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435144 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 7, #1 of 1890 🔗


435146 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to awildgoose, 1, #2 of 1890 🔗


435172 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #3 of 1890 🔗

Eaties, drinkies!

435145 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 134, #4 of 1890 🔗

‘Think about others rather than yourselves’: Queen’s astonishing intervention over vaccine take up.

So says the richest woman on the planet.

435155 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to Anti_socialist, 114, #5 of 1890 🔗

Nope. As selfish as it will sound, if everyone looked after their own health first maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess. A nation of fatties with health conditions brought on, in the main, by what they stick in their gobs and a lack of exercise. If we want to save the NHS, let’s save it from those causing the most strain on it – those described above (and I say this as an ex-NHS employee).

435159 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Dobba, 81, #6 of 1890 🔗

save the NHS for what? put the bloody thing out of its misery at last. I agree- let everyone take back control of their own health – and that includes making their own arrangements to pay for medical care

435262 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #7 of 1890 🔗

includes making their own arrangements to pay for medical care

OK, let’s first start with upping the minimum wage to allow those already on the poverty line in borderline jobs to afford health insurance – and to hell with those born with disabilities, such a drain, eh? And you of course would turn away a NHS ambulance should you collapse with a heart attack in the street?

435522 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 32, #8 of 1890 🔗

We spend as a nation £12k per year for a family of 4 on health. You can get BUPA for that, so where does all the money go, then? Not on the patients.

435586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to James Leary #KBF, 26, #9 of 1890 🔗

I cannot defend the blatant wastages and inefficiencies of the NHS system, much of which has been because of successive governments of all stripes imposing new ideas, dogma, agendas. rules, management layers, trusts, PFI etc. Nevertheless, we have as a nation contributed £trillions to this worthy idea, and it SHOULD work for the whole nation. Instead it had been run down, leaving it deliberately vulnerable to any crisis. The King’s Fund put it clearly in March 2020:

The total number of NHS hospital beds in England, including general and acute, mental illness, learning disability, maternity and day-only beds, has more than halved over the past 30 years, from around 299,000 in 1987/88 to 141,000 in 2018/9, while the number of patients treated has increased significantly. The UK has fewer acute beds relative to its population than many comparable health systems.

This manufactured C19 care ‘crisis’ is due to agenda driven spending policies, not lack of UK resources. And now a deliberate year on year underspending (or woefully inefficient and poorly targeted spending, which I think is more the point) on the NHS has backfired in spectacular fashion, the government propaganda machine shunts the blame onto those that might need care as opposed to those politicians (on all sides of the House) who have chosen to over and over vote to deprive them of it.

435737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 9, #10 of 1890 🔗

Agree – the NHS has been collapsing for decades and the Coof is the perfect cover for this

436831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mojo, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #11 of 1890 🔗

Precisely. And BUPA doesn’t cost anywhere near that. We have friends who have paid £70 per month all their working lives into a private insurance scheme. They never use the NHS but have effectively paid twice for their healthcare.

436100 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 9, #12 of 1890 🔗

Fuck the NHS it is shite, I’ve had 3 opps in 55 years and I’ve paid for them all as the waiting times on the NHS were unacceptable.

436226 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Jaguarpig, 10, #13 of 1890 🔗

the NHS it is shite

For the most part I’m not going to dispute that, rather I’m asking WHY is it ‘shite’ given the colossal infrastructural spending and goodwill that set it up, and the hundreds of billions pumped in every year to keep it going?
Many of us have horror stories to tell about the NHS, from unnecessary deaths (or near deaths) of our nearest and dearest via outright incompetence to outrageous neglect, but why should it be this way?
Then you look at a pillock like Matt Hancock, and you understand immediately the real value this government places on sorting out the deep problems of NHS; other than giving it away to USA private equity.
“Stay at home, protect the crumbling NHS, and save Hancock’s a**”

436272 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 6, #14 of 1890 🔗

Bad as he is and Hancock is indeed very bad , the now utter uselessness of the bloated NHS has been many years in the making. There is now very little left to save and it should be slimmed down to a first rate emergency and trauma unit, while the rest is privatised. For obvious reasons, US controlled companies should be barred from running any of these services, but of course that won’t happen.

436295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Rowan, 1, #15 of 1890 🔗

The NHS has been run down deliberately by successive neo-liberal governments. It remains a fine and entirely workable idea, it should be at the centre of the UK’s social and health, but too many corrupt and incompetent politicians have been involved in undermining it. As for USA private equity, it’s already happening.

436844 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mojo, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #16 of 1890 🔗

HS has been privatised for years. Most doctors medical centres are private entities. Many small operations units are private but use the NHS logo because they handle the overflow of local hospitals. Our dentists and opticians have moved away from the NHS and become private entities. We just are not to.d about the amount of privatisation that has gone on for years.

President Trump said he wouldn’t touch the NHS with a barge pole which is why he stopped Obamacare as it was based on a lie whereby crony politicians could make money out of the taxpayer.

436265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 15, #17 of 1890 🔗

No, lets start with copying the system in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Holland, Japan, Australia etc etc.
None of these countries have a 2nd world NHS, they’ve all got 1st world health care, no one goes without healthcare, they don’t have to die waiting for care unlike here and you’d be lynched if you suggested downgrading their healthsystem to an NHS in all those countries.
Stop the bleeding scare tactics and take a look round the world at what works!!!

436347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #18 of 1890 🔗

Scare tactics? Given this omnishambles of a government don’t you think it is justified?
This country does not have the GDP per head to approach the necessary contributions to copy the semi-private German system, nor the ingrained corporate financial discipline to make it work.
Everything here is quick buck cronyism, and then walk (or run) away from the consequences, we saw it with PFI. We also saw it with supposedly protected public utilities. We are now seeing it with Covid.
The UK runs a Food Bank serf culture, benefit dependency, temp jobs, high rents and a minimum wage that would hardly cover the average total monthly health insurance contribution in Germany. The UK elites don’t want the educational and structural changes that will strengthen and enrich the working class, and would rather have the current mess than upping the GDP per head.

436933 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #19 of 1890 🔗

The purpose of a health system is to provide healthcare, not to provide jobs.
Many countries with lower GDP than UK run the Social Insurance model.
How many more centuries do you want to run the failed NHS model for before admitting it doesn’t work and there is a reason the only other countries that have an NHS are Venezuela and N Korea.
Anyone who actually wants good healthcare for the working classes woukd prefer the Social Insurance model.
NHS lovers want to keep the working class as 2nd rate supplicants without a choice accepting the benevolence of their betters.

436848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mojo, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #20 of 1890 🔗

The world usually takes the best ideas and develops them for their own countries. No one but Obama in USA has ever thought of copying the NHS. That should tell everyone what a scam our health care is

436827 ▶▶▶▶▶ mojo, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #21 of 1890 🔗

We would be better off slimming down government and giving tax back to the workers. If this country had a flat rate of 5% tax and then a small 2% purchase tax on imported goods, most people would find they could provide excellent health care programmes for their families. If you divide the £billions paid into NHS by the 66 million legal citizens you will find our health care is shockingly expensive in comparison to countries who have an insurance based system.

435633 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to JaneHarry, #22 of 1890 🔗

I couldn’t agree more.

435162 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dobba, 54, #23 of 1890 🔗

If people want to eat themselves to death that’s their business. Same as my freedom isn’t anyone else’s business.

435167 ▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to Anti_socialist, 58, #24 of 1890 🔗

Completely agree. Your body, your choice. But that’s the real strain of the NHS – not covid. My taxes go to pay for other peoples poor life choices and now their choices will be limiting my freedoms if vaccine passports come into fruition.

435169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dobba, 22, #25 of 1890 🔗

Everyone pays national insurance, vat etc. I’d rather campaign against tax theft.

435176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #26 of 1890 🔗

National Insurance doesn’t fund the NHS. It’s taxes. But agree on the tax theft.

435180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dobba, 19, #27 of 1890 🔗

It’s all theft, to pay for to much government, I don’t care where it goes.

435776 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #28 of 1890 🔗

Not everyone pays national insurance.

435333 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Dobba, 29, #29 of 1890 🔗

(1) Your body, your choice. (2) My taxes go to pay for other peoples poor life choices

Can you not see where this fundamental contradiction is going? You can’t have it both ways without coercion, which is what lockdown sceptics are avowedly against. What you are really saying is ‘Your body, OUR choice’.
As long as one is part of the OUR.
If you want to go down this blame game, one has to look at the wider picture, the corruption and the corporate profiteering in Pharma, Energy, Food supply etc. Better ask why Tesco can sell processed food cheaper than the raw ingredients? Why are the fuel prices required to cook food so artificially high? Also the unequal opportunities in education, jobs and training to break out of the poverty cycle. Working class people generally ate very healthily in the ’50s and ’60s, so what has happened? University education was also free then btw.
So many politically driven structural changes have deliberately created a poverty line serf nation, which is now proving to be so inconvenient for the previous beneficiaries of this inequity.

435662 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 15, #30 of 1890 🔗

I don’t disagree with you on many of your points, but essentially, it’s personal responsibility. You’re born with one body – look after it or shit hits the fan. We live in a corrupt system whereby money matters most and ‘science’ is twisted to sell a product. There’s no coercion going on – if you want to eat yourself into a state – that’s your choice. No one has a gun to your head and I’m not going to tell you what to do and I’ll still pay my taxes to fund that. I’m simply pointing out that the ‘health’ system isn’t about health – it’s about money and we all have a responsibility to ourselves to ensure that system works better.

Just throwing more money at it all the time is pointless if you don’t get to the root cause. It’s like putting a bigger plaster/band aid on it all the time hoping it will get better.

With regards to processed food being cheaper – most of it isn’t food. It’s fillers and chemicals and additives. There’s little of the raw food in it, hence a cheaper cost. Maybe if we all learnt to cook from scratch rather than sticking in a microwave meal ‘because it’s easier’ we’d not be consuming al the extra crap that’s added as bulk.

Once again – personally responsibility for oneself. I’ll look after me for you, if you look after you, for me. The world gets better. 🙂

435767 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Dobba, 12, #31 of 1890 🔗

You’re born with one body – look after it or shit hits the fan.

As I have already said, it is not about the one’s willingness to look after one’s body or those of one’s family, but the financial and time resources to do so if living a poverty line existence. Two minimum wages are required to try and keep the family going. This is not the 50s or 60s, where one wage would suffice, with mum at home to cook ‘proper’ meals. ‘Mum’ can’t afford to do that any more, she’s off doing a night shift in a care home to make ends meet to pay the rent.
And so the unregulated supermarkets move in to cynically fill the gap with processed crap – yet are actively encouraged to do so by successive governments via a bent tax system.
Food banks do not provide choice, just processed subsistence living. Further, the presence of food banks allows supermarkets to keep overcharging punters for basic items as the supply and demand equation is effectively compromised. It’s a vicious circle.
Too many people at the top are way, way out of touch with poverty line Britain, and are now turning on the poor.

436808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #32 of 1890 🔗

Correct. The financialisation of everything since the early 70s has created the society and economy we live in. It was only a matter of time before the air we breathe ( carbon taxes) and our bodies ( vaccine certificates) become commoditised as well.

435229 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Dobba, 56, #33 of 1890 🔗

I agree people need to take responsibility. The longest queue I am seeing right now is at a drive through McDonalds. The US have just said that 2/3 of their Covid fatalties were clinically obese (which comes as no surprise) and I suspect it’s the same here. If they had wanted to do something useful the Govt should have been promoting good food and healthly lifestyles instead of bleating out all the lies and propaganda. In case anyone hasn’t noticed, all restrictions are actually harmful to health and immunity.

435301 ▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Suzyv, 23, #34 of 1890 🔗

Yes Suzyv I agree – having done my 87 year old Mothers (she isnt taking The Mark of the Beast) shopping on a Sunday morning for many months, I drive past the towns McDonalds and yes there is ALWAYS a queue.

435471 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Thomasina, 1, #35 of 1890 🔗

Just to say, this can’t be the mark of the beast as written in Revelation, because there is no Antichrist to worship yet. I do believe though that it is is preparing the way for the Antichrist system and the mark of the beast.

435640 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Liberty, 8, #36 of 1890 🔗

Antichrist? What about Bill Gates.

435663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Tillysmum, 2, #37 of 1890 🔗

We’re not commanded to worship him yet, but time will tell.

435826 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Liberty, 4, #38 of 1890 🔗

Xi? Biden? Schwab?

Harris is obviously the Whore of Babylon.

435717 ▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Suzyv, 5, #39 of 1890 🔗

In reality the 2/3s died because they were fat, not because their death certificate had covid on it.

436181 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to J4mes, 6, #40 of 1890 🔗

Shh! Being fat is the only unhealthy lifestyle choice that we’re supposed to pretend is not just OK, but something to be actually celebrated.

435277 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Dobba, 12, #41 of 1890 🔗

if everyone looked after their own health

You mean those DIY anti-leukaemia kits sold at Tesco? Or compulsory accident insurance in case some boy racer consigns you to a lifetime of painful disability, not to mention depriving your family of the man breadwinner? I mean, where does it end? Why not start with a basic competence test for government health ministers with the results published for all to see?

435299 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 18, #42 of 1890 🔗

Well for instance, you can cut sugar out of your diet. If everyone did this, and the NHS still had exactly the same budget and no other reforms, it could have coped significantly better with its obligations over the past year.

435327 ▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 23, #43 of 1890 🔗

Accidents are something completely different to what I was talking about – you know this. I’m talking about the main pressure on the NHS which is people’s life choices. Heart Disease, cancer, diabetes, COPD . . . the main causes of death come from one simple point on our bodies: our mouths and what we stick in them coupled with a sedentary lifestyle. Change that, and you change the admissions in hospitals. But the NHS is a business and being healthy isn’t good for business be that for medical and pharmaceutical companies or the NHS.

Why is it that the greatest cure for life is to change what we put in our mouths is seen as something alien, but pumping ourselves with drugs and a ‘pill for every ill’ has become the norm and something we should esteem?

435364 ▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Dobba, 17, #44 of 1890 🔗

Why is it that the greatest cure for life is to change what we put in our mouths is seen as something alien

Look back at the last 11 months and you have your answer. The Supermarkets have been given free licence by the government to profiteer and force the newly unemployed (due to this lockdown) to sign up to their club card schemes – or miss out on those price reductions necessary to make ends meet.
As I said in another reply, the price of raw food ingredients + energy is deliberately much higher than processed crap, so the processed crap companies make mega profits. Enforced supermarket shopping is a scam worthy of the mafia, and the likes of Tescos should be hit with a massive lockdown windfall tax to be ploughed straight back into the NHS.
People WILL eat properly, if by doing so it does not impact on their ability to make ends meet at the end of the month. Currently, for poverty-line UK, it does.

435664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #45 of 1890 🔗

Agreed – see my reply above this one. =)

437011 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FW, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #46 of 1890 🔗

Totally agree. So many issues here:

1) So many people have no real understanding of what constitutes a decent diet, and proper home cooking. This is because:

2) Basic cooking has not been taught in schools for many years (the old ‘domestic science’, or whatever, has become ‘food technology’, where pupils eg design a box for pizza; certainly the case a few years ago). And because it’s not been taught in schools, it’s increasingly less likely to have been taught at home…;

3) Most ‘official’ advice (eg the ‘Eatwell’ model, emphasising high carbs/low fat) is the exact opposite of what more discerning dieticians (eg Zoë Harcombe, Ivor Cummins and many others) advocate, ie low carbs, plenty of ‘good’ fats. The former leads to diabetes, the latter tends to prevent it;

4) The likes of Deliveroo and Just Eat are actively undermining the value of home cooking, all the time planting the subversive seed that it’s too difficult/time-consuming/etc. Their underlying message is designed to totally disempower a whole generation, to try to ensure that they never experience the satisfaction of
cooking eg a lovely basic pasta dish with green salad, fruit, bread and cheese. And God forbid that this generation should ever realise that a beefburger meal for six costs more than simple roast beef with lovely leftovers!

People could eat so well, even on a low income. So many excellent meals can be made from eggs, potatoes, onions, pasta, cheaper cuts of (well sourced) meat, tinned sardines etc etc. What is needed is information, and demonstration, building up confidence. But it doesn’t happen in schools, there’s no evidence of decent food in hospitals, etc etc. And our government really doesn’t care…. School lunches? Food boxes for poor pupils during lockdown?

Just don’t get me started..!

436015 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Dobba, 2, #47 of 1890 🔗

so true, you can eat cheaply and still eat very heathy food

436017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to sam s.j., 3, #48 of 1890 🔗

Agree. Really bugs me when people moan that fresh food is more expensive – it isn’t.

436271 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Dobba, #49 of 1890 🔗

Remember those the NHS classify as overweight live longer and have a better survival rate from surgery.
Could be a coincidence or maybe the PC NHS got this wrong as well.

435160 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 61, #50 of 1890 🔗

Another reason for a republic.What is the point of the monarchy when they join with the oppressors against the people.

435289 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jonathan Palmer, 17, #51 of 1890 🔗

A republic isn’t exactly a guarantee against oppression.

435406 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #52 of 1890 🔗

A republic just gives the oligarchy the oily sheen of legitimacy. An elected head of state? So what? The state remains the same.

435636 ▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 12, #53 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I think I will recant my recent irritated conversion to republicanism. Still very very disappointed with Queenie, but the thought of who the British people might be capable of electing (President Piers Morgan anyone?) has sobered me up.

Still think they need to go back to being strictly apolitical, so Charles has absolutely disqualified himself by his involvement in the highly political WEF agenda (which, like all technocracy, presents itself as above politics, but is not).

And I agree with Nomad, the state remains the problem. We can debate the merits of various systems, but none is a panacea. I read one of Omar Khan’s pieces yesterday, in which he argues that only by people personally engaging can anything be achieved. This remains the case whatever the system in place.

435423 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #54 of 1890 🔗

RUBBISH! LOOK at the French.

They FIGHT for their dignity and rights!

They are FAR MORE socially conservative than UKers.

ALSO, their aristocracy are actually a sophisticted and educated bunch.

When you think of the TRASHYNESS of the so-called Royal Family!

Low-level TRASH!

The British are PATHETIC for doffing their caps to these creepers: I GIVE UP!

435464 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FedupofLies, 9, #55 of 1890 🔗

Not really. The French aren’t exactly taking to the streets at the moment, more the Italians and Poles. The Dutch (and they’re a monarchy) riots put the French to shame.

Their aristocracy are no different to ours – many of them are not exactly sophisticated and educated. As my father-in-law (who is a historian of 18th century France) puts it, that’s more the upper middle class Parisians but the rest of France is no different to your average Joe here.

And I don’t doff my cap to the monarchy. I come from a country that calls itself a republic but its clearly not (more like an oligarchy) so I don’t exactly subscbrie to the view that a republic is the magic bullet that will cure society.

435542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #56 of 1890 🔗

Then there’s no point in society.

Just give up on everything.

Try and enjoy it before the inevitable totalitarianism comes.

It’s OVER.

Future generations WON’T look back in horror, like people always say ( they always say that as if history has a natural curve towards justice ) as there WILL BE no free future generations.

This is how it ends.





435602 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #57 of 1890 🔗

Actually I think that farmers in Lyon would beg to differ.

435544 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #58 of 1890 🔗

Hear hear. Here in Ireland, we are a “Republic” – however, our “President” signed the necessary lockdown legislation into law without batting an eyelid. Our constitution has been shown to be worthless.

435554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #59 of 1890 🔗

Yep. And its no different to say Italy or Czech Republic or Austria…..

435626 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #60 of 1890 🔗

Head of state in CR (Milos Zeman) is a senile imbecile.

436836 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Susan, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #61 of 1890 🔗

Same in USA

436739 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #62 of 1890 🔗

I agree but what is the monarch for if they will not intervene when a government abuses its power.
It is in fact worse than that,the Queen has been co opted into the government propaganda machine and the heir to the throne is a mouthpiece for the WEF.

435207 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 70, #63 of 1890 🔗

Bringing out The Queen at this late stage simply emphasises their desperation.
It’s a modern mutant variation on Boswell quoting Samuel Johnson.

‘Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels’.

435449 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to karenovirus, 15, #64 of 1890 🔗

Exactly – they’re desperate.

435618 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to karenovirus, 10, #65 of 1890 🔗

Same in Germany.
No takers for the AZ gene therapy.

435660 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JayBee, 3, #66 of 1890 🔗

My sources in CZ Rep (only from one town in this case) tell me that people (esp. older cohort) do not want AZ because ‘it is not very effective’. Apparently, they favour Pfizer. There is a word-of-mouth grapevine and this is the consensus in the town. (Seems info on Pfizer’s fraudulent past is not getting out, but then it isn’t really getting out properly anywhere, is it?)

You have three chances to get a vaccination: You can refuse two, if it is not the vaccine you prefer, but third refusal is your last chance.

435940 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 6, #67 of 1890 🔗

“…last chance.”

Or what? They’ll leave you alone, or force it on you?

436188 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #68 of 1890 🔗

Good point. Although to clarify it should be remembered that Johnson meant the appeal to patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel. He had no problem with patriotism itself. The quote is often mis-used to suggest there is something wrong with a love of one’s country.

435212 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Anti_socialist, 55, #69 of 1890 🔗

Who has had all her expected lifespan (and more) given her age. Not to mention if she gets a vax injury she can afford the best healthcare there is. Personally – I have an expected lifespan of 15 years to go and can’t afford that level of healthcare if injured. So – thanks all the same Yer Maj but I never listened to you anyway and won’t be listening now. As far as I’m concerned – the only difference between us anyway is your surname is Windsor and you have a lot more money than I do/more well-known than I am. I can’t see any other differences – so why would I listen to you?

435233 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to ElizaP, 17, #70 of 1890 🔗

It’s the war with Germany in 1914, the royal family changed their name.

The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917.

Her long life is down to the best a wealthy life can afford, nothing else.

435410 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to cloud6, 3, #71 of 1890 🔗

“The British royal family changed their surname (last name) from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917.”

So what?

Anti-German racism always starts leaking out when this gets discussed.

435625 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #72 of 1890 🔗

No, sorry, we all know we are Germans and we speak a Germanic language, English. That’s not racism, it’s fact, Fritz. Sorry, I meant Friedrich.

435715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #73 of 1890 🔗

Germans are not a race though
stop being a twat
Xenophobia – yes

436921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, #74 of 1890 🔗

Just don’t mention the war !

436920 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to cloud6, #75 of 1890 🔗

Her long life is down to the best a wealthy life can afford, nothing else.

Not a fan of the adrenochrome/Satanism/lizard genes explanations then, cloud6 ? 🙂

435213 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Anti_socialist, 35, #76 of 1890 🔗

Et tu Queenie.

Isn’t she supposed to be apolitical

435224 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Puddleglum, 30, #77 of 1890 🔗

Also, I thought they were fans of homeopathy? I’m not sure I believe they have had the vaccine.

435237 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Fiona Walker, 34, #78 of 1890 🔗

I would be very surprised if the Royal Family have been anywhere near this vaccine. They live long lives partly through privilege and because they use Homeopathy and Naturopathy. It’s a disgrace that they have allowed themselves to promote this dangerous “medical treatment”. Although from my research the Royal Family are equally involved in this “fraud” along with Govts.

435359 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Suzyv, 21, #79 of 1890 🔗

They are DISGUSTING TRAITORS to the British people.

I… can’t… believe how EVIL they are. NO WAY did the rebranded ‘Royal Family’ receive the vaccine.

They are LIEING!

And for centuries the British people have been doffing their caps to these morons.

I need to leave this country. If I had the means I would. My own monarch wants to experiment on me.


And anyone here who is a monarchist needs to understand this now. Face up to it.

I used to support the monarchy.

Anyone who supports them here now is frankly a joke.

435608 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Suzyv, 8, #80 of 1890 🔗

I think it’s safe to say ONE of them has been. He’s in hospital at the tender age of 99 having contracted covid-19 AFTER his vaccine.

But it’s safe and effective. For whom and at what, no one is sure.,

435947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #81 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I did wonder what he had been into hospital for. They never did say, did they? It was quite obvious to me.

435240 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Fiona Walker, 19, #82 of 1890 🔗

Nor do i think they had the ‘vaccine’. what on earth would possess their doctors to inject them with something that had not been tested at all on people of their age? They probably think they had it but i bet it was a placebo of some sort

435436 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to maggie may, 7, #83 of 1890 🔗

Philip is ill now – very soon after he’s probably had the 2nd dose of the vax and so it may well be that they had the real deal.

435549 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #84 of 1890 🔗

The reason it didn’t hurt, Brenda, is that they left the cap on the needle when they “jabbed” you.

436106 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #85 of 1890 🔗

Maybe she had the homeopathic dose of the vaccine? Hold a bottle of vaccine close to a syringe of saline. The crucial molecule transports homeopathically into the syringe and bingo, job’s a good ‘un.

437026 ▶▶▶▶ FW, replying to Fiona Walker, #86 of 1890 🔗

Yes, it’s always been discreetly known that they’re massively into homeopathy. That maybe why they live so long!
Not sure how this sits with taking the vax; looks well-intentioned but misguided. The point is surely not whether the jab hurts at the time, but what the side-effects are hours/months/years later!!!

435274 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Puddleglum, 33, #87 of 1890 🔗

Total crickets while the sovereignty of our country is handed over to an unelected foreign cabal but any sign of vaccine hesitancy she is right out there with the emotional blackmail and soft coercion.

435225 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Anti_socialist, 37, #88 of 1890 🔗

Indeed. How about surrendering some of that fantastical wealth of yours for the good of the people. And, while we’re at it, same to you Church of England.

435310 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 15, #89 of 1890 🔗

Bear in mind that in both cases, most of the money goes on salaries, wages and pensions for employees.
But that doesn’t entitle either the Queen or the Arch-traitor of Cant-erbury to stick needles in our arms.

435314 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 19, #90 of 1890 🔗

Many of this “fantastical wealth” isn’t exactly Her Majesty’s. The palaces and the Royal Collection are all state owned. And the latter is self funded and doesn’t recieve funding from the government.

But yeah, this intervention is ill-advised. The courtier who didn’t think of that should resign.

435367 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #91 of 1890 🔗

Take your point Bart, but the palaces being ‘state owned’ doesn’t benefit any of the rest of us one iota. And they all live a hugely priveleged/cosseted life. Sure, there’s a few downsides – it must be tedious cutting ribbons and engaging in boring small-talk with a few dignatories, but it’s hardly hard work as the rest of us know it.

Before this shitshow began, I was pretty pro-Royal, but no more. They are an irrelevence – just an upmarket version of ‘Eastenders’.

435416 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to kh1485, 16, #92 of 1890 🔗

They are traitors.

IF we get through this, they should step down and have the majority of their property taken away.

They can keep a manor house or two but they should be divested of all their serious property.

They are partaking in mass experimentation and possible sterilization of their countrymen and women.

And there some on here who support them?


435486 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 4, #93 of 1890 🔗

I take your point as well. I’m not too sure about the cosseted life – maybe physically but I can imagine the huge mental toll being a royal must take. One simply has to look at the Harry Markle shit show.

I don’t really have a view one way or another about the monarchy but having come from a republic and an unstable and corrupt one. I don’t subscribe to the view that a republic is a magic cure all.

435573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #94 of 1890 🔗

I’m not suggesting a republic, I don’t know what the alternative should be. Look, I’m sorry he lost his mum at such a young age and making him and his brother walk behind her coffin was cruel in the extreme. Re. Meghan, she knew what she was marrying into – she’s clearly not stupid. I have no sympathy for either of them right now, especially when they did their whingeathon in one of the poorest places on earth about how awful their lives are. They keep banging on about ‘privacy’, yet let the entire world into their lives. They could have gone off to live in obscurity and done real humanitarian work, yet they still sponge off Duchy of Cornwall monies. Let them earn a proper living instead of living off the cache of being royal.

I can’t imagine any of them are wondering how to eke out their money into old age right now.

436051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 10, #95 of 1890 🔗

kh, I agree with what you said about Harry & Meghan 100% – many of my colleagues were gushing about the wedding but I wasn’t. They thought I was a sourpuss when I predicted that she won’t last and they as a couple will bring misery to the Queen.

When the shit hit the fan one of my colleagues asked me if I was a fortune teller. No, I replied, I can see bullshit because I have a low tolerance for it.

436117 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 3, #96 of 1890 🔗

There are the hangers-on – the lords and ladies in waiting, the equarries, the security, the catering staff, all vetted to the n’th degree.

435409 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #97 of 1890 🔗

Ill-advised? Are you SERIOUS?

LOOK! THIS is the time for the monarch to INTERVENE.

That she does NOT shows she is a TRAITOR to her people.

How can you possibly go on supporting her?

Do you have ANY IDEA the seriousness of this effectively mandatory vaccine and the resetting of the economy? Of course you do.

You know, I GIVE UP: The British people will be doffing their cap to their alleged ‘betters’ just as they always have done.

FREE? Pathetic!

435477 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FedupofLies, 11, #98 of 1890 🔗

I do not support her but having studied this country’s political system, its not as black and white as it looks. As I said somewhere here, I did wish that she should have opposed this from the word go but that would have triggered a constitutional crisis and set a bad precedent no matter how noble the cause is.

The fact that the government has to wheel her out shows how desperate they’ve become. For all we know she might have done us a favour and discredit this government even more.

I think we should just agree to disagree and please stop shouting at me. Your caps give me that impression.

435558 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #99 of 1890 🔗


THIS is the time for a constitutional crisis.


THEY are introducing TOTALITARIANISM and SHE supports it.

The idea that it actually matters whether there is a constitutional crisis…

IF the scum get away with this, and her son SEEMS to be one of them, then there WILL BE NO LIBERTY and MANY will be sterilized and/or DIE.

YOU obviously don’t realise the PERIL we are in right now.

THIS is WORSE than the NAZIS.

They are coming for YOU!

436465 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #100 of 1890 🔗

Indeed, we are now at the thinnish end of a rapidly thickening totalitarian wedge. The Windsors long ago bought into the plebs must go routine, if they are to save the world from impending environmental catastrophe. Saving the world for themselves. of course.

435252 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 29, #101 of 1890 🔗

Rather disappointing but of course she would be made to say that. Wheeling her out shows that the government are really desperate as a vaccine take up has slowed down and people are starting to wonder why are we still locked down despite the target age group already vaccinated.

Methinks as well the royals’ complicity with this NHS worship is apart from the NHS being the new State Religion, they’re atoning as bearing in mind George VI was opposed to the creation of the NHS.

435419 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #102 of 1890 🔗

Then WHAT are they FOR?

435374 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Anti_socialist, 36, #103 of 1890 🔗

As I put it last night, the regime has cashed in its queeny chips.

The monarchy is a resource whose value lies for the most part in reserve. When revealed and spent, the result is likely to be disappointing and permanently damage the monarchy.

For a government to shoot its queeny bolt is either desperate or deranged and hubristic.

435394 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ovis, 27, #104 of 1890 🔗

They’re burning through the National Treasures as fast as the national treasure.

What’s next? A class of six year olds pleading with us to get jabbed so they can get back to school and hug granny?

435441 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 19, #105 of 1890 🔗

Don’t give them ideas…

435493 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 15, #106 of 1890 🔗

An advert with a CGI baby face telling mummy to get the jab so she won’t die and leave baby alone in the world…This will be next.

435623 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #107 of 1890 🔗

Like Wim Duisenberg said: “We’re like whipped cream. The more you beat us, the stiffer we get.”

435631 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JayBee, 5, #108 of 1890 🔗

OK, this will cut my viagra bill no end.

435431 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ovis, 25, #109 of 1890 🔗

It’s probably another sign that the vaccine take up has been much lower than they’ve been claiming officially. Attacking the BAME community for not having it hasn’t worked, so now they’re trying to guilt trip the rest of us.

435491 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ConstantBees, 12, #110 of 1890 🔗

They can’t exactly attack the BAME community as the R card would be used and of course many of them are in the NHS. Plus as we know the uptake among NHS staff is very low as well.

435655 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #111 of 1890 🔗

Well, they’ve spared no expense encouraging abuse of the BAME community by whomever in the Daily Mail comment section. Bleeds into other pro-jab article comments as well.

435440 ▶▶ mattblack, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #112 of 1890 🔗

Sunak’s wife is richer

435465 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #113 of 1890 🔗

Sad to see the leader of our National church embracing the saviour of the new Covidian religion. Her churches have become empty of Christ worshippers, due to the law, but full of those believing that death can be avoided by an experimental vaccine. With new rituals, new leaders, an NHS to worship and an eradication of normal Christianity, this new cult has everything. I’ll be giving the cult and its vaccine saviour a miss.

436208 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liberty, 6, #114 of 1890 🔗

It’s worse than that. Churches, at least in England and Wales, are ‘permitted’ to open, but many have taken the decision to remain closed despite that. We can get a McDonald’s takeaway but we can’t partake of the Body and Blood of Christ.

436601 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 4, #115 of 1890 🔗

Sums it up. The churches have abandoned God for the zCovid devil. The Covid devil will make sure that they get what they deserve, in full measure, pressed down and running over.

435553 ▶▶ mariehelene, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #116 of 1890 🔗

What enrages me about what she said is that it’s nothing to do whether the “ prick” hurts or not! It’s the whole experimental aspect she doesn’t seem to cotton on! That says a lot about her lack of awareness of medical mafia and the evil purpose of big pharma, or even her intelligence! It was a ridiculous intervention on her part!

435657 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to mariehelene, 7, #117 of 1890 🔗

I doubt she has access to the same sources that we have. I don’t see her as the type who surfs the Internet looking for information.

435695 ▶▶ Ian Reid, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #118 of 1890 🔗

Her husband is having to spend weeks in hospital shortly after having the jab. Hardly an advert for it is it? I think the cadaverous old Karen would be better off keeping her gob shut.

435709 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #119 of 1890 🔗

Adrenochrome has become a whole lot more believable thanks to covid and the vaccine. My pessimism on the existence of this evil drug is being challenged by the hideous behaviour of the establishment/medical world this past year.

435714 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, #120 of 1890 🔗

God save the Queef

435925 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #121 of 1890 🔗

Not to worry; when the inevitable inquest occurs, her place in it will be assured. I don’t want this country to be a republic, but any more of this unnecessary crap from her and I might be persuaded.

436344 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to RichardJames, 2, #122 of 1890 🔗

THIS is when a monarch who gave a damn would intervene.

She is a TRAITOR to the British people.


Or let some other pretender step forth!

435164 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #124 of 1890 🔗

After reflection on the headline, i’m worried exactly what words they mean!

435174 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #125 of 1890 🔗

The person who wrote the article hasn’t a clue.

435177 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 1, #126 of 1890 🔗

Don’t shoot the messenger. I don’t actually read the daily fail, just the headlines & comments. LOL

435179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #127 of 1890 🔗

Sure, not blaming you!
I once made a small comparative study of newspaper reports on the same subject, and realised that none of the reporters had actually investigated or reported anything. They just adapted what had been sent by (usually) Reuters by putting in into the style of their own particular rag.

435183 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 16, #128 of 1890 🔗

Investigative journalism went out the window years ago, they’re just corporate shills now, as you say Reuters makes it up & distributes it.

436213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 1, #129 of 1890 🔗

I used to call them ‘Rotters’ when I was a hack.

435250 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #130 of 1890 🔗

There’s a better report in the Telegraph, which details the madness a lot better.

435202 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #131 of 1890 🔗

I smell proper revolution on the horizon. It needs to catch on here… fast!

435148 Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #132 of 1890 🔗

Can the government force you to have the coronavirus vaccine?

435149 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #133 of 1890 🔗

Calming UK Report: 244 died, Including 8 Miscarriages, but these are “Short Term Effects”
UK government reports over 240 deaths shortly after coronavirus vaccination

435175 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 7, #134 of 1890 🔗

Muscarriage is a short-term effect?

435216 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 3, #135 of 1890 🔗

There was me thinking it was something that the woman concerned remembered for the rest of her life (assuming she’s one that chose to conceive that child)….

435188 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 12, #136 of 1890 🔗

So death is a short term effect? strabge that, I always thought it was final? Obviously I wrong.

435196 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #137 of 1890 🔗

I suppose death is short-term for a zombie. It’s living death that goes on, and on, and on.

436126 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, #138 of 1890 🔗

I thought the zombie meme was a load of bs until something worse appeared – the Maskies.

435222 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Judy Watson, 7, #139 of 1890 🔗

Indeed, according to some stats someone posted the other day, iirc, three of the deaths listed weren’t classed as ‘fatal’!

435313 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 29, #140 of 1890 🔗

Well, there’s death, non-fatal death, short-term death, trivial death, Really Serious Death, and Covid-Sadlideath, which trumps all the others.

435352 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Annie, 9, #141 of 1890 🔗

and Covid-Sadlideath, which trumps all the others.


435399 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #142 of 1890 🔗

The deaths of unborn children due to the vaccine in the trials and post vaccine in the roll-out are not counted as deaths so not included in fatalities- maybe that’s what they mean here. If anyone is or may be / get pregnant, they should definitely not have the jab whatever the GP practice / vaccinator says.

435580 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jos, -5, #143 of 1890 🔗

The essence of feminism.

The right to murder your own child.

Can we just accept here that men may be weak these days but that women are in fact EVIL?

436900 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FedupofLies, #144 of 1890 🔗

Brave, FuoL, brave.

(You’re not married, are you ? 🙂 ).

435150 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #145 of 1890 🔗
436257 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #146 of 1890 🔗

Yes, if we give them our jabs and they sadlidie then they won’t reoffend, and we will have dodged that bullet, while burnishing our virtue-signalling credentials. I see no downside, here.

435151 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #147 of 1890 🔗

Your right to think and act freely is CANCELLED: A newsreader forced out for quoting Shakespeare, and a top author ostracised for standing up for women… Author argues that was just the prologue to a new age of thought censorship Don’t know if anyone noticed, but that’s not the only freedoms we’ve lost! We are all under house arrest & turns your body your choice, isn’t actually true.

435156 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 29, #148 of 1890 🔗

but it’s interesting to note isn’t it, that freedom of speech was the first to go, and then all the rest quickly followed – almost as if freedom of speech is the one that underpins them all

435163 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #149 of 1890 🔗

I can think of other words to describe it 😉

435186 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #150 of 1890 🔗

Rather makes one think *this* has long been in the planning.

435403 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to JaneHarry, 11, #151 of 1890 🔗

An interesting point , Jane because it is an opinion more prevalent and deeply held than one might think .
A few years ago, the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta, there was an exhibition at Durham Cathedral about Magna Carta and its consequences and relevance down the centuries both here and in US. Every visitor was given a small token and at the end of the tour you posted the token in one of several large glass bottles representing what one might call “freedoms ” or “rights” eg the right to vote, equality for women , right to own property , etc. The bottle with overwhelmingly the most entries , in fact overflowing, was ” freedom of speech”. .

436893 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mikewaite, #152 of 1890 🔗

That would have been the maskers. 🙂

Was there even a bottle for the 2nd ?

436869 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #153 of 1890 🔗

… almost as if freedom of speech is the one that underpins them all

I think there is a better case for the Right to Bear Arms being the one that underpins all the others.

435152 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 30, #154 of 1890 🔗

I wasn’t aware of the Queen making an intervention on behalf of the governments por-vaccine quest last night, but I did find it interesting, and slightly disturbing that there was, apparently no mention of Phillip.

Considering that he has been in hospital for the past ten days with what has been described only as “an infection” the thought does strike me that he perhaps has suffered an adverse reaction to a second dose. The first was widely reported in mid Jan, and presumably they would not have been made to wait three months for the second like the rest of the plebs. That would have put the the second around the furst week in February, and he was admitted on the 14th or 15th.

435154 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #155 of 1890 🔗

He’s 90 odd he’s going to die very soon, if he hasn’t already. No surprise about that.

435157 ▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #156 of 1890 🔗

And even if he did die ‘of covid’ or ‘with covid’ it wouldn’t be reported as that as he’s had the ‘vaccine’ which would hurt the narrative.

435395 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Dobba, 1, #157 of 1890 🔗

Of or with vaccine is more damaging, politically.

435267 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, 13, #158 of 1890 🔗

There has long been rumours that the reason why Phil is in hospital is because he’s developed side effects from the vaccine.

The Queen’s intervention on behalf of the government shows desperation on their part and what are the odds that HM and HRH were not told of the side effects? My father-in-law had the vaccine and he wasn’t told what are the side effects. Cue a few days later he felt pain, pins & needles feeling and developed a nasty skin rash. Of course that worried the doctor as he’s also on medication for gout.

435588 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #159 of 1890 🔗

THey are IN ON IT!

THEY haven’t received the cunting vaccine, I can SWEAR!

435158 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 43, #160 of 1890 🔗

People please get with the narrative

They did not die from the vaccine they died with the vaccine

435178 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 26, #161 of 1890 🔗

Sheeples get jabbery,
Only to croakery.

435236 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Annie, 2, #162 of 1890 🔗

Poetry 🙂

435161 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #163 of 1890 🔗

The Great Lockdown Debate

An over statement, one side had no idea how viruses work & the other back tracked to appease the covidians, scared he’d be compared to Piers Corbyn. To be fair either Mike Yeadon was wrong about herd immunity or covid doesn’t exist, Toby Young can’t sit on the fence any longer.

A GP, Dr Clare Jones

Good on her, she knows its poison!

How Effective Are the Vaccines?

At what? Killing people? No better or worse than Covid-19. Preventing transmission? Evidently the government have no faith in them, why else are we still in lockup? They clearly don’t even think they will save their NHS. Because if the “vaccines” worked why all the coercive pressure to force people to take them.

On a more cheering note, deaths are plummeting now.

Could that be because the virus has burnt itself out, killing all those most vulnerable?

Lockdown States Suffer More Deaths Than No-Lockdown States

You can run but you can’t hide! Be stuck indoors with carrier is guaranteed infection.

Party slogans

Covid is fraud.

Where did our human rights go?

Human rights only matter at times of emergency, this shitshow proved we never had any.

‘Socialist’ Jacinda Ardern now only allows travelling for the ‘super-rich’

Told you socialism is in bed with corporatist globalism.

The corrosive fear of asymptomatic transmission

They haven’t even proved the virus exists ffs, let alone asymptomatic transmission.

The Ferguson Correspondence

Just fuck off!

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Send In The Clowns · Frank Sinatra

Woke Gobbledegook; Potato Head

Don’t speak about Boris that way.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Isn’t this obsolete by now?

435305 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #164 of 1890 🔗

To be fair either Mike Yeadon was wrong about herd immunity or covid doesn’t exist

I’m not sure what you mean? Genuine question.

Pretty solid post btw, although I’m not sure about the last statement.

435375 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, 2, #165 of 1890 🔗

Obsolete in the sense everyone’s ignoring it!

435538 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #166 of 1890 🔗

Ok, still not sure about your Yeadon point though.

I’m very intrigued as to whether Yeadon was right or wrong, or both, on herd immunity last fall. Not to score points, but just as an understanding of the virus spread.

435596 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to TJN, 3, #167 of 1890 🔗

Was fucking herd immunity.

Only, can’t you see they have LOWERED immunity of the population through deliberately dangerous SOCIAL DISTANCING and then mask wearing?!

It is to PROLONG the virus.

This is deliberately planned longterm BIOTERRORISM against the populations of the West.

435688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #168 of 1890 🔗

I suspect in was indeed in large part herd immunity. But perhaps, with the suppression by the spring weather last May, the virus hadn’t yet fully reached all parts of society, and thus they saw their first wave come winter.

Other than that, fiddled figures, lower general immunity owing to LD measures, increased and more serious infections owing to mask wearing, and flu mis-diagnoisis, probably accounts for the ‘second wave’.

Happy to hear contrary arguments though.

435318 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #169 of 1890 🔗

Odd though. When we were in NZ some years ago, we flew over the Franz Josef glacier in a chopper because it’s the only way you can get to see it properly. And plutocrats we weren’t, living a happy life in NZ motels (invariably excellent, and pretty cheap) and doing our own catering.

435241 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #171 of 1890 🔗

Did you read Left Lockdown Sceptics yesterday? Big Pharma due to make $23 billion a year from so-called vaccines

435166 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #172 of 1890 🔗
435171 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to Anti_socialist, #173 of 1890 🔗

Link is broken.

435168 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 76, #175 of 1890 🔗

Me and my bestie are going out today, as we have done since lockdown began to meet as many of you as possible. We ‘re going to act like we’re healthy, cos we are and look people in the eye and say we are not a disease vector. You can embrace paranoia, but we’re not. You may know my bestie. He’s called my immune system.

435337 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PatrickF, 11, #176 of 1890 🔗

Have a good time, Patrick.

435346 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PatrickF, 7, #177 of 1890 🔗


435170 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #178 of 1890 🔗

Drug used to treat head lice and scabies might be the key to beating Covid-19, study says Is this news?

Vermectin causes ‘repeated, consistent, large magnitude improvements in clinical outcomes’ according to the study……….It is understood that Dr Tess Lawrie, director of the Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy has submitted a 97-page report to the World Health Organisation, urging it to recommend ivermectin to treat the virus.

435198 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #179 of 1890 🔗

Probably bad news for nits.

435215 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #180 of 1890 🔗

And parasites.

435223 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #181 of 1890 🔗

And scabs.

435228 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 1, #182 of 1890 🔗

And flu.

435321 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #183 of 1890 🔗

None flu over the cuckoo’s nest.

435368 ▶▶ rose, replying to Anti_socialist, #184 of 1890 🔗

Is that the same drug that you could only use once a year because it was so toxic?

435373 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to rose, #185 of 1890 🔗

Probably, I try to steer clear of all man made synthetic drugs. Nature can generally provide safer alternatives. That’s not to say nature doesn’t have its deadly toxins too!

435497 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #186 of 1890 🔗

Stupid headline but Ivermectin finally getting more mention in the msm is a step in the right direction.

435181 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 40, #187 of 1890 🔗

Slightly off piste here ,but for all sceptics languishing in this increasingly divided , divisive and heavily indebted country, the following should resonate:


Scotland Matters has started its billboard campaign, with the first, in Greenock, attracting much support .

So, we have a chance to Stop The Sturgeonator by voting on May 6th.

What has shocked and dismayed me is to have learnt today, thanks to Scotland Matters, that no public appearances, nor even leafletting, will be permitted in the run up to the election date.

She Who Must Be Obeyed has used the draconian lockdown restrictions to deny fully effective participation to campaigners.What kind of a democracy is this?

So, pizza leaflets can be delivered, as can doorstep takeaway deliveries, Amazon deliveries etc, while she continues to make the most of her daily telly appearances, soap box at the ready.

This cultish control creep must be challenged; it must be stopped.

We’re confined until April 26th-following which Tiers for Fears will be resurrected- and then expected to vote in a frankly rigged election process, before joyously celebrating the plans for another neverendum.

Fear rules here; opposing opinions are withheld, for fear of persecution and pile ons, social and economic life are dying, young people are being robbed of hopes, prospects, education and normal socialisation and apathy, anomie and mindless compliance dominate what passes for society.

Zero covid provides a convenient, if frankly barmy, cover for the controllery to continue ad infinitum.

How much more damage must we endure ?

Even the he said/ she said scandal brewing in Holyrood is being reduced to a partisan farce.

435184 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to wendyk, 21, #188 of 1890 🔗

The upcoming Scottish elections are a farce

In Scotland opposition parties cannot campaign because of coronavirus restrictions, but the governing party gets live air time every single day.

435190 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #189 of 1890 🔗

That is a single-party dictatorship. People need to get out and campaign. Spread leaflets. DO IT! It is NOT TRUE. You have a “reasonable excuse” and that’s the LAW.

435193 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #190 of 1890 🔗

Goebbels would be proud ! Propaganda, agit prop and denial of media time, leafletting and campaigning to the opposition.

It is shameful.

435189 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to wendyk, 14, #191 of 1890 🔗

I can’t even get to grips why the Salmond scandal is allowed to continue, why do his accusers get anonymity if he was acquitted?

If he’s found innocent then they must by definition they must be false accusations, so we should all be able to hear the dirt on Sturg-un, in itself it’s a scandal.

Salmond’s testimony: The bits the Crown Office didn’t want you to hear

435195 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #192 of 1890 🔗

All formerly accepted, tried and trusted legal, social, economic and democratic norms appear to have been subjected to the new fluid, post truth ideology so gleefully promoted by the cabal whichrules the Holyrood roost.

435182 Hattie, replying to Hattie, 75, #193 of 1890 🔗

What the hell is this going on with this site, ATL. We have an article about how effective are the vaccines and an insert of ‘that is encouraging.’ Where is the data of adverse reactions, the literature from the pharma companies on their limited trials, no known data on medium to long term effects, on fertility, on contraindications with other drugs, the point this is on emergency licence, our rights of non coerce, mandated drugs, the red line forced drugs crosses regarding our right to body autonomy and so on. Why is this site constantly pushing the positives of enforced vaccination and not, with the same fervour fighting the right to decline state medication, particularly for a non lethal virus and an experimental drug . I would rather see articles of how wrong this whole policy is, questions of where our human rights lawyers are etc., Instead of constantly promoting the perceived positives of a rushed, experimental, fill my boots with cash for those connected, drug experiment.

435185 ▶▶ Hattie, replying to Hattie, 50, #194 of 1890 🔗

And in addition, why is this site not questioning the claims about antibodies – how are they actually coming to their conclusions about the vaccines creating antibodies. In a controlled trial yes, but on a willy, nilly vaccinate everything that moves, how are they coming to these conclusion – is every person, or a large percentage of vaccinated returning for blood tests on antibodies. I think not … Please LS start doing some investigative journalism or at least start questioning the narrative.

435192 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Hattie, 9, #195 of 1890 🔗

Not to mention the censorship & editing of comments. Already lost comments to approval this morning.

435194 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #196 of 1890 🔗

Did they include more than one link?That automatically goes for ‘approval’, irrespective of content.

435197 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 2, #197 of 1890 🔗

I know, but i did accuse TY of sitting on the fence.

435211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #198 of 1890 🔗

It’s up now ‘an hour ago’

435511 ▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #199 of 1890 🔗

Yes,I tried asking a simple question last week about a supposedly anti-lockdown group who were sending me e-mails that I’d like to know more about and it kept getting deleted. I just wonder why.

435187 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 53, #200 of 1890 🔗

We need to ask MPs, and journalists need to ask MPs (URGENTLY), the following question:

Are you pushing relentlessly and obsessively for people to have this vaccine a) because you actually think they need this vaccine (because most people don’t), or b) because you know that you and your colleagues have already DECIDED to try to force the people of this country to be subjected to a digital ID system that will attempt to require people to carry around a device that monitors their every move, carries all their medical information and gives them “credits” for good behaviour that they can exchange for goods and services, because you have accepted some deranged notion that this is the only way to “save the planet“ and you have accepted that this is going to be imposed on the people of this country?

And if ANY version of the latter is true, are you aware that this is tyrannical, unethical, immoral and completely antithetical to British sensibilities?

Ask it. Demand answers, NOW! Because if they have already acted, agreed, signed up to ANY version of this… we need to know and put a stop to it… NOW

Do you see what I’m saying. I joined the dots. I couldn’t sleep for puzzling over WHY these – previously rational sounding, for the most part – MPs were all, suddenly, like hysterical maniacs, pushing this dodgy vaccine. They can’t possibly think it’s ethical to coerce people into taking an experimental drug that’s not even completely human trials. They must know something we don’t know. They must have been told that these digital IDs are going to be forced on us. That must be why they are shunning ANY reasonable questions and frantically trying to pursuance is to succumb. Anyway, that’s my latest theory. Thoughts???

435191 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #201 of 1890 🔗

Why do you think they’re so obsessed with 5G, surveillance!

435205 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 49, #202 of 1890 🔗

It is indeed now looking very sinister, nearly 19 million people vaccinated and 4 million who have had Covid, so a total of 23 million or around 50% of the adult population add to that the people with natural immunity and it is a case of job done, as witnessed by the rapidly falling figures.
We may not like the way the job has been done but I guess we are where we are and it is time to pack up the circus and go home but they cannot stop. We do not go around vaccinating younger people against flu in the summer-time. Indeed, even if you are happy with the vaccines, as we approach better weather there is increasingly little point vaccinating anyone with a dodgy potion that only lasts 6 months.
So as you say why all the hysterical drive for vaccinations? maybe they have all gone collectively insane? and indeed that may be true for some but it must be more than that.

435232 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #203 of 1890 🔗

Hey, but they all went collectively insane about lockdown too. So it’s not without precedent.

435234 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #204 of 1890 🔗

Conspiracy, cock up, something else?

Now that her Maj has been wheeled out to brow beat us into submission I’m starting to err towards your poit of view.

435247 ▶▶ divoc origi 19, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #205 of 1890 🔗

That is very reasonable. The goal is a “safer” country (safer = more surveillance, ie the digitalisation of everything). The short term method is health and financial data all on your smartphone / app. Long term, that data will all be accessed from your biometrics. Imagine, a universal ID system, linking your health (medical records, vaccinations, live data from smart watch), online behaviour (social media activity), finances (money in / money out / savings / investments / digital currencies) and physical movement (GPS, “checking in”) all to your facial / iris scans, which are stored on a global, non-hackable blockchain technology.

Once you have all this data and info, you essentially have the tools to be able to predict the future. And as wild as that sounds, just think about it: social media companies already bombard us with ads for products that the algorithms know we will want. Scale that up to all areas of my life, and all of a sudden, some hyper intelligent piece of software will be able to predict where I want to live, work, holiday, spend my money, drink, eat and socialise. It will also conclude that I am at risk of diabetes / obesity etc and therefore a potential burden on the health system – and liable for a lifelong higher tax rate to compensate for my future unhealthy lifestyle and carbon footprint.

435336 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to divoc origi 19, 10, #206 of 1890 🔗

I think we have to bite the bullet and ditch the smartphone. Or stop leaving your house with a digital device strapped to your hip. If we CHANGE the way we behave, there will be no way they can enforce this. By keeping our phones on us the whole time, we are playing the game. For many years I insisted on being send PAPER airline tickets after they made it all digital. And I’ve gone PAPERLESS with my bank statements and tax returns. Hmm, I’ve succumb to the digitisation of my life. We maybe we need to turn back before it’s too late.

435343 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #207 of 1890 🔗

The falure of the T&T and the QR codes show that so-called “passports” won’t exactly work the way they want it. Even top of the range smartphones had trouble with the NHS app and QR codes.

435439 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to divoc origi 19, 8, #208 of 1890 🔗

Could it be to keep track of us when the federal reserve collapses and our currency is worth nothing? Predicted to be imminent.

435844 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to divoc origi 19, 3, #209 of 1890 🔗

The infrastructure described would require enormous amounts of time, energy, and money to implement.

There’s no way they’re running all that on wind power.

435434 ▶▶ jos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #210 of 1890 🔗

I get where you’re going with this and I had very similar thoughts at the beginning of lockdown- could this in some way be happening because they know something we don’t and want to protect us? Are they shielding us from a worse truth than pretending there’s a virus? But I don’t believe that any more and the reason is the number of times I’ve had the sense that they are keeping something from us but they aren’t scared by it – the times when the main perpetrators look as if they’re suppressing laughter is disconcerting and very revealing. This is happening less now so maybe the nefarious backstory to the covid fraud is falling apart and they know it. 🤞

435846 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jos, 1, #211 of 1890 🔗

Cue extra-dimensional alien invasion in 3…2…1…

435199 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 27, #212 of 1890 🔗

Do one’s duty, your Majesty? Do one.

435206 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PatrickF, 11, #213 of 1890 🔗

The Problem is what comes after her.

435218 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #214 of 1890 🔗

Charlie is that out of touch, he has let it be known that he will want to be known as George the 7th.

435219 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #215 of 1890 🔗

The madness of George 3, 4, 5, 6…

435302 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 1, #216 of 1890 🔗

I believe that George 5th used to talk to a stuffed parrot.
Now, which is the way to the tower?

435200 TC, replying to TC, 15, #217 of 1890 🔗

Is the msm thrust of “reporting” changing or am I being paranoid?
From: Lockdowns,lockdowns & more lockdowns.
To look at the damage suffered by some people during lockdowns.
Lockdowns “obviously” work (at least according to one “medical corresponsent” on tv news.
But lockdowns cannot go on – look at some people suffering.
The vaccines will save us and we should/must be vaccinated.
People who refuse vaccination are at best misinformed and at worst completely anti social and the reason why lockdowns may well have to be used again.
Don’t expect the status of a conscientious objector in the gulag.
It’s pointless trying to point out to them things like the comparison between non lockdown and lockdown states in the USA or how death statistics have been manipulated because they must be complicit in the problem we face but I feel their narrative is changing and they’re coming for us sometime soon.
Ok, I can live with that because I live in hope that our day will come but we need that political will from some politicians.

435220 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TC, 11, #218 of 1890 🔗

My local Labour MP who has consistently demanded ‘more lockdown sooner and longer’ has suddenly changed his tune and is demanding local restrictions be ended sooner because cases/deaths in the area are among the lowest in the country.

435227 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 16, #219 of 1890 🔗

They will all come scurrying out of the cracks and crevices now claiming they were opposed to lockdown all along.

435309 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Will, 5, #220 of 1890 🔗

It will be our sacred duty to remind them that they were not.

435325 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #221 of 1890 🔗

Our life’s work, if necessary.
Nuremberg 2 will have to try them in batches.

435340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 7, #222 of 1890 🔗

Exactly. Someone on Twitter told me that they’ve been getting screenshots of mask selfies and pro-lockdown posts to use as proof.

435385 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Annie, 8, #223 of 1890 🔗

I see a football stadium, the trials taking place on a huge, lit stage installed on the pitch. Microphones, large screens, the whole shebang.
The stands stuffed with folk who won’t need encouragement to throw shit and rotten food and all kinds of nastiness at the accused.

435444 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to bluemoon, 3, #224 of 1890 🔗

The Handmaids Tale was a prediction – who knew?

435231 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 2, #225 of 1890 🔗

LOL – thinking “Now isn’t that what I remember Ben Bradshaw saying?” – ie the guy who used to be my MP and then I moved. Okay – I’ll give as much credence to that comment then as his comment to me one time of “You were a big influence on me”. Yeah – right – of course NOT…..

435332 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to karenovirus, 1, #226 of 1890 🔗

Great! Who is this? Please tell. We need to know who is standing up for us!

435836 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 2, #227 of 1890 🔗

Might be a hole starting to appear in the dyke? Last year some MPs were wanting local exemptions but they were Tories.

435886 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 1, #228 of 1890 🔗

Tell him/her to make early stage HCQ/IVM treatments available to bring the numbers of deaths FROM covid and influenza down to zero.

435203 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 20, #229 of 1890 🔗

Encouraging news from the Metro
‘Every single prosecution (246) under the Coronovirus Act has been unlawful’.

Probably on the basis of the last line on this screenshot.

‘The Act gives Police the power to detain potentially infected persons for screening’.

The police did not use the Act in this way.

From an idea by Alex Belfied.

436160 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, #231 of 1890 🔗

Thank you

435204 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 56, #232 of 1890 🔗

I watched “The Great Lockdown Debate” between Toby and the cowardly turncoat Snowdon – I can only imagine Toby is being gracious in victory with his comments ATL because it was an absolute bloodbath. Like most people on our side, he brought the heavy artillery to the battlefield – facts, studies, real world data. Snowdon brought a vape pen and a whiny insistence that lockdowns HAVE to work, human separation, germ theory yadda yadda yadda.

Slapped in the face with all of the classic lockdown busting experiences of Sweden and Florida, Snowdon slouched further into his chair to the point where I genuinely thought he’d pull a blanket over himself and fall asleep. His counter arguments to Toby’s forensic, stat-laden destruction of the most oppressive NPI to ever crawl out of a one party Communist state were so noticeably cold, so completely uncaring about the colossal harms this dreadful policy has inflicted on every section of society save for the lucky few (and that includes heads of think tanks evidently).

Even his languid, smug appearance, chewing on an e-cigarette whilst glibly warbling about his apparent support for the descent of the UK into a totalitarian police state – you would have been forgiven for mistaking him for a cosy Tory grandee, blind to the immense suffering around him because “I’m alright Jack” and “we’re saving lives here, how can’t you understand this?”

I’m disappointed that Toby didn’t take the time to debunk the hugely inflated Covid deaths or the shocking conflation of positive PCR tests with “cases” and “infections,” and its clear he’s never going to be our messiah when it comes to these highly dangerous, experimental vaccines. However, it was a solid continuation of the fine groundwork laid down by Peter Hitchens a couple of weeks ago – like Hodges, Snowdon has showcased his total lack of research on the very policies he is professing support for. These men sound more like hollow government spokespeople rather than serious journalists or commentators, like millions of others in this country they have succumbed to the egregious propaganda, the spin, the media hysteria, the manipulating of data to suit the narrative and worst of all, the blatant lies.

Lockdown Sceptics 2 – Zealots 0
(Hitchens, Young)

435221 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Scotty87, 5, #233 of 1890 🔗

I’m not so impressed, but I come from a different approach, you facilitate lockdown by presuming taking one person’s freedom for another persons safety, should be up for debate in the first place!

I said this earlier, Mike Yeadon was either wrong about herd immunity (kind of destroys months of TY’s LS reports) or Covid-19 doesn’t really exist, either way TY is wrong about Covid-19, as he described how bad it was in the “great debate”. So I don’t see any glory.

435386 ▶▶▶ ThomasPelham, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #234 of 1890 🔗

Not Quite; the HIT was reached last spring in those conditions. But the HIT is a product of R; the seasonal conditions allowed for an increase in R thus raising the HIT threshold. This is why there are waves of airborne diseases every year. One of the biggest problems with the modeling of this pandemic has been the blind insistance that there is no seasonal affect.

Whether this is a behavioral one, based on our immune system, or innate for the virus is another matter.

435507 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to ThomasPelham, 1, #235 of 1890 🔗

If herd immunity had been reached, then the 2nd “wave” wouldn’t have been worse than the first! Presumably regardless of mutation natural immunity from the initial “novel” Covid-19 infection would afford protection against any variant. Either herd immunity hadn’t been reached (Yeadon was wrong) or Covid-19 wasn’t the cause of death in recorded “cases”.

Either way Toby asserting Covid-19 is worse than flu etc as he did yesterday is erroneous.

435642 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #236 of 1890 🔗

I would say it’s both.
Flu&co deaths are registered as Covid, thanks to the inflated cts.
Best proof is Oz/NZ who apparently use cts of 23 and see people dying of flu&co instead.
Also, the non-exiting excess mortality in most places.

I have been a HI/HIT doubter in general since watching a Gatti/Montanari video and as such was sceptical of Yeadon/Tegnell/GBD Gupta in that regard (only): HI and in particular tge HIT is a myth,
a computer model created by computer modelers, aka epidimiologists, without any hard medical evidence, invented by computer modelers on behalf if the pharma industry to justify vaccinating people not at risk of a pathogen and disease.
Even that model falls apart completely when incorporating for the movement of people between differently penetrated regions, aka the real world, e.g.
At most, it is an outcome that evolves naturally over centuries but cannot be brought about artificially, let alone a HIT be predetermined or measured in practice.

435238 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Scotty87, 26, #237 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for the review, I couldn’t face watching it, I think I’ve got to the point where I don’t even want to hear arguments in favour of lockdown any more.

Re Snowdon’s lack of research, I would imagine people like us are far more passionately anti-lockdown than those in favour, and therefore prepared to put much more effort into reading around the issues. There’s no way in hell I would have read half the stuff I have if I didn’t seriously care about what is happening!

435283 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Adamb, 15, #238 of 1890 🔗

I think many people just can’t be bothered to do their research. Someone I know is very dimisssive of the Daily Mail and loftily said during our meetings that she would never dignify that “newspaper that shall remain nameless with a click.” Never mind if the DM has given platforms to experts who are able to lay down the facts and logic in a coherent and easily digestible way as well as publishing scientifically literate articles.

And of course if you debatre with lockdownistas and people who support them, its the same old, same old – hospitals are overwhelmed, children are superspreaders, health before wealth, etc. Not one of them has bothered to address the real fall out from all this and if you say that you’ve been struggling its the usual trite “I’m sorry” or “I wish I have a magic wand to wave your mental health issues away.” To the latter I always want to shout back “then use your magic wand to wake yourself up!”

435317 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #239 of 1890 🔗

Sorry but I always thought the expression was;

‘Health is Wealth’

Given all the trials and tribulations I hear from People in the Uk I don’t think there is much ‘health’ going on. Rather the opposite

435335 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #240 of 1890 🔗

Can’t remember where I heard the “health before wealth” could have a sign I saw at a university. But yeah first time I saw it, it did make me scratch my head for the reason you stated.

435400 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #241 of 1890 🔗

It’s one of those glib slogans that people get can behind, such as ‘save the planet’ or ‘ban the bomb’ (oops showing my age).
I noticed it recently when a local news site reported on the groups planning to demonstrate against the G7 meeting in June.

435494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 1, #242 of 1890 🔗

Yep. Like “people before profit”

What are the odds that we will have the usual suspects protesting in June?

435840 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to bluemoon, 1, #243 of 1890 🔗

Glib slogans are the most effective. The defence lawyer for OJ Simpson who told the jury “if the glove doesn’t fit, you must acquit” knew what he was doing. It also helped that the jury were not very smart so a little jingle made an impact.

435451 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #244 of 1890 🔗

That is worse than naughty to say “I wish I have a magic wand to wave your mental health issues away”. I would take that as an insult – as it would be telling me that I have mental health issues and my reply to that would be “No mental health issues here matey – I’ve spent all 60 plus years of my life to date 101% mentally healthy. I’m so sorry if YOU have mental health problems though”.

435502 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 1, #245 of 1890 🔗

Agree but in her defence it was because I told her that this lockdown has triggered my mental health issues that have lain dormant for over 20 years. She’s young (in her early to mid 20s) and possibly really has no clue about how lockdown has affected people badly and how everyone is not as lucky as she in living in a nice area with vast expanses of green space. Therefore I do cut her some slack here but she’s not exactly in my good books either.

436885 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Scotty87, #246 of 1890 🔗

I would never watch Toby – well done for starting this site but he knows very little of the relevant data.

435208 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 7, #247 of 1890 🔗

So, still nothing ATL about vaxx passport! Especially now that eu is moving towards imposing them on the continent. What Bojoke will do?

435269 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheClone, 14, #248 of 1890 🔗

Bozo will let the private sector take the lead hence the announcement of late summer
music festivals (in planning with government for months) which will demand Passports and/or screening as a condition of entry.
Full capacity at such events will mark a moment of victory for Passport zealots.

It’s how Hitler ran Nazi Germany, by letting it be known what general direction of travel he wanted and leaving his underlings to fight among themselves to achieve it.

435583 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 3, #249 of 1890 🔗

I have seen a few events being advertised and none of them so far are mentioning anything about covid safety or testing and passports being needed. Reading Rock, a model aeroplane show, another festival. This looks encouraging.

435845 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Two-Six, 2, #250 of 1890 🔗

I think it feeds the sense of something like normality returning this year and a lot of people will be disappointed and even angered if it does not.

436149 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, #251 of 1890 🔗

Passport/testing for such events was a topic on the Jeremy Vine show Thursday. Most callers agreed, natch.

435209 danny, 83, #252 of 1890 🔗

I can take a lot of criticism and abuse from mask enthusiasts and their adherents. but until now I have held firm, using the scientific opinions of medical professionals and experts from across the world.
But I awake this morning to the devastatingly news that a 90 year old millionaire tax evader who was home schooled before completing a 6 month vehicle maintenance course during the war as the pinnacle of her education, has looked into the matter, and officially declared that the vaccine “doesn’t hurt” and that those refusing the vaccine are “selfish”.
Off for me jab this morning ma’am.

435210 waller, replying to waller, 10, #253 of 1890 🔗

when does the emergency coronavirus act end? when will it be voted on again? how can another 6 months possibly be justified?presumably no more vaccine under emergency use when it stops so roll out will stop?

435265 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to waller, 16, #254 of 1890 🔗

My understanding is that the Coronavirus act lasts for 2 years from March 2020, but is subject to review every 6 months

However, this is far from the only bit of legal stuff on this virus, there has certainly been a pandemic of legislation on this virus, Hansard reckons there have been 378 separate pieces of coronavirus legislation;
Many of these have been statutory instruments controversially made under the Public Health Act.
The separate face mask regs last until July but I rather expect they will just be re-enacted.

This plethora of legislation seems to me to the characteristic approach of a totalitarian authoritarian state all done under Uberfuhrer Johnson, the Great Dictator in a Teddy Bear costume.

435217 Basics, 4, #255 of 1890 🔗

Bleak outllook for Caber tossing.
Outdoor, windy, wet, oft with rain, games are too dodgy. But cooked up in a little telephone box one after another after another in a voting booth in May totally fine.

Must be the Highland variant they are afriad of, no that doesn’t add up because they vote in the Highland too (and the Lowlands used to throw a good Highland Games too).


Wonder if Olympics will go ahead. Or do they need the propaganda of stopping them to punish the world more?

435226 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #256 of 1890 🔗

The Queen pushing for an experimental and potentially dangerous vaccine – who would have thought that !
Read “The Biggest Secret” (1996) by David Icke to understand why..

435275 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nickbowes, 6, #257 of 1890 🔗

He always said The Queen was one of the lizard people.

435292 ▶▶▶ nickbowes, replying to karenovirus, 9, #258 of 1890 🔗

These snakeheads are everywhere esp parliament, the US govt, media and legal profession- they control all aspects of our lives. It would be easy to fight back as the “99%” but i guess people are now too far gone with the “programming”.

435230 PatrickF, 20, #259 of 1890 🔗

The Queen is a-political, apart from her views on the vaccine. Better that she said democracy is dead and the monarchy is redundant.

435242 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #260 of 1890 🔗

Hi All!

The latest ‘Real Normal Podcast’ is here.

NORMALITY? SOON? We discuss the ‘Rocky Road’ Ahead….ENJOY!


435245 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 2, #261 of 1890 🔗

I listened earlier in the week. Another great episode boys x

435249 ▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #262 of 1890 🔗

Cheers! Lets hope it’s almost as great as the THRASHING we dish you this Saturday! 😂 😂

435258 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #263 of 1890 🔗

Cheeky! I’m Anglo-Welsh so a foot in each camp though I do tend to be English for football and Cricket and Welsh for rugby!

435263 ▶▶▶▶▶ THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #264 of 1890 🔗

Lets not talk about the cricket….

435489 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #265 of 1890 🔗

Same here. Wales for Rugby, England for Football. not that I’ve paid much attention this year. No tv licence and the pubs are shut so no where to watch it, and it just isn’t real without fans.

435243 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 57, #266 of 1890 🔗

Reluctant though I am to criticise HM The Queen, her suggestion that people declining the vaccine are selfish is profoundly ignorant. There is no data to show that the vaccines prevent transmission of the virus so my decision on whether or not to have the vaccine has no effect on anyone except me.

435253 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to AngloWelshDragon, -49, #267 of 1890 🔗

“There is no data to show that the vaccines prevent transmission of the virus so my decision on whether or not to have the vaccine has no effect on anyone except me.”

And the immunosuppressed.

That was the same attitude from the luvvies in Hebden Bridge, right up to the point of a massive measles outbreak.

435266 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Lucan Grey, 36, #268 of 1890 🔗

So you are advocating compulsory vaccination of a healthy population with an experimental vaccine to protect a small number of immunosuppressive people? On that basis surely the precautionary principle should also include compulsory flu vaccines for all and continued masks abs social distancing for all time to protect these people? Remind me why you’re here?

435278 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Lucan Grey, 39, #269 of 1890 🔗

Please explain how the immunosuppressed are protected by me having a vaccination which doesn’t prevent onwards transmission anyway?

435341 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #270 of 1890 🔗

Spot on!

435480 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #271 of 1890 🔗

That “protecting immunosuppressed” argument died March 26th 2020. They can just lock themselves up to protect their timid terrified covidians. What was good enough for all of us, must be good enough for them.

435435 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lucan Grey, 7, #272 of 1890 🔗

Measles: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Found to Spread Disease
Even as the US measles “outbreak” has slowed, the vaccination debate rages on.

This is why, in the J ohns Hopkins Patient Guide for immunocompromised patients , it makes no mention about avoiding non-vaccinated individuals… but it does mention avoiding “contact with children who are recently vaccinated.”

It also stated to “Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio, or smallpox) not to visit.

At least, it used to state this. As of March 2015, the guide has been revised and this language has been removed, likely because of all the press it’s been receiving. Still, the fact remains that recently vaccinated individuals can and do spread disease.

Measles Outbreaks Can Occur Even in ‘Highly Immunized Societies


435645 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #273 of 1890 🔗

Dr John Lee made the point recently that the incidence of measles is now so low in UK that the vaccine may be more of a risk than the disease, an interesting medical ethics conundrum. Despite that I would still be in favour for my grandchildren since it is a ‘proper’ serious disease. I’ve had measles jab and all the other serious ones starting in 1958.

435456 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #274 of 1890 🔗

Think I’ve heard she’s not the brightest lamp in the room?? But everyone falls over themselves to pretend that every sentence uttered by her is the highest wisdom etc etc – just because of her title.

435828 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to ElizaP, #275 of 1890 🔗

I always hate the “This person cooked, performed, etc for the queen and is therefor very skilled in their profession and we all shall bow in front of them”.
5 years olds performed , she likes plain food, she has no education to assess skills. And it is her staff who choose who gets this “honour”, I am sure she’d rather have beans on toast that some fancy Gordon Ramsay.

435244 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 34, #276 of 1890 🔗

According to Good Morning Britain, Her Majesty is suggesting people take the ‘vaccine’, or as it should really be known; experimental gene therapy.

Absolutely no intervention throughout this whole catastrophic episode, and now this. Oh dear.

435251 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, -63, #277 of 1890 🔗

Or perhaps she is right and you are wrong.

In this country you are free to do what you wish, as long as that doesn’t get in the way of other people doing as they wish. Hence why we say “After you” all the time.

Anti-vaxxers and mask fanatics are just two sides of the same coin. Those who consider their beliefs to be more important than the freedom of anyone else.

435254 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Lucan Grey, 42, #278 of 1890 🔗

Anit-vaxxers – that slur again. You realise you are spouting Marxist labels designed by the left to isolate and vilify those who will not go along with what TPTB want? If the elites want us vaccinated you know it’s not for your own good.

435264 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to this is my username, -33, #279 of 1890 🔗

The fear of ‘the elite’ is an emotional response, not a rational one. We should not be running the country on the excessive emotional responses of the irrational – whether that is fear of a drug or a virus.

The Marxists are the ones that won’t put others before themselves. It’s the hallmark of their ilk.

435272 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Lucan Grey, 37, #280 of 1890 🔗

Lucan Grey is a cunt

435287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Winston Smith, 8, #281 of 1890 🔗

I’ve been wondering where you’ve been Winston! Welcome back.

435316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Winston Smith, 6, #282 of 1890 🔗

And a rather dim one.

Not quite bright enough to realise how thick he is.

435320 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Winston Smith, 4, #283 of 1890 🔗

Agree. A trolling one at that. What a shower. Nothing useful to say.

435365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Winston Smith, 8, #284 of 1890 🔗

A stupid ignorant fascist cunt I think you meant to say.

435424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ scuzbert, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #285 of 1890 🔗

More like he’s an on duty c**t.

435495 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Winston Smith, 4, #286 of 1890 🔗

Grade A idiot. Clearly a paid shill. You can’t possibly be that thick.

435273 ▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Lucan Grey, 37, #287 of 1890 🔗

I’m not anti vaccine. I’ve had loads in my life time and may well have this one when I feel my risk from Covid makes it worth any residual risk. With the current stage of vaccine development and lack of data I am currently unconvinced. That doesn’t make me selfish or paranoid, it makes me rational.

435304 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Lucan Grey, 20, #288 of 1890 🔗

Are you saying that Bill Gates doesn’t have both a plan and the financial means to implement it? “Excessive emotional responses”? No, actually a perfectly sensible suspicion of a man who has stated that the world is overpopulated.

435256 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lucan Grey, 41, #289 of 1890 🔗

Giving way to someone is hardly the same as subjecting yourself to an experimental medical intervention.

I don’t give a damn if someone wants to subject themselves to this but they are not forcing this on me. If you had seen anyone you care about being forcibly medically treated you would understand.

435260 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to kh1485, -64, #290 of 1890 🔗

That is your choice of course, based upon feeling not reason, but that comes with consequences – which will include your exclusion from polite society.

That is the cost of selfishness.

435271 ▶▶▶▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to Lucan Grey, 40, #291 of 1890 🔗

I would rather not exist in your ‘polite society’ as a vaccinated, digital serf, thanks.

435326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 13, #292 of 1890 🔗

Ditto. I can just imagine how much fun, that society party would be!

436497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 4, #293 of 1890 🔗

What this Grey cannot grasp , is these vaccines are .. fucking trials!!

435282 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lucan Grey, 55, #294 of 1890 🔗

What if it is based on ‘feeling’ – am I not human after all. Thank god I am, as this ‘polite’ society you refer to isn’t something I want to be part of. Perhaps if you had seen someone you loved forced into having a vile/horrific medical intervention they did not need, you might understand. That person now lies in a grave because of the fucking NHS. So just piss right off.

To the decent people on here, I apologise for the language but this idiot deserves it.

435293 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 16, #295 of 1890 🔗

I think you’re being remarkably restrained.

435307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 37, #296 of 1890 🔗

I should just ignore. I don’t know who LG is, but he/she is clearly enjoying having a go at me, either saying my business is expendible or that I am selfish for not wanting to be injected.

At least I know I can look myself in the mirror each morning and know that I haven’t set out to upset or hurt anyone. That can’t be said for the likes of the LGs of this world. Thanks TJN.

435330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 18, #297 of 1890 🔗

Don’t let this single-cell amoeba rile you up KH. That’s it’s raison d’etre for commenting here. Why these people can’t stick with their own polite society, and insist on gatecrashing and spoiling everyone else’s, is beyond me.

435338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jinks, 6, #298 of 1890 🔗

Thanks Jinks.

435355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 2, #299 of 1890 🔗


435288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lucan Grey, 18, #300 of 1890 🔗

I actually want mass complications from a jab born out of fear of an extremely non lethal coronavirus
It’s a lesson the collaborators needs to learn
It will also be rather funny

435295 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #301 of 1890 🔗

I reckon that has the potential to REALLY overwhelm the NHS.

435415 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #302 of 1890 🔗

Problem with that is our lying, cheating, scheming, manipulative government will just label those complications as new COVID symptoms and the sheeple will just accept it as the truth then go back to clapping for the NHS.

Hair falls out – COVID
Heart attack – COVID
Facial paralysis – COVID
Infertility – COVID – and bear in mind they were putting the ground work I for this one from the middle of last year when they were discussing how the lurgy effect sperm…
Anyway, you get the picture I’m sure.

435628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mike, #303 of 1890 🔗

There is only so far that will fly though
See: the Iraq War

435290 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Lucan Grey, 16, #304 of 1890 🔗

If the vaccine doesn’t actually stop you passing on the virus, how is it possibly selfish not to have it? People are only having it to stop themselves getting severe symptoms, in the event that they actually catch covid in the first place.

435291 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #305 of 1890 🔗

About the worst comment I’ve ever read on this forum.

Come on LG, on reflection, do you really believe that? Really?

435297 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lucan Grey, 11, #306 of 1890 🔗

I didn’t know trolls came out this early, I always thought they were nocturnal creatures skulking in the shadows.

435427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ scuzbert, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #307 of 1890 🔗

Depends what time he comes on duty.

435308 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Lucan Grey, 11, #308 of 1890 🔗

Ah, you must be a socialist. Clearly you believe in “the greater good” and that we should all therefore be subject to what the techocrats and scientists tell us is right. You are a very dangerous person.

435650 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to this is my username, 2, #309 of 1890 🔗

When you start dragging in left/right etc, your argument,however good,is lost down the toilet!

435651 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, #310 of 1890 🔗

Why are socialists so easily triggered?

435323 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Lucan Grey, 20, #311 of 1890 🔗

Selfishness is wanting other people to take experimental medicines so that they themselves feel safe. To this end they may introduce strawmen such as immunosuppressed people that hithertofore they haven’t even thought about, even when said people have been denied cancer treatments and regular screenings for a year.

435646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #312 of 1890 🔗

Taking individual decisions, and providing a role model for kids, is called Leadership, mon ami, not selfishness!

435768 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #313 of 1890 🔗

Are you interviewing for a role in the North Korean Embassy? BTW How is the Magic Money Tree working for North Korea?

435788 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #314 of 1890 🔗

You are Tobias Ellwood and I claim my £5

435281 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lucan Grey, 29, #315 of 1890 🔗

You say, ” In this country you are free to do what you wish, as long as that doesn’t get in the way of other people doing as they wish.’
Oh that is interesting, which Country do you live in? I live in Devon, England where if I drive down the road for a bracing walk on Dartmoor out of the way of everybody else the Police are likely to stop me and at best insist I go home and at worst issue me with a fixed penalty notice.
I quite fancy the idea of a country where I am free to do as I wish, maybe time to move!

435294 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Lucan Grey, 28, #316 of 1890 🔗

Or perhaps I am right and she is wrong. I suspect I have looked more deeply into the question of vaccines than she has and have decided to defer a decision until more is known.
We are in the middle of an experiment in which the whole population is being coerced into taking part.
And no, that doesn’t make me an “anti-vaxxer”, just one who looks at each on its merits.

435366 ▶▶▶ JSmith, replying to Lucan Grey, 20, #317 of 1890 🔗

Weak points.

1.) You are falsely drawing an equivalence between a small minority of people who are anti-vax across the board to those of us here who are sceptical of experimental vaccines.
2.) Mask fanatics require people forgo their freedom to choose whether or not to wear a mask. “Anti-vaxxers” are merely exerting their own freedom to choose. Therefore, they are not two sides of the same coin.
3.) Your assertions about selfishness and consequences are based on a premise that is the subject of lockdown sceptics, so I have to wonder why you are here? That premise, in case you have forgotten, is that lockdowns are a disproportionate response to what amounts to a strong flu. Experimental vaccines are part of that disproportionate response and therefore the idea that people should suffer severe social consequences for refusing to take them is also disproportionate. If this illness was so severe, burning through the healthy population indiscriminately, you wouldn’t need to impose such draconian measures and “consequences”. The disease would be consequence enough.

Let’s talk of reason here; we have a new experimental vaccine to counter a virus that 99%+ will have no problems with and we’ve seen what it is capable of this past year – it is a known quantity. These mRNA vaccines are an unknown quantity and we do not know yet what long term complications may arise from their usage. It is not unreasonable to be reticent.

You speak of reason but it’s clear you are struggling here.

435371 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, 20, #318 of 1890 🔗

Anti-vaxxers and mask fanatics are just two sides of the same coin. Those who consider their beliefs to be more important than the freedom of anyone else .”

Your over-wrought attacks on those resisting the idea that universal medication is the supposedly necessary solution to the non-problem of covid are rather bizarre. Clearly all you are going to achieve here is to annoy your targets and those who sympathise with them, and earn their enmity. Hard to see what motivates you, in those goals.

Regardless, here’s the simple explanation of what you are missing in this particular assertion. Mask fanatics seek to force others to comply with their personal absurdly overblown fear of a disease that is objectively not worthy of such, and to engage in positive behaviour that signals such compliance without any evidence of any efficacy in reducing the object of the said irrational fear. Those whom you falsely smear as “anti-vaxxers”, but are in most cases just opponents of the mass application of incompletely tested medication, particularly the forced application of such, are merely responding rationally to the situation in which there is coercion based on unjustified fear.

So it would be much more apt to say the opposite of what you say here – that the advocates of mass vaccination are the equivalent of mask fanatics. Cowards, responding irrationally, out of hysterical panic, to a not particularly frightening disease.

You are abusing reason in a similar manner to Snowdon in the debate with Toby. You blow up the commonplace risks of winter respiratory disease (in periodic pandemic form) into a supposed negative externality that justifies emergency action and state coercion. It doesn’t.

435448 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Lucan Grey, 13, #319 of 1890 🔗

Because I don’t accept experimental vaccination (I have had vaccinations routinely in the past so no need for the strawman labelling) or mask wearing, it doesn’t mean I don’t respect the choice of other people on whether to be experimentally vaccinated or to wear a mask.

I am concerned that people aren’t being given the information to make an informed decision on the experimental vaccination and don’t think the MHRA, a heavily conflicted organisation, should have given the emergency approvals. But ultimately I respect the choice of my friends to opt for the experimental vaccine.

What I don’t accept is that attempts are being made to coerce me into having the experimental vaccination.

The queen is entitled to have the experimental vaccine, that’s her free choice. But when she tells those of us who aren’t in any circumstance going to have the experimental vaccination that we are selfish, and in particular when she uses her public position to do this, then that is someone trying to tread on my freedom to choose.

I’m not going to call the queen selfish for taking the vaccine that’s the difference between her and me on this that you completely miss in your assertion that it’s two sides of a coin. But I am going to call her out on her not respecting my choice.

435818 ▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #320 of 1890 🔗

I agree with you on every point here. I would also add to the concern you expressed that people aren’t being given the information to make an informed decision as to whether to have the vaccine at the moment (and even which vaccine they are being offered), as people are not being asked to sign a consent form when they go. According to the older people living around me that have been called up for the vaccine, it is a quick ‘in/out’ process without any information, discussion or leaflet offered.

435670 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 7, #321 of 1890 🔗

“In this country you are free to do what you wish, as long as that doesn’t get in the way of other people doing as they wish.”

Not at the moment.

435246 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 13, #322 of 1890 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted previously but in the light of today’s ’intervention’ by the Queen, found it particularly thought provoking. Maybe she should watch it and remember what we should stand up for in this country.
‘As with all tyranny, the truth will eventually emerge. In the future, people’s eyes will open to the exaggerations, half truths, distortions, and outright lies used to excuse today’s tyrannical restrictions.’

435402 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Nicky, 5, #323 of 1890 🔗

Thanks, hadn’t see that. The complicity of good people who just accept the tyranny is occurring for the ‘greater good’ does keep this going. I would include many of my friends in these ‘good people’.

Quite an optimistic thought at the end that you quote. Perhaps that is true. Perhaps if we get out of this mess, some of my ‘good people’ friends will realise that this must never happen again, even if they can’t fully face up to objectively evaluating what has gone on. And the children have no reason to feel guilty about what has happened,but can make sure their children never have to go through this sort of thing.

435488 ▶▶ jos, replying to Nicky, #324 of 1890 🔗

Their favourite colour – technocracy grey – says it all.

435501 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to jos, 1, #325 of 1890 🔗

Sorry- meant to post this after Lucan Grey’s comment- technocracy grey is the colour of the uniform back in the 30s that all the technocrats wore – coming soon to a store near you. They were and clearly all are psychopaths of the worst kind.

435248 Uncle Monty, replying to Uncle Monty, 3, #326 of 1890 🔗

Snowdon’s 1980s sex dungeon was quite revealing about his state of mind. His ‘Big D’ nudie calendar was a particular highlight.

435624 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Uncle Monty, 1, #327 of 1890 🔗

Soon, I suppose, we shall all be swept away by some vulgar little tumour.

435859 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #328 of 1890 🔗

As a youth I used to weep in butcher’s shops.

435255 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #329 of 1890 🔗

How’s Prince Philip doing since his jab?

435259 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Tom Blackburn, -43, #330 of 1890 🔗

How is your fear of wardrobe monsters this morning? Got those irrational emotions under control yet?

435268 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #331 of 1890 🔗

Decided to stay in bed. Can’t be too careful when it comes to wardrobe monsters.

435329 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #332 of 1890 🔗

But but but then the under-the-bed monsters will get you.

435614 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #333 of 1890 🔗

Time for the anti tokoloshe bricks.

435312 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #334 of 1890 🔗

“irrational emotions”

Spoken like a true technocrat.

435342 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #335 of 1890 🔗

You keep talking about rationality vs emotion. You are all over this forum displaying your disturbed emotional state. Maybe take a look at yourself re: irrationality.

435257 Will, 34, #336 of 1890 🔗

The Queen’s intervention being highlighted is a positive for me. It shows they are getting a bit desperate to keep the sheep moving through the race and into the crush. The vaccine passports tactic has been quietly shelved because people realise it would be ultra vires. I don’t know where the fox killer stands on it, but there will still be a rake of shysters lining up to make some easy money if they are foolish enough to make coercion explicit. Anyway, I am going to have a few days off from posting; keeping ignoring the rules!!!

435261 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 1, #337 of 1890 🔗

Anyone else seen this yet? Given our government’s track record of state-sanctioned coercion, guess this will be coming our way soon…


436241 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Nicky, 2, #338 of 1890 🔗

The Israeli government has signed a ‘collaboration’ deal with Pfizer. Pfizer gets all the epidemiological data for free and the Israeli government gets ????. Part of the redacted agreement hints that a certain proportion of the population of Israel has to be vaccinated within a specific timescale. This is why Israel is ‘first in the race for vaccination’.


Israel does seem to be experiencing a ‘new disease’ following the start of vaccination.

“As of writing this article, 75.4% of Israel’s new Covid-19 cases are under 39. Only 5.5% were over 60. Only 59.9% of critical patients are over 60 years old. 40% are under 60. The country has also detected a sharp rise in Covid-19 cases amongst pregnant women. Many are in hospital, with 8 currently in critical condition.

In Israel, cases in new-born Covid-19 have seen a significant 1300% spike (from 400 cases in under two-year-olds on November 20 to 5,800 in February 2021).

Israel’s Covid-19 cases per capita spiked sharply and were amongst the highest in the world (if not the highest) during the first month of the ‘successful’ mass vaccination campaign. Within two months of intensive inoculation with the Pfizer vaccine, Israel managed to double the number of deaths it accumulated in the prior ten months of the pandemic. We are talking about 2, 700 Israeli citizens, a similar number to the amount of IDF soldiers who died in the Yom Kippur war, supposedly the most traumatizing event in modern Israeli history. ”


435270 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 43, #339 of 1890 🔗

The Queen lecturing on thinking of other people. You really couldn’t make it up.

435360 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #340 of 1890 🔗

The parasites scolding the hosts….

435521 ▶▶ jos, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #341 of 1890 🔗

You could and they did..

435280 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 19, #342 of 1890 🔗

So while the public and media debates lose themselves ever more deeply in the labyrinth, actual “cases” of covid are falling quite dramatically all over the world, regardless of lockdowns or anything else.

Coronaviruses are odd beasts. SARS just vanished, after all. Maybe covid will do the same. Wouldn’t that be hilarious?

435286 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #343 of 1890 🔗

No because it would give credibility to lockdowns & vaccines & guess WHO would take credit for that.

435296 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 26, #344 of 1890 🔗

I was hoping and expecting this to happen earlier than it did but I think this virus might be about to disappear up its own fundament. I think that is why there is all the vaccine hysteria, if the virus disappears the whole house of cards will collapse before they have got their dastardly plans enacted.
Population dynamics is a very tricky subject, I remember working briefly on Locust swarming, what triggers the switch to a swarm? then why does it die down? all very tricky. Viruses have their own equally ticky population dynamics which I am hopeful will leave all the dodgy modellers dumbfounded.
Ever the optimist!

435284 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #345 of 1890 🔗

Either NHS England has the worst healthcare outcomes in Europe, or it has been guilty of stuffing deaths into particular periods to produce a spike.

The clue is in the Euromomo z scores for age group 15-44

No other country in Europe (including Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland) has overall all cause mortality spikes April/May 2020, Dec 20/Jan 21 for that age group.


435345 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #346 of 1890 🔗

I’ve just checked (not that I disbelieve you) and its stands out from all the other countries

This winter spike is extreme

What the hell are we doing to our 15-44 year olds?

435509 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, 2, #347 of 1890 🔗

It can only be the denial of health care this year. That’s the event that has to be looked as the culprit

436243 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #348 of 1890 🔗

Denial of health care, fear of going to hospital and suicides.

The school age daughter of one of my sister’s friends attempted suicide, but fortunately failed, in response to the fear raised by the lockdowners (good work there, SPI-M) and forced separation from her friends. Others didn’t fail.

435298 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #349 of 1890 🔗

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
A potential H bomb
God save the queen
She ain’t no human being
And there’s no future
In England’s dreaming
Don’t be told what you want, you want
And don’t be told what you need
There’s no future, no future
No future for you
God save the queen

435617 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #350 of 1890 🔗

If only the kids of today had the spirit of 76
This would never have flown in the 70’s / 80’s …even 90’s

436042 ▶▶ TJN, replying to PoshPanic, #351 of 1890 🔗

And blind acceptance is the sign, of stupid fools who stand in line

Ah haha. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?

435300 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 16, #352 of 1890 🔗

Oh bliss, cbbc`s “newsround” going full monty with the “climate change” propaganda to the kids. Lets ban cars and lets ban meat !We are phucked !

435306 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nickbowes, 6, #353 of 1890 🔗

Mark Graham and Neil Oliver did discuss that two days ago – very good interview and chilling at the same time.

435322 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #355 of 1890 🔗

It was great stuff from Neil Oliver and having lived in Scotland I can only concur with his analysis.

435407 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #356 of 1890 🔗

Surprisingly Neil Oliver is frequently punted on my YouTube feed

435562 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 1, #357 of 1890 🔗

Me too. I should look into his history podcasts.

435354 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #358 of 1890 🔗

He is right. I have been predicting LD 4 to family and colleagues. Sept 2021. Variants, model-mafia-fake-data, some outrageous Reichstag event they will stage (like Drumpf’s supposed riot at the Capitol, completely staged). The Deep State is very Deep, and very evil.

435303 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 63, #359 of 1890 🔗

I am very loath to criticise Her Majesty but why did she allow herself to be used this way? Did none of her advisers even think this was a bad idea and mentioned it to the goverment? Obviously not.

This is constitutional monarchy for you, the Monarch has to be seen to be supporting the government of the day. Sometimes I wish that she should have said no from the word go but that would have triggered a constitutional crisis.

I will also reserve my anger for whoever wrote the speech – the cheek to say “think of others.” Why? People have various reasons for not wanting it, it doesn’t make them selfish. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

So sorry Your Majesty, I think you and your courtiers have miscalculated badly on this.

435311 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #360 of 1890 🔗

You’d trust ignorant charlatans like Bhakdi and Yeadon over a very elderty lady and dim pricks like Lucan Grey?

What’s wrong with you?

435418 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Ossettian, -2, #361 of 1890 🔗

Lucan isn’t dim. I have seen him pop up on other sites, you might not agree but I have always liked reading his musings. A non-conformist, even on here.

435422 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nottingham69, #362 of 1890 🔗

I can relate to non-conformity, but it just seems to be contrary, though I am contrarian too by nature.

435339 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #363 of 1890 🔗

Her Majesty does not have to be seen supporting the government of the day, her role is to be impartial on all things political.

435356 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #364 of 1890 🔗

Agree and I did put my point across clumsily, should have added the word “publicly”

435358 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #365 of 1890 🔗

‘Her Majesty’ and her lineage are a blight on the world, and have been for centuries. I do not understand the veneration of her at all.

435361 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #366 of 1890 🔗

If she doesn’t understand that this is about our fundamental human rights and liberties, then I think its past time she abdicated.

435363 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #367 of 1890 🔗

Well it’s definitely a facist regime and now she wants to make you a moron.

435475 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #368 of 1890 🔗

Wonder if she’s still got that bad publicist she had recently? Remember the publicist the Royals had that put up that article in the press with photos of King William-to-be and his family at home in their house telling us all to stay home and commenting on how the children were enjoying running round in the garden. Very much an own goal – given that there they were at their his-and-hers desks in their nice big home with nice big garden (several acres as I recall) and making it plain they were “doing their duty for the nation” staying home. They were absolutely slain in the comments – by all the people cooped up in inner cities and/or in tower block flats with the children shrieking their heads off etc. Within days (if not hours) the Royals had poached Megan’s publicist LOL.

435515 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, #369 of 1890 🔗

It would be interesting to find out. That said I have noticed that they’ve stopped doing that as I think they were made aware of those comments..

Actually that bad publicist did use to work for the Sussexes and possibly has already resigned.

435905 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to ElizaP, 1, #370 of 1890 🔗

“Shelter in place in Balmoral Palace”.

435328 Annie, replying to Annie, 9, #371 of 1890 🔗

Cracking good ‘Irreverend’ just come out.


(They are also on You tube.)

‘Totalitarianism sucks the life out of civilisation.’

Best summary yet of this abominable shitshow. Go it, Jamie.

435334 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Annie, 1, #372 of 1890 🔗

I love these guys. So refreshing

435331 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #373 of 1890 🔗

Regarding the May elections, I have a feeling that the Conservatives, Lib Dems, Green, SNP want to follow Labour to go into the way of the Dodo.

In that case, let us grant them their heart’s desire and vote for anti-lockdown parties and candidates.

We should use the opportunity of the ballot box to make our voices heard.

435350 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #374 of 1890 🔗

The only good thing about the Con party of Dictator Doris is that the Muslim-Communist-Racist party of Labour might actually be worse….though that is hard to imagine.

435353 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 13, #375 of 1890 🔗

The fact that Doris still polls ahead of that loser Starmer shows that many people are aware that under Labour we would have lockdowns on the scale of Spain and Belgium. Even David Blunkett is calling them out on their authoritarianism.

435404 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to FerdIII, 2, #376 of 1890 🔗

The only good thing about the Con party of Dictator Doris

Here we go again. Get the mitigation in early for the most oppressive totalitarian, high spending, incompetent government EVER in the history of the UK. Cromwell, eat yer puritanical heart out!! But since it wasn’t Commie Corbyn and Abacus Abbott (chortle, chortle) it’s OK, isn’t it?
Is this some form of national party-political Stockholm syndrome madness? By imprisoning the people, destoying the economy and inflicting experimental death jabs the Tories have effectively forfeited the right to ever govern again.
It’s now up to the people to ensure another lot of neo-lib Centrists (such as Starmer’s lot) don’t replace them; that is to say we have to do something for a change…

435611 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #377 of 1890 🔗

Issue is not to split the vote to the point of insignificance

435644 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #378 of 1890 🔗

I am hoping for four candidates so I can write the C word on the ballot. 5 would be idea as I can pluralise, If it’s six choices, then I will write TWUNTS on it.

436328 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, #379 of 1890 🔗

I remember someone spelling out WANKER in their ballot during a Scottish parliamentary elections.

435754 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #380 of 1890 🔗

I will be pleasantly surprised if there is such a candidate in my area.

435344 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 23, #381 of 1890 🔗

Stop calling it a Vaccine.
It is experimental mRNA. Trials end in 2023.
95% of over 70s, injected by end of Jan, yet supposedly, 13 K dead in the UK in Feb + hundreds dead right after taking the injection and thousands injured – unreported by Fake News.

Conclusion: the injection does not work. If it did why the 13 K dead if the flu has magically disappeared? For the record the average flu-pneum-resp dead count in Feb, in a bad flu year is about 11-12K – so this year’s pandemic is not really a pandemic is it?

This is the problem with LDS pushing the experimental mRNA. There is no proof it works, it does not stop transmission, and compared to past years, there is not much diff in dead count. So why would anyone take it if you have 99.7% immunity already?

There is no science, no logic to the injection. So why do they push it?

435388 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to FerdIII, 14, #382 of 1890 🔗

So why do they push it?

More to the point, why do suckers so want to believe it? The real disease here is cowardice and group think conformity. Yesterday climate change, today Covid, tomorrow…?
So many so called sceptics seem to be looking for any excuse to take experimental gene therapy; the missus, the kids, the grand-kids, the boss, and now the Queen ( gawd bless ‘er ).

436256 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to FerdIII, 2, #383 of 1890 🔗

Only Moderna and Pfizer are mRNA. Others follow more conventional approaches. None are true vaccines – long term immunity for a rapidly mutating RNA virus isn’t going to happen.

The mRNA types are dry runs to test the efficacy of the mRNA mechanism for delivering drugs, with ‘personalised drugs’ as the Holy Grail. ‘Pesonalised’ drugs cannot be tested en masse by definition, so that eliminates a substantial part of Big Pharma’s costs. A lot of the drugs they do develop pass Phase I and Phase II testing but fail at Phase III (large scale tests for drug side effects), so they have a lot of material just waiting to be pushed out as ‘personalised’ treatment.

435349 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 8, #384 of 1890 🔗

Perhaps people shouldn’t worry too much about Neil Ferguson’s dismissive tone towards dissenters in his emails; maybe he is simply reflecting the hostile attitudes of “normal science” and his own innate biases…

Scientific American (September 2000) carried a book review of “ Thomas Kuhn: A Philosophical History for our Times ” by Steve Fuller.  Kuhn describes “normal science” as a shared worldview (by scientists), a paradigm, within which ‘anomalies are generally ignored.  Eventually difficulties within a paradigm become unsustainable and a revolution occurs’.  By contrast Fuller asserts ‘the paradigms of normal science confer a phony legitimacy and autonomy on scientific practice.  Alternative versions of the “truth” are delegitimized, and establishment science becomes the only game in town.  Young scientists are acculturated within the paradigm and spend the rest of their careers tweaking theories.  Dissent is frowned upon.  The real problems of society are ignored in the pursuit of the next decimal point.’

Does any of this ring a bell with those of us unimpressed with the current Covid “scientific paradigm”?

435369 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Lowe, 1, #385 of 1890 🔗

Good book by Kuhn – I read it. He is an atheist I am not. But he deconstructed Darwinism as a fraud quite nicely and he delves into group think and of course the massive funding of said group think. The paradigm will shift back to reality once this generation of corrupted grafters dies and hopefully a new generaition eschews the military-industrial complex (gov’t funding of evthg is what Eisenhower meant, and the Deep State which inevitably grows and controls), and goes back to basics.

435483 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lowe, 3, #386 of 1890 🔗

It might not be the fundamentals of virology and epidemiology that are off, but just the corruption of science when it comes to public policy.

However, if it is a scientific earthquake rumbling, is it the clashing of the germ vs terrain theory perhaps? If that is the case, then I fear this gets very dark. For if terrain theory is correct then we’ve taken a massive wrong turn with the mass global vaccination push

435599 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Lowe, 1, #387 of 1890 🔗

According to Ioannidis a large part, if not the majority, of published medical research cannot be replicated.

436531 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Lowe, 1, #388 of 1890 🔗

Look at latest UK Column , Ferguson has zero qualifications in sweet FA

435370 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #389 of 1890 🔗

Prince Philip has an infection

If the infection was anything other than covid they would be shouting it from the roof tops

Then some garbage from the Queen

‘He gave his life to protect others’ narrative is being set up

Watch this space

435397 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Cecil B, 8, #390 of 1890 🔗

After the Capt Tom pysop I would not be surprised. Didn’t think we would see him again when he went in. If it was covid though we would be hearing it. If he had the vaccine it would be more interesting. For the record I would be very surprised if any of the RF have had it. One thing the Royals aren’t is stupid.

435770 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Cecil B, 4, #391 of 1890 🔗

I agree with this, Philip had the vaccine, he now ill, not surprising his age. Queen’s son is pro all of this crap, vaccine take up is lower than the government wants, put it all together et voila comments from the Queen.

435372 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 18, #392 of 1890 🔗

The latest results from Imperial’s REACT study, published yesterday, have shown that more than nine out of ten of those vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine develop COVID-19 antibodies.”

We are so far into a mass vaccination regime and they still can’t show that it reduces deaths – just some guff about antibodies. I suspect they don’t work very well. I would have expected a collapse in deaths (rather than a similar fall as 2020 spring) given the outlandish 95% efficacy claims and we have vaccinated everybody at risk + lockdown + seasonal + herd immunity.

I suspect – given the worldwide fall mirrored exactly in the UK that this is 100% the natural virus progression and LD and vaccine has nothing to do with it.

435379 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 9, #393 of 1890 🔗

Precisely, simple question I posted below. 95% of +70s or 9 mn people injected by end of Jan, yet 13 K dead in feb + hundreds dead immediately after the injection?

This is the same dead total as any normal bad flu year in Feb. So the costly experimental drug program failed didn’t it?

435552 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to FerdIII, #394 of 1890 🔗

I don’t think 90% of over 70s by end of January is right. I only had mine, 71, (sorry) last week and I think they were just about rounding off the over 70s.

435384 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to steve_w, 2, #395 of 1890 🔗

I can’t find any information about antibody levels, pre and post vaccination with the REACT study. Surely there should be this very basic requirement to evaluate the effects? Maybe I’ve missed it? The daily ONS data shows that pre rollout, antibody testing had remained laughably low, with a sudden increase following rollout.

435411 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 4, #397 of 1890 🔗

How will a “vaccine” stop people dying of old age?

435474 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, #398 of 1890 🔗

I’ve asked the question before if the antibodies created by the vaccine are distinct from the natural antibodies you create due to infection?

435376 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 12, #399 of 1890 🔗

Would be interesting to know how many new “republicans” there are now..

435383 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to nickbowes, 6, #400 of 1890 🔗

I was a republican before. I resisted writing “unelected sponger speaks” in the Daily Mail comments on the article about the Queen’s remarks.

435398 ▶▶ Julian, replying to nickbowes, 16, #401 of 1890 🔗

I suppose I am a monarchist, for at least one of the reasons Hitchens cites – it prevents President Blair

The Queen has been disappointing but I suppose she feels she must be neutral (or she believes all the madness)

I don’t think a President would have been any better

Prince Charles worries me – but is there any reason to think an appointed/elected President would be better?

435408 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 3, #402 of 1890 🔗

Why assume the only alternative to being ruled, is centralized technocracy?

435426 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, 22, #403 of 1890 🔗

I don’t think the Queen saying that people who don’t get the jab are “selfish” is being neutral. In fact, this is only occasion I can remember where she specifically addressed people’s private choices.

435463 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to ConstantBees, 9, #404 of 1890 🔗

If that’s what she said then it’s reprehensible, I agree

435433 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Julian, 7, #405 of 1890 🔗

Royalty is dependent on the belief that some people are better than others through mere accident of birth. Likewise with racism. It seems peculiarly inconsistent to believe that superiority through accident of birth is simultaneously a legitimate and illegitimate argument.

435470 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #406 of 1890 🔗

Depends what you mean by “better”

I generally think equality of opportunity and equal rights are a good thing, but that having an aim of equal outcomes is mad and bad – that probably makes me a racist and an -ist of all kinds in some people’s eyes

People used to think the royals were “better” but I don’t think many do any more. I don’t. They just perform a function that seems to be a function countries require, that someone needs to do, and deciding who that someone will be isn’t simple

435526 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Julian, 4, #407 of 1890 🔗

I just find it curious that accident of birth is used as any sort of argument at all. I do agree with you regarding opportunity and outcome though.

As for function, part of the Act of Settlement of the restoration following the Glorious Revolution was an agreement that the crown was given to the monarch for safekeeping for future generations.

The monarch does not own the crown, therefore does not have the right to give away sovereignty, as happened during the Treaty of Rome and the Maastricht Treaty. I believe the Coronation Oath reflects this duty also. The Queen clearly failed to perform her function to protect our sovereignty, so she is just an expensive waste of space.

435897 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #408 of 1890 🔗

Ultimately the choice i between a constitutional monarchy and a republic.
The constitutional monarchoes have a better track record of avoiding civil strife.

435545 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, #409 of 1890 🔗

Equality of anything is bull shit in a hierarchical society. People higher up the food chain simply think they are superior. Equity is leftist bollox.

435454 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, 4, #410 of 1890 🔗

The thing is it never did prevent President Blair, or Cameron or Johnson. If the queen just does what she is told then she is simply a puppet for the current PM!

435462 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to iane, 2, #411 of 1890 🔗

Yes that’s a good point

But she still represents the nation, and on balance has done it better than a Blair type creature would have done

435508 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Julian, 6, #412 of 1890 🔗

I’ve not really had strong feelings either way about the Royal Family however the Queen’s intervention is very disappointing. What she has done here is far stronger than suggesting people think hard about how they vote in a referendum.

Admittedly very elderly people do stop taking fools gladly and start saying exactly what they think (and hang the consequences) but there is a strong suspicion here that she has been persuaded to come out in public. WHY?

Can it be the need to get everyone vaccinated before the virus disappears for the summer?

435452 ▶▶ iane, replying to nickbowes, 1, #413 of 1890 🔗

Yep – it’s the way she tells ’em!

435378 davews, replying to davews, 4, #414 of 1890 🔗

Diamond Geezer, https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/ is on form with his blog today about the new series of government ads. I thought he might have been one of us until I read his last paragraph. Sadly most of the comments seem very much on the government side.

436199 ▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to davews, #415 of 1890 🔗

I’ve noticed those adverts, I’m sure people on Twatter who made those “Look them in the eyes” reaction posters will make quick work of editing them.

“Every lost job is making a difference”
“Every year without an education is making a difference”
“Every cancelled cancer screening is making a difference”

435380 l835, replying to l835, 24, #416 of 1890 🔗

“It didn’t hurt a bit” seems to be the latest covid catchphrase. The Government clearly thinks we are all children afraid of the pain of an injection. In which case, the next person who says it to me might get punched on the arm, as we did in school after the BCG.

435417 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to l835, 19, #417 of 1890 🔗

A common theme running through much of the criticism of those of us who don’t want to receive the novel gene therapy treatment is a total misunderstanding of our position.

Since there are plenty of comments expressing extreme scepticism toward an inadequately tested medicine issued under an emergency licence, these strawman arguments begin to look quite deliberate.

Perhaps they lack a good counter argument, lack the capacity to understand basic biology, are making a pitiful attempt to smear us or have a financial incentive to be deliberately ignorant.

Whatever the cause, it is increasing difficult to take their bizarre ranting seriously.

435458 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 8, #418 of 1890 🔗

Indeed, they are so convinced they are right, they can comprehend a different point of view. A customer of mine commenting on the Dutch riots a few weeks ago said” can’t they understand lockdowns are for their own good?”

435478 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to l835, 5, #419 of 1890 🔗

I’d say pain (or otherwise) at the time of the jab would be the least of our worries.

435680 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to l835, 4, #420 of 1890 🔗

Didn’t hurt a bit

435381 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 22, #421 of 1890 🔗

I’m going to toss out a thought I’ve had over the past couple of days. I worked in pesticide regulation many years ago and kept an interest in the field. The breeding of pesticide resistant in pest insects, weeds, etc. is a well-known phenomenon. Pests that survive being doused with a pesticide will go on to breed resistant progeny.

Since these jabs do not prevent people from getting covid, if simply a milder case, doesn’t that mean that the vaccinated will become Petri dishes, breeding “new variants” that are, by definition, resistant to the vaccine? This fits with my understanding of the biology, but I think there are commenters with a better background than mine.

435387 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ConstantBees, 13, #422 of 1890 🔗

Biologically mutations lose functionality, there is no apple istore to add DNA software. So yes new variants based on repeated injections should arise in different hosts if the virus wants to survive. This does not mean it turns into a bear. It does mean that over time and this is supported by many, many studies, the more injections you put into your body, the sicker at some point in time you will be from the virus. You will weaken your own immune system. Contrary to propaganda these injections do not protect you, they actually make you weaker over a number of years.

435609 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to FerdIII, 2, #423 of 1890 🔗

Which is EXACTLY their point.

435401 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #424 of 1890 🔗

Greater number of mutations is what you get with trying to control natural process, as you say pesticides actually encourage adaptation & Lockdowns just hamper natural herd immunity as do vaccines, which facilitates mutation.

I know nothing about flu, but did you get frequent mutation before vaccines?

435467 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #425 of 1890 🔗

Indeed. And that situation is damm scary. Without sterilising immunity from vaccines the whole process could select for deadlier strains as it will have more hosts to transmit through, hosts that don’t die and go about without displaying symptoms.

The unvaccinated will not stand a chance of that happens.but, remember, this is a very unlikely scenario.

435861 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #426 of 1890 🔗

Over the last 2 days I saw reports that Finland found a new variant which supposedly is vaccine resistant and New York, too.
How they know that already puzzles me.

435390 porgycorgy, replying to porgycorgy, -47, #427 of 1890 🔗

I find myself longing for the censor when I read the drivel and garbage posted in this comments section. I rarely visit it – when I do, I realise why. Most of the rubbish posted just needs deleting. I come here in search of interesting views and news. Such a pity, because I would under most circumstances assume that LS was read by intelligent people.

435391 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to porgycorgy, 25, #428 of 1890 🔗

You came here to troll you liar.

435393 ▶▶ Julian, replying to porgycorgy, 26, #429 of 1890 🔗

Feel free to give us some interesting views and news of your own

435420 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to porgycorgy, 26, #430 of 1890 🔗

Well fuck off then.

435443 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to porgycorgy, 8, #431 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for dropping by to let us know how shit we are in comparison to you. I hope your ego feels better now. Have a great day!

435447 ▶▶ iane, replying to porgycorgy, 12, #432 of 1890 🔗

Could I recommend that you stick to the Guardian?

435482 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to porgycorgy, 3, #433 of 1890 🔗

I find lots of ‘interesting views and news’ down here, but much of the stuff that I chose not to read is interesting and helpful to others – unfortunately I found nothing interesting or news worthy in your comment and, now I know, I shall censor your ‘interesting views and news’ – its a shame you have nothing to say, different views and news is usually interesting

435512 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to porgycorgy, 8, #434 of 1890 🔗

“longing for the censor” lol

435535 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Johnsontown, 4, #435 of 1890 🔗

‘My eyes, my eyes!’

435686 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to porgycorgy, 4, #436 of 1890 🔗

So with over 1500 comments EVERYDAY for the last 11 months and you can’t find anything interesting to read. What a wanker.

435750 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to porgycorgy, 5, #437 of 1890 🔗

Oh look, the single cell amoeba Lucan, has a troglodyte friend.

435780 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to porgycorgy, 1, #438 of 1890 🔗

Most people here believe in freedom – including the freedom to leave. We respect your right to leave.

435396 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 20, #439 of 1890 🔗

Wow, comments section is a troll fest today. Interesting

435413 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PoshPanic, 44, #440 of 1890 🔗

It is weird, we have vaccinated around 19 million people, the population now have much immunity whether due to vaccines or nature, it is a seasonal virus and summer is coming and the numbers are going down sharply.
But instead of announcine VV day (victory over virus) we have increasing hysteria, an unprecedented call by the Queen to get vaccinated to a population where around 1/3rd already have and increasing attacks on the sceptics. Why are we not out rejoicing in the streets, opening the pubs and having a good time?
Are people too scared to be happy? Or is it all something more sinister and there is a desperate attempt to maintain the hysteria to meet some hidden agenda?

435421 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #441 of 1890 🔗

“Are people too scared to be happy? Or is it all something more sinister and there is a desperate attempt to maintain the hysteria to meet some hidden agenda?”

If the government wanted them happy the press would be singing a different tune. There is a more sinister agenda, because there is no need to jab anyone who has had the virus and recovered – they are already immune. No the jab is NOT for the public good.

435438 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #442 of 1890 🔗

I just spoke to someone who reminded me what she had said when we last met two months ago
‘See, like I said Covid would come back even worse than the first time and I was right’.

I put it down to TV addiction.

435450 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 5, #443 of 1890 🔗

That’s a key ingredient for sure.

435453 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 11, #444 of 1890 🔗

Yeah just like two years ago. Worst year of death since, I don’t know, 2009. When we last locked down.

Such people are idiotic if they haven’t developed even the slightest case of scepticism by now. 40% of infections occurred in hospitals, PCR boosted cases by close to 40% over winter leading to less staff and less beds, thousands of excess deaths at home nothing to do with the rona. And Care Home deaths now inexplicably shooting up as the vaccine arrives.

They shouldn’t be allowed out, ever.

435455 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to karenovirus, 19, #445 of 1890 🔗

The latest NHS advertisement on TV is really nasty.
Shows people rejecting hugs, swerving while passing someone on a lane. Strapline is ‘Let’s keep going’. Vomit inducing.

435461 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to bluemoon, 10, #446 of 1890 🔗

Dystopian stuff for sure. Yeah it was all just a jolly. All this elbow bumping, window visiting, zoom partying, domestic abusing, suiciding, inflation driving, unemployment rising, fun and effin games!!!!!!!!!!!!!

435479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #447 of 1890 🔗

Meanwhile, outside I’m seeing fewer masks. Swervers are still roaming the streets though.

435528 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 10, #448 of 1890 🔗

Whoever thought of these series of Muchausen Syndrome by Proxy adverts really needs to be jailed. As is the head of the ad agency that did them.

435603 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to bluemoon, 6, #449 of 1890 🔗

Pick one

435446 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #450 of 1890 🔗

I think they cannot let our argument win through. If we do, it means the downfall of giants around the globe. They’ve wrecked lives and economies, I believe partly as a result of hysterics, but also using that chaos for their own gain.

435758 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #451 of 1890 🔗

time for a debt jubilee.

435484 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #452 of 1890 🔗

You think the opposition are getting rattled – and rolling out more of the 77 Brigade on duty than usual? You may be right…

435561 ▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to ElizaP, 12, #453 of 1890 🔗

Imagine joining the Army, thinking it’s going to be manly, patriotic, active, exciting. You do your training, fun and games, shoot some guns, run around on a field at night, think you’re something special. You move into J2 – wow, now you’re even more cool, you do “intelligence”. You imagine soon you’ll be debriefing some terrorist who was snatched off the streets of Damascus by Task Force Macho, asking him nicely where the bomb is about to go off.

Instead you find yourself stuck in some dingy little room in front of a computer all day like any other NPC, writing tweets about facemasks and compiling sitreps about dissident literature found on the side of a bus stop in Hemel Hempstead. Can you imagine the self-loathing and humiliation that these poor saps must be experiencing?

435930 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #454 of 1890 🔗

It could be worse. Billy Connolly in the 1970s ridiculed army recruitment ads, saying the reality was that you ended up “belting down the Shankill Road” (in Belfast). “The best laxative known to man!”

436279 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Johnsontown, 2, #455 of 1890 🔗

Don’t be so hard. It is really dangerous being a keyboard warrior. I await the first VC awarded to one of these brave warriors for selflessly rescuing others brought down by RSI during a salvo of LDS comments

435753 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to PoshPanic, #456 of 1890 🔗

Probably the same troll, with different handles. No originality in the comments. Pathetic.

436270 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to PoshPanic, #457 of 1890 🔗

LDS must have made the Integrity Initiative’s hit list.

435412 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #458 of 1890 🔗

Madge knows which side her bread is buttered for her

436282 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cecil B, 2, #459 of 1890 🔗

“Madge knows which side one’s bread is buttered for one” if you don’t mind.

435414 AidanR, replying to AidanR, 13, #460 of 1890 🔗

I always thought the royal family was done for when the Queen died.

Well, the rancid old cunt is dead to me now.

435429 ▶▶ iane, replying to AidanR, 7, #461 of 1890 🔗

Well, she of course just does what she is told to do and reads out what is on the teleprompter. Nevertheless that makes her a complete waste of space, with the sole positive that she keeps Charlie boy off the throne!

435457 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, 5, #462 of 1890 🔗

I feel the word “ cunt ” is being overused here, it’s losing its shock value, I’m almost immune to the offence of it now.

435487 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #463 of 1890 🔗

Don’t blame it on us, blame it on the recent vast proliferation of cunts.

435697 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 5, #464 of 1890 🔗

The number of them is exploding exponentially!

435530 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to AidanR, -3, #465 of 1890 🔗

A really unhelpful comment that brings sceptics into disrepute. Stop doing our enemies’ work for them.

436789 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to AngloWelshDragon, -1, #466 of 1890 🔗

Nuke the Queen.

435460 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basileus, 8, #469 of 1890 🔗

It’s possible that people who are vaccinated test positive

But the more worrying thing is that all-cause deaths are up

The two most obvious conclusions are

1) The vaccines don’t work that well on this cohort and/or
2) The vaccines are causing more deaths

Further investigation is needed, that won’t happen

From the start with the vaccine what bothered me was that most people didn’t need it and those who would benefit most might be killed by it or it wouldn’t work that well on them

435593 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Julian, 1, #470 of 1890 🔗

The vast majority of AZ “vaccinations” seem to cause (at best) flu-like side-effects in almost everyone, even the young and healthy. Care home residents are frail enough to be killed by that – not disimilarly from what happened with the actual virus in Spring. If they die of flu-like symptoms guess what is going on the death cert – so they will never investigate as it helps towards the statistical deception.

There are other possibilities but they seem very unlikely – such as the act of vaccinating itself increasing spread (not likely as asymptomatic spread is bullshit).

435496 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Basileus, 4, #471 of 1890 🔗

Covid labelled deaths in care home may have gone up just because covid labelled deaths have gone up across all settings in particular hospitals going into January.

But what is noticeable, and you allude to this with your 240% figure, is that care homes seem to have been the setting for a significantly greater proportion of covid deaths during the period over which vaccination took place. So the relative increase in care homes covid labelled deaths has been much greater than in hospitals.

That needs explaining. Why did the covid labelled deaths in care homes go up disproprtionately?

435525 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #472 of 1890 🔗

Posted yesterday, but worth reposting. This is “Making sense of Mortality” Joel Smalley – reflects the work he has been doing in the last week and is an excellent, informative piece. An hour and a half long but well worth it. Especially the hypotheses in the last half hour re: January care home death spike.


435555 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to vargas99, 3, #473 of 1890 🔗

Thanks. I watched that in full a few days ago. It’s excellent.

Joel is a skilled data analyst and modeller. And he use models in the right way, since his models are based on the data, incorporate the actual ongoing data and attempt to make verifiable predictions.

His models are necessarily quite complicated and sophisticated, so it is difficult for someone like me to independently verify his findings. Which is why I like to do my own very limited and basic data analyses to get a feel for what is going on, and to force myself to address biases.

435880 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #474 of 1890 🔗

Why did the covid labelled deaths in care homes go up disproportionately?

Yes, I believe that is the point.

435432 alw, replying to alw, 9, #475 of 1890 🔗
  • “Every hospitalized patient is tested for COVID, often repeatedly, using PCR tests with high false positive rates
  • False positives are due in considerable part to exorbitant cycle thresholds, which refer to the maximum number of doublings that are allowed during the test
  • WHO has implied that tests should only be performed in those with symptoms, and their results should be interpreted with the clinical context in mind, but most PCR tests in the U.S. are used very differently: to screen asymptomatics at work, at colleges and universities and to permit border crossings
  • In addition to inaccurate PCR results, a variety of other measures have skewed the reported number of deaths from COVID
  • CDC changed the way it coded death certificates for a COVID-caused death last March, to include everyone for whom COVID is in any way contributory to the death
  • By creating excessively loose case definitions for COVID, several of which did not require a single sign of


435445 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 1, #476 of 1890 🔗

Great article

435629 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to alw, 7, #477 of 1890 🔗

Every hospitalized patient is tested for COVID

This is mandatory. One cannot be admitted unless one submits to the test, which is a clear violation of health care ethics. Yet the health care professional bodies are noticeable only by their complicity.

435437 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #478 of 1890 🔗

Bike parts and computer parts..

The price of parts during the scamdemic has not only risen and risen but finding the correct parts is also tricky.. anyone else notice?

Clearl this scamdemic wasn’t just about control.. it is a climate change ruse. Stop us buying, stop us flying, but keep us buying from the oligarchs ‘safe’ at home.

Not only will you own less.. less from regular shops anyway.. but you will be masked and distanced.. to stop you discussing the lies with others.

435505 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to chaos, 4, #479 of 1890 🔗

Talking yesterday with a friend who imports. Prices have risen around 15% across the board in the last 6 months. That’s on top of usual inflation.

435536 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #480 of 1890 🔗

Some items have increased more than 50% e.g. decent webcams.

435442 l835, replying to l835, 18, #481 of 1890 🔗

Thought I saw a dog wearing a face mask. Turned out to be Labrador carrying a blue ball in his mouth!

435459 ▶▶ chaos, replying to l835, 9, #482 of 1890 🔗

covid denying labradors bastards. all the poodles are wearing masks.

435469 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to chaos, 2, #483 of 1890 🔗

Don’t get them started on compulsory vaccinations!!!

435476 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to chaos, 9, #484 of 1890 🔗

My dog is mask exempt because he is unable to perform his important job of trying to eat cyclists otherwise.

435534 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #485 of 1890 🔗

Maligators do that.

435551 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #486 of 1890 🔗

Gawd bless ‘em.

435523 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to chaos, 7, #487 of 1890 🔗

my poodle isn’t!

435548 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to chaos, #488 of 1890 🔗

Our granddaughters own a “Sproodle” who would eat any masks or anything else for that matter within 100 yards.

435466 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to l835, 3, #489 of 1890 🔗

I hallucinated one on a swan the other day, posh fuckers.

435543 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to l835, 1, #490 of 1890 🔗

Nothing surprises us these days, does it?

435468 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 22, #491 of 1890 🔗

Pentagon reports ALMOST 75 PERCENT of troops turned down Wuhan coronavirus vaccine

435499 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Victoria, 2, #492 of 1890 🔗

Why would anyone vote this down?

435684 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Jinks, #493 of 1890 🔗

Probably LG

435532 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 4, #494 of 1890 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me. The experience over Gulf War Syndrome must still be fresh in the US army’s mind.

435472 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 12, #495 of 1890 🔗

Myself and others have pointed that one consequence of lockdown is that people will not want to set up, buy or expand businesses if they can be closed. I thought I would list some of the major concerns for anyone thinking of setting up a business in detail

·      Businesses being forced to close can be justified if there is good reason eg restaurant breaking hygiene regulations, hotels breaking fire regulations. The justification for closing businesses is that staff and customers could infect each other. Under lockdown many businesses closures made no sense. In businesses such as clothes shops, electrical shops, furniture shops, bookshops, museums, zoos and galleries these businesses were located in large premises, customers could easily stay a long distance from each other and often didn’t have many customers in at the same time. In hotels guests stay in separate rooms and don’t mix very much. Who would want to risk setting up a business which could be closed without justification?
·      Even if your business could operate, the closure of other businesses would deprive you of trade.   For instance, the closure of shops, restaurants, pubs, nightclubs, theatres, cinemas and hotels would kill the trade of taxi firms.
·      Your business may be able to operate but under restrictions and your business may not be viable. For instance, if a restaurant was able to do takeaway, this may not compensate for the loss of sit in trade.
·      Open ended lockdowns have been introduced which means business could be forced to close with no idea when they could reopen again.
·      Your business would be forced to close regardless of its characteristics. For instance, if you ran a large restaurant with the tables are spaced out and customer could easily stay far apart, you would still be forced to close.
·      Even if you were willing to take the risk of setting up a business, lenders would be unwilling to give out loans due to the risk.
·      You may end up paying for services you can’t use and disputes could occur. For instance, if I was running a shop why should I pay rent for premises I can’t use but the landlord may still expect rent.
·      Your business would still be forced to close even if you could invest in measures such as ventilation, using disinfectants, screens etc.
·      Being allowed to re-open but forced to spend a fortune on anti covid measures only to be closed again.

435541 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ianric, 3, #496 of 1890 🔗

Well said. Neil Oliver made similar points late last year and this is possibly another reason why many businesses won’t survive – they’ve spent loads of money in many cases what they don’t have to make their businesses “Covid secure” even if they know its all bollocks.

And I also read somewhere that many businesses that are currently closed are having to dole payouts to staff who have had developed health problems from being forced to wear masks and/or due to the OTT cleaning regimes. I can imagine that if this is the case, they will simply close their businesses for good and file for bankruptcy when the last of the payouts are complete.

435885 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ianric, 2, #497 of 1890 🔗

How many “non-essential” shops are actually busy, especially during the week? In my town for example we have many “niche” shops, in my street is a model building business, they are only busy before xmas. A very posh (expensive) clothes shop had a sign, 5 customers at once max, I thought, you’ll be lucky if you get 5 a day!

436062 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, #498 of 1890 🔗

I seriously doubt it. If you go past Bond Street or Knightsbridge even before this shit show, the desginer shops would be empty. Possibly have 1-2 customers and they’re mostly wealthy tourists.

436509 ▶▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Bart Simpson, #499 of 1890 🔗

I wonder how these businesses were viable with few customers particularly with high rents in London.

436505 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to Silke David, #500 of 1890 🔗

It would be a disaster if the model shop had to close over Christmas which proves my point a problem that lockdowns creates is businesses having to close during their busiest and most lucrative periods.

435481 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #502 of 1890 🔗

Do not rollout Covid-19 vaccine passports

We want the Government to commit to not rolling out any e-vaccination status/immunity passport to the British public. Such passports could be used to restrict the rights of people who have refused a Covid-19 vaccine, which would be unacceptable.

Signatures: 205,832


435498 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 3, #503 of 1890 🔗

I remember Tobias Ellwood raising this as a possibility in Parliament and eyes were raised, not that long ago.

435615 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 1, #504 of 1890 🔗

The problem is that businesses will do their work for them in requiring ‘passports’. The government won’t have to mandate them, and I doubt they’ll censure any business that does require them on the grounds of discrimination. They’re already subsidising firms in the production of these, aren’t they?

435485 kh1485, 26, #505 of 1890 🔗

Two of my regular customers have just returned. I have not seen them since before Christmas. Probably both in their 80s but were pretty active and looked well for their age. I presume they have had the injection. Not being rude, but they look shadows of their former selves – they look distinctly ill.

435490 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 11, #506 of 1890 🔗

I wrote to my son’s school yesterday to express my concerns over their new policies:

Dear XXX,

I appreciate these are difficult times, but I would like to state my concerns over the new school policies regarding masks in classrooms and testing. I note that the Education Secretary stated yesterday that “The risk [of Covid-19] to children themselves is incredibly low” and as a Rights Respecting School, the school’s policy is that “the best interests of children must be the primary concern in making decisions that may affect them”. I further note that the Secretary stated that both of these measures are voluntary.

Has the school conducted any risk assessment of either of these policies, specifically regarding their impact on children? For example, a recent study in Germany has found some negative effects in school children from wearing masks [1]. While I support the existing policy that children (or staff) who show signs of illness should stay home, I think that mass testing of healthy children on a regular basis seems to offer little benefit to the children and risks instilling hypochondria or other disorders in them. Further, if the results are not accurate, it risks some children unnecessarily being excluded from school while they self-isolate.

As the pandemic recedes, I would hope we could return to normal, but these new policies seem to move us further away from normal than we already are. Since the Government has stated that both these policies are voluntary, will you be updating your policy on wearing masks in lessons to clarify whether this is voluntary or mandatory (and if the latter, what sanctions are to be imposed for non-compliance)?

Yours sincerely,


[1] https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-124394/v2

435556 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to zacaway, 3, #507 of 1890 🔗

Great letter

Open Letter from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance Re: Current Face Covering Mandates for Children and Adults


435492 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 26, #508 of 1890 🔗

The main aim is control, the ID leads to ID control, no vax no ID no liberty. Why drag out the Queen at this stage to do the divide and conquer bit? The coercion is massive, never before seen and still the pharma companies claim non liability.

435506 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to DanClarke, 14, #509 of 1890 🔗

Indeed, I posted a link a couple of days ago to the consultation they’ve quietly pushed out over The UK digital identity and attributes trust framework here:

I completed their survey with this main feedback:

I think that this scheme would enable data aggregation on a large scale that would be effectively impossible to regulate. For example, Tesco operates multiple businesses – selling alcohol may require a customer to provide their date of birth, their mobile phone business would reveal their phone records and perhaps name, address and credit score. Tesco Bank would have access to customers’ financial details and their in-store pharmacy may have access to customers’ health data. All this data could be connected via the customer’s digital identity, to provide Tesco with an almost complete picture of their personal data.

Data aggregation is already an endemic problem on the web, with cookies and other cross-site tracking technology, and GDPR has done nothing to prevent companies like Google and Facebook building sophisticated profiles of user’s activity across the web.

Obviously, you can substitute Tesco for UK Government and the larger scale they could operate at to see where this is going.

435514 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to zacaway, 14, #510 of 1890 🔗

The vaxx passport is worst then than vaxx itself and should become the main focus of our fight going forward.

435566 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to zacaway, 1, #511 of 1890 🔗


435575 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to zacaway, 5, #512 of 1890 🔗

Have you read Simon Elmers Qui Bono piece on ASH someone posted ! It’s chilling !!…

435620 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Freddy Boy, 12, #513 of 1890 🔗

Yes, highly recommended, especially as it is written from a genuine ‘left’ point of view.

He makes a very strong case that many on the neoliberal ‘right’ are driving the assault on freedom through the imposition of a biosecurity state, and making an awful lot of cash while doing so (which is why they support this, of course). This assault on freedom is truly coming from many quarters. That is why I think those of us here have to discuss our political differences, but not be divided by them (and why I am very pleased to have people like RickH around).

My view is that there needs to be a political realignment: something along the lines of small business/freedom/state fulfilling its proper regulatory public-interest function vs. large corporations/cronyism/regulatory capture/biosecurity control state

435690 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #514 of 1890 🔗

Absolutely! I would suggest that a succinct word for those in favour of “small business/freedom/state fulfilling its proper regulatory public-interest function” is Liberal . And for the “large corporations/cronyism/regulatory capture/biosecurity control state” the best word that comes to mind is Fascism . Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

435713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to zacaway, 2, #515 of 1890 🔗

Unfortunatly ‘liberal’ is discredited and it’s proper meaning has been lost. Fascism still works though.

435799 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 1, #516 of 1890 🔗

Yes – thanks for this insight. This is going to be one of the most important conflicts of our time. Those of us who believe in freedom must be prepared to fight.

435712 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Freddy Boy, #518 of 1890 🔗

Holy shit it’s good. Going to have to come back to it after work!

435674 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to zacaway, 4, #519 of 1890 🔗

This is nothing new. In my former life I attended a conference in Munich (how appropriate) nearly 20 years ago where this kind of data capture was being discussed. One particular point I recall was recording movements around shops to see where particular people went or lingered, linked to their store card via there mobile phone – this is when phones were just starting to have GPS and Bluetooth.

Tesco and their like may not have planned for this exactly but they will see it as an opportunity from their sweetest dreams.

435676 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to zacaway, 4, #520 of 1890 🔗

I’m thinking of getting a still. And/ or stockpiling vodka, gin and whisky instead of gold to use as future currency!

435510 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to DanClarke, 22, #521 of 1890 🔗

Always had a lot of respect for QE2, but I am now officially a republican…

The ‘didn’t hurt a bit’ comment is truly idiotic, and utterly misses the seriousness of the issue. Very disappointed.

I am sure she has been pressurized, but should have the sense to resist. Vaccination, like all medical matters, should be private, and the use of public figures in this PR campaign is disturbing.

435569 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 5, #522 of 1890 🔗

Definitely coerced for the cause

435500 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 32, #523 of 1890 🔗


Breaking News

Government announces the award of The Covid Medal

A spokesperson said ‘In recognition of the selfless service of many during the pandemic we are pleased to announce the award of The Covid Medal

This medal is a first in many ways. It will be the first ‘green’ medal as it will be manufactured using recycled soft drink cans. It will be the first medal not to bear the monarchs bust which will be replaced by the bust of our current leader

The medal ribbon will be a deep cholate brown colour and the reverse of the medal will feature a skull and crossbones motif

The medal will be awarded to anyone who served in the occupation forces between March 2020 and June 2021

The initial recipient’s will be Police Officers, PCSO’s, Special Constables, Covid Marshalls, Hospital Security Staff, Care Home Security Security Staff and that bloke who collects the trolleys at Morrisons

Auxiliaries such as informers can apply for the medal provided that they can provide written evidence that their activities resulted in the collection of £1,000 in Covid fines’

Note to Editors

The choice of the ribbon colour is in recognition of a turd produced by Princess Nut Nut in early March 2020 and which foretold the lockdown. The skull and crossbones motif is a tribute to the suicide and cancer victims who gave their lives so unselfishly in this great cause

435564 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cecil B, 3, #524 of 1890 🔗

it won’t be long before reality catches up with your satire, Cecil, you’ll see

435570 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 6, #525 of 1890 🔗

Outstanding once again, Cecil. You had me for a bit.

I started reading it (before spotting your name at the top) and said to myself, “This is the sort of thing Cecil would make up.” Doh!

435641 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Ceriain, 4, #526 of 1890 🔗

Make up, moi?

435571 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 3, #527 of 1890 🔗

I won’t be surprised if this comes true.

435576 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #528 of 1890 🔗

Can you still receive it if you don’t get the Jab of Joy? Asking for a friend.

435606 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Cecil B, 3, #529 of 1890 🔗

Don’t give them ideas. I’m sure plod and associated piglets are watching us and this site. All our names are on the “watch” list. Whilst honest, God (Allah) fearing terrorists are free to go about their business.

435659 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 2, #530 of 1890 🔗

You forgot the tireless Covid Testing Centre Security Staff who worked their nuts off.

435849 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Cecil B, 1, #531 of 1890 🔗

The BBC hasnt given out medals since Jimmy Saville.

435503 Major Panic, 16, #532 of 1890 🔗

If the British Government wasn’t a marketing wing of big pharma and actually worked for the benefit of the British people then they would say NO to international vaccine passports for travel purposes. Countries like Spain would then have to decide how much they wanted British tourism £’s.

435504 Victoria, 11, #533 of 1890 🔗

Keir Starmer was head of the Crown Prosecution Service when the decision not to prosecute Jimmy Savile was made on the grounds of “insufficient evidence”.


435513 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #534 of 1890 🔗

Ferguson conceded to not having an A-level in Biology, and appears to have no formal training in computer modelling, medicine or epidemiology either…


Imperial Folly: Neil Ferguson Has No Qualification in Biological Sciences



435517 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 2, #535 of 1890 🔗

What a surprise

435582 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Cecil B, 1, #536 of 1890 🔗

100% Post Turtle.

435519 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Victoria, 6, #537 of 1890 🔗

He’s certainly had no training as a computer programmer.

435520 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 4, #538 of 1890 🔗

He has experience & expertise in destroying lives though, so maybe he had the right skill sets required?

435524 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 8, #539 of 1890 🔗

To be fair, common sense, humility, intellectual rigour, curiousity, honesty and some basic reading up on the subject would have been sufficient for him not to make certain mistakes

435594 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Julian, 7, #540 of 1890 🔗

Those aren’t the qualities that would have got him the job.

435533 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Victoria, 2, #541 of 1890 🔗

Same story with thermageddon and Michael E Mann

A.B. applied mathematics and physics (1989), MS physics (1991), MPhil physics (1991), MPhil geology (1993), PhD geology & geophysics (1998)

435540 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, 6, #542 of 1890 🔗

He does have relevant qualifications in Gravytrainology though.

435563 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Victoria, 2, #543 of 1890 🔗

A dispicable human being 😳

435587 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #544 of 1890 🔗

And an exceedingly scruffy-looking oik to boot.

435590 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 1, #545 of 1890 🔗

Wasn’t the main source of information Wikipedia?

435710 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 4, #546 of 1890 🔗

I got an O’level in Biology and CSE grade 2 chemistry. Even with my math skills I could do better than Proff Pantsdown. I am more qualified then he is.

436067 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 1, #547 of 1890 🔗

My very basic knowledge in Biology makes me more knowledgeable than Professor Pantsdown.

Who knew?

435516 mj, 14, #548 of 1890 🔗

just watched the Toby / Snowdon debate.
One fundamental issue.
All the data quoted was relating to people “with” covid. At no point was it commented that the data relates to people with a positive test and so when Snowdon was talking about NHS stress and large numbers of “covid cases” when we know that many of the cases are people who tested positive and had a sniffle or were asymptomatic and that many of these people were not actually ill with covid.
Same with deaths (dying with and dying from and the “within 28 days of a positive test” .
This is something that must be highlighted at the start of any discussion of this type.

435518 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #549 of 1890 🔗

Boris Johnson

Let’s remind him daily of these words


435557 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 2, #550 of 1890 🔗

Well at least it reminds us that he is a liar

435598 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 7, #551 of 1890 🔗

Serial liar

435619 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 10, #552 of 1890 🔗

That is actually one face I’d like to see covered, preferably with an airtight plastic bag.

435581 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 1, #553 of 1890 🔗
435527 danny, replying to danny, 42, #554 of 1890 🔗

What is “selfish”, your majesty, is people wearing masks and supporting lockdown due to an exaggerated and selfish terror of their own mortality, whilst simultaneously denying the cost of that lockdown because they happen to be comfortable.

435559 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, 14, #555 of 1890 🔗

my response to the ‘argument’ that refusal to wear masks or get vaccinated is ‘selfish’- ‘oh, fuck off’ – I refuse to even engage with that ‘argument’, which I recognise for what it is: crude manipulation and bullying. it’s gas-lighting. it doesn’t deserve any other response – no matter who is making it.

435578 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #556 of 1890 🔗

Agree. I simply tell that person to foxtrot Oscar, there’s no point engaging with them if that’s all they can sprout out.

435529 Ganjan21, 10, #557 of 1890 🔗

That Christopher Snowden really is an unlikable twat. He has zero professionalism and I didn’t have to watch to the end of the debate to know who came out much better.

435531 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #558 of 1890 🔗

Yet more evidence of the myth of asymptomatic transmission. This is the founding principle on which the house of cards was built.


If the contagiousness of people without symptoms does not drive the spread of SARS-COV-2, then restrictions like lockdowns and mask mandates on the general public don’t make sense.


435568 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 8, #559 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for that.
One of the most depressing thing about muzzles is that people are now using them as fashion items.
The word ‘yeuk’ springs to mind.

435572 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Victoria, 8, #560 of 1890 🔗

If Asymptomatic Transmission exists vaccinating people with monkey spunk that only suppresses symptoms is an ideal way to promote it.

435537 Ewan Duffy, 23, #561 of 1890 🔗

Received the following missive from my professional body this morning:

With the move to on-line CPD, (name of professional body) remains conscious that you may be missing out on the valuable element of networking, when attending face-to-face sessions.

So to compensate for some of this lack of peer interaction, we invite you to join us for the second of our ‘Virtual Networking’ meetings, where you will have the opportunity to discuss the ‘Positives of Covid – whether it’s work or home related’, with your fellow members.

I’d prefer for my fellow members to start using their analytical skills to determine that there are so many red flags about this “pandemic” that it constitutes a fraud. After all, accountants are supposed to be good at identifying fraud.

435539 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 10, #562 of 1890 🔗

Oh my god. There is a Tony Blair Institute…


435546 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, 12, #563 of 1890 🔗

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

435547 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Victoria, 9, #564 of 1890 🔗

The Blair institute is advertised on the Gates Foundation site.

435604 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DanClarke, 8, #565 of 1890 🔗

The Blair Institiute has had a fortune from the Gates Foundation.

435567 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 5, #566 of 1890 🔗

I have never visited but I think it may be an Asylum

435574 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 4, #567 of 1890 🔗

I’ve got even more bad news for you there are Tony Blair clones drones, jacinda ardern, Justin Trudeau, Emmanuel Macron, etc.

435589 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Victoria, 7, #568 of 1890 🔗

I am going to set up an Institute and name it after ME!!

Narrcissistic Moi?

435601 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cecil B, 3, #569 of 1890 🔗

I am going to set up an Institute and name it after ME!!

You can’t. That would be the CBI and the other CBI would surely sue. 😉

Mind you, the other CBI’s pronouncements are as daft as yours, so it might be difficult to tell the difference.

435595 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Victoria, 1, #570 of 1890 🔗

Is Fox being sarcastic? I can’t believe he didn’t know this.

435668 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 2, #571 of 1890 🔗

Tony Blair is a cottage industry
Toilets beware

435850 ▶▶ AB, replying to Victoria, 2, #572 of 1890 🔗

Read the first sentence in the blue section.

With safe vaccines some way off

435550 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 62, #573 of 1890 🔗

Dear Mrs Queen,

With all due respect I really don’t care if the injection is excruciating. What bothers me is the long term impacts on the vaccinated, especially the young, which we cannot possibly know at this stage. I am not selfish or anti vaccination I am just exercising reason and asking to see all the data before I make a decision.

The precautionary principle has been very much the driving force of political and scientific decision making for the last year. I find it slightly odd that in this single instance of a novel vaccine, exercising that principle now makes one selfish.

Kind regards, A serf.

435560 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 28, #574 of 1890 🔗

Ditto: Disillusioned lifelong Royalist.

435612 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 13, #575 of 1890 🔗

Me also. No more.

435565 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #576 of 1890 🔗

Would ‘Fuck Off’ be more to the point?

435584 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #577 of 1890 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

435638 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #578 of 1890 🔗

I’ll just leave this here:
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435577 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 14, #579 of 1890 🔗

The roll our of QE must mean they know compliance is low, have they sold this country to a Pharma company, we seem to be well in the firing line

435592 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 7, #580 of 1890 🔗

It’s a desperate last throw of the dice.

435579 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #581 of 1890 🔗

Thought for the day.

You have to be a mediocre person to be willing to spend your life in ‘Elf & Safety’, or HR, or local government. It shows, if nothing else, very limited horizons. Ok – somebody’s got to do it, but why does this automatically confer upon the mediocre the right to set the rules for the rest of us? We are now living in a Mediocracy, and God isn’t it awful?

435665 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to James Leary #KBF, 13, #582 of 1890 🔗

Great point. It really pisses me off that I am subjected to some jobsworth idiot who has probably never run a business telling me how to run mine.

435585 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 24, #583 of 1890 🔗

Good morning, all.

It’s a beautiful morning here in North London; the sun is out and there isn’t a cloud in the sky.

I notice there are a few trolls on here this morning.

My advice: ignore the trolls and enjoy the sunshine. 🙂

435658 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, 1, #584 of 1890 🔗

Much more fun to have them here
If they are confined to the site they aren’t getting any of that Vit-D

435667 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Ceriain, 13, #585 of 1890 🔗

Grrrrr!!! Here in São Paulo it is grey and wet and I have to see my geriatrics doc this morning to be lectured on my lifestyle choices. I smoke, drink, eat red meat and honk around on a big bike, and yet I’m still healthier than 95% of the patients he’ll meet.

I’m actually curious to see if the vaccine will come up today, this is the first check-up since they rolled out the experimental jabs. Let’s see 🙂

Enjoy YOUR sunshine Ceriain, lots of natural vitamin D

435876 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sampa, 1, #586 of 1890 🔗

grey and wet and free – sounds like what England used to be

435909 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Sampa, 2, #587 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for the Sao Paulo update.

Out on the bike also, but no chance of any vitamin D here in Cumbria, England, although it’s dry and not too cold today.

I’ve read that Brazil has purchased 20 million does of the Covaxin experimental vaccine from India

With the population of 213 million in Brazil, I guess Brazil will only be needing 212,999,999 doses in total once they’ve accounted for you!

435591 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #588 of 1890 🔗

On the debate between Christopher Snowdon and Toby Young, chaired by Mike Graham, I thought Toby’s judgement that it was a draw was ridiculously generous to his opponent. Snowdon made little attempt to offer an evidenced argument. He apparently believes in lockdowns on the basis of never ending exponential increase of infections. He claimed that this was logic, mathematics and biology. He is of course right about mathematics and logic. In mathematics, a purely formal science, never ending exponential growth is perfectly possible. But his claim that it is biology is either disingenuous or ignorant. There is no such thing as endless exponential growth in biology. Specifically, in relation to a viral infection, exponential growth would rapidly run up against the insuperable barrier of insufficient potential hosts. Either Snowdon knew this or he is too ignorant to authoritatively offer an opinion on the biology of infectious disease.

In contrast, Toby was obviously prepared with lots of relevant evidence on the ineffectiveness and harms of lockdowns. Snowdon dismissals of these was revealing, especially his callous lack of concern in respect of the harm of lockdowns in the developing world, which is reversing the long run trend of eliminating poverty.

435600 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #589 of 1890 🔗

Snowdon has revealed himself to be an utter prat. From objecting to the harms of sugar taxes to supporting catastrophic lockdown. He can FRO.

435661 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #590 of 1890 🔗

Your right CS maybe right about maths but like all lockdown supporters they definitely wrong about biology. A 180 years ago William Farr a good friend of Florence Nightingale noticed all pandemics followed the same curve up and curve down. It’s not as CS says a coincidence that this happens it’s because as people get infected their also recover and immune to the point immunity brings down infections. As Farr noticed 180 years ago it was also noticed to have happened in Wuhan last year. The lockdown there occurred after half the city was evacuated and the virus had fizzled out thus explaining why the lockdown there only lasted two months. Surely people should be asking themselves now why no where in the world as lockdown not succeeded like it did in Wuhan.

435719 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #591 of 1890 🔗

Was C Snowdon the person who gave rise to the “Snowdon Report” that rubbished the GBD?

435597 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 26, #592 of 1890 🔗

Thanks to all of you who suggested doing late night shopping to avoid the zombies.

I’ve been to my local several times now for supplies about an hour before they close – you folks were right, much more likely to see other unmasked customers.

Not only that, despite ‘no mask no entry’ signs on the front door, the staff I saw either weren’t wearing masks or had them around their chin.

That suggests the Maskholes who would hector or berate them must only be daytime shoppers. Which is interesting in and all of itself. Safety first,eh?

435605 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Katabasis, 10, #593 of 1890 🔗

Shows how much its a social signalling thing. People just do whatever they see others doing. Check this out. Shows exactly that it 10 seconds.


The definition of sheep

435652 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Katabasis, 4, #594 of 1890 🔗

I was doing this anyway as I am a natural morning person
Not a mask in sight at 7.00am either

435727 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Katabasis, 2, #595 of 1890 🔗

Probably because the management had all gone home leaving the newly promoted Supervisor in charge.

435821 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Katabasis, 7, #596 of 1890 🔗

My wife has been doing the shopping in the evenings for the last few weeks because it’s quieter but she wars a mask “because it’s the rules”. I’ve given up arguing that one with her.

Last week she went shopping on a weekday afternoon. She came out of the supermarket visibly stressed, complaining about the number of people in there and the lack of social distancing and saying that she wouldn’t be doing afternoon shopping again.

I didn’t help the mood this morning when I pointed out that a week later she hadn’t caught anything despite the apparent “over crowding” in the supermarket.

435877 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 6, #597 of 1890 🔗

I feel very fortunate to have a husband who is as sceptical as me. Much as I love him in every way if he were a bed wetter I’d have lost all respect for him and I know I would struggle to love some who I couldn’t respect. My contempt for people who think like your wife is, I am afraid, considerable. I wish I could be more forgiving but I have never suffered fools gladly so hats off to you for not divorcing her!

436122 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #598 of 1890 🔗

I can’t deny that the last year hasn’t been without it’s challenges and even after 30 years of marriage I have discovered things about my wife’s personality as I’m sure she has discovered some things about me that we never knew or appreciated.

I knew for example that she was largely a rule follower no matter how absurd of inconsistent those rules are whereas I will follow rules up to a point but once I see the absurdity of them I will usually tend to ignore them or indulge in malicious compliance of them.

435607 Hoppy Uniatz, 14, #599 of 1890 🔗

Today’s news reminds me of that old Private Eye cover.
H.M.Queen (reading speech):”..and I hope you realise I didn’t write this crap.”

435610 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 6, #600 of 1890 🔗

What’s next for Snowdon then?

After supporting lockdowns that are so ruinous we’d have been less damaged by the luftwaffe returning and having a free pass carpet bombing the country he can’t very well go back to objecting to harmful government interventions, can he? Is he lining himself up for some kind of change in career or have some new master in mind in the near future? Maybe he’s going to end up at the WEF.

435643 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Katabasis, 3, #601 of 1890 🔗

They can smell repercussion
The weasel words will begin in earnest

435613 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #602 of 1890 🔗

I’ve just watched the debate between Christopher Snowdon and Toby and CS still saying lockdown is the only way to save lives by stopping human contact. Anyway here’s one to ask all lockdown supporters “do lockdown stop working after an initial fall” the reason I am asking this is because even though where in lockdown here in York it’s begun rising. On Monday it was 68 per 100thousand and now it is 77 per 100thousand as lockdown stopped working or is this a temporary blip. I have my own theories why this could be happening but was wondering is this happening anywhere else as MSM keep telling us infections and deaths are declining but we must hold on to get the numbers further down.

435706 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #603 of 1890 🔗

If you match to Google mobility data,.nothing has changed since December 29th. Despite it being lower than summer, its high enough and the virus receding anyway

The virus is just doing what it does

435726 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Derek Toyne, #604 of 1890 🔗

Have you got a concentration of cases in, perhaps, a prison ? It skewed the results upward in my city for a few days.

435809 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #605 of 1890 🔗

There is a similar “blip” for my district council as well; “cases” jumped from under 10 to 20 for a couple of days last week. I suspect that some “group setting” or other got tested. But that has to be taken in the context of a district of circa 80k people.

I have to keep reminding people who question my non-mask wearing that the chances of catching it in this area are practically zero.

436964 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #606 of 1890 🔗

On itv news tonight it was claimed infections was increasing in 1 in 5 places so is this evidence that lockdown only works for so long?
Here in York infections continued to increase for ten days after lockdown and when it peaked it was the highest in Yorkshire. Now it’s one of the lowest in Yorkshire but rising for no obvious reason. Does this mean the higher infections go the lower the infection rate ends up being?
I’ve noticed this occur in many other places all over Britain and are beginning to think when we allow infections to rise and fall herd immunity kicks in. Unfortunately lockdown interferes with this process which was first observed by William Farr a friend of Florence Nightingale in 1840. If what I am observing is correct then lockdown as a limited affect only prolonging the pandemic not ending it. But surely if lockdown worked why is China the only country where it’s worked ?

435747 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #607 of 1890 🔗

I think the whole area of testing is such a shambles that those kinds of changes are just noise

Unless you believe in asymptomatic transmission, for which there is very little evidence, then the only thing that is going to make much difference in the community is people staying at home when they are sick, which in general people are probably doing. Beyond that, most of the infections are likely to be in hospitals and care homes where isolation of ill people is much harder

435759 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #608 of 1890 🔗

Quite simply, the number of people tested has probably been increased. Even this Govt guidance clearly states that the figures quoted per 100k do not factor in the number of tests carried out. This is criminal misrepresentation of data.


The sentence under this interactive map specifically states that the reference number per 100k is calculated by dividing the number of ‘cases’ into the population and multiplying by 100,000. There is no mention of the number of tests carried out.

435616 James Leary #KBF, 26, #609 of 1890 🔗

Dear HM Queen

Many thanks for you offer as of yesterday to bestow upon my underserving self, a VC.

I am unworthy. I have done nothing to deserve one. I am intending to NEVER do anything to deserve one. You can therefore shove your Vaccine Certificate where the Orb & Sceptre might not fit.

I remain, your disobedient servant,

435621 Inlakesh, replying to Inlakesh, 4, #610 of 1890 🔗

ChrisCrutch – The One About Vackseenz “today I explain some really important insights into this new mRNA technology, the proposed “solutions” being offered here, and some of the things they’re leaving out of the conversation that most people should know.”

435756 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Inlakesh, 1, #611 of 1890 🔗

excellent stuff, he explains it really well!

435622 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #612 of 1890 🔗

Great website with draft letters to schools, doctors, police, employers etc


Letter for people being pressurised by doctors’ surgeries to receive vaccinations

435632 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 4, #613 of 1890 🔗

Archive copy of the site in case it gets taken down (when)


I will do the letters later

435627 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 3, #614 of 1890 🔗

More from Tom Woods-California has had a tight lockdown while Nevada opened big hotels and casinos. Spot the difference?

435720 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to frankfrankly, #615 of 1890 🔗

What did Arizona do ?

435838 ▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to karenovirus, 1, #616 of 1890 🔗

I dont know, but with that many cases I am guessing an outdoor mask mandate was necessary to drive the number of cases that high.

435866 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to karenovirus, 1, #617 of 1890 🔗

In the middle I think. The US states show that whatever you do the result ends up pretty much the same.

435630 Ross Hendry, 22, #618 of 1890 🔗

Our glorious majesty has clearly been quietly asked if she could “help increase the uptake of the vaccination, ma’am”. Obviously it’s not receiving the riotous national acclaim that was expected.

The numbskulls think that people might not be turning up because of fear that the jab will hurt, not because it’s essentially untested (and proving to have serious side effects even at this early stage).

435634 Cecil B, 13, #619 of 1890 🔗

Harry seeks out the press to tell them the press ruined his mental health

A bit touched like his mother

435635 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 8, #620 of 1890 🔗

Just got to ask someone else, and FB is yielding nothing. Am I reading this right?

Since 1963 (57 years) there’s been 215 deaths associated with flu vaccine. But since December 2020 (just over 2.5 months), there have been 406 deaths from the covid-19 vaccine?



435654 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #621 of 1890 🔗

Although there is the predictable official dispute about deaths attributable to experimental gene therapy mass trials on the gullible (not so with fake C19 deaths, though),this link backs up your very valid point:

436664 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #622 of 1890 🔗

Thank you!

435694 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheHandbag, 4, #623 of 1890 🔗

There is lot more than 406 dead from the rona experimental drug. 300 in the UK alone – and this is only what is reported. Me thinks that quite a few of the Rona dead count are from the drug. Flu vaxx’s in the past 60 years have killed thousands, not hundreds.

435762 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to TheHandbag, 8, #624 of 1890 🔗

UK care home and hospice deaths ‘with Covid’:

  • Last 6 weeks of 2020 ie pre-major vax program – total 3,569 ie under 600 per week
  • First 6 weeks of 2021 ie post-vax program – total 9,576 ie almost 1,600 per week.

Just a coincidence and nothing to do with the vaccine, of course, although the side-effects quoted by several pro-vaxxers would be enough to knock a frail elderly nursing home resident off her perch.

435637 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 16, #625 of 1890 🔗

Et tu, regina?

435656 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #626 of 1890 🔗

The monarchy is just another institution in the hands of the ruling politicians and their oligarch overlords.

“No.10 would like you to say this, ma’am.”

435687 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stewart, 10, #627 of 1890 🔗

It’s simply that the shit-show has stripped away the veil of pseudo-democracy that usually conceals the full range of establishment manipulation.

435738 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #628 of 1890 🔗

Or Her Majesty just sincerely believes the narrative

435730 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #629 of 1890 🔗

Could the answer be much simpler . Buckingham Palace needs renovation, I daresay the other estates need it also and increasing the allowance to the Royal Family at a time when so many are experiencing financial hardship would be difficult .
Enter Bill Gates – he has oodles of money , pays the BBC and all the struggling newspapers to support his vaccination , ID and climate change fantasies, so the Queen gets her pad redecorated and Gates gets a massive endorsement. Win – win , except for us of course who lose our dignity and freedom, our mental and bodily health , possibly our lives , and of course all the respect for our monarch built up over 70 years .

435771 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #630 of 1890 🔗

looks like another Anus Horriblus to me

435777 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #631 of 1890 🔗

She does, doesn’t she.

435639 Hoppy Uniatz, 19, #632 of 1890 🔗

And as for “Vaccine Passports,” I think we just have to wait for that idea to go the way of the SARS 1 vaccine, ID cards and Track and Trace. And accept that, no matter who you vote for, eventually they are going to say “ooh we’ve got a spare £10 Billion here, let’s fritter it away on some crappy doomed surveillance programme,” while the long suffering public just shake their heads in disbelief.

435647 Mic67, 12, #633 of 1890 🔗

Morning. 🙂

435648 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 24, #634 of 1890 🔗

I find the phrase “on non-medical grounds” regarding refusing a vaccine particularly odd. I don’t want to submit myself to an experimental treatment that may very well harm my health. I don’t want to be injected with something about which there is no knowledge of long-term side effects. I don’t want to gamble with my health for spurious benefits. How on earth are these concerns “non-medical”?!

435653 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CrazyHoarse, 11, #635 of 1890 🔗

You don’t have to justify your right to decline their poison.

435689 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #636 of 1890 🔗

True, they will then use that to justify keeping you from entering the pub, stadium, sainsbury or traveling. All of it illegal etc. but since when do laws matter?

435698 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FerdIII, 1, #637 of 1890 🔗

Law doesn’t come into it, just say NO, they will do what they were going to do anyway.

436655 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, #638 of 1890 🔗
435682 ▶▶ RickH, replying to CrazyHoarse, 5, #639 of 1890 🔗

It’s Ministry of Truth stuff.

435649 stewart, 14, #640 of 1890 🔗

“People are pretty excited about the potential for mRNA vaccines,” said Anna Durbin, professor of international health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. “But right now we don’t have the human data to see if they’re going to live up to their potential.”


435666 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #641 of 1890 🔗

Scientists: Vaccination Before Every Vacation May Be Needed

Scientists at Oxford University have suggested that people may need to have a coronavirus vaccination not once, not twice, but EVERY time they want to travel out of their home country.

435704 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #642 of 1890 🔗

Do these scientists realise how much MPs and councillors dream up reasons for foreign travel at tax payer’s expense for “fact finding missions” (like there’s no internet ) . Not going to be popular in Westminster and in town halls everywhere.
But then I realised that there are none so cunning as an Oxford don – by imposing what appear to be justifiable but totally unacceptable restrictions on the law makers themselves , it brings the whole silly nonsense to a more rapid conclusion.

435734 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #643 of 1890 🔗

What is this obsession with foreign travel being so dangerous? I mean unless you are travelling from or to some place where diseases to which you have resistance are rife, what bloody difference does it make?

435760 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #644 of 1890 🔗

And when they get jab-sick they won’t be able to board the plane
Bring it on – I want to see these nitwits suffer

435779 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #645 of 1890 🔗

I’m strangely reassured by that: it means that one’s scepticism about vaccines feels 100% justified when scientists really take off into la-la land. These are supposedly intelligent academics but they are actually lost to the real world.

435669 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #646 of 1890 🔗

How about this for a gene therapy marketing campaign, instead of roping in Mrs Queen?
‘Feeling bored of life? Maybe you are symptomless, healthy, furloughed and lonely? Perhaps missing the visceral thrill of the casino or hang-gliding or the bookies or even Russian roulette? Well go get a vaccine, it’s better than the lottery, now with 5 guaranteed corks popped every day!! Gene therapy, the existential lottery for those sick of life…’
If in doubt…

435683 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 12, #647 of 1890 🔗

3 Nuns just died in Kentucky. 50 or so Nuns got the jab. Days after 26 reported positive for the Covid. 3 died shortly after.

Covidiots and Fake News can’t make the connection between the jab and deaths, cannot explain how post Jab someone can get the Rona, nor can they explain the incredibly high injury percentage in this group (most of the 26 who tested positive were ill).

What a frigging joke.

435671 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 8, #648 of 1890 🔗

This may well have been shared before, but the BMJ is currently running a poll asking the question “ Should spreading anti-vaccine misinformation be criminalised? ” (The poll is on the bottom right hand side if you’re on a computer).


435677 ▶▶ davews, replying to Quernus, 4, #649 of 1890 🔗

Looks a better result than the fake You Gov ones…

435679 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Quernus, 10, #650 of 1890 🔗

They should run a parallel poll asking
Should spreading vaccine misinformation be criminalised?
and then compare the reponses . A trial with a control., they should be comfortable with that idea.

435693 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Quernus, 3, #651 of 1890 🔗


435699 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #652 of 1890 🔗

A glimmer of sanity – when the poll was first launched, the yes count was ahead, but I know the link has been circulated far and wide among people who question the official narrative. We have mobilised well 🙂

435748 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Quernus, 18, #653 of 1890 🔗

I’d like to know who decides what constitutes fake information. Perhaps we should have a highly visible free public debate about the vaccine. I’d welcome it. I bet the vaccine fans wouldn’t.

Here’s a couple of question for starters – why should I automatically trust Pfizer after they settled the largest lawsuit in history for medical fraud? I couldn’t get a job in public healthcare if I’d been convicted of fraud, I’d fail the DBS check. Why should I, as a ‘law abiding citizen’ be anything but scornful of such criminality?

435721 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Quernus, 7, #654 of 1890 🔗

That begs the question in the correct sense of that often misused phrase. Namely, the statement of the question implicitly assumes the desired answer.

435783 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Edward, 1, #655 of 1890 🔗

Thank you for being one of the few that are aware of that, Edward. Misuse of that phrase drives me daft!

435797 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #656 of 1890 🔗

It’s one of many but it makes me growl too.

435741 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Quernus, 4, #657 of 1890 🔗

77% can see through the question’s bias and say no – i guess most readers of the BMJ are medical/scientist types – the silent majority of medical/scientist types having their say in a safe environment

435744 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Quernus, 3, #658 of 1890 🔗

Thanks – done – and it’s open to the public not just BMJ subscribers.

435824 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Quernus, 10, #659 of 1890 🔗

This is an interesting proposition.

Remember that Lancet paper on HCQ causes heart arrhythmias?

Turned out that paper was fraud and had to be retracted.

Now that paper caused many people to die because we know that HCQ reduces the death rate from Covid.

So the BMJ are saying that those who published this paper, plus those at the Lancet who colluded with this fraud plus the journalists who publicised the fraud should go to jail. It seems to me that their proposition is hard to argue with.

On the other hand, the ordinary bloke who is trying to make sense of the world says or posts something, well he posts what he believes to be true. Sometimes he is wrong. Should that be a crime? I doubt it.

So the nub of the issue is how do you distinguish between the two? One was an organised piece of misinformation deliberately placed to bring about death. The other a well meaning comment which was trying to make the world a better place.

The problem with this is it is like Stalin’s election when it comes to judgement. The merits of the case dont matter, it is who judges the case that counts.

435672 RickH, replying to RickH, 37, #660 of 1890 🔗

I was reading the item in ‘Round-Up’ : The Ferguson Correspondence ” – Hugh Willbourn, and noted the following concluding remarks:

Either way, it is time to move on. That requires humility. It requires scientists to step far from their comfort zone. It requires politicians who imagine they know what they are talking about to learn again to listen. It requires sceptics to practise empathy. There is no simple protocol to follow. It requires all of us to continue to be willing to help when it is far, far easier to dismiss and condemn.”

Which is fine. In theory.

But, as a rationalist (I’m turning against the term ‘sceptic’ as too negative – scepticism is but a part), I have practised empathy (and continue to do so) regarding the atrocious brainwashing that the population has suffered. I have refused simple dismissive stuff such as the label ‘stupid’ or the idea that there are masses of people enjoying a holiday on furlough – even if the outcome we can all see is, indeed about as ‘stupid’ as it gets.

But my patience and empathy aren’t limitless. After all, like most on this side of the fence – more sinned against than sinning – my only sin has been a year-long consistency based on established epidemic management plans, a regard for the evidence and truth, and an adherence to well-established notions of morality and democracy and the functioning of a healthy society.

Against this are ranged the big battalions of twisted corruption and ignorance at the highest levels of power and influence. Every day brings a new purposeful assault on norms of decency and morality.

Whilst I understand unknowing victimhood, I don’t feel inclined to empathy towards the nexus of evil that has brought back to life the norms expounded by Goebbels and Mengele.

435692 ▶▶ TJN, replying to RickH, 1, #661 of 1890 🔗

Excellent post.

435703 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 11, #662 of 1890 🔗

I think someone needs to hang to purge this. Hancock in jail, maybe Witty. Who authorised the dumping into Care Homes, who has told police not to investigate the recent vaccine deaths?

Yeah, far from ‘time to move on’. We haven’t even started yet.

435936 ▶▶▶ Teddy Edward, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #663 of 1890 🔗

They even attempted to blame it on the likes of me ie Agency Nurses I’m still waiting for the Pandemic?….Hello!! Are you there?I’m I safe?
In a word lying Cu ts complicit Drs and fat tik tockers the role call is endless.

435722 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #664 of 1890 🔗

Spot on RickH

435764 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to RickH, 10, #665 of 1890 🔗

I am right with you on this. This is the Churchillian moment, if there ever was one. Coercion, propaganda, deliberate misrepresentation of the facts: these cannot be countered with empathy. The appropriate response of a healthy individual is anger.

436683 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, #666 of 1890 🔗

Excellent summary. Thank You.

436710 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, #668 of 1890 🔗

Most patients won’t need it if they have access to HCQ and IVM treatments.

435675 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 36, #669 of 1890 🔗

It was my daughter’s 18th yesterday and on her request I reactivated Facebook to wish her a happy birthday on it. Bloody hell, the level of groupthink on there. Vack. Scene. Be good, obey the rules, don’t blow it, jab me please. Hideous. Could feel the tattered remnants of my sanity slipping away even knowing my profile was on there. Safely deactivated now.

Daughter had a good day though, went to see my Mum and Dad and a couple of her friends came round, lots of hugs.

435681 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #670 of 1890 🔗

Glad she had a nice birthday, Jo.

435696 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nymeria, 1, #671 of 1890 🔗

Thank you my dear 🙂

435702 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #672 of 1890 🔗


435708 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #673 of 1890 🔗

pick one

435725 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #674 of 1890 🔗

Very true.

435711 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #675 of 1890 🔗

Maybe do Telegram to keep in touch with her

435724 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Victoria, 6, #676 of 1890 🔗

She lives with me, it’s just been a little family thing of ours for years that I put up old and new pictures of her on her birthday, so I just did it for that one day. It really is an awful swamp.

435735 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #677 of 1890 🔗

I meant to wish her a Happy Birthday yesterday – sorry for the delay!

I’ve never done Facebook, and never will.

435745 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TJN, 2, #678 of 1890 🔗

No worries, I took a day off from here anyway 🙂

436719 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #679 of 1890 🔗

I believe some 80% of the covid/vax related noise on Facebook is SS (77th) Brigade, and you are paying for it. (Son fights there.)

435678 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 26, #680 of 1890 🔗

So the mRNA experimental drug is a failure. 95% of +70s injected, 13 K dead in Feb, hundreds dead right after, thousands injured. A failure. No other word, just a fucking failure. 11 k dead Feb 2020 from the ‘normal flu’. Don’t see a fucking difference do I?

Now the idiots say the sheep will need 2 injections per year. They will then update your Experimental-drug ID papers. This will be very expensive one assumes.

And of course the fake data will continue to pour out. Flu has now gone, renamed CV 19, itself to be renamed yearly to reflect ‘variants’.

And most idiots accept this. Pathetic.

435751 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to FerdIII, 7, #681 of 1890 🔗

Surely SARS CoV2 is itself a variant – isn’t it all in the name (the one after variant 1)?

Since this all began I’ve seen various estimates of the number of variants, from as low as 4000 to as many as 20,000. We are supposed to believe that there are mutants which are especially dangerous, but what is the difference between a variant and a mutant? Is there a vast army of technicians somewhere analysing thousands of virus samples to identify their individual characteristics? Do they classify one as a variant and another as a mutant? And how are these characteristics tested following the scientific method – experiment and peer review? Unless they are each tested on given number patients in proper trials how would anyone know how one variant differs from another?

If there are 4000 of these bugs they obviously didn’t all turn up at once. There must have been dozens if not hundreds in existence before anyone even knew there was an epidemic under way, all busily mutating away. Doesn’t that mean that fretting about variants or mutants is a pointless exercise? Viruses mutate, becoming less deadly even if they become easier to catch.

Watch as random variant (or mutant if you prefer) is selected to become SARS CoV3 – and around and around we will go.

435685 Julian, 8, #682 of 1890 🔗

Corking day in my part of the world

Lots of people of all stripes out and about

Council workers painting football pitch lines on the common; someone’s confident about the roadmap….

435691 GeorgeRO, 3, #683 of 1890 🔗

I can’t find a way to offer suggestions for “Party Slogans” – my offering
“skepticism is denialism” and for “Theme Tunes” my offering “Safety Dance” by “Men Without Hats”
https:// youtube.com/watch?v=uHqpyB s1FPE…
“We can dance if we want to”
“Well it’s safe to dance
Yes it’s safe to dance”

435700 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 16, #684 of 1890 🔗

Lockdown’s have killed 45.000.

CV 19 over 2 flu seasons supposedly 120.000.

Normal flu is down 50% in numbers or 70.000 over 2 flu seasons…..
Heart disease is also down in dead over 2 seasons by 30% or so…..

Most of the Rona dead are from flu-heart categories + maybe 30.000 who might have died due to CV 19 (not with it). CV 19 is a flu, it is part of the flu family, it is transmitted exactly like a normal flu, there is no difference.

Why would a country need a mandatory experimental drug injection based on real world facts, science and common sense, when 60 years of flu vaxx failure has already given you the answer?

Nucking Futs.

435740 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 3, #685 of 1890 🔗

it’s near as dammit to a cold – colds spread easier the the flu

436727 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to FerdIII, #686 of 1890 🔗


435701 danny, replying to danny, 51, #687 of 1890 🔗

The “selfish” debate is back in force, thanks to the Queen.
Never quite understood how people who are so crippled by fear of an infection that they demand healthy people are locked in their homes, banned from loved ones, from school, lose their jobs, etc etc etc, just so they can feel safer, then call us the selfish ones.

435731 ▶▶ merlin, replying to danny, 17, #688 of 1890 🔗

I am so unselfish that I will allow some covid bedwetter to move up the queue to be jabbed by an experimental gene therapy so they can bask in their own virtue.

435746 ▶▶ RickH, replying to danny, 14, #689 of 1890 🔗

Yes – that anomaly has always struck me :

“Ruin your life because, as a brainwashed hypochondriac, I need reassurance’.

How selfless!

435814 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to danny, 12, #690 of 1890 🔗

I call people like that CUNTS !!!

435956 ▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 6, #691 of 1890 🔗

I’ve always paid great attention to lectures about selfishness from an uber-rich self appointed head of state.

435705 Edward, 42, #692 of 1890 🔗

Following today’s announcement, I think we can finally put to rest the rumour that Biker is really the Queen.

435707 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #693 of 1890 🔗

Handjob to hold a presser tonight at 5pm.

Can already hear the questions from the press:

Kuntsberg: …blah, blah blah, the Queen…
PissedOn: …blah, blah blah, the Queen…
SlyNews: …blah, blah blah, the Queen…
etc , etc , etc

435742 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 14, #694 of 1890 🔗

Will Maj be on the podium with him? She might as well be now that she’s a fully signed up member of the cult.

435749 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to godowneasy, 5, #695 of 1890 🔗

That wasn’t maj. last time she was seen in public she was roaming maskless.

435786 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Ceriain, 9, #696 of 1890 🔗

My mother was born in the same year as the queen (my mom died aged 92). I didn’t take any scientific advice of her, she left school at 14 and believed any old rubbish the tv told her. On the other hand I was the first in my family to go to university, study a technological subject and work in scientific research for a number of years and I still don’t take advice off old ladies.

435716 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 1, #697 of 1890 🔗

Government ‘1 in 3 have no symptoms and are spreading it’


435917 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to eastender53, 2, #698 of 1890 🔗

They’ve been saying that for weeks, that means we must be close to 100% heard immunity now. If every 33% of the population has it for 2 weeks. Then 6 weeks max for 100%. That’s excluding the millions who already had it last year.

435718 Victoria, 28, #699 of 1890 🔗

Draft letter

Letter to schools regarding coronavirus protocols https://miriaf.co.uk/letter-to-schools-regarding-coronavirus-protocols/

Love this section:

I also do not consent to my son/daughter using hand sanitiser . Hand sanitisers contain powerful chemicals that permeate the skin and enter the bloodstream, as well as being implicated in causing dermatitis and destroying vital beneficial bacteria on the skin – essential for maintaining a strong immune system. I do not consent to this product being used on my son/daughter for any reason, and only consent to his/her washing his/her hands with conventional soap and water.

435723 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 48, #700 of 1890 🔗

I realise it’s been discussed quite a bit this morning but I have to say, Yer Maj…wtf?? And what in the name of Covid was she doing having a ‘chat’ with health leaders anyway? Did she look at her diary and think ‘Hmmm, one doesn’t have much going on at the moment, perhaps one should speak to those awfully nice people in the NHS’? Or, by any chance, did some bright spark in the Behavioural Insights Team think it would be a good idea to rope old Queenie in for a bit of free PR in praise of the holy sacrament known as the vaccine? Worst of all, she’s stirring that old ‘us-against-them’ hornets nest. She of all people should not be encouraging this kind of divisiveness. And another thing… (rant nearly over) I wish people would stop telling me how to live my life. Stay indoors, don’t see or hug your family, don’t sit on park benches, don’t travel outside your town, wear a mask, stay six feet away from other people, get tested, have the vaccine, don’t bother the NHS, don’t go on holiday, don’t ask awkward questions, don’t breathe. Bah humbug.

435729 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Liz F, 15, #701 of 1890 🔗

PS: The petition against rolling out Covid vaccine passports now has over 208,000 signatures!

435732 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liz F, 3, #702 of 1890 🔗

I wonder if there is a petition for the covidians demanding vacc passports…I don’t want to look, i bet there is and I bet its got millions of sigs.

435796 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Two-Six, 9, #703 of 1890 🔗

International vaccine passports will be slipped in under the radar as the great British public heave a sigh of relief domestic ones are ditched for now. Give people a chance to become fully compliant with the first, it will then in time become easier to introduce the latter.

435812 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Cumbriacracked, 7, #704 of 1890 🔗

I live in France, and my daughter in England has recently had a baby.

Given that I will NEVER, EVER take one of these vaccines (and neither will my daughter), I face the very real prospect of not seeing my daughter again, or of meeting my grandchild.

435862 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Jody, 7, #705 of 1890 🔗

I think you will Jody, passports may be what “they” want to do but it neither will be implemented no matter how hard they push. I think maybe a negative test may be required for a while.

435881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #706 of 1890 🔗

I hope you’re right. I’ve already devised some madcap plans, such as getting hold of a Cornish fisherman and stowing away in his boat on a fishing trip and docking back in the UK, pretending to be one of his workers.

435888 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jody, 1, #707 of 1890 🔗

Have you tried the ferries, Jody ? Buying property, caring for a vulnerable person, work, etc.

435982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to JohnB, 2, #708 of 1890 🔗

I’ve just been looking on the government website. The problem is, whichever way you do things, there’s a load of testing and quarantining involved. It’s a nightmare…

435908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jody, 6, #709 of 1890 🔗

The uptake of the jab in France is very low, so tryng to introduce a vaccine passport there will be very difficult.

435990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Andrew K, 2, #710 of 1890 🔗

That’s true, Andrew, but the government is biding its time here, rolling-out very slowly and gradually introducing the idea of passports; and it’s working… a recent poll put acceptance of passports at up to 60%, when it would have been nothing like that a couple of months ago.

435733 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Liz F, 13, #711 of 1890 🔗

Should call them by what they are Segregation Passports, it would have more impact

435736 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 13, #712 of 1890 🔗

… or ‘Yellow Star Passports’

435766 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, #713 of 1890 🔗

We are in an optics war and memetics work

436046 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Liz F, 4, #714 of 1890 🔗

As my very wise wife said – those who are ‘hesitant’ to take the jab are unlikely to be persuaded by Liz’s reassurances, in fact it will probably make them more so. Muppets.

435728 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #715 of 1890 🔗

Setback in the Netherlands as the curfew ruling which said it should be lifted has been defeated on appeal


This can normally be a way of just kicking the can which is likely. So it will go to the Supreme Court and lifted days before it would have been anyway.

435757 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #716 of 1890 🔗

Sunny evenings coming on in Amsterdam

435937 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #717 of 1890 🔗

Tulips sprouting?

436091 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, #718 of 1890 🔗

Rioters perhaps

435739 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #719 of 1890 🔗

The ONS total death figures for January are out. 73,000 (England and Wales). No doubt this will be hyped to the stars and back, without anyone pointing out that it’s around 9,000 more than January 2018. Add in the continued failure of the NHS, the despair and neglect of the lonely, the disabled and the old and all the other factors we’re all aware of and the figure isn’t very startling at all. The Black Death it ain’t.

435772 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #720 of 1890 🔗

One month’s figures tell you very little. April 2020 undoubtedly had a very high number of deaths when looked at in isolation. By the end of the year, there was nothing exceptional about overall mortality. But the cliff-edge

January 2021 certainly showed higher deaths than might be expected – now declining. The odd thing is the shape of the curve over what is always a period of holiday disruption – but this year the cliff-face shape at the beginning of the year is hard to believe, even allowing for the usual lags.

Any ideas?

435787 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 6, #721 of 1890 🔗

The sudden emptying of hospitals under government and PHE diktat caused, per the ONS figures, 25k deaths. From this many died at home or care homes. In addition there was an increase in deaths as 111 were using the mantra, unless your lips are blue you do not need to go to hospital. Finally people believed the government bull that the NHS was busy and overwhelmed so did not go to A&E when needed. Add all of these together and I am sure there will be a tad of an increase in deaths.

435793 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to RickH, #722 of 1890 🔗

Sorry Rick I’m not quite following you on the specifics here. I’m only looking at the total figure for January and don’t have a graph illustrating a curve in front of me. Yes I agree April had a massive spike, a doubling of the normal death rate, and then things were pretty unremarkable for the rest of the year until December.

My general view is that Covid is now endemic and seasonal, it’s an addition to the usual panoply of harvesting illnesses and it was always bound to contribute to extra deaths in January. Does that answer your question or have I misunderstood in some way?

435775 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #723 of 1890 🔗

Not forgetting 600k people die per year or 50k per month (on average) and it’s winter, so no it’s not the Black Death.

435899 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #724 of 1890 🔗

Don’t forget to add those who were murdered by lethal injection.

435743 BeBopRockSteady, 14, #725 of 1890 🔗

Irish Lockdown against human rights. What they describe here is authoritarianism.

“While the report considers the public health threat is sufficient to provide a justification for some restrictions, it finds that in the period examined:

Parliamentary oversight of Ireland’s emergency legislation has been lacking.

Shifting relations between NPHET and Government makes it difficult to ascertain where, if at all, human rights and equality concerns are being addressed.

There has been limited or no consultation with those groups most likely to be affected in respect of the public health framework.

The Government’s making and presentation of regulations raises serious rule of law concerns.

Among the report’s findings are that “It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the delegation of legislative power to the Minister for Health has resulted in a black hole for the consideration of human rights and equality concerns.””


435752 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 21, #726 of 1890 🔗

Covid now appears to be a smokescreen for other stuff, ie ID and whatever else they’re up to, so everything else seems moot imo, as Blair and Schwab said, ‘ The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reset our world”

435755 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DanClarke, 3, #727 of 1890 🔗

Too narrow perchance ?

435765 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to DanClarke, 9, #728 of 1890 🔗

The Sisyphean High Church of Scientism are desperately trying to apply a metanarrative to a post-postmodernist world and wondering why they are having trouble getting it to stick, all the while proudly proclaiming ingnorance of the history of philosophy (a la Bill Gates).

Fucking clown shoes. Miranda Blair and Ming the Merciless need to get a clue.

435761 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #729 of 1890 🔗

Breaking news – a paramedic unit just pulled up outside my house – one of them has just gone into the next door neighbours all covered up in PPE. I fear the lurgy has arrived next door 🙁

435894 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #730 of 1890 🔗

No standard practice for all health care workers, for all you know the person next door has a broken tow nail.

436029 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #731 of 1890 🔗

Bring out yer dead

435763 aleaf, replying to aleaf, -6, #732 of 1890 🔗

The problem of cov2 spread is not asymptomatic spread, unless you have extreme close contact like sex or a very intimate long conversation i guess but pre-symptomatic spread is a problem and the two you can’t distinguish easily.
Viral load and infectiveness steadily inclines about 2 days prior to symptom onset peaks at a couple of days and again steadily declines. That about 2 day period before symptoms start you are totally fine but your viral load is enough to infect specially a day before. Infection ratio of 1-2 day before symptom onset was about %30. This is the reason why totally health looking people can infect you not because they are asymptomatic but because they are pre-symptomatic.


435774 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to aleaf, 11, #733 of 1890 🔗

“A mass screening programme of more than 10 million residents of Wuhan, China, performed after SARS-CoV-2 was brought under control, has identified 300 asymptomatic cases of covid-19, none of which was infectious.”


‘pre-symptomatic’ is a subset of ‘symptomatic’

435801 ▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to rockoman, -3, #734 of 1890 🔗

Yes yes it is but you can’t distinguish between a pre-symptomatic and an asymptomatic before symptom onset. Any health looking person can develop symptoms in 48 hours and they are spreading the virus not as vigorously as after symptom onset but they are…how do you propose to distinguish them?

436755 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to aleaf, #735 of 1890 🔗

Why is it necessary to identify them? If they start to show symptoms, treat them with HCQ/IVM.

435943 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to rockoman, 6, #736 of 1890 🔗

Surely an asymptomatic case is by definition an impossibility.

436381 ▶▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to Saved To Death, #737 of 1890 🔗

Well the problem is not them. The problem is healthy looking preaymptomatics who are going to get symptom onset in 48 36 hours where they have vial loads high enough to infect. Flu can spread very much like this about a day before symptom on set. So cov2 a flu like illness as we always parrot can surely spread like that. Or when we don’t like a fact about cov2 it suddenly becomes not a flu like illness but a novel one…

435808 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to aleaf, 9, #738 of 1890 🔗

I have wondered if the model we have of how viruses spread are just all wrong?

I think as an analogy, and island say in the Pacific, destroyed by a tsunami or a volcano, so that there is nothing left, just ash, nothing growing at all.

Go back after a few years and you will find a green island. How do all of the seeds get there? They must blow there on the wind or be dropped by seagulls and their ilk. Life finds a way.

If seeds can travel hundreds of miles in the air, just how far can a virus go?

I cant say I know for sure if viruses can literally blow for thousands of miles, but based on the ineffectiveness of lockdowns and social distancing, I now severely doubt the model which suggests viruses can travel only 2 meters.

435815 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to leicestersq, 1, #739 of 1890 🔗

Keep quiet about that idea. Otherwise ‘they’ll’ mandate mask wearing outside.

435831 ▶▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to bluemoon, 4, #740 of 1890 🔗

It was just me cogitating over what we have seen.

Isnt it true that cases of Covid have risen everywhere with a mask mandate? I havent seen any evidence at all that suggests masks can help unless you want to get more CO2 into your bloodstream.

436375 ▶▶▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to leicestersq, -1, #741 of 1890 🔗

Masks are only good for catching droplets maybe in use in closed small environments like bus etc. But other than that they are useless

435867 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to aleaf, 2, #742 of 1890 🔗

Oh dear, another computer modelling outcome being presented as though its result is fact. The outcomes of computer models are nothing more than the mathematically inevitable results of the starting assumptions.

435873 ▶▶ ThomasPelham, replying to aleaf, 10, #743 of 1890 🔗

This leads to a conundrum for maskers though. Let’s look at this in formal logic.

We have a proposition: Presymptomaic patients are spreading the virus.
Therefore the virus is spread not in large droplets such as coughing or sneezing, but in tiny particles in the air as we breath out.
Masks are not designed to stop this sort of transmission: they are considered to be effective mostly against large particles such as coughing or sneezing produce
Therefore masking is next to useless.

435884 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to ThomasPelham, 1, #744 of 1890 🔗

Good point

435892 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to ThomasPelham, #745 of 1890 🔗

Please don’t let logic get in the way of a good story.

436374 ▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to ThomasPelham, #746 of 1890 🔗

Actually you are right, so what we have been doing is probably futile or little effect as best

435941 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to aleaf, 1, #747 of 1890 🔗

Why do you link this article now? It was first written in April last year, with an update in August 2020.
Yes, the facts are unlikely to have changed, but I am still wondering why highlight this now?

436370 ▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to Silke David, #748 of 1890 🔗

Why no we are all talking about asptomatic spread which is bullshit I know but presymtomatic spread especially in care home settings is very dangerous and must be discussed under the preterm of vaccine inefficiency if they seem to work then no problem

436372 ▶▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to aleaf, #749 of 1890 🔗

Actually you are right, so what we have been doing is probably futile or little effect as best

436043 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to aleaf, #750 of 1890 🔗

CCP Propaganda.

436364 ▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #751 of 1890 🔗


436253 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to aleaf, #752 of 1890 🔗

There was a CDC review mentioned somewhere where they concluded that the household secondary attack rate from both symptomatic and pre-symptomatic patients was 0.7%, compared to 18% from symptomatic patients. So pre-symptomatic spread doesn’t have any significant impact either, and note this is in the household setting. Outside, people don’t usually get close to each other for extended periods of time, so the pre-symptomatic transmission rate in that case is probably completely irrelevant.

436362 ▶▶▶ aleaf, replying to jrsm, 1, #753 of 1890 🔗

Well flu very much spreads presymtomaticly, cov2 is a flu like illness and the paper mentions %30ish so not irreverent at all.So cov2 a flu like illness as we always parrot can surely spread like that. Or when we don’t like a fact about cov2 it suddenly becomes not a flu like illness but a novel one.

436466 ▶▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to aleaf, #754 of 1890 🔗

That 30% seems to be from a single study at the height of the hysteria and propaganda. Many of those results are also from ‘modeling’, where they choose the desired outcome and then change the parameters until they achieve it.

435769 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 74, #755 of 1890 🔗

Just been got at by some pillock:

Him “Why isn’t anyone in here wearing a mask?” He asked this after he’d placed his order and after he’d paid, so wondering what took him so long to ask. “Don’t you know people are dying?”
Me: “People die all the time”
Him “You should go and visit a hospital”
Me “Oh, I have …”
Him: “Well, I think it’s disgraceful no-one is wearing a mask in here”
Me: “No one forced you to come in here, if you’re so terrified, why are you out? Oh, and the weave on that mask is 100 times bigger than the size of the virus”
Him “Well, I’m giving money to you aren’t I?” [No, your’re not ‘giving’ me anything, you’re paying for something]
Me “I’d rather you didn’t”
Him “Don’t worry, I won’t be back”
Me “Good”

And then, another customer tells me to “calm down”. Why the hell should I when someone is questioning my right not to wear a mask. Just wonder if this is another attempt by the authorities to have a go.

435778 ▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 15, #756 of 1890 🔗

Frustrating, but it’s just another drone brainwashed by the media.

435782 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to leggy, 19, #757 of 1890 🔗

Another drone who thinks it’s acceptable to bully another person, using abuse and attempted social-shaming.

435791 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to kh1485, 14, #758 of 1890 🔗

A direct result of the relentless barrage of propaganda. It’s horrible and I don’t know if and how these people are deprogrammed.

435874 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 14, #759 of 1890 🔗

Meanwhile, in another world:

Him: “Why isn’t anyone in here wearing a mask? Don’t you know people are dying?”

Sat at a nearby table are Bruce Reynolds and Mr. Biker: “Could we have a word, please?” …..

435882 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #760 of 1890 🔗

Oh, I wish. Sadly, the two other people who had been maskless dutifully put their masks on when he started having a go.

435794 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to kh1485, 5, #761 of 1890 🔗

“One who offers advice to those who think they possess sense is wasting his time”
– Democritus

435864 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 10, #762 of 1890 🔗

As usual, they haven’t checked a single fact, but think they know it all. Loud, confident, wrong.

435889 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kh1485, 5, #763 of 1890 🔗

You should put a poster up saying, masks make you and me sick, and provide references to all the studies that show this.

435946 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrew K, 8, #764 of 1890 🔗

Or, “Anyone abusing the staff, will be told to leave” If we hadn’t already started his drink and taken his money, I would have told him to get out.

435935 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #765 of 1890 🔗

‘Warped’ may just begin to describe this pillock’s attitude.

436872 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to kh1485, #766 of 1890 🔗

K, please remember, when someone harasses you, you warn them that a second go is a criminal offence under the 1997 Harassment Act. Video the twats and threaten them with a court appearance.

435773 leicestersq, replying to leicestersq, 7, #767 of 1890 🔗

“However, looking at the graph (above) the curves actually shoot up at that point and don’t begin to drop until four weeks later.”

Yes the curve does shoot up doesnt it. Difficult to explain that sudden rise unless it is people dying from the vaccine.

435781 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leicestersq, 3, #768 of 1890 🔗

See my earlier posting. But even if there was some connection, the shape is so odd.

A year of looking at ONS all-cause mortality data has always shown a reliable internal consistency. This is distinctly odd.

435789 ▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to RickH, #769 of 1890 🔗

I am searching for you post but I have only found your reply to my comment. Any clues where it might be?

435811 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leicestersq, #770 of 1890 🔗

It’s down below – in answer to Joe Starlin. It provides nothing more than the same question mark about the oddity of the curve at the beginning of January.

435834 ▶▶▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to RickH, #771 of 1890 🔗

Found it. You did not commit to an answer for the rise in deaths I see.

435784 leicestersq, replying to leicestersq, 25, #772 of 1890 🔗

Some thoughts on today’s lockdown sceptics.

Well it looks from the evidence presented here that the virus is going. We have two important bits of evidence.

Firstly the triage calls to 111. They are falling away to nothing. Secondly the number of positive tests using lateral flow are at a level indicating zero covid.

That is odd given that most of the country hasnt been vaccinated yet. It is odd to think that other countries which have vaccinated less than us are also seeing rapid declines in the number of covid cases.

So what could be causing this rapid decline?

Could it be that herd immunity would have just kicked in anyway?

Is it the seasonal change? I find this latter explanation a bit tricky to agree with given that the peak last year was in Feb – April time period, pretty much where we are now. Occams razor suggest then that the fall in cases may well be due to herd immunity, with some augmentation from the vaccine.

We were never at a point where lockdown was ever justified. But even in the minds of the most zealous of lockdown zealots, it must be clear that lockdown is now killing more people than it is saving. There is no excuse left for this misery to continue.

435792 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to leicestersq, 12, #773 of 1890 🔗

Sars-Cov2 is a strong cold and I’m pretty sure the other corona colds 86’d the fat and the elderly ever year
It was never an issue until it was made one

435805 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leicestersq, 3, #774 of 1890 🔗

Could it be that herd immunity would have just kicked in anyway?

Highly likely – with the addendum that the January rise in deaths may be a result of lockdown simply delaying infections for a significant part of the vulnerable population – i.e practical population immunity could have been effected earlier.

Is it the seasonal change?

The only problem is that the recent notable temperature rise has come too late to be related.

435952 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to RickH, 2, #775 of 1890 🔗

Another reason for the rise in deaths in January is what I call the post-christmas effect.

Many elderly will have felt the isolation and despair much more this year and lost the will to live.

435837 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to leicestersq, 7, #776 of 1890 🔗

The difference in the UK between Feb-Apr last year and Feb-Apr this year, is that this year tens of thousands of people are not being evicted from hospitals under conditions of severe psycholgical stress and sudden social isolation.

Each winter sees a number of viral agents causing respiratory diseases in the mid-latitudes, due in the main to changes in temperature and particularly humidity.

Herd immunity may play some role, but there are a number of such viruses and they are continuously evolving.

Coronaviruses have a strong pattern of seasonalty known for decades.

435851 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to leicestersq, 5, #777 of 1890 🔗

But even in the minds of the most zealous of lockdown zealots, it must be clear that lockdown is now killing more people than it is saving.

In their minds the harms, including deaths, caused by the lockdowns etc are the indirect consequence of the ‘pandemic’.

435785 leggy, replying to leggy, 27, #778 of 1890 🔗

More friends (aged 40 something) submitting to the jab. Some comments from the discussion:

Q: Which did you get?

A: Astra Zeneca

I have 3 friends who got there’s 2 days ago. By that evening they had the chills and could hardly move. Yesterday they felt like they had been hit by a bus! And felt awful! Take some paracetamol every 4 hours!

Had mine too , but the Oxford one. Made me proper poorly. But hey that’s a small price to pay to keep others and myself safe

Note they they don’t realise that AZ and Oxford are the same thing…

Then an update 12 hours after jab from OP:

its put me on my arse tonight, fever,aches and pains.

I think I’d rather get ill.

435795 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to leggy, 11, #779 of 1890 🔗

My daughter works at an establishment where this jab was given. Several of the people who worked there had reactions. One so bad that they vowed not to have the second jab under any circumstances.

Am I right to think that the AZ jab is banned for the over 65s? I wonder why they would do that to something which can save lives?

435803 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to leicestersq, 14, #780 of 1890 🔗

Only banned in most european countries.

435827 ▶▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to merlin, 2, #781 of 1890 🔗

Thanks Merlin et al. I stand corrected!

435852 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to merlin, 9, #782 of 1890 🔗

inc. Sweden – the irony of AstraZeneca being banned for use in several age groups despite being part Swedish, is still completely lost on some people, I’ve noticed!

435804 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to leicestersq, 5, #783 of 1890 🔗

Not banned for the over 65s down here on the south coast. I know three people in that age group who have had it. Mercifully, no bad side effects noted yet.

435806 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leicestersq, 6, #784 of 1890 🔗

Am I right to think that the AZ jab is banned for the over 65s? I wonder why they would do that to something which can save lives?

No, that’s not true; not in the UK, anyway. Some EU countries have not recommended it for use.

For example, Germany has not recommended it for over 65s; Merkel has used this as the reason she has declined it.

Edit: looks like we all posted at the same time, folks. 🙂

435825 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leicestersq, 15, #785 of 1890 🔗

My OH had the AZ jab two days ago – and is just returning to normal – but still pretty tired after one night and a day of feeling pretty rough.

An amazingly high number of those having the jab have reported the same symptoms – far more and more extreme than I’ve ever come across for the ‘flu vaccines.

The reactions may signify nothing critical in the extreme reaction of the immune system. But we don’t know – by definition. What we do know is that a severe reaction is common, and it is exceedingly unpleasant. My guess is that there have been relatively few 999 calls only because word has got around that you can expect to be ill.

My intention not to touch the undertested snake oil with a bargepole has only been strengthened by the experiences that I have heard at first hand.

435973 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to leicestersq, 6, #786 of 1890 🔗

The FDA has refused to license it as has India and a few other countries.

435800 ▶▶ merlin, replying to leggy, 12, #787 of 1890 🔗

Tell them the real side effects will come after the second dose. If they get over them then they have ADE to look forward to as well as prion disease and god knows what else.

435869 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to merlin, 9, #788 of 1890 🔗

If this risk of ADE is very real for some, the fact of the matter is that those with poor immunity who are now jabbed are really not safe to go out and be in contact with others- EVER again during their lifetime. They have just allowed themselves to be injected with something that now means they will be at risk ( and sorry to be blunt but possibly resulting in death) even if in contact with a simple cold some of which I think are coronaviruses. It is criminal and inhumane that they weren’t warned fully and able to give informed consent to this.

435802 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 15, #789 of 1890 🔗

But hey that’s a small price to pay to keep others and myself safe

I find it astonishing that people actually say crap like this.

Not talking about you, leggy; I mean in general. I cannot imagine anyone I know using such a phrase.

435820 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, 7, #790 of 1890 🔗

They are truly lost and nothing can save them
Wedded to the state

435823 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 8, #791 of 1890 🔗

Bonkers isn’t it. I’ve given up trying to point out that if the govt state that the jab does not prevent you from catching or transmitting any virus then it’s not doing much to keep anyone else safe.

435870 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to leggy, 5, #792 of 1890 🔗

It is bonkers. They’re obviously picking up these phrases from the likes of Handjob, Zahawi, Arsebook, and the MSM. Oh, and the NHS adverts, of course.

435963 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ceriain, 7, #793 of 1890 🔗

They all think after a few days feeling ill they now have an iron suit around them forever.
I dread what effects it will have long term, and it makes me wonder why these people do not think long term! But then they succumbed to propaganda.

435810 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to leggy, 6, #794 of 1890 🔗

From a friend I’m hearing lots of stories of flu like symptoms and shivering and having to go to retreat to bed after the AZ vaccine. Pfizer vaccine less short term affects, but sore arm in most people jabbed. Long term damage – yet unknown.

I’ve had no side affects at all to my NIwVD vaccine so far.

435819 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to leggy, 10, #795 of 1890 🔗

i went round to a mates for a few drinks on Monday night – he said one of his palls had the jab and was in bed for a week afterwards with dreadful flu like symptoms – and my mate was having the jab the following day – how the fcuk does that work? You cant fix stupid! Anyway he survived, for now….

435839 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Major Panic, 5, #796 of 1890 🔗

Are we talking about the AZ/Oxford one here? I mentioned yesterday the anecdotal tale of a neighbour’s friend having the AZ one and suffering “extreme side effects” 12 hours later.

435830 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to leggy, 7, #797 of 1890 🔗

I like the part about the genetically engineered monkey adenovirus inserting an extra bit of DNA into the nucleus of your cells. None of this boring mRNA stuff for AZ. Sounds like a brilliant idea! Who wouldn’t want that?!

436016 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #798 of 1890 🔗

Despite the cocked up trial and fudged trial results the PR campaign around the oxford/AZ stab has been impressive. Most people seem to think that the oxford stab is closer to a traditional vaccine.

435853 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to this is my username, 5, #800 of 1890 🔗

How ignorant the masses are, there was a tweet last night saying what are the anti-vaxxers worried about, not as if people are dropping dead from the vaccine, if only they knew!! Although that celebratory Polish doctor who went live online taking the jab whilst mocking the anti-vaxxers, joking he will become a 5G antenna…dead

435904 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, #801 of 1890 🔗

I didn’t see that Polish doctor story, do you have a source please?

435978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Andrew K, #803 of 1890 🔗


436011 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Andrew K, #804 of 1890 🔗

Has Tiffany Dover been confirmed as still alive?
(by a reputable non legacy media source?)

436173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Crystal Decanter, #805 of 1890 🔗

The fact that all the so called fact checkers are denying she’s dead must surely mean the opposite.

435872 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to leggy, 5, #806 of 1890 🔗

My 82 year old Granny had the Oxford jab in early January and thankfully, so far, had no side effects. She gets her 2nd dose in April and I can’t help but worry for her after that.

435790 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 4, #807 of 1890 🔗

The Eve of Destruction sung by Barry McGuire back in 1965. A song for our times too

435798 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to wendyk, 5, #808 of 1890 🔗

I keep going back to For What It’s Worth by Buffalo Springfield from the same era.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line
The man come and take you away

435807 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to ConstantBees, 3, #809 of 1890 🔗

I’ve chosen Bad Moon Rising by CCR as my offical Lockpocalypse theme song.

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

435817 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #810 of 1890 🔗

Another favourite of mine

435822 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to wendyk, 3, #811 of 1890 🔗

This Corrosion ” by The Sisters of Mercy
sums it all up

435829 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #812 of 1890 🔗

‘I’m Gonna Dig Myself A Hole’ by legendary blues man Arthur Lee Crudup

436056 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, #813 of 1890 🔗


Oops miss remembered that bit, it should say

“And I don’t care what your called
tell me later if at all
I can wait a long long time
Before I see another LOCKDOWN”

435835 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to wendyk, 3, #814 of 1890 🔗

And Linton Kwesi Johnson – Reggae for Peach

About the Special Patrol Group murdering Blair Peach, but highly relevant to the current situation too

 Oh ye people of England,
Great injustices are committed upon this land,
How long will you permit them, to carry on?
Is England becoming a fascist state?
The answer lies at your own gate,
And in the answer lies your fate.


435858 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #815 of 1890 🔗

Junior Melvin ‘Police and Thieves’

435868 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to wendyk, 2, #816 of 1890 🔗

Just had a listen. Very good. Thanks.

435895 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to wendyk, 2, #817 of 1890 🔗

You must be Covid-free, you’ve got great taste!

435984 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #818 of 1890 🔗

I think I’m resistant and I’ve got a long memory of many old favourites, from the days when good music flourished .

435856 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to wendyk, 2, #819 of 1890 🔗

Someone I know suggested this rather apt song.

Dio – Egypt (The Chains Are On)

In the land of the lost horizon
Where the queen lies dark and cold
And when the stars won’t shine then the story’s told, yeah
When the world was milk and honey
And the magic was strong and true
Then the strange ones came and the people knew
That the chains were on
That the chains were on
My, my, my, in the land of no tomorrow
Where you pray just to end each day
And your life just slowly melts away
Each day you hear the sand as it moves and whispers
Come and sail on my golden sea
Maybe one day you’ll be just like me, and that’s free
But still your chains are on
Yes, your chains are on
Still your chains are on
You’ve seen them walking on the water
You’ve seen flying through the sky
They were frightening in the darkness
They had rainbows in their eyes
When the world was milk and honey
And the magic was strong and true
Then the strange ones came and the people knew
That the chains were on
That the chains were on
That the chains were on
That the chains were on
Oh my the chains were on
In the land of the lost horizon
Where the chains are on
In the land of milk and honey
Still the chains are on
Where the queen lies dark and lonely
Still the chains are on
And the world was new and magic
But the chains are on
Hey, the chains are on
Oh the chains are on
Yeah, the chains are on
Oh the chains are on
Hey, the chains are on
You’ve seen them walking on the water
Oh the chains are on
You’ve seen flying through the sky
My, the chains are on
They were frightening in the darkness
Yes, the chains are on
They had rainbows in their eyes
Hey, the chains are on
Oh the chains are on

435860 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #820 of 1890 🔗

‘Won’t Get Fooled Again’ The Who

435911 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #821 of 1890 🔗

RJ liked his chains ….
similar to this and pertinent to the fact that we are being programmed to give up everything and die for some fat shaman’s wild idea of pleasing the covid gods , i will refer you to Stargazer on Rainbow rising
One would hope that the current stargazer meets the same fate
And that we then see “A light in the black” .

435813 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 43, #822 of 1890 🔗

A nice customer just now. He has repeatedly refused the vaccine (he is late 80s). He has received a letter today to say he is now on the ‘at risk list’ and should not go out until 21st May. Coincidence? I think not.

435848 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kh1485, 23, #823 of 1890 🔗

That’s interesting. My latest letter from my mate ‘Matt’ suggests I stay home until 31st of March. I wonder if I’ve another letter coming in the post.

Should add I’m ignoring ‘Matt’s’ advice and working as normal.

435932 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Ceriain, 4, #824 of 1890 🔗

Ditto, thankfully I don’t get the “Matt” letter, but my friend did. (I was illegally having tea at her house yesterday morning). It does say that the shielding regulations are guidance and not law.

435855 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 12, #825 of 1890 🔗

That’s really coercive! I’m appalled.

435926 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #826 of 1890 🔗

He will, I hope, ignore the bullying message.

435938 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 2, #827 of 1890 🔗


435942 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 1, #828 of 1890 🔗

I seem to remember reading somewhere that age alone does not mean that you are on the “at risk” list. Does anyone know what the criteria might be?

436285 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, #829 of 1890 🔗

There’s going to be an awful lot of people being told to F.O then!

435816 JASA, replying to JASA, 28, #830 of 1890 🔗

I have had a good response from my son’s school in relation to testing. I wrote…..

Dear Mr XXXXX,

Good morning. I am writing in relation to the testing programme as part of the return of pupils to face to face tuition. I want to understand what the school’s position is in relation to being tested or not and the reasons behind those rules, bearing in mind the legality of any such decision.

You state in your letter dated 25 th February 2021 that, ‘before students start face to face teaching, they must have completed their first test (Test 1)’. This is not the government’s position. You later state that, ‘testing of course remains completely voluntary, although strongly encouraged.’ It hasn’t been made clear what will happen if pupils do not have the tests, but I should point out what is says on the relevant government website and here is the link ….


It says, ‘From 8 March, all children and students should return to school and college. All primary pupils should attend school from this date. All secondary pupils and college students will be offered testing from 8 March, and those who consent to testing should return to face-to-face education following their first negative test result. If you or your child (if they are aged over 18) do not consent, they will not be stopped from going back and will return in line with their school or college’s arrangements.

It is therefore perfectly clear that the tests are voluntary and children are not to be excluded if they do not have the tests. All it is saying is that if you do have the tests, you need to have a negative result before returning. This is the government’s position and the legal position. What are the arrangements at the school for those who do not have the tests, bearing in mind what I have brought to your attention, i.e. you cannot exclude those who do not have the tests?

I look forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely

He replied….


Many thanks for your email and let me reassure you immediately.

It would have been more helpful for me to have phrased the sentence in question – that all students should have been offered Test 1 before they return because as I mentioned later in the letter and as you quite rightly highlight, testing remains entirely voluntary. Those students who have parents who do not wish their children to be tested or who are themselves of an age where they can decide they do not wish to be tested, will be welcomed back into school just the same as those who are tested and are clear. There are clearly no consequences at all for those students not being tested.

I hope that reassures you but please do say if it does not.



He also clarified a further question from me in relation to home testing…

To answer your question yes the same stance applies for Home Testing – it is still a voluntary procedure and children will still be able to come into school even if they have not had a test taken at home ‘.

So that’s good.

435988 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JASA, 5, #831 of 1890 🔗

Of course he worded it like he did at the beginning of the letter so that the parents think they HAVE to test their children.
Good for you to stand up to him.
I hope your son will have a pleasant school experience – as far as that is possible these days- and not feel under peer pressure.

436411 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Silke David, #832 of 1890 🔗

Exactly. “Must have completed” and “should have been offered” are very different things. I got my son exempted from wearing a mask last term. It was making him unwell and lethargic.

435994 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JASA, 5, #833 of 1890 🔗

Well Done for looking after the interests of your child.

A pity not all parents do that

435833 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 17, #834 of 1890 🔗

Just spoke to a relative on a video call. Much made by them of vaccines saving the day, which is standard talk now. I remained steadfast that it wasn’t for me. But they did say they were getting fed up with news making everything negative. Even said pig dictator’s last message was skewed by news – they had watched both. Anyway I said it was an opportunity to challenge and investigate- did they know the virus was so intelligent it could tell whether you were sitting in business or economy on a plane?  Anal swabs for the virus – really? Response was I didn’t know that – to which I said start challenging and questioning the news. More small steps but this is a person who does believe the BBC, that Royalty are marvellous etc etc.
Also heard a conspiracy theory debunker on talk sport last night with “can you believe 30% of people think COVID is a hoax?” – I was quite cheered by that… 30%. Also listening to someone who had been in Las Vegas last weekend who said all the ordinary people were saying “what’s going on, what happened to flu?”. Wakey wakey…maybe they are?

436000 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to VickyA, 4, #835 of 1890 🔗

Uh, the way flu has been repackaged as Covid is a hoax.

436008 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to VickyA, 5, #836 of 1890 🔗

Weasel words abound
the repackaging of every single viral symptom on the planet as Covid is the definition of hoax
Sars-Cov2 is a bog standard Coronavirus embellished with magical woo woo properties by the Covid cult
Dangerous for few – just like all the other Coronas

435841 Jonny S., 35, #837 of 1890 🔗

So out walking this morning and being lucky enough to live in a beautiful part of the world I thought I’d share this picture with you.

I see it as a visual allegory of the current political climate.

As winter turns to spring and sunlight burns throught the mist clouding your vision, a clearer view of the way ahead appears.

Although the fog of war still pervades, you can feel the energy of the sun starting to bring light to this half of the planet.

Small creatures and plants start to wake from a long slumber, they reach out toward the warmth and the light and they know what it feels to be alive.

They start to fill with the Spirit that pervades all living things.

The Spirit that THE SCIENCE cannot quantify, cannot model and cannot explain.

And for that reason it is the Spirit that makes THE SCIENCE afraid.

THE SCIENCE will try to understand the Spirit but it is far to immature to have even the first inkling of what the Spirit is.

THE SCIENCE fears the unknown and there is plenty THE SCIENCE does not know and it tries to hide it’s fear behind arrogance and hubris and projects it’s own fear onto others.

Some of you will succumb to THE SCIENCE and fear will cloud your judgement.

Others will feel the Spirit swell inside them and will have the strength to fight THE SCIENCE, for until it accepts that Science and Nature and the Spirit are one then fight it you must.

All this I know because I sense things Humans, after all these years on this planet, are unaware of.

I sense the Earth, I sense the Universe, I sense the Spirit.

Anyway, must go.

The man who thinks he owns me has walked off and I’ve got rabbits to chase.

Stay strong, you Humans have a tough couple of years ahead of you.


435842 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 24, #838 of 1890 🔗

Call me selfish or whatever, but I would never take anything to protect other people, its a ridiculous concept, people’s brains have been trashed with all of this

435854 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 5, #839 of 1890 🔗

I don’t think it’s ridiculous to do so, or consider it at least, but the idea that it’s selfish is

435843 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 27, #840 of 1890 🔗

A good weekend planned. Later on mildly sceptical friend plus kids over for tea and a play. Lunch tomorrow with old neighbours (transpired after the event they were on the Oxford Street March as well). Sunday? probably round my Mums with the rest of the fam and cousins etc.

Next Saturday over to my brothers, barber doing home visits so the kids will go back into school looking sharp oh yes.

435863 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Still Got It, 12, #841 of 1890 🔗

Excellent, love it! I am going to my best friends tomorrow where we will hug and laugh and have our kids all play together.

435875 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Still Got It, 17, #842 of 1890 🔗

Yes. In lieu of general sanity, we can at least create our own by ignoring as far as possible everything that makes no sense coming out of establishment sources.

We’re just off for a meal with friends. Another friend has just left the house.

So – “F. Off Boris, Brenda, assorted pole-climbing arseholes and delusional hypochondriacs!!!”

435847 stephenhoffman, replying to stephenhoffman, 5, #843 of 1890 🔗

This comment was inspired by the great meme posted at the end of the Lockdown Sceptics newsletter yesterday.

“He has free food, free shelter and free medical care.” (Picture of a caged lion.)

“He doesn’t.” (Picture of a lion standing proud in the savanna.)

Water seeks its own level: in the world of the future, some will prefer freedom and danger in the wild, ruthless, hard-scrabble world of get-to-the-top-and-keep-everyone-else-down social and bureaucratic class warfare.

These are the technocratic, managerial elite—the current stars of science, academia, politics and main-stream media.

The rest will prefer life in the zoo, nauseating their zookeepers with effusive thanks for every morsel of mangy upkeep that rains down on them from their masters in the administrative heavens.

Anyone with no stomach for either alternative—predation (“farming”) or obeisance—will just have to suck it.

435865 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to stephenhoffman, 1, #844 of 1890 🔗

You omitted the ‘start slitting throats’ option, Stephen.

435896 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to JohnB, 1, #845 of 1890 🔗

After hoisting the black flag?

435900 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Katabasis, 1, #846 of 1890 🔗

Mencken 🙂

435903 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Katabasis, 2, #847 of 1890 🔗
435974 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Katabasis, #848 of 1890 🔗

From a tactical point of view, that part of the quote never made much sense to me. 🙂 Here lives a throat-slitter, like.

436027 ▶▶▶ stephenhoffman, replying to JohnB, #849 of 1890 🔗

Our “masters” would merely use that as an excuse for extending their police powers, John. Look at the US-capitol protest fiasco. You might as well slit your own throat. (Mencken never did make a lot of sense.) Anyway, there might still be hope. But remember Mithridates: “He died old.”

436890 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stephenhoffman, #850 of 1890 🔗

Our “masters” would merely use that as an excuse for extending their police powers, John.

Which would likely increase the throat slitting ‘exponentially’. 🙂

Look at the US-capitol protest fiasco.

False flag.

You might as well slit your own throat. (Mencken never did make a lot of sense.)

Hope you don’t think this makes a lot of sense ? 🙂

Anyway, there might still be hope. But remember Mithridates: “He died old.”

Youngster – already outlived him.

435857 skiggy, 1, #851 of 1890 🔗

The greatest song for Lockdown Sceptic is- Labi Siffri’s – Something Inside So Strong. – Google it and play it, the words are perfect for Lockdown Sceptic followers.

435871 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 12, #852 of 1890 🔗

‘Allen’ had a nice post up on Wednesday night comparing UK mortality stats for December 2020 versus December 2019.

Deaths from heart disease and dementia were down about 80% in December 2020 compared to the previous year.

A useful avenue of rhetorital attack and narrative deconstruction I think.

436274 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to rockoman, 1, #853 of 1890 🔗

So not only has Covid cured influenza its stopped dementia and heart disease. I think that’s amazing. 😎

435878 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 24, #854 of 1890 🔗

The Queen – we are all selfish if not pricked – has clearly lost it and should make way for a saner monarch, like her eldest son. No, wait…

435883 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to TyRade, 17, #855 of 1890 🔗

Apparently she believes that an individual is vaccinated to protect other people from the disease. Is she really that ignorant?

435893 ▶▶▶ tarfu, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #856 of 1890 🔗

Obviously not reading Lockdown Sceptics

435923 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #857 of 1890 🔗

Yes, funny that, vaccination works like masks!

435995 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to iane, 6, #858 of 1890 🔗

I’ve been saying this for a while. It nicely demonstrates how lazy the vast majority are when it comes to logical thought. They have just linked the two without any consideration at all. Morons – including her majesty.

435950 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #859 of 1890 🔗

It’s all of the inbreeding.

435890 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to TyRade, 7, #860 of 1890 🔗

she is only saying what her husbands captors have told her to say

435918 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Major Panic, 3, #861 of 1890 🔗

You won’t get Philip back unless ……….??

435955 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to DanClarke, 4, #862 of 1890 🔗

You won’t WILL get Philip back unless ……….??

Fixed that for you. 😉

436053 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Major Panic, 1, #863 of 1890 🔗

They have probably just produced another video of Andrew.

435902 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TyRade, 34, #864 of 1890 🔗

I’ve just become a republican.
Not a word from the old trout as her subjects are locked up, bullied, muzzled, terrorised, and deprived of everything that makes life worth living. But when it comes to jabberwokery, suddenly she funds a voice – to back the oppressors.

Bog off, Hanoverian.

435912 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Annie, 6, #865 of 1890 🔗

Uptick for jabberwokery.

436085 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to TyRade, 6, #866 of 1890 🔗

I’m so disappointed in her. I mean, I’m not a royalist in any way, shape or form, but I’ve always seen her as being a dignified and sensible person. Why did she feel the need to weigh in like this – like some third rate celebrity trying to persuade people to Just Say No?

436206 ▶▶▶ PCNoMore, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #867 of 1890 🔗

I know what you mean. I served her for 32 years and swore allegiance to her twice. She can fuck right off now as far as I’m concerned.

436267 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TyRade, 2, #868 of 1890 🔗

I’m afraid the Queen has fallen off her pedestal, I’m done with the monarchy now.

435879 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #869 of 1890 🔗

We have all heard that flu has disappeared. But that is not quite true. It has returned in Sub Sharan Africa and Eastern Asia. What do those two areas have in common? Low C-19 activity. It would be naïve to think that flu will not come back in the UK next winter perhaps with a vengeance.


435919 ▶▶ iane, replying to swedenborg, #870 of 1890 🔗

And yet, Captain Tom was in hospital with flu!

435922 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to swedenborg, 3, #871 of 1890 🔗

…..but, but …..I thought East Asians never got flu because they wear masks all the time ????

I am sure it said so on TV.

435887 Seansaighdeoir, 14, #872 of 1890 🔗

Perhaps we are witnessing an evolution in our ‘democracy’?

Like in Idiocracy where the secretary of defence had to add to everything he said with ‘…brought to you by Carls jr’?

In future we may see at the state events the BBC preface the sombre occasion in hushed tones ‘there is her Majesty the Queen … sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline’ or ‘there is her Majesty brought to yous by AstraZenica’.

It could catch on.

435891 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #873 of 1890 🔗

Age not job prioritised in second phase of Covid jab roll-out: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56208674
Teachers and cops are ‘rather annoyed’. 😉

But Geoff Barton, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL), said he was disappointed that education staff would not be prioritised in the next phase.”This is important not only in reassuring staff who it expects to work in busy and crowded environments, but also in terms of minimising disruption to education caused by staff absence as a result of Covid.”

Metropolitan Police Federation chairman Ken Marsh criticised the plans to prioritise by age group, saying “it’s absolutely disgusting – they don’t give a damn about us”.


435898 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ceriain, 7, #874 of 1890 🔗

Has a single cop died of the Rona? Serious question. I remember it being asked months ago and I don’t believe any had at that time.

435915 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #875 of 1890 🔗

Correct I recall someone did a FOIA a little while ago that said zero Met Police deaths from covid-19. OK that’s not a bang up to date stat but, ask the question another way: if a single officer had contracted covid-19, I believe we would have heard about it. and heard about it again.

435920 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #876 of 1890 🔗

It would have been turned into a martyrdom cult.

435983 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 8, #877 of 1890 🔗

Considering how overweight many of the pigs are, it’s surprising that there aren’t a few at least.

On the other hand I can guarantee that a large number of them have been off for months with self-diagnosed long-covid.

435916 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #878 of 1890 🔗

Has ANYONE actually died of covid as opposed to with covid? Who knows!

435927 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to iane, 4, #879 of 1890 🔗

The pillock who harassed me in my shop earlier does, apparently!

435960 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to iane, 2, #880 of 1890 🔗

I believe that around 3% of the 120,000 plus who have died within 28 days blah,blah,blah,etc,etc have actually died OF Covid as opposed to WITH Covid.

436402 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #881 of 1890 🔗

This 120,000 deaths nonsense is about 1 in 5 of all deaths per year yet total deaths this year as not increased by that amount. To believe 120,000 have died from covid you must believe it’s cured heart disease,strokes,dementia and other illnesses as all have declined. If you really believe this you could take it to it’s mad logical conclusion and say let’s let covid let rip and watch deaths from heart attacks disappear. This is what believing that covid has killed 120,000 implies nonsense but scary.

435906 ▶▶ iane, replying to Ceriain, 7, #882 of 1890 🔗

they don’t give a damn about us”.

Noone else does either!

435985 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to iane, #883 of 1890 🔗

What goes around comes around….

435924 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #884 of 1890 🔗

We’re all in this together, protect the vulnerable…

See how selfless all these zealots really are when it comes to the crunch?

435931 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ceriain, 2, #885 of 1890 🔗

Maybe someone in the government has said, what if teachers, police etc die, who will teach the children and police all our new “guidance”?

435934 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Ceriain, 8, #886 of 1890 🔗

We could do with a cull of woke, lazy teachers so bring it on.

436044 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ceriain, 3, #887 of 1890 🔗

Just goes to show that this is not a real ‘pandemic’. I’ve always said that if this were a truly dangerous disease that affected all age groups equally, then the young/working age population would be first in line for the vaccine because they are responsible for keeping society running.

436081 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 2, #888 of 1890 🔗

What a load of wets – they need to stop being so selfish and think of all the other people who want to be jabbed.

435901 Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 24, #889 of 1890 🔗

Dr. Seuss, anyone? 🙂

435913 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #890 of 1890 🔗

….including the vaccine!

That’s brilliant. 🙂

435966 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 28, #891 of 1890 🔗
435979 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to JohnB, 3, #892 of 1890 🔗

Love that!

435907 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 18, #893 of 1890 🔗

Well sceptics don’t know how it is by you but round here the joint is jumping, just been to B&M four tills running and still lining up, more folks with muzzles of,car park almost full, the first real good day weather wise and look at it apart from the business side of things lockdown is over…

435929 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #894 of 1890 🔗

How strange that people should wait for a nice day to spend it in shops.

By the way, was that ”muzzles OFF”? I hope so! I didn’t see any non-muzzled yesterday, and even the car park was full of them.

435971 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Banjones, 3, #895 of 1890 🔗

Yes muzzle off mostly young folks.

435980 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Banjones, 4, #896 of 1890 🔗

Bet the coast will be packed this weekend and parks if the weather holds..

435967 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #897 of 1890 🔗

Everything is buzzing round here
The rapists dad must be fuming

435910 Jo, replying to Jo, 18, #898 of 1890 🔗

49 year old health administrator in an Essex hospital did not want vaccine but felt obliged to have it. Her husband took her to the hospital and she returned afterwards to the car, he asked if she was ok and she said fine. Then she died, there in the passenger seat of the car, before he had started the engine.
As reported in the local newspaper.

No, that last sentence was a lie. The woman was known to a retired journalist, his friend’s sister. Retired journalist told this to my journalist friend at the beginning of this week. At least I will be able to follow up and discover whether there was a post-mortem and hopefully the findings.

436022 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jo, 3, #899 of 1890 🔗

I always have to think twice if I uptick a comment like yours.
What a shock for the husband and rest of the family.
Still they will deny it was an adverse reaction. So sad.

436025 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Jo, 6, #900 of 1890 🔗

I have no words.

436294 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Jo, 1, #901 of 1890 🔗

They are supposed to keep you under surveillance for 15 minutes after the jab. They don’t.

435914 Annie, replying to Annie, 5, #902 of 1890 🔗

We have some great measurers and gaugers among us.
Can they tell me how many Rona bugs could dance on the head of a pin?

436064 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 2, #903 of 1890 🔗

I make it 50 million. It would have to be pogoing or Riverdance though or the poor things would fall to their sadlideaths. Long as there are no angels on there already.

435921 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 3, #904 of 1890 🔗

This may have been posted already. Ferguson’s Fake Figures, from Politico:


436587 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Banjones, #905 of 1890 🔗

Superb analysis

435928 Cheezilla, 5, #906 of 1890 🔗

Is Ian Dunt a typical example of a Liberal?
His book should be titled: How to be a complete tosser.

435933 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 17, #907 of 1890 🔗

I just spent ten pleasant minutes in the sunshine at the riverside leisure and tourism hub.
Surprisingly busy as almost everywhere was closed and there are no tourists.
All ages and groups of family and friends ambling cheerfully around, sitting in twos threes and occasionally fours on the many benches.

The only people wearing masks were the pensioners emerging from their sheltered housing units for the weekly excursion to the not very nice convenience store. They were also the only swervers, so far as their walkers and zimmers allowed.

Bozo and his roadmap need to check reality.

435939 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to karenovirus, 23, #908 of 1890 🔗

Local nature reserve. Car park full, cafe open, all the benches/tables full, even a few hardy souls with a picnic. No masks and the side step polka seemed to be more to do with the mud still about than anything else.
Lockdown breakdown continues on a pace

435987 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to EllGee, 10, #909 of 1890 🔗

‘Lockdown Breakdown’, nicely put.

435959 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to karenovirus, 7, #910 of 1890 🔗

We just about to head out for long afternoon walk, yesterday was far busier here both cars on the roads plus people out and about. I would say many were not local which was good to see.

Wonder if Wancock is appearing later (never watched so far and most certainly will not today) due to the weather forecast for good weather this weekend, can’t have the people thinking it is fine to go out.

436071 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to karenovirus, 1, #911 of 1890 🔗

I’ve now seen a few groups of joggers out who are clearly friends not household members (unless they are very weird people who live together in their 40’s!). I also saw kids playing 5 a side in the park.

The roads are clearly full of non-essential journeys. It is clearly falling apart.

436075 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kenadams, 1, #912 of 1890 🔗

Yes, been out today, the traffic was appalling – compared to recently, anyway. I even had to take a diversion because of a queue!

436255 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to kenadams, 1, #913 of 1890 🔗

Yep, I saw four separate football games going on in the park today.

436073 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 4, #914 of 1890 🔗

I predict an enormous propaganda campaign this weekend as a result. Bozo getting upset because other people are walking in the park etc. Lots of long lens shots of covidiots on the beach. Perhaps even the Queen being wheeled out again to tell us all not to be so selfish.

Hancock could threaten to ban outdoor exercise again, but frankly I think even he must realise how ludicrous that would look now.

436252 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #915 of 1890 🔗

The sooner everyone stops complying and throws away those masks the sooner we can get our lives back.

435944 skiggy, #916 of 1890 🔗

Why have Lockdown Sceptic no EMail address to write to? Out of 786 comments, why am I the only one that gets:
18 minutes ago
Awaiting for approval???????????????

The greatest song for Lockdown Sceptic is- Labi Siffri’s – Something Inside So Strong. – Google it and play it, the words are perfect for Lockdown Sceptic followers.

435945 Bella Donna, 13, #917 of 1890 🔗

Having listened to the discussion above, its clear Christopher Snowden is a government shill. Toby well done you had him on the ropes.

435949 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 46, #918 of 1890 🔗

More Diddums; the national chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales this time:

The decision not to prioritise police officers in the next phase of the coronavirus vaccination programme is a “deep and damaging betrayal” which “will not be forgotten” , says the national chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales.

John Apter says: “There’s real palpable anger from all levels within policing about how we have been completely disregarded and ignored in this phase.

“What is expected of policing does put them at risk, it does put them at risk of transmitting this virus.

“They’re being spat at, coughed at, rolling around on the ground with people, working in hospital environments, going into people’s homes, they can’t mitigate the risk of the virus.

“All of that means absolutely nothing.”

Yeah, and the way your members have treated and betrayed the British public won’t be forgotten either, John!

435951 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Ceriain, 22, #919 of 1890 🔗

Is there a fund where we can all chip in to have the police jabbed sooner?

436003 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to leggy, 8, #920 of 1890 🔗

If we can be assured that they’ll get the Moderna, Pfizer and AZ jabs all at once, I’ll make a huge donation…

435953 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Ceriain, 25, #921 of 1890 🔗

Fuck the pigs.

435954 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ceriain, 8, #922 of 1890 🔗

They have no idea of how ironic the comment is.

435958 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Ceriain, 18, #923 of 1890 🔗

As I recall not one single police officer has died of Covid. People like security guards and lorry drivers are far more likely to die of it. If you were going to prioritise by job you would surely do it scientifically and that would see cops and teachers at the end of the queue. Not that my lorry driver husband wants the damn jab anyway. Personally I would be happy to see it tested on home working civil servants who have spent the last 12 months making sourdough, our increasingly oppressive police and the bone idle, woke teachers. Most of them have done noting useful all year so they may as will contribute something to society as vivisection subjects. Rather them than the poor rhesus monkeys and beagles!

436037 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #924 of 1890 🔗

I think you may have meant ”die WITH it” – and there aren’t many of those either, and only a tiny number ”OF IT”.

You’re spot on about using those wasters as guinea pigs. Great idea! They’d be daft enough to welcome it too!

436068 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #925 of 1890 🔗

My brother, essentially a civil servant who has spent the last 12 months making sourdough, cannot wait to have his jab…

436129 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #926 of 1890 🔗

I’m with you on the animal testing, as I shall be explaining to my GP surgery if anyone bothers to call me again.

435961 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ceriain, 12, #927 of 1890 🔗

I want every single oinker jabbed and incapacitated
Probably the reason they don’t want to do it

435969 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 11, #928 of 1890 🔗

Will the police be under a no jab no job order? Could be No jabby no bobby.

435970 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 7, #929 of 1890 🔗

Yeah, and the way your members have treated and betrayed the British public won’t be forgotten either, John!

No it won’t. Tell you what John, have my dose.

435976 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ceriain, 29, #930 of 1890 🔗

Ironic really. Police who want it can’t. Doctors who don’t want it are forced to have it.

Welcome to 2021 the year in which every day is like the mad hatter’s tea party.

435989 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Ceriain, 25, #931 of 1890 🔗

Does punching protesters in the face increase the chance of contracting the deadly plague? Quick – give them the needle! Although most of them seem to spend their time investigating non-crime hate speech on the internet – the only “risk” involved here is the threat that these braindead jobsworth goons pose to free speech and civil liberties.

My respect for the police wavered when they took the knee for BLM. It diminished when they started walking around with their filthy face nappies on like lobotomized hypochondriac stormtroopers. And then they started beating up anti-lockdown protestors – as far as I am concerned they are the enemy now.

436039 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #932 of 1890 🔗

Reading the government’s own words on ‘mask exemption’ they specifically mention police officers. They shouldn’t be wearing them as they ”serve” the public. (Yes, I know – ”serve”!!!!)

436005 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Ceriain, 7, #933 of 1890 🔗

The pigs can have my two doses

436034 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ceriain, 1, #934 of 1890 🔗

No, it obviously doesn’t mean much – because we don’t hear of police officers dropping likes flies with a dose of ”covid”. And he obviously hasn’t read that the ‘jab’ doesn’t necessarily prevent someone transmitting it. Plonker.

436231 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 1, #935 of 1890 🔗

Especially how fat the rozzers are now
Would have thought they’d be high Rona risk

436038 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Ceriain, 4, #936 of 1890 🔗

Tiny violin.

436121 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, #937 of 1890 🔗

Just for you
…dang cant post pictures…
I just found a picture of the world smallest violin

436473 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #938 of 1890 🔗

Its fixed now here ya go.

436060 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Ceriain, 3, #939 of 1890 🔗

“Going into people’s homes”? You mean like breaking up children’s birthday parties?

436063 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 2, #940 of 1890 🔗

Perhaps if they stopped arresting people for sitting on benches and kept out of innocent people’s way, they might be less at risk? Just a thought.

436115 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ceriain, #941 of 1890 🔗

Is there a petition to sign to get em jabbed faster? Three times?

435957 Alice, replying to Alice, 7, #942 of 1890 🔗

There’s an extraordinary article in ES Magazine:


I wonder if it’s just propaganda, or is it the case of “more money than sense”?

435968 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Alice, 5, #943 of 1890 🔗

Propaganda of the best kind.
It is probably true that some are, but gives no context or proportion.
Are some super rich gagging for the vaccine? Probably.
Are most or even many? I bet not.

435992 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Alice, 5, #944 of 1890 🔗

Agitprop to create further vax demand and societal division.

436070 ▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to Alice, 1, #945 of 1890 🔗

They’re always talking about this on the No Agenda podcast. A relentless effort to convince the public that not only does everyone benefit from the shot but that the rich are skipping the queue and people are trying to get the shot as quickly as possible. I also like Adam Curry’s idea of fake virtue-signalling whereby you tell people that you want other people to get the vaccine first, their lives are more important so you’re going to give up your chance of being jabbed for the greater good

435962 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 46, #946 of 1890 🔗

Just back from my six monthly geriatric MoT and found that my doc is not a big fan of the jab. After suffering the usual “stop doing all the fun things” speech he asked if I was planning on getting the jab when my age group came up. I said no and explained that having a experimental poison for something I have a 99% or better chance of surviving didn’t seem like a good idea. He agreed with me!! He’s fed up with his patients blindly getting stabbed with no idea of what they are doing or why they are doing it. He’s all for informed choice but as most folks aren’t informed he wonders how they can make that choice. Top man.

As a footnote, the masks came off as soon as the consulting room door closed, another positive sign. Muzzles are required to enter the building and in all public areas inside, no exemptions here I’m sad to say, but they come off whenever possible. I do wonder what happens with those who have a genuine need to be exempt, there are no provisions whatsoever in our Covid regulations for them. I could write to our mini dictator and ask, but I prefer to keep my blood pressure in the normal range.

435972 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sampa, 10, #947 of 1890 🔗

That’s brilliant! Well done to your doc, Sampa. 👍🏻 🍻

435986 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sampa, 3, #948 of 1890 🔗

Another cast iron relationship forged – we should all be so lucky

435999 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sampa, 13, #949 of 1890 🔗

I gave an exempt lanyard to my elderly neighbour when he told of being bullied by the receptionist at his (+mine) surgery. He said it worked wonders.

436010 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 3, #950 of 1890 🔗

Good for you! Gold star award!

436009 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sampa, 3, #951 of 1890 🔗

My lot accept the exemption lanyard without question.

This morning I happened to pass one of our GPs on his way to the surgery. He reminded me briefly of our exchange of views on the US election at my last appointment before Christmas.

Having nothing to lose as an ageing recalcitrant sceptic, I told him that Barmy Biden had recently appointed Dr Rachel Levine, until 2012 Dr Richard Levine, as Assistant Secretary for Health.

He looked bemused and said ‘ that’s interesting’, professional discretion to the fore.

436033 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to wendyk, 5, #952 of 1890 🔗

I had a quick look at our legislation (I am at work right now) and apparently the only people exempt are those whose disability prevents them from using a mask correctly, and only then with a medical certificate. Lanyards, stickers and self certification won’t cut it. That is from a recent judgement by a regional court, so even this exemption isn’t a national issue.

Very few people seem to be bothered by this, but it is Brazil and as long as Flamengo won the football last night everything is right with the world!!

436098 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sampa, 1, #953 of 1890 🔗

I suppose we should be thankful for very small mercies here, and you have all that superior Brazilian coffee to enjoy.

436074 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 1, #954 of 1890 🔗

penultimate paragraph 🤣

436090 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, #955 of 1890 🔗

😈 😈 Testing the conversational waters can be rewarding!

436093 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sampa, 3, #956 of 1890 🔗

How any trained medical person can endorse the muzzle fraud is absolutely beyond me.

435965 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 56, #957 of 1890 🔗

Update on GP visit to old mum.
The person that visited turned out to be the resident nurse at the surgery who gets on quite well with old dear.. Soon as she came through the front door I hit her hard and fast with death figures and side effects she was on the back foot from the off.. I then pointed out that some of the ingredients give old mum servere allergic reactions(the chloride)of course she didn’t even know the ingredients for Fucks sake!.. After being shown Uk column video,and other incriminating material she went extremely quite and told old dear she would not be visiting again..I got the distinct impression she was upset and rather disturbed at the information I had shown her this was not in the script..

435975 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #958 of 1890 🔗

great job. thumbs up fo UKCN

435991 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to pub with no beer, 8, #959 of 1890 🔗

Love those guys professional hard hitting..

436506 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #960 of 1890 🔗

They’ve been brave, incisive, superb – I bloody love those guys too!

435998 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #961 of 1890 🔗

Maybe she went quiet because she thought you were a nutter..:-)

Either way, result!

436006 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to stewart, 11, #962 of 1890 🔗

That always helps and wearing a straight jacket gives a good impression..

436030 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 3, #963 of 1890 🔗

Well done Bruce, I think these medical staff avoid anything other than the mainstream.

436041 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #964 of 1890 🔗

It’s all bollocks!

436108 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #965 of 1890 🔗

Hopefully she will go back to work and resign. Good job.

436135 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #966 of 1890 🔗

Well done.

435977 jb12, replying to jb12, 3, #967 of 1890 🔗

I take it the whole thread discussing Israel’s vaccination coercion has been deleted?

435981 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to jb12, 1, #968 of 1890 🔗

Where was it?

436021 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, #969 of 1890 🔗

No idea now. I went via my ‘show comments’ thing at the top of the page and it just never loads.

436035 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 1, #970 of 1890 🔗

It can still be found here: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/2021-02-26.htm – until the mirror is updated

The original post has been left but the replies have been removed – some were a bit salty and some featured personal abuse, but I find it regrettable that they have been removed on a site that is controlled by TY who has worked hard for freedom of speech

436086 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Julian, #971 of 1890 🔗

Thanks. Yes, I agree about its removal.

435993 stewart, replying to stewart, 22, #972 of 1890 🔗

If they were really going to impose vax passports, they’ve left it a bit late.

With millions vaccinated, how do they launch a system now and update everyone who has had it?

Feeding millions of records retroactively into a system is an insurmountable challenge.

I for one will be claiming I had my shot and they’ve made a mistake not adding me. Oh sorry, I lost my yellow card…

436001 ▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to stewart, 18, #973 of 1890 🔗

True. The threat of vax passporting is solely intended to drive the hesitants to the vax centres. I really doubt they have any intention of introducing it.

436013 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ross Hendry, 19, #974 of 1890 🔗

They are not logistically possible, as far as I can see. It’s another psy-op. They’re evil.

People need to find the confidence to say no to this bullying.

436023 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Ross Hendry, 6, #975 of 1890 🔗

I doubt that government will try to implement it. But they’re already making it easy for big business to do so – aren’t there subsidies being given out for the production of ”passports”?

436031 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Banjones, 7, #976 of 1890 🔗

I think you’re right, but I think there will soon be a backlash and those businesses that are going into this early could find themselves in serious trouble.

436648 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tom in Scotland, #977 of 1890 🔗

which is why no retail business has said one way or the other whether they will insist on a vax passport

436024 ▶▶ Mike, replying to stewart, 8, #978 of 1890 🔗

I don’t think we can discount them being rolled out and certainly some businesses will try and implement something along these lines to show how virtuous they are. However, I also think that much of this propaganda at the moment is to scare more people in to voluntary compliance. If you think you’ll be cut out of society a lot of people will just fall in line!!

436080 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mike, 3, #979 of 1890 🔗

If one pub insists on a vax passport when another pub down the road doesn’t insist will be the undoing of the vax passport.

436301 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to crimsonpirate, #980 of 1890 🔗

That was one of the reasons given, IIRC, for the blanket ban on smoking in pubs. An alternative proposal was allowing smoking in pubs that could provide a designated smoking room. I can easily see HMG introducing a national vaccination passport on the grounds that a voluntary system is unfair to some people and businesses. (as if they care).

436110 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mike, 2, #981 of 1890 🔗

Cut out of society? What society?

436076 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to stewart, 2, #982 of 1890 🔗

wait till the tourists come back – their proof of vaccination won’t be in the Queen’s English

436143 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to stewart, 2, #983 of 1890 🔗

They’ve already go the record of someone taking a vaccine so it’s really not that difficult to post-process the data and spit it out on a “vaccine passport”. What would be more concerning from a data processing perspective is that such action might breach the Data Protection Act 2018 which embodies GDPR because they would be processing the data for a purpose for which it wasn’t originally collected so they would need permission to do that.

436228 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #984 of 1890 🔗

I doubt it the NHS is inept at the best of times
Civil Service doubly so

436621 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #985 of 1890 🔗

Hancock exempted al actions from gdpr for the lurgy as soon as it started, all your NHS data is now with all the major players.

435996 pub with no beer, 23, #986 of 1890 🔗

Just got back from a lovely sunny bike ride.Birds singing. HUGE carpets of snowdrops out in the woods. Even had a cheery greeting from one of the local greengrocers outside his house. People enjoying a walk, most unmasked. Let us keep sharing positivity. Will feel uplifted for the rest of the day.

435997 alisonfletch, 3, #987 of 1890 🔗

The GP in Hereford deserves support for her brave stance. Any thoughts on best way to do thi?. I will try and email her but it doesn’t seem much.

436002 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 2, #988 of 1890 🔗

Goofy Gwyneth’s Corona-cure shot down in UK:


Reading that, Gwyn actually has some solid ideas, far better than toxic mRNA jabs.

436014 ▶▶ Jody, replying to awildgoose, -1, #989 of 1890 🔗

If you want to ward off the effects of Covid, it’s Gwyneth’s candle you need to try…


436026 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Jody, 2, #990 of 1890 🔗

wears the candle?

436040 ▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Jonny S., #991 of 1890 🔗

If you’re a lady, I can’t recommend one of Gwyneth’s “Yoni Eggs” highly enough. They get rid of the rona in minutes…


436065 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonny S., 1, #992 of 1890 🔗

Two nuns in the bath, takes me back.

436077 ▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to karenovirus, 2, #993 of 1890 🔗

i thought that was soap

436163 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 340 of lockdown), replying to Jonny S., 2, #994 of 1890 🔗

Yes it does

436019 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to awildgoose, 7, #995 of 1890 🔗

Sadly the British medical establishment always engage in smearing Gwyneth, Goop, the products she sells – it is the same kind of smearing they are doing now during the lockdown. Shame on them!!!!

Gwyneth is correct, fasting helps the body to fight viruses.


436055 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Victoria, 3, #996 of 1890 🔗

Feed a cold, starve a fever…

436020 ▶▶ stewart, replying to awildgoose, 12, #997 of 1890 🔗

Yes, so irresponsible of her, not eating too much, cutting back on sugar and alcohol and taking saunas.

Like the health chief warns, people need to listen to “the science” and not these eccentric crackpots with their wacky health ideas.

436057 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stewart, 6, #998 of 1890 🔗

Plus, what have the scientists got to offer as an alternative, other than locking yourself in the house for a year plus and hoping that you don’t die? They won’t even recommend vitamin d FFS.

436004 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 9, #999 of 1890 🔗

I was wondering if you could refuse the vaccine on religious grounds? Apparently the Congregation of Universal Wisdom is against them. They believe “It is sacrilege to introduce into the body living organisms or any unnatural matter that may alter the natural balance of that organism…” Maybe I’ll convert.

436007 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Liz F, 3, #1000 of 1890 🔗

Whatever it takes.

436012 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Liz F, 4, #1001 of 1890 🔗

sounds like Universal Wisdom to me, welcome to the flock

436045 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Liz F, 1, #1002 of 1890 🔗

Yes I believe you can, just as a vegan or a pregnant lady can.
My in laws are religious and didn’t stop them rushing to get jabbed.

436049 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Ganjan21, #1003 of 1890 🔗

wrong religion

436054 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Liz F, 1, #1004 of 1890 🔗

Is there a definitive itinerary of what is in the magic jab?

436218 ▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1005 of 1890 🔗

Just got this from a U.S. website on the Pfizer recipe ( https://faqs.in.gov/hc/en-us/articles/360054531351-What-are-the-ingredients-in-the-Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-vaccine- )

The Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine includes the following ingredients:
Active Ingredient

  • nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (modRNA) encoding the viral spike glycoprotein (S) of SARS-CoV-2


  • (4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis (ALC-3015)
  • (2- hexyldecanoate),2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (ALC-0159)
  • 1,2-distearoyl-snglycero-3-phosphocholine (DPSC)
  • cholesterol


  • potassium chloride
  • monobasic potassium phosphate
  • sodium chloride
  • basic sodium phosphate dihydrate


  • sucrose

I’m not remotely scientific so the above could actually mean it contains marshmallows, sherbet lemons and cola cubes. In fact isn’t ‘sucrose’ sugar? Either way, I’d rather have the sweeties than the jab.

436322 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Liz F, 2, #1006 of 1890 🔗

Remember the 2 chemicals starting ALC have NEVER been approved for us ein humans in any way, shape or form.

436088 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Liz F, #1007 of 1890 🔗

Only $75!!!

436089 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Liz F, 5, #1008 of 1890 🔗

Do you need any grounds to refuse? The surgery rang husband today to invite him to make a vacc appt and he just said ‘no thanks; don’t have the flu jab and I won’t be having this either.’

‘oh – ok then. Can I put you down as “declined”, then?’


End of conversation.

436095 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jane G, #1009 of 1890 🔗

vax passports, work it out

436507 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Major Panic, #1010 of 1890 🔗

It did occur to me but I’d rather tell them where to stick their prick than plead an excuse. I will ask when they ring me, anyway, although the drone on the phone might not know, of course. She thinks this really IS a proper. vaccine.

436018 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1011 of 1890 🔗

World Economic Forum leads a ‘concerted effort’ for global socialism: Bernardi
Sky News Australia

436028 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1012 of 1890 🔗

Face masks; is the cure worse than the disease?

436032 Biker, 10, #1013 of 1890 🔗

I wonder if Geoff Capes and Brian Jacks will take the vaccine? they’ll be superstars if they do.

436036 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 22, #1014 of 1890 🔗

Essex Police take a bow. Stopping an 80 year old man going on his 7 a.m. constitutional and telling him to “go home and stay safe”

436052 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 9, #1015 of 1890 🔗

Reminds me of a village butchers near me which, in the first lockdown at least, had a sign on its door telling all over 70s to keep out at all costs because of the danger, or words to that effect.

436058 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #1016 of 1890 🔗

Dreadful. It gets worse, they told him to stay at home until the pandemic is over!

436103 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 14, #1017 of 1890 🔗

They can tell him what they effing well like, and he can take what walks he effing well likes when he effing well likes

436118 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 6, #1018 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I think that’s what he told them!

436325 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 1, #1019 of 1890 🔗

Are you perchance related to our saviour from the Spanish Armada, Howard of Effingham? Or possibly to his wastrel younger brother, Howard of Blindingham?

436437 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to kh1485, #1020 of 1890 🔗

Not really a threat was it.
He could go home and come straight out again and be fully compliant with the law.

436061 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1021 of 1890 🔗

I trust those over 70s and all their friends and family keep away from that butcher until hell freezes over.

436132 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1022 of 1890 🔗

I’m not over 70 but I will certainly be keeping away!

436101 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1023 of 1890 🔗

Why, does the regularly butcher the elderly?

436222 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, 3, #1024 of 1890 🔗

Don’t tread on the Governments patch

436066 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to kh1485, 8, #1025 of 1890 🔗

kh1483 – is your cafe open on Sundays? I’m thinking of popping in either this weekend or next weekend.

436069 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kenadams, 5, #1026 of 1890 🔗

Yes, it is. Be nice to meet a fellow sceptic!

436079 ▶▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to kh1485, 7, #1027 of 1890 🔗

It is ‘essential’ isn’t it? I mean there can’t be any other cafes can there within a 40 minute drive of my house (I live in London btw)?! 😉

436133 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kenadams, 6, #1028 of 1890 🔗

Yes, it’s very ‘essential’!

436078 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kenadams, 4, #1029 of 1890 🔗

Make sure you get the right address, Ken; kh1483 is the cafe next door to Kim’s. 😉

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

436047 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #1030 of 1890 🔗

The thought struck me – say the majority of police in the UK (and Ireland) do actually believe that there is a deadly virus doing the rounds, hence the lockdown restrictions are necessary.

If, at some future date, it were to be proven that the whole thing was a fraud, how will the State contain the anger of the police against their masters? It would explain why, having started this shitshow, the Elite can’t stop it.

436059 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1031 of 1890 🔗

I was chatting with an ex-beat copper this week and said our local police seemed to be behaving quite well compared to other forces gang grappling pensioners to the pavement for feeding the birds.

He replied, forcefully, that ‘The Police are too f*ckin’ busy to get involved with all this boll*cks’

436102 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1032 of 1890 🔗

If the Rona were that dangerous to fatties it would have torn through the police service
My days the state on them compared to the olden days

436048 isobar, replying to isobar, 6, #1033 of 1890 🔗

Powerful anti-‘new normal’ video from Canada

THE NEW NORMAL feat. Felipe & T.Y.


436215 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, #1034 of 1890 🔗

Great tune, just a shame Robert J Kennedy croaky voice ruins it for me.

436050 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, #1035 of 1890 🔗


Thoughts on this? I can’t find any real way to dispute it. It’s ICU admissions for any reason, so the dodgy covid stats can’t account for it. Also, I know that hospitals have surge capacity etc – but really to that extent? Nearly twice as much again – could all those people really be fitted in?

Obviously this is only London, so other areas of the country weren’t under so much pressure.

436072 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1036 of 1890 🔗

The key to this is that the Covidian who tweeted this was only looking at flu admissions in previous years compared to covid admissions’ this winter.

If you look at the total number of ICU patients, then this was no biggie compared to other years.

The reason for the apparent paradoxis that a ‘covid patient’ is one who was admitted for any reason, but has had a ‘positive test.

If you are admitted for a heart problem but ‘test positive’, then you are a covid patient.

The Covidian’s graphs include all of these.

So, yes there are more ‘covid patients’ than flu patients in previous years.

It is pure statistical and definitional legerdemain.

Bed occupancy was much higher this winter not because of more patients, but because the number of beds has been reduced – approx. 35% fewer beds than 10 years ago.

436084 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to rockoman, 1, #1037 of 1890 🔗

In the middle of Jan, can’t remember which week, near the height of the winter surge a chief nurse in the NHS was on the Andrew Marr show and said that ICU beds in hospitals in and around London were overstretched but that hospitals in other areas of the country were at normal levels.

436087 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1038 of 1890 🔗
436114 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to rockoman, #1039 of 1890 🔗

Cheers rockoman, I think the nurse was talking specifically about ICU beds.

436147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jonny S., #1040 of 1890 🔗

I would expect a consistent relationship between the total number of beds occupied and the total number of ICU beds occupied, assuming the proportion of patients whe receive intensive care remains roughly the same, which seems reasonable.

436096 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1041 of 1890 🔗

The ICE beds in London may be more ‘overstretched’ if the number of beds has been reduced – perhaps to distance them.

Capacity of personnel may also be a problem because positive PCRs are leading to greatly increased absenteeism of medical staff – self-isolation etc.

436097 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1042 of 1890 🔗

Bed of Procrustes, eh?

436109 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Annie, 1, #1043 of 1890 🔗

Sorry that has gone completely over my head

436318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, #1044 of 1890 🔗


436384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1045 of 1890 🔗

You could write the headlines, couldn’t you, Annie- “One size fits all!”

436127 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to rockoman, #1046 of 1890 🔗

But the graph I posted was produced specifically to rubbish that idea – total number of occupied ICU beds (not %) from any cause (not just covid).

I’m hoping I’m missing something here!

436175 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, #1047 of 1890 🔗

He is comparing weekly admissions of flu patients in previous years to weekly admissions of ‘covid patients’ this year – not total ICU patients.

That’s what the ‘blurb’ on his graph says.

Useless, given what we know about the definition of ‘covid patient’

436179 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to rockoman, #1048 of 1890 🔗

As I have posted further up, NHS statistics do not allow you to distinguish between those who actually have to go to hospital because of covid, and those who merely ‘test positive’ in hospital.

“Can I find out what proportion of hospital admissions are because of COVID-19 or if the primary reason for admission to hospital was for something else?No.”


436082 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1049 of 1890 🔗

Agree with rockoman below. I would add that these graphs conveniently stop at 6 January the day of maximum occupancy, I think the following days sees a reduction. As 40% of so-called ‘covid’ infections occur in hospitals, the difference between normal years and 2020/1 is explained by this, so its really measuring bed swops rather than anything else.
I am very very sceptical of any stats on twitter, either pro or con covid ( or anything else for that matter). Its an dreadful vehicle for analysis, any can post any wiggly line and with no data or context its meaningless.

436105 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 1, #1050 of 1890 🔗

To be fair the tweet is from Jan 4th. So it stops where it stops. And yeah, the whole edifice relies on the idea that a Covid patient is not misattributed from something else. So you get this inflated number and can easily then fire it up against the flu numbers for dramatic effect.

It’s simplistic but hardly incorporates much to control for other factors. This guy would never even consider the vaccine possibly bringing in a load. You’d need a really long paper to get into a true comparison of flu v covid 2020

436124 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to peyrole, #1051 of 1890 🔗

Interesting, I hadn’t thought of the bed swapping part of it – would need total hospital occupancy to know for sure I suppose.

I’m sceptical of twitter too, but couldn’t find any way to discredit it!

436094 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1052 of 1890 🔗

The NHS has been consistently reducing the number of beds for decades. Between 2010/11 and 2019/20 hospital beds reduced by eleven percent. This reduction in itself tends to increase occupancy rate.

436120 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, #1053 of 1890 🔗

Agreed, but it’s not occupancy rate though, it’s total number.

436138 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1054 of 1890 🔗

Yes, and since the number of NHS beds has been consistently reduced for years, we know that if the number of beds occupied in absolute terms remains the same, then occupancy must rise – which is what has happened.

436321 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Steve Hayes, #1055 of 1890 🔗

So whoever did this knew what was coming? The aim was to lock us down for nothing other than a seasonal flu and a bed shortage. Apart from Blair, Starmer and the Witless crew, who else in this country is implicated in the mess we’re in?

436217 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to A. Contrarian, #1056 of 1890 🔗

The NHS has been on the verge of collapse since the 80’s
At least Thatcher was actually starving the NHS of funds as it was plainly visible in most dilapidated hospitals
(I know rightoids will disagree but I remember the state of the hospitals with mine own eyes)
Where has all the cash gone since the ZanuLabour splurge is the question??

436083 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 1, #1057 of 1890 🔗

NHS Pandemic Priorities: ‘Misgendering’ By ‘Cisgender People’

436209 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1058 of 1890 🔗

Speaking of the cults
the Covidian Cult is the 3rd head of the Hydra
the Transgender cult (initiated by paedo Dr John Money)
and The Climate Cult
Same beast – different heads

436092 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #1059 of 1890 🔗

“We see Chris lounging on his sofa in what appears to be a dressing gown, a microphone in one hand and a vape in the other.”

Ugh. One reason for shunning Zoom.

What was the cause of Snowden’s epiphany? What made him see the True Light?

436113 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #1060 of 1890 🔗

Money or a blackmail video

436365 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ken Garoo, #1061 of 1890 🔗

Here’s a better reason for shunning Zoom.
And for better vetting of teachers:


Maryland Teacher Seen Masturbating During Zoom Lesson with 8th Graders – Says It Was “Dumb Luck” After He Is Caught

436099 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 14, #1062 of 1890 🔗

Luke O’Neill, Irish Professor of Biochemistry, Pharma-investee and media celebrity, explained why people shouldn’t worry about the speed of vaccine development to the Irish Mirror:

“It’s very understandable that people are going to have these anxieties. To counter the worries, the creation of the vaccine was fast only because they put money into it.
“So, for example, if you have a man painting your house, it might take him a week.
“If you have a hundred men painting your house, it would be done in an hour, and that’s all happened here.
“It became a logistical thing. It needed money and people were deployed. That’s why it went fast, there were no shortcuts taken.”
He added: “The risk of you getting harmed by the virus far outweighs the risk of you being harmed by the vaccine, so you have to keep reminding yourself of that.
“Above all, try and be glass half-full in these troubled times, because that, too, will help your immune system.”
So there we have it – developing a brand new vaccine technology is just like using paint quickly. No mention of the curtailed trial stages which, I suppose is just like watching paint dry?

436111 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1063 of 1890 🔗

And would that be quick drying paint?

436119 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to wendyk, 3, #1064 of 1890 🔗

And how long will that paint last? Was it good quality? Will it peel and chip off? Can it be cleaned when the kids scribble all over it?

Only time will tell.

436112 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1065 of 1890 🔗

Glass half full? The govt have been glass-completely-empty-and-smashed-to-smithereens-on-the-floor throughout, and now it’s out fault for not being cheery enough?

436123 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to godowneasy, 4, #1066 of 1890 🔗

Of course you could speed it up by not preparing the walls properly. Straight after painting it would look fine but give it a year or so and everything falls apart.

436131 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jonny S., #1067 of 1890 🔗

And I’m trying to imagine 100 blokes crammed around my little house all at the same time!

436164 ▶▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to godowneasy, 2, #1068 of 1890 🔗

Of course they don’t have to be blokes.
In this age of equality enlightenment they could be bikini clad page 3 stunnas.

Right now I’m hoping you’re a bloke.

436414 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Jonny S., #1069 of 1890 🔗

Or trannies !

436125 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1070 of 1890 🔗

Yeah, he could maybe have used the analogy of HS2. Bucket loads of cash. Hardly helped

436130 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1071 of 1890 🔗

He’s a total psycho!

436136 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1072 of 1890 🔗

Yes I know – that’s why I keep a regular watch over the nutty professor (and his mates).

436159 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1073 of 1890 🔗

Ok Taking these are professional painters who have always done a good quality job.
1 They all knew about preparation and its importance.
2 They would know what paints to use on what surface
3 Influence of temperature
4 You can only go as fast as the paint drys before a second coat is applied.

They would have spent zero hours on research

In short it would have been done quicker but that quickness would be limited by drying times.

Would they have spent any time in paint labs?
Would they have tested how new paints reacted on different surfaces?
Would they have spent time researching how new paints reacted to different weather conditions?


436223 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1074 of 1890 🔗

professor paintjob can be his new name

436359 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to godowneasy, #1075 of 1890 🔗

They can speed up the production of new vaccines by having lots of different groups working on them.

You still can’t speed up the clinical trials. You can’t evaluate medium and long term effects in eight months.
Or ignore the adverse reactions and pretend they don’t exist.

436104 lorrinet, replying to lorrinet, 54, #1076 of 1890 🔗

I think Her Maj has made a serius mistake in her intervention over the vaccine. All her reign she has never put a foot wrong and she should have known better, considering how precariously the monarchy is hanging on thanks to the actions of its younger members. I am insulted and offended at being called selfish because i don’t want a barely-tested, foreign substance plunged into my body, especially since I have had covid and therefore have antibodies, and T-cells to provide more if needed.

I am a free-born Englishwoman, and no unscrupulous get-even-richer-even-quicker control freaks from Big Tech and Big Pharma are going to force me to take a dodgy drug I neither want nor need. So kindly shut up, Ma’am.

436140 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to lorrinet, 14, #1077 of 1890 🔗

Yes, it’s very sad. I know that our sovereign has to do as she’s told, but at the same time she is supposed to be politically neutral. This latest pronouncement strikes me as a thinly disguised apologia for a failing government.

436142 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to lorrinet, 12, #1078 of 1890 🔗

Yes I feel disappointed in her big time for what she said, whether she was coerced to say it or not. Like you say, she should know better.

436144 ▶▶ Annie, replying to lorrinet, 9, #1079 of 1890 🔗

And how.
What a time to get off her royal fanny.And what a way to do it.

436155 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to lorrinet, 11, #1080 of 1890 🔗

She’d have been better off defending the people from this outrageous attack on their liberty and health by BJ, Wancock, Witless, Unbalanced, Neil Alwayswrong and her own bloody son!

436157 ▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to neilhartley, 10, #1081 of 1890 🔗

In fact, I think the monarchy should end on her sad demise.

436172 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to neilhartley, 5, #1082 of 1890 🔗

As I just commented above, maybe that was what the ultimate goal is in getting her to do that broadcast.

Of course, what do you replace the monarchy with, a Blair type president who spends tens of millions to get elected like the US Presidency?

436200 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to lorrinet, 5, #1083 of 1890 🔗

Anus Horribilis part deux

436309 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to lorrinet, 4, #1084 of 1890 🔗

I don’t believe the Queen actually wanted to say that, she has been coerced into saying something her advisors and government have written for her.

436311 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to lorrinet, 1, #1085 of 1890 🔗

Her intervention would seem to have gone down like the proverbial Led Zeppelin.

436367 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #1086 of 1890 🔗

Yes -a “back of the queue” moment.

436494 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, #1087 of 1890 🔗

He got a lot done with his 8 years didn’t he.

436564 ▶▶ Jody, replying to lorrinet, 1, #1088 of 1890 🔗

Well said, and good for you!!!

436107 alw, replying to alw, 14, #1089 of 1890 🔗

Robin Monotti;

“This is as direct as The Lancet can get to tell the public all ‘Covid case’ numbers & graphs so far are simply JUNK DATA.”

THE LANCET: “In our view, current PCR testing is therefore NOT the appropriate gold standard for evaluating a SARS-CoV-2 public health test.”
https:// thelancet.com/journals/lance t/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00425-6/fulltext”

436134 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 13, #1090 of 1890 🔗

Seems the PCR debate is suddenly slapping some people in the face recently. I just don’t get how they are surprised. All this was said about PCR from the beginning. I don’t get it.

436139 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1091 of 1890 🔗

WE heard it said. The zombies blocked their ears and said lalala.

436167 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 7, #1092 of 1890 🔗

Not to mention the report mentioned here earlier today, that for months, the PCR test has been misused with positive diagnosis being made when only one of the three proteins was present.

It is noticeable that in Wales especially, during the last three weeks in January, when pressure was being put on Drakeford to end the lockdowns with falling numbers, at least 45% of the positive case diagnosis were made en the back of the detection of one protein, when the manufacturers specifically recommend that at least two must be present.

436191 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #1093 of 1890 🔗

That wrinkly, malevolent little nonentity Dungford, and his Dung Gang, know that the end of Covid bollox is the end of them. Roll on, oh roll on.

436405 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Annie, #1094 of 1890 🔗

He looks like a Clean shirt would “See him off “

436153 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1095 of 1890 🔗

Well if the vaccines do not really work and they actually want economies/society to work at all they will need to reduce CT values. I guess these articles are the start of that process.

436156 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1096 of 1890 🔗

It was even mentioned on the BBC website months ago. Covidian friend wouldn’t believe me till he read it in the NYT and on the bbc.

See here from 13 Feb 2020


436269 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Jonny S., #1097 of 1890 🔗

It generates false negatives too-a double whammy since some carriers spread the virus and others who are vital staff isolate unnecessarily. That is why mass testing was ruled out in the 2011 Pandemic Prep. Plan, which the Govt. junked.

436490 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jonny S., #1098 of 1890 🔗

Very efficient filing system you have – well done

436189 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1099 of 1890 🔗

A solitary PCR test was never a ‘gold standard’. The Chinese released their diagnostic and treatment protocols in early 2020. In order to confirm the SARS-CoV-19 diagnosis of symptomatic hospitalised patients, they recommended two PCR tests separated by 2 weeks, plus a chest x-ray.

A solitary PCR test for asymptomatic individuals was guarranteed to generate a potentially dominating proportion of false positives – as intended?

436348 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1100 of 1890 🔗

Like New York Governor Cuomo suddenly in trouble a year after mandating that nursing homes had to accept potentially CV19 infected patients.
It’s a shame Public Health England and Matt Hancock aren’t under similar scrutiny.
Maybe give it time….

436116 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #1101 of 1890 🔗

Rishi Sunak ‘plans tax raid on pensioners’ to pay off Covid debts – Daily Mail 26/02/21
I wrote yesterday on LDS that:

I can’t believe the UK populace has remained in a state of comatose stupor for so long – but wait until the government comes after private wealth, that might wake it up!

It seems this rancid incompetent regime (now labelling chronic economic mismanagement as ‘Coviid debts’ ) have read my warning and have cynically decided to get in early before the UK does wake up. This is the thin end of a £3 trillion + Covid mismanagement wedge, where they make the mistakes and we pay for them for generations to come.
Uprising needed, or find yourselves some strong cardboard boxes to sleep in.

436128 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #1102 of 1890 🔗

The bastards said that would rise with inflation. Fuck ’em Fuck ’em all.

436137 ▶▶ Annie, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 4, #1103 of 1890 🔗

DT headline says Fishi promised to be ‘honest’ about the economy when he next opens his official gob.
Well, there’s always a first time.

436184 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #1104 of 1890 🔗

Put all your savings in gold and silver bars/coins and keep it under the floorboards
Only keep as much in the bank to cover monthly expenses

436193 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #1105 of 1890 🔗

I lost all of my PMs in a tragic boating accident.

436307 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1106 of 1890 🔗

Yes- purchase actual real-life physical gold coin, not options on assets. Then, the challenge will be where to hide them.

436398 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1107 of 1890 🔗

That’s what I’ve been researching , should we take our pensions & buy gold ????..

436315 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #1108 of 1890 🔗

The bizarre thing is that a lot of so-called ‘socialists’ – even those not of the ‘national’ sort – are supporting this nonsense (not all) but don’t give a toss that the worst effects are going to descend on the poorest in society who they allegedly care about.

Hypocrites, at the least, cynical bastards manoeuvring for their own place in the apparatchik hierarchy more likely.

436141 alw, replying to alw, 15, #1109 of 1890 🔗

Seen elsewhere;

”“ The Queen has said people who refuse the coronavirus vaccine “ought to think about other people rather than themselves….. Speaking to the senior responsible officers overseeing the delivery of the vaccine across all four UK nations”

And there we thought private conversations with HM were just that. I am sure that I am not alone in thinking that the vaccination programme is not going as well as we are being led to believe. In any event this latest propaganda stunt has backfired. Sadly politicians don’t like the fact that people are educated and can think for themselves. I will not be considering this T cell stimulator until it has undergone complete trials and the results are out there for all to see….unredacted of course.”

Aren’t the Royal Family into homeopathy?

436146 ▶▶ Annie, replying to alw, 7, #1110 of 1890 🔗

More like psyop-pathy, on this showing.

436158 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 4, #1111 of 1890 🔗

Maybe this is all part of the plan. Undermne the monarchy, then suggest that we don’t need it any more and we should adopt the US style democracy with a President.

Of course, we see how easy it is for the Presidency to be bought every four years if you have the money to do it.

Bill Gates for world President anyone?

436183 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #1112 of 1890 🔗

The sole reason I’m still broadly in favour of a Constitutional Monarch as Head of State is contemplating which clapped-out superannuated chancer would probably end up as a President.

436290 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1113 of 1890 🔗

I’d guess it was a deep fake video and she’s already been got out of the way along with Philip – how else will they get their global technocracy? Didn’t the proroguing of Parliament mean that effectively the monarchy was stripped of sovereignty?

436339 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Richy_m_99, #1114 of 1890 🔗

Or better yet, the hackable WiFi-connected voting machines.

436373 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Richy_m_99, #1115 of 1890 🔗

Speaking from my far from accurate memory, it seems to me that far more presidents get assassinated then prime ministers, so maybe not a bad thing?

436152 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to alw, 6, #1116 of 1890 🔗

What this shows mainly is how desperate HMG is to get everyone vaccinated. I can’t remember the last time a stunt like this was pulled. The last time anything remotely like this happened was when it was suggested Her Majesty was not in favour of Scottish independence or Remain, but in both cases that never went beyond speculation in the papers.

436177 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1117 of 1890 🔗

HMQ made one very cryptic remark about Indyref, knowing the attendant microphones would pick it up. She might well think she’s doing good by allowing it to be put about that she wants us all jabbed- none of them are terribly bright.

436263 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to alw, #1118 of 1890 🔗

Prince Charles is. The Queen is from a much earlier generation for such a modern fad.

436407 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to frankfrankly, #1119 of 1890 🔗

Hiya Chuck!
Never thought you’d join lockdownsceptics.
Little disagreement with Mummy was it?

436145 Biggles, 2, #1120 of 1890 🔗

There was a discussion yesterday about the likely vaccine take-up and someone thought it might end up at around 60%. So just for info these are the latest figures from my home town. They have moved onto the 60-65 age-group now.

436148 peyrole, #1121 of 1890 🔗

Latest UK graphs from David Clark who has kept these stats updated since the start.
Showing the all cases and ‘with’ covid deathrates have peaked. The graphs show that deaths ‘with’ covid for over 75s are slightly above normal now, but those for 45-74s are still significantly higher. Given the supposed reduction in just about every other major disease fatalities, he speculates as do I , that this enhanced fatality in these age groups is because of lockdown and not covid.

436150 stewart, replying to stewart, 9, #1122 of 1890 🔗

Just heard the debate between Toby Young and Snowden.

That Snowden fellow comes across as a bit of a simpleton.

It would be good if someone could explain to him that making an assertion and calling it science does not actually constitute scientific evidence.

If this guy is a respected journalist, then one can only despair at the overall intellectual level of journalists.

436162 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stewart, #1123 of 1890 🔗

I’ve never heard of this snowdon chap but from reading all of your comments he seems a bit of a wally

436166 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 4, #1124 of 1890 🔗

Not that it matters much but he also looked like he’d dragged through a hedge backwards and had poor body language. TY looked a lot more alive. The same was true of the Hitchens v Hodges debate

436174 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Julian, 1, #1125 of 1890 🔗

While remaining unfailingly polite (conspicuously unlike his opponent), Hitchens gave Hodges a bloody good schooling.

436170 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to stewart, 3, #1126 of 1890 🔗

It was embarrassingly clear in one of Peston’s early pressers with Witless and Unbalanced that he didn’t understand the difference between an antibody and an antigen. Most of these media types seem never to have had the remotest interest in science to begin with and to have abandoned its study at the earliest legally-permissible opportunity. Not just media types, of course.

436363 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #1127 of 1890 🔗

I have no idea of the difference between the two either so that’s one thing I wouldn’t hold against Peston

436379 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to arfurmo, #1128 of 1890 🔗

No; but Peston is a State courtier, and I assume you’re not.

436151 Annie, replying to Annie, 10, #1129 of 1890 🔗

C S Lewis must have had a pre-vision of Bozo when he made the Ape Antichrist in The Last Battle address the people (talking beasts) that he proposes to enslave:

‘And now here’s another thing,’ said the Ape… ‘I hear some of the horses are saying, Let’s hurry up and get this job of carting timber over as quickly as we can and then we’ll be free again. Well, you can get that idea out of your heads at once […] What do you know about freedom? You think freedom means doing what you like. Well, you’re wrong. True freedom means doing what I tell you.’

436165 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Annie, 2, #1130 of 1890 🔗

And an earlier dictator in Narnia made it always winter and never Christmas…

436262 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #1131 of 1890 🔗

That was Jadis, aka The White Witch

436887 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nymeria, #1132 of 1890 🔗

And ‘Sweet master doctor, learned master doctor, whoever heard of a witch that really died? You can always get them back.’
Jadis is now ruling Scotland.

436161 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1133 of 1890 🔗

Unitntended consequences. Resurgence of bronchitis in Australia due to lockdowns


436326 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1134 of 1890 🔗

No. Whodathunkit??

436168 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 8, #1135 of 1890 🔗

From the horse’s mouth:

“Can I find out what proportion of hospital admissions are because of COVID-19 or if the primary reason for admission to hospital was for something else?



This means that any attempts at, for example, comparing the number of ‘covid patients’ in hospital in the Winter of 2020-2021 with the number of flu patients in previous years are useless.

436180 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to rockoman, 6, #1136 of 1890 🔗

I haven’t bothered to do this for a long time, but you used to able to go into published NHS stats by hospital and work out how many ‘with’ covid patients each had, and how many died each day etc. This did not give you admission break down though. I think the NHS has it but does not publish because it will show an appalling record for infections in hospitals, not just for covid, but just about everything else. If you want to get sick, get admitted to hospital, especially in the UK.

436323 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to peyrole, 2, #1137 of 1890 🔗

That was known decades ago.
During one microbiology class at UCH, I recall the lecturer saying that it’s cleaner (microbiologically speaking) outside on the street than on one of the wards. One has UV and sunlight, the other has a lot of sick people all together.

436390 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to LMS2, #1138 of 1890 🔗

It’s obvious really .

436234 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rockoman, 3, #1139 of 1890 🔗

The govt has no interest in what’s actually happening.

Why would they, as the opposition and media don’t care either

436169 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 4, #1140 of 1890 🔗


One more sign that the lunatics are now running the asylum: Mr and Mrs Potato Head have been neutralised in accordance with the need to protect the sensibilities of potentially ‘triggered’ toddlers.

Now that Mr and Mrs and Miss have been cancelled, where will that leave honorary or inherited or legal forms of address which have hitherto acknowledged the two sexes?

High Court judges? Baronets? Earls, countesses, knights of the realm, dukes, duchesses, princes and princesses?

The wokesters are going to be fully stretched as they set about producing obligatory guidance for the plebs on acceptable forms of address.

Any suggestions?

Where is Titania McGrath when we need her?

436196 ▶▶ mj, replying to wendyk, 12, #1141 of 1890 🔗

shouldnt that be Chestania McGrath???

436211 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to mj, #1142 of 1890 🔗


436207 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to wendyk, 3, #1143 of 1890 🔗

I suggest ignoring them, or if you can’t do that you could tell them to fuck off and die.

436281 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to wendyk, 1, #1144 of 1890 🔗

What will Brenda’s new title be?

436340 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1145 of 1890 🔗

Majesty without the qualifier, or perhaps Brenda would be best to suit the times.

436171 danny, replying to danny, 25, #1146 of 1890 🔗

Watched quite a lot of talk radio recently and have noticed the same pattern.
The guest, be they a member of government, an NHS chief etc, will assert that lockdowns, masks, social distancing etc, works.
JHB will refute that point, using data and statistics, and then without fail, the guest will respond not with their own data, but with emotion. “Well I think we can all agree” or “It is obvious that” or “just look at the situation on the ground”. JHB will angrily try again, to no avail, and that will be the interview.
The two are diametrically opposed. The “look in their eyes” campaign writ large. It is utterly ridiculous. I felt the same when Lord Sumption attempted to assert that some lives have more intrinsic worth than others, to be screamed at by people living the ad slogan “because I’m worth it”.

436190 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to danny, 8, #1147 of 1890 🔗

Welcome to the Age of Feelings.

436195 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 12, #1148 of 1890 🔗

Rationality is regressive in this age of emotional incontinence.

436232 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to wendyk, 6, #1149 of 1890 🔗

Emotional incontinence. Perfect.

436203 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 15, #1150 of 1890 🔗

When someone tells me to put a mask on or leave, I feel marginalised, bullied, belittled, made to feel uncomfortable and unsafe.

I don’t, but if I did it’d trump what I actually feel, which is like I want to beat them with a mallet.

436233 ▶▶ Julian, replying to danny, 10, #1151 of 1890 🔗

Absolutely right

Second Dark Age

It’s a post-scientific world

Just want these tossers to be given their own country to have a go at making a success and see how long it takes them to realise that to get shit done properly, some interest in reality is required

436240 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 3, #1152 of 1890 🔗

And don’t, under any circumstances, let them back in when they’re starving to death in the cold and dark.

436312 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Julian, 2, #1153 of 1890 🔗

Like Oregon, where there were (still are?) several cities trying to leave the state and its crazy (il)liberal state officials, by moving the border to allow them to come under Ohio instead.
Californians are leaving that ruined state in droves, and moving to Texas and Florida (nice in winter, but ghastly hot and humid in summer).

The UK isn’t big enough to move and make a difference.
Perhaps we should encourage the lockdown fanatics to move to California, or New York, where the politics will better suit them.

436327 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to LMS2, #1154 of 1890 🔗

Commiefornians are also responsible for ruining Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico.

They are well on their way to ruining Idaho, Montana, and Utah.

436385 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1155 of 1890 🔗

So progressive that they are returning us to the Swamp 🤦🏼‍♂️ 😥

436298 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to danny, 2, #1156 of 1890 🔗

“then without fail, the guest will respond not with their own data, but with emotion.”

Tucker Carlson: if they don’t answer the question that you’ve asked them, but talk about something else, they are lying.

436475 ▶▶ CGL, replying to danny, #1157 of 1890 🔗

(Meant to reply to GrannySlayer sorry.)

Do they not think we should be more emotional about this sort of thing that is now happening:-

436176 leggy, replying to leggy, 18, #1158 of 1890 🔗

Breaking news – the magic jabs now cure long covid!


No doubt they will next eradicate, hunger, poverty and ensure world peace.

436187 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to leggy, 6, #1159 of 1890 🔗

Nothing to do with resting or getting nutritious food and gentle exercise obviously. That’s all old hat now.

436194 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, 10, #1160 of 1890 🔗

I am waiting the news that those who have been jabbed get more matches on Tinder.

436204 ▶▶ Annie, replying to leggy, 6, #1161 of 1890 🔗

Stick a needle into any sluggish couch potato and it tends to wake them up.

436284 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Annie, 1, #1162 of 1890 🔗

Her Majesty should have spoken the language of ‘da street’ and told her subjects that getting the jab is no more painful than getting a tattoo.

436247 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to leggy, #1163 of 1890 🔗

Well if they’re dead then yes.
100% cured

436358 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to leggy, 1, #1164 of 1890 🔗

Have we seen this before?

It used to be called ‘laying on of hands’ back then, now it is the laying on of jabs.

Not suggesting that Johnson is a pseudonym for Jesus, but then again the latter was crucified and that would be a fitting end to Piffle in my mind.

436361 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to leggy, 2, #1165 of 1890 🔗

‘It’s a miracle!’..
yelled on behalf of all the patients with ME/CFS who have been abandoned, neglected, disbelieved and belittled for decades.

436178 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #1166 of 1890 🔗

“Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers”
Maybe too dark, but

‘Dachau Blues’ – from ‘Trout Mask Replica’ by Captain Beefhart and His Magic Band


‘Pachuco Cadaver’ from the same LP is pretty funky


Lots of organised chaos

436198 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ken Garoo, #1167 of 1890 🔗

Right now there is no such thing as too dark.

The Queen Is Dead – The Smiths
Monkeyland – The Chameleons

436205 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #1168 of 1890 🔗

Siouxsie and the Banshees ‘Happy House’

436275 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to wendyk, 3, #1169 of 1890 🔗

‘Boris Johnson is a Cucking Funt’ by The Knuts

436278 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #1170 of 1890 🔗

Alien Sex Fiend
“Here Cum Germs”

436452 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1171 of 1890 🔗

Mines full of Maggots was one of my favourites
I saw them loads of times, mind-blowing. Nick Fiend and Mrs Fiend are still alive as far as I know, incredibly.

436182 Annie, replying to Annie, 14, #1172 of 1890 🔗

C S Lewis again, writing in 1960. Truly he had foresight.
The speaker is Screwtape, a senior devil. He has just been lamenting the poor quality if the sinners served up at a banquet in Hell. But at least the devils have no shortage of food, because damnation is now so easy:

“He [God] did not create humans – He did not become one of them and die among them by torture – in order to produce candidates for Limbo – ‘failed’ humans. He wanted to make Saints; gods, like Himself. […] But not only that. As the great sinners grow fewer, and the majority lose all individuality, the great sinners become far more effective agents for us. Every dictator or even demagogue– almost every film-star or crooner – can now draw tens of thousands of the human sheep with him. They give themselves (what there is of them) to him; in him, to us [devils]. There may come a time when we shall have no need to bother about individual temptation at all, except for the few. Catch the bell-wether and his whole flock comes with him.”

436192 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Annie, 2, #1173 of 1890 🔗

Prescient indeed.

436185 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 35, #1174 of 1890 🔗

It’s funny, but while the pavement swerving on the streets is as extreme as ever, down the park you wouldn’t know any of this was happening. Hundreds and hundreds of people about, teenagers having games of football and cricket (not just dads kicking the ball around with their kids, proper five-a-sides), BMX’ers and skaters on the ramps, little kids in the playground, young couples holding hands and the picnic tables all taken.

I suppose to an extent it’s a self-selecting sample as by definition, people who go to the park want to have fresh air and exercise, and be around other people, knowing these things are good for them.

436202 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1175 of 1890 🔗

Yes – self-selecting – but increasingly there’s no shame/stigma in behaving like this. Are the leapers and the swervers becoming the eccentrics? Have we reached a tipping point? I don’t want to call it, but things have felt more positive to me over the past few days.

436225 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Johnsontown, 10, #1176 of 1890 🔗

It’s very hard to know. Back in the summer when the pubs were open again and functioning reasonably normally I found many receptive ears for what I was telling them and got the feeling there was a lot more resistance out there. Since being deprived of that real world personal contact the propaganda drowns everything out again.

436349 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #1177 of 1890 🔗

Just a note of caution. It probably felt like this last spring as well. It didn’t work out too well though did it?

436219 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1178 of 1890 🔗

Let the sheep stay in their pens, after all it is lambing time.
Meanwhile us sceptics ( real normal people) will do what normal people do.

436442 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1179 of 1890 🔗

Glad to see lads on the skate park in the park, there was reams of stupid plastic tape and stupid fence posts around it. Totally pathetic. Its all been ripped down, hopefully the yoof will have a bonfire with posts soon.

436186 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1180 of 1890 🔗

Latest ONS Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: 26 February 2021


Prevalence of SARS-C0V-2 or SARS-CoV-2 fragments (as measured by PCR positives) falling in most age groups. But no sign the fall in prevalence in the over 70s is really any greater than in other age groups if you look at how the prevalence has gone down rather than the absolute value. And that’s true from a quick glance at the data if you extend back in time to when experimental vaccination started. How strange!

436214 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Freecumbria, -6, #1181 of 1890 🔗

It’s quite possible that it doesn’t prevent infection but does reduce clinical symptoms.

436224 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 9, #1182 of 1890 🔗

Or that the tests are not very accurate

Or that the vaccines have very little effect one way or the other especially to groups for whom covid is possibly a big problem

I simply fail to see with the way testing is done and data is collected and things are categorised, and with a seasonal virus that may be disappearing anyway because of the season and increased population immunity, how any conclusions can be drawn, and the cynic in me says that the govt is fine with not really knowing what’s going on

436237 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Julian, 1, #1183 of 1890 🔗

Exactly. You can propose a theoretical death curve but the minute you look at the real data any conclusions are predicated on the quality of the data. Data with a lot of noise means you’re looking at shapes in the clouds.

436809 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mayo, #1184 of 1890 🔗

You do accept Covid is seasonal, I presume?

436197 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 71, #1185 of 1890 🔗

When the Taliban seized power in Afghanistan in 1996, they tried to erase all traces of the pre-Islamic past. Perhaps most notoriously, the Buddhas of Bamiyan, 6th century monumental statues, were blown up in 2001.

We are in the midst of a similar process. Not a physical but a cultural cleansing. Civil society, pubs, live music, theatre, small businesses are all being razed to the ground. This is not an unfortunate by-product of the lockdown – it is deliberate. The lockdown is serving the same purpose as the Taliban’s iconoclastic dynamite, and is inspired by the same intolerant fanaticism.

The members of this new Taliban are the acolytes of neo-liberal globalism. Like the Islamic Taliban they despise the decadent, heretical past. They dislike old buildings and furniture and art. They dislike real world clubs and organisations. They dislike any culture that isn’t online and streamed and that predates Star Wars (which for them is an ancient text as foundational as Homer and the Old Testament: actually they have little interest in anything from before about 2015). They live mostly through apps – travel (Uber), sex and dating (Tinder/Grindr), food (Deliveroo). They are early-adopter transhumans, merged with their phone and the internet, only associating with their own kind. They are narcissistic, obsessed with fitness and their physical appearance. Woke is their political creed; Trump their Antichrist. In the UK they first entered Number 10 with Tony Blair (and have never left), but with the rise of the Millennials they have morphed into a digital, 2.0 upgrade of this rather analogue founding father. (Blair was the clunky old Terminator; the new breed are the liquid metal shape shifting one).

They are rife in the media, the law, the education system, the civil service, the charitable sector. They are the establishment now. And you know them when you see them: they have the plastic faces and robot eyes of Mark Zuckerberg; the self-regarding messianic smugness of Devi Sridhar and Carrie Symonds. Silicon Valley is their Mecca and they pray to it 24 hours a day. They are the Build Back Better brigade.

The manufactured Covid crisis is the best thing that ever happened to the lockdown Taliban. It is their revolutionary moment. They revel in the destruction of the old and the opportunity for radical renewal. The lockdown strengthens and furthers everything they believe in and bulldozes everything they hate. It is ushering in the New Normal of their android dreams. 2020 is their Year Zero and they are determined that we will never go back.

436201 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Johnsontown, 18, #1186 of 1890 🔗

Well, they might try.

It won’t work, because their very nature means that they don’t understand us.

All of the sectors you listed are parasitical – poduce nothing.

This whole system is on its way out with the end of the current financial system, along with all of those you mentioned.

436210 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #1187 of 1890 🔗

Great post.Ought fo be in the Grauniad. Ha ha…

436230 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Johnsontown, 14, #1188 of 1890 🔗

Very good. They are almost a new type of human. The Soviets and the Nazis failed to create new man but these freaks seem to have done it spontaneously. Their faces are bland and devoid of understanding, empathy or humour.

436250 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #1190 of 1890 🔗

Great post. I laughed out loud at the bit about Star Wars.

436258 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #1191 of 1890 🔗

This absolutely is a sort of, “secular sharia.”

Secular Sharia (A Fascinating Take On Mask Wearing) | NeoGAF

I see a couple fatal flaws in their plan.

One is tying all these databases together across industries. Even if you have the energy and money available that is decades of planning and programming to really do it right.

The second is their insistence on Green Energy. They really think they can run all-this electric hungry transhumanist infrastructure on solar and wind in these northern climes?

Yeah, no.

436268 ▶▶ jos, replying to Johnsontown, 8, #1192 of 1890 🔗

Absolutely- and on a strange and not unrelated note as I mentioned earlier- the technocrats back in the 1930s were a movement that espoused exactly those ideas and had their own vaguely SS uniform which all technocrats wore in a specific dull grey colour named technocracy grey. (I haven’t made this up – look it up). I’ve just been walking around a very affluent part of London and noticed every door, all the railings and all the cars were in the same deep grey colour. Is this just a fashionable colour at the moment or have we actually already been taken over by these people (who never smile judging from the couple of people I saw)?

436360 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to jos, 3, #1193 of 1890 🔗

Grey is the colour you are correct ! Any house that is poshed up is using it for door frames soffit boards etc ! Proper 1984 must Have !!.. 😳

436299 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #1194 of 1890 🔗

Grear post and spot on. As both Walker and Blunkett have pointed out in their recent joint interview, we are in the midst of a new puritanism and your post links nicely into what they said.

436331 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #1195 of 1890 🔗

Powerful stuff Johnsontown.
Truth can be a nuclear weapon in the right hands.

436353 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #1196 of 1890 🔗

Well done that was a great analogy !! Actually brilliant ! Ain’t half some clever barsterds & you are one 😉 👏

436428 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #1197 of 1890 🔗

This is pretty much exactly how it is with the 20 somethings, I saw it coming but I could put my finger on it. You are very right about this.
The bread-head hipster in his cereal bar is their counter culture and its as fake as they are, Fake as their false fingernail, false as their eyelashes, false as their eyebrows, false as their gleeming white teeth, as false as their world views.

A very sorry sight..

436212 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1198 of 1890 🔗

As it’s such a beautiful spring day and far too nice for serious stuff before I go for a nice homemade veg curry with all the trimmings here is something a bit on the fun, if spooky, side:


436761 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #1199 of 1890 🔗

If you’re interest in this stuff, AG, Chris Spivey has done a lot of comparisons.

436216 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 29, #1200 of 1890 🔗

Cleobury Mortimer, the 3rd smallest town in Shropshire is absolutely heaving with people of all ages, out and about.
Lockdown, what lockdown?

436229 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 21, #1201 of 1890 🔗

Same in my little corner of East Anglia. The local beauty spot was crowded today, and the car park nearly full, so they were not local people. Lots of people about; only saw two maskoids, and no swervers.

436288 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1202 of 1890 🔗

Hate swervers with a vengeance.

436236 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #1203 of 1890 🔗

Great news.

436261 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1204 of 1890 🔗

Good. Excellent news.
They can’t arrest everyone.

436293 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to LMS2, 3, #1205 of 1890 🔗

Coppers seem to be very quiet lately or is that just wishful thinking on my behalf?

436297 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1206 of 1890 🔗

I’m sure I read somewhere that they’ve all died of shame, Philip.

436346 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1207 of 1890 🔗

Excellent ! Just walked the dog to the top of the Lickey Hills & the car park was rammed 😂 😂 😂

436386 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Freddy Boy, #1208 of 1890 🔗

Lickey Hills? God, I haven’t been up there in donkeys.

436400 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1209 of 1890 🔗

Ludlow unfortunately was almost completely deserted when I walked around the historic centre about an hour ago. I suspect too many of the people of that town are elderly and nervous. I suppose I am elderly now, but I am forthright, aggressive and awkward.

436220 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #1210 of 1890 🔗

I just watched The Pandemic podcast with guest Joel Smalley, as linked in the comments this morning.
it is long, but excellent research and well worth watching, so I highlight it again.

436238 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Silke David, 2, #1211 of 1890 🔗

And to be fair, Joel is just taking the ONS deaths from Covid as is. He’s not even trying to break down if the attributions are correct.

436235 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to GuyRich, 21, #1213 of 1890 🔗

Bliar, Gates, Soros and Swarb’s heads should be put on pikes and displayed on London Bridge.

436242 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to GuyRich, 3, #1214 of 1890 🔗

They have – we’re still here.

436244 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to GuyRich, 4, #1215 of 1890 🔗

Old tricks?
What been up to no good in toilets again?
surely against social distancing Miranda ??
tsk tsk

436245 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to GuyRich, 1, #1216 of 1890 🔗

If they do, we will have squandered many of the resources we could use to deal with them.

436259 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to GuyRich, 7, #1217 of 1890 🔗

We could be hit by a deadly meteor.
We can’t live our lives in a perpetual state of fear, much as he’d like us to.
If he is serious about the more deadly viruses (not that this one was as bad as was originally thought) then maybe he should be warning the Chinese and other countries that are busily researching viruses by deliberately making them more infectious and deadly that what they’re doing is dangerous, and they should stop. Eventually one that’s much worse will escape from a lab.

436273 ▶▶ Norman, replying to GuyRich, 6, #1218 of 1890 🔗

Billionaires could fund vaccines for all, but they don’t.

436277 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to GuyRich, 3, #1219 of 1890 🔗

Is that a threat, Tony?

436227 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 6, #1220 of 1890 🔗

Does anyone have or know of a transcript of Lord Sumption’s recent Talk Radio phone-in interview, the one in which he said citizens are not tools at the government’s disposal or words to that effect? I am going to be addressing some people tonight and would like to have it at hand.

436239 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Melangell, #1221 of 1890 🔗

This is a video clip of the interview but I don’t know if this is of use and/or covers all the points you were interested in.


436246 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #1222 of 1890 🔗

Thanks DD – that’s the one I mean but I don’t have to time to transcribe it – meeting is coming up soon. Just hoping someone else mighta done it.
Anyway I have the salient phrase: “(Yesterday’s statement)…is based on the assumption that human beings are essentially at the disposal of the government, that they are all tools of social policy.”

436248 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 13, #1223 of 1890 🔗

Merkel claiming vaxports are a done deal in the EU:

‘Everyone Agreed’ on Vaccine Passports, Says Merkel at EU Summit (breitbart.com)

From Schengen to complete restriction in less than a year.

Ffs sheeple.

436266 ▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to awildgoose, 10, #1224 of 1890 🔗

The only reason that I voted remain was to have easy movement in Europe. That’s gone for good I think anyway. Can you imagine stopping travel between US states? Shows the bankruptcy of the EU project.

436283 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1225 of 1890 🔗

I’m in the US and I believe we will see moves to limit travel between states within 12 months.

436320 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to awildgoose, 5, #1226 of 1890 🔗

Sorry to hear that. I don’t believe a country can have internal borders for long and stay in one piece. Here in the UK, nationalists in Wales and Scotland are trying this to weaken the union. It might work too.

436518 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1227 of 1890 🔗

We’ve had this since early on. To enter certain provinces you must quarantine for 2 weeks. We can technically travel between provinces, but they’re certainly trying to discourage it.

436336 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1228 of 1890 🔗

Illegals will still be free to roam 🤬

436249 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., -1, #1229 of 1890 🔗

And the latest from here.


436286 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Jonny S., #1230 of 1890 🔗

Presumably the ‘Patients admitted’ figures are for patients who are deemed to be ‘covid’ admissions following a positive test when they have been admitted to hospital, irrespective of the reason for admission.

Is anyone able to point me to statistics for all cause hospital admissions over the same period? Being that we have been told over the past couple of weeks that the pressures on the NHS have diminished (because ‘covid’ numbers have gone down) and they are no longer close to being overwhelmed I was interested to see statistics which would be a true indicator of whether pressures had indeed gone down (in terms of all cause patient admissions) or whether they had remained fairly steady or at least consistent compared with previous years.

436303 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1231 of 1890 🔗

The high number of tests conducted still surprises me.
At least half of them will come from care homes and hospital settings, I guess.
My friend works as a carer and as an agency worker regularly works in a small privately owned and run home for adults with learning difficulties. She has to do a LFT every week before her shift. I wonder if that test is included in the statistics.

436334 ▶▶▶ Kat, replying to Silke David, 5, #1232 of 1890 🔗

I’ve been told I will have to do the LFT twice a week for a part-time job amounting to only 10 hours per week. I’m going to tell them where to shove it.

436251 Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 41, #1233 of 1890 🔗

Just back from the vets with my dog and her very poorly paw. Only unmasked person in there . A disapproving look from one woman who declared that she “didn’t want to wait in the reception” (well bugger off then). Almost time to leave work now and get scrubbed up for Friday night speak easy, and the deployment of my middle finger to Boris & his criminal cartel.

436330 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1234 of 1890 🔗

Speak Easy 👏 How , Where ( only approx ) when & in what form ???

436378 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Freddy Boy, 6, #1235 of 1890 🔗

Myself and a friend host regular ‘pub nights’ in our homes. The only problem is keeping the numbers down because we don’t want to attract too much attention.

436483 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #1236 of 1890 🔗

Midlands. A bar within a clubhouse, and a godsend to me since March last year.

436338 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1237 of 1890 🔗

My poor dog managed to damage his same leg twice since lockdown. (more serious occasion, broke all the ‘fingers’ in his front left paw) Vets all marvellous, no fuss about masks, although social distancing except in actual consultations.

436480 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to redbirdpete, #1238 of 1890 🔗

Oh, your poor dog. Mine had a a nasty infection between the pads. Vet cleaned it all out and administered some drugs. My purse is £158.00 lighter 🙁

436883 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #1239 of 1890 🔗

Always makes me smile wryly when I go past our vets’ surgery. All the vets muzzled, all the dogs bare-faced.

436254 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #1240 of 1890 🔗

We’ll keep fighting to stay open, say bookshop owners fined £18,000

436264 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 43, #1241 of 1890 🔗

One of the great simple joys for me was to occasionally to take a train trip to another town and just wander into a bookshop, pick up a novel or a history book and just find a nice pub to have a bite to eat and a couple of hours reading time over a few pints. I can’t describe how much I miss it.

436292 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #1242 of 1890 🔗

Same here. Have boycotted bookshops due to the madness of muzzling, one way systems, quarantined books and anti-social distancing. The few times I went was for click & collect or buy and run – have a list, grab the books, pay then get the hell out. No browsing and no spontaneous purchases as well.

436345 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1243 of 1890 🔗

Prior to all this, I frequented the best bookshop in Dublin (owned by Waterstones) monthly and would regularly drop €70/€80 on books.

Since lockdown, this has stopped and I now buy online. My most recent purchases have been direct from the author selling their publication copies – having had a bit part in a book published in 2014, the norm is that the authors get to buy copies from the publishers at the wholesale price (2/3 of retail) and can then sell these at retail (or whatever price suits them).

436449 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1244 of 1890 🔗

That kind of afternoon is absolutely glorious. I miss it too.

436880 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1245 of 1890 🔗

Jo, you’re making me weep. Let’s meet in Hay on Wye after the war (!) and have a book ORGY.
Other bookworms, come and join us!

436366 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 13, #1246 of 1890 🔗

Decent, hard-working business owners trying to earn a living and subject to persecution by people who are on full wages. An absolute disgrace.

Today, we were sent a reminder to pay for the rental of our outdoor seating area that we have been forbidden from using. You really couldn’t make it up

436421 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 1, #1247 of 1890 🔗

Surely you can’t rent said seating, because that would make you complicit in a breach of covid law, and you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?

436424 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1248 of 1890 🔗

Exactly, but we still have to pay for it, apparently. Such is the lunatic thinking of the Town Council.

436276 Basileus, 19, #1249 of 1890 🔗

Apologies if already posted.

Covid regulations accused had right of silence.

A person suspected of breaching the coronavirus regulations is not required by law to give the police their name and address, an appeal has ruled. Keith Neale, a 60-year-old homeless man, had his conviction for obstructing a police officer by failing to give his details quashed, by the High Court sitting in Cardiff.

In an important judgment on the legal duties of citizens under the coronavirus regulations Mrs Justice Steyn and Lord Justice Dingemans ruled that Neale was under no common law obligation or statutory duty to give the police his name and address.

436280 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 21, #1250 of 1890 🔗

Some Friday inspiration from Governor DiSantis in Florida:

Gov. Ron DeSantis: Florida ‘Oasis of Freedom’ in Country of Lockdowns (breitbart.com)

They are blessed to have him.

436305 ▶▶ JamesM, replying to awildgoose, 8, #1251 of 1890 🔗

A true hero in a world gone mad. We desperately need people like him here.

436380 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to awildgoose, 3, #1252 of 1890 🔗

I think he’s just signed his own death warrant. Taking on facebook and big tech, and being anti-lockdown, the elite won’t like that.

436397 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1253 of 1890 🔗

He has already ploughed through the worst they can throw, when he opened up in September. He was proven correct in his decision.

436409 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to nottingham69, 2, #1254 of 1890 🔗

As indeed all the other countries and states that didn’t follow the narrative. Lets see if he can keep going, well for all our sakes. I may need to claim asylum in Florida at this rate.

436287 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 56, #1255 of 1890 🔗

Up until now I’ve managed to contain my fear of no vaccination, no health treatment. I get it that people want to be able to travel and go on holiday. If they think having an injection(s) of questionable toxicity via an experimental technology is a risk worth taking in order to go someplace, then I see that as being up to them. It could be as simple as personal choice. Unfortunately that won’t work for President Bill et al.

This notion that having one of these vaccinations confers permission for said individual to do something, get something, have something has no bounds. The government tried it on this week with the masks and testing in order for kids to be able to go into school. Whilst there was push-back and clarification the point is they set it up as being mandatory, and schools and far too many parents were all too ready to comply.

We have employers including the NHS stipulating no jab no job. No matter how this infringes informed consent, civil liberty, sovereignty over one’s body, ECHR and whatever else that used to be important pre-covid, could these employers cope with a mass exodus I wonder.

Considering the NHS in particular then. On the one hand Witless says all medics must have jab so not much of a stretch to fear his next words will be all patients must have jab. It’s already the case that in-patients get covid tested and some departments insist on testing before some treatments. I fear it won’t be long, therefore, before we hear Witless or one of the other goons postulate that, in order for any individual to receive any form of NHS treatment/intervention a covid injection is required.

I have considered this scenario long and hard over these past months for I need regular meds and hospital treatments in order to preserve my eyesight. I will not take their experimental injections for what I consider to be valid, informed reasons. That being so I figure I now have to keep telling myself to stay calm, carry on as best I can, and hope and pray my sight lasts as long as I do.

Peace and courage to everyone out there with similar and worse fears to face.

436444 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hopeful, 8, #1256 of 1890 🔗

Stay calm. You are not alone, although it may seem that way.i have ulcerative colitis and rely on regular prescriptions with equipment. So I’ve got the same fears.

However, I do think some people don’t see this evil. We do, and it may mean they will have to be shown just how evil their so called guardians are. The depths to which they’ll sink.

If that doesn’t work, then this world is darker than I could ever imagine and I don’t know if I’d want to be part of it.

436498 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Hopeful, 9, #1257 of 1890 🔗

It’s a very valid fear. I would hold out as long as possible as I think this “vaccine” is going to be an utter failure like every other coronavirus vaccine ever attempted. They will only be able to cover up the deaths and vaccine injuries for so long. There will also be court challenges. Some on this forum believe it’s a psy op to get people to comply “voluntarily” and I think there’s some merit to that idea. And one final point — the more of us who do not comply the more difficult it will be for them to implement any of these vaccine passports and no jab/no job threats. What percentage of us can be marginalized without any pushback? I don’t know the answer, but I’m hoping everyone who is able to resist does so for the sake of people like you who need medical treatment. There is power in numbers, not to mention we are on the right side of history.

436289 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 24, #1258 of 1890 🔗

Two months into the Biden presidency and there’s the first geopolitically illiterate, counterproductive act of pointless belligerence in a conflict zone no Democrat understands. Same day he fucks off the Saudis. All Trump achieved in the Middle East was peace deals between Israel and all the moderate Arab powers.

436316 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #1259 of 1890 🔗

Hope Bashar gives Biden a good bloody nose on his way down
Won’t be a pushover like Iraq you senile old paedo

436425 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #1260 of 1890 🔗

“All Trump achieved in the Middle East was peace deals between Israel and all the moderate Arab powers.”

I know. What a tyrannical, warmongering bastard. No wonder the world was so afraid of him and his peace deals.
As Boris said recently, under Biden (just bought a $47 million new home and don’t ask where he got the money), it’s a change from the doom and gloom of the Trump presidency.

436539 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #1261 of 1890 🔗

Moderate Arab powers? Best get a history book out o’t’library old son!

436291 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1262 of 1890 🔗

Lockdown deprives the vulnerable of that essential hug

436296 dommo, 4, #1263 of 1890 🔗

an interesting development?


more bernician bamboozlement…

436300 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1264 of 1890 🔗

Nuremberg Code on medical experimentation in full from the NIH website:


436302 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #1265 of 1890 🔗

Ferguson probably thinks that Nuremberg Code was a programming language the Nazis used for modelling.

436356 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to rockoman, 3, #1266 of 1890 🔗

It probably works better than his code……..

436392 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sampa, 1, #1267 of 1890 🔗

IBM developed it

436419 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Awkward Git, #1268 of 1890 🔗

Thanks for this. I have bookmarked it.

436304 Bart Simpson, 3, #1269 of 1890 🔗

Off topic: Can’t remember who asked me about the 1986 Edsa uprising that overthrew Marcos but here’s a recent webinar from my former lecturer about what happened during those 4 days in February 1986 and remembering it. Funny enough after watching it, I was thinking what should be done when this shit show is brought to an end either voluntarily (unlikely) or by force (very likely):


436306 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 48, #1270 of 1890 🔗

My wife has just been sworn at by a man in a local playground because our five-year-old son went too close to him. Just another example of human society crumbling around us.

She’s fine, by the way, albeit a little shocked.

436308 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mattghg, 33, #1271 of 1890 🔗

Jesus wept.

If he’s too scared just because a kid went too close to him he should go home and lock himself inside forever.

Then take a long hard look at himself in the mirror.

436319 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #1272 of 1890 🔗


436313 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mattghg, 11, #1273 of 1890 🔗

Wow, ‘brave’ bloke …

436333 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 6, #1274 of 1890 🔗

Indeed. “Stunning and Brave”

436317 ▶▶ Janette, replying to mattghg, 7, #1275 of 1890 🔗

How pathetic

436394 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mattghg, 2, #1276 of 1890 🔗

I would have knocked him out.

436395 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nottingham69, 7, #1277 of 1890 🔗

I would have coughed and blown my nose close to him. The shock would probably have sent him into cardiac arrest.

436396 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to mattghg, 3, #1278 of 1890 🔗

He needs a knuckle sandwich

436443 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to mattghg, 4, #1279 of 1890 🔗

Good job your son didn’t hand him a toy phone. The law of the universe is that when a kid hands you a toy phone you take it and answer.

436484 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to mattghg, 3, #1280 of 1890 🔗

What is this man doing outside??? Surely he needs to stay in his home so he can be safe in perpetuity. What a disgusting excuse for a human being.

436534 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to mattghg, 1, #1281 of 1890 🔗

If it had been someone’s dog, the man would have kissed its nose through a germ-ridden mask then touched the mask and then his grandkids.

436310 Lockdown Sceptic, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #1282 of 1890 🔗
436654 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, 3, #1283 of 1890 🔗

yes, just because she’s the owner of the vagina the dictator sticks his penis into why should that give her any say over our lives?

436314 isobar, 5, #1284 of 1890 🔗

Another thoughtful article from AIER.

How to beat the permanent covidocracy.


436324 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 6, #1285 of 1890 🔗

So the Zero Covid Black Mirror Season Finale includes anal swabs for kids.

436335 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to Mic67, 10, #1286 of 1890 🔗

These people need stringing up !!

436337 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mic67, 6, #1287 of 1890 🔗

I feel like William Shatner should be narrating life at the moment.

436343 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mic67, 7, #1288 of 1890 🔗

The pizza lovers spreading further, I see. Zoe needs to fuck off and take her peado handlers with her.

436355 ▶▶ jos, replying to Mic67, 7, #1289 of 1890 🔗

It’s the satanic paedophiles getting ascendancy- what a literal shitshow!

436376 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jos, 3, #1290 of 1890 🔗

Note how the, “kids in cages,” cover for the trafficking operation at the US-Mexico border has rapidly reappeared.

436388 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mic67, 4, #1291 of 1890 🔗

is this a tactic to show the covidians what bastards they are or is she actually an evil bastard?

436416 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1292 of 1890 🔗

She is leaving no stone unturned in seeking out that nasty viwus.

436433 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Mic67, 3, #1293 of 1890 🔗


436440 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Mic67, 4, #1294 of 1890 🔗

I think the devil is having fun now. Come on god where are you, we need you now!!!!

436576 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1295 of 1890 🔗

Let God speak through you, as the devil speaks through sadistic child-abusing fiends.

436574 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Mic67, #1296 of 1890 🔗

Talking through their anal swabs.

436650 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mic67, #1297 of 1890 🔗

yes, what could possibly go wrong?!

436329 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #1298 of 1890 🔗


Headline: Mediator recommends €990k award for teenager who sued over swine flu jab
But don’t worry – vaccines are safe.

436354 ▶▶ iane, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1299 of 1890 🔗

Well, they are indeed safe – for the manufacturers, since they have been protected from legal ramifications of side effects!

436399 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1300 of 1890 🔗

Yes vaccine damage can happen to anyone – it doesn’t always happen to other people

436477 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 2, #1301 of 1890 🔗

I’ve tried to make that point with respect to the Covid “vaccines.” With Covid, we know our risk based on our age. With the “vaccine” there is absolutely no way to know if you will end up dead or severely injured. Perhaps having serious allergies is one risk factor, but otherwise it’s impossible to know what your actual risk is from any vaccine and most people learn the hard way. Any rational person, particularly in the under 70 group, would clearly see that the risk from Covid is lower than the risk from an untested, experimental gene therapy.

436341 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 33, #1302 of 1890 🔗

Just a story showing some ups and downs. I cycled about twenty five miles to another town today and caught the train back. Hardly anyone wearing masks outside, although this is the Midlands countryside. Many on the train not wearing them either. Back in my town centre fairly large groups of friends enjoying a drink in the sun. Thumbs up from me. Stopping at some traffic lights a pedestrian shouted out me to get back, get back! Pure panic. Met my new neighbour back at my front door with a hearty handshake. Going to a friends tonight a couple of counties over. This is the best I can do under these conditions.

436383 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TimeIsNow, 13, #1303 of 1890 🔗

I have just been out for a pedal about and it wasn’t too bad, literally one or two maskholes. One guy had a fancy black n white one on, taking pictures of crap with a swanky camera. One pretentious poncy old git if ever I saw one.

I gave him a hard stare and called him a effin wanker.

436431 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1304 of 1890 🔗

Had to venture into town yesterday – so many people muzzled outdoors walking down the main drag. All effin wankers – should be called Effinwanker Town.

436478 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CGL, 2, #1305 of 1890 🔗

I just whizzed over the street and down the canal and I didn’t look….

436559 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1306 of 1890 🔗

Best plan

436736 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1307 of 1890 🔗

Hope you’ve dried out by now, 2-6 ..

436989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, #1308 of 1890 🔗

I thankfully managed to avoid the canal again…one day I know I won’t be so lucky. Anyway I know it isn’t that deep at the edges so unless I am going really fast i should be able to stand up and climb out.

However at the moment its like a log flume. I think if I did go in it would be curtains…

436573 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1309 of 1890 🔗

Two-six, you must make an effort to cast off that hampering chain of courtesy.

436342 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 67, #1310 of 1890 🔗

I am glad to be away from work now. Another customer, quite obviously peeved that his freedoms have not been restored to him (as promised), despite him and his wife getting the Pfizer injections. His rather surly response to me and others like me: “just get the jab”. He then went on to say what a wonderful woman the queen was for labelling people like me “selfish”. I muttered under my breath, “she is a disgrace” he fired back “what was that?” I repeated my comment. He went off in a huff. What horrible times we live in.

436350 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 34, #1311 of 1890 🔗

Fuck ’em.

436352 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 31, #1312 of 1890 🔗

Indeed. What upsets me is that we have gone out of our way for this couple. They have been regulars for 15 years. He knows our position, yet repays our kindness with this crap.

436371 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to kh1485, 12, #1313 of 1890 🔗

That really sucks K, sorry to hear that.

436393 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to kh1485, 11, #1314 of 1890 🔗

Sorry to hear this, but this has happened in civil wars and occupations throughout history, and right now we’re in a situation which combines elements of both. There hasn’t been anything like this in mainland Britain for decades – the miners’ strike is the nearest thing I can think of, and that only affected a minority of communities.

436404 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1315 of 1890 🔗

Yes, I have also been thinking of civil wars and there are elements of them here. This has to stop now.

436469 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to Tom in Scotland, 5, #1316 of 1890 🔗

I asked my dad what it was like living through the late seventies. Dominic Sandbrook’s history makes it sound really chaotic. Britain really was in a nosedive from 77’ to 80’. The unions were dictating policy, (disastrous), and weak conservative and labour govts weren’t really in control it seems. Power outages, three day weak, crippling rolling strikes.
My dad doesn’t have much to say about it. Candles and coats on the bed. High inflation.
Despite all this the duopoly in British politics stayed in tact. I’m not aware of panic at that time though causing a breakdown in community and societal relationships.
Just an observation.

436513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TimeIsNow, 5, #1317 of 1890 🔗

Your dad has one view – the other is that Unions protected working people and their destruction by MT led to the gig economy and all from which we now suffer.

436532 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to TimeIsNow, 4, #1318 of 1890 🔗

The big difference then was that we were still free.

436565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TimeIsNow, 14, #1319 of 1890 🔗

I lived through the 70s and it wasn’t ideal, but it was paradise compared to the hell of now.

436401 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #1320 of 1890 🔗

KH (blessings be upon you), there is a great philosophy, most efficaceous in every case. It really does cover every difficult situation, and it’s what AG just said. Let it be your mantra.

436429 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1321 of 1890 🔗

Blimey, I thought Binra was back then … 😉

436438 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #1322 of 1890 🔗

Groovy spiritual shit eh? This ‘beer’ thing is really good…

436406 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 6, #1323 of 1890 🔗

Can’t believe they’ve already taken the bait to blame non vaxxers. Have they just a little mouse turning a wheel in their cranium?

436432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1324 of 1890 🔗

Divide and conquer tactics. Remember we are all victims in this, whilst i don’t like how these people behave, ultimately the only way we can win is getting them on our side. Love your enemy.

436567 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1325 of 1890 🔗

Thinking of the fat, venomous old cow who dobbed me – I’ll love her when I love Satan.

436533 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1326 of 1890 🔗

One possibility is the government plans to allow a brief respite in the summer and then plunge us back into lockdown, using a lack of vaccine take-up as the reason. This takes the blame off them and transfers it to a minority group. It’s been done before by a certain Austrian gentleman with a small moustache, I think.

436545 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jody, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1327 of 1890 🔗

That’s EXACTLY what they’re going to do.

436413 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 12, #1328 of 1890 🔗

Thanks everyone. I fear though that this is going to get worse. Thankfully, we have a growing number of new sceptic customers who have been, along with people on here, a tower of strength. Thanks again.

436420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 16, #1329 of 1890 🔗

Here’s one for you

436441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1330 of 1890 🔗

That would look good on a tee shirt…

436417 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 8, #1331 of 1890 🔗

I was told a long time ago that you do not have freinds in business just people who haven’t fucked you over yet.

That guy was right.

436427 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kh1485, 8, #1332 of 1890 🔗

You’re truly a person of principles, willing to lose customers to stand up for your beliefs. Very few around! Now how to find you so me and the wife can come and eat from your place.

436351 ▶▶ iane, replying to kh1485, 8, #1333 of 1890 🔗

Of course, Queenie just does what she is told to do and say. Spitting Image could doubtless provide a perfect (and less costly) replacement!

436368 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to iane, 1, #1334 of 1890 🔗

Spitting Image (the original one) did a parody of Moody Blues’ “Go Now” shortly before Thatcher lost the PM gig and this included Brenda’s model playing an electric guitar with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth. Far cooler and more likely to attract tourism to the UK (not that there will be much of that going forward – I wonder what new excuse for maintaining the Royal parasites will be used in future?).

436377 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to kh1485, 14, #1335 of 1890 🔗

This was discussed on TR this morning, i.e. now that the majority of vulnerable people in the country have been vaccinated, why is the government still continuing with the lockdown? It’s certainly not because you or anyone else hasn’t had the jab yet.

As for the customer, he’s a rude and nasty piece of work, who still believes the government’s promises.

436391 ▶▶ Edmund Mortimer, replying to kh1485, 6, #1336 of 1890 🔗

I went off the Queen when she (as I see it) broke her coronation oath by not supporting the Union at the time of the Scottish independence referendum. If there was one duty for a ceremonial head of state, that was it: to speak out if the country she had sworn to defend was in danger of being broken apart.

436415 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Edmund Mortimer, 4, #1337 of 1890 🔗

I think there’s a bit of a difference. In the past, it has seemed that HMQ kept quiet (eg joining EEC, Scots referenda, Brexit) when perhaps she could have spoken out, but since her default status is to keep quiet, it was not so bad.

But this time, with the vaccine, she actually spoke out and commented instead of keeping quiet. I don’t think she did this malevolently, and probably believes it was for the best, but all the same it does not show her in a good light.

I’m assuming of course that a sin of commission is worse than a sin of ommission, which some may disagree with.

436423 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to kh1485, 12, #1338 of 1890 🔗

Just …. stay at home
Just …. anti-social distance
Just …. drown yourself in sanitiser
Just …. wear a pointless mask
Just …. take the experimental vaccine
Just …. OBEY!!!

436436 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to kh1485, 12, #1339 of 1890 🔗

It reminds me the political climate in the US, where the press were doing everything they could to create division and animosity between Team Red and Team Blue.

K, I have a great deal of admiration for you, but it seems as if you let a lot of this stuff get to you. I know you have every cause to be angry, but it is a little like drinking poison in order to harm your enemy.

Would it not be better to use these moments to practice calmness in the face of shitfuckery? I’ve been practicing this myself, as a path to build immunity to emotional manipulation. I see this as absolutely essential training in the face of a psychological onslaught. Besides, I do not need to be angry to be motivated to challenge injustice.

“We ought not to engage in quarrels and wrangling; we ought to betake ourselves far away and to disregard everything of this kind which thoughtless people do (indeed thoughtless people alone do it), and to set equal value upon the honours and the reproaches of the mob; we ought not to be hurt by the one or to be pleased by the other….

…freedom consists in raising one’s mind superior to injuries and becoming a person whose pleasures come from himself alone, in separating oneself from external circumstances that one may not have to lead a disturbed life in fear of the laughter and tongues of all men; for if any man can offer an insult, who is there who cannot?”

-Seneca, On the Firmness of the Wise Man

436456 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 20, #1340 of 1890 🔗

I appreciate the comment but that’s just not ‘me’. And what has happened to my family in recent years makes me put up a ferocious fight. Perhaps my posts make me sound like some screaming banshee – I’m not. I just put up a spirited defence of what I know to be right. Trying to coerce others to take a drug they do not want is nothing short of evil. These people are just bullies. The other thing is, although being calm is great in theory, in practice it is sometimes not achievable. But I appreciate the sentiments underpinning your post.

436471 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to kh1485, 14, #1341 of 1890 🔗

I’m just like you Kate. It’s the anger that keeps me going. One of my fears during this last year has been that I will become less angry, which in my view would make me increasingly accepting of what’s going on. I won’t be “thankful” that I can now eat indoors but have to wear a mask when not at my table. I won’t be “thankful” that I’m now “allowed” to have 10 people inside my home. I won’t ever settle for anything less than true normal. And while I was more forgiving of people’s anxiety through the first months of this insanity, I have zero empathy left for these hysterics. My own mother told me she doesn’t think I’m handling this situation very well — yes, that’s right, because no human should be handling inhumane, dystopian existence very well. So, like you, I can appreciate others who are able to remain calm and still be empathetic to the zealots, but that’s just not me.

436482 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 10, #1342 of 1890 🔗

Thanks Lisa and agree totally. No disrespect to Granny Slayer but I just can’t be someone I’m not. I’d be a useless poker player! I also have to call this out for the evil it is. And, expressing myself in a forthright way is a good way to get the anger out of my system.

436526 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1343 of 1890 🔗

For me it comes down to the Serenity Prayer: ‘God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference.’

Acceptance is not the same as agreement or complicity; for example we all have to accept death in its proper season, but not by murder or negligence.

436599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1344 of 1890 🔗

I know you’re right. Perhaps it’s my need for control, but I just find it impossible to accept things I cannot change. Like Kate, I have no poker face and have always spoken out against injustice even when it’s been to my detriment. What has helped me is gratitude — I took lots for granted before and I know how fortunate I am. So I try to stay thankful for the people and things around me that have insulated me from the worst of the insanity. I have moments of peace and serenity, and that’s probably as good as it’s going to get for the time being. I truly admire those of you who are sceptical but better able to be more calm and accepting!

436661 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1345 of 1890 🔗

I think accepting what you cannot change is letting go of the need to control via the will. It doesn’t mean you don’t want things to change, or that you just put up with things, but you realise that some things can’t be forced. The Taoists have a word for this, it’s called wu-wei which means effortless striving, basically working with something rather than against it to change it. A classic example is water dripping on a rock, which gradually wears it away without force.

436570 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #1346 of 1890 🔗

You’re doing right, kh, and I can’t admire you enough.
I’ll be along to say it in person as soon as they let us out of the gulag.

436645 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 1, #1347 of 1890 🔗

I’m looking forward to meeting some of you finally when I get to the gulag

436749 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to kh1485, 1, #1348 of 1890 🔗

I don’t disagree with you at all, either defending morality or countering evil. Nor do you come across as a banshee! And yes, it’s difficult to remain calm. Of course I struggle with it too, I don’t claim to be a Zen master.

I thought it might be good to share something that I found helpful, though it does take practice, because I’m concerned that you may be experiencing too much stress, which is not good for your health or your mental well being. Lord knows it’s a test for all of us in one way or another.

Take care of yourself K, and keep fighting the good fight, you’re an inspiration.

436461 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 4, #1349 of 1890 🔗

Great advice

436562 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 5, #1350 of 1890 🔗

And what horrible people we live among.
Mind, there are loads of nice ones too. You’ll find them outside, in the open air, walking their dogs, playing with their children, etc.
Why they go into your premises, kh, I just can’t imagine. I suppose they enjoy feeling aggrieved, the venomous, warped little moral dwarfs that they are.
As for Mrs Queen, who doesn’t care if her subjects are terrorised, crushed, imprisoned and bullied but does care if they refuse their snake oil – it’s time she went on the historical scrapheap.

436591 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #1351 of 1890 🔗

Christ on a bike!!!! That customer really needs to get into his head that there’s such a thing as free choice and free will

436629 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 2, #1352 of 1890 🔗

better to be selfish like you than a genocidal nazi like her

436357 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 36, #1353 of 1890 🔗

Reasons to give for not getting the jab:

‘I want my dose to go to someone more needy.’
‘I’m waiting for the human trials to end.’
‘I prefer to wait for one that’s 100% effective.’
‘Covid levels are too high, so I can’t leave the house.’
‘I’m waiting to see which vaccine lets you travel.’
‘I might as well wait until autumn because the one they have now won’t be any good by then.’

436369 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Cranmer, 19, #1354 of 1890 🔗

Im vegan
Its against my religion
I’m pregnant and no evidence to support it won’t affect my baby
I want children in the future, no evidence to support it won’t affect my fertility

436412 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Ganjan21, 4, #1355 of 1890 🔗

I wish I was young enough to give the last two excuses as they will probably be seen as more valid. I am actually vegan but can see this as being easily dismissed.

436434 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to fiery, 6, #1356 of 1890 🔗

Time to become a Jehovah’s Witness?

436619 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to kh1485, 1, #1357 of 1890 🔗

yeh, if that’s what it takes

436387 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to Cranmer, 16, #1358 of 1890 🔗

“I’m part of the control group. You believe in the scientific method, right?”

436462 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Noumenon, 9, #1359 of 1890 🔗

That’s been my position. If I’m to be part of a human trial, I choose to be in the control group. Still doing my duty and am sacrificing for others by letting someone more deserving have my doses.

436652 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1360 of 1890 🔗

A control group is exactly what they don’t want!

436455 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Cranmer, 14, #1361 of 1890 🔗

A few more reasons,
Fuck off I don’t want to die
If you poke me I’ll have to stab you back in revenge.

436464 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cranmer, 13, #1362 of 1890 🔗

“I’m not taking an experimental gene therapy that is still undergoing clinical trials with unknown side effects and which does not prevent viral transmission”. There, that should do it.

436474 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Cranmer, 21, #1363 of 1890 🔗

My (main) reason for not having one is because the government wants me to have one.

436871 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1364 of 1890 🔗

Mine, now, us that the Queen is bleating at me.
Eff off, queenie. I might even have considered the snake oil, for the sake of domestic peace, until you opened your stupid gob.
Not now.

436717 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1365 of 1890 🔗

“Do I look that fucking stupid ?”

436382 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 14, #1366 of 1890 🔗


436454 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Noumenon, 6, #1367 of 1890 🔗

4 masks, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week should do it. That and the “vaccine.”

436472 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1368 of 1890 🔗

But pull those bed sheets tight over your head at night, just to be sure.

436389 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 16, #1369 of 1890 🔗

Sherelle Jacobs on the superb Warroom show, hosted by Stephen K Bannon, suggested our lousy government were embarking on a strategy of zero CCP Virus on the sly. I feel she is right.

436426 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to nottingham69, 5, #1370 of 1890 🔗

That’s definitely Raheem’s doing that she’s on. Raheem has been on point on lots of things recently and frankly he has an eloquence that is surprising for a guy in his thirties.

436445 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mhcp, 1, #1371 of 1890 🔗

He is growing on me and is now getting more assertive, standing up to Steve’s interjections. That was a top interview with Sherelle.

436403 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 37, #1372 of 1890 🔗

Following my disheartening walk the other day I have been taking someone else’s advice on here and going on routes where I am unlikely to meet depressing people.

However this afternoon I had to laugh. I was walking along a 2m wide path and coming towards me up ahead was some morbidly obese old woman shuffling along with shopping bags. The look of sheer horror on her face when she saw me was a picture. Quite why I have no idea. Anyway, she stopped and started frantically rummaging around in her bag like mad as I got closer and closer. It was like a race against time for her. I wondered what an earth she was doing. Then a look of relief came over her as she triumphantly pulled out a mask, quickly put it on as I walked past, then after I had gone past, she promptly took it back off again.


436410 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to ThomasT, 26, #1373 of 1890 🔗

This is a mental health pandemic.

436450 ▶▶ Janette, replying to ThomasT, 12, #1374 of 1890 🔗

My god! Mind you have to give it to the government, they have excelled with their brainwashing!

436468 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to ThomasT, 15, #1375 of 1890 🔗

I had a similar experience the other day. A woman pressed herself against the wall as I walked down a narrowish pavement. I smiled as I walked past her but I don’t know if she smiled back because she was masked up. Did she really expect me to walk onto the road? And would the queen call me selfish for not doing so? What a weird world it has become.

436487 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ThomasT, 11, #1376 of 1890 🔗

I walked past a bloke the other day with a dog, he leaned his head away from me and the rest of his body so he was bend over sideways and moved away with his dog straining at the lead increasing the distance between me and him, arm outstretched. It really was very weird, he was trying to swerve his head but not let on that he was swerving….mental.

436516 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1377 of 1890 🔗

You don’t look THAT scary! 🙂

436408 Noumenon, replying to Noumenon, 29, #1378 of 1890 🔗

We live in a world where being kind and courteous is worthy of nothing, it isn’t even an aspiration, but the ‘signal’ of taking an experimental vaccine makes you a saint. Welcome to hell folks, the Devil’s on his throne!

436418 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Noumenon, 17, #1379 of 1890 🔗

Yes, it’s now perfectly acceptable to shout at someone in the street for the imaginary crime of passing too close – as long as you’ve had the vaccine that is, because that makes you better than anyone else.

436439 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #1380 of 1890 🔗

We’ve slipped so far in the last 40 years that I can only see that people’s manners and ability to relate will get worse. The hysteria around this is in large part a reaction to the social breakdown that was there already, people just unconsciously (and consciously in some cases) feel that by overreacting to this they might claw something back. The pandemic of lonliness, isolation and social awkwardness is set to accelerate. People aren’t there for eachother because they won’t take the ‘risk’ to be there for them. No amount of controlling risk will help, it just serves to create an executive that will identify more excuses and reasons not allowing meaningful social interactions.

436479 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1381 of 1890 🔗

It’s exactly what Charles Walker was saying in the unherd interview – a must-listen for anyone that hasn’t yet.

436514 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to A. Contrarian, #1382 of 1890 🔗

It is a brilliant interview – by both Walker and Blunkett

436561 ▶▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Noumenon, #1383 of 1890 🔗

Indeed, now on the back of this need for “ social distance” WhatsApp and Zoom have seriously impacted on conversation – I crave the chats and social banter of the past – I can’t even talk to the postman now he’s masked up.

436470 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Noumenon, 6, #1384 of 1890 🔗

Not only that, being kind and courteous marks you out as a criminal worthy of investigation by the police.

436552 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Noumenon, #1385 of 1890 🔗

How true, but sheep can’t see sh*t.

436422 The Diplomat, replying to The Diplomat, 25, #1386 of 1890 🔗

Has van Tam just moved the goalposts? 40 million more jabs before Tiers 1 to 9 have both doses of the vaccine…not safe to more out of restrictions. Telling us not to “wreck the progress”…again any shortcoming with the measures implemented are our fault and not the ineffectiveness of the measures.!

436430 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to The Diplomat, 9, #1387 of 1890 🔗

I wonder does he have geared shares in a vaccine company or subsidiary. He has to meet a quota then he hits paydirt

436457 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 6, #1388 of 1890 🔗

His network in Pharma will guarantee the money rolls in with or without shares.

He’ll never be PM so watch him roll into the private sector in the next few years. Either that or jail, he’s bet the house that’s for sure.

436458 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to mhcp, 9, #1389 of 1890 🔗

Definitely something like that IMO. I don’t believe in the over-arching conspiracy theory that it’s all a grand plan by the WEF etc, but I do believe there are a lot of very dodgy fingers in some very gamey pies at very high levels.

436522 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1390 of 1890 🔗

It’s undeniable that very many people in positions of influence have a material interest in keeping the panic going for as long as possible.

436608 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mattghg, 4, #1391 of 1890 🔗

Shares in companies that make f***ing masks, that sort of thing.

436611 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cranmer, 8, #1392 of 1890 🔗

I think we can be certain that SOMETHING is going on, there is some deliberate, purposeful, hidden agenda, although the details can only really be speculation. We can be certain that a pandemic has been faked, using lies and brainwashing techniques,in order to usher in a spectacularly authoritarian regime which apparently has global reach. Even without all the facts available to us, the stench of evil is unmistakeable, impossible to see how there couldn’t be a mountain of corpses at the end of all this…evil will have to play itself out in the usual way. Personally, I doubt the WEF, or Klaus Schwab are the chief architects or drivers of it, nor even Bill Gates. They are an expression of it, they have picked up some reflection of it, from the circles and networks they move in. They give us some kind of hint of what the enemy looks like. The only individual I could pinpoint as the driving force is Satan himself.

436626 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JaneHarry, 8, #1393 of 1890 🔗

Yes. I’ve never had much time for the dualistic concept of the universe, but for the first time in my life these past few months I’ve felt palpable evil stalking the land. It’s not the stuff of Rwanda or Pol Pot or Oradour-sur-Glane – yet – but there’s a whiff of sulphur in the distance that has the stench of the Pit about it.

436865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1394 of 1890 🔗

I absolutely agree.
Not every generation is faced with naked evil stalking in its midst, but our generation is.
And what do most of them do? Jockey for position on the road to Hell, with church leaders in the vanguard.
Well, we ain’t going there.

436460 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to mhcp, 9, #1395 of 1890 🔗

Astra zeneca stock is down 17pct over the last 6 months, 4 pct over the last year. Despite all the hype, they are not having a good pandemic.

So the vaccine salespeople must try harder.

436467 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to merlin, 3, #1396 of 1890 🔗

The BBC.

436496 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to merlin, 2, #1397 of 1890 🔗

Simple explanation -the AZ is sold at cost.

436508 ▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1398 of 1890 🔗

That was known from day 1 , so it’s not the explanation. Also the boosters are not going to be at cost.

436536 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1399 of 1890 🔗

Define “cost”. What head office and other overheads have been included in the selling price? Declaration of interest – I am an accountant.

436681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1400 of 1890 🔗

There’s the rub. ‘Cost’ can mean a lot of things, and I’m not even an accountant.

436689 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to merlin, #1401 of 1890 🔗

No. It’s because they announced the acquisition of US rare disease company Alexion for a part stock transaction in December.

This will dilute existing shareholders, result in shorting from M&A arbitrage players (until the deal closes) and several of their major investors are less than impressed with the deal.

It’s not to do with the vaccine.

436677 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 3, #1402 of 1890 🔗

Sorry to use such a clunky way of communicating this article, but Tom Jefferson’s comment piece in the BMJ in 2017 says it all :

Revolving doors are used to facilitate entry or exit into a building. The trick with using these doors is always to get your timing right. Too fast or too slow and you get stuck. The analogy seems apposite for a brace of recent announcements of important pharmaceutical industry figures taking over parts of UK operations in key aspects of healthcare planning and delivery. … Jonathan Van Tam has been appointed Deputy Chief Medical Officer responsible for emergency preparedness and pandemic planning. This is a similarly senior position which holds great power and will potentially involve committing huge quantities of taxpayers’ money to projects preparing for future emergencies, which may or may not come about. It is also a very delicate role as the amount of lobbying and corporate pressure applied on governments before the 2009 influenza pandemic shows. What are we to make of all this? The lowering of regulatory and HTA standards is in full swing and its main driver is the pharmaceutical industry. The general rhetoric of rushing drugs and devices through to needy patients willing to accept substantial risk rests on very thin evidence of benefit and unclear public support. Improving the quality of evidence is desperately needed as shown by the scores of examples of clinical trials that have been abandoned or distorted that have come to light in the last decade. Pandemic planning also requires some rethinking as the millions of pounds spent on a dubious pandemic with equally dubious fixes has shown. The close space of time of these “revolving doors” makes me wonder whether the government has objectively and properly overseen the decision making which has led to such important public positions being filled by senior industry figures. Can one walk away from leading industry, or rubbing shoulders with it, and perform an important public health function with impartiality? HM Government seems to think so, but if you are unsure (as I am) you may be given pause for thought. A career spent working in pharma usually means a commensurate share and farewell package. ….. Professor Van Tam’s track record as an ex-employee of Roche, Aventis Pasteur MSD and SmithKline Beecham (now GSK) has been excluded from the official DH press release, which is interesting, but hardly confidence building. He frequently attends events organised by the European Scientific Working Group on Influenza (ESWI), a well known industry-funded lobbying group. …. Van Tam has been a consistent supporter of pharmacological measures to address influenza and as head of the Pandemic Influenza Office at the UK Health Protection Agency in 2004-2007 bears responsibility for decisions which have been heavily criticised by the Public Accounts Committee. …. In my view it is time that the government and the public took a close look at what is going on in the upper echelons of healthcare planning and delivery in this country and considered imposing a substantial time moratorium on hiring workers with close ties to industry …. “

[See BMJ, December 6, 2017] – Look up the full prescient piece from one of those in the know.

436435 ▶▶ merlin, replying to The Diplomat, 12, #1403 of 1890 🔗

Backed up by wancock who says it’s all on us. We are dealing with pure evil.

436446 ▶▶ langers, replying to The Diplomat, 16, #1404 of 1890 🔗

I was calm before I watched that press briefing. I found myself shouting swearwords at the television.
Matt ‘incredibly important’ Han-cockwomble really boils my piss.

436447 ▶▶ Janette, replying to The Diplomat, 22, #1405 of 1890 🔗

Why the hell are they pushing this damn vaccine when most people have over 99% chance of recovery from Covid assuming it exists. Definitely something very sinister going on!

436451 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to The Diplomat, 16, #1406 of 1890 🔗

I hope they do move the goal posts again, because sooner or later the people will just say, enough is enough, many people I know who I tried to convince this is a scam have been messaging me this week saying, see nothing to worry about all be over in a few months. I hope they are right and that it was all just incompetence, but seeing as I have more than two brain cells, (well last time I had an MRI scan there was) I know this is only the beginning.

436481 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Andrew K, 11, #1407 of 1890 🔗

I think if they don’t think enough is enough after 12 months, then it’s never going to happen. Anyone who is not horrified by the idea of a few more months of this will just accept every extension. It’s not a big leap to ‘just another year’.

436512 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to The Diplomat, 14, #1408 of 1890 🔗

They really need to wind these things up now. Spewing forth the same self-important bilge multiple times a week, week after week after week… What is the effing point? It smacks of desperation to me, desperation to keep the whole sh*tshow going so Hancock et al can still prance and preen about the place pretending they’re saving the world, desperation to keep the sheep in line because it’s getting sunny and warm and they can feel it all starting to break down.

Van Tam’s comments don’t surprise me. Even the most ovine of the sheeple must surely have noticed how it works by now? The more that people comply, above all expectations (and how I’ve come to hate that word – compliant) the more measures and restrictions are shoved upon us. So it makes sense that when vaccine uptake turns out to be higher than expected, it’s now not high enough and we must jab ever more and more people before normal life can resume.

Sick to the back teeth of it all doesn’t even come close.

436448 Sam Vimes, 21, #1409 of 1890 🔗

The Duke has just been whisked into hospital, as a precaution. This has happened before. So, do you really think they have given THE QUEEN an untested experimental drug that could possibly kill? Have they fudge.

436453 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 30, #1410 of 1890 🔗

Probably mentioned already on here today, but I saw a vile Tweet from Laurence Fox praising the Queen’s pathetic shilling for Big Pharma.

Yet another public figure supposedly on our side (Fox that is, not the Queen) who has been sucked into the Vaccine Macht Frei black hole.

Still, I am confident that anyone who has refused the vaccine will not be reversing their decision on the say so of the monarch. The harder they push, the worse the voluntary uptake will get.

Message to the Government: you’ll need to use extreme coercion and violence to get the uptake close to the desired 100%, and you know it.

436511 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Richard O, 10, #1411 of 1890 🔗

Really? Well, there Reclaim goes, down the plug hole. Heritage seems to be the only political party left worth considering supporting.

436600 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to mattghg, 3, #1412 of 1890 🔗

I think we need to forget about political parties now. we’re so past that.

436523 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, 19, #1413 of 1890 🔗

My 34 year old daughter has been pressed by her surgery to have the vaccine because she is “vulnerable” (she isn’t). When challenged the doctor said she couldn’t explain why her name was on the list, but thought it was a good idea to have the vaccine anyway!!!

Here’s the kicker: my daughter has been having IVF, which will be all over her notes.

Several questions arise, starting with “How did that person ever manage to qualify as a doctor?”

I never thought I’d live to be a witness to such crimes against humanity.

436459 watersider, replying to watersider, 26, #1414 of 1890 🔗


I’ve served my 12 months house arrest
For an unknown crime I can’t contest,
I want my freedom – not parole
With recompense for what they stole;
Lost time can never be bought back
From any megalomaniac
Who only sees in monochrome
With Covid De-range-ment Syndrome.

With shuttered houses on each street
The muzzled sheep who will not bleat,
As empty trains go belting past
How can this manmade panic last;
It will last ’till we wake from sleep
From out our bunkers we all creep,
To recognise that this Magettte
On which is based the Great Reset.

The Pope had his innoculation
Of baby parts – no reservation,
Perhaps ’till change his DNA
To talk some sense to Joe Bidet;
When everyone has a vaccine
Any side effects were ‘unforeseen’
Big Pharma all indemnified
It’s tough luck if your granny died.

Do not think ‘they’ will set you free
Dictators rule by their decree,
You will “Own nothing and be glad”
But not resist against Jihad;
The Green New Deal will set you free
You can exist up in a tree,
No going back to the life you knew
God deplatformed in the latestbCoup.

436486 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to watersider, #1415 of 1890 🔗


436463 isobar, 15, #1416 of 1890 🔗

Kelly’s list of ‘Conservative Pledges’ was a salutary reminder to me of the liberties we used to enjoy before 23rd March 2020 and indeed took for granted, given the sacrifices made in WWII to prevent the imposition of a totalitarian state from afar.

That was of course before the fat pig dictator flushed them down the toilet, not just once, but repeatedly and turned us into the Police State that we are now and may never come out of.

If you would like at any time to remind your MP, or anyone else for that matter,

”In WWII there were 384,000 soldiers killed in combat, but a higher civilian death toll ( 70,000 , as opposed to 2,000 in WWI), largely due to German bombing raids during the Blitz: 40,000 civilians died in the seven-month period between September 1940 and May 1941, almost half of them in London”

And now, we have to wait on our Government’s approval to sit on a bench with another to have a cup of coffee.

Puts it into perspective. A lot of lives seemingly lost in vain.

The Fallen

436476 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 15, #1417 of 1890 🔗

When Brenda said to think of others and take the jab, the “others” she meant were the 1%.

436485 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ewan Duffy, 19, #1418 of 1890 🔗

Damn right. We are dealing with a vicious enemy here who wants to destroy humanity, and which has recruited millions of our fellow citizens as infantry in this genocidal war. I do not give two shits about any of them.

Regurgitating the “it’s not to protect you, it’s to protect others” garbage they used for the masks was so predictable. We saw it coming a mile off. I didn’t work with me for masks, and it won’t work for the vaccine.

436569 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 12, #1419 of 1890 🔗

I knew from the beginning that masks were the gateway drug to the “vaccine.” So predictable; the “wear a mask to protect others” was inevitably going to be the rationale for talking people into taking the snake oil. My only surprise is how quickly it has happened.

436515 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #1420 of 1890 🔗

Also to say ‘think of others not yourselves’ after a year of serfdom was twisted. Read the room Madge ffs.

436607 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1421 of 1890 🔗

They bring Brenda out when they are in trouble. It’s a good sign.

436669 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1422 of 1890 🔗

I never thought I’d do this, but today I’ve laid down a nice claret for when the old bitch dies.

436488 Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, 59, #1423 of 1890 🔗

A lovely sunny morning down at the allotment , followed by a stroll to the beach front and get a coffee from the little cafe barely hanging on by its fingernails- then I saw this new notice on their noticeboard:

The oldies round here love their masks , but today they were all barefaced in the queue
Maybe they just need permission? Whatever the reason it was good to see

436493 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Barbara Baker, 18, #1424 of 1890 🔗

More of those signs would probably go a long way to curing some folk of their mask fetish.

436551 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Barbara Baker, 8, #1425 of 1890 🔗

Congrats to you and the café.

436584 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Barbara Baker, 6, #1426 of 1890 🔗

That sign should be circulated more widely.

436616 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Barbara Baker, 1, #1427 of 1890 🔗

Good to see. I haven’t seen a sign like that since last summer – I saw a little shop in Norfolk that had something like ‘mask requirements are not enforced here.’ Sadly I expect they had to take that down.

436668 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Barbara Baker, 1, #1428 of 1890 🔗

Marvelous. Where is that?

436813 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Barbara Baker, 2, #1429 of 1890 🔗

I still cling to some hope that the majority of mask wearers are doing so simply because they are too timid to draw attention to themselves by not wearing one. It’s just easier than risking confrontation or embarrassment. But when given some kind of authority or reason to dispense with them, such as that cafe noticeboard, they will willingly do so. And then, when enough people in a crowd are seen to be maskless, it becomes easier for others to follow suit than to be in a minority: a bit like being the only fully clothed person in a nudist camp. Not sure that’s such a good comparison to make but it’ll have to do.

436489 Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 45, #1430 of 1890 🔗

Went to the petrol station to fill up on fuel on the way home from work. Bumped into a friend on the forecourt and shared a laugh outside the door about my refusal to muzzle up. The cashier obviously clocked it and when I went inside to pay, he said “you don’t have a mask”. I said, “that’s right, I don’t wear them. They are a symbol of subservience, and it’s not normal behaviour to wear them”. He laughed. And so did I.

436527 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Nymeria, 8, #1431 of 1890 🔗

Good on you, but how many people understand a word like “subservience” in a routine conversation?

436550 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Waldorf, 7, #1432 of 1890 🔗

It doesn’t matter if they understand it. It just let’s them know you mean business

436571 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1433 of 1890 🔗

Propaganda involves a certain dumbing down and the other side of this is very good at raw emotion and panicking the herd by non-appeals to intelligence. The old saying about never going bankrupt by under-estimating the intelligence of the public applies. I would have used “submission” – more common and has overtones of sexual bondage.

436548 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nymeria, 12, #1434 of 1890 🔗

That’s good, really good. So much better than mumbling ‘exempt’. Though even that is infinitely better than knickering your face.

436615 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Nymeria, #1435 of 1890 🔗

You could have said I have one (mask), but I forgot! or I have one (mask), but it’s in the car! or …… ……..

436665 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1436 of 1890 🔗


436491 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 24, #1437 of 1890 🔗

Just been to the Ashford, Kent hospital with MIL who needs a hip operation.

The consultant said that three weeks ago they had 45 “covid patients” in the ICU. Today they have 8.

Jolly clever vaccine that. Starts working before you’re even jabbed!

436604 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1438 of 1890 🔗

Did he say what happened to the “Covid patients”? Discharged presumably cured, died or some other fate?

436492 Drew63, replying to Drew63, 52, #1439 of 1890 🔗

This covid-19 has really brought out the worst in the British. And I say that as someone who generally has a great deal of affection and admiration for us as a nation and people.

Let’s start with this. It’s brought out some of the worst aspects of British society. Not just the Jobsworths (who snap at you in the shops for not wearing a mask properly), or the Curtain Twitchers – who e-mail the police if they think their neighbours have too many visitors. It goes much deeper than that.

It probably starts with the godawful British tabloid press. Whose pandering and clickbait fear mongering has reduced their audience to quivering cretins. Right or left, Guardian or Telegraph, Daily Mail or Metro – there was precisely zero journalistic perspective and restraint. They seemed to be competing with one another to come up with the most obscure scariest covid stories to drive their readers into abject terror. Joseph Goebbels is looking up in envy.

Next up is the utter failure of the political establishment. Labour failed in its first responsibility, that of providing a responsible check on Government over-reach. And God help the Conservatives, whose ranks were populated by modest little people, with much to be modest about.

The Church? Don’t make me laugh. Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon Bonaparte, and Phillip of Spain couldn’t stop the Church of England from holding Eucharist services. But I guess Jonathan Van Tam and Neil Ferguson could.

Speaking of which… British boffins have long history of giving disastrously bad projections to Government. B.H. Liddell-Hart, the otherwise well-respected military historian, confidently projected (in 1938) 600,000 civilian fatalities in the first five months of Luftwaffe bombing. This was at a time when no Luftwaffe plane could make a return sortie to Britain. So: Once again British Academia proved both their self-importance, and their incompetence, with stunningly ill-informed projections of doom.

Let’s not forget Britain’s toxic Unions. In this case the Teachers, who have forced our children and young adults to sacrifice a year’s education. (While collecting full pay for themselves, natch.) Or the fatal laziness of big chunk of Britain’s working class, who silently accepted Furlough pay on the ill-advised assumption that their jobs would still be there whenever they were allowed to go back to work.

We can’t forget the class hatreds and envies, that have pitted the middle-classes in their detached, gardened houses with the residents of tower blocks. The urbanites against the rural. (Who can forget the self-righteous fury of people protesting against city people who had come to walk in the fresh air of the pennines or the Peak District?)

No one comes out of this looking good.

436503 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to Drew63, 6, #1440 of 1890 🔗

A masterly summary.

436519 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Drew63, 13, #1441 of 1890 🔗

I have never had an exalted view of the British so I have not been disappointed. Some other nations have been (a bit more) rebellious, others a bit more abject and cringing to authority. But the Brits have been pretty bad.
The most resistance to Covid BS seems to be in places like India. Not because of virtue but they have real diseases there and Covid does not register when you are at the margins of survival. Covid is very much like the meme a “First World Problem”.

436575 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Waldorf, 8, #1442 of 1890 🔗

I agree, ‘covid’ is a hypochondriacal, attention-seeking, skiving, pampered, doesn’t-know-they’re-born, self-cosseting tosspot’s wet dream – Lukashenko called it right: stop wallowing in self-pity in your ICU bed and get back out into the fields!

436583 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Waldorf, 4, #1443 of 1890 🔗

True, also the orient has a more fatalistic view of life unlike the west where we think we can control everything, even a tiny virus, because we have lost all sense of our own place in the universe.

436525 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Drew63, 55, #1444 of 1890 🔗

You know what, though… it’s also brought out the bloody BEST. Charles Walker may be just one MP but he’s given heartfelt speeches that have moved me to tears. Mike Yeadon, Emma Kenny, Clare Craig, Ellen Townsend, John Lee, Jonathan Sumption have all relentlessly spoken up and continued to do so in the face of horrific abuse. The Us For Them people who have campaigned tirelessly for children. TalkRado, especially JHB, who have given platforms to those brave enough to speak out. Kirstie Brimelow and Adam Wagner who have given endless hours of their time (often for free) helping the public know and defend their rights. Vernon Coleman, who’s been in this fight for longer than some of us have been alive. The philosophers and psychologists and data analysts and economists who’ve written papers and crunched figures and stayed up through the night completing analysis and gathering evidence simply because they KNOW what’s happening is unfair. The friends who’ve “broken rules” and faced fines and arrests to make sure lived ones aren’t isolated and lonely. The mothers and fathers who’ve hounded the schools to protect their children’s rights. The RETIRED NHS staff who’ve spoken out. The CURRENT NHS staff who’ve risked their livelihoods by speaking out. The instagrammers who’ve lost followers and friends in their pursuit of the truth, the campaigners who’ve organised marches, the POLICE who’ve resigned and/or spoken out. And everyone on this site, all the ATL and BTL participants who’ve helped me hold on to my sanity and sometimes my will to live. I’ve never felt prouder of my country or more hopeful for the human race. I don’t know how much longer this goes on for but I know there’s a beautiful world to rejoin at the end and that we are a species worth fighting for. Thank you all!

436563 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 11, #1445 of 1890 🔗

I’ll drink to that… plus people that I never thought I’d agree with on any subject before. Examples include Peter Hitchens, Ross Clark and others at the Spectator, our very own Toby Young, Ivor Cummins and many, many others.

Power to us all……!

436579 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Alan P, 5, #1446 of 1890 🔗

why wouldn’t you have agreed with Ivor Cummins? I’d never even heard of him before this shitshow, nor of Dr John Lee, Mike Yeadon, or Dr Vernon Coleman

436662 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #1447 of 1890 🔗

I thought he was a novelty musical act until now.

436795 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AidanR, 3, #1448 of 1890 🔗

His name makes him sound like a pornstar.

436613 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1449 of 1890 🔗

Good point, let’s try to stay positive. I’ve even started having a grudging admiration for Russell Brand, who previously I thought was a total nob!

436678 ▶▶▶ houdini, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1450 of 1890 🔗

Well said

436699 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #1451 of 1890 🔗

Thank you all!

It’s cool, CNC. My invoice is in the post …

436733 ▶▶▶ Drew63, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #1452 of 1890 🔗

Well, maybe….

But leaving aside a dozen or so exception (Lord Sumption, et al), isn’t it worth taking stock of what we’ve lost?

Since at least the Magna Carta, England has been a lodestar in the notion of personal liberty . That no matter however powerful the State, or the Sovereign, or the Government, that there were certain inalienable rights that could not be taken away or abridged.

That quaint, nine-hundred year old notion, is pretty much the cornerstone of any present-day ideal of life as a free citizen in a free society. It shaped the formation of the United States some five hundred years later. It shaped the idea of Liberty in Revolutionary France. It shaped the ideals of freedom in the former British colonies. And it became an ideal everywhere from Latin America to southwest Asia.

Turns out it’s all meaningless. Not worth a bucket of warm spit if a disease that’s slightly more lethal to 85 year olds than common influenza comes along.

I never kidded myself that “freedom” was unlimited. Never dreamt I could drive around, shooting a rifle out the window of my pickup truck while chugging single-malt whisky from a paper cup.

No. My notions of “freedom” extended to such radical ideas as buying shirts from a high-street shop. Having a pint of beer in a crowded pub. Having a spirited argument at a dinner party with a dozen or so slightly intoxicated people I didn’t know very well. Getting my hair cut in a barber shop.

I’d note: All of those things could be done at the height of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. Probably in Pol Pot’s Kampuchea or Kim Il Sung’s Korea into the bargain.

It’s just in Boris Johnson’s Britain we can’t do those things.

So, you’ll excuse me before I start getting too excited about how well Britain has been handling things.

437050 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #1453 of 1890 🔗

There are positives and they are well worth pointing out. Too many seem to wallow in negativity and despondency. They would call it reality but, bollocks to that. Hold on to the good, it`s the way forward.

436649 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Drew63, 6, #1454 of 1890 🔗

The main revelation has been to show the utter crap of key UK myths about its democratic culture, unwritten ‘constitution’ (i.e non-existent) and wonderful monarchy. It also illustrated that the inherent ‘pluckiness’ of the British plebs could be blown to smithereens with a spoof scary tale.

436658 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to RickH, 4, #1455 of 1890 🔗

Completely agree. I doubt my countrymen and my country as a whole will ever regain my respect.

436787 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to AidanR, 8, #1456 of 1890 🔗

The bovine stupidity and spitefulness of so many of my countrymen and women (some of whom were friends) has been one of the bitterest pills to swallow over the past year. Plus the fact that many people have unwittingly exposed their spectacular insensitivity to the plight of anyone less fortunate than themselves.
I started the day feeling irritated by the following letter in the Telegraph :

SIR – I cannot be the only person who has enjoyed lockdown. I have read so many books, baked, painted my Easter cards, gardened in the sunshine and enjoyed the cricket back on television.
Wendy May

Mrs. F then produced a piece, also from the Telegraph , from a few weeks ago, in which Selina Scott was entertaining us with a summary of her lockdown weekends:

“I feel lucky to have a 200 acre farm in North Yorkshire that I can walk around without picking up Covid. … I’ll be sorry when lockdowns come to an end: I enjoy being able to do exactly what I want.”

And yet we dissenters are so often the people berated and vilified for being selfish. Ironically, it’s usually by those folk who are having such a jolly good time of it.

436694 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Drew63, 2, #1457 of 1890 🔗

Nation of serfs, where the liberal middle classes have once again shown their true colours & contempt for the working class. The class divide is wider than ever & equality is a sham, producing nothing but a political minefield.

436499 Cheshirecatslave, 14, #1458 of 1890 🔗

Had an enjoyable afternoon enjoying a ‘life of crime’. I went for a walk with a friend and her young granddaughter and sat on a bench drinking juice. Lots of folk around, no swerving and only saw 2 masks, both on young people. Everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves and acting normally in the sunshine.

436500 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1459 of 1890 🔗
436578 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PastImperfect, 10, #1460 of 1890 🔗

That was excellent. I enjoyed his closing quote:

There is such a thing as natural selection, not all of us are going to fucking make it to the end of this. But I have a real sneaky feeling that they’ve got plans for you guys with the masks first. You guys are going to go before we do, because you’re controlled, and we’re not.

436704 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Richard O, 1, #1461 of 1890 🔗

Yes. These masked ones are the idiots who will volunteer for further medical experiments, far worse than the magic ‘vaccine’. I would not be at all surprised if we see a lot more dodgy medical experimentation on human subjects now that ethical approval is so much easier.

436501 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 26, #1462 of 1890 🔗

How long before the vaccinated start physically attacking the unvaccinated? I give it three months tops. It will start in earnest when the government does not lift restrictions and blames the unvaccinated. Vaccine vigilantism will cost lives, and will be actively encouraged by the politicians, the media and the police.

436520 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Richard O, 14, #1463 of 1890 🔗

How will they tell that you’re not vaccinated, will it be that we don’t have that bar code on our forehead.

436627 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1464 of 1890 🔗

Good Question.

We can all relax a bit..phew.

436524 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Richard O, 6, #1465 of 1890 🔗

Just remind them that you are asymptomatic and that you will infect them with your non existent infectiousness.

436558 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richard O, 3, #1466 of 1890 🔗

Possibly, although some on here said that would happen with masked v unmasked, and there have only been a few isolated incidents so far.

436581 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Richard O, 2, #1467 of 1890 🔗

I can’t wait!!! 😁

436588 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richard O, 10, #1468 of 1890 🔗

Physically attacking? Never. To a zombie, human contact means InstantDeath, remember,
Just cough at them and watch them run away screaming.

437046 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Annie, #1469 of 1890 🔗

If that doesn`t work, I have a machete.

436589 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Richard O, 4, #1470 of 1890 🔗

They’ll have to do it at a distance surely – because the unvaxxed are sooooo dangerous.

436596 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Richard O, 4, #1471 of 1890 🔗

Unless the vaccinated are weakened by the vaccine, in which case they won’t use violence. They’ll use sarcasm.

436764 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1472 of 1890 🔗

They know all the tricks: dramatic irony, metaphor, pathos, puns, parody, litotes and… satire . They’re vicious.

436686 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, 2, #1473 of 1890 🔗

‘The prophecy of the oracle is always death’.

Come on Richard, drink more beer in the sunshine.

436754 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Richard O, 1, #1474 of 1890 🔗

Time for me to get in full Sarah Connor mode then!

436502 ColoradoGirl, 7, #1475 of 1890 🔗

Pfizer total equity: 65,000,000,000. I wonder what it will be next year?

436504 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 18, #1476 of 1890 🔗

I think I heard Van the Man saying on the News even those who have been inoculated (and he does be doing it seemingly) are still to wear their masks.

What does this mean?

He doesn’t think it really works?

Or it works but those who are jabbed still have the potential, to be silent, scentless, sickness unwitting killers – not safe to move amongst humanity until the whole of humanity has been jabbed?

436517 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ned of the Hills, 11, #1477 of 1890 🔗

He can’t stop controlling, they need real scientists who are more interested in the actual science than the control methods they can inflict

436556 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #1478 of 1890 🔗

They can’t lift mask rules until they have a vaccine passport and a means of checking it quickly and easily at all places where masks are enforced. If ‘track ‘n’ trace’ is anything to go by, that will never happen, so it will be masks until doomsday. Otherwise they risk maskless people going in to supermarkets and saying ‘had the jab mate’ to the security guard.

436586 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #1479 of 1890 🔗

More likely he thinks that if some people stop wearing their masks, everyone will, and control will be lost. Anyone can claim that they’ve had the jab, after all.

436742 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1480 of 1890 🔗

Anyone can claim to be mask exempt too.
Sadly, too few do.

436738 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1481 of 1890 🔗

He studied at the Leonardo Conti School of Medicine….

436510 Lockdown Sceptic, 2, #1482 of 1890 🔗

The reality that most media outlets conveniently missed.
The strike is a diversionary tactic, a giant smokescreen to ensure the seamless passage of the Iran Nuclear deal. Biden needed a high moral ground and the strike in Syria provides him with just that. Watch the video for more.

436521 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 17, #1483 of 1890 🔗

The sign of hope to me is NY governor and CA governor. Heroes 9 months ago. Villains today. Time is the best weeder. Eagerly awaiting the same fate to our deceivers. Its coming.

436594 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Niborxof, 3, #1484 of 1890 🔗

Well, they say that what happens in the States makes its way over here, perhaps with a delay.

436623 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Waldorf, 2, #1485 of 1890 🔗

Democratic retribution is not one of those things. Our system is set up to prevent it. Theirs was built to promote it, and still hasn’t been completely destroyed.

436731 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Niborxof, 2, #1486 of 1890 🔗

Yes, worthy of watching, particularly NY, imo Cuomo looks like a dead man walking.

436680 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mic67, 1, #1488 of 1890 🔗

Excellent ! Thanks Mic.

436530 Steeve, 7, #1489 of 1890 🔗

I cancelled a public liability policy today – parting words from the customer service lady was “stay safe” sadly I don’t think it was said tongue in cheek!

436535 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #1490 of 1890 🔗

We seem to be in strange good news – bad news times, most of the data figures are plummeting but it is as if the powers that be cannot or do not want to believe it. They seem terrified that we might all give up and start to enjoy ourselves, by all accounts, ‘too late for that now’!
They are peddling some data about ‘cases’ (dodgy +ve test results) going up in some areas. But if you look at the NHS/Gov dashboard they have by some means ramped up the testing to nearly 3/4 million tests per day, how is that possible? all the school, care home and hospital tests I guess? But from all those tests they are only managing 1.16% +ve test results, which given poor sampling and false positives must be close to statistically insignificant.
Meanwhile we seem to have vaccinated 36% of the adult population and yet they still seem anxious that the vaccination effort might stall?
So with this data and tonights strange yes/no briefing hard to know what on earth is going on?

436540 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #1491 of 1890 🔗

If you’re expecting this to change before they have the vaccine passports in then you’ll be disappointed. Even then lockdowns are here to stay. You think come winter we’ll have any kind of normal baseline for something like flu? Not a chance. Even now with so many control groups to show lockdowns are insignificant and Fergusons models are junk, they still say Lockdowns are our saviour and Ferguson, well, he’s going to be knighted.

436541 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1492 of 1890 🔗

Control Freakery is addictive

436734 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1493 of 1890 🔗

Until the money runs out and/or a riot starts.

436543 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #1494 of 1890 🔗

The persistent refusal to acknowledge good news (from their perspective) by this government only leads me to suspect more that this is all a cover for something; at the least, a stitch-up with Big Pharma, at most a full-on coup/global economic reset. I get the impression however that whatever it is, it is not going quite to plan.

436546 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1495 of 1890 🔗

The most charitable explanation is that they don’t want people getting complacent and ignoring all the stupid rules. However I incline more to your suggestions.

436549 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1496 of 1890 🔗

Is some of that ramping up due to ‘surge testing’? Just a thought.

436582 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #1497 of 1890 🔗

It grows ever more bizarre, if they keep it up then even the sheeple will start to get suspicious surely? Cases and deaths are “plummeting”, as they would say, but it’s still all bad news, everything’s still “unbelievably” high, they are only just starting to acknowledge after nearly 2 months of falling numbers that things might be “plateauing” or even “falling slightly”. I didn’t think things could get even more incomprehensible than they were last spring/summer, but they have. Something is most definitely afoot…

436610 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1498 of 1890 🔗

One possibility is that there’s a toxic feedback loop between HMG and SAGE. SAGE says ‘you’ve got to do something, millions will die!’ so HMG locks down and ruins the economy. Millions don’t die, so HMG says to SAGE ‘You’d better come up with those millions of corpses, or you’ll all end up dead on a hillwalking expedition, or working for DVLA Swansea.’ SAGE then panics and ‘models’ more deaths, which sends HMG into another wealth-wrecking frenzy and so on.

436537 Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, 2, #1499 of 1890 🔗

We had the vaxx invitation a week or so ago, together with info booklet

436538 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, 4, #1500 of 1890 🔗

Oops wrong button 😳
I will have to try again later – dinner is served 😁

436745 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Lockdown Sceptic, -10, #1502 of 1890 🔗

Fuck off sleepy Joe perv sniffer

436547 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1503 of 1890 🔗

Are government scientists as good as Real scientists, government jobs are often where you go when you can’t get a real job in private industry, as we see from the politicians

436554 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1504 of 1890 🔗

They might be good but are they moral? I think the issue is character, not intelligence or talent.

436618 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1505 of 1890 🔗

What do you mean by ‘government scientists’? If such as Whitty and Vallance – they aren’t operating as ‘scientists’ but functionaries. They left science behind a while back.

Others in the SAGE rag-bag, again, aren’t working primarily as ‘scientists’ but are appointed to the advisory role by government and are engaged in climbing the greasy pole.

436666 ▶▶ TJN, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1506 of 1890 🔗

I worked in government science and can vouch that there were some really good people there – disastrously led.

Having worked in both private and government science, I don’t buy at all the private-good/public-bad scenario.

One thing private can’t be beaten on is visceral dishonesty.

436744 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to TJN, -12, #1507 of 1890 🔗

Fuck off cunt

436852 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Jaguarpig, 6, #1508 of 1890 🔗

There must be a support website somewhere for Tourette’s syndrome. Go find it, darlin’.

436671 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1509 of 1890 🔗

True Science is the study of nature to increase knowledge & learn objective truth about the world we live in & rely on to sustain our species!

Applied science is subjective emotive application of gained knowledge to advance our interests to improve our lives & lifestyles.

Whilst I have great respect for the former, the latter sometimes raises concerns. But what we are experiencing from government is neither true or applied science. We are being fraudulently mislead by corporate scientism the only function of which is profit & power for a select few.

Science is of great importance to our lives, but our way of life mustn’t be dictated too by scientists or science. Democracy can not be allowed to be directed by technocrats!

436553 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #1510 of 1890 🔗

I’ve always thought the Queen was a prick.

436585 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 27, #1511 of 1890 🔗

I aleays admired her until this morning, when I became a republican.

436593 ▶▶ iane, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1512 of 1890 🔗

Yes she has certainly regurgitated this divisive language. Coming next week – ‘deplorables’ {didn’t do Hillarious much good, did it?}!

436660 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to iane, 1, #1513 of 1890 🔗

Followed by ‘bitter clingers’ …

436646 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1514 of 1890 🔗

Did she actually make this speech in front of a camera or is it anecdotal evidence of her view on it?

436741 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Tom Blackburn, -7, #1515 of 1890 🔗

Imagine the horror of the cunts that follow

436806 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Jaguarpig, 5, #1516 of 1890 🔗

If I was in command of 77th I would send illiterates with limited vocabularies to drop the C bomb across these pages just so the rest of society thinks sceptics are all foul mouthed cretins with no arguments, just petulant rage.