2021-02-25

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433486 jos, replying to jos, 11, #1 of 1647 🔗

Early bird!

433487 ▶▶ jos, replying to jos, 21, #2 of 1647 🔗

Sorry for the pathetic comment but I was so shocked to be first!

433505 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to jos, 1, #3 of 1647 🔗

This will shock you

Vaccine overdose error prompts urgent national review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Jv8xZk2MI

433553 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #4 of 1647 🔗

Sure… wrong dose.

433863 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jos, 11, #5 of 1647 🔗

Sorry for the pathetic comment

So you should be. 😉

As part of being first, you’re supposed to make some great inspirational speech to get us upbeat and ready to face another day of this madness.

Must do better next time. C- 🙂

433930 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Ceriain, 3, #6 of 1647 🔗

That’s more than I deserve 🤦‍♀️

434455 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to jos, 5, #7 of 1647 🔗

Four legal academics, 3 from Oxford, advise the UK Government on how to facillitate bypassing the Human Rights Act without the requirement for new legislation, in order to detain (via sectioning) non-conformists under the Mental Health Act, so they can be forcibly vaccinated. (Document on government website).

https://gab.com/Cutting_Edge/posts/105792053550931938
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/html/

434631 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #8 of 1647 🔗

Charmers, aren’t they?

434762 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #9 of 1647 🔗

We are academics working in the areas of philosophy and law, with specialisations in, inter alia, moral and political philosophy, biomedical ethics, health law, and human rights law.

Certainly learning the opposite of the noble sentiments most of us would assume those disciplines would embrace.

433502 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to jos, 10, #10 of 1647 🔗

Early bird indeed

England Reports ZERO Cases Of The Flu In 2021. Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7cwYlvAhM
Anthony Brian Logan

433521 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #11 of 1647 🔗

Time warp, with heavy emphasis on ‘warp’.

434304 ▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to jos, 1, #12 of 1647 🔗

The early bird gets the surgical mask wrapped round its wings.

434445 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Crimson Avenger, 1, #13 of 1647 🔗

This is unfortunately happening..to wildlife in general. I have found these foulnesses on the moors, beach and sandhills etc..

433490 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 9, #14 of 1647 🔗
433503 ▶▶ Lockdown Sceptic, replying to wendyk, 4, #15 of 1647 🔗

A lawyer should see this

A British Public Information Film on the threat of Coronavirus, released in the 1970s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q7HkxNhnXA&list=WL&index=22

434796 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #16 of 1647 🔗

That’s just brilliant! Thought it was recent. Didn’t realise it was published so long ago. Someone way ahead of the curve. Some excellent comments too.

435052 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Cheezilla, #17 of 1647 🔗

Pretty sure this is a piss take of public information films of the 1970s coupled with sheeple’s current paranoia. Bloody good one too.

435096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HoMojo, #18 of 1647 🔗

Yes. By “so long ago” I was referring to May last year!

435077 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, #19 of 1647 🔗

Thursday am there were earlier comments than this by wendyk.

433492 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 80, #20 of 1647 🔗

There is a well known positive correlation between the societal level of fear of infectious disease and authoritarianism(1). The government has spent the past year waging a campaign of terror, deliberately attempting to increase people’s fear of the coronavirus, as was advised by a sub-committee of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies(2). This whipping up of fear of an infectious disease has been run in tandem with a legal hollowing out of parliamentary democracy, as the Coronavirus Act 2020, which was passed without scrutiny or division, made clear. Part 2 Section 90 of the Act provides for rule by ministerial decree(3). Since when we have seen constant changes to the law by Statutory Instruments, often with virtually no notice and generally with no parliamentary oversight. The effect of the government’s actions has been to sweep away the historical assumption of English liberty and replace it with the assumption that one may only do that which is expressly permitted. This has turned the country into a police state where authorities interpret their role as enforcing, not law, but guidance, ministerial preferences, and even “the spirit of the rules”. In this context, anything that runs contrary to the official narrative of combating the “deadly disease” can be swept aside: anything: constitutional principles, laws, ethics, human rights, individual autonomy, morality itself.

(1) https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0062275
(2) https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf
(3) https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/section/90/enacted

434869 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #21 of 1647 🔗

As I have been saying since April::

REPEAL CORONAVIRUS ACT – NOW

433494 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 207, #22 of 1647 🔗

The Govt cannot mandate the vaccine for anyone. All the vaccines although given emergency approval are still in the experimental stages and as such can’t be forced on people.
By taking the vaccine people are “agreeing” to participate in the experimental trial with no comeback for.any adverse effects.
It’s a worldwide protocol .

Where are the professional bodies/ unions standing up for their members.

Where are the lawyers

Where are the ,usually vociferous, civil rights judiciary.

In the US less than half the armed forces have been willing to take it and the govt can’t make them.

People on here and places like the telegraph are totally mistaken to think that the govt can mandate it or that somehow it’s essential to be able to go back to their holiday homes in Euroland.
We need public resistance to the imposition of regular injections by govt simply to go about our ordinary affairs.

This is the thin end of the wedge.The first time to say NO was last March but people couldn’t see what was going on . Now is the time to say NO to the vax.
This is the last meaningful opportunity we will get.
If the mass of people go along with it ,any refuseniks will be fighting a rearguard action.

433497 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bill Grates, 86, #23 of 1647 🔗

Apparently, the Health Secretary hasn’t heard of health care ethics and the Declaration of Helsinki and the Nuremberg Code are mysteries.

433784 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, 74, #24 of 1647 🔗

The NHS recently phoned me offering CovoFlu experimental gene therapy. When I politely refused, I was told (in no uncertain terms) that failure to sign up would impact on my freedom to travel. I replied that this statement sounded very much like a direct threat. The conversation quickly died as the person went into full on denial mode, and hung up. Psyops indeed!

433787 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 26, #25 of 1647 🔗

I thought that the jab recruiters would say that about not being able to travel, it is a threat. Good you called them out on it. I would have done to.

433789 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 35, #26 of 1647 🔗

If I get a call like that I would immediately start recording the conversation and send it alongside a letter of complaint. That person should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Who are they? The Mafia?

433846 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Bart Simpson, 37, #27 of 1647 🔗

I mentioned the incident only because this coercion must be going on on countless thousands of times a day – and readers must be prepared. Be sure the NHS agent will not be “ thoroughly ashamed”, just annoyed that they are another sucker short of achieving the sign up quota for their shift.
This brand of corporate psyops has been developed and tested for decades within the cold-call phishing sector, from selling double glazing to hoaxing the gullible out of life savings etc.
It would appear the government sees this strategy as entirely justified, and is therefore entrusting multi-million NHS gene-therapy recruitment contracts to its more, erm, shady private associates.

433909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 12, #28 of 1647 🔗

Good point. Hence I am grateful that I don’t have a landline and have not gotten around to registering with a GP.

In fact I might make the latter permanent.

433942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #29 of 1647 🔗

Given cosy little old fashioned and hitherto trustworthy GP practices are being sold off to US private equity firms, I suspect you might well have the right idea!
https://www.nhsforsale.info/private-providers/the-practice-group-ltd-new/

434108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 9, #30 of 1647 🔗

I’ve long been opposed to this postcode apartheid that we’re forced into when registering for a GP. Why can’t I register near where I work? Perveresely its easier to get to GPs near my work than where I live!

434312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #31 of 1647 🔗

It used to be the case of whether the doctor was prepared to visit you. Since they stopped making house calls I have no idea what the excuse is now.

435081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #32 of 1647 🔗

Cameron promised that we would be allowed to do just that but then decided that surgeries should be run in the interests of managers rather than to the benefit of patients.

434880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #33 of 1647 🔗

I have a landline, screen the calls and answer only those I want to.

433889 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 5, #34 of 1647 🔗

Did a phone number come up when they called you? I’d like to know so I can block it.

433922 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to fiery, 15, #35 of 1647 🔗

It was my local surgery. The scam is in the methodology being used not the source of the call, and the fact one’s local surgery are prepared to buy into to this coercive methodology is a particular concern, as we trust them to hold our medical records in strictest confidence.
Looking at Bart’s reply, above, I think he has the right idea!!

434012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 15, #36 of 1647 🔗

My local surgery rang me twice and not taking no for an answer then referred me to the NHS central unit to take up the matter. What is it about “no” that these people don’t understand.

434641 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Rowan, 4, #37 of 1647 🔗

That’s weird. I got a letter from NHS England, which required no response so I ignored it. This was followed up by my local GP surgery. I haven’t returned the call yet.

434390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #38 of 1647 🔗

I’d like to leave my current GP for various reasons but I require ongoing medication. Does anyone know how I can get this without being registered at a GP surgery?

434839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stalfie, replying to TreeHugger, 1, #39 of 1647 🔗

Use a walk-in centre?

434910 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to stalfie, 1, #40 of 1647 🔗

I’m not sure that would work, they’d want a blood test every 2 months without detailed history. I’m on thyroxine and prescription hasn’t changed in years, I usually get away with annual bloods. I will have to do some research.

433940 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to fiery, 2, #41 of 1647 🔗

The number of the person (Gemma) who rang me, for a chat about vaccines was 03005610240.

433954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Rowan, 1, #42 of 1647 🔗

Thanks – already have this one blocked but good to know this is a number they use.

433976 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Rowan, 4, #43 of 1647 🔗

Checking that number out, it belongs to the NHS Immunisation Management Service. The 0300 code belongs to government and is not geographically related.

433973 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to fiery, 3, #44 of 1647 🔗

Just remembered, I did have an earlier call from 0300 5610230, which is NHS Immunisation Management Service. I thought that would be that – but clearly not.
PS: The number Rowan has given, 0300 5610240, is also from the same block of numbers used by NHS IMS (I verified this online).

434001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 9, #45 of 1647 🔗

Block numbers ending in 220, 230, 240, 250, 260, 270, 280 , 290, and with a bit of luck they won’t get hold of you. If they ring me again, I will report them to the local police with a complaint of harassment. It might just stir things up a bit.

434887 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to fiery, 1, #46 of 1647 🔗

I have been seeing “NO NUMBER” for the vax calls.

435085 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to fiery, #47 of 1647 🔗

If you have your Surgery in your phone contacts the name will come up as you input it, unless they make it anonymous.

433500 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bill Grates, 38, #48 of 1647 🔗

They know that. We know that. They know we know that. We know they know that we know they know that. SUCH a waste of time, the whole thing!!

433604 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #49 of 1647 🔗

But they are still pushing, to see if they can sucker the public into thinking they have to.

433660 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to stewart, 38, #50 of 1647 🔗

YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT
TO REFUSE
THE VACCINE

434216 ▶▶▶▶▶ popo says, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #51 of 1647 🔗

[ AND THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS ]

434420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PastImperfect, 7, #52 of 1647 🔗

Are the drugs being ‘offered’ (nice job you got there, shame if something … bad … was to happen to it, capiche?) actually vaccines?

Most people think vaccines provide long term or lifelong immunity. These drugs only provide slight reduction of some symptoms in mild cases of the disease (ignoring the side effects which may include death) and do not prevent a drugged person cathcing the disease, passing it on to others or even dying from it.

All vaccines are drugs.
Not all drugs are vaccines.
What exactly, legally and medically, defines a true vaccine?

434535 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #53 of 1647 🔗

Philosophically speaking, does it matter whether it’s a drug or a vaccine? as long as what it does and doesn’t do isn’t misrepresented?

The problem of course, is that it IS being misrepresented. Not so much by the pharma companies (they know to cover their arses, legally), but by governments and media.

433953 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #54 of 1647 🔗

Those plotting to eliminate 90% plus of the population, will leave no stone unturned and spare no expense.

433528 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Bill Grates, 88, #55 of 1647 🔗

When people cheerfully tell you they have been ‘jabbed’ and you ask them with which one? they generally look puzzled. If you say there are 4 very different types under development and the only ones yet available are experimental versions of the first 2 types they do not seem to understand.
For years we have been told to be good consumers and check out out all the options against our needs, people diligently read car test reports before making a purchase but will willingly take this magic potion with no questions asked.
They seem to accept without question that all health matters are run by the nice ladies on ‘Call the Midwife’ and you should just do what they tell you.
Gruppenfuhrer Hancock and his vaccine side kick are not ‘Chummy’ from Call; the Midwife, they are more like a cross between Hannibal Lecter and Dr Strangelove but that is not how much of the public see things.

433554 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #56 of 1647 🔗

Have ‘Which’ produced a report on relative merits of the different brands ?

433832 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 13, #57 of 1647 🔗

They all toxic and should be avoided as though your life depended on doing so, which of course it does.

433569 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Steve Martindale, 51, #58 of 1647 🔗

It’s quite unbelievable how little people question and know and are just blindly accepting. Not only don’t they know which vaccine they have had, they don’t know how they work, they don’t know what’s in them, they don’t know there are several years of trials to go, they don’t know the potential risks other than a sore arm and they have no idea as to efficacy. I have read in several places now that the mRNA type have an absolute risk reduction of only 0.84%. So if correct all they will do is: 1 person out of 100 taking them may get a reduction in some mild symptoms. In other words very little at all. Yesterday a trip to the dentist by my OH, the dentist said he was suddenly much busier. Now people were rebooking their appointments as they felt protected now they had had their first dose. Oh dear.

433574 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Suzyv, 53, #59 of 1647 🔗

To be fair, the absolute risk reduction is small because the absolute risk of severe COVID was very small to start with.

Though that is not what most people seem to believe, thanks to all the scaremongering.

433752 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to sophie123, 10, #60 of 1647 🔗

Whilst you are correct that the risk for people without serious comorbidities from covid is very small, you are NOT correct that this has anything to do with the 0.84% absolute efficacy of Pfizer vaccine in reducing some symptoms.
The 0.84% is the correct calculation from the trial results to obtain the emergency use approval. It is calculated from the number of people in the trials, approx 18,000 in both vaccine and placebo groups and the number found to have reductions in symptoms.
Please don’t get this confused, it only aids the covidians if we get our facts wrong.

434546 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to peyrole, 5, #61 of 1647 🔗

If you reduce a very small risk by even 100%, it’s only going to take you from a tiny number to a tinier one. That’s my point.

If COVID were killing a third of the population, and the Pfizer vaccine reduced that risk by 85% (or whatever the data say the relative risk reduction is), then the absolute risk reduction would be impressive. But who cares, when the risk is so small in the first instance?

433864 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Suzyv, 6, #62 of 1647 🔗

And the 0.84% is based on the makers own unaudited figures, which I personally wouldn’t trust for one moment. I suspect the absolute reduction for Covid is zero and from that we can then deduct the apparently high risks associated with the “vaccine” itself, though of course these are not yet known with the trials still having some considerable time to run. Only the simple and the ‘desperate to travel’ types would allow these toxic products to be pumped into their bodies.

434073 ▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Suzyv, 9, #63 of 1647 🔗

Yet another way medics get away with more or less forcing their patients to accept a drug or treatment. Medical persuasion using relative relatives rather than absolute. A cancer treatment was more or less forced on me a few years ago with wonderful stats to back it up. All results were shown as relatives and when worked out the absolute benefits were pitifully small compared with the side effects (further cancers etc). Always ask for the ABSOLUTE benefits. If someone is highly unlikely to get flu or die from it then how can the monkey gunk offer over 90% protection? What’s 90% of next to nothing? In the very elderly with comorbidities a ‘vaccine’ is worthless and we are actually seeing more deaths in that group.

433595 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bill Grates, 27, #64 of 1647 🔗

Hear, hear!!! And why is it that they’re suppressing reports of multiple side effects that people are experiencing and especially deaths? Could it be because they don’t want to sow the seeds of doubt in people?

I always adivse people to look into how the Swine flu vaccine turned out to be a costly mistake for the government and why they’ve been withdrawn from the market. The fallout from that is very much like what we’re seeing today.

433876 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #65 of 1647 🔗

But will they withdraw these dangerous vaccines from the market. I suspect they won’t as the dangers of these products are highly likely to be intentional.

433913 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rowan, 2, #66 of 1647 🔗

That’s a good question and I don’t know the answer. But I won’t be surprised if they do end up withdrawing them from the market especially if too many people are suffering from various side effects or even dying.

434425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #67 of 1647 🔗

This exercise is largely a test for the mRNA as a drug delivery mechanism, leading the way to supposedly personalised drugs. The ‘personalised’ drugs, conveniently for Big Pharma’s bottom line, cannot be mass tested (their largest expense). If problems then occur, it is one person against one multinational corporation.

433620 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Bill Grates, 62, #68 of 1647 🔗

I still find it amazing that even with so much time on their hand due to furlough etc so many of the people out there (friends and family included) are just not interested in looking into even the basics of any of this. Any time I bring up research into this issue I just get ‘I haven’t got time to read all of that’.

Quite often I don’t know whether to laugh or just punch the lazy fekkers in the face. I’ve opted for option 1…for now but its getting close to option 2.

433664 ▶▶ kate, replying to Bill Grates, 20, #69 of 1647 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD9RAINcyBU&ab_channel=Comit%C3%A9scientifiqueAntidoteEurope

The above link is to a documentary about aluminium in vaccines, and Professor Gherardi’s research over the past twenty years which established the link.

About one in three of the chronic fatigue patients they saw had evidence of aluminium deposits in their white cells, which travel to the brain, causing neurological deficits – fatigue, pain, poor concentration, anxiety and depression.
They named this new disease macrophagic myofasciitis (MMF)

They even discovered that the more recent aluminium containing vaccines were the most dangerous because the aluminium particles were small enough to be engulfed and transported round the body and eventually to the brain INSIDE white blood cells, whereas the old vaccines with large size aluminium salts were walled off and excluded from mixing with other tissues by the body’s inflammatory response to the injection.

This story illustrates how difficult it is to foresee the toxicity of a medical intervention, as the later vaccines, with a lower amount of alum, in smaller particles, were introduced because it was thought that they would be LESS toxic.

This also illustrates that nanoparticles, (which are being enthusiastically introduced in these and future medical interventions), have unknown dangers precisely because they are so small and it cannot be foreseen where they will end up in the body.

If anyone can find a subtitled documentary of the above in English, I would be grateful. It used to be on the internet….

This documentary does a good job of showing what permanent vaccine harm does to people.- you do not get your health back, and you cannot be treated.

433681 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 11, #70 of 1647 🔗

I ought to add that this research was blocked and its research funding withdrawn in about 2016.

It had been going on under the anglophone radar since 1998.
Professor Gherardi protested and stated that research was being controlled and directed into only specified areas, that this was destructive of academic freedom and harmful to patients, but all to no avail.

Aluminium is a known neurotoxin, but was nevertheless introduced into vaccines in the eighties, and the alternatives withdrawn. It was cheap, that was the advantage.
It was known even then among immunologists that alum caused an increase in allergies of all kinds because of the way it stimulated one part of the immune system.

433692 ▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 19, #71 of 1647 🔗

I suppose it took about fifteen to twenty years for the effects of these vaccines to be recognised. And even now forty years later, nothing is being done to protect the population, quite the reverse.

The doctors and researchers who are brave enough to speak out are stigmatised and have their research careers destroyed -quite publicly, as a warning to others.

Take experimental pharmaceuticals at your own risk!

433738 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 23, #72 of 1647 🔗

I suppose I sometimes wonder if there is a depopulation agenda for the future, because attempts to bring these obvious vaccine harms to the attention of legislators and parliament have failed completely.

Ministers have made the most barefaced lies when faced with irrefutable evidence. It has been stated in parliament, that the girls who were injured by the Gardasil vaccine were not vaccine injured, but the phenomenon was only coincidental and was chronic fatigue/ME. A Green MEP also attempted to help these injured girls and was disciplined by her own party for this.

If it has been a longstanding plan among national governments that in 2021 vaccine passports were to be introduced then I suppose any evidence that was emerging to show vaccines to be dangerous had to be suppressed.

I cannot understand otherwise why national governments would tolerate the injury of their own citizens. The group that is harmed are usually young people, the healthiest section of the population, the future workers and taxpayers. How can it benefit governments to create sickness and dependency in their own people? This is a national cost.

If a new disease appears in the young, this is a public health alert. The young are the healthiest subset of the population and have the lowest rate of disease. For them to become ill is unnatural and needs to be investigated.

434063 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kate, 13, #73 of 1647 🔗

I would say you are very much on the right tracks. The points you make about vaccines are valid and yes, there has been a concerted effort over the years to always show them in a good light, no matter the harm they cause. Perhaps all of this was being done to get us ready for the big one(s) and the Covid-19 vaccines do look to fit the bill here. These vaccines are seemingly the lynchpins in what appears to be a very obvious attempt at mass depopulation. There is nothing new about this, the Rockefeller Foundation has been working on mass depopulation policy since the 1920’s and of course the eugenicist Bill Gates started his working life as a Rockefeller protégée.

434002 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to kate, 6, #74 of 1647 🔗

Prof. Hockertz from Germany issued similar explanations.
This issue concerns the proper vaccines, not the gene therapies. And the main problem then seems to be with people whose kidneys don’t work properly at the time, that’s what makes the metal go into the brain and cause damage (my SIL is such a case)- he writes expertises in such cases.

I am intent upon waiting for a traditional vaccine (Novavax) if I can’t avoid it completely.
With them, the adjuvant choice is now indeed the major concern and risk that still needs to be investigated closer beforehand.
Also, the apparent use of nanoparticles.
Their use in conjunction with the adjuvant could increase the risk of brain damage exponentially as they go through every barrier easily. At first sight, it strikes me as pretty idiotic and reckless to use nanoparticles and, in particular a metallic, adjuvant together.

434827 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JayBee, 2, #75 of 1647 🔗

At first sight, it strikes me as pretty idiotic and reckless to use nanoparticles and, in particular a metallic, adjuvant together.

Idiotic indeed, but nevertheless not too surprising.

434473 ▶▶▶ Beowa, replying to kate, 12, #76 of 1647 🔗

I’m amazed to see that the video shows a BaceFook page but on clicking on it I discovered that SS-Oberst gruppen Führer Zucky had removed it
This after discovering that sharing this quote by Dr Mike Yeadon gets a 3 day ban and disagreeing with ban makes it 7 days

433686 ▶▶ Morse, replying to Bill Grates, 35, #77 of 1647 🔗

Totally agree with everything here, I am astounded that (previously) rational, intelligent and logical people are making no attempt to understand what they are putting into their bodies.

I think if that those administering the vaccine explained that the drug had temporary emergency approval, was a brand new technology, has not been tested in the medium and long term and is still in trial phase and to cap it all off if something did go wrong, well sorry no recourse as the company and us are exempt of any and all liability they would most probably say NO. So what is it then IF they are not doing this, it must be ergo, coercion?

It reminds me a lot of that saying your parents and teachers said when you did something someone told you to do when you were young which was clearly stupid. They would say “would you put your hand in a fire if someone told you to do it?”. When you always answered with a sheepish “no”. The government, MSM, and all other propaganda outlets are collectively telling us to stick our hand in the fire and 99% are not only saying YES but are running head on all smiles and laughing with pride to stick their whole bodies into the fire.

Absolute madness. A Masterclass in NLP is being played out in front of our very eyes, Richard Bandler must be wondering what genie he let out of the bottle.

433932 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Bill Grates, 10, #78 of 1647 🔗

I can’t think of any worse crime perpetrated against the human race. Only more localised events are comparable like Nazi Germany or Pol Pot.

435094 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to peyrole, 1, #79 of 1647 🔗

Yes, this genocide/democide will be the daddy of them all and such a strong international flavour to it all. Only a handful of countries not pulling their weight.

433495 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 90, #80 of 1647 🔗

That is the most depressing and chilling editorial so far.

My greatest fear all along has been the permanent loss of personal freedoms and the ground is being laid out for this to happen.

Surely more and more influential people can see that this is what is happening.

The big question now is how to go about harnessing the growing discontent so that a meaningful opposition campaign is mounted while there is still the chance of it succeeding.

How can this campaign be initiated?

433512 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to SilentP, 23, #81 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps make a small start by adding to the 15k+ downvotes on this ITV News pro vaccine propaganda on YouTube.

h/t Hugo Talks

433733 ▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to karenovirus, 19, #82 of 1647 🔗

From the image, passport proving you have had the so called vaccine, but still wearing masks?? Even at this stage , people are being told that distancing and masks to continue even if you have had the jab, so no normality then, and yet do they question what is the point.
We continually hear that over the weeks they are evaluating efficacy and transmission rates – how can they do this if everyone is locked up, masked with little social interaction; more lies.

433612 ▶▶ stewart, replying to SilentP, 43, #83 of 1647 🔗

I am as optimistic as I have been so far since the shitahow began, which I admit isn’t saying much.

But what I see is a public that is deeply sceptical of vaccines and governments struggling to coerce people into taking them.

For the first time I am seeing that the government is facing unsurmoutable challenges.

If I was in government right now I would be very very nervous. The public is getting antsy and if they start turning… God help those who have created this shit show.

433684 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 15, #84 of 1647 🔗

Hence why I’m still convinced that if the government don’t act now to end lockdown and restrictions, they will be forced to by violence.

433948 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #85 of 1647 🔗

One only hopes so. Right now – well…I’ve got a list of Impossible Wishes in case that genie in a bottle comes along to grant me 3 wishes. But I would certainly add onto the list to transport me magically into a few sitting rooms in this country with a gun in hand and no witnesses (Matt Hancock, Professor Ferguson, et al).

434114 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 6, #86 of 1647 🔗

Unemployment already stands at 3 million. Any more and I suspect people will take to the streets. The failure of the harvest and imminent starvation was what set off the 1848 Revolution.

435110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, #87 of 1647 🔗

If not for digital presumably those three million people would be queuing up outside the dole office. Instead they sit alone at home in solitary misery and penury.

434006 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to SilentP, 16, #88 of 1647 🔗

Matthew Lynn put it best (in the excerpt): “In Britain, the common law tradition holds that everything is permitted unless it is specifically outlawed. Civil code countries, such as France, flip that around.” Ie, the ‘jab for job’, ‘vaccine passport’ balls is pure Code Napoleon, EU crapola. Oh the bitter irony, having escaped this crypto-police superstate of ‘Europe’ we should now surrender to its prime imbecility!

433498 J-Knight, replying to J-Knight, 60, #89 of 1647 🔗

We have to start referring to the “vaccine passports” as “Vaccine Loyalty Cards”. Purely a business invention for data mining and compliance.

433507 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to J-Knight, 33, #90 of 1647 🔗

Yes, and each “booster” gets you more rewards. Get a free upgrade to Business Class if you mix the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines! Brand new electric car if you dare to take the Moderna double jab and then an Oxford AstraZeneca booster!

433527 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 40, #91 of 1647 🔗

And 10% off your funeral costs.

433619 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #92 of 1647 🔗

Triple points for the Sinovac and Sinopharm as not yet available in the UK

433579 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to J-Knight, 8, #93 of 1647 🔗

Like that term ‘vaccine loyalty cards’.

433655 ▶▶ isobar, replying to J-Knight, 24, #94 of 1647 🔗

Not going down to well with DM Readers!
‘Why I want a passport to freedom: Yes, it’s hugely controversial – but vaccine certificates are the only way to get UK running again AND boost jabs, argues STEPHEN GLOVER’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9296915/STEPHEN-GLOVER-want-vaccine-passport.html

Best rated comment: NO 4280 upticks 385 downticks

434011 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to J-Knight, 6, #95 of 1647 🔗

Pricks R Us, better?

434612 ▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to TyRade, 2, #96 of 1647 🔗

Vaccine fanatic = Prickophile

See also; Matt Footvagina

433499 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 104, #97 of 1647 🔗

What a rollercoaster! I’ve only skim read but a very interesting bag ATL. Well sourced. Thanks, Will!

I’m happy to report that, while insomnia has me in its grip, I’m becoming immune to the psy op. They are beginning to make themselves look ridiculous. OF COURSE they cannot force anyone to take these experimental drugs. It’s all an illusion. They say anything they like, and wait for the outrage to pour out before backtracking. Look at the masks and testing for kids. BS! I knew it was BS. Now they’ve had to admit it’s BS. All voluntary.

We should all carry on with our lives. If someone suggests you cover your face with a piece of cloth, stick a needle with an experimental “emergency use only” drug into your arm, or not hug your friends and family, give them a filthy look, tell them they have taken leave of their senses, and suggest – kindly or otherwise depending on how they treated you – they get help for their pathological and hysterical fear of a seasonal respiratory virus that’s less deadly than the flu. Tell them they have a psychological condition brought on by the actions of a government so terrified that people will realise they gambled the family silver on dodgy tests and a lot of Perspex that they have to shovel good money after bad in order to keep up the charade. They are literally pissing our kids’ futures down the drain. Time to TELL the kids that and get them angry. Students always start the revolution. It’s coming. Better use of their time than sitting, locked up in their room, staring a lot screens, forbidden to join the drama soc and have lots of sex. In normal times this would be a rite of passage. Under authoritarian dictatorships, students have an obligation to take to the streets and chain themselves to railings.
*grabs popcorn*

433510 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 37, #98 of 1647 🔗

Brilliant post! You’re fortunate in the UK that they only now tried to force masking on school kids. Here they made it mandatory in September and both parents and kids were so desperate to get back in the classroom that there was very little pushback. Or maybe it’s just Canadians.

The older kids need to become a lot angrier; I’m far more upset than my kids and they’re the ones who will be paying for all of this. They’re suffering, but it doesn’t manifest in action. Many of them have hysterical parents as well, and if they live at home they are forced to indulge the parents’ fear. My 24-year-old daughter has a friend who is doing a 10-week occupational therapy practicum with developmentally disabled kids and her boyfriend’s parents won’t allow them to see each other for the entire 10 weeks. I’m incredulous that young adults would put up with that, and quite a few of my daughter’s friends likely won’t see her when she starts her final practicum in a school next week. Early on I thought it would be the young people who would steer us out of this, and I must admit I got it wrong and way overestimated them. If their cowering parents tell them to get the “vaccine” to keep them safe, these compliant kids will do it. I’m begging my kids NOT to go anywhere near the stuff for my sake as I don’t want to take care of vaccine injured adults the rest of my life.

433535 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 14, #99 of 1647 🔗

Are you Ontario? It’s not mandatory in BC. And there WILL be exemptions written in. You just need to find them. Randy Hillier is the Canadian MP standing up to all this. Follow his work. They cannot force anyone to put masks on kids.

434229 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #100 of 1647 🔗

I’m in Ontario and I know of Randy Hillier. Roman Baber is another MP who got booted from the PC caucus for questioning the narrative. BC has been later to the mask party and isn’t as draconian as Ontario. Yes, there are exemptions written into the masking law for everyone and yet these exemptions are rarely honoured. I know of some kids who are mask-free at school, but with online being an option they try to force those kids online rather than honour their exemption at school. There’s a class action lawsuit in the works against the Toronto District School Board and various school superintendents, and even individual school principals are named, but our court system seems barely functional so who knows when these cases will even be heard. It’s the same with businesses here not honouring mask exemptions. They’re getting away with it because 90+% of the masses have a “wear your damn mask” attitude and so they are caving to what the vast majority want. Until there’s a successful court case, both businesses and schools will continue to ignore the mask exemptions.

434015 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #101 of 1647 🔗

In Germany, they are bullying and excluding the kids who have medical exemptions, and prosecuting the doctors who issued them.
I think you are misreading the generations: millennials are fully behind all this, and elder Zs as well.
The only people I pity are the younger, pre teens, children.

434819 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to JayBee, 4, #102 of 1647 🔗

I have 3 lads in early 20s, straddling the Millennial/Z fence. They are all skeptics and lots of their more intelligent friends are too. It seems to be the less intelligent among that age group who are scared and happy to comply.

433548 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 39, #103 of 1647 🔗

I keep asking myself, where are the angry young people…? The students, the young workers and even the yob element should all be brothers in arms at this point. What will it take to fire them up?

433549 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 26, #104 of 1647 🔗

Hear, hear. We need to extricate ourselves – as much as possible – from the tentacles of the state and big corporations. At the risk of sounding a bit ‘Wolfy Smith’, the power lies with us, ultimately.

433608 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 38, #105 of 1647 🔗

I did wonder, what has happened to young people? Quick to protest to protect their priviledges and jump on bandwagons but are curiously silent on the erosion of civil liberties and the destruction of their lives and futures.

They SHOULD BE ANGRY at being made to put their lives on hold so Great Uncle Soames can stagger on for another few months despite being bed bound and unable to comprehend what is going on around him; they SHOULD BE ANGRY at being treated like lepers; they SHOULD BE ANGRY that they are being denied the opportunity to meet new people, broaden their horizons and do what young people do; they SHOULD BE ANGRY that their futures are being trashed that they have nothing to look forward to but the dole queue.

But no. Instead they retreat into their social media account and Netfilx or if they’re politically engaged sprout bankrupt statements such as “people before profit” and are cheerleading this authoritarian power grab.

I despair. Only the likes of Poppy in this site give me hope that not all is lost.

434025 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #106 of 1647 🔗

You don’t understand what’s going on and them.
You extrapolate the values of your generation onto them, but they have completely different values.
The 4th Turning explains it all:
Now moralistic Boomers and deindividualised infallible Millennials have teamed up and run the authoritarian show now, GenX is f*cked, as always.

434164 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #107 of 1647 🔗

Heard something on YouTube where a mum was saying to the achool her kids would not wear a mask and the child was crying because he would be picked on and bullied for not following the herd. They also want the test or their “friends??” won’t talk to them!! Wow thanks social media, what an advance on civilisation. My 70’s generation would not have stood for this. Nobody i knew would wear the proper school uniform let alone wear a fucking face mask!

433501 Lockdown Sceptic, 9, #108 of 1647 🔗

England Reports ZERO Cases Of The Flu In 2021. Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo7cwYlvAhM
Anthony Brian Logan

433504 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #109 of 1647 🔗

A British Public Information Film on the threat of Coronavirus, released in the 1970s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q7HkxNhnXA&list=WL&index=22

433513 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #110 of 1647 🔗

LOL, or should that be Loo. It’s like a b-movie horror flick “ He’s a carrier ” tell me this is parody?

Someone has hobbled together different unrelated public information films, nearly got me.

433506 Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #111 of 1647 🔗

Vaccine overdose error prompts urgent national review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Jv8xZk2MI

433508 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 49, #112 of 1647 🔗

health staff should be vaccinated unless they have a valid medical reason preventing them from doing so

Why? It’s a stated fact by Handjob, Shitty & BMA, the “ vaccine ” doesn’t prevent transmission, so what difference does it make?

Let’s see what the Unions do with this one.

433517 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #113 of 1647 🔗

The Unions? They’ll expel any member who resists the snake oil.

433520 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 1, #114 of 1647 🔗

Nah, they love to do the opposite of the government.

433581 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #115 of 1647 🔗

There’s a nice dilemma for them!

433597 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #116 of 1647 🔗

Let’s hope so, for once.

434175 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 3, #117 of 1647 🔗

But ironically its the teachers union driving all the bullshit testing and mask wearing in class. My god how is this allowed! Think of the children……. my arse!

433582 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #118 of 1647 🔗

In one government sector the unions fought for a month. The staff were told if they didn’t have the jab they couldn’t come in to work. In the end the union apologised and said they have tried their best. After receiving it the staff told not to take test. Now they have to have 3 a week instead of 1.

433598 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #119 of 1647 🔗

I was thinking that. They don’t even bother to try to be coherent any more, do they

433778 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Anti_socialist, 30, #120 of 1647 🔗

Even the UK own laws on medications clearly state coercion and mandating vaccines is unlawful, yet alone a trial drug. Therefore, unless the law has been changed, which it hasn’t, they cannot force them to accept the vaccine. I suggest said doctors group fund some fine lawyers.
I feel there is a bit of karma here – the health profession now being bitten by the monster they helped to create, by their silence and some by participation ( DNR notices, fraudulent covid death cert etc.) have been instrumental in the ‘success’ of the destruction of our society and liberty. Had they revealed the truth behind the falsehoods of the propaganda, the machinations behind the scenes, the unethical and immoral practices of management,colleagues and government policies, this whole thing would have collapsed.
Likewise, I am baffled by all these ‘journalists’, who continue to be the government’s useful propaganda instruments – do they not have children, cousins, nieces, nephews. Ok the media owners may be making a killing on government advertising, but the journalists are still on the same salary – yet they are participating, no actually driving a dreadful potentially dystopian future for all of us, yet alone the youngsters. By actively participating in the destruction of the society we once knew -how do they look their children in the eyes?

434204 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Hattie, 5, #121 of 1647 🔗

As Sting once said:

Mister Krushchev said, “We will bury you”
I don’t subscribe to this point of view
It’d be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Russians love their children too

So people like Unbalanced KNOWS the harms this experimental vaccine can do. Can we check if he and his family have the jab? If you were a journalist, why are you not salivating about this story. Corruption and government deceit on unprecedented levels, faked death statistics, misuse of public money and fake fear propaganda and here sits your Pulitzer Prize winning report and you do absolutely fuck all. What a bunch of hacks!

433509 Bartleby, replying to Bartleby, 38, #122 of 1647 🔗

I’m loathe to give yet more coverage to Ferguson as he has had more than enough, but I thought it worth pointing out something that happened last year that is relevant to the situation we are now in where use of models, not just from Imperial, is driving an excessively slow and cautious route out of lockdown.

In the recent exchanges with Ferguson, and indeed at many points since last March, people have rightly pointed out the inaccuracies of previous models going back over years. Or they use the example of Sweden and how the predictions of deaths if modelled using Imperial logic were a massive over prediction.

Ferguson’s answers, if they can be called that, sidestep such criticisms, and in the case of Sweden, he claims that this argument is invalid because Imperial didn’t actually publish an Imperial predictive model for Sweden.

Instead, we should be focused upon what they did actually publish.

Back in May last year, Imperial put the following predictive modelling analysis together for regions in Italy as it started to reduce lockdown and NPIs.

Report 20 – Using mobility to estimate the transmission intensity of COVID-19 in Italy: A subnational analysis with future scenarios | Faculty of Medicine | Imperial College London

The actual PDF of the report is here:

2020-05-04-COVID19-Report-20.pdf (imperial.ac.uk)

What they did was look at google mobility data and assess 3 scenarios, mobility remaining the same as it was during lockdown, mobility increasing by 20% and mobility increasing by 40%.

For the period they looked at, from May through to August, their modelling predicted that with a 20% increase of mobility from lockdown back to pre-lockdown levels, that certain regions would in May, June, July and August experience between 25 to over 200 deaths each day.

With a 40% increase in mobility levels back towards pre-lockdown levels, deaths in some regions would be anything from 50 all the way through to 800 per day.

Towards the end of July and into August, the Veneto region for example, with a 40% increase in mobility levels, would experience deaths between 475 and 800 per day.

They very helpfully then turned that into a summary of the deaths which could be ‘averted’ should lockdown be maintained versus the 20% or 40% increases to mobility.

There are all sorts of caveats contained within the report to give themselves wiggle room, but I’m really just trying to land the following two points.

1) They predicted a huge number of deaths in Italy as lockdown measures relaxed and presented them graphically. This obviously didn’t happen.

2) They chose to present this information in such a way as to claim up to 23,000 deaths could be averted in a 3 month period by retaining lockdowns and mobility restrictions. It isn’t just modelling and predictions in other words, how they choose to present that information and influence and persuade is emotional.

I’ve no doubt they will have followed similar principles and techniques of persuasion in recent modelling for the UK which will have impacted and influenced the latest decision-making around coming out of lockdown.

One might suspect that Ferguson’s appetite for engaging with more sceptical views is a rehearsal for the inevitable public inquiry and seeks to shape the narrative or at least muddy the waters. I will look forward to the day when their influence, their motives, their levels of accuracy and the impact they had on lives is investigated and judged.

I’ve no doubt we will see many other examples of jockeying for position amongst others as we move towards their judgement day.

433523 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Bartleby, 33, #123 of 1647 🔗

Ferguson’s defence is that he did not make any policy decisions or even recommendations. He merely offered scientific information. Policy was determined by ministers. Their defence is, of course, that they were following the science.

433556 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #124 of 1647 🔗

Passing the buck will be no defence.

434027 ▶▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to karenovirus, #125 of 1647 🔗

or pass the parcel but the music never stops

433592 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #126 of 1647 🔗

if I were the Nuremberg trial judge, I would accept Ferguson’s defence. he was free to spout whatever rubbish he liked in the name of ‘science’ – he was not responsible for making policy decisions, and the government were under no obligation to take any notice of him. they did so at their peril. Hang Johnson and Hancock. the appropriate punishment for Ferguson is his utter discredit as a scientist. make him clean toilets or flip burgers for a living, it’s all he’s good for.

433540 ▶▶ Will, replying to Bartleby, 5, #127 of 1647 🔗

I am, quietly, hopeful that the public enquiry will be skewed to preempt “earlier and harder” criticism in favour of “the advisors mislead poor Boris”, taking advantage of his terrible run in with the rona etc, etc.

434449 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bartleby, 1, #128 of 1647 🔗

My understanding about the models is that, for a given scenario, they produce a range of outcomes, eg one recent simulation relating to changes in cases had outcomes varying from ‘exponential’ increase to (somewhat lower) ‘exponential’ decrease, with 95% of all simulations falling within this range. The Mad Modellers then select the worst case to present to SAGE/UK government. Why not the most likely outcome? Because that wouldn’t be so alarmist? Because it wouldn’t help support the pre-determined political objective?

435084 ▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Ken Garoo, #129 of 1647 🔗

Ken, I agree, and thank you for making my main point much more succinctly than I did. The one area where I have some sympathy with Ferguson is that I saw an interview with him in March last year where he was clearly uncomfortable being put on the spot by a TV journalist demanding to know how many people would die.

The journalist was looking for a scary headline, and Ferguson really didn’t want to say the upper range of numbers in his model.

But my sympathy evaporates because ultimately he caved and gave the big scary number, he put himself in the position of being interviewed and answering the questions, and then when I look at subsequent pronouncements and modelling, such as that for Italy, him and the Imperial team have continued with scary headline figures.

This behaviour obviously meets a need in his ego or agenda somewhere, otherwise the caveats to the models would be significantly stronger and there would be less ‘worst case’ scenario fanfare and more ‘most likely’ or ‘most realistic’ figures.

433514 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 46, #130 of 1647 🔗

I’ve adopted a zero Covid policy. It’s my immune system.

433616 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 5, #131 of 1647 🔗

This is what they should be shouting from the rooftops.

433710 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PatrickF, 20, #132 of 1647 🔗

Yes optimising immune system is to most important.

However this cartoon is so true – most people think that there is a magic potion. Sadly NOT!

433823 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Victoria, 11, #133 of 1647 🔗

Most patients I encountered whilst working in the NHS preferred pills and potions rather than changing their lifestyle. The former offered a quick fix with minimal effort on their part which is what the large majority of people seem to want.

434086 ▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to fiery, 11, #134 of 1647 🔗

I’m a past NHS employee (non-clinical). It was like the walking dead everywhere – and that was just the staff: nurses, doctors and upper management a picture of obese death. When the CEO of the hospital at the time (Dame Julie Moore, on £250K a year) was the size of a house what kind of an advert is that for our National ‘Health’ Service?

434231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Dobba, 3, #135 of 1647 🔗

As a qualified PT I asked my GP if could stick some flyers in the reception to advertise my training in your own house sessions. She agreed. Went there a week later, all gone, wow this is great. Asked the receptionist who was not a slim lass if I could leave a bigger stack to find out the chunky bitch had thrown them all away. But I had agreed this with the GP. No its not nhs policy!! What to lose weight?. Your weight loss leaflets are all about low fat FFS this was debunked thirty years ago. If they all lost weight their nhs dependency would go away, they would lose all that diabetes money and weight watchers would go broke.

433839 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Victoria, 13, #136 of 1647 🔗

My daughter works for a company currently contracted to the NHS, counselling pre-diabetic individuals on possible lifestyle choice changes they can make to counter the diabetic problems they will otherwise face. Her job, whilst succesful and fulfilling, is coming to an end as NHS funding has dried up…!

433515 PatrickF, 7, #137 of 1647 🔗

Microchipping, here we come.

433516 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 19, #138 of 1647 🔗

From ATL: the report from the frontline Test Station worker was interesting if hardly surprising.
It would have been useful if they had told us about the general level of activity (uptake) during their 13 hour shifts to confirm many many reports here at LS that Testing Station staff always seem to be idle whenever we pass them by.

433518 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 16, #139 of 1647 🔗

Yes testing is the Tory party pension scheme, i’m getting the early wiff of 1990s Tory corruption, I think they’ve sunk themselves this time. Another 20yrs in the wilderness after 2024.

433524 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #140 of 1647 🔗

To be replaced by Lockdown-Forever Labour?God forbid.

434241 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 1, #141 of 1647 🔗

And what about the poor zero covid loving Scots. Feeling for you guys. That’s what a single party state gets you. No accountability. In England I no longer have a vote.

433536 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #142 of 1647 🔗

Sadly I don’t think that will be the case. Unbelievably, what they have done to the country is, on balance, popular. Pipsqueaks like Owen Jones will talk about earlier lockdowns but even the left know he is a sanctimonious c u next Tuesday who has the political clout of an anchovy. If Labour had been brave and challenged the government narrative they might enjoy the reward when the whole thing unravels but they will gain little credit.

433538 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Will, 23, #143 of 1647 🔗

It’s obvious KS is up to his neck in this nasty little scam

433714 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #144 of 1647 🔗

According to Wikipedia he is a Bolshevik and a member of the trilateral commission so that kind of answers the question..

434021 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #145 of 1647 🔗

And for that reason we have no opposition which is exactly what the anti-democratic globalist elite want – we give up on national politics and they give us global serfdom in exchange for our freedom / property / culture- what’s not to like?

433519 ▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #146 of 1647 🔗

I thought that too.
Presumably the uptake is very low, since the job is so boring.

433561 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 4, #147 of 1647 🔗

Sorry Annie, I should have been clearer; I meant uptake of the test by the public.

433580 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #148 of 1647 🔗

One implies the other! if nobody is going to the test centre it stands to reason that the operatives will be bored out of their skulls.

433522 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 17, #149 of 1647 🔗

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. This from the province of Alberta, which began taking bookings for the Covid “vaccine”:

Alberta Health Services opened appointment bookings for all residents born 1946 or earlier Wednesday. Within minutes of online applications opening, however, reports of jammed phone lines and website crashes quickly circulated on social media.
According to both Calgary and Edmonton police, frustrated Albertans are even trying to call 911 to book a vaccine appointment.

In a statement Wednesday morning, Edmonton police urged residents not to call the emergency line, which is for, well, emergencies.

433525 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 13, #150 of 1647 🔗

Whatever happened to the rough and ready, take it on the chin, pioneering, tough frontiersman spirit of Western Canada and the Rockies?

433557 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #151 of 1647 🔗

Alberta is basically Edmonton and Calgary. If you’ve ever been to either you’ll note a large proportion of older people. Any one with any youth, vigour and brains moves East or South. That’s where the opportunities lie. So don’t get over excited about Alberta’s reaction.

433621 ▶▶▶ Ken Gardner, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #152 of 1647 🔗

Same as happened to the wild colonial boy in Australia. Subjugated by 40 years of wokeness and the nanny state…

433735 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #153 of 1647 🔗

Not been the same since Monty Python sang “The Lumberjack song”

434518 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stevie, #154 of 1647 🔗

They wish they’d been a girlie, just like their dear mama (or “papa”, in a later recorded stage version of same).

433705 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 16, #155 of 1647 🔗

It could be propaganda.

How do we know any of this is true?

Trying to create demand by an illusion of scarcity.

‘reports’ on social media.

yada, yada, yada

433788 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to rockoman, 2, #156 of 1647 🔗

Spot on

434246 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 3, #157 of 1647 🔗

Can’t know for sure, but the media here are pounding the government every day about our “vaccine failure” as we are well behind other countries. Like everywhere, people are living in fear and have been led to believe the vaccine is our ticket back to normalcy. And given the run on toilet paper last March, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the same people who bought a year’s supply of toilet paper would call 911 if they thought someone took their place in the vaccine line. People are selfish and petty, so nothing surprises me anymore.

433526 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 31, #158 of 1647 🔗

Call me irresponsible if you want but I have a question. I am in South Africa (perfectly legally) and unwilling to return to the Gulag. I am forced to watch my Rands. Mask wearing here is compulsory although goodness knows why because everything else is normal – bars etc fully open. Even way out in the bush – and I’m in the Karoo – people wear masks and there are poor souls here too poor to afford shoes. They’ve also been terrified by government.

My question is how many times can you wear a face mask? I have had the same one for as long as I can remember. It is shoved in my shorts pockets, car door and on occcasion under my hat. I noticed the other day that it had lip stick on so perhaps somewhere along I have borrowed my wife’s

Are facemasks like underpants and you can just turn them around from day to day to stay hygienic? I suspect wearing my underpants over my face is more likely to stop covid than some tatty piece of chinese cloth.

I’m a Sloggi fan if that is relevant.

Thanks in anticipation for any advice and may I thank you all for the help to stay rational and sane. I’ve enjoyed the Ferguson coorespondence. Strikes me that the man is being driven nuts by his own arrogance – hung by his own petard or Sloggi as the saying goes.

433529 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Stephen Williams, 5, #159 of 1647 🔗

About 20 minutes per mask!

433531 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Stephen Williams, 57, #160 of 1647 🔗

I think it is now quite clear that the idea that these masks do anything practical is dead and buried, they are just a symbol of conformity to the new religion of Covidology. Interestingly I note that people working in the practical trades, builders, electricians, plumbers, farm workers, who have worked throughout this hoo-haa often just have a stretchy neck scarf which they pull over their mouth when they pop into a shop for lunch.

We have just had our bathroom done, no masks worn by anyone including us, at one time I think there were 6 of us from 5 different households all together talking drinking tea. There is a an underlying spirit that this is all nonsense, hopefully this spirit will grow with the increasing sunshine and warmth of summer.

433566 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephen Williams, 21, #161 of 1647 🔗

Wearing underpants over your head covers the requirements of English ‘law’ provided they cover your mouth and nose.
If positioned correctly the gusset might provide the ‘double protection’ being advised by some.

434254 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 1, #162 of 1647 🔗

What a wonderful word, gusset. Do you think women are wearing the spandex ones to try and hide their double chin?

433572 ▶▶ optocarol, replying to Stephen Williams, 4, #163 of 1647 🔗

Hard to reply through my tears of laughter!

433575 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Stephen Williams, 5, #164 of 1647 🔗

A close, tight fit is essential for face knickers. Sloggi should do very well.

433530 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 83, #165 of 1647 🔗

I read a Twitter exchange between two journalists, former friends, now on opposite sides of the covfefe divide. I won’t bother to name them because it doesn’t matter. The point is: the sceptic was still professing friendship and saying “despite all our differences I respect your work” and so on, and even promoting the zealot’s ghastly new news weekly. The zealot’s response was implacable, not budging an inch, telling the sceptic he was wrong about covfefe and should shut up for his own good, etc.

Stop arguing with zealots! Stop writing to them, ffs! Stop waving olive branches at them! They will concede nothing. That’s what zealotry is all about.

Pondering this, I found myself thinking about what has happened to the public sphere in the past year. The greatest and gravest lesson from all this is surely how horrifyingly easy it is for authorities to terrorize people into oppressing themselves. And how fragile and remarkable were the freedoms and barriers on state interference haphazardly constructed in some western countries through the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. Unfortunately, this has all been proved by the process of their destruction.

I’m absolutely 100% certain that Hancock, Johnson, Gove et al. would protest vehemently if they were accused to their faces, as they should be, of having turned Britain into a totalitarian state. If their protest was honest (as I still think it probably would be), they would be guilty of colossal, criminal, treasonable complacency and negligence, because there was plenty of literature for them to study regarding the perils of government, and they quite obviously didn’t read it, but thought they knew better. If their protest was dishonest (as most of you believe), then the route to Tower Green would be more direct. But the end is the same. They have annihilated the commonwealth (with a small c) and retribution is called for.

433532 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 29, #166 of 1647 🔗

They know not what they do.

I know a lot of people here refuse to believe that, and I can see why. But the power of self-delusion is infinite when it’s inspired by the devil.
As Screwtape points out, they will have plenty of time to contemplate the truth about themselves in the remorseless clarity of Hell.

433737 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Annie, 6, #167 of 1647 🔗

As Marlowe said ‘Why this is Hell, nor am I out of it.’ My feelings exactly.

433534 ▶▶ danny, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 26, #168 of 1647 🔗

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

433544 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 10, #169 of 1647 🔗

Great post! Is covfefe a reference to the Trump
Tweet? Do we now think it was secret warning?! I agree – no more arguing with zealots. Just call them out to others!

433559 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #170 of 1647 🔗

I honestly don’t think Trump was sending out secret messages about covid, no, I’m just being flippant. Also I’m really sick and tired of the words “covid” and “corona(virus)”.

“no more arguing with zealots. Just call them out to others!” – Exactly. There are plenty of floating voters between zealots and sceptics, and those are the ones we need to win over.

433780 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #171 of 1647 🔗

Apparently Covfefe is Coptic for “I will rise”

Meme magic

(More likely trying to type “courage”)

433963 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Crystal Decanter, #172 of 1647 🔗

Wikipedia (the Oracle of knowledge!!) says the tweet was about negative press coverage and it was a mistyped “coverage”

434609 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #173 of 1647 🔗

I’ve been enjoying calling it, “the coof”. Sounds like a cough because that’s frankly pretty much all it is.

433599 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 25, #174 of 1647 🔗

Excellent comment. And regardless of whether it is intentional or not, those of us who love liberty need to wake up to an uncomfortable fact.

We all thought we inherited a system of freedom that would last. I never in a million years believed I would ever have to fight for basic freedom. But that is where we are. We either wake up and recognise we are going to actually fight for it or it will gone forever.

There are many ways to do that. From refusing masks tests and vaccines, to more activist things.

433623 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 24, #175 of 1647 🔗

Good points raised here. And I think this why I can’t accept “let bygones be bygones” when this all over.

Growing up in the Philippines, the UK was held as a gold standard when it came to things like education and liberty. So much so that when Marcos was overthrown in 1986 and a new constitution was drawn up, the writers looked to both the US and the UK to write safeguards in order to ensure that a dictatorship would never happen again.

Boy were my illusions shattered.

If I was asked why I can’t accept “let bygones be bygones” I would reply that I’ve stared at evil in the face and how people will happily sell their grandmother down the river all in the name of “safety”

433870 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 14, #176 of 1647 🔗

I understand that consensus forms are about to be sent out, so it appears that the government wants something from me.

Interesting.

I will not complete the census form. I am never completing the census form. Normal relations between government and the governed have been smashed by the government, which I now regard as an enemy that must be fought whenever opportunity presents. They broke society, and they’ll get no co-operation from me until it is fixed.

I don’t suppose widespread non-co-operation on the census by sceptics would penetrate the totalitarian skulls of these villains, but a certain amount of satisfaction would be gained if serious pushback occurred.

Is “census refusal” an idea that might take hold, and would TY promote it?

433928 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to charleyfarley, 5, #177 of 1647 🔗

The Women’s Freedom League called on women to boycott the 1911 census in order to advance the cause of women’s suffrage.

It’s an idea that has legs especially now.

434287 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #178 of 1647 🔗

Yep great post. Try and have an argument with SJW (Social justice warriors) on Instagram. They will not reason your argument they just want you to either agree with their view or drop dead. You cannot debate with these muppets because the majority are illiterate to anything but their narrow view of the world. Frightening the power they wield. Just look at the absolute stupidity every day on the woke gobbledegook to see how easily the mob can cancel you. As the Wicked Witch said “what a world, what a world!”

433533 Annie, replying to Annie, 77, #179 of 1647 🔗

In a sane country, if a large number if medical practitioners had such doubts about a treatment that they refused it themselves, it would be grounds for disquiet about the treatment.
In Lockdown Loony Bin Britain, it’s grounds for persecuting the practitioners.

433539 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 24, #180 of 1647 🔗

I agree. It is now time for them to put their money where their mouths are and resist this.

433546 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Annie, 38, #181 of 1647 🔗

Great point.

It was telling that in the NHS Leicester study 43% of doctor’s declined the vaccine but only 27% of admin staff declined.

I was talking to my 90 year old neighbour who has had the Pfizer vaccine, and while despite only watching mainstream media, he is quite receptive to most of the analyses I have put forward to him about what is going on, he seemed to want everyone to get experimentally vaccinated so he could get back to normal. When I mentioned that 43% of doctors in this study had turned down the vaccine and asked him why the uptake was lowest in those who should know most about this, that really had a big impact on him. So I think this is one to push.

Can’t believe the General Medical Council are considering making experimental vaccination compulsory for doctors. But then nothing seems believable any more. And for Whitty to say it’s doctor’s professional duty that’s outrageous beyond belief. We might as well make group think compulsory for doctors, and when we do we might as well kiss good medicine goodbye.

I do hope those doctors who have decided to take the experimental vaccine support their colleagues who have chosen not to. I fear they won’t.

433555 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 19, #182 of 1647 🔗

Hopefully somone will set up a petition for giving doctors free choice (without coercion) on experimental vaccination.

433609 ▶▶▶▶ JME, replying to Freecumbria, 20, #183 of 1647 🔗

Well said! I am in the fortunate position of being able to take early retirement if this happens. I have the greatest sympathy for those not in this situation- doesn’t look like the BMA is going to back them up. Would mass resignation bring down the NHS?

433951 ▶▶▶▶▶ John Crichton, replying to JME, 6, #184 of 1647 🔗

I thought this sometime ago. Mass resignations by the medical profession would bring the NHS to its knees instantly and simultaneously destroy the government’s “Save the NHS” weary and worn out mantra. I am also surprised (perhaps because I don’t know that much about clinical structures) that senior consultants have not resigned from NHS, gone private only and taken their teams with them.

433653 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Freecumbria, 11, #185 of 1647 🔗

The doctors could down tools, go on strike for half a day, the gov would see the error of their ways and backtrack

434654 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #186 of 1647 🔗

This will be just another step on the way to the government attempting to force Covid and any other vaccine on each and every one of us. It should be fought tooth and nail.

434704 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #187 of 1647 🔗

The GMC is exceeding its authority and is attempting to overturn many of the tenets of English and other UK law, notwithstanding UK international treaties and obligations. Why the GMC is attempting to do this, is the real question and it would seem they have been got at, by Johnson’s unprincipled government. Doctors need to fight this nonsense tooth and nail and withdrawal of their labour should not be ruled out, as this matter is of such importance.

Forcing doctors to be vaccinated is one more step on the road to compulsory vaccination for all and will take us back into the dark days of the 19th and early 20th centuries

434705 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #188 of 1647 🔗

The GMC is exceeding its authority and in doing so it is attempting to overturn many of the tenets of English law, other UK law, and international treaty obligations.

Why the GMC is attempting to do this, is the real question and it would seem it has been got at, by Johnson’s unprincipled government. Doctors need to fight this nonsense tooth and nail and withdrawal of their labour should not be ruled out, as this matter is of such importance.

Forcing doctors to be vaccinated is also one more step on the road to compulsory vaccination for all and would take us back to the dark days of the 19th and early 20th centuries.

434644 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #189 of 1647 🔗

The Covid zealots masquerading as doctors will view their more sensible colleagues being struck off, as a likely career opportunity.

433602 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 17, #190 of 1647 🔗

How to reduce our (already too small) number of doctors. Those who are genuine doctors/do their research/believe in looking after health (theirs and their patients) will be checking out that generous pension scheme of theirs and wondering about early retirement. Of course – that might be followed by wondering whether they can get re-employed in the private sector. Either way – the result is the same for the NHS – ie fewer doctors working for it and, dependant on whether these doctors could/would swop to the private sector, fewer doctors available all round.

433783 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Annie, 7, #191 of 1647 🔗

Brilliant point! And they refused even with the heavy coercion to take it.

433537 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #192 of 1647 🔗

Had to post as it made me chortle
TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO LISTEN TO THIS NURSE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/h432SIbJFewK/

433600 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #193 of 1647 🔗

Fierce lady saying great things, and funny.

433541 Fingerache Philip, 16, #194 of 1647 🔗

I paper : “Stay at home order after rise in rule breaking”.
Really, this government and their experts and advisors should “GET OUT MORE”.

433542 Alpine, replying to Alpine, 69, #195 of 1647 🔗

It makes me feel sick to read about the proposals for mandatory vaccinations for healthcare staff.
I’m both surprised and not surprised the BMA is supporting Chris Whitty’s proposals/threats. Many doctors love being told what to do, but this is also a political move.
So far I have ignored every invitation to get the ‘vaccine’. The emails and texts from my Trust are coming in almost daily.
No-one knows the long-term consequences.
But what absolutely appalls me, and over which I would be ready to give up my job (which, by the way, I (mostly) love) is any enforcement.
How dare they?
It’s a total attack on healthcare staff. They need to decide: do they want clinicians who can think for themselves, or a bunch of compliers with no agency?
You cannot do the job of a medic (or a nurse, social worker, psychotherapist) if you do not make use of your own free mind. That is the basis of clinical responsibility, and of building trust.
If that goes, any remnant of what is potentially good in medicine disappears.
A workforce full of sheep is absolutely dangerous.

433565 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Alpine, 9, #196 of 1647 🔗

It’s also a good reason for any future illness or misjudgment to say it’s the effects of the experimental vaccine I was forced to take.

People were already taking more time off of “shielding” just for “Covid”

433573 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Alpine, 34, #197 of 1647 🔗

Doctors in Nazi Germany administered lethal injections to mental patients, while nurses held the patients down.
Doctors in Ravensbrück concentration camp gave gas-gangrene wounds to women so that they could test various treatments.
Doctors in Auschwitz conducted freezing experiments on Russian prisoners.
I won’t go on.

433607 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 24, #198 of 1647 🔗

Exactly.

I know I keep droning on about this analogy but it’s the best I have. Re. the customer who, the other day, seemed to be suggesting that, to reassure my customers that they were ‘safe’, I should have the injection. I pointed out to her that trying to force a medical procedure on someone who did not want it was immoral and I asked her if she had seen One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest: she actually laughed.

I don’t think it will be too much longer before the nasty comments on social media start: first it was “avoid, these people do not wear masks”. Next, it will be “avoid, these people will not take the jab”.

434526 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #199 of 1647 🔗

Roughly one German or Austrian doctor in 100 was involved in such experiments.

435113 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, #200 of 1647 🔗

Brilliant babe!

433578 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Alpine, 34, #201 of 1647 🔗

Only last weekend a GP friend of mine confidently informed me that the BMA would be totally against compulsory vaccination.

Could it be that a lot of doctors are actually quite naive?

I hope the others tell the BMA to fuck off.

433605 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 3, #202 of 1647 🔗

Is the BMA their Trades Union or governing body ?

433610 ▶▶▶▶ JME, replying to karenovirus, 8, #203 of 1647 🔗

Supposed to be our Trades Union. GMC is governing body.

433768 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 2, #204 of 1647 🔗

See JME below (thanks). My friend specifically said the BMA.

I guess a proper TU might be concerned for the implications for its members, legally and ethically, if they were required to give compulsory vaccinations. At least that might be the concern of a responsible TU.

433585 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Alpine, 13, #205 of 1647 🔗

Or is it just another threat from the government that they know can’t be carried through, just to “encourage” take up of vaccine by medics?

433611 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to End of Tether, 8, #206 of 1647 🔗

I hope so!

433779 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to End of Tether, 23, #207 of 1647 🔗

Yep, more PsyOps.

I have no legal background, but everything I’ve seen says that it is unequivocally illegal to mandate or coerce an experimental medical procedure – and these vaccines have not yet completed their full trials, and won’t have for a further two years, by which time Heaven only knows what side effects will have emerged.

Anyone who doesn’t want the jab but who feels pressurised to take it should hold their nerve.

435111 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, 1, #208 of 1647 🔗

No nerve M8,just a short ice axe through the ears for anyone coming near me!

433603 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alpine, 12, #209 of 1647 🔗

That led directly to the excess mortality scandal at Stafford hospital some years ago and is partly why Shipman got away with it for so long.

433630 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alpine, 14, #210 of 1647 🔗

Whatever happened to “first do no harm”??

Hippocrates must be rolling in his grave.

433695 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #211 of 1647 🔗

The ‘hypocritical oath’

433745 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #212 of 1647 🔗

The Hipporatic Oath isn’t sworn anymore. It’s a wishy washy Universal Declaration created by none other than the UN.

433775 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 3, #213 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps not surprised that the medical profession keeled over with this.

433543 disgruntled246, replying to disgruntled246, 20, #214 of 1647 🔗

Re masks, I saw a cracker yesterday. Rainbow and NHS emblazoned on it. Virtue signalling par excellence.

433550 ▶▶ stewart, replying to disgruntled246, 12, #215 of 1647 🔗

No BLM? What a racist!

433545 Julian, replying to Julian, 40, #216 of 1647 🔗

Email I got from the GMC regarding vaccine coercion

“Dear Mr Julian
Thank you for your email about mandatory vaccinations for coronavirus.
I thought it might help to start by clarifying that we are able to advise on our expectations of doctors in relation to our guidance, but not on government policy. Whilst we can’t tell doctors what to do in a particular situation, we can advise on the principles in our guidance which might be relevant in helping them decide how to proceed.
Our guidance
In our core guidance, Good medical practice we are clear that patients must be able to trust doctors with their lives and their health and respect patient’s rights to reach decisions with doctors about their care and their treatment (see Good medical practice , duties of a doctor ).
In our Consent guidance, in our paragraphs under the subheading, ‘Ensuring that decisions are voluntary’, we say that patients must not be put under pressure by employers, relatives or others to accept a particular investigation or treatment ( paragraph 41 ).
We also say that doctors must respect a patient’s decision to refuse an investigation or treatment even if they think it is wrong or irrational.  If the doctor is concerned about the consequences of the patient’s decision, they should explain and clearly outline this to the patient. However, we are also clear that the doctor should not put any pressure on the patient to accept the advice ( paragraph 43 ).
I hope this is helpful in setting out our expectations of doctors in this area.
Kind regards
Policy Officer
General Medical Council”

433552 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Julian, 4, #217 of 1647 🔗

Thanks for the post

433558 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Julian, 15, #218 of 1647 🔗

Daily reminder that these are the same people who sack Doctors who will not treat medically a male in a dress as a female

433563 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Julian, 10, #219 of 1647 🔗

Please send this in to Will (editor) he should include it under the piece as a STOP PRESS!

433568 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #220 of 1647 🔗

Totally agree. Very important reply.

433583 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Freecumbria, 8, #221 of 1647 🔗

Good suggestion

Done

433596 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Julian, 9, #222 of 1647 🔗

Brilliant. Well done for contacting the GMC and getting a reply

433567 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Julian, 23, #223 of 1647 🔗

Very interesting. Thanks for posting

Ensuring that decisions are voluntary’, we say that patients must not be put under pressure by employers, relatives or others to accept a particular investigation or treatment

How on earth does that fit in with doctors themselves being pressured by their employers to accept the experimental vaccine.

433750 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Freecumbria, 14, #224 of 1647 🔗

They CANNOT be pressured. That is media BS. Part of the Psy Op. they’d be sued to high heaven!

433547 stewart, replying to stewart, 20, #225 of 1647 🔗

Thinking about vaccine passports for international travel, I’ve come to the conclusion that they are the litmus test for the existence of a well-organised supra-national governing organ.

Getting even a significant handful of countries to agree to a common system is massive challenge.

They would all have to agree to or be able to coordinate on several issues:

– which company(s) runs the system?
– who administers the data? Will Germany, for example agree to a US tech company managing the immunity data of its citizens? Not likely.
– if each country runs its own system, will countries trust each other that the information is robust and not corrupted in any way?

Seeing the reality of how countries are jostling with each other constantly, the only way these sort of obstacles are resolved is if there is a truly powerful group of people who can get them all into line.

Let’s see.

433641 ▶▶ isobar, replying to stewart, 17, #226 of 1647 🔗

Some sense from the WHO?
‘WHO says vaccine passports should NOT be used for foreign travel as there are ‘critical unknowns’ around how jabs protect people’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9297669/WHO-says-vaccine-passports-NOT-used-foreign-travel.html

433901 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to stewart, 2, #227 of 1647 🔗

Which jabs will allow access to which countries?

Yeah, good luck with that.

433936 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to awildgoose, #228 of 1647 🔗

Very true. Will the US, for example, accept those who have taken the Chinese or Russian jabs, after all both countries are under sanction?

434040 ▶▶ jos, replying to stewart, 1, #229 of 1647 🔗

They want to do away with national borders so it won’t be a problem- it’s just for control (and to have a very clear idea of who the sceptics are).

434805 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stewart, 1, #230 of 1647 🔗

When the Covid hysteria first hit they were stampeding over one another to get masks. They do not cooperate that well. I agree – we need to wait and see.

433551 kh1485, 37, #231 of 1647 🔗

It was good to hear Mike Graham on talkRADIO yesterday start to get angry. Now that the shitshow is affecting him more personally (i.e. his children having to wear masks in school), perhaps we might see a bit more resistance.

433560 ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 27, #232 of 1647 🔗

Has anyone else had the experience of finally clicking as to just why on earth people would let themselves get murdered as sacrifices to the gods in previous societies (eg the Mayans) on the one hand? Alternatively, why old/ill people in some societies would deliberately wander off into the wild to die and not be a “burden” on others in that society? Now we know – as I can see that peer pressure must have been brought to bear on them to be a “sacrifice” or do that wandering off into the wilderness. I never understood that until now – but now we are already seeing people getting the vax against their better judgement (even some that had already stated they wouldn’t be doing so). Because they are being blackmailed by employers and getting peer pressure (even sometimes from their own family). I am just so glad that I don’t have either an employer or any family – as the feeling of peer pressure is high even without those things. We are all going to have to be very strong indeed to withstand that peer pressure and stick with our own decisions for ourselves. I know one way I’m looking at it is that healthy people will be at a premium in a year or two and I’ll be in demand then – when it will be getting steadily more difficult to find people that don’t have health problems of their own and don’t have vax injury either. The phrase “name your price” comes to mind for those of us that will be healthy. Does anyone want to hire my labour for several times what it’s really worth then? The only snag is – I don’t actually need their money – so am likely to decline anyway LOL.

433622 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to ElizaP, 20, #233 of 1647 🔗

A friend of mine didn’t want it, but her daughter emotionally blackmailed her into booking an appointment. One of my friends said they wouldn’t visit until I was vaccinated ‘to keep me safe.’

I am determined to wait until there is enough evidence to give informed consent. Pressure just hardens my resolve not to be pushed but only to take it if and when I feel comfortable doing so.

So far I just had one text from the doctor saying if I want the jab to book an appointment, which is fair enough.

Medical coercion is sadly not new as in the past I’ve had letters about screening tests telling me to ‘book an appointment’ with nothing about if I wished to or not. That thankfully has now changed although a charity actually protested that how dare they change the wording and now enclose a booklet listing risks and benefits of screening.

433682 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 7, #234 of 1647 🔗

The letters about various screening tests are coercive particularly the ‘an appointment has been made for you’ invites. You are also automatically opted in for health screening and information about how to opt out is difficult to find and a lengthy process.

433806 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to fiery, 8, #235 of 1647 🔗

Mine just go in the bin. I feel no guilt as I didn’t ask for any screening and as for the wasted appointment I feel I am saving someone’s life by way of saving them from having invasive medical interventions following false positive tests

433969 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 6, #236 of 1647 🔗

Looks like the friend putting the pressure on is one that needs binning. Some friendships do reach an expiry date. I’ve lost some friendships (as have many of us) because of this and it has just shown me that those people weren’t that compatible with me and I’ve found some new friends (who are actually noticeably more compatible with me in other ways too).

433643 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to ElizaP, 23, #237 of 1647 🔗

Funnily enough, I have found myself thinking a lot about the Aztecs over the past few months. How the Europeans discovered this civilization in the middle of the jungle, with a vast and astonishingly well-ordered city, Tenochtitlan… but were then horrified to discover the human sacrifice rituals that, as far as the Aztecs were concerned, were essential for the city’s order to be maintained, to placate the wild gods of nature in a perpetual blood negotiation between those gods and the king. And of course most – though not all – European commentators spent the next few hundred years smugly celebrating European “rationality” and “humaneness”, dismissing other cultures as childishly superstitious and demonizing them with stereotypes of savagery, cruelty and bloodthirst. All the while, European scientists were steadily working to “mathematize” the world. Everything could be calculated if you had the right quality of data.

What happens if you sacrifice a hundred foreign slaves, and fevers and floods continue to get worse, showing that the gods have not been appeased? Sacrifice a thousand! Superstitions veer to extremes when systems are disrupted.

“Mathematization” itself became the superstition in the “developed” world a long time ago. And while the irrational belief that everything could be controlled by calculation was never particularly convincing, it has really only been properly exposed as bunkum by covfefe. The response is just the same as the Aztecs’ resort to human sacrifice. The scientists prescribe face masks as totemic, apotropaic magic, reacting with toxic scorn to anyone who challenges the rationality of this. They prescribe dances of distancing and gestures of obeisance. There are mantras to be repeated (Hands, Face, Space) and mass rituals to be observed (clapping our heroes). Substances are injected to banish the evil spirits. The population is divided into the elect and the untouchable.

Like all religions, scientism is degenerating into destructive chaos as its flawed principles are tested to destruction by the awkward realities of nature and human nature. And lo and behold – its degeneration even extends to human sacrifice! The cancer dead, the vascular dead, the suicide dead, the abused dead… all deaths in the service of scientism, to hold the evil spirit at bay and keep the jungle out.

Tlacontzin isn’t turning in his grave. He’s roaring with laughter in it.

433753 ▶▶ jos, replying to ElizaP, 1, #238 of 1647 🔗

You don’t need their money yet ..

433979 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jos, 4, #239 of 1647 🔗

I won’t ever need their money – thankfully. Boy am I glad I’m retired and there’s no excuse whatsoever to put pressure on me – as no human contact is involved in getting my pensions, as they just get credited straight into the bank. The one worry I have is whether they might stop the cost of living rises and reduce the value of it – but there’s nowt I can do on that one – other than cross my fingers and hope and be glad there’s millions more and therefore they’d find it difficult to get away with it.

433799 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ElizaP, 3, #240 of 1647 🔗

Jordan Peterson explains all about the psychological background of offering sacrifices.
It’s in one of his Bible lectures, Abraham I think.
It starts with perfectly sensible observation that people who sacrifice immediate gratification (by not eating the seed corn) for enhanced future reward tend to have better life outcomes.

434504 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to karenovirus, 1, #241 of 1647 🔗

The trouble is that sort of thing can get out of hand when nature doesn’t go along. The Easter Islanders were putting up their stone head statues using log rollers to move them from the quarry to display site. Eventually, that led to a conflict between ‘we need more heads to do xxxx’ and ‘oh shit, we chopped down the last tree’.

434358 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to ElizaP, 4, #242 of 1647 🔗

Ha yes I had similar thoughts myself at yesterday’s team meeting wondering if I would be holding the fort as the others took sick time off with vaccine injuries. They all think the jab is a Good Thing. I did notice however another colleague was keeping his head down during that particular discussion. Maybe a secret “vaccine” sceptic too?

I feel a smidgeon happier today with my mother rowing back a bit on the antivaxxer rhetoric and a block of letters in the DT repudiating vaccine passports and school muzzles. Also the Matthew Lynn column is good.

433562 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #243 of 1647 🔗

We all URGENTLY need to take a digital detox. Preferably same week. If we all – en masse – got off all screens and stopped using all tech for a week. THAT would send a message. These screen are the method of control.

433576 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 17, #244 of 1647 🔗

I agree. In ordinary times, I don’t touch (anti) social-media with a barge-pole but we don’t live in ‘ordinary times’ so this site has been a lifeline for me. As I posted earlier, we really need to start relying on our own communities and removing ourselves – as much as possible – from state and big corp control. I’ve started doing it already (ditching tv licence, not buying ‘news’papers, getting rid of wifi etc. – small steps, but it’s a start).

Edit: A good example of this here recently were residents who got so sick of waiting for the authorities to clear debris that had resulted from flooding blocking a main road , that they rolled up their sleeves and cleared it themselves. Another enterprising soul got so pissed off with the potholes here that they spray-painted phalluses next to them. Now, I don’t condone graffiti, but I’ve never known potholes be so quickly repaired!

433665 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to kh1485, 4, #245 of 1647 🔗

Relying on our own communities … absolutely the way forward!

433759 ▶▶ jos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #246 of 1647 🔗

True but this site keeps me sane and stops the awful loneliness of the long-distance denier.

434511 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #247 of 1647 🔗

I believe some people worship a device called a ‘televisual apparatus’ spending much of their day in devotions before it. I have occasionally consulted this oracle and have found it to be a purveyor of the pleasure of instant gratification, of violence and of fear. It is an instrument of the devil.

433564 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 21, #248 of 1647 🔗

The government is hiding from liability by invoking the principle of informed consent and then twisting everyone’s arm. The GMC advocates for informed consent as a principle and informed consent has been affirmed as a legal requirement in the ruling of Montgomery versus Lanarkshire 2015.

433570 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 23, #249 of 1647 🔗

Just like they have suddenly pushed onto parents and teachers the act of abusing a child to force them to wear masks. Sickest thing of this whole shitshow. Politicians have long used spin but to injure and kill people with it is beyond reprehensible.

434315 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #250 of 1647 🔗

And sticking that fucking q-tip down their throat twice a week. What is the matter with people. Is your child ill? No? well why are you doing this. Where is your fucking common sense gone? This is mental and physical abuse on a group that has had ZERO impact on the spread of the virus and no healthy children have died.

433586 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 26, #251 of 1647 🔗

Agree. They’re passing the buck to bodies like the GMC, employers, schools, parents knowing full well that when a person develops health effects from the vaccine or being forced to wear a mask or discrimination it will be them who will be sued and have to dole out compensation or even go to jail for say child abuse. While the government can carry on its merry way.

Despicable. Unfortunately the likes of the GMC are too stupid to realise that they’ve being used.

434516 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #252 of 1647 🔗

All it takes in any organisation is for a few key people to be co-opted

434628 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Bart Simpson, #253 of 1647 🔗

No, they are not that stupid – they masquerade as an independent agency but they are far too cynical to believe it.

433571 jb12, replying to jb12, 47, #254 of 1647 🔗

And so the tip-toe towards mandatory vaccination begins. I hope everyone now sees that this was the aim all along: a trojan horse for digital IDs.

433577 ▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 21, #255 of 1647 🔗

I think the aim is to grab whatever power can be grabbed, for as long as possible

I doubt there’s much of a plan, just the desire to keep the narrative going

433588 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 19, #256 of 1647 🔗

Digital IDs tied to vaccination records were planned years before this ‘pandemic’ – since 2018 at the earliest according to an EU document (but inevitably much earlier). The vaccine has been the government’s chosen ‘way out’ since the beginning. It isn’t a huge leap to connect the two.

433628 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 4, #257 of 1647 🔗

I’m sure that’s the case but I think it’s wrong to imagine there is any overarching plan, just the will to power by whatever means comes to hand

The PM is not an ideologue

433640 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, 2, #258 of 1647 🔗

Yes, whatever means that come to hand, particularly those that have been the pre-selected means for the long-planned ends.

434843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 1, #259 of 1647 🔗

For me, it would be far too easy to dismiss the idea of there not being an overarching plan.

I’m glad you know the PM well enough to judge whether or not he is an ideologue. However I do know that Boris’s father seems to have been a man who has been worried by global overpopulation for the last several decades.

I don’t know whether Boris shares his father’s eugenicist view of the world, but would it be that surprising, if he did? Personally, I don’t find the possibility of a eugenicist prime minister as anything other than thoroughly disconcerting.

434879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Rowan, #260 of 1647 🔗

Especially one that has so many children.

433614 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Julian, 2, #261 of 1647 🔗

aka that old proverb of “Make hay while the sun shines”?

434525 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to ElizaP, #262 of 1647 🔗

‘Never let a good crisis go to waste’ is more appropriate.

433584 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to jb12, 17, #263 of 1647 🔗

Yet, all of us who have been saying this for months have been branded ‘conspiracy theorists’ …

433589 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to kh1485, 14, #264 of 1647 🔗

Water off of a duck’s back. These slurs are an indication of a possessed mind. The media are sorcerers and I refuse to be swayed by their words of power.

433593 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jb12, 6, #265 of 1647 🔗

Oh, me neither. If that’s the best they’ve got, just shows the lack of rigour in their own argument.

433618 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to kh1485, 5, #266 of 1647 🔗

Glad to hear it. Fear of exile is a huge motivator for some to go along with the most ridiculous of actions.

434545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 4, #267 of 1647 🔗

The best example I have experienced involved a ‘friend’ who claimed to know and have worked with CMO Whitty. Towards the end of last year, she asked me what I thought all the conflicting information was about. I mentioned the disease was essentially harmless (to most people) and the government was using fear to pimp vaccines. Out came the ‘conspiracy theory’ bs followed up by ‘I am not interested in your facts’ and I was told to ‘keep away as I [she] didn’t want to catch it’. The hilarious bit was that my unmentioned ‘fact’ related to Whitty’s public announcement at a press conference in mid 2020 that SARS-CoV-19 was indeed harmless to the great majority. What a maroon!

These people cannot be helped. They have to help themselves.

433711 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to jb12, 10, #268 of 1647 🔗

I’m hoping there will be fakes can download.
Apparently they are extending the T&T app to manage these “passports” (the £12 billion of tax payers cash!). As we know the T&T project didn’t go too well last year and I am anticipating/hoping that the same shitshow will be for these vaxx ids…

433751 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #269 of 1647 🔗

Indeed. As the T&T and QR code debacle has shown, technology has its limits and even the top of the range phones can’t even deal with T&T and QR codes so I suspect it will be the same with these “passports”

433910 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #270 of 1647 🔗

Think of the enormous amount of infrastructure that would need to be rolled out in a very short period of time.

To really implement their vision they’d need to set up something even more pervasive than the global credit card system.

434320 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to awildgoose, #271 of 1647 🔗

And thanks to the outstanding success of track and trace we know how good this will turn out.

433587 Will, replying to Will, 24, #272 of 1647 🔗

Heartening to see a leader and an article by Sarah Knapton laying into the modelling, in the DT. The latter is a bit too vaccine focused but does include Woolhouse suggesting the wealth of data has rendered the modellers obsolete… Ferguson’s responses, over the last week, look more like those of a cocky kid picking a fight with the big boys stood behind him and turning around to realise the big boys have gone and he is on his own.

434324 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Will, 1, #273 of 1647 🔗

Could not happen to a nicer bloke. Right lads get his trousers off!!

433590 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #274 of 1647 🔗

Yesterday I went, by appointment, to the main regional hospital for an X-ray.
I was on the premises for approximately one hour but, to my surprise, at no point was it suggested that I should have taken a Covid test.

The whole place was remarkably relaxed, the only signs of Covid were an unmanned Sanitise station, ubiquitous masks and alternate seats taped off in the waiting area.

I expect the staff are quite pleased about not having the place cluttered up with anxious demandy partners.

433642 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 4, #275 of 1647 🔗

It is very chilled in Derby too. Nottingham QMC was a bit zoo like around the beginning of January but it is an absolute shithole, it wouldn’t pass the abattoir inspectors.

433667 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 12, #276 of 1647 🔗

The hospital I’ve walked past in Central London when I go about my excercise has been dead for months now. And that’s one of the leading hospitals in the country. So much for the NHS being “overwhelmed”

433591 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 18, #277 of 1647 🔗

Use this as an opportunity to get the government medical louts in court. Expose their lies and get the government to present their evidence for the rationale behind vaccines and lockdowns. Challenge them and take take them on. Have them judged by their peers.

433606 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 9, #278 of 1647 🔗

GREAT IDEA! If it all goes to court the evidence will be out in the open…

434556 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #279 of 1647 🔗

I thought the government had granted blanket legal immunity to themselves and anyone involved in the scam. – using the ‘severe and imminent threat’ loophole in the 1984 Health Act.

433594 Bugle, 17, #280 of 1647 🔗

Weighty content above the line, informed and intelligent comments below. Thanks everybody, off to work now – maskless and testless.

433601 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 46, #281 of 1647 🔗

No jab, no job,
It’s just a stab,
-In the back,
Or it’s the sack.

The rules are here,
We’re very clear,
Do as we say,
Or it’s no pay,

Sell your soul,
Or it’s the dole,
Have our prick,
Or out you’re kicked,

You have no choice,
You have no voice,
Take the vac,
Or it’s the sack.

Yesterday I heard bad news from a friend. He’s got the sack from his job as manager of a GP surgery. His crime? Refusing to wear a mask!The have counted it as gross misconduct, He’s fighting it with a lawyer who thinks he has a case, but the fact they’ve even considered firing him over this tells a story. It’s the story of our future. It starts with masks, then the vax. It’s why people needed to and continue to need to say say no to the mask. This was never about a virus, it was never about masks. It was always about the vaccine and the passport to control that is coming with it.

My friend is planning to come and ‘work’ for us here on our small holding for a weekend soon, to find out if this is the lifestyle he’d like. He is hoping to sell up and buy land. Is this the future for all of us dissidents? Is there a way to keep fighting this? Will we win? Is winning, staying in the system or escaping it?

433613 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Liberty, 13, #282 of 1647 🔗

Hi Liberty.
I am thinking of small-holding/off grid living but I am very much a dreamer not a doer. The cost of land in England is prohibitive too.
My dream is to have a place where there are a number of places to stay for people to take a modern life ‘detox’.
It would be a sort of Christian retreat centre but with physical labour and working the land as a major part.
The more realistic challenge is to incorporate that kind of thing into my life in a suburban housing estate.

433625 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Ed Phillips, 13, #283 of 1647 🔗

That’s pretty much exactly what we have here. A house for us, a few acres, a self contained studio for another family and a barn for community activities. Thankfully my husband is the doer. I’m full of ideas, but I need his focus to make it happen.

433769 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #284 of 1647 🔗

Ed, I shall send a private message to you shortly. Please look out for it and I hope to be in touch.

433861 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ed Phillips, 9, #285 of 1647 🔗

You and now thousands if not millions of people want to do the same thing.

What is this going to mean for the prices of farms with land in the UK?

If lots of people have re-located to a rural idl and are now working from home in their city jobs, I think they are in for a shock as their jobs disappear and their income dries up so they can’t pay their new supa dupa mortgages.

Will this mean that a lot of the rural properties recently bought in remote villages will go back on the market again but next time round will not have those relocated rural utopia seekers on wages to buy them so causing a crash in house prices again?

WIll this mean a lack of properties to buy? I have been looking for places to buy since last April and it seems to me that there are not so many houses with land available now. There were lots of properties before the Scamdemic really hit.

WIll the Junta enable people to build housing in rural areas with a view to allowing small holdings? This would fit with their new Communitarian revolution wouldn’t it? Off grid sustainable low impact housing.

Or is Agenda 2030 going to mean that no extra developments or living in the countryside side is permitted. Re-wilding, as they say. The agenda certainly looks like what they want to do is convert a lot of urban offices into little flats and move EVERYBODY into an urban panopticon.

Another key part of the medico-fascist takeover and global revolution is the “concern” for ZOONOTIC DISEASES. I think this will be the net battle front. It will be just too dangerous to get near livestock or nature. So get rid of the livestock and move people out of the countryside.
Hummmm

433825 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Liberty, 3, #286 of 1647 🔗

Can I come and work on your small holding …?

If we hadn’t managed to keep our little one in school in January I was seriously going to call on the farms around here asking for a job shovelling shite so I was a key worker.

434076 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Liberty, 2, #287 of 1647 🔗

Near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk is a Bhuddist retreat center for sale. Maybe if we all club together we can buy it. Just 4.7Mill.

433615 The Rule of Pricks, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 10, #288 of 1647 🔗

Does anyone have a link to the official statement that Williamson made about masks and testing not being compulsory and that children shouldnt be deprived of their education if they refuse?

Id like something government-led to wave in the face of my sons headmaster who seems to think its a legal requirement.

433624 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 11, #289 of 1647 🔗

Blinking Nora.

Why don’t these cretins do their blimmin job?

I head an organisation. I read the law. I look at the guidance. I act accordingly. It isn’t hard. The gov has a website. Parliament has a website where all its legislation can be viewed.

The tough bit is convincing people you are following the law. Governance by TV. It’s blimmin stupid.

434099 ▶▶▶ mikec, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #290 of 1647 🔗

I seem to spend an age correcting the ‘Covid law experts’, they have no idea of the difference between guidance and law. Our education system has led to so many people being unable/unwilling to critically analyse or question anything. The MSM are the worse culprits, they regurgitate some twitter idiots rantings and think it’s ‘law’.

433633 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 9, #291 of 1647 🔗

As with most of these “mask” edicts, the government has made sure that it covers its own backside.

The long list of exemptions on its website means that no-one needs to wear a mask if they do not wish to.

The lack of health and safety risk assessments (and my MP was unsuccessful in finding one for me from the Department of Transport) means that if you became ill from wearing a mask, as did my ex d-i-l who had bacterial pneumonia, the government could just turn around and say that you should have exempted yourself.

I’m pleased to read that mask-wearing will only be “encouraged” in secondary schools but how many twelve year olds will want to stand out from the crowd?
It is parents like you who will need to fight the battle for them.

433638 ▶▶ stewart, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 16, #292 of 1647 🔗

The problem isn’t going to be a legal one. It’s the social, peer pressure.

It’s very hard for a child to stand up to teachers telling them that what they are demanding is against the law.
And even harder to walk around school without a mask standing out like a sore thumb if all the other kids are wearing one.

The social pressure that fully grown adults feel all around the country to comply, not have a confrontation and not stand out in a negative way is the same for children except multiplied several times.

433670 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 5, #293 of 1647 🔗

Exempt yourself and your kids. That’s clear on gov.uk website.

433683 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 8, #294 of 1647 🔗

https://dfemedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/02/23/an-open-letter-from-education-secretary-gavin-williamson-to-parents-carers-and-guardians/

Print it off, give the kids a copy to keep in their school bags to wave at staff, teachers, heads when they ‘insist’.

433690 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Ceriain, 4, #295 of 1647 🔗

Thanks will do

433701 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 5, #296 of 1647 🔗

Sorry, but I can’t see any value in this open letter from Gavin Williamson – it says masks and tests are recommended.

Suggest the UK Medical Freedom open letter addresses the issue very succinctly – written by a solicitor and drafted by medical professionals with an open mind

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/602e6afd2d5e00dbe4cfd228_UKMFA_Open_Letter_Face_Mask_Mandates.pdf

434032 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 3, #297 of 1647 🔗

Thanks for the link, Victoria. Williamson can recommend as much as he likes, but as long as it’s a recommendation, that’s all it is.

My daughter will not be wearing a mask, or getting tested.

433688 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to The Rule of Pricks, 4, #298 of 1647 🔗

Write a letter, amend this letter example from yesterday’s Lockdownsceptics https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/24/#secondary-school-confirms-children-will-not-wear-masks-in-classroom-despite-government-recommendation

then attach the pdf (download it) of this open letter to the Government re Current FaceCovering Mandates for Children and adults (UK Medical Freedom) – this letter letter was drafted by a solicitor and has lots of references)
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/602e6afd2d5e00dbe4cfd228_UKMFA_Open_Letter_Face_Mask_Mandates.pdf

433617 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #299 of 1647 🔗

Bug-eyed Sridhar may be having tough days during these scandal infested dying days of the sturgeon empire. All those months spent tediously baring teeth towards the poisoned dwarf will need to be repeating to become influencer to the next leader of the scottish republic.

What if the next ‘leader’ decides sridhar is a bug-eyed monster? It is imperative to the globalists they keep conginuity across administrations/executives, sridhar must achieve that for the team.

433636 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 4, #300 of 1647 🔗

You think Stalin is on the way out? I just can’t see it, and if so, I don’t see much of a change of direction.

433912 ▶▶▶ silverbirch, replying to jb12, #301 of 1647 🔗

Only lesbian, atheist, foaming at the mouth separatists count for anything with the SNP

433626 Robin Birch, 7, #302 of 1647 🔗

Hi guys
Many thanks to all that responded to my post from yesterday asking for links to media re the veracity surrounding the vaccines. Very helpful.

433627 FerdIII, 18, #303 of 1647 🔗

FFS. ATL, Typical LDS, ‘I’m certainly no opponent of vaccines, which I regard (when properly and safely developed) to be a miracle of medical science. But it seems equally clear to me that under no circumstances should a person be compelled – including through threat of social or economic disadvantage’

Excuse my French but maybe looking at all the Vaxx related fucking injuries and deaths. Toss in Autism and Narcolepsy. Various disorders all unheard of until we injected 2 yr olds with 10 jabs…..your Immune System is the fucking miracle, not ingesting drugs. Have a real scientific view of what goes on with Vaxx’s, not what criminal-Pharma or the Fake News tells you.

Pasteur – a Catholic – developed the original vaccines for specific purposes (smallpox, rabies). These have nothing to do with the flu.

Professor Shitless, forcing NHS staff to take an experimential-drug jab maybe can explain the hundreds dead and thousands injured in the UK, from the same. And why, if not ill, a 99.7% effective immune system needs to be genomically enhanced/reduced by mRNA?
And further, flu vaxx’s do not stop transmission.

433629 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 14, #304 of 1647 🔗

Contamination by respiratory viruses on outer surface of medical masks used by hospital healthcare workers
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-019-4109-x

Respiratory pathogens on the outer surface of the used medical masks may result in self-contamination. The risk is higher with longer duration of mask use (> 6 h) and with higher rates of clinical contact.

433650 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 10, #305 of 1647 🔗

They use the same face knickers for six hours in hospitals ?

433631 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 33, #306 of 1647 🔗

Will, thanks for making the prospect of coerced Covid stabs the headline today.

It would help a great deal if the precedent argument was made more clearly, though.

If this is normalised even just once, there is no going back including and especially for people who tell me they’re getting just this one stab so they can go on holiday. Once this has been accepted, the precedent is set and refusal of an arbitrary number of coerced medical interventions in future will be a hundred times harder to refuse. For everyone.

433637 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Katabasis, 17, #307 of 1647 🔗

Jab per variant?
Updated doc per jab per variant?
2-3 jabs a year?
Why not malaria, diarrheoa etc.?
Where are the abortion fascists ‘my body, my right’, ‘my body, my life’…..femtards are awfully quiet now about bodily rights.

433639 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to FerdIII, 4, #308 of 1647 🔗

They’re busy screeching their mask wearing virtue – have you seen Emma Kennedy’s posts on twitter boasting how she loves her mask?

433649 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to FerdIII, 2, #309 of 1647 🔗

What about the hundreds of variants found already

433818 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, #310 of 1647 🔗

There were said to 30k covid mutants before mutants became a thing.

434878 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to karenovirus, 1, #311 of 1647 🔗

There were 77827 variants worldwide and over 300 in the UK way back in mid March 2020.

http://preearth.net/pdfs/ids-cdate-sdate-name-country-mutations-77827.txt

433632 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 16, #312 of 1647 🔗

Haven’t we been here before?

433635 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Johnsontown, 18, #313 of 1647 🔗

mRNA ‘deniers’

433666 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to FerdIII, 10, #314 of 1647 🔗

Shower block is down the corridor, first left. What screams?

433958 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 5, #315 of 1647 🔗

I un-ironically want a yellow star just for:

a) the message that it sends to collaborators
b) the fence sitters it will upset
c) for the lols

434536 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to FerdIII, 1, #316 of 1647 🔗

A Jewish couple in Budapest, early 1945. The Red Army photographer who took the picture assured them it was safe to remove the stars and I think pulled them off their coats himself.

433993 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #317 of 1647 🔗

Looks about what they’d want for us – are us lepers going to be modern-day “Untouchables” as per the Indian caste system?

433634 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 6, #318 of 1647 🔗

I’m posting a link to the Scottish government strategic framework. I can’t bring myself to read past the start of it, as if I’m reading correctly the Scots are going to be imprisoned forever. This looks nothing like a get out of lockdown plan and more like a zero covid plan, which as even someone with not much education can say is impossible.
The fools that believe that getting a jab in their arm will free them, they’re wrong, the might as well put handcuffs on and chain themselves up.

The image of the lion in a cage is powerful, as that is where these brainwashed Scots are heading, a cage of their own making.

DEATHS SAVE LIVES should be written above their cage.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-strategic-framework-update-february-2021/pages/protective-measures-and-our-levels-approach/?fbclid=IwAR1E5ZegMKy84rrBDXxzGiV5bvzPsdSSxyKfYfS7h-7q9Xmx07oJopjl15o

The photo tells us that it’s zero covid as this will be the new criteria that has to be met. Lockdown in another name forever.

If anyone cares to read it and tell me I’m wrong, I will be much obliged.

433657 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Just about sane, 4, #319 of 1647 🔗

Will Sturgeon be gone soon?

433699 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to DanClarke, 4, #320 of 1647 🔗

Not looking good for that dream. My fear is although most are fed up with the rules and breaking them, they see her as being better than him down south. My other fear is the elections in May.
Nearly into March and there has been no campaigning and no one to stand against her. The people I know that really dislike her are unfortunately talking about not voting at all.
These elections are not going to be democratic as we knew it but I’m now under no illusion that I still live in a democratic country.
I will do as much as I can to encourage voting but I don’t know who we would vote for, as there has only been about 2 to 3 MSP that have spoken out against and all three are Conservative. I really can’t believe I write this but if we need to vote strategically I will vote tory for the first time ever just help to get shot of my MSP at least.

433905 ▶▶▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Just about sane, 2, #321 of 1647 🔗

What is the latest date for calling an election. From memory I thought it was 6 weeks prior. That would mean a date set around 25 March for a 6 May election. I just despair here in Scotland

433746 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DanClarke, 3, #322 of 1647 🔗

Doubt it. The only people who can get rid of Krankie as leader of the SNP is the Party itself, and she’s got so many people in her pocket, including the press, the Scottish Civil Service and the judiciary, and, given how she’s worked the Salmond thing, she’s probably got files full of dirt on every one of her colleagues.

434541 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ceriain, #323 of 1647 🔗

Maybe there is dirt on her. In fact perhaps that is making her easy to manipulate?

433644 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #324 of 1647 🔗

“The Virus Has Killed the Liberal Order” – Daniel Hannan with a pessimistic take, writing on the John Locke Institute site

Hannan looks pretty solid here and I recall some solidly anti-panic early messages, but I also have a vague memory of him being a bit of a bedwetter at some point. Am I just misremembering, or did he wobble badly?

433651 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Mark, 3, #325 of 1647 🔗

You’re not misremembering.

433674 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Mark, #326 of 1647 🔗

“The Virus Has Killed the Liberal Order” – so not all bad then.

433678 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #327 of 1647 🔗

He means the Rights of Man capital L kind of classical liberalism.

433758 ▶▶ Alci, replying to Mark, 1, #328 of 1647 🔗

But he now appears to have given up, having not bothered fighting at all.

433645 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #329 of 1647 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295743/NO-cases-influenza-detected-England-year-social-distancing-measures.html Flu has disappeared, lockdown, masks, distancing worked on flu but not on Covid…..

433647 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to DanClarke, 6, #330 of 1647 🔗

The comments are priceless.

433654 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jinks, 3, #331 of 1647 🔗

If the muzzled can’t see through this there’s no hope

433662 ▶▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to DanClarke, 10, #332 of 1647 🔗

Flu sorted but no cure for stupid yet.

433669 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to DanClarke, 9, #333 of 1647 🔗

The muzzled don’t want to see through it.

Hard as it is to believe, many people get perverse pleasure from wearing a mask and would love for it to be permanent.

Feminists will want to shoot me down for saying this, but there are plenty of women in Saudi Arabia, Iran etc who are in favour of being covered up.

Humans can be strange creatures.

433732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 12, #334 of 1647 🔗

I remember years ago Ayaan Hirsi Ali pointing that out – when it comes to oppression against women, the worst oppressors are fellow women.

So I’m not surprised that when it comes to muzzling, again the worst enforcers of this diktat are fellow humasn beings.

Hence why I’m of the view that when this is over, we should be reminding people of their complicity when they go “actually I was against the lockdowns all along.”

Never forgive, never forget.

433934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #335 of 1647 🔗

Best was a few years ago a study proved that the vast majority of harassment suffered by women online was from other women
Feminists had the study buried and the authors sacked

433939 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #336 of 1647 🔗

I vaguely heard of that incident a few years ago. Feminists also tried to discredit a study conducted by a leading recrutiment agency some years ago which revealved that the vast majority of women they contacted said that they would rather have a male line manager than a woman.

434030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Crichton, replying to Bart Simpson, #337 of 1647 🔗

True seen it real life. Female employee falling short for whatever reason, male boss tries to tackle issue – cue floods of tears and the guy feeling terrible about it. Of course the same trick has absolutely no effect on a female boss.

434003 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #338 of 1647 🔗

Ah – but we can produce proof we are against it. That will give them a headache to try and produce said proof (as they’ve not nailed their colours to the mast publicly). My own proof is I’ve been running a local anti-Lockdown Facebook page for some months now and the (dated of course) posts up on my own Facebook account. Now I wonder what those others who try and climb on board once we’ve won this war will try and use as proof they were really with us all along? Hah!!!!!

433672 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to DanClarke, 10, #339 of 1647 🔗

So many are just keeping their heads down, waiting for it all to blow over. An insult to ostriches. Boy, haven’t they got a shock coming.

433734 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 5, #340 of 1647 🔗

They’ll regret their ostriching when economic Armageddon comes for them.

433648 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DanClarke, 9, #341 of 1647 🔗

Do they test manically for flu with an unreliable PCR test?

433663 ▶▶ danny, replying to DanClarke, 8, #342 of 1647 🔗

Yep. So according to mortality figures there has been no significant rise in deaths overall, higher than previous years yes, but not by that much, but all other causes, including flu, have all but vanished.
Hmmm. I wonder.

433702 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to danny, 2, #343 of 1647 🔗

Did you see the brilliant post by Allen yesterday. The forum got messy but it will be on yesterday’s most voted.

434028 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to DanClarke, #344 of 1647 🔗

Hilarious thank you

433646 Annie, replying to Annie, 43, #345 of 1647 🔗

Another thought a pbout the atrocious threat from the GMC.
How many doctors can they afford to lose? The NHS has been shrieking about severe shortages of GPs for years.
Refusers, stick to your guns and see how the brutes get on without you.

433652 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 33, #346 of 1647 🔗

They are seriously panicking.
If doctors refuse to take the vaccine…not a good look.

433658 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Annie, 12, #347 of 1647 🔗

Disgraceful of the GMC – N Korea is beginning to look an attractive alternative to life in Blighty

433675 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Robin Birch, 7, #348 of 1647 🔗

No private central bank, no porn, no restrictions on cannabis.

434235 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jinks, 2, #349 of 1647 🔗

I suppose 2 out of 3 ain’t bad … 🙂

433719 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Robin Birch, 4, #350 of 1647 🔗

yes, at least they’re not actively trying to kill you there. they just want you to worship that fat plonker, or at least pretend to

434539 ▶▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to JaneHarry, #351 of 1647 🔗

For a mo I thought you were refering to Bozo

433656 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #352 of 1647 🔗

“Toby Young

@toadmeister

I was in a discussion yesterday to mark the launch of a new book – Covid: The Year of Mistakes – when David Banks, ex-editor of the Mirror and a contributor to the book, said, “Lockdown hasn’t killed anyone.”

I took issue with that.”

Sterling stuff from our host.

433659 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mark, 4, #353 of 1647 🔗

It’s always incredibly depressing when someone says something like that when it could easily have been disproved with but a few moments thought or a few seconds on Google.

433983 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Katabasis, #354 of 1647 🔗

Absolutely. I suspect (not having seen the full discussion) that the person in question might have been trying to argue that all the deaths caused by lockdown were actually consequences of the disease as the underlying cause, which is a philosophically arguable assertion even if imo it’s completely wrong and the counter argument is much stronger.

433661 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Mark, 2, #355 of 1647 🔗

Would be good to see the context in which he said that, or what exactly he meant.
Even the government admits lockdowns have caused thousands of deaths.

433673 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 3, #356 of 1647 🔗

The lack of tourism in places where there is no free money has apparently caused death and misery

433676 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 7, #357 of 1647 🔗

I know people in public health and they seem to have collectively decided last year that lockdown doesn’t do anything bad – its the virus. the virus caused us to lockdown so its all the virus. its mental and completely shirks responsibility

433713 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, 4, #358 of 1647 🔗

I wonder if these same people would think the same if they were denied earning a proper income.

433679 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #359 of 1647 🔗

I think govt-sponsored studies have said lockdown did kill people, but they claim fewer than it saved

433680 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mark, 1, #360 of 1647 🔗

Sterling??? Never heard a more insipid response.

433975 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 3, #361 of 1647 🔗

No, I think that’s unduly harsh. Horses for courses – in the context of a mainstream discussion in which this came up presumably rather peripherally, this was pretty strong stuff. I’ll criticise Toby when I feel it’s appropriate to do so, but here he made the vital points of deaths being caused by the lockdown and emphasised that these are deaths due to lockdown, not pandemic. And he used appropriately strong language:

“tragic”
“absolutely catastrophic”
“worst policy error ever committed by western governments”

434093 ▶▶▶ mikec, replying to Bungle, #362 of 1647 🔗

You’re in the wrong forum………

433668 DanClarke, 20, #363 of 1647 🔗

Its like the experimental part of Agenda 21, although a lot of people think this is a conspiracy theory only. Have our own politicians agreed to make the UK this part of the experiment and see how far they can push it and what they need to tweek. The Agenda is planned until 2030. The ludicrousness of so much of it, masks working on flu but not on Covid, visitors banned from care homes while carers etc are in an out all of the time, the BIT unit statement that we weren’t terrrified enough, standing in empty Nightingale hospitals for a jab and not wondering why they were empty, so much BS

433671 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 40, #364 of 1647 🔗

A thought on the injection coercion and a play on the government’s propaganda.

Anyone going to the doctor for their injection should say “Look me in the eye and tell me you believe this injection to be safe; look me in the eye and tell me you would honestly have your family injected …”

I think it’s always instructive to turn things around on the professional classes. I was once going to buy a flat and the conveyancing process was going along quite smoothly until my solicitor found something about it not being on mains drainage. She told me it was nothing to worry about. So, I asked her “would you buy this flat?” The slight hesitancy in her response spoke volumes.

433691 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 19, #365 of 1647 🔗

I suffered PND, and the doctor straightaway, wanted to put me on prozac. Boasted about how his sister had been popping one a day for TWENTY YEARS, to help stay happy. I was aghast, though I didn’t show it, and don’t think that was the response he’d been hoping to evoke. I got the prescription, but never took the medication. Too many doctors are just glorified drug-pushers.

433706 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jinks, 17, #366 of 1647 🔗

I’m glad you stuck to your guns. You’re preaching to the converted: my mum lies in a grave years ahead of her time because of state-sanctioned drug pushing (antidepressants also). It was only when I secured meetings with all those involved in her ‘care’ and I pointed out the destruction their drugs had wreaked on my family life, that they understood. But, sadly, it was too late by then.

The point I was trying to make was that I was just hoping that this might be a medical intervention too far for most doctors. But that’s not to diminish the horrors unleashed by other drugs which I and many, many others know to their everlasting cost.

433731 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 16, #367 of 1647 🔗

Thank you. I was ruined by excema and severe recurring bronchitis (probably vaccine damage)had 6-monthly hospital visits, only for the strength of the steroid prescription increasing, till I was on the strongest one. Made me overweight, which then had my mum forcing me to diet, because she just didn’t understand why. Discovered natural healing at 16. I only really started looking into vaccines, when I became pregnant, and started being bombarded by information about the childhood immunisation schedule. And not one doctor or health professional knew anything about the ingredients, let alone severe “side-effects”. I’ve never trusted the medical establishment since.

433757 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jinks, 11, #368 of 1647 🔗

Horrible for you. My conclusions from my own experiences is that the medical profession (not all, but most) seem to want to medicalise every single aspect of human life. The horrors unleashed on an unsuspecting public by BigPharma are despicable. Several hugely instructive books on this subject are anything by Dr James Le Fanu and The Greatest Experiment Ever Performed on Women by Barbara Seaman.

433770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 3, #369 of 1647 🔗

Thank you for the references. I have so much reading to do. I love it. I’ve always been a bit of a Johnny-5. “Need input Stephanie”.

433860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to kh1485, 9, #370 of 1647 🔗

Absolutely true about the medical profession trying to medicalise every aspect of human life. When I worked in the NHS I had numerous calls from GPs wanting to refer people to the mental health team who were in the early stages of grieving following the loss of a loved one.

433873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to fiery, 16, #371 of 1647 🔗

Awful. I’m pretty sure that’s what they wanted to palm off on me, I told them to shove their pills. And this constant reference to ‘mental health’ pisses me off. Grief and sadness is part and parcel of life, no pill can cure that – they can only numb the pain felt and cause considerable and nasty side-effects into the bargain.

433833 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jinks, 11, #372 of 1647 🔗

It’s occurred to me recently that I should try to get used to self-medication and home remedies because I think that, if we continue to refuse the vaccines, we may find it hard to get other medications. I’ve already given up one and, ironically, feel better than I did before, so why had I been taking it for years? But I can’t trust a system which is pushing these jabs without checking the efficacy and risks. Big pharma has destroyed my trust in the NHS.

433917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to jos, 18, #373 of 1647 🔗

I learned how to breathe properly, cook fresh, exercise moderately, and haven’t been near the doctor for over 20 years. And I plan to keep it like that. Nature and your own biology has everything you require. The whole medical establishment us just Rockefeller Foundation brainwashed victims. Once you realise the petro-chemical industrial corporatisation of Western education and health, you wouldn’t trust this lot to run a bath.

434931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to jos, 1, #374 of 1647 🔗

Every chemical you take into your body has a side effect on the balance of your immune system. It also takes months to process through the body. It’s just common sense which seems to be in short supply nowadays. I was born in the war
when doctors cost money and actually that was cheaper, we looked after our own health, acted responsibly and ate less but good simple food.The NHS has been badly abused and is not fit for purpose,

434084 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to kh1485, 3, #375 of 1647 🔗

A middle aged friend of mine who has been a committed hypochondriac since his teenage years ( the result of being raised as an only child by an overly protective mother) has never had any chronic ailment but is permanently on tablets and potions that the doctors have prescribed when he has visited them every three or four weeks for a miscellany of perceived ailments. Whilst I don’t begrudge some people getting free prescriptions, in his case it has just encouraged his abuse of the system (if he paid he wouldn’t be so eager to take every medication going) He has a bathroom cabinet which he refers to as his ‘medicine cabinet’ and it is literally that. No part of his body has gone unchecked! What appalls me is that the surgery must know that he is a hypochondriac but they humour him with outpatient referrals to the hospital for scans etc which never identify any problems. He has had his ‘jab’ of course.

434934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Dodderydude, #376 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps he won’t be a drain on the NHS much longer then, he’s had his moneys worth.

433721 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Jinks, 7, #377 of 1647 🔗

I noticed this when I had my first child , they wanted me to go on some form of anti depressant. I took the prescription but didn’t take them
I was diagnosed with anxiety last year after having a panic attack in a supermarket. They offered again some form of drug which I refused and they referred me for therapy. The only reason I’m having the therapy so quickly is because I’m pregnant otherwise there was a huge waiting list and I wouldn’t be having it now.

433755 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Jinks, 14, #378 of 1647 🔗

Many doctors these days seem to simply prescribe pharmaceuticals which basically suppress symptoms and rarely “cure” the problem when they should be looking at the whole person and what the root cause might be. Effectively behaving as sales reps for drug companies. As we know they are now getting paid on top of their salaries for every vaccine administered and I think a bit extra for pushing it on those in nursing homes. If I were a doctor this wouldn’t sit well with me, not one bit.

433826 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Suzyv, 8, #379 of 1647 🔗

Doctors are taught in establishments that have taken large sums of money from big pharma. No influence there, of course.

433926 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #380 of 1647 🔗

The doctors themselves often receive large sums from Big Pharma.

No ethics in medicine anymore.

434915 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Jinks, 1, #381 of 1647 🔗

That happened to a friend of mine in the 60’s, she ended up being very ill after the same amount of time. My mother worked for a doctor’s for twenty years and I learnt a lot. I never go there ( fingers crossed) and I take nothing chemical or any advice either from them. So far, so good.

433749 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 7, #382 of 1647 🔗

Good point. Same with the GP’s & NHS bosses who, despite the NHS apparently being crippled to breaking point, seemingly have quite substantial time each day to post on social media ‘the vaccine is totally safe’.

Well, look at some of the reports on Dailyexpose & elsewhere after vaccination – instances of severe sight problems, hearing problems, (among other things obviously) as they point out, these effects are significantly likely, to be in age groups & categories where perhaps, people could have been waiting a year to see & talk to their loved ones… How about Dr’s or someone from the NHS spend some time with relatives & friends of those people. and tell them that someone waited a year to see & be near their loved ones, unfortunately now they’re suffering with severe vision or hearing loss because of this experimental vaccine…look them in the eyes and tell them that isn’t a fate worse than death…

434014 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 3, #383 of 1647 🔗

LOL – and that just reminded me of my late mother – who was most definitely not the “brightest bulb in the room” that’s for sure unfortunately. Come menopause time – she asked her female doctor if she’d take artificial hormones for it and the doctor said that she wouldnt. Cue for my mother thinking “Decision made…..I won’t either then”.

433677 isobar, replying to isobar, 7, #384 of 1647 🔗

Latest from Chris Snowdon

Why the zero-Covid cure could be worse than the diseaseLockdowns have enormous economic, social and psychological costs; they can’t be used to eradicate the virus altogether.

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/coronavirus/2021/02/why-zero-covid-cure-could-be-worse-disease

433687 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to isobar, 7, #385 of 1647 🔗

He’s changed his tune.

And publishing this in the New Statesman too. Interesting.

433693 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 3, #386 of 1647 🔗

…and comments are closed. What a prat he’s turned out to be.

433698 ▶▶ isobar, replying to isobar, 1, #387 of 1647 🔗

If you can’t get past the NS paywall (you normally get a couple of free articles) you can find a precis here

https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/

433722 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to isobar, 4, #388 of 1647 🔗

We could try to shield the vulnerable while a measure of herd immunity was built up, but shielding is harder than it sounds and there are a lot of vulnerable people out there. Non-pharmaceutical interventions, up to and including lockdowns, could be used to spread the epidemic over a longer period of time to avoid overwhelming the health service, but the policy would still involve around one in 150 people dying .

I’d love to know where he got that number from. Is he talking about 1 in 150 for the whole population, or those who catch it, i.e. an IFR of 0.66%. Is he getting his numbers from Ferguson and Imperial? I’m sure that their current IFR estimate.

433685 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 113, #389 of 1647 🔗

I hope people don’t mind, but I’m going to take a moment to pat myself on the back.

I am a trustee of a local playgroup, and I’ve just joined as a governor of a local primary school. In the past week I have:

  • Changed the advice the playgroup gave re. vaccines from ‘strongly encourage’ to neither encouraging nor discouraging their use;
  • Successfully removed from the ‘behaviours policy’ of the primary school a paragraph where they were encouraging the children (remember this is a primary school) to wear masks. They are still making teachers, but that matters less to me (for now).

Small victories, I know, but I still feel good about myself. I am slowly moving from ‘not a nazi’ to ‘member of the resistance’!

433694 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kenadams, 23, #390 of 1647 🔗

Don’t be so modest. Most people in any forum just want to be with the crowd. Takes guts to speak out.

Ever watched 12 Angry Men?

433709 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #391 of 1647 🔗

wasn’t the defendant in 12 angry men clearly guilty?

433717 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 2, #392 of 1647 🔗

He was found not guilty.

433726 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #393 of 1647 🔗

He was, just from the information in the film he seemed guilty. If you couldnt find him guilty you couldnt really find anyone guilty – because there is always a smidgen of doubt

433741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to steve_w, 1, #394 of 1647 🔗

The notion that there is always some doubt is false. Lots of criminal cases are clear cut and the evidence is overwhelming. In Twelve Angry Men, the evidence against the defendant does not stand up to critical scrutiny and is demonstrably false. Have you watched the film?

433742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Hayes, #395 of 1647 🔗

yes, I watched it but a few years ago. I would have convicted based on what I saw!

434209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, #396 of 1647 🔗

Every experience is a learning experience.

434208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, #397 of 1647 🔗

smidgen <> reasonable

433794 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #398 of 1647 🔗

from the evidence initially produced he seemed guilty . However due to a poor defence counsel, some elements of the evidence were not questioned and it was the initial doubts raised over the railroading of the case and subsequent questioning of the evidence by the Henry Fonda character (Juror 8) that lead the jury to reconsider their initial guilty verdicts.
It is an allegory for the current acceptance of the “truth” by the MSM and the sheeple who do not take the time , or have the inclination to question the evidence

433952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mj, #399 of 1647 🔗

I suspect I may come to a different conclusion if I’d been a juror rather than watching a film of jurors.

433718 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to steve_w, 1, #400 of 1647 🔗

Appearances can be deceptive. Great movie I’d seriously recommend it.

433712 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #401 of 1647 🔗

I was helped a lot that the chair of the playgroup is very reasonable. And by the central government guidance just released which explicitly states masks not required for primary schools. So I was able to frame my objections very neutrally.

433697 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kenadams, 3, #402 of 1647 🔗

That’s fantastic. Well done!

433704 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to kenadams, 2, #403 of 1647 🔗

Thankyou and well done.

433707 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kenadams, 5, #404 of 1647 🔗

fantastic work! I’m kind of envious of you, I wish I had a chance to do some real resistance work. I am waiting for my opportunity.

433720 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kenadams, 6, #405 of 1647 🔗

Pat away

I think any organisation that pushes personal medical interventions like masks and jabs is mad as well as immoral. In general it is none of their business.

433724 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to kenadams, 5, #406 of 1647 🔗

This is FANTASTIC!!!! I would hug you if I knew who you were and where you are. You are one of the true heroes of this war. Take a medal from us!

433736 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kenadams, 1, #407 of 1647 🔗

Great news!!!!

434211 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kenadams, 1, #408 of 1647 🔗

Brilliant, well done Ken.

433689 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #409 of 1647 🔗

The article regarding the numbers on Covid is excellent. Its the basics really, but if people can’t even take those numbers (survival rates and the counting of a death as Covid, the huge drop in other causes of death) then we’ve no hope. This never ends until the government says it does. They got us by the short and curlies as they say.

433703 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #410 of 1647 🔗

I think her main point was that next to nobody in the MSM (there have been a few exceptions) is bothering to look at the numbers, or publish them.

We here BTL on Lockdown Sceptics have been taking the numbers apart for months.

433696 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 19, #411 of 1647 🔗

I heard the doctors of the Great Barrington Declaration are being asked onto MSM

433802 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to DanClarke, 7, #412 of 1647 🔗

Great quote at end of this 5 minute video with Drs Battacharaya and Kulldorff

”we punished the young and didn’t protect the elderly”

I would add and screwed millions in between.

https://youtu.be/l2m7p4W4-i4

433700 BeBopRockSteady, 4, #413 of 1647 🔗

This needs to be supported by anyone with a conscience and belief in freedom
https://mobile.twitter.com/FreedomIsrael_/status/1364675519535607821

433708 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 46, #414 of 1647 🔗

Standing in the office today chatting to my fellow compatriot we overheard a terrible cough and subsequent conversation 6 desks away (4 of us on 1 floor today), now, owner of the cough is dyed in the wool late 50 something 30 year career civil servant as is the person she sits opposite.

Last week I happened to follow her into the building and quietly admired her tartan face smothering and it was quite ridiculous to see her constantly touching it and pulling it away from her face as she bid me a good morning and then take it off when she got to her desk. I’m also told her weekly management meeting consists of parroting the bile spewed by wee Jimmy krankie.

…cough…cough…’i can’t understand it, I can’t shake this cough, i’ve been so careful’

‘do you think it might be your mask, can’t be healthy, I read somewhere that it’s not healthy to breathe in the germs we breathe out’

‘hmmm, oh dear, do you think so, could be I suppose’

Ha ha haaaaaaa….fools…..

433728 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to stefarm, 16, #415 of 1647 🔗

constantly touching it and pulling it away from her face”. That’s the bit that grinds my gears about this whole thing; the poor mask discipline. I don’t think they realise just how filthy it is to keep on touching the face mask and then go on to touch everything else.

Watched someone last week in the supermarket queue, pulled their mask down, fired their snot rockets and pulled the mask back up again holding the front of it

434022 ▶▶▶ TyRade, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 3, #416 of 1647 🔗

remember, if you’re old enough, the slimy feeling of a well-used cotton hankie in the pocket, at the end of a long school day sneezing and nose-bleeding and gobbing? Welcome to Maskland!

434113 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #417 of 1647 🔗

Have you noticed how they ALWAYS touch JUST THAT SPACE right where the mouth is!

433828 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 8, #418 of 1647 🔗

One of the managers in my work tested positive and this despite I suspect following all the rules.

She’s probably wondering how how could that be.

433715 wendyk, 18, #419 of 1647 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9297015/ANDREW-NEIL-Nicola-Sturgeons-storm-troops-turned-Scotland-banana-republic.html

This is what we are stuck with up here: she’s not going to be held accountable in this farcical inquiry,so why should she not pursue the equally implausible zero covid strategy, with its enticing implications for control creep ad infinitum.

We are in a parlous state here; a state both dysfunctional , dystopian and dictatorial.

433716 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 35, #420 of 1647 🔗

ATL this morning, “ All the COVID-19 vaccines are still in Phase 3 trials which are not due to finish until the end of 2022 or early 2023. These trials look for medium and long term safety data. They are not licensed but are being used under Emergency Authorisation.

Chatting to an elderly neighbour last night who had his first jab a couple of weeks ago. Turns out it was the Pfizer jab, no side effects. A friend of his had the AZ and suffered severe shivering and chills 12 hours after his.

The above is not really the point of this post though. The conversation turned to when I would be getting the vax. I said I don’t know and I’m not sure that I’ll take an experimental vaccine anyway. The fact that it was still experimental was a surprise to him. I said, “Yes, they still only have Emergency Authorisation Use approval. You are part of an ongoing trial, you are just another data point in that trial to assess the vaccine”.

The look of surprise on his face would be an understatement and I’m shocked, although I probably shouldn’t be at this stage just how uninformed peoples consent to vaccination is.

433723 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 17, #421 of 1647 🔗

Health care ethics required informed voluntary consent. If they were not informed about the fact that the product was still being tested and no one knows whether it is safe or not, the practitioner was clearly behaving unethically.

433727 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #422 of 1647 🔗

i suspect that none of the recipients have been explicitly informed that the experimental vaccines is still in ‘test’ phase and therefore they are agreeing to be a test ‘subject’ (guinea pig)

433729 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Steve Hayes, #423 of 1647 🔗
433739 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #424 of 1647 🔗

Ppi claims companies have entered the chat!

433811 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #425 of 1647 🔗

That’s the rub. And if there are appreciable side effects from these ‘vaccines’ it is going to take the medical establishment down.

The recipients are not being told that these ‘vaccines’ are still in the trials phase.

As far as I can tell, that – quite simply – is professional negligence, aside from being deeply unethical.

434941 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Steve Hayes, #426 of 1647 🔗

Can that be used in a law suit?

433744 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 7, #427 of 1647 🔗

Yes people get shocked when you point out the fact it is still in human trials stages and those who have had it, are essentially test subjects.

433835 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 7, #428 of 1647 🔗

I now know of quite a few of people who have had the AZ “vaccine”, but only one who had Pfizer (both injections). Pfizer test subject was in late 80’s and suffered no side effects. Everyone I know who had AZ has had side-effects ranging from:
– 1-4 days of flu symptoms.
– Losing consciousness after leaving the surgery – and suffering injury due to fall.
– Stroke (within 24 hours).
– Death (within a week, don’t know the details).

433725 alw, replying to alw, 15, #429 of 1647 🔗

Good to see Mike Yeadon back commenting on Sir Charles Walker’s article in Torygraph. See comments section.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/24/governments-campaign-terrify-people-compliance-covid-rules-shameless/

433812 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to alw, 2, #430 of 1647 🔗

Excellent comments by MY.

433730 Julian, replying to Julian, 9, #431 of 1647 🔗

We could have done with him speaking up much earlier, but anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Sbp-YpczI&ab_channel=talkRADIO

John Holland-Kaye has called for the UK to take a lead in opening normal international travel.

Speaking to talkRADIO’s Julia Hartley-Brewer, the Heathrow Airport boss said: “People need to get out there again. We should be able to start opening up normal travel without all the checks very soon. The UK can really show a lead into how to open up international travel again. We can set the standard that other countries can choose to follow.”

433800 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 5, #432 of 1647 🔗

Good to see business people finally speaking out.Its been a long time coming.

433740 PastImperfect, 2, #433 of 1647 🔗

Check out the Corbett Report with Whitney Webb

433743 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #434 of 1647 🔗

Another reminder of the unreliability of PCR tests. This is problem in the whole of Europe. This might explain the erratic figures of C-19 cases in Central Europe. How can this be allowed to happen in competent PH systems?

https://twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/1364853620462747651
From Sept 2020 to Jan 2021 up to 35% UK Covid-19 positive cases have only found a single ‘target gene’, rather than the two or more required by the PCR kit manufacturer and the WHO. Positive cases may therefore be inconclusive, negative, or caused by competing pathogens

434116 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to swedenborg, #435 of 1647 🔗

That is hot stuff. Obviously will be ignored by MSM.

434881 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to swedenborg, #436 of 1647 🔗

I think this is referring specifically to the ONS Infection Survey .

Does the same apply to testing in hospitals, care homes, test centres etc; I don’t know?

It was actually 38% for the week starting 1st February (29% N only + 9% ORF1ab only) so above 35%

And is now back to 35% (28% + 7%) for the week starting 8th February.

Positives for the S gene only (the one that has genetic changes in the new variant) aren’t counted as positives

433747 Ned of the Hills, 12, #437 of 1647 🔗

On yesterday’s page Professor Neil Ferguson was quoted as having written to a correspondent:-

Neil O’Brien’s cogent critique I think summarises the issues and the damage you and your fellow sceptics have caused:

The cogent critique was an article the Guardian published last month – viz:-“ I’d love to ignore ‘Covid sceptics’ and their tall tales. But they make a splash and have no shame.”

Rather than a cogent critique I thought it a bit of a rant.

The main thrust of the piece was to criticise opponents of the lockdown for playing down the serious nature of the virus. He was not, however, strictly balanced in his own arguments.

Sweden was all the rage. Never mind that its death rate was 10 times that of its neighbours.”

If he’d have said “10 times that of its neighbour Norway” the statement could not be gainsaid – but he used the plural. Compared to Denmark this is a gross exaggeration.

He conflates “Covid-sceptics” with “Lockdown-sceptics” saying of the former:

They are powerful figures, not used to being questioned. But the truth is that they have a hell of lot to answer for.”

“Powerful figures?” – like, what? – in the government?

“Not use to being questioned”?

“a hell of lot to answer for” ? – the virus itself presumably.

433748 alw, replying to alw, 23, #438 of 1647 🔗

All the wheels have fallen off the bus and the wreckage is heading for the scrapheap hopefully never to be recycled.

Masks and testing in schools not compulsory.

A monthly review by the CPS has found that *every single* charge under the Coronavirus Act was unlawful.

Not single case of flu detected by Public Health England this year. “ Public Health England is yet to record a single case of the influenza virus in 2020”

Hopefully LS readers can add more to the list.

433790 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to alw, 8, #439 of 1647 🔗

Sceptical comments appearing in The Independent.

Hancocks been found guilty of at least one of his crimes ( though not charged )

Florida

433754 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #440 of 1647 🔗

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/02/covid-19-risk-to-jews.html

 C-19 death according to religion according to ONS. Jews highest risk. Atheism seems protective!

433762 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to swedenborg, 1, #441 of 1647 🔗

I expect Jews to be f a higher average age due to generally low fertility, apart from the Orthodox.

Confounding factor.

433765 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to swedenborg, 2, #442 of 1647 🔗

I read somewhere that in the US the Orthodox Jews and the Amish have some of the lowest cases and death rates.

Happy to be corrected and sorry can’t remember where I read it.

433756 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 28, #443 of 1647 🔗

Would YOU care if your doctor wasn’t ”jabbed”? If you believe in it, and YOU’ve had it – what the hell does it matter who else hasn’t?

433792 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Banjones, 4, #444 of 1647 🔗

I thought they were developed to reduce severity of symptoms in the vaccinated. Personal choice.

433820 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Banjones, 7, #445 of 1647 🔗

It’s been conflated with the muzzle lies. “Wearing a muzzle is to protect others” becomes “having a vaccine protects others”. The sheep don’t care if it is true or not, why spoil an opportunity to virtue-signal about what a good person they are by getting the monkey-spunk.

433827 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to TheBluePill, 6, #446 of 1647 🔗

Rhetorical, I know, but: how does a ‘vaccine’ that does not stop me getting – or passing on – a disease, protect others??

433760 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 10, #447 of 1647 🔗

Sorry, totally OT but two years ago on this day Mark Hollis of the band Talk Talk died suddenly.
This is his most beautiful piece of music, it is about hope and renewal.

If the link does not work the track is called “New Grass”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI_c7hflLhY

434127 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to nickbowes, 1, #448 of 1647 🔗

Thanks for posting this, I have to check them out more. Their big hit is one of my favourite songs, therefor I do not even know what it is called!
I used to work at our local concert venue, we often had people who I had never heard of of selling out. This would have been one of them.

434217 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, 1, #449 of 1647 🔗

Their Live AT montreux is superb

433761 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 57, #450 of 1647 🔗

Chatting to the street cleaner who has just gone down my street. He very kindly removed the 3 filthy masks that had been disposed of over my fence and into the garden – well, I wasn’t touching them.

He told me the streets, roads, pavements and verges were absolutely hoaching with these things. He won’t wear one, even though his job can be hazardous; he thinks those who do, especially outside, are idiots. He also said he thought they were disgusting bastards for just pulling them off and chipping them to the ground where they stood.

Top man!

433771 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Ceriain, 4, #451 of 1647 🔗

Sanity in action!

433772 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ceriain, 15, #452 of 1647 🔗

The sight of them on the ground is vile and I hate people littering of any sort but to discard a filthy mask on the ground is gross. And they are the ones spouting off about us not wearing them.

433868 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Ceriain, 9, #453 of 1647 🔗

I come across 100s of masks where I live and wish I could catch someone in the act of discarding one.

433869 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ceriain, 13, #454 of 1647 🔗

why isn’t that man running SAGE and Neil Ferguson cleaning the streets? clown world

433961 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, 10, #455 of 1647 🔗

Hear, hear!!! The sight of masks littering our streets and especially our green spaces is an abomination.

I despise littering and its appalling that we’ve been getting tumbleweed from the likes of Attenborough when they were hysterical about straws and coffee cups forgetting that masks and single use PPE are much more hazardous to the environment.

That street cleaner is a top bloke! May his tribe increase.

433763 Bart Simpson, 12, #456 of 1647 🔗

A rather pessimistic headline but good links ATL.

I had a listen to the interview with David Lord Blunkett and Sir Charles Walker. Both men speak sense and Sir Charles particularly has been scathing of Sage and their role in bringing this country to its knees.

I’ve always thought that part of the reason why we’re in this shit show is because the Sage members, so blinded by the bright lights of celebrity and their egos flattered and stroked by TPTB, media and the public are loath to return to their lives of relative obscurity. So in order to keep themselves in the spotlight they lobby for more and more restrictions and use every means to sprout their rubbish on the airwaves or in print,

This is further compounded by the fact as well that these people are cushioned by relative wealth, are still working and being paid and possibly don’t have to live and put up with mental health issues, substance abuse and domestic violence. In short they’re OK while the rest of us suffer.

There will be hell to pay when this is over and Sage have to realise that the writing is on the wall for them:

MENE, MENE: Their days are numbered

TEKEL: They have been weighed on the balances and found wanting

(U)PARSIN: The Kingdon will be divided by rioting, unrest and violence

433764 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #457 of 1647 🔗

Microsoft, Intel and Adobe team up to eliminate human knowledge and halt all questions under the guise of stopping “disinformation” online

 Microsoft forms coalition to censor “disinformation” online

https://reclaimthenet.org/microsoft-forms-coalition-to-censor-disinformation-online/

433801 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 5, #458 of 1647 🔗

The other founding members of the coalition are Truepic, Intel, BBC , Adobe, and Arm.

The BBC, LOL!

And, lo, The Bill spoke and his word was heard: “There shall be no truth but the truth of The Bill.”

433766 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #459 of 1647 🔗

Are there any statistics on how Covid deaths are related to obesity?
Awful news yesterday, my friends sister in law tested positive on Sunday and passed away suddenly yesterday morning, Girl in her 30s with two young children. No other health factors apart from being very overweight.

433774 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ganjan21, 1, #460 of 1647 🔗
433782 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Jonny S., 3, #461 of 1647 🔗

Thanks, I guess it will be difficult to know if she had underlying cardiovascular, digestive or metabolic conditions. It’s not something I want to ask my colleague anyway for the time being.

433785 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #462 of 1647 🔗

Who knows but remember, healthy people don’t die from a cold or flu …

433803 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to norwegian, 2, #463 of 1647 🔗

Yes true. Now wondering if she might have had the vaccine.

433906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #464 of 1647 🔗

I bet she got the jab.

433791 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ganjan21, 11, #465 of 1647 🔗

Sorry to hear that. Not wishing to intrude on your friend and her family’s grief, but some things need to be ascertained. For her children’s sake, at least.

Was she ill before the positive test? I’m not a doctor, but I don’t think passing away ‘suddenly’ is Covid’s style.

As for the no health factors bit; that’s always a bit of an unknown. I gave my sister a stem cell transplant for Cancer; they tested me mercilessly beforehand and told me I was ‘unbelievably fit’. Less than a year later, I had two heart attacks in quick succession at the age of 48. The cardiologists had no idea where this came from as my records indicated I was very fit. Only later did they ascertain it was likely a heredity condition passed to me from my father.

As I said previously, my condolences.

433842 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ceriain, 6, #466 of 1647 🔗

No intrusion at all C. Yes she was ill with the symptoms prior to the test and when my friend spoke with her on Tuesday she said she still sounded sick and told her to go to hospital. I am unsure of she did or not.
Glad you recovered from your heart attacks. Undetected heart conditions can be fatal. A young lad I went to school with died on the rugby field with an unknown heart condition aged only 15.

433867 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #467 of 1647 🔗

I think obesity is a sign that something’ s really fucked up in your body – it is not working as it should be, you are metabolically ill.

434039 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #468 of 1647 🔗

Thanks, that’s very kind. 🙂 I’m currently on 3 heart attacks survived.

The 15 year old dying on the rugby field is such a tragedy. It’s not as uncommon as people think, though; I know of two young men in their early 20s who died of similar conditions; both talented rugby players, both New Zealanders. Not sure if the NZ thing is significant; either way, it’s still sad.

434855 ▶▶▶▶▶ optocarol, replying to Ceriain, #469 of 1647 🔗

I haven’t seen this – was it in NZ? Googled but not found anything recent.

434016 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #470 of 1647 🔗

Any idea whether she was put on an invasive ventilator? I suspect fewer elderly people are being placed on ventilators for various reasons so I would guess that now that ventilators are being ‘freed up’ more younger people are being put on them with little attempt to treat them in less invasive ways; contributes to increasing the numbers of younger people dying ‘from’ covid of course.

433767 Victoria, 6, #472 of 1647 🔗

Leaked Video Shows Tech Boss Describing How All Conservatives Will Be Frozen Out of the Market

A leaked video released by Project Veritas shows the CEO of Salesforce describing how all conservatives will be frozen out of the corporate-controlled marketplace with the Jan. 6 protests being used as the excuse to initiate this Draconian power-grab.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/leaked-video-shows-tech-boss-describing-how-all-conservatives-will-be-frozen-out-of-the-market/

433773 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 20, #473 of 1647 🔗

I am genuinely shocked that there is absolutely no mention of Joel Smalley and this completely stunning piece of work, either above in ATL or in our comments (unless I’ve missed them).

This came out last night, and is just jaw dropping. He has a model that if had been used instead of twatty Ferguson then we would have been free last May.

You simply must watch this and just listen to what he’s saying and also, because of the crap thrown at these experts, what he is NOT saying, especially towards the end where he puts forward a ‘hypothesis’ as to why there is a massive spike in deaths in care homes and the over 80’s.

Note this is a long video (about an hour and 20min) and it’s complicated with graphs (make your screen as large as possible). But I promise it’s brilliant and I think THE most important piece of work I’ve seen. If there is ever a Nuremberg after this, then this work will be used against Ferguson, Wancock et al.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWTaEtkZiA4

433786 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #474 of 1647 🔗

It’s very thought provoking isn’t it.

It’s actually in today’s round up links above by the way.

433796 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #475 of 1647 🔗

Is it, see I knew I’d miss it. Although it deserves to be a headline not a link!
Thanks FC. 👍

434149 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Redundant Pilot, #476 of 1647 🔗

Just as startling, (but not surprising), was the model finding that NPIs caused more mortality than covid in spring 2020.

434212 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Redundant Pilot, #477 of 1647 🔗

It’s amazing stuff.

433781 alw, 10, #479 of 1647 🔗
  • Initial modeling predicted COVID-19 would have a fatality rate of 2% to 3%. In reality, it’s nowhere near that, except for the elderly. One research team puts the overall infection fatality rate for all age groups at 0.32%
  • Modelers were also incorrect when they predicted that 70% to 80% would get infected before herd immunity would naturally allow the spread of infection to taper off. More than a dozen scientists now claim the herd immunity threshold is below 50%, perhaps even as low as 10%
  • Since lockdowns are a public health intervention aimed at saving lives, both the benefits and the costs of this strategy must be calculated and taken into account
  • The cost for lockdowns in Canada, in terms of Quality Adjusted Life Years and Wellbeing Years, is at least 10 times greater than the benefit. In Australia, the minimum cost is 6.6 times higher, and in the U.S., the cost is estimated to be at least 5.2 times higher than the benefit of lockdowns
  • Researchers have estimated that in order to “break even and make a radical containment and eradication policy worthwhile,” the infection fatality rate of SARS-CoV-2 would need to be 7.8%

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/25/public-health-officials-lying-about-lockdowns.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&sd=20210130&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210225&mid=DM804594&rid=1092459365

433793 Redundant Pilot, 13, #480 of 1647 🔗

As per my link to Joel Smalley below…he has worked out with his amazing data model that the first lockdown saved 3000 lives (those who would have died with COVID-19)

HOWEVER he then shows that since the beginning of April all the lockdowns, masks, denial of healthcare, people too scared or unable to go to doctors/hospitals etc has cost 1000 lives A WEEK. Also an additional 15000 died in care homes for the same reasons.

so to save 3000 lives, we lost nearly 20,000 lives just in Lockdown 1 alone.

433795 Victoria, 10, #481 of 1647 🔗

As testing and the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine are hailed as UK pandemic successes, why won’t Oxford University or the government disclose the “long list” of financial interests of a high profile researcher at the centre of both? @thackerpd investigates

https://twitter.com/bmj_latest/status/1364564535361814528

FYI, after I sent questions to Oxford and the government about John Bell, one government official labeled me and extremist.

Tracking down John Bell: how the case of the Oxford professor exposes a transparency crisis in government

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n490?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

433797 chaos, replying to chaos, 19, #482 of 1647 🔗

Just got a sinisster call from my GP surgery.

Asking if I wanted the vaccine.. and when I said no they said they would put ‘declined’ in my notes. It was sinister, intimidating.. coercive. And what will the punishment for ‘declined’ later be?

And then they came for the Unvaccinated but I was not Unvaccinated, I was now sterile – I had recieved the vaccine.

433804 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 5, #483 of 1647 🔗

Indeed sinister, intimidating.. coercive

Had the same when I declined the ’18 month baby checkup’ years ago…

433810 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Victoria, 10, #484 of 1647 🔗

I can access some of my notes online. It says ‘Declined Flu Vaccination’. I’ve been much healthier since. Doesn’t say that though.

433814 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to chaos, 17, #485 of 1647 🔗

Did you get ‘the silence’ when you said no thank you? I got a very uncomfortable silence when I said no; lasted a good 20-30 seconds. When she finally spoke again, there was an almost audible disbelief in her voice.

433822 ▶▶▶ John001, replying to Ceriain, 6, #486 of 1647 🔗

People who get that kind of service should change GP. There’s no obligation to be registered although if you have poor health it’s probably wise to be.

433856 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to John001, 14, #487 of 1647 🔗

it depends doesn’t it, on how much you still trust the NHS, the medical establishment? Are they really trying to help us, or are they trying to kill us? it’s getting to be a close call. I’m beginning to think I don’t want them involved in my illnesses or death. both are natural processes: I’ll deal with them myself thank you very much

433859 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ceriain, 20, #488 of 1647 🔗

Silence is a well-known sales tactic. Most people squirm with embarrassment. You just have to sit it out. I used to practise this with cold callers; it makes you more assertive when it really matters.

433923 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Portnadler, 15, #489 of 1647 🔗

And a great negotiating tactic in general. It’s amazing how many people will automatically negotiate away their own position if you just keep quiet. It’s saved me a lot of money whilst haggling.

434050 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 1, #490 of 1647 🔗

That’s interesting. Thanks, Portnadler and leggy for that. I’ll remember that next time someone tries to flog me something.

434052 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Portnadler, 3, #491 of 1647 🔗

Silence is also a police interview technique. They ask you an open question, you reply, they remain silent.
You feel obliged to expand on your reply since you are the innocent party and if you just make them understand !
This gives them plenty of leeway to pick up on inconsistencies.

434065 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 1, #492 of 1647 🔗

Name, rank, number, schtum!

434133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #493 of 1647 🔗

If one is in the services. Else, just schtum !

434041 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ceriain, 3, #494 of 1647 🔗

I probably couldnt have resisted saying a jokey comment like “Wonder if you were still there – with the silence? Guess you were wondering how to congratulate me for having such sound common sense LOL?”

433837 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to chaos, 7, #495 of 1647 🔗

Will those who opt for the experimental vaccine be recorded as declining natural immunity?

433862 ▶▶ Will, replying to chaos, 4, #496 of 1647 🔗

Exactly what they said to me.

434132 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, #497 of 1647 🔗

Asking if I wanted the vaccine…

“I’m sorry, I thought it was an experimental treatment rather than a vaccine ?”.

434182 ▶▶ stewart, replying to chaos, 1, #498 of 1647 🔗

I would have expected you to agree to a date and then not show up.

Much more subversive.

434868 ▶▶ optocarol, replying to chaos, #499 of 1647 🔗

So much depends on the tone of voice, which I obviously don’t know. I get asked by husband’s care facility every year about flu vaccination. When I decline I think they say they’ll note it, but I take it as just for the record and have never felt coerced.

433798 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #500 of 1647 🔗

Bill Gates saying there is Vaccine Safety Compromise

“If you have to wait 2 years for a side effect to show up, it will take 2 years, so of course there is a safety compromise when getting these out quickly “

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1364831047028981760

433808 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 12, #501 of 1647 🔗

Has this guy got clones of himself? He’s fucking everywhere!

433840 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Ceriain, 5, #502 of 1647 🔗

Didn’t you know Gods are omnipresent

433871 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ceriain, 5, #503 of 1647 🔗

I hope not. One smirking Gates is already one too many!

433968 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 1, #504 of 1647 🔗

He must have a busy diary phoning round the world networks.

434013 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 1, #505 of 1647 🔗

CGI or body doubles wearing a mask (I’m not joking)

434129 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, #506 of 1647 🔗

Yep, there’s at least 70 years of form of using doubles/trebles.

433916 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 3, #507 of 1647 🔗

A plane or helicopter crash would do wouldn’t it.

434340 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Two-Six, #508 of 1647 🔗

Anyone got a Stinger lying about?

434180 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, 5, #509 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps those who mock the idea of a conspiracy of the ultra rich to control world governments can explain why Bill Gates is on TV all the time promoting vaccines.

What official position does he hold?
Who appointed him to be a spokesperson for vaccines?
He is accountable to whom?
What precisely makes his opinions authoritative and worth listening to?

435107 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to stewart, #510 of 1647 🔗

He’s related to the Rockefellas.

433805 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #511 of 1647 🔗

You have to watch GoT twice. I’m on my second. It’s instead of having a life which is ‘Against The Guidance’. At least I know who’s who and what’s where this time around. Currently Theon Greyjoy is being tortured by Ramsay Bolton. Theon isn’t a loveable character but Ramsay has been reminding me of somebody. I now realise that my brain has coupled him with Boris and Wancock. The torture is the same. Pain, hopelessness, total removal of freedom and hope, followed by an engineered escape last summer only to find it was illusory and back into the dungeon with a smiling Hancock saying he’s sorry, but ….

Last night a couple of naked handmaidens took turns to sit on him in order to make chopping off his engorged cock easier.

I think we’re at that stage in the government lockdown.

433920 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #512 of 1647 🔗

Anyone else think the cult group The Sparrows in GOT are dead ringers for the masketeers?

434128 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to James Leary #KBF, #513 of 1647 🔗

Last night a couple of naked handmaidens took turns to sit on him in order to make chopping off his engorged cock easier.

I guess everyone finds relaxation in different things. 🙂

433807 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #514 of 1647 🔗

Schools told they cannot force pupils to wear masks

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1364829344779100162

Open Letter from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance re: Current Face Covering Mandates for Children and Adults

https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/602e6afd2d5e00dbe4cfd228_UKMFA_Open_Letter_Face_Mask_Mandates.pdf

434126 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 2, #515 of 1647 🔗

The UK Medical Freedom Alliance are top, top people. Their stuff is high quality, and they are very motivated.

Hurrah ! Hurrah ! Hurrah !

433809 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 7, #516 of 1647 🔗

And beyond….

433819 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to The Covid Kid, 2, #517 of 1647 🔗

Typo! Sorry chaps, it’s actually June 2, 12022 . 😉

434035 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to The Covid Kid, #518 of 1647 🔗

It’s for ever. That is the logic of the ‘roadmap’ as published.

433813 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #519 of 1647 🔗

It seems extraordinarily illiberal “

Just being a bit picky, Will.

.. but it’s doesn’t ‘ seem’ – it is extraordinary. But not ‘ illiberal’ – it’s criminally immoral.

No civilsed society or person would contemplate it. On this you align with Hitler, Goebbels and Mengele – or you don’t. There’s no halfway house for the timid or devious.

433831 ▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 3, #520 of 1647 🔗

Precisely. There are no nuances here.

That message needs to be rammed home, not least by this site.

433815 Albo1, replying to Albo1, 13, #521 of 1647 🔗

I have now received my second ban from Quora for asking questions about Rona. See what you think of this. Someone has clearly taken offence and reported it, resulting in my ban. I don’t see what is wrong with this question?

How profitable is Covid-19 compared to flu and colds?
This question should be phrased with neutral and sincere language
This question’s wording makes it seem like a joke, or intended rhetorically to make a statement, rather than looking for helpful answers. It should be rewritten to be a neutral, non-leading question. See Quora’s policies on questions .

433852 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Albo1, 6, #522 of 1647 🔗

Touched a nerve somewhere!

433866 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Albo1, 2, #523 of 1647 🔗

Over the target

433816 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #524 of 1647 🔗

YET AGAIN, a monthly review by the CPS has found that *every single* charge under the Coronavirus Act was unlawful.

This continues the abysmal record of 100% unlawful prosecutions – 246 so far – of innocent, healthy people under this draconian Act.

The Act must be repealed.

https://twitter.com/BigBrotherWatch/status/1364559890182733829

434171 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Victoria, #525 of 1647 🔗

Has anyone heard any government minister say that the legislation will be repealed in full? Nor have I.

Until the Corona Virus Act and all subsidiary legislation have been repealed anything the government says about anything is meaningless.

I would go further and say that even if the legislation is repealed I will never trust a government on any subject until constitutional changes have been made that would prevent any future government from locking down for any reason at all.

433817 Londo Mollari, 9, #526 of 1647 🔗

I just loved this introductory line. It gave me a hearty good laugh. Thank you for writing.

“Despite being a dyed-in-the-wool rabid lockdown sceptic and rebel I have a job in a Covid test centre.”

433821 Victoria, 5, #527 of 1647 🔗

Direct from The Lancet, trashing the PCR test as NOT the “gold standard” for public health testing for SARS-COV-2…

https://twitter.com/SharpieDj/status/1364473894778847235
.

Clarifying the evidence on SARS-CoV-2 antigen rapid tests in public health responses to COVID-19
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00425-6/fulltext

433824 RickH, replying to RickH, 18, #528 of 1647 🔗

Note what Vallance was saying a year ago :

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway. We want to suppress it so we don’t get the second peak, and so we allow enough of us who are going to get a mild illness to become immune to it, this is to help with the whole population response to this, which would protect everybody.”

When asked what percentage of the population needed to get infected to reach herd immunity (?) Vallance said:

“About 60 percent or so and we think this virus is going to come back year on year and becomes like a seasonal virus and communities will become immune to it. That’s going to become an important part of controlling this longer term.”

Greasy pole-climbers making money and dependent on patronage can turn on a sixpence.

It is wise not to take what they say as authoritative.

433829 ▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 8, #529 of 1647 🔗

It is wise not to take what they say as authoritative.

Understatement of the day. They are out-and-out liars.

433849 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to RickH, 6, #530 of 1647 🔗

We want to suppress it so we don’t get the second peak

Interesting that he should say that. Ferguson’s Report 9 (the one they based their strategy on) shows that the supression strategy they chose would produce exactly the kind of second wave we had.

Vallance KNEW that!

Almost as if it was planned.

433850 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ceriain, #531 of 1647 🔗

Have you a link for that?

433875 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Will, 4, #532 of 1647 🔗

And after taking 2 seconds to type “Imperial Report 9” into Google… 😉

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-03-16-COVID19-Report-9.pdf

The suppression strategy is discussed from page 10 onwards, with appropriate graphs.

433830 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 8, #533 of 1647 🔗

Nice and spicy ATL today. I expect you’ll get some heat for it.

433878 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mattghg, 5, #534 of 1647 🔗

I do get a bit fed up with “worth reading in full” – we never get “this summary is probably enough -the full article is tedious”.

433957 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to arfurmo, 4, #535 of 1647 🔗

I do get a bit fed up with “worth reading in full”

Me, too; especially when, a lot of the time, as you say, it’s NOT . 🙂

434167 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to arfurmo, 2, #536 of 1647 🔗

Jesus.. talk about high maintenance…

It’s free, it’s informative, the comments section is great.

Maybe we can forgive a repetitive phrase here and there.., no?

433834 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 17, #537 of 1647 🔗

Didn’t think it possible, but I actually believe Starmer is worse than Johnson

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1364668380284940291

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer tells the PM he should “have a word” with Tory MPs who he says are raising doubts about the statistics used to back up the government’s lockdown roadmap.

433838 ▶▶ iane, replying to Victoria, 4, #538 of 1647 🔗

Nah, just a bit of good cop/bad cop terror tactics! Peas in a pod.

433843 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Victoria, 11, #539 of 1647 🔗

Of course he is.

The fact that *most* of the left is pushing for more authoritarianism, more oppression, more public and private-sector intervention in people’s lives should be no surprise to anyone, but apparently it is.

Socialism envisages an optimum future, achievable through the innate natural goodness of people’s hearts, assisted by coercion where necessary. Which turns out to be pretty much everywhere.

433982 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #540 of 1647 🔗

It always makes me laugh when people go “how could Labour do this? They’re the part of the people and care for the workers, women, BAME, etc….”

If they look at Labour’s history they will be shocked to find out that the authoritarian streak was always there (pace the Webbs and the Fabian movement), they opposed women’s suffrage, women working and even barred women from joining trade unions and as for ethnic minorities? Well let’s just say that they were products of their time so their attitudes were no different to a great many other people then.

434150 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, #541 of 1647 🔗

Labour (and social democratic parties in general) tend to saw off the limb of the tree branch they are sitting on. Especially since 1991 they have tended to stress their pro-business credentials and if that means screwing their working class base, so be it. Then they wonder why their voting support has tended to decline. I think the Zero-Covid enthusiasm as the public starts to yearn for normality is another example of this.
A critique of the Communist Party of Great Britain in its later years by the writer John Callaghan stated that the CPGB’s commitment to freedom, despite “Eurocommunist” influence in the 1970s and 1980s, was as shallow as the Labour Party’s commitment to socialism. He might have added that the Labour Party was not much into freedom either.

433844 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Victoria, 15, #542 of 1647 🔗

He is a complete no hoper, beholden to both public unions and some sinister globalist operators. He is so bad, even after the economic devastation coming Johnson could beat him.

434074 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to nottingham69, #543 of 1647 🔗

All we have seen of him as an MP shows why he was such a dire DPP.

Falls in the category of someone who achieved positions of power far far above his abilities

434160 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Lindy, 2, #544 of 1647 🔗

The powers that be wanted a weakling who was not Corbyn and that is what they got. One of the few good items in the latest Private Eye has Starmer describing himself as “a wealthy centre-right lawyer who looks good in a suit and who has devoted himself to not being his predecessor and not saying anything of substance to anybody”. (page 28)

433853 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Victoria, 4, #545 of 1647 🔗

The very definition of ‘…all in it together…’.

433891 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 4, #546 of 1647 🔗

Shows he’s worried that the narrative is slipping

433935 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 9, #547 of 1647 🔗

Absolute bell end

433943 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Two-Six, 3, #548 of 1647 🔗

I’ll second that!

433836 mojo, replying to mojo, 35, #549 of 1647 🔗

We need to stop reporting the vaccine will open the door to freedom. This is just acknowledging that we will be controlled in the future. That we understand we are no longer a democracy.

the vaccine is not administered to protect us. It’s administered to control us. All the time Lockdownsceptics and many MPs praise a pathogen being injected in us, you are complying with a technocracy. It is shameful that our only outlets who can tell the truth ate too scared to.

433851 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to mojo, 10, #550 of 1647 🔗

Yep totally agree.

Pretending that the vaccine will set us free is not an argument against lockdown it is an argument for lockdown.

It is clear what they want to achieve with the vax passports.

433854 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to mojo, 8, #551 of 1647 🔗

So my question is: what if the vaccine hadn’t been invented, or wasn’t efficacious? What then? A permanent police state? You are right – the vaccine can never be the key to our freedom and no such condition should ever exist.

433865 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mojo, 6, #552 of 1647 🔗

Correction – it is administered for profit
If it doesn’t stop the coof – win
If it makes you sick – all the better
Lifelong patients w in-win

433841 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 36, #553 of 1647 🔗

Let’s see, I’m not ill and I’m not dead. No real reason to think I’m going to get ill or die anytime soon. I know – I’ll get injected with an untested medicine that will probably make me ill, and could kill me. Well, it helps others, innit?

433908 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #554 of 1647 🔗

I’ve not been i’ll or sick in the last 11 months. The cases and deaths are going down. Summer is coming up. Fuck it let’s get jabbed everyone else is doing it.

433918 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #555 of 1647 🔗

Yep, we have a long tradition in this country, of people doing and wearing really stupid things, simply because enough others are doing it. It’s called ‘fashion’.

433933 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #556 of 1647 🔗

You get a sticker and a nice frame to use on fb too!

435051 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Sam Vimes, #557 of 1647 🔗

Very funny indeed. Thankyou. And very insightful.

433845 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #558 of 1647 🔗

Pubs are our home away from home, the beating heart of villages and towns all across the country. And yet they are being slowly throttled by this government.

End lockdown now.

https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1364615897260961793

433925 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Victoria, 8, #559 of 1647 🔗

Unfortunately the current madness has allowed the puritanical prohibition lobby to have some influence. It’s big in Scotland and Wales and exists in England.

433990 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to eastender53, 1, #560 of 1647 🔗

Agree. I used to live in Scotland and was forever amused and appalled by the Scottish Government’s Wile E Coyote like attempts to regulate the sale of alcohol.

This crisis has been a godsend to that lot.

433847 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 11, #561 of 1647 🔗

Coronavirus: Public need ‘home truths’ on economy – Hammond.
Stating the bleeding obvious, I am sure there’s a factory somewhere turning out useless politicians on a production line…..

433857 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to cloud6, 4, #562 of 1647 🔗

“Home truths”

I’m pretty sure he doesn’t mean, “Look chaps, this is how bad things are. We all need to help the economy, for all our sakes.”

He means, “We’re in a fucking almighty mess and we need to double your taxes to pay for it!”

434055 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 2, #563 of 1647 🔗

Or: “my various business interests are starting to suffer …”

433848 leggy, replying to leggy, 18, #564 of 1647 🔗

For those of you on FB, I’d recommend this group – “Awakened Travel”:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/789004535035363

Plenty of people on their offering their normal holiday options, guest-houses, pubs, camp-sites etc.

433886 ▶▶ jennybean, replying to leggy, 5, #565 of 1647 🔗

Thanks just joined. Try and avoid Facebook now normally as it isn’t good for my blood pressure!

433888 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to jennybean, 1, #566 of 1647 🔗

Applied to join. We have a couple of holiday cottages booked already but if they get arsey about being spiked we will cancel.

433937 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to leggy, #567 of 1647 🔗

I’m not on Facebook. Can you say a bit more about this?

433947 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Portnadler, 10, #568 of 1647 🔗

Here’s an intro from the lady who started the group:

So to clarify: people in this group want to be able to travel freely and freedom to choose with out stuff on our faces things up our noses and and things in our arms( v@s) – if this is not you – sadly this is not a group for you and that’s ok we all should have the freedom to choose.

We want to create a positive space – so much of what’s going on is hard to deal with and in this space those things won’t be shared. Not because I don’t agree but because I can see that information in the other groups xx

This group is about fun excitement and things to look forward to

Essentially, it’s a vehicle for people to offer or find normal holiday accommodation. There are lovely looking places already advertised.

434047 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to leggy, 4, #570 of 1647 🔗

So a diverse group of Risk Positive people. Stunning and brave to borrow the meme.

Honestly though they should market it as that so they can shove it up the noses of the Wokerati

433959 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to leggy, 2, #571 of 1647 🔗

Thanks for the link. I’ve just applied to join.

434110 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to leggy, 1, #572 of 1647 🔗

Thank you. Just joined too.

434154 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to leggy, 1, #573 of 1647 🔗

Thanks for the heads up. What a welcome beam of hope. Hope it doesn’t get taken down.

433855 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 6, #574 of 1647 🔗

That picture of Kim Jong-Dan should come with a trigger warning.

433858 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Caramel, 4, #575 of 1647 🔗

Sorry, that was me who suggested that bit of doublethink to Will and Toby yesterday. I didn’t realise Will would put a picture of the scumbag, just the phrase.

434176 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caramel, 1, #576 of 1647 🔗

Or a sign that says “Warning: This guy is seriously hazardous to your health”

433872 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 17, #577 of 1647 🔗

One day people will look back in horror at the fact that in 2021 we made schoolchildren cover their faces all day. It will be a stain on our history. They will wonder why so many were complicit in this abuse. What will the teachers and parents who are enabling this say in their defence?

434196 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #578 of 1647 🔗

Or “Daddy, who was this false god Covid and why did everyone worship it?”

433874 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 28, #579 of 1647 🔗

Saw England doing well at the cricket so thought I’d watch. Sadly the TV was on BBC. There it was, a lady ‘expert’, asked why flu has ‘disappeared’. Her answer? ‘There are some who think that flu deaths have been mistakenly called Covid deaths. This is not true. We are washing our hands more and distancing. Plus we’ve had a very effective flu vaccination program!’ as these people idiots or just liars?

433879 ▶▶ leggy, replying to eastender53, 10, #580 of 1647 🔗

Bit of both I’d say.

433882 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to eastender53, 6, #581 of 1647 🔗

Delusional. It is a case of collective madness.

433941 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to eastender53, 5, #582 of 1647 🔗

Both.

…we’ve had a very effective flu vaccination program!

Flu supposedly disappeared before the last flu vax season. So to the expert, I’d say, “Nice try, no cigar!”

433945 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to eastender53, 1, #583 of 1647 🔗

Reminds me of Harley guy at 911. They are paid to set the narrative. The cricket is probably incidental to them.

433965 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to eastender53, 1, #584 of 1647 🔗

Flu has also ‘disappeared’ in Sweden and Belarus, but not in Cambodia, a country with only a few hundred ‘cases’ and no ‘covid deaths’

433992 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to rockoman, 1, #585 of 1647 🔗

True. Ivor Cummins has covered this in a past video.

He often refers to the classic The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza by Robert Edgar Hope-Simpson who states a stronger respiratory pathogen will take the place of a weaker one.

434037 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ceriain, 1, #586 of 1647 🔗

Yes, that seems to be strange but true. The new kid muscles out the old gang leader. There even seems to be uncertainty about how seasonal flu gets going again so quickly each season. Person to person transmission apparently not fast enough to explain it. Lots to learn, one silver lining of sorts at least.

434043 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ceriain, 1, #587 of 1647 🔗

I would agree if the flu was being measured properly. But we don’t have that.

434079 ▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Ceriain, #588 of 1647 🔗

Or you could say that the body finally deals with what it hadn’t done before. You get a lot more in repair bills if you don’t get your car serviced regularly. Yes, you have to replace the engine if you haven’t done the oil changes but the mechanic is no worse or more evil than before – he (or she) just has a bigger job to do. Thank goodness the mechanic (and the virus) is up to it. Of course, sometimes it’s terminal.

433967 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to eastender53, #589 of 1647 🔗

England doing well at the cricket

I’m assuming that’s sarcasm. 😉

For those interested: They’re currently 19-3, which still leaves them 14 runs short of the Indian’s first innning score with only 7 wickets left.

434057 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ceriain, 1, #590 of 1647 🔗

I didn’t realise England are in their 2nd innings!!!

Must be the crowd putting them off

434061 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to stefarm, #591 of 1647 🔗

Could be all those maskless faces. Now 60-5, a lead of 27.

434082 ▶▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to stefarm, #592 of 1647 🔗

It’s those damn awful straight balls that really confuddling them

433997 ▶▶ Stephensceptic, replying to eastender53, 5, #593 of 1647 🔗

Yep. There seems to be this theory that Covid spreads despite distancing and masks but flu viruses do not. The precise “science” for this odd asymmetry seems unclear given that no one has been able to observe a virus moving in the air. It seems like ex post rationalisation to me.

The more likely hypothesis is based on the work of Edgar Hope-Simpson, an English Doctor from the mid twentieth century who studied respiratory illnesses. Ivor Cummins quotes him and his book is fascinating.

His argument was that in each “season” there is a dominant virus that just out performs the others in evolution. It therefore spreads the most. The others die away. This season that dominant virus has been Covid 19 and its derivatives. The answer is therefore as simple as that.

Another argument that comes up based on all this is that the mutations of the virus are predictable and actually evolve separately in different places, without being spread by human contact. A further linked hypothesis is that the virus stays dormant in summer and is then reactivated in humans based on seasonal / climate factors that are not well understood. Hope-Simpson points to data showing outbreaks of the same flu variants in dispersed regions such as Cirencester and Prague (in the 1950s) at the same time that could not possibly be explained by travel.

None of this rich science seems to make it anywhere near the MSM. Hysteria rules. We are truly living in an age where science is regressing to the Dark Ages.

434090 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Stephensceptic, 1, #594 of 1647 🔗

A further linked hypothesis is that the virus stays dormant in summer and is then reactivated in humans based on seasonal / climate factors that are not well understood

Or you could say they they are well understood if one looks no further than the end of one’s nose. Cold seasons bring a response from the body – we all know that because we all experience it, from a runny nose in the fresh air in winter to the flu that brings us down (and builds us back up) on a dull day in November.

434124 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Stephensceptic, 3, #595 of 1647 🔗

I think there is a pestilence upon the land because we have not been sacrificing plump virgins to the volcano god (cont. page 94)

433877 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 9, #596 of 1647 🔗

Here in black & white… (emphasis in bold on both paragraphs is mine).

Guidance
Face coverings in education Updated 8 January 2021

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-in-education/face-coverings-in-education

On the basis of current evidence, in light of the mitigating measures education settings are taking, and the negative impact on communication, face coverings will not generally be necessary in the classroom even where social distancing is not possible. There is greater use of the system of controls for minimising risk, including through keeping in small and consistent groups or bubbles, and greater scope for physical distancing by staff within classrooms. Face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided.

and

It is reasonable to assume that staff and young people will now have access to face coverings due to their increasing use in wider society, and Public Health England has made available resources on how to make a simple face covering .
However, where anybody is struggling to access a face covering, or where they are unable to use their face covering due to having forgotten it or it having become soiled or unsafe, education settings should take steps to have a small contingency supply available to meet such needs.
No one should be excluded from education on the grounds that they are not wearing a face covering.

433895 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to SimonCook, 4, #597 of 1647 🔗

Thanks for the link, Simon.

Fortunately, Williamson has now stated in the HOC, and by an open letter to parents, that masks and tests, will NOT be mandatory (but recommended) in schools and colleges.

An open letter from Education Secretary Gavin Williamson to parents, carers and guardians – Education in the media

433880 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 7, #598 of 1647 🔗

I wonder if I could ask a question about ‘vaccine’ uptake.

I’m 68 so the jabathon has reached my age group. But in my family and circle of friends, everyone I can think of has either had the vax already or is about to take it. Even Mrs B, who is a sceptic, had the AZ one last week. She had a sore arms for a couple of days but that was all. I’ve been asked a few times if I’ve had the jab, but so far have answered ‘Not yet’.

How does this compare to others on here?

433881 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Biggles, 6, #599 of 1647 🔗

I’ve declined, but everyone else whom I know has had it.

434183 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, 2, #600 of 1647 🔗

Meant to add: I received an appointment letter together with official booklet but didn’t turn up.

Despite the opt out advice given in the booklet, no such option exists on the NHS Scotland website.

No contact from the jabberwockys since, which suits me.

433884 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Biggles, 17, #601 of 1647 🔗

My best friend text last night proudly stating her OH had his jab yesterday (he’s very late 50’s) and when is my OH having his. Other than it’s none of her bloody business, I’ve just managed to convince him not to have the jab. So I answered he hadn’t been asked yet. A lie as we’ve both now been asked and ignored the messages. He’s 61 and I’m just 50 (the just is important to me 🙂 ).

what makes it worse is my best friends OH is a scientist, a medical type one too. Idiot.

434070 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #602 of 1647 🔗

We need courage of our convictions – so as to dishearten the sheeple. We tell it like it is straight out straight away – otherwise they are there not realising how strong the opposition is and telling themselves everyone else are sheeple too. I’d have said “There is no WHEN about it. Neither of us will be having it – we’ve both decided against”. If she started arguing the toss I’d just say “I told you what we’ve decided. Decision made. Let’s move onto the next subject…..now about the lovely recipe I tried last night…”.

433885 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biggles, 26, #603 of 1647 🔗

Not had it! Never having it! I think people rushing to get it are idiots!

Personal choice, of course, but my personal opinion…

…I’m actually disappointed at seeing more and more “I’m taking the jab”, “I’m thinking of taking the jab”, or, “I’ve had the jab” conversations on here. There’s been a few in the last few days.

It’s as if people haven’t bothered to read any the information posted here about them.

433890 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Ceriain, 16, #604 of 1647 🔗

Just to confirm that I have no intention of having the vax. It’s just disappointing to see other family members and friends going along with it. The ‘Not yet’ reply was the quickest way to end the conversation!

433903 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Biggles, 4, #605 of 1647 🔗

My parents are now due to take it shortly. I’m very worried for them. Have absolutely no idea why they are doing it and I don’t think they know either tbh.

433914 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Biggles, 12, #606 of 1647 🔗

Sorry, Biggles, wasn’t having a go at you personally. Forgive me if it came across that way; totally unintended. I just get a bit carried away when vaccines are discussed.

MIL has had it, against the advice of the good Lady C and I; now she’s unwell. I didn’t hold back, “Serves you right!” I told her. Yes, I’m a heartless bastard.

It just gets my goat that so many on here (LS) have read about the vaccines, yet still think they should take it. I think Dodderydude covers it nicely in his reply below.

433904 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ceriain, 14, #607 of 1647 🔗

I have frequently asked myself why anybody who has read the negative info about the risks from the vaccines would even contemplate going ahead with it. Even if they do not understand the technicalities, do they not ask themselves about the plausibility of a so-called vaccine being developed ‘safely’ within months rather than the usual decade? Especially when all the readily available literature confirms that the vaccines are still at the early trial stages.

My conclusion is that their willingness to succumb, or even think about succumbing, can only be based on an innate and misguided belief that they will be immune (excuse the pun) from any disastrous side effects…those only happen to ‘other people’. Well I’ve got news for them…

433987 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #608 of 1647 🔗

Rationality dictates that one would wait for the human trials to finish first
Though I do understand those who need to see family abroad this is not guaranteed by the Covidian cult

434005 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #609 of 1647 🔗

misguided belief that they will be immune (excuse the pun) from any disastrous side effects…those only happen to ‘other people’.

Agree it could easily be that individual (me, you)

434007 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Dodderydude, 9, #610 of 1647 🔗

It seems most people’s rationale for having it is one of the following:

– To be allowed to travel
– To be able to see friends and family
– To end lockdown
– To go to a pub or restaurant

I tend not to see anyone claiming it benefits their health!

434031 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to leggy, 5, #611 of 1647 🔗

Yes, it’s the logic of the protection racket. You must comply and take the jab to protect you from…us and what we will do to you if you don’t.

There is obviously a lot of capital, perhaps financial as well as political, invested in this.

434053 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #612 of 1647 🔗

Problem is most will not have read any negative info or, even if they had, will write it off as a “conspiracy theory” written by “cranks”. As long as the government tells them it’s safe, it’s safe. They’re useful idiots.

434000 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ceriain, 8, #613 of 1647 🔗

Indeed better to wait until all the trials have been completed.

Once you had these mRNA vaccines there is no way back. It might be easy to give in now but extremely tough to manage the adverse health effects in future.

Be aware of a false sense of security that the adverse effects after the 1st jab was just a headache or soreness. Dr Vernon Coleman warned against the adverse affects after the 2nd jab.

434008 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Victoria, 9, #614 of 1647 🔗

Had a text from a friend yesterday who is going for his 1st jab today. I sent one back ‘You’ll be alright, it’s the 2nd one that gets you!’. I didn’t get a reply.

434111 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biggles, 2, #615 of 1647 🔗

Some folk have no sense of humour …

434117 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Biggles, 3, #616 of 1647 🔗

A friend of mine sheepishly informed me a couple of days ago that he had been jabbed (consistent with @leggy’s observations, it was in anticipation of needing it for his week’s holiday booked for May!). He had previously expressed genuine shock at links I had sent him about vaccine risks and the very limited risk of covid presenting problems in healthy people. So I am afraid, in frustration, I reminded him (as per info already sent to him) that the second jab will be higher risk and of course that he will probably have to spend the next ten years wondering if he may have seriously compromised his health. . Just to depress him further I added that it was unlikely he will be able to go on his holiday. 🙂

434096 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Ceriain, 2, #617 of 1647 🔗

I’m getting mildly irritated with my OH who is excitedly waiting to be offered the jab. He keeps sending me information about therapy/information groups where people who are unsure can be educated in the safety of such jabs.

I’m reasonably intelligent, educated and come from a scientific background – why can’t he let me get on with resisting this?!

433897 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biggles, 4, #618 of 1647 🔗

Not responded to their text invitation.

433900 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Biggles, 8, #619 of 1647 🔗

It hasn’t reached me yet (mid 30s with mild asthma), but I know more and more family who have had it, including my sister and aunt both in 40s (they are health care workers). In laws (60s)and my Granny (82). Cousin in 30s had it, also a HC worker. My friend, male in 30s had it as he is a carer for his Mum. So various people of all demographics.
My other cousin, in her early 30s, is a student nurse and is refusing to have any of them as she wants children and concerned about the fertility aspect.
My MIL pissed me off on Saturday instructing me to book myself in for it. I said I wanted to wait. The conversation then got slightly heated. No doubt thinks I am an anti vax conspiracy theorist. Not that I care. I am comfortable with telling people I prefer to wait until human trials end in Jan 23.

433924 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Biggles, 9, #620 of 1647 🔗

Half and half. My worst case scenario is that I will be the only one left but they will still visit me in prison! I certainly expect to make new friends – we’ll need them! – but I reckon it will all settle down once the roll out is over. No-one will really care.

433927 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Biggles, 6, #621 of 1647 🔗

Mr B and I, both in our seventies, were contacted by the local surgery and offered the jab two weeks ago. Clearly they had some doses left over. We politely declined and have not been contacted again.

433938 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Biggles, 5, #622 of 1647 🔗

Husband and I have not been contacted but maybe in our area they haven’t got to our age group yet. As far as I’m aware my GP doesn’t have my mobile number. I also recently returned a flu jab invite letter marked no longer at this address. I have no intention of having the vaccine and neither does my husband.

433949 ▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to Biggles, 2, #623 of 1647 🔗

No.Told GP surgery I will not have it.

433970 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Biggles, 7, #624 of 1647 🔗

I’m 73 and have a number of conditions that make me cautious about inviting any further complications that might further curtail my limited lifespan. I told the surgery that I declined, and experienced no pressure beyond the wasted central mail.

My underlying issue with the vaccines is the basic scientific one that they are all experimental and insufficiently tested. I apply the same criteria to any claims of a ‘miracle cure’ from any source.

Beyond that is the connected issue of good information such as can be available at this time.

Would I believe the government advertising campaign, given the deviousness and lying that they and their satraps like Whitty and Vallance have engaged in? Especially when the document proposing suspension of normal safety protocols for the vaccines has a blatant lie in the first paragraph. As to NHS information – why would I trust a body that has doggedly clung to the hyperbole of inaccurate PCR testing in the face of all honest analysis?

… and similarly, I apply my critical faculties to nominally ‘sceptical’ sources that have a contrary axe to grind.

Conclusion : It is very difficult to tease out genuine information even for the short-term effects and efficacy of these vaccines.

As to others – well, my OH had the jab yesterday – after much considered thought, as have others in the family who are pretty sceptical about the general situation (a majority have had moderate side effects – including my OH). They have felt that the balance of risk was a worthwhile gamble in their circumstances if it helped to curtail the nonsense and marginally (perhaps) damp infections. I have not tried to dissuade them – just give my reasoning. The only barney that I have had was with my son who tried to make me change my mind. He has now learned to back off 🙂

Friends and neighbours have mostly gone for the vaccine – with a good 50% experiencing some side effects of varying severity.

434036 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Biggles, 3, #625 of 1647 🔗

I think we underestimate (at our peril!) the effect of social pressure. We all want to belong, we all want to be seen as rational, we all want to be seen as doing the right thing. This is a pretty normal human response. Throw in the incessant and unquestioned propaganda (particularly when people are not even aware of the BBC news being restricted) and a bit of unreasoned fear and you have the perfect mix. If people do have doubts, these can be assuaged by people telling themselves “Well at least it means I can travel!”. Happy and relieved, they get on with their lives.

My goodness, it even makes me think about getting it! (not for long though, ha ha).

434045 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Biggles, 6, #626 of 1647 🔗

My family are all sceptics so no one is taking it. My work colleagues are a different matter. Each and every one of them (ages 30-late 40s) are enthusiastic and can’t wait for their “jab”. They blindly believe everything on the mainstream media and haven’t got a clue about the very valid concerns about these rushed vaccines. They even make witty remarks about how “Bill Gates will be pleased with them” (idiot strawman arguments). I really can’t be bothered with trying to educate them.

434046 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Biggles, 4, #627 of 1647 🔗

I’m 70, fit ad healthy, and have no intention of having it as I don’t consider it necessary, plus it’s an experimental medical procedure which has not even been licensed. Unfortunately, most people I know have, and keep asking me. A friend who is wised up told me that her neighbour is so anxious to get it, he spends the day hovering around the phone waiting for his call!

434058 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Melangell, 4, #628 of 1647 🔗

I’m 70, fit and healthy, and have no intention of having it as I don’t consider it necessary,

Exactly. Lots of people ask why one might not have it but few seem to ask why you would .

434064 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Biggles, 3, #629 of 1647 🔗

I got in first and told everyone months ago I won’t be having it. I’m not the sort to say things without meaning them…and they know it.

434077 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biggles, 1, #630 of 1647 🔗

How does this compare to others on here?

Told my GP a few years ago not to share my medical records with PHE, NHS central, or anyone else.

Have not heard a peep from anybody. 🙂

434165 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Biggles, 2, #631 of 1647 🔗

A large number of, slightly older than us, neighbours and relatives have now had the vaccine. A mixture of AZ and Pfizer. No adverse reactions reported other than a sore arm. I’m pleased that is the case as I don’t particularly want people I care about becoming ill. But it’s early days. I won’t have it for many months, probably not until it’s no longer experimental. Mr Steph has been texted twice now and deleted it. He has a minor chronic respiratory illness so is more at risk. He is determined to sit it out for quite some time.
As I’ve reported before, our elder son who is a frontline doctor has an appointment and will have it. I can’t persuade him otherwise and it’s his generation I fear for more than ours. He’s got a lot more living still to do than we have. NHS propaganda has captured him though and he’s convinced that 9 women CAN produce a baby in 1 month if they throw enough effort at it. Well it seems that way to me he really was much more inquiring before he went to one of the best universities in the world. I’m just keeping everything crossed that by and large the “vaccine” is safe.

434215 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Biggles, 2, #632 of 1647 🔗

Won’t be having it. Received an email from the GP I use normally (I am in Ireland so this is a private practice) asking me to update details so that I could be invited for a jab when it is my turn. I ignored it.

433883 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 21, #633 of 1647 🔗

‘There was no science’ behind COVID lockdowns
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6192742875001

American lawyer Michael Senger says the COVID-19 lockdowns “might not even be science at all” but are based on Xi Jinping’s philosophy which also inspired the re-education of Uighur Muslims in concentration camps.

Mr Senger said Xi Jinping’s philosophy was the same hybrid of health and security policy which inspired the re-education of millions of Uighur Muslims in concentration camps.

433892 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Basileus, 4, #634 of 1647 🔗

Outside Wuhan the lockdown lasted an average of two weeks in Chinese cities.

As for the concentration camps – just because its on the BBC and in The Guardian doesn’t make it true.

433896 ▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to rockoman, 3, #635 of 1647 🔗

Fortunately we have all the other evidence so we don’t need to rely on the bbc etc

433899 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to pvenkman, -1, #636 of 1647 🔗

What evidence is that and where does it come from?

433911 ▶▶▶▶▶ pvenkman, replying to rockoman, #637 of 1647 🔗

there is plenty evidence out their from multiple sources.

433921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to pvenkman, 2, #638 of 1647 🔗

Do those sources have an interest in pushing that narrative?

I’m not necessarily saying that the Ughur story isn’t true, but after the experiences of the past year it behoves us to consider who is telling us this stuff – and why?

433898 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to rockoman, 2, #639 of 1647 🔗

Hard to know what is true. I have seen satelite images though and videos (but again can you trust the source). My take is that I wouldn’t put it past the CCP.

433907 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #640 of 1647 🔗

I wouldn’t put it past them either.

I’m saying that we should be careful.

Just look at how many people have been propagandised with ‘covid’ in the past year, and then reflect that in many cases it’s the same interests pushing that Uighur narrative.

434068 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to rockoman, 1, #641 of 1647 🔗

Ffs. The CCP is a g o v e r n m e n t, rockoman.

They’re all lying self-serving control-oriented psychos.

433950 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #642 of 1647 🔗

I just can’t stand the hypocrisy of governments crying about human rights abuses carried out by the Chinese in their own country, whilst quite content to drop bombs on Muslims in other countries. Obviously the wrong kind of Muslims. 😡 😠 🤬

433978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jinks, 3, #643 of 1647 🔗

Exactly
Also isn’t it funny how the “left” dropped the old Tibet thing like a hot iron
Not a peep out of any of them anymore over their pet subject

433995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, #644 of 1647 🔗

Yawn. And your point is? So did the ‘right’, ‘centre’ and upstairs and downstairs – if you want to indulge in mickey mouse political jabbering.

434019 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to RickH, #645 of 1647 🔗

Nobody on the right gave a toss about Tibet don’t be silly
Neither did anyone centre/left
They are the same beast is the point.

434042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, #646 of 1647 🔗

My point exactly. Why come up with the mickey mouse term ‘the left’. What’s the relevance to the issue in hand, except to exercise your knee-joint?

434190 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #647 of 1647 🔗

Agent Cooper in Twin Peaks was deeply committed to the plight of the Tibetans.

434148 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to rockoman, 1, #648 of 1647 🔗

I have seen first hand the abuse and discrimination that people both in Xinjiang and Xizang receive from the central government and Han Chinese settlers.

It’s disgusting and nothing short of genocidal.

434394 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stewart, #649 of 1647 🔗

Just the sort of regime that western democracies ought to imitate, yeah.

433887 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 30, #650 of 1647 🔗

I think a large part of the support for the measures comes from miserable, cramped people, who have always found it hard to socially connect with others.

Lockdowns, distancing and masks mean that that they don’t have to bear the joie de vivre of others, thus making it somwhat easier for them to carry the burden of their own suffering.

433893 ▶▶ RickH, replying to rockoman, 16, #651 of 1647 🔗

I think you are onto something. We have a member of the wider family, living on their own, who has always had a dominant negative streak of depressive mood and difficulties with relationships. That person has been actually happier whilst everyone else has been locked into a depressive situation.

434060 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 2, #652 of 1647 🔗

Misery loves company,
Welcome to the home of the blues.

(No, not Goodison Park, but a song by Dwight Yoakam).

433894 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rockoman, 18, #653 of 1647 🔗

I posted earlier about how relaxed the major regional hospital was when I visited yesterday.
Could it be that it is the same hypochondriac schizos who clog up hospitals with imaginary ailments who are still hiding indoirs from the Covid and demanding everyone else do likewise ?

433915 ▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 17, #654 of 1647 🔗

I am generally unsociable, but still know lockdown is wrong overall. I do know a few people who arw enjoying this, especially the working from home. They are either also anti-social or snobby.

433929 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to jb12, 10, #655 of 1647 🔗

I think lots of us who are more or less at an advantage in the ‘new normal’ nevertheless bitterly oppose it. It’s because we have consciences.

434095 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to jb12, 8, #656 of 1647 🔗

They should be careful what they wish for. If their job can be done from home it can be done from Bangalore.

433931 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to rockoman, 6, #657 of 1647 🔗

From my social media feed, it’s actually been the social butterflies who have been all for lockdown.

433946 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Caramel, 3, #658 of 1647 🔗

But then you wouldn’t hear from the ‘miserables’ would you?

Being reserved, negative and uncomminicative as they are.

434033 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Caramel, 7, #659 of 1647 🔗

I’ve been wondering about this. I think a lot the pressure for locking down is social. Could it be that sociable people are more vulnerable or exposed to this pressure than more anti social folk?

434121 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Dan L, 2, #660 of 1647 🔗

I think more exposed to the pressure. A few are concerned about their older family members. If everyone they talk to is for lockdowns then there isn’t a reason why they should be too. They wouldn’t to associate with the sceptics who are going what the scientists and government are saying. The social butterflies are usually privileged. They might care about different causes but it doesn’t affect their lives. They’re often trusting and optimistic and optimistic people. And a lot assume that everyone else has the same kind of experience.

A lot of them don’t have the time (or inclination) to seek out the information the way that we do. Reading sites like LS takes time if you come across it. It’s easier to turn on the tv and listen.

434087 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Caramel, 10, #661 of 1647 🔗

I am not by any means a social butterfly, I quite like my own company and have a few select friends, quality rather then quantity, but just because I am not partying every night or being social all the time, it does not mean that right can be taken away from me. If I want to go out and have a coffee, have a party, travel somewhere or anything else then I want the right to choose to do it, not have a government tell me if I am allowed.

433989 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to rockoman, 13, #662 of 1647 🔗

This is very true. WFH is a huge elephant in the room issue which will not be resolved very easily and certainly not totally as the majority are quite prepared to bear lockdowns and restrictions as a trade off for not commuting and saving lots of money. Many do not want it to end; not because they are afraid of a virus (although they pretend it is) but they are enjoying their lockdown lifestyles. They certainly do not care a jot about the bigger economic and social picture as their ‘I’m all right, Jack’ attitude prevails. I personally know several people that firmly have this mindset.

434049 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 5, #663 of 1647 🔗

I don’t know about this. I am not the life and soul of the party, I just have a strong bullshit detector.

433902 Ceriain, 23, #664 of 1647 🔗

https://dfemedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/02/24/chief-medical-officer-if-you-keep-children-out-of-school-every-single-one-of-the-children-you-keep-out-of-school-is-disadvantaged/

Chief Medical Officer: “If you keep children out of school, every single one of the children you keep out of school is disadvantaged”
He’s got a fucking cheek. He previously recommended they be shut.

433919 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #665 of 1647 🔗

Vaccinating children to prevent long covid? More caution is needed in interpreting current epidemiological data
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n520.full?ijkey=E5zNGV0la3wzvYv&keytype=ref

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) prevalence of 12.9% (primary school age) and 15% (secondary school age) of long covid are widely quoted. So how much should parents and their children worry, and does this worry warrant vaccination?

433994 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Basileus, 2, #666 of 1647 🔗

It’s a good letter.

Extraordinary how they just assume any symptoms are long covid in children, without considering any comparator group of children who say haven’t tested positive for covid, or what the general prevalence of such symptoms are in the general child population.

434080 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #667 of 1647 🔗

I seriously think every illness will eventually be prefixed with the word covid.

433944 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 31, #668 of 1647 🔗

An update on the Reiner Fullermich legal actions.

https://principia-scientific.com/lawyers-promise-nurember-trials-against-all-behind-covid-scam/

According to Reiner Fuellmich, all the frauds committed by German companies are derisory compared to the damage that the Covid-19 crisis has caused and continues to cause. This Covid-19 crisis should be renamed the “Covid-19 Scandal” and all those responsible should be prosecuted for civil damages due to manipulations and falsified test protocols. Therefore, an international network of business lawyers will plead the biggest tort case of all time, the Covid-19 fraud scandal, which has meanwhile turned into the biggest crime against humanity ever committed.

433980 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 3, #669 of 1647 🔗

Thanks a must read

433955 davews, replying to davews, 21, #670 of 1647 🔗

Just back from blood tests at my local surgery, first time I have been through the door for a year. What a palaver. The front entrance is locked, you have to use the intercom by the front door then when they have checked their computer they allow you in. Had to succumb to wearing a mask, but admit didn’t mention exemptions. They have a temperature gauge on the wall that you put your forehead up to – the 32.6 it read was apparently healthy…. then the inevitable hand sanitiser.

There were just four chairs in the waiting room with all the others stacked up. I was the only patient there. Several staff, no sign of any doctors. Bloods taken, the nurse made a few comments about masks etc and I got the impression she realised it was all a nonsense. She had to open her window, that I had accidentally pushed shut while talking into the intercom on the back step! It seems when we had the snow last week it was pretty freezing.

What has this world come to?

433960 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to davews, 9, #671 of 1647 🔗

the 32.6 it read was apparently healthy

thought they were trained medics. They are taking the mickey – that is hypothermia – you should be hospitalised when so cold

433988 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Victoria, 4, #672 of 1647 🔗

She didn’t comment, or maybe I had misread it because my glasses were steamed up due to the mask. But it just goes to show how inaccurate these thermometer things are.

As an aside and relevant to vaccine passports, I noticed when looking on patientaccess this morning that the Covid jab I (reluctantly) had last week is now showing on my page. Our surgery normally doesn’t let you see most of your stuff, and they haven’t listed any of my flu jabs, but the Covid one sticks out like a sore thumb and presumably available to any future phone app.

434009 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 4, #673 of 1647 🔗

I suspect at 32.6 you’re already dead!

434385 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to leggy, #674 of 1647 🔗

Found this at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15877017/

Measured results from a couple of forehead IR thermometers. Mine was spot on!

434408 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to davews, #675 of 1647 🔗

Hmm. So which temperature threshold on that scale indicates you’re a virus shedding plague spreader?

433962 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to davews, 8, #676 of 1647 🔗

I’m certain that a large number of people felt it very rewarding to think up and implement these rules. It’s been a bit of excitement, a bit of drama, the chance to do something that was seen to be important.

434056 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to muzzle, 5, #677 of 1647 🔗

a.k.a. little Hitlers.

433956 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 9, #678 of 1647 🔗

What is going on in India ?
Saw images of the cricket stadium yesterday, masses of people in attendance and no masks !

433964 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to nickbowes, 18, #679 of 1647 🔗

I saw a clip the other day of Indian people gathering and throwing masks into a hole and burning them all then cheering.

433974 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nickbowes, 15, #680 of 1647 🔗

It must have been the ‘social distancing’

Indians were made to stand at least one inch apart for several months.

Of course, many Indians are so poor they can’t afford the luxury of believing bullshit.

433999 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 3, #681 of 1647 🔗

maybe pooing in the street wards of the Rona?

434200 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nickbowes, #682 of 1647 🔗

Yeah, they all died mate.

Maintain social distancing

434329 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to nickbowes, #683 of 1647 🔗

About the only thing dodgy in that place is the pitch.

433966 Mic67, 14, #684 of 1647 🔗

Morning all,

Pretty full on issue of LS today!

I enjoyed Charles Walker & David Blunkett on Unherd and continue to admire Freddie Sayers for asking the questions that have been absent from the last year’s ”journalism”.

What stayed with me was what Charles Walker said about gatherings. Seriously the biggest changes in society in our lifetimes and the only people who can gather to voice opinion/dissent are politicians?!

Very convenient that protest is illegal during the considered rollout of the ”passports”.

My blood pressure is through the roof this morning especially after my ex BiL commented on one of my Facebook posts (on festivals re-opening) about how he wouldn’t be ”rubbing shoulders with antivaxxers”. Fuming. :/

433971 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #685 of 1647 🔗

Bug-eyed Sridhar appears not to be in full alignment with others at Edinburgh University –

“Edinburgh Uni’s Prof Mark Woolhouse (Scot Gov adviser) tells Holyrood’s Covid committee: “Scotland was not close to elimination at any stage during this epidemic.”

Other experts (eg Prof Devi Sridhar) and Nicola Sturgeon have said that Scotland was close to elimination in summer

https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1364867750380920833?s=20

Musson’s thread continues –

Prof Woolhouse, chair of infectious disease epidemiology at Edinburgh University, says there were low numbers of “reported” cases during the summer in Scotland, but modelling using a method that has been “very well validated since” show elimination was not close

Prof Woolhouse: “We didn’t pay nearly enough attention to doing things beyond lockdown. The vulnerable in care homes, and the wider community. We simply didn’t do that enough, all we had was shielding which wasn’t a particularly effective policy according to most people


Makes you wonder just what bug-eyed sridhar has been up to all this time.

The thread gives some information about the fractures in the other sides team. This doesn’t appear to be a manipulation stunt to play good cop bad cop. It’s possible bug-eyed Sridhar’s star is on the wane.

434198 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 2, #686 of 1647 🔗

She’ll spend her days on the b celeb circuit after her jail sentence….its all she’ll be good for. Jungle, strictly, and the rest.

434288 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #687 of 1647 🔗

She is a qualified dietician so may not take kindly to eating bugs. Shame.

434018 ▶▶ leggy, replying to awildgoose, 7, #689 of 1647 🔗

That site is blocked in the UK. But I’m guessing it’s this lot?

434567 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to leggy, 1, #690 of 1647 🔗

Strange, transparent New Age green coffins.

433977 lorrinet, replying to lorrinet, 10, #691 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps if David Ike can inform us of which planet he believes the aliens came from we can then pack Whitty into a missile and send him in that general direction.

434017 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to lorrinet, 3, #692 of 1647 🔗

Unfortunately the Golgafrinchans sent us their Ark Fleet Ship B.

434322 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #693 of 1647 🔗

Sadly. not the best example, since the remainder of the Golgafrinchan population got wiped out by a virus, conttracted from an unsantized telephone.

434024 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to lorrinet, 2, #694 of 1647 🔗

Reptillians were clearly code for the <redacted>

434048 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #695 of 1647 🔗

Evidence ? Or are you just casting nasturtiums CD ?

434205 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnB, #696 of 1647 🔗

a quick search on anything other than google will produce results
A cunning deflection well played Mr Icke

434299 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #697 of 1647 🔗

I’m taking this to mean you have no evidence whatsoever. If you did have anything sound, you’d post it.

434069 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to lorrinet, 2, #698 of 1647 🔗

What? I am an ambassador for the aliens, and they don’t want his unscientific rubbish or the idiot who spews it forth, thanks very much.

433984 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 14, #699 of 1647 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XklNZ4mxTc
This is perhaps old news but there is probably more opposition to the BS than we realise, as this booing at the Australian Open suggests.

434051 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Waldorf, 23, #700 of 1647 🔗

Great to see.

Note the response of the Deputy Prime Minister: calls the boos “disgusting” and says “I don’t want booing at any event, certainly not at any sporting event.”

Leaving the specific question of the vaccine aside, isn’t it notable how sporting events are becoming routinely politicised? The most obvious current instance is “taking the knee” which remarkably still goes on, and there is the slightly more subtle message involved in sportspeople being obliged to wear masks in interviews. OK, there’s nothing completely new here – think Hitler and 1936, or the Cold War Olympic boycotts, not to mention the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony and its sickening NHS worship. But it’s becoming ever more pervasive.

Elite sport, like Hollywood, is part of the great empty spectacle of neo-liberal global capitalism: it’s a slick form of diverting entertainment that distracts us from our oppression and consoles us for our alienation; it’s a means of delivering advertising; and it’s (increasingly) a vehicle for overt propaganda.

I’d rather sit on a bench and watch my local football and cricket teams down the rec, although of course the law now prohibits both things (them playing and me sitting).

When ordinary people decide that they don’t like having propaganda rammed down their throats (Millwall fans booing the “taking of the knee” for example) the press and the politicians are united in condemnation – it’s racist, ignorant, disgusting.

Well fuck them. These bastards are the enemy. We should boo every word that comes out of their lying mouths.

433985 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 22, #701 of 1647 🔗

My parents under 65 are due to get the vaccine and there is no talking them round.

I was making real progress in the latter end of 2020 until the January 2021 fear porn. The media committed an all out assault on the British public in January 2021. This tied in perfectly with the vaccine rollout and cannot be a coincidence, it has also been highly effective. Previous to this my parents were determined they would wait it out before taking the vaccine.

I am absolutely disgusted, whilst they should have researched more, the media and the government have coerced them into taking a vaccine that I wholeheartedly believe they do not require.

433996 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #702 of 1647 🔗

Its sad, I know a lot of people now in 30s and 40s who have had it (some who said a few months back that they weren’t keen). These are healthy fit people, I just don’t get it.

434023 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #703 of 1647 🔗

I don’t get it either. I wouldn’t necessarily be all that oppossed if it was one vaccine, but you have to take it multiple times. I don’t get how people can’t see the issue with this.

434194 ▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #704 of 1647 🔗

Vaccines, as medical interventions in fit healthy people were always set higher safety standards. (In the past, not any longer)

  1. The person may never come into contact with the disease for which you are offering the vaccine.
  2. There is always a risk of harm from any medical intervention – after all, the agent must change the body in some way, and as individuals are different, what helps one, can possibly harm another
  3. the person is initially healthy. This is different from therapies for unhealthy sick people where the risk/benefit ratio is different.
434103 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #705 of 1647 🔗

They still think getting vaccinated will enable them to get back to normal.

434020 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #706 of 1647 🔗

So sorry to hear that, J. Have your Mum and Dad said what has made them change their mind?

434026 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Ceriain, 8, #707 of 1647 🔗

They are of the view that they are at greater risk of COVID (believe they are high risk) and seem to think it could kill them or leave them in need of care. I have been unable to reverse this opinion.

I cannot make any inroads with the fact the vaccine is experimental.

433986 danny, 11, #708 of 1647 🔗

Churchill part 2….

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have reopened or never fell into the grip of Covid terror in the first place, we shall not flag or fail.

We shall go on masking and locking down the end, we shall mask our children, we shall masks in shops and pubs, we shall label and ban the unvaccinated with growing confidence and growing strength in the streets, we shall cripple our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall close our hospitals, we shall let the elderly continue to die alone, we shall socially distance in the fields and in the streets, we shall hide in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were to wake up and resist, then we will find a new variant to carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good name, we have all forgotten what it ever was, to be free.

433991 peterthepainter, replying to peterthepainter, 30, #709 of 1647 🔗

We are both 74 and haven’t had the “vaccine”. We have had 2 phone calls from GP and two letters inviting us to have it. These communications were all about 3 weeks or so ago and I hope we get no more. GP seemed to accept our response and said to get in touch if we change our minds.

More annoying has been our eldest son. He asked a couple of weeks ago, on family WhatsApp group, if we had got our appointments. I replied no. He then said he was a bit worried that we hadn’t had our appointments. We didn’t respond.

A couple of days ago one DinL said she had an appointment and the other said she had also booked. Son asked whether we had our appointments and wife replied that we were waiting to see what happened. Son says he will get his as soon as he can. I hope he has got the message now.

Looking at what is happening with adverse reactions I am glad we have taken the decision we have.

434089 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to peterthepainter, 5, #710 of 1647 🔗

Looks like you are going to have to bite the bullet and tell him it straight – ie you are never having them. He’s had 3 goes at you and must be hoping to wear you down. Tell it like it is now and tell him to Stop Asking and then politely put the phone down.

434106 ▶▶ alw, replying to peterthepainter, 6, #711 of 1647 🔗

Similar from my family. Accept that one daughter in law is a frontline hospital doctor and wants to have. I have spoken to them about coercion and personal choice.

434142 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to peterthepainter, 1, #712 of 1647 🔗

If it were me I would just expressly say next time family rings and asks, that no I most definitely won’t be having and these are the reasons why. You are clearly well informed. Maybe you should copy and paste the Govt links to the adverse reactions, they may not open and read them as they run for many pages but at least they will see you are properly informed and hopefully leave the matter at that.

433998 awildgoose, 5, #713 of 1647 🔗

Halfway down this article it’s noted Twitter was found to have a 77B member in an executive position:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/twitter-says-it-purged-dozens-accounts-undermining-faith-nato

All just a big coincidence…

434004 Mosquito fb6, replying to Mosquito fb6, 11, #714 of 1647 🔗

Re the jab, being an ‘at risk’ person (whatever that means) I was expecting an invite which duly occurred by phone from my local surgery from one of the practice nurses. I asked the following:

A) can you supply me with the product data sheet (PDS) for this vaccine?. Long pause – no reply.

B) can you supply me with the material safety data sheet (MSDS) for this vaccine?. Long pause – no reply.

C) what drug interaction data do you have for this vaccine as I take heart medication?. Long pause – no reply.

Having worked in industry, these are all standard questions on any new substance to satisfy COSHH law so I asked ‘so you are inviting me to take this vaccine but can supply no legally required safety data, that’ not very good is it?’.

He replied ‘well, we don’t control any of that it’s all controlled by the Government. You are refusing the jab then?’.

I politely told where he could stick it (no pun intended!).

I actually did find an MSDS sheet for the Pfizer vaccine and under ‘Toxicalogical Affects’ it says ‘this product has not been thoroughly tested’ . Damning evidence from the manufacturer themselves!!

I think the moral of the story is clear!!.

434228 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mosquito fb6, 2, #715 of 1647 🔗

C) is a real scandal and neglect.
GPs should be ashamed of themselves.

434010 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 5, #716 of 1647 🔗

I rewatched The Frighteners, a horror comedy from 1997 or thereabouts.
FBI agent Dammers is interesting. In 1997 he seemed insane but nowadays he could be channeling Fauci or Whitty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUX6nkx8-5I

434075 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Waldorf, #717 of 1647 🔗

A very enjoyable film!

DavidC

434186 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DavidC, #718 of 1647 🔗

Dammers complaining about his “bubble” being violated – who knew the man was a prophet and a role model for us all?

434029 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 16, #719 of 1647 🔗

I feel sure I’ve seen this asked before but what happens after the jab invite text is ignored?

Is this logged and then followed up with more harassment and a call? (I was relentlessly pursued for a flu jab last year)

I find it ironic that this may be a task taken on by my GP surgery, who have practically ignored the health issues I DO HAVE during the last year, and made a number of errors.

434034 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mic67, 11, #720 of 1647 🔗

I think you can expect the same. Relentless texts, letters and calls. Strikes me as pretty desperate. Like you say though, trying to get an appointment for anything else is like the proverbial blood and stones. I had to threaten to call my GP on his mobile a few months ago to get seen about a hernia.

434134 ▶▶▶ FiatLux, replying to leggy, 3, #721 of 1647 🔗

As usual, money comes into it. This recent BMA thing (updated 16th February) says that the blood money rate is £12.58 per dose. If the patient (victim) doesn’t go for the second dose, presumably another £12.58, then the poor old practice gets paid only for the first.
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/vaccines/covid-19-vaccination-programme

434097 ▶▶ alw, replying to Mic67, 3, #722 of 1647 🔗

Click the link, which invites you to book appt and you will be given the option to decline.

434138 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to alw, 2, #723 of 1647 🔗

Hmm just tried, no option to decline, just a load of booking slots. Will just ignore for now! Just had a steroid jab too so I think that is on my side at the moment.

434038 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 38, #724 of 1647 🔗

Dipshit of the day award? On the way to work this morning I stopped to fill up the bike at a different petrol station that was cheaper than my usual. Pump jockey (we still have those over here) asks me to take off my full face helmet for security reasons……..and then mask up for health reasons 🙂

I suspect he still doesn’t understand why I left there laughing like an idiot and went to fill up at my usual place.

434062 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sampa, 21, #725 of 1647 🔗

I forgot about the dipshit of the day awards! Here’s one from a few days ago.
Coming home from a walk I wandered around our harbour. Surprisingly few people in the sunshine.
One man was wearing a mask – in the open air – and holding a tray of chips. He lowers the mask, shoves in a handful of chips, pulls the mask up and chomps the chips.
Actually that’s dipshit of the week isn’t it.

434072 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to bluemoon, 6, #726 of 1647 🔗

Dipshit or fuckwit?!

DavidC

434144 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to bluemoon, 2, #727 of 1647 🔗

Chipdip?

434044 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 14, #728 of 1647 🔗

I live with my Asian friends-6 children and 6 adults incl. me in three generations ranging from 28 months to 66. The two youngest adults had Covid with mild symptoms but the rest of us tested negative-my friend twice, because he was not well. It transpires that after a blood test he has had (long) Covid. His wife had TB in her youth (like many Asian elders) and also has high blood pressure. She and the younger lady who had Covid have had hair loss, which may be a symptom of Covid, especially among women. So it is likely my friend’s wife had and survived Covid. But for such a lady, who rules the household, lockdown is existing not living.

So the test can give false negatives. But also we will undoubtedly hear more about ‘racism’ leading to higher BME deaths. But the truth is that the Asian extended multi-generational families simply cannot live in the way the experts and the Govt. want-and they won’t. Without being reckless, many Asian families have broken ‘the rules.’ How can you feed a family of 12 easily? 80% of Bengali families see their grandparents daily compared to 7% English-a 10x difference. So it is unsurprising that although Bengalis are the youngest British Asian population they have a higher death rate. moreover, all the Asian religious communities are extremely social-weddings and funerals are huge events. A lot of food is exchanged or given away so people meet all the time.

Re the vaccine, I don’t exactly know why BME takeup is lower. Perhaps independence, stubbornness and a determination to make up their own mind. These used to be typical Britisg characteristics.

434071 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to frankfrankly, 13, #729 of 1647 🔗

SD has little to do with it in my opinion.

Sheldon Cohen, who is the preeminent researcher in the field, found that psychological stress and social isolation are the main factors weakening people and rendering them more liable to suffer from respiratory diseases.

The greater social contact in Asian families therefore strengthens their resistance to respiratory disease.

For darker-skinned people living in cloudy Britain:

Vitamin D, Vitamin D , Vitamin D

434130 ▶▶ stewart, replying to frankfrankly, 11, #730 of 1647 🔗

These used to be typical British characteristics.

I think we have had a rude awakening regarding this. After the drama of this past year, I now look back at British history with very different eyes.

I see a servile, compliant people, abused for generations by a ruling class that has run circles around them.

434184 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stewart, 2, #731 of 1647 🔗

Despite the lyrics of Rule Britannia Britons make rather good slaves. In fact some of the riotous episodes of the past were actually covert government action, like the assaults in Birmingham targeting enthusiasts for the French Revolution in 1791.

434197 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #732 of 1647 🔗

She and the younger lady who had Covid have had hair loss, which may be a symptom of Covid, especially among women.

Could be any number of reasons but …………..

ResearchTrusted Source

shows that a lack of vitamin D in your body can lead to hair loss. One role vitamin D plays is stimulating new and old hair follicles.

https://www.healthline.com/health/vitamin-d-deficiency-hair-loss#vitamin-d-and-hair-loss

434054 isobar, replying to isobar, 8, #733 of 1647 🔗

Being an American diplomat in China is obviously a bum job.
‘American diplomats in China complain they were forced to take anal swab tests for coronavirus’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9298587/China-denies-requiring-U-S-diplomats-anal-swab-tests.html

434059 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to isobar, 5, #734 of 1647 🔗

Diplomatic ‘immunity’ would seem to have its limits.

434085 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to isobar, 4, #735 of 1647 🔗

They do like to get to the bottom of things, don’t they?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55269969

434105 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #736 of 1647 🔗

Yes, very anal!

434392 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, #737 of 1647 🔗

Wankok’s next job: ambassador to China.

434066 DavidC, replying to DavidC, 18, #738 of 1647 🔗

Reagrding Will’s comment in the top section about vaccines being ‘a miracle of medical science’.

They have their place but the biggest changes in decreases in deaths from disease has NOT come about because of vaccines, rather from changes and improvements in Public Health (clean water etc). Yes, vaccines have a place but it’s by no means the whole story. I was surprised last year to read about the incidences of death by polio and other diseases before the advent of vaccines and they were surprisingly low (I can see if I can find the figures if anyone is interested).

DavidC

434094 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DavidC, 1, #739 of 1647 🔗

Polio also caused a great deal of disability. There were still people clanking around in chunky metal splints in my north Derbyshire town in the 60s, even worse for those stuck in bed with an ‘iron lung’.

434101 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to karenovirus, 2, #740 of 1647 🔗

For sure, I’m not denying that side of polio (ian Dury had it a a youngster) but it surprised my the number of deaths wasn’t high.

DavidC

434391 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DavidC, 2, #741 of 1647 🔗

Disability for life wasn’t all that much better. My husband’s auntie struggled through life on crutches, with her withered legs in iron supports. Nowadays they’d call it ‘long polio’.

434141 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to karenovirus, 4, #742 of 1647 🔗

I still remember putting a farthing in one of the glassfibre charity boxes in the shape of a young boy with a metal splint.

434157 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to karenovirus, 4, #743 of 1647 🔗

polio symptoms similar to arsenic and lead poisoning which are ties in with more canned foods been consumed and arsenic pesticides on crops

434227 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to rose, 2, #744 of 1647 🔗

Possible.
Like the Spanish flu really being caused by a vaccination programme in the US….

434187 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 1, #745 of 1647 🔗

Google vaccine entry points in history. Many were introduced at the tail end of the worst periods for the diseases they are designed to address.

Quite like now, they claim credit for either natural waning of the spread or else other public health interventions before them, like clean water

434313 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DavidC, 1, #746 of 1647 🔗

Great comment.

Yes many people think that polio was eradicated by the police vaccine – it was not.

BOMBSHELL: United Nations admits latest outbreak of polio in Syria was caused by polio vaccines
https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-08-30-bombshell-united-nations-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in-syria-was-caused-by-polio-vaccines.html

Was the cure for Polio buried to profit from dangerous Rockefeller vaccines?

During the late 1940s and the 1950s, outbreaks of polio surged throughout the United States. One specific incident in Reidsville, NC had somewhat startling conclusions. Dr. F. R. Klenner found that by frequently injecting massive amounts of ascorbic acid , aka Vitamin C, into patients who tested positive for polio over a 72 hour period, the infection was cured with zero paralysis. In the time since then, it has been proven that Vitamin C is not only helpful in curing polio, but it also appears to work wonders against other ailments as well.

It’s far less surprising to find that this remarkable scientific discovery was suppressed by the same people who would eventually fund the creators of polio vaccines. After Klenner’s news that he could cure polio through the simple use of Vitamin C was announced, Vitamin C was stonewalled by the health industry until the Sabin and Salk vaccines were produced. This effort was highly supported and financially backed by the Rockefellers.

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2016/09/polio-cure-rockefeller-vaccines.html

434067 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #747 of 1647 🔗

Any word on vegans refusing the vaccine?

434078 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #748 of 1647 🔗

Most people fail to investigate the drugs/vaccines they take so will unwittingly get themselves jabbed with non vegan ingredients

434083 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #749 of 1647 🔗

I’ll be interested to know. Someone I know is a vegan, I’ve had a couple of mails with her last week and get the impression that she might a sceptic but haven’t pursued it yet as she’s had several other stressful things going on.

DavidC

434188 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DavidC, 1, #750 of 1647 🔗

Walked past a couple yesterday, he with long dreads, she looking hippyish. Both masked. Did I mention it was on the street?

434252 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to DavidC, #751 of 1647 🔗

All vaccine ingredients can be found on ‘vaccinate your family’ website – interesting what they say about cloned cells from an aborted foetus – but also eggs are used in many vaccines.

434088 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #752 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps in the case of many people veganism indicates greater susceptibility to politically correct memes, and is therefore correlated with vaccine acceptance?

434326 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to rockoman, 1, #753 of 1647 🔗

Spot on – and I say that as someone who is vegetarian, but became so back in the early nineties when it was practically seen as a sectionable offence.

434098 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #754 of 1647 🔗

Muzzies round be me certainly don’t want it
Good stuff

434102 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #755 of 1647 🔗

Not specifically but Huff Post reported on a survey that aligned vaccine attitudes to political parties. SNP voters were 100% for take-up, three main parties between 90-94%. Brexit types were the lowest at 53%, but second lowest were Green voters at 77%. I can see a powerful new political alliance of Brexit types, Muslims and Greenies, who’d have thunk it?

434104 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #756 of 1647 🔗

Green reluctance probably aligns with their views on GM crops etc.

434119 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #757 of 1647 🔗

and that science can’t solve everything and we have to live with nature etc

and locking down and waiting for some scientists to come over the hill like the cavalry is not how they see the world working – some of it quite reasonable!

434321 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #758 of 1647 🔗

Most will be so petrified by the terror campaign that they will temporarily forget their principles, I fear.

Just like the greenies temporarily forget about single use plastics when they toss their filthy face rags into the bushes.

434081 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 7, #759 of 1647 🔗

Very good comments ATL by Lynn, Dingwall and Bradshaw.
It should now become ever clearer to everyone that the whole point of all this is actually the permanent, wholesale destruction of some whole sectors and the shift of their employment and profits to others, in conjunction with the establishment of a top-down control and sanctioning mechanism via the vaccine passports as an interim step- in Berlin, an initiative was founded last week that advocates prohibiting using a car more than once a month.
I think Mr. Lynn is deluding himself though when arguing for that sensible change in strategy.
It’s not going to happen.
Because they know all this, they know about the futility and problems of masks, lockdowns and tests, but are intent upon sticking with them regardless, or even because of them.
The money wasted on the flawed, useless and denigrating testing alone, same as for the whole NHS, is the best example for the shift, agenda and craziness of all this.
Barring masses of sudden uncoverupable experimental gene therapy deaths, which I don’t expect, their deliberate built-in damage will happen years later, this can and will only end once the MMT money has run out, likely after a few years of muddling resulting in either a hyperinflationary period if central banks don’t rise rates massively, followed by currency resets and accompanied by a depression, or an asset-deflationary Ultra-Great Depression, if they raise rates massively (far more unlikely in light of the huge indebtedness of all sectors and the direct consequences on the wealthy then).
Sadly for us liberty loving midlifers/elders, until then and even through the rebuilt, liberties will remain very curtailed and community belonging will rule, similar to 1930s until mid 1960s (see The4th Turning, which forecasted the current seismic events and shifts 25 years ago).

434092 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to JayBee, 3, #760 of 1647 🔗

Lynn has changed his tune, a few weeks ago he was arguing that businesses should make it mandatory for staff!!

434091 Aslangeo, 23, #761 of 1647 🔗

This quote from Don Boudreaux kind of sums things up for me

– “What’s so special about this communicable and dangerous disease that causes humanity to treat it as differing categorically from the countless other communicable and dangerous diseases that we regard with utter blasé-ness?”

  • the world has collectively gone mad – try to stay sane
434100 isobar, replying to isobar, 13, #762 of 1647 🔗

Sadly I’m sure that this is not the first case and won’t be the last – lockdowns kill.
‘Woman killed herself after mental health worsened in lockdown, inquest hears’
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/25/woman-killed-herself-after-mental-health-worsened-in-lockdown-inquest-hears

434107 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to isobar, 9, #763 of 1647 🔗

The young chef of a restaurant in my home town commited suicide a couple of weeks ago, his Mother said he couldn’t take any more of lockdown.

434120 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #764 of 1647 🔗

Sorry to hear that

434195 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to isobar, 3, #765 of 1647 🔗

Nobody has ever died of lockdowns ever
Dan Hodges said so

434317 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to isobar, 4, #766 of 1647 🔗

But but but, some science chap said that not even one single suicide has been caused by lockdown, didn’t he?

Ah, I see, it was the pandemic that caused her mental health issues wasn’t it, not the lockdown.

434109 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 16, #767 of 1647 🔗

I think on masks and tests for children they tried to pull a Juncker and were then a bit surprised by the immediate and vehement backlash- even the teachers unions and the Guardian seem to refrain from touching it now.
Common law and being really ruled by various kinds of aristocrats, who want to be able to escape the rules they make for the commoners seems to be the big advantage the UK has over most other nations in such instances, as the original, legally lax by Euro/RoW standards, face mask policy and enforcement already demonstrated (which makes the British public seem to be an even more obedient lot than other people, but also lends the opposition against masks for children more credence, power and hopefully stamina).
What I don’t understand then though is how the law on the even more intrusive ‘vaccines’ can be contemplated to be bent as much.
Maybe it is just aggressive posturing and nudging and/as they are fully aware that they can’t really pull it off to make vaccinating mandatory and then discrimate the unvaxxed, either outright or by stealth/businesses like my ex plumber?
Here’s but hope.

434123 ▶▶ stewart, replying to JayBee, 5, #768 of 1647 🔗

I would argue the reverse. The lack of an explicit constitution means that parliament can literally decide anything it wants.

In European countries with constitutions government are actually far more constrained by rights that are much harder to suspend.

434131 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 8, #769 of 1647 🔗

I agree. One thing this shit-show has done is to blow to smithereens the mythology of British character and British institutions. The ‘Mother of Parliaments’ has been shown to be less substantial than a cardboard cutout, and constitutional protections non-existent.

There have been no court decisions here to parallel those in Portugal and Germany. The usual blaming of the judiciary is a common response – but the rot is actually at the core of the non-constitution.

434210 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, 3, #770 of 1647 🔗

The German parliament dutifully passed a new Ermaechtigungsgesetz, it is currently in the process of extending its validity BEFORE being able to look at the evidence again, a novum.
Even before that law, compliance and execution was 99%.
And most courts decided in favour of the executive, citizens rights were and are rarely upheld by them and the judges who did so were and are vilified.
On the ground, life was and is much easier for a rebel in the UK than in the EU countries.

434381 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stewart, 3, #771 of 1647 🔗

Ha very ha. Throughout thr Franco era, Spain had a written constitution guaranteeing democratic freedoms.

434112 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 15, #772 of 1647 🔗

The coincidences continue to mount up!
The Ambrose-Evans Pritchard DT article linked ATL shows that Seychelles has the world’s second highest uptake of the vaccine (after Israel).
Attached (if I can get the tech to work) are the all-time Covid deaths (nil until vaccination started in Jan 2021) and the increase in deaths with the acceleration of the vaccine programme. Clearly the deaths will have nothing to do with the vaccination program and it’s yet another unpleasant coincidence.

434152 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #773 of 1647 🔗

Dodgey sea-food?

434115 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #774 of 1647 🔗

Mirror: Scabies and head lice drug could be ‘global solution to the pandemic’ says study

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/scabies-head-lice-drug-could-23561927#comments-section

More than 30 trials across the world show that ivermectin causes ‘repeated, consistent, large magnitude improvements in clinical outcomes’ in treating the disease, according to a new study.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.643369/abstract

434118 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basileus, 9, #775 of 1647 🔗

How many months now have we been talking about this?

434151 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 4, #776 of 1647 🔗

I reckon the majority of brainwashed normies are about 9 months BEHIND us in what they know about the covids.

434284 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Two-Six, 4, #777 of 1647 🔗

I’ve been saying this, too. We got to end of season 10 last week. We are now in the spin off series. A comedy in which everyone laughs at every ludicrous attempt at a gaslighting psy op. Many have just started season 3. Sadly some haven’t even found the title of the show yet.

434178 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 2, #778 of 1647 🔗

They won’t stop trying to derail it. Make no mistake.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.18.21252037v1

This came out this week.

434230 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Basileus, 2, #779 of 1647 🔗

Yet the UK want more studies on a drug that’s been around for 40 years but were happy to use an experimental gene therapy that’s still in p3 studies.

Oxford doing the studies, I’ll tell you their results now, “Ivermectin should be considered a class A drug and be banned in the UK. It will kill you. “

434311 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basileus, 1, #780 of 1647 🔗

Is this a joke? Will Hancock appear before us teary-eyed as he announces the miracle cure as if he himself toiled for months in his laboratory to discover it?

434379 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 1, #781 of 1647 🔗

If this drug kills Wankoks, which it certainly ought to, that would really move things on.

434122 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 11, #782 of 1647 🔗

The ONS monthly mortality analysis is out today

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/monthlymortalityanalysisjanuary2021

From this and the new January 2021 data, I’ve plotted the age standardised mortality (ASM) in England over the past 20 years on the attached chart.

The Age Standardised Mortality is all cause mortality adjusted for the population size and the age structure of the population, so enables a fairer comparison with previous years.

The 2020/2021 Winter peak last month in January is well below the Spring 2020 spike, a bit higher than the 2017/2018 Winter peak, but well below the 2001/2002 Winter peak. The NHS struggled in January 2002 but did we lockdown then?

434137 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #783 of 1647 🔗

Age ‘standardization’ introduces another dubious variable into the comparative assessment. Like ‘excess deaths’, it depends upon methodology with underlying assumptions..

I reckon simple population standardization is a more reliable and transparent method.

434161 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to RickH, 3, #784 of 1647 🔗

Age Standardised Mortality is a widely accepted measure, that’s why it’s used.

It’s not remotely dubious. In a population where the average age goes up over time, you expect more people per 10,000 population to die each year, even if mortality has improved slightly at every age.

434202 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #785 of 1647 🔗

Age Standardised Mortality is a widely accepted measure”

So is mask wearing, lockdowns, PCR tests – and the use of 3-5 year average baselines for ‘excess deaths’.

In a population where the average age goes up over time, you expect …

‘Expect’ : i.e a bland assumption. It’s another modellers’ variable, like ‘R’ (and the methodology does vary) with a superficial rationale.

I prefer, for fairly obvious reasons, to cut through such and take the incontrovertible figures of the mortality ratio. Some of the most egregious distortions about mortality that I’ve seen have used alleged ‘age standardisation’ to achieve those distortions.

KISS principle.

434181 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to RickH, 1, #786 of 1647 🔗

Age Standardisation means you can validly compare regions with different age profiles.

Since the UK has an aging population ASM should favour 2020/21 compared to previous years.

434222 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, #787 of 1647 🔗

Yes I agree.

‘Favour’ in the sense that it removes the affect of the Winter 2021 appearing harsher than it really is, judged against what is arguably a better measure of harshness, its mortality impact at each age.

434220 ▶▶ pvenkman, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #788 of 1647 🔗

We had roughly 80000 extra hospital beds than we do today in 2002

434309 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to pvenkman, 1, #789 of 1647 🔗

Certainly plenty of questions to be asked about hospital bed capacity, and why the NHS planners didn’t prepare during the Summer for a Winter resurgence, albeit one that should have been manageable.

434125 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 42, #790 of 1647 🔗

A person from my old mother’s surgery is coming round today to try to convince her to take the vaccine, I’m ready and waiting to tear the fucker apart.

434135 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 10, #791 of 1647 🔗

will you wear the gas mask? Please say the vaccination has been killing pets 🙂

434156 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 13, #792 of 1647 🔗

No gas mask Steve,all the facts pure and simple no mercy the fucker will never come back..

434159 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #793 of 1647 🔗

please report back whatever happens!

434166 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to steve_w, 7, #794 of 1647 🔗

You bet..

434279 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #795 of 1647 🔗

video it

434136 ▶▶ rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #796 of 1647 🔗

They did that to my MIL after she said she didn’t feel well enough and tried to cancel appointment. They came anyway and jabbed her. I wasn’t there to save her.

434277 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to rose, 9, #797 of 1647 🔗

In what FUCKED UP world can medical staff come to a person’s HOUSE to jab them. AND… when, for the past 11 months you could not get an in-person appointment at any GP surgery in the country. NHS – National Hoax Society
Fucking hell!

434417 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #798 of 1647 🔗

Exactly don’t forget she’s already refused three or four time’s, there coming just for a chat we’ll see about that..

434140 ▶▶ rose, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #799 of 1647 🔗

Had you better get the brothers round as well?!

434162 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to rose, 6, #800 of 1647 🔗

Not this time this is all my pleasure..

434147 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 23, #801 of 1647 🔗

Isn’t it a miracle that the NHS have staff to do home “coercion” visits but can’t be bothered when you’re sick.

434163 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Lindy, 7, #802 of 1647 🔗

Exactly I will be pointing that out to the Wanker..

434173 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lindy, 1, #803 of 1647 🔗

Some egotistical maniac no doubt.

434902 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Lindy, #804 of 1647 🔗

A friend of mine ( I couldn’t get to her in time to dissuade her) told them she couldn’t drive there because her eyes were not good so they sent a taxi.

434170 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #805 of 1647 🔗

You are a good son.

434172 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bruce Reynolds, -4, #806 of 1647 🔗

I’m ready and waiting to tear the fucker apart”

Is this actually very useful – or just pointless? I can’t see much being achieved by being written off as ‘a bit of a nutter.’ Which is what will probably happen.

It might be better to calmly sow seeds of doubt. There’s enough material and questions to be asked.

434214 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to RickH, 11, #807 of 1647 🔗

I was written off as a bit of a nutter from around the age of five it’s something you learn to live with…

434224 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #808 of 1647 🔗

I think it’ll be much more fun to pretend you are totally on their side and waste their time without ever agreeing to anything.

Say yes to everything short of committing to a time and place. Constantly change the subject.

434213 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #809 of 1647 🔗

Tell her she’s had it already.
When they ask by who, where, just offer semi coherent answers.
If they ask to see the vaccine card, spend ages looking for it and mumbling… “where did I put it…” Offer the tea and biscuits. Start talking about unrelated random shit.

Basically, waste their time and exasperate them.

434308 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #810 of 1647 🔗

Extraordinary the amount of effort they are putting into this jab. Imagine if they’d put this much effort into looking after elderly and sick people pre-2020?

434380 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #811 of 1647 🔗

tear the wheels off also?! 🙂
but yes it’s amazing the level of psychological persuasion is being forced on people – makes me very suspicious.

434814 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #812 of 1647 🔗

Make sure you’re there. My Mum’s surgery did the same thing after she refused the vaccine. I couldn’t be there as I live too far away and they coerced her into it.

434139 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 12, #813 of 1647 🔗

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

  • Paul Joseph Goebbels: German Nazi politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.
434146 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 7, #814 of 1647 🔗

I’m sure it’s been mentioned before, but lockdown restrictions were first enforced on 2 3 /0 3 /2020. The Nazi enabling act was written into law on 2 3 /0 3 /19 33 . Funny that.

434174 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to GuyRich, 3, #815 of 1647 🔗

Probably a coincidence – our masters are not known for their historical knowledge.

434207 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Waldorf, 1, #816 of 1647 🔗

Unless it goes all the way back to classical Greece.

434353 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to stewart, 1, #817 of 1647 🔗

They should be familiar with Moloch and Baal Hammon in that case and that sacrificing children didn’t work out well.

434375 ▶▶ Annie, replying to GuyRich, 1, #818 of 1647 🔗

And look what happened to Goebbels.

434143 duncanpt, replying to duncanpt, 13, #819 of 1647 🔗

Vaccine passports – Are they pointless at present? Or just a Trojan Horse?
As far as I know, the official Government line at present is that the vaccines don’t stop you being a possible carrier or transmitter of Covid. That I think is part of their attempt to justify keeping the UK locked down despite leading the world in jabs.

If that’s the case, then how is a passport confirming you’ve had the jab any use in controlling the disease for others? What it says is that you won’t get ill; it says nothing about whether you can bring something nasty into a venue, job, or country.

There is therefore a logical inconsistency here, regardless of the valid ethical grounds for holding out against vaccine passports.

If the passport idea goes much further, I hope someone will call the Government out on this inconsistency.

On the other hand, it could all be a Trojan Horse to get compulsory digital id cards through the back door.

434153 ▶▶ RickH, replying to duncanpt, 5, #820 of 1647 🔗

There is therefore a logical inconsistency here”

Now … when could the government and its bought slaves ever be accused of logical consistency (except in consistently lying)?

434158 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to duncanpt, 5, #821 of 1647 🔗

The logical incoherence is blatant.

The vaccine is not even claimed to stop you getting ill, by the way. It is supposed only to reduce the severity of symptoms for those whose symptoms would have been fairly mild anyway. It is wholly unclear why it could be a benefit to anyone else to know whether you had received such a treatment or not.

434168 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to duncanpt, 12, #822 of 1647 🔗

Digital ID cards absolutely is part of the plan. They’ve consultation documents out on them. Its not hidden. Blair pushes them every other day.

Ultimately they are not looking at the here and now. They are planning ahead to the next pandemic, climate change measures etc. When they already have you tracked by law and can dictate when you can leave your home, or go shopping. Alloted times slots by postcode.

Why do they need EVERYONE vaccinated? If it was about defeating this virus, endemic equilibrium just puts it into the box of other viruses after a certain number of the vulnerable have the option and take it up. It’s not of course. They expect that everyone who takes the vaccine will be more convinced of the passport. And it’s game time.

434179 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to duncanpt, 12, #823 of 1647 🔗

Agreed. This point needs to be rammed home. In the minds of most people, vaccine = total immunity. So why shouldn’t you take the vaccine to make yourself and everyone else “safe”? So why shouldn’t we have a passport in order to separate the infectious from the pure?

But it’s clearly not about the vaccine or Covid. It’s about normalizing the idea that participating in ordinary everyday life is not a basic inalienable freedom, but a privilege that is contingent on good behaviour, as defined by the state. Today it’s the vaccine. Tomorrow – who knows? This is why it must absolutely be resisted as a matter of principle.

434201 ▶▶ stewart, replying to duncanpt, 2, #824 of 1647 🔗

We can put it on the list of inconsistencies by the government. Together with the hundreds of other inconsistencies.

434221 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to duncanpt, 7, #825 of 1647 🔗

As I have said many times, in 2017/2018 the EU started the push to vaccine passports to be implemented in 2021/2022, I do not think that has changed. The deadly virus has certainly not hindered their implementation!

We were still in the EU then so presume someone agreed with it. Were there discussions with the EU during the brexit negotiations about vaccine passports? Maybe, we will never know and will never know if we agreed to implement them.

Moving on Bliar yes is trying to push his agenda still thinking he is in control of the UK.

In my opinion, vaccine passports only work if the majority of the worlds countries implement them and agree which vaccines are acceptable along with how long each vaccine remains “in force”. I just cannot see this happening.

Moving on to the UK, the governing via fb likes still continues, currently they think there is a call from the public for these passports, just like they stated there was a call for lockdowns and for masks.

If the UK government try to implement passports, passes, ID cards or whatever they will be surprised at not only the pushback from the country but also the legal situation which will tie the courts and government up for years. No government is going to overturn Nuremberg, which is currently being conveniently forgotten.

Finally, the statement about masks/tests in schools is interesting for me, this is the first time there has been a large negative reaction to a government diktat. The reaction has been across the board not just one group (such as a small amount of parents), this will have shocked the government I am sure. What it shows is they are not getting all their own way. It will not stop them trying to push things through in fact they may ramp up things knowing there could be further negative reactions, so they must make hay when they can.

I am once again in an optimistic mood about this today, another day I may be more scared about vaccine passports but it is quite clear people are not taking the “vaccines” at the level the government expected. I believe this is likely to continue. I eventually think there will be an annoucement saying only 1 dose is needed as a last ditch attempt to get people to take the current stock they have. All my musings of course and could be total bulls***!

434242 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, -4, #826 of 1647 🔗

I am once again in an optimistic mood about this today …”

Indeed you are :-). Almost hysterically so.

434258 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 4, #827 of 1647 🔗

Is optimism bad?

434285 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #828 of 1647 🔗

I’ve having a pessimistic day, so need the optimistic posts today to turn me round!

434590 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #829 of 1647 🔗

Bit late replying but sorry you having a bad day, hopefully tomorrow better for you, plus I hope my optimism remains.

434145 alw, replying to alw, 17, #830 of 1647 🔗

DT continues to spread spurious information with headline. “Coronavirus latest news: Police hand out almost 70,000 fines for Covid breaches”
The real news is,“a monthly review by the CPS has found that *every single* charge under the Coronavirus Act was unlawful.
This continues the abysmal record of 100% unlawful prosecutions – 246 so far – of innocent, healthy people under this draconian Act.”

434155 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 1, #831 of 1647 🔗

Another case in Wales said that people didn’t even have to give their details in such circumstances

434266 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #832 of 1647 🔗

Correct, and since it was a High Court decision on appeal of conviction, it has precedent in law, unlike Magistrates decisions.

https://www.bindmans.com/news/neale-v-dpp-the-right-to-silence-citizens-duties-and-coronavirus-regulations

https://www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/news/administrative-court-overturn-conviction-for-refusing-to-provide-name-and-address-in-relation-to-suspected-breach-of-coronavirus-regulations

Not yet listed on Bailii, which is where the official determination is posted.

434250 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to alw, #833 of 1647 🔗

Do you have a link?

434169 Paul, replying to Paul, 13, #834 of 1647 🔗

I’ve seen my first real life genuine double-masker this morning out on the street.
He had the usual up to the eyeballs black muzzle that is so favoured by the covidists and it was topped by a white surgical type mask that was tied behind his head.

434177 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Paul, 7, #835 of 1647 🔗

I see face coverings in much the same light as the head coverings associated with concentration camp Musselmaenner.

434233 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Paul, 4, #836 of 1647 🔗

Utterly pathetic (Double masker).

434265 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Paul, 6, #837 of 1647 🔗

This is horrifying. Fauci now pushing TRIPLE masking in the US. I keep assuming it’s fake news. Then I find out it is REAL. If they don’t kill people off with dodgy vaccines it’ll be through bacterial pneumonia.

434307 ▶▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #838 of 1647 🔗

I wonder if Fauci wears three condoms?

434371 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #839 of 1647 🔗

🤮

434185 Custerhaditcoming, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 17, #840 of 1647 🔗

I suppose it had to happen. Just received my invite to take the vaccine. SWMBO immediately tries to make me book an appointment, telling me to do it for her as well as me. ( she has hers tomorrow ) I am a relatively fit 64year old male. I am currently retired ( thank god ). I never had a day of work in 25 years. However many years ago I had a bad reaction to the yellow fever vaccination, which I know is very different to the CV-2 vaccine. I was very nearly hospitalised with it ( temp at one stage was 104 ). Still here though to tell the tale. Never had flu only the odd sniffle now and again. Don’t take the flu vaccine either.
I have carried out my research on both the virus and the vaccination and at the moment an disinclined to take the vaccination. I am not saying I won’t take it sometime in the future. I am not an anti vaccination or a covid denier. I am just cautious as to what the state is expecting to put in my body. As I have tried to explain to SWMBO, my body my choice.
Son who still lives with us works in a school we’re if you believed the hype, is a hot bed of CV-2 has been in work virtually throughout. He is tested twice per week and to date all negative.

Am I being unreasonable.

The only thing that concerns me is the direction this country appears to be taking I.e health passports etc. Where does this stop if they are introduced ? Am I prepared to be a social pariah, well yes I am.

434199 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 15, #841 of 1647 🔗

Health passports will be very difficult to implement in the UK, could be a SAGE psych ops thing to coerce people into taking this.

Remember the pushing of this vaccine is very sinister,

99.8% survival rate,
cheap well known effective treatment available but is being censored.
experimental gene therapy drug
death rate in elderly gone up since vaccine started.
Why are so many still dying despite many of the vulnerable taking it?
Why are unvaccinated considered a health risk to the vaccinated. pure lies..

434206 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 13, #842 of 1647 🔗

You’re not being unreasonable. I’ve just got off the phone with my Mum. She is 73 and had the first AZ jab three weeks ago. My daughter met her for a cup of tea this morning and called me worried about her. Apparently she looks like she’s aged 10 years in those three weeks. Has been in and out of bed for days at a time since, suffering extreme fatigue and flu like symptoms. I’ve at least convinced her to call the doctor and report the adverse reaction. I’ve asked her to go and see the doctor to discuss the side effects, but I don’t think she will. I’ve also asked her to think very carefully before having the 2nd one, especially given govt claims of efficacy of one jab. I really, really hope she heeds my advice. I’m very worried about her.

There is no sense in participating in this ongoing clinical trial as far as I’m concerned.

434280 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to leggy, 3, #843 of 1647 🔗

Sorry to hear that leggy. Hope your mum is feeling better soon. Agree re the second dose.

434629 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #844 of 1647 🔗

Thanks – I really hope I can persuade her.

434219 ▶▶ jennybean, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 5, #845 of 1647 🔗

Trust your gut. In normal times you would weigh up pros/cons and make up your own mind if medically it’s worth it. Even if you caught covid in your sixties the survival rate is in the 95%+ range. The best thing you can do is try and stay healthy. I think it makes sense to wait until trials finish and then decide. If something’s wrong with Vax the government will only give people £120k and you’d have to fight for years for it, so I think it’s sensible to wait a while

434359 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jennybean, 1, #846 of 1647 🔗

They won’t give anything- just like the Pharmaceutical companies, they have indemnity.

434226 ▶▶ Will, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 6, #847 of 1647 🔗

No you are not being unreasonable. It is your choice. Your wife has made her choice, to which she is entitled as well but your choice is your choice.

434263 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 3, #848 of 1647 🔗

We need to dig up the anti drug posters from the 80s

JUST SAY NO!

434302 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #849 of 1647 🔗

The cheesiness stands up to the test of time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQXnQ0plDA

434583 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #850 of 1647 🔗

Cheesy it may be, but I would love to see a new version made by all the musicians who have been LS. Ian Brown and Liam Gallagher as a start would be a hoot!

434337 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #851 of 1647 🔗

With Zano totally off his face – love it!

434273 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 4, #852 of 1647 🔗

It appears, although it’s not entirely clear, that the experimental vaccination makes you vulnerable to covid and covid death in the following weeks after the vaccination, at least in the most vulnerable groups (e.g. those in care homes), and maybe that’s true in less vulnerable groups too.

So even if the experimental vaccine had any affect in preventing hospitalisation or death from covid, by the time you might get that protection the seasonal decline will have reduced the impact of SARS-C0V-2 to a trivial risk.

So that might be an argument to support your current thought of deferring a decision and weighing up the considerable potential harms against the possible small benefits at future date.

But of course it’s your choice.

434348 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Custerhaditcoming, #853 of 1647 🔗

No you are not being unreasonable and in the same position of many on here. It’s entirely your choice, but there is no rush to have it and delay for a few weeks/months to see how things pan out in other areas of society etc.
I personally will wait if possible until at least end of the year to see if ‘other’ less experimental/traditional vaxxs are made available, plus see if there are medium term effects next autumn maybe with ADE etc

434370 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 1, #854 of 1647 🔗

I think you mean ‘day off work’, not ‘day of work’!

434670 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Custerhaditcoming, #855 of 1647 🔗

In Devon and Cornwall we have a phrase ‘I’ll do it dreckly’ which is translated as as bit less urgent than ‘manyana’ as far as I am concerned my first response to the call for vaccination is’ I’ll do it dreckly’, in other words go for procrastination, the Gov and the Health tyrants may be in a hurry and think this is urgent but I do not. I will ponder it for a while and see how it goes? The so called vaccines currently available are of the dodgy first 2 types, there are other, possibly less scary vaccines coming along including a nasal spray version. And so for me it is not yes and not no, it is; I’ll do it dreckly, after I’ve thought about it a bit more and seen how it all plays out.

434702 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Custerhaditcoming, #856 of 1647 🔗

Totally with you on this however luckily my other half is on the same hymn sheet so we are monitoring the outcomes from the jab. Not saying we will or won’t have it, just that we will make the decision for ourselves in our own time.

434189 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 6, #857 of 1647 🔗

I have just read Omar Khan’s piece, to which I only would want to add the deliberately missed opportunities reg. the treatments and prophylaxis saga and genocide, and the one by Daniel Hannan, who seems to have read and agrees with ‘The 4th Turning’ now.

My point is: I might have been able to accept this current ‘turning’, its destruction, decades long shift of spending priorities and restrictions of liberties etc. if this was about something similarly grave as slavery, the Nazis or Ebola, but not with them being brought about via a hyped-up manufactured flu and an equally hyped-up and manufactured climate change narrative.
THAT is the real difference between the current and the prior real crisises, destructions, restrictions
and turnings, and why this one and its decades long aftermath hurts and annoys us critical and freedom loving thinkers so much.

The question now and henceforth is: can we stem the tide/turn back the clock soon or eventually?
Sadly, judging from history alone, this is most unlikely.
Fortunately, because these two crisises are so benign and unreal compared with those real prior ones (and because the next ‘flus’ should demonstrate the hard way to many more people the folly and limits of our current approaches), we might still have a very, very small chance.

434239 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JayBee, 1, #858 of 1647 🔗

I believe we can stop this, the big difference is the steady stream of information from all sides makes it much more difficult than one sided propaganda

434191 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 20, #859 of 1647 🔗

“No jab, no job”. A commenter on a Telegraph article made a good point, thus. Pregnant women are not getting the jab. An employer is – apparently – not allowed to ask a woman if she is, or may be, pregnant. How will this affect the employment of (possibly) pregnant women?

434193 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Tenchy, 24, #860 of 1647 🔗

What about males that self-identify as pregnant women… That would be discriminatory on several levels…

434247 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to stewart, 1, #861 of 1647 🔗

You are on fire today!!! I identify as king of the world and I say arrest them globalist fascists and end this tyranny NOW!
N.O.W. = NORMAL OLD WORLD

434225 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Tenchy, 7, #862 of 1647 🔗

Don’t be transphobic
men can be pregnant too now

434236 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #863 of 1647 🔗

Unless it’s a false +

434366 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #864 of 1647 🔗

Can they chestfeed?

434464 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, #865 of 1647 🔗

yes

434426 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Crystal Decanter, #866 of 1647 🔗

Where is the foetus going to gestate in a box, The pythons were ahead of this shit 40 years ago

434192 stewart, replying to stewart, 15, #867 of 1647 🔗

If you don’t want the vaccine and want to be a bit subversive, when they call you up, decline. Then if they try to convince you, finally agree. Then… don’t turn up.

It’s a win on a few fronts:

  1. You don’t get the jab you don’t want
  2. They have to toss the dose
  3. It might make them more hesitant about trying to convince people.

They really shouldn’t be badgering people. These vaccines are still officially in trial stage.

434223 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to stewart, 5, #868 of 1647 🔗

A friend of mine who doesn’t want the jab is planning to make an appointment when he’s contacted but then not turn up. He’s hoping that he might go in the register as having been ‘innoculated’ but i fear it won’t work like that.

434530 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to maggie may, 4, #869 of 1647 🔗

My husband got a letter and the appointment has already been made for him. It seems the entire village of over 60s are all getting it the same day.
Hubby is not going but he has not informed them, as they never asked if he required it or wanted it, they wrongly assumed.

434234 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stewart, 2, #870 of 1647 🔗

I like it
If they ever challenge you at any future GP appointment just claim anxiety

434286 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #871 of 1647 🔗

Yeah, just say you read about some new deadly hybrid variant and decided it would be safer to stay at home.

434383 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #872 of 1647 🔗

You could make the appointment and then do a no show. But then claim at the next GP appointment that you did have the jab, and when they said there was no record, you could claim the records were wrong. That would really confuse them.

434245 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to stewart, 2, #873 of 1647 🔗

Great idea!

434276 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to stewart, 5, #874 of 1647 🔗

Some years ago I was offered a medication for a medical problem, the Dr explained a bit about it and gave me a few sheets of info, which described a bit about it & went into the possible side effects. Dr would refuse to authorise anything until the next appointment time, to ensure I had made up my mind and had sufficient time to take on board all reasoning. I decided against because the medication (can’t remember the name) was considered unsuitable in several countries at the time, inc. most of the USA, and the side effects were potentially huge for what was a relatively mild issue; which I subsequently managed myself via trial & error with natural and alternative remedies.

Point is – this is what Dr’s should do! they may genuinely believe these vaccines are magic potions, but any attempt at coercion without totally informed consent, about the potential benefits (which will obviously be different for each age group) vs the potential risks – is unethical and dereliction of duty. You’re absolutely right under no circumstances should they badger people, if they do then at the very least that is grounds for a complaint.

434378 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #875 of 1647 🔗

Exactly, the lack of anything that remotely resembles an informed consent process will come back to haunt them.

As the “vaccines” are still in clinical trials and only have emergency authorisations, all recipients should follow the consent process that applies for trials.

For consent to be considered both legal and ethical it must be:

  • Given by a person with capacity;
  • Voluntarily given, with no undue influence;
  • Given by someone who has been adequately informed;

There is a 100 page document for the U.K.

http://www.hra-decisiontools.org.uk/consent/docs/Consent%20and%20PIS%20Guidance.pdf

Instead people are trotting along oblivious to what they are doing

434335 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to stewart, 4, #876 of 1647 🔗

i think i’d turn up and then say i need “informed” consent to undertake my own risk assessment and ask a lot of questions about the vaxx and test results etc etc which they don’t have the answers and take up too much of their time. Then say that based on the lack of information my analysis says “No vaxx” – see you in 6/12 months maybe when more data is available on its efficacy and mortality.

434203 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 24, #877 of 1647 🔗

Some good news from the DT …The WHO said there were still “critical unknowns” about the efficacy of vaccinations in reducing transmission and preventing the virus even as governments work on vaccine certificates as a way to kickstart travel.

It said that, as a result, national authorities, airlines and travel operators “should not introduce requirements of proof of Covid-19 vaccination for international travel as a condition for departure or entry”.

Vaccination should not exempt travellers from having to undergo other “travel risk-reduction measures”, such as testing or quarantine, it added.

Travel industries also against it.

434218 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Hattie, 11, #878 of 1647 🔗

They also came out against lockdowns and against PCR tests in their current form.
To what avail?
Zero.

434275 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JayBee, 4, #879 of 1647 🔗

Quite – it will make no difference. Govt and SAGE are going their own way now.

Unless WHO recommend stricter measures such as welding people into their homes, in which case they will suddenly be listening again.

434232 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hattie, 7, #880 of 1647 🔗

Blair will be furious, also about the domestic segregation he’s trying to shove on us

434243 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to DanClarke, 10, #881 of 1647 🔗

Why is he even allowed out in public. Why is he not serving a life sentence in Britain’s max security prison? Why?! Why???!

434249 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #882 of 1647 🔗

He’s a pox on the UK, what other PM has hung around like him, total nutter

434281 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #883 of 1647 🔗

I know, it’s incomprehensible and gives me no hope that anyone will pay for what is happening right now.

434237 stewart, replying to stewart, 50, #884 of 1647 🔗

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ve stopped worrying about vaccines and vaccine passports.

Not getting the vaccine and don’t believe they’ll be able to restrict anything based on vaccination, even if they tried.

If my life is restricted while they try in vain to implement some form of health surveillance, so be it. Won’t be worse than life right now.

434238 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to stewart, 27, #885 of 1647 🔗

I believe that is correct. They are just trying to panic people into being vaccinated.

434244 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 7, #886 of 1647 🔗

At the moment, from my observations, they seem to be succeeding pretty well.

434251 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 25, #887 of 1647 🔗

I think this is a glass half full or half empty situation.

My sense from the various reports is that about half of the people offered the vaccine are taking it up.

Good luck trying to restrict the lives of half of the population. Even a quarter.

But in any case, i don’t really care if I’m the last man standing. I’m not putting that crap in my body.

434261 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stewart, 30, #888 of 1647 🔗

The more they want me to have it, the less Iikely I am to agree. Presumably the behavioural nonces have considered this – most people will cave under pressure, but a few like me will just become all the more obstinate, on principle.

434264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #889 of 1647 🔗

Hence the pseudonym… 🙂

434267 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stewart, 16, #890 of 1647 🔗

Yep. But also I’m suspicious – why do they want everyone to have it so desperately, when a majority (especially of vulnerable people) will do just fine?

434384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #891 of 1647 🔗

Yes. They’ve sold out to Big Pharma. I’m guessing there have been a lot of backhanders. I don’t buy the Great Reset theories; I’ve interviewed many politicians and realise how stupid (yet greedy and corrupt) most of them are. They could not carry out a plan that requires co-ordination and a degree of secrecy. Big Pharma now has the chance to overcome those pesky ethical reviews and has a global trial of an experimental medical intervention. That’s what this now is. I don’t think it was planned with governments – I think it’s opportunism on a grand scale.

434272 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to A. Contrarian, 21, #892 of 1647 🔗

I agree, it is the one thing the psyops have not thought about, there are some people who the more you are told to do something actually causes you to oppose it even more. I am very much that type of person, I am sure there are many more. It is not just the “vaccine” but all the measures and other narratives such as climate change. Pushing to buy an electric car just makes me want to buy a diesel!

434413 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #893 of 1647 🔗

Exactly there is now a proportion of the population whereby everything the media says the inclination is to do/ think the opposite. This should be very concerning for the PTB. They have never had these issues controlling the narrative before.

434427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JHUNTZ, 7, #894 of 1647 🔗

Yes, I think the wheels are coming off. I’m seeing this a lot more in the ‘critical’ media (all online, like Talk Radio), where the establishment types (politicians, ‘scientists’, etc) are struggling with the uppity attitude they are not accustomed to seeing. In other words, a few journalists are actually starting to do their fucking job. About a year too late, but better late than never.

434587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #895 of 1647 🔗

Absolutely. No one sane can trust them anymore.
I would have gotten a vaccine now back in April, but not anymore.
They only gave themselves, their lies, their censoring, ignoring and diffamating of all other opinions to blame for that.
Trust is earned over decades, and destroyed for good in a second.

434496 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #896 of 1647 🔗

Psyops experts probably realise they cannot influence everyone, although they may try to marginalise the ones they can’t.
Orwell in one of his articles during WW2 commented on a related issue, namely that the crudity of much wartime propaganda tends to make thinking people sympathise with the enemy.

434688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Cumbriacracked, #897 of 1647 🔗

Lost jobs through being the “Devils Advocate” and not knowing when I should stop!

434386 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #898 of 1647 🔗

Same with me. They can fuck themselves. I’m not taking their potions.

434240 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to stewart, 20, #899 of 1647 🔗

I am so 100% with you. Not living in fear. Choosing LIFE! Whatever I can make of it. Planning to swim in local duck pond later.

434248 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to stewart, 21, #900 of 1647 🔗

I hope you’re right.

What I am struggling most with is the fractured relationships due to differing opinions with friends and family over this. The most shocking thing is those on the so called ‘liberal left’ who are suddenly medical fascists. I feel incredibly hurt and disappointed and welcome any tips on how to adjust my attitude to this.

434255 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Mic67, 16, #901 of 1647 🔗

Ditto! Had another car crash call yesterday. It’s SO upsetting to have people turn against you. As a true left-wing social democrat, I’ve lost many friends and family to the madness.

434262 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #902 of 1647 🔗

They’ll come around.

You’ll just have to be the bigger person and make it easy for them.

434274 ▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 19, #903 of 1647 🔗

I’m with you – so many of my friends, colleagues and family blindly assume everyone is going to take the vaccine. What will be interesting when we meet up for big gatherings in the summer (assuming our Insect Overlords allow it) and word slips/leaks that I am the odd one out. Will people shrug their shoulders and say: “Fine, your choice.” or will they shield their children against this monster at the BBQ. Maybe they won’t even accept any food I cook them. Make excuses, “Errrr, it’s really getting late, gotta go.” Sounds implausible, but sorry, I am really gearing up for the informal discrimination coming my way! And in a way, “bring it on ….” I don’t give a fuck!

434289 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to HaylingDave, 9, #904 of 1647 🔗

Just give everyone a big hug and plant a big fat kiss on their cheeks.

They’re protected right?

434418 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to HaylingDave, 10, #905 of 1647 🔗

I will be telling people prior to me going that I am unvaccinated. If it is an issue I will tell them that our relationship in whatever capacity is over.

434259 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mic67, 7, #906 of 1647 🔗

Left and liberal…. bit of a contradiction.

Left wing ideology is basically collective interest prevailing over individual interest.
Liberal ideology is the exact opposite.

434282 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to stewart, 10, #907 of 1647 🔗

Yes, makes sense.
In my case, I’ve been very involved with a specific area human rights work over the years and have a large number of FB activist friends who are generally hugely vocal in calling out our government and other governments on fascist tendencies.
On this…TUMBLEWEED. In fact, cheerleading passports. It’s aged me.

434341 ▶▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to stewart, 4, #908 of 1647 🔗

Anarchist theory has been a key if smaller part of left wing development since the start, left wing doesn’t have to mean communist and social democracy doesn’t quite fit your characterisation.

434421 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to stewart, 4, #909 of 1647 🔗

Read Oscar Wilde “The Soul of Man under Socialism”. Wilde’s thesis is that we get together collectively to support each individual.This LS website would fit Wilde’s description 100%. You may not like his definition but that is what it is.

434596 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, #910 of 1647 🔗

The big American psyop…

434269 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mic67, 14, #911 of 1647 🔗

I always considered myself liberal left, and have suffered the same shock as you. Apparently now I am an extreme right winger…

434298 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #912 of 1647 🔗

Yes I’ve had the far right tag thrown at me constantly too! Not helped by being unable to share any critical articles from the left media, which seems to have vanished. The only decent articles (apart from LS) have been the Mail and the DT both of which allow people to obfuscate my points with the right wing label.

434513 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mic67, 3, #913 of 1647 🔗

Seek out the “ dirtbag Left
They may be the droids you are looking for

434345 ▶▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #914 of 1647 🔗

I keep thinking I must have turned right wing overnight….however I have realised it is not me that has changed. I have kept my critical and political beliefs intact, everyone else has abandoned their principles including, human rights, scientific knowledge, free speech and democracy.

434361 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to concrete68, 5, #915 of 1647 🔗

Yes – it’s made me wonder if in fact I’ve always been right wing and just not known it…

434367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #916 of 1647 🔗

I’m certainly realising I may be on the more Libertarian end of things than I was previously aware of. Am honestly very confused politically and if there was an election today, I would not vote in this left/right paradigm.

434495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Mic67, 4, #917 of 1647 🔗

I’m with you. I have always been more fiscally conservative and socially liberal and, therefore, have voted for both major parties here in Canada. Now that the so-called liberals are calling for medical fascism, I no longer identify with these folks. But our so-called Conservative provincial government has been as horrid as your Conservative party. I can only identify now as a classical liberal or a Libertarian — which makes me politically homeless. Lots of Libertarians don’t vote and, like you, if there were an election coming I would likely not vote at all.

434363 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to concrete68, 3, #918 of 1647 🔗

Absolutely brilliant summary.

434368 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to concrete68, 2, #919 of 1647 🔗

Well said!

434507 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #920 of 1647 🔗

Anyone who isn’t to the left of Trotsky is on the far Right
do keep up

434357 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mic67, 5, #921 of 1647 🔗

Don’t try. Just remember that you are right and they are wrong.

434305 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stewart, 22, #922 of 1647 🔗

Yes, Stewart. I posted something yesterday about this, saying that I think there has been too much catastrophising here about various forms of ‘vaccine’ compulsion. Within the UK, there are laws against compulsory medical treatment or experimentation, and the domestic ‘passport’ idea is hardly possible when we don’t even have an ID card system. Mobile phone-related certificates won’t work on a large scale because many people simply don’t own a compatible smartphone, or will forget it, forget to charge it, etc, etc. Last year’s track and trace project was a shambles. Anything so fundamental would need to be enforced via a smartcard that does not require a power source or, ultimately, microchipping (probably in the skin between your thumb and forefinger). That really would be a nightmare scenario for most of us and of course would need to be fought, but we are nowhere near the logistics required for this (yet).

As for an international version of the ‘passport’, this would also be difficult with so many ‘vaccines’, competing national interests (the Chinese and Russians might only recognise their own versions, etc), international rules and standards against compulsion, the need for many countries (and airlines) to get tourism going again as soon as possible, and the perpetual problem of getting international co-ordination on anything in a short period of time.

The mass hysteria seems to be fading and I’m cautiously optimistic that when it does, the sheeple will direct their frustration and anger towards the authorities who enacted all this awful shit. We may need to get out there with a mass ‘no compliance’ movement – some non-violent resistance – and I hope that will push things along, though it is possible that there will be some violence in some places. Ultimately, I do think we will prevail, though the next (bigger!) task is to make sure this sort of thing never happens again, which will require resurrecting the culture of freedom that has been so badly eroded (a process that began long before 2020).

434318 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Tom in Scotland, 7, #923 of 1647 🔗

This is rational and helpful, I’m happy to remain on the fringes but I hope you’re right.
The catastrophising is not just here though, one only has to look on Twitter to realise that a large number of the population are cheering on these measures. That’s what’s more depressing.

434376 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Mic67, 8, #924 of 1647 🔗

Exactly. Still, I hope things will change in the coming weeks, particuarly as the weather changes in the Northern Hemisphere. I think Australian and New Zealand are in for a shock when winter arrives Down Under.

434328 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #925 of 1647 🔗

I agree that implementing health passports is a way away yet. Talk of them is to drive the jab rate. By the application of more scare and bullshit.
Empty threats (for now hopefully)

I see you have mentioned implants and their need for a power supply.
Implanted ID chips and other devices do not need a power supply. They have coils in them that can be “energised” a moving magnetic field, or radio waves.

This is how RFID chips work. They are hit by a pulse of radio energy and that induces a currant in a coil or it’s antenna and that energy pulse is enough to process stuff and send out a pulse back to a nearby receiver.

Auto-toll booths, things on packaging, chips in your body. The same principal is at work.

434373 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Two-Six, 2, #926 of 1647 🔗

Sorry about any confusion: I meant that a smartcard or RFID chip does not need a power supply, which a smartphone does (or at least a recent charge), so that’s why an authoritarian/compulsory ID/passport system could not rely on people all having smartphones.

I hope we never get to that stage…

434330 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Tom in Scotland, 6, #927 of 1647 🔗

I agree (feeling optimistic today as it’s a glorious sunshine here!).
The different ‘passports’ / certifications from round the world would be interesting for a Tesco worker on minimum wage to validate – so if you’re from another country can’t enter…?
The other factor is the different poisons even in this country, if vaxx A is thought to be more efficient than vaxx B – do you prevent all those who have had B from going to the pub/shop/theatre/gym?
That’s how ridiculous this whole theatre is, never mind the legal aspect. I hope it’s a scare tactic to increase the vaxx uptake.

434362 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to penelope pitstop, 10, #928 of 1647 🔗

Talking of Tesco workers … there was a scare ten years ago about forged banknotes. A Tesco checkout girl took a customer’s £20 note, held it up to the light, and squinted at it.
‘What are you doing that for?’ asked the customer.
‘I dunno, we were just told to do it,’ replied the girl.

434411 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Annie, 1, #929 of 1647 🔗

Wonderful training there. No one told her she was supposed to looking at the watermark…

434837 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Annie, #930 of 1647 🔗

Priceless!!

434331 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Tom in Scotland, 9, #931 of 1647 🔗

The mass hysteria seems to be fading and I’m cautiously optimistic that when it does, the sheeple will direct their frustration and anger towards the authorities who enacted all this awful shit.

I’m more certain every day that this is what is going to happen.

I’ve been very very pessimistic about things from the day the Italians started locking people up last Feb. But of late, I’m sensing a change. Don’t know exactly why the air is shifting but it is.

It’s not over by any means, but in my mind I’m already thinking about how we make sure this never happens again. Ever.

When the surge of anger from the population come it needs to be used to put serious limitations on those in government.

434519 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #932 of 1647 🔗

I agree about the catastrophising and like you have no confidence in any of these governments getting anything in place. Too many of the same people that have had their first vaccine and now due their second, do not carry smart phones. I know so many people in their 80’s that use old fashioned big button mobiles, so how would they be expected to shop, get on a bus etc without the app. Giving them a card would enable all of us unvaccinated to get fake cards.
I’m not panicking about it just yet.

434605 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Tom in Scotland, 2, #933 of 1647 🔗

“….the need for many countries (and airlines) to get tourism going again as soon as possible,…”

You haven’t been paying attention.
Destroying tourism, in particular in the 3rd world to also kill as many people as possible there without being seen directly responsible for it, is one of the main goals of this operation.

434310 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to stewart, 11, #934 of 1647 🔗

i’m praying you’re right stewart. I think the logistical practicalities of the ‘poison passports’ will be such that it will turn into a bureaucratic and unworkable shambles like the T&T.
If it’s an app then 20% or so of the population don’t have a smartphone; and there will be so many exemptions from those wishing to get pregnant, and other conditions – i just don’t think it’s very realistic. They going to ban say 25% of the population from society?

434343 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stewart, 7, #935 of 1647 🔗

A nice spring-like weekend will put the frighteners on the Covidian cult
expect maximum screeching whilst the pestilent proles enjoy themselves

434356 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #936 of 1647 🔗

the irony is they will all be out and then complaining that it’s busy in the park etc!

434406 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 4, #937 of 1647 🔗

First to the gulag. See you there.

434580 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, 1, #938 of 1647 🔗

Domestically it will be very difficult, lawsuits will abound.
That should also be the case within the USA and the EU countries.
Hopefully, travelling by car will also be unimpacted, but for flying etc, I think they might get away with it, although the hopefully by then finally standardized testing should still remain an alternative.

434253 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #939 of 1647 🔗

So this is The Fourth Industrial Revolution is it? How about I write a book called The Second Enlightenment? Any pre-orders?

434355 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #940 of 1647 🔗

Don’t you mean the Second Dark Ages?

434439 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 2, #941 of 1647 🔗

Trying to be hopeful and pre-empt the next stage. We’re in the dark ages now!

434577 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #942 of 1647 🔗

In the middle of the 4th turning or crisis, another 10 years to go though until it’s over.
Followed by a Recovery, or High, but one without liberties.
Then the spiritual Awakening, then the Unraveling, which marks the high of liberties and individualism, then the crisis again.
That book has already been written…

434257 DanClarke, 14, #943 of 1647 🔗

They don’t seem to be into coercing everyone to get the jab, my surgery rang and when told that I was going to wait until it was no long experimental, she just laughed and said ok will take you off the list so you arent bothered again. Apparently a neighbour had asked one of the doctor from the same surgery when she would get her’s and he told her’ nothing to do with me’!

434260 Sarigan (Day 339 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 339 of lockdown), 7, #944 of 1647 🔗
434295 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Sarigan (Day 339 of lockdown), 3, #945 of 1647 🔗

Good find.

Lots of good tidbits:

Bancel, a first-time biotech CEO, has dismissed questions about Moderna’s potential. He describes mRNA as a simple way to develop treatments for scores of ailments. As he told STAT over the summer, “mRNA is like software: You can just turn the crank and get a lot of products going into development.”

It seems clear, however, that the software has run into bugs.

Software with lots of bugs.That’s Bill Gates’ fingerprints all over that…

In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.

How lucky for us they managed to find the right balance just in time to release a COVID vaccine. Talk about serendipity…

Great article.

434354 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to stewart, 3, #946 of 1647 🔗

I was a kid, Serendipity was a mechanical dog on Children’s Hour TV which buzzed and clanked and found things out. Sad to see him enrolled in the bollox squad.

434271 penelope pitstop, 21, #947 of 1647 🔗

Some good news – new facebook group “Awakened Travel”. Joined and had a brief look and B&Bs etc advertised etc . Think it’s just opened recently but already a 4.4k users and growing quickly.
I think this is a very positive and hopefully will be start of an ‘alternative’ vacation options without sticking a swab up your nose etc

https://www.facebook.com/groups/789004535035363/

could probably do with a business one also to support them.

434278 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 25, #948 of 1647 🔗

Bumped into my neighbour this afternoon – mid-50, female, vegan, anti-animal testing, anti-GMO – and while chatting she said she couldn’t wait for her vaccination date to arrive as it’s OK for her to take.

Her son who is a 1st year medical student “has run tests on it and he says it’s safe”.

At this point I make excuses and leave as I couldn’t stand anymore of her braindead bullshit.

Few minutes later in comes Mrs Awkward comes in laughing.

I asked why?

Her answer – she said she asked the neighbour to ask her doctor son what HEK239 is as it’s mentioned in the Government’s documents about the vaccines as she has been reading before agreeing to take it (bullshit but keeps the peace with the neighbour and keeps the gossip mill running) and what is chimpanzee adenovirus vector as that’s mentioned plus what’s GMO? Neighbour said she would ask.

She had to leave as she had a problem keeping a straight face after that.

434291 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #949 of 1647 🔗

Her son who is a 1st year medical student “has run tests on it and he says it’s safe”.

I get to use this again.

434296 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #950 of 1647 🔗

Excellent, AG and Mrs AG. “Has run tests on it and says it’s safe” – that’ll save them pharma companies years of work, then!

434599 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #951 of 1647 🔗

probably just wanted to see if it was flammable

434300 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #952 of 1647 🔗

1st year med student has run tests on it – yeah right, what utter tosh!
I’m amazed that this type of person would be so accepting of the government poison – but hey we live and learn!

434327 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #953 of 1647 🔗

“At this point I make excuses and leave as I couldn’t stand anymore of her braindead bullshit.”

This made me laugh out loud!

434334 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #954 of 1647 🔗

The truly sad thing is that even that small amount of schooling makes the son better qualified to be Health Secretary than Wankok!

434342 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #955 of 1647 🔗

I feel a lot more comfortable taking this experimental gene therapy now that a 1st year medical student has run the rule over it. I assume the majority of this students lectures have been on zoom.

434346 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andrew K, 6, #956 of 1647 🔗

Don’t think he’s been to any, his car is always parked up at home as he’s back there as the student digs were too much stress for him.

434402 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #957 of 1647 🔗

It will not be long before this

434435 ▶▶ rose, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #958 of 1647 🔗

Haha! I was talking to someone yesterday. They were going on about having the ‘vaccine’ and asked me if I had mine. I said no and I wasn’t going to. Why not? Well I said it’s experimental and there have been quite a lot of bad adverse reactions and deaths. She just laughed at me for obviously talking bollocks and said that here hasn’t been any deaths and her virologist friend said if there had been the vaccine would be pulled !! What delusions people have.

434520 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to rose, 3, #959 of 1647 🔗

I was chatting earlier today to a couple who live near me and they told me that they had both had the first jab. I facetiously but ‘innocently’ asked if they had been told at the time that they were participating in experimental trials. I knew full well what the answer was. But the expression on both their faces demonstrated that they thought I was ‘one of those conspiracy loonies’. I suspect another neighbour had already enlightened them about my ‘off the wall’ views so my question to them had clearly validated this!

434501 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #960 of 1647 🔗

To be fair, maybe the medical student son has an eye on his inheritance and is rubbing his hands with glee. 😉

435071 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Dodderydude, #961 of 1647 🔗

No matter how badly the day goes, the laughter on here keeps me going,
I’m in tears a lot of the time. So relaxing before bedtime . Thank you all .

434283 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 29, #962 of 1647 🔗

Looking at the Daily mail comments looks like the masses have seen through the “with covid” and from covid” ruse at long last.

Warmed the cockles of my heart to see.

434290 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #963 of 1647 🔗

More ‘cases’, ‘infections’ and variants then, eh?

434294 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #964 of 1647 🔗

Let us know when you notice the same thing on the Guardian…

434303 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stewart, 5, #965 of 1647 🔗

Don’t even go near that one.

434325 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to stewart, 6, #966 of 1647 🔗

Aah, the Guardian, where you’re never free to comment.

434297 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #967 of 1647 🔗

Never forget they ware all mostly complicit
They don’t get to weasel out of culpability

434344 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #968 of 1647 🔗

I notice DM comments depend very much on which narrative they are following today. Click bait for the masses.

434352 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrew K, 6, #969 of 1647 🔗

Fine, if it brings out the anti-bollox masses.

434292 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 33, #970 of 1647 🔗

I’ve been ignoring my parents recently as they told me in early January that they wouldn’t be having visitors due to COVID. They did this even though I live on my own and have no social support other than immediate family.

I received a WhatsApp message from my Dad this morning, worrying about the lack of contact as he feared that I may have died from COVID. I despair.

434301 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #971 of 1647 🔗

Aw Ewan, it’s just awful, this is likely to be a similar scenario with many in relation to their parents unfortunately. Sad state of affairs when parents are afraid to see their own children.

434316 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #972 of 1647 🔗

That’s tough.

It shows what fear can do. This government and its evil servants deserve no quarter.

434323 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Ewan Duffy, 13, #973 of 1647 🔗

My parents initially (March 2020) took a bit of a “what’s all the fuss about” approach. I was, I’m ashamed to admit now, quite concerned at the time and suggested that they should take it more seriously given their age and health conditions. They drove just before the lockdown and sat in the garden. They also came up in August and stayed over for the night.

By Christmas they were much more paranoid and not willing to visit or receive a visit. “We’ve come so far and we’re so close to the vaccine so we’re not going to take any chances now.” Well, OK I thought, I’m all for personal choice so I wasn’t going to argue.

But now they’ve had the vaccine (one dose anyway) and seem perfectly happy to hunker down still. After the Road Map was announced I sent a slightly irritable message to my mum along the lines of “so that’s all clear now – maybe see you in the summer?” The response: “Hope so!”

It’s possible they are enjoying having an excuse not to see me for a few months. Fair enough. I’m not always the best of company. But you’d think they’d be a little more upset about not seeing their grandson though. And I do find the change in attitude interesting.

434333 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Johnsontown, 13, #974 of 1647 🔗

Mine were similar. Very gung ho during the first lockdown but have gradually become more and more scared. Thanks media.
Now my mother – who has shown no interest whatsoever in my other health issues over the last four years – has texted me 3 times about the jab in the last week. Very annoying!

434339 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Johnsontown, 15, #975 of 1647 🔗

They sound similar to my in laws. MIL said once they get their 2nd dose of vaccine, after a few weeks we can visit and maybe stay over. I actually don’t even want to when the time comes. They have denied their young grandchildren getting to know them at an important developmental stage of their lives(almost aged 2 and 3 ). She said ‘they are so close now’ and have done well without catching it that they want to wait longer, oh and also said that very young kids can be ‘hidden germ factories’. Don’t get me started!!! I find their attitude difficult to comprehend and maybe I am cutting my nose off to spite my face, but I will abhor being in their company going forward, finding it hard to forget. Hubby said they are just being cautious and scared with all the media propaganda. I try to reason with that, but again can’t shake the annoyance of anger. Doesn’t stop FIL going to private physio sessions for his back FFS!
Even my 82 year old Granny hasn’t been as fearful, she is happy for us to visit but is holding off on the hugs for now, which I can accept as a compromise.

434364 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Ganjan21, 15, #976 of 1647 🔗

I hear you. I’m feeling a lot of irritation with friends and family. But let’s try to be fair – it’s hard to counter the propaganda and group think. For the sake of your marriage and your kids perhaps you could try to move beyond the anger. It’s not easy though.

Laura Perrins has been quite strident in seeing in this whole thing a lot of boomer selfishness. I know it’s rather sweeping to castigate a whole generation like that, but it does irritate me how my parents (late 60s) are doing just fine with their hugely generous public sector pensions and property portfolio, while it’s the young who will suffer because an older generation has been spooked by a glimpse of the grim reaper. (It’s the photos of school kids in masks that really make my blood boil…)

I’m sure my parents had a lovely time as teenagers in the late 60s, despite the Hong Kong flu rampaging around the world. Nobody locked them in their houses and blighted their social lives and education. And their subsequent lives would probably have been much less affluent had the government shut down the economy for twelve months in response.

434388 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #977 of 1647 🔗

I agree 100%.
I will continue to try and move past the anger and I have found for the time being, it’s best not to engage with any conversation for any length of time about the whole debacle. It’s my poor hubby to who listens to the hysteria over the phone from her mostly.
Perhaps I should dig out my hip flask and fill it with whiskey when the time comes for our gracious, welcoming visit to them.

434399 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Johnsontown, 18, #978 of 1647 🔗

The really annoying part will be when they are out in summer, everyone a sceptic

“Ach I always knew it was bollocks mate”

I guarantee you’ll be hearing that kind of thing everywhere

434401 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #979 of 1647 🔗

I strongly suspect the same.

434397 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #980 of 1647 🔗

She said ‘they are so close now’ and have done well without catching it

But the vaccine that isn’t a vaccine means anybody can still catch it and pass it on.

434410 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to stefarm, 4, #981 of 1647 🔗

Yes, she is aware of this but she believes that if she got it pre-vaccine, she would die. Once she has her 2nd dose, she isn’t as scared as to whether she gets it or not, as she feels the vaccine will lessen her symptoms and prevent it from being fatal to her.

434965 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Johnsontown, #982 of 1647 🔗

Don’t worry they’re not rejecting you. Speaking as an oldie sometimes it’s easier to just sit back and go along with things whilst they’re happening, And in any case this blasted government keeps changing it’s mind so they might be a bit confused by now. I’m sure I am. Confused and very angry.

434332 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #983 of 1647 🔗

The truly sad thing is that the Son is actually better qualified to be Health Secretary than Wankok!

434349 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 16, #984 of 1647 🔗

Write back, thanking him for the message and telling him yes,you have died of Covid and you appreciate his concern.

434351 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Annie, 5, #985 of 1647 🔗

If I could thumbs up this 1000 times, I would!

434369 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 4, #986 of 1647 🔗

Sadlydied

434395 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #987 of 1647 🔗

That’s mad stuff. Sorry to hear that.

As the weather improves faces shall return. Everyone a sceptic once again. They will also be encouraged by the fight for freedom that will see 2021 be the year to be alive.

434409 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, #988 of 1647 🔗

Fear is the mind killer

434423 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #989 of 1647 🔗

Sorry about your situation.

My Mum has been driven mad by BBC fearmongering. I told my brother to get her a newspaper that has some balance in it one day. She won’t have newspapers in the house incase they have covid on them

434987 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to steve_w, #990 of 1647 🔗

A friend of mine who has been a nurse for 50 years ( retired now and knows it all) said friends of hers leave their post for four days before they pick it up. She also said to me “I’ve had Covid, you know, but I didn’t have any symptoms” to which I couldn’t resist replying “you haven’t had it then” being a devoted fan of Dr Mike Yeadon.

434448 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #991 of 1647 🔗

I am kind of in the same situation, though as my parents are in Germany, it is phone contact only (they do not do modern technology).
As we both are forced to live a boring live, the conservation comes around to C-topics, and I do not want to fall out with them, so I avoid it all together.
Lets hope we can all agree to more pleasurable get togethers soon!!

434562 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #992 of 1647 🔗

Ewan I’m so sorry that you’re all on your own through this – thank goodness for forums like this! Your parents have been terrorised by the state and press.

434293 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #993 of 1647 🔗

I can’t understand why it keeps getting reported that the mRNA vaccines were “done in a year”.

They were “started” in 2011 with funding supplied by DARPA then Bill Gates chipped in a load of money so it’s taken them 10 years to do them.

It only took a few months on a computer to do the covid SARS 2 or whatever it is called today RNA modelling bit.

434419 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #994 of 1647 🔗

The thing is, at the start they tried to test using animals, as is usual. Then they alldied, so they went into a bit of a lull, as you would, they good ol’ Bill stepped up and now they just ytest on humans.

434306 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 20, #995 of 1647 🔗

Just saw this via Left Lockdown Sceptics. Handy.

434438 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Mic67, #996 of 1647 🔗

What are Left Lockdown Sceptics?

434461 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to muzzle, 3, #997 of 1647 🔗

They don’t think lockdown is a good idea, but being otherwise enslaved by the state is fine.

434314 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 11, #998 of 1647 🔗

I’ve just made a report to the ASA regarding this ad. This was based on the fact that as the overwhelming body of science beleives that viruses are not actually alive then they clearly can’t be killed. The bigger picture is that ads like these play on the irrational fear generated by the ceaseless government propaganda.

The ASA website process finishes with a statement ‘We do not make individual replies to complaints of this type (I went through the Corona virus and complaint link) one presumes they are all just binned then.

434437 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to eastender53, 8, #999 of 1647 🔗

We should stop cleaning everything to death and allow our immune systems to get some exercise.

434540 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to eastender53, #1000 of 1647 🔗

They clamped down on the regime’s ‘dog and jog’ ad, so there’s some hope.

434319 Basics, 6, #1001 of 1647 🔗

Brilliant thoughts re vaccine uptake from Richie Allen yesterday. From the start.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2021-02-24T11_28_08-08_00

434336 duncanpt, replying to duncanpt, 24, #1002 of 1647 🔗

SAGE and 55,000 more deaths by Easter :
We’ve all heard that SAGE seems to have spooked the Great Leader – sorry, PM – once more by claiming there could be 55,000 more deaths if he’d let us go free. but is that even actually possible now?

Firstly, it’s taken 12 months to reach 120,000 deaths (including the “withs”), a period in which there was little natural immunity (although no doubt some, bear with me); there was a lot of “dry tinder”; and there were no vaccinated people. It’s therefore a bit much to predict almost half that number in only 2 months when all three of those factors have changed.

Secondly, 55k implies a lot of infected people. I think the generally accepted fatality rate is around 1% if we exclude the very elderly and/or those with multiple risk factors. (Anyway that group has by now been vaccinated.) So in order to have 55k deaths, you need to have 5,500,000 (5.5 million) proper cases. I use the term “proper cases” to stress the difference from the error-strewn PCR tests which the Government calls “cases”.

Now that we have had 18m people vaccinated at least once, and with some estimates that another 5m may have naturally acquired immunity, and excluding the children, I think that leaves only around 35m people give or take from whom that 5.5m could be drawn (I’ve not researched the numbers outside my own memory as the importance is the ballpark, not precision). What’s important is that the 55k implies 5.5m real, proper cases, which in turn requires a lot more people because not everybody catches the disease even in the mind of the lockdown zealots.

Do we really believe that between now and Easter something like 1 in 7 exposed people are going to get a proper case of Covid? After they’ve had 12 months already in which to do so? I personally do not – but it seems our masters at SAGE, our Great Leader Johnson and the Protector-General Hancock do. Which of us will you side with?

434387 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to duncanpt, 7, #1003 of 1647 🔗

I’m just a bit worried that round 2 of the jab might take out a few more of the frail, which will coincide with spring / summer and the almighty holy one SAGE will say see we told you so. Not convinced even that could reach 55,000 though.

434432 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #1004 of 1647 🔗

As at the moment they do not seem to count them as Covid deaths, it is unlikely to drive certain umbers up.
Of course if they test positive, as many do, then it can turn bad again.

434452 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Silke David, 1, #1005 of 1647 🔗

I think some of them in care homes were put down to Covid outbreaks so did make the stats, I think you have reduced immunity for a week or so afterwards. I also wonder about the vax itself throwing up positive tests? I have no idea on the science of that. Either way you’re a Covid death. Nothing else you can die of is there.

434502 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #1006 of 1647 🔗

ah, now I get it. They need something/someone to blame the expected mortality spike on [arising from the lethal injections] – so cue the ‘overly ambitious relaxing of the lockdown’; ‘ those irresponsible people who took advantage to discard their masks and social distancing.’ god, they’re so boringly predictable. how is ANYONE still taken in by their antics?

434400 ▶▶ ThomasPelham, replying to duncanpt, 4, #1007 of 1647 🔗

1% fatality is way too high, John Iodonnis estimated 0.56% for the UK and 0.2% for the world.

434414 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to ThomasPelham, 1, #1008 of 1647 🔗

Indeed, and even with this 1% figure duncanpt has on the back of a postage stamp using basic logic shown the SAGE’s figure is almost certainly utter nonsense

434428 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to duncanpt, 2, #1009 of 1647 🔗

What does Princess Nut Nuts think?

434457 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to eastender53, 5, #1010 of 1647 🔗

“Early Saturday, a Full Moon occurs in Virgo when the Sun in Pisces forms an opposition to the Moon in Virgo. The Full Moon is a time of culmination and the promise of fulfillment of that which was started at the New Moon. It is an emotional time – a time of romance, fertilisation, and relationships.”

434338 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 9, #1011 of 1647 🔗

BBC LIES Over ‘COMPULSORY’ School Testing / Hugo Talks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rDAVrh8pMs

434377 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1012 of 1647 🔗

Also, emails and documents showing anti Russia collusion with FCO. Your tax money.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-office-russian-media/

434347 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 39, #1013 of 1647 🔗

Why do people still say “stay safe”? Drives me bonkers. Email sign offs, tradespeople etc. they’ve never cared about my safety before, I don’t even know them! I mean I’m quite conservative anyway, but it makes me want to instantly go do a bungee jump or something. Just to spite them.

434350 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fear is Finite, 21, #1014 of 1647 🔗

I even had it when I was passed a drive through takeaway a few weeks ago. I think the “fuck off!” in reply startled the poor girl.

434372 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to leggy, 4, #1015 of 1647 🔗

*Sniggers. But in all seriousness, it’s a reflex now, it might outlast the virus.

434374 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Fear is Finite, 11, #1016 of 1647 🔗

It drives me nuts too, like Covid is some bogeyman lurking behind a tree ready to jump out and attack you. Eff off!

434415 ▶▶▶ Norman, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1017 of 1647 🔗

Unfortunately, that is how so many people have been conditioned into seeing it.

434389 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fear is Finite, 28, #1018 of 1647 🔗

Why do people still say “stay safe”?

Because they are brainless fucking conformist sheep – that’s why.

434393 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to rockoman, 4, #1019 of 1647 🔗

Flattery will get you nowhere!

434396 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to isobar, 4, #1020 of 1647 🔗

True, I take the ‘sheep’ bit back. Watch this. Even sheep can stick up for themselves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szWFmCFJtYs&feature=emb_imp_woyt

434403 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to rockoman, 1, #1021 of 1647 🔗

Great video – go sheep!

434404 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fear is Finite, 12, #1022 of 1647 🔗

Reply ‘Stay sane’.Say it with distinct emphasis.

434422 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Annie, 5, #1023 of 1647 🔗

Reply: GET SCEPTICAL!

434431 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to vargas99, 2, #1024 of 1647 🔗

I have a Stay Sane button on my coat. Ordered from Etsy. Pack of 3, so I gave 2 away.

434488 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Fear is Finite, 7, #1025 of 1647 🔗

it’s one of the little cult mantras. like ‘heil Hitler’

434633 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1026 of 1647 🔗

Updated to “Heil Hancock!”

434360 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 16, #1027 of 1647 🔗

Someone kindly mentioned the Awakened Travel group on Facebook yesterday. I’ve joined. It’s brilliant. I highly recommend joining it.

434365 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to kenadams, 6, #1028 of 1647 🔗

I’ve joined too!

434405 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kenadams, 9, #1029 of 1647 🔗

We need more of this kind of thing. A parallel group for no nonsense pubs/restaurants etc. would be nice too.

I think there’s an opportunity here for an entrepreneurial web developer to create an online directory for such establishments and enterprises.

434442 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 339 of lockdown), replying to kenadams, 2, #1030 of 1647 🔗

Me too.

434444 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to kenadams, 5, #1031 of 1647 🔗

I’ll be joining once my 30 day stint in FB jail for Vaxx posts is done lol

434382 isobar, 16, #1032 of 1647 🔗

COVID-19: UK alert level downgraded as threat of NHS being overwhelmed recedes

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-alert-level-downgraded-as-threat-of-nhs-being-overwhelmed-recedes-12228748

but we are still at level 4, which means that transmission is high or exponentially rising.

Yeah right!

434398 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 14, #1033 of 1647 🔗

“Models are a bit garbage in and garbage out”

I should f*****g coco. The UK government has been advised that1 in 3 asymptomatic people are carriers (qualifiers deleted). If that were the case humanity would never have gotten this far. In consequence we have 2 m spacing for everybody under all circumstances, mask wearing, shutdown of public spaces, etc, etc.

Where does this 1 in 3 come from? The Mad Modellers? A recent large scale experimental assessment of real data involving 10 million individuals in a dense urban setting in China found asymptomatic spread was a possible, but not proven, explanation for something like 3 in 10,000 instances. Compare that to the UK’s 3 in 10 (approximating 1 in 3), ie asymptomatic spread in the UK as a whole is supposedly 1000 times the rate in Chinese cities! Give me a break.

434407 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ken Garoo, 10, #1034 of 1647 🔗

The official numbers are 7 ‘covid deaths’ for Shanghai.

This makes the ‘covid death rate’, adjusted for population size, more than 5000 greater in Merthyr Tydfil than in Shanghai.

There was unrestricted travel between Wuhan and Shanghai for 6 weeks from the time the first infection supposedly occurred in Wuhan until restrictions were imposed in mid-January 2020.

Who believes this nonsense?

434412 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ken Garoo, 7, #1035 of 1647 🔗

This 1 in 3 bollock came a few weeks ago, and i successfully argued with a zealot that the government were talking bollock. here’s how.

I said if 1 in 3 are carriers then we should have 100% herd immunity in 6 weeks. here goes.

1 in 3 have it now, (33%) so in two weeks will be immune, so
if we still have 1 in 3, then 33% more in the second fortnight will be immune.

if after 1 month we still have 1 in 3 then another 33% so that’s 100%.

Oh but I’m sure the government didn’t mean that, they replied,
well if they bloody didn’t mean that why the fuck advertise it! the government are talking bollock! They saw sense and agreed.

434476 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1036 of 1647 🔗

The Medical Dictatorship’s get out on that is they meant 33% of those infected are asymptomatic so as prevalence is around 1-2% that’s not enough to give population immunity. Still bollox though. If you’re not sick you aren’t coughing and sneezing over anyone to spread it.

434433 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #1037 of 1647 🔗
434497 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #1038 of 1647 🔗

Models are worse than GIGO.

The worst models are perfectly capable of turning rigorously collected input datasets into utterly worthless junk outputs.

434416 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 16, #1039 of 1647 🔗

These people have some brass neck. I literally wouldn’t have the balls to try and force the whole population to be injected with something I know nothing about that’s barely been tested.

I wonder if Chris ‘Children of Men’ Whitty ever wakes up in the middle of the night wondering what could go wrong?

434560 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to steve_w, 2, #1040 of 1647 🔗

He probably studied at the Leonardo Conti School of Medicine.

434565 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JayBee, 1, #1041 of 1647 🔗

I had to look up Conti – happily he hanged himself at Nuremberg! Maybe history will repeat

434913 ▶▶ iansn, replying to steve_w, #1042 of 1647 🔗

Hancock is the one who will take the rap. Advisors advise and ministers decide. thats it.

434424 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 21, #1043 of 1647 🔗

If it’s illegal to ask a woman if she’s pregnant at a job interview – how can it be legal to ask her if she’s had the jab? Just asking ….. because they sort of involve the same kinda thing.

434467 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #1044 of 1647 🔗

It’s also illegal to discriminate against someone with HIV… of course I’m sure Gove will have thought about that in his vaxpassport consultations – he’s really clever like that, isn’t he?! 🙂

434477 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1045 of 1647 🔗

The sarcasm is perfect!

434692 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1046 of 1647 🔗

I USED to rate him. Educated beyond his intelligence is what I now think.

434637 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #1047 of 1647 🔗

You bought into all that guff about no one being above the law huh?

434441 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1049 of 1647 🔗

According to the Tagesschau, the largest news show in Germany, the RKI (the German Temple of Do not challenge us and Drosten) announced today that schools (and school children actually attending school and mingling) do not contribute to the spread of C.

Hopefully this will mean the school children can take their MNC off!!

434559 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Silke David, 1, #1050 of 1647 🔗

Don’t be ridiculous!

434430 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #1051 of 1647 🔗

latest all cause mortality

434446 ▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, 2, #1052 of 1647 🔗

Great, but the question you should be asking is, “why is the baseline, 2SD & 3SD lines so much lower in Jan 21 than in Jan 20?”
Overlay the actual Jan/Feb 21 lines on the Jan/Feb 20 lines & it looks very different.

434460 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to steve_w, #1053 of 1647 🔗

Probably making an idiot of myself (not unusual 🙂 ) but what do 2SD and 3SD stand for?

434474 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1054 of 1647 🔗

standard deviations from mean – its quite normal for things to be 2SD from the mean, 3SD is rarer (but not that rare)

434889 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to steve_w, #1055 of 1647 🔗

Thanks!

434475 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #1056 of 1647 🔗

Standard deviations

434479 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to isobar, 2, #1057 of 1647 🔗

Unless we’re talking about Westminster, then it means Sexual Deviants.

434890 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to isobar, #1058 of 1647 🔗

Thanks!

434500 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1059 of 1647 🔗

Have a look at Euromomo for a misuse of the measure.

434509 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 1, #1060 of 1647 🔗

quite. I’ve begged them to show all cause mortality instead of their ludicrous Z-score. No reply. Z-score does exaggerate the spikes which I suppose is why they do it

434891 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to RickH, #1061 of 1647 🔗

Noted, thanks!

434462 ▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, #1062 of 1647 🔗

Can you post the ref for the data set?

434483 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #1064 of 1647 🔗

page 61

434493 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 1, #1065 of 1647 🔗

OK – but ‘Daily Excess Deaths’ is statistical bollocks, and the ‘baseline’ isn’t defined.

434505 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to RickH, 4, #1066 of 1647 🔗

I dont know why they annotate their graph with excess deaths. Its clearly not. Its all cause mortality. They should go on a stats course!

434512 ▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, #1067 of 1647 🔗

Can anyone explain why the baseline, SD2 & SD3 figures for 2021 are so much higher than in 2020. The excess deaths look very different if you compare to 2020 data!

434521 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 2, #1068 of 1647 🔗

I don’t know but unless they have really forged the data, then a year has dropped off the back of the new calculation. I dont know what years they calculate the SD over. But you are right, it is a massive jump so a) a year with a massive Jan peak dropped out of the calculations b) they have used a small number of years and the SD isn’t valid. I’ll look it up

434531 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #1069 of 1647 🔗

they say 5 years which is a ludicrously short time period to calculate an SD! 5 points to calculate it! Ridiculous.

I assume it makes it look smaller and 2021 SD is 2016-2020 inclusive and 2020 SD from 2015-2019 inclusive and that 2015 was a ‘bad’ year

I would calculate SD over 20+ years

434555 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, #1070 of 1647 🔗

quick google – you really need 30 points (years in our case) to calculate an SD

explanation here

https://marketing.astm.org/acton/attachment/9652/f-f77f2c0b-9bdd-43c4-b29e-a5dc68c3a4b1/1/-/-/-/-/ja17dp.pdf

page 48 shows that with so few points (5) we can pretty much triple the SD and within that confidence interval, Jan 20 and Jan 21 are essentially the same!

434564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, #1071 of 1647 🔗

It’s how you make a mountain out of a molehill!

434579 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 1, #1072 of 1647 🔗

yes. their SD is an attempt to show what a ‘normal’ range should be. If they are using so few years that there is such a massive jump from 1 year to the next then this is ‘deeply inappropriate’. I expect using 20 years or more shows a much higher SD and mortality to be very close to it – hence less ‘abnormal’. It would be nice to get the source data to show it

434434 steve_w, 4, #1073 of 1647 🔗

Child Killer Hancock will have to answer for this

434436 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 12, #1074 of 1647 🔗

This may have been posted before. Wow, I thought Israel was bad, but see what a region in Spain is trying to do:

Spain’s Galicia to make Covid vaccine compulsory and fine those who refuse it up to €60K
https://www.thelocal.es/20210223/spains-galicia-to-make-covid-vaccine-compulsory-and-fine-those-who-refuse-it-up-to-60k

434440 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1075 of 1647 🔗

had a chat with my friend who lives in Galicia last night when someone on here mentioned it. they are not keen but its that or move – hey ho – they will have it

434443 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1076 of 1647 🔗

Less than 50 years ago they were shooting people for refusing to give up land and property… sadly not so far from this.
Has anyone made the connection between this ridiculous sums of money. Is this possibly another psy op to make us forget the actual value of money?!!? Preparing us for the great “hyperinflation leading to global crypto currency” ???

434447 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1077 of 1647 🔗

I saw this posted yesterday, awful for that region of Spain. Wondering how this will impact tourism there……no non vaccinated tourists permitted??

434551 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ganjan21, #1078 of 1647 🔗

Exactly, especially traffic from other/the neighbouring provinces?!

434451 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to godowneasy, 14, #1079 of 1647 🔗

I nearly bought it! TOTAL psy op. Unenforceable. Breach of Council of Europe resolution and ECHR. Utter bullshit! Tell anyone living there to ignore it.

434489 ▶▶ RickH, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1080 of 1647 🔗

Sadly, Spain still has a cultural memory of fascism that sometimes surfaces in parts of their society.

(I write as someone who is very fond of Spain – away from the Costa Crap).

434490 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1081 of 1647 🔗

Franco lives

434450 OKUK, 21, #1082 of 1647 🔗

Whitty is a dangerous lunatic. That the GMC and BMA are backing him, is unconscionable.

And Toby – this is what happens when you slip down into the vaccine fly trap. You are drawn down into the corrosive mass medication logic of vaccination. There’s no way out.

434453 Covidiot, replying to Covidiot, 27, #1083 of 1647 🔗

I was thinking today about the Spanish flu. I was thinking about how it killed people with healthy immune systems and how horrible and numerous the deaths were. Compared to covid it was horrific.

I asked myself whether I would be happy for the government to interfere and put restrictions on my home and family life in these circumstances.

If we had a pandemic as bad as in 1919, people would have realised the danger quickly and taken necessary precautions, they wouldn’t have needed to be scared witless with a state propaganda machine.

I came to the conclusion that there can never be a justification for this in ANY circumstance. People must be free to make their own decisions about their health, lives and those of their loved ones.

If not, if we give these freedoms away forever (which seems a reasonable possibility) we have lost living.

Bit of a rant, you’ve probably heard it before, but whatever the arguments about data etc, that’s the crux of it for me.

434459 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Covidiot, 7, #1084 of 1647 🔗

There is a theory that most of the deaths of the healthy young during the Paella Flu was due to aspirin overdose
They used to chug the stuff like crazy at the first sign of symptoms
The elderly not so much

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091002132346.htm

434487 ▶▶▶ Covidiot, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #1085 of 1647 🔗

A feature of the disease was that it caused the immune system to turn against itself – therefore the peak morbidity age was 28.

Governments tried to actually suppress data on deaths in the early stages because of war propaganda (totally opposite to now, they underplayed it’s seriousness). Could the aspirin story have been used as propaganda to underplay seriousness to enemies?

Not disputing the theory but seems unlikely this would have such an affect on the average age of death, especially as we know so much about the disease now in a non-politicised way

434542 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Covidiot, 3, #1086 of 1647 🔗

Apparently, and I could be wrong as I’m remembering from an article I read a few years ago, Bayers patent ran out in the first world war and they were desperate to get rid of as much as possible before the competition got hold of the trademark. There is evidence to show a correlation between aspirin overdose and death from Spanish Flu.

Now fast forward 100 years.

434557 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1087 of 1647 🔗

Yes, like a few of those fraudulent HCQ studies last spring whereby they gave patients 10x the recommended dose and killed them.

434700 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jonny S., #1088 of 1647 🔗

Tat was an article on medium.com I am sure you’ll find it if you search for it

434543 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Covidiot, 1, #1089 of 1647 🔗

Possibly a combination of factors
However there were accounts of many people developing symptoms and dying very suddenly – which is not really the MO of flu death
Just a theory

434553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Covidiot, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1090 of 1647 🔗

I mean they knew absolutely bollocks all about how to treat it so it’s very possible that they used the wrong drugs at first

434578 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Covidiot, 2, #1091 of 1647 🔗

The young and the old were under represented in deaths. Aspirin was very cheap. Just came out of patent. And people were advised to take huge doses. Caused bleeding in lungs

434619 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to rose, 2, #1092 of 1647 🔗

Also the experimental meningococcal vaccine that was injected into soldiers at Fort riley. https://fort-russ.com/2020/05/did-psychopath-rockefeller-create-the-spanish-flu-pandemic-of-1918/

434611 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Covidiot, 1, #1093 of 1647 🔗

Whatever it was, it mainly killed younger people. The Kaiser got it at 59 or so and survived it, Franz Kafka got it in his late 30s, survived it and eventually died of TB, a more chronic health threat at the time.

434550 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1094 of 1647 🔗

most of the deaths”

No – it may have been a contributory factor.

434471 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Covidiot, 5, #1095 of 1647 🔗

I think I have come round to that way of thinking. It’s a bit like the law against torture. Under our law there are no circumstances where involuntary physical torture of an individual is allowed either by a private person or the state. Of course, we can all think of circumstances where we might personally sanction it (e.g. the old “terrorist knows whereabouts of nuclear bomb about to explode in centre of city” scenario). But trying to frame laws for such exceptional circumstances would destroy the principle and practice of not torturing people.

So, I think we should embed the principle of freedom into our constitution and our laws.

434472 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Covidiot, 3, #1096 of 1647 🔗

Fauci confirmed awhiel ago that every Spanish flu death was actually pneumonia.

434484 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Covidiot, 4, #1097 of 1647 🔗

It also has to be remembered that Spanish Flu came and went within a few years without any meaningful interventions as have many other viruses and diseases throughout history. In short, natural human biology dealt with the problem. No doubt zealots would argue the NPI’s have prevented a much larger death toll but better people than me have disputed this and even if they have the cost and other losses have been way, way too high.

434510 ▶▶▶ Covidiot, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 4, #1098 of 1647 🔗

I think people would just take their own NPIs because even without the media, if something was that bad they’d see the affects on people they know.

It’s just up to the state and it’s puppets to give us the facts and tell us what we can do at that stage … not lock us up and deny rights to family and home life – people would listen because as intelligent life-forms we have a keen sense of risk and danger.

434485 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Covidiot, 19, #1099 of 1647 🔗

I agree.If this was a real pandemic then everybody would have made their own decision to limit contact and the government would have been begging people to go to work,to maintain life.
Instead we have the opposite situation.

434548 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1100 of 1647 🔗

You don’t need a mask or any other mandate in a real pandemic.
Nor any tesring to see whether you have it.
Anyone with an IQ above 50 will hold these truths to be self-
evident.

434529 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Covidiot, 1, #1101 of 1647 🔗

Bit of rant – but a very good one – worth repeating!

434552 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Covidiot, 3, #1102 of 1647 🔗

yes, absolutely – none of this would be the right thing to do if there was actually a real disease going around, rather than a fake, made up one

434624 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Covidiot, 3, #1103 of 1647 🔗

If you want a really good conspiracy theory 1918 was the year that large, high power radio communications started worldwide and hence a huge increase in EMFs worldwide which cause influenza-like illnesses.

434454 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #1104 of 1647 🔗

Four legal academics, 3 from Oxford, advise the UK Government on how to facillitate bypassing the Human Rights Act without the requirement for new legislation, in order to detain (via sectioning) non-conformists under the Mental Health Act, so they can be forcibly vaccinated. (Document on government website).

https://gab.com/Cutting_Edge/posts/105792053550931938
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/html/

434463 ▶▶ Will, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 18, #1105 of 1647 🔗

Fucking hell that is frightening.

434603 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Will, 1, #1106 of 1647 🔗

Anarchist flag?
or is it Black and Red for Anarchists (It was in the Spanish civil war I believe).

434465 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 16, #1107 of 1647 🔗

Interesting. Real ‘ Hate Speech’, I think, by any rational definition.

What disgusting scum – the acolytes of Mengele.

I reckon detention under the Mental Health Act for them would be a generous fate.

434538 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 7, #1108 of 1647 🔗

… and, of course, any individual would be morally entitled to use anything up to and including lethal force to repel such an assault on their integrity. The historical equivalent would be that of resisting a concentration camp guard or member of the SS.

Imagine society entering into that state of conflict.

What consequence-free nutter advice!

434549 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to RickH, 7, #1109 of 1647 🔗

I wish I had a gun. I wish I had some lethal drug so that when the moment came I could go out on my own terms.

434625 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1110 of 1647 🔗

Why do ya think they took your right to them away! They want nothing less than TOTAL CONTROL.

434600 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to RickH, 2, #1111 of 1647 🔗

Morally entitled? Morally obligated, I would say.

434532 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 8, #1112 of 1647 🔗

They know they are doing evil hence the need to try and circumvent

434718 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1113 of 1647 🔗

Why would anyone want to bypass the Human Rights Act unless they themselves were not human.

434561 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1114 of 1647 🔗

They would have to find me first

434563 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 5, #1115 of 1647 🔗

to anyone thinking of forcibly vaccinating me: it will be the last fucking thing you ever do

434586 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #1116 of 1647 🔗

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“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” – HL Mencken

434622 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), -1, #1117 of 1647 🔗

That could be confused with other lefty nonsense, i’m surprised they haven’t adopted it already.

434589 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1118 of 1647 🔗

Note the date this was written. All planned!

The law permits compulsory interference with bodily integrity under mental health law. This derogation from the common law principle of no treatment without consent is compatible with the ECHR. It is arguable that if compulsory treatment under mental health law is compatible with human rights law, so too is compulsory vaccination. Importantly, the same protected interest—that in bodily integrity—is at stake in the two contexts the mental health parity argument compares.

22/07/2020

434668 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #1119 of 1647 🔗

Isra Black is a labour advisor

434721 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1120 of 1647 🔗

What a surprise.

434709 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #1121 of 1647 🔗

Have these people no shame? Seriously considering sectioning people under the mental health act for refusing a vaccine (still under trials) for a virus with a 99.8% chance of survival and injecting them?

Dr Lisa Forsberg*, Dr Isra Black**, Dr Thomas Douglas*, Dr Jonathan Pugh*

Are on my list.

This is vile.

434809 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, #1122 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps you could forward this to that German lawyer. I forget his name.

Edit: his name is Reiner Fuellmich.

434456 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #1123 of 1647 🔗

France is supposed to be way behind on vaccination…but deaths are falling preciptately from their early Jan high.

434458 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to OKUK, 21, #1124 of 1647 🔗

everywhere seems to be having the same drop – reckon it could be seasonal 😉

434466 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to steve_w, 4, #1125 of 1647 🔗

Surely it has to be

434478 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to isobar, 4, #1126 of 1647 🔗

it clearly is – but the modellers haven’t realised it yet

hence they are predicting a phenomenal midsummer spike

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963565/S1130_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_further_modelling_of_easing_restrictions.pdf

434486 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to steve_w, 6, #1127 of 1647 🔗

So the modellers are signaling what planks they are, then.

434491 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to awildgoose, 10, #1128 of 1647 🔗

anybody that doesn’t think this is an obvious seasonal virus has got ‘issues’

434508 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to steve_w, 2, #1129 of 1647 🔗

A third wave composed of ‘positive tests’.

434620 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to steve_w, 2, #1130 of 1647 🔗

Won’t that be about when the second jab reactions kick in?

434576 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, 3, #1131 of 1647 🔗

Bit like when Mike Yeardon speaking to a sage member being confused where the missing 500k dead were as the model predicted.

434597 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, 4, #1132 of 1647 🔗

Carl Heneghan called this last fucking July . How long do these SPI-M twats need to catch up?

434468 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, 12, #1133 of 1647 🔗

The vaccinations and lockdowns we have are that powerful they work remotely as well.

Can’t be naything to do with what the immune system and viruses do naturally can it?

434503 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to OKUK, 13, #1134 of 1647 🔗

I understand a large number of the French have said ‘ Non merci Monsieur Grannyfucker’.

434610 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #1135 of 1647 🔗

“Foutez le camp M. Foutreur des Vieilles Dames”

434593 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to OKUK, #1136 of 1647 🔗

Wouldn’t be herd immunity by any chance?

434470 Tiberius, replying to Tiberius, 23, #1137 of 1647 🔗

If anyone else says to me “just think how bad it would have been without lockdown” I’m going to ask Corporal Jones if I can borrow his bayonet.

434480 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Tiberius, 14, #1138 of 1647 🔗

“…and that’s when I ripped his head off and kicked it out the window, your honour.”

434606 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Katabasis, 4, #1139 of 1647 🔗

“I killed them all and that’s all I’m going to say under questioning.”

434527 ▶▶ Covidiot, replying to Tiberius, 16, #1140 of 1647 🔗

Fuck me … haven’t had that yet, had a member of my team on a video call say that she hopes we all continue to wear masks in the long term. I had to switch my video off and scream.

434571 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Covidiot, 4, #1141 of 1647 🔗

Just say anything not to see your ugly mug. Then update your CV.

434592 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Covidiot, 2, #1142 of 1647 🔗

Time for my favourite description of people like her: TOSSER or TOSSORESS perhaps?

434591 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Tiberius, 1, #1143 of 1647 🔗

They don’t like it up ’em, sir, they do not like it up ’em!

434482 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 16, #1144 of 1647 🔗

Takeaway pints from 12 April https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/25/takeaway-pints-can-be-served-from-april-12-as-pub-gardens-reopen-14145067/

Only just 7 weeks away. How generous this Government is. Let’s hope that this welcome prize is not snatched away from us.

434494 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to arfurmo, 21, #1145 of 1647 🔗

Don’t fall into the trap of considering this to be a prize. Nothing short of old normal is a worth having.

434498 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 11, #1146 of 1647 🔗

It was ironic Dave

434499 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1147 of 1647 🔗

Fair play. Sorry.

434506 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 12, #1148 of 1647 🔗

Indeed – they are returning rights that were in no position to take in the first place.

434544 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 10, #1149 of 1647 🔗

I remind my daughter of this when she says she’d just be happy if she could see her friends and go to a restaurant again. I tell to please not aim so low and to not be satisfied with anything less than what her life was like in 2019.

434674 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1150 of 1647 🔗

Yep – not Build Back Better but Full Freedom Forever.

434574 ▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #1151 of 1647 🔗

Couldn’t agree more

434614 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 1, #1152 of 1647 🔗

You’re so right : getting compliance by feeding people little doggy treats after giving them a good thrashing is one of the oldest political tricks in the book.

434515 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1153 of 1647 🔗

Unless there has been a mass pub bailout that I am not aware of, how many are going to be left that will be in a position to reopen in the first place?

434573 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1154 of 1647 🔗

They can stick their Take Away Pints I will not take part in any of these stupid games . haven’t since last April won’t start now

434744 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry Chara, 2, #1155 of 1647 🔗

Tricky one -a pint for £4 or four 500ml bottles for £5 .Hard on the publican I know .

434514 Biker, replying to Biker, 56, #1156 of 1647 🔗

Evil motherfuckers want to force their alien fucking vaccine on you and to make you show papers wherever you go forever and forever and some of our fellow countrymen think this is just fucking dandy. Utter wankers. Anyone who says we should force vaccines on anyone is a threat to humanity and should suffer as such. Never gonna take their shit, never gonna have their papers and will fight till my dying fucking breath to maintain this. The evil that has taken over our government needs sorting out. Are there any of these motherfuckers in parliament gonna stand up for our rights? Who is gonna save us from them?

434524 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Biker, 19, #1157 of 1647 🔗

NHS staff are the litmus test for mandating the vaccine for the whole population. It’s been coming since March last year. No one is coming to save us.

434547 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Richard O, 6, #1158 of 1647 🔗

Were the NHS workers first in line to get the vaccine and then it changed, the government said it was for the more vulnerable to get the vaccine, it was then published that a large majority of the NHS workers had refused it?

434615 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richard O, 4, #1159 of 1647 🔗

I’ve been expecting this mandating of vaccines for years, back in the day when the guardian was relatively normal & comment was actually free, the vaccine authoritarian movement was growing even then, it’s that hypocritical illiberal streak in liberals (self-preservation)!

I note Obomber today asserting Americans should pay reparations for slavery, the irony a multi-millionaire black man who was president claiming white privilege prevented him implementing that policy himself.

Any sincere liberal leftist should go out to find the nearest ethnic poor person & give them half of everything they own, & repeat until they have nothing, lets see how much they really care, if someone proposes that policy.

434517 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #1160 of 1647 🔗

Just had a quick glance at comments on the DT and DM c19 related articles. Would say more than 50% are generally at least sceptic or downright hostile to government lies now. Warmer weather, the tide turning, finally..

434733 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nickbowes, #1161 of 1647 🔗

We need to stop saying the tide is turning.It never is.

434522 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1162 of 1647 🔗

Another UK care home company announces ‘no jab, no job’ coronavirus vaccine policy Weren’t they complaining about the lack of staff a few months back?

434731 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1163 of 1647 🔗

They certainly will be a few months hence.

434523 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., #1164 of 1647 🔗
434594 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jonny S., #1165 of 1647 🔗

deleted

434554 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1167 of 1647 🔗

The comments are hilarious

434566 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1168 of 1647 🔗

Yep, the vaccine came to late for him, just like the hundreds of others who seem to get covid within minutes of getting the poison.

434784 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1169 of 1647 🔗

An in law relative of mine has had terrible sinus pain since receiving the vaccination. Might not be fatal or even very serious but it is an illness she didn’t have prior to the vaccination and may signal odd things are happening to her physiology (she’s had the sinus pain for over a week now). Yes it could be coincidence but she was certainly looking forward to having the vaccine so I don’t think it’s psychosomatic.

434568 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Cecil B, 3, #1170 of 1647 🔗

So many defending any insinuation about their holy grail snake oil!

434664 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mic67, #1171 of 1647 🔗

Usually with the anecdote, “I just had a sore arm and a but dizzy”

Thats OK then. Vaccine passports and permalockdown it is then.

434640 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1172 of 1647 🔗

Aahh, a ‘temporal association’ with vaccination. Just coincidence.

434645 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1173 of 1647 🔗

He had been shielding for 9 months or so. So he must have had a contributing (mis-)health condition.

434735 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Silke David, #1174 of 1647 🔗

Why was he shielding?

434533 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 19, #1175 of 1647 🔗

I had the funniest experience yesterday, but overall positive. First, I was able to go back to my yoga teacher for the first time since before Christmas, which was great. On my way back home I decided to stop into a little general store to see if they would either let me in without a mask or serve me outside. I stood in the vestibule where there was a screened door and called to a guy working there to ask if I could come in without a mask. He wasn’t wearing one — it was down by his chin. He said he’d have to ask the store owner, who appeared quickly and was also not wearing a mask. So I’m speaking to two maskless guys through a screened door and asking if I can come in without a mask. Bizarre, to say the least. I ordered lunch through the screen and asked if they wanted me to wait outside, whereby the owner said I could come inside. He put his mask on when I entered, but I was able to get what I came for and not compromise my principles. He acknowledged that 99% of people were on board with masking and I told him I was among the 1%. It seemed he was unaware of mask exemptions written into the law. Clearly he and his staff are not wearing their masks when nobody is in the shop. I thanked him and said I will support any local business that is respectful. One more shop added to the very small list of places I can go. I definitely get better results from small, local businesses which is why our governments seem to want to put them out of business.

434730 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1176 of 1647 🔗

Don’t ask. Walk in. If you are exempt, they can’t stop you without being guilty of discrimination.

434534 Anti_socialist, 11, #1177 of 1647 🔗
434537 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 26, #1178 of 1647 🔗

Took a walk just now to see the state of the anti lockdown stickers. It looks like the “No to Mandatory vaccines” stickers gets the most treatment. Many removed or defaced, but it looks like sticking them on glass is very difficult to remove with just the edges torn off. Looks like so many people out there want to inject my body with an experimental gene therapy. What’s their problem if they take it they should be safe, no?

434569 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Andrew K, 11, #1179 of 1647 🔗

Is it many people? Is it ‘ordinary’ members of the public who are removing our materials?

It seems very thorough. While the state of the pro-Covid propaganda is always immaculate…

Is taxpayers’ money being spent on the rapid removal of our stickers, posters, etc.? Certainly, a great deal of effort is being expended on maintaining a public environment that is fully Covidian in appearance.

434643 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ovis, 4, #1180 of 1647 🔗

It is probably an outraged Covid true believers,My friend used to put a trump sticker on a lamppost at Piccadilly Circus to see how long it lasted.A couple of days was the record.

434699 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1181 of 1647 🔗

But as far as I can see, none of our stuff ever survives a morning.

434585 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Andrew K, #1182 of 1647 🔗

Glass is the easiest just need a razor blade & some water.

434608 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Anti_socialist, #1183 of 1647 🔗

Who walks around with a razor and water.

434690 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Andrew K, #1184 of 1647 🔗

The property owner

434570 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #1185 of 1647 🔗

Has here ever been an example of a Dictator relinquishing power peacefully, or do they all end in violence?

434575 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1186 of 1647 🔗

Sulla retired peacefully, having reformed the Roman constitution.

Diocletian retired peacefully to his great big bungalow in Dalmatia.

434582 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ovis, #1187 of 1647 🔗

Where did you get your information from?

434598 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ovis, 3, #1188 of 1647 🔗

Hitler lived in South Africa till he died in 1965 but i guess you could say he didn’t go quietly so i don’t think my comment helps any

434604 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1189 of 1647 🔗

Franco?

434642 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1190 of 1647 🔗

Pinochet did and look what happened to him.Its very rare in history.
They are either defeated in war,deposed by a palace coup.Revolution or dying peacefully in bed

434659 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1191 of 1647 🔗

All the Warsaw Pact dictators except Ceacesco.

434572 dommo, replying to dommo, 14, #1192 of 1647 🔗

sorry for being thick, but when we see headlines like this:-

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/uk-health-authorities-announce-not-single-case-flu-detected-year

are they being heavily ironic, or do they actually believe it’s true?

cheers

434613 ▶▶ leggy, replying to dommo, 1, #1193 of 1647 🔗

Well, it’s in the mainstream too:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9295743/NO-cases-influenza-detected-England-year-social-distancing-measures.html

Quickly disappeared from the home page of course.

434617 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, 5, #1194 of 1647 🔗

As I always say:

Flu has also sisappeared in Sweden and Belarus where SD and masks are not implemented.

Flu did not disappear in Cambodia, which has had virtually no covid

434683 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to leggy, #1195 of 1647 🔗

The perceived need for lockdown is clear evidence, SD & masks don’t work.

434666 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to dommo, 2, #1196 of 1647 🔗

I keep saying that the establishment are suffering collective insanity. No-one could possibly believe this twaddle if they are actually in a position to know, nor does it fit the vax narrative. Whatever conspiracy or reset is under way, its actually running out of control – reminds me of the French Revolution a bit.

434696 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to redbirdpete, 3, #1197 of 1647 🔗

It’s one of those collective periods of insanity/mass hysteria that mankind goes through every so often. I don’t say we on here are exempt either – I think there’s a tendency for people on here to catastrophise, which is all part of the problem as well.

434727 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1198 of 1647 🔗

Agree.

434707 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1199 of 1647 🔗

The psyops has actually worked on the government as well as it has on the majority of the population. They are all running in never ending circles of hysteria with not one person willing to say stop.

434703 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to dommo, 1, #1200 of 1647 🔗

Nobody is looking for flu therefore there has been no detection in cases. Everyone is looking for coronavirus and guess what!

434724 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to dommo, 4, #1201 of 1647 🔗

Everyone admitted to hospital is tested for covid, so if you have flu symptoms & test positive for covid why would they assume its flu? That’s the problem with tests that are confirmed by symptoms, the reverse of normal medical SOP.

434581 Just about sane, replying to Just about sane, 33, #1202 of 1647 🔗

Visited another out of area beach today, actually two beaches.
Myself, my daughter and my three grandsons set off to the shore for a treasure hunt. Cold blustery February day but it was so beautiful, blue skies, sun having a sneaky peak out and the sound of the waves was bliss. We watched the kitesurfers as they were out in force, it’s the most I’ve seen in Scotland, the first time I witnessed this sport was in Kenya which was a lot warmer than February in Scotland, I could have watched them for hours.

We did the treasure hunt, this was the children’s schooling today and the two younger boys are both just released from house arrest yesterday because of covid, so lots of fresh air and ‘essential’ exercise. Lots of laughs and a few arguments later we finished having reached the end.

Not to waste the illicit outing, we headed to the next seaside town and stopped at our favourite fish shop for fish suppers and sat in the car next to the beach to eat them and then went to the playpark until the heavens opened up, I cheated and sat in the car watching the hills of Arran disappear as the rain came in.

Back into town for ice cream, then headed back to our area and home.

It was another day of making memories with my grandchildren but we were not the only ones.
Lots of people mainly young mums and friends and retired generation, a lot sitting on summer seats drinking coffee with friends. There was a few mask wearers outside but a lot were wearing the neck warmer ones, so could have been covered for the cold.

Today is a good day.

434662 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Just about sane, 9, #1203 of 1647 🔗

Sounds lovely. I’ve spent a blissful few hours sorting out my garden. Had a curious robin for company most of the time and who knew that ladybirds seem to like euphorbias. But I digress. For a few hours at least, I forgot about the shitshow.

434725 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 9, #1204 of 1647 🔗

I had a lovely ride through the woods, horse in a good mood, everything beginning to smell of living things growing, snowdrops and primroses everywhere, warm and sunny, springtime. The Covid brutes can’t spoil that.

434684 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Just about sane, 7, #1205 of 1647 🔗

Had a good walk today in the country around a well known East Anglian market town. Not many people around but no maskoids – didn’t see a single one – and on narrow paths there were no swervers, just a couple of polite ‘waiters’ (which I don’t mind so much). Tons of cars on the roads as well, this during the normally quiet hours of the afternoon.

434739 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1206 of 1647 🔗

I see the government/NHS are actually recommending swerving. That’s how you get killed in some locations – as you swerve into the path of a vehicle or cyclist.

434584 Biker, replying to Biker, 99, #1207 of 1647 🔗

I just want to breathe again, know what i mean? I don’t wan’t to think of any of this. I don’t want to think about it when i buying rolls in the morning, i don’t want to see adverts telling me to be safe, i don’t want the motorway signs telling me to stay home, i don’t want to hear about people i don’t know dying, i don’t want to know about NHS workers doing their job which they’re paid from by forcibly taking my fucking money, i don’t want to see facemarks lying around the ground, i don’t want to stand two meters apart from other animals, i don’t want to wash my fucking hands in some goo, i don’t want to hear some dumb fuck tell me that i’m wrong and this virus is deadly when there are no more people dying than you’d normally get give or take a little, i don’t want to listen to some politician tell an obvious lie not because they’re aware of it but because they’re to fucking stupid to check out what they’re being told for themselves, i don’t want Michael fucking Gove to have any power over a man like me, i don’t want to hear that poisons ugly mother fucker Sturgeon tell me it’s unprecedented or i should stick with it and i especially don’t want to hear anyone whatsoever who’s got anything to do with the nonces at the BBC.

434616 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Biker, 52, #1208 of 1647 🔗

Hear hear. Totally echo every word. Without trying to sound victim-y, no one has given a shit about me, my life or my health for 50+ years. I am fed up of being held hostage by a health service and a load of virtue signaling twats.

434720 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Mic67, 6, #1209 of 1647 🔗

I’m innately suspicious of strangers who claim to care about me and my health.

434680 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Biker, 13, #1210 of 1647 🔗

Well said Biker my sentiments exactly

434723 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 7, #1211 of 1647 🔗

Nor me, Biker. Nor me.

434738 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biker, 4, #1212 of 1647 🔗

Yep, we’d all love to stop seething and start breathing again.

434754 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Biker, 3, #1213 of 1647 🔗

Totally Biker, totally.

434800 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Biker, 4, #1214 of 1647 🔗

You and a growing number of people.

434588 Old Bill, 6, #1215 of 1647 🔗

A fairly unreliable source (the internet) tells me that the average pay for taking part in clinical trials is about £100/day (plus expenses actually, but we’ll ignore that).

The current clinical trial that Bozo has signed up the British public too will last for at least 12 weeks (the time between jabs) and must of course continue after the second jab to assess any ongoing problems, so for a very conservative estimate (the irony of that sentence is not lost on me) lets say 100 days.

Now let us say that he actually cajoles or coerces 50% of the population to join in the fun (again a very conservative estimate) so for round figures 30,000,000 people.

So 30,000,000peoplex100daysx100pounds = 300 billion pounds he should earn from each company whose products are being trialled.

As you can see that is more than enough for a bit of extra furlough plus a generous remainder to finance his absconding to a country with whom we don’t have an extradition treaty as soon as the 30 million guinea pigs come to realise that they have been royally conned (they already know they have been, but are still in denial, that won’t last for ever).

Maybe this is the magic money tree?

434595 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, #1216 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps I am a bit slow?

Who or what is ATL? I’ve come across a number of refs to it in comments. Thanks

434602 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Robin Birch, 1, #1217 of 1647 🔗

Above The Line. The stuff that isn’t in the comments

434607 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Jonny S., #1218 of 1647 🔗

Cheers for that

434632 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Robin Birch, #1219 of 1647 🔗

Above the Line, i.e. the LS article above the comments.

434745 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Robin Birch, #1220 of 1647 🔗

ATL = above the line (blog text)
BTL = below the line (reader comments to ATL)

434601 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #1221 of 1647 🔗

The Great Lockdown Debate: Chris Snowdon vs. Toby Young | 24-Feb-21
Premieres on Youtube in a few mins.

Of course we are supposed to be respectful to those who disagree with our positions, but having regard to the track record on that by the bedwetters so far, let’s see how the decent, upstanding Toby gets on against the contemptible, weak-minded, backsliding, hypocritical worm Snowdon.

434677 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #1222 of 1647 🔗

Good post, though if i’m honest my freedom isn’t open to debate, it can only be taken by force!

p.s. ffs audio is fffing hideous.

434799 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mark, 2, #1223 of 1647 🔗

surely it depends on the position: if it’s a question like whether or not a movie needs to be seen at the cinema in order to be fully enjoyed, then I agree courteous gentlemanly debate is in order, but when the question is whether or not genocide is sometimes justified, then surely the only appropriate response is ‘go fuck yourself you nazi scum’ ?

434618 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1224 of 1647 🔗

Can the government force you to have the coronavirus vaccine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBrzN7d3qw&list=WL&index=30

434627 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 11, #1225 of 1647 🔗

If there is one lesson to be learned from the last year it is that the government can do anything it wants. So the answer to this question is unequivocally yes.

434634 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Richard O, 4, #1226 of 1647 🔗

Sadly very true.

434638 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Richard O, 11, #1227 of 1647 🔗

There are enough of us to stop it. And we will.

434675 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Richard O, 2, #1228 of 1647 🔗

In Spain, people are being fined up to 60,000 euros for not complying. I guess if they threatened to put me in so much debt I’d lose my home I would end up having the jab. What kind of a world have we found ourselves living in?

434698 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to jos, 1, #1229 of 1647 🔗

Not yet they aren’t.

The Galician regional govt have put forward the bill but at the moment the national govt don’t want this so they have the ultimate say. There are also a lot of other parties in Galicia who are against it.

So its not quite done yet but its interesting that they want to bring it in.

434795 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #1230 of 1647 🔗

It’s not that the government doesn’t want it. They would need to change the constitution and that isn’t so easy.

That is what makes the UK such a frightening place these days. There is no constitutional backstop. What parliament says with a simple majority goes.

It worked when it was assumed everyone was sensible. But it’s a dangerous set up when hijacked by sociopaths.

434791 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to jos, #1231 of 1647 🔗

Steady on. The regional government of Galicia has passed a regulation to that effect. But it is in breach of a constitutional right, which means it doesn’t have the authority to do that, which means it’s not happening.

434711 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 1, #1232 of 1647 🔗

I’m afraid you are right and, at least here, the judiciary is MIA. We don’t have a functioning court system and I’m not at all convinced a judge would respect past precedent because of course we all know that this is an “unprecedented” pandemic. I stopped saying, “they can’t possibly do…” a long time ago as they persisted in doing everything we thought to be impossible in a democratic country. Our only hope is that enough people don’t comply, but that hope is quickly fading as more and more equate compliance with getting our freedoms back. And these morons don’t even see the contradiction.

434789 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1233 of 1647 🔗

I wish I was American. I would have a gun, and I wouldn’t hesitate to use it against anyone who tried to stab me with a needle. I would shoot them in the face. I also need some kind of fatal drug concoction so that I can at least choose to die free of ‘the mark of the beast’ – but 1) I don’t know how I would obtain it and 2) I’m not sure I could trust myself not to use it before that final decisive moment came [like buying booze a long time before Christmas] I have no useful skillsets for living in the ‘end times’

434872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1234 of 1647 🔗

I have no useful skillsets for living in the ‘end times’

you do

I wouldn’t hesitate to use it against anyone …….. I would shoot them in the face

434651 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1235 of 1647 🔗

Interesting, the problem with these forums is that they are full of barrack room lawyers, though one wonders if this knowledgable barrister realizes politicians have no respect for the law, Johnson in particular. Sadly my faith in the judiciary was lost long ago.

434657 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1236 of 1647 🔗

Can your employer dismiss you if you refuse the coronavirus vaccine? Is another interesting, but alarming, video post from the same barrister.

434663 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, #1237 of 1647 🔗

OPEN LETTER re VACCINATION MANDATES BY EMPLOYERS FOR EMPLOYEES OR POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES

6034d75d99ca064068db36c5_UKMFA_L4L_Workers_Union-Employers_Vaccine_Open_Letter.pdf

434673 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 1, #1238 of 1647 🔗

As the “barristers” video above asserts, I think on an individual basis the refusenik employee will be the loser in most cases. This can only be effectively confronted by the unions, what is their position on vaccines?

434838 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, #1239 of 1647 🔗

Maybe when there is a properly trialled and approved vaccine available.
Not the rushed and only emergency approved gene therapies currently on offer and administered.

434903 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JayBee, #1240 of 1647 🔗

Its government approved! But it’s a defence you can try in the courts, good luck.

434681 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 10, #1241 of 1647 🔗

It is clearly stated both in international laws and UK laws regarding drug administration, vaccines that coercion and mandating are unlawful…end of. This I feel is just to terrorise the population in taking the vaccine, and as many comments here appear to feel that we can be forced to take a vaccine, let alone an experimental one shows that the media and government are doing a good job.

434621 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 12, #1242 of 1647 🔗

This is so absurd that it almost makes you laugh. This is from the government’s Yellow Card Scheme, updated to 14th Feb.

“Usage of the AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.” 🤣 🤣 🤣

If you want to check out this bizarre and ridiculous statement, it can be seen here..

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

434636 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Redundant Pilot, 23, #1243 of 1647 🔗

Age 85 and died – RONA they scream.

Age 85 took the poison and died – Nothing to see here they scream.

Science.

434678 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #1244 of 1647 🔗

So from that rapid increase of use, there has been an increase in deaths, so from that if the vaccine use decreases by my logic deaths would decrease, and yet the vaccine is not causing deaths!

434693 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Redundant Pilot, 19, #1245 of 1647 🔗

I’ll keep repeating it because it’s so good: Vaccines are now the leading cause of coincidences.

434694 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1246 of 1647 🔗

That’s great. Mind if I use on the blackboard Lisa?

434701 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 1, #1247 of 1647 🔗

It’s not mine, so share often! It was a comment I read on another site but I keep repeating it because it’s so good. I’ve actually been keeping a list of pithy comments and quotes since the beginning and trot them out when appropriate.

434708 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1248 of 1647 🔗

Me too! I get many disapproving looks for my impertinence! But the board also attracts people in who are relieved they’re not the only sceptic in the town.

434841 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Redundant Pilot, #1249 of 1647 🔗

Having browsed the yellow card reports I can report that influenza is not dead.
It lives on, in reduced circumstances, as a side effect of the vaccines.

434623 Cumbriacracked, 1, #1250 of 1647 🔗

Will people actually watch this kind of thing? I am presuming all the non LS will be glued to their TV’s. I somehow think it will show PM as a clever, empathetic, doing his best for the country sort of chap?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9299383/FIRST-LOOK-Kenneth-Branagh-transforms-Boris-Johnson.html

434626 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #1251 of 1647 🔗

Just looked at the Freddie Sayers Unherd piece “ Freddie Sayers in UnHerd is dismayed to find the nation now grateful to be promised scraps of freedom by our captors”

Actually – what is remarkable is the tameness of his revolt! That’s the real marker.

434741 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 1, #1252 of 1647 🔗

Has Freddie Sayers tried to get a big demo in central London organised? No. These commentators should lead from the front.

Reminds me – have the government said when it will be legal to have a non socially distanced demo in central London? I think there could be a big turn out against digital passports, mandatory masking and all the other regulations that are going to remain in place, once people knew it would be a legal demo – if it was organised by the right sort of people (Hitchens, Pearson, Liddle, Delingpole and so on).

434630 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 12, #1253 of 1647 🔗

Aside from a few oases of sanity like these comments, I see no sign of the tide turning against the imposition of a permanent technocratic slave state. Our defeat has been total, and it needs a miracle of Biblical proportions to turn it round at this stage.

434646 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Richard O, 12, #1254 of 1647 🔗

Yes indeed I was surprised today when Devon Live put out an item from Exeter MP Ben Bradshaw who was calling for an earlier dropping of lock-down for Devon given our very low Covid numbers;
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/exeter-mp-ben-bradshaw-calls-5043291?__vfz=medium%3Demail_notification#vf-01818b23-214b-4907-ae9d-ac9f1aa37310
The comments from my fellow Devonians were very much against this suggestion and despite the lack of Covid in this area wanted the restrictions to continue! Makes you wonder if they will ever be happy to live normally again? or even if they really want to?

434661 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1255 of 1647 🔗

Those are local rag Mirror sites, heavily moderated and inhabited by paid employees. They are no real guide.

434671 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1256 of 1647 🔗

I think online comments, at least on mainstream articles, will gradually become more pro-lockdown, but this is a good sign – the rest are going to be outside enjoying the spring sunshine and getting on with life, while the people left indoors will be the True Believers, terrified that the security blanket of lockdown may be about to be taken from them.

434710 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1257 of 1647 🔗

One of the interesting features is that the south west has had remarkably low numbers over the last year. The reaction of the populace is so out of proportion as to be in the realm of the ludicrous.

434743 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1258 of 1647 🔗

Jeez, I wouldn’t take any notice of anything written by the brainless readers of Devon Live. There’s a reason why the main Torquay United online board is called ‘Beyond the Penn Inn Roundabout’ (hosted by an ‘exile’, obvs) … it’s because most of the people in this neck of the woods (ie most of Devon) never venture more than one town away, and have the world outlook to match.

Frankly, I’m truly surprised Torquay’s numbers are so low, given the vast numbers of ‘on the sick’, drunks and druggies that inhabit the place. All I can think is that they’re reporting numbers correctly (ie actually ‘of’ rather than ‘with’).

434686 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Richard O, 11, #1259 of 1647 🔗

While I hold out hope that in the end just such.a miracle will come I share the view regarding all this.

It hit me a short time ago how abject the defeat of all this has actually been for us sceptics.

Yes we have mask exemptions (don’t wear one, never will) same with any vax and SD but the reality is that millions do buy into all this and us by not participating in all can find the isolation is stark.

The purveyors of the narrative have won by virtual of the fact the country we inhabit in today is like nothing before. The message is everywhere – you can’t turn on the radio or the media without it creeping in everywhere such has been the victory.

To me we are small isolated pockets of resistance similar in cause and effect to those same pockets of resistance on the Stalingrad front in 1943. I live in quiet resistance area and even today I have seem groups of people and workers walking the estate on in masks. I find that the most soul destroying thing of all.

I appreciate this is a rather downbeat response but in reality I see no change at the moment. For those expecting this all to end soon or at least on 21st June (interesting date) I think they are deluding themselves. The victory of this scam has been far too successful – more than even the instigators I expect imagined. I don’t see any evidence they are going to pull back now.

434763 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 5, #1260 of 1647 🔗

The last point you make is telling. I don’t think the instigators could have predicted anything like this much success.

434719 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1261 of 1647 🔗

Nothing like defeatism to inspire the troops.

434728 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Annie, 6, #1262 of 1647 🔗

I see it as a pragmatic assessment of the harsh reality that we face. We live in a country where probably upwards of 50 million people have had their psychology irrevocably altered by the greatest propaganda assault in human history.

434786 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Richard O, 3, #1263 of 1647 🔗

If it has changed “irrevocably” so easily, it will change again to a new irrevocable state.

This is going to crumble. I can feel it. People are fed up.

434835 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Annie, #1264 of 1647 🔗

Beware of the Stockdale paradox….

434783 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Richard O, 1, #1265 of 1647 🔗

I see fatigue everywhere.

434635 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 37, #1266 of 1647 🔗

9 million aged 70+ in the UK.
95% have been injected with the poison no later than end of January.

YET in Feb 2021; 13.000 dead from the Rona, avg age is 81…..so for the Vaxx Fascists, or Vaxxists, there are 2 possible answers:

1-Your poison experimental drugs are largely a failure or,
2-The dead come from the 5% of those not injected….which is unlikely….

No fake news questions on the above. No MPs asking the obvious. No ‘scientists’ perusing the data. Nothing.

So now the fucktards want mandatory injections and passports…for a drug which apparently does not work, does not stop tranmission and which has a 99.7% survival.

The age of science the idiots scream. Whatever.

434655 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to FerdIII, 5, #1267 of 1647 🔗

Or more likely most of them didn’t die from Rona at all, just got among many tests a false positive. They test the bejesus out of the old and infirm in care homes and hospitals.

434658 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nottingham69, 7, #1268 of 1647 🔗

The mRNA create the spike protein. Wouldn’t that create a positive with PCR which only needs one of three genes for a positive?

434672 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1269 of 1647 🔗

You may well be right.

434687 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1270 of 1647 🔗

Dr John Lees, the pathologist, appeared to suggest it would when he spoke on Talk Radio in late December I think it was. I think that explains why we see “Covid” deaths rise or remain stubbornly high even after the vulnerable population has been vaccinated.

434848 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1271 of 1647 🔗

I would say so

434656 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 3, #1272 of 1647 🔗

And there is correlation in Israel, Norway, Seychelles, Gibraltar.

Israel reported zero vaccine deaths. Zero

434660 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1273 of 1647 🔗

And UAE has the same correlation.

434682 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1274 of 1647 🔗

But Israel (way ahead of vaccinating its population compared with everywhere else) was very disappointed at the time it took for the vaccine to reduce the death figures (as they would see it).

434782 ▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, #1275 of 1647 🔗

The headline there is that there are 9 million over 70 in Britain.
OF COURSE there is going to be a spike in mortality if a new strain of a virus appears.

And more will come as the population ages further.

434639 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 22, #1276 of 1647 🔗

Possible toxic masks and fraud in Belgium. Quite a story that highlights the dangers of a completely unregulated mask frenzy :

The Belgian government has told people to stop wearing the cloth masks they distributed for free last summer “as a precaution” following the leak of a confidential report from Sciensano, the Belgian Institute for Public Health, that said they may be toxic.
The report, which the government stressed is only the first results of the first phase of a study, found that the masks contain nanoparticles of silver and titanium dioxide that when inhaled could damage the respiratory tract.
“The manufacturer may have emphasized the advantages of those nanoparticles, but not the disadvantages. They can also penetrate the deep airways and cause damage there,” toxicologist Jan Tytgat (KU Leuven) told De Standaard. “Those particles are more common in textile products and they are not prohibited by European regulations, but with the mouth masks they are in a place where we constantly breathe in and out. That’s different from being in a raincoat or boots.”

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/156876/belgian-government-says-to-stop-wearing-the-free-cloth-masks-they-distributed-as-a-precaution/

434647 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1277 of 1647 🔗

Will the crimes never end?

434697 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1279 of 1647 🔗

This is HUGE!

434732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Mic67, 4, #1280 of 1647 🔗

I hope this gets some attention from my local bedwetters. Here it is in blog post form and he is a Prof at QMUL so I may escape the ‘far right’ tag for sharing.

Probability and Risk: UK lighthouse laboratories testing for SARS-COV-2 may have breached WHO Emergency Use Assessment and potentially violated Manufacturer Instructions for Use (probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com)

434713 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1281 of 1647 🔗

Vallance admitted the whole PCR testing regime was a scam on Feb 10 in the press conference.
No one was listening.

434749 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1282 of 1647 🔗

What exactly did he say? Have you got a link?

434924 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to jos, 2, #1283 of 1647 🔗

He said the pcr test was so sensitive that a positive test didn’t mean a person was infectious.
I watched it live and it was on the 10/2/21 press conference.
As usual the paid mouthpieces totally ignored it.

434930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1284 of 1647 🔗

Yes, I too thought that’s what he said.

Prof. Allyson Pollock got the same factoid into a BBC live interview, last November:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHooBIP1GIM

434726 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1285 of 1647 🔗

I’m not sure if it’s more criminal or farcical any more, the lines are blurred.

434842 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to leggy, 1, #1286 of 1647 🔗

They know what they’re doing. They’re not that stupid. I’d go with the former option.

434826 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to leggy, 2, #1287 of 1647 🔗

German politician just arrested for corruption and fraud in conjunction with a mask contract, 650k€.

434650 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to godowneasy, 12, #1288 of 1647 🔗

Only lungfuls of finest Chinesium fabric can save us from debilitating respiratory illness.

434652 ▶▶ Janette, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1289 of 1647 🔗

I see this is another way of killing us through the back door.

434665 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Janette, 3, #1290 of 1647 🔗

Sounds rather like the Chinese rectal Covid tests, to me…

434667 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to godowneasy, 17, #1291 of 1647 🔗

Just another feature of mandating medical treatments on the population without doing any kind of risk assessment. I’m beginning to think the sceptics will inherit the earth — we’ll be the only healthy, functional group left since we don’t wear masks for the most part and a majority of us will not get the “vaccine.”

434676 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 7, #1292 of 1647 🔗

Yes indeed – and this is surely just the tip of the mask iceberg. They have known about this for months. It’s only reported now after a leak. How many more toxic masks have already caused life-long damage? And we are supposed to trust the so-called vaccines.

434715 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1293 of 1647 🔗

Fireproof face knickers now on sale. Asbestos-lined breathing vent. 

434755 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1294 of 1647 🔗

yeh, nice thought, but somehow I don’t think that’s what’s planned for us

434831 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1295 of 1647 🔗

Sadly, we’ll have to work as undertakes most of the time first, then die too because all the doctors have passed away, and we will inherit a dysfunctional distopia only anyway even if we survived.

434669 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to godowneasy, 10, #1296 of 1647 🔗

I remember reading that the disposable ones contain teflon too. Lots of good healthy chemical stuff that you really want to breathe into your lungs all day long.

434844 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Stevey, 2, #1297 of 1647 🔗

I’m currently in the middle of watching Dark Waters, all about DuPont and chemical contamination.

434712 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1298 of 1647 🔗

Trust your government to keep you safe. Yeah.

434736 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1299 of 1647 🔗

That is a huge story so presumably won’t appear anywhere in our MSM.

434648 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1300 of 1647 🔗

Here is Gove’s “work” e-mail for the Cabinet Office if you want to drop him a line:

publiccorrespondence@cabinetoffice.gov.uk

Think I may do a missive this weekend depending on the weather – if nice will be catching up with the gardening, washing the van and drinking beer instead.

434689 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1301 of 1647 🔗

It really won’t take me very long to write a few choice words to the weasel – it may not be constructive but I’ll feel good about it.

434649 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 27, #1302 of 1647 🔗

Some people are commenting on the possibility of mandating vaccines. Legally it will be very difficult and there are too many issues re: discrimination etc and hence probably the reason for manipulation and coercion to push uptake. On the plus side- the vaccines are not effective, still in trials and there are now thousands of adverse reactions officially reported here and Worldwide. They cannot mandate something experimental and harmful. There is something called criminal assault and battery if nothing else.

434742 ▶▶ John001, replying to Suzyv, 8, #1303 of 1647 🔗

It seems a legal minefield with one judge apparently saying that even mental health patients can sometimes have the capacity to refuse treatment

https://eachother.org.uk/medical-consent-human-rights/

So, potentially nice work for the lawyers. Less good for those whom I’d call the conscientious objectors, or people like me who want to know the overall risks and benefits, especially if I am already full of vitamin D and probably immune to most viruses.

I think the government is trying it on. It’s 11 years since the Tory/LD coalition abandoned compulsory ID cards, i.e. a Blair proposal. They’ve got another consultation out until about 11 Mar on digital trust – an Orwellian term, much worse than just an occasional demand for ‘your papers, please’ because you’ll be tracked night and day.

434766 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Suzyv, 2, #1304 of 1647 🔗

Never going to happen.
It’s all threats and intimidation, but they’ll never follow through.

434770 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Suzyv, 1, #1305 of 1647 🔗

“They cannot mandate something experimental and harmful.”
They won’t need to. They’ll just let everyone else do their dirty work for them, e.g., business employers, airlines, other countries….

434679 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 11, #1306 of 1647 🔗

Schools in, schools out, masks in, masks out, test some, test all, mandatory, voluntary, exams on, exams off. Children need consistency, they need to know where they stand, they need security. This man hasn’t got a clue. He is a union puppet who is letting our children down at every hurdle.

Our minister for education,
Has let down the kids in our nation,
I don’t trust his plans,
This incompetent man,
Has messed up the whole situation.

434803 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Liberty, 6, #1307 of 1647 🔗

WILL YOU PLEASE STOP FUCKING SAYING THAT!

THEY know exactly what they are doing.

They are creating a dangerous environment for children making them social distance and depressed to lower their immune system while making them breathe in bacteria.

IT IS PLANNED!

Idiots who say ‘incompentent’ are playing into these bastards’ hands.

It is Agenda 21/30, Operation Lock Step and the Great Reset.

434939 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to FedupofLies, #1308 of 1647 🔗

I get what you’re saying. I get your frustration, sorry to have triggered it. Some are played, some are playing. Some are payed off, some will be laid off. I agree there’s a plan. My children will not be wearing masks or being tested. I am preparing them for their futures, by teaching them to think for themselves, research and hold onto truth.

435013 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to FedupofLies, #1309 of 1647 🔗

FedupofLies, how’s this one, any better?

The Elites came up with a plan,
To control every woman and man,
They thought us so thick,
Thought we’d fall for there trick,
They were right and most fell for the scam.

434685 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 7, #1310 of 1647 🔗

posted by a contact on LinkedIn about Hancock – This young lady has an excellent point

“I mean, I think he’s a slippery snake of a man who’s entirely unfit for office who doesn’t have the interests of the general public in mind.

At no point has Hancock been in the situation we’re all in, and he’s never had to really graft. Prior to getting into politics, he worked for his family’s business and the Bank of England as an economist specialising in the housing market- cheers for that volatile landscape there Matt pal.

With regards for his public service and how he patently doesn’t give a hoot about the general public. Removing his utter omnishambles around Covid, look at his priors.

Anyone can see this information if they look, but let me make it easy for people. https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24773/matthew_hancock/west_suffolk/votes — that’s his voting record. Not great.”

434691 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Aslangeo, 11, #1311 of 1647 🔗

I want these bastards to go out into their consituencies to see the carnage they have created. But they haven’t got the balls.

434695 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to kh1485, 6, #1312 of 1647 🔗

I agree, I am sure many are very relieved they will not be going door to door for the May elections.

434706 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to kh1485, 7, #1313 of 1647 🔗

The vast majority of MPs are only bothered about their careers/legacies with a very few honourable exceptions i.e. Sir Charles Walker

434717 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biggles, 8, #1314 of 1647 🔗

Indeed. My MP actually walked through the foyer that leads to the entrance into my shop. She didn’t have the courtesy to come in to speak to me even though, at that stage, I had sent her many e-mails. They forget who pays their wages. Trouble is here, you could stick a blue rosette on a plank of wood and it would get voted in.

434734 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to kh1485, 6, #1315 of 1647 🔗

We went Conservative for the first time in 25 years in 2019 but our MP will be out in the next election (assuming there is one!). He’s still a sycophant for Boris like all the rest.

434768 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to kh1485, 5, #1316 of 1647 🔗

Ditto red rosettes.
A lot of former Tory voters are swearing to never vote for them again.
That would include me.

434923 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Biggles, #1317 of 1647 🔗

Yes, that’s true. The party machinery is pretty finely tuned, and the power & influence of the whips is strong, and so lots of MPs (particularly those with ambitions for extremely high office, ie most of the greedy buggers) play the game & toe the line, at least often enough, so as to best help themselves.

That said, having long-term political ambition is all well and good, but there is an inherit assumption made. That being; your party will be around long enough & have enough influence, to make good on said long-term ambition. As a wise man once said, (actually I think it was the bad guy in Under Siege 2) “assumption is the mother of all f**k ups”. If enough people get motivated enough, all major parties but definitely both the Tories & Labour could – and should – be shaken totally to their core when any elections roll around.

434714 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1318 of 1647 🔗

Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine is safe and effective, FDA analysis finds In an analysis released Wednesday, the US Food and Drug Administration said the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine has met the requirements for emergency use authorization — another step toward the authorization of a third shot for the United States.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/24/health/johnson-vaccine-fda-analysis/index.html

This is the company that, according to a Reuters investigation:
“Knew for decades that asbestos lurked in it’s baby powder”: internal documents examined by Reuters show that the company’s powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept that information from regulators and the public. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/johnsonandjohnson-cancer/

Well let’s hope that the Company has been a little more transparent with it’s trial data for this product. According to wikipedia: In 2016, more than 1,000 women in the United States sued Johnson & Johnson for covering up the possible cancer risk associated with its baby powder. The company stopped selling talcum powder in the United States and Canada in 2020.

434740 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to godowneasy, #1319 of 1647 🔗

Good point -it’s a one shot so if anyone wants to take a vaccine there is one and only one masking up (unless you can persuade them to do it in the car park)
Bad point -it’s a vector vaccine like AZ -new technology .
Not yet UK emergency approved.

434815 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1320 of 1647 🔗

I wouldn’t count on transparency from any of the “vaccine” manufacturers. They’re all felons and have paid out billions of dollars in fines. Pfizer alone paid $2.3 billion in 2009 for illegal marketing in an off-market drug case.

434716 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #1321 of 1647 🔗

The Great Lockdown Debate: Chris Snowdon vs. Toby Young | 24-Feb-21

Main thrust of Snowdon’s argument:

1 Infections fell after lockdowns [of course, contrary to his point, they have fallen everywhere, regardless of lockdown, and here they were already falling by the time lockdowns were introduced]

2 Lockdowns were “necessary” because of “cases doubling” and “exponential growth” [but all diseases invariably slow down from their initial rapid growth, and “exponential” phases are usually long over by the time lockdowns are imposed]

3 It’s inarguable that human interaction must reduce disease spread, so either lockdown or voluntary reductions in interaction must be the explanation for why far more people didn’t die. [But almost nobody is claiming that reduced human interaction won’t reduce the spread of a disease, at least in the short term – the issue is whether totalitarian lockdown measures are necessary, useful, or justifiable on moral or cost/benefit grounds in doing so in this or any case.]

4 Cannot blame lockdown for economic damage because of 2 and 3, voluntary reductions in interaction would have lockdown effects on the economy anyway [refuted by examples all over the world – Snowdon of all people should understand that voluntary decision-making by free individuals is likely to be hugely more efficient in this kind of situation, and that’s what the real world experience supports. Any negative externalities in this situation are basically the ones humanity has always lived perfectly comfortably with in relation to seasonal respiratory infections, which just like this one do not, regardless of response, impose anything approaching an unbearable cost, even in the periodic pandemics like this one (still not as bad as the 1957 and 1968 flu pandemics).]

He as usual accuses anti-lockdowners of “magical thinking” when in fact it is those like him who insist that the only possible explanation for reductions in cases (notwithstanding evidence from timing here, and from other countries) must be lockdown, so it’s some kind of massive coincidence that the disease follows the same broad track regardless of lockdowns and with much less economic impact in countries with no lockdowns (though still significant impact, in large part because of the disastrous global cost of the lockdowns in the richest economies).

Basically, Snowdon panicked in the face of silly fantasies from modellers about absurdly large effects from this disease, which were already evidently not going to materialise by the time the panickers took their panic action, along with infantile sentimental nonsense about “putting money ahead of lives”, etc.

Judgement, from this obviously totally unbiased judge, for the decent, upstanding Toby, and against the contemptible, weak-minded, backsliding, hypocritical worm Snowdon.

434737 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 11, #1322 of 1647 🔗

Pure unadulterated ignorance of the ecology of a virus. That’s the problem with liberals their complete lack of understanding & separation from nature.

  1. Viruses don’t just carry on infecting people forever!
  2. Oh I can’t be bothered with this nonsense.

These people with their scientism worship are not worth debating with. All this from an idiot sticking a plastic tube in his face inhaling chemicals.

434752 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1323 of 1647 🔗

Although I favour debate generally, the Lockdown Ideologues have cheated so often, moved the goalposts so often, lied so often and refused to even look at the facts so often that there doesn’t seem much point. The only important thing now is to get people elected to Parliament would will end the nonsense and ensure it never happens again. It’s rather similar to the pointlessness of arguing with Bolsheviks or FRNS types. They aren’t interested in the truth, only in their ideology which they believe to be unfalsifiable.

434757 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 5, #1324 of 1647 🔗

They don’t debate on facts, they just attack with slurs.

Lockdowns propagate mutation requiring further lockdowns, its never ending, catch 22. Evolution is a never ending war of counter-attack & defence, an arms race & there is only one scientific conclusion to Covid-19 natural herd immunity.

Even Toby Young is now back tracking to appease the covidians.

434778 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1325 of 1647 🔗

He fell into the slippery vaccine fly trap and is desperately trying to stay afloat. I suspect this site won’t be around for much longer.

434916 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to OKUK, #1326 of 1647 🔗

Please can we find a new home then?

434761 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to OKUK, 3, #1327 of 1647 🔗

Is it ideology, or lust for power, the opportunity to lord it over other people?

434773 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to LMS2, 4, #1328 of 1647 🔗

Yes, there are plenty of other factors come into this. But lockdown ideology has grown, developed and become a kind of accessory to globalist ideology.

434777 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to OKUK, #1329 of 1647 🔗

Great point.

434785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, #1330 of 1647 🔗

accessory to globalist ideology

Nice one

434895 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 2, #1331 of 1647 🔗

You may not persuade Snowdon but as with the Hitchens – Hodges debate you may get some neutrals watching it for whom the penny finally drops

434748 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 4, #1332 of 1647 🔗

Also, there are the counter examples of Belgium and Peru that locked down early and hard and were in the top 3 worst death figures. Why if lockdowns are so marvellously effective?

434750 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, #1333 of 1647 🔗

Snowdon has been a passionate and eloquent advocate against nanny state interventions for many years. Perhaps he was getting sick and tired of getting battered and has decided instead to jump ship to be on the “winning” side over lockdowns.

434760 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richard O, 5, #1334 of 1647 🔗

If true, then he’s also a pathetic coward.

434813 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mark, 3, #1335 of 1647 🔗

All of Snowdon’s arguments are terrible but 4 is perhaps the worst. We’ve just had the biggest fall in output for THREE HUNDRED YEARS. How many pandemics do you think there have been in that time?

434822 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to mattghg, #1336 of 1647 🔗

Minus 10% only thanks to adding 20%age points of GDP in government debt, which went straight into the year’s consumption aka GDP figures, so GDP was really down 30% that year.

434825 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, 3, #1337 of 1647 🔗

Indeed. (Though panickers tend to fantasise about covid19 being a “once in a lifetime pandemic”, rather than just another fairly typical example of the periodic respiratory virus pandemics that come along every few decades.)

Myself I find it particularly objectionable that he claims to be a classical liberal or libertarian while supporting the diametric opposite (lockdown), and rationalises this offensive hypocrisy by making a spurious reference to “negative externality”.

Basically he’s taking something that throughout human history has been regarded as an acceptable routine risk of human life – the prevalence of seasonal respiratory viruses and associated minor risks – and allowing it to be turned into a justification for totalitarian state control.

Unforgivable. He seems conveniently blase about the inevitable consequences of conceding this gross power grab to the statists.

434722 nootnoot, replying to nootnoot, 42, #1338 of 1647 🔗

Interesting mask experience today. I’ve been trying out wearing no mask in some local shops and one supermarket for a few months without anyone questioning it at all.
However this evening I was out with my wife who decided we should go in M&S for a food shop. She doesn’t know I’ve been going mask free except when I am with her. She’s a nurse so is fairly pro mask. She said “I hope you have your mask on you”. Nope, I didn’t. I told her i would wait outside but she actually wanted me to go in. This was not only the first time my wife has seen me go mask free but also it was the first time i was to get asked why i didnt have a mask. Two big steps ive needed to encounter done in one visit.
I must say M&S were great. So we approached the door. I could see my wife was worried as she hates conflict. I told her its ok i will tell them i am exempt and it will be fine. In my head i was saying to myself please let this go to plan.
Once at the door there was a couple of staff members. They gave us a basket then that question came out “Excuse me sir do you have a mask?” I took a breath and confidently said “No, I am exempt.” Didn’t even use the word sorry because i’m not sorry for anything. That was gladly met with a reply of “That’s ok, would you like a lanyard to wear?” Again i kindly responded with no thank you. I was asked a second time about a lanyard by a different person but again politely refused. No further questions. That was such a relief to me. She still doesn’t know i’ve been mask free and ill keep it that way for now.
Once out the shop she said to me “That’s not so bad going mask free is it”. I didnt really respond to that as im not sure if she meant it that i should now relax or that she might try it next time.
Anyway it’s two things i’ve now got off my mind and it’s made me a bit happier.

434729 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to nootnoot, 13, #1339 of 1647 🔗

Perhaps she is at an unconscious level only pro-mask because she wants to avoid conflict.

Her comment about it being ‘not so bad’ makes me think that she might be up for it herself.

434746 Hattie, 1, #1340 of 1647 🔗

Rapid response to:

Child vaccination rates in England fall across the board, figures show
BMJ 2019; 366 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.l5773 (Published 26 September 2019)
Cite this as: BMJ 2019;366:l5773

Vaccination Uptake, Informed Consent and the Montgomery Ruling
Editor

In the rush to streamline vaccination delivery [1] it is essential that health authorities do not neglect their legal obligation for fully informed consent for all medical procedures as affirmed as recently as 2015 in the Montgomery

ruling [2,3]. For instance, I read to today about a new digital system for obtaining parental consent for vaccinating schoolchildren by Dorset Healthcare [4] but it is not clear whether parents will be provided with patient information leaflets or have the undoubted risks of various products listed within them drawn to their attention. Simply assuring them that vaccines are safe, or that the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, may fall short of legal requirements. While the Prime Minister recently dismissed vaccine safety concerns as “mumbo-jumbo” he may have been leaning towards the cavalier [5]. The constant attack in the media and by government on people with legitimate safety concerns is deplorable, and may lead to harms being overlooked.

[1] Gareth Iacobucci, ‘Child vaccination rates in England fall across the board, figures show’
BMJ 2019; 366 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.l5773 (Published 26 September 2019)

[2] MDU, ‘Montgomery and Informed Consent’, https://www.themdu.com/guidance-and-advice/guides/montgomery-and-informe

[3] Responses to Rimmer, NHS chief attacks anti-vax “fake news” for falling uptake’
BMJ 2019; 364 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.l1000 (Published 04 March 2019), https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l1000/rapid-responses

[4] Alex Cutler, ‘Dorset changes to giving consent to children’s vaccinations’, Dorset Echo 2 October 2019, https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17939663.dorset-changes-giving-consent

[5] ‘UK’s Johnson slams ‘mumbo-jumbo’ about vaccines after measles rates rise’, Reuters 19 August 2019, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-health/uks-johnson-slams-mumb

Thought itvwas worthnposting this again.

The WHO said there were still “critical unknowns” about the efficacy of vaccinations in reducing transmission and preventing the virus even as governments work on vaccine certificates as a way to kickstart travel.

It said that, as a result, national authorities, airlines and travel operators “should not introduce requirements of proof of Covid-19 vaccination for international travel as a condition for departure or entry”.

Vaccination should not exempt travellers from having to undergo other “travel risk-reduction measures”, such as testing or quarantine, it added.

434747 Alice, replying to Alice, 10, #1341 of 1647 🔗

I’ve just read a book review on Spiked – the new book by our least favourite author:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/25/bill-gates-and-the-greening-of-capitalism/

I think it shows that the old left/right distinctions are irrelevant in the face of global technocratic state capitalism. Or should that be state socialism?

434751 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Alice, 8, #1342 of 1647 🔗

Never underestimate the manipulative effect of psychopaths. They prey on the fears of the weakest, in this case emotional leftists.

434759 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Alice, 7, #1343 of 1647 🔗

I think it shows that the old left/right distinctions are irrelevant

They have been irrelevant since 1997 in the UK, but the MSM and many commenters still love to keep variously harping on about lefties or the alt-right or the hard right or commies or whatever. We have had almost 24 years of like-for-like Centrist , Blairite, neo-liberal, globalist government – broken only by Cameron’s Brexit miscalculation; causing panic among proponents of the grand plan. It’s no the wonder the UK populace has sleepwalked into Covid lockdown and is even now willingly giving itself over as guinea pigs to a phase three trial of experimental gene therapy; while for the most part remaining in denial.

434781 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #1344 of 1647 🔗

It’s denial of natural ideological divisions usually propagated by centrist liberals that is the problem.

Left right is just terminology, division does & always has existed. At its most basic, some believe in independence from government, others dependence on government it’s as old as the hills, centrist ideology is the dangerous extremism, because its taken advantage of by neo-liberals to fuck us all over…

434824 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1345 of 1647 🔗

The irony being that it is the ‘right’, the so-called laissez-faire capitalist proponents of reduced government involvement, who have benefited from state intervention ever since WW2; whether via above price bail outs of poorly run private enterprises or below price buy outs of profitable public enterprises.
The left-right terminology is accordingly anachronistic, with this (avowedly Tory) government signing up to economic decay, state support and generations of taxpayer debt burden (undreamed of by the most red in tooth and claw socialist) in order to protect a deliberately vulnerable NHS it had been instrumental in running down to a point where the number of available beds were less than a half of what they had been in the 1990s; continuing on from New Labour’s policies.

434856 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #1346 of 1647 🔗

I’m no advocate for either collectivism or capitalism, I have as many issues with crony capitalism as I do with communism. I’m a libertarian minded pragmatist, we need some law, but self-determination, neither is offered under neo-liberal rules based order.

434769 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Alice, 6, #1347 of 1647 🔗

Yes, what you might call the “Amazon Economy” has all the worst features of the Soviet Union while at the same time being hugely efficient – unlike the Soviet Union…of course the secret here is computer code, or algorithms. Maybe it should be called the “Algorithmic Economy”. It is much easier to get algorithms right than to tell 3 million bureaucrats to behave in a certain way. The Big Tech economies have been able to concentrate and monopolise IT talent so that they can maintain an edge lead in their field indefinitely once they obtain market dominance.

We see Big Tech favours exploitation of cheap labour, deskilling of jobs, monopolised markets, closing down free speech, promoting PC ideology, destroying national borders, defying national legal system and replacing our natural immunity with multiple vaccinations. They are a danger to humanity.

The leaders of Big Tech tend to be egomaniacal asperger types who came up with some brilliant initial innovations that got their companies launched to begin with. Their egomania often leads them on to really “big” problems they want to solve. Gates wants to remove all viruses from the world and solve “climate change”….Zuckerberg seems obsessed with making everyone PC compliant, to ensure there is no more conflict in the world. Bezos wants to create new orbital homes with artficial gravity where millions of people can live…Musk wants to move us to a solar energy economy and colonise Mars. I’ve a lot of time for Musk but he typically fails to understand how cultures work.

434798 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to OKUK, 4, #1348 of 1647 🔗

Hey leeches, leave them kids alone!

434756 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 12, #1349 of 1647 🔗

Mr CC and I just been discussing how many of the population we think will actually have the “vaccine”, not offered it but actually injected. The government have been very vague with their figures and are using the “offered vaccine” words, so there does appear to be nothing cast in stone as to the actual numbers.

So what do posters here think? I will start, I do not think children will have the vaccine no matter what is currently being said. Of approx. 67 million people in the UK, I think the amount will be no more that 60% of total at best.

434758 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1350 of 1647 🔗

Less

434764 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to stewart, 4, #1351 of 1647 🔗

Interesting, during out discussion I initially said 40%. There is probably more detailed calculations to be done within each age group which I may have a look at.

434810 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1352 of 1647 🔗

60% but I think many who had the first won’t have the second

434821 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to rose, 4, #1353 of 1647 🔗

I agree on the second jab. I said on a post earlier today I think the second jab will be quietly withdrawn by the government.

434906 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to rose, 1, #1354 of 1647 🔗

Yes I think you are right

435073 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Janette, #1355 of 1647 🔗

I certainly hope so.

434765 ▶▶ iane, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1356 of 1647 🔗

Judging by friends and acquaintances, about 75%. Should bring the population down nicely!

434767 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1357 of 1647 🔗

There has been a growing movement towards vaccine authoritarianism for decades, now is its Zeitgeist, vaccines will become mandatory in all but law. There may be a small fine for failure to comply. Covid-19 will open the floodgates for all vaccines to become mandatory for certain age groups. It’s what big pharma & liberals have been lobbying for, for decades.

434772 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1358 of 1647 🔗

As much as I would like to I can not disagree with your thoughts however if there is a kickback against the covid vaccine, this could have an impact on the situation you describe?

434775 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1359 of 1647 🔗

Actually, I think what the covid vaccines have done is make many people who never thought twice about vaccines to pay a bit more attention to the relentless advance of vaccines and wonder whether it is going too far.

Perhaps what is happening is that society is being polarised on yet another issue.

434788 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to stewart, 9, #1360 of 1647 🔗

It’s a bit hard to accept that it’s all for our own good when they use threats such as the huge fines in Spain and potentially incarceration for mental health issues for vaccine hesitancy in the UK which is clearly a mental health issue. If they told us the truth and made us believe they were worth taking, coercion wouldn’t be necessary.

434852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to jos, 2, #1361 of 1647 🔗

You are right, the stick being used is so out of proportion. It goes back to if the virus was as deadly as the government tell us it is, there would be no need for any coersion.

435074 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1362 of 1647 🔗

Mutt Hamitup said he wanted mandatory vaxxing when he was first appointed and before covid reared its ugly head. He wants to poison our water too.

434774 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cumbriacracked, 12, #1363 of 1647 🔗

I think your estimate of 60% is right on the money for all those that will voluntarily submit to the treatment.

Of the remaining 40%, I think 30% will submit with more coercive measures. Initially these will be largely by employers and public services independent of direct government mandates.

Which leaves the 10% hardcore refuseniks. Total social exclusion and scapegoating as the group responsible for restrictions not being lifted is probably the most optimistic outlook if you are in this group (which I am). The pessimistic outlook I will leave to your imagination.

434793 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Richard O, 9, #1364 of 1647 🔗

Let’s look at the leaked Canada plan – confiscation of property and limited access to food. I wonder why they are so desperate for us to take those jabs – it really fills me with confidence in their intentions..

434802 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to jos, 8, #1365 of 1647 🔗

Confiscation/freezing of assets is the most obvious way to exclude anyone who does not submit. Like you say, if this was anything to do with our health then the sheer viciousness of these threats would be totally unnecessary.

It’s a deadly trap of course, because there will be multiple mandatory vaccinations and little or no lifting of all other restrictions for the rest of our lives if the rabid technocrats get their way.

434797 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Richard O, 6, #1366 of 1647 🔗

I think 30% of the is a bit high for those who will eventually give in, if the number who do not take the vaccine ranges from between 20-40% of total, the higher figure may just be enough for the government to think it cannot win the war of forcing the vaccine. If 20% then the government should quit whilst it is ahead and say 80% certainly gives herd immunity so no need for any further measures or passports etc. Wishful thinking on my part though possibly!

434806 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cumbriacracked, 14, #1367 of 1647 🔗

Anything less than 100% (including all children) is unacceptable to the deeply sick mentality that is now running the show. Their maniacal zeal is demonstrated by the fact that it is not nearly enough for them to lock us up for a year and destroy our society. They want it all, up to and including total control of our bodies and minds 24/7.

434817 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Richard O, 3, #1368 of 1647 🔗

I think that is the message which is trying to be put out, but I believe there are only a small amount of people within the government and dare I say it SAGE who are behind the 100% figure. In the documents from early on in the lockdown the compliance was expected to be 75% and in fact turned out to be 90%, I doubt the estimated 75% figure is different for the vaccine take up amoungst the majority of the government. The ramping up of the pressure is due to the number looking like being nowhere near than to take the vaccine.

434776 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1369 of 1647 🔗

You have to take out u18s who are very roughly 16m.
So to keep it easy it the number out of 50m.
Current total is 19m and that is basically 65+ plus some u65 but vulnerable.
Take up has been quite high in those groups but will fall off among lower groups.
However if it becomes essential for overseas travel that will bump the numbers up. Ditto new jobs (may be trickier for existing jobs) and pubs.
Those last three could bump the numbers up to 90% -quite similar to Richard O

434787 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1370 of 1647 🔗

Yes I agree. I think the articles in theMSM inflate the figures of how many have had it to try and persuade everyone else to take it. No thank you.

434792 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cumbriacracked, 10, #1371 of 1647 🔗

The figures on the NHS/Gov dashboard suggest we are currently at 28% and so I would think it will easily get to 50% but may struggle after that, especially as the weather improves and the virus declines.
That would then raise interesting questions as to what this is all about? 50% vaccinated plus all those who have had Covid and all those who are naturally immune and it should be a case of job done but if they press on with vaccinate everyone it will be crystal clear this is not just about the virus.

434830 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #1372 of 1647 🔗

I’ve already posted this today – but it is worth reminding ourselves what Vallance said only a year ago- before the weird brethren tried to sell universal vaccination :

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway. We want to suppress it so we don’t get the second peak, and so we allow enough of us who are going to get a mild illness to become immune to it, this is to help with the whole population response to this, which would protect everybody.”

When asked what percentage of the population needed to get infected to reach herd immunity (?) Vallance said:

“About 60 percent or so and we think this virus is going to come back year on year and becomes like a seasonal virus and communities will become immune to it. That’s going to become an important part of controlling this longer term.”

434850 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #1373 of 1647 🔗

Just another nail in the conspiracy coffin.

434865 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to RickH, #1374 of 1647 🔗

Thanks RickH

434901 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 2, #1375 of 1647 🔗

He also said in the press conference on 10th February 2021 that the pcr test is so sensitive that it shows a positive result for people who are not infectious.
Something that undermines the whole case for lockdowns and vaccinations.

434808 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Cumbriacracked, 10, #1376 of 1647 🔗

The longer the nonsense goes on, the less fearful people will become of the CoronaFlu scam, the more the side effects and long term impacts of the still experimental vaxxes will be revealed (currently MSM seems to be gagged on this) and the initial queues of willing guinea pigs will tail off. Quite how many suckers will have taken a vaxx at that point is anyone’s guess, as it is largely dependent on speed of roll out and (crucially) accurate figures for take up.
In a few months time, court cases start to come through, large compensation claims will be mounting, the tide will start turning against the government and there will have to be a lot of back tracking. Medics will finally begin to speak out, fearful of their credibility if they don’t. Previous governmental threats made will be rescinded and denied, and ministerial sackings will be commonplace.
There will have to be a UK Experimental C19 Vaccine Compensation Act , and possibly a UK C19 Lockdown Compensation Act if enough businesses and individuals file a class action. Once the government loses the fear factor it will effectively be a lame duck. Meanwhile I can see several prominent 5th column SAGE advisors seeking political asylum in the USA and elsewhere when they realise there own goose is well and truly cooked!

434818 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 8, #1377 of 1647 🔗

I hope you’re right, but that seems very optimistic to me. I don’t think the side effects and long-term impacts of the experimental vaccines will EVER be revealed – they’ll be passed off as some new strain, and blamed on the unvaccinated. there will be no court cases, no compensation,and no justice for the dead and injured.
I think this horror show simply has to play out now.

434836 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #1378 of 1647 🔗

If enough people get behind an Easter Uprising against this nonsense, then it will not have much longer to play out. It can’t go on much longer anyway, as there simply is no money left in the government coffers to support the deception. The UK is financially over-committed to the Nth degree, the bond markets are already weakening under the strain, and there will be no coiled spring rebound. I can’t believe the UK populace has remained in a state of comatose stupor for so long – but wait until the government comes after private wealth, that might wake it up!

434771 norfolksceptic, replying to norfolksceptic, 8, #1379 of 1647 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/treasury-yields-soar-after-catastrophic-tailing-7y-auction – this is important. The bond markets are saying enough is enough. They are not just racing the declining case and death numbers – the magic life money tree is wilting fast too

434779 ▶▶ iane, replying to norfolksceptic, 5, #1380 of 1647 🔗

As we know, if the US sneezes, we catch covid! The devil has decided it is time to settle up – and, of course, it will be us plebs who pay the bill!

434790 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to iane, 12, #1381 of 1647 🔗

Some of us have been paying that bill for the past year. If I was in charge, the highest tax liability would be for those who shrugged and said “what can you do?”

435092 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kh1485, #1382 of 1647 🔗

All those that said it just a mask. They should hand over 80% of all their assets.

434867 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to norfolksceptic, 4, #1383 of 1647 🔗

Weimar here we come.If no one will lend,then they will have to print.We are going to have a financial reset whatever we do now.

434882 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1384 of 1647 🔗

Where is our dear friend Lucan Grey when you need him? Raving sceptic about covid but firm believer in Magic Money Trees.

434938 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1385 of 1647 🔗

Yes that seems to be where we’re headed – there is already a lot of hidden inflation working it’s way through the system – talking to a garden furniture importer today cost of a shipping container from Indonesia was GBP 2,000 last year is now GBP 10,000 – that sticks between 15% to 20% on his end prices. Also seen some small gaps in supply chain – there’s a very large Tesco up here that has gaps in its non food shelves. The drunken sailor model of expenditure the government are in has shown for a while now that they know it will never have to paid back.

435093 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to norfolksceptic, #1386 of 1647 🔗

If the credit market collapses so does the supply chains.

434780 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 12, #1387 of 1647 🔗
434794 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #1388 of 1647 🔗

Thank you. Very good news.

434904 ▶▶ Janette, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1389 of 1647 🔗

That’s good a glimmer of hope for us

434801 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1390 of 1647 🔗

Oh dear!
(No date I’m afraid.)

434804 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1391 of 1647 🔗

Grrrrrr

434812 ▶▶ dommo, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1392 of 1647 🔗

context?

434833 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to dommo, #1393 of 1647 🔗

Wtf! Context? A “libertarian” is standing next to a globalist = corruption

434875 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dommo, #1394 of 1647 🔗

Looks about 10nyears old at least. Gates is much older looking now

435062 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1395 of 1647 🔗

Yes I thought that. Swayne too.

435061 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dommo, #1396 of 1647 🔗

Sorry, don’t know anything about it, other than it’s a disappointingly damning pic.

434816 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1397 of 1647 🔗

Agggggh

434832 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1398 of 1647 🔗

It’s only a photo. It’s not like he stayed with Epstein or anything.

434834 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1399 of 1647 🔗

That photo is in the post

434845 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1400 of 1647 🔗

He is trumpeting the jab big time old Des.

434853 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mic67, 1, #1401 of 1647 🔗

Oh dear. Another one bites the dust.

434877 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 4, #1402 of 1647 🔗

Well I don’t think it is at all fair to question his sceptic credentials, if that’s what you’re suggesting

Ideally I would like him to keep quieter on the vaccine, but he has been campaigning against lockdown for a good while now, before it became fashionable and on perfectly reasonable grounds – that is fails any rational cost benefit analysis and is wrong on principle

434858 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1404 of 1647 🔗

Who is the bloke on the left, please?

434866 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1405 of 1647 🔗

It’s Desmond Swayne.

434883 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1406 of 1647 🔗

Desmond Swayne MP. Ironically the first MP to really speak clearly and openly about the need to end Lockdown (back in the summer of 2020).

434898 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to OKUK, #1407 of 1647 🔗

I would say Desmond doesn’t exactly look enthralled standing there!

434993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1408 of 1647 🔗

Give me a break, Gates only qualification is money, why are the futures of nearly 8 billion people being influenced by one man?

435001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, #1409 of 1647 🔗

Just a statement Desmond Swayne doesn’t look entralled at standing there. More a photo opportunity he had to do rather than enjoying it. Gates doesn’t live in the real world. All the sycophants who think he is wonderful, take his money and do his bidding are far outweighed by those who do not. He can have his views about mass vaccines, microchips in people and goodness knows what else, he is not going to get his way though. One man, no matter what he or many think, cannot control the worlds population.

434897 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Cheezilla, #1410 of 1647 🔗

Photoshopped?

434908 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Barbara Baker, 3, #1411 of 1647 🔗

No

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DFID – UK Department for International Development
Desmond Swayne meets Bill Gates

Development Minister Desmond Swayne meets with Microsoft founder Bill Gates – co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation – to discuss support for ending polio and increasing immunisations.

Picture: Simon Davis/DFID

435065 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1412 of 1647 🔗

Thanks for finding this.
I wonder if he knows what damage Gates’ polio jabs did.

434914 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1413 of 1647 🔗

28 July 2014

434955 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cheezilla, #1414 of 1647 🔗

If you read Swayne’s blog he does change his mind on some things so he might now not be proud of this picture

435060 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #1415 of 1647 🔗

I hope so. He is worryingly enthusiastic about the vax.

434807 crimsonpirate, 4, #1416 of 1647 🔗
434811 dommo, replying to dommo, 11, #1417 of 1647 🔗

apologies if already posted but check this out – timeline for the genesis of a pandemic:-

https://twitter.com/theotherphilipp/status/1364954548427702281

434829 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to dommo, 3, #1418 of 1647 🔗

Fascinating! Thank you for this.

434820 Dan L, replying to Dan L, 23, #1419 of 1647 🔗

Should we ever put our health at risk to (potentially) help others?

It feels like something I have only been asked to do this past year. I don’t remember being put in this situation at all ever previously. It feels beyond the pale to me.

I’m thinking about discussions I have with friends and work colleagues about the merits of vaccinations, although it also applies to masks and to staying at home. They seem to think it is OK for someone to take a vaccine only to benefit others but I don’t understand why. Perhaps you could make a case if the personal risk was zero and the benefits to others significant – maybe this is what they think but how do they know?

434823 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan L, 25, #1420 of 1647 🔗

Ask your friends precisely how does taking an experimental gene therapy still undergoing clinical trials with unknown side effects and which does not prevent viral transmission help others?

434861 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Richard O, 4, #1421 of 1647 🔗

Indeed that does make my decision a lot easier since the benefit is tiny or non existent and the risk is big. I suppose I was hoping for a killer argument in these vaccine discussions which didn’t rely on these facts as they are convinced it is both quite effective (not 100% of course) and safe.

434828 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dan L, 12, #1422 of 1647 🔗

They seem to think it is OK for someone to take a vaccine only to benefit others

Short answer ; Self preservation.

Long answer ; selfish cun*s

Vaccination is a religion, some have faith other more critical thinkers analyse the risk, the latter is called informed consent, the former like to pretend consent is irrelevant. The former are usually socialists, hence my nick name.

434840 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #1423 of 1647 🔗

Yea I’m not sure I particularly want to help the people that (by their support) have effectively locked me (and everyone else) up for the past year. So yes fuck ’em.

But am I to be a pariah in this new world (which seemingly only started this year) where everyone is prepared to potentially bodily damage themselves to potentially help others.

434863 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dan L, 7, #1424 of 1647 🔗

Exactly. They have come for everything this year, and still they want more. Not here.

I just say I won’t discuss the topic. Its too toxic. If anyone mentions anti vaxx I do what I can to laugh at them and say ‘exactly, people throwing that around at will, toxic “

435035 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Dan L, 4, #1425 of 1647 🔗

Read on here that lawyers at Oxford University are looking at making vaccine hesitancy a mental health issue leading to those people being sectioned and compulsorily jabbed against their wishes. What country is this again?

435056 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to jos, 1, #1426 of 1647 🔗

It’s a good one that. It’s a completely voluntary vaccine but if you don’t volunteer for it then you must be mentally ill. And as you are mentally ill you don’t have capacity so we decide for you! Guess what we’ve decided it’s in your best interest to have the vaccine.

(Personally I would section the lawyers though they sound like they have flipped their lids).

435142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Dan L, 2, #1427 of 1647 🔗

Catch-22 variant.

434847 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Anti_socialist, 24, #1428 of 1647 🔗

I thought I was a socialist until this happened. I still hold on to my values but having been attacked by folk who call dissent misinformation, and telling me I’m a Tory and only care about money, despite the fact that I’m on a zero hours contract and work with refugees, my eyes have truly been opened.

434873 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mic67, 20, #1429 of 1647 🔗

Once the Magic Money Tree is cut down, those who are accusing you of only caring about money will suddenly care about money to the exclusion of all else.

434874 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1430 of 1647 🔗

How very, very true.

434888 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1431 of 1647 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.

BBC is saying there are now 4.7 million on furlough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56198359

The number of people on furlough rose by 700,000 in January after tighter lockdown restrictions were imposed.

Treasury figures show a total of 4.7 million people were on the government scheme at the end of the month.

That’s a lot of people who are going to be caring about where the money will come from when it ends.

434899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1432 of 1647 🔗

53.8 billion since it began!?

435022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mic67, 4, #1433 of 1647 🔗

Yup! That’s a lot of fake Unemployment Benefit, or whatever it’s called thesedays.

434909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1434 of 1647 🔗

From the day Mat wancock said live on TV back in March that all NHS debt will be wiped, I knew the financial writing was on the wall. All governments now don’t care about their currencies because a new one is coming. Everything that everybody worked all their lives for will be gone, pensions, savings, property, the lot.

434917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Andrew K, #1435 of 1647 🔗

Bitcoin?

434920 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1436 of 1647 🔗

Problem with bitcoin it’s valued in fiat currencies.

434922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Andrew K, #1437 of 1647 🔗

Yes.

434933 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1438 of 1647 🔗

Everything? Can’t see that happening

434977 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1439 of 1647 🔗

Hyper inflation will do the job.
No one is buying American debt.The only option is to print money.The UK government has been printing money to pay its bills since last year.Next year will be worse as mass unemployment takes place as soon as furlough is stopped.

434994 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1440 of 1647 🔗

Fits in with the universal basic income and you’ll own nothing and be you’ll happy statement.

434991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1441 of 1647 🔗

The NHS debt comment I too found very worrying, along with the magic money tree from Sunak, certainly it does seem as though they know the money will never have to be paid back. Sunak is very pro digital currencies too. Either every economist is stupid or they all know the debt doesn’t “officially” exist.

Hyperinflation has always been a concern and that has not changed in my opinion as to what the future holds.

434986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1442 of 1647 🔗

Yes, while Klaus Schwab, President Xi and Bill Gates would no doubt like furlough to extend indefinitely we are now hitting the economic buffers and there is no more track left. Economic realities always trump ideological claims. Mao could not magic into existence millions of tonnes of steel in the villages or huge grain stores during the “Great Leap Forward” – people starved to death in their millions and the steel produced was pitiful in quality and quantity. Eventually the Party intervened and stopped the madness.

Were lockdown to continue without furlough, the economic pain would be on an unimaginably huge scale and would further reduce economic output. So if furlough ends, lockdown has to end. They know that. They are just trying to get the narrative right, so that they can declare victory – like George W Bush on that aircraft carrier…

There is obviously a split in the globalist camp between the more traditional capitalists and the more PC-ideological Big Tech guys (the latter are actually benefitting from lockdown – adding hundreds of billions to their wealth).

434960 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1443 of 1647 🔗

yes only the rich have the luxury of not caring about money

434919 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mic67, 1, #1444 of 1647 🔗

Hey I hear ya. I’ve as many issues with crony capitalism & corporatism! My opposition to those just isn’t as appropriate to the leftist lockdown narrative.

Cronyism has no power without collectivist ideology.
Corporatism has no power without the socialist effect.

That may sound, counterintuitive, but its socialists who choose to be dependent on both & desire greater regulation.

434928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1445 of 1647 🔗

I’m only just realising how much the left loves Big State. I can’t say I understand why?!

434943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mic67, 2, #1446 of 1647 🔗

Some do – just like some from the right and woolly centre.

But the problem with this shit-show is that it cuts across that dimension of politics – and is about brainwashing and the induction of fear.

Try https://leftlockdownsceptics.com 

434948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 1, #1447 of 1647 🔗

pffft

434997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to RickH, 1, #1448 of 1647 🔗

Yes I’ve found that site useful for sharing to friends etc. Thank you

434849 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 22, #1449 of 1647 🔗

There is something religious about vaccinism. The true believers (among whom you can include ALL the Imperial College lot, who are strong supports of extreme vaccinism) think you can replace natural immunity. with vaccination and eliminate all infectious viral and other infections. Extreme vaccinism shades into transhumanism, the belief that the human species itself can be improved and made into some sort of immortal demi-god. Seeing the old and the vulnerable, the halt and the lame, queuing up to be vaccinated a couple of weeks ago in the local town centre, it felt almost like a pilgrimage – maybe a bit like Lourdes, where the poor suffering representatives of humanity may not be cured but, if they are lucky, find some hope and solace there. I think a lot of the vaccinated think in some bizarre way that they really are extending their lives and cheating death with the vaccination. They are consumed with fear of Covid as medieval peasants feared being condemned to hell for all eternity.

434862 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to OKUK, 5, #1450 of 1647 🔗

Yes I feel very sad when I see these queues of people.

You have a great way with words!

434885 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to OKUK, 4, #1451 of 1647 🔗

After reading this I think I can now understand a bit more why the pope and the Vatican (the Vaccican?) are so into vaccines!

434896 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to OKUK, 4, #1452 of 1647 🔗

Such a great observation. 🙂

434944 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 5, #1453 of 1647 🔗

It’s the denial of natural process & by definition anti-science. Trouble is the definition of science has become corrupt. People just don’t understand the difference between true science & applied science, the two are worlds apart.

434982 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to OKUK, 5, #1454 of 1647 🔗

You’re absolutely right. It’s part of the Covidian religion. The vaccination is their saviour.

435143 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to OKUK, #1455 of 1647 🔗

Very good, read some ancient Chinese wisdom(?) (here possibly) that everyone has two lives and that the second begins when they realise that they have only one life. I fear some second lives will be short.

434851 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to Dan L, 5, #1456 of 1647 🔗

There is one thing I thought of which is similar which is kidney donation. I must admit this also crosses a line for me, but I can see an argument for giving it to someone you love even though it is risk to your health. In a utilitarian sense you benefit more from keeping that person around than you potentially lose. But how many would give a kidney to strangers?

434859 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan L, 6, #1457 of 1647 🔗

For a loved one perhaps, but not under state direction!

434999 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to OKUK, 7, #1458 of 1647 🔗

But that’s exactly where the argument leads. Once people buy into the idea that we are responsible for other people’s health and that the government can mandate invasive medical treatments against one’s will to benefit the collective, it’s a slippery slope. Kidneys are a great example. We know one kidney can suffice, so why wouldn’t the state then mandate that the solution to the lack of donor organs be to share and share alike. Corneas could be fair game as well since we can manage seeing out of one eye. Why wouldn’t blood donation become mandatory? This is where medical fascism leads and yet the vaccine zealots don’t see it. When your body becomes the property of the state, it’s called slavery.

434871 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan L, 10, #1459 of 1647 🔗

I agree with your analysis Dan L.

But with respiratory disease vaccines, there is wider moral question: if the vaccines are suceessful and work, how will the world of pathogens respond and even if this specific vaccine protects us, are we raising the risk of serious disease being spread to the whole of humanity?

Will they collectively run up the white flag and say “We might as well go home – we’ve got no chance against these clever scientists?” or will they say “Come on lads, up and at ’em we need to get mutating so we can produce an effing horrendous version of ourselves that won’t just attack old and sick people but will bamboozle the vaccine makers and maybe, just maybe give us a chance of killing off lots of otherwise healthy people” I know which one my money will be on. The idea that there won’t be tens, hundreds, maybe thousands of pathogens lining up to take the place of Covid and Flu is naive.

This is not my own idea. I read up on this before Covid, when interested in what the flu vaccine was doing – many scientists thought it was implicated in the spread of SARS 1.

434900 ▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to OKUK, 7, #1460 of 1647 🔗

This is a very good point. I’m imagining a world (not this one!) where masks, lockdowns and vaccines are incredibly effective against viruses. All infectious diseases would disappear (in humans) our (natural) immune systems would wither. We would congratulate ourselves on defeating the scourge of infectious disease. But then a virus evolves to get round the defences it would kill billions. Even if that didn’t happen a point would come when you couldn’t lift the measures because that would allow pathogens to return and even the mildest one would now be fatal.

434905 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Dan L, 4, #1461 of 1647 🔗

I imagining if this were a movie plot, which it sometimes feels like.
Sars Cov 2 is just the trial virus. The real one is released a while later and wipes out all the refusniks. 😀

434912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to Mic67, 9, #1462 of 1647