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430050 bobdobbs0507, 45, #1 of 1890 🔗

Morning all. Keep fighting the good fight!

430051 Hugh_Manity, replying to Hugh_Manity, 45, #2 of 1890 🔗

Good morning. Here is a brilliant article. It brings together (with corroborated references) the different strands of what is behind this plandemic.


Faced with evidence of the power of these organisations to ‘create our own reality’, our first resort, it seems, is to denounce their existence, like children who hope that, by closing their eyes, the monster at the bottom of their bed will disappear.”.

431078 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Hugh_Manity, 2, #3 of 1890 🔗

Excellent, this was recommended to me this morning by Miriam of this parish (“Miriam and Alan”) during a doubtless still illegal (and very pleasant) recreational stroll along the Bugsworth Canal Basin. (Highly recommended, if you like investigating our industrial heritage in an open air setting.)

Saved me the trouble of finding it, thanks. His piece analysing the death numbers was excellent.

430052 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 66, #4 of 1890 🔗

We must be ‘narrative sceptics’ not just lockdown. The so-called vaccine is evil and killing people already.

430057 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Bungle, 32, #5 of 1890 🔗

Yes I was wondering if we need to start a new group called ‘vaccine sceptics’

430066 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bigade, 20, #6 of 1890 🔗

Could start a new forum.

430124 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 192, #7 of 1890 🔗

They have created a pandemic by cooking the books and changing the definition of the narrative. They have then produced an experimental solution. We are now expected not just to take their solution, and quite possibly be turned into second class citizens if we refuse it. The media are not speaking up about the vaccine related deaths in care homes instead they are pushing the success of their vaccine at every opportunity. People like Mike Yeadon who have spoken up about the concerns around the vaccine, especially regarding fertility, have been silenced. There is no allowance for scepticism for vaccines in the media narrative. This has ALL been about the vaccine and the subsequent passports. If we are sceptical about lockdowns surely we should inevitably be sceptical about other experimental solutions to this created situation? Scepticism is wisdom in this situation. Anything else is following the pseudo science and giving up. I for one will not give up. My sister was permanently and severely brain damaged following her whooping cough vaccine in the 70s. She had a minor seizure following the first and second dose, but the doctor convinced my mum that the third dose was necessary and would be harmless. Within 24 hours my crawling, babbling 11 month old sister had a grand mal seizure and was left with severe, permanent brain damage. She now lives in care with 3 carers at all times. She is now cared for by people in masks, she doesn’t even see them smile. I am not permitted to visit her, in case she hugs me. It was ten years before anyone admitted her brain damage was directly caused by the vaccine and then compensated us (not that it made up for it) . In ten years it will be too late, if this vaccine causes infertility, or other unknown side effects. Vaccine scepticism about this new experimental jab is not saying it is definitely dangerous, but that we need to know more. We need to understand why it’s necessary, we need to understand why children are being used as guinea pigs, we need to understand why they are pushing it so hard. We need to understand why the passports are even being considered. Scepticism is the only intelligent and thoughtful response to this vaccine.

430200 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liberty, 25, #8 of 1890 🔗

Horrific. Your story is heart breaking yet more common that people care to contemplate.

430547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 27, #9 of 1890 🔗

Fourteen years ago my great-niece had the MMR at 13 months old. One day she was a happy, bubbly tot staggering across the room falling into her mother’s outstretched arms, the next, that sweet little body was completely collapsed. She couldn’t even raise her head. Three or four years later the hospital had special, rigid leather, full length boots made to help her to stand up, which she eventually did, and learned to walk again.

She has spent all her schooldays in a remedial class and is a sweet, kind young girl lucky enough to be surrounded by loving family. But she will never have a normal life.

430561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to lorrinet, 12, #10 of 1890 🔗

Poor little mite. Not to mention the effect on her family – who have been/will continue to be turned into carers for her even after she reaches adult age and should be independent.

431284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, 4, #11 of 1890 🔗

If anyone had done that to my family member and I had a face to put it to. That person would be shanked in the street.

I guess people don’t get as angry as I do.

430215 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Liberty, 50, #12 of 1890 🔗

“We need to understand why it’s necessary, we need to understand why children are being used as guinea pigs, we need to understand why they are pushing it so hard. We need to understand why the passports are even being considered. Scepticism is the only intelligent and thoughtful response to this vaccine.”

Right. And this is where the resetting of the financial system and moving most people to Universal Basic Income and a Social Credit System comes in. Certainly, this is a shakedown racket by Big Pharma, but I think of that more as the engine to power what is taking place.

I am sorry to say that I do not think we can dismiss some of the more horrific possibilities that once people are genetically modifed enough they will be owned by various corporations and therefore have zero rights as humans.

People simply need to get real and understand that this is a coup by the technocrats around Big Pharma in league with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the bankers around the Federal Reserve.

The British establishment is taking its orders from corporations by way of global bodies like the Trilateral Commission.

430317 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to FedupofLies, 12, #13 of 1890 🔗

Im not sure where i read this but the rules on moving genetically modified “things” across borders used to be very strict, apparently these rules were relaxed shortly before gene therapy roll out, I am having difficulty verifying this.

430337 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to primesinister, 8, #14 of 1890 🔗

someone mentioned this in the last couple of days here and provided the links. What struck me was the change was done so recent I was surprised something to do with the EU would still affect us.

430417 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #15 of 1890 🔗

Totally agree with you here.

430553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FedupofLies, 16, #16 of 1890 🔗

Yes something very nasty is taking shape and it centres around the Covid vaccines, that aren’t vaccines. The only thing I would add to your telling exposition is that many people will not survive these “vaccines” and of course they are not meant to. Most of us are regarded as being surplus to their requirements.

430576 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Rowan, 5, #17 of 1890 🔗

If it’s indeed the case that most of us are regarded as surplus to requirements – then it would be a logical explanation for the decision made that the jab will be rolled out going down the agegroups. After all – the elderly cost more in health care on average/usually are no longer working/usually are no longer bringing up children. So overall conclusion – if treating people as economic units, rather than as human beings, would be that they cost a lot more/contribute a lot less. I guess it was decided to do it that way – rather than asking people if they are the 3rd/4th/5th etc child in a family (ie came along after the 2 replacement people in that family had been born). Hastens to add that I don’t believe those should be regarded as “surplus to be disposed of” either – even though I would argue as to why were they conceived in the first place (ie when the parents had already had the replacement two people and must know we live in overcrowded country/overcrowded world).

431222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to ElizaP, #18 of 1890 🔗

The ten year census will arrive soon, I wonder what will be gleaned from that.

431441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tillysmum, 1, #19 of 1890 🔗

I believe Branch Covidian will be a popular option in the religion question.

431908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ElizaP, #20 of 1890 🔗

Yes, even if you believe the Covid nonsense, it would make no sense to vaccinate the under sixties. Now they are planning criminal trials on children, incredibly sick and likely satanic.

430578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Rowan, 10, #21 of 1890 🔗

Yet it could be a long death over years.

Also, the sterlization angle I suspect is important.

431214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Rowan, #22 of 1890 🔗


431213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #23 of 1890 🔗

I agree that this is the plan from all I have read and listened to.

430260 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Liberty, 10, #24 of 1890 🔗

Very powerful post. Thanks for sharing.

430326 ▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Liberty, 16, #25 of 1890 🔗

I really don’t know what to say, other than what a powerful post that was.

It must be very hard when people call you, an anti-vaccer in a mocking or nasty way, as I’m sure some do, having had the experience first hand of a sibling having their life ruined by one, as you have.

I was a young lad through to a teenager in the 70s and I do have a recollection of a lad in another class at school who’s little brother “became ill” after the whooping cough jab.

I’m afraid I don’t know the details, as these things tended not to be spoken about to kids at that time and also the family apparently moved from the area shortly afterwards. But just recently, with all the present problems, hearing stories like yours, it makes me very angry that you are dismissed by many “in authority”.

430448 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to dhid, 26, #26 of 1890 🔗

I’m not a complete antivaxxer, my children have received most of their vaccines, although we have proceeded slowly and with caution. My youngest child had her Men B as a baby and had an Adsense seizure following it. She didn’t receive the follow up vax. We have now being called up for her one year imms. I feel really conflicted, but largely persuaded that for her, with her previous history, we will defer her vaccines. This new vaccine is so different though. It is an experiment and one in which I do not choose to partake. My only concern is coercion or mandatory vaccines. We live on a small holding and we are busy preparing the property for those who need to escape and join us in our life outside the system.

430533 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Liberty, 13, #27 of 1890 🔗

Any person that suffers an adverse reaction after a vaccination has an increased chance of suffering worse adverse reactions or even death with future vaccinations
Always do your research. The NVIC website is highly recommended

Biography, Barbara Loe Fisher Co-Founder & President National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC)
Barbara Loe Fisher is co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), a non-profit charity she founded with parents of vaccine injured children in 1982 to prevent vaccine injuries and deaths through public education.

For the past four decades, she has led a national, grassroots movement and public information campaign to institute vaccine safety and informed consent protections in public health policies and laws.

She has researched, analyzed and publicly articulated the science, policy, law, ethics and politics of vaccination to become one of the world’s leading non-medical, consumer advocacy experts on vaccination and human rights.

She has three grown children and a grandson. Her oldest son suffered a convulsion, collapse and brain inflammation within hours of his fourth DPT shot in 1980 when he was two and a half years old. He was left with multiple learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder and was confined to a special education classroom throughout his public school education.




431351 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Victoria, #28 of 1890 🔗

Thanks again Victoria – you seem really on the ball. What’s interesting is that you, who have given us some really useful information, have got 9 upticks while Liberty, with a harrowing story, has got many many more.

431476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bungle, 4, #29 of 1890 🔗

These upticks are another reminder that emotion is what makes humans tick. Facts are important, but people are driven by emotion. It is what has made the Covid narrative so persuasive. The media have played on the emotions of the nation. They have manipulated us with guilt and sob stories. My story is real though, and that is what we on here are all seeking. We are seeking truth, but truth accompanied with real emotions will always tell a more compelling tale. Thank you Victoria for your very helpful information. Thank you Bungle for inspiring me to share my story. It’s cathartic to write the painful memories and to give a voice to my sister, whose voice was stolen by a vaccine.

431884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bungle, #30 of 1890 🔗

Same as for the covid bollox – emotion trumps facts. 🙂

431934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Victoria, #31 of 1890 🔗

What’s with all the overvaxxing anyway? FOUR DTP shots before the age of 3??? I did not get that many and I was 16 in 1980. I hear it’s getting worse too.

430643 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Liberty, 12, #32 of 1890 🔗

I’m not on a small holding but I am seeking out people to work with outside of their system. https://freedomcells.org/ & https://thegreatbeartrail.com/ (not working at the moment though). Prepping as much as I can and growing fruit and veg as best I can along with some chickens! I hope you meet others you can work and grow with.

430912 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to GuyRich, 3, #33 of 1890 🔗

Great initiatives, GuyRich – you should contact The Light truthpaper and offer to write an article on what you have planned for this. You can reach them here – news@thelightpaper.co.uk , and this is the link to the website – https://thelightpaper.co.uk/ . Word of this needs to be spread.

431586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Quernus, #34 of 1890 🔗

I’ll have a look at this. Thanks.

431112 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to GuyRich, 1, #35 of 1890 🔗

The Great Bear Trail – that rings a Canadian bell!

431589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Banjones, #36 of 1890 🔗

Owen Benjamin (comedian) runs it. It’s basically the same as the freedom cells idea.

431306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to GuyRich, 1, #37 of 1890 🔗

Is Freedom Cells on board with the coming Totalitarian Health State or a bunch of half a fag Chomsky loving fuckboys lining up for the jab while touting ‘sustainable living’?

431307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, #38 of 1890 🔗

Only United States it seems.

431599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to FedupofLies, #39 of 1890 🔗

As far as I can tell it’s setup by Derrek Broze of the Conscious Resistance. Agorist/voluntaryism in nature but definitely opposed to the oncoming technocratic state. Promoting permaculture and small community living. It’s worth a shot in my view. Don’t know if there are any views on Chomsky.

430652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Liberty, 9, #40 of 1890 🔗

No, I’m not a complete antivaxxer either, but I also am concerned that we must be free to choose and not be “forced” into taking something lest our freedoms be stolen from us if we don’t.

I agree that the new vaccines are experimental and it concerns me that the pharmas have been given legal immunity by the government in the UK. That just makes me more suspicious.

I am (just) in my 60s and had a medical problem in my mid 40s which was dealt with, but that, according to doctors, makes me fall into an “at risk” category.

I was always disgustingly healthy before my 40s.
I had not been to the doctors at all since I was 18 and caught “German” measles and went to find out what it was! – I believe there was no MMR vax. when I was a kid so I caught chicken pox, measles, mumps and even scarlet fever, which may be why my immune system now still seems to work quite well.

I have now been in pretty good physical health ever since the problem which was fixed my mid 40s, so I don’t consider myself “at risk”.

Every year I get bombarded with flu vaccine “invitations” – despite telling them I don’t want one (I have never had flu) and my judgement is that I am not at any significant risk from CV19 and may be more at risk from the vaccine!

Good luck with your small holding retreat plans, I suspect there will be plenty who would like to get away from much of the present madness!

431291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to dhid, 6, #41 of 1890 🔗

Well, I’m a COMPLETE anti-vaxxer now.

Do you think I will trust ANYTHING to do with the medical profession, period?

If by some horror I have to ask for advice from a medical doctor, I will check to see if they signed the Great Barrington Declaration. If not, their advice will be immediately discounted.

430724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Liberty, 10, #42 of 1890 🔗

Thank you Liberty for posting your tragic story. My two children had individual jabs (paid for privately) rather than the MMR but you cannot now get individual mumps vaccine even privately (if I were a suspicious person I would ruminate on the reasons why – it was still around in daughter’s day). The GP was trying to persuade me to let my son have the MMR and was not happy when I replied that I was old enough to remember cases like your sister’s and all the assurances that a vaccine was safe and then compensation being paid out.
It does not make you anti-vaxx, it just means you want to wait and see how THIS one pans out.
I wish you and your sister well and hope you are able to see and hug her soon.

431343 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Scotswifie, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #43 of 1890 🔗

I had the same problem with single vaccines with mine. I seem to remember that Tony Blair had a holiday in France about the time his son’s mmr was due,, and declined to comment when asked about it citing privacy/ confidentiality.

430753 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Liberty, 7, #44 of 1890 🔗

THIS is exactly what people should be doing. Buying smallholdings and houses in the country with large gardens to grow vegetables. As well as getting to know people in the area who can swap things with you. Have to think about water being taken away from tap and electricity not being available.

430906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #45 of 1890 🔗

We have a borehole and plan on getting solar panels and then some sort of generator and battery. My husband is the brains behind that. I am the creative part of the team! We moved here 18 months ago, just in time!

431102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liberty, 3, #46 of 1890 🔗

We have a solar panel on our RV in Canada (sigh) and it’s enough to keep the water pump and lights running and the computer/phone charged – so we can go out into the bondu in comfort!

431108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #47 of 1890 🔗

That reminds me of the saying ” He will always be a slave who cannot live upon a little”.

431804 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to FedupofLies, #48 of 1890 🔗

People won’t be allowed to grow their own vegetables for much longer. That’s also on the ‘verboten’ list.

431013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liberty, 2, #49 of 1890 🔗

Share your website – please! Would love to escape as soon as possible – but I daresay there’ll be fierce competition!

430328 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Liberty, 12, #50 of 1890 🔗

I remember the whooping cough vaccine scandal. It was not an isolated incident. Not surprising, you will find little mention of this in the current climate.

430348 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to crimsonpirate, 12, #51 of 1890 🔗

A friend’s sister died following the whooping cough vaccine. My Dad was offered £5000 by Tony Blair in the 90s, in relation to my sister’s vaccine damage, during the MMR vaccine crisis. He never told me why. Hush money?

430412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Liberty, 20, #52 of 1890 🔗

Bliar again. 😒 He’s always there at the bottom of every pile 💩

430589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #53 of 1890 🔗

He certainly never seems to be far away from a shit-heap that’s for sure. I didn’t know he was guilty of that as well. I knew he’s guilty for the Iraq War and for the Welsh Referendum and for just those two charges I do wish I could time travel back and ensure his parents never met in the first place (ie so he couldnt be conceived).

430809 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #54 of 1890 🔗

Unfortunately he’s rising to the top of the slurry again at the moment!

430546 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Liberty, 3, #55 of 1890 🔗

Pertussis (Whooping Cough) Disease & Vaccine Information Get the Information You Need to Make an Informed Vaccine Decision

Dr. Humphries | Pertussis or “Whooping Cough” Vaccine Dr. Suzanne Humphries testifies at the West Virginia Education Committee the morning of Saturday, March 18, 2017. She discusses history and problems with the pertussis or “whooping cough” vaccines (DPT, DTaP, & TDaP).


Sodium ascorbate treatment of whooping cough.
[formerly titled the vitamin C treatment of whooping cough]


431326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Liberty, 2, #56 of 1890 🔗

My friends daughter had a baby boy and was offered the MMR
vaccine. She refused on the advice of her mother because Tony Blair would not say whether or not little Leo had had it. I’m pleased to say that the baby eventually had chickenpox, measles,mumps and recovered like we all did after the war and is now a strapping young man with his first published book behind him. This vaccine is sounding like genocide.

430483 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liberty, 9, #57 of 1890 🔗

Liberty – how sad that is. After what you said a couple of days ago about many in your family NOT being sceptical, that must make it even harder for you.

430497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Banjones, 22, #58 of 1890 🔗

Indeed, I don’t know how they can just buy into this. My mum also died when I was 14, in part because she was underdosed on radiotherapy, due to a mistake by the radiographer. We were yet again compensated, in the scheme of things the money was irrelevant, I just wanted my mum, I say all this because I want to explain that even though my family has been personally involved in two awful, life changing incidents which have been caused by medical professional malpractice, the current fear narrative overshadows that for them. We have lost so much to medical negligence, and now I have lost family to fear.

430595 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Liberty, 6, #59 of 1890 🔗

Indeed – I can sympathise that you are being put through all the current vax nonsense after what has happened to your family personally – and yet still they don’t believe us. Hug en route through the ether to you.

430790 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Liberty, 4, #60 of 1890 🔗

What a burden your family has to carry from other people’s incompetence.

431028 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liberty, 1, #61 of 1890 🔗

I hope that there’s a road back for all of us in this situation. I am desperate to steer a careful way through all the obstacles – I know I can’t convince them to see things my way, or even a different way – but I think perhaps we can learn to live with the elephant in the room.

431544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Liberty, 3, #62 of 1890 🔗

So, so shocking Liberty, my heart goes out to you with the hope that you find a way through this. To lose your mother at 14 and then suffer so much afterwards.What a terrible world we live in. Sending love and all good wishes to you,good always overcomes evil.

431617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Tillysmum, 2, #63 of 1890 🔗

Tillysmum, love does indeed triumph over evil. After Mum died I came to faith in Jesus Christ, who gave everything to pay the ultimate price for the evil in this world. He has carried me every day since. His love has helped me to forgive and has taught me to love and trust again. I have a blessed life, not despite my past, but because of it. Every pain I have gone through could have broken me, and sometimes almost seemed to, but God used it to grow in me a love and compassion for others who suffer, so that I may be there for them in their hour of need. I am strong, not because of me, but because God has grown me through each trial.

430519 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Banjones, 11, #64 of 1890 🔗

Banjones, thank you for your comment, it made me feel like a person, not just a commenter. It reminded me that people do notice and they do care. It reminded me that we can still create communities which look out for one another.

431041 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Liberty, 3, #65 of 1890 🔗

Yes, Liberty – I agree. This site has been a nerve-saver! Comments such as yours make us see things in perspective – you’ve had such a tough time. Glad to know you’re out in the good fresh country air (as we are, I thank God), and making plans to bring like-minded others to you. We shall look out for your website!

431184 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Banjones, 1, #66 of 1890 🔗

I’m really sorry Banjones, but for the sake of privacy, we’ll be keeping it underground advertising-wise, as we want to live in peace without government interference. We have lots of friends keen to escape and a Christian community ready to worship and work together. We do not plan on being exclusive, all will be welcome, but I am expecting word of mouth to carry the message of our place of freedom, rather than the much watched internet. We had our first Spring bookings yesterday. They will exchange their self contained accommodation for farm work. I really believe that these sort of places will spring up all over the country. I pray you find one near you.

431551 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Liberty, 2, #67 of 1890 🔗

How wonderful. What an inspiraton too. God be with you and health and happiness too.

430594 ▶▶▶▶▶ jcd, replying to Liberty, 10, #68 of 1890 🔗

I sympathise with you and your sister. I have epilepsy which was triggered years ago by the polio vaccine but it is very mild compared to your unfortunate sister; it is the reason why I have refused all other vaccines especially the C19 one.

430600 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Liberty, 10, #69 of 1890 🔗

Instances of vaccine damage are common, but are swept under the carpet and hardly ever make the mainstream news. In my family a first cousin was brain damaged as a toddler following smallpox vaccination and was permanently institutionalised until he died at age twenty. A very young second cousin died three weeks after smallpox vaccination, this in the late 1940’s. Another 1 year old first cousin (once removed) died in the early nineties, just a week after the MMR injection and the death was classed as an idiopathic SIDS, was it hell!

430666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Rowan, 6, #70 of 1890 🔗

There ahas been a dramatic reduction in SIDS since the pandemic began. ‘Children’s Health Defence’ put it down to the startling reduction in the take up of the newborn vaccine programme. Incidentally I have a friend whose baby died the night of their 8 week imms. Could be a coincidence?

431077 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Liberty, 4, #71 of 1890 🔗

Before we pullup our sleeves for the vaccine we should all know how vaccination came into being. As is well known Dr Edward Jenner discovered vaccination by observing milk maids had perfect skin. This was due to them catching cowpox which made them immune to smallpox. He then got a child and the pus of cowpox which he then inoculated the child with. Later on he came across a patient suffering from smallpox collected the pus which he infected the inoculated child with. The child didn’t develop smallpox and vaccination was born.This is the story we all hear but there’s down side to the story. Later on Dr Edward Jenner decided to vaccinate his son but unfortunately he had a fit and suffered brain damage dying at the age of 21. Today’s vaccine is light years more safer than Jenners pus/vaccine but we should never forget there’s always some sort of danger when you have a vaccine.

431275 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Liberty, 3, #72 of 1890 🔗

So terribly heartbreaking to hear this. My daughter is 56 now and I would not allow her to have all the vaccines recommended at the time.I was sceptical even as a 22 year old. And then there was thalidomide and countless other chemicals peddled by the doctors who had to get their quotas and who years ago were directed by the representatives of the pharmaceutical companies. Everything you take into your body has a reaction and imbalances the immune system, even an antibiotic will take 6 months before it leaves. For God’s sake let us get back to common sense and ditch all this Big Pharma. It’s quite simple, good quality unprocessed food, exercise and sleep. And no interference from
chemicals, from what I understand, the vaccine injury to children in America is shocking.

431340 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Liberty, 1, #73 of 1890 🔗

Feel for you friend.

430307 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Annie, 6, #74 of 1890 🔗

“Narrative Sceptics” gets my vote.

All of Satan’s lies have been so successfully delivered via the tool of narrative consensus, between media, politicians, and preening corrupted experts.

The appearance of a popular narrative has fast become my go-to red flag over the last 20 years, so in my eyes, sculpted narrative is the thing to fight.

430503 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bigade, 15, #75 of 1890 🔗

Yes I was wondering if we need to start a new group called ‘vaccine sceptics’

That may be necessary, the LS team seems a very long way from being remotely sceptical about the dangerous, hardly tested, liability free and highly experimental vaccines, that many, for no good reason, believe are going to spring us out of the government own manufactured Covid mess.

430158 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Bungle, 40, #76 of 1890 🔗

As far as the “vaccine” goes, I am fearful of the consequences and terrified for children should they start targeting them for this therapy. The more you research, the more you realise what a terrible experiment it is. The medium and long term consequences are completely unknown and anyone who claims otherwise is a complete liar. Reading the above article relating to opening up international travel, the governments and the WHO are fully intending to discriminate against anyone who cares do do their own research and not rely on the government propaganda machine to run their lives. The line sums it up perfectly “ Introducing such a system also needs to be fair and not unduly disadvantage people who have yet to be offered – or gain access to – a vaccine.” In other words the system will be inherently unfair and disadvantageous to those refusing a vaccine. Let’s just pretend for a minute that this is all about stopping the spread of “mutant variants” of a virus that is fortunately relatively mild for most sufferers, then why would “vaccine” proof trump immunity? Unfortunately, this appears to have nothing to do with protecting people.

430186 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Van Allen, 28, #77 of 1890 🔗

Your quote talks about people who cannot gain access to or have not yet been offered the vaccine. This suggests that once we all have been offered the vaccine then discriminating against those of us who refuse their offer would a different matter. In other words our choice will be between taking the experimental jab and fully partaking in society, or refusing it and becoming a second class citizen denied many of the basic freedoms we once took for granted.

430194 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Liberty, 38, #78 of 1890 🔗

Then we need to begin the development of a parallel society/community. Find businesses that will support the sane un-gene edited people out there.

430248 ▶▶▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Mike, 30, #79 of 1890 🔗

Interesting..I’m a 2nd year Filmmaking student and I’m currently working on a screenplay about this scenario. The other students think its fiction, I keep saying it will be a documentary by the time I come to film it this time next year (if they allow me into the third year without a vaccine…)

430335 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Mike, 10, #80 of 1890 🔗

This is the scenario I think is most likely to play out. It’s really about getting out and about and finding like minded people as best you can at this stage.

430846 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to LS99, 1, #81 of 1890 🔗

Agreed. Unfortunately this is proving quite difficult, even within my own family where there is a modicum of scepticism people just can’t go further than ‘its all just a big mistake’.

431020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Mike, #82 of 1890 🔗

my thoughts exactly

430201 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Liberty, 17, #83 of 1890 🔗

Most of those freedoms are NOT coming back. As for second class citizen, I think long term injuries from this unknown quantity and without redress from either Big Pharma or government would render one thus. Not to mention the totalitarian grid that they are ushering through with passports and so on. Days of flying cheaply are over with.

430502 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Bungle, 8, #84 of 1890 🔗

Vernon Coleman gives a fairly good assessment of the short term effects here . But the long term effects are even more worrying here .

430053 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 37, #85 of 1890 🔗

We must now stop repeating ourselves and take action. I have proposed 6th March as Resistance Day. Please join.

430055 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Bungle, 6, #86 of 1890 🔗

If I could join you I would but being 8000 miles away I can only be there is spirit. Good luck with it

430467 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #87 of 1890 🔗

My son’s in Fiji. Can you join him?

430056 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bungle, 24, #88 of 1890 🔗

Every day is Resistance Day for me: in fact, did quite a bit of it yesterday 😉 But I take your point that it needs numbers.

430202 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to kh1485, 7, #89 of 1890 🔗

I hope you don’t mind but I stalked your cafe on trip advisor yesterday, am I right in thinking that you have an uplifting slogan “bat signal” on the wall in one of the photos to alert your fellow travellers? If so, your cafe looks wonderful and if ever we are unleashed I will be paying a visit.

430243 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fiona Walker, 9, #90 of 1890 🔗

Thanks very much. I don’t mind, but I rarely venture onto TwatAdvisor because people who spew vitriol on there never have the guts to say what they type to my face.

If it’s the uplifting slogan I think you are referring to, I’ve had to amend it. I changed the words ‘in peril’ to ‘surrendered’.

430468 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to kh1485, #91 of 1890 🔗


430081 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bungle, 19, #92 of 1890 🔗

There is already a push for 8th March as REOPENING day. And 13th March “I do not comply” protest. And 8th March also “Global Group Hug”

430116 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #93 of 1890 🔗

We should focus on those dates and keep up with the resistance as we go about our everyday lives.

430471 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #94 of 1890 🔗

Let’s do them all. Mine stems from this site, that is why it is special to us, I hope.

430085 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bungle, 17, #95 of 1890 🔗

A number of days of action have been suggested, If we designate too many then we risk being spread too thinly and numbers suffer. Short days and inclement weather will also keep numbers low. The first attempt at the Great Reopening was probably impacted this way. It has now scheduled for 20th March (Spring Equinox) and gives time for preparations to be made.

However, I am in favour of re-asserting our rights and freedoms starting last year. In common with most sceptics, every day is Resistance Day for me.

430191 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 3, #96 of 1890 🔗

Gathering in one mass protest in a well known location just hands victory to the police.

430325 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #97 of 1890 🔗

Not if people fight back in defense when that happens well who knows.

430488 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #98 of 1890 🔗

You’ve obviously missed my point. This is absolutely not one mass protest. If people reading this go to their local supermarket at 9 am without a mask and tell anyone hampering them that twice is a criminal offence, the only police presence in any of these thousands of shops, should be to arrest the employee who commits a crime by breaking the 1997 Act. I know the police would shuffle out of this but just video the staff and send it to Head Office threatening the store.

430058 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 104, #99 of 1890 🔗

Ferguson says we’re learning more all the time and that this virus is as bad as he thought it was.

Er… what?

Nothing of any substance has changed since last year. We knew last year that the IFR was lower than they predicted. We knew it only really affected older people with co-morbitities.

The only thing that’s changed is that people now believe we can control a virus.

No, the only thing that we have (re)learned is that you can control people very easily if someone in authority commands you.

430094 ▶▶ Henry2, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #100 of 1890 🔗

Exactly, maybe by the end of the “decade of health” They’ll get to the 510k mortality number – with SARS-cov2, Ferguson, will turn round ‘gotcha!, My model got us there in the end’.
Pickle tickler

430250 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Henry2, 12, #101 of 1890 🔗

They have got to higher numbers by adding two flu seasons together, something which is never done – the figures we should be looking at are October 2020 to now as the current flu season vs Oct 2019 to March 2020 as the last flu season. What happened in April 2020 was nothing to do with deaths from flu or covid19 and everything to do with the massive spike in environmental pollution which happened in tandem with the peak in deaths due to us being in lockdown but with windows open coinciding with very poor air (very similar to what happened during the worst period of pollution in the 1950s).

430310 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jos, 7, #102 of 1890 🔗

Inspector Jericho, police drama set in 1950s London. Episode ‘The Hollow Men’ in a great London smog where the man in the white lab coat Govt Advisory Fim in the cinema says

‘Breath Through your nose, far more effective than a mask’.

430669 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 4, #103 of 1890 🔗

In that episode about the Great Smog in The Crown, there was a doctor in that scene where Churchill visits the hospital who said pretty much the same thing.

430189 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #104 of 1890 🔗

What evidence is there the virus exists?
What proof is there PCR diagnoses the virus?
What objectively determines the cause of death?

430410 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #105 of 1890 🔗

As far as I’m aware, coronavirus’s have always existed but their threat have never been deemed great enough to be concerned about. Also pretty sure previous attempts to create a vaccine for coronavirus failed every time because it’s not something that can normally be vaccinated against. I’m not an armchair expert by any stretch so could be completely wrong with the above comments, but very sure I’ve read about this somewhere with authority.

431065 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #106 of 1890 🔗

There is no hard evidence that the Sars-cov-2 coronavirus exists, as it has never been isolated. There is no proof that PCR can confirm the existence of any virus, including Sars-cov-2, nor can any of the other tests that they now pretend are able to do this job. Cause of death is now based on supposition or on outright lies, as objectivity could get a doctor sacked.

430285 ▶▶ Sim18, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #107 of 1890 🔗

Not sure “We knew last year that the IFR was lower than they predicted.” is right. I think the Imperial model used an IFR of 0.9%. Most estimates of IFR in high income countries (UK, for example) are now around the 1.0% mark. The global average is usually estimated around 0.23%

430413 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Sim18, 1, #108 of 1890 🔗

The 1% is an over estimate that takes no account of the asymptomatic, or the very mild symptomatic that don’t know they have had it. Its just a number used to justify political actions. The 0.23% figure has at least some basis as it uses a very large population statistic, although I suspect its about 100% overstated.

430349 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #109 of 1890 🔗

Political whores are two a penny when you are as wealthy as Gates.

430397 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #110 of 1890 🔗

He seems to have an awful lot of time on his hands, writing petty responses to emails while he’s supposedly very busy heroically fighting a war to save the NHS from having to deal with sick people.

430444 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ed Phillips, 6, #111 of 1890 🔗

Somebody published the PANDA data last week.There is nowhere on the planet where the IFR is above 0.15.

430059 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 7, #112 of 1890 🔗

I’ve forgotten. What’s a pub?

430067 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to PatrickF, 11, #113 of 1890 🔗

There’s one near me that is like this:

Empty, boarded up building with strange name over the door.

430076 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 16, #114 of 1890 🔗

It’s a place where, as described by a government spokesperson at least three times on the Today Programme,

“people drink so much they are falling all over each other totally ignoring Social Distancing.”

430356 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 15, #115 of 1890 🔗

Our pubs were deliberately targeted because that is where the working classes congregate

430441 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #116 of 1890 🔗

The main reason Cannabis isn’t legal in the UK is because it’s just a thing we British do not do culturally. This comes from the top and pretty much drives cannabis prohibition.

430675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Two-Six, 2, #117 of 1890 🔗

Who decides it’s just not a thing the British do culturally? The people on top or those further down? I suspect plenty of Brits use it, legal or not, and I would be surprised if someone like Johnson has never used it.

431447 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Waldorf, #118 of 1890 🔗

And he’s got plenty of people to ”shield” him. Those whose so-called careers depend on him being flexible enough to dance at the end of their strings.

431445 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to karenovirus, 2, #119 of 1890 🔗

What a deliberately ignorant bunch of arrogant tossers saying this.

430773 ▶▶ Edward, replying to PatrickF, 2, #120 of 1890 🔗

It’s an old building which is either going to be demolished or converted to flats.

430950 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PatrickF, 2, #121 of 1890 🔗

A very sad-looking building.

430060 TC, replying to TC, 44, #122 of 1890 🔗

If the government concedes that this virus is of mild effect on the vast majority of people, as it does, and if the vaccination programme is such an astounding success, as it is logistically (leaving aside questions of safety et al) then why no feature, so far as I can see, in any of it’s pronouncements of how many in the general population have had it and surely should be presumed to have natural immunity.
If I am mistaaken then please correct me.
I would have thought this virus, running for over a year now, even allowing for it not to be as transmissable as many fear, should have infected millions. I seem to recall a major university (Imperial or UC?) positing that it could be 12 million and that was a few months ago.
If that figure were to be added to the number vaccinated ( a type of gold standard,I suppose,for the government) and the vaccinated focused on the most at risk groups then are we not at or close to herd immunity and,if so, why are the government still dithering?
Should they not be thinking, “Job done”?
Am I wrong in thinking maybe natural immunity must be held by numbers in this country running into well over 10 million?
Well, off to work now.
Stay sane,everyone.

430205 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TC, 15, #123 of 1890 🔗

Switch your thinking to the goal being full vaccination, regardless of immunity. Then what? Why would they be doing that?

And remember, they want to vaccinate the entire globe, with money they printed from nothing, on you as the collateral. Why?

430318 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #124 of 1890 🔗

Well we know why don’t we….? World population is too large apparently. Has to be reduced apparently. We westerners are consuming too many resources apparently. We need our wealth and consumption reduced apparently.

430362 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bigade, 8, #125 of 1890 🔗

It’s OUR wealth they want to reduce not theirs!

430508 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #126 of 1890 🔗

I’m ware of that. That’s why I say ”we need our wealth reducing apparently”. ‘They’ have no intention of reducing theirs. They want to increase their wealth. At our expense.

430365 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #127 of 1890 🔗

Because they can. There was some idea at the start of an actual health threat but once they opened the pandempanic box and let out the remaining unspent capital, well then we had to go with a ‘Plan B’

431456 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #128 of 1890 🔗

Another day, another dollar?

430062 Annie, replying to Annie, 52, #129 of 1890 🔗

Another elephant I spotted in the Snake Oil Room.
The snake oil doesn’t prevent transmission or infection.
But it is supposed to reduce Covvideaths.
If most of the alleged Covvicorpses didn’t sadlidie of Covid, how can the snake oil reduce the corpse count?

430074 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 31, #130 of 1890 🔗

The random quoting of ‘scary’ death figures with no attempt at comparison or context has been a feature of this hoo-haa. There is currently hand wringing over half a million deaths in the USA but little attempt to put this into context with the size of the population, how this equates to the age adjusted ‘normal’ death rate and over what time period? Similarly the very inappropriately named ‘SAGE’ group predict 91,000 deaths if we ease UK lock-down too early, again no idea if this is in addition to or part of normal deaths, no time period, no comparison with population size.
As it is, with better weather heading our way, respiratory virus deaths will probably decline and all of this will be attributed to their magic potions.

430099 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 41, #131 of 1890 🔗

There isn’t a lockdown right now. 2/3rds of my daughter’s class are back at school. A friend has 50% attendance at her inner London school. You can’t cross the road from my house to the post office because of the traffic. Toyota chucking out time is as bonkers as always, everyone is back at Royces in Derby. The parks and beaches are rammed. The idea lockdown is suppressing anything other than business is ludicrous. Look at the fuel price, FFS.

430344 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #132 of 1890 🔗

I believe the number of people whos death certificate states died of covid as opposed to with, is give or take a few around 4000

431181 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Annie, #133 of 1890 🔗

Why is it a lie that 5000 people per week, 700 per day, more people are dying than have done in the past five years? A bad influenza year generates about 20k excess deaths. That’s four weeks. We’ve seen multiples of that this winter. Note I did not say what they died of, but the respiratory count this winter is far in excess of past winters.

430064 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 73, #134 of 1890 🔗

Nice of Boris to allow us back into pubs in 3 months. Nice to allow the kids back to school, albeit wearing ridiculous facemasks.

After all, he must have plenty of evidence that these lockdowns have been a great success, aided employment, kept people healthy and improved mental health,

I’ve got to admit I’m having trouble finding it.

After all, we had excess deaths of 54,600 (per Institute and Faculty of Actuaries) last year from 14th March to 1st Jan (44,000 if you include the whole year). That includes all those who died because of the lockdown as well. By way of comparison, there were 51,000 excess deaths in the winter (December to March) of 2017/18 (source: ONS)

That international pariah Sweden has lost 408 people under 60 to the virus in the whole period up to February 17th 2021. If you look at graphs of deaths, it’s virtually indistinguishable from the UK.

Florida and California showed very similar death patterns, despite ridiculous lockdowns in California and none in Florida.

Come on Boris, open the country now. Stop this nonsense. Read the numbers and see the garbage being fed to you for what it is!

430195 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Laurence, 17, #135 of 1890 🔗

He can’t. Not enough people have taken up the jab yet…People aren’t desperate enough yet, either because of fear or eagerness to be allowed out to play.

430454 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Mike, 1, #136 of 1890 🔗

Ye they need to get the jab into arms and there may be more vaccine “hesitancy” among younger people. It is an exceptionally high take up amongst over 70s if true.

430220 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Laurence, 29, #137 of 1890 🔗

There is NOTHING ‘ridiculous’ about facemasks. They are DANGEROUS.

Why do you people stop on saying this? Have you even read about the coup by Big Pharma and the plan to reset the financial system by way of a social credit system?

Do you REALLY think that ‘Boris’ doesn’t realise what is going on.



430450 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FedupofLies, 4, #138 of 1890 🔗

I totally agree with this. 🙂

430463 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to FedupofLies, 10, #139 of 1890 🔗

I think that facemasks make the risk of infection greater. If I was a “conspiracy theorist™️” I would think they were mandated to make sure the cases and illness were increased to prolong lockdown.

430487 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stevie, 21, #140 of 1890 🔗

That’s what I think, the face naps are mandatory for a lot of reasons and probably most importantly they are known to DRIVE respiratory infections making them worse, making us suffer from a wider range of respiratory ailments and boosting community transmission.

The occultic evil of them is evident and so is the psychological effect and how utterly corrosive they are to human interaction.

The imposition of face masks is deliberate evil. Nothing more.

430935 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, 7, #141 of 1890 🔗

“The imposition of face masks is deliberate evil.

Considering all the other pernicious actions of western “governments'” e.g. denial of HCQ, sick patients sent to care homes without medical support, DNRs, false counting of Covid deaths, denial of on-line free speech, de-platforming of highly qualified scientists, reprehensible attacks on the GBD signatories and so on, I can find nothing that they have done that has been any benefit to the people.

Repeal the Coronavirus Act. Recall all MPs.

430965 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #142 of 1890 🔗

Repeal the Coronavirus Act. Recall all MPs

Otherwise, defund the useless spongers!

430575 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to stevie, 10, #143 of 1890 🔗

It IS. Same with the social distancing harming kids immunities and our own. It’s biological terrorism.

431193 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #144 of 1890 🔗

This is the absolute truth about the matter. Bill Gates is controlling Big Pharma and us. I am so tired of those people who do no critical or contructive thinking, it is staring us in the face. Why are the nurses and doctors going along with it? Nothing we are told by MSM makes sense,We are like hamsters in cages, continually circling round with no real answers. Yes, WAKE UP NOW before they decide that vaccines will be delivered yearly whether we like it or not. Or is it too late now?

430065 Annie, replying to Annie, 22, #145 of 1890 🔗

From the ATL postcard from the Philippines.

At this point, this country is one of the few in the world where children are not in some type of in-person school. How the Government here can know this and not be consumed by embarrassment and shame is beyond me.

Hey, Gulag UK, you’re in really good company.

430456 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 6, #146 of 1890 🔗

I think North Korea is probably a better place to live than the UK right now. They can probably go to the pub once a week and sing patriotic songs at least.

430682 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Two-Six, 1, #147 of 1890 🔗

Yes. A glass of Korean sake , while belting out “Marshal Kim Il-sung Is Our Supreme Commander”.

430068 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 81, #148 of 1890 🔗

Social Distancing: In lockdown 1 cars stayed parked in the place for months on end as people really did stay home.
But prior to bozos roadmap plenty of people are visiting friends and family in their homes or outdoors.
Vaccination queues outside surgeries hugger mugger because it’s more important to stay out of the rain.

Covid Safe Traffic Layouts: some being challenged in Court, a local one was abandoned because it inconvenienced members of the Labour Social Club.

Pedestrian One Way schemes: nobody ever took the slightest notice of those.

Work From Home if you can: more and more people designating themselves as Key Workers and finding reasons why they need to be in the office.

Schools closed except for vulnerable children and those of key workers: some schools have 50% attendance as parents fight to have themselves identified as Key Workers.

Hand Sanitizer: widely ignored by one and all, even in hospitals.

Yet masks seem to command almost universal compliance (present company excepted). Why do people ignore or evade other measures yet obey the face nappy rule when it us so easy to be exempt ?

430070 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to karenovirus, 17, #149 of 1890 🔗


430078 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 41, #150 of 1890 🔗

I asked a similar question yesterday.

Because it’s a visible totem of the new religion?

430080 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, #151 of 1890 🔗

Sorry Ed, missed that but it bares (?) repeating.

430082 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 1, #152 of 1890 🔗

Don’t worry, I missed it too, in that I posted it in reply to a comment in the middle of the day and forgot to look back for any answers.

430079 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 62, #153 of 1890 🔗

Because psychologically, for the human herd, it isn’t easy. It marks you out as Different and Therefore Wrong.
It doesn’t worry me because I’m used to being Different and Therefore Wrong. It was ground into me in school until I stopped caring. I bet a lot of us sceptics had similar early experiences.
But for most people, even without the very real fear of a fine, it’s agony to be Different andTherefore Wrong. They’d rather suffocate.

430109 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Annie, 13, #154 of 1890 🔗

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head

430119 ▶▶▶ First Minister of Bubbledom, replying to Annie, 51, #155 of 1890 🔗

That is an interesting hypothesis “I’m used to being Different and Therefore Wrong. It was ground into me in school until I stopped caring. I bet a lot of us sceptics had similar early experiences.”
Me too. Not long ago my mother said my stand on masks, lockdown, et al was me being difficult as I ‘was always like that’ and if they’d said ‘you can’t were a mask’ I’d be wearing one out of obstinance. Sad how little they know me after 55 years. The rest of my family think I wear a tinfoil hat. And I sit in frustrated bemusement as to how not one of them have ever done any research or fact-checked.

430382 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 15, #156 of 1890 🔗

Far too many people would prefer to suffer in silence and avoid all confrontation I am not one of them. I have been called a troublemaker for speaking out but I would prefer to be called one than perceived as being a walkover. I hate injustice more than anything else.

430972 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to First Minister of Bubbledom, 9, #157 of 1890 🔗

Your mother sounds just like mine! I saw her in person for the first time since October and she thinks I’m “not handling the whole situation very well.” FFS, anyone who is handling it “well” is not human! I just turned 56 so we’re of the same sceptical vintage and yes, I was always a kid who didn’t like to be told what to do and always broke rules that made no sense to me. I read this somewhere but it bears repeating: The ones telling us to wear tin foil hats for looking into conspiracies are now the ones wearing masks. So ironic.”

430129 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 42, #158 of 1890 🔗

Good point. The Japanese have a saying: “the nail that sticks out gets hammered” and people are afraid of standing out. In the case of the muzzles they would rather develop breathing problems or skin issues rather than stand out.

My school reports constantly labelled me as a “malcontent” and a former line manager used it too to describe me. I stopped caring then and I don’t care now.

430157 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Annie, 20, #159 of 1890 🔗

During conversations about this bollox I’ve been called a ‘rebel’ and an ‘old hippy’. I’m happy to admit to being both, and more.

430183 ▶▶▶ Carmen B, replying to Annie, 25, #160 of 1890 🔗

Interesting to hear you say that, about “being Different and Therefore Wrong”. I’d concluded that about myself with WuFlu – in social terms, I’m used to being off to the side or the bottom of the heap, and so being the only person present not wearing a face mask isn’t enough to make me feel like I should go against my own interests and join the crowd.

I’ve just returned from another trip to Melbourne, Victoria. I wore a face mask on the plane, in the public areas of the hospital I was visiting, at a club a family member took us to for dinner, and in one shop . And that was all. I didn’t wear a mask in the airport, in taxis, in the hotel, in restaurants or in any other shop. I’m very much a rarity in that, but the thing is, hardly anyone says a word about it. If they do, all you have to say is “I have an exemption”, and that’s been the end of the conversation every time.

The fact that I can prove a genuine medical reason for not wearing masks is beside the point. I’m a timid kind of person who hates confrontation, so if I can be brave, why can’t others?

430203 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 18, #161 of 1890 🔗

I, too, have been Different and Therefore Wrong since I was a child. Never know it was going to be my actual survival strategy as an adult!

430290 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #162 of 1890 🔗

You do realise that this information is being used by the people controlling all of this to ensure that they will spot this early enough with children now masked in schools to stamp it out and to ensure that no one who behaves like we did will ever be allowed to pursue such blatant disregard for the herd mentality in the dystopian future they are setting up.

430702 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jos, 4, #163 of 1890 🔗

Or… children of the brainwashed will sadly not survive, and children of the sane will evolve stronger – in body, mind and soul. Could be actual Darwinism at play…???

430237 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Annie, 20, #164 of 1890 🔗

I too have always been Different-Therefore-Wrong, never quite fitting into any particular “clan”. I was probably in my 50s before I really stopped caring, and adopted the attitude “I’m Different Therefore Right” (Though with becoming modesty I freely admit that being always right is one of my less endearing characteristics 🙂 )

Being different never got me anywhere in the corporate world, but eventually there came acknowledgment that my differences added a value because my opinions (even unsought) were not subject to the groupthink of the clans/factions.

I just have to be true to myself. If that means I question the narrative, refuse to wear a mask and remain uncowed, then I can always hold my head up, wherever this all ends.

430273 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 8, #165 of 1890 🔗

“Being different never got me anywhere in the corporate world, but eventually there came acknowledgment that my differences added a value because my opinions (even unsought) were not subject to the groupthink of the clans/factions.”

Sounds just like me!

430363 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 17, #166 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I think I’ve been different, but probably only since my mid twenties. I’ve always been very analytical and done things based on logic, but it never occurred to me many intelligent people didn’t do the same.

I used to assume those more experienced than me, must be right, even though they couldn’t explain their logic on an issue. But time and time again it transpired later that the reason that they had no clear logic was that they were wrong or if they were right they were right by chance not for the reasons they had given.

So I kept a careful mental note of all these occasions and learned from those occasions when I was right all along, and the occasions when I was wrong.

I remember at work calling out a mis-selling scandal that was costing the company I worked for hundreds of millions of pounds. Unbelievably, while they had been found out and were being forced to pay for the mis-selling, they were carrying on mis-selling at the same rate as the past. Having noticed this, I took the matter up with a senior person at the company. The only action taken was that the executive team took legal advice to see if they might be held personally liable for the mis-selling, as that was their only concern. I was made redundant a few months later. A fairly senior manager that I worked for, but who wasn’t in on what had happened complained about my redundancy, and the redundancy was made voluntary, but I took the opportunity to exit. Later a story got out into the press covering part of the mis-selling that had gone on. I understood from my friends at work, that they thought I was responsible for the leak, I wasn’t, but it was nice to know they were thinking of me.

In truth I got through my employed work career, staying true to myself, but without having to cause too many difficulties for myself, and eventually went self-employed which gave me much greater autonomy in my actions. So I have huge respect for the real whistleblowers, with much greater courage than me, who have had to take real risks.

However my understanding of the corporate governing world has improved. To make your way to a senior position in a company, you need to be willing to play all sorts of nasty games, and act in what I would consider to be an immoral way. Although I didn’t work in the pharmaceutical industry, I know the sort of things that probably go on there. It’s not a meritocracy, which explains the likes of Vallance, Van Tam and Whitty.

So I’d put my being different down to being analytical and being able to see through the corporate world and the corporate lies.

430400 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #167 of 1890 🔗

I too have a great respect for whistleblowers they are very brave people. They risk their careers to highlight injustices within companies or government departments. Let’s face it if those companies or government departments are on the level and not up to dirty tricks there wouldn’t be any need for whistle-blowers.

430608 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edumacated eejit, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #168 of 1890 🔗

I liked your piece as I can relate to it in my own experience.

“To make your way to a senior position in a company, you need to be willing to play all sorts of nasty games, and act in what I would consider to be an immoral way.”

Too true, and obviously the same goes for politics – yet we vote them in!

430246 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Annie, 12, #169 of 1890 🔗

Since they started ramming PC politics down my privileged white male throat i’ve been different and therefore wrong. Society placed me in the social pariah status and forced me to challenge everything I thought I believed in.

As a result I sit on the right of the spectrum and therefore I am used to not following the herd nowadays. It’s usually my go to position as they are often entirely wrong and misdirected by the media.

431290 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Annie, 3, #170 of 1890 🔗

I’ve always enjoyed being different. Someone once told me I wasn’t like other people as an insult. I took it as a compliment.

430086 ▶▶ danny, replying to karenovirus, 26, #171 of 1890 🔗

Good point.
This is a very 21st century, selfish version of a “pandemic”.

“I believe the world is ending, yet I also want to carry on as normal whilst criticising others. I know. Stick a mask on my face.”

I I felt the way they do about the danger of this virus I would be locked at home with the windows sealed shut, a stack of canned goods and an array of weapons by the door.

430130 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to danny, 18, #172 of 1890 🔗

Very true! There are an awful lot of hypocrites around. I bet most of my immediate neighbours would say they agree with Lockdown – but absolutely none of them are abiding by the rules (judging by the number of visitors they are having). Ironic really given that I am, almost certainly, the only one around here that is anti-Lockdown and yet not having loads of visitors (because I’m not a “local”). Still – quite a few people I know have now seen me in the supermarket and various other shops and so do know I’m not in Lockdown (as a mask was conspicuous by its absence).

430712 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to ElizaP, 7, #173 of 1890 🔗

I think few people are really following the rules in total, other than businesses who risk consequences.
For other people, there are just not enough cops and informers to go around, and while BS can be maintained for a few weeks it starts to become unenforceable after a few months. Rebellion would be good but an erosion of compliance is more likely and in my view has already been happening and is likely to gather pace.
Johnson has rejected “Zero-Covid”, which already has some on the Labour benches etc. moaning.

430095 ▶▶ VeryLittleHelps, replying to karenovirus, 46, #174 of 1890 🔗

Most people do not understand even the basics about infection control, they have been conned into thinking that facemasks actually achieve something. At Tesco, where I work, 98% of staff wear them. They wear ill fitting cloth rags, mostly unwashed for weeks at a time, constantly fiddled with and removed while in the canteen. Even the Trolley staff are required to wear them.
Everytime I point out the absurdity of those pathetic pieces of cloth, I get blank looks. The fact of the matter is they will wear them until they are told they don’t have to anymore.

430104 ▶▶ scuzbert, replying to karenovirus, 25, #175 of 1890 🔗

Some people genuinely don’t know about the exemption. They believe you have to have a medical condition to be exempt. Don’t forget, pretty much every shop has large posters telling you masks MUST be worn. To date, I’ve only seen one sign with *unless medically exempt in tiny lettering at the bottom.
Two of my friends wear their masks because they ‘feel safer’ doing it. I’ve tried explaining that, not only do they not protect you but can be bad for you but they still carry on wearing them.

431036 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to scuzbert, 2, #176 of 1890 🔗

Many places show quite clearly ‘unless you are exempt’ on their signs saying that a mask must be worn. Sainsbury’s is an example where I am in Chesterfield.

431333 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to scuzbert, 1, #177 of 1890 🔗

This lack of info on exemptions info is very annoying, even dentists insist on this face covering must be worn crap.

430126 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 16, #178 of 1890 🔗

I think some people don’t know about them and even if they have conditions that render them exempt they would rather have more say ashtma attacks because they don’t want the confrontation.

One of my colleagues admitted that its for psychological reasons that she wears it and this despite the fact that I’ve pointed out that mask wearing was harmful both from a physical and psychological standpoint.

430208 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 12, #179 of 1890 🔗

They haven’t a clue what they are doing is what. They get their signals from those around them and some small snippets of news.

As soon as a critical mass of thinking individuals ditch the masks, only the truly psychologically damaged will remain masked

430309 ▶▶ stewart, replying to karenovirus, 2, #180 of 1890 🔗

Not as easy to get away with as the others.

430449 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to karenovirus, 7, #181 of 1890 🔗

Why do people ignore or evade other measures yet obey the face nappy rule when it us so easy to be exempt ?

Camouflage. Same reason that if you were a spy in occupied France during WW2 you walked about wearing a beret and a carrying string of onions, not wearing a bowler hat carrying a rolled umbrella.

431941 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Old Bill, #182 of 1890 🔗

Verisimilitude perhaps ?

430069 TimeIsNow, 7, #183 of 1890 🔗

A cry for freedom from Edinburgh. Scottish Liberty Party have been good throughout.


430071 danny, replying to danny, 130, #184 of 1890 🔗

Doctor doctor I think I feel fine.
Well, sit down in that wheelchair, just in case you fall over and break your legs. The strain on the hospitals with you there would be awful.
Don’t be selfish. It’s just for 3 weeks.
Doctor doctor. It’s been a year now, and I’m still in the wheelchair. I really do feel fine so I was wondering if maybe….
Look, I told you before. Think of others. (Long sigh). Fine. Come back tomorrow and i’ll think about it.
Next day.
Ok. Over the course of the next 4 months, we will cautiously get you moving. We will start in two weeks time, where I’ll let you move your big toe up and down.
Then in 5 week gaps we will move on to different toes, flexing your ankle….
God no. Don’t rush me. Then, at the end of that 4 months you might be allowed to walk again, with a Zimmer frame of course.
A Zimmer frame? But… How long for?
Possibly forever. Impossible to say, but we cannot and will not risk you falling over or we’ll be right back to square one won’t we?
I suppose so. Sorry.
Now. Off you go. I’m very busy.
Thanks Doctor, bye.
Oh. One more thing.
If the hospital gets busy over the next 4 months, then of course you understand we will have to scrap all this?
Oh. Yes doctor.
Off you go. Don’t scratch my doorframe with your wheelchair on the way out. Honestly, you should be good at it by now. Everybody else is managing without complaint.

430107 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to danny, 9, #185 of 1890 🔗

Very good.

430161 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to danny, 16, #186 of 1890 🔗

Thanks Danny, needed a smile this morning!
Depressing day yesterday – I think I preferred life without the “roadmap”. (And I see even Annie has been driven to capital letters – things must be bad 😊 )

431574 ▶▶▶ zubin, replying to BTLnewbie, #187 of 1890 🔗

That made me laugh; thankyou

430436 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to danny, 3, #188 of 1890 🔗

Brilliant, most creative Danny boy!

430739 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to danny, 2, #189 of 1890 🔗

Man after me own ….

430072 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 14, #190 of 1890 🔗

The Bozzer announces that we must learn to live with Covid.

430093 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Fingerache Philip, 23, #191 of 1890 🔗

You’ve missed the point – learning to live with covid lockdowns, covid yearly vaxx and covid passports.

430073 Annie, replying to Annie, 95, #192 of 1890 🔗

Warm, sunny day yesterday.

Strolling on the sand where a river meets the sea. Sparkles and gurgles as the river and sea water pleat themselves into endlessly varying patterns. Beach strewn with drifts of white cockleshells. Patterns of red and grey rocks. A quickening of green things growing, and the first primroses. People strolling, children laughing, dogs playing together. Smiles, greetings, the little joking remarks that people make to strangers to show their goodwill.

All strictly forbidden in Gulag Wales.

But we were all there anyway.

430091 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 11, #193 of 1890 🔗

I was chatting to a friend in Pembroke Dock yesterday, as I was planning on a visit later this week. Sadly it isn’t going to happen as she cautioned me that the cops west of Carmarthen are bored shitless, so are routinely pulling all and sundry over.

Any suggestions for a destination within range of Newport Annie. I desperately want to get the camera out.

430096 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #194 of 1890 🔗

Do you mean Newport, Mon., or Newport, Pembs?
I was west of Carmarthen the whole afternoon yesterday, never a sniff of a rozzer.
Not seen one in Pembs for ages, either. And I get about.

430190 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 10, #195 of 1890 🔗

I’m Newport, former Mon Annie. Good to know though thanks.

I might find a house that needs viewing near the seaside somewhere.

430209 ▶▶▶▶ bellapie, replying to Annie, 9, #196 of 1890 🔗

Annie I love reading all your comments. We were often down to Pembs to visit my parents who are all locked up and constantly glued to the BBC and mass media. It is so good to hear there a voice of sanity coming from down there.

431580 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richy_m_99, #197 of 1890 🔗

Have a piece of paper in your car that says “sorry I cannot speak. I have a valid reason for travel to do with mental health. Sorry,I cannot tell you any more.”

430100 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 27, #198 of 1890 🔗

After hearing our ‘Dear Leader’ yesterday I did feel he ought to get out more, he announced that very soon people would be allowed to do what they are already doing anyway and more besides. Locally, it seems to me, that the fear factor is slipping away and as the weather picks up the lock-down road map could be overwhelmed by a tsunami of freedom seeking traffic.

430714 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #199 of 1890 🔗

My general impression of London.

430117 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Annie, 6, #200 of 1890 🔗

Good for you! They can’t take any of that away and I hate them for trying to do so.

430392 ▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Annie, 2, #201 of 1890 🔗

Love West Wales – Bosherston, Stackpole, Porthgain, St David’s – we’ll be back one day. Keep going Annie

430075 Will, replying to Will, 33, #202 of 1890 🔗

Still no one has asked Ferguslime about pre existing immunity, cross immunity and why “infections” have been falling before every single lockdown. I notice he had nothing to say about his ridiculous BSE/ vCJD predictions which precipitated the ruination and suicide of hundreds of British farmers. An apology would be nice. Anyway, I still think the lady doth protest too much.

430115 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 11, #203 of 1890 🔗

Why is anyone asking Ferguson anything with his track record? Why does he still exist?

431624 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Anti_socialist, #204 of 1890 🔗

He’s totally discredited

430188 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Will, 4, #205 of 1890 🔗

Yeah, both readers were nowhere near the mark, which is probably why he replied.

430214 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 5, #206 of 1890 🔗

I also note how his swine flu predictions could still become true.

He’s mad in the head.

430795 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #207 of 1890 🔗

It’s like the alleged prophecies of Nostradamus – predict disaster, don’t be too specific about the details, and eventually something bad will happen and they can say “Look, my prediction came true”.

430077 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #208 of 1890 🔗

‘I would also note that SAGE has never revised the RWC for Covid agreed last March, largely because the severity we estimated for the virus turned out, unfortunately, to be basically spot on.’

Well, Prof Ferguson, if you got it spot on, take a look at the attached and then tell us exactly how that corresponds with ‘severe’ at all?

430105 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 9, #209 of 1890 🔗

Oh, and if your glib response is that your dotty predictions would have come about without government intervention; lockdowns, that would be complete nonsense:

‘California and Florida provide a clear example for the dubious efficacy of Covid-19 restrictions. Their disparities elucidate the enduring costs of lockdowns with regard to the economy and livelihoods of residents. The states also pave the way for us to better understand whether authoritarian measures truly work in controlling a virus and, on a greater scale, the trajectory of human behavior.’

‘More and more people flee California to places like Tennessee, Texas, and Florida as they continue to be restricted in their freedom to work and go to school.’


430151 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #210 of 1890 🔗

Perhaps he is Humpty Dumpty, ‘A word means what I take it to mean; no more, no less’.

430219 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #211 of 1890 🔗

In all this time. And with their multiple media appearances, not just Ferguson but all of SAGE, they’ve never really been asked to debate. Some pro lockdown heads have encouragingly done so, see the Cambridge Union debate, but for SAGE they bat safe balls only.

And they wonder why everyone’s a conspiracy theorist now.

430083 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 51, #212 of 1890 🔗

It’s all a BIG FAT LIE to usher in authoritarian “health passports” that will deny you your fundamental human rights. Resist it all NOW. No tests, no forced isolation. No vaccines. Don’t pick up phone to doctors or unknown numbers. Don’t answer the door. Put junk mail IN THE BIN!

430221 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #213 of 1890 🔗

Great advice!

Resist testing of school children and masks in the classrooms

431579 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #214 of 1890 🔗

I have told my doctor’s surgery that I didn’t want the vaccine twice. Since then I have had 15 phone calls (unaswered naturally) and three letters, one from the hospital and two from the surgery. I’m doing as you suggested but sometimes it feels like harrassment.

430084 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 23, #215 of 1890 🔗

They may yet live to regret flushing out the antivaxxers…. seems the general public DO want to know what toxic substances do to their bodies.

430103 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #216 of 1890 🔗

Here’s hoping. Some bed wetters don’t seem to care though. Just reach for the magic snake oil.

430114 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bigade, 5, #217 of 1890 🔗

Been groomed into being drug addicts. Having seen active addicts close up, it’s disturbing to watch.

431064 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #218 of 1890 🔗

wish I shared your optimism on that – seems to me majority of uk general public are still swallowing the govt/media proposition that there is a deadly disease out there that they MUST be vaccinated against in order to be allowed to live normally again/go on holiday and are not looking too deeply into any side effects of what they are consenting to or its efficacy etc.

430087 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 6, #219 of 1890 🔗

I don’t blame Fergi for anything much; the people in government who give this doofus any credence whatsoever are the ones to blame.

430098 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Brett_McS, 9, #220 of 1890 🔗

I blame him for existing: a serious error on the part of Evolution.

430088 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 87, #221 of 1890 🔗

The condition that new “variants” do not emerge to render everything null and void, renders everything null and void. And the dates for “relaxing” the oppression are not dates for relaxing the oppression. They are dates before which nothing will happen. Nothing is guaranteed to happen on or after those dates either. The entire announcement was nothing more than the echoing burst of a bubble of methane fart from the fatberg that is Johnson’s incontinent mind.

And make no mistake, Johnson is the one to aim at. The fact that you in Britain are being held hostage by the pathologically risk-averse is down to him. He is the elected Prime Minister and he could turn round to those snivelling little cowards and say, “Thank you for your advice, but I am the PM and we are opening up.” But he’s just as much of a snivelling little coward as they are.

He needs removing. Now. Preferably from the face of the earth. You ARE hostages, and no hostage situation was ever resolved by the hostages politely writing letters to their captors arguing the rational case for being released. Given that there is no prospect of an SAS team kicking in the windows, you have no option. You have to go all Todd Beamer on their ass.

430108 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 21, #222 of 1890 🔗

THANK YOU!!! This post has made my day. I think you are originally NN in Thailand and you’ve been awake to the BS from day one. And one day I hope I get to hug you. Thank you!!! Every WORD of this!

430113 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 8, #223 of 1890 🔗

You credit Johnson with too much say in what he does, nut nut is controlling the fat.

430416 ▶▶ click-clack, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 5, #224 of 1890 🔗

You have summed up, perfectly, exactly how I feel. Thank you. It is a relief to know I am not alone.

430572 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #225 of 1890 🔗

made my day too, so true . can we add gates to the list too please .

430718 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 10, #226 of 1890 🔗

Two conclusions we can draw from last night’s ‘Roadmap’ out of lockdown:

  1. Don’t bother with the vaccines because they don’t work.
  2. Freedom is only for summer, be prepared for lockdown again next winter.
431885 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #227 of 1890 🔗

Boris Johnson is all the things you say and worse. Boris has a full blown eugenicist for a father, who has been campaigning for decades for measures to reduce the global population. Boris takes his orders from Bill Gates, another lifelong eugenicist and ardent advocate of global population reduction by use of vaccines. Gates is behind all of the western frontrunner vaccines and you really don’t have to be a sniffer dog to smell the bloody big dead rat that’s stinking here. For Gates, it’s as if his wettest dreams have come true, kill off the disgusting plebs and gets to double his money in the process.

430089 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 23, #228 of 1890 🔗

I spent the early part of this morning catching up on Peter Hitchens latest interview on Talk Radio (from yesterday). The discussion began with talk of our liberties, whether we would ever get them back, and so on.
Hitchens observed:
‘I think that an awful lot of people have grown used to this. I think that a surprising number of people quite like it…that they readily swap actual liberty for notional safety…and I think that’s been established’.
As we await the spoonfuls of ‘normality’ that the government will dole out to us over the coming weeks, mindful that at any moment the rug could quite easily be tugged from under our feet, it could be seen that, to borrow from the metaphorical story Hitchens mentions, we are reduced to ‘bargaining for a parody of the freedom (we) used to have’ .
Some might argue that Hitchens is too pessimistic, regarding his viewpoint of the perceived supplicant nature of the population at large; others that he is bang on the money.
Some have noted here that they have perceived a change in the tenor of comments in papers like The Daily Mail , and I often follow the links that are posted here, and it does seem to be true that people are now expressing their frustration and anger much more readily than a few months ago.
The article in yesterday’s Telegraph about face masks for school children engendered a seething torrent of vitriol against that crazy measure. I went back this morning to see if the views had in anyway changed, and no, they hadn’t except for the addition of some comments by a tiresome troll going by the moniker of ‘Lazy Teacher’.
I am starting to believe now, (or perhaps I’m kidding myself and simply want to believe), that there is something akin to a pressure cooker effect, that people are genuinely becoming fed up and that it won’t take much for the whole thing to blow. The catalyst might be something as innocuous as the first very mild sunny day across the country, and how people choose to act, something like the beach scenes last year.
Then I saw this in this mornings Telegraph :
On reading that, (‘vaccine envy’ indeed), I have two pieces of advice for Gavin Newsham:
1: Don’t be such a fucking twat.
2: You really need to get off of social media pronto.

It’s worth a read because it is so hilarious but not for any reason that I think he would comprehend.

430247 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Alex B, 2, #229 of 1890 🔗

PETER HITCHENS could have become a LEADER but instead he sat on the sidelines as a contrarian COWARD.

I think his commentary belongs somewhere at the beginning of all this, before people realised this was a PlanScamdemic.

He has his niche and has done well out of it. Hitchens is a total coward.

430313 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to FedupofLies, 13, #230 of 1890 🔗

I have to give Peter his due he has been resolute from day one even in the face of severe vitriol. I cannot call Peter a coward if the whole population had been as well learned as him we wouldn’t be in this mess.

430336 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FedupofLies, 14, #231 of 1890 🔗

Maybe he just isn’t cut out to lead anything or anyone. He’s a journalist.

I for one was grateful that he was around at the very start. It was very comforting to hear someone say publicly what I was seeing and thinking for myself.

It was a very helpful sanity check.

430295 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Alex B, 6, #232 of 1890 🔗

Once the side effects start materialising, I have no doubt that there will be vaccine envy – those who have received the “vaccine” will envy those of us who have not.

430090 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 26, #233 of 1890 🔗

This is not the Great Reopening, it is another step towards The Gulag Britain – lockdowns, yearly vaxx and vaxx passports are still on the table.

431552 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to TheClone, #234 of 1890 🔗

It is planned that WE will active the Great Opening.


430092 TJN, replying to TJN, 38, #235 of 1890 🔗

A few juicy bits from the Government roadmap, as cited in today’s post:

To ensure the country is prepared for these scenarios and while further evidence is gathered, the Government is planning for a revaccination campaign, which is likely to run later this year in autumn or winter … Over the longer term, revaccination is likely to become a regular part of managing COVID-19.

The Government will review whether COVID-status certification could play a role in reopening our economy … This will include assessing to what extent [vaccine] certification would be effective in reducing risk, and the potential uses to enable access to settings or a relaxation of COVID-Secure mitigations.

… the Government can look to introduce a system to allow vaccinated individuals to travel more freely internationally.

The UK is working with other countries who have started similar programmes, to lead global efforts to adopt a clear international framework with standards that provide consistency for passengers and industry alike. [i.e. vaccines] The Government will make this a reality through ongoing work with the World Health Organisation and other multilateral organisations …

… any such system will take time to implement. … Introducing such a system also needs to be fair and not unduly disadvantage people who have yet to be offered – or gain access to – a vaccine. [i.e. those who refuse the vaccine become non-people]

… the Government is also investing in bolstering domestic vaccine production capacity across the whole of the UK.

 And all this presented by the purveyors of this site with almost jaunty insouciance.

Toby Young, Jonathan Barr: no matter what your services in the past, this is not good enough. What side are you on?

If you are going along with this, then this site is finished. There’s no point in it anymore, and perhaps never was.

430102 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to TJN, 34, #236 of 1890 🔗

The idea of certification – just a different name for the “vaccine” passport, or immunity passport. Ironically anyone who has ever tested positive (falsely or otherwise) should be able to claim immunity. But that’s not what this is about – this has nothing to do with immunity, nothing to do with risk, it’s to do with compliance through fear and coercion. Those who won’t do as required could easily become second class citizens.

430106 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, 9, #237 of 1890 🔗

He’s on his side, which is the opposite of our side, note the constant attacks on “ conspiracy theorists ” a.k.a anything opposing the establishment narrative. I’ve never really bought into the “ controlled opposition/gatekeeper ” trope, but I think we are witnessing a mi5 covert operation. Now tell mi5 is a conspiracy theory!

430229 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #238 of 1890 🔗

He’s on his side

Do you mean Toby, or JB? I’m hoping i’m wrong, but there’s an unpleasant whiff starting to emerge from the daily posts. (Although others will argue it’s been there for a while.)

430291 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, 4, #239 of 1890 🔗

The stink has been lingering for sometime, I’m even starting to question the reason it was ever started. It’s a classic strategy to herd your enemy in one place to monitor them 😉

430657 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJN, 2, #240 of 1890 🔗

LS is controlled opposition?

430779 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Rowan, 1, #241 of 1890 🔗

I’m beginning to wonder.

430097 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 34, #242 of 1890 🔗

Please stop the conspiracy theorist social stigmatization. There is an elite cabal that have an agenda to control us as Toby Young knows all too well, it is a political neo-liberal elite, a.k.a middle class establishment & he is one of them! People of various descriptions have delusions of grandeur to rule the world. They usually fail, but there is no denying the ruling class of liberal left encouraged facilitated & funded by nihilistic globalists.

The purpose of their conduct is simple, to destroy traditional conservative & religious cultural values that are a road block to the new world order a.k.a one world governance & anyone denying that ambition must have been living on the moon for the last 75yrs. As if to prove this our lives & economies are dominated by NGOs eg. IMF, WHO, UN etc. Their aim is to deconstruct cultural traditions, beliefs, nature & natural process. Fundamentals that underpin society such as principles of biology, the function of sexual dimorphism, biological reproduction, nuclear family corrupt by the normalization of sexual deviation, destruction of community by corporate interest, the demolition of Nation by unelected unaccountable neo-liberal coalitions i.e. the EU.

Another threat has surfaced with technology, that threatens both the establishment agenda & democracy, the power of social media. The social media giants Facebook, Twitter & Amazon (Amazon identifies itself as a software company not a retailer) effectively stole the election from one senile old man with the wrong political views for another one that probably doesn’t even know what year it is. Note how scared western leaders have suddenly become of the power social media holds, even they are shocked at how social media fixed the US election.

There is a conspiracy to control us, it’s as old as our species it’s designed to manipulate the masses for domination, it’s a power grab it’s called politics, groups of like-minded individuals collaborating to advance their personal interests, the purpose is to control others via resources it’s been happening for thousands of years first by controlling, land, money, food supply, medicine, housing etc. via legislation, Regulation & rules, enslaving the unlucky & unwilling alike ! Total control is getting ever closer! Totalitarian technocracy is the conspiracy fact, predators & parasites such as Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg et al. are just part of it.

430361 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #243 of 1890 🔗

Correct. This is nothing short of a concerted forced transition to a new model of managing human livestock.

They finally have the tech to control the herd, and the tech to run things without plebs. There is only a place for the elite owners of playground Earth, and a limited number of pliable manual worker drones. Numbers of anyone outside of those groups will now be slowly, and surely, tapered off.

It’s been over one hundred years in the making, and now, it is finally time to execute.

430101 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 42, #244 of 1890 🔗

Let’s get one thing straight abotu Neil Ferguson. He believes he’s right because he is a theorist. I’ve come across theoretical physicists in my career and the ones bedded in with the government teat mostly believe their own farts. The telling response was:

What is dangerous “alternate reality” nonsense is using rhetoric and cherry-picking of the science to try to deny the threat posed by the virus. To give a couple of not too historic examples:



Ferguson does not discuss measurement. His whole theory is predicted on it, as is all scientific study, but he chooses not to believe a pathologist who deals in this everyday is wrong.

Do I trust or accept everything Claire Craig says? No. But she makes a lot of points that are valid about the difficulties and dangers of overdiagnosis.

Ferguson DOES NOT CARE about that. He is a theorist. He believes his models and that’s it.

The trouble is that he is saying that he ethically believes his models should be applied. He does not caveat anything in those letters.

I would have fired him and his ilk ages ago and possibly looked into protecting myself legally.

These people are the same as the Met Office climate people and UEA crowd. Along with the Michael Mann’s and Schmidt’s of the world.

Ferguson does not consider scientific reality in that

a) there is not sufficient measurement precision in the method to properly attribute Covid. There are papers on this already about flu not being tested for, as well as the fact that a few minutes scutiny of the symptoms list would show you this

b) the real world control tests with different places doing different things showed LITTLE TO NO EFFECT.

Do not keep writing to him.

We need to raise an inquiry into ethical violations. He and his team are applying hypothesis and speculation as if they are fact.

Volkswagen got hauled over the coals for having a special bit of “tested but undeclared” software running on their cars purely to meet stupidly low emission standards. Standards that have been reduced year on year because of increasing green policies.

But the cars themselves were fine. It was a technical violation.

Ferguson and his team, as has been pointed out many times are making fundamental errors and violating the principles of applicable science.

I’m not surprised though.

430121 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 5, #245 of 1890 🔗

Great post. I have had some terrible experiences of theoretical mathematical modellers.

430169 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TJN, 12, #246 of 1890 🔗

In IT I see nothing but bad models. I have never encountered an accurate one. On any topic, ever. Bad data, no data validation, corrupted source files, no documentation, no in line code comments, bad coding, logical errors aplenty, no testing…etc etc. Would take myself with 2 friends about 4 hours to completely demolish Fergutard’s models. They are shyte.

430176 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to FerdIII, 4, #247 of 1890 🔗

I almost totally agree with your post. Same experience with me. But I’ve written a good model – to calculate tides, sun/moon/rise/set, etc. Bodged in excel. Works fine. The thing is, I’ve tested it against actual observations …

and no one paid me for it.

430180 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to FerdIII, 5, #248 of 1890 🔗

Same thing in my career and that’s even including experimental physics. Ferguson making the claim that arguing about code is meaningless is another tell. He uses those very same models to drive his understanding of viruses. They all do that.

They get new data and plug it into the same shite without considering the wider picture and the quality of the data. And after having their circle-jerk with all their mates you are the one who is wrong.

Personally I say leave them to it. Just don’t give them any opportunity to apply it to the real world

430223 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 5, #249 of 1890 🔗

I find Ferguson’s emails deeply tedious. He’s a charlatan, and as such has nothing to say.

430145 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to mhcp, 5, #250 of 1890 🔗

I’m not scientist and neither is Ferguson. Both of us ponder life and make guesses.

430164 ▶▶▶ Brett_McS, replying to PatrickF, 8, #251 of 1890 🔗

It started becoming quite common in the ’70s and ’80s for scientists starting off in physics to find they weren’t quite up to it and had no real prospects in the field, so they would transfer to biology or some other less intense field. I’d guess that Fergi is one of those.

430110 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 13, #252 of 1890 🔗

mRNA vaccines for farm animals? Erm no thank you!

“The precision of the technology was summed up for me when one of the virus experts was recently asked on the BBC if the vaccine would work on the new variant of the virus.
He said: “The genetic code is like an email; we just go in and precisely adjust a few letters in it to reflect the change in the virus.”
These genetically engineered vaccines will literally save millions of lives, allow economies and businesses to thrive again and save jobs.
Yet these precision genetic techniques, which have the potential to revolutionise crop breeding and vaccine development for animals, are being denied to the farming industry by the SNP Government.
Surely it is time our politicians used their common sense, ended the hypocrisy and recognised these tools are part of the solution in the move to a more sustainable agriculture.”


Would you be happy eating meat which had come from animals “vaccinated” with mRNA vaccines? I wouldn’t touch anything GMO if I knew about it.


430213 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to this is my username, 3, #253 of 1890 🔗

I believe that mRNAvaccines were used innths poultry industry against Avian Flu. Now, any sign of the virys in a bird and tghe entire flock is destroyed.

Neat way of getting a reliance on synthetic meat, as a certain indivudual is suggesting we should all be eating instead of the real stuff.

430111 Friedrich Stapß, 26, #254 of 1890 🔗

The Canadian actress who died because her operation was cancelled to enable hospital staff to focus on doing TikTok dances in celebration of how heroic they are in fighting on the front line against Covid… everyone in that article is still saying her death was “because of the pandemic” and a hospital doctor even blames people for “not obeying the rules” and thereby supposedly causing infections and putting pressure on hospitals and bla bla bla fucking bla.

Likewise Ferguson’s self-defence acrobatics in the email exchanges reported above.

The schism in the public discourse reminds me of nothing so much as the unbridgeable divide that followed the Reformation. It’s now completely impossible for those of us with a broader, more proportionate perspective to communicate across the gulf with the zealots of the “new normal”. And I’m sure they feel the same way about communicating with the people they insist on deriding as “Deniers”.

I was going through some old notes yesterday and found a comment I wrote about the Brexit shambles some time in 2018. I’ve added it here, below. Replace the word “Remoaner” with “Corona’s Witness” and “hard Brexiteer” with “Lockdown Denier” and I think it’s a fair assessment of where we are now. Which suggests that it wasn’t Brexit driving the delinquency of public debate, and it isn’t covid either. It’s something deeply, pathologically wrong with the public mind.

Where does it go from here?

Well, Luther published his bombshell disputation in 1517, and it took a century for things to boil up properly into a truly cataclysmic war that laid waste to almost the entire Holy Roman Empire. And then that war lasted thirty years, hence its name, until everyone was so war-weary and bankrupt that a compromise was reached. So, let’s say the Brexit meltdown was in 2017 – maybe we can expect an uneasy peace to be declared in 2148.


 The whole thing has descended from tragedy through farce to comedy so black, not even the studio audience is laughing. Instead, open-mouthed, it bears mute collective witness to a slanging match of fatuous rebel yells, as the British parties to what passes for debate sling gobbets of soggy rhetorical cowshit like “Remoaner” or “Hard Brexiteer” at each other, in the manner of two drunk farmers in angry combat over what they think is a solid piece of fertile land, but is in fact a raft of tangled brushwood, woven with river weed and plastic debris, drifting out to sea and already, calamitously for all concerned, out of sight of any shore.

430112 straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 33, #255 of 1890 🔗

Why is the msm barking on about ‘back to normal’ by June 21st? (Don’t worry its a retorical question!) It’s just another carrot on a 4 month long stick. They really are taking the piss now. Apart from a few nuts on social media I think the mood is changing out there. I took my kids to the play park over the weekend and again yesterday. Very busy, not a mask in sight. I spoke to a few parents I know and they’re all fed up with it now. Apart from a few nuts on social media I think the collective mood is changing. A nice, sunny weekend in March should bring the masses out to play and put this shit show to bed.

430122 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 23, #256 of 1890 🔗

Johnson had to appease back benchers to protect his position, the road map is bollocks, numerous roadworks will mean an infinity of diversions, this map isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, Johnson is set to piss away trillions more on vaccines, testing, tracing, furlough & PPE enriching his cronies & corporate interests at the expense of guess who! Whilst we slowly rot in enslavement.

430167 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #257 of 1890 🔗

Doris and SAGE idiots will start messaging LD4 in the spring (or threaten it), hence the variants and ‘doubts’ about vaxx efficacy (flu vaxxes never stop transmission, no proof exists they do). His roadmap is a short jaunt and then a return to base.

430661 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, #258 of 1890 🔗

Roadworks all over the place and of course variant road blocks ahead.

430118 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 24, #259 of 1890 🔗

Johnson’s road map has been set out with, we assume, the approval of the Behavioural Insights Team. These people are the supposed experts – so they must surely know the effect these restrictions are having, as well as the psychological harm of the way they are being lifted. The messaging from the government has been orchestrated by a group of technocrats and experts who are deliberately harming people’s well being – they cannot be assumed not to know what is happening to so many.

430163 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to this is my username, 14, #260 of 1890 🔗

If there is an industry of fraud and nonsense it is Psychology and related ‘expertise’. Imagine a country of 70 mns submitting itself to fake models, made up by quackademics ‘fact checked’ by behavioural philosophy lunatics. Beggards f***ing belief really.

430746 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 4, #261 of 1890 🔗

When this shit show is over, these “behavioural psychologists” should be jailed, sacked from their jobs and struck off from their professional body (if there is one).

Then the worst offenders like that Mitchie woman should be executed.

430160 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 9, #263 of 1890 🔗

SAGE should be in jail en masse for criminality and wanton stupidity. Not a single one of them is a code programmer, data expert, or IT expert. They are just academics. That is all. Their models wiped out our lives.

431125 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FerdIII, #264 of 1890 🔗

They are behavioural psychologists and extremely good at what they do – unfortunately for us!

430123 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 43, #265 of 1890 🔗

This is appalling:

“No jab, no NHS job? Professor Chris Whitty says covid vaccines could be compulsory for medics and care staff because all workers should want to get inoculated voluntarily anyway”

So because you “should want” to get the experimental gene therapy it’s ok to make it compulsory? No, it’s not ok – the top comments on that article are good. Lots of people saying no!

430132 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to this is my username, 34, #266 of 1890 🔗

It was always about vaccines, Johnson raised my alarm bells on vaccination before he even became pm. He keeps referring to anti-vaxxers as nutters, all politicians are manufacturing hatred & discrimination toward people that don’t want them. All western leaders are fully aware of UNESCO medical treaties & Nuremberg code & their legal position its why they just simply don’t legislate compulsory vaccination. It’s coercive & divisory, it’s a conspiracy.

430155 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #267 of 1890 🔗

Johnson is not a nice man. Here’s a “fact checked” piece about his views on “blue collar” men:

“Boris Johnson did write that “blue collar” men are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless”

He also wrote a piece on overpopulation which you can read here: http://www.eyemead.com/overpop.htm

Quote: “The world’s population is now 6.7 billion, roughly double what it was when I was born. If I live to be in my mid-eighties, then it will have trebled in my lifetime. The UN last year revised its forecasts upwards, predicting that there will be 9.2 billion people by 2050, and I simply cannot understand why no one discusses this impending calamity, and why no world statesmen have the guts to treat the issue with the seriousness it deserves. How the hell can we witter on about tackling global warming, and reducing consumption, when we are continuing to add so relentlessly to the number of consumers? The answer is politics, and political cowardice.”

430192 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to this is my username, 8, #268 of 1890 🔗

“drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless” – hmmm is Johnson projecting there? I think he has ticked each of those boxes at some point along the way.

430439 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #269 of 1890 🔗

He’s done more than his bit to populate the world too having fathered 6 known children.

431131 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to this is my username, #270 of 1890 🔗

And how many sprogs does he have??!

431597 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to this is my username, #271 of 1890 🔗

Time he had the snip then.

430136 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to this is my username, 6, #272 of 1890 🔗

What incredibly short memories all these ideologues and activists seem to have.

430125 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 6, #273 of 1890 🔗

From lockdown to letdown.

430128 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PatrickF, 4, #274 of 1890 🔗

Back to shakedown in the spring. Have no worries. They will message LD 4 using ‘SAGE’ shit to justify the hysteria.

430405 ▶▶▶ Covidiot, replying to FerdIII, 5, #275 of 1890 🔗

It isn’t the summer we need to worry about, it’s next winter. Seems to me we’ll have a reprieve for about 3 months before some other seasonal variant or disease is found, if not this year, the next

The precedent is the problem.

430127 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 23, #276 of 1890 🔗

I don’t watch the broadcasts. I don’t have time to give to the fascistic covitheatre, and if I did I would use it to do something else. So I haven’t seen Johnson on film for months.

But in the stills I see of him now he looks no longer comic but criminal. Hancock similarly. They have the look of war criminals.

430131 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Ovis, 7, #277 of 1890 🔗

It just needs bars to complete the picture.

430149 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 7, #278 of 1890 🔗

And hemp.
What they makes ropes of.

430133 Eddy16, replying to Eddy16, 29, #279 of 1890 🔗

How can Merseyside Police just apologise and think that makes it all right? It wasn’t a slip of the tongue. It was a campaign. The Chief Constable has to resign, surely?

430138 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Eddy16, 13, #280 of 1890 🔗

Somebody designed and produced the poster – which means it was commissioned, surely, by someone else. Therefore it cannot have been an oversight.

430142 ▶▶ l835, replying to Eddy16, 9, #281 of 1890 🔗

Would it work the other way round? Could I get away with displaying a poster which was incorrect and misleading by saying sorry?

430153 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Eddy16, 7, #282 of 1890 🔗

You’d think someone with such abhorrent judgement could never become a police chief!

I’m also sick of top civil servants getting away with “unlawful” acts when they are blatant crimes. Trying to trick people into thinking free speech is a crime is a crime, its fraud!

430156 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Eddy16, 8, #283 of 1890 🔗

He is Muslim isn’t he. So no resignations. No blowback. Just knee bending.

430134 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 18, #284 of 1890 🔗

For gods’ sake.

If it’s not Carry on Carrie, it’s Sinister Academic GuEsswork.

As a commenter at the Terrorgraph has said:

“It’s just so depressing. Weak government, over ambitious scientists, compliant media and, worst of all, the public love being dominated.”

430437 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Katabasis, 3, #285 of 1890 🔗

Yep, strong masochistic streak in the great British public.

430696 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to JohnB, 1, #286 of 1890 🔗


430135 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 18, #287 of 1890 🔗

We have an awful lot of jabs here in the UK already. If it’s “no jab no job” then what about all the others?! Why just covid? I would rather have covid than any of these things! Sometimes I feel like pointing out these glaringly obvious contradictions and lunacies are the only way of getting through to people.

Hepatitis B
Haemophilus influenzae type b
Whooping cough
Meningococcal group B
Meningococcal group C
Human papillomavirus
Meningitis A/C/W/Y
Hepatitis A

430137 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #288 of 1890 🔗

Pandemrix was “perfectly safe” too.

Until it wasn’t.

430139 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #290 of 1890 🔗

Then get tested twice a week for each one!

430175 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to PatrickF, 2, #291 of 1890 🔗

Yes precisely! I wonder if there is a PCR test for everything?! I know there’s one for pertussis (whooping cough) bacteria (not virus) as it created a completely false pandemic before: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html

430154 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #292 of 1890 🔗

Don’t forget Diarrheoa kills 2 million a year. I have a form of pertussis (whooping cough), bloody infectious and contagious, never had anyone ask me if I was running leaks into my diapers and emanating brown streams, or spreading pertussis…..

430315 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #293 of 1890 🔗

Thanks, I fear I will be sending this sort of thing to an HR department at some point.

430140 flyingjohn, 33, #294 of 1890 🔗

Two conclusions we can draw from last night’s ‘Roadmap’ out of lockdown:

1. Don’t bother with the vaccines because they don’t work.
2. Freedom is only for summer, be prepared for lockdown again next winter.

430141 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 11, #295 of 1890 🔗

Not a roadmap. Just a path to nowhere.

Question for the Vaxxists, the Vaxx fanatics, the ‘scientists’ that they all are…..the entire 80+ population or almost all of it, which is 3.5 million, was Jabbed in the UK by Feb.

Yet according to the (fake) dead totals, the piles of dead 80+ with the Rona keep stacking up. 3300 dead from Rona in the past week, avg age is 80…..Vaxx is supposed to work almost immediately according to Vaxxist propaganda.

So Vaxxists – why the 3300 dead in the past week? And the week before….Or is the vaxx just a load of shyte?

(please refrain from ‘evolving jabberwocky’, ‘variants’, ‘mutations’ and other non-science contradictions of the 2nd law of thermodynamics).

And why the 300 dead from the Vaxx (just the dead which are recorded), and 1000s injured? Isn’t your vaxx ‘safe’? Hmm. No articles on the Vaxx dead and wounded. I wonder why.

430147 ▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 10, #296 of 1890 🔗

The vax may or may not be shite, but the death statistics certainly are. Their corpse lies have put them in an unwinnable bind.

430393 ▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to FerdIII, 1, #297 of 1890 🔗

Indeed! Just checked today’s ONS Weekly Report for England and Wales (w/e 12/2). 5,691 “Covid related” deaths out of 15,354 total deaths. And as usual mostly in 75+ age group. So what conclusion would any reasonable person draw about the vaccines?

430143 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 57, #298 of 1890 🔗

Surely now is the time to set up alternative communities.

My fear, with the horror that is being unleashed is that, as a soon to be ‘second-class citizen’, I will be denied basic services. So, if a water pipe leaks, will the scenario be that the plumber will only attend if he has proof of my having been injected. Also, will the state, having inveigled its sinister way into all our lives, prevent – even further – our ability to operate small businesses with any kind of ease. The ‘Scores on the Doors’ scheme seems to me to be a precursor to something a lot more sinister. How much longer will I be able to operate without a certificate to reassure our customers that we have been injected, for example.

The more this shitshow continues, the more I question absolutely everything and the more I want to extricate myself from the dystopian hell-hole that they have created.

430148 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 18, #299 of 1890 🔗

At this rate doing like the Amish and Orthodox Jews is very attractive. Oddly they have some of the lowest cases & death rates in the US.

430162 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 29, #300 of 1890 🔗

Surely now is the time to set up alternative communities

Yes, sadly, I’m coming to that conclusion.

This is a vaccine scam – that much is clear now, and the huge nagging doubt in my mind is that the purveyors of this site are on onboard with it.

Weather the storm – we can get through. There will be a thriving blackmarket for the non-vaccinated. Eventually the side effects will start coming to the surface …

430618 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TJN, 7, #301 of 1890 🔗

At which point we (ie the unvaxxed) might be the only healthy people left around to actually run Society. Those of us still working age might land up profiting from hugely increased wage rates – as employers strive to find people to fill their jobs. After all – it’s happened before back in history hasn’t it?

430624 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to ElizaP, 3, #302 of 1890 🔗

That’s a frightening, awful thought that has remotely occurred to me … the obvious parallel is in the aftermath of the 1349 Black Death, when the shortage of labourers meant they commanded premium wages and could choose their employers.

431611 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to TJN, 1, #303 of 1890 🔗

But robots are going to do almost everything. They don’t need many of us.

430430 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 3, #304 of 1890 🔗

Surely now is the time to set up alternative communities.

This is very much one of the things The Freedom Network is focussing on, KH.

There will be a hub not too far from you – give it a go ?

430478 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 1, #305 of 1890 🔗

Thanks JB, working on something similar … 😉

430557 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to JohnB, #306 of 1890 🔗

I emailed them over a week ago and have yet to receive a reply!

431204 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Jo, #307 of 1890 🔗

I also emailed them and didn’t receive a reply. Has it died a death?

431868 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kenadams, #308 of 1890 🔗

They are very busy – there are now 180 local hubs, including some in USA, S Africa, N Zealand, and Canada.

430144 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #309 of 1890 🔗

One of the advantages of not having a telly is not having to watch the abomination that is Johnson and his press conferences. The clown does love the sound of his own voice.

As for a “roadmap” what “roadmap”?? It’s nothing of the sort, more like a roadmap towards our complete annihilation.

This is what I thought when I read the so-called “roadmap” ATL, how many people will now wake up when they realise that their lives and jobs are totally destroyed and gone?

430193 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #310 of 1890 🔗

He seems very full of himself again. Sadly the so called vaccine roll out has won over some of the mp’s who were voting against him before the new variant was rolled out. The bit I managed to endure yesterday included IDS drooling over the vaccine roll out. Rather depressing.

Sadly only a handful of Tory mp’s are going to bat for those of us who see no need to have chemicals injected into the body, for a virus unlikely to hurt us.

I have done a little survey of clients and friends who work in the NHS and they all have said almost without exception those middle aged people who have really struggled to bop this virus are obese or with pre existing condition. If I was 75 and still healthy I would still fancy my chances of bopping this virus, without needing extra chemical infusion.

The individual knows their own body and medical history better than the state.

430222 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nottingham69, 11, #311 of 1890 🔗

Exactly and its really odd how they’re constantly pushing the vaccine when the best cure for ailments such as cold and flu are bed rest, plenty of liquids and paracetamol. And of course prevention via vitamin supplements, a balanced diet and physical activity are much better.

Like I said this has long ago ceased to be about the virus. Agree that the individual knows their body better than anyone else and the Good Body has evoled for millions of years to be able to take care of itself. Why peole have forgotten about this is a mystery.

430279 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #312 of 1890 🔗

A mass media push for collectivism. Tactics we will set the group think. Nothing demonstrates this more than the face muzzling.

I know very few want to wear them, as I have invited hundreds to remove them on arrival for meetings in our offices. Nobody has needed a second invitation so far. They wear them for fear of Patel’s £200 FP’s (few know the law on this) and fear of being chastised by others.

So collective sheep mentality is now very set.

430339 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nottingham69, 2, #313 of 1890 🔗

Yep and I’ve noticed that people now especially the young are scientifically illiterate.

I was chatting with a millenial colleague and her ignorance of the basic workings of the respiratory system was baffling.

430885 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #314 of 1890 🔗

What was she saying?
I have been struck by a lot of innumeracy, resulting in people thinking that far more people have died from the dread contagion than has actually been the case.

430620 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to nottingham69, 2, #315 of 1890 🔗

yep – I’ve always said “I’m the one living in this body – and therefore I know it much better than anyone else will”.

430146 Steeve, 11, #316 of 1890 🔗

So Boris makes out he is identifying with the people by waiting for the hairdressers to open. He doesn’t explain why most premier league footballers don’t have a hair out of place or why a lot of ordinary people are managing rather well.

430150 Brett_McS, replying to Brett_McS, 7, #317 of 1890 🔗

Is the government still giving financial incentives for hospitals to quote Covid as cause of death?

430177 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Brett_McS, 4, #318 of 1890 🔗

You can ask the NHS under FOI. I did. They will redirect you to a specific hospital. The hospital redirected me back to the NHS….so I would guess yes they are. 1000 per CV event. Home Care facilities can claim CV related emergency expenses as well.

430152 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 2, #319 of 1890 🔗

In other interesting news Harvard astrophycisist Avi Loeb has published a book arguing his case that Oumuamua was an alien visitor. Surprisingly the likes of Scientific American haven’t thrown him under the bus.


Now if there was an outside factor that could motivate the world’s governments to engage in massive social changes, Contact would be one of them….

430173 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Katabasis, #320 of 1890 🔗

Related to Bigfoot. Or LochNess. Or Santa.

430178 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Katabasis, 2, #321 of 1890 🔗

“Now if there was an outside factor that could motivate the world’s governments to engage in massive social changes, Contact would be one of them….”

Even if it’s a lie.

430424 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Katabasis, 1, #322 of 1890 🔗

Sadly, they seem to have chosen the insectoid societal model …

430159 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #323 of 1890 🔗

It’s been a long 2 weeks to flatten the curve, do you remember that? Let’s not waste time judging Boris on this, we already know he’s a lying twat. Let’s see what the other 649 do & say.

430166 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #324 of 1890 🔗

Bleat bleat bleat bleat.

430171 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 2, #325 of 1890 🔗

More LD. Baaa. More LD. Baaa….

430165 Annie, 12, #326 of 1890 🔗

One of the staff at my livery stables was angry yesterday because two livery horses had been taken away. Their owners, new to horse ownership, didn’t feel they were getting the support they needed. And they weren’t, because the staff isn’t allowed to give lessons or provide any support.
Apparently freelance instructors can go about giving lessons, but BHS approved centres can’t.
I own a field directly opposite the stables. I said, that was off their premises so why didn’t they give freelance lessons there?
Silence.Staff member walks off.

430168 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #327 of 1890 🔗

Just looked at this Telegraph article linked above the line:


(Behind paywall, but usual trick gets you in.)

It appears to make some very bold claims for ‘vaccines’. Quotes:

Tens of millions have received the AstraZeneca jab in the UK and India without meaningful side-effects beyond minor – and desirable – signs of an immune reaction. Yet frontline health workers in Germany, Austria, France, and Spain have convinced themselves that it is doing them real harm, and that it is also ineffective.

No matter that the data pouring in from the UK’s mass vaccination campaign has beaten expectations. It has demonstrated near total efficacy against death and serious disease, protecting the elderly as presumed, and all without meaningful side-effects.

.. and the DT can’t spell ‘prevalent’.

430170 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 10, #328 of 1890 🔗

Hundreds dead in the UK. Thousands injured. And it can take months or years for injuries to become apparent. Telegraph is propaganda. Why would I, with 99.7% effective immune system, be forced to take RNA+aborted fetal tissue+mercury+phosophate+other junk? What is the point of it?

430185 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to FerdIII, 4, #329 of 1890 🔗

Your submission gives Johnson a stiffy. That’s the point.

Oh, and presumably quite a lot of taxpayers’ money is ‘spent’ in the process.

430286 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Basileus, #330 of 1890 🔗

Doesn’t it cross his mind that there might also be a nocebo type effect in COVID-19. Isn’t a bit schizophrenic to think this is only a thing with vaccines.

431692 ▶▶ mariehelene, replying to Basileus, #331 of 1890 🔗

Basileus, what’s the usual trick to get past the paywall? I’ve stopped my trial and can’t get to read the DT articles now! Thanks for letting me onto the secret!

430172 DomTaylor, 24, #332 of 1890 🔗

Nothing makes doubt the safety of Coronavirus vaccines that the fanatical attempt to suppress and criminalise those who question them.
Noting makes me regard Professor Fergusson with more contempt than his response to reasoned academic argument with juvenile allegations of ‘misinformation’ and links to a conspiracy theorist handbook.

430174 Will, replying to Will, 11, #333 of 1890 🔗

Can someone confirm the findings of the Scottish study that found the massive fall in hospitalisation rates. How did they ascertain that the reason for the fall is the jabs and not the virus dying out in the community? Do they have a control of elderly vulnerable people who haven’t had the jab and who ended up in hospital?

430181 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 8, #334 of 1890 🔗

‘Control group’? You do realise that’s a give-away phrase that proves you have been looking at the wrong Facebook pages?

Nadine Dorries will issue a statement shortly: ‘There is no such thing as a control group.’ Marianna Spring will fact check, and yay verily it will be true. Controls were never part of the scientific method.

430224 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Will, 7, #335 of 1890 🔗

As an antidote to the MSM screaming of the 95% success this is a more sober comment.


The study did NOT end after day 34 (five weeks after vaccination). And guess what? HOSPITALIZATIONS BEGAN TO RISE AGAIN. And not a little, either. By six weeks out the vaccines were less than 50% effective – and even their “adjustments” could only get the figure to 58%..

First off, they didn’t find an 85% decrease in hospitalizations even after adjusting for age and preexisting conditions. It was 69%. To get 85% they ran a hocus-pocus they called an “inverse propensity adjustment.” Bully for you if you know what that is.

430284 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 1, #336 of 1890 🔗

Thank you Swedenborg, I had a feeling it was complete bollocks.

430182 Basileus, 14, #337 of 1890 🔗

Review of scientific reports of harms caused by face masks, up to February 2021

It is a testimony to the power of propaganda, institutional capture, and the desire to
socially conform that masking of the general population has successfully been imposed
during the COVID-19 era. The harms from this imposition are palpable, and potentially
long-term and gargantuan, not the least of which is the psychological training of the
public to comply with an absurd measure that has direct personal negative impact. I
review the mounting evidence of the obvious: Universal masking harms people and
society, without any detectable benefit.

430184 nottingham69, 15, #338 of 1890 🔗

In response to the comment from the guy engaging with Ferguscum, remember this was the guy who fed his media chums the comment that children may be more vulnerable to the Chinese Coronavirus variant, picked up in Kent. No evidence was presented to back that up but it led to the left wing co-ordinated campaign to shut schools for the winter.

For this he deserves total contempt. He knew full well what he was doing there I heard the interview. A real slimeball this lad. Of course the government should ignore his findings totally but follow the money.

430187 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #339 of 1890 🔗

So the closing of various hospitality and gathering places has been the coercion. To get the jab and be able to enter these premises, the dream of domestic ID, as has been the EU plan for years, is the ‘hope’ and couldnt have been done without this carrot. Vaccinating the children is also to persuade parents who dont take up the offer that their children will want to go places they wont be able to take them. People who think this is ok, should realise where the segregation comes in, also that the longed for holidays will be easily rationed using their ID for their sustainable world.

431098 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to DanClarke, 1, #340 of 1890 🔗

that, and a depopulation agenda plus getting on Bill Gates good side Dan. It was never about “keeping people safe” or about their health – the “virus” was simply the convenient vehicle.

430196 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 18, #341 of 1890 🔗

Mathematical profilers calculate end of lockdown

Professor Thrug of the Trotter institute said that provided the government does not change it’s current policy the lockdown will end in July 2025

Prof Thrug said “We took the original announcement of a three week lockdown and entered that in our computer. We then factored in that the 3 week prediction actually turned out to be 48 weeks

Applying these calculations to the current four month prediction we came up with a figure of an extra 5.3 years of lockdown

430245 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Cecil B, #342 of 1890 🔗

Cecil – you are such a logician!

430197 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #343 of 1890 🔗

The most depressing update for weeks.

I will say this, the Letter from the Philippines is what Zero Covid looks like. That’s is, ritualised child abuse and permanent state control of your life. If you come across these maniacs, get angry. They are coming for everything you hold dear.

430216 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #344 of 1890 🔗

Indeed. Whenever I get angry, which is pretty much all the time, I am told to “calm down” But if this horror does not stir popele to anger, I do wonder what the hell will.

430252 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 4, #345 of 1890 🔗

I’m hopping mad this morning – not least with today’s post.

Children are learning some new words – yesterday my 5-yr-old asked mummy what ‘bloody’ means, which is the least of what I’ve been saying. I shudder to think what she says in school – I’m pretty sure she tells the others that Johnson is a liar. And I do wonder if she’s said anything about the stupid people in masks – i.e. the parents outside the school.

430262 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 3, #346 of 1890 🔗

Ha ha … how did Mrs TJN deal with that?

430274 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 3, #347 of 1890 🔗

Blames me.

430316 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to TJN, 3, #348 of 1890 🔗

Same here. The child says that the government is stupid, even wrote a letter to BoJo telling him how stupid he is

430359 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Victoria, 3, #349 of 1890 🔗

They’ll go far!

430254 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 1, #350 of 1890 🔗

… or *people* even!

430343 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #351 of 1890 🔗

It’s funny because all the home services are still allowed. So going into malls and offices have these restrictions. Yet you can get your food delivered, get you haircut and have a massage with people coming to you instead.

Also there’s no restrictions in the slums. And people still die in the street irrespective of Covid.

I have family there.

430198 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 14, #352 of 1890 🔗

Sadly what is needed is something truly horrific and traumatic on the level of the Floyd incident to force the sheeple to reconsider their blind acceptance.

It will have to be something akin to somebody, who has lost everything due to the lockdowns and fake pandemic, his business, his home, his family and ultimately his mental health, turning up on Westminster Greem and blowing his brains out in front of the world media and TV cameras, to show he had nothing left to live for.

That, at least would get the media talking about what has really happened, and wheee the media lead, the sheep will follow.

430210 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #353 of 1890 🔗

Blowing your brains out is a symptom of Covid, didn’t you know?

430217 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 2, #354 of 1890 🔗

Actually, Annie, I thought being brainless to begin with was. That’s why we have so many apparent believers in the sheeple. They all got infected and dudn’t know it.

431398 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Annie, #355 of 1890 🔗

Reminds me of Noel Coward saying, when someone of whom he had a poor opinion had blown his brains out, “What a remarkably good shot!”

430280 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #356 of 1890 🔗

I have actually considered that. I appear to be too much of a coward.

430429 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Richy_m_99, #357 of 1890 🔗

Death due to covid!

430562 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richy_m_99, #358 of 1890 🔗

Like Raoul Moat.

430750 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #359 of 1890 🔗

A public mass suicide would probably focus minds.

Unfortunately, you can be certain that those poor departed souls would have their search histories published, and the appearance of any visits to sites like this would be enough to brand them poor idiots who succumbed to antivaxx conspiracy theorist right wing hate bigotry.

A new raft of social media crackdowns would be launched, because someone needs to think of the children. Unless your post supports experimental chemical injections, body cavity swab invasions, and gagging with cloth gimp masks for the kiddies. Then you can fill your boots, obvs.

430199 Basics, 4, #360 of 1890 🔗

Putting markers down in conversations with people to help them recall this current batch of lies might help the nation wake up.

Discuss with them what they expect to happen and when of tge back of untrustable boris speech. Hold them to the marker.

Then when these dats are missed changed extended you can clearly take the person back to their own expectations. The autumn lockdown might be a moment to revisit this ladt batch of lies out of boris.

430204 nic, replying to nic, 18, #361 of 1890 🔗

It’s good that Ferguson has started replying to peoples emails etc it is good as we are getting to him ,and he is rattled by the criticism of him.
So keep writing and emailing not only him but other members of SAGE put the heat on the Bastards , let them feel like we feel , fearful for the future.

430282 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nic, 6, #362 of 1890 🔗

Publishing it just legitimizes him. This site has been compromised.

430206 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 61, #363 of 1890 🔗

Today’s blackboard:


Three weeks to flatten the curve;
Then summer;
Then Christmas;
Then February;
Now June …

And you still think this is about a virus?

It isn’t, it’s about CONTROL.

430234 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 5, #364 of 1890 🔗

Great board!!!

430238 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Victoria, 4, #365 of 1890 🔗

Yes, great – maybe add a massive WAKE UP on the end.

430240 ▶▶ iane, replying to kh1485, 15, #366 of 1890 🔗

Blackboard Lines Matter!

430774 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to kh1485, 5, #367 of 1890 🔗

Today’s Special: Government Shit Sandwich

“A thin layer of semi-free summer months pressed between generous slices of hopeless financial destruction and a future of endless bullying until you take your weekly injections.”

Serving Suggestion – you asked for it, you choke on it.

430845 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #368 of 1890 🔗

I can just see the goosed dowager duchess-type looks if I put that on!

431269 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to kh1485, 1, #369 of 1890 🔗

Do it! 😀

430207 Norman, replying to Norman, 9, #370 of 1890 🔗

Ah, Stefan Lewandowsky, the psychologist responsible for the 97% of scientists global warming claim which turned out to be, actually, a handful of climate scientists who had mentioned an anthropogenic cause for the warming in their papers. He really has a bee in his bonnet about scientific scepticism and has managed to rebrand it all as conspiracy theory.

430525 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Norman, 3, #371 of 1890 🔗

They seem to be a cabal. You always see roads leading back to the same place.. Not suprised to learn thus

430211 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 41, #372 of 1890 🔗

We are being manipulated again by the behavioural “scientists” who said back in March 2020 that we did not feel sufficiently threatened by the virus, so they brought in a hard hitting campaign which succeeded in terrifying a majority of people.

When lockdown lifted in June, many were too frightened to go back to the shops so the British Retail Consortium pushed for masks to be worn. Hancock himself admitted that it was to make people feel safe.

Testing in secondary schools and mask wearing in classrooms (something that Boris described as a ridiculous idea) is being brought in to make parents feel safer about sending their children to school.

The “road map” is “them” giving “us” permission to go back to living our lives as normal. Many of us have been doing exactly that for many months now as best we can under the “rules” but most have been waiting for the government to tell them that it is safe to do so.

Just the threat of no jab, no job or foreign travel is enough to make many people have the experimental (but safe) vaccine.

Manipulation, manipulation, manipulation. I’m sick of being treated like an idiot. I will decide for myself the level of risk that I am willing to take.

430231 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Margaret, 20, #373 of 1890 🔗

Testing in secondary schools and mask wearing in classrooms (something that Boris described as a ridiculous idea) is being brought in to make parents feel safer about sending their children to school.


The reason is control

Do not allow your child to get tested and do not allow your child to wear masks in school – both are ‘recommended’ only.

430239 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 11, #374 of 1890 🔗

When lockdown lifted in June, many were too frightened to go back to the shops so the British Retail Consortium pushed for masks to be worn. Hancock himself admitted that it was to make people feel safe.

The BRC deserve everything they will get when physical retail goes in the way of the Dodo. And also do they not realise that part of the reason why people didn’t go back into the shops is due to rising unemployment and bankruptcy rates? How will you spend if you don’t have the money or finances are tight?

430256 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #375 of 1890 🔗

and many others like us do not visit shops due to the draconian and unfair mask enforcement discriminating against people with disabilities

430276 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 8, #376 of 1890 🔗

Count me in with that. Have very rarely visited shops when they were open and I refuse to give them my money if they actively discriminate against people with disabilities.

430518 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Victoria, 5, #377 of 1890 🔗

Agree. [pre-2020] I was one of those that actually enjoyed shopping, just walking around & browsing, & it’s one of the things I kinda miss.
However if you see a business actively discriminating, eg. ‘no mask no entry’ or similar, report them to trading standards (can do it online via the Citizens advice bureau). Whether it has any effect or not, who knows. at the very least it might make them think.

430626 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #378 of 1890 🔗

Now wondering about that organic farm shop – Glebelands – near St Dogmaels, Ceredigion. He was all on it demanding masks on customers before it became mandatory in this part of the country. Hmm….wonder where the nearest trading standards office is….

431111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to ElizaP, 1, #379 of 1890 🔗

In my local veg shop yesterday – sign on door “only 2 people allowed in shop at any time [they have 3-4 staff circulating though] customers must wear mask to be permitted to enter. If you have no mask we can sell you one for £1.00” [a disposable mask that costs about 10p if bought in bulk]. Voted with my feet. Won’t be back.

430590 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #380 of 1890 🔗

Well, that backfired quickly, did it not. Was it about 70% less footfall in town and cities after mncs were introduced in shops?

430680 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 1, #381 of 1890 🔗

Indeed it did backfire and when it was extended to supermarkets, the same happened.

430212 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #382 of 1890 🔗


NZ.Zero Covid land. Further 3 cases in community all connected with a case earlier in a High School.That school was already earlier totally screened. Now they have to do it again. Interesting to read between the lines in the report. Discussing language problems in school and patience with people not responding to telephone calls. It sounds diplomatic at this stage but the step from zerocovid society to fierce xenophobic reaction is very thin.

430228 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to swedenborg, 4, #383 of 1890 🔗

My relatives in Wellington are completely on board with the isolation, maybe until it affects them, but ‘the family have been moved to an isolation unit’ is the stuff of nightmares.

430235 ▶▶ iane, replying to swedenborg, 3, #384 of 1890 🔗

I wonder how things will go when Winter arrives in upside-downland!?

430242 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to swedenborg, 13, #385 of 1890 🔗

I like this bit:

‘Kmart’s Botany store was closed around 5.30pm today for deep cleaning.
Shoppers said a sign was now hanging on the store’s door, saying it had been closed for cleaning after a confirmed case of Covid.
One shopper said he and his partner were walking in the store when a staff member stopped them at the door.
“He said: ‘You need to get out,” he said.
“We looked behind him and staff were putting masks on or had already put masks on.”
The shopper said another lady came out of the store just after them. She had been at the checkout but was told to “drop everything and get out now”.’

It’s insane more like the exorcist or something. The store has been infected by the evil Covid and needs dousing with the holy water. Staff members told shoppers to get out now and donned crucifixes and prepared for battle with evil.

430297 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Dan L, 2, #386 of 1890 🔗

Its weird although I speak to relatives in NZ on an irregular basis they come out with some odd stuff, like at the beginning about the ‘mass graves’. They seem terrified and are quite willing for families to be carted off to ‘isolation units’. They keep asking in hushed tones how we are ‘coping’

430411 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to DanClarke, 8, #387 of 1890 🔗

They have been subjected to intense lies from their media. They have been told we have overflowing morgues and that people are literally dropping dead in the street. This is how you know it has absolutely nothing to do with a virus: each of the Western countries is using the same tactics to promote completely irrational fear.

430495 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #388 of 1890 🔗

Dark Winter approaches

430225 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 8, #389 of 1890 🔗

A very nice free puff piece for the govt census above but forgive me if I don’t get too excited. What is ‘good’ for the govt. planners is not really very high on my list of priorities just now.

Very rarely I find anything govt planners decide coincides which is actually good for me so I remain indifferent.

I appreciate that makes me somewhat of a dissident but after what has happened over the last 11 months is it really surprising?

430249 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #390 of 1890 🔗

I don’t do any official forms online – you cannot press send unless you answered all the questions and include details such as telephone number

430270 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 4, #391 of 1890 🔗

I don’t mind giving my phone number to the world 0123456789 I can’t tell you the number of calls I get. As for all the junk to my address on the moon, could probably fill the space station. But I never get spam, because i don’t give out my email.

430409 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, #392 of 1890 🔗

Need another digit on the phone number, AS. 01234 567890. 🙂

430630 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Victoria, #393 of 1890 🔗

Lots of forms demand your phoneline number. I’ve found it often works to put in random numbers, eg the exchange number, then 000000 instead of one’s own personal number.

430275 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #394 of 1890 🔗

I’m tempted to do like the Women’s Freedom League with the 1911 census and boycott it:


430333 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #395 of 1890 🔗

The social contract is broken and until it is restored, for good, I won’t be playing any of their games including voting and completing forms accurately….

431116 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to concrete68, 1, #396 of 1890 🔗

what is the point of voting now anyway if it means that you get this as a result?

430484 ▶▶ davews, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #397 of 1890 🔗

The little card that came in yesterday’s post indicated I would get a census pack in the post shortly. Which seems to suggest that paper returns are possible. I remember last time although I got a form, delivered by a nice man, I did fill it all in online.

430631 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to davews, #398 of 1890 🔗

I’ve just had one this morning.

430599 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #399 of 1890 🔗

As I am kind of looking for a job, I am on indeed most days.
Months ago they recruited for census workers to start in Feb, now they look for people to start end of April and even May. Several positions, some are enforcers. The criteria are quite scary.

430801 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, #400 of 1890 🔗

The criteria are quite scary.

And they are … ?

430226 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #401 of 1890 🔗

3 months or so in, 30% at least still refusing. The front line. Clap for them


430776 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #402 of 1890 🔗

If it’s in the press you can get the actual number is probably twice that many…

431118 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #403 of 1890 🔗

Free Derry corner has just taken on a whole new meaning!!!

430227 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 17, #404 of 1890 🔗

So, they openly revert back to their conclusions a year ago, that like flu Covid, for most of the population, is a mild disease – section 196. So by that admission the GBD would be an appropriate measure, not continuing to impose damaging restrictions on 99% of the population. What madness, why is the useless CRG not banging on the drum about this and questioning why we have been told for a year now deadly this is, and now they admit it is a mild disease but continue with measures akin to dealing with a disease with 40% mortality.

430230 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hattie, 9, #405 of 1890 🔗

CRG have been utterly pathetic

430232 Dartford44, replying to Dartford44, 28, #406 of 1890 🔗

As a semi retired teacher the idea of students having to wear masks is child abuse.The damage this will cause is intolerable.
Before lockdown when I was working,masks were worn outside classrooms.Kids wore them so all you could see only there eyes,were continally chewing,and were swearing at you.It was very difficult to see what they were doing.
Then you had the student who was so nervous wearing one.This will come back to haunt us all.Total madness.

430236 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dartford44, 1, #407 of 1890 🔗

They’ll develop a vaccine for all the disorders this creates in our kids no doubt.

430244 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dartford44, 9, #408 of 1890 🔗

Agree it is child abuse

Do not allow your child to wear a mask in the classroom.

In addition, their brains will be starved from oxygen – they will get low grade brain damage and they will never reach their potential

430233 alw, replying to alw, 11, #409 of 1890 🔗

I GET regular letters and emails from Matt Hancock informing me that I am ‘clinically extremely vulnerable’. Normally I bin them, but the latest email was amusing insofar as it claimed lockdown had reduced deaths this February.

So I decided to write to him as follows:”


430258 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 2, #410 of 1890 🔗


430241 Mark, replying to Mark, 24, #411 of 1890 🔗


Telling clip on Fox News of Tucker Carson interviewing leftist Naomi Wolf, about the move from the left to remove NY governor Cuomo’s emergency powers. The counter-attack in that state has to come from the left, because NY is a leftist political fiefdom, like so many of our own major cities. These “donkey constituency” leftists are in many cases, like Cuomo, engaged in a power grab that Wolf correctly describes as similar to Italian Fascism in its coordination with corporate wealth and the emergency power grab methods employed.

What is said about the US applies, mutatis mutandis, to the UK just as much.

Tucker’s comment about seeing people as individuals rather than partisan representatives is absolutely correct, obviously, but there is a danger that this, combined with the views expressed at the end: “I’m starting to think that we’re being divided as a country precisely so we don’t have conversations like this”, will tend to lead people towards the infantile idea that is commonly adopted, that because individuals differ, there is “no difference” between right and left.

Individuals’ views are indeed not regimented. There are opponents of the ongoing transformation on both sides, and there are authoritarians on both sides. But the drive is coming from the political left, and it is backed by corporate wealth and power because those in positions of corporate power are either leftist themselves or pretending to be such for self-interested reasons.

It’s not the left that is being systematically excluded from the public square by “hate speech” censorship and corporate cancel culture, it is the conservative right. The ideas of the right – small government, fiscal responsibility, traditional freedoms, national sovereignty and patriotism, preference to small business, traditional religious morality etc, are being actively suppressed and in many cases demonised as bigotry, racism, religious extremism etc.

The ideas of the left are driving the ideas of medical emergency fascism – big government, collectivism especially in healthcare (in our country, open NHS worship), funding by unlimited state money “creation” (ultimately, taxation whether directly or via inflation), radicalism for the Greater Good.

It’s not chance that the UK “Conservative” Party leadership finds itself in full alliance with the left of the Labour Party on this medico-fascist emergency power grab (as witnessed by the recent “zero-covid” declaration by the left Labour group of MPs that includes Corbyn. The “Conservative” Party hierarchy are mostly personally committed to most of the ideals of the elite left.

Ultimately the modern political left is a vehicle for elite power, against populist power, a reversal of the situation a hundred years ago, and those who are committed to the ideals of the anti-elite left need to understand that, and either find ways to create small government parties and organisations for the left anew, or switch to populist right parties, which now stand for liberty and for the excluded. Trump represented the excluded “deplorables” in the US, and the failure of the organised left there to understand and address that needs to be taken on board by those who still think that the organised left deserves their support.

The UK “Conservatives” are not the UK equivalent of Trump, and do not represent the “deplorables” here, abandoned by the Labour Party long ago. There is no such mainstream representation here, and it needs to be created.

430261 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 9, #412 of 1890 🔗

It’s not left or right. It’s not “driven by the left”. It’s elitism and psychological manipulation via the mainstream media driving it.

As mentioned above the line today, people are beginning to realise that while they may have pushed for leftist policies their whole life, they are not part of the gang. They are just a means to en end. So what does that stir in such an individual. Where do they go from there? Maybe they just retire emotionally and watch the shit show with a degree of wonder. As George Carlin came to realise way ahead of thr curve


Adam Curtis did a recent podcast with Russell Brand on this very dynamic. Trying to theorise what will grow to replace the left v right dialectic. Worth listening to it. It could be quite dark times indeed that we are heading to.

430293 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #413 of 1890 🔗

It’s not left or right. It’s not “driven by the left”. It’s elitism and psychological manipulation via the mainstream media driving it .”

It is elitism and it is driven by the left. That is the key point to understand.

Thomas Frank on Anti-Populism’s Surprising History
There are those on the left who resist, as there are those on the right who collaborate (though mostly those are people on the “right”, such as “Conservative” Party MPs who vote to “save the NHS” and spend unlimited money to protect collectivised healthcare, but put no real pressure on to end mass immigration or to stop “hate speech” harassment of traditionalists and conservatives, etc.

430485 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 7, #414 of 1890 🔗

If I think of myself as ‘on the left’ am I happy that such policies are now front and centre? Or as a mere mortal can I see how the whole ideology has been co opted by the same elites that I fought against? That, this time, the ladder really is being pulled up as we cannot be trusted. That’s where it breaks down. People do not have the power they think they do. It’s a facade, even here, so what does that say for places like the Philippines?

Charles Walker MP made a speech to outline his position against lockdowns and he warned about something darker in the shadows. That will stay with me. I believe he knows what has happened and there is a price we will all now pay for not being attentive to the elite takeover

430305 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #415 of 1890 🔗

Same Adam Curtis who made hypernormalisation?? That was so eye opening! If you haven’t seen it and haven’t deleted iPlayer (I have) – go find it. Tucked away in iPlayer for 5 years… someone wants to make sure it stays accessible! Also avail on YouTube I think.

430351 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #416 of 1890 🔗

The new series from him on BBC is also excellent..7 pat ,about 8 hours of it..Plus the Trap explains all about brainwashing there are using..

430489 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #417 of 1890 🔗

The same. He’s an armchair commentator, looking to provoke thought. I like that. Always makes you question your perspectives

430266 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Mark, 2, #418 of 1890 🔗

An interesting post – and coming from the true conservative genre I find it persuasive. Would be interested to hear other views.

430345 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to TJN, #419 of 1890 🔗

You are lockdown sceptical but find this nonsense persuasive because it fits your own political narrative. It is nonsense on sticks just branding everything you don’t like as left wing.

430358 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to concrete68, 3, #420 of 1890 🔗

I said I would listen to other views. Your post isn’t an argument.

I don’t like big government, which one way or anther, and rightly or wrongly, is associated with the left. And right now we have the biggest government conceivable (so far).

430350 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 8, #421 of 1890 🔗

No more Left/Right – you plebs have 2 choices

The Neo Liberal woke Party of Davos (blue team)
The Neo Liberal ultra woke Party of Davos (red team)

430251 alw, replying to alw, 18, #422 of 1890 🔗

No to masks for children.

430259 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 4, #423 of 1890 🔗

Great poster.

Will distribute

430301 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to alw, 4, #424 of 1890 🔗

We need one urgently to protect children from being injected with experimental drugs. Talk of administering this to children is CHILLING!!

430302 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #425 of 1890 🔗

Maybe it’s part of the psy op to keep us scared, though! They can’t actually legally give this shit to children can they?!

430391 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #426 of 1890 🔗

All they need is parental compliance.

430385 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to alw, 1, #427 of 1890 🔗

Have just put 2 on my car windows. This is the kind of action we need.

430253 Kaffirharbin, replying to Kaffirharbin, 8, #428 of 1890 🔗

I need 5 signatures to get this off the ground – so please sign!

Click this link to sign the petition:

My petition:

Ensure that there are no new lockdowns.

To debate whether the UK government should enshrine in law the right of the healthy population not to be subject to quarantines and mask-wearing orders for a public health challenge of the type posed by COVID-19.

Because there is clear evidence that firstly lockdowns do not work – evidenced by around 30 scientific reports examining the comparative effects of different states of lockdown. And secondly because the social and economic damage of lockdown restrictions are greater than any benefit that can be identified from those restrictions.

430281 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Kaffirharbin, 1, #429 of 1890 🔗

That’s 1.

430287 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Kaffirharbin, 1, #430 of 1890 🔗


430299 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Kaffirharbin, 1, #431 of 1890 🔗


430354 ▶▶ Kaffirharbin, replying to Kaffirharbin, 1, #432 of 1890 🔗

Thanks guys – with your help – I’m there. Obviously now have the real hurdle as it will need governmental approval to publish. We can all guess how that will likely go 😣

430492 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Kaffirharbin, #433 of 1890 🔗


431143 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Kaffirharbin, #434 of 1890 🔗

well done!!! – just clicked the link and it says you have your 5 – can you post a link again when it has been checked so that we can all go there to start signing up? Good luck!

430255 alw, replying to alw, 9, #435 of 1890 🔗
  • “COVID-19 “vaccines” do not impart immunity or inhibit transmissibility of the disease. In other words, they are not designed to keep you from getting sick with SARS-CoV-2; they only are supposed to lessen your infection symptoms if or when you get infected. As such, these products do not meet the medical definition of a vaccine
  • As of February 4, 2021, the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has received 12,697 injury reports following COVID-19 vaccination and 653 deaths
  • University of Oxford, which is collaborating on a COVID-19 vaccine with AstraZeneca, is now enrolling children between the ages of 6 years and 17 years and 8 months in their U.K. vaccine trial
  • Moderna started testing its RNA-based gene therapy on American children between the ages of 12 and 17 in December 2020, and the first Pfizer trials involving adolescents began in mid-October 2020. In China, Sinovac and SinoPharm trials have been enrolling children as young as 3
  • Children do not need a COVID-19 vaccine as they are at extremely low risk of severe COVID-19 and are not a significant vector of infection”


430257 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 1, #436 of 1890 🔗

great article

430263 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #437 of 1890 🔗

Sage are saying that if “we end lockdown too early, blah,blah,etc,etc” it will result in an extra 91,000 deaths.
Not 80,000, or 90,000 or 100,000.
Not that that figure came from a computer algorithm or printout, did it?, really, Sage aught to get out more, no, on second thoughts, put Sage under permanent lockdown for ever.

430265 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #438 of 1890 🔗

If we had someone other than a puppet running this country they would tell Sage where to go.

430277 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 1, #439 of 1890 🔗

Thanks, Dan.
I meant to say ought and not aught by the way.

430264 tarfu, replying to tarfu, 18, #440 of 1890 🔗

Everybody has to “play their part” to meet the dates for England’s lockdown to be eased, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has warned.
Translation: If you don’t do as you’re told like good little children then we will prolong this Lockdown for as long as we like.

430269 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to tarfu, 6, #441 of 1890 🔗

The number of people parrotting this. Yet they’re unable to give us a benefit of the last year of following the rules.

430267 Lucan Grey, 13, #442 of 1890 🔗

“She was acutely aware of what she had been denied for the sake of keeping her ‘safe’. ”

The last year has been nothing to do with keeping old people safe, any more than donkey sancturies are about keeping donkey’s safe.

It’s all about those who run the donkey sancturies. The donkeys are just a convenient mechanism by which certain individuals can exert power over others. “What about the donkeys” they cry.

And while we continue to appease such people, the beatings will continue. As ever appeasement doesn’t work.

430268 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 10, #443 of 1890 🔗

My Dad is from an island off the north west coast of Ireland. I see a report in the Irish Times (paywall) that the “vaccines” have arrived on the island and the locals (mainly retired as there is no employment in the area) are “excited” to get jabbed.

I reckon the priest on the island will be busy over the next year and more of the houses will become empty.

430402 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Ewan Duffy, #444 of 1890 🔗

Would that be Arranmore Island?

430470 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jb12, #445 of 1890 🔗

Rathlin?Have some loose family connection there myself. Great spot.

430520 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to jb12, #446 of 1890 🔗


431061 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Ewan Duffy, #447 of 1890 🔗

Ah, cool. My grandmother and all her family were born there; some moved to Scotland, some N. America, and one stayed there. I hear it is much different to how it was even 20 years ago when I last visited.

430271 nickbowes, 6, #448 of 1890 🔗

It has been about the children all along.

430272 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 11, #449 of 1890 🔗

This morning I read the email by Neil Ferguson and he does come across as someone who suffers from the ‘certainty principle ‘ which I came across in the book Risk,living with uncertainty. Basically if your an expert in something your certain your right even if there’s evidence that disagrees with your point of view. For example Neil Ferguson never mentions anything about immunity and what part that plays in infections. If he’d factored immunity into his model he would have discovered covid would only cause a quarter of the deaths his model was predicting. Science is about questioning your own theories and not just seeking evidence that supports your point of view. It’s opposite to the usual way of thinking but it has enabled us humans to reach the star’s when you diverge from science you get the horrors of the final solution.

430278 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Derek Toyne, 11, #450 of 1890 🔗

The most important fact is that Ferguson cannot model Sweden accurately.

Even climate change models are expected to fit the data from the past.

430304 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #451 of 1890 🔗

My mother used to call that stubborn and pig headed

430320 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #452 of 1890 🔗

Models cannot even replicate known historical climate fluctuations (Younger Dryas, Medieval Warm Period, Little Ice Age spring to mind) why on earth would anyone pay anything more than a cursory glance at what they spew out about a virus

430461 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #453 of 1890 🔗

The models can’t Predict sun spot activity so it makes them null and void.

430283 DanClarke, 16, #454 of 1890 🔗

Billions Gates will continue pumping his billions into this country. Its no coincidence that much of the momentum for this is coming from the UK, with Blair and his Foundation advertised on Billions Foundation site and the Imperial College (SAGE) getting millions in grants from the same source. And then we have the BBC and the msm…..

430288 pvenkman, replying to pvenkman, 5, #455 of 1890 🔗

Apparently even pants down is saying we could go faster.

430292 ▶▶ Will, replying to pvenkman, 4, #456 of 1890 🔗

Maybe we have turned him!?!?!

430314 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to pvenkman, 4, #457 of 1890 🔗

Will he ever lift his head from Tier 69?

430289 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 17, #458 of 1890 🔗

So on 31st March MPs will be voting on the “temporary” Covid Act which gives them dictatorial powers. Anybody else think this act will be about as temporary as Income Tax, that 200 year old “temporary” tax?

430296 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #459 of 1890 🔗

We MUST campaign immediately and urgently!

430294 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #460 of 1890 🔗

Right… new thought… are there any actual UK laws on being a “conscientious objector”? If you could avoid going to war on grounds you refused to kill or be killed, and you could show you had a history of having this belief, can we all become COs because we have a history of “covid realism” – in that, we accept there is a respiratory virus that causes bad symptoms in certain people, but that we object to the suggestion it is spread asymptomatically or that the general population needs an experimental “vaccine” for protection against it when there is ample evidence for protection via natural immunity?

430300 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #461 of 1890 🔗

I could be a ‘vaccine objector’, always refused the flu jab..

430311 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #462 of 1890 🔗

I’ve developed a sudden and deathly allergy to polyethelyne glycol and anyone forcing me to have the jab will be complicit in my murder.
Should do the trick

430360 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #463 of 1890 🔗

You are pro choice. My body, my choice.

430298 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 35, #464 of 1890 🔗

I didn’t watch Boris’s announcement. I can only stomach so much propaganda. But I gather my freedoms are about to be restored, and I should be very happy. Apparently my freedoms consist entirely of the right to sit on a park bench with one other person. It was only this morning that I discovered that in return they want masks to be required in schools, even in classrooms and I’ve never felt more tempted to look for a new job. I really can’t bear the thought of having to teach like this. What makes these idiots imagine it is normal, and a small sacrifice, to have to interact with people for weeks on end without being able to look at their faces? It’s done, apparently, not because there’s some medical imperative but “to offer greater reassurance”. I don’t know where this leaves me. The fact that so many have accepted the premise that this sort of thing is “a small price to pay” or a “low cost measure” is what has got us into this position and I won’t allow the government to exercise such an arbitrary power over me. But I’ve no idea how the school plans to enforce it. I haven’t, at any point, worn a mask and I haven’t asked a pupil to wear one either. It’s not a principle I’m prepared to break. I keep coming back to G. K. Chesterton, who would have dated these lockdowns:

All injustice begins in the mind. And anomalies accustom the mind to the idea of unreason and untruth. Suppose I had by some prehistoric law the power of forcing every man in Battersea to nod his head three times before he got out of bed. The practical politicians might say that this power was a harmless anomaly; that it was not a grievance. It could do my subjects no harm; it could do me no good. The people of Battersea, they would say, might safely submit to it. But the people of Battersea could not safely submit to it, for all that. If I had nodded their heads for them for fifty years I could cut off their heads for them at the end of it with immeasurably greater ease. For there would have permanently sunk into every man’s mind the notion that it was a natural thing for me to have a fantastic and irrational power. They would have grown accustomed to insanity.

430306 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to quodcumque, 6, #465 of 1890 🔗

Great post. Teachers are being put on the front line, not of the ‘War on Covid,’ but of the battle to maintain basic human rights in this country as more than a set of empty platitudes.

430312 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to quodcumque, 7, #466 of 1890 🔗

Also, you will be contributing to the income of Hancock’s mates who have discovered the benefits of having a PPE company

430319 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to quodcumque, 9, #467 of 1890 🔗

Thank you for your courage! We must protect children. The mask wearing is to strip them of humanity and rights so that people see them as objects, as vectors of infectious disease, that must be injected with drugs. I can’t sleep at night. We MUST PROTECT THEM!

430381 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to quodcumque, 2, #468 of 1890 🔗

Well done quodcumque.

I would think there are legal employment protections against being forced to cause people (children) harm.

Worth asking your union for support ?

430754 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 1, #469 of 1890 🔗

Ask the union?? Really? They will say wear two face naps and a face shield, stay safe xx

431200 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to JohnB, #470 of 1890 🔗

Thank you! Sadly I don’t think the welfare of children is high up in the unions’ priorities. If I was saying I shouldn’t be expected to teach, even online, until every last person on the planet has had a vaccine, I think they’d be much more receptive.

430480 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to quodcumque, #471 of 1890 🔗

brilliant quotation, I love it

430303 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #472 of 1890 🔗

Massive Failure of the Green Energy Agenda

Data Shows Wind-Power Was Chief Culprit Of Texas Grid Collapse

430347 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Victoria, #473 of 1890 🔗

Alex Jones is up to speed on this too !

430373 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 1, #474 of 1890 🔗

Is anyone really surprised ?

430527 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 1, #475 of 1890 🔗

No, it was ERCOT requesting permission to add extra power generation (4 GW) to cope with the expected demand during the storm and cold weather and someone taking offline 30 GW of nuclear, gas, coal generation instead.

430308 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 33, #476 of 1890 🔗


430330 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to The Covid Kid, 8, #477 of 1890 🔗

But he’s not running the country, Bill gates is!

430491 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew K, 6, #478 of 1890 🔗

No. He is.

If he chooses to go along with the same agenda as the autistc Gates, and the Tory Party allows him to, then he and fellow Spivs are responsible.

431623 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to RickH, #479 of 1890 🔗

Gates is a psychopath.

430376 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to The Covid Kid, 8, #480 of 1890 🔗

Replace with whom?
another Tory mong?
another Neo Lib stooge??
Collapse is the only way out of this

430759 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, #481 of 1890 🔗

Get Giles Brandredth in, he will sort it out.

430380 ▶▶ Janette, replying to The Covid Kid, 1, #482 of 1890 🔗

Hear hear

430321 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #483 of 1890 🔗

Any attempt by this evil government to sideline the unvaccinated should bring about the full force of the Human Rights Law.

430331 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #484 of 1890 🔗

What law is that exactly? I didn’t know we had any?

430334 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #485 of 1890 🔗


Do not give up. Fight it. Distribute information to HR Departments (see my post above).

430322 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 23, #486 of 1890 🔗

So, we might be entering a two- tiered society. No one here should really be that surprised.
I`m all for “no vacc/non socially distanced shop/pub/café culture”, bring it on !
Think it might possibly do well, Tim Martin for example should come out NOW and say these “covid certificates” will never be mandatory on his premises.
Others will follow.

430329 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to nickbowes, 8, #487 of 1890 🔗

Won’t happen government regulations will force fines on those that don’t comply. Job done.

We can skirt around this though with speakeasy’s. The last vestige of hope is jobs don’t mandate it. We may have enough legal protection here but the last 12 months give me no hope that we do.

430342 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #488 of 1890 🔗

It is a disgrace that this is all happening under a supposedly “Conservative” Government. The only opposition is one or two voices like Harper and Baker.
Yesterday, Labour supporters were “crowdfunding” for a new spine for Starmer, it was doing pretty well last time i looked.

430369 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #489 of 1890 🔗

The bad guys will have succeeded if they have removed hope. Chin up, JH.

430368 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 5, #490 of 1890 🔗

Tim Martin for example should come out NOW and say these “covid certificates” will never be mandatory on his premises.

Yes, he should do, but I don’t think he will.

430378 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 1, #491 of 1890 🔗

Yes along with many others

430839 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 1, #492 of 1890 🔗

He might take a more cautious approach of saying nothing but also not asking anyone for certificates.

431156 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Edward, #493 of 1890 🔗

would imagine new offence of “not asking for certificates” will naturally be created as part of whole vax passport package

430636 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to nickbowes, #494 of 1890 🔗

Good point. Tim has quite a bit of clout and other pubs won’t dare stand out barring us if he doesn’t. Then other social venues will worry about losing customers to pubs and so on. The “thin end of the wedge” in our favour. Come on Tim!

430323 rockoman, 7, #495 of 1890 🔗
430324 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #496 of 1890 🔗

Many companies are working on a vaccination approach and they are stumbling in the dark with no real information. Please send this letter to your respective HR departments.


Fight for your health – once it is compromised you have a big problem

430372 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 4, #497 of 1890 🔗

Company HR departments (big companies, anyway) are in on the plan and part of the problem. Why give them early warning of intended tactics ?

430395 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, 3, #498 of 1890 🔗

Disagree, it has got nothing to do with ‘underground’ intended tactics.

This will help HR to advise senior management and then to develop policies and procedures that are fair to the employees and also mitigate the risk for paying out compensation. Already advised a couple of companies….

430621 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #499 of 1890 🔗

It will help HR to develop policies that are more mandatory-jab-friendly.

You’re a nice person, Victoria; company HR departments are usually not.

PS ‘underground’ ?!

430555 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnB, 1, #500 of 1890 🔗

100% agree keep your cards close to your hearts
Constructive dismissal is a very real thing why give them any ammunition?

430327 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #501 of 1890 🔗

Reading the “Postcard from the Philippines” was appalling and pretty much confirms what I’ve been seeing through my sister and brother-in-law’s anti-social media feed. My nieces are 3 and 5 years old, it’s appalling seeing them muzzled and wearing visors and I fear that they will be living with various sorts of physical and psychological damage for the rest of their lives.

I’m from the Philippines originally and this saddens me. We overthrew a dictatorship peacefully in 1986 and its now returned with a venegeance under the guise of “safety” and “public health.”

I’ve had debates with my family over this and they refuse to see how all the draconian restrictions especially the masking are doing damage to people’s health and well being. I was dismissed as “selfish” and “wanting people to die” when I pointed out the UNDP statistic that over 50% of poor Filipinons (who already account for 70-80% of the population) have fallen back into the extreme poverty line. They couldn’t relpy when I ask them how many of these people have to go without food in order to buy masks so that they won’t be punished by the State?

The vast majority of people I know in the Philippines have been brainwashed and are not affected because they’re rich or middle class or teachers who have remained paid throughout this. No different to the zombies we have in this country, any concern for the poor has gone out of the window and attitudes towards people with disabilities and mental health issues firmly remain in the Triassic Era.

And this is so spot on:

Every month the Government meets to discuss easing lockdown measures for the upcoming month, which the media touts like a carrot on a string in front of a mule, only to delay any relaxing of regulations: “We’ll see next month. If there is no rise in cases…” Since January the conversation has started to shift, focusing on the deteriorating economic situation and the increasing number of those going hungry, but the new ‘variant’ has put more petrol in the Government’s tank and now the discussion for March has echoes of last year – we just need two weeks to see how the situation with the new variant will develop! Of course, there is talk about that holy saviour, the vaccine, but that’s not on the horizon until at least the summer. The Government took three months to decide which vaccine to purchase, and now, even though it’s ordered millions of doses, they still haven’t arrived, and the Government can’t figure out why there is a delay – or who to blame. The whole situation is an absolute fiasco, and because ‘normality’ is contingent on that vaccine, I can’t see it happening in this country for at least two years.

Corruption is the main problem and what are the odds that the following will happen?

a) certain people will benefit from being awarded the contract for the magic snake oil, they pocket the money and not deliver

b) local governments, senators and congress will demand more money (aka Pork Barrell) in order to roll out the magic snake oil

c) the magic snake oil will languish in some warehouse and by the time the green light has been given, they have expired

As the Philippines slides further into the abyss and my family start wailing that its began to impact them, I will tell them in no uncertain terms that they have been complicit in their own issues and I shan’t have any sympathy for them. Just as they have had no sympathy for my mental health issues.

430366 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #502 of 1890 🔗

You’re right about the idiocy but from my own family there appears to be a two-level situation going on. You can get food delivered and have a massage at home. You can practically operate as before. A lot of the local markets and the shanties are unregulated with respect to this. In some sense people are freer to move around and socialise apart from going the main CBD or malls. This was what my brother in law was telling me when compared to us.

But then they aren’t in Manila.

The treatment of kids though is daft. I agree on that. Especially as schools aren’t free.

430379 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 3, #503 of 1890 🔗

I had a chat with a friend there who is a closet sceptic and from what I recall with what she said its the same in Manila – two tier system and many businesses happy to overlook things in order to generate business.

My parents being in their 70s are pretty much under house arrest and have Stockholm Syndrome due to not having seen their grandchildren for 6 months. Why they’re not questioning all this is bizarre.

The child abuse is daft and appalling. As my friend has told me, she’s worried about her son especially when summer comes around and activities are still banned.

430398 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #504 of 1890 🔗

I think it’s due to the Filipino spirit of just getting on with stuff. The problem is that it has a flip side in that you get along with bad things. Also the continual corruption eats away at people. And unlike the corruption in Ireland and the UK this is small stuff but loads of it. Basic bribery, getting poor people to shoot political opponents, using the principles of repaying favours and debt of gratitude.

So if you can stick your head down and go along with the dance it’ll be something else next year.

Amazing really. The Filipino drive would be incredible if allowed to be unleashed.

430695 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, #505 of 1890 🔗

Exactly. We have a term for that – “Bahala na!” which loosely translates as “come what may.” What’s good about it is that people get on with things and don’t have patience for whining. On the flip side is that as you said, people turn a blind eye on bad things. And that’s what’s going on here, what’s worse is the “I’m alright Jack” mentality from the rich, middle class & the professionals still being paid.

Coruption is endemic in the Philippines. I myself have been a victim of low level corruption and sadly one couldn’t do anything about it.

If the Filipinos can go “Enough is Enough” they can easily topple this government. They’ve done it before and they can do it again.

430371 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #506 of 1890 🔗

I enjoy reading about your experiences (I also work in the heritage business), your ideas, your reasoned comments.
But today I’m particularly interested in your ex-country’s experience in overthrowing peacefully the dictatorship!
Are there any pointers based on that experience for us in the UK do you think? Like so many posters to this site I am starting to believe we need a revolution to end this bollox.

430387 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 2, #507 of 1890 🔗

From what I recall what sparked the overthrow of Marcos was electoral fraud. There was a lot of big deal about “People Power” and Divine intervention then.

However its also now clear that the overthrow of Marcos would not have been possible without military involvement. A sizeable contigent of the military refused to recognise Marcos’ claim to electoral victory and refused to disperse the crowd that had gathered to protest against said fraud.

430499 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #508 of 1890 🔗

My recollection was that the military had been involved, and I couldn’t remember the circumstances (use of the military usually means violence of some kind). So it was one of the reasons I was intrigued by your use of the word ‘peacefully’.
Sadly not entirely a lesson for the UK then!

430560 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to bluemoon, 2, #509 of 1890 🔗

Judging by the current state of recruitment the UK army is full of wokes, gimps and trannies
No help will be forthcoming

430699 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, #510 of 1890 🔗

Unfortunately I don’t think it would be possible here and if you have loudmouths like Ellwood who seems to want to strut around like Napoleon then I don’t think its a good idea to rely on the militarty.

430332 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 9, #511 of 1890 🔗

Jesus Fucking Christ.


430406 ▶▶ TJN, replying to AidanR, 2, #512 of 1890 🔗

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ oh God No

First line in ‘Fear of Drowning’ the first record by British Sea Power. Sums up how I feel right now.

Oh Jesus fucking Christ, oh God no!

From the moment that you realize

Most of this ain’t real

To the moment that you decide

Shall we go out tonight

And we’ll swim from these island shores

Till there’s a fear of drowning

A little fear of drowning

A little fear of drowning

430530 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to TJN, 2, #513 of 1890 🔗

Haven’t heard that but it’ll be on the stereo the minute I’m off this conference call!

430338 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #514 of 1890 🔗

Jonathan Sumption says that Sweden ‘s democracy will last longer than ours.
Remind me again, what’s a democracy?

430388 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #515 of 1890 🔗

It is where the plebs turn out every 4 or 5 years and enact their right for change, without realising that the more things change, the more they stay the same; and that the new guy looks much like the old guy.

430390 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #516 of 1890 🔗

They are already trying to change the Swedish constitution to allow lockdowns
So not much longer

430408 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #517 of 1890 🔗

Same in Ireland.

They are using statuatory instruments to scare people into compliance currently. The courts would throw out most of the fines of people didn’t pay them. So, the only option for the government is to change the law.


The country shrugs its shoulders.

430512 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #518 of 1890 🔗

Would the courts throw them out? Most district court judges in Ireland are fascistic in nature – even pre COVID. There have been some people sent to jail for breaching COVID regulations in Ireland.

For the benefit of the wider audience, most judges in Ireland are failed solicitors/barristers. To be a judge, you have to have been a solicitor or barrister for a certain number of years. A successful solicitor or barrister will make more money in practice than as a judge – ergo, those who can’t hack it in practice move into the judiciary when the political party whose colours they share are in power.

430466 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #519 of 1890 🔗

I wonder why Sumption wasn’t paid off.

430340 WasSteph, replying to WasSteph, 38, #520 of 1890 🔗

I’ve been away for a while now to protect my mental health. No doubt that remaining disengaged was good for me. How I wish I was as thick as most of the population seem to be, present company excepted. Ignorance certainly is bliss. I won’t hang around because my depression has been manageable and I have to do what’s right for me.
I came back to get an update on the dictator’s pronouncements. What a crock of shit. People say just live your normal life but that’s just not possible with everything closed and extended family members wanting to follow the rules.
All I have been able to do is an illegal cup of tea on a park bench with a friend on a dog walk. That will continue even before it finally becomes legal.
This is just too slow and I can only hope that the good weather brings some unrest.
Other mothers of adult children will not have failed to notice this makes it 2 mother’s days in a row when it’s illegal to see children who don’t live with you. The cabinet and SAGE may hate their own families but some of us would prefer to be able to see and touch them.

430355 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to WasSteph, 6, #521 of 1890 🔗

You know where we are Steph, if you fancy to venture a bit further afield or even if you just fancy a chat … kh

430399 ▶▶ TJN, replying to WasSteph, 4, #522 of 1890 🔗

Best wishes Steph – I’ve missed your posts. Never feel sorry about being human.

430341 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #523 of 1890 🔗


Surprise for many that Naomi Wolf, liberal ,feminist ,democratic advisor Gore/Clinton
is anti LD. But she obviously has an amazing ability to concentrate her view of the totalitarian emergency power in this  2min video interview. Worth looking

430367 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to swedenborg, -5, #524 of 1890 🔗

Only a surprise on here where “it’s all a left wing plot” faction mostly live .

430403 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #525 of 1890 🔗

She’s been excellent. The Guardian of course have already tried to do hit pieces on her, but through the back door of publishing bad reviews of her new book

430346 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #526 of 1890 🔗


Last night’s conversation with former Wall Street banker, Catherine Austin Fitts, was out of this world.

Catherine’s credentials are remarkable. She was also the Assistant Secretary Of Housing under the first Bush administration, and oversaw hundreds of billions of dollars. You can get her full bio at her website .

She was recently interviewed in a documentary called Planet Lockdown which continues to be removed from YouTube (surprise surprise), in which she outlines the global economic situation in which we find ourselves during this fake pandemic .

Central bankers and big tech companies are pushing the world into a new model of trading designed to micromanage every aspect of our lives, from our appliances to our thoughts.

430352 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to Victoria, 10, #527 of 1890 🔗

David Icke has been correct about many things over the last year.

430357 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to nickbowes, 6, #528 of 1890 🔗

He’s been saying this for around 30 years too.

430404 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to nickbowes, 4, #529 of 1890 🔗

EVERY time I watch a David Icke video it is always him rambling and he is so utterly boring. He never gets to the fucking point. As a consequence I know nothing about him.

Should I read one of his books?

430420 ▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #530 of 1890 🔗

Please do so. Start with “The Biggest Secret”. Keep open minded about shape shifting but he has talked about enforced vaccination for the past three decades. His free to watch weekly podcasts with his son Gareth i think are excellent but sometimes can be too pessimistic for me, at times.

430434 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to nickbowes, 5, #531 of 1890 🔗

The problem with icke is that he mixes a lot of truth with outright nonsense.His London calling interview at the start of the pandemic was very good though.

430473 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #532 of 1890 🔗

Am amazed he has not been “bumped off” tbh (maybe harmless as he is perceived by millions as a total crank), not difficult to get to an old man living on the Isle of Wight for the scumbags who want to silence people which they have done many times before.

430498 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to nickbowes, 4, #533 of 1890 🔗

Agree, suspect you’re partially correct in that he is someone who is easily dismissed as a crank, but also he has quite a high profile. There’s a lot of light on him. In a way that’s the best form of protection.

430610 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, #534 of 1890 🔗

I’d start with ‘And the Truth Shall Set You Free’.

430778 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FedupofLies, #535 of 1890 🔗

“The Trigger” is good, his most recent one.

431034 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to FedupofLies, #536 of 1890 🔗

Being from Canada I had never heard of David Icke when I was first exposed to him via Brian Rose’s London Real. Watch his very first interview last March before the lockdown and you’ll be amazed at how prescient he was. His last interview, The Answer, was also good. But for a few minutes on the lizard people thing, I found him very coherent and compelling.

430826 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to nickbowes, #537 of 1890 🔗

Dave Cullen (Computing Forever) even more so. And has all the links to back it all up.
That’s why none of what’s happened since last March has been a surprise.

430638 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Victoria, #538 of 1890 🔗

The system has been designed that way for years. This is not a surprise to anyone who has dug deeper…the system is ingrained with bad intentions carried out by gullible, bribed or compromised people. JFK knew and the rest is history:


For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

430353 Dame Lynet, 13, #539 of 1890 🔗

Neil Ferguson and his ilks narrow-focused inhuman and inhumane witterings are in stark contrast to the unbearably sad story of Guy de la Bedoyere’s late mother-in-law, all the sadder as we know there are many more like her; a generation used to the rough and tumble contact of family and wider life reduced to helpless bewilderment ‘for their own good’.


430364 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #540 of 1890 🔗

COVID Vaccine Catastrophe Ahead

Report All COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects [in the US]
To address these shortcomings and monitor the public health effects of this mass vaccination campaign, the Children’s Health Defense is calling on all who have suffered a side effect from a COVID-19 vaccine to do three things:

  1. If you live in the U.S., file a report on VAERS
  2. Report the injury on VaxxTracker.com , which is a non-governmental adverse event tracker (you can file anonymously if you like)
  3. Report the injury on the CHD website


In the UK report adverse reactions here

430822 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, #541 of 1890 🔗

Unlike the OpenVAERS website, I haven’t yet seen a summary of UK adverse reactions, and most people will know nothing about reporting adverse reactions.

430370 stewart, replying to stewart, 20, #542 of 1890 🔗

This road map is a classic British retreat. Full of caveats, conditions and provisions that mean nothing is decided and every option is on the table. All designed to give the appearance of a retreat, but in fact things stay much the same.

Much the same way as the ruling classes have given the appearance of relinquishing power over past generations, but actually retain immense power.

The way the the Empire appeared to be dismantled but the monarchy, institutions and commercial interests all stayed in place.

The way Ireland was decolonised. They could have it back, well except the bit at the top.

The road map is a good old tried and tested scam.

430414 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to stewart, 3, #543 of 1890 🔗

When Singapore “fell” in 1942 the big guns were actually pointed the wrong way and over 100,000 Commonwealth soldiers were unable to defend an oncoming force of 30,000 Japanese on bicycles. I think self sabotage is particularly British trait.

430481 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, #544 of 1890 🔗

This road map is a classic British retreat.”

I’m not so sure – at least Dunkirk saved the army.

430375 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 22, #545 of 1890 🔗

I am well aware that not everyone here will agree with this but I am not in principle against taking the vaccine. I have some sympathy with the argument that they have been rushed out quickly and ideally I would rather wait for long-term safety data. But I’m also open to the argument that they could represent a net benefit, despite the potential for adverse events. I’m on the fence on this and could jump either way. I’ll be honest with you – it’s a tricky question for me.

But what I do profoundly object to is coercion. The government has announced a review into Covid Status Certification (vaccine passports by another name). Even if the review concludes (unlikely I feel) that they should not proceed with these (civil liberties, discrimination, practical difficulties, whatever) the mere fact of the review is an act of coercion, because it is raising the possibility that a “jab” will eventually be needed for jobs/going to the pub etc. It is an implied threat, even if the threat is not followed through with, and this itself constitutes coercion.

My position, therefore, is that I will certainly not consider receiving a vaccine until the government confirms that there will not be a domestic vaccine passport/covid status certificate. Once this guarantee is made, I will then look at the evidence and the arguments and make a decision, which will be a question of personal choice and will remain private.

(I say “domestic passport” because if New Zealand, say, insist on proof of vaccination before flying there, there is nothing that the UK government can do to prevent this. But having to show your papers in order to board the 10.15 to Euston is a different matter).

430386 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #546 of 1890 🔗

I’d wait for the nasal spray if I were you, it seems the least worst option
If it gets you that treasured vaccinated status that you desire then it’s a win


431174 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Crystal Decanter, #547 of 1890 🔗

how does that differ from the vaccination – surely the content is the same but just the delivery mode is different???

431178 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Crystal Decanter, #548 of 1890 🔗

how does that differ from the “vaccination” – surely the content is the same but just the delivery mode is different???

430401 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #549 of 1890 🔗

I think that to take the vaccine before that freedom can be guaranteed is somewhat a bit of difficult one. The big message of not consenting to coercion is only powerful via numbers. And given the risk of Covid to the vast majority of people and potential benefit of a vaccine, we have to hold the line.

430513 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #550 of 1890 🔗

Bollox you are just kidding yea.

430428 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Johnsontown, #551 of 1890 🔗

For me your first paragraph shows you are an idiot. If someone stopped you in the street and said “hey, give me 20 quid and I’ll stick something up your bum which will allow you to live 8 months instead of 6 if you get cancer”, would you say yes please?

430474 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bungle, -3, #552 of 1890 🔗

For me your first paragraph shows you are an idiot”

How much did 77th Brigade pay you for that little persuasive gem? 🙂

430516 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to RickH, 2, #553 of 1890 🔗

I agree with bungle

430615 ▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Bungle, 1, #554 of 1890 🔗

I’m so bored at the moment that I’d be quite tempted to pay someone £20 to put something up my bum. Maybe I should post something on the dating forum?

430817 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Johnsontown, #555 of 1890 🔗

Then Seattle is the place for you. They’re handing out drug equipment to homeless addicts which allows them to get their fix by inserting it up their bum.

430435 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Johnsontown, 13, #556 of 1890 🔗

the fact of coercion is in and of itself for me a huge red flag that something is wrong with this ‘vaccine’ – that it is not bona fides, not what it claims to be. it is a big red alert signal of evil. it is alarm bells screaming. maybe it really is a wonderful ground-breaking new technology: but would you really force 100% of the population to trial it? 7 billion people? REALLY?

430453 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #557 of 1890 🔗

It is so sinister. It’s a proper cult. Anyone who can’t see that is in the cult – either on purpose or through brainwashing.

430819 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #558 of 1890 🔗

The most benign motive I can ascribe to this is it’s about the money, with a few people making lot of it.

430469 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Johnsontown, 12, #559 of 1890 🔗

Obviously, all here will agree about coercion.

But it’s not just about that. The government paper proposing amendments to the Regulation of Medicines begins with a direct lie :

COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime histor y”

… which, of course, it isn’t – a fact that is entirely verifiable by reference to mortality data.

That should start alarm bells ringing.

But the we have the following actions from government :

  • Bought up billions-worth of stock unseen – for a product that was not in existence
  • Curtailed normal testing, and twisted the arm of the certificating authority to pass it as safe
  • Guaranteed the seller against any claims for the product being faulty
  • Had a large number of ‘salesmen’ tied into the manufacture’s profits
  • Spent millions on a dishonest advertising campaign
  • Constructed an ancillary expensive testing regime from the same industry to show that you needed the product
  • Conducted no cost/benefit analysis

By now, the alarm bells should be deafening.

430784 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #560 of 1890 🔗

It’s gonna be like this

430377 yohodi, 5, #561 of 1890 🔗

From the road map, see above.
Living with the virus
196) Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population, but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups…

430383 primesinister, replying to primesinister, 8, #562 of 1890 🔗

Why couldn’t blonde mop tops dad just of stuck to wanking that goes for many of them. sorry

430459 ▶▶ l835, replying to primesinister, 2, #563 of 1890 🔗

Hancock has to be an advert for abortion.

430510 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to l835, #564 of 1890 🔗

That would work.

430384 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #565 of 1890 🔗

Vaccine Adverse Effects May Take Years to Develop
In children, the side effects are likely to be less immediately noticeable, but may instead result in future health problems. In a Microbiology & Infectious Diseases paper, immunologist Dr. J. Bart Classen warns the mRNA jabs may instigate adverse events that take years to fully develop.

“One such potential adverse event is prion based diseases caused by activation of intrinsic proteins to form prions. A wealth of knowledge has been published on a class of RNA binding proteins shown to participate in causing a number of neurological diseases including Alzheimer’s disease and ALS,” Classen writes.

mRNA Vaccines Are Actually Gene Therapies
As detailed in “ COVID-19 mRNA Shots Are Legally Not Vaccines ,” these inoculations are more accurately described as gene therapies, and by referring to them as “vaccines,” the U.S. government is likely in violation of the 2011 U.S. Code Title 15, Section 1125, which regulates deceptive practices such as false descriptions in medical claims.

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a vaccine is “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.” Immunity, in turn, is defined as “Protection from an infectious disease,” meaning that “If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.”

Neither Moderna nor Pfizer claim this to be the case for their COVID-19 “vaccines.” In fact, in their clinical trials, they specify that they do not even test for immunity.

Not to worry, though, the Merriam-Webster dictionary recently updated its definition of “vaccine” to include mRNA technology, just in time for fact checkers to be able to “debunk” the entirely factual claim of the difference between true vaccines and mRNA technology.

Crazy enough, scientists are already discussing the potential for switching out conventional vaccines that use live or attenuated viruses with this novel RNA technology. [[Referring to long list of current vaccines – scary]]

Considering it’s a gene therapy that turns your cells into little “bioreactors” that spit out immune system activating proteins and have no off-switch, I don’t even want to imagine what might happen if a person were to receive several different ones.


430394 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Victoria, 12, #566 of 1890 🔗

Not to worry, though, the Merriam-Webster dictionary recently updated its definition of “vaccine” to include mRNA technology, just in time for fact checkers to be able to “debunk” the entirely factual claim of the difference between true vaccines and mRNA technology. “

Is there no limit to the sickness and cowardice of the ‘liberal’ establishment?

Will men and women of courage PLEASE FUCKING STEP FORWARD!

430389 TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #567 of 1890 🔗

Looking out of the window at a clear blue, cloudless sky and three aircraft con-trails. A very long time since I last saw that.

430536 ▶▶ isobar, replying to James Leary #KBF, #569 of 1890 🔗

Yes, but I find it encouraging that over 60% support lockdown ending as opposed to 85% who were in favour of lockdown on the 5th of Jan 2021 (also You Gov Poll)


430407 leggy, replying to leggy, #570 of 1890 🔗

I’m in a debate with someone about whether we’re all going to die this summer.

Obviously there are huge indications that we’re seeing the work of seasonal illness. Though South Africa were hit during their summer. Has anyone seen any analysis of this?

430419 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to leggy, 2, #571 of 1890 🔗

Going by last summer when Covid had all but disappeared I reckon we could be ok.I wouldn’t waste my time arguing with such a moron.Hes too far gone.

430423 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to leggy, 2, #572 of 1890 🔗

Unless the vaccinations will produce a mass cull, but hopefully not.

430564 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 2, #573 of 1890 🔗

No South Africa was not really hit in their summer – same nonsense going on there – unnecessary testing and then scientists shared this new strain (not dangerous) with the UK and then all hell broke loose.

430415 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #574 of 1890 🔗

Just on a train to Bath and have been questioned by BTP as to the purpose of my journey.Was also questioned at the ticket office in Swindon if my journey was essential.

430452 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #575 of 1890 🔗

How about replying: if you fuckers want to keep your jobs, then yes it is essential

430511 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #576 of 1890 🔗

It doesn’t have to be essential; you just need a “reasonable excuse”. This sort of blatant misuse of the law drives me nuts.

430851 ▶▶ Edward, replying to jonathan Palmer, #577 of 1890 🔗

I have a relative who works for one of the train companies. They have been told not to ask passengers the purpose of their journeys. BTP, however, can legitimately do so.

430422 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #579 of 1890 🔗

That’s why the end result will be embedded tattoos brought to you by Bill Gates.Another conspiracy theory that will come true

430421 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 11, #580 of 1890 🔗

I can’t be the only one to have noticed, but it really doesn’t matter how many times it is repeated because it is so important. On the same day Piffle announced his roadmap out of covid lockdown:


He also announced his roadmap back in again:


I guess we can all throw away our satnavs now, tomorrows Britain only contains one road and it only leads in one direction.

I never thought that being, statistically speaking, near the end of my life would be such a bonus.

“Pass me that DNR form will you Matt?”
“Certainly Bill, it is all filled out for you, that is your signature isn’t it?”
“It doesn’t look like it”
“Never mind, dementia does that to older people you know. Here, we’ll pin it onto your coat next to your mask exempt badge.”
“By the way, you do know that being ‘mask exempt’ now applies to oxygen masks as well don’t you?”
“No, I didn’t know that.”
“Well, never mind it wont affect you at all, you haven’t had your jolly jab so you would never be admitted to a hospital anyway. Have a nice day.”

430446 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Old Bill, 15, #581 of 1890 🔗

I’m actually really jealous of those of you aged 70+. You had relative freedom for most of your lives. My freedom is ending after half that time. My nieces and nephews will likely never see freedom. The best they can hope for is not to be culled by the NHS.

430486 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to TheBluePill, 6, #582 of 1890 🔗

Well I agree we were born at a fortunate time, but don’t worry the NHS will cull me and my generation long before they get to you, why do you think they vaccinate all the wrinklies first?

430496 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Old Bill, 1, #583 of 1890 🔗

Oh I am not worried about myself. For some reason I feel I have a duty to fight for the morally right thing, regardless of personal cost. Even if the people I fight for are the very same morons that got into this mess by allowing the media to stew their brains.

430455 ▶▶ Burlington, replying to Old Bill, 3, #584 of 1890 🔗

Yes I agree If you are entertaining the idea that this so called “Road Map” will lead back to normality. Think again! There is no intention of repealing any of the Diktats of the Coronavirus legislation No intention of returning our Human or civil rights to us.They dangle the carrot with one hand and keep the stick firmly in the other.
The government and their acolytes are fearful of the recriminations that will happen if we are ever given back our freedom. They should never be forgiven for their destruction of the social fabric of this country.
I live in hope that I may see them brought to account for their criminality.

430477 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Burlington, 8, #585 of 1890 🔗

The point I make is that the corona lockdown was just a preliminary to the main feature which is the climate lockdown. If we couldn’t fight the former which was based on clearly self-evident lies we have no hope of fighting the latter which is mired in religious fervour as well as lies.

430805 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Old Bill, #586 of 1890 🔗

I noticed that announcement on the radio this morning.
He’s destroyed the country, announces that we might be allowed out in a few months if we’re very good, and all be can burble about is a non-existent climate emergency.

430425 Ewan Duffy, 4, #587 of 1890 🔗


These academics are on a different planet. From the article:

“During the first Covid-19 lockdown in spring 2020, we undertook a study to examine how sleep patterns had changed compared to those we experienced pre-pandemic. We could view lockdowns as representing unique “natural experiments” in which to examine the impact on sleep of radical changes in work practice across large sections of society.”

There is nothing natural about lockdowns. Unsurprisingly, these fascists are based in Maynooth University – one of the chief lockdown advocates is Philip Nolan of Maynooth University and NPHET member.

430426 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #588 of 1890 🔗

No complaints about this edition. Good. But :

“Hard not to be disappointed”

I guess that depends on your expectations. And I guess that’s related to the microscopic gap under the limbo bar that is now the standard.

What a pile of unconscionable garbage is now being suffered as a penalty by an absurdly compliant population – the scientific equivalent of being told to wear a rabbit’s foot, stick a finger up your arse and whistle the Horst Wesse l song into the wind.

All for a government led by a politician whose only claim to fame is narcissism and fakery.

Guy de la Bédoyère’s article about his mother-in-law rang bells – as it will have done for many. Just one of the absurdities that comes from a death cult that depends upon engendering supreme cowardice as a way of life. Hitler was 70years too early for his plan.

430799 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, #589 of 1890 🔗

It’s not just the UK.
Tucker Carlson talked about this, i.e. what’s been going on across Western countries that had been thought to be free, turning them into near-police states almost overnight. People have not been compliant, and have had the police come down on them as if they were domestic terrorists.


This has not been voluntary. We’ve been coerced, bullied, brainwashed, and our fundamental right to protest taken away. We can write to our MPs and they ignore us, all but a very few.

The May elections are going to be interesting.

430427 Victoria, 26, #590 of 1890 🔗

Would you boycott business that try to insist on vaccine passports?

(you remember those things that were the stuff of conspiracy theory nonsense..)

430432 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 9, #592 of 1890 🔗

Waste of time emailing the likes of Ferguson. He does not enter into rational debate, his kind never do. They are correct, period. Their world view is the correct one, period. They will go their graves never doubting their wisdom or right to tell others what to do. They have enough ‘friends’ to insulate themselves completely from that most horrendous of things, self doubt.
The tyranny of people like Ferguson is used by the elite, the billionaires , an increasing number of which have the same characteristics, because the areas they made their fortunes are ones where you find a lot of people with such tendancies; medicine, biotech, computer technology etc. Allied of course to those of the same disposition with ‘old money’.

430493 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to peyrole, 4, #593 of 1890 🔗


1/ He is right about the model code. Poor coding practice does not mean a program cannot produce valid results.

2/ He is right that his model was not the only one to produce high death tolls. Anyone who had received a tutorial in S-I-R modelling could have cobbled together a spreadsheet version in 20 minutes which gave results in the same ball park. An initial R0 value of 2.5 leads to 60% population infected for herd immunity + a further 20% plus as the epidemic declines. Assuming whole population is susceptible and IFR = 0.9% then death toll will be ~500k, Models are tuned as more data becomes available.

3/ He is right about the Swine Flu predictions. Ferguson was asked what might happen if Swine Flu was able to transmit from human to human.

Sceptics are guilty of making poorly researched allegations and, as a result, are being shot down in flames every time.

Ferguson wasn’t wrong because of past predictions or his current model code. He was wrong – BADLY WRONG – because his model was disastrously calibrated.

SAGE, Ferguson and the decision makers were all at sea with the timing of the epidemic progression. On March 10th they thought the peak was 3 months away – when, in reality, it was nearer to 3 DAYS AWAY.

430504 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 4, #594 of 1890 🔗

And why was it three days away? And have he and others applied the mistake of their assumptions to subsequent models or have their models continued to be predicated on the entire population being equally vulnerable to the virus and no one having any pre existing immunity.

430531 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mayo, 2, #595 of 1890 🔗

May I respectfully suggest therefore that the architects of this tyranny put their money where their mouths are and surrender a large proportion of their salaries. No, thought not.

430544 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, 5, #596 of 1890 🔗

This is only half of the story. Yes, his model (and the others) performed poorly because they were not calibrated correctly. The issue (the irrationality of his reply, if you like) is that they are still not calibrated correctly after a year’s worth of data and the demonstration of the abysmal predictive power of all of these models, with their incorrect assumptions, thus far. This is ignoring the fact that there was more evidence than not that his initial variables were incorrect back in February/March 2020, and certainly with the ‘everyone is equally susceptible’ lie, April at the latest. Yet here we are at the end of the seasonal peak with more models predicting doom in the summer justifying continued restrictions until the middle of summer at the earliest.

430629 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to jb12, #597 of 1890 🔗

Yes-after a year of data! If we accept the first hypothesis which looks like it fits the data, then we deceive ourselves because there may be a dozen or more which do. We need to find the best explanation and we only manage that by testing and retesting our hypothsis. This is the first (and seemingly often forgotten) rule of scientific enquiry.

430548 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Mayo, #598 of 1890 🔗

Is it possible that this was this same reason his earlier predictions with swine flu etc etc were wrong too because he used badly calibrated models for those too?

I think your points are quite convincing but I’m interested to know how and what parameters in the model and how the initial conditions would change if the model was correctly calibrated. And it seems many others make the same errors what specifically did they get wrong?

430563 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mayo, 4, #599 of 1890 🔗

“/ He is right about the model code. Poor coding practice does not mean a program cannot produce valid results.”

Are you having an exceedingly large laugh?

Try putting a NULL into any field involved in a calculation in any flavour of SQL and see what happens.

430609 ▶▶▶▶ cantbetrue, replying to Katabasis, #600 of 1890 🔗

Logically there isn’t mutual exclusivity between ugly code and a wrong result. It would be incumbent on the accuser to perhaps run the code and try and point out specific inconsistencies and Winton’s article would have been bolstered if it did. It was found last year that the imperial model was actually indeterminate see: https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/

430812 ▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to cantbetrue, #601 of 1890 🔗

Poor coding practice != ugly code.

430592 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Mayo, 2, #602 of 1890 🔗

More succinctly… something caused the infections to peak on 13th March it wasn’t lockdown what was it?

430433 Victoria, 9, #603 of 1890 🔗

“Depriving people of human contact for months on end, and cutting off almost every avenue of pleasure… amounts to the most cruel and dangerous social experiment”.

Lifting the lockdown is not enough, we need a full return to normality.


430438 merlin, 3, #604 of 1890 🔗

even if you wanted to take a experimental gene therapy for a fake pandemic, with the slow release , why bother, wait for the second generation poison that will come in autumn.

430440 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #605 of 1890 🔗

Parents should know they can inform their child’s school and say their child is exempt from wearing a mask as it causes extreme distress.


430458 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Victoria, 6, #606 of 1890 🔗

Thanks Victoria and remember, this applies to all of us. Of course you are “distressed” when you know the truth of the harms. What people here do not seem to understand is that, when someone asks you about a mask at a shop, you tell them they are harassing you and once more is a criminal offence according to the 1997 Harassment Act.

430786 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 1, #607 of 1890 🔗

It causes more than stress.
It causes hypoxia, and potential brain damage, among a host of other negative side effects.
Are the schools willing to compensate for injuries caused by mandatory mask-wearing?

430442 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #608 of 1890 🔗

So, lockdown by Autumn or do you think they will go back to Tiers first?

430451 ▶▶ l835, replying to steve_w, 3, #609 of 1890 🔗

Tier as they “have been shown to work”

430482 ▶▶ scuzbert, replying to steve_w, 2, #610 of 1890 🔗

Tiers, I would imagine. After all, the aim is to keep us on the back foot, compliant and anxious, and a straightforward lockdown would be too straightforward.

430781 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to steve_w, #611 of 1890 🔗

Boris did say last year, around autumn, that we wouldn’t be back to normal until September this year…..

430443 DJ Dod, 13, #612 of 1890 🔗

196) Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population, but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups. The Government will ensure the country can live with the virus in the longer-term without imposing restrictions which bear heavy economic, social and health costs.

This extract from the ‘roadmap’ could have been written a year ago.

430445 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 8, #613 of 1890 🔗

Professor Ferguson says all the right things-especially: “My views are driven by the data and analysis of it – not just that from Imperial, but from researchers globally. Like most other people working on the virus, I learn new things every week, and that sometimes involves rejecting previous beliefs ” (my emphasis). But this is exactly what he does not do. Moreover, the most worrying thing is that it is not just one prof. but many, indeed a culture among scientists. As a historian I use modellers to investigate the past while Imp. and others try to explain the present and future. Their model should include a number of variables and involve running a series of scenarios-for example: exponential growth against seasonality; then prior immunity of 10% of the population, then 15% etc. The next step would be to look at experiences round the world and include climate, population density, communication routes, hospital transmission…..it will be a long list. Florida and California’s similar virus trajectory should be explained, plus the lack of spikes after southern backed beaches, Xmas, Thanksgiving and the Superbowl accounted for. If this is not being done, then what exactly are they modelling?

A clue comes from the Imperial College website: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/stories/coronavirus-modelling/ titled ‘Modelling an unprecedented pandemic-The vital role of team-based, collaborative epidemiology and disease modelling in managing pandemics.’ This looks more like a glossy university prospectus-with professional photos of nice smiling scientists, or a major grant application [which it may actually be the basis for]. This is how the page ends-
“All infectious diseases have the potential to grow exponentially for a period in this way. One person passes the pathogen to two or three others (depending on the basic Reproduction number, R0) and each of those passes it on to others, branching out in the population exponentially. The number of cases can double every five days or less (each square of the board … but the clock is ticking). Infections can seem small and manageable in the early days of an outbreak. Then quite suddenly, they’re not. That’s why it’s so important to run the maths of the infection in the early days, often projecting some alarming? worst-case scenarios, as well as interventions that might help ‘flatten the curve’ and stop the runway growth. Of course, every disease has different characteristics, and responds to different interventions differently.

We’ve had major outbreaks and pandemics in recent memory. But for a multitude of reasons, including interventions that proved effective, we haven’t seen the real explosion of cases and deaths we’ve had with coronavirus. It’s perhaps easy to forget that the exponential potential is always there. That is until we’re reminded by a virus that comes along with a perfect storm of characteristics: high infectivity, silent incubation, relatively high mortality. And crucially, no vaccine and no effective pharmacological treatments. That leaves only public health measures to defend ourselves.”

The key here is the assumption that the virus spreads exponentially-indeed, they assume nothing else. Therefore, they are bound to get the answer: “ That leaves only public health measures to defend ourselves.” There is no room for anything else. Their ‘model’ is a one-trick pony. The same monomania rules the Flaxman et al. paper which claimed lockdown saved 3 million European lives. This was rightly panned for circular reasoning and creating an artefact (a mirage) because the model could only provide one answer. The Imperial, Warwick and other teams are literally going round and round in circles-and the whole country with them.

430500 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to frankfrankly, -6, #614 of 1890 🔗

The key here is the assumption that the virus spreads exponentially-indeed, they assume nothing else

No. They assume exactly what any epidemiologists assumes, i.e. there is an initial exponential increase but the power of the exponential is a function of the proportion of the susceptible population (i.e. it is not constant).

430514 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Mayo, 3, #615 of 1890 🔗

I cannot see that they factor in anything else. The modellers act all the time as if the virus is like an airbag which we stand on to keep it suppressed but if we take our foot off it will spring up. They surely also assume that 100% of the population is succeptible. They should be running scenarios to check this.

430662 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to frankfrankly, -2, #616 of 1890 🔗

They surely also assume that 100% of the population is succeptible

Yes – They do until they get reliable estimates which indicate otherwise.

430818 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 1, #617 of 1890 🔗

Given that SARS CoV 2 is a member of the coronavirus family, four other common cold coronaviruses endemic for many, many years, that wasn’t a smart assumption to make:


The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 serological cross-reactivity was significantly higher in samples from SSA compared with the USA. Most of these cross-reactive samples cross-recognized the SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid protein and the spike proteins of other HCoVs. Nucleocapsid proteins from HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-229E were detected in most samples, thereby implicating prior exposure to these two HCoVs as the likely source of cross-reactive antibodies against SARS-CoV-2.


 The low incidences of SARS-CoV-2 infection and disease in SSA appear to be correlated with the pre-pandemic serological cross-recognition of HCoVs, which are substantially more prevalent in SSA than the USA.’


And these are smart people, aren’t they?

431251 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Tim Bidie, #618 of 1890 🔗

I will see your paper and raise you one in Cell – past coronavirus infection does not confer protection from either hospitalization or death. Pre-existing immunity from SARS-CoV-1 is, however, possible, just not the other endemic coronaviruses. This was not a correlation study, it was a cohort study who were followed for outcome.


Our studies indicate that most individuals possessed hCoV-reactive antibodies before the COVID-19 pandemic. We determined that ∼20% of these individuals possessed non-neutralizing antibodies that cross-reacted with SARS-CoV-2 spike and nucleocapsid proteins. These antibodies were not associated with protection against SARS-CoV-2 infections or hospitalizations, but they were boosted upon SARS-CoV-2 infection.

I am afraid the pre-existing immunity train has left the station. There isn’t any from other HCoVs.

431370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, #619 of 1890 🔗

You haven’t even bothered to read my reference:

‘To investigate this hypothesis, we examined pre-COVID-19 pandemic plasma samples from Tanzania, Zambia, and the USA to determine their serological cross-reactivity against the spike and nucleocapsid proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and other HCoVs (SARS, MERS, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU-1, HCoV-NL63, and HCoV-229E), as well as whether HIV-1 infection, which is endemic in SSA, might affect the prevalence of serological cross-reactive against SARS-CoV-2. We found that pre-COVID-19 pandemic SSA samples had a significantly higher prevalence of serological cross-reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 than samples from the USA. In addition, the SARS-CoV-2 cross-reactive plasma samples strongly recognized the spike and nucleocapsid proteins from specific human seasonal coronaviruses, thereby suggesting that prior exposure to these other coronaviruses may have induced partially protective responses against SAR-CoV-2.’

Reference above

So cross reactivity appears not to be consistent across regions

Do you even know what region your reference samples came from?

431391 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Tim Bidie, #620 of 1890 🔗

I did – where did they measure outcome? This is just another example of a poor presumed translation of an in vitro finding that fails to predict in vivo. SARS and perhaps MERS, will provide some immunity from infection, disease and death. The other four do not. Sadly THAT is the science. Inconvenient perhaps. but it is the science.

There are no prospective studies, but the Anderson paper is currently as good as it gets.

431427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to djaustin, #621 of 1890 🔗

You haven’t even read your own reference.

Read it and get back to me re which region/continent its samples came from. Then I might consider answering any questions that you may have.

On second thoughts, don’t bother because you, very much like Prof Ferguson, haven’t even considered T Cell immunity in your response.

In short, you are completely at sea.

Good night.

431397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, #622 of 1890 🔗

And the pre-existing immunity train is still sitting, resplendent, next to the Wagons-Lit waiting room for we sceptics to finish our canapes, well sluiced…….

‘Evidence characterising cellular immune responses suggest enduring T cell immunity, with phenotypic profiles consistent with helper and memory T cell functions and evidence of activity against multiple viral targets. Variation in viral targets is observed between disease severity and based on one study, the breadth and magnitude of the T cell response were significantly higher in patients who recovered from severe compared to mild disease. Responses were also detected in individuals who experienced mild infection.’

T cell response to SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans: A systematic review

431083 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mayo, #623 of 1890 🔗

They had these reliable numbers not estimates since about March last year. They ignored the real data even although it was bend out of shape so badly it was almost useless and still went with the mental predictions.

430625 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, 5, #624 of 1890 🔗

But they assume such a ridiculously small percentage of the population have encountered the virus or have pre-existing immunity, and so it is very close to exponential growth for a lengthy period.

See the attached graph, which shows that growth in ‘infections’ reduced rapidly from the end of February (approximately at least 21 days before the peak growth rate in deaths given the time before infection and death).

Given they don’t believe in seasonality, the reduction in ‘infection’ growth can only by their logic be by immunity or non pharmaceutical interventions. But in February there were very few NPIs. Hence it has to be immunity.

Hence incorporating data analysis shows their model to be wrong and they should have abandonded their model and come up with an at least vaguely realistic model, but they persist with their model which is an embarrassment to science.

The slowing in growth rate of infections from February was clearly due to a mix of seasonality and immunity in reality, but that’s another matter.

430447 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #625 of 1890 🔗

Fair to say that Boris Johnson has done more long term harm to the UK than Hitler did?


Now he wants to harm our children further with classroom mask rules – this simply must stop now



430465 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 1, #626 of 1890 🔗

Thanks, Victoria. I’ll pass that on.

Another link that someone posted here a couple of days ago has some stats worth noting:


430457 Victoria, 9, #627 of 1890 🔗

Just a few short months ago….

Boris Johnson calls face masks in classrooms ‘nonsensical’ hours after latest U-turn


430460 Banjones, #628 of 1890 🔗

A good demo – the ineffectiveness of muzzles:


430462 Victoria, 14, #629 of 1890 🔗

Hi @grantshapps do you remember saying this on my @talkRADIO show last month? All the over 70s have had their vaccines. Yet still lockdown continues for months. What time shall I meet you at the barricades? Any other Cabinet ministers care to join us?


On 8 Jan 2021

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps tells Julia he will join her “on the barricades to get our freedoms back” once the vaccine is given to over 70s: “I hate being in a Conservative government that has spent the last year finding freedoms and removing them.”


430464 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #630 of 1890 🔗

This is one of the graphics showing a ‘superspreader’ from the Imperial College website. It is well worth looking at because it is a piece of work.

430549 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to frankfrankly, 4, #631 of 1890 🔗

it’s also sexist – only men are spreaders? Where do I report this hate crime?

430628 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to vargas99, 1, #632 of 1890 🔗

and the non-binary midgets of colour
all must be represented for the good of diversity

430472 Victoria, 7, #633 of 1890 🔗


 Tories seem happy to mask our kids, shaft the self employed, ruin small businesses, & keep us locked up, while bunging big multi million £ contracts to their mates.


430475 p02099003, 4, #634 of 1890 🔗
430476 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 34, #635 of 1890 🔗

This illustrates how dumb and pathetic the police have become. The level of stupidity beggars belief. This is a logical outworking of trying to define and justify ‘hate crime’. Look at the picture. Look at these idiots, standing there double proud in front of an incoherent banner. These morons have become a parody of themselves.

To point out the obvious, I find the poster offensive. The level of stupidity and lack of concern for/underatanding of the law causes me to resent throwing my hard-earned money at this moronic and out-of-touch institution. Who do I speak to?

430490 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnDanny, 19, #636 of 1890 🔗

I find the police offensive. And to think my taxes are funding this idiocy is a further kick to the guts!

430517 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to JohnDanny, 17, #637 of 1890 🔗

I find masks offensive, they should arrest themselves.

430577 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #638 of 1890 🔗

Who do I speak to?

Your ‘police and crime commissioner’. Best of luck. 🙂

430583 ▶▶ cantbetrue, replying to JohnDanny, #639 of 1890 🔗

Section 4A of the Public order Act 1986 specifies the following offence:

Intentional harassment, alarm or distress. (1)
A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—

uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.

It is left as an exercise to the reader to prove that (b) applies, the prize is a private prosecution.

430787 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #640 of 1890 🔗

I’m wondering if they’ve solved all the crimes in Merseyside if they have time to do this.

Superman, Batman and Spiderman will be beating a path to them to ask how they managed to achieve zero crime.

431072 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #641 of 1890 🔗

Face nappy fascists.

430479 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 17, #642 of 1890 🔗

Left Lockdown Sceptics is a small operation but they produce some good stuff. Here’s their latest on the appalling John Edmunds:


“Edmunds has transformed himself into a covid ghoul to rival even the likes of Gabriel Scally. Scally at least has the lone redeeming feature of being consistent. He’s been consistently loathsome from the start. Edmunds caps this by adding crass hypocrisy to his odious supine devotion to the lockdown cult.”

430494 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #643 of 1890 🔗

An excellent takedown! This guy is worse than Feguturd.

430515 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #644 of 1890 🔗

LLS do stirling work

430501 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 6, #645 of 1890 🔗

It`s this kind of shyte that one day soon will be mandatory on our “smart phones” to participate fully in any kind of life, or within the prison grid to be more truthful ..

430507 ▶▶ mwhite, replying to nickbowes, 12, #646 of 1890 🔗

Got rid of my smart phone, replaced it with a technophobes flip phone which spends most of the time off.

430586 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mwhite, 6, #647 of 1890 🔗

Wise move. My old Nokia’s a thing of wonder to my daughters and their friends. One of them asked me how I took the photographs he’d seen in my daughters’ inboxes. I explained that I used a camera. He looked astounded.

430580 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to nickbowes, 9, #648 of 1890 🔗

“Is it worth tracking your carbon footprint?”

I’m making it my mission to put as much carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere as I can. It helps the plants grow.

430623 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 2, #649 of 1890 🔗

We will eventually have our own leper colony and tbh I would rather hang out there than with the collaborators

430505 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 12, #650 of 1890 🔗

Daily and monthly care home deaths from the 10th of April 2020 until the 19th of February 2021.

Note that after 19 days February 2021 now has the highest monthly deaths (also note that the data for April started on the 10th of April, which is 21 days, so with 2 more days of data we’ll be able to make a direct comparison).

Vaccine introduced on the 8th of December 2020.

Most deaths: 941 on the 25th of January 2021.
Most deaths prior to release of the vaccine: 715 on the 27th of April 2020.

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Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/numberofdeathsincarehomesnotifiedtothecarequalitycommissionengland

430522 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to John Galt, 2, #651 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for this. How does this pattern compare to previous years?

430559 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Ovis, 1, #652 of 1890 🔗

They’ve never tracked them before as far as I can tell.

430537 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to John Galt, 2, #653 of 1890 🔗

Winter death sudden increase nothing to do with the vaccine rollout….

430506 Jo Starlin, 1, #654 of 1890 🔗


430509 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #655 of 1890 🔗

Going to try again as there were too many links in the original and I’m stuck in moderation

Ooh look, here’s another lockdown fanatic who mysteriously was all over the internet in the early stages.

A section was given over to a discussion between Edmunds and one Tomas Pueyo from California. Subsequent attention has been on the content of Edmunds’ contribution, but little on who exactly Pueyo was.

A true altruist no doubt only concerned about saving lives. On the Stanford Graduate School of Business website there is a bit more in depth about Pueyo [3]:
“On March 10, Pueyo, a 2010 graduate of Stanford GSB with a diploma in public management and specialization in behavioural psychology, published a data-driven article on Medium titled CORONOVIRUS:WHY WE MUST ACT NOW”

It’s a 26 min read but, within the space of nine days, the post had been viewed 30 million times!

It turns out that Pueyo is the vice president for growth of a company called Course Hero [8], an on-line learning platform for students and tutors that costs (as low as) $9.95 a month for instant access. The company has a capital value of $1 billion. Call me cynical, but wouldn’t a lockdown, and particularly one that closed schools, colleges and universities, present Course Hero with a massive marketing opportunity?


430535 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #656 of 1890 🔗

Follow the money.

430521 l835, replying to l835, 9, #657 of 1890 🔗

The logic of the headmaster on Talk … don’t send a child to school after 8/3 and the parents will be fined (after 12 months of gone schooling?!). Send a child who refuses to wear a mask to school, and they’ll be sent home! Brilliant!!!

430532 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to l835, 7, #658 of 1890 🔗

He burbled on about masks as being guided by health and safety regulations. Mandatory masks for under-18s “when they can’t socially distance” i.e. in classrooms as well as corridors, for hours at a time, is neither healthy or safe.

430523 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -34, #659 of 1890 🔗

Whoever is sending these emails to Neil Ferguson should stop. They are not helping the lockdown cause. Ferguson is dealing with the accusations easily because he happens to be right. Basically the accuser(s) have failed to research the facts properly. It’s embarrassing.

Ferguson and SAGE, in particular, are very much at fault but Lockdown Sceptics are completely failing to recognise what those faults are.

CLUE: It’s nothing to do with model code. I cobbled together a model in 20 minutes which gives similar results to Ferguson. Nic Lewis has also done the same. Nic’s issue was with the initial assumptions (e.g. homogeneity including prior immunity) but, to be fair, to Ferguson there weren’t any reliable estimates in March (there still aren’t). Remember models are tuned as more data becomes available.

The “experts” are being let off the hook because sceptics keep swinging and missing. Yeadon’s left the stage because his herd immunity in spring claptrap has bit the dust and we appear to be left with either false or irrelevant claims about Ferguson’s past predictions.

To discover the real failings you need to refer to SAGE minutes – in the context of the modelling.

430526 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mayo, 20, #660 of 1890 🔗

Yeadon hasn’t left the stage so much as he’s been pushed off and silenced.
Do we know for sure that all the deaths over winter weren’t because of other respiratory infections, other causes, i.e. normal winter mortality, or because of the vaccine itself?

430568 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to LMS2, 12, #661 of 1890 🔗

Or because of the devestating consequences of lockdown coming to a head in the winter.

430612 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to LMS2, 7, #662 of 1890 🔗

Given that flu supposedly miraculously disappeared this Winter it’s pretty obvious what may have contributed to many deaths just like it does every Winter. Then since the vaccine was rolled out (from 8th December?) on the frail and elderly I think care home deaths went up by 81% (according to UK Column stats) within the first month of rollout.

430528 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 18, #663 of 1890 🔗

That would be the model that didn’t factor in T cell immunity, pre existing immunity from other Coronaviruses or seasonality – and still doesn’t.

Must try harder Private Mayo.

430554 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #664 of 1890 🔗

He made the same mistake with Foot and Mouth when they advised to cull loads more animals in adjacent farms. I think he has spent the next decades trying ot prove that HE WAS RIGHT rather than accepting that he was wrong.

430603 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to mhcp, 4, #665 of 1890 🔗

Notice he didn’t mention BSE/vCJD in his response this morning. That was even worse than FMD. The liberal left loved both crises though because it served to confirm their anti farmer bias.

430648 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to mhcp, -8, #666 of 1890 🔗

So he was wrong about foot and mouth? What about it?

430727 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 4, #667 of 1890 🔗

Foot and Mouth was the start. He methodolgy is wrong and has continued to be wrong. CJD deaths was wrong. You could argue he predicted between 50 to 50,000 and 177 died so he was correct. No, his range is absurdly large (3 orders of magnitude) which means he trying to justify vagueries. If he had said 500 +/- 100 or even 1000 +/- 200 and been a little high then okay. But 50,000 was used to promote certain measures at the time.

Same with the 510,000 for the Reasonable Worst Case. That isn’t a reasonable case. It’s the extreme end of an uncertainty band that requires you to look at your assumptions and data quality.

Real life and other country’s experience and death figures (even with these being exagerrated) has shown that he is wrong too. Real life provided the control and he is wrong.

Does he change his mind? No he doubles down.

But there’s a wider problem. He tries to model with vagueries and thinks large uncertainty ranges are fine. They aren’t. There are limits to what you can model and it’s best with tight control over your inputs.

I’ve modelled flight systems and plasmas over the years professionally. Also comms systems. Good reliable data is key for any fidelity with the real world.

430764 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 1, #668 of 1890 🔗

The small matter of ten million healthy animals slaughtered. Suicides running into three figures. PTSD etc etc. And then we have BSE/vCJD…

430772 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Mayo, 2, #669 of 1890 🔗

Get your arse up to the northern areas of the country and say that. It is comments like that which show you have no idea of the damage caused by Ferguson being so very wrong about foot and mouth. Not only were millions of healthy animal culled, lives were ruined, suicides increased and areas were blighted for years, many of which still are.

431062 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mayo, 1, #670 of 1890 🔗

I remeber the huge piles of dead cows and sheep and saw other similar huge piles of corpses being burned.

Thousands of bodies in huge piles. The smell it is one I will never forget either, you could smell the pyres for miles away weeks after the burnings.

That what was wrong with Ferguson’s model. The damage his bullshit caused then was incredible. It destroyed thousands of farmers lives and decimated genetic liniages in farm animals that had been around for hundreds of years to be replaced with Fresian or Caerrolay clone cows.

Anybody who had any degree of humility would have given up and re-trained. Not that smarmy sack of plop that is Ferguson, he just arrogantly fronts it out, year after year. Bastard.

430573 ▶▶▶ cantbetrue, replying to Ewan Duffy, #671 of 1890 🔗

I see it as being defensible that a model might be wrong in the first instance. Inaccuracy can always be explained away by ‘this was with the best input we had at the time, and others agreed with us’ and seems to be the core of Fergusons argument once you pull away the rebuttals and a ‘You can’t handle the truth’ attitude. In a fast evolving situation it’s sometimes necessary to make quick decisions even though they might not be right. However, replies to unsolicited mail aren’t ever going to elude concessions to the fallibility of this approach or to much else for that matter.

430617 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ewan Duffy, -11, #672 of 1890 🔗

So tell us what the factor is for T cell immunity etc
should be used?

430619 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 8, #673 of 1890 🔗

So because you don’t know, you exclude it? If you adopted that approach towards everything, there would be no model as everything would be excluded and we wouldn’t have had this bullshit.

430726 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #674 of 1890 🔗

Not zero. Next

431367 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Ewan Duffy, #675 of 1890 🔗


Sorry to burst that bubble

Our studies indicate that most individuals possessed hCoV-reactive antibodies before the COVID-19 pandemic. We determined that ∼20% of these individuals possessed non-neutralizing antibodies that cross-reacted with SARS-CoV-2 spike and nucleocapsid proteins. These antibodies were not associated with protection against SARS-CoV-2 infections or hospitalizations, but they were boosted upon SARS-CoV-2 infection.

430529 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 16, #676 of 1890 🔗

Okay you are wrong on a number of levels.

1) Cobbling together a basic model based on an estimation of IFR is completely dependent on the quality of the data you use to say “this is a Covid case”

2) The definition of Covid is vague, the symptoms list is long and procedural measures put in place do not reduce uncertainty, either by using PCR or recording deaths. Measurement is procedural as much as instrumental.

3) Yeadon was not wrong. We had a winter bump like we always do. What is interesting are the phenomological processes that produced the spikes. Mortality is not exceptional

4) The code DOES count because successive iterations reinforce the group think. This is prevalent in all modelling fields and is something you are warned about.

Unless you have high quality input data you produce shit. And then you believe that shit because you pump it through your model.

You cannot short cut good data.

When you don’t have it you revert to broader strokes. Additionally no one has countered why 73,000 excess deaths in one month (Jan 2018) was fine but less than 50,000 was a travesty?

The only reason is because you believe your models which are based on VAGUE DATA.

I’ve told you this time and time again but you don’t seem to get it.

The minute you are faced with a situation where the data is wrong and directly affected your life you’d be up in arms. That is the standard you use.

430645 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to mhcp, -8, #677 of 1890 🔗

You’ve really missed the point.

1/ No idea what this means. In a model we use infection X with an IFR of Y%. The parameters are estimated from known data – WHICH MAY BE REVISED LATER.

2/ As far as the model is concerned the specifics of the disease are not relevant. They are provided by the scientists.

3/ Yeadon WAS wrong because we wouldn’t have any bump if we were immune to the infection. After a peak in spring we should have had no excess mortality in winter.

4/ The code is irrelevant.. Why does my ‘model’ which is completely different give similar results. Why did Nic Lewis get similar results.

Unless you have high quality input data you produce shit. And then you believe that shit because you pump it through your model.

I produced a model l without data – only assumptions. If you assume an average rate of transmission among a population (and an estimate of IFR). If my model is not matching the data then I look at how the model could be improved (tuned).

Additionally no one has countered why 73,000 excess deaths in one month (Jan 2018) was fine but less than 50,000 was a travesty?

We have more than 50k excess deaths – a lot more. It’s unusual to get a large excess in spring and another large excess in January. But this has nothing to do with my original comment.

The only reason is because you believe your models which are based on VAGUE DATA.

You don’t really know what you’re on about. We understand the limitations of models. We know they are run using assumptions and that those assumptions may change over time.

430687 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 4, #678 of 1890 🔗

You produced a model based on an IFR estimation that was based on vague data.

Everything you have said is predicated on the fact that the data was sufficent to be used in a hypothesis.

And it wasn’t. You haven’t done the quality control on the basic inputs. I’m not talking about the model assumptions. I’m talking about the process of investigating where you assumptions come from. What data has been used and if it is sufficient.

The 73,000 deaths is used as metric for inaction. The only reason you would think of taking action is if you can reasonably show that you will get more than this by significant margin. But you can only get that if you assume your input data is valid with low enough uncertainty.

You just do not get the concepts of any of the scientific method as it applies to reality and not theory.

You cannot justify your data because it has failed the first step in validation: has this been obtained with sufficent specificity and low enough uncertainty.

430690 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #679 of 1890 🔗

Oh and Yeadon was not wrong. You will always get a winter bump. Others here have posted as such with nice graphs for mortality. The question is what is causing the othe spikes at a systematic level.

430738 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 4, #680 of 1890 🔗

Zero pre existing immunity was a wild assumption to make. Its like everything erred on the side, not of caution, but of total fear.

In one of hs responses regarding Swine Flu he says that it might still happen that 200m die. What kind of defence is that? So his model can pump out numbers
Great. Now what.

430534 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 7, #681 of 1890 🔗

Yes I think the main problem with the RWC is GIGO and then all the other scenarios suffer in the same way from GIGO

I disagree he’s dealing with them easily though – points other than the code were raised and his answers to those were weak

I also think that while estimates of things like prior immunity may not be “reliable”, ignoring it is worse than trying to account for it, perhaps with a range, based on real world data – a modeller more interested in truth than proving himself right would surely have given this a go

But equally if dummies like me are able to ask these questions, Hancock, the PM, Whitty and Vallance ought to, too

430545 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #682 of 1890 🔗

… and if dummies like me can make more accurate predictions than a computerised model, then there’s a way to go in the field before the models should be let out to play.

430650 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -5, #683 of 1890 🔗

Have you mad a prediction? On what was it based?

430651 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Julian, -5, #684 of 1890 🔗

I disagree he’s dealing with them easily though – points other than the code were raised and his answers to those were weak

Such as?

430538 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 12, #685 of 1890 🔗

Yeadon’s left the stage because his herd immunity in spring claptrap has bit the dust

Really? Only if you have a very naive view of what it entails, and how quarantine for the healthy can inhibit it.

… and wherever your contrasting fellow-feeling for Ferguson comes from, he should have been handed his P45 way back.

Mathematical modelling needs to be put back in its playroom box until it has developed a more credible relationship with reality.

430656 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, -7, #686 of 1890 🔗

Really? Only if you have a very naive view of what it entails, and how quarantine for the healthy can inhibit it.

Right – so we didn’t have herd immunity.

430791 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, #687 of 1890 🔗

Ok then, subject to seasonality and NPIs yet, when the NPIs were lifted , we saw no rise in cases so it was seasonality. Now we are back to NPIs and seasonality so when the NPIs, which no one is observing, are lifted we will see whether we have reached endemic equilibrium in the autumn/ winter as well as in the spring/ summer.

430539 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 15, #688 of 1890 🔗

There were reliable estimates for pre existing immunity in March. The Diamond Princess provided ample data which Ferguson chose to ignore. Yeadon has been forced from the stage because he has been smeared and vilified. And his suggestion that we reached endemic equilibrium, subject to seasonality, in the spring, has not been proven to be wrong, as we have witnessed since cases peaked between Christmas and new year and lockdown has had nothing to do with it.

430614 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, -13, #689 of 1890 🔗

There were reliable estimates for pre existing immunity in March.

This is a silly assumption based on a belief that the infection had run it’s course, It hadn’t. It was interrupted after 10 days. In that time over 700 people had been infected. This was a from a single index 0 patient which suggests that the infection spread was at a relatively early stage.

And his suggestion that we reached endemic equilibrium, subject to seasonality, in the spring, has not been proven to be wrong, as we have witnessed since cases peaked between Christmas and new year

We had either achieved herd immunity or we hadn’t. If we had then seasonality would be a minor factor. I agree seasonality interrupted the infection but there was still a large proportion of the population who were still vulnerable.

430632 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 11, #690 of 1890 🔗

I’ll keep saying to you: how did they determine that the infection was SARS-CoV-2 and that it was Covid-19? The attribution criteria are vague. Where was the elimination of other conditions? Where were the confimatory autopsies?

Where was the quality control in the measurement?

There wasn’t any.

This is obvious is you choose to look. And it completely undercuts any modelling as the premise is shot. The bar for a crisis has to be more than 73,000 deaths in one month. Otherwise you just have nice exercise in looking at a small issue.

430635 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 9, #691 of 1890 🔗

And yet none of those vulnerable people were infected in pubs, at the beach, at BLM protests etc, etc. Because subject to seasonality endemic equilibrium had been reached.

430960 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, #692 of 1890 🔗

We know that respiratory viruses do not transmit as readily during the summer.

That does not mean we have population immunity to the virus.

431603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, #693 of 1890 🔗

So what caused the infections to peak a week ahead of lockdown in March and the R to start decelerating even sooner? Magic?

430867 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mayo, 2, #694 of 1890 🔗

People had sars 2 in Europe in December. Nobody is now denying that. So Your argument about interrupting it after 10 days is very fatally flawed.

430962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Andrew K, -1, #695 of 1890 🔗

No idea what your point is.

431374 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to Will, #696 of 1890 🔗

The most reliable estimate for pre existing immunity is that there is none. Sorry. #yeadonWrongAgain. I pointed out at the time that he was assuming things to be true that were only hypotheses. Sadly the data is now in, and there is no immunity from past colds and infections by HCoVs – except the previous SARS-CoV1. Not exactly a common infection in the UK.


430541 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mayo, 1, #697 of 1890 🔗

Did you include or exclude internal flights in your model?

430601 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Katabasis, -11, #698 of 1890 🔗

You can include what you want. Ferguson’s ‘business as usual’ scenario meant just that.

430810 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mayo, 2, #699 of 1890 🔗

“Business as usual” would include internal flights.

Prof Pantsdown excluded them because it made the simulation run too slowly.

430956 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Katabasis, #700 of 1890 🔗

Apologies. I neve read your first comment properly.

No – for me not needed. If transmission is allowed then international travel just changes the seed and starting point. Once virus is established domestic transmission becomes the main driver.

Infection peaks will be similar in magnitude.

430551 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mayo, 5, #701 of 1890 🔗

there weren’t any reliable estimates in March (there still aren’t).

So what is the point in modelling. If we don’t have good estimates to go on why keep modelling?

430598 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to JHUNTZ, -12, #702 of 1890 🔗

Did you not read the comment.

If you start off with a worst case scenario then tune the model as more data becomes available.

We can’t estimate heterogeneity factors partly because the model was not temporally aligned with reality correctly. The initial peak was estimated to be in June. THAT’S THE KEY REASON FOR THE COCK-UP.

430605 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 5, #703 of 1890 🔗

You can’t model with vague data Mayo. It fails the first validation step. Do you know what that is?

If you then make assumptions it dilutes the exercise so that it often becomes noise and no different than not modelling.

430606 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 4, #704 of 1890 🔗

I will ask again, Why was it estimated to be in June? And are the same assumptions that estimated the peak to be in June still serving as the data for the models? Given the latest predictions, it looks like they are still not factoring pre existing immunity or seasonality into their modelling.

430607 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Mayo, 1, #705 of 1890 🔗

I imagine if you made this point to Ferguson he would claim that the peak would have been in June were it not for lockdown. How would you convince he was wrong?

430644 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Dan L, 2, #706 of 1890 🔗

And yet infections peaked, for some reason, at least a week before lockdown started and the R rate had been decelerating since the end of February..

430689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Will, 4, #707 of 1890 🔗

Indeed. Do you think that they could still put this down to noise in the data?

It’s a fascinating discussion as this is really key to the lockdown debate because at the moment the main players seem still to be convinced that lockdowns are incredibly effective in reducing the R rate largely because of what happened between February and June.

The bit I don’t get about Mayo’s comments is that at the time the June peak was a prediction of the model not an input to the model. It seems circular logic to try to use this to calibrate the model so I can’t imagine Ferguson did this. This prediction didn’t come to pass but was this due to incorrect calibration? not including seasonality? Or was it lockdown as Ferguson would no doubt claim?

And in my view Lockdown Sceptics criticisms do cover calibration of the model. It seems to me the main ones are: is the R0/R value (and related internal parameters) correct? And what was the level of pre-existing immunity? There is a bit of a scattergun of arguments in the emails to Ferguson and he is batting away the comments he can address but avoiding the key problems which were also raised in the emails.

430947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Dan L, #708 of 1890 🔗

The bit I don’t get about Mayo’s comments is that at the time the June peak was a prediction of the model not an input to the model.

They were using available data (I assume) to tie that into the model. Up until about March 10th they though they were in control. Remember they were testing and contact tracing and finding links to international travel. Vallance was talking about introducing interventions at the right time – not too early.

The sudden realisation that they had a lot more cases than they realised was a shock.

430934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Dan L, #709 of 1890 🔗

No he couldn’t.

That’s my f***ing point. He would be bang to rights on this.

430940 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mayo, 1, #710 of 1890 🔗

Can you repeat Red Lorry Yellow Lorry over and over again for me please.

430574 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mayo, 19, #711 of 1890 🔗

You said this below:

““/ He is right about the model code. Poor coding practice does not mean a program cannot produce valid results.””

This is so laughably wrong that its safe to ignore anything else you have to say.

And I say this as someone who has had to fix code produced by Imperial academics for clinical projects.

430634 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Katabasis, 7, #712 of 1890 🔗

When poor coding practice has made cars crash and planes fall from the sky it just shows you what mentality you are up against.

430930 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to mhcp, -2, #713 of 1890 🔗

Do give it a rest. Bugs cause programs to fail or produce incorrect results.

That is not the case here.

430927 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Katabasis, #714 of 1890 🔗

Academic, in particular, write programs that look like rat’s nests but they do work.

It’s a lot easier to fix bugs in programs that are well written but a poorly coded program doesn’t necessarily produce wrong results.

Ferguson’s results agree with plenty of others.

430588 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mayo, 14, #715 of 1890 🔗

Any communications with any of the “experts” that Government are listening to is worth it especially if you get an answer of any description off them.

Ferguson’s answers boil down to “because me and my mates said so and we’re better than you so there”.

I’ve sent “them” (including Ferguson) correspondence asking pointed questions and not received one answer so well done getting this lot out of him in recent days.

The main fault with SAGE is that the majority of people who comprise the committee are so far removed from normal life as they have a reasonably priveleged background and have gone to school, college, university, teaching and research that they have absolutely no fucking idea what the real world is like for the 99%.

They are theoretical pie in the sky navel gazers.

430593 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Mayo, 8, #716 of 1890 🔗

Aren’t we forgetting when talking about the second wave and Yeadon that what we saw in the winter was maybe a consequence of lockdown? As was predicted even by SAGE last spring by kicking the can down the road we were deferring a lot of infections. In fact we did such a grand job, we pushed many cases back to the worst time of the year for respiratory infections: winter.

Obviously now the vast majority of the population believes we have had a huge second wave and Ferguson is able to shelter behind this but to me it appears not so much a second wave, but the artificially inflated tail of the original wave. Add to this that lockdowns seem a likely cause of more infectious mutations.

Ferguson – perhaps with good intentions? – has been responsible for the climate of fear driven lockdowns which directly contributed to the “second wave” he now uses to prove his predictions were right!

430922 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #717 of 1890 🔗

Aren’t we forgetting when talking about the second wave and Yeadon that what we saw in the winter was maybe a consequence of lockdown?

I’m not -are you? That doesn’t validate Yeadon’s argument that the pandemic was over. If we had achieved herd immunity any “second wave” would have been insignificant.

430936 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mayo, 2, #718 of 1890 🔗

We didn’t have a second wave

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430975 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Andrew K, -2, #719 of 1890 🔗

What’s that red blob at the end? and it ‘s bigger in January.

431056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mayo, 1, #720 of 1890 🔗

Covid deaths! Yes due to the vaccine no doubt and lack of health care for the toerh 68 million population. I’m assuming access to health care does prevent death, so take that access away. 17/18 look worse than 2020 winter.

430721 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 2, #721 of 1890 🔗

It’s nothing to do with the code, because it works. Big deal. His code has consequences, yours does not.

Code that works and code that is accurate are two different things. And to be fair to Ferguson, if he hadn’t any real estimates to go on, he shouldn’t have been given such a say. That was a political decision. We should have relied on our previous preparations instead of going all out on the new China model.

He’s retreated to his ivory tower with his responses. If he wants to play politics again, he needs to own the consequences of his recommendations.

430732 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #722 of 1890 🔗

Very nicely put. It’s the recogintion to put the hammer away when you see a screw.

430740 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #723 of 1890 🔗

yes, the evidence that we should throw out our pandemic response plan and go with ‘never before tried lockdown’ was flimsy at best

430918 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to steve_w, #724 of 1890 🔗

Steve I agree with you. But the model wasn’t the issue. The timing of the disease progression was.

Initially the model had several scenarios. SAGE thought they had plenty of time (peak in June) – then Panic. Way more cases & hospitalisations than expected.

430902 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #725 of 1890 🔗

Code that works and code that is accurate are two different things.

The accuracy of results is dependent on initial assumptions. Why doe you not get this? Models are tuned as more data becomes available.

Ferguson’s model produced several projections based on different scenarios – yet everyone focuses on the extreme BAU scenario. ##

430853 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mayo, #726 of 1890 🔗

Looking at all the mis-attributed deaths since September I would say Mike Yeardons herd immunity was stop on. Now tell your commander general to *****

430895 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Andrew K, -3, #727 of 1890 🔗

Don’t be ridiculous. I know no-one who had Covid in spring but have several close relatives and acquaintances who were very ill with Covid symptoms between November and January. Yeadon’s claims were ridiculous.

430952 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mayo, #728 of 1890 🔗

Or was it flu

430980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Andrew K, -2, #729 of 1890 🔗


431058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 2, #730 of 1890 🔗

How do you know? PCR tests will pick up almost anything at 40-45 cycles.

430524 LMS2, 9, #731 of 1890 🔗


Tucker Carlson: the sudden change of the Anglosphere nations, and European countries, into authoritarian police states. Includes Canada and UK.

430540 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 10, #732 of 1890 🔗

That is not to say I don’t think it’s legitimate to disagree about whether the social and economic costs of Covid measures are “worth it”. Or indeed about whether compulsory measures or recommendations should have been adopted. Neither of those issues are fundamentally scientific ones.

Spot on! But did that stop you going on the evening news every other week to hold forth on what ought to be done?

To be fair to Ferguson he is by no means the worst for this, but far, far too often these scientists want to have it both ways. They effectively want to dictate policy without getting the all-round fundamentally political scrutiny that comes with that (or ought to). And the politicians are as much to blame for the monster they’ve created, by stating early on that they were going to be “led by the science”.

430552 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mattghg, 10, #733 of 1890 🔗

A back of the fag packet calculation of risk for 5 minutes has proved better than the shit he has produced. The same goes for the rest of SAGE (Sage and Onion more like).

Basic risk: Did you really think 500,000 were going to die because of a respiratory disease with an IFR of 1%? You think you may want to confirm that before hitting the panic button. An IRF of 1% for a more or less the whole population and not like a group of vunerable people?

The Diamond Princess didn’t have these issues.

Ferguson’s figure became the narrative for the last year. So he is directly responsible and should be fired.

430596 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to mhcp, 4, #734 of 1890 🔗

Fired? He should be hung, drawn and quartered in public!!

430923 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to mattghg, #735 of 1890 🔗

When he’s spot on it’s about something he is not providing information which governs our lives on. When he’s wrong is when he is.

430542 Sam Vimes, 11, #736 of 1890 🔗

Leaked image of actual model used for Bunter’s roadmap:

430543 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #737 of 1890 🔗

I’m going to hazard a guess but when a FOI answers ays this phrase “XXX can confirm that it does not hold the information in the way suggested in your request.” what it really means is that they do have the information, I’ve just a seed for it in the wrong way with the wrong wording or phrasing.

Any other suggestions?

430567 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #738 of 1890 🔗

Please send me the requested information in the way you do hold it?

430579 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #739 of 1890 🔗

They’re taking the piss in the same way Stella Rimington did when she described Roger Windsor as “Never an agent in any sense of the word that you can possibly imagine.” Sir Humphrey’s chums like their little in-jokes.

430550 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 21, #740 of 1890 🔗

My take on yesterday’s announcement is this: they’re promising, in their calculation, as little as possible in order to head off the threat of mass non-compliance. For my part, the timing of the easing of restrictions is by far of secondary importance in comparison to what’s going to be left when all this is “over”: vaccination certification and discrimination, mass testing, and mass surveillance (track ‘n trace) indefinitely. They’re barely even hiding it any more.

430556 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mattghg, 16, #741 of 1890 🔗

Yes exactly right, it is what is left afterwards and there should be more focus from TY and those writing ATL on this, rather than trite headlines about when we can go to the pub

430570 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Julian, 15, #742 of 1890 🔗

I completely agree. If I knew with 100% certainty that I was going to get my 2019 freedoms back, in full, then I wouldn’t much care if it was in March, July or even December.* But I just don’t see it happening ever .

* If I ran a business that had been assaulted by all this totalitarianism then I would feel differently, of course.

430566 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to mattghg, 14, #743 of 1890 🔗

Yes, resistance needs to redouble now.

430582 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ovis, 11, #744 of 1890 🔗

It is doing … 😉

430581 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to mattghg, 2, #745 of 1890 🔗

Try who’s going to be left, and you will be closer.

430585 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mattghg, 4, #746 of 1890 🔗

Already making plans to claim my refugee status
just need a bit of brownface and a dinghy

430558 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 19, #747 of 1890 🔗

Sweden and Florida. The elephant’s in the room. Case closed.

430571 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #748 of 1890 🔗

Also Armenia, Belarus, Tanzania. Plenty more examples.

430597 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Chicot, 4, #749 of 1890 🔗

I think given they are Westernised and considered reliable they are always the two I select when discussing with normies.

430569 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #751 of 1890 🔗

Paul Craig Roberts is always worth reading.

430584 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 14, #752 of 1890 🔗

Masks on Kids

I am sure this has been raised before but the wearing of facemasks by children in classrooms is surely governed by the HSE limits on carbon dioxide exposure. The current limits for long durations (8 hours) is 5000ppm. There is a calculation for durations less than this on the HSE website. But here is the link…


Further to this, a study performed in October 2020 shows the levels of CO2 whilst wearing various types of mask whilst sitting at a desk, walking slowly, and walking quickly. All valid for a classroom environment I think! It also shows that any levels above 1000ppm cause headaches, fatigue etc etc. See the link below….


Perhaps someone much cleverer than me could work out how much ppm a pupil would be inhaling over the course of a school day.

Maybe using the HSE argument is a way through this???

430591 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 11, #753 of 1890 🔗

That could be a way but I don’t know much about H&S law. Someone needs reminding of this too:

“But not in the classrooms because that is clearly nonsensical – you can’t teach with face coverings; you can’t expect people to learn with face coverings.”

Boris Johnson (August 2020)

430616 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Redundant Pilot, 16, #754 of 1890 🔗

Thanks RP

Great to hear James Delingpole just now on London calling being so strident on the issue. PCR Claims are also getting their act together finally.

My wife is currently on furlough from one of her jobs which is in a beauty clinic. In the Autumn she had to wear a mask for long periods of time when treating clients (only able to take it off in the lunch area or in the reception if no customers are there). She has repeatedly complained of migraines and feeling confused/brain fog.

I’m no doctor but from what she describes it’s pretty obvious that wearing it for hours at a time is bringing on mild symptoms of Hypoxia.

Needless to say, I won’t be consenting for our son (Y8) nor for testing either.

Kindest regards


430622 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #755 of 1890 🔗

Most UK schools are riddled with asbestos (easily displaced by pinning stuff to the wall). This is well known in govt and local yet they do nothing. They couldn’t give a shit. A couple of hundred teachers have died from mesothelioma in the past decade. Hospitals too. There have many law suits recently from doctors re mesothelioma. Tower blocks are clad with killer shit. Just saying, they don’t give a flying fuck about any of it.

430843 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to neilhartley, 1, #756 of 1890 🔗

I remember our School being closed for almost a year whilst asbestos was removed in the 80’s. All Classes were in portacabins on the playground. I remember for about a week it was so cold we were sitting in these things with frost comming out of our mouths, hats gloves, the lot. Nobody learnt anything during that time.

They were teaching with the windows wide open before lockdown (lostcount), Child abuse comes to mind. The psychopaths in charge don’t care as we’ll be dead in a few years time.

430587 leggy, replying to leggy, 18, #757 of 1890 🔗

Though this was a reasonable analogy:

A property company has built millions of new homes. They have convinced the local council that they are safe and the council are in turn using all their marketing prowess to convince you to buy one. However, the houses come with no guarantees, no safety certificates and you can’t get insurance for them, apart from the £120,000 flat payment that the council will pay you if the house falls down and it can be proved to be the fault of the property company. Do you buy the house for you and your family?

Oh, forgot to mention. The property company have also, over the years, paid out billions of $’s in compensation for fraud.

430663 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to leggy, 3, #758 of 1890 🔗

like that analogy

430678 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to leggy, #759 of 1890 🔗

Who is stopping them selling such houses?

430602 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #760 of 1890 🔗

“16Education. 2020;20:100138. doi:10.1016/j.tine.2020.100138


Still later, two studies pointed out the likelihood that babies are significantly harmed by general masking practices. Especially, the 22 September 2020 study of Green et al. alerted us to “potential negative effects of masks on long-term development related to human connection and attachment”: →

“Abstract: … COVID-19 has changed the way that newborn babies are cared for within the neonatal setting due to the introduction of social distancing and wearing of face masks to limit the spread of the infection. Potential implications exist related to the normal development of bonding and connections with others. This paper discusses the importance of face to face interactions for early attachment between babies and parents within the context of relevant underpinning developmental theory. …

”[26] 2021–Green : Green, Janet et al. “The implications of face masks for babies and families during the COVID-19 pandemic: A discussion paper”. Journal of neonatal nursing: JNN vol. 27,1 (2021): 21-25. doi:10.1016/j.jnn.2020.10.005 -https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7598570/Likewise, on 11 February 2021, Lewkowicz pointed out the following about language acquisition by babies:→

“…the COVID pandemic has laid bare our fundamental need to see whole faces. Could it be that babies and young children, who must learn the meaning of the myriad communicative signals normally available in their social partners’ faces, are especially vulnerable to their degradation in partially visible faces? … in my lab … We discovered that babies begin lip-reading at around 8 months of age. … Crucially, once lip-reading emerges in infancy, it becomes the default mode of speech processing whenever comprehension is difficult.

…Overall, the research to date demonstrates that the visible articulations that babies normally see when others are talking play a key role in their acquisition of communication skills. Research also shows that babies who lip-read more have better language skills when they’re older. If so, this suggests that masks probably hinder babies’ acquisition of speech and language.”[27]

2021–Lewkowicz : “Masks Can Be Detrimental to Babies’ Speech and Language Development”. David J. Lewkowic. Scientific American. Cogntion, Opinion. 11 February 2021. –

As quoted by Rancourt in:


430676 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to rockoman, 1, #761 of 1890 🔗

You can cover them in a mountain of research, they don’t care!

430901 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheClone, #762 of 1890 🔗

It’s all evidence for their trial.
Bozo, Wankok and a lot of the other criminals have young children of their own. What do they see when they looks in a child’s eyes these days?

431105 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to rockoman, #763 of 1890 🔗

I am always wondering about babies in strict muslim countries. Yes, the mothers are likely to spend a lot of time at home, where she is not veiled, but likely in a setting where it is stressful.
I am reminded of this a lot when seeing charity appeals on tv.

430604 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #764 of 1890 🔗


They are coming for you. Masks rescued all sorts of illness and are here to stay.

430611 BeBopRockSteady, 17, #765 of 1890 🔗

Update from Gary Dempsey

He’s opening his gym regardless of the new rules in Ireland. He’s getti G a lot of traction now and he’s fully on board with the scepticism. It’s not about a virus anymore to him. See Richie Allen last night


430613 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #766 of 1890 🔗


Finally the MSM in Ireland agreeing to publish a pro-Vitamin D story.

430672 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #767 of 1890 🔗

I’ve been taking it for the first time in my life since last summer. I revealed this to my family on Saturday and I’m a conspiracy theorist. The vaccines is the only way out. I am beyond caring at this point.

430627 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #768 of 1890 🔗

Boris’s painfully slow exit strategy will squander any economic recovery advantage the vaccine roll out gained us. People will start to wonder what the point is.

End lockdown now.


430785 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Victoria, 1, #769 of 1890 🔗

They do not want an economic recovery

430633 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #770 of 1890 🔗

So does the vaccine work or not?

 Either it DOESN’T work, in which case stop saying it’s our “route out”, or it DOES work, in which case begin easing the lockdown restrictions now and end them all within weeks, not months.

It’s one or the other. It can’t be both.


430639 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 22, #771 of 1890 🔗

People have criticised JHB at times, possibly with some justification, but as an MSM journalist making very telling points very clearly and strongly, she has done a lot better than most of the rest

430640 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Julian, 12, #772 of 1890 🔗

She is more a benefit than a detriment

430658 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 1, #773 of 1890 🔗

Of course it can be both at the same time, and many other things to

430671 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Victoria, 4, #774 of 1890 🔗

hahaha, it’s not whether is working or not, it’s about vaxx passports and forever lockdowns.

430768 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 4, #775 of 1890 🔗

Depressing reading the comments, from that tweet. They ignore the stats and keep baging on about models and without lockdown we’re all gonna die. God you have my permission to start all over again. Can you just get rid of all these zealots first so we can have one last supper in peace before taking us as well.

430637 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #776 of 1890 🔗

Do I have this straight? Is it like the entire collective of “Western governments” – UK, US, Canada, Australia, NZ, all of Europe, etc. are like The Nazi Party? Are MPs like those party members who were just “following orders”? Should we all write and express this to our MPs? If they give the government an extension of powers on 31st March they are knowingly complicit in an authoritarian takeover, right? No more excuses!

430654 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 9, #777 of 1890 🔗

It seems to be one huge interview process among them for the top positions in the Great Reset.

431045 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #778 of 1890 🔗

Indeed – the thought occurred to me.

430896 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #779 of 1890 🔗

Answers: yes, yes, yes, and yes.

430641 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 8, #780 of 1890 🔗

Ah well, nothing to see here then. Move along…..

430664 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bigade, 8, #781 of 1890 🔗

These people are traitors. No link to the vaccine, but the deaths with covid being shouted by the press – absolute lies!

430722 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bigade, 5, #782 of 1890 🔗

‘Majority elderly or had underlying ilness’ – so, it’s not the vaccine, then. ‘Temporal association’* – perhaps within 28 days, hmmm? But it’s not the vaccine. You couldn’t make this up – but they just did.

  • and write in fucking English, you lying twats.
430642 Cecil B, 12, #783 of 1890 🔗

So the dictatorships chief snitch and all round turd is to circle back on vaccine passports

Wonder which way that will go

430646 alw, 29, #784 of 1890 🔗

JHB and so many others in the limelight complaining ‘I’ve done everything you asked and still we are locked down’. Trumpeting the vaccine for halting a seasonal virus when it is too early to confirm without any definitive evidence. Time for them to say no more masks, we are not complying, etc, etc, millions will follow. Mass civil disobedience should be the order of the day.

430647 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 18, #785 of 1890 🔗

So, that’s it. My Dad has had enough of me now. My scepticism and willingness to question the narrative makes me delusional and irresponsible. It was on the cards for a while but I am still absolutely gutted.

430653 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to GuyRich, 17, #786 of 1890 🔗

He’s still your dad. It’s nor our job to sane the mad. Suggest drop the subject and remain close to your dad

You may need each other in the future

430719 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Cecil B, 6, #787 of 1890 🔗

I’m still fuming at the things he said and can’t see through the red mist.

430660 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to GuyRich, 9, #788 of 1890 🔗

Hopefully he’ll come round to your way of thinking at some point. It doesn’t always happen when we are pushing for it, but you have sown seeds and they may just grow in a while.

430667 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to GuyRich, 16, #789 of 1890 🔗

I agree with Cecil B, I had a animated conversation with my mum on the phone yesterday, especially when she told me lockdowns work. I sent her the link with the 31 scientific papers that prove they don’t work….anyway, he is your Dad and if something were to happen you’d hate that you weren’t talking. See if he will accept a truce, and bite your tongue like we all have to it seems. But I do feel for you, it seems we are all an island in a raging sea and no one else wants to join us on our island but would rather drown than to be seen to ask questions. Crappy analogy, sorry 🙂

430704 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GuyRich, 4, #790 of 1890 🔗

Ask him if he’s taking Vitamin D, a conspiracy theory of course

430766 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to GuyRich, 7, #791 of 1890 🔗

Had similar problems with my mum. I’m trying not to let it drive a wedge between us because it’s what the government want – they want us to be divided and they want to tear families apart because an atomised society is easier to control.

431031 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 2, #792 of 1890 🔗


430649 BeBopRockSteady, 2, #793 of 1890 🔗
430655 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #794 of 1890 🔗

Even ONS admitting mortality back to normal level in Wales (although I would argue it has been normal throughout the Winter typical of a harsh but not untypical Winter)

Deaths registered in England and Wales, provisional: week ending 12 February 2021

In Wales, the total number of registered deaths in Week 6 was 31 higher than the five-year average but within the range of 2015 to 2019 deaths for Week 6; total deaths in Wales have decreased by 143 in Week 6.

Given that Wales have been slower with their experimental vaccination programme, must be surprising to the vaccine over-confident (albeit not to me) that they are back to 2015-2019 mortality.

430688 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #795 of 1890 🔗

It is an interesting question as to what constitutes acceptable as far as deaths are concerned? Several times recently i have heard commentators ask the question, if we are going to live with this virus what is the acceptable level of deaths? and of course nobody will give a straight answer as much of the public are horrified at any death and so any suggestion of acceptable deaths is avoided. But this hoo-haa has moved us into a new area of mandatory and legal action in the interests of public health and so the question of acceptable deaths needs to be addressed.
I wonder if we need some sort of public health version of the Office for Budget Responsibility to consider the matter and come up with some threshold figures? In my view no draconian mandatory public health measures should ever even be considered unless weekly UK deaths go above 20,000 for sudden and inexplicable reasons.

430713 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #796 of 1890 🔗

Yes. Good suggestion.

Obviously that doesn’t mean you do act when it is over 20,000 (given that lockdowns don’t seem to reduce direct deaths but do cause indirect deaths).

But ruling it out completely below 20,000 is a way of stopping overreaction.

430892 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #797 of 1890 🔗

During the Cold War, Western military leaders talked placidly about ‘acceptable numbers of megadeaths’ in the event of a nuclear strike.

430659 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 8, #798 of 1890 🔗

I wish someone would ask Neil Ferguson about the assumptions built into their modelling: equal susceptibility, no seasonality, no prior immunity for example.

430668 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bill Hickling, 6, #799 of 1890 🔗

hahaha, nobody will ask him anything, he will not ever pay for this mess and most probably will get a lordship for his services in destroying this country.

430733 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheClone, 2, #800 of 1890 🔗

1000 yuan have been deposited in your account for the correct answer

430673 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #801 of 1890 🔗

Exactly, these seem to be completely taboo subjects now. Everything we are hearing is about lockdowns working and how wonderful the fully tested and certified vaccines are. No mention at all about fact that numbers are falling because it’s the normal end of winter bug season and only very small hints that anyone could possibly be immune without being vaccinated.

430737 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to dpj, 2, #802 of 1890 🔗

No mention at all about fact that numbers are falling because it’s the normal end of winter bug season

This is so important. And so obvious. And those that were not going to survive the winter have already died. Are they seriously not including this factor in their statistics?

430752 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #803 of 1890 🔗

I think all of his models coding and assumptions need to be independently reviewed, by real computer scientists, insurance risk assessors and real programmers and a full report made public, to avoid a completely unqualified (in this field) person like Ferguson EVER being given the change to fuck up like this again

430758 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to iansn, 3, #804 of 1890 🔗

He’s been using the industry standard MSU* methodology, so his models should all be perfectly acceptable to the academic community.

*ᴍᴀᴋɪɴɢ sʜɪᴛ ᴜᴘ

430665 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #805 of 1890 🔗

Good news: they’re queueing up to use the benches!

430670 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to kh1485, 9, #806 of 1890 🔗

Is that people or the local mutts?

430674 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steeve, 5, #807 of 1890 🔗

Ha ha, both! (Police: only joking!)

430709 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to kh1485, #808 of 1890 🔗

Plenty of one to one picnics in local country park

430679 Lindy, replying to Lindy, 32, #809 of 1890 🔗

And so it begins

Just received an unacceptable letter from the CEO of my mother’s care home who are not only insisting on “vaccinations” for all staff (with few exceptions, unions are challenging) and residents (although they are kind enough to allow them to stay for the time being) BUT FOR THE DESIGNATED VISITOR.

Whatever your view on vaccines, this a clear overreach and must be I’m so angry I don’t know where to begin so won’t, I did however fill in the survey and did not hold back.

Someone please tell me I’m not overreacting

430683 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Lindy, 17, #810 of 1890 🔗

That’s appalling. You are not overreacting at all.

430708 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #811 of 1890 🔗

Thank you

430684 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Lindy, 12, #812 of 1890 🔗

No definitely not overreacting. I’d be absolutely furious.

430710 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to fiery, 1, #813 of 1890 🔗

Thank you

430686 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Lindy, 11, #814 of 1890 🔗

Oh my god, I’m really angry for you. Think a response quoting the Nuremberg convention and highlight certain pertinent sections of said Convention. Disgusting. Can you move your mother to another care home? If enough did this they soon be out of business.

430703 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #815 of 1890 🔗

I’m 200 miles away and sibling is primary carer (and has PoA) who will likely be fine with it all as was disappointed not to be on priority list.

It wasn’t easy getting her a home, we had to go outside the area she lived to get one.

Lets see, but can’t help this might get adopted for all care homes

430748 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Lindy, 10, #816 of 1890 🔗

We are still part of the Council of Europe, created following WW2, with 43 countries as signatories. The Council of Europe is directly linked to the European Court of Human Rights.

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), recently passed Resolution 2361.

Of interest to you would be the following passages from that resolution:

7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated , if they do not wish to do so themselves;

7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated , due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;

So it might be worth gently mentioning to them that they are leaving themselves wide open to a challenge in the European Court of Human Rights.

This is the link to the resolution on the official PACE site:


430882 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #817 of 1890 🔗

Why does this not destroy the case for a vaccine passport, at least so far as travel to, and accommodation, in European countries?
Don’t we have an attorney general that can rule on this matter? The present incumbent seems to have a decent background , including time in European establishments , so the ECHR will not be unfamiliar to her.

430928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to mikewaite, #818 of 1890 🔗

The problem is that these resolutions are not legally binding off the bat. They should set the standards that the ECHR applies, but that needs to be tested in court.

430691 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Lindy, 16, #819 of 1890 🔗

It all comes down to the new way of thinking, ‘it’s for others not yourself’ ie masks, vaccines and you’re selfish if you don’t comply.
Vaccines, if they work, only protect the person being vaccinated if the particular disease is too strong for their immune system.
In past years we’ve never restricted movements of people who didn’t get flu vaccine as we only gave it to those who actually needed it and others were seen as no threat.
This is all complete madness that seems to only be happening to boost big pharma profits.

430729 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to dpj, 5, #820 of 1890 🔗

Yes that’s exactly what it is and it’s hard to argue against without seeming like a selfish non team player. Just had all that from a fairly sceptic friend who think vaccines work best if everyone gets them and so won’t avoid the callup. Dispiriting stuff.

430743 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 11, #821 of 1890 🔗

Seems to be the normal way to coerce people to comply these days.

It’s always the “protect others” angle, not the “this offers you protection”. Been used for Lockdowns, Mandatory masking, now vaccines.

Am I selfish if I adopt a Rhett Butler stance and say “frankly, I don’t give a damn” about anyone else?

430852 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Alan P, 6, #822 of 1890 🔗

I genuinely don’t give a damn about anyone else now. My fucks given with society are now zero.

430889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #823 of 1890 🔗

You think the zombies give a damn about anybody but rhemselves?

430907 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Annie, #824 of 1890 🔗

I know they don’t. I’ve always been the dangerous Tory in my group. Funny that I am the one worried about all the collateral damage.

431016 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #825 of 1890 🔗


430697 ▶▶ alw, replying to Lindy, 9, #826 of 1890 🔗

You need to remind them of their responsibilities under the equal opportunities act 2010 and also say you will be taking legal advice.

430698 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Lindy, 6, #827 of 1890 🔗

You’re not overreacting. Perhaps it’s worth pointing out the recent Council Of Europe resolution to them:


7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:

7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;

7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;

430701 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Lindy, 3, #828 of 1890 🔗

You are not over-reacting – far from it. Give them all barrels.

A related issue, Mrs TJN asked me if she should be prepared to take a LF test if asked when going to the doctor’s with one of our little ones, as she won’t be wearing a mask.

For myself, I would be quite happy to take such a one-off non-invasive test under these circumstances – simply because I envisage that it might have some benefit, in reducing risk to vulnerable people, as supported by actual science.

There’s a parallel with a care home visit here.

430725 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to TJN, 1, #829 of 1890 🔗

As I understand it, that’s the protocol. PPE plus negative LFT. Already happening as I have a friend who had parent in care home and he has visitor following that protocol.

Sounds practical and reasonable

430770 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lindy, 2, #830 of 1890 🔗

I think the LFT is reasonable – don’t know about PPE. You want to see and touch your loved one. So what’s the point of PPE?

Good luck – face them down. Often these people will cave when confronted, especially when presented with official guidelines which support your case.

430769 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lindy, 2, #831 of 1890 🔗

I think you’re right not to hold back because this is appalling!!!

431012 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lindy, -2, #832 of 1890 🔗

I am so furious I have just strangled a kitten.

430681 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 6, #833 of 1890 🔗

The moron-in-charge is following the science. Do you really believe that clown could understand the science?

430692 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to TheClone, 4, #834 of 1890 🔗

Science is the new religion

430723 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to pvenkman, 3, #835 of 1890 🔗

Has been since global cooling greenhouse effect
global warming climate change Gretamania

430734 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #836 of 1890 🔗

Don’t forget acid rain. I remember being told at school in the 1980s we were literally all going to melt.

430816 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #837 of 1890 🔗

Every promise of armageddon seems to end in disappointment.

430886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #838 of 1890 🔗

The trees were all going to die.

431010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Edward, 1, #839 of 1890 🔗

“turn on, tune in, burn out in the acid rain”

431189 ▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #840 of 1890 🔗

I was told global cooling was a fact, and that for some reason the US Air Force should firebomb the Arctic and melt it…..then a few years later confident assertions that New York City would be under water in 1995….etc etc.

430707 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to TheClone, 3, #841 of 1890 🔗

However all his advice does come from professionals.

431089 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steeve, #842 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I am waiting for someone to complain about the use of clown in regard to someone who is not very bright (intellectually) and explain what being a clown involves, more than blowing bubbles, making balloon animals and dress in bright colours and oversized shoes.

430685 isobar, 25, #843 of 1890 🔗

More lockdown scepticism from DM readers

Britain’s coronavirus lockdown is one of the toughest in the WORLD with Ireland the only stricter Western nation, study reveals

Best rated comment: 480 upticks 25 downticks

‘The toughest lockdown in the world and the fifth highest death toll (if the numbers are to be believed) from Covid. Something has gone terribly wrong somewhere, and we’ve not even begun to address the enormous number of cancelled operations, and the damage done to physical and mental health, children’s education, and to the economy.’

430693 TJN, replying to TJN, 6, #844 of 1890 🔗

Four technical questions, if anyone can help.

First, the two ‘vaccines’, Pfizer and AstraZeneca. John001 last week posted links to US sites showing that their Phase 3 trials end in January and February 2023 respectively. Does that apply to the UK? Hence, would I be correct in stating that as applying to here?

Second, I understand these two ‘vaccines’ are currently covered by emergency licensing by the MHRA. Does this licensing have a time limit, and if so when?

Third, am I correct in thinking that most vaccines fail at Phase 3?

Fourth, what (if anything) is the difference between Antibody Dependent Enhancement and Pathogenic Priming?

Thanks if anyone can help, as I want to be confident of my ground here.

430700 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TJN, #845 of 1890 🔗

See here for details on clinical trial dates. Yes, UK too.


430705 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #846 of 1890 🔗

Thanks – that’s the same link as John001, but you are confident it applies here?

430883 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to TJN, 1, #847 of 1890 🔗

Not sure if I first cited those. Maybe from someone else … if so thanks to the finder.

430966 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to John001, #848 of 1890 🔗

I copied the links from your post, and wanted to credit someone. So thanks to you or whoever.

430730 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TJN, 5, #849 of 1890 🔗

Your point 2 – the emergency use approval states specific batch numbers between specific dates that can be used.

No other batch numbers other than those listed in the EUA are allowed.

It was in a FOI answer I got back and that included this link:



Look at the documents “Conditions for Authorisation”.

430731 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #850 of 1890 🔗
430777 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Awkward Git, #851 of 1890 🔗


430763 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #852 of 1890 🔗

Many thanks, and for these documents. So the emergency licensing is tighter than I imagined.

430803 ▶▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to TJN, 6, #853 of 1890 🔗

Currently we are witnessing an uncontrolled trial, but without informed consent.

Its my belief that the lack of informed consent will be huge problem for the authorities come the day of reckoning.

People are just being herded into vaccination hubs like cattle

430813 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lindy, 4, #854 of 1890 🔗

The nub of my argument for which I’m assuring myself with the questions I’m asking above.

And I’m having this discussion with someone responsible for giving jabs. They don’t seem to be aware that ‘ we are witnessing an uncontrolled trial, but without informed consent.’

430836 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TJN, 2, #855 of 1890 🔗

This may help you, has good links in the article as well


431021 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, #856 of 1890 🔗

That’s great thanks AG – covers some points I’ve been discussing elsewhere today, with friends and family – particularly that no medical professional has the right to say you should have a jab ‘for the greater good’.

All logged for future use – i.e. when I get my covid jab call (which I’m wondering whether my GP will actually send me, after my recent correspondence with them).

In my view, the medical establishment is going to suffer the same sort of, although worse, reputational collapse as the bankers after 2009.

431079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to TJN, 1, #857 of 1890 🔗

There was an article, probably unable to find now, from the Israel Ethics committee, they wanted the govt to acknowledge that the programme in Israel is a clinical trial, as they have a contract with Pfizer to supply data.
They had to change their wording after pressure from the government.
But yes, legally it is a Phase 3 clinical trial, as it is not fully licensed. There was an Austrian lawyer on a debate which I saw on YT. She specialises in European law with re to vaccines and she said this is a clinical trial and everyone needs to be made aware AND they need to be informed they have a legal obligation to report side effects.

431132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Silke David, #858 of 1890 🔗

Indeed, it that this is still a clinical trial is being conveniently swept under the carpet here. And Liar Johnson is talking of bringing in vaccine passports for domestic use – that is out-and-out coercion.

He needs to go to jail.

If you do recall that link I’d be interested (I seen this afternoon’s tweet by PCRclaims).

430830 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to TJN, 4, #859 of 1890 🔗

It’s not the free for all that is commonly thought, no carte blanche to do what they want and it can be changed or cancelled at any time – hopefully MHRA will wake up and start questioning the adverse reaction data if enough pressure can be applied.

Does not do away with the fact that they are still unlicensed though and have not finished safety studies nor do they have full marketing approval.

Anyone on here going for a jab?

Check the bottle and confirm the batch numbers and dates match the EUA – if not kick up merry hell.

430775 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Awkward Git, #860 of 1890 🔗

Logged for reference. Thanks

430736 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to TJN, 2, #861 of 1890 🔗

All good stuff, thanks gents.

430694 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #862 of 1890 🔗

Derived from data from ONS Deaths Registered in England and Wales publication

All cause mortality coming down in all areas. Winter looks to be over mortality wise.

430728 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #863 of 1890 🔗

Nearly 2000 fewer deaths in week 6 than the previous week. Completely normal progression as winter ends.

430866 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #864 of 1890 🔗

To quote the Smiths

I know it’s over, but it never really began

430711 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 22, #865 of 1890 🔗

Slow day today so just mooching.

Mrs Awkward getting good at spotting things now, just told me that she’s been watching lose Women while knitting and it looks like Ruth langsford was stopped in her tracks and given a warning via her earpice as she started with something along the lines of “we were promised to be freed from lockdown when granny was vaccinated so why it it not happening” and she stopped and it was never mentioned again by any of the panel.

Mrs Awkward said it was pretty obvious what happened.

ITV shit scared of the OFCOM warning then.

But no official narrative or agenda or media control is tehre?

430715 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #866 of 1890 🔗

These celebrities need to be shunned once we have won. They need to have their heads shaved and spat on in public humiliation.

431007 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FedupofLies, #867 of 1890 🔗
430849 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, #868 of 1890 🔗

Didn’t she have her dose last week?

430716 Bart Simpson, 60, #869 of 1890 🔗

Overheard at Waitrose today:

Two men in their 70s talking about the vaccine

Bloke #1: Have you had your vaccine?

Bloke #2: No, I refused as I have vertigo and I told my GP that I’m not going to have poison injected into my body. What about you?

Bloke #1: I declined too.

Bloke #2: Why?

Bloke #1: I told my GP that I don’t want that experimental thing injected into my body. He can come back to me in 10-15 years’ time.

430717 Portnadler, replying to Portnadler, 18, #870 of 1890 🔗

Are we to assume that every single one of our 630-odd MPs is going to have the vaccine? Has anyone said that they might or will not? Is it going to stay a private matter? Is any one of them likely to speak out?

Will there be anyone left to speak for us?

430742 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Portnadler, 9, #871 of 1890 🔗

I have the most uncomfortable feeling the vaccine is just for the plebs as will be the vaccine certificate/passport.

430744 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #872 of 1890 🔗

It might be a feeling now but it will become a certainty by autumn, the latest!

430720 Jonny S., 5, #873 of 1890 🔗

The letter has a couple of typos in it, obviously rushed out, but a good basis for the fight against masking in school.


430735 isobar, replying to isobar, 9, #874 of 1890 🔗

The ‘Jabbernaut’ is slowing down.
‘Row erupts as Pfizer slaps down Matt Hancock’s claim that supply issues are to blame for slowest ever vaccination day on Sunday after the Health Secretary warns of a quieter week because of ‘ups and downs’ in deliveries’

Some interesting best rated comments, clearly some sceptical people out there.

430757 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to isobar, 1, #875 of 1890 🔗

It’s the go-to by incompetent people

Saves having to sort out the shit they’ve created.

Its what keeps getting rammed down our throats re LDs. “High case numbers” because of the rule breakers so let’s have more rules, never a thought that it’s the LDs and testing that are the problem.

Amongst many things, they are unable to do even basic root cause analysis.

430808 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Lindy, #876 of 1890 🔗

That’s been the case from the start, incompetence personified

430762 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to isobar, 11, #877 of 1890 🔗

Surely the vaccination programme will slow down soon as most of the vulnerable will have been vaccinated. The government may have a harder job convincing younger/healthier people to have it.

430780 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Poppy, 7, #878 of 1890 🔗

Younger generations skew far more heavily to ethnic minorites percentage-wise too, which will probably be a factor.

430804 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Poppy, 8, #879 of 1890 🔗

I would think so. Also the target group now is probably much more social media aware and may have caught on to the side effect stories and doing their own risk benefit analysis

430881 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to isobar, 3, #880 of 1890 🔗

Also ‘just imagine, you too could have our magical vax & stay locked up for another 4-odd months!’ isn’t a great sell!

430842 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 3, #881 of 1890 🔗

They’ll just chuck in some more fear – “new variant, particularly affecting younger people…” Or maybe that’s how they’ll bring in the completely new virus. Then again, they can always do a bit of marketing: “Younger people are more resistant, so IF they’ve had their jab, they will be able to travel…”

430868 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #882 of 1890 🔗

That’s where Jab for Job comes in plus exhortations to Play Their Part and not Kill Granny. This is Behavioural Psych 101 for the wicked SPI-B members. So far they are hitting every ball out of the park.

430824 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to isobar, 5, #883 of 1890 🔗

Not seen anyone other than staff at the vaccination centres I’ve driven past in recent weeks.

They are also seeming to put them in out of the way places now that do not have drive-by possibilities – but not seen anyone turing into these dead end car parks yet either.

430860 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #884 of 1890 🔗

That does seem a bit strange, as is the experience of my wife and I regarding being offered the jab. 3 weeks ago we both had a text from our local GP practice recommending that we book a jab at our centralised local jabbing centre. As we both decided to wait until a) more safety information becomes available and b) the advert of (hopefully) non gene therapy jabs we didn’t follow up on the texts. Then a week later we both got our ‘call up’ papers from the NHS, which for the same reasons we also ignored. Since then no contact at all from anyone, certainly not the hassle that some others seem to have had.

430957 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #885 of 1890 🔗

Have gone past 3 different vaccine centres and they’ve all been dead.

Ditto testing centres, walked past one the other day and the staff were simply chatting to each other.

431146 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bart Simpson, #886 of 1890 🔗

One last week told me they had done 4 tests all day and they were bored.

430741 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #887 of 1890 🔗

I haven’t smoked for 30 years so imagine my shock at discovering a packet of 20 costs over £13 😵 The last time I bought a pack of cigs they cost less than £2. They’ll becoming for the alcohol next.

430745 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #888 of 1890 🔗

I smoked a bit in my mid 20s. I’m thinking of taking it up again just to piss off a health fascist.

430749 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #889 of 1890 🔗

I gave up when I was eleven.

430751 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #890 of 1890 🔗

As regards alcohol, those plans have been in place a while. Thus spake the anthropologist (nine years ago!):

Unlike any other global-health body, the World Health Organization (WHO) can create legally binding conventions, and it only requires a two-thirds majority vote to do so. Yet this power is vastly underused. In more than 60 years, this United Nations agency has produced only two major treaties: the International Health Regulations, which require countries to report certain disease outbreaks and public-health events; and the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which commits governments to making legislative moves to reduce the demand for, and supply of, tobacco. The WHO has shown a reluctance to use hard legal instruments. Instead, it tries to influence societal norms through guidelines and recommendations 1 . This is a major missed opportunity.

 Now is the time for the WHO to take a bold step and move towards a third treaty to protect world health. There is an obvious target. About 2.5 million deaths a year, almost 4% of all deaths worldwide, are attributed to alcohol — more than the number of deaths caused by HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis or malaria 2 . Alcohol consumption is the world’s third-largest risk factor for health burden; in middle-income countries, which constitute almost half of the world’s population, it is the greatest risk (see ‘Health burdens’).


430794 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #891 of 1890 🔗

I gave up about the same time, thanks to the flu (remember that). Giving up smoking was easy as I’d done it hundreds of times. I got the flu and it was painful to breath let allow smoke so I was forced to stop. It took me 6 months to be “safe” to go to the pub without wanting a fag.

430832 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bella Donna, #892 of 1890 🔗

Yikes. I quit in 2005 when a 20-pack cost £5 – £7 depending on the brand.

430747 wendyk, 7, #893 of 1890 🔗


Excellent article ,which dissects Dr Strangelove’s pandemic modelling , written by an IT expert.

I still want to know why Famous Ferguson continues to wield such influence.

Secondly, a brief encounter yesterday with batty neighbour who lives with her creepy son in what resembles an airless tomb- all windows and blinds permanently closed-Pscho/ Adams Family.

Yesterday was a glorious sunny harbinger of spring, which has now been replaced by gusts of 60mph, bins all over the place and gutters littered with detritus.

So, batty neighbour returned from shopping outing, in the fresh air and sunshine, wearing black gag which reached up to her eyes.

She mumbled a greeting, then entered her airless tomb, where the mask was removed.

I still can’t get my head round this mindless behaviour: in the fresh mild air, one wears a gag; why?

They’re all doing this now.

Finally I think that the Sturgeonator is significantly afflicted by PADS- Power Addicted Derangement Syndrome.

The EU flag is now flown daily at Holyrood while the Union Jack has been demoted to a once yearly appearance.

Add to this, the cult’s obsession with trans ,the growing Salmond affair revelations and the determination to hold yet another neverendum, while this unhappy divided country falls into greater poverty and indebtedness.

However, see this:


OK, it calls for vaccination, but it puts her on the spot.

430755 danny, 42, #894 of 1890 🔗

School dilemma.

2019- As a teacher I’m made aware of a child who believes they will kill their grandparents if they get near them. They wear masks wherever they go, and wash their hands until they are raw. A few weeks ago they had a cough and so their parents locked them in their room, kept them off school, and left trays of food by the door.
I would be liable for professional misconduct if I do not inform social services.

2021- If they did not do all of the above, the school would send them home.

430756 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #895 of 1890 🔗

I’m holding out – just shred NHS stuff these days. However – unless they develop a sort of passport waiver for those of us who shouldn’t have the needle (anaphylaxis in my case), I may have to have one eventually. I HAVE to go to the USA when I can. Question? Which? rNA changing (Pfizer et al), or old school ‘bits of animals, and metals’ Oxford? Somebody official is going to have to give me an opinion in writing ✍🏻 or an alleviation to travel. So my estate can sue the ass off them.

430765 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #896 of 1890 🔗

Could you borrow Greta’s fibreglass boat and sail?

430829 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Ovis, 2, #897 of 1890 🔗

Fibreglass is a health hazard….. Fiberglass will irritate the eyes, skin, and the respiratory system. Potential symptoms include irritation of eyes, skin, nose, throat, (dyspnea, breathing difficulty); sore throat, hoarseness and cough. Scientific evidence demonstrates that fiberglass is safe to manufacture, install and use when recommended work practices are followed to reduce temporary mechanical irritation. Unfortunately these work practices are not always followed, and fiberglass is often left exposed in basements that later become occupied. Fiberglass insulation should never be left exposed in an occupied area, according to the American Lung Association

And also damaging to the environment, Can someone tell Greta !

430985 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to cloud6, 2, #898 of 1890 🔗

I had a job making fiberglass aeroplanes once, working with it is horrible on wheels. It gets everywhere and it’s itchy, the chemicals you need to work with it are really really nasty and cause all kinds of skin problems. Bits of glass fiber get in your skin and they don’t wash off easily.

Its horrible stuff. Pretty handy however.

431364 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Ovis, #899 of 1890 🔗

The smug-powered one?

430793 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #900 of 1890 🔗

wait for the nasal spray – they will bring it in last minute as a carrot on a stick
keep pushing the PEG allergy

430800 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #901 of 1890 🔗

I am resigned to the idea that eventually I may need a vaccine to facilitate international travel to visit my family. However, i will hang on as long as possible and only go down that route if there is no other way. The current Yellow International vaccination card has an exemption page, I will see whether I can be exempted?
Also you need to note that there are 4 types of vaccine the first 2 types involve RNA stuff these include Pfizer and Astro-Zeneca and if I can i will keep well away from those. But there is one coming along call ‘Novovax’ which I think might be less scary and there are possibly some nasal spay types which I would consider as long as they were OK for travel purposes.

430820 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Steve Martindale, 24, #902 of 1890 🔗

I am in an optimistic mood today, I do not think it will happen, my reasoning countries cannot agree on which “vaccines” are acceptable, so what happens if you have the wrong one for one country but the right one for another?

Nuremburg is the backstop on all of this, no matter which rules and regulations country try and break to insist on vaccine passports, they cannot be made mandatory.

Finally people are not taking the “vaccines” anywhere near the numbers being reported. Economics will eventually kick in if many countries lose revenue from people not travelling there due to not wanting to have a “vaccine”.

430827 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #903 of 1890 🔗

Great post

430990 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #904 of 1890 🔗

I think your right talk of restrictions for “the vaccine” that is not a vaccine and will now stop you getting “it” or spreading “it” is just pure psy-op to drive the jabbs.

430828 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #905 of 1890 🔗

Yes – end of this year MIGHT be fog-clearing time. Counter-intuitively.

430919 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #906 of 1890 🔗

The J&J sounds as ‘normal’ as Novovax and was due to be approved this month (i.e. emergency use). Or I understand the Sputnik is pretty similar to the J&J.

I wonder if Putin has got anywhere near being jabbed …

431043 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to John001, #907 of 1890 🔗

J&J is a vector virus . https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19
Novovax is proven technology. To me Codagenix ,Sinovac and Sinopharm are safer but they aren#t coming to the UK any time soon.

430861 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Banjones, 2, #909 of 1890 🔗

It is democide, a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY of the worst order.

Zuckerberg doesn’t want the Barry Sherman treatment so he goes along with the censorship.

430782 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #912 of 1890 🔗


“As only five cases included in the primary analysis occurred in those who were more than 55 years old, the vaccine efficacy in older age groups could not be assessed but will be determined in future analyses after more cases have accrued in this age range.”

So they still don’t know if helps over 60s people who make uo 95% of deaths.

But its 70% effective for those who are at minimal risk anyway. I just can’t get myself excited at all when they publish this stuff.

430783 duncanpt, replying to duncanpt, 30, #913 of 1890 🔗

From the Government document as quoted in the article:
Living with the virus
196) Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population, but it is more dangerous to vulnerable groups. The Government will ensure the country can live with the virus in the longer-term without imposing restrictions which bear heavy economic, social and health costs. “

Isn’t that the most outrageous first sentence you can imagine? Read it again and then ask yourself why in that case, we have tied everyone down for 12 months and why the Government did not welcome and enact the proposals of the Great Barrington Declaration? Or indeed simply announce last summer that having flattened the sombrero and learned much more about this brand new disease, it could now see that returning to its previous, long considered respiratory pandemic plan was the sensible thing?

Indeed, with that sentence in the document, and with >15 million people vaccinated, it does not or cannot enact GBD right now?

I still have to conclude that the Government is collectively cowardly and unable to lead; that it is still unable to return the nation to anything like normal (in other words, forget June 21st as a date); and that we are doomed to rule by Protector-General Hancock for the foreseeable future. I do not trust them an inch.

430792 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to duncanpt, 5, #914 of 1890 🔗

Living with the virus = living in permanent lockdowns, yearly vaxx and using a vaxx passport.

430963 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to TheClone, 3, #915 of 1890 🔗

Johnson says:
He added that Michael Gove has been tasked with leading a review to thrash out the “scientific, moral, philosophical, ethical” question of whether to introduce vaccination certificates.
“This is an area where we’re looking at a novelty for our country, we haven’t had stuff like this before, we’ve never thought in terms of having something that you have to show to go to a pub or a theatre,” he said.
“There are deep and complex issues that we need to explore, and ethical issues about what the role is for Government in mandating or for people to have such a thing or indeed in banning from people doing such a thing.

Gove! Dear god!
Johnson again;
“We can’t be discriminatory against people who for whatever reason people can’t have the vaccine,” the Prime Minister said.
We’re screwed then!
As Peter Hitchens observed:
(we will be): ‘bargaining for a parody of the freedom (we) used to have’
Want to go to the pub? Let’s see your vaccination document/negative test please!
Football match? Visit a care home? etc etc.

430890 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to duncanpt, 4, #916 of 1890 🔗

Like some strains of flu, COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population…

I often wonder why not one of the journalists at the pressers start a question with, “Professor Whitty, you said on 11th of May last year ‘blah, blah, blah’. Why are you insisting on ‘vaccinating’ everyone?”

I know it’s never going to happen, but I’d like to hear what he’d say.

Quick reminder of what he did say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg

430788 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 17, #917 of 1890 🔗

A few days ago I posted a comment over how disappointed I felt over the fact my uni graduation in July was cancelled. In hindsight, graduation always seemed a bit naff to me. It was more the implication of what the cancellation meant for this summer.

With the roadmap claiming normality in June you’d expect perhaps that the university would have more optimistic plans to uncancel graduation for sometime in the summer. Maybe August to give some time to see if the goal posts get shifted by Sage again.

WRONG! Got a fresh email from the uni saying that the roadmap changes NOTHING. Graduation 2021 remains cancelled despite plans for a free and open summer. Suggests a lot of optimism doesn’t it.

430806 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky1, 5, #918 of 1890 🔗

I also think with Unis it’s the case that unless they come under pressure from their competition then why would they give themselves the huge admin headaches involved in opening up again – risk assessments, understanding guidance, keeping everyone happy etc etc

They never reopened after March, and have attracted very little attention from the media

All the headlines are about schools

430840 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ricky1, 4, #919 of 1890 🔗

I hope you have an employable degree. Either way it’s mostly a shakedown racket to conceal unemployment figures.

ALL university lecturers and especially OXBRIDGE DONS deserve the DEATH PENALTY a fair trial of course.

430848 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ricky1, 5, #920 of 1890 🔗

Suggests your university is run by bastards.

430864 ▶▶ Alkanet, replying to Ricky1, 2, #921 of 1890 🔗

So pleased to hear that you really thought it was naff as I felt a bit mean telling you that it’s really no big deal based on my own experience that is from an era before schools had ever heard of Proms so Graduation was then even more highly regarded as a rite of passage.

430913 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Alkanet, 2, #922 of 1890 🔗

Never been keen on wearing the hat and gown and sitting through a ceremony. Was mainly looking forward to celebrating for a final time with my coursemates. Many of whom I haven’t seen in person for nearly a year. I hope they still decide to return for a celebration we can organise ourselves.

431025 ▶▶▶▶ Alkanet, replying to Ricky1, 1, #923 of 1890 🔗

Good luck with organising something, whilst I sound like a miserable old git I’d also add that of necessity waiting will be no bad thing as it will show who really are your friends and will turn up as opposed to just people on your course who might no then even bother. Within a few years most Uni contemporaries will become a blur and you’ll be lucky if you are still in touch with some even on an annual Christmas greeting basis. Do get the photos done though as I suggested as it is something to placate relatives and a souvenir to look back on.

430789 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 8, #924 of 1890 🔗

Can anyone confirm or not that 75% of US military personnel are refusing the “vaccines” ?
(they are, after all, mainly Trump supporters) not sure if it was here or zh that i read that.

Also it would be interesting to get accurate figures as to what is the actual % declination of our own NHS doctors and nurses ! Again, did i read here that it was something like a 45% no from our doctors.

430796 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to nickbowes, 3, #925 of 1890 🔗

Nick – it’s around 30%

430944 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Katabasis, 1, #926 of 1890 🔗

Officially. 30% is coming up a lot in terms of number sof refuseniks

430802 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 7, #927 of 1890 🔗

if all those NHS peeps went long term sick rather than the forced jab then that would be a fatal blow to the crumbling system
Make it so

430874 ▶▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #928 of 1890 🔗

There’s close on 100,000 on the sick at the moment!

430888 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to PeeDubbya, 2, #929 of 1890 🔗

And the dimwits STILL can’t see why hospitals are ”busy”.

430835 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to nickbowes, 3, #930 of 1890 🔗

I hope all the fuckers take it too, the doctors and NHS nurses.

430857 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to nickbowes, 1, #931 of 1890 🔗
430797 Allen, replying to Allen, 12, #932 of 1890 🔗

A quote from Robin Monotti:
“The first rule about magic money trees is that you don’t talk about magic money trees. The UK government plucked £34.1bn from the magic money tree in December. Joe Biden is talking about a $1.9trn shake of the magic money tree.”

Get what lockdowns and masks are really covering?

There is not now nor has there ever been an epidemiological or viral emergency event of any sort anywhere in the world in the year 2020.

The manufactured perception that there was such an event is an artifact of mass media manipulation, behavioral conditioning techniques and social engineering. All of this made possible through institutional programming and accelerated media messaging disallowing basic cognitive processes and eliminating critical thinking possibilities.

What we are in the midst of is a planned total economic collapse. This economic collapse was inevitable, Western governments are putting the security infrastructure into place, trying to proactively control the inevitable social disorder which will result from this collapse. To be followed by a global financial reset, after a period of hyperinflation, which destroys both the value of debt and the corresponding paper claims.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this corrupt economic system only delayed the inevitable. In the Fall of 2019 the crisis began to rapidly unravel again.

There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production which showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

The Repo market is where banks borrow money each day so that they have 10% liquid assets at the end of each day. If they do not have 10% liquid assets they are not allowed to open the next day. Around the middle of September the Fed started pumping $20 billion per day into the Repo market to keep interest rates down so banks could borrow the money to stay in business. By the end of December the Fed was pumping over $100 billion per day into the Repo market and it was not enough.

Simply everyone on Wall Street was loaded with enormous debt and was holding on to US cash to be able to service it refusing to finance purchases of foreign currencies and then US currency as Repo Market froze at 10% interest on overnight Repo loans as US treasury bonds and even US bills were rejected as collateral for Repos.

In fact what happen in March 2020 was just the spread of the liquidity crisis from primary dealers markets (TBTF banks and Hedge funds were actually bailed out in September) toward all other stock, commodities, bonds CLOs, MBS etc, as well to Ponzi schemes called today ETF funds, not to mention structured derivative products traded on proprietary platforms nominally representing up to several thousands of $$$ trillions.

When US treasury bonds and even USTB became illiquid due to exponential growth of public (but most of all private) dollar debt while the FED was sucking up cash from financial markets by tempering QE (called QT ) between 2017 and 2019 reduced FED balance sheet from over $5 T to $3.9T by selling assets, all hell broke loose. Something drastic had to be done.

And hence the FED started to “buy all worthless shit for double the price”, Gates’s and Silicon Valley oligarchic gang took over the media, and Orwellian shrinks and doctor Fauci-Mengeles came to the “rescue” unleashing operation COVID.

COVID phenomenon cannot be understood without understanding the un-televised 2019-2020 unprecedented financial collapse threatening the entire global financial system. The COVID fraud timing became necessary as the world markets were faced with an emergency debt crisis that popped up in formerly mostly liquid markets: Repo markets, money markets and FX markets.

The entire House of Cards was falling for six months and could not be stopped so COVID hysteria was manufactured to cover up what amounts today to $11 trillion of FED bailout in cash, stock boost via POMO and guarantees of value of collateral used in structured derivatives.

The end game is that the central banks (Fed) will buy all the toxic, worthless debt from the hedge funds and banks, including the 1.5 quad trillion of derivatives, and then transfer the debt to the treasury as sovereign debt. Then print money to infinity to service the fictitious debt to sink the dollar via hyperinflation and then foreclose on the US and everyone else holding debt in worthless dollars.

That’s the coup.There will be global hyperinflation to vaporize the assets of the masses and the states. As soon as the ruling class mops up the last properties. What this means is the ruling class have limitless claims on everything in the world.

430807 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Allen, 6, #933 of 1890 🔗

It’s true that the denouement of the 2008-9 crisis seemed to be appearing in late 2019, and has been overshadowed since by covid. As far as I can see, it’s true that there is no way to pay back the government debts except by inflation.

Heaven knows what else is true.

430834 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Allen, 4, #934 of 1890 🔗

Buy physical gold and silver
They don’t have enough to cover their phony baloney paper promises on precious metals

430872 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #935 of 1890 🔗

Good point, however – as Dr Coleman, & Neil McCoy-Ward (& others) are warning; with gold there is a very real possibility of confiscation orders. Which means it won’t take Liam Neeson-level-skills to track it down.

430938 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #936 of 1890 🔗

History will tell you this has to happen. Wall Street Crash was a gold cull

430841 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Allen, 3, #937 of 1890 🔗

This all ties in with what Catherine Austin Fitts has been talking about.

430859 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to leggy, #938 of 1890 🔗

She has mentioned a great many interesting thing over the years. Like that time the DoD lost $20T USD down the back of a sofa, or the $250T USD in unfunded liabilities that no one wants to acknowledge.

A number of years ago I read an article that suggested if you took all of bank debt, derivative exposure, exotics exposure, you were looking at $1.2 Quadrillion of bad news if the SHTF. I’m sure it’s much worse now.

I don’t know if they took the Eurodollar market into consideration for that $1.2Q figure either, which is enormous. I seem to remember the Fed not really understanding the existence and ramifications of the Eurodollar market when Greenspan was in charge. How inspiring.

430943 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #939 of 1890 🔗

The global balance sheet is in negative territory. Start there and ask, who do we owe that debt to exactly?

430847 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Allen, 1, #940 of 1890 🔗

Watch the numbers. They go wheeeeee……


431104 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Allen, #941 of 1890 🔗

Staggering … if accurate?

430798 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #942 of 1890 🔗

Covid labelled death in the 90 and overs

ONS state in their Deaths Registered Weekly publication (12th Feb)

In Week 6 (week ending 12 February 2021), the number of deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) in England and Wales decreased or remained the same in all age groups compared with Week 5. The biggest decrease was seen in those aged 90 years and over (424 fewer deaths). The majority (70.5%) of deaths involving COVID-19 were in people aged 75 years and over.

Thought I would put that statement into context.

Here are the proportion of covid labelled deaths by week of occurrence of death in each age band.

While there has been a fall in the proportion under age 90 in the latest few weeks, in the week immediately before experimental vaccination started (week ending 4th December 2020) the over 90s made up 21.8% of all covid labelled deaths vs 21.7% for the latest week (week ending 12th Feb).

It’s probably better to look at all age groups since many under 90 have already been experimentally vaccinated also so you need to compare with age groups who haven’t been vaccinated, but looking at the chart there is no major effect if any of vaccination on covid labelled deaths. I say that noting there is a lot of natural variation in proportions as you can see from around May time, and so minor affects aren’t easily seen.

And of course it doesn’t matter if you prevent someone’s death being labelled as covid, if they still die from another cause without the covid label.

430823 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #943 of 1890 🔗

And here are the historic proportions of death by all causes in each age band. Less age categories, because old ONS data had restricted bands.

So there has been a slight reduction in the proportion of over 85s dying in the last few weeks. But that’s just reversing much bigger previous week increases in that age group and the proportion is completely normal.

If experimental vaccination was reducing death from covid, and covid deaths were a significant direct cause of death, then you would expect the proportion of deaths in the older age groups who had been vaccinated to go down, but no sign of that at all.

It seems to be typical that the proportion of deaths in the oldest age band decreases as we come out of a harsh Winter (see Spring 2015 and Spring 2018 for example) so the latest reduction may just reflect the same as we head into Spring.

Natural variations over time (and changes in population structure over time) makes it difficult to make definitive judgements.

430811 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #944 of 1890 🔗

Shouldn’t they defer the consensus till after the cull?

430815 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #945 of 1890 🔗

Maybe they doing it to find out how many more they need to cull?!

430821 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #946 of 1890 🔗

The dead always vote Labour anyway

430814 The Dark Lord, replying to The Dark Lord, 7, #947 of 1890 🔗

I think its fairly obvious that Mr. Freguson has no intention of debating in good faith … like all fraudsters its like trying to grab pudding … you can never get a solid grip and he always slips thru your fingers …

430844 ▶▶ Annie, replying to The Dark Lord, 1, #948 of 1890 🔗

… the way slime does.

430856 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 2, #949 of 1890 🔗

I don’t think ”slime” is too strong a word.
Another strong one (in MY book) that isn’t used often enough for this disgraced and unelected person is ” DISHONOURABLE’

430825 Mutineer, replying to Mutineer, 18, #950 of 1890 🔗

I see the clowns applauding the Govt on a ‘road map’ to normality. Normality? It is FAR from normality. Walking around muzzled is NOT normal. Telling us how many we can have at weddings and funerals is NOT normal. Muzzling schoolkids is NOT normal. It all comes with ‘at the earliest’ so will be put back when people resist their monkey gunk. Then we will be blamed because they can’t get ‘back to normal’. It is far from normal and we are resisting till the bitter end. These zealots would sell their souls for a return ticket to Benidorm. I am also now worried that any meat will come from vaccinated animals. Far from a roadmap to normality, it’s war.
I was pleased today to get a reply from Charles Walker’s Senior Parliamentary Assistant, thanking me for my email telling him how dreadful the impact has been on our lives. I would urge everyone to take the time to write to him.

430831 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Mutineer, 7, #951 of 1890 🔗

I am intending to put aside three or four days just to read articles and watch videos I have saved, as well as to write letters either of support or exhortation to various public figures.

430833 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 24, #952 of 1890 🔗

… the deliberate spreading of vaccine misinformation should be criminalised.

So whoever is responsible for the NHS vax leaflet should be the first in line!

430837 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Cheezilla, 9, #953 of 1890 🔗

Damn. I guess we can’t call it a vaccine anymore then.

430855 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 3, #954 of 1890 🔗

They should never be called a vaccine anyway according to the legal definition – and this is the same as what is in the dictionary:

Vaccine means a specially prepared antigen which, upon administration to a person, will result in immunity”


As the 3 in use in the UK do NOT contain any of the virus and do NOT confer immunity they do NOT meet the definition.

ASA not taking any notice of complaints made to this effect.

The CDC gives their own definition – “ Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.” but this still means the non-vaccines fail the definition as they don’t “protect” as they define this as “you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.”.

And a video discussion on this very topic:


430879 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, #955 of 1890 🔗

Are there any in the pipeline that actually ARE ”real” vaccines?

430905 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Banjones, #956 of 1890 🔗

A spray up the nose one and 1 other I think.

Seen them reported as being in safety trials and possibly licensed middle of this year.

430862 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #957 of 1890 🔗


And here’s Scott Atlas talking about misinformation (albeit this conversation isn’t about vaccines)


Repeat a lie often enough and people believe it, and then try and prevent people pointing out your lies and misinformation by criminalising it.

430838 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #958 of 1890 🔗

Going to keep an eye on this US court case:


Good luck to them.

430877 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #959 of 1890 🔗

Here’s an interview with Gregory Glaser talking about his evidence that vaccines harm people long term. That’s what the case is about. Amazing info.


430850 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 14, #960 of 1890 🔗

Are they they now trying to rubbish vitamin D?


Too cheap and effective, I’d imagine. Can’t have anything interfering with the ”vaccine” take-up, can they?

430858 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Banjones, 21, #961 of 1890 🔗

They are out to poison us not heal us. They also won’t admit that BAME people have worse rates of covid because northern climes don’t let them obtain enough vitamin D through sunlight – that’s obvious. But no, we must say it’s systemic racism.

430863 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to this is my username, 10, #962 of 1890 🔗

Same as we are not allowed to point out the bleeding obvious
The NHS was built for a stable population of 45-50 million and mass immigration has destroyed it

430869 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #963 of 1890 🔗

That and reducing the number of beds. The NHS budget is huge – it would be good to know how much of that is still going on paying PFI contracts.

430873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to this is my username, 2, #964 of 1890 🔗

Yes – and one STILL hears people blathering on about how ”busy” hospitals are, without any reference to reduced bed numbers and half the staff being off ”sick” (not).
A friend of mine actually said that a friend of HERS told her that hospitals are ordering hundreds more body bags than usual! No – really! I said I wondered how that could be when the excess deaths didn’t amount to more than about five per ten thousand (I don’t know the figures – but I thought I’d try to make a point! If they’re going to be silly, then so will I.)

430884 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to this is my username, 5, #965 of 1890 🔗

Fewer than half the beds there were 30 years ago. That’s the scandal.

430870 ▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #966 of 1890 🔗

And the average age and health were much better. The decline was inevitable, but the staggering, teetering collapse was not. To accomplish that they have to use decades of mangerialism and subversion (including nursing as ‘all-graduate’ jobs! When the non-grads retire that’ll be time to shutter the place)

430924 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #967 of 1890 🔗

No. It was never perfect, but a succession of neoliberal governments has badly damaged it. In my extensive observation, immigrants have saved the service from collapse whilst the corporate predation has been underway.

430893 ▶▶▶ boxclever, replying to this is my username, #968 of 1890 🔗

I wonder if they will be stirring up more racial tensions in the next few months,because the BAME community will be blamed for keeping restrictions going by not having had the jab. This appears odd as they are the one s
who have suffered the most from the virus.
Does anyone know the current % of population who have
nt taken up the offer ?

430959 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to boxclever, #969 of 1890 🔗

S what’s that going to involve face-nappy cops aggressively taking the knee to respect them into getting the jab?

431073 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to boxclever, 2, #970 of 1890 🔗

I really hope they (BAME people) don’t take it up because if vaccine passports have the effect of indirectly disadvantaging a particular ethnic group then they will be unlawful. Let’s stick together.

430942 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to this is my username, #971 of 1890 🔗

And on that, the virus is disappearing in South Asia whilst south Asians are disproportionately susceptible to CV in the UK…

430897 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, #972 of 1890 🔗
430854 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 16, #974 of 1890 🔗

I’ve attended my first virtual funeral today. A lovely lady, whom we have known since our teens, has passed away at the age of 62, following a great many years of suffering from a debilitating illness.

Today we posted a sympathy card to the family of another friend who has died at the age of 79, after suffering a stroke.

It occurred to me that the last time I was at a funeral was over two years ago, way before all this madness. Before that we often had to attend two or three funerals a year (whereas once, it used to be weddings!)

In spite of this killer disease, during this last year, we have not attended one funeral, virtual or otherwise, until today.

Coronavirus has truly worked miracles.

430865 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Margaret, 1, #975 of 1890 🔗

Know the feeling – seemed to be that teh suit came out for weddings and christenings, now it’s funerals.

Few of the people I meet at the family affairs have mentioned the same – must be a side-effect of hitting your 50s no-one ever mentioned.

430954 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #976 of 1890 🔗

I read the obituaries now to see how many more people I know have shufffled off the coil since last week.

431198 ▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Two-Six, 1, #977 of 1890 🔗

Son watches father scan obituary columns in search of absent school friends
While his generation digests high fibre ignorance
Cowering behind curtains and the taped up painted windows
Decriminalised genocide, provided door to door Belsens

431080 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #978 of 1890 🔗

Senescence begins
And middle age ends
The day your descendants
Outnumber your friends

Ogden Nash

431060 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Margaret, #979 of 1890 🔗

Virtually dead?

430871 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #980 of 1890 🔗

Hat tip to Basileus for posting this earlier. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/23/latest-news-294/#comment-430120

No apologies for reposting this. It was posted at 8am; it needs a wider audience.



Look at some of the absurd hospitalisation numbers and death figures they are throwing around.

Twitter poster did a nice graphic.

430933 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ceriain, 1, #981 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for the links, I’ve been off for several hours so missed them this morning.

430875 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #982 of 1890 🔗

Pfeffel is a right wiley old fox, isn’t he?

Get Gove to head the decision about vaccination passports. Lose Lose with the amount of rabid bedwetters in the country.

431066 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #983 of 1890 🔗

This does scare me, the domestic issue of going into a pub, train or theatre. Hopefully the black market will get on the case and start making fake ones and some lawyers might sniff a profit to be made.

431076 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fiona Walker, #984 of 1890 🔗

Yes fakes in the UK ok. Could be dodgy going abroad if something unconnected happened to you (e.g broken leg) and insurance co got access to your records and refused to pay out as you hadn’t quite been truthful on your application for insurance abroad.

431324 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Fiona Walker, #985 of 1890 🔗

Just thinking of the trains, since most stations nowadays either have automatic machines to check tickets, or no barriers at all at smaller stations, how exactly would vaccine passports be checked?

430876 Julian, replying to Julian, 1, #986 of 1890 🔗

BREAKING Boris Johnson warns COVID-19 lockdown will NOT end on June 21 unless cases & deaths plunge


430926 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Julian, 3, #987 of 1890 🔗

The PM said: ‘Journalists are always abusing or attacking people and being critical about them without having putting themselves in the place of the person they’re criticising’.

He’s got a fucking cheek; he spent his own journalistic career doing exactly that.

430951 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ceriain, 4, #988 of 1890 🔗

He says “I’m very optimistic that we’ll be able to get there [Jun 21]”. We know what that means then, don’t we children? One day later!

430878 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #989 of 1890 🔗

Already they are laying the ground for more u-turns ,back peddling, lock downs forever !


430916 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to nickbowes, 9, #990 of 1890 🔗

The press are involved in terrorism. There’s no other word for headlines like that.

430929 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to nickbowes, 1, #991 of 1890 🔗

hahahahahahahahahaha …. surprised ………… NOT !!!!

430953 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to nickbowes, 2, #992 of 1890 🔗

Crazy figures there. Unlock in April and get 4 times the cases as we had in April 2020.

430973 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to nickbowes, 7, #993 of 1890 🔗

Hang on:

The Health Secretary Matt Hancock said that the aim was to move to “personal responsibility” rather than having social distancing laws “that get in the way of normal life”.

And Patrick Vallance:

“What we want to do is get rid of the social distancing-type laws that get in the way of normal life and move to personal responsibility , rather than laws dictating how all of us live our daily lives.

Oh, look; they’re working to a script. What a surprise!

And what’s the script? Looks like what Gupta et al said in the Great Barrington Declaration.

431049 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #994 of 1890 🔗

Unbalanced doesn’t want laws dictating how we live our daily lives?
He’s got a f…..g odd way of showing it.

431142 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 1, #995 of 1890 🔗

But social distancing has never been law and he knows it.

430880 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 13, #996 of 1890 🔗

C-nt vs C-nt!

430949 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #997 of 1890 🔗

Battle of the Cuntans?

430887 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -18, #998 of 1890 🔗

Oh Dear.  I posted a comment earlier which made the obvious point that many of the sceptical arguments were either wrong or irrelevant. My point was reinforced by many of the responses which were ..er.. either wrong or irrelevant.  Let me simplify things a bit.

We have a situation which looks very much like the following

Ferguson: Model says 500k dead if we don’t
Sceptics:  Model is wrong. We don’t have 500k dead.
Ferguson: That’s because we had lockdown.
Sceptics:  That can’t be right – because lockdowns don’t work.
Ferguson:  Lockdowns must work – otherwise we’d have 500k dead.
Repeat Ad Infinitum

Now then, who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? (Clue: it’s not the sceptics).  When the likes of Chris Snowdon are jumping ship then we’re definitely on the losing side.

Snowdon and others are pretty influential among those who are likely to be sympathetic to the sceptic argument. The only way people like these will be won back is by strong evidence that the lockdowns have had very little effect on transmission of the virus in the UK. It’s no good banging on about Florida or Japan or any other region of the world where many different factors could be in play.

I believe that evidence probably exists but it’s not going to be easy to tease it out. Analysis by Joel Smalley and David Paton is the best on offer at the moment but Ferguson and SAGE are vulnerable – if they are attacked on the right issues. I think they screwed up in March and this led to a totally unnecessary lockdown.

But suit yourselves, carry on with “the polls are junk, data is junk, the vaccines are killing everyone and covid’s gone”  arguments because they’ve worked so well over the past 12 months.

430891 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 16, #999 of 1890 🔗

My favoured argument is this one

1) Lockdowns are morally wrong
If you disagree with (1) then
2) Lockdowns do obvious harm – costs are huge
3) Lockdown benefits are unquantified so an intervention with huge costs but unclear benefits is wrong by any normal criteria

430900 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 9, #1000 of 1890 🔗

4) Prolonged lockdowns are a complete deviation from standard epidemic responses.

430909 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1001 of 1890 🔗

Yes indeed the burden of proof is on those wanting to deviate from the established approach

430914 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 5, #1002 of 1890 🔗

Yes, people fail to recognise its not for us to argue the case against it is for them to argue the case for. I can’t see any justification for it despite what the ‘models’ say.

430920 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, 3, #1003 of 1890 🔗

Totally agree. The established approach was there and it was chucked in the bin.

430931 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 9, #1004 of 1890 🔗

I think the give-away is the desire to suppress counter-evidence rather than debate it. That’s always the mark of a lost argument – as is the ‘whataboutery’ marker.

Let’s face it, if you need protection from contrary evidence, you’re not going to be bright enough to assess any evidence other than that handed to you tied up in a ribbon. Which, of course, is the point.

430899 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Mayo, 6, #1005 of 1890 🔗

My argument has always been that lockdown was always unnecessary because cases had already started to fall before they were implemented. That is not in any way saying that no measures at all should have been taken – they had been and had already started to work.

Ferguson’s 520,000 deaths were if NO measures were taken.

431082 ▶▶▶ coulie45, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1006 of 1890 🔗

Ferguson or his model also said last spring that if Sweden continued to follow its Covid no measures strategy it could end up with 85,000 deaths. It continued with that strategy and currently a year later has 12,700 possible Covid deaths.

430903 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 6, #1007 of 1890 🔗

Now then, who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? “

I think the public in general just believe what the govt and media tell them because they have heard little else for the last 12 months – there are virtually no dissenting voices and the case for the opposition has quite simply not been presented to them

I have friends who are very clever and very sceptical about all of this who have no real idea of any of the actual data

430908 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 6, #1008 of 1890 🔗

Mayo, that is a complete misrepresentation of the discussion that was had before.

431039 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Will, 4, #1009 of 1890 🔗

Hence the new post: an attempt to control the narrative.

430910 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Mayo, 7, #1010 of 1890 🔗

I don’t think it’s that hard to see. The dynamics of a virus suppressed by lockdowns and NPIs are completely different to those of one that reached an equilibrium level.

It’s clear that we reached a summer equilibrium and then had a seasonal adjustment to a higher equilibrium. If Fergie was right, and it was all about NPIs, there should have been no Covid in the winter, as the lockdown was actually stricter then.

Now if he wants to actually engage with reality and discuss what, if any, behaviour changes affected those equilibrium levels and by how much then we can talk. Right now he’s living in an alternate reality. It’s a bit like trying to debate a flat earther or someone who thinks the moon landings were fake.

430915 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 16, #1011 of 1890 🔗

who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? (Clue: it’s not the sceptics).”

Now I wonder why?

Might it have something to do with control of the media? Because the immediate response is ‘What argument?’, because I’ve not seen one in the sense of balanced media coverage of evidence.

You have a massive beam in your own eye, Mayo, in terms of not seeing the glaringly obvious, and missing the point.

We can argue about detail, but this isn’t Ebola, and there is no justification for current NPI governmental measures in terms of either severity of the virus or acceptability and efficacy (near zero) of the measures .

 The narrative leading to these absurdities is totally fallacious. The basis of the underlying risk assessment is such that everyone should be selling their car in order to prevent the risk of death.

430925 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to Mayo, 2, #1012 of 1890 🔗

And you should carry on pushing your pro-lockdown argument. We all really appreciate your skepticism towards our skepticism. Personally, I don’t give a fuck about any life that’s been damaged, shortened, or ended by the lockdown. All the matter is the lockdown and we’re all grateful to you for keeping us up to date with your views on it…

430946 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Markus Skepticus, 9, #1013 of 1890 🔗

To be fair to Mayo he/she has stated on many occasions that he/she is against lockdowns – I think the point being made is that he/she thinks some of the arguments being used against them are weak and therefore counterproductive

I disagree with a lot of the posts, but I think it’s useful to see different views, especially as Mayo engages and is most certainly not a troll, as he/she has been accused of (not on this occasion but others)

I would like to see more dissenting views here, if there is an attempt to argue properly

430937 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 4, #1014 of 1890 🔗

you’re second to last paragraph makes a great deal of sense and should be developed, unfortunately the backward negative part of your personality comes screaming out in your completely unnecessary final paragraph drowning out your important positive message

430941 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mayo, 3, #1015 of 1890 🔗

I spoke to salad cream about this and apparently it all boils down to the difference between raw eggs and cooked eggs.

430961 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, 1, #1016 of 1890 🔗

The burden of proof lies with those who advocated lockdowns.

Let them prove it, or even attempt to … oh, they can’t.

430967 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to TJN, 1, #1017 of 1890 🔗

Cases, hospitalisations and deaths have fallen – so lockdowns work.

That is their argument and too many people agree with it.

430998 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, 4, #1018 of 1890 🔗

Yes Mayo, but you and I both know that is nonsense. Anyone with the most basic scientific literacy knows that is nonsense.

And it’s easily demonstrable as nonsense, in that it’s easily demonstrable that infections peaked before lockdowns. Naively perhaps, I have confidence that these truths will eventually gain traction.

I do take your wider point though that Sceptics, for whatever reason, haven’t got their arguments across properly. In part I think because we haven’t had the c. £300 million plus the UK government appears to have spent on propaganda.

Thread hijack – earlier I posted some technical questions which I hoped someone like you might know about. Two I haven’t had answers to are:

am I correct in thinking that most vaccines fail at Phase 3?

what (if anything) is the difference between Antibody Dependent Enhancement and Pathogenic Priming?

I don’t want to put you on the spot or anything, and understand if these aren’t your subjects – but I have no medical background at all and want to understand what I’m talking about.

431005 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Mayo, 2, #1019 of 1890 🔗

Ferguson et al.’s (March, 2020) forecasts for total deaths from Covid-19 ranged from 5,600 to 550,000 (Table 4) over a two-year period. In other words, they assumed that with the right non-pharmaceutical interventions, deaths from Covid-19 could be almost completely eliminated (in that there would be 5,600 deaths from it over a two year, assuming an R of 2.0).

Therefore, all that is required to eliminate Covid-19 deaths is a wise ruler who will implement the correct policies.

This seems to be a mistaken assumption suggestive of greater agency over this particular virus than is possible.

431029 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #1020 of 1890 🔗

Stopped reading at point 1. 500,000 deaths was used to drive fear. That figure is ridiculous given the almost identical experience of Sweden and UK in how and wheb the hits came, though Sweden faired better in the end. His model is guff at the extreme. Unless the aim was fear, and it worked.

Add in PCR and 500,000 is even more ridiculous.

If these models are misunderstood by the public as you claim, then such ridiculous scenarios should be left to the lab, not plastered on the BBC.


Edit. Stopped a second time when you cite Chris Snowden. Haha. Ok

431199 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1021 of 1890 🔗

Even the USA has only just surpassed 500k deaths after 12 months.

431033 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mayo, 1, #1022 of 1890 🔗

Christ, citing the general public as a barometer of anything is scraping the barrel, isn’t it?

431040 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Mayo, 7, #1023 of 1890 🔗

Yeah, and lockdowns have worked bloody well over the last 12months.
If by ‘worked well’ you mean ‘have eliminated freedom, justice, human rights, education,love, joy, faith, hope, and charity’.
Happy now, Mayo? Happy that the right side has won?

431063 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Mayo, 1, #1024 of 1890 🔗

I think you are relishing your perceived position as the only person who knows the truth surrounded by fools on both side a bit too much. And you haven’t noticed that some are sympathetic and curious about your ideas. I certainly think an argument against lockdown that doesn’t depend on the models being irredeemably faulty would be a valuable one since it would protect us from future lockdowns. I’m going to look up Joel Smalley and David Paton since I’m not familiar with their arguments – I haven’t read a summary of their arguments on this site.

I would say that I’m not sure whether a hypothetical discussion with you and Ferguson would necessarily be that different from what I gather of your views.

You might say: Model says infections peak in June but they actually peaked in March this is because you failed to calibrate your model correctly.

Ferguson: No you are wrong the peak was in March because of lockdown. Everybody else’s models give similar results did they all get their calibration wrong?

You: But lockdowns are ineffective (because there are other factors affecting the transmission rate which are not calibrated correctly in your model / accounted for)

Ferguson: Prove it… I get a perfect fit to observations with my model as it is setup including lockdowns. (I’m not sure it does actually because I can’t see how Autumn resurgence correlates only with lockdown severity but that’s what he is saying I think).

431085 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mayo, 2, #1025 of 1890 🔗

It is a fair point that you cannot falsify anything that Feargasm has postulated as there is no alternative universe where the bat cold was just left to its own devices with minimum fuss (in the UK at least like for like)
Unless more evidence that the big scary cold was here long before March 2020 and that may prove interesting

431109 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mayo, 1, #1026 of 1890 🔗

Is the NAAFI open?

431153 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, 2, #1027 of 1890 🔗

Ferguson’s argument is like my late grandfather telling 12 year old me that he sprayed anti-elephant powder on our new home to prevent elephants approaching. Upon being told that there were no elephants wandering free in our area, he replied “well, it clearly works”.

If the UK (or Irish) populations are that stupid……..

431164 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, #1028 of 1890 🔗

A silly post as usual bereft of any detail, references; lightweight.

‘… who do you think is winning this argument with the general public? (Clue: it’s not the sceptics)’

Out of touch and out of date, as you will plainly see for yourself in May………

430898 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1030 of 1890 🔗
430904 Thomas_E, #1031 of 1890 🔗

Well Dave nails it yet again..depressing as it is.. https://www.bitchute.com/video/oFpbYb8keDFw/

430917 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1032 of 1890 🔗

Rapists Dad, look him, his wife and his parents in the eye and tell them you are not responsible


431561 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cecil B, #1033 of 1890 🔗

Guess I’m just confused by this comment.

430921 JHUNTZ, 4, #1034 of 1890 🔗

Covid lockdown Scotland: Nicola Sturgeon launches rival roadmap | Daily Mail Online

Turdgeon launches rival roadmap. The tyranny battles commence.

430932 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 34, #1035 of 1890 🔗

Just shared by PCR Claims. Fingers crossed they’re right.

“All talk of vaccine passports is pure PsyOps and vaccination nudging. The concept is totally ultra vires and they know it! Stay calm it ain’t happening and would be met with overwhelming legal challenge on a scale never seen in this country before. ECHR is totally against too.”


430939 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Quernus, 12, #1036 of 1890 🔗

That’s what I think too. Pure psy-op to drive the jabs

430955 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Quernus, 8, #1037 of 1890 🔗

Fingers crossed they’re right.

Right, or wrong, their mind games won’t work on me.

430989 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Quernus, 12, #1038 of 1890 🔗

Would love to think this is correct, however some points. Most of what has been done under the cover of emergency measures has been contrary to human rights and no redress via the courts has been permitted.

Johnson and his team are massively incompetent in the day to day running of the Covid response but masters at avoiding legislative accountability.

Lastly, we should not underestimate the sheer will, power and money behind all this. Power and money make false things true and illegal things possible. Who would have thought a year ago that a whole tranche of the economy could be destroyed, that education could have been suspended for months or that an untested medical treatment could have been launched upon an unsuspecting public with negligible opposition?

430999 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bugle, 5, #1039 of 1890 🔗

The UK appears to have been targeted by the mega rich and aided by our own Parliament and duplicitous cabinet to implement their Agenda’s

431014 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bugle, 3, #1040 of 1890 🔗

Well said. We can’t be complacent

431087 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bugle, 10, #1041 of 1890 🔗

This year has shown that human rights do not exist, because all laws, charters, conventions etc. supposedly enshrining and safeguarding such ‘rights’ can be overridden in an instant if your local tyrants declare an ’emergency’.

431023 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Quernus, #1042 of 1890 🔗

normally when a Govt announces a review it usually means it’s being kicked into the long grass

431035 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Quernus, 6, #1043 of 1890 🔗

A ticket (for concerts) sales company in Germany announced it will only sell to vaccinated people, they got so much backlash, they turned the next day.

431048 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Silke David, 2, #1044 of 1890 🔗


431148 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Waldorf, 1, #1045 of 1890 🔗


430945 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 8, #1046 of 1890 🔗

Quick reminder for our Scottish viewers of just how deadly Covid is to young Scottish people.

1 death* under 20 years of age
4 deaths* under 25 years of age
46 deaths* under 45 years of age

Out of a total of 7,006

Source: https://www.opendata.nhs.scot/dataset/covid-19-in-scotland/resource/287fc645-4352-4477-9c8c-55bc054b7e76

*Usual caveats apply. Not all deaths will have been from Covid; merely within 28 days of a positive test.

430988 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1047 of 1890 🔗

To add to this 5 deaths under 40 in Northern Ireland. Worst health generally in the UK, worst health service. None under 20. 95% over 65

431009 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1048 of 1890 🔗

Thanks, BBRS. 👍🏻

431158 ▶▶ PeeDubbya, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1049 of 1890 🔗

My immediate response upon reading these stats was to laugh out loud, shake my head and think ‘what the fuck are they playing at?’

430948 Stringfellow Hawke, #1050 of 1890 🔗

Bit of light entertainment from Mr Frisby:

430958 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1051 of 1890 🔗

Studying the Napoleonic Wars for tips. Highly recommend!

430964 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1052 of 1890 🔗

Have you got yourself a big musket?! 🙂

430968 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #1053 of 1890 🔗

Searching Amazon… all sold out 🤷‍♀️ 😆

430971 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1054 of 1890 🔗

Try ebay

431027 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, #1055 of 1890 🔗

Do you get a discount for buying in bulk?

430969 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1056 of 1890 🔗


Breaking news

Government announces plans to deal with 50,000 Crown Court backlog

The government spokesperson said “Justice is at the heart of everything we do. Justice delayed is justice denied

From midnight tonight we will introduce new SAGE Courts. The new SAGE Courts will sit as Crown Courts but with additional powers. The new courts are fully endorsed by the Lord Chief Justice

The court will consist of one scientist sitting alone in private
There will be no need to specify a charge
There will be no jury
Legal representation will not be needed
The court will have powers to jail people indefinitely
There will be no right of appeal
The Press will be excluded from the Court and the reporting of proceedings will be illegal

The necessary Statutory Instrument will be laid before Parliament after everyone has gone home this evening

In the past year we have managed to imprison 66 million people using these methods so this should be just a bit of tidying up

We expect these new Courts to work through this backlog in the next two weeks

Further information can be obtained from our website: http://www.banguptheproleswithouttrial.gov.uk

430986 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1057 of 1890 🔗

Be careful that the Courts don’t get infected with the new Hancock variant…

Common symptoms include a penchant for spins, lies, and feathering one’s own nest, and an inability to talk out of almost anywhere save from one’s rear end. We’re working hard to pin down this variant so it can be permanently taken out of circulation.

431003 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1058 of 1890 🔗

Have to say, Cecil; these are getting more real looking every day.

You did miss sentencing:

“The sentence of this court is that you will be taken from here to the place from whence you came and there be kept in close confinement. You will then be taken to the place of execution and there be vaccinated like fucking crazy until you are dead . And may God have mercy upon your soul.”

431026 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1059 of 1890 🔗

I know it is a Cecil story, but I actually clicked on the link!
It is possible you set up a website. the gov.uk I noticed too late.

431075 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1060 of 1890 🔗

You forgot the part where Sage where brought in to do some modelling. The models showed that of the 50000 cases 49999 cases were considered non essential and therefore will be quashed. 1 case will be heard on Monday in front of lead scientist sitting alone. Thanks to our SAGE overlords for solving this debilitating problem.

430970 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #1061 of 1890 🔗

Go Sir Charles!!!!


Should be circulated more widely. Instead of “Protecting the NHS” lockdowns and its collateral damage are storing future problems for our State Religion.

Would be interesting to see how they cope with the tsunami of cancer, stroke, heart disease, mental health issues, self-harm, substance abuse, domestic violence, etc.

430979 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1062 of 1890 🔗

They don’t care about those statistics !..

430981 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #1063 of 1890 🔗

F**king brilliant! Wish that he was my MP, wish that he was Prime Minister

431001 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to isobar, 2, #1064 of 1890 🔗

Agree. He’s streets ahead better than my useful as a chocolate teapot MP.

431067 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to isobar, 2, #1065 of 1890 🔗

Charles would have sacked Whitty, Valance and Ferguson long ago.

431115 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1066 of 1890 🔗

I honestly believe had he been PM he would have listened to them but also listened to other sides of the story and made an informed decision.

430992 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #1067 of 1890 🔗

Courageous man, he’s right, we all matter, not just those with Covid

431004 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1068 of 1890 🔗

That’s why I think that we need to reclaim the BLM acronym – BRITISH LIVES MATTER.

431000 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #1069 of 1890 🔗

There are not many positives that can be drawn from this debacle, but one surely has to be the rise to prominence of Sir Charles Walker. For that I am certainly grateful. It gives some hope that amoungst the 650 members of the house, there are a few far more worthy than the majority.

431097 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #1070 of 1890 🔗

I agree. However I also do worry about the man. This is no political posturing as is evident from a recent interview with him for channel 4 at his home. Must be terrible being the lone voice of sanity in an indifferent parliament, living an almost perpetual Mr Smith Goes To Washington scenario. It must be taking a toll, as it is on us of course, but for him in the public eye.

431114 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to danny, 3, #1071 of 1890 🔗

There are others who have similar views to him, I too worry because he has his own mental health issues however I think he is using that as a strength currently to speak out about what is happening.

431068 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1072 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for sharing Bart. Have sent on my thanks to Charles.

431136 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1073 of 1890 🔗

‘Did anyone ask: is this ethical?’

Arguably the first question for the public enquiry (answer: no-one), swiftly followed by ‘Did anyone ask for a cost/benefit analysis’ (answer: only one person, Jesse Norman)?

Given that government interventions killed over 10,000 people, with court cases to follow, that should put the cat amongst the pigeons quite nicely…….just for starters……

430974 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #1074 of 1890 🔗

I know its not that relevant anymore – we are locked down until June (at least), lockdown coming again next Winter, vaccine passports on their way and discussion about whether the data is going up or down rather gets in the way of fundamental issues about human rights and free societies…but…

Zoe app registers its largest % drop today. New infections down by almost 50% over yesterday. Maybe they changed the way they count it

430976 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to steve_w, 5, #1075 of 1890 🔗

I’ve got a uk holiday booked in April and I’m going

431006 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DanClarke, #1076 of 1890 🔗

But that’s the problem -if your hotel/campsite/cottage has to close you can’t .

431044 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to arfurmo, #1077 of 1890 🔗

On the leaders ‘roadmap’ after April 12th I am ‘allowed’

431070 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DanClarke, #1078 of 1890 🔗

Until he disallows it because of SAGE

431197 ▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1079 of 1890 🔗

Christmas looked good for a time……..

430982 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 7, #1080 of 1890 🔗

As someone has posted down the thread, the domestic vaccine passport issue is psyc ops. It will never get through the courts. Travelling overseas is a different matter.

430987 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Will, 6, #1081 of 1890 🔗

I think its untenable. But I would have thought that about a lot of things in 2019. I think we know they will do whatever they think they need to do and our rights have nothing to do with it. But I think there are too many ‘vacc hesitant’ and there would be too much pushback. Those ‘vacc hesitant’ will be distributed across the community – MPs, NHS etc

430991 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Will, #1082 of 1890 🔗

They’ve already done it in Israel. I don’t know how you can be so confident.

430994 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 2, #1083 of 1890 🔗

I heard in Israel they were offering non-alcoholic shots for people getting the vaccine.

What even is that? I really small glass of orange squash?

431074 ▶▶▶▶▶ houdini, replying to steve_w, 1, #1084 of 1890 🔗

A picture in the DT showed a can of some 0% lager piss.

431088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to houdini, #1085 of 1890 🔗

how tempting

431015 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mattghg, #1086 of 1890 🔗

what’s been done in Israel is by shopping malls on their own initiative but in breach of the lockdown. The problem is it might be copied here.

431019 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to crimsonpirate, #1087 of 1890 🔗

The lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee…

431110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, #1088 of 1890 🔗

It’s the gift that keeps on giving….

431017 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, 3, #1089 of 1890 🔗

Trust me, Israel is a very, very different place to here. In fact it is a very different place to everywhere and I say that as someone who lived there for a significant period of time and is very fond of the place.

430984 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to steve_w, 2, #1090 of 1890 🔗

More LFT less PCR testing. Also I think more and more are not bothering to get tested anymore.

431022 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Andrew K, #1091 of 1890 🔗

Until the week after next…

431042 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Will, 1, #1092 of 1890 🔗

Ah yeah schools

431107 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Will, #1093 of 1890 🔗

light the blue touch-paper and stand well back.

431053 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1094 of 1890 🔗

apparently they had to make an adjustment because vaccine symptoms are hard to separate from covid symptoms (they both kill you :)) – so they were overcounting


431069 ▶▶▶ houdini, replying to steve_w, #1095 of 1890 🔗

Have done this app since it began and one of the questions is wether you have had a vaccine, when and which one
This has given them a useful data base which must show a number of users experiencing adverse reactions following the vaccine.
95% of users on a recent survey say they have or will take the vaccine.

430977 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1096 of 1890 🔗

Zero Covid emails leaked. Gabriel Scally gets a nod of course. These people have an agenda and don’t care if you agree or not


430978 darcydetoni, replying to darcydetoni, 8, #1097 of 1890 🔗

Why don’t these people writing to Neil Ferguson ask him why he broke quarantine rules to meet up with his married girlfriend? Or why millions of cattle were culled on his predictions?

430993 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to darcydetoni, 2, #1098 of 1890 🔗

Tier 69

431135 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to darcydetoni, 1, #1099 of 1890 🔗

I did, he never answered.

431212 ▶▶ RickH, replying to darcydetoni, #1100 of 1890 🔗

Because it would be a distraction from the key issues and simply pointless.

430983 Eddy16, replying to Eddy16, 15, #1101 of 1890 🔗

A Short Quiz for Covid Believers

1. Has democracy been the normal system of government throughout history?

2. Have any leaders throughout history tried to overturn democracy in their own country or in other countries?

3. If a democratic country was to become totalitarian, do you think the people imposing that change would admit what they were doing?

4. Or would they claim that all the measures they were taking were for the public good?

5. Would such a political change be achievable if there was a free press, or would the press have to be controlled?

6. Similarly, do you think the state broadcaster in a totalitarian state is impartial?

7. Is the BBC impartial? If you think it is, how do you know?

8. Do you think that ‘hate speech’ is compatible with free speech?

9. When Johnson makes one of his promises, do you believe him? If so, why?

10. Do you think that, in a pandemic, the authorities would suppress the use of drugs that cure the illness in question?

11. Do you think that it would be helpful, in a pandemic, for the authorities to destroy the economy?

12. Do you believe that it is wrong that old people die?

13. Do you believe that we should ruin young people’s lives in order to protect the old? If so, why?

14. Is it acceptable for children to be treated like zoo animals in order to lessen by some small degree the risk of death to other people?


15. What will be the psychological effects of treating children in such a way? Are you happy for us to find out?

16. Have you always assumed that the UK will always be a free country?

17. Lastly, do you believe that the current situation is temporary? And if so, why?

430996 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Eddy16, 1, #1102 of 1890 🔗

Good quiz!

431046 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Eddy16, 1, #1103 of 1890 🔗

Very good, 14 especially.

431050 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Eddy16, 2, #1104 of 1890 🔗

They could not answer any of them and have not considered any of them.

431113 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddy16, 5, #1105 of 1890 🔗

The normie answer to all of the above is:
“I dunno really”

430995 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 9, #1106 of 1890 🔗

Just in case you missed it, the law was changed last year from 2 doctors to be in agreement for someone to be committed under the mental health act to now only needing 1 doctors decision before they take you away to have your vaccination as you will be deemed a danger to yourself & others if you don’t have it !! It will be one of their pet doctors I bet , not your own !!

430997 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #1107 of 1890 🔗

won’t be long before its 1 MP or 1 epidemiological modeller

431002 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Freddy Boy, 20, #1108 of 1890 🔗

They can bring as many as they wish when they come for me, but not everyone who arrives will be leaving

431018 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #1109 of 1890 🔗

I noticed that last year, and noted, with dread, that it involved the administration of drugs.

431037 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Freddy Boy, 4, #1110 of 1890 🔗


431279 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #1111 of 1890 🔗

This is very disturbing. The reason there were two doctors required was due to the seriousness of taking away anyone’s bodily autonomy and subjecting them to unwanted medication.

Have put on my tin foil hat now and am wondering if the ‘anti-vaxx-ers’ will soon be categorized as mentally ill.

431008 Mark, replying to Mark, 21, #1112 of 1890 🔗

Another “Conservative” Party MP gets some things right, at least. Shame there are so few of them doing it.

Richard Fuller, Member of Parliament for North East Bedfordshire, take a bow!

The most telling aspect of today’s debate is the focus on specifics, rather than on principle, on trends in data and details of subsidy, rather than of the eager pursuit of freedom, of continuing comfort with the state making choices for us, rather than a clamour by us for the freedom to be responsible for ourselves.
Do we fully appreciate the scale of what we have done?
each of us, rightly or wrongly, has allowed essential freedoms to lapse,and thus been party to the creation of a new, illiberal precedent that may imperil the meaning of liberty for decades to come. We should each reflect on our judgements to determine how we can repair our common heritage of freedom
for the Opposition, to consider why their response to the greatest power grab by the state has been to demand more state, more restriction and more control, a series of cynical tactical moves designed to wrongfoot government in mid-crisis, at best setting out a vision of even greater repression and control whilst heightening public fears and worry .”


431038 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mark, 4, #1113 of 1890 🔗

I’m not prepared to spare Sodom the Tories for the few righteous men in the city party.

431047 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1114 of 1890 🔗

Nor me 🤬

431059 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1115 of 1890 🔗

Party allegiance is all but irrelevant nowadays, because neither party represents conservatives, and neither party represents liberty ahead of coronapanic and lockdown.

Vote “Conservative”, get lockdowners. Vote Labour, get evil zero covid nutters.

In the absence, though, of a viable anti-lockdown party candidate standing for election in your constitutency, it would imo be acceptable to vote for a few individual MPs who have made their positions clear. Most of those have been “Conservative”, but I believe there might be one or two Labour MPs who have come out against lockdown for the right reasons, rather than because it wasn’t strict enough for them.

431052 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 6, #1116 of 1890 🔗

To even discuss Segregation is a national disgrace, but then Blair never cared about such things and our weak leadership follow like sheep

431011 isobar, replying to isobar, 15, #1117 of 1890 🔗

Hancock still under fire, worth watching the video of the disappearing picture. DM readers not impressed!

‘Now you see it, now you don’t! Matt Hancock REMOVES picture of his local pub from study wall amid Covid croynism row as he defends handing £30milllion contracts to former landlord now under investigation’

Best rated comment (2070 upticks 37 downticks)

He’s going to get away with it, the PM protected him in the Commons yesterday and wouldn’t answer a single question from MPS regarding the findings, this has to stop we have a right to know it’s public money!

431032 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to isobar, 2, #1118 of 1890 🔗

Is the rumour correct that he’s giving a free drink if you buy a mask when his pub opens?

431054 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1119 of 1890 🔗

Nice one!

431100 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to isobar, #1120 of 1890 🔗

There is no way he will go.The junta all stand or fall together

431176 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1121 of 1890 🔗

Unfortunately you are probably right, but would still like to get that smirk wiped off his face.

431309 ▶▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to isobar, 2, #1122 of 1890 🔗

In Sasha Swire’s book there was a perfect description of the crook. “Why have Boris and Carrie got a puppy? They already have Hancock”

431190 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1123 of 1890 🔗

He is probably the weakest link in the junta because he’s as crooked as a 9/- note.
So we should keep attacking him and as the attacks strike home, the rest will chuck him under the bus to save their poxed hides.

431226 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #1124 of 1890 🔗

Now you see if I was an evil dictator PM overseeing everything which is happening, my next step would be to drop my 2 fellow protaganist MP in it, in order for them to hang themselves, leaving me no option other than to blame them and get rid. One of my fellow MP’s has been found out about dodgy PPE contracts and it is amazing how the MSM keep running with the story. As to the other one I would put them in charge of a proposed review into a scheme which will go against everything a free country would impose, vaccine passports. I would then seat back and watch.

431024 Just about sane, 17, #1125 of 1890 🔗

Yon wee witch has said if we’re all good boys and girls and do as she tells us, we may get put back into those lovely levels, you know the ones she pretends that they are there for all our own good.
Schools we still have no understanding of what pupils and when the pupils go back to school. Blended learning has been mentioned somewhere, what the h… is blended learning? At the moment my grandson receives no learning so they can stick their blended learning in a blender for all I care.

She will keep everyone who allows her to lock them up and imprisoned in their council area for as long as they let them. It will take us back to fighting amongst ourselves as the scaredy cats start moaning about anyone visiting ‘their’ area and spreading the numerous mutant viruses.

It would seem that these mutant strains are not as busy at spreading as first thought as 85% of all positive tests (according to the most reliable source the beloved propaganda machine the BBC) are of mutants ones and they can’t be deadly or spreading faster as ALL positive testing is going down. However the wicked witch has decided that they are deadly, more deadly than down south because we are not getting out of prison. Ever.

I and my family on the other hand will continue to do as we’ve been doing for months. We shall behave like the adults we are and ignore it all to the best of our abilities.

431030 p02099003, 11, #1126 of 1890 🔗
431051 Banjones, 2, #1127 of 1890 🔗

This from NZ is worth a watch. They’re just about to be ”rolled over” by the ”vaccine” so for them it’s timely.


Sue Grey LLB(Hons), BSc, RSHDipPHI and specialist in emerging issues shares her thoughts and perspectives on the experimental Co-vax, body sovereignty, infor…

431055 Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), 2, #1128 of 1890 🔗

Worth supporting in my books:


Not agreeing with any quarantine measures but this one is completely unjustifiable.

431081 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), 6, #1129 of 1890 🔗

I will not support. The Courts are bent. The politicians and the judges have been sucking each others cocks for centuries

They only concede freedoms when they get frightened

No desire to take part in this charade

431368 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 337 of lockdown), replying to Cecil B, #1130 of 1890 🔗

I have no problem with that.

431057 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1131 of 1890 🔗

According to the covid weekly announced vaccinations spreadsheet of 18th February, 1,023,566 Trust health care workers in England have received a first dose of an experimental covid vaccine by 14th February 2021. I’ve attached a copy of the relevant sheet (vaccinations of Trust HCW) from the spreadsheet.

What I’m not sure about is have all NHS employees been offered the vaccine, including non patient facing roles? The Leicester NHS Trust study seemed to include admin and executive staff who are presumably not classed as patient facing but were offered the jab.

If so that would mean that about 73% of NHS staff have accepted the experimental vaccine? (=1,023,566/1,400,000)

They quote a figure of 88% in the spreadsheet, but is that twisting the data, by assuming no non patient staff have been offered the vaccine. So they are including non patient facing staff in the numerator (the number jabbed), but not in the denominator (total staff offered the jab).

The Leicester Study had an overall experimental vaccine take up of 65% (with no material increase expected to that figure), although they have a high proportion of ethnic minorities amongst their staff and hence would perhaps be expected to be below the national average. So 73% looks about right.

Thoughts anyone?

431099 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1133 of 1890 🔗


This is from the same spreadsheet re care homes.

431479 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Freecumbria, #1134 of 1890 🔗

Good info – but where do you get the “(with no material increase expected to that figure)” from – is this quoted in the study?
I had assumed that my local medical staff would be forced to take the vaccine or be fired, and the 70% would rise steadily. If I can tell locals that their own doctors and nurses are refusing the jab, that weighs heavily in the argument.

431071 Cecil B, 13, #1135 of 1890 🔗

How many of these bums were actually in parliament today?

Half a dozen tops?

They don’t give a FF because they know we won’t do anything

They have their Stasi to protect them

They are openly taking the piss out of us

431084 Mark, replying to Mark, 6, #1136 of 1890 🔗

Derbyshire police still being stupid authoritarian scum, and the BBC still propagandising for them:

Covid: ‘Horrified’ police break up football match

431096 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 15, #1137 of 1890 🔗

“A gathering of 20 is simply not acceptable and quite frankly irresponsible in the times we are all living through.”

Except when it’s 20 cops arresting a 92 year old man for disagreeing with the regime.

431139 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 5, #1138 of 1890 🔗

Derbyshire police competing with Essex police in the stupid stakes.

431159 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Mark, 3, #1139 of 1890 🔗

The world really has gone mad when the Brazilian plods are better behaved than the UK Stasi !!

431086 Jonny S., 1, #1140 of 1890 🔗

Hey Mayo. Latest from here. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

431090 DanClarke, 1, #1141 of 1890 🔗

Just heard an Ad, ‘Are your child’s vaccinations up to date’, we’re in vaccine hell now, it used to be non profit now its open to all the vile crooks, what a world for the young ones to grow up in

431091 alw, replying to alw, 10, #1142 of 1890 🔗

“ No guarantee England will end restrictions on June 21, Boris Johnson warns”
Well that didn’t take long.

431093 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to alw, 6, #1143 of 1890 🔗

They’ll be searching for new ones now. He needs to go.

431191 ▶▶ Will, replying to alw, 2, #1144 of 1890 🔗

Coercive controller says be grateful for small mercies or it will be even worse…

431094 Awkward Git, 1, #1145 of 1890 🔗
431101 isobar, 3, #1147 of 1890 🔗

Covid derangement syndrome – could explain a lot!

Another good article from AIER


431103 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1148 of 1890 🔗
431124 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1149 of 1890 🔗

Charles Walker covering the Mental Health disaster now, and to come. Desmond has clearly been looking at the data and doing his research. Both good men.

431175 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1150 of 1890 🔗

He really packs a punch – informed, strong but not ranty

431106 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1151 of 1890 🔗

A while ago I sent some questions to this dedicated e-mail address at PHE:


The original (redacted e-mail and answer is here if anyone is interested) but they do actually quote numbers for the effectiveness of the various vaccines which are referenced in my answer).


Well I have just received a reply from them which surprised me. It’s not worth much but here is my answer/rebuttal:

Thank you for your e-mail but it answered absolutely none of the questions I asked nor did it address any of my concerns.

It was what can only be described as absolute twaddle and could have been taken direct from a “vaccine” manufacturer’s PR pamphlet.

57% effective? That’s no better than a yes/no answer and you may as well flip a coin for that number.

You also state about a 30% improvement in this number to over 85%. This is incorrect. 30% of 57% is 17% which gives 74% in total, not “more than” 85%.

The only remotely promising quote is “PHE is also monitoring the real-world impact of the AstraZeneca vaccine and will publish these findings in due course” but the second half of the sentence lets it down.

If you are monitoring the “real world impact” then maybe you could explain the huge numbers of adverse effect reports both here in the UK via the MHRA’s yellow card scheme and in the US in the VAERS database that are a lot higher than for other vaccines or the unexplained rises in deaths observed in this country, the UAE or Gibraltar in the targeted population demographics that commenced within days of the mass vaccination campaigns starting nor any of the other reported side-effects such as unexplained deaths within hours of receiving the vaccine, spontaneous miscarriages etc..

Can you explain or account for these?

Also you forgot to mention in your paragraph starting “After clean water, vaccination is the most effective public health intervention in the world” ahead of vaccination you omitted good nutrition, removing the population from poverty and improving their standard of living. No point in vaccinating them if they have none of these.

Yours sincerely

431133 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, #1153 of 1890 🔗

Their answer was based on this by the look of it.

Did not answer one sngle quetsion ia sked but it is not a FOI e-mail so I’m surprised i got an answer at all.

431186 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, #1154 of 1890 🔗

Basically, they are using opportunity samples rather than RCT sampling protocols

431123 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1155 of 1890 🔗

Awkward Git thanks for all your good work. I imagine there is many an FOI administrator that has called you an ‘awkward git’

431168 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1156 of 1890 🔗

I’m fascinated that an official health source should be writing gobbeldygook such as this :

Healthcare workers in the study are tested for COVID-19 every 2 weeks – whether or not they have symptoms”

Errr … you cannot ‘test’ for Covi-19 – only the presence of genetic material related to the SARS virus (allegedly).

“Early data suggests vaccinated people who go on to become infected are far less likely to die or be hospitalised”

… and yet no stringent testing against potential other prophylactic measures? Doh!

After clean water, vaccination is the most effective public health intervention in the world for saving lives and promoting good health.”

I’m by no means anti-vaccine – where appropriate and proven. But this sounds more like advertising for the industry than a piece of accurate public health information. It really isn’t that simple, even allowing for the fact that clean water gets justified top billing.

Note, finally that the key figures are missing : Absolute Risk Reduction.

431231 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, #1157 of 1890 🔗

I believe the clean water line, is a quote from Uncle Bill.

431248 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1158 of 1890 🔗

The coercion to vaccinate is apparently causing horrendous poverty and starvation in the poorer countries, due to the restrictions in travel and exports, so removing them from poverty looks highly unlikely also improving their standard of living, not all have Free money handed out

431261 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DanClarke, #1159 of 1890 🔗

All unmentioned collateral damage to “our” lockdown battle with the virus.

431377 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, #1160 of 1890 🔗

As well 30% of vaccinated health care staff in several hospitals in Germany, France and 2 in Sweden. And those are the ones which make it into the press.

431117 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1161 of 1890 🔗

To Mayo and his 500,000.

But how did they calculate this?

They had a number for how many people died of Covid-19 in China (mostly Wuhan) as of Feb 11th (1,023 deaths).

That’s the numerator in the IFR calculation.

What they needed was an estimate for the total number of people had who been infected

That sounds like something it would be very difficult to estimate, since you don’t know how many people with the virus are asymptomatic or haven’t been tested.

They came up with a solution for Wuhan: count how many people escaping the city by plane tested positive.

This clever idea gave them an estimate for the prevalance of Covid-19 in Wuhan.

To match up with the timing of the death data, they used passenger test results from flights that took place over two days in late Jan/early Feb.

How many flights, you might ask?

Extrapolating from six flights might sound questionable to you. But it gets better.

Out of 689 passengers, only six people tested positive for Covid.

These six people were crucial for estimating disease prevalence, the IFR, and ultimately forecasting death all around the world.”

431365 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1162 of 1890 🔗

And let’s not forget the classic confusion of the I and the C as spotted by Malcolm Kendrick…


431119 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #1163 of 1890 🔗

Who said it?

“Because the general rule over human history is that once powers are yielded to the state at moments of crisis or emergency it’s never the case that the state, or very very rarely the case that the state hands them back”

431126 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 1, #1164 of 1890 🔗

Hancock. Or Raab?

431127 ▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Mark, 1, #1165 of 1890 🔗

Michael Gove!! What do I win.

431134 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1166 of 1890 🔗
431219 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Ricky1, #1167 of 1890 🔗

He was telling us he was going to sucker punch us and then did.

431130 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #1168 of 1890 🔗

A nice spot by BigBrotherWatch.


Weak-minded or shameless hypocrite?

Like the lefties who claimed a few decades ago, when they thought their side would be the victims of censorship and social exclusion, that they would “defend to the death” the right to say things they hated and that cancel culture (in its old forms of McCarthyism and blacklisting) was “unacceptable”, but now that their side is wearing the jackboots are perfectly happy with those practices.

431120 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1169 of 1890 🔗

Vaccines work, even when they don’t exist

431232 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1170 of 1890 🔗

Interesting how the numbers seemed to be on a downward trend until something happened in December and they started going up again…

431121 Covidonian, replying to Covidonian, 30, #1171 of 1890 🔗

Hi I know those in England are pissed of at Bojo’s glacial unlocking plan. Spare a thought for us in Scotland we have ultra risk-averse control freak FM Nicola Sturgeon suggesting that the deeply cautious scientific advice isn’t cautious enough for her. We are locked in to all intents and purposes till summer. When we come out it will be to a tiered system with the population centres denied hospitality and travel. Sadly our Parliament of salary collectors had no credible challenge. except one backbench Tory. The Tory leader Ruth Davidson missed and hit the wall. She should have asked:

is Scotland not filling the same broad cautious scientific advice as England? if so why with an open border are we not following the same path as England which is itself ultra cautious.

why is the advice of infection Epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse for earlier unlocking in the open with proportionate social distancing for indoor activity being rejected out of hand, whilst the advice of Devi Sheridan and Linda Bauod is listened to. Neither of these could be classed as a life scientist with the heft of Woolhouse?

Why is the good news on vaccine efficacy being played down when any bad news in minor mutations is played up? Given that it protects the old from deisease and death why are the healthy being shut in.

Sturgeon faces the accusations of the Salmond sexual harassment enquiry this week and is also dividing her party with a new transgender policy she expects everyone to sign up to. My theory is that she wants the Covid briefings to go on as long as possible and so do her self-important media hungry advisers for reasons well beyond this under control infection. Our press is supine and bought off with subsidy. Apart for some critical bloggers there is no opposition. The Greens are delighted that air travel is verboten and that cycle lanes are being installed apace.

As I look on at the drench driving rain as I work from home, I realise that this power grab wasn’t temporary. We are now living in a public health police state with joyless public health panjudrums keeping the pubs closed and their eyes closed to real data and real dates. As a behavioural scientists I am ashamed of the profession which is using the darkest of nudging to cajole and control us into compliance.

431140 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Covidonian, 11, #1172 of 1890 🔗

Closing any form of socialising in Scotland is downright cruel. The weather requires an ability to congregate indoors. It’s barbaric what she is doing to this Country and the supine Scots are worse for taking it.

431195 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Covidonian, 7, #1173 of 1890 🔗

It’s up to the people of Scotland to vote in an alternative in May. If they don’t then perhaps it is time to leave Scotland to them.

431444 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1174 of 1890 🔗

Oh how I wish people would vote out the SNP, but I fear the party will probably win a majority of seats instead. I’ll be leaving Scotland to them soon. Can’t take it anymore.

431239 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Covidonian, 2, #1175 of 1890 🔗

I really hope the day will come soon when they bitterly regret their actions

431369 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Covidonian, 4, #1176 of 1890 🔗

You can probably trace a pretty direct line between the joyless Calvinism of John Knox and the joyless Covidism of Turdgeon.
Or perhaps it’s all due to a diet of oats.

431539 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Annie, #1177 of 1890 🔗

I suspect that Pot Noodles have replaced oats. That might be part of the problem.

431128 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 14, #1178 of 1890 🔗

Have we errr, flattened the curve yet?

431141 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to rockoman, 7, #1179 of 1890 🔗

There must be some kind of way outta here, said the joker to the thief, there’s too much confusion, I can’t get no relief…

431192 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to rockoman, 2, #1180 of 1890 🔗

it appears to be a memory curve

431280 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to rockoman, 1, #1181 of 1890 🔗

Just another 3 weeks/months/years/decades/lifetimes.
Delete as appropriate.

431129 Two-Six, 7, #1182 of 1890 🔗

Shameless plug but it is a good tune. Made during the lockdowns. This is my mates band and it cheers him up to getting views and likes of their tune so make Dave happy, like and subscribe.
and share it around if you can

431137 alw, replying to alw, 13, #1183 of 1890 🔗

Bernie’s Tweets

Don’t say I didn’t warn you. I have, many times.

Free citizens are no longer free, if they are discriminated against on the grounds of health within their own country.

We were told this wasn’t happening, when we all knew it was

Boris Johnson has announced that Michael Gove will lead the review into whether the UK should have a domestic covid vaccine passport system” 👀 👀 👀

431145 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to alw, 8, #1184 of 1890 🔗

I wouldn’t put that twat in charge of a two-ticket raffle.

431147 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to alw, 2, #1185 of 1890 🔗

Welcome to Mao’s Britain.

431149 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to alw, 3, #1186 of 1890 🔗

Hopefully this will result in the end of Gove and any passport. Of course whilst all the MSM are discussing a domestic passport, they are not questioning any international vaccine passport, the majority have silently accepted that without a whimper.

431152 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1187 of 1890 🔗

The silence has been so deafening vax ports seem like a foregone conclusion for international travel.

431183 ▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1188 of 1890 🔗

As any traveller will tell you vaccinations (and the associated proof) have been a requirement for some International travel for years. Nothing to see here. However to go to your local pub????? However the point could be moot as the pub won’t be there.

431196 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to eastender53, 10, #1189 of 1890 🔗

Except that diseases such as yellow fever are terrible to catch and suffer through and the vaccine was run through the normal, proper trials.

Furthermore, those vaxes were entirely voluntary for and specific to the individual traveler, and never intended to be tied to every other aspect of their lives.

431205 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1190 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for that, you wrote my reply for me!

431272 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1191 of 1890 🔗

Hopefully this will result in the end of Gove and any passport

That is a good point, but surely if you really wanted an enterprise finished off for good you would give it to Dido Harding?

431285 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1192 of 1890 🔗

True! But getting rid of Gove in the process, I am sure many would take that option.

431154 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, #1193 of 1890 🔗

Hoping he’s going to say they’ll be required. Whatever he says, tends to be not true.

431227 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to alw, #1194 of 1890 🔗

Not worth living

431138 isobar, replying to isobar, 15, #1195 of 1890 🔗

A simplified ‘road map’ sent to me by a drinking pal.

431408 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to isobar, 2, #1196 of 1890 🔗

I got sent this twice last night… and I saw that Lozza and James Delingpole both tweeted it too. You look at it and you think, huh, it’s kinda funny and a little bit defiant. But there’s actually something about it that irritates me and I think it’s that it serves to normalize and legitimize this authoritarian Step 1 to 4 crap – it says: yup, this is just how things are now, let’s just grin and bear it and reach for the booze. It seems that every time some really evil shit goes down there’s some tame little meme that pops up in response, whereas the reaction should actually be: “this is all fucking insane.”

431144 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #1197 of 1890 🔗

just found me a new religion….

”the New Jersey-based Congregation of Universal Wisdom, explicitly forbids vaccinations and even surgery and medicine of any kind. Chiropractor Walter P. Schilling founded the church ― which worships “a Supreme Master of all levels in creation,” according to its website ― in 1975. Schilling lets interested parties apply for membership using a simple form found on the group’s website.”

431151 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Major Panic, 9, #1198 of 1890 🔗

Can you convert from being a Jedi?

431157 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1199 of 1890 🔗

I think you can convert if you send some $s, even Jedis

431163 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Two-Six, #1200 of 1890 🔗

“Laying on of hands to the vertebrae shall be the sole means of maintaining the LIFE FORCE through Universal Wisdom” http://cuwisdom.org/purpose.php

Seems to be compatible with Jedism.

431167 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #1201 of 1890 🔗

Do Jedi’s even need jabs?

431177 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Two-Six, 2, #1202 of 1890 🔗

About as much as they need Jabbas.

431166 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1203 of 1890 🔗

Well, there’s supposed to be a census next month according to a card I had through the door. If enough of us subscribe to a religion, I believe it becomes recognised a la Jedi.

431170 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 2, #1204 of 1890 🔗


431179 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Two-Six, #1205 of 1890 🔗


431188 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Two-Six, #1206 of 1890 🔗

Do Jedi-s have any issues with vaccines yet?

431201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Major Panic, #1207 of 1890 🔗

To be honest I am not a Star wars geek so I can’t cite any specific examples of injections in the lore, I am just in it for the lightsabres
and the Mind-Melding

431457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Two-Six, #1208 of 1890 🔗

I’m going to ignore it again, and dare them to come to the door.

431218 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to leggy, #1209 of 1890 🔗

We were having a laugh last night going through the online questionnaire. Currently working on what my gender or religion might be, but I’m certainly going to put that my main language is Polari. Bona to vada your jolly old eek!

There are all sorts of internal inconsistencies too: for example, should you take the forms seriously, it is perfectly understandable if you check both ‘married’ AND ‘divorced’ boxes under whatever that question is (can’t be fagged to look it up).

431172 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Major Panic, 5, #1210 of 1890 🔗

I wonder if we could convince a certain religion that there are pork products in the vaccines? That would soon bring an end to the nonsense.

431173 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1211 of 1890 🔗

In all seriousness, is this a way out? Particularly if I put it on my census response, so it becomes semi-official. We can trap them in their own web of laws re. not discriminating against religions etc.

431208 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kenadams, #1212 of 1890 🔗

its worth a pop

431150 stephenhoffman, replying to stephenhoffman, 9, #1213 of 1890 🔗

Let’s all stop pretending that Neil Ferguson has a conscience. Trying to convince him he’s wrong (through email exchanges no less) is wasted breath. A new fusion of tech, media and government has cast its nets over us. It marshaled its strength during the 2001 foot-and-mouth outbreak (kudos to Lockdown Skeptics for linking to John Louis-Stempel’s UnHerd article about the event) and now has come to full maturity thanks to Covid-19. But we’re smart, right? We can find a way out of this maze? Nope. We like to think of ourselves as the animal who uses tools—language, ideas, computer models. But tools use us. The unappetizing submission of computer geeks like Neil Ferguson to this ugly fate is what makes them prosper in times like ours. Deep down they see that we abhor the stench of burning animals (read Lewis-Stempel’s sickening article) less than we revel in the sheer technological marvel of our divine overlord—computer code.

431211 ▶▶ stewart, replying to stephenhoffman, 5, #1214 of 1890 🔗

When I read someone write to him with “I have no doubt you are a decent person” or something like that the sensation I get is similar to screeching nails on a blackboard.

431362 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stewart, #1215 of 1890 🔗

Same here.
I would dispute both words.

431155 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 95, #1216 of 1890 🔗

So it’s been a bit of a momentous day for me today. I know many of you will think I have been a bit wet for not doing this sooner, but I’ve just come back from Screwfix and B&Q where I went in and DID NOT wear a mask. I was so angry at everything I thought it’s about time I stood up and said no.
B&Q – young girl at the door asked if I had a mask, after we exchanged hellos, I said I was exempt and that was it. I even had a lovely conversation with another masked employee who seemed unbothered standing right next to me and looking at stock levels on my phone. There was also one employee unmasked.
Screwfix – was a bit worried as I’ve been here loads and they might realise that I’d always worn a mask. But nope, not a word said at all and the young man serving was as pleasant as always.
Felt a little victorious and very much liberated.

I know many of you have been doing this from day one. But I haven’t been brave enough till today. But I did it and now I plan on never putting a nappy over my face ever again.

431160 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Redundant Pilot, 17, #1217 of 1890 🔗

Seatbelts sign…off…check

431169 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Two-Six, 23, #1218 of 1890 🔗

Please return the air hostesses to the upright position.

431165 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #1219 of 1890 🔗

Well done!!

431171 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Redundant Pilot, 13, #1220 of 1890 🔗

Well done! It feels great doesn’t it? One of my favourite parts of the lockdown was going xmas shopping in December and going on the tube and then around Westfield shopping centre (those not in London – it is a mahoosive shopping centre in Stratford, all indoors) without a mask on the whole time. I walked around like I was ten feet tall.

431185 ▶▶ Maverick, replying to Redundant Pilot, 13, #1221 of 1890 🔗

Well done, better late than never. Two magic words – “I’m exempt”. That’s all it takes. Keep it up. I now often find a more enthusiastic response from shop staff. It’s as if they know it’s all bollox and appreciate us standing up to it. If you feel you need back-up, just buy a sunflower card/lanyard online and keep it in your pocket for if you come up against some nazi. I’ve had one since April 2020 and only needed it once.

431403 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Maverick, 2, #1222 of 1890 🔗

jfi, I say “I have exempted myself” followed by “stop harassing me; one more time and you are committing a criminal offence under the 1997 Harassment Act.

431220 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Redundant Pilot, 9, #1223 of 1890 🔗

Great! And just remember, it gets easier every time.

431223 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Redundant Pilot, 11, #1224 of 1890 🔗

Excellent, I’ve just been to homebase unsmothered, the staff (smothered) outnumbered the customers (smothered). I had to go to the click and collect desk which was just inside the door but they have some elaborate 1 way system in place, after weaving my way around the shop I was expecting someone with a chequered flag at the other end. Crazy.

The staff didn’t bat an eye at my naked face.

Keep going 👍🏻

431236 ▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Redundant Pilot, 5, #1225 of 1890 🔗

Liberating, isn’t it? 🙂

431253 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #1226 of 1890 🔗

Well done.

Great feeling isn’t it to be “free”?

431260 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #1227 of 1890 🔗

Tis late to hearken, late to smile,
But better late than never.
I shall have lived a little while
Before I die for ever.

A.E. Housman , A Shropshire Lad

431276 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Redundant Pilot, 11, #1228 of 1890 🔗

And so it begins. That act of rebellion will go a long way. If we all dropped the masks tomorrow the government would be scared to keep doing this. They would get the message.

431361 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Redundant Pilot, 11, #1229 of 1890 🔗

I can’t blame people for wearing nappies if they’re scared of fines, or nasty reactions from zombies. I know how nasty zombies can be.
But, as the Good Book saith, there is more joy in sceptic heaven over one nappy-wearer that repenteth than over ninety and nine who never put on the foul thing.
Welcome back into the human race, Pilot!

431400 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #1230 of 1890 🔗

Well done friend/comrade!

431421 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #1231 of 1890 🔗

Great! You have taken that first step and have been liberated. No going back now 🙂

431422 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #1232 of 1890 🔗

Well done. Once you’ve done it, there’s no turning back.

431161 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 11, #1233 of 1890 🔗

So, Keir Starmer has urged Johnson not to bow to pressure from the CRG and John McDonnell wants to keep the schools closed. Makes you wonder if these people would like to keep some restrictions going indefinitely. Does Starmer ever consult with Neil Ferguson? It would be interesting to know.

431180 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JamesM, 4, #1234 of 1890 🔗

Blairites in full agreement with the Corbynites on panicking over covid, it seems.

Enthusiastic support for the “right wing” lockdown, it appears. If only they had consulted with our resident lefties here who have seen through the cover story and recognised its right wing nature.


Socialist Campaign Group of Labour MPs 30th Jan 2021

Signed by
Diane Abbott MP
Tahir Ali MP
Apsana Begum MP
Christine Blower, House of Lords
Pauline Bryan, House of Lords
Richard Burgon MP
Dawn Butler MP
Ian Byrne MP
Dan Carden MP
Shami Chakrabarti, House of Lords
Katy Clark, House of Lords
Jeremy Corbyn MP
Bryn Davies, House of Lords
Mary Kelly Foy MP
John Hendy, House of Lords
Ian Lavery MP
Rebecca Long-Bailey MP
John McDonnell MP
Ian Mearns MP
Grahame Morris MP
Kate Osborne MP
Bell Ribeiro-Addy MP
Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP
Zarah Sultana MP
Jon Trickett MP
Claudia Webbe MP
Mick Whitley MP
Nadia Whittome MP
Beth Winter MP
Tony Woodley, House of Lords.

431194 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 9, #1235 of 1890 🔗

We need some new opposition

431203 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1236 of 1890 🔗


431202 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 14, #1237 of 1890 🔗

Shami Chakrabarti, House of Lords

Note the presence of this particularly contemptible little weasel, in amongst the most grossly anti-liberty group of politicians in modern British history.

This worm posed as an advocate of liberty and human rights, as a director of Liberty, from 2001 to 2016, so small wonder that organisation turned out to be such a complete failure during the era of “hate speech” speech-crime laws. As with almost all such leftwing supposed advocates of liberty and human rights, her only concern was how those principles could best be turned and twisted to pushing forward her personal and political agendas.

Now we see the true contempt in which she holds both liberty and human rights.

431237 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Mark, 6, #1238 of 1890 🔗

always up for liberty of the odd political prisoner abroad.
when it comes to the liberty of 60million political prisoners at home. the response from Shami is deafening. Shame Shame Shami .
As as for the rest of the signatories , any list containing Abbot and Burgon has to be a comedy list.
If the schools dont go back soon millions of kids will grow up as thick as those two … Somewhere between two short planks and pigshit on the thickness scale

431206 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 4, #1239 of 1890 🔗

I prefer a zero-suicide policy – everything else should fit around that

431216 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark, 2, #1240 of 1890 🔗

Saves me writing out a new list, I will just name it Appendix ‘A’

431234 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark, 8, #1241 of 1890 🔗

Diane abbot can’t even wear her shoes on the correct feet. She probably thinks zero covid is a new soft drink.

431257 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #1242 of 1890 🔗

our resident lefties here who have seen through the cover story and recognised its right wing nature.”

Correct, Marcus Oralanus. It’s a fact that we have constantly pointed out – this is factually a right wing scam, using typical right-wing populist methodology (‘the enemy within’) that no decent democratic libertarian ‘lefty’ should fall for. The roots are clearly in the Thatcherite grovelling to financialization and global corporate wealth.

We have no problem in telling it as it is, and noting the similarity between the obsessive self-identifying right here (aka ‘The Trumpettes’) and the Tooting Trots that you find on ‘Skwawkbox’ (aka ‘Wolfies’) – both paddling around in the toddlers’ pool of political philosophy.

Both tend to spend more time exploring their respective fundamental orifices than tackling the issue in hand, with a shared mindset that is stuck in the simplicities of the right/left time warp.

431305 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 2, #1243 of 1890 🔗

Left right, Left right, Left right, Left right, HALT!

431314 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 1, #1244 of 1890 🔗

Correct, Marcus Oralanus .”

Gosh, that’s clever, RickH. Toddler level personal abused thinly concealed beneath a veneer of latin. Al Johnson would love it!

noting the similarity between the obsessive self-identifying right here (aka ‘The Trumpettes’) and the Tooting Trots that you find on ‘Skwawkbox’ (aka ‘Wolfies’) – both paddling around in the toddlers’ pool of political philosophy.
Both tend to spend more time exploring their respective fundamental orifices than tackling the issue in hand, with a shared mindset that is stuck in the simplicities of the right/left time warp .”

Do you really think this kind of childish personal abuse is useful?

Perhaps you could instead explain how it is that you and a couple of other leftists here have seen what has so obviously eluded all the elected representatives whose praises you were no doubt singing when you thought they might have a chance of forming the government of this country.

But that would require substance rather than empty, childish abuse. Not your strong point on this topic, evidently, presumably because you know you have no leg to stand on.

431162 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 58, #1245 of 1890 🔗

I went to sleep one night and the following morning woke up in Nazi Germany

Most of the people I had known all my life had joined The Party and wore The Party badge

The people had made hatred the centre of their existence. They denounced and betrayed with all the enthusiasm of the lynch mob

Scientists plotted, told lies, and dreamt up ways of making money out of killing people

Doctors now hated patients. Hospitals now hated the sick. Teachers now hated children

The courts hated justice

Neighbour hated neighbour

Politicians hated everyone

People with money made more money

431187 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1246 of 1890 🔗

Biographies of successful people often claim that they benefitted by wise and encouraging words from their parents or teachers
My parents , worn out and dying early after decades of interwar recessions ,WW2 and the never, never ending rationing and shortages that followed had just these words for me:
“money goes to money ”
“evil always wins” .
Never more true than today.

431292 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mikewaite, 6, #1247 of 1890 🔗

Evil didn’t win then.
Evil won’t win this time.

431289 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1248 of 1890 🔗

And people who looked different, or had the wrong ‘blood’, were persecuted.
Feels just like home.

431383 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1249 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I have felt like this for months. It’s awful and we must fight back.

Perhaps the best way to approach this is to note how most of us here actually would not have been the type of German who went along with the authorities. I take great comfort in that thought.

431182 FerdIII, 13, #1250 of 1890 🔗

Question to the Vaxxists. By Feb 14th, 94% of over 70s in the UK had been jabbed.

There are 8.8 million 70+ in the UK. 6% unvaxx’d equals 528.000.

Since Feb 14th we have had 4.000 dead from the Rona, average age still over 80.

So are the Vaxxists telling me that the 4.000 dead are from the unvaxx’d 528 K? This is 0.75% mortality rate for that group (still very very low isn’t it?).

Is there any proof to that claim?

Or to question another way, if 94% of the old are jabbed, who the hell is now dying from the Corona and why?

(does the vaxx not work, does it take ‘weeks’ to work, are the dead from the vaxx counted as Rona-dead?)

Maybe the Fake News and the sociopaths running this prison, might like to find out?

431207 isobar, replying to isobar, 5, #1251 of 1890 🔗

Something strange going on in Sweden
‘Sweden reverses its coronavirus facemask scepticism and urges people to wear them on public transport, at work and in shops as cases surge’

431215 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to isobar, 7, #1252 of 1890 🔗

I would be wary of putting too much stock into what’s reported in the UK press about Sweden. Even according to that article masks are only being recommended with no mandates as yet.

431235 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Chicot, #1253 of 1890 🔗

Agree, but find it a bit worrying given that they are reportedly heavily into ‘vaccine passports’ . Can’t help but feel they have been got at.

431225 ▶▶ RickH, replying to isobar, #1254 of 1890 🔗

facemask scepticism

I thought it was just that allegedly popular pursuit of ‘following the science’ 🙂

431230 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to isobar, 4, #1255 of 1890 🔗


7-da moving average of ‘covid deaths’ is now 4 in Sweden

0.4 per million per day.

Compared to 480, or about 7.5 per million per day in the UK

The 7-day moving average of ‘cases’ in Sweden has increased from about 2800 3 weeks ago to about 3500 now.

However the share of cases which is positive has been declining since the first week of January meaning that the increase in absolute numbers of ‘cases’ is driven exclusively by massively increased testing.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&time=earliest ..latest&country=~SWE

It’s nonsense.

431240 ▶▶ Will, replying to isobar, #1256 of 1890 🔗

Think the masking is politicians trying to muscle in and claim credit for “beating” the virus. If the increased “cases” don’t lead to increased hospitalisation etc it could be the vaccines that are causing the ripple.

431244 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to isobar, 1, #1257 of 1890 🔗

There is no surge in cases in Sweden and deaths are counted on the fingers of one hand.

431295 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 1, #1258 of 1890 🔗

But urges, not coerces.

431209 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 19, #1259 of 1890 🔗

Right now we have a parallel investigation starting into what caused the Pratt & Whittney PW4000 engine failure on the United Airlines Boeing 777.

Expect excrutiatingly detailed analysis and audit trails along with precise problem attribution and recommended actions.

Basically the opposite of the Covid response

431221 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 2, #1260 of 1890 🔗

Yes, precisely. Proper practical science.

Incidentally, from your Q days do you remember the Nimrod Review? That wasn’t proper science – it was redolent of the covid response.

431267 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to TJN, 3, #1261 of 1890 🔗

I do just barely. It was a lot of finger pointing. It wasn’t my area either but it was political nonetheless. A lot of good engineers left after that I believe. Disillusioned.

431304 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, #1262 of 1890 🔗

I left not long before, and not my area either. But the visceral dishonesty of that safety review was already evident everywhere I looked.

I see huge parallels between my experiences in q at that time and what I’m seeing on a much larger scale now.

431233 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to mhcp, 2, #1263 of 1890 🔗

Really great comparison mhcp, thank you.

I wonder if anyone else ever saw this really good documentary/film a few years ago?

The story of how Richard Feynman (William Hurt), one of America’s most famous scientists, helped to discover the cause of the space shuttle Challenger disaster.
whole movie – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT7Yx5kxYco

431277 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1264 of 1890 🔗

It’s described really well in the book Genius too. You get more of how Feynman really didn’t like the airs and graces of those in power and relied more on talking to the real engineers and scientists.

431288 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to SimonCook, 3, #1265 of 1890 🔗

The quote: “ reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled”

431210 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1266 of 1890 🔗

In this upside down world I just switched on talk sport for a bit of escapism. Anyway the subject is “Are West Ham United better without fans in the stadium?”

431297 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Steeve, 2, #1267 of 1890 🔗

Not been the same since they left their spiritual home.

Reminds me a bit of Southampton, The Dell to St Mary’s. Fans so close to pitch intimidated opposition

431217 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 12, #1268 of 1890 🔗

The fat lardy bag of poop’s roadmap to freedom feels like a 4 month long slsdgehammer with an extendible handle that is smacking me in the head. Not such a good day today with the weight of another 4 month’s of lockdown bollocks with still no real end in sight.

431452 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1269 of 1890 🔗

No – agree – shit day

431224 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 19, #1270 of 1890 🔗

This Government is Evil. That’s all I have to say.

431338 ▶▶ Annie, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 1, #1271 of 1890 🔗

You’ve summed it all up. Say no more.

431348 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, #1272 of 1890 🔗

I’d be happy to pluralise that too.

431228 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1273 of 1890 🔗

Was talking to my boss just now (Teams Call – not in person unfortunately).

She told me that in the area of rural Ireland where she is from originally (won’t say where as it would only set the police on them), the local priest does his Zoom mass on Sunday and then receives people in the church to take communion. Apparently people are driving from miles around to partake.

What pisses me off about Ireland (many things but this is one of the big ones) is how people will claim compliance and even lash out at those overtly not complying with the rules, whilst all the time breaking the rules themselves. If they were all to visit the local Garda (police) and explain to him/her that they were no longer welcome in the community due to their behaviour, this shitshow would be over tomorrow.

431380 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1274 of 1890 🔗

Hypocrisy is not unique to the Irish! I see plenty of it here and elsewhere in the world.

Totally agree about the need to break through this double standard and stop the madness (now).

431229 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 30, #1275 of 1890 🔗

Just fired this off:

Kathryn Stone OBE
Commons Parliamentary Standards Commissioner


I, (you need to put your fulla nem and address before they will consider an investigation) am writing to you to officially request of you, as Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, to conduct an investigation into the actions of Matthew John David Hancock, the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care as he has brought the House of Commons into total disrepute and has broken the required standards that members must abide by.

The reasons for this are, but not limited to:

1 – Been found guilty in a court of law for deliberately not putting into the public domain issued and signed contracts within the specified timeframe as required by the relevant legislation

2 – for claiming it is acceptable to break the law “if it saves one life” while denying this defence to the rest of the population

3 – for being involved in the deliberate award of contracts to “friends and close acquaintances” (cronyism)

4 – for approving and awarding contracts to companies that had no experience in the supply of PPE, had no knowledge of the supply of PPE, had no assets and were set up with the sole reason to be awarded the said contract and who were totally unsuitable to be awarded the contracts

5 – for holding Parliament in contempt for not answering any questions honestly and openly when questioned in Parliament

6 – for the possible crimes of fraud and laundering money from the public purse to selected companies with personal connections between the persons of controlling interest and Matthew John David Hancock, the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

In the Parliamentary standards and the associated Code of Conduct it states:

“Members shall never undertake any action which would cause significant damage to the reputation and integrity of the House of Commons as a whole, or of its Members generally.”

“Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.”


“Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.”


“Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions that they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.”

“Holders of public office should take decisions solely in terms of the public interest.”

Matthew John David Hancock, the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care has deliberately and with forethought broken all the above Codes.

I have read and understood the Code of Conduct for Members so there is no need to refer to it or send me links to it in your reply.

I look forward to the results of your investigation.

431293 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1276 of 1890 🔗

Great stuff as ever AG

431301 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Awkward Git, -2, #1277 of 1890 🔗

Just fired this off:

Probably failed to detonate like the other 5 billion emails that went straight to spam. Come on people do you really think sending an email to one of your abusers begging them to stop abusing you is a winning strategy, wake up ffs.

431311 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1278 of 1890 🔗

But it’s doing something constructive and it’s logged and registered for if/when an inquiry happens or I meet one of these fuckers in a dark alley one day.

Rioting will just play into their hands and justify harder lockdowns and removal of rights.

Or will you just sit on your arse in your onesies playing X-box and Playstation in your bedroom and moaning on social media that deliveroo took too long to deliver your food and comparing masks and asking advice on which one goes with what outfit?

What positive advice do you have then?

431332 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Awkward Git, -3, #1279 of 1890 🔗

Getting angry is constructive, keyboard warriors writing emails is self-defeating.

431347 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1280 of 1890 🔗

I’m sure awkward git is angry. The fuck you on about?

431414 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JHUNTZ, -2, #1281 of 1890 🔗

fuck you back, you think writing emails to your jailers pleading for your freedom will win your freedom back? Take a long hard look in the mirror, do you see a dupe?

431507 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1282 of 1890 🔗

What are you on about??? I am furious as to what is happening as are many on here. However, as it stands we don’t even have 30% of the population anywhere near angry enough. Anyone I try to influence has the blinkers on.

431489 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1283 of 1890 🔗

Getting angry is constructive,
Is it? Is it really? Not if getting angry is all that you do. Do you think Hancock is crouching in the corner, biting his nails and quivering because he some how got a telepathic message that Anti-socialist is angry?
Dont think so. Whereas an email passionate or completely objective would tell him that there are people out there tracking him and his antics and where there is one there will be more – and he has nowhere to hide.

431384 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1284 of 1890 🔗

AG is a stalwart lockdown sceptic who has rattled very many cages as far as I can tell.

431621 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1285 of 1890 🔗

AG, you can also add Lying to Parliament about:
Mad Hancock told Parliament that he had commissioned a study into vitamin D and found it had no effect. No such study existed. He lied.

That was not a mistake. That was not ‘Dominic Cummings ate my homework so it’s late’. That was not passing lucrative contracts to his mates.

The vitamin D lie was deliberate and potentially devastating. Most of those who got very sick and died with Covid were vitamin D deficient. A cheap supplement could have saved at least some of them and possibly made the disease far less nasty to many others.

431238 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 16, #1286 of 1890 🔗

Some interesting worm turning going on. Even that bastion of vitue-signalling, wokeness and self-delusion, Mumsnet, a worm so big it wouldnt be out of place in a movie version of Dune, seems to be filling up with comments on our side……personal responsibility, a sense of proportion about risk, bedwetting teacher abuse etc.

Doesnt mean anything really, but its quite a surprise……


431258 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 5, #1287 of 1890 🔗


431287 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #1288 of 1890 🔗

Who trolls mumsnet?

431451 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Anti_socialist, #1289 of 1890 🔗

that snakepit? no chance

431300 ▶▶ stevie, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 1, #1290 of 1890 🔗

In the early days (last year) I remember they had threads regarding the NHS not responding to emergencies due to Covid and a number of comments from nurses etc. Maybe should have saved them.

431327 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to stevie, #1291 of 1890 🔗

I read that. The forum police were trying their best to discredit the claimed nurses.

431357 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 2, #1292 of 1890 🔗

I love the Dune reference!

Let’s hope the ‘worm’ is turning. I’m cautiously optimistic that spring will bring a change.

431241 stewart, replying to stewart, 18, #1293 of 1890 🔗

The road map is first and foremost a plan for making sure the people in government can claim to have saved the country from a deadly virus, that it was their actions that saved us and to crush any notion that this would have come and gone by itself and that measures were a waste of time.

In short it is a plan to cover up the atrocities they have committed.

431243 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to stewart, 6, #1294 of 1890 🔗

And to gain loads of pats on the back at the G7 in June.

431250 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1295 of 1890 🔗

Dictatorships are hard to dismantle because partly because dictators fear the retribution. This one is no different.

As for the G7, they should let China into the club. There is no difference now between them.

431428 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to stewart, #1296 of 1890 🔗

Yesterday’s UK Column had an excellent breakdown how the Davos gang are funding policy wonks to sit around and write policy papers saying the West should be like China.

431247 ▶▶ Will, replying to stewart, 6, #1297 of 1890 🔗

And that has been the plan since the second week of April 2020. The likes of Ferguson are complicit because the truth would not only destroy them but also the reputation of their institutions.

431286 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 6, #1298 of 1890 🔗

Ferguson is a patsie an out of his depth, incompetent narcissist who thinks with his penis, another one captivated by a vapid blonde leftist.

431262 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stewart, 4, #1299 of 1890 🔗

They knew they’d fucked up in April. They’ve been digging ever since.

431270 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 4, #1300 of 1890 🔗

No it is first and foremost to stop the frogs from noticing they are being boiled

431278 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stewart, 2, #1301 of 1890 🔗

You attribute them with too much intelligence, the whole scam is about greed & ego, Tories fill their pockets with yet unpaid taxes extortion money. Whilst one of the planets most infamous psychopaths, has quietly built an empire of poison to make every soul on the planet a money spinner, in a way he never could with his flawed operating system, presumably he got the inspiration from the virus ridden software he once pedalled, which he stole from others! It’s about profit & control.

The Tories have reached new levels of evil.

431315 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1302 of 1890 🔗

Labour et al the same, no difference.

431329 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1303 of 1890 🔗

Don’t worry I have a special kind of HATE reserved for socialism.

431331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1304 of 1890 🔗

All politicians in my case no matter what their political believes.

431411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Awkward Git, #1305 of 1890 🔗

I’m no fan of centralized governance period.

431242 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #1306 of 1890 🔗

After a hard week a new episode out now!


The boys are back to discuss the plan for recovery and the opening of lockdown as promised by our illustrious, all knowing leader Kim Jong Boris. We talk about ramped up testing and associated problems. School children being forced to test and wear facemasks. We delve into FUEU. Plus we read your uplifting emails and look to the future!

431245 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1307 of 1890 🔗

Shall we put in a complaint of fraud against Matt Hancock and his contracts to mates to these guys:


This is the sort of thing they claim to investigate.

431254 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1308 of 1890 🔗

Covid-19 is one big fraud.

431246 Anti_socialist, 4, #1309 of 1890 🔗
431249 BJs Brain is Missing, 15, #1310 of 1890 🔗

Time to abide by Article 61 of Magna Carta. It is now your duty to defend this country from High Treason and Sedition.

431252 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 27, #1311 of 1890 🔗

The first rule of the roadmap is that there is no roadmap.

Step 4 will never happen. Step 3 may temporarily happen but later than on the promised timeline and only then very briefly.

The only way out of this is for the British people to ignore the government.

431263 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Richard O, 14, #1312 of 1890 🔗

We are trapped in a game of snakes and ladders where some bastard has stolen all the ladders and given us a dice with big fat zeroes on it. We need to get out of the game.

431313 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1313 of 1890 🔗

That’s an excellent analogy. Getting out of the game might mean physical death, and I’m up for that if it’s the only option left. I’ve already withdrawn from the external world to such an extent that to go that one step further is really not that big of a deal.

431387 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1314 of 1890 🔗

And every snake sends us back to 23rd March 2020. This will only end when enough players tire of the game.

431350 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 2, #1315 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I agree. The ‘roadmap’ is more bullshit and the only way out is for people to say ‘enough’s enough’ and just get on with their lives. I’m cautiously optimistic that things are moving that way. We’ll see in March.

431255 ThomasT, 4, #1316 of 1890 🔗

I thought it was quite funny Ferguson links to a “Conspiracy Theory” guide on a Climate Change website of all places.

431256 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1317 of 1890 🔗

What has been the result of the surge testing? Much variant found?

431268 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1318 of 1890 🔗

Would that be Variants of concern or just the regular types?

431281 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1319 of 1890 🔗

Suspiciously quiet, isn’t it.

Im sure there is no shortage of willing “guinea pigs” so more likely not finding anything very much.

very similar to Liverpool and Merthyr pilots.

431283 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1320 of 1890 🔗

Not been on telly at all so I guess it found nothing and it’s hoped it’s all forgotten about.

431316 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1321 of 1890 🔗

Sometimes the biggest news is what’s not in the news.

431505 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to leggy, #1322 of 1890 🔗

Reading between the lines.

431259 I am Spartacas, replying to I am Spartacas, 7, #1323 of 1890 🔗

Well, its something to look forward to isn’t it

This was the response by a member of the public who was asked by a radio interviewer what they thought about Boris Johnsons exit strategy that will not see lockdown measures removed until around May.


431265 ▶▶ Julian, replying to I am Spartacas, 6, #1324 of 1890 🔗

In a way it’s incredible, but in a way it’s not

I know very intelligent people who are fairly sceptical and would vote to reopen everything omorrow, who are optimistic and looking forward to restrictions being lifted

People don’t want to believe that things will stay shit because it’s a horrible thought, and they don’t want to be seen as whingers

431274 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 9, #1325 of 1890 🔗

Do you not think this one will be the final straw though. If they don’t lift the restrictions this time people will surely face the reality of the tyranny we are facing?

To me this has to be the last can kicked down the road?

431317 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1326 of 1890 🔗

You’d think

I felt like the last can had been kicked down the road in May last year

431342 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Julian, 2, #1327 of 1890 🔗

I agree, but I really feel the normies that I talk to are hanging on to this plan. If it’s pulled as I expect it will be they will at least stop siding with the government. I hope.

431334 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1328 of 1890 🔗

Exactly! This is how I feel after Mr Johnson’s announcement. There is no way that he can now backtrack from this plan. Before it was all two steps forwards and one back. At my lowest points this past year I have felt utter despair that we would actually never get out of this.

Watching this new authoritarianism sail in on the back of this exaggerated pandemic with the obedience of the masses has shaken my trust in the common man being of good sense. That will leave a scar but I actually feel better today unlike many here, knowing that this really is the ‘last can’ as you put it.

431344 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Marialta, 3, #1329 of 1890 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised if he reverses it but i’d just be happier for the public to wake up as I think it would do.

431378 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1330 of 1890 🔗

We all waited for widespread civil disobedience last year which did not happen. The brainwashing was highly successful. This year, if people don’t get the summer they expect there will be big trouble.

431500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Marialta, 1, #1331 of 1890 🔗

I did not expect it last year because this thing was too new. However, people will inevitably get sick of it and yearn for a more normal life this year.

431446 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1332 of 1890 🔗

I think it’s possibly the last time they can kick the can using Covid as a reason. After this they’ll have to come up with something else – cyberterrorism, eco-disaster or induced financial collapse is my guess.

431502 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cranmer, #1333 of 1890 🔗

I don’t think people will buy the cyber and eco thing quite the same especially after this debacle. The invisible scary virus was just too alluring for the normies.

431504 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1334 of 1890 🔗

All of those are risky strategies. And I agree, using Covid is passing its sell-by date and there are limits to public gullibility. Believe it or not.

431601 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cranmer, #1335 of 1890 🔗

I figure they will drop the power grid and zero everyone’s accounts.

431282 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to I am Spartacas, 17, #1336 of 1890 🔗

But what they boradacst is cherry picked to meet what the narrative they want to portray is.

Notice how not one “news” show ever interviews any dissenting opinions?

Strange that isn’t it?

Not one dissenter?

431264 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 38, #1337 of 1890 🔗

I’m not the only ex-teacher on here who is absolutely horrified by the idea of pupils having to wear masks in classrooms.

My classroom, in a 1930s building, was unbearable during June and July when the sun shone. There were blinds at the windows which trapped in the heat or, if the windows were open, the blinds would flap in the wind. I did have a couple of small fans in the room but they just redistributed the warm air.

Teaching and learning in those suffocating conditions, while children are forced to wear masks, is akin to torture. I hope schools are equipped with large medical rooms. They will need them.

In addition, how on earth will it be possible to teach foreign languages for example, when the teacher cannot hear the pupil’s pronunciation and is unable to lip read because the pupil is wearing a mask?

431294 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Margaret, 12, #1338 of 1890 🔗

Teachers are as feeble as the rest of the population. They will go along with what the shrill few demand and will comply so as not to be seen as troublesome.

It just.looks worse when teachers do it because their weakness leads directly to the torture.of children.

431354 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stewart, 1, #1339 of 1890 🔗

It looks even worse when parents do it.

431296 ▶▶ IvanDP, replying to Margaret, 29, #1340 of 1890 🔗

Not a teacher, but in full agreement with you.
As a bus driver, we have a couple of regular routes that carry quite a large number of schoolkids. (when the schools are actually open that is)
These kids, depending on where they live can face up to a half hour journey each way to school and back. Masked up of course, by order of the Government
So from approximately 7:45am to 4:30pm these kids are going to be compulsorily muzzled.
Surely people can see that this is not right.

431312 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, #1341 of 1890 🔗

Which is pretty much what Johnson said himself just a few short months ago.


431352 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Margaret, 2, #1342 of 1890 🔗

Foreign language teaching to muzzled victims is utterly impossible.

431450 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 1, #1343 of 1890 🔗

Wholeheartedly agree (as a former language teacher).

431416 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 2, #1344 of 1890 🔗

I’m an ex-teacher and fully agree with you.

It will be interesting to see how kids will try to subvert this. They’ve found ways around sanitiser so it will be with muzzles.

431271 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #1345 of 1890 🔗

The share of ‘test’ results which were positive in the UK fell from a peak of 12.8% on January 4th to 2.2 % on F_ebruary 18th


https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&time=earliest ..latest&country=~GBR

431302 ▶▶ Will, replying to rockoman, 1, #1346 of 1890 🔗

Peak of infections actually in December…

431298 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, #1347 of 1890 🔗

I was against the use of sharks in the vaccine, but wasn’t expecting it to lead to this!!


431299 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1348 of 1890 🔗


431341 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Annie, #1349 of 1890 🔗

Oh well, it’s tomorrow’s fish n chips

431303 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 57, #1350 of 1890 🔗

I have just been delivering some ‘Back to Normal’ postcards and someone came up to me and thanked me for the leaflet. We had a short discussion without any anti-social distancing and then shook hands – he said it was the first time he had shaken hands for a year!
It made it all worth while and it cheered me up no end!
The same thing happened on Sunday afternoon and I did get the contact details from him so I hope to get someone to help me.
I know that people here are continually saying that our message is getting through but it is difficult to believe that at times; it often seems like wishful thinking.
Then one encounters incidents like this.
Keep plugging away!

431308 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Stephanos, 8, #1351 of 1890 🔗

Brilliant. Well done!

431318 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Stephanos, #1352 of 1890 🔗


The down vote is me, and I can’t change it, an up was mentioned. Bloody iPad

431498 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Lindy, 1, #1353 of 1890 🔗

Lindy if you ever vote by mistake you can vote the other way to cancel it out. 🙂

431322 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Stephanos, 3, #1354 of 1890 🔗

WOW! No seriously I’m blown over at what little makes people satisfied! I DON’T WANT THE OLD NORMAL, I want total freedom & control over my life & I’m ready to fight for it not shake fucking hands in surrender.

431443 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1355 of 1890 🔗

Met 2 more sceptics at the weekend – hand shakes when we met – hugs when we left for home.
Bloody great.

431346 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Stephanos, 5, #1356 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for this – the best thing I have read all day! You are making a real difference.

431413 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stephanos, 1, #1357 of 1890 🔗

Thank you and well done!!!!

431310 Anti_socialist, #1358 of 1890 🔗
431319 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1359 of 1890 🔗

The vax situation in France:


And Israel:

“Hot off the Israeli press: 50 pregnant women in israel are in hospital , 8 in critical condition, one just died! This happens in a country that vaccinated half of its population. The most crucial question is what is it that the vaccinated trigger in their environment. I also read on Israeli social media reports from israel about babies refusing to be breastfed once the mother is vaccinated .. also saw Israeli reports on women bleeding heavily following vaccination.. I am not a doctor but all of that is worrying .. it is pretty clear to me why half of the Israelis refuse to vaccinate despite the insane government pressure..”

And Germany:

German Attorney Reiner Fuellmich, …… recently published an interview with a whistleblower who works inside a nursing home in Berlin.

The interview is in German. …. The whistleblower describes how German soldiers accompanied nurses to administer the vaccines, and that there was no informed consent, and some who resisted were vaccinated anyway.

The whistleblower then gives first hand knowledge of how the health of the residents rapidly declined soon after vaccination, resulting in 8 of the 31 residents dying within a few weeks.

While these residents reportedly suffered from dementia, they were allegedly all in good physical health prior to the injections. They had also tested negative for COVID, but began to test positive after the injections.

According to the whistleblower’s first hand knowledge and observation, the deaths of these seniors were “inhumane.”

“Normally, the person dying would eventually accept their approaching death and – perhaps after seeing a loved one for the last time – go in peace.

Dying as after vaccination, however, was different, he said.

The old people he had seen dying had breathed heavily, trembled strongly, and seemed as if inwardly they had passed away already. It seemed to him like a lonely, futile struggle against death, as if the people knew that their time had not yet come, and therefore they had not yet been able to let go.”

Attorney at Law Viviane Fischer filed a criminal complaint with the public prosecutor’s office, and informed the police as well.

431323 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1360 of 1890 🔗

Do you have the link for the Israel quote?

431330 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1361 of 1890 🔗

Even after every mad thing that has happened this year, I still cannot believe that there have been people arguing for pregnant women to be vaccinated, with zero safety checks for this group. Kids, same.

431337 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1362 of 1890 🔗

The lack of perspective or knowledge. They’ve really ruined things.

431392 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1363 of 1890 🔗

It just shows how selfish the zealots are, they do not care one jot about any damage from lockdown, masks and now jabs. They believe they are 100% right and to hell with any problems to other people.

431360 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1364 of 1890 🔗

Horrendous. I read yesterday that a pregnant twenty something in Poland went for a jab “to protect her baby”, despite her doctor’s warning. She miscarried the next day. Nothing to do with the jab of course.

431494 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to leggy, 4, #1365 of 1890 🔗

Vaccines are now the leading cause of coincidences.

431320 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #1366 of 1890 🔗
  1. The positive correlation between the extent of the perception of infectious disease and authoritarianism is well known.
  2. The government has actively engaged in a campaign to ensure that as many people as possible feel personally threatened by an infectious disease.
  3. The government signed contracts for this psyop three weeks prior to Boris Johnson announcing the lockdown measures in March 2020.
  4. The government used the fear of the “pandemic” to push through parliament the Coronavirus Act 2020, which enabled the government to rule by ministerial decree (Part 2 Section 90).
  5. The government encouraged various institutions, including the police, to impose guidance as though it were law.
  6. The government encouraged individuals and groups and organisations to use public shaming of non-conformists.
  7. The government characterised any criticism of the official narrative as dangerous, mad and immoral to justify censorship.
  8. The government has exploited its constructed fear of the virus to justify its authoritarianism, and used its authoritarianism to ramp up the fear of the virus in a vicious cycle.
  9. Emotive rhetoric has defenestrated reason and evidence.
431442 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1367 of 1890 🔗

Good summary. The government has also obfuscated the difference between law and guidance and has allowed the clarification of points of law and guidance to be done off the cuff by ministerial decree, eg Gove clarifying on air how long the unspecified period of daily exercise should be.

431482 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, #1368 of 1890 🔗

Or `Hancock off the cuff in a television interview asserting that sunbathing was illegal.

431523 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cranmer, #1369 of 1890 🔗

I also think the guidance v law is one of the main things which defines those of us on LS and the zealots. We all take the time to find out the differences between the SI’s and the “guidance”. If the zealots realised that most of which they have been abiding by and snitching on those who have not was not actually law, I wonder if their minds may have be changed, I doubt it but does show what fools they have all been.

431321 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1370 of 1890 🔗

Don’t know if posted already, Joel Smalley taking on the claim that the tax is working spectacularly


431336 ▶▶ guy153, replying to PoshPanic, -2, #1371 of 1890 🔗

You mean the vax 🙂

Smalley is right of course. The vax does work but it’s too late to make any difference because the winter peak has already passed.

The place it will make a difference is AU and NZ.

But still I’d rather the BBC believe it’s all because of the vax because it may prevent them drifting towards hysteria about variants and wanting lockdowns forever. It’s too much to expect them to grapple with anything as subtle as the actual truth.

All the vaccines work fine against all the variants by the way. In fact a recent infection by a far more distantly common cold coronavirus works almost as well as a vaccine at keeping you out of the ICU (though much less well at preventing you getting ill at all).

431353 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to guy153, 3, #1372 of 1890 🔗

Ooops, vax n tax!

I guess all eyes on Au and NZ as they go through autumn and winter.

431325 Stellacartoonist, replying to Stellacartoonist, 6, #1373 of 1890 🔗

Love her or hate her, KH does a better Boris than Boris! https://youtu.be/j2-Xq0qZg7Y

431382 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Stellacartoonist, #1374 of 1890 🔗

Just needs a lot of padding for the full effect

431328 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #1375 of 1890 🔗

Anyone believe that the virus is still the issue? At the beginning Whitty described how it would affect the majority, which was very little, then those with agenda’s got in on the act and it was all weaponised, into what we have now. Culminating in Blair’s push to get domestic ID. He has tried in many ways but failed, hopefully it will again. But it no longer seems like the virus has anything to do with the lockdowns, removing of freedoms etc.

431379 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1376 of 1890 🔗

The big elephant in the room is was it ever about the virus?

431429 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1377 of 1890 🔗

Then the Mammouth in the room must be, was there ever a virus or were the deaths really from existing and traditonal causes. After all, what evidence do we really have it existed other than a fraudulent test and their word. No other evidence, such as the actual virus, has ever been produced.

431434 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Richy_m_99, #1378 of 1890 🔗

True. If “it” had never been given a name and 2020/21 had been spoken about as a bad year for flu/respiratory illnesses none of this would have happened.

431462 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1379 of 1890 🔗

Of course not!!! It’s about selling vaccines – huge business!

431463 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1380 of 1890 🔗

Medicine for profit is about as UNETHICAL as you can get!

431335 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 22, #1381 of 1890 🔗

We shall be writing an email to our children’s school very soon, expressing our feelings regarding masks and testing. I expect the content may well include,

Can the school guarantee that my child will not suffer physically, emotionally and mentally from mask wearing and testing? Have they done a risk assessment? Do they have a clue about the longer term effects of wearing face covering and living in a society without smiles? Do they have a clue how unhygienic children and young people are with masks? Do they understand the side effects on anxiety levels of constant testing. Unless I can have these questions answered to my satisfaction and a signature from the Headteacher accepting full liability for any side effects, then my children will attend school unmasked and we will refuse all testing.

We may of course just need to ask for exemptions, it depends on whether the school will play ball and give us those first.

431355 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Liberty, 24, #1382 of 1890 🔗

One does not ask for an exemption, one asserts one is exempt.

431371 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1383 of 1890 🔗

Good point

431376 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #1384 of 1890 🔗

Spot on Steve. Why don’t people know this?

431418 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bungle, 3, #1385 of 1890 🔗

I do not know. The government could not have been clearer. It is obvious from the law and even more clearly spelt out in the guidance.

431394 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Liberty, 4, #1386 of 1890 🔗

Just tell them that your kids are exempt. School have a duty to care for all children and if you say it will affect their mental health it should be end of. My son’s school have so far been excellent in this regard. Good luck.

431410 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #1387 of 1890 🔗

Agree. It’s the same with work and my employers have been excellent in that regard.

431492 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 3, #1388 of 1890 🔗

Here in Ontario, Canada they are treating exempt children horribly. Harassing them constantly for not wearing a mask, segregating them, or simply saying no to exemptions and forcing the kids online. There is a class action lawsuit in the works, but I don’t think our courts are functioning and I wouldn’t trust that arm of the government to come to the rescue anyway. It’s just appalling.

431531 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1389 of 1890 🔗
431542 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, #1390 of 1890 🔗

Actually, what I’ve read about Mussolini he basically was a right wing authoritarian who cared about the health of his people, so maybe I should take that back. Not an antisemite, apparently. But it was the best hanging photo I could find.

431402 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liberty, 5, #1391 of 1890 🔗

You should also ask if the teacher/nurse who will do the testing will take personal responsibilty for any physical damage done to your children by sticking a probe up their nose. Ask the same of the headteacher.

Ask them how they intend to deal with any illnesses that will result school-wide, e.g. mask mouth, sinus problems, rashes, tooth decay, acne, etc .

431424 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liberty, 2, #1392 of 1890 🔗

What is the position on exemption for children? Presumably the parent simply states on behalf of his/her child ‘my child is exempt’ and that must be accepted in law under the DD Act in the same way it would be if an adult stated it? Otherwise is there a possibility Little Johnny could be taken into the headmaster’s study and asked why he doesn’t wear a mask?

431469 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1393 of 1890 🔗

Yes I told school my son is exempt no further detail than that. He has had his fair share of hassle from lunchtime staff who were ignorant of any exemptions. They told him his friends wear one to protect him so he should wear one. School took that quite seriously. It didn’t happen again.
Everything settled and teachers accepted he is exempt. Until very recently when one questioned his exemption… he couldn’t remember what I’d told him so just said my mum said I am. Made me laugh . I just feel for him when he’ll be surrounded by half faces all day instead of just between classes…

431555 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Sodastream, 2, #1394 of 1890 🔗

I’m so disgusted! I wanted to be a teacher but had a mental breakdown so left university without even completing the first year. Makes me SICK to think these cunts teaching young people.

I wanted to be an English teacher and I taught myself Old English because I thought it would give me a deeper understanding of the subject. It wasn’t required of the course though it still is, I think, a requirement at Oxbridge colleges.

Most teachers are just CUNTS who have breezed through ‘uni’ and want a cushy job on a middle class income. When I heard about ‘classroom management’ it made me sick, and that was when I was a socialist.

Every single one of their leaders should be put on trial and if found guilty HANGED by the neck until dead.

Oh, are you all squeamish about that?

I’LL DO IT! And sleep like a baby afterwards. I HATE these people.

431425 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Liberty, 3, #1395 of 1890 🔗


Lots of letters in here, including ones to schools to decline testing and masks
Don’t do it – just say no.

431459 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 2, #1396 of 1890 🔗

Excellent, Liberty!

431534 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Liberty, 1, #1397 of 1890 🔗

Ask school if they accept long term liability for any children that get lung cancer or other respiratory ailments given masks known role in increasingg these ailments and diseases.
If they won’t accept long term liability that means they know masks are unsafe.


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