of schools gradually returning before 1st April. I guess as usual they are waiting to see how the mainland does and will decide from there.
Once again though, it will be back to them ‘allowing’ people to meet anywhere but their own homes. What utter tripe.

429549 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #1393 of 1871 🔗

To what degree do you think the bould Arlene is being influenced by policy south of the border? And on St Patrick’s, do you think it is likely nationalist/republicans might kick off?

429614 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #1394 of 1871 🔗

I sympathise with you. My husband and I were discussing the restrictions in Northern Ireland yesterday and I who despair some days, today being one of living in Scotland, said I was glad we didn’t live in Northern Ireland, as out of all the four nations, the Northern Irish have it worse.
We can walk to the English border but it would be impossible for us to swim if we lived in Ireland.

We wait and see what the Harridan from the north bestows on us Scots. I rant and rave but I will ignore the whole lot to the best of my ability.

429480 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #1395 of 1871 🔗

Any news on furlough? Lockdowns will last as long as it does.

429482 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 13, #1396 of 1871 🔗

Exactly this. Ignore everything else. Follow the money.

They can’t stop lockdown without either:

a) stopping furlough

b) introducing UBI

429491 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Noumenon, 3, #1397 of 1871 🔗

Yes, forgot about UBI. Maybe they’ll just rebrand furlough some time soon.

429629 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #1398 of 1871 🔗

They’re probably on the phone to Schwab right now. ‘Great master, give us a sign, when cometh thy Great Reset? The people hunger for thee, o great one!’

429486 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1399 of 1871 🔗

Most likely to be announced in next weeks Budget.

429607 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1400 of 1871 🔗

He indicated that it would continue.Confirmation in the budget in 2 weeks

429485 Ceriain, 6, #1401 of 1871 🔗

Fat twat sets himself up: he said “we will not go back”.

He knows that’s a lie; he’s added a huge caveat in the report on the Gov site saying he will if he feels he has to. He told Mr Speaker the same thing.

Whitty doing slides: misleading again – using reported dates for ‘cases’ and ‘deaths*’.

*Usual caveats apply.

429493 stevie, replying to stevie, 14, #1402 of 1871 🔗

Mark Harper , chair of the Covid Recovery Group, which represents lockdown-sceptic Tories, says the PM’s response to him in the Commons earlier (see 4.47pm) implied a return to further restrictions next winter. In a statement Harper says:

In answer to my question in parliament today, the prime minister said that those who “have not taken up the vaccine” mean that “there is still a substantial body of risk” to the rest of society.

There are two important questions raised by his answer.

The chief scientific adviser has said Covid-19 will become endemic and is going to be with us “forever”.

For the rest of time, with Covid endemic, can society really be held back by those who choose not to have a vaccine?

How does the prime minister’s rationale for delaying lifting restrictions past the end of April, once the most vulnerable groups accounting for 99% of deaths are protected, not lead us into further restrictions as we move into the winter when respiratory viruses tend to become more prevalent?

429497 ▶▶ iane, replying to stevie, 22, #1403 of 1871 🔗

If the vaccines work (and don’t kill/seriously injure too many), those who have been vaxxed have nothing to fear; the others are making their own risk assessments. So F.O. Bozo!

429548 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to iane, 6, #1404 of 1871 🔗

Yes, but that is a sane persons rational, these people are psychopaths.

429646 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stevie, 4, #1405 of 1871 🔗

The prime minister said that those who “have not taken up the vaccine” mean that “there is still a substantial body of risk” to the rest of society.

So he’s admitting that the vaccine doesn’t work then, if the unvaccinated are a risk to the vaccinated? And if they’re not a risk, because the vaccine works, then they’re only a risk to other people who haven’t been vaccinated, surely?

Isn’t everyone who hasn’t had the flu vaccine (and they don’t even bother offering it to a large percentage of the population) therefore a risk to society too?

429686 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1406 of 1871 🔗

The take-up of the flu vaccine is consistently around 70% for the elderly and only 40% for the vulnerable so people clearly weren’t that bothered!

429495 DanClarke, 7, #1407 of 1871 🔗

Wonder if we’ll ever be rid of these wreckers of society, can’t believe there are not as many with equal power who don’t want to see it wrecked

429498 dpj, replying to dpj, 23, #1408 of 1871 🔗

Whitty says the number of people testing positive has “fallen and is continuing to fall”, but the rates are “still very high”.
On hospital admissions, he says “there is a significant fall that is continuing, but the rates are still high”.
He points out that the number of deaths is “falling, and falling steadily”.
He says this is almost entirely down to people following the lockdown rules in all four nations.
“But we have had this really extraordinary rollout of vaccinations,” he adds.

They just can’t bring themselves to admit that lockdowns don’t work can they? Lots of experts were saying everything would start to improve a week or two in to January because that’s what happens every year, nothing to do with lockdowns, and that’s exactly what has happened.

429503 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dpj, 11, #1409 of 1871 🔗

He’s also bumbling and stumbling over his words. I’ve always found that to be a sign that someone is either lying, or is not 100% believing what they are saying.

429535 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1410 of 1871 🔗

or drunk , or in the early stages of Alzheimers

429632 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1411 of 1871 🔗

Unlike the rest of the shower, Whitty is not comfortable telling lies.

429519 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to dpj, 6, #1412 of 1871 🔗

He’s still talking about cases “surging” if we let things go, yet has never once referred to the fact that at the moment everything is “plummeting”. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

429499 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #1413 of 1871 🔗

I wonder how different Johnson’s announcement woukld be today if he, like Drakeford and Sturgeon, was facing an election in May where he might find himself unemployed like those two and members of their respective parties.

429507 ▶▶ iane, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #1414 of 1871 🔗

Probably no change. The polls certainly suggest much of the public are behind him and I have heard normally sane neighbours talking and stating that Bozo et al are doing their best in trying circumstances. I’ve mostly given up trying to educate them – or even get them to educate themselves: brick walls are nicer to bash one’s head against!

429501 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 11, #1415 of 1871 🔗

Here’s what the ‘roadmap’ on the .gov website actually says:

“…all the dates in the roadmap are indicative and subject to change. There will be a minimum of five weeks between each step” (my emphasis)

429511 ▶▶ l835, replying to Katabasis, 8, #1416 of 1871 🔗

And that MOST restrictions SHOULD be lifted by June 21. So which are we keeping? Masks? Social distancing? Trac n trace?

429540 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to l835, 3, #1417 of 1871 🔗

How about peaceful protest, will that ever be allowed again. (That’s not BLM of course)

429570 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1418 of 1871 🔗

How about banging your pots and pans on your doorsteps?

429660 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to this is my username, 3, #1419 of 1871 🔗

NO never, the neighbors will think I’m praising the NHS and will join in. Going to print protest T-shirts

429568 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to l835, 5, #1420 of 1871 🔗

June 21st is the solstice – a high satanic holiday.

429504 Fear is Finite, 13, #1421 of 1871 🔗

Whitty prattling on about vaccine studies (no I’m not sure why I’m listening, maybe hoping the press find some balls and ask a decent question). Who f’ing cares? I have an immune system! It’s not perfect but managed to see off Covid last March when we had it in our house. They talk so much about hospitalisations and deaths, is it any wonder that joe public thinks they’re immediately gonna die if the rona gets close. There’s literally no context in terms of prior immunity/ no symptoms/ mild symptoms/ severe symptoms/ hospitalisation/ death. RIP to our immune systems. Bloody Kunsberg now, might as well stick pins in my eyes.

429508 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 18, #1422 of 1871 🔗

The pressure put on the government by the Brexit party needs to happen again. We need another party whose manifesto is the opposite of the 3 we have now.

429518 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1423 of 1871 🔗
429526 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 2, #1424 of 1871 🔗


429625 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Victoria, 1, #1425 of 1871 🔗

And Heritage Party – but they are probably too “extreme” for some people.

429627 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Alice, #1426 of 1871 🔗

Do sound a bit right wing

429538 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1427 of 1871 🔗

Problem is this pile of shit dictators still have another 3 years and 9 months in power.

429552 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Andrew K, 9, #1428 of 1871 🔗

Not if someone takes a lucky potshot at the g7 summer camp later

429827 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Skippy, #1429 of 1871 🔗

Could we be that lucky?

429558 ▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1430 of 1871 🔗

Not just the government, the Labour Party as well.

429509 Ceriain, 6, #1431 of 1871 🔗

Johnson just coughed into his fist; WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!

429512 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 35, #1432 of 1871 🔗

Have you seen this?!

Face masks should be worn in the classroom where it is impossible for secondary students to keep two metres apart, the Government has said.
Ministers are now recommending the use of face masks in “all indoor environments” in secondary schools, colleges and universities – including during lessons – where social distancing cannot be maintained.

…. Secondary school students will be asked to take four lateral flow tests during the first two weeks of term, three of which will take place at school and one will be taken at home. …. Students will be allowed to continue coming to school as long as their tests are negative, but if they have a positive result they will be asked to go home and isolate. Students will then also be asked to take two lateral flow tests each week at home and report their results to teachers at school. If they get a positive result, they will need to immediately isolate and follow it up with a confirmatory PCR test.

…. The National Deaf Children’s Society has criticised the demand for face masks, saying that bringing them into the classroom will have a “devastating” effect on deaf children’s studies, mental health and ability to take part in lessons. Ian Noon, the charity’s head of policy, said: “With England’s 35,000 deaf pupils close to a return to education, the goalposts on face masks have moved yet again. “We cannot have a situation where thousands of deaf children and young people are unable to understand their teacher, leaving many with little point in even attending class.”

…. An open letter to the Prime Minister, signed by a hundred academics, medics, paediatricians and clinical psychologists, said that face masks should “play no part in the life of healthy children”.
The roadmap, published today, says: “The Government also recommends that the use of face coverings in higher education, further education and secondary schools is extended for a limited period to all indoor environments – including classrooms – unless 2m social distancing can be maintained. “Face coverings are now also recommended in early years and primary schools for staff and adult visitors in situations where social distancing between adults is not possible, for example, when moving around in corridors and communal areas.



429523 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1433 of 1871 🔗

This will result in physical and psychological health consequences for years to come.

429534 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Katabasis, 14, #1434 of 1871 🔗

They don’t care they want everybody dead. The elite want the planet for themselves. Next facemasks in all outdoor settings.

429541 ▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Andrew K, 12, #1435 of 1871 🔗

I have said this before, but arm yourself. Even in the UK guns are more available than you think. Violence is coming.

429545 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1436 of 1871 🔗


After that, look for them to start policing mask type, quality, and fit much more closely.

429564 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1437 of 1871 🔗

Bound to come

429688 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1438 of 1871 🔗

Almost certainly. When they were introduced in Cyprus the politicians there openly admitted that it was a political rather than public health decision.

429661 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1439 of 1871 🔗

Coming soon in a propaganda channel near you, corporate pseudo-science asserting the efficacy of masks, i’m actually surprised they haven’t concocted some fake peer reviewed studies already.

429698 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1440 of 1871 🔗

“asked”, well the answer will be no then.

429514 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 24, #1441 of 1871 🔗

So I am mentioned on here quite a few times I believe the 1922 committee are the only ones who can stop the PM in his tracks by threatening his position. My view on that has not changed and in fact after hearing on here the “details” of the roadcrash to “freedom” I think there will be quite a pushback against the lack of freedoms, both from backbench MP’s and some of the general public.

For me reason above I am very close to actually joining the Conservative party in order to vote on the next leader. It is not something I thought I would do as I have stated I will not vote for Conservative again, however if my vote in a leadership election ensured a candidate won who is against everything currently happening then I think it may be worth doing.

429684 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1442 of 1871 🔗

you’d be wasting your time joining the Conservatives. Unlike Labour, where the votes are heavily weighted towards the membership, the Conservatives MP’s vote till there’s two candidates then the membership vote. I have heard that had the membership had their way then Priti Patel would have been on the ballot. Guess that’s why she got the Home Secretary job and is untouchable.

429744 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1443 of 1871 🔗

Yes true, the two going forward to the members would have to be worth voting for. Following this through though if the 1922 ditch the PM, that will mean the backbenchers no longer support him or his current actions. If he is deposed then I am presuming it will be to change the narrative, so an interim leader would be put in place who is not pro the current measures.

Moving on to a leadership election, the backbenchers who deposed the PM are unlikely to put forward possible leadership candidates who are of the same thinking to the current PM, hence my belief the two candidates for the members to vote for would not come from the current shambles.

I may be being too optimistic about the PM going and a far better replacement but any optimism is better than all the doom and gloom

429824 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1444 of 1871 🔗

Yes, you’re right in that the 1922 are certainly capable of taking down their leader. Let’s face it, wouldn’t be the first time now would it?!

I believe a caretaker PM can only come about, if the Opposition seriously challenges and looks like toppling the PM ( not totally sure, I may be wrong with this) – of course this is hardly likely anyway at the mo, given that any time the chips are down and a vote for anything comes up, Starmer just says, ‘how high?’ when Boris says ‘jump’.

I too had the thoughts about the Tory members & how much influence they would have in a pending leadership vote – and, to echo crimsonpirate above, it’s not huge influence. Also, since leave.eu ran interference with the last election on multiple prominent Tory MPs, either forcing deselection or tempting them to jump ship, my understanding is that they modified the criteria now, you have to be a member for a certain period of time [ie. not just a few days/weeks] to be able to vote in things like leadership matters.

429853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1445 of 1871 🔗

3 months as a member to be able to vote. With the current 80 seat majority, there is no need for the opposition to oppose or support anything, at least Labour have been consistant in that! If the 1922 have the numbers to win a no confidence vote then the PM will be gone, if there is a majority to get rid of him the same majority will put in place someone who is the opposite to the current PM.

The Tories have always been far more ruthless in getting rid of leaders than any other party, I hope for everyone’s sake they continue that tradition!

429527 Dartford44, 5, #1446 of 1871 🔗

Could not take anymore when Sam Coates asks” would it be a resignation matter if we went into another lockdown”.

429529 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 18, #1447 of 1871 🔗

Kuntsberg is saying that models are suggesting another 30,000 deaths to come as a result of opening up, and that’s an optimistic level. Anyone heard of, or know which model she is talking about? Ferguson again?

Whitty said there WILL be a surge in cases to come.

PissedOn has asked Bojo about vax passports: Bojo says it will be looked at, but that they may have a role in future. So that’s a “Yes, they’re coming!”

429537 ▶▶ l835, replying to Ceriain, 40, #1448 of 1871 🔗

If the entertainment industry doesn’t want my money because I don’t have a vax cert, that’s fine. I’ve managed without them for 12 months.

429542 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to l835, 21, #1449 of 1871 🔗

I’ve managed without them for 12 months.

Yep. I think a lot of businesses are going to have to think about exactly that.

429574 ▶▶▶▶ Eddy16, replying to Ceriain, 10, #1450 of 1871 🔗

I find I have little interest in sport these days as well. Same thing, and because of the BLM thing as well.

429685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Eddy16, 12, #1451 of 1871 🔗

Yes if pubs and restaurants insist on vax they will lose my money…I shall just go back to my 1980s life when I did all the cooking….fuck them!

429566 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to l835, 13, #1452 of 1871 🔗

Same here although a free thinkers clued up music festival featuring Killing Joke*, right said Fred, Ian brown, Eric Clapton and van Morrison would suit me down to the ground.

*Great interview with jaz Coleman front man of killing joke in this month’s light paper

429598 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to stefarm, 7, #1453 of 1871 🔗

SEE! Why hasn’t anyone organised such a thing? I believe that those are very prominent musicians, Eric Clapton I guess even beyond A list in stature.

We NEED to get them leading out front, too!

Does anyone know these people personally?

429663 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to FedupofLies, #1454 of 1871 🔗

I don’t do Twitter but might be worth a tweet to any of the above

429742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to stefarm, #1455 of 1871 🔗

I’d write to any such people as well.

429634 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to l835, 7, #1456 of 1871 🔗

Quite. People are used to their Deliveroos and Netflix now. And many people, in particular those who support vax passports, will never be able to go to a crowded place again, such is their fear. Those that aren’t fearful probably can’t be arsed with all the passport and testing rigmarole. It won’t work (hopefully).

429565 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1457 of 1871 🔗

which model? Maybe Kate Moss…. Not sure what Twiggy is up to these days. Any of these models can come up with better guesses on future deaths

429631 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1458 of 1871 🔗

There are 3 or 4 models they are currently following I think. The usual culprits – Imperial, Warwick, Cambridge/PHE. They are predicting up to 4000 deaths per day in July (depending on how restrictions are lifted) so we’ll have another 30,000 in a jiffy, in Model World anyway.

So if there WILL be a SURGE in cases, does that mean he’s admitting that we will yet again have to Stay Home and Protect the NHS, or are they now accepting that this will happen as part of opening up?

And those 30,000 deaths will occur by when? The end of time?

429788 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1459 of 1871 🔗

4000 deaths per day in July

I was going to say you couldn’t make it up, but they clearly are.

429727 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1460 of 1871 🔗

They can shove their ‘models’, which have been shown to be totally fking useless, up their mathematical derrieres.

429531 danny, replying to danny, 95, #1461 of 1871 🔗

Masks on children, even in the classroom.
As a teacher I am beyond disgusted. Schools are supposed to be safe spaces, where kids from all walks of life, ethnicities, social classes, come together and learn together. I did not sign up to be a part of this vile terror campaign. This is utterly repellent.

429551 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to danny, 29, #1462 of 1871 🔗

I still can not believe how many people don’t see this as child abuse.

429560 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to danny, 27, #1463 of 1871 🔗

That is why this whole thing must be turned around by mass protest beginning this March.

429692 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #1464 of 1871 🔗

Something along the lines of the poll tax may be needed though so I doubt the current populace would be up to that. I would though…

429713 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #1465 of 1871 🔗

Totally agree but it seems far too many don’t see this as the abomination we do and will just go along with it.

429563 ▶▶ TJN, replying to danny, 24, #1466 of 1871 🔗

Masks on children is a moral abomination.

429573 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to danny, 12, #1467 of 1871 🔗

Many teachers are marxists and think get them young to control, my niece is a teacher and has gone along with this, buying her young daughter a fashion mask, thought that was ok

429578 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to DanClarke, 18, #1468 of 1871 🔗

“Fashion” masks are akin to bedazzling a shackle.

429592 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to DanClarke, 16, #1469 of 1871 🔗

I believe in death penalty for leaders of teachers unions and other prominent voices who have supported this crime against humanity.

429739 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, #1470 of 1871 🔗


429680 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1471 of 1871 🔗

Is she a marxist?

429737 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to danny, #1472 of 1871 🔗

Good to have someone on the inside with a correct understanding, danny. What are the unions saying ?

429856 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to JohnB, 3, #1473 of 1871 🔗

In general, the union stance continues to be inflate fears of teachers contracting deadly pathogen in a bid to keep school safe closed until new working contracts can be drawn up by a desperate government.
Teachers have been complicit, and most of them seem to think forcing a kid into a muzzle is no different from tucking their shirt in.

429533 Smelly Melly, 17, #1474 of 1871 🔗

I couldn’t’t be bothered to listen to the Pig Dictator, but will the Covid Act be repealed and the powers politicians have awarded themselves given up? I won’t hold my breath.

429539 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1475 of 1871 🔗

…. With a number of businesses considering the use of covid status certification, such as proof of vaccination or a negative test, the Government will also consider to what extent this will play a role in the return to normal.
Despite repeatedly ruling out domestic vaccine passports, this could mean that in the near future venues may request some form of certification as a condition of entry.


Vaccine passports could be introduced to reopen the economy. Boris Johnson has not ruled out the possibility of vaccination certificates for work or visiting culture venues
…. Robert Buckland, the Justice Secretary, has already given a glimpse of the Government’s thinking in accepting that requiring vaccinations for new employees could be legally justified but is likely to be fraught with legal pitfalls for existing employees.
He said compelling new staff to be inoculated could, in theory, be possible if it was written into their contracts. “I think that has to be the case because we’re dealing with existing terms of contracts of employment, thousands of existing contracts,” he said.
He added that the legality of “no jab, no job” would depend “very much on the terms of employment and the particular contract.”
“Generally speaking I’d be surprised if there were contracts of employment existing now that did make that approach lawful. I think frankly the issue would have to be tested,” he said.

…. Asked at last week’s No 10 press conference whether he would support the idea of businesses and organisations requiring people to have such certificates, Mr Johnson said: “For the purposes of this country and doing things within the domestic UK economy, we will look at everything.”
But he said: “What we are thinking of at the moment is more of a route that relies on mass vaccination – we intend to vaccinate all of the adults in the country by the autumn – plus lateral flow testing.”
Those rapid tests would help “the toughest nuts to crack” including nightclubs and some theatres which had been unable to open last year. “I think that will be the route that we go down and that businesses will go down,” he said.


429544 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, 67, #1476 of 1871 🔗

There’ll be one business in a corner of Essex that will NEVER, EVER consider this …

429554 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to kh1485, 16, #1477 of 1871 🔗

😁 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

429606 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 6, #1478 of 1871 🔗

Gaun yersel’, hen.*

*(Translation service is available.)

429706 ▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1479 of 1871 🔗

“You’re not taking this pandemic seriously and putting lives at risk” I assume?

429785 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Adamb, 1, #1480 of 1871 🔗

LOL! Yeah, something like that. 🙂

429675 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kh1485, 3, #1481 of 1871 🔗

my worry is some business like a cafe may consider this and try this out long before the official lifting of the lockdown like what happened in Israel in the past couple of weeks. If it does happen, it will be interesting to see the response of the authorities.

429679 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to crimsonpirate, 18, #1482 of 1871 🔗

I refuse to ask any customer for details of their medical history. It is none of my business just as my medical history is none of theirs.

429611 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1483 of 1871 🔗

And right there is the reason for destroying small businesses up and down the country. Where will people turn to now for their shopping, the big, compliant (complicit) retail outlets that will require your covipass to access their goods. All the little shops who would have dodged this rubbish will have been destroyed in order to ‘build back better’.

429618 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Mike, 12, #1484 of 1871 🔗

Yeah, but where are these little shops? France has local butchers and bakers etc in every large village. In this cuntry, can you really say the same?

The ‘farm shop’ near me is really just a smaller and posher supermarket with some wanker in Wellington boots manning the door to make sure only one person from one household goes in. The stock is mostly stuff I could get in certain aisles in Wankrose. I mean, the butchers is locally sourced meat, right enough. But it’s hardly the kind of community shops that used to exist.

429678 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #1485 of 1871 🔗

Some of the bigger ‘farm shops’ are glorified supermarkets now thats very true.

429901 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mike, 1, #1486 of 1871 🔗

Having said which, my local shop now has a hand-scribbled sign on the door saying “no mask no entry.” Won’t be going there again!

429543 Katabasis, 10, #1487 of 1871 🔗

The covid stabs are “a miracle” now, apparently.

429550 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 15, #1488 of 1871 🔗

Face nappies likely to be re-introduced for winter.

429582 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Katabasis, 9, #1489 of 1871 🔗

I doubt they will ever completely go away

429586 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Julian, 4, #1490 of 1871 🔗

They HAVE to or else it would mean we will fail in confronting, exposing and turning back the Pharmaceutical Totalitarian State.

429608 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Julian, 17, #1491 of 1871 🔗

As well as a health disaster, they are an environmental disaster, an estimated 53 million masks are ending up in landfill every day in the UK. Take hundreds of years to degrade

429604 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Katabasis, 3, #1492 of 1871 🔗

I’ll be amazed if they are ever optional on public transport this year – did he say something to that effect?

429617 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Katabasis, 3, #1493 of 1871 🔗

They’re not going to go over the summer, are they?

429641 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Katabasis, 2, #1494 of 1871 🔗

Re-introduced, why have they removed muzzle mandates?

429561 isobar, replying to isobar, 8, #1495 of 1871 🔗

The Florida versus California showdown. Another good article from AIER


429595 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to isobar, 5, #1496 of 1871 🔗

I read Jeffrey Tucker’s (director at AIER) “Liberty or Lockdown” in about two hours last night. Brilliant.

429673 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1497 of 1871 🔗

Yes, absolutely, he has been great throughout!

429567 stevie, replying to stevie, 19, #1498 of 1871 🔗


Mainstream US media is under fire for publishing an article telling Americans that life won’t go back to normal even after they’ve been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 – and critics argue the message discourages vaccination.
In an AP article from Saturday, which has since been republished by a number of news outlets including NBC New York, medical writer Lauran Neergaard bluntly told readers not to “expect to shed your mask and get back to normal activities right away” after being “fully vaccinated against the coronavirus.”
“That’s going to be a disappointment, if not a shock, to many people,” she added.

429581 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stevie, 6, #1499 of 1871 🔗

Gets more evil all the time

429613 ▶▶ merlin, replying to stevie, 10, #1500 of 1871 🔗

Things can only be normal without experimental jabs. Once you surrender to the poison, you are owned by pharma

429712 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to merlin, 1, #1501 of 1871 🔗

A 10.000£ booster shot per year to be paid privately to keep you alive, because otherwise the vaccine you have already in you will neither be able to cope with any mutation, you will be more susceptible to the mutation and run the risk of ADE and FFWO and you will be at the mist serious risk if you skip just one, similar to software upgrades.
Very plausible and likely.

429779 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JayBee, 4, #1502 of 1871 🔗

Oh it’s worse than that. Because the vaccines do not provide sterilising immunity, it basically runs the risk of more severe strains being selected for. And as they produce new vaccines to combat them, the unvaccinated become increasingly more at risk due to this unanticipated and unnatural evolution. Its a minimal risk but we could have already baked into the single worst turn in history for mankind.

429572 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 38, #1503 of 1871 🔗

Ferguson needs to be dragged into the town square and flogged. That man is a disgrace, and an arrogant fool.

429587 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to RyanM, 19, #1504 of 1871 🔗

Feargoeson is like a stuck record. He keeps talking about ‘overwhelming the NHS’ etc. Well then for God’s sake, by his own logic, why didn’t we shore up the NHS when we could have done, with the Nightingales, RAMC, NHS auxiliaries, Dyson utility ventilators etc. That’s the solution to NHS overcrowding, not imprisoning the entire population of Britain with no release date.

429630 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cranmer, 17, #1505 of 1871 🔗

Because the whole thing is a scam with a side order of psyop.

429650 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1506 of 1871 🔗

quite why he is on all the time is a mystery

429670 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replyin