2021-02-27

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437060 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 18, #1 of 1350 🔗

Wheyhey first for a long time

437520 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Judy Watson, -12, #2 of 1350 🔗

…And?

DavidC

437556 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to DavidC, #3 of 1350 🔗

And??

438259 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to dhid, -3, #4 of 1350 🔗

Oh, you’re back are you? I didn’t downvote you and I’m not going to grace you with one either.

DavidC

438257 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to DavidC, -4, #5 of 1350 🔗

I don’t give a toss about the down votes. All this ‘Look at me, I’m first!’ is pathetic. It’s childish. If anyone has a good comment and it happens to be first then fine, I don’t have a problem with that.

DavidC

438332 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to DavidC, 3, #6 of 1350 🔗

You miserable turd.

438380 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to stevie119, #7 of 1350 🔗

If you’re one of the people who downvoted me then I’m grateful that you have at least got the balls to identify yourself unlike the others. Thank you. Come on you others, identify yourselves!

I come to this site to read the great stuff that LS publishes. I also come to this site to comment on stuff I know something about, Microbiology and science. I do not come to this site to read childish self proclamatory stuff (‘Oooh, look at me, I’m first!’) or childish ad hominem attacks. If that makes me a ‘miserable turd’ – an ad hominem attack – which incidentally is a physical impossibility as I am not a turd, then so be it, albeit I might be miserable tonight.

DavidC

438383 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to DavidC, 4, #8 of 1350 🔗

David, I think it’s just a bit of fun stuff for the first poster of the day. With respect, maybe you need to lighten up a bit. It doesn’t have to be all doom and gloom here- we like to have some laughs and banter too.

438389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Nymeria, #9 of 1350 🔗

Nymeria,
I appreciate your courteous response for which I thank you.

I’ve been on this site from its early days, commenting for long enough that I consider myself one of the ‘we’ and, for sure, I’ve engaged with some of the laughs and banter of which a lot from the LS commenters is of a very high standard. I just find the ‘I’m the first, look at me!’ quite irritating. Maybe it’s just got me on an off day.

Anyway, thank you again for your courteousness.

DavidC

438393 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to DavidC, 1, #10 of 1350 🔗

Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think you deserved the personal insult. We all have our off days. Most of mine are more off than on 🙂

437061 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 75, #11 of 1350 🔗

OK last night here in Phuket I went to watch the turtles hatching on the local beach. There were hundreds of people there sitting or standing quietly on the beach. NO antisocial distancing and only about 25% wearing masks.

When the turtles were released there was a massive surge of people to see them and everyone was literally shoulder to shoulder – bit like rush hour used to be on the tube.

It was great to see everyone out and about but unfortunately in the crush i didn’t see the hatchlings, so very disappointing.

A good atmosphere and everyone obeyed the rules – phones on silent, talk quietly and no flash on the camera. These rules I was happy to follow.

437063 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Judy Watson, 13, #12 of 1350 🔗

I trust you all kept Socially Distanced from the turtles.

437075 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 14, #13 of 1350 🔗

And that somebody ensured that the hatchlings kept six feet apart on their perilous dash to the sea. Stay safe, and all that.

437080 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 12, #14 of 1350 🔗

They stay safe by weight of numbers and crowding together so any predators can only catch a tiny minority of them before the rest reach the sea.

437085 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 27, #15 of 1350 🔗

Then they’ve got it all WRONG. By crowding together, they’re spreading the virus and killing their Turtle Grannies.

437531 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 3, #16 of 1350 🔗

And how socially irresponsible is that?

437090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 25, #17 of 1350 🔗

You may have something in that – I don’t know.

Their hatching coincides with a full moon and high tide. High tide last night 10.09pm First one appeared at 10.20 – I always marvel at nature and her timings.

437168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Judy Watson, 37, #18 of 1350 🔗

I laugh when puny humans think they can dictate to Mother Nature. 🤣 🤣 🤣

437088 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 5, #19 of 1350 🔗

Had to – area cordoned off. From what i could see on some-ones selfie-stick the turtles obviously didn’t think the 2m rule apples to them.

437103 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Judy Watson, 34, #20 of 1350 🔗

Turtly unacceptable.

I’ll get my coat.

437785 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #21 of 1350 🔗

“I’ll get my carapace”

FTFY.

437832 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #22 of 1350 🔗

They probably engage in turtling – not dogging, turtling.

437106 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Judy Watson, 11, #23 of 1350 🔗

Oh this fills my heart with JOY!

437113 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #24 of 1350 🔗

Watched a turtle crawl out to lay her eggs 60 years ago. A local scooped up most of the eggs, the rules are probably different now but there are still turtles.

437134 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #25 of 1350 🔗

What for? To eat?

437529 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to sophie123, 2, #26 of 1350 🔗

Yes but the other 4nests that I am aware of are also closely monitored to stop the locals eating the eggs.

437229 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Judy Watson, 2, #27 of 1350 🔗

Sounds great! Am jealous!

437062 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 77, #28 of 1350 🔗

From ATL
‘Jonathan Van-Tamm tonight urged Britons not to relax as the UK heads into a glorious weekend . . .’

You’ve missed the bus mate, as reported yesterday our urban riverside leisure hub was full of people of all types out enjoying the sunshine, strolling about in a normal fashion in the place where they usually go when they can’t make it to the beach even though all the leisure and retail outlets were closed.
Only the very local oldies wore masks and Illegal group bench sitting was widespread, some had even brought their own coffee for that very purpose.

A later Covidiot report on Local Live (mirror group news) makes it clear that this went on for hours with the police nowhere to be seen.

437105 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to karenovirus, 29, #29 of 1350 🔗

GOOD! AND AS AN OLDIE MYSELF (72), I DESPISE YOUR VERY LOCAL ONES.

437122 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #30 of 1350 🔗

The very local oldies emerge from shielding in the sheltered housing units in the area, masked up and pŕobably horrified by the vast numbers of visiting city folk as they head for the not very nice convenience store for supplies.

437140 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 48, #31 of 1350 🔗

We have them too, except that our local zombies are mostly squat, beady-eyed,spiteful, middle-aged hausfraus, slinking malevolently out of Tesco’s and spitting venom at anybody who dares to enjoy a bit of sun and seaside.

437239 ▶▶▶▶▶ stalfie, replying to Annie, 11, #32 of 1350 🔗

Round my rural village it is the male of the species who are the most vicious on social media, mostly ones who are still going to work on building sites etc. They are spitting with envy at those they perceive to be sat at home being paid on furlough,whilst they are toiling as usual. They can’t understand why people are fed up with masks,as they don’t wear them on site, and are critical of teenagers who dare to gather in little groups. Selfish!

437277 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 14, #33 of 1350 🔗

Not to mention – that in this area (West Wales) there have been some episodes of local zombies staging barricades by roads into the area and/or putting up their own “Keep Out” signs should anyone dare to venture across that line on the map surrounding the area they regard as “theirs”. Not to mention all the virtue-signallers on local Facebook pages doing the Internet equivalent.

437732 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, #34 of 1350 🔗

Eliza, I’ve just sent you a private message on the Forum, pls respond!

437369 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 39, #35 of 1350 🔗

The sight of that twat as the first picture pissed me off. Reading the idiotic article pissed me off even more. Why are we still printing this bollocks? We all know its wrong. So remember December? Can’t do anything till the stupid R rate is down and infections down. Yep done that. Let’s not talk about that and celebrate. Point two we must protect the nhs. Okay hospitalisation down deaths down too. Let’s not mention this either just tell us what we can’t do. Stay at home. WHY? How about you just STFU and let us get on with our lives. Stop doing 600k tests a day and the disease will dissappear. The old folk are not going to die according to you so SET US FREE.

437388 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Spikedee1, 15, #36 of 1350 🔗

Me too, who gives a shit what that ugly twat has to say somebody please kill him

437389 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 7, #37 of 1350 🔗

my local park is so busy it needs a one way system-covid or no covid

437683 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #38 of 1350 🔗

Cheers to your sensible police force!

437878 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #39 of 1350 🔗

Nine mile walk today in glorious sunshine plus a picnic. Does Van Tamm not realise that it is over.

437064 Rich, replying to Rich, 57, #40 of 1350 🔗

How to get a lockdowner to question things, in three easy steps:

1 – Ask “What do you think would’ve happened if the virus had spread unchecked for a year?”
2 – After they recite the apocalypse, ask “Can you think of any scenario in which it would go unnoticed?”
3 – After they answer no, casually mention that Spanish researchers found it in sewage samples from March 2019

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1.full.pdf

437219 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Rich, 8, #41 of 1350 🔗

Excellent

437065 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 66, #42 of 1350 🔗

The bloody Daily Mail and their obsession with Woke Harry and Sparkles. The ‘My relative didn’t die of Covid’ story has already been moved down their home page.

I really hope the Mail keep at this one and more people see that at least one cat is out of the bag with regard to the Regime fiddling the numbers. We really need this to snowball.

437068 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 46, #43 of 1350 🔗

I first came across falsification of Covid deaths about 4 weeks into lockdown 1.
A nanny (key worker because her clients were medics) whose sister suffered a stillbirth.
This was initially put down as a Covid death, the family were able to get that changed but only because the Father In Law was ‘someone high in the military’.

I have come across more than a dozen others from the relatives, friends and care workers of the deceased.

In the Mail comments Speed2005 asks why the government would do this, 40+ readers tell him/her why.

437107 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to karenovirus, 32, #44 of 1350 🔗

To cover up the carnage in care homes.

437109 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to karenovirus, 27, #45 of 1350 🔗

I believe some of the “testing positive in the last 28 days, etc” have included suicides and gun shot wounds.

437341 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 20, #46 of 1350 🔗

Reminds me of a true story I heard years ago.
An expert witness was being cross-examined in court:

Counsel: And how can you be so sure that Mr Xx was dead at that particular time?
Witness: Because his brain was in a jar of preservative on my desk.

437882 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Annie, 6, #47 of 1350 🔗

It goes on; ‘Yes, but are you really sure he was dead?’. ‘Well, now you mention it, I suppose he could be practising law as a barrister somewhere’.

437158 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 17, #48 of 1350 🔗

Yes – I found out a friend had an old neighbour who’s death (in a care home) had been registered falsely as C19. Such details were being collected by someone behind LDS at the time, but we haven’t heard any more about it since.

437191 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CGL, 6, #49 of 1350 🔗

As I understand it there is nothing the care home can do to alter a Covid death designation even though it might put the name of Cain on the business and destroy confidence in the local community.

437236 ▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to karenovirus, 27, #50 of 1350 🔗

My first clue to the lies was within the first 4 weeks because of falsification on the death certificate.
My daughters friends dad had a heart attack first week of lockdown, after he was admitted they test him for covid he tests positive he had NO symptoms of covid.
On the day he gets released from hospital, he went to bed earlier than his wife, she said she didn’t feel OK and when he got up in the morning he found his wife dead in her chair.
Covid was put on the death certificate , she was never tested for covid and there was no post mortem done but she is one of the 11 in Ayrshire and Arran that in 2020 died of covid, not with.

437376 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 26, #51 of 1350 🔗

The are only 10 months too late but better late than never eh? Carl Hennighan was telling them this in May but they chose to ignore it because it did not fit the narrative. Has the tide turned?

438092 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to karenovirus, 2, #52 of 1350 🔗

Why, to get 19 million people and counting to take a poison. Worked a treat.

437110 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ceriain, 27, #53 of 1350 🔗

Do not underestimate the VAST numbers of people who still get the physical paper rag delivered to their doorstep. THEY will not miss that front page!

437124 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 13, #54 of 1350 🔗

And still more who will see the headline on newsagents stands.

437146 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ceriain, 10, #55 of 1350 🔗

Yes we do. It’s great to see articles like that. It gives us some hope.

437179 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 36, #56 of 1350 🔗

Best rated comment on the DM story is now

About time! This is a total scandal. 5408 upticks 111 downticks

437406 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Ceriain, 23, #57 of 1350 🔗

That this is headline news almost a full year after anyone with half a brain could see it was happening is the real scandal.

Remember they only introduced the within 28 days thing because I think it was Carl Heneghan pointed out they were counting everyone who’d ever had a positive result. So you literally could only ever die from Covid. Not deterred by this revision, they just slapped it on all death certificates anyway, no need for a test at all. There’s only one show in town.

437543 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ceriain, 7, #58 of 1350 🔗

It is on their front page in the print edition, so cannot be downgraded there.

437929 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 6, #59 of 1350 🔗

Thanks to all who posted. 🙂

Yes, having it on a million front pages of the DM print edition is brilliant.

I notice the Mirror is now running the story; great stuff.

437066 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 40, #60 of 1350 🔗

At 4am yesterday morning they blew up the local ATM

The scene is now guarded by a fat female dwarf PCSO with a severe attitude problem

A metaphor for the country

437077 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 13, #61 of 1350 🔗

Not joke news this time, Cecil?
I do hope the thief sanitised his hands before he planted the charge.

437111 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Cecil B, 6, #62 of 1350 🔗

Obviously carried out by cash point lockdown sceptics.

437142 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Fingerache Philip, 32, #63 of 1350 🔗

The thief was only following WEF example and attempting to create a cashless society for everyone else but himself.

437794 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cecil B, 2, #64 of 1350 🔗

Queue “you’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_PX1cVuaVA

437067 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 154, #65 of 1350 🔗

Au contraire Mr Van Tam

People do not believe it’s over, it’s just dawned on them that it never started

437129 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Cecil B, 24, #66 of 1350 🔗

Oh that is TRUE!

437184 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 29, #67 of 1350 🔗

Exactly. People are now slowly realised that they’ve been had.

437430 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #68 of 1350 🔗

Some of the Covid zealots begining to see the light, about 11 months later than some of us here. For many of them it will be too late though, they have taken the Covid lethal injection and are now just a time bomb, quietly ticking away.

437765 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rowan, 7, #69 of 1350 🔗

Yep. They were slow on the uptake and now that some of them have had the vaccine it will be interesting what their reaction will be when they succumb to the nasty side effects later.

437069 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 106, #70 of 1350 🔗

2020 was a strange year for me. For most people it wasn’t that different but think back to April.

Back then, you may recall, was a large spike in the death rates of the very old – it came and went very quickly and by the summer it had all but been forgotten about as people went about their daily lives.

But back in April, for a few weeks, people were really worried, not just here but in many countries all over the world.

Now strangely enough, this was due to a virus that came from a so-called ‘wet market’ in China and in the City of Wuhan, where they ‘locked down’, something only a completely totalitarian state could do and would never happen in the West. No way we’d stand for it: literally the people were ordered to stay in their houses and could only leave once a week to go shopping.

But I was worried – I could see as well as everyone else  that there was a cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, which had 3700 mainly elderly people on it, and this damn virus had ravaged the ship yet only 7 people had died. I estimated that the same again would die following this, but whatever way you looked at the numbers when you applied them to the population and age of the UK, a maximum of 0.2% of the population would die, and of those no more than 5,100 would be under 60.

A few ‘shock jock’ statisticians and commentators ran some crazy numbers and I remember the weirdest one, a Neil Ferguson from  Imperial, getting his fifteen minutes of fame by forecasting 520,000 deaths if we didn’t do what China did, but this was all forgotten pretty quickly after the ‘pandemic’ (as it was then loosely referred to) disappeared with the onset of the summer.

So what was troubling me? I suppose it was a bit of vanity but I thought the people would be easily fooled by sensationalist politicians and opportunistic doctors. I look back and see some embarrassing emails I wrote at the time:

‘it’s blindingly obvious this virus won’t kill many and even those it does kill will be very old, but people are getting hysterical – we’re going to hear things like ‘even one life lost is too many’’

‘Italy’s going to go the way of China – even we will – hundreds of years of democracy will count for nothing ’

‘the vast majority of the people are virtually completely innumerate – the average doctor or politician, let alone man in the street, can’t assess and compare risks to save their lives. You’ll see – hysteria will rise and the arrogant classically educated politicians who think they are so superior because they can’t understand numbers will lead us into the biggest bloody mess this country has ever seen !!!’

My pride was damaged that I got it so wrong – my predictions on the numbers were spot on, but I had no faith in democracy or the sense or intelligence of our people. Looking back , I was arrogant to dismiss the majority as innumerate or to think of them as sheep, led to the slaughter by opportunistic and/ or stupid politicians and their sycophantic brigade of ‘useful idiot’ scientists, doctors and statisticians.

I thought maybe the bad flu season we had this winter would bring back the apocalyptic visions, I’m sure some of those hospitalisations and deaths would have been from the Chinese virus. But no, people had lost interest by then – it was old news. It was simply put down to good old-fashioned flu.

I was wrong, plain and simple, I had underestimated the British people.

Meanwhile, back in the real world………

437125 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 11, #71 of 1350 🔗

You write brilliantly Laurence.

438170 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to karenovirus, 1, #72 of 1350 🔗

Thank you – very much appreciated.

437252 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Laurence, 21, #73 of 1350 🔗

Excellent stuff. Yesterday I was musing that this whole thing feels like one of those science fiction tropes, where a small decision sends us down an alternative time line and some intrepid souls try to find the occasion and go back to reset it… best done most recently in The Orville Season 2. If only someone could restore us to the correct timeline!

437546 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Laurence, 8, #74 of 1350 🔗

I was saying then, “locking down” a cruise ship and stop the spread of infection is useless with staff still living in crowded space, having to produce food and move around the ship.

437070 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 129, #75 of 1350 🔗

In response to Guy’s excellent article – one part troubles me: “So, I have no problem with the notion of vaccine choice as another facet of choice with consequences.”.

The problem here is that we are dealing with a globally endemic disease, not an unsafe driver. These are two vastly different things. It only makes sense (as we do in animal health) to require vaccination and proof thereof where the person is traveling between a country with endemic disease and one that has no community spread, such as travel between the world and New Zealand.

Sending a dog from South Africa to the USA is as simple as popping the dog on a plane with only it’s normal vaccine certificate. Sending the dog to a Rabies free country (UK) is another matter entirely – months long waiting, vaccination, titer testing etc awaits the traveller. And so it should be, Rabies kills 99.9%, the opposite of SARS CoV2 and a country free of it, should remain so even though vaccination is 100% preventative.

So, no Guy, vaccination certificates for people moving between endemic areas make no sense at all to any virologist,infectious disease expert, sane epidemiologist and veterinarians. There is nothing remotely contagious about driving a car.

437132 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liewe, 22, #76 of 1350 🔗

Brilliant takedown!! I will be quoting this!

437217 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Liewe, 34, #77 of 1350 🔗

Covidiots always equate Rabies and Smallpox with an experimental RNA drug….there is no relationship they are completely different types of ‘medicine’. mRNA is untested, unproven, does not stop transmission and is therefore quite useless. The 60 yr flu vaxx is likewise useless with an effective rate of maybe 10-30% in some minority of the population. This is proven every year with even the Fake News headlines asking ‘why did the flu vaxx fail again?’. The reason is that flu viruses have hundreds of thousands if not millions of instantiations and differences based on their hosts. You are chasing ghosts with a flu vaxx.

437365 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 21, #78 of 1350 🔗

mRNA is no longer untested.
It has now been tested worldwide on millions of people.
Just as they wanted.

437548 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to stewart, 14, #79 of 1350 🔗

It is in the testing phase!
We do not have any long term results yet. And the short term speak for themselves it is not a good idea.

437250 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Liewe, 11, #80 of 1350 🔗

Yes, well written and I couldn’t agree more. I only liked once but the like box gave you 8 up ticks and I think this statement deserves them all.

437262 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Just about sane, 5, #81 of 1350 🔗

That’s because 7 other readers ticked it since you last opened this posting page.

437425 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Liewe, 23, #82 of 1350 🔗

It’s one thing to need a license to climb inside my car; but quite another to need a poorly tested biological substance to climb inside of me. These things just aren’t comparable.

If we are going to compare them, think of the car. Long established technology. Rigorous safety testing and protocols before coming to market. Lots of alternatives – walking, cycling, buses, trains etc. Free choice between them. You can ride in the car, without any requirements on you at all.

Vaccine passports are like requiring the driver plus all the passengers to have a license, when it’s only the driver that has responsibility for the risk.

437071 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 93, #83 of 1350 🔗

Why is it news that Jonathan Van Tam wants everyone to stay afraid and indoors forever? Why do we hang (ourselves) on his every word here? Who cares that “cases” (positive test results) are “ticking up”, when it’s apparent that the virus is killing fewer and fewer people? Why be surprised that it’s proving impossible to get the “case” rate below the false positive rate? Why do we rake over the same old guff day in, day out?

437076 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 28, #84 of 1350 🔗

”it’s proving impossible to get the “case” rate below the false positive rate? ”
They have been hoisted on their own petard with this, they have now managed to ramp up the daily testing figure to around 3/4 million tests, I’ve no idea where all these tests are coming from but yesterday they reported 731410 tests and 8523 +ve test results. My shaky maths makes that a +ve test rate of 1.165% which given the dodgy mature of the sampling and analysis I would imagine that the +ve test number is close to the level of statistical significance?

437403 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #85 of 1350 🔗

can we conclude they have altered the ct since January?

437633 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #86 of 1350 🔗

They’re probably using Dominion voting machines to make up the daily test numbers.

437086 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 42, #87 of 1350 🔗

The point is that at last an MSM newspaper with 1.1million readers had the question on its front page, if only for a while, and that its readership are overwhelmingly aware.

437175 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 29, #88 of 1350 🔗

Maybe they have been analysing the comments on their own articles.They have been overwhelmingly sceptical for months and they can see which way the wind is blowing.
I actually think the road map is Johnson’s Berlin Wall moment.
All everyone heard is freedom by June.No one was listening to the caveats.

437555 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #89 of 1350 🔗

I kind of do not get the Berlin Wall reference.
So are we now in the summer, when thousands camped in the gardens of Czech, Hungarian, Bulgarian embassies, while the governments negotiated their fate?

I hope we will start the Monday protest marches soon!!

438033 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #90 of 1350 🔗

And if God is kind and sends us good weather (I pray for it nightly!) then people will just do what they want without waiting for “permission” from on high. Much easier to lock people down when it is cold and miserable – far harder when the sun is shining and everyone wants to go to the beach!! I went for a walk yesterday along the coast. Not what you would describe as a beauty spot per se but there was a cast of thousands out and about – GREAT to see.

437224 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to karenovirus, 3, #91 of 1350 🔗

Is someone able to post this front page please

437241 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Puddleglum59, 13, #92 of 1350 🔗

Here you go

437734 ▶▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #93 of 1350 🔗

Thank you Prof

437408 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 7, #94 of 1350 🔗

the MSM always wants to be on the side that’s winning. The Brexit poll was a case in point. The Daily Mail was to an extent sitting on the fence during the campaign. The MoS gave chapter and verse every week before the poll on how people like Dominic Cummings were operating.

437799 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #95 of 1350 🔗

The MSM wasn’t sitting on the fence. It was recruited (as per SAGE minutes) to ramp up the fear. The UK has a massive propaganda budget, which is currently £4 billion over budget. It pays for the likes of Integrity Initiative, 77 Brigade, Bellingcrap, etc to attack anyone opposing the USUK regimes’ policies.

437094 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 12, #96 of 1350 🔗

Why rake iver the same old guff? Because it’s all they got.

437174 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 15, #97 of 1350 🔗

I’ve never listened to any of the scaremongering announcements, not one!

437280 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 10, #98 of 1350 🔗

the virus is killing fewer and fewer people”

Death from c-19/flu would be a rarity if HCQ/IVM treatments were readily available

437072 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 148, #99 of 1350 🔗

Van Tam opens his mouth without thinking of the consequences. Last night at the presser, he told a member of the public, who had asked, “I’ve had the Vax, can I go out?” “No”, said the great SAGE, “You must still stay home.” Even after almost all the elderly and the vulnerable have been jabbed, this idiot says it’s not safe.

People are starting to not buy this; they are starting to see through it. Yes, they are still wearing masks, but more and more are out and about, and this weekend begins the “change”.

This is my hope.

As the weather improves, I reckon the number of people who will ignore the “rules” will increase “exponentially” (to use their favourite word). The regime will counter with threats of pushing back the opening up dates, but this will just anger people more, and more people will ignore the rules.

More stories like the Mail questioning death certs will be published; more people will question the regime, and rule-breaking will increase. More threats, more rule-breaking, and on and on it will go.

I hope.

437073 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ceriain, 68, #100 of 1350 🔗

My hope also but what a pity it has taken so long.

437097 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 50, #101 of 1350 🔗

We must get a fat lady to sing. And have plenty of fat-lady understudies in reserve.

437338 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Annie, 16, #102 of 1350 🔗

Oh God no! Not MORE NHS nurse TikToks ….

437801 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #103 of 1350 🔗

Frau Merkel maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbbrcaQmdJ0

NSWE – Not Safe While Eating

437414 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Annie, 2, #104 of 1350 🔗

not sure if the Belgian minister of health can sing

437196 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 22, #105 of 1350 🔗

And we need more and more people to take matters into their own hands. It ain’t over until WE say it’s over.

437092 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Ceriain, 7, #106 of 1350 🔗

I hope so too but maybe a bit forlornly

437580 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ceriain, 9, #107 of 1350 🔗

Indeed, what’s the point of the arm-banger if it does not protect you to any significant degree? Even fairly stupid people might see through that one.

437074 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 14, #108 of 1350 🔗

I heard last night that Bill Gates has bought Telegram. Worrying if true.

437078 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 14, #109 of 1350 🔗

OH DEAR. STOP.

437081 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 4, #110 of 1350 🔗

Sorry …

437089 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 24, #111 of 1350 🔗

OH DEAR AGAIN STOP I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A JOKE STOP IS ANYBODY ELSE HERE OLD ENOUGH TO SEE THE POINT STOP.

437099 ▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Annie, 6, #112 of 1350 🔗

JUST STOP

437405 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #113 of 1350 🔗

(Oh, chapeau!)

437572 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #114 of 1350 🔗

Don’t ever stop stop.

437127 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 10, #115 of 1350 🔗

‘That’s 18 words Mrs. Annie so 1/6 please’

437135 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #116 of 1350 🔗

And I want one of those fancy greetings forms.

437162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to karenovirus, 1, #117 of 1350 🔗

“And for the same money you can put in an extra “Woof.”
“But that would make no sense.”

437149 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Annie, #118 of 1350 🔗

😆

437150 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Annie, 7, #119 of 1350 🔗

Oh god that’s awful. I hate that man

437418 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Annie, 2, #120 of 1350 🔗

stop don’t stop stop

437569 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Annie, 1, #121 of 1350 🔗

Annie,
That might have been a bit obscure for anyone without grey hair!

437802 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Annie, 1, #122 of 1350 🔗

COMMA GAIN

437180 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 5, #123 of 1350 🔗

That’s a cue for the members to move to GAB of MeWe.

437305 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, 1, #124 of 1350 🔗

Hi KH – do you know where this screen grab came from – I’ve tried looking on Fox News and can’t find anything yet. Just want to try and find out more about it. Ta

437325 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to CGL, #125 of 1350 🔗

HI CGL, I couldn’t find it either that’s why I added ‘if true’. I’ll ask the friend who sent me the link. Will report back. kh

437380 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to kh1485, #126 of 1350 🔗

Thank you! 🙂

437084 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to kh1485, 26, #127 of 1350 🔗

How to make a quick buck: start a social media platform allowing free speech. Sit back and wait for your Bill Gates paycheck

437101 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to kh1485, 4, #128 of 1350 🔗

The phrase “free-speech platform” is an oxymoron. Because a platform is a space that is permitted to exist, and recognized by consensus. Permission can be withdrawn at any time and consensus, like democracy, only really works if everyone basically agrees.

437177 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 6, #129 of 1350 🔗

Buying up the opposition? He really is evil!

437272 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to kh1485, 3, #130 of 1350 🔗

Hostile takeover one imagines

437282 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 3, #131 of 1350 🔗

OMG – I do hope not. Cue for another start-up – just as we were getting the idea that that would be the go-to if Facebook became completely untenable.

437310 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to ElizaP, 3, #132 of 1350 🔗

Dusruption – that’s the idea isn’t it, so we can never get to a point where we can be proper organised opposition.
The Save Your Rights Telegram group is nowhere near the 43k members it used to have on FB, since they shut the page down. Having said that I haven’t been on the new platform they set up, so don’t know how many they now have on there.

438060 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 1, #133 of 1350 🔗

Well, yes we all know why he did that.

437079 Annie, 17, #134 of 1350 🔗

David McGrogan’s piece ATL is excellent.
New 1984 slogan: LOCKDOWN KILLS ETHICS.

437082 TheClone, 38, #135 of 1350 🔗

You need to stay home, wear your face mask and keep social distancing until they will have the vaxx passport in place. Then you will be free. Welcome to Gulag Britain where lockdowns are forever.

437083 Annie, replying to Annie, 52, #136 of 1350 🔗

I’m sick and tired of international comparisons involving Covvicorpse counts.
There’s no international agreement as to what constitutes a Covvideath, so any comparison is meaningless.
I have some chalk, you have some cheese, I have more chalk than you have cheese, so my rate of chalkicheese is higher than yours. Big deal.

437093 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Annie, 42, #137 of 1350 🔗

One of the features of this hoo-haa has been the presentation of death figures with no context and no comparison with other years. Before this all started I had no idea how many people died each day in the UK but I do now and yet I am afraid many of the public still do not know and are thus scared of any death figures without really knowing why.
Even BBC journalist Sarah Montague on the news the other day got exasperated with 2 ‘experts’ when she tried to pin them down as to what is an acceptable level of deaths? but she could not get a straight answer.
If we are going to have the Government taking draconian actions with regard to Public Health then they need to set criteria for death levels below which such actions cannot be justified. Personally i think we are well below that figure now in the UK, but I cannot see this Government taking such decisive action.

437095 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 22, #138 of 1350 🔗

In any case, there’s NO level of Covvideaths that justifies totalitarian diktat.
Your last three words prompt the thought that the original plunge into lockdown tyranny wasn’t a decisive action at all. It was a panicked jellywobble.

437130 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 5, #139 of 1350 🔗

Comes after decades of spin doctors and focus groups by all parties.

437185 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, 31, #140 of 1350 🔗

About 1500 died every day in the UK pre Covid. They have made a crisis out of a normal occurrence and the people fell for it with help from the Media without whose help the government couldn’t have got away with it.

437291 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bella Donna, 19, #141 of 1350 🔗

Don’t forget the Government couldnt have got away with it – if we didn’t (in the main) have the Internet. They couldn’t have done a Lockdown on us if we didn’t usually have computers these days. Smartphones have also been quite a bonus to be used against us. I plead guilty (obviously) to having a computer myself and, if I could, would do one of those “going back into history to change the future” and have a meet-up with the founder of the Internet (who, I gather, incidentally is on our side).

437336 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 11, #142 of 1350 🔗

Dead right. No internet, no lockdown. Period.

437600 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to ElizaP, 22, #143 of 1350 🔗

I was talking to a highly educated but utterly dim covidian aquaintance about this just before Christmas. She said what a Godsend the internet had been and how would we ever have coped with lockdown without it? I said I thought the answer would be quite obvious: lockdown simply wouldn’t have been possible. There would have been no working from home, no online education, no online shopping, no zoom, no email, no social media, no Netflix etc etc . Lockdown just wouldn’t have been an option so it wouldn’t have happened. Just like it didn’t happen during the HK ‘flu epidemic of 1968-69 and yet, strangely, the world carried on turning. She was surprised to hear about that, even though she is in her late seventies. But then she was surprised to hear about the bad ‘flu winter of 2017-18 with all the ‘overwhelmed NHS’ stories on the front pages, so I was probably wasting my time.

437712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve F, 5, #144 of 1350 🔗

Hopefully you made her think.

437637 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #145 of 1350 🔗

Lack of context is completely intentional.

That is one of the simplest and most effective ways to lie with statistics.

437102 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 6, #146 of 1350 🔗

Thanks for chalkicheese, stealing that!

437114 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #147 of 1350 🔗

U R welcome!

437115 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, #148 of 1350 🔗

EXACTLY!

437087 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 48, #149 of 1350 🔗

Re. the WEF celebrating the impact of lockdowns. Surely it must be becoming clear to people that there is a wider agenda at play here. Surely …

Anyway, someone in the PR of SW, took offence to one of the many green bollards that have been installed to enable (anti) social distancing. Removed it clean from its moorings … Probably the same person who has been going round removing the “greener, smarter, safer” signs … Well done that person.

437100 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to kh1485, 24, #150 of 1350 🔗

I had to leave the local ‘support group’ on Facebook last April when people started saying how wonderful it was to hear birdsong. I signed of with a link to Thurber’s The Day the Dam Broke . Smug, sanctimonious pot banging psychopaths.

437131 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 25, #151 of 1350 🔗

Don’t blame you. I’ve heard similar comments at work. And as Jinks says below, they couldn’t give a damn about the collateral damage.

The thing is, other than the elites, this is going to adversely affect everyone in time – it’s just that they don’t have the wit to realise it now.

437108 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 30, #152 of 1350 🔗

And it’s only going to kill a half-billion people, mostly children and adults in developing nations. That’s the trade-off these satanic luciferians think is acceptable. In fact, they’re probably disappointed it’s not more, and with these murderous biological agents being forced on everyone, who can say what the cost of life lost will actually be?

437141 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Jinks, 18, #153 of 1350 🔗

I think half a billion in the developing world is very optimistic. I would reverse that: I think at the end of this there will be half a billion left in the ENTIRE world – that’s the plan, anyway

437293 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #154 of 1350 🔗

I’ve seen that mini video on YouTube with graphs of actual and projected population by country. But the reason I don’t give them much mindspace is because I noticed that the population of the UK was put at WAY lower than it actually is, but the very next thing I saw was the population of various African countries down as round about the same and, in one or two cases, down as a bit higher in fact. At that point I thought “Somebody is trying to make a racist point – and a rather different way round to normal – but it is still racist.”. Obviously it would not be acceptable to say “You can keep all your population – but we’ve got to lose a lot of ours”.

437506 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #155 of 1350 🔗

As per the Georgia Guidestones. Of course, anything over 500 million plus deaths, is something these creatures drool over. But it still won’t be enough, by their reckoning.

437151 ▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 1, #156 of 1350 🔗

Great news

437187 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to kh1485, 8, #157 of 1350 🔗

It was always about the Green Lobby.

437281 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #158 of 1350 🔗

It was just so obvious. Nearly took out one of the green bollards myself just now as they’ve placed them in a really dumb place.

437564 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 3, #159 of 1350 🔗

Haven’t hear any scientists about reduced carbon emissions due to less planes.
In the spring they said the impact had been minimal. I would be interested to know what their findings are now.

437091 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 67, #160 of 1350 🔗

I’ve been bitterly disappointed in many public figures over their reaction to CoViD, but not Owen Jones. I always knew he was a small-minded, insecure prick.

437098 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to mattghg, 22, #161 of 1350 🔗

Or indeed a small pricked insecure mind.

437901 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #162 of 1350 🔗

hey go easy on those with wee pricks 😉

437143 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, 5, #163 of 1350 🔗

Give yourself a laugh and check the comments.

437165 ▶▶ scuzbert, replying to mattghg, 3, #164 of 1350 🔗

Perhaps a petty prick? Or even prick petit?

437189 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mattghg, 21, #165 of 1350 🔗

He has been calling anything that moves a fascist for years.The moment we have a real fascist government then he calls on it to be more fascist.
You are right though,there are many political commentators who i will never listen to again.

437570 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mattghg, 2, #166 of 1350 🔗

Just been trying to find the video, planning to report it, would it be nice if YT takes one of his videos down…

Noticed his hair style resembling Boris more and more as weeks go by.

437778 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Silke David, 2, #167 of 1350 🔗

Probably can’t find a barber and will not break lockdown to do so.

437096 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 128, #168 of 1350 🔗

Guy de la Bédoyère: “I accept for example that in order to protect other people I needed to learn to drive and to have a driving licence to prove it. Similarly, I accept the normal passport as a means of proving who I am and protecting me and everyone else from maniacs and others not entitled to come to this country. I also accept that there are consequences of making choices. If I choose not to have a driving licence, then I would have to accept I cannot drive on a public road.”

Wow Guy, this is your inner authoritarian just leaking out for all to see! First of all, I’m not bothered whether you have the vaccine or not – as you rightly say, it’s your choice. You come across as a highly educated academic sort, so I’m baffled why you think the vaccine “protects others” – it doesn’t. In fact, no vaccine trial has yet presented any data providing any evidence of sterilising immunity which would be considered the gold standard for any vaccine. So then, your vaccine (a misnomer in the case of the Pfizer jab which is actually an experimental gene therapy) is at best alleviating Covid-19 symptoms, at worst doing all sorts of unknown damage to your body over the next ‘x’ years. I can’t be proven wrong or right on that last point because as I’m sure you know, the Phase III trials for these jabs don’t end until 2023 – you are actually taking part in human experimentation right now. Again, your choice.

Secondly, the “maniacs” you refer to in this case is anybody who refuses to take these vaccines on health grounds, on ethical grounds or because they believe there’s tiny microchips inside – it doesn’t really matter. It’s your choice to take the vaccine, it’s many other people’s choice not to, and yet you seem to be advocating that these people need to face “the consequences” for not accepting these jabs. Why would you care if I’m not vaccinated if you’ve got your “immunity” from Covid-19? Do you not see the bizarre logic here? Why should anybody be forced to live as a second-class citizen, denied access to travel, entertainment/hospitality venues and even healthcare because they hold serious concerns about these unlicensed products which have already resulted in tens of thousands of adverse reactions and a very worrisome number of deaths?

I’m surprised that a historian seems to have not learned anything from the cruel past – we are about to embark on a period of vaccine apartheid, and you seem to be keen on ushering it in with your comments above. If that’s the case, I won’t be reading anything with your name attached to it for the foreseeable future.

437119 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Scotty87, 65, #169 of 1350 🔗

This is the vaccine propaganda. It’s always been the vaccine propaganda. Except – like many, many things throughout this nightmare, like how we record deaths and how we treat people with mental health and how we actually run the NHS – it is now fully exposed for all to see. Out of crisis comes opportunity. The opportunity to expose fraud. Just like the financial crisis. We won’t get duped again.

437199 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Scotty87, 20, #170 of 1350 🔗

Well said. I’m often surprised when well educated people make dumb statements. I don’t think they can do as much research as some of us.

437242 ▶▶ jos, replying to Scotty87, 23, #171 of 1350 🔗

We’ll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
We don’t get fooled again

The Who (not The WHO)

437378 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Scotty87, 29, #172 of 1350 🔗

It’s stunning that this man doesn’t get the terrible precedent that would be set with vaccine passports and how their implementation would ultimately justify the lockdowns he has been, apparently, so dead set against all this time.

I just can’t get my head around how many mental midgets get a public voice.

437398 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Scotty87, -15, #173 of 1350 🔗

Another piece of controlled opposition fuck off posh boy cunt.

437727 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jaguarpig, 6, #174 of 1350 🔗

Not only wrong, but obnoxious with it. You should be in government.

437629 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Scotty87, 15, #175 of 1350 🔗

The first para refers explicitly to ordinary travel passports. When Guy mentions their contribution to national security by keeping out “maniacs,” I take him to mean potential terrorists.
I am disappointed, however, that yet another respected sceptic has now chosen to support the vaxx programme, especially with such uncharacteristically flimsy justification.

437729 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve F, 4, #176 of 1350 🔗

He’s justifying it to himself, but hopefully the jab will see him off.

438133 ▶▶ Woden, replying to Scotty87, 3, #177 of 1350 🔗

I get better ‘philosophy’ from the blokes who come around keeping my house upright and heated.

438225 ▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Scotty87, 3, #178 of 1350 🔗

Surely, the ‘consequences’ that I have to face as someone who won’t be getting vaccinated are perfectly obvious and straightorward: I won’t have the protection against the coronavirus that the vaccinated have (or we’re told they have it). That’s the disadvantage, and it’s a disadvantage I’m perfectly happy to accept, just as I have the disadvantage of not being allowed to drive because I’ve never obtained a driving licence. No sane person would suggest that the lack of a driving licence should also bar me from going abroad or attending a rock concert.

437104 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 37, #179 of 1350 🔗

When the government loses the Daily Mail, they’ve lost the people. Whatever you think of it, it’s the People’s Paper. This is OVER!!

Except… it isn’t. As this falls apart (and I think it will all collapse faster than we imagine) people are going to start waking up from the illusion very quickly. They will start “snapping too“ as if coming around from a hypnotist’s control. (Because that is basically what they’ve been under!) They are going to be upset, confused and angry. I know “we” are upset and angry – not so much confused, more very, very angry – and I know I’ve said it often on here before, about forgiveness, and the feeling has been very UNFORGIVING, BUT… we will NOT progress if we berate people or taunt them for their behaviour. And that includes some of our leaders and journalists… most of whom have been just as misled as everyone else. We have to use compassion, forgiveness and understanding. Remember, they have been victims of a military grade psychological war. They fell foul of bullets we dodged. Just be kind.

437112 ▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 32, #180 of 1350 🔗

Weeeeeell – they didn’t have to deliberately step in front if the firing squad, did they?

437121 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Annie, 40, #181 of 1350 🔗

Ceaușescu balcony moments coming up for several pols with luck, Australian tennis booing was the first trickle of the flood let’s hope.

437160 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 12, #182 of 1350 🔗

This is the moment when the crowd start booing, not just a few catcalls rather a massive roar.

h/t Carl Vernon youtube

437137 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 10, #183 of 1350 🔗

But Annie… read the brilliant blog by Dr. Gary Sidley. They were hypnotised into stepping there by the EXPERT behavioural insights team.

437161 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #184 of 1350 🔗

BIT crowd need to join SAGE @ Nuremberg 2.

437329 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #185 of 1350 🔗

Doh.

437116 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 88, #186 of 1350 🔗

I understand the sentiment and I won’t be going out of my way to ‘berate or taunt’ anyone. But I simply cannot forgive the way I have been treated by a lot of people in the last year. I have been treated like a leper and on occasion been told I am complicit in trying to harm people. That is not easily forgotton nor forgiven. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.

437117 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 77, #187 of 1350 🔗

And if I may add, a significant number of people have positively relished lording it over us: the local authority, the police, the snitches. Why should I show any compassion to them – they knew what they were doing.

437152 ▶▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to kh1485, 47, #188 of 1350 🔗

To right my friend you appear to have been a target for the covid Marshalls you should show no compassion for the bastards, hard working businesses hounded for no reason, it’s payback time for Traitors..

437742 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #189 of 1350 🔗

I think there’s a difference between the scared witless that CnC is defending and the horrible jobsworths encountered by KH. Discernment is key.

437246 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #190 of 1350 🔗

Exactly. You have stared at evil in the face and tried to fight it as much as you can.

437671 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to kh1485, 11, #191 of 1350 🔗

I absolutely agree with you and I feel no inclination to forgive or forget the self-righteousness, the arrogance and the plain bloody rudeness from people I once got along with pretty well.

437118 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 14, #192 of 1350 🔗

Au contraire, you are the one righteous person that might save horrible Saffron Walden from being consumed by fire from heaven.

437123 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 21, #193 of 1350 🔗

I think it’s beyond saving Annie (at my last count, ten business premises now up for let).

Two customers yesterday, visiting from a neighbouring town, commented on how sad it now looks.

437133 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 33, #194 of 1350 🔗

It must be awful. And I remember the well-kept streets, the flourishing shops, the friendly, bustling Saturday market, browsing for an hour or more in the historic Sun Inn (converted into a delightfully convoluted second-hand bookshop), and, of course, the café where I enjoyed so many coffee-and-teacakes after my shopping. All presided over by the glorious church, often ringing with a wedding peal.

Truly the Devil has been at work.

It was the Sun Inn that housed the Saffron Walden debates, which preceded the Putney debates. Ah, the days when brave and honest men debated wisely, eloquently, respectfully and rationally over the nature of freedom.

437138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 14, #195 of 1350 🔗

To be honest, the rot set in years ago – all the lovely antique shops now long gone; the regular furniture auction, now a thing of the past. The market still exists, just. Though how watch repairs and posh, expensive English sparkling wine stalls are permitted right now, I am not sure. Hoping that the lovely veg stall guy is back today as he’s been away for about three weeks – hopefully just having a break and not gone for good.

437218 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 4, #196 of 1350 🔗

If it’s the same guy, he was the high point of my Saturdays.

437313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annie, 9, #197 of 1350 🔗

The one who ‘darlings’ and ‘sweethearts’ you …? Just been there and was lovely to be treated like a human being. But, groan, the bloody council have put up crash barriers so his customers can be herded -twats.

437333 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, 6, #198 of 1350 🔗

Darlings and sweethearts, that’s the one!
Your council needs putting in a bear pit with some very, very hungry bears.

437581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 6, #199 of 1350 🔗

Our market in BSE gave that up very soon.
Sadly a lot of stalls are not here, maybe they are not allowed?
In autumn they banned stall holders from parking their vans behind the stall, we lost at least 4 due to that, and very good ones, too. It wasn’t a problem, but the council claimed they needed the space to put the stalls further apart. There was quite a few people who complained to the council.
We now have a lot of “food trucks”, very popular with our Americans, and last Saturday it was nearly impossible to walk through that section as people stood “sd” to wait for food or order.
When I first moved here the market was well known and coaches would come for a day out, bringing trade to local pubs and cafes as well. Now it is half the size it used to be.

437154 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 32, #200 of 1350 🔗

No compassion should be shown for Traitors if I can see through the lies and bullshit there’s no excuse for any one else, these people who have gone along with this shit show are weak feeble human beings,who hopefully will pay the price for there compliance and total disregard for freedom and democracy..

437167 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 27, #201 of 1350 🔗

There are a hardcore of criminals in the regime who know exactly what they have done.For them there should be no forgiveness but the majority of the population who have gone along with this,have been subjected to a psychological attack by a government,who have used behavioural scientists and the army against them using the full force of the modern media.

437297 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #202 of 1350 🔗

On the other hand the plebs have mostly been unemployed and locked out of life as we also have, yet haven’t in all that time sought out any alternative views, though WE have. A quick glance through GooTube would’ve been enough for goodness sake….

437157 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 30, #203 of 1350 🔗

We haven’t won anything yet.Im sure the government has a few new variants and apocalyptic models up its sleeve.
I believe it’s policy it’s to delay reopening as long as it is able,and if it can get to Autumn,it can then ramp up the fear again, with natural seasonal respiratory diseases.

437232 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to jonathan Palmer, 24, #204 of 1350 🔗

My fear too. These evil bastards know they got it totally wrong (my belief is still massive cock up followed by prolonged arse covering conspiracy). They will keep the narrative going as long as they possibly can to avoid the day of reckoning. One swallow in the Daily Mail does not make a summer. Lots of people are much too highly invested in this to let it die without a fight.

437200 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #205 of 1350 🔗

I’m hoping for a good Spring and Summer that should put this Scam to bed once and for all.

437253 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 20, #206 of 1350 🔗

You raised good points and I will not go out of my way to taunt or berate people but I will find it hard to forgive and forget. As I’ve said several times, if people want to go “let bygones be bygones” I will give them short shrift.

Family and friends are the worst. They have treated me like a leper with some accusing me of wanting people to die and being called names like “covidiot.” They may apologise but the damage has been done.

I know I will sound bad here but there will be a degree of schadenfreude on my part if they get hit with tax rises or their pensions lose in value. Or they have to clear up the mess inflicted on their children due to this shit show.

437306 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #207 of 1350 🔗

This should be voiced as I Told You So… no need to argue at that point

437740 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #208 of 1350 🔗

Thank you for this. Just what I’ve been trying to say all along.

438406 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #209 of 1350 🔗

Everyone has had the same internet to find real information. I don’t buy this „oh I was brainwashed“ excuse. They CHOOSE to watch the mainstream media. They CHOOSE to swallow all the bullsh*t. Real information IS available. We realized back in April last year that this was bogus.

437120 Annie, replying to Annie, 12, #210 of 1350 🔗

I.e.l.le.s sont fo.u.lle.s ces Français.e.s.

What will happen when the woke Germans get going, with their three genders?

437587 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, 3, #211 of 1350 🔗

It is already bad with using the male and female word or /in.
For example Freund/in (friend), even where sometimes you could do the /, they write the whole words Mit meinen Freund/ meiner Freundin getroffen.
Or when you could use the neutral plural, Journalisten, it is Journalist und Journalistinnen.

438248 ▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Silke David, #212 of 1350 🔗

mit mein em Freund

437126 Mike, replying to Mike, 5, #213 of 1350 🔗

Seemed a heavy regurgitation of the news rags today…

437209 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Mike, 1, #214 of 1350 🔗

Jonathan Barr.

437128 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #215 of 1350 🔗

(like a bird that flew) through the fog and filthy air

Macduff’s sword broke in our prep school performance but he still killed the gloomy Scotsman (heroic stuff).

437326 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #216 of 1350 🔗

And his head was brought in on a pike.
I remember a Ngaio Marsh story about a performance in which the head brought in was a real one.
Good stuff.

437144 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 65, #217 of 1350 🔗

That Van-Tam could suggest people DON’T spend their entire weekend outside enjoying the sunshine when we all CRITICALLY need a boost of Vitamin D (which has been proved to help people ward of colds INCLUDING Covid ones) is nothing short of criminal.

437153 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 31, #218 of 1350 🔗

Yes the stay indoor orders to combat that spreads overwhelmingly, if not totally indoors is insane. No surprise to me the shutdowns, especially the winter versions are such a total and abject fail.

The best protection is to be outside more, unless you pull up the drawbridge never let anyone in the house and never go shopping.

437156 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #219 of 1350 🔗

As long as when you are indoors you keep the windows open to the let the covid out or is it in or is for fresh air, anyway, keep those windows open

437170 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 14, #220 of 1350 🔗

I’m not sure we can make Vitamin D yet in the UK, it’s only February and the Sun is still quite low in the sky, but this does not make Van Tam any less of a tit

437183 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 9, #221 of 1350 🔗

We can’t make vitamin D yet but think of all the other benefits of fresh air and exercise. If we get fitter and less weighty those lifestyle diseases will drop off faster than a virus can say boo!

437751 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 7, #222 of 1350 🔗

Too early for vit-D manufacture but the fresh oxygen is therapeutic and seeing the spring flowers is a tonic.

437595 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #223 of 1350 🔗

I do not want to criticise your comment, but the sun is not strong enough at this time of year to induce Vit D production, according to science, at this time of year.
Still, people should be encouraged to go out and enjoy the sunshine as it will lift spirits as the light will still have an impact.

438139 ▶▶ Woden, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #224 of 1350 🔗

This is the point, every fucking thing they advise or order is anti physical and mental health, the crap beggars belief

437145 PatrickF, 31, #225 of 1350 🔗

Morning. It’s a lovely day in Kent, so I’m going outdoors to wreck this now.

437147 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 19, #226 of 1350 🔗

Scally is a nutter, way beyond David Icke but he get’s regular air time on the MSM. The desire for such an authoritarian future burns bright in many who believe they will be on the elite side of the line. From so called journalists, police, council leaders, teachers etc. Our local council offices are out of bounds other than for a junta of 100 leaders. The building has a capacity for thousands but anybody outside the elite is persona non grata.

That is why the likes of Scally and Ferguscum, are not generally seen like a David Icke. The desire to be the dictator spreads far more than just the chief pig dictator himself. So these mini dictators are more than ready to spread the fear.

437316 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to nottingham69, 2, #227 of 1350 🔗

If Scally was cast as an SS Officer in a movie, he’d fit the role perfectly.

437379 ▶▶▶ WilliamC, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #228 of 1350 🔗

He’s a joyless, anti-human, medtech fascist. In a healthy society, people like Scally, Van Tam and Michie would be under constant supervision and certainly not allowed access to media platforms. None of them looks like they have seen sunshine for years.

437148 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 36, #229 of 1350 🔗

There is a danger happiness levels may increase. The H rate is currently at one. One happy person transmits their happiness to another person. This may lead to a smile and in a worst case scenario, a chuckle and then we’ll all be getting our titters out!

437195 ▶▶ CGL, replying to PatrickF, 3, #230 of 1350 🔗

Titter-ye-not

437216 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CGL, 9, #231 of 1350 🔗

The virus dies on human happiness.

437155 Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 23, #232 of 1350 🔗

Hey kapo Van-Tam. I’m very sorry if you were bullied at school but please don’t take it out on us.

437164 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Robin Birch, 17, #233 of 1350 🔗

Definitely a disturbing character, the only health person that ever seemed to have any of the ‘Call the Midwife’, old style NHS common sense about her was Jenny Harries. But she seems to have been sidelined, obviously not quite deranged enough.

437390 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #234 of 1350 🔗

She committed the cardinal sin of not being’ mask friendly’

437163 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 35, #236 of 1350 🔗

I don’t know why the Daily Mail has suddenly woken up to the fact that corona deaths have been a con. This was well known last year but MSM had bought into the scam, lock stock and smoking barrels. Now the blinkers are falling away will we start seeing some proper journalism at long last. ?

Now take back our freedom they have stolen.

437264 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #237 of 1350 🔗

Perhaps the gov sponsered NHS advert spend is on the wane and it’s back to dog eat dog?

437318 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Robin Birch, 7, #238 of 1350 🔗

It’s probably lurking on local radio stations – if the one here is anything to go by. Nation Radio (Ceredigion) and I clicked a couple of days ago the female announcer was there doing the joyous-joyous-bring-out-the-bells thing about one of her parents having the jab/think the other one was about to and exulting that it would be her own turn soon. Said Joyous Announcer proceeded to talk in terms of it being “the happiest day of their life” about this (think that was the fathers vax she was on about at that point). She was very full-on. Errrr…hello….the phrase “Best day of their life” gets used in the context of getting married or having a wanted child and it felt very sad to hear it misused like this.

Cue for me putting a complaint up on that radio stations Facebook page and asking for her personal viewpoint putting to stop. Cue for the very next day at around the same time – there she is again doing her “Rejoice Rejoice – the vax” tirade again and my comment had been removed from the Facebook page. Time for a switch-over to Radio 2 and the remembrance that the local station does have an awful lot of Lockdown advertising….

437320 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #239 of 1350 🔗

Funny how it takes just for one “journalist” to be affected/upset for the tone to change

437166 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 14, #240 of 1350 🔗

I note today there is a reference above to a seminal novel written in 1948.

I learnt yesterday a very nice old chap called Henry Deakin had died, he had been ailing for a year or two now. When he was a very young lad back in the ’40s Henry went to visit his uncle up in Scotland. He and his uncle and a few others went on a boating trip. They got in to trouble in rough water and the boat upturned. Henry probably saved the day – but he was always self effacing about the incident. Had he not saved the day they’d be no such references like the one made today above. His uncle was called Eric Blair.

437215 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #241 of 1350 🔗

It wasn’t just rough water, it was Corryvreckan! They survived by a miracle – and thanks to Henry.

437169 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 27, #242 of 1350 🔗

If we could step into a time machine and fast forward to February 2022, what would we want to have done looking back on the year? What will make this next year full of purpose? What is the most useful thing we could do? What do we want to avoid?

Every day is a new beginning. We are now aware of the plans to come. We don’t know exactly how they will pan out, but we have a fair idea. We could sit around and hope this will all stop. We can moan and grieve, or we can act. Do we push our energy into getting off grid and leaving the world behind? Do we protest, where we can, and push back against these evil measures? Do we let go of friends or will we miss them? What happens if our old friends wake up, have we already said too much and pushed them away? Will we regret saying too much or too little? Will we take the vaccine and subsequent passport, because we’re so desperate to be free, or will we accept freedom must come outside the system? We are at a crossroads and the direction we choose will have a profound impact on where we are in a year. We also need to wake up. I believe the time is NOW to work out how to live outside of the new normal.

437201 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Liberty, 9, #243 of 1350 🔗

I’ll just be glad if I’m still here to look back on 2021 and if all of my loved ones are still here too

437256 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liberty, 11, #244 of 1350 🔗

The very least any of us can do this weekend is go for a lengthy unmasked stroll in the park, meeting and greeting as many other naked faces as seems reasonable.

437259 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Liberty, 4, #245 of 1350 🔗

I think this is a very interesting question. Maybe we should think of the local elections as the first step?
Who should we vote for to make our discontent heard?

437870 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to MFvH, 1, #246 of 1350 🔗

Heritage Party?

437171 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 10, #247 of 1350 🔗

This is absolutely pathetic – you begin with ‘R’ which is an invention of modellers and means nothing. You go on to the Spectator talking about infection rates – we have no reliable way of knowing who is infected, or with what I might add. I will not trouble myself with anything else atl and scroll down to see if my pals have anything illuminating btl.

437767 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bungle, 1, #248 of 1350 🔗

Exactly! When I realised there was no critical comment about the Van Tam nonsense, I knew without looking who was responsible for today’s update. Pathetic!

437172 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 62, #249 of 1350 🔗

Fuck this,as this shit show starts to fall apart there should be no compassion or forgiveness shown for those who have collaborated in this holocaust on human rights and the hard won freedoms that have been taken away..Men died over Berlin and on the beaches of Normandy to protect those freedoms,the fuckers and bastards that have sullied that sacrifice deserve no forgiveness non what so ever..

437181 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 40, #250 of 1350 🔗

Exactly. People who supported this shit show and actively colluded in it when going “let bygones be bygones” should be given short shrift.

And those who will claim that they were against lockdown all along should be made to be reminded for the rest of their lives that they were not.

And those who grassed on their neighbours? I will look the other way when karma comes to visit them.

Never forgive, never forget, never again.

437193 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #251 of 1350 🔗

Sums it up Bart..

437190 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #252 of 1350 🔗

A comment to this falling a part. Twitter and the interenet lit up yesterday re Salmond killing off Sturgeon. In amongst the fevered hurbris many comments were to the effect that c19 is bs – to use the time saving code. These comments were not argued, they were accepted. Not reinforced or doubled down on but not decried as awesomely dangerous etc.

C19 poisoned rhetoric (propaganda) is not anywhere near as potent as it was 6 months ago.

437205 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Basics, 15, #253 of 1350 🔗

You bet Basics it’s crumbling now.it was always going to be the case once the better weather arrived..

437245 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 23, #254 of 1350 🔗

I have cut out the collaborators from my life many months ago, including siblings and very close family. I will not waste any energy on them .

They say that karma is a bitch , I will let the universe take care of them.

437258 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to merlin, 22, #255 of 1350 🔗

Agree. I’m done with my family too, the low point was my dad and brother-in-law trying to bully me.

They can stick themselves to where the sun don’t shine.

437286 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to merlin, 8, #256 of 1350 🔗

Merlin I have done the same,as I have said in past posts I’ve been lucky most of my friends and family are skeptics those that weren’t I have disowned..

437304 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #257 of 1350 🔗

Spot on Bruce. I did post the figures up late yesterday, but in case you didn’t see them, here they are again

In WWII there were 384,000 soldiers killed in combat, but a higher civilian death toll ( 70,000 , as opposed to 2,000 in WWI), largely due to German bombing raids during the Blitz: 40,000 civilians died in the seven-month period between September 1940 and May 1941, almost half of them in London.

Link:
The Fallen

437386 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to isobar, 1, #258 of 1350 🔗

Thanks for that isobar..

437334 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #259 of 1350 🔗

These men died for us to be free – if WE do not live a FREE life, they died in vain and we learned nothing

437387 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Barbara Baker, 5, #260 of 1350 🔗

Barbara spot on comment..

437173 Basics, replying to Basics, 21, #261 of 1350 🔗

Dentist Prof (honorary- no one knows what hi did to get it despite searching) Leech is miffed Prof (real actual one) Woolhouse has said the evidence doesn’t show corona vee wasn’t nearly squashed out of existence in Scotland last summer.

We know what you did last Summer Mr Leech.

Anyway, Leech has an article all about him and his thoughts in the Scotsman – https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-scotland-jason-leitch-disagrees-with-scottish-government-adviser-on-whether-virus-was-almost-eliminated-last-summer-3148562

Bug-eyed Sridhar is also on the we nearly had it myth making committee. All of them untrustable and a squabble set up to distract from other scottish goings on.

Nik nak the great niktator is doomed and in her death throws as dear leader. Salmond put together 6 hours of live truth yesterday which stuck in and twisted so many knives that people across the land are waking up to empty cutlery draws. Her and her cabal are seen and outed.

Even after the 6 hours, the investigating committee were so beguiled by mr salmonds compelling evidences they followed his kind suggestion and used the Scotland Act to pull prohibited evidence from his own solicitors. Evidence the niknak cabal members in the Crown Office had stopped access to for fear of uncovering the truth.

It is a wonderful sunny Spring morning as the thickest of dark nights and Scotvh mists leaves the land.

The poison is leaving the land as light penetrates all corners. Vampires like lieech and bug-eyes are likely to left out in the open friendless, alone and seen for what they are.

Another week and high drama and developmfnts to come. This time the people will be lied to by Blinky McBlinkalot and her pet lord advocate.

Send all popcorn to Scotland.

437212 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basics, 7, #262 of 1350 🔗

One for Dungford and the Dung Gang in Gulag Wales:

Mae teg oleuni blaen y wawr
o wlad i wlad yn dweud yn awr
fod bore ddydd gerllaw;
mae pen y bryniau’n llawenhau
wrth weld yr haul yn agosáu
a’r nos yn cilio draw.

Translation, doesn’t do justice to the original, which also goes to. splendid tune:

Now the fair light before the dawn is saying, from land to land, that the morning is near: the hilltops rejoice as they see the sun approaching, and the night falls back and away.

437176 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 50, #263 of 1350 🔗

The only people wrecking things are the mad scientists.

They’re wrecking our relationships, our jobs, our economy, our healthcare system and our sanity.

How dare Van Tam tell us we might wreck things. We have been told that beach transmission did not happen, so therefore we can all meet anyone we want outside and it will make NO difference. What’s he scared of, that we might prove him to be a fraud?

437194 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liberty, 20, #264 of 1350 🔗

I think your last question is the answer – people will and are realising that they’ve been had.

437294 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #265 of 1350 🔗

Yes and not before time, fraudsters the lot of them

437178 wendyk, 31, #266 of 1350 🔗

On Professor McGrogan’s timely piece: informed consent has been sidelined ‘for the greater good’ and informed dissent has been suppressed by means of the weaponising effect of such blatantly manipulative slogans as ‘ don’t kill granny’.

Yesterday, I watched Jason Leitch in a Scotgov advert issue the following: ‘It takes all of us to protect us’.

The implication is obvious; no space for selfish heretics.

For many years now, I’ve adopted my own way in terms of personal standards of conduct and convictions, encountering much opposition along the way.

Apologies to all if this seems priggish and preachy; it isn’t. Only recently, in a lively discussion with a British Gas engineer, I pointed out that it is tiring and frequently troubling, to maintain autonomy in the face of social pressure, whether familial or media led, and to accept the ultimate need for personal responsibility.

The fact that figures in government and the media have systematically encouraged and propagandised such supine self righteous unthinking compliance is frankly astounding.

Too many of the movers and shakers are celebrating their influence, their power, their affluence and the smug assumption that poverty, recession, despair, anomie and anger will not come knocking at their doors.

As for Owen Jones, he of the memorable flouncy exit from a Sky News discussion, what can one say?

Truly the stultissimus mundi.

Self righteousness, arrogance, ad hominem attacks on reputable respected experts and all this nonsense from a self professed crusader for progressive causes.

Truly awful.

Here endeth today’s diatribe.

437182 Thumb, replying to Thumb, 23, #267 of 1350 🔗

Ross Clarke writes “ But why should the decline in new infections be slowing down?”

I think there’s a pretty obvious answer to this:

The PCR test returns a number of false positives. Earlier in this mess, Matt Hancock put this at 1% (although he didn’t understand what that meant) but I’m not sure there is an agreed figure for this.

Anyhow, let’s say, because it is a nice round number that 500,000 tests return 10,000 false positives (2% FPR, I know, but I’m only using it for illustration).

So, if we have 100,000 positive tests, 10,000 are false positives. A fall of 10,000 positive tests would appear to be a 10% reduction, but because only 90,000 tests are real positives, the reduction is actually 11%. By the same measure, a fall of 25,000 appears as a 25% reduction but is actually a 28% reduction.

No, let’s say the number of positive tests is 50,000. A fall of 10,000 would appear to be a decline of 20%, but because the false positives continue to account for 10,000 results, the actual drop is 25%.

As we approach the FPR, the disparity between the figures and the truth becomes more stark. If we have 20,000 positive tests, 10,000 are false. That means that a drop of 5,000 appears to be a 25% decline but is actually 50%. Or conversely, a 12.5% drop of 2,500 is actually a 25% drop.

As you will see, the rate of decline appears to fall as the false positive increase as a proportion of positive tests. When we reach 11,000, if the number of positives declines by 1,000, that will be a 100% drop in actual positives but a mere 9% drop in the apparent cases.

And of course, once we get to the FPR, no further decline is possible.

So, my view is that the decline in cases is probably not slowing at all, but merely reflects the fact that we are approaching zero actual cases and that the data comprises only false positives.

437404 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Thumb, 7, #268 of 1350 🔗

Yep totally agree. The fact they are doing 600k tests and can barely get 10k positives proves its all FPR. And nobody us getting a test done. It must just be care home and nhs repeats and people in hospital. And we all know how well protected you are in hospital! Of course in March they start the child abuse of testing every poor kid. Why are parents allowing this?

437186 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 28, #269 of 1350 🔗

I see the January monthly deaths with causes were published by the ons this week, Everything way down on the five year average and replaced by covid, funny that! Same as every other month since the start of this fiasco.
Add in the Mail story about the number of deaths stuck as covid when really they were not and you would think even the thickest of the public could put two and two together.
No chance of the buffoon ever getting it though, but hopefully the media will latch onto the scandal being a better story than the disease sometime soon. Then hopefully handjob and the others will be held to account.
Suns out, plenty of cars out and about as am I and I will be out enjoying myself as much as you can these days as will millions of others.
Go out, have a life, protect your sanity.

437227 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Ballard, 10, #270 of 1350 🔗

Strolling on the beach or just going to the park are about the only leisure outlets left to us. Plod will have a busy weekend if they choose to get involved.
They can read the Daily Mail just like the rest if us.

437298 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to John Ballard, #271 of 1350 🔗

Do you mean the privileged, racist buffoon?

437332 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Bungle, 1, #272 of 1350 🔗

Not sure if he is racist, but he’s definitely privileged and a weak willed buffoon. Never trust a man with fly away hair !

437188 Marg, replying to Marg, 30, #273 of 1350 🔗

I am trying to work out what planet Van Tam is on. It has been well established for centuries that fresh air is good for you. (Matt Hancock excepted). We even hear of schools having to sit with windows open in the freezing cold. It’s now confirmed that people flocking the beach last summer didn’t add to the numbers. Roll on summer he will be beside himself.

437197 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Marg, 24, #274 of 1350 🔗

Live in Cornwall and we were packed all summer including handjob coming on his holidays! Local media was moaning about the holiday makers bringing covid…..what happened…..nothing!!! Pubs were packed as were restaurants and we were tier one till Xmas. We had a spike in cases post Xmas when testing was ramped up and more test centres opened and everyone encouraged to get a test. Zoe app shows us back to autumn levels, no need for lockdown everything could be open with sensible guidelines or truth be told no guidelines at all !!! Absolute farce

437202 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John Ballard, 9, #275 of 1350 🔗

Same here on the south coast, last summer, couldnt move, never seen the beaches so full, and we’ve had some of the lowest numbers and the large hospital has never been overwhelmed, the MP has been quite good in keeping people informed on this.

437206 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to John Ballard, 10, #276 of 1350 🔗

Exactly the same here in Pembrokeshire last summer, complete with whingeing local zombies.

437263 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Annie, 7, #277 of 1350 🔗

Annie, I really feel for you living in Zombieville-by-the-sea – it’s only an hour or so to West Wales where the beaches are full of happy, unmasked picnickers. Do come
and visit and enjoy this sunny weather on my local beach. Email me at anmaidrinrua(@)gmail.com.

437322 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Melangell, 1, #278 of 1350 🔗

I am in West Wales! Maybe I’ve got the local zombies out of proportion. There are plenty of humans about as well.

437220 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Ballard, 13, #279 of 1350 🔗

Local Live published a long distance photo to show the ‘covidiot crowds’ on a local beach during lockdown lite.
An old sea dog from the town pointed out that he could identify the month in 2019 when that photo was taken from the flotsam & jetsam left after a fierce storm.

437235 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to John Ballard, 13, #280 of 1350 🔗

Some locals have even posted on Cornwall Live that tourists should be banned this year entirely. This would give the county the opportunity to ‘recover’ apparently….

437244 ▶▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to bluemoon, 12, #281 of 1350 🔗

You can’t fix stupid ! So many jobs rely on tourism, mine doesn’t, but we are no different to anywhere else and should get on with life. I’m Cornish but we have as many stupid locals as everywhere else.

437330 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to bluemoon, 2, #282 of 1350 🔗

In rejoinder to that sort of idea – I’m busily encouraging “trading” between people providing holiday accommodation and those wanting it. I’d rather do my tiny bit to help keep the local economy going. That was a good link recently to that Facebook group that has just started up for awake people and full use is being made of it.

437413 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to bluemoon, #283 of 1350 🔗

I presume Cornwall Live is full of retired people and the WFH mob. Bet Rick Stein is not a member? Or anyone working for Cornish Horizons?

437243 ▶▶▶ Marg, replying to John Ballard, 13, #284 of 1350 🔗

Hopefully by summer MH won’t be able to show his face in Cornwall or anywhere else. He is so blatant with his lies, he will soon find out who his friends are.

437328 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Marg, 3, #285 of 1350 🔗

And which pubs etc would welcome him???

438198 ▶▶▶ FW, replying to John Ballard, #286 of 1350 🔗

It wasn’t just the summer; l live in Cornwall too, and everyone was saying it was incredibly full and busy in the autumn too, way more than usual. Only Covid conspicuous by its absence. Perhaps it’s all the fresh air?

437324 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Marg, 3, #287 of 1350 🔗

Yes let’s all get out there hugging and no SD

437647 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Marg, 2, #288 of 1350 🔗

In the Spanish flu days it was readily noticed that bedridden patients had far better outcomes if they spent time outside in the sunshine.

They had to do this because there was an actual lack of hospital capacity in that legitimate pandemic.

437192 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 43, #289 of 1350 🔗

Time for Van Tam to exit stage right.

Another nonentity who was thrust into the limelight because of this shit show and had had his ego stoked by the press and public hanging on to his every word. Revelling in the spotlight while the rest of the country suffered.

As the days go longer and winter turns into spring many people are starting to wake up – the goalposts keep shifting but untreated illnesses are left to fester, the march towards high unemployment & bankruptcy continues as is the increase in mental health.

He’s overstayed his welcome and needs to go. Followed by arrest and incarcertation in the Tower.

437203 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #290 of 1350 🔗

Maybe the Germans would let him have Hess’s cell in Spandau.

437275 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 3, #291 of 1350 🔗

Or can we rent Lyubyanka from Putin?

438314 ▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to Annie, #292 of 1350 🔗

The prison was pulled down a long time ago, shortly after Hess was murdered by the British, in fact.

437208 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 42, #293 of 1350 🔗

Indeed. All the talking heads who have done nothing but doom-monger for months now desperately don’t want this to end. Before 2020, had the average member of the public ever heard of Neil Ferguson, or JVT? Once it is over, they will have to go back to being irrelevant again. Frankly, as for SAGE members, they have no reason to go on TV and start sounding off about what the public ‘should’ be doing – they are an advisory body to the government and it’s unprofessional for them to talk to the press outside their government advice.

I’ve always thought that in a real crisis, the government and its ‘experts’ would do everything they could to calm people down and reassure them, not dial up the fear, bullying, and coercion.

437213 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Poppy, 19, #294 of 1350 🔗

In my opinion, when (if) it’s all over, Neil and JVT should be right up there on the stage in front of the Nation, in the glare of massive publicity (as they are charged and condemned for crimes against humanity!).

437240 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to iane, 18, #295 of 1350 🔗

Add in Vallance, Shitless and Wancock and the entire SAGE Shyte Show.

Doris ‘outsourced’ all of this to SAGE to distance himself so he would not be tainted. But he in the end is responsible for this massive destruction in lives, society and health. Doris needs to be charged with murder and more.

437251 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to FerdIII, 18, #296 of 1350 🔗

For me this is key. Like it or not, as PM, Doris has a duty of care for the health and wealth of our nation. Total failure, he should be thrown to the wolves.

437321 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to iane, 8, #297 of 1350 🔗

Can we throw stones at them?

437416 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Janette, 3, #298 of 1350 🔗

Naah be like the monkeys in the animation Madagascar! “Of course we’re going to throw poo!! “

437257 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Poppy, 10, #299 of 1350 🔗

As somebody has already pointed out – a life threatening deadly pandemic advertises itself, the plebs are unable to see that UKG are doing it arse about face

437273 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 17, #300 of 1350 🔗

Agree. And if it was a genuine pandemic why would they need heavy handed policing, fines, threats and Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy adverts? The evidence would have been staring at us in the face.

Well said too about the unprofessionalism of Sage – not only by appearing on on TV and mouthing off what should be done but also the likes of Susan Mitchie seemingly relishing the opportunity to carry out cruel experiments on the public.

They should be made to pay big time. The lingering effects of this will carry on even after we have departed from this planet.

437344 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Poppy, 5, #301 of 1350 🔗

In a real crisis, they would.

437811 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Poppy, 3, #302 of 1350 🔗

In a real war they would be trying to prevent panic. In the “war” on Covid they have encouraged it.

437255 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #303 of 1350 🔗

He attended the Chatham House PowerPoint presentation on how to market a ‘pandemic’ and is revelling in his new found stardom and is following the script like a seasoned actor.

Can’t wait to see him doing the Argentine tango on strictly come prancing.

A complete non-entity.

437276 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 1, #304 of 1350 🔗

Yep. Or end up in I’m a Celebrity being made to eat bugs.

437295 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #305 of 1350 🔗

I’m a celebrity get me out of Spandau prison

437198 Londo Mollari, 17, #306 of 1350 🔗

You can tell it’s a Jonathan Barr day. I am already demoralised by Von Tampax and his hideous visage.

437204 Jinks, 14, #307 of 1350 🔗

On the bus, to catch my train, to go to my closest farmers market. No mask. Driver only played the “masks must be worn” message, only once (for a change). No-one really about. Bus and high street looks empty. So 😥 .

437207 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 27, #308 of 1350 🔗

I’m so hungover…

went to a mates house and drank FAR TOO MUCH RED WINE.

Please think about the choices you make today.

437319 ▶▶ Annie, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 6, #309 of 1350 🔗

You made a good choice yesterday, my friend.
I won’t bang the door as I leave.

437421 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, #310 of 1350 🔗

Haha, did our Friday night zoom quiz, we were doing ok till she who must be obeyed said shall we open another bottle? Didn’t do so well on the last two rounds. Was fun though.

437612 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 1, #311 of 1350 🔗

My choice is to sample a few Imperial Stouts whilst watching Leeds United. Get in. MOT.

437210 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 55, #312 of 1350 🔗

German federal states defying Merkel and relaxing restrictions:

“We are destroying livelihoods. And by the way also the state finances ”, said Volker Bouffier, the regional leader of Hesse, home to Germany’s financial capital Frankfurt.
Losing his temper, Mr Bouffier predicted next week’s talks will be “a mess, wild yapping from the chancellery to Bavaria and back, and in the end the people will be driven insane”.

Proper cracks are appearing now.

437296 ▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 24, #313 of 1350 🔗

Yes definitely, in the US Net tightening around Cuomo in NY and Newsen in California. Sturgeon unlikely to survive much longer. Mail and Telegraph have gone sceptic (for now) – saw a comment earlier about government ad revenues drying up – made me think – actually this haven’t see propaganda anywhere near as much – the Telegraph website seemed to be permanently running it. The sun is shining and people are out and about. Don’t know how this ends but the genie is out of the bottle..

437317 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 5, #314 of 1350 🔗

Say yes to Hesse!

437627 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #315 of 1350 🔗

As a native German and regular reader of news from North Germany, which did not have many +, although some areas, like everywhere else in the world, are now catching up, I do not see this. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, which relies heavily on tourism and is a region now testing a lot +, does not want tourists for Easter.
For some reason flower shops are allowed to open, even in Bavaria, I think. Yes, apparently even Soeder is starting to talk about easing restrictions, he who was the first to lock down. I guess as he is now not in with a chance to succeed Mutti, he is looking to gain support by trying to be human.
Duesseldorf now has brought in a by-law that on the main shopping street you have to keep moving. No sitting down, no stopping to even catch your breath as your mnc makes you feel faint.

437211 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 40, #316 of 1350 🔗

Good to finally read some Fake News investigation on the Data Fraud. Massive it is and as obvious as Xi Biden’s 35 million vote fraud. The core of the issue is the March 2020 MCCD changes, these allowed Doctors to assign CV 19 to almost anything without having to view the patient a week before their death. Add in fake PCR tests with cycles >35 and guaranteed positives even post-mortem and you have criminal fraud.

Annual deaths flu-resp-pneum past 10 years ~ 70.000
Flu deaths 2020 and 2021: ~60.000 (vs. 140.000)

So we know that 80K or so of CV 19 is normal flu-resp-pneum deaths. About 20K was recategorised from heart disease to CV 19. That leaves 20K to 30K for CV 19 – avg age of death 81 with 2 conditions….and for this, these assholes want me to ingest an experimental drug, trials uncompleted until 2023 and update my passport 2-3x a year….???

F. Off.

437238 ▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to FerdIII, 2, #317 of 1350 🔗

Great appraisal

437267 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to lincsfloody, 1, #318 of 1350 🔗

I like it a lot!

437214 isobar, replying to isobar, 34, #319 of 1350 🔗

The Penny has dropped with DM readers. Positive tests are not cases (see best rated comment)

JVT warns Britons not to ‘relax’ during this glorious weekend as cases RISE in a quarter of local authorities despite raft of new data showing lowest ever R-rate and dramatic drop in infections, hospitalisations and deaths

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9303331/Covid-symptom-tracker-app-estimates-UK-cases-levelled-9-500-day-not-shrinking.html

Best rated comment:

Positive tests are not cases 3701 upticks 502 downticks

437223 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to isobar, 20, #320 of 1350 🔗

An attempt to move goalposts. Flu deaths will plummet as they always do now in March. Ergo, these arselings need to make up ‘R #s’, ‘variants’ and concoct other propaganda to bludgeon the sheeple.

We, the majority, now need to say enough is enough, take your data fraud, your fake drugs, your fake models and your syringes, and shove them up your rectums.

437233 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to FerdIII, 6, #321 of 1350 🔗

They’ll be hoping everyone just says, ‘well that’s over’, that should never happen

437335 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to DanClarke, 5, #322 of 1350 🔗

Nope – we need to make sure it can never happen again. Time to learn the lessons of history – for once.

437315 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to FerdIII, 1, #323 of 1350 🔗

Hear hear

437221 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 9, #324 of 1350 🔗

A lot seems to be going on. We are awash with money despite throwing it at anything that moves for the last year.

437237 ▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to DanClarke, 15, #325 of 1350 🔗

We’re simply printing it, it can’t continue.
When was the last time you got a used note from a cash machine?

437222 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 16, #326 of 1350 🔗

There’s a parallel aspect to this that Awkward Git has long highlighted. A lot of bigger businesses including manufacturing places have implemented “Covid Safe” policies with either distancing and/or face coverings not to help with the fight against Covid but to cover their arse if someone sues them saying they caught Covid on premises.

If you can show that you followed guidance and did “reasonable” measures according to your risk assessment then you could be off the hook.

Because as I’ve stated here before a lot of insurance policies now have a specific clause where you aren’t covered for SARS related illnesses.

The trouble is risk assessments should be based on evidence of severe risk. Which Covid-19 does not present. It never has.

Equally it only takes one court case of a “I’m suing for catching Covid” to be kicked out as foolish and unprovable, just like the flu for this to go away.

There are people who will do the dance and follow the madness knowing it’s keeping them employed to follow the dance. The main trouble is prolonged mask wearing and what that is doing in the long term. A bit like asbetos.

437228 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mhcp, 16, #327 of 1350 🔗

Forcing diaper wearing is illegal and should be challenged. No science supports the diapers. It is dehumanising and unsafe.

With spring arriving we the majority need to take off the diapers and start shaming the Masktards.

437314 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 6, #328 of 1350 🔗

We the minority never put the filthy things on in the first place.

437312 ▶▶ Annie, replying to mhcp, 4, #329 of 1350 🔗

How can you possibly prove that you caught Covvie on anybody’s premises?

437422 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Annie, 2, #330 of 1350 🔗

You can’t but that doesn’t stop the fear of being sued if the national mood is geared to trying it on.

437225 optocarol, replying to optocarol, 39, #331 of 1350 🔗

I’m so angry!! Auckland NZ back in level 3 for 7 days. How long do our crazy PM and Minister of Health think they can do this for? She said, “ “Our goal has to be though, to get the management of covid-19 to a similar place as we do seasonally with the flu.”
WE DON’T LOCK DOWN FOR THE FLU!!

437230 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to optocarol, 9, #332 of 1350 🔗

The Flu is simply renamed now to Covid. As is pneumnia, respiratory illnesses, dying from heart disease…..

437231 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to optocarol, 8, #333 of 1350 🔗

Does she know Flu is no longer? Well at least in the UK we have none

437292 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to optocarol, 15, #334 of 1350 🔗

I have a good friend there right now covering the Americas Cup and for a long time I was so jealous, wishing we could be there too enjoying the freedom.

Now I hope he can get out in time. I think NZ is in real trouble. The shit is about to hit the fan, as winter comes in, and they are going to experience the bollocks we’ve all had to go through in 2020/21.

Zero Covid is impossible. The vaccines will only highlight how many they kill (which will prove what we’ve been saying from day one). The virus will be a bad flu year, but the reaction will be a million times worse.

Im really sorry Optocarol, I do hope you get through it okay 👍 .

437309 ▶▶ Annie, replying to optocarol, 9, #335 of 1350 🔗

It will go on for as long as the NZ goons pretend that zero Covid is possible.

437226 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 15, #336 of 1350 🔗

The letter from Johnnie of Hatton Country World reveals a lot about why his country attraction and his pub are doomed. He is obviously quite happy with the track and trace cobblers – and it really only requires a minority of his customers who are not happy with such Orwellian measures to make the difference between profit and loss.

437248 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #337 of 1350 🔗

Yup, I’d rather go to a garden centre with a nice cafe than put ip with that crap.

437283 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #338 of 1350 🔗

Exactly. He doesn’t realise that he’s partly the architect of his own destruction.

437234 The Covid Kid, 14, #339 of 1350 🔗

The new bar from Cadbury…

437247 tompenn79, 8, #340 of 1350 🔗

1984 slogan:
Keep social distance, remain beside yourself.

437249 Ovis, 11, #341 of 1350 🔗

Covid-speak has become a cant, even a language of its own. For example, ‘hold your nerve,’ means ‘shit the bed.’ Previous totalitarian regimes have abused language in a similar way.

On a different note, good to see ATL has remembered that lockdown kills, and published evidence of that. Better than a few weeks ago when we were being treated to stories about how only slightly more people died in states without lockdown. Maybe someone’s testicles have been released from a vice.

437254 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #342 of 1350 🔗

Only for England out of 27 European countries (including Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) Euromomo z scores by country show that England age group 15-44 has a mortality spike both for April/May 2020 and for Dec 20/Jan 21.

It is well known in the medical profession that the common cold is more deadly than influenza to the elderly and infirm.

‘Endemic coronaviruses OC43, HKU1, NL63, and 229E can infect the upper respiratory tract of humans, causing mild or moderate disease. Severe symptoms like pneumonia are more commonly reported in children and patients with comorbidities’

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26362#:~:text=Highlights,and%20death%20in%20healthy%20adults .

‘Rhinovirus infection in the adults was associated with significantly higher mortality and longer hospitalization when compared with influenza virus infection. Institutionalized older adults were particularly at risk.’

(‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’ NCBI Feb 2017)

So either NHS England (but not Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland) has the worst healthcare outcomes in Europe or deaths with normal age distribution, not exclusively displaying a preponderance of the aged, have been stuffed into a limited period in order to produce a spike for reasons that can only be guessed at.

It may very well be that NHS England does have the worst health outcomes in Europe because exactly the same spikes of mortality in younger age groups have been observed elsewhere, outside Europe, particularly in India during the SARS CoV 2 coronavirus epidemic.

‘When his researchers analyzed the data…….excess deaths tended to be observed in younger cohorts…….“The telltale signatures of covid just aren’t there’ ………..among the possible candidates are indirect consequences of the pandemic: wage loss, displacement, malnourishment, forced migration, and disruptions in health care—the skipped clinic visit for malaria, diabetes, TB, or hypertension. According to World Health Organization analyses, disruptions in medical care and prevention programs related to malaria, TB, and H.I.V. will have cost many more lives in sub-Saharan Africa in the past year than the coronavirus. In poorer regions, especially, infection isn’t the only way that the pandemic can cost lives.’

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/01/why-does-the-pandemic-seem-to-be-hitting-some-countries-harder-than-others

It seems unlikely, certainly to me, that a stronger case could ever be made for root and branch reform of the NHS than right now.

437841 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #343 of 1350 🔗

Well, there is the saying that a bullet in the head will kill anyone, a cold in the head only an old person.

437260 CrazyHoarse, replying to CrazyHoarse, 27, #344 of 1350 🔗

Good grief I gave up reading The Telegraph a long time ago. This is the drivel they’re now pubishing:

“Single Pfizer vaccine dose could be enough for people who have had Covid, studies show”

BREAKING NEWS: Having recovered from Rona could be enough to stop you getting it again

437266 ▶▶ l835, replying to CrazyHoarse, 33, #345 of 1350 🔗

Isn’t the vax amazing? Initially you needed a second shot within 3 weeks, then three months now you don’t. It’s efficacy has improved on its own. Now safe for children and pregnant women.

It’s becoming like holy water, soon you’ll just need to see it to be saved!

437290 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to l835, 21, #346 of 1350 🔗

As one of the most heavily vaxxed countries with the strictest lockdown, its funny that our numbers are coming down slower than places without lockdown and no vax.

437435 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to steve_w, 3, #347 of 1350 🔗

And most tested. In more ways than one!

438003 ▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to steve_w, 2, #348 of 1350 🔗

No doubt being heavily vaxxed is a precursor to being heavily taxed.

437651 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to l835, 2, #349 of 1350 🔗

I thought we required a third dose to deal with the South African variant!

437672 ▶▶▶ Alkanet, replying to l835, 4, #350 of 1350 🔗

Exactly like a holy relic to the believers, it’s even exhibited transubstantiation by self-developing the ability to no longer require sub-zero storage conditions. Can beautification and sainthood be far away?

437561 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to CrazyHoarse, 1, #351 of 1350 🔗

Are they perhaps backtracking very slightly?

437261 danny, replying to danny, 47, #352 of 1350 🔗

What a glorious day. 2021 is the year that we eradicated the flu, that Alzheimer’s fell from 28,000 to 5000. That heart disease fell from 21,000 to 4000. Respiratory diseases from 13,000 to 1000.
Meanwhile, Covid swept the nation and replaced them all, almost exactly.

437433 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to danny, 11, #353 of 1350 🔗

Its a miracle all praise the Holy covid (stay at home to heal us). Tonight’s sermon was read by pastor jvt, let us pray, tell your neighbours to avoid the sinning sun and lock thyself into chains of solitude and thank the covidiots for saving us from Satan’s disease ridden clutches. Moving!!

437265 Happy in the haze, replying to Happy in the haze, 25, #354 of 1350 🔗

My local school will be performing 4,200 LFTs over the next couple of weeks (not on my two kids I hasten to add – I have not consented). If anyone tests positive they and their families have to self-isolate / imprison themselves without having an additional test to confirm the positivity. With a 0.3% false posititivity rate with the LFTs, that will be 10-15 families locked up.
That’s where the “third wave” fake statistics will be coming from to keep this dystopian nightmare going to try and quell the lockdown resistance.

437268 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Happy in the haze, 9, #355 of 1350 🔗

Question – if a pupil has a (false)+ test do the parents and siblings of pupil have to take a test? If so this will find even more (false)+’s.

And so it goes on, an infinite loop of insanity….

437279 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Happy in the haze, 6, #356 of 1350 🔗

It’s not just the families – don’t all the kids in the same class have to then stay at home for 2 weeks, plus anyone else they have come into contact with around the school?

437285 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Happy in the haze, 8, #357 of 1350 🔗

Yes it will be a never ending cycle of lockdowns

438409 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Happy in the haze, #358 of 1350 🔗

EVERYONE NEEDS TO REFUSE THE TESTING!! Yes I am yelling.

437274 ▶▶ rose, replying to rose, 10, #360 of 1350 🔗

Powerful stuff from RF Kennedy jr. He says that he’ll go down fighting for freedom with his boots on.

437443 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to rose, 3, #361 of 1350 🔗

Great stuff, on the money. I’d recommend Patrick Bet-David’s interviews (he’s done 2-3 things with RFK Jr) & famously says at one point, you know, ‘you don’t sound like a Democrat!’

RFK has been vocal for quite some time about his father’s murder & his belief in CIA complicity via Thane Cesar – who worked for defence contractor Lockheed Martin, was a pt security guard for a couple of days before the RFK assassination, and whose tie appeared to have been removed during the incident & is famously pictured inches away from Kennedy’s hand as he lay mortally wounded on the floor. A few years ago having studied that case, Kennedy Jr met with Sirhan in prison. according to Sirhan’s lawyer & research assistant, RFK Jr held his hand & said: I know you didn’t kill my Father.

437643 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to rose, 3, #362 of 1350 🔗

He happened to be in Berlin on 28th August, when the 2nd large protest was, and spontaneously came to speak there when he heard during his press conference (to launch the European branch of his organisation) that the police were closing the protest. He stood on a wall and spoke to the crowd with a megaphone. A history making moment.
Sadly totally ignored by MSM as the secret police organised Storm of the Reichstag was the only headline.

437270 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 20, #363 of 1350 🔗

I’m not taking the experimental vaccine, and I’m happy with that moral choice and happy for others to take their own moral choice either way. Given the vocal nature of people implying it is selfish to not take the experimental vaccine, I think it is important to explain my moral choice to help others who are facing that moral choice. In the absence of those people vocally making the alternative case there is no need to explain. But here goes.

Firstly it is important to say there is no absolute morality, and different people will take different moral decisions. You can’t measure whether something is morally right or wrong on a weighing scale. There are some things that almost all people will find morally wrong such as murder. But most things such as whether to take an experimental vaccine are clearly balanced and nuanced unless you use simplistic arguments. If you take away the freedom of an individual to make moral choices in non-extreme scenarios then you end up with poorly reasoned group think and authoritarianism, and we know how dangerous that can be from the pandemic response.

If the experimental vaccine gives an individual significant protection with no safety issues (as some are declaring), then it doesn’t matter what I decide, because others can choose to have the experimental vaccine and get their protection that way. And if it provides no protection against death or hospitalisation then there is no point in taking it either. So let’s assume the experimental vaccine only gives partial protection.

There is no evidence that the experimental vaccination stops transmission of the virus. And if it doesn’t, I’m doing no harm to anybody else by not taking the experimental vaccine. And if it doesn’t stop transmission and masks symptoms, then it might even make it easier to pass on the virus, because without the symptoms, you don’t stay in and don’t avoid transmission. But for the purposes of the discussion let’s assume that on balance we expect the experimental vaccination to provide some protection (minor or otherwise) against transmission of SARS-Cov-2 in its current form from this point on.

So to recap I am assuming that the experimental vaccine reduces transmission and provides only partial protection against hospitalisation or death, as that is the only scenario where I need to explain my moral choice further. It is important to emphasise this central point, but I’ll move on.

My judgement is natural infection as opposed to experimental vaccination is by far and away the best way to protect other people, not just myself. In the midst of an epidemic, I am happy to go out, meet other people who have taken that choice and encounter the virus and potentially transmit it, become infected and then immune, or if I’m very unlucky die. By that means I am protecting others who are more vulnerable through herd immunity and avoiding the virus.

But let’s pretend I’ve somehow manage to avoid SARS-Cov-2, albeit that is unlikely, and just wait to be naturally infected if that ever happens. Would taking an experimental vaccine in the long run protect others better than this approach of waiting for natural infection? On the surface you might say yes. But taking the experimental vaccine will potentially cause pathogenic priming or at least weaken my future immune defence, and that will mean that when the next virus comes along, I will potentially become sicker and a greater transmitter of that next virus. And the same thing will apply to anyone who I pass SARS-CoV-2 on to now. It’s easy to assume these counter-affects are trivial, but when you really think about it you realise they aren’t. What is better, a population with good immune systems and a very small number of future covid deaths, or a population with slightly or significantly weakened immune systems from taking the experimental vaccine without those deaths.

(part 1 of 2 continued in reply)

437271 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 28, #364 of 1350 🔗

(part 2 of 2)

If I assess that the potential harms to me of taking the vaccine (significant) still outweigh the benefits to me (approximately zero) added to the benefit to others through me not being transmit the virus (close to zero) then morally I think I should choose not to be vaccinated. The harms to all outweigh the benefits to all.

The knock on affect also is that by having the experimental vaccine and then posting about how good that is on social media, I may influence someone, for whom the benefits to them and others are outweighed by the harms too, to also take the vaccine and cause net harm.

And if I take the experimental vaccine, simply so we can ‘get out of lockdown’ what does that mean when the next virus and vaccine come along or the next government edict on something else comes along. I’d argue it creates a scenario where the government can remain unaccountable and more easily tell us what to do and we must always go along with what they say regardless of what we think is right or wrong. To me it would be morally wrong to do that.

Let’s suppose everybody ends up experimentally vaccinated. How will that affect SARS-C0V-2 and how will that affect the mix of viruses circulating? Well because the virus has been made less transmissible because of the experimental vaccines, then I expect SARS-C0V-2 will be encouraged to mutate more than it would otherwise. And if it mutates more, then those vaccinated will be less protected. And other viruses will have greater scope to enter the viral space and take the place of SARS-C0V-2 and potentially cause more harm to the vaccinated who have some protection from SARS-C0V-2 but not from those other viruses. At the half way position of some vaccinated some not, the same arguments still apply. I’ll leave it to the virologists to discuss the merits of this point.

In summary if the experimental vaccine provides significant protection then there is no reason to choose to be experimentally vaccinated, because others can get their protection from their own vaccination. And if vaccination doesn’t reduce transmission, then there is no benefit to others from me being experimentally vaccinated. But even if these protection and transmissibility arguments don’t apply, and while morality isn’t absolute, there are clearly super strong moral arguments for choosing not to be experimentally vaccinated.

437288 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Freecumbria, 19, #365 of 1350 🔗

And if it doesn’t stop transmission and masks symptoms, then it might even make it easier to pass on the virus, because without the symptoms

My teenager said this a few weeks ago – my mum wasn’t very well at the time. She worked out for herself that if she had the vax and it hid the symptoms so much that she didn’t even know she had any (which being so young, it could feasibly do), that she could be ‘killing granny’ without knowing it anyway. She said it would be better for her not to have the injection, so that if she did get infected, she would me more likely to know she had it and could stay away from her Nan.
She’s a bright one, that one.

437311 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to CGL, 8, #366 of 1350 🔗

Maybe we could all keep a mask at hand to put on when someone tells us they have just had the jab. Quickly put it on and say, ‘Sorry – I didn’t realise- you might have it but not realise it so you could pass it on to me and my children.’ Reverse psychology rules ok!

437301 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #367 of 1350 🔗

I so totally agree with you Freecumbria. That is exactly how I think, but probably not as articulately 🙂 . Excellent post.

437278 l835, replying to l835, 17, #368 of 1350 🔗

Braking news.

Mark Drakeford has announced that with effect from 01/3/21 facemasks will be replaced by Leeks in Wales.

“Throughout history, studies have shown that wearing members of the allium family on your person have been proven to ward of numerous illnesses. The wearing of our national vegetable over your face is not only a symbol of national pride, but a shot in the arm to the Welsh agricultural economy.”

Health minister Vaughan Gethin stated “Leeks can be worn in either horizontal or vertical position, but our advice is hold them under your nose with your top lip in the manner of a moustache. Clearly those of English decent won’t be able to do so owing to their stiff upper lips, and should make alternative arrangements”

437287 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to l835, 6, #369 of 1350 🔗

Things are so ridiculous right now, I could almost believe that!

437303 ▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, 2, #370 of 1350 🔗

Fluellen will enforce it on English visitors.
Monmouth caps will be compulsory.
To be brought in on March the First.

437340 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to Annie, #371 of 1350 🔗

Het Gymreig on Sunday’s, but that’s only guidance not law!

437648 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to l835, 2, #372 of 1350 🔗

If garlic keeps away vampires, then covid does not like leeks.
They are one of my favourite vegetables, so I would be happy to wear one around my neck!

437284 RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #373 of 1350 🔗

Jonathan Barr once again touting government definitions without qualification :

“… estimates that 373,000 people in England were infected with Covid – equating to 0.69% of the population. In the previous week, it estimated that 0.88% were infected. During the worst week – January 3rd to 9th– it was 2.08%.”

… instead of reviewing the figures in the light of known false definitions about ‘infections’.

… and noting that even including odd and irrelevant bits of RNA in the count, there’s not much SARS-CoV-2 about.

437440 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, #374 of 1350 🔗

Yes, accept the definitions and terms of your enemy and you are halfway to defeat.

437289 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 37, #375 of 1350 🔗

Husband asked me if I’d signed the no vaccine passports petition to which I answered yes of course. Asked him same. Answer: There is no point because they are going to happen anyway.

FFS. So I challenged him that the more sign it the more likely our voices will be at least heard.

He then said he thinks they are a good thing because they will allow us to travel again. (He thinks the same about the vaxx, of course)

Cue rant from me about people rolling over and accepting such impositions that would have been unthinkable 12 months ago will not give us back our freedoms – quite the opposite in fact. He doesn’t get it.

This is what we are up against.

437342 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to HelzBelz, 18, #376 of 1350 🔗

I think there’s a lot of us right now thinking “Darn it – I’m here all on my own – but I prefer that to being with someone with the opposite view on all this”. My sympathies.

437455 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to ElizaP, 2, #377 of 1350 🔗

ditto!

437575 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to ElizaP, 2, #378 of 1350 🔗

Yes, I spend all day circulating things of importance and it’s really hard work. I’m pleased to say that there are slight signs now that the message is getting across. Remember, share, share, and share again. Some of it will stick or open someones eyes and if we don’t we may lose this war.

437439 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #379 of 1350 🔗

Now I understand your moniker.

437474 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #380 of 1350 🔗

As I posted last night, we need to look at the language here. It is yet again being perverted by government with the connivance (or at least carelessness) of media, and being used against us.

There are two separate issues.

  • Any free country can make its own border control policies, including vaccine requirements. We can factor vaccine requirements into our decision whether or not to visit a particular country.
  • Then there is the question of whether we should have to produce some sort of certificate of vaccination before we are allowed to circulate and enjoy normal cultural etc activities in our own country.

The two are vastly different but are being conflated.  The government are using the perfectly normal desire to travel i.e. by reference to a “passport” to manipulate the debate and hide their intentions.

437545 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #381 of 1350 🔗

Exactly this. Hubby also conflates having a paper passport and a paper vaccination card for travel to countries of your choosing, should you wish to comply by their rules, with this digital ‘health passport’ which can and no doubt will end up exclude you from domestically.

He is completely unable / unwilling to countenance that there is a big, big difference.

437661 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #382 of 1350 🔗

Yellow fever and the other diseases that travellers get vaxes for are actually deadly.

The vaxes for those diseases have been tested in lengthy, rigorous trials.

The yellow card and its vaxes are entirely voluntary and not tied to any other information about the traveler.

What is being proposed for WuFlu is totally different.

437573 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #383 of 1350 🔗

So many lazy people who don’t think.

437299 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 30, #384 of 1350 🔗

Had an estate agent visit yesterday for an evaluation on the house. In his email he mentioned that he would be coming with full PPE. I replied that it would not be necessary. He turned up smiling and we shook hands. Turns out he was just as skeptical as me about the whole situation. My wife and I both shook hands with him on his departure. Normality is hopefully returning!

437349 ▶▶ robnicholson, replying to StevieH, 6, #385 of 1350 🔗

Local independent plumber came around yesterday to have a look at my boiler. Was like a breath of fresh air with no airs and graces (and no mask). However as it’s broke, Valliant have to look at it and even the website asks me to declare house is Covid free. World’s gone mad…

437655 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to robnicholson, 1, #386 of 1350 🔗

I am sure a lot of companies put these messages out as it is expected.
I am looking for work in hospitality, yes, some businesses are optimistically advertising, but I am put off as a lot of them right at the beginning state PPE provided and covid secure protocols in place.

437300 GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 52, #387 of 1350 🔗

“Do not wreck this now”

Fuck you.

437323 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 19, #388 of 1350 🔗

The only sane response.

Especially as he means “don’t wreck our plans for you scum”.

437348 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Les Tricoteuses, 42, #389 of 1350 🔗
437357 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 16, #390 of 1350 🔗

all i see is Penfold

437704 ▶▶▶▶ rupert, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #391 of 1350 🔗

Onslow from Keeping Up Appearances. Pun intended.

437346 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 14, #392 of 1350 🔗

Take a fucking sledge hammer to it and throw in a wrecking ball complete destruction, fuck you Tam the Wanker

437352 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #393 of 1350 🔗

You mean ‘Tam, one of the pharmaceutical industry’s representatives in government employ’.

437302 robnicholson, replying to robnicholson, 30, #394 of 1350 🔗

>Not only has this skewed figures when data has been so important in deciding how we respond to the pandemic, it has caused distress and anxiety for relatives.

And this is on top of not being able to the inhumane and brutal stance of preventing relatives and even friends from not being able to visit until it’s too late/the end. NEVER again must that be allowed to happen.

We missed mum’s passing by 10 minutes – we had just pulled up the the car park. She died of an existing condition but I was visibly relieved when the cause of death was correct – no Covid. They tried it on of course with “she has symptoms that could be Covid”. It just added that little bit more pain into the horrible situation.

It’s so, so sad when anyone who was so clearly dearly loved dies (no matter what the cause) but it’s simply not acceptable that she died scared and alone.

I often wake up in a cold sweat thinking about “How I let her down”. I’ve always been a positive “glass half full” kind of guy but when I filled in the Zoe mental health survey last week, it was clear to me that I’m feeling pretty down and this will be a big part of it.

437337 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to robnicholson, 13, #395 of 1350 🔗

Don’t beat yourself up I’m sure you did all you could let’s hope somewhere down the line you get peace and justice stay strong my friend..

437350 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to robnicholson, 10, #396 of 1350 🔗

I’m sorry for your loss, Rob, and for the cruelty of the situation for your mum, you and the rest of your family. I know it won’t change how you feel to say so, but you did not let her down. The barabarism of the situation we find ourselves in continues to take my breath away. Hang in there and remind yourself that no one could feel that their glass is half full after what you have experienced. You are having a normal human reaction to an abnormal set of circumstances created by an inhuman and pitiless ruling cabal. We are all with you in spirit.

437360 ▶▶ davews, replying to robnicholson, 6, #397 of 1350 🔗

58 year old lady down the road died of a brain haemorrhage. The funeral was yesterday. Huge send off by the neighbours all crowded together. I did’n’t know her myself but nevertheless stood to show my respects.

437366 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to robnicholson, 7, #398 of 1350 🔗

Sorry for your loss, its been the worse part of all of this, the denial of families to be with each other, evil.. I have the same feelings about my mother, she died alone in the night, more to the story but I wasnt with her and it was over 2 years ago, before covid, its called ‘complicated grief’ and its hard.

437432 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to robnicholson, 2, #399 of 1350 🔗

yes, it is an outrage, both to the dying and the bereaved. I hope you live to see justice.

437725 ▶▶ Annie, replying to robnicholson, 2, #400 of 1350 🔗

No, no, no, you didn’t let her down.
Death doesn’t happen by the clock. You came as soon as you could.
If it’s any consolation, my impression is that the dying have let go their hold on this world, they are looking beyond it, and they go in peace. You loved and cherished her in life, you’ll remember her with love, and that is what matters.

437307 caravaggio57, replying to caravaggio57, 6, #401 of 1350 🔗

I remembered this great piece of writing by Leonard Cohen from his Flowers for Hitler collection this morning. I have made a minor alteration to reflect our times.

ALL THERE IS TO KNOW
ABOUT MATT HANCOCK

EYES: …………………………………………………………………………………… Medium
HAIR: …………………………………………………………………………………..   Medium
WEIGHT: …………………………………………………………………………….  Medium
HEIGHT:   …………………………………………………………………………….  Medium
DISTINGUISHING FEATURES: ………………………………………………. None
NUMBER OF FINGERS: ………………………………………………………..   Ten
NUMBER OF TOES: …………………………………………………………….. …. Ten
INTELLIGENCE: …………………………………………………………………….  Medium

What did you expect?

Talons?

Oversize incisors?

Green Saliva?

Madness?

437331 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to caravaggio57, 3, #402 of 1350 🔗

Mediocrity goes a long way

437353 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to wendyk, 4, #403 of 1350 🔗

sums up our present parliament with a few exceptions

437601 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to wendyk, 2, #404 of 1350 🔗

My old dad (RIP) used to chunter from his chair that the trouble with this country now is that “we worship mediocrity”. How right he was.

437343 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to caravaggio57, 7, #405 of 1350 🔗

The banality of evil.

438151 ▶▶▶ Woden, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #406 of 1350 🔗

whoops! didn’t see you.. but agree!

437724 ▶▶ Annie, replying to caravaggio57, 3, #407 of 1350 🔗

No data here about his mental state, or that of his soul- though admittedly the latter is in possession of the Devil, and may be difficult of access.

438149 ▶▶ Woden, replying to caravaggio57, #408 of 1350 🔗

The banality of evil

437308 caipirinha17, replying to caipirinha17, 8, #409 of 1350 🔗

I find myself thinking that the higher ‘case’ and death rates in countries with more stringent interventions might just be down to the need to justify the actions taken and to limit liability on the part of those countries’ leaders, nothing to do with the efficacy or otherwise of those measures.

437368 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to caipirinha17, 2, #410 of 1350 🔗

Definitely. I’m wondering if in a way it’s better if we don’t actually alter the covid death numbers although i understand it’s painful for relatives to have a death wrongly classified. But the higher the death rate apparently from Covid, and the more stringent the NPIs, doesn’t it show that the stringent NPIs were totally useless and in fact caused more of a problem? Which i would have thought is a good thing for lockdown sceptics.

437339 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 30, #412 of 1350 🔗

Down in Whitstable yesterday was like the last year never existed. Thongs of people yesterday evening walking along the prom no masks no distancing. It was easy to forget the last year.

And the best bit of all was the skateboard park which was heaving with youngsters and no masks no distancing just being youngsters having fun. It was a fillip to the soul. Not a marshal or cop in site.

437356 ▶▶ davews, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 7, #413 of 1350 🔗

Our local skateboard park has been closed by the council after youngsters were seen to be enjoying themselves.

437596 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 5, #414 of 1350 🔗

I know you meant “throngs” but the quick mental picture of a virtually naked, be-thonged seafront made my day 😊 !

437345 iansn, replying to iansn, 5, #415 of 1350 🔗

There are no limits to what the vaccine can do, in the same way that the virus is more powerful and smarter than any previous virus known to mankind. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9303149/Coronavirus-vaccines-help-long-Covid-patients-beat-crippling-fatigue.html FFS!!!

437351 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to iansn, 5, #416 of 1350 🔗

Yup. Great news for the gullible!!

437362 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to iansn, 6, #417 of 1350 🔗

out of pure altruism, I shall be donating my vaccine to the sufferers of long covid

437347 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #418 of 1350 🔗

Let’s forget the nominal positive correlations between ‘Lockdown Stringency’ and ‘infections’/deaths.

Let’s forget recondite arguments about the validity of ‘stringency’ scales.

Let’s forget the dodgy dealing of ‘Covid’ definitions.

Let’s forget everything except the bleedin’ obvious.

The resounding, constant finding is that lockdowns have no positive effect on Covid outcomes. They are an irrelevancy.

Conclusion : those supporting them as a measure are – at best – stupidly innumerate. Would you trust them with running a country?

437354 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to RickH, 2, #419 of 1350 🔗

I wouldn’t trust them to run a bath.

437359 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 1, #420 of 1350 🔗

Depends how much money they made from all of it

437355 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #421 of 1350 🔗

Utopia – British Television show

437437 ▶▶ leggy, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #422 of 1350 🔗

Haven’t watched it for a long time, but I thought the sterility drug was in the food chain. Am I mixing it up with something else?

438413 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to PastImperfect, #423 of 1350 🔗

👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

437358 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 32, #424 of 1350 🔗

“Jonathan Van-Tam tonight urged Britons not to “relax”…“this is not a battle that we have won yet”…He called for the UK to “hold our nerve”.

As my American friends would say, I’m so done with this now. I agree with everything that this fat oaf has said, but in a diametrically-opposite way to the way he thinks.

No, it’s not a battle that we’ve won yet; he isn’t yet in the dock at The Hague. We can’t relax; every day brings another attempt by “those behind the curtain” to lock us down again and again, abetted by a Prime Minister who has, provably, never lost an opportunity to snatch away another promise of miniscule freedom. We must hold our nerve; and never stop stamping on their fat little hands as they attempt to keep us from our birthright-freedoms, which are not theirs to attempt to take away.

Don’t give up. Remember what an elderly man told me about steam engines. A steam locomotive never stalls, the pressure is constant and they eventually get where they are going, just like us.

437392 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to RichardJames, 3, #425 of 1350 🔗

I think I can I think I can I think I can

437721 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alethea, 3, #426 of 1350 🔗

… I know I can I know I can I know I can

Toot toot!

437361 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 37, #427 of 1350 🔗

Well back to the real clinical world ,where I work, and have been working since day Zero I can say that in terms of the usual coughs and cold, or as they are known these days ” hot clinic patients ” it has been very quiet for the last two weeks.

In fact yesterday there were no ” hot ” patients to be seen in the surgery . This is remarkable as the list size runs into tens of thousands. There is always a reduction in respiratory tract infections end Feb , early March as the seasons change . It is called seasonality and seems to have been lost to the modellers of Imperial College.

I found the article linking severity of lockdown to increased number of covid fatalities very interesting. The medical consensus until March 2020 held the opinion that an epidemic was as much psychologial and social as it is medical. The WHO guidelines until March last year emphasised keeping people calm , keeping society going and functioning as normally as possible. Instead since last March we have had a totalitarian response underpinned by terror propaganda 24/7. Maybe something for the government to reflect on.

437367 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Peter Thompson, 13, #428 of 1350 🔗

Maybe something for the government to reflect on.

yes, and for the criminal investigators to explore thoroughly

437385 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #429 of 1350 🔗

Thanks. Interesting to hear your clinical insights.

437457 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #430 of 1350 🔗

Is there much discussion regarding the vaccine? My concern is that there seems to be little awareness, discussion or thought of how these treatments actually work. Contrary to what we are told, RNA and protein manipulation are able to mediate gene expression, methylation can have a whole system effect, and the AZ treatment even relies on inserting a gene into the nucleus. Is there any awareness of how novel and unproven these methods are? Does it seem that most just assume these to be standard Jenner style vaccines?

437364 Barbara Baker, replying to Barbara Baker, 4, #431 of 1350 🔗

Did I miss something – Dr Hopkins reported in DM atl that she advises against face masks for Primary schoolchildren, but other measures are to be in place such as testing families of said children when they return to class? Last I heard all “voluntary” measures applied to secondary schools only

437452 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Barbara Baker, 6, #432 of 1350 🔗

So Dr Hopkins. How much transmission has there been child to teacher/parent? Whats that? Sod all? So why are you forcing them to wear masks at all? Go over the park, look at all the kids running around and mixing without masks since Christmas. How has that increased infections? Nothing? so why are they wearing masks? As a doctor what is your opinion on the effect of reducing oxygen capacity and breathing if covering up the mouth? How important is respiratory freedom in juveniles? When you decrease oxygen supply to the young what are the effects? Tiredness, slowed reactions, increased anger and frustration, trouble concentrating. So WHY ARE YOU FORCING THEM TO WEAR A MASK. Call yourself a doctor you are a disgrace!!

437370 mojo, replying to mojo, 52, #433 of 1350 🔗

I think it is about time vaccination is questioned robustly. So many think they are now free to mix with others, go abroad and even hug loved ones. Well they could have done all this without a flu vaccine.

Most older folk like to have their flu jab each year and yet still they get coughs and colds. They wash their hands regularly and they stay in the warm if they are really unwell. Nothing has changed behaviourally with Covid. Except of course the levels of fear. The ridiculing of the nation and the demoralisation.

Many immunologists are deeply concerned that this vaccination programme is breaking down our immune system. They want to know why these jabs have been rushed out. I want to know why so many lockdown sceptic commentators are telling us the vaccine is a wonderful get out to freedom. This is insulting to all humans. We have an age old immune system that works with nature to protect us.

The government is saying no travel or meeting family until every person is vaccinated. That is using people to turn on each other. Creating division and dissent. It is shameful that not one journalist is seeing through this. Vaccines two or three times every year.Lockdowns to enable the government to slowly destroy businesses. Demoralise people even further. Within a few years everyone over 70yrs will have left this mortal coil, children will be the property of the State, no one will own anything. We need to have this out in the open and debated. We know it is on the globalist websites. We know the big players like Amazon, Facebook, WallStreet and the Political Foundations are getting richer and richer whilst the rest of us are beginning to suffer mentally and soon financially. I am now having to deal with the Queen accusing me of being selfish, just because I don’t want to take the risk of being tragically sick unnecessarily. I thought we lived in a free country. Shame on the the Queen for treating her loyal subjects with such disdain. She certainly hasn’t the stomach of a King of England

437381 ▶▶ Janette, replying to mojo, 2, #434 of 1350 🔗

Hear hear

437411 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mojo, 11, #435 of 1350 🔗

Experiences of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine suggest that it causes a significant 48-hour reaction/illness in more than half of the recipients. Far greater than ‘flu vaccines.

I guess many of these instances will not be reported because individuals now expect this outcome!

437450 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to mojo, 2, #436 of 1350 🔗

You’re assuming she is a woman.

437467 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to mojo, 6, #437 of 1350 🔗

The Queen risks being royally sued when the ‘vaccine’ law suits come rolling in. ‘I did it for Queen and NHS. Since only the NHS has been beatified, I want the Crown Jewels.’

437371 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #438 of 1350 🔗

This is from Alex Belfield, it’s funny whilst being alarming at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT5mt80Vp4g

437417 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to p02099003, 1, #439 of 1350 🔗

You are right – funny but alarming/depressing.

437372 Xenophanes, replying to Xenophanes, 1, #440 of 1350 🔗

For a team to lose a match 4-3 having held a 3 goal lead is extremely rare – I doubt if even avid football fans could readily bring an instance to mind.

437377 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Xenophanes, #441 of 1350 🔗

https://www.skysports.com/football/newcastle-vs-arsenal/report/215367 is the closest I can think of and that wasn’t 3-0 to 3-4

437397 ▶▶▶ Xenophanes, replying to arfurmo, 1, #442 of 1350 🔗

Think this was about the only time it’s happened in the history of the beautiful game https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._3%E2%80%934_Manchester_City_F.C._(2004)

437420 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to arfurmo, 2, #443 of 1350 🔗

Liverpool, 3-0 down to AC Milan, was it 2005? The stadium was so far out of Istanbul (or was it Ankarra?) that half the Liverpool fans set off back to get their midnight flight. Then they won, one of the great games.

437431 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to NickR, #444 of 1350 🔗

Twas Istanbul. They also pulled back a 3-0 deficit against Barcelona a few years back, but that was over two legs.

437453 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to NickR, #445 of 1350 🔗

it was a draw after full-time, so I’d love to agree, but it’s not the same as turning the deficit around in 90 minutes of play

437412 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Xenophanes, #446 of 1350 🔗

In the early 70s in a game involving Blackpool one of the teams was 3-0 up and the other team – I can’t remember who they were – came back to win 4-3.

437551 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to rockoman, #447 of 1350 🔗

You may be thinking of the Stanley Matthews final of the 52/53 season ,Opponents were Bolton. Mortenson got the goals , but it was Matthews who made it possible .
I watrched it, first TV programme I ever saw, in a neighbour’s house.

437373 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 8, #448 of 1350 🔗

Left Lockdown Sceptics has a very good hit piece on Owen Jones-especially since he is something of a LW poster boy. I don’t share their general politics but much of what they say is spot on and Left, Right, Centre, Liberal, Con, Socialist don’t have the meaning they once did-
https://leftlockdownsceptics.com/

437399 ▶▶ RickH, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #449 of 1350 🔗

Owen Jones …. is something of a LW poster boy.”

Really? Since when in recent times?

437426 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to RickH, 8, #450 of 1350 🔗

Because he’s a left wing cunt

437539 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 1, #451 of 1350 🔗

Poster paint boy.

437568 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to RickH, 1, #452 of 1350 🔗

As a former Guardian reader (well it was free) I very much enjoyed the twisting and turning he had to do to support Corbyn, or not, then Brexit, or not. Even the Guardian bedwetters ridiculed him.

437374 Major Panic, 11, #453 of 1350 🔗

Unfortunately it will probably take a massive and deadly medical disaster to break the trust and highlight the toxic link between big pharma, government and ‘public health’

437375 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 23, #454 of 1350 🔗

Auckland back in lockdown for seven days . That zero Covid is really working .

437442 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to arfurmo, 8, #455 of 1350 🔗

I find it amazing that the zero covid cultists who adore Jacinda most of the time, go really really quiet when the latest lockdown pops up.

437382 Toby Pierides, 12, #456 of 1350 🔗

Flu re-badged as a disease beginning with C to sell vaccines…

437383 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 9, #457 of 1350 🔗

Holy shit Dr Sinead Murphy’s piece on the ‘differend’ has made my weekend already.

437424 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mic67, 11, #458 of 1350 🔗

Absolute cracker of an article. But then aren’t all Sinead Murphy’s articles absolute crackers!

Certainly think of many occasions where I’ve fallen into the ‘differend’ trap.

On the positive side a friend on a whatsapp group asked what were the group’s thoughts on the Boris announcement, perhaps the reopening was a bit slow she said? I made a full on reply that we shouldn’t be talking about whether the reopening was too slow or not, when we shouldn’t have closed things in the first place. Thought afterwards perhaps I could have been more conciliatory, it didn’t go down too well, but reading that article I’m glad I took that line.

437438 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Freecumbria, 12, #459 of 1350 🔗

Yes I was seriously upset last night. Speaking to someone I’ve known for 15 years who has been being particularly authoritarian on FB and I asked if he supported the right for people to choose what they put in their bodies.

His reply was that yes as long as they support his right not to mix with the unvaccinated.

I was fucking devastated. It was like a real personal wake up call as to the level of brainwashing.

Seeing it in terms of the ‘differend’ has eased the pain somewhat!

437481 ▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Mic67, 11, #460 of 1350 🔗

His reply is nonsensical anyway. He could meet anyone at any time with any communicable disease, if he drives he could encounter a drunk driver, go to hospital and see an incompetent medic. How does he regulate others’ behaviour to negate the ‘risk’ of those things happening?

438147 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dame Lynet, #461 of 1350 🔗

Thank you for this exchange.

437565 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Mic67, 4, #462 of 1350 🔗

So once again, what is the point of the vaccine?

437384 l835, replying to l835, 30, #463 of 1350 🔗

I’ve cracked it! Slapped a magnetic “L835 Couriers” on the side of my car, and chucked a couple of cardboard boxes on the back seat. Sorted! Go anywhere now, England, Scotland, no problem!

437562 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to l835, 1, #464 of 1350 🔗

Lol, my sister has a sign in the car about CCTV installation and repair for the same reason!

437391 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #465 of 1350 🔗

COMMENT to the article by Sebastian Rushworth below

Please do vaccines next. For instance, look into why SIDS rates dropped dramatically in the US during lockdowns in early Covid days – when people were skipping the well baby visits

Medical reversals – when doctors hurt patients
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/02/26/medical-reversals-when-doctors-hurt-patients/

.

437396 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Victoria, 1, #466 of 1350 🔗

His first example ought to be enough to silence the VaXX Nazis – mention lobotomies.

437415 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Victoria, 3, #467 of 1350 🔗

And as for SIDS – Del Bigtree mentioned this last year in one of his Highwire shows.

437456 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Victoria, 4, #468 of 1350 🔗

As well a drop in parents being arrested for “shaken baby syndrome”. The worst injustice ever carried out on innocent parents, to cover up the damage of vaccines and medical negligence IMO.

437395 RickH, replying to RickH, 24, #470 of 1350 🔗

Somewhat surprised at the usually penetrating Guy de la Bédoyère equating vaccination certification with ordinary passports or a driving licence.

They are entirely different.

It does seem that the very word ‘vaccine’ is capable of destroying judgment.

437472 ▶▶ FiatLux, replying to RickH, 4, #471 of 1350 🔗

Absolutely so. Someone told me that a vaccination certificate, in domestic use, was equivalent to a driving, gun, or any other specific licence. I did point out that, for example, a gun licence is not necessary to be able to drink in a pub or buy food in a shop.

437544 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to RickH, 1, #472 of 1350 🔗

The real question is where does the madness end? If it’s going to take a year to roll out this vaccine to the entire population what happens when covid 22/3/4/5/6… arrives and requires a different vaccine?

437559 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to RickH, 2, #473 of 1350 🔗

It would only be equivalent if it required some form of permanent bodily modification, say, a chip in the brain to obey speed limits or something. And then you could still choose not to drive, whereas with the passport the whole of social life will be denied.

437400 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 6, #474 of 1350 🔗

In this 40 minute interview Dmitri Orlov, who is known for his book : “The Five Stages of Collapse”, gives his view on the virus, the crisis and the Great Reset.. He sees the West as now locked into collapse.

Nice quote:

“In the West you can tell people to stay at home, and they will actually stay at home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUPXYoOHiyg&feature=emb_imp_woyt

In my opinion his analyis is well worth considering.

437410 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, 7, #475 of 1350 🔗

Dimitri has long argued that the Soviets/Russians were better placed to deal with a collapse because nothing worked for them anyway, so they had tomatoes growing on window ledges and every available space, state run factories kept going even though trade had collapsed and that allowed workers to keep warm and get a meal in the canteen. We aren’t prepared for the diesel running out and stopping our food deliveries from Asda. And if there’s a fuel shortage, the out of town shopping facilities can only be reached by way of cars that won’t move.

437720 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #476 of 1350 🔗

You can walk.
You can bike.
It takes longer and you can’t carry so much, but considering that everything else you might want to do is forbidden, you have the time for it.
Or, go round to your local corner shop, which us quite likely to be run by human beings.

437401 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 4, #477 of 1350 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56202635

These aren’t the effects of Nature (Covid virus). These are the effects of Man (Lockdown). The debased BBC at it again!

437542 ▶▶ iansn, replying to eastender53, 3, #478 of 1350 🔗

my experience when I went to see the doctor about mental health problems (suicidal) I was seen by a trainee doctor on attachment/work experience. She had no experience whatsoever about it. Take some tablets was the answer. I started with a THRIVE counsellor and never looked back. NHS and mental health experts, they dont exist. If it cant be cured with drugs it cant be cured.

437626 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to iansn, 2, #479 of 1350 🔗

Agree entirely- this reductive attitude to mental health issues is IMO why the NHS is so keen on peddling a commoditised CBT.

437402 concrete68, replying to concrete68, 31, #480 of 1350 🔗

Some odd statements from Guy (ATL) this morning. Getting vaccinated is not in any way like getting a licence to drive a dangerous vehicle. It’s a medical procedure which has never, yet, become part of the social contract. That’s especially true if it’s novel, the outcomes are unknown and the risk is negligible.. placing restrictions on some citizens to do normal things who don’t get vaccinated is in efffect making it mandatory. Time for conscientious objectors like us to stand firm. Taking the vaccine is accepting all, their arguments.

Covid passports are a huge leap in extension of the state and one which will allow us to clearly set our position. I notice even at work( a gov dept) that I have been able to form some questions around this without completely being castigated. That’s pretty much the U.K. Gov fault for saying half a dozen contradictory things about the vaccine within 2 months…

437536 ▶▶ iansn, replying to concrete68, 3, #481 of 1350 🔗

i had an argument on Guido Fawkes two days ago with someone who said the same thing. You chose to drive, you can walk or cycle, which require no special skills. Driving a one ton piece of mechanised metal requires some expertise and training and knowledge of the laws of the road, a certificate of competence, insurance and the purchase or rental of said equipment. This is all to ensure that you know what you are doing and are not a specific danger to yourself or others by killing them or injuring them due to a lack of control. Driving into to some one or a wall at over 20mph can have serious consequences

How does that compare with vaxx? Especially for one that only at best ‘offers’ mild protection. A standard vaccine generally offers life long protection for smallpox, TB, MMR etc. It doesnt need top up doses every few months. Carrying a CV vaccined paper around with you doesnt prove anything or protect me or you from anything, its pure theatre and from a civil liberties perspective, its as close to the thick end of the wedge as anything ever proposed.
By the way when I mentioned I’d never passed a test, but drove it made the top of her head spin around.

437574 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to iansn, 5, #482 of 1350 🔗

It’s notable how quiet they go when you ask the 5 questions from the OffGuardian:
1. DID YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE NEVER SUCCESSFULLY VACCINATED AGAINST ANY CORONAVIRUS?

No successful vaccine against a coronavirus has ever been developed.

Scientists have been trying to develop a SARS and MERS vaccine for years, with nothing to show for it. In fact, some of the failed SARS vaccines actually caused hypersensitivity to the SARS virus. Meaning that vaccinated mice could potentially get the disease more severely than unvaccinated mice.

2. DID YOU KNOW IT USUALLY TAKES 5-10 YEARS TO FULLY DEVELOP A VACCINE?

Vaccine development is a slow, laborious process. Usually, from development through testing and finally being approved for public use takes many years. The various vaccines for Covid have all been developed and approved in less than a year.

While the media are quick to offer a TON of “explainer” guides, which cite “foresight, hard work and luck” as the reasons we got a Covid vaccine so quickly “without cutting corners”, they all leave out key information.

Namely, that none of the vaccines have yet been subject to proper trials. Many of them skipped early-stage trials entirely, and the late stage human trials have either not been peer reviewed, have not released their data, will not finish until 2023 or were abandoned after “severe adverse effects”.

3. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE COVID “VACCINE” IS BASED ON NEW TECHNOLOGY, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN APPROVED FOR USE ON HUMANS BEFORE?

While traditional vaccines work by exposing the body to a weakened strain of the microorganism responsible for causing the disease, these new Covid vaccines are mRNA vaccines.

mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid) vaccines theoretically work by injecting viral mRNA into the body, where it replicates inside your cells and encourages your body to recognise, and make antigens for, the “spike proteins” of the virus. They have been the subject of research since the 1990s, but before 2020 no mRNA vaccine was ever approved for use.

4. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CAN’T BE SUED IF THE VACCINE HURTS OR KILLS SOMEONE?

Back in the Spring of 2020 many governments around the world granted vaccine manufacturers immunity to civil liability, either by invoking existing legislation or writing new laws.

The USA’s Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP) grants immunity until at least 2024.

The EU’s product licensing law does the same, and there are reports of confidential liability clauses in the contracts the EU signed with vaccine manufacturers.

The UK went even further, granting permanent legal indemnity to the government, and any employees thereof, for any harm done when a patient is being treated for Covid19 or “suspected Covid19”.

5. DID YOU KNOW 99.8% OF PEOPLE SURVIVE COVID19?

The case-fatality ratio of Sars-Cov-2 infection has been a bone of contention for months, but it is certainly much lower than all the initial models predicted.

It was originally massively inflated, with the WHO using a figure of 3.4%.

Subsequent studies have found it to be much lower, in some cases even lower than 0.1%. A report published in October in the WHO’s own research bulletin finding a CFR of 0.23% “or possibly considerably lower”.

Meaning, even according to the WHO, at least 99.77% of people infected with the virus will survive.

437407 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 27, #483 of 1350 🔗

Well, an icy silence descended when a customer just announced “I’m volunteering at the vaccination centre and I’ve had my jab …”

These people can try every which way they can to extract out of us our vaxx intentions.

437448 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to kh1485, 15, #484 of 1350 🔗

It seems the first rule of vaxx club is tell everyone about vaxx club.

437449 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 9, #485 of 1350 🔗

Wonder what the response would have been if someone had said: ‘Really. tell us the expected fatality rate for your age group for covid-19.. tell us the expected success rate of the vaccine.. tell us how the vaccine specifically works.’ 🙂

437454 ▶▶ Dan L, replying to kh1485, 8, #486 of 1350 🔗

How do you know if someone has been covid vaccinated? Don’t worry they’ll tell you (if they are not dead).

437462 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dan L, 7, #487 of 1350 🔗

Exactly, they can’t wait to tell us.

437466 ▶▶▶▶ Dan L, replying to kh1485, 5, #488 of 1350 🔗

I feel for you having to listen to it over and over. I only have to suffer this on facebook. I don’t know if it would help to think of it not a method of communication but as a kind of sound an animal might make. Maybe “baa… baa…”

437488 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dan L, 16, #489 of 1350 🔗

It’s difficult. Just had the most asinine comment yet, when I said it would be impossible to make up a year’s lost trade: “it is what it is” says the woman not financially impacted by this. The same woman who is wearing a face mask but letting her tiny grandchild play in a load of gravel that the local cats use as a toilet!

437524 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to kh1485, 12, #490 of 1350 🔗

the vaxx is the new vegan, vegans have to tell you are as soon as they meet you. its all they fucking talk about

437495 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Dan L, 4, #491 of 1350 🔗

They have a bar code on their forehead, makes things easier

437717 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 2, #492 of 1350 🔗

666?

437476 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to kh1485, 5, #493 of 1350 🔗

Silence is the best response to the virtue signallers.

437554 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 5, #494 of 1350 🔗

I think my immediate reaction would have been to say “oh, poor you, I’m so sorry”.

437489 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 12, #495 of 1350 🔗

Kh – serious question, are these regular punters or seeing as you are enlightened to the great scam are they provocateurs, or both, being sent in to stir up trouble and get you to say something you will regret?

Or is it just the most exciting thing to have happened to them since dirty Den served Angie with divorce papers in the EastEnders 1987 Xmas special?

437526 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 13, #496 of 1350 🔗

Most of our regulars are signed up to the terror and are clearly of the belief that now they’ve had the jab, freedom beckons. One earlier seemed most put out that we were still not allowed to operate normally. I think a lot make hugely tactless comments without taking the time to think about what they are saying. And they seem to be of the misguided belief that just because the ruddy sun is shining, all our troubles are over. They really do think they are immune to the financial impact that’s coming our way. We have a growing number of sceptical customers (word of mouth has seen to that) and we have our fantastic group of sceptic friends. I expect a ‘reset’ of our customer base!

Re. your final point, you are bang on.

437949 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to kh1485, 2, #497 of 1350 🔗

And I saw on twitter William Gates III’s daughter with a sticker saying that she’d had her jab. Yeah, I’m sure she has…

That’s something one gives to small children.

These people who virtue signal about their ‘jab’ are supposed to be FUCKING ADULTS and yet are SO infantilised.

437409 Mic67, 3, #498 of 1350 🔗
437419 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 28, #499 of 1350 🔗

I reject the premise and the tone of van Tam’s admonition and his right to issue it. Ditto that of the Queen yesterday. GFY.

437423 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JayBee, 11, #500 of 1350 🔗

He looks like Penfold from danger mouse.

437483 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jaguarpig, 7, #501 of 1350 🔗

I’m not and educated man but I’ve got some street smarts and can recognise a wrongun and bullshit artist when I see one……and he looks a right wrongun!

437494 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to stefarm, 4, #502 of 1350 🔗

I remember someone saying on here a while ago; he looks the type that wouldnt want his internet browsing history found out.

437510 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #503 of 1350 🔗

As displayed by my spelling mistake…..

437931 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to stefarm, #504 of 1350 🔗

I envy your street smarts.

437491 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #505 of 1350 🔗

Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz, more like.

437427 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #506 of 1350 🔗

So the Pig Dictator is to offer low deposit mortgages to the young

After the regime failed to honour it’s commitment to guarantee Business Bounce Bank Loans I doubt if any banks will be up for this

Then it’s easy to offer something you know you will not deliver on, this is in the Pig Dictators DNA

437675 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #507 of 1350 🔗

Will they be for the vaccinated only? Everything else is going to be!

437428 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 10, #508 of 1350 🔗

Owen Jones is the poster child of an unjustifiably self-righteous know-it-all-better Millennial.
This generation and those people are now unfortunately calling the shots, together with their equally predisposed Boomer parents.
As explained and predicted in The 4th Turning:
prophets+heros=autocracy.
This time around though, the ruin and our downfall happens for little and manufactured reasons, not to fight slavery or the Nazis or the plague, so they won’t be regarded as heroes in 50 years time but as the villains, similar to the Gilded generation if Gen Z doesn’t start to pay attention soon, it will amalgamate with them.
Sadly, this new regime will likely last for longer than I can still stay alive.

437444 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to JayBee, 4, #509 of 1350 🔗

‘poster child’

Uptick for that alone

437458 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to JayBee, 14, #510 of 1350 🔗

Owen Jones and the likes of Piers Morgan are the epitome of the state of our public discord, all shouting, name calling and trying to ‘gotya’ their target. They’ve monetised outrage and its infected politics and most media, gone are the adult debates and long-form discussions. The sooner people stop engaging with them the better.

437591 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JayBee, 7, #511 of 1350 🔗

Owen Jones is a type or person which sums up everything wrong in the UK.

437604 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #512 of 1350 🔗

You remember Monty Python’s “Summarise Proust” sketch…..if Graham Chapman were still with us- and would that he were- he would have “Summarised Murphy on Owen Jones” in five words…he’s a festering little tit.

437715 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JayBee, 2, #513 of 1350 🔗

It won’t outlast you unless you. plan to shuffle off the mortal very, very soon.
Please don’t.

437434 JayBee, 5, #515 of 1350 🔗

https://reitschuster.de/post/der-schwedische-weg-was-die-zahlen-sagen/
German math professor analysing Swedish Mortality stats and explaining Dry Tinder in layman’s terms, so that politicians and journos might have a chance to understand that they were absolutely within the norm and that the Swedish Way has NOT failed, to the contrary.

437436 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #516 of 1350 🔗

COVID 1984 brings to mind something from Shakespeare:

TRUTH WILL OUT

437445 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #517 of 1350 🔗

Still waiting for the Blair and Bush trials. The truth may out, but will there be justice?

437955 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Wolver, #518 of 1350 🔗

Will people stop saying things like that?! THIS is NOT the same.

THIS is the greateste crime against humanity against THE WEST.

It isn’t taking place in some developing country.

If you are saying they won’t be held to account then it means THEY WILL HAVE WON.

And that will mean we are in the TOTALITARIAN HEALTH STATE and so there is no point and it is over.

STOP SAYING THEY WON’T BE HELD TO ACCOUNT!

437441 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #519 of 1350 🔗

A decent man hijacked by the State

Beyond parody

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-56212135

437451 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cecil B, 12, #520 of 1350 🔗

What kind of person refers to a funeral as being ‘a spectacular’ … Used to be a time when they were dignified and sombre affairs. No doubt there will be endless clapping and flower throwing.

437473 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 2, #521 of 1350 🔗

I’m no advocate for ‘spectacular’. But the alternative isn’t shroud-waving-and-black-tie wearing gloominess.

Shit happens

Death happens

The lesson that so many appear to need to learn at this time.

437498 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to RickH, 5, #522 of 1350 🔗

I know ‘death happens’ but I think that funerals should be dignified solemn affairs not a bloody jamboree.

437586 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 2, #523 of 1350 🔗

So do I- anybody who rocks up to mine expecting some sort of happy-clappy “celebration” will be sorely disappointed.

437593 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to kh1485, 1, #524 of 1350 🔗

Matt Hancock

437484 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cecil B, 2, #525 of 1350 🔗

I’m amazed that it’s taken so long to get round to putting him into the ground.
Mind you, I don’t suppose there was any rush because saints’ bodies are incorruptible (allegedly).

437710 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #526 of 1350 🔗

In Wankok’s case, his pocky corpse will scarce hold the laying in.
Matches his weevilly little soul..

437486 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cecil B, 2, #527 of 1350 🔗

Looking at Flight Radar the BBC seem to have a helicopter over Bedfordshire. No expense spared.

437512 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #528 of 1350 🔗

They’ll be looking for people in parks enjoying themselves

437589 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to rose, 2, #529 of 1350 🔗

Or perhaps they’ve had a tip-off that Cliff Richard’s in the area.

437590 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Cecil B, 3, #530 of 1350 🔗

Given that far too many people seem to think it’s the only adjective of pejoration in the English language I’m always reluctant to deploy the word, but this cynical exploitation of a decent man, both in life and in death, makes me feel almost physically sick: it’s disgusting.

437446 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 6, #531 of 1350 🔗

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/was_zeigt_die_israel_studie_zum_biontech_pfizer_impfstoff_
German doctor analysing and thrashing the data and conclusions from Israel.
The Pfizer/BionTech gene therapy lowers ones risk to get mildly ill off the flu/Covid, nothing else.
The absolute risk reduction is again, like in trials, miniscule, even here.
The conclusions drawn and spread reg. lowering the risk of hospitalizations and deaths are totally wrong and basically fraudulent.

437460 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to JayBee, 6, #532 of 1350 🔗

I’ve believed all along that there is ostensibly no evidence of difference in therapeutic effect between being vaccinated or simply taking a paracetamol at the onset of mild cold symptoms. I say “ostensibly” in recognition of the fact that the former additionally presents an unquantifiable risk of short- , medium- , or long-term disability/chronic illness or even death. I say again, why would anyone of sound mind take the vaccine?

437464 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to JayBee, 7, #533 of 1350 🔗

Interesting article. The final bit that summarises things translates as

What does this mean for vaccination?

Anyone who is vaccinated with Tozinameran (the BioNTech / Pfizer vaccine) gets good protection against mild flu symptoms with the variants of the virus that were prevalent in Israel between December and January. The vaccine probably hardly protects against the severe course, especially not in the at risk groups. It certainly does not protect against death. Its medium to long-term risk potential, which is to cause autoimmune diseases or inflammation in the brain, remains unknown.

437477 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to JayBee, 2, #534 of 1350 🔗

I’d like to see a well done retrospective matched pair design observational study of residents experimentally vaccinated or not vaccinated in care homes in the UK.

So retrospectively for each care home vaccinee a non-vaccinated care home resident is used as a comparator based on matching demographic and clinical characteristics.

It would be interesting to see between those groups if all cause death was higher in the vaccinated group (or the unvaccinated group).

Don’t think it will happen, at least not publicly if the results are not what they want to hear.

Without that, although we have our suspicions, it’s hard to prove what we think has gone on in care homes.

437447 Smelly Melly, 37, #535 of 1350 🔗

Can I just say FUCK YOU Johnson, Hancock, SAGE and the Pig Farce.

That felt better.

437459 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #536 of 1350 🔗

The Guardian: It’s grin out there: why have lockdown deniers co-opted the smiley face?.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/27/why-have-lockdown-deniers-co-opted-the-smiley-face

437463 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #537 of 1350 🔗

It could represent self-realisation or a mindless rejection of reality. Writing in the Guide in 2009 , Jon Savage suggested that the Watchmen comics “used the smiley as a visual metaphor for a narrative that examines guilt, failure, megalomania and compromise with a corrupt power structure”. This paranoid vision, rather than the utopian acid house incarnation, feels suddenly much closer to the smiley’s newest usage .”

I think he’s got the wrong end of the stick

437469 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to CGL, 8, #538 of 1350 🔗

That belongs in the Woke Gobbledy Gook section.

437465 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #539 of 1350 🔗

Is a lockdown denier someone who thinks that they are not in lockdown? If so, I’d like to know what they’re smoking.

437480 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to godowneasy, 6, #540 of 1350 🔗

I’m curious as well since Dan Hodges spent the whole debate with Peter Hitchens,accusing him of being one despite being repeatedly asked not to.

437499 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #541 of 1350 🔗

Silly me. There was me thinking that it was showing that there is no scientific evidence that masks work and they are a coercive monstrosity, and that we should recognise the importance of being able to see a human face and the emotions it conveys.

437566 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Freecumbria, 14, #542 of 1350 🔗

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437461 Mic67, 8, #543 of 1350 🔗

On another note, (am still reeling from a comment from friend) have just seen plans are for Brighton Pride to go ahead this year.
As this mainly takes place on the streets, I’d love to know how some of the Vax Fash plan to not mix with the unclean. They’d better stay safe, stay home etc

437468 Binra, 5, #544 of 1350 🔗

Regardless of what Is fact beneath the codes mask of beliefs and assertion, the fiction is a stirring up of fear, guilt and hate by which to re-generate a sense of self-reinforcing ‘identity’. No less in the general comment here than in other ‘spin-offs’ from disturbing the ant’s nest.

There are no physical obstacles to our living life that are of any real matter.
But a psychic-emotional overlay generates rules and filters that paralyse the functional unfolding of human being – or rather – sacrifice human being to the frame of fear, denial and masking projection.

The only positive I see in this is seeing this is to choose not to see through the lens of the code being broadcast and propagated to hack and hijack our mind by tapping into the already existing pattern of judgement that can be observed as conflict-denial, casting out and locking down of a private sense of control set apart and over life.

It can be simply observed from the willingness to abide the conflict, feel the feeling, and move through temptation to react from conditioned past experience, to a self-honesty of simple awareness within life as presence -rather than in masking presentation.

To those who hath love, more shall be added.
But to those who hath lack set as denials masked as virtue, more shall be taken – even the little that they hath.
Law in Life is not imposed but inherent.

To the split of mind, set apart and over against an alienated ‘world, order is imposed over feared chaos, yet the fear and the control feed each other for they are of the same split mind.

Wholeness is in our capacity to discern order within Life, and the split mind from trauma operates a reversal of the operation of the Law, by giving priority and power to self-illusion at cost of truth, and thus set in conflict as attack on awareness of truth.

Thinking in the heart is not fear defined and fear driven. Honesty is congruency and coherence of thought, word and deed.

If a Reset to self-illusion at cost of truth is what you WANT, then persist in the split-mind of fear-driven conflict for what it ‘gives you’.

My own sense of the absurdity of the grotesque and hollow parody of life being shown to our face, is to maximise the awareness that we are responding to the awareness of a Choice as the alignment of will to thought, speech and behaviours. Such as to give consent of free willing according to our acceptance of a truly living will in place of a mind-set of denial and coded masking symbolic substitution (a mind of illusions and deceits).

Who has ears to hear – let them hear.
Releasing a false mind must recognise a lack if substance to what we took to be our self and world, within the willing discernment or desire for truth that heals to reveal an order that Humpty-Dumpty and All the king’s horses and all the king’s men CANNOT see.

This post continues. For the full post see:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/02/thinking-in-heart-is-who-you-are.html

437470 isobar, replying to isobar, 33, #545 of 1350 🔗

Britons give JVT the two finger salute
‘Locked-down Britons head out into parks in 59F temperatures as police warn public to stick to Covid rules and JVT urges people not to ‘relax’ while UK basks in early Spring sunshine’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9306565/Locked-Britons-warned-stick-Covid-rules.html

Best rated comment:

all done with the lies. People have had enough, we are in charge and politicians are temporary until we decide to kick them out.

108 upticks 10 downticks (still early days!)

437478 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to isobar, 23, #546 of 1350 🔗

Dear Mx JVT,

It clearly bothers you, this Pandemic of positive test results. Please do stay indoors, I’m available for a spot of welding if required. Maybe not until tomorrow actually, I’m off to enjoy a nice BBQ in the sunshine with friends.

Yours,

A normal human being that hasn’t lost their f’ing mind.

437482 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #547 of 1350 🔗

Nice offer, let’s hope that he takes you up on it!

437502 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 21, #548 of 1350 🔗

Just driven past a car park to a riverside park on the outskirts of Bewdley in Worcestershire and I have never known it so rammed with cars in the 13 years I have lived in the area, then I went past the large car park to the forestry centre in the Wyre forest on the border with Shropshire and it was even more packed/rammed/crowded (feel free to add your own adjectives)!!
Message to Bozzer, Funguson,Witless,Valueless and all the rest of you: Get real and smell the coffee and admit the fact that only the extreme sheep and collaborators are taking any notice of your fear mongering.
OPEN UP SOCIETY NOW!!!!

437505 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #549 of 1350 🔗

Fantastic : people are doing it for themselves!

437534 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 2, #550 of 1350 🔗

They certainly are.

437676 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #551 of 1350 🔗

Kind of nice that these people are out exercising. What would they otherwise be doing, shopping?
Although I guess a lot of families would take their kids to organised sports.

437471 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 23, #552 of 1350 🔗

Manufacture a pathogen or use a normal mutation of an existing one.
Lump as many normal illnesses symptoms together as you can and label them and it as a novel disease created by that pathogen.
Create fear, sow confusion, make sure everything can be exaggerated but nothing proven, follow the normal psy-op playbook, hence tests, cts, different kinds of lockdowns in different countries etc..
Introduce the new, medically completely unnecessary and likely harmful but very profitable and effective control mechanism (vaccine and vaccine Passports), whilst starting to implement your real agenda, the conditioning of the people (masks, SD, denunciation etc.), the destruction of travel, tourism, SMEs, anyone independent, to the benefit of the tech/medical/military/Green industrial complexes and civil servants.
Fascism 101, but now on a coordinated, global scale.
And that’s before arguing that they also pursue an eugenic agenda.
How can anyone with an IQ above 50 not see this anymore?!

437475 ▶▶ John001, replying to JayBee, 6, #553 of 1350 🔗

I don’t think there’s much of a green industrial complex but there’s certainly greenwash galore.

437501 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to John001, 3, #554 of 1350 🔗

Ask Al Gore how much he made when he invented the idea of selling air (CO2) to people.

437504 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to zacaway, #555 of 1350 🔗

He started a company with David Blood named…..wait for it…..

Blood & Gore

https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/11/03/blood-and-gore-making-a-killing-on-anti-carbon-investment-hype/

Can’t make this shit up…oh…evidently it is

437620 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to stefarm, #556 of 1350 🔗

Remember the election broadcasts against sex and violence? Came from Bush & Gore!!!

437706 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JayBee, 2, #557 of 1350 🔗

How many Brits have an IQ of above 50?

437766 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 341 of lockdown), replying to Annie, #558 of 1350 🔗
437479 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 10, #559 of 1350 🔗

WEF delete tweet claiming ‘lockdowns are quietly improving cities around the world’ https://twitter.com/wef/status/1365614687514165248?s=20

437639 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Mic67, 3, #560 of 1350 🔗

Too late! Lots of people have seen it, and hate WEF for it.

437485 RickH, 7, #561 of 1350 🔗

I was just contemplating a simple fact from the Rationalist standpoint.

… namely the time period necessary (for me – a rationalist) to evaluate the pattern of all-cause mortality in relation to significant context. A fairly simple exercise dealing with a single variable.

And then I look at the timescale involved in developing, administering and evaluating (allegedly) a novel vaccine.

The term ‘Mickey Mouse’ comes to mind in terms of credibility.

437487 Sampa, 17, #562 of 1350 🔗

For those that are interested in how things are going in other parts of the world, this is what came out of the routine TV show starring our wonderful governor for the state of São Paulo in Brazil. I live and work here so what happens in most other states doesn’t interest me much, sorry Amapa 🙂 I am aware of what is going on in Santa Catarina (partner lives there now) and Rio (offshore helicopters run out of there) so I’m not completely self absorbed.

Anyway, back to SP.

Most over 85s have been stabbed with CoronaVac, over 80s can line up from Monday to get theirs now that more raw materials have arrived from China.

256 deaths were attributed to Covid yesterday. Treat that number with a very large pinch of salt, there is a state decree that any suspicion of Covid goes on the certificate. If you cough passing the fifth floor on the way down it won’t be the sudden stop that gets you, it’s Covid. The total for Brazil was around 1500.

ICU occupation is at 90%*. What happened to the field hospitals set up at great expense? Never used and deactivated at the end of 2020.

A night-time curfew (2300 – 0500) was decreed on Wednesday.

From today most of the state is back in the orange band. Non-essential businesses can open with limited hours and a maximum of 40% occupancy. Bars can open until 2000, restaurants until 2200, but no booze to be served after 2000.

Masks and social distancing remain compulsory, but as our police aren’t handing out fines, that isn’t being respected very much.

Schools reopened at the beginning of the month, the teachers union are trying to get the public sector teachers out on strike.

The Federal government has announced another emergency payment for those in difficulties. It’s not very much but better than nothing.

Unemployment and bankruptcies continue to grow at an alarming rate.

*
A quick note here. When my late wife was terminally ill three years ago we never saw the ICUs at 90%, it was always much closer to 120%. Our health system was screwed up long before Covid hove into view.

437490 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #563 of 1350 🔗

Strolling through the park and into our local town market it was depressing to see 75% wearing masks. It’s worse than ever! One elderly lady who dared cough was given a Medusa-like stare it was a wonder the poor woman wasn’t turned to stone. The young couple who were walking behind quickly swerved to one side and hurriedly bypassed the woman as if she was plague ridden. Such is the state of things in this country.

438414 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Bella Donna, #564 of 1350 🔗

Covid swervers 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

437492 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #565 of 1350 🔗

If the Mail has truly broken ranks then maybe, just maybe we’re at the end of the beginning.

“Good, good! So it’s begun at last! I’ve been itching for trouble all this year, but folks wouldn’t help. And I’ve had the kids to think of. These ruffians don’t stick at nothing. But come on now, lads! Bywater is up! We must be in it!”

(with apologies to J.R.R Tolkien).

437519 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #566 of 1350 🔗

The Mail, to its credit imo, has never been fully in the ranks of either side. It was one of the few places early on to continue to publish a few genuine dissenting voices early on, and it continued to publish panicker propaganda throughout, as well.

437530 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Mark, 8, #567 of 1350 🔗

Most of the newspapers of the Mail, Express, etc. have been pretty schizophrenic on all of this. Sometimes the articles and items themselves offer 2 opposite views within the same column.

Go figure!

437553 ▶▶ WilliamC, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #568 of 1350 🔗

In the 2020 rewrite, the masked-up hobbits joined a socially-distant protest before ritually ‘taking the finger’ out of respect for Frodo.

437557 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to WilliamC, 1, #569 of 1350 🔗

Lol.

437703 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #570 of 1350 🔗

Lord, send us an army of sturdy hobbitry.

437744 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Starlin, #571 of 1350 🔗

My view is that they were sitting on this. And the mandate vax threats and passports have pushed them to light the touch paper.

437836 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #572 of 1350 🔗

”The battle of Helm’s Deep is over; the battle for Middle Earth is about to begin.”

The battle of ”covid” is over. The battle for our country is about to begin.

437493 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 18, #573 of 1350 🔗

I’m happy to report that ambient noise in Bangkok is at 100% of its usual level, pollution is recovering to normal and I am, for the first time since what feels like about 1574, enjoying a cold beer and playing pool at a congenial hostelry. Normality is out there. All you have to do is do it.

437507 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #574 of 1350 🔗

To put that death figure into context, 392 people in Thailand died in road accidents in 2020. On New Year’s Eve. (Although the statistics are criminally skewed because they include any deaths among people who had road accidents on New Year’s Eve and then died within 28 days. I am not joking.)

437513 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #575 of 1350 🔗

Sigh, I had posted another comment but my browser crashed and ate it. The death statistic.., Thailand’s covid death tally soared during the recent semi-lockdownish-sort-of-thing from 47 nationwide to 83.

437496 CGL, replying to CGL, 16, #576 of 1350 🔗

Letters from school received this morning re testing.
Absolutely nothing about it being voluntary – just turn-up times and ‘must wear a mask and socially distance’ and all that crap.

Every time I receive anything from them, it contains a threat.
I am under siege in my own home by these evil people, and I can’t escape them.

437516 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to CGL, 5, #577 of 1350 🔗

But surely they have to ask for your consent for testing?

438044 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to End of Tether, #578 of 1350 🔗

They said they would in the last letter, but there is no letter of consent with the instructions to turn up.
Don’t worry we will fight. Only issue is that our 18 yr old would rather have the test than cause trouble with the school. Now that is exactly what they want isn’t it. She is an adult, so she is entitled to make up her own mind, but this is coercion and threat. It is wrong.

437523 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to CGL, 4, #579 of 1350 🔗

The government itself has said masks are not mandatory in schools.

DavidC

437540 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to CGL, 14, #580 of 1350 🔗

Send them your own threat – if they touch your child without your consent you will sue them for assault!

437552 ▶▶ Janette, replying to CGL, 6, #581 of 1350 🔗

Be strong and say no

438047 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, #583 of 1350 🔗

Thank you – I have a couple of letters from laworfiction and powertothepeople that I have already saved down.
We will be fighting.

437497 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 54, #584 of 1350 🔗

Comment at the Mail:

Yes it happened to my family member too. End stage vascular dementia was recorded as Covid 19 on death certificate. Why did the Govt need to falsify death numbers? Why did the Govt massively exaggerate case numbers by using a PCR threshold well in excess of what is needed? Why did the Govt spend hundreds of millions on propaganda to scare a nation? A genuine pandemic would surely be obvious enough without? Well, we now know it is NOT a genuine pandemic but an excuse to implement freedom-destroying vaccine passports which would be the gateway for the introduction of a Chinese-style digitalised, restricted-access, bio-ID social credit system. Please research The Great Reset, The 4th Industrial Revolution, Agenda 2030 and Central Bank Digital Currency before it’s too late. A totalitarian, trans-human technocracy is being implemented unless we RESIST and say NO!!! We must pass on our freedoms intact to future generations!

437508 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #585 of 1350 🔗

Fabulous!

437518 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to isobar, 17, #586 of 1350 🔗

There is an avalanche of comments on their piece questioning the death stats. 99.999% vehemently anti-agenda.

437522 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Starlin, 17, #587 of 1350 🔗

Yes, this storm of hostility has been brewing for a while, great to see it finally unleashed.

437527 ▶▶ I am Spartacas, replying to Jo Starlin, 28, #588 of 1350 🔗

A genuine pandemic would surely be obvious enough without?

As Peter Hitchens once remarked – ‘This must be the first pandemic in history where the government has had to go out and actively search for it’

437598 ▶▶▶ David Ashton, replying to I am Spartacas, 14, #589 of 1350 🔗

It must be the first respiratory disease where you need a test to know you’ve got it.

437701 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to I am Spartacas, 4, #590 of 1350 🔗

WANTED: ONE PANDEMIC.
LAST SEEN SOMEWHERE OR OTHER
PEOPLE SEARCHING FOR IT SHOULD NOT BE APPROACHED.
REWARD TO FINDER: EXTRA SNAKE-OIL.

437819 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 1, #591 of 1350 🔗

”Last seen, wandering vaguely, quite of its own accord….”

Which is why no-one can hide from it. As Mike Yeadon said ”It’s like the weather – it’s still there when you come out….”

437868 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to I am Spartacas, 1, #592 of 1350 🔗

The fact that they have to stick chopsticks up people’s noses is dodgy enough.

437571 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #593 of 1350 🔗

Repeal Corona Virus Act Now.

(There are provisions for taking children without parental consent. Also they can demolish your home if it is believed to be contaminated. The decision makers are not clearly defined.)

437576 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #594 of 1350 🔗

I’ve got CV2020 on my desktop, and what P.I. has posted is completely correct.

437624 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #595 of 1350 🔗

Agreed. I’m about to write to my MP – yet again. She usually does reply, but it’s always with the party line. I did ask her if she was happy that these new laws have not been debated or scrutinised – she didn’t reply to that, so perhaps the party line doesn’t tell her what she should think about it.

437500 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 31, #596 of 1350 🔗

Give it up Van-Tam. It’s over, but you are too stupid to realise it. I expect those senior figures behind this global atrocity and crimes against humanity to either start blaming one another soon, or simply disappearing. This will end up like a Nazi hunt in future.

437630 ▶▶ Alice, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 8, #597 of 1350 🔗

We hope.

437503 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 10, #598 of 1350 🔗

When the sun came shining, and I was strolling
And the wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
A voice was chanting, as the fog was lifting,
This land was made for you and me.

As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said “Social Distancing.”
But on the other side it didn’t say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.

Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can make me wear that face mask
This land was made for you and me.

437585 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #599 of 1350 🔗

This land is your land, this land is my land,
From the dark north mountains to the Channel Islands,
From the Cornish moorlands to the Solent waters
This land was made for you and me.

And hopefully we’ll get it back again soon.

437509 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #600 of 1350 🔗

I really don’t understand the credibility given to symptom tracking apps – by lockdowners or even us on occasion. Self reporting of symptoms seems a highly inaccurate indicator for the progress of a disease with such a vague selection of generic symptoms from cough, sore throat, headache, etc. Most of the symptoms would previously have been considered indicative of a cold.

437517 ▶▶ leggy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #601 of 1350 🔗

It’s a hypochondriac’s wet dream.

437579 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #602 of 1350 🔗

I find it hard to understand why ANYONE would put any faith in an ”app”, especially one that’s custom-made for surveillance and invasion of privacy. Why do people do it?

437613 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Banjones, 7, #603 of 1350 🔗

I find I have less and less in common with the human race. I cannot understand them at all. Thank goodness for LS!

437628 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #604 of 1350 🔗

I have the same feeling, and it’s getting stronger by the day.

437699 ▶▶ Annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #605 of 1350 🔗

I am compelled to self-report bedwetting.
Very serious.
The fact that I absent-mindedly put a hot-water bottle between the sheets, without first putting in the stopper, is purely coincidental.

437511 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 22, #606 of 1350 🔗

Got my Workers of England Union membership pack today. Now, on to taking on my employers over the mask mandate 💪

437577 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Jinks, 6, #607 of 1350 🔗

Good luck! Let us know how it goes. The mandating of masks is the most foul, dehumanising and disgusting ‘rule’ ever made up by the evil manipulators of the risibly-named ”SAGE”.

I keep referring to Zoe Harcombe’s information on this self-serving bunch of nowts. It’s been up there for a long time, so obviously no-one’s sued her yet.

https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/

437607 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Banjones, 5, #608 of 1350 🔗

My workplace even gave out those nano-silver/titanium tech masks two months ago, which we have four of, to be washed and reused up to 30 times each! The same ones that have just been flagged as potentially toxic in Belgium. I claimed face-covering exemption months ago, but needless to say, they’ve been very difficult!

437635 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Jinks, 1, #609 of 1350 🔗

got mine too 😉

437962 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, #610 of 1350 🔗

Good luck!!!

437514 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #611 of 1350 🔗

Excellent piece by Dr Murphy, not least for its thorough and measured assessment of the utterly contemptible Owen Jones.

The recognition of the fundamental difference between the covid panicker frame of reference and that which sees the issue for what it actually is – just another respiratory virus pandemic, not markedly different in scale or nature from those we are exposed to every few decades – is useful. The corollary is that, as has often been recognised, in the absence of any shared framework of belief the default resort is to force. And that is what we have seen with lockdown and coerced mask wearing.

It is no accident that the Herzog film features the dispossession of a native people by a profiteering corporation, for the differend has been a powerful tool in the exploitation of native peoples by imperial interests of all kinds, imposing as a neutral framework the value system of occupying forces and thereby silencing the voices of the colonised even when explicitly championing their rights and freedoms .”

Worth noting here that Murphy herself resorts to the almost unavoidable position of adopting the framework of one side (in this case, as usual in those adopting the dogmas of the modern US sphere, that of the “native peoples”, provided of course that the “native peoples” in question are not white western indigenes resisting mass immigration – that would be outside the Overton Window for such people).

The reality is, of course, that between peoples who regard land ownership (or property ownership) as legitimate and fundamental, and peoples who do not, and in the absence of some kind of overarching agreement on morality and law, there can be only war – the domain of force. That war might be active or it might be inactive for periods and for particular cultures at particular times, but it is the underlying relationship at all times. It is only the complete defeat of the peoples with the latter view that allows for the complacent and naive ideas about “native peoples” that predominate in US sphere societies (tracing back to silly, naive romanticism). When societies that live by land ownership have had to coexist side by side with societies that don’t on more or less equal terms, violence has been commonplace, and the non-land owning peoples generally viewed by the land owners, based on experience, as potentially and often actively dangerous barbarians.

A society that does not respect land ownership, or particular structures of property ownership, does not confine its views to its own living areas. It necessarily extends those ideas to the places where land owning societies live, and if it is powerful enough will eventually impose its views by force. Because contrary to the romantic naifs, “native peoples” are not angels, but are human beings every bit as prone to greed, hatred, anger, lust and violence as other peoples. This is a dynamic that has played out for millennia, throughout human history, as when, for instance, pastoralists have conflicted with farmers, and with hunter gatherers.

Fortunately in this case we still have shared structures of law and politics that contain the dispute between covid panickers and the devotees of normality (I make no pretence at neutrality in this dispute). But Murphy’s piece highlights the reality that force underlies the split, and thus neither side will likely accept the rulings of that shared structure. I do not accept that laws imposing coerced lockdowns or coerced wearing of masks are legitimate – I regard them as outside the proper scope of law because they interfere with basic, unalienable liberty. Nor do I accept that politics warped and shaped by massive propaganda and behavioural manipulation are legitimate.

I accept these things because I must. They are imposed by force majeure. But when and if opportunities arise to resist them, or to overthrow them by force, I shall take them.

437535 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mark, #612 of 1350 🔗

Mark you should come and comment at Going Postal, you would be very welcome there.

437677 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jo Starlin, #613 of 1350 🔗

Appreciate the invite, though I’m not familiar with the site. A blog?

437515 leggy, replying to leggy, 48, #614 of 1350 🔗

Many moons ago, I was a psychology student. One of our lecturers was a really interesting guy called John. Aside from teaching psychology and having many great stories to tell, he was also a hypnotist. I was always a little sceptical of this until I saw him demonstrate the practice on several occasions during lessons.

Anyway, in order for him to be able to hypnotise someone, he first had to establish whether they were susceptible to suggestion. There are three tests for this and if you were to watch an episode of Derrin Brown, whilst the opening credits are running you can see him performing those tests on the audience in order to be able to identify who he can use for his show. I “failed” all of the tests, which are essentially about following instructions to the letter, but many were identified as suitable for old John’s demonstrations, which were always entertaining and fascinating. He did some really impressive (and overwhelmingly good) things for some of the students who were facing anxiety or other teenage issues.

Broadly speaking, you could divide these test results for any group of people into thirds:

1/3 – extremely susceptible to suggestion – this is the hypnotist’s target market.
1/3 – moderately susceptible to suggestion – perhaps could be hypnotised.
1/3 – not susceptible to suggestion – unlikely to be hypnotised.

Many times over the last year I’ve considered what I observed and learned all those years ago in terms of what we’re witnessing now. I’ve no doubt that the media onslaught, especially the govt’s propaganda messaging, the adverts and three word slogans are a form of hypnosis. Conditioning people to think and act differently through suggestion and psychological manipulation. We know that it’s no coincidence that there are so many behavioural psychologists advising govt. through this.

I guess where I’m going with this is that I surmise that if we were to run the tests on those who participate here, we’d very likely find that we all exist in the last cohort. Those who are not susceptible to suggestion and cannot to be hypnotised. Has anyone here had any first hand experience of hypnosis? Perhaps to stop smoking or similar? Curious to know!

437521 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to leggy, 10, #615 of 1350 🔗

I went to see a comedy hypnotist at Blackpool Pleasure Beach and he got my mate to offer blow jobs in the toilet at the interval.

437538 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #616 of 1350 🔗

Hope that he charged!

437547 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #617 of 1350 🔗

Any takers?

437619 ▶▶▶ Jo Dominich, replying to Tom Blackburn, -2, #618 of 1350 🔗

Hypnotism cannot do that because you are fully conscious.

437525 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 5, #619 of 1350 🔗

Great post!

So true, hypnotists look for the ‘susceptible to suggestion’ when doing a show.

Maybe we should include that as part of choosing a love interest…..

437532 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 1, #620 of 1350 🔗

I wish I’d thought of that!

437550 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to leggy, 15, #621 of 1350 🔗

More seriously, the Muslims discovered forcing people to wear a face covering made them more suggestible or easier to manipulate, hence the cultural preference for making women cover their faces.

437584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #622 of 1350 🔗

I think the act of doing something reinforces the submission to the message.

You don’t argue with your own body and the message is then sited in the muscle memory. Think of the effect of getting smartly dressed for work or putting on overalls to start a job: it isn’t just the prompting but the movement as well.

Absolutely frightening.

437588 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #623 of 1350 🔗

They tried that in Yorkshire.The picture shows the response.

437617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bungle, 5, #624 of 1350 🔗

I know him very well- he’s a lovely man. Still acting!

437967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bungle, #625 of 1350 🔗

Really? I think Yorkshire is following the rules hook line and sinker.

Fallen for the plandemic so hardly meriting that smugness, i THINK.

437963 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Nessimmersion, #626 of 1350 🔗

That happened THROUGHOUT history in the Upper Classes. And it isn’t the islamic worlds’ fault that your cultural masters let in their trash in order to ruin your country.

The Classical Greek women of standing weren’t all naked like in the statues.

437549 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to leggy, 3, #627 of 1350 🔗

And then they poll those who are extremely susceptible to suggestion.

437583 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to neilhartley, 4, #628 of 1350 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised if a large proportion of us here are resistant to taking part in surveys (of all kinds) for a variety of reasons. That probably explains partly why surveys are so lockdown friendly because the sheep are more likely to take part in surveys.

437594 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to OKUK, 1, #629 of 1350 🔗

I’m not but I’d be careful to avoid any which I know fix the result. Fraudsters.

437560 ▶▶ John001, replying to leggy, 6, #630 of 1350 🔗

I’m immune to hypnosis. But in Feb and Mar 2020 the media were already in full-on propaganda mode. I was briefly taken in, so were some non-medics I know with science degrees … they must have briefly trusted the reporting of deaths from Italy.

437599 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to John001, 12, #631 of 1350 🔗

I wouldn’t say I was “taken in” but because so little was known about the virus, it took a while for me to educate myself about it and while I was doing that it seemed that lockdowns of some type might be necessary. The beginning of scepticism was finding out it was a coronavirus and that a coronavirus was – something our bodies are very familiar with. I then began noticing huge variations in how the disease was affecting countries, that didn’t seem related to lockdowns. The fact Japan and Sweden didn’t have huge fatalities despite not adopting stringent lockdown but then Belgium, Spain and Italy did have big fatality figures despite their early and stringent lockdowns further strengthened my scepticism.

I now think the mass hsyteria of spring 2020 might well have contributed to the fatality figures. Imagine if every year we frightened people out of their wits about flu describing the horrendous effects it can have on the body (all true) and suggesting that everyone was vulnerable to being killed or maimed for life by the disease (all true). Imgaining the effect on people with respiratory and related health problems of seeing TV reports of people struggling for breath in ICUs. Anxiety levels would shoot upm, people would experience breathing difficulties and I am sure we would have many more flu deaths, especially if it was a bad flu year and such people were mixing with others who had flu and had been hospitalised.

437603 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to OKUK, 10, #632 of 1350 🔗

It was the Diamond Princess cruise ship that truly confirmed it.

437602 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to John001, 4, #633 of 1350 🔗

Indeed, there were definitely be an element of being swept along with the tide. I think that’s inescapable in a society that largely accepts everything the media tells it at face value. I doubt all of us, but many of us here would likely have questioned other significant narratives in the past (Iraq/WMD as an example) and were therefore better prepared to go and look at the evidence and data rather than just accept the official line. I don’t think there’s been a situation where the counter narrative has ever had such a strong argument as this.

437697 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to leggy, 4, #634 of 1350 🔗

If you’d ever had anything you did, said, witnessed, or were involved in taken up by the media, believe me you would NEVER believe anything they said ever again.

437638 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to John001, 5, #635 of 1350 🔗

For me, the equation was simple: the disease was going to be as bad to the extent that the population was already sick. We hadn’t had a war, famine or appalling weather, there had been no food shortage, water quality good, house heating had been normal, exercise much the same.

I concluded that if the country had already experienced a flu epidemic in the recent past with say 20 – 30,000 deaths, then SarsCoV2 had to be about the same.

The only real change as far as I could see over the past few years was that flu vaccination had been ramped up amongst the sick and elderly which means that they wouldn’t be ready for the next virus to hit – add a few more thousand.

And so it came to pass.

I was therefore never afraid of the virus. I’m afraid of ill-health. infirmity and old age but not of a new virus – the virus doesn’t make us sick – it’s everything else that does that.

And just to add, it didn’t take long to figure out what was going on in Bergamo: an aging population, lots of vaccinations, appalling air pollution, little exercise – a pandemic waiting to happen.

437646 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to John001, 1, #636 of 1350 🔗

This was my epiphany moment – it now reads even better with the benefit of hindsight.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/01/24/reality-check-coronavirus-fear-porn/

437970 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to John001, 1, #637 of 1350 🔗

I certainly was, for a week or so. But then my basic evolutionary common sense kicked in. So lacking in so many people.

I was in France. It was a steep learning curve from then to now.

438415 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to John001, #638 of 1350 🔗

The red flags went up for me when people started saying „the new normal“. In March 2020!!!

437578 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to leggy, 15, #639 of 1350 🔗

It is worth noting that the principal means of “transmission” is the TV: background images, emotional stories, background music (to serious news items), quickly shifting images (that disorientate), soothing familar voices, relentless repetition.

It’s all there and the viewer is sitting still and insensible in a comfortable, warm environment. Susceptibility, I would have thought, needn’t be very high for a complete hypnotic effect.

It might be that the difference between a lockdown sceptic and a True Believer is simply the fact that we don’t watch much BBC TV news (as I think has been pointed out many times on this site!).

437609 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Portnadler, 3, #640 of 1350 🔗

Very valid points. Given the prolonged duration and volume of the media messaging, perhaps the situation is more about conditioning a la Pavlov’s dog, that it is about hypnosis. Though I suspect the two things are quite closely related.

Alas, I didn’t pursue psychology and it was a long time ago, but I’d be very interested to hear the views of any professionals on the subject.

438370 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to leggy, #641 of 1350 🔗

tv puts watchers into an alpha-state. Increased suggestibility, less critical thinking.

437656 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Portnadler, 2, #642 of 1350 🔗

The whole episode will in the future be manna to academic psychologists who want to describe an example of the recognised phenomenon labelled the ‘illusory truth effect’ or ‘illusion of truth effect’.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/xge-0000098.pdf

I deliberately avoided linking to a recent article I found taking the line that lockdown and vaccine sceptics are victims of this phenomenon!

437709 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Portnadler, 1, #643 of 1350 🔗

It was seeing the use of clear propaganda methods in the government promo on the BBC [aka ‘press conferences].

It was immediately obvious that these were the same techniques of exaggeration, distortion and omission that had been used to promulgate the nonsense about ‘anti-semitism’ in the Labour Party. In both cases, a look at the evidence showed that the truth was at the polar opposite of the message, and was about the establishment gaining control of the narrative.

Again – the same channels were used, with heavy establishment involvement of security service connections back to the Cabinet Office. The Guardian is always a good bellwether for these initiatives since its sell-out some ten years ago.

437592 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 2, #644 of 1350 🔗

I think you are onto something here. That would explain a lot if true.

437916 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to leggy, 2, #645 of 1350 🔗

Yes, I have been hypnotised. I am apparently extremely difficult to hypnotise, and had to get a person with an extremely strong personality before my subconscious would “accept the suggestion”.

It works much better if you don’t realise the process is happening. In other words, the subliminal version of the government’s “three phrases” attached to the lectern is much more effective than the actual press briefing. Which is why it’s done that way, of course.

The staring eyes of that bastard Whitty in that photo a while ago (or the disgraceful “look them in the eyes” adverts) are deliberately done for the same purpose, which is why I hate those adverts (and the people behind them) so much.

437528 Lockdown Sceptic, 6, #646 of 1350 🔗

This is How Much Money the Drug Companies Make on the shot

Sanity 4 Sweden

… and Joe Biden bombing Syria after 35 days in office

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goRq4evBMAA&list=WL&index=22

437533 isobar, 31, #647 of 1350 🔗

THE SUN CARRIES ESSENTIALLY THE SAME STORY AS THE DM. Another two fingers to JVT

WHAT LOCKDOWN? Crowds flock to riverside despite warnings as UK to bask in 13C sunshine and warm weather today

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14180274/uk-weather-today-crowds-riverside-lockdown-sunshine/

 Mixed bag of comments, some approving some disapproving. This one caught my eye and got a lot of upticks

‘ The British people have taken the last year of Tyranny far better than I ever thought they ever would but I will guarantee that once the sun comes out and its nice and warm the Stasi are not going to be able to keep the Tyranny going any longer and I think that they know this really
The Government needs to quickly come up with a Plan B that allows us to live with Covid as we live with other risks and diseases and to quickly sort out the disgrace this virus has shown the NHS to be considering the amount of taxpayers cash it gets every year and the amount its had thrown at it last year’

437537 Silke David, 4, #648 of 1350 🔗

Hamburg, Germany reports every care home resident who wanted a vaccine had their 2nd dose. They stuck to the 3 weeks.
They have seen a rise in +tests last week, but in the media it is not reported where these are. So I guess in about 2 weeks time all the +tests in care homes after vaccination will drop.
Kids are not in school, actually on holiday from 1st – 12th March.
So will be interesting to see what happens.

437541 Mic67, 20, #649 of 1350 🔗

There is a small demo here on the seafront in support of our only domestic violence charity which has had its funding cut.
The half wits on the FB page of the local rag are losing their minds ‘because lockdown’
The irony is lost on them.

437563 Lockdown Sceptic, 4, #650 of 1350 🔗

New Border Crisis strikes in Dover.

27 Feb 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGlIONIcwG8

Nigel Farage

437567 BJs Brain is Missing, 11, #651 of 1350 🔗

For those who do not think this coronavirus pandemic was planned just have a look at the shape and design of the Olympic stadium (from above) and now West Ham’s football ground. Also, recall the nature of the Olympic opening ceremony (all the NHS guff etc.) The symbolism is all there for those with eyes that see.

437582 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 39, #652 of 1350 🔗

Nobody should show compassion or forgiveness to lockdown traitors, look at the plight of KH1485 these people have been trying to run I think a cafe, and they have had constant hassle from jumped up Fucks on ego power trips, these people should be shown no respect.. Trying to make a living is a birthright not a crime..

437669 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #653 of 1350 🔗

I agree for the most part. Some people have so thoroughly enjoyed themselves and made other people’s lives a living hell. KH is a total heroine and I am making my way to Saffron Walden as soon as my attempt to shake her hand and then hug her would not get us both arrested.
I do think some people have been the victims of project fear and we should cut them some slack if we can bear to. All this presupposes we are seeing the beginning of the end and we get to make the choice how we treat the various degrees of collaboration.

437864 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #654 of 1350 🔗

Indeed. And now this shitshow is falling apart some home truths need to be rammed home to a large part of our society.

437597 isobar, replying to isobar, 29, #655 of 1350 🔗

Dm readers tell SAGE to get stuffed.

‘People might abandon lockdown rules EARLY if they think the Covid threat is low or that they are immune as restrictions are eased slowly, SAGE warns’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9304225/Coronavirus-UK-Public-abandon-lockdown-rules-early-think-immune-SAGE-warns.html

Best rated comment:

‘Go to any local park today, nobody cares anymore! Are sage and the government blind? People have already voted with their feet and rightly so, stop trying to scare us into locking ourselves away! ‘. 957 upticks 28 downticks

Some of the other best rated comments are priceless!

437623 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to isobar, 21, #656 of 1350 🔗

I looked at the first photo above and you have pretty much commented for me. They need to leave people alone now and let them decide on their own risks. They need to stop trying to keep people locked up for what has basically been no worse statistically than a “bad flu” and they need to stop making up their new variants when it suits to try and scare people some more. If anyone still wants to stay at home then that’s fine, it’s entirely upto them. And can they please stop the “protect the NHS” because this is what the opening paragrapgh of the NHS Constitutions says:

The NHS belongs to the people.

It is there to improve our health and wellbeing, supporting us to keep mentally and physically well, to get better when we are ill and, when we cannot fully recover, to stay as well as we can to the end of our lives. ” etc.

We pay for the NHS through our taxes. Every salary of every Nurse, Dr and Administrator. It is there to protect the people, those who pay for it and not the other way round.

437632 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Suzyv, 11, #657 of 1350 🔗

Well said! Am sick and tired this Protect the NHS stuff.

438164 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Suzyv, #658 of 1350 🔗

Repeal Corona Virus Act Now. It invests too many draconian powers in the “government”.

437605 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #659 of 1350 🔗

71% of white healthcare workers in the Leicester area have had the vaccine(s) – only 37% of BAME healthcare workers have, according to Ross Clark. It’s not just the colour difference that makes those figures interesting, it’s the fact that healthcare workers, who are more likely to have thought about it are so much fewer in numbers that the rest of the flock.

437614 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #660 of 1350 🔗

and most of those white HCW’s will probably be in mostly administrative roles.

437621 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jinks, 4, #661 of 1350 🔗

And a high proportion of Doctors are from ethnic minorities.

437658 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #662 of 1350 🔗

The study is here

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.11.21251548v3

And my table of their results is attached.

Less vaccine overconfidence in doctors for sure

437606 rockoman, 2, #663 of 1350 🔗

“Can isolation lead to manipulation?
When military-funded researchers set out to discover whether isolation techniques could facilitate brainwashing, neuroscientist John Lilly suggested instead that isolation might improve our own control over our minds.”

https://wellcomecollection.org/articles/W1bwkyYAACUAqy10

I would suggest that isolation in a the presence of a transmitting TV leads to brainwashing.

On the other hand, if directed consciously, as in Yoga, it can probably increase our control over our own minds.

437608 richardw53, replying to richardw53, 8, #664 of 1350 🔗

The WEF video celebrating silent cities seems to have been taken down. Pity, I was going to send it to my MP whose intern replied on his behalf to my earlier concerns about the WEF agenda, saying I shouldn’t listen to conspiracy theories.

On the same subject, I notice that the deceitful Gove is now in charge of our relationship with the WEF. How reassuring.

437616 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to richardw53, 18, #665 of 1350 🔗

The WEF is a private organization. Why does the government need to have a high-ranking member in charge of relations with it?

Who is in charge of gvernment relations with my golf club?

437649 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, 9, #666 of 1350 🔗

Too right Rockoman! That’s outrageous, especially as WEF is run by a snake oil salesman, whose immediate family benefit financially from it. We don’t have a Minister for Facebook, though perhaps we should! BTW if you see the phrase “Fourth Industrial Revolution” slipped into a speech beware! That’s a Schwab tell. Biden used it recently. Along with “Build Back Better” it’s a sign of the cult.

437610 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #667 of 1350 🔗

Dear Dierdre

I first contracted covid in January 1846

I didn’t make a big thing of it at the time as I am not that sort of person

I had a week in bed and then went back to work

I’m thinking of having the jab, is this wise or am I just vax curious

Conflicted of East Cheam

437650 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 2, #668 of 1350 🔗

You’ve been dead a long time so I wouldn’t worry about it.

437611 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 14, #669 of 1350 🔗

I know this has been mentioned before, but here is a link

https://www.nyatider.nu/council-of-europe-no-compulsory-vaccinations-and-no-discrimination-against-the-unvaccinated/

The council of Europe has decreed no compulsory vaccinations and no discrimination to the unvaccinated. This article is a Swedish paper but it’s in English.

The council of Europe is NOT a part of the EU, and the United Kingdom IS one of the members of the council.

My question is, is this enforceable? So is it a law? I don’t know how these things work. Anybody know?

437634 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #670 of 1350 🔗

“The Council of Europe is an intergovernmental European cooperation organization with 47 Member States, which, despite its name and the same flag, is separate from the EU. Its resolutions are not legally binding, but recommendations to Member States are almost always complied with…”.
So no, it’s not a law but a resolution – recommendation?

437645 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Barbara Baker, 3, #671 of 1350 🔗

Yes I read they are not incorporated in the member’s laws as such and so are not legally binding. I read that they provide “an interpretation over the political consensus on an issue” so are useful. So it isn’t possible to rely on them alone however, if it isn’t clear as to what the consensus is across the European Countries involved (which includes the UK we are still part of this) then note will be taken. Not quite what we would like to hear, but not useless either.

437659 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Barbara Baker, 1, #672 of 1350 🔗

Not to be confused with the European Council…or the European Commission…or the European Court of Justice. They don’t make it easy, do they?

437793 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Barbara Baker, #673 of 1350 🔗

But generally what happens if a case brought before the court is that it agrees with the resolution.

A sort of “save your money as we’ve already decided” option.

437654 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #674 of 1350 🔗

That’s great – and surprising – news. Maybe the southern European countries are concerned about effects on tourism. I know I’d love to get back to the marvellous Med but I won’t be able to if they discriminate against the unvaccinated.

437662 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #675 of 1350 🔗

I heard that while ago and it hasnt been disputed anywhere, so far.

437665 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #676 of 1350 🔗

It’s an indication of the opinion the European Court of Human Rights – also not affiliated to the EU, and to which the UK is still subject – would take should such a case reach it. So it is good news, but to see its effect there need to be court cases first, probably.

437681 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to mattghg, 4, #677 of 1350 🔗

Human rights? They are the umbrella that gets taken away when it rains.

437689 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #678 of 1350 🔗

A resolution is not legally binding but is supposed to set the standard to which the ECHR adheres to for rulings. We’ll only find out when someone brings a case.

437690 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #679 of 1350 🔗

Worth also having in mind the fact that the Council of Europe sussed the previous scam around the H1N1 virus, and produced a scathing report (when you read between the lines of diplomatic language) about the questions arising – which are exactly the same questions that are now being raised.

See :

The handling of the H1N1 pandemic: more transparency needed [2010]

437733 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #680 of 1350 🔗

No one can force you to have a vaccination. No one can coerce you to have a vaccination. No one can fire you for refusing to have a vaccination. If they try, they will be stopped. Just say no if you don’t want a vaccination. End of story.

437828 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Redundant Pilot, #681 of 1350 🔗

They clarified a day later that it’s nonbinding.
Just talk and a fig leaf.

437615 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #682 of 1350 🔗

Just remember, zero covid advocates are not sick, child abusing psychopaths or anything. Definitely not.

437625 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #683 of 1350 🔗

Insanity abounds. How can this nonce-sense be passed off as middle-ground, rational discussion? Words fail. And people want to talk about forgiveness?!

437722 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Jinks, 3, #684 of 1350 🔗

+1 for the Brasseye reference. poor old Phil lol.

437652 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #685 of 1350 🔗

This is child abuse. Is this cretin a medical doctor?

437670 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cecil B, 1, #686 of 1350 🔗

Apparently so, came across her on Laura Perrins’ Twitter.

437826 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cecil B, 2, #687 of 1350 🔗

She probably studied at the same school as vanTam, Drosten, Fauci&co: The Leonardo Conti School of Medicine

437653 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #688 of 1350 🔗

In the end it’s all about getting at your arse for the Satanist .

437657 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #689 of 1350 🔗

The child abuse that is allowed is beyond belief

437716 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #690 of 1350 🔗

Just part of the Luciferean grooming and recruiting process.

438165 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Jo Starlin, #691 of 1350 🔗

sick fucks

437618 Sim18, replying to Sim18, 1, #692 of 1350 🔗

“The More Stringent the Lockdown…”
Re cause and correlation. Pro lockdowners could argue that more stringent lockdowns result from Countries locking down after the virus has spread widely (too late, they would say), thus needing a stricter lockdown. I often see the argument that the UK has a higher death rate because we locked down too late – not sure I believe that one.
Would it be possible to factor in the point at which lockdowns started relative to cases per million, hospitalisations per million, deaths per million? Perhaps Guy could have a look at it?

437622 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Sim18, 5, #693 of 1350 🔗

We’ve been locked down in some form since March 2020, with it re-implemented more fully before the winter respiratory season even began. Anyone who thinks they work by this point is someone who is glued to the TV.

437640 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Sim18, 11, #694 of 1350 🔗

the virus was found in stool samples from November 2019, all over the world. But it wasn’t identified till January, if you believe that pile steaming bovine excrement. So, it had already been out for at least two months. Lockdowns achieved nothing, but wholesale destruction of people’s lives and livelihoods!

437644 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jinks, 11, #695 of 1350 🔗

We’ve recalled here our very extensive anecdotal evidence of people experiencing very nasty respiratory infections in the UK in late 2019. I didn’t suffer anything myself but recall relatives complaining of a persistent dry cough that couldn’t be shaken off – over a period of about 6 weeks.

437687 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to OKUK, 2, #696 of 1350 🔗

My younger sister had a debilitating bout of viral pneumonia which led to a 5 /6 week recovery period and the need to wfh: note this was before wfh became the norm for many professional folk.

Needless to say, no fuss was made and panic did not ensue.

437814 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to OKUK, 1, #697 of 1350 🔗

There were a lot of people who had that virus infection late 2019, early 2020. I got it the first week in March last year, and as you say, ended up with the dry cough that lasted two months.
It didn’t quite fit in with the media accounts of CV19, e.g. the very sore throat that was supposedly a hallmark of CV19 and which I didn’t have, but it wasn’t the flu either.
It was never discussed in the media that I recall, only by people in the comments sections, or separate forums.

437857 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to OKUK, #698 of 1350 🔗

Yes I know a good number over Christmas 2019

437641 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sim18, 9, #699 of 1350 🔗

It’s absolute nonsense. Both Belgium and Peru locked down early and stringently and they have among the worst Covid death rates in the world. Then you can look at Italy. The northern regions applied very strict lockdowns but cases continued to rise. The southern regions had hardly any serious lockdowns in the initial phases – and very few cases. That doesn’t make any sense at all. Of course what Northern Italy (but not Southern Italy) did have was a v large Chinese presence. But no one is allowed to talk about that.

437679 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sim18, 2, #700 of 1350 🔗

What’s a Covvideath, what’s a Covviecass?

437682 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sim18, 7, #701 of 1350 🔗

The key point is that it is lockdown enthusiasts who need to show a secure evidential basis for lockdowns. It is not up to rationalists to refute an unsupported hypothesis.

Basic scientific method.

A very high level of evidential support is needed, given the massive damage accruing from lockdowns.

The supporters cannot provide this.

Thus, lockdowns are insupportable by any measure.

437631 Jinks, 38, #702 of 1350 🔗

Got chatting to a fellow as I was queuing up for the veg stall, and he asked me if I’d had my jab. I laughed and said I’ll wait until the trial phase is over in 2023, and see how the guinea pigs get on. He scuttled off so fast, I didn’t get a chance to ask if he’d had/was getting it! 🤣 🤣 🤣 😂 😂 😂

437636 OKUK, 4, #703 of 1350 🔗

Not sure why JB thinks Tim Spector’s tweet comment is “good”.

Here’s what Spector wrote referencing a graph showing lockdown deaths for a number of EU countries:

“As the UK struggles to get new cases below 10k cases per day – its useful to see a similar pattern in other EU countries with different lockdown regimes – proving how hard it is to do this for months on end even if hospital admissions and deaths fall”

That doesn’t mean anything.

How does the graph “prove” how hard it is to “do this for months on end”? It doesn’t.

What it shows is that the value of lockdowns is extremely doubtful even on the narrow view of reducing Covid cases..

The only interpretation I can put on Spector’s comments that might make sense is he meant to say that people are now disregarding the lockdown rules (because they are too hard to keep to over a long period) and that is why the cases are going up again – which is a typical lockdownist trope for which there is little evidence. The most likely reason for cases going up again is because lockdowns are not effective, because people’s iummune systems have been compromised by lockdown, and because people who have had the Covid vaccine can test positive for Covid.

Also I see Tim Spector tells us vaccines will make us free. He is claiming a strong protective effect from the vaccine. If that is the case, why did we not see Covid death rates falling by the time the whole of the 2 million vulnerable population had been vaccinated (2nd week of Jan). Rates did not fall significantly until late Jan. If vaccination was truly protecting the very elderly and sick, we should have seen the rates coming down before 1st Jan since these are the groups that generate 90% of fatalities.

437642 Allen, replying to Allen, 33, #704 of 1350 🔗

Here is the truth about “Covid deaths” in the UK (and it is a similar story in all Western countries) drawing from two papers that analyzed the 2020 mortality rates in the UK. The first one listed is quite short with the second article much longer. Here are the two articles :

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/01/30/investigation-100k-covid-deaths/

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

My Summary- Highlighting what I believe to be the most salient points from the first piece as we look towards a similar assessment for the United States:

– Comparing the death rate of 2020 with previous 20 years. 2020 rate was 1,037/100,000 in the UK. Highest in 10 years but not the highest in the last 20 years. What happened?
2008 had a death rate of 1,084/100,000. 2005 had 1,137/100,000. Every year prior to 2009 had a higher death rate that 2020;

– UK Lockdown was towards end of March in 2020;

At home deaths began to escalate in April .  5 year avg. for deaths in April previous to 2020 was 9,384 . In April 2020 there were 16,909 at home deaths;

– 5 year average for deaths in care homes in April was 8,691 . In April 2020 there were 26,541 deaths that occurred in care homes . Astronomical increase;

Hospital data for April 2017- 2020 :

April-June 2017 91,724 beds occupied= 89% occupancy rate;
April-June 2018 91,056 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;
April-June 2019 91,730 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;
April-June 2020 58,005 beds occupied= 62% occupancy rate.

2018 – April – 1,984,369 attended A&E (Ambulance and Emergency)

2019 – April 2,112,165 attended A&E

2020 – April – 916,581 attended A&E

Important Notes:

30% less hospital beds occupied in April – June 2020 compared with previous 3 years;

A&E in April 2020 was 57% down from 2019.

These numbers explain the high numbers of at home deaths.

Increase in deaths occurring at home and in care homes in April 2020 due to not being treated for illnesses in hospital. No acute care in private homes or care homes.

CAUSE OF DEATHS USING DECEMBER 2020 AS EXAMPLE:

– Leading cause of death was stated as “Covid-19 deaths”= 10,973 deaths for December 2020;

2nd leading cause of death in December 2020- Dementia and Alzheimer’s= 5281 deaths;

Previous 5 year average for December= 28,198 deaths due to Dementia and Alzheimer’s ;

This is a 500%+ alteration from previous 5 years. A statistical impossibility.

– Heart disease deaths in December 2020= 4,635

December 5 year average , 21,997

This represents a near 500% statistical deviation from previous 5 year average- also not possible.

– Chronic lower respiratory disease deaths December 2020= 1,790

December 5 year average, 13,384 .

This represents about a 700% detour from the 5 year average. Not possible.

– Influenza and pneumonia deaths December 2020, 1,190

December 5 year average= 11,295.

This represents about a 1000% deviation from the 5 year average. What is left to say?

And so on…. tables are included with the first article.

It seems it would take quite a monumental argument to prove that these death certificates have not been manipulated. It would take an even grander argument to illustrate that the NHS was under pressure at any time as during the height of the “pandemic” at home deaths soared to record heights and hospital and emergency services sunk to all-time lows.

437664 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Allen, 1, #705 of 1350 🔗

Thanks for this M8

437666 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Allen, 3, #706 of 1350 🔗

Terrific analysis!

437686 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Allen, 2, #707 of 1350 🔗

This looks like an important analysis! Maybe you can repost it later on as well

437660 Allen, 13, #708 of 1350 🔗

And here is the truth about “Covid deaths” in the United States- In essence, “Covid deaths” are actually “Lockdown deaths”. Put another way, there is no pandemic of “Covid deaths”, but there is a pandemic of lockdown deaths .

SUMMARY- Part One:

The various issues raised above – incongruent case-death data, seasonal variations, similarities and overlaps in clinical diagnoses between what is influenza or pneumonia versus what is Covid-19 disease, electron micrograph puzzles, PCR/Antigen testing inaccuracies, trends in population and deaths, lockdowns and “Death by Despair” – lead us to staggering new open questions, and to a completely different set of critical conclusions about Covid-19. The abundant evidence points to a Covid-19 epidemic of error and hysteria.

Is this current “pandemic” one large error of misdiagnoses, an error of categories, of book-keeping, of inaccurate PCR and antigen tests, where seasonal wintertime influenza, pneumonia, colds and various upper and lower respiratory disorders are being misidentified as Covid-19 by inaccurate clinical diagnoses and even less accurate laboratory testing? Are numerous additional deaths the consequence of totalitarian lockdowns, exasperating pre-existing comorbidities, and repeatingly inflaming the citizenry towards hysteria and panic, driving “death by despair” to ever higher numbers? Or towards open social rebellion? And once so wrongly “diagnosed”, those who rush to hospitals for help are not given inexpensive, proven remedies for those “lesser conditions and diseases”. No, they are instead generally given expensive toxic meds with demands to take experimental vaccines, often putting people through a hellish set of abusive treatments in profiteering hospitals staffed by nurses and physicians with a “warrior” mentality. What does that mean exactly? It means they are so busy fighting in the trenches against what they conceive to be a deadly enemy plague, and don’t have time or patience for anyone who dares to question their Covid Religion. Even when so much of their own advocacy and ministrations – in hospital treatments and laws crushing down ordinary human behavior – wreak havoc upon human society and biology, worsening every kind of symptom and making despair and death more probable.

I regrettably conclude that this is, indeed, what has happened over our Lost Year of 2020. The following summary points can be made:

* Covid-19 cases have soared only due to millions of unnecessary and faulty PCR/Antigen tests being made on the generally healthy and asymptomatic population, primarily revealing herd immunity.

* While Covid-19 tests and cases have soared, neither are correlated to, or predict the much smaller number of Covid-19 deaths. Covid-19 death/case ratios were at a high level initially, when PCR/Antigen tests were isolated to those in hospitals, but those ratios declined rapidly when laboratory tests were applied to asymptomatic people. Covid-19 PCR/Antigen tests are since shown to have No Predictive Value, which is the hallmark of a bad scientific theory.

* Covid-19 laboratory tests, but not any living infectious deadly virus SARSCoV-2, create Covid-19 cases, and that is as far as it goes. From such test results, one cannot say who will or will not get sick, or who will or will not die, aside from possible induced psychosomatic alarm and upset due to an hysterically presumed “Covid-19 Death Sentence”. As such, the entire theoretical basis of a new and unique “Covid-19 pandemic” appears as only an artificial diagnostic and theoretical construct. People who are dying should be diagnosed and treated according to pre-Covid-19 symptomology.

* The numbers of all-cause deaths in the USA over the period from 2010 through the end of 2019, show the same approximate annual increases, of around 46,000 average added deaths per year, due to population growth alone. The largest numbers of deaths in 2020 are concentrated among high-risk elderly in their end-of-life years, in roughly equal proportions between those in the non-Covid “all cause deaths” group and the “deaths by Covid-19” group. As noted above, this further undermines the claims of an infectious deadly viral pandemic. The increased number of deaths in 2020 are not due to any Covid-19 disorder, but from social behavior modifications which have arrived with it.

Critical Review Found Here:

https://www.academia.edu/44918309/

437663 Allen, replying to Allen, 12, #709 of 1350 🔗

SUMMARY- Part Two:

* The medical symptoms of Covid-19 considerably overlap with those of ordinary upper and lower respiratory problems, such as influenza and pneumonia, further suggesting significantly high percentages of claimed Covid19 infections are those of other known respiratory diseases and disorders.

* Winter seasonality of Covid-19 deaths affirms a relationship to standard influenza and pneumonia, as well as other maladies that are exacerbated by cold wet weather. Possible mis-diagnosis of those conditions and diseases as Covid19 is thereby strongly indicated by this one factor alone.

* Deaths by pneumonia, influenza and other comorbidities are being deliberately mixed up with Covid-19 deaths in government health agencies, indicating inaccuracies in Covid-19 diagnoses, which magnify the numbers of Covid-19 deaths, while causing a “disappearance” of deaths in the comorbidity categories.

* The disruptions of normal life due to the Covid-19 hysteria, lockdowns and forced masking has its own deadly pathology, probably equal to or greater than the claimed number of deaths by Covid-19. A large number of people are dying due to pre-existing comorbidities exacerbated by the lockdowns and forced masking, to include heart disease and cancers, suicides, drug overdoses, alcoholism, with increases in depression, addictions, family violence, economic ruin and other horrors. Those factors are being almost totally ignored by the “experts in power” during this claimed viral pandemic.

* PCR testing for Covid-19 is highly error-prone due to the intrinsic high sensitivity of that method, especially when the numbers of cycles on PCRtesting machinery are set too high. PCR test methods react to many things, including dead virus, non-living viral DNA/RNA fragments, and antibodies created by healthy people who are no longer at risk of the disease, or of spreading it. If one needs to use PCR to detect a virus, then there is not much of it in the body by which biochemical significance could be achieved, and it also indicates that such a virus is not replicating itself.

* Electron microscopy does not reveal any clearly specific image of SARSCoV-2, the virus blamed for Covid-19, and cannot be easily distinguished from other corona viruses.

* From all the above factors, the high positive PCR/Antigen test rates indicate Herd Immunity Only, and not any growing infectious pandemic, be it one of a new malady Covid-19, or older diseases and disorders gathered inappropriately into a new and artificial “Covid-19” category.

Critical Review Found Here:

https://www.academia.edu/44918309/

437713 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Allen, 5, #710 of 1350 🔗

The non-specificity of the PCR process should make it glaringly obvious this one enormous put-up job.

Then there is the fact Cv19 has never been isolated.

437667 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #711 of 1350 🔗

Hang on, these people should not leave their homes as they will immediately die of covid

Surely better they stay at home and take their chances with the bomb than venture out into the world of the super duper killer virus

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-56221697

437673 ▶▶ Sara, replying to Cecil B, 7, #712 of 1350 🔗

One of the tweets on Exeter University twitter says, “We are asking students not to come to campus unless they have essential scheduled appointments, such as a COVID-19 test”.

437674 ▶▶▶ Sara, replying to Sara, 3, #713 of 1350 🔗

To be fair, they have moved the tests from one side of the campus to the other.

437668 yohodi, 13, #714 of 1350 🔗

A lovely drop of scorch, south coast beach filling up nicely..

437678 Jo Starlin, 14, #715 of 1350 🔗

Meanwhile, in Sweden, literally nothing happened there worth talking about in terms of mortality last year.

https://emanuelkarlsten.se/number-of-deaths-in-sweden-during-the-pandemic-compared-to-previous-years-mortality/

437680 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 23, #716 of 1350 🔗

For the first time in ages I’m feeling cautiously optimistic. The anecdotal evidence suggests that the public are tiring of the restrictions. Soon the Government will be faced with a new reality – either speed up the ‘roadmap’ or be ignored.

And while we’re on the subject of good news, Kim-Jong Nik’s coat is on a shoogly peg – perhaps we will soon be rid of Sturgeon and Murrell, our very own Ceaucescu tribute act.

Light at the end of the tunnel?

437685 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to DJ Dod, 9, #717 of 1350 🔗

O please, let it be soon! She’s on the defensive now .

437708 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DJ Dod, 10, #718 of 1350 🔗

Looking out from my window onto the empty courtyard of the Pub next door today made me very sad. they should be PACKED on a day like this!

437684 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #719 of 1350 🔗

Coming back AGAIN to every death from Anthrax to Zengi fever being classed as Covid, I remember back in the early 60’s, a local farmer who spent days polishing his shotgun and talking about “putting an end to it” shot and killed himself in one of his fields only (for whatever reason) the coroner to record a verdict of accidental death by the farmer dropping the gun, with the barrel pointing upwards and the trigger somehow depressing itself.
Presumably this verdict was made for insurance purposes?
What the reason for the present situation is?, will we ever know?

437692 ▶▶ Van Allen, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #720 of 1350 🔗

Yes I think the number of suicides caused by lockdowns will never been known for similar reasons.

437718 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #721 of 1350 🔗

Sheep dip, I’ve heard. Lots of suicides and God knows what else. But hey, kept the sheep healthy.

And talking of keeping the sheep healthy, sheep dips and vaccination centres sort of cross over in my mind.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12327926.psychiatrists-blame-organophospate-poisoning-research-links-suicides-to-sheep-dip-exposure/

They were just following the science after all (which as we now know is never wrong and cannot be so).

437688 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 21, #722 of 1350 🔗

New Zealand PM Ardern plunges Auckland into 2nd LOCKDOWN in a month after new Covid-19 case detected
https://www.rt.com/news/516750-auckland-emergency-covid-lockdown-ardern/

Hahahahahahahahaahhaha – made my day!

Read the comments – all sceptical and spot on.

437691 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Draper233, 3, #723 of 1350 🔗

My brother and sister in law are going to be pleased! They’ve just started jobs there.

437694 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Draper233, 17, #724 of 1350 🔗

Illustrates the complete lunacy of a ‘zero covid’ policy. Totally bonkers,

437737 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Draper233, 3, #725 of 1350 🔗

I fully expect there to be a resurgence in NZ and Aus as they come out of their summers and into their winter months. If (microscopic if) covid is seasonal and endemic, like I think most of us expect, this will be a blow for the zero covid brigade. I am worried that it will be used to ratchet up the fear over here again though.

437750 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Wolver, 3, #726 of 1350 🔗

Our modellers think its not seasonal and are predicting an eye watering peak that dwarfs anything before

437817 ▶▶▶▶ ThomasPelham, replying to steve_w, 3, #727 of 1350 🔗

That’s bascially all they know how to do though. Easy to see through them though – Do their models correctly predict Florida, or South Dacota, or Sweden? Or explain why the lockdown in Denmark which allowed 10 people to meet inside had the same effect as our much harder one? Nope.

437871 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, #728 of 1350 🔗

That are at the stage where they are just making things up.Even Ferguson could claim he was dealing with an unknown virus.

437897 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Draper233, #729 of 1350 🔗

NZ is often held up by lockdown enthusiasts as a success story. And this is their late summer, merging into autumn. What do they do when their winter rolls around, in June or thereabouts?

437693 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 17, #730 of 1350 🔗

WEF endorsing lockdowns, already covered in LS news:

https://www.rt.com/news/516734-world-economic-forum-lockdowns/

I think this moving comment really sums up the reality from a guy in the Bahamas:

In The Bahamas, March 18 , 2021 it will mark 365 under sustained curfew, restrictions, Police armed for war man road blocks and monetary fines for faces without masks. New and Emerging Technology is now reality. Its profits sealed in Covid law till eternity. With 700 islands, the elderly fade away, slaves and shackled to mandatory inter island, hefty Covid health passes. A stomach ache is now a death sentence. In fear, 400,000 Bahamians plead for glimmer of light. As we are shackled to home prison after 10PM, stressed out and out of our minds we barely heard our Covid hyena repeat the WEF talking point that his leadership through one year as sole dictator has done The Bahamas well. Hundreds of thousands resigned to beg each day and give thanks for life. Families now live in cars. And our leader talks to the mirror. Someone must be out of their minds.

437711 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Draper233, 8, #731 of 1350 🔗

Sounds like the Bahamas are being used as a small-scale test bed for the rollout of full martial law.

438338 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to awildgoose, #732 of 1350 🔗

How many soldiers/police do they have ?

437821 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Draper233, 3, #733 of 1350 🔗

My favourite tax haven before the plandemic.
90% of the economy was tourism, the rest property taxes.
Sacrificed on the fake altars of the rona and climate change.

437695 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 21, #734 of 1350 🔗

Just been for a long walk in this lovely weather. Loads and loads of people about and doing normal activities. Not a mask to be seen either. Cafes were also open. Someone tell the government it’s all over.

437698 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 9, #735 of 1350 🔗

Same in Tunbridge Wells. The zombies were in town, not the parks.

437719 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to PatrickF, 5, #736 of 1350 🔗

Ditto:Worcestershire/Shropshire border.

437726 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 4, #737 of 1350 🔗

Ditto south coast

437696 PatrickF, 5, #738 of 1350 🔗

Looked at the queue waiting to be tested at the Assembly Hall in Tunbridge Wells this morning. Only one person not wearing a mask: a medic.

437700 isobar, replying to isobar, 8, #739 of 1350 🔗

More wasted public money but maybe also a hint that things are winding down.

‘Concerns grow as UK Covid testing labs scaled back before even opening’

Planned multi-million Lighthouse facilities cut by up to 50%, with smaller labs decommissioned

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/27/concerns-grow-as-uk-covid-testing-labs-scaled-back-before-even-opening

437863 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to isobar, 1, #740 of 1350 🔗

Noticed yesterday the overhead signs on the M6 that have been saying “trucker test centre at next services” now say “covid test centre closed”.

I wondered why.

437906 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, #741 of 1350 🔗

I think that’s the reason, well spotted!

437952 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, #742 of 1350 🔗

The only worry for me in the test centres closing is the eggs are moved into the vaccine passport/covid certificate basket?

437702 wendyk, 3, #743 of 1350 🔗

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sturgeon-s-establishment-stitch-up-should-concern-us-all

Worth reading, while the cult is now embracing zero covid, against all common sense and desirability.

437705 Stringfellow Hawke, 15, #744 of 1350 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted, but here is Moderna’s briefing document to the US Securities & Exchange Commission from 2018 (regarding their IPO, going public).

Quite a few salient points about mRNA medicines; which they admitted had never and “may never” be approved due to the inherent risks. a few snippets:

“Gene therapies and mRNA based medicines may activate one or more immune responses against any and all components of the drug product (e.g., the mRNA or the delivery vehicle, such as a lipid nanoparticle) as well as against the encoded protein, giving rise to potential immune reaction related adverse events..” [p.22]

“Most of our investigational medicines are formulated and administered in an LNP which may lead to systemic side effects related to the components of the LNP which may not have ever been tested in humans….

While we have continued to optimize our LNPs, there can be no assurance that our LNPs will not have undesired effects. Our LNPs could contribute, in whole or in part, to one or more of the following: immune reactions, infusion reactions, complement reactions, opsonation reactions, antibody reactions including IgA, IgM, IgE or IgG or some combination thereof, or reactions to the PEG from some lipids or PEG otherwise associated with the LNP.” [p.33]

Worth reading in full – credit Toby for that line! 🙂

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000119312518323562/d577473ds1.htm

437707 fiery, replying to fiery, 9, #745 of 1350 🔗

Has anyone been for a vaccine and refused to wear a face nappy? I’ve no intention of having the poison but I wonder what the reaction would be if you rocked up at the vaccination centre unmasked. Would they refuse to give you the jab?

437723 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to fiery, 31, #746 of 1350 🔗

I think they’d give it to you if you turned up unmasked, naked and riding a penny farthing they are that desperate to jab people.

437728 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #747 of 1350 🔗

Oh, I do wish I were an artist so that I could draw that!

437809 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #748 of 1350 🔗

Yes I agree I think they would

437780 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to fiery, 2, #749 of 1350 🔗

They have masks ready to hand. You must comply with the science, whatever that is on a daily basis….!

437714 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #750 of 1350 🔗

Headline on a local news website of the main tv station:
Rund 25 Prozent der Impfberechtigten lehnen eine Impfung ab. Offenbar fehlt es an Aufklärung.

Around 25% of vaccine entitled person refuse it.
It seems they have not been properly informed.

Or have they?!

437730 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 6, #751 of 1350 🔗

Doesn’t ‘Aufklärung’ also mean ‘Enlightenment’?If so, what they need is 75% more of it.

437862 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Silke David, 1, #752 of 1350 🔗

Or 25% of the people know better.

437731 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #753 of 1350 🔗

All it would take us for a few good men to bring this dreadful episode to an end and tobring those who orchestrated the Plandemic to justice. Here is one of them Tom Renz, lawyer.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/community/forums/topic/tom-renz-ohio-lawyer-testifies-17-2-21-reiner-fuellmich-collaborator/#post-100890

437749 ▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #754 of 1350 🔗

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

437772 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #755 of 1350 🔗

“It was strange how what is happening in Ohio is exactly in step with the UK, almost as if it had been predetermined beforehand.”

437796 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 2, #756 of 1350 🔗

How can you predetermine something unless it’s beforehand?

437797 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Annie, #757 of 1350 🔗

It was a quote from another site.
I guess the writer wanted to cover all the bases…

438416 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to LMS2, #758 of 1350 🔗

Because that’s exactly what happened

437735 Basics, 6, #759 of 1350 🔗

A bit of a gem here from the ongoing collapse of the SNP forwardslash Scottish executive and ancillaries.

https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/02/27/first-minister-and-jim-sillars-in-new-letter-exchange/

What we have is the Pulpit Princess herself Sturgeon coming over all political in a C19 daily briefing show (think one hour of punch and judy but without the punch).

Sturgeon, decided on live TV to say –
“The behaviour complained of was found by a jury not to constitute criminal conduct and Alex Salmond is innocent of criminality, but that doesn’t mean the behaviour complained of didn’t happen and I think it’s important that we don’t lose sight of that.”

For many, including Mr Sillars, this was an egg in the pie too many, a meglo of mania too much.

And so, Mr Sillars, ex SNP Deputy Leader, popped home a letter of complaint, breaching of the ministerial code – a resigning matter.

Now, tin pot Sturgeonia being what it is the policing of the Ministerial Code in relation to the First Mininster (nikkynakkynooo) is to be carried out by, trumpets, the First Minister.

And so, Sturgeon gave a quick turnaround to the matter (no 5 month wait, etc) and within a mater of hours finds in her own failure. Her desk pukes out a grubby little letter with signature and jobsaguddun.

However, Mr Sillars did not come down in the last shower, he did not just roll off the back of the turnip truck. Mr Sillars has written a reply, a well written, articulate reply which includes evidence on the matter provided by the Faculty of Advocates. Indeed this is the gem of the thing – have a read on the link, it is a pleasure on the eyes.

When Covid briefings go bad. Resigning matter for a first minister drunk on her own self importance. Rustled up out of nowhere but the worlds most boring punch, no punch, and judy show. Who is the croccodile?

437736 eastender53, 15, #760 of 1350 🔗

A totalitarian government pursuing a failed ideology of a ‘final solution’ with total disregard for the cost in human lives and misery and employing brutal methods to suppress dissent?

Nazi Germany or Boris’s Britain? You decide.

437738 danny, 34, #761 of 1350 🔗

Standing queueing for ice cream in my busy local park and it occurred to me that every single person is breaking the law.
Allowed out the house for essential goods, brief exercise, with no stopping and sitting allowed.
The law of the land, and the police, have become an irrelevance, quite rightly too, but why is this dissent so uneven?
Nobody out here genuinely believes they are risking their life, so why do they allow this to continue?

437739 Custerhaditcoming, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 34, #762 of 1350 🔗

I have just returned from an outing on my bike. It appeared that the local population was giving its response to our dear leader ( and I use that term advisedly ). I have never seen so many people ‘out and about thoroughly enjoying themselves and availing themselves of all this free vitamin D. Not a ‘cloud in the sky.
At one place a somebody had set up a coffee and cake stall and was doing a roaring trade. Good for him. I must admit to partaking of some of his lovely coffee and a chocolate/orange brownie and sat on an adjacent bench to delightfully consume at my leisure.

But the most rewarding aspect of my 3 hour bike ride, I know very naughty of me, was I counted the number of muzzled people on one finger. Only saw one policeman driving by who simply kept on driving by. I could have recommended the coffee and cake to him.

To all the lockdown fanatics… come out and smell the coffee. You might just think it is worth it.

Sitting in my conservatory now with a nice cold one and it is a balmy 31 degrees. Will definitely be out again tomorrow for some more cake and coffee 😎

437768 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 3, #763 of 1350 🔗

This was the best day for going outside, but the 7-day forecast looks like it’s going to be colder here in Norfolk, and presumably elsewhere.

437779 ▶▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to LMS2, 11, #764 of 1350 🔗

I am in the North West and I think the forecast is not too bad. I personally have not taken too much notice of the rules surrounding this current s*#tshow and have continually gone out wherever and whenever I wanted. Other half is convinced I am a top notch renegade. The ultimate accolade I suppose.
I have always taken the view that there is no such thing as bad weather just inappropriate clothing, and I say this as an ex seaman and sailor. Happy days.

Was it the Nike advert that said “ JUST DO IT “ which I do 😁

437741 davews, 32, #765 of 1350 🔗

Just back from a long walk in our local woods. I decided to do all the off beat bits and even needed my map to find my way around. Even these bits were heaving, loads of people enjoying the sunshine and what looked like several school groups. Stay at home, no chance..

437745 Victoria, 11, #766 of 1350 🔗

𝐔𝐑𝐆𝐄𝐍𝐓: STOP MASKS IN SCHOOLS
Children do not have to wear masks in schools, or even be asked to.
All everyone needs to know in a FREE LETTER to help your child and others.
ALL parents, read today and send to your child’s school.
DOWNLOAD:  https://laworfiction.com/2021/02/stopping-masks-and-face-covering-in-schools/…

437746 Sam Vimes, 20, #767 of 1350 🔗

Just under a full year ago, it pissed down for weeks round here. Then, it started picking up, as luck would have it, just as we went on holiday to Anglesey on the Saturday. Monday was warming up nicely, then on Tuesday, the fat twat came on telly and said “Stay home”. And lo… the weather is now picking up and yesterday a twat went on telly and said “Don’t be having any fun…” Very nearly twelve full months later. Plus ca change, eh?

437747 steve_w, 46, #768 of 1350 🔗

Is Jonathan Van Tam the prime minister now? Or Dear Leader for life? What the fuck has he got to do telling me when I can come in and out of my own house?

437748 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 4, #769 of 1350 🔗

The Ministry of Truth preparing the sheep.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56198552

437753 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to eastender53, 8, #770 of 1350 🔗

The vaxx passport will be in place before the end of this year. The lockdowns will remain for ever.

438074 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to TheClone, 1, #771 of 1350 🔗

That’s not in my script, may be in yours (though I hope not).

438306 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheClone, #772 of 1350 🔗

WE’RE DOOMED !

437752 steve_w, 22, #773 of 1350 🔗

All the kids from the village playing together in the lane – sun is out – balmy weather considering we aren’t out of Feb yet. I had to work away yesterday and managed a snooze in a field in the sun.

It’s like the calm before the storm of retribution!

437754 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 19, #774 of 1350 🔗

OH and I have just strolled round our local pond and wildlife area. There were plenty of anglers dotted around the place, in ones, twos and even a group of six.

We chatted to some of them and OH pointed out that they were allowed to sit on chairs or lie on loungers because the government considered this to be exercise, but he still couldn’t play golf. They all agreed that it was crazy but were more concerned with the fact that they couldn’t fish overnight.

You are not supposed to sit on a bench whilst exercising, but it seems that you can lie on a lounger, as long as you are holding a fishing rod.

Also many of the anglers had come by car as they couldn’t possibly have carried all their equipment had they been on foot, whereas if we drove to our nearest reservoir for exercise, the Covid police would probably send us packing.

Spoke to a neighbour on the way home who reported that he had just been to a local park where the number of people there was “frightening”. Ironic really, as he was sitting in another neighbour’s garden chatting to said neighbour, while his child was inside the neighbour’s house playing with other children!

437783 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Margaret, 11, #775 of 1350 🔗

Spoke to a neighbour on the way home who reported that he had just been to a local park where the number of people there was “frightening”.

OMG the horror ! They weren’t having fun where they, please tell me they weren’t …

Also walked through the park today to the sea front. Group of teenagers playing rugby and another playing football. Loads of activity on the beach and in the sea, lots of family picnics (had one myself, please don’t tell). Mask wearing seems to be on the decline, zombies were in the minority, where a month ago was at least every other person.

437849 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 5, #776 of 1350 🔗

Of course the fact that they were one of the “frightening” number of people in the park completely passes these people by, doesn’t it?

437755 Victoria, 9, #777 of 1350 🔗

If you have evidence of a similar case of wrongly recorded cause of death, please contact: femailreaders@dailymail.co.uk .

https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1365639097335840772

437756 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #778 of 1350 🔗

The Covid 19 “vaccine” zealots are either disingenuous or ignorant. They claim that the individuals have to be “vaccinated” to protect others. They want to impose vaccine passports to establish an apartheid, where those who have been “vaccinated” will have their liberties and rights respected and those who have not will have their liberties and rights violated, they will not be second class citizens, they will be less than citizens. This position betrays a complete misunderstanding of vaccines. A vaccinated individual has immunity from the disease. The individual has this immunity from the disease regardless of whether or not anyone else has been vaccinated. Thus, the vaccinated individual has nothing to fear from the unvaccinated.

However, the zealots’ misrepresentation is even worse, for the Covid 19 so called vaccines are not vaccines. They do not confer immunity. All they do (and this is according to their developers) is reduce the severity of the symptoms. Thus, those who have the vaccine passports may well be mixing socially whilst infected and be transmitting the virus to others. The reduction in the severity of symptoms (especially when for many symptoms even without any “vaccine” are already slight) is likely to undermine the natural response to an infectious viral disease, which is of course to stay at home until one has recovered.

These so called Covid 19 so called vaccines in conjunction seem like nothing so much as a recipe for rendering community transmission more, rather than less, likely.

437782 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #779 of 1350 🔗

It has been a master stroke by SAGE and the government (ably aided by MSM) to push the ‘protect others’ mindset with both the mask nonsense and now the vaccine. No doubt the SAGE’s behavioural ‘experts’ were behind it but it has been very powerful and has worked almost to perfection for them. However, untangling people from this assumption that everyone is a vector of disease is going to be one almighty struggle and many will never shed the notion regardless of the infection and death rates.

437812 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 3, #780 of 1350 🔗

It takes two to tango.
Sadly, 90%+ of the population fall for this and seem to be mere imbeciles these days.

438401 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Steve Hayes, #782 of 1350 🔗

Truly sinister.

438298 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #783 of 1350 🔗

A vaccinated individual has immunity from the disease.

Are you Bill Gates ?

438397 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JohnB, #784 of 1350 🔗

No. It is simply a matter of the definition of the word.

437759 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #785 of 1350 🔗

First they forcibly take away our liberty. Then they demand we pay for the resultant debt.

https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1365677389016150018

437764 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Victoria, 1, #786 of 1350 🔗

Many of the replies to that tweet are disappointing.

437815 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 12, #787 of 1350 🔗

As I said the other day, some of us have been paying for this since last March. Time for all those who welcomed repeated lockdowns to dig deep now. After all, we’re all in this together!

437761 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #788 of 1350 🔗

As global warming is man made, so therefore isn’t this so called global pandemic a good thing for the climate and should be encouraged?

Such a pity that only 2.4 million have died from it, whilst 10 million die per year from malnutrition, 8 million from smoking related illnesses and only 1 million from AIDS. (BTW there isn’t a vaccine for AIDS).

437771 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #789 of 1350 🔗

With the difference that those other causes generate all their deaths on their own, without any help from smoke and mirrors statistical manipulation.

437762 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 25, #790 of 1350 🔗

My friend who had Covid despite two negative tests has been told by the Dr. to have the jab because it will be even better defence-I told him the Dr. doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

437810 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to frankfrankly, 14, #791 of 1350 🔗

I would seriously argue that practically everyone who posts here will by know be better informed about the ‘vaccines’ than their GPs.
At most, those guys have read some official leaflets and are just regurgitating them.

437838 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JayBee, 18, #792 of 1350 🔗

A GP is to medicine what a Kwik Fit fitter is to a Formula One Engineer

437763 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #793 of 1350 🔗

Zero Covid cult member, why are they always after the children??

437770 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to tonyspurs, 15, #794 of 1350 🔗

A study in Wuhan …..

A study in Wuhan also found that asymptomatic transmission is a myth.

437835 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to rockoman, 1, #795 of 1350 🔗

A study studiously ignored in many places…

437777 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to tonyspurs, 23, #796 of 1350 🔗
  1. What kind of parent would anal swab their own child?
  2. What kind of parent would allow someone else to do it?

All for a mild illness. Batshit crazy.

437786 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dame Lynet, 11, #797 of 1350 🔗

It’s all about ritual humiliation

437807 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to stefarm, 4, #798 of 1350 🔗

No better way to condition the next generation.
From those monsters viewpoint, it all makes sense.

437795 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dame Lynet, 2, #799 of 1350 🔗

Answer to both: a zombie parent.

437788 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #800 of 1350 🔗

She should be anal swabbed herself.

437930 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Tenchy, 2, #801 of 1350 🔗

yes, anal swabbed with a large brick

437820 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to tonyspurs, 5, #802 of 1350 🔗

I’m guessing she doesn’t think the Chinese are just trolling us with their suggestions for anal swabs…

437769 Sarigan (Day 341 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 341 of lockdown), 11, #803 of 1350 🔗
437813 ▶▶ rose, replying to Sarigan (Day 341 of lockdown), 10, #804 of 1350 🔗

He deserves a knighthood. The comments weren’t very nice

437773 Victoria, 6, #805 of 1350 🔗

Pfizer is threatening governments around the world and demanding RANSOM to protect against future vaccine injury lawsuits
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-02-26-pfizer-demanding-ransom-to-protect-against-future-vaccine-injury-lawsuits.html

437774 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 18, #806 of 1350 🔗

Today is a good day:

Celebrated the leak in the dam of propaganda in the DM last night with a drive up to the Elan Valley from my home on the South Wales coast.

Roads practically empty, not a cop in sight anywhere. On a day like today, the valley would normally be crowded, but I guess they were all at the seaside instead.Hardly any cars passed the other way. Only downside was that the lovely tea shop half way up the valley was inevitably closed,

Back in time to watch the rugby now.

437792 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 7, #807 of 1350 🔗

I think a lot of Welshies are scared stiff of being picked up by the Geheimnisdrakefordpolizei if they take to the roads.
Quiet here in Pembs, but we did have a cold and foggy morning. Glorious afternoon, though.

437842 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 1, #808 of 1350 🔗

I did notice, heafing up between Merthyr and Builth Wells, as soon as I was in Powys, every layby had been blocked to prevent anyone stoppjng and admiring the view or going for a hike. It didn’t stop people though. I was surprised to find no police in the valley, but there again, there were few people around.

437966 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Richy_m_99, #809 of 1350 🔗

Was that the Pen Y Bont (?) tea shop, Richy?

437775 DanClarke, 7, #810 of 1350 🔗

Re the headline: I have dared

437776 GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 24, #811 of 1350 🔗
437784 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 26, #812 of 1350 🔗

We’ve all been out this afternoon to the park. Lots of families enjoying themselves. The only masks I saw were discarded and trodden into the ground. I would say thats the best place for them but I don’t litter.

437787 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 28, #813 of 1350 🔗

I went for a massive yomp with the pooch, loads of bodies out and about, just like the DM pictures. I think the penny is starting to drop.

Oh, and, loved this comment from someone on the DM:

Those who aren’t happy seeing this, look on the bright side – when the weather is like today, its great for hanging out all those bed sheets you’ve p ssed. Make the most of it!”

437831 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 1, #814 of 1350 🔗

Agreed, I’ve picked up quite a few and put em in bins.

437805 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #815 of 1350 🔗

apocalypse coming

437846 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to pub with no beer, 3, #816 of 1350 🔗

‘NeW DeDLeY STraYNE’ coming.

437781 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 22, #817 of 1350 🔗

Zero Covid is going to be hard. How about starting with something a little easier, say Zero Common Cold?

437789 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ken Garoo, 17, #818 of 1350 🔗

Zero intelligence would be easier still, for most.

437803 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Annie, 10, #819 of 1350 🔗

That’s achieved.

437800 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Ken Garoo, 25, #820 of 1350 🔗

How about Zero Government?

437808 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 10, #821 of 1350 🔗

Now your’re talking.

437847 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to kh1485, 2, #822 of 1350 🔗

🙂

437845 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 9, #823 of 1350 🔗

Or Zero SAGE.

437854 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #824 of 1350 🔗

Or at least, less government!

437822 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ken Garoo, 9, #825 of 1350 🔗

Zero Covid is a bit like it’s mate Zero Carbon. You have to ask whether it’s absolute zero or net zero. If it’s absolute zero then nothing exists (including us) and, well, it’s over. If it’s net zero, then our rich masters will operate a trading system to enrich themselves further at the expense of our freedoms but allowing us to live under their rules. Either way, it all looks a bit shit and needs to be stopped.

437829 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #826 of 1350 🔗

Zero herpes? Zero syphilis?

437834 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Ken Garoo, 4, #827 of 1350 🔗

zero politicians?

437790 DanClarke, 35, #828 of 1350 🔗

Time to repeal the Coronavirus Act and get the lazy b’s back debating in Parliament

437791 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 32, #829 of 1350 🔗

We don’t need no dirty face masks
We don’t need no thought control
We need to breathe in the classroom
Teachers – leave them kids alone

Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!

437798 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #830 of 1350 🔗

Like it

437804 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 53, #831 of 1350 🔗

Had to be a few thousand enjoying the sun here on the beach today.

A couple of ‘Martials’ attempting to talk to large groups of young people who stayed seated and ignored them.

By 4pm two coppers (2!) made their way from one end of the beach to the other telling people to get up and leave. My guess is they were responding to complaints.

A couple of guys were giving out copies of The Light and engaging with members of the public. They had a large whiteboard which people were encouraged to write things on.

There were a number of comments such as ‘You are being lied to’ ‘Think’ ‘Keep asking questions’ and ‘Big Brother is watching you’.

A child had written ‘I will not conform’!

Encouraging.

437833 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Mic67, 25, #832 of 1350 🔗

yup the whole country is out and about and enjoying the sunshine – lovely to see groups of lads playing footie, kids on bikes, families out for a walk, and me out on my MTB – lovely day!
So ‘ol van tam can go shove his weasel words where the sun don’t shine, because the people have voted with their feet to enjoy the sun!

438144 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to penelope pitstop, 6, #833 of 1350 🔗

Give Van Tam
An anal swab,
Repeat until
He shuts his gob.

438282 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mic67, #834 of 1350 🔗

Bondi ? Venice ? Blackpool ?

437806 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 43, #835 of 1350 🔗

What’s this? A day without harassment; a day without the purple-tabarded goons pestering my customers; a day when the previously lesser-spotted rozzer wasn’t doing a sweep of the park to shoo away pesky pensioners having a cup of tea … What’s going on?

It was by no means normal but it’s a start.

437940 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to kh1485, #836 of 1350 🔗

They are probably in the park enjoying a picnic 🤣 😉

438140 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kh1485, #837 of 1350 🔗

Glad to hear it, kh.
Maybe, just maybe, the bullies and thugs are beginning to hear the first faint chimes at midnight?

437816 JamesM, replying to JamesM, 21, #838 of 1350 🔗

Anthony Harnden, deputy chairman of the Joint Committee of Vaccines and Immunisation, has warned elderly people not to break social distancing guidelines even after their second dose of coronavirus vaccine. Dear me, sound like he doesn’t have that much confidence in the vaccination programme, or maybe he wants to keep the restrictions going indefinitely. With people like him in charge, we’ll never get out of lockdown.

437818 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to JamesM, 10, #839 of 1350 🔗

I’ll say it again: they’re never going to let us out.

437823 ▶▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to LMS2, 19, #840 of 1350 🔗

They may say that, but people are already voting with their feet.

437827 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 15, #841 of 1350 🔗

From what I have seen in London, the Met are not jumping on people over Covid the way other forces in less urban areas have done. In London negative reactions are certainly possible if they get too heavy, so they don’t. But perhaps others have different experiences.

437852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Waldorf, 10, #842 of 1350 🔗

I’m in central London, and I agree with that, with one obvious exception – the protests. They were certainly “jumping on people” in Trafalgar Square, and at King’s Cross.

437858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Alice, 10, #843 of 1350 🔗

The protests are something else – cops inherently see these as a challenge to their authority. But trying to prevent, say, Jamaicans in Tottenham from inter-acting on the street en masse is fraught with all sorts of consequences, so the police do not interfere whatever Whitty might want.

437880 ▶▶▶▶▶ coulie45, replying to Waldorf, 5, #844 of 1350 🔗

No, a beautiful day here in SW London. Commons/parks are absolutely heaving with groups out in the sun, park benches all fully occupied, plenty of mini picnics. No police in sight.

I think many on LS will agree that the major error made in LD One a year ago was not to do with timing (except of course that we should never have gone down the lockdown route in the first place) but was the way that as the glorious spring of 2020 unfolded the Government, backed by a heavy handed police presence, moved sunbathers along forcing many back to their small flats, petri dishes for Covid to ‘mature’ in and infect them!!

Johnson finally realised his error and the first easing of LD One was to encourage people to come out enjoy the open air as many times a day as they wanted. Why he reverted to the ‘tough’ lockdown approach for the current LD I don’t know but I suspect the influence of those ignorant empty suits on SAGE again. Anyway lots of MSM pics/film of open spaces packed with ‘naughty’ people ignoring the stay home message likely over the weekend.

437855 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JamesM, 10, #845 of 1350 🔗

What the hell is the point of the Damn vaccine then? The government need to come clean with what they are doing here!

438279 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Janette, #846 of 1350 🔗

Hold your breath and turn around 3 times Janette. That’ll work.

437902 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to JamesM, 6, #847 of 1350 🔗

But this is why sceptic-lites need to be careful. If they keep persisting with the argument that we should get our freedoms back because of the vaccinations, it creates a problem if the vaccines are not the saviour they’re being sold to be.

We should get our freedom back irrespective of vaccines and this should be the sceptic position.

437927 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Draper233, 6, #848 of 1350 🔗

absolutely. NOTHING justifies this authoritarianism; I don’t care if it’s the black death out there. how many times have we heard the alibi ‘it’s necessary for their own good’? the ends NEVER justify the means.

438183 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Draper233, 3, #849 of 1350 🔗

The vaccine route to freedom is a trap.They will lead to vaccine passports or if they are not effective then no end of lockdown.The government have also seeded the idea that a booster may be needed to combat new variants.
Whatever way you look at it by accepting a vaccine as the key to freedom you cede the argument to the government.
Old Normal freedom is non negotiable.

437824 Ozzie, 10, #850 of 1350 🔗

No face masks for pupils – I am sure that this has probably been posted before, but doesn’t hurt as a reminder. If you have school aged children or know of anyone with school aged children, direct them to this site for a letter to send their school pointing out the (il)legality of face covering enforcement. The template letter is very easy to use. There seems to be a lack of pushback on the face mask requirement for school pupils, as far as I can see.

https://laworfiction.com/2021/02/stopping-masks-and-face-covering-in-schools/

437825 Fingerache Philip, 18, #851 of 1350 🔗

Our Irish comrades are fighting back.

437830 Biker, 26, #852 of 1350 🔗

I just don’t believe their numbers on how many people have this so called virus. It’s simple, they are proven lying motherfuckers no matter the subject they talk about but somehow this time we’re meant to believe the government because scientists say so. Not a fucking chance in hell there is even 1% of these so called infected people. Don’t know anyone who’s had the virus, not heard of anyone who’s tested positive, drive by a covid testing site a dozen times a day and never seen a single person at it. The same three dudes stand outside wearing masks and never a single person in there. You’d think i’d have seen someone by now if so many people are coming down with it.

437837 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 33, #853 of 1350 🔗

So, true story, in the spirit of the DM article.

Man in his 80s with COPD admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties. Hospital doctor says immediately on arrival it must be Covid. Family say no, it’s COPD. Covid test is negative. Man admitted and is relentlessly tested daily for Covid until Bingo! 7 days in he gets a positive result. He is now a Covid case statistic, but is either a false positive or a nosocomial infection. He is immediately moved to a Covid ward. Scenarios for what could happen next:

  1. He dies of his COPD and becomes a Covid death statistic.
  2. He dies of his nosocomial Covid infection and becomes a Covid death statistic.
  3. His test result was false positive, but since being moved to a Covid ward he catches the real thing and dies of it. Gross negligence? No, a Covid death statistic.
  4. He survives the COPD, the nosocomial infection and the gross negligence and is allowed to go home. 27 days later he dies peacefully in his sleep, as people in their 80s often do. He becomes a Covid death statistic.
  5. He manages to avoid all of the above, and happily goes home well and sprightly. He is not a Covid death statistic.

I think we can all agree, that it’s very difficult not to be a Covid death statistic if you’ve been anywhere near a hospital beforehand. We complain about the inept leaders but really it’s the procedures on the ground in hospitals that need to change for us to get out of this mess.

437903 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #854 of 1350 🔗

A lady I help (in her 90s, living alone, managing well, just had her jab, then had a fall, can’t say why) but while she was in hospital, recovering very well, no sickness, symptoms other than a broken arm, she was tested, and re-tested, and tested again – all negative. If she’d been in there longer, no doubt she’d have shown ”positive”. Thank goodness she’s home – and managing, just – but STILL wondering if she’ll be well enough for her ”second jab”!!”

I despair. But I’ll go on helping and hoping.

437839 jos, replying to jos, 27, #855 of 1350 🔗

Do you ever have the feeling that the perpetrators of this scam are placing bets on how far they can make us go? Double masks – tick / Anal swabs for children – tick / No sitting on benches – tick 😐 Maybe this is why they seem to be hiding their smirks every time they push for something more stringent and more ridiculous and getting away with it.. I’d say Van Tam is winning at the moment: ‘Should I have the jab?’ ‘Of course!’ ‘Can I live more normally now?’ ‘Definitely not.’ Kerching – he wins!

437840 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to jos, 26, #856 of 1350 🔗

Oh yes. I imagine they are like the Smash aliens laughing at what indignities they have persuaded people to endure in the name of ‘safety’.

438261 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #857 of 1350 🔗

“THEY MUST BE A VERY PRIMITIVE PEOPLE !!!”. 🙂

437866 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to jos, 11, #858 of 1350 🔗

I know this is a very shallow remark – but it does strike me that every one of these people is deeply unattractive. Ugly even. Why is that?

437915 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Banjones, 3, #859 of 1350 🔗

‘Beauty is truth, truth beauty – that is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know.’ John Keats

437925 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jos, 1, #860 of 1350 🔗

except that the truth is often very ugly indeed

438267 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JaneHarry, #861 of 1350 🔗

Is that an attribute of truth, or of the state of mind of the observer ?

438138 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #862 of 1350 🔗

The outside gets to mirror the inside.

437872 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jos, 4, #863 of 1350 🔗

You would think that anal swabs for kids would be a swab too far but perhaps not.
Jimmy Savile got away with his stuff for a lot of reasons but one was that if he was arrested his charities might be closed down. So, never mind if he liked to do things to little girls if the charities kept going. It was selfish to think otherwise.
Some of the same thought processes seem at work with Covid.

437899 ▶▶ isobar, replying to jos, 5, #864 of 1350 🔗

I’d dispute that Van Tampax is winning. It’s clear from this weekend that people don’t give a monkeys to what he says about staying at home

437843 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 24, #865 of 1350 🔗

Wise words to ponder. Thanks to Tolkien:

Sam: It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness, and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn’t want to know the end, because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines, it’ll shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.
Frodo: What are we holding on to, Sam?

Sam: That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo…and it’s worth fighting for.”

There’s some good in the world, and it’s worth fighting for.

437861 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Banjones, 5, #866 of 1350 🔗

That brings a tear to my eye. There’s so much wisdom in that book. Thanks for sharing

437883 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #867 of 1350 🔗

And thank you too for sharing. Let’s thank God there IS some good in the world.

438134 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Johnsontown, #868 of 1350 🔗

it isn’t a direct quote.

438250 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Annie, 1, #869 of 1350 🔗

No – not direct from the book. But it serves as an illustration of how it’s worth going on. And Tolkien deserves the credit for the spirit of the thing.

437844 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #870 of 1350 🔗

Imperial Folly: Neil Ferguson Has No Qualification in Biological Sciences

This is undoubtedly one of the most extraordinary stories of the entire ‘global pandemic’ which has turned the world upside down over the twelve months.

In an article published by Lockdown Skeptics by Derek Winton entitled, The Imperial Model and its Role in the UK’s Pandemic Response, the author rightly calls into questions to relevant scientific experience of who is arguably the UK government’s most consequential science advisor of the COVID crisis – the notorious Neil Ferguson from Imperial College.

[…]

As it turns out, Ferguson hold no formal qualifications at all in the biological sciences – not as a microbiologist, a virologist, nor as an epidemiologist or biological statistician. Instead he received his Bachelor of Arts degree in Physics (1990) from Lady Margaret Hall in Oxford, followed by his Doctorate of Philosophy in theoretical physics (1994) form Linacre College, in Oxford. So claims in the media which repeated describe Ferguson as ‘one of the country’s top epidemiologists’ – are quite misleading

Read on – https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/02/25/imperial-folly-neil-ferguson-has-no-qualification-in-biological-sciences/
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For clarity all above is quote from the incredible 21st Century Wire article

437850 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 2, #871 of 1350 🔗

Yeah, but if he saves just one life

437853 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Basics, #872 of 1350 🔗

love Patrick Henningson

437948 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #873 of 1350 🔗

Yes he is fantastic, on point and amusing too.

437922 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 1, #874 of 1350 🔗

To put a slightly different cast on this – the record shows that the narrow expertise of epidemiology, virology, public health and immunology don’t necessarily provide a basis for making rational political judgments, either.

And its political judgment and the assessment of evidence that this is all about.

The main problem with all specialisms is that they don’t gift skill in essential scientific thinking and risk assessment. Even some statisticians struggle with going against the pressure of opinion and vested interest.

438255 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #875 of 1350 🔗

The main problem with all specialisms is that they don’t gift skill in essential scientific thinking and risk assessment.

With the best will in the world, Rick, fuck ‘scientific thinking and risk assessment’ with a large pole.

Common sense, normal behaviour, and a reasonable degree of intestinal fortitude, would have dealt with a virus quite well.

This is a coup.

438019 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Basics, 4, #876 of 1350 🔗

My jaw hit the floor when I saw this on UK Column yesterday.
He doesn’t even have an o level in Biology and has had no formal training in epidemiology.
Unbelievable!!!

437856 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #878 of 1350 🔗

And this one:

https://extranet.who.int/pqweb/sites/default/files/documents/TAG-EUL_PublicReport_BioNTech_DEC20.pdf

Looks like the new “name” for the Pfizer vaccine is TOZINAMERAN

437898 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #879 of 1350 🔗

And this one, although I don’t think it says which one.

https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/nurse-whistleblower-part-2#hl

438131 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, #880 of 1350 🔗

Or, ONEFOOTINDEGRAVE.

437859 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 37, #881 of 1350 🔗

In this NHS one:

https://www.nottsapc.nhs.uk/media/1642/covidvaccinefaqspfizer.pdf

It categorically states:

Pfizer BioNTech is an mRNA vaccine, unlike traditional vaccines, mRNA vaccines do not use inactivated virus, but a portion of the viral sequence which encodes for one or more of the viral antigens. It contains the genetic sequence for the spike protein found on the surface of COVID-19,

So not a vaccine at all by legal or dictionary definition.

And also:

“If I have received both doses of the vaccine, am I exempt from self isolation if I am identified as a COVID contact?

No, you would not be exempt. The vaccine is not 100% effective, we do not know whether it will stop you from catching or passing on the virus. Therefore you would need to isolate if you were identified as a COVID-19 contact. Failure to self-isolate may result in a fine.

I am currently shielding, how long after receiving the vaccine can I stop shielding?

The vaccine is not 100% effective, we do not know whether it will stop you from catching or passing on the virus. Therefore you would need to isolate if you were identified as a COVID19 contact. If you have been advised to shield as you are clinically extremely vulnerable, then you continue to do this until told otherwise. You should continue to practice social distancing, wear a face mask”

So what’s the point in having the injection?

437860 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #882 of 1350 🔗

The point is that it makes mega bucks for big pharma

437867 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 14, #883 of 1350 🔗

and to give you some mental shit that will fuck you up, maybe. Maybe the loons who believe in lizard people and the like are gonna be proven right. Once the masses have had their shots and died those of us who didn’t will have shown ourselves to be worthy of being allowed to live. Well that’s according to an internal memo doing the rounds in the secret department i work for.

437905 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Biker, 2, #884 of 1350 🔗

Mmm – or the complete opposite maybe? Either way makes no difference as I’m stuck with the person I am so I’m doing what comes naturally to me so, if it’s the wrong choice, it’s the only choice I was ever going to make.

437917 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jos, 4, #885 of 1350 🔗

EXACTLY – if I’m wrong, then I will live with the consequences of my mistake

437879 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #886 of 1350 🔗

The conversation just now in my family was that, acknowledging that you can still get it and they know vaxxed that have indeed tested positive, “getting it anyway will give you a considerable advantage”.

I mumbled “so does Vitamin D”

Tumbleweeds

437884 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 19, #887 of 1350 🔗

The people taking the vaccine don’t have the first fucking clue what they are doing. Each and every person who takes it is a braindead moron and a direct threat to humanity. Yet they have the guns and the prisons and the likes of me will be arrested soon for refusing to take their alien poison.

437910 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, -8, #888 of 1350 🔗

every person who takes it is a braindead moron”

Unfortunately – that’s just sucking a comfort blanket.

They’re observably not.

437920 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Biker, 7, #889 of 1350 🔗

you and me both. what’s your plan for when they decide to sedate and forcibly inject you?

438226 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JaneHarry, #890 of 1350 🔗

That’s a personal choice. Firearms, sharp things, heavy things, come immediately to mind …

438018 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Biker, 1, #891 of 1350 🔗

Not quite. There are some who truly believed that the government has (had) their good at heart and that they should conform for the good of the whole. They TRULY believed this. And I know that for a fact – being closely associated with some.

They’re not ‘brain dead’ and actually are the eternal optimists, if misguided by their optimism. There will still be room for optimists in the world when this has passed and we shouldn’t denigrate them, if they truly believe. They may be misguided by the manipulation and coercion but that doesn’t make them bad people.

So yes – we who believe we should go to the wall for our beliefs are perhaps in a position now to be charitable to the misguided ones. Who aren’t ”BAD people” but just easily coerced/manipulated/hypnotised/frightened/etc/

Let’s be charitable, as soon we’ll be on the winning side. And you won’t be ”arrested” but you may be one of the ”arresters”.

438067 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Banjones, #892 of 1350 🔗

I used to be an optimist until last March then I knew something evil was going down. I get what you’re saying about the people who believe this – I keep being told things are looking up, getting better by friends and family and I feel so bad for them because they don’t deserve this.

438129 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Banjones, 1, #893 of 1350 🔗

There are optimists,and there are gullible fools.
The two groups do not coincide.

438236 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Banjones, #894 of 1350 🔗

They’re not ‘brain dead’ and actually are the eternal optimists, if misguided by their optimism. There will still be room for optimists in the world when this has passed and we shouldn’t denigrate them, if they truly believe. They may be misguided by the manipulation and coercion but that doesn’t make them bad people.

Most of this is true. Though there are some ‘eternal optimists ‘ on here too.

It’s not that they are bad people, it’s that they are part of the problem – a dangerous, proven-to-be-easily-manipulated, frightened/damaged part of the problem. The motivation or character of enemy foot soldiers is not hugely relevant in wartime.

Edit:

… as soon we’ll be on the winning side.

And wash your mouth out asap ! Chickens/hubris/jinx. Ffs.

437904 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #895 of 1350 🔗

How long will it take for significantly more people to grasp that it really is all bollocks – rather than just disobeying the Fuhrer(s).

438034 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to RickH, #896 of 1350 🔗

You left out the word ”dangerous”.

437918 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #897 of 1350 🔗

From conversations I have had with those who are still my friends, many of them think that the Oxford/Astra Zeneca ‘vaccine’ is a traditional vaccine. Far from it, it’s Gene therapy by a different mechanism, see below:

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca , formerly AZD1222
COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca was co-invented by the University of Oxford and its spin-out company, Vaccitech. It uses a replication-deficient chimpanzee viral vector based on a weakened version of a common cold virus (adenovirus) that causes infections in chimpanzees and contains the genetic material of the SARS-CoV-2 virus spike protein. After vaccination, the surface spike protein is produced, priming the immune system to attack the SARS-CoV-2 virus if it later infects the body.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-authorised-for-emergency-use-by-the-world-health-organization.html

437947 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #898 of 1350 🔗

They claim it protects you from severe symptoms. But a lot of very elderly and frail people do die after having the vaccine and it’s likely they or many of them are testing positive for Covid because of the way the vaccine works.

438045 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Awkward Git, #899 of 1350 🔗

I know of at least one of their employees currently self-isolating after getting covid-19, asymptomatically, several weeks after their vaccination. Nice one.

438063 ▶▶ jos, replying to Awkward Git, #900 of 1350 🔗

To avoid being shipped off to a camp?

437865 Mark, replying to Mark, 29, #901 of 1350 🔗

Protester launches firework at police officer’s FACE in Dublin city centre as huge crowd clashes with cops armed with batons during anti-lockdown march
Signs of real resistance in Ireland.

Now will it just provide a pretext for further crackdown, or be the start of some real progress?

437869 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Mark, 16, #902 of 1350 🔗

No sympathy for the pigs. Sorry. They brought this on themselves.

437890 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 13, #903 of 1350 🔗

My view as well. My only sympathy is for the innocent protesters brutalised in the police thugs’ collective punishment retaliation, and my only concern is for how this will contribute to the panickers’ propaganda campaign.

437900 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 15, #904 of 1350 🔗

me neither. if you collaborate in ushering in an authoritarian, genocidal regime then I’m sorry, but you’re just asking for a firework in the face

437928 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JaneHarry, #905 of 1350 🔗

… and handing the opposition a publicity win?

No – brain dead intemperance remains brain dead.

437991 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to RickH, 5, #906 of 1350 🔗

I’ve never seen a civil revolt with a PR campaign. Fuck publicity, just keep swinging.

438029 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #907 of 1350 🔗

I’ve never seen a civil revolt with a PR campaign .

In fairness, pretty much SOP in “colour revolutions”. In fact, that’s almost the definition.

437873 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Mark, 8, #908 of 1350 🔗

Historically the Emerald Isle is not so supine.

437874 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 6, #909 of 1350 🔗

One fella. All other videos looked peaceful. National media have their headline though. Big turnout.

437893 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #910 of 1350 🔗

Be interesting to see if there’s any proper condemnation of the collective punishment dished out by the police in retaliation against innocents.

437876 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mark, 9, #911 of 1350 🔗

The only thugs I could see were wearing uniforms.

437877 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mark, 6, #912 of 1350 🔗

Delighted that the people are fighting back. I hope it hit someone, and I hope it hurt. No sympathy with the police if they attempt to enforce tyranny.

437881 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Mark, 5, #913 of 1350 🔗

Finally, the MSM reporting lockdown protests close to home.

437895 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Mark, 7, #915 of 1350 🔗

Taxi for Van Tampax

437896 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 8, #916 of 1350 🔗

The police are looking really stupid with this constant harassment of the totally harmless Corbyn.

Hopefully the stupidity is making him harmful as a highlighter of idiots .

437936 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 6, #917 of 1350 🔗

Yes. I might not agree with much of what he says (except for the shared basic stance against lockdowns), but I absolutely respect his courage and determination. (We might share some antiwar and anti-EU opinions as well, I suspect, but I’m not sure of his stances on those issues).

Is he more damaging to the panickers as a victim of pointless and thuggish harassment than he is useful as a mainstream hate figure? I don’t know, but I think he’s right to stand firm anyway.

438169 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 4, #918 of 1350 🔗

If they had left him alone he could have been dismissed as a harmless old crank.They are making a martyr of him.
His bravery puts us all to shame.

437942 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mark, 8, #919 of 1350 🔗

Handcuffing a guy in his 70’s who doesn’t exactly look a fighter makes the police look complete automaton fools. They are just an embarrassment. Although being fair some forces show at least some more common sense than the Met in how they deal with their prisoners.

437978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to nottingham69, 7, #920 of 1350 🔗

We were told that the Met were ordered to “go in hard” on coronapanic protesters quite early on, but there’s been a curious and studied lack of curiosity about exactly who gave that evil and illegal order.

I wonder why….

438126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mark, 3, #921 of 1350 🔗

Wasn’t it Fetida Dick?The vicious cow who encourages zombies to turn on the unmasked?

438137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, 1, #922 of 1350 🔗

My suspects were Dick, Khan or Patel. Purely circumstantial though – those are the individuals with the clout to have such an order (formal or informal) obeyed. Was there ever any real indication of which it was?

438155 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, #923 of 1350 🔗

The TSG answer to Khan and Dick

438179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, #924 of 1350 🔗

Formally, perhaps, but in practice all domestic security organs jump when the Home Secretary says to do so.

438191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Mark, #925 of 1350 🔗

all of the above in collusion

437911 ▶▶ ekd, replying to Mark, 18, #926 of 1350 🔗

It has been an eye-opener for me over the last year to what extend the Garda Síochána, the “guards”, are now the enemy of the people. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been stopped at checkpoints by these lackies, questioning me as to why I’m moving about my own country. Now they are constantly masked, even in the open air, reinforcing their alliance with this evil scam. The last encounter was in Dublin airport, these SS-like functionaries are now questioning every traveler as to the reason for their wanting to move freely. I would never have thought I would say this but almost any resistance to this evil must now be considered justified.

437914 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to ekd, 2, #927 of 1350 🔗

Not only justified, a moral obligation.

437950 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to ekd, 5, #928 of 1350 🔗

They’ve forgotten (or never learned) what happened to their predecessor organisation – the RIC, which was abolished almost 100 years ago after the Free State was established. Only 13 of the RIC rank and file got jobs in the new police force, the rest (my own great great grandfather included) lost their jobs as they were no longer welcome in the State.

437971 ▶▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #929 of 1350 🔗

The Dublin regime now is less representative of the real Irish people than the regime in Dublin in 1920.

438002 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Ewan Duffy, #930 of 1350 🔗

Quite a few former RIC headed or in some cases fled to Britain. Brendan Behan encountered one of them when he was jailed for planning a bombing campaign in Liverpool. The man, a prison guard, had a Munster accent mixed into an English one. He jeered at Behan, who retorted (approximate words from memory) “Jeez, they chased you out of it anyway. You haven’t stopped running yet!” (Brendan Behan, Borstal Boy )

437988 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ekd, 5, #931 of 1350 🔗

It has been an eye-opener for me over the last year to what extend the Garda Síochána, the “guards”, are now the enemy of the people . “

In fairness, I’ve seen the same said by Brits about the British forces.

The last encounter was in Dublin airport, these SS-like functionaries are now questioning every traveler as to the reason for their wanting to move freely.

Coronapanic theatre piled on top of still enforced 9/11 security theatre from 20 years ago. As Hitchens and others have pointed out, once government is allowed to take these powers, they don;t easily give them back.

437998 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Mark, 2, #932 of 1350 🔗

Yep. The US has been in a state of emergency since 9/11, and every year it is reviewed in the senate.

437912 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Mark, 10, #933 of 1350 🔗

had to laugh at the comment:

Bunch of idiots,should be last to get vaccinations

437913 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #934 of 1350 🔗

That’ll learn em!

437953 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #935 of 1350 🔗

Jesus, I think I’d go out and protest if it guaranteed I’d be last on the list for experimentation , sorry, vaccination.

437981 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JaneHarry, #936 of 1350 🔗

Some common ground, then, at least?

437941 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 4, #937 of 1350 🔗

Look at those bastard protesters keeping those poor Gardaí away from their Tik Tok dance practice.

437875 DThom, replying to DThom, 19, #938 of 1350 🔗

What a nice sunny day. Had a walk by the Tees in Stockton. People everywhere, groups of six or more with kids, picnics, people lying in banks enjoying the sunshine. Great to see.
Someone tell TPTB to get stuffed!

438021 ▶▶ Janette, replying to DThom, #939 of 1350 🔗

Great to hear

437885 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #940 of 1350 🔗

Someone here, I forget who, posted a breakdown of December 2020 deaths against 5 year average for the main causes. Thought I saved it but can’t find it anywhere. Anyone remember the link?

437892 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #941 of 1350 🔗

Think it was Allen

437908 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #942 of 1350 🔗

Easy to search through and find here:

https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

437954 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Awkward Git, #943 of 1350 🔗

Thanks, never heard of this before.

437951 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ceriain, 2, #945 of 1350 🔗

Thanks very much, I want to try and open some people’s eyes.

438008 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #946 of 1350 🔗

Hopefully you can do that. It’s a terrific analysis, and can’t be denied – Government’s own numbers.

438113 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #947 of 1350 🔗

This was a post by Allen last week:

…. drawing from two papers that analyzed the 2020 mortality rates in the UK. The first one listed is quite short with the second article much longer. Here are the two articles :
https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/01/30/investigation-100k-covid-deaths/
https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

My Summary- Highlighting what I believe to be the most salient points from the first piece as we look towards a similar assessment for the United States:
– Comparing the death rate of 2020 with previous 20 years. 2020 rate was 1,037/100,000 in the UK. Highest in 10 years but not the highest in the last 20 years. What happened?
2008 had a death rate of 1,084/100,000. 2005 had 1,137/100,000. Every year prior to 2009 had a higher death rate that 2020;
– UK Lockdown was towards end of March in 2020;
At home deaths began to escalate in April .  5 year avg. for deaths in April previous to 2020 was 9,384 . In April 2020 there were 16,909 at home deaths;
– 5 year average for deaths in care homes in April was 8,691 . In April 2020 there were 26,541 deaths that occurred in care homes . Astronomical increase;
Hospital data for April 2017- 2020 :
April-June 2017 91,724 beds occupied= 89% occupancy rate;
April-June 2018 91,056 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;
April-June 2019 91,730 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;
April-June 2020 58,005 beds occupied= 62% occupancy rate.
2018 – April – 1,984,369 attended A&E (Ambulance and Emergency)
2019 – April 2,112,165 attended A&E
2020 – April – 916,581 attended A&E
Important Notes:
30% less hospital beds occupied in April – June 2020 compared with previous 3 years;
A&E in April 2020 was 57% down from 2019.
These numbers explain the high numbers of at home deaths.
Increase in deaths occurring at home and in care homes in April 2020 due to not being treated for illnesses in hospital. No acute care in private homes or care homes.
CAUSE OF DEATHS USING DECEMBER 2020 AS EXAMPLE:
– Leading cause of death was stated as “Covid-19 deaths”= 10,973 deaths for December 2020;
2nd leading cause of death in December 2020- Dementia and Alzheimer’s= 5281 deaths;
Previous 5 year average for December= 28,198 deaths due to Dementia and Alzheimer’s ;
This is a 500%+ alteration from previous 5 years. A statistical impossibility.
– Heart disease deaths in December 2020= 4,635
December 5 year average , 21,997
This represents a near 500% statistical deviation from previous 5 year average- also not possible.
– Chronic lower respiratory disease deaths December 2020= 1,790
December 5 year average, 13,384 .
This represents about a 700% detour from the 5 year average. Not possible.
– Influenza and pneumonia deaths December 2020, 1,190
December 5 year average= 11,295.
This represents about a 1000% deviation from the 5 year average. What is left to say?
And so on…. tables are included with the first article.
It seems it would take quite a monumental argument to prove that these death certificates have not been manipulated. It would take an even grander argument to illustrate that the NHS was under pressure at any time as during the height of the “pandemic” at home deaths soared to record heights and hospital and emergency services sunk to all-time lows.

437886 PoshPanic, 15, #948 of 1350 🔗

Had a late afternoon walk on the beach. The only people sitting on the promenade wall, were two over weight coppers. Probably having a rest after their tough day in the sun.

437887 TJN, replying to TJN, 11, #949 of 1350 🔗

There’s so much stuff to read and listen to right now I can’t keep up.

I’ve only just watched the Ivor Cummins Viral Reality Update from 13 February.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoJ0m4GlGV4&feature=emb_title

I like Cummins. He’s the sort of guy you want on your side. He’s a scrapper. The more anyone tries to knock him, the harder he will hit back.

For anyone who hasn’t seen this Update, I highly recommend the concluding 46 seconds from 30:08.

And sometimes, just looking at this whole thing, makes me think a little Biblical …

438038 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TJN, 1, #950 of 1350 🔗

Or a little Tolkienical…..

437891 this is my username, replying to this is my username, 19, #951 of 1350 🔗

.

437945 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to this is my username, 5, #952 of 1350 🔗

Nice.

437894 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 16, #953 of 1350 🔗
437924 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #954 of 1350 🔗

Let’s hope they root out and punish the corrupt bastards within the NHS as well.

As more of these type of stories break, just watch the corrupt health professionals, scientists and politicians start throwing each other under the bus to save their own repulsive skins.

437934 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #955 of 1350 🔗

Brilliant! The more the merrier.

437935 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #956 of 1350 🔗

MIrror’s got some nerve jumping on that bandwagon, given they have been fearmongers-in-chief.

437965 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to OKUK, 4, #957 of 1350 🔗

Nevertheless, there is something to be said for the sinner who repenteth. Even if it is just jumping on a bandwagon, it will give the scum in ‘charge’ something unpleasant up their backside!

437989 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 5, #958 of 1350 🔗

I don’t care.The time for recriminations is when we have our freedom back.We need the papers or at least some of them to do their job and hold the government to account.You won’t turn the sheep without their help.

437937 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #959 of 1350 🔗

MPs will sense the wind change and come out from hiding. Two faced spineless bastards.

437944 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to eastender53, 13, #960 of 1350 🔗

I hopre this really opens the doors of perception for some. I mean, deaths labelled as Covid is only possible on this industrial scale via use of the dodgy PCR. And that is but a step from the DM and Mirror headlines.

That is where most people go down the rabbit hole. I have read 3 or four articles on PCR this week which read like the whole thing had just been stumbled upon. The Lancet in particular. Like, some kind of earth shattering revelation. I just can’t wrap my head around how late to the party they are but at least they are getting there.

437958 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #961 of 1350 🔗

The question is: why now?

437961 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #962 of 1350 🔗

Could it be anything to do with Reiner Fuellmich’s legal case against Drosten et al which focuses on the PCR test?

The media and the “experts” knew it was dodgy, but it suited their objectives to keep shtum.

Now that the stakes have been raised considerably with possible legal ramifications, they suddenly “discover” a problem with it (just like the disgraceful, corrupt WHO did a few weeks ago)

By the way, which Hollywood director is going to get the gig to cover Fuellmich’s crusade? If his work contributes to bringing this lunacy to an end and putting some of the evil bastards behind bars, it’s a guaranteed box office smash!

438068 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Draper233, 3, #963 of 1350 🔗

Yeah PCR takes out Drosten first. That leads to eurosurveillance and Bustins rigged peer review. We then go back to the origins and the 24hr approval of the test based on very weak fundamentals and primer issues. Then we get into the the real dirty business of follow the money. The Panic Papers in UK and Germany. PCR unravels it all

437992 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #964 of 1350 🔗

Vallance said as much in the press conference on Feb 10.It was totally ignored.

438012 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #965 of 1350 🔗

I wrote a ‘brief’ on the PCR and sent it to Carl Heneghan in October – this was his reply on Nov 1: “ It’s a good brief I would publish it as It clearly explains the current problem with pcr  Many thanks  Carl. Carl Heneghan”

And listen,hey, I’m no genius.

438124 ▶▶▶▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Bungle, 1, #966 of 1350 🔗

Ha! Can you send to Toby and get it shared in news update?

437907 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #967 of 1350 🔗

Keep an eye on Jamaica in the coming month:

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20210227/vax-hope-jamaica-wont-be-sharing-covid-jabs-caricom-says-tufton-first

“Jamaica gears up to receive a gift of 50,000 AstraZeneca vaccines from India next week”

Let’s see if they have the same coincidental correlation in deaths soon as observed here, the Seychelles, Gibraltar, UAE and so on.

437959 ▶▶ iane, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #968 of 1350 🔗

Yep – the Grim Reaper will be over-joyed!

If ANY of the current group of ‘vaccines’ prove to cause major medium- or long-term problems, the future is going to be one Hell of a place!

437987 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #969 of 1350 🔗

Hm, interesting how Jamaica is being used as a test bed in a different way than the Bahamas.

437999 ▶▶▶ Matt The Cat, replying to awildgoose, 6, #970 of 1350 🔗

The ‘Powers That Be’ know better than to mess with Jamaicans, who won’t stand still for much more of this nonsense. Moreover, they are armed to the teeth with illegal guns and, probably more importantly, a sense of what is morally right and what is morally wrong.

437919 OldBaldGamer, replying to OldBaldGamer, 83, #971 of 1350 🔗

Heaving along Southend Seafront today

Chippies open, beers ice cream, kids swimming in the sea, loads of large groups.

Had a great time chilling on the beach for a few hours

Fuck Boris, Fuck the UN, Fuck the WEF, Fuck agenda 21/30, Fuck Vaccines and passports

I’ll do what I want, see who I want, when I want

Fuck ’em all.

437921 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to OldBaldGamer, 10, #972 of 1350 🔗

Something serious wrong, people swimming in teh sea, yikes, it’s Still February, must be freezing.

437926 ▶▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to Andrew K, -33, #973 of 1350 🔗

It was mid 60’s loads of us in T shirts, jumpers, no coats needed.

The only people who use the term “yikes” are BLM LBGTQ rainbow morons, who spend all day on their computers, in their mums houses.

Let me guess you are “literally shaking right now ” , and I’m obviously Hitler

Fuck off and troll elsewhere little boy, or go outside, you know in the sun.

Twat

437932 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OldBaldGamer, 5, #974 of 1350 🔗

Haven’t you ever noticed the difference between sea and air temperatures?

437946 ▶▶▶▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to OKUK, #975 of 1350 🔗

Their were loads of kids in the sea, not sure what you want me to say.

People are in the sea here on Christmas day.

It was a really nice Saturday on the beach,

I believe their are many pictures around the Interwebs of nasty selfish people like me enjoying themselves today

438302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to OldBaldGamer, 1, #976 of 1350 🔗

‘There’ not ‘their’. “Your slip’s showing” as my nana would say. The only aspect of your post that I think bears any truth is your admission to being ‘nasty selfish’.

438056 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to OldBaldGamer, 9, #977 of 1350 🔗

I was outside Tesco’s playing the Oracle film really loadly on my car, you know the one where all doctors warn against the vaccine. Everybody heard it. Got sworn at several times, and even spat at. Eventually after 70 minutes the police moved me on. So go FUCK YOURSELF if you think I’m at home playing on my computer because I used the word YIKES

438071 ▶▶▶▶▶ OldBaldGamer, replying to Andrew K, -14, #978 of 1350 🔗

No you didn’t sweetheart.

What are you fucking 12 ?

438223 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Andrew K, 2, #979 of 1350 🔗

Ignore. I think there might be a troll tag team thing going on here.

438218 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to OldBaldGamer, 3, #980 of 1350 🔗

No need to be nasty to AK, it was a reasonable and friendly observation. Totally get the power and emotion of your original post however we don’t turn on our own peops.

438221 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #981 of 1350 🔗

Yikes!

438222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 1, #982 of 1350 🔗

That was for OBG, Andrea. Not you.

437938 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to OldBaldGamer, 3, #983 of 1350 🔗

Good on you OBG. Totally agree with your sentiments, although I feel that things will gradually be made much more uncomfortable for those who believe they can exercise their right to freedom…

437996 ▶▶ jos, replying to OldBaldGamer, 3, #984 of 1350 🔗

Why do I get the sinking feeling this is the calm before the storm – let me guess: adverse reactions to vaccines increase and the non-vaccinated are said to be to blame. Things turn nasty so for our own ‘safety’ we are evicted from our homes and taken by train to the areas that were marked on Van Tam’s map yesterday as areas of ‘hotbeds of disease’ (conveniently located in the highest non-white area of the country) in the Midlands where that Nightingale Hospital / quarantine camp has been constructed – and they confiscate our property unless / until / whether or not we have the vaccine. Plausible?

438004 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to jos, 7, #985 of 1350 🔗

The SAGE prediction of a huge spike in summer infections if restrictions are lifted “too early” was exceptionally strange, but in the context of a possible mass ADE reaction amongst the vaccinated that is being anticipated it makes much more sense.

438122 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to jos, 4, #986 of 1350 🔗

No.

437933 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 32, #987 of 1350 🔗

The peoples of New Zealand and Australia are in for one very long, hard Autumn and Winter.

Should be interesting to see how those who applauded Arden and Andrews deal with the never ending lockdowns to come.

Serves them right!

437939 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Ceriain, 8, #988 of 1350 🔗

Yep, and just in case anybody missed it from earlier:

New Zealand PM Ardern plunges Auckland into 2nd LOCKDOWN in a month after new Covid-19 case detected
https://www.rt.com/news/516750-auckland-emergency-covid-lockdown-ardern/

438048 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Draper233, 3, #989 of 1350 🔗

They must be mad. Their 7 day weekly average of cases , acording to worldometers, is 4 . They have had just one death since Sept 2020. And they lockdown for that?

438064 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to mikewaite, 1, #990 of 1350 🔗

AND these are not ”cases”.

437943 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 7, #991 of 1350 🔗

Not sure what sort of news they get re the UK in NZ as I was told in no uncertain terms by my cousin, in NZ, that I was very very wrong about the numbers in the UK. After saying that everyone who dies is classed as a covid death, I was told, No, they were definitely all covid.

437956 guy153, replying to guy153, 13, #992 of 1350 🔗

This talk of the decline slowing is somewhat of a non-issue. Since the endpoint is a roughly flat line (endemic equilibrium) the decline always slows as you approach that point. There isn’t a sudden sharp turn in the graph as you somehow crash land into herd immunity.

437972 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to guy153, 2, #993 of 1350 🔗

Also, and I haven’t done any calculations to see if this is the case, if the percentage change/decrease is staying roughly the same, then as cases get lower and lower the actual change in terms of numbers will appear to slow down.

As always, it’s never enough. Everything has dropped massively according to their own figures, but because it’s slowing down we’ve all failed.

437984 ▶▶ jos, replying to guy153, 2, #994 of 1350 🔗

Absolutely- I somehow feel they aren’t very good at maths 😂

437957 Julian, replying to Julian, 17, #995 of 1350 🔗

Trip down to London today. Lots of traffic on the roads. Area around St Pauls, Millenium Bridge and Tate Modern was buzzing – lots of groups meeting up, big group of kids skateboarding, people on the grass and on the steps of St Pauls picnicing, buskers, no sign of any police or covid wombles, just humans enjoying a day out in the sun

Ally Pally park was also busy

Mr Van Tam will not be happy. Presumably he skulked around at home. More fool him.

437974 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Julian, 12, #996 of 1350 🔗

I guess the lack of comments on here today is as everyone was outside enjoying themselves and having a live!

437960 Janette, replying to Janette, 24, #997 of 1350 🔗

I was listening to Talk Radio and I was very disappointed when a caller got cut off for stating his view on the vaccine and the presenter said there had been no deaths from the vaccine. This is a lie, the yellow card system and the VAERS DO show deaths because of the vaccine!

437964 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Janette, 7, #998 of 1350 🔗

Ofcom will turn them off if they speak ill of the vaccine

437968 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Janette, 8, #999 of 1350 🔗

401 deaths on yellow card system

438043 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to pub with no beer, 4, #1000 of 1350 🔗

Yes

437973 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ewan Duffy, 20, #1002 of 1350 🔗

A rather disgusting article by Nick Cohen in the Grauniad .”

More than one redundancy there….

437975 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ewan Duffy, 13, #1003 of 1350 🔗

Nick Cohen is one of the reasons I gave upon Guardserver. Completely racist-Zionist to the core.

437976 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #1004 of 1350 🔗

I can’t bear to click on the link, but please tell me he’s not encouraging people to “turn on” (whatever that means) other people who haven’t had the jab?

If so, shouldn’t we also turn on people who haven’t been vaccinated for measles, polio, diphtheria, flu?

How about people with AIDS? TB?

437986 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1005 of 1350 🔗

He hasn’t said as much but has suggested that rather than turn on the Government for not freeing them from their lockdowns, the vaccinated will turn on the unvaccinated because their freedoms have not been restored.

What he thinks will happen in his utopian landscape of 99% vaccinated (the 1% will be exempted) and freedoms are not restored……

437994 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ewan Duffy, 9, #1006 of 1350 🔗

Ah I see, he still thinks everyone having the vaccine will end the lockdown.

Anyway, last thing I saw, govt were trying to blame vaccinated people for daring to stop social distancing and wearing masks – so perhaps the unvaccinated should turn on them instead?

438026 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1007 of 1350 🔗

Awful! Even the title…aaargh…
Also how to share Graun articles so he doesn’t get money for those that may not be aware.

How to share Guardian articles (fivefilters.org)

Also this whistleblower Israeli lawyer looks interesting. https://twitter.com/donkamion78/status/1365738131782328322?s=20

438010 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ewan Duffy, 11, #1008 of 1350 🔗

No one will worry about the unvaccinated, when they are just a small group, 1-10% even.
That equates more or less to those who will or can get a medical exemption anyway.
It is possible, that the vaxxed turn against the unvaxxed due to tyrannic governments true intent upon continuing on/off lockdowns etc. for good anyway and their propagating of hatred, which this UK government in particular seems to specialize in and rather enjoy.
But the real, big problem fot them is not that the unvaxxed might impede upon the mythical herd immunity and HIT being reached- it is highly likely that 2/3rds of the population will succumb anyway, and that this number is more than sufficient.
The real, big problem for authorities, the media, ‘scientists’, big tech and big pharma&co is that they cannot allow that a relevant, sizeable control group of unvaxxed people exists at all, when the medium to longterm sideffects of the gene therapies start to kick in and might result in far above average deaths, cancer rates, ADEs, Parkinson etc. in that vaxxed group.
Because then, all hell would break lose and this couldn’t be covered up anymore.
With a small enough control group, those side effects could be covered up and the better health of the unvaxxed be described as
‘statistically irrelevant’ then.
THAT’s the real game they are playing here, with all of our lives, and the real reason for a vaxx mandate, if it is instituted.

438057 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to JayBee, 2, #1009 of 1350 🔗

Very good point about the control group JayBee!

438059 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1010 of 1350 🔗

How will people know if others are vaccinated or not? When people ask me if I’m going to get vaccinated I tell them it is nothing to do with them.

438117 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, #1011 of 1350 🔗

I’m told that a large yellow star with ‘unvaccinated’ written across it will serve the purpose.

438007 ▶▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1012 of 1350 🔗

Also the brilliant flu jab, which if you believe the stats we don’t need anymore, cholera, tetanus, typhoid, yellow fever, chicken pox, meningitis etc etc etc. We can’t save everybody.

437977 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1013 of 1350 🔗

how will they know?

437979 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1014 of 1350 🔗

⭐️

437993 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to DanClarke, 4, #1015 of 1350 🔗

The unvaccinated with have yellow star badges with JUDE on them…

438013 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Waldorf, 3, #1016 of 1350 🔗

Demo in Israel today with these symbols and against their policy and discrimination.

437985 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1017 of 1350 🔗

Huh.

Reads like something a Nazi would write.

437997 ▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to Ewan Duffy, 8, #1018 of 1350 🔗

I have just read the article, absolutely shocking. But we must remember there are many more of his type with views as sick as this. Where will it stop if these views become main stream. This is what worries me about this country now.

438011 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ewan Duffy, 12, #1019 of 1350 🔗

“It is only a matter of time before we turn on the unvaccinated”

The voice of liberal opinion.

438036 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to rockoman, 2, #1020 of 1350 🔗

Only in Pink Floyd’s ‘Sheep’, when: “babbling and bleating we fell on his neck with a scream”.

438118 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to rockoman, #1021 of 1350 🔗

… before they turn on blacks and Asians?

438031 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1022 of 1350 🔗

Cohen is the reason I stopped reading the Guardian some years ago – he is totally insane. No comments on the article as expected.

438119 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, #1023 of 1350 🔗

Cohen is the name, is it?He should know something about persecution.

438172 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1024 of 1350 🔗
438254 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1025 of 1350 🔗

If anyone is wondering what kind of person would have been a Nazi sympathiser then they need look no further than Nick Cohen.

437980 awildgoose, 8, #1026 of 1350 🔗

Plunging demand for WuFlu tests in the US:

Plunging demand for COVID-19 tests may leave US exposed (msn.com)

Clearly, the proper response is EVERYONE PANIC!!!

And get a vax, any vax, and do whatever St. Fauci says today.

437983 kh1485, 18, #1027 of 1350 🔗

Just read a great story from a fellow LS:

Well you’ve got to make money some how. Being self employed right now in certain trades is impossible. I’m quite lucky as a lot of my friends/clients will justify it to themselves in some way 😂 😂 I’ve been working with my husband, I decorated a lady’s house in XXXX, she’s a criminal law barrister and asked me to accidently drop my hair dryer in my bag and she would accidently have wet hair when I got there. 😂

437990 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 27, #1028 of 1350 🔗

Not so many comments as usual today.
Could it be that everyone has been out enjoying the sunshine and getting on with their life?

438001 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Margaret, 8, #1029 of 1350 🔗

I’ve certainly been out twice, once longswording in the park and once dog-walking. Unfortunately only two of us both times, so probably legal, but we did stop for an extended chat with acquaintances on the dogwalk, so hopefully that can count as my quota of lawbreaking for the day. Maybe having two exercise sessions in one day is illegal anyway, who really knows? Or cares much.

438028 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Margaret, 4, #1030 of 1350 🔗

Yep, I’ve been ‘rule breaking’ all day 🙂

438054 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Margaret, #1031 of 1350 🔗

Hope so. Hope it’s not because people have become disillusioned with a lockdown sceptics site that says we have to wait for vaccines to free us from lockdowns.

437995 fiery, replying to fiery, 22, #1032 of 1350 🔗

Just to add to what others are reporting. I’ve been out 6-7 times today which is what I’ve been doing from day one of this charade. I’ve got a dog to walk and better things to do than hide indoors. Lots of people out and about in the parks and woodlands. Queues outside anywhere serving coffee. Saw very few people in face nappies other than in the supermarket. Traffic seemed back to pre lockdown levels.

438015 ▶▶ Janette, replying to fiery, 3, #1033 of 1350 🔗

Excellent

438035 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to fiery, 14, #1034 of 1350 🔗

Altricham market , friday morning . Should have no problem getting my sourdough bagette at my favourite bread stall : What ? You are all sold out?, its only 10 o’clock.on a weekday
Today , afternoon market area packed , people with food and drink . No tables out of course so sitting on every window ledge and wall , packed together far tighter than if seated in a civilised manner at cafe tables , inside or outside. The people who govern us live in a completely different world synthesized for them by the incompetent “scientists” of SAGE and Imperial.
Mentioning the latter BTW . let me take you back to the beginning of October , 1961 , the first lecture of the first day of the Chemistry course at the Royal college of Science (IC) : The derivation of the Debye – Huckel equation via solution of partial differential equations in polar coordinates , delivered by a (real, not Mickey Mann type) Nobel prize winner. And it never got easier. Somewhere along the time line Imperial College changed from being a instrument for improving the lives of the citizens of Great Britain through hard science and engineering to a tool for making money – buggar the science (excuse my French , bit angry)..

438082 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to fiery, 3, #1035 of 1350 🔗

Someone pointed out yesterday that about 11 million people are out at work, and they probably live with another 15 million – so who needs to be ”locked down” besides those who are afraid or who believe themselves to be ”vulnerable”?

438000 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 46, #1036 of 1350 🔗

Most people finding their octagenarian sister on the kitchen floor would be stunned and not know quite what to do and this is how I found her a couple of hours ago. Apparently she had been playing a game with my 4-year old granddaughter to see who can get flat out first. Both were laughing their heads off.as you can see. A doctor friend had told her to have any vaccine as she is very vulnerable. I told her 3 things: the pandemic finished last May; she is extremely active and healthy; the ‘vaccines’ are unproven. In sum, my advice “don’t worry”; doctor’s advice “you are in grave danger”.

438022 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bungle, 9, #1037 of 1350 🔗

HER decision.
ONLY HERS.

438042 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Bungle, 8, #1038 of 1350 🔗

It really annoys me when the medical profession persist in defining anyone over 80 as very vulnerable. I believe Sir Chris Bonnington climbed the Old Man of Hoy on his 80th birthday and I personally know a number of 80+ year olds who are fitter than many people in their 20s.

438050 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to fiery, 10, #1039 of 1350 🔗

An old friend of mine had his own accountancy firm. When he retired – at 80 – his staff bought him a mountain bike as his leaving present.

438069 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to fiery, 2, #1040 of 1350 🔗

I had a customer who had 95 regularly went to the gym. registered blind, but absolutely full of life.

438078 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to fiery, 3, #1041 of 1350 🔗

Thank you for that. I’ve played tennis through the years with people around 80 years old who could knock me into a cocked hat. And the best coach I EVER had was in his early 80s.

438312 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to fiery, 1, #1042 of 1350 🔗

The medical profession, or at least the “public health” part of it, which arguably isn’t proper medicine, has a “one size fits all” policy. You’re put into a category according to age and everyone in that category is to be treated in the same way irrespective of personal circumstances.

438005 isobar, replying to isobar, 19, #1043 of 1350 🔗

Latest from the Sun on Britons breaking free and enjoying the sunshine despite warnings.

‘Flockdown’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14180274/uk-weather-today-crowds-beaches-lockdown-sunshine/

Readers comments increasingly supportive although still some resistance

438030 ▶▶ Julian, replying to isobar, 13, #1044 of 1350 🔗

The masses I saw out and about today were of all sorts

In a crowded city, I think police action to stop people gathering and sitting down would simply not work. It was as much as they could do to stop riots in certain areas a few years ago

If a good proportion of shops and pubs opened, people would go to them. Once you get over a certain number I don’t think it could be policed

Just need to tip people over the edge

438061 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #1045 of 1350 🔗

My wife and her sister went to Borough market.She said it was packed but the police and market wardens we’re moving people along.

438104 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1046 of 1350 🔗

A market is an easier target. The wider the area the harder it is to police

438249 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Julian, #1047 of 1350 🔗

Agree, think that the tipping point is close’

438051 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to isobar, 3, #1048 of 1350 🔗

Masses of people socialising in the open and enjoying themselves today – necking beer, and definitely not exercising.

438251 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to OKUK, #1049 of 1350 🔗

Getting there! Good for them!

438006 jos, replying to jos, 14, #1050 of 1350 🔗

The trolls on this site talk to each other as if they’re great mates joshing with each other with the clearest of motives to get us to let down our guard. You know who you are and I’m not falling for it. When this is all over, however long it takes, you can skulk back to whatever other job you do and – what? Feel proud of what you do? Shrug it off as only following orders? When lies are your trade, how can you ever trust or believe anyone? So sad (and it’s every site I go on so just like most people here you can get better at spotting it.) Not naming any names but just warning the true sceptics, if you think this is over, just remember how many decades they have been planning this with every bit of dissent and every countermove calculated. They are evil but not stupid.

438167 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to jos, 1, #1051 of 1350 🔗

More than that, I’d like to ask why? After all they are the agents of evil people who want to tag, enslave and rob us, remove joy and meaning from our lives and quite frankly are dark, evil psychopaths. Have they ever looked in the mirror and see someone they like? No pay or position is worth your soul.

438009 Drew63, replying to Drew63, 72, #1052 of 1350 🔗

Can someone explain the Capt. Tom Moore insanity to me?

Maybe I spent too long living overseas. Maybe I’m just a disagreeable person. But for whatever reason, I find this country’s deification of Capt. Tom Moore utterly puzzling.

Don’t get me wrong. I have nothing against the old guy personally. I’d wish him well just as I would any other veteran or elderly retired person.

What puzzles me is the ridiculous amount of adoration heaped upon this individual for what is, to be perfectly honest, rather meagre accomplishment.

Walking around his garden? Ummm…… OK. He was old. But he wasn’t actually crippled, or in a wheelchair. So it’s not like its some incredible physical accomplishment. I’d note that a young British woman just rowed across the Atlantic Ocean, solo. That’s a feat that demonstrates both physical accomplishment and personal bravery about a million times greater.

Raising money for the NHS? Well, as I’ve noted before, the NHS isn’t actually a charity. What was the money used for? Apparently buying NHS staff cups of tea and lip balm. OK. And, the thing about charity fundraising is – it’s not actually your money . It’s using the PR power of the BBC and the rest of the media to gull people into spending a couple of quid so they can feel better about themselves.

Let’s call the Captain Sir Tom Moore thing what it really is: A massive circle-jerk where the British press and the British public can all tell each other what wonderful selfless human beings they all are. And quietly glossing over the fact that we, as a people, walked into a year or more of forced confinement without having the fucking balls to raise so much as a whimper of protest.

438014 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Drew63, 38, #1053 of 1350 🔗

Can someone explain the Capt. Tom Moore insanity to me?

Sentimental shite that suits elite agendas.

438049 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 24, #1054 of 1350 🔗

Yes cf Her Maj.

If Captain Tom had said at some point – we need to stop the lockdowns now and get back to normal, he would have been unpersoned by the globalist media. But he fed the lockdown with nebulous and, sadly, meaningless messages of hope. I’m sure he was a lovely guy, but normally the PC crowd would be tearing into him for having been part of the Imperialist war machine in Burma. It’s only because he was doing their work this time round that he was tolerated.

438016 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Drew63, 35, #1055 of 1350 🔗

Everything the MSM tells people to think is an absolute fabrication which bears no resemblance to, and is usually the exact opposite of, reality and truth. I sincerely hope that their toxic, constructed, false culture that has been in the ascendant throughout the last year crashes and burns, never to be resurrected again.

438023 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Drew63, 15, #1056 of 1350 🔗

The Beeb’s coverage today is also to distract from the falling (fake) Covid numbers and the amount of people out and about ignoring lockdown rules.

438103 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1057 of 1350 🔗

..those out & about ignoring lockdown rules presumably included several BBC employees, certainly enough of them to film aerial shots of the coffin, take footage indoors of the ceremony, and stand outside yakking about it too. Essential journeys, much?!

438027 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Drew63, 12, #1058 of 1350 🔗

Can’t knock his efforts or motive. At all.

The airbrushing of his final weeks where he’s gone on a jolly against govt advice (not a criticism btw – I have done the same) and caught Rona in an NHS hospital. That is the sickening bit. Overall, I think it would be a little churlish of us to criticise the guy – he seemed a stand up fella.

438052 ▶▶▶ Drew63, replying to Tom Blackburn, 21, #1059 of 1350 🔗

The Brits seem to have this weird fetish about World War II. Maybe you’ve noticed it? And let’s not pretend that this doesn’t play at least a small part in the Tom Moore story.

The curious thing, at least to my eyes, is that everything we are doing with Covid-19 goes against the heroism of Britain’s WWII experience. The people who kept their businesses and schools and pubs and churches open DESPITE the Luftwaffe bombs. The photos of people defiantly working at their desks in bombed out offices. What a contrast to today.

The thing about “heroism” is this: It requires self-sacrifice. And maybe if some old person had stood up and said “I’m 90 years old. I’ve had my chance at life. I’ve had an education. A job. A family. It’s not fair to ask the young of today to sacrifice all that on my behalf .”

If some old British codger had said that? They’d get my vote for Sainthood. But Tom Moore didn’t say that. Did he?

438058 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Drew63, 16, #1060 of 1350 🔗

That is true and a fair point. The WW2 thing is a bit weird, I always find. They try and pretend arseholes didn’t exist back then. You were alive at a certain point in time = automatic respect. When actually, they might have sold their comrades down the river, burgled from neighbours or raped foreign women for all we know.

And don’t get me started on those that think the might of the Third Reich were seen off by people turning the bedroom light off. This might be what I fear most – that maskers, shopping basket checkers and general cunts of the past year, weave themselves into the narrative as heroes of the hour.

438073 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1061 of 1350 🔗

“And don’t get me started on those that think the might of the Third Reich were seen off by people turning the bedroom light off.”

Good point. The blackout didn’t stop a single bomb dropping on Britain’s cities. but “by frightening the nation into blackout regulations, the Luftwaffe was able to kill 600 British citizens a month without ever taking to the air, at a cost to itself of exactly nothing.”

https://spartacus-educational.com/2WWblackout.htm

438072 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Drew63, 7, #1063 of 1350 🔗

My mum (82) said that, not all ‘old codgers’ support this scam.

438055 ▶▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1064 of 1350 🔗

I don’t think Drew was criticising the guy on a personal basis and pretty much said as much. Even Tom himself seemed rather perplexed at the circus that surrounded his walks around his garden.

438039 ▶▶ mj, replying to Drew63, 4, #1065 of 1350 🔗

and using a military courtesy title for a captain… and wearing his service medals all the time – making him out to be a military hero . I had an uncle who was a ww2 captain with a similar record (and a grandad that had a caliper from a WWI injury) who wouldnt dream of boasting about military past . not decrying that Mr Moore did his bit. it just wasnt anything exceptional so flypasts and military salutes is a bit OTT

438040 ▶▶ jos, replying to Drew63, 2, #1066 of 1350 🔗

TPTB think this is what we get off on – I bet they chortled and guffawed over this idea!

438076 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Drew63, 5, #1067 of 1350 🔗

A lot of what you say makes sense.
I switched off when I heard it was the ”NHS” he was raising money for. As a veteran, with, presumably, care for men who served, as he did – why didn’t he raise money for BLESMA, or some such? Or one of his own regiment’s charities? It made me think he’d been manipulated. I hope not.

438112 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Drew63, 5, #1068 of 1350 🔗

Couldn’t agree more (or Moore)..
Captain Dupe was a well- meaning old fool who channelled mass hysteria into the direction most profitable to his Fascist puppet masters.

438020 Mark, replying to Mark, 29, #1069 of 1350 🔗

Sadiq Khan demands mass postal voting for May elections
Gosh, I wonder why a Labour political fief-holder might want lots of postal voting?

By a remarkable coincidence, the US Democrats were really, really keen on pushing postal voting as well.

438024 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 8, #1070 of 1350 🔗

Citizen Khan not baying for masks everywhere? What’s got into him?

And why haven’t the May elections been cancelled already?

438025 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Mark, 9, #1071 of 1350 🔗

It works so well in Tower Hamlets and other areas with a similar demographic why wouldn’t you want to extend it everywhere? </sarc>

438037 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark, 8, #1072 of 1350 🔗

And some religious communities love it as well because it allows the paterfamilias to vote on behalf of the whole family, having consulted his local cleric.

438081 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mark, 1, #1073 of 1350 🔗

So we have a new mayor

438094 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Mark, 3, #1074 of 1350 🔗

He’s just trying to save the taxpayers some quid.

Mail-in ballots are much cheaper than Dominion machines!

438100 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mark, 4, #1075 of 1350 🔗

By a remarkable coincidence, the US Democrats were really, really keen on pushing postal voting as well.” Yup. notice that in California they did not require signature verification for mail in ballots in the Presidential election, on the grounds it was discriminatory & racist, or something.

Now there is a massive petition & effort in CA to recall the Governor, yet now they are requiring signature verification, on those who signed the petition. hmmm….!

438152 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Mark, 2, #1076 of 1350 🔗

Vote early and vote often!

438032 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 10, #1077 of 1350 🔗

Travelers arriving at Toronto’s Pearson airport are beginning to ignore Covid rules:

Some travellers at Toronto airport fined for violating Ontario rules | CBC News

438041 ▶▶ mj, replying to awildgoose, 10, #1078 of 1350 🔗

what – parking their caravans on the runway?

438292 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1079 of 1350 🔗

I would totally take the $880 fine and fight it in court rather than pay $2000 for a 3-day hotel prison stay. It’s totally against our Charter of Rights and Freedoms and I think the government knows it’s likely to be struck down when the first case reaches the court. Besides, the court system is so dysfunctional they may have to drop the fine simply because the case won’t be heard for so long. I’m glad to hear some are ignoring the bullshit rules.

438046 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 26, #1080 of 1350 🔗

One for Old Bill (h/t Covid Kid)…

438053 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1081 of 1350 🔗

👍 🤣

438154 ▶▶ The Covid Kid, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1082 of 1350 🔗

😜

438062 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 15, #1083 of 1350 🔗

Drove 220 miles then went to the market and then walked 8 miles in the countryside. Traffic still abnormally light on the M1 but OK in town. This was the most normal day since last October when the Medical Dictatorship scared the populace with the wrath of the Covid god again. Warm sunshine, plenty of walkers, joggers, cyclists, kids playing in parks, almost normal social distancing, few muzzles even in the High Street. Sunshine is the best disinfectant against SAGE atrocities.

438111 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1084 of 1350 🔗

Maybe SAGES crumble when the sun rises, like second-class trolls.

438065 Andrew K, 5, #1085 of 1350 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdTmplAe1Gs

Three short stories in this 10 mnute video, first two about Ivermectin, 3rd is a doctor who says it’s pretty much all over, heard immunity has reached. Nothing to do with the Jab.

438066 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1086 of 1350 🔗

Don’t have the stomach to read more than the guardian headline It is only a matter of time before we turn on the unvaccinated.

438075 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #1087 of 1350 🔗

Ready and waiting for them

438205 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1088 of 1350 🔗

Yes 100% ready for them. When you have right and truth on your side there really is nowhere to go but victory.

438347 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #1089 of 1350 🔗

Absolutely.

438345 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1090 of 1350 🔗

Me too.Come and get me.I survived 2 tours Afghanistan. I’m sure I can handle my upper middle class leafy suburb whe Justin and Toby come after me.

438351 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Thomas_E, #1091 of 1350 🔗

You’ll do just fine, Thomas. We all will because there’s too much at stake not to.

438077 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #1092 of 1350 🔗

They better hurry before the vaccine injuries kick in.

438276 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1093 of 1350 🔗

I was thinking the same thing! They won’t be able to put up much of a fight once the autoimmune diseases hit or the pathogenic priming take them out next time they get a common cold.

438079 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #1094 of 1350 🔗

Feeling heroic, I’ve just done it.
It’s very strange indeed. It entertains a vision of mob violence directed against poor black and brown people and members of religious minorities. It entertains this vision in order to legitimate that same violence being enacted preemptively in the form of legal coercion.
Nobody has more spectacularly lost their minds over Covid than the educated left. All my friends, sigh.

438099 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Alethea, 3, #1095 of 1350 🔗

Most of mine, too. Doesn’t help the sense of being unpersoned, eh? Sympathies.

438097 ▶▶ Al T, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1096 of 1350 🔗

As usual, one can see in this article the genuine spite the educated left have for any disagreement with their prevailing orthodoxy.

This, however, is going to develop into a cleft stick for them if minorities don’t take up the blessed jag. Screaming for Covid permission apps but lamenting government failure to ensure uptake in minority communities. Denouncing white people that don’t take a jag as #Covidiots while presenting BAME commumities where uptake is low as victims.

438102 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1097 of 1350 🔗

They told me what I should already have known: theocrats would do anything to avoid legitimising the scientific worldview. Once they allow modernity in, once they accept that the works of men are superior to the commands of God, their control of the mind and body … would be at risk.

This isn’t just about control of a narrative, this is about control of, as he puts it, the scientific worldview. That’s why the fight is so brutal: let elderly people die alone, let the economy be destroyed and let society stunt the growth of childen rather than admit that science has actually got it wrong.

As I have said before, there is nothing so powerful as an idea. And I can now add that there is nothing so tragic as seeing those who are attached to their idea, clinging on with their bare hands to the hull of a sinking ship.

Science and its supporters and practitioners are wedded to the idea that germs cause disease: germs can therefore be killed or transmission hindered. Unfortunately (for them), covid is proving on a massive and public scale that poor health and old age cause disease and that the role of viruses and bacteria, though uncertain and poorly understood, is rarely causative.

Germ theory, one of the pillars of medical and scientific thought is crumbling under the weight of lived, shared, human experience: the theory simply isn’t reflecting the facts, so the “facts” are deliberately falsified. Nick Cohen is one of the poor souls left on the Titanic of current health policy.

438161 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1098 of 1350 🔗

My response: come and have a go if you think you are hard enough!

438199 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1099 of 1350 🔗

I got this far in the (badly punctuated) article and bailed out:

“We have been lucky that to date the public faces of the anti-vax and Covid-sceptic movements have been upper-middle-class white men. Laying into the likes of Piers Corbyn and Toby Young is a pleasure as much as a journalistic duty. The only prejudice you worry about fanning is a legitimate aversion to over-indulged cranks.”

438284 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve F, #1100 of 1350 🔗

So it’s ok to victimise middle-class white men, but wrong to victimise lower-class black persons.
What is the definition of racism nowadays?

438285 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1101 of 1350 🔗

Quite possibly the most disgusting article I’ve read during all this time.

To think they’ll stop at us? Cohen seems to think he’s immune from this evil because he’s bowed down.

438353 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1102 of 1350 🔗

It is a truly disgusting article on so many levels.

438070 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #1103 of 1350 🔗

Van Tam predecessor

438150 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1104 of 1350 🔗

Good find, Cheezy.

Cruelty runs in the family.

438083 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1106 of 1350 🔗

Keeping everything crossed!

438084 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #1107 of 1350 🔗

”It’s all over now baby blue”

I looked at the NHS/Gov dashboard today;

For my local authority area Torridge North Devon, it is showing;
6 ‘cases’ +ve test results which with a population of 68,000 gives a case rate of 8.8 per 100,000

For the UK as a whole it is showing;
731,410 tests conducted with 7434 +ve test results
i.e. 1.02% +ve test results from all the tests

With a population of 66.65 million it is showing 290 ‘covid’ deaths

Given dodgy sampling, testing and death recording, are any of these figures statistically significant?

The dashboard also shows that NHS England currently has 11,781 ‘covid’ patients this is a 65.7% reduction over the mid January total of 34366 .

Would I be correct in concluding from all this that;
‘ain’t nothing shaking but the leaves on the trees’ and that it is time to pack up the circus and all go home and get on with our lives?

438173 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1108 of 1350 🔗

Steve

Regarding the Torridge figures, this demonstrates how the Government, or whoever established the formula for ‘case rates’, has got it completely wrong and has done right from the beginning; lockdowns using ‘case rates’ as the determining factor have been based on fraudulent maths.

The only way in which 8.8 can be the ‘case rate’ per 100,000, based on 6 ‘cases’ in a population of 68,000, is if every one of those 68,000 had been tested. The problem is that using this formula week on week means that if more positives are found in the following week the ‘case rate’ automatically goes up as ‘positives’ are the only variable figure in the formula.

There are two optional calculations for correctly determining ‘case rates’ per 100k: (the number of positives divided by the total number of tests carried out) x 100,000; or alternatively (100,000 divided by the total tests) x the number of positives . The population of an area is irrelevant to the calculation. Using this formula, by way of example, if the number of positives increases by 50% in the second week, but the total number of tests carried out has doubled, the case rate has gone down. The government’s number crunching means that the second week would be regarded as in increase in the ‘case rate’, requiring more intense testing and possibly lockdown but based on incompetent calculations as in reality the ‘case rate’ has fallen. And so it would go on….

The Government says in black and white under the first interactive map on this linked website that they apply the incorrect formula. I wrote to my MP and to the Dept of Health last summer asking for an explanation but received no response from either.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

438085 yorkshire pudding, #1109 of 1350 🔗

Some thoughts on the ‘vaccine’ – don’t forget the value of waiting!
The jab is irreversible…but if you don’t have the jab now, you can choose to have a jab (of some sort) at any later date.
The ‘cost’ of waiting for say a year is at most the risk of death/serious injury from COVID in the next year less the risk of death/serious injury from the jab. At most – since there may be side effects from the jab that only become apparent after a year.
The benefits of waiting?

  • Hospital treatments are improving all the time so the risk of death/serious injury from COVID is falling all the time (compared to a year ago, dexamethasone alone is supposed to lead to a 40% reduction in death rates in hospital)
  • There are likely to be (arguably are already) proven early stage illness treatments
  • There are likely to be (arguably are already) proven things to do to reduce your risk of any infection (lose the excess pounds?)
  • There are very likely to be better jabs available – Pfizer and AZ are after all only first generation. Simple example – J+J (approved in US) required one jab only (= less risk of side effects one would think)
  • Over the next year, there will be more information on side effects to better assess the risks (though that doesn’t rule out things that become apparent in 2+ years)
  • You get to see whether the current jabs actually work over a new winter season
  • Even if you conclude the jabs are all total bollocks, waiting makes it clear the minimum you need to be able to travel/do anything else that’s prohibited and you really want to do (wouldn’t it be hilarious if EU didn’t accept AZ vaccine for over 65 tourists since they say it doesn’t work? Surely not impossible…)
  • …and so on

I certainly don’t dismiss the current jabs BUT I’m not clear that the benefits in the next year exceed the known risks of the jab + possible long-term risks PLUS (critically) benefits of waiting

My sense is that if you aren’t in a high-risk group (one year cost vs benefit less clear) then it is surely better to wait as long as possible before making an irreversible decision on the jab.

No need to be dogmatic now that you will or won’t have the jab – just wait! (In finance jargon, it’s a valuable real option

438086 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 20, #1110 of 1350 🔗

Wasn’t the moon amazing this evening? It looked so large and with that orange hue. Beautiful.

Good to consider something completely outwith LDs.

438091 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to kenadams, 8, #1111 of 1350 🔗

Commented earlier to OH ‘look at the moon, it’s gorgeous, the colour of buttermilk, totally inspiring.’ Truth and good will out in our world.

438093 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to kenadams, 5, #1112 of 1350 🔗

It was so beautiful. Mind you, it is said to bring out the lunatic tendencies in some, if that is even possible these days.

438096 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1113 of 1350 🔗

Even more possible, meant to say.

438098 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to kenadams, 5, #1114 of 1350 🔗

Pretty atmospheric yesterday evening as well if less colorful…

438116 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #1115 of 1350 🔗

Heading back tonight. No torch required.

438176 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1116 of 1350 🔗

Come a little closer why don’t you.?

438105 ▶▶ Janette, replying to kenadams, #1117 of 1350 🔗

Yes we noticed that too

438108 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kenadams, 4, #1118 of 1350 🔗

Watch out for werewolves. Wankok is one, for starters. He never looks human at the best of times.

438120 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Annie, 2, #1119 of 1350 🔗

He always looks like he’s got a stick up his arse too.

438125 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Annie, 3, #1120 of 1350 🔗

More of a wereweasel, or perhaps a werejackal, I think.

438145 ▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Mark, #1121 of 1350 🔗

To me, he looks like Humpty Dumpty. Just waiting for the fall.

438141 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to kenadams, 1, #1122 of 1350 🔗

Yes, very beautiful.

Was just coming on to comment on how terrific the moon looks tonight. Quite a few on here beat me to it.

438153 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1123 of 1350 🔗

It’s a Snow Moon tonight. Big, bright and beautiful.

438195 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kenadams, #1124 of 1350 🔗

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438203 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1125 of 1350 🔗

No, no! That’s Van Tam!

438087 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 10, #1126 of 1350 🔗

How can anyone believe lockdown works when it’s only worked in one country, China. I remember in 1989 when two scientists claimed they had created cold fusion in glass jar. When other scientists tried to create cold fusion they failed no matter how much they tried. To me lockdown is just an illusion it looks like it could work but fails because it’s bad science like cold fusion. Sometimes we so much want something to work that we follow illusions be it cold fusion or lockdown. But science is all about seeking truth and if you can’t repeat your experiment then something is wrong just like lockdown.

438088 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Derek Toyne, 9, #1127 of 1350 🔗

Still to see anybody drop dead in the street with covid like we witnessed in Wuhan. 9/10 for good acting those people.

438148 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Andrew K, 7, #1128 of 1350 🔗

The acting wasn’t that good. I saw someone do it much more convincingly in a recent Miss Marple episode.

438090 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Derek Toyne, 17, #1129 of 1350 🔗

90% of official Chinese covid dead in and around Wuhan.

Following alleged pandemic begin, two months travel of hundreds of thousands of people from Wuhan to the rest of China before restrictions were imposed in mid-January,

In those two months eveywhere in China would have been seeded with a virus…and yet.

In Shanghai 7 dead in a metropolis of 24 million.

In Wuhan lockdown lasted 4 weeks.

In other cities an average of two weeks.

It was all for show.

The Chinese called it off in March when they realized the whole nonsense had gone far enough.

438188 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to rockoman, 6, #1130 of 1350 🔗

What I can’t understand is why so many intelligent people are so gullible. When you make an obvious observation like face masks don’t really work or lockdown doesn’t seem to make much difference all they can say your a denier or conspiracy theorists. It’s as if they can’t back up they views with facts or reasoned arguments but resort to slagging you off or scaremongering. It may work for a time but eventually people will get sick of it because negativity doesn’t achieve anything. When that happens they will be a great reckoning,not just Boris and gang but media,unions and others that make up the establishment. It is coming!

438089 Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 35, #1131 of 1350 🔗

Lots of tut tutting and murmurings from my Mother’s neighbours this afternoon when, during the little chat we had, they discovered that: The friend I going to visit later was not in my ‘bubble’; I did not clap for the NHS; I don’t wear a muzzle, and neither will I be taking a jab; I hate the police now. The neighbour is an ex copper, and Freemason too, don’t ya know. How I smirked.

438095 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Nymeria, 11, #1132 of 1350 🔗

Good for you.

438136 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1133 of 1350 🔗

You ol’ Granny Killer, you. 😉

438142 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Ceriain, 3, #1134 of 1350 🔗

Guilty as charged, Ceriain 🙂

438208 ▶▶ gone_loopy, replying to Nymeria, #1135 of 1350 🔗

why have you got bubbles

438107 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to skybluesam, 8, #1137 of 1350 🔗

You mean like finding sars-cov-2 in sewage in Barcelona in March 2019.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1.full.pdf
Not sure why somebidy has thumb you down.

438110 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to skybluesam, 11, #1138 of 1350 🔗

Ivor Cummins mentioned in a video a couple of weeks back, that 14% of Italian blood samples from September 2019 showed signs – antibodies – that those from whom they had been taken had been exposed to Sars Cov2

438273 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to skybluesam, 1, #1139 of 1350 🔗

If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it isn’t right now, then it really had been over since May and it ain’t never coming back. What we have now is of our own making.

438109 TJN, replying to TJN, 26, #1140 of 1350 🔗

Just popped up onto the moor for a stroll under the full moon. The orb itself was pin sharp, like the stars to the south and west, in that atmospheric clarity reserved for winter nights. Walking alone by moonlight, in the absence of any artificial light, is a great way of clearing one’s thoughts.

As I set out I thought I’d be musing on retribution, of metaphorical heads on spikes.

Instead I found myself thinking how it might be possible to prevent so many people being so dumb-foundingly stupid. I don’t know any answers.

438115 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TJN, 11, #1141 of 1350 🔗

It’s quite the conundrum ain’t it? The Jab of Joy seems to have tipped even the slightly more sensible into lemming-like lunacy.

438146 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to TJN, 15, #1142 of 1350 🔗

It’s good out there tonight, TJN. I’m on the Cumbrian fells and the moon is full and bright. There are about half a dozen tawny owls making a racket in the trees around here but no other sound from anywhere, not even a breath of wind, and no light but that which falls from the heavens. It makes all this madness seem somehow insignificant but we are mortal and this life is all we’ve got so it is quite possible to feel awestruck by the ancient beauty above and around us and yet still muse “on retribution and metaphorical heads on spikes.” Physical heads on spikes would be even better.

438156 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve F, 11, #1143 of 1350 🔗

Curious lack of tawny owls here (SW Dartmoor) at the moment.

I have a theory: no one who’s used to walking alone at night under the stars would be fooled by the covid garbage.

And so to bed. To muse on retribution.

438189 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to TJN, 4, #1144 of 1350 🔗

I’m on the banks of the River Severn, facing west. I watched a glorious sunset tonight, and then the moon rose behind me. I’ll go outside again now and look at the stars. It’s a wonderful place to be, and does the soul good, and puts all this coercid tripe into perspective.

There are so many who are incarcerated and can’t enjoy these things. As you say, sometimes one can’t help but muse on retribution, even if it is unchristian.

438181 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to TJN, 5, #1145 of 1350 🔗

Thought followed thought, star followed star,
Through boundless regions….”

And still no answer. It’s too big, isn’t it?

438499 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Banjones, #1146 of 1350 🔗

Indeed. I also like being on the moor at night in a storm.

High waving heather ‘neath stormy blasts bending/midnight and moonlight and bright shining stars …

438277 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TJN, 1, #1147 of 1350 🔗

‘Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.’

438496 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, #1148 of 1350 🔗

Didn’t know that one! It sounded like Lear, but I didn’t recognise it. Schiller must have read Lear.

438114 danny, replying to danny, 52, #1149 of 1350 🔗

What to do when your parents in their early 70s and fit and healthy are too terrified to allow your 10 year old daughter (who they adore) in the house and will only countenance seeing her once a week in a park?
When that normally happy and contented daughter cries at bedtime and asks why they have rejected her?
Do I tell them and add to their guilt and agony?
Do I continue to watch my daughter suffer?
Please forgive the personal nature of this message, but she’s finally gone to bed and I am hitting the wine tonight, feeling totally trapped in a corner.

438123 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to danny, 44, #1150 of 1350 🔗

Tell them. They are old enough to cope with any feelings of guilt but your daughter is too young to understand their reasons for rejecting her. Tell them. Sooner rather than later.

438128 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to danny, 17, #1151 of 1350 🔗

They are simply not themselves at the moment. They have been inflicted with a phobia by their own Government. Telling them might help them start to come out of it by giving them a reason to fight back against their irrational fears.

438130 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to danny, 20, #1152 of 1350 🔗

Do I tell them and add to their guilt and agony?

Yes, tell them. for exactly the reasons Steve gives above. Brilliantly put, Steve.

438132 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to danny, 20, #1153 of 1350 🔗

Tell them. The time for niceities when dealing with the other side are over.

438135 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ewan Duffy, 17, #1154 of 1350 🔗

The time for niceties passed in March 2020.

438143 ▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to danny, 16, #1155 of 1350 🔗

Your parents ought to know better. However they are probably of the generation who firmly believe what comes out of that box in the corner of their sitting room. The MSM have an enormous amount of responsibility for this fear led narrative. It is their irresponsible reporting, complete lack of research and more importantly their inability to ask the really tough questions.
Not sure how old your daughter is but you could try to explain to her that her grandparents are probably very scared.
I would however talk to your parents and explain to them the effect this is having on you but more importantly on your daughter. They are adults and have been for some time and as you say are fit and healthy, so they need to know how this is translating into emotional turmoil for your daughter and put it right.
I have a similar problem with my outlaws, but it is nothing to do with the current situation, and has been ongoing for years. I have explained to my son in detail why the situation arose and he now fully understands and is very accepting and understanding.
Hope this helps.

438159 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to danny, 20, #1156 of 1350 🔗

Bob. Enough said.

438166 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1157 of 1350 🔗

Sincerely thanks to all of you for the help. I am still torn however and ultimately they do not for one second want to act this way.
Should they act differently? Of course.
But it is what it is and they are as much victims as my daughter, as living like this is eating them up.
My worry is that I say something and force a change, whilst knowing that I am effectively guilt tripping my own parents.
As I say though, I really do appreciate the help guys.

438178 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 4, #1158 of 1350 🔗

They have one another. So their victimhood isn’t a lonely place. I hope when your daughter is old enough to understand, they will explain to her why they hurt her like this.

438318 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1159 of 1350 🔗

LS reprinted that without the words recently to justify a vaccination will set you free storyline.

438160 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to danny, 20, #1160 of 1350 🔗

I’ve just had my wife tell me that her parents won’t see me if I’ve not had the jab (I’m keen to wait at least until the trials finish in 2023). Although they will be perfectly happy to see the kids as soon as the state decrees it’s allowed…

Can’t understand the level of stupidity that is out there.

438175 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to bucky99, 8, #1161 of 1350 🔗

I know what you mean. The fact that people who’ve so willingly ‘had it’ and yet are still afraid of others makes a mockery of it all.

438275 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to bucky99, 1, #1162 of 1350 🔗

Do you want to see your wife’s stupid relations?

438330 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to bucky99, 4, #1163 of 1350 🔗

I had the same from my inlaws.My wife told me this morning. My response was of course sensitive to the situation so I told her to quote me:Please,please fuck off and never talk to me again. My wife and my daughter can see them anytime they want ,but they are now dead to me.

438340 ▶▶▶▶ Jane G, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1164 of 1350 🔗

Gawdelpus – this will be the next epidemic, a bit like Brexit all over again, with families split.
I’m so sorry

438163 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to danny, 7, #1165 of 1350 🔗

Well I’m not a parent so I can’t pretend to say that I know how you feel.. only that must be heartbreaking to witness. Totally agree with the other comments – tell your parents, as soon as reasonably possible. Personally, though I haven’t known anybody in either family or friends’ circles, who has had covid-19; I have seen people’s lives change forever, either financially destroyed, or struggling with serious life-changing illness that could potentially have been so different. because for many people, regular checks, treatments, simply were not there even very early in 2020.
So to be a tiny bit blunt, frankly, who knows how much time they have left? who knows how much time anybody has left? is that what they want, to stand 6′ away in a park? Tell them.

438171 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 4, #1166 of 1350 🔗

They are obviously able enough to do their own research. If I am afraid of something I try to slay my dragons by trying to understand what it is I am afraid of. They should be self aware enough to do that. If they are suffering ”guilt and agony” then it is self-inflicted. There is enough information out there to slay their own dragons for the sake of their grandchild.

If they can’t understand what they are inflicting upon their grandchild by their own timidity …. well, I don’t know what you could say to them in a way they’d understand. It’s hard to think they could be so unimaginative when there are many ways out of the prison of their own making.

438180 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to danny, 2, #1167 of 1350 🔗

Yes tell them they are out of order and show them the evidence that the pandemic finished last May.

438185 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to danny, 13, #1168 of 1350 🔗

If your relationship with your parents is otherwise good, I would definitely tell them how your daughter is feeling.

They will have had their first jabs by now – hasn’t that changed their view of the risk your daughter poses to them? They must surely understand that they pose no risk to her.

I would also ask them to fast forward a bit

  • When will they feel comfortable having her in the house?
  • Are they happy that something like this is decided by the government?
  • Assuming this virus becomes ‘something we have to live with’ like other viruses – are they really prepared to cut themselves off from her permanently?

If they say ‘when the government tells us it’s safe’ remind them of ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’ and all the other broken promises over the past 12 months.

I would also explain to your daughter – she’s fairly wordly-wise at 10 – just why her grandparents feel scared, why she should feel sympathy for them and most importantly why it’s not her fault. This stigmatising of chidren as potential lethal weapons is one of the most terrifying aspects of this past year.

I fear what’s really driving your parents may be the social stigma of not wanting to break the rules – I am 70 and have been a model citizen (I reckon) all my life, but this pandemic has brought out a surprisingly rebellious streak! Most of my cohort are massive rule-takers, I fear.

438204 ▶▶▶ norfolksceptic, replying to BTLnewbie, 4, #1169 of 1350 🔗

I think you are right – my parents are in mid 70s had argument with them over not seeing their grand daughter over half term. They have been terrified by the bbc and MSM, won’t engage with any content I send them. But their big thing is all our friends are sticking by the “rules” so we think we should too. They live in bourgeois suburbs – I honestly could tell them to fuck off completely – it’s getting very close depending on what happens in the Easter holidays…they have had their jabs – don’t really have the heart to explain essentially they have shortened their remaking time in all probability so caring about what neighbours think is really irrelevant at this point. It’s brutal and horrible for all of us going through it.

438207 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #1170 of 1350 🔗

Thank you. Great to get the opinion of somebody their age.

438186 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to danny, 6, #1171 of 1350 🔗

No apology necessary, this is personal to each and every one of us. I have no words viz your situation as I have experienced the same situation from one side and complete opposite (my mum 82) from the other side who believes in the love of family above all else. Best advice is that you find any and every way to compensate the gap until ‘the change’ when your parents feel safe to see you and your daughter again. (Having just typed those word I wouldn’t blame you if you told them to f*ck off forever’)

438192 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to danny, 4, #1172 of 1350 🔗

We have to live with these people (mums, dads, in-laws, friends) but it’s really difficult to forgive that they value their fear of a common cold above basic family and human love and physical contact. Unforgivable really but knowing how reasonable and forgiving our community is I have no doubt we’ll forgive them.

438193 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to danny, 4, #1173 of 1350 🔗

My ten year-old granddaughter would be able to understand why they are so scared if it were explained. Your daughter needs to understand who is to blame here.
The film Monsters Inc is a good expose of brainwashing.
I’d say your parents ought to know the hurt they are causing too – and that deliberate government policy, not a flu bug, is to blame.

438213 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1174 of 1350 🔗

Thing is, I have dug a hole since day one raising her to believe this is all bullshit, which I will never apologise for.
The problem of course however is that whilst she will readily agree that the masked idiot in Tesco is a lunatic, I don’t ever want the same for the people she loves. Neither do I want to knock them off the pedestal by telling her they are scared.
I think what I resent the most is having these dilemmas at all, forced on us by lockdown. It has invaded our lives and the innocent bubbles of our kids so profoundly, and all we can do is watch.

438227 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 4, #1175 of 1350 🔗

Then perhaps THEY should tell her themselves.

438233 ▶▶▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to danny, 1, #1176 of 1350 🔗

Sometimes I think we do a disservice to our children by thinking that they are incapable of rational thought. Yes sometimes they say and do daft things but weren’t we all children once.
You don’t have to knock her grandparents off their pedestal, but she may just respond well to a relatively grown up conversation. We can all get scared at any time of our lives. Generally all it takes is for the adults to behave like adults.
If my son ever has children I would not dream of inflicting my probably irrational fears on them. These are exceptional times which will live long in the memory, so as adults we must do everything we can to ensure we give our children the tools to ensure this never happens again. Especially the totally irrational and hideous mental torture we have placed on our trainee adults.

438339 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to danny, 2, #1177 of 1350 🔗

Look,its very easy.Your daughter is a child in the prime of her life and deserves to be loved and cherished. If they are unable to do that ,they are not worthy to even see her in the park.No ifs,no buts,no excuses. Don’t care ,they should know better and if they don’t,their loss.You either tell you daughter her grandparents are scared shirtless and are behaving accordingly or just tell her that they see her as a germ filled bag and traumatise her for life.Choice is clear here.

438206 ▶▶ gone_loopy, replying to danny, 1, #1178 of 1350 🔗

Tell your parents to act like fucking humans

438271 ▶▶ Annie, replying to danny, 4, #1179 of 1350 🔗

Tell the poor girl the truth. Explain that we are living under an evil regime that has poisoned her grandparents’ minds. Underneath, they still love her, and when the evil regime is removed, there will be no more brain poison and her grandparents will come round, in both senses of that phrase.

438286 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to danny, 2, #1180 of 1350 🔗

Tell your parents they will never ever see your daughter again, unless they see her in the house.

438523 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrew K, #1181 of 1350 🔗

yeh, I wouldn’t pussyfoot around with stupid visits to the park either. let them make their mind up where they stand. anything else is not fair to the child.

438121 Tattersall, replying to Tattersall, 13, #1182 of 1350 🔗

I understand now why those chaps beat that Owen Jones up.

438127 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Tattersall, 4, #1183 of 1350 🔗

I can see it: “Stop hitting me in order that I can stun you intellectually with my rational arguments!”

438253 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1184 of 1350 🔗

The words Owen Jones & rational arguments! Don’t belong in the same narrative. The other day I saw a headline, “ conservatives are cancelling the left ” by Owen Jones!

438316 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Anti_socialist, #1185 of 1350 🔗

The words Owen Jones & rational arguments! Don’t belong in the same narrative.

I know that, you know that, but Little Owen…

Meanwhile… “It’s the bloody Tories”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G98MYKd6sUc

438157 The Covid Kid, replying to The Covid Kid, 14, #1186 of 1350 🔗

Evening moon gazers! 😜

438162 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #1187 of 1350 🔗

Preferably dead!

438177 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to The Covid Kid, 4, #1188 of 1350 🔗

In other words, the perfect “leader” for the transformation of the UK into a police state.

438258 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to The Covid Kid, #1189 of 1350 🔗

I thought it had some Turkish in him.

438200 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1191 of 1350 🔗

Bloody disgraceful.

438168 bucky99, 7, #1192 of 1350 🔗

Great to be out in the sun in a mates garden having a few beers this afternoon… although can’t get my head around why they all then felt it necessary to leave and watch the rugby in our own homes over zoom?

Properly daft.

But at the least, it shows that even the dopey sheeple are going to ignore the police state’s edicts as soon as it’s a bit warmer

438174 Cheezilla, 14, #1193 of 1350 🔗

Those of you who have been following Vanessa Beeley’s reports about Syria might want to take action as requested below.
Those who don’t know about her might like to stand up to the BBC below an find out more about Vanessa’s work on UK Column.

ACTION REQUIRED
BBC Puts Vanessa Beeley’s Life At Risk As many of you know, Vanessa Beeley lives and reports from Damascus in Syria. She has been a tireless thorn in the side of the UK government, the BBC and Channel 4 News in particular, as she has challenged their narratives on Syria in particular, and the Middle East in general.

The recent BBC hit piece on Radio 4, called Mayday, was a tissue of lies based on “evidence” provided by a “researcher” who has worked with the specific individuals who beheaded the twelve-year-old Mohammad Issa in 2012. We will have more to say on this on Monday’s UK Column News.

Today, the BBC crossed the line on journalistic ethics, in a follow up article to that Radio 4 hit-piece. Not only did they make a further personal attack on Vanessa, but they decided to publish a photograph of her car, with the number plate clearly visible.

We would like to call on everyone reading this email to lodge a complaint with Ofcom. You can do so here:

https://ofcomforms.secure.force.com/formentry/SitesFormBBCIntroductory?complaintType=SitesFormBBCOnlineMaterial

Ofcom does not normally deal with written material on the BBC website unless and until the BBC’s complaints process has been completed. We believe the circumstances are exceptional here, because it appears the BBC has intentionally provided information in such a way as to put someone’s life in danger – there was no clear editorial reason for including the image.

When you click on the link above, there is an option to select “No, because I have exceptional circumstances”, so that is the option you should choose.

438182 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 11, #1194 of 1350 🔗

Anyone having discussions with family and friends about whether to participate in the gene therapy trial, here is where you can find the lastest reports on the adverse reactions..

Up to the 14th Feb, 180,000 reports and 400 deaths reported.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#annex-1-vaccine-analysis-print

438196 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #1195 of 1350 🔗

Thanks for that collation.

Intrigued by this Pfizer vaccine injury:-
Chest crushing 1 0

WTF? Did a couple of obese vaccine hesitancy nurses sit on the victim when they looked a bit twitchy?

438197 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #1196 of 1350 🔗

Don’t forget to compare and contrast with flu vaccine which has 215 deaths recorded against it since 1963.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/607122/response/1452561/attach/8/Inactivated%20Influenza%20DAP.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

438211 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #1197 of 1350 🔗

Pfizer up 24 deaths from last report date: 7/2/2021 – 173 > 14/2/2021 – Current total: 197

AZ up 55 deaths from last report date: 7/2/2021 – 150 > 14/2/2021 – Current total: 205

438184 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #1198 of 1350 🔗

Spectator article The way ‘covid deaths’ are being reported is a national scandal , narrated by triggernometry

438202 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1199 of 1350 🔗

It has been a scandal since the beginning. We are running out of time to turn this around, and outlets like Triggernometry need to realise just how late in the game we are.

438210 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richard O, 4, #1200 of 1350 🔗

It’s impossible to prove, most “covid victims” are worm food or ashes, it’s just another beautiful aspect of the fraud.

I recall early on reading a Dr claiming the only real conclusive way to diagnose covid was a lung xray.

438212 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1201 of 1350 🔗

I’ve been trying to find this very powerful piece for ages. Note that the author highlighted the disturbing changes in death certification procedures and called for urgent autopsies on all those with Covid given as the reason for death. Glad that this YouTube channel is dredging it back up out of the memory hole.

438266 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1202 of 1350 🔗

They nailed it.

438187 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1203 of 1350 🔗

A lot of people have commented on the full moon – which was actually first thing this morning (27th)

Here’s a lot of info about it. It’s a very special time!

The light and dark aspects of both Aquarius and Satabhishk and the relationship to the full Moon are in evidence as both the Sun and Venus are in Aquarius ruled by Saturn and Rahu and Satabhishak is ruled by Rahu and Purva Phalghuni by Venus so there is an exchange of energies between them which gives a potency to all that is playing out. This is also a reminder to see that when major challenges like health issues are transcended then true realisation comes. So in truth there is no light or dark or right and wrong, simply opportunities from which to evolve and grow and find new ways of being. It is to be hoped that this may be realised more in the world at this time, as Aquarius is the sign that represents global change.

https://oraclelife.co.uk/2021/02/26/the-full-moon-today/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new-blog-post

438190 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1204 of 1350 🔗

I’m sorry, I’m not attacking the messenger, but the article is drivel & best ignored 😉

438214 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1205 of 1350 🔗

we’re all one with the cosmos man

438217 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, 2, #1206 of 1350 🔗

As a contrarian, I’m actively opposed to solidarity.

438194 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 10, #1209 of 1350 🔗

Article at Church Militant suggests the Pope’s new personal physician does not go along with the “official” Covid narrative, stating that “Wuhan virus–related deaths are “almost always” among the elderly suffering from at least three pre-existing conditions” and being “against the policy of locking down the elderly, insisting that “staying at home is harmful, as is the virus.””
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/popes-new-doctor-debunks-covid-alarmism

The Pope meanwhile seems to think lockdowns a good idea…

438240 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lowe, 1, #1210 of 1350 🔗

Wow. The things you learn on this site.

438265 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lowe, 9, #1211 of 1350 🔗

The bishop of Rome says God wants everybody muzzled.
The bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm of England.
The bishop of Rome can try to muzzle God if he likes, but it won’t work.
The bishop of Rome can eff off.

438293 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Lowe, 3, #1212 of 1350 🔗

The anti-pope is a full up Bolshevik.

438201 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 13, #1213 of 1350 🔗

The power of propaganda is all over the DM, the in fighting about who should get the vaccine, what age group and when, people have lost their minds.

438215 ▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to DanClarke, 10, #1214 of 1350 🔗

Frankly I don’t give a toss who gets the vaccine or when. Let them fight out amongst themselves. I will just sit back and watch the fun.

438242 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 3, #1215 of 1350 🔗

Yep, sums it up for me.

438272 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Custerhaditcoming, 2, #1216 of 1350 🔗

It’s like “Who shot JR?” in Dallas or goings-on in East Enders – lots of people getting excited about something which is of little interest to me.

438220 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1217 of 1350 🔗

We should set up a sceptic’s vaccine charity donating our doses to good causes, Chairwomxn Nic Sturg-Un deserves mine.

438234 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1218 of 1350 🔗

So many to choose from. I think Wancock for mine….straight into his eyes.

438238 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nymeria, 6, #1219 of 1350 🔗

Give him 666 doses

438239 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1220 of 1350 🔗

Stop feeding my fantasies!

438229 ▶▶ houdini, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1221 of 1350 🔗

Loss of reason is a known symptom of severe vaccinitus.

438209 vargas99, 11, #1222 of 1350 🔗

Hancock seems to be avoiding the limelight at the moment. Is it because he thinks we’ll forget his megalomania and corruption if we don’t see him on the telly? Not a fucking chance pal!

438219 jonathan Palmer, replying to jonathan Palmer, 33, #1223 of 1350 🔗

Peter Hitchens admits to having the ‘vaccine’ in his column.He does it grudgingly because he feels he won’t be allowed to travel abroad to see family without it.
To see so many people willingly accept this is very disheartening.

438228 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to jonathan Palmer, 14, #1224 of 1350 🔗

Disappointing. He will soon find out that he has been conned. The era of civilian international travel is over, but the era of multiple mandatory vaccinations every year is just beginning, in part thanks to his acquiescence.

438232 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard O, 10, #1225 of 1350 🔗

It seems his MSM media career is more important than the freedom he so eloquently writes about.

438471 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1226 of 1350 🔗

yes, Hitchens has fallen.

438230 ▶▶ merlin, replying to jonathan Palmer, 17, #1227 of 1350 🔗

His surrender to the gene therapy make his last 12 months of resistance a pathetic waste of time as it was always about the experimental vaxseen.

438237 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to merlin, 18, #1228 of 1350 🔗

Agreed, it’s an epic fail on his part. His position is now terminally compromised because as you say the reason for all the restrictions was to create the conditions for a mass vaccination rollout.

Once again, we are on our own here folks. No one in the public arena can be trusted.

438243 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Richard O, 12, #1229 of 1350 🔗

Yes we are definitely on our own . I have felt that public consciousness has been shifting towards us but apart from this forum I feel surrounded by brainwashed and/or braindead morons.

438246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to merlin, 13, #1230 of 1350 🔗

I have never felt at any stage that the public consciousness was anything other than hurtling into the abyss of a global technocratic slave state from which there will be no escape, and I have seen nothing since March 2020 to dissuade me from this position.

438280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 3, #1231 of 1350 🔗

There is no doubt that WEF are promoting a new serfdom. We’ve all seen the video. We (emphasis on we – doesn’t include Gates or Zuckerberg or Schwab for that matter) won’t own anything. That is serfdom.

438247 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to merlin, 5, #1232 of 1350 🔗

We are surrounded by them, Merlin. I’m starting to fear for my own sanity.

438263 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to merlin, 6, #1233 of 1350 🔗

We don’t really have a single leader in the public sphere who is a strong voice against lockdowns, mandatory masking, intrusive testing and vaccine dogma.

Well I can’t think of one.

438269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 9, #1234 of 1350 🔗

This is precisely the point. I find it astonishing that someone as intelligent as Hitchens (and others such as Fox) cannot see all of the above are inextricably linked. It looks to me like they have succumbed to the fanatical Vaccine Macht Frei propaganda, which renders all of their previous work null and void.

438278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 2, #1235 of 1350 🔗

Yep, even Tobes which is rather ironic given all the abuse he gets from the holier than thou PC crowd.

438287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard O, 8, #1236 of 1350 🔗

There was a reason why Piers Corbyn was arrested for distributing that leaflet.
It was too truthful.
The vaccine is not the key to freedom it is the gateway drug to totalitarianism.

438364 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, 4, #1237 of 1350 🔗

Actually I don’t think James Delingpole hasn’t caved on anything…yet – but he’s not really leader material.

438262 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to merlin, 3, #1238 of 1350 🔗

I agree. Where are his family? Can’t he pay for them to come see him?

438283 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to merlin, 2, #1239 of 1350 🔗

That’s disappointing

438231 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #1240 of 1350 🔗

I would be ok with that if he was doing it for some kind of risk reason. Even then I’d have words. But for travel? That doesn’t make sense. Will he still be against mandated vaccine passports then? Confusing. I mean he could have waited. Looks like these passports are going to happen within weeks.

438241 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1241 of 1350 🔗

He has surrendered.He has claimed throughout that this is all done to incompetence when it has always been about the vaccine passport.The first step in the coming totalitarian state.Tied to digital currency it is the end of freedom.

438235 ▶▶ Tattersall, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #1242 of 1350 🔗

This is a betrayal.

438362 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Tattersall, 1, #1243 of 1350 🔗

Now he’s justifying his U-turn using some weird YouGov stats https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1365817458800607232?s=20

438369 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mic67, 2, #1244 of 1350 🔗

He’s about as useless as the “useless Tories” he’s always complaining about.

438377 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Mic67, 4, #1245 of 1350 🔗

I remember very clearly,him saying many times opinion polls are a means of influencing public opinion,not measuring it.
Good to see him getting a battering on Twitter from people who would normally support him.
His rationale is terrible.Basicslly I’ve tried,I’ve failed so I’m going to submit now rather than later.
He’s like a teenager being sent to his room kicking the door as he sulks away.Biggest disappointment so far for me.

438245 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #1246 of 1350 🔗

I think this covid passprt think is a sage psych ops ploy, can’t see how they will get this in, just about breaks every law going.

438256 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Andrew K, 9, #1247 of 1350 🔗

After the last year where we have been governed by decree,how can you still believe in the rule of law.
This is not a psy op this is something that has been planned for years.

438473 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrew K, #1248 of 1350 🔗

laws are made by people, they can be changed by people. they’re only as good as the commitment of the people behind them to the values they express

438252 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to jonathan Palmer, 16, #1249 of 1350 🔗

I’ve said it before, but those us who are under no pressure to comply with the “vaccine” should hold out in order to make it easier for others to say no and to make it increasingly difficult for the government to treat us as second-class citizens. There is power in numbers. It is very disheartening that Peter Hitchens, who should know better, capitulated so quickly. And for what? The false promise of travel? This exemplifies the schism between lockdown sceptics who believe this is all due to incompetence and those of us who have always known there is an agenda. The former believe the magical “vaccine” is our ticket to normalcy while the latter know it’s the road to medical fascism.

438264 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 13, #1250 of 1350 🔗

This is where Peter departs from principle and integrity. Vac pass for travel is immoral. He of all people should, would and do know that. His capitulation does indeed not reflect well on him but still does not diminish the principle and truth that we stand by. Lockdowns are immoral, untested gene therapy coerced on the general public are immoral and health/vaccine passports are immoral. They are immutable truths. Our position is unchanged.

438268 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 16, #1251 of 1350 🔗

His reason given is very strange.Vaccine passports are not a reality yet.If travelling abroad is such a big thing then he could easily had a jab when he had no choice,but to do this and then to write a column about it.Defeatism and he is forever compromised now.

438281 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #1252 of 1350 🔗

Totally agree.

438305 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1253 of 1350 🔗

It seems that when it came to the offer, for him to say no to the vaccine would lay it all on the line. He would have his weekly Talk Radio slot under pressure to be cancelled. He couldn’t write an article defending the decision.

He wasn’t mentally prepared for it. I hope he still ha s the strength to oppose mandates and passports, but I can’t respect his decision right now. I do understand it probably wasn’t a very easy one

438363 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1254 of 1350 🔗

All he had to say is ‘it’s a private matter and should remain a private matter, thus excluding any form of health/vaccine passport/certificate’.

438365 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1255 of 1350 🔗

Choosing not to take that line he knows what he’s done thus joining Littlejohn in the ‘Bargain Basement Complete Sellout’ section.

438367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1256 of 1350 🔗

It’s disheartening. Too many seem to be losing their bollocks and surrendering now.

438382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1257 of 1350 🔗

Little John was on another level.Actively calling for vaccine passports to visit the pub.I posted a comment under that article about littlejohn finally loving big brother and that was censored.

438260 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #1258 of 1350 🔗

Traitor.

438295 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1259 of 1350 🔗

Many have commented before that Hitchens is controlled opposition , after this news I think that is now pretty obvious he is very much part of the establishment he supposedly rails against . Also remember his late brother , went from full on Trotskyite socialist to Neo Con shill demanding the US bomb impoverished brown people in the middle east .

438313 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Christopher, 5, #1260 of 1350 🔗

I do know that the BBC are quite keen on Hitchens because he exudes a kind of fusty fifties CS Lewis gaberdine mac and Common Prayer Book aura about him that the BBC think, probably rightly, will turn off young people. They have never allowed any of the combative younger conservative commentators such as Paul Jospeh Watson from the internet any extended air time (even though Far Leftist internet dwellers have been given loads of access). So in that sense I would agree Hitchens is “controlled opposition”.

438334 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to OKUK, 4, #1261 of 1350 🔗

He says it himself , that the BBC only have him on question time so woke twats like like Owen Jones ( Also very much part of the establishment ) can howl derision at him over gay marriage for example thus making anyone of conservative values look old and very much out of touch . As you say they would never dare have anyone from the new younger right wing commentators as they possibly shake things up a bit and maybe stir things in the minds of younger people who are fed up seeing the land of their ancestors turn to shit . Hitchens never has an solutions , it’s just doom laden black pills . Deliberately demoralising .

438327 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Christopher, 1, #1262 of 1350 🔗

I had a couple of comments censored on his blog.One because I said he should call this for what it is,a coup and the other when I accused him of being a gatekeeper.

438346 ▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1263 of 1350 🔗

A gate keeper of some sort for sure , and I say this as someone who was once quite fond of him . All that write to your MP crap when he must be privy to all sorts of info in knowing just how corrupt the system really is and who really calls the shots . He’s now there to steer his readers into the desired outcome of vax compliance .

438310 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1264 of 1350 🔗

And ‘they’ win. 🙁

438325 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1265 of 1350 🔗

Hitchens claims to have “tried to fight against it, but lost”. Didn’t try hard enough, did you Peter?

438348 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1266 of 1350 🔗

He’s denying it but I reckon he’s been nudged by the Mail. Timing fits with Madge and the Listen to your Nan shit.

438359 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Mic67, 2, #1267 of 1350 🔗

Very likely

438244 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #1268 of 1350 🔗

Just read about a pensioner who received the vaccine 2 days after he apparently recovered from acute covid. The GP said it was ok. The family should report him to the GMC. The guidelines clearly state NOT to vaccinate within 3 months of a c illness. Unbelievable!

438294 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, 3, #1269 of 1350 🔗

People have given this zero thought. It’s pure politics

438270 Anti_socialist, 8, #1270 of 1350 🔗

James and Laura’s Chinwag #14 Two of the best anti-covid sceptics.

438274 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #1271 of 1350 🔗

I see BBC is running a kind of propaganda snapshot that has multiple images shown very briefly – almost subliminal. There’s a voiceover by someone who may be the American drag artist, Ru Paul…not an expert in that field, I’m happy to say – but it is a succession of statements similar to greeting card moralising and the stuff you get in self improvement books. The overall message is that individuals who are being oppressed can triumph. Professional liar Greta Thunberg features. There may be a bit of BLM protest. There’s certainly Mao – yes, Mao the mass murderer and keen Stalinist. It’s kind of like a WEF film sped up.

I have been watching too closely – it was mass murderer Mao who caught my eye.

Anyone else seen it?

438299 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 3, #1272 of 1350 🔗

Mao Zedong –

“ruled an autocratic and totalitarian regime responsible for mass repression, as well as destruction of religious and cultural artifacts and sites. It was additionally responsible for vast numbers of deaths with estimates ranging from 40 to 80 million victims through starvation, persecution, prison labour and mass executions.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong

438403 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, #1273 of 1350 🔗

Of course.

Mao is their greatest hero!

438288 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 20, #1274 of 1350 🔗

After the Queen made her pronouncement the other night, I predicted: https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/25/latest-news-296/#comment-435115

That’s the oldie waverers sorted.

Next it will be Will the Woke and his wife to rein in the young woke kiddies.

And tonight on the Beeb: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56224314

Covid-19: Prince William and Kate urge people to get vaccine

I win the Internet! 😉

438291 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1275 of 1350 🔗

And next? Live tonight, George gets the vax?

438328 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1276 of 1350 🔗

Probably; unless that shy couple from LA get their kid done first. I can imagine them selling the poor little sod’s arm to whover bids the highest.

438297 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ceriain, 7, #1277 of 1350 🔗

I can’t wait for this stupid phase to be over, and for meatier headlines such as this:

Government announces completion of national network of quarantine facilities for unvaccinated: Army units to begin round ups within days.

438300 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Richard O, 4, #1278 of 1350 🔗

What will you do, Richard, if they come knocking at your door?

438304 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nymeria, 7, #1279 of 1350 🔗

Take as many of them with me as I can.

438309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Richard O, 6, #1280 of 1350 🔗

Good man. As will I.

438360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nymeria, 5, #1281 of 1350 🔗

Same here.

438361 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1282 of 1350 🔗

I almost can’t wait, and I think it will be something of a relief, if and when that time comes. I’m like a caged animal, just waiting to get my claws into them.

438311 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Richard O, 4, #1283 of 1350 🔗

In the absence of a suitable weapon to hand, I’m reliably informed that a can of hairspray works equally as well as mace.

438376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1284 of 1350 🔗

Add a lighter you’ve got a flame thrower. Be warned though it can be just as dangerous as a flame thrower to the person standing behind it . 😉

438387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1285 of 1350 🔗

I’ll stick with my Uzi then 🙂

438394 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1286 of 1350 🔗

Inside 7 yards/21 feet a blade beats a firearm every time.

438396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1287 of 1350 🔗

I’ll bear that in mind too when I’m compiling my arsenal of weapons 🙂

438402 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Nymeria, #1288 of 1350 🔗

One of many vids proving a blade is better than a gun under 21 feet:

https://youtu.be/js0haocH4-o

438468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Nymeria, #1289 of 1350 🔗

thanks for the tip.

438303 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1290 of 1350 🔗

I’m just waiting for Jim Jones to encourage people.It feels like the Jonestown massacre on a global scale.

438308 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1291 of 1350 🔗

I thought Hitchens was more a pint of beer but it seems he loves the Kool Aid.

438358 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1292 of 1350 🔗

I’ve had the exact same thought.

Planet Jonestown.

438307 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1293 of 1350 🔗

Yep, Hitchens fell into line pronto once Liz spoke on the subject…no pun intended.

438331 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1294 of 1350 🔗

Here’s the thing, the truth doesn’t change whoever chooses to front the lie. You can’t tell me the long term (5-10 years) out-look of a treatment that’s currently only 10 months into trial. All the patronising and ignorant pronouncements of arrogant, thick ‘influencers’ won’t change that.

438289 Anti_socialist, 4, #1295 of 1350 🔗

Australia’s, David Icke They Can Only Push You As Far As You Let Them Max Igan – The Crowhouse , but don’t be to put off, he does sometimes provide good references to data.

438296 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1297 of 1350 🔗

Some excellent responses on there

438301 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 15, #1298 of 1350 🔗

Re Hitchens, vaccine passports and so on…

The globalists are deliberately encouraging bogus Venn diagram overlapping in our minds. We are familiar with the word “passport”, as a requirement for international travel, and we are familiar with the idea that some countries insist on proof of vaccination for various diseases before you will be allowed in.

But we are not really talking about “passports” in the future. We are talking about Social Control Permits . You won’t be permitted to engage in a wide range of social activities or access necessary services e.g. education for children unless you can demonstrate you have a Social Control Permit and vaccination, in the first instance, will be the means by which you obtain a permit. However, the qualifications for Social Control Permits can easily be extended e.g. criminal records, health status, banning from Facebook or other Big Tech sites, might determine what you can do. Social Control Permits might be required to get access to the Internet. Logically participation in elections might be a next step: only those with unblemished Social Control Permits might be allowed to participate. You might have to have attended unconscious bias training or watched certain videos online before you are allowed to obtain your voting approval.

438315 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to OKUK, 7, #1299 of 1350 🔗

I share your fears. But I note even amongst my own ‘believers’ the health/vaccine passport premise is not acceptable. With any luck the sheep will see us out of this too. (PH = total sellout. He must know that the concept of vaccine passports for the common cold is immoral….oh Peter….no words….you will be banished)

438342 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andrea Salford, 6, #1300 of 1350 🔗

The best thing is that ethnic minorities – particularly those in a religious community which is the subject of much PC genuflection – have been noticeably reluctant to vaccinate. This may be the best defence, as the PC crowd will face huge protests if they say prevent people going on piligrimage to some key places or say you can’t stay in x hotel or attend Glastonbury.

If I had to lay money on it I would say they won’t be able to enforce Social Control Permits this time round. Of course this isn’t the end of the story.

438366 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 4, #1301 of 1350 🔗

I never thought of that.No more hajj to Mecca or trips to the sub continent to see relatives.Although they may just turn a blind eye as they normally do when dealing with certain diverse communities.

438317 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 3, #1302 of 1350 🔗

The Chinese social credit score is the aim.

438321 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1303 of 1350 🔗

Yes, something like that.

438357 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1304 of 1350 🔗

UK Column had a great breakdown on a policy wonk the WEF pays six figures a year to write policy papers stating, “LOL the West should be just like China.”

I am sure that particular individual is one of many.

438329 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 7, #1305 of 1350 🔗

There is only one agenda CONTROL. The other day I linked to a Blair article claiming vaccine passports are about making people feel safe. The irony that ever since Tony Blair became PM we’ve been terrorized by our own government to keep us SAFE! & so they can implement Draconian legislation to control us, the worst thing about this is how many people literally beg for more.

Fear, gives control to an abuser or bully.

I heard someone say the other day say “ I just want a government that doesn’t keep threatening me ” (think it was Laura Perrin’s).

438337 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1306 of 1350 🔗

It was in her latest chat with Delingpole.Im beginning to really like him.He is one of the last thinking investigative journalists left in this country.

438354 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #1307 of 1350 🔗

James and Laura are excellent……especially James 🥰 his views are 100% us (well me anyway 😀 ).

438372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andrea Salford, 4, #1308 of 1350 🔗

Sorry to say this on LS, but I’m on Team James vs. Team Toby. I went down the rabbit hole before James, but he’s a welcome voice and I look forward to James and Laura — it would be like me and my OH if he was willing to talk about it with me. He’s a total sceptic but doesn’t relish complaining and being indignant about it all like I do. I don’t really have anyone I can commiserate with, so I live vicariously through James and Laura.

438379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1309 of 1350 🔗

Yes I totally get that. OH wants quiet life and definitely would vote to end this shit but no interest whatsoever in discussing the issue, which for me is all there is to do until we ‘win’. It’s the core of what needs to be explored so it never happens again. Isn’t it strange what makes you understand yourself better and question everything/one you thought you understood.

438373 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to OKUK, 1, #1310 of 1350 🔗

Excellent point.

DavidC

438319 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1311 of 1350 🔗

Am I alone in finding today’s GDB contribution a bit lurching and full of disjointed thinking? I usually enjoy his stuff, but he’s gone off form for me.

I know he wrote the polio vaccine book back in the day, etc, etc, but surely that hasn’t clouded his judgement to such an extent that’s seriously thinks there’s a parallel between Polio and SARS-Cov-2? And if there is, surely it’s that vaccination seems to be stimulating a rebound in infection a la Polio, although the mechanism are possibly different as the Polio drops contained live virus.

Surely as an historian, he’s been looking at his sources and examining the chances of the main players being (a.) honest, (b.) altruistic, and (c.) safe and concluded that this is the time to wait, not rush into a vaccine simply because he’s old enough to remember Polio as a “thing” in the Western World, (whereas now it’s just a vaccine-derived illness in Africa, circulated thanks to the Sterling with of the WHO and “My darling cousin, Bill” (as I like to think of him now – RIP John Le Carre)).

Perhaps he’s not as acquainted with the mechanism by which those vaccinated with acellular pertussis are now permanently MORE susceptible to developing pertussis, as those of us with a resting scepticism about vaccination. But SURELY to God he can’t believe that the clown car hooter that bought us Brexit and showed such epic levels of dishonesty in every aspect of this charade, was going to oversee a vaccine passport-waving glory exit from this insanity?

438320 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 8, #1312 of 1350 🔗

Did he think that if he just threw himself on the pyre along with the rest of his generation that the gate would spring open? Did he read the reports on the vaccine or look at what defined success. Was lockdown scepticism the limit of this purview?

To be clear, efficacity in this vaccine is measured by its effect on reducing severity of symptoms. It was not measured for its capacity to reduce development of illness. In fact it is pretty much now understood and multiply documented that the vaccine does nothing more than suppress symptoms. Hence the slavish masks and hand washing. It was not measured for its ability to reduce onward transmission. Only it’s ability to stop the old dears fetching up in hospital, gumming up the works and shining a unwelcome light on the dark work of QALYS. In this it has been of limited use. It has merely been a distraction from the epic levels of data harvesting and AI analytics on how to manipulate people globally, for future weaponisation as a tool of warfare.

The only way in which to wage war any longer is not even biologically, it’s to get people to attack each other within their own countries, communities and economic solidarity blocs. Making use of the greed and messianism of certain malignant but wealthy individuals (AKA Perfect scapegoats), along the way, to hasten the end.

So getting a vaccine isn’t going to work, and a vaccine passport is useless, which is why it’s being done on the same platform as yet another useless piece of technology rolled out to pacify and distract. It isn’t the same as a driving licence for reasons too obvious to state. It is only the same as Polio in so far as it is triggering more infections.

438323 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1313 of 1350 🔗

In my opinion, this year is going to be lonely and cut off, with a brief respite over Summer, which will come at the price of the future health and fertility of a currently unquantifiable number of vaccinees. (Hopefully the end of phase 3 human trial, mass vaccination will yield those results).

And if pre-travel testing continues, many numpties who book a holiday following their vaccine, waving their vaccine passport will discover that they are testing positive just before they travel. They will then be unable to leave. If they make it out, they will contract an asymptomatic infection from one of the many circulating “mutations” abroad which will colonise their upper respiratory tracts and keep them quarantined until they test negative, in their host country, at considerable, (uninsurable), cost, no doubt.

So how about a spot of ye olde source question work.. Using historical evidence and perspective to assess the reliability of the current evidence?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-september-2020-polio-sudan/en/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30793754/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

(The gist of this one is that you’ll have a good level of antibody protection, but if you come into contact with a similar wild-type virus, you could end up with something akin to a cytokine storm. This one would have killed its animal recipients if they hadn’t already have been sacrificed, but humans are more complex and less fragile than lab animals, so it’s possibly the vaccinated who will be at more risk from travel).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7142689/#!po=79.1667

If you read nothing else, read this.

And consider what an act of bravery and probity it must take to stand out. Not to swim through the middle calling for moderation on both sides, but to say, “let’s be cautious”.

IF freedom of Movement is permitted, but with tests and a passport, you’ll know quite the extent to which this is a bid to trade your inalienable human rights for your data and compliance. If it is, but tests severely choke off travel, or it just isn’t, you’ll know quite the extent to which the gross ineptitude and greed of this government has now crashed us and many others into a wall. We will be the pariahs of the Western World.

And here’s an idea for GDB… Become a vaccine sceptic. The sheer stimulation of the intellectual process, the history of skulduggery and amount of conspiracies that repeat over and over is both horrifying and fascinating. And you’ll develop a fresh respect for the human body which rises, broken, again and again from these repeated assaults, and makes peace with unconscionable prices paid for the semblance of an immunity it already possesses.

438324 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 8, #1314 of 1350 🔗

In my opinion, this year is going to be lonely and cut off, with a brief respite over Summer, which will come at the price of the future health and fertility of a currently unquantifiable number of vaccinees. (Hopefully the end of phase 3 human trial, mass vaccination will yield those results).

And if pre-travel testing continues, many numpties who book a holiday following their vaccine, waving their vaccine passport will discover that they are testing positive just before they travel. They will then be unable to leave. If they make it out, they will contract an asymptomatic infection from one of the many circulating “mutations” abroad which will colonise their upper respiratory tracts and keep them quarantined until they test negative, in their host country, at considerable, (uninsurable), cost, no doubt.

So how about a spot of ye olde source question work.. Using historical evidence and perspective to assess the reliability of the current evidence?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-september-2020-polio-sudan/en/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30793754/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

438326 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 8, #1315 of 1350 🔗

(The gist of the above is that you’ll have a good level of antibody protection, but if you come into contact with a similar wild-type virus, you could end up with something akin to a cytokine storm. This one would have killed its animal recipients if they hadn’t already have been sacrificed, but humans are more complex and less fragile than lab animals, so it’s possibly the vaccinated who will be at more risk from travel).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7142689/#!po=79.1667

If you read nothing else, read this.

And consider what an act of bravery and probity it must take to stand out. Not to swim through the middle calling for moderation on both sides, but to say, “let’s be cautious”.

IF freedom of Movement is permitted, but with tests and a passport, you’ll know quite the extent to which this is a bid to trade your inalienable human rights for your data and compliance. If it is, but tests severely choke off travel, or it just isn’t, you’ll know quite the extent to which the gross ineptitude and greed of this government has now crashed us and many others into a wall. We will be the pariahs of the Western World.

And here’s an idea for GDB… Become a vaccine sceptic. The sheer stimulation of the intellectual process, the history of skulduggery and amount of conspiracies that repeat over and over is both horrifying and fascinating. And you’ll develop a fresh respect for the human body which rises, broken, again and again from these repeated assaults, and makes peace with unconscionable prices paid for the semblance of an immunity it already possesses.

438335 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheHandbag, 6, #1316 of 1350 🔗

Very much my thoughts. Polio vaccination has nothing in common with Covid vaccination. Nothing at all. With Covid vaccination we are talking about vaccinating healthy people at no threat from the disease.

The polio vaccine is the poster child for the whole vaccination movement. You can understand why. In the mid 20th century the disease rose up and crippled millions of children and teenagers across the world in the cruellest of ways. On balance, the polio vaccine is probably a positive contribution to public and personal health.

It’s interesting to note – as a reminder yet again of how little we understand viruses – that no one knows why polio, a relatively harmless virus prior to the 20th century suddenly became so lethal and damaging. Some theorised it was to do with the popularity of public bathing, though that seems not to correlate accurately. Syphilis is another pathogen that changed over time. It was a tropical disease that was again relatively harmless, passing easily between largely unclothed individual native communities. But the introduction of clothing changed its nature, it is thought. In order survive, it became more virulent and deadly.

438349 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 5, #1317 of 1350 🔗

Great post.

In my own poor way I have been trying to point out there are different types of vax.

I am all for effective, thoroughly tested vaxes that are safe for nearly everyone, administered on a voluntary basis.

The WuFlu vax is none of these things.

438378 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, 6, #1318 of 1350 🔗

And as I keep trying to get across…there is a specific problem with respiratory virus vaccines. Respiratory viruses are particularly deadly to people at or near the end of life. This is because said people’s lungs are diseased and/or their immune systems are crumbling.

A successful vaccine doesn’t give old people new lungs or restore their immune systems to youthful vigour. It means there are millions of environmental niches available to other pathogens, perhaps novel and highly dangerous pathogens which will take up the niches previously occupied by Covid and flu.

So even if the Covid vaccine were effective and protected individuals there are much bigger ethical issues at play.

438388 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 6, #1319 of 1350 🔗

I keep trying to get across the majority dying with Covid-19 are dying of old age, their bodies are worn out, immune system shot, sadly, but bluntly they are walking dead just waiting for an infection to finish them.

Those few younger victims of “Covid-19” are simply genetically unlucky, genetic freaks who didn’t have what was required to fight infection, quite likely they also probably would have been taken by another infection before old age.

It has a name ‘NATURE’! It’s no consolation to family members, but that’s the reality of life.

I also keep saying you can’t vaccinate against old age, only way to mitigate this, is a healthy lifestyle, personally i’m willing to trade 10yrs of indulgence living than live to 90 having someone else wipe my bum & dribble from my mouth, worst still spend the end of life in a no one cares, not my home.

438355 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 2, #1320 of 1350 🔗

The other argument against polio vaccines was improvement too sanitation. Polio can be nasty, my brothers mother-in-law had polio & was crippled for life. I think anyone might be inclined to consider a polio vaccine if they ever met her & saw how polio can affect you.

438375 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1321 of 1350 🔗

Indeed – a relative of mine was badly affected by it. As I understand it the polio vaccine is highly protective. Side effects are probably as minimal as you are going to get with a vaccine. And the disease can affect very healthy people. So putting it all together, I think having the vaccine is, or was, a logical choice.

438371 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to OKUK, 2, #1322 of 1350 🔗

Good points OKUK but (remaining aware of the effects of polio), the incidence was dropping markedly before the vaccine as a result of public health changes and more knowledge of the virus. The vaccine undoubtedly had an effect but not as marked as the PH changes. Also, I was surprised to learn how low the death rate from polio was (I can dig the figures out if anyone’s interested).

As ever, the whole story is not so simple.

DavidC

438374 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DavidC, 1, #1323 of 1350 🔗

Indeed, improved sewage disposal and treatment undoubtedly helped reduce polio infections, but it is still a fact polio was not the serious threat it became in the 20th century during the 19th century when sanitation was even worse. So there was something else going on.

438390 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to OKUK, 1, #1324 of 1350 🔗

population.

438411 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Anti_socialist, #1325 of 1350 🔗

DDT usage seems to have begun in the 1940s. Polio had been devastating communities long before that. FDR was a victim from the earlier part of the century. Polio emerged around the turn of the century as a very destructive disease.

438384 ▶▶▶ FW, replying to OKUK, 1, #1326 of 1350 🔗

Wasn’t there a theory relating polio to massive DDT use? lt was covered in Suzanne Humphries’ excellent book “Dissolving Illusions”.

438400 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to FW, #1327 of 1350 🔗

Yes, there is an argument to be made that polio was really DDT poisoning and that it was the banning of DDT that led to the reduction in polio rather than the vaccine. I believe they also changed the definition of polio shortly after banning DDT, which contributed to its “eradication.” In countries that still used DDT, polio was not eradicated, and today the only polio we see is vaccine induced in countries that administer the oral polio vaccine.

438412 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1328 of 1350 🔗

DDT usage began in the 1940s while polio had been causing major illness for decades before that.

438385 ▶▶▶ FW, replying to OKUK, 1, #1329 of 1350 🔗

Wasn’t there a theory relating the growth in polio to massive DDT use? lt was covered in Suzanne Humphries’ excellent book “Dissolving Illusions”.

438391 ▶▶ FW, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #1330 of 1350 🔗

Sorry, who is GDB?

438392 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to FW, #1331 of 1350 🔗

Thank you I was just about to ask that!

DavidC

438405 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to FW, 1, #1332 of 1350 🔗

It stands for Guy de la Bédoyère, a so-called lockdown sceptic who wrote the horrid piece ATL about taking the “vaccine” and likening vaccine passports to regular passports. I read it very late last night my time and I wasn’t sure if I was reading it correctly. His pieces have been excellent, but this one had me stymied. It’s very disheartening to see people like GDB and Peter Hitchens caving in to the “vaccine” tyranny so early in the game.

438322 karenovirus, 6, #1333 of 1350 🔗

Ole , Ole Ole`

438333 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1334 of 1350 🔗

You’ll like this CANADIAN MAN GOES BEAST MODE in airport

438336 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1335 of 1350 🔗

Dunno if this has been posted before The Day Masks Died (Trader Joe’s Santa Cruz)

438343 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1336 of 1350 🔗

You’re right. Bar getting vaxxed, that guy and I have a lot in common.

438344 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1337 of 1350 🔗

Saw that on Dollar Vigilante….well done to the lad!

438350 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1338 of 1350 🔗

I knew a family named Wildgoose, Buxton, Derbyshire, England 1960s.

438356 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1339 of 1350 🔗

My family name is very English, but it is not my screen name.

My screen name was inspired by the film with Burton, Harris, and Moore.

Your screen name is terrific, always makes me chuckle!

438381 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1340 of 1350 🔗

I remember that film in relation to it being the first time I saw a “blooper” on TV. Harris brought one along to the Parkinson show.

438407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to awildgoose, 2, #1341 of 1350 🔗

Back in the day when IRC was the only social media on the interweb. One evening after watching Sink the Bismarck ! (1960) I went on IRC (AUS network) deciding to call myself The Hood (after the battleship) I got instantly banned from every channel I tried to join.
Life imitating art!

438341 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #1342 of 1350 🔗

Farce mask: it’s safe for only 20 minutes The Sydney Morning Herald, First published 17 years ago

438352 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1343 of 1350 🔗

Good find.

438368 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #1344 of 1350 🔗

Here’s a song My Choice – Van valentine I’m confident LS & TY WON’T be linking ATL.

438386 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1345 of 1350 🔗

Nice one.

438395 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1346 of 1350 🔗

No one reads the comments this late so I like to wander a little off-topic SUNY Suspends Education Student For Posting Views On Biological Gender My view is gender is an academic construct society was hoodwinked into adopting. There are just 2 sexes! & genetic mutations.

There could be a significant First Amendment case brewing in New York after the School of Education at the State University of New York-Geneseo suspended student Owen Stevens for posting his view that gender is limited to biologically males and females. As a state institution, SUNY is subject to the limitations of the First Amendment and Stevens could challenge the action

438399 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1347 of 1350 🔗

I’m in this part of the US.

Geneseo is a super woke school in a rural farming area.

The on campus ratio is something like 70% female/30% male.

438404 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to awildgoose, 1, #1348 of 1350 🔗

First Amendment? Does that still exist?

438408 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 4, #1349 of 1350 🔗

Not in reality. The Supreme Court has declared it has no interest in the Constitution.

438410 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, #1350 of 1350 🔗

No!

Next question.

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35godowneasy8, 13, 9, 5
34Dame Lynet11, 23
34Robin Birch23, 10, 1
34Nessimmersion5, 14, 15
33frankfrankly8, 25
32Redundant Pilot15, 3, 14
32Ken Garoo1, 2, 4, 2, 1, 22
31concrete6831
31penelope pitstop2, 4, 25
31eastender53154, 4, 8
30StevieH30
30Seansaighdeoir30
30WasSteph24, 6
30pub with no beer16, 4, 1, 1, 0, 8
30PastImperfect10, 5, 0, 0, 10, 0, 5
29The Covid Kid141, 14
29Steve Hayes29, 0, 0
28I am Spartacas28
28James Leary #KBF16, 12
28norfolksceptic24, 4
28arfurmo0, 23, 5
28Dan L15, 8, 5
28rose7, 10, 1, 10
28crimsonpirate7, 4, 7, 2, 2, 6
27THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST27
27CrazyHoarse27
27bucky99720
26straightalkingyorkshireman26
26vargas991114, 1
25Happy in the haze25
25Alice1, 3, 8, 2, 1, 10
24Alethea3, 21
24Major Panic1113
24Suzyv21, 3
24iane19, 4, 1
24LMS21, 4, 0, 3, 1, 5, 10
23Thumb23
23DJ Dod23
23Tattersall13, 10
23Dave Angel Eco Warrier14, 5, 4
23Les Tricoteuses19, 2, 0, 2
23iansn5, 3, 3, 12, 0, 0
23Lisa (formerly) from Toronto1, 1, 16, 4, 0, 1
22ekd18, 4
21JamesM21
20Sam Vimes20
20kenadams20
20Dermot McClatchey2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5
19DThom19
19this is my username19
19Jaguarpig15, -15, 8, 11
18mhcp16, 2
17Sampa17
17lincsfloody2, 15
17mikewaite0, 3, 14
16Derek Toyne10, 6
16TheOriginalBlackPudding7, 5, 2, 2
15Hoppy Uniatz1, 14
15Ozzie105
14Ned of the Hills14
14David Ashton14
14AngloWelshDragon14
14mj4, 10
14Christopher4, 4, 4, 2
13bluemoon13
13yohodi13
13guy15313
13BTLnewbie13
13John0016, 1, 6
12Toby Pierides12
11stalfie11
11Ovis11
11skybluesam11
11WilliamC7, 4
11Sarigan (Day 341 of lockdown)0, 11
11jb121, 5, 5
11Dodderydude6, 1, 2, 2
10Charlie Blue10
10Lowe10
10Basileus4, 6
10A Heretic1, 9
10Alan P8, 2
10Lockdown Sceptic6, 4
10Sara7, 3
10richardw532, 8, 0
9Puddleglum9
9Templeton4, 2, 3
8Llamasaurus Rex8
8tompenn798
8caipirinha178
8Al T8
8Thomas_E2, 4, 2
7Melangell0, 7
7Tillysmum1, 2, 4
7Cumbriacracked7, 0, 0
6Tim Bidie6
6caravaggio576
6TyRade6
6Matt The Cat6
6MFvH2, 4
6Woden3, 3, 0, 0
5Spearthrower Owl5
5Mike5
5Binra5
5End of Tether5
5Van Allen5
5coulie455
5Puddleglum593, 2
4Alkanet4
4FiatLux4
4tonyspurs4
3stevie1193
3scuzbert3
3zacaway3
3neilhartley3
3ThomasPelham3
3happychappy3
3Bill H3
3AshesThanDust0, 3
3Edward1, 2
3StanleyDuke3, 0, 0
3FW0, 1, 1, 1
3FedupofLies2, 0, 0, 0, 1
2maggie may2
2NickR2
2Tenchy2
2Jane G2
2houdini2
2Xenophanes1, 1
2JohnB0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1
1sophie1231
1JHUNTZ1
1rupert1
1Mutineer1
1Sim181
1Pebbles1
1VickyA1
1gone_loopy0, 1
0dhid0
0p020990030
0Steeve0
0Nobody20210
0PompeyJunglist0
0yorkshire pudding0
0Elisabeth0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
-2Jo Dominich-2
-12DavidC-12, -3, -4, 0, 0, 4, 1, 2, 0

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