2021-03-02

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441554 Skippy, 4, #1 of 2075 🔗

Fizzies

441555 Judy Watson, 8, #2 of 2075 🔗

Good morning everyone, or afternoon/evening depending on where you are in the world

441556 Londo Mollari, 1, #3 of 2075 🔗

Third!

441557 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 41, #4 of 2075 🔗

Trader Joe’s grocery chain fires mask lunatic employee:

Trader Joe’s Worker Fired After Asking for ‘3 Strike’ Mask Policy (breitbart.com)

Nice to see there’s still a bit of common sense in the world!

441561 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to awildgoose, 28, #5 of 2075 🔗

That employee probably made everyone’s work life an absolute misery. I have no time for little hitlers at work

441569 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to awildgoose, 8, #6 of 2075 🔗

Wasn’t there a recent vid of a mask free flashmob at Trader Joe’s ?

441578 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #8 of 2075 🔗

Yes, that’s the one, thanks.

442267 ▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #9 of 2075 🔗

I have to admire those brave souls. It takes a lot of courage to face down such mob hatred from people who are unwilling to think for themselves but who really believe they occupy the moral highground.

441916 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 11, #10 of 2075 🔗

What is it with the masks? His letter talks relentlessly about aeresol transmission and he still believes those things can help. Idiotic stuff. He’s just trying to outshine his echo chamber on ‘staying safe’. No doubt he sees working at Trader Joe’s some kind of front line

443490 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to awildgoose, #11 of 2075 🔗

Trader Joe’s is owned by Aldi. Not a lot of people know that.

441558 bobdobbs0507, replying to bobdobbs0507, 11, #12 of 2075 🔗

Morning. Is it over yet? 😛

441562 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to bobdobbs0507, 2, #13 of 2075 🔗

Nearly midday for me!!

441823 ▶▶▶ mariehelene, replying to Judy Watson, #14 of 2075 🔗

Morning! Just waking up! Are you in Oz then? I hope they open the borders soon so I can see my son!

441577 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to bobdobbs0507, 1, #15 of 2075 🔗

It’s just the end of the beginning!

441596 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #16 of 2075 🔗

Onward to victory, soldiers! If Churchill’s mob could stick it out, so can we.

441642 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 4, #17 of 2075 🔗

We should have a countdown clock at the top of the page, counting down until July 1st when all this is predicted to end.

441781 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #18 of 2075 🔗

..and Dripford still hasn’t confirmed that it does so as well for those of us in Gulag Wales yet……….

442831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 1, #19 of 2075 🔗

Keep getting this vision of Mussolini hung out to dry …

441841 ▶▶▶▶▶ mariehelene, replying to Richy_m_99, 19, #20 of 2075 🔗

Read this morning in Independent that the holidays might be cancelled because of the Brazilian variant! Why or why do papers keep writing all this tripe? I’m not a violent person but I now feel like lining up quite a few of them and getting out my « mitraillette »! On a positivé note, yesterday I met someone who is doing some skilled work for me in the house, and is totally on my page, so we had a good rant! He reckons there are 1 in 10 like us, which isn’t a lot to bring on a revolution!

442093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to mariehelene, 11, #21 of 2075 🔗

6.5 million people fed up of this shit will always outshine the subservient fearful majority if they just stand up together and say “enough!”

441874 ▶▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #22 of 2075 🔗

No end in sight for us in Ireland.

442478 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 3, #23 of 2075 🔗

We were on the same side as the government in 1940.

441609 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to bobdobbs0507, 34, #24 of 2075 🔗

I remember the good old days of last April when I would wake up expecting it all to be over. Excitedly waiting to see the headlines announcing that the curve was flattened.
Then it transmogrified into hoping the military had performed a coup overnight.
Now…?

441627 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 32, #25 of 2075 🔗

As an out and about key worker I was expecting exactly the same especially as medics were telling me that the worst was over and it was never so bad as had been predicted.
This expectation was reinforced when I realised that ambulances had stopped roaming around the empty streets with their sirens wailing for the sole purpose of reinforcing the atmosphere of fear.

441785 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ed Phillips, 24, #26 of 2075 🔗

Yep – I can confirm that I was also daft enough at the time to believe “3 weeks” meant 3 weeks. You live and learn……

442221 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to ElizaP, 6, #27 of 2075 🔗

I was on a video call with work colleagues when so said what about xmas parties? (we work in catering).
I said “don’t be daft, it will be finished end of May latest!”

442136 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ed Phillips, #28 of 2075 🔗

… and, of course, the military were a key part of the attack on the people.

442655 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Ed Phillips, 9, #29 of 2075 🔗

I was daft enough to believe that people would start rebelling if it went on for much more than 3 weeks. I vastly underestimated the power of media and government brainwashing and the gullibility of most of the population.

441560 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 21, #30 of 2075 🔗

I read about Peter Hitchens and his having had the covid-19 vaccine. I can completely understand his reasons for having it. Although i am younger than him I too will be compelled to have it because i want to travel.

No doubt unlike the Yellow Fever vaccine for which exemptions can be made there won’t be for this one.

Yellow fever is a very serious infection – sorry can’t quote the death rate from this but the point is that Covid-19 is, in many cases a mild to moderate respiratory infection.

As ever big pharma wins and it is us lab-rats that will pay the price.

441564 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Judy Watson, 82, #31 of 2075 🔗

You and Peter may be able to travel but what sort of society will you both be living in?

441788 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #32 of 2075 🔗

…and who will take care of them both if they get a vax injury and need carers? I’m afraid I’ve already followed the advice for one of “Your choice is not my burden” (ie I wouldnt be a carer).

442169 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #33 of 2075 🔗

Both Judy and Peter Hitchens have made a perfectly rational choice, given their circumstances – fully aware of what it implies.

It’s not my choice – but I’m not into virtue signalling, either, which seems to be a major side effect of Covid – on both sides.

442324 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to RickH, 1, #34 of 2075 🔗

Thank you

441597 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Judy Watson, 42, #35 of 2075 🔗

Your vaccine choice is a personal decision, don’t advertise it to demoralize everyone else, or don’t complain when you’re labelled a cowardly collaborator.

Have some principles for god’s sake.

441600 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 70, #36 of 2075 🔗

Hold off.
This is an anti-lockdown site, not an anti-vaccine site. People here – and anywhere, come to that – are free to decide whether or not to take the snake oil. They may be obeying urgent imperatives which other people here are unaffected by.
We know that some of the brethren and systren here wear face nappies, from fear of the zombie mob or the rozzers or the fines or whatever. We accept that. We should accept vaxxers as well, and listen to their arguments.

441603 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 145, #37 of 2075 🔗

But this isn’t a vaccine, it’s a therapy. It’s being pushed on people When it’s only got approval for “emergency use”, which is completely unacceptable as there are many drugs available to treat “covid”. This so-called vaccine is the REASON we are in lockdown. If you are anti lockdown you should oppose this experimental drug they are peddling as a “vaccine”. The idea it will be required for travel is literally a rumour. Travel is most likely going to be banned forever except for the elite. Until it is stated, explicitly, that you have to have this jab if you want to travel (which should be stopped immediately as it’s a breach of human rights), you are taking it under some misguided assumption that you won’t be able to travel without it. That just fuels the machine and keeps us in lockdown. Sinister but there it is!

441786 ▶▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 25, #38 of 2075 🔗

You are 100% correct.

441985 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 28, #39 of 2075 🔗

Great post

Until it is stated, explicitly, that you have to have this jab if you want to travel (which should be stopped immediately as it’s a breach of human rights), you are taking it under some misguided assumption that you won’t be able to travel without it . That just fuels the machine and keeps us in lockdown.

Indeed.

442510 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Victoria, 15, #40 of 2075 🔗

Agreed. It’s the same mode of thought which leads some people to wear masks when or where they aren’t mandatory, just so that they can get used to them in case they become mandatory. All that it does is to make it easier for the authorities to make them mandatory-“Look, lots of people are doing it already, what’s the problem?”

442003 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 35, #41 of 2075 🔗

That is exactly right.They use this treat of unable to travel to force vaccination on council workers(posted about this weeks ago and the Vaccine hesitancy nurses). My family all live abroad and I have already told them that maybe,maybe,I will take the vaccine in a couple years time when at least it gets past the testing stage. My mum notified me that her and my dad are both getting it,so is my sister and her husband and that I’m not welcome in their house until I have it. I think I swore at my mother for the first time since I was about 18 .

442105 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to Thomas_E, 21, #42 of 2075 🔗

Good on you! My father did something similar last week – pushed me out his life and the family for not wanting to gat the vax. Told him ‘my body, my choice’ after I told him to grow up. He’s properly fed into all the fear porn. It took a few days for him to come around but I was prepared to stand up for what I believe in and be ostracised by one half of my family.

442625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #43 of 2075 🔗

What I can’t understand is – why do people feel threatened if they’ve ”had it” and therefore presumably consider themselves ”protected”?

442538 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #44 of 2075 🔗

Exactly!!

443349 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #45 of 2075 🔗

Yes of course travel will remain banned – have people not been paying attention to the elites trying to shame people, pre-covid, about using air-travel while they continue to jet around the world to attend parties and ‘global warming’ events?

Peter Hitchens works for the Daily Mail for crying out loud. This rag is one of the forerunners in stirring up shit. Controlled opposition works by rallying people to a common cause (usually against the government) and subduing it, then ultimately neutralising it.

Peter Hitchens has been like a lighthouse without a bulb. He is controlled opposition.

441625 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 62, #46 of 2075 🔗

If you’re still fighting lockdown you’ve lost!

Nothing I wrote was anti vaccine, its was anti authoritarianism! Anti-loss of body autonomy, anti-dictatorship, anti-propaganda!

Hitchens went out & batted for the other side on Sunday. Anyone who campaigns against lockdowns & then capitulates to government bullying is no better than a lockdown zealot.

If after compliance & conformity you collaborate with the dictator, you are a traitor!

442009 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #47 of 2075 🔗

Agreed 100%!

442043 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Anti_socialist, 22, #48 of 2075 🔗

Thing is, I would question ALL vaccines from now on. I heard they are thinking of making even common ones a gene therapy.

And seeing how DISGUSTING the medical profession is I don’t trust a single one.

442213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to FedupofLies, -1, #49 of 2075 🔗

Don’t want to upset you but there are a number of medicines which use recombinant DNA in their manufacture, e.g. insulins, and they’re absolutely fine. There’s about as much danger there as in the Frankenstein GM foods that out next king witters on about. After all, with his level of academic attainment he must know what he’s talking about LOFL.
Also, the reason why the vaccines went through the MHRA approval process so damn quick is that everything else in there for approval has been delayed.

442420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to DevonBlueBoy, #50 of 2075 🔗

I’m just repeating second hand stuff I’ve heard. I odn’t really bother being too accurate with much of what I wriet. After I wrote that I kind of knew it was bull shit.

WHatever, they are certainly getting involved with other established vaccines for no other rreason than profit.

441628 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Annie, 3, #51 of 2075 🔗

Thank you

441649 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Judy Watson, 12, #52 of 2075 🔗

I’m with you, Judy. Don’t let the insults get under your skin.nInsulting honest allies is not whai this site should be about.

441665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 39, #53 of 2075 🔗

Who insulted anyone?

If these “vaccines” turn out to be dangerous, there’s no place for politeness. This is about our children’s & grand children’s futures surrender now & they are doomed to tyranny.

To vaccinate is a personal private matter, I do not attempt to talk people out of vaccination, so people shouldn’t try to blackmail others into it.

Anyone risking their long-term health to go abroad is a shallow idiot in my eyes, anyone who surrenders their principles at the first opportunity to appease a dictator is a cowardly traitor!

441716 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Anti_socialist, 38, #54 of 2075 🔗

If the ‘experimental’ treatments turn out to be dangerous we of course will never know about it. Prof Delores Cahill says that the effects would start after 6-8months, for many of the elderly (that survived the original cull) or even the over 65’s, that will mean the autumn onwards. coinciding neatly with the next respiratory virus season, Covid21 and another lockdown. There is already talk of a serious flu season, therefore its in the pipeline already.

441740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Thomasina, 11, #55 of 2075 🔗

We’ll know, we will just be stopped talking about it.

441807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Thomasina, 47, #56 of 2075 🔗

Whether the vaccine is safe or dangerous is completely besides the point. It is the compulsion of it, the stripping of previously held freedoms unless one takes it that is the problem.

Even if it is 100% safe we are handing over autonomy over our own bodies to the state. We become nothing more than slaves.

For what? To travel?

Anyone who doesn’t want to be vaccinated but does so just to travel is contributing to the enslavement of themselves and the rest of us. That’s just a fact.

442035 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to stewart, 38, #57 of 2075 🔗

If we reach the point where we can’t get a job, a mortgage, medical attention or even buy food without having to show proof of vaccination, I would understand reluctant submission. But, “I want to travel,” seems a little feeble to me. We are talking about the destruction of liberty in the western world. It is sinister and terrifying: particularly because it is being effected so easily by the perpetrators and accepted so meekly by the masses. But this is so enormously important, not only for us but for future generations, that why would anyone who can see what is being done and who opposes the principle of totalitarianism give in without fighting to the last? Peter Hitchens says the fight is lost but I am determined that it isn’t. We might be greatly un-numbered and victory might be a forlorn hope but we must battle on, surely?

442106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve F, 22, #58 of 2075 🔗

I find it frightening how many people I know who have had the vaccine, or are planning to have it, who justify it with “I want to be able to travel” It’s become yet another mantra bleated by the masses. I suppose I should be grateful that they don’t say it’s to protect everyone else!

But, I have concluded that these people are (i) completely unaware of the potential risks (ii) are in denial that any adverse reactions might happen to them, or (iii) put quite simply, are insane.

442555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve F, 2, #59 of 2075 🔗

Yes – and our numbers are growing. This is not the time to capitulate.

442050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to stewart, 6, #60 of 2075 🔗

And we can’t go on the ultimate journey because they have made Nembutal illegal!

It is ILLEGAL to humanely kill onself to escape their HELL, so one is driven to the rope instead.

442553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, 2, #61 of 2075 🔗

Spot on!

441810 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Thomasina, 5, #62 of 2075 🔗

I think we will know. Something like Bells Palsy for instance is a lot harder to hide (because it’s something the vast majority of us had barely heard about) than a heart attack for instance (which could be “own” illness and it might be difficult to disentangle whether a heart attack was one’s “own” illness or “vax-induced” illness.

442048 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, 11, #63 of 2075 🔗

But you ignore the fact that nobody gives a shit any more, even parents for their own children.

Pregnant mothers posting on instagram for virtue signal points that they are being vaccinated, then suffering miscarriage and virtue signalling about that.

THis is POSThuman.

NOBODY GIVE S ADAMN

442549 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #64 of 2075 🔗

Don’t be so hostile. There’s a big difference between “going abroad” and wanting to see your family or regain your homeland again.

The problem for me is the pre-empting of the vaxpass. It is an admission of defeat, that “They” have already won – which I refuse to believe.

443449 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Anti_socialist, #65 of 2075 🔗

This is the thing – the covid vaccine is no ordinary vaccine. I don’t even like to call it ‘experimental’ because with experiments, you don’t quite know what the result will be. I believe they know fine-well what this drug will do.

442147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Annie, 19, #66 of 2075 🔗

Annie,

You are of course correct that we should not be insulting people here. We need to maintain unity (with differences of opinion on details) and civility in debate. Nevertheless, as someone who also needs to travel for family not leisure reasons, I agree with CivilianNotCov, that it makes no sense to take the vaccine until you have to. Vaccine passports are not a fait accompli, especially if enough people resist. And conversely, it may also be the case that people find they are still not able to travel even if vaccinated (or will be subject to same restrictions). So, I will be resisting as long as poss.

Disappointed, therefore, at Hitchens, but no way would I criticize people for very difficult personal choices. (I know Steve Martindale is another one in such an unenviable position.)

442326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #67 of 2075 🔗

Totally with you there. I was planning to travel the world, but feel it more important to resist compulsory vaccination while we still can. I know I am lucky in that I’m not in a vulnerable category, so it is easier for me to make that decision.

442617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #68 of 2075 🔗

I agree with you, one hundred per cent. We need to wait to see how things pan out, and not give in to threats.

”Say not the struggle naught availeth…
if hopes were dupes, fears may be liars…”

And we don’t yet know.

441636 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 62, #69 of 2075 🔗

The reason for this lockdown is the vaccine.The 2 are linked.

441650 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to jonathan Palmer, 65, #70 of 2075 🔗

Vernon’s Coleman’s first video from March 2020 stated then that he thought there were two hidden agenda’s to all this- of course he has added more as time has gone on. They were effectively 1) culling the elderly- tick this has happened and 2) forcing a vaccine- tick this is happening. You are right they are spinning a lockdown that isn’t neccessary to force as many people as possible into taking it.

441794 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Suzyv, 4, #71 of 2075 🔗

Correct.

443655 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Suzyv, 1, #72 of 2075 🔗

Exactly, and it is at this moment that Peter Hitchens turned his coat and showed that he is all in for team evil.

441791 ▶▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to jonathan Palmer, 8, #73 of 2075 🔗

You are 100% correct.

442049 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to jonathan Palmer, 16, #74 of 2075 🔗

Yes. Submit people to a year of whipped up fear and social isolation and then offer them the elixir of life and freedom. Of course it has been about the vaccine so far but the next stage in the grand plan is what keeps me awake at night, partly because I suspect the tertiary phase includes a bit about what to do with the dissenters.

442561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve F, 2, #75 of 2075 🔗

That’s where I find myself too!

442559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #76 of 2075 🔗

And the reason for the “vaccine” is the vaxpass!

441638 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 35, #77 of 2075 🔗

Sorry Annie, if you wear a mask, you collaborate in the lockdown narrative and jeopardise my 7 grandkids future. Even the government website says you can exempt yourself so there is absolutely no excuse whatsoever.

441655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 72, #78 of 2075 🔗

I don’t ever wear a mask.I’d die rather. But I know that some people here do, and I know why.
If you were a churchgoer, and you’d been berated by your vicar for several minutes for not wearing a mask, while the rest of the sheeple congregation glared at you over their nappies, you’d understand why some people give in. I didn’t give in, and I didn’t put on the mask that was thrust at me by a churchwarden. But I’m never going inside that church again, never, never, in life or in death.

And I am NOT taking responsibility for your grandkids. Or for your granny.

441717 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 10, #79 of 2075 🔗

That’s the spirit!

441819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 42, #80 of 2075 🔗

I agree. No one is responsible for someone else’s grandkids, like no one is responsible for someone else catching a virus or dying. The “blame and shame” game that has been played throughout this is disgusting. Bring back individual responsibility. Bring back critical thinking. Bring back the right to protest. Bring back liberal democracy.

442077 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #81 of 2075 🔗

Indeed.

443087 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #82 of 2075 🔗

I’m thinking you may have to TAKE your rights back. Nobody will bring them.

441830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 6, #83 of 2075 🔗

That wouldn’t have been my definition of Christianity either! Am no longer a Christian – but I’ve literally walked out of a church before now (albeit for a totally different reason) but it was because they were being anti-Christian imo. One can/should throw moneylenders (and vax centres!!!!) out of the temple/church – but not people who just want to take part in a service.

442055 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Annie, 2, #84 of 2075 🔗

You should have spat in the face of that wicked DEVIL vicar

442837 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to FedupofLies, #85 of 2075 🔗

He was way up in the pulpit, I couldn’t reach.

442071 ▶▶▶▶▶ JASA, replying to Bungle, 16, #86 of 2075 🔗

Some people absolutely cannot tolerate confrontation without being made extremely unwell. I haven’t worn a mask this year, but I did from when they were mandated in shops last year for a while because of my autism, severe anxiety and many other problems that are exacerbated by stress. My life is pretty hellish. Anyone confronting me would have set off a hell of a scene and made me even iller than I am, as a knock on effect of the ‘melt down’. As I live a lone, I didn’t want that. Now I don’t give a toss. If I’m going to die, I might as well go down fighting, but I totally understand why some people, a small minority, might be too frightened of the consequences of confrontation. It is in fact this that angers me more (if that is possible) than the bollocks being spouted by SAGE and the government.

442175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Covidiot, replying to Bungle, 4, #87 of 2075 🔗

Most of us on here have spent a year arguing for personal freedom, responsibility and choice. In my view, although this whole debacle makes me sick, that applies to vaccines too.

You can’t use the same playbook as the zealots, that makes you a zealot.

441639 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Annie, 9, #88 of 2075 🔗

It was Mr H himself that conflated the two.

441640 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Annie, 52, #89 of 2075 🔗

I agree that it is upto each individual what they decide and noone should judge the other. I think the concern for many is that people are already “giving in” to the manipulation and coercion. Giving in mainly due to travel, and yet noone can travel right now anyway regardless of a vaccine, or certainly not from the UK so why not resist and keep fighting for now? I have in mind people like Hitchens but it applies to anyone else. And it feels like this moment in time is absolutely crucial to any kind of resistance- crucial to not give in, to stand your ground and to see which way this will go. And yes this may mean not travelling for a little while which will be very difficult if you have family overseas which many do have. And yes they will make every attempt to bring in these passports and clearly there will be a European one from today’s news. It will all be legally challenged as it breaks so many laws and frankly many Europeans do not want the vaccine, many more than here so how can it effectively work?. It’s a complete mess and then you have to consider the adverse reactions which right now are being swept under the carpet but they are mounting and concerning and eventually this will have to come to a head.

441647 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Suzyv, 26, #90 of 2075 🔗

Quite agree. Your arguments are good.
Argument is the way forward. Not berating and insulting people who are actually your friends and allies – and honest with it.

441789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Suzyv, 14, #91 of 2075 🔗

Agreed 100 pc Suzy. I am British but have dual citizenship with America and will never be vaccinated despite knowing that I may never see my oldest and dearest friends in that country, or walk along its beautiful shores or hike through its breathtaking national parks and forests again.

441803 ▶▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Suzyv, 6, #92 of 2075 🔗

Please look up vaccine adverse events report for the USA. A very disturbing picture.

441821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to marebobowl, 8, #93 of 2075 🔗

You can’t resist vaccine compulsion on the basis that it’s dangerous because what if in the end the overall risk is considered to be very very small? Where are you left?

Compulsion to take a vaccine is wrong even if it’s safe.

442063 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to stewart, 9, #94 of 2075 🔗

yes, once you surrender your own bodily autonomy, where does it end? today you have the right introduce something into me through a needle, why then tomorrow shouldn’t you have the right to stick your prick up my ass? let’s abolish rape, shall we? assault? if I feel like belting someone in the face, then why the hell not? murder – go for it. organ harvesting? great idea. this is where the abandonment of principles and ethics leads – frankly to hell

443177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Suzyv, #95 of 2075 🔗

Sorry Suzy but as far as the UK is concerned the “law” is no longer working. The courts have shown they are unprepared to touch all this – and when they do, in the case of the covid Contracts, what is the outcome for the Health Secretary? Nothing. He just persist with his policy and says he was right to do what he did, next question please. And as for the laws which all of this is breaking – well, all you have to do is repeal them on grounds of “national emergency”. HRA is already under review which I predicted about 8 months ago. If HRA goes, which seems to be a foregone conclusion, then it is open season on all kinds of discrimination.

441663 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 16, #96 of 2075 🔗

Vaccine?????

FULLY informed consent?????

441671 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 15, #97 of 2075 🔗

Thank you Annie, I am (in your words) a vaxxer but myself and my younger son have come close to being ostracised by the rest of our family for our stance on lockdown.
I don’t think that the vaccine does any good or any harm either way and covid will and is being defeated by herd immunity.
The “masses” have chosen their toys to play with and eventually they will tire of them and find something else to play with.
What we have to do now is (as PH says; to stop the madness going any further, ie: masks in public places and certainly to stop any backsliding on the government’s end to all lockdown rules.

441749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Fingerache Philip, 23, #98 of 2075 🔗

I don’t think that the vaccine does any good or any harm either

Informed consent, i’m informing you, vaccines have killed at least 400 people, that’s by official figures reported by government. 400 people that would be alive now if they hadn’t had a vaccination.

It’s your personal private decision, you don’t have to justify or debate it. But don’t spread misinformation, or deceive others with, it did me no harm so its good enough for everyone else.

I’m not anti-well-developed necessary vaccines, these aren’t them. The vaccine has an agenda & no one has the right to force or coerce either way. That includes propaganda.

441812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #99 of 2075 🔗

Please read the Vader from the us cdc. There appear to be more than a few adverse events, including deaths post vaccination. It is all public record.

441897 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mariehelene, replying to marebobowl, 1, #100 of 2075 🔗

VAERS site for adverse reactions. Yes it’s public domain

441878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #101 of 2075 🔗

No, AS, it is my own personal opinion and I respect your’s and everybody’s opinions.
I take your point about the 400 vaccine deaths.

441831 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #102 of 2075 🔗

No harm??? People have literally died of heart attacks within weeks of receiving the vaccine. But apparently that’s just unfortunate. It’s okay if 400 people die as long as 20 million don’t. Why was it then NOT okay for anyone to die of “covid”? Why was it spread around that children should be denied education and single people denied the right to have sex with someone outside of their household because ONE person might die of a virus. It’s insanity.

441886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #103 of 2075 🔗

I refer you to the reply I gave to AS.
I take your points.

441706 ▶▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Annie, 4, #104 of 2075 🔗

Always clear, witty, suitably scathing and in line with (at least) my thinking

441715 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 33, #105 of 2075 🔗

I’m against vaccine coercion, which for me is lockdown’s twin. Judy’s post implies that she’s being coerced.

But it’s her choice of course. People will reluctantly choose to have the vaccine for many diverse reasons, and many will use ‘travel’ as their public pretext (not saying that’s the case with Judy of course).

If people want to have the vaccine we should respect that, and they should respect those of us who don’t want it.

Thing is, I suspect that before long the vaccine passport business will fall apart, and many people who were intimidated into having the jab may then regret it.

441844 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TJN, 3, #106 of 2075 🔗

They certainly will regret it if we refuse to be carers to them for any vax-induced illness they get. Their choice is not our burden.

441951 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to ElizaP, 2, #107 of 2075 🔗

I often ask myself, what if the vaccines do carry serious and widespread side effects. We really will be a segregated society then.

And where will this leave the rest of us who didn’t take the poison?

442001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kate, replying to ElizaP, 3, #108 of 2075 🔗

How will you know the illness is vax induced? Only good quality medical research can establish this. Such research has been blocked for the past forty years, and will continue to be so.

441750 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Annie, 16, #109 of 2075 🔗

The issue is an assault on our freedoms using lockdowns as coercion to be vaccinated. I don’t think cherry picking issues is helpful at all, since lockdown and the vaccine agenda are inseperable. This is the domino effect that I feared as a result of Hitchens – because a ‘respected personality’ has made it acceptable to be a rebel-but-not-really, more people will capitulate to cultural hegemony. Do as thou wilt, of course, but actions have consequences nevertheless, and it would be better to make your own decisions rather than be influenced by that prat.

441792 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 2, #110 of 2075 🔗

Unfortunately Annie, Some people are unaware of their own contradictions. But, we’ll have to rub along somehow, because what’s at stake, is so far beyond the personal, we who are capable, must do our best to go higher, to make up for those incapable of doing so.

441934 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Annie, 19, #111 of 2075 🔗

It’s not about accepting a vaccine. It’s admitting that you will take the coercion, whether it is for an experimental treatment or not. This opens the door to anything now. First covid, they can be compelled to sign up to all the other mRNA treatments in the pipeline. Just read this and weep

https://www.modernatx.com/pipeline

They have further plans. You didn’t even wait until these passports were in. Neither did Hitchens. It doesn’t send out a great signal as to how much resistance there is out there to authoritarianism

443186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #112 of 2075 🔗

Chilling – can you imagine the state your body would be in after you had had all of those? You’d barely be able to spell your own name never mind operate as a functioning human being!!

442036 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Annie, 4, #113 of 2075 🔗

You cannot separate the issue of the vaccine and the lockdown.

442173 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Annie, -1, #114 of 2075 🔗

Thank you, Annie, for a bit of realism.

Let’s face it – the hobby-horse riders here provide far more ammunition to the opposition than a tribe of Hitchens’s.

442192 ▶▶▶▶ Hattie, replying to Annie, 8, #115 of 2075 🔗

I think the point anti-socialist is making is with reference to the reasons PH gives. He doesn’t just state it is for travel, which is a bit strange anyway considering passports are yet to be a reality, but his capitulation to the situation, his cries of hopelessness of opposing the tyranny as a pointless effort. He even tweeted that sceptics had lost the fight. Thus AS point of demoralising people, which I completely agree with. How successful would the black rights movement have been if King had just thrown the towel in when faced with adversity.

442667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Hattie, 2, #116 of 2075 🔗

I think he threw the towel in rather early.

442535 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Annie, 6, #117 of 2075 🔗

You’re right BUT getting vaxxed in order to get your vaxpass before they’re even introduced will simply hasten their actual implementation. It just plays into the hands of the government.
If/when the vaxpass is actually a requirement, then I’d say it’s a different ballgame.

It must be remembered that the vaxpass isn’t merely about freedom to travel abroad. If that were the case, it wouldn’t be such a big deal. However, it’s actually the key to a whole raft of draconian measures TPTB are itching to implement.

441634 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #118 of 2075 🔗

International travel is the carrot they are dangling to ensure vaccine uptake.
Mass tourism is over.Read Agenda 21/30.

441643 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to Judy Watson, 25, #119 of 2075 🔗

“As ever big pharma wins and it is us lab-rats that will pay the price”

They only win if you let them. Collectively by saying no, they have no business model. Your subservient attitude is what allows them to win. Your body, your choice. As a woman I would have thought that is an ethos you strongly believe in and support.

441704 ▶▶ Thomasina, replying to Judy Watson, #120 of 2075 🔗

I did read somewhere last week that the death rate fro Yellow Fever is overall in the region of 7% but if you have a serious bout then its 50%.

441747 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Thomasina, 6, #121 of 2075 🔗

Does that even make sense? Surely it’s 7% or 50%. If you get very ill and die then obviously it’s more serious but you can’t simultaneously have both a 7% and 50% chance of death from the same thing?

441732 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Judy Watson, 26, #122 of 2075 🔗

make sure you do your research before you make that irreversible decision. at best, [IF they abide by their promises] you may be allowed to travel for at most another 5 years before you succumb to a horrible and painful death. on the other hand, since the alternative is to spend those 5 years [at most] in the gulag, possibly being tortured, and ending with a more conventional form of state assassination, then maybe your decision to ‘go along to get along’ is not entirely irrational. we’re not in a great situation here. I think if I were young and baggage-free I would probably emigrate to somewhere like Africa or South America, another contributor on here the other day suggested Patagonia. Obviously you would have to go soon before the window of opportunity to escape closes forever. I think I have made the decision that I simply have no desire to survive without the people who give my life its entire meaning. so I’m resigned to my fate. I won’t take the vaccine, simply as a matter of registering my feeble protest. I would like to get hold of some kind of suicide pill to spare myself either enforced vaccination or torture at the end.

441859 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JaneHarry, 9, #123 of 2075 🔗

I’m much in sympathy with you. I don’t know how this has been planned out and I don’t know how it will play out – though obviously concerned in case of “worst case analysis” proving to be accurate about what plans there are. But the jury is out in my mind re exactly what I think will happen. I just keep my options open – and my two packs of portable barbecues and carbon monoxide detector to hand for indoor use if need arises to escape that way. A second option (of 24-30 paracetamol – yes I was surprised how few that actually is….) but that wouldn’t be my preference – as I’d rather just do a pain & discomfort free falling asleep. But my own choice is to live out remaining estimated 15 year lifespan and all back to as it was in 2019.

442051 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to ElizaP, 6, #124 of 2075 🔗

I told my wife something similar. If it comes to it I will put a gun to my head and check out, Japanese WW2 style.I will not live in a tyrannical NWO 1984 world,not worth it.

442045 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to JaneHarry, 7, #125 of 2075 🔗

I agree. I cannot see myself taking the ‘vaccine’ even though I may need it to travel to Spain where my house and partner are. Not only for fear of side effects but because I simply refuse to give in to tyranny. I will fight on as long as possible. If it does get to the stage where a vaccine passport is needed for any quality of life then I will be checking out of this world, because I simply could not bear to live in such a society.

442070 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JaneHarry, #126 of 2075 🔗

I’ve looked. Nembutal is difficult to get hold of.

PAINLESSPATH.ORG is a SCAM site, sadly. Though I thought it was real.

Then I found out that it is actually ILLEGAL to purchase Nembutal in the United Kingdom.

Someone here suggested YEW LEAVES and I am researching that. However, I think it will probably end up being the good old rope.

442594 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FedupofLies, #127 of 2075 🔗

Rope is extremely traumatic for whoever finds you.

442636 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #128 of 2075 🔗

Trauma? Too fucking much of that these days.

People need to man up and stop being such cry babies.

442974 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to FedupofLies, #129 of 2075 🔗

A bbq smouldering in bedroom with no windows open

443148 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to FedupofLies, #130 of 2075 🔗

I don’t want to encourage anyone to do anything irrevocable, but rebreathing nitrogen is painless and completely lethal. Just absorb the oxygen out of a given quantity of air.

443180 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to FedupofLies, #131 of 2075 🔗

No need for rope- too technical re decapitation, slow strangulation etc.The yew may hurt. Berries better than leaves but dosage? Wolfs bane/monks hood/aconitum will do the trick but very unpleasant by all accounts. Disposable barbecues seem to be the method de jour. Lit and left to smoulder in an enclosed space while you doze amidst. My son’s mate managed it quite efficiently in a tent at the back end of last year.

441856 ▶▶ mariehelene, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #132 of 2075 🔗

I go back to my country France regularly as I have family and a house there, but I will not give in! The health consequences are too great and unknown, and I will take them to court if necessary, Nuremberg code and human rights.

441958 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Judy Watson, 19, #133 of 2075 🔗

Hi Judy
Big pharma hasn’t won yet! Can I urge you to leave the decision until the last possible moment.
The more who hold off from the vaccine, the more impossible a vaccine passport regime will become. They haven’t even started on the under-40’s in the UK, who know that they have no need of it, and who see the end of covid already here, to all intents and purposes.
I suspect you may just need a negative Lateral Flow test before you travel – far better than signing up to lifetime of annual ‘vaccines’.

442034 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Judy Watson, 10, #134 of 2075 🔗

I have frequently seen yellow fever used as an example of why a covid vaccine would not be the first mandatory travel vaccine. But in reality, for most of us in the western world, yellow fever vax is not mandatory. I recall having it for travel on holiday to Kenya in the 1980s as it was an ‘advisory’ vaccine. I have checked online and it is still ‘advisory’ for travel from the UK to the principal African holiday destinations. I didn’t check every African country so there may be the odd exception and I am happy to be corrected.

The standard rules for yellow fever are that if passengers are travelling from a designated yellow fever (infected) country, or via such a country, to a country with yellow fever restrictions they must carry evidence of vaccination. But travellers travelling to an African country directly from a non yellow fever country are not required to have had a yellow fever vaccination. Yellow fever vaccination is recommended for such travellers to mitigate any risk of contracting the disease themselves.

YF vax is a decades old long established prophylaxis and, as you say, is to prevent a very serious disease.

442205 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Dodderydude, 6, #135 of 2075 🔗

And maybe it was developed for yellow fever not euthanasia.

442639 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #136 of 2075 🔗

But, Judy, will you wait to see how things pan out? That is, to see if the threat of not being allowed to travel is ever enacted? Could it not be a last minute decision because all hope is lost? I don’t understand why PH should have accepted it so early in the struggle. Do you?

443654 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #137 of 2075 🔗

The problem with his vaccination is that if you see the video he openly admits being coerced into taking it. Factors other than the risk benefit of the vaccine itself has made his decision for him.

Those changing of outside parameters are the breach of the Nuremburg code. No one should be forced to take a vaccine because it gives you anything other than medical benefit. As soon as we accepted medical treatment can be forced on people, we are all doomed. This is why his decision to take the vaccine was such a bad one.

It would have been a different matter if he had weighed up the pros and cons of the vaccine itself, but that wasnt true of his case.

441563 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 6, #138 of 2075 🔗

EU introducing formal vax passport legislation this month:

Von der Leyen: EU Announces Vaccine Passports, UK May Join (breitbart.com)

They’re already calling it the, “Digital Green Pass,” modeled on the Israeli version, trial run being set up in Greece.

441565 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to awildgoose, 17, #139 of 2075 🔗

It must be opposed. Make it unworkable. We can all start by failing to log on to the internet on March 21st.

441579 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #140 of 2075 🔗

Now there’s an idea protest with silence! On a specific day & time just stop everything, switch off all the lights all gadgets all electricity, that would be a powerful message. Something they couldn’t ignore.

How do we get 7 billion people to do that?

441589 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #141 of 2075 🔗

I’m in.

441651 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #142 of 2075 🔗

The EU themselves make it unworkable, thanks to the Schengen agreements. Not all travel is by air. Rail and road travel is currently unhindered by any sort of border checks and will continue to be so once the various countries drop their emergency measures.

441735 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #143 of 2075 🔗

Good point. Looks like ᛋᛋ will be patrolling train stations asking for your papers.

442059 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #144 of 2075 🔗

ᛋᛋ

I like it. 

442347 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #145 of 2075 🔗

What’s old is new again.

How innovative.

441734 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #146 of 2075 🔗

Swedeborg (did I get this right) outlined yesterday why Vaccine passports will be unworkable and Schengen plays a big factor in the unworkability.

441800 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #147 of 2075 🔗
442019 ▶▶▶▶▶ Felice, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #148 of 2075 🔗

Thanks, that’s a really interesting post and gives me hope.
But the elephant in the room is that the UK government could insist that anyone who flies, is vaccinated. They would put the responsibility to enforce that on the airlines.

442054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Felice, 5, #149 of 2075 🔗

That maybe true but the airline themselves could be liable if they’re sued for discrimination or someone developing adverse side effects from the vaccine.

441566 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #150 of 2075 🔗

In these dark times at least the budget should be a bit of a giggle

441770 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cecil B, 1, #151 of 2075 🔗

From behind the sofa!

441567 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #152 of 2075 🔗

Chinas Social Credit system.

This pre Covid YouTube says that China has been trialling 42 different versions of Social Credit since 2019 before deciding which one to roll out nationally in, oddly enough, 2020.

441575 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 13, #153 of 2075 🔗

Coming to a town near you.

441610 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #154 of 2075 🔗

Should read
‘trialling . . . 42 different versions since 2009’

I was posting very early. 😳

441622 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to karenovirus, 4, #155 of 2075 🔗

It’s only 10 years out. Still, more accurate than The Slutty Professor

441718 ▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #156 of 2075 🔗

It already is – the technology is being developed by a company here in Manchester called Vcode by VST Enterprises.

443360 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dobba, #157 of 2075 🔗

Confirmed in the link provided by Cheezila below.

442252 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #158 of 2075 🔗

It’s already in ‘a town near you’. Go into Asda and see one’s mask-less mug framed in green on the big screen for all to see, to boo, and to throw things at!

442404 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #159 of 2075 🔗

Social shaming is all part of it, from the vid

441580 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to karenovirus, 8, #160 of 2075 🔗

Here’s a written rundown:

Social Credit System – Wikipedia

Just shoot me.

441612 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to awildgoose, 1, #161 of 2075 🔗

That would seem to be the youtubers main scourse of information except for the 42 different cities.

441679 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to karenovirus, 16, #162 of 2075 🔗

Most people are totally ignorant of the true effects of their social credit system. How many realise that there are more children living away from their parents, being cared for by total strangers than the population of the UK.

Imagine a system where, you and your wife left home and moved to London for jobs ten years ago. You set up a family business there and have a child, but your social credit score is not high because of your race, religeon and social status. Your child has only enough points to remain in a London school until aged eleven.

Once that time comes, the State gives you a choice. You and your wife can remain in London, but your child must leave the city and return to the place where YOU came from. A place your child have probably never seen, a place with no family ties left. Your child will be placed with a stranger, usually a woman beyond child bearing age, who will look after maybe half a dozen children, none related, until their eighteenth birthday. Then the states responsibility ends and they have to fend for themselves, probably never seeing their parents again.

The alternative is to give up everything you have worked for and leave as a family, but with no home, no job and no business, for a place you left so long ago to make a life for yourself because where you came from had no opportunities.

That was the explanation of life in Shanghai, provided by a Mexican born guide who was in China teaching Englush when I was there two years ago. He had been living in China for six years, but already knew he had only a year left before he would be compelled to leave, because his social credit would run out.

441787 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #163 of 2075 🔗

I had some of the negative impacts of Social Credit explained to me last summer by a UK business chap with a mainland Chinese wife whose family they used to visit frequently.

It jogged my memory about a roundup link which discussed the horror awaiting us. ‘. . . The road to future tyranny’ but I have been unable to track it down since.

441885 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 1, #164 of 2075 🔗

It would be useful to hear this karen – as I read the previous example and thought “He was from a different country – I don’t expect they are doing that to Chinese people – so that’s not something I’d worry about personally – bar the Nationalists getting antsy about me being in the Welsh part of the country, when I’m from the English part of the country”.

442310 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ElizaP, 3, #165 of 2075 🔗

I spoke with a mature student who had returned, with lockdown difficulties, from Laos after her gap year where she witnessed Chines personnel
“imposing Social Credit, not pretty”

442632 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #166 of 2075 🔗
443351 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, #167 of 2075 🔗

Yes that’s the one . Thank you

442057 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to karenovirus, 9, #168 of 2075 🔗

A friend of mine was actually working on the face recognition software in China for Google.He was disgusted and thought this will never come to pass anywhere in the west.He told me weeks ago that they are back on this project,this time for the UK government..It is happening, we can’t stop it.

442278 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #169 of 2075 🔗

we can’t stop it.

Of course we can. Even a catapult can take out a camera.

443287 ▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #170 of 2075 🔗

My understanding is that this is the reasoning behind social distancing. Makes it easier for cameras to identify individual faces.

443353 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to happychappy, #171 of 2075 🔗

I heard that some months ago, hence the otherwise inexplicable 2 metre rule.

441568 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 86, #172 of 2075 🔗

I think the attacks on Peter Hitchens for his taking of a so called Covid 19 vaccine are misplaced. He is one of the very few people with a platform who spoke out against the coronavirus madness from the outset. How many of the people now insulting him, calling him a traitor, etc, can point to their own publicly made reasoned arguments against the proposed restrictions back in March 2020?

Peter Hitchens’ consistent critique of the madness has had a significant and substantial effect. He has persuaded people who supported the fear-mongering and the lockdown measures the government introduced in March 2020 to look beyond the rhetoric and re-consider and to become lockdown sceptics. To see this one only has to view the first interview in the ongoing series he has had with Mike Graham on Talk Radio.

Peter Hitchens’ day in and day out criticisms of the coronavirus madness have enabled many others to feel their concerns were valid; his stand has encouraged many others to speak out; to write to the member of parliament; to voice their concerns to friends and family, to neighbours and colleagues, to express their views on the Internet. And this has an effect.

The significance of that effect can be seen in the fact that the carriers of the official narrative want to label any scepticism, no matter how reasonable, with words like denier, dangerous misinformation, conspiracy theorist, etc. It can be seen in the demands for ever more draconian censorship of dissent.

Lockdown sceptics ought to be thanking Peter Hitchens for his work and supporting him. It is clear that he has felt alone in his struggle against the madness, and s sense of isolation in a campaign seriously undermines morale. Perhaps, if we had been more vocal in our support for him (and other sceptics) he would not have come to the conclusion that the battle is lost.

The battle is not lost. But for it to be won, we need to support each other.

441574 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 34, #173 of 2075 🔗

I think the attacks on Peter Hitchens for his taking of a so called Covid 19 vaccine are misplaced.

No he’s a surrender monkey, stop throwing him bananas.

Taking medical treatment is a personal decision. I’m certain he would not write about his piles & what ointment he uses! There was no reason for him to tell the world he took the covid poison. He as an influential covid critic, surrendered publicly for what? A trip abroad. He didn’t even pretend to fight. He’s as fraudulent as the Covid-19 vaccine.

442111 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #174 of 2075 🔗

Given political reality I suspect it will at least prove neutral or be positive. Refusing to take the ‘vaccine’ does not look generally reasonable in the present climate so PH needs to appear reasonable to put forward the antilockdown arguments, which more people may listen to.

442273 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to frankfrankly, 9, #175 of 2075 🔗

“Refusing to take the ‘vaccine’ does not look generally reasonable in the present climate…”

That is only if you accept the government and media propaganda. One of Peter Hitchens’ major weaknesses that I’ve noticed is that he never discusses concrete issues such as the fraudulent use of PCR, manipulation and distortion of statistics, not to mention the disingenuous vaccine narrative. He seems to solely focus on philosophical issues such as the charge against the loss of freedom on an unprecedented scale.

If he had backed up his protestations with the indisputable factual scientific and statistical evidence against the narrative, his opposition would have carried much more weight. This has always been sadly lacking, not helped by his day long supercilious and pedantic ‘tweeting’ when he would have been better served doing some hard research. It makes me wonder if his intellectual capabilities lack the depth to assess more complex empirical information as demonstrated by his capitulation to the vaccine narrative.

I do feel he has let down many people on this issue but, having said that, I do admire and will continue to support his campaign to call out the OPCW for its disingenuous reporting on ‘chemical attacks’ in Syria.

442684 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Dodderydude, -1, #176 of 2075 🔗

Sure,

However you need to deal with people as they are, not where you you would like them to be. Otherwise there is no engagement and no possible progress.

442337 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to frankfrankly, 10, #177 of 2075 🔗

The Covid event has always been about the “vaccines”, that aren’t vaccines. Everything about Covid is purposely designed to frighten or coerce an ignorant public into partaking of these undoubtedly risky and for too many, lethal medications. Hitchens has now joined the government freak show, making an ass of himself and a fool of those who ever took him seriously. He was always an establishment stooge, though whether he knew it, is another matter.

442162 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #178 of 2075 🔗

That’s the point: not that he chose to trot along to the surgery and obediently roll up his sleeve but that he then elected to broadcast what he’d done and why he’d done it. The simple fact that he must have known how much it would have delighted our opponents to win him over was surely reason enough for him to at least have kept quiet about being jabbed? He must also have been aware how much his capitulation would hurt the dissenters for whom he has been a high profile champion. He did it anyway and that’s why I think critcism of him is justified. He even told us we’d lost. I find that particularly hurtful.
I do value all that he has said and done to oppose lockdown: his position at the DM was very influential and I suspect he’s been responsible for winning many converts over the past months but, as far as I’m concerned, that doesn’t excuse him this act of betrayal.

441611 ▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to Steve Hayes, 29, #179 of 2075 🔗

When the crunch came, he lost his nerve. I’m disappointed.

441616 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to lincsfloody, 8, #180 of 2075 🔗

The crunch was in March 2020.

441620 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #181 of 2075 🔗

No the “crunch” is their motive not their conduct. We want to stop the planned outcome of digital biometric ID, DNA, retina scans, fingerprints, facial recognition all used to control & surveil!

441623 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #182 of 2075 🔗

How can an event be a motive? The misuse of language is something the carriers of the coronavirus narrative specialise in. It is something that lockdown sceptics ought to criticise rather than imitate.

441645 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #183 of 2075 🔗

LOL stop it you make yourself sound naive, you know what I mean’t the motive (for lockdown) & outcome are simple, ‘control’ .

The pandemic & by definition lockdown was the trojan horse to implement greater control, it’s a power grab!

442753 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, #184 of 2075 🔗

The crunch was getting himself jabbed. Like many others who’ve taken the needle, he now has a time bomb ticking away inside and there’s nothing he can do about.

442640 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to lincsfloody, 1, #185 of 2075 🔗

The crunch isn’t here until the vaxpass is mandatory.

442757 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #186 of 2075 🔗

The “vaxpass” is another way of coercing people to take their worse than dubious vaccines. It’s a bit about control and an awful lot about depopulation.

441629 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 61, #187 of 2075 🔗

I think that is why his decision is so disappointing.I remember in the first week of lockdown feeling something was wrong.Watching the news and realising it was no longer news but propaganda and when I read Hitchens I understood I was not alone.
He hasn’t just took the vaccine for travel,although travel is illegal at the moment,he excused his decision by claiming we have lost and we better get used to it.He then used spurious opinion polls to justify his decision,after years of explaining how they are manipulated to influence public opinion.
In one column he has destroyed his credibility.

441765 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #188 of 2075 🔗

Reference to family and travel confirms my suspicion that it was ‘her indoors’ wot done it.

441714 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #189 of 2075 🔗

yeh, I like Peter Hitchens, I’m only sorry he took the vaccine because it means he’ll be dead soon

441729 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #190 of 2075 🔗

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I love your bluntness 🙂

442781 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #191 of 2075 🔗

Yes, it’s a very strong point.

441805 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to JaneHarry, 1, #192 of 2075 🔗

I thought he was a religitard, he seems to be A OK with HEK 293. More hypocrisy I guess.

442780 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #193 of 2075 🔗

Yes that is very likely and he doesn’t look that robust in any event. He caved when they put the pressure on and he is now a dead man walking, at least for a while.

441761 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #194 of 2075 🔗

‘Things have changed now because, as always when a battle is lost, you can speak freely about it.’

Roger Scruton, Spectator interview, 4.4.2015

‘it’ not CCP-19 obviously but another dangerous topic.

441780 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #195 of 2075 🔗

I totally thank Hitch, he was right all through the crucial period last year, when the government could have at least limited the damage. In the circles he moves I am sure he is very unpopular with his views on the CCP Virus, he is though much more in tune with the working man in the practical and productive side of the economy than he knows.

He has seemed a beaten man though this year, almost as if those scary death numbers in Jan have made him think again, even the rhetoric has been toned down. Muzzles are now masks and the scorn for government ministers is much more mild than last year.

442296 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to nottingham69, 7, #196 of 2075 🔗

scary death numbers in Jan have made him think again

Do you mean the deaths in care homes after the vaxx has been administered? You know, the countless incidents this government fails point blank to address? The scary Jan flu-death numbers happen every year, but no-one is interested. The death rate coming dramatically down in Feb also happens every year, and would have happened irrespective of the vaxx roll out.

442827 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nottingham69, 2, #197 of 2075 🔗

Those “scary deaths numbers in Jan,” are mathematically proven to have been caused by the “vaccines,” that aren’t vaccines. Numbers wizard, Joel Smalley tells it as it is, in the video linked below. It’s a bit hard going in places, but well worth the effort. Joel’s too wary to say it, but for me, the inference is that the vaccines are genocidal.

I didn’t need Joel to tell me that the vaccines were something to avoid, as there was already a mountain of evidence, far more than enough to set the alarms ringing. Others heard the alarm bells, but not Peter Hitchens and he has caved to establishment pressure.

As for being unpopular, I would suggest that most sceptics will have had that experience though personally, I take it as a badge of honour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWTaEtkZiA4

441801 ▶▶ Marg, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #198 of 2075 🔗

Agree, some of the comments directed at PH are downright nasty, usually with a smattering of swear words to justify their point. Rarely do you see a reasoned argument. Look at Piers Morgan, who loves the sound of his own voice so much, he doesn’t let interviewees finish their sentence. I doubt he has even looked at the ONS figures or any other argument. I stopped watching and listening to MSM about 9 months ago.

442149 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Marg, 2, #199 of 2075 🔗

Piers Morgan asserted that he knows that the vaccine (he was not specific about which product he was referring to) is safe and effective because he researched it. (He did not say what that research consisted of.)

443361 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Steve Hayes, #200 of 2075 🔗

It is not possible to say what he said, without being a blithering idiot or a liar. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he’s not an idiot.

441947 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Steve Hayes, -5, #201 of 2075 🔗

Maybe he found himself increasingly uncomfortable as an opponent of lockdown to be sharing a platform with opponents of medical treatments. If so I know how he feels.

442118 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 11, #202 of 2075 🔗

opponents of medical treatments”

Opponents of politically coerced, invasive, irreversible, novel, experimental, untested, medical treatments.

442373 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to PastImperfect, 2, #203 of 2075 🔗

exactly , just like like GMOS – a sure warning sign to me ,they have also damaged peoples health especially in america the home of monsanto . just one of the many reasons no way will i ever get this or any of their vaccines

443090 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #204 of 2075 🔗

You forgot unlicensed and the makers are indemnified against any damages.

443393 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, #205 of 2075 🔗

The vaccine makers are happy that their products are being used without a license, as in these circumstances they don’t even need the indemnity that they have been given.

The decision to use these unlicensed products is entirely down to government and it is the party that needs to be called to account for the harm now being caused. This harm appears to be the result of a criminal act.

‘Democide’ – the intentional killing by the state, of its own citizens.

442292 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 8, #206 of 2075 🔗

You seem to be living under the illusion that all ‘medical treatments’ are by definition safe and to be encouraged. An extremely dangerous path to tread.

443364 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #207 of 2075 🔗

What else do you know?

441978 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #208 of 2075 🔗

Totally disagree

Hitchens decided too have the jab and that is his right. However he then bleated publicly that he was coerced to take the jab due to the ‘inevitability’ of the vaccine passport. By doing this he is now the spokesman for the government, big pharma and big business to push for the introduction of these passports. Pathetic!

These vaccine passports will only happen if the majority in the UK support it. At this stage they do not

442239 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Victoria, 7, #209 of 2075 🔗

And by openly supporting vaxx-passports he condones governance by (previously illegal) coercion and acceptance of the inevitability of a 2-tier society. It’s a grave step into irreversible totalitarianism that even TY (ATL) seems to be glossing over ( again, unfortunately).

442168 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #210 of 2075 🔗

his (Hitchens) stand has encouraged many others to speak out

And his pitiful surrender ( because he might lose the freedom to travel, he felt coerced.. ) will likewise encourage other lockdown wobblers to do the same. He’s a paid influencer, and he has switched sides. There’s no excuses, he’s a busted flush, effectively a government shill, and his false opposition to lockdown is exposed as nothing of value.

442210 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Hayes, 16, #211 of 2075 🔗

“he has felt alone in his struggle against this madness”

Of his own making. He wasn’t by any means the first to identify the disproportionately of lockdowns, much as he would have us believe. He seems to have an innate desire to play the martyr and be seen as the sole ‘wise one’. And if this involves arrogantly and scornfully dismissing individuals who have done far more than he has to campaign against the fascism, such as David Icke and Piers Corbyn, then that’s what he resorts to. He himself has said that he doesn’t ‘do’ group campaigns and protests, as if this were to be regarded as a badge of honour and symbolic of his ‘superior’ intellect.

It seems that this desire to be a loner has now been his downfall and reflects his disdain for the rest of us mortal beings who have more integrity and conviction than he obviously has, and I am writing as someone who until this week was happy to overlook his foibles because he appeared to have the same ultimate goals. Any belief I had in him has been completely shattered. He would clearly rather ‘self-mutilate’ by conceding to vaccination than join forces and get behind people who genuinely do have the interests of the future of society at heart. It now appears that, contrary to his phoney self-characterisation, it is all about Peter Hitchens and not about society and true values.

Sorry to vent my annoyance but he has made me very angry.

442661 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dodderydude, 7, #212 of 2075 🔗

I felt dismay at first but I’m starting to smoulder now. He’s betrayed his followers and given HMGs plans a boost.
He should have waited until he clearly had no choice. Now is not that time.

442635 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #213 of 2075 🔗

He had a platform, unlike most of us. He’s abused it.
If the vaxpass were already a requirement, it would be a different matter.
This is pathetic capitulation. He’s a traitor to his readers and to his country.

443423 ▶▶ james007, replying to Steve Hayes, #214 of 2075 🔗

I am confused about Peter Hitchen’s take on the vaccine. To agree to take it because you think it may protect you or a loved one is understandable. Why take it whilst complaining about what a terrible defeat and surrender it is?
As it stands you don’t have to take this vaccine. Why help this dreadful government by falling at its feat in despair and surrender?
I like Hitchens and have read some of his books. He is belligerent and arrogant and is often depressing – but he is a good writer and an original thinker.

441570 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 15, #215 of 2075 🔗

Thought it worth re-posting this from yesterday evening:

Having been subjected to a year of cherry picked and manipulated data intended to justify the government narrative, my first instinct now is to mistrust anything new that is presented.

The claim was made in this evening’s briefing that PHE have statistics proving the effectiveness of the vaccines. No doubt there is data that can be used to justify this claim and there may even be some truth in the claim.

Two things I want to see forensically examined before I would be convinced:

Full disclosure of how PHE collected and analysed the data. In particular, how they gathered and assessed the results for the vaccinated population compared to the unvaccinated.

A comparison of England’s data with other parts of the world with different levels of vaccination penetration.

441572 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to SilentP, 5, #216 of 2075 🔗

my first instinct now is to mistrust anything new that is presented

Only took you a year?

441573 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #217 of 2075 🔗

I didn’t say when ‘now’ started!

441585 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to SilentP, 5, #218 of 2075 🔗

I would add: the efficacy ought to be presented in terms of absolute risk reduction (rather than relative risk) or, better still, in terms of the actual numbers.

441708 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to SilentP, 17, #219 of 2075 🔗

I have long ago stopped listening to ANYTHING they say! – this is the just fate of the liar, never to be believed again, on anything. I’m long done with trying to pick out threads of truth from the tangle of lies. Far simpler to put ALL of it in my mental trash bin, or to filter it out as ‘spam’ – it’s all corrupted and untrustworthy. I now as a matter of principle refute everything they say- up to and including the existence of such a pathogen as SARS Cov 2, or such a disease as covid-19. I agree with that Italian doctor who said that ‘covid’ is their code for ‘certificate of vaccination and identity’

441848 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 2, #220 of 2075 🔗

Some of the replies to this post both last night and today are justly angry. I do not deny the cause for this, however….

This was broadcast on national TV last night as evidence in support of the vaccination programme by ‘proving’ how effective it has been to date.

This is a key aspect of this whole no-debate.

If what was said can be justified, then that is a significant piece of news on efficacy and something that needs to be taken on board in relation to how to deal with the concerns on safety and coercion etc. NB I am not saying that it changes my views on the latter.

If it cannot be justified then that can be much more significant as a tool to be used to challenge the mainstream messaging.

442304 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to SilentP, 4, #221 of 2075 🔗

From all that I have seen the claim on vaccine efficacy is entirely based on declining case numbers and deaths. And we are supposed to go along with that, as with everything else, without question or evidence.

441571 Anti_socialist, 7, #222 of 2075 🔗

Professor Dolores Cahill (Entire Episode) (1:28:27)

Professor Dolores Cahill is an inventor, founder and shareholder of companies and has been granted and licensed patents in Europe, USA & worldwide.

With applications in improving the early accurate diagnosis of disease including autoimmune diseases and cancer.

Her latest ventures are the World Freedom Alliance and Freedom Airway.

Find out more about Dolores at http://WWW.DOLORESCAHILL.COM

Covering pros & cons of vaccines & treatments for Covid-19 influenza.

441581 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #223 of 2075 🔗

Is Jonathon Barr using an alias ‘ Conor Chaplin ‘ ? Greeted by Handjob (again) when the page loads is FUBAR!

441598 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #224 of 2075 🔗

Don’t care who put Wankok on the front cover, just GET HIM OFF.
When the first thing my bleary eyes behold in the morning is that devil from Hell, it’s not a good start.
Give me the Mekon, the Pukon, the Ravenous Bug-Blatter Beast of Traal (I know where my towel is), the Chief Dalek, the Head Cyberperson, the Beast from Outer Space, an invading Martian, the Monster from Quatermas’s Pit, the Great God Tash, the Eye of Sauron, anything … but not Wankok, that thing of uttermost slime.

442064 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Annie, 6, #225 of 2075 🔗

I agree, I usually read LS while having my breakfast and the last thing I want to see over my cornflakes is Wancock’s hideous visage. If they must put pics up of our enemy at least photoshop something over their faces. I suggest something like this:

442178 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Old Trout, 1, #226 of 2075 🔗

What ever that is, it’s too handsome for Handjob.

441582 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 17, #227 of 2075 🔗

Having clearly read the memo yesterday Jeremy Vine was in full on Brazil Mutant panic mode.
I’m not sure who the lady Expert was but each time JV asked
‘Is it more deadly!/infectious!/vaccine resistant ! ?’

she very carefully said ‘could be’, ‘might do’, ‘we just don’t know’.

I expect Jeremy was quite disappointed.

441607 ▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to karenovirus, 24, #228 of 2075 🔗

Full on also radio4, they were just loving it, the sheer propaganda, the kow towing, the promotion.
I too believe it was due to the millions of people out enjoying the springtime weekend…they weren’t terrified enough.

442321 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to karenovirus, 2, #229 of 2075 🔗

Yep, her deliberately ‘careful’ and non-committal responses were so obvious. As well as the phrases you noted, I noted down “may be the case”, “may be true” “it’s likely”… She was Professor Eleanor Riley, Prof of Immunology at Edinburgh University.

442417 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #230 of 2075 🔗

Thank you, sound lady. Ferguson take note.

443270 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to karenovirus, #231 of 2075 🔗

He was most probably getting rather “excited” under his desk.

441583 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 41, #232 of 2075 🔗

Battle-Weary Peter Hitchens Takes Flak for Jab Decision

He’s now a sceptic in disgrace, he should hang his head in shame & be sent into Coventry, give this collaborator no further platform to demoralize those with the courage to fight.

Message to Toby Young STOP believing vaccines are the route out of Draconian government mitigation of fraudulent pandemics, IT IS NOT!

441587 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, #233 of 2075 🔗

Got you back in credit A_S. Who would have thought?

441964 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #234 of 2075 🔗

Great post!

Hitchens decided too have the jab and that is his right. However he then bleated publicly that he was coerced to take the jab due to the ‘inevitability’ of the vaccine passport. By doing this he is now the spokesman for the government, big pharma and big business to push for the introduction of these passports. Pathetic!

These vaccine passports will only happen if the majority in the UK support it. At this stage they do not

441584 Anti_socialist, 9, #235 of 2075 🔗

Hans Rosling’s Ten Instincts

Alternative 1. Do NOT trust a word technocrats & intellectuals ever say.

441586 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #236 of 2075 🔗

The Mortality Risk of COVID-19 is Dying Out

No evidence it’s due to vaccines, just the opposite according to Joel Smalley

441590 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #237 of 2075 🔗

Explanations of grey, red & pink might help

441591 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, #238 of 2075 🔗

I just copied & pasted.

441644 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, #239 of 2075 🔗

Have you got a link,comrade?

441722 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, #240 of 2075 🔗
441903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Anti_socialist, #241 of 2075 🔗

It was on UK Column of Monday and relates to data for care homes in Scotland. UK Column did not follow their usual practice of providing a link. Maybe we will get more info from them tomorrow?

442669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, #242 of 2075 🔗

Takes them a while to add the links. Here it is: https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1365291159199899651

441588 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #243 of 2075 🔗

RAF Luton posted a tweet earlier about their efforts to enforce social distancing rules. Thankfully, no such air force base exists.

441593 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #244 of 2075 🔗

.

441624 ▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #245 of 2075 🔗

A well aimed half brick could ground that

441631 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Skippy, 9, #246 of 2075 🔗

Not sure Anti_socialist approves of direct action. I, on the other hand, am all for it. Time to start putting glue in keyholes, and sugar in petrol tanks. Civil disobedience, and disruption might be the only way out of this. If not, it’s good training for the coming Resistance.

441635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jinks, 12, #247 of 2075 🔗

It’s not about approval, its just that violence is a gift to the authorities, it gives them carte blanche for greater brutality, there is no worse violence than state violence, they’ve given themselves the right to murder!

Any struggle must avoid violence against the state because it’s doomed to fail. Physical confrontation is futile.

441675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #248 of 2075 🔗

totally agree. I would have no moral scruples whatever about shooting Hancock et al in the face, I could do it in a heartbeat, and wouldn’t feel I had done anything wrong. but if you take a few seconds to consider the likely effects of that, it’s obvious it would be a massive own goal. some other monsters would immediately rise up to take their place, and these ones would be more savage, more brutal. There’s no point in resorting to violence when the other side has the armies, the tanks and the guns. don’t pick a battlefield where you have no chance of winning.

442317 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #249 of 2075 🔗

The other side during WW2 had “the armies, the tanks and the guns,” but various underground resistance groups, like the SOE, were very effective at disruption and sabotage. They were a major irritation and, being mostly invisible, they could seriously unnerve the enemy. I’m not necessarily advocating this but there is more to combat than face to face battlefield fighting.

441691 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #250 of 2075 🔗

Self-defence is NOT violence. And there may well come a day where we may not have a choice. Or, do you think you’re courageous enough to keep “turning the other cheek”, while those around you and you’re nearest and dearest are dragged out one by one? How many will have to die needlessly, because we keep equating violent action with that which keeps us FREE?! If we hadn’t given up our guns, no way would police be now wandering around as paramilitary thugs, enforcing government diktats, and that’s just one of many ways we’ve been disarmed as a nation, education, medical, and corporate tyranny is on our doorsteps. Have fun in the wild, because sooner or later it’ll be coming for you there as well. And, perhaps only then, will you realise.

441712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jinks, 9, #251 of 2075 🔗

I’m not turning cheeks, i’m a pragmatist, fight smart don’t play their game because they make all the rules.

441762 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #252 of 2075 🔗

You neatly side-stepped. Is self-defence violence? Isn’t self-defence pragmatic? Does it not become pragmatic to become offensive in your own defence, when the chips are down ( and they are). BTW, I’ve never played by others rules, only my own.

441777 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jinks, 4, #253 of 2075 🔗

Self-defence is the excuse the government use for brutality. But you don’t need my approval for your conduct. You do what you think is right. I’m not going to get involved in fights I can’t win.

441941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #254 of 2075 🔗

My problem is, I always have. No-one ever fought for my rights, I had to fight for my own, though at times it cost me dear. And in doing so, I learnt the courage to fight for others, also. I’ve challenged groups of men harrasing the homeless, and hitting their wives/girlfriends. I sigle-handedly destroyed the patriarchal authoritarian control that ruled my family. I’ve resisted unlawful arrest and challenged unlawful behaviour by authority. I’m always prepared to lose. You can only be prepared to fight the big battles, if you’re willing to take on the small. The war is long, and the battles lost are numerous. You have already, unknowingly perhaps, lost many. Hate to break it to you, but victory isn’t guaranteed

442191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jinks, 1, #255 of 2075 🔗

Slightly condescending for someone who knows nothing about me, with age comes wisdom, getting physical isn’t always the wisest course of action.

442673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #256 of 2075 🔗

Passive aggressiveness is more effective and doesn’t attract martial law!

442674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cheezilla, #257 of 2075 🔗

I’m good at that.

441901 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Jinks, #258 of 2075 🔗

Not sure whether I’d quite have the nerve to do that personally – but the way they keep upsetting me who knows in the future? But I can promise to do my Three Wise Monkeys act (hear no evil/see no evil/speak no evil).

441676 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #259 of 2075 🔗

Luftwaffe NH90. RAF? Lol.

441753 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #260 of 2075 🔗

Gott strafe England!

441828 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Anti_socialist, #261 of 2075 🔗

A just emblem for the whole corona response – wholly disproportionate.

441592 hail, 5, #262 of 2075 🔗

On quantifying losses from the Corona-Panic. On how much CoronaPanic/Lockdown losses outweigh CoronaVirus losses in “life-years lost” terms:

“All Life-Years Matter” — On the Corona-Panic’s social and economic costs vs. Covid-deaths, an Appeal to the Pro-Panic side

Moral Premise : All human time (“life-years”) has value.

Background : To the extent the “Pro-Panic vs. Anti-Panic” debate on the 2020-21 Wuhan-Coronavirus consists of rational argument (a big qualification), the Pro-Panic side’s Achilles Heel is how easy it is to demonstrate the following Thesis : FAR more life-years are lost to the effects of the Panic and Response than to the Virus , and it’s not even close.

Problem : The concepts of “life-years” (against “lives”), and “lost life-years,” “life-years lost to the effects of the Corona-Panic and Lockdowns,” and “life-year-equivalents lost” to the same, are either not understood, or not believed, or not appreciated, by many on the Pro-Panic side. The argument, when made directly, is often less-than-compelling to Pro-Panic and Neutrals. Why? [….]

https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2021/02/26/all-life-years-matter-on-the-corona-panics-social-and-economic-costs-vs-covid-deaths-in-life-years-lost-terms/

441594 Bungle, 9, #263 of 2075 🔗

We really must focus on lockdown/narrative scepticism and get away from climate change, woke & left/right stuff. We come to support each other, to attack the murderous narrative and spread good news. The best thing we do, however, is promote effective action like A_Ss suggestion to cutoff completely for one day, 21st March.

There are 2 big things we can do this week: write to schools about masks – I’ll have an edited version of the big legal letter ready for you by Thursday. The second is ‘Resistance Day ‘this Saturday -just get friends to turn up unmasked at your local supermarket at 9 am and film any harassment. Remember, the law is simple – they are not allowed to ask you about masks and if they do it twice, they commit a criminal offence. 1997 Harassment Act.

441595 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 38, #264 of 2075 🔗

The polls in communist East Germany always said that the leaders were extremely popular and much loved by the people

441604 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 26, #265 of 2075 🔗

No doubt the polls in Romania said the same.
Danton, who so successfully advocated being ‘atrocious’, believed himself to be the untouchable idol of the people, until the people’s guillotine cut off his popular head.
Beware the savagery of the sheeple. They’ll bleat you to death in the end.

441599 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 69, #266 of 2075 🔗

Woke up with the chilling realisation that masks are paving the way for digital IDs. Why are our “leaders” (abusers) so manic about us wearing masks. We know they don’t do anything to stop a virus spreading and THEY know that, too. It must be to condition us into having no facial features offering our identification, only a digital ID. And all these tests? Paving the way for regular testing to check if you’re “healthy”… all linked to your digital ID. Doctors and nurses coming to your HOUSE to administer injections when there is zero chance of a GP in-person appointment? Desperation to get these drugs into people. Nothing to do with inoculating them, just normalising this process. This is so sinister. The UN Agenda 2030 states, as one of its goals, the eradication of HIV, TB, malaria and all communicable diseases. Who allowed that to be written? That is mad. Disease is part of being human. That’s an insane, arrogant “playing God” attitude. Is that what this is all about? Injecting everyone, testing them, and then claiming to have rid the world of all diseases? This is insanity! But if they have signed up to it, it would explain everything. Why our MPs have turned into zombies. Why the world seems to have gone mad. Why no one is listening. Stop the world, I want to get off!

441601 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #267 of 2075 🔗

I said “stop talking about woke” and the first word you use is ‘woke’. I then realised you mean you are no longer asleep so I’m giving you a tick. Wish others would wake up also!!!

441606 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bungle, 36, #268 of 2075 🔗

Woke up in both senses! Also realised it is the “climate emergency” pushing all this madness… this is how they are justifying it to themselves. Must remove all human rights while we “save the planet” because they’ve been spooked and brainwashed into believing the planet will be destroyed in 20 years. No… the planet will look after itself. The human race will be destroyed. And not because Grandma put the wrong plastic in the recycling bin, but because they are messing with humanity. We have to survive this. The lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum!

441618 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 1, #269 of 2075 🔗

I said “stop talking about woke”

Who are you to dictate what others talk about? Like I give a toss you agree with me or not wolfy.

441652 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #270 of 2075 🔗

ooooh!

441711 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 2, #271 of 2075 🔗

I’m fed-up of you telling me you approve or disapprove of my politics, i’m not in the mood.

441838 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 55, #272 of 2075 🔗

Part of your comment :
Doctors and nurses coming to your HOUSE to administer injections
To my amazement and disgust , and not a little apprehension, I witnessed this on BBC NW last night . Teams of vaccinators going down streets in Oldham, where the Asian population have been reluctant to submit to vaccination , knocking on every door to calll the inhabitants out for vaccination. They filmed an elderly asian man , clearly bemused and apparently frightened, being cross examined about vaccination until he admitted to the process.
It was one of the most appalling scenes in the current monstrous affair , and the BBC reporters were jubilant and gloating over the intimidation .
I really hate my country now.

441918 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to mikewaite, 14, #273 of 2075 🔗

Mygawd – even bullying very publicly on camera. I’m glad I don’t watch the mainstream news. That episode would have sickened me – and my tv might not still be in one piece after me throwing something at it. Me being me – it’s a pity I wasn’t in that street at that time – or you’d all know my face by now – as I’d have belted over and done my best to stand up for that poor man directly.
Hmmm….which brings me neatly to a thought I’ve just had – having bought a whistle that I’ve got neatly sitting by my phone in case of persistent unwanted callers (eg the NHS hassling me to have the vax) – then the thought is now there in my mind “That’s not the only use that whistle might have” and perhaps we should all carry whistles round on us in case we need to call out bad behaviour – loudly.

442104 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to mikewaite, 12, #274 of 2075 🔗

That’s horrific. I suggest to everyone don’t ever answer your door to anyone who isn’t expected/doesn’t have an appointment.

441602 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 25, #275 of 2075 🔗

The government are clearly doing a wonderful job with the vaccines and that must be the explanation for the low death rate in the UK – it’s clearly nothing to do with spring coming or group immunity !

Just one little problem – the death rate is about the same in our close neighbours (see below). But the great thing is the government will never let their explanation be distorted by a few inconvenient facts !

441605 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Laurence, 14, #276 of 2075 🔗

L, the darkest 13 weeks of the year finished on Feb 5th and the lightest 13 will start on May 5/6, give or take. Is this important to sceptics? I think so because government will tell you that Spring starts on March 21st and give your kids a Summer holiday at the beginning of Autumn so they can help with the harvest. Follow the creatures, your observations and the data, not the lying manipulative government. Daffs are out and some black-headed gulls actually have black heads, breeding plumage. Get your kids out, enjoying the Spring and ignoring government and police totalitarianism! Teach them basic research by using their eyes and brains!

441681 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Laurence, 12, #277 of 2075 🔗

Why do we have a bigger winter hump than our neighbours though? What have we done differently? 🤔

Now what COULD it be?

441854 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to sophie123, 2, #278 of 2075 🔗

https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1365291159199899651 “18th Dec – ENG 80+ in the community 27th Dec – SCO care homes 8th Jan – ENG care homes 10th Jan – SCO 80+ in the community Vaccination data is just coincidental*. *Correlation does not equal causation.”

441907 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to swedenborg, #279 of 2075 🔗

‘Page doesn’t exist’.

442030 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to swedenborg, #280 of 2075 🔗

Here it is:
https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1365291159199899651
As often, Swedeneborg (otherwise immaculate) has an extra letter or two after the website address so it doesn’t load.

442697 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Laurence, #281 of 2075 🔗

I would suggest the most obvious inconvenient fact is the huge peak on that UK curve compared with the others.

441608 Annie, replying to Annie, 16, #282 of 2075 🔗

Look at this to see that Toronto wants to do to children
who have been sent home from school because some kid has tested positive.Not children who have tested positive themselves.Not, needless to say, children who are ill. But children as young as four .

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441613 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 23, #283 of 2075 🔗

That is HORRIFIC CHILD ABUSE! “Stay in a separate room” !!!! Wtf?! This must be challenged. Vile!

441633 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #284 of 2075 🔗

Just how are they going to enforce that ?

441682 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to karenovirus, 4, #285 of 2075 🔗

Or, let’s be honest, any of this – they’ve scared people into compliance and are hoping they’ll police themselves.

441654 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 6, #286 of 2075 🔗

Let’s make sure anyone doing or even advocating it here is severely challenged.

441669 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Bungle, 6, #287 of 2075 🔗

Sounds like they would be severely challenged already. Mentally and emotionally, that is.

441684 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to disgruntled246, 3, #288 of 2075 🔗

Ignoring them would probably be best. Challenging anyone so severely deficient, is akin to having a pigeon as your oppenent in a game of chess.

442708 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #289 of 2075 🔗

And use a separate bathroom. Where do these privileged dictators live? They have no idea!

Note asymptomatic kids are isolated while their parents keep going to work.

441619 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 6, #290 of 2075 🔗

The children are ALWAYS the real target!

441632 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 4, #291 of 2075 🔗

‘Dismissed from school’.
Charming use of words.

441687 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Annie, 7, #292 of 2075 🔗

No way I would do that to my kids. I am a mother, not a jailer.

442088 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Annie, 7, #293 of 2075 🔗

It’s utter bullshit. The middle and right columns are self-contradictory. Why would a sibling have to stay home but an adult can go to work? My own son had his class sent home in October due to some infinitesimally small possibility that he had been in contact with another child who had tested positive. Needless to say he was never symptomatic and we never followed the advice in the first column.

And I agree it is child abuse. What child is going to stay 2 m or more from their parents for 10 days? I would also add that separate rooms assumes a lot on the part of the people who make up this shit.

442122 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Annie, 3, #294 of 2075 🔗

Forced imprisonment for children as young as 4! But the most horrific thing about it is that some people will actually follow these rules.

441614 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 32, #295 of 2075 🔗

Our real fight is not against lockdowns, or masks, or vaccines… it’s against digital IDs. We must turn our attention to this and stop this NOW!

441617 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #296 of 2075 🔗

Whilst not 100% in agreement, yes you’re right, it’s why the likes of Hitchens are such a disappointment I hope & pray TY isn’t going the same way. But don’t become complacent about lockdowns don’t allow them to make it an either or debate blackmailed into accepting one with the threat of the other, like Hitchens caved into.

441621 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #297 of 2075 🔗

Not complacent at ALL! Completely oppose all of it. Just pointing out that they are all mean to an end… which is digital IDs. I’m in complete panic. I see it all now. All their “track and trace” and “online menus” in restaurants. Just REFUSE to totally digitise you’re life. “I’m on a digital detox”. Leave home without your smart phone. Resist the digitisation of our lives.

441630 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 23, #298 of 2075 🔗

I’m prepared for the long fight against the inevitable social credit system. I am prepared to take it to the extreme & homelessness living free in the wild.

I”m not joking, my sense of freedom & autonomy is far more important than modern comfort & social conformity!

I’m deadly serious, NO surrender EVER!

441659 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #299 of 2075 🔗

Do you know about the Scottish bothy system?

441700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 4, #300 of 2075 🔗

I’m already halfway there I live in the highlands 😉

441660 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #301 of 2075 🔗

can i come and live in the wild with you? we can set up a little commune

441667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #302 of 2075 🔗

Do you know Jane?

441892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #303 of 2075 🔗

i’ll come – i have a campervan and i’m wondering where i can go to escape the nightmare!

441690 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #304 of 2075 🔗

Well let me know where we are going. I know many who are joining us. Who feel EXACTLY the same way. What a party!

441986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #305 of 2075 🔗

21st March, when we are not using digital stuff. Glen Feshie (hint, hint, hint) or whatever is convenient for you.

441657 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 25, #306 of 2075 🔗

The conditioning has been taking place.NHS app was the precursor for the vaccine passport.The temperature scanners are to condition us for the inevitable chip that we be forced to receive.
We have until the end of summer to stop this before there is a critical mass of vaccinated people who will clamour to be protected from the unvaccinated.The big battle will be for the children.

441689 ▶▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 10, #307 of 2075 🔗

Yes. The lawyers need to step up and speak out. Human rights groups. ANY MPs with a conscience.

441702 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 26, #308 of 2075 🔗

I agree. We have been buttered up for this for many years and the majority have fallen for it. I have always been contrary and questioned a lot of things that just don’t seem ‘right’ to me: mass screening of the well (been done for many years but at its apogee right now); anything prefixed with the word ‘smart’ (it’s usually the exact opposite); even things as seemingly innocuous as direct debits are anathema to me (I really don’t like the idea of someone having the ability to take whatever they want out of my bank account). I am currently reappraising everything and trying to reclaim control of my life.

441626 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 34, #309 of 2075 🔗

Totally agree with your earlier sentiments. But think the emphasis should be on tackling the steps in this process one at a time ,yielding inch by inch .
The big prize now for both sides is the vax. If enough people take it we are stuffed.
The main battle is to prevent this happening and we need to endeavour to persuade as many as possible to avoid the vax . For people on here or Middle England who think it will let them travel , forget it . It’s not going to happen like that, and why would you have it before the vax passes were up and running, you may be having it for no good reason , why jump the gun .

If the many take it then the id agenda will steamroller through .

This is why just concentrating on Lockdown is wilfully miss guided , and one has to be suspicious of the likes of Hitchens and the operators of this site for peddling the idea that if we want our freedom back we just need to take a little dose, so easy , what’s the fuss. The vaccine implementation is the key move for the govts.
once people accept regular unquestioned medical intervention by govt. mandate the gateway to totalitarian future is open , and with that the end of any kind of personal autonomy as we understand it.

441646 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bill Grates, 9, #310 of 2075 🔗

Many who will have the experimental jab, and/or their families will also come on board, once the damage done by it, will become too obvious to ignore.

441662 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bill Grates, 5, #311 of 2075 🔗

Correct, the narrative is the enemy.

441686 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bungle, 4, #312 of 2075 🔗

The narrative is the enemy! VERY GOOD. Stealing and spreading that!!

441843 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Bill Grates, #313 of 2075 🔗

Spot on.

442143 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Bill Grates, 8, #314 of 2075 🔗

Excellent post. I do think the main thing we can do to fight against everything that is happening at the moment is NOT to take the ‘vax.’ While I am not going to condemn those who have already done so, I do feel disappointed that some have given in too soon. Vax passports are a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the majority take the vax then they are much more likely to happen. If a substantial number hold out we will make it much harder for them to go through.

441637 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 28, #315 of 2075 🔗

Take heart from the large numbers of normal people who ignored the spirit of lockdown by gathering in large numbers in public open spaces last weekend.

Police reaction seems to have been mixed. I reported locally of gatherings on sunny Friday, Local Live (mirror group news) reported only on Sunday that ‘Police cleared the area at 5pm’.
Or perhaps the crowds just went home for tea since it was getting chilly.

441641 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to karenovirus, 3, #316 of 2075 🔗

Hunting in packs, once the herd this out.

441656 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to karenovirus, 16, #317 of 2075 🔗

Or perhaps the crowds just went home for tea since it was getting chilly.”

yes! again doing something that was happening anyway and trying to take credit – like flattening the curve

442037 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 2, #318 of 2075 🔗

I think that scene in the park is a million miles away from what is being discussed. People will have told themselves a nice little story that such an act was okay.

They’ll continue to tell themselves whatever story will allow themselves a quiet life

441615 Stephensceptic, replying to Stephensceptic, 49, #319 of 2075 🔗

The article by Alastair Cavendish sums things up well.

What is happening is simply evil.

The challenge is that, as we see in history, evil is often deeply popular at the time.

It is not seen for what it is. People instead see themselves as being “protected”.

441668 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Stephensceptic, 18, #320 of 2075 🔗

Hitler did not create antisemitism in 1930s Germany, he reflected sentiment that was already endemic among many Germans both historically and among the many millions who had been exposed to the Jews of Poland and Russia living in sub human conditions and thus appearing to be untermensch.
One reason why his evil was so readily accepted.

441678 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, 10, #321 of 2075 🔗

Correct, that’s why the media had little trouble getting their lies about JC accepted so easily by the British public who are basically conservative which means they cannot see that their group actions can change things for the better. This also explains why we would be no better off with a Labour government as they appear to be kowtowing to the brain dead even more than the Tories.

441763 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Bungle, 6, #322 of 2075 🔗

The charge of anti-semitism for JC based on a Facebook comment about a mural was hilarious and desperate.

442948 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #323 of 2075 🔗

Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni “Anti-semitic”, “its a trick we always use it”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

441764 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 5, #324 of 2075 🔗

Believe it or not, but I regularly listen to George Galloway (keep your enemy close) he was satirically calling labour right wing & conservatives left wing Sunday, first time i’ve agreed with him since brexit.

441773 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #325 of 2075 🔗

I’ve agreed with a lot of his anti-war articles. Very well written and researched.

441832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 4, #326 of 2075 🔗

He often makes sense, it’s a shame it’s tainted with socialism, LOL but he was a horrible lockdown zealot, at first, but i’ve noted a little covid scepticism in his eyes of late.

441881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #327 of 2075 🔗

Also crawling around on all fours on national TV……

441648 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 30, #328 of 2075 🔗

The herd is definitely getting restless. More and more BTL comments on media articles show many are now questioning the narrative and the end-game. Not enough yet, but there are positive signs. Next few weeks remain critical as BoJo and Wancock try to drag the charade out long enough to get the jab into more and more unsuspecting sheep before they realise they’ve been had. Maximum prssure now guys. Use every available social media tool you have to keep the message going that we’re all being lied to.

441653 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bigade, 11, #329 of 2075 🔗

I don’t know when they think their jabathon will be done. I’m 50 and haven’t been asked yet. Do they want to keep us locked down until they’ve done the newborns? At what point will they say we’ve done enough – may as well open up, we have nothing left in the toolbox?

441673 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to steve_w, 7, #330 of 2075 🔗

Then they have to start again for jabs for new variants – it’s like painting the Forth bridge.. but remember they haven’t quite trashed our economy yet so no end in sight (aka ever)..

441674 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to steve_w, 10, #331 of 2075 🔗

Everyone in my close family have been offered one, apart from my son and I. Even my OH and daughter. Only my mum and dad are 50+. If it weren’t for the fact my OH is white, I’d have assumed it was because the BAME community was being targeted. So maybe, the take-up is so terrible around here, invites are being sent out willy-nilly.

441685 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jinks, 9, #332 of 2075 🔗

That’s terrible. I don’t mind rushing out a vaccine if they cost/benefit and do the vulnerable – where appropriate – and by fully informed consent (hard to do with a mainly untested vaccine). But rushing out a vaccine and giving it to everyone is asking for trouble – ‘Children of Men’ territory.

441733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to steve_w, 4, #333 of 2075 🔗

Stop expecting healing from any of these organisations, which are deliberately destroying natural health, so that forever else, humanity will suckle on the teat, of whatever poison it has been decreed, will be your current saviour, alongside your daily allowance of synthetic food.

441738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jinks, 5, #334 of 2075 🔗

I keep chickens – I’ll be fine 🙂

441754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to steve_w, 6, #335 of 2075 🔗

And then they came for the chickens……

441758 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jinks, 3, #336 of 2075 🔗

to be honest they already came for the chickens. My chickens have been self-isolating since before xmas due to the new avian flu. They aren’t allowed to wander about the garden and have to have bird netting covering their home and run. It’s quite annoying. Not my decision and I don’t know what the fines are

441879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to steve_w, 3, #337 of 2075 🔗

I know that probably wasn’t supposed to be funny, but LOL!
On a more serious note, self-sufficiency is being seriously targeted, for nation States as well the individual, with the intention of destroying all independence. The original Omen trilogy is awash with predictive programming on how it’s planned to achieve this, especially the final film.

441664 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Bigade, 13, #338 of 2075 🔗

Currently AZ are not being paid during the pandemic, but they have it written into their contract that they get to call the pandemic over after July 1st, in order to get paid. So the government definitely has that in view as a deadline to get all of their nefarious shit done by then, including getting all of the jabs done. It shouldn’t surprise anyone though that a bunch of useless civil servants are woefully behind schedule, despite all of the victory laps they seem to be doing in the media.

441670 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #339 of 2075 🔗

Interesting – are they just selling at cost?

441696 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to steve_w, 4, #340 of 2075 🔗

The undeestanding is that they are selling, “not for profit”. Of course, that may still mean that they are including r&d costs in the price tag.

441701 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #341 of 2075 🔗

I suppose they are expecting to make money from the 6-monthly updates everyone will have to have forever

441741 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to steve_w, 3, #342 of 2075 🔗

I don’t think so, I saw a price of £36 a shot quoted, which must include recovery of R&D cost. They are just working on deffered payment. As I understand it, the mRNA treatment is not an expensive process to create.

441827 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 1, #343 of 2075 🔗

I think I heard on R4 yesterday that they are paid ‘at vost’ until the Pandemic is declared over.

441877 ▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to karenovirus, #344 of 2075 🔗

Sorry, yes, my bad. It was an FT article, they are operating ‘at cost’, but after July 1st they have a contractural right to declare the pandemic over and jack the price up.

442290 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #345 of 2075 🔗

Not ‘bad’ at all GS, I only heard it in the background while driving. Did not pick up if they said about AZ deciding when the Pandemic was over so they could bump up the price.

441666 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bigade, 15, #346 of 2075 🔗

Unfortunately, even if this shitshow finishes tomorrow, this blueprint will be used again and again. Just witness past attempts to generate the same hysterical fear previously with other overblown “viruses”. the grip of big pharma/croney corporatism and corrupt governments must be broken, if we are to have any hope of autonomy.

441672 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Jinks, 16, #347 of 2075 🔗

It is only finished once their grip has been broken, once those responsible have been prosecuted for their crimes against humanity and it has been made as clear as can be that government cannot infringe upon the liberty of the people whatever the crisis.

441680 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Bigade, 19, #348 of 2075 🔗

Sadly I do not see this. I think mask compliance is a good indicator of where we are heading. Its all very well that someone expresses doubt and anger on a daily mail comment section but if that does not translate into even the first step towards fighting for their own liberty – which is to ditch the mask then it is inconsequential.

What I see is total mask compliance. Not just total mask compliance the willingness to go above and beyond in service to these tyrants is also evident as outside masking has been steadily growing and from what I have seen is about 50%-75% now.

The people appear to love obeying these tyrants. The only positive I can see in this is that the vast majority absolutely deserve everything they have brought upon themselves.

441697 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #349 of 2075 🔗

Where do you live?

In my village on the Northants/Rutland border it is only the inmates of the home for people with Prader-Willi syndrome and their carers who wear masks outside, and I doubt the poor sods have any choice.

441736 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Ossettian, 7, #350 of 2075 🔗

Kent.

Where I live neighbours wear a mask to visit their front garden, most the people that walk past are wearing a mask and even cyclists have them. It is painful to see.

442735 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Saved To Death, #351 of 2075 🔗

Perfectly sane where I live. Masks in shops only – and not 100%.

442552 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Ossettian, #352 of 2075 🔗

In my village we get hoards of people at weekends, a lot with masks walking in the countryside and clogging up the tiny roads. Leicestershire/Market Harborough.

442573 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Saved To Death, #353 of 2075 🔗

My observations on mask wearing in and around Derby are in round figures about 95% in shops, 40% outside in shopping streets, 20% outside away from shops. Working backwards, that suggests 20% are scaredy-cats or virtue-signallers, a further 20% aren’t much bothered either way, and 55% wear them in shops because they think it’s the law.

442825 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Saved To Death, -1, #354 of 2075 🔗

The problem with too many lockdown sceptics is that misanthropy is just below the surface. An MSM attack on “anti-Vaxxers” gave a little glossary of typical words used, and one of them was “sheeple”. Most people do somewhat believe what they are told, but that is the nature of propaganda and the MSM control of most media. Collapsing into “most people but me are fools, so screw them” is not a good response. Nor are wacky theories like the complete non-existence of viruses, because supposedly Louis Pasteur lied about it.

441849 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Bigade, 8, #355 of 2075 🔗

Exactly!! And understand the psy op that is coming our way, too. Videos of police arresting people for buying coffee “too far from their home” is BULLSHIT! Designed to frighten.

441658 PastImperfect, 9, #356 of 2075 🔗

Common purpose. School for petty Hitlers, and more?

Understanding Common Purpose | Common Purpose Exposed (cpexposed.com)

441661 Julian, replying to Julian, 20, #357 of 2075 🔗

Update on The Coronavirus Act 2020 is Null and Void!

To our Wonderful Supporters,

We are delighted to announce that, in addition to our existing Case that we are still robustly fighting, we have now launched a SECOND CASE calling for a Judicial Review against yet more of the illegal Coronavirus Regulations imposed by this Government of Occupation!

We are also delighted to announce that we have been joined by new Claimants, Paul Henderson and his company, The Porky Pint Ltd. As a Publican, Paul has been very badly affected by the illegal Coronavirus Regulations and to add insult to injury has even been unjustly issued with a £1,000 fixed penalty notice with not even a right of appeal! This was by the morons at Stockton-on-Tees Council under the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations SI 2020/1374. As is typical of the people of the councils and police enforcing this lunacy, they have their jobs and incomes and obviously do not care about the effect this is having on their own communities and the businesses that pay the taxes that keep them in their jobs!

Our new Case challenges the Coronavirus Regulations from the Constitutional aspect and one very important fundamental principle is that a Constitutional Statute, such as the Human Rights Act 1998, cannot be implied to have been repealed by Secondary Legislation, as is happening repeatedly. This cannot be permitted for any reason, including the claim of a so-called pandemic. These Regulations are unlawful and the people enforcing them are acting unlawfully. We are also challenging the Regulations making protest illegal, again, this is a Constitutional right that cannot be legislated against. We are further challenging Travel Regulations including over denying Rights that are guaranteed by the Human Rights Act. We are also challenging the Government over the disregard of the legal authority set by the Lisbon Court over the failure of the RT-PCR test. These tests are currently keeping us subject to tyranny and have been proven to be false and now this has been upheld by a Court.

These are just some examples from the challenge we are pursuing against the Government. Our futures are at stake here and this only ends when we force it to end. Full details of the new Case will be posted soon.

It is more important than ever that people get to know about our legal action and it would be amazing if you could:

Thank you again for your help in our fight against Government tyranny and oppression. Together we can break down ‘Gates of Hell’, defeat the Dictators and take our lives and freedom back!

441808 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Julian, 1, #358 of 2075 🔗

I’m getting the message that your ”page is not found”. Can you recheck your link??

442581 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, #360 of 2075 🔗

Is this a different Julian from the usual one? The style of writing seems different.

441677 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #361 of 2075 🔗

Disappointed in Mr H. Not for taking the jab – that’s his choice. But his defeatist, yellow-bellied justification was unnecessary.

Anyway, Julia Hartley-Brewer has been quietly leading the charge for some weeks now.

441683 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Tom Blackburn, 15, #362 of 2075 🔗

I am more disappointed he gives credence to the government funded fake polls as any sort of guide to real public opinion.

441688 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to nottingham69, 9, #363 of 2075 🔗

After years of explaining that they are a means to influence public opinion not measure it.

441694 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to nottingham69, 9, #364 of 2075 🔗

Polls are just means to manufacture consent for what ever comes next in their agenda, it’s just a manipulative tool.

441693 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #365 of 2075 🔗

She’ll be the next collaborator, then wonder why politicians haven’t given back any freedoms we allowed them to take. To sell your children’s health & future for a trip abroad is embarrassing.

It is exactly at times like this human rights laws need robust & uncompromising defence. Hitchens for all his anti-communist, rhetoric caved in at the first test! And no one claim he stood up when it mattered in March 2020, because that’s not when it really mattered. It’s now our human rights & international law is being abused, shame on him & all those that follow him.

441705 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #366 of 2075 🔗

She’s strongly against mandatory anything, including passports, even though she’s completely jab-happy about this experimental biological agent that only has authorisation for emergency use. Be interesting to see what happens going forward.

441724 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jinks, 3, #367 of 2075 🔗

That’s her choice, too.

441751 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #368 of 2075 🔗

Yes it is, but she never mentions the fact that it is ONLY authorised for emergency use. Or the liability exemption enjoyed by big pharma. Or the fact that the INITIAL trials won’t be completed till 2023, and everyone subjecting themselves to it are guinea pigs.Or the fact you have to be at least 60% damaged by the jab, and report the damage within 60 days of receiving the experimental jab to claim any compensation, paid for by the taxpayer, as well funding all care going forward. That’s also her (disingenuous) choice. I’m just glad that she’s at least against any mandatory authorisation.

441938 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #369 of 2075 🔗

But his defeatist, yellow-bellied justification was unnecessary.

Agree. Yes it is Hitchen’s right to take the vaccine, but to then publicly declare that he was coerced into getting it because of the ‘inevitability’ of the vaccine passport, is pathetic.

By doing this he is a spokesman for the government, pharma and big business agenda

443399 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 1, #370 of 2075 🔗

Exactly – and therefore a traitor to the cause, having delivered a great victory to the enemies of our freedom.

443396 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tom Blackburn, #371 of 2075 🔗

Has she? She was spreading a lot of pro-vax lies a while back (it’s safe, it’s been properly tested, it is the route out of lockdown)? Has she had a change of heart.

441692 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #372 of 2075 🔗

Worth repeating from last night, and should really be above the line. A summary of the findings so far from Reiner Fuellmich’s investigations into the events of the past year

https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/tag/panic-paper/?fbclid=IwAR2sINgnUqXhflIaU766z223m4DgFQeQHChmXrEh7NFl7a1Ocw-sK6U5Hcw

441783 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #373 of 2075 🔗

Your second link is the most important thing that has ever been on this site. Reiner is worth all of the rest of us put together. Spread his work as far as you can,everyone,please!!!

441851 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bungle, 1, #374 of 2075 🔗

Forwarded it to the editors for inclusion ATL

441868 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Bungle, 25, #375 of 2075 🔗

Completely agree Bungle.

If Reiner Fuellmich wins this case, the PCR test becomes null and void. This means no country can ask for a negative PCR test for travel. It also shows asymptomatic transmission is bollocks, as the argument for this in the first place came from the twatty Droesten who proclaimed it was possible after reading about a woman on the internet. This woman was said to have travelled from wuhan to a car factory in Germany (I think) where loads came down with the virus. It was claimed she had no symptoms hence the asymptomatic claim. HOWEVER she was heavily taking flu medication (which you wouldn’t do if you had no symptoms). Droesten never even met this woman, but the whole world took his word and uses it for propaganda on asymptomatic spread.

In addition to this class action, which by the way will allow everyone who has suffered financially from the PCR induced lockdowns to claim compensation, I think he will be taking further legal action regarding the vaccines.

Having now spent a few days watching and reading the evidence given to Reiner, I believe there is so much evidence of criminal activity and crimes against humanity but in regard of the vaccines, that he will go full force against these too. They have been horrified by the findings. One quote was that if they didn’t move fast to stop this “there will be no Israelies left”.

Those here that are feeling pressure to take the vaccine, especially to travel, should bear this in mind. I think this whole thing could come down like a pack of cards if Reiner proves/wins his cases. If you can just wait, not take the vaccine, it could be the best decision you ever made.

443264 ▶▶▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Redundant Pilot, #376 of 2075 🔗

How long will this take though??? And ok, if PCR test gets blown out of water can they not just switch to lateral flow test instead??? Key thing is for him to add in case against vaccine and kill that thing dead.

441695 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #377 of 2075 🔗

My son and daughter in law are currently living and working in Africa and there is already talk of getting ‘vaccinations’ out to them so that they will be allowed back into the UK for visits without the need for Quarantine hotels/self isolation. I am guessing that this will be the first way it works, for UK people working overseas who need to come back the the UK, either have a free ‘whats the problem?’ jab or pay £2000 for 2 weeks imprisonment in a crummy hotel.

441709 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #378 of 2075 🔗

What’s the problem? The prospect that we will learn over the next 5 years what damage this filthy injection will cause. My son and his pregnant Mexican wife are in Fiji – fortunately she has assured everyone that she will not accept this filth!

441982 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Bungle, 9, #379 of 2075 🔗

Yes even if I wanted to travel I would not be coerced in to taking the snakeoil until we know for sure what the rules are going to be. Also the ones that are offered now won’t be any use for travel passports you will need to have the up and coming new less specific versions that ‘work’ against the joke variants.
I will never have it voluntarily. My partner got jabbed last night despite my best efforts to put him off. He was hounded into it by his mum and brother and sister. I’m struggling to talk to him today! I know . That’s not very nice of me!

441748 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #380 of 2075 🔗

How do you know the EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS will allow them access?

The gov’t of occupation may keep diapers, distancing, quarantine camps….no one knows.

Drugs macht frei has not worked out. 95% of over 80s are jabbed, yet supposedly in Feb 14 K died…why and how? Or did they die from the drugs?

441779 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to FerdIII, 3, #381 of 2075 🔗

They are bound to move the goalposts let’s face it.

442312 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #382 of 2075 🔗

Even the quarantine is dubious. It was successfully challenged in the Netherlands that to prevent a citizen cannot be prevented in such a way from returning home. Wake up to your rights

441698 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 4, #383 of 2075 🔗

Morning all, going to be. a SLIGHT delay in the next podcast mainly because we’re waiting to see what Rishi says.

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/8013036-ep-21-the-rocky-road

Have a great, boring day.

441699 phil4nthrope, replying to phil4nthrope, 11, #384 of 2075 🔗

I’m very concerned that we’re going to be whittled away into nothing as people capitulate to social pressure to take the vaccine and so implicitly buy into the govt justifications for it, as well as deciding “I’m alright other people should just cooperate as well”
Might be time to consider how we can make it look like we’ve been jabbed, hell it’ll be far from the first “illegal” thing I’ve done in the last 12 months

441707 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to phil4nthrope, 17, #385 of 2075 🔗

My vaccine-fanatic mother texted last night ‘only 9 weeks til my second jab – by then you’ll have had your first’. I said I was donating mine to an African

441719 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to phil4nthrope, 33, #386 of 2075 🔗

One of the many things I find repugnant about all this is how complete strangers seem to think it is acceptable to ask me if I am getting the injection. I find it as intrusive a question as I would if someone had asked me whether I was planning on having a smear test.

My Brazilian friend came up with the perfect riposte (to someone who badgered him in Tesco’s for not wearing a mask): “are you my doctor?”

441776 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to kh1485, 14, #387 of 2075 🔗

Somebody suggested the other day asking the inquisitor whether they had had some embarrassing condition or other, and when they were shocked saying well you started it by asking about my medical history.

441952 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #388 of 2075 🔗

LOL – I coulda waited before I put my response in LOL. That was me yer honour that said that.

442602 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to disgruntled246, #389 of 2075 🔗

I’d be tempted to ask “And how long’s your penis?” to a male inquisitor or something even more intimate to a female, were it not that my motives might be misinterpreted.

441782 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to kh1485, 10, #390 of 2075 🔗

I was going to say the same, when anyone asks me about the jab, I feel like saying its none of your fucking business. I don’t ask anyone what medication they are on or what health issues they have.

441949 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 11, #391 of 2075 🔗

Nah nah kh1485 – even “stronger” imo to ask them if they’ve ever had an STD. Should be particularly appropriate to very conventionally-minded married middle-aged women (as it would outrage them so much to be asked a question that implied they had a …hmmm….free & easy sexlife – when they want to be seen as pillars of the community abiding by all conventional standards).

441963 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to ElizaP, 2, #392 of 2075 🔗

Oh, I’d just love to do that 😉

442376 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to kh1485, 8, #393 of 2075 🔗

It actually worked in our ‘united’ favour yesterday. A complete stranger asked me as we chatted if I’d had the vaccine “yet” …you know, the automatic assumption that we are all gagging for it. Other than being offended that she was putting me in a certain age group (quite accurately as it happens 🙂 ) I thought it was worth exploiting the question. So I shook my head with a sharp intake of breath and said “No way”. She was inquisitive to know why not so I told her! She was genuinely interested and listened intently, saying that she hadn’t realised most of what I told her. I doubt she will decline any invitation to be jabbed but at least it’s sowing seeds of doubt. So I see being asked as an opportunity to spread knowledge.

441721 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to phil4nthrope, 4, #394 of 2075 🔗

Hold firm. They haven’t even announced how they are going to reorder society yet.

441768 ▶▶▶ phil4nthrope, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #395 of 2075 🔗

No fear, I’ve always been stubborn haha. Just thinking about contingency plans

441746 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to phil4nthrope, 11, #396 of 2075 🔗

It is NOT A VACCINE. This is the issue. THEY OFFER EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS WHOSE TRIALS END IN 2023, UNTESTED EVEN ON ANIMALS.

Add in thousands dead and injured from them. Nary a mention from the Covidian Fascists or the Occupation-Government, certainly little from Fake News.

Experimental RNA changing your Genomic software, in your 99.7% effective immune systems is not a vaccine. DO NOT LET THE IDIOTS CONFLATE FLU WITH SMALLPOX, THE 2 HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON.

441767 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to FerdIII, 9, #397 of 2075 🔗

But it has been tested on animals in the past. Very unsuccesfully.

442023 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to phil4nthrope, 7, #398 of 2075 🔗

If transgingers can self identify as the opposite sex then you can self identify as someone who has had the jab
Trans-vaccinated

441703 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 14, #399 of 2075 🔗

South Dakota looks nice. Lots of space. Less people than Buckinghamshire

441739 ▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 1, #400 of 2075 🔗

Very hard to emigrate to the US sadly

441745 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Julian, 2, #401 of 2075 🔗

Not if you are Black or Muslim or Mexican. Quite easy. Includes walking across the border as well.

441756 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 4, #402 of 2075 🔗

No Biden wants 11 million illegal immigrants, i’m guessing they won’t be vaccinated first if they’re entering illegally.

442494 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to steve_w, 1, #403 of 2075 🔗

Lovely weather in Pierre for the next 10 days – 16 degrees and clear blue skies. For the winter a Freedom Air flight to Florida sounds good.

441710 Awkward Git, 8, #404 of 2075 🔗

Done some digging over the weekend about Study PF-07302048 and found the documents attached with links here:

https://extranet.who.int/pqweb/sites/default/files/documents/TAG-EUL_PublicReport_BioNTech_DEC20.pdf

https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/338096/WHO-2019-nCoV-vaccines-SAGE_evaluation-BNT162b2-2020.1-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2020/11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020_Pfizer_BioNTech.pdf

The UK Government’s Public Assessment Report for the Pfizer “vaccine” this study is described as:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963928/UKPAR_COVID_19_Vaccine_AstraZeneca_23.02.2021.pdf

  • Single dose pharmacokinetics study of ALC-0315 and ALC-0159 following intravenous bolus injection of a nanoparticle formulation in rats

But the study number is in fact for the study done on human trials to get Government’s to give the Emergency Use Approval.

But in one of the documents I found it states quite clearly:

4. SUMMARY OF KEY NONCLINICAL DATA
Nonclinical evaluation of BNT162b2 included pharmacology (mouse immunogenicity and nonhuman primate [NHP] immunogenicity and SARS-Cov-2 challenge studies), pharmacokinetic (series of biodistribution, metabolism and pharmacokinetic studies), and toxicity (2 Good Laboratory Practice [GLP] rat repeat-dose toxicity) studies in vitro and in vivo. A developmental and reproductive toxicity (DART) study is ongoing in rats.

So the study on rats was still ongoing and had not been completed when the report was written.

So where is the full data from the rat study and why the confusion over study numbers?

Or how about this quote from the WHO document:

“Reactogenicity and adverse events (AEs) were generally milder and less frequent in participants in the older group (≥55 years of age) compared with the younger group (18-55 years of age) and tended to increase after the second dose.”

So expect even more adverse and serious effects as the younger age groups get injected then.

441713 THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 9, #405 of 2075 🔗

Alexander Solshenitsyn had it bang on all along in his excellent ‘Gulag Archipelago’

“Because they had no ideology. Ideology – that is what gives evildoing its long-sought justification and gives the evildoer the necessary steadfastness and determination.

That is the social theory which helps to make his acts seem good instead of bad in his own and others’ eyes….

That was how the agents of the Inquisition fortified their wills: by invoking Christianity ; the conquerors of foreign lands, by extolling the grandeur of their Motherland; the colonizers, by civilization ; the Nazis , by race ; and the Jacobins (early and late), by equality, brotherhood, and the happiness of future generations…

Without evildoers there would have been no Archipelago.”

441744 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #406 of 2075 🔗

Muslim Inquisition in Spain killed far more than the Catholic (3.000). Muslims murder just in Nigeria alone, 3.000 Christians every 6 months. I guess AS missed that one along with various Amerindian death cults which butchered 80K a year on their temples…….Nazis were atheists-evolutionists primarily as were Russian Communists – so yes they were very religious.

441973 ▶▶ stewart, replying to THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST, 3, #407 of 2075 🔗

All these journalists are surely aware of all these quotes, the existence of tyranny and how it happens, the fact that episodes of fear lead to over-reach and power grabs, that crises are used to restrict people’s freedoms. That governments and politicians lie and misrepresents things to protect themselves. All this is well know and documented.

The more surprising then that they are so reluctant to question anything.

Can’t help despairing for the future of humanity really.

441720 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 36, #408 of 2075 🔗

Anyone with even a basic knowledge of reading human behaviour, anyone with eyes, ears, a brain, can see that Wanksock is enjoying himself too much and would not take quietly at being asked to release his grip from the levers of control. It is no surprise to hear that he is acting like some swivel-eyed loon, desperately seeking variants.

441723 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #409 of 2075 🔗

He is totally getting off on it.

442471 ▶▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #410 of 2075 🔗

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac

441725 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #411 of 2075 🔗

Bearing in mind the carnage he has helped to create, you would think he would have the decency to look just a bit haggard. He doesn’t look like he’s missed even one night’s sleep.

441727 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #412 of 2075 🔗

Yep. He’s like how I described Van Tam on these pages a few days’ ago, so enamoured of his new found celebrity status that he doesn’t want to let go.

Yet again another one who should do an exit stage right and be jailed in the Tower.

441728 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #413 of 2075 🔗

I think that he thinks that we think he is a hero. It came out in an interview when the questionner said ‘youll be remembered for the lockdown’ and he looked shocked and said ‘no, for the vaccine’

441737 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #414 of 2075 🔗

Totally agree – aside from any wider agendas that may be in play, there are simple human flaws like vanity, ego, lust for power

441726 straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 35, #415 of 2075 🔗

It seems to me that the general feeling is that you need to be jabbed to travel. However after a whole year of lies and backtracking I don’t believe any of it. Its just another carrot & stick charade, oh have your jab and you can travel they all say. What happens when the govt says, er actually we’ve had to reconsider that and, er no travel. BUT I’VE HAD MY JAB! HaHa gotcha, they’ll say.

441923 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 9, #416 of 2075 🔗

Agree. They want people to declare defeat so that they can turn public opinion into accepting vaccine passports.

All to fight the notion of vaccine passports.

That is why Peter Hitchens is taking so much flak – instead of just having the vaccine (it is his choice) he declared that he was coerced into taking the vaccine as it will be required for travel despite the fact that they are only talking of the passport as this stage. Very disappointing that he just rolled-over!!!!

442181 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 7, #417 of 2075 🔗

Yes, it was the fact that he didn’t just ”wait and see” that has made him appear to be helping out with the propaganda.

441929 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 9, #418 of 2075 🔗

exactly – i think there will be very little international mass tourism this year – and those that are permitted will have so many conditions of testing and continued quarantine that make it unrealistic for a family in many aspects. But this is their goal to eliminate travel for the masses, to be the preserve of the so called ‘elite’ and so i believe it’s all planned and deliberate.
Travel is the carrot to get the poison and with it the digital id. It will be interesting when the regime backtrack on their so called ‘roadmap’ to lift lockdown (and i fully expect they will) and people cannot have a vacation.

442402 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #419 of 2075 🔗

They are also carving the world up into zones for population management.

443136 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #420 of 2075 🔗

All in line with Agenda 21/30.The plebs are not going to be allowed to travel.The airlines are only surviving because of government help.When they are ready they will pull the plug.
Meanwhile Bill Gates just bought a private jet airline.

442422 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, 4, #421 of 2075 🔗

The era of widespread civilian international travel is over. Initially the state will have a job convincing the vaccinated that they still can’t go anywhere because vaccine coverage isn’t 100%, but over time people will become accustomed to overseas travel being a thing of the past. Once this has been accomplished, permanent internal travel restrictions will be relatively straightforward.

441730 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 13, #422 of 2075 🔗

I was sitting on a bench in the sunshine in the middle of a small town observing the world around me.
Decided to do a bit of research…of the people who passed me about 50 % were wearing a mask.
I think there is still a lot of work to do to change public opinion…..

441775 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to MFvH, 4, #423 of 2075 🔗

There is so much regional variance. In nearby Midlands towns and suburbs, outdoor muzzling is at least 80%, maybe 90%. But in city centres it is vastly lower, even in shops. I can’t account for this, but maybe the zombies are actively avoiding city centres.

There is also an increase in zombies who have fashioned outfits that cover every part of their skin – I.e. gloves, hoodies, baseball hats pulled down low, muzzles with a bandana layered on top, and sunglasses. Going to be satisfying to see them struggle in summer temperatures. Also, of the minority who don’t muzzle outdoors, many pull out a cloth or tissue to cover their snouts to pass you in the street.

441989 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #424 of 2075 🔗

I thought those photos of people in all sorts of wierd Lockdown get-ups were a sort of joke and they weren’t doing it really – until the last time I went to the supermarket here (quiet little town in back of beyond Wales) and there was a man there walking along the aisles wearing some very wierd snout sort of contraption that looked a lot like his take on a WW2 gasmask and I didn’t get the impression he was joking!!! Was shocked! Mask-wearing in the streets level here varies (and it’s probably matching to some extent the amount of recent fear propaganda), but seems to hover around about 10% wearing masks outdoors here.

441809 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MFvH, 3, #425 of 2075 🔗

Where I live in NW London, there is a high percentage of BAME and East European population and they seem to be the one slavishly following the rules when it comes to muzzling. Which is also odd as the area I live in isn’t exactly affluent and there are pockets of low level crime and anti-social behaviour.

I find myself questioning if these people have been going without food and the other basic necessities just to buy masks. Much like the poor in developing countries.

441896 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #426 of 2075 🔗

I think it has a lot to do with cities, large towns etc and also the percentage of elderly in the population.

Here in the West Country I rarely see masks except in shops. The builders merchants being the worst. However I have cause, often, to visit friends in a posh little town in Dorset and there, the virtual signalling is rife. Every time I go there I just want to scream obscenities at the stupid sheep poncing about in their face nappies. This town is however mostly populated by rich, retired, posh people. It is also the only place I’ve seen people flinging themselves into the road to avoid others on the pavement. Wankers.

442068 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #427 of 2075 🔗

Here in London and from what I’ve seen, virtue signalling is rife in places like Hampstead, Chiswick and Richmond.

What do these places have in common? Heavily populated by upper middle class folk who treat the BBC and Guardian as gospel and endorse every woke idea imaginable. The amount of people I’ve encountered who would rather ben run over by a car or injure themselves in Chiswick is unbelievable.

What a bunch of maroons and nincompoops.

442406 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Bart Simpson, #428 of 2075 🔗

I hope the Great Reset comes and takes away all their property.

442873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #429 of 2075 🔗

But that would create a diaspora and inflict them on sensible communities like my own!

441977 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to MFvH, 6, #430 of 2075 🔗

By now I admit to being a bit wicked. I’m so fed-up and angry with what the sheeple are enabling TPTB to do to us that I sometimes deliberately walk as near as I can to anyone masked-up in the street sometimes. The biggest sign of a mask agreement by someone is whether they have the Fear Look in their eyes. I’m sorry – and I derive no pleasure from it – and it’s just my intermittent “test the waters” little survey I do to try and analyse how many are wearing one by choice (ie Covid believers) and how many by compliance to fit in.

442174 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to ElizaP, 5, #431 of 2075 🔗

I must admit, I do too. But I DO beam at them and speak cheerfully and say ”thank you” as they swerve out of my path. I want to keep reminding them of how it was to engage normally with people.
It’s just a very small seed I’m trying to plant.

442408 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, #432 of 2075 🔗

I thought you were going to say that you were beginnig to side Gates and The Reseteers. I am

441731 DomTaylor, replying to DomTaylor, 20, #433 of 2075 🔗

Great article by Alastair Cavendish. I guess I’m not technically really a Lockdown Sceptic either – I started off as one, but am now convinced that lockdowns are truly evil.

441742 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DomTaylor, 11, #434 of 2075 🔗

45K dead at least from LDs, society-lives ruined. Now mandatory experimental drug IDs coming….99.7% survival rate. 1 yr of Fascism. Too many morons enjoy this. Fake data, fake models.

441743 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #435 of 2075 🔗

Slightly off topic, but this story is indicative of the wider madness in the world that has in part enabled the coronamadness

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/56246444

Gordon Elliott: Dead horse photo sees Irish trainer banned in Britain
For those who would rather not look at the BBC, this is a horse trainer, one of whose horses had just died and he was next to the horse, someone called him on the phone and he sat on the dead horse, and for some reason someone took a picture of him and posted it on social media. He has been given an interim ban from working, lost sponsorship and is being “investigated” as well as rubbished by all and sundry.

There’s no question of him having mistreated the horse (it died of natural causes) or that the picture was something like a selfie of him sitting on the horse gleefully. It was a moment of inattention, arguably in poor taste but no more than that.

441752 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 4, #436 of 2075 🔗

Was it a covid death?

441946 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #437 of 2075 🔗

The slow but relentless strangling of liberty until it is completely gone.

441814 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Julian, 4, #438 of 2075 🔗

It’s bonkers. The horse is dead. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of people on the internet sticking their noses into other people’s business like this and making judgements. Also unfortunately, the subject of the judgement then goes and apologies, making the judgement valid.

441847 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to muzzle, 2, #439 of 2075 🔗

It’s not just the judgements, he has actually been prevented from working

442876 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #440 of 2075 🔗

Who took and publicised the photo? They should be “dealt with.”

441926 ▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 6, #441 of 2075 🔗

what is even worse , and a symptom of how woke BBC is and how it caters for (and creates) snowflakes, is the way they report it.

At the top of the article is a statement
“Warning – this article contains an image that some people may find distressing”
However, when you scroll down the article to the image, the image has actually been edited so that it shows the guy but not the horse, with a comment “ An edited version of an image of Gordon Elliott released by the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board”

so the image they warn is distressing isnt actually distressing because they have edited it. I thought the BBC was a news service. And as such making a report should actually show the image .

442098 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Julian, 6, #442 of 2075 🔗

I said two things, it was in bad taste and he shouldn’t have done it, an apology would suffice. Secondly I am sure he probably has a favourite to run at Cheltenham and this could be a means to stop him being there. Cynical yes but that is the world nowdays.

443278 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #443 of 2075 🔗

Literally shameful. (The response, not the man’s behaviour).

It isn’t all that long ago that people proposing even criticism of a man for such a non-offence would have been openly laughed at. But that was when we were a relatively sane culture.

441755 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 8, #444 of 2075 🔗

I said to the wife during the summer, that Covidiots will Triple Diaper to show their religious fervour and embrace of the CV God. Now I see ATL the wuckfits are actually going to propose Triple Diapers – during the spring and summer when flu deaths are near zero….and the morons are now going to implement it.

So I guess Face Diapers forever? Other Covid Religious symbols? Maybe wrap some Pampers around my buttocks as well just in case I have asymptomatic malaria fllying out my arse?

441888 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to FerdIII, 1, #445 of 2075 🔗

My impression is, even amongst those who follow the Fauci, that the double/triple nappy is a bit of a joke.

441996 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FerdIII, 1, #446 of 2075 🔗

You could make a big joke of it – that being to put a triple diaper on some innocuous part of your anatomy (say wound round your arm) – but obviously still no face diaper.

441757 FerdIII, 9, #447 of 2075 🔗

Not to be seen in LDS, but your magic EXPERIMENTAL DRUG PROSELYTISATION is apparently murdering people.

Israel:
“A re-analysis of published data from the Israeli Health Ministry by Dr. Hervé Seligmann, a member of the faculty of Medicine Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases at Aix-Marseille University, and engineer Haim Yativ reveal, in short, that the mRNA experimental vaccine from Pfizer killed “about 40 times more (elderly) people than the disease itself would have killed” during a recent five-week vaccination period. Among the younger class, these numbers are compounded to death rates at 260 times what the COVID-19 virus would have claimed in the given time frame .”

those vaccinated and above 65, 0.2 percent … died during the three-week period between doses, hence about 200 among 100,000 vaccinated. This is to be compared to the 4.91 dead among 100,000 dying from COVID-19 without vaccination .”

Of all the people. The Jews. You think they might know better. But in general they are full on socialist-libtard and follow their government’s demands.

No discussion in the UK of the injuries and deaths from the EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS. Just a low level, low grade moronic shit fest between ‘deniers’ and ‘those concerned with safety’. 10 year olds.

441759 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #448 of 2075 🔗

Has there ever been any studies on the link between relationship status and lockdown views? I have long been of the view that policy is driven by sad, lonely wankers. Just wanted to see if my prejudices were confirmed.

441774 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #449 of 2075 🔗

I dont think its much to do with relationship status, more about how much of a real free life one actually had prior to lockdown, taking financial situation into account as well.

441824 ▶▶▶ R G, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #450 of 2075 🔗

“I get up, go to work, have my tea, watch the telly then go to bed. Lockdown’s a doddle mate.”

441793 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #451 of 2075 🔗

I don’t think relationship status comes into it as many of the rabid lockdownistas I know are married. I suspect finances, job security and how much they believe in the propaganda are bigger factors.

442024 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #452 of 2075 🔗

I don’t think it’s a relationship thing personally. It’s a “how conventional is the person normally?” thing. From what I’m seeing around me – just going by women I know for instance and the clue seems to be “If they are married or widowed – dress in a rather “old” way for their age/don’t even think about whether to keep their own surnames if they get married/like fitting in and are normally prone to exerting subtle pressures on me to fit in too” = it’s a 100% rating they are Covidians. I live in an area where quite a few people are doing the “back to the land” thing and quite a few in that contingent are NOT Covidians (though that isn’t an infallible rule and I’ve seen some surprising people have turned out to be amongst Covidian ranks – eg the local organic farm shop and one of the two local wholefood shops and at least two that go to the sort of dancing I go to).

441825 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Tom Blackburn, 14, #453 of 2075 🔗

I actually think single people are more likely to be anti it. Because they’ve been sat at home in solitary confinement for most of the past year.

441829 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #454 of 2075 🔗

There is an inverse relationship. Some of the most desperate people I have seen in the surgery over the last year have been single and all their social contacts disappeared in March 2020. As one commentator has written all the propaganda emphasised the family staying home… there were no pictures of lonely elderly living on their own

442020 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Tom Blackburn, -1, #455 of 2075 🔗

All I know is that men are COWARDS and feminism was the beginning of the end

441760 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 7, #456 of 2075 🔗

This why my wife & I know we simply must take a stand on our son at Secondary, as his sister at Primary will be next, if England follows Ireland (as sure as night follows day)
Nphet to consider wearing of masks for primary school children
https://www.independent.ie/news/nphet-to-consider-wearing-of-masks-for-primary-school-children-40146449.html

441771 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to SimonCook, 3, #457 of 2075 🔗

As long as there are more children in the class not wearing masks. I can understand that it might get very difficult for a child not to wear a mask if all the class mates are complying.

441914 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to MFvH, 5, #458 of 2075 🔗

I would rather have the child bullied than him wearing a mask – the brain damage from not enough oxygen to the brain can’t ever be fixed – such child will never reach their full potential

442207 ▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Victoria, 5, #459 of 2075 🔗

FFS what sort of world are we living in where a parent has to choose between their child being bullied or having brain damage?!! My heart goes out to anyone in this situation. For the first time I am glad that I was unable to have children due to health problems.

441887 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to SimonCook, 3, #460 of 2075 🔗

You can use this form to have Lawyers fro Liberty send a solicitor’s letter to your child’s school:

https://forms.zohopublic.eu/democracydeclaration/form/MandatoryFaceMasksorTestinginSchools/formperma/UxCSH4z04fDnk99jyQqauEWTji8tvBI7XXSur5o7e4A

This letter will be sent from Lawyers for Liberty to the named recipient within 48 hours of completion.

441766 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 9, #461 of 2075 🔗

Oh lookie here. Pfizer demands an annual (soon biannual?) jab of their EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS. Kaching. Massive revenues, endless profits. Nothing to see here Sheeple. Add in heroin and cocaine for more fun.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pfizer-ceo-every-year-you-will-have-to-get-your-annual-shot-for-covid

Pfizer’s CEO hopes a third dose will boost the immune response even higher or will offer protection against COVID variants.

Every year, you need to go to get your flu vaccine ,” Bourla said. “It’s going to be the same with COVID. In a year, you will have to go and get your annual shot for Covid to be protected,” Bourla told NBC News.

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccine is not yet licensed by the FDA but has obtained Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to prevent COVID-19 for use in ages 16 years and older. The emergency use of this vaccine is only authorized as long as “circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use.”

441798 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to FerdIII, 8, #462 of 2075 🔗

Interesting conumdrum. The pharma companies can only make a profit by declaring that the emergency is over, which they can do after July 1st. At that point, the emergency authorisation for use must surely expire too.

442000 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #463 of 2075 🔗

Maybe we’ll then have to start paying for it ourselves like their other much loved best seller Viagra (now out of patent).

441769 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 14, #464 of 2075 🔗

I met someone yesterday out in the countryside who told me how reluctant they were to go in to town – she mostly shopped at a petrol station to avoid going in to a supermarket.

I told her (and please correct me if I’m wrong here) very few people under 65 had died of Covid – that the average age was about 82.5. I don’t think I was doubted – she just seemed amazed by the information (so I hope I be right!).

I was amazed it came as a revelation – but then Radio 4 this morning was focussing on the death of someone not over 65.

She must be under 65 as she’d not been vaccinated.

441790 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #465 of 2075 🔗

This has been my experience over the past year.
When you give people data they appear surprised. It is very clear to me that most people don’t bother to question and just believe MSM and government.

441890 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to MFvH, 7, #466 of 2075 🔗

I’ve just now heard on the radio a very distraught man being interviewed about the death of his wife who was 59. Most women of 59 listening will probably think they have a high probability of dying from Covid were they to be infected by the virus.

What are the chances? My guess is not much higher than other perils we run the risk of each day. But what I’m saying needs checking.

441906 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #467 of 2075 🔗

I was looking at stats somewhere recently (sorry can’t remember the link) and if you had no underlying health conditions and were under 70, you are more likely to die in a car accident. Wish I could find the numbers somewhere…..

441905 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to MFvH, 6, #468 of 2075 🔗

People just don’t think very well in terms of numbers. Most people understand the world in stories, not numbers. I think it’s an evolutionary trait.

The story of a person under 65 dying carries more weight in people’s minds than a statistic about the proportion of under 65s who have died. It shouldn’t but it does.

I keep making this point but it doesn’t get much reaction.

441869 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #469 of 2075 🔗

Easy to tell who watches regular tv a lot. If I say something like ” lockdowns are killing more people” or drop the fact the IFR of 0.2%, is now on the WHO website, you can see the cogs whiring and confusion in how to respond.

I think “Morloks”, is a good description.

441970 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #470 of 2075 🔗

I was with a sensible acquaintance, discussing her January Covid and recent jab.
I felt confident enough to quip
‘Well at least it’s over for this year now’.

She looked at me in shock and said
‘Of course it’s not all over ! If it was how come we’re still in lockdown and Tesco still got Social Distancing and green light to go in ?’

I could not be bothered to point out the twisted logic of that statement, TV addiction no doubt.

442336 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 3, #471 of 2075 🔗

If she had a + test in January she should not have had the injection. The guidelines from the producers very clearly state not within 3 months of a + test. Some other “trained” medical professional not doing their job properly.

442584 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #472 of 2075 🔗

My numbers are from NHS (but presumably anyone dying under 80 will have been hospitalised):
Deaths of healthy working age people (ie aged 20-60) (ie who have no co-morbidities)from March 2020 up to 28th Jan – 525 people (out of a population in that age group of 35 million). 60-79 year-olds in the same category 1,197 out of 13m population.

441778 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 17, #473 of 2075 🔗

The virus is mutating,
It goes from place to place,
The one that came from Brazil,
Is hiding in disgrace.

They don’t know where he’s hiding,
He didn’t leave his name,
He’s got old Hancock running,
And joining in the game.

He might be down in London,
Spreading germs around,
Or living in the country,
Hiding underground.

When Hancock finds his victim,
He’ll quarantine him quick,
To help ensure the sheeple,
That no one will get sick.

We know it’s all a being ramped up,
The media is the germ,
With all the lies that’s sold to us,
When will the sheeples learn?

441864 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Liberty, 2, #474 of 2075 🔗

Excellent. Talented.

441960 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to Liberty, 1, #475 of 2075 🔗

Good one.

441796 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #476 of 2075 🔗

Quick question:

How did you react to the death of Princess Diana?

441799 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ed Phillips, 9, #477 of 2075 🔗

Laughed, then realized the consequences of mass insanity & then cried.

441817 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #478 of 2075 🔗

I was only 14. It was the first time I realised how mental adult human beings could be. I saw through it all at the time as a teenager.

As an aside, Stewart Lee does a very good sketch on this. I’m sure you can find it on You Tube or Bitchute or whatever. How has he reacted to lockdown? He’s an interesting man because he’s a bit of a card carrying lefty, but also clearly intelligent enough to see through bullshit.

441893 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kenadams, -2, #479 of 2075 🔗

He’s an interesting man because he’s a bit of a card carrying lefty, but also clearly intelligent enough to see through bullshit.

That made my quote of the day. Such an oxymoron is sure to make you laugh.

441899 ▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to kenadams, 4, #480 of 2075 🔗

I was only 15 at the time and thought it was a massive over reaction to one person dying. Same when Take that spilt up , girls in my class cried about it .

442008 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to kenadams, #481 of 2075 🔗

Adults make me SICK!

442114 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to kenadams, 6, #482 of 2075 🔗

Sad that 2 children had lost their mother, sad for other family members and friends of her. I would feel the same for anyone in a similar situation regardless of who they were. Astonished and frankly embarrassed at the hysteria from a large portion of the population and the MSM. It actually paved the way to the current hysteria.

443068 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #483 of 2075 🔗

Which is why I asked the question. If we resisted that earlier hysteria then do we have antibodies to resist this hysteria?

441818 ▶▶ l835, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #484 of 2075 🔗

Woman died in car crash.

441861 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to l835, -2, #485 of 2075 🔗

with her Muslim lover (s), she shagged half of Europe. They were probably drunk and stoned….

441822 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ed Phillips, #486 of 2075 🔗

WHO?

441834 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #487 of 2075 🔗

I noted, that it coincided with the rollout of 24hr news coverage, and remarked that the BBC must have been pissed for missing the boat as they were the only major broadcaster without a 24hr rolling TV news channel, as well how quickly it was rectified by them after.

442355 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jinks, 2, #488 of 2075 🔗

Same with 9/11. I came back from shopping for ingredients to make a cake, my flat mate opened the door for me and told me. I watched it for a few minutes and then remarked, so, when they know sth new, and not show the same images again and again and again for 4 hours, let me know.

442907 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Silke David, #489 of 2075 🔗

Same. As seen as you get saturation coverage with the same images repeated ad nauseum, you just know it’s BS!

441875 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #490 of 2075 🔗

Told a joke about Dozy Fyad and went to the TV free pub for the funeral.

441932 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 1, #491 of 2075 🔗

Me too. Made a joke.

‘The first I heard she was as dead as a dodi’

Still the best Diana joke, and it’s mine!

441880 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #492 of 2075 🔗

I was annoyed they called off the football that afternoon I was looking forward to

441898 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #493 of 2075 🔗

Mildly sad then baffled and appalled at the mass hysteria.

441948 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #494 of 2075 🔗

As soon as I heard the news on Radio 4 that morning (it was a Sunday, I think) I knew that the next week would be dreadful. And it was.
The reaction of most of the clergy whom I knew was awful. At least to me. Bit like today, really.

441999 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #495 of 2075 🔗

I thought she was an attention seeking joyriding thug who was speeding through the streets of Paris having deliberately tipped off the press as to her wherabouts. I was pleased that only her disgusting self and her playboy thug boyfriend were hurt and no innocents.

Actually, foolishly, in those days I was a believer in Queen and Country so I was much more sympathetic to ‘the Royals’.

442039 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ed Phillips, #496 of 2075 🔗

Meh
Would have been funny to have seen a muslim half brother/sister in line to the throne
Naturally this could not be allowed

442161 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #497 of 2075 🔗

WOW I can’t believe they killed her!
Then I found out from some internet research that there was a radio blackout in Paris that night, radio scanner enthusiasts reported it, also all the CCTV went down all over the city, for one night only.

The rest is history.

442223 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Ed Phillips, 2, #498 of 2075 🔗

I remember being absolutely astounded by the mass hysteria that went on. Also the fact she seemed to be regarded as some sort of saint when in fact she was far from it.

442343 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #499 of 2075 🔗

I was visiting a friend in Germany. We met some of his friends on a flea market, who told us. I was like, why would you say sth like that? Later we passed the local tv station, where they broadcast the wedding on their outside tv, and I was like, oh, it’s true. ||Thank God I am not in England right now! They are going crazy!

441797 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 102, #500 of 2075 🔗

PETITION:
We, the members of the LS community ask our editors to agree NEVER to publish on this site the face of Matt Hancock again. We wish to have a Hancock face free zone.
All those in favour like this post and write AGREE below!

441802 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #501 of 2075 🔗

Where do I sign?

441806 ▶▶ rose, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #502 of 2075 🔗

Agree

441815 ▶▶ l835, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 18, #503 of 2075 🔗

Partially agree. No pics of him unless they show him in the dock or prison van.

441835 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #504 of 2075 🔗

It will save me wiping spittle from the screen.

441842 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #505 of 2075 🔗

Agree, unless it’s a picture of him in handcuffs

441921 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to PoshPanic, #506 of 2075 🔗

Agree.

441852 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #507 of 2075 🔗

Won’t sign. I like to see his visage from time to time. That way, if I find myself in a crowd with a bottle of piss in my hand and I spot him, my recognition will be swifter, giving me more time to line up my shot.

441870 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #508 of 2075 🔗

No Hancock and definitely no Van Tam.

441895 ▶▶ stewart, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #509 of 2075 🔗

Can we make an exception for his obituary, if that – god forbid – came to pass?

441912 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #510 of 2075 🔗

Totally agree.

441987 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #511 of 2075 🔗

agree 1000%

442004 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #512 of 2075 🔗

Footpenis makes a good dartboard tho

442015 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #513 of 2075 🔗

Yes, please. I can’t STAND to look at him. Bill Gates I can cope with. Hancock is such a foul little rat…

442920 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #514 of 2075 🔗

But Gates is King Rat!

442120 ▶▶ JASA, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 1, #515 of 2075 🔗

Agree. I have been asking Toby et al. for a while, particularly in relation to that really awful one where he is ‘smiling’ on one side of his face.

442970 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #516 of 2075 🔗

Does that include Hancock toilet paper?

443233 ▶▶ LittleMissSunshine, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #517 of 2075 🔗

Agree!

443417 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #518 of 2075 🔗

agree

443438 ▶▶ james007, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, #519 of 2075 🔗

I don’t want to see or hear of him ever again. The chamber of horrors ought to have a corridor for the leaders of the Covidian Terror. In particular Sturgeon, Johnson, Hancock.

441811 kenadams, 11, #521 of 2075 🔗

Very encouraging comments underneath the vaccine passport article in the Mail today.

441813 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 13, #522 of 2075 🔗

“Dr Susan Hopkins, of Public Health England, said that people should ideally wear masks made up of three layers to get the best protection.” ‘Double Masking’,soon to be the new mantra de jour…at what point will the straw break the camel’s back? Surely anger must be building in the community? Not everyone is a little lamb are they?

441820 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 21, #523 of 2075 🔗

The more the merrier – let’s see some headlines of grannies collapsing in Tesco’s from wearing multiple face-coverings to the extent they can’t breathe. That might wake the stupid fuckers up.

441839 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to vargas99, 21, #524 of 2075 🔗

My mum is no longer wearing them after having to wear one for 8 hours in a&e last week. It caused a chest infection which required emergency steroid treatment to clear up.

441857 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #525 of 2075 🔗

infection was surely blamed on Covid?

441956 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to FerdIII, 3, #526 of 2075 🔗

Not by her it wasn’t. She didn’t have any of the symptoms other than coughing up yellow gunk.

442924 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richy_m_99, #527 of 2075 🔗

Bacterial. Hope she’s better now. If not, marshmallow root tea would help.

441836 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 18, #528 of 2075 🔗

Medical people like Hopkins should be jailed and struck off for perpetuating this intervention that seriously undermines people’s physical and mental health. This is another example of the large scale Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy being inflicted on the populace and Hopkins should be ashamed of herself for breaking the Hippocratic Oath. Whatever happened to “first do no harm”?

441865 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 6, #529 of 2075 🔗

Watch out for sheep wearing skimpy blue/white masks highlighted over more expansive black puffin-look ones.
How fashionable is that !

441894 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 5, #530 of 2075 🔗

Great way to rid the earth of the gullible and stupid – there will be a massive increase in dementia (takes a bit time though to develop but can’t be stopped), bacterial infections, lung diseases, cancer (cancer loves low oxygen environments), etc

442082 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #531 of 2075 🔗

What a load of utter BS

442102 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 3, #532 of 2075 🔗

I think she was referring to layers of cloth in home made masks not wearing two or three separate masks.

442362 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to stevie, 4, #533 of 2075 🔗

In the summer I made a 3 layer cloth mask at home ( I had too much time on furlough), I tried it on for 2 seconds, could not breathe!

441816 mojo, replying to mojo, 19, #534 of 2075 🔗

In other words we are expected to run with the lie that six monthly vaccinations will stop more flu outbreaks and therefore no lockdowns.

Anyone who is seriously accepting this lie is complicit in a dangerous move to change our society forever. When will people like Lockdown Sceptics start telling the truth and querying why the Government want to give their country into the hands of Global Technocrats. Will it yet again take 70 years for people to realise suppressed societies are angry societies.

441855 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mojo, 12, #535 of 2075 🔗

Experimental drugs every 6 months will become quaterly, than monthly. Record Pharma profits and fat bank accounts (bribes) for those involved.

Slippery slopes and changing objectives. Linked to forced testing, and the various programs to digitise your ‘health’, your money, all your personal data into one source….

441967 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to mojo, 6, #536 of 2075 🔗

Will it yet again take 70 years for people to realise suppressed societies are angry societies?
Yes.
I said something like this last August. Not here but in an email to our rector on re-opening the church and requesting readers.
I said that the Church of England is finished, but would return in 2090.
69 years to go. I won’t see it.

441826 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 20, #537 of 2075 🔗

‘…until now in the pandemic that link from cases through to hospitalisations and deaths has been unbreakable…’

Once people are sent to hospital, even if they aren’t THAT ill, they will be in a few days. The link between hospitalisations and death is the fixed element nobody in power wants to address. The NHS became exposed as the N D S in 2020 due to chronic mismanagement, yet many still dutifully clapped for it.

‘…vaccines can break that link, and that is down to the power of science…’

No, Mr Hancock, it is down to Music Hall sleight of hand. The link would not have been broken if gene therapy was rolled out in September/October. Conversely it would still have been broken by March if the jabs been delayed until May.
The deliberate timing of the roll out to coincide with the annual dramatic seasonal fall in flu cases and hospitalisations during February (from their usual high in January) is how this government is statistically bigging up the phony vaxx treatment.
Time and again a Columbus cabinet takes our moon away, and time and again we go down on our knees and comply. But it’s no longer the government’s fault at this stage, nor SAGE, but 100% the fault of the soft-headed populace and their self-appointed false-champions, like Frit Chins.
Meanwhile the dramatic incidences of post-vaxx infections and deaths in care homes just gets swept under the dirty carpet of organised mendacity.

441846 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 9, #538 of 2075 🔗

“Meanwhile the dramatic incidences of post-vaxx infections and deaths in care homes just gets swept under the dirty carpet of organised mendacity.”

Indeed. Organised murder. STUPID ie SAGE, Wancock, Doris, Shitless – nothing to say about the dead and injured. Fake news says ‘just a coincidence….’

Add in LD deaths. There truly needs to be a day of judgement and lynching for the Occupation Government.

441863 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to FerdIII, 10, #539 of 2075 🔗

It does seem to be a case of
CV kills old people – we must lock down everybody!
The vaccine kills old people – well they were old anyway, could have died any time really.

441833 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 6, #540 of 2075 🔗

LDS always pushed the EXPERIMENTAL DRUG as a ‘route out of this’. Naive. Very chucking naive. Slippery slopes exist. See the psychopathogical illness of Gender-Trans fascists for eg.

Welcome to your future.

https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-vaccination-based-digital-identity/

This program was to be first launched in late 2018. Trust Stamp’s advanced digital identification technology will be integrated into the GAVI-Mastercard initiative “Wellness Pass” – a digital vaccination record and identity system which is to be also linked to Mastercard’s click-to-play system powered by Mastercard’s AI and Machine Learning technology. MasterCard made a commitment that it will create a “centralized record keeping of childhood immunization”. It also describes itself as a leader towards a “World Beyond Cash”.

Funded in part by that little faggot fascist Bill Gates of course.

441882 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FerdIII, 5, #541 of 2075 🔗

What’s the betting, once vaccines have been accepted & facilitated vaccine passports, Gates will suddenly announce technology to implant a chip with the vaccine as a passport, just for our convenience.

441937 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #542 of 2075 🔗

The bar code will have started to wash off so a chip will so much more convenient

441840 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 20, #543 of 2075 🔗

Well, my boards seem to be riling some in the PR of SW. On a SW Arsebook page someone* has said this:

“…. Where can I buy a takeaway cuppa – without right-wing Laurence Fox quotes and COVID Denial??????”

One of our sceptics mates asked him to name the establishment. He declined because: “I don’t want to be sued”. But, he thought it was acceptable to try and destroy my business on the pretext of asking where he can buy a cup of tea when he knows damn well what establishments there are in SW.

*This someone has form. One day a few years ago, I committed the cardinal sin of not baking cakes (it had been a particularly busy time and there being only two of us, I didn’t have the time). I told this bloke this and he didn’t say anything. A few hours later, predictably, came the snark-fest on TwatAdvisor. As we pointed out, in our robust rebuttal, it was odd that he hadn’t expressed the same ‘horror’ in person.

441858 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to kh1485, 10, #544 of 2075 🔗

If he’s that bothered, why is he out buying tea instead of making it at home (if he can bear to come out from behind the sofa).

441911 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to disgruntled246, 10, #545 of 2075 🔗

Exactly this. There are some short videos on youtube by a guy who goes out for walks around NE London. That’s where I live so my parents told me about it. I watched the first one, but in it he, while out and about walking, said how sad he was to see how busy the streets were around Leytonstone with other people walking during lockdown! Without even a hint of irony or self awareness. It actually staggered me.

441860 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to kh1485, 4, #546 of 2075 🔗

I have always thought that there are some ‘customers’ that I am happy to send to my competitors.

441883 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, 3, #547 of 2075 🔗

Indeed. They are welcome to him!

441909 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to kh1485, 2, #548 of 2075 🔗

Ban the twat

442184 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 3, #549 of 2075 🔗

There are some loud arses who comment on our local arsebook pages and in the local paper on their comments sections. Nobody else bothers just literally two or three of them. These guys are total and utter bellends.

They have been pumping out their moronic pontifications for years now.

441845 Will, replying to Will, 1, #550 of 2075 🔗

Can anyone point me to a reliable chart of UK covid deaths by age? All I can find is graphs and they are hopeless. I am trying to find the number of people, with and without comorbidities, under 50 who have sadlydied. Thank you.

441862 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 2, #551 of 2075 🔗

You won’t find one because no one knows! Some claim it’s less than 500 hundred max.

441944 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Will, 3, #552 of 2075 🔗

The figures are out there, but for the life of me, I cannot recall where. The figure for under 60’s who died without KNOWN comorbidities was about 3,800. Of course, this doesn’t mean that covid was the true cause, because of the absence of postmortems.

442073 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Will, #553 of 2075 🔗

I understand there were less than 400 deaths of under 60 year old last year.

442269 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Will, #554 of 2075 🔗

This is for England up to Feb 4. Click on it to open as the thumbnail is poor quality.

442371 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, #555 of 2075 🔗
441850 Basileus, 9, #556 of 2075 🔗

How the CDC violated Federal Law by falsifying covid statistics.

https://jdfor2020.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/adf864_165a103206974fdbb14ada6bf8af1541.pdf

Abstract
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on August 23, 2020, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19 , on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.”[1] For a nation tormented by restrictive public health policies mandated for healthy individuals and small businesses, this is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis. This revelation significantly impacts the published fatalities count due to COVID-19. More importantly, it exposes major problems with the process by which the CDC was able to generate inaccurate data during a crisis. The CDC has advocated for social isolation, social distancing, and personal protective equipment use as primary mitigation strategies in response to the COVID-19 crisis, while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge the promise of inexpensive pharmaceutical and natural treatments. These mitigation strategies were promoted largely in response to projection model fatality forecasts that have proven to be substantially inaccurate. Further investigation into the legality of the methods used to create these strategies raised additional concerns and questions. Why would the CDC decide against using a system of data collection & reporting they authored, and which has been in use nationwide for 17 years without incident, in favor of an untested & unproven system exclusively for COVID-19 without discussion and peer-review? Did the CDC’s decision to abandon a known and proven effective system also breach several federal laws that ensure data accuracy and integrity? Did the CDC knowingly alter rules for reporting cause of death in the presence of comorbidity exclusively for COVID-19? If so, why?

We already knew of course.

441866 kate, 5, #557 of 2075 🔗

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/injuries-reported-vaers-climbs/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=c490b1d0-2794-435a-8896-d82a74129051

The latest data made public by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) on deaths and injuries reported after COVID vaccines are in line with trends that have been emerging since the first data were released in December.
Between Dec. 14, 2020 and Feb. 18, 2021, 19,907 reports of adverse events have been reported to VAERS, including 1,095 deaths and 3,767 serious injuries.
About a third of the deaths reported occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, and 48% of the people who died became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

441867 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #558 of 2075 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/news/that-was-assault-prof-luke-oneill-on-being-dragged-back-by-his-collar-in-the-street-for-being-the-vaccine-guy-40147720.html

Poor little Luke – my heart bleeds for him.

For those who don’t remember, Luke O’Neill is a vaccine shill and he of the secondary school students Zoom call where he advocated vaccine bracelets and masks for life.

441889 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #559 of 2075 🔗

He said, ‘I’m pretty long in the tooth so I wasn’t too worried about it but I worry about younger scientists getting attacked in this way’, virtue signalling rules

441871 Ewan Duffy, 7, #560 of 2075 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health-service-in-crisis-almost-one-million-hospital-appointments-cancelled-by-pandemic-40147955.html

almost 1 million hospital appointments in Ireland cancelled due to the State’s overreaction to a bad flu season.

441872 stewart, replying to stewart, 7, #561 of 2075 🔗

Watch Thomas Sowell describe in 1995 the behaviour that we are experiencing today.

He pretty much explains how the world works and where we are heading in just a few minutes.

I would summarise it but he speaks so beautifully, succinctly and clearly that it is near impossible to summarise his ideas more clearly than he does himself.

https://youtu.be/waEc4YbQQX0

441913 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 1, #562 of 2075 🔗

I find most of his stuff well worth watching

443262 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to stewart, #563 of 2075 🔗

Wow. When you struggle with your thoughts thinking is this new, do others think like me, you come across something 25 years old that as you say explains so succinctly the current situation that it almost blows your mind.

Thanks for that Stewart.

Will be ordering his book from an independent bookshop soon.

441873 DanClarke, 18, #564 of 2075 🔗

So now can we get on with saving the lives of the majority who have conditions other than Covid, Hancock did say in Parliament that they would be left until Covid was sorted. Why wasnt more said about that horrendous statement.

441876 Cecil B, 11, #565 of 2075 🔗

Today the Piers Morgan loving half plebs have a World Cup bid and a British Ferrari to salivate over

Is there no end to the thickness of these people

FFS

441884 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #566 of 2075 🔗

Lovely…. People like Ferguson are referred to as the Modelling-Paper Mafiosi

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/02/the-modelling-paper-mafiosi.aspx

442981 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Victoria, 1, #567 of 2075 🔗

They do use the latest computational technology. Their predictions are developed by their Automatic Randomised Synthesis Equipment.

441891 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #568 of 2075 🔗

Hitchens has raised questions about the vaccines, but as far as I’m aware never taken a stand against the vaccines, only against coerced vaccination. And his opposition to lockdown has really always been based on the numbers (even when he sounds like he’s taking a principled stand, such as approving Lord Sumption talking about unprecedented government actions, etc), rather than on lockdown being inherently wrong.

There’s nothing necessarily wrong with arguing the numbers, but people who see it that way are inherently unreliable in the long run, both because if the numbers change they might change side, but also because their opposition is not based in principle but ultimately in pragmatism. So it’s inherently easier for them to give in.

If your opposition is based on a firm belief that the liberties attacked by lockdown are inalienable, then you will most likely not give in, ever.

On the face of it Hitchens did nothing particularly wrong. He hasn’t firmly opposed vaccines, and he’s chosen to take one of them on pragmatic grounds. Instead of doing so quietly he chose to announce it publicly – to his credit. So why has it generated such bitter criticism, and why does it feel so disappointing even to people like me, who have no strong feelings about the vaccines and (in my case) only really oppose them for political reasons?

Having given it a bit of thought and considered his pronouncements on the matter I think these are the reasons it has rather blown up in his face.

First, Hitchens’ positions are nuanced and his statements often liable to be misinterpreted, as far as his motivations are concerned. His arguments against lockdown and coerced vaccination often superficially sound (especially in the limited medium of Twitter) as though they are based on liberal principles, but they are not, they are based on conservative pragmatism.

Second, he made the mistake of combining his announcement of his taking the vaccine with an outright declaration of defeat. In his case, an admission of defeat is not unusual and does not mean he’s going to stop arguing the point. Like me, he recognises the history of the past few decades as one of repeated, almost unbroken political and cultural defeats for conservatives, leading to the situation we face in modern Britain in which conservatives have essentially no political representation at the party level, and their ideas have been all but driven out of the public square and in many cases are close to the edge of the Overton Window. As he himself often points out, he is used to such defeats.

For myself, I like to use Tolkien’s formulation of the attitude of the Norse to fighting for the Gods to apply to such political issues: defeat, even ultimate defeat, is no refutation. Perhaps Hitchens would see it that way as well.

But readers without that understanding of his position are likely to interpret his words as a more final admission of defeat and some kind of conversion to the opposing view.

Finally, Hitchens is not a natural political animal and he seemingly struggles with (or outright disavows) the idea of alliances of convenience. There is a de facto alliance between opponents of lockdown and opponents of vaccines. This is true notwithstanding the existence of those in each of those camps who try to distance themselves from the other. The fact remains that there are strong commonalities and many in each camp support members of the other camp when they are attacking the common enemy. Vaccine resisters are inspired by the work of non-vaccine resisting anti-lockdowners like Hitchens and Young, and anti-lockdowners are often inspired by the energy and research of vaccine resisters. (And of course many anti-lockdowners are also vaccine resisters, and vice versa).

Hitchens managed to directly offend those of his supporters in the current dispute who are vaccine resisters, some of whom mistakenly thought he was one of them and feel outright betrayed, simultaneously disappoint many of his wider supporters who thought he was conceding the wider point and fear he is giving up, and then compounded the issue by responding angrily and argumentatively to those who attacked him, rather than being conciliatory.

HItchens is not an elected politician, and owes nobody any duty to represent or respect their views. His choices are his own, and so are our choices in how we view him and his behaviour. Hitchens has lost respect in many quarters by his choice in this. Perhaps he has gained it elsewhere. Undoubtedly he would claim that respect is not his concern (though his combative response to criticism might be viewed as rather belying that). But this is an ongoing political issue, and what is important for us is how this affects the position of someone who has been hitherto one of the strongest voices against lockdown in particular.

441928 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Mark, 3, #569 of 2075 🔗

Well said.

442687 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fingerache Philip, #570 of 2075 🔗

Cheers, FP!

441994 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mark, 8, #571 of 2075 🔗

As many of us have said, by allowing himself to be coerced into taking the jab before any real coercion is applied, he plays a part in making the destruction of our liberties that he’s warned about a self-fulfilling prophecy. If he can’t see that then he’s not as intelligent as he seems.

442038 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mattghg, 4, #572 of 2075 🔗

Great post! So true. He is now the vaccine passport spokesman for the Government, big pharma and big business.

Hitchens decided to take the jab and that is his right but to publicly bleat that he was coerced to get get it because of the ‘inevitable’ vaccine passport is unacceptable.

The vaccine passport will not happen if people fight it. Such a passport will never be fair and will create ‘apartheid’

442689 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mattghg, #573 of 2075 🔗

As many of us have said, by allowing himself to be coerced into taking the jab before any real coercion is applied, he plays a part in making the destruction of our liberties that he’s warned about a self-fulfilling prophecy .”

Yes, I agree. That’s one reason I found it disappointing.

442011 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #574 of 2075 🔗

Well put

PH has clearly stated he is not a libertarian, and even Sumption said “liberty is not absolute”. I think I could contrive some circumstances in which a lockdown might be justified, but they are pretty far fetched. Crucially my reason for opposing lockdowns on principle would not be that they are absolutely wrong under any circumstances, but that governments cannot be trusted not to abuse the power.

PH’s view that the covid response is disproportionate is quite sound – he would have set the bar much higher, and we are so far from the point where lockdowns “might” be justified that for all practical purposes we are on the same page

His criticisms of the govt, opposition, media, establishment, erosion of democracy and freedom of speech and debate have been on point, well put and strongly put

Portraying him as some kind of traitor or establishment stooge seems wildly inaccurate to me

All of Hitchen’s positions and actions on coronamadness have been coherent, honourable and consistent. I think he has made a mistake in publicly admitting defeat, but I don’t know why people are so exercised about it.

I spent ages yesterday trying to point all of this out, but some are hell bent on sticking to some notional ideologically pure line and anyone who doesn’t hold the exact same positions is denounced as a heretic. I don’t think it is a good use of time or energy

442351 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Julian, #575 of 2075 🔗

It was just a great shame: the two fingers to all those people who had invested time and hope in him. Frankly, he had lots of friends and supporters, and he abandoned them – in not the greatest straits, at least not visibly – and in a petulant way as if they, rather than government were to blame. I am afraid I just sighed but if most who followed his column were in a rage it is scarcely surprising.

442693 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #576 of 2075 🔗

I think I could contrive some circumstances in which a lockdown might be justified, but they are pretty far fetched. Crucially my reason for opposing lockdowns on principle would not be that they are absolutely wrong under any circumstances, but that governments cannot be trusted not to abuse the power.

As usual, I think we are pretty much on the same spot, here.

Portraying him as some kind of traitor or establishment stooge seems wildly inaccurate to me

Yes. But I do think he has damaged the cause with this, as much through clumsiness as anything, though nothing even beginning to approach the amount of good he has done for it.

I don’t know why people are so exercised about it.

For the various reasons I gave above, mostly, imo.

442166 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mark, #577 of 2075 🔗

Why ”to his credit”? As you say, he never spoke out against jabs, but only coercion. So why did he feel the need to ”share” so publicly? That made it seem he was joining in with the propaganda machinations. He could have just had the jab privately, and it wouldn’t have compromised his stance. It was the ”look at me” that was so distasteful.

442695 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Banjones, #578 of 2075 🔗

To his credit because honesty and openness, by and large, are good qualities.

If he’d done it without saying anything and it had been “revealed” later by opponents, that would have looked very different.

Doesn’t change my view that he could and should have waited a little longer, but that’s his choice, obviously.

441900 mattghg, replying to mattghg, #579 of 2075 🔗

While this rumour about Hancock being variant-obsessed may well be true, I’m wondering whether the reporting of it here really meets the highest journalistic standards. Just a thought.

441908 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mattghg, 20, #580 of 2075 🔗

I wish they’d stop putting his photo on here. Every time I refresh the page, I get to see the man who is instrumental in destroying my life.

442145 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to kh1485, 4, #581 of 2075 🔗

I agree. My heart sinks and my blood pressure goes up whenever his (or Johnson’s) face appears. I’d like come to this site knowing I can get away from their ugly mugs.

441915 ▶▶ stewart, replying to mattghg, #582 of 2075 🔗

Only the journalist can know that when it is an off-record, name-withheld report.
The question is, do you trust the journalist is being thorough?

441922 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to mattghg, 6, #583 of 2075 🔗

I’m not sure you need secret sources to discover that they are variant obsessed, it’s as obvious as can be. As is the fact that they’ve completely given up all pretence of it being about protecting lives, and fully embraced the protection of the vaccine line. I don’t care to give up my life to protect a vaccine, thanks all the same.

441939 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mattghg, #584 of 2075 🔗

What as in ” our sources tell us”, that’s wheeled out everyday?

441945 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mattghg, 3, #585 of 2075 🔗

Putting my money on him going for the Californian variant next. That was pulled out of someones arse, to detract from Florida’s success.

441992 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #586 of 2075 🔗

Pfizer say their injeccion was tested “Phase 3 is being conducted at sites in the US, Brazil, Argentina, Turkey, South Africa, and Germany” so California a definite contender.

442151 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to PoshPanic, #587 of 2075 🔗

And don’t forget South Dakota. The governor there was given some high profile publicity over the past couple of days.

441950 ▶▶ danny, replying to mattghg, 1, #588 of 2075 🔗

As soon as this is deemed over, Hancock will be out of a job. So I would imagine his frantic search for variants is part base self interest, and part self justification for the horrors he has overseen.

442157 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to danny, 1, #589 of 2075 🔗

Or he’s just a useful idiot, parroting anything they tell him. After all, he has no qualification or experience of any relevance whatsoever, despite his posturing and speaking as if he knows it all.

441968 ▶▶ Will, replying to mattghg, #590 of 2075 🔗

Hancock knows he is going to get thrown in front of a BD 9 when this is over so is attempting to perpetuate the nonsense.

442203 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to mattghg, 2, #591 of 2075 🔗

On the face of it the ‘variant gambit’ is self defeating. Either they make no difference in which case the sheeple will get bored with them, or they are vaccine defeating spectres that will require permanent lockdown, which even the most baarking of sheeple will eventually not tolerate.

There is however, another possibility. By keeping the variant craze going ‘they’ retain the ability to keep all the lockdown laws on the books. Then as politically expedient that can announce the ‘Chernobyl’ variant and immediately switch on total lockdown.

441902 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #592 of 2075 🔗

Found these on the Government’s website about reporting of numbers of covid dethts:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/916035/RA_Technical_Summary_-_PHE_Data_Series_COVID_19_Deaths_20200812.pdf

States:

“All deaths with a positive specimen (including at post-mortem) are counted regardless of the cause of death”

So totally out in the open and ahs been for months so why won’t the sheeple still wake up?

On the charts shown at the government press briefings if you look closely at the bottom it clearly states “all cause mortality within 28 days of a positive test” out in the open, how blatant does it have to be? The one by Jon Van-Tam showed it clearly on TV.

You can find them all here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences

It states on here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/960064/2021-02-10_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides__for_publication_.pptx.pdf

“COVID-19 daily deaths within 28 days of a positive test, UK: Number of deaths of people who had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test”

or the title for this graph “The number of deaths of people who had a positive test result for COVID-19 in the UK remains high”

Notice it does not say they died of or with covid only that they died.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/953315/2021-01-15_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides.pdf – page 3

Or this from the WHO:

“The World Health Organization (WHO) recognises this complexity and states that:

A COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case , “

441917 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #593 of 2075 🔗

I continually point out to people that you can die of ANYTHING and be a Covid death stat, it’s the gift that keeps on giving. Sometimes, people will actually say that they think the numbers are UNDERCOUNTED, because there’s surely people who will die of their Covid outside the 28 day window. You can’t make this stuff up. Morons.

441925 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #594 of 2075 🔗

Bleedin health zealots.
Quote from a bloke on TR (Minus the “Bleedin”).

441991 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #595 of 2075 🔗

They will just make up the numbers just like they can make up the votes

441904 NickR, replying to NickR, 5, #596 of 2075 🔗

I thought some of you may be interested to see the 7 day rate for positive tests by area taken from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases . All 380 areas are there but not enough space to write all the names down the left hand side.

441920 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NickR, 2, #597 of 2075 🔗

Well done on your work yesterday on the 2SD and 3SD stuff. Upshot. Its all bollocks, you can’t compare their old and new measurements – heavily cherry-picked – should be using 20 years+

441940 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to steve_w, 4, #598 of 2075 🔗

I don’t think it’s going to make headlines in The Sun: “Government accused of manipulating 2 standard deviation data on baseline averages for prior year all-cause mortality!” Maybe a small by-line in statistics weekly.

441910 kate, replying to kate, 19, #599 of 2075 🔗

Peter Hitchens has never asked himself fundamental questions about this “pandemic” which is evidently a global coup against what remains of western democracy by the CIA, deep state actors and financial power elites.

Treating this carefully planned and executed international power grab as some sort of policy mistake is a deception and acts to mislead and misdirect opposition.

441930 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kate, 16, #600 of 2075 🔗

It’s really quite astonishing that as the people perpetrating this global reorganisation announce what they are going to do and then do precisely what they announce, even as it all unfolds before our very eyes, you can be called a conspiracy theorist for just drawing attention to it.

I guess the saying is very pertinent here:

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.

441954 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to stewart, 6, #601 of 2075 🔗

It is more astonishing that they lock people down for 12 months going on 15 months and people don’t even look for an answer.

442006 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #602 of 2075 🔗

As Thomas Sowell explains, most people don’t look for truth, but rather for information that fits their worldview.

442156 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kate, #603 of 2075 🔗

I don’t see how y’all so shocked by this
Worst Hitchens has always had a long and documented defeatist streak in him
That being said – It is his decision to make

441919 stewart, replying to stewart, -7, #604 of 2075 🔗

Hitchens is above all else a contrarian.

Maybe he’s “jumping ship” precisely because more people are shifting to his point of view?

Just a thought.

442103 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to stewart, 2, #605 of 2075 🔗

You may be right. People are now being panicked into the belief that they won’t be able to go anywhere, do anything, unless they get ‘the jab’ – without doing their own research, but just swallowing the propaganda. I wonder why people (like him) didn’t just wait and see – after all, it’s not as if we can go anywhere yet.

441924 kate, replying to kate, 15, #606 of 2075 🔗

I do wonder whether the vaccine injuries, which will become impossible to conceal, might be the final overthrow of this plan to remove our freedoms.

Even the CIA and the other deep state operatives can be injured by these vaccines or have relatives who will be injured.

Autism, neurological disorders, auto-immune disorders, Chronic fatigue, long term disability in once healthy children – who would work for a system that deliberately and knowingly destroys its own children?

77th brigade think about this.

441959 ▶▶ isobar, replying to kate, 6, #607 of 2075 🔗

You could well be right. I get the feeling that Hancock’s mania for new variants is to fill up the ‘bad news’ space in the MSM which might otherwise get occupied by side effects of the ‘vaccines’

442046 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kate, 9, #608 of 2075 🔗

I think you are pinning too much hope on vaccine injuries.

Too many things need to happen:

  1. The proportion of injuries needs to be very significantly high.
  2. The injuries need to be attributed to the vaccine.
  3. The information needs to be broadcast widely and not suppressed.

It’s going to be tough for all those things to come together.

442185 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to stewart, 5, #609 of 2075 🔗

You are right, of course, but I was thinking more about those who will enforce the state’s dictates on the population. Suspicion of vaccines and the State’s dismissal of vaccine injury is widespread despite the propaganda campaign going full tilt. Even the security services, the military and the police have children and relatives who will be injured and then their injury dismissed by the very propaganda these people promote at work..

You need to keep your enforcers onside, and I suppose many need to believe in some way in what they do. Those who monitor online sites must be some of the best informed in society about these problems and the medical debate which has not been resolved by suppression of the real figures.

OK you get job security and a good salary, and a sense of superiority to the plebs, but what happens when your child is masked and jabbed and falls ill? Or your mother?

441927 swedenborg, 10, #610 of 2075 🔗

Something for LD/SD promoters. 9 midwestern states. Anyone see the hand of human or hand of nature?

https://twitter.com/IAmTheActualET/status/1366155250005065728

 “9 Midwest states, 9 different levels of C-19 restrictions some enacted them sooner, some later, some not at all, some have lifted them sooner, some are lifting them more slowly. Yet they rose at the same time, peaked within a week of each other, and now are all at a baseline”

441931 Ambwozere, replying to Ambwozere, 20, #611 of 2075 🔗

Just been told by the health and safety manager at work that the government is kindly sending our FE college 47,500 disposable masks.

I thought he was joking to start with but apparently not. The college only has about 5,000 people in total so quite what we’re going to do with these extra masks is any body’s guess.

If they don’t get used, they’ll end up in a cupboard somewhere and in 10 years time be found as a reminder of what happened in 2021.

The environmental impact of all these masks is horrific frankly.

441942 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ambwozere, 7, #612 of 2075 🔗

When they arrive. Have a big bonfire.

442062 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to Two-Six, 1, #613 of 2075 🔗

I wish, a bonfire would be amazing. Burn the masks 🙂

443433 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Ambwozere, #614 of 2075 🔗

Check there’s no horrible chemical in them first.

442075 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Two-Six, #615 of 2075 🔗

i thought that too hehe

442016 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #616 of 2075 🔗

It’s enough to wear 9.5 each

442065 ▶▶▶ Ambwozere, replying to vargas99, #617 of 2075 🔗

I did ask if we’re expecting the students to wear them on their heads as well as across their faces. Its just insane, the waste in the public sector.

442099 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to vargas99, 1, #618 of 2075 🔗

no longer double masking but nonuplets masking (sorry , but this was the nearest i could get to 9 layers ) lol

442180 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ambwozere, 2, #619 of 2075 🔗

Have fun with it
Make a suggestion that farts spread Sars2 so they should mask up in their pants as well
Be deadly serious about it – why are they putting your life at risk etc etc

441933 The Covid Kid, 14, #620 of 2075 🔗

.

441935 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 16, #621 of 2075 🔗

‘…until now in the pandemic that link from cases through to hospitalisations and deaths has been unbreakable…’

So, every ‘case’, ie every positive test lead inexorably to death did it? Wow. That’s hundreds of thousands of dead people a day.

Or it’s bullshit.

Edit: just done the research: it’s 4,182,009 people hospitalised and dead to date.

441972 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #622 of 2075 🔗

What do you expect from someone who is called a ”Health Secretary” but has no qualification or experience in anything relevant to the post? He’s parroting other people’s words, of course, and he’s just a useful idiot – but he speaks as if he’s worked it all out personally. So, yes, it’s BS.

441974 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #623 of 2075 🔗

I’d love to see the numbers behind this. Is it just based on the fact that hospitalisations and deaths have fallen? Because so have cases – very fast – which means that in fact the relationship between them still exists exactly as expected, surely? Have hospitalisations/deaths fallen at a faster rate than cases?

442387 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #624 of 2075 🔗

Exactly what I was thinking.
I know sometimes giving an answer to a question can lead to struggling to find the right words, but this is so wrong!

441936 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 20, #625 of 2075 🔗

Even my family have caught on to mutant strains being released when they announce relaxation of the rules. People aren’t buying it, they don’t want to buy it. People want out there will be real fury if the government renege on this plan again.

441965 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #626 of 2075 🔗

Trouble is, some have been furious many times – but what to do?

441955 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 5, #628 of 2075 🔗

I haven’t read it yet, but I daresay this was a result of a ”poll”. If it was a ”Yougov poll” then Mr Zahawi will be rubbing his hands in glee.

441980 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), replying to Banjones, 3, #629 of 2075 🔗

Worse than YouGov, it was a think tank:

And 79% also say they are happy for their vaccine details to be passed on to digital health apps, according to the survey by travel think tank Thrive.

441971 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 8, #630 of 2075 🔗

Years ago I remember that flights London to Singapore had 2 options – a smoking flight and a non-smoking flight.

The smoking one was normally pretty busy, the other one half full at best so consumers made their choice and in came legislation to take that choice away.

In Telford or Shrewsbury a long time ago there was a pub that boasted of being Britain’s first non-smoking pub long before the ban came into force or was even talked about. They went out of business so consumers made their choice and in came legislation to take that choice away.

441988 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), replying to Awkward Git, #631 of 2075 🔗

Smitair tried to launch a luxury ‘smokers’ airline but the banks pulled out last minute:

https://pea.com/blog/posts/4-strange-airline-start-ups-flopped/

441993 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 5, #632 of 2075 🔗

The funny thing about all these polls is that I only seem to know and speak to people in the minority.

442153 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 1, #633 of 2075 🔗

Pro Vax Pro Segregation, if it carries on along these lines, that’s what it means

441953 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #634 of 2075 🔗

Come on folks, cheer up!
A lot of police chiefs are saying that they are not going to harass people to the same degree as before, extremely small victory, I know, but it’s a start.

441957 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #635 of 2075 🔗

Let’s hope they get the memo here in Saffron Walden where the rozzers have been relishing every opportunity to harass people.

441975 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 4, #636 of 2075 🔗

Hopefully kh, sorry to hear that the coppers in your neck of the woods are “ultras”.

441997 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #637 of 2075 🔗

Down here in Devon I haven’t seen much of them for months. They don’t seem to want to know. They were right nazis until Easter last year, but then pulled back markedly, and seemed noticeably to step back further after the muzzles came in.

I stand to be corrected if anyone else from here has different experiences.

442139 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to TJN, 9, #638 of 2075 🔗

They put a road block on the A303 on the first Saturday of half term. Four police cars, one van, roughly twelve officers. Tossers all of them.

442229 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #639 of 2075 🔗

I know the lay-by. I got stopped and searched in it once on the way to Glastonbury. The cops had set up a huge stop and search operation to net all the festival goers. The car got properly rummaged and so did all our gear and pockets etc.

They even had a tent for strip-searching people in.

They found nothing. We had a good festival.

442291 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, 3, #640 of 2075 🔗

I know that lay by too, just before Chicklade. Wiltshire Constabulary territory, despite Pilton being in Somerset! They had cameras set up at the top of Chilmark Down so they could decide in advance who to pull. Just police harassment of people going about their lives. After the first time I was stopped and tested, I’d just come off at the bottom of the hill and route through Hindon.

442361 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Redundant Pilot, #641 of 2075 🔗

Is that Dorset?

I take it you mean half term a couple of weeks ago.

442815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to TJN, #642 of 2075 🔗

No, it’s in Devon, where Annie’s Cafe caravan is, just before the A303 becomes the A30. And yes 🙂

442893 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Redundant Pilot, #643 of 2075 🔗

Ok thanks – to the east then.

We had a load of roadblocks round here (SW Dartmoor) late last March, but after the first Lord Sumption intervention they backed off and we haven’t seen any since.

441961 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 62, #644 of 2075 🔗

The Chairman of The Metropolitan Police Federation says his members no longer wish to police covid

The Chairman of South Wales Police Federation says his officers are facing increased hostility

The police have locked us up in our homes for twelve moths and prevented us from seeing our children and grandchildren.

The police have arrested us, fined us, beaten us with batons, and sprayed us with CS

The police have gone out of there way to be petty and pedantic

The police have conducted a propaganda war against us describing us as evil

What were they expecting?

A pat on the back?

441966 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cecil B, 15, #645 of 2075 🔗

This is good to hear though. The government’s paid stassi obviously are not all that on board.

441976 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cecil B, 9, #646 of 2075 🔗

They’re just bitter they didn’t get a Thursday night clap.

441981 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 27, #647 of 2075 🔗

Given how they’ve behaved throughout this shit show they deserve the abuse that they’re getting. And let’s not forget that before this shit show they’ve shown their unwillingness to go after real crime always giving excuses like “cuts” or “austerity” or “accusations of racism” for not doing their job.

The fact that they’re now backpedalling shows that at least some of them are waking up. But its too little, too late.

They’ve lost the trust and respect of the public and when the shit really hits the fan they will learn that the people will be wary of helping them out much less approaching them. I would not approach them not even with a 10 foot barge pole.

When this shit show is over and they’re still bleating about “cuts”, “austerity” and “racism” we should tell them to take a hike. Given their relentless harassment of ordinary Joes just going about their business shows that they have more than enough resources and too much time on their hands.

442012 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #648 of 2075 🔗

Agree with all this. I won’t ever forget being treated like a criminal for being kind.

442087 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 11, #649 of 2075 🔗

What the police did to you was despicable and they behaved no differently to the police in the country I left behind, it’s all different country same crap.

442187 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Cecil B, 2, #650 of 2075 🔗

The police state can only be enforced by… police. Why do they do it?

442503 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Cecil B, 1, #651 of 2075 🔗

It’s just dawned on him, they don’t have the numbers to keep up enforcement of this shitshow. Next will come the demand for more money.

441962 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #652 of 2075 🔗

Here’s a link to a NZ publication, sent by a friend there. ”The truth about the pandemic and vaccines that we’re not being told”. They’re suffering from the same coercion too.

https://therealnews.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/The-Real-News-Issue1.pdf

442133 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, #653 of 2075 🔗

I see that horse faced tran knee is getting pilloried from his own side now
Lay down with dogs – get fleas

441969 mojo, replying to mojo, 25, #654 of 2075 🔗

I wonder what would have happened if the virologists and immunologists gave up the fight and let the evil in the pharmaceutical industry take over. Peter Hitchens has indeed been a lone voice but that is because we have a media controlled by that evil. There a few million of us who have rejected this nonsense and we know the Government are struggling in getting voluntary takeup of the injection because the propaganda and threats are being ramped up. There would be no need for a vaccine passport if people trusted the government’s rhetoric.

However, yet again Peter shows that he perhaps doesn’t quote believe how dangerous the road we travel is. He knows we are going into technocratic world government but he still will not acknowledge Klaus Schwabb’s WEF projection of population control and owning nothing. He is 70yrs old. So am I. I will not however, walk away from a fight that I am convinced, if lost, will have the most terrible consequences. As usual those wanting to control us have no idea of the turmoil they will create. I fear within a very short time our children will realise they have been part of an horrific experiment, gone awfully wrong, and no one will be able to turn it around.

442022 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mojo, 10, #655 of 2075 🔗

Great post.

I will not however, walk away from a fight that I am convinced, if lost, will have the most terrible consequences. As usual those wanting to control us have no idea of the turmoil they will create.

Wish more people were like you

441979 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #656 of 2075 🔗

So if the vaccine didn’t work, and no new vaccines were forthcoming, would the govt have kept us locked up indefinitely while the rest of Europe got back to normal? Because that’s what Wancock is implying. Permanent lockdown in the UK. Would even the sheeple accept that I wonder?

442121 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #657 of 2075 🔗

Sheeple will love it. Bleating baa baa, give me my Universal Basic Income and my holidays paid by others, to Spain. Sure thing. As long as footie fags are still on the tele.

441983 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 10, #658 of 2075 🔗

Major Misunderstanding-Viz

442027 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Two-Six, 2, #659 of 2075 🔗

Another pertinent Viz cartoon is the Bottom Inspectors.
http://viz.co.uk/category/bottom-inspectors/

442241 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Andy Riley, #660 of 2075 🔗

Very PERT -inent

441984 GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 19, #661 of 2075 🔗

From r/NoNewNormal
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441990 stewart, replying to stewart, 6, #662 of 2075 🔗

Woodward and Bernstein were conspiracy theorists.

442010 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to stewart, 4, #663 of 2075 🔗

How tame Watergate seems as a scandal now.

442117 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #664 of 2075 🔗

Would either report on Bidengate and the thieving of an election with 35 mn stolen votes (no).

441995 jos, replying to jos, 14, #665 of 2075 🔗

Throughout the lockdowns and through all the restrictions since last March, the streets of London have been restructured limiting traffic flow and dug up for high fibre broadband cables. Is this happening in the rest of the UK? Is it about digital ID and the roll-in of unaffordable electric cars reserving the roads for the very rich? Just like everything else happening, it’s amazing how little curiosity is shown by people affected by this.

442026 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jos, 4, #666 of 2075 🔗

In my small provincial city they content themselves with numerous Social Distancing road closures, cycle lanes and buses only.
The most unpopular one is supposedly up for review.

442194 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to karenovirus, 1, #667 of 2075 🔗

What does Social distancing road closure mean? Why would you have to observe SD in your car?

442263 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jos, 2, #668 of 2075 🔗

The question I was asking 10 months ago. They have signs saying ‘Road layout changed to enable Social Distancing’.

442452 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, #669 of 2075 🔗

They tried in our market town, it lasted three days. Too much traffic in narrow streets and we are a main route between Harrogate, Leeds, York and the A1/M62.

442031 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to jos, 8, #670 of 2075 🔗

Happening ehre as well plus look at all the new generation 5G towers that have spring up during the lockdowns.

442177 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to jos, 3, #671 of 2075 🔗

I live in the middle of nowhere in Essex and it seems to me every little lane has been blocked at some point for the installation of 5g.

442300 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to jos, 1, #672 of 2075 🔗

Same kind of stuff going on here.

441998 JayBee, 5, #673 of 2075 🔗

I am missing a thorough, critical analysis of the government’s vaccine efficiency figures, in particular with regard to hospitalisations and deaths.
The data from Israel did not confirm this at all, only a 1% absolute reduction of getting mild symptoms, an Achgut author showed two days ago.
But maybe this is the wrong place for this now?

442107 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #675 of 2075 🔗

I see CV 19 trials on children FFS…many of these trials only end later this year….the ‘official’ trails end in 2023……yet these assholes want us to inject their drugs now…..

442253 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FerdIII, 1, #676 of 2075 🔗

Who on earth, in their right mind, gives up their child for experimentation?

442005 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 17, #677 of 2075 🔗

My Covid hysteric MIL has previously wanted to wait for us and the kids to visit a few weeks after she had her 2nd jab in April. We have seen them once, just before Christmas, in the past 4.5 months.
She rang my husband at the weekend asking us down for lunch on Mothers day (provided we don’t have the lurgy). I suspect my father in law persuaded her a bit, but she said she is missing the children too much.
So she is now happy for us (and her) to break the ‘rules’, but to top it off, asked us not to tell anyone about it.

442094 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ganjan21, 11, #678 of 2075 🔗

I wouldn’t go if I were you and if asked why I would reply that you treated me like a leper when it suited you so why the U turn?

442158 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #679 of 2075 🔗

Tell her that as none of you have been vaccinated you are terrified that she will pass it on as she must know that she can still pass it on but you are also concerne that any of you could be asymptotic and pass it on to her and she can can still catch it. Interesting to hear her response.

442007 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 12, #680 of 2075 🔗

Is it possible that some of these petitions are nobbled? This one, for instance – I find it hard to believe that hardly anyone is interested, and it’s remained almost unchanged over the past couple of months. It’ll close in April. How convenient.

”Nullify non-disclosure agreements/gagging orders for NHS staff for covid-19”
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/550598

442179 ▶▶ jos, replying to Banjones, 2, #681 of 2075 🔗

Data harvesting imo.

442258 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jos, #682 of 2075 🔗

Yes, of course.

442013 John, replying to John, -2, #683 of 2075 🔗

Had the AstraZeneca injection yesterday evening. Currently no side effects, not even a sore arm. I’m not over convinced that the consent was informed, I’ll expand on that further down.
I was asked if I’d been abroad in the last 14 days and whether I’d had any symptoms. I was then asked if I had had any serious reactions to any medication or if I was on aspirin or other anticoagulant. The side effects mentioned were a sore arm, fatigue or flu like symptoms lasting up to 48 hours. None of the other reported side effects were mentioned, which is why, in my opinion, there wasn’t the possibility of informed consent (I had the advantage of obtaining my information from elsewhere).
I did tell the person administering the injection that under no circumstances would I have had the Pfizer offering.
The 64000$ question is did I actually need the injection?
Did I have existing immunity?
I suspect that the answer to these questions is no and yes respectively, but there’s no way to prove the latter.
My antibody test was negative in late spring 2020, but the T cells remain an undetermined quantity.

442018 ▶▶ stewart, replying to John, 18, #684 of 2075 🔗

So if you don’t think you needed the injection, why did you take it?

442092 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 7, #685 of 2075 🔗

All the ‘cool kids’ are doing it. Need to snort some coke as they jab you with the poison to keep it real etc. Holidays in Spain etc.

442251 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to FerdIII, -1, #686 of 2075 🔗

Actually I’m a 65 year old retiree, it was external pressures brought to bear by offspring and their partners, so I succumbed to emotional blackmail.
I think I had the symptoms of CoViD-19 in 2019, but my antibody count was negative (more than three months later), there’s no test for T-cell immunity; if there was I would have had the test.

442279 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John, #687 of 2075 🔗

What exactly did they say to you to convince you?

442327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Ceriain, 1, #688 of 2075 🔗

Not being able to see them or the grand children.

442367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to John, 4, #689 of 2075 🔗

That is awful John, I can’t imagine how hard it was to face such blackmail tactics. What a bloody awful world we now inhabit.

442399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to John, 3, #690 of 2075 🔗

I am so sorry that your family is so mis-informed.

442681 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to John, 2, #691 of 2075 🔗

Personally, I would have refused to take it because they were trying to pressure me. And I’m bloody minded and misanthropic enough to stick to it and never see them again, if they chose to push it that far.

For that reason alone, perhaps, I don’t see any of my four adult offspring even trying it with me.

442021 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to John, 11, #692 of 2075 🔗

RIP

Why are you ok with the AZ injection that uses a modified ape adenovirus to deposit a DNA gene into the nucleus of your cell, but not ok with the Pfizer RNA vaccine? Epitranscriptomics is a fun time, but I would have thought that the AZ is even worse.

We’ll have to come up with a new name for whatever you are now.
GMO-sapiens? NuMan? HuMod?

442084 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 14, #693 of 2075 🔗

I find it incredible that some people (especially on here) have still not figured out that the oxf/az crap is far from a traditional vax and maybe even more dangerous than the mRNA poisons.

442097 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to merlin, 4, #694 of 2075 🔗

It’s hilarious.

442242 ▶▶▶ John, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #695 of 2075 🔗

Why the RIP?
The use of the chimpanzee adenovirus has been used in previous vaccinations, including the flu vaccine, it’s not always efficacious, but it has a track record; which is something that can be said of the Pfizer offering which is an mRNA vaccine.

The major risk with the Pfizer is that it could trigger an over reaction in the immune system, particularly in those who have had a previous SARS-CoV-2 infection. This appears to be borne out in the data.

I haven’t suddenly become a genetically modified human being, well no more than anyone else. Environment can alter how your genes operate, epigenetics.

442379 ▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to John, 1, #696 of 2075 🔗

Yes, I understand the epithelial inflammation for the Pfizer vaccine is the main cause of death.

My concern (apart from sudden death, obv) is that teams are still making breakthroughs in epitranscriptomics (Jan 2020 was the most recent important paper as far as I know), it shows that we really don’t understand RNA or epigenetics as well as we ought. So how sensible is it to insert a much more complicated synthetic gene into a nucleus, and to roll out this treatment to the population without years of clinical trials?

It’s madness, and taking the jab is just Russian Roulette.

442975 ▶▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #697 of 2075 🔗

Well according to a Dr. Mark Macdonald.. the world is suffering from ‘Mass Delusional Psychosis’.. who’d have thought!

443100 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Woden, #698 of 2075 🔗

I’m inclined to agree with him.

443484 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to John, #699 of 2075 🔗

Can you provide sources to back up your claim that the chimp adenovirus model has been used in approved vaccines please.

I’ve searched, quite extensively I believe, but can only find information relating to evaluations and experimental vaccines.

It’s an important distinction so it would be good to see the evidence that this class of vaccines has previously been used following full approval

442056 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John, 1, #700 of 2075 🔗

Keep us posted – always good to get a report from the front line
If you go all Linda Blair can you stream it??

442091 ▶▶ davews, replying to John, 1, #701 of 2075 🔗

The ‘informed consent’ in my case was after asking all the questions you were asked she said in a very quiet voice ‘do you agree to having the vaccine this morning?’, almost as an afterthought, I could almost have missed it when I timidly replied ‘yes’.

442183 ▶▶ jos, replying to John, 2, #702 of 2075 🔗

Why did you have it?

442225 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John, -1, #703 of 2075 🔗

Death follows 6-8 months afterward, you know it’s an annual vaccination for survivors right? At least that gives you time to save for a funeral.

442284 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #704 of 2075 🔗

That’s a quite mean-spirited remark. Surely we’ve all agreed here that it’s a personal choice? Coercion is wrong, but haven’t we still got room in our hearts for sympathy?

442309 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Banjones, 2, #705 of 2075 🔗

It’s mean’t in the spirit of informing others before they consent, in any case if someone has no respect for their health by taking it who am I to argue?

He came to give us the gory details of vaccinating, unfortunately those that died can’t give us the details of their experience, & those suffering uncontrollable shaking can’t use a keyboard.

I’m fine with personal private choice, but if you come to a public forum to share expect feed back. Freedom of speech!

442334 ▶▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Anti_socialist, #706 of 2075 🔗

I’m breaking my recently self imposed rule of not engaging in vaccination discussions, but I feel this needs a response; there is an increase in deaths that could be attributed to the vaccination, but it is likely to be the Pfizer as this was the first rolled out.

442392 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to John, 2, #707 of 2075 🔗

there is an increase in deaths that could be attributed to the vaccination, but it is likely to be the Pfizer as this was the first rolled out.

Of course not a single person has died from taking the AZ ‘vaccine’.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/964208/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print__2_.pdf

Sounds like you’re now trying to justify taking the AZ as it’s safer.

442410 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John, 1, #708 of 2075 🔗

And the long-term effects? Oh, that’s right they haven’t finished human trials yet.

The AZ has officially killed more.

442256 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John, 3, #709 of 2075 🔗

From now on, don’t eat Bananas. Look what happened to this guy:

442274 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to John, #710 of 2075 🔗

And I daresay the T cells will remain so – otherwise their poison programme will be buggered up good and proper.

442014 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 66, #711 of 2075 🔗

The American equivalent of kh’s blackboard.

442017 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biggles, 6, #712 of 2075 🔗

Brilliant!!!!

442033 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biggles, 22, #713 of 2075 🔗

Great, a twinning opportunity …

442041 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Biggles, 10, #714 of 2075 🔗

I do wish we could see more of that here!

Trouble is, here the owner would probably be wrestled to the ground and have their heads cracked open by the “pigs”!

442266 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Biggles, 3, #715 of 2075 🔗

Great stuff!

(I asked yesterday – has anyone ever seen the ”No mask – we don’t ask” sign in any retail premises?)

442701 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Banjones, #716 of 2075 🔗

I haven’t, sadly. Have seen quite a few “no mask no entry” signs though.

442025 Ewan Duffy, 4, #717 of 2075 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0301/1200254-employers-cannot-dismiss-employees-who-decline-vaccine/

An interesting article on RTE explaining the legal situation in Ireland around refusing the vaccine and employment law.

442042 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #718 of 2075 🔗

All this talk about vaccine passports and the fact that we’re being told not to expect any foreign holidays this year brings home yet again another inconvient truth about this shit show – this has long ago ceased to be about some virus.

I was reminded of this when I watched Neil Oliver’s segment in Mike Graham’s programme last week and both men were talking about “environmental concerns” that could be used to justify another lockdown or restrictions to our movements. This was then reinforced by the presentation done by our departmental “green representatives” during our training last week. Which had the usual guff about rising temperatures yet nothing about how February 2021 has seen some of the coldest temperatures in many parts of the world including the UK to the point that Texas experienced massive power failures as a result of the wind turbines freezing up and the blades coming off as the ice caused them to become brittle, break and kill unsuspecting wildlife.

Further compounding it was about how lockdown has supposedly lowered our emissions yet there’s nothing about how masks and PPE are causing massive harm to the environment and lockdowns too have led to the resurgence of illegal poaching and conservation programmes under threat.

One of the green representatives is a close friend of mine and I wondered how they came about with their presentation where they missed out the stuff I mentioned above.

The vast majority of people even those who claim to care for the environment don’t realise that all this is being driven by people who want to send the vast majority of the world’s population back to the Stone Age while the elite carry on as normal. Can’t have the riff raff enjoying good food and a week’s holiday in Paris now can we?

442047 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #719 of 2075 🔗

My Greta meter was twitching the minute the first lockdown was announced.
This is to do with the climate cult.
the Covidian cult is just a trial run – they will flit effortlessly betwixt the two

442083 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Crystal Decanter, 11, #720 of 2075 🔗

Yes the Greentard Fascist cult failed to convince the sheeple of their plant-food causes everything bullshit. No science, just made up stupid. So the only solution is Health Fascism to enforce the Build-Back-Better-WEF-Greentard utopia.

442128 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 3, #721 of 2075 🔗

Yes the National Socialists were a very Green bunch
oft left out of the history books that one

442101 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #722 of 2075 🔗

Same here. I did think even as early as the first lockdown that the green movement would use this shit show to drive their agendas that would have been rejected in the ballot box.

442052 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #723 of 2075 🔗

Great post Bart!

Yes, the green agenda focus on the wrong things and some of their statements are absolute nonsense.

The world is currently polluted on a massive scale by mountains of masks, PPE and other disposable items.

442108 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 12, #724 of 2075 🔗

Exactly. That cartoon you posted is spot on.

There was so much hysteria over coffee cups, straws and single use plastic back in 2017-8 but now nothing about masks and PPE when they’re actually more harmful.

442058 ▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #725 of 2075 🔗

Late 2019 a report was issued by Cambridge University ( http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/news/absolute-zero ) that suggested that one of the ways of meeting our net zero climate goals would be by effectively closing Heathrow and other main airports. At the time, surprisingly near to the start of Covid, that looked ludicrous. And what have we now?….

442112 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to davews, 3, #726 of 2075 🔗

Yep. How very, very convenient…….

442271 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #727 of 2075 🔗

There was some twat of a woman talking about how eating beef and meat in general is causing dangerous, nay, deadly ! CO2 emissions and is the main driver of CO2 climate change next to energy production.

She was waffling on about how we need to think about eating environment friendly foods.

Oh yer ok then….

Yep COVID19 is brought to you by the same lying scamming Satan worshipping evil dooers as climate change.

How else are they going to reach their carbon targets. They needed a covid bomb to do it.
All the rest is psy-op and a banking reset.

442333 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 2, #728 of 2075 🔗

Take a look at the book ”Fake invisible catastrophes and threats of doom” (by a Dr Campbell who is obviously cheesed off with Greenpeace). As he points out, if the CO2 levels sink too low plant life will struggle.

442562 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, #729 of 2075 🔗

The funny thing is vegetarians and vegans especially actually harm the environment more than the average omnivore.

That twat should just been honest and advocate for mass seppuku to save the planet.

Then she can start with herself to set an example.

442978 ▶▶▶▶ Woden, replying to Bart Simpson, #730 of 2075 🔗

Explain this sweeping statement with some facts..

442053 John, replying to John, 4, #731 of 2075 🔗

The situation in Scotland as reported by the BBC:
“Under the new system, local authorities which have a case rate of more than 150 cases per 100,000 are likely to end up in level four – when only essential shops can open and hospitality must close.
The previous threshold for level four was 300 cases per 100,000 .

Cases will also need to drop to below 50 per 100,000 in a local authority before it will be considered for level two , much lower than the previous rate of 150 per 100,000 . That is the level where non-essential journeys outside the authority boundary are allowed and pubs can serve alcohol.”

442137 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to John, 2, #732 of 2075 🔗

Assume cases will actually be +ve tests so the 50/100000 will never be reached. Devi Shridar’s prohibitionist agenda triumphs again.

442311 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to John, 2, #733 of 2075 🔗

It certainly is the last lockdown, ie never to end

442411 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to John, #734 of 2075 🔗

Same in Germany. They keep setting the goal as lower numbers.

442060 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #735 of 2075 🔗

With the pandemic ending, people who yell at others to wear masks in danger of never feeling important again

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1366673404003237888

442299 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Victoria, 6, #736 of 2075 🔗

I always thought it was probably the most exciting thing that has ever happened in some people’s sad and narrow little lives.

442414 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Banjones, 3, #737 of 2075 🔗

It is quite well know that in Nazi Germany people who had low social standing became Gauleiters etc and thrived on their little bit of power.

443236 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Banjones, #738 of 2075 🔗

They just didn’t get out enough when they could…

442061 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 18, #739 of 2075 🔗

Time is rapdily running aganist vaccine pasporting, hence why anyone thinking of taking the vaccine should delay until the last possible moment.

I think we are taking too UK-centric a view. Fortunately the EU screwed up their vaccination program and have barely got going – at the same time
a) seasonality will kill off the virus and
b) countries desperate for the tourist dollar will press governments to open the borders.
c) many European countries are less compliant than the UK. The French in particular seem vaccine-sceptic:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(21)00012-8/fulltext

I don’t know whether those on this site living in France agree?

442079 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BTLnewbie, 9, #740 of 2075 🔗

If you really really have to wait for the nasal spray
It looks to be the least worst option and will give you your treasured indulgence to get on a plane
I shall be forging my papers ta very much

442089 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to BTLnewbie, 10, #741 of 2075 🔗

There will be passports for virtue-signalling purposes. But there will also HAVE to be exemptions. By international law for one thing. Just hang on until an exemption QR code comes along, and then it will be like getting the green light at the gate when they scan your boarding card. Nobody will know, but vanity will be satisfied.

442130 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #742 of 2075 🔗

Good point and even then there will be too many glitches and issues. That’s why the NHS T&T and QR code failed, even many top of the line smartphones were rejecting them or were failing to scan the codes.

442197 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #743 of 2075 🔗

Yep. one thing never highly publicised, is that technology is fallible, and completely far from foolproof. eg. Many years ago in Germany, a Minister Wolfgang Schauble was an early advocate of security via fingerprint technology; didn’t take long for him to be proven wrong, in short order a few hacking wizards obtained 4000 copies of his fingerprints and distributed them in a newsletter. Fortunately for him it was just done to prove a point, and none of them showed up at a crime scene.

442429 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #744 of 2075 🔗

Stern Magazine in Germany a few years ago had an interesting article about a hotel in a smallish town which converted into housing for asylum seekers as the hotel was not viable in it’s traditional form.
It stated that the owner saw one of his previous “guests” in the local town a few weeks after he had been deported. A Tunisian man who was an economic refugee. The hotel owner asked what is the use of the authorities taking fingerprints of all asylum seekers, when they do not check them to find repeaters like this man, who just got himself new papers, or not, with a different name.

442433 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Silke David, 1, #745 of 2075 🔗

We have a lot to learn from these people.

442613 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #746 of 2075 🔗

That kind of lack of imagination lost the Gerries the vor.

442329 ▶▶ m vendee, replying to BTLnewbie, #747 of 2075 🔗

Not sure of the French sceptasism re vaccine. I do know that in the Vendée, the vaccine booking system is hopeless.

442364 ▶▶ houdini, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #748 of 2075 🔗

I think that’s right no need to panic let’s wait and see.
I think the fear levels are dropping however many variations they find.

442066 frankfrankly, 6, #749 of 2075 🔗

The always excellent Tom Woods has a free ebook of arguments and graphs-re the US of course. He highlights the futility of NPI’s such as lockdown and masking. He is particularly good at showing how the lockdown hysterics’ predictions are always wrong-for example, re Florida, with an average death rate although it has the second oldest US pop. There was no prediction: “If you dare to open it will be terible with average results!” Perhaps someone good at graphs here could do something similar for the UK and Europe. http://www.ChartsTheyForgot.com

442067 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #750 of 2075 🔗

Ok – so why do ‘measures’ totally eradicate flu (snigger), but not touch Covid? Spooky innit? We must try harder. Lockdown harder.

‘Why the next flu season may be worse than ever’

https://mol.im/a/9314063

442076 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #751 of 2075 🔗

Covid 2022…..Tasmanian variant?

442123 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 4, #752 of 2075 🔗

What about Covid 2023 the Siberian variant?

442146 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #753 of 2075 🔗

I thnk the Russians are more sceptical than the Aussies or Brits 🙂

442167 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to FerdIII, 2, #754 of 2075 🔗

I read somewhere that vaccine uptake is very low in Russia.

442365 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to FerdIII, #755 of 2075 🔗

Reading the comments on Sky News Australia (Youtube) after any article on ”vaccines” it would seem there are a lot of sceptical people there too.

442607 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to FerdIII, #756 of 2075 🔗

I’ve just had an email from a mate in Hobart. I get the impression it’s just dawning on them that there’s a shitstorm brewing up in the Gulf of Carpentaria as they approach winter. I hope it turns left and visits NZ. I have correspondents in Auckland and Christchurch. My pen is poised ….

442069 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #757 of 2075 🔗

Can people wear masks when exercising?

Even the totally corrupt WHO says no to this

https://twitter.com/aliwhufc/status/1366672532162703361

442095 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Victoria, 3, #758 of 2075 🔗

Another cartoon to dumb down the plebs.

442142 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stefarm, 2, #759 of 2075 🔗

Before LD 3 I did see an idiot at the gym with the diaper on. I told him to take it off. He ignored me.

Not seen a face diaper on a jogger or road cyclist..yet….but expecting it any day now. See plenty of idiots wearing one walking….just shake my head FFS how stupid are they?

442325 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to FerdIII, 4, #760 of 2075 🔗

I have seen cyclists and joggers wearing a smothering.

They are beyond stupid

442072 FerdIII, 15, #761 of 2075 🔗

NHS workers: 70% of Blacks, 40% of Muslims-Indians-Filipinos not interested in the jab.

Idiots at SAGE blame White Racism for reluctance of BAME NHS staff to inject themselves with the experimental-drug poison. Considering that Pharma and Gates, routinely use Africans and Asians as guineau pigs, their claims as usual are STUPID.

Trust is also undermined by structural and institutional racism and discrimination. Minority ethnic groups have historically been underrepresented within health research , including vaccines trials, which can influence trust in a particular vaccine being perceived as appropriate and safe, and concerns that immunisation research is not ethnically heterogeneous,” the SAGE report stated.

Just more proof that SAGE is STUPID and all its members need to meet a prison.

442074 Victoria, 11, #762 of 2075 🔗

If the courts hadn’t totally abdicated responsibility last year in our cases, lockdowns would be over, businesses would be open, the economy recovering and perhaps we’d be able to sit down inside a pub, no booking needed, and keep our local from ruin.

https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1366658885763948546

442080 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 10, #763 of 2075 🔗

The Scientists’ Creed

I believe in SAGE,
“The Science” almighty,
Creator of models and vaccines,
and in Matt Hancock, his only Disciple, our Tormentor,
who was conceived by the Holy Johnson,
born of the Public Health Officials,
suffered under The Covid Recovery Group,
was questioned, ridiculed on Twitter, and was discredited;
he descended into a Red Room;
on the “I’ve lost count of how many” days he rose again from the Shitstorm;
he ascended into Imperial College,
and is seated at the right hand of SAGE “The Science” almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the unvaccinated.
I believe in the Holy Johnson,
the holy Model Creators,
the communion of Variants,
the forgiveness of atrocities against thine people,
the resurrection of the Lockdown,
and Covid everlasting.
Amen.

442131 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #764 of 2075 🔗

Excellent work. I adapt the Creed to Athests and the Church of Darwin. Another religion of ‘science’. Just like Rona.

442154 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to FerdIII, #765 of 2075 🔗

I was inspired by the Irreverend podcast. I wouldn’t call myself religious, but I find my Catholic upbringing is lurking. We could use a bit more faith right about now.

442487 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Fear is Finite, #766 of 2075 🔗

Born into a very virtue signalling “Hindoo” brahmin family, and believe in a Divine Creator, I find religion a little distasteful, though I admire those of sincere faith. That being said, what little I do know of the Bible, this all seems a very scarily what Revelations foretold, especially the likelihood of this experimental jab being the MOTB.

442081 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 54, #767 of 2075 🔗

Take that Peter Hitchens!!

442090 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, 24, #768 of 2075 🔗

Good lad. Who wants to be a genetically engineered freakshow?

442426 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #769 of 2075 🔗

I see what you did there 😉

442109 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Victoria, 21, #770 of 2075 🔗

I would have thought the fittest people on the planet should all be refusing the experimental gene therapy.

442427 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Victoria, 2, #771 of 2075 🔗

Joke’s on him, there won’t be another Olympics.

Ever.

442086 dhid, replying to dhid, 29, #772 of 2075 🔗

Yet another “suggestion” from the NHS in a letter received today , to book a CV jab, which I have clearly said I do not want, to both the main NHS contact phone line and to my GP’s unsolicited phone call to me, and a subsequent lying and inaccurate letter I posted here about.

I made it absolutely clear I did not want to be contacted again about the vaccination.

If this were any other sales organisation we could report them for breaches to telecoms regulations, having been told not to contact me again, and for unsolicited, coercive spam mail.

Unfortunately it’s the fucking useless, pointless, waste of money, law unto themselves, NHS, so would be a waste of my time, and would probably get even more unwanted attention from them!

Bastards!

Sorry, I feel better now.

442126 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to dhid, 10, #773 of 2075 🔗

You will likely be entered in the Refusenik Database. The next letter/text will inform you of where to pick up your Yellow Star.

442243 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to FerdIII, 1, #774 of 2075 🔗

Waiting for the “offer” of a tattoo…..

442222 ▶▶ rose, replying to dhid, 3, #775 of 2075 🔗

There is a small box on the envelope that the book a jab crap comes in that says I can tick if no longer at this address. I opened the first letter and binned, but the next one will be returned with a ticker box. I don’t suppose it will stop them sending more but worth a try

442250 ▶▶▶ dhid, replying to rose, #776 of 2075 🔗

I did think about that, but they’ll probably call the local authority so they can “investigate”, for council tax purposes of course.

442100 Victoria, 13, #777 of 2075 🔗

Face masks in the classroom are clearly nonsensical (in the prime minister’s own words) so why isn’t there more pushback on this ? And what about the confusion of face-to-face teaching in masks – you can’t assess children’s progress without seeing and engaging with their faces…

https://twitter.com/Fox_Claire/status/1366425491813642250

442115 peyrole, 15, #778 of 2075 🔗

THE PHE PRE-PRINT DATA ON THE VACCINES
Just wasted an hour of my life working my way through this turgid paper. Firstly its badly written, almost seems deliberately so.
The ‘results’ are completely dependant on PCR test results, and mix pillar one ( hospital tests) with pillar 2 ( community tests) which we know are wildly different.
It again reports ‘relative’ efficacy rather than ‘absolute’ efficacy , just like the vaccine trial interim reports.
The result shown is that the vaccines ‘may’ reduce hospitalisation by 50% and death by 40% ( after two doses), but this varies depending on time after vaccinations.
With all the efforts to inflict fascist conditions on society, the end result is a vaccine that might be as effacious as those for seasonal flu. Which of course was always going to be the end result.
On this basis Hancock will claim ‘victory’.

442119 James Leary #KBF, 10, #779 of 2075 🔗

They’ve obviously got lots of spare muzzles to flog off before this whole shitshow folds. New season’s ones coming out in September so the current stock must be cleared!

That creepy little fucker needs taking out.

442124 Victoria, 18, #780 of 2075 🔗

Every single day this madness goes on, is another livelihood destroyed and another life crushed.

Open up now.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1366425005299490822

442125 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 11, #781 of 2075 🔗

I have good reason to believe that Hancock is desperate for variants, and that experts think it a waste of time to hunt for them and think vaccinations are fine to keep things going well, including coping with variants. He wants twice daily briefings on any possible variants.

A disturbing shift in the narrative came in December a few days after the Pfizer vaccine was introduced and coincidentally a new wave of deaths began. On 10 December I received an answer to an FOI request to PHE stating that they did not use DNA testing as a diagnostic method but only 5 days later with the announcement of the Kent variant they were telling BMJ that they had DNA sequenced 140,000 cases. I recorded this matter in BMJ Rapid Responses:-

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4857/rr-4

Re: Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK – the emergence of COG-UK
Dear Editor
In November I wrote to Public Health England asking:
“In how many cases of Covid in the UK has the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus been established by DNA sequencing? Please provide information about the status of the cases.”
On 10 December, just six days before the publication of this article by Jacqui Wise [1] I received this reply:
“”PHE do not use sequencing as a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV 2. Sequencing is only attempted where a sample has already tested positive for SARS-CoV2 using a standard diagnostic PCR test. PHE is not aware of any instances where the presence of SARS-CoV 2 has been determined using sequencing.”
So, no mention of COG-UK. I am puzzled, was there any public knowledge of COG-UK before the present episode? For instance, a search on “COG-UK” in Rapid Responses produces no results, so it was scarcely on the tip of everyone’s tongue. What could have been the reason for apparently withholding the details of this no doubt very costly public enterprise?
[1] Jacqui Wise, ‘Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK’, BMJ 2020; 371 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m4857 (Published 16 December 2020)

WHAT IS GOING ON?

442176 ▶▶ jos, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 7, #782 of 2075 🔗

Short answer: a scam.

442188 ▶▶ Suet, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 5, #783 of 2075 🔗

Goes to show you cannot trust a single word, not one single word, that any of these people are saying.

442272 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Suet, 2, #784 of 2075 🔗

They blame ordinary citizens for saying or repeating things that are untrue or mistaken -no doubt they do some of the time – but it is nothing compared with what they do with a gigantic bureaucracy at their disposal and they never seem to have their story straight.

442193 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 3, #785 of 2075 🔗

They want control of people and money, and will coerce in any way to get them

442235 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 1, #786 of 2075 🔗

A shitshow.

442129 Victoria, 15, #787 of 2075 🔗

How long before @borisjohnson and @matthancock are talked about in a similar context? Sarkozy: Former French president sentenced to jail for corruption – BBC News

https://twitter.com/TheFreds/status/1366461611024797712

442132 stewart, replying to stewart, 58, #788 of 2075 🔗

The plan is clear.

In order to travel and be completely free to participate in social life you will either have to show a vaccine certificate or accredit you are not “infected” with a negative test result.

That is without any doubt whatsoever what most governments would like to put in place and are doing their best to do so. The only thing stopping them for now is the actual logistical obstacles.

The more people that accept receiving a covid vaccine, the more likely it becomes that immunity surveillance becomes a reality.

Anyone who doesn’t see this is delusional.

SO STOP WITH THE “YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THOSE WHO CHOSE TO BE VACCINATED” BULLSHIT.

Whether they like it or not, whether it is their intention or not, their actions bring healthcare tyranny ever closer.

And those who do it even though they don’t think they need it, and get it just to go along, like that imbecile Peter Hitchens are the worst of the lot. They don’t do it for their health, they do it out of weakness.

Sorry, this might upset some, but fuck it. It’s the truth.

442134 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 14, #789 of 2075 🔗

Great Fascist Reset. Health and Gaia. The NWO.

442138 ▶▶ merlin, replying to stewart, 24, #790 of 2075 🔗

Those grand parents who are having it so that they can hug their grandchildren are basically shitting on their beloved grandkids. Young , fit, virtue signalling tossers having it is even more reprehensible.

442144 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to merlin, 20, #791 of 2075 🔗

Why don’t they just hug the grandchildren?

Is that a stupid question?

442155 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Ovis, 13, #792 of 2075 🔗

You have to ask the bedwetters. My children have never stopped hugging their grand parents.

442217 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to stewart, 17, #793 of 2075 🔗

Of course that’s the plan, and has been for a long time. This is all just to get the infrastructure in place to enable total surveillance and control. Once it is in place, there is no limit to what they can do.

Don’t take the jab. Fine, you’re barred from society.

Still don’t take the jab. Well, we’re just going to have to put you in a special camp to keep the public safe from people like you.

Criticise the government? Oh dear, your name goes on the list and you’re now barred from participating in society.

Do people not see this coming, or do they just (still) not believe the Government would do this, after the past year?

442403 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to stewart, 2, #794 of 2075 🔗

Does anyone have a good source for fake paperwork?

442598 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Fiona Walker, 4, #795 of 2075 🔗

Sage?

442140 LMS2, 4, #796 of 2075 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WpD4Q2wvGNk

Conservative Reporter Detained At Government Quarantine Facility, Aussies Propose Using MINING CAMPS

“Published on Mar 1, 2021
Conservative Reporter Detained At Government Quarantine Facility, Aussies Propose Using MINING CAMPS. A reporter for Rebel news is currently documenting mandatory covid quarantines in Canada.

While once said to be disinformation by reporters in Canada it seems forced covid quarantine sites have become reality.

In Australia they are even proposing using rural camps and even old mining camps to detain those arriving internationally

While we may have it bad in the US you typically need only worry about Democrat run states like NY which recently saw fury over Assembly Bill A416 which would allow Governor Cuomo the ability to detain people at his own discretion, for the most part.”

442141 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #797 of 2075 🔗

Women recently injected with experimental covid vaccines are showing symptoms of BREAST CANCER

A group of Utah doctors have discovered something terrifying in recent mammogram screenings taken at the Breast Care Centre in Salt Lake City, Utah. Women who were recently injected with experimental COVID vaccines suffer from abnormal inflammation of the lymph nodes in their breasts. According to the Intermountain Healthcare doctors, women who take the covid-19 vaccines are showing symptoms of breast cancer .

Experimental vaccines causing systemic inflammation in breast tissue

Concealing vaccine injury and cancer causes becomes top priority for oncologists

In order to conceal the evidence of this widespread vaccine injury, the doctors are changing mammogram guidelines and refusing to screen the breast tissue of women who were recently vaccinated for covid-19. The doctors now advise all women patients to reschedule their yearly mammograms, either before the first dose or four weeks after the second dose. “We don’t want these patients to get a false positive to have this sort of alarm,” Parkinson said.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-01-women-injected-covid-vaccines-symptoms-breast-cancer.html

442152 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, 10, #798 of 2075 🔗

Lambs to the slaughter.

442195 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Victoria, #799 of 2075 🔗

Fake News/MPs/Occupation Governments: ‘just a coincidence, the experimental drugs are 175% effective….’

442446 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, #800 of 2075 🔗

Effective at what they are truly designed for, at any rate.

442255 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Victoria, 1, #801 of 2075 🔗

What else will Mrna experiments will cause?

442358 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Cumbriacracked, #802 of 2075 🔗

The gift that keeps on giving.

442150 Hawkins_94, replying to Hawkins_94, 19, #803 of 2075 🔗

I am concerned about where this journey is taking us. Most of us on here have known for months vaccine passports were going to get support from the government (although I admittedly allowed myself recently to think they wouldn’t – idiot).

Where is the fight? It’s not in LS, it’s not on Talk Radio, it’s certainly not in the MSM. The EU are pushing for it as well now. Regarding Peter Hitchens…I’m not angry, just disappointed. I was on board with him from the start and saw him as a father figure of sceptics. To take the poison whilst admitting it will lead to a huge increase in state power means he has been beaten back, weakened by the stampede of hate directed at him from all angles. We don’t have to face that sort of hatred from the masses, so I do not fault him, but we can be disappointed. Is there not a chance in 6 months time when he will regret his decision?

The way I see it, we’re simply inviting the inevitable now even though the prevalence of this thing is plummeting and we’re only at the beginning of March. Come May there won’t be any at all due to the seasonality of it.

Will we really accept a vaccine passport, and if not, what are we going to do about it? Our MPs and MSPs aren’t interested and the majority don’t see the importance of taking a stand.

442159 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to Hawkins_94, 28, #804 of 2075 🔗

I feel if I submit to this injection, I will have been gang- raped by the State and Bill Gates for the illusory promise of regaining my freedom.

442171 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Jane G, 8, #805 of 2075 🔗

brutal but accurate description.

442468 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Jane G, 1, #806 of 2075 🔗

It is exactly that, as well subjecting children and the vulnerable to it.

442163 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Hawkins_94, 7, #807 of 2075 🔗

We live in a Parliamentary system and it is the small number of MP’s taking a realistic view of the anti-Covid state which is the problem. But we must keep on at MP’s so that over time they change their minds and say “But of course I always had my doubts.”

442170 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hawkins_94, 10, #808 of 2075 🔗

Great post. Do not give up

It is Hitchens’s right to decide to take the jab but the way he bleated about being coerced into getting the jab as he wanted to travel in future is pathetic. He is now a vaccine passport spokesman for the government, big pharma and big business.

442314 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Victoria, 3, #809 of 2075 🔗

Exactly. Whether or not you take the vaccine should be a personal decision but for him to state that the battle is over and we have already lost was unforgivable. I also find his self-promotion as some kind of martyr fighting alone against incredible odds arrogant. Piers Corbyn is 4 years older than him, has been up and down the country attending demos every week, and has been thrown into jail several times. Peter Hitchens wrote a few columns and gave a few interviews.

442182 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Hawkins_94, 7, #810 of 2075 🔗

Blair is the UK antagonist for ID, always has been, just as he was for the US war in Iraq, Johnson and Hancock are Blairites

442301 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 5, #811 of 2075 🔗

I think people mistake the real significance of Blair.

It doesn’t just lie in the promulgation of universal ID and the adherence to global corporatism. It goes back 20 years, when he became the leader who, elected at a time when nominal change was inevitable, used his position to skew the role of the former opposition towards its political opposite – thus narrowing the scope of politics immensely.

A major part of that top-down transition was the election of large numbers of malleable and inexperienced nobodies to the green benches. The result of this is seen today in what is now a total lack of any viable opposition under Blair Mk II as leader.

442419 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Hawkins_94, 1, #812 of 2075 🔗

There is no fight, they are following their own agenda for total control. There is not fight because in a fight you have victims on both sides – here we don’t have any victims whatsoever on the government side.

442160 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 9, #813 of 2075 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iFg2yGbNlEs

Isolating CHILDREN For 2 Weeks?
“Published on Feb 28, 2021
I thought it was a fake news story / meme until I read the article and saw the link was legit. It’s madness and there seems to be no bottom of the barrel. ”

https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/experts-call-peel-guidelines-to-place-children-in-solitary-quarantine-cruel-punishment/wcm/0f44aaaa-7d93-403b-9296-31ea2f16f6df/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
“Experts call Peel guidelines to place children in solitary quarantine ‘cruel punishment’
Drastic measure not supported by science and could have long-lasting psychological effects

Peel Health has issued guidelines to parents instructing them to keep any children who have been sent home because a classmate has tested positive for COVID-19 isolated in a separate room from all other family members for 14 days.
The severe guidelines, which apply even to small children who are dismissed from child care, are being criticized by experts as harmful and not supported by science.
“This is cruel punishment for a child, especially for younger children, 4-10 years old,” Dr. Susan Richardson, a microbiologist and infectious disease physician who is also a professor emerita at University of Toronto, wrote in an email to the Sun.
“Shutting a child off from their parents and siblings for up to 14 days in this manner could produce significant and long-lasting emotional and psychological effects.” ”

The original guidelines issued by the Peel district in Canada appear to have been removed, I assume because of the backlash, but not before a few parents tweeted about the distress it was causing them and their small children when they followed these insane,psychopathic guidelines.

442164 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to LMS2, 7, #814 of 2075 🔗

Its not unusual to have this planet run by psychopaths, in fact, its more common than most would think.

442244 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, 4, #815 of 2075 🔗

The psychopaths have always wanted to rule the planet, the last year governments and the majority of the population have allowed them to do it.

442165 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 15, #816 of 2075 🔗

Psychiatrist says the world is suffering from “mass delusional psychosis” because of pandemic
https://tapnewswire.com/2021/02/the-world-is-suffering-from-mass-delusional-psychosis/

442200 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Victoria, 5, #817 of 2075 🔗

He just noticed? March 31rst 2020 this was self-evident….

442202 ▶▶ jos, replying to Victoria, 3, #818 of 2075 🔗

I’m not.

442214 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 5, #819 of 2075 🔗

Not me
I know exactly who the collaborators are now
Eyes wide open

442415 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Victoria, 2, #820 of 2075 🔗

“mass delusional psychosis” inflicted by their governments with the total support of mass-media.

442664 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 1, #821 of 2075 🔗

A bit slow on the uptake because I’ve noticed the “mass delusional psychosis” since March 2020.

442172 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #822 of 2075 🔗

I just got a three day posting ban on Fakebook so I have more time for this forum.

A note to those being harassed by green environmental friends/colleagues about restrictions to justify saving the planet.

I accept the AWG science but bear with me. Ask your friends/Greta fans etc how they imagine the carbon dioxide levels are going to be reduced by reducing air travel, cars, holidays etc. Currently at 417 parts per million – not seen for millions of years.

  1. Zero emissions have not occurred during the lockdown – that is an absolute fact. Emissions may be reduced but the overall amount of carbon dioxide is still going up.
  2. Even if zero emissions were achieved, how do they propose reducing the currently high levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. A small amount of CO2 is scrubbed from the atmosphere every year by natural processes such as rock weathering and absorption by sinks such as the oceans and forests. However, the Amazon was widely reported in 2017 as being a net emitter of carbon dioxide due to deforestation, high temperatures (photosynthesis stops at 104F). Whether 2017 was exceptional I don’t know. The point is that at some point (I fear we may have passed that point)natural processes take over – this is what has happened in previous past mass extinction events. No humans involved.
  3. Ask your green friends if they are aware of something called “global dimming.” This is the phenomenon whereby aerosol particles from volcanic eruptions, industry, cars, planes bounce some of the solar radiation back into space and cool the planet. Point out that reducing industrial emissions may increase the warming.
  4. Ask them about so-called renewable energy. You have to burn a shedload of fossil fuels to manufacture and erect a single wind turbine. Michael Moore did a documentary on this which outraged the “greenwash” brigade and his leftie friends. Go see “Planet of the Humans.”

You don’t have to accept a single word of what I have said. But if you want to cause your deluded greeny friends’ minds to blow up, please consider deploying these arguments. They will have no answer. My attitude to the current situation and its handmaidens is, “No surrender, no mercy, no quarter.”

442189 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #823 of 2075 🔗

When you strip away the touchy feely Green veneer these people want de-population
I just wish they would be honest about it

442261 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #824 of 2075 🔗

I want depopulation because i’m a misanthrope, it’s why I wouldn’t dream of talking idiots out of the “vaccines”.

442270 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to Crystal Decanter, #825 of 2075 🔗

I don’t. I want a better quality of life for as many as possible. Does that settle it for you?

442199 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, -2, #826 of 2075 🔗

Climate change isn’t the issue here. This site is about the Covid shit-show, and there are other forums for other subjects.

The one irrefutable connection re. green issues is that the April lockdown did provide incontrovertible evidence (by its absence) of the dire effect of atmospheric pollution from the internal combustion engine.

What you do about it is another matter.

442257 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #827 of 2075 🔗

Bad news, they don’t need facts, to believe in the alarmist propaganda, nothing will change their minds, the age of debate is over.

Climate change is based on a model, where have we seen a farcical model drive public hysteria before?

442260 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Londo Mollari, #828 of 2075 🔗

This place is for lockdown sceptics not climate mass debaters.

442350 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #829 of 2075 🔗

I had asked question 3 of a green energy consultant who delivered a presentation to my team on the impact of lockdowns on C02. They’d never heard of the phenomenon

442633 ▶▶ Marmalade, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #830 of 2075 🔗

Can’t trap a significant amount of heat with 1000ppm CO2 let alone 417ppm.

When you trap heat, you need something significant and contiguous – like a blanket. The CO2 in the atmosphere is neither of these.

442668 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #831 of 2075 🔗

The Greens have long wanted a return to the bad old days where the rest of us live in the Stone Age while they carry on as normal.

I’m all for sustainability and all that. But I’m not buying what the Greens want.

442186 Inlakesh, replying to Inlakesh, 4, #832 of 2075 🔗

First published Sydney Morning Herald 27th April 2003.

Farce mask: it’s safe for only 20 minutes.

442672 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Inlakesh, #833 of 2075 🔗

I remember seing an article similar when Sars broke out in 2003. The authorities were discouraging people from wearing masks saying they were of no use and that they were better off carrying tissues with them and washing their hands properly.

442190 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 12, #834 of 2075 🔗

Your future – Vaccination Credentials Institute
https://vaccinationcredential.org/

-Big Tech and Government funding
-Digital Storage and wallet of all your vaccines, including CV 19

Would be integrated with ‘Trust Stamp’ an initiative from Banks/Gov’t/Gates and gavi.org to marry CV 19 drug ingestion records with your money to create a ‘cashless’ society

Nothing sinister here. Must be a conspiracy……

442198 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to FerdIII, 3, #835 of 2075 🔗

Plus a central bank?

442216 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DanClarke, 2, #836 of 2075 🔗

Managed by the UN no doubt and the monied interests like the Rockefellers et al.

442196 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #837 of 2075 🔗

They know they are lying, We know they know they’re lying

442234 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to DanClarke, 12, #838 of 2075 🔗

Yes, but unfortunately most people seem to have cabbages for brains. Certainly the people I work with (and formerly though of as intelligent) have just swallowed the party line.

442201 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 15, #839 of 2075 🔗

In 1972, Janis posited groupthink theory as a cause of corporate failure.

He suggested that “once the groupthink mentality sets in, a host of pathologies become prevalent, including self-censorship of any misgivings managers may have, collective rationalization, illusion of invulnerability, stereotypes of outgroups, poor search for alternatives, ignorance of outside information, overestimation of the group’s chances of success and biased information processing” (Mellahi & Wilkinson, 2004: 28).

The susceptibility of public health and medicine to the groupthink mentality – in relation to how to respond to SARS-CoV-2 – has been one of the most dispiriting aspects of this last year. Is this new within public health and medicine, or has it been latent within those fields?

442211 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 9, #840 of 2075 🔗

Funding. Governments. Deep State. Military-Industrial complex (refers to gov’t funding of all agencies incl education, health etc).

Globaloneywarming, Darwinism, Trans-Gay Fascism, ologies aplenty – all funded by government. No dissent. No arguments. No dialectical reasoning. No alternatives.

You want money, relevancy, to be published, to be part of the inner Royal Court ? You bow, you scrape, you believe, you repeat, you show your religiosity.

Culture is king and as with failed corporations (the attributes of culture you cited), so too and far worse, is this witnessed in the publicly funded domains.

442520 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 2, #841 of 2075 🔗

Get rid of fiat currency (and private central banks), scrap all debt (mostly unlawful), and then we just have to take care of the corrupt and inept. Job done

442236 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #842 of 2075 🔗

Of course the implications of people not wanting to, being lazy, scared to or just cannot be bothered to go against “groupthinking” is and will become even more far and wide. Safety is going to be the main loser in my view, not the stupid risk averse safety currently preached, but safety within engineering, new inventions and similar. If during R and D, those people who would have normally said “but what if” don’t real disasters could happen.

442259 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #843 of 2075 🔗

Yes, ‘Groupthink’ has obviously been a massive component.

The one current element left out in 1972 that applies in 2021 is the induced fear as a component holding the framework together.

In the sphere of public health, there has been a direct threat to jobs for those stepping outside the received narrative.

442513 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #844 of 2075 🔗

This is a live “Stanford Experiment”.

442204 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 11, #845 of 2075 🔗

…The second one also normalises this madness and introduces NHS worship.

442390 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 2, #846 of 2075 🔗

grrrrrrr

442396 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PompeyJunglist, #847 of 2075 🔗

I was watching The Great Pottery Throwdown and the nurse on there decorated her pot with rainbows.

442400 ▶▶▶ BSK2, replying to DanClarke, 1, #848 of 2075 🔗

I was rooting for her to be sent home. REALLY hope she gets the boot next week.

442491 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 2, #849 of 2075 🔗

Rainbows are like illusions, once you get close up you find they have no substance to them.

442624 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PompeyJunglist, #850 of 2075 🔗

And they say globohomo is a conspiracy

442683 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PompeyJunglist, 1, #851 of 2075 🔗

Jesus wept. They’re starting them young aren’t they?

442206 PompeyJunglist, replying to PompeyJunglist, 16, #852 of 2075 🔗

A couple of books my Primary School is asking me to read with my four year old. I think they’ve been rolled out across the country.

The first one normalises social distancing and dispensing with human touch…

442219 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PompeyJunglist, 25, #853 of 2075 🔗

Disgusting.

442226 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to kh1485, 23, #854 of 2075 🔗

It turns the stomach doesn’t it? Instead of being sane and reassuring parents to our kids, we’re being asked to highlight and justify the dehumanizing psychosis that’s swept the country.

442245 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to PompeyJunglist, 11, #855 of 2075 🔗

Yes. The state intruding into the most personal aspects of family life. Teaching children that hugging their relatives is a dangerous activity is just vile.

442248 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to PompeyJunglist, 7, #856 of 2075 🔗

Put them in their place right now!!!

442268 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to PompeyJunglist, 5, #857 of 2075 🔗

What really upsets me is how many primary age children will not be able to read due to losing a year (and maybe more) of no education. Not all parents are proactive to teaching their children.

442455 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #858 of 2075 🔗

I saw a shocking sign in a local hairdressers yesterday, full of spelling mistakes.
Of course this has been done by an adult who had full schooling. I am going to take a photo and sent it our local MP with the message, See, it is time the children go back to school.
I did put a note through the hairdressers letter box asking them to check their spelling. I would not book there, one can only hope they have better hair cutting skills!

442409 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to PompeyJunglist, #859 of 2075 🔗

He wrote The Hug, ‘why will no one hug me’ said the Tortoise, ‘Its your shell said Owl, but don’t worry there’s someone for everyone’

442208 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 4, #860 of 2075 🔗

With this episode in our lives lasting nearly a year now, nothing very new is happening, but do we really need a large article about a teacher in California?

442240 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Silke David, 1, #861 of 2075 🔗

Less uncomfortable than the recent Israeli study in which the dead from the experimental drugs since Jan, far outpace those killed by the CV flu…..

442209 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #862 of 2075 🔗

Very interesting NHS document:

https://improvement.nhs.uk/documents/6590/COVID-19-act-excess-death-provisions-info-and-guidance-31-march.pdf

It’s from the NHS to all persons who can complete death certificates and is how they are to do it from March 31st 2020.

It’s called:

Coronavirus Act – excess death provisions: information and guidance for medical practitioners
31 March 2020

Basically the official guidance issued based on the legislation in simple language.

States quite clearly how lax the signing of death certificates was to become.

442220 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #863 of 2075 🔗

No medical or clinical proof is now needed, they can invent whatever bullshit numbers they want to….and you can’t audit the MCCD’s (privacy etc).

442526 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 1, #864 of 2075 🔗

Or object to cremation.

442228 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #865 of 2075 🔗

I read that document right at the very beginning, all the work which was changed following the Shipman case was undone. So many people, even on here, do not realise that the provisions were made right at the beginning for a doctor not to have to see a patient to say it was covid, in addition untrained people who “thought” it was covid could decide that and it went on the death certificate.

My cynical brain has always thought the plan to manipulate the figures to scary high numbers was there from the start.

442238 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #866 of 2075 🔗

And you were right.

442265 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cumbriacracked, 14, #867 of 2075 🔗

Lawyers are finally waking up to the scam – I sent a team of them working on a court case this along with a lot of other stuff that is easy enough to find in the public domain (but they couldn’t) as they asked me for a bit of help.

442293 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #868 of 2075 🔗

Which is one positive. I also read, but cannot find anything now, pressure was applied for relatives to accept covid on the death certificate otherwise the body would not be released. Of course post mortems were curtailed too, so if there was a pushback against the covid diagnosis who knows when the body would have been released.

This also applied to many deaths for certain religions when burial must be completed within defined timescales.

443008 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Cumbriacracked, #869 of 2075 🔗

Everything has been done to maximise ‘cases’/’deaths’ – loose definitions, inadequate tests, indiscriminate testing, removal of direct medical involvement, etc, etc.

Also everything has been done to ramp up fear and downplay opposition (as documented in SAGE minutes), enforce conformity.

443003 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #870 of 2075 🔗

No inconvenient post-mortems to determine actual cause of death.

442212 Old Bill, 23, #871 of 2075 🔗

Here is a first look at the new internationally accepted covvipassport. It is valid for travel all around the world, even in ‘hardline’ countries like Israel.
PS my photoshop skills are non-existent so make allowances please.

comment image

442215 Mic67, 10, #872 of 2075 🔗

Morning – well that comment about Hancock being obsessed with ‘variants’ isn’t creepy at all….?!

442218 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #873 of 2075 🔗

While the economy and small businesses are decimated by this continuous lockdown the Government now wants to train small business owners to improve their management skills.

You just can’t make this up

Article in DM

442224 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 23, #874 of 2075 🔗

Probably not the kind of ‘management speak’ they are used to: get lost Rishi and just let me open my business and earn a f***ing living.

442405 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to kh1485, 3, #875 of 2075 🔗

What are the colleges going to teach you to manage? A smoking crater that used to be your life? Is this guy for real?

442448 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #876 of 2075 🔗

Probably a cover for a ‘re-education’ centre.

442454 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #877 of 2075 🔗

He probably hasn’t fully bankrupted the country yet so looking for something else that’s completely worthless to piss money away on.

442227 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Victoria, 7, #878 of 2075 🔗

It’s the government ministers themselves who should be attending. Let their cronies (to whom £bns have been wastefully given over to acquire PPE, ferries, PCR, Track & Trace etc) pay for their courses.

442230 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Victoria, 10, #879 of 2075 🔗

This enrages me. So many of us have nothing left to manage.

442249 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #880 of 2075 🔗

For most it will just be managing the debt.

442287 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 2, #881 of 2075 🔗

Agreed. Or sinking under it completely.

442237 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 4, #882 of 2075 🔗

Unfortunately, you don’t have to make it up.

‘Lunatics’ and ‘asylum’ are two words that come to mind.

442398 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, #883 of 2075 🔗

‘learn to code’

443013 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #884 of 2075 🔗

That is so last century. ‘Learn to model’ is where it is at these days.

442231 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #885 of 2075 🔗

The article by Norman Fenton is a very significant piece of work, going to the heart of the massive exaggerations about the incidence of ‘Covid-19’ :

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-cambridge-study-testing.html

Now that Spiegelhalter has (apparently) backed off from being too confrontational, we need a leading statistician of risk to tell it as it is. :

  • “Since mass PCR testing began many of those classified as ‘cases’ were not COVID-19. And the Government claim that “1 in 3 with the virus has no symptoms” is massively exaggerated.  There needs to be confirmatory testing for any people testing positive before they are declared a ‘case’.”

This isn’t news to many of us – but it is to many people who believe government crap about ‘1 in 3’. Back in the middle of last year, before the outbreak of PCR infection, the ONS survey figures had some credibility – and I can remember pointing out to people the extremely low possibility of contacting an infected person – even on those numbers.

442338 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 4, #886 of 2075 🔗

The entire edifice of PCR is the key to it all. The weekend articles about doctors liberally applying Covid on death certs was encouraging, but PCR has been purposely used to lie to the public, inject fear and rip off this exchequer

442380 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #887 of 2075 🔗

Right, but now SAGE, WHO and Vallance have all admitted the PCR test is “over-sensitive” and sometimes gives a positive result to people who are not infectious.
So can we get the data amended like we did in the summer, when Carl Henneghan managed to get them to revise the number of Covid deaths (back when they put down anyone who’d ever had a positive PCR test as a Covid death)?

442232 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 8, #888 of 2075 🔗

Appears that the millionaire ex Golden Slacks Hindoo Chancellor’s magic money machine will keep churning out the hundreds of billions in Lockdown plastic…..anything to avoid the economic reality and devastation of the Lockdown attributed by Covidiots to the CV 19 flu. No, the social destruction is from the LDs, not the flu which kills 0.3%. Remember kids, unemployment is 5.1%. Really it is.

Universal Basic Income coming more clearly into focus.

442247 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 3, #889 of 2075 🔗

Is it true his Mrs claimed furlough cash even though uber rich?

442331 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #890 of 2075 🔗

She did indeed

442254 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #891 of 2075 🔗

Notice the new coding for 2021 in the WHO ICD-10 classification of deaths documentation:

February 1, 2021
Added new off-cycle codes related to COVID-19, effective January 1, 2021.

J12.82, Pneumonia due to coronavirus disease 2019
M35.81 Multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS)
M35.89 Other specified systemic involvement of connective tissue
Z11.52 Encounter for screening for COVID-19
Z20.822 Contact with and (suspected) exposure to COVID-19
Z86.16 Personal history of COVID-19
Revised COVID-19 coding tips
Revised exclusionary notes for U07.1

442874 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Awkward Git, #892 of 2075 🔗

Z666.666 Covid vaccine injuries

442262 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #893 of 2075 🔗

Vicky knows cars are dangerous:

“Why can’t Margie see and accept facts straight on, as I do?” Vicky wondered to herself. “I simply don’t accept her claim that the costs and benefits of traveling by automobile must be balanced against the costs and benefits of other activities. Cars can kill – and if not kill, leave long-lasting injuries!” Vicky was convinced that every possible reduction in the risk of being harmed by automobiles was worth whatever sacrifices were necessary to achieve that reduction. Why didn’t Margie share this conviction?
Vicky suspected that poor Margie had fallen under the spell of some cult that denies scientific reality.

“Worth reading in full”

https://www.aier.org/article/the-story-of-vicky/

442281 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #894 of 2075 🔗

Don’t give them ideas or they will ban driving too.

442289 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #895 of 2075 🔗

That will happen. The road pricing £1.50 per mile; electric cars, when there aren’t the components for their batteries in sufficient quantity; only the really well off will be able to afford to drive. It’s part of the green agenda, as you know.

442294 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #896 of 2075 🔗

And Vicky couldn’t physically carry Margie to the emergency room. Even if she could, she wouldn’t, because doing so would increase the risk that both women would be killed as pedestrians by an out-of-control car or truck.
After a half-hour or so Margie lost consciousness. A few minutes later she died. Vicky was heartbroken; she was more grieved than she’d been at any time in her life. But Vicky took real and immense comfort whenever she recalled that she saved Margie from being killed in a car crash.

442363 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, #897 of 2075 🔗

Did you see the clip of a woman being ploughed down by a Uber driverless car?

Uber self-driving car fatal collision video footage

442425 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #898 of 2075 🔗

No offence but I really don’t want to look at that.

442440 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #899 of 2075 🔗

Nothing much to see – the clip is stopped just before impact.

442450 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #900 of 2075 🔗

LOL its like nessie footage, a blur.

442532 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, #901 of 2075 🔗

Ah, OK.

442295 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #902 of 2075 🔗

Oh those plans are well under way.

442490 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Anti_socialist, #903 of 2075 🔗

no – the revenue from road tax, insurance tax, VAT on new cars, MOT fee, Duty on fuel, VAT on Duty and fuel…. they cannot afford it.
Same economics for smoking. If they treated smoking like they do covid it would have been banned years ago. But Duty and tax on tobacco and the pension savings from early death outweigh costs of treatment so they cannot afford to stop that either

442645 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to mj, 1, #904 of 2075 🔗

I think you may have missed the memo that money doesn’t really exist now they found the magic money tree.

442264 richmond, replying to richmond, 5, #905 of 2075 🔗

What I would be interested to know is how many covid deaths there have really been.

We know that 2020 had about 615,000 deaths. That’s higher than the previous few years, so something happened. We know that there were 73,000 excess deaths (compared to the average of the previous 5 years).

About half of that 73,000 are not covid, because they will have been caused by clearing vulnerable patients out of hospitals into care homes in March (50-60,000 in total, judging by the CEBM website for 29 September 2020) but some would have died in 2020 anyway. So I’m guessing perhaps 40,000 would have lived into 2021.)

So that leaves perhaps 33,000 deaths that might have been covid.

Then, how many suicides? And how many deaths from undiagnosed illnesses? Anything else caused by the lockdown?

So a final figure of what? 25-30,000? Not really a pandemic in the old-fashioned, real sense of the word.

Is that a reasonable calculation? Higher? Lower? What do people think?

442277 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to richmond, 4, #906 of 2075 🔗

Define covid?

442283 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to richmond, 2, #907 of 2075 🔗

How many covid deaths have there really been?

In order to know that you must first have unambiguous symptoms which distinguish covid from every other disease.

I am slowly coming to the realization that it doesn’t matter how many ‘covid deaths’ there have been compared to common respiratory afflictions sich as flu, because the symptoms are indistinguishable.

Therefore. it only makes sense to consider these ilnesses as a group when one compares the number with past years or between countries.

442462 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to rockoman, #908 of 2075 🔗

Whatever. So what caused the extra deaths?

442620 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to richmond, #909 of 2075 🔗

Lockdown and associated measures.

Death rates varied directly according to jurusdiction – state, depertement etc.

But viruses don’t know where one state ends and anther begins.

Excess deaths were caused by human intervention -lockdown plus associated measures.

442308 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richmond, 5, #910 of 2075 🔗

Seems reasonable

It’s hard to know because the waters have been deliberately muddied

What isn’t hard to know is that the levels of “excess” death are unexceptional in the UK and everywhere else, and are no justification for any of the folly and evil

442323 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richmond, #911 of 2075 🔗

We know that there were 73,000 excess deaths (compared to the average of the previous 5 years).”

You can’ ‘know’ about ‘excess deaths’. They are a modeller’s fiction, and can be varied to suit any objective. Currently, the term is an inaccurate substitute for knowing the actual deaths attributable to Covid. Now why would that be?

442460 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to RickH, #912 of 2075 🔗

‘Excess deaths’ is a simple calculation. I know it in the same way I know that 2 + 2 = 4.

442540 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to richmond, #913 of 2075 🔗

Depends on what baseline you use (i.e. what is ‘normal’). 5 year average, 10 year average, weighted by population (deaths per 100,000), weighted by population and age etc.

442389 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to richmond, 1, #914 of 2075 🔗

I’ve asked on numerous occasions how does Covid-19 kill? What are people dying of? I’ve received no real answer, except, from pneumonia caused by immune response complications, similar to flu, now there’s a coincidence.

And I don’t diminish the severity of flu, I have had, its horrible, but I had a strong immune system to fight it naturally.

442537 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to richmond, #915 of 2075 🔗

Whoever didn’t die naturally of rebranded flu is a victim of murder, IMO, especially those poor people that were being shoved indiscriminately (deliberately?) on to ventilators when fully conscious!

442275 JayBee, 5, #916 of 2075 🔗

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/corona_gipfel_eine_nebelgranate_namens_stufenplan
The shift to step by step/tiered ‘plans’ is just as much a deception and smoke bomb to continue to control and coerce us as the solely case or numbers driven system was.

442276 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #917 of 2075 🔗

For people still thinking this is about a virus & government has your best interests at heart, watch this. The Dictator’s Playbook Why is it socialists never talk about or use North Korea as an example when they sing the praises of socialism?

442288 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #918 of 2075 🔗

It’s been a long time now since I understood that there’s idea x (for instance socialism) and then there’s people doing y and calling it x (for instance socialism) …

442377 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to norwegian, #919 of 2075 🔗

Presumably that made sense to you, I guess that’s all that matters.

442302 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #920 of 2075 🔗

For people still thinking this is about a virus”

The virus, or the fear of it, is the mechanism by which control is being exerted. Debunk the danger, remove the fear and the control is hard to sustain.

442280 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 17, #921 of 2075 🔗

current state of play

442307 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #922 of 2075 🔗

That’s as close to drinking in a bar any of us will ever get. A distant memory from a former lifetime.

442340 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Richard O, 1, #923 of 2075 🔗

last time I did anything like that was December. Hopefully people will find these places when they open again in April.

442346 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #924 of 2075 🔗

My last ever visit to a pub was in February 2020.

442386 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 5, #925 of 2075 🔗

doubt it
Life finds a way there will be plenty of clandestine watering holes

442988 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to crimsonpirate, #926 of 2075 🔗

No entree?

442282 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 48, #927 of 2075 🔗

I have received an invitation from the National Health Service to have one of the so called vaccines. The accompanying leaflet helpfully tells me that the vaccine (ignoring the fact that there is more than one) is both safe and effective. It says that people should have the vaccine (unless they have severe allergies). The leaflet has a section on side effects, which are made to sound unlikely and minimal. The leaflet lists possible side effects as: tenderness in the arm, feeling tired, headache, mild flu-like symptoms. The leaflet also points out that vaccinated individuals still have to follow all the coronavirus guidance.

It is difficult to see how the information could be more misleading. The leaflet seems to have been written by the National Propaganda Service. It certainly does not comply with the NHS’s ethical duty to ensure that consent is informed and voluntary.

442286 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #928 of 2075 🔗

Yes I posted here about the same letter I received today too.

442328 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #929 of 2075 🔗

The need for such propaganda is worrying in itself. Surely if you life was in danger and this was your saviour, it wouldn’t need the constant forcing of the narrative.

These vaccines are terribly important, all the while cases and deaths recede across the world. I’ll wait for more data thanks.

442341 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #930 of 2075 🔗

I have a severe allergy to authoritarian government does that count?

442285 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 17, #931 of 2075 🔗

Seems every country is talking about Vaccine passports (it’s just a mask remember), I’ve come to one conclusion. They want everybody to have a vaccine. So why,

  • it isn’t about the flu with new name that kills less than the flu.
  • It surely isn’t about money, why would governments destroy all their economies just so a few pharma’s can make a killing (I won’t excuse the pun)
  • Is it about control, surely there are better ways to control the sheep than giving everybody poison.

My only conclusion is to lower the worlds population, a vaccine passport will mean you will continually need a jab. These jab I can alone assume will over time will reduce Life expectancy and fatality rates.

442306 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Andrew K, 3, #932 of 2075 🔗

Russia and China are now both actively trying to increase their birth rates, so I assume that their vaccines are not on board with this agenda.

Of course they are not using mRNA means.

442368 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to rockoman, 7, #933 of 2075 🔗

Russia appears not totally on board with the whole agenda – Putin gave a speech recently where he basically said, ‘NWO No you don’t not so fast’. Still wouldn’t sit down for a green tea with him though.

442313 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Andrew K, 9, #934 of 2075 🔗

I wonder if you might be underestimating the greed motivation here. It is certainly not just pharma who are making a killing from all this. Governments are only destroying the parts of economies that don’t benefit them and their mates.

442318 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #935 of 2075 🔗

I think this is too big a number for it just to be about pharma profits, although of course they will want to profit from anything.

442339 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Andrew K, 8, #936 of 2075 🔗

Is it about control, surely there are better ways to control the sheep than giving everybody poison.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s made of of coloured water, it is the act of Hitchens like surrender of himself /betrayal of others that confirms that control has been achieved psychologically, and that future rebellion therefore becomes impossible (this IS like 1984, after the personal betrayal occurs).
And once we have a cowardly population, we will always have a cowardly population. Then see the REAL control begin over the next decade, leading to the magical year of 2030.

442382 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 4, #937 of 2075 🔗

But surely they would be killing off the sheeple rather than the sceptics who are harder to control? They will be left with a population made up of conscientious objectors not fanboys and girls.

442441 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Fiona Walker, 6, #938 of 2075 🔗

The vaxx will not kill everyone, as I said above it could even be inert, it is the act of vaxx-compliance that freezes the population into perpetual cowardice and conformity.
There are two distinct but complementary processes going on here;
(1) the willingness to surrender one’s life to an untested gene therapy (the willingness to give into the government at their bidding at any time).
(2) the impact of this untested therapy itself in the long and short term, people do not necessarily die immediately (it could even be their offspring who suffer the consequences, we simply do not know).
The plan is that the objectors will slowly be overwhelmed/invalidated over the next decade, this has been factored in. Kids’ schooling will soon become dependent on getting the vaxx before too long, and many (Hitchens like) will just cave in under the psychological pressure (it is NOT however coercion, as he tried to paint it).
I suspect the government estimates that objectors will be at around 20% by the end of 2021, but the time we get to the magic year of 2030 this percentage will be negligible. Remember also, the vaxx will be declared fully trialled and ‘safe’ by 2023, but by then it will be too late for society, the psychological damage of having surrendered one’s body to previously illegal mafia-like threats and propaganda from the state will have been done.

442369 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Andrew K, 6, #939 of 2075 🔗

It’s for a reason as old as time.

There is always and always has been one group of people who want to dominate and control another group.

This is what one particular group of people are pushing to have more control and power.

This has always been so and ideas and visions have been used to achieve more power, religious ones, political ones. Whatever.

The vision here is probably of some sort of centrally managed healthcare.
mRNA vaccines promise to revolutionise medicine. If the payoff is considered big enough people will justify the costs.

If you rich and powerful or just getting old, no doubt life extension is a top priority and ambition.

If you ask me, Bill Gates has combined his desire to control everything with his desire to extend his life and is pushing the development and spread of mRNA technology like crazy to fulfil both of those ambitions. And there are probably plenty who share the ambition and are more than happy to go along with it.

That guy has immense power. Not just financial, but organisation and even personal charisma to influence the many people who are in awe of him.

442437 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to stewart, 2, #940 of 2075 🔗

“If you rich and powerful or just getting old, no doubt life extension is a top priority and ambition.”

Well, not necessarily. That depends on your world view and philosophical/religious beliefs.

442372 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Andrew K, 7, #941 of 2075 🔗

I think that the long term objective may be to conserve planetary resources so that the ultra rich and their families can continue with their billionaire lifestyles. It will mean that everyone else cannot travel, eat high quality food, or generally enjoy life. 99% are to be consigned to living in a pen with a Netflix stream.

442830 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to TheBluePill, #942 of 2075 🔗

Did you see that WEF video with their “predictions” for 2030? Everyone concentrated on “you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”, but for me almost as chilling was “you’ll eat a lot less meat – it’ll be an occasion treat, not a daily thing”. They’re not predicting that you’ll give up meat; they can only be saying that you won’t be able to afford it very often. They could hardly be clearer in telling us that our living standards are going to plummet.

442412 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Andrew K, 5, #943 of 2075 🔗

It’s not the whole world – they just want to destroy the western civilization and the human rights associated with it.

442297 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 6, #944 of 2075 🔗

Covid vaccine sceptics could see UK ‘being lockdown forever’ ‘Holding us to ransom!’
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/covid-vaccine-sceptics-could-see-uk-being-lockdown-forever-holding-us-to-ransom/ar-BB1e8JLy?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBoPWjQ

I don’t think that is right, if people don’t want to take the vaccine they should take ultra precautions that they won’t get the disease .”

Free to chose to take ultra precautions or compelled to do so???

442303 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to GuyRich, 17, #945 of 2075 🔗

Do yourself a favour, stop reading anything from MSN. Look a who owns it.

442394 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #946 of 2075 🔗

I know. It’s always there though when I log out of my email!

443054 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to GuyRich, 1, #947 of 2075 🔗

Change to default display to blank.

442319 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to GuyRich, 15, #948 of 2075 🔗

It’s my basic human right to catch the latest flu bug to keep my immune system up to date. Likewise it is my basic human right to decline a deadly experimental gene therapy that the drug companies involved refuse to indemnify because it would be too risky to do so! Or has everyone forgotten that one inconvenient fact? We are being asked to take the risk with our lives (and possibly our future offspring’s) that the drug company themselves refuse to take with their finances. Who is going to indemnify the families of those that have keeled over already post vaxx?

442322 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to GuyRich, 12, #949 of 2075 🔗

Lockdown forever has been the intention of the state from the start. Paradoxically they need a substantial percentage of the population to refuse the vaccine in order to have a pretext for maintaining restrictions in perpetuity. If everyone was vaccinated, they would have nowhere to go. In this regard vaccine hesitant citizens are more important than any other group in the population.

442393 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Richard O, 3, #950 of 2075 🔗

I hadn’t considered this. Thanks.

442583 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 1, #951 of 2075 🔗

Interdasting
Still not taking it though

442618 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Richard O, #952 of 2075 🔗

Surely that would only be true if the ‘vaccine’ actually worked like a vaccine. Since it doesn’t and they can’t say you won’t get it or pass it on, the only difference it would make if everyone was vaccinated is it might prevent the beloved NHS being overrun as the theory is you won’t need to go to hospital with covid post vaxx.

442353 ▶▶ stewart, replying to GuyRich, 11, #953 of 2075 🔗

That’s the world we live in. One in which someone holds a gun to your head and demands something from you and YOU are the one holding them to ransom.

442835 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to GuyRich, 1, #954 of 2075 🔗

What an utter scumbag. Of course, this was always on the cards, but it’s still a body-blow to actually hear it.

443052 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to GuyRich, 1, #955 of 2075 🔗

Free to have access to HCQ and Ivermectin?

442298 Niborxof, #956 of 2075 🔗

Can anyone help pointing me to Chris Twitty discussing benefits of LFT to PCR? There was a YouTube clip?

442305 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 5, #957 of 2075 🔗

One shaft of light it is all falling apart for Granny killer Cuomo. That girl Cortez, like her or not ideologically is dynamite as a politician. Perhaps some of our leftists can take note and stop being so weak.

442316 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nottingham69, 7, #958 of 2075 🔗

She is a mixed bag. Her claims around the Capitol event were ridiculous, claiming she had her life in danger etc. Many of her policies are hard left, not just left leaning. And her support for the summer riots, as with every Democrat, is the height of hypocrisy

442354 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #959 of 2075 🔗

OTT at times, plays to her gallery but makes things happen, if she usurps Cuomo she has done well for the world.

442395 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to nottingham69, 2, #960 of 2075 🔗

Na. Too late. They are doing this now because it’s convenient. Whatever it is, they are up to something.

442359 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #961 of 2075 🔗

She gets a lot of headlines because she is sensationalist, and has the support of prominent Democrats. Aside from the Capitol statements you mentioned, she has said a lot of things that are at best, ridiculous, if not arguably downright insulting.
2019 she said talking about remembering 9/11 was triggering and an incitement to violence against women of colour. She told Alaskans they need to forget a big chunk of their industry, and instead focus on run their homes & vehicles on windmills and solar panels. Around June/July last year as violent crime skyrocketed in NYC, she said it was caused by people stealing bread… obviously some major quality flour they got in NY.
and probably most famously, she posted pictures of her sobbing at a border fence because she was so horrified about the border situation — only she wasn’t standing at a border fence at all. She just staged a photo shoot in a parking lot.

442374 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nottingham69, 6, #962 of 2075 🔗

AOC has great knockers
Can’t unsee that shovel nose though

442413 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to nottingham69, 2, #963 of 2075 🔗

Ocasio-Cortez has the sort of features that look good on a screen.

Like her or not, she will be around for a long time.

Also, there is some evidence she’s an actress playing a role for her controllers.

442315 John, replying to John, 13, #964 of 2075 🔗

I am the artist formerly known as p02099003. As I am now retired and will be leaving the NMC register by the end of the month I don’t feel the need to hide behind a nom de guerre.

I have been criticised for having the vaccination, bowing to familial pressures; but that was my choice.

However, I do feel that people need to step back and look at the genesis of the different offerings.

I would not touch the mRNA offerings with a 20′ barge pole as these are new, unproven substances, this does have echoes of Thalidomide.

The AstraZeneca offering is based on tried and tested technologies, using a virus that causes the common cold in chimpanzees, with varying levels of success; it is used in the flu vaccine for example.

I oppose the lockdown, which had it not been imposed this site would not need to exist and the debate about vaccines would also vanish as the premise for their existence would not exist.

I will no longer engage in any discussion about the merits/demerits of any vaccine as this is now a null point for me. What is important is the continuation of the current unnecessary restrictions in all four nations in the UK. Also, what could happen in the future with other epidemics, that are bound to happen. The overreach of the government in power without parliamentary oversight or legal oversight. The necessity for a judicial review at the earliest opportunity.

442330 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John, 12, #965 of 2075 🔗

I will no longer engage in any discussion about the merits/demerits of any vaccine as this is now a null point for me.

Your post is disrespectful & disingenuous, if you’ve had it & don’t want to talk about it, why tell us?

If not to collaborate with our oppressors. Don’t worry i’ve no intention of conversing with you again. But you live with the consequences of your actions unfortunately your subservience may mean the rest of us have to live with the consequences of your actions to.

442332 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to John, 23, #966 of 2075 🔗

What medical procedure you or anyone else submits to is none of my business, as long as it does not impact on my right to say ‘no’.

442345 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to kh1485, 14, #967 of 2075 🔗

Yeah. The problem is that it clearly does.

442407 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 3, #968 of 2075 🔗

It may or may not but I think it’s a stretch to tell others they shouldn’t get vaccinated in order to help you

442439 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 1, #969 of 2075 🔗

And vice versa.

442479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #970 of 2075 🔗

Totally agree – no-one on this site ATL or BTL supports vaccine passports or coercion

442356 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 9, #971 of 2075 🔗

Exactly.

And, if I so wish, on my right not to have to tell anyone I’ve said no.

442335 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John, 9, #972 of 2075 🔗

Hopefully the time will come (sooner rather than later) when you can enjoy your retirement, John. You have provided so many interesting insights from your day-to-day work over the last year and I hope you will continue to ask questions and provide the views that only an experienced healthcare professional could.

442342 ▶▶ stewart, replying to John, 12, #973 of 2075 🔗

So, you’ve contributed to propping up the very things you claim to be against, but refuse to discuss it further.

I guess that is one way to deal with cognitive dissonance.

442349 ▶▶ jb12, replying to John, 15, #974 of 2075 🔗

I will no longer engage in any discussion about the merits/demerits of any vaccine as this is now a null point for me.

Yes, because you have had it. For those of us who recognise the threat of continued lockdowns is being used to coerce the population into taking the vaccines, the two are inextricably linked and their efficacy and potential harms are the first point of contact between ‘us’ and the government. Of course you are free to ignore any and all posts about the vaccines, but then I wonder why you have brought them up in the first place.

442352 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to John, 5, #975 of 2075 🔗

Hahahahahaha.

442370 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John, 13, #976 of 2075 🔗

You’re absolutely right in that it is your choice John, just such a shame that you’ve submitted due to societal pressure rather than making a choice based upon health.

However, adenoviral vector vaccines are NOT tried and tested. There is not a single example licensed for human use. You surely must know this?

442401 ▶▶ Will, replying to John, 3, #977 of 2075 🔗

Nice to put a name to a poster, John. Your posts have been invaluable throughout this nonsense, giving, as they have done, a medical/ nursing perspective on it all. As for the vaccines, they are a matter of personal choice. I won’t be having one until they are fully licensed but then I am mid forties with no health issues so my immune system should cope with the virus safely enough; if my situation was different I would probably regard the emergency vaccine as a risk worth taking.

442582 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to John, 3, #978 of 2075 🔗

I’ve long understood, disobedience might mean death for me, but obedience means death for everyone else. In this, I obey God, and will never obey tyrants. Life on my knees, is no life for me, or anyone else. It’s my job to leave this world a better place. It’s the only job any of us had. And I will die, fighting for it, a price I’ll pay gladly, and willingly.

442704 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to John, 1, #979 of 2075 🔗

Completely disingeneous.
There have been several articles in the MSM over the last few days that are downright fascist in nature. Basically saying anyone not taking a vaccine should be restricted from normal society.
I couldn’t care less whether you or anyone else decided to get vaccinated with whatever they wanted for a disease with an IFR of 0.23%. I might think your are nits, but its your right to be nuts.
What it is not your right or anyone else’s is to force me to have one by direct or indirect threats.
You may argue that your post was neither of these, but it actually was. It was an indirect threat that my not taking a vaccine would stop society opening up and lockdowns being removed. And all because I would not submit to having the equivalent of a flu jab.
Well I may have decided to take a ‘conventional’ vaccine after evaluating the downside risk. I see no upside with an IFR of 0.23%. But the more pressure is exerted, the more its made ‘compulsary’ to join normal society, the more I and my wife are determined not to submit to direct and indirect threats.
Indeed we would rather go live in some ‘dangerous’ local like Mexico or Tanzania than submit ( I know not many are in this fortunate position).
So damn you, John or whoever you are. Join your fascist friends ready to pin the yellow star on our chest as the last of the free men.

442320 Jo, replying to Jo, 12, #980 of 2075 🔗

Having been brought up and worked on a farm, I used to enjoy Farming Today on R4.
I’ve missed it since my embargo on R4.
I turned on this morning as I’d caught the weekend version on Saturday and it seemed to be Covid-free.
This week they are discussing gene editing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000sqtm Listen at about 2.50 in, a short clip about injecting squirrels with a gene editing therapy that damages the x chromosome so that when they breed they will only produce males – the species will die out in 20-30 years. Then the gene editing of wheat which will reduce Acrylamide if you burn your toast! Which of course gives you cancer (if you can eat several thousand slices in a limited time, actually)

When they swept away the EU regs on GMOs, in order to allow the vaccines, they simultaneously opened the floodgates to all this technocratic nonsense.
Well, probably. There is a DEFRA consultation going on at the moment – closes 17 March. (Beware the ides of March!).
https://deframedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/01/07/gene-editing-consultation-launches-in-england/

442344 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Jo, 6, #981 of 2075 🔗

Considering the outcry about genetically modified crops years ago you would think people would be worried.

I do wonder if the sheep would gain more information from watching Jurassic Park!

442391 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jo, 5, #982 of 2075 🔗

The squirrel thing is insanity. Put a £5 bounty on every grey squirrel tail and the species would be all but wiped out in a year. But not sure Princess Nut Nut or fatty’s fat, wife beating father would approve so they are pissing about with this nonsense.

442435 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Will, 5, #983 of 2075 🔗

Until people start breeding them for the bounty…

443035 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Stevey, #984 of 2075 🔗

You’d have to buy their food if you held them in captivity.

443033 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Will, #985 of 2075 🔗

“Put a £5 bounty on every grey squirrel tail”

People would trap them unharmed, cut off their tails then let them go so they could continue to breed and supply more tails..

442348 Nicky, replying to Nicky, 7, #986 of 2075 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted before. Really interesting interviews by Anna Brees about latest in ivermectin and politics around it. May not be on you tube for long!
https://twitter.com/clarecraigpath/status/1366704923266678785?s=21

442579 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nicky, #987 of 2075 🔗

She has a bitchute channel – don’t give google the traffic – it just encourages them

442609 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Nicky, 1, #988 of 2075 🔗

How do I get this out to as many people as possible. FB is will advertise this if posted.

So BoJo was told directly about ivermectin in December. It looks like the only granny killer is him!!

442360 isobar, replying to isobar, 17, #989 of 2075 🔗

First they came for the joggers.

‘Piers Morgan blasts runners without masks as ‘panting snails’ who put others at risk in GMB debate with ex-Labour deputy leader Tom Watson who insists it’s hard enough to run without a face covering’
The Chief Maskubators are out in force today……

Greenhalgh wants joggers to wear masks!

Shridhar wants cyclists to wear masks!

All part of the push for wearing masks outside to be made mandatory.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9315879/Professor-claims-runners-wear-face-coverings-stop-spread-Covid.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_health

442378 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to isobar, 24, #990 of 2075 🔗

It really is trying to stop anything which actually makes us healthy.

442385 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Cumbriacracked, 13, #991 of 2075 🔗

I know, these Zealots will stop at nothing, completely mental!

442383 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 17, #992 of 2075 🔗

Back on that hobby horse again. After missing their golden opportunity to extend the mask mandates to everywhere in early January they are going to struggle with this now. But they will not stop attacking.

442576 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Richard O, 1, #993 of 2075 🔗

I wonder if they’d burst into flames if they were shown the Wuhan study that proves asymptomatic spread is a myth.

442388 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to isobar, 27, #994 of 2075 🔗

Just pure, evil misanthropy. Running is one of the only things helping me to hang on to the last pathetic shreds of my sanity – there is no way I could do it in a mask. I admit I do notice when I see a larger person jogging too, but my thought is always “good on them!” – it takes guts and determination to start running and keep running and it must require even more grit when carrying extra weight. This can be about nothing but determination to break the spirit of every last person and reinforce division and fear.

442418 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to isobar, 17, #995 of 2075 🔗

These are very evil people

442432 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to isobar, 14, #996 of 2075 🔗

“40 per cent of Covid cases happen by catching it from people who have no symptoms”. Really? How can anyone prove that? And we’re back to harming “the old lady” (aka granny) again. Just. Stop. The. Scaremongering. Right. NOW. (Sorry, I don’t usually do ‘caps’ but I’m beyond furious about this shite. Don’t usually do the ‘full stop’ thing either…)

442438 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 3, #997 of 2075 🔗

Would love to see Piers Morgan jog

442449 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Victoria, 5, #998 of 2075 🔗

I would, providing it’s on the road and he gets run over

442457 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to isobar, 9, #999 of 2075 🔗

Would that be this Piers Morgan?

442459 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Biggles, 2, #1000 of 2075 🔗

Yes, but he would probably deny it!

442481 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 3, #1001 of 2075 🔗

Would love to see Piers Morgan jog ” off a cliff.

442521 ▶▶▶▶ Custerhaditcoming, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1002 of 2075 🔗

Handcuffed to Boris, Hancock, witless, unbalanced, Jeremy Vine ( who has a face you’d never tire of slapping ). My god the list is endless

442972 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Victoria, #1003 of 2075 🔗

His moobs would be doing most of the jogging.

442619 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 1, #1004 of 2075 🔗

Signs of desperation, don’t you think?

443006 ▶▶ ScepticSteve, replying to isobar, #1005 of 2075 🔗

Trish Greenhalgh, the ‘professor’ pushing for joggers to wear face nappies when running, is apparently some kind of failed transgender experiment. As evidence, see images of ‘her’, where ‘she’ looks like a cross between Boris Johnson’s brother and Wilfrid Brambell.

And see here, where ‘she’ tweeted in support of “Transgender Day of Remembrance”.

https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1329840604604485635

In January 2020 ‘she’ described ‘herself’ as a “tomboy”, and argued that women with short haircuts should be charged only men’s prices.

Back in April 2020, Greenhalgh was one of those claiming that masks “could have a substantial impact on transmission with a relatively small impact on social and economic life”, even though by their own admission, any evidence was “limited”.

These mutants, weirdos and nutjobs are trying to police how the rest of us go about our lives. How they must hate any sane, normal person, who goes out to exercise, and isn’t terrified of “viruses” floating about in the air!

442375 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 7, #1006 of 2075 🔗

Is the following logic sound? If a vaxine (née treatment) is 100% effective at preventing spread and immunising the individual then there is ‘no risk’ to others in people choosing not to take it. Therefore the least effective and more transmissible the treatment is the more people are at risk from mine/ones ‘selfishness’, in that they may, possibly become infected because of me and the likes of me. Ergo the the least effective a treatment is the more necessary it is for people to take it to the point that 1 modelled (haha) perceived saved life in 7B would require the most people to be shamed into taking it. The more important total vax/treatment would become. If so Wow madness wow.

442485 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 1, #1007 of 2075 🔗

An the best pharmasatanic business plan would be the least effective treatment.

442381 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 22, #1008 of 2075 🔗

Boris Johnson’s Election manifesto 2019 Then and now.

We will get Brexit done in January and unleash the potential of our whole country = Typo, destruction not potential.

I guarantee:
Extra funding for the NHS, with 50,000 more nurses and 50 million more GP surgery appointments a year. = Typo, we meant ‘less’ not more.

20,000 more police and tougher sentencing for criminals. = Typo we meant free speech protestors

An Australian-style points-based system to control immigration. = We forgot to say also emigration and overseas travel.

Millions more invested every week in science, schools, apprenticeships and infrastructure while controlling debt. = Another typo, should have read computer modelling, zoom classes, furlough, infrastructure of control and well, lets not talk about debt just now.

Reaching Net Zero by 2050 with investment in clean energy solutions and green infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions and pollution. = We meant that but hoped you wouldn’t notice.

We will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance. = Unless we use the word green or covid in front of the new tax rate.

442431 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Old Bill, 6, #1009 of 2075 🔗

Good post, Bill.

We will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance. = Unless we use the word green or covid in front of the new tax rate.

I suspect he won’t raise any of the existing taxes; he’ll just introduce a new ‘green’ tax. Not sure if that’s what you meant.

442496 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Old Bill, 5, #1010 of 2075 🔗

Reaching Net Zero by 2050 with investment in clean energy solutions and green infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions and pollution. = we meant that but changed the date to 2030.

442397 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1011 of 2075 🔗

Los Angeles schools forcing Microsoft test and trace app on schoolchildren:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/la-schools-launch-microsoft-covid-tracking-app-so-children-can-enter-campus

442421 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1012 of 2075 🔗

It’s a troll. Scan the QR code, it’s a Rick Astley video.

442416 GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 12, #1013 of 2075 🔗

Thanks Hitch, for instigating The Great Wussing Out. Just fantastic. Monkey see, monkey do.

442428 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 4, #1014 of 2075 🔗

Let’s hope he isn’t the 100th monkey.

442445 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1015 of 2075 🔗

Nah, just the 15,500,000th lemming.

442423 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 26, #1016 of 2075 🔗

This is what a liar looks like, please share.

442495 ▶▶ mj, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1017 of 2075 🔗

so that is what a post menopausal Pippi Longstocking would look like.
Or is it a constipated Mick Hucknall?

442525 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mj, 1, #1018 of 2075 🔗

It’s our dearest leader chairwomxn Nic-Sturg-Un. North Britain’s communist leader.

442542 ▶▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to Anti_socialist, #1019 of 2075 🔗

Did they stick the jab in her face?

442627 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Tiberius, #1020 of 2075 🔗

No she’s constipated & trying to shit out another lie.

443223 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Anti_socialist, #1021 of 2075 🔗

Not long now.

442578 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, #1022 of 2075 🔗

My days that is like something off Rentaghost

442424 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 18, #1023 of 2075 🔗

The ‘Great Green’ High Peak as of St David’s Day:

The Capital of the Peak was more-or-less its New Normal best yesterday. Not over-much outdoor-nappy wearing but apart from us, some teenage lads and a bloke in his 50s, 100% obedience in both supermarkets including a couple of the boys!  A terrified young mother with a small child mumbled something at us through her nappy at the Coop till. It turned out she was ‘keeping herself safe’ by trying to stay 2 metres away from the bio-hazards formerly known as other people. I replied, ‘Are you?’ and Alan G told her ‘That thing on your face will keep you safe, love, don’t worry’. She scurried off and, so petrified was she, she left her wallet on the hand-sanitiser station on her way out.

As we rested on a bench we saw a young couple struggling with take-away coffees and snacks. We said ‘Why not sit down’ and she replied, ‘Boris says we can’t!’ They were a couple, for God’s sake – it must be like taking sweets off babies for the psychos running this show!

The hardware store has gone full-Nazi and ‘No mask, no entry’ is now enforced. They will serve you at the door, it seems. I pointed out to the assistant that, while they were entitled to serve people or not, they were actually discriminating against those with health issues by doing this. She agreed but was, of course, ‘ just following orders’ . She then told us ‘ a lady’s husband has died of Covid’ which apparently justifies treating us like lepers. You can imagine our response: we stayed polite – just!

However, at Morrisons I finally saw someone, an elderly woman, fail to sanitise her trolley. A first in nearly a year.

At home, apart from the 4 elderly zombies who live further up our road, our neighbours are taking the piss. Two households have had a procession of people in and out and yesterday a young woman took the 3-year old next door out with her own child, both of them delighted and holding hands. Now that’s more like it! Even the bedw dandelion who lives next door to the 99-year-old woman we shop for had got a friend in and all 5 of them were sitting close together on the doorstep in the sunshine.

Meanwhile, the green agenda is fairly zipping along here. /sarc. Not only are there plenty of blue muzzles littering the streets but it is no longer possible to recycle either plastic bags or batteries. A Coop scheme to recycle toothpaste tubes and other packaging bit the dust nearly a year ago.

There is now a craze among young-ish males for drilling a hole in the exhaust pipes of their cars and racing up and down the streets and roads as fast as possible all day. We actually do cycle (always have) but these lunatics are making it seriously hazardous now. The roads are as busy as ever during the day and lots of people are out-and-about but it all quietens down after about 7pm.

Increasingly, though, I am waking up in the early hours – stress, probably – and I can hear traffic roaring up and down the A6. There are very few planes now, only national airlines, so that must be hitting one sustainable development goal for Johnson and his technocratic muckers. MW

442430 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1024 of 2075 🔗

Now Dr Seuss books have ‘racial undertones’…….

442453 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Victoria, 5, #1025 of 2075 🔗

“Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

442502 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 2, #1026 of 2075 🔗

Meanwhile, some more casual US war crimes have taken place in Syria, but that’s not important right now………

442956 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Victoria, #1027 of 2075 🔗

The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you’ll go. But kids, better give Virginia a miss. I mean Mx.

442434 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 23, #1028 of 2075 🔗

EXCERPT FROM COUNCIL OF EUROPE RESOLUTION 2361 ADOPTED ON JANUARY, 27, 2021:7.3 with respect to ensuring high vaccine uptake:
7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is NOT mandatory and that no one is politically, socially, or otherwise pressured to get themselves vaccinated, if they do not wish to do so themselves;
7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;Source: https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

442442 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1029 of 2075 🔗

Thanks for the reminder.

Maybe Toby can get this information to Peter Hitchens?

442451 ▶▶▶ richmond, replying to Victoria, 1, #1030 of 2075 🔗

Or do a piece on it above the line? Or has he already done so?

442466 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to richmond, 3, #1031 of 2075 🔗

I think richmond, this should be pinned ATL if Toby would be willing to do so. Its that important.

442473 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Victoria, 2, #1032 of 2075 🔗

Preferably wrapped around a white feather.

442436 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 16, #1033 of 2075 🔗

How does an enemy create desolation in the ranks of its opponents? It gets amongst them and whispers despair in their ears.

Anyone interested as to why Peter Hitchens suddenly capitulated to the power of the almighty state should consider reading this –

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/03/credibility-and-dignified-parts-sacrificed-in-acts-of-uk-government-vaccine-programme-desperation/

I sadly suspect Peter Hitchens was never genuinely interested in freedom only softening us up for betrayal.

442465 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Darryl, 10, #1034 of 2075 🔗

Peter Hitchens: ‘Once you give your freedom away, you can’t get it back’ | 15-Feb-21https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IACKjug7P1Q

This was from just a few weeks ago. Watch from 13:28, Hitchens taking about travelling abroad.

I’m really sorry, but I do find it strange that literally a fortnight later he’s essentially given travelling abroad as his reason for making the choice he did. His choice of course, but the timing appears to be quite bizarre.

I think if during the segment on this show in mid-Feb he had mentioned wishing to visit family in Australia say, then his reasoning would be more plausible.

442476 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to SimonCook, 10, #1035 of 2075 🔗

His crime is the publicity he’s deliberately generated getting vaccinated. We all have legal right to keep our health care record private, what a shame he didn’t respect that, that’s what’s unforgivable.

442580 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1036 of 2075 🔗

I too am sad about Hitchens having the vaccine but don’t you think such a high profile figure as he is would have been outed by someone sooner or later on social media? Better he did it himself perhaps?

442774 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to maggie may, #1037 of 2075 🔗

Having the vaccine is his personal choice. It is throwing in the towel publicly and conditioning people to accept that defeat is inevitable what is criminal. We don’t need digital ID, vaccine passports, social credits, facial recognition cameras and all the other nonsense being rolled out to keep us safe from a virus that most people wouldn’t even know they have if it wasn’t for the fraudulent PCR tests.

443012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Darryl, 1, #1038 of 2075 🔗

Nobody would know even existed if not for government & unaccountable NGOs.

442472 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Darryl, 5, #1039 of 2075 🔗

Sadlisuspect?

442808 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ovis, #1040 of 2075 🔗

It was pointed out last summer that he was conditioning his readers for acceptance not resistance. I gave him the benefit of the doubt but they were unfortunately correct. He could have been a good leader for the anti lockdown movement if he was genuine, but was probably playing for the opposition who seek to totally control us.

442499 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Darryl, 1, #1041 of 2075 🔗

Excellent article, thank you – quite long, so I’ll have to go back to digest it all. I haven’t thought of myself as a consumer of alternative media, but I have a feeling I’m heading that way!

442785 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Alice, #1042 of 2075 🔗

The Times, Telegraph and Guardian are full of hateful articles demonising anyone who doesn’t want an experimental product injected into them for a virus which probably wouldn’t be any worse than the jab side effects. I stopped giving them any money last summer. Plenty of talent on sites like Off Guardian https://off-guardian.org/ a million times better than the so called ‘newspaper’.

442565 ▶▶ Staincliffe, replying to Darryl, 6, #1043 of 2075 🔗

At the moment the vaccine passport is just under consideration. It serves as a useful tool/threat to coerce vaccine compliance which, in Hitchens case, has worked. If freedom to travel was indeed his justification, he could have waited until it became an actual, enforced measure.

442797 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Staincliffe, #1044 of 2075 🔗

The media particularly the newspaper columnist have been conditioning us to accept it is inevitable for weeks. It is easy to stop if people just say no and don’t consume the blatant propaganda.

I was naive as to how controlled the UK media really is with many publications having the same owners and some journalist even working for Talkradio, BBC, Daily Mail, Sun and Guardian at the same time.

442443 karenovirus, 5, #1045 of 2075 🔗

I went into Maternity this morning to use the loo, most other facilities being closed; the nurse who preceded me ignored the sanitizer station as did two of the three who were entering the building on my departure.
This was in an empty lobby, Maternity Reception is behind the next door.

442444 Fear is Finite, 8, #1046 of 2075 🔗

Just finished watching Anna Brees latest video on Ivermectin published yesterday. Why isn’t this ATL?

442447 richmond, replying to richmond, 12, #1047 of 2075 🔗

I see Matt Hancock’s face at the top of the page and scroll down straightaway to the comments.

442470 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to richmond, 4, #1048 of 2075 🔗

Frightening in it.

442456 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 41, #1049 of 2075 🔗

This is what my Mum said about her sister, my 84 yr old aunty. Before the jab she was doing pretty well considering her difficulties with mobility, her hands and feet which are really almost useless now. Sadly.

“I have a feeling that she is going to spend even more of her time asleep.
Another worrying thing is that she says that she finds even talking to anyone on the phone or face to face too exhausting”.

I keep hearing about how the jabbed are not themselves, listless, lacking energy.

At least she is out of hospital now.

I will never forgive these evil bastards who have subjected us all to this nightmare.

443295 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1050 of 2075 🔗

Oh god – sorry 2-6.
Bastards.

442458 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 36, #1051 of 2075 🔗

On the subject of why Hitchens’ public announcement matters,
Orwell got this 100% spot on. It doesn’t matter whether the vaxx is a placebo made of inert coloured water, it is the act of surrender of himself/betrayal of others that confirms that control has been achieved psychologically by the state. For this control to convince presumably intelligent people to give in and take an experimental gene therapy (that already displays worrying and fatal side effects) makes this even more concerning. And once that subjugation and exposure of inner cowardice occurs, future rebellion becomes impossible ( exactly like ‘1984’, after the Julia/Winston personal betrayal ).
After the first wave of jabs are over we will have an officially cowardly population happy in defending the government’s actions, and racing to condemn the non-compliant ( the objectors ) to various punishments (it has been happening for almost a year now in the MSM and BTL comments).  And with an 80% jab up-take, we will have an 80% cowardly population – a one easily cowed again but not before zealously influencing their offspring and friends to be equally compliant. Meanwhile more jabs are being administered every year, and that 80% compliance figure will be growing.
Post 2021 ( the year of the vaxx ) REAL control will be ramped up leading to the magical year of 2030. There will be no more opposition to the state or its draconian policies or human rights breaches, there cannot be, both Winston and Julia knew that long ago.  Blair and followers meanwhile (including most of the current government and front bench opposition) are already salivating at the prospect of such control.

442469 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 11, #1052 of 2075 🔗

If you think about the vaccines are a wonderful thing & we should praise those willing to take it, especially the younger ones. It’s Darwinian, it cleanses the gene pool of idiots.

442482 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1053 of 2075 🔗

I hate myself for it but I have been thinking this

442507 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #1054 of 2075 🔗

But if you think which group they’d rather have around – the dissenters or the consenters – it’s obviously not the first so I’d say it’s just highlighting who will be shunned from society. Nothing I can do though so I have to keep hoping that the cavalry come riding in…

442727 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jos, 1, #1055 of 2075 🔗

Fuellmich thundering down the tracks?

442541 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1056 of 2075 🔗

Only if they die
If they become dribbling mongs then a) big pharma get lifelong patients and b) they finally get their subservient class

442729 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #1057 of 2075 🔗

Yeah, but if they’re sterile they can’t breed, though give it another 10yrs they’ll all be gay or trans anyway & won’t want to breed.

442474 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 17, #1058 of 2075 🔗

Absolutely … unfortunately 🙁

”It’s just a jab” … no it isn’t, you are agreeing to numerous jabs every year for the rest of your life. You can never unvaccinate yourself, never.

442638 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 2, #1059 of 2075 🔗

Buyers remorse has no recourse on this one, even if you last long enough to go through vaccine compensation scheme & navigate all the hurdles,120k ain’t much good if you’re dead.

442475 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #1060 of 2075 🔗

And of course, the press love nothing more than an outside agitator to sell their bullshit.

“Tune in tomorrow to see how THOSE WHO ARE NOT US continue to threaten your way of life”

442522 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #1061 of 2075 🔗

To paraphrase Winston: “ They are the dead!”

442601 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 1, #1062 of 2075 🔗

Excessively negative. The best laid plans of mice and men …

442725 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #1063 of 2075 🔗

20% is a significant minority. By definition it will be more committed.

442461 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1064 of 2075 🔗

WHO advises against the use of anti-Malaria drug to prevent Covid-19 infection
Hydroxychloroquine, a drug that was previously praised by former US President Donald Trump for preventing Covid-19, has been shown to have no meaningful effect on either death or admission to hospital from the virus……..

More here: https://www.thejournal.ie/malaria-drug-who-covid-19-5369280-Mar2021/

442463 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1065 of 2075 🔗

Not this shite again?

442498 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1066 of 2075 🔗

Tell that to Africa

442530 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1067 of 2075 🔗

And most places outside the Western World.

442648 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1069 of 2075 🔗

As Bill Gates has bought his way into that Organisation too, any guidance the WHO offer should not be taken seriously.

442464 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #1070 of 2075 🔗

Watch this short video – Hilarious – how stupid are people really?

[Arbitrary] guy stands with a lint roller in front of a building, and due to COVID conditioning, no one thought twice about it. Sheep. Sure hope no one takes advantage of this

https://twitter.com/YoureAllDunces/status/1365668601164922882

443290 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Victoria, #1071 of 2075 🔗

Well, they’re pretty stupid!!!

442467 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #1072 of 2075 🔗

Just read the email consent form for daughter’s return to school. Point blank refuse to accept this, which has really upset her. Explained that I simply cannot do so in all conscience. As she’s over 16 she can consent for herself and has chosen to do so.

Thanks for browbeating someone I love more than anything else in the world and making her frightened and anxious, you filthy, psychopathic gang of criminal sadists.

1.I consent to having / my child having a nose and throat swab for lateral flow tests to be tested for the presence of COVID 19.

I / my child will self-swab if I / my child is able to otherwise I understand that assistance is available. In the case of under 16s or pupils who are not able to provide informed consent, I have discussed the testing with my child and they are happy to participate and self-swab (with assistance if required).

I understand that there may be multiple tests required and this consent covers all tests.

Required to answer. Single choice.

Agree

Disagree

2. If the lateral flow test indicates the presence of COVID-19 I understand that I will be contacted immediately by the School, and will commit to ensuring that I/ my child is removed from school premises as promptly as possible, agree to have a confirmatory PCR test at a local NHS testing site, and that I/ they will self-isolate until the results of a confirmatory PCR have been received.

I agree that if my/ my child’s test results are confirmed to be positive from this PCR test, I will report this to the school and I understand that I/ my child will be required to self-isolate following public health advice.

Required to answer. Single choice.

Agree

Disagree

442477 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #1073 of 2075 🔗

The slave training is being ramped up. I’m surprised they even bothered with a consent form. Your daughter is submitting to a lifetime of total misery and oppression.

442483 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #1074 of 2075 🔗

This just demonstrates that we are a million miles from anything like normal. Vaccine or no vaccine nothing is changing in any meaningful way.

442486 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1075 of 2075 🔗

On 22 March 2020 SAGE advised the government to use fear to ensure compliance with the coronavirus rules. Advice the government has followed, to the nth degree.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

442497 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1076 of 2075 🔗

Kept on my phone since then, for evidence.

442492 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1077 of 2075 🔗

Doesn’t this go against the “not mandatory” from the government. There isn’t a not mandatory for one test and mandatory for the other?

442514 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #1078 of 2075 🔗

Over 16 can consent for themselves.

Sad to read this. It’s disgraceful

442556 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1079 of 2075 🔗

To expect 16-year olds to go against the herd is asking a lot.

The intent and the pressure is certainly contrary to post-war conventions on medical intervention. The resurrection of Mengele.

442548 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1080 of 2075 🔗

Speaking as someone who – many moons ago – did teach, anyone promulgating this stuff should not be in the profession, on both intellectual and moral grounds.

442574 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1081 of 2075 🔗

I can empathise, I have the same issue (16 and 18 year old). They want to be at school, they are in exam years and need their grades (they are over a barrel). I don’t personally consent, but it’s their choice. I have corresponded with the school in detail regarding informed consent and what that actually entails. It’s an independent school and they take quite a hard coercive line, they have been in masks since September, and they will not be allowed in school without testing. I have made it absolutely clear that I don’t support the asymptomatic testing programme or masks, and that they should be aware that they don’t actually legally have informed consent from their parents and pupils due to coercion (I paraphrase, I actually sent a long and detailed email). My horror was complete when they sent out the details on booking a test slot, and I realised they were testing all the way down to réception, that’s 4 year olds. It’s abhorrent. I don’t know how they’ve sold it to the lower school in terms of voluntary/non-voluntary. Testing 4 year olds! Some of the worse things ever have been done in the name of the greater good, there are many that will beg for redemption one day; they won’t be getting it from me.

442577 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #1082 of 2075 🔗

I thought, but may be wrong, that this was not mandatory? In other words, it’s just accepting you will conform.

442715 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1083 of 2075 🔗

You’re right.

442596 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #1084 of 2075 🔗

Dear amazing, awesome, brilliant, healthy, caring 16-year-old person,

I remember being 16 and one of the guiding principles of my life was to go against EVERYTHING my mother said. If she said go left, I would go right. If she said eat apples, I would peel oranges. It’s a right of passage. It’s what you do. But there was one thing I listened to her about and am so glad I did. She told me that, if I took experimental drugs, there was a tiny, minuscule chance that I could die. All my friends took experimental drugs. I didn’t. I felt really left out sometimes. I missed out on a few parties where they didn’t want me sitting there not doing drugs. But I’m so glad I listened to my mother because one of my friends had a bad reaction to a drug, ended up in a psychiatric ward and has never been okay since. I didn’t always see eye to eye with my mother but I’ll always be glad I listened to her on this.

I’m not saying that taking a lateral flow test is the same as taking an experimental drug. I’m saying that your mother loves you more than anyone else in the world will ever love you. Even if you fall out with her, even if you think she doesn’t respect you sometimes or doesn’t understand you… I promise you, no one will EVER love you quite as much as she does. You cannot understand, at this point in your life, why she doesn’t want you to take these tests. It’s a really complex issue. It’s to do with governments using people to justify their actions without caring about the individual implications of those actions. It’s to do with grooming innocent minds. It’s to do with democracy and freedom and history and civil liberties and unchecked capitalism and abuse of power. It’s really complicated.

I don’t know you and you don’t know me, but I’m begging you… listen to your mother (replace with father in all the above if appropriate) – trust her/him… you will be glad one day. I promise.

A friend.

442614 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1085 of 2075 🔗

Sorry, but I’d tell my kid, I won’t pay their phone bill, and they’ll have to give up their gadgets, or privileges, or they can just bugger off into care, I won’t tolerate their trained obeisance and subjugation under my own roof. FFS, would you let them be swabbed up the jacksy, just so they could go school? 16 or not, HELL NO!

442663 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #1086 of 2075 🔗

So much for it’s not mandatory.

This could result in tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of false positives, resulting in tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people being forced to self-isolate when there is fuck all wrong with them.

442720 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1087 of 2075 🔗

It’s not mandatory.

442705 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1088 of 2075 🔗

Why don’t you both just not consent? It doesn’t say she can’t attend if you don’t?

442802 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #1089 of 2075 🔗

I have refused to consent. Unfortunately I can’t get through to her.

442734 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1090 of 2075 🔗

Has she consented to wearing face knickers for six hours a day?

443284 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Annie, #1091 of 2075 🔗

They do it because they don’t want to be the only one who isn’t doing it Annie.
It’s a different generation – the social pressure now because of the internet is too strong. Kids are pretty vile to anyone different these days.

443279 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Jo Starlin, #1092 of 2075 🔗

Absolutely – fucking psychopathic scumbags, arseholes, bastards.
They must fucking hate children.

442480 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 29, #1093 of 2075 🔗

0.3% death rate…..so in goose steps the fascists and their Great Reset, connected to saving Gaia from warmtarding, yet another religion.

It’s just a few restrictions
it’s just flattenng the curve for 3 weeks,
it’s just a lockdown,
it’s just a curfew,
it’s just small businesses affected,
it’s just a face diaper,
it’s just a test,
it’s just an experimental drug,
it’s just a digital ID,
it’s just the right to protest,
it’s just free speech,
it’s just free movement,
it’s just a digital wallet to travel,
it’s just a quarantine camp,
it’s just a yellow star,
it’s just a train ride,
it’s just a shower for those who refuse….

442484 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to FerdIII, 12, #1094 of 2075 🔗
442732 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #1095 of 2075 🔗

And all they wanted was a shrubbery.

442500 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to FerdIII, 2, #1096 of 2075 🔗

similar conversation between Dave Cullen and John Waters , ending with John saying its only a noose, why dont you put your head in it!!!

442509 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FerdIII, 3, #1097 of 2075 🔗

Covid-19 death rate @0.3% + inflation huh?

442488 l835, replying to l835, 17, #1098 of 2075 🔗

Two types of people out and about today. Hot and bothered maskers, smiling normal people. As the temperature climbs, outdoor masking seems to be receding.

442493 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to l835, 5, #1099 of 2075 🔗

receding along with the Covid, more normality.

442506 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to l835, 15, #1100 of 2075 🔗

I’ve noticed that the masked-up look really pissed off to see us un-masked laughing.

442554 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to l835, 5, #1101 of 2075 🔗

Hopefully all that bacteria festering double plus quick in their slave rags as the temperature climbs
jolly good

442730 ▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, 2, #1102 of 2075 🔗

Seen none today, hooray!

442489 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #1103 of 2075 🔗

.

442505 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PastImperfect, #1104 of 2075 🔗

?

442517 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Anti_socialist, #1105 of 2075 🔗

I gave up with the system. The link I tried to post was not accepted and then it wouldn’t let me post the image.

442501 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1106 of 2075 🔗

Furlough to be extended. What a surprise… NOT!

Got to keep hiding those real unemployment figures.

442516 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ceriain, 9, #1107 of 2075 🔗

How many of the more than eleven million furloughed jobs do you think are effectively redundant and will disappear the moment the scheme ends?

442527 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #1108 of 2075 🔗

The second you accept your job being designated “non-essential” you have effectively terminated your employment.

442656 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1109 of 2075 🔗

I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question.

Can’t remember where I read it, but I did read something the other day; an MP was saying that he knew of many, many business owners who know their business is bust, but take the furlough to keep their staff off the dole queue.

There are so many different scams going on within one big scam.

442531 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1110 of 2075 🔗

Also the smoke to hide behind the no doubt rise in taxes in the budget tomorrow.

442504 PastImperfect, 7, #1111 of 2075 🔗

Public Notice Meme

442508 Custerhaditcoming, 16, #1112 of 2075 🔗

Was out this morning taking my usual daily 5 mile walk. I recently received my invitation to have the GM modified therapy ( I can’t bring myself to call it a vaccine as it isn’t ). It got me thinking as I understand that when you have the jab you have to sign consent etc. If I took along a letter to ask whoever is administering the jab to indicate that if any untoward reaction to me occurs up to and including death, they would accept responsibility. I wonder how many would sign it.
Just a thought to keep me going during the day.

442511 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 24, #1113 of 2075 🔗

“If the UK Government is indeed looking to implement what is called a vaccine passport, then it won’t want a sizeable refusenik community, because can you imagine, reader, the trouble that it will be storing up for itself? It will create a sub-population, a minority, albeit a very large one, who will constitute a second class citizenship in the country on account of a choice it made to preserve its health against medicine that demonstrably does damage to a good many recipients. This is problematic not only will this apartheid not look very good for a government claiming to cherish human rights, but there will be a legal minefield, not to mention how this separated people will take to its own devices, and inevitably out-compete the regulated mainstream, and become a major threat to the continuation of the power of UK Government.”

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2021/03/credibility-and-dignified-parts-sacrificed-in-acts-of-uk-government-vaccine-programme-desperation/

442528 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rockoman, 22, #1114 of 2075 🔗

It will also create a very important control group. The Unjabbed.

So when the jabbed start suffering from the unkown side effects of the new untested gene-therapy and those who didn’t get the jab are faring much better….

The contrast will be dazzling.

They HAVE TO keep the unjabbed group as small as possible so as to be able to underplay their comparative healthy-ness.

442539 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Two-Six, 10, #1115 of 2075 🔗

The constant lies about Sweden have the same purpose, minimise or hide the control group.

442651 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1116 of 2075 🔗

If They were sensible (too much to ask I know) they would want to keep a significant no of unjabbed, because they are the ones who will have the physical and mental strength to run the country , its businesses and services, when the jabbed fall by the wayside.
Given that virtually all of the Govt personnel involved are Oxford graduates you would expect them to have heard of the consequences of the Black Death in 1348/9 when the demand for healthy workers, 1/3 having succumbed , caused a loosening or indeed a tearing of the feudal bonds.
But, you argue, that assumes that They know that there are dire consequences in store for the jabbed. They say there are none, but I suspect that they know better from the adverse reactions already posted .

442534 ▶▶ George L, replying to rockoman, 5, #1117 of 2075 🔗

Good post.. its facts like this that we need to home in and concentrate on..

442512 MizakeTheMizan, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 12, #1118 of 2075 🔗

For two decades the UN has been forecasting an uptick in deaths per 1000 from 2020. The uptick in deaths last year was exactly as predicted, and it is predicted to continue to rise. This is entirely due to the aged profile of the populations.

They have used this uptick as cover for their scam. We have been played.

Go on the microtrends site and get the actual figures for any nation in the world, there was nothing unusual about 2020.

This is the UK. Current line is today.

442518 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 4, #1119 of 2075 🔗

A multi-faceted scam indeed.

442543 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 3, #1120 of 2075 🔗

That projection is interesting. I noticed when looking at all-cause mortality back in April that the 10+ year low that we have been experiencing was showing signs of an upturn in the trend. Again, the point was that 2019-20 was entirely consistent with this.

The trend was much clearer when analysed in terms of 2-year periods; it was a remarkable smoothing that suggests the inter-relationship between successive years.

442519 isobar, replying to isobar, 9, #1122 of 2075 🔗

Perhaps someone should tell Wankock?

‘UK should ‘move away from an obsession with variants’, says Oxford vaccine chief and government scientist claims the coronavirus may no longer be evolving as quickly’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9315813/Coronavirus-Oxford-vaccine-professor-says-UK-ditch-obsession-Covid-variants.html

442611 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to isobar, 2, #1123 of 2075 🔗

More bollocks in that article:

STUDY FINDS BRAZIL VARIANT MAY REINFECT 2/3 PEOPLE WITH IMMUNITY

A study led by Imperial College London

I stopped reading at that point

442679 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, #1124 of 2075 🔗

Agree, it was the headline that I was focusing on

442523 George L, replying to George L, 20, #1125 of 2075 🔗

COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population..

I thought I’d just share this because the quote above comes from HM Government themselves. Its nicely tucked away on page 63 paragraph 196 of a 68 page document titled COVID-19 RESPONSE – SPRING 2021 which can be found at the link below.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963491/COVID-19_Response_-_Spring_2021.pdf

This is yet another quietly tucked away admission that the so called ‘DEADLY VIRUS’ is nothing of the sort. Covering of arses I think. Please share widely, its facts like these from the horses mouth that we need to get out there..

442550 ▶▶ George L, replying to George L, 8, #1126 of 2075 🔗

COVID-19 is a relatively mild illness for much of the population.. screenshot attached.

442597 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to George L, 5, #1127 of 2075 🔗

And, of course, we’ve all known this since the beginning. So have they: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg

No need for a ‘vaccine’, not that this charade is about a ‘vaccine’.

442820 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to George L, #1128 of 2075 🔗

There are two questions my MP never answers. The first is Does the ‘vaccine’ convey immunity? The second is Why doesn’t the Govt. publish the virus’ effect by age and rates of survivability, so people can decide for themselves what to do? He’ll get his research staff to send me info. re everything else, but not these.

442558 ▶▶ Janette, replying to George L, 2, #1129 of 2075 🔗

Thanks for that George L

442588 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to George L, 5, #1130 of 2075 🔗

Thanks for posting this again. It’s important that people who might have missed it before see just how disingenuous these scumbags are.

It has been discussed on here before; that chapter, in particular. It’s basically the Government admitting that the Great Barrington Declaration was the right plan all along.

Also noted was the reference to Covid certification .

442659 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to George L, 1, #1131 of 2075 🔗
442524 mj, replying to mj, 44, #1132 of 2075 🔗

just received my Vax invitation from NHS telling me how to book an appointment.

I am so glad they gave me a summary message in 17 different languages. I can learn how to read bullshit in Nepali and Tagalog .

And i am so glad they have forewarned me that i may get a follow up message from the NHS Immunisation Management Service (on 0300 5610240) so that i can block this number.

And i am so glad they explained that i can ignore the letter if either i have already made an appointment or i have already had the first dose. I am still searching for the text that tells me i can ignore the letter if i dont want an untested unproven chemical put into my body.

And i am so glad that they sent me a pointless leaflet full of half truths and missing out completely the important information about the substance they want to stick in my body. But at least it tells me that the “vaccine” wont actually stop me catching or passing on covid.

442529 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mj, 6, #1133 of 2075 🔗

If you live in England –
demand the jab letter in Welsh
Then you can’t understand it (just like most of Whales)

442551 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #1134 of 2075 🔗

Quite right. I have yet to find a literate whale.

442545 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to mj, 5, #1135 of 2075 🔗

Mr Pub just got his letter too. He concludes he does not need to take it as he is not on the list, page 4 and 5.

442560 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to mj, 8, #1136 of 2075 🔗

I am still searching for the text that tells me i can ignore the letter if i dont want an untested unproven chemical put into my body.

First thing I said to my wife when I read the letter. It’s like a YouTube poll; our choices only.

Is that the letter with the 1 in 10 over 75’s die from Covid lie?

442585 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1137 of 2075 🔗

They want to nudge you – they know what works. It seems incredible to me how far the psychologists have come since the days of Edward Bernays…

442533 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 35, #1138 of 2075 🔗

Just got my Gene therapy invite,as I posted a few weeks ago couple of the Bro’s already caused a fuss while attending appointment and getting ready to do same again, other Bro attended yesterday and hit the fire alarm caused a nice commotion, so I think I’ll book up and let the show begin..

442869 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #1139 of 2075 🔗

I hope they have sprinklers

442544 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 14, #1140 of 2075 🔗

Saw this over at OffG, it’s a film made by a young girl, that really hits home the harm this whole shitshow is doing. Probably one of the most powerful things I’ve seen. Good on her..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSkbd6hRkXo&feature=emb_logo

442547 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #1141 of 2075 🔗

Wonderful – please, please share.

442572 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1142 of 2075 🔗

Thank you for sharing that link. It was incredibly powerful and I am not ashamed to say it brought tears to my eyes.

442621 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to EssieSW, 2, #1143 of 2075 🔗

I can’t believe she did this 7 months ago and it’s not more widely known.

442782 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to EssieSW, -1, #1144 of 2075 🔗

See, THIS is the problem.

The short film said NOTHING about the issue at hand: what is behind the lockdown/ mandatory vaccines and is that a good thing?

Instead, it just showed a naive young girl apparently incapable of rebellion and incapable of googling to uncover this information, but who is instead a VICTIM.

SO, women have TOO MUCH power in this world and are too HYSTERICAL to command positions of responsibility.

Men on the other hand are uncourageous after decades of anti-male, anti-white brainwashing.

China WILL inherit the earth because they are a strong race without these uncertainties.

442915 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to EssieSW, #1145 of 2075 🔗

Me too. Wah!

442575 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1146 of 2075 🔗

watched. send this to your childrens teacher.

442792 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to pub with no beer, -1, #1147 of 2075 🔗

Why? It FAILS to place the blame on ANYONE! It doesn’t talk about the truth behind what is happening.

Do you think the majority of over paid public sector child-minders DON’T know ? Do you actually think they care?

TEachers who actually care about their students pupils went out LONG AGO, especially men who don’t even bother anymore unless they are pathetic left wing faggots.

Humanities grads who have no skills and have managed to complete a degree half pissed go into teaching as they think it is easy money.

TAKE YOUR KIDS OUT OF SCHOOLS.

COMMUNITY HOMESCHOOLING.

BUT, you know what? It’s all just complaining on the parents part. They don’t really give a shit, otherwise they would take more of a role in their kids’ upbringing.

442587 ▶▶ stewart, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1148 of 2075 🔗

Wow.

442600 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1149 of 2075 🔗

Superb.

442626 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1150 of 2075 🔗

https://us5.campaign-archive.com/?u=77713d21ff56f1c126607d2c5&id=6d435f1fe5
Student writes: my world has become a covid prison.

“I am a college student at a major US university pursuing a degree in STEM. A few years ago I was diagnosed with a very mild form of schizophrenia. I am considered extremely high functioning. I have friends, do well in school, and I am able to hold a part-time job where I get along with everyone.

Ever since the lockdowns began, our school has treated us in a manner that can only be described as abusive. Our online education has essentially meant that we have to teach ourselves, because our instructors won’t. The workload for every single class for everyone I know doubled as soon as we got sent home, since every instructor believes we have all the time in the world now. Homework and exams have been made more difficult in an absurd attempt to prevent “cheating.” (This is their own explanation.) They have given us no resources to work with, and instructors treat us in an almost combative manner.

I am a hard worker, but I can’t do this anymore. Last semester, I was working for about 16 hours every day, seven days a week, with no outside assistance outside of our halfhearted lecture videos. Near the end, I had five weeks in a row where I worked for 48 hours straight with no sleep to try and make deadlines I couldn’t even hit. A friend of mine was falsely accused of an academic integrity violation, given virtually no chance to appeal, and is now on probation for the remainder of his time here.

Our families are paying a fortune for us to teach ourselves through YouTube.

Walking onto campus feels like going to a wake. There is a morose atmosphere in the air, and everywhere is as quiet as a library. There is absolutely no social interaction except amongst friends who already know each other. There are volunteer students who act as the school’s Stasi to enforce covid guidelines.”

442880 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to PoshPanic, #1151 of 2075 🔗

Moved me to tears…

442546 Freddy Freethinker, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 22, #1152 of 2075 🔗

My current thoughts on WTF might be going on:

Economic warfare between China, US and western central banks.

Lockdowns are an economic means of controlling Velocity of Money. Low velocity of money = low chance of hyperinflation while printing trillions.

Prior to 2015 – China stealth hoarding gold.

2015
– China joined the IMF SDR basket.

2018
– Evidence that China is using Gold/SDR to control Gold Price and limit US trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIDa4YNpjc
– Dollar defaults on debt to China?

2019
– US dollar interbank overnight lending collapses and Federal Reserve begins injecting 6 trillion to save the dollar. This will lead to asset bubbles and risk hyperinflation.

Alternative explanations for 2020 onwards (speculative):

2020
– China pushes US dollar over the edge with SARS-COV-2 virus, lockdown-by-example
– Lockdowns initially used to contain virus up to May 2020, then used to prevent hyperinflationary collapse of economies via casedemic scientific fraud.

OR

2019/2020
– Dollar close to collapse, hot war imminent, World Bank steps in to negotiate a truce, novel virus used as cover.
– World Bank/IMF/WHO use lockdowns to prevent economic contagion of dollar collapse (and war) while working on new reserve currency solution to
– Plan to ‘reset’/rebalance currencies to lessen US hegemony, increase China SDR basket weighting.
– Mark Carney talks of ‘Synthetic Hegemonic Currency’, IMF Kristalina Georgieva talks of ‘new Bretton Woods moment’.
– Central Banks rapidly work to adopt digital SDR backing of sovereign currencies.

2021
– Currency resetting/revaluation events take place world wide. Debt restructuring/forgiveness etc. Plebs robbed in wealth transfer. Hyperinflation to remove debt?
– Currencies pegged to digital SDR

Vaccines – used to control population, distraction (FUD), justify and prolong lockdowns until ‘everyone is safe’, genuinely target SARS-COV-2 but are practically useless and effectively placebo and/or unneccessary as the problem has passed.
OR maybe the virus was more virulent than expected and the powers that be shat-their-pants.

I also think there is plenty of corrupt opportunistic greed by politicians, Big Pharma go along with the plan on promise of making a fortune, etc.

ID2020 digital ID gets a free-ride on the population control, as does the green agenda.

Also, Basel III looks very dangerous to London gold derivatives at 28 June 2021 (LBMA).

442571 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Freddy Freethinker, 9, #1153 of 2075 🔗

China and US banks are part of the same economic system, so I doubt there is any war between them. What is interesting is China’s gold holdings and investment in crypto, so whilst they might not be fighting a ‘war’, they are certainly geared up to sidestep a shitstorm. Besides, they actually make stuff in China, which is more than can be said for the west, which mostly just moves bullshit paper promises around.

442616 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 3, #1154 of 2075 🔗

If not a war then I would say a battle for long term reserve currency/trade supremacy.
Looks like we’re already in the start of a serious depression, it’s just masked by the furloughs and lockdowns.
All the fluff jobs in the West are gone for good at this rate.
I hate to think what turmoil lies ahead for the US, FedNow and UBI might be used to lessen the civil unrest as the decline in living standards really bites.
Right now it’s a fantasy recovery with asset bubbles.
Meanwhile China actually makes money. The West is going to come out of this very badly.

Maybe the Reddit Comex gold/silver ruse will be an accelerator in all this.

442622 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 3, #1155 of 2075 🔗

Too many jobs were lost in the West by companies who moved their production to China and other countries with low standards of living.
Someone in the West,expecting a decent wage to live on, cannot compete with slave labour abroad (China, Uighurs)

442696 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to LMS2, 1, #1156 of 2075 🔗

exactly. this can be all reversed through trade barriers

442591 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Freddy Freethinker, 7, #1157 of 2075 🔗

‘I also think there is plenty of corrupt opportunistic greed by politicians, Big Pharma go along with the plan on promise of making a fortune, etc.’

Whichever way the next decade pans out, I think this will be a key element and possible disruptor of the process. There will be some strange bedfellows in this by-the-numbers Globalist strategy. In many ways the precise details or even chronology do not matter – rather the direction of travel and the perceived mutual advantages of the ever growing multi national political, corporate and financial hegemony.
It is this characteristic multi-layering of global planning, that each player is free to unilaterally maximise the advantages of each stage as it happens (ie your Big Pharma example over the last year, which becomes the financial speculators in the coming years, while the embedded western governments clamp down ever harder on opposition to ever more draconian policies, many of which will revolve around climate, ‘health’ and ‘the green economy’). And let’s not forget the supra governmental societal controls, such as wokeism, which will inevitably morph into being cultural and legal controls.
And as depressing as your scenario might sound, I suspect there is not the intelligence among the global elites to make it work if faced with concerted opposition – even if 80% of the population are prepared to surrender their bodies to state ordained gene therapy.

442612 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 5, #1158 of 2075 🔗

Yes, I live in hope that they are not as co-ordinated or as clever as they think and that some unintended consequence trips them up badly along the way.

442710 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Freddy Freethinker, #1159 of 2075 🔗

So you don’t go by some long term conspiracy by a shadowy organisation in the background? Technocracy Inc. by another name?

442786 ▶▶▶ Freddy Freethinker, replying to FedupofLies, #1160 of 2075 🔗

Anything is possible, isn’t it?  I just think the China vs. US/West monetary battle for top dog looks more likely as the primary driver for all this.

I do think the digital ID, Agenda 2030, digital currency for the plebs etc is all very much tagging along for the ride.
As Herr Anal-Schwab and his lackey Prince Charles said, this is ‘a narrow window of opportunity’.
But I suspect they are mostly theatre and a big FUD distraction from the monetary collapse about to take place. It makes anyone who talks about a ‘reset’ look really wacky.

US tech companies are practically an extension of the state as far I can tell so maybe there are clues in what they are up to.
Also Bitcoin is derived from NSA tech research so that seems to have a part to play too, maybe a distraction from gold as an investment?

442557 JaneHarry, replying to JaneHarry, 4, #1161 of 2075 🔗

email from tesco’s: WTF??
Hello Miss Harry,
Mother’s Day is coming up and we understand that this can be a hard time for some. That’s why, if you’d prefer not to receive any of our Mother’s Day emails this year, you can opt out here:
Opt out


Don’t worry, we’ll still keep you updated about everything else.
Zoe Evans
UK Customer Engagement Centre

442564 ▶▶ iane, replying to JaneHarry, #1162 of 2075 🔗

Spoof?

442567 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JaneHarry, #1163 of 2075 🔗

I got almost exactly the same from, of all people, Bella Italia.

Ciao Josef S,

We wanted to get in touch with you as Mother’s Day approaches. We understand this might be a sensitive time for some, so if you’d like to opt out from any of our Mother’s Day emails simply click here .

Don’t worry, we’ll continue to keep you up to date with all other things Bella Italia.

Team Bella

442568 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1164 of 2075 🔗

Quite a few do this these days. I do find it a bit irritating when my mum died quite a few years ago now to have these constant reminders of what i can get her for Mothering Sunday (to give it its right name). Nice to be able to opt out.

442586 ▶▶ alw, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1165 of 2075 🔗

I have had plenty of emails like this and have opted out of all. All these so called celebratory days are just a commercial racket.

442637 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #1166 of 2075 🔗

I’ve had a couple of these. Never had them before. I don’t think I find them especially objectionable in and of themselves. But what’s interesting is how this has suddenly become “a thing”. Before this year, no companies sent these emails, now it seems they all do. Like with the BLM virtue signalling, the corporate herd runs in the same direction, and nobody wants to be left behind. There’s probably something in this that reads across to the weird covid cult – covidian fanaticism becomes, for whatever weird reason, the done thing, and they all have to join in. Obviously this phenomenon has always been the case to some extent (conformity/group think) but these trends now seem to be hyper-accelerated and to demand total adherence.

442650 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, #1167 of 2075 🔗

Something dodgy about that link ‘phishing scam’ don’t click it.

442676 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JaneHarry, #1168 of 2075 🔗

They did it last year, I think it’s in case your granny has been killed by someone sitting on a bench.

442563 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 44, #1169 of 2075 🔗

As a conservative (not a Tory) and a long-time supporter of Peter Hitchens, I find his martyr complex and constant whining about being a practical lone voice utterly tiresome. Firstly, it’s a complete exaggeration. There are plenty in the public eye who have been against this nonsense from the start. Secondly, he underestimates the prevalence of anti-lockdown/anti-vaccine coercion sentiment in this country. It’s hardly surprising. Go to ‘Peter Hitchens FAQs’ and see his response to the first question, ‘Why don’t you follow anyone on Twitter?’

‘It would never occur to me. I use Twitter to publicise my columns, articles, blog postings, and to debate with people. I use it as a form of broadcasting, something I don’t get enough chances to do. It is put to me that by not ‘following’ anyone I demonstrate a lack of interest in the ideas of others. This is simply false, and to me it is comically ridiculous. It would never cross my mind that social media would be a good way for me to find out what other people think.’

The level of arrogance and naivety is astonishing. Is it any wonder he is so out of touch with what people think? I’ve seen his Twitter feed, it’s largely filled with trolls and pro-lockdown people. He’s in his own little bubble, and that bubble largely consists of Hitchens and his opponents. But don’t panic, because as he goes on to say,

‘I read several newspapers a day, and as many of the weekly reviews that I can find time for. I might read two or three books a week. I often take part in public debates against opponents. I am a frequent cinema-goer and, while I like a lot of popular films, I also take a great deal of interest in polemical cinema such as the recent Florian von Donnersmarck masterpiece ‘Never Look Away’. I recently watched David Edgar’s one-man show about his path from 1960s radicalism to, er…2020s radicalism, and took part in the audience debate which followed. I write about almost all these things here on my blog (where I frequently engage directly with those who comment), where I also feature links to my articles for the Mail on Sunday and other publications, and to Youtube versions of speeches I have made or interviews I have given (events which involve much interaction with others, from heckling to serious conversation) . I listen to a great deal of BBC Radio 4, though less than I used to. Perhaps it is also true that my dislike of crowds, mobs, cliques and consensus make the very idea of ‘following’ anyone in anything unattractive to me.’

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2016/09/peter-hitchens-faqs.html

So there you have it. He’s out of touch. Nothing on that list can possibly give him a rounded picture of the state of opinion in this country. Even the comments section of his blog posts does not count since that is very limited in scope. But don’t fret, he goes to the pictures and listens to Radio 4!

Yes, he made a choice, but he admits that his choice is based on what he sees as an inevitability. He admits to surrendering:

‘For me, the vaccination was a gloomy submission to a new world of excessive safety and regulation. I’d tried to fight against it but I lost.’

He’s still trying to play the martyr, except in reality it’s abject capitulation. Hitchens has been a staunch voice of reason, no question, but let’s not pretend he has not utterly capitulated.

442569 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnDanny, 19, #1170 of 2075 🔗

And at such an early stage too. I’d say there is more to it. Is he dying? Does he know something we do not?

Or maybe he has been riding a sea of fancy words, being an easy sceptic and getting paid for it. And when it came that he may actually suffer for his so called principles, he caved.

442606 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1171 of 2075 🔗

Well, he is dead to me!

442608 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1172 of 2075 🔗

It’s possibly a relative abroad that he might feel he needs to see sooner rather than later.

442630 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1173 of 2075 🔗

He’s bribed a Dr to look the other way and flush the frankenjab
Then make it public as cover
That’s exactly what I would do

442570 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #1174 of 2075 🔗

I’m surprised that so many on here are surprised at lesser Hitchens.
He has been a consistent negative nancy for as long as I can remember

442599 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #1175 of 2075 🔗

At least his brother had the courage of his convictions, even if he was a rabid leftard. Lesser Hitch doesn’t even make a convincing Christian. Has he even given HEK 293 a second thought?

442854 ▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), #1176 of 2075 🔗

I disagree with the ‘Lesser Hitch’ label, but I do take your points.

442590 ▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to JohnDanny, 11, #1177 of 2075 🔗

If he’s not controlled opposition, he might as well be.

442592 ▶▶ Kat, replying to JohnDanny, 25, #1178 of 2075 🔗

The trouble with Peter Hitchens is that while he considers himself to be constant thorn in the side of the establishment (for want of a better word), he is essentially a member of it and will never be able to leave it. He doesn’t really regard the rest of us ordinary civilians as of any relevance, other than to act as cheer leaders for him or other like minded columnists or polemicists. He makes his living from the mainstream media and this is reflected in his lifestyle and ultimately his choices about how he wants to live.

I support his right to take the vaccine (treatment) but I am incredibly surprised by his naivety. Does he truly believe that by having the jab, it will guarantee that he will be allowed to leave the country? This government is completely untrustworthy and has failed to deliver on any of its commitments from the very start with its ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’ rubbish. It has no credibility and Hitchens should know that.

442631 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Kat, 14, #1179 of 2075 🔗

I support his right to take the vaccine (treatment) but I am incredibly surprised by his naivety. Does he truly believe that by having the jab, it will guarantee that he will be allowed to leave the country? This government is completely untrustworthy and has failed to deliver on any of its commitments from the very start with its ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’ rubbish. It has no credibility and Hitchens should know that.

Perfectly put, Kat.

442877 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1180 of 2075 🔗

Yes, Hitchens of all people should know that.

442703 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to Kat, 4, #1181 of 2075 🔗

Agreed – he only exists BECAUSE OF the establishment. I have always disliked the way he set out to upset people with his prognostications, and never had the principles or courage to do anything about it. A bit of a Jonah really in that he thinks responsibilities are discharged by mere utterance.

442856 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Kat, #1182 of 2075 🔗

Excellent points.

442604 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to JohnDanny, 25, #1183 of 2075 🔗

Journalist, Vanessa Beeley (based in Syria) on UK Column yesterday (from about 22 minutes in):

She had a Twitter exchange with Hitchens which began

Beeley: ‘For that [travel] , you will throw Resistance under the bus. Well, better we know now.’

and ended with:

Hitchens , ‘Liberty is unpopular in this country I thought the lockdown policy so outrageous and ill-founded that this might change. After 11 months of unrelenting combat……’

She went on to say, ‘Well done, Peter, good job Syria didn’t give up after 11 months of unrelenting combat from the imperialist block! [Then, quoting Hitchens:} ‘I have to admit I was wrong. Liberty is still unpopular’. Perhaps for Hitchens but not for many others in the UK. I see no point in pretending otherwise.

Look, a number of people came back to me and said, ‘ Yes, but you know, it’s his personal choice if he wants to take the vaccine.’ I completely agree but don’t make your choice public!

Do not make your choice a way of surrendering publicly and persuading others, in other words your followers, that it is futile to resist; that what is coming, the wave of totalitarian fascism that is coming is unstoppable. And that is effectively what he’s done.

As a powerful influencer on social media and in the media and for that reason I find it disappointing, not surprising.

Let’s move on because clearly, he no longer represents the values we all uphold as fighting for freedom as resistance against what is a global power-grab by the parasite, predator class. I’m not abandoning those principles and the majority of his followers, when you read the replies to him, are not abandoning it.

So, leave him, let him surrender to it. That’s his choice .’

I agree with Vanessa. Let’s move on. MW

442657 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 13, #1184 of 2075 🔗

What ever Hitchens is or was, he isn’t a fighter, remember his solution to this shit how was writing to your MP.

442610 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, -1, #1185 of 2075 🔗

Sorry – buto be blunt – Who gives a fuck?

I guess virtue-signalling condemnation is a form of personal therapy – but it’s also irrelevant.

(And I’m not even a fan of Hitchens in general)

442623 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #1186 of 2075 🔗

I agree

I am a semi-fan of his, if you want to put it that way, but enough already with Hitchens

He never set himself up as a leader so stop treating him like one

442717 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #1187 of 2075 🔗

The last point is an essential one – also the confusion between taking the vaccine (and the essential right not to) and NPI issues.

442629 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 4, #1188 of 2075 🔗

Have a day off, you walking contradiction and utter bore. Once again you demonstrate your chronic inability to grasp terms and their definitions. If ‘condemnation’ is virtue signalling then you’re a perpetual virtue signaller, since you condemn others on here on a regular basis, including me in your stupid post!

How’s that personal therapy treating you?

You really do walk into these things, you utter moron.

442649 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, -7, #1189 of 2075 🔗

since you condemn others on here”

Only occasionally those who indulge in long-wided drum-banging irrelevance.

And thanks for the laugh about utter boredom – which was my point regarding your post which was about 10-20 longer than my average. 🙂 . But virtue-signallers losing their rag don’t have much of a sense of irony.

442699 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 2, #1190 of 2075 🔗

‘“since you condemn others on here”

‘Only occasionally those who indulge in long-wided drum-banging irrelevance.”

1. Then, on your own terms, you’re a virtue signaller. You’re hoist with your own petard. Again.

2. You’re so dense that you’re oblivious to your own ‘drum-banging irrelevance’ in which you constantly engage on here. The lack of self-awareness is a thing to behold. Or do you know you’re a moron who constantly contradicts himself?

‘And thanks for the laugh about utter boredom – which was my point regarding your post which was about 10-20 longer than my average.’

1. I said you’re a bore. Boredom isn’t something I experience. Yet again you’re confused. You’d be so much more at home on some dumb leftist site, Ricky.

2. You’re spending an inordinate amount of time on such a ‘boring’ post, Ricky.

‘But virtue-signallers losing their rag don’t have much of a sense of irony.’

Which itself is the most ironic sentence I’ve seen in some time. Think about it now, Ricky… Take your time, Champ.

442713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, -2, #1191 of 2075 🔗

Boredom isn’t something I experience.”

Evidently. If you proof read.-)

Never mind – But hey – if it helps you cope with your anger – all well and good.

But enough about you – I’m more interested in how we get out of the current mass psychosis – and repetitively banging on about Hitchens doesn’t contribute much, I fear. Which is the point I was making.

442719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, 2, #1192 of 2075 🔗

Give it up you lost.

442806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 1, #1193 of 2075 🔗

‘“Boredom isn’t something I experience.”

Evidently. If you proof read.-)’

Good grief. You’re desperate.

Oh look, anti-rational Ricky is anti-proofreading. No one’s really shocked.

‘Never mind – But hey – if it helps you cope with your anger – all well and good.’

Projection Your Honour!

Says the deranged leftist who regularly chucks a hissy fit when he sees posts he finds objectionable. Marvellous stuff.

Again, little Ricky thinks he’s an authority on what can and cannot be discissed in this comments section. I reckon he pesters the site owner asking to be made a moderator.

‘But enough about you…’

Bless. You’re the one who chose to enter a discussion to vent your spleen and tell everyone how much you disapprove of the discussion, Ricky. Have you tired yourself out, sausage?

‘…I’m more interested in how we get out of the current mass psychosis…’

Then go and deal with it, Champ. You’re not an ally of mine; you’re a deranged, dumb leftist. You’re a poor thinker, and there is no possible situation in which I’d find myself aligned with you.

‘…and repetitively banging on about Hitchens doesn’t contribute much, I fear. Which is the point I was making.’

Then sling your hook, you self-important cretin. You’re not an authority on what can and cannot be discussed here. That you think you are speaks absolute volumes.

442642 ▶▶ Alkanet, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #1194 of 2075 🔗

Thank you so much for this, frankly I’m sick to death of seeing his name on LDS and whilst vaguely aware he is someone in the public eye I’ve never read anything by him or know anything about him. Surely other regular LDS users also groan and keep scrolling every time yet another reference to him is posted?

442722 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alkanet, 2, #1195 of 2075 🔗

If you’ve never read anything by him and don’t know anything about him, what entitles you to condemn him?

442731 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Annie, #1196 of 2075 🔗

I think you might have misread the posting, Annie.

I’m actually more concerned at the moment how and why I’ve just received a ‘phone call about the vaccine. Essentially a fact-finding vaccine commercial, which implies my information – held for medical reasons – being used for non-essential purposes.

442736 ▶▶▶▶ Alkanet, replying to Annie, 1, #1197 of 2075 🔗

I’m not condemning him, I know nothing about him tbh except an inordinately large number of posts on LDS either praising or condemning him which frankly I find boring and not sufficiently related to the current pressing campaigns to end lockdowns, masks, social distancing, vaccines and vaccine passports etc.

442738 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Alkanet, 1, #1198 of 2075 🔗

But this is the comments section to articles ATL, did you read today’s edition?

442747 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1199 of 2075 🔗

I think that I do get where he is coming from. We all have a kind of Sisyphean moment from time to time and when that happens, it takes others around us to dig us out and point us back up the hill.
PH maybe hasn’t had that support and just wants to be sure that he can see his family again. There are plenty of us though to dash down, get the boulder and keep it going. Maybe he will keep on the task and maybe, just maybe, we will get it to the top of the hill.

442875 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #1200 of 2075 🔗

Best explanation I can think of is that the vaccine has turned his brains.

443116 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TJN, 1, #1201 of 2075 🔗

Little John was even worse.He was full on calling for vaccine passports to enter pubs.

442566 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #1202 of 2075 🔗

For those who want a copy/link here is the actual press release of the “serious and imminent threat” from 30th Jan 2020 that kicked all this off:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-four-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-novel-coronavirus

If you haven’t read t yet you will be shocked by how scary and serious the virus is.

442593 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1203 of 2075 🔗

And prior to that the experts had advised the government against securing the borders.

442595 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Awkward Git, #1204 of 2075 🔗

using existing and widely tested models” – I suppose they weren’t referring to Ferguson’s model. He’d have had us locked down decades ago

442605 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Awkward Git, #1205 of 2075 🔗

Yes,absolutely terrified by that. They almost said there might be some risk to the UK.

442653 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1206 of 2075 🔗

And even later, May 2020, Wittery and The Other One (you know, the one with all the pharma shares) were saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adj8MCsZKlg&feature=youtu.be

442589 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 18, #1207 of 2075 🔗

few things caught my eye in the news

“Covid-19: Regular tests a ‘game-changer’ for schools, says science adviser”
I’ve heard that before

The Brazil variant now found in the UK appears to be more contagious and able to evade immunity provided by past infection with coronavirus” and also “ Vaccines will work ‘against most variants'”

what a surprise – past infection doesn’t work but vaccines do

“Lockdown roadmap designed as ‘one-way route out of restrictions'”

the harder and longer we lockdown the less chance of a resurgence – just don’t know where to start with that

and then this

“His proposed breaking of the 0.7 promise and the 30% further reduction in cash will be the cause of 100,000 preventable deaths, mainly among children. This is a choice I for one and not prepared to make.””

Andrew Mitchell claims a £4billion saving from the overseas budget will cause 100,000 child deaths. I wonder what 450 million people being thrown out of work, 75 million children moving into the most vulnerable category, collapse in remittances etc will do? Does he fancy costing the human implications of the lockdown he voted for?

442634 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), replying to steve_w, 4, #1208 of 2075 🔗

“Covid-19: Regular tests a ‘game-changer’ for schools, says science adviser”

I’ve heard that before

Gamechanger as we will see 3000 – 14000 false positives per test round based on the accepted FPR of 0.32%. Isolating thousands of children and families unneccesarily.

“The Brazil variant now found in the UK appears to be more contagious and able to evade immunity provided by past infection with coronavirus” and also “Vaccines will work ‘against most variants’”

Yet we only have 6 cases in several weeks?



442644 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 7, #1209 of 2075 🔗

“Yet we only have 6 cases in several weeks?”

It always surprised me that covid ‘one of the most contagious viruses ever discovered’, where people go around asymptomatically infecting others, where you can infect ‘thousands’ of other people has an R value of about 1. ie on average you don’t even infect everyone you live with

442816 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, 2, #1210 of 2075 🔗

10% of people in the same home as somebody with symptomatic COVID19 “catch it”

442603 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1211 of 2075 🔗

For those about to send their kids back to school it says in this document which is dated 24 Feb 2021 and is the Government’s latest requirements for test kits that manufacturer’s have to abide by:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-tests-and-testing-kits-for-coronavirus-covid-19-work/target-product-profile-point-of-care-sars-cov-2-detection-tests

“Target userDesiredTrained healthcare professional (i.e. one of the 10 health and social care professional bodies that are overseen by the professional standards authority )

A healthcare professional will select the right test to use with the patient, perform the test and then interpret and communicate the results. There may be some scope for supervised self-sampling where the sample collection device is CE marked for this purpose (eg. saliva samples). Full training appropriate to the intended user is required.”

So ask to see their medical training certificate and registration with the relevant training body.

“Sample typeDesiredSputum, saliva or other method not using invasive swab

CommentMethods not using invasive swabs are desirable due to patient discomfort, pre-analytical errors and issues with supply chain.”

So ask for this type of swab for comfort reasons.

Have fun. Let us know how you get on.

442643 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1212 of 2075 🔗

I know you are talking about school children however I’m coming across a lot of people getting worried because they are being forced to have a pcr test for say a hospital appointment. They are worried and anxious about the swab tests. Is it acceptable for them to say they are happy do a saliva test rather than the swab.? Does anyone know if this is accepted? Are the test centres used by the NHS centres able to offer both? I have never been near one bit it would put some people’s minds at rest.

442677 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Suzyv, 2, #1213 of 2075 🔗

My son had to have a test to travel to Poland.

He told them his septum is very weak (it is, true) and he may have a very bad nose bleed if they did anything worng so the person doing the swab only rubbed it on his tongue and took great care he said.

Guess it depneds on what you tell them and how and on the person doing the swab.

Never had a test yet so don’t know for sure.

The Government document is their requirements for the tests they want to purchase and use so are binding on whoevereis procuring the tests and doing the tests.

I guess you can try printing up the information and showing them at the test centre and say you only want a saliva sample taken.

442777 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Awkward Git, #1214 of 2075 🔗

Good info, thanks.

442692 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Awkward Git, #1215 of 2075 🔗

I’ve heard it said that if kids refuse to take the test then they can’t be sent home from school but they can be isolated from their class. Any truth in this?

442702 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to arfurmo, #1216 of 2075 🔗

Been covered on here a few times and been on the TV and MSM – all voluntary and masks as well, it’s only guidance.

Ministers even stated that children acnnot be sent home or excluded from school for not having a test or not wearing a mask.

Quick search of this site and the interent will pull up the references quick enough.

Guidance is NOT law, has NO force of law and CANNOT be enforced – simples.

Government Legal Department stated this in writing.

442814 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Awkward Git, #1217 of 2075 🔗

Yes but being physically at school but not in class would not count as being sent home or excluded from school.

443229 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1218 of 2075 🔗

The problem is that although it says it’s guidance, it takes a brave and unusual child who will want to stand out and get bullied. It is coercion by peer pressure and bullying basically. My 18 year old will wear one, as much as she knows I am absolutely adamant that she shouldn’t. She doesn’t want her friends to hate her – it’s as simple as that. And the bastards know it.

442628 Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 9, #1219 of 2075 🔗

The importance of T-cell immunity! This study finds CD4+ and CD8+ T-cell mediated responses are minimally affected by mutations found in SARS-CoV-2 VOCs (B.1.1.7, B.1.351, & P.1.) and VOI CAL20.C! Immunity is about more than just antibodies! Let’s go!

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1366742151351132168

442646 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sarigan (Day 344 of lockdown), 12, #1220 of 2075 🔗

Sars1 patients were immune to Sars2 – 17 years later so the variant argument has been moot for a while
Coronavirus cross recognition is pretty robust in a healthy immune system

442641 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 18, #1221 of 2075 🔗

quick Zoe update

new ‘symptomatics’ down to 8500 a day. This is multiplied up from users to population level. about 1 in 50 people reports daily. ie this represents 160 actual people. Thousands of people are getting colds, hangovers, hay fever and now the vaccine side-effects which poor Tim and his team have to subtract to leave the princely number of 160. Let’s face it – covid has gone.

442670 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to steve_w, 8, #1222 of 2075 🔗

Let’s face it – covid has gone.

But… muh variants!

442691 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1223 of 2075 🔗

Don’t panic if you lose one, another one will come along.

442680 ▶▶ stewart, replying to steve_w, 2, #1224 of 2075 🔗

As if that ever mattered.

442961 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 1, #1225 of 2075 🔗

Does look encouraging.

At one point they were suggesting the decline in new symptomatic positives was completely levelling off, but it did seem to be those experimentally vaccinated testing positive immediately afterwards that was causing the problem.

I don’t think they want to go near the truth on why the vaccine is causing people to test positive. Their explanation of their algorithm changing was less than convincing. They seem to be saying that people could still get covid after the vaccination and so they were wrongly picking up these cases, but wouldn’t that also be true if they hadn’t had the vaccine also. That’s what they are trying to calculate, those who test positive under a PCR test (whatever that means).

Perhaps they are suggesting those vaccinated positive people might have been asymptomatic positives otherwise and not picked up but it was the vaccine side affects that caused them to be symptomatic positives. But would have to be a lot of side affects to affect it as much as it did and what a coincidence that so many test positive just after the vaccine. So you can see why their objectivity goes, because they are getting dangerously near an explanation as why so many covid deaths occured in care homes in the weeks after vaccination. Perhaps the vaccine makes people more susceptible to covid, which coincides with people having to deal with the side affects of the vaccine also making an infection they might have fought off quite dangerous. Perhaps the short term side affects are fairly extreme and in the vulnerable potentially fatal (and long term affects eeek). Anyway they choose to hide behind the black box of their algorithm.

442647 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1226 of 2075 🔗

https://twitter.com/jpkiekens/status/1366470668074840067 India and HCQ/Ivermectin

But for a dramatic effect of ivermectin look at Mexico City.

https://twitter.com/jjchamie/status/1353055523008991237

442665 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Andrew K, 8, #1227 of 2075 🔗

Ivermectin is used a lot in Florida. Could this explain why their death rate is so low, even though they have an older than average population?

442652 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 26, #1228 of 2075 🔗

Just had a nurse in. She works in a local hospital and apparently they have not been busy apart from in November and December. Stroke wards are empty and they are ‘managing illness’. Appalling.

442654 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 5, #1229 of 2075 🔗

One for the blackboard 😉

442658 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 4, #1230 of 2075 🔗

It’s on the list!

442690 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kh1485, 9, #1231 of 2075 🔗

For a variety of reasons a large number of sick people are avoiding the NHS. I am in this category (largely self-inflicted, so I have no complaints). When the issues that are not being treated become so severe that treatment is unavoidable, the NHS will be busier than ever.

442746 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to kh1485, 1, #1232 of 2075 🔗

I wonder why stroke wards are empty.
Because they are so severe they die/
Because they are minor strokes and out of fear to catch covid in hospital patients avoid seeking treatment?
or do for some reason people have less strokes?
With some of the side effects reported, esp Pfizer, I thought strokes would be on the up.

442749 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Silke David, 5, #1233 of 2075 🔗

Because people have strokes and probably die at home due to being afraid of overwhelming the NHS

442977 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Silke David, 1, #1234 of 2075 🔗

I got the distinct impression that they were discouraging people from going into hospital.

443018 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to kh1485, 1, #1235 of 2075 🔗

I had to go to hospital for a delayed routine anual examination in a day patient unit. At the end, a nurse gave me the test reults and checked I hadn’t forgotten anything e.g. glasses as I would not be able to come back for a year!

442660 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 17, #1236 of 2075 🔗

Evelyn Waugh:

Interviewer: You are in favour of capital punishment? Waugh: For an enormous number of offences, yes. Interviewer: And you yourself would be prepared to carry it out? Waugh: Do you mean actually do the hangman’s work? Interviewer: Yes. Waugh: I should think it very odd for them to choose a novelist for such a task.

442662 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #1237 of 2075 🔗

very good

Waugh: Do you mean actually do the hangman’s work? Interviewer: Yes. Waugh: What are the hours?”

442745 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #1238 of 2075 🔗

His more comic novels are still laught-out funny.

How about this Waugh quote, rather apposite given what face in the shape of Big Tech billionaires, WEF, Imperial College, Big Pharma and the MSM.

The human mind is inspired enough when it comes to inventing horrors; it is when it tries to invent a Heaven that it shows itself cloddish .

They’ve certainly invented some new horrors that we never had before: lockdowns, mandatory masks, invasive mass testing, and coercive vaccination.

443493 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to OKUK, #1239 of 2075 🔗

Always fancied myself as Ritchie-Hook

442666 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1240 of 2075 🔗

Have you seen this Welsh Man Arrested, Claims He Was Strip-Searched For Going For A Walk Too Far From Home our glorious police at work once again.

It really demonstrates the cognitive dissonance of leftist ideology (they look woke) arresting a covid suspect wearing masks, then invading his personal space and man handle him risking “infection” before strip searching, and strip searches have to be authorized by a senior officer, so you can’t just blame the plebs..

Of course shouting isn’t a coronavirus violation.

442688 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1241 of 2075 🔗

Sorry ladies & lefties this is why equality doesn’t work, this man was arrested because these girls were scared! He was guilty of raising his voice. Because from as far as I know travelling more than 5 miles in England isn’t against the corona act & they therefore had no valid reason to ask his name & address. Another act of state control & violation of human rights.

442772 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1242 of 2075 🔗

You ruin the valid points that you make by adding on mickey-mouse typifications and generalisations that make you look pretty stupid.

It’s 77th Brigade fodder.

442790 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to RickH, #1243 of 2075 🔗

Oh here’s LS resident heckler. Thought it would get a bite from you. Who else but liberal lefties believe in equality?

Tell me if you believe that man couldn’t take down those 2 girls if he tried.

442675 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 19, #1244 of 2075 🔗

Always worth pausing occasionally to remind ourselves of what used to be regarded as inalienable human rights until only a year ago, and to reflect on just how far away from this gold standard we as citizens (collectively submitting to phase 3 trial of experimental gene therapy, while vociferously condemning those who stand firm against this invasion of corporal integrity) have allowed ourselves to be led.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights (excerpt)

Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice. Exceptions to this principle should be made only in accordance with ethical and legal standards adopted by States, consistent with the principles and provisions set out in this Declaration, in particular in Article 27, and international human rights law.

3. In appropriate cases of research carried out on a group of persons or a community, additional agreement of the legal representatives of the group or community concerned may be sought. In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.

442678 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 2, #1245 of 2075 🔗

How can I get Article 6 (1) printed out onto 500 stickers?

442682 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 11, #1246 of 2075 🔗

It’s always worth reminding everyone. The Nuremberg Code (1947)

Permissible Medical Experiments

The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:

  1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This
    means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give
    consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of
    choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit,
    duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion;
    and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements
    of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding
    and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the
    acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there
    should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the
    experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all
    inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects
    upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation
    in the experiment.
  2. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
  3. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
  4. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.
  5. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
  6. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
  7. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
  8. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.
  9. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
  10. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
  11. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

For more information see Nuremberg Doctor’s Trial , BMJ 1996;313(7070):1445-75 .

442706 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1247 of 2075 🔗

No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur;

Yet even faced with the post vaxx care home deaths (and many others), there is absolutely no hesitation from Whitty & Co in proceeding, nor any hint of contrition for these deaths.
Likewise every other point made above can be referenced to illegal state decrees, particularly point 1:

….without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit,

duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; ….

442767 ▶▶ RickH, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 5, #1248 of 2075 🔗

You’re absolutely right in staying the need to keep this in the forefront – ahead of any general bullshit.

What frightens me is the possibility that a large proportion of the population may be willing to give up on these basic principles that cost so much to embed in international conventions.

442882 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #1249 of 2075 🔗

I think they simply believe others are there to fight for them. Lazy as shite, they won’t see it until its too late. Then they’ll blame anti vaxxers and foreigners

442685 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 40, #1250 of 2075 🔗

Slow hand clap if you will for Essex’s finest:

The park, empty except for a couple (both in their 80s) who have bought a takeaway and are then harassed by plod. Plod walks past and customer, in one of the best put downs I’ve heard, says “How lovely to see you, we don’t normally see you round here” Plod: “Are you just sitting here having a rest?” Cust: “We’ve just been on a very long walk and are having a rest and a coffee” Plod “Well, it looks like you are reading a newspaper which is more like recreation” FFS.

442694 ▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 19, #1251 of 2075 🔗

long time since reading a newspaper has been recreational . Doesnt it count as government controlled re-education and so would be permissable ?

442698 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mj, 9, #1252 of 2075 🔗

Good point. Though he reads Le Monde – not sure where that particular publication stands on the propaganda front.

442728 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to kh1485, 3, #1253 of 2075 🔗

by the way . nice reply to the twat advisor comment.

443017 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to mj, #1254 of 2075 🔗

Thanks.

442723 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to kh1485, 3, #1255 of 2075 🔗

How to win friends and influence people, eh?

442686 Basics, 29, #1256 of 2075 🔗

Today a list of 38 alleged breaches of the ministerial code by Krank are doing the rounds. Jim Sillars ex snp deputy leader is calling for a revolt of to clear out the snp leadership. A vote of no confidence may be forth coming against current snp deputy leader for three times not providing government documents for transparent scrutiny. The snp cabinet lord advocate hybrid just popped into the ongoing inquiry into government catastrophic handling of complaints as a witness and proclaimed he has forgotten when he learned of the criminal allegations made against Salmond – ex snp first minister – late cleared of all charges. The lord advocate sinply ignored the question of who told him.

And so, out comes pulpit sturgeon for her daily TV hour show and says –
BREAKING: Nicola Sturgeon has stated that “it might be possible to accelerate the exit from lockdown” due to positive data

Funny how the old brazillian goes away when politicians are toast. Noticable sturgeon barely looked up while delivering today’s sermon.

442700 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 17, #1257 of 2075 🔗

I’ve decided to be slightly optimistic again today. Double masking and wearing a mask while jogging are such ridiculous positions that surely with each announcement that is made more and more sheeple are waking up? Surely?!

442707 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kenadams, 6, #1258 of 2075 🔗

waiting for the eye coverings after the mask mandate outside mandate.

442714 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Andrew K, 7, #1259 of 2075 🔗

If I were in government I’d be sorely tempted just to see how many idiots actually take it seriously.

442724 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Richard O, 4, #1260 of 2075 🔗

Wait for the warmer weather and they my even try cover your arms and legs. Virus seeps through the pours. I can see their ads now, green gunk seeping out of skin.

442851 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Andrew K, #1261 of 2075 🔗

OMG – don’t give the idiots ideas…

442726 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1262 of 2075 🔗

And the ear plugs, can’t be too careful!

442709 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to kenadams, 4, #1263 of 2075 🔗

Baaaaa!

442756 ▶▶ danny, replying to kenadams, 2, #1264 of 2075 🔗

Or passing out.

442769 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to kenadams, 4, #1265 of 2075 🔗

I am starting to fancy lobotomies for most of the population, all politicians, scientists and presstitutes.
Not that it would make that much of a difference anymore outputwise, but at least it would shut them up more.

442775 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kenadams, 1, #1266 of 2075 🔗

Tory blue butt plugs to keep the Rona inside

442870 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to kenadams, 1, #1267 of 2075 🔗

Hum, I think you’re underestimating how brainwashed people are. Just saw some knobber post this helpful tip on a local neighbourhood forum:

To avoid the awkward walking along the pavement moments I practice just wearing my mask as I leave out as I most likely to be going to the shop where I have to put it on anyway. The only time I don’t is when I know I’m going for a run or power walk where I need the extra air flow and I’m heading for open places (parks etc) in off peak times.

At least he has enough intelligence to note that masks inhibit airflow and maybe this is necessary for running / power walking. I suppose he doesn’t breath much on other occasions.

442711 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 9, #1268 of 2075 🔗

Coronavirus (COVID-19) antibody data for the UK for the period15 January 2021 to 11 February 2021

Age 16 – 24: 30.1% antibody prevalence
Age 25 – 34: 22.8%
Age 35 – 49: 21.8%
Age 50 – 69: 19.9%
Age 70 – 74: 16.6%
Age 75 – 79: 24.9%
Age 80 years and over: 56.4%

Many of the 16-24 age group may have had detectable antibodies that have now waned and aren’t detectable, and many will have fought off SARS-C0V-2 through innate immunity or through adaptive t cell immunity with no detectable antibodies.

And can’t imagine many 16-24 year olds will have had the experimental vaccine yet so that can only be a very small component of the 30.1%.

So when you take into account pre-existing immunity also, it is hard to conceive that anything other than a small minority of the age 16-24 year age group are susceptible to SARS-C0V-2. They may get a very mild infection at a future date, but that will be about it, and it should mean they won’t be major vectors of transmission either.

Remind me what is the experimental vaccine supposed to achieve in people given there is so much immunity out there? And if someone was considering experimental vaccination, should they not be checked for T cell and antibody immunity first as an alternative.

And why all this nonsense in schools, given most children must also be immune and certainly aren’t major transmitters.

442718 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Freecumbria, 15, #1269 of 2075 🔗

My niece’s daughter, 11, has to test twice a week at school and the same at home, her mother, a teacher does the same. Utterly ridiculous, I said, oh she’ll get used to it, she said, she shouldn’t have to, I said.

442740 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, 10, #1270 of 2075 🔗

I guess your niece could get used to the idea shagging the headmaster four times a week, if asked by the government, in order to improve exam results – ?

But it wouldn’t make it a good or credible idea.

442755 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1271 of 2075 🔗

It is not compulsory.
Don’t do it.

442712 The Dark Lord, 11, #1272 of 2075 🔗

we are being deluged with Opience … which is the “opinions” of scientists dressed up as “science” when in fact it has proven to be WAG’s …

442716 VickyA, replying to VickyA, 6, #1273 of 2075 🔗

Louise Hay (founder of Hay House books) wrote about linking illnesses to states of mind. I always find it interesting as a reference. She wrote the book I am using in 1982. I was looking up something else but then happened upon influenza…entry as follows

Problem: influenza

State of mind: response to mass negativity and beliefs. Fear. Belief in statistics.

New thought pattern: I am beyond group beliefs or the calendar. I am free from all congestion and influence.

Influence?? Influenza?? In 1982, very prescient.

442742 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to VickyA, 3, #1274 of 2075 🔗

I’d say most influenza and colds can be prevented simply by taking sufficient vitamin D. Obviously eating less sugar, more real fat and protein and exercising helps but I’d say vitamin D goes a long long way.

442752 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mhcp, 4, #1275 of 2075 🔗

Good quality meat (grass fed if possible) for your immune system
Don’t let these crazy veggies get away with their insane fad diets

442721 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 25, #1276 of 2075 🔗

I’ve just been speaking to my next door neighbour over the fence. He was excitedly speaking of planned travels in July to eastern Europe ”when the lockdown’s over” and ”when we’ve both had our jabs”…. I didn’t say anything. I was aware that if I spoke I’d sound like Eeyore. So I nodded and said ”Sounds lovely” – which it did.

442733 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Banjones, 17, #1277 of 2075 🔗

By conflating vaccination with the lifting of lockdown, he has unknowingly conceded that he will never travel overseas again (i.e. the government won’t lift restrictions until coverage is 100%, which will never happen).

Do give us an update when July rolls around and he still isn’t going anywhere.

442739 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 10, #1278 of 2075 🔗

I fear that’ll be so. I didn’t say anything because I feel almost certain he’ll be disappointed. Still: ” to travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive ”. I hope he can go on being hopeful for a while – at least he’s happy for now.

442751 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Banjones, 5, #1279 of 2075 🔗

I think you did the right thing to keep a low profile. Judging by his level of delusion he is beyond saving.

442789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 5, #1280 of 2075 🔗

He is a simple, trusting soul. Not at all a raving lockdown enthusiast – just someone who follows the rules because of a misguided belief and trust in the government having our welfare at heart.
Yes – deluded. But just the sort of basically decent person who typifies the many who are being betrayed and walking straight into the trap. More to be pitied than censured?

442799 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Banjones, 8, #1281 of 2075 🔗

Well he is heading for the lifelong meat grinder of a technocratic slave state regardless of his false beliefs, misplaced trust or basic decency.

442741 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Richard O, 7, #1282 of 2075 🔗

and when covid 22 arrives all travel will be banned again until a vaccine for that is miraculously discovered and then pumped into the sheep.

442743 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richard O, 4, #1283 of 2075 🔗

Encourage them to shell out as much money as possible they deserve to get fleeced

442849 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Banjones, 1, #1284 of 2075 🔗

NO!!!!! Wrong response…..don’t encourage the idiots.

442855 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to ElizaP, 2, #1285 of 2075 🔗

I’m keeping my powder dry. There’s plenty of time for some coercion of my own….

442949 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to ElizaP, #1286 of 2075 🔗

yes, tell them you hope they’ll live long enough to go on their holiday. that’s what I always say.

442737 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 22, #1287 of 2075 🔗

A friend of mine, who I would count among the fittest of my friends in their sixties recently succumbed to a bad bout of “Covid” – very soon after having received the Covid vaccine. Prior to the vaccine he was as fit as the proverbial fiddle going on long walks or bike rides pretty much every day.

I wonder how much this has been, or rather is being, replicated across the country?

442766 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to OKUK, 5, #1288 of 2075 🔗

Apparently, breast cancer cases shooting up now in the US after the vaccine…. Another conspiracy theory becoming reality?!

442783 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JayBee, 6, #1289 of 2075 🔗

More likely that breast cancers, growing during the lockdowns, have become difficult to ignore, and people are less afraid of seeking medical help.

442787 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JayBee, 4, #1290 of 2075 🔗

I think someone posted something similar here yesterday. So will breast cancer deaths be recorded as cancer, covid or vaccine?

This is why any rushed treatment/drug/vaccine is very wrong.

442943 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1291 of 2075 🔗

no prizes for guessing!

443323 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1292 of 2075 🔗

Could be ascribed to “failure to lockdown early and hard enough”.

442760 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1294 of 2075 🔗

I cannot view the precipitous drop in cases as anything other than deliberate vaccine propaganda. It’s a completely artificial phenomenon.

442762 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 8, #1295 of 2075 🔗

If you check out the best rated readers comments, that’s what many DM readers think too.

442794 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Richard O, 5, #1296 of 2075 🔗

Someone I know (a lockdown supporter) asked: ”So why do the case numbers fall during lockdown if it’s not effective?” I just didn’t know where to begin.

442935 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Banjones, 2, #1297 of 2075 🔗

tell him ‘well, I’ve been wearing green every day since last March, and cases have fallen. therefore me wearing green must be effective.’ or ‘every day I stepped on the pavement cracks, cases went up. then one day I didn’t, and they went down. so make sure not to step on the pavement cracks.’

442796 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1298 of 2075 🔗

Funny how this one sentence is added “Britain is set to be included in the EU’s vaccine passport scheme in sign of hope for holidays” – so our government will claim it wasn’t us, it was the EU.

442810 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1299 of 2075 🔗

Yes noticed that earlier, I thought we left the EU.

442852 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1300 of 2075 🔗

I said a couple of days ago, I think we agreed to the vaccine passport scheme planned by the EU nearly 5 years ago as part of the brexit deal.

442853 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1301 of 2075 🔗

Yeah, and there are85-year-olds waltzing about everywhere, not-infecting people.

442748 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1302 of 2075 🔗

Wonder when the Coronavirus Act will be repealed or is this the reason for the mythical ‘variants’

442776 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1303 of 2075 🔗

Your guess is as good as anyone else’s.

442807 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1304 of 2075 🔗

Took them 60-70 years to allow pubs to open in the afternoon, ww1 act.

442750 Anti_socialist, 24, #1305 of 2075 🔗

Britain’s Covid vaccines should cut the risk of dying or being hospitalised even more in younger adults than over-80s and could ‘almost completely’ stop transmission, Public Health England expert says So if I get this right, the section of society with almost zero covid death or illness, will be saved from dying because of the vaccine, brilliant.

442754 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 12, #1306 of 2075 🔗

Just putting this out there – two older (to me) women that I think I now fancy a bit, having never heard of them before Covid: Kristi Noem and Laura Perrins. And the attraction is more what they say than how they look…

442846 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kenadams, 2, #1307 of 2075 🔗

add Lauren “gunslinger” Boebert to the list

442887 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kenadams, 2, #1308 of 2075 🔗

Governor Noem is great but the MSM plan to run the Sarah Palin playbook on her times one hundred.

Thankfully Noem will not be saddled with a jealous, insecure loser like John McCain, who actually had less executive experience than Palin during their campaign together.

442763 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John, 3, #1310 of 2075 🔗

I find BBC abhorrent to.

442779 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to John, 5, #1311 of 2075 🔗

Looking into the eyes of Prof Farooqi who is featured in the article, I get a sense that his style of persuasion would not be of the friendly variety. He would look at home in an SS uniform.

442844 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1312 of 2075 🔗

I’m a believer in reincarnation personally. I know a former SS officer when I see one – yep….

442784 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to John, #1313 of 2075 🔗

My GP told a neighbour when asked when she could have her jab ‘nothing to do with me’

442759 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1314 of 2075 🔗

But wait daily fail has some good news UK should ‘move away from an obsession with variants’, says Oxford vaccine chief and government scientist claims the coronavirus may no longer be evolving as quickly Uh oh, this picture is their scientists concept of Covid-19, no wonder they think masks work!

442805 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1315 of 2075 🔗

Bloody hell, are those covid blobs to scale? No wonder people are scared.

442823 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to stefarm, 5, #1316 of 2075 🔗

That’s why they think masks work!

442883 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1317 of 2075 🔗

And goggles, could have an eye out!

442885 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1318 of 2075 🔗

They have missed out the eyes and mouth-parts. Idiots.

442899 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #1319 of 2075 🔗

It’s when they start getting biblical with each other that the problems really start…

443105 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1320 of 2075 🔗

I might redecorate in those colours – very pretty

442761 Cecil B, 42, #1321 of 2075 🔗

In March last year I woke up one morning and found myself in Nazi Germany

Most people had joined the The Party and proudly displayed their blue and white membership badges. The hysteria was all consuming

The informers and busybodies couldn’t wait to pick up their phones and inject some meaning to their pathetic lives

Shrill, smirking, dangerous propagandists barked from the screens and the people cheered

All freedoms were stripped away in the name of the great cause

All forms of enjoyment including birthdays, Christmas, pubs and theatres were banned

Perverted science and medicine took centre stage

Innocent people were held in detention camps at airports

Dissidents were beaten and jailed by the para military police

People were left to die of cancer, and the despondent killed themselves

Our old people were incarcerated and abused

Making money trumped everything

In Normandy, Arnhem and many other places betrayed 19year old’s lie in their graves

442764 awildgoose, 10, #1322 of 2075 🔗

Los Angeles teachers protest that reopening schools is, “structural racism:”

https://www.breitbart.com/education/2021/03/02/l-a-teachers-union-californias-school-reopening-plan-structural-racism/

Fire them all, then claw back all salary and benefits received during the shutdown.

442765 isobar, replying to isobar, 14, #1323 of 2075 🔗


If best rated rated readers comments in this article are anything to go by, some hesitancy by Sun Readers to getting the ‘jab’

‘MATT Hancock says “freedom is on horizon” and said the UK was on track for all adults to be jabbed by July as vaccines will be ramped up this month’

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/14205490/matt-hancock-commons-statement-brazil-variant-live/

Top rated readers comment on this article so far

‘ALL adults will be jabbed by July? So the ones like me who are refusing it will be pinned down and jabbed then?’ 56 upticks

Snap poll of Sun readers puts ‘decline’ (already or will) the ‘jab’ rate at 10.8%

442771 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 12, #1324 of 2075 🔗

More psychological warfare. Vaccine = freedom (lie). Offered = jabbed (lie).

Hancock is setting up the knockout blow in a few months: “ We wanted to give you back your freedoms but we cannot because of these selfish anti-vaxxers.

442778 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 8, #1325 of 2075 🔗

Of course, wouldn’t expect anything less from this mendacious government. But I do think that more and more people are seeing through it, which is a good sign.

442788 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to isobar, 10, #1326 of 2075 🔗

The percentage of people who have broken the spell of the brainwashing and propaganda is greater than ever, and has grown exponentially over the last year, but we started from a position of close to zero.

If we can reach 10% of the population not conforming it will be a good result, but not enough to prevent our descent into the abyss along with the other 90%.

442842 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Richard O, 1, #1327 of 2075 🔗

I do hope you are wrong – fingers crossed…

442850 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ElizaP, 8, #1328 of 2075 🔗

Hancock hasn’t been jabbed because he said he’s had covid and is immune. I suggest people claim to have either had covid already or have had the jab.

442845 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to isobar, 4, #1329 of 2075 🔗
442863 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1330 of 2075 🔗

Very interesting article. We know what happens when mafia debt collectors make a call and you don’t pay up. Expect a few governments to collapse over the summer.

443077 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Bella Donna, #1331 of 2075 🔗

Good spot!

442768 JamesDrebin, replying to JamesDrebin, 10, #1332 of 2075 🔗

And so it begins – the first salvo in my own coercion war. I’m not yet 40, but I’ve had my invite to get stabbed with some Frankenpharma Coof Juice.

I’m facing family pressure to conform (I’m the only one kicking against it, much to their incredulous horror), and once I’m back off the fetid furlough, there is going to be a 100% chance of further pressure to get pricked given the kind of place I work. I’m already so tired of all this, and yet the most nightmarish chapter is only just about to start.

REQUEST: Does anyone have a link to a very simple, very succinct, factually referenced argument against accepting these injections on safety and lack-of-data grounds, ideally using UK data/sources, including pointing out the holes in the trials of the Astra Zennica product, not just Pfizer’s offering?

I really want to be able to forcefully and factually state my informed decision to decline, as I think that will do more for the cause than flat refusal to loved ones and colleagues.

Thanks all. I could do with the support.

442770 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #1333 of 2075 🔗

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442773 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1334 of 2075 🔗

You can die!

442791 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to JamesDrebin, 24, #1335 of 2075 🔗

I’m not arguing against based on safety, I’m arguing based on the following:

  1. It’s totally unnecessary
  2. It’s not just a jab but agreement to being jabbed frequently and forever.
  3. It’s agreement to your freedom being negotiable.
442801 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 11, #1336 of 2075 🔗

My body my choice!

Even if your objection was simply I don’t want to, it would be just as valid.

442838 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1337 of 2075 🔗

My body = my choice. I learnt that lesson back in the pro/anti abortion era. Very applicable right here right now.

442833 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 8, #1338 of 2075 🔗

1. In 99.7% of all cases symptoms are MILD (greater percentage in under 40s) – stats widely available
2. Natural immunity is ALWAYS better than synthetic so best to keep the body robust and not vaccine dependent (drug addicted)
3. Solidarity with others who will not be taking it to ensure there is NO stigmatisation and segregation
4. Smoking was pushed by doctors for years and look where we are now.
5. Ivermectin is excellent therapeutic drug so “emergency use approval” should be pulled any day now.
6. You don’t want to be part of a human trial but think they are brave – and a little reckless – for agreeing to it.

443154 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #1339 of 2075 🔗

Point 3 being my main reason for refusing it.

442793 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JamesDrebin, 11, #1340 of 2075 🔗

You’re not even 40 the chance of sying of flu with new name is lower than dying of the experimental gene therapy. Simply decline. There could be as many 25m who will do the same. very difficult to have a two tiered system with that many non poisoned people.

PS tell anybody you have Ivermectin to protect you, if they say what’s that, shout at them and say you want me to take an experimental gene therapy and you don’t know what Ivermectin is, look it up.

442795 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #1341 of 2075 🔗

Hope you get the chance to explain, as soon as I said No, I’m not having it, she said ok will take you off the list so you arent bothered again and that was it.

442809 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to JamesDrebin, 3, #1342 of 2075 🔗

I sent my father a link to a Simone Gold video, in the interests of informed consent. He got jabbed anyway.

I am a similar age to you, so all I can say is there will be two of us at least in the age bracket who will not be compliant.

Here’s the link, for what it’s worth. Most of it seemed pretty good to me, although I was less than convinced when reference was made to autism being induced by a (non-Covid, and not MMR) vaccine. Oh, and you wanted concise. It’s not concise. But I’ve typed it now. : https://www.bitchute.com/video/onWqOMszB3Pc/

442811 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #1343 of 2075 🔗

Facts and figure and graphs will not work

They have been traumatised by propaganda and you must respond in kind

Vaccine injuries and deaths over on Gab is a good start
Show them the visceral evidence

https://gab.com/groups/6054

442829 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to mattghg, 10, #1345 of 2075 🔗

It’s a great template, but way too long and nuanced for the zombies.

I take the hardline approach with anyone who “struggles” with my position. They can fuck off out of my life and never come back.

442834 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JamesDrebin, 5, #1346 of 2075 🔗

Think of Assertiveness Training. That being there are 3 ways to respond to a request – passively (= get walked over), aggressively (= bloody well belt them one), assertively (making it plain you decide what concerns you and that’s the end of it). Very useful technique of the Broken Record. State words to effect of “I won’t be having it….I won’t be having it….I won’t be having it” etc etc etc. In my experience the greatest number of times I’ve had to repeat the same message yet again in very much the same words (and do NOT apologise – at all – ever about your decision for yourself) was around 10 to 12 times before the person having a go had to admit to themselves that I was the one going to make MY decision = end of = STFU.

442840 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to ElizaP, 4, #1347 of 2075 🔗

Assertiveness Training “, now there’s a blast from the past! Excellent advice and techniques for handling persistent bullies too.

442836 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to JamesDrebin, 8, #1348 of 2075 🔗

You can simply say the vaccine trials do not end until next year so you will reassess the position then.

442931 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1349 of 2075 🔗

The reason I’m planning to give is ‘as there are a number of different vaccines I am waiting to see which one works best before making a decision’. No need to mention that my decision would likely be no to all or any of them.

442848 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to JamesDrebin, 18, #1350 of 2075 🔗

One of my issues is that whilst everyone else may think this is urgent, I do not, I live in a very low covid area, the virus is in seasonal decline and I feel quite entitled to a period of procrastination on the subject. Why should I even have to say yes or no at the moment?

I may eventually have to do something to facilitate international travel to visit my family but no rush to decide and they will be peddling these potions for quite a while yet I am quite sure.

Then there are technical issues; there are at least 4 types of covid potions, only examples of the first 2 are currently available and these are both of the scary gene therapy type. There are other types coming along, Novovax may be a slightly less scary type, it has passed various trials and the UK has ordered some. Then they are developing nasal spray types based on the old traditional vaccine technology.

And so for myself,if I can I will avoid vaccination altogether, I will do all I can to avoid the Pfizer/Astro-Zeneca types but if I am eventually left with the need to do something in order to visit family I will consider either Novovax or the Nasal Spray types.
But I am in no rush, there are times when procrastination is the best policy

442890 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #1352 of 2075 🔗

Just posted this above, it’s a bit long but I’m sure you can find something in there.

http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/

442904 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JamesDrebin, 4, #1353 of 2075 🔗

Not helpful, but just tell them “no thanks”. There will be plently of time to debate the issue when you’re being held on to be jabbed.

Just say “No!” If they ask why, say, “Because I’m free and have the right to choose.”

442962 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JamesDrebin, 2, #1354 of 2075 🔗

The trials were designed specifically with an exceptionally low threshold to determine ‘success’: “ A careful reading reveals that the minimum qualification for a case of Covid-19 is a positive PCR test and one or two mild symptoms. These include headache, fever, cough, or mild nausea. This is far from adequate. These vaccine trials are testing to prevent common cold symptoms.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=3cc39ad25247

442971 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to JamesDrebin, -10, #1355 of 2075 🔗

Does anyone have a link to a very simple, very succinct, factually referenced argument against accepting these injections on safety and lack-of-data grounds”

Nobody will have – given we have had 20 million people vaccinated and the morturaries are hardly overflowing.

No greater trial has ever been conducted.

If you are not taking the vaccine you are doing it on emotional grounds, not scientific ones.

442991 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #1356 of 2075 🔗

LOL, what a load of bollox.

Just ask them to provide independent research they’re safe!

443009 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #1357 of 2075 🔗

It’s up to them to provide evidence that convinces you that they are safe, not for you to prove they are unsafe.

443023 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1358 of 2075 🔗

I think you genuinely nailed it with your answer – “No greater TRIAL has ever been conducted”
Good work soldier 👏 👏

443377 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Lucan Grey, #1359 of 2075 🔗

There is no evidence yet 1⃣ possible medium- and long-term effects.

443397 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 1, #1360 of 2075 🔗

I should have added “hence caution is justified”. And “1” should be “on”. (The site is very slow tonight and I wasn’t able to edit in time.)

443102 ▶▶ DThom, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #1361 of 2075 🔗

There was a Good draft letter posted yesterday by LS99
It was for someone in your situation. You will have to scroll down quite a way but worth it!

443153 ▶▶ Yorkie lass, replying to JamesDrebin, 1, #1362 of 2075 🔗

The daily expose is keeping a tab on all the reported adverse effects including how many deaths reported to the yellow card scheme. Might be a starting point

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/02/27/adverse-reaction-rate-to-covid-vaccines-increases-to-1-in-200/

442798 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 16, #1363 of 2075 🔗

Have you noticed the Newspeak greeting is now ”Had the jab yet?”

442818 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 7, #1364 of 2075 🔗

It will end up like the finale of “Invasion of the body snatchers” (1978) with us all flying under the radar in amongst the pod people

442800 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 11, #1365 of 2075 🔗

Are the scientists having a bit of fun with slack jawed Hancock, he’s looking for a Brazilian in 379 houses in SE England now, and it all sounds a very iffy

442861 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1366 of 2075 🔗

If only this whole thing was like telling the new boy to go out for a long stand – something for everyone to laugh at when he realised he was being had.

442891 ▶▶ iansn, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1367 of 2075 🔗

you can bet if/when the ‘culprit’ is fond there will be pics or personal info divulged ‘by accident’.

442803 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 38, #1368 of 2075 🔗

I just had my call from the NHS about the ‘vaccine’.

NHS ‘When are you planning to have the vaccine or have you already had it’.

‘Neither of the above’.

NHS ‘Can I ask why?’

‘Yes’. I am not an anti-vaxxer and I have already had the ‘flu and shingles vaccines recently. However I have concerns about the safety of the covid vaccine. Do you want to hear them?’

NHS ‘Yes please’.

‘I am concerned that this is an experimental vaccine which is only in Stage 3 testing and has not undergone animal trials. I am also concerned that mRNA vaccines can leave the organism exposed to future harm when challenged by a real coronavirus. Animal studies on similar vaccines have shown that this can lead to death.

NHS ‘Thank you, should you change your mind ……..’

442817 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basileus, 11, #1369 of 2075 🔗

An excellent response. More than enough to have you sectioned when that time comes.

442826 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Basileus, 8, #1370 of 2075 🔗

Wrong bloody language – again – used by the NHS of “WHEN are you planning to have it?” and not “ARE you planning to have it?”. Grrr…and can I go and kill whoever made that policy decision to choose “fait accompli/of course you will” language on us all? Please….pretty please….I’d damn well enjoy it by now…

442919 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ElizaP, 6, #1371 of 2075 🔗

It’s called ‘assuming the sale’. Standard patter for salesmen. Another one is called the ‘false choice’, eg, ‘would sir like the Pfizer or the Oxford?’

443368 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cranmer, #1372 of 2075 🔗

And the old trick question “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

442859 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Basileus, 5, #1373 of 2075 🔗

Good on you. My retort to ‘can I ask why?’ would be ‘no’.

442921 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1374 of 2075 🔗

My reply would be ‘I don’t know. Can you?’

442979 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #1375 of 2075 🔗

The classic hollywood line, when someone says, can I ask? Reply, yes you can! As you walk away (or put the phone down).

442862 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 12, #1376 of 2075 🔗

Just had a work call where someone felt it OK to discuss when people are getting their vaccine. Literally went around the group and asked “what about you, when do you line up?”

These people are asleep. They’ve no idea that scepticism to all of this stuff is out there. They assume it was all bad, government got the vaccine, now its holidays again. Idiots.

442872 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basileus, 8, #1377 of 2075 🔗

Just say your allergic to vaccines. If they ask why it doesn’t say so on your records, say you’re not at liberty to discuss your health because it’s discriminatory.

442912 ▶▶▶ GrannySlayer (non-GMO), replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1378 of 2075 🔗

Just tell ’em the truth and they can suck my arse if they don’t like it.

442986 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to GrannySlayer (non-GMO), 1, #1379 of 2075 🔗

But I like using their own rules against them, besides I might not know where your arse is when they ask.

442889 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basileus, 2, #1380 of 2075 🔗

Did they work for “The NHS” ie some wanky company like serco or talk talk or some kind of virtual call centre set up by the daughter of some Tory dick-wad or did they work for your local surgery?

442914 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Basileus, 6, #1381 of 2075 🔗

Well I have had the letter, but not any follow up. That might be because my home phone rejects all calls from unknown numbers (and surgeries only ever give out the main phone line number which they only use for incoming calls), and I have never given them a mobile number so they can’t text me. But I have thought about my response and I think a suitable answer to ‘why’ you don’t want it would be “Because I am too unwell, and as I haven’t been able to see a doctor for nearly a year and a half now, I don’t know what is wrong with me and I don’t want to risk making myself even worse by being vaccinated”

It’s a sort of shaming strategy that is well deserved.

442804 Ozzie, 37, #1382 of 2075 🔗

Just spotted this comment in the DT:

A) Message from the government: act like you are not vaccinated. If you are vaccinated you can pass the virus, wear a mask, social distance etc

B) Covid vaccine passports are done to allow free-covid holidays and they will stop the transmission of the virus from tourists

One of the 2 is a blatant lie, I cannot understand how possible this is not debated in the media. They really think we are so stupid, don’t they?

442812 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 11, #1383 of 2075 🔗

Just had another gig I was going to pushed back from April to March 2022, that will be interesting when the time comes as I won’t have a valid ‘pissport’.

442822 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to stefarm, 7, #1384 of 2075 🔗

That is one heck of a way into the future – 11 months! on top of what we’ve had imposed on us so far. Sympathies there – and we’ll all keep our fingers crossed that Apartheid hasn’t been introduced into our country by then (ie Vax Apartheid). As a believer in reincarnation – I am livid and thinking “If I’d wanted to find out what apartheid was like – then I’d have been born in South Africa. Hope to gawd they don’t pull that stunt in Britain”.

442828 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to ElizaP, 6, #1385 of 2075 🔗

I’ve got other gigs all pushed into next year and are mentally preparing myself to not go to any of them a. I’m not prepared to have the gene therapy b. Most of the venues will be shutdown

442839 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to stefarm, 6, #1386 of 2075 🔗

What makes you think bits of paper confirming your jab won’t be acquirable?

442843 ▶▶ leggy, replying to stefarm, 3, #1387 of 2075 🔗

I’ve got tickets for gigs in July and September aswell as a festival in August, but I’m not optimistic.

442858 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to leggy, 3, #1388 of 2075 🔗

It sucks you just can’t plan for anything now.

442813 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 8, #1389 of 2075 🔗

For those that need more information on schools opening, tests and masks.

 Both tests and masks are voluntary.

The following links provide draft letters to schools and supporting evidence:

Stopping masks and face-covering in schools – letter
The letter is also a formal and detailed ‘letter before action’ of the sort solicitors would send before start Court proceedings. Using the letter does not oblige you to take any further action. However, if schools and authorities do not respond as demanded, it may allow proceeding to be started quickly. This is important since mask policies are being introduced quickly.

https://laworfiction.com/2021/02/stopping-masks-and-face-covering-in-schools/

letter-to-schools-regarding-coronavirus-protocols

Open Letter Re: Current Face Covering Mandates for Children and Adults
https://uploads-ssl.webflow.com/5fa5866942937a4d73918723/602e6afd2d5e00dbe4cfd228_UKMFA_Open_Letter_Face_Mask_Mandates.pdf


Guidance: What parents need to know about early years providers, schools and colleges during COVID-19 (Updated 24 February 2021)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-parents-and-carers-need-to-know-about-early-years-providers-schools-and-colleges-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak/what-parents-need-to-know-about-early-years-providers-schools-and-colleges-during-covid-19

442929 ▶▶ MrWilliam, replying to Victoria, 5, #1391 of 2075 🔗

Really helpful, many thanks. I have already got my son’s Sixth Form College to back down from “Students need to have a negative test before they can return to the classroom” to “ The Covid-19 testing at the college is not mandatory and students can return to face to face teaching on Thursday 11 th March whether they have had a negative test or not” with just one email today.

442992 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Victoria, 2, #1392 of 2075 🔗

Thanks Victoria for all the links and info.

442847 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1394 of 2075 🔗

How come this wont come out in MSM???

442866 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janette, 11, #1395 of 2075 🔗

I think you probably know why, no negative reporting about vaccines will be tolerated in Fascist Britain.

443000 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Janette, 4, #1396 of 2075 🔗

Find out who owns the MSM and look at the common factor in it all.

442857 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1397 of 2075 🔗

What’s happening is Israel will not be reported here at all. A political party setup to fight the passport and ankle bracelets are being harrrased. The doctor who fronts it apparently has had his devices taken from him and been he’s struck off. They are banned from any media.

442865 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1398 of 2075 🔗

I really don’t understand what the Israeli authorities are up to.

442892 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1399 of 2075 🔗

The same kind of anti-human evil shit they usually get up to.

443021 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1400 of 2075 🔗

Correct.

443048 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1401 of 2075 🔗

I just checked out ‘ The Jewish Chronicle’. Not being reported there either.

442832 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 17, #1403 of 2075 🔗

Has there been any discussion on here or elsewhere about the possibility of charges being made for vaccine boosters which look inevitable. I haven’t seen anything but, given that those wishing to travel now have to pay for tests and, in some circumstances, prison accommodation, it’s seems likely to me that there will be a similar gravy train for vaccine boosters / upgrades / passports etc etc. Once people have the first “free” shots they may not be aware that they are trapping themselves into ongoing and, possibly substantial, future payments (and everything else obviously).

442841 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to godowneasy, 13, #1404 of 2075 🔗

Our sustainable planet says that only the rich will be able to afford to travel soon.

442864 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1405 of 2075 🔗

Them and the few workers that absolutely must be on site at foreign projects will be the only international travelers in a few years.

442900 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 8, #1406 of 2075 🔗

That was always part of the plan. Covid-19 was weaponised to suit the green agenda early on.

442881 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 8, #1407 of 2075 🔗

Great point, not only will they not be allowed to travel, they will have to pay to keep up to date with their vaccination schedule in order to be able to do anything. Let them have it, I’ll be long gone before this nightmare manifests.

443093 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Richard O, #1408 of 2075 🔗

I’m 52 and so will I

442910 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1409 of 2075 🔗

Good point, I’d never even considered that possibility. Little old naive me!

442973 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1410 of 2075 🔗

definitely think that the sheep will be charged in the future after the first dose of poison has been administered, then it’ll be a $$$$$ gravy train for the pharma cartel!

442860 Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 8, #1411 of 2075 🔗

Sweden getting stick again on MailOnLine with a ‘third wave’ predicted. Every time their figures have even the slightest uptick the MSM are all over it like a rash.

442888 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 12, #1412 of 2075 🔗

The shamelessness of the constant lying about Sweden is just staggering.

442896 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1413 of 2075 🔗

I think that somebody posted yesterday saying that any increase in ‘infections’ is due to increased testing, but I don’t have the figures. But yes, it is totally shameless and frankly deeply depressing.

442998 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to isobar, 2, #1414 of 2075 🔗

Sweden is on holiday this and last week, going skiing. As many people this year cannot travel to the Alps, the Swedish resorts are busy.
Or people are staying at home, get bored and something to do is getting a test?

442906 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 2, #1415 of 2075 🔗

Sweden sometimes is held up by progressive leftists in the UK as some sort of utopia. I wonder if that reputation has been damaged now.

443075 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Cranmer, #1416 of 2075 🔗

I doubt it – countries that give their citizens freedoms are not usually supported by the left.

442871 Will, replying to Will, 4, #1417 of 2075 🔗

Quick question for a mathematician/ statistician who fancies a challenge.. my nephew had his shoulder operation cancelled last week because he tested positive. Completely asymptomatic so got a second test which came back negative. Needless to say the hospital said their test is more accurate but what is the statistical likelihood, given the low prevalence of the disease, that the false negative is accurate rather than the initial false positive?

442932 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, 7, #1418 of 2075 🔗

To answer this we really need to know the sensitivity and specificity of the tests (example below). The hospital’s assertion that their test (probably PCR) is more accurate is not really true. The test is probably more SENSITIVE which means it will pick up all TRUE positives but a lot of FALSE positives as well. The other test will be less sensitive but is more likely to only detect cases who are infectious.

Example test with 100% sensitivity and 99% specificity (1% of negatives will be picked up as False Positives)

Current Prevalence is no more than 0.4% (regions will vary)

Consider a random sample of 1000 people tested

True Positives = 0.4% x 1000 = 4
False Positives = 1% x 996 = 9.96

Total Positives = 13.96 of which 4 are TRUE positive

If Positive probability of being TRUE = 4/13.96 = 29% ; So 71% chance of being FALSE

Given no symptoms AND other test result. probability even higher of FALSE.

443022 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #1419 of 2075 🔗

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348713922_Bayes_Lines_Tool_BLT_-A_SQL-script_for_analyzing_diagnostic_test_results_with_an_application_to_SARS-CoV-2-testing

This tool is easy enough to use. Simply helps track the likelihood of a casedemic pretty much. Kevin Mckernan and Co. behind it.

442997 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, #1420 of 2075 🔗

I would say one step is to find out how many cycles each test used.

442878 Mark, replying to Mark, 15, #1421 of 2075 🔗

I assume this has been covered here, but if so I missed it, and it’s a useful case to be able to quote:

Covid regulations accused had right of silence
A person suspected of breaching the coronavirus regulations is not required by law to give the police their name and address, an appeal has ruled. Keith Neale, a 60-year-old homeless man, had his conviction for obstructing a police officer by failing to give his details quashed, by the High Court sitting in Cardiff .”

Interesting that the High Court made this ruling specifically in the teeth of the argument that refusing to imply a duty to give name and address to police rendered the coronapanic regulations unenforceable.

As a High Court ruling this should be precedent binding on all Magistrates in England and Wales.

Also, some interesting numbers:

Almost a third of prosecutions made under the coronavirus regulations have been wrongly brought, leading to hundreds of cases being dropped. The latest figures from the Crown Prosecution Service showed that 359 of 1,252 charges last year were either withdrawn or quashed in court. All 232 prosecutions brought under the Coronavirus Act 2020 were flawed, and a further 127 wrongful charges were brought under the Health Protection Regulations .”

442895 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 8, #1422 of 2075 🔗

I’ve been asking/asserting this from day one, a fundamental legal right is the right to silence, you only have to provide your details if suspected of an offence, therefore the offence can not be your right not to give your details! If you understand what i’m saying.

Did you see the chap arrested & strip searched for failure to provide details under corona act?

442902 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1423 of 2075 🔗

What are one’s rights with regards to searching? If I remain silent when questioned by a police officer, can I be searched for papers to establish my identity? From what I can tell from gov.uk they can’t, but who knows what draconian powers have been rushed in since all this began.

442909 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1424 of 2075 🔗

Clearly not, on the basis of this High Court judgment. It makes it clear that the coronapanic regs do not give any right to compel you to give your identity. Therefore, the police cannot search you for this purpose, either.

442913 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1425 of 2075 🔗

I’m not sure about the ins and outs of it but there is something in Common Law regarding trespass (personal trespass) and kidnap which relates to this sort of thing. I read an article or three about it a while ago but didn’t keep the links unfortunately. If anyone’s got the material I’d certainly like to read it again.

DavidC

442955 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DavidC, 1, #1426 of 2075 🔗

I recall reading some time ago you can lawfully use a defence of self-defence (fighting off police) if police use unreasonable force, but it’s a dim & distant memory & probably difficult to prove.

442927 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1427 of 2075 🔗

You only have to provide your details if they have reasonable suspicion. They can only search you for the same reason. They have no power to detain you without a reason, if they detain or arrest you, they have to inform you of your rights… You have a right to silence… That won’t stop them arresting you. If you’re driving you are obliged to provide your details. If they search you they must provide a search report if one is requested.