2021-02-24

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431954 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #2 of 1532 🔗

WOW the thumbs down trolls are up early.

431963 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #3 of 1532 🔗

Not me guv, I reckon it was because you initially posted a link with no other text which was perceived as being a thinly veiled attempt to be the first poster of the day.

I’m on unpaid leave this week (my employer’s ingenious pay cut by the back door), hence my unusual presence in the early comments of a fresh midweek post.

431974 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Richard O, 7, #4 of 1532 🔗

How China tricked Italy then the World into lockdowns

Ivor Cummins – the Scientific History of Lockdowns – Part 3. What Really Happened!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzVnjgMBDVQ&list=WL&index=18

431990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #5 of 1532 🔗

Does THE Lockdown Sceptic, ever comment?

432322 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #6 of 1532 🔗

Yes I do. here’s a comment for you. Every time I see one of those Covid Marshalls in their olive green uniforms and masks the word “Covidiot” pops into my brain.

Also Johnson’s hold power is weaker than it seems. Once the full economic horror of his lockdown is clear … even his idiot MPs would want drop Blo J and his CCP girlfriend.

432642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #7 of 1532 🔗

Covidiot?

432057 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 2, #8 of 1532 🔗

Your financial loss is our gain!

432371 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #9 of 1532 🔗

77th Brigade works tirelessly 24/7. It makes you proud to be British.

431970 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 33, #10 of 1532 🔗

Horror, horror, horror!
My OH has been bald for twenty-five years. Has Covvie really been lurking in my midst for. quarter of a century and I never knew it?

431975 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Annie, 2, #11 of 1532 🔗
432177 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Annie, 2, #12 of 1532 🔗

has he tried rubbing marmite. Hang on, have I just discovered a cure for covid?

432216 ▶▶▶▶ dhid, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #13 of 1532 🔗

Ah! That’s where I’ve been going wrong then!

I’ve only ever put it on toast (and a few other food items) and made a drink from it!

A full bushy head of hair soon, just hope it doesn’t make me look like that bloke at number 10………

432390 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 9, #14 of 1532 🔗

I’m not wasting good marmite on his bald head.

432316 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 338 of lockdown), replying to Annie, #15 of 1532 🔗

I was contemplating shaving my hair off as haircuts so far off but won’t now as don’t want to be viewed as a viral vector.

433065 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Sarigan (Day 338 of lockdown), #16 of 1532 🔗

I got a friend to clip mine. I am due for another haircut, perhaps next week. Perhaps in May/June I will go to a barber!

432335 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Annie, 4, #17 of 1532 🔗

Funny that I read ‘Covvie’ as ‘Commie’. Both the same thing at the end of the day.

432190 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #18 of 1532 🔗

Here’s a theory for deep thinkers. Instead of labelling it Covid like every other condition now, how about how you look at young females who exhibit higher stress and worry in relation to Covid.

Hair loss due to SAGE fear mongering maybe?

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/9/e040620?rss=1

432282 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #19 of 1532 🔗

Crikey how much did she get paid for saying that?

431950 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 85, #20 of 1532 🔗

The only roadmap out of this hell will be that which we create for ourselves.

If we wait for our leadership to grant us back our freedoms, which were never theirs to take in the first place, we will be waiting for eternity.

432030 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richard O, 22, #21 of 1532 🔗

6th March M8, mass supermarket unmasking!

432213 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bungle, 7, #22 of 1532 🔗

Why do people wait for March. Start today.

433404 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JHUNTZ, #23 of 1532 🔗

Surely you can work that out. Have you no brain?

432289 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bungle, #24 of 1532 🔗

Excellent we must do it

433405 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Janette, #25 of 1532 🔗

Cheers Janette. Love you!

432455 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Bungle, 20, #26 of 1532 🔗

That’s my birthday so let it happen and be a tidal wave of civil disobedience that sweeps the country. I am asthmatic so have never worn a face mask in shops or buses.My wife who does wear masks got covid she coughed on me while isolating and still I and my daughter’s never got covid. If covid is so deadly why didn’t we get infected where not superhuman as I believe most households who got covid have had similar experience. Lastly my wife recovered an says it’s no worse than flu and in fact says she’s had flu in the past that was far worse.

433159 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bungle, -3, #27 of 1532 🔗

Oooooo that’ll show them!! lol

432342 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Richard O, 11, #28 of 1532 🔗

Despite the jubilation (in parts) ATL, I believe the roadmap is designed to fail. The most telling thing is the mass testing of school children. This will inevitably generate a huge wave of ‘new infections among children’ (they’ll no doubt call it a mutant strain) and they’ll use this as an excuse to realign their focus on children instead of pensioners/vulnerable.

We may see targeted vaccination on children instead of adults and another national lockdown/tier system. This could happen even before lockdown has been lifted.

432473 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to J4mes, 20, #29 of 1532 🔗

All parents should refuse the testing of their children if they don’t have symptoms. If schools refuse to take the children then legal action should be taken,after all we all pay taxes so out children have a right to education. We must all fight lockdown in whatever way we can otherwise the pandemic will continue creating mutant strains for years to come.

432553 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Derek Toyne, 13, #30 of 1532 🔗

Yes Derek, right on! If my daughter was still school age she would NOT be wearing a mask. If that is a problem for the school I would take her out of school. The psychology damage this shit is doing to our kids is terrible. That’s before you tot up the damage of breathing through a disease and bacteria ridden rag over your mouth all day!

433145 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #31 of 1532 🔗

wouldn’t the answer appear to be the setting up of “Free Schools” where the kids were taught in person, by a teacher [not a parent], in the classroom, without the need for a test when they have no symptoms, and without requiring them to wear a mask or socially distance themselves? could I be on to something do you think???

432506 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to J4mes, 12, #32 of 1532 🔗

I agree with your predictions. I was surprised that the ATL article implies that the roadmap is written in stone and “has…not included infections or case levels in its criteria”. I can’t quote him verbatim but I am sure that Johnson has constantly qualified the terms of the ‘roadmap’ by saying that “progressing to each stage will of course be dependent on the data available at the time”.

I agree that there will inevitably be a ‘disturbing increase in cases amongst schoolchildren’ and it will likely be indicative of a ‘variant which cannot be controlled by current vaccines’. (You and I know, of course, this is all nonsense but I am just humouring the protagonists.)

This will serve two purposes: first, it will pave the way for a push towards vaccinating children and second it will be a useful tool to keep in the armory of excuses should there be a serious increase in deaths amongst elderly and vulnerable following second ‘jabs’, which – purely coincidentally of course – coincide with the re-opening of schools and testing of the pupils.

433071 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to J4mes, 1, #33 of 1532 🔗

I absolutely agree with you, I had already worked that one out. I am crossing my fingers for Dr Reiner Fuellmich or The Bernician to make some headway with their court cases.

433147 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Tillysmum, #34 of 1532 🔗

they’d need to blinking hurry up!!!

433170 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to J4mes, 2, #35 of 1532 🔗

I believe the roadmap is designed to fail.

I believe it’s designed so that it cannot fail. It’s so hedged that even if they throw us back into full lockdown in September (which they’ve reserved every right to do), they’ll be able to point at the roadmap and say “we did tell you it was contingent and we did our (very poor) best to avoid this, but here we are.”.

433229 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to AidanR, 1, #36 of 1532 🔗

The key wording is when they say that this will be the last lockdown , but there’s “no guarantee” .

It’s the old Orwellian double speak once again.

433393 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to AidanR, #37 of 1532 🔗

By September I think the majority will be more clued up.

432539 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Richard O, 7, #38 of 1532 🔗

Was anyone else laughing their arse off when the fat pig dictator said we are following data and not dates. And then gave us three dates. What a twat. In other good news Gove says we will use the fantastic app for our vaccine passports. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh wait you were being serious?

431951 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 117, #39 of 1532 🔗

Boris Johnson, Neil Fergusson, Patrick Vallance, Chris Whitty, Matt Hancock – they have blood on their hands! They shall never be forgotten and never be forgiven! Neither they, nor their families! They are selling us and our families down the river, they are stealing our freedom, and they are crippling our country. They shall never be forgotten and never be forgiven!

431952 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TheClone, 87, #40 of 1532 🔗

We all have blood on our hands. I accept full responsibility for not pushing back anything like as hard as I should have done in March 2020 when the insanity was descending. It is easy to pin the blame on public figures, but the harsh reality is that we allowed this nightmare to happen, and only we can provide the solution.

431955 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Richard O, 81, #41 of 1532 🔗

They are supposedly the leaders and they based their decisions on garbage data. They never tried to listen to us or to different opinion and they will never do it. Yes, we have our part but we are not the ones imposing lockdowns, we are not the ones ordering the police to act against us, we are not the ones lacking common sense, we are not the ones closing businesses, stopping traveling, or telling our children to wear mask and get vaxx. They wanted to be public figures, nobody forced them. We only asked them to listen to us and they completely ignored us and will ignore us going forward. We never asked for vaxx passport, we do not want them, and they continue to force these on us all.

431956 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to TheClone, 43, #42 of 1532 🔗

The order givers can spout their mandates all day, every day until they are blue in the face. If the supposed order followers do not comply, there is nothing the order givers can do. They are outnumbered by millions to one. So ultimately we imposed lockdown and everything else upon ourselves. This is the teaching that is being presented to us, and will one way or the other be learned by everybody. If we collectively continue to refuse this teaching, then the levels of pain and suffering that will be inflicted in order to make us learn will outstrip any in human history.

431986 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 38, #43 of 1532 🔗

Not ‘we’.
THEY. Sheeples, zombies, subhumans, bedwetters , trash .

432000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Annie, 12, #44 of 1532 🔗

We are also criminals for allowing what has happened with our level of knowledge. I will never forgive myself for this.

432098 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Richard O, 69, #45 of 1532 🔗

Have you been demanding totalitarian government be imposed on others? Have you been following their orders and helping to impose totalitarianism on others?

My conscience is clear – I have been opposing this from the start in every way I can. It has been utterly futile but I have learnt more about the people I knew in the last year then in the all the years before. Other then my wife and two children I no longer have a family – I will have nothing to do with these fascists ever again. I have only one friend left – again I will have nothing to do with these fascists.

Ultimately when you are one in a hundred willingly brainwashed zombies who care about nothing but themselves and every institution is compromised there is little you can do to change their direction immediately. That in itself does not make you complicit.

433031 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #46 of 1532 🔗

It’s hard maintaining the line, but it’s the only honourable thing to do.

Those that think that compliance is the answer will be sadly disappointed. We are all of us in the midst of a program of mass genocide.

433150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #47 of 1532 🔗

I’m in similar boat – but its bloody lonely

432128 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 21, #48 of 1532 🔗

But how could we not ‘allow’ it?
Ask that question of any Resistance movement. They never succeed without outside aid. But they save souls by the very fact of resisting.

432133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Annie, 14, #49 of 1532 🔗

Exactly! If court cases are stopped; if the media has been controlled; if our MPs won’t listen to reasoned arguments; if even charismatic leaders of the resistance are silenced: then how can we be deemed responsible? A ludicrous suggestion!

432163 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 17, #50 of 1532 🔗

Yes, Annie! Exactly. We don’t feel like it’s much, but every individual act of defiance and resistance COUNTS. All of us who have pushed back in any small way have a clear conscience.

433146 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #51 of 1532 🔗

Amen, sir.

433035 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, 2, #52 of 1532 🔗

Saying no, is the only honourable option and of course compliance will prove futile.

432983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richard O, 7, #53 of 1532 🔗

And when we have no power, very little influence, and are subjected to a propaganda campaign that made Brexit Project Fear look amateurish, im not sure what any of us could have done to stop any of it.
As Lord Sumption (or might have been Peter Hitchens) has acknowledged, contacting the majority of MPs has achieved nothing. We get either a standard non-answer reply, or nothing at all.
The current administration has used emergency powers to bypass Parliament, and do pretty much as they please. There’s no General Election due or even the prospect of one for several years, so we can’t even vote the bastards out, and if we did, who would we vote in? Labour?

433042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to LMS2, 6, #54 of 1532 🔗

There won’t be another general election and as you say the opposition is very much part of the problem.

433076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Rowan, 1, #55 of 1532 🔗

Like pursuing the chimera of Zero Covid. Yes indeed they are part of the problem.

433144 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Richard O, 1, #56 of 1532 🔗

Fod crying out loud man. This war isn’t half over yet and you’re having a Nuremburg internal monologue.

Pull yourself together, man.

432058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Zeppo595, replying to Annie, 3, #57 of 1532 🔗

Sitting at home enraged is still a form of compliance.

432166 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Zeppo595, 22, #58 of 1532 🔗

NO IT IS NOT!!! That is a chilling reminder of the BLM “silence is violence” – that stopped me in my tracks. We have not done NOTHING. We have done what we feel we can. And if all that is, is to disagree in our hearts and minds… that IS something!

433151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Zeppo595, #59 of 1532 🔗

Is it bollocks.

432137 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Richard O, 6, #60 of 1532 🔗

Order followers are the lowest form of humanity.

433043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jinks, 2, #61 of 1532 🔗

Just like the troops in 77th Brigade.

433252 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Richard O, 1, #62 of 1532 🔗

yes annie and CivilianNotCovidian , we are not sheep here we do resist even talking to strangers and friends even somehting a s small as a smile at someone wearing a

mask muzzle while we dont wear a mask is a small victory and keeps us sane too .

[ i did the upvote thing at first the one that blames us too[ i think it does anyway] but then i read the further comments – annie ,CivilianNotCovidian,a nd others and i feel so much better . ww2 wasnt won in a day its only been one year just 4 more to go!

 refusing to get a vaccine[ i sure wont ] and talking to others [ i’ve talked to about 10 strangers/ friends /and famliy in the past week or so and told them not to get the vaccine ]
is also doing something and very easy to do,if stay away from the ones you know wont listen that is. but even that is finally changing
a friend of mine a true believer sis tarting to doubt the vaccines and masks !

dont give up

431977 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Richard O, 12, #63 of 1532 🔗

Tory MP Richard Fuller Calls Out Every MP For Allowing This https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f4a9.svg Show & The Dangers We Now Face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3BDf0z6Sks

431997 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #64 of 1532 🔗

vid has been removed

432111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #65 of 1532 🔗

It works for me.

432140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basileus, #66 of 1532 🔗

Ok works now

432875 ▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #67 of 1532 🔗

Brilliant! The fact that these words are spoken (and spoken well) in public, in Parliament, means that we have reason to hope.

432006 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Richard O, 11, #68 of 1532 🔗

Speak for yourself mate and the blame lies fairly and squarely where it belongs.

432146 ▶▶▶ adamsson, replying to Richard O, 7, #69 of 1532 🔗

Don’t be too hard on yourself, it’s their fault not yours they had the power and they made the decision. You were powerless to stop them, that’s why they did it.

432162 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Richard O, 84, #70 of 1532 🔗

I pushed back. I hold my head up high.
16th March – BJ says, “don’t go to the pub but I won’t close the pubs”, I went to the pub EVERY day.
20th March – We are told, “stay home and socially distance”, I went on a weekend break to a nice hotel and danced with locals on the Friday night when they had to serve their last inside dining meals.
23rd March – We were told, “stay home and only go out once a day” – I went out at least 4-5 times a day, walking around Sainsbury’s touching everything.
March – April: I lost friends and got told I was mad because I would NOT concede that this was all about a “virus”.
April: I joined lockdown sceptics and started reading the Spectator and listening to voices of my staunch political opponents because they were the only ones speaking sense.
May, June, July – mask mandates come in. I refuse to wear a mask and later in the year get verbally attacked by BTP on a train.
June, July, August – I religiously refuse to give my real contact details to any establishment.
August-September – I write to my MP about the abuses to human beings and am told she “does not agree with my position”.
September-October – I write to politicians and parliamentarians about human rights abuses, especially those concerning children, relentlessly, and get no reply.
October-present – I reach out to anyone who is fighting back, offering help. I relentless troll the trolls on every platform.
January – I weep for family members conned into taking experimental drugs after failing to get them to wake up.
I’ve never stopped seeing or hugging my loved ones. I’ve supported every small business I can. I’ve spoken out whenever I can.
I’ve stood up and been counted. I’ve done everything I felt I could. I will never feel ashamed. Only sad that we couldn’t save more lives and minds than we did, and do everything I can to fight to ensure humanity survived this and NEVER suffers like this again.

432210 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 21, #71 of 1532 🔗

That January one hits me hard. I haven’t been able to wake my parents up and both of them are getting it. I’m worried but also incredibly angry with them. They should have been braver and they should have been more inquisitive to find out the truth.

432226 ▶▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to JHUNTZ, 21, #72 of 1532 🔗

I don’t think I’ll ever feel the same about other people again. I know I can’t trust them.

433160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #73 of 1532 🔗

again, in similar boat, but my parents had bought into the project fear with bells on brainwashing and also had pressure brought to bear by grandchildren who were “worried about them” so they had it – they said they thought it “was the right thing to do – we all have to play our part” and that was in the face of me trying to tell them over and over that this is all a con, but they just couldn’t accept that the government would lie to them and my mum keeps telling me “but over 100,000 people are dead”. I tried – I really really tried.

433373 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spearthrower Owl, #74 of 1532 🔗

You’ve done the right thing, the rest is up to them. I was in the same position with my 81 year old brother, who gets all his “news” from the Beeb and so he just wouldn’t listen to me. He’s a tired old man and it’s anything for a quiet life, so he’s been jabbed. Before too long he will likely find things very much quieter.

432211 ▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 20, #75 of 1532 🔗

I have also emailed my MP and told him what I really think on numerous occasions. Never worn a nappy on my face and go about my business. Still alive too! Interesting you say family members being conned into taking experimental gene therapy – my own father just this week said I am delusional and irresponsible and that I have been conned by people, even cleverer than I am, apparently – when I say that I get my data from government/NHS/ONS sources he just cannot fathom what I am saying!

He was in the RAF too for 17 years and apparently has fought communism for even longer as a true conservative who be LIE ves in democracy, so by me saying that we are in a communist state right now (actually more like fascism), again, he cannot fathom what I am saying!

432187 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Richard O, 68, #76 of 1532 🔗

Last March and April I felt so alone in my opinions. All around me people were excited about home schooling and producing daily planners, the weather was balmy and the paddling pools were out, there was talk of our world having a much needed rest and how we would come out of all this better. On the doorsteps each week the NHS were be hailed as our heroes and in every window a rainbow symbolised for many the hope of better days to come. I watched on in horror, seeing this through a Biblical lens and seeing where this would end. God was pushed to the side, churches were shut and the new Covidian religion was was welcomed in. It brought with it worship, symbolism, rituals, false hope, new leaders and finally their long awaited saviour (the vaccine). A year later things are going along much as I had dreamed in my worst nightmares. There is a difference though, this year I am not alone, this year WE are not alone. So much of this last year has been about divide and conquer, but we sceptics have come together in a common goal. We have a government intent on enslaving us, but we are getting ready to fight to hold onto that we makes us free. I will not sell my soul for freedoms which are my God given right. A year ago I would not buy into their system and today my resolve is greater than ever.

432691 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Liberty, 6, #77 of 1532 🔗

Wonderful post. This should be pinned.
You had me in tears.

432697 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Silke David, 1, #78 of 1532 🔗

I don’t even know what pinning posts is! I’m grateful for your comment though and it’s good to know my thoughts resonated with you.

432903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Liberty, 1, #79 of 1532 🔗

I think the moderators do it.

433380 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Liberty, #80 of 1532 🔗

Excellent and an example to us all.

432293 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Richard O, 5, #81 of 1532 🔗

It took a week or two for us, until we discovered Dr .Malcolm Kendricks concerns from the outset, as he was working in care homes, then discovering Lockdown Sceptics.

432383 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Richard O, 22, #82 of 1532 🔗

For approx. 20 years I’ve considered myself a political dissident (not a lefty or on the right) and have tried relentlessly to wake people up. Years ago I was warning that we were heading towards tyranny. I’ve spent years weaving through the bullshit spouted by the mainstream, the false opposition types like Icke, Info-Wars, Red Ice, Black Pidgeon, etc, while myself being constantly labelled a mad conspiracy theorist.

I’ve attended protests and witnessed blatant psyops. I’ve created memes and took part in crowd funding to support politically persecuted people.

In the early days of lockdown, on this site, I was still called stupid names for warning that the first lockdown was only the beginning and that this will go on for years because the general public will support it.

If I’d stuck my neck out any further over the years leading to this, I would have been one of those silenced political prisoners. You have to realise the limits to what you can achieve with protest.

432471 ▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to J4mes, 3, #83 of 1532 🔗

Why do you say that David Icke is controlled opposition? Just interested.

432904 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to BertieFox, 2, #84 of 1532 🔗

It’s all about association, lack of direction, who pays him, etc.

Just a few: He was a spokesman for the Green Party, worked for the BBC, regularly features on the TV (who very rarely give air time to genuine opposition) and regularly works with the most obvious fake opposition, Alex Jones (funded by Time Warner last I checked).

I could go much further but I’m wary of how far to take this down the rabbit hole…

433407 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to J4mes, 1, #85 of 1532 🔗

David Icke was predicting what’s happening now years ago and he was dead right.

Icke writes lots of books and sells them by the ton. He lectures to massive audiences the world over and people pay a decent sum to listen. However, you still you wonder where his money comes from. You also attempt to smear Icke by lumping him in with Alex Jones, using the old guilt by association ploy.

You need to be careful, as some people might suspect you are here to troll and I just might be one of them.

432501 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Richard O, 6, #86 of 1532 🔗

TBF back in March we all bought into the 3 week to flatten the sombrero bollox.

432531 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #87 of 1532 🔗

This was how I understood the situation almost exactly a year ago.

The Spreading Fingers of Fear (written February 28th 2020)

The pestilence upon us,

Is spreading through our land,

We can feel its creeping fingers,

Fear it’s getting out of hand.

Other countries suffering,

We can see their pain,

We worry for the future,

We don’t want to be the same.

When people cough around us,

Do we feel our stomach’s flip,

Disease is not the thing to dread,

It’s fear that’s got its grip.

Imagine how it feels,

To be cooped up in your home,

For 14 days in quarentine,

You have to be alone.

Alone while you wait,

Like a slowly ticking bomb,

Checking every symptom,

Hoping their are none.

A worse plague’s social media,

It heightens the alarm,

It is the one we should avoid,

To keep us all from harm.

For the thing that is most dangerous

The thing that we should dread,

Is not coronvirus,

But the fear in our heads.

The only way to conquer it,

For all our fears to cease,

Is to fix our eyes on Jesus,

Only He can bring us peace.

432667 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 3, #88 of 1532 🔗

Beautiful as ever, Liberty. I have a different “peace place” than Jesus, but to all intents and purposes our feelings are completely aligned. Thank you!

432700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #89 of 1532 🔗

CivilianNotCovidian, good to hear from you! If you have a moment to look, I’ve sent you a PM in the forums.

433055 ▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Liberty, #90 of 1532 🔗

Absolutely Liberty – only He can bring us peace

432570 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #91 of 1532 🔗

I never did. Diamond Princess data were out by early March. Never looked like the killer it was purported to be, and not nearly as contagious.

432626 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to sophie123, 7, #92 of 1532 🔗

Precisely. The cruise ships were almost the perfect controlled environment to study effects and it was clear that what we were seeing was nothing to warrant the reaction.

432814 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to sophie123, 1, #93 of 1532 🔗

I did back of envelope calcs from Diamond Princess data in January 2020.

My simple model came up with 370k US deaths tops.

Just a moderately bad flu season, nothing more.

433015 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Richard O, 2, #94 of 1532 🔗

You thoughts are not remotely accurate. Some have much more blood on their hands, than others and all of the public figures mentioned above are members of a cabal, which has deliberately inflicted the Covid scam on a ignorant and trusting public. Pushing major blame on to the public is like letting a rapist get off free, because the victim couldn’t fight off the sexual predator.

433139 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Richard O, 9, #95 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know what this post says about you, but you seem to massively overestimate the influence you could have had.

To regret not taking futile and costly actions is foolish. To profess guilt over the fact you ‘didn’t do anything’ is a kind of virtue signalling.

There’s no fucking blood on my hands. I’ve done what I can for the last year. I’ve boycotted the bloody NHS clapping stupidity. I’ve defaced ‘We love NHS’ stickers. I’ve avoided wearing a mask except in the most urgent circumstances & I reject the cowardly lanyard. I’ve boycotted every business that has relished or gold-plated the laws and regs. I’ve told every shiny-tabbarded Karen that collaborators faces will not be forgotten.

I’ve lived my life as best I can in this shitstorm. I got a new job, bought a house & moved across the country, changed my car. I ignored every rule & gone out and about with impunity. I’ve travelled to Lancashire to see my mother, I’ve had friends round for dinner. I’ve tried to enlighten and persuade every acquaintance.

So, no. I’m accepting no part in this ‘blood on my hands’ shit at all, thanks very much.

432004 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to TheClone, 1, #96 of 1532 🔗

But they will get away with it, as usual.

432183 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to primesinister, 19, #97 of 1532 🔗

LOOK! Will you NOT say that: I don’t think you understand.

IF they get away with it then a TOTALITARIAN PHARMACEUTICAL STATE with all kinds of unseen consequences will descend on this country.

“As usual”? There has NEVER been anything like this before. You are TRIVIALISING the issue.

STOP doing propagandists work for them and FIGHT BACK! PROTESTS IN MARCH.

I have NO TIME for comments like yours.

432644 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to FedupofLies, 6, #98 of 1532 🔗

Absolutely. It is not pre-ordained. But it’s hard work. Hitler didn’t have digital media/communications, but nor did the resistance. All would-be totalitarian dictatorships work for a while… and then they die. How much they achieve is NOT pre-determined. When people in power take over the airwaves and control the narrative, it can feel like those of us who challenge the narrative are powerless to stop their agenda. But they are as afraid of us as we are of them. While we have breath in us, we CAN keep pushing them back. Don’t give up. Never never never give up. When you are going through hell, keep going. (And all the other Churchill quotes!?) Okay, the future might not look like how we imagined it but it does NOT have to look like some dastardly dystopian nightmare either. Keep fighting. Even if it’s one conversation a day. They are done plotting. They’ve shown their cards. We are still strategising. This is far from done!

432891 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #99 of 1532 🔗

Churchill was half-American and that is from where the courage came.

This has to be turned around before the end of this Summer.

433158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to FedupofLies, #100 of 1532 🔗

Churchill was half-American and that is from where the courage came.

Hahahaha…. land of the free, home of the brave. Fucking LOL.

433354 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to FedupofLies, -3, #101 of 1532 🔗

What courage did Churchill show? He was a drunken, cigar-chomping sodomite, who sold Britain down the river to the international banksters. He also destroyed the cream of Europe and its people and he was directly responsible for bringing Stalinism into the heart of Europe. If you venerate Churchill, you are just as clueless and misguided as any braying, mask-wearing Karen.

432936 ▶▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to FedupofLies, #102 of 1532 🔗

How about this ill keep saying what I want to say, I didnt say there had been anything like this and I am not TRIVIALISING anything ,and you have no clue as to what I have done and the cost i personally have paid fighting this shit, AND THEY WILL GET AWAY WITH IT AS USUAL…..S2E I CAN USE CAPS TOO .
I was just going to tell you to fuck right offf, oh yea fuck right off, you need to wind your neck in a few feet.xxx

432976 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to primesinister, 1, #103 of 1532 🔗

Then there is absolutely no point in doing anything if you think they will get away with it. So go home and don’t bother.

Thanks.

431953 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 53, #104 of 1532 🔗

Boris Johnson speaks to the nation, March 2020. After sipping from a glass of water containing a truth drug, he begins to speak.

Folks, let’s not beat about the bush, this is a serious situation. There is a very real, imminent danger that something is about to happen that reveals to you, beyond all doubt, the sheer incompetence and systemic malevolence of the nation state. You’ve all heard about the new Chinese virus, how people over there are dropping like flies in the streets, and now in Italy too, and there’s no time to lose. We have to act in order to make it look as though we can do something about this.

We’ve just spent five years banging on about how we’re taking back control, and now’s our chance to prove it. Collaborating with literally scores of scientists and university departments around the country, all working on the same delusional assumptions and all utterly determined, in the fine English scientific tradition founded by Sir Francis Bacon in the 17th century, to be right and to put the eyes out of anyone who says they aren’t, we’ve established that the virus talks in a German accent and is going to invade the country because it hates us, and it’s going to kill literally everyone, of all ages and sexual persuasions, unless we act decisively and formulate A PLAN. So here’s what we’re going to do, over the next year.

First of all, we’re going to stop calling it the Chinese virus. It hurts the feelings of our friends the Chinese people. The virus has a name, chosen by the completely impartial, coldly scientific folks at the WHO. It’s called covfefe. So now at least that mystery is solved.

We’re going to lock down completely. We’re going to say it’s only for three weeks to flatten the curve. But three weeks to flatten the economy, culture and social fabric of the nation? Sorry, it’s going to take a lot longer than THAT! We’ll unlock for a bit now and then, warn people they’re putting the NHS at risk by continuing to breathe. Then we’ll introduce tiers instead, in order to distract people and start up fiddly little local arguments about why the hell St. Mary Minge is in tier 4 when St. Mary Pecker just down the road is only in Tier 2. Then we’ll change the tiers. Then we’ll just keep doing it, on again off again, forever, because – and we’re particularly proud of this bit – YOU CAN NEVER BE SURE OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON’T. HA! Get round that if you can, rebels!

We’re going to justify this, folks, by saying everything is being done “to save the NHS”. We’re going to set the NHS up as the national religion. Nobody actually believes in God any more. It’s just silly, it’s just for the kids. We don’t need a daft, outdated metaphysical system that helps people process the fear of death – we need a proper, grown-up religion that stokes and exploits it. So get out there and clap. Also, perform rain dances, sun dances, incantations against flooding and sexual acts with effigies of Greta Thunberg (but only since she turned 16, folks) to prevent climate change. Believe. Behave. Bejesus.

Next – and this is a masterstroke, folks, you’re going to love it! We’re going to pay you to do fuck all indefinitely. Don’t worry, we can afford it – we were lying all this time when we said you had to actually work hard to make a living.

We’ll reform foreign aid policy. By letting everyone with dual nationality flood into the country bearing symptoms, so they can get treated by the NHS for free. Then, once the country is swilling with covfefean effluent from all round the planet, it’s going to magically occur to us that we could close the borders. And believe me, you’ll be cheering us on. Why? The thing is, and I know this is a bit delicate, but… we’re going to terrorize you. We’re going to flood the airwaves and commercial slots, to brainwash you with terror advertising so you’ll believe us and love us and stay at home and do nothing forever.

Of course, we need you to think normality, as you quaintly think of it, will one day be restored. So we’re going to massively invest in covfefe vaccine projects, and accelerate them. We’ll dispense with all the silly, timewasting testing bit. Our behavioural scientists assure us that vaccines will make you believe in a blissful future that’s always just over the horizon. This, in turn, will turn you, overnight, from our angry hostages to our enthusiastic friends. And really, folks, isn’t it better to be friends? Don’t we all long for a kinder, gentler politics?

Yes, folks, you at home, hi. You can stop struggling with the remote. You’re right. It’s now impossible for you to turn your TV off. You can turn the sound right down, but not all the way off. So I’m here, all the time, watching you. Love me. Love the nation state. Love Britain and our brilliant NHS. Covfefe.

Right. Who’s next? I’m literally bursting with spunk.

432235 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #105 of 1532 🔗

You left out the BBC, Sky and all the other media who have contributed to this mass paranoia and hysteria.

432422 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Alan P, 10, #106 of 1532 🔗

I left out a lot, unfortunately, because I cut it down to get it below the character limit and into one post. To do full justice to how much evil has been done I’d have had to write a book.

432900 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #107 of 1532 🔗

Many, many books will be written
Libraries full of books. It will go on for centuries. Academic study of the greatest evil ever to be visited on mankind.
Will lockdown catastrophe denial be made illegal, do you think, like Holocaust denial?

433166 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #108 of 1532 🔗

It was brilliant Friedrich – actually made me smile which is quite something at moment!!

433085 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #109 of 1532 🔗

Absolutely brilliant, I just wish I knew how to copy and paste (technophobe pensioner)

431957 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 70, #110 of 1532 🔗

Misquote of the day Dr JOHN LEE: Why should the whole country be held hostage by the one in five who refuse a vaccine? Thing is even though I know he’s been taken totally out of context, the irony still doesn’t escape me!
The survival rate of “Covid-19” is reportedly 99.97%, so the entire country has been held hostage by 0.03% of the population for the last year! Where do they find these DM reporters, the bottom of the local duck pond?

431967 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #111 of 1532 🔗

What has happened to this guy? I just read the article where he refers to ‘ the superb rollout’ of the vaccine and even uses the term ‘refuseniks’ more than once. The content, style of his written discourse seems so unlike his initial articulate arguments months ago about the response to this virus-what has happened?

431968 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hattie, 6, #112 of 1532 🔗

He’s devolved into a covidian. lower level of life than omeba

431971 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #113 of 1532 🔗

The lowest form of life.It casts doubt on the notion that evolution can’t be reversed. Bring back the dinosaurs!

433372 ▶▶▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Annie, #114 of 1532 🔗

There were no dinosaurs. Another freemasonic lie.

431980 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Hattie, 1, #115 of 1532 🔗

You no longer agree with everything he says.

432012 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Hattie, 2, #116 of 1532 🔗

I thought the same. If these are actually his words then I won’t be reading or listening to him again.

432080 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Hattie, 4, #117 of 1532 🔗

Probably just the same way news about Sweden is twisted and misrepresented.

432195 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Hattie, 1, #118 of 1532 🔗

he probably has one eye on where he will get his next round of funding for research

432534 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #119 of 1532 🔗

He is a retired pathologist and has stated all along that he is able to speak freely because he cannot be accused of having conflicting interests and he has no career to put at risk.

432688 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #121 of 1532 🔗

Don’t see how it’s worse. John Lee has always been anti-lockdown and this article is consistent. He’s also been consistently critical of Johnson only listening to a select few ‘scientists’.

433006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to HoMojo, 1, #122 of 1532 🔗

I agree about him being anti-lockdown but he seems to have moved from taking the emphatic view that no vaccine was justified (as per his discussions with JHB on TalkRadio, with Malcolm Kendrick and with Ivor Cummins last summer) to actively applauding the use of potentially harmful, and certainly unproven, vaccines. This was particularly evident in the article I linked to. It strikes me that his tone changed when he became part of the HART Group.

I wonder if it is a tactical move, sadly, reflective of acknowledgement within that group that trying to stop the vaccination programme is a lost cause so they are instead trying to use it to everyone’s advantage by overplaying the perceived positives of the vaccines with limited roll out to avoid people who don’t want it having it forced upon them. In other words, damage limitation.

433180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #123 of 1532 🔗

Perhaps. He is on record many times saying times that it should only be administered to those with ‘informed consent’. I don’t think stopping the programme en masse was ever an option.

433168 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Hattie, 1, #124 of 1532 🔗

I think he has been “nobbled” like a lot of other formerly independent and reliable institutions sadly.

432009 ▶▶ primesinister, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #125 of 1532 🔗

I saw that I totally agree with you.

432039 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #126 of 1532 🔗

I read that article too. Another example of poor research and journalism. But sheeple will read and believe it. Are any of these ‘articles’ proof read anymore? Then again I suspect the ‘anti vax’ blaming and finger pointing is intentional seeing how the msm is part of the agenda.

432154 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Anti_socialist, 32, #127 of 1532 🔗

Top comment now.

“If vaccines work, what do you have to be scared about? Certainly not unvaccinated people.”

2608 upticks 215 down.

432279 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richy_m_99, 25, #128 of 1532 🔗

2nd Best rated comment is a cracker

You may want to revise the headline as it does not reflect the article. Maybe try – “Why should the country be held hostage by Scientists and Politicians who have got every major decision wrong so far?”

2482 upticks 163 downticks

432676 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #129 of 1532 🔗

I think John is a pragmatist. He’s got into the MSM by being a pragmatist. He has to pick his battles. Just like Julia HB. We, on LS, are eons ahead of the general public who are reading the DM. John’s aim has always been to be heard in the mainstream so his message has always been “We must live with the virus”. I doubt he has any time for the vaccines. I doubt he would readily take one himself, but he’s picking his battles. I think he may have actively helped de-escalate this insane “zero covid” BS, so for that, let’s be grateful. There is so much more work to be done to get people to wake up but we can’t do it in one Big Bang of information or they get suspicious and push us away, labelling us as “conspiracy theorists”… slowly, slowly catchy monkey

431958 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #130 of 1532 🔗

Tell Your MP: Look at Florida

A place abundant with sunshine & copious amounts of free vitamin D.

431960 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 57, #131 of 1532 🔗

COVID-19 Behaves Like the Flu

Really?

So it has all the symptoms of flu
Kills roughly the same as flu
Appears at the same time as flu
And flu has mysteriously disappeared.

If it sounds like flu, smells like flu & looks like flu, it must be covid hmm.

431962 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 31, #132 of 1532 🔗

It’s time to let us hug who we want whenever we damn well please ” – The latest from Allison Pearson in the Telegraph

Has anyone been arrested or fined for illicit cuddles?

You can hug whom ever you like if they consent, the level of submissive complicity of the British is staggering, it’s not a surprise we are known as a nation of serfs.

431965 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #133 of 1532 🔗

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432002 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #134 of 1532 🔗

Cuddled all 6 of my grandkids at 4-year olds birthday yesterday.Having drinks at friend’s flat tomoz. Just get your valid reason right in your head.

432267 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bungle, 13, #135 of 1532 🔗

So sad.

Sad that anyone would feel it necessary to mention such a fundamental birthright.

I have nothing but utter hated and loathing for everyone who has helped and is helping to perpetrate this tyranny.

Repeal Coronavirus Act NOW.

432005 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #136 of 1532 🔗

About three months ago I observed two young men parting company at the end of my road.
As they flung their arms flamboyantly around each other I inwardly congratulated myself for tolerating this expression of gayness.

I then realised that this was in fact an open display of defiance towards tptb deserving of my applause.

432034 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, 6, #137 of 1532 🔗

I often hug friends,male or female. Nothing gay about it!

432125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 13, #138 of 1532 🔗

Who cares what they were, besides human?

432321 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #139 of 1532 🔗

There was a bloke, a big West Indian fella, offering hugs to people in a park.. London? a while back..arrested!

432014 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #140 of 1532 🔗

If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck, etc.

432035 ▶▶▶ zubin, replying to Anti_socialist, #141 of 1532 🔗

Brilliant

432047 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #142 of 1532 🔗

Plus copious amounts of air conditioning. Equaliser at least.

432207 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #143 of 1532 🔗

Ditto California. Worse record and hideous lockdowns.

432209 ▶▶ optocarol, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #144 of 1532 🔗

As does California.

431959 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 71, #145 of 1532 🔗

Neil Ferguson Writes Again…

It’s pastime you stopped including this shite. Ferguson should be a national disgrace & his name as taboo as the racist N word, never to be spoken again after his trial & execution.

431961 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 32, #146 of 1532 🔗

That Ferguson is being shoved down our throats even on this platform is the perfect mockery. He is the progenitor of the great lie, and his statue will dominate every public square in England for generations if we allow it.

Heroes of Covid Square = Adolf Hitler Platz.

432020 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Richard O, 9, #147 of 1532 🔗

Even the most anti-woke amongst us would pull down that statue.

431966 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Anti_socialist, 24, #148 of 1532 🔗

Very much agree. Why anybody bothers to write to him I don’t know. Why this site affords him yet more oxygen of publicity is a mystery. He knows he’s right and so do we, but we’re always going to be talking about totally different and irreconcilable things, so why the hell bother? The point is that – even if their blasted modelling was right – the epidemiologists’ dry, dead scientism should not be allowed within a million miles of government policy.

432060 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 19, #149 of 1532 🔗

I find his emails extremely tedious, and childish. He has nothing worthwhile to say.

433173 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #150 of 1532 🔗

agreed, but it was the kind of “science” that they actively wanted to get behind because it suited their purposes – they didn’t care whether it was right or not – and if it wasn’t how was anyone going to challenge them??

431972 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 35, #151 of 1532 🔗

Nay, nay, sceptics should encourage debate. The more the slimeball is allowed to ooze, the more evidence he accrues against himself.
If you really can’t stomach it, skip that section, it’s not compulsory!
I agree about the trial, but an execution would be a waste of rope. Imprison him for life in a don’t-care home, under the regime he has inflicted on so many innocent old people. He can try screwing his whore through a double plate-glass window.

431976 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 6, #152 of 1532 🔗

Hanging is to good for him, he deserves a much slower death.

432018 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #153 of 1532 🔗

Mother Nature could doubtless come up with something from her cornucopia of major illnesses – now what is that one Stephen Hawkings got for instance? A fast version of that particular illness heading in the direction of his head sounds about right (and, of course, no access to a talkie machine for him obviously).

432015 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 4, #154 of 1532 🔗

Slight snag to that – he might escape and go in for doing his Phoenix rising from the ashes lark yet again and hope that we all have another bout of collective amnesia and forget the list of ways he’s harmed our society and give him another chance for a go at killing off everything we value about Britain.

432123 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 7, #155 of 1532 🔗

Nobody ever escapes from a don’t-care home.

432158 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Annie, 4, #156 of 1532 🔗

I don’t agree with the hanging. Confiscate all that he and his family own and sell them all into slavery.
Then he can do something useful for someone.

431984 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #157 of 1532 🔗

agreed, bin the Ferguson shite.

431985 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #158 of 1532 🔗

There is a special cell in the Tower of London that was built to accommodate Hitler in the event of his capture.
It has an en suite lav and everything. Perfect for Ferguson to see out his days.

431991 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #159 of 1532 🔗

Let them slop out.

432205 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 5, #160 of 1532 🔗

I suggest the room at the very top of Queen Victoria tower at Imperial College. The one that’s normally kept shut as previously students have jumped from.

432220 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #161 of 1532 🔗

There is a room in Maynooth College in Ireland that is now used as a waiting area but has a history of those staying there finishing themselves off.

https://comeheretome.com/2012/07/20/the-ghost-room-in-maynooth/

Given that the President of Maynooth College is part of NPHET – the body advising the Irish Government to lockdown, I’m sure we could offer to host Ferguson in Maynooth.

432092 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #162 of 1532 🔗

Hear, hear!! Why are people wasting their time? He’s arrogant, lacks self awareness and clearly has hatred of his fellow man. We are better off calling for him to face justice.

The sooner this man is punished for having inflicted this misery on us and damaging this country, the better.

432124 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #163 of 1532 🔗

I find his replies quite telling. No attempt to debate, rather patronising really

432492 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #164 of 1532 🔗

Most people don’t even know his name. We need more people to see what a twat he is.

431964 GroundhogDayAgain, replying to GroundhogDayAgain, 17, #165 of 1532 🔗

First-time post, long-time reader.

The guy in this vid has an interesting idea about how to spike the propaganda / bait the twitter zealots / newspaper comment junkies. It seems plausible to me but I’d be interested in hearing other views on whether this idea has any legs.

The basic strategy is to ‘become one of them’ add to the propaganda, but go waaaaay darker than they want you to. Instead of arguing with the zealots, support them, agree with their points but take it further which in turn makes them seem more extreme by the stance you’re taking, but subtly enough they don’t notice you’re baiting them.

The idea is to shock the waverers who are just about clinging on to ‘some-day it will be over’… Apparently it’s also quite fun. Perhaps not with your normal social media account though.

This guy explains it way better than I can. https://youtube.com/watch?v=q4HqIIy1E5Y

431994 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to GroundhogDayAgain, 2, #166 of 1532 🔗

Welcome to posting at LS.

432121 ▶▶ Annie, replying to GroundhogDayAgain, 2, #167 of 1532 🔗

Sounds like a tricky thing to do, Groundhog, but good luck!

432573 ▶▶ BertieFox, replying to GroundhogDayAgain, #168 of 1532 🔗

Yes Thomas Sheridan is wonderful!!!

432881 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to GroundhogDayAgain, #169 of 1532 🔗

Love it. Adopting the strategy.

431969 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 13, #170 of 1532 🔗

I work as a gardener. Today I shall be planting a money tree.

431992 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 17, #171 of 1532 🔗

I harvested my money tree,
Nothing did I get
But a drop of furlough
And a load of debt.

432021 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PatrickF, 5, #172 of 1532 🔗

If it is a fiat currency money tree, then it will wither and die. Deer will turn their noses up at such a poor food source.

431973 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #173 of 1532 🔗

How China tricked Italy then the World into lockdowns
Ivor Cummins – the Scientific History of Lockdowns – Part 3. What Really Happened!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzVnjgMBDVQ&list=WL&index=18

431978 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #174 of 1532 🔗

Tory MP Richard Fuller Calls Out Every MP For Allowing This https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/13.0.1/svg/1f4a9.svg Show & The Dangers We Now Face
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3BDf0z6Sks

432038 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #176 of 1532 🔗

If you don’t give us an idea what’s in these, we are not going to look

432050 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, #177 of 1532 🔗

Its poo…

431981 Sceptic Nurse, replying to Sceptic Nurse, 19, #178 of 1532 🔗

For those that missed them on Monday – ive uploaded Charles Walke’sr and Desmond Swayne’s speeches from House of Commons, to my growing Youtube Channel here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B40yD_fROWQ
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX6aBxGWNFc

431988 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic Nurse, 2, #179 of 1532 🔗

Subscribed, thank you.

431995 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Nurse, replying to karenovirus, 10, #180 of 1532 🔗

Great. I shall not monotonize the channel, it shall not make any money. I simply want to build a library of voices that have been speaking out.

432108 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sceptic Nurse, 2, #181 of 1532 🔗

Mirror it on Alt tech too otherwise it will be memory holed
Minds
Rumble
Bitchute
take your pick

431996 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Sceptic Nurse, 14, #182 of 1532 🔗

I’m in two minds at this, on one hand he is of course absolutely right in what he says about government terrorism. On the other hand I struggle to find any sympathy for anyone gullible enough to ever be influenced by what was so very obviously propaganda from the beginning.

I reiterate not even for a second did I buy the novel virus nonsense, I was always a lockdown sceptic albeit for different reasons, but never thought Covid-19 was the plague that warranted the measures taken. I will admit I felt it reasonable for government to ASK (not mandate) things like SD in pubs etc & masks in tube trains etc. But the propaganda was blatant. So it’s difficult to feel sorry for those with ludicrous faith in government.

When the human vaccine trials have ended in years to come I won’t have any sympathy for sufferers either.

432044 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Sceptic Nurse, 3, #183 of 1532 🔗

Thank you, subscribed too!

432061 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Sceptic Nurse, 4, #184 of 1532 🔗

I have just subscribed. Thank you.

431982 Annie, 10, #185 of 1532 🔗

Was looking at the picture ATL of the redhead being stabbed in the nose by a white monster, and wondering what it reminded me of.
It was the Cybermen. When crestures who were human long ago, but long ago turned their backs on every human feeling, attempt to take over the world. As they torture and kill people they grate ‘You have been deleted.’
Of course, they fail every time because of Dr Who. Nowadays, I suspect Dr Who is working for SAGE on yet more devices for deleting people. Though a damp nappy strapped to the face does the job pretty well as it is.

431983 Alex B, replying to Alex B, 10, #186 of 1532 🔗

The latest missive from Prof. Ferguson caused me no end of amusement, particularly his parting shot:
If you want to actually persuade people, do some real research and publish it in scientific journals. Pure rhetoric, cherry-picking “evidence” and ad hominem attacks are never going to succeed.
The amusement stems from the fact that a very similar gauntlet was thrown down by ‘climate scientist’ Eric Steig to Ryan O’Donnell back in 2011, after a paper Steig was associated with was dismantled by sceptics. Unfortunately for Steig, O’Donnell picked up the gauntlet, and with the aid of Steve McIntyre et al, got their paper peer reviewed and published, and a whole shit show of shennanigans ensued. it is an incredible story.
Any how, you will all remember that initially Prof.Ferguson linked to Lewandowsky & Cook, and I posted at the time that I thought that spoke volumes about Prof. Ferguson’s mind set, and probably informs his latest tetchy response.
This will be of some interest to some, and no interest to others, but hey, i’ve got a spare few minutes:
Models, statistics and confirmation bias; all good fun!
First a paragraph that sets it up:
https://climateaudit.org/2015/03/27/jones-and-dixon-refute-conspiracy-theorist-lewandowsky/
And:
https://mygardenpond.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/commentary-in-psychological-science/

431993 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Alex B, 12, #187 of 1532 🔗

He links an article in the Guardian by a Tory MP talking about science, as a rebuttal.
This tells you all you need to know.

432051 ▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #188 of 1532 🔗

Particularly weak response today I thought. Not sure why but I feel very uncomfortable reading them.

432171 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to jonathan Palmer, #189 of 1532 🔗

Was it Neil O’Brien? I think most of us know what we think of him.

432394 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Alex B, 11, #190 of 1532 🔗

If Ferguson worked for me on one of my projects he would not last long. If I’d done the timeline and the budget (based on years of experience doing the job) and assembled the team, they would be expected too more or less stick to the timeline and budget unless a major corker popped out of the bottle.
With Ferguson, he is a special case. He would propose 5 times longer and 12 times the cost for his department. He would have all kinds of crappy Excel spreadsheets incorrectly linked, with no notes on how they worked. His contingencies would be off the scale, his personnel requirements would be astronomic.
If you asked him to justify his work and show his workings he would refuse and say that he always did it like that and we should trust him as he always did a good job. Then he would get stroppy when quizzed, blame others for not cooperating with him and then walk off in a huff. Just like in his letters.
Been there, done that, got the T shirt for working with cunts like him. You can see them a mile off. Everything they do is ‘complicated’. You will note his total blanking of the discussion of his personal abilities. How these pricks manage to survive is not beyond me, the suck balls all the way to the top. So you can imagine how this whole cabal of wankers is, all Fergusons.
Goes all the way to Boris himself, useless untrained and complete lack of life experience or any other experience relevant to doing their job other than the University degree in something.
https://qz.com/work/1225213/the-difference-between-a-snafu-a-shitshow-and-a-clusterfuck/ they don’t know the difference, but are skilled in all of them.

432729 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to iansn, 4, #191 of 1532 🔗

But there you have summed up this whole shitshow. None of these people have EVER worked in the real world. From the Fat Pig dictator, to pantsdown to Twatty and handjob, none of them has ever been in a project meeting and assessed on their performance against their KPI’s and last months forecasts.
Every milestone the fat pig dictator has given has failed. Every single one. He would be off the project and up to HR. Pantsdown has been overstated on every one of his predictions by a factor of 12 times. His famous 250k dead was not for the year that was just winter. Off the project. Twatty is using data from a project that has never been used before from the CCP. This has failed at every level, spending has been out of control and morale is on the floor. The end date keeps moving and they keep using the same methods that have failed before. Off the project. Bye bye.

431987 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #192 of 1532 🔗

Saved ?
Or perhaps due a referral to the Advertising Standards people.

431999 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 12, #193 of 1532 🔗

All sorts of things will kill the Covviebug. They just aren’t the sorts of things you’d want injected into your arm.
Ah … er … yes.

432109 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 10, #194 of 1532 🔗

I’ve long thought those adverts that claimed that sort of thing is misleading and dangerous because if you take that advert to its logical conclusion then they also kill the good bacteria and viruses that a healthy body needs.

No wonder people’s especially kids’ immune systems have been compromised.

432122 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 4, #195 of 1532 🔗

Covaids

432197 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 3, #196 of 1532 🔗

I hear Dettoll ran the Pfizer trials too. 95% people.

431989 Annie, replying to Annie, 26, #197 of 1532 🔗

This from the Grauniad, as referenced ATL:

“There has been a global crackdown on opposition activists and human rights defenders, increased attacks on journalists and moves to curb free speech, censor the media, roll out invasive tracking apps and put in place extreme surveillance measures, many of which are likely to far outlast the virus.”

All of this, of course, is occurring in other countries, ones the Grauniad doesn’t like.

Biggest case of pot-calling-kettle-black since the Russians blamed the Germans for the Katyn massacre.

431998 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 30, #198 of 1532 🔗

PS. Same article asserts that face-nappies are made by Korean slave labourers in Chinese factories. Signal virtue over that , you face-knickered twats.

432001 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 12, #199 of 1532 🔗

face-knickered twats.

Such an elegant way with words 🙂

432027 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #200 of 1532 🔗

All thanks to a high-class edukayshun,

432013 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to Annie, 10, #201 of 1532 🔗

I love your wit Annie.

432087 ▶▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to primesinister, 3, #202 of 1532 🔗

Me too

432114 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 10, #203 of 1532 🔗

It always makes me laugh when I see where the muzzles are made – China. You can bet even those that are made here, the cloth would have come from China and the cotton very likely picked by Uighur slave labour.

Try to point this out and you’ll get tumbleweed as a response.

432338 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #204 of 1532 🔗

There was some early footage of an Indian sweatshop stitching ang chucking them on a pile in a very erm.. unsterile room.

432388 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Woden, 1, #205 of 1532 🔗

Yeah I saw that on Arsebook funny enough. Bet its now been taken down.

433283 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Woden, #206 of 1532 🔗

Was it in Leicester by any chance?

432003 primesinister, replying to primesinister, 12, #207 of 1532 🔗

Coronavirus Endgame

Blair the war criminal still at liberty, no fucking chance of any of the instigators of this shit show being held to any meaningful account.

432019 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to primesinister, 18, #208 of 1532 🔗

I have hope that this is different. Blair mainly killed people ‘abroad’. Lockdown has harmed a lot of people here and a lot of big and powerful businesses – airlines, oil companies etc. I think there will be less appetite to forgive and forget. The powerful interests will want justice to be done for the main reason they don’t want it to happen again – and as it is we are going into lockdown this winter as cases inevitably rise due to seasonality.

They also need to ‘head off at the pass’ the inevitable calls for lockdown ‘to protect the NHS’ for any normal flu season.

I’m surprised that the big companies have been so quiet – maybe they didn’t want to be accused of killing granny – but when/if the public mood changes, they may come out swinging as the ‘defenders of freedom’. Hopefully by suing the guilty parties for throwing away our perfectly reasonable pandemic response plan

432126 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 18, #209 of 1532 🔗

I’m surprised that the big companies have been so quiet – maybe they didn’t want to be accused of killing granny – but when/if the public mood changes, they may come out swinging as the ‘defenders of freedom’. Hopefully by suing the guilty parties for throwing away our perfectly reasonable pandemic response plan

Agree. There was a discussion here in the comments a few days’ ago as to why major companies and institutions have remained silent and I think part of the massive problem is the general economic illiteracy of the public. Witness the slogans of the Corbynistas and gullible millienials – “people before profit”, “health before wealth”, etc. All simplistic but emotionally manipulative and trying to reason that without the economy and profit there would be no people and no health service, you might as well be trying to extract blood out of a stone.

Those in big business who have spoken out against lockdown such as Sir Rocco Forte, Luke Johnson and Simon Dolan have regularly been smeared as greedy capitalists in the mould of Scrooge McDuck. Seeing these individuals regularly attacked is enough to make other CEOs and owners wary about speaking out.

PS. That said I’m not absolving big business totally as some of them have been the worst offenders when it comes to doing the government’s dirty work for them when it comes to mandatory muzzling and all other absurd Covid “safety” regulations. They should be made to pay when this is over and if that means going bust then so be it.

432740 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, #210 of 1532 🔗

Yes how many times have you heard someone say, I don’t see why I should pay for it. Let the government pay! Er!

432155 ▶▶▶ primesinister, replying to steve_w, #211 of 1532 🔗

I do hope you are right.

432007 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 23, #212 of 1532 🔗

I got 2 things out of Ferguson’s response

1 – he is distancing himself from the specifics of his modelling and emphasising that there were lots of models and they all sort of agreed that the virus was increasing quickly

2 – “ whether controlling COVID spread has been worth the costs of lockdown – is a valid issue to be debated, as I’ve previously said. But it’s not really a scientific issue.”

I think the costs of lockdown vs the benefits of lockdown is definitely a scientific issue and this is where the ball has been dropped by both the scientists and the politicians. If there is clear evidence to a benefit then it is a political decision whether to go ahead with it anyway but the scientists seemed to absolve themselves of the responsibility of investigating disbenefits of lockdown completely.

432011 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to steve_w, 3, #213 of 1532 🔗

If he can model A, then surely he can model B and compare, no?!!!

432023 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bungle, 17, #214 of 1532 🔗

SAGE said that the harms of lockdown was not their responsibility – they should have been disbanded on the spot.

432508 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Bungle, 1, #215 of 1532 🔗

Apparently not

432016 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 11, #216 of 1532 🔗

I think the costs of lockdown vs the benefits of lockdown is definitely a scientific issue

Absolutely NOT. Technocrats have no place in democracy or should they be involved in human rights! There are far to many scientists advising politicians & they have no place in politics. Covid-19 pandemic was purely a political crisis as is PUBLIC health. Health should be a medical issue, medicine isn’t a science.

432022 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #217 of 1532 🔗

I am against lockdowns whatever their benefits or disbenefits but the harms of any policy is definitely an issue worthy of scientific study.

432026 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 11, #218 of 1532 🔗

Well put.
Lockdown isn’t a scientific issue, though science – and, of course, pseudoscience – come into it. It’s a political issue, a sociological an economic issue, but above all, a moral issue. The debate must be very wide, and the inescapable conclusion is that lockdowns are wicked and wrong.

432029 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 3, #219 of 1532 🔗

Let’s keep science & politics separate. My fear with any “scientific” research in the pros & cons of lockdown is that it can not be separated from politics, & politicians always corrupt THE science.

432036 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #220 of 1532 🔗

although I concede the major point

‘lockdown should never have been on the table, so why bother investigating it either way’

scientists can feed into policy but not take it over. I have spent a lifetime working with academics and there is a strong streak of authoritarianism in them. If only everybody did what they said the world would be a better place….. etc

432046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 6, #221 of 1532 🔗

If for a moment we assume there was no agenda in lockdown & it was purely political ass covering for any perceived NHS failure. It demonstrates one thing, politicians should take a back seat to treating illness. The problem was SAGE was full of all the wrong experts. Barely a real medic among them ignoring chris shitty, which is what Johnson should have done. Successive Politicians have turned the NHS into an insatiable beast ironically the one thing you can’t blame Johnson for.

432064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #222 of 1532 🔗

I agree. SAGE should have been full of people that are also aware of lockdown costs. SAGE member Mark Woolhouse said as much

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1320428/Coronavirus-news-lockdown-mistake-second-wave-Boris-Johnson

432104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to steve_w, 7, #223 of 1532 🔗

I have spent a lifetime working with academics and there is a strong streak of authoritarianism in them.

indeed. Typically a manifestation of their “cerebral school” of narcissism.

432393 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #224 of 1532 🔗

My late mother-in-law was an academic and she certainly didn’t liked being challenged. It was always “my way or the highway.”

432911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #225 of 1532 🔗

Most academics are chock full of vanity, ruthlessly ambitious, intolerant of rival viewpoints and very short on empathy.
I know, I used to be one, but not (I hope) for long enough to be entirely corrupted.

432031 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to steve_w, 25, #226 of 1532 🔗

I get one thing from all of Ferguson’s statements, namely that he is a deeply unimpressive and extremely weak human being. How whatever he produces has had such a catastrophic influence on our national life for decades is a question that perhaps only our descendants will be able to answer (should they exist with independent thought).

432065 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 10, #227 of 1532 🔗

I get one thing from all of Ferguson’s statements, namely that he is a deeply unimpressive and extremely weak human being.

Exactly.

432118 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 8, #228 of 1532 🔗

Sadly, he impresses brainless political goons, because his numbers are the biggest and baddest.

432302 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to steve_w, 3, #229 of 1532 🔗

I suspect the benefits of lockdown have been magnificent for these Gate$ whores.

432008 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #230 of 1532 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics theme is OK, but does a disservice to John Barry (zulu being one of the best theme tunes EVER ) of course Delingpole had to promote himself as an officer, I can imagine him in WW1 in the trenches sending privates to their deaths LOL!

On the plus side this must have really pissed off & triggered the woke, so i’ll give it 5 stars just for that.

432025 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #231 of 1532 🔗

I love the ‘Missing Presumed Captured’ bit at the end. Brilliant.

432010 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 33, #232 of 1532 🔗

Couldn’t believe Tesco, Ilkley had gone back to harassment last night but I was ready. Ignored guy on door but was chased inside, I eventually turned on him and with full Bungle throttle gave him both barrels: “I have exempted myself”. “That’s all right then”. “No it isn”t, you are committing a criminal offence if you ask me twice”. I will now write once again to the store and their Head Office. And on 6th March, Resistance Day, they will hopefully have many of us. Let’s make it happen round the country. This is our chance!

432028 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bungle, 19, #233 of 1532 🔗

In Ilkla Tesco Baht’Mask.

432041 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richard O, 3, #234 of 1532 🔗

‘Ast ‘a bin?’

432052 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bungle, 2, #235 of 1532 🔗

Not a question a Southern wanker like me can possibly answer.

432055 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Bungle, 5, #236 of 1532 🔗

Stop tekkin’ piss outa us lot.

432115 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 4, #237 of 1532 🔗

Go ate oop dooks.

432042 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bungle, 18, #238 of 1532 🔗

I had issues with Tesco also. After several e-mails and a lengthy phone call with their CEO’s office (ceo.customerservice@tesco.com) I received this:

Hi K
Thank you for your email.
Yes you’re right, just saying you are exempt is enough, no further conversation is necessary.
Kind regards,
Karen Rutherford
Customer Service Specialist
On behalf of the Executive’s Office
Tel: 0800 072 6685

432053 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to kh1485, 26, #239 of 1532 🔗

Thanks K, I’ve copied that and will include it in my letter. She is wrong, however, you do not need to say you are exempt, asking you is harassment, asking twice is a criminal offence. Contrast Tesco with Boots: “Thank you for your letter I received today. I would like to apologise for the experience you received in Boots Ilkley. I have spoken with the member of staff involved within the incident and explained that it is individuals’ personal human rights whether to wear a mask. The colleague is sincerely apologetic for how you were made to feel.
I have spoken to all staff members within the Boots in Ilkley regarding the use of their own masks and how to approach customers who are not wearing them. Again, I apologize for the experience you had and hope future visits are more pleasant for you. Please feel free to contact myself in the future for any concerns you may have.”

432067 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bungle, 8, #240 of 1532 🔗

Thanks Bungle. Didn’t realise that. That’s useful to know as my objection to the masks as always been on the grounds of personal liberty.

433053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to kh1485, 2, #241 of 1532 🔗

No probs K, one of the best things about this site is the ability of all of us to help each other with good info.

432129 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bungle, 12, #242 of 1532 🔗

Great answer from Boots – apologetic, reasonable and takes personal responsibility.

Well done to that person and may his/her tribe increase.

432505 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Bungle, 2, #243 of 1532 🔗

Good stuff Bungle. It’s important to push back.

432017 GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 21, #244 of 1532 🔗

The biggest pile of BS the world has ever seen is finally coming to a close?

I wonder if Neil ‘Muh Conspiracy Theorists’ Ferguson realises he’s just a useful idiot. They rarely do.

432024 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 8, #245 of 1532 🔗

For the record I think we are only just getting started. We are still in a golden era that will be reminisced. By those whose minds are still their own.

432134 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #246 of 1532 🔗

Not until the cell door slums shut. Here is the sound for your further satisfaction:

https://www.pond5.com/sound-effects/item/109075418-sci-fi-eerie-fx-cool-stuff-fx-nbk-cell-door-slam-closed

432032 Londo Mollari, 1, #247 of 1532 🔗

Great theme tune.

432040 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 8, #248 of 1532 🔗

Help please.

I posted a fortnight or so ago ‘Birch Towers’ about the tensions between my wife who has taken the needle and myself. Sadly, the situation has not improved although we do still live under the same roof -so there’s hope. I would like to show my wife links to the various articles/video clips penned by emminent sceptics/scholars/organisations giving narrative/comment on the experimental /efficacy/dangerous aspects of the Covid19 vaccines.

Trying to search through comments on this board is a nightmare. Hopefully some of you are better organised IT wise and have some useful links tucked away in folders.

Post away and thankyou.
.

432056 ▶▶ Will, replying to Robin Birch, 23, #249 of 1532 🔗

I really wouldn’t lose sleep over it, let alone a marriage. If you believe it is right that someone should have the right not to take the vaccine then you cannot condemn someone if they choose to take the vaccine. It is a waste of energy trying to reason with people.

432066 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Robin Birch, 28, #250 of 1532 🔗

Just a few thoughts;

  1. Procrastination; If you are not vulnerable or in a high risk job there is no urgency, you only have one life and some of these covid potions are new and rather scary technology, the Gov and the NHS might be anxious for you to decide but there is no need for you to be in a rush, take your time.
  2. Understand the vaccines/potions available someone posted a link to a good site detailing the 4 types; https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/covid-vaccines-design-explained/index.html If I do eventually have to take 1 to facilitate travel I would be more keen on the 3rd (Novovax) or 4th types (nasal spray).
  3. Consumer choice; the NHS only offer vaccine types 1 & 2, l tell them to call me back when they can offer type 3 or 4.
  4. The human respiratory system is subject to a panoply of coronaviruses and rhinoviruses and we are generally protected by a complex and finally balanced natural immune system, once you start interfering with that system it can cause a depleted response in other areas.
  5. Why has so much effort gone into high tech dodgy vaccines and so little into treatment when there is so much evidence that effective treatment is possible, in some cases using existing drugs. To my mind it indicates that this vaccine push is linked to big business, big money and politics more than health.
432145 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #251 of 1532 🔗

Why has so much effort gone into high tech dodgy vaccines and so little into treatment when there is so much evidence that effective treatment is possible, in some cases using existing drugs. To my mind it indicates that this vaccine push is linked to big business, big money and politics more than health.

I remember asking that somewhere. If you look at Aids, focus has been developing drugs and treatment that help people who have HIV which stops the latter from developing into full blown Aids and letting sufferers live a relatively healthy and normal life.

Why they’ve not copied the Aids strategy has been a mystery. No money in it?

432179 ▶▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #252 of 1532 🔗

I remember that certain countries in the Middle East required a negative AIDs test before you could work there. At the time taking an AIDs test could affect life insurance premiums.

432189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stevie, 1, #253 of 1532 🔗

I vaguely remember that because there were people I knew whose parents worked in the Middle East and they did have to take the test. This was back in the late 80s to early 90s.

Then by the mid 90s, that requirement was dropped.

432429 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #254 of 1532 🔗

I think it is still a requirement for Singapore, that well known pocket of democracy.

432651 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to iansn, #255 of 1532 🔗

I think you’re right but its definitely not the case in the Middle East for a long time now.

433010 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to stevie, #256 of 1532 🔗

There have been huge amounts of money in ploughed into “anti-virals”, in the sense that they are drugs that do not aim to destroy kill the virus, they just prevent the onset of the worst symptoms. In business terms, the result is a full order book for as long as the patients survive, which is the golden goose for the Pharmaceutical Industry. AIDS was a great success story for them in this sense.

432275 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Martindale, #257 of 1532 🔗

https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19 is a good visual but can’t see sinovac and sinopharm being available in the UK .

432068 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Robin Birch, 1, #258 of 1532 🔗

Two that stand out for me:

Viral Impact in England The Empirical Truth Part 1
&

PandaCast | A Conversation with Knut Wittkowski
But there is so much good anti lockdown stuff out there despite censorship.

432685 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Anti_socialist, #259 of 1532 🔗

I point people to that first vid a lot.

432076 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Robin Birch, 12, #260 of 1532 🔗

My approach (whether I believe it or not) is to say I won’t have the vaccine until every vulnerable person in the world has had it. I think it is immoral for someone low risk like myself to elbow my way to the front just because I live in a rich country

432083 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 4, #261 of 1532 🔗

Just say you’re waiting for human trials to end in 10yrs. To see what the results are

432147 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #262 of 1532 🔗

An old man I overheard yesterday at the supermarket said that to his GP – he won’t be having anythig experimental and they can come back to him in 10-15 years time.

432101 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to steve_w, 9, #263 of 1532 🔗

I agree Steve, I would also add that I am willing to selflessly donate my jab to a teacher so that they can continue their valuable work in safety.

432082 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Robin Birch, 28, #264 of 1532 🔗

I recently spoke to a member of staff from a large corporation. While she was sorting out my requirements, the conversation turned to the vaccinations. She asked if I had mine, to which I replied no and won’t be doing so. I heard the relief in her voice followed by an outpouring of her thoughts. She said that most people seemed to be of the opposite view, so she has to be careful what she says. She told me that her daughter in her mid twenties worked in the community for the NHS and she had to have it. I didn’t get the the actual timing of the event but not long after receiving she was so ill that she called an ambulance and was kept in hospital for 3 days. I asked if she would be taking the second dose to which she replied no. Many nurses in hospital, told her that they wouldn’t be taking the vaccine at all. In all now out of 11 people I know who have 9 have had side effects some quite severe. Does this seem right to you.

432093 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Robin Birch, 9, #265 of 1532 🔗

At the end of the day are you willing to insert a product into your body that the manufacturer is unwilling to take responsibility for consequences of?

No vaccine is 100% safe. These have never been fully tested or used before. You only have the assurance of liars & propagandists that they are safe!

432407 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Robin Birch, 1, #266 of 1532 🔗

This is one that I like to use as it states that valid informed consent cannot be given unless participants are made aware of the specific dangers posed by ADE. Don’t get hung up on the title mentioning “vaccine trial participants” as it actually states in the paper that this danger needs to be disclosed to “future patients after vaccine approval”.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ijcp.13795

432602 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Robin Birch, #267 of 1532 🔗

Here is some info on what a trustworthy and ethical company Pfizer is (and I do not think the others are any better)

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/12/09/bowling-for-pfizer-whos-behind-the-biontech-vaccine/

432043 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 14, #268 of 1532 🔗

Let the consequences of this nightmare rip. It is the only way for the message to hammer home. For many this entails necessary suffering. Embrace it, and use the pain to force change. This is all we have left.

432062 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richard O, 2, #269 of 1532 🔗

That is my only hope, Obi-Wan Kenobi, that perhaps this could be the necessary catalyst for real change in the system, let the force be with us, but I fear if history is anything to go by China is our future.

432071 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #270 of 1532 🔗

Let the Death Star be with us. Darth Vader would be a preferable and convincing administrator compared with the current shower of non-entities that nearly everyone is obeying.

432045 Middle England, replying to Middle England, 21, #271 of 1532 🔗

With this ‘roadmap’, it looks like the ‘conspiracy theorists’ were correct from the beginning about the Certificate Of Vaccination ID; with the ‘vulnerable, now absurdly having being extended to people to include people as young as fifty. Odd really given that the state pension age is now sixty-seven.

432049 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Middle England, 12, #272 of 1532 🔗

Vaccine coverage must be 100%, with no exceptions. Anything less is completely unacceptable to our demented, demonic leadership. If anyone cannot see this, then they are beyond redemption.

432107 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Richard O, 8, #273 of 1532 🔗

Somewhere surely there will be a few bent (sorry, heroic) doctors who would give us a certificate in exchange for a small consideration? Perhaps embedded in our more resistant communities?

432127 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fiona Walker, 5, #274 of 1532 🔗

African/Indian doctors are naturally vaccine hesitant

432144 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Fiona Walker, 5, #275 of 1532 🔗

If they are not stopped they will develop systems to make that technically impossible. This is just the first phase.

432113 ▶▶▶ Middle England, replying to Richard O, 8, #276 of 1532 🔗

I just have to add that I am not in favour of ‘vaccination’ status being linked to state pension access, that each of us will already have paid for anyway, via our National Insurance contributions. But I do think that it is worth pointing out the inherent inconsistency.

So people aged between fifty and sixty-six inclusive are considered to be ‘vulnerable’, for the purposes of the ‘vaccine’, but would not be ‘vulnerable’ enough to get the winter fuel allowance offered to OAP’s.

To save the exchequer money, the state pension age is unlikely to be dropped below sixty-seven, it is more likely to rise by up to a few years (bearing in mind that until recently it was sixty-five).

432170 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Middle England, 2, #277 of 1532 🔗

It will be raised to 70 in short order.

432605 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Middle England, 1, #278 of 1532 🔗

Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists have been right on too many matters.

432048 Will, replying to Will, 10, #279 of 1532 🔗

I have wondered, since the start, whether Ferguslime would, eventually, go the way of doctor Kelly. Reading his baity response today, including a rather desperate link to some nonsense from O’Brien, I think it is a racing certainty. They will probably blame his demise on Lockdown Sceptics being mean to him.

432054 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 3, #280 of 1532 🔗

Ferguslime would, eventually, go the way of doctor Kelly

We can hope (no apologies or retractions)

432073 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Will, 4, #281 of 1532 🔗

Why would Ferguson be suicided by the intelligence services?

432110 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 5, #282 of 1532 🔗

No intelligence there to worry them.

432156 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 7, #283 of 1532 🔗

Let’s imagine a scenario… so the public begins to wake up to the fact that infection levels have been in decline before every single lockdown was initiated. They start to wonder whether lockdown has really made a difference or, has it actually made things worse. A certain narcissistic modeller, desperate to be loved, starts muttering about “coming clean” and publicly admitting that he was pressured into modelling as he did because lockdowns had to be seen to work or the public would realise that the catastrophic privations had, not only, been pointless but had actually made things worse; lockdown caused more covid deaths by kicking the can down the road into the winter and that is before we start with the catastrophic by products of lockdown. Given the complicity of nearly the entire establishment in such duplicity, I can well see a scenario in which Ferguson is Kellied.

432412 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Will, #284 of 1532 🔗

On an ancient tumulus used for eons for ritual sacrifices, a circle on top of a hill, guarded by a black goat. They will instigate another investigation and call it “operation Mason II” and they will appoint another home office laccy pathologist to find what ever the deep state wants him to find.

Then we can all learn some lessons, put it behind us and move on. As usual.

432462 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #285 of 1532 🔗

If only….

432169 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Will, 9, #286 of 1532 🔗

He is on a wind-up quoting O’Brien. Ferguscum is up with the likes of Blair, Clinton and Gates, as vile a human being as can be imagined.

432059 Julian, replying to Julian, 34, #287 of 1532 🔗

“Coronavirus Endgame
With the publication on Monday of the Government’s “roadmap” out of lockdown, the Covid crisis enters its final phase, albeit a painfully extended one.”

Headline and first sentence of today’s update. Once more for me both the tone and substance are way off.

Endgame? Final phase? For starters, the roadmap is very vague on what “normal” will look like and the criteria for reaching normal are even vaguer, and we have already had mixed messages from the PM, Hancock and various SAGE gobshites mouthing off to whoever will listen. Secondly there is a long history of U-turns and no reason to suppose this time will be different.

But let’s suppose the roadmap is followed.

Will life be back to normal on June 21? Of course not. Significant restrictions will remain – almost certainly mandatory masks, testing, forced self isolation, probably mandatory booking, limits on crowd sizes, travel restrictions and reams of guidance on covid safe venues, travel, activities, offices. I strongly doubt that school and university activity will be fully back to normal.

There will still be daily reporting of death and case counts and of the latest vaccine and variant news.

Then we come to the autumn/winter. Cases will rise and there will almost certainly be more restrictions, more vaccine coercion and possibly another full lockdown, because while there are a lot more sceptics than there were, and people are fed up with lockdowns, the core narrative that covid was exceptional and that Something Must Be Done has remained intact and the MSM and opposition have remained rock solid behind it.

TY has done great work. I hope he carries on the crusade, but fear that once the pubs are open, he won’t, and that for most “mainstream” sceptics victory will be declared in June and we will have a new normal based on the biggest fraud in global history.

432094 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 3, #288 of 1532 🔗

Well said.

432164 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Julian, 6, #289 of 1532 🔗

SAGE have now pinned themselves to another virus explosion this summer. If that doesn’t happen their credibility will be shot with many more people. I do actually expect Johnson will be able to stick to his timetable and maybe even hire some people to provide better advice for next winter.

I am not saying this good in any way and the damage already done will be felt harshly in the coming years for the majority.

432176 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to nottingham69, 9, #290 of 1532 🔗

SAGE’s credibility was shot more or less from the start, as was the government’s. It has made little difference because the information people need is simply not being presented to them, and now anyone going against the narrative will be smeared as anti-vaccine

432063 phil4nthrope, replying to phil4nthrope, 36, #291 of 1532 🔗

Am I the only one who finds it incredibly frustrating way everyone, including LS, is acting like the government’s word on what is going to happen at the scale of months in advance is worth anything?

For crying out loud people nothing has changed, you’ve been handed another extension and the description of a picture of a crumb of hope! How can that be good enough for so many?!

432074 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to phil4nthrope, 16, #292 of 1532 🔗

I agree fully. I emailed my MP yesterday saying we can fully expect goalposts to shift and everybody expects a full lockdown next winter – unless something monumental changes in our approach

432086 ▶▶▶ phil4nthrope, replying to steve_w, 14, #293 of 1532 🔗

The groundwork has already been laid. Mass testing guarantees higher “case” numbers, the narratives about new strains have been laid.
People who have swallowed it the whole time are telling me they can’t justify more lockdown, but they will roll over the moment the govt announces that with a heavy heart it just isn’t safe to go back to normal.
Maybe I’m wrong and things will go more or less to schedule.
But even then I am not sure I can live in a country longterm where this can just happen with the cooperation of the population at large.

432079 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to phil4nthrope, 9, #294 of 1532 🔗

Don’t worry i’m as pessimistic today, lockdown will never end (but may take a different form), as i’ve always been.

432088 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to phil4nthrope, 28, #295 of 1532 🔗

No, you’re not. Against my better judgement, I listened to Mike Graham on TR yesterday. I didn’t last long. He was going on about how positive everything was and, if you only have to wait another month to get some ‘normality’ back, what’s the problem.

I tell you what the problem is Mike (I’m still earning my full salary) Graham, for some of us, it will have been knocking on for 15 months since we were last able to run our businesses properly, And that’s if you believe the latest load of bollocks emanating from the office of the Prime Muppet, which I don’t.

432097 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 12, #296 of 1532 🔗

You have intimate knowledge of the precipice over which we have already fallen. This destruction is still an abstract concept for most. But one way or the other everyone will learn about how damaging were the catastrophic errors of judgement made by billions.

432119 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 17, #297 of 1532 🔗

But the funny thing is, they’re all blind to what’s coming. They think it’s alright for plebs like me to suffer the financial cost of this, but not them. As far as I am concerned, if they think lockdowns are so bloody good, they can damn well pay for them.

432131 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 7, #298 of 1532 🔗

There will be a very short golden period when you will have been proven right. When this happens, rub it in to all your moron customers while it lasts. After this, you, like the rest of us, will be erased.

432160 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Richard O, 7, #299 of 1532 🔗

That is it. The masses won’t know until it hits them but it will and hard. Including the intelligentia in the bought Public Sector, who are milking this to the max.

432281 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kh1485, 4, #300 of 1532 🔗

At least he hates masks. Worth listening in around 11.05 today assuming Neil Oliver is on .

432482 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, #301 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I suppose so. Thanks, that’s one thing to look forward to when I get home!

433415 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to kh1485, #302 of 1532 🔗

Mike Graham? Have you seen or heard the man? Thinks he speaks for the normal bloke. “Pig’s arse!”

432613 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to phil4nthrope, 1, #303 of 1532 🔗

Repeal Coronavirus Act

432069 Adamb, 13, #304 of 1532 🔗

Jeffrey Tucker’s pieces have generally been excellent. I was a bit surprised at the extent of his optimism today though. Maybe with places like Florida putting up real resistance and getting attention things are moving faster in the US. Certainly hope he’s right.

432070 steve_w, replying to steve_w, #305 of 1532 🔗

are we really the hardest locked down country in the world apart from Eire?

432081 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 2, #306 of 1532 🔗

Countries like the Philippines are far worse. Look up the “Postcard from the Philippines” published in yesterday’s update.

432249 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to steve_w, #307 of 1532 🔗

I think it’s in Europe

432272 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to steve_w, #308 of 1532 🔗

Where is Eire? Oh, do you mean the Republic of Ireland?

432288 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ewan Duffy, #309 of 1532 🔗

Go on I’ll bite -what is the difference?

432719 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to steve_w, #310 of 1532 🔗

I guess bit is also personal perception.
I for one find having a curfew at night worse than what we experience here.

432075 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 8, #311 of 1532 🔗

I thought the tone of LS today was decidedly positive. Are we really going in the direction that more people come to their senses?
If so we should keep this momentum going to make sure such draconian measures can never be implemented again.

432085 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MFvH, 18, #312 of 1532 🔗

Far too positive IMO

More people are coming over to our side all the time, but still far too few

The core narrative that covid is exceptional, about which Something Must Be Done, that lockdowns are an acceptable way of dealing with pandemics, that masks work, that mass testing is sensible, and that Vaccines are the way out, is still pretty firmly entrenched

432103 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 11, #313 of 1532 🔗

I think Will is trying to build up momentum – nothing wrong with that, but your reservations are fully justified. The best news – for me – is that something like 20% are refusing the jab, which gives the regime a big headache.

432138 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bugle, 3, #314 of 1532 🔗

Nothing wrong with building momentum, but we should be realistic and set the bar high

432077 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 5, #315 of 1532 🔗

Great opening piece, Will.

432157 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bugle, 7, #316 of 1532 🔗

Delusionally optimistic and naive. The exit strategy is full of caveats with a destination of continual testing, masks, vaccine passports and limited ‘new normal’ social interaction.

432917 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jb12, 2, #317 of 1532 🔗

Lay off now. If the team are too pessimistic, they get lambasted. If they are too optimistic, they get lambasted. If they merely report what’s in the media, they get lambasted. What the hell are they supposed to do?

432078 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 6, #318 of 1532 🔗

I wonder if any of the MPs will ask Al Johnson the Blonde Pube whether he has done a cost benefit analysis of his Great Lockdown WindDown route?

432554 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Skippy, #319 of 1532 🔗

apparently there is a coiled spring- and if that doesn’t unleash itself there is negative interest rates to encourage spending

432084 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 24, #320 of 1532 🔗

LDS pushing the Vaxx bullshit again as usual. Fom ATL SAGE GIGO (no flocking kidding sherlock).

“The vaccine seems to be 100% effective in preventing death from COVID-19. The Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective in preventing symptomatic disease altogether, so the number of deaths that would occur among the cohort who take it would, presumably, be very low (in Israel , there were 4 severe cases and no deaths among 523,000 vaccinated people).”

The stupidity behind this declaration staggers.

Hundreds dead in the UK post-vaxx, thousands injured.
95% of the over-75s were jabbed by end of Jan, yet in the UK 10K have died – avg age over 80.

Maybe LDS and the Vaxx fascists might want to explain those 2 points above and ask simple questions:

1-does the vaxx actually work on the plus 80s with co-morbidities? No data whatsoever on this. Israel vaxx’d 500K people – so what? Ages were? Did the vaxx actually reduce symptoms in anyone or did you jab healthy people not at risk?

2-why the dead in the UK in Feb from CV if the vaxx works ? Who has died, why? No clue from the NHS or gov’t. Isn’t this of interest?

3-Why all the injuries and deaths worldwide?

4-95% ‘effective’ is data fraud. If a 50 yr old takes the vaxx he won’t die, but that is not a success, since he would not die from Rona anyway….FFS

etc

Vaxx vaxx vaxx

mRNA is NOT a flipping vaxx. It could take months, or longer to see the effects. This is called science. And common sense.

432142 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to FerdIII, 5, #321 of 1532 🔗

The stupidity behind this declaration staggers.
Hundreds dead in the UK post-vaxx, thousands injured.
95% of the over-75s were jabbed by end of Jan, yet in the UK 10K have died – avg age over 80.

Yes .

432591 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to FerdIII, 4, #322 of 1532 🔗

It’s all done by ‘relative’ as opposed to ‘absolute’ results. When the NHS want to persuade you to take a dug they give you the results in ‘relative’ values. If they don’t want you to take a drug they give you the results in ‘absolute’ values. If someone has only a 2% chance of getting a disease and the drug reduces it by half it is only a slight improvement and not worth it for the side effects. It is a 1%. However, it ‘relative’ result gives the overall improvement as 50%. Very different. They do this with cancer treatments and drugs. Always insist on ACTUAL figures. The risk reduction for the monkey gunk is minute for anyone who isn’t old and sick and you are more likely to suffer from the gunk than the illness. I cannot see how they can enforce anyone to take part in a medical trial.

432090 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 7, #323 of 1532 🔗

WE GOT A PROBLEM (@problem_we) Tweeted: Richard Fuller MP talking sense in parliament. Calls out all MP’s for letting this shit show happen https://t.co/BqqNyvJ5HF
https://twitter.com/problem_we/status/1364219555665514501?s=20

Well worth a listen.

432096 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, #324 of 1532 🔗

Sorry Lockdown sceptic. I’ve just seen that you have posted this below!

432099 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Margaret, 10, #325 of 1532 🔗

MPs are a sad, stupid lot.
They are pro-Vaxx, pro-LDs for the most part (90%), pro open borders and pro-model mafia. Any idiot with a white jacket drooling the word science is immediately an expert and ruler of the sheeple.

Not seen any MPs go after the data, the whole premise of the CV fascism, including real LD dead counts, fake dead counts, fake tests, and fake vaxx claims, nor vaxx dead and injured (gov’t admits to over 300 dead, imagine if you made a product which killed 300, what would happen to you……

MPs have not done their jobs and have abdicated their roles to SAGE short for Model Morons who are not Scientists, Doctors, nor IT professionals.

432165 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to FerdIII, 3, #326 of 1532 🔗

Actually, I believe that MPs are pro-MPs, and that is it. Morals, ethics, common sense, their constituents and the truth are utterly irrelevant if they do not serve the MP’s perceived best interests!

432168 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to FerdIII, 1, #327 of 1532 🔗

They don’t need to look at the data, the whips tell them what to say.

433064 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to stevie, #328 of 1532 🔗

Based on the correspondence I’ve received from my MP, the Whips Office effectively sends the emails!

432185 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to FerdIII, 4, #329 of 1532 🔗

They have no skin in the game. They’re still pulling in their salaries and expenses. They will only realise if the electorate have the courage to punish them next time we are ever allowed an election, and even then we need some alternative to the major parties.

432091 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 38, #330 of 1532 🔗

I know some of us on here are still very sceptical of whether Johnson will stick to his roadmap promises, but a perusal of more general social media and MSM outlets suggests that the public take this to be the ‘final push’ and genuinely think that lockdown will be permanently over on 21st June. This sort of finality wasn’t present for the unwinding of the first or second lockdown – there was always an element of weariness and cynicism that Covid would ‘return’ and that we’d be back in lockdown in a matter of time. That doesn’t seem to be the case now, at least among the general public.

I’m not sure if it’s the arrival of the magic vaccine or fatigue or a mixture of both, but the public definitely believe that we will be properly ‘free’ on 21st June. Of course, that remains to be seen, but the fact of the matter is that the public’s hopes and expectations have been raised the highest they’ve ever been raised in the past year. So, if Johnson and his cabal of control freaks do try to lock us down to keep us under restrictions a second longer than the mythical ‘end date’ which has now been set up in the minds of the public, there may well be a much stronger pushback this time, especially if they’ve been injected with their holy vaccine.

Some commenters may remember that I spoke the other day about my mum’s blind faith in the vaccine, and the other day, when I mentioned about visiting her soon, she said ‘No, I’m not going to blow anything, we’ve come so far and we’re so close to the vaccine now!’ She consumes a lot of MSM rubbish so she is a good barometer for what the mainstream public think. I thought her remark was very revealing – a combination of the sunk cost fallacy which has characterised this shitshow and the belief that the vaccine really is the endgame.

As I said, it remains to be seen what the government itself will do with regards to the roadmap, but as far as the public is concerned, the appetite for lockdowns and restrictions is well and truly gone, and we can expect some serious consequences if restrictions remain, even after the vaccine.

432112 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, 23, #331 of 1532 🔗

There is no roadmap. Restrictions will remain until 100% of the population have been vaccinated. Which means forever, because there will be multiple mandatory vaccines every year for the rest of this century. Anyone who has volunteered to be vaccinated is already signed up to this whether they know it or not.

There will be no serious consequences, other than for the honourable few who refuse to submit. But let’s face it, is removal from this nightmare something to be feared?

432116 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Poppy, 49, #332 of 1532 🔗

It’s still shameful that it’s probably lockdown fatigue that has prompted this slight change in public mood. That the majority didn’t care about the catastrophic emotional and financial toll these measures have had on their countrymen is telling of what kind of society we now live in.

As far as I am concerned, these bastards have been complicit in stealing 15 months of my life and my ability to earn a proper living. As Mark says, never forgive, never forget, and I won’t.

432159 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to kh1485, 15, #333 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I think this too. Getting pissed off with lockdown being the prime motivator for demanding its cessation means it is inevitable that they will be nudged back into one after it has eased for a bit and they have recharged. People need to understand rather than react.

432184 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 22, #334 of 1532 🔗

As far as I am concerned, these bastards have been complicit in stealing 15 months of my life and my ability to earn a proper living. As Mark says, never forgive, never forget, and I won’t.

This!!! ^^^^

Part of my mental health going down the toilet is being robbed of the ability to do my job, being trapped in an abysmal neighbourhood and learning that I’m very much alone to carry my mental burdens. I will neither forgive nor forget those who have done this and those who have been complicit.

432456 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #335 of 1532 🔗

Yet some of them (thinking of a couple I know/knew?) tell me I should be charitable/understanding etc towards them!!!!!!

432918 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #336 of 1532 🔗

I feel the same and although my neighbourhood isn’t the worst I’m not used to constantly being in a city surrounded by people and unable to find peace or solitude. I’ve been lucky in that I’ve been able to go to work but opportunities to exhibit my artwork have been lost and a healthy year of my life has been stolen from me.

432204 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to kh1485, 7, #337 of 1532 🔗

Nor will I. I am shocked that people who I thought were enlightened and intelligent have been brainwashed; see this reply to me –

‘I have to put a different perspective on the pandemic which I gain from the coalface as it were (the BMJ). It’s certainly not like a bad flu season. The medical profession is overwhelmed by the demands of dealing with Covid infections, the deaths are in excess of anything expected from influenza. It has affected poorer areas of the country more than us lucky ones and BAME population worse again … I have booked my vaccination for this week. This is the one aspect of the pandemic which has been well managed up to now!’

I’ll have to gently try to (re-)introduce them to the truth, maybe send short simple items, e.g. Whitty’s 2 min. statement on 11 May 2020 (a pretty fair account, I thought), the PCR failings. If those in what I’d call ‘late middle age’ get problems from taking the ‘vaccines’, it’ll be tough.

432765 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to John001, 4, #338 of 1532 🔗

Denial of HCQ before first lockdown – many more deaths.

Many BAME doctors dying in April last year until they started acquiring massive doses of Vit D (from Italy).

No government recommendations on boosting immune systems.

No reductions in deaths with lockdowns or masks.

432286 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to kh1485, 3, #339 of 1532 🔗

Exactly. If there’s one thing that’s upset ( mild term ) me more than anything, it’s this.

432148 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Poppy, 13, #340 of 1532 🔗

Johnson’s ‘promises’ remind me of the wording I see on the back of some buses around here:

‘Up to four per hour’. Which could mean ‘once per year’. So vague as to be meaningless.

Johnson’s dates are similar.

433007 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Basileus, #341 of 1532 🔗

“Up to 50% off!” – with “up to” in tiny letters!

432175 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Poppy, 21, #342 of 1532 🔗

Your mum’s words chill me to the core. I’ve heard other people talk of “not undoing all the good work” having been conned into imprisoning themselves in their own homes for a year. This is the cruelest act of the psychological warfare. Making these poor people feel like they would be rewarded with eternal life if they gave up their ACTUAL LIVES. Is how radical groups brainwash people into becoming suicide bombers. Or soldiers. Humanity needs a reset!

432186 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #343 of 1532 🔗

It is the ‘sunk cost fallacy’.

432182 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 18, #344 of 1532 🔗

Well said Poppy. Some of the messages I got on Arsebook from lockdownistas constantly went “hang in there” or “we’re almost there.” One has to smile and be awed at the blind faith of people who still can’t see how much we have been lied to again and again and again.

That said I do think you’re right about people losing their appetite for lockdown and restrictions. If my encounters in Epping and conversations I’ve overheard between 20-somethings and those in their 70s are anything to go by, more and more people are becoming sceptical and are wondering what the point of vaccinating the vulnerable was if we’re not going to open up soon.

432862 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #345 of 1532 🔗

“One more push” was a common catch-phrase during WW1. But by 1917, patience was starting to fray. A bit like with this.

432317 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Poppy, 16, #346 of 1532 🔗

I would love for “all” restrictions to be removed on 21st of June but the devil is in the details. For a start, they have mentioned nothing at all to do with mask mandates. In fact, they’ve just introduced new ones for secondary school pupils. Then we have the matter of Michael Gove “looking into” vaccine passports. Why would he be looking into these unless they intended to introduce these in some shape or form? If I have to either take a test or have a vaccine to go to a pub, gym or even to work, then things are very far from normal.

432374 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Poppy, 2, #347 of 1532 🔗

Good weather helps,seeing those pics from last weekend, lots of people out and about, being human , enjoying the sun and company, and hardly a mask to be seen…

433072 ▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Poppy, 3, #348 of 1532 🔗

Sadly, I think that you’re forgetting that this is exactly where we were in late November. BJ had given a “cast iron guaratees that the Lockdown would end on 3 December”. Instead, although it wasn’t called a Lockdown on 4 December, almost all the restrictions seemed to remain in place

432095 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 17, #349 of 1532 🔗

Thanks to Guy de la Bédoyère and the reader today for their powerful accounts of their experiences of their mother in law and father in care homes.

Just brings home the insanity and inhumanity of what has been going on.

It’s tough reading but it is essential that we have these accounts in the above the line articles. Perhaps it should be a daily slot with readers encouraged to contribute their accounts.

If you look at the below the line posts, it’s the human and personal stories that get the large upvotes. And that’s how it should be.

432100 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Freecumbria, -1, #350 of 1532 🔗

LDS prefers pro-Vaxx propaganda and highlighting the ‘greatness’ of Shitty and Fergutard.

432106 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 8, #351 of 1532 🔗

That’s unfair. Different sections cover different things, and that’s as it shoukd be.

432120 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 3, #352 of 1532 🔗

Don’t become institutionalised.

433032 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Crystal Decanter, #354 of 1532 🔗

It seems to me that Blumenthal has fails to understand what is going on.

432105 Basileus, 1, #355 of 1532 🔗

I love the Theme Song. Just tweeted. Let’s hope it goes viral.

432117 Carmen B, replying to Carmen B, 17, #356 of 1532 🔗

Thanks for the piece by Dr Zoe Harcombe. How about more contributions from your healthcare contacts on what they’re seeing in hospitals, care homes, vaccination clinics, etc.?

Also, I think you’re being way too optimistic about the UK being in the endgame. On past form, Johnson and his ministers will take any excuse and invent any pretext to maintain, even extend, their oppression of the British public. Now is not the time to relax.

432141 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Carmen B, 6, #357 of 1532 🔗

Yes, Zoe Harcombe’s piece is a brilliant forensic analysis of the evidence that NICE considered, and the extraordinary conclusions they came to. Although perhaps only extraordinary if you think NICE are objective, unbiased and unconflicted.

As always she provides links to the studies where available, and gives the reader the opportunity to assess the evidence also.

432130 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #358 of 1532 🔗

Interesting article in the Graun yesterday which starts by criticising bozo for the slowness of his roadmap before exploring the sexual antics of his dog which is actually funny.
Two surprises from the Graun in one article.

432139 ▶▶ iane, replying to karenovirus, 3, #359 of 1532 🔗

Nice to know they occasionally publish something of at least slight merit. However, for me at least, the GroanAid does what it says on my label for it!

432152 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to karenovirus, 2, #360 of 1532 🔗

I haven’t read the Guardian for years, but from what I recall Marina Hyde was one of the better columnists. Simon Jenkins can also be good.

432206 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to karenovirus, 2, #361 of 1532 🔗

Apparently Dilyn has been eating the wooden furniture and then turned to Johnson’s head

432921 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 2, #362 of 1532 🔗

Wouldn’t notice any difference.

432257 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 2, #363 of 1532 🔗

Still never recovered from Jessica Valentis
“Wolf whistles are the scourge of toxic masulinity”
and then a few years later
“no-body wolf whistles at me anymore and i’m sad”
Peak Guardian

432132 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 5, #364 of 1532 🔗

We see Florida getting a big mention, but there’s another place that is being overlooked and yet which is having its own sucess in fighting covid without wrecking its economy; Dubai. The ony restrictions in place are really ”light touch” stuff – masks in public areas, distancing requests,etc, but to be honest you’d otherwise not notice much difference to how things were before Jan ’20. There was a brief lockdown in March last year but once lifted the government saw the financial harm it did and presumably vowed never to do it again.

Dubai has of course been subject to some of the more viscious assaults by the UK government of late; ban on direct flights, malicious stories about the ruler and his family! All transparently obvious in their aims and timings.

432136 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bigade, 31, #365 of 1532 🔗

Sorry but masks and distancing are not light touch – they interfere with basic human social functions and can never be accepted

432203 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Julian, 6, #366 of 1532 🔗

Dead right.

432291 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bigade, #367 of 1532 🔗

I see quite a few ads for Dubai, suggesting it as a home for mobile workers to work from. As an atheist, I will have to pass.

432453 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bigade, 3, #368 of 1532 🔗

The Dubai ruler did kidnap his daughter and has got her in prison. No question he’s absolutely in the wrong on that one and poor girls plight needs publicising and country needs boycotting until she’s set free.

432135 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 37, #369 of 1532 🔗

Big Cheese briefing yesterday at work. Whilst there is an acknowledgement of our shaky finances and not making any siginificant recoveries until 2026-7 (in line with the projections of the aviation and tourist industries), two things were making me curse at my screen yesterday:

a) the constant bleating of “caused by the pandemic” When will Big Cheeses acknowledge that it WAS LOCKDOWN WOT DID IT? If we remained open all throughout without any restrictions, all this would not have happened.

b) still going on about people being afraid to come to the capital and visit. Have these people not gotten the memo that unemployment is now at 3 million and continuing to rise? Or bankruptcies now at an all time high? I think its more the lack of finances that deter people from coming not the virus.

Here endeth my rant.

432149 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #370 of 1532 🔗

According to the Hindoo magic money man ex Goldman Sachs (millionaire), there are only 1.9 mn on the Furlough. More data fraud. March 2020, almost 10 mn. Dec 2020, 9 mn. Now in Feb poof! only 1.9 mn during LD 3….not buying it. 24 mn private sector workers in the UK, 2/3 of them are in smaller firms. I would guess real Furlough numbers are north of 5 mn easily.

This gov’t just lies about evthg including unemployment. They will manufacture future GDP numbers just like the Soviets did as well. A record year for cheese production etc.

432192 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 9, #371 of 1532 🔗

I think people forget that furlough is just delaying the inevitable (redundancy) and fudging the employment stats. It will be interesting to see what happens when more businesses go bust and when the retrenchment and cuts start to catch up in the public sector.

By 2022-3 I can see unemployment easily being at 5-6 million.

432475 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to FerdIII, 3, #372 of 1532 🔗

I think the real furlough numbers are almost certainly higher when you take into account the way partially operational firms (e.g airlines, places open but only for takeaway etc) are using the scheme. Many firms are rotating staff on and off of the scheme on a month by month basis, so it might be 1.9 million at any one time, but significantly more people will be on the scheme due to this rotational system.

432199 ▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #373 of 1532 🔗

I would love to come up to the capital. But there is no point at the moment with everything closed. My long walks around London (London Loop etc) are out of the question at the moment because all the pubs and restaurants are closed. Vicious circle, but it is obvious why people aren’t coming in in their droves at the moment.

432212 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to davews, 8, #374 of 1532 🔗

Exactly and if you have to go through the hassle of prebooking, being treated like a leper and having to muzzle up then what’s the point?

Plus the fact everything is shut as well.

432306 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to davews, 2, #375 of 1532 🔗

also I wouldn’t recommend coming to London to go for walks-not unless you like crowds!

432259 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #376 of 1532 🔗

These bounce back economists are a little too optimistic. I’d be surprised if cities and town centres aren’t the last places to recover.

432405 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #377 of 1532 🔗

They are. The fact that they still go on about people being scared shows that our wrecked economy hasn’t exactly nudged them into reality.

432450 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #378 of 1532 🔗

Yep – I correct the language every time I can manage it. Any time anyone says “caused by Covid” I’m looking for the way to change it to “caused by Lockdown”.

432494 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 1, #379 of 1532 🔗

I did want to interrupt and correct them on that. Plus if I get the chance to speak, I always preface with “caused by lockdowns”

432143 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 23, #380 of 1532 🔗

My apologies if this has been posted already but the Daily Mail has a piece about people’s response to his roadmap;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9291859/People-arent-waiting-roadmap-Boris-Lockdown-weary-Brits-enjoy-coffees-pals.html
I found it heartening to see pictures of a park football match, people picnicing on a park bench and the Bristol Docks drinking club ( if the people can’t go to the pub the pub will go to the people).
The roadmap is too bitty and protracted, as far as the people are concerned the message is that is has ended, the roadmap is already overwhelmed with a tsunami of traffic which come the Easter weekend is likely to be a tsunami of actually traffic as people head for their Easter break.

432150 ▶▶ iane, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #381 of 1532 🔗

And, of course, the virus will follow its own trajectory regardless of what the people (and even the sheeple) do. The ‘government’ will thus claim that everyone has been saintly in following their amazingly successful roadmap.

432153 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to iane, 8, #382 of 1532 🔗

Or they will celebrate the magic vaxx….without telling the sheeple why post Vaxx we had in Feb 10 K dead avg age still over 80, when 95% of the 9 mn over 75s were vaxx’d by end of Jan.

Interesting that innit? Why no inquiring minds asking WTF is going on with saint Vaxx? (and the hundreds of vaxx dead as well)……

432877 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to iane, 1, #383 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know. They spend a lot of time grumbling about the minority who don’t play ball…

432151 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #384 of 1532 🔗

No roadmap. Just a confused path to nowhere. Under the age of 60 you have more of a chance of dying in a car wreck, or choking to death….Some sheeple may be waking up finally….until the next avalanche of fear mongering propaganda creates a truth-white out (variants, need more vaxx’s for variants, variants 1 million times more deadly, NHS nurses can’t make dance vids will be overwhelmed etc)

432161 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 11, #385 of 1532 🔗

I notice the Beeb are keeping Phil the Greek off their news Home page (he does make it onto the UK page, though).

Of course, since he’s only got an ‘ infection ‘ that is definitely not Covid , it’s not news.

432193 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 7, #386 of 1532 🔗

He’s just had the jab hasnt he, so its ‘just an infection’

432167 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #387 of 1532 🔗

Excellent top article, not that the DM has stopped its propaganda, twisting the words of Dr John Lee, the comments from the extremists about ‘anti vaxers’ feeling the full force of Domestic Segregation are shameful. Will a vax be required for each varient, there seems to be hundreds.

432172 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 5, #388 of 1532 🔗

A vaccine will be required or not required for variants according to how governments feel about how best to keep the Big Lie going

The top article was terrible, sorry. See my post earlier.

432188 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Julian, 3, #389 of 1532 🔗

I agree re varients and vaxing, its a money spinner too good to let go. Re the article, we need to keep up momentum, yes but we also need optimism for the same reason

432334 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, #390 of 1532 🔗

He looks like he’s riddled with aids anyway

432173 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 15, #391 of 1532 🔗

I guess one sure way to kill off the vaccine passport to get Charlie Mullins Pimlico Plumbers to state they will insist on a vaccine passport from their customers.
I’m sure an enterprising journalist could contact Charlie Mullins for a soundbite?

432218 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to crimsonpirate, 17, #392 of 1532 🔗

He’s a knob and may his business go bust either through boycotts or lawsuits. Preferably both.

432294 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #393 of 1532 🔗

I sincerely hope so!

432446 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #394 of 1532 🔗

Not to forget the angle that goes – would he insist customers show proof of having had the jab before his plumber goes in the door? So he might bite his own nose off to spite his face by pulling that stunt too.

432575 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 2, #395 of 1532 🔗

Agree. PP don’t have a good reputation anyway and this will further drive potential customers away.

432174 bickers, 8, #396 of 1532 🔗

Boris Johnson can’t/won’t lift all restrictions till the end of June because SAGE have said that 55,000 people might die. Who are these 55,000 people? If all the ‘vulnerable groups’ have been offered vaccines by mid April (c.18million as of today) then 99.99% of potential Covid deaths have been taken out of the equation from these groups. You know that outside of the ‘vulnerable groups’ the number that might die (even before being vaccinated) are statistically insignificant. Therefore, the only significant numbers of people (as per SAGE) that might die of Covid after April can only come from the ‘vulnerable groups’ and can only be those that have refused the vaccine. Does that mean Boris Johnson is keeping tens of millions of healthy, safe from Covid death citizens under virtual house arrest because some unspecified number of ‘vulnerable group’ people refuse the vaccine? Who are they? Boris Johnson needs to tell us ASAP or there‘s going to be one almighty backlash against these restrictions beyond the end of April, maybe sooner.

432180 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #398 of 1532 🔗

We live under a cruel heartless dictatorship. Who knew?

Perhaps everyone should send this article to the piece of scum Ferguson

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56173938

432194 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 5, #399 of 1532 🔗

2 things:

1. Ferguson wouldn’t care. I can’t believe Lockdown Sceptics are even giving him a platform, even if it does show how much of an arse he is.

2. Note the hidden message in the BBC article: they refer to the couple not being allowed to ‘ hold hands ‘; not hug , or kiss , but hold hands .

Just my reading of it, but it’s a sly way of supporting Bojo’s ‘couples will be able to hold hands’ (nothing else) when things start to reopen.

432200 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ceriain, 14, #400 of 1532 🔗

The only platform Ferguson should be given is a gallows.

432201 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 2, #401 of 1532 🔗

When I read things like, holding hands, nothing else, I picture those school boys, sniggering together ‘nothing else, haw haw’

432379 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, #402 of 1532 🔗

The article tells us that the monsters now ruling Gulag Wales have no plans to permit any contact at all.

432198 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 4, #403 of 1532 🔗

No comments allowed on that article. What a surprise.

432181 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #404 of 1532 🔗

So the reason that Zoe seemed to be showing symptomatic ‘cases’ increasing in some areas, was that people who had the experimental vaccine, were getting ‘vaccine after effects’ of covid symptoms and testing positive. So not really increasing at all.

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-rates-calculation-changed

They don’t want to say it, but it does seem to show that either

a) the experimental vaccine is weakening the immune system so much that it is putting people at extreme risk of covid in the weeks after vaccination, illness they wouldn’t have had in those weeks, had they not had the vaccine. What does that mean for care homes? Have people in care homes not been protected by the vaccine in at least some cases, but have been made more vulnerable instead?

b) the experimental vaccine is causing people to test positive. What does that mean for covid labelled deaths in care homes? Should autopsies be done on all people dying in care homes following vaccination and a subsequent positive test, to see if the death was actually caused by vaccine side affects.

Given zoe covers the whole community, most of whom haven’t been experimentally vaccinated, it must be quite an extreme affect to cause the distortion of their figures.

Just my immediate thoughts. Can anybody else make sense of this?

432223 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 10, #405 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know the answer

I have considered

1 – vaccines are killing the hyper-frail

2 – vaccines are hammering the immune system so people are coming down with covid that is either around or latent within them

3 – people are getting covid in the vaccination centres or by the health visitors

ps My cousin shielded for 11 months and then came down with covid after getting her vaccine – either she got covid from the vaccination centre, the vaccine made it look like she had covid or the vaccination made her more likely to come down with covid – or bad luck

432242 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 5, #406 of 1532 🔗

Thanks. Good logic there.

The whole latency thing is something rarely talked about. But it seems plausible that in Spring 2020 something caused the virus to suddenly trigger in the UK for example as discussed in this paper building on Hope Simpson’s studies on influenza, rather than it being transmitted person to person very quickly. And perhaps the vaccination is causing some triggering affect also?

432258 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #407 of 1532 🔗

I have no idea but I think latency is probably an effect. Maybe some viruses evolve to hang around until we are weak and then spring into action – maybe vitamin D or some other seasonal marker. They have hypotheses for seasonality of flu but its still an open question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Seasonal_variations

432253 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 5, #408 of 1532 🔗

Shielding for 11 months made her more likely to fall for any old lurgy she might have come across.

432261 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to karenovirus, 3, #409 of 1532 🔗

true – its like having 3 winters in a row

432298 ▶▶▶ silverbirch, replying to steve_w, 11, #410 of 1532 🔗

A friend’s sister died in a care home 3 weeks after getting her vaccine. Covid on the death certificate but not one single case of covid in the year she was in the home.

432493 ▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to silverbirch, 4, #411 of 1532 🔗

Sorry to be a bit heartless but someone is going to swing for that. She had the jab so it can’t have been Covid.

433204 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to steve_w, 3, #412 of 1532 🔗

is that what has happened to Duke of Edinburgh but BP is trying to keep it on the down low I wonder???

432239 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #413 of 1532 🔗

The few I’ve spoken to who’ve had the jab, haven’t been given any advice on what to do following. No leaflet explaining side effects etc. I don’t know if this is widespread practice?

432441 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #414 of 1532 🔗

At our vaccine centre we were all given a copy of the Astra Zenneca patient leaflet which we were supposed to read beforehand. That had the full list of side effects and mention of the yellow card system. The nurse also briefly discussed them. It may be that in care homes they don’t bother.

432612 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #415 of 1532 🔗

Most eligible people I know have had ‘the [first] jab’ – much to my frustration as I have been telling them all for months about potential risks. The two people I have spoken to since both said they had ‘mild’ side effects which laid them up for a couple of days (!) and they have obviously been led to assume that is to be expected and therefore ‘normal’. Neither of them said they knew anything about reporting side effects so hadn’t considered there was any need to.

One of them said that he was told to sit in his car in the large car park for fifteen minutes after having the jab. He was on his own so I asked him whether any staff regularly checked to ensure no one had passed out or was suffering any reaction, especially as some people, like him, would be on their own. He said that they had told him that if he felt strange he should push on the car horn. It struck me that they clearly do not take seriously the risk of immediate adverse reaction.

432191 Brett_McS, 12, #416 of 1532 🔗

My sense of The Roadmap is of one of those toys with buttons, dials, toggles and switches that is, of course, connected to nothing. These people are idiots.

432196 DanClarke, 6, #417 of 1532 🔗

say NO to domestic segregation

432202 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #418 of 1532 🔗

Looking at MSM “news” cough cough I can see the Government being painted into a corner.

They do mention that the dates are “earliest” or “maybe” or “possibly” but quietly then trumpet the date as if ti is fixed in stone with the expectation that what is stated will happen on that day will go ahead.

What to account for this?

  1. Government been given new orders from behind the scenes and been told to end it all as the population is waking up from their stupour and can spot the bullshit and this is a face saving plan.
  2. Government been given new orders from behind the scenes and been told to end it all as the system wide exercises are now complete and “they” have the info needed to do better next time.
  3. The pot is being stirred so that when the Government delays things the shit can really hit the fan, mass violence and civil disobedience. Draconian new laws and crackdowns hailing a true dictatorship.
  4. Stupidity and incompetence by all concerned – politicians, advisors, MSM – as none of them have a clue on what is happening in the real world or how pissed off people really are becoming.
  5. All of the above to some degree

What is the consensus out there?

432227 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #419 of 1532 🔗

It’s definitely NOT 4.

Stupidity and incompetence by all concerned – politicians, advisors, MSM – as none of them have a clue on what is happening in the real world or how pissed off people really are becoming.

None of this is incompetence.

432228 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 4, #420 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know, they’re pretty high on the stupid scale.

432283 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #421 of 1532 🔗

they’re pretty high on the stupid scale

I’ll give you that.

Just remember, though, stupidity and incompetence are not the same thing. My life experience is that it’s very easy to be one and not the other, although I have met, worked for, and worked with, many people who were both. 😉

432375 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 3, #422 of 1532 🔗

It’s quite easy to be stupid and wicked at the same time.

432578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, #423 of 1532 🔗

Certainly give you that one.

432230 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #424 of 1532 🔗

I think it’s all of the above to some degree. I noticed how little coverage was given to the recent WEF online junket and I suspect a lot of that is because people are aware of what they want and what they’re up to. Even if you think “the Great Reset” is a load of bollocks you would still find it uncomfortable that some bloke with a villain sounding name is maximising his 15 minutes of fame.

Many people are waking up too because they’ve been sold the idea that once the vulnerable have been vaccinated, we can open up and the restrictrions junked. But the government and the celeb wannabes in Sage are constantly shifting the goalposts and people are gettting fed up.

Of course the zero covid fanatics want us the public to do like our Dutch brothers & sisters and kick off so as to give them an excuse double down on the restrictions. Hence we have to hold our nerve and not give them the satisfaction of wanting to impose martial law.

432231 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #425 of 1532 🔗

I genuinely think 1 & 2. These parasites intend to go about their business unnoticed. A lot of people have woken up recently they will not want this to spread.

432245 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #426 of 1532 🔗

I think it’s more or less 2) but they’re not ending it because they have the info they need, they’re ending it because they have achieved their objective. It seems to me the objective all along was to get the vaccine and to virtually mandate it for the entire population with vaccine passports. Why exactly they are hellbent on vaccinating everyone in the world when only a tiny percentage are particularly vulnerable is unclear to me, but I wouldn’t rule anything out at all.

432527 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Chicot, #427 of 1532 🔗

Ending it ?!?! Mwah ha ha ha.

432278 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #428 of 1532 🔗

Jacques Ellul in his book Propaganda states that if a state has employed propaganda to mobilise a population by raising them to fever pitch the regime will then bring in a period of calm before ratcheting it up again.
The populace get used to the status quo and then are ready to go another step.

This is the lull point. Jan and Feb was brutal in its fear mongering. Have a rest, give the people a bit of hope. Then BAM!

432303 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #429 of 1532 🔗

3

Because it’s all about the economy, and the bad guys’ preparation for the NWO.

432484 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #430 of 1532 🔗

3 is the nightmare scenario. Economic collapse is coming, this is what the covid scam is all about, states world wide have been getting their security lockdown in place for the big one.

This is however too scary to think about but then look at what has already happened. It’s pretty scary elready. Due to the arrogance, stupidity and pure unabridled EVIL of the Regieme this is likely and the collapse will be blamed on covid as was the plan all along.

Unless something big changes this is the trajectory that is in the script.

However I hope I am wrong. It does seem like the sheeple have had enough and every week 10’s of thousands more people think it’s all bollocks and now with lots being jabbed they see that this should be then end of it.

So not totally hopeless.

432208 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #431 of 1532 🔗

Here’s a factoid for when the pubs finally open. Between 2009 and 2019..

  • the number of people aged 65 years and over increased by 22.9% to 12.4 million
  • the working age population (those aged 16 to 64 years) increased by 3.2% to 41.7 million, the lowest growth of any age group

You would think that running a country with a national healthcare system, would prepare it for the known winter onslaught. Carl Heneghan, amongst others, warned them what would happen and they have yet again, been proven right.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/mid2019estimates

432219 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #432 of 1532 🔗

the number of people aged 65 years and over increased by 22.9% to 12.4 million

Which is why they have to go; the Regime can’t afford them.

432225 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 6, #433 of 1532 🔗

One of my conclusions from reading this, is that the working age population is loosing it’s ability to cope with this growth.

432232 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #434 of 1532 🔗

In that case if you had lived in Victorian England you would have certainly concluded that the working age population could not cope with the child population and would certainly have opposed the introduction of compulsory education.

432311 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Hayes, #435 of 1532 🔗

Not sure from the above, how I would have been Fagin in those times Lol!

432757 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to PoshPanic, #436 of 1532 🔗

The dependency ratio.

432234 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #437 of 1532 🔗

Let us not be confused by numbers. I am in my 70’s, in very good health, and still working. Just because the government invented a retirement age does not mean people older than that are not physically capable of work. Let those of us who can (and are grateful for it) do.

432333 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basileus, 3, #438 of 1532 🔗

I’m not suggesting that 65 is the golden age to down tools. I have a friend of 55, manual worker, whose body is so broken, that’s it’s becoming impossible. The figure for 75+ was 25%. The point is, that with the age bracket expanding so far out, the care requirements are putting a bigger strain on the system.

432535 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #439 of 1532 🔗

Only because ‘the system’ funds wars, big pharma, and friends of the Cabinet. Without these sort of things, there is plenty for all.

432373 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #440 of 1532 🔗

Inevitably.
When the old-age pension was first brought in, it was expected that most people would live to draw it for a couple of years.Nowadays, it could easily be thirty years. With ever-increasing health problems and an ever-increasing need for expensive care.
Does not compute, but no government has had the courage to spell that out.
A disease that targets the very old is heaven-sent to this government. Or rather, sent from hell, which us their true home..
.

432315 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, 2, #441 of 1532 🔗

yes I’m starting to thing that Covaids has become rather fortuitous for the Junta at the very least

432214 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #442 of 1532 🔗

From the Florida article above:

In September of last year, the Governor of Florida called in an expert team including specialists from Stanford and Harvard Universities to assess whether restrictions had been effective enough to justify their continued use.

I’m surprised the author didn’t actually name the 3 scientists Ron DeSantis took his advice from. They were: Professor Martin Kulldorff , Professor Jay Bhattacharya and Professor Michael Levitt . Two of those eminent gentlemen were main signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration. The third main signatory, Professor Sunetra Gupta , was mentioned many times by DeSantis.

The author suggests mentioning Florida in your writings to your MP. I suggest going one step further: tell your MP Florida chose to follow the GB Declaration, and it worked!

Kulldorf, Bhattacharya and Gupta were right all along, but then we already knew that.

432222 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 15, #443 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know much about DeSantis, he may eat baby dolphins for breakfast for all I know. But this is how a leader acts. Kick out the time wasters and bring in the real fucking experts.

432263 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #444 of 1532 🔗

The quality of this video is not great, but it’s the meeting I refer to above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P3SkTBfGzU

There’s an edited transcript here: https://rationalground.com/governor-desantis-roundtable-experts-advocate-for-normal-life-for-young-people/

It’s very informative; Kulldorff and Bhattacharya really know their stuff, Levitt, too.

432340 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 2, #445 of 1532 🔗

Thanks. It’s also nice to see this discussion, which affects peoples lives, being publicly aired, rather than taken place behind closed doors.

432215 swedenborg, 4, #446 of 1532 🔗

Excellent data from Spain nicely presented from Graefell. Excess mortality and herd immunity reached and virus now in endemic phase.

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2tpilrrg7jgfamd/Excess%20Deaths-20Feb2021.pdf?dl=0

432217 B.F.Finlayson, 18, #447 of 1532 🔗

SAGE 5tth Columnists at it to the bitter end, intent on further crippling UK plc. At worst (using even the incompetent government’s risk averse ‘political careers first’ mindset ) we should be open for business (mask & restriction free) on 21st MARCH not June, schools should be back now; although I have never seen any need to lock down for a bad flu.
As I have predicted time and again here and elsewhere the Covo-Flu infection/deaths graphs would follow previous years’ flu peaks and troughs, and they have. It’s not rocket science. The gradual onset being n November, winter peak being in Jan, before falling off dramatically in Feb . Here is just one source that justifies such confidence:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/762318/PHE_Influenza_Surveillance_graphs_2018_2019_week_49_2018.pdf
And we see PHE and Imperial don’t even admit to these annual patterns, as they habitually advance the onset of the rise and then dramatically exaggerate the quantum impact of Covo-Flu.
Spring is great, and is already here – t o the Stocks with SAGE!! We all need to be out and about breathing in the fresh air, enjoying the weather, and getting some much needed fun and exercise over the upcoming Easter and may Bank holidays. A great time for the bars, outdoor, markets, restaurants and B&Bs around the UK to try and recuperate. Get the buskers and bands and dancers out there too!!!
Spring/early Summer is culturally crucial to Britain, a time of renewal and hope in the glorious month of May. We should not let BoJo and his hideous methane breathing SAGE goblins take this away yet again.
June 21 is way too late. It is the point at which Summer days start getting shorter (it is MID-summer’s day after all, clue there! ). And doubtless before or very soon after that projected point SAGE will aim to be on TV again ‘predicting’ another Covo-Flu spike by advancing and relabelling the usual September school snots to late July (just as it did last year). If so we will be cooped up again, another vacuous BoJo desk thumping promise of freedom conveniently broken, and our short lived liberty cynically curtailed.
SAGE’s utterly oppressive and long discredited GiGo modelling nonsense would have been ignored by earlier and wiser generations. Likewise we need find our collective backbones, then get wise and organise an Easter uprising NOW. Millions of individual acts of micro-rebellion timed to occur over the Easter weekend and subsequent bank holidays would be unstoppable.

432221 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 27, #448 of 1532 🔗

The most sickening part of all this is every day now is being stolen from me.

Florida back to normal/ Sweden back to normal/ South Dakota back to normal/ many US states back to ‘semi-normal’, Brazil normal/ Taiwan normal/ Tanzania normal.

Every fucking day is prescious I only have a finite life I might just croak it tomorrow.

432248 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHUNTZ, 21, #449 of 1532 🔗

That’s exactly how I feel. Every day the bloody same. You start to think “oh, I’ll do such and such …” and then there’s the crushing realisation that the bastards have outlawed everything that’s worthwhile about life, so ‘such and such’ will have to go on the back-burner.

432251 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 12, #450 of 1532 🔗

It’s unbelievable how monotonous this is. I work from home so I go many days seeing absolutely no one. Like you say I had hobbies virtually every night can’t do any now.

432276 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #451 of 1532 🔗

I work from home. The weeks are about the same. But I look forward to the weekends and when I get there I realise (over and over again) they are nothing to look forward to. It’s depressing, monotonous and frustrating. I am ashamed at what we’ve done. 1000 years of a march towards freedom from autocrats, democracy and human rights – thrown away in 1 announcement in March last year.

I hate them so much

432292 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 4, #452 of 1532 🔗

That’s the thing Steve mid week is better than the weekend now. At least my work keeps my mind off things even if I am underperforming.

432323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #453 of 1532 🔗

I was furloughed for a few months last year. I am so glad to be back at work and so sorry for the people that aren’t and want to be

432498 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to steve_w, 1, #454 of 1532 🔗

It must be dreadful for them that want to be back.

432511 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #455 of 1532 🔗

The others are all true, but Brazil normal? Does nobody ever listen around here?

https://www.saopaulo.sp.gov.br/planosp/

Not much different from the Bozo roadmap.

432876 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Sampa, #456 of 1532 🔗

I’m listening and find your Brazil updates useful. Please keep posting!

433051 ▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #457 of 1532 🔗

Thanks, it does get me irritated when I see this posted though.

433210 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Sampa, #458 of 1532 🔗

Sampa, I literally watched people partying on the beach in Rio on youtube recently that’s why I presumed it looked pretty normal. I can’t read that Spanish I am afraid. What is it like?

432224 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #459 of 1532 🔗

I wonder why Belarus receives so little attention? It has refused to introduce the lockdown restrictions that have plagued so many countries across the globe (even to the extent of refusing to accept an IMF bribe to do so).

The experience of Belarus is instructive. In a country of roughly ten million, it has had less than two thousand Covid 19 deaths. That is, two hundred and four per million. Whereas, the United Kingdom, which has had draconian (albeit constantly changing) lockdown measures since March 2020 has had over one hundred and twenty thousand Covid 19 deaths. That is, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-one per million. These figures are the exact opposite of what one would expect if lockdowns worked as their advocates claim(1).

It is obvious why the promoters of lockdowns want to ignore the experience of Belarus, but why do sceptics ignore it?

(1) I wonder what Neil Ferguson’s model would have predicted for Belarus?

432229 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Steve Hayes, #460 of 1532 🔗

I think there is some suspicion of how Belarus presents its figures. Not that it is very clear with any country.

432627 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #461 of 1532 🔗

And the people raising doubts about Belarus’ figures just happen to be lockdown advocates. Hmmm…. No surprise there then.

432236 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #462 of 1532 🔗

But our covid death figures are a great big fucking lie.

432243 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jaguarpig, 5, #463 of 1532 🔗

The advocates of lockdowns (the government, the advisers, the corporate media propagandists) do not admit that the UK Covid 19 death figures are inflated; on the contrary, people like Piers Morgan claim the figures understate the deaths. So they cannot argue that without undermining their own case.

432545 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #464 of 1532 🔗

I look at all of Morgan’s recent pronouncements as a desperate attempt to keep his arse out of jail.

432766 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, #465 of 1532 🔗

One has to wonder how it is that so many people appear to have forgotten about his phone hacking.

432244 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jaguarpig, 11, #466 of 1532 🔗

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This! 100%!

Not only that…

Cases that are not cases!
Infections that are not infections!
Hospital Admissions that are not admissions!
Covid deaths that are not Covid deaths!
A Vaccine that is not a vaccine!

I could go on.

432310 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 1, #467 of 1532 🔗
432309 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #468 of 1532 🔗

It shows that if you ignore the bat cold it kills about as many as the other coronaviruses

432233 megalomaniacs4u, replying to megalomaniacs4u, 1, #469 of 1532 🔗

I see Devi Sridhar is still pushing her daft zero covid:

Professor Devi Sridhar, Chair of Global Public Health at the University of Edinburgh and a Sage member, said: “There’s no reason we have to live with this virus, or even see it as a seasonal flu because we’re seeing with a vaccine as effective as this – a better analogy is probably measles, which is a virus that’s endemic in parts of the world.

“But we don’t accept living with measles here – we vaccinate against it.”

432367 ▶▶ Annie, replying to megalomaniacs4u, 9, #470 of 1532 🔗

We vaccinate against it BECAUSE it’s endemic, you unutterable moron!

432237 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #471 of 1532 🔗

Instagram. Fact checked this and found it false

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1364499098657824769

432246 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Victoria, 2, #472 of 1532 🔗

How can a judgement be factually false?

432265 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #473 of 1532 🔗

Fat check it and it becomes unfalse. All depends what model you use

432347 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, #474 of 1532 🔗

Did he not say that?

432395 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Victoria, 2, #475 of 1532 🔗

Because they know better than Thomas Jefferson..you know,the guy who actually said it. We live in fucking 🤡 world.

432238 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 10, #476 of 1532 🔗

That AIER piece may (may) reflect the situation in the USA, but not here. I haven’t had any sense at all of recognition that the GBD authors are right, or of the harms of lockdown being properly acknowledged. Steve Sieff is right: instead, we’re looking at a road map to dystopia.

432260 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to mattghg, 5, #477 of 1532 🔗

Things including the weather usually take about a week to cross the Atlantic

432262 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, 5, #478 of 1532 🔗

I was encouraged to read it but yes, we are still asleep. I think some of my own family members will not understand how serious this is until I lose my job for refusing a vaccine

432435 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #479 of 1532 🔗

Hugs sent across the ether to you. Stay strong.

432295 ▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, #480 of 1532 🔗

It is coming…

432271 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Victoria, 7, #482 of 1532 🔗

Very good.

Probably needs some people in white coats, seen encouraging people into the pills and surgery queue.

In practice a lot of people (not all) will go for lifestyle change if offered it. You only have to look at the wonderful Dr David Unwin’s (and the Norwood Surgery) brilliant and highly successful work in helping patients to put their diabetes into remission through diet (low carb real food) rather than slightly mitigating diabetic complications through medication to realise that.

432241 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #483 of 1532 🔗

Gove. Head of the vaccine passport implementation committee.

“Will I need a passport to go to the pub”

Gove “No”

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1364493156151136259

432247 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Victoria, 15, #484 of 1532 🔗

Unbelievable, it’s all just psy ops at this stage. Absolute disgrace the pyschological torment they are putting the British people through.

432254 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #485 of 1532 🔗

If it saves just one pub pie

432372 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #486 of 1532 🔗

Totally agree. It’s a scandal that the British Government has run and is still running, a war of terror against its own people. It could take a generation to recover from this.

432266 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 5, #487 of 1532 🔗

I live in th most anti tory part of Northern Ireland. For many reasons taht may not be immediately obvious, and some others which are.

Opposition to this is nowhere to be seen.

432354 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, #488 of 1532 🔗

That means we definitely will then!

432461 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #489 of 1532 🔗

Yes. A way out, so they can say ‘We didn’t want to do it, as we have said previously, but… (insert specious reason justifying them doing what they wanted all along).’

433227 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to jb12, #490 of 1532 🔗

I wouldn’t trust a single word that comes out of their mouths now – any of them – judge them by their actions not their words.

432250 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 16, #491 of 1532 🔗

Ferguson is like the schoolboy who has been found cheating in his exams

“Wasn’t just me Sir, it was all the others too, Jones, Smith, Williams all of them Sir. Sir it was Williams idea in the first place Sir

432290 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 6, #492 of 1532 🔗

The report from America, ATL, has got Ferguslime running scared… he knows the venal politicians will Chuck him under the bus, along with his “friends” when the worm turns and the great unwashed realise they have been conned…

432301 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Cecil B, #493 of 1532 🔗

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432252 Victoria, 10, #494 of 1532 🔗

“We did everything they asked of us, and more. We are exhausted, we’re depressed, and we’re really worried about our children.”

Why are we the first in Europe to vaccinate the public, but last to liberate?

https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1364489260754210817

432329 ▶▶ kate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #496 of 1532 🔗

I have posted above about my response from the Director of Public Health, when shown the data on the spike in care home deaths.
Those tasked with protecting public health are either incompetent or too afraid/without the qualifications to go against the governmental/ Big Pharma line.
Tough for the rest of us.

432366 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #497 of 1532 🔗

( google translate)

The first corona vaccination was done and then the outbreak came: ‘We are very upset about it’

AMERSFOORT – Hope was pinned on the vaccine at the St Elisabeth Nursing and Gasthuis in Amersfoort. On January 30, the residents received their first injection. But two weeks later, the corona virus still raged through the nursing home. Today it was announced that 22 residents have already died in a week.

“With the start of vaccinations, we expected that the infections would decrease, but that did not happen and we are very upset about that”, board member Evelien Bongers told RTV Utrecht. “It is very intense and very intensive. For the residents, for their families and loved ones and for our staff. It is not only heavy because of last week, but also because the virus has been asking a lot of us for so long.”

Elderly people with dementia live in the St Elisabeth Nursing and Gasthuis. It is a very vulnerable group. “These residents need nursing and care. If they become infected with the corona virus, it could be just too much.” Precisely because there is underlying suffering, it cannot in any case be determined with certainty whether the death is a direct consequence of the virus. “These elderly people died from corona, but not necessarily from corona.”

Less infections
Although more deaths cannot be ruled out, the wave of contamination seems to have peaked. At the start of the outbreak, 70 people were infected, now there are 37. 19 residents have also recovered. There are regular tests in the nursing home to keep an eye on the situation.

The number of infections among staff has remained limited. This has not jeopardized the care, but it is extremely difficult for employees to see so many residents disappear in a short period of time. “These people put their heart and soul into their work. They are extremely involved, otherwise you cannot provide good care”, says Bongers.

Togetherness
She is pleased to see that the collegiality is great. “There is a great sense of solidarity within the organization. The staff receive a lot of help and support, also from employees of other departments, which benefits them

432495 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #498 of 1532 🔗

DING! x22

432256 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 19, #499 of 1532 🔗

Lord Sumption, former Supreme Court justice, says Boris Johnson’s planned roadmap out of lockdown is “based on the assumption that human beings are at the disposal of the government.

Watch talkRADIO live ► http:// youtu.be/zc-9k1SbJ_Q

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1364148362216415235

432270 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Victoria, #500 of 1532 🔗

Totalitarianism is a concept [1] [2] for a form of government …..restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. “

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

432598 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Victoria, #501 of 1532 🔗

Both links were dead for me. However, Julia’s entire broadcast for the 23rd is on yt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwtk4f1Wp3I

2hr 40mins in approx.

432264 danny, replying to danny, 24, #502 of 1532 🔗

So a senior member of the cabinet that locked us down today tells is he would “do anything to go to the cinema”, meaning vaccine passports.
As a passionate cinema-goer, I was there up to and including the day they all closed.
Whilst I am utterly opposed to passport schemes full stop, their argument is surely that if somebody is too scared to go to say a chemist, then going without could be dangerous. But why these bastards want it all. Force a vaccine. Force masks. If you are too scared of a deadly pandemic you should probably give the cinema a miss. Let us humans get on with our lives.

432305 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, 5, #503 of 1532 🔗

This is why it is important to forge local contacts
I know my local gym and know I will be able to slip under the radar with a fake vaccine cert drawn in crayon by a 5 year old

432432 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Crystal Decanter, #504 of 1532 🔗

Personally – I’ve got my eye on one particular social venue here that I think may be Awkward B&ggers and, if it comes to it, will go on a night of my choice intending to get in as per normal (ie without a vax certificate – as I’ll never have one) and take the precaution of knowing another social venue locally that won’t pull that stunt on people also has something going on. I can see my nights out might consist of 30 minutes arguing the toss with potential Awkward B&gger venue and getting kicked out, followed by the rest of the evening going to back-up social venue instead – whilst I carry on fighting AB venue to STFU and let us all in as normal.

432268 Victoria, 19, #505 of 1532 🔗

Vallance. Press briefing 10 Feb 21

“If you compare lat flow tests to PCR, you’ll get more positives with PCR, because PCR is very very sensitive,it can pick up very low levels of virus which may not even be infectious…”

The whole fraud exposed, right there.

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1364457954397876224

432269 kate, replying to kate, 4, #506 of 1532 🔗

re. Spike in mortality in January following vaccination in care homes.

Those regulars on here will remember the discussion of the UK medical Freedom Alliance report which had some very troubling findings.

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf

I sent a copy of this to my local councillor who was concerned enough to forward it to the local Director of Public Health.

Here is his response

The paper linked to below notes the recent national increase in deaths in care homes from Covid-19. The paper speculates this might be related to the vaccination roll out. This is incorrect. The increase in deaths in different settings, including care homes, is a result of the massive surge in coronavirus cases seen across the country in December and January. This sadly led to care home outbreaks throughout the country. In addition outbreaks in care homes during this period also resulted in delays in the roll out of vaccination to some homes. It is also worth noting there is a window between the vaccination date and when the individual benefits from protection, and that one vaccination does not provide full immunity.”

“The latest published data on safety and side effects (plus a number of useful links) are here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/latest-monitoring-data-confirms-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines

432277 ▶▶ popo says, replying to kate, 8, #507 of 1532 🔗

there is a window between the vaccination date and when the individual benefits from protection, and that one vaccination does not provide full immunity.”

Code: “We know the vaccine destroys immune systems in the elderly long enough for something else to finish them off. Thanks for reminding us though!”

432300 ▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 5, #508 of 1532 🔗

It is nice to know that the safety of these experimental mRNA pharmaceuticals is being so carefully monitored on our behalf.

I note that our Director of Public Health has his first degree in architecture, so I suppose this equips him to make these pronouncements. Where is the evidence to back up his statement? What evidence has he to dismiss the entire report?

432564 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kate, #509 of 1532 🔗

They don’t need no stinkin’ evidence …

432307 ▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 4, #510 of 1532 🔗

I sent the UKMFA report on the care home deaths to my MP Caroline Lucas. I had to do this on paper, as she has blocked my e-mails and does not respond to me.
However I will let you all know if she shows any concern over what could be medical euthanasia in a helpless population.

432540 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to kate, 2, #511 of 1532 🔗

You’d think so since she was SOOO concerned about crony capitalism…oh of course silly me, the euthanasia is part of the green agenda depopulation. Scratch that

432743 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to kate, #512 of 1532 🔗

If it was purely down to increased numbers of covid deaths in all settings then you would perhaps expect the proportion of covid deaths occurring in care homes to stay constant over time.

While the proportion of non-covid death that took place in care homes remained roughly constant since vaccination started, the proportion of covid deaths that occurred in care homes post vaccination had a steep rise. See the attached chart.

There are a number of possible explanations for this, but this does needs explaining.

It is worth saying that it does appear a significant number of people are testing postive for covid in the immediate weeks following vaccination, which might be because they become more susceptible to infection, because infection enters from the staff doing the vaccinations, or because vaccination causing residents to test positive.

432273 Victoria, 5, #513 of 1532 🔗

70 doctors in Belgium call masks a “major threat” to children’s development. 100 UK health professionals- psychologists, academics and paediatricians- say that masks for children are “not only unnecessary but potentially harmful”.

https://twitter.com/JoannaBlythman/status/1364296597845270534

432274 p02099003, replying to p02099003, -29, #514 of 1532 🔗

I have succumbed to familial pressure and will be having the AstraZeneca vaccine on Friday.

432280 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, 10, #515 of 1532 🔗

Not sure what you want us to say?

432284 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Victoria, 12, #516 of 1532 🔗

goodbye?

432341 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to steve_w, 4, #517 of 1532 🔗

Harsh but dark humour keeps us going.

432359 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #518 of 1532 🔗

🙂

432361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #519 of 1532 🔗

I was going to say ‘give our love to Roy Orbison’

432287 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to p02099003, 10, #520 of 1532 🔗

Ultimately it’s your choice, and at least if you are posting here, you may have had a half chance of being able to make an informed choice, which is more than can be said for most people taking the experimental vaccines.

Hope it goes OK.

432299 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to p02099003, 5, #521 of 1532 🔗

Good luck fren
Let us know how it goes- all we want is choice at the end of the day 🙂

432313 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 10, #522 of 1532 🔗

I make no judgment either way. If you have decided vaccination is the best option for you, then it is the right decision. I have decided that, at this stage, there is nothing like enough reward for me to risk taking an emergency “vaccine” which is also the right decision.

432328 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Will, 12, #523 of 1532 🔗

No judgment from me either. What a sorry state we are in when family members cannot respect each others’ right to make choices about their own health and the hysteria and hatred has been whipped up to the point where it feels impossible for some of us to resist.

432569 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Will, 1, #524 of 1532 🔗

Possibly politically correct, but makes a nonsense of the normal use of the word ‘right’.

You’ll be saying it’s the right decision for someone to drive when pissed, or support Man United, next.

432332 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to p02099003, 3, #525 of 1532 🔗

Why not wait? Surely if they would have any respect for your feelings, it is still a choice.

You’ll soon be accepting the passport then. I wonder if I’ll have the strength.

432337 ▶▶ kate, replying to p02099003, 7, #526 of 1532 🔗

Sorry, but what right do your family have to pressurise you on something to do with your own body and health?

432420 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kate, 1, #527 of 1532 🔗

I wouldn’t have put the word “sorry” in my post. But the rest certainly applies – topped off with “How dare they? How very dare they?”

432345 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to p02099003, 4, #528 of 1532 🔗

If you succumb to this it will not be the end. Will you then take everything these tyrants demand until it does kill you?

432381 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to p02099003, 1, #529 of 1532 🔗

Freedom to choose Is your right but do make sure you have all the facts . about content as well as effects

Eg HEK -293

L-Histidine
L-Histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
Magnesium chloride hexahydrate
Polysorbate 80
Ethanol
Sucrose
Sodium chloride
Disodium edetate dihydrate
Water for injections

432387 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #530 of 1532 🔗

I’m not angry, I’m just disappointed 😔

432398 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to p02099003, 2, #531 of 1532 🔗

Best of luck. Your decision to make.

432410 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to p02099003, 1, #532 of 1532 🔗

Surely not?!!!!! Your body = your choice. They aren’t the ones that will certainly lose their self-respect (for letting themselves get walked over). They aren’t the ones that would have to put up with resultant illness – though they damn sure are the ones that would be called on to be carers for such illness and get burdened with that carer status (cue for them losing income to being a carer/losing free time to being a carer = all of which would serve them right).

432444 ▶▶ jb12, replying to p02099003, 3, #533 of 1532 🔗

Just pretend you have had it if their opinion matters so much.

432449 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to p02099003, 1, #534 of 1532 🔗

Familial pressure? What did they say?

I can’t imagine any of my family members being remotely interested in what vaccinations I have had.

432454 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to p02099003, #535 of 1532 🔗

If I said “Jump in the lake” ?

432469 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, 20, #536 of 1532 🔗

I already feel stressed out with other things going on, and I don’t want this to be the straw that breaks my mental back, however I have convinced my wife that I’ll wait a while longer, so I’ve cancelled the appointment.

432566 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to p02099003, 1, #537 of 1532 🔗

Well done p(n).

Never a good idea to make important decision if under the weather !

433240 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to p02099003, #538 of 1532 🔗

Oh thank goodness!!!

432470 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to p02099003, 3, #539 of 1532 🔗

Your choice of course, but given your medical knowledge, I think it’s a disappointing choice.

Several of my family have urged me to get the jab, especially given how extremely vulnerable to the ‘rona I’m supposed to be. They have been told to “Fuck Off!”

Edit: I posted as you were posting your reply to yourself.

I already feel stressed out with other things going on, and I don’t want this to be the straw that breaks my mental back, however I have convinced my wife that I’ll wait a while longer, so I’ve cancelled the appointment.

Don’t let this destroy you mentally; do what you have to do, do what’s best for you.

Don’t become another statistic, destroyed by these bastards!

432510 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 1, #540 of 1532 🔗

Don’t do it! Blimey, at least wait for a while and see how many more people it kills and who go on to develop strange side-effects in the next year or two.

432607 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, #541 of 1532 🔗

Check the batch numbers and dates tally with the Authorisation for Use certificate on the Government’s website.

Legally these are the only batches they can use.

If they do not let you see this or cannot tell you this they are breaking the law.

432615 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, 1, #542 of 1532 🔗

Take this with you:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

Sections 2 and 4.8 are the main bits.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca/information-for-uk-recipients-on-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

States “ COVID 19 Vaccine AstraZeneca may not protect everyone who is vaccinated from COVID-19. It is not yet known how long people who receive the vaccine will be protected for.”

Section 4 is the bit to read.

432617 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to p02099003, 1, #543 of 1532 🔗

This sounds healthy ingredients:

Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike (S) glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

432635 ▶▶ leggy, replying to p02099003, 1, #544 of 1532 🔗

I’m not going to give you a down tick as I understand. But. What you’re saying is that you are being jabbed under duress and under pressure. That is exactly what is wrong with all this.

432677 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to p02099003, #545 of 1532 🔗

That’s your choice but why did your family have to pressure you?

433235 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to p02099003, #546 of 1532 🔗

There’s still time to change your mind – right up until they get you to roll up your sleeve – what research has your family done to make their application of pressure justified? are they genuinely well informed or have they just swallowed everything the government and MSM have parroted out for the last 6 months?

432285 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #547 of 1532 🔗

I guess I deserve this shite. With the first lockdown last March I didn’t make a fuss. When people said: “don’t give up your freedom, they’ll never give it back!” I laughed at their…paranoia because: the govt would NEVER do that. I was a fucking idiot.

https://twitter.com/Arwenstar/status/1363954200997212175

432577 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #548 of 1532 🔗

I’ve always thought Arwen was a cool lady. We are all stars of course.

I’ll believe she’s repented when her twitter handle is something along the lines of airhead/dickhead/etc.

432296 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #549 of 1532 🔗

I found this, the director of the Blavatnik School who came up with the stringency index.

432579 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #550 of 1532 🔗

… pay good money …

432318 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 13, #552 of 1532 🔗

So, a question for the NHS, similar I suppose to how is it now possible to develop a vaccine in a fraction of the time it normally takes. If a smear test can be now be done at home, why have millions of women been subjected to the indignity of having it done at a doctors’ surgery for so many years.

432747 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, #553 of 1532 🔗

So the doctors can charge a lot of money.

432330 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Victoria, 8, #554 of 1532 🔗

Hancock specifically mentions ‘women’. So presumably those that destroyed Harry Potter merchandise and gave JK Rowling death threats, will be calling for his head? hey I didn’t make the rules, Matt! 🙂

432348 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #555 of 1532 🔗

Always turn woke against itself
Release the Trannies !!!

432452 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #556 of 1532 🔗

Ooooh, ‘People of Cervix’, surely!

432582 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #557 of 1532 🔗

Another small village in western Gaul ? Mates of Asterix surely.

432304 Victoria, 12, #558 of 1532 🔗

Freedom…..

Surreal that normal life now resembles a dream created in a writers head and turned into a Hollywood movie.

A reminder of how quickly our perceptions can change and of how fragile freedom is, if not properly maintained.

Reagan was right.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1364307904199802880

432308 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #559 of 1532 🔗

I’ve no idea who made this wee video , but it’s bloody funny.

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1364226599957061633

432336 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 5, #560 of 1532 🔗

We have parasols that double as umbrellas! Last year I was astounded (and grateful) as to how many people were actually willing to sit out in the pouring rain for a bit of ‘normality’.

432339 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 3, #561 of 1532 🔗

Love the hand sanitiser bit. 😀

432312 kate, replying to kate, 6, #562 of 1532 🔗

With no data showing COVID vaccines are safe for pregnant women, and despite reports of miscarriages among women who have received the experimental Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, Fauci and other health officials advise pregnant women to get the vaccine.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/health-officials-push-pregnant-women-covid-vaccine/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=993ad388-46a7-4e1b-a0d2-c184827e4cd2

432319 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kate, #563 of 1532 🔗

Great article

432320 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to kate, 5, #564 of 1532 🔗

Whitty also claimed a couple of weeks ago it was safe for pregnant women – life is now cheap, we are merely at the disposal of our government, if we let them.

432355 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Hattie, 1, #565 of 1532 🔗

I wonder how he knows?

432324 ▶▶ Will, replying to kate, 3, #566 of 1532 🔗

Has a woman conceived and given birth to a child after being vaccinated?

432356 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Will, 8, #567 of 1532 🔗

Not unless the gestation period has been shortened by the Magic Gunk.

432314 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #568 of 1532 🔗

I look forward to the day when prospective employers Google potential recruits to screen out lockdown supporters.

432325 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #569 of 1532 🔗

Won’t be far off. According to friends in the US, some employers for years, have made it a condition that you hand over your passwords for digital accounts, certainly social media. I don’t know if this practice is necessarily widespread, but it happens. There’s also lending companies that take into account your social media friends and character traits – literally a social credit system.

432351 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #570 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know if this practice is necessarily widespread, but it happens.

Yes, this does happen, as you say. I won’t name names, but I have worked with/for companies who do this.

432401 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #571 of 1532 🔗

WOW! Didn’t know that!!!! That is outrageous. I presume they have alternate identities on their own private Internet stuff – but it’s outrageous to have to do so. I know I had an intrusive employer and so, when I got a computer a few years before retirement, I selected an alternate name to use on Facebook just-in-case. But it must represent rather more work to have 2 sets of everything and with different passwords for them – 1 “real” set with a “real” password for it and one “fake” set with a different password for it each time.

432587 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to ElizaP, #572 of 1532 🔗

It’s a regular question that is asked on the Reddit Privacy sub-reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy

Mostly US posters asking, for example, “Can my prospective employer ask/force me to hand over Facebook/Twitter data?”

432753 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to ElizaP, #573 of 1532 🔗

I went on FB after a holiday with people from all over the world and we wanted to share photos that way. We had an American lawyer who intended to go into local politics, so she was very careful, never wanted to be photographed with even a beer in her hand etc. She had an invitation only FB, and that is what I have.

432457 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #574 of 1532 🔗

Yes it happens. Some of these people make Al Capone look like a respectable employer.

432326 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #575 of 1532 🔗

Hospitals in France forced to SLOW DOWN covid vaccinations as healthcare workers fall ill in droves

France considers slowing vaccine rollout for hospital staff, with many unable to work following jab

The AstraZeneca experimental COVID-19 vaccine currently being given to health workers in France has caused so many side-effects that the French vaccination task force ( Conseil d’orientation de la stratégie vaccinale ) has recommended “a staggering of the vaccination schedule for people working in the same care unit” as well as “the systematic intake of paracetamol just before the injection and in the two following days.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/france-considers-slowing-vaccine-rollout-for-hospital-staff-with-many-unable-to-work-following-jab?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard

432343 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 3, #576 of 1532 🔗

We need a world call in sick movement
lets get as many vaccine savvy NHS/Civil service/Council employees with comfy sick packages off work for 6 months (or more) until this nonsense ends
Always hit the state in the pocket

432362 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #577 of 1532 🔗

Trouble is – those subsidising ”the state” will just keep pouring money in. I think we have an idea who they are.

432364 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, #578 of 1532 🔗

Same in Italy
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dozens-of-italian-teachers-report-in-sick-after-taking-astrazeneca-vaccine

And in Braunschweig and Dortmund in Germany among hospital workers

432414 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #579 of 1532 🔗

Got to despair at the quote

“and on the bright side it shows that the immune system is reacting to the vaccine”

The immune system is reacting so well in some people that they die

432331 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #581 of 1532 🔗

How to keep the masses in their place / keep them stupid

Bill Gates bankrolling educational organization that says math is racist

https://summit.news/2021/02/19/bill-gates-bankrolling-educational-organization-that-says-math-is-racist/

432346 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Victoria, 9, #582 of 1532 🔗

Gates is living proof of the fact that being stupid is no barrier to making billions.

432451 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #583 of 1532 🔗

No point in calling people stupid – in facts its a dangerous underestimation. He is highly intelligent and completely ruthless.

432377 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 2, #584 of 1532 🔗

It’s 10 minutes, but it’s quite funny.

Alternative Math | Short Film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh3Yz3PiXZw

432344 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 29, #585 of 1532 🔗

German newspaper touts mandatory vaccination as the refusniks are not in their right mind

https://twitter.com/goddeketal/status/1363963135095414790

This is total dystopia. Yes, you may see vaccination as the saviour. Some of the Dutch, German, Irish, Scottish, English, American and Spanish care home residents who died after vaccination may beg to differ.

However, to believe that those who disagree are mentally ill? Why not just advocate for extermination then, for surely they are just a drain on society. Get rid, and humanity can march on to greatness.

The undertones of such statements are pure evil.

432353 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #586 of 1532 🔗

They’ve got previous.

432360 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #587 of 1532 🔗

Along with only one doctor’s signature being required here to authorise someone being sectioned. And still the majority don’t get what sinister times we live in

432384 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 7, #588 of 1532 🔗

This is a matter of concern. It is well-known that trolls do have a habit of popping up calling someone they disagree with mentally ill. I’ve certainly had that comment thrown at me by said trolls more than once on various Facebook groups/forums/etc. I think I’d know if I had any mental illness by now – given that I’m in my 60’s and well aware I’m 101% mentally sane/always have been. But it is worrying wondering whether any of these characters might be able to stick that sort of label even on people as mentally healthy as myself – just because they have a different viewpoint.

432411 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to ElizaP, 2, #589 of 1532 🔗

Sadly, it’s a well-worn term of abuse levelled at people who are spirited. Happened with my mum: she ended up on the most evil cocktail of psychotropic drugs. All predicated on her being ‘mentally ill’ which she most certainly wasn’t.

433260 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to kh1485, 1, #590 of 1532 🔗

People are now far too infantilised and dependant. Our health is our responsibility.

432380 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #591 of 1532 🔗

Good lord, is it that time of the century again?

This is what happens when people think governments should be responsible for solving all of their problems. It’s pathetic.

432400 ▶▶ kate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #592 of 1532 🔗

I used to work for a disability charity for people with Chronic fatigue syndrome (also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis)

Over the years I realised that many of our members were vaccine injured. The following medical research paper makes clear the damage that aluminium adjuvanted vaccines can do.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31059838/

Many of our young patients died. Some were suicides, they could not live with the continued illness and social stigma.
The UK government worked hard to stigmatise these young people on behalf of its paymasters, the Pharma multinationals.

I now realise that those in power have no concern for their own people, even the young.

I can see the same programme being implemented against those who will not take the coronavirus pharmaceuticals.

These lies about vaccine injuries have been going on for forty years.

432764 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kate, 2, #593 of 1532 🔗

Ch4 had a report about “long covid” last week. I watched it. How many times did I shout at the screen: It is post viral syndrome! Nothing new!
30 years ago I knew a lady who had what she called ME. Took 6 months to be diagnosed. Do not know the cause, as it was still quite a new disease then.

432552 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #594 of 1532 🔗

The holy vax of scientism is the new religion for those who find the traditional faiths a bunch of hokum.

432349 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 41, #595 of 1532 🔗

A comment after a ”vaccine” article on Sky News Australia:

If a single case of covid can shut down an entire state then ANY vaccine injury should shut down all vaccine programs.

432445 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Banjones, 1, #596 of 1532 🔗

Excellent

432350 kh1485, 6, #597 of 1532 🔗

I wish this guy was in charge of the police. It’s a reminder to them of who they serve:

https://youtu.be/SUH5n2gRjWY

432352 Professor Marvel, replying to Professor Marvel, 35, #598 of 1532 🔗

This is probably a familiar problem for seasoned users here, but humour me…

Neil Ferguson is quoting that 120k deaths figure again. That figure is very difficult to arrive at. You can just about get there if you assume this would otherwise have been a very quiet year AND discount the recent demographic and healthcare trends. Doing so is wishing away very serious social issues which governments could very usefully sink large sums into solving (but presumably will struggle to do so, given recent expenditure).

Over inflating the data causes people to assume this is more a death problem than a health care issue (because it makes comparatively cheap healthcare policies look ineffective). Inaccurate data blurs the distinction between science and policy, irrespective of the motives.

This applies whether you’re looking forward, or learning from the past.

What am misunderstanding?

432404 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Professor Marvel, 80, #599 of 1532 🔗

120K spread over 2 seasons…..70 K die each year from flu-pneum-resp or 140 K total….flu started to ‘disappear’ from the data 2nd week of April 2020 (I analysed their published records, which are utter horse shit in quality).

So the 120 K is out of context. Death rate is still 1/1000 as it has always been. No change to the death rate. Ergo no pandemic.

Maybe Fergutard can ‘model’ an answer to this: why did flu disappear (retard will say diapers, LDs etc), but Rona keep on accelerating? Rona is a flu. It spreads as any flu spreads……and this is where the retards invoke the evolutionary-gods of ‘variants’, ‘asymptomatic’ and other non-science.

The retards running this country are not scientists, data experts or even doctors. They are fucking professors and political hacks.

432419 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to FerdIII, 17, #600 of 1532 🔗

If flu disappeared because of masks/lockdown etc as well as ‘covid’ the yearly deaths should be way down and they are about the same

432460 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to DanClarke, 11, #601 of 1532 🔗

According to the WHO flue virtually dissapeared by Wk 16 2020, far too early for lockdowns, masks etc to have an effect.

https://www.who.int/influenza/gisrs_laboratory/updates/summaryreport/en/

433334 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 1, #602 of 1532 🔗

According to the Independent Public Health England have not detected a single case.of flu in Jan Feb this year.

432489 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 17, #603 of 1532 🔗

Thanks for confirming that, maths isn’t my strong point! I don’t know how long it is going to take for people to realise they’ve been scammed, but I hope its soon.

432756 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FerdIII, 8, #604 of 1532 🔗

How about totally corrupt, as well as retarded.

432971 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FerdIII, 7, #605 of 1532 🔗

Can’t you get the words ”greedy”, ”self-serving” and ”arrogant” in there?

It’s the lack of experience and qualification of Madge Halfcock that really appals me. He’s a HEALTH Secretary, for crying out loud. What part of the word ”health” didn’t Johnson understand?

432437 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Professor Marvel, 25, #606 of 1532 🔗
  • One massive factor in counting deaths is the longest standing problem – namely that we will never know the role of SARS > Covid in deaths. Anything can only be an estimate – and it isn’t 120,000+
432657 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, 26, #607 of 1532 🔗

.

432692 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Nessimmersion, 15, #608 of 1532 🔗

Keep the baa’s closed it might save ewe.

432712 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Old Bill, 1, #609 of 1532 🔗

😁

432800 ▶▶▶ Professor Marvel, replying to RickH, 4, #610 of 1532 🔗

Agreed. There are a whole host of metrics used in normal times to better understand the causes of deaths. The ’28 day’ and ‘covid registration’ measures are bound to include changeable structural bias. Validating those measures against total death registrations and recent trends should be standard practice – if it were just ‘science’.

432477 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Professor Marvel, 14, #611 of 1532 🔗

I don’t understand why this is a sticky thread, can ‘prof marvel’ please remove?

432480 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to peyrole, 3, #612 of 1532 🔗

I posted at the same time. 🙂

432806 ▶▶▶ Professor Marvel, replying to peyrole, 2, #613 of 1532 🔗

Nor do I. Not sure what I can do about that, sorry.

432478 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Professor Marvel, 13, #614 of 1532 🔗

Hey Mr Moderator: Why is this pinned? Can the pin be removed, please.

432546 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Professor Marvel, 8, #615 of 1532 🔗

Didn’t he say in first lockdown 500k deaths and mass graves would be required?

432725 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Professor Marvel, 17, #616 of 1532 🔗

The 120K will included a large number of deaths of very elderly and frail people caused by the vaccine. I think it is becoming increasingly known now that having the Covid vaccine, well certainly the Pfizer one (not sure about AZ), can trigger a positive Covid result. I think it could be as much as 20-30K – because we had very high death rates in the weeks after the most vulnerable were vaccinated (odd – they should have been declining sharply if the vaccine was protecting people). Of course the Government, the MSM, Big Pharma and NHS will do everything in their power to deny and suppress this truth, if truth it is.One thing I would say is I have never heard Pfizer deny that the Covid vaccine can trigger a positive Covid test. They certainly have admitted it can produce Covid-like symptoms.

432807 ▶▶ Edumacated eejit, replying to Professor Marvel, 27, #617 of 1532 🔗

Hang on a minute! If you in effect shut down the public AND private health systems for a year, of course there will be many, many excess deaths! And because MPs, GPs, SAGE, PHE, NHS, etc are trying to minimise the likelihood of criminal prosecutions, as many as possible fatalities are being falsely labelled Cd19.

432853 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Professor Marvel, -30, #618 of 1532 🔗

“(but presumably will struggle to do so, given recent expenditure).”

There is never any struggle to do so – other than garnering the political will. You solve problems with people, and thanks to lockdown there are plenty of spare people around – and pretty solid proof that what they were doing previously added little real world value to the country (we are all still fed and watered after all).

432855 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lucan Grey, 29, #619 of 1532 🔗

So those of us with small businesses are acceptable collateral damage are we?

432930 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 25, #620 of 1532 🔗

what they were doing previously added little real world value to the country (we are all still fed and watered after all)

There’s a lot more to life than feeding and watering, and one man’s “real world value” is different to another’s. There are keen customers for all kinds of things that many consider frivolous, and you also need to consider that people who provide those things might enjoy doing so and find meaning in their lives. Millions of people’s working and consuming lives have been destroyed by our wicked leaders. You can go and be a “spare person” if you want, and give whatever meaningful, “valuable in the real world” job you do to someone who has lost theirs.

433022 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, 13, #621 of 1532 🔗

We are still fed and watered for now.This is all sustained by government funny money and is only providing a basic living for millions and is unsustainable.By your reasoning anyone who has been made forcibly unemployed wasn’t doing anything worthwhile.They were providing for themselves and family and weren’t a burden on anyone else.

433264 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #622 of 1532 🔗

All leaking buckets eventually hold no water. If you think that the government, having got us into this bloody awful mess for no good reason, now has a masterplan to get us out, then I actually fear for your sanity. Of course you could just be from 77th Brigade, I hear their squaddies are big on nonsense.

433395 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #623 of 1532 🔗

If they wee adding ‘little real world value’, then why did they have income?

Were those paying for their services paying for nothing?

If they were paying for nothing, then how were they fooled for so long?

432864 ▶▶ Occamsrazor, replying to Professor Marvel, 3, #624 of 1532 🔗

You’re not misunderstanding!

432925 ▶▶ Allen, replying to Professor Marvel, 73, #625 of 1532 🔗

Here is your answer drawing from two papers that analyzed the 2020 mortality rates in the UK. The first one listed is quite short with the second article much longer. Here are the two articles :

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/01/30/investigation-100k-covid-deaths/

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

My Summary- Highlighting what I believe to be the most salient points from the first piece as we look towards a similar assessment for the United States:

– C omparing the death rate of 2020 with previous 20 years. 2020 rate was 1,037/100,000 in the UK. Highest in 10 years but not the highest in the last 20 years. What happened?

2008 had a death rate of 1,084/100,000. 2005 had 1,137/100,000. Every year prior to 2009 had a higher death rate that 2020;

– UK Lockdown was towards end of March in 2020;

At home deaths began to escalate in April .  5 year avg. for deaths in April previous to 2020 was 9,384 . In April 2020 there were 16,909 at home deaths;

– 5 year average for deaths in care homes in April was 8,691 . In April 2020 there were 26,541 deaths that occurred in care homes . Astronomical increase;

Hospital data for April 2017- 2020 :

April-June 2017 91,724 beds occupied= 89% occupancy rate;

April-June 2018 91,056 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;

April-June 2019 91,730 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;

April-June 2020 58,005 beds occupied= 62% occupancy rate.

2018 – April – 1,984,369 attended A&E (Ambulance and Emergency)
2019 – April 2,112,165 attended A&E
2020 – April – 916,581 attended A&E

Important Notes:

30% less hospital beds occupied in April – June 2020 compared with previous 3 years;

A&E in April 2020 was 57% down from 2019.

These numbers explain the high numbers of at home deaths.

Increase in deaths occurring at home and in care homes in April 2020 due to not being treated for illnesses in hospital. No acute care in private homes or care homes.

CAUSE OF DEATHS USING DECEMBER 2020 AS EXAMPLE:

– Leading cause of death was stated as “Covid-19 deaths”= 10,973 deaths for December 2020;

2nd leading cause of death in December 2020- Dementia and Alzheimer’s= 5281 deaths;

Previous 5 year average for December= 28,198 deaths due to Dementia and Alzheimer’s ;

This is a 500%+ alteration from previous 5 years. A statistical impossibility.

– Heart disease deaths in December 2020= 4,635

December 5 year average , 21,997

This represents a near 500% statistical deviation from previous 5 year average- also not possible.

– Chronic lower respiratory disease deaths December 2020= 1,790

December 5 year average, 13,384 .

This represents about a 700% detour from the 5 year average. Not possible.

– Influenza and pneumonia deaths December 2020, 1,190

December 5 year average= 11,295.

This represents about a 1000% deviation from the 5 year average. What is left to say?

And so on…. tables are included with the first article.

It seems it would take quite a monumental argument to prove that these death certificates have not been manipulated. It would take an even grander argument to illustrate that the NHS was under pressure at any time as during the height of the “pandemic” at home deaths soared to record heights and hospital and emergency services sunk to all-time lows.

433039 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Allen, 16, #626 of 1532 🔗

The only people under pressure at all would have been undertakers, and even then it was only May really.

Your analysis is excellent. It reads like many analyses we saw post POTUS election, which, to the layman delivered plenty of statistical evidence of fraud. Anomolies that could not be discounted by process or some unforseen force. And that was buried. Even this week they rejected a case from the PA party on fraud, a very solid one (the Party not Trump submission). They said the election was over so the case was moot.

I fear the same here. Any solid analysis which goes against the narrative will be brushed off as a pointless exercise and dragging up the past. It was a pandemic, mistakes were made, lessons learned.

However I only want to live in a world where Hancock is in jail, so I remain hopeful, because its all I have right now.

433468 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #627 of 1532 🔗

Anecdotally I can confirm viz funeral directors (cousin). They’ve had many relatives demanding that Covid be removed from the death cert as 1) that isn’t what they died of and 2) they were denied access to the body they would normally have because of C19 being (inaccurately identified) on the death cert.

433097 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Allen, 6, #628 of 1532 🔗

These stats are absolutely shocking!

433106 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Allen, 11, #629 of 1532 🔗

This is one of the best summaries I’ve read. Well played.

433109 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Allen, 7, #630 of 1532 🔗

Phenomenal analysis, thank you

433143 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Allen, 9, #631 of 1532 🔗

Great job. I will copy this and use it to smack people round the head with.

433186 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Allen, 6, #632 of 1532 🔗

Very good analysis, proves what we’ve all suspected all along doesn’t it.

433191 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Allen, 4, #633 of 1532 🔗

Brilliant post. Can I nick salient points and use on Twitter sharing the ASH link?

433481 ▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to HoMojo, #634 of 1532 🔗

Yes, of course.

433205 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Allen, 6, #635 of 1532 🔗

Brilliant

433318 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Allen, 1, #636 of 1532 🔗

A very impressive collation.

433336 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Allen, 1, #637 of 1532 🔗

And hardly any of those ‘at home’ deaths had anythung to do with covid, I think the number is approx 5,000.

432964 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Professor Marvel, 36, #638 of 1532 🔗

You’re misunderstanding poor Neil. Hi, Neil, if you’re reading this. You don’t mind me calling you Neil, do you? The passive aggressive use of first names to total strangers is very 2021, don’t you think, Neil? Neil wants you to know that he’s the messenger and please don’t shoot him. He’s a completely objective scientist with no personal or professional interest in anything he calculates. Therefore everything he says is “credible and true.” And everything anyone says in disagreement with him is unscientific.

Arguing with Neil is like arguing with time. It’s just not worth it. Simply accept what he says, let him collect his fat cheque and get back in your plebeian gutter where you belong.

433155 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Professor Marvel, 2, #639 of 1532 🔗

Is THIS professor pantsdown?

432357 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 27, #640 of 1532 🔗

There’s an argument going on below about whether ‘we’ are to blame for not putting a stop to this insanity – for not ‘nipping it in the bud’

It’s starting to sound dangerously like ‘ The People’s Front of Judea’ argument.

My partner and I have been involved right from the start of the first lockdown. We attended meetings of 50+ in a local venue, illegally. We went on the first three demos/marches in London, including the infamous TSG one. I have argued face to face with coppers (as amicably as possible -mostly) Frankly they were frightened. Hence the bluster. It could have changed then, with proper leadership.

It’s been a mess ever since. The local groups turned into 5G fanatics and something to do with children’s gall bladders. I think. They’re arguing on Telegram this morning.

My argument all along was, we may not make much difference but all we can do as individuals against the state is turn up and be counted. This we did/do. I wish we could have been part of an uprising, but the sheeple had very good government collies keeping them penned. My conscience is clear. If I can do more usefully, I will. I will NOT give up in the absence of any political leadership from the centre. Where are they all? There was nothing to coalesce around so nothing big happened.

It’s when the pretend politicians come out from their Anderson shelters, remove their tin hats and say you should have listened to me that I will start throwing things at THEM. They were nowhere to be seen when it mattered. I name no names.

This WILL happen again unless we change the way we are governed. I’m too old & knackered, but politics abhors a vacuum, I’ll support anybody who sets out on the long road to a new Magna Carta. I’ll just need to look them straight in the eyes first.

432448 ▶▶ Still Got It, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #641 of 1532 🔗

My local Telegram group is also bloody useless – they talk about demons A LOT.

432499 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #642 of 1532 🔗

Good words. How could a tiny minority have nipped it in the bud. Being a sceptic back then, was a pretty lonely existence.

433250 ▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to PoshPanic, #643 of 1532 🔗

it still is in my neck of the woods

432502 ▶▶ RickH, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #644 of 1532 🔗

Thanks for the observation.

The Judaean politics is always a possible self-harm in these situations, and plays straight into the hands of 77th Brigade – who only need to stand back and chuckle. It’s the reason that I get pissed off with sectarian diversions here, whether its 5G, climate change or Trump. They detract from what are massive, unifying issues around the central shit-show.

432358 Les Tricoteuses, 8, #645 of 1532 🔗

Newest roadmap

432363 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #646 of 1532 🔗

Very quiet work day today – companies and the normal NHS and military departments we work for seem to be just basically shut down for last week and even quieter this week so no stuff to courier – so just mooching.

Been playing around with the shadow site of this one https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm which is really easy to search especially comments.

Been looking at some of the ones from the first few months, really interesting what was predicted and what subsequently transpired.

Who was there, who has left never to return, who is still commenting and so on there as well with site stats at the bottom of every page.

This site seems to be a really good snapshot of the insanity that has ahppened the past yeara nd who was pushing abck etc.

Brilliant to have been part of it.

432772 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, #647 of 1532 🔗

Hear, hear for Baffled Cow to put the site up.
Miss her postings, especially the posters, but probably busy with the children.

432365 Julian, 4, #648 of 1532 🔗

https://www.hartgroup.org/covid-19-bulletin/

A clear, concise bulletin – not a bad place to point a burgeoning sceptic

432368 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #649 of 1532 🔗

According to Boris Johnson, all coronavirus restrictions will be rescinded on 21 June 2021. I suspect that this is no more reliable that his three weeks to flatten the sombrero.

432385 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #650 of 1532 🔗

Rescinded at the summer solstice. To be reinstated just in time for the new school year in September….ramped up by treble for the winter solstice (virgin sacrifice and smoking medicinal pot encouraged at the solstice rituals, of course, diapers and distancing are mandatory….)

432392 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #651 of 1532 🔗

And when is it the G7 summit starts…. 🤔

432413 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #652 of 1532 🔗

Just a coincidence surely.

The toadmap is a distraction as is the Vax passport. The plebs will settle for continual testing and crypto currency to avoid Vax passports.

By June 18 months of continual mind control will render the plebs brains to mush and they will settle for whatever false normal they are given.

It has to be NO to everything, no t&t, no big V, no SD, no face smothering, no testing.

433255 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to stefarm, #653 of 1532 🔗

couldn’t agree more – it isn’t enough to “come out of lockdown” – what matters is the way we come out of lockdown – we are still very much in it if we have to mask, SD, test, etc and there is NO WAY we are out of it if it is done via a vaxx passport for domestic use.

432438 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #654 of 1532 🔗

“Brexit by 31/10/2019 – do or die.” Didn’t ‘do’, didn’t ‘die’.

432464 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #655 of 1532 🔗

Well it is his birthday weekend after all – Nut Nuts needs a 🎉 …..answers on a postcard

432399 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to nickbowes, 5, #657 of 1532 🔗

Dr Mike Tildesley, a professor of infectious disease modelling at the University of Warwick and a member of the UK government’s SPI-M advisory group , said…

Stopped reading at that point.

432370 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #658 of 1532 🔗

I am really surprised that the “no win, no fee” medical incompetence lawyers haven’t yet started a major advertising campaign for those who feel that they were misdiagnosed by the NHS in the last year as having covid-19, having completely failed to look beyond that lazy diagnosis based on a single test for the true cause of illness.

432389 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #659 of 1532 🔗

I’m surprised that they are not advertising for clients who have suffered psychological trauma through the adverts etc

432376 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 22, #660 of 1532 🔗

This country, its MPs, its deep state, its Fake Media is a fucking embarrassment.

We have 45K or more dead from Lockdowns in the UK. No Fake News, No MPs screaming in Parliament. Nothing.

We have 300 dead from the Vaxx’s and thousands injured. Nothing. Yet these assholes will shut down an entire country on ‘cases’ and ‘false positives’ or some stupidity like R numbers.

We were told that the Magic Vaxx fairy was our freedom. Now we are told to diaper up and distance probably forever. Nothing in Fat Doris’ treasure map on ending the Diaper fascism. No science to the diapers, zip.

I fully expect LD 4 to happen here in the UK come Fall 2021. Variants and other B.S used as excuses.

Riddle me this: 95% of 75 + seniors were vaxx’d by Jan 2021. Yet in Feb 2021 we still have (fake data?) 11.000 dying from the Rona….

….so who is dying and why if the vaxx is so wonderful, or are the ‘scientists’ telling stupid little me that the 5% unvaxxed are the only ones dying now (show me the proof of this…statistically impossible), and if that is not true, than logically, there are problems with the RNA experimental drug (it is not a Vaxx is it?)…..Fake News, Fake SAGE, Fake Tech say?

And of course the assholes are clamouring for fake Vaxx ID passports….beggars fucking belief.

432433 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 1, #661 of 1532 🔗

The 2,000 deaths a day from Warwick is similarly daft. Almost all will be vaxxed, but non vaxxed will die in numbers not seen last year? It’s absolutely mind numbing to try and work that through.

432378 greater london council, #662 of 1532 🔗

brilliant video. shared accordingly

432391 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #664 of 1532 🔗

‘Mordechai begins his broadcast by reading the names of 28 people who have died following the Pfizer experimental COVID mRNA injections. The list begins with some elderly Rabbis, but also includes young people who reportedly had no existing health problems and died suddenly, including a 25-year-old woman.’

The government will blame Rona. Not the vaxx poison.

432428 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 4, #665 of 1532 🔗

Of course. The cover rona gives for everything they wish to portray is astonishing.

432491 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #666 of 1532 🔗

As Lisa formerly from Toronto wrote on here last night:

“vaccines are the leading cause of coincidences.”

432486 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #667 of 1532 🔗

The problem is that the source of this story isn’t convincing – it uses the same techniques as the BBC on the other side.

We really could do with some forensic and contextual analysis.

432560 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to RickH, 2, #668 of 1532 🔗

But who would do the analysis? I can’t see anyone in any sort of official position being willing to stick their hand in that particular hornet’s nest. The best we can get is analysis from independent sources that the sheep will inevitably label as “cranks”.

http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?p=276314

432386 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 4, #669 of 1532 🔗
432397 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to arfurmo, 4, #670 of 1532 🔗
432427 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 2, #671 of 1532 🔗

Looks like Dave is suggesting everyone take that 4th Step to Heaven.

432436 ▶▶ mj, replying to arfurmo, 3, #672 of 1532 🔗

Shoddywoddy. discography includes
“I wonder why”
“Heartbeat” – that disappeared
“Three steps to heaven” Step 1 – you find a girl to vax you………….
“A little bit of soap” – will stop your hands coming out in eczema from sprays..
“Remember when” — life was normal and we were not all prisoners
“you got what it takes” to give you post vaccine side effects
“do wah diddy”. It seems you got the side effects. you might be able to speak again tomorrow
etc

432590 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mj, 1, #673 of 1532 🔗

👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

432396 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #674 of 1532 🔗

looks like Sweden is back to normal

432421 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 3, #675 of 1532 🔗

Sweden: A total of 143 Covid ‘deaths’ in people under 50 out of a total of 12,713 (that’s 1.12%). Population: 10.1 million.

Source: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa/page/page_0/

Still we get told, “Sweden got it wrong.”

432434 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 9, #676 of 1532 🔗

Sweden got it right by any metric you could consider. They followed the plan. And they preserved their freedoms and rights – hard to cost that

432476 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 3, #677 of 1532 🔗

The one remark that I would make is that the 2015-19 baseline is an anomalous short period of exceptionally low mortality, and that the trend of the curve that includes that period suggests a probable return to higher levels in 2020 and beyond.

Many of the lockdown enthusiasts’ assumptions re. ‘excess deaths’ depend upon the anomaly rather than a realistic baseline and trend.

432509 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 1, #678 of 1532 🔗

yes. ‘if’ one wants to compare all cause deaths with a baseline, you also need to know the standard deviation – you will always be above or below – but how much is the issue. An SD would need to be calculated over 20 years+

432585 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to steve_w, #679 of 1532 🔗

Yes- you and Rick, I mean. Article a few days ago on the BBC website, creating a misleading impression of excess mortality by the type of selective omissions you’re pointing out. I’ve been saying for years that Statistics should be a part of the Core Curruculum up to GCSE- it would produce citizens savvy enough to interrogate the lies and snake-oil they’re marinaded in in a modern consumerist society. I think the last twelve months have shown why this will never happen- the people are quite acceptable to Sir Humphrey exactly as they are now.

432402 swedenborg, 13, #680 of 1532 🔗

Another interesting article from Schachtel.Maskwearing, SD post vaccine is creating a backlash in the US.One step too far in Project fear?
 https://dossier.substack.com/p/signs-of-life-are-the-masses-awakening?r=6a3x3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter Signs of life: are the masses awakening from COVID psychosis? The vaccine rug pull attempt is not going as smoothly as expected.

432403 kate, replying to kate, 31, #681 of 1532 🔗

I used to work for a disability charity for people with Chronic fatigue syndrome (also known as myalgic encephalomyelitis)
Over the years I realised that many of our members were vaccine injured. The following medical research paper makes clear the damage that aluminium adjuvanted vaccines can do.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31059838/
Many of our young patients died. Some were suicides, they could not live with the continued illness and social stigma.
The UK government worked hard to stigmatise these young people on behalf of its paymasters, the Pharma multinationals.
I now realise that those in power have no concern for their own people, even the young.
I can see the same programme being implemented against those who will not take the coronavirus pharmaceuticals.
These lies about vaccine injuries have been going on for forty years.

432409 ▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 11, #682 of 1532 🔗

The researchers involved in the work that elucidated the connection between vaccines and these diseases had their funding blocked despite their protests and despite the gravity of their findings.

432415 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 12, #683 of 1532 🔗

What is going on now – the monstrous lies, the total disregard for human health, is nothing new.

432424 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kate, 6, #684 of 1532 🔗

I said last night that maybe this is the battle that needs to happen. There is case in NYC which is asking that the importance of choice be held up and that the usefulness of vaccines be acknowledged.

https://informedconsentdefense.org/

However read their case. They want to acknowledge it with clear controls, vaccinated vs unvaccinated, and recognition of the studies which show that while they help, they cannot be said to be the only solution. Efficacy says nothing about safety and we need to hold that up to the light.

432426 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 3, #685 of 1532 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syabv4Vsrpg&ab_channel=RadioAutismo
Here is an interview with the good professor.

432658 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to kate, 2, #686 of 1532 🔗

plague-of-corruption by judy mikovits is a good read on this subject.

432985 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to VickyA, #687 of 1532 🔗

I’ve met Judy Mikovits, by the way!

432406 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #688 of 1532 🔗

does anyone have a link to Fergson’s midsummer peak prediction?

432416 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #689 of 1532 🔗

I can’t find on Imperial website – I suspect its something Whitty pulled out for a presser

432530 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to steve_w, 1, #690 of 1532 🔗

Midsummer peak?

For seasonal flu?

Ffs they’re just taking the piss now.

432616 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 1, #692 of 1532 🔗

bingo – thanks! I’ll repost the graph up top

432408 davews, replying to davews, 6, #693 of 1532 🔗

As we approach the anniversary of all this in the UK…. Early last March I attended, as I do every year, Daffodil Day held at Methodist Central Hall, preceded by one of my round London walks which included lunch at the British Museum (which the published walk went straight through). Fairly low attendance because of people already getting scared off travelling. Saturday next week would have been this year’s event, of course that will no longer happen. All public events and the public Wesley Cafe in the basement have been off limits ever since and the Sunday worship service in the huge hall upstairs are still only online affairs. But it does seem that the conference side (which includes some government related things) is open for business.

I would predict that even if Daffodil Day 2022 does take place it will be a socially distanced masked nightmare, something I would have to refuse to attend.

Sobering thoughts.

432939 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to davews, 3, #694 of 1532 🔗

Sadly I took the decision last year to no longer attend any religious ceremonies where masks, social distancing etc are enforced and hymn singing is banned. I find such things contrary to the spirit of Christianity and quite frankly, distasteful.

432418 Annie, replying to Annie, 36, #695 of 1532 🔗

I’ve been re-reading a lot of Golden Age sci-fi: Clarke, Aldiss, Asimov, van Vogt, Heinlein et al. It’s good reading just now because it doesn’t keep reminding me of what normal life was like.

Despite their penchsnt for destroying the Earth in various ingenious ways, these authors are all endlessly optimistic about Man. Man, the clever, bold, far-seeing, ambitious, inventive species that bursts out of its own solar system and creates a galactic empire.Man, master of Time and Space. Man, destined for the Stars, the race that can do Anything. Van Vogt declared: ‘science fiction, as I try to write it, glorifies Man and his future.”

And now, look at Man. Stupid, cowardly, brainless, spineless, slobbering, grovelling, sub-sheep-Man, crawling under the bed on the orders of a handful of shrivelled little despots who couldn’t say boo to a moderately determined goose, let alone ET.
Galactic fiddlesticks.

They are cracking good stories, nevertheless.

432430 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Annie, 10, #696 of 1532 🔗

One phrase that always springs to mind, and I’m sure you will know it, Annie, is this:

“Overhead, quietly and without fuss, one by one, the stars were going out…”

I might not have it exactly, but it seems very appropriate to our times.

432439 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #697 of 1532 🔗

Clarke’s favourite short story I think

‘you mean the world is going to end?’

‘nothing as trivial as that’

432516 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to steve_w, #698 of 1532 🔗

We need a visitation, as in ”Childhood’s End”, to sort us all out.

432542 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Banjones, #700 of 1532 🔗

I would welcome a liberation by Florida or Sweden

432431 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Annie, 1, #701 of 1532 🔗

Cracking stories

Clarke and Stapledon for me 🙂

432463 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steve_w, #702 of 1532 🔗

Not heard of Stapledon, Steve, but if he’s up there with ACC, I’ll look him up.

432519 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Sam Vimes, #703 of 1532 🔗

Starmaker and First & Last Men are awesome books from Stapledon

432611 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sam Vimes, #704 of 1532 🔗

Starmaker is the best. “probably the most powerful work of imagination ever written”

ACC looked up to him as the grandfather of SF

432442 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Annie, 4, #705 of 1532 🔗

Go back a little further and re-read Wells or Forster and you get a very different picture of Man. ‘Stupid, cowardly, brainless, spineless, slobbering, grovelling, sub-sheep-Man, crawling under the bed on the orders of a handful of shrivelled little despots’ pretty well sums up their view of the likely future of Man.

432458 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 5, #706 of 1532 🔗

Stupid, cowardly, brainless, spineless, slobbering, grovelling, sub-sheep-Man, crawling under the bed on the orders of a handful of shrivelled little despots who couldn’t say boo to a moderately determined goose, let alone ET.

This is what Man becomes in Asimov’s The End of Eternity . The Eternals constantly strive to create a reality in which Man has no challenges, no ambition and no will to reach for something better than what they have.

432459 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 4, #707 of 1532 🔗

sounds like my civil servant brother-in-law

432483 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 4, #708 of 1532 🔗

… and ‘mankind died out’.

But the Basic State of Man is still a galactic empire. You only need to twiddle the timeline a bit harder.
Actually, since Asimov’e galactic empire comes at the price of Earth becoming a radioactive ruin with a tiny population who are all euthanised when they reach the age of 60, I’m not sure I’d want that empire either.

I rather like Clifford Simak’s ‘City’, in which all the humans go off to play silly buggers on Jupiter and the dogs take over. Sadly, the dogs eventually have to abandon Earth, because the ants are advancing and the dogs decide it would be immoral to exterminate the ants by poison as the last remaining human advises them to do. Luckily, the dogs have lots of alternative worlds at their disposal.
Good luck to the dogs, I say.

432599 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Annie, 1, #709 of 1532 🔗

a tiny population who are all euthanised when they reach the age of 60, I’m not sure I’d want that empire either.

No. Mind you, the Galactic Empire does fall apart in the end, anyway; even Daneel couldn’t stop it. 😉

Incidentally, I actually mentioned the ’60’ on here the other day. I’m sure it’s one of Mr Schwab’s goals.

432481 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Annie, 1, #710 of 1532 🔗

I’d highly recommend readin David Brin’s “Uplift” series.

Humans break out into an unrelentingly hostile galaxy with an old and deeply conservative civilisation. But humans don’t go alone – they raise dolphins and chimpanzees to full sentience and they join us out in the stars too and are deeply protective of humans. It sounds crazy but its wonderfully touching and optimistic.

432485 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Katabasis, 3, #711 of 1532 🔗

Farewell, and thanks for all the fish?

432488 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Annie, #712 of 1532 🔗

Quite possibly where he got the inspiration 🙂

432512 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, #713 of 1532 🔗

Spot on description, Annie. Sad but true.

432537 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Annie, 1, #714 of 1532 🔗

Worth bearing in mind, that a lot of these writers influenced young minds to go into science. Agreed though, great writing from a golden age.

432556 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #715 of 1532 🔗

Although I well remember the spirit of optimism which fostered much of this SF literature, it’s hard to credit now that it ever existed, still less explain it to my daughters- I’ve never even tried. As Doris Lessing said, it’s like trying to communicate the nature of a dream- your only hope of doing so’s if someone else had the same dream, and you have to take that on trust. Maaaan.

432551 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 3, #716 of 1532 🔗

-and then again there’s Phil Dick…..

432604 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #717 of 1532 🔗

Proof that the drugs DO work. 😉

432931 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 2, #718 of 1532 🔗

It’s odd you mention this, as I’m a writer by trade. There’s quite a lot of disagreement at the moment amongst writers as to whether lockdowns, covid etc should be fictionalised or even mentioned in fiction. My agent actually sent all his clients an email telling us that any works that mentioned covid or lockdowns would not be accepted because ‘it would soon be very dated.’ (Does he know something we don’t?)

Anyway, I’ve managed to avoid the issue so far because my last novel was set pre-war; I’ve had to set my current one in 2020 to avoid mentioning the C-word. The next one is going to be tricky but I’m considering a dystopian sci-fi novel which satirises much of the nonsense we’ve been through in the last year, in such a way that those with eyes to see will see, and the rest will hopefully just think it’s a ripping yarn.

433118 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Annie, #719 of 1532 🔗

Yes, where have all the men gone? Most of them can’t even put up a shelf nowadays.

432423 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 23, #720 of 1532 🔗

Let us return to Vaccines. Do they stop death, hospitalisation, confer immunity, stop transmission? WE HAVE NO CLUE!! But it does not look good.
All the tests were about reducing symptoms, that is all. And the recorded sucess rate of that , for instance Pfizer’s 95% is NOT what is reported in the media. In fact all the tests showed was there is LESS THAN 1% chance of reducing a symptom from taking the Pfizer vaccine. Over 100 people have to be injected for one to benefit in reduction in symptoms.
Real life experience in Israel with over 90% vaccinated in the at risk group shows NO reduction in deaths and hospitalisations, in fact the opposite.
People are being injected with a untested new gene therapy with no record of anything positive for what it is supposed to do.
Now our SAGE experts are probably not quite thick enough not to understand some of this, and maybe even the odd government minister might have an inkling.
This is the real problem, they have put all their eggs in the vaccine basket and they have no clue whether it will have any effect against the coronavirus.
So they are running scared, how do they explain exactly the same events happening next winter?
We are facing endless lockdowns under a fascist bio-tech regime unless somehow the psyop can be ended and citizens relieve themselves of their ‘masters’.

432467 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peyrole, 9, #721 of 1532 🔗

WE HAVE NO CLUE!!

This is the bottom line. Which is the natural state of science at this time re. vaccines. Which is why in normal times, we have extensive, calibrated testing regimes for medicines that take a period of time to complete. All the rest is unknown assumption – the probabilities are too wide and uncertain to be useful.

Beyond that we have the dubious track record of the interest groups pushing the advertising campaign for vaccines under the guise of ‘information’. Circumstantial evidence – but a massive inhibition when all strands are put together.

Bluntly, the government has lied about the risk from the disease (‘unprecedented’) and the state of knowledge about the vaccines (‘safe’).

This is the level of truthful assertion normally associated with your quotidian ‘phone scam.

432507 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to peyrole, 16, #722 of 1532 🔗

I did post this comment above – not mine, but from a Sky News Australia commenter, and it bears repeating, I think:

If a single case of covid can shut down an entire state then ANY vaccine injury should shut down all vaccine programs.

432526 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to peyrole, 2, #723 of 1532 🔗

Pfizer’s “95% efficacy” criteria was displaying mild Covid symptoms or a positive diagnosis via PCR process.

What does that have to do with immunity?

Moderna’s efficacy rate had the same basis.

432583 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to peyrole, 3, #724 of 1532 🔗

“All the tests were about reducing symptoms, that is all” And so potentially creates millions of ‘asymptomatic’ spreaders.

Will this keep us in lockdown forever? After all spreaders = ‘cases’ = NHS overwhelmed = big scary death numbers…

Or if asymptomatic transmission is no longer a thing, then that destroys any shred of an argument for lockdowns, masks, social distancing and any other restrictions on the healthy.

432684 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to peyrole, 2, #725 of 1532 🔗

So they are running scared, how do they explain exactly the same events happening next winter?

Mutations.
Covid 21, 22, 23 ad infinitum
All our fault
👽 Aliens

432768 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #726 of 1532 🔗

We have always been at war with Covidia

432425 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 17, #727 of 1532 🔗

just a couple of thoughts on Ferguson

The latter – whether controlling COVID spread has been worth the costs of lockdown – is a valid issue to be debated, as I’ve previously said. But it’s not really a scientific issue.”

1 – he assumes lockdown prevented covid spread – but there is no evidence for that (Sweden and now Florida)

2 – he is blaming the politicians for lockdown

I am so wishing there is going to be a circular firing squad and thousands of buses for people to throw each other under

There isn’t enough popcorn in the world

432440 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to steve_w, 16, #728 of 1532 🔗

I’ve run my own model and it projected Fergusons head on a spike outside a closed pub
Must be true-my model said so

432443 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #729 of 1532 🔗

I used slightly different assumptions and start-up parameters and I got a charred corpse

432474 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #730 of 1532 🔗

That’ll be that ‘protein spike’ will it? Or maybe it’s pratt on a spike!

432500 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #731 of 1532 🔗

Good name for a pub – The Ferguson’s Head.

432781 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Banjones, 1, #732 of 1532 🔗

I’d drink there.
Greene King just had a poll to rename a “Black Boy” pub in out town. They had a poll, it will be “The Westgate” as it is a few hundred metres from the old gate. How original. One suggestion was of a regular customer who was a rug’n bone man and kept his cart in the yard, would have been nice to pay tribute to him. But no, apparently they went with something so bland!

432927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Silke David, #733 of 1532 🔗

I’d rename it the Black Buoy. They can’t touch them for that!

433019 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cranmer, #734 of 1532 🔗

Isolated danger mark, good plan. Black Buoy in Wivenhoe for one.

http://www.blackbuoy.co.uk/

433016 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Silke David, #735 of 1532 🔗

Charles II’s mother’s name for him apparently owing to his hair and dark complexion.

432447 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 6, #736 of 1532 🔗

But it’s not really a scientific issue.”

… and playing unvalidated and unreliable mathematical computer games is? Give me strength.

there is no evidence for that (Sweden and now Florida)

There is no evidence that I have seen from the curve of mortality in any country.

432496 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, 5, #737 of 1532 🔗

Speaking of Florida – one of the commenters on Trialsite about the studies on Ivermectin made the point that in Florida anyone hospitalised was given Ivermectin immediately. (I haven’t verified, but it’s an interesting thought, and could explain low death rates.)

432479 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 5, #738 of 1532 🔗

As I commented yesterday, he wants to have it both ways—”it’s not really a scientific issue” didn’t stop him going on the evening news every other week to tell us all what had to be done. The only thing I can think to say in his defence is that he was by no means the worst for this.

And yes, if we get to see the lockdownistas all turn on each other then that would be a definite silver lining to this gigantic clusterfuck.

432465 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 34, #739 of 1532 🔗

I see Gavin Williamson has come out in support of “vaccine certificates” for normal activities such as going to the cinema or pub. He said he’d “do anything” to go back to the cinema.

If this becomes the norm for my wife and I life just won’t be worth living. And yet again looking at reactions on social media there are too many useful idiots who haven’t even spend five seconds considering the deep implications of giving up bodily autonomy and integrity to the biosecurity state even once.

432490 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Katabasis, 9, #740 of 1532 🔗

I doubt very much that ‘useful idiots’ think that deeply.

432787 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Banjones, 2, #741 of 1532 🔗

Like my retired parents, who go to lectures at least twice a week and will have the vaccine to be able to do that again, they would probably not see an issue with passports.
It is very selfish thinking and of course they do not consider the wider implications. Very few people do.

432520 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Katabasis, 6, #742 of 1532 🔗

Including John Littledick in the Mail last friday. I really did hope he would have been able to recognise a general principle when he saw one. Just as likely, of course, that someone has had a meaningful little chat with him. Anyway, Charlie Mullins is quite right, no jab no job etc. Depressing.

432524 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Katabasis, 20, #743 of 1532 🔗

I’ve got a friend who is a pretty hard core libertarian. Thinks we should have the right to bear arms; resents paying income tax; paranoid about internet security; worried about the introduction of a new digital currency and the coercive social control that this could lead to. Reads all the alternative news sources many of us will be familiar with. In the past we occasionally “joked” (doesn’t seem funny now) that when things go all Demolition Man we’d have to buy an old farmhouse in Wales and live with our families off grid. But he’s being remarkably weak on this – has basically implied that he’d go along with a vaccine certificate, and doesn’t want to engage on the issue. He wants to go skiing again; he wants to go to the pub; he doesn’t want any aggro with his wife who won’t understand why he can’t just act “normally”. The line in the sand has been drawn and despite all the posturing he is not, it seems, prepared to take a stand. I think if my most tin-foil hat mate isn’t prepared to join me in the fox hole on this one then the battle is already lost. It’s a miserable state of affairs.

432559 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Johnsontown, 10, #744 of 1532 🔗

In the end, most people will betray their principles for what they perceive to be an easy life.

432563 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Johnsontown, 9, #745 of 1532 🔗

I’ve seen this everywhere this year. People are all front.

432597 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #746 of 1532 🔗

I’m seeing it in Libertarian circles to
Not so tough when they actually have to put up
Full on statists under the bonnet

432609 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #747 of 1532 🔗

Then clearly his “libertarianism” was all just posturing

432525 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Katabasis, 8, #748 of 1532 🔗

The same man lest we forget who told Russia to “go away and shut-up”.

Once again someone in a senior position who needs to quaint themselves with the Nuremberg code

432541 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to SimonCook, 5, #749 of 1532 🔗

Indeed. I bet Putin was shaking in his boots at that threat.

432529 ▶▶ Will, replying to Katabasis, 10, #750 of 1532 🔗

I trust they will be happy to have their health passports stamped to buy alcohol, cigarettes, meat, sugar etc etc.

432647 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Will, 2, #751 of 1532 🔗

“Private businesses can do whatever they want!”

432544 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Katabasis, 21, #752 of 1532 🔗

I’m increasingly reconciled to the fact that I might not be able to get on a train, go to the pub, go to the cinema etc ever again. I very much doubt I will ever go abroad again. But I think life will still be worth living. I have a good collection of books and DVDs and music – I can devote myself to studying and appreciating the arts. I play the piano; I’ll take up the guitar next. I am surrounded by beautiful countryside. I have my wife and son, who will hopefully stick by me, however reclusive and marginalised I become. And finally there are at least some people out there who haven’t forgotten what it means to be a human being. We may need to find one another and forge alternative communities that exist in opposition to the oppressive technocracy. OK, so we can’t go to Cineworld and eat Nandos. It’s really not a loss. We need to create an alternative, something better, something more real.

432549 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Johnsontown, 11, #753 of 1532 🔗

Those of us on the jobs market can’t be so sanguine, I’m afraid.

432581 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to mattghg, 7, #754 of 1532 🔗

That’s a fair point. I can currently work from home as a freelancer but that might not work out long term. Very hard to live outside “the system” when you’re locked into the capitalist wage-slave prison. It seems to me that for decades the neo-liberals have been crushing anyone who tries to live an alternative life. New Age travellers, squatters. These people have been (often quite literally) beaten into submission, while the compliant normies are saddled with a mountain of debt. And yes, for all my fighting words I’ve essentially always been a compliant normie myself. I wish I’d stood up and resisted years ago, because I now see that this war has been going on my entire life.

432562 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #755 of 1532 🔗

You’ve nailed it for me. I have two kids as well. I can’t agree to this and look at them.

432593 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Johnsontown, 9, #756 of 1532 🔗

I’m more than happy to live with all you pestilents in our very own leper colony
Bring it on

432704 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Johnsontown, 10, #757 of 1532 🔗

I was talking to a middle aged friend last night who lives in remotest North Devon. He is retired, lives on his own, has no close family, leads a sedentary life with little interest in going to sports events, theatre etc. Very self-contained. A weekly trip to the shops for food is an ‘occasion’ for him. I don’t mind saying it’s very similar to my life but, unlike him, I (like you) have many interests and hobbies to keep me occupied at home. I am of an age where I have done enough foreign travel to not feel I would ever miss it again.

Over the months I have sent my Devon friend reams and reams of sound evidence discrediting the PCR tests and highlighting the vaccine shortcomings. He appeared to take it all in, making the appropriate expressions of shock at how we were being misled. But he announced to me last night that he had taken the first ‘jab’. “Well I’ve got my week’s holiday in Italy booked for May so thought I’d have the jab in anticipation of a vaccine passport being required”. What can you say to someone that dumb?

I sarcastically said to him that I was surprised that he felt that a week away in Italy was worth paying the price of a risk of a serious reaction to the vaccine and having to wake up every day for the next ten years wondering what serious disease might be festering away inside him. He just laughed. He is clearly someone who thinks that such things only happen to other people. I must add, I have known him for forty years and throughout that time he has been the worst hypochondriac I have ever me – literally has a season ticket at the GP practice. His attitude just doesn’t make sense however you look at it.

Anyway, I’m done with these people and will just get on with my unvaccinated life. My only concerns are things like food shopping and opticians. How long will we be ‘allowed’ to indulge in those activities without proof of vaccination or test?

432913 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #758 of 1532 🔗

Pretty much my view. I think we need to be philosophical about this; we must fight but eventually there comes a point when a handful of sceptics can’t do much against the might of totalitarian government. Myself and the other half are planning a move to a more remote rural location this year, the plan is to be more self-sufficient and to be away from too many other people, such as covid snoopers, mask enforcers etc.

432466 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 4, #759 of 1532 🔗

Why do we have a sticky comment thread today?

432514 ▶▶ davews, replying to mattghg, 7, #760 of 1532 🔗

That sticky thread confused me no end, I thought my browser wasn’t refreshing the page with the most recent post apparently an hour ago.

432468 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 17, #761 of 1532 🔗

For those who weren’t on the late shift last night when I posted this, you may not be aware that it appears the participants in the vaccine clinical trials were not properly consented:

“Results of the study
COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID‐19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID‐19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.”

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795

432515 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Katabasis, 7, #762 of 1532 🔗

When I can see collaborators with wall to wall bells palsy and shaking like Michael J Fox my unmasked face will be in full on smirk mode

432565 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Katabasis, 7, #763 of 1532 🔗

Nobody seems to know anything bad about the vaccines – they don’t know that they are experimental gene therapy or that death rates in care homes (and Gibraltar) have increased since the start of the vaxx roll out. Why would they, as nobody in the mainstream media is reporting any of this?

People have been as complacent about the vaccines as they have all been wholly incurious about the virus scam. Utterly trusting of big pharma and governments, never questioning anything. They don’t care about consent – they just believe that the vaccine will set them free. They deserve whatever comes to them.

My ski group have all been whatsapping today that you can go and book yourself a vaccine even if you are under 60 – they are all excitedly scheduling appointments for the jab. Morons! Guess I won’t be skiing with them again as I won’t have the required travel papers…

432588 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #764 of 1532 🔗

Daily reminder the Government/NHS/GP’s are inherently inept
Tell everyone you have had it (at some random stab centre) and then complain when your records aren’t up to date

432574 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Katabasis, 2, #765 of 1532 🔗

A great and very important find!

This will go into my ‘Why I will not take the vaccine’ Apologia, which I am preparing in order to save me from going through the same pointless conversation with the hundreds of members of my bridge/ golf/ squash/ tennis clubs who will doubtless shun me in my unvaccinated state! (I am bracing myself for the fact that I may have to withdraw from social life altogether, until a time when the world has recovered from its collective nervous breakdown.)

I see ‘first published 28 Oct 2020’ – has this received any attention at all anywhere? If so, I have missed it.

432648 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Katabasis, 1, #766 of 1532 🔗

excellent find. Amazing what you miss when you skip testing!

432472 Sam Vimes, 9, #767 of 1532 🔗

A faulty ‘test’
Grossly exaggerated death figures – flat out lies
The widespread availability of stupidity

Just three ingredients was all it took…

432487 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #768 of 1532 🔗

UK Column – a couple of days old now but still well worth listening to, even if it’s just the first 15 minutes. There’s a lot of sense spoken there about SAG( E redundant ). Interesting to be reminded that Cummins was very anti SAG and spoke out against them. No wonder he had to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_tZHhUaKZs

432547 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Banjones, 1, #769 of 1532 🔗

Difficult to know what to think about Dom. He did give the distinct impression that he fully supported the lockdowns – certainly initially, and the civil service gossip is that the reason he hot-footed it to mummy n daddy up north was that he was terrified that the ‘pandemic’ would cause civil unrest and violence on the streets of London…

Though that is probably scurrilous rumour as there was no love lost between Dom and the civil service.

432629 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #770 of 1532 🔗

He was terrified of the virus itself, as is Gove. Hence the only 2 in government who might have had the intelligence to guide sensible policy were useless. Fear induces irrational responses.

432548 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 2, #771 of 1532 🔗

Cummings – let’s not mix him up with Ivor 🙂 thanks, I missed that one, I’ll have a catch up.

432497 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #772 of 1532 🔗

It’s that time of the year when the council start spaffing even more money so they can use up their budgets (though our council is apparently borrowing money to invest in an armaments company …). Anyway, the council boys are tarting up this shed thing at the top of the park right now. And I thought as I was watching them paint it a nice racing green colour (well, I’ve got eff all else to do right now) that wouldn’t it be awful if some reprobate spray painted ‘fascist scum’ on it!

432576 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, 8, #773 of 1532 🔗

though our council is apparently borrowing money to invest in an armaments company

Sounds like you could be needing some bullet proof glass for that cafe of yours. I thoroughly recommend this company:

Ferguson Double Glazing Ltd.

“Let our computer program calculate the cost of your replacement double glazed bullet proof glass.
We guarantee our estimates will never be beaten”

432584 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Old Bill, 2, #774 of 1532 🔗

Jeez, I hadn’t thought of that … 😉

432798 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, #775 of 1532 🔗

I thought they are painting the benches as everyone is ignoring their other signs.

432503 alw, replying to alw, 11, #776 of 1532 🔗
  • “The U.K. government has given sizeable grants to a number of private companies developing vaccine passports and digital certificates that show vaccination status
  • It’s likely only a matter of time before you’ll be asked to prove your vaccination status in order to carry on with your daily life
  • This blatant move toward an ever-increasing surveillance state is being welcomed by many who have been led to believe they’re necessary to protect public health and safety
  • In the U.S., universities continue to institute lockdowns for students, going so far as to ban even outdoor exercise
  • While many countries have suggested that the COVID-19 vaccine will not be mandated, by giving special privileges to the vaccinated, such as the ability to travel, attend social events or even enter a workplace, it essentially amounts to the same thing and insinuates a “cleaner” class of people in those who have been vaccinated

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/24/covid-vaccine-passport.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&sd=20210130&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210224_HL2&mid=DM804553&rid=1091688247

432523 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to alw, 10, #777 of 1532 🔗

As long as a significant proportion of people refuse any vaccine, and as long as venues have a choice as to whom they admit, the free market will undermine any restrictions..

432687 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to rockoman, #778 of 1532 🔗

But the WEF’s digital identity plan – part of the Fourth Industrial Revolution which BJ wants the Uk to take a lead on delivering doesn’t permit a free market to exist (except for the huge corporate giants that is).

432513 Ceriain, 14, #779 of 1532 🔗

Open letter from Gavin Williamson: https://dfemedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/02/23/an-open-letter-from-education-secretary-gavin-williamson-to-parents-carers-and-guardians/

So many things that are just wrong in this letter, but good to see that they stress all testing will be voluntary and there are to be no masks in classrooms for primary school children.

Also masks for secondary schools are a recommendation only.

Get those “I deny permission to make my child wear a mask” letters in to your heads now.

432517 alw, replying to alw, 10, #780 of 1532 🔗

Brilliant from Richard Fuller MP. Joins the ranks of Sir Charles Walker and Sir Desmond Swayne holding Govt to account. This is what real opposition should be about.

https://youtu.be/gVj67re-c9g

432580 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to alw, 4, #781 of 1532 🔗

Thanks for posting that link. I’d hate to have missed it! Another good egg. I only wish our self-serving MP would be as principled – unfortunately she is just that: self-serving, and in thrall to the party line.

432856 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to alw, #782 of 1532 🔗

Thanks. I wouldn’t have seen that otherwise. Richard Fuller goes on the list of decent MPs. If there were another 300+ we might be getting somewhere.

432518 BTLnewbie, 25, #783 of 1532 🔗

In a post by Marg below https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/24/latest-news-295/#comment-432082 she talks of her daughter’s serious side-effects post-jab. This is echoed in the BTL comments on a DT piece on Monday about the jab (depressingly, generally in favour) where there were many comments about the temporary side-effects which knocked people sideways for a day or so. If the impact of the vaccine is to knock a healthy 60-y-o sideways, it will be enough to knock a frail care home resident off her perch.
This site has linked to local news reports coming in from all sides (Norway, Germany, Holland, France, Spain as well as UK) about care home deaths after local vaccination programs.
Yesterday’s ONS data still shows care home deaths ‘with Covid’ running at three or four times the pre-vaccination rates.
Doctors and nurses, who are at the sharp end and in the know, are the most reluctant to take up the vaccine (various sources inc; the Leicester NHS health study) even though the pressure on them to take it must be considerable.
How long can it be before anyone in the MSM joins the dots? When will they start reporting this difficult conundrum – that those who are being protected by the vaccine – average age of Covid death 82 – are the same people as those who are being killed by the vaccine. How do the care home staff feel about having this “blood on their hands”?

432521 alw, 19, #784 of 1532 🔗

To all LS readers. Hope this makes your day.

432522 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 22, #785 of 1532 🔗

We will never know how many died or didn’t from Covid because they made sure there were no post mortems and then they burnt the bodies

This is exactly what Harold Shipman did

At the start of the genocide the government removed the safeguards that were brought in after Shipman. What did they have in mind?

432538 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 8, #786 of 1532 🔗

I think I recall Dolores Cahill saying that, for anyone who could afford it, book and pay for a post mortem for yourself.

432595 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 8, #787 of 1532 🔗

And have the results delivered straight into your … wooden box.

432532 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 8, #788 of 1532 🔗

NZ is just about to have the ”vaccine” rolled over them. Here’s a lady who’s determined to tell people what they need to know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neC2kRnMZDw

432846 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Banjones, #789 of 1532 🔗

What happens in NZ and Australia when they have the vaccine rollout will be very interesting. If they experience a sudden rise in cases and deaths it will be difficult to hide or explain away.

432536 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 31, #790 of 1532 🔗

I have learned an awful lot about forming arguments over the last year. I always thought presenting statistics and data was the best tact for winning an argument. I always thought that people would concede there position eventually to that who presents the most credible argument. This is simply not in touch with reality, as much as I would like it be. Infact, it has been my own intrasigence to this position, which has negated my success over the last 12 months.

I will be leading with emotion only going forward. I will discuss the (i) 150 million people being plunged into extreme poverty (ii) the suspected 35000 excess deaths from cancer due to missed screenings (iii) the 1 and 4 kids contemplating suicide (iv) the victims of domestic and child abuse trapped with their abusers (v) the isolation of the sick and the elderly (vi) the lack of joy, laughter, hugs and fun (vii) the inaliable right to move and breathe freely (viii) the anti human response of this whole pysopathic experiment

The ultimate point being that it hasn’t worked with Sweden and Florida fairing better without all these restrictions. This is the only stats I will be armed with.

432557 ▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 14, #791 of 1532 🔗

The problem is it isn’t appeals to emotion that have swayed the sheeple, it is the appeal to their own individual and immediate experience. They couldn’t give a shit about people in other countries falling into extreme poverty; and the missed cancer screenings mean nothing until it affects them or their family (as extensions of themselves).

I appreciate the desire to convince people, but when they have the Thinking Box and their face buried in their phones, while they have the furlough or are otherwise financially comfortable, nothing you say will even make a dent.

432571 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jb12, 3, #792 of 1532 🔗

I don’t disagree people do live in the moment and have absolutely no concept of the perils in the future. If nothing else though the emotion tactic can’t just be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist which for some reasons stats do.

432596 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jb12, 2, #793 of 1532 🔗

It’s the appeal to authority I say. They love their masters.

432652 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jb12, 3, #794 of 1532 🔗

They’d be better off with their phones shoved right up their ‘thinking boxes’ (popular smuggling method in HMPs I believe).

432558 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #795 of 1532 🔗

“I will be leading with emotion only going forward.”

I also thought facts and figures would change minds, but have learnt that it won’t persuade people who didn’t come to their opinions through facts and figures in the first place. So he, you’re correct in using emotional reasoning (blackmail) instead.
That’s why i liked the anti-“look them in the eyes” propaganda. It turns that slogan back on itself.

432572 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to LMS2, 3, #796 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I agree it has been blackmail from the government since March 2020 so as they say fight fire with fire.

432620 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #797 of 1532 🔗

This is the way
You cannot change hearts and minds with facts and figures as the general population have been so traumatized
Same with conspiracies – doesn’t matter if you think they are true or not- it does not work

432543 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 8, #798 of 1532 🔗

Yesterday the Irish Government released it’s update “Living with Covid Plan”. The children will be returning to school in a phased way over the next six and a half weeks! Here is the rest of the plan in full:

432594 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 2, #799 of 1532 🔗

They are also introducing a ne Health Bill to destroy medical freedom. The country is a disgrace.

432550 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 11, #800 of 1532 🔗

I find Neil Ferguson recent reply rude and condescending and shows how much BS he is full of. His quote of 120,000 deaths he wears as a badge of honour rather than what it real is an unmitigated public health disaster which his policy created. How is it possible that a policy we were told would lead to 20,000 deaths is still being pushed when it as so obviously failed. The only way to teach him a lesson is to sue him, I believe if all UK businesses got together and brought a joint action it would bring the pandemic to a halt very quickly. We know what to do protect the vulnerable and open up society,as places like Florida have shown can be done.

432567 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #801 of 1532 🔗

Yeah, lot’s of attention on the 500,000 figure, but not enough on the predictions he made following, including this. Which, if we believe the deaths of/with, was further out than the Kuiper Belt.

432555 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 6, #802 of 1532 🔗

I’m hoping the Slutty Professor makes a mistake with his emails

432641 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Skippy, #803 of 1532 🔗

Not the Man in the White Suit certainly.

432751 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Skippy, #804 of 1532 🔗

I’m nicking that one

432561 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 10, #805 of 1532 🔗

The (non)-dialogue with Prof. Ferguson has been useful because it reveals someone with a closed mind. Of course this is useless when someone is a modeller and a scientist. But then he is actually neither. There is no point in continuing the conversation because he will never address seasonality, Sweden, Florida, Jutland etc. His citing of the 120k deaths to justify his model is a rhetorical point, not a scientific one.

Looking to the future someone(s) should write a book about Lockdown Sceptics, the site and the people-and also and above all, the suffering of those who have lost their livelihoods, their mental health, and the many harms to children-like the little girl who typed during her virtual ‘lesson’ “I don’t like this” 40 times.

There is also the future inevitable future enquiry when Prof. F. and the politicians will be keen to exculpate themselves, the latter repeating the mantra “We followed the Science.” The most vociferous crticism is likely to come from someone like lockdown fanatic Owen ‘if only we’d locked down sooner’ Jones, not I fear from the followers of LS. There needs to be a detailed argument in place to counter this.

432610 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to frankfrankly, 8, #806 of 1532 🔗

I look at the international data. 450 million out of work, 75 million children plunged into the highest levels of poverty, predicted deaths from malaria, dengue, poverty, stunted growth etc. For something similar to Asian or Hong Kong flu we’ve put international development back 20 years. I don’t know whether lockdown created poverty deaths will be in the millions or tens of millions or whether they will carry on for years or decades.

But I have no doubt we will look back at this as a catastrophic mistake and Professor Ferguson and others will be remembered as the architects of a stupid and senseless horror that will be remembered in 1000 years

432568 Guirme, replying to Guirme, 16, #807 of 1532 🔗

Is this the week that Sturgeon lost the May election? After her petulant walkout from Monday’s four nations meeting she has produced a “roadmap” to perpetual misery. Today she has been universally slammed in all newspapers (apart from the National, which really doesn’t count). Additionally the stench of corruption from her and her inner coterie is increasingly being reported in the national press. Hero to zero in record time perhaps?

432592 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Guirme, 6, #808 of 1532 🔗

Somebody has to fall. Not a single politician in the four nations has fallen. Did the Scottish MP who travelled after a positive test get sacked even?

432673 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #809 of 1532 🔗

Margaret Ferrier – ah, but that wasn’t her fault . because covie made her do it, she was not the one in control. apparently! 🙂
I believe she was asked to step down as an MP but refused, I think she is currently under some form of temporary suspension; Met Police have said they’re not going to do anything, though Scottish Police still could, I think.

432600 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Guirme, 3, #810 of 1532 🔗

Doubtful, she can do no wrong in many Scots eyes.

432630 ▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to pvenkman, 3, #811 of 1532 🔗

But many Scots loathe her and the feeling I increasingly get from talking to people is that they are thoroughly fed up with lockdown. Remember also that Sturgeon leads a minority government dependant on the support of the Greens, who must also be getting nervous that support for her will be counterproductive, particularly in relation to the corruption issue.

432777 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Guirme, #812 of 1532 🔗

I loathe her but others love her, and even though the SNP probably lacks majority (over 50 per cent) support, the opposition is quite badly divided and the main opposition party, the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, is still toxic to many Scots and not a voting option for those who might oppose the SNP. Even if the three Unionist parties could get a majority of seats, they would struggle to replace the SNP in government. It’s a very dysfunctional place here and I fear we are looking at a lost decade.

432618 ▶▶ Will, replying to Guirme, #813 of 1532 🔗

I hope you are right, I shared a link from my Scottish cousin about the cover up.

432660 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Guirme, #814 of 1532 🔗

Please God!

432586 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #815 of 1532 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/covid-19-can-survive-on-clothing-for-up-to-72-hours-study-shows-40126774.html

Headline: Covid-19 can survive on clothing for up to 72 hours, study shows
Bit of a mixed article. Spreading fear by claiming to spread COVID but it recommends that healthcare staff not take their uniforms home to be washed by the staff member but that these clothes be washed on site or industrially.

432589 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #816 of 1532 🔗

Still they come. They are loving this nonsense.

432721 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #817 of 1532 🔗

Covid porn. They can’t get enough of it!

432603 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #818 of 1532 🔗

” …a model coronavirus called HCoV-OC43 – which has a very similar structure and survival pattern to that of Sars-CoV-2 – which causes Covid-19 – …”

Mwah ha ha ha !

432638 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JohnB, 1, #819 of 1532 🔗

Trash study performed by dangerous, incompetent lunatics.

432633 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #820 of 1532 🔗

How long does it survive on masks?

432654 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #821 of 1532 🔗

Our company deals with a lot of fabric. We have been open all throughout 2020/21. I can safely say that is utter bollocks.

432670 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #822 of 1532 🔗

Also in the Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9294073/Covid-19-survive-clothing-72-hours-study-shows.html

Best rated comments show that readers aren’t buying it

432811 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #823 of 1532 🔗

I never trust these lab only research.
A material will behave differently in the real world than in a lab setting.

433261 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Silke David, #824 of 1532 🔗

Exactly so. There is a sequence of stages called Technology Research Levels, originally devised by NASA I think, with several stages between lab tests and a production environment.

432601 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #825 of 1532 🔗

Reading Professor Ferguson’s responses is shocking. He argues like an ill-educated, overly emotional, defensive ignoramus. His responses clearly show his thinking is dominated by cognitive bias, particularly confirmation bias and projection. Frankly, I find it hard to believe that he could ever have earned even an undergraduate degree, let alone have become a professor.

432614 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #826 of 1532 🔗

He starts off one of the replies by saying he’s not going to deal with the specific points made as they are unscientific. So if they are so unscientific and such weak arguments they ought to be easily dismissed. It’s a classic “you’re obviously wrong” argument from someone who thinks he is above being questioned by those he considers inferior.

432631 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #827 of 1532 🔗

He’s not content with Lewandowsky & Cook’s 97% but insists he is of the 99%. Einstein is said to have responded to the 100 Nazi ‘debunkers’ of the Theory of Relativity that one would have been enough had he been wrong.

432773 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #828 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I see this kind of low-quality thinking all the time in the British university system. Coming from abroad, where it was less common, I often wonder how people get away with it. I think there is a bigger problem here with getting ahead because you know someone rather than because you have the right qualifications. You may find it interesting that Professor Sir John Curtice, media darling and ‘sage’ of election studies, never completed his PhD. There was a time when you could become a professor without a doctorate, though this is much less common nowadays (fortunately). This sort of thing would be unheard of in many other countries.

432998 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tom in Scotland, #829 of 1532 🔗

Cambridge still has more Nobel prizes than any country apart from US and Germany (and UK of course). Trinity College has more than any country apart from US, Germany and France.

433432 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, #830 of 1532 🔗

I think you’re being too kind to him. Let’s not forget he broke the rules he had argued for so he could go cross-London shagging. He doesn’t actually believe in Lockdown – only that other people should be tortured by it.

432606 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 11, #831 of 1532 🔗

This is interesting – I was looking into Nadhim “YouGov” Zahawi’s entry into politics. I didn’t know he barely scraped in:

“After five hours of debate, interrupted only for a quick tea break, a surprise winner emerges. It is Zahawi, the candidate who scored the lowest vote in the local poll. It transpires that no clear winner emerged after the first vote so it went to a second and then a third count as the candidates were whittled down.

There are about 900 registered members of Stratford-upon-Avon’s Conservative party association: on Friday night 241 turned up to vote. So Nawahi, who this year failed to win endorsements in Devizes and Suffolk Coastal, will commence his journey to Westminster thanks to the backing of fewer people than might turn up for a village fete. It doesn’t seem a convincing mandate.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/feb/21/tory-anger-cameron-candidates-stratford

432997 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Katabasis, #832 of 1532 🔗

Obama got his start in politics by questioning the signatures of those supporting his opponents. Newsom (Gov. ‘Hairgel’) in California is now verifying signatures being submitted to get him thrown out. The rejection rate is much higher than at the US election on November 3rd.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/hypocrisy_alert_obama_won_first_election_by_challenging_voter_fraud.html

https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-edges-toward-recall-officials-accept-more-80-percent-signatures-1570755

432619 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 16, #833 of 1532 🔗

Its just occurred to me that I haven’t been giving the Government enough credit. I thought they’d make a tactical mistake, from their own perspective, by refusing to open things up for people who have been vaccinated. But, it is clear that they now intend to keep everything closed down until everyone else has been vaccinated, i.e. making it an ‘us vs them’ divide and rule approach to try and create a horribly divided society that pressurises people into taking the vaccine.

You’ve got to give credit to them, in some ways. They are actually quite good at enacting their evil plans.

432623 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to kenadams, 3, #834 of 1532 🔗

SPI-B strikes again. It really is a collection of evil geniuses.

432699 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kenadams, 2, #835 of 1532 🔗

But, it is clear that they now intend to keep everything closed down until everyone else has been vaccinated

FIxed :

 But, it is clear that they now intend to keep everything closed down until everyone else has been vaccinated

432621 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 4, #836 of 1532 🔗

Ferguson’s (and others) prediction for 2021 midsummer winter virus surge

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963565/S1130_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_further_modelling_of_easing_restrictions.pdf

Completely insane but proof (if it were needed ) that they still don’t think that this is a seasonal virus

thanks Ceriain

432656 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, #837 of 1532 🔗

You’re welcome. It’s quite a read, isn’t it?

432664 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 4, #838 of 1532 🔗

I skipped in to get the graph – unbelievable that they don’t yet think this is a seasonal virus. As my BIL says – Sturgeon took the credit for the seasonal virus going away in Summer and blamed the English when the seasonal virus came back in Winter

I’ve saved the whole thing for a post work read 🙂

432746 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to steve_w, 1, #839 of 1532 🔗

How much do they get paid to come up with this crap?
Also, Fergusons case, that they are just modelling and not dictating gov policy, is utter bollocks.

432622 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 22, #840 of 1532 🔗

Thinking of replacing the card on my lanyard with one that might be more educational to others. If it gets a even a couple asking questions and throwing away their damn nappies for good, I’ll be happy.

432672 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #841 of 1532 🔗

Haha, whenever I’ve pointed out that people have the exemption, they look at me like I’m the epitome of evil and come out with the usual guff about ‘it might just do some good’. They want to muzzle up. Makes them feel virtuous and morally superior.

432681 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #842 of 1532 🔗

I’m pleased to confirm that this design fully meets government guidance, to wit: “a badge, lanyard or even a home made sign”.

432745 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #843 of 1532 🔗

Excellent! This is great. Someone should mass produce these (with your permission, of course).

432886 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #844 of 1532 🔗

Anybody wishing to print a version, feel free to do so. The more the merrier.

432750 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #845 of 1532 🔗

Is there a yellow star version ?
I am well up for upsetting the collaborators

432817 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #846 of 1532 🔗

`Sadly, I doubt that most people can put 2+2 together.
Even in Germany.

432624 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 14, #847 of 1532 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/march-2021/faith-masks/

An interesting piece on the symbolism of masks. I loathe them more with each day that passes.

Here in the joyous land of Sturgeonia, we will be under house arrest until April 26th, at which point, we’ll be allowed to have our hair done-provided that salons and mobile operators have managed to survive- and we’ll then be confined to Tier 3.

I honestly can’t see this ending well; why on earth has she extended the confinement order for another 2 months?How does she propose to revive what’s left of economic and social life?

Added to this, we’ll be expected to vote in the May 6th elections, but obliged to abide by Tier3 restrictions.

And then, the latest neverendum plans will be unveiled.

Truly, this is dystopia of the worst kind.

432649 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to wendyk, 11, #848 of 1532 🔗

As long as Johnson doesn’t extend the furlough payments it is all hot air from the loathesome Sturgeon. Today’s nespapers make very bad reading for Sturgeon and she also has to deal with the increasing fallout from the Alex Salmond case and the increasingly public stench of corruption. Go to the very pro SNP Wings over Scotland website and marvel at the venomous anti Sturgeon comments from the Nationalists; it makes wonderful reading:- Wings Over Scotland| The world’s most-read Scottish politics website

432678 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Guirme, 9, #849 of 1532 🔗

Guido Fawkes has a good summary of the latest intervention by the Crown Office in the Salmond affair.

’Something is rotten in the state of ‘ Sturgeonia.

We need rid of this cult, the sooner the better.

432732 ▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to wendyk, 4, #850 of 1532 🔗

I have now read it and made a formal complaint to the Crown Office regarding their censorship. The people of Scotland have a right to know when the First Minister is accused of lying. We have also a right to expect public bodies to act impartially.

432739 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Guirme, 1, #851 of 1532 🔗

O good for you! See my comment above for the link to the Spectator’s article about Blackford’s persecution of poor Charles Kennedy.

Truly, we are now in great danger of being trapped for the foreseeable future.

No effective opposition and Sturgeon appears to have evaded accountability once again.

432724 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to wendyk, 4, #852 of 1532 🔗

“I honestly can’t see this ending well; why on earth has she extended the confinement order for another 2 months?How does she propose to revive what’s left of economic and social life?”

Yeah that’s an easy one – the English taxpayer will be asked to foot the bill, as always.

432734 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to vargas99, 2, #853 of 1532 🔗

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/ian-blackford-begs-rishi-sunak-for-98billion-in-desperate-letter-scotland-needs-cash/ar-BB1dSK9V?item=flights%253Aprg-enterpriseblended-t%252C1s-ent-microsoft

Yes indeed; the awful Blackford has demanded more monry from the Chancellor, while continuing to dispense insults and aspersions.

What a truly awful bunch they are.

Read the Spectator’s article on Blackford’s shameful persecution of the late Charles Kennedy:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ian-blackford-and-the-hounding-of-charles-kennedy

432763 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to wendyk, 4, #854 of 1532 🔗

The Critic is actually a very good magazine. I subscribe and really find it worthwhile in general, plus I like the anti-lockdown/mask articles. You can get much of the content free online, but I found a good subscription deal and like to pay for journalism that I think is of good quality (there isn’t much).

The Critic is much more thoughtful, critical (!) and better researched than The Spectator , whose subscription I have just cancelled. I realise that The Critic , as a monthly magazine, is more likely to do a better job with research and writing than The Spectator , as a weekly, but I still think the latter has gone badly downhill, uncritically buying into the official (false) narrative. It wasn’t this bad at the beginning of the Rona episode.

Yes, Scotland just gets worse and worse. I try to hope that people will see through the SNP’s bullshit, but the Dear Leader has such a grip on most people that I don’t think any scandal would take her down, even video of her torturing kittens. The Salmond episode shows how Scottish institutions have been captured by the SNP and it speaks volumes about how poor the quality of Scottish democracy is. It really is like a banana republic without the (native) bananas.

Regarding our incarceration, I just hope that people will finally come out and protest, on a large scale, once the weather improves. That’s the only way out of this dystopia. The same goes south of the border. People will need to take a risk if they want this shitshow to end.

432843 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #855 of 1532 🔗

I never thought to see so many Scots effectively hypnotised by Sturgeon; I’m still baffled by it.

432867 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #856 of 1532 🔗

My subscription to Speccie ended today.When I cancelled explained why.Yesterday got a call from. Speccie offering me subscription for £3.99 a month. Again had to explain why. Are they haemorrhaging readers? Brillo being based in France doesn’t help.

432935 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to alw, #857 of 1532 🔗

Ha, ha – I got the same e-mail! I do wonder sometimes. It might be a coincidence, but the magazine’s perspective (sort of sceptical) changed with the Charles Stanley (wealth management) sponsorship deal.

432822 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to wendyk, 1, #858 of 1532 🔗

Re the article about face masks, I hate people who wear them with am anti mask slogan on. Either you are with it or not.

432895 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Silke David, 1, #859 of 1532 🔗

agree. If you wear them you are part of the problem

432625 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 30, #860 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ve kind of had it with arguing about numbers and graphs and models, there’s only one show in town and the Government is in thrall to it. I realise now that we are at a point where even zero Covid, literally zero, would make no difference when there’s always another model on the horizon predicting 5000 deaths a day or whatever.

So I find myself mourning our previous way of life in a more philosophical manner. Plato said attention to health is life’s greatest hindrance . I know exactly what he means.

If you suffer from chronic illness, it reduces your horizons somewhat. You are more fixed at home, it is difficult to exercise, a night out can be a mammoth undertaking that you pay for for days afterwards, you have to learn how to say no, how to pace yourself, and how to improve your situation in the face of an indifferent health service who sees you as a bit of a nuisance. You take to support groups, discover more functional medicine ways to help yourself and you realise how very little your regular doctor actually knows. Mentally, this constant search for health, for the best that you can achieve in the circumstances, is deeply unhealthy.

Our health service operates on the revolving door hypothesis; sick patients in, healthy or dead patients out. The patient stuck in the revolving door going round and round indefinitely is the one that clogs the system, and they have been increasing in number in recent decades.

What we have done over the past year, from my perspective, is reduce everyone to the status of the chronically ill, stuck in the revolving door, patient. The whole country is now fixed at home, wondering how they can escape their fate in the face of an indifferent Government. I want to slap them awake, shout at then – you are healthy! – you are wasting it all on a maybe. Maybe I’ll get Covid, maybe I’ll die.

Chronically ill patients are widely derided for being willing to try any old snake oil in case it works, in case it’s the miracle cure they’ve been searching for. How ironic I find it, that now I see the same people who derided me lining up for their own snake oil – vaccines, vaccine passports, mass testing – because it might just be the wonder cure that releases them.

News flash – there is no wonder cure. There never is. It’s much healthier to try and enjoy life, in the knowledge that it is brief, in whatever way you can. Mr FIFs mantra is it’s better to burn out than to fade away (Highlander of course).

432653 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #861 of 1532 🔗

“What we have done over the past year, from my perspective, is reduce everyone to the status of the chronically ill, stuck in the revolving door, patient.”

Very well put.

432628 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 44, #862 of 1532 🔗

This really is such a dangerous thing to be saying:

BBC live feed: (my bold)

England’s deputy chief medical officer, Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, has been speaking on ITV’s Good Morning Britain and Sky News this morning. In both appearances, he rejected claims the Covid vaccine could affect female fertility.

Asked whether women wishing to become pregnant could safely have a Covid vaccine, Van-Tam told Good Morning Britain there was a lot of “nonsense out there about fertility”.

“There’s just no evidence at all that there are any issues in relation to planning a family, or fertility,” he said.

“So if you’re in a risk condition and you’re called, then my advice would be to get on and take the vaccine.”

He said there was currently no extensive data about the use of the vaccine in women who are already pregnant but that did not mean it was unsafe. He said those at high risk from Covid could die from the virus and so it is sensible to have discussions with their doctor about the jab.

“It is just not biologically logical that they would [affect fertility],” he told Sky News.

“Secondly, no vaccine has ever done this.”

He doesn’t know that any of what he is saying is true!

The vaccines were not tested on pregnant people; Pfizer haven’t recommended it for pregnant women, and this prick is saying this. How on Earth can he get away with saying this?!

432636 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, 26, #863 of 1532 🔗

Van Tan is a psychopath. These statements will come back to him one day if there is any justice. Like the doctors who said Thalidomide was safe or that smoking is good for you.

432640 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Ceriain, 13, #864 of 1532 🔗

““So if you’re in a risk condition and you’re called, then my advice would be to get on and take the vaccine.””

W-What!?

433417 ▶▶▶ robnicholson, replying to Katabasis, #865 of 1532 🔗

How many pregnant women are at risk. I’m going to guess that they are under 50 and the majority are healthy? So if we fill Old Trafford and then add another three layers of seating, one person died of Covid in 2020? Why would they want to inject themselves where there is no compelling medical reason? The risk is not zero, they are still experimental drugs on emergency approval. It’s just not worth any risk. PS. Bad analogy as football matches are not 50:50 M/F

432646 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 17, #866 of 1532 🔗

He said there was currently no extensive data about the use of the vaccine in women who are already pregnant but that did not mean it was unsafe.”

What a fuckwit. Reductio ad absurdum is is that there is no extensive data about the use of the vaccine AT ALL but that does not mean it is unsafe. Indeed yes, but that’s now how vaccine safety works, is it Mr V-T? Vaccines are assumed to be unsafe until proven safe in trials.

432741 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 6, #867 of 1532 🔗

What’s the point in trials at all. Just hail Mary and get jabbed. We’ll work it out as we go

432661 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 11, #868 of 1532 🔗

If the media maggots were not state sponsored propaganda spreaders the script reader fronting the show should ask exactly what you have said.

Nobody knows because people are participating in a trial.

432662 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 6, #869 of 1532 🔗

“It is just not biologically logical that they would [affect fertility],” he told Sky News.

just skip the trials completely then

432663 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ceriain, 11, #870 of 1532 🔗

“Secondly, no vaccine has ever done this.”

Possibly not, but this is not a vaccine.

432716 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Old Bill, 4, #871 of 1532 🔗

Apart from Thalidomide

432665 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ceriain, 15, #872 of 1532 🔗

This.

Pregnancy
There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2.
Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine
BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.
For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women
of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.

From here. REG 174 INFORMATION FOR UK HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS

432669 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Ceriain, 12, #873 of 1532 🔗

He can say it because any drop in fertility won’t be put down to the vaccine, it’ll be attributed to the persons genetics. Any miscarriages within 28 days (or even 28minutes) of having the jab won’t be attributed to the vaccine. Should there be a spike in newborn disabilities or children within the next 5 years it will be put down to genetic issues etc. The ground work for this approach has been put in place for decades.

432815 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mike, 2, #874 of 1532 🔗

There are already a few instances recorded on the U.S. OpenVAERS website, as well as an anecdote on LS, of women having miscarriages within a few days of having g the jab. It may be a coincidence, it may not.
Despite people being stuck at home for months, the birth rate has been lower than expected over the last year.

432675 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #875 of 1532 🔗

Chunt !

432710 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 2, #876 of 1532 🔗

That’s horrific, why are so many 82 year old’s getting up the duff?

433103 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #877 of 1532 🔗

That made me laugh. I’m nearly 80 and I’ve had 15 phone calls and 3 letters for the vaccine so far ( all unanswered ) Next one I’ll answer and tell them I’m pregnant.

433491 ▶▶▶▶ click-clack, replying to Tillysmum, #878 of 1532 🔗

Brilliant!

432752 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Ceriain, 1, #879 of 1532 🔗

Just when I thought I couldn’t be more angry. My blood is boiling.

432755 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ceriain, 7, #880 of 1532 🔗

He may well be right, and the vaccine may not affect female fertility. However, is there currntly any long-term data on a woman who has been vaccinated subsequently conceiving and then bringing a healthy baby to term? Until there is, I think it is perfectly reasonable for those planning a family, or even just child-bearing age women, to refuse to take the vaccine.

432820 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Poppy, 1, #881 of 1532 🔗

Agree. was just weeks ago that there was certainly enough concern about the impact on fertility, amongst other things, that Yeadon and German Dr’s wanted serious questions answered:
https://principia-scientific.com/experts-halt-cv19-vaccines-over-infertility-other-health-concerns/

433017 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Ceriain, 5, #882 of 1532 🔗

“no vaccine has ever done this.”

Really. He clearly doesn’t know about Bill Gate`s track record…

https://humansarefree.com/2020/04/bill-gates-vaccine-crime-record-496000-paralyzed-children-in-india-and-more.html

“In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by GSK and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces.
Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders.”

“In 2010, Gates committed $ 10 billion to the WHO promising to reduce population, in part, through new vaccines. A month later Gates told a Ted Talk that new vaccines “could reduce population”.
In 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a phoney “tetanus” vaccine campaign.
Independent labs found the sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade”

432632 awildgoose, 2, #883 of 1532 🔗

US MSM ramping Spring Break gaslighting like clockwork:

As spring break approaches, public health experts urge caution (msn.com)

I love how we’re supposed to take weasel word salad as the gospel truth.

432634 eastberks44, 2, #884 of 1532 🔗

Anyone wondering how YouGov get their result on masks in classrooms, please check this out
https://twitter.com/snakeoilpussy/status/1364537847143874564

432637 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 62, #885 of 1532 🔗

Sinister comment just now from a customer:

“We have to convince all those who don’t want to be vaccinated, to have the jab”

No, no, no …

If me having a jab is a condition of him coming here, then he will have to find another coffee shop to go to.

432733 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 2, #886 of 1532 🔗

Trying to convince is fine by me

Coercion then mandation isn’t

432802 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to kh1485, 4, #887 of 1532 🔗

And my response would be: “Go ahead and try. Make my day.”

432639 isobar, replying to isobar, 7, #888 of 1532 🔗

On the ‘Woke’ front I have just got to the end of a survey being run on behalf on my professional society. I am faced with having to tick one these five boxes: Man, Non-binary, Woman, Prefer to self describe, Prefer not to say.

Have I missed something; what on earth does ‘Non-binary’ mean?

432655 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to isobar, 5, #889 of 1532 🔗

Isn’t there a ‘Prefer to be unemployed’ box?

432659 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Old Bill, 1, #890 of 1532 🔗

Like it!

432668 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to isobar, 2, #891 of 1532 🔗

You’re lacking any bits?

432682 ▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to isobar, 9, #892 of 1532 🔗

I’m non-binary, I’m technically hexadecimal as I can only have sex with 15 women at once

432728 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to CrazyHoarse, 1, #893 of 1532 🔗

I am so, so pleased to be able to say that should be ‘F’ women!

432695 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to isobar, 7, #894 of 1532 🔗

This simple graphic should help. 😉

432702 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ceriain, 1, #895 of 1532 🔗

Thanks for that I will take it to my next speed dating night.

432711 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Old Bill, 2, #896 of 1532 🔗

Helpful for identifying the thing sitting opposite you. 😉

433102 ▶▶▶ Cat Woman, replying to Ceriain, 1, #897 of 1532 🔗

Good to see Mayo in there 😂

432705 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to isobar, 2, #898 of 1532 🔗

Non-binary means has not committed suicide yet
they do eventually
That’s why we call then 42% ers

432770 ▶▶ jb12, replying to isobar, 2, #899 of 1532 🔗

It means you are an attention seeking teenager or a blue-haired gender studies ‘professor’.

432834 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to isobar, 1, #900 of 1532 🔗

Tell them you are a Lockdown Sceptic

432835 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, #901 of 1532 🔗

Prefer to self describe? Isn’t that exactly what that question is asking you to do??

Non-binary means you don’t recognise that there are two separate genders, so you can be whichever one you fancy at any one time. I think.

432643 Old Bill, 15, #902 of 1532 🔗

ATL headline is ‘Coronavirus Endgame’.

To me, we still seem to be Waiting for Godot.

432645 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 32, #903 of 1532 🔗

Dreaded MS teams call today, 1 colleague having her gene therapy next week. Cue lots of gushing, virtual back slapping and excitement as they can’t wait for their call up even though the majority of the team are are under 25. They also can’t wait for their summer holiday this year.

Me you ask, a squirrel climbing up a tree outside caught my attention, squirrels really are funny.

432686 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to stefarm, 8, #904 of 1532 🔗

Tell you you will send a bunch of flowers on the first anniversary of the second jab, or to the funeral, whichever comes first.

432722 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richy_m_99, 16, #905 of 1532 🔗

That did cross my mind as my immediate thought was, bollocks that means I’ve got to recruit someone new.

She is taking 3 days leave ‘just in case she has a reaction’

For fuck sake will you listen to yourselves I thought.

She is scared of potentially having 3 days in bed with the flu but is happy to have an expiremental vaccine that she knows might make her sick.

Absolutely loco.

432735 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stefarm, 9, #906 of 1532 🔗

It’s amazing how often I hear about this link between a potentially toxic injection and freedom, as if the govenment has guaranteed that the jab will set you free. I don’t recall hearing this and I wouldn’t trust it if I had. People are idiots. It sounds terrible to say it, but I really don’t care if they all suffer from serious side effects. They’ve given up any sense of agency and have become totally infantilised.

Yes, I think I would prefer watching the squirrel rather than focus on the meeting.

432797 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to stefarm, 5, #907 of 1532 🔗

Hahahaha we are totally fucked. How were we ever going to win our argument when this is how little people care about freedom.

432836 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to stefarm, 4, #908 of 1532 🔗

Yeah, I have to put up with a lot of this sort of nonsense as well. “Good news everyone. Looks like the jabs are making a big difference”, “I should be getting my jab soon. Can’t wait!”. Gullible, braindead fools. Incidentally has anyone noticed the widespread use of the word “jab”? I think this is deliberate to make it seem like this is entirely inconsequential. “Just a little jab, nothing to worry about…”

432946 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chicot, 1, #909 of 1532 🔗

Yes, good point another stupid word i refuse to use. One of the team had great delight in telling us that his mum had just had her ‘jab’ she was a bit light heading for a few days but she is always feels like that after an injection.

Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab….like being in a boxing match. I personally will be
ducking and weaving any jab that comes my way.

432840 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to stefarm, 1, #910 of 1532 🔗

I used to work selling coffee in a park, at the beginning and end of season watched a lot of squirrels. I once disturbed a couple of them having sex, not a pleasant experience.
So sad to read about the under 25 wanting to get jabbed. on one side I can understand they want to socialise, and propaganda has made it clear, the vaxx is the only option. But the blinkeredness is disturbing.

433254 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Silke David, #911 of 1532 🔗

Strangely enough, as I was reading this thread it occurred to me that these people looking forward to their “vaccinations” are behaving like teenagers looking forward to losing their virginity (“tonight’s the night” etc). Both experiences are liable to turn out less delightful than expected.

432650 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 10, #912 of 1532 🔗

I’m confused by 2 stated easing of restrictions announced by BJ on Monday evening. Under the regulations of 6th January I believed both of these were already permitted! Namely from 8th March up to 2 people can meet outdoors, and from 29th March people are able to meet up with one other household outdoors. Here is the extract from 6 Jan regs: or (iii) in a public outdoor place, with one other person who is not a member of their household, their linked household or their linked childcare household, and sub-paragraph (3) applies in determining whether a person is complying with the limits in this sub-paragraph; (d) to visit a public outdoor place for the purposes of open air recreation— (i) alone, (ii) with— (aa) one or more members of their household, their linked household, or (bb) where exercise is being taken as part of providing informal childcare for a child aged 13 or under, one or more members of their linked childcare household, or (iii) with one other person who is not a member of their household or their linked household,
If you are single and in a bubble with a household consisting of a couple, then I had interpreted the above to mean I could join my bubble couple for a walk so long as we maintained social distancing.
Now that they have heard the announcement they are saying we were acting illegally and the three of us cannot go for a walk together again until after 29th.
I have also been meeting another friend occasionally for socially distanced dog walks on occasions as per (iii). So why does BJ now say this relaxation doesn’t come in until 8th?
Which of us are misinterpreting the regulations?

432674 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to ShropshireLass, 4, #913 of 1532 🔗

Send a complaint to this lot, the Parliamentary Committee that has oversight of Statutory instruments:

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/149/statutory-instruments-select-committee

This is what they said recently about the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 3) and (All Tiers) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2021 (S.I. 2021/8) :

“The Committee considered it important to have confirmed on the record that a number of specific provisions of the guidance, despite being described by Ministers as “rules” and using imperative language, are in fact no more than guidance , and accordingly reports the Regulations for requiring elucidation, provided in the Department’s memorandum . (their highlighting)”

it’s in here:

https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/4492/documents/45243/default/

432832 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ShropshireLass, 4, #914 of 1532 🔗

I think you were previously allowed to meet up with one friend or linked household for exercise, but not to sit on a bench or chat. So dog walks with a friend are currently allowed.

The “easing” in 2 weeks will allow you to sit and have a coffee with one other person without having to stroll round and round the park. However I think it only applies to two people, not a bigger group, so strictly speaking on the 29th three people will still be illegal.

I wouldn’t worry about it, it’s all bollox. It’s hard to believe that a real human actually sat down and wrote those regs. They couldn’t be more confusing. Probably BJ himself doesn’t actually know what he’s made illegal or not.

I sat on a bench for an hour with a friend yesterday, lots were doing the same. No one batted an eyelid. I’ve also been for several walks with 3 or 4 other people. Ditto.

432857 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #915 of 1532 🔗

Don’t tell Boris, but on Saturday I met up with two family members in their home, then travelled halfway across the country to meet another friend in her home, and also met her son and her ex-husband who had come to drop off her son. I then travelled home about 20 miles and had two friends from my village round to my cottage for beers.

Am I now a bigger killer than Fred West?

432879 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cranmer, 5, #916 of 1532 🔗

Oh yes, forgot to say I drove 150 miles to my parents at Christmas and stayed for two whole weeks!! Which one of us has killed the most do you think?

Wish I knew as many sceptics as you however!

433212 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Cranmer, 1, #917 of 1532 🔗

Bwhahaha
i had 1) Christmas Eve party 2) New Year’s Eve party 3) been round a friends house for drinks 4) had my sister & her daughters to stay (twice) 5) mum came over for the day 6) allowed kids friends over on multiple occasions to play 7) all the kids in the village go on mass bike rides together

ARREST ME NOW!! hahaha
none of us have had the ‘rona

432845 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #918 of 1532 🔗

You are correct, Bozo is wrong.
Anyway, I believe Mental Health support groups were able to meet throughout this.

433165 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, #919 of 1532 🔗

Oh yes. And business meetings. And educational sessions.

432666 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 13, #920 of 1532 🔗

Now I see headlines about how GPs are expected to invite those on the Learning Disabilities Register to get experimented on errr I mean vaccinated. Are those with learning difficulties more clinically vulnerable from rona? Or is this just an attempt to boost the takeup by giving it to people less able to critically weigh up the possible downsides of this treatment?

432789 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CrazyHoarse, 3, #921 of 1532 🔗

It’s some stupid BBC cunt ‘celebrity’ though I’ve never heard of her called Joe Whiley.

432850 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to CrazyHoarse, 1, #922 of 1532 🔗

Learning disability is a stupid expression. It includes too many people.
And it is used in a pc way to describe people with severe physical and developmental disabilities.

432928 ▶▶ leggy, replying to CrazyHoarse, 1, #923 of 1532 🔗

Same people who were determined should be put in Do Not Resuscitate Orders.

433470 ▶▶ DomW, replying to CrazyHoarse, #924 of 1532 🔗

Thre is a name for this project: Assisting Kindly Those In Obvious Need – Tier 4

Or Aktion T4 for short.

432671 leggy, replying to leggy, 29, #925 of 1532 🔗

There’s an entertaining debate on Facebook right now about passports. Someone has tried to lay on the guilt by stating that we should all be jabbed to protect someone they know who cannot medically have vaccinations due to auto immune disease.

This has backfired spectacularly because the hardcore jabsters have jumped on insisting that no exemptions should be made and that this unfortunate person who cannot be injected should not receive a passport and should be excluded from society too. Just in case.

I know I shouldn’t take pleasure in it as these people have been deliberately psychologically damaged by their own govt. But it’s quite a spectacle to witness them now fighting between themselves. How on Earth does this all end?

432703 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to leggy, 4, #926 of 1532 🔗

Jabberwockies

Jabberwokeies?

Can’t decide which is better

432709 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to leggy, 10, #927 of 1532 🔗

I have two autoimmune conditions and I’ve had this argument with a work colleague.

Gee pal, thanks for basically wishing me dead! Have a nice day.

I guess ADE issues with prior vax don’t exist, neither do the pathological pulmonary tissue responses to the spike proteins the jab makes your body manufacture.

432713 ▶▶ Julian, replying to leggy, 13, #928 of 1532 🔗

I have autoimmune issues in my past and this is one of many reasons I won’t be getting jabbed but I wouldn’t dream of advocating others being forced to get jabbed for my benefit

It’s a bit like the whole “protect the vulnerable” shtick – who asked the vulnerable if they wanted to be “protected”?

432727 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 9, #929 of 1532 🔗

I have an autoimmune condition but the charities who represent are all over the vaccine in the UK. They encouraged members to get it as early as December. Disgraceful stuff.

I’ll push my exemption with my Doctor if needed. However, I’ll not be talking to anyone else about it. Ignore the talk and fight the coercion.

432893 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #930 of 1532 🔗

most of these charities are a disgrace. Rather give your money to the Free Speech Union

432714 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to leggy, 6, #931 of 1532 🔗

Probably ends with a lot more people with AI disease (from the jab), then they might regret their sanctimonious virtue signalling nonsense.

432720 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 9, #932 of 1532 🔗

Jump on there. Say that you believe these people are not only a danger to your health and should be vaxxed, but should be put in a permanent facility. They just get in the way.

Then see how these people react. Reverse psychology

432790 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #933 of 1532 🔗

Yes and we they get up tight about it just say “oh sorry I thought we were playing who is the biggest tyrant”.

432736 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, 4, #934 of 1532 🔗

Are they against animal testing?

All the 3 “vaccinations” have been tested on animals.

Are they vegan? Against GMOs?

In the AstraZeneca “vaccination” it contains products Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells.

Will that change their minds? Doubt it but give it a go.

432803 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Awkward Git, #935 of 1532 🔗

Actually, I thought the lab rats were waiting for the humans to try it first.

But maybe they did do animal tests in parallel …

432749 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to leggy, 26, #936 of 1532 🔗

‘This unfortunate person who cannot be injected should not receive a passport and should be excluded from society too. Just in case.’

Health apartheid. I never thought I would ever witness this in my lifetime. I wouldn’t be surprised if these psychopaths called for those who refuse to be interned in concentration camps, or exterminated. They don’t deserve to participate in society after all, because they won’t take the vaccine, so they’re a dead weight, right?

You can definitely tell that the atrocities of the first half of the 20th century are starting to fade from living memory, for we are wont to repeat them all over again.

432795 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Poppy, 10, #937 of 1532 🔗

I’m not sure the younger generations have been properly educated about what happened. They know Nazis =Very bad, but accuse anyone who believes in free speech and opposing censorship of being Nazis.

They are taught nothing of the atrocities committed by Communists around the world, e.g. Stalin, Cambodia, China, etc.
Many of these people are similar to the revolutionary communists. They haven’t yet got around to the killings, but some of them are working themselves up to it. Social ostracisation is the first step.

432784 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to leggy, 2, #938 of 1532 🔗

I can understand that this could be funny to watch, in a way, but it actually makes me more alarmed to know that this level of zealotry is out there.

432679 MizakeTheMizan, 3, #939 of 1532 🔗

The increase in deaths last year was exactly as predicted.

432680 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #940 of 1532 🔗

Mentioned yesterday, but this gives a more in depth analysis of the court decision to overturn, on appeal, the conviction of a man accused of obstructing police by refusing to give his name and address to enable a PCN to be issued under CoronaVirus Regulations.

https://www.bindmans.com/news/neale-v-dpp-the-right-to-silence-citizens-duties-and-coronavirus-regulations

Note that at the original magistrates hearing, he was found not guilty of the accusation of breach of the coronavirus regulations anyway, as he had a very good excuse for being outside his home without good reason. He didn’t have one !

432841 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #941 of 1532 🔗

Thanks I’ve bookmarked this for later reference, as I’m pretty sure we won’t be seeing it in the MSM. I’ll also be putting it on my local Great Reopening group on Telegram.

432972 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Richy_m_99, #942 of 1532 🔗

Thanks. Have read it and copied and pasted the link into my resources list. One never knows when such information could be needed.

432683 C S, replying to C S, 30, #943 of 1532 🔗

Seems people will do almost anything to be “allowed” to go on a summer holiday. Of course, this was the plan all along. Ask 100 people whether they are taking a vaccine to protect themselves (or misguidedly, others) or to allow themselves some degree of freedom post-jab, I bet a massive percentage fall into the latter group. And yet the sheeple dont ask themselves if it is all really worth it.

My mind is blown when friends tell me they will get jabbed so they can go on holiday this year. Imbeciles

432689 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to C S, 8, #944 of 1532 🔗

https://computingforever.com/2020/08/03/covidpass-is-coming-soon/
Covid pass is coming soon – August 2020

https://computingforever.com/2020/05/29/digital-immunity-passports-are-coming/
Digital immunity passports are coming – May 2020

Not like this wasn’t predicted, or as if all the propaganda wasn’t deliberately aimed at introducing precisely this outcome.

432696 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to LMS2, 7, #945 of 1532 🔗

We will find ways around the system. These Governments couldn’t run a bath
Any loopholes as they arrive will be posted on the private Gab group

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

432706 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to C S, 1, #946 of 1532 🔗

Sad as well.

432707 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to C S, 8, #947 of 1532 🔗

Going to be even funnier when all their holidays are dashed and trashed- jab or no jab
They ain’t ever getting off this gulag – they are not elite enough

432878 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #948 of 1532 🔗

Focus will shift to saving school starting, then saving Christmas. It’s all so feckin obvious

432742 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to C S, 10, #949 of 1532 🔗

It is utterly insane. Pre-2020, if you asked anyone why they get either themselves or their children vaccinated, and they said ‘So I/they can participate in society’ rather than ‘So I/they are protected from disease’, you would consider them mentally unwell.

432783 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Poppy, 1, #950 of 1532 🔗

It’s the progressive, collectivist mindset.

432912 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to C S, 1, #951 of 1532 🔗

Thanks for saying it like it is. Imbeciles.

432690 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 11, #952 of 1532 🔗

Our local B&Q. In the clearance bin are boxes and boxes of the Stay 2m Apart floor stickers. Do they know something?

432693 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to EllGee, 8, #953 of 1532 🔗

How much are they?
My carpet is getting very threadbare.

432698 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to EllGee, 2, #954 of 1532 🔗

Did the bin draw a crowd?

432730 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to EllGee, 15, #955 of 1532 🔗

Hmmm.. think the stickers might not actually stop someone getting covid?! 🙂

432824 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to EllGee, 1, #957 of 1532 🔗

Perhaps social distancing is being increased to 3m?

432694 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 7, #958 of 1532 🔗

Ian Collins currently talking about vaccines and vaccine passports with former Pathology Consultant, John Lee, on Talk Radio.

John Lee is disagreeing quite firmly with Collins,who has been regularly giving straw man arguments to those who are wary of having vaccines.

432737 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to LMS2, 7, #959 of 1532 🔗

Collins is a sanctimonious arsehole.

432759 ▶▶▶ Morse, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #960 of 1532 🔗

I thought Dr Lee totally owned Collins, who I wholeheartedly agree is an arsehole, Lee had some great rebuttals to Collins soundbites such as the contextless headline death figure.

432760 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #961 of 1532 🔗

Did you know he was born to a working class family?

432782 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to jb12, 3, #962 of 1532 🔗

I did not. He’s just extremely dismissive and rude at the hint of a conspiracy which makes him impossible to listent to.

433376 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to JHUNTZ, #963 of 1532 🔗

Haha, sorry I was abstruse. He mentions he is working class on every single broadcast he does. I think he thinks it makes him look like he is one of the people.

432708 awildgoose, 1, #964 of 1532 🔗

You’ll need to skip the rap vid that ends at 3:30, here is Dollar Vigilante with a good talk:

2021 The Great Reset, Lockdowns, Genocide and Censorship (lbry.tv)

I highly enjoyed the clips with the pop-up rubbish bag disguise and the person walking around in their own mobile tent.

432715 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 30, #965 of 1532 🔗

Basically folks, Johnson was given the keys back to this country by the EU, but straight away he handed them over to his Globalist overlords.

He does not represent this country, or the Conservative Party, or his political constituency. He only represents mega-rich, unelected Globalists, and he abides by their ideology. As do Hancock et al.

In summary, Johnson is guilty of High Treason, Sedition and Malfeasance. He should be charged under Article 61 of the Magna Carta.

432723 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 7, #966 of 1532 🔗

Or treason, the definition of treason in the various pieces of legislation that are still in force and have never been repealed is different than that in a standard dictionary.

In the 1351 Treason Act it states:

“Declaration what Offences shall be adjudged Treason.”

“if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, be adherent to the King’s Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm, or elsewhere”

Definition of adherent:  A supporter, as of a cause or individual

In the 1848 Treason Felony Act it states as an act of treason against Person of His said Majesty, His Heirs or Successors:

“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”

Definition of overawe:

Transitive Verb

: to restrain or subdue by awe

Definition of awe:

1: an emotion variously combining dread, veneration , and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime

2: archaic definition that would have been in use when the Act was written:

a : DREAD , TERROR

b : the power to inspire dread

Certain persons in Parliament and their advisors are increasingly likely and can be seen to be adherents that are linked in an almost incestuous web of finance and connections to a few organisations and individuals who’s names keep appearing over and over again when these links are looked at even superficially and these adherents have given them aid and comfort (reported openly are billions of pounds sterling “donated” to GAVI and WHO amongst others and many “ contracts” for vaccines given to companies that are connected to these adherents and the organisations they are supporting) and both Houses of Parliament seem to be overawed as this is the only logical reason they are silent and so supine up until now.

432762 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 4, #967 of 1532 🔗

So were all the people who got us into the EU in the first place
also
Major for Maastricht and Brown for Lisbon
Nothing will happen until the economy collapses
Then we get natural justice

432717 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #968 of 1532 🔗

Remember to watch out for this tomorrow – Hancock and Gove were ordered to appear before the Public Accounts Committee on the afternoon of 25th February 2021.

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1364501998935166982/photo/1

Will they turn up?

432738 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #969 of 1532 🔗

Nope! Already refused to turn up declined the invitation.

https://twitter.com/CommonsPACAC/status/1364236497226989571

432718 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #970 of 1532 🔗

Here’s on for those on here with children due to go to school soon:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wDhHMnFytf7YOBLMAx5Ff948g7ztuJ0C/view

433115 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #971 of 1532 🔗

Thanks AG

432726 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 47, #972 of 1532 🔗

I could cry right now. We have just met two families of sceptics – lovely, lovely people with delightful children. One of them just said to me:

“K, you know what the nicest thing about today has been, it’s that I haven’t seen anyone wearing a mask”

Out of the mouths of babes …

432816 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 9, #973 of 1532 🔗

I felt tears welling up the other day when I saw pictures in the Daily Mail of all the people out enjoying the mild weather in London. Hardly any masks to be seen.

The usual idiots in the comments, of course. I think that will actually get worse, as more people venture out, the True Believers cowering behind their keyboards indoors will begin to panic.

432731 Ceriain, 5, #974 of 1532 🔗

Johnson’s Roadmap – this way to Freedom

432748 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 16, #975 of 1532 🔗

I don’t understand the benefits of communicating with Ferguson. The only issue he has is the annoying impertinence of reality not complying with his models. The only communication should be a notice to attend a Nuremburg Trial

432788 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ken Garoo, 8, #976 of 1532 🔗

It’s probably water off a duck’s back to him but I think it’s important for all of these people to be reminded they are being watched

It’s also an opportunity to hone arguments and see what the other side is thinking, and also if the exchange is public then it can be shared with neutrals who can make their own minds up

432852 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #977 of 1532 🔗

i don’t know, i think his replies are quite revealing. Of a self-centered narcissistic sociopath.

432754 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #978 of 1532 🔗

For the international vaccine passport that IATA is discussing they are just following the lead of the WTTC.

https://wttc.org/About/About-Us

https://wttc.org/COVID-19/Safe-Travels-Global-Protocols-Stamp

It’s a bit strange as their “open letter to Governemnts” which was liek a long suicide note for the mass travel industry published last year has disappeared from their website. Wonder if their members CEOs have woken up to them yet – I did tell a couple of them about the letter and asked if they knew what the WTTC was doing in their name as they had signed this letter but got no reply.

At the time I wondered why the WTTC would take this stance and if the signatories to the letters and the company CEOs etc actually agreed with the WTTC stance and proposed measures or they were ignorant of them and had just agreed to send a letter without reading it or were willing/ignorant dupes.

I started looking at who was involved and a common them cropped up, here are a few examples:

From the WTTC website:

Gloria Guevara:

“part of the Future for Travel, Tourism and Aviation Global Agenda Council of the World Economic Forum (WEF)”

Tiffany Mishrahi:

“She recently completed an Executive Master in Leadership as part of the World Economic Forum’s Global Leadership Fellows Programme.”

Kathleen matthews:

“chaired the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council for the travel industry”

There are many links to the various UN organisations as well when going through the personal biographies.

So that explained it then.

432767 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #979 of 1532 🔗

Found their original letter now buried in the depths of the website and you have to really know what you are looking for:

https://wttc.org/COVID-19/Government-Policies/Global-coordination-to-save-the-sector

Here is their letter of the 17 Feb 2021 to Boris Johnson

https://wttc.org/Portals/0/Documents/Press%20Releases/Letter%20to%20Boris%20Johnson%20170221.pdf?ver=2021-02-18-083121-457

This is what they want:

1.An international coordinated approach,led by the UK, including public and private collaboration,to establish an international mobility framework to allow the safe movement of people and remove restrictions such as blanket quarantines, hotel-based requirements and travel bans.
2.Shift to individual traveller risk assessments instead of country risk assessments,to avoid importing and exporting the virus through robust testing, supported by technology,such as digital health passes, virus detectors and contact tracing systems, to ensure a seamless experience.
3.Reinforce health & hygiene protocols, including mandatory mask wearing,in addition to the vaccination roll out, as part of an integral solution.
4.Continued support for the sector, including, fiscal, liquidity and worker protection, with a clear strategy to resume economic activity and provide consistency and certainty, in addition to promoting the importance of the sector.

I guess as they are WEF controlled then this is the “new orders” so expect the hotel quarantine thing to end soon – you heard it here first.

432799 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #980 of 1532 🔗

This is all tied into the global warming cult
Even if we get out of Corona madness – next will be lockdowns to save the planet
The blueprint has been set

432915 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #981 of 1532 🔗

Didn’t Gates recently write a book on the subject of climate change and propose one of the solutions to slowing it was …..drumroll….lockdowns?

432889 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #982 of 1532 🔗

including mandatory mask wearing,in addition to the vaccination roll out, as part of an integral solution.

Interesting re masks. Anyone still wearing a mask because it is easier are part of the problem

432758 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #983 of 1532 🔗

Good news, the T4 scheme has rolled up, thanks to someone called Joe Whiley who is apparently famous:

All adults on GP learning disability register will get vaccine priority (msn.com)

432826 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FedupofLies, -1, #984 of 1532 🔗

The spastics have always been far to costly

432910 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #985 of 1532 🔗

Err Crystal Decanter – maybe you might want to delete or rephrase that remark? Even if made flippantly I hope on reflection you can see it was unpleasant and derogatory i.e. discriminatory.

432959 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ShropshireLass, -1, #986 of 1532 🔗

why is it? (s)he is only spelling out the thought processes behind this diabolical move: in doing so, she is speaking out on behalf of those with learning disabilities, – who have no opportunity to make informed consent, even if it were allowed, and who were first in line for the last episode of genocidal murder.

432968 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #987 of 1532 🔗

JaneHarry Using the word ‘spastics’ is derogatory and discrimination. (Check out the Equality Act 2010). The remark does not come across as speaking out on behalf of those with learning disabilities – hence my suggestion to delete or rephrase it. (PS. Was Chair of a countywide Disability Forum and served as a Trustee on 2 charities for disabled people, which meant I undertook a fair amount of training, so was commenting with a reasonable amount of knowledge.

432981 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JaneHarry, #988 of 1532 🔗

I think if we are going to do away with severely mentally damaged people, then it should be in the open and not underhand like this.

Thing is, I have known wankers who went to Shitford and Cuntbridge who had ‘learning difficulties’ in the form of dyslexia and such. They should be offed too.

432962 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #989 of 1532 🔗

Marcus Rashford squandered an opportunity there.

432761 Moist Von Lipwig, replying to Moist Von Lipwig, 8, #990 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know how to contact the admin of this page so perhaps someone can tell me how to.

Apologies if my observation has been made before.

I observe that both opponents and proponents of lockdown describe a slow exit from lockdown as cautious but why is that the case?

Surely a slow exit from lockdown is both reckless and damaging.

If someone said they were going to slowly stop self-harming, you wouldn’t describe them as cautious so why describe the excruciatingly slow exit from lockdown as cautious or careful?

432769 IvanDP, replying to IvanDP, 3, #992 of 1532 🔗

Roadmap???
June????
Am I right in thinking that this stupid Coronavirus legislation expires on 31st March?
By that reckoning, everything should go back to pre covid on 1st April 2021

But then again, what are the chances of that happening?

432775 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to IvanDP, 7, #993 of 1532 🔗

What are the chances of Boris Johnson delivering on his promise to revoke all coronavirus restrictions on 21 June 2021?

432780 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #994 of 1532 🔗

Same as his do or die Brexit promise, no wait – same as his Christmas promise, no wait – same as his no second lockdown promise, no wait…..

432791 ▶▶▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #995 of 1532 🔗

Same as the when the R rate is below 1 promise, no wait … first rule of R rate, we don’t talk about R rate.

432902 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Steve Hayes, #996 of 1532 🔗

Zero? Or zero minus even?

432778 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to IvanDP, 1, #997 of 1532 🔗

I believe LD legislation ends 31 March.

coronavirus Act is 2022 !

432785 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lindy, 7, #998 of 1532 🔗

They have been using the Public Health 1984 Act – an enabling act – for most of the restrictions. They can create SIs any time they like and lay them before Parliament later, because of the “emergency”. Nothing to stop them continuing to do this or doing it again.

433026 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Julian, 1, #999 of 1532 🔗

How can anyone still call this an emergency, one year after the first enactment.

432779 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to IvanDP, 1, #1000 of 1532 🔗

I’m sure they extended the lockdown powers to July. Honestly, i’ve lost track though they do what they want and the directives follow.

432792 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1001 of 1532 🔗

They learned early on they could just do whatever they wanted, and use Parliament to rubber-stamp it with backdated legislation. With a totally complicit media and Opposition, and a largely brainwashed population, it’s not too difficult.

432808 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to IvanDP, #1002 of 1532 🔗

The Gov web-site notes;
The government has laid 378 Coronavirus-related Statutory Instruments ( SIs ) before the UK Parliament.
That is a lot of legislation to unwind with a variety of dates, the current facemask regs go on to July. I rather think some of this legislation will unfortunately be around for quite a while!

432771 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 22, #1003 of 1532 🔗

On Good Morning Britain this morning Susanna Reid asserted: “History is always changing.” A rather pithy summary of Good Morning Britain’s respect for facts.

432851 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #1004 of 1532 🔗

Well it was on GMB, the memorial home for morons.

432774 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 27, #1005 of 1532 🔗

In May 2020 the chief medical advisor to HMG said the following at a press conference.-
A significant proportion of people will not get this virus at all at any point during the pandemic which will go on for a long time, of those who do, some of them will get the virus without even knowing about it asymptomatic, no symptoms at all, and we know that happens.
Of those that get symptoms, the great majority, probably 80% will have a mild or moderate disease, might not be bad enough for them to go to bed, not bad enough for them to go to the Doctor, an unfortunate minority will have to go to hospital, the majority of them will just need oxygen, and will leave hospital, and then a minority of those will need critical care, and some of them will sadly die, but that’s a minority, possible 1% even less than 1% overall, and in the high risk group, this is significantly less than 20%. To the great majority, even in the highest risk groups, if they catch the virus they will not die”.
Very little has changed in medical terms since that date, what has changed is HMG’s response to a virus that according to Boris’ road map plan (Feb2021 Living with the Virus #196) ‘ Like some strains of Flu Covid 19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population’
So why are ‘the great majority, probably 80%’ still suffering under restrictions and house arrest?

432805 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to yohodi, 14, #1006 of 1532 🔗

I remember sharing this video clip of Prof Whitty’s pronouncement a few weeks after he made it on Facebook, thinking that people would welcome it as good news. But instead I was shot down in flames for not taking this “pandemic” seriously enough, and it was disrespectful to those who are suffering from this awful virus. Unbelievable.

432812 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Quernus, 11, #1007 of 1532 🔗

It’s been a consistently bizarre feature of this whole charade that good news is shunned and vilified, like it’s dirty or something – they always have to argue against it, why don’t they want to hear it?

432837 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1008 of 1532 🔗

Because they are weak, unhappy people, unable to confront their own mortality. They revel in restrictions and gain a feeling of moral superiority in appearing to care about others, when all they care about is their own physical safety. Basically puritans in modern dress.

432950 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1009 of 1532 🔗

cos it’s a death cult

432823 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Quernus, 4, #1010 of 1532 🔗

These people are broken and nothing can save them
We will have to navigate these shattered souls for eternity

433141 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1011 of 1532 🔗

Not quite that bad. One of the aspects of Death is the healing of shattered souls.

432901 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Quernus, 4, #1012 of 1532 🔗

Exactly the same thing happened to me, even though I had also included the link to the PHE announcement of 19th March downgrading the risk of the virus and pointing out it did not meet the criteria to qualify as an epidemic! I was completely taken aback.

432776 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1013 of 1532 🔗

Uh oh!
According to the Beeb:

Education Secretary Gavin Williamson will lead a press conference at Downing Street later today. We will bring you more details when we have them.

I wonder what bollocks he’s going to come out with.

432828 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1014 of 1532 🔗

Poor Gav can barely speak so I won’t bother to tune in. He does brush up tidy though, so I guess that’s something in his favour.

432849 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1015 of 1532 🔗

probably something along the lines of: Mask the children, test the children, vax the children; keep the children in school for 10 hours a day so they can catch up.

432871 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to vargas99, #1016 of 1532 🔗

Teachers will be looking more money so

432786 Ceriain, 10, #1017 of 1532 🔗

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In Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has been giving her first briefing since announcing her own roadmap for exiting lockdown yesterday.

She says the Scottish government will move faster to ease the lockdown than the timetable laid out, if it is safe to do so.

The first minister says she is aware comparisons are being made with England, where the easing of restrictions is expected to happen more quickly but she says Scotland’s slower approach worked better last year.

Unlike Boris Johnson, Sturgeon says she doesn’t want to give a date for when all restrictions will be lifted, because she would be, as she puts it, “making it up”.

As opposed to the “ telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth ” that she’s been doing for the last year. /sarc

432793 bebophaircut, 6, #1018 of 1532 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flJGye7JY08

JAMES DELINGPOD interviews TOM WINNIFRITH

… journalist, free thinker, exposer of financial fraud, editor of TomWinnifrith.com, writer for ShareProphets.com – chats with James about Greece, death threats, his late uncle Christopher Booker, disgraced fund manager Neil Woodford and discovering that your Tory MP is having a relationship with a goat.

432794 isobar, replying to isobar, 23, #1019 of 1532 🔗

A DM story from yesterday, I just wanted to flag up the best rated readers comment. Isn’t that what us LDS have been saying for some time?

‘Even Prof Lockdown thinks we could go faster: Boris Johnson slaps down Neil Ferguson and Tories pushing for earlier end to restrictions – but Jacob Rees-Mogg says there IS ‘flexibility’ on roadmap’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9290025/Matt-Hancock-slaps-Neil-Ferguson-speeding-roadmap.html

Best rated comment 2945 upticks 477 downticks

“There needs to be both a public inquiry and a criminal investigation into Hancock, Ferguson, SAGE and Johnson when the dust settles on this. It’d be interesting to see how much they are profiting from prolonging the lockdowns.”

432801 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, 6, #1020 of 1532 🔗

As above – they don’t have a f*cking clue what anyone else is thinking, let alone saying. In fact I don’t think most of them even know what they think themselves – if they think at all, that is.

432827 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1021 of 1532 🔗

They probably don’t! Either way, of late they do seem to have lost it with the public if recent comments in the DM, DT and Sun are anything to go by. Probably more representative than the dreaded YouGov surveys.

432809 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to isobar, 3, #1022 of 1532 🔗

Interesting that Handjob says they need 5 weeks to assess the results; the SAGE report says it needs a minimum of 3, so not necessarily as much as 5.

9. It would take a minimum of three weeks after lifting one set of restrictions to determine whether it is safe to take the next step. The lower the prevalence when a relaxation step is taken, the more capacity and time there would be to respond if it becomes apparent that the relaxation of measures is leading to an unsustainable rise in hospital admissions.

432819 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1023 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I noticed that too. Maybe there is some flexibility but sadly I doubt it.

432796 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 60, #1024 of 1532 🔗

So it’s Wednesday, and the road map was “unveiled” two days ago, on Monday.

Since then we’ve had Hancock telling us that lockdown could be lifted later than promised depending on the data, and Boris and Ferguson (no less) telling us that lockdown could be lifted earlier depending on the data.

The exit from lockdown is both irreversible and reversible. Don’t argue.

Zero Covid is impossible and we will live with the virus like flu, whilst simultaneously implementing Zero Covid policies such as border control and quarantine and introducing mass testing and vaccine passports.

Meanwhile masks might be gone by July, or we might still be wearing them in 2025. Wearing a mask will protect others and save lives, but one mask isn’t enough so we need to wear two. Kids don’t spread it and schools are safe so they need to wear masks for 7 hours straight and be tested several times a week.

And the vaccines are simultaneously amazing and extremely effective, but won’t be enough to prevent a summer surge of 4000 deaths per day, because the virus both is and definitely isn’t seasonal and this summer will be twenty times worse than last summer when we didn’t have vaccines or lockdown.

The vaccines of course are there to protect us, just like the NHS, but we need to protect them by staying locked down.

Making perfect sense as ever.

432804 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1025 of 1532 🔗

Got my beekeepers hat on order from e-bay for the summer
might as well have some fun with face coverings

432897 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1026 of 1532 🔗

Saw a great photo compilation on a FB group where someone had made a mask out of a horse’s old hay net, another out of a cut up fish-net stocking, and yet another from a wide-meshed net curtain. All as equally effective as the ones sold in shops and off the internet of course. 🙂

432908 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1027 of 1532 🔗

Whilst I disagree with the slave rag a comedy mask can be quite fun at times
need to keep ourselves smirking

432969 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1028 of 1532 🔗

Wore a Victorian mourning veil last year on the twice I couldn’t get out of wearing a face covering

432810 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, #1029 of 1532 🔗

Keep ’em guessing.

432821 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1030 of 1532 🔗

If you can’t convince them, confuse them.

433033 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, #1031 of 1532 🔗

Doublethink is a requirement for any Covid true believer.

432813 isobar, 18, #1032 of 1532 🔗

Chickens come home to roost at the ‘National Covid Service’ . Best rated readers comment says it all.
NHS will take YEARS to get back on top of record-long waiting lists for routine operations: Top experts warn delays to treatment caused by coronavirus are an ‘absolutely massive problem’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9294555/NHS-YEARS-record-long-routine-operations-waiting-lists-Covid.html

Best rated readers comment: 117 upticks 6 downticks

‘Our whole lives have been totally messed up trying to protect this NHS for nothing!! Now our lives will be messed up for years to come , worked out well didnt it Boris!!’

432818 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1033 of 1532 🔗

Boy, it’s pretty scary looking at what is happening in Israel but here’s a summary of the latest anyway from https://www.timesofisrael.com/ : (My highlights)

Ministers reinstate compulsory hotel quarantine for arrivals from abroad Including this: However, travelers carrying documentation showing they have completed the two-shot virus vaccination, or those who have recovered from the disease, will be able to skip quarantine provided they have a virus test just before, and on arrival in the country, with both tests being negative.

And elsewhere:

  • The Health Ministry will begin a pilot program to allow returnees from abroad who do not want to quarantine at government-run hotels to isolate at home with an electronic bracelet.
  • The Knesset gives final approval to controversial legislation allowing the Health Ministry to give local authorities personal details of r esidents who have not been vaccinated against the coronavirus….for the purpose of promoting inoculation.
  • Ministers approve nighttime curfew over Purim , beginning at 8:30 p.m. – as virus transmission rate rises.
  • In another development related to proposed legislation to aid the vaccination program, Channel 13 reported Tuesday that the Histadrut Labor Federation and leaders of private commercial business were close to agreeing on a memorandum of understanding that will allow employers to ban workers who are not vaccinated from coming into work.
432870 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1034 of 1532 🔗

The silence on this is absolutely defeaning and frightening. Is Israel the test bed for this then? Anyone know what the general mood is in the country?

432890 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1035 of 1532 🔗

No idea of the mood there, but Australia seem to be suffering similarly. Worth reading the letter to which VickyA included a link to see how one of their citizens feels about the situation in Oz: https://www.nutritruth.org/single-post/an-open-letter-to-prime-minister-scott-morrison-who-likes-to-be-known-as-scomo

432906 ▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1036 of 1532 🔗

It’s similar to everywhere else… a small minority saw through this and predicted where the shit show would end and slowly slowly the comatose masses are beginning to wake up to the fact that they are being used as rats in a lab for fascist totalitarian control of every aspect of their lives.

As always, a small awakened group is holding the space for the bigger crowds to catch up to this reality check and… bring the fascist scheme to implosion.

Mind you, new elections on the way, people have been protesting against Bibi left, right and centre, and presumably like elsewhere law suits against discrimination are under way, as fake covid certificates are making the rounds. Once there will be new cases known despite the miracle vaccines or for that matter the bigger truths about vaccines backfiring and harming people, the push back will be amplified.

The irony of this reverse fascism in Israel out of all places shouldn’t be lost on anyone. Why is no MSM picking this up? Because they would need to say it like it is.. that a Covid vaccine certificate of an experimental “vaccine” that is actually gene therapy is unethical and the methods of a totalitarian fascist state at work. And if they say that about Israel they would need to say it about the UK…US…Germany… and also they can’t be seen as calling anyone Jewish fascist… that’s part of the problem.

But the reality check is coming for everyone. Everyone will need to face what this is and make a choice. EVERYONE.

432882 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1037 of 1532 🔗

Israel is not a reputable country so couldn’t care less what they are doing
Hi JDF and 77th btw xxx

432923 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1038 of 1532 🔗

It’s of interest because it’s being used as a test case to see what they can get away with elsewhere.

433013 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1039 of 1532 🔗

I think it is a possibility, if “Israel” accepts even with their history it then everywhere else should, will be the narrative.

433200 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1040 of 1532 🔗

I care, I bet there are many sceptics in that Country frightened out of their wits. I know I would be if it get’s that ugly here and it’s warming up to it.

432887 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1041 of 1532 🔗

Bloo* Hel*. Is their government one of the 30 who signed up to the WEF’s Great Reset? If not, someone emailed them a copy of the WEF’s Fourth Industrial Revolution strategy and Digital ID plans by the sounds of it. Think our government are well down the line with this too. Don’t forget we are officially signed up to be one of the countries taking the lead on Schwab/Gates/Fauci plan delivery programme – and Gove attended the WEF January conference (via Zoom this year) AND was one of their key speakers. He is in charge of the Covid-passports project. Hmmm!

432999 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1042 of 1532 🔗

But they are run by the Chabad or Ashkenzis so at the forefront of all this.

433201 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Awkward Git, #1043 of 1532 🔗

Yes, i’d have thought they’d have given the Jews a pass though. Clearly not.

432825 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 17, #1044 of 1532 🔗
432831 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to VickyA, 4, #1045 of 1532 🔗

Brilliant

432883 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to VickyA, #1046 of 1532 🔗

VickyA That was an excellent read, enjoyed smirking throughout. So tempted to copy and paste most of it and send to BJ

432894 ▶▶▶ VickyA, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1047 of 1532 🔗

I’m sure the author won’t mind adapting for use …shame to waste it!

432977 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to VickyA, 1, #1048 of 1532 🔗

Such a great letter – particularly the twist about participating in the vaccine roll out (no spoilers from me)

433119 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to VickyA, #1049 of 1532 🔗

Nice twist. 🙂

432829 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1050 of 1532 🔗

Never thought I would ever have anything in common with Alexander Salmond but we’ve been given the same slur as an insult – we’re both conspiracy theorists!

Seems to be the latest in fashion insult.

Hopefully he’ll wear it with pride like I do.

433002 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Awkward Git, #1051 of 1532 🔗

I prefer Theoretical Conspiracist. Sounds much more academic.

432830 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 22, #1052 of 1532 🔗

I can’t wait till lockdown ends and I can stop using the internet for information and rely on more trustworthy, impeccable sources…like a bloke I met in the pub.

432842 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #1053 of 1532 🔗

The bloke in the pub would be more reliable than this government and SAGE

432833 liztr835, replying to liztr835, 4, #1054 of 1532 🔗

Advice needed, I have an elderly relative I want to get down for a visit, but he would have to travel to me via the tube, then to London Waterloo, and on another train to me from there. Even though he is in my “Support Bubble” I am worried about him getting stopped at Waterloo station, does anyone know how likely it is he will get through with no trouble on a Saturday

432844 ▶▶ Julian, replying to liztr835, 18, #1055 of 1532 🔗

London is full of people coming and going in cars, trains, bikes, taxis, on foot. I think you’d be pretty unlucky to be spoken to by a cop unless you really stuck out, and in any case there’s no law regarding how far you can travel as part of your “reasonable excuse”

Staying local is GUIDANCE

432865 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to liztr835, 5, #1056 of 1532 🔗

Send him a fake invoice or something. He can show it as he is collecting a vintage antique or something for business.

432866 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to liztr835, 9, #1057 of 1532 🔗

I’ve read and heard of pretty genuine (I think) accounts of people being in support ‘bubbles’ (how I hate that infantile term) 200 miles apart. (No reason for them to lie.) There’s nothing in the guidelines to say you have to be near each other. He only has to say you’re his support bubble as there is no-one else nearer if he’s stopped. Up to the individual who they choose to bubble (grrrr) with..

433081 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1058 of 1532 🔗

My “support bubble” involves a 450 mile round trip once a month. By car so less scrutinized (which I why I got it.)

432872 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to liztr835, 3, #1059 of 1532 🔗

Chances of being stopped by a police constable are virtually zero. Only time any questions might be asked is if he’s involved in something else (crime, accident etc) that the police attend. Even then all he has to say is he’s visiting his bubble and that’s it.

432880 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to liztr835, 4, #1060 of 1532 🔗

He can travel wherever he likes: there is nothing in the law about domestic travel. If questioned, he would just need to say that he is on his way to his support bubble.

432888 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Alethea, 4, #1061 of 1532 🔗

If you need to travel any distance and don’t want any hassle, look on Rightmove and find a house for sale in the area you are going to. Book a viewing, then when you get where you are going, cancel it.

Cops stop you, you are legally travelling to view a house, and have the family with you as that is not a decision to be made alone.

432899 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to liztr835, 3, #1062 of 1532 🔗

If he/she is white will probably get water cannoned

433049 ▶▶ richmond, replying to liztr835, #1063 of 1532 🔗

Bus/taxi to Clapham Junction and catch the train from there.

432838 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1064 of 1532 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/news/woman-91-who-contracted-covid-19-days-after-getting-first-vaccine-shot-is-pulling-through-40127710.html

TLDR – she got COVID 6 days after getting the “vaccine” but there is no connection between the two. Honest.

432863 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1065 of 1532 🔗

Remember how they shouted from the roof tops when any sign of a possible reinfection was located anywhere in the globe? To stoke further fears? That’s how diagnostic they can be when it suits them.

But for the vaccine it’s just a case of nothing to see here. Bastards

432839 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 26, #1066 of 1532 🔗

All this bollocks about a “vaccine passport” – that’s exactly what it is, isn’t it? Bollocks. I suspect what’s happened is that the government has come to the conclusion that a significant number of young people will reject the vaccine. Maybe they’ve been doing some polling, or maybe they’re just going on the word of “experts”. Regardless, they need to do something to encourage (browbeat) the yoof into accepting the jab. Note the mention of “entry into nightclubs” as part of the propaganda. So it’s a case of “you can’t go into nightclubs unless you’re vaccinated, and we’ll make sure that’s how it works”. But how would it work? Any meaningful system would have to employ photographic identification. Otherwise people would just share paper certificates, or lend others their mobile phones. Can you imagine the government trying to implement such a system? And implement it before 21 June? No chance! It was going to take Blair and Blunkett years to get their ID card system up and running. So while we may get a paper certificate to go in our passport for international travel, the idea that you’ll need a “vaccine passport” in any domestic situation is pie in the sky – isn’t it?

Also, just who would be protected? If a large percentage of the population is vaccinated, a proof of vaccination would only protect the minority who aren’t jabbed.

PS: I’ve been dramatically wrong so far in my predictions about how this shitshow will pan out. 🙁

432859 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1067 of 1532 🔗

They’ve already spent 22bn designing the system, under the cloak of Track and Trace.

432869 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1068 of 1532 🔗

And look what a balls-up that was.

432884 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1069 of 1532 🔗

The best bit is that they shut all the places where you would use said ‘world beating system’. Now, that’s making sure!

432951 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1070 of 1532 🔗

There was a fake app available within a week

432873 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tenchy, #1071 of 1532 🔗

to take a leaf from Yes Prime Minister announce a review and wait till that reports

432988 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1072 of 1532 🔗

40 years ago, a Yes Minister episode included a proposed EU-wide ID card – it still hasn’t happened. As well as the UK, Denmark and Ireland are still in the EU and don’t have one. From what I can gather maybe they never will.

433023 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to John001, 2, #1073 of 1532 🔗

And all of those storylines were more real than anyone imagined. I once had a tour guide on a holiday who was a senior civil servant in his former life. He swore that when Yes Minister was on, the real ministers would be quaking, afraid of who was the butt of the joke that particular week.

432874 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1074 of 1532 🔗

Life finds a way
so does freedom

432926 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Tenchy, 23, #1075 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I agree, and have been alarmed at how people seem to think this ‘vaccine passport’ is a done deal. The logistical obstacles are huge, not to mention the legal and ethical challenges. Much of the support we see now is driven by hysteria, and this will fade as the virus fades in the spring.

I just don’t have the ‘bandwidth’ to worry about every aspect of this shitshow and while I do understand that we are facing significant and lasting threats to our freedom, the main problem is the erosion of the culture of freedom, and that has been taking place for some time, not just since March 2020. This is what I worry most about. We need to focus on getting people to realise how precious freedom is so that they learn to appreciate it and will come to value it when, at some point in the future, it does become logistically possible to bring about this dystopian nightmare and the legal hurdles are all that stand in the way.

Currently, we do not even have an ID card system in the UK, something that would be required to enact an internal ‘passport’ system. Many people do not have smartphones, or a compatible model, or one that is fully charged and functional at all times, etc, etc. The dystopian nightmare people worry about would require a smartcard or (more likely) a microchip implanted somewhere (probably between the thumb and finger). It would need to be independent of a power source and would need to be provided for free or at a very low cost by the state.

Something like this is years away. Yes, it is a concern, but we are not there yet. Yes, we must fight this – and we will – but I wish people would be more realistic about where things are right now and could stop catastrophising constantly. It’s not helpful. Indeed, I think it will be very difficult to get an international version off the ground anytime soon, and many countries, eager to re-start their tourism sectors, would probably not want to participate. Good luck getting an international standard together, on short notice, that is widely recognised, given the increasing number of ‘vaccines’.

432847 Basics, 7, #1076 of 1532 🔗

fregusson appears to me to have an uncontrollable addiction. Paraphrasing – 99% of scientists think the same as him he spouts, how limited in his thought patterns to reach for a made up percentile point, 99% of all statistics are made up… is he addicted to this pattern of thought? It recurrs with him doesn’t it.

Is this why in interviews he presents like a burned out freak who can barely keep his eyes open, stammering and stuttering having others fill in the blanks for him?

Projects motivated thinking onto the conscientious objecting lockdown community as though the plague wizard is of but the purest fine logic. What a wretch this creature is. He has all the motivational greed he needs to feed his pay masters with the data they want to hear. Working for free are you mr purest thoughts of logic. No contamination in your science, what a weak, pathetic man .

432848 Allen, replying to Allen, 21, #1077 of 1532 🔗

The end game is control over everything. If anyone thinks there will be an end to this madness without a mass uprising that results in the crimes being exposed and prosecuted they are delusional.

That the PTB have been able to essentially tell much of the world to stay in their houses, allow their children to be destroyed for a year, allowed many businesses to be destroyed permanently and that so many have passively done so has given there tyrants more power. They have “normalized” house arrest by simply “re-purposing” the flu.

There is not now nor has there ever been an epidemiological or viral emergency event of any sort anywhere in the world in the year 2020.

The manufactured perception that there was such an event is an artifact of mass media manipulation, behavioral conditioning techniques and social engineering. All of this made possible through institutional programming and accelerated media messaging disallowing basic cognitive processes and eliminating critical thinking possibilities.

What we are in the midst of is a planned total economic collapse. This economic collapse was inevitable, Western governments are putting the security infrastructure into place, trying to proactively control the inevitable social disorder which will result from this collapse. To be followed by a global financial reset, after a period of hyperinflation, which destroys both the value of debt and the corresponding paper claims.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this corrupt economic system only delayed the inevitable. In the Fall of 2019 the crisis began to rapidly unravel again.
There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production which showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

The Repo market is where banks borrow money each day so that they have 10% liquid assets at the end of each day. If they do not have 10% liquid assets they are not allowed to open the next day. Around the middle of September the Fed started pumping $20 billion per day into the Repo market to keep interest rates down so banks could borrow the money to stay in business. By the end of December the Fed was pumping over $100 billion per day into the Repo market and it was not enough.

Simply everyone on Wall Street was loaded with enormous debt and was holding on to US cash to be able to service it refusing to finance purchases of foreign currencies and then US currency as Repo Market froze at 10% interest on overnight Repo loans as US treasury bonds and even US bills were rejected as collateral for Repos.

In fact what happen in March 2020 was just the spread of the liquidity crisis from primary dealers markets (TBTF banks and Hedge funds were actually bailed out in September) toward all other stock, commodities, bonds CLOs, MBS etc, as well to Ponzi schemes called today ETF funds, not to mention structured derivative products traded on proprietary platforms nominally representing up to several thousands of $$$ trillions.
When US treasury bonds and even USTB became illiquid due to exponential growth of public (but most of all private) dollar debt while the FED was sucking up cash from financial markets by tempering QE (called QT ) between 2017 and 2019 reduced FED balance sheet from over $5 T to $3.9T by selling assets, all hell broke loose. Something drastic had to be done.

And hence the FED started to “buy all worthless shit for double the price”, Gates’s and Silicon Valley oligarchic gang took over the media, and Orwellian shrinks and doctor Fauci-Mengeles came to the “rescue” unleashing operation COVID.

COVID phenomenon cannot be understood without understanding the un-televised 2019-2020 unprecedented financial collapse threatening the entire global financial system. The COVID fraud timing became necessary as the world markets were faced with an emergency debt crisis that popped up in formerly mostly liquid markets: Repo markets, money markets and FX markets.

The entire House of Cards was falling for six months and could not be stopped so COVID hysteria was manufactured to cover up what amounts today to $11 trillion of FED bailout in cash, stock boost via POMO and guarantees of value of collateral used in structured derivatives.

The end game is that the central banks (Fed) will buy all the toxic, worthless debt from the hedge funds and banks, including the 1.5 quad trillion of derivatives, and then transfer the debt to the treasury as sovereign debt. Then print money to infinity to service the fictitious debt to sink the dollar via hyperinflation and then foreclose on the US and everyone else holding debt in worthless dollars.

432898 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Allen, 1, #1078 of 1532 🔗

Sadly, I fear this is the only scenario/theory that makes any sense.

432940 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Allen, 2, #1079 of 1532 🔗

Would make a tedious script for a film. And like most movies seems to think the world centres on the USA. Hard to see what was in it for Italy and Spain

433028 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to concrete68, 2, #1080 of 1532 🔗

Italy and Spain are provinces of the American empire as are we.

433175 ▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Allen, #1081 of 1532 🔗

Agree.

432854 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1082 of 1532 🔗

Was just thinking about the Monty Python Twit of the Year sketch and thought I would offer a new title for a MP type sketch: JOTY: Jerk of the Year. I think it would come down to the wire, probably a photo finish. Any nominees?

432858 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1083 of 1532 🔗

Upper or Lower, it doesn’t matter.

432860 wendyk, 2, #1084 of 1532 🔗

https://unherd.com/2021/02/what-lockdown-stole-from-us/

Freddie Sayers’ musings on lockdown and the exit therefrom.

432861 Sam Vimes, 6, #1085 of 1532 🔗

Am I ignorant of the coronavirus regulations, or just indifferent to them? I don’t know and I don’t care!

432868 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 3, #1086 of 1532 🔗
432948 ▶▶ jos, replying to wendyk, 5, #1087 of 1532 🔗

It’s a brilliant overview but it does ignore the elephant in the room: if this virus is so clearly not a deadly pandemic, either the government and SAGE are truly stupid or they always knew this, were meticulously following another agenda and are inherently evil. I know which one I’d go for..

432975 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to jos, 2, #1088 of 1532 🔗

Or it is a sophisticated cover up.

432992 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Steeve, 2, #1089 of 1532 🔗

A cover-up of what?

433047 ▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to jos, 2, #1090 of 1532 🔗

global financial collapse last september 2019

433089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to kate, #1091 of 1532 🔗

So is the whole WEF / Great Reset / Agenda 21 / technocracy story part of the cover up or part of the financial reset plan?

432885 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1092 of 1532 🔗

I know that no one trusts the roadmap, but it looks a lot like England will be getting some freedoms back at least 1-2 months before Scotland and by the time she unlocks we’ll barely be out of it before Winter. It’s like dejavu of 2020.

432907 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #1093 of 1532 🔗

My impression is that the mere suggestion of bench-sitting and eventual outdoor pub-going has had the intended effect of appeasing the masses (and many Conservative backbenchers) while avoiding any obligation to follow through. Krankie doesn’t need to bother with any of that theatre.

432892 Hoppy Uniatz, 19, #1094 of 1532 🔗

So I was on the Tube this morning, mask free I’m glad to say, and sat down in an end seat. Upon which, a masked woman two seats away pointedly got up and moved away a further seat, leaving me to wonder if she does the same thing e.g. if someone is wearing a calliper.

432896 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1095 of 1532 🔗

Increase in proportion of covid deaths that were in care homes (since vaccination)

It was suggested by a Director of Public Health in a reply to Kate in relation to the UK Medical Freedom Alliance report further down the comments, that the increase in covid deaths in care homes was down to an increase in covid deaths in all settings including care homes.

I did post a reply to that claim there but I think it got lost in the comments, so apologies for reposting.

However if it was purely down to increased numbers of covid deaths in all settings then you would perhaps expect that while the absolute number of covid care home deaths would go up, the proportion of covid deaths occurring in care homes would stay constant over time relative to other settings.

While the proportion of non-covid deaths that took place in care homes remained roughly constant since vaccination started, the proportion of covid deaths that occurred in care homes post vaccination had a very steep rise. See the attached chart.

There are a number of possible explanations for this, but this does needs explaining.

It is worth saying that it does appear a significant number of people are testing positive for covid in the immediate weeks following vaccination, which might be because they become more susceptible to infection, because infection enters from the staff doing the vaccinations, or because vaccination causing residents to test positive.

I’m not sure of the precise timing of vaccinations in care homes to assess how that fits in with the increase.

432978 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1096 of 1532 🔗

It is strange that scientists, never mind if critical or on the message, have absolutely no explanations for any of these scenarios, especially the correlation between vaccination and testing positive.
This really should be examined in more detail with post mortems carried out if the family agrees.

433029 ▶▶ kate, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1097 of 1532 🔗

It could be that the vaccination causes recipients to test positive for coronavirus.

Or the vaccine could reduce the recipients immunity (we know the pfizer vax does this)

So the positive tests are really due to an epidemic of other respiratory viruses in the care home that would normally be held in check by healthy immunity in that community.

In this case the residents would be suffering from normal flu or pneumonia, but testing positive (we know this happens)

432905 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 3, #1098 of 1532 🔗

Elite footballers from the UK cannot travel to Germany for an elite football match full stop, end of. Too risky!. After some chit chat. I tell you what you can all meet up in Hungary and have a game of footie there.

432973 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steeve, 6, #1099 of 1532 🔗

The Germans are so petrified of the British Variant that I fear it will be a very long time before I see my family again as I will refuse tests or a vaccine.
Of course the fear is totally without any reason, as +tests and hospitalisations are falling quite dramatically.

432979 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Silke David, 4, #1100 of 1532 🔗

Are they really that frightened of the British Variant? I mean it could sneak in via the back door during one of these matches being played in Budapest.

433008 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Silke David, 3, #1101 of 1532 🔗

Wancock should have thought of the implications when he spouted off about all the dangerous mutant variants in the UK.

433036 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1102 of 1532 🔗

It would be expecting too much for Wancock to think sensibly.

433154 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1103 of 1532 🔗

Thought don’t make me laugh the cunt never had one.

433156 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1104 of 1532 🔗

In trying to scare the British people, he largely failed but succeeded in scaring the rest of the world.

432909 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #1105 of 1532 🔗

German Whistleblower on care home vaccine deaths. Ask yourself one question, if even footage like this is buried, why?
https://lbry.tv/@shortXXvids:e/Berlin-Care-Home-Vaccine-Deaths—Whistleblower-report:f

432924 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #1106 of 1532 🔗

My husband found a girl he works with in tears on Monday. Her 87yo grandad had the AZ vaccine on Saturday. By Saturday night he had a fever. By Sunday he didn’t recognise anyone and had total amnesia. Despite his age he had no underlying health issues and was not suffering from dementia. He’s currently in hospital in Derby having tests. Coincidence or connected? Sounds highly suspect to me.

432929 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #1107 of 1532 🔗

There are dozens and dozens of similar stories that I’ve seen. There must be hundreds or thousands that I’ve not seen. It’s evil.

432933 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to leggy, 15, #1108 of 1532 🔗

We aren’t even anti vaccine, we just want the data to make a proper risk assessment.

432947 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #1109 of 1532 🔗

I suspect many here are not anti vaccine per say (I’ve had my fair share), though I’m not sure either of these count as a vaccine, certainly not a traditional one. The claim that they are safe is clearly a massive fib with serious issues being deliberately covered up.

432932 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #1110 of 1532 🔗

I’ve had a horrible time with AZ side effects. I’m 65 and relatively robust despite some minor health problems.

432934 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to redbirdpete, 9, #1111 of 1532 🔗

I’m 55 and was thinking I’d have the AZ vaccine but refuse the mRNA ones. Now I’m thinking I don’t want any of them!

432942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1112 of 1532 🔗
432956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #1113 of 1532 🔗

Possibly the J&J/Sputnik, Novovax or others being developed abroad. I think J&J and Sputnik are from different companies but use a similar principle.

Pfizer’s and AZ’s PR budget must have been £ billions. How else to exclude all other vaccines from the news coverage?

Me? I’d rather have a nasal spray or just be injected with a live common cold virus.

The ‘vaccine’ side-effects being reported are worse than any illness I’ve had for 44 years. No thank you.

432945 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1114 of 1532 🔗

My parents didn’t get a choice. Mum got AZ, Dad got Pfizer. Mum was in bed for two days afterwards.

432961 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1115 of 1532 🔗

….

432937 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to redbirdpete, 4, #1116 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I know quite a few younger folk too who have had a rough ride. Nothing serious (in the sense of requiring medical treatment) but certainly off their feet and feeling dire for a day or two.

432954 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to redbirdpete, 1, #1117 of 1532 🔗

What side effects do you have?

432967 ▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1118 of 1532 🔗

Full blown flu symptoms for 48 hours, random severe pains including chest pains, shortness of breath, still very tired and lethargic. ‘Long Vaxx’ maybe.

432996 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to redbirdpete, 5, #1119 of 1532 🔗

Ooh nasty and that was from the 1st one. The 2nd one is supposed to be WAY worse.
Good luck with that.

432963 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to redbirdpete, 6, #1120 of 1532 🔗

Have you provided details of your side effects on the Yellow Card system?

https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk

432993 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Steeve, 4, #1122 of 1532 🔗

The whistleblower in the Corona ausschuss mentioned that seeing the army uniforms made the confused patients quiet and compliant.

432995 ▶▶ kate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1123 of 1532 🔗

I am just reposting this here as stuff gets lost in the posting scroll and it is relevant to the above point by bebop

re. Spike in mortality in January following vaccination in care homes.
Those regulars on here will remember the discussion of the UK medical Freedom Alliance report which had some very troubling findings.
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/601ffc3e56a64132caa3f42f_Open_Letter_from_the_UKMFA_Vaccine_Deaths_Care%20Homes.pdf
I sent a copy of this to my local councillor who was concerned enough to forward it to the local Director of Public Health.
Here is his response
The paper linked to below notes the recent national increase in deaths in care homes from Covid-19. The paper speculates this might be related to the vaccination roll out. This is incorrect. The increase in deaths in different settings, including care homes, is a result of the massive surge in coronavirus cases seen across the country in December and January. This sadly led to care home outbreaks throughout the country. In addition outbreaks in care homes during this period also resulted in delays in the roll out of vaccination to some homes. It is also worth noting there is a window between the vaccination date and when the individual benefits from protection, and that one vaccination does not provide full immunity.”
“The latest published data on safety and side effects (plus a number of useful links) are here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/latest-monitoring-data-confirms-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines

433052 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to kate, -2, #1124 of 1532 🔗

Hmm. Not sure about this. The spike in care home deaths was in January. That suggests not much of a lag (if any) between infection and death. The same phenomenon was also observed in other countries, e.g. Norway, Germany, Canada – not just the UK.

432914 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #1125 of 1532 🔗

Is there something wrong with comments today? Not reloading on any of my devices.

432919 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1126 of 1532 🔗

Professor Marvel pinned to top and all replies. Don’t know why.

432920 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1127 of 1532 🔗

I think there is a gremlin on the system, or it could be GCHQ or MI5 hacking in….

432944 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to cloud6, 4, #1128 of 1532 🔗

A moderator has pinned a post, I don’t think it’s more sinister than that.

432984 ▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to leggy, 6, #1129 of 1532 🔗

That’s right. The Professor Marvel comment is pinned at the top, whatever sort option has been selected. Below his comment (and all his replies) the rest of the comments appear in the usual way, sorted however the user has asked.
So it’s not sinister, just irritating.

432982 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to cloud6, 2, #1130 of 1532 🔗

This is my exact thought. The whole timeline has been altered making it harder to view. It is either a bug or an (unwelcome) feature.

432916 cloud6, 4, #1131 of 1532 🔗

This will make your day……
Women dressed as elderly caught trying to get COVID-19 shot (9news.com.au)

On a local (small victory) against this lunacy. Got passed the Sainsbury’s Stasi for the both of us to do our weekly shop today, oh how I laughed…..

432922 Sarigan (Day 338 of lockdown), #1132 of 1532 🔗

Apologies if posted before but useful data mine for treatment studies – https://hcqmeta.com/

432938 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 38, #1133 of 1532 🔗

Note to Alexander Johnson, Matthew Hancock and my own MP. If you want a lesson in how to be statesmanlike, look no further than Sir Charles Walker.

Just received a very nice personalised response from his office to my e-mail sent yesterday. When you consider that I am not a constituent and that his office must be getting masses of similar messages, I would say that is admirable.

432966 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 3, #1134 of 1532 🔗

I sent e-mails just generally urging them to think about the policies to neighbouring MPs in spring (last year, how sad) and only received replies: as you are not one of my constituents I cannot help you.

433005 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to kh1485, 8, #1135 of 1532 🔗

He is one of a few honorable men left in the HOC.

433455 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to kh1485, #1136 of 1532 🔗

In the last letter I sent to my own MP I mentioned Sir Charles’s good manners in replying even to non constituents and even though he must be very busy. My own MP (a fellow Tory) didn’t reply.

432943 primesinister, -6, #1137 of 1532 🔗

To many bedwetters on here signing off and out

432952 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 21, #1138 of 1532 🔗

Tucker’s article, along with the headline and write-up from Will Jones, hit the right note in one sense. If we can seize control of the narrative, get the message out there that lockdownistas are heading for the exit, it may put the skids under them. It may become true. In the USA, it may even be true (although I’m sure that every ‘special relationship’ that the various European states have with the USA will now be leveraged to pressure Biden into keeping lockdown going).

But let’s not deceive ourselves. Our opponents are not breaking into a rout. They are not even retreating. The ‘roadmap’ is transparently not a map out of lockdown and restrictions, it is not a climbdown from vaccine passports and segregation, nor from enforced ‘consent’ to invasive medical procedures as a condition of employment. The ‘roadmap’ is an open declaration of intent to maintain restrictions across the Summer, which sets us up for lockdown in the Autumn – in addition to insistence on further forms of degrading compliance re: ‘vaccines.’

Resistance and opposition need to be redoubled now. There is no light at the end of the tunnel unless we make it.

432957 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ovis, 17, #1139 of 1532 🔗

I don’t trust Johnson and his cabinet to ever properly lift restrictions unless they’re forced to.
The whole vaccine passport narrative has been the end result of relentless propaganda. I knew it was coming last spring, having watched Dave Cullen’s videos on the subject. The PTB have been working to a script, and have been entirely predictable.

432953 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 5, #1140 of 1532 🔗

https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/superbowl?e=8e86beb5bb

“It’s been the magical “two weeks” (of “wait two weeks” fame) since the Super Bowl.

This was supposed to be a “superspreader” event, or a series of mini-superspreaders (as Dr. Fauci put it) in the country as a whole, because of people’s Super Bowl parties….”

See the graphs in the article. Worth reading the rest.

433079 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to LMS2, #1141 of 1532 🔗

There was also Thanksgiving, and Trish Greelaugh cited the Capitol building event as a super spreader. Absolute cretins these people. The BBC even recognised Christmas didn’t lead to anything spectacular

432958 richmond, replying to richmond, 9, #1142 of 1532 🔗

Ferguson says that 99% of scientists have looked at the evidence for lockdowns dispassionately, but in that case it should be pretty easy to show that the dissident 1% have simply got it wrong. But instead the media just ignores or disparages them. Why are the authorities afraid of a proper debate?

Also, he repeats the figure of 120,000 deaths, which largely depends on PCR test results. But we know that test is not accurate. So what is the real figure? Who knows?

No, I think we’re entitled to be sceptical until someone can show that we have been living through a genuine pandemic.

433078 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to richmond, 3, #1143 of 1532 🔗

They largely know the real number now and should be absolutely bricking themselves. Although they’ll keep trying to pull the wool

432960 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1144 of 1532 🔗

School homework

Question 3 – Should a celebrity be forgiven for breaking lockdown rules?

(aka I’ll see your indoctrination and raise you)

432991 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1145 of 1532 🔗

That kid is smarter than our entire government.

433027 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 3, #1146 of 1532 🔗

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree 😉

432965 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 41, #1147 of 1532 🔗

Conversation with an acquaintance:
Him: Had your jab yet?
Me: No
Him: Well, I won’t get too near you then!
Me: Why? If YOU’ve had it, surely I’m the one at risk?
Him: Oo, I don’t know about that……

And he’s an otherwise intelligent, successful businessman. I despair.

433037 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Banjones, 7, #1148 of 1532 🔗

I object to that language “your vaccine”. It’s not your vaccine or my vaccine it is a vaccine that you may or may not have.

433061 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #1149 of 1532 🔗

And it’s not even a vaccine.

433093 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Laura Suckling, 6, #1150 of 1532 🔗

I object to the term vaccine. Always refer to it as
An unlicensed experimental drug currently in stage 3 trials.

Bit of a mouthful I know but accurate.

433038 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Banjones, 3, #1151 of 1532 🔗

He clearly doesn’t know about that.
He has no clue about immunology, and neither do most of the population, which is how they can be so easily bamboozled.

433058 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Banjones, 6, #1152 of 1532 🔗

Somehow the retarded sheeple have somehow collectively decided that having a “vaccine” protects other people and not the recipient. Just like the fantasy about muzzles. I pulled up a friend about this yesterday, the only member of a household not to have had the monkey spunk, yet thinks that they should isolate themself to protect the rest of the “vaccinated” household. Try and explain the logic and they get defensive again.

433084 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1153 of 1532 🔗

I pulled up a friend about this yesterday, the only member of a household not to have had the monkey spunk, yet thinks that they should isolate themself to protect the rest of the “vaccinated” household. Try and explain the logic and they get defensive again.

Could this be why language evolved as far as singular pronouns ?

433207 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to JohnB, #1154 of 1532 🔗

Sorry, it’s a habit I get into to reveal as little identifying information as possible. I do it without realising, in these times of oppression by the state.

433135 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1155 of 1532 🔗

As I’ve said in another context, it takes a while to get an idea into the masses’ heads, and once it’s in there it also takes a long time for it to disappear. After a year of propaganda that each of us is responsible for everyone else’s health, that idea is stuck in their heads for at least another year.

433066 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Banjones, 9, #1156 of 1532 🔗

All my teammates will be queuing up for theirs. Totally unquestioning of it. One said he was having it to keep his old man safe. This is our best line of attack on overt or covert vaccine coercion: if you think it protects you then why do I need it too? If you don’t think it protects you why did you bother getting it? That’s when they’ll start going on about having to protect all those who can’t take it no doubt. Well we never did that for flu. I refuse to be made responsible for other peoples’ health.

432970 isobar, 25, #1157 of 1532 🔗

More evidence of a shift in public opinion, also a reference to Lockdown Sceptics exchange with Ferguturd, not complimentary at all to SAGE

UK’s Covid cases drop by a fifth to 9,938, deaths fall by 40% to 442 and hospital admissions drop below 1,000 for the first time since October – amid calls to bring ‘Independence Day’ forward to MAY
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9294715/Tory-demand-lockdown-end-date-brought-forward-June.html

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Lockdowns do not work , if they did it would be gone now as we are in our third , Belarus has the lowest data in Europe and they have no lockdowns at all .lockdowns for what an infection that 99.7% fully recover from .

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If you read Ferguson’s email exchange with the piblic on LockdownSceptics, the problem with SAGE becomes clear. If SAGE modelling in bang on the nose, it’s down to their incredible modelling skills. If SAGE modelling is wildly out from observable reality, then SAGE change the model to match it and ‘that’s how science works’. This means that SAGE literally can never be wrong, there is no demonstrable standard to which they must be held. One can only dream of what SAGE annual appraisals must be like.

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432974 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1158 of 1532 🔗

https://youtu.be/rKmcSghhybU

Charles Walker and David Blunkett on Unherd lockdown TV with Freddie Sayers.

Sorry if it’s been posted, the comments are really weirdly ordered today.

433003 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #1159 of 1532 🔗

It’s because the top post (and its replies) has been pinned. Below it everything is normal.

433467 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Fear is Finite, #1160 of 1532 🔗

Freddie had a decent article on all of this today.
Personally, he is throwing in the towel though.

432980 Penster, replying to Penster, 15, #1161 of 1532 🔗

I would love to find out who the covidiots are who fill in the yougov poll and have the bunch of knob heads in parliament believing that most of the population think lockdowns are brilliant. I would never get tired of slapping their faces.

432987 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Penster, 6, #1162 of 1532 🔗

I don’t think they actually exist. I certainly don’t know anyone who still supports lockdowns, even including some who did back in lockdown 1

433014 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #1163 of 1532 🔗

I don’t know anyone either, all the people I speak to are sick and tired of the whole shit show and ignoring the rules anyway.

433012 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Penster, 4, #1164 of 1532 🔗

Some of them certainly are MPs. Heartily compensated are they too, for 30-45 minutes, some of them are getting £70-100 a pop. according to the register of members’ interests.

433128 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Penster, 2, #1165 of 1532 🔗

The sort of people who have nothing better to do because they are too scared to leave the house, I suppose.

432986 JayBee, 2, #1166 of 1532 🔗

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/chinas_globale_lockdown_kampagne_2

Article in German with data and links for those willing to spend time corresponding with the infallible Professor.
Always widely wrong, never in doubt.
And bought by the Chinese, so:
“Wes Brot ich ess, des Lied ich sing.”

432989 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 28, #1167 of 1532 🔗

Great op-ed by Robert Dingwall in today’s Telegraph – he should be considered for honours along with Sunetra Gupta and Carl Heneghan, once this is all over. As he points out, there are powerful voices pushing for a zero-covid strategy, but such a policy cannot be enacted within a free society. The question really is whether SAGE will continue to dictate policy. Members of the CRG are the only people in parliament currently opposing SAGE, and they are not powerful enough. We will only get freedom back if enough people rebel. The signs are good: a lot of people now are obviously disregarding the advice to stay at home and the rebellion will grow as the weather gets better. Keep fighting.

433001 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JamesM, 8, #1168 of 1532 🔗

Agree about Dingwall. However, I am not sure it is the case that the CRG do not have latent power – we will never know because they don’t follow through. Too many times they have rattled sabres but then (in the majority) fallen into line. They lack commitment and integrity, in my opinion.

433465 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to JamesM, #1169 of 1532 🔗

“such a policy cannot be enacted within a free society.”

So what’s the problem, then?!

432994 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #1170 of 1532 🔗

Son telling me that one of his farcebook group but not a friend as such posted today on how she was looking forward to getting her vaccine and vaccine passport. She is that stupid she boasted on her wall about her new Range Rover which was promptly stole and the insurance refuse to pay up as she was at fault – ha ha ha.

Within hours she has received over 1000 replies that can only be called hate posts and lost most of her real-life friends and this is mostly an under-30group.

Not as popular as the MSM are trying to make out then.

433000 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1171 of 1532 🔗

How was she at fault for her Range Rover being stolen? Because she told people on the internet that she had one? Surely it would be possible for a potential thief to see that someone has a Range Rover by looking in their direction when they’re driving one? They’re fairly large and tend to catch the eye.

433030 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to richmond, 1, #1172 of 1532 🔗

Because she posted that she had one and posted photos etc and basiclaly told them where it was and when she was out – breaks the keeping things secure clause same as if you leave the keys in it or leave it unlocked.

433086 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1173 of 1532 🔗

That makes no sense. The precedent would be that nobody could ever post photos of cars, bikes, jewellery, anything on social media without invalidating their insurance. There is no clause in my car insurance to that effect and I’m sure Watchdog would be all over it if they tried. More likely the dozy mare left the keys in it but didn’t want to admit such stupidity to her friends so made up a story that makes her look hard done by.

433365 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1174 of 1532 🔗

Something like 60% of burglaries happen when people post photo’s whilst on holiday. Invalidates your home insurances as well. When will people learn Social Media is a dangerous place.

433464 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1175 of 1532 🔗

Melbourne was the first poll they couldn’t manipulate……

433004 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 14, #1176 of 1532 🔗

Not sure if everyone has seen this yet (reported by UK Column last week) but the Government has quietly started a consultation on The UK digital identity and attributes trust framework (aka ID2020, for those who’ve seen this coming for a long time).

White paper is here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uk-digital-identity-and-attributes-trust-framework

Online survey about it is here (only got until March 11 though):
https://dcms.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_4HZDsoOJSCWrV0q

Please get the word out and let them know where they can shove their Digital ID.

Papiere, bitte.

433077 ▶▶ richardw53, replying to zacaway, 2, #1177 of 1532 🔗

Just checked it out and it’s another jargon laden consultation with an embedded agenda. A bit like a consultation on hanging where the only answerable question addresses the size of the noose.

433090 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to richardw53, 2, #1178 of 1532 🔗

I had a quick look at the questionnaire and without reading the full consultation I soon realised I couldn’t really complete it. Hopefully more time to digest tomorrow.But we really need to get the feedback that we strongly oppose the passport rubbish, I am surprised so many elsewhere seem to be supporting it.

433009 DanClarke, 17, #1179 of 1532 🔗

How sad that someone is ‘grateful’ for being allowed to visit their dying father, all the while carer’s have done just that. Personally I will never forgive the government for this ‘experiment’ they have forced on us.

433011 Will, replying to Will, 5, #1180 of 1532 🔗

Anyone else finding the forum isn’t working?

433020 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Will, 2, #1181 of 1532 🔗

it’s all a bit squiffy, you just can’t get the staff

433021 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Will, 4, #1182 of 1532 🔗

Professor Marvel and all replies pinned to top.

433073 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, 1, #1183 of 1532 🔗

I just reported my own post in the thread to bring it to Ian’s attention, asking him to unpin it.

433018 Biker, replying to Biker, 16, #1184 of 1532 🔗

I still maintain the whole thing is the fault of Roy Castle and Jimmy Savile. Roy because he started the whole ban smoking in pubs and Jimmy because he was promoting the get drunk on every trip advert resulting in hundreds of kids being killed just so he could sit them on his knee and use them as a ventriloquist dummy. Since then we’ve been told to be risk adverse and we need to make everything safe. I don’t want it safe. If jimmy hands me a drink he’s made i’m having it, if Roy objects to me smoking i’ll stuff that trumpet up so far up his arse he’ll sound like Jimmy Somervile singing ‘Don’t leave me this way’. No, Roy fucking Castle was the start of this whole thing and i believe we should all go to his grave and have massive tap dance on it in protest at the lockdown.

433024 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Biker, 18, #1185 of 1532 🔗

The anti-smoking lobby is the Covid Cult. They have been waiting patiently for decades to step into the limelight, and finally their vision of society has manifested. The incremental harassment of smokers was a completely brilliant social engineering experiment on a target group that had no comeback. I lost count of the number of smug mates who mocked me as I slunk out of the pub for a fag post-2007. I warned them all that one day the health lobby would come after them, and completely fuck up their lives. No one listened.

433025 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Biker, 4, #1186 of 1532 🔗

As my 97yr old Aunty says “you can’t stop me falling!” She still lives on her own with some help but is prone to the odd fall.

433040 ▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to Biker, 19, #1187 of 1532 🔗

As a nine year old, Jimmy made my dream of milking a cow whilst blindfolded come true, and I won’t hear a word said against him.

433443 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Biker, #1188 of 1532 🔗

I didn’t even like Roy Castle in Carry On Up The Khyber . Ponce.

433034 Matt The Cat, replying to Matt The Cat, 29, #1189 of 1532 🔗

I listen to Six Music whilst at work (Yeah, I know), but I consider it to be the lesser of several similar evils. The music is generally good, and there’s no overt government propaganda broadcasts/adverts.

A furloughed bedwetter emailed/tw@tted Lauren Lav’eardItAllBefore/Mary Anne Hobbs (can’t remember which) two or three days ago, said that she “implored” people not to judge others after lockdown ends.

My 77th radar sprung into life upon hearing that.

If we ever get out of this, I’ll tell you now, there are many, MANY people who I have little choice but to interact with during my working day, whose cards have been well and truly MARKED.

There will be no forgiving. There will be no forgetting.

But there will be reprisals.

Just thought I’d mention it.

433041 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Matt The Cat, 24, #1190 of 1532 🔗

I’m with you all the way on this one. I take the imploring not to judge as a very encouraging sign that there might just be a few Covid Cult members on the periphery beginning to realise the magnitude of the suffering they have inflicted. This only goes one way from here, and it’s all in our favour.

433046 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Richard O, 22, #1191 of 1532 🔗

As am I. I said the same this morning. Those who have willingly colluded in this will never be forgiven.

433059 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, 11, #1192 of 1532 🔗

A perceptive point – I’m getting the same vibes.

And today I saw several people in a particular situation not wearing muzzles, not as acts of rebellion, but because they’d quite simply unconsciously forgotten about them, and hadn’t noticed.

433057 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Matt The Cat, 2, #1193 of 1532 🔗

try radio caroline, no cv ads

433060 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #1194 of 1532 🔗

Or Atlantis radio – much the same thing – from a boat too I think

433434 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to CGL, 1, #1195 of 1532 🔗

Radio Paradise – no ads at all; just music for grown ups.

433069 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Matt The Cat, 10, #1196 of 1532 🔗

I heard BBC promoting “Headroom – Their Mental Health Toolkit” today. I saw red.
If people need mental health support now, BBC must carry a large proportion of the blame for it.

433044 Dartford44, 20, #1197 of 1532 🔗

Tomorrow my sister in law and husband are leaving their home and visiting us.I said”you park outside and come in the front door”.
They are both over seventy and have had enough!
Beware of SAGE.They are and have always been the enemy. TOTAL LOW LIFE.

433045 leggy, replying to leggy, 5, #1198 of 1532 🔗

Can’t link it really as it’s live now (on FB), but Joel Smalley is well worth watching back on Dan Astin Gregory’s Pandemic Podcast. He now has detailed vaccination data and the correlation between jabs and deaths in care home as well as the 80+ age group in general is staggering. Grabbed a screenshot below, but it really warrants watching and listening to the whole analysis.

433054 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 3, #1199 of 1532 🔗

That’s him banned then. He reviewed the Oxford interim data that the government were bleating about this week. He said they didn’t even try and note the correlation, never mind control for it.

I struggle to think Joe is just a shit statistician and has got this completely wrong. Even to a basic data guy like myself I know what he is getting at. And the total ignorance of it from Oxford AZ is staggering.

433114 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1200 of 1532 🔗

Seems more like wilful ignorance doesn’t it.

433095 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to leggy, 2, #1201 of 1532 🔗

Just finished watching this, very compelling. And very brave.

433048 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 2, #1202 of 1532 🔗

What does a ”sticky thread” mean? I don’t use social media (out of choice) and these terms pass me by. Probably because I usually live in the Real World!

433050 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 1, #1203 of 1532 🔗

It’s a bit liked the curious pinned post we have in the comments here today. Typically it’s used on forums where the thread with the most recent post goes to the top. A sticky thread is pinned to stay at the top whether anyone replies to it or not.

433120 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to leggy, #1204 of 1532 🔗

What’s going on with comments today can’t get the latest up?

433125 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #1205 of 1532 🔗

There’s a permanently pinned post at the top along with all of it’s replies. Your selection of new/old/most rated will appear directly below.

433174 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Banjones, #1206 of 1532 🔗

A sticky post is usually used to make an announcement of some sort that everyone can read (it won’t get lost in the morass of posts). But to make a post “sticky” you need special publisher powers – ordinary posters cannot do it. My guess is that Professor Marvel does have these rights and has made it sticky in error.

433194 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Portnadler, 3, #1207 of 1532 🔗

It’s worth being sticky if only for Allen’s data post.

433426 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, 1, #1208 of 1532 🔗

Fully agree!

433056 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 31, #1209 of 1532 🔗

Jenny Harries comments re. masks at the presser tonight:

Asked about why face coverings are now being required in secondary school classrooms Dr Jenny Harries says, with new variants and better understanding of the ability of the virus to spread, “things have moved on”.

But she doesn’t say what the evidence is, or where to find it.

Lauren from Tonbridge asks if the rules on wearing masks and PPE indoors will be lifted along with all legal limits on social contact on 21 June.

Wearing masks outdoors is “not so much of an issue”, says England’s deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries. We have to look at the data as the roadmap says and check where we are, she says.

As we get into the autumn and winter comes in and we spend more time inside we might want to look at wearing masks more, she says.

But it’s “quite possible” over the summer months that we would not need to be wearing masks all the time and PPE is very much for clinical use, she says.

They are just taking the fucking piss!

433070 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1210 of 1532 🔗

I sometimes think Jenny Harries is as sceptical as most of us on here.

433074 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 3, #1211 of 1532 🔗

On the ale, TJN ?

433163 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnB, 9, #1212 of 1532 🔗

What she says in public and what she actually believes are, I suspect, not the same thing. I’d have a lot more time for if she actually resigned.

433083 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1213 of 1532 🔗

I am still flabbergasted that the masks everywhere mandate was not decreed in January. It was a golden opportunity to do so, and would have been complied with at very high percentage levels.

433091 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Richard O, 1, #1214 of 1532 🔗

Slight civil liberties inhibitions?

433098 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 2, #1215 of 1532 🔗

Yes, it’s bizarre – I thought the appearance of the frightful New Variant would at least result in outdoor masking in town centres etc. They really missed an opportunity there.

If it’s anything like last summer they will be mandated in the middle of July just as the blasted thing has finally disappeared.

433370 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #1216 of 1532 🔗

Do people still go to town centres?

433172 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Richard O, 5, #1217 of 1532 🔗

That’s coming when ADE starts to kick in with all those vaccinated. Of course it’ll be blamed on a new mutant. So face masks everywhere, nobody allowed to leave home unless your local covid marshall gives you permission. Mid October onwards, they will blame a summer of irresponsibility and that will never happen again until zero covid. All part of the master plan.

433221 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 1, #1218 of 1532 🔗

Yes, I was too. Can’t help but think this will be introduced towards the end of the road plan as a price to pay. Being kept in reserve for now.

433092 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 14, #1219 of 1532 🔗

The spending more time inside in winter thing always confuses me. Yes, people like to be out in the garden/park in nice weather. But people are still going to shops, cinemas, restaurants, theatres, offices, using public transport etc – all things that we are told are horrifically and unbearably dangerous in terms of the rona spreading. Even schools are in session for half the summer months. Can it really make that much difference?

Also we might “want” to “look at” wearing masks “more”?

I don’t want to either look at or actually do it at all, thanks.

433169 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1220 of 1532 🔗

Winter transmission has nothing to do with being indoors more. This is pure fanstasy dreamed up by a scientist somewhere.

Winter transmission is due to cold weather (yes, it’s winter!) and the body responding with colds and flu in order to regulate itself – it’s called homeostasis.

And good heavens! – if you look down a microscope you’ll see viruses associated with this activity (that’s how the clever old body does it!). The scientists need to get out more.

433232 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1221 of 1532 🔗

A muzzle demo. So THIS is why people have such faith in them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRFtVsL9dzE

433183 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ozzie, #1223 of 1532 🔗

“Interesting” is an interesting take.

433384 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, #1224 of 1532 🔗

Trollfest at the moment!

433099 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1225 of 1532 🔗

Interesting how much she has changed her tune since last year – she was strongly against any mask wearing:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html

433177 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1226 of 1532 🔗

Finally a MSM article in our favour. Muzzle mandate introduced in art to reduce peoples immunity, all part of the plan.

433392 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1227 of 1532 🔗

Jenny Harries explaining to dePiffle how face nappies are a bad idea:

https://twitter.com/1BJDJ/status/1279360417903542273

433181 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1228 of 1532 🔗

Another spineless sell-out. Either she was lying last year when she said masks were useless or she’s lying now.

433206 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to A Heretic, 3, #1229 of 1532 🔗

Van-Tam also said masks were of no use, as did Whitty.

433228 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1230 of 1532 🔗

as did anyone who’d ever looked at “the science”. The list of the unprincipled is very long.

433396 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A Heretic, 1, #1231 of 1532 🔗

Fully sold out, apparently:

However, there was a warning for grandparents from Dr Jenny Harries, England’s chief deputy medical officer. She urged pupils “not to go hugging them too much”, even if they have been tested at school until the impact of the vaccine rollout is fully understood.
(DT digest)

433062 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 11, #1232 of 1532 🔗

I have the impression Americans value their freedoms a bit more and people like Cuomo do seem to be in trouble now.

433208 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1233 of 1532 🔗

Cuomo was just a useful idiot to help the Bolsheviks get rid of Trump.

Now he’s just the next white guy they can get rid of and replace with someone far worse.

He’ll go, all the regs will stay in NY state.

433063 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 13, #1234 of 1532 🔗

My lad is in the Cubs and just had a zoom call with them. I heard one of their leaders proudly announcing that he has had the jab which will protect him against covid and hopefully every adult will soon also have it. He compared it to the “miraculous” news of the space rover thing landing on Mars.

433067 ▶▶ jos, replying to ThomasT, 11, #1235 of 1532 🔗

A good comparison- they’re both fake.

433068 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1236 of 1532 🔗

BBC live feed: White House to distribute 25 million free masks

The administration of US President Joe Biden will deliver more than 25 million masks across the country as part of its plan to curb the coronavirus.

“The masks will be available at more than 1,300 community health centres and at 60,000 food pantries nationwide,” Jeff Zients, the White House’s coronavirus response co-ordinator, says.

Any American who needs a mask can walk into these health centres or food pantries and pick up high-quality, American-made masks.

But only if you’re wearing a mask. 😉

433131 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1237 of 1532 🔗

But one mask is not enough!

433132 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1238 of 1532 🔗

What a waste of money.

Moronic stuff

433219 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1239 of 1532 🔗

25 million a day??? 25 million masks isn’t even one day’s worth…and that’s assuming one wears the same mask all day without changing it out.

433363 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1240 of 1532 🔗

All going to landfill 🙁

433075 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #1241 of 1532 🔗

BBC Midlands today announced that not enough people are coming forward to be tested!!!!!
TAKING THE P×SS OR WHAT?

433088 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1242 of 1532 🔗

How many is enough I wonder?

433105 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1243 of 1532 🔗

According to NHS poster at work you should get tested whenever you leave your house and at least once a week.

433123 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1244 of 1532 🔗

What, just your normal bog standard person off the street?! Really??

433133 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1245 of 1532 🔗

Here it is

433137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1246 of 1532 🔗

Wowzers. And they thought they could get down to 1000 cases per day?

433359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #1247 of 1532 🔗

They didn’t actually think anything of the sort!

433138 ▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to A. Contrarian, #1248 of 1532 🔗

Should have been when rather than whenever.

433130 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1249 of 1532 🔗

Might be good to get a false positive if we go the way of Israel. You wouldn’t have to take the vaccine.

433215 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1250 of 1532 🔗

Funny you should say that as I’ve been thinking the same thing. Please just let me test positive and claim immunity. Having said that, they’re going to use “new variants” as an excuse to push boosters on the vaccinated and push those who have had Covid to take the snake oil. Might buy us a bit of time, but I don’t think it’ll be a get-out-of-jail card.

433461 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1251 of 1532 🔗

Tory donors getting nervous….

433080 PastImperfect, 4, #1252 of 1532 🔗

Possible legal consequences of employers mandating vaccinations.

https://youtu.be/6GvhwYJlTsw

433082 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #1253 of 1532 🔗

Echoes of ”Zulu”!

This is brilliant! I am passing it on again – because even my non-sceptic OH is laughing at it! That is what will bring us together – laughter! As long as we can, let’s mock!

433101 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, 1, #1254 of 1532 🔗

I’ve been referring to this fiasco as mockdown for months!

433087 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 9, #1255 of 1532 🔗

I have not seen enough data to be sure, but it certainly looks to me as though the impact of the vaccine has been to reduce the number of positive tests.

Reduce the positive tests, reduce the number of people in hospital with Covid, reduce the need for isolated beds and dedicated nursing, reduce the numbers dying with Covid.

Suddenly it is all back to nearly normal. Not because anyone is less ill, or because fewer people are dying. But because a misleading test no longer attributes all normal dying to Covid.

433111 ▶▶ leggy, replying to WhyNow, 6, #1256 of 1532 🔗

I expect that’s what happens if you both reduce cycle threshold and migrate from PCR to LFT.

433355 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to leggy, 4, #1257 of 1532 🔗

So why start to physically abuse the kids?

433450 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cheezilla, #1258 of 1532 🔗

Form them early.
This authoritarian spell has only just begun.
As per The 4th Turning, it will last at least another 30 years.

433126 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to WhyNow, 3, #1259 of 1532 🔗

A hospital local to me had their lead doctor on radio this week. They reduced their covid patients over night by 50% by doing just this. Here he is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GregHughes2/status/1362439833466130437

433164 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to WhyNow, 12, #1260 of 1532 🔗

You mean they’re doing what Mike Yeardon said last summer. These feckers need shooting.

433289 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1261 of 1532 🔗

Henegen from day one said bin mass testing and go to looking at hospitalisations. I think that stood up well. The hunt for cases was always just a fear tactic

433458 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1262 of 1532 🔗

And an expensive one…
100bln p.a. henceforth for useless, denigrating testing!?
There is only one explanation for that: corruption plus upholding the Tyranny.
One day, the soon to be born (Millennials are all in, Z useless) will calculate how many schools, roads, salaries, pensions, surgeries, chemos etc. could have been built, paid or administered with those trillions needlessly thrown out of the window instead.
One can but hope that Johnson&co are still alive then and are held to account like the old KZ guards are.
I have little hope we’ll get them earlier, some that they succumb to the ‘vaccine’.

433096 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1263 of 1532 🔗

Galicia, Spain, makes vaccine mandatory. Fines and/or jail for refuseniks

Myview (@FromoutsideAlan) Tweeted:
@msamandasweet @DrP_MD Reported in Spanish media : “The regional government of Galicia in northwestern Spain has announced that the Covid-19 vaccine will be compulsory for all its 2.7 million inhabitants, and that fines for those who don’t follow the rules will go from €1,000 to €60,000”. https://twitter.com/FromoutsideAlan/status/1364516340497870849?s=20

433107 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #1264 of 1532 🔗

More on this

https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/galicia/2021/02/23/pp-aprueba-solitario-agenda-anticovid-ley-salud-reactivacion-economica/00031614087815613665516.htm

So it’s in process. The legal route has been opened and will have to go through the Constitutional Court. Parties in the region are split, but the regional government has always been very dysfunctional.

I spent some time there as a student and its a wonderful place. This is a demonstration of how serious this battle is. There are those who will throw you in jail for not taking the state mandated drugs.

Basta ya! Nunca Mais!

433122 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1265 of 1532 🔗

Insane. This battles about to get even bloodier.

433148 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1266 of 1532 🔗

What’s the betting Galicia ends up with the oldest population in Spain, the lowest birth rate in Spain, the fewest tourist numbers etc. God’s sala de espera.

433202 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1267 of 1532 🔗

It is actually one of the poorest parts of Spain and being cooler and windier it does not get so many tourists. Its people are often fair-skinned and light-haired, and many Galicians emigrated to Cuba when it was a Spanish colony. Fairer-skinned Cubans often have Galician ancestry.

433211 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Waldorf, 1, #1268 of 1532 🔗

Wasn’t Franco from Galicia?

433274 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1269 of 1532 🔗

He was indeed.

433303 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1270 of 1532 🔗

Coruna.

433161 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #1271 of 1532 🔗

Did some magic space dust land on earth early last year to make everybody go insane. Are we living in some Darren Brown experiment and I’m the only one not let on on the secrete. I totally despair.

433185 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1272 of 1532 🔗

That makes two of us.

433213 ▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1273 of 1532 🔗

Its like living in the alternate reality of a Stephen King novel, the difference being you get to the end of a book.

433448 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to dhpaul, #1274 of 1532 🔗

I am waiting for the ‘No big loss’ cull of the people most responsible for this.

433225 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1275 of 1532 🔗

I’ve felt this way for nearly a year now. I wish I could wake up from this fucking nightmare.

433187 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1276 of 1532 🔗

Doesn’t surprise me at all. Spain has never strayed far from Franco.

Always was a peasant desert, always will be.

433199 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to AidanR, 2, #1277 of 1532 🔗

Franco’s home region.

433216 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to AidanR, 2, #1278 of 1532 🔗

Old friend of mine who came to Britain as a refugee from the Spanish civil war and hailed from San Sebastian told me that the Northern Spanish always classed the South of Spain as being priest ridden.

433299 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1279 of 1532 🔗

I love Spain and it’s heartbreaking to see the Government destroy its people’s future.They already had the highest youth unemployment in Europe.What will the destruction of the tourist industry do to employment there.

433116 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1281 of 1532 🔗

Best response “Was Mystic Meg busy?”

433104 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #1282 of 1532 🔗

Mail on line: “No cases of flu reported this year because of tough social distancing rules”!!!
Have the people in this country ever heard of the 3 card trick?

433113 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Fingerache Philip, 23, #1283 of 1532 🔗

Yep, The Independent running with that angle. Here’s the thing, SD and masks are the reason we don’t have flu, but the reason everyone is dying of Covid, is because of all the people like us not wearing masks and social distancing!?!

Do these people ever listen to themselves?

433124 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1284 of 1532 🔗

Like I say PP, they would fall for the 3 card trick and find the lady.

433152 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Fingerache Philip, #1285 of 1532 🔗

Love ‘Find the Lady’.

433153 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1286 of 1532 🔗

I’m here btw

433218 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1287 of 1532 🔗

🙂

433366 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1288 of 1532 🔗

In the Anglo Saxon vernacular; is that the game that I would know as “Hunt the cunt?”

433140 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1289 of 1532 🔗

But, but, but, covid is more transmiserable!!

Or words to that effect.

433121 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1290 of 1532 🔗

Hence next year is slated to be a horrendous flu year – doubtless necessitating the saving of the NHS yet again…

433129 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1291 of 1532 🔗

I wonder if masks and sd will be mandatory if there’s an hiccups outbreak.

433182 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1292 of 1532 🔗

It’s time the NHS had a DNR pendant put on it.

433149 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1293 of 1532 🔗

Two people actually quoted that ‘fact’ at me. One was no surprise, he’s a total sheep but the other I found shocking as I would have put money on him seeing through that headline. Just goes to show, ‘thick’ is everywhere.

433108 pub with no beer, 3, #1294 of 1532 🔗

u tube channel “we got a problem” latest vid highlights letter from PACAC public administration and constitutional affairs committee, asking questions about the way data was presented etc to Hancock and Gove.

433110 Allen, replying to Allen, 7, #1295 of 1532 🔗

EU is now reporting 2,209 deaths and 82,540 Adverse Drug Reactions for the Covid “vaccines.

Government and media silent on the severe adverse events for these highly experimental, non safety tested biological agents.

Go here:

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1364316639622275072

Here- several astute comments within- in French:

https://twitter.com/NiusMarco/status/1364316639622275072

Here:

https://twitter.com/niusmarco?lang=en

433127 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Allen, 1, #1296 of 1532 🔗

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the UK has administered as many jabs as the EU combined? It had when I’d last looked, but appreciate it’s a moving target.

433134 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to leggy, #1297 of 1532 🔗

Corrected myself – 27m. The EU have put a spurt on.

433112 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 34, #1298 of 1532 🔗

So, yesterday I enjoyed a non-socially distanced walk with a friend. The moment we met she burst into tears. She was the third friend I’d witnessed in tears within the last week. One friend because she’d been forced into having a vaccine she didn’t want, one because she was frightened and being bullied about getting a vaccine and my friend yesterday out of pure anger and despair.

Last week I had a couple of conversations with two other (male) friends. I only mention that they were male as I feel that (knowing their ages) they felt the obliged to do the stiff upper lip thing. Now, one of these friends has no close family and lives alone. Previously he had social events to go to and volunteered regularly for two organisations. The other friend also has no close family but lives with a mate. Reading between the lines they are not doing so well mentally.

So, in their honour (sorry Alanis) :

How ’bout getting out of these lockdowns?
How ’bout stopping not seeing my mates?
How ’bout turning off the main stream media?
How ’bout not listening to fucking Bill Gates?

Fuck you Boris
Fuck you Ferguson
Fuck your modelling
Fuck your lies
Fuck your hubris
You don’t care who dies

How ’bout you not blaming us for everything?
How ’bout us enjoying our life as it was?
How ’bout how good it feels to finally get out?
How ’bout not living in a fucking pod?

Fuck you Boris
Fuck you Ferguson
Fuck your modelling
Fuck your lies
Fuck your hubris
You don’t care who dies

How ’bout no longer being our masters?
How ’bout remembering your duty to us all?
How ’bout telling the truth for once?
How ’bout not pretending we are the fools?

Fuck you Boris
Fuck you Ferguson
Fuck your modelling
Fuck your lies
Fuck your hubris
You don’t care who dies

433136 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #1299 of 1532 🔗

Very moving

433142 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Laura Suckling, 8, #1300 of 1532 🔗

Excellent. Thanks Laura. For ‘Alanis’ and for being there to support your friends in need. Sometimes we are the supporters and sometimes we are the ‘in need’.

433176 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Laura Suckling, 14, #1301 of 1532 🔗

I’m very concerned about the number of people who are just not doing well. On this forum, to my knowledge, we have had one person pass away from Covid. We don’t necessarily know of any others – but we do know of Nick Rose.

Yet how many of you have been almost in pieces in despair? How many of you have felt broken by the lockdown and written here of feeling there’s no point in going on? So many – on this forum and off it. The pain, despair and now the coercion is taking its toll – and that is hugely concerning.

433197 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to this is my username, 12, #1302 of 1532 🔗

I’ve had those moments, yes. But I’ve faced far greater adversity than this. I shudder to think how I’d have coped as a 21 year old naif who’d never faced anything more adverse than running out of toothpaste in the morning.

I do feel for those who are in despair, and I thank the Lord that I was able to fix my roof while the sun was shining.

I loosely know one person who’s died ‘of covid’ – he had more co-morbidities than Jim Jones. Also a friend of a friend died ‘of it’. But then, I’ve known people who died before covid, of old age, of drugs, drink, race cars, motorbikes, horses, bad luck and despair, some tortured by the NHS for weeks, months or years before they were finally relieved of their burdens.

‘They’ can be defeated by cumulative low-key non-compliance and sabotage. None of it need attract any attention, but it grinds away at the machine.

The remedy for despair is righteous rage.

433209 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to AidanR, 5, #1303 of 1532 🔗

I still don’t know anyone who has had Covid, but I do know people who have been worried and stressed by lockdown – and on this forum we’ve picked up many folks who were in a bad way and hopefully got them to hold on and to not give in in the face all of all this.

433214 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to this is my username, 2, #1304 of 1532 🔗

Snap

433230 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to this is my username, 7, #1305 of 1532 🔗

I agree… Far more people have had 12 months of physical and mental hell than have had the covid.

433269 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to this is my username, 4, #1306 of 1532 🔗

I roughly estimate I’ve known 25 people, in a variety of countries, who have had a respiratory illness that was medically diagnosed as ‘covid’ [I reserve judgment on whether such a disease really exists] – in all cases, it was either a bad cold, (in most cases, they were not even in bed) or a bad flu (some were hospitalised) – nobody died, or even came close to it. I’ve known one woman in her forties who died of untreated cancer, and one man in his nineties who keeled over and died within hours of being vaccinated. I’ve known of one man who died of a perforated ulcer and got covid on his death certificate, and another who died of cancer and got the same.

433179 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1307 of 1532 🔗

That’s gonna fill the swear box

433188 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1308 of 1532 🔗

It’s a swear bin since last March.

433189 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #1309 of 1532 🔗

I had to move my fish out of the aquarium. It’s got about 10 grand in it now.

433117 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #1310 of 1532 🔗

The traffic really pissed me off today for the first time in a good while, while driving to take my daily exercise non-locally and for much longer than an hour. Hopefully it’s a sign that things are changing.

I also sat on a bench in the sun, so yah boo sucks Wancock and Doris.

433196 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1311 of 1532 🔗

Quite spring-like in London and not March yet.

433157 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #1312 of 1532 🔗

Why/What/who is messing around with the comments section?

The order (my device) i.e. old, new, etc is totally *ucked.

433162 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1313 of 1532 🔗

the comment is pinned to the top…for…some….strange…..reason

433178 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1314 of 1532 🔗

Exactly! Its how propagandists work, prioritizing the narrative they want you to think. Directing the debate.

433239 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1315 of 1532 🔗

Ah come now, AFAIK nothing has been censored here and comments are rarely pinned. It may have been pinned by mistake. I doubt being a mod here is a full time job.

433309 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #1316 of 1532 🔗

Maybe because Allen’s analysis is essential reading?

433337 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1317 of 1532 🔗

I didn’t read it!

Because what Ferguson says is of no interest!

Lockdown is non-debatable, nothing justifies it!

433167 nic, replying to nic, 6, #1318 of 1532 🔗

Reading some articles in MSM today seems they think we should be moving on and getting back to normal mayb things are changing

433171 ▶▶ isobar, replying to nic, 9, #1319 of 1532 🔗

Yes, judging by readers comments on various articles the government is behind the curve of public opinion now, a big change from early January.

433193 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to isobar, 7, #1320 of 1532 🔗

Our best weapon is people yearning for normality and getting fed up with this.

433217 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to nic, 9, #1321 of 1532 🔗

It’s about time the Mail and Telegraph editors started reading their readers’ comments and started pushing the Regime to end this nonsense.

Oh, silly me, that would be the end of the ad revenue thy’re raking in from the Regime.

433241 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1322 of 1532 🔗

They do read and censor the comments.The problem is the government are paying their bills

433306 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1323 of 1532 🔗

Very heavy censorship in DT recently.

433445 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cheezilla, #1324 of 1532 🔗

No woonder as they have gone full propaganda since a few months now.
Daley, Jacobs&co seem to have been muzzled.
Not that they haven’t been mere fig leaves before anyway.

433444 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to nic, #1325 of 1532 🔗

The lull before the storm….

433184 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1326 of 1532 🔗

The Guardian is in favour of “vaccine passports”. What a surprise!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/24/the-guardian-view-on-vaccine-passports-a-tool-to-handle-with-care

The article contains this abomination (my emphasis):

Issuing individuals with a licence to mingle would be counterproductive if it means the collective guard goes down.

What might be a good derogatory term for “vaccine passports”?

433192 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1327 of 1532 🔗

Normal human interaction is banned. Demolition Man without the humour.
“Licence to mingle” – People who can write that sort of thing have left the human race in my opinion and embraced a dystopia.
Derogatory term – “notes from teacher”? Not the best I can do perhaps but a little degrading if you are an adult and need a permission slip.

433203 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1328 of 1532 🔗

Of course Bolshevik sociopaths who worship jabs will be in favor of vaxports.

433222 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1329 of 1532 🔗

VaPID – vaccine passport ID.

433224 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1330 of 1532 🔗

Makings their proponents – vapids.
Just about sums up the majority of my circle

433231 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Andrea Salford, 8, #1331 of 1532 🔗

LOL! Good one. I was wondering about ‘prick pass’.

433236 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1332 of 1532 🔗

They concede the point that the vaccine won’t stop you getting or transmitting the virus.So explain what the point of the vaccine passport is.

433248 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1333 of 1532 🔗

…So you can virtue signal and take selfies at every opportunity and post online about how virtuous you are with your vax pass?

433302 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1334 of 1532 🔗

CCP social credit system

433272 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1335 of 1532 🔗

I can’t read it. It would be too much right now. I’d suspect its a case of “it’s just an app, it’s only temporary, it’ll save granny”

Can they just leave us alone. It’s relentless

433496 ▶▶ J-Knight, replying to Tenchy, #1336 of 1532 🔗

Vaccine Loyalty Card

433190 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1337 of 1532 🔗

Politicians of Left and Right join forces to challenge lockdowns

One of the main features of the UK lockdowns has been the near-uniform consensus around them. As each one has gone by, cross-party support for lockdowns has only strengthened while fewer voices have been willing to offer anything in the way of dissent. Two notable exceptions, however, come from the British parliamentary system: Lord David Blunkett, a famous figure of the New Labour movement and former Home Secretary, and Sir Charles Walker, a prominent Conservative Party backbencher and vice chairman of the 1922 Committee, the all-important backbencher group that decides the leader of the party.

Toby Young gets a mention

433234 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1338 of 1532 🔗

In my dotage I am more on the right than the left but for some reason I always had a soft spot for Blunkett. Seemed less slippery than most of the rest.

I remember him saying people should not be ashamed to be proud of being English

433246 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, 3, #1339 of 1532 🔗

Blunkett wrote a piece recently (linked to on here I believe a few days back) in which he said quite clearly, freedom to go where you like is a fundamental democratic right. Good man.

433256 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1340 of 1532 🔗

I used to despise him too. But he’s come good.

433292 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to sophie123, 8, #1341 of 1532 🔗

For me the new dividing line is pro lockdown or not.I can have no respect for anyone who is in favour or has failed to speak out.
All other issues are now irrelevant until freedom is restored.

433322 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1342 of 1532 🔗

Yes.

If you are in prison, then one thing occupies your thoughts day and night.

How to get out.

I am not interested in amusing myself – I want out.

433442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to rockoman, 1, #1343 of 1532 🔗

Prisons all around you though, even if you can get out.
And that’s indeed a, very frustrating, first in human history.

433294 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1344 of 1532 🔗

Blunkett along with Blair and Brown, Campbell and the rest were part of the junta that really set in motion the destruction of this country. Offering praise to him is the equivalent to thanking your abuser for ringing an ambulance after you’ve tried to top yourself.

433237 ▶▶ tony rattray, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1345 of 1532 🔗

Excellent discussion. Shared.

433195 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 20, #1346 of 1532 🔗

OMG, new mutant strain found in Finland that can evade tests!!!

New Mutant COVID Strain Discovered In Finland Which May Evade Tests | ZeroHedge

Yeah, these people think we are really, really stupid.

433198 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1347 of 1532 🔗

LOL!

433223 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1348 of 1532 🔗

SAGE’s prayers answered

433233 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1349 of 1532 🔗

Okay, who had Finland in the variant sweep? Come and get your prize!

433288 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1350 of 1532 🔗

How did they find it? How can they measure it? The variant scam is the one that keeps giving.All over the world people are being terrified by different countries strains.i forgot what one we are meant to be afraid of this week.

433220 JHUNTZ, 4, #1351 of 1532 🔗

I can just see it now.

March 2021 – all these selfish protestors have forced us to implement tighter controls to stop the spread of the virus. Maybe they will demand vaccines to participate in large crowds with significant penalities/ arrests for those that don’t have any (which will be most of the crowd). Sheeple all in agreement.

This June carrot is timed nicely to create some more divide and conquer during the inevitable protests and allow for greater control.

433226 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1352 of 1532 🔗

Daily Testing numbers: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

17-02-2021 578,844
18-02-2021 560,400
19-02-2021 521,230
20-02-2021 408,118
21-02-2021 590,591
22-02-2021 670,560
23-02-2021 594,629

Have to ask; how many times a week are they testing NHS staff and patients, Healthcare staff, Care Home staff and patients?

433243 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1353 of 1532 🔗

Teachers as well it seems. Had a chat with someone I know last night. Her daughter-in-law is a teacher and she is tested twice a week.

433281 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biggles, 1, #1354 of 1532 🔗

Thanks, Biggles, forgot about them.

433459 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Biggles, #1355 of 1532 🔗

Old people’s homes and prisons? There was a rumour that our local prison had an outbreak of cases. I wondered if they had all just been vaccinated.

433304 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1356 of 1532 🔗

Numerous workplaces where people have to be tested several times a week.

433238 Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #1357 of 1532 🔗

Our theme tune for the proposed modern apartheid?

https://youtu.be/R-ZplG81oZg

I particularly like the verse:

“She even knows how to swing opinion, in every magazine and the journals. For every bad move that this joanna makes they’ve got a good explanation.”

433242 Tom Blackburn, 1, #1358 of 1532 🔗
433279 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1360 of 1532 🔗

Interesting that he tweets what someone else is saying. Why isn’t he saying it?

Good to see so many asking Baker, “What are YOU going to do about it?”

433291 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1361 of 1532 🔗

He’s a totally useless cunt.

433245 scuzzaman, replying to scuzzaman, 21, #1362 of 1532 🔗

First the experts told us that masks don’t work. (Fair play, some said they do work but aren’t necessary in this case.)
Then the experts told us that masks do work, but only some people should wear them.
Then the experts told us that we all should wear them.
Then our governments started telling us that we all must wear cloth masks.
Now, here in Germany, the government has told us that, if we want to buy food, we MUST wear a medical standard mask.
None of them have considered that the medical mask mandate is an admission that cloth masks are inadequate (“don’t work”) nor bothered to explain why so many millions of people have worn them for so long, nor why anyone should trust people with both our health and our livelihoods and our dearly won freedom, who have such an appalling record.

433249 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to scuzzaman, 8, #1363 of 1532 🔗

Isn’t it incredible that two of the most totalitarian regimes are in Germany and Israel. It’s like these cunts are picking on them deliberately.

433307 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to scuzzaman, 2, #1364 of 1532 🔗

Be grateful Biden was elected. Fauchi’s next wheeze was multiple masks simultaneously. That idea seems to have disappeared down the memory hole now St Biden has slain The Virus.

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433439 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to scuzzaman, 1, #1365 of 1532 🔗

Oh they have considered this and know it full well, but they, the MSM and the sheeple, completely ignore it and prefer to be in denial about it.
Germany has experience with Gessler hats, which is why it cranks down so harsh on any dissenters here.
It is by far the worst Western country in that regard.
You need a medical certificate to be exempt, businesses often don’t accept it and can only rarely be held accountable for this discrimination.
Instead of defending the rights of the idscriminated exempted, the police, courts and doctors associations have instituted a witch hunt on the exempt and on the doctors issuing the exemption certificates,they have gone full Nazi again here.
The treatment of children in schools there is the most appalling.
Thank God that the UK government seems to be a little less zealous in that regard at least.

433247 ekd, replying to ekd, 16, #1366 of 1532 🔗

Lockdown is essentially a state of mind. If you choose to ignore it, it vanishes. Most of the restrictions are illusory. They have force only to the degree that they are adhered to. I really don’t care what the majority do or think anymore. I choose to be free. I invite you to do likewise, but whether you do or not will change nothing for me. I’m free!

433251 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to ekd, 17, #1367 of 1532 🔗

I ignore it but it shuts down so many things I enjoy doing. Without a free market and the inaliable right to travel we are far from free whether we pretend or not.

433253 ▶▶▶ ekd, replying to JHUNTZ, -1, #1368 of 1532 🔗

You can travel. I’ve been traveling continually over the past year. It’s in your mind.

433265 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to ekd, 4, #1369 of 1532 🔗

How is travelling abroad in my mind? I have to go through multiple loopholes and lie if I want to get away and many places in the world i need to take a 10 day quarantine.

433268 ▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to JHUNTZ, -2, #1370 of 1532 🔗

Have you tried?

433276 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to ekd, 1, #1371 of 1532 🔗

Not since these recent rules + the testing/masking requirement

433278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to JHUNTZ, -1, #1372 of 1532 🔗

All in your mind….

433287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to ekd, 1, #1373 of 1532 🔗

Okay we can agree to disagree

433298 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1374 of 1532 🔗

The vast majority of these “rules” are unenforceable or unenforced. Most of this shit isn’t even legal. You will find that if you ignore the propaganda, you can do a lot more than you think….

433371 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to ekd, 3, #1375 of 1532 🔗

I agree. My eldest son visited us in France over Xmas, although it was ‘not possible’. My youngest son flew from London to Denver in September, although it was ‘not possible’. My daughter drove from Amsterdam to Portugal and back from October to February ( this month) although it was ‘not possible’. My wife and I have been in the Canaries since 1 Jan, although it was ‘not possible’.
If you are persistent, you can find ways.
As a ‘geographically challenged’ family we decided that we had to travel, so we have.

433383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to peyrole, #1376 of 1532 🔗

Exactly. My experience is the same. Most of the “restrictions” are “mental”. Planes are still flying. Hotels are still open! And yes, even restaurants. Stop being plebs and obeying the TV.

433335 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to ekd, #1377 of 1532 🔗

I can travel there, but can’t get in.

433313 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1378 of 1532 🔗

100%.
I ignore it wherever I can – no mask, meeting up with unsheep family and friends wherever/whenever we can. But my biggest bile is I can’t go to my place (£3600 pa static caravan, private, gorgeous views, mental health) because the ‘government’ has closed it. ‘Oh please Boris, please let me have a bit of my civil rights back, 50 years of tax/NI Conts, never claimed or complained… please please ….. I promise I’ll wear a mask and vote for you in the May elections 😬 🤞 🤞 ’.(not)
Pointed out to some sheep today that when a government decree the air that you breath (via mask mandate) then you’re so far from freedom, democracy and civil liberties that even a microscope couldn’t see it. Needless to say I got ‘the look’. Twa£s.

433323 ▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Andrea Salford, #1379 of 1532 🔗

How can the government close your caravan? Just go.

433332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to ekd, #1380 of 1532 🔗

The site is gate locked. Otherwise I’d be there.

433339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Andrea Salford, -1, #1381 of 1532 🔗

Free your mind.

433349 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to ekd, #1382 of 1532 🔗

Yeah, whatever.

433352 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1383 of 1532 🔗

Ditto, Andrea. Last year when the holiday abroad was cancelled, I thought, “right, I’ll just go to my caravan instead”. Ha bloody ha.

433362 ▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Nymeria, -1, #1384 of 1532 🔗

Honestly people, restrictions only apply to the extent that people respect them. Wake up!

433369 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to ekd, 1, #1385 of 1532 🔗

The site had to follow government guidelines and shut. They had to be classed as ‘covid safe’ before being allowed to reopen late in the summer. Believe me, I would have been there like a shot otherwise.

433389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Nymeria, -1, #1386 of 1532 🔗

The site is shut. Your caravan isn’t.

433414 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to ekd, 1, #1387 of 1532 🔗

True, I have a key to get in. But on discovery, I’d be thrown off the site. Also, the heating and other utilities would not have been reconnected after the winter ‘drain down’. The owners have their home on the site and it would be no easy thing to avoid them.

433441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Nymeria, -1, #1388 of 1532 🔗

Just do it. Talk to them.

433257 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to ekd, 14, #1389 of 1532 🔗

I’m glad you feel free. But freedom of thought is not freedom to me. I can’t run my business and earn a living, or socialise with other human beings without their consent. My state of mind does not change those things.

433295 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to ekd, 1, #1390 of 1532 🔗

I get the sentiment, but try telling that to people with closed business.

433301 ▶▶▶ ekd, replying to PoshPanic, #1391 of 1532 🔗

Why don’t they open?

433311 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to ekd, 2, #1392 of 1532 🔗

Fairpoint. But for many it won’t end well if they try alone. There needs to be a coordinated rebellion.

433320 ▶▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to PoshPanic, #1393 of 1532 🔗

One… at … a …time.

433368 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to ekd, 1, #1394 of 1532 🔗

So please name 5 restaurants you’ve been to this year.

433419 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to PastImperfect, #1396 of 1532 🔗

I just watched this and is definitely worth checking out. The plot thickens…just follow the money. And don’t think the Oxford AstraZeneca “vaccine” is a better choice.

433433 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1397 of 1532 🔗

Germans are refusing the AZ vaccine in droves.
Stories are also making the rounds that it can indeed, in rare cases, lead to an altered DNA, even in ‘respectable’ magazines.
But mostly, it’s the nationalistic herd instinct at work.

433259 Cheezilla, 2, #1398 of 1532 🔗

Presumably this one’s called Boris:

433262 Banjones, 8, #1399 of 1532 🔗

Re Florida – I read a comment from someone today in the US who said that, if someone is hopsitalised in Florida, the first treatment they get is Invermectin. Could this play a part in the low numbers of ‘covid’ sufferers?

433263 isobar, 13, #1400 of 1532 🔗

Really? DM readers not buying this anymore, see best rated comments.
‘Lockdown has wiped out flu: NO cases of influenza have been detected in England this year because of tough social distancing measures, experts say’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295743/NO-cases-influenza-detected-England-year-social-distancing-measures.html

Best rated comment 1831 upticks 92 downticks

So lockdowns – work for flu – useless for covid. And isn’t it strange that NO ONE has ever suggested locking down each winter to save the thousands who die from flu each year? #FluDeathsMatterToo

Best rated comment 1831 upticks versus 92 downticks

5th best rated comment

Because all flu deaths are recorded as covid. 1069 upticks 40 down ticks

433266 isobar, replying to isobar, 10, #1401 of 1532 🔗

‘So much for freedom! Government launches ANOTHER Covid advert telling people to stay at home despite falling rates after being accused of ‘scaremongering’ over terrifying ‘look them in the eyes’ campaign’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295427/Government-launches-Covid-advert-encouraging-lockdown-weary-Britons-going.html#comments

Best rated comments overwhelmingly hostile!

433273 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to isobar, 5, #1402 of 1532 🔗

Isn’t it amazing that people don’t recognise acTORS when they see them? My cousin is ”’terrified” by those pictures, so obviously they do work.

433312 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Banjones, 2, #1403 of 1532 🔗

But I wonder for how much longer. My sense is that people have become inured to these adverts and increasingly ignore them. Sorry about your cousin though!

433275 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to isobar, 15, #1404 of 1532 🔗

Top comment:

I have looked Hancock in the eyes, there is nothing there.

433308 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1405 of 1532 🔗

No surprise there!

433277 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to isobar, 5, #1406 of 1532 🔗

Absolutely awful, vile, manipulative. How do the people who make these things live with themselves?

433286 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Dan L, 3, #1407 of 1532 🔗

Drugs.

433321 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Dan L, 1, #1408 of 1532 🔗

Probably money from our all caring (not) government. Having said that, I don’t know how the people who develop these adverts can sleep at night. As you say awful and vile. Disgusting that our government should target their own people in this way, mental cruelty.

433314 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to isobar, 9, #1409 of 1532 🔗

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433315 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 10, #1410 of 1532 🔗

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433317 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 14, #1411 of 1532 🔗

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433324 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 9, #1412 of 1532 🔗

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433327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 15, #1413 of 1532 🔗

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433329 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 8, #1414 of 1532 🔗

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433331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 6, #1415 of 1532 🔗

There. Now fuck off, wankers.

433341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 10, #1416 of 1532 🔗

I’d rather see them displayed thus:

433343 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 4, #1417 of 1532 🔗

Bojo, Wancock, Fuckwitty, Damn Tamm, and Pants Down

433424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #1418 of 1532 🔗

Very good!

433345 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #1419 of 1532 🔗

Too funny 🙂

433326 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #1420 of 1532 🔗

Terrific, what more can I say!

433346 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #1421 of 1532 🔗

I’d never grow tired of punching that

433382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1422 of 1532 🔗

Could make a good archery target or dartboard.

433430 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #1423 of 1532 🔗

Too late – I already have vomited, at the sight of his knocking-piece.

433357 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #1424 of 1532 🔗

“My Daddy helped set up The Independent. That paper that was so in demand it is now only published online. I want to see this country follow a similar path, which is why I would like Amol Rajan to be appointed Prime Minister after my beloved departs office. I believe he could really make the difference. My latest idea is we should have carbon emission passports. People won’t be allowed to leave their homes or watch TV if they have exceeded their allotted carbon emissions limit. Of course important people who work in government and media will need larger limits because they have to attend lots of crucial environmental conferences abroad, but I think this is something that could really change the mood of the country. “

433379 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #1425 of 1532 🔗

They’re different sizes.

433374 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, 3, #1426 of 1532 🔗

I think Stay at Home is gasping its last breaths, for this summer at least. They need to just give up on it now.

433267 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #1427 of 1532 🔗

Cracks is appearing in LD prescription for France. Several French scientists involved in the C19 response in France in an unusual highly critical comment of LD in Lancet just published. Also some doubts about immunisations achieving herd immunity .They also speculate about the variants and subtly discuss LD as a cause of this. Clearly against LD but some usual stupidities with facemask and light SD for young but “open” up society. Still steps in the right direction in an MSM medical journal
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(21)00036-0/fulltextImmune evasion means we need a new COVID-19 social contract

433350 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1428 of 1532 🔗

Unfortunately they have been going nutty in France with the PCRs. 31,000 ‘cases’ over the last 24 hours after averages of over 20k for the school holiday period. So now its local lockdowns over weekends in some departments.
The ‘UK’ variant is getting some of the blame, but the ‘revolt’ by 5 members of the ‘Sage equivalent body’ has tweaked Veran’s nose , so he is throwing his toys out the pram.

433423 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to peyrole, 2, #1429 of 1532 🔗

Same in Sweden, apparently.
I am more and more convinced that they are all in it and all have a certain role to play, including Sweden, OZ, NZ.

433270 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 6, #1430 of 1532 🔗

Is it a coincidence that a whole slew of ‘holiday in the UK’ programs have sprung up on the TV? The next stage of the brainwash. You won’t be going abroad in anytime soon.

433285 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to eastender53, 2, #1431 of 1532 🔗

Mass tourism is over in line with agenda 21/30

433271 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 24, #1432 of 1532 🔗

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but on my supermarket shop this evening I just learned that red nose day is coming.

I think I am among friends here so I’m going to reveal a dark secret – I cannot stand red nose day. I hate it so much. And my mind can’t fully grasp the hell that is the upcoming coronavirus red nose day. In Sainsburys they were announcing the impending horror and reminding people that they wouldn’t be able to show their noses this year. One thing I approve of. Although I do imagine there will be red nose face rags to replace the nose. Definitely a day if any day for me to self isolate.

433280 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Dan L, 6, #1433 of 1532 🔗

Lenny Henry day, innit. Gotta celebrate it or be cast out of crass society.

433282 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Dan L, 11, #1434 of 1532 🔗

might as well re name it brown nose day this year

433296 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Dan L, 2, #1435 of 1532 🔗

Going to be hell- red noses and masks. Think I’ll be sticking below the radar too.

433338 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Dan L, 3, #1436 of 1532 🔗

Fortunately David Lammy has given us good reason to ignore it. Supporting that charity is racist.

433367 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dan L, 2, #1437 of 1532 🔗

My MIL predicted red nose face nappies about a month ago. They’re coming, I know it, I can feel it in the air.

433412 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1438 of 1532 🔗

Thats good I was worried I might have imagined red nose masks into existence by mistake!

433284 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 24, #1439 of 1532 🔗

PUPILS CANNOT BE FORCED TO WEAR MASKS OR TEST! says the government.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/24/schools-told-not-punish-pupils-refuse-wear-masks/

This is a story which tells me that the government have had a lot of pushback from angry parents. Now we’ve cracked schools, it’s time to move onto retail.

433293 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Liberty, 9, #1440 of 1532 🔗

Williamson’s open letter to parents, carers and guardians: https://dfemedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/02/23/an-open-letter-from-education-secretary-gavin-williamson-to-parents-carers-and-guardians/

All parents should print it off and get their kids to keep a copy in their school bag to wave at teachers and heads when they ‘ insist ‘. My daughter already has a copy in her bag for college.

433305 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1441 of 1532 🔗

Logged Thanks

433328 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1442 of 1532 🔗

Thanks, have forwarded to friends who think it is compulsory.

433290 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 7, #1443 of 1532 🔗

21 Dec 2020 – UK govt starts distributing vitamin D supplements to vulnerable elderly people. One month later, the death rate starts dropping. Coincidence?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vitamin-d-for-vulnerable-groups/vitamin-d-and-clinically-extremely-vulnerable-cev-guidance

433361 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #1444 of 1532 🔗

Probably not, since they only gave them a pointlessly minuscule dose, didn’t they?

433297 bebophaircut, 4, #1445 of 1532 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RghziC5GME

Charlie Brown & Lucy: The Football
Look familiar?

433300 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1446 of 1532 🔗

Testing, testing. I don’t think this be working?

Oh, ’tis. But it’s shot off down the page!

433310 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1447 of 1532 🔗

Tracking, tracking, tracing, tracing. Not working neither.

433316 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1448 of 1532 🔗

Tech issue.
22.20 Wednesday.
Oldest comment is shown as 11 hours ago, todays ATL was posted about 6am so first 7 hours of comments are missing.
Also ‘newest comments’ button is not working.

Ed. This post appeared randomly between others timed at 2 hours and 9 minutes ago.

433325 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1449 of 1532 🔗

There is an explanation! Clue – pin

433333 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Steeve, 3, #1450 of 1532 🔗

Bloody annoying 😬 .

433340 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1451 of 1532 🔗

Yes – just gave the message a down tick

433348 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steeve, 2, #1452 of 1532 🔗

Interesting question it posed, but why was it pinned? Lots of interesting questions are posed here every day. Like that one I just posed. .

433353 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to OKUK, #1453 of 1532 🔗

No idea – it has been pinned since posted I think.

433342 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1454 of 1532 🔗

Someone stickied a comnent and screwed things up chronologically.

433378 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1455 of 1532 🔗

The spooks or gremlins are messing with our heads OR some irritating knob in admin thought it was a good idea to pin that comment at the top, which isn’t so bad except the 5 trillion replies messes shit up. Yes you can hide the replies, shame you can’t hide the comment because ferguson isn’t worthy of debate

433330 danny, replying to danny, 12, #1456 of 1532 🔗

So according to the headlines tonight we have eradicated flu. Not one case recorded.
All due apparently to social distancing and lockdown. Didn’t stop Covid, which looks remarkably like flu (pure coincidence) but has ended the reign of the previously most widespread (and for the frail and infirm, deadly) virus in the world.
Isn’t that something.

433344 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to danny, 15, #1457 of 1532 🔗

…someone phone up Big Pharma and cancel the order for 2 billion flu vaccine shots. That’ll teach ’em.

433360 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to danny, 8, #1458 of 1532 🔗

To summarize 120,000 died over 2 (TWO) yes 2, respiratory disease seasons, 95% died of old age, i.e. they were so old, combined with co-morbidity, their body was unable to cope with even mild attack on their immune system. Death is part of life

The remainder, died from an act of nature/god (depending on your beliefs) as in the manner of all things scientific there are few certainties, one certain fact is death! Everyone dies no exceptions (which gives me hope & a warm feeling about bill gates). Those who didn’t die of old age, just didn’t win the genetic bingo & either had co-morbidity or simply a weak or rare immune response.

Nothing happened in 2020/21 to justify Lockdown.

433435 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1459 of 1532 🔗

I agree. The nation had a media-induced, government-approved panic attack. But why? Governments normally seek to reassure their people, not frighten them to death.

433447 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, #1460 of 1532 🔗

I still despise the government for hiding the fact that only 6 children died of Covid during lockdowna1, all with severe comorbidities.
They only released this reassuring information three days before they wanted schools to reopen for the summer term thinking they could turn the fear, induced by them, on and off like tap.

433364 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to danny, 4, #1461 of 1532 🔗

Don’t forget – flu has also been eradicated in Sweden and Belarus, but not in Cambodia, which has recorded not a single ‘covid death’.

433387 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to danny, 4, #1462 of 1532 🔗

“How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?”