2021-03-03

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443658 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 30, #1 of 1778 🔗

Not much of this about.
Daily Telegraph

443659 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to karenovirus, 7, #2 of 1778 🔗

You made it to spot today Karen.
I am relegated!!!!
Now to read the REAL news

443682 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 20, #3 of 1778 🔗

Makes a nice change to see interesting content win the race.

444492 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #4 of 1778 🔗

My thoughts exactly.

DavidC

443734 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to karenovirus, 52, #5 of 1778 🔗

Apologies for using this to pin, but as ATL has ignored it. Reiner Fuellmich’s summary of the level of corruption ongoing in Germany and it’s links to the WHO and the pandemic.

https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/tag/panic-paper/?fbclid=IwAR2sINgnUqXhflIaU766z223m4DgFQeQHChmXrEh7NFl7a1Ocw-sK6U5Hcw

443735 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #6 of 1778 🔗

No problem, great article.

443750 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #7 of 1778 🔗

I reckon Genghis would give them a run for top spot in the human rights stakes yes our human rights are as valid today as they were back in his day!

443776 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Richy_m_99, 12, #8 of 1778 🔗

Thanks for posting this. Very important article.

443990 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #9 of 1778 🔗

Keep updating this Richy, if you can. Cheers.

443977 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 6, #10 of 1778 🔗

How did the ATL miss this?

444288 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #11 of 1778 🔗

Selective blindness?

444432 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #12 of 1778 🔗

Don’t know, but it was forwarded to them yesterday.

443660 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 75, #13 of 1778 🔗

In an attempt to make the world a better place America’s new president takes exception to Dr Seuss children’s books and the publisher promptly joins in the virtue signalling. But, in one of life’s many ironies, it seems the deplorables (TM Hillary Clinton) did not understand, and sales shoot through the roof, pushing Dr Seuss books onto the best seller lists.

The Woke seem to be determined to make satire redundant.

443662 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 24, #14 of 1778 🔗

You would have thought they might have remembered what happened when the movie ‘Gone With The Wind’ was criticized last year. It shot to the top of the bestseller lists.

443688 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to karenovirus, 37, #15 of 1778 🔗

Same way the cancel culture tried to destroy Goya foods because the CEO is an open Trump supporter. Everyone ran out and bought craptons of their products. MyPillow as well. All these „woke“ companies dropped Mike Lindell‘s products. So many people went to the website and ordered pillows that they’re running extra shifts and are still 2 weeks behind in shipping!!

443907 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Elisabeth, 4, #16 of 1778 🔗

The leverage for outcomes will be attractive to those who are set in outcomes without regard for the principle of the means to achieve them.

In some ways this is also a bandwagon effect.

People align with where the money, leverage, career prospect, power and privileges, and perceived social virtue or credit – from a fear of sense of lack that is without principle or willing to abandon principled honesty, to compensate for – but not truly address and solve – the lack.

Setting the meme of false or negative principles such as the selective worship of grievance, guilt and vengeance by assigning hate targets as ‘social virtue signalling’ can be initiated by funded and supported agents, in the intent to generate a bandwagon effect of its own social momentum.

Imprinting the meme as a leverage for ‘social virtue’ and its corresponding shadow of social exclusion, can be a protection of core narratives from questioning, or the intent to target key elements of the social fabric so as to breakdown social order for ‘regime change’ of ever increasing disorder into increasing controls.

443771 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 22, #17 of 1778 🔗

Another example of “go woke, go broke”:

Ben & Jerry’s – 2 for £6 at Waitrose

444488 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #18 of 1778 🔗

Still won’t buy any.

443745 ▶▶ John David, replying to Steve Hayes, 37, #19 of 1778 🔗

I found this. A picture is worth more than many words 😉

443911 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #20 of 1778 🔗

Dr Seuss books are the best!!

444156 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #21 of 1778 🔗

You have to wonder, sometimes. Let’s not forget that the writer in question was an explicit lefty who pushed his lefty ideas through his work. His attitudes laid the the groundwork for the modern more extreme versions of him, who push cancel culture and antiracist ideology, and are behind this disapproval of his work.

Much like early identity lobbyists worked to create taboos around “racism”, “sexism”, “homophobia” etc, and some of them or their acolytes later fell foul of still more extreme versions of their ideologies – former feminists being cancelled for “transphobia”, or antiracist bigots like Livingstone and Corbyn being attacked as “antisemites”.

In this case, though, the modern extreme leftists in the establishment have managed to promote their predecessor lefty extremist’s posthumous sales by criticising him for insufficiently conforming to modern dogma!

444209 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Hayes, 20, #22 of 1778 🔗

The woke don’t do humour.
The definition of wokeness is basically ‘no humour allowed’.

444395 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to JayBee, 11, #23 of 1778 🔗

By banning all humor, Wokism is much like any other fundamentalist creed.

444433 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #24 of 1778 🔗

Dr.Seuss was an anti-racist liberal, which is even more ironic, except it’s exactly why the woke Left want his books and others like it cancelled. They are actively promoting racism, specifically anti-white racism. Divide and rule.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tpcW3clYs2w
Tucker: The memory of Dr. Seuss matters more than ever

443663 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #25 of 1778 🔗

Woke Gobbledegook

A pandemic of insanity has griped the planet Banned Dr. Seuss Books Already Selling For Hundreds Of Dollars On Ebay no need to ask which direction it hangs, Comrades!

443665 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 20, #26 of 1778 🔗
443988 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #27 of 1778 🔗

Maybe its the wrong sort of homosexuality? Oh dear the woke are going to have to heap some spin on this, or just ignore it and deny it. Fake news!!!

444177 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #28 of 1778 🔗

My point was it’s not going to sit well with those socialists so infatuated with communist china. As you, they’ll pretend it didn’t happen, they’re good at hypocrisy.

444202 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Anti_socialist, #29 of 1778 🔗

Lack of love can be considered a mental disorder – for the mind can dissociate to spin it it own ‘identity’ rather than extend and share love in the heart.

But the dissociating mind uses the term ‘mental disorder’ as a weapon of war, in which ‘corrections’ are punishment or penalty of exclusions or lockdown such as to force loveless compliance.

The weaponisation of homosexuality as identity politics, shares the characteristic of raising a self or group identity, above love’s identification, on the basis of justified grievance. While grievances are not truly addressed or healed by denial, nor are they addressed or healed as a claim to power set in vengeance.

All identity politicking suffers not from securing the right of human being, for those who are oriented differently, but from its use this as a proxy for social and political levering of change.

Where fear and hate seek targets to attack as a way of ‘dumping’ their own issues onto others, there are also those who feed and cultivate the grievance and self-specialness to operate as a proxy for their own agenda, such as ‘colour revolution’.

Because the issues are really about fear, hate, guilt and masking, the correction is really a matter of reestablishing the conditions for the recognition and extension of love. The word love has been abused to associate with ‘socially correct’ speech and behaviours and virtue signalling. But this is a masking parody over fear of hatred within – that seeks a target ‘outside’ and is readily herded into whatever new normal for hate is proscribed.

The issues around repackaged toxic fears and conflicts are extremely complex and do not readily resolve to generalised judgements for narratives of opinionating identity. The undoing or healing of fear will not be the result of social, psychological or biotechnological ‘engineering’ or imposition.
Outside-in or top-down approaches operate a world in which:

“Everything is BACKWARDS; everything is upside down! Doctors destroy health, Lawyers destroy justice, Universities destroy knowledge, Governments destroy freedom, Major media destroys information, And religions destroy spirituality”.(Michael Ellner).

The lust for power corrupts human relationships – on all levels of communication and exchange. For the hit of the experience generates a false sense of private fulfilment that then protects its sense of possession and control. Such ‘relationships’ are ways to each get their own fantasy fulfilment on the body of another in the exact same pattern of distancing, lockdown and masking identity as social virtue.
Humankind is suffering from a mental disorder in its collectivisation of ‘privatised minds’ as identity or narrative control. Its denial of love is its replacement and substitution of compensatory identity, that becomes ‘normal’ by being acted from, and finding social reinforcement with, on the basis of shared fear, hate and grievance.

For the full post, continue at:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/03/lack-of-love-can-be-considered-mental.html

444456 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Binra, 4, #30 of 1778 🔗

I don’t think we want to go down that rabbit hole my views on sexuality I’m afraid are controversially conservative, not fitting with postmodernist progressive thinking. Sex isn’t love, it has a biological function. I’m afraid i’ve no idea what your reply is about.

444501 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #31 of 1778 🔗

You have no idea what I have shared, and you do not want to look at this issue in terms of love or lack of love, or denial of love.
Thankyou for your honesty.

I have no truck with ‘post-truth’ or post-love’ thinking.
You may accept that you are no more than biological function.
That is also an expression of your freedom, which determines the rules under which you think.

Binary thinking is locked into what it is set against, as if a positive identity by contrast. Polarised breakdown of mind and society is lack of love.
Hardly anything I wrote was specific to homosexuality, but if you are fixated in what you are against you will have held it in mind – but at arms length while attempting to read – or deciding not to even risk it.
Fear will see its own shadow threat in everyone and everything. This is to say it does not see. This is no less true of the virus or any other narrative taboo.

I have nothing against biological functions – but my sense of the Living Biome is not rooted in reductionist and dissociated thinking.

“It may shock you to know that all the world’s bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation, manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and re-combinations for three billion years! Any bacterium—at any time—has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA re-combinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis. In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely. Life forms are ever changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships. In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life eternal.” (The Keys of Jeshua – Glenda Green)

444537 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Binra, 3, #32 of 1778 🔗

I know what love is – forest gump.

I love my dog (probably more than my wife) I don’t have sex with him!

Remember you asked for this!

What limits would you impose on love? Who shouldn’t we have sex love with?

444989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Anti_socialist, #33 of 1778 🔗

You are confusing sex with love – not me.
I am holding love as the context for communication.
Some mistake pleasure for love.
They do not know what love is.
Be clear as to whether you are talking of love or sex.
Limits on love are the expression of fear of love – as a result of similar confusions to yours.
Conditional love is permission to love (openly and directly extend and share relationship) when your conditions are met.
Your wife may be more demanding than your dog of conditions to be met.
I am not interested in your sexual activities, as the determiner of who you are or are not. I meet you as you reveal yourself in word and deed.
The fundamental basis of communication and relationship is love. But as I said communication and relationships can be used to GET from by a sense of lack that must seek outside itself.
Love is the extension of wholeness of being.
Sex is a polarising differentiation of energy and exchange at all levels of our being – not just genitals.
When sex is transparent to our being, we hardly notice it.
But as I indicated – if we try to make sex and answer to conflicted sense of self – we make it the arena of our conflicts.
The repackaging of conflict to diversionary solutions leads to entanglement in such invested self-illusions.

The complex of identity fragmentation and entanglement is the ‘world we suffer real’. But That which identifies you truly, blesses and releases you from such a ‘world’ to the degree you are willing to receive and share freedom to be.
I did not say freedom to do. If you honour your relationships as your self you will not abuse either.
I do not see different kinds of love.
Or love as something you ‘do’.
As you are truly moved, be, and live the gift by sharing it.
How can you know you are truly moved?
There’s the crux of self-honesty on which all else depends.
In a world that learned to mask in infancy against a loveless and conflicted experience. You could call it a mental disorder, by which to learn adapt and survive our ‘world’. Some become more identified in mask as their self. How open you are to recognise others in love, is an indication of self-judgemental terms and conditions.
That you are free to evaluate and release or strengthen in yourself.
I urge self-responsibility as the basis for establishing cultural values that are lived and not merely masked in.

444616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Binra, #34 of 1778 🔗

I thought you’d go quiet after that.

444497 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #35 of 1778 🔗

There’s not much that’s a blow to the woke Left.
They’re already ignoring the alleged slavery in Libya and and in China,not to mention China’s ongoing efforts to wipe out the Uighurs.
A bit of anti-LGBT policy won’t bother them. They’ll ignore anything inconvenient.

444571 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #36 of 1778 🔗

Not unprecedented. In the 1930s, homosexuality was sometimes termed a “fascist perversion” (Night of the Long Knives etc.). After Ernst Roehm and others were killed in 1934, the then underground Communist Party of Germany rushed out a leaflet calling it “the end of the road for the Nancy Boy government”.
There was also a British left-wing chant in the late 1930s – “Hitler and Mosley, what are they for? Thuggery, buggery, hunger and war!”

444586 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Waldorf, #37 of 1778 🔗

I still learn some new every day

I want to hum your last quote to

‘War! What is it good for ?
. . . Absolutely nothin’.

Can’t remember the title.

444619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 1, #38 of 1778 🔗

I read a lot.
Left-wing attitudes to homosexuality were not necessarily favourable in the 1930s and 1940s. A Tsarist-era law criminalising homosexuality was removed when the Soviet government took over, and the Soviet Russian law code made homosexuality between adults legal in 1922, but it was recriminalised in 1933 and often explicitly linked to fascism.
The 1945 Italian film Rome Open City, whose heroes are a Communist militant and a Catholic priest who helps him, implies that the main villains, the German SS chief Bergmann and Ingrid, his assistant, are homosexual.

444627 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 1, #39 of 1778 🔗
443664 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 22, #40 of 1778 🔗

Furlough extended to Oct – lockdown forever!

443669 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheClone, 16, #41 of 1778 🔗

Based on this statement from professor pantsdown thinly disguised as Daily Mail commenter ‘TheKindMan’.

443670 ▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to karenovirus, 24, #42 of 1778 🔗

What a bell end. 🤦‍♂️

443673 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dobba, 12, #43 of 1778 🔗

Other DM commenters seem to
agree with you 64-2.

443675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to karenovirus, 39, #44 of 1778 🔗

I’ve never been a Daily Mail reader but I’ve come to love the comments of late. The people seem more based in reality than any Guardian reader. Mind blown.

443677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dobba, 8, #45 of 1778 🔗

Telegraph YouTube viewers are not allowed to comment but they make their views plain about Hancock’s efforts yesterday.
(Picture enhanced to reduce early morning alarms).

443773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dobba, 9, #46 of 1778 🔗

Daily Mail readers seem to be more sane and clued in than Guardian readers.

443708 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Dobba, 9, #47 of 1778 🔗

Surely he’s just trolling?

443709 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to sophie123, 6, #48 of 1778 🔗

I think a lot of DM comments like this are posted to take the piss or to generate as many down votes as possible.

443678 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 40, #49 of 1778 🔗

What a moron, that is the exact opposite of how viruses evolve, there’s a simple principle of evolution for pathogens, becoming more dangerous is an evolutionary dead end, killing your host is suicide.

Viruses evolve to become more contagious but less virulent, the more deadly strains simply kill themselves off before they can pass to another host. I have to reiterate most people that Succumb to Covid-19 die of old age or losers in a genetic lottery, cold but true, it’s a fact!

443679 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #50 of 1778 🔗

Not all viruses readily mutate.

443680 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, #51 of 1778 🔗

Shhh, it’s a secret 🤫

443681 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #52 of 1778 🔗

Ebola at one end of the scale which is certainly deadly but is rubbish as a virus, the common cold at the other.

444214 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 3, #53 of 1778 🔗

Read Jon Rapport’s latest on ebola – if you are willing.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/03/02/ebola-the-new-fake-outbreak/

444946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Binra, #54 of 1778 🔗

Pass thanks Binra 🤮

443710 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to karenovirus, 65, #55 of 1778 🔗

He’s absolutely right. Studies have shown beyond doubt that rabies evolved from what was originally no more than a slight sniffle. If the world’s entire animal population had only been locked down in perpetuity when the first bat started foaming at the mouth (and no, I’m not talking about Devi Sridhar), we wouldn’t have the appalling situation now where beloved pets need biometric passports and quarantine just to enter the country.

There are lessons to be learned from this. It may seem draconian and disproportionate, for instance, to suggest that the RAF should be on round the clock duty preventing migrating birds from entering the country because of the risk posed by possible lethal new rabies-like variants of avian flu. But do we want to be looking back one day and sighing, “If only…”?

ANY virus, including the millions currently in circulation that cause no symptoms or illness whatsoever, can theoretically mutate in an instant into a 100% lethal, aerosol-transmissible mass killer. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about: I’m a random member of the public writing comments on the internet, not some self-styled “expert” with so-called “knowledge”.

Zero covid is not enough! We need a zero virus strategy! Nothing else matters!

443716 ▶▶▶▶ hail, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #56 of 1778 🔗

Great comment, tweeted in part here (edited for character limit):

https://twitter.com/Hail__To_You/status/1366996203125100544

443723 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 17, #57 of 1778 🔗

If it saves just one bird.

443944 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to karenovirus, 3, #58 of 1778 🔗

Hahaha!

443942 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #59 of 1778 🔗

Brilliant.

445351 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #60 of 1778 🔗

so funny thank you

443781 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to karenovirus, 2, #61 of 1778 🔗

He’s obviously trolling.

445130 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to karenovirus, 2, #62 of 1778 🔗

That reads like an excellent spoof to me.

443674 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TheClone, 2, #63 of 1778 🔗

STOP it!

443671 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #65 of 1778 🔗

At least he is getting a post mortem.

443788 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to karenovirus, 3, #66 of 1778 🔗

They will blame the Rona not the experimental drug.

443786 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #67 of 1778 🔗

It would be interesting to learn what they find out.

443672 Anti_socialist, 14, #68 of 1778 🔗

One small step for sceptics New York Legislature Reaches Deal To Repeal Cuomo’s Powers a giant leap to go for zealots.

“These temporary emergency powers were granted as New York was devastated by a virus we knew nothing about,”

443676 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 29, #69 of 1778 🔗

From ATL

‘I am in an abusive relationship with the government’.

From an original idea by LS reader ConstantBees sometime last year.

443685 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 44, #70 of 1778 🔗

BTL is the place to be.

Nothing has changed for a year. People here have been clear eyed about what’s going on. We have been proven right again and again.

It’s nice when people catch up with us but I wish they’d hurry up.

444029 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Ed Phillips, 12, #71 of 1778 🔗

But sadly over the past few months we are being branded as tin foil hat wearing nutters. How did this happen. How can anybody condone lockdown? How can anybody say its right when the vast majority absolutely ignore it when we got nice weather at the weekend? Especially as that twat jvc said do not go out!!! Following the data my arse!! All the Morlocks believe lockdowns work but can simply ignore data from countries fully open! This is like demanding the lottery prize even though you only have two numbers.

444283 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #72 of 1778 🔗

Morlocks predate upon those they capture the minds of to herd for their own use. Mind-capture uses language as a weapon instead of as communication and relationship . So I do not choose that, or propagate it as currency of exchange.
Pejoratives, put-downs, insults etc are all forms of attack on person.
Because you join in it, you suffer it!
As ye judge so shall ye be judged is a just statement.

The device is clear. Dissent or questioning of a heavily funded and enforced narrative dictate is being walled out.
I suggest focusing clearly on the devices and look to why, where and how they work. They need my and our consent!
Thanks – but no thanks!

We are being offered an altogether different ‘education’ than is officially supplied (or officially shunted online). But only from the willingness to learn.
If we love life and freedom, we need learn how it is we give it away or trade it for reactive identity in the baiting of deceits that of course target our profile which is hardly hidden in the era of personal confidences into privately managed Internet. We ‘play’ in their systems that sell, pharm, breed or eat us to their profit or gain.

444342 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #73 of 1778 🔗

We’ve always been branded as tinfoil hat-wearing nutters!

443951 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 8, #74 of 1778 🔗

Yer old news we have been in a abusive relationship with our evil “government of occupation” for almost a whole year now and we said this was the case AGES ago, linking the CPS’s own definitions of domestic abuse to back up our wild claims…

Do catch up LDS editorial people, way behind the curve, lame, could do better..

443683 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #75 of 1778 🔗

Gates opened his wallet again Brazil Covid-19 variant may reinfect up to 61% of those who recover from virus – study of course the source isn’t referenced, convenient.

Up to 61 percent of people who previously had Covid-19 could be reinfected with the highly contagious Brazilian ‘P1’ variant, a new study has found. Scientists say it’s too early to know if it’s harder for vaccines to tackle.

443689 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 43, #76 of 1778 🔗

It’s worth repeating that we are supposed to worry about three mutant variants thus far.
Kent (England to the world)
South Africa
Brazil

Oxford AZ tested their vaccine in

England
South Africa
Brazil

443838 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to karenovirus, 7, #77 of 1778 🔗

Yes karen and those trials only involved thoudands of people. Currently the trials are being extended to millions of people in England, so should one expct thousands more sub variants of the kent strain . And if the mRNA vaccines are working in the same way as the AZ vaccines why did those not give rise to variants .

444039 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to mikewaite, 5, #78 of 1778 🔗

As the article ATL says where is the Swedish variant? Where is the Florida variant? The do have a bad variant in the USA, who would like to guess where they are finding it? Yes good old California!!

444341 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to karenovirus, 4, #79 of 1778 🔗

I would add that the bio-warfare sub-narrative runs to support Fear of Deadly Contagion. The testing (sic), is the ‘finding’ of fragments of code that are said to be unique to the ‘viruses’ that are themselves re-assembled from fragments of code using computer modelling to ‘put Humpty together again’ – except there is no Humpty – only short code fragments that are non-specific to any actual isolated particle or entity that can be determined to be one thing – or variants of one thing – such as a horse and various breeds of horse.

Look to clinical symptoms, not test based cases (sic), and then ask what are all the know causes of such symptoms – not excluding medications and injected substances, toxic exposures and nutritional deficiencies that include the result of concurrent or chronic conditions.

Mankind is being led by the Pied Piper into a virtual nightmare, in which imagined and modelled fears, projections – and manipulations of such fears have replaced relational honesty and empirical science.

Truth is not at all affected by lies or protected self-illusion, but our awareness of truth can be masked over, distanced and locked away, for an illusion of power, love, freedom, etc. The momentary power of a fantasy gan give a hit – that decreases with being hit again and again to reveal a grotesque and hollow parody of life – filled with self-hatred and disgust. “So don’t look there, but hate what fear dictates and take the illusion of safety for the power than keeps the LID on, by externalising the hate to psycho-pathogens and by extension to those that take on the same evil threat by not joining the ‘war’ against it.

But there is this; that to look directly within and see the hate is to know it is not who you are. The difference between releasing fear and hate to healing, and casting it OUT as IF to get rid of it is the difference between Soul or Heart connected being, and a virtual dream of private or personal escape or overcoming, that always turns to nightmare. We don’t escape fear by running away, but drag it with us no matter how cleverly we contrive to escape it or ‘eradicate it’.

444469 ▶▶▶ watersider, replying to karenovirus, 2, #80 of 1778 🔗

But but but Karenovirus that’s Wacist!

Remember we are not allowed to refer to the big one as Chinese Wuhan Flu, so The Men of Kent (or is it The Kent Men?) the South Africans and the Brazilians will get upset. So shame on you you Wacist.

444966 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to watersider, #81 of 1778 🔗

😳

443684 Annie, replying to Annie, 42, #82 of 1778 🔗

Nice to read something encouraging about Texas
Before breakfas.
Maybe there’ll be good news about Mississippi
Tonight, before I go down to the chippi.

443698 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Annie, 3, #83 of 1778 🔗

I thought I just read they did open Mississippi

443701 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Elisabeth, 10, #84 of 1778 🔗

That may be true
But it won’t do.
It ruins the time
For my rhyme.

443702 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Annie, 2, #85 of 1778 🔗

I feel so talentless 😜

443718 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Elisabeth, #86 of 1778 🔗

Take lessons from me.
(It isn’t for free.)

443726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Annie, 3, #87 of 1778 🔗

Annie is a poet, and she knows it,
she can make a rhyme, in no time

443743 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Skippy, 8, #88 of 1778 🔗

Careful!, don’t you know that rhyming spreads the virus!!

443762 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Skippy, 2, #89 of 1778 🔗

With Annie’s rhymes
I can forget the times
we live in.
Abuse and fear,
Nothing held dear
the times we live in.

443747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Annie, #90 of 1778 🔗

Poeting is cheaper than furloughing

443756 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Annie, 12, #91 of 1778 🔗

If it’s poetry we’re proffering,
Here’s last night’s offering.

Just imagine a Texan’s new joy,
Now that sanity has been employed,
They’ve got rid of the rules,
Which are evil and cruel,
They can now let their hair down and enjoy.

To extend the furlough ‘til this time,
Tells us they’ll be no end to this crime,
Sunak will reveal,
His appalling new deal,
With his plans life will only decline.

443768 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Annie, 3, #92 of 1778 🔗

But I’d better warn yer
You probably won’t be reading good news any time soon about California

443820 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Annie, 5, #93 of 1778 🔗

one way plane ticket to texas please – oohh wait we’re imprisoned for everymore and can’t get out our city, never mind the country…

443835 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to penelope pitstop, 27, #94 of 1778 🔗

I’ve had an idea…..oooooo actually two ideas…

idea 1: we club together and buy a business in Florida or Texas. Then all travel out there on ‘business’ and don’t come back.

idea 2: we club together buy a bloody plane and the pilots on here can fly us all there privately, no masks etc

444668 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #95 of 1778 🔗

Ha good idea – could join ‘freedom airways’ which prof delores is setting up! We could lease a plane and hotels/resorts in various parts of the world and setup an alternative travel business!

444860 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #96 of 1778 🔗

Fascinating idea. If I can sell my house I’m in. I was looking at countries where you can ‘buy’ citizenship in exchange for inward investment or buying real estate. Some are quite affordable.

444585 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #97 of 1778 🔗

Quite a major breakthrough, I would say. It is a large and important US state.

443686 stephenhoffman, 35, #98 of 1778 🔗

“When the criteria for easing restrictions are themselves part of the restrictions, you know you’re well and truly ensnared in the circles of hell” i.e. Scotland.

443687 Anti_socialist, 14, #99 of 1778 🔗

It’s a woke bumper day Harry Potter video game will allow transgender characters, but unsated critics want ‘reparations’ from ‘transphobic’ JK Rowling

Others like reporter Rebekah Valentine called on Rowling to “make reparations to the trans community” before the game deserved support.

*Sigh*

443690 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 42, #100 of 1778 🔗

Do soldiers have (deserve) human rights A THIRD of all military personnel are refusing to receive the COVID-19 vaccine with alarmed commanders aiming to make the shot mandatory ‘as soon as possible’

In 1997, the military made it mandatory for service personnel to receive the anthrax shot; thousands subsequently complained of debilitating side effects

A lengthy legal battle ensued, before the courts determined that the FDA hadn’t ‘adequately studied’ how effective the shot was against the inhalation anthrax

443692 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 56, #101 of 1778 🔗

From the comments section:

“Wow I never quit realized how stupid people on here really are. You obviously are not doctors nor scientists. That is obvious.”

And that’s the thing, the sheep actually believe medics are knowledgable about vaccines, but who teaches the doctors? Big pharma! Anyone else see a problem here?

443714 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Anti_socialist, 80, #102 of 1778 🔗

Also….I actually am a scientist by training. But did I study immunology? No. Only people who study immunology will learn about the intricacies of the immune system.

And most people don’t become doctors because they are good at or even interested in science. They do it because they want to help people, or it’s a solid respected profession, or their parents were doctors. Often they really struggle with it at school and only get into medical school because they work themselves very hard. And as soon as they get into practice they give up on all scientific curiousity together, apart from a few who do research.

I have a lot of doctor friends. They’re nice people. They work hard. They’re only averagely intelligent for the most part. Which is probably fine for what they do on a day to day basis.

So what makes doctors qualified to opine on a vaccine? Not a lot. They just read the same guff that comes in the package insert that we can all access.

443732 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to sophie123, 33, #103 of 1778 🔗

4 years med-school. Only one day training in vaccines, which is nothing more than a glorified sales pitch.

443736 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to sophie123, 18, #104 of 1778 🔗

Or they become doctors because it takes longer to become a vet!

443757 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to sophie123, 39, #105 of 1778 🔗

A perceptive post, from my experience. (And I’m also a scientist by background.)

I’m sure you are correct in stating that most doctors are not especially intelligent. But I think it goes further than that. There’s a massive difference between intelligence and critical thinking.

In my experience, despite reasonable intelligence, doctors are poor at critical thinking. Hence their views on something like the covid vaccine cannot be regarded as especially informed or valuable.

444426 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to TJN, 11, #106 of 1778 🔗

Quite. They are taught NOT to be critical thinkers. They are taught to make a diagnosis and adopt the prescribed plan of action. Rare is the doctor who has doubts and thinks “maybe I should try something different?”

444486 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to sophie123, 4, #107 of 1778 🔗

And they’re also taught to think they are clever and a cut above the rest of us.

443842 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to sophie123, 9, #108 of 1778 🔗

I admit that I once used to think doctors would be highly intelligent – what with doing a job that requires LOADS of study to keep oneself apprised of the facts. The day I realised it wasn’t necessary to have Mensa level intelligence etc etc to be a doctor was the day I idly googled what jobs/careers I was deemed capable of (ie at 130 IQ – which is intelligent I know/think it’s top 5%???) and was surprised to see that doctors was on the list. I don’t think I’m putting myself down unduly to say that I would rate someone wanting to be a doctor as needing/having higher level intelligence than that (ie your top 2%???). At that point it struck me as to why some doctors struck me as “bright – but not as bright as I would have expected”.

443897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to ElizaP, 16, #109 of 1778 🔗

You also don’t need to have mensa level intelligence to be a skeptic. I don’t and I am. ( Sceptic)
Like you I believed that to become a doctor, teacher etc you needed to be intelligent with a high IQ, I’m now convinced all they have is a good memory.

443940 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Just about sane, 7, #110 of 1778 🔗

I certainly knew being a teacher didn’t require high intelligence and that fact got proven by some teacher training students I had as lodgers way back when. The only particularly intelligent teacher I knew of was my father – the rest I came across I rated as average.

444055 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Just about sane, 12, #111 of 1778 🔗

I think the reverence for GPs comes from the days when the doctor was one of the pillars of the community, along with the squire, the solicitor and the vicar. Doctors have become part of our cultural tradition and this has been reflected in hundreds of films, TV series and novels over the years. If your baby has a cough, the doctor is called and soon after arrives with his Gladstone bag, stethoscope, intuitive diagnostic ability and reassuring bedside manner. All is well. If you can’t afford the bill, the doctor nods sympathetically and then goes and introduces a local health insurance scheme or draws from the parish relief fund on your behalf.
They live in big houses and get called by their noble job title too, unlike, say, a plumber.
I was well into adulthood before I began to see them as ordinary, non-specialist practitioners. More recently (but not since last March, obviously), when I accompanied Mrs F. to see our local chap, I was able to observe him looking up the symptoms on the WebMD symptom checker. Oh yes, and a few years previously, his failure to spot what should have been blindingly obvious to a man who’d spent 35 years in the business, nearly cost Mrs. F her life. I like those tweed-jacketed, softly-spoken, pipe-smoking doctors of fiction but, if they exist in reality, I’ve never met one.

444972 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve F, 1, #112 of 1778 🔗

Arrr Jim Lad, Treasure Island.

444435 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to ElizaP, 3, #113 of 1778 🔗

I think with an IQ of 130 you would be very bored as GP. More like 120 and a very good work ethic.

443847 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to sophie123, 21, #114 of 1778 🔗

This makes me feel better. My SIL is a doctor in Florida (of all places) and back last year I fell out with her when she started going on about people dying all over the place, including a quote if you didn’t wear a mask you would “kill whole families”. At that point I deleted the WhatsApp family group from my phone.

She lost all my respect for her, especially as a doctor. Thick as sh*t.

443995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptical Steve, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #115 of 1778 🔗

My brother and his wife (both highly intelligent people – he was a awarded a Double First from Cambridge when First Class Honours degrees were still something to be applauded) moved out of their house in Florida late last year because they became similarly convinced that apocalyptic events there were inevitable. Not living there myself, I can only guess that the press and media must have been in full “wind-up” mode and, presumably, only eased off when Doddery Joe became President.

444291 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Redundant Pilot, 15, #116 of 1778 🔗

The many doctors, surgeons and dentists I know are all of a normal level of intelligence.
They are pretty good at what they are doing, often interested in general politics but never too critical about things/the state in general, only about the health system and that they are underpaid, a presumption driven by their exploitation during their early years in business.
They would never question hierarchy or an authority, they live and believe in it and want to climb within it.
They are very much into trying to make as much money as possible and have a huge inferiority complex here in comparison with their lawyer, banker or
entrepreneurial friends.
They were all average pupils and partying but committed students, who went into medicine for the safe money and above all, family tradition and status, which drives them the most, even more than
money (Lions, Rotary etc.).
None of them would ever question the governments pandemic responses or do independent research on masks or the ‘vaccines’- they only read the official leaflets and regurgitate them.
The main character trait they have is, that they are absolutely full of
themselves- the younger (Millennials) the more so.

443905 ▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to sophie123, 12, #117 of 1778 🔗

I believe one of the criticism of lockdown sceptics is that we ignore germ theory. This is nonsense as we all know germs cause illness but it claims we all suffer equally. Not only common sense but science disproves this and this is why 99% of covid deaths occur in those with really bad health problems. While a vaccine can protect you against a specific germ it won’t improve your health or reduce your risk of death. That can only be done by improving one’s health and that will only occur when government asks itself what makes people ill.

444115 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to sophie123, 11, #118 of 1778 🔗

“Only people who study immunology will learn about the intricacies of the immune system.”

And the reality, as we’ve had thoroughly rubbed in over the past year, is that immunology is a long way from being a completely understood subject. It’s not like, say, areas of engineering in which we have a sufficiently complete knowledge of how everything works to make clear analyses and predictions, and therefore construct devices that work perfectly very time (provided they are constructed correctly).

It’s incompletely understood and therefore assertions made about immunology even by immunologists are often merely hypotheses, in practice. Same for virology.

444438 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Mark, #119 of 1778 🔗

Very true

444159 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to sophie123, 6, #120 of 1778 🔗

Intelligence is overrated, I am actually surprised to see scientists prioritizing it so highly. What is intelligence anyway, formal education is indoctrination, teaching pupils what & how to think. I have little respect for it, when I was at college I was just bored.

I’m incredibly poor at maths an arithmetic dyslexic, yet the few times i’ve done IQ tests I’ve scored well above my ability LOL. Critical thinking & practical skills are more important I think. But at the end of the day what’s most important for any species is having the skills most suited to the environment you find yourself in. The future looks unpleasant for most of us. Medics really just need a good memory to prescribe pharma.

I’m of the belief applied science is mostly harmful to our species survival.

444365 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #121 of 1778 🔗

And if applied science isn’t the threat, those applying it certainly are.

443974 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #122 of 1778 🔗

Probably one of the most important factors in becoming a doctor is conforming and working hard. foregoing all the normal stuff young people do, getting drunk, taking drugs, partying, taking risks, going against “the norms”….

No young doctor students probably live in fear of doing something wrong every day that might jeopardise the career they really want, work really hard for and who have paid a huge fat wedge on getting, with all the expectations of their entire extended family willing them to get that GP’s job….

With most doctors, life-long conformity is baked-in. So is total compliance to brainwashing. Evidently.

444430 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, 5, #123 of 1778 🔗

conforming and working hard

Pretty much sums up society as a whole. Follow the rules do as the system tells you, the stick & the almost unattainable carrot.

I’ve never really played that game, I’m fairly lazy, have no ambition what’s so ever & couldn’t give a toss about rules & conformity. The only people that tell you they work hard are people that don’t work hard. I have no interest whatsoever in material possessions or owning shit.

444913 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #124 of 1778 🔗

Nail on the head!

443711 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #125 of 1778 🔗

In a DM ‘latest comments’ about compulsory vaccines for NHS staff someone said something about
‘Why should they having been forced to take ‘Panorax(sp???) in 20??’.
When I went back to read it again it had disappeared.

444445 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 1, #126 of 1778 🔗

Pandemrix? For swine flu…whenever that was. 2010?

444980 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to sophie123, #127 of 1778 🔗

I don’t know, hence ? ? ?

443829 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #128 of 1778 🔗

i think the military were given a malaria concoction (larium?) back sometime which subsequently gave mental health issues- so they have history of being on the receiving end of dodgy drugs by TPTB

444218 ▶▶▶ houdini, replying to penelope pitstop, 4, #129 of 1778 🔗

There have been a number of claims which have settled successfully and there are others ongoing against the MoD.
It can cause psychosis in some individuals and there is a safer alternative .
namely our friend hydroxychlorine.
Lack of informed consent means most cases will succeed if causation is established.
Of course the military were used as guinea pigs at Portondown for many years .

443691 Annie, replying to Annie, 8, #130 of 1778 🔗

Jemma Moran’s piece ATL is excellent.
By her argument, places that have little or no lockdown should have many more cases (in the true sense, not the lying government sense), but much lower mortality.
Is there any way of verifying this, given the dodginess of the data?

443694 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 7, #131 of 1778 🔗

The data doesn’t matter. They will always be trumped by the mindset that Alison Pearson describes in The Telegraph, roundup item 1.

443693 hail, replying to hail, 8, #132 of 1778 🔗

New US jobs numbers for Feb 2021 to be released in two days, March 5.

The Corona-Recession rolls on, bringing great destruction and unhappiness in its wake, with no net job-gains in almost six months:
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https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2021/02/26/all-life-years-matter-on-the-corona-panics-social-and-economic-costs-vs-covid-deaths-in-life-years-lost-terms/#unemployment

443697 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to hail, 15, #133 of 1778 🔗

Except in no lockdown South Dakota which has the lowest unemployment rate in America.

443699 ▶▶▶ hail, replying to karenovirus, 7, #134 of 1778 🔗

Sweden is also AFAIK doing well with employment.

443703 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to hail, 2, #135 of 1778 🔗

What does AFAIK mean please ?

443705 ▶▶▶▶▶ hail, replying to karenovirus, 4, #136 of 1778 🔗

“As far as I know”

443715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to hail, 5, #137 of 1778 🔗

Thank you, took me ages to work out LOL when new t’interweb.

443802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, 4, #138 of 1778 🔗

Didn’t David Cameron think for ages that it meant “lots of love” 😊 ?

443840 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fiona Walker, #139 of 1778 🔗

Likewise until context made that unlikely but I’m rather older than Cameron 👴

444075 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to karenovirus, 1, #140 of 1778 🔗

I still don’t understand LOL. It seems to mean different things depending on context.
I do understand FFS, however.

444380 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to karenovirus, 1, #141 of 1778 🔗

FFS, Karen! – ROTFLMAO here!

443713 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 12, #142 of 1778 🔗

“Everyone may have a job there but they are also dead!”

No, still don’t understand the mindset of a lockdown zealot.

443717 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 1, #143 of 1778 🔗

They live in places with lots of dead-end jobs.

443730 ▶▶▶▶ hail, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #144 of 1778 🔗

In the final calculation of life-years lost to the Corona Phenomenon (Virus Effects + All Other ‘Response’ Effects + all follow-on effects of both), South Dakota and others (Sweden, for one) will come out very well.

Our Pro-Panic friends are stuck deep in a mental-block whereby they cannot see things in terms of life-years lost, the proper measure. Loss of time to unemployment is a form of lost time and therefore lost life.

I’ve pasted your comments here:

https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2021/02/26/all-life-years-matter-on-the-corona-panics-social-and-economic-costs-vs-covid-deaths-in-life-years-lost-terms/#comment-47534

443739 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to hail, 5, #145 of 1778 🔗

But that was always the plan. Be in no doubt! You can’t Build Back Better until you’ve destroyed first.

444491 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bigade, 3, #146 of 1778 🔗

And the problem is that destroying is easier than building, as the second law of thermodynamics tells us. The destroying might just be followed by more destroying.

444705 ▶▶▶ hail, replying to Bigade, 1, #147 of 1778 🔗

Just saw a news article boasting of big GDP gains in Q1 2021 but saying too bad about all those lost jobs not coming back.

443695 Annie, replying to Annie, 10, #148 of 1778 🔗

Worried about being white? Insufficiently woke? Outraged about the racism of Martin Luther King?

You need JP’s latest video:

https://youtu.be/7LiztqtsIL8

443707 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 26, #149 of 1778 🔗

Is it not strange that Martin Luther King’s call for people to be judged by their actions, not the colour of their skin, should be condemned as racist by people who consider themselves to be liberal and progressive?

443807 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #150 of 1778 🔗

I’ve always found that odd and I agree with whoever said that if Marti Luther King were alive today he would have been cancelled.

444384 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #151 of 1778 🔗

He was, wasn’t he? Cancelled, that is.

444067 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #152 of 1778 🔗

And more importantly white Middle class people spreading their version of what racism is. What’s that spinning noise. Oh ignore that its just MLK. I had a dream …..

443852 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 7, #153 of 1778 🔗

Think we might all be finding out rather more about Martin Luther King and the caste system in India soon. Reason being I know some of us fear our own country might be due to set up an apartheid system soon – ie Vax Apartheid. It’s a seriously wierd thought imo to wonder whether I might find myself on the receiving end of a form of apartheid in my own country – even though I knew about the apartheid in America and South Africa and had read about the caste system in India (with its Untouchables caste). Definitely some mind-blowing going on here in my mind thinking “ME???!!!! They might subject ME to apartheid in my own country! WTF?” Has plans on good long talk with South African friend of mine soon about what it was like to live in her country – even though she wouldnt have been on the receiving end of it personally (knowing she’s very anti it and I can expect a good analysis of it from her).

443696 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 69, #154 of 1778 🔗

Does your job dictate your human rights? NHS staff could be forced to have Covid jab: Radical plan is being considered for thousands of medical staff who turn down the vaccine… but what if they STILL refuse? What they’re saying is your employment takes priority over your humanity, if I recall there’s another word for that, now what is, servant? Serf? No SLAVE! that’s it.

443700 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 36, #155 of 1778 🔗

Would be interesting to see the NHS trying to operate without a third of its staff. On top of the ones already sent to moulder in needless self-isolation.

443706 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 7, #156 of 1778 🔗

Good point, ya think they’ve thought of that? Could be part of the plan.

443810 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 15, #157 of 1778 🔗

That’s when the NHS will really collapse and that’s even before the tsunami of untreated illnesses, mental health issues, effects of domestic violence and substance abuse.

443857 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 18, #158 of 1778 🔗

I have wondered whether this sort of thing would be a rather thick end of the wedge actually – as part of privatising the NHS. After all – what would I do if I were an NHS nurse/doctor? That’s right – I’d head straight for the private sector and say “Would you pull that stunt on me?” and if the answer was the correct one (ie that they wouldn’t) = my bag and baggage would be packed and I’d be off to work in said private sector in the blink of an eye. Cue for en masse desertion of the NHS by a lot of their staff…

443864 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 6, #159 of 1778 🔗

Not to forget the obvious implications for patients as well. That being that any patients that are anti-vax and have the money to go private will head off there pronto for any treatment they require. For two reasons: an even vaster staff/patient ratio difference between the two sectors and also the fact the staff would be much more likely at a personal level to appreciate that we’d also not have had The Jab and less likely to be awkward about treating us. Basically a Perfect Storm then of one hefty swipe taken from two directions converging at once for both staff and patients to head for the private sector and the NHS could be dealt pretty much a death blow.

444383 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ElizaP, 2, #160 of 1778 🔗

Isn’t the private sector more likely to insist you’re jabbed?

444457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #161 of 1778 🔗

If so, then they will be cutting their own throats, but you can’t legislate against stupidity.

444077 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 6, #162 of 1778 🔗

What I Don’t understand is why the nhs unions are not all over this? The teachers union are stopping the return to school on much less evidence? Why are they colluding with this harm??

444458 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #163 of 1778 🔗

The union leadership will have been bought off.

444843 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Rowan, 2, #164 of 1778 🔗

Or they’re simply in agreement.

445142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to LMS2, 2, #165 of 1778 🔗

Either way the result is the same, but union bosses have a long history of corruption.

443755 ▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to Anti_socialist, 26, #166 of 1778 🔗

Quite a proportion are BAME, they most likely to refuse and on racism grounds more likely to bring a claim, so its not gunna happen.

443882 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #167 of 1778 🔗

They should stick by their guns and take the NHS to court if they are being forced.

443972 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #168 of 1778 🔗

Long term sick peeps – don’t go back
mental health can stretch it out for 2 years on the sick

444837 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #169 of 1778 🔗

Good luck with that if a significant number still refuse.
Or if a group sue the NHS.

443720 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #171 of 1778 🔗

Problem, Reaction, ‘Solution’.

444035 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to karenovirus, 9, #172 of 1778 🔗

Cause problem, manipulate reaction, instigate pre planned solution.

444991 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cumbriacracked, #173 of 1778 🔗

Precisely

444130 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #174 of 1778 🔗

Seems strange no, that 160 odd independent countries are all now talking about poison passports. The Elite players playbook anyone? poison boosters are next on the agenda. I hate to think what’s in the playbook for people like us. I know detention and re-education centers.

444207 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Andrew K, 3, #175 of 1778 🔗

Shhh Conspiracies don’t exist here at LS.

444389 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #176 of 1778 🔗

And people still insist it’s just serial incompetence.

444401 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #177 of 1778 🔗

It’s all just one big coincidence….nothing to see here….now move along…

443712 Bigade, replying to Bigade, 116, #178 of 1778 🔗

Furlough to September!! Come on, we know where this is headed now. Time to start telling everyone you know what the scam is. Universal Basic Income headed to the UK. All part of the ”Reset”. Absolutely shocking to see an allegedly conservative government complicit in such an evil plan to force mass employment on huge sections of the population, all as part of a larger social re-engineering scheme. Ugly, ugly stuff!

443719 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Bigade, 51, #179 of 1778 🔗

The utter destruction of the economy so it can be built back better.Millions unemployed as they seek to establish their green utopia.

444353 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #180 of 1778 🔗

And the millions of unemployed and most others will have no place in their built back better world. Hence the vaccines, that aren’t vaccines.

443759 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Bigade, 10, #181 of 1778 🔗

Hiding the true impact of lockdowns.

443793 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Bigade, 27, #182 of 1778 🔗

Furlough will be turned into UBI. HIndoo magic money man and his machine. Churn churn churn. Will tearful eyes and head lowered will tell the Sheep that taxes must double, triple just like the face diaper wearing. Sheep bleat approval and resume eating their dog shit.

443998 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FerdIII, 13, #183 of 1778 🔗

When they start paying people’s UBI in social credits it doesn’t matter does it?

They can pull a few credits out their butts indefinitely to keep the slaves fed on gruel and water. All kinds of “work” can be created for them. Picking up face nappies, managing covid queues, the more able slaves can operate the prisons and detention centres, or “work re-training camps” and if they are really really good they might get lucky and get an actual “job” with G4S or Serco.

445044 ▶▶ Spearthrower Owl, replying to Bigade, 6, #184 of 1778 🔗

I tried to tell my family today. I tried to explain to them about the Fullmich report. They just kept chirruping back “but it says on the news that over 100,000 have died, why do you believe all this stuff you read online?”

443721 MichalP, replying to MichalP, 20, #185 of 1778 🔗

Worth including if not done earlier: “Self-harm claims rise by 333% and overdoses are up 120% among 13 to 18-year-olds: The shocking toll of the pandemic on teenagers’ mental health is revealed”

Based on FAIR Health report in US.

True cost of lockdowns and keeping kids away from schools.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9319401/Self-harm-claims-rise-333-overdoses-120-shocking-toll-pandemic-teenagers.html

443797 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to MichalP, 24, #186 of 1778 🔗

Anxiety, insomnia, we have the same in our household. Can’t play sports, can’t see friends, can’t go to school. Subject to endless fear mongering. Fucking bastards. That is all the CV fascists are. Fucking bastards.

443933 ▶▶▶ MichalP, replying to FerdIII, 6, #187 of 1778 🔗

Sorry to read this. Now I’m in a better position over here in Poland, where rules are relaxed, but I can relate. In the first months of hard lockdown I had similar problems, especially lack of sleep due to being imprisoned after years of being on the road constantly, but thankfully the hard lockdown approach was eased and I’m coping better. Let’s hope this will be the same for all.

443722 Stephen Williams, replying to Stephen Williams, 23, #188 of 1778 🔗

I’ve been doing some modelling and it is 10x more accurate than any of Neil Ferguson’s.

If you packed £5 notes into London double deck buses to the tune of the £300bn the Gov has spent so far, then the queue would be about 14 miles long. It would stretch from Downing Street to Heathrow Airport.

By the end of this fiasco then I reckon the queue will circle London clockwise on the M25.

443727 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to Stephen Williams, 5, #189 of 1778 🔗

Have you worked out how long the queue would be of people trying to nick those £5 notes?!

443724 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #190 of 1778 🔗

Another human rights violation I was cuffed by the Covid stasi… queueing for a coffee: This 51-year-old mother strolled two miles to get some refreshment – but fell foul of the long arm of the law Yet another unlawful arrest!
Scenario.

Question 1 the corona act provides no power of arrest ? If so on what grounds. They can only issue FPNs.

Fact 1. It is not illegal (England) to travel more than 5 miles.
Fact 2. It is not illegal to go outside.
Fact 3. The Health care act, empowers police to detain people if reasonable suspicion they are infected.
Fact 4. You do not have to provide your details to police without reasonable cause.
Fact 5. Police conduct not sanctioned by legislation is unlawful!

Considering the above, if you are out minding your own business and stopped by police & they ask you for your details you are not obliged to provide them unless police give reasons for their suspicion you are breaking the law.

Police: why are you out today

Public: exercise.

Conversation over, say no more, police only ask questions to prove your guilt! You have a right to remain silent, they can not force you to provide details unless driving a vehicle (insurance purposes) or have reasonable suspicion you are acting illegally.

Police; can I have your details?

Public; am I under arrest officer?

Police; No.

Public; Ami being detained officer?

Police; No.

Walk away! If they say yes, ask on what grounds! Say nothing until you get to the police station. Assert you have no comment until you get to the custody suite. If they become physical do not resist! Stay calm, now isn’t the time to fight back.

Theory
If the police stop you, and attempt to force you to provide your details for simply being outdoors do not engage, once you’ve ascertained you aren’t under arrest you have no reason to converse with them, they aren’t looking to make friends. If they touch you its assault. Here’s the theoretical hypothesis, if they do not have power of arrest because you’ve not committed a crime, any physical contact is unlawful, you therefore have a legal right to self-defence, you can take any reasonable action to defend yourself from violence against you, police do not have a right to assault you for no reason! I am confident that is written in law!

Good luck proving it in a magistrates court though LOL. Remember police & magistrates have no respect for law, human rights or you, it’s about CONTROL! Them controlling us.

443744 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Anti_socialist, 40, #191 of 1778 🔗

What I wonder is, how are they getting away with this. Surely this overreach should have resulted in disciplinary action being taken against individual officers.

Yet again, yesterday, my customers (in their 80s) were harassed by police for sitting on a bench. So the excuse by the local council that the benches were there for older people is a load of old tosh. How brave though, two officers picking on an elderly couple in an empty park. Yes, so much easier than having a go at real criminals. The police are beyond disgusting.

443753 ▶▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to kh1485, 36, #192 of 1778 🔗

When I was young, we all thought all coppers were bar stewards but as an adult I realised they seemed OK, did a job, arrested and prosecuted criminals.
Now I’m older and wiser, they’re not only bar stewards again,but cnuts.
I watched the aftermath of the peaceful protests in Trafalgar Square August 2020 in which using weapons they brutally attacked middle aged/older people without care or remorse, I was shocked back to reality. They made themselves the publics enemy.

443858 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to kh1485, 8, #193 of 1778 🔗

Kh have you ever put in a complaint to the independent police complaints commission. Described below on the gov website. You’ve been harassed constantly by the police, and the fact they are harassing your customers is affecting your business and therefore you. They have no legal right to do this. You and your customers are not breaking any laws.

“The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) exists to increase public confidence in the police complaints system in England and Wales. It also investigates serious complaints and allegations of misconduct against the police and handles appeals.”

443908 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #194 of 1778 🔗

I did wonder, but I expect they will all close ranks. I had a set-to with someone at Essex Police a few years ago re. their woeful handling of the burglary of my business, so I am probably on an ‘Awkward Squad’ listing as it is. I don’t see them falling over themselves to help.

I’m just telling anyone who will listen about what they are doing.

443962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to kh1485, 5, #195 of 1778 🔗

Do try. These guys are ‘independent’ and I agree with you that these guys are all the same, but it has to stop and maybe this is a chance to take?

I really wish I was closer to you. I’d be round every day supporting you and your business. We have close friends near Bury St Edmunds, if I ever get to see them (they are fully bought up sheep that haven’t gone out since March last year) I promise I will come and see you too!

444016 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 3, #196 of 1778 🔗

I gather that from Monday two people from separate bubbles will be permitted to have coffee together on a public bench so the rozzers are getting in there while they’ve got the chance.

444155 ▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to kh1485, 5, #197 of 1778 🔗

They’ve been getting away with these things for years. Did anything ever happen to those officers who shot that Brazilian chap on the tube and then lied about it and tried to cover it up? Not that I ever heard in the press.

444313 ▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Stevey, 5, #198 of 1778 🔗

I don’t think the guys who actually shot Jean Charles suffered any disciplinary consequences, they were acting on intelligence from their commander and thought they were facing a fanatical suicide bomber.

You might have heard of the commander of the operation though, a certain Cressida Dick. Obviously shooting innocent civilians on the tube is not an impediment to promotion.

444602 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Sampa, 2, #199 of 1778 🔗

I believe the then Director of Public Prosecutions, a certain Keir Starmer, decided with his forensic mind that there was no case to answer. I wonder what happened to him?

444351 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Stevey, 3, #200 of 1778 🔗

I know. I haven’t trusted the police for over 20 years.

444563 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to kh1485, 1, #201 of 1778 🔗

They’re only following orders 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

443765 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 20, #202 of 1778 🔗

I agressively resisted unlawful arrest, got charged with assaulting 4 police impostors, appeared at the docks Isleworth Crown. All charges dropped, and £5k compensation, without the solicitor having to break a sweat. Took my kids to Disney, Florid. That was 20yrs ago. Happy days!

443783 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jinks, 8, #203 of 1778 🔗

Perfectly right, but not sure with today’s stasi & SS the courts would find the same verdict. Police are just profound liars, worse than any criminal. If I am ever asked what I have against police, I simply say, they’re dishonest, violent & corrupt, completely untrustworthy.

443818 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #204 of 1778 🔗

The cowards wouldn’t get in the box to give evidence against me. Spent the morning loitering in the corridors, instead of doing their job, which pissed me off no end, when the Crown barrister stood up, and said no evidence against me was being offered. Totally corrupt, the bloody lot.

443833 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #205 of 1778 🔗

Agree but some forces are worse than others.

444037 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #206 of 1778 🔗

I was successfully defended against 3 lying constables and a sergeant by a solicitor who advised me very strongly not to call them liars to the Magistrate.
Very sound advice.

S. Yorks during the miners strikes but nothing to do with that. You might have thought they had better things to do than launch a spurious prosecution on an innocent visitor from London.

444028 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jinks, 6, #207 of 1778 🔗

40 years ago they arrested my mate Eddie for carrying an offensive weapon at a demo in London.
Said weapon was an Anarchist flag on a pole, duly acquitted as Lawfull protest.
Eddie got his flag back, and his pole.

443815 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #208 of 1778 🔗

The reasonable excuse isn’t defined in law. So this idea you can only go out for exercise is bullshit.

444036 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #209 of 1778 🔗

It happened to me last March and I wrote to the CC who phoned and apologised. “We looked at the officer’s video and he was wrong in 3 respects.”

443725 maggie may, replying to maggie may, 13, #210 of 1778 🔗

Mike Yeadon has been on DT comments BTL today on one of Allison Pearson’s articles. He makes some good points on ‘vaccination’. presumably as it’s in the public domain it’s okay to reproduce on here without asking him?

443741 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to maggie may, 7, #211 of 1778 🔗

Pleased to see Mike making a reappearance, but surprised he’s chosen the Torygraph to do it. I replied to a few of his comments the other day. It does appear to be the real him.

443775 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Bigade, 5, #212 of 1778 🔗

I am pretty confident it’s him too – i suppose DT might be a better read than the Mail for him and barely worth commenting in the Grauniad or Times is it? I thought his points about asymptomatic transmission were good too.

443728 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #213 of 1778 🔗

Hancock ‘has a plan to instil enthusiasm for the jab among young people who may be vaccine averse’.

444583 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 7, #214 of 1778 🔗

Why the hell would you vaccinate the under 30’s. They is zero risk of dying? Why do you think you are vaccinating people? Its only to stop them dying right? So wtf do young people need it for? The vaccinations should be over now. All the high risk and tubbies should be done. So end it now. Hospitalisations are down to nothing so throw open the nhs. Stop testing and boom the virus has gone. Thow away your crutches (masks) and walk back to freedom. Go or wancock let it rip!!

444914 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #215 of 1778 🔗

Oh but we have bought enough of the poison to vaccinate every person in the UK 3 times over. They must be used on the people!! It is the duty of the people to ensure that the spaffing of taxpayer moolah is well spent to endorse the government’s decision to engage in said spaffing.

The poison won’t wait till the 6 month booster is due because, you know, Variants of Concern…

443731 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #217 of 1778 🔗

I’m kinda impressed by the comments section,

Oh isn’t this a beautiful thing, the demise of Nicola Sturgeon. Delicious.

443733 danny, replying to danny, 38, #218 of 1778 🔗

Listening to the end of Ann interview with some zealot on the radio yesterday who was proposing that remote jungle villages across the world be targeted and given vaccines. He was offering, (Bear Grylls style) to take them himself and that it was the moral duty of like minded explorers to do so.
One caller asked him why the need, especially if the villagers were effectively cut off from the world, and his earnest reply was that they might at some point go to the nearest town or market, and that’s where “the Covid” will be waiting!
Clearly deranged, or maybe just scamming for a publicly funded holiday, but the other point that struck me is this.
Considering the poor living conditions and zero “social distancing” of some places in the world, think the shanty towns of South America, the barrios of Rio, the slums of Johannesburg and Delhi, then following the logic of Covid, shouldn’t millions have died by now?
Yet if we stand too close in a queue at Tesco, or (god forbid) visit grandma, it is almost a certainty that we will be murderers.
What a privileged, selective killer Covid is.

443758 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 5, #219 of 1778 🔗

He was on the Jeremy Vine show with the same stuff. Just as in lockdown 1 when they got more and more desperate for stories that were remotely on-topic.

443830 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 16, #220 of 1778 🔗

That’s the thing, the virus is intelligent – now it can suss out what socioeconomic class you are.

On a serious note when I ask lockdownistas about why aren’t slum dwellers in India, Philippines, Brazil, South Africa, etc dying in their thousands all I get is tumbleweed.

443877 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #221 of 1778 🔗

Yep. It has become akin to gently asking a religious person exactly how all those animals fitted into the Ark.
“They just did ok. I believe it”.

443994 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to danny, 3, #222 of 1778 🔗

Indeed. Or how did God manage to create the world and everything in it in 7 days?

444579 ▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #223 of 1778 🔗

A day is an era.

444199 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #224 of 1778 🔗

When I say that, the zealots usual reply is “Oh they don’t get any travelers visiting those area’s”

Please please please god wipe these idiots out and let the rest of us live in peace.

444220 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew K, 3, #225 of 1778 🔗

I’m actually hoping for an asteroid now. Or our new Martian overlords.

443737 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 13, #226 of 1778 🔗

The four seasons: Letdown, lockdown, lockdown, lockdown.

443740 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 3, #227 of 1778 🔗

Fist bump, or handshake? On what part of the hand does the virus lie?

443738 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 89, #228 of 1778 🔗

One day when I am old,
And my children come to me,
They’ll ask a poignant question
When did the world stop being free?

‘Mum, what were you doing,
When the world was closing down?
Dad, did you stay silent,
When they shut the shops in town?’

‘Did you really clap on doorsteps,
And for Captain Tom you cheered?
Did you give up Sunday worship,
While our freedom disappeared?’

‘Were you busy watching Netflix,
While furlough drained the purse?
Did you order endless take-aways,
And the ignore the lockdown’s curse?’

‘Did you ever see a future,
Like the one that we are in,
When freedom for the masses,
Is a memory, growing dim?’

‘Mum, were you complicit?
It’s a question I must ask.
Did you speak up or were silenced ?
Were you muted by the masks?’

I will tell them of the struggle,
To find truth where others lied,
I will tell them how I spoke up,
And share how hard I tried.

I will speak of propaganda,
People blinded by their fear,
‘I am sorry’ I will tell them,
I watched freedom disappear.

It was not for lack of trying,
We fought with truth and fact,
But the media played dirty,
Used emotion to distract.

So we chose to step away,
And not follow the advice
That’s why we live in freedom,
In our off grid paradise.

443742 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Liberty, 6, #229 of 1778 🔗

Outstanding! A poem I would have used in my TEFL teaching career, for my advanced class.

443764 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Liberty, 24, #230 of 1778 🔗

That’s brilliant.

I am so scared for my children’s future. They know at least I am against it all, but they also know I am an outlier, what with the nonsense the school pumps into them.

443777 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to sophie123, 16, #231 of 1778 🔗

you are right to be scared. you should take them out of the country, while you still can [Africa, South America – the horror will get to them later, maybe even never] – there is no future for them here, and I mean that literally – within 5 years most of us here will be dead. My children are adults, so I can’t take them out of the country, and I have resigned myself to the fact that they have no future. I only hope I die before they do.

443831 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liberty, 13, #232 of 1778 🔗

Brilliant. Everyday Mr Bart and I count our blessings that we don’t have children. I don’t think it would be fair to infilct this cruel world on a child.

443850 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Bart Simpson, 20, #233 of 1778 🔗

I can see how that would be less stressful. I have nine blessings and every day I pray that they will stand up in their generation and speak for love, truth and hope. The world needs my warrior children, they may be the some of few voices of sanity in the world that they are entering.

We have home educated them and taught them truth and how to find it. We have taught them love and how to share it. We have taught them about hope and where it comes from and how to hold onto it.

444001 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liberty, 7, #234 of 1778 🔗

I think your children will be OK and turn out well as you have been making an effort to raise them well.

May your tribe increase.

443971 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #235 of 1778 🔗

Similarly, we have no grandchildren and are grateful for that.

I have great empathy for all the children and young people caught up in this tyranny and the greatest possible contempt for those perpetrating this dystopian fraud.

443999 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #236 of 1778 🔗

I have two nieces and I’m worried about how they will fare in this increasingly dystpoian and tyrannical world. From the photos & videos I see of them they look OK but God knows what’s going on in their minds.

444174 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to Liberty, 5, #237 of 1778 🔗

Best poem yet.

444483 ▶▶ watersider, replying to Liberty, 1, #238 of 1778 🔗

Liberty thank a great poem. As a writer of doggerel myself I salute you.

444689 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Liberty, 2, #239 of 1778 🔗

Wonderful-an anthology of antilockdown poems should be published.

445270 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Liberty, 2, #240 of 1778 🔗

Brought me to tears. I’m coming to live with you!

443746 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #241 of 1778 🔗

On microbes by Ogden Nash:
Adam had em.
Nuff said?

443752 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #242 of 1778 🔗

Even for an atheist naturalist, it’s good enough.

443772 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #243 of 1778 🔗

I believe that the title is longer than the poem.
Great fan of old Ogden.

443806 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #244 of 1778 🔗

Likewise. A great man, with a magnificent contempt for scansion.

443787 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #245 of 1778 🔗

Even Eve

443748 PatrickF, 19, #246 of 1778 🔗

Save the NHS. Become a nurse. Stay home.

443751 Will, replying to Will, 13, #247 of 1778 🔗

The Jemma Moran piece in the roundup is absolutely brilliant. Managed to explain to a thicko like me why Lockdown gives more virulent mutations of the virus an advantage. It should be given much greater prominence.

443884 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Will, #248 of 1778 🔗

Yes, very well written and persuasive.

This was linked in the round-up the other day on a similar theme: https://www.pandata.org/dr-knut-wittkowski/

444030 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Will, 2, #249 of 1778 🔗

If it is true — and it seems logical to me — then it raises the question of whether the policy makers have deliberately pursued this policy (of promoting more virulent strains via LDs) or done so out of ignorance. Certainly one of Rainer F’s charge sheet.

Not the first time I have come across this argument, but it has certainly not got much of an airing.

444594 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Will, #250 of 1778 🔗

Yes everyday is a school day. Described really well and very easy to understand.

443754 Anti_socialist, 3, #251 of 1778 🔗

As for loading image today, I don’t mind (quite like it) if they look tortured or in pain. Does that make me a bad person?

443760 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 40, #252 of 1778 🔗

A poetic conversation between a mask lover and me.

I like to wear my mask,
I do it it just for you,
I value your life more than mine,
Will you please wear one too?

I’m thinking now of two masks,
To show the world I’m good,
You could join in and wear them,
I really think you should.

I will not wear these evil masks,
They are tools of control,
Our faces make us human,
They’re the windows to our souls.

The mask propaganda,
Has conditioned all our thoughts,
To accept the Covid vaccine,
And the subsequent passport.

These masks are to enslave us,
To teach us to obey,
They want to grind us down,
‘Til we surrender to their way.

My resolve is growing stronger,
As I see the world submit,
With heads bowed low and smiles lost,
Thy’re enslaved and proud of it.

But I am not a slave,
I won’t submit to evil rules,
I am sorry you believe them,
You’ve been taken in for fools.

443761 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Liberty, 5, #253 of 1778 🔗

Fantastic

443763 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Liberty, 6, #254 of 1778 🔗

On a roll today, Liberty. Brilliant.

444526 ▶▶ watersider, replying to Liberty, 7, #255 of 1778 🔗

Thank you Liberty for another great piece.
Not to spoil the part, but try this little bit ‘wot I rote’ some time ago.

EMACCULATED

If you really need to ask
Why I will not wear a mask,
It’s because I’m one of those
Who Marxist laws oppose;
Which will have us all kow tow
To the nation of the Lao,
While our leaders lay supine
With space where was a spine,
They lie down before the beast
Subjugated by the East,
Not a chance they’ll ever learn
To ignore the Comintern

To me it is a puzzle
Why humans wear a muzzle,
We were told by Doctor ‘Chu’
That masks don’t stop the flu;
Which was just some months ago
Now we’re told it isn’t so,
If you’re suffering and in pain
Lacking CO2 to the brain
Then your mask you must eschew,
The New World Ordered Plan
Is to muzzle every man.

444723 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to watersider, #256 of 1778 🔗

Very good. I do find poetry a great way to express our feelings.

443766 Anti_socialist, 14, #257 of 1778 🔗

I Think I’m In An Abusive Relationship – With the Government!. We’re publishing an original piece today

That’s not an original piece, I emailed my MP Ian Blackford stating the same case back in May 2020, I even laid out my case by including the laws he was violating, you can guess the response I received.

Yep that’s right Nada, zero, zilch nuttin, not a word!

443767 Anti_socialist, 6, #258 of 1778 🔗

COVID-1984

Stop living to save lives.

443769 cymraes78, 4, #259 of 1778 🔗

Good piece on being in an abusive relationship. I made a Twitter thread on the same topic a while back:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ILOVETINY/status/1356746094437429248

443770 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 22, #260 of 1778 🔗

“NHS staff could be forced to have Covid jab: Radical plan is being considered for thousands of medical staff who turn down the vaccine… but what if they STILL refuse?” (DM)

Do you think people should be forced to accept experimental medical treatment? Time to pick a side.

443872 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bugle, 9, #261 of 1778 🔗

This would be fundamentally against the law. I suspect it is threats and propaganda.

444154 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bugle, 6, #262 of 1778 🔗

They real yare at the front line now. And no Tik Tok video will help.

If they are able to force people into this, then we are dealing with something very sinister indeed. Any doctors supporting it need to be disregarded as trustful individuals when it comes to health

443774 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 27, #263 of 1778 🔗

Please forgive me if you already read this late last night. But for those of you who are not insomniacs, I wanted to share this to remind us all that there is power in standing up for our rights and those of our children.

We sent an email to our children’s school and this was the positive reply.
Dear Mr and Mrs xxxxx
Thank you for your email and your kind words.
As I am sure you appreciate, I/we are doing our best to manage the risks of transmission and hopefully protect everyone within the school community.
That said, it is absolutely your right to decide how you wish to proceed with regards to your children, testing and face masks. The guidance gives recommendations for the best approaches to ensure infections are minimised and I would stand by my advice of ‘strongly recommending the wearing of a face covering and engagement with the asymptomatic testing (whether on-site or with the home testing kits).
Your choice will certainly not impact on your children’s right to engage with their education at Xxxxxx xxxxx.
I am more than happy to further discuss this if you wish. I am equally happy to show you around our testing facilities if that would reduce any anxieties you or your children may have.
If Xxxxxx and Xxxxxx could come and see me and we can organise a pass to show their teachers, some pupils are using the lanyards below – which can be purchased at supermarkets. They may need a brief note from you to show people before they get to see me.


It really hasn’t been hard at our school to get out of these rules. I only wish more parents would know their rights and assert them.
My son has already shared this info with his friend who is following in his steps and eschewing masks and tests. I pray our children will be trailblazers and lead many out from under this deception.

443778 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Liberty, 10, #264 of 1778 🔗

Excellent. But who thought that a headteacher would ever be writing that sentence:

I am equally happy to show you around our testing facilities if that would reduce any anxieties you or your children may have.

443790 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to kh1485, 9, #265 of 1778 🔗

These instances show that we need to push, push, PUSH. Everywhere.

443784 ▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Liberty, 10, #266 of 1778 🔗

Well done in standing up to them. However, the children shouldn’t need to carry a pass. My kids’ school has made it clear that none of it is compulsory and there will be no sanctions. Hope they carry this out in practice.

443791 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Liberty, 6, #267 of 1778 🔗

Schools have a duty of care to provide an educational environment to certain standards. If the child doesn’t learn even with the best of resources that’s not on the school.

However if a school degrades the quality of such care and a child does not perform a family could sue for negligence. Pretty soon you’ll see court cases on this and the same for universities. And it only takes one win to open the flood gates.

Lockdown lawsuits will make PPI look like a corner shop.

444436 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Liberty, #268 of 1778 🔗

Sorry but earlier you said your ‘nine blessings’ which I take to be children? Were home educated but now you are talking about letters from a school?

444719 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Judy Watson, #269 of 1778 🔗

We have 2 in school, who were home educated until a year or so ago, aged 13 and 16, one in work and 6 at home being educated by me. Hope that clears up the confusion.

443779 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 17, #270 of 1778 🔗

Apt

443798 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 7, #271 of 1778 🔗

The Medical Dictatorship is probably training dogs at a facility (Labs in a lab?) to sniff out the unvaxxed at airports or before they can get into a Government building.

443916 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #272 of 1778 🔗

Donald Sutherland is just gloriously insane, isn’t he?

444442 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Sam Vimes, #273 of 1778 🔗

Only Jack Nicholson can touch him for that.

444605 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Sam Vimes, #274 of 1778 🔗

Scary film too….. yikes!

443780 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 19, #275 of 1778 🔗

So more pain for businesses who are having to fork out tax and pensions for furlough while keeping the veneer of helping out.

If furlough ended a lot of these people would be made redundant. A lot of them de facto are.

But no, let’s hide the numbers yet again.

443794 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mhcp, 16, #276 of 1778 🔗

Exactly, it’s just kicking the explosion in the unemployment figures down the road. But to end furlough now would be to expose what they have done and they do not possess the courage to do that, nor the stomach for the enevitable backlash. They are cowards of the very first order.

But hey, it’s OK because Rishi is going to bring in Green Bonds.

443819 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 7, #277 of 1778 🔗

kh, it’s not that they are cowards, it’s calculated to ensure there is no way back to the old normal – the jobs will be gone for good, and the businesses will be gone too. That’s the only way they can achieve their carbon neutral utopia (soon to be carbon zero).

443839 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 11, #278 of 1778 🔗

How many of the people furloughed still think they have jobs to return to?

Unemployment is already at 3 million. How many more people must be unemployed for the zombies to wake up?

443803 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #280 of 1778 🔗

I am still waiting for a reply from Aldi about their inaccurate and rather aggressive signage: ‘No mask, no entry, unless medically exempt’

443868 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to kh1485, 2, #281 of 1778 🔗

See the link I have just posted above.

443900 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basileus, #282 of 1778 🔗

Thanks.

443861 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #283 of 1778 🔗
443886 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #284 of 1778 🔗

The mask mandate comes from government – it is law – not from supermarkets etc. That law provides a list of exemptions, which is ‘not exhaustive’. As has been said here many times, virtually anybody is exempt. If someone is harmed, the government’s defence will simply be “You are exempt, it’s your own fault, didn’t you look at the legislation?” That’s why the exemptions are there, to protect the government, not to give us a get-out.

Hey, I’m not on their side for one second, but that’s how they would weasel their way out of it.

443785 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 19, #285 of 1778 🔗

ATL so there is a 40-50% increase in getting CV 19 AFTER a jab of the experimental drugs…but the idiots don’t know why and they muse about ‘asymptomatic’ spreading. And they scream about science? No they are just stupid.

If I made a product which killed over 1000 people in this country and hurt 10s of thousands more, I would be jailed.

443795 ▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 14, #286 of 1778 🔗

Not if you’d managed to get the laws changed to protect you first you wouldn’t.

443805 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 6, #287 of 1778 🔗

True, lots of bribes, payouts, stock options to sundry Ministers and ‘Doctors’. Then the avalanche of ‘scientific studies’ which prove the product is 1250% effective and safe…..

443796 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to FerdIII, 1, #288 of 1778 🔗

They call it Long Covid instead of no covid.

443801 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DanClarke, 5, #289 of 1778 🔗

Reminds one of the smallpox outbreaks you read of starting in the mid 19th century. Forced ‘vaccinations’ followed by ‘outbreaks’. As soon as the vaxx’s are stopped it goes away. It occurs in the ‘modern world’ with much frequency with various diseases as well.

443789 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 18, #290 of 1778 🔗

Years ago when I ran old and tired cars a product called easy start was essential to carry in the glove box. People said once you start using it your car would never start on its own again.
I’m beginning to feel like this about mRNA and the immune system. If it causes serious problems then the NHS is going to be seriously screwed for a workforce, better stay healthy then

443924 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #291 of 1778 🔗

I am not so keen on the idea of having a workforce characterised by extreme group think and the willingness to partake in crimes against humanity without question looking after my health anyway.

The sooner the NHS is shut down the sooner we can start to build an actual health care system.

444042 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #292 of 1778 🔗

Ether, that was what was in E asyStart
hummmm

443792 stewart, replying to stewart, 24, #293 of 1778 🔗

At the risk of getting voted down I’m going to say that I’m not completely unhappy if Boris Johnson is overly parsimonious and lockdown restrictions go on for way too long, so that most people get so completely sick of it and feel the government has gone too far (as all of us on here already do).

If it goes on for way too long then people might, just might, decide they never want another one ever again.

The last thing we want is for the general public to think the government has handled this well. That would be a real disaster in the long run. I would gladly endure some more pain now if it made it much less likely we ever have to experience this nightmare again.

443799 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to stewart, 25, #294 of 1778 🔗

I see what you are saying but an awful lot of small businesses have to be sacrificed while we are waiting for the scales to fall from the eyes of the totally deluded.

I just hope (I know, it will be in vain) that the Chancellor has some meaty tax rises up his sleeve for those who have a) profited from this shitshow and b) those, up until now, have not had to contribute financially to this all-in-it-togetherness.

443817 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 22, #295 of 1778 🔗

kh, this was my comment on an article in the DM yesterday about Rishi and his tax rises:

Rishi, YOU have done this – your government’s overreaction to Covid has caused a financial black hole, and NO ONE in Britain could have stopped you! You sort it out and leave Brits alone. Maybe the pro-lockdown people would like to put their hands in their pockets – the rest of us never wanted this, and after the first three weeks knew it wasn’t necessary!

443823 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to this is my username, 34, #296 of 1778 🔗

That’s a great response.

Really pisses me off that people think that once successful businesses are deemed acceptable collateral damage. I know one person, whose business was basically going down the toilet who is loving all this tax payer largesse. So, she comes out of it OK, yet once-thriving businesses pay the price.

There is one reason and one reason alone they have shut down hospitality and it aint because of the spread of the virus, it is because of the spread of ideas and information.

443834 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Rule of Pricks, replying to kh1485, 3, #297 of 1778 🔗

How about we approach this as follows…..

My net income (ie after tax) for 2019 is X – the rest I paid in tax

I am maintaining my net income for 2020 to be X as well (irrespective if my gross income). If there is any left Rishi can have whats left as tax and not a penny more

If my gross income for 2020 is less than X then Rishi gets nothing and I roll over the loss to 2021……..

443843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to kh1485, 19, #298 of 1778 🔗

Everything has been done, on steroids, to create isolation, anxiety and fear. The worst thing, unlike Nazi Germany, where mainly, one group was singled out for horrific treatment, by the general public, we have allowed our own loved ones to be murdered slowly through loneliness and neglect, as we standby, without barely a murmur. This is worse than being in an abusive relationship, where you’re the only victim, you’re also the abuser-by-proxy, as you’re abuser makes you complicit and a collaborator in those murders.

443844 ▶▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to kh1485, 11, #299 of 1778 🔗

“it is because of the spread of ideas and information”

Spot on! My Mum said this years ago when the local pubs started closing.

443851 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 25, #300 of 1778 🔗

There is one reason and one reason alone they have shut down hospitality and it aint because of the spread of the virus, it is because of the spread of ideas and information.

This!!! ^^^^^

Don’t forget museums & culture too – they’re also tools for the spread of ideas.

Anyone who still thinks this is about a virus really needs to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

443880 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #301 of 1778 🔗

Don’t forget museums & culture too – they’re also tools for the spread of ideas.

Yes, sorry Bart. Yes they do, but to question the narrative is to be labelled a ‘COVID denier’

443881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #302 of 1778 🔗

No worries.

And we’re being called tha because we are questioning the narrative.

444624 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to kh1485, 1, #303 of 1778 🔗

I’ve already been labeled a Covid denier by my entire former classmate WhatsApp group, who I’ve made two attempts to wake up so far. I’m quite frankly sick of dealing with these sheep.

444929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Elisabeth, #304 of 1778 🔗

That sounds tough but well done for trying!

443901 ▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to kh1485, 8, #305 of 1778 🔗

How about all those who benefited from Covid and lockdown – amazon; netflix, tesco; all the ppe companies etc. are charged a one off tax of say 10% on 2020/21 profit in excess of 2019/20 profit? Also public sector workers pay an extra 5% income tax for 2 years.

443917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to vargas99, 2, #306 of 1778 🔗

Oh yes …

443934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to kh1485, 2, #307 of 1778 🔗

I believe it’s called a windfall tax and there is precedent.

444402 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 1, #308 of 1778 🔗

They’ll pass any such windfall tax on to their customers in increased prices, of course.

444007 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to vargas99, 9, #309 of 1778 🔗

Mr Bart has been advocating that all those in favour of lockdown & restrictions be taxed at 100% of their income and earnings. When I mentioned this to a colleague she wailed that would mean that she won’t see a penny of her salary. To which I retorted it won’t be different to a business owner or a free lancer who has had zero income for nearly a year now.

444625 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to this is my username, #310 of 1778 🔗

Hindoo Chancellor and Bojoke did it and we will pay for it!

443809 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to stewart, 6, #311 of 1778 🔗

I agree in principle, however collateral damage makes it personally unacceptable.

443869 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #312 of 1778 🔗

I agree, the collateral damage is the dark side of that.

The rationale however is that we will have future lockdowns with even more collateral damage unless we make sure it never happens again.

I just don’t want this to happen again. Ever.

443813 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stewart, 18, #313 of 1778 🔗

I’m not sure after listening to friends and family if it will ever change their way of thinking, they are waiting for guidance for every step and accepting of everything in a resigned way Its shocking how needy people are, how they can’t think for themselves. I’m becoming an outcast because I can’t bear to listen to them.

443816 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 13, #314 of 1778 🔗

Missing the plot. Fascists don’t reliquish control. They simply tighten the screws. If this totalitarianism does not end by mid Spring we are Phucked.

443865 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 5, #315 of 1778 🔗

I know. Which is why I think this only really ends when the public says so.
For that they need to be totally fed up and sick of it.

443836 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stewart, 9, #316 of 1778 🔗

Nah, you underestimate socialists & overestimate Johnson, if I’m honest your post sounds like you’re still in denial. The next steps will be socialists lobbying for UBI, Corporations will agree on condition automation & AI take over the workplace leaving the Tories no option! Let’s face it they aren’t conservatives they are neo-liberals.

443863 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #317 of 1778 🔗

Denial of what?
I’m not suggesting that is the reason the government is doing it, if that is what you mean.

443848 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stewart, 8, #318 of 1778 🔗

It’s gone on for long enough, 2 weeks turned into a year. If you’re a small business or self employed it’s not really so easy to just hang on a little longer.

444724 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #319 of 1778 🔗

And there’s also the danger that, instead of driving the general public to defiance, it might just take the lockdown to a point at which people lose their memory of how things used to be and just kind of settle for the way things are …”because it’s safer now than it used to be in the bad old pre vax Covid days.”

443898 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to stewart, 6, #320 of 1778 🔗

It has gone on way to long. The majority will believe what they are told to believe and do what they are told to do. I used to think that there was a limit to what people could have taken and be forced to do but not any longer. I now think that the worse things become the more compliant and willing to partake in evil people will become.

The people don’t have to think that the government handled this well as long as they only focus on the appropriate flaws – like not locking down sooner, harder etc and not buying enough PPE.

Anyway these are tyrants and they will not stop or turn back their tyranny will expand until its meets effective resistance which is not on the horizon so I guess we will find out soon enough.

443800 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #321 of 1778 🔗

The Guardian: Law in a Time of Crisis by Jonathan Sumption review – beyond the lockdown sceptic.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/03/law-in-a-time-of-crisis-by-jonathan-sumption-review-beyond-the-lockdown-sceptic

443811 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #322 of 1778 🔗

The Guardian (gag, vomit, laugh). The CV fascists will always say with no evidence, and in fact all the evidence overwhelmingly againt them, that not LDing would be worse. LDs killed most of those who died. The anti science of all these policies murdered people.

They of course conclude: “ Worse, Sumption seems to have completely lost the historian’s sense of the counterfactual. If we hadn’t locked down, and if many more had died, the pressure on the government to act would have grown and the threat to the things Sumption values – freedom of choice, personal assessment of risk – would have been even greater.”

443828 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #323 of 1778 🔗

Just as I thought. No comments allowed on the article. What a surprise, not!

443853 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 2, #324 of 1778 🔗

I’m not surprised. The Guardian has been increasingly resorting to that. Plus deleting comments that calls out the hypocrisy of the writer.

443996 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #325 of 1778 🔗

Comments are never allowed on articles which might question the promoted narrative of the current phobias imagined up in the febrile minds of Common Purpose trained protagonists

444015 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 2, #326 of 1778 🔗

Yep. I remember too that they stopped allowing comments on article about Brexit given that many of the readers who commented did vote Leave or could see why many people voted Leave.

444110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #327 of 1778 🔗

It was so tiresomely obvious. Mind you, the Hillsborough disaster, when I was 13yrs old, taught me everything I needed to know, about the corrupt collaboration of police, press, medical and government establishment. Started me on the road towards learning about Common Law, Freemasonry, occult symbology and rituals. A blessing and a curse.

444238 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, 1, #328 of 1778 🔗

I come from a conutry that’s very corrupt and it taught me early on that no-one is to be trusted.

444338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #329 of 1778 🔗

well, I was told that the British government were run by incorruptible, upstanding, civilised gentlemen and woman, policing was done by consent, free education was world class, the NHS and Welfare state was the envy of the world, and the streets of London ran with milk and honey. I’m just glad I’m not learning the truth now, unlike so many others.

444538 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, #330 of 1778 🔗

Same here. The UK was seen as the gold standard for many things.

Not anymore.

443804 anapaularocha, replying to anapaularocha, 1, #331 of 1778 🔗

Very well written and should be published in every single newspaper. Thank you for sharing.

443975 ▶▶ Mark, replying to anapaularocha, 2, #332 of 1778 🔗

Very well written and should be published in every single newspaper. Thank you for sharing .”

Sharing what?

443808 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #333 of 1778 🔗

Hmm Images of Novel Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 Now Available don’t look like the cuddly critters in the DM.

443812 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #334 of 1778 🔗

NIAID-RML

443825 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #335 of 1778 🔗

NIAID-RML

444053 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #336 of 1778 🔗

Pah, fake news, these images are CGI, synthetic. Not photographic. Literally.

444253 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Two-Six, 4, #337 of 1778 🔗

Yep, some months ago I had a conversation with a guy who claimed to be a scientist (dunno what discipline) he told me no one has ever taken a detailed picture of a virus because they are too small & we don’t have the technology to do it. He seemed very credible.

If I come across a link I think others may be interested in I post it, doesn’t mean I have any interest in it or like it.

443814 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 60, #338 of 1778 🔗

Lately, I have given up writing to my MP but the latest bit of Constable Savage-ness has prompted me to fire this off:

Dear Mrs X

I am becoming increasingly disturbed by the police harassment of my elderly customers. Yet again, yesterday, two customers (both in their 80s) were threatened for sitting on one of the park benches (one of the benches, I may add, that the Town Council said were for the use of the elderly). They were the only people in Jubilee Gardens at the time , so what harm they were doing anyone is beyond me.

During a time when police routinely ignore real crime, is this a worthy use of what we are always told are ‘scarce’ resources?

This police overreach, which they are clearly enjoying deploying, is a disgrace.

kh
kh’s Coffee Shop

443845 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 6, #339 of 1778 🔗

Dear KH, thank you for contacting me. I have forwarded your complaint to the police commissioner responsible.
Please do not hesitate to get in touch again if there is any way I can help you.
Kind regards, etc

443873 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bluemoon, 20, #340 of 1778 🔗

In my dreams:

It will be:

Dear kh (subtext, oh god, it’s that bloody woman again, you know the one who moans about crime)

The government and police are working really hard at the moment to keep everyone safe. It is imperative that everyone plays their part in this endeavour (subtext, and that includes those pesky old people who have the temerity to sit on the benches).

Thank you for contacting me (subtext, oh just bugger off and leave us alone).

MP (kh subtext: useless waste of space).

444628 ▶▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to kh1485, 1, #341 of 1778 🔗

Sounds about like the sniveling wishy washy bullsh*t replies I got from our local and state government

444022 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 9, #342 of 1778 🔗

Standard response for the Met Police

Dear KH

Thank you for contacting us with your concerns

This has been referred to Ms Dick – but at present she is far to busy hunting Latinos for sport

and/or scissoring

Again thank you for your concerns

444121 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to kh1485, 7, #343 of 1778 🔗

kh,

I would agree with Pilot’s earlier suggestion to send this also to police complaints. That may have more effect than sending to your MP.

And thanks for standing up to all this.

444233 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #344 of 1778 🔗

I’ll give it a go and thanks for your kind comment.

444261 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kh1485, 6, #345 of 1778 🔗

Log every event, think about suing rather than disciplinary complaints, they hate paying out compensation. You’re more likely to be successful in stopping it

445072 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to kh1485, 1, #346 of 1778 🔗

While agreeing with Anti_socialist below, please go to the YouTube channel for Crimebodge. This outstanding, courageous individual has an astonishing record for suing the sh!t out of the filth.

Anti_socialist is 100% correct; you must complain in order to “give them a chance to rectify the complaint” (please excuse me while I cry bitter tears of laughter) but the really important work starts when you sue the bastards. The average unlawful arrest with all the attendant evil (assault, battery, false imprisonment etc) gets you 3000 GBP minimum, and it sends an appropriate message to the officer’s supervision.

443821 FerdIII, 10, #347 of 1778 🔗

So there is no science to the LDs. ATL. So why the Phuck are people being forced to eat an experimental drug? And why the Phuck are people still dying in Feb-Mar 2021, when supposedly by mid Jan 95% of the over 75s were jabbed? Where is the Phucking ‘science’ on why they are dying and from what exactly? Is it the Phucking jab? Old age? Underlying conditions and if so, why are they counted as Phucking Covid dead?

The National Institute for Health Research and UK Research and Innovation jointly awarded over £5.3million for a programme of research of eight projects to understand the routes of transmission of COVID-19 in different environments and groups of people. These projects are 12-15 months in duration and are expected to report findings in the summer of 2021.

444312 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Basileus, 2, #349 of 1778 🔗

Disturbing stuff. I recommend reading. And it should be referenced ATL…

443824 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #350 of 1778 🔗

World food program report

https://docs.wfp.org/api/documents/bb06a3493e85496587739785abfe5b28/download/?_ga=2.132298638.1875078973.1614758925-1163328150.1613121465

Some quotes

“271.8 million people in countries where it operates are acutely food insecure or directly at risk of becoming so due to the aggravating effect of the COVID-19 crisis.”

“A record 235 million people will need humanitarian assistance and protection in 2021, a near-40 percent increase on 2020 which is almost entirely from COVID-19”

“Travel restrictions and partial lockdowns to contain the spread of COVID-19 have dealt devastating blows to economies around the world.”

“244 million schoolchildren remain deprived of the school meal they relied on”

“Civil unrest endures in countries with high levels of public discontent, often linked to loss of livelihoods due to economic downturns exacerbated by COVID-19. These same factors are also driving opportunistic criminality and creating space for non-state armed groups and criminal organizations to increase recruitment”

443832 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to steve_w, 7, #351 of 1778 🔗

The result of Lockdowns

443826 isobar, 6, #352 of 1778 🔗

‘S.Korea probes deaths of two who received AstraZeneca vaccine’

‘An AstraZeneca spokeswoman in Seoul said the company had no comment’.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/03/03/s-korea-probes-deaths-of-two-who-received-astrazeneca-vaccine/

443837 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 21, #353 of 1778 🔗

Covid-Experimental Drug-Tards confounding question.

In the UK 95% of the over 75s were jabbed by mid-end Jan 2021. Since then 15 K supposedly have died from the Rona…yet the drug is 95% effective.

Using science, please explain how this is possible based on your ficitonal claims of drug ‘effectiveness’. Real data, real use cases. Not jargon. No word salads.

Baa.

443859 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to FerdIII, 5, #354 of 1778 🔗

Ask for real data and all you’ll get is numberwang.

443896 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #355 of 1778 🔗

Yes they can’t even defend their own claims.

You would think Fake News and some politicians might be asking the obvious questions…..

444063 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PoshPanic, #356 of 1778 🔗

+1 for NumberWang!
“That’s NumberWang!”
Back when the BBC David Mitchel and Robert Webb were funny.

Instead of just fucking sad.

443860 ▶▶ John, replying to FerdIII, -5, #357 of 1778 🔗

Those deaths could be the result of the vaccination, most likely the Pfizer being the dominant version at the time, but we’ll never know. I’ve never made claims of 95% effectiveness, as far as I can recall that figure is relative not absolute. Instead of insulting people I politely suggest you do your own research.

443899 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to John, 8, #358 of 1778 🔗

Pfizer claims 95% effectiveness in their 53 page ‘report’.
Fake News restates it.
Gov’t and BBC even say you cannot die after taking the drug (from anything pace the BBC….).

So my phucking question is appropriate. Who is dying post drug ingestion and why?

443956 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to FerdIII, 7, #359 of 1778 🔗

When the mechanism of Pfizer vaccine was first announced I had concerns based on the clinical evidence from a year ago, blood clotting disorders and other inflammatory disorders, alongside the older immune system.
In the older person they’re more likely to experience an overreaction of their immune system as it may be in a continual state of inflammation.
Also the older person in a care home is more likely to be vitamin D deficient. It is postulated that vitamin D is not only involved in initiating the immune response but also involved in dampening the response of the immune system as long term inflammation results in tissue damage. The symptoms of an overactive immune response are blood clotting disorders, rapid heart rate, low blood pressure, rapid breathing and low saturations.
These take time to develop, and by the time they’re detected the odds of surviving are significantly reduced.
This only a hypothesis.

443841 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 6, #360 of 1778 🔗

Hindoo Chancellor burning down the economy for Bojoke to build back better. All according to plan. Welcome to Gulag Britain!

443894 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheClone, 3, #361 of 1778 🔗

Universal basic income or UBI is the goal.

Millionaire Hindoo seems to have his coiff coiffed quite often…funny that.

And he is raving that ‘immigration routes’ must be opened up of course….for Hindoos, Muslims, Blacks….not for Whites you understand. Just his kind. The Enriching kind.

443849 John, replying to John, #362 of 1778 🔗
443885 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to John, 1, #363 of 1778 🔗

I really think £150k would be better spent on those that need help.

443892 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Robin Birch, 3, #364 of 1778 🔗

Maybe they could spend it on casting a bell to commemorate all the children that die of diarrhea every year

445176 ▶▶▶▶ watersider, replying to steve_w, #365 of 1778 🔗

Steve,
I read some where recently that 60,000 children die from diarrhea in Egypt alone. All for the lack of clean water and a sewage system. We squander billions on building useless windmills which people like the Crown Office and David Cameron’s father in law get paid mega bucks for.All subsidised by our power bills.

443856 kate, replying to kate, 6, #366 of 1778 🔗

New analysis from the Israeli Health Ministry concluded Pfizer’s COVID vaccine killed “about 40 times more (elderly) people than the disease itself would have killed” during a recent five-week vaccination period, and 260 times more younger people than would have died from the virus.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7ab61c63-bdc0-423a-89ec-c0dfb0a560a0

444409 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to kate, 1, #367 of 1778 🔗

Hi Kate

Just seen your post – yes, it’s a very significant report but it won’t get any coverage in UK national MSM. I posted the same link about an hour ago, not realising you’d already posted it…but the more this info gets copied around, the better!

443862 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 13, #368 of 1778 🔗

Letter to the DT from a vicar. I’m paging for a comment…

“Now is the time to be radical and visionary. What both clergy and congregations need is to be set free – free from unnecessary costs, red tape, diocesan strategies and national consultations. Church buildings must close, and the weight of their upkeep lifted [sic] from congregations’ shoulders. Holding church services in people’s homes, and meeting in schools and village halls, must be the new normal [sick].”

While we wait for Annie to condense out of the cloud of pure, fiery rage she has just become, I’ll offer a translation of the vicar’s remarks into English.

“Now is the time to be mind-bogglingly perverse, even by the standards of the Church of England clergy. What both clergy and congregations need is to be set free – free from, well, I’ll put in lots of obvious targets nobody can possibly disagree with here, so no one will notice that what I actually mean is “heritage, tradition and the physical, historical link with our local past”. Church buildings must close (I’m just WETTING myself with the sheer power of that sentence. I learned it from Matt Hancock. He loves himself a bit of rampant musting), justified by the notion of “lifting the weight of their upkeep from congregations’ shoulders” – the fact that, as we all know, the C of E is awash in money can be safely swept under the one remaining threadbare bit of carpet. Holding church services in people’s homes would be like soooooo freaking cool and all the kids would like be really rad about it (did I use that right?), and meeting in schools and village halls MUST (yay I did it again) be the new normal.” Leaving aside the awkward fact that the new normal proscribes meetings in other people’s homes and bans meetings in schools and village halls. Also, churches are closed anyway, and the C of E has sacrificed all credibility by basically pimping for the Department of Health ever since the covidiocy started.

443878 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #369 of 1778 🔗

State financed Churches will do what their money masters want. CoE is not really Christian imo. More an appendage of the Guardian.

CC btw (I am Catholic) is little better. Full on retard from warmtarding to CV 19. Any priest brave enough to put his head above the parapet is slapped down and threatened. Same with any questioning the cult of Queer which runs in rivers in our CC.

443888 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to FerdIII, 1, #370 of 1778 🔗

FerdIII, I am just about to send a private message to you. I would be most grateful if you could respond.

443949 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 9, #371 of 1778 🔗

Sorry, have just self-destructed in a blaze of fire, takes time to rise from the ashes.

443866 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #372 of 1778 🔗

From the BBC

The police are really our friends. All the stuff that they did in the past twelve months DID NOT OCCUR

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-56256913

Propaganda for 5year olds

443870 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Cecil B, 6, #373 of 1778 🔗

It’s horribly cis-white-heteronormative, that story, isn’t it? Could they not at least have cast a black actor in one of the roles?

Have to laugh at “they plan to marry when covid restrictions are lifted”, though. Longest engagement in history.

443871 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 5, #374 of 1778 🔗

Jesus wept. Softening up the kiddies to denounce their elders to the authorities?

443889 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 1, #375 of 1778 🔗

Yeah right and I believe in flying pigs

443903 ▶▶ Norman, replying to Cecil B, 3, #376 of 1778 🔗

So at least at one point in this new relationship, both were contravening the regulations.

443874 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 10, #377 of 1778 🔗

Maybe Johnson, running his hands through his hair, feels despair that he can’t keep this going much longer, BUT he is being told he has to. What a conundram

443875 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to DanClarke, 3, #378 of 1778 🔗

Caption competition. My offering is, “Jeez, not another photo session posing for the Lockdown Sceptics website header. I thought those people didn’t like me!”

443879 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #379 of 1778 🔗

Not sure what’s worse the daily Hancock or Johnson one

443945 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 1, #380 of 1778 🔗

I think his hair fell out ages ago and he now wears a wig, made of oakum picked by slave MPs.

443876 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 80, #381 of 1778 🔗

Was asked to fill out a survey about working from home and I wrote this in one of the comment boxes:

I have found working from home difficult and have not enjoyed it. I live in a not so good neighbourhood where anti-social behaviour is fairly rife and the current situation has meant that I tend to find my work sometimes disrupted by neighbours quarrelling, shouting, ranting & raving to themselves or during the summer playing loud music. There is also no real place to switch off, the one local park I have is strewn with litter and graffiti.

I will find it hard to forgive those who constantly bleated about “staying at home to protect the NHS” and “making sacrifices”. Yeah its OK for some with their beautiful homes and gardens, lovely areas with huge green spaces and chi-chi high street. But not for those in high rise tower blocks or dodgy neighbourhoods with the lack of green spaces, no amenities, high crime rate and anti-social behaviour.

I also wonder for those people bleating the above if they will have to guts to say that to someone who has lost their job or business, has a family member commit suicide or succumb to cancer or battle mental health issues, domestic violence or substance abuse. Will they?

Never forgive, never forget, never again.

443887 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #382 of 1778 🔗

The NHS is not fit for purpose if the nation needs to be locked up just to ‘protect it’

443893 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Victoria, 11, #383 of 1778 🔗

You could have ended your sentence before the word ‘if’.

443902 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 8, #384 of 1778 🔗

Exactly. If it can’t cope then what’s the point? We always get these headlines every December-February time.

443943 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #385 of 1778 🔗

And how much could they have beefed it up with the money spaffed on this already.

444021 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #386 of 1778 🔗

The government year after year keeps throwing more money at the NHS so it makes you wonder why its always “they can’t cope.”

443920 ▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Victoria, 11, #387 of 1778 🔗

Given that other countries in Europe don’t worship their health service, what was their excuse? Just huge numbers of deaths? I wonder how people in other countries were conned.

443891 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #388 of 1778 🔗

Never forgive, never forget, never again.”

I like this – to the point

443936 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 13, #389 of 1778 🔗

Thanks. The “never forgive, never forget” came from another LS reader here and I simply added “never again.” I think this should be our slogan.

444147 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #390 of 1778 🔗

The never again is the important bit

444348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 1, #391 of 1778 🔗

Agree. Very crucial too.

443929 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bart Simpson, 14, #392 of 1778 🔗

Most lockdown-zombies lack real empathy. They mistake virtue signalling for empathy. They will never acknowledge that those selfish “anti-vaxxers” were mostly selfless.

443947 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheBluePill, 7, #393 of 1778 🔗

Well said and therein lies the rub – they’re OK because they’re not being impacted by the collateral damage or if they are they tell themselves that they’re making sacrifices for the greater good.

I wonder if they will still think that when it dawns on them that they’ve been had.

444362 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to TheBluePill, 11, #394 of 1778 🔗

They’re the same people who post ‘I was shocked how many people were out walking’ when they were themselves, or complain about the hoi polloi travelling to beauty spots to walk, because they would rather keep the nice places for themselves and leave the rest of tramping round the pavements of our housing estates.

444371 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to disgruntled246, 6, #395 of 1778 🔗

They don’t want the riff-raff going around their lovely green spaces that’s why.

445361 ▶▶ james007, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #396 of 1778 🔗

I got into a WhatsApp row with a Covidian. He conceded that as he has a nice house and garden, lives in a pleasant part of the countryside he hasnt really suffered at all from lockdown.
I said I would support his freedom to keep himself locked down forever if that’s what he wanted to do. Why should others less fortunate suffer for his political cause?
Why should the powerful impose their will on the meek?
I found this great quote from CS Lewis:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult.”

443883 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 13, #397 of 1778 🔗

Another DT headline caught my eye on my strictly time-limited trawl through what the WHO wants us to think… this one definitely deserves to be shortlisted for the Piers Morgan Award for lockdownista narcissism above and beyond the call of duty:

I HAVEN’T BEEN TO THE HAIRDRESSER FOR A YEAR, AND I LOVE MY NEW LOOK!

444658 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #398 of 1778 🔗

‘Because she’s worth it’.

443890 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 14, #399 of 1778 🔗

Plans are obvious. These fascists arselings, the Occupation Government have 3 rules in order to return to what THEY will define as normalcy (which will be the abnormal digital-surveillance state). Sheeple simple don’t pay attention.

1-They will demand that x% (usually 70% is offered) of the Sheep MUST be injected with the experimental drugs (2 doses minimum). This means 45 million people. Currently we are less than half way there. T his will take a year? If all comply?

Expect a lot more messaging on this.

2-A majority of the Sheeple MUST have an experimental drug ID or passport. This will include domestic use and shopping, not just int’l travel. This means that a new system needs to be built and this won’t occur before mid-summer, and this is dependent on #1 above.

Expect fake Parliamentary debates, commissions, Fake News cheerleading etc.

3-Infection rates, another made up number, must drop to far below normal flu levels per 1000. This is basically zero Covid. This is related to fake PCR or LTF tests as well, the efficacy of both is statistically very poor.

In essence they will now start to ignore the dead counts and focus on other more easily manipulated goalpost objectives.

Once they digitise your drug status the rest will follow. Linking that to your finances and pace China, to your social ‘score’ on how well you behave which impacts your ability to get a loan and travel.

443906 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to FerdIII, 13, #400 of 1778 🔗

Is the uptake anywhere near what they say and why they are coercing the RF and celebs into promoting it. I would say they are struggling badly.

443918 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 17, #401 of 1778 🔗

From what I remember uptake has increasingly slowed down and there are huge swathes of the population such as BAME and NHS staff who don’t want the vaccine.

Using the royals has backfired badly to the point that the Palace has not highlighted the Queen’s engagement where she uttered those infamous words about the vaccine on their social media accounts.

444038 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #402 of 1778 🔗

Because it never happened? Deep fake imo.

444090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jos, 1, #403 of 1778 🔗

Won’t be surprised if that’s the case…….

445212 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jos, #404 of 1778 🔗

Virtually every deep fake I’ve seen is crap and obvious. Though I haven’t seen the new Tom Cruise ones twitter is trending.

445207 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to FerdIII, #405 of 1778 🔗

Will the British people really accept that? Moreoever, can you imagine the French and Germans accepting that? I can’t. The British may be a majority coward race but the significant minority who are not would prevent any social credit score, or I hope. The other populations of the world wouldn’t accept it.

443895 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 24, #406 of 1778 🔗

A friend just showed me an Arsebook entry by his sister which proclaimed:

‘Vaccination Day!’ accompanied with a party popper image. Despair.

443904 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to kh1485, 14, #407 of 1778 🔗

It is just a drug….it is just a train….it is just a camp….it is just a shower…..

443909 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FerdIII, 16, #408 of 1778 🔗

And the irony is, she is Jewish.

443915 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to kh1485, 12, #409 of 1778 🔗

Good God. Unbelievable really. The ignorance of people is simply frightening…mRNA is not a vaccination, just an experiment.

443922 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to FerdIII, 10, #410 of 1778 🔗

Yep. By their very actions, you know that these people haven’t looked at a single fact, and yet they are sure they are right.

Really, is there any difference between “Here, have this rushed untested medicine” and “Do you want to buy this bridge?” ?

443970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #411 of 1778 🔗

It’s a surprise to me that so many who consider themselves part of the intelligentsia are quite stupid or is it just laziness? The truth is out there if only they would do some research, of course it could just be arrogance!

443925 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to FerdIII, 10, #412 of 1778 🔗

Indeed. And she’s getting masses of thumbs up and congratulations from …. other Jewish people.

443910 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 6, #413 of 1778 🔗

Well, why not? It means we will be invicible, can get all our freedoms back and life will return to normal. That’s a lot ot celebrate, isn’t it? Isn’t it? Isn’t….

444027 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #414 of 1778 🔗

But they shouldn’t be blamed for having been brainwashed by the MSM. I hope they never have to learn that it was an irreversible error of judgement bit I doubt that somehow.

443959 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to kh1485, 6, #415 of 1778 🔗

You didn’t see one of the latest sheeple comments on that website again (ie the Moneysavingexpert one). Said sheeple was commenting that she planned on wearing a special occasion type dress and making an effort with her appearance generally – as she went for The Jab!!!!! She’d thought of an excuse to apparently justify dressing-up as being to commemmorate a relative. Excuse me – she could have commemmorated said relative with a bottle of champagne/suitable little ceremony within her own home. Cue for other sheeple congratulating her.

444017 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to ElizaP, 10, #416 of 1778 🔗

I am sitting here shaking my head at all this. What have we come to. What next, smear test parties …

444043 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to kh1485, 2, #417 of 1778 🔗

Except that we will be doing those at home from now on. 😉

444047 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to kh1485, 2, #418 of 1778 🔗

It’s a very strange cult. People dress up for weddings, baptisms. Having “the jab” is a sacred act for these people.

444095 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 6, #419 of 1778 🔗

I’ve seen some people with stickers stating they’ve had the jab.

Am tempted to take the piss by wearing a yellow star sticker.

444506 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to kh1485, 1, #420 of 1778 🔗

My brother put on whatsapp on saturday “ Had phizer jab today! So far, so good
Haven’t heard from him since – ha!

Last week i sent him some documents on the vaxxs and the adverse reactions etc – he didn’t listen one iota being an “establishment” chap. Told him he’d be laughing on the other side of his face with a bells palsy.

444612 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to penelope pitstop, #421 of 1778 🔗

Same situation as my friend. He sent his entire family all the information but at best they didn’t want to know and at worst they were downright hostile to him. Like he said, he told them because he cares.

443912 Basileus, 10, #422 of 1778 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-government-censured-for-a-lack-of-transparency-and-accountability-12234248

UK government censured for a lack of transparency and accountability The Open Government Partnership says the government failed to live up to its pledges to improve transparency and accountability.

No kidding?

443913 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 8, #423 of 1778 🔗

Another Clown from SAGE. Triple diaper. Maybe just roll around in a plastic ball.

Dr Hopkins said during a Downing Street press briefing on Monday: “The more layers you have, the better.”

“What we recommend is at least two layers and ideally three layers in a mask. That is really important to reduce the virus transmission both from you to others and others to you,” Hopkins added, according to The Times .

443914 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to FerdIII, 1, #424 of 1778 🔗

Great post!

Bring it on – great way to get rid of the gullible

443930 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to FerdIII, 2, #425 of 1778 🔗

It will be lawyers coming your way Dr Hopkins not ‘layers’.

Told to layer
Get a lawyer
Some for hire
Need a buyer

A poet, and I didn’t know it.

443950 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 2, #426 of 1778 🔗

I’d recommend he wear a garotte, two or even three.

443955 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to FerdIII, 4, #427 of 1778 🔗

Which means for the last year people have been walking around at risk (supposedly). And nothing happened.

443979 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to mhcp, 5, #428 of 1778 🔗

Doubtless the argument will be that if we all wore enough masks the virus would disappear (probably because it would run out of hosts as we all suffocate). It is a slightly more subtle version of Ferguslime’s foot and mouth eradication strategy: kill all the animals and FMD will run out of hosts.

444045 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Will, 9, #429 of 1778 🔗

How about all SAGE members demonstrate by wearing face masks made of clingfilm, or sealed plastic bags over their heads (with their hands tied of course, because touching your mask is dangerous).

444136 ▶▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #430 of 1778 🔗

They’re all used to that sort if thing in their bedrooms. Wasn’t an MP or toff found dead like that some years ago? Had an apple or orange in his mouth too!

444244 ▶▶ Annie, replying to FerdIII, 1, #431 of 1778 🔗

You can roll about in a plastic ball if you have a hill handy. It’s called zorbing. There’s a place near here that used to offer it as a sport, before enjoying oneself became a crime.
Not that I’d enjoy it, but some folks do.

443919 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #432 of 1778 🔗

I can’t figure out whether Boris Johnson is less truthful than the Father of Lies – Satan – himself.

443941 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #433 of 1778 🔗

A distinction without a difference. As C S Lewis observed, damned souls are melted down into their master and become one with him.

443946 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #434 of 1778 🔗

I’d like him to be torn limb from limb and I bet I’m not alone either. I sometimes wonder if the masses will ever wake up. We can only change this course if action if we all pull in the same direction but far too many are content with the status quo.

444044 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #435 of 1778 🔗

If we all pull in the same direction he won’t be torn limb from limb 😊

443954 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #436 of 1778 🔗

Satan is just doing his job. Boris on the other hand

443921 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 31, #437 of 1778 🔗

I now find this situation unbearable. I am past any enjoyment in life just utter misery. I guess that’s a lot like how I imagine communism was.

443932 ▶▶ Janette, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #438 of 1778 🔗

Sorry to hear that Juntz. Have you palled up with any local groups who share similar views? I have and it’s been great. Please see if you can do that.

444019 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Janette, 11, #439 of 1778 🔗

I have managed to join one and we are due to meet on Sunday so hoping for the best. The incredible part of all this is how little my generation (millenials) seem to care. It seems to be those older only that care.

443939 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 31, #440 of 1778 🔗

You need to start looking for the good things in your life RIGHT NOW. Have you a roof over your head? Have you enough to eat? Have you access to books, films, music, puzzles, crosswords? Have you work to do? Something new to learn? Cooking? Sewing? Knitting? Is there a park near you, or open countryside, full of thr signs of spring? Do birds sing? Do dogs go for walks? Do cats purr? Do you meet nappyless human beings who smile at you?
I have all of this, every day, and more. The bad things are huge, but they only seem huger if you don’t set the good things against them.

443957 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Annie, 18, #441 of 1778 🔗

I’ve done all that Annie. I try walks i’ve just managed to get a home gym. I read books, I play playstation, I play my guitar. I even have a good family and friends at the weekend.

However, I get absolutely no socialisation during the week and I am not allowed to do any of my hobbies. The lack of purpose and moreso competativeness in my life is soul destroying.

On paper I know I am doing much better than someone in the third world but can’t help still feeling miserable. I am now at the 4 cans of lager a night stage that was never a thing before.

Sorry, as I really appreciate the advice is just hard after 12 months of trying to adjust to a life I don’t want.

443986 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #442 of 1778 🔗

I’d definitely cut out the lager. Drink is a depressive. I don’t drink if I’m feeling angry or down – simply because it makes me feel worse.

As I recall from your previous posts, you’re quite young.

Hunker down, we can all get through this, and come out the better and stronger for it.

When I was young I read Papillon by Henri Charriere (the book is far better than the film). I defy you to read that, especially the solitary confinement chapters, and not be ready to take on this shitshow full on, and in your stride

444082 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TJN, 1, #443 of 1778 🔗

Thanks TJN i’ll try kick the habit tonight even just a soft drink i guess is better. Will read Papillon also I am currently reading the gulag of archepelago for inspiration.

444092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #444 of 1778 🔗

I only ever drink expensive alcohol – that way it can never become a problem.

And as the Great Biker often says on here, he doesn’t drink any more as he wants a clear head. Sound advice imv.

444132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to TJN, 1, #445 of 1778 🔗

I only drink tennents so quite the opposite haha

444197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #446 of 1778 🔗

Have you read Catch-22? Funny as hell and in many ways very relevant to our current madness…

443993 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #447 of 1778 🔗

Yes -it’s the sheer boredom -every day is the same. But the worst is that you know that this is all unnecessary and that you are being played.

444097 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to arfurmo, 2, #448 of 1778 🔗

Yeah the boredom is something else lol

444652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #449 of 1778 🔗

The worst thing is knowing we’re being controlled and having se few people to talk to who are on our side. I feel battered, so isolated but immovable from my point of view. A principle is a principle always.

444010 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JHUNTZ, 16, #450 of 1778 🔗

We’re in the same boat, jhuntz – though the weekends are no different to weeks for me. I read, run, walk the dogs and try to forget the madness for a few minutes whenever I can. But the isolation of living alone and having no contacts who would meet face-to-face is physically painful. I always need something to work towards to feel good but it needs to be something that is meaningful to me – learning a new language won’t cut it.

Yes, there are people who are worse off than we are, but that doesn’t change the fact that we are being prevented from getting our basic human needs met. I agree with Annie that it’s important to notice the small things but I also know that it doesn’t come close to filling the void.

But I tell myself that this is bearable. We are bearing it – however hard it is. We don’t need to (and I don’t think we should) adapt or adjust to this non-life, we just need to keep surviving and remembering what is important to us and our identity in the knowledge that this will not last forever. The announcement about furlough extension last night hit me like a tonne of bricks. I kept thinking that I can’t do this for another six months. I can, though, and so can you. We don’t have a choice but to tough it out, one day at a time and we will. Do it with me – please!

444103 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #451 of 1778 🔗

Thanks Charlie, there is definetely a bit of Shawshank with Andy and Red here where he say “if you have come this far”. I can’t believe i’ve lasted 12 months i’ll at least stick it out to see what happens this summer it’s surely going to get interesting.

444669 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Charlie Blue, #452 of 1778 🔗

Does anyone know if there are any groups to join besides this one?
I have a few friends that I exchange information with and share opinions but sometimes I feel in a larger group we could achieve something. It’s becoming difficult to go out, even the window cleaner asked me if I had had the vaccine this morning.I think I need contact, does anyone else feel the same? suedavey2010@gmail.com

444786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Tillysmum, #453 of 1778 🔗

Try the freedom network Find a hub | The Freedom Network .

If your in glasgow drop me a PM I know people of likemind.

444014 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #454 of 1778 🔗

It’s tough my friend. What you are going through shows you are a normal, healthy, sensitive human being who has been subjected to a campaign of psychological warfare. I’ve been down the alcohol route myself and one thing I do know is that it makes things worse. The euphoria is wonderful. It numbs the pain. But you pay for it big time. It brings you right down. It’s hard to cut out the booze and it can easily become a habit. But you don’t have to drink every night. That’s a choice you have control over.

The best thing for lifting my mood is exercise. For me it’s jogging but with your gym maybe you could focus on something like weights – set yourself targets and goals. Get outside as well. The sun is a magical mood lifter – remember we are coming out of a grim winter. The spring is always a gift. And music too – set yourself new challenges on the guitar, that’s a great skill to have.

Bigger picture I don’t know what to advise. I hear you when you say it’s the lack of purpose that is tough. Hobbies are fine but many people (especially if you are younger) need something bigger in life – some meaning, something to work towards. That’s been taken away from us right now, particularly the younger generation. I think for all of us the big project here is to get through this with our integrity and humanity intact. That in itself is a meaningful project. And I think we must hold onto the hope that there will be a better future. And through our actions, even if it is the simple act of not giving into the fear-mongering, we will contribute to making that future a reality.

444086 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Johnsontown, 6, #455 of 1778 🔗

Thanks for your comments I really appreciate it. I will be avoiding the drink tonight. I am struggling with the humanity part I have a lot of disdain for those around me at the moment. Will need to work on that.

444123 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #456 of 1778 🔗

Good plan. Take a night off the booze. Some nights you’ll drink too much and that’s fine – don’t beat yourself up about it. Just try to set limits and establish some healthy habits. And remember: you’re a good person and you have value and people care for you.

Those of us in the sceptic camp are finding it hard to deal with the covidians. But I think we need to have some sympathy too. They have been scared out of their wits and they are simply going with the herd, which is the natural thing for humans to do. And we should have the humility to realise that we don’t necessarily have all the answers either. I do think “our side” is basically in the right, sure, but it’s not as though we agree on everything, and we are equally prone to group think, confirmation bias etc and we need to watch out for that. It’s not easy being a human being in the twenty-first century… so let’s try to have some compassion too.

I hope today goes well for you.

445218 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to JHUNTZ, #457 of 1778 🔗

I drank Breton cider last night and it was foul and disgusting. I was expecting it to taste like apple juice. I had apple juice from Bordeaux last year and it was excellent. Second time I had cider and the first was White Lighting as a fifteen year old. Reminded me of that and I felt sick. Even though Guillet Freres is supposed to be the best.

444002 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, 5, #458 of 1778 🔗

Underrated post
Yes focus on the small things around you
and stick it to the Covidians and their authoritarian state any small way you can
And smile whilst doing it – subterfuge can be fun

444093 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #459 of 1778 🔗

Annie has always been a resolute member of this forum.

444234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #460 of 1778 🔗

And will be until we are free, and it can wind itself up amidst general rejoicing. We could have a ceremony for that at our victory celebrations.

445225 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Annie, #461 of 1778 🔗

I NEVER smile or talk to anyone as most people are really awkward in this country and I have said ‘hello’ to people before and they ignored me.

If I smile at someone it will be because I expect something out of them. From now on my relationships are entirely transactional.

If people here enjoy alchohol, I would get in wine because eventually it will run out. Beer doesn’t keep but you can store wine in a cold cupboard if you don’t have a cellar.

That said, I have recently bought a whole crate of Belgian beer, trappist actually, and fifteen Rochefort 10.

The Trappist mix was really good value.

Hopefully it will store but I don’t know. It is in a dark cupboard next to my wine.

I have a bottle of Bordeaux from 1966 and that would have to be decanted first.

I was thinking about drinking it with pills when the time comes, though apparently that just makes one vomit. Going for the BBQ idea instead. Which is less romantic, to say the least. What poet ever suicided himself with two disposable BBQs?

443973 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #462 of 1778 🔗

Very sorry to hear this and I know how you feel as I’ve been going through roughly the same as you.

444113 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #463 of 1778 🔗

Sorry to hear this also Bart. Hopefully spring brings better times for all of us.

444194 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #464 of 1778 🔗

Agree. KBO to both of us.

443992 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #465 of 1778 🔗

I’m feeling the same. What is the point of life anymore?

444106 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #466 of 1778 🔗

Hey Redundant if you are nearby Glasgow drop me a PM. Seem to be going through similar things!

444328 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #467 of 1778 🔗

Unfortunately I’m probably about as far away from Glasgow as possible in this country. Stick with it though. We are all here for each other, and these guys have helped me through some very very dark days. Some days are better, just hold on to that.

444008 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #468 of 1778 🔗

Sorry to read this JH. If you’re anywhere near Essex, there’d be a welcome from a rather stroppy cafe owner …

444076 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, 4, #469 of 1778 🔗

I do intend to pop in at some point KH. Hopefully this summer when it heats up i’ll make the journey!

444553 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 1, #470 of 1778 🔗

I think I’ve said before that I intend to visit kh’s cafe when sitting in is “allowed”. I’d probably take the train to Audley End and it’s a two mile walk from there. I’ve had a look on Google Street View and the B1052 seems to have a pavement all the way. Wenden Road is less busy but mostly doesn’t have a pavement. And I’ve identified your cafe from the snippets of information you’ve mentioned here!

443923 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 33, #471 of 1778 🔗

So, Karen, let me get this straight.

You want me to stick something into my body that I don’t particularly want in there to make you feel better? And you call it my civic duty?

Well, what if I wanted to stick something into your body that you didn’t particularly want in there because it would make ME feel better? And you would call that rape, no doubt.

443928 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #472 of 1778 🔗

It’s just a little prick…

443935 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #473 of 1778 🔗

Who’s been talking? It’s the same argument, though, philosophically.

443937 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #474 of 1778 🔗

😅 😅 😅

443938 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #475 of 1778 🔗

And, you didn’t even ask them to stick it in !

443926 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 27, #476 of 1778 🔗

Be alert! Watch out for the coming new variant. Its distinctive features are that it is completely undetectable, resistant to the ‘vaccines’ and highly infectious. It will only be discovered if too many people ignore lockdown, social distancing and mask wearing.

It is scheduled to be ‘officially’ discovered just before 21st June and is called the ‘Sage Variant’.

You have been warned.

443987 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to flyingjohn, 6, #477 of 1778 🔗

I’m waiting for the ‘Sceptic Variant’ then they will encourage the people to hunt us down.

444018 ▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #478 of 1778 🔗

I’m waiting for the Martian Variant.

444223 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #479 of 1778 🔗

In Antarctica now, having been delivered by meteorite.

443927 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #480 of 1778 🔗

Morning. Does anybody feel like posting a comment on here, perhaps a link to the open letter for schools or the laworfiction site or something that shows the sheeple they can withdraw consent?

I hate the Newbury Weekly News, they are total poison. they will almost certainly remove any comments they don’t like. This is what they usualy do and hardly anybody ever comments apart from the 77th.

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/33872/what-you-need-to-know-about-your-child-s-return-to-school.html

WARNING: This article contains images that might offend, cause harm and upset.

444169 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, #482 of 1778 🔗

yes that one I would post myself but you need to sign in with a social media account.

445056 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #483 of 1778 🔗

I was able to go straight in.

?

445444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, #484 of 1778 🔗

I can’t see a comment there?

445464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 1, #485 of 1778 🔗

Ah, the Newbury Nobhead. Sorry, I thought you meant the Medical Freedom Alliance site. 🙁

443948 mojo, replying to mojo, 54, #486 of 1778 🔗

When will people start talking about the real reasons for lockdown. The destruction of Western economies, the destruction of small independent business and the devastation of lives.

the Globalists want full control of the West. When they get that control the rest of the world will fall under Communist Chinese Control. Until we have a debate about the real reasons flu season was turned into Covid scaremongering so typical of the modern left, Democracy will die on the pike of fear.

Brexit and Trump exposed the long term plans of DAVOS man. Their anger and venom know no bounds. The Deep State in America control the Democrat party and half the Republican Party. The Civil Service in UK control the Tories and Labour. The Globalists control Brussels, Deep State and Civil Service. Until these corruptions are fully exposed there will be a march down a road of extinction for the citizens of the West. Do not think by standing as the useful soldiers of these men, the commentators and politicians will be pardoned. They will not. We are now in the fight of our lives for moral justice and strong Western patriotism.

The majority of the journalists, commentators and chattering groups are too scared to speak the truth, to scared of losing their platform and their income, to scared of being on the outside of the establishment and too scared of leading from the front. We all need to support President Trump and his young supporters in Congress. He is the true leader of the free world. We also need to search out a true leader to take us away from Brussels, UN and the Globalists. We do not have that leader in the present Establishment. We have dangerous cowards too frightened to upset the Dragon.

443960 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mojo, 17, #487 of 1778 🔗

Great post mojo. So true

the real reasons for lockdown. The destruction of Western economies, the destruction of small independent business and the devastation of lives.

443978 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to mojo, 36, #488 of 1778 🔗

Absolutely.

I used to think of Trump as a twat (you guys might have realised by now I use this word a lot). But this last year has really opened my eyes and now I see what he was trying to do. Withdrawing from WHO was totally the right thing to do, one of many things he did that I misunderstood at the time.

We have no one here to lead us. Sir Charles Walker is the obvious choice or David Kurten perhaps. Maybe even Dr Reiner Fuellmich, he’d make a great leader.

443997 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Redundant Pilot, 26, #489 of 1778 🔗

My cousin in California said back in 2016 that she was going to hold her nose and vote for Trump. I think a lot of people felt that way. Glenn Beck, a radio show host really didn’t like him back then, but he, along with very many people, came to be a real supporter.
Unlike Obama, who lost around 3 million voters between 2008 and 2012, Trump gained at least 11 million, with the highest vote from black and Hispanic voters for a Republican candidate in more than sixty years.

Almost everything said about Trump in the MSM has been a lie. And it’s because he stood in their way.

444184 ▶▶▶ concrete68, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #490 of 1778 🔗

Your belief in the great leader theory undermines any credence in this tosh. Anyone, anyone, in power simply exists after the initial period to reinforce their own power . We don’t need any more strong men or women. We need individuals and small scale collective action independent of global or national governments.

444322 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to concrete68, 5, #491 of 1778 🔗

Although you are right, you still need a leader of sorts. Otherwise all that happens is the collective action never sorts itself out and they end up debating/discussing without actually doing anything. Look at the HART group for example. Lots of great people, but are they actually doing anything? No spokesperson, no real heart (get it 😀 ).

444203 ▶▶ concrete68, replying to mojo, 1, #492 of 1778 🔗

As a senior civil servant I find your idea of us being in charge amusing. The rest is just silly. As for Trump in charge of a free world. ….cripes…….has his whole life been just a cover for delivering liberty and prosperity? All those casinos and golf courses and bankruptcy’s just testing grounds for a theory of smashing the establishment? Does he speak the truth to power when his family garner contracts and influence…the answer is obvious. He is just like the rest of them. He will steal your money and your home but unlike the others he won’t hide the fact

444252 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to mojo, -4, #493 of 1778 🔗

Brexit exposed nothing.
OK, maybe English xenophobia, but that didn’t need any additional exposure.
Trump is a narcissistoc moron who went into politics solely to take revenge on Obama humiliating him publicly.
And yes, he won.
Trumpism addressed what you state, but it was created by Bannon and it
is here to stay, depending on the damage Dems now create and Trump staying in the background and supporting DeSantis and/or Noem.

443952 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, #494 of 1778 🔗

Is there a way of reading Telegraph articles without a subscription? Always loads of them ATL which I can’t access.

443964 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #495 of 1778 🔗

Press “Esc” twice as the page loads.

Might take a few tries: I got lucky second time just now.

443969 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Ossettian, #496 of 1778 🔗

Thank you! Although I’m on an iPad, will have to dust off the laptop.

443989 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #497 of 1778 🔗

get some form of scriptblocker seems to work as well

443991 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #498 of 1778 🔗

You can also put them into the internet archive, that works too. archive.org/web/

444057 ▶▶ mj, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #499 of 1778 🔗

in browser settings disable javascript for the telegraph.co.uk site. this lets you in but you dont see functionality dependent on java (for example comments or photos)

443953 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 25, #500 of 1778 🔗

And she looks so happy to be in her own safe space…..

443965 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Biggles, 5, #501 of 1778 🔗

I hope the germs on her keyboard kill her 🤬

444012 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Biggles, 3, #502 of 1778 🔗

I hope no-one licks her donuts!

444181 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biggles, 6, #503 of 1778 🔗

This is her sister

444272 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biggles, 3, #504 of 1778 🔗

I’d imagine farting might be problematic.

443961 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 27, #505 of 1778 🔗

The owner of the Prophecy Gym closed by Liverpool CC (referred to ATL) is standing as an independent candidate in the May local elections.
https://uk.gofundme.com/f/nathan-deasha-for-the-peoples-liberty
More like him, please!

443963 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BTLnewbie, 5, #506 of 1778 🔗

Very good!

More people should do that

443980 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BTLnewbie, 5, #507 of 1778 🔗

Unfortunately, it won’t change anything at national level.
Boris’s cabinet has given itself emergency powers for two years. Furlough is extended until September, and didn’t Boris himself say, back in December,January, there’d be no lifting of lockdown until September?

443966 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 10, #508 of 1778 🔗

https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/02/america-will-be-in-lockdown-as-long-as-dr-fauci-is-a-god/

“Viral infections, Fauci said, must be “to a baseline that’s so low it is virtually no threat” to even consider normality. Then he went on to raise hysteria about new variants, which will allow Fauci to extend the lockdown timeline indefinitely.

There’ll always be a new variant around the corner. There’ll always be another excuse for a new lockdown. That’s the precedent that’s been set. That’s the new normal, even as one professor at Johns Hopkins University estimates the United States will reach herd immunity by April.

On masks, Fauci says Americans ought to prepare to wear them through 2022. In fact, he went on the “Today” show to teach Americans how to wear two masks just less than a year later after infamously telling the public in March 2020, “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask.”

Vaccination status, on the other hand, doesn’t render a golden ticket for Americans to return to restaurants and movie theatres in Fauci’s world, or even to drop the mask.

On protests last summer, such as the militant Black Lives Matter protests excused and encouraged by leftist reporters and politicians, the nation’s preeminent COVID authority told House lawmakers, “I’m not in a position to determine what the government can do in a forceful way,” then demanded church choirs shut their mouths.

Fauci has been critical of governors who rebuke his demands while propping up leftist governors who obeyed them, much to their expense.

“We know that when you do it properly, you bring down those cases. We have done it. We have done it in New York,” Fauci told PBS in July, touting Gov. Andrew Cuomo for the next six months before legacy media finally picked up on the governor’s nursing home scandal, the severity of which Cuomo covered up.

But the numbers don’t lie. New York is home to the highest death rate in the country.”

Any of this sound familiar??

443968 ▶▶ jb12, replying to LMS2, 1, #509 of 1778 🔗

But I thought this was all a conspiracy to get Biden in!

443981 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to LMS2, 4, #510 of 1778 🔗

Fauci is the new Mengele

444023 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to LMS2, 5, #511 of 1778 🔗

All the people showering Cuomo with praise a few weeks ago, are now calling him out as the bad guy. I think Fauci might be next.

444098 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to LMS2, 3, #512 of 1778 🔗

As long as Fauci has his <ahem> bathhouses for medical research then he is sorted

443967 C S, replying to C S, 8, #513 of 1778 🔗

Professor Jonas Ludvigsson, announced that he would stop all further research on Covid-19 after a campaign of abuse and harassment following his study on the low threat that the virus poses to children and teachers. The country is ramping up protections for academics to combat such cancelling campaign.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/sweden-moves-protect-academic-freedom-after-prof-quits-covid-research-due-harassment

444239 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to C S, 2, #514 of 1778 🔗

Why do not the authorities simply pursue and then prosecute those conducting the campaign of harassment . With all the technical aids security services have these days this should be no problem .
A severe and very public punishment on abusers, with the message : you can run but you can’t hide, should put an instant stoip to this harassment.
Unless of course parts of the Swedish Govt want to see the harassment continue and maybe is the origin of it, albeit surreptitiously.

443976 John, replying to John, 6, #515 of 1778 🔗

For those who highlight the side effects of the vaccine I politely suggest accessing the BNF on line and look at the side effects of some of the drugs that are regularly taken.
If you saw the side effects of a regularly prescribed anti depressant such as Sertraline you’d probably not want to take it. Statins are notorious for side effects, which is why I decline having it.
In the USA when medication is advertised on TV, whether for humans or animals, they list all of the possible side effects, including death, this is for everything from paracetamol through to statins.

443982 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to John, 17, #516 of 1778 🔗

Any coercion involved?

Is a register kept of those who refuse these drugs?

Are people denied their freedom or access to services if they decline?

443985 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John, 7, #517 of 1778 🔗

and then there are puberty blockers for children, which, imho, has been the testing ground for the creation of lifelong big pharma “customers”

444009 ▶▶ nic, replying to John, 6, #518 of 1778 🔗

Agree I have taken sertraline a horrible experience, yet doctors give these drugs out like sweets.

444032 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John, 4, #519 of 1778 🔗

Sadly pharmaceutical drugs only treat symptoms and not the underlying cause

444377 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to John, 1, #520 of 1778 🔗

I wonder how many would have the mRNA vaccines if they read this article….

https://www.afinalwarning.com/500036.html

Research links mRNA to likely increase in blood cancer, lymphatic cancer and breast cancer by suppressing body’s natural suppression of such cancers..

443983 fiery, replying to fiery, 10, #521 of 1778 🔗

I received my summons for the jab yesterday. Haven’t opened it and don’t intend to but I’m wondering will I keep receiving letters until they get a response. Have blocked GPs number on my mobile and all 0300 numbers connected with the NHS. I never answer calls to my landline and the GP and NHS don’t have my email address. Have thought about ticking the box marked addressee no longer at this address and returning the letter but worry this might backfire and increase the likelihood of someone knocking at the door. Has anyone else totally ignored letters, texts, emails and phone calls.

444004 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to fiery, 6, #522 of 1778 🔗

I’ve had one text message from my GP about 3 weeks ago. I declined and asked which one they were proposing to administer so I could do a proper risk analysis. Haven’t heard from them since.

444011 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to fiery, 9, #523 of 1778 🔗

I got a text last week (ignored) then a phone call yesterday from the GP surgery (also ignored).

My partner got a text last week (ignored) and a letter yesterday (burnt in log burner)

Am awaiting to see their next move……

444026 ▶▶ isobar, replying to fiery, 8, #524 of 1778 🔗

My wife and I had a text message a month ago from our GP practice and our ‘call up’ papers from the NHS 3 weeks ago. We didn’t respond to either and since then nothing.

444087 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to fiery, 5, #525 of 1778 🔗

I told them I recently had a severe reaction to polyethelyne glycol in handwash so was not eligible

444119 ▶▶ TomFaz, replying to fiery, 5, #526 of 1778 🔗

Got phonecall from my GP surgery yesterday to make vaccine appointment to which I said no thanks – their only follow up was to ask if I’d made arrangements elsewhere. Said no and they just said “We’ll put you down as declined”. And that was it. No attempt to sell it at all. They made more of an effort earlier in the winter when they offered me the flu jab (for the first time ever).

443984 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 16, #527 of 1778 🔗

We start again today with 2 items we don’t want to know then we get the good news in Texas. However, I would like to highlight Richy’s link – just below -to Reiner Fuellmich who is the greatest champion we have. We need to follow the progress of his case closely as I am not sure who he is bringing his class action against. One of our legal minds could take this story on and give us an update regularly, perhaps. If Reiner succeeds as he has done with big guns many times, we will all live in a better world.

444020 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bungle, 8, #528 of 1778 🔗

Thanks Bungle.

I happened across a figure this morning for how much VW have paid out thanks to his teams work on the emmissions scandal. Over 33 billion dollars apparently. Lord knows how much he cost DeutscheBank after their scandal.

His transcript can be downloaded as a pdf too, which is easier to save.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjgi9bB7JPvAhVESRUIHcubC4MQFjAAegQIAhAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aeginagreece.com%2Faegina-island%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F12%2FTranscript-testimony-Reiner-Fuellmich-.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2RzzarXGvb5Ks3nyRVuuIK .

or type intp your search engine: Time to Bring Justice Reiner Fuellmich

444079 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #529 of 1778 🔗

Don’t worry M8, I’ve made my edited version for my weekly family handout. I promised them I would say nothing all week so long as they spent 10 minutes on Sunday reading what I have put together. This week it’s Reiner and the schools legal letter which I will share with all of you tomorrow when I’ve cut it down to a manageable size. Can I encourage others to take action and stop using language which is designed to annoy some group or another?

444096 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Bungle, 3, #530 of 1778 🔗

Oooo, Bungle is this something you’d share with us? I’m just thinking it might be something we could all send to sheep in the family. I understand though if you rather not!

444031 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bungle, 8, #531 of 1778 🔗

I believe the class action is against a fact checker to start. Basically they have to defend their fact check on posts made regarding PCR fraud. That means drawing it into the open and in Germany their is a discovery phase to to class action. They need to basically show their evidence that PCR works as intended for mass screening. They can’t of course, and that decision forms the back bone to all other sorts of actions

Would like to know the timeline though. Really need to hear some hopeful noises

444107 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #532 of 1778 🔗

Thanks, that’s a great help. I wrote a ‘brief’ on PCR for Carl Heneghan last October.This was his response: “It’s a good brief. I would publish it as It clearly explains the current problem with pcr. Many thanks. Carl. Carl Heneghan.”

444049 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Bungle, 13, #533 of 1778 🔗

He and his team are amazing. From what I understand cases are being brought all over the world by other teams of lawyers that he has provided the info for. But I think he is starting in Germany and also California (I think).

I strongly believe (hope), that if he wins in Germany then the rest of the world cannot argue against it. Especially the EU, as Germany is part of the EU after all. Just look at how his win against VW meant everyone had a claim against them, it didn’t matter where he won the case.

I actually think he is our ONLY hope. Things have got too big and too global for any MP to help at government level. This has to be done by criminal prosecution.

444109 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #534 of 1778 🔗

Cheers!

444056 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, 6, #535 of 1778 🔗

Agreed – I’ve often thought this myself. It would be most useful if someone with legal expertise, or just the necessary background knowledge, could give us regular updates on this.

Reiner Fuellmich is the sort of guy you want on your side, and it struck me months ago when he started that if anyone is going to take this lot down it is him.

444167 ▶▶ Sceptic Al, replying to Bungle, 7, #536 of 1778 🔗

Absolutely. Fuellmichs far reaching case is THE KEY to unlock us from the Technocrats tyranny. He will nail ALL those complicit. Wish there were more updates on progress, but there’s a huge amount of evidence to gather. Nuremburg Trials 2.0 will be a joy to watch. Just think of the $Trillions of asset to reclaim, and we get a happy, sane, free world too!!

444000 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 1, #537 of 1778 🔗

You mean, however good the data *get*.

Yes, I know I’m being a pedant.

444050 ▶▶ jb12, replying to mattghg, #538 of 1778 🔗

Isn’t ‘data’ a collective noun in this case?

444124 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to jb12, 1, #539 of 1778 🔗

I’m not sure what you mean. ‘Data’ is the plural of ‘datum’.

444278 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mattghg, 1, #540 of 1778 🔗

Yep- I sympathise with you even if nobody else does, Matt.

444299 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #541 of 1778 🔗

A collective noun is a group of things taken as a whole, such as ‘the science’. Grammatically, it is rendered in the singular. So I am asking: in this case, is ‘data’ not referring to the data as a whole rather than all of the datum separately?

Edit: Sorry, Dermot. That was for Matt, obviously.

444326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to jb12, 1, #542 of 1778 🔗

I don’t see how. ‘Data’ is grammatically plural. There’s no singular form for which ‘science’ is the corresponding plural. ‘Science’ is singular and it has a corresponding plural: ‘sciences’.

444419 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to mattghg, #543 of 1778 🔗

Yes, but ‘the science’ as used by the government is a collective noun in which they represent many scientific voices as a single group. Similarly for ‘data’ in the headline.

You have already said that ‘data’ is plural of ‘datum’. I presume your correction of the headline is picking up on that when you want to render the sentence ‘…data get.’ I am saying that (or asking if, if you like) ‘data’ is a collective noun. So while ‘data’ is morphologically plural, in this case, it is grammatically singular as it refers to an imagination of the various and numerous datum as a singular entity, all speaking towards the same conclusion.

444449 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to jb12, #544 of 1778 🔗

I don’t understand the distinction you’re trying to draw between ‘morphological’ and ‘grammatical’ plurality. Collective nouns like ‘team’, ‘group’, ‘class’ are all—unlike ‘data’—grammatically singular . What’s interesting is that they can (but need not) nevertheless be used* with plural agreement (‘the class is’ or ‘the class are’), because they are semantically plural. But what we have here is a grammatically plural noun, ‘data’, being used with singular agreement. That’s not the same.

* In British English, anyway. Plural agreement with these nouns doesn’t work so well in American English.

444478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to mattghg, #545 of 1778 🔗

‘Morphological’ refers to ‘data’ itself taking plural form when referring to a singular entity; by ‘grammatically singular’, I mean its verb is conjugated in the singular form. As I have been suggesting, ‘data’ in this case is not a plural noun.

Anyway, we’ll agree to disagree. I have made my point and I have provided a reference below in reply to Dermot, so I have no more to say.

444327 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #546 of 1778 🔗

Thanks Dermot!

444425 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mattghg, #547 of 1778 🔗

We grammar-fascists must stick together! If “data” were a collective noun, we’d be talking about “a data of datums”, wouldn’t we?

444448 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #548 of 1778 🔗

I just looked it up (on Wikipedia, I know) and:

‘The Associated Press style guide classifies data as a collective noun that takes the singular when treated as a unit but the plural when referring to individual items (e.g., “The data is sound” and “The data have been carefully collected.)

And no, a collective noun doesn’t have to take the form ‘a pride of lions; a gaggle of geese’ etc.

Data can also be a mass noun, but as far as I remember, a mass noun takes the singular anyway.

Edit: forgot the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_(word)

445194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to jb12, #549 of 1778 🔗

“Datum” is singular. “Data” are plural. Stop digging.

444003 isobar, replying to isobar, 35, #550 of 1778 🔗

Phenomenal pushback by DM readers against compulsory ‘vaccinations’ of NHS staff.
‘NHS staff could be forced to have Covid jab: Radical plan is being considered for thousands of medical staff who turn down the vaccine… but what if they STILL refuse?’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9318345/NHS-staff-forced-Covid-jab-radical-plans-reviewed-ministers.html

Best rated readers comment

What was unthinkable just a year ago is now happening. Obligatory vaccinations, Covid passports, never ending lockdowns…the 1984 new normal is here.

 2159 upticks 227 downticks

Second best rated readers comment

How can they even discuss making it compulsory when the pharma companies don’t accept any liability?! Disgusting and inhuman. Your body your choice.

1777 upticks 117 downticks

444024 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to isobar, 15, #551 of 1778 🔗

Bring it on. This is a battle that has to happen now.

444048 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #552 of 1778 🔗

Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us …

Take out the Empire bit, and these words are just as applicable today as they were back in 1940.

444054 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to isobar, 10, #553 of 1778 🔗

If I was being really cynical, I’d say that if the NHS has a staffing collapse, it can blame lockdown deaths on anti vaxxers.

444068 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #554 of 1778 🔗

Mark me down as a “don’t care” too

444073 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to isobar, 5, #555 of 1778 🔗

The majority of comments on our local FB rag is full of rage and despair over lockdown and vaccines.

444101 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #556 of 1778 🔗

That’s good to know, more and more people have simply had enough and can see through the lies whilst at the same time objecting to the coercion.

444105 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to isobar, 3, #557 of 1778 🔗

Daily Mail comments are always difficult to gauge. The DM had a poll (1500 participants) recently suggesting that people were pro-vaccine passports and continued mask wearing yet the comments suggest the opposite. It is also interesting that as soon as the end of WFH is suggested there is an avalanche of comments saying they do not want this to end. To me, this indicates many are actually quite happy with parts of lockdown life even though they don’t actually fear the virus. They want everything else to reopen (pubs, cafes, gyms etc) but not their own workplaces. I cannot see that being resolved very easily. It was bad enough last summer when ‘cases’/deaths were almost zero and will not be any better this time round. I do understand that WFH works for a lot of companies and individuals but if a proper recovery is to happen much of it will have to be dispensed with.

444127 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 9, #558 of 1778 🔗

I don’t disagree, but I get the feeling that since mid-Jan the readers comments have been increasingly more and more hostile so something has changed. Probably a combination of things. No holidays, new variants being pulled out of the bag, Queen getting involved, Bel Mooney story, ‘vaccine’ coercion, ‘beauty contest’ between scientists saying increasing threatening things to get publicity, etc etc.

444005 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 22, #559 of 1778 🔗

A lot of us here are really struggling at the moment. Some of us have good days, then really bad days. This group keeps a lot of us going.

A thought I had was, is there a way of those of us that are near enough to each other to meet up? A chat and a coffee with another sane person might be all it takes to get us all through this.

The only problem is how do we get into contact with each other as to where we are or meet without the 77th knowing all about us?

I know for instance from posts that at least two of you on here are in my neck of the woods (within an hours drive) and in fact one of you lives in the area where I used to live!

Has anyone any thoughts or suggestions on this?

444025 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Redundant Pilot, 5, #560 of 1778 🔗

Go for it. Keeps me (semi-)sane.

Informal meet-ups with one or two others, you could arrange using the message facility on here.

Organised groups in your area almost certainly exist. KBF, FreedomNetwork, SaveOurRIghts, WhiteRose, etc. etc.

444040 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #561 of 1778 🔗

How about setting up a LS Telegram group? Sorry if this is a stupid idea, but I’m not very techy-minded. I’ve already met a few from this site – posters and non-posters alike (lovely people). And, I can provide coffee!

444117 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to kh1485, #562 of 1778 🔗

I thought that too, particularly in terms of a back up in case anything happens to the site.
Worth noting that anyone can join telegram groups.

444280 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mic67, #563 of 1778 🔗

already a lockdown sceptics on telegram – I just found it – seems good
only 122 subs – is this you lot?

444431 ▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Crystal Decanter, #564 of 1778 🔗

i just had a look and i think it is associated to this website. There’s a link which when selected redirects to this LS website

444120 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to kh1485, #565 of 1778 🔗

A telegram group is a really good idea!

444158 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #566 of 1778 🔗

There is already a private Gab group for peeps who are here

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

which is a tad more secluded than all the other Gab lockdown groups (of which I peruse also)

444183 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crystal Decanter, #567 of 1778 🔗

I was on that but there didn’t seem to be much happening …

444176 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 1, #568 of 1778 🔗

I’m in – only problem with Telegram is that it can expose your phone number if you don’t get the settings right
However the Telegram desktop is the business

444060 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Redundant Pilot, #569 of 1778 🔗

Riverside fish shop Ilkley, 4pm usually.

444256 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Bungle, #570 of 1778 🔗

Ah…know it well!

444066 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Redundant Pilot, #571 of 1778 🔗

Get on Telegram

444085 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Crystal Decanter, #572 of 1778 🔗

Right, looking into it.

444122 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Redundant Pilot, #573 of 1778 🔗

I found freedom network really good only place i’ve actually met people offline. Find a hub | The Freedom Network

444151 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Redundant Pilot, #574 of 1778 🔗

Just search for “the great reopening” and you will find all the goodies

444072 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Redundant Pilot, #575 of 1778 🔗

Are you in Devon? I’m in the SW, near the border with the Celts.

444084 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to TJN, #576 of 1778 🔗

Yes on the Somerset/Devon border. It’s long so I can say that 🙂

444111 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Redundant Pilot, #577 of 1778 🔗

Devon is a big county. And bugger all covid in it.

444125 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to TJN, #578 of 1778 🔗

Tell me about it. Didn’t the Exeter MP say they’ve got 49 cases per 100,000 and we all know ‘cases’ are bollocks!

444149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #579 of 1778 🔗

Yes, and Exeter is a hotbed of infection compared with most of the rest of the county.

Try zooming in on the map here:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map

Most of Devon, and Cornwall, is white – ‘fewer than 3 cases, i.e. no covid.

And we’re fucking ‘locked down’.

444182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to TJN, 1, #580 of 1778 🔗

Yup just checked and my area and all around it are white……

fucking unbelievable, it was never white not even in the first lockdown.

444267 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to TJN, 4, #581 of 1778 🔗

Same in my part of Devon, just below Exeter. And you still see idiots driving their cars, windows up, wearing masks and anal examination gloves. Total twats but it does lighten up my day 🙂

444128 ▶▶▶▶▶ willhhand, replying to TJN, #582 of 1778 🔗

I know. I live on East Dartmoor. No masks. All pretty much normal except the pubs are shut etc.

444153 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to willhhand, #583 of 1778 🔗

I’m the other side. Loads of masks.

444178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to TJN, #584 of 1778 🔗

See that’s three of us, and I know Steve is in the area too.

Im looking at Telegram and seeing what I can sort.

444205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Redundant Pilot, #585 of 1778 🔗

There are some in Cornwall, and at least one other in Plymouth.

444437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #586 of 1778 🔗

i’m not so far up the M5 mway and often come down to devon way!

444480 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #587 of 1778 🔗

I do love Whacky Races. Got the three DVD set here. And Stop that Pigeon.

444597 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TJN, 1, #588 of 1778 🔗

I have a few on video tape, recorded from TV. And a Dick Dastardly car!

444629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Edward, 1, #589 of 1778 🔗

Wow! Awesome.

444663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TJN, 1, #590 of 1778 🔗

I wonder what it would fetch on eBay? – not that I’m planning to sell!

444320 ▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #591 of 1778 🔗

I’m in Mid Devon council area. Would be good to meet up with some normal people.

444133 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Redundant Pilot, #592 of 1778 🔗

use the forum

444211 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #593 of 1778 🔗

Private message on the forum, link at top of page.

444279 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Annie, #594 of 1778 🔗

Doh, didn’t even know you could do that!

444464 ▶▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Redundant Pilot, #595 of 1778 🔗

RP – i’ve tried to send a test message to your username – haven’t a clue if the forum private message actually works as looks a bit flakey, but thought i’d give it a try

444222 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #596 of 1778 🔗

We are going in the van somewhere when we are allowed. If you would like to meet up send me a pm. We could do with a plan. The Somerset/Devon border area sounds great.

444582 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Redundant Pilot, #597 of 1778 🔗

Anyone in London?

444953 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Bart Simpson, #598 of 1778 🔗

Or Somerset?

444006 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #599 of 1778 🔗

It’s funny, that the people who consider themselves to be “Globalists”, are the ones who want to increase draconian travel restrictions and make passporting, even stricter.

444041 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #600 of 1778 🔗

The “Globalists” will take whatever form is most appropriate at the time. They will be capitalists, fascists, communists, trans activists, environmentalists or whatever works best at any moment in time to control people and expand their power while exposing themselves as little as possible. Absolute control of everybody is their aim nothing else. I have never read icke only disparaging comments about him but this does make me think of shape shifting lizards. Willing to take any form but remaining largely camouflaged.

444081 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #601 of 1778 🔗

I see it as a hijacking of the term “Globalism”, by monopolists. They’ve also hijacked environmentalism, to shape it in a way that suits their business interests.

444204 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #602 of 1778 🔗

“I have never read icke only disparaging comments about him”

I would say read some of My Ickes books he has written LOADS of them, pick one, any one will do but “The Trigger” is good, so is “The Biggest Secret”.

After you have read one or two, then perhaps come back with an informed opinion.

444099 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #603 of 1778 🔗

Only for the masses.They will still be able to move freely.

444013 nic, replying to nic, 16, #604 of 1778 🔗

Iam starting to hate the medical profession bunch of tin Gods!

444033 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to nic, 14, #605 of 1778 🔗

Yep, they believe that going to Medical school makes the Demi Gods and their word is law. They are not use to being questioned or answered back. I don’t think my GP likes me any more because I question her and will argue against her, when her word is gospel.

444058 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Smelly Melly, 16, #606 of 1778 🔗

Having spent forty years in dental practice tiptoeing diplomatically around the ignorance and arrogance of the medical profession, I agree with this assessment entirely. Of course an important part of the reason why they are accustomed to acting like demigods who must not be questioned or contradicted is RNHS, the payment model of which means that patients, rather than being perceived by doctors as customers, are regarded, and treated, as mendicants.

444281 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 4, #607 of 1778 🔗

Is this not inherent in collective, state-run healthcare? How can you meaningfully have a provider-customer relationship when you answer to a central national paymaster and don’t need to care what any particular victim thinks of you and the service you provide?

444034 James Leary #KBF, 12, #608 of 1778 🔗

I watched the Lucy Worsley thing on the Blitz Spirit last night.

The then Ministry of Information rule book is still in use today, apparently.

The Government issued everybody with gas masks knowing they were unlikely to be used, but the number of people carrying them was a useful guide to the government as to how many people were doing what they were told.

Sound familiar?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000sm7s

444046 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 7, #609 of 1778 🔗

If it turns out that the first jab finished off many very frail over 80’s, and that the vast majority of the ”died with covid” had simply reached the natural end of their lives and would have died anyway, then…

The current fast drop in ”with covid” deaths is from an artificial high caused by ”died early by vaccine ” deaths – and those scheduled to die of old age now have already ”died early by vaccine ”

444210 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Major Panic, 3, #610 of 1778 🔗

Just seen the link to this article provided BTL on OffGuardian

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/

There is strong evidence that during a recent five week vaccination period in Israel the Pfizer vaccine killed 40x more old people than would have died in the same period from covid, and 260x more young people.

444051 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 14, #611 of 1778 🔗

Ok, if you follow say, the likes of David Icke, and his prediction of the “end game” (and he has been correct to date so far..) it is a new medical- technocratic prison grid of vaccines, lock downs and new digital currency. I have seen nothing over the last year to suggest that this is not the end game.
Endless furlough, eventual UBI, you betcha there will be strings attached.
Let`s “robin hood” the f**kers out of existence with “freedom hubs” , building real time community and economic links, the public “outing” of these globalist stasi whilst the building of real individual assets has never been greater. They can only control you if you submit (like Hitchens).

444061 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to nickbowes, 7, #612 of 1778 🔗

I agree. The bottom line: the only thing they understand.

444062 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to nickbowes, 2, #613 of 1778 🔗

Could also be a self fulfilling prophecy in that a lot of these nutters in Government are well aware of the Gospel according to Icke and then took the opportunity when it arose based on his ramblings
In fact- he may have given them a lot of ideas

444071 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #614 of 1778 🔗

Just read Schwab’s “Covid-19: The Great Reset”. As far as I can tell everything is going to his plan. I’ll never vote for him (or Princess Nut Nuts) again.

444148 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Katabasis, #615 of 1778 🔗

Maybe- maybe not
I just don’t think shouting conspiracy is helpful
This is war and optics matter

444080 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to nickbowes, 13, #616 of 1778 🔗

I posted a link earlier this week where one of the “worthies” in Ireland was looking to see if anyone who was protesting in Dublin at the weekend was in receipt of unemployment payments. You can see where this is heading – you protest, you starve.

444193 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #617 of 1778 🔗

Remind the “worthies” of 1789 , the Revolution and the Terror:
You protest – you starve – and then you kill

444052 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 20, #618 of 1778 🔗

I had an enjoyable phone chat the other day with a friend in her 80s. She is furious at lockdown destroying the small business she runs. She says the problem is that people now worship science instead of following a religion and won’t accept life is full of risks and we all must die eventually.

She told me a friend of hers knew Boris Johnson as a child and said he needed a good spanking then and still does. Apparently his parents thought he could do no wrong.

She remembers the flu in the 50’s and 60’s and thinks SAGE are crazy.

444059 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #619 of 1778 🔗

I wish people did actually worship science because then we’d constantly see nothing but caveats, error bars, sample size, stratification and questions about reproducability

444064 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #620 of 1778 🔗

Indeed. “The Science” and the NHS are now gods we must appease to the detriment of absolutely everything else. This cult has proved to be all conquering.

444094 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #621 of 1778 🔗

People don’t worship science. Most people would not recognise science if it slapped them round the face, its just a word they use devoid of all meaning.

Science is not the problem here – it is merely a tool. Evil is the problem and that is what people are worshipping now in its many forms. Evil will wield any tool that works – both science and religion have been used as tools by evil to do harm.

444065 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 19, #622 of 1778 🔗

Testing station in the Netherlands damaged by an explosion.
We do not stand alone.

444078 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #623 of 1778 🔗

Have the Bros been out there?

444083 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to TJN, 5, #624 of 1778 🔗

The chemical brothers?

444104 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #625 of 1778 🔗

I await an update from Bruce …

444102 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #626 of 1778 🔗

The BAMES can be weaponized in this struggle
They don’t want the vaccine and the state are terrified of them

444112 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #627 of 1778 🔗

Oh dear, the state have been rather hoist by their own petard on that one, haven’t they ….

444241 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to kh1485, 7, #628 of 1778 🔗

As Oscar said, it takes a heart of stone not to piss yourself laughing about this, doesn’t it?

444254 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to kh1485, 5, #629 of 1778 🔗

I agree, BLM should be out protesting that they should not have to have the “vaccine”!

444246 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip, #630 of 1778 🔗

I bet they used one of these….Crazy crazy people….They do this as a tradition, carbide cannons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRx9dHHcB8I

444274 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Two-Six, #631 of 1778 🔗

FRIGHTENING!

444634 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #632 of 1778 🔗

The rioters destroyed one back in January so this isn’t surprising.

444069 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 18, #633 of 1778 🔗

In the spirit of trying to be more positive.

Florida and South Dakota is open. Texas are dropping the mandate and are due to fully open shortly. Cuomo the NYC governer is in a world of trouble and likely to be kicked out if he doesn’t resign beforehand.

Republican counties are getting back to some level of normalcy with democrat states living through what we are experiencing. I think we can all now agree that America is the greatest democracy ever created?

Surely, this will put immense pressure on the UK to open up?

444091 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #634 of 1778 🔗

Towards the end of last year there were occasional stories in the MSM about how the healthcare system in South Dakota/Florida etc was “on the verge of collapse”. (Funny how it’s always “on the verge of collapse” – what does that actually mean?) I haven’t seen those for a while.

Some days I feel despondent. Some days I feel like the house of cards is about to come tumbling down. You’re right – these are positive developments indeed.

444118 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to JHUNTZ, 16, #635 of 1778 🔗

Yes, that is the way i see it too. America (or indeed Poland or Italy or France) leads and we can hope to follow. Cannot believe that “Brexit” Britain – which was supposed to be an era of new freedoms and economic enlightenment has given us even an even more toxic rancid bunch of globalist political scum than we had before.

444201 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to nickbowes, 4, #636 of 1778 🔗

Brexit has become a nightmare now. I could really do with the free movement to work elsewhere.

444251 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to nickbowes, 4, #637 of 1778 🔗

The “take back control” mantra certainly has a different ring to it than I envisaged.

444408 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #638 of 1778 🔗

lol how true

444070 PhantomOfLiberty, 8, #639 of 1778 🔗

UK Data Show 402 Reports of Deaths Following COVID Vaccines
Government data show that, compared with the Pfizer vaccine, there have been 43% more reports of injuries related to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, including 77% more adverse events and 25% more deaths — but no red flags from UK regulators.

By
John Stone

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/uk-data-deaths-following-covid-vaccines/

444074 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 20, #640 of 1778 🔗

Reading others’ posts reminds me of my own recent experiences. I needed both a plumber and an electrician and phoned the insurance companies I’m registered with. I was asked was I isolating and did I have covid symptoms by both. One woman when taking my details asked had I had the vaccine by way of making conversation. What has the world come to when a plumber needs your medical history?

444088 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #641 of 1778 🔗

You’ll find the overwhelming majority of trades don’t give a damn about such things, we’re busy living life.

444100 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 15, #642 of 1778 🔗

Despite (or perhaps because of) their common lack of formal education, the trades have a far greater propensity for critical thinking than most of the professional classes, doctors included.

444138 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to TJN, 16, #643 of 1778 🔗

I’m going into people’s homes to do carpentry, I don’t have a mask only a respirator for cutting MDF and have no concerns beyond normal hygiene.
Surely I should be dead by now.

444641 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #644 of 1778 🔗

One of our neighbours is having his fencing replaced and the workmen doing it aren’t wearing any masks and are working cheek by jowl next to each other.

The only PPE they had are aprons or overcoats to keep their clothes free of paint stains.

444608 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TJN, 2, #645 of 1778 🔗

Because the tradespeople do as well as think. Those who only think lose the ability to relate their thinking to reality.

444221 ▶▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #646 of 1778 🔗

My neighbour has had seemingly endless amounts of tradesmen visiting their house this last month. Electricians, plumbers, painters, plasterers, gardeners etc etc. The only people ive seen next door without masks were some scaffolders. As I type they actually have autoglass around there replacing their car windscreen and the guy is fully masked up even though he`s outside in the cold fresh air replacing a windscreen. Crazy.

444165 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #647 of 1778 🔗

Insurance company covering their backs, second nature I expect.

444257 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to karenovirus, 5, #648 of 1778 🔗

Probably right. I remember that when we had double glazing fitted a while ago that the fitters turned up one day in hi-viz jackets. I asked them why and they said that their supervisor was coming round to check on things. So I then asked them why it was necessary for them to wear the jackets. The answer was “so that we don’t bump into each other”

444089 Katabasis, 9, #649 of 1778 🔗

To help maintain my sanity each day one of my copes is whenever I see someone refer to “The Science” itsreplaced with “The Situational Truth for today”.

444114 mj, replying to mj, 13, #650 of 1778 🔗

Just started new contract with big Financial Services company. Obviously work from home.
However an indication of how things will change. Previous to lockdown they were office based. No wfh. They are now looking at the post lockdown future way of working and I reckon they will end up as wfh with occasional trips to office.
Most office based companies are looking at this.
Means the death of the city centre. Companies will only need 25-30% of current office space.

444126 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to mj, 19, #651 of 1778 🔗

One of the elephants in the room, is the most expensive properties on the planet, have been standing empty for nearly a year, with no income from landlords. Who owns those properties? Banks, pension funds etc.

444137 ▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #652 of 1778 🔗

It’ll be turned into housing. They can cram more people on top of each over that way.

444146 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Wolver, 3, #653 of 1778 🔗

Yeah, a few friends have made the same comment

444292 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Al, replying to Wolver, 1, #654 of 1778 🔗

Convenient, isn’t it?… Must keep the sheeple penned in!

444143 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, #655 of 1778 🔗

Plenty of dinghy detritus to house

444157 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #656 of 1778 🔗

Land Securities hopefully, bastards.

444645 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #657 of 1778 🔗

The vast majority of pensions are tied up in prime real estate which means offices.

Many of the lockdownistas with their generous pension pots should not be surprised if they nosedive in value the longer this shit show continues.

444131 ▶▶ nickbowes, replying to mj, 7, #658 of 1778 🔗

Imagine being a graduate starting out in a world like that.

444145 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to mj, 11, #659 of 1778 🔗

Wait till the employers work out that they can pay someone half as much to work from home in India or elsewhere…

444166 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Wolver, 4, #660 of 1778 🔗

Most FS companies already have large offshore operations already in India or other lower cost countries. Either through the big offshorers or their own operations. Generally it is the IT support and dev areas. Some also have processing functions. So post lockdown wont make a huge difference in this area as it has already been exploited

444164 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to mj, 7, #661 of 1778 🔗

I remember early on, LD1, that a big institution in London crunched the numbers & decided they could do the same work with only 15% of the workforce with. There’s going to be a lot of redundant people.

444237 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to mj, 3, #662 of 1778 🔗

Cannot remember when but think someone either Tory or Labour said offices would be turned into housing? This was before the madness.

444287 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cumbriacracked, 3, #663 of 1778 🔗

They have been doing that in my small provincial city for five years, some into student flats others residential.

444116 Fingerache Philip, 18, #664 of 1778 🔗

My younger son works at a branch of Wilco’s in the black country and last Sunday they took £20,000 in 8 hours which if my maths is correct works out at almost £42 a minute.
Certainly seems like people are stopping at home and saving the NHS,blah,blah,etc,etc.

444129 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 27, #665 of 1778 🔗

Dr Simon Clarke was chatting to JHB on talkradio this morning – he’s a prof of cellular microbiology.

he suggested that it was ”eat out to help out” that kicked off the ”surge” in ”cases” in September last year – a time of year when the annual increase in seasonal respiratory problems always returns.

the increase in ‘cases’ (excluding the ramping up of mass testing) started 5 or more weeks after the first week of the eat out initiative and so is unlikely to have been caused by it. France and Denmark also saw increases in ‘cases’ in september (the start of the annual seasonal reparatory problems season) – yet they had no’ eat out to help out’

JHB even politely pointed out to the expert that ‘people seem to be making this up as they go along’ – which was as close to a ”bollocks” that a presenter can give an expert.

A non expert can’t challenge an experts view and has to bite his/her tongue. Science is a constant discussion/argument and its pointless having these experts on solo, they need to be challenged by other experts with different views – just letting them loose with their own particular theory is dangerous as the listeners/viewers can be left with a wrong impression of ”the science”

It would be interesting to see if Prof Clarke is brave enough to debate ”the science” with an expert with different thinking…

When the dust settles after all this – science and experts will have lost a great deal of credibility and blind trust

444135 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #666 of 1778 🔗

I thought the actual evidence for spread via hospitality, was minimal?

BTW, we should start a band..just need a couple more Panics to join us?

444150 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #667 of 1778 🔗

Panic Brothers has already been done. London 1980’s, friends of hardcore cowboy punk Hank Wangford.

444168 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 2, #668 of 1778 🔗

New one on me 👍

444163 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #669 of 1778 🔗

Band of Panic

444171 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #670 of 1778 🔗

Panic Attack

444196 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #671 of 1778 🔗

They just replaced “hospitality” with “hospital”

444226 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #672 of 1778 🔗

Panic Street Preachers? “If you tolerate this then your children will be next”

444187 ▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Major Panic, 3, #673 of 1778 🔗

‘Expert’ – an ‘ex’ is a has been and a ‘spert’ is a drip under pressure

444195 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Major Panic, 3, #674 of 1778 🔗

Clarke has become an all-purpose go-to pro-establishment rentagob in the last few months- his execrable pieces in The Spectator played a part in my cancelling my subscription.

444212 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Major Panic, 2, #675 of 1778 🔗

What did the ‘cases’ mean in any event?

444235 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DanClarke, 3, #676 of 1778 🔗

a positive PCR test with or without symptoms with no confirming test – so, in reality, ‘cases’ means a shit load of money, borrowed on our behalf, has been handed over to the corrupt, dishonest and possibly criminal

444249 ▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Major Panic, 6, #677 of 1778 🔗

JHB spot on with her diagnosis of making it up as they go along, e.g. BoJo saying it’ll be data not dates and he’s (through his hand puppet Wancock) now saying it’ll be dates. It’s Princess Nut Nuts who’s telling him what to say and he doesn’t say yes darling he doesn’t get his end away.

444310 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Major Panic, 2, #678 of 1778 🔗

He actually had the gall to giggle unrepentant through his denial of JHB’s accusation. That’s despite he himself admitting previously to her he doesn’t believe some of the statements he’s being asked to defend. Disingenuous at the very least.

444152 willhhand, replying to willhhand, 23, #679 of 1778 🔗

People really must start saying NO now. We know where this is headed. Digital identity. First an app or bracelet thingy followed by nanochips into the body. David icke is correct, always has been. Problem – Reaction – Solution. And the “solution” will not be nice. WAKE UP, smell the coffee, 2021 is our last chance. I’m pushing 70 (next year) and I don’t give a shite about complying, but I am concerned for my grandchildren. We are not doing badly on Dartmoor, lots of groups out walking recently, kids are hiding away in groups playing on the moor and we have been out picnicking at a National Trust property openly in a foursome with friends, not a dicky bird from others nearby. OK small beer you may say, but it is an attitude of rebellion that you (and everyone) must adopt now for the real battles later this year.

444179 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to willhhand, 4, #680 of 1778 🔗

Same here on the south coast, although not sure whether controlling us has a lot to do with the big picture, of course Blair in the shadows has always got in about domestic ID whether he succeeds this time is another story.

444161 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 17, #681 of 1778 🔗

LBC once again bringing up the proposition that NHS staff should be “forced” to undergo the injection.

Nothing says what a great health service you have like jettisoning decades of medical ethics practice and violating the Nuremberg Code.

If this comes to pass then NHS patients should ask themselves whether they are next – i.e. whether anyone setting foot on NHS property could also find themselves subject to an unwanted medical intervention?

444175 ▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Katabasis, -24, #682 of 1778 🔗

And I thought the fundamental principle of health care was ‘First do no harm’? As a Health Care Professional you must not put yourself into a situation when you can potentially harm a patient. That is what refusing a vaccination could lead to. If you’re that concerned about having the vaccination then find another job, away from patient care.

444188 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 5, #683 of 1778 🔗

If that is the case, DBB then why are NHS workers not already forced to take the flu vaccine every year?

444190 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 2, #684 of 1778 🔗

And by the way, it is doctors, not nurses, who swear the hippocratic oath.

444229 ▶▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to Katabasis, -10, #685 of 1778 🔗

Fully aware of that. So Nurses, Care Workers, Physiotherapists, Occupational Therapists etc. etc. can happily ignore the principle??

444263 ▶▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 4, #686 of 1778 🔗

Perhaps you’d like to answer my pooint about flu vaccines and then we can continue this debate like adults?

444378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 5, #687 of 1778 🔗

What makes you believe vaccines are safe?

444200 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 5, #688 of 1778 🔗

But it only helps stop you getting some symptoms you may not have had, it doesn’t stop spread, ‘official vax jargon’.

444216 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 5, #689 of 1778 🔗

Even though the “first do no harm principle” also applies to those NHS giving the “vaccine” to their fellow staff members?

444266 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 5, #690 of 1778 🔗

Also DBB, you *are* aware of what happened with Pandemrix, right?

444268 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 12, #691 of 1778 🔗

So we have an elderly patient with poor lungs and poor general health. How to treat them? Well let’s start by sticking needles into another person and see if that helps. OMG, that’s called voodoo isn’t it? Tell us more!

444269 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 7, #692 of 1778 🔗

And how exactly would the vaccine prevent harm to a patient since it neither prevents the disease or prevents its onward transmission?

444228 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Katabasis, 9, #693 of 1778 🔗

To even more unwanted medical intervention, they are already being subjected to masking and unnecessary testing both of which are not fit for purpose.

444170 DanClarke, 4, #694 of 1778 🔗

Sounds like its not long until the currency reset, re the spending spree, where is there a Newton when you need him. Keeping us trapped in the UK must be a help.

444172 Redundant Pilot, 11, #695 of 1778 🔗

Just seen this link and thought it might cheer people up a tiny bit. It’s a map of the USA showing the states that have no mask mandates/fines. There are more than you think!

https://twitter.com/birb_k/status/1366868341516722177?s=21

444173 isobar, replying to isobar, 4, #696 of 1778 🔗

?????
‘NHS hospitals in London are told to prepare for a ‘possible surge’ in Covid patients later this year as data shows how the virus has retreated across the capital’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9320239/NHS-hospitals-London-told-prepare-possible-surge-Covid-patients-later-year.html

444206 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to isobar, #697 of 1778 🔗

fgs, how much are the DM getting paid for this?

444224 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 2, #698 of 1778 🔗

One has to wonder, pure propaganda if you ask me

444248 ▶▶ merlin, replying to isobar, 8, #699 of 1778 🔗

Ofcourse they are planning a summer wave – great foresight from the boy wonder sunak to extend furlough till october. Bastards

444250 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 9, #700 of 1778 🔗

The NHS is not fit for purpose.

People can’t get the medical care they need, waiting lists are very long and people do not get timely cancer treatment. This is worse than 3rd world medical care.

Stop brainwashing children that the NHS have saved so many lives!!!

444447 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, 1, #701 of 1778 🔗

DM will publish any click bate shite whether for or against covid.

444507 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to isobar, 1, #702 of 1778 🔗

Well at least they cannot turn around in October and say, “we had no warning”. Now they have no excuse for lockdowns because they SHOULD be prepared.

444180 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 20, #703 of 1778 🔗

The amount of times I have heard how you need a vaccination for yellow fever therefore the COVID vaccine is no big deal.

Does this argument have any merit? From what I can gather most of Africa and Central/ South America mandate a yellow fever vaccine. How does this justify the whole world now requiring a COVID vaccination? Totally ignoring the difference in death rates between the two viruses.

444186 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #704 of 1778 🔗

Same as ‘well a vaccine got rid of polio, used to be terrible when I was young’, have to just ignore them now.

444236 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to DanClarke, 5, #705 of 1778 🔗

Agree. My aunt got polio in the 1950s from the polio vaccine.

444282 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Victoria, 2, #706 of 1778 🔗

This must have been the injectable form in the mid to late 1950’s, as a matter of interest was she an infant or older? By the time I had the vaccine in the early 1960’s it was oral on a sugar lump. One of the known and reported side effects of the injected polio vaccine is temporary paralysis.

444289 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 3, #707 of 1778 🔗

Learning what happened in India over the oral polio vaccine it becomes clear all is not as we thought. As a child I remember seeing people wearing calipers and I now wonder if it was caused by polio or as a result of the vaccine. I find myself questioning everything I once accepted without question and its making me very angry.

444309 ▶▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #708 of 1778 🔗

IIRC the vaccine in India was injected, and it appears to be older children that are affected by side effects, including paralysis. I cannot remember the exact details but mention was made about the wild virus.

444314 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to John, #709 of 1778 🔗

Oh my gracious, the polio epidemic and vaccine are the source of an alarming and vile insight into the pharmaceutical industry and the sheer credulity of craven “ordinary” people.

444297 ▶▶▶ John, replying to DanClarke, 2, #710 of 1778 🔗

Polio is passed through the orofaecal route and was endemic in England due to poor sanitation, but there was a certain level of community immunity. As sanitation improved the immunity levels dropped and epidemics occurred, leading to rows and rows of children in iron lungs, the demand for iron lungs was so high that car manufacturers switched from making cars to making iron lungs. The last person requiring an iron lung died only a few years ago. Polio is still endemic in Afghanistan and one or two other places. There is a programme to vaccinate in those countries, with older children developing temporary paralysis.

444307 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 4, #711 of 1778 🔗

Improvement in living conditions, sanitation & nutrition

444434 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Anti_socialist, #712 of 1778 🔗

You’re quite right to emphasise that.

444360 ▶▶▶ John, replying to DanClarke, 2, #713 of 1778 🔗

If anyone has had an anti tetanus prophylactic injection with the brand name Revaxis then you’ve also had polio vaccine as Revaxis is a triple vaccine. However, you’re not told this.

444403 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to DanClarke, #714 of 1778 🔗

If my Mum’s first husband hadn’t caught polio I wouldn’t be here. Some may say that would be a good thing….

444208 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JHUNTZ, 10, #715 of 1778 🔗

Knowing very little about Yellow Fever I just looked up its fatality rate (wiki, I know, but should be accurate enough in the basics).

“Among those who develop jaundice, the fatality rate is 20 to 50%, while the overall fatality rate is about 3 to 7.5%. Severe cases may have a mortality greater than 50%.”

So hardly comparable. It also states that the number of cases has been increasing since the 1980s, which is hardly a ringing endorsement for the efficacy of the vaccine programme.

444260 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #716 of 1778 🔗

Worth looking at Dengue Fever too – there have been cases where the treatment for one of the four types makes recipients more susceptible to the other three types.

444331 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #717 of 1778 🔗

The second most important thing after that is to make sure that your fellow citizens who do not want to take it are not coerced. Because without them there is no “control”. With no “control”, there is no proof of harm. With no proof of harm, there are no grounds for litigation. With no litigation, there is no compensation. With no compensation there is no incentive to produce anything safe and effective. And that’s where we find ourselves today.

This is war, really, and trillions of dollars of wealth is riding on reducing that “control” to zero. Because without it, there will no longer be proof of harm. With it, there will be bankruptcy, but only of the few. There will be state-sponsored pharmaceutical development, and most people will leave better lives with the out of patent products already on offer. Cancer rates will drop. Agriculture will be a dignified arena with nutrition at its heart. Parenthood will be back at the centre of human existence.

444227 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JHUNTZ, 5, #718 of 1778 🔗

The Covid vaccine uses mRNA technology that has never been used before. Prior to these lockdowns the drug companies have failed to produce a vaccine for the SARS CoV, the animals used in the experiments were killed. Both COVID and SARS CoV are coronaviruses. The Covid ‘vaccines’ are experimental and not yet fully tested, the long term adverse reactions are unknown – basically all people getting this jab are partaking in the worldwide trial.

The yellow fever vaccine also killed people.

Top cancer scientist dies after yellow fever vaccination …

Two British people DIE after receiving yellow fever vaccines

Six die after yellow fever jabs | UK news | The Guardian

You cannot argue with people about vaccines, especially comparing one with another.

In the end you need to make an informed decision whether to take the jab or not – it is your life and your health. Do your own research from reputable sources and then compare that with what the NHS tells you. Discard all information that you read in newspapers

444247 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Victoria, 3, #719 of 1778 🔗

The most useful example to bring up is Pandemrix and all of the shenanigans surrounding it. Crucially it was promoted by our government who subsequently U-turned after serious side effects such as Narcolepsy became apparent.

This particular story also has lots of familiar names involved:

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948

444258 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Victoria, #720 of 1778 🔗

Very well put.

444271 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Victoria, #721 of 1778 🔗

sorry to nitpick but there is no vaccine against CoViD. The vaccine is against the virus SARS-CoV-2, CoViD19 is the disease. The original virus in 2003 was identified as SARS, although technically it could be referred to as SARS-CoV-1.

444411 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to John, #722 of 1778 🔗

Are you sure? As I understand it, the so-called vaccine claims to reduce disease symptoms.

444565 ▶▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Bungle, #723 of 1778 🔗

Technically it is against the virus, like the flu vaccine but both reduce symptoms only, so it could be considered to be against the disease. It’s a somewhat moot point. However, there has been a significant amount of conflation of the virus and the disease.

444444 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 1, #724 of 1778 🔗

You can’t argue with people about THIS vaccine as 99.5% of the population are being lied to big style. How can you blame them for that. We are all victims

444303 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #725 of 1778 🔗

But the IFR for Yellow Fever is 30% and Covid IFR is under 1%.

444189 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 21, #726 of 1778 🔗

This might be slightly off topic but it illustrates the reptilian, disgusting slime of the BBC. They published a hit piece on Vanessa Beeley, an independent journalist who has been questioning the narrative on Syria – false flags, White Helmets, barrel bombs and all. The BBC published an article with a photograph showing her car and number plate. She believes that this may be to facilitate an act of violence towards her.

And this is the stuff the BBC filth accuse Putin of doing. Projection.

444213 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #727 of 1778 🔗

She may have a case. If it’s clear that the car is hers.

444259 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PoshPanic, 12, #728 of 1778 🔗

It’s not ridiculous paranoia. You’d have to be pretty willfully ignorant, if you have any interest at all in foreign affairs, not to have seen the heavy involvement of UK security services in pushing confrontation and interventionist wars, and attacking those getting in their way. This kind of thing would not be beyond them, for sure.

And you’d also have to be pretty thick not to have noticed that the security services have free access to use the BBC for their purposes, pretty much at will.

Defund the BBC. For a start.

444345 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mark, 1, #729 of 1778 🔗

I prefer a more Carthaginian solution. As in what the Romans did to Carthage. Cartaga est delenda.

444232 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #730 of 1778 🔗

Ugh.

444277 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #731 of 1778 🔗

The BBC published her car’s registration plate, an extremely dangerous thing to do. Was it deliberate? 🤔 I think it was!

444290 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #732 of 1778 🔗

I saw that, but her car was already incredibly distinctive, being a pink vw beetle and covered in pro-Assad stickers. I imagine anyone defending it would say that whilst it is in and of itself poor conduct, it wasn’t going to significantly endanger her life more than it was doing already.

444391 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #733 of 1778 🔗

There’s quite a big difference between having a car that states your general political opinions, even if they are provocatively dissident, and publishing to all the potentially murderous fanatics out there exactly what some high profile political enemy of theirs drives.

It’s not hard to get an address from a registration plate, either – debt collectors do it all the time.

444301 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #734 of 1778 🔗

We have the BBC’s pet Jihadi’s roaming the streets so yes – she is in danger
especially from the Kurds as well

444626 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Londo Mollari, #735 of 1778 🔗

The car isn’t owned by her but she does use it, so the BBC have put her and the owner of the car at risk.

444191 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #736 of 1778 🔗

Greatest Bill Gates Scams You’ve Never Heard Of

After years of building a reputation as a “ruthless tech monopolizer,” Bill Gates 2.0 was launched with the creation of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. With this foundation, he reinvented and rebranded himself as one of the world’s most generous philanthropists

However, Gates’ brand of philanthropy creates several new problems for each one it solves and can best be described as “philanthrocapitalism”

Today, Gates monopolizes or wields disproportional influence over the tech industry, global health and vaccines, agriculture and food policy (including biopiracy and fake food), weather modification and other climate technologies, surveillance, education and media

According to Gates, vaccines are phenomenal profit makers, with more than a 20-to-1 return

Gates is now promoting the technocratic “reset” plan, which includes an aggressive climate change agenda, yet Gates’ extensive travel by private jet makes him a top polluter

Gates’ Charity Is Not What It Seems

Gates, Global Climate Czar

Gates Leads the Technocratic Takeover

No Real Food for You

Gates Again Proves Feudalism Is a Failed System

Gates Foundation Seeded Catastrophic COVID-19 Policies

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/03/bill-gates-harrowing-vision-for-the-world.aspx

444198 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Victoria, 11, #737 of 1778 🔗

Gates is a Global Menace

444245 ▶▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Major Panic, 7, #738 of 1778 🔗

Up there with Soros

444264 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 4, #739 of 1778 🔗

He’s a monster, an extremely wealthy one who uses his wealth to infiltrate all important organizations to push his mad agendas on the rest of us. His next target is to make us vegetarians!

444493 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Bella Donna, #740 of 1778 🔗

A man who tries to get himself installed onto the board of the WHO with the same status as a member State says it all. Believed that he was as important as any country because of his money.

Fortunately, he did not succeed, but according to Fuellmich’s investigations, he is now co-signing letters of agreement between countries and the WHO giving the WHO and Gates full immunity from prosecution.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/JEgdTWXunOfZ/

(WHO insiders blow whistle on total immunity of Bill Gates through GAVI).

444275 ▶▶ merlin, replying to arfurmo, 3, #742 of 1778 🔗

This demonstrates the disdain these schools have for their pupils education. More people need to consider home Ed . De registering the kids will hit the school in the pocket.

444215 CrazyHoarse, 10, #743 of 1778 🔗

Ashton Warhurst on “the people of Britain have been trapped in an abusive relationship with its own Government”

Laura Perrins on The Conservative Woman blog and on James and Laura’s Chinwag has been making this point for some time

444217 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 12, #744 of 1778 🔗

Someone put a video on here the other day of people standing outside a shop putting up their arms to get Lint Rollered to be allowed in, like robots, they were, sums it all up

444463 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to DanClarke, 1, #745 of 1778 🔗

There was an interesting experiment carried out on a tv programme two or three years ago – I can’t recall whether it was a humorous programme or a serious analysis. A mock business office/clinic had been set up with a waiting room. A stooge was in the room and there was a regular flow of unsuspecting people coming for a pre-arranged appointment. Every time a bell went off in one of the inner rooms the stooge stood up for half a minute and then sat down again; he didn’t say anything. After he’d done this a couple of times the other 4 or 5 people in the waiting room followed his example one by one. They didn’t know why they were doing it and not a word passed between them and there was a receptionist present who they could have asked. It was fascinating, but frightening to see.

444219 TJN, replying to TJN, 2, #746 of 1778 🔗

Going out to chop some firewood now. And for the rest of the day I’ll be intrigued as to the content of Biker’s hip hop poem.

444231 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to TJN, 1, #747 of 1778 🔗

Not only is his poem not there but his complaint about it’s removal seems to have disappeared too. What’s going on?

444240 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to godowneasy, 2, #748 of 1778 🔗

Seems to be a bit of a push on censorship here. Noticed a couple of posts missing the day before yesterday.

444302 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 2, #749 of 1778 🔗

Yep, I posted a link earlier got deleted, was a link to a foul-mouthed song about lockdowns with lots of C words, not my thing but posted link anyway, a prude must have reported it. I see some others posts aren’t here now either.

444242 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #750 of 1778 🔗

Lots of comments being deleted here of late. I had one nobbled for daring to use the f word whilst discussing psychologists on sage.

444273 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to leggy, 4, #751 of 1778 🔗

It’s not unusual for forums to become more restrictive as they grow, but at the least a clear statement of what the permitted terms of commenting are would be useful. And honest.

With the recent comment removals I’ve seen, it’s no longer possible to just apply common sense. And rude words were not censored in the old days, but perhaps are being more so nowadays. If so, and we are to be a bowdlerised, child-friendly forum now, that should really be stated up front.

444285 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Mark, #752 of 1778 🔗

I imagine people are regularly monitoring this forum for heresy. Amazed it hasn’t been quoted anywhere by the 2021 thought police.

444306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mic67, 1, #753 of 1778 🔗

The principle imo should be that barring tightly defined categories such as direct incitement of immediate violence etc, comments below the line are the responsibility of their authors alone. And in a country that respected freedom of speech and opinion, that would be sufficient to protect the site and its owners from any and all state action.

We do not live in such a country, of course.

444293 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mark, 1, #754 of 1778 🔗

I can’t comment on any other posts that have been removed, but I did see Biker’s and it was way beyond a bit of ‘rude’ language. It left anything he has posted before in the dust. And the subject was a much-loved member of this forum. Should it have been removed? I don’t honestly know.

444300 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #755 of 1778 🔗

I didn’t see it, so I’m not really referring to it. I can well believe it went beyond any reasonable bounds for tolerance (he has form).

Part of the problem with censorship, of course, is that it inherently removes the evidence.

444359 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #756 of 1778 🔗

It was lets say sexually explicit regarding a regular commentator.

444374 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, #757 of 1778 🔗

Which one?

444355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #758 of 1778 🔗

I saw that it was a little over line, but free speech is free speech, Toby Young needs to make a clear statement in what his values are free speech means anything goes (unless it incites violence or is illegal)

This isn’t mums net.

444490 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to godowneasy, #759 of 1778 🔗

He had some other pretty innocuous posts on here earlier which have now gone.

444777 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to godowneasy, #760 of 1778 🔗

Guess they don’t like poetry, I can relate to that.

444381 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TJN, #761 of 1778 🔗

LDS is on WordPress so the censorship will be top down

444243 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to merlin, 7, #763 of 1778 🔗

It’s good to know there are some doctors with ethics.

444294 ▶▶ Janette, replying to merlin, 5, #764 of 1778 🔗

Excellent thanks for sending link. A brave doctor and let’s hope for more speak out.

444255 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 18, #765 of 1778 🔗

Remember people, less than 99% of you ever have this disease, and far less than 1% of those that do risk death ( 0.2-0.5%).
The ONLY reason that there is any ‘crisis’ is because the NHS in common with most western nations took economic decisions to reduce hospital beds by two thirds over the last two decades, which recently has beeb further reduced because of ‘distancing’ measures. The ONLY reason that this wasn’t over in the spring of last year was because the NHS in common with most weatern nations did not spend the 6 months may-Oct planning and increasing beds and trained staff.
There should be mass resignations in the ranks of senior PHE/NHS management, plus of course the customary resignation of ministers ultimately responsible.
However in this ‘world’ they will get very rich because of the pharma interventions paid for by the ‘magic money tree’.

444276 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to peyrole, 12, #766 of 1778 🔗

I only partially agree with your comments, the NHS have always claimed to be overwhelmed way before now. Removal of beds of course would not help any situation irrespective of a “deadly” virus, however there was never a crisis in the hospitals, they were all nearly empty, the scare tactics stopped people going to the hospitals. They could have taken nearly all of the beds out and still there would not have been enough covid or other patients to fill them.

I agree NHS/PHE management should go though.

444330 ▶▶ jos, replying to peyrole, 2, #767 of 1778 🔗

All done on purpose.

444332 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to peyrole, 3, #768 of 1778 🔗

The worldwide lockdowns are about the digital health passport, destruction of small business and livelihoods, destruction of the economy, control

444587 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 1, #769 of 1778 🔗

Here here

444262 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #770 of 1778 🔗

Guardian review, well worth reading in full.

444334 ▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 1, #771 of 1778 🔗

Nasty review by nasty paper.

“But where Sumption really goes overboard is when it comes to Covid-19. He describes the government’s attitude to law enforcement over the last year as “my definition of a police state”. He calls the criticism faced by lockdown sceptics such as himself as “the authentic ingredients of a totalitarian society”. Not much sense of historical perspective here. He also argues that, with the healthy and the young suffering, “the unequal impact of the government’s measures is eroding any sense of national solidarity”. Any? Some, maybe, but I still see a surprising amount of national solidarity from where I’m standing.
Worse, Sumption seems to have completely lost the historian’s sense of the counterfactual. If we hadn’t locked down, and if many more had died, the pressure on the government to act would have grown and the threat to the things Sumption values – freedom of choice, personal assessment of risk – would have been even greater. He despairs of the fact that public opinion seems set on putting safety first. But given that is who we are – and for that reason, comparisons with past pandemics have very little relevance for what is possible now – democratic governments had relatively little freedom of manoeuvre. On this issue he sounds much more like a sclerotic judge than an urbane historian. But whatever else he is, he is no politician.”

444349 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to alw, 3, #772 of 1778 🔗

he is no politician

That’s what’s wrong with politics, career politicians & experts .

444352 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to alw, 5, #773 of 1778 🔗

I never read an article where comments are disabled, or when they enabled, they’re severely moderated or deleted. It just proves they fear their readership being informed of sincere public opinion, or that it’s the majority who happen to think like you, as opposed to makin you believing you’re the minority.

444398 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to alw, 5, #774 of 1778 🔗

Gave up on the Guardian when they reeled out,one after another, an armada of racist Zionists to denigrate JC.

444460 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bungle, 4, #775 of 1778 🔗

…. especially when many of the main victims of the various viscous attacks were actually Jews who didn’t line up with the Israel Lobby, the true nature of which has been seen in that state’s response to Covid.

Not much sense of historical perspective here.”

Oh the irony! As the ‘radical’ press comes out in support of Goebbels and Mengele!

444472 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to alw, 5, #776 of 1778 🔗

I wonder how much the current management of the Guardian realise that the paper has been destroyed as a credible ‘independent’ source as it travels further and further up the arse of the establishment?

444265 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 23, #777 of 1778 🔗

Today’s alternative picture for the top of the page (I promised to do this every day some time ago, then forgot), so we don’t have to look at Pfeffel or Flabcock every day. Here’s a portrait of Henry Wood, born on March 3, 1869, and first musical director of the Proms – a concert series specially designed to infect as many people as possible with respiratory illnesses by (a) lowering ticket prices to let plebs in and (b) making hundreds of people stand close together, sing, cheer and wave flags about to blend everyone’s breath into a single, moist swirl of warm contagion. It’s entirely thanks to Sir Henry’s reckless antics that the human race died out in 1906.

444361 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #778 of 1778 🔗

Excellent, I’d 100 x rather have your pix.

444270 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #779 of 1778 🔗

Watching a livestream of Sturgeon give evidence to the Inquiry. She can’t answer a single question with a straight answer but she sure can stutter and hid behind legal constraints.

444346 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Londo Mollari, #780 of 1778 🔗

)(*&^&*(*(UH*_(*.

444284 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #781 of 1778 🔗

Just found a “lockdown Sceptics” on Telegram
122 subs – seems new
Is this one of you pestilent plebians??

444286 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #782 of 1778 🔗

Let me know. Still haven’t joined, but think I just might.

444295 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #783 of 1778 🔗

No chat function – seems to be just updates from the site

444305 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Crystal Decanter, #784 of 1778 🔗

I have Telegram on my laptop, but damned if I can follow what’s going on.

444308 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Nymeria, #785 of 1778 🔗

Same for mewe the app.

444316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #786 of 1778 🔗

The ‘flow’ seems all over the place. We need a good old fashioned Telnet type chat room.

444572 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Nymeria, #787 of 1778 🔗

Omg! Now you are talking my language! Would that have such a thing over on Tor?

444315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Nymeria, #788 of 1778 🔗

It takes a while to adjust
The search function is spot on
Just search for “great reopening” or “lockdown”
and make sure your security settings are locked down tight

444329 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Crystal Decanter, #789 of 1778 🔗

Thank you. I’ll give it a whirl when I’m back home from work.

444317 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #790 of 1778 🔗

Problem with Telegram for this kind of thing, imo, is that these messaging services (Whatsapp and others) just don’t scale well. Beyond a relatively small number of active users, they just degenerate into chaos, with messages coming too fast to keep track of and few tools to organise them.

That’s certainly my experience with the Great Reopening attempts there.

444324 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Mark, 6, #791 of 1778 🔗

Hasn’t Bill Gates just acquired Telegram or am I imagining it? He seems to have enslaved half the world so why not the alternative platforms too..

444356 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to jos, 1, #792 of 1778 🔗

I think you are right, for $600 million wasn’t it?

444370 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to jos, 1, #793 of 1778 🔗

I posted about that on Saturday but could find no further information. I sent a PM to the poster who specifically asked me about it (CGL) to say that I think it might be another bit of misinformation.

444372 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to jos, #794 of 1778 🔗

I had assumed that was a spoof, but admittedly I haven’t bothered checking it out.

444337 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Mark, #795 of 1778 🔗

That’s the problem I was having, Mark. I initially installed it just to keep up with the location details for the London protests, as they often get changed at the last minute.

444554 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, #796 of 1778 🔗

You can set it up so that the admin posts a daily thread. An open group is indeed chaotic

444821 ▶▶ rose, replying to Crystal Decanter, #797 of 1778 🔗

Did I read that Bill gates has bought Telegram

444296 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 13, #798 of 1778 🔗

Is this a stupid idea?

thanks to you guys I’ve just found the forums and the private message function (I know I can fly a plane but using a computer 🙄 ). I notice there is a section – Meet Fellow Sceptics but it seems a little unorganised.

If I acted as a ‘hub’ and people private messaged me, with an email and where they are. I could act like a matchmaker, and then put people into contact with each other. It would take time but I could then email people with the emails of other people in their vicinity. Then it would be up to you guys if you wanted to contact or not.

or is it too much like the freedom hub guys?

444304 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #799 of 1778 🔗

Sound like a good idea to me. I’ll send you a message via the forums later 🙂

444318 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #800 of 1778 🔗

Sounds good to me. very decent of you.

444344 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Redundant Pilot, #801 of 1778 🔗

Have you heard of ICO.org & GDPR?

444364 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #802 of 1778 🔗

Yup thanks

444422 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #803 of 1778 🔗

It’s a very good thing to be doing, because real life contact and mutual support amongst resisters is by far the most important thing.

444298 Nymeria, 13, #804 of 1778 🔗

Red Letter March

A friend forwarded the following suggestion from one of the various freedom organisations:

Send a piece of red paper (or just write on the back of a red envelope) to

10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA

Let Bozo know that you do not consent to:

  • health passports
  • experimental vaccines
  • restrictions on our rights to protest
  • restrictions on free speech

And just about anything else that’s pissing you off right now.

444311 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 4, #805 of 1778 🔗

This looks interesting:
https://www.rt.com/russia/517024-russia-third-vaccine-dead-virus/
Why did we in the UK not pursue this route instead of the RNA or DNA gene therapy route?
Is the Novovax a deactivated Sars virus ? If so, it , or the russian vaccine, might be more acceptable to those hesitant of vaccination and might actually work as a vaccine , which the Pfizer and AZ do not do , according to their manufacturers.

444323 ▶▶ jb12, replying to mikewaite, 14, #806 of 1778 🔗

I have thought this about a ‘traditional’ vaccine, but then I realise that this is not about any virus, it won’t stop at one vaccine or one virus, and I am accepting that I must take unrequired medical treatments to partake in society and that is not on.

444333 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to mikewaite, 14, #807 of 1778 🔗

Still prefer my immune system thanks

444357 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to mikewaite, 7, #808 of 1778 🔗

Any vaccine currently is not as good as one’s own immune system, so why all the effort?

444399 ▶▶ isobar, replying to mikewaite, 2, #809 of 1778 🔗

Novovax contains nanoparticles coated with artificially generated modified spike proteins of the virus. So it’s very different from the ‘experimental gene therapy’ of the AstraZeneca, Pfizer, and J&J ‘vaccine’s. You can find out more about it via the link below. Still experimental though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novavax_COVID-19_vaccine

444413 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to isobar, 2, #810 of 1778 🔗

Thank you isobar, I’ll take a look. Might be experimental , but does not seem to have the gene modifying properties of the current crop of jabs. So if we have to have something to show that seems the least harmful, so far.

444414 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 2, #811 of 1778 🔗

nanoparticles are dangerous to human health and the environment; it could even enter the brain

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/02/10/nanoparticles-in-moderna-vaccine.aspx

444465 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Victoria, 2, #812 of 1778 🔗

It looks, from the link given that the nanoparticles are lipid , ie conglomerations of fat particles , which is what the brain is partly made of anyway and they are. I suspect , circulating in one,s blood constantly. If they were alumina or titanium oxide nanoparticles I would agree with you, but they seem to be or organic rather than inorganic origin. Not so reassured about the saponin (basically a detergent) adjuvant though.

444521 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mikewaite, 1, #813 of 1778 🔗

I’m right off vaccines now, couldn’t eat another one.

444574 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #814 of 1778 🔗

Have one of the Chinese ones and you’ll want another 2 hours later .

444568 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to mikewaite, 2, #815 of 1778 🔗

Because I have T-cell immunity, so I do not require synthetic immunity to a common cold. And when the time comes all I ask is to be laid out under the stars with some pain relief (if needed).

444718 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #816 of 1778 🔗

Yes my thoughts exactly. I am more scared of the medical professions “cures” than I am of dying

444319 George L, replying to George L, 8, #817 of 1778 🔗

UK: MPs vote through ‘deeply dangerous’ Covert Human Intelligence Sources Bill
I don’t know if you guys have picked up on this. I first heard about it on UK Column a few months back, and I remember thinking then..WHAT!!!!

Parliament has basically decided that all the institutions of state can commit criminal acts with impunity. That’s my understanding of it anyway. If I’m right its no wonder the police are acting in the way they are. So the NHS can fiddle the figures, Judges can deliberately rule against cases not following a narrative, etc, etc.

Please take a look, because if I’m right it fits in neatly with what’s happening in our country now. Democracy.. what democracy!!!

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-mps-vote-through-deeply-dangerous-covert-human-intelligence-sources-bill

444335 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to George L, 10, #818 of 1778 🔗

It’s a little too late to be concerned now. This kind of conduct has been happening for decades, police, MPs, security agencies etc never had respect for the law, its always been a case of no one is above the law except me, pretty much goes for most people! All for the protection of a mythical public that lives in their subconscious, real people are all criminals in their minds.

The civil contingencies act was one of the first tyrannical pieces of legislation, the terrorism acts that pretty much destroyed the justice system, Mays snoopers charter etc etc MP’s are a worthless bunch of tossers most are authoritarians.

Our freedoms have been eroding for decades & no one noticed or said anything. What rights?

444347 ▶▶ Mark, replying to George L, 8, #819 of 1778 🔗

Government reverses attempt to explicitly ban spies from committing murder, torture or rape
But it’s ok. There are “safeguards”. Such things will only be done in “exceptional circumstances”.

What kind of paranoid, conspiracy theorist fringe nutter would think the government or its invariably noble and honest agents would ever intentionally abuse powers, for other purposes?

444479 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Mark, 1, #820 of 1778 🔗

Who sponsored the bill, Kim Yong-Un?
That is even more shocking than anything else that has gone on in the last year.

Wonder if Queenie will ask questions when she is told to give royal assent? Or has that small protocol been killed off as well.

Still say you are a ‘libertarian’ Piffle? Perhaps he mixes up the word with ‘libertine’.

444512 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Old Bill, 1, #821 of 1778 🔗

Wonder if Queenie will ask questions when she is told to give royal assent? Or has that small protocol been killed off as well.”

Happened on Monday, iirc. If Her Majesty raised any questions, they are not in the public record as far as I’m aware.

444405 ▶▶ RickH, replying to George L, 4, #822 of 1778 🔗

It went through ‘parliament’ (I have to use quotation marks these days because of the travesty it has become) some time ago.

… and yes, it is sinister and part of the wider breakdown of civilzed norms.

444321 Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 23, #823 of 1778 🔗
444339 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #824 of 1778 🔗

Yes, an older, unmasked lady and I smiled at one another in Lidl yesterday.

444325 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 18, #825 of 1778 🔗

I know I’m a stuck record on this particular point but please do read it – history really is repeating itself. I challenge you to read the first few paragraphs of this BMJ article on Swine Flu and Pandremix and not experience the hairs on the back of your neck standing up:

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948

444363 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Katabasis, 5, #826 of 1778 🔗

Frightening. Even bloody Fauci was at it again!

444379 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Katabasis, 4, #827 of 1778 🔗

Precisely. We have been here before.

I would only add that, in this context, the critical Council of Europe report on the H1N1 shit-show is also essential reading.

444390 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Katabasis, 5, #828 of 1778 🔗

Reading that, it sounds like they had a failed attempt to achieve then what they are achieving now. Looks like the players then went back to the planning room, to make sure it works better next time around.

444427 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Andrew K, #829 of 1778 🔗

My thoughts too, Andrew. And have you read this piece from the Spiegel, published a year after? –

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613.html

444543 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Katabasis, 1, #830 of 1778 🔗

https://youtu.be/q9qeLcq3y8w

This from C4 news, when they still did some journalism. My mate got prescribed Tamiflu, two weeks course, the severity of her symptoms increased, and only got better, after she stopped taking it. I kept telling her for 5 days, it was making her worse. Of course, there was no SD, when I’d drop by to help her out and drop off supplies.

444392 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Katabasis, 4, #831 of 1778 🔗

They tried it in 2008 after losing money in that crash but said that the lack of media coverage was the problem then.

444496 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Katabasis, 7, #832 of 1778 🔗

I recall that in 2009 we were summoned- and I mean summoned, no excuses accepted- to two meetings convened by our local Health Authority, at which we were addressed by posh-sounding men we’d never seen before, men who were obviously accustomed to being listened to when they spoke. It was about the imminent catastrophe consequent upon the upcoming Swine ‘Flu pandemic. In addition to all the biosecurity precautions which would be visited upon us, we were told that our practices were going to be organised into what they called “buddy chains”- the phrase has always stuck in my mind- so that as one practice ceased to function and its staff were carted off to Intensive Care or worse, another would try to stagger into the breach, just in case there were any patients still well enough to require treatment.
And then- nothing. Just as if the meetings had never happened. Nobody spoke of them again. What meetings?
And this, as I say, was 2009. And the last greed-induced collapse of the worldwide banking system was in 2008. So I’ve been suspicious from the start of this shitshow that it might be their second attempt to fly the kite.

444508 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #833 of 1778 🔗

Anonymity is freedom, I respect people honest & brave enough to give their full names, but it’s unwise in this day & age, akin perhaps to the foolish bravery of first world war soldiers charging slowly from the trenches. 😉

444552 ▶▶ Inlakesh, replying to Katabasis, 2, #834 of 1778 🔗

Déjà Moo : When you know you’ve heard this bullshit before.

Drug firms made ‘false H1N1 claims’

444644 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Inlakesh, 1, #835 of 1778 🔗

Cheers Inlakesh.

I’m *so* stealing that phrase too, haha. Brilliant.

445373 ▶▶▶▶ Inlakesh, replying to Katabasis, #836 of 1778 🔗

You are most welcome my friend.Thank you for your post.

444562 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Katabasis, 2, #837 of 1778 🔗

Conspiracy or busybody little departments obsessing on doing their non jobs to the exclusion of all else… there’s no question that they’ve been frotting themselves silly longing for covid to happen for decades.

444336 RickH, replying to RickH, 23, #838 of 1778 🔗

I was a bit disappointed when I turned to the item headed : Lockdown Scepticism Was Never a ‘Fringe’ Viewpoint
Although the thrust of the article is correct, it has that dangerous tone of apologetic concession that I see as one of the most dangerous recent developments in the non-debate.

Because, of course, the lockdown, mask and testing enthusiasts have been stripped bare of reasonable backing from evidence over the last year. That fact is reinforced by the fantastical efforts to silence alternative viewpoints; good science has no need of distortion by propaganda.

The essential truth is actually contained in the article. What happened after March flew in the face of established strategies for managing pandemics, as laid out in the UK document of 2011 and that of the WHO, published only in October 2019. The term amateur ‘farting about’ comes to mind when outlining the government departures from these guidelines – except that ‘farting about’ implies a levity that doesn’t capture the damage done by allowing sundry interest groups with an assortment of conflicting objectives to capture the agenda.

I have become convinced that the term ‘Lockdown Sceptics’ does not really capture what I and others with the same viewpoint are about. The term concentrates too much on a negative.

Its not that I’m ‘sceptical’ that is the key, although that plays a part. It’s that I believe in scientific method and rational analysis.

Perhaps ‘Rationalist’ – or some such – should me the moniker for the viewpoint.

444350 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to RickH, 3, #839 of 1778 🔗

Excellent post.

444366 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 5, #840 of 1778 🔗

Although the thrust of the article is correct, it has that dangerous tone of apologetic concession that I see as one of the most dangerous recent developments in the non-debate.”

My feeling exactly, just based on the tone of the extract published here.

444406 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to RickH, 7, #841 of 1778 🔗

I don’t even think lockdown sceptics gets to the heart of it anymore. When we see that lockdowns can be removed but restrictions can stay in place e.g. tiers/ masks/ distancing. Lockdown doesn’t cut it and sceptic is too diluted at this stage.

Anti Restrictions is where I am at.

444416 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #842 of 1778 🔗

Rona Rationalist ? Rona Rebel ?

444461 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to RickH, 3, #843 of 1778 🔗

I’m a lockdown abolitionist.

444340 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, #844 of 1778 🔗

https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/types-vaccines-for-covid-19 shows a couple of Chinese vacs are the same.
(Sorry was supposed to be a reply to mikewaite )

444446 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to arfurmo, #845 of 1778 🔗

Thanks arfumo , why did we not pursue this route , traditional for most vaccines? Will these and the Russian one be available in the UK , and someone mentioned a nasal spray some days ago . Who makes that?.

444481 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #847 of 1778 🔗

”The nasal spray vaccine is based on a common poultry virus called the Newcastle Disease Virus (NDV), which can replicate in humans but is harmless. The research team engineered NDV to produce the spike proteins of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to prime the body’s immune system to attack the coronavirus.

should be available later in year for anyone needing vax for travel purposes – just need to know if any of this is ‘gene therapy’

444505 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Major Panic, 1, #848 of 1778 🔗

It sounds as though the NDV is producing the spike, rather than your cells being reprogrammed to do so.

So, at first glance it seems better than the mRNA jabs.

444549 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Major Panic, #849 of 1778 🔗

Thanks major

444603 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 1, #850 of 1778 🔗

BTW it is a bit odd that it appears to be an initiative of Lancaster University , an institution that i suspect is struggling a bit for funds at the present time. Meanwhile Imperial College , awash with hudreds of millions of pounds from Gates produces nothing, relevant to Covid, but the universally derided rubbish from Ferguson.

444343 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 30, #851 of 1778 🔗

Does BoZo want civil unrest by not “following the data” and sticking steadfastly to June 21st? We’ve always said on here that lockdown will be over when enough people just stop complying. I can well see that happening over the next three months, could even lead to riots imo. Is this what he wants so that MSM and police can continue to point to the naughty beach loving rule-breakers as the problem?
We need to open everything now and burn all the new laws they made, in order to make it as hard as possible for them to reintroduce seasonal restrictions.

444369 ▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 16, #852 of 1778 🔗

From what I see a lot of people (the majority?) are already no longer complying, albeit in a fairly tame way – meeting down the park, unofficial child care arrangements etc. Has there ever been a time when the law of the land was so routinely disregarded by so many people? It makes a mockery of “the rules”. But if the police turn a blind eye to it and people just crack on then what will actually spark the riots? People aren’t going to get really wound up about not being able to go to the shops or pubs – they don’t care about this enough.

444397 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Johnsontown, 4, #853 of 1778 🔗

I absolutely agree. I think a lot of businesses are caught between a rock and a hard place – they can’t just decide to reopen as the council have shown they will hand out £10K fines.
I can’t recall exactly what’s happening on what dates but each “easing” is ripe for people to just do what they like. Eg as if people are only going to meet one other household at the pub!

444440 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 15, #854 of 1778 🔗

Yesterday’s BBCNW report showed what problems there are for businesses by highlighting the situation in the Isle of Man . Until a few days ago there were few restrictions internally to the island and businesses started restocking for the spring and summer season . Then a ferry worker had a positive test, instant lockdown for 3 weeks and a pub owner who had spent a lot of money on restocking has now to pour all his stock down the drain . 1 positive test , and your business is ruined . Sheer nonsense , who would open a business when an addled brain politician or civil servant can close you down with no warning.

444466 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Johnsontown, #855 of 1778 🔗

Missing the overseas holiday to which they are so entitled for a second year.

444856 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Johnsontown, 2, #856 of 1778 🔗

Possibly, but they’re not failing to comply because they don’t agree with the rules – they’re just failing to comply out of confusion and fatigue. Sadly all the government needs to do is crank up the fear again in the autumn and the furloughed millions will happily scurry back indoors.

444882 ▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Cranmer, 2, #857 of 1778 🔗

Yes there’s definitely something in that. Compliance is probably lower now because people look around and see what everyone else is doing and take their cue from that. Once enough people start hanging out down the park it becomes acceptable. I just wonder though if the fear can be ramped up again quite so easily. Is it like a monster movie where once you have revealed the deadly beastie and made everyone scream, it kind of stops being scary after a while?

444418 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #858 of 1778 🔗

I predict that families will meet up indoors this Easter regardless. We’ve been promised freedom too many times (Christmas at Easter, Easter at Christmas etc etc) and now that must grannies have been jabbed, I can’t see them staying alone for yet another year.

444561 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #859 of 1778 🔗

Bozo couldn’t care less!

444354 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 11, #860 of 1778 🔗

I can see how the inhabitants of Devon and Cornwall etc feel hard done to but we can’t allow ourselves to get dragged into Tiers again. As much as it pains me to admit MH is right on this one!

From looking at the “case” map I think it’s clear that now the virus is endemic, either natural transmission or the way the testing is done just means that there seem to be higher rates per 100k in urban areas.

If we went on this basis we’d have a new permanent divide between city dwellers living under restrictions and country folk living free. Everyone needs to be free.

444358 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 16, #861 of 1778 🔗

No no tiers for me either, this needs to end for EVERYONE!

444368 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Redundant Pilot, 9, #862 of 1778 🔗

Exactly. The bottom line is that the actuality of this virus is a long way from the hysteria that surrounds it.

444467 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #863 of 1778 🔗

Have sent you a message via the forums.

444415 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #864 of 1778 🔗

I’m in an area with below 50 cases per 100k but I still agree with you. It just needs to be over, and if the choice is tiers and a slightly earlier release for me, or waiting for everyone to be released for good, then that would be my choice.

Also as you say, it would have awful consequences, with some cities being in permanent restrictions while the rest of the country goes free. Soon enough there would be riots or a mass abandoning of the cities by those who can get out.

444423 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 12, #865 of 1778 🔗

I agree. No more tiers. And no more tears. Lift all restrictions. Inform the people. Let them take their own risks. Reform the NHS so it’s capable of dealing with surprise events without slamming the entire population into prison.

444476 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #866 of 1778 🔗

It’s an example of the differend set out in Sinead Murphy’s excellent piece .

The differend here is there is no common framework of relationship to tiers between the lockdown sceptics and pro lockdowners.

To the lockdown sceptic, lockdowns are simply wrong and so reasonably we don’t engage in any discussion about which tier an area should be in in the same way the Aborigines don’t engage in conversation about who owns the land on which they live.

444367 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #867 of 1778 🔗

Is it just me or is the term “voluntary physical distancing” as used in this piece quite sinister!
Having bodily autonomy, surely all humans carry out “voluntary physical distancing” all the time already, unless we are being assaulted!
Really creepy.

444388 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #868 of 1778 🔗

Implies if we don’t then they will seek to introduce involuntary physical distancing. Any new fencing contracts out with the Government?

444410 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #869 of 1778 🔗

It’s always voluntary to begin with, then becomes mandatory when we’re not doing it “properly”. Just like the original lockdown, in fact.

444428 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 14, #870 of 1778 🔗

I seem to remember Desmond Morris’ books on body language explained in great detail how things like how far apart to stand are determined by very deep and very old instincts and convey a great deal of unspoken meaning that is directly understood without the need for language.
All of which would be a mystery to people like Whitty, who quite obviously hasn’t been in the same room as another human being who wasn’t tied to a radiator in many years.

444373 Victoria, #871 of 1778 🔗

re Testing & Masks in schools

You can now complete the form to register an *anonymous* complaint against your child’s school re masking and testing here https://pcrclaims.co.uk/masks-in-schools… . You can also download the letter that will be sent. Prepared by @L4L_UK

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The first 380 schools go on notice tomorrow morning. Keep sharing please!

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1366891997915709445

https://pcrclaims.co.uk/masks-in-schools

444375 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #872 of 1778 🔗

In Marxist Wales the Marxist unions call the shots

Year 7,8,9 pupils may be allowed back in mid April and then for only limited periods

Please sack the teachers and give me my money back

444690 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Cecil B, 4, #873 of 1778 🔗

Isn’t it funny how the teaching unions say that teachers are so vital, yet they’re not actually willing to let them back into classrooms to teach.
They’re not very vital if they’re not doing any teaching anyway.

444376 JayBee, 7, #874 of 1778 🔗

https://www.achgut.com/artikel/was_zeigt_die_israel_studie_zum_biontech_pfizer_impfstoff_
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/
https://corona-blog.net/2021/03/02/dramatischer-anstieg-der-todesfaelle-unter-senioren-seit-beginn-der-corona-
schutzimpfungen/

None of that rhymes with the official British vaccine impact data interpretations.
As the 31 Reasons Rabbi stated:
Something stinks.
When will someone do their job and analyse that British data more thoroughly?!

444382 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #875 of 1778 🔗

I’ve just watched “Why is covid killing people of colour? It started well but as it went on I realized it was more about racism than why people of colour suffer more from covid. David Harewood began by looking at vitamin D and then claimed only people of colour suffered from deprivation as if white people don’t suffer deprivation or discrimination. At the end of the program a professor from the US claimed constant stress due to racism or as she called it weathering impacted the body so much and this explained why coloured people had poor health. First the study was done in the US where racism is everywhere and the UK is so much less racist than it was fifty years ago when I was growing up. Racism or as I prefer to call it discrimination does exist but to believe it’s why coloured people suffer more from covid is really pushing it as there’s many places where white people have suffered. To end after it was discovered coloured doctors were more likely to die from covid compared to white doctors I believe Dr David Grimes contacted the Asian Doctor’s union who recommended vitamin D. Since then death rates are similar, but when he offered to provide vitamin D for the local hospital he was turned down on the grounds it was unethical.

444421 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #876 of 1778 🔗

Veganism is currently tearing itself apart over the issue of ‘white vegans’, so sad.

444424 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 3, #877 of 1778 🔗

The global warming cult is besides themselves over the lack of diversity as well
Naturally I stoke the flames as often as I can
It is a white devils fancy after all ?

444477 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to karenovirus, 1, #878 of 1778 🔗

white vegans are guilty of “cultural appropriation”!

444485 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 1, #879 of 1778 🔗

One things for sure they won’t eat each other.

444441 ▶▶ Alkanet, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #880 of 1778 🔗

Tut tut you can’t say coloured doctors!

444482 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Derek Toyne, #881 of 1778 🔗

It’s not killing more healthy “BAME” (i hate that word) people, I remember early on back last summer they fed a few blogs with a story Hydroxychloroquine was killing black people, it turned out to be a plant from a corporate shill, it wasn’t killing anyone. If certain demographic are suffering more from “covid” its due to poverty, Tory austerity & lockdowns.

444385 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 10, #882 of 1778 🔗

Am obviously delighted to read that Texas has dropped all restrictions. But I wonder whether that would’ve happened had they not had that extremely cold weather recently?

I admit that I hadn’t truly appreciated how catastrophic an energy disaster it was until I heard this podcast from 1st March: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/podcasts/stories-of-our-times

Seems to me like it caused a bigger human disaster than the pandemic and perhaps this has helped them to see Covid in the correct light? And it’s a really easy way to help people who are suffering without proving aid – just remove the unnecessary restrictions they already had!

444387 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 2, #883 of 1778 🔗

And I know we’re a bit anti MSM on here but Stories of our Times podcast is really good! I honestly think that the editor can’t be bothered to check them to see that they’re towing the editorial line.

444386 snorklepig, 5, #884 of 1778 🔗
If the Pfizer shot reduces lymphocytes for a week or so and that is why so many contract Covid shortly after the shot especially in care homes, this implies that the virus is present there and the residents were not previously sick, not because they have been successfully  isolated, but because their own immune systems have been protecting them.   Looks like you can't hide from a virus.
444393 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #885 of 1778 🔗

re Testing & Masks in schools

You can now complete the form to register an *anonymous* complaint against your child’s school re masking and testing here https://pcrclaims.co.uk/masks-in-schools… . You can also download the letter that will be sent. Prepared by @L4L_UK

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The first 380 schools go on notice tomorrow morning. Keep sharing please!

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1366891997915709445

https://pcrclaims.co.uk/masks-in-schools

Note; You might see 2 of these postings, the other one is still waiting to be approved. In the past I could place a post with 4 links, today it did not allow me to do so. What changes have been made at LS?

444396 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #886 of 1778 🔗

The letter that PCRclaims will send to your child’s school anonymously.

Headteacher-letter-template-email-Lawyers-for-Liberty-01032021.pdf

444412 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Victoria, 4, #887 of 1778 🔗

Came through OK Victoria, thanks for the template.

444471 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, #888 of 1778 🔗

It’s called censorship! So much for the free speech union LOL the irony is hilarious! Does Toby Young even own/run this site any more?

444394 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 26, #889 of 1778 🔗

For the last few days the press here in Brazil has been banging on about how this is the worst week of the pandemic and we really need full lockdown, curfew, public floggings and everything else.

Last night it was revealed that over 17 million additional people had been plunged into abject poverty by the restrictions imposed over the last year and the end of auxiliary payments (no tax income = no government dosh).

This morning is hilarious, the press can’t decide which way to jump. Do they back the champagne socialist work from home brigade or try a little solidarity with the general population?

444404 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Sampa, 11, #890 of 1778 🔗

Looking at Brazil’s crude deaths figure last year, it was only 27,000 higher than 2019, in a country of 213 million people where 1.4 million people die every year.

Where is the disastrous pandemic?

Edit: I was also interested to note just how low Brazil’s death rate per capita is, around 0.6% of the population die every year compared to circa 1% in Europe and North America. This despite Brazil’s problems of poverty and crime. Just shows what an impact population ageing has on mortality.

444443 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #891 of 1778 🔗

Where is the disastrous pandemic?

Good question. 1500 daily deaths in a population this size is nothing to write home about. At no point during the pandemic have we seen a large number of excess deaths, but the good news is that we have eradicated the annual flu, dengue, cancer, heart problems, and yellow fever.

You are spot on about ageing, the life expectancy here is only around 75, so overall the population is younger than the UK.

444400 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 7, #892 of 1778 🔗

Latest batty missive from the interim head at my daughter’s primary. This is the same one that some of you may recall included a mask prayer in the newsletter last year.

Dear Parents

The government are now allowing households, childcare and support bubbles of primary-age pupil to order Lateral Flow Tests (LFT) so that home testing can take place twice weekly. This is the next stage in the Government’s aim to stop the virus spreading by identifying those who are asymptomatic.

As the lockdown restrictions are easing, we are asking all households to seriously consider this twice weekly testing regime as we strive to play our part in helping protect our loved ones and our school community.

The kits can be ordered from https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests&nbsp ;. You have the choice of either collecting the kits from a local collection point or ordering via the post.

444407 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 5, #893 of 1778 🔗

Further to the above, I didn’t spot this PDF (attached as a screenshot) enclosed with her email.

444417 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to SimonCook, 10, #894 of 1778 🔗

well fuck all that.

444520 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to SimonCook, 1, #895 of 1778 🔗

I’d love it if people just ordered shedloads, and then threw them on a huge bonfire!

444420 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #896 of 1778 🔗

Russia’s third Covid vaccine is actually a traditional dead virus vaccine. https://www.rt.com/russia/517024-russia-third-vaccine-dead-virus/

444771 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #897 of 1778 🔗

The one to have if the day comes that you absolutely must travel somewhere. Assuming the incompetence of government wrt the “passport” doesn’t collapse the whole shambles.

444429 leicestersq, replying to leicestersq, 15, #898 of 1778 🔗

Why is no one challenging the government over lockdown deaths? When you have a vaccine and when you have falling covid deaths, then when the number of lockdown deaths exceeds covid deaths then there is no excuse for continuing with the lockdown based on the governments own figures?

Also, is anyone investigating all of the vaccine deaths? They are definitely out there and being pretty well covered up, but evidence of them is emerging. The true data about vaccine deaths will be needed to fight these vaccine passports that they are going to use to reduce our liberty.

Good to see that Texas is coming out of lockdown. It will put pressure on everyone else to do the same. I wonder too if the criminals who locked us down will be a bit worried about the turning of the tide. When people find out that vaccines injure and kill people, and that covid deaths were inflated and that the police abused their powers to curtail people’s freedom, there is likely to be a backlash. I dont know how big that backlash will be but I hope that it is a big one.

444454 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to leicestersq, 2, #899 of 1778 🔗

Philip Thomas-Risk Management at University of Bristol has done research on this which Toby references. His modelling data states that lockdowns could cause up to half a million deaths.

444487 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #900 of 1778 🔗

his paper I read before first lockdown. a 2008 size recession takes 3 months off everyones life on average. that’s 15 million qalys. higher than even the most optimistic assumptions of ‘life saved’ from lockdown.

444473 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to leicestersq, 7, #901 of 1778 🔗

45.000 LD dead and counting.

Over 1000 experimental-drug dead (it is not a vaxx). 50 K injured or more.
Fake News won’t cover much of it, or will excuse it ‘as a coincidence’, like my neighbour mid 70s who is now going partially blind after the jab.

444545 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to FerdIII, 1, #902 of 1778 🔗

Has your neighbour’s blindness been notified to the NHS adverse events system?
It does appear to be a known risk to these vaccines, according to the official data that I’ve seen.

444544 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to leicestersq, 2, #903 of 1778 🔗

Plenty of people have challenged the government, but they get nowhere. The media just piles on them, or ignore them altogether. The government ministers just shrug the criticisms off and double down, and that’s when Neil O’Brien, the government’s attack dog, isn’t publicly slandering them, with ministerial approval.

444439 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 19, #904 of 1778 🔗

Parliament masked is too ridiculous for words. How many of them have been ill, have been positive but nothing has happened, etc etc, absurd

444451 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to DanClarke, 10, #905 of 1778 🔗

Ridiculous but perhaps a worrying sign that they are intending to push masking even harder for the rest of us.

444468 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #906 of 1778 🔗

Triple diapers. Maybe plastic balls we can roll around in?

No one but a few say anything intelligent in the House of Coercion and Occupation anyway.

444452 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DanClarke, 7, #907 of 1778 🔗

COVID KABUKI.

444455 ▶▶ leicestersq, replying to DanClarke, 6, #908 of 1778 🔗

I have noted that there havent been any by-elections recently. There must be so many people wanting to stand on an anti-lockdown platform. Unlike opinion polls, we would get to see how many people really want the lockdowns. I suspect that any anti-lockdown candidate would win unless the vote was split amongst many candidates.

But that is an aside. Any pandemic worthy of its name would have decimated the numbers in Parliament. Not one has died.

444470 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to leicestersq, 3, #909 of 1778 🔗

No, but I, at least, had hopes!

444499 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to leicestersq, 1, #910 of 1778 🔗

I agree re the elections, people still seem to be under the illusion that lockdowns will end. The only reason for the muzzles is to be seen keeping up the rhetoric about covid being dangerous

444515 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to leicestersq, 2, #911 of 1778 🔗

Average age of MPs is 51. No deaths among 650.

444783 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Jo Starlin, #912 of 1778 🔗

What a pity

444484 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to DanClarke, 8, #913 of 1778 🔗

It is annoying to see. As it is when they say “The virus has caused….”. The virus didn’t cause lockdowns or all this other economic damage. None of this had to happen but it did because of this government’s decisions.

444542 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to DanClarke, 1, #914 of 1778 🔗

How much is for public consumption? Do they wear the masks when off camera??

444450 leicestersq, replying to leicestersq, 11, #915 of 1778 🔗

Interesting analysis of the vaccine data coming out of Israel.

Vaccination in Israel: Challenging mortality figures? – Israel National News

“They claim that Pfizer’s shot causes “mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly”

Like all science it needs to be scrutinised and challenged. But cause for concern and those getting the jab should at least know that there is a controversy.

444539 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to leicestersq, 8, #916 of 1778 🔗

My mum’s care home lost 25% of its residents over January (I was told it was over Xmas, ie before the vaccine rollout, but nothing was actually said at Xmas, or even in January). All bar two residents were vaccinated, and that’s includes my mum. She’d tested positive for CV19 in late December, early January, so we didn’t believe she needed the vaccine as theoretically she was already immune.
My mum is fine. 25 other residents are not, and from the couple of telephone calls we had with the manager, it was around the time that they were all being vaccinated…
I can’t prove that, and they’re not admitting it.

444584 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to LMS2, #917 of 1778 🔗
  1. Will a local paper pick this story up? If it gets into the media somewhere it is at least then recorded – the ?Buckingham nursing home outbreak only made local news.
  2. I’ll bet these aren’t recorded by the nursing home manager on the Yellow Card scheme to record adverse effects of the vaccine!
444611 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BTLnewbie, #918 of 1778 🔗

Anyone with the facts can raise a yellow card.

444453 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 17, #919 of 1778 🔗

Exciting news from Peckham . Announcing T.W.I.T. (Trotters / Windsor Independent Traders) , a collaboration between T.I.T. and the House of Windsor.

Del Trotter said: “I am bigly proud to be working with Her Maj on the vaccine roll-out, a programme we have called T.W.I.T. – Vacc . Her Maj is the Crème De Menthe of marketing; in fact she’s the Dog’s. Her unique position, being the Queen and all that, means we have a world beating product that is mange tout. With my management skills on top we are the Bonnet De Douche of the pharma world. This time next year we’ll be Vaccinaires (well Maj is already of course)”.

Her Maj announced “We are delighted to be working with Derek, a fine upstanding member of the British pleb class. We are proud to be doing one’s duty for the little people of Britain. One shall be offering the usual deals to increase uptake including mix’n’match options and a family package of three for a Pfizer. Failing that we have Dick in reserve. Je Suis De Reste”.

Rodney and Phillip were unavailable for comment .

444495 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to godowneasy, 1, #920 of 1778 🔗

Will Prince Charles be bringing out a Duchy Originals version …

444514 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to kh1485, 1, #921 of 1778 🔗

Not sure – I thought I heard something about him working on a Greta-Green Vacc…

444459 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 13, #922 of 1778 🔗

https://thelightpaper.co.uk/

Cult of science p. 17. Welcome to Covid Fascism.

“In his famous 1974 talk ‘How to defend society against science’, Feyerabend said: “ Science has now become as oppressive as the ideologies it had once to fight… Heretics in science are still made to suffer from the most severe sanctions… Science has become rigid, [and] it has ceased to be an instrument of change and liberation … [It] inhibits freedom of thought” – adding that “ Scientists quite often just don’t know what they’re talking about ”.

Prophetic words indeed. Mainstream medicine’s uncritical support of mass injection is firmly rooted in a positivistic technocratic worldview ; yet a mounting groundswell of dissent has other ideas, with technocratic ‘modernity’ and scientism being decisively undermined by holistic ‘New Science’ thinking”

Scientism. Just another fascism.

444573 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to FerdIII, #923 of 1778 🔗

Brilliant.

444475 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #924 of 1778 🔗

Sunak announcing another 19m for domestic violence programmes. Pathetic. They continue to lock adults and children away with their abusers and put families in desperate situations that increase the risk of violence and neglect. Sickening.

444530 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #925 of 1778 🔗

I would guess divorce rates must be spiking as well. I know of one colleague who has suffered through one (with 3 children), LDs and stress were certainly were a major factor.

444489 PatrickF, 11, #926 of 1778 🔗

Furlough to continue until the end of September. What year, Rishi?

444494 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 59, #927 of 1778 🔗

Twelve months ago today De Pfeffel was on TV and made the now infamous remark that he had been happily shaking hands with Coronavirus patients in hospital. Look at the video – he’s a different man: buoyant and smiling and seeking to downplay the whole thing. He hands over to Vallance who tells us that all we need to be doing is washing our hands. That’s “the crucial thing”. Amazing to see these men reassuring us and speaking simple common sense.

Less than three weeks later we locked down our entire society and we’ve basically not come out. Now we’re talking about wearing masks with three layers in perpetuity, introducing a vaccine passport, waiting until June 21 before we can hug one another, etc. If you could have jumped into the DeLorean on 3 March 2020 and taken a sneak peak at how this was working out in twelve months’ time you would, quite literally, not have believe your eyes. But here we are.

Unless they are the finest actors of our generation, De Pfeffel and Paddy were clearly not at all worried about coronavirus on this day last year. And looking at the footage, I also find it hard to believe that they were secretly planning, at this stage, to unleash everything that came to pass.

But just what happened in March 2020 to spook them quite so much? Was it the Italian hospital footage and the dodgy alarmist modelling? Did they simply conclude – however erroneously – that this was a much bigger threat than they had first calculated, and have ever since been locked into the logic of this basic mistake and the mass psychosis it unleashed? Was it the relentless media pressure? Was it something more sinister? Or something more unknowable?

I realise this is the question we continually debate. But it’s perhaps the single most important question of the contemporary age – why, oh why, did this happen? This month is a good time to take stock and remember quite how rapidly this all descended into madness.

444500 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Johnsontown, 22, #928 of 1778 🔗

It appears he is being controlled.

444559 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stevie, 7, #929 of 1778 🔗

without a doubt imo

444504 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Johnsontown, 12, #930 of 1778 🔗

They now look like the most disreputable class of war criminals. The kind who never believed what they were doing was right, but thought it would make them rich/powerful, etc.

Is that a clue?

444683 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ovis, 4, #931 of 1778 🔗

or maybe they just believed their co-operation would enable them to avoid the fate of the shit-munchers (it won’t)

445124 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JaneHarry, #932 of 1778 🔗

How true. The murals inside Denver airport clearly show the “guards” lying dead in a heap along with their dead captives.

444511 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Johnsontown, 14, #933 of 1778 🔗

I remember johnson mentioning in a press conference sunetra gupta’s study suggesting that 50pct of the population had already been infected. His performances post hospitalisation looked like hostage videos.

444523 ▶▶▶ leicestersq, replying to merlin, 29, #934 of 1778 🔗

Dr Michael Yeadon stated that the pandemic was over by last summer. I am yet to be convinced that he was wrong. Those PCR tests and their false positives have corrupted everything, we simply do not know the truth. That is no accident.

The idea that we need to have zero covid or zero any virus is so stupid that you cant imagine anyone falling for it, and yet so many have. It is disturbing to see that the media have barely raised a question.

444528 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to leicestersq, 5, #935 of 1778 🔗

Data says it was over in May. Spiked in weeks 13-14. After that very quick decline back to normal death rates.

444610 ▶▶▶▶▶ richmond, replying to FerdIII, 3, #936 of 1778 🔗

April/May spike was not respiratory illnesses.

444531 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to leicestersq, 25, #937 of 1778 🔗

I fell for the fraud initially , but by april I saw that hospital deaths peaked on april 8th, so infections peaked a week before lockdown. Only explanation was that covid had been with us throughout the winter of 2019 and it was running out of hosts. PCR fraud aided by fake modelling data and toilet press and politicians have kept the shit going.

Gupta and yeadon were both right.

444772 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to merlin, 8, #938 of 1778 🔗

Same here, I spent most of May, June and July believing that it was over and the government was just playing safe with a gradual winding down of restrictions. Even when compulsory masks came in in July, I thought it was a bit odd but assumed this was just to make people feel more confident about going out again. By September it was clear they were going for further lockdowns.

There’s a strange sense of deja vu around at the moment.

444864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Cranmer, 12, #939 of 1778 🔗

The masks in July was when I realised we were not in Kansas any more.

444540 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to leicestersq, 8, #940 of 1778 🔗

Yep totally correct. These morlocks in the press are saying Toby and Mike were wrong, you said no death!! You useless fucking muppet msm, nobody said no deaths. Just not more than average. And this is what happened. You could also, if you had a tiny bit of common sense think the deaths should have been a lot higher as we are currently running without a health service. And other than JHB not one TV station asked Mike on to debate with their useless scare mongers. Imagine what he would do with Divi or Dr Hilary? Can anybody think of any science that is settled? No its all open to opinion and debate, except for covid. This is THE science.

444607 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to leicestersq, 3, #941 of 1778 🔗

The initial epidemic phase was over last summer. All endemic corona viruses have peaks starting in the autumn and lasting through the winter months, dropping off during January/February, SARS-CoV-2 is no different.
What is different is the hysteria associated with it. The picture is from my local hospital. The purple line is admissions with respiratory disorders from September 2019. The blue line are SARS-CoV-2 admissions and the red line is ITU admissions with SARS-CoV-2 positive results. As is clear to see there was an autumnal spike in 2019.

444518 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Johnsontown, 9, #942 of 1778 🔗

Why March? Cases spiked in March, and the Dead count spiked in weeks 13/14 then went back to historical norms. This gave some credence to their claims of a pandemic (since proven a nonsense).

Why the LDs etc. given the above?

2 basic opinions 1-Planned, part of a Great (warmtard related) Reset or 2-Just a bunch of phucking idiots including ‘scientists’ who don’t have a clue and made mistake after mistake based on bad data, fraudulent data and hysteria and here we are and Power taken is rarely given back.

The problem with #2, the ‘mistakes theory’, is that in almost every Western country, the exact same reaction took place. So objectively it looks coordinated. It may be possible that every country over-reacted in panic and all conflated normal dead into Covid dead via PCR testing and other fake data.

444529 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to FerdIII, 9, #943 of 1778 🔗

Could be a bit of both. They were bounced into it by what other countries were doing, particularly China, being urged by intern organisations or individuals, then being unable to admit their mistake.
The SAGE scientists are seemingly ready and willing to run to the media to force Boris into various draconian measures whenever they don’t get their own way. These are politically motivated, in my view, e.g. Susan Michie.

444536 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to LMS2, 5, #944 of 1778 🔗

Doris and his supine Cabinet outsourced the CV response to the Scientism of ‘SAGE’, in order to politically distance himself. So indeed it may be a mix of 1 and 2.

But this does not explain the digital-drug-surveillance state they are setting up- the Orwellian world of forced experimental-drug injections + digital surveillance + ID cards to live?

444595 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to LMS2, 1, #945 of 1778 🔗

And Pantsdown

444524 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #946 of 1778 🔗

https://ccpgloballockdownfraud.medium.com/the-chinese-communist-partys-global-lockdown-fraud-88e1a7286c2b
CCP global lockdown fraud.

Boris, among others, is alleged to have been bombarded with Twitter messages last March, urging him to lock the country down, as per China, accusing him of having blood on his hands for not doing so. It’s unknown how many were Chinese propaganda,and how many ordinary people jumping on the bandwagon..

444564 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to LMS2, 6, #947 of 1778 🔗

There’s an easy answer to this kind of shite: nobody with any kind of public profile should have a twitter account.

444778 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to sophie123, 1, #948 of 1778 🔗

It only became popular because Trump was using it to circumvent the biased mainstream media. Now he’s gone they might as well ditch it.

444532 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Johnsontown, 12, #949 of 1778 🔗

Because the people who direct all governments are just plain evil. They hate us. I know it is difficult for most to comprehend but there can be no other explanation after all we know about the past year. Sooner all realise this the better.

444550 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to VickyA, 7, #950 of 1778 🔗

I agree, they hate the people they govern with a passion. Once you accept that things get easier to understand.

444558 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Johnsontown, 5, #951 of 1778 🔗

A vague memory of Johnson apparently saying, ‘they wouldnt go for it’. Seem to remember it was after he had his drama with covid himself. What was he told during that time, yes he was a different man

444591 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Johnsontown, 11, #952 of 1778 🔗

The Devil saw his chance. We have made a covenant with Death, and to Hell have we sworn allegiance.

444621 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 3, #953 of 1778 🔗

That’s from Isaiah, isn’t it? I’ve just checked – Isaiah 28:15.

444717 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Alice, 1, #954 of 1778 🔗

Isaiah knew a thing or two.

444623 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Johnsontown, 3, #955 of 1778 🔗

That’s an interesting observation that even Vallance was different back then. Did he, like Boris, also have a period when he was away from the public eye during that period?

444660 ▶▶▶ Johnsontown, replying to Katabasis, 13, #956 of 1778 🔗

Pretty sure it was Vallance on Radio 4 about this time talking sensibly about herd immunity – saying that for most people it is a mild disease and not a problem. They were also saying that masks were ineffective. Everything these people were saying this time last near is now a heresy. How would they justify this change in stance? Would they say that “the science” has changed? That their initial analysis was wrong?

444715 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Johnsontown, 1, #957 of 1778 🔗

1984 explIns it all.

444761 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Johnsontown, 14, #958 of 1778 🔗

Don’t forget Dorsten had laid the groundwork for the PCR tests in mid-Jan. Bojo et al might have still been in the dark but others were not.
Apologies for sounding like a broken record, but sitting in Thailand in January surrounded by Chinese , a lot from Wuhan, on hols enjoying Chinese New year, nothing, absolutely nothing was amiss. The Chinese did not return in numbers after January, but Thailand more or less was completely normal until the same date as The UK made its announcements. Then , in common with other governments around the world, everyone went nuts.
Italian overreaction, Ferguson’s modelling added to the Dorsten PCR ‘laying the ground’, but it was very clear where the gun was fired, the US.
I strongly suspect it was a combination of the Fed and other central banks finding a way ( without war) to strangle economic and financial movements. In the later part of 2019 the repo rate had gone to 10% and they were scared stiff this would leak into the general market. Banks etc would fold, and unlike 2008 they had no firepower to stop it. So the threat of a killer virus ‘stopped the world’ . Clearly other players have used the disruptive opportunity to make their own plays.
Their unstated defence for the harm they have caused is that it is nothing compared to the chaos and destruction that could have followed a collapse of the world financial system.
Its not that they could have a point, what is unforgivable is that those on the inside of such decisions, like government ministers and billionaires can and have used the situation to make themselves even richer and more powerful, whilst the rest suffer.
And the society that will emerge from this mess will be less free, more controlled than before, which of course they would argue is necessary to ensure the same does not happen again. A financial reset with CBs using digital ‘world’ currency I think is a baked in certainty now, it will lead to negative rates and destroy savings, pensions etc. All other forms of control will just follow this financial reality.
This is not a ‘Conspiracy Theory’ , although it is a conspiracy with a small ‘c’, of CB’s and its major customers.

444498 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 4, #959 of 1778 🔗

Starvation and sexual assault in Canadian quarantine hotels:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/canadas-quarantine-hotels-backfire-people-starve

444509 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to awildgoose, 3, #960 of 1778 🔗

https://www.rebelnews.com/victim_of_alleged_sexual_assault_details_nightmare_experience_at_covid_jail
Rebel News: Victim of alleged sexual assault details nightmare experience at COVID jail

And the travellers are being charged Can$2000

444502 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 2, #961 of 1778 🔗

Hindoo Money printing God Knickknack all in for Covid spending. Past year only £500 bn in extra LD related spend…..no big deal apparently.

Furlough extended for 5-11 millions (depends on who you believe), and billions (literally) for CV 19 related spending. I wonder if NHS payments for CV related dead/injured/sick/emergency is part of that spend? Keep that fraudulent dead count piling up?

And as a bonus, your life, liberties, reason all taken away.

An extension of the furlough scheme until the end of September and new grants for the self-employed, estimated to cost around £10bn;

-£1.65bn more to fund the COVID-19 vaccine rollout programme and £55m for vaccine testing and development;

£100m to set up a new COVID-19 fraud task force .

£5bn in “restart” grants for High Street businesses to help shops and restaurants reopen;

A £150m ‘Community Ownership Fund’ to allow locals to takeover struggling pubs and theatres ;

And in the interest of housing affordability, stamp duty holiday till July, and 95% LTE mortgages again….watch prices spike.

444516 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to FerdIII, 9, #962 of 1778 🔗

And Keir Starmer reacts with the hyperacute sense of the popular mood that we’ve all come to expect:

“Starmer goes on the attack over Yemen aid cut”

444522 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 9, #963 of 1778 🔗

Ha ha unbelievable. We now have a national debt of £2 Trillion – an amount that no one even understands given how massive it is – and this millionaire arseling is worried about his Muslim pets? What a flipping joke.

444575 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to FerdIII, #964 of 1778 🔗

£2,000,000,000,000 – doesn’t sound much when you say it quick.

it’s a lot of social credits!

444763 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to FerdIII, 1, #965 of 1778 🔗

Now here’s da nooz for the slow-witted : Only 77th Brigade benefits from arsehole postings about ‘Muslim pets’.

444503 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 6, #966 of 1778 🔗

FFS, now even carers are being targeted for the killer-jab! Just been invited by Hillingdon Carers, in partnership with North West London Collaboration of Clinical Commissioning Groups. Doesn’t seem sinister at all. So, that leaves my son the only one left in my household not to get an offer!

444643 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jinks, 1, #967 of 1778 🔗

In Germany Group 2 is now entitled, which includes persons close to pregnant women. That implies pregnant women are more at risk from developing serious illness if they get infected? That’s news to me.
When did they come up with this? Probably an excuse to get rid of the AZ, as it is not licensed to the under 65s in Germany and they haven’t got enough people turning up for appointments.
They are so desperate they are now trying to get the license changed to over 65.

444510 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 8, #968 of 1778 🔗

So Rishi has the government guarantee 5% mortages which will cause a house price boom. So if you had 10% saved or available the house price could double.

And now he is gutting those who actually pay tax from productive work rather than just reallocate it.

25% Corp tax in April 2023?

He’s added a taper though but still you know who is going to be paying this.

444519 ▶▶ merlin, replying to mhcp, 8, #969 of 1778 🔗

Ramping house prices is economic madness as well as morally repugnant. Sick bastards

444513 DanClarke, 14, #970 of 1778 🔗

I still believe that covid is the cover story for the Financial Reset and keeping us all grounded keeps cash in house, it also helps other agenda’s, ID, Green, Pharma investment, ie The narrow window

444517 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 36, #971 of 1778 🔗

Just back from the dentist. Waited in the car till my time. Went in on the dot. Sorry we are running late! What! You are seeing two people an hour and you can’t even do this on time. Then the assistant comes out to collect me. Oh fuck me! She is wearing what can only be described as a full hazmat suit and what looks like a gas mask and goggles. Into the dentist, dressed the same. Start my treatment, I cannot understand a word you are saying mate. I know I am a bit mutton but its mumble mumble through a mask and a face covering. Glad it was only a refilling. Could not wait to get out of there. How are they getting back from this? The dentist and his assistant are wearing that shit all day. For what? I truly despair.

444527 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Spikedee1, 9, #972 of 1778 🔗

They will all get sick and we will laugh at them

444541 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Spikedee1, 7, #973 of 1778 🔗

So weird isn’t it because desperation has forced me to a private dentist numerous times in the last year. Admittedly, no aerosol generating procedures but lots of up and close examinations with basic PPE and chats before, during and after. They also have a special machine that cleans the room/air in 10 or 15 mins I believe, whereas the NHS take longer to sterilise between appointments.
You can see where it’s all going, mind you NHS dentists were ‘hens teeth’ (lol) before the ‘crisis’.

444578 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Spikedee1, 9, #974 of 1778 🔗

I don’t know if yours are particularly bad specimens, but they are very different from my dentist. He and his receptionist plainly wear the minimum nappy requirement, and only (as they said) because they’d be closed down if they didn’t. Doing their level best to msintain a close-to-normal service. I had to go private owing to the virtual non-existence of NHS dentistry in Pembrokeshire, but by golly it’s worth every penny just now. I only regret that the dentist didn’t strike gold when he excavated for my last filling. He certainly went deep enough.

444640 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #975 of 1778 🔗

Same nonsense at my dental surgery. They make you put any belongings such as coat, bag etc. into a box.

444675 ▶▶ davews, replying to Spikedee1, 4, #976 of 1778 🔗

Sorry about your dentist…. they are not all like that. Had four appointments with mine (private) since December and they seem to be working more or less normally. Bit of covid stuff in the reception and designated chairs covered in plastic for your to sit on. Receptionist maskless and after she noticed my exemption lanyard the first time never a mention of them. Dentist and assistant dressed to the hilt, temperature taken and questioned if I had any ‘symptoms’. But that is about it, and came away with new dentures yesterday, they are more or less working normally.

444525 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 22, #977 of 1778 🔗

one of the reasons so many people are wanting to take the experimental gene therapy is because they have been lead to believe that covid19 is far more deadly than it actually is – presumably this can be included in the lack of INFORMED consent

444622 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Major Panic, 7, #978 of 1778 🔗

Exactly – surely every single Dr. should be able to tell you instantly: what is the approx. infection fatality rate for your age group &/or circumstances, exactly how and why the vaccine ought to benefit, what the risks are, and what alternative treatments are available.

444769 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #979 of 1778 🔗

The problem is no one would take it if they laid it out like that.

444533 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 13, #980 of 1778 🔗

And there it is: an investment bank for green investment. Green bonds and a change to the Bank of England to consider environmental impacts.

Green fascism for Net Zero. The ultimate goal to destroy the UK.

We need these fuckers out now.

444534 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to mhcp, 8, #981 of 1778 🔗

It’s been clear for a long time. Stuff that would never have seen the light of day via the ballot box.

444560 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mhcp, 6, #982 of 1778 🔗

We need Boris out yesterday.

444570 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #983 of 1778 🔗

And Carrie!

444615 ▶▶ John001, replying to mhcp, #984 of 1778 🔗

The UK had a Green Investment Bank, I believe.
It was privatised.

444681 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to mhcp, 3, #985 of 1778 🔗

Not just the UK.
Most of the developed world.
Biden/Democrats will be pushing the same agenda. He’s only been president for a matter of weeks and there’s already buyers remorse.
Ditto Boris and company, but at least Americans had a real choice, even if that was taken away from them by massive voter fraud..

444535 leggy, 6, #986 of 1778 🔗

More common sense and interesting points of view from Dr Sam Bailey. Well worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/tQoC39n4QP8

444546 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 9, #987 of 1778 🔗

Definitely worth watching this, such a pick up. Californian guy walking around Florida.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Av77qSF0y0&ab_channel=PeterSantenello

444569 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Andrew K, 6, #988 of 1778 🔗

That is so cruel Andrew . You give us a glimpse of paradise (relatively speaking) , knowing full well none of us can get there.

444596 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to mikewaite, 5, #989 of 1778 🔗

It almost made me cry- of anger and joy.
Thanks for sharing!

444818 ▶▶ richmond, replying to Andrew K, 1, #990 of 1778 🔗

Cases of covid per million people:
California: 90,190
Florida: 89,306

Deaths from covid per million people:
California: 1,336
Florida: 1,450

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

444557 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mic67, 20, #992 of 1778 🔗

Any luck, she’ll be unemployed soon.

444577 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Anti_socialist, 27, #993 of 1778 🔗

Any luck and she’ll be in jail soon.

444590 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mic67, 8, #994 of 1778 🔗

Sounds like a recipe for a ‘black market’ creation….

444694 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mic67, 6, #995 of 1778 🔗

Back to old skool raves in the woods

444765 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Mic67, 2, #996 of 1778 🔗

She is a disgusting C U Next Tuesday.

445025 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Mic67, #997 of 1778 🔗

The appropriate tune here being “dancing in the streets” then. That’ll upset the neighbours that are hoping for a good nights sleep nearby – and maybe they’d put pressure on the clubs to stop Vax Apartheid to deal with that.

444548 sophie123, replying to sophie123, 37, #998 of 1778 🔗

I just had a brainwave.
To recoup monies spent during the pandemic, Sunak should introduce a mask tax.
The purchase and wearing of masks should be VERY heavily taxed.

444551 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to sophie123, 7, #999 of 1778 🔗

Yes! Excellent suggestion 👍

444555 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to sophie123, 4, #1000 of 1778 🔗

Nooooooooo!

They’ll make it compulsory everywhere forever.

444576 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1001 of 1778 🔗

That’s not on. It’s a personal choice.

Double maskers can have double tax. And you get a higher level rate for anything in a “ditsy” print or that is done to coordinate with your outfit.

Mask sellers also subject to Special Tax of 5000000000000000%

444600 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to sophie123, 1, #1002 of 1778 🔗

Sunak should tax his wife until her knickers squeak

444556 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 23, #1003 of 1778 🔗

“Why have the people put up with this? Under normal conditions, they never would have. None of this would have been possible. The one reason they did this time: fear.
This emotion can last far longer than one might think. But eventually emotions do catch up with facts, among which is that the danger of severe outcomes was wildly exaggerated and the lockdowns achieved nothing in terms of disease mitigation.
Once that realization dawns, fear turns to anger, and anger to action.

If you understand that dynamic, you can see why the architects of lockdowns from Dr. Fauci to the CDC are doing their best to delay that dawning, with daily doses of alarmism designed to keep people hiding in their homes.

And it was done not by scientific consensus but rather by a small number of lockdowners in cooperation with risk-averse politicians and bureaucrats.
Karma is already turning on the lockdowners, from reporters to politicians around the country. People like Cuomo, de Blasio, and Newsom are falling from grace for stated reasons other than lockdowns but the abusers of all sorts eventually pay a price for their egregious behavior, one way or another.
The list of people who will experience career disruption for what they have done to our communities and our country is very long.

While the virus is invisible, the people who dreamed up and enforced lockdowns that wrecked the country are highly visible. They have names and careers, and they
are right to be very worried about
their futures.
https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-could-reshape-
american-politics-for-a-generation-
or-several/

Here’s but hope. Bring it on!
But I guess it’s fair to say that the UK is still far behind the USA in that regard, not to speak of DDR 2.0 and its citizens.

444725 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to JayBee, 2, #1004 of 1778 🔗

I agree, hence the moniker 😬 .

444760 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JayBee, 2, #1005 of 1778 🔗

Yep, we’re way behind. So much so that I think another lockdown (or an extension of the present one) way after July is possible. The complacency of the British public is staggering; they are like semi-comatose drunks being kept going with furlough whisky being poured down their throats.

444566 JayBee, 7, #1006 of 1778 🔗

“Hegel remarks somewhere that all great, world-historical facts and personages occur, as it were, twice. He has forgotten to add: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce.”

Spot on.
First as communism/fascism with its leaders and actors.
Now as ‘The Great Reset’ with its leaders and actors.

444567 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 35, #1007 of 1778 🔗

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-dolly-parton-changes-073400623.html

Adding to the long and increasingly laughable list of pathetic celebrity vaccine endorsements, Dolly Parton has re-recorded her hit ‘Jolene’ rebranded as ‘Vaccine’. There is nothing these whores won’t do, they are as desperate as the governments whose message they are trying to sell. Right down to very insignificant B-list celebrities and artists that no one has heard of for years who are now being wheeled out on command. Not only is this going to fail to increase vaccine uptake, it is going to increase vaccine hesitancy and resistance. It betrays a crippling lack of self-awareness that the Covid leaders think these embarrassing, shameless, cheap tactics are going to change anyone’s decision who has not already been broken by a year of fearmongering. It’s pitiful to observe, it really is.

444599 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Richard O, 5, #1008 of 1778 🔗

As we say here in Lincolnshire, “bless!”.

444609 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Richard O, 7, #1009 of 1778 🔗

It’s truly disgusting. Never a fan of hers but it’s thoroughly depressing seeing some of my music heroes falling into this pit one by one.

444633 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to godowneasy, 5, #1010 of 1778 🔗

Very disappointed in her as I am a fan. Hope Ian Brown and the Gallagher brothers hold out. What does Morrissey say? Other than “Panic on the streets of London etc”

444854 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #1011 of 1778 🔗

I have a feeling he’s not a dandelion…

https://music.mxdwn.com/2020/03/17/news/morrissey-played-a-show-in-london-amid-the-coronavirus-outbreak-plays-the-smiths-london-for-the-first-time-in-13-years/

Reminds me of the last classical concert pre-lockdown in Mid March at my local venue. The performer was visibly stunned at how full the theatre was and even commented on it.

444617 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Richard O, 13, #1012 of 1778 🔗

It is pitiful, and I suspect it will seriously backfire. Bit like last year, & some Hollywood numptys did a video in lockdown singing ‘Imagine no possessions’ sitting in their multi multi million $ mansions with domestic staff, swigging $200 bottles of Champagne like it was water….

444620 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Richard O, 5, #1013 of 1778 🔗

Jab me honey honey jab me?

444631 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Richard O, 8, #1014 of 1778 🔗

Don’t know if she does requests but how about

Not working 9 to 5 (but being paid furlough instead)

444764 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1015 of 1778 🔗

Barely getting by.

It’s all lockdown and no living…

444632 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Richard O, 2, #1016 of 1778 🔗

follow the money, its always follow the money

444673 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 5, #1017 of 1778 🔗

In stark contrast Ian Brown has had his anti lockdown tune removed from Spotify.

444846 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Richard O, 2, #1018 of 1778 🔗

Vaccine, Vaccine, Vaccine, Vaccine
I’m begging of you please don’t kill my man
Vaccine, Vaccine, Vaccine, Vaccine
Please don’t kill him just because you can

444580 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #1019 of 1778 🔗

A second care home in Basingstoke has now had residents die following the start of mRNA trials this year, figures are not available. This from the local paper.

THE number of Covid deaths in care homes are at their highest levels since the end of April, new figures show.

There were 2,364 deaths of care home residents involving Covid-19 in the week ending January 22 in England and Wales, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

This includes residents who died in care homes, hospitals and other settings.

This is up 37.5 per cent from the previous week, and is the highest weekly number since the week ending May 1.

It comes after two known Covid outbreaks in care homes in Basingstoke, which saw a number of residents pass away.

At least twenty two people have passed away since the beginning of January at Pemberley House Care Home in Viables, with an unknown number dying at Marnel Lodge in Popley.

https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/19057756.covid-care-home-deaths-highest-level-since-end-april/

444598 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #1020 of 1778 🔗

That’ll save the Council a pretty penny

444604 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #1021 of 1778 🔗

The latest weekly figure is also more than three times the 745 care home resident deaths registered in the week ending December 31.

And no-one thinks that this is worth investigating?

444935 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1022 of 1778 🔗

I reckon the ONS has recorded well over 6,000 ‘excess Covid deaths’ in nursing homes and hospices in the first seven weeks of 2021, compared to the December run rate.
H ow many of them notified as adverse effects on the Yellow Card scheme? Does the care home manager get a black mark for sending in a notification?

444672 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #1023 of 1778 🔗

Basingstoke Gazette are absolutely smashing it out of the park. Who would have thunk it

444840 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1024 of 1778 🔗

Viables? Not so much once they got jabbed.

444581 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1025 of 1778 🔗

Excoriating piece in ConWom:

It is Gove who presides in the Cabinet Office over the Behavioural Insights Team, a group whose psychological warfare campaign against the British people represents one of the most naked abuses of science for political purposes since the Second World War.
Unlike his ministerial colleagues, Gove does not have the excuse of stupidity: His defeat is entirely moral.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/farewell-integrity-the-michael-gove-story/

444588 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1026 of 1778 🔗

Gove doesn’t do moral.
He is the incarnation of a narcissistic power hungry weasel.

444592 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to JayBee, 3, #1027 of 1778 🔗

He’s a bit chungus to be described as a weasel. They tend to be lithe.
A toad?

444593 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to JayBee, 2, #1028 of 1778 🔗

Beautifully put.

444601 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JayBee, 4, #1029 of 1778 🔗

Mustela turdus = shit weasel.

444606 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to JayBee, 3, #1030 of 1778 🔗

Slug in my book

444754 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1031 of 1778 🔗

Gove does not have the excuse of stupidity”

Oh, I think he has that as well, as would anyone who has observed his career. He is a very stupid person. But I wouldn’t let him claim it as an ‘excuse’.

444589 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1032 of 1778 🔗
444710 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1033 of 1778 🔗

It’s an excellent show today, they’ve excelled themselves.

444613 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1034 of 1778 🔗

“Bill Gates is a shareholder of Pfizer”
True, at the time of publication. As outlined above, Pfizer has many shareholders. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has owned Pfizer stocks since 2002 ( here here ) and a 2019 tax return from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Trust lists Pfizer among its corporate investments ( here , see see Foundation Trust annual tax return 2019). The foundation has also provided research grants to the company ( here ).

BlackRock

444618 ▶▶ leggy, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1035 of 1778 🔗

BlackRock is a major shareholder in an insane number of companies.

444637 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to leggy, 2, #1036 of 1778 🔗

Blackrock hold these shares on behalf of investors – pension funds included.

444638 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to leggy, #1037 of 1778 🔗

Starbucks for one.

444753 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, #1038 of 1778 🔗

The same company that was into massacring Iraqis?

444614 SimonCook, 5, #1039 of 1778 🔗

From Sept 2016:

Ego, ambition, and turmoil: Inside one of biotech’s most secretive startups

At first glance, Moderna Therapeutics looks like the most enviable biotech startup in the world. It has smashed fundraising records and teamed up with pharmaceutical giants as it pursues a radical plan to revolutionize medicine by transforming human cells into drug factories.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/

444630 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 24, #1040 of 1778 🔗

Friend’s sister just bragging amongst her friends on Arsebook about having her jab: “It’s the Astra Zeneca for me, fingers crossed there will be no side effects” Fingers crossed? Jeez …

444639 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kh1485, 9, #1041 of 1778 🔗

“fingers crossed there will be no side effects”

OK, i’m sorry, but there are sections of society that deserve genocide!

444665 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1042 of 1778 🔗

yes, there are moments when you can almost get where the eugenics/population control crowd are coming from

444642 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to kh1485, 5, #1043 of 1778 🔗

Extreme vaxing, the adrenaline rush

444657 ▶▶ isobar, replying to kh1485, 7, #1044 of 1778 🔗

Does she watch ‘Strictly come Vaxxing’ ?

444667 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kh1485, 6, #1045 of 1778 🔗

Smiley Face?

It’s herd mentality in a it’s ugly glory

444679 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to kh1485, 6, #1046 of 1778 🔗

I always liked the Vauxhall Astra – ok, it’s a bit boring but it did the job. I went off it when they brought out the Zeneca version though – it had a habit of going places I didn’t want to go.

444751 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kh1485, 3, #1047 of 1778 🔗

The people I know who’ve had the vaccine have mostly taken a shot of the Astra Zenica.

Side effects have been considerably greater in number (and stronger) than with any ‘flu vaccine. A quick count puts the incidence above 50%, with severe uncontrollable shivvering over 12-24 hours being quite common.

444876 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to kh1485, 1, #1048 of 1778 🔗

Do the shake and vaxx and put the palsy back

444635 mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1049 of 1778 🔗

With local elections coming , I was considering who if anyone I could support and so looked up the Social Democrats (the part of the original SDs who did not amalgamate with Liberals).
Obviously their policy on Covid was on my mind and I link it here :
https://sdp.org.uk/policies/covid-19-pandemic/
It looks fairly moderate compared to the tory and Labour poliies (or shambles of policies) .

444646 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1050 of 1778 🔗

Ay up , just seen this on the SD policy page , concerning transport:

  • We will scrap HS2 and invest some of the freed-up funds to create a Great Northern Railway Network, better linking up the towns and cities of the North of England to unleash their joint potential.

Definitely got my vote now.

444648 ▶▶ isobar, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1051 of 1778 🔗

It does, still includes masks though.

444746 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to isobar, #1052 of 1778 🔗

Wit political parties you have to be careful of what you wish for when you sign up on the basis of one particular policy, even if it’s always a compromise.

444650 ▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1053 of 1778 🔗

The SDP have been the soundest political party for a good few years now.

444653 ▶▶ isobar, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1054 of 1778 🔗

Definitely better than Reform UK. Three months ago I joined up and made a donation. Even offered to stand as a candidate in the LC elections. Had an acknowledgement for the donation but since then not a dicky bird from them.

444680 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mikewaite, #1055 of 1778 🔗

Just got an email from them, re the upcoming elections and local candidates

444636 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1056 of 1778 🔗

All this debt we have now and countries like Sweden and NZ have got away with it, what about that Mr Johnson?

444647 ▶▶ Will, replying to DanClarke, 16, #1057 of 1778 🔗

Not sure NZ have got away with it, they haven’t seen a tourist for a year and that used to be a significant proportion of their GDP.

444654 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to DanClarke, 12, #1058 of 1778 🔗

We should look to South Dakota, Florida, and now Texas.

444687 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to LMS2, 8, #1059 of 1778 🔗

The US has had two huge advantages – the federal structure means some states were able to dissent from the orthodoxy that was imposed here, and with the Republicans and Trump in particular there was real questioning of said orthodoxy on a national party political level, so that it became a real political issue to some extent.

Here we have been cursed with the orthodoxy-worshipping “Conservatives” in office and the leftist Labour pseudo-Opposition whose only complaint has been that the government hasn’t locked down fast enough or hard enough. That’s enabled the government to pretend that the only credible alternative was harder lockdown.

A useless, moribund and personally corrupt political class and elites in general. Time for some populism, and new parties and politicians.

444752 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mark, 1, #1060 of 1778 🔗

Germany has a similar federal structure. No one dissented. To the contrary, the biggest hardline Covidian, with the worst numbers, sits in Bavaria.

444755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JayBee, #1061 of 1778 🔗

In Germany none of the parties of power dissented from the orthodox coronapanic line, so none of the states run by them did so. The US Republicans were by no means a lockdown sceptic party, but enough of their senior figures and influencers raised questions that they functioned as such to some extent.

444662 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1062 of 1778 🔗

-11% GDP for NZ.

And they will never get out of the trap they’ve set.

444691 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1063 of 1778 🔗

I can’t wait to see horse face go down in flames

444649 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 20, #1064 of 1778 🔗

Hill walkers make an attempt on the summit of insanity while unprotected man nearby considers hanging himself from a tree.

444674 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1065 of 1778 🔗

It looks like you can get them in different colours! Something else made in China?

444685 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Biggles, 3, #1066 of 1778 🔗

Going viral?

444699 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to isobar, 5, #1067 of 1778 🔗

You can get them in red as well.

444939 ▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Biggles, #1068 of 1778 🔗

Aren’t they a similar design to dirty clothes hampers?
Get yours here:
ShieldPod – Under the Weather (utwpods.com)

444700 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1069 of 1778 🔗

How do they sleep at night?

444707 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1070 of 1778 🔗

Not a problem – they won’t survive that long.

444722 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to godowneasy, 3, #1071 of 1778 🔗

I long for the day (I’m wishing my life away) in the hopefully not too distant future when people will look back and belly laugh at the “Great Covid Pandemic”.

444739 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to godowneasy, 1, #1072 of 1778 🔗

Looks like an early prototype of the hilariously unfunny ‘Mr Blobby’ character from 90s TV.

444794 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to godowneasy, #1073 of 1778 🔗

Clearly the stopping on the way to remonstrate with the downill walker for putting other people’s lives at risk.

444938 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to godowneasy, #1074 of 1778 🔗

When will the calls to mountain rescue come as they fainted due to lack of oxygen in these tents?
At least they will be easy to spot with the hi-viz colours!

444651 B.F.Finlayson, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 10, #1075 of 1778 🔗

A Data Analyst sent us the following comments on recent data that suggests Covid vaccines may increase susceptibility to the disease in the days immediately following the jab.

Info about the immediate drop in immunity post-vaxx was featured on the 1st Feb 2021 videocast from UK Column, in much greater detail. . Moreover this info has been referenced by several commenters (including me) in the subsequent weeks, particularly with reference to the sudden rise in C19 cases (including deaths) in several care UK homes following vaxx, as well as tragic individual cases. Did someone miss this?
ATL really needs to get its act together and build its anti-lockdown case, rather than scattergun cut and paste and reverting to being a weak (but reassuring…) daily tap on the government’s wrist – complete, of course, with pics of the vacuous government minister in question.
On the other hand, the longer this sh*t show goes on, the longer LDS can thrive and TY can entertain the nation on chat shows. A clear conflict of interest!

444655 ▶▶ Julian, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 9, #1076 of 1778 🔗

Oh honestly, do you seriously think TY undertook LDS to further his career?

444748 ▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Julian, #1077 of 1778 🔗

Looking at the usual government brown-nosing again on ATL today there can be no other reason, can there? Nevertheless, I think he is somewhat naive to believe he will be made a special government advisor at some point, no matter what he does this time around.

444656 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #1078 of 1778 🔗

Could I just ask if anyone has the Chief Executive’s e-mail address for Aldi. Now tried three times with their Customer Services’ Department re. their aggressive mask signage and got absolutely nowhere. Thanks …

444661 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to kh1485, 7, #1079 of 1778 🔗

Handy website for CEO addresses:
https://www.ceoemail.com/index.php?s=A

444695 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 1, #1081 of 1778 🔗

Thanks AR & HGG.

444750 ▶▶ Janette, replying to kh1485, 4, #1082 of 1778 🔗

I just walk in ours maskless, head up high and no one bats an eyelid.

444773 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Janette, 3, #1083 of 1778 🔗

So do I but I take exception to their incorrect signage.

444659 bebophaircut, 4, #1084 of 1778 🔗

Meredith Health Group Eating Well program, joined by Pfizer in 2009:
https://www.marketingdive.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/content/12897.html

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/4-coronavirus-vaccine-stocks-the-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-is-betting-on-2020-09-24

Meredith Health Group again, listing the ingredients of Pfizer and Moderna:
https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/difference-between-pfizer-moderna-vaccine

There are two phosphates and one glycol included. Didn’t Public Health scream bloody murder about glycol use in vaping?

444708 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to merlin, 5, #1086 of 1778 🔗

That they didn’t know this would happen, from the initial 5 minute trials, is yet another glaringly big fat arrow pointing towards how experimental this jab is. Are they really sure these breast changes are benign and temporary? Are they hell.

444776 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to merlin, 4, #1087 of 1778 🔗

MEDICAL SHOCKER: Scientists at Sloan Kettering discover mRNA inactivates tumor-suppressing proteins, meaning it can promote cancer

After your Covid vaccination, RNA is transported out of your cell’s nucleus, and will no longer function properly as a cancer tumor suppressor

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About 20,000 people in the US develop “CLL” chronic lympthocytic leukemia each year. How many will quietly begin developing it now, and then have it suddenly “show up” five years from now? Symptoms include fatigue, enlarged lymph nodes, and night sweats. Did you get mRNA vaccinated and experience those symptoms already? Are those symptoms on the warning label – the vaccine insert? Did you read them?

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-02-scientists-discover-mrna-inactivates-tumor-suppressing-proteins.html

444670 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 20, #1088 of 1778 🔗

I’ve just been listening to Dr Tess Lawrie speaking to Anna Brees about Ivermectin. We were reminded of this letter in the BMJ. It is utterly SCANDALOUS that this cheap, effective and SAFE drug isn’t being used. Of course, we know it’s because the ”vaccines” are lucrative that the news of Ivermectin is being suppressed.
Our government has a lot to answer for if it’s allowing powerful lobbyists to endanger people’s lives like this, for the sake of money, when there is an effective solution that could be implemented immediately.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.m4974/rr

444677 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Banjones, 16, #1089 of 1778 🔗

PS Also the point was made that the Gates Foundation is now running its own ”trials” on Ivermectin (as if there were any need to do so with so many others that are current and accepted). No doubt this is being done in order to discredit it – obviously a conflict of interest if ever there was one.

444692 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Banjones, 5, #1090 of 1778 🔗

Well, one is clearly not allowed to do anything without Uncle Bill’s permission. I suspect the groundswell is too large for him to discredit it now; instead, he will manage to engineer it such that it will be approved thanks to him and his world beating trial. Only after as many vax as possible have been taken of course. Just a guess.

444757 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1091 of 1778 🔗

Another option: he pairs it with something else to make a unique cocktail of drugs, that his trial conveniently shows works even better than Ivermectin on its own, that he can then patent and flog at extortionate cost.

444735 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Banjones, 2, #1092 of 1778 🔗

Doesn’t surprise me. Remember that in the 1890s Rockefeller (who made his fortune in lighting oil) ran advertisements in the press discrediting the new power source of electricity as dangerous, causing fires etc.

444747 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Banjones, 1, #1093 of 1778 🔗

Yes no doubt

444678 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 6, #1094 of 1778 🔗

The Govt want to get rid of as many grannies as possible
Whilst projecting the granny killer meme onto us

444711 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Banjones, 4, #1095 of 1778 🔗

Not just government. SAGE, PHE, every single doctor in the NHS. They should all be on the hook

444731 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Banjones, 5, #1096 of 1778 🔗

My attitude to prophylactic treatments is the same as towards vaccines : just show me the evidence.

So I don’t automatically accept every claim that is mad for various treatments. In the past, research has convinced me, for instance, of the usefulness of Zinc and Vitamin D as supplements – but not of Vitamin C.

However, there is a substantial amount of preliminary evidence that some easily available and relatively cheap drugs may have a significant benefit in the treatment of Covid. It is a massive indictment that scarcely any resource has been put into the detailed RCT-ing of such drugs in comparison with the billions invested in theoretical vaccine remedies. It can only reinforce the suspicion that judgment has been warped by conflicted political and financial interests.

444671 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1097 of 1778 🔗

When we win this War, this is one song that should be broadcast throughout the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdvITn5cAVc
Martha & The Vandellas

444713 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1098 of 1778 🔗

Before I click: ‘Nowhere to Run’ hopefully ….

444676 Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 15, #1099 of 1778 🔗
444684 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1100 of 1778 🔗

Let’s Make a Deal.

444704 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #1101 of 1778 🔗

A bit late.

444721 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, 5, #1102 of 1778 🔗

It is – but someone clearly appears to be gunning for him.
I doubt it’s Harris, she’s probably expecting to be incumbent in 2024 and doesn’t care about Cuomo one bit. I doubt it’s Biden, by the look of him right now he probably can’t spell Cuomo. And though there’s still a sizeable group that still are obsessed with screaming about Trump, despite it being 6 weeks, or whatever, since he packed up and went to Florida, I hardly think it’s him either. so for that reason, I am intrigued.

444682 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 6, #1103 of 1778 🔗

What is the percentage of young people who have taken this vaccine? They should be monitored so we can dtermine if the genetic makeup of their newborn children was altered.

444696 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to bebophaircut, 8, #1104 of 1778 🔗

Assuming they are able to have newborn children in the first place. Which seems to be the nub of the matter.

444702 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to disgruntled246, 3, #1105 of 1778 🔗

So there could be at least two possibilities, sterility or genetic reprogramming.

444743 ▶▶ Janette, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #1106 of 1778 🔗

Yes I agree if they ever get that far. I think there has been 8 miscarriages from women after taking the vaccine.

444686 Ganjan21, replying to Ganjan21, 41, #1107 of 1778 🔗

After my Mum passed away almost 4 years ago, I found this poem printed out on a page in her diary. I’ve just came across it in my own diary, so I thought I would post it here.

To laugh is to risk appearing the fool,
To weep is to risk appearing sentimental.
To reach out is to risk involvement,
To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self.
To place your ideas and dreams before the crowds
is to risk losing their love.
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To live is to risk dying.
To hope is to risk despair.
To try is to risk failure.
But the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing.
The one who risks nothing, does nothing
and has nothing – and eventually is nothing.
He may avoid sufferings and sorrow,
but he simply cannot learn, feel, change, grow or love.
Chained by his certitude, he is always a slave;
He has forfeited freedom.
Only one who risks is free!

(Author Unknown)

444697 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #1108 of 1778 🔗

Maybe your Mother wrote it? Even if she didn’t, her embracing those thoughts kept the profundity of its message alive. Now you must follow suit.

444709 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ganjan21, 9, #1109 of 1778 🔗

What a lovely poem. Thanks for sharing.

444738 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #1110 of 1778 🔗

Great. I like it. That sums most of us up on planet Earth at present.

444688 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 50, #1111 of 1778 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/03/unions-attack-sinister-plan-to-force-nhs-staff-to-have-covid-vaccine

Finally some push back on the road to hell. Any NHS workers here I hope this gives you some strength to stay the course. Unlike PHitchens

444703 ▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1112 of 1778 🔗

Lets hope this has some substance, given the general crumbling of the unions in fronr of the Covod bulldozer (about the same degree of resolution as Johnson and the bulldozers of the third runway)..

444733 ▶▶ Janette, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #1113 of 1778 🔗

Great I suppose it’s a start but why dont they go that bit further and say a vaccine is unnecessary and it is still in experimental stages?

444742 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1114 of 1778 🔗

This is great news!

444744 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1115 of 1778 🔗

‘the Vatican has said Catholics can take vaccines that have been developed using cell lines derived from aborted foetuses.’
Oh that’s OK then.

444802 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mic67, #1116 of 1778 🔗

Yes, it’s not as if popes had principles.
Not since the Borgias, anyway.

444693 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 28, #1117 of 1778 🔗

WoW it’s looking very bad for Nic-Sturg-Un, my confidence in her imminent resignation is growing! She looks fooked, Hooray.

444779 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #1118 of 1778 🔗

Let’s hope she takes that other witch devil sridhar with her.

May be they can both get the next flight to auckland.

444781 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1119 of 1778 🔗

Never thought I would live long enough to see Salmond & Galloway team up across the isle to flush that turd

444698 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 3, #1120 of 1778 🔗

Just caught an Ad for a cup/frame placed inside your mask,the USP is ‘Reclaim your Breath’

444712 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1121 of 1778 🔗

Will our cups runneth over?

444701 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 59, #1122 of 1778 🔗

A few weeks ago I posted about technocracy and how once you understand it, everything makes sense . I’ve noticed that there are a lot more highly upvoted posts on this subject lately, which is good to see.

The reason I mention this today is because I just saw this:

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In a normal society you’d think “great, this will help make it easier for people to buy their own homes”, yet we’re not in a normal society. We’re in a society that they’re slowly killing so they can attempt to usher in a new, technocratic society.

Part of a technocratic society is that you don’t own anything and you’re paid a Universal Basic Income by the state. The reason they’re extending the stamp duty holiday and the reason they’re lowering mortgage deposits is because they want people in as much debt as possible. They’ll be especially hoping that people on furlough take advantage of this. That way, when they end furlough and decide it’s time to crash the economy, the people who borrowed more than they could afford to pay back, and the people who have now lost their jobs and are unable to get another one, will be completely dependent on the state. Then, when these very people have no money they’ll have no choice but to be completely compliant with whatever the state demands. And what will that be? “We’ll move you into this megacity, put you on Universal Basic Income, you’ll own nothing, you’ll take whatever vaccines we decide to give you” etc etc.

444714 ▶▶ merlin, replying to John Galt, 11, #1123 of 1778 🔗

Sounds like subprime with experimental poisons

444732 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to merlin, 1, #1124 of 1778 🔗

Those hidden extra’s they always talk about!

444830 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to merlin, 4, #1125 of 1778 🔗

Jabprime

444716 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to John Galt, 15, #1126 of 1778 🔗

Mark Windows of Windows on the World has stated this fact several times over the years. And so far, it is working very well. Devious, isn’t it? Boris is not your friend.

444720 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to John Galt, 18, #1127 of 1778 🔗

Probably no accident at all that this same madness precipitated the crash in 2008 followed swiftly by the 2009 Swine Flu “pandemic” with so many similar features to the current madness it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

444727 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to John Galt, 10, #1128 of 1778 🔗

Debt is one thing I don’t own. Not a single penny owed to anyone.

444737 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1129 of 1778 🔗

They’ll try Green policies to remedy that

445107 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to DanClarke, 6, #1130 of 1778 🔗

Yes. The majority of people who are “comfortably-off” with a nice home in a rural village, listen to me expounding on this and think that they will be immune. They won’t be.

Once the “Joe Averages” have been herded into the micro-homes (see https://www.tinyhouseuk.co.uk/ ) then the self-satisfied middle class will be attacked with an unholy savagery. Massive increases in fuel duty, followed by massive increases in council tax in rural areas will mean that the owners or their descendants will need to sell to the elites.

This will result in micro-homes and travel via rail or bicycle for everyone except the very top elites. They even show you the society in “The Hunger Games”, so they can tell you that you were warned beforehand.

445014 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #1131 of 1778 🔗

Which chimes with someone I know saying to me “Just how would the Government be able to get at someone like you anyway? As you won’t have a mortgage/debt/etc they can use against you”. Precisely!

445162 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Anti_socialist, #1132 of 1778 🔗

Same here. Even my credit card has a small balance in my favour, for reasons not worth explaining!

444883 ▶▶ leggy, replying to John Galt, 6, #1133 of 1778 🔗

I’m working my nuts off to clear my mortgage ASAP for exactly this reason. When the financial house of cards is brought crashing down, I don’t want to be in anyone’s pocket.

445010 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to John Galt, 3, #1134 of 1778 🔗

The thought does cross my mind sometimes to wonder whether the Government might use the “got to be available for work” card on unemployed people to turn round to them and say something like “Well – you won’t be deemed to be fully available for work (eg to take carer jobs) if you’ve not been jabbed”. Not sure whether they’d take no for answer if the response was the one I’d give of “I do office jobs anyway – not carer jobs”.

445043 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to John Galt, 3, #1135 of 1778 🔗

The mistake they make is that the housing market is relatively competitive. That means that any attempt to make it easier to buy a house will simply push up prices. Same with longer mortgage terms, lower deposits, lower interest rates etc.

445208 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to John Galt, 4, #1136 of 1778 🔗

The only thing I’ll say is that utopian plans of this nature have throughout history always gone wrong, usually in unexpected and unpleasant ways.

444706 bebophaircut, 5, #1137 of 1778 🔗

Myopic Dystopia.
Devious Nihilists.

444728 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 21, #1139 of 1778 🔗

The Great Reset is in motion,
We can see that all as fact,
The data doesn’t add up,
They used the virus to distract.

While we were loudly clapping,
And standing distanced in a queue,
They were busy deconstructing,
The world that we once knew.

The phrase to build back better,
Is being shared around the earth,
The world we know is gone,
The new normal has been birthed.

444851 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Liberty, 2, #1140 of 1778 🔗

Oh flipping eck….that hits the spot 😳

444811 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Victoria, 18, #1142 of 1778 🔗

Unfortunately I strongly believe that too many people in the UK are too far gone now. Either through ignorance, indifference or stupidity many people now just couldn’t cope with a reversal in the current system without actually following through with the predictable government intentions.

There are sheeple out there in the street who will probably never remove the masks and if they do at all they will be back wearing them every year from September until April to try and avoid the sniffles.

People seem to be wilfully ignorant but arrogant enough to shout down those who have actually ‘followed the science’ (for what thats worth).

444844 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mike, 9, #1143 of 1778 🔗

Yes, they are wearing masks in the street, with no one else around, thinking it’s a gas mask. It can’t work, the government advice explicitly states that “it does not protect you”, and there’s nobody there to be protected from, anyway. Thick as feck.

444730 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 10, #1144 of 1778 🔗

Artificial Intelligence=The end of Human Interaction, Empathy, the Senses. The Robotization of the Human Soul. Cult of Evil.

444736 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1145 of 1778 🔗

They are Insecure Psychopaths said David Icke on Alex Jones, yesterday.

444734 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1146 of 1778 🔗

Am hearing that schools are being paid to test pupils. Anyone have any hard evidence, or any school heads want to whistle blow?

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1367084754374455298

444741 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Victoria, 17, #1147 of 1778 🔗

I do know it must be costing a fortune that could be better spent on other stuff. I work in a school office and we’ve had endless deliveries of equipment, such as special bins to dispose of the swabs and special bags for the bins, plus several staff being taken away from other duties to supervise (I am refusing to have anything to do with it).

444800 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #1148 of 1778 🔗

Good for you, standing aside from this poisonous rubbish.
And by God in heaven, rubbish is the word.

444816 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Annie, 4, #1149 of 1778 🔗

I’m only part time and I have other things going on so it is easy for me to take a stand. Not so easy if you’re a full-timer who’s dependent on the salary.

444740 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #1150 of 1778 🔗

Dr Claire Craig: There’s a serious problem with excess deaths in the under 64s at the moment. The peak was far higher than in the older groups and it is not coming down as fast. The difference amounts to over 700 deaths in 60-64 yrs and 1000 in the under 60s.

https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1366822025285820416


444774 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Basileus, 4, #1151 of 1778 🔗

Yes I posted this link to David Clark’s graphs that he has kept since this thing started. It shows the same effect. It has to be the effect of lockdowns and NHS inadequacies. Of course nothing in the MSM.
http://djclark.co.uk/WuFluPanic.html

445048 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Basileus, 1, #1152 of 1778 🔗

My money is on the extension to the over 50s and 60s of the flu vaccination during the summer and autumn. Who knows?

444749 Victoria, 14, #1154 of 1778 🔗

Extending furlough does not protect jobs. It enables the govt to keep people locked up while the Bank of England prints devalued money for them

Vaccinations should have enabled jobs to be protected by opening the economy.

https://twitter.com/benhabib6/status/1367079972293246981

444758 pub with no beer, replying to pub with no beer, 7, #1156 of 1778 🔗

Latest Ivor Cummins video with Gabor Erdosi is worth watching , a bit technical, brilliant as always.
Also on Bitchute Amazing Polly latest vid about the CDC and flu vax uptake 2003

444792 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #1157 of 1778 🔗

amazing polly is a bit dubious, she swallowed all the trump crap.

444806 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #1158 of 1778 🔗

she has been doing vids a long time, and pulls up some very interesting threads and connecting the dots. TDS is real to those who do not consider that the USA constitution matters for civil liberties, The American people need to stand up to the blatant corruption with or without Trump in the picture.

444831 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to pub with no beer, #1159 of 1778 🔗

I’ve been watching her stuff for a fair while, she would make a good investigative journalist (she is a good investigative journalist) but she buys into all Qanon stuff (which I don’t follow) it makes her unreliable.

444905 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1160 of 1778 🔗

There is no Qanon.

It’s someone, or several someones who post anonymously as ‘Q’, and other anonymous users who analyse the cryptic messages.

444906 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, #1161 of 1778 🔗

What “Trump crap”?

444759 Victoria, 22, #1162 of 1778 🔗

“Furlough until September is like convincing someone to rob their own home. It’s a strategy devoid of hope. It’s bribery, not leadership.”

https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1367073564990574599

444762 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 32, #1163 of 1778 🔗

German Court in Weimar Declares Lockdown Unconstitutional
https://ahrp.org/german-court-in-weimar-declares-lockdown-unconstitutional/

444767 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Victoria, 6, #1164 of 1778 🔗

This will be featured in ATL sometime next month, perhaps…

444787 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Victoria, 3, #1165 of 1778 🔗

https://thefatemperor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Coronavirus-History-Overview-article-Long.pdf
long read about Germany and the WHO, from Ivor Cummins a few weeks ago

444790 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 4, #1166 of 1778 🔗

I’m of a mind not to believe it, sounds too good to be true, this could be it, where things actually change!

444902 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1167 of 1778 🔗

It was ATL a while back. Old news in Covid terms. Roundly ignored by msm

444918 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1168 of 1778 🔗

Hmm thought it was new, see the date now, can recall seeing it before.

444807 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Victoria, 11, #1169 of 1778 🔗

The only problem I can see, is this ruling is specific to the area of Germany in the article. It’s not the whole of Germany.

however if we dare dream, maybe it will become the whole of Germany, then Europe, and us, then the rest of the world 🤞

444925 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #1170 of 1778 🔗

A federal society. Then again so is the USA and some states like Texas are beginning to pull away from the BS.

444922 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Victoria, #1171 of 1778 🔗

Weimar – an evocative place…

444927 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Victoria, 2, #1172 of 1778 🔗

This is the ruling from late January which related to a meeting of people (for a birthday) in May 2020 in the courtyard of their house. The judge criticised the policies, but the state prosecutor appealed.
Sadly this judgement has no wider influence, except for setting an example of a judge who was not afraid to speak out.

444766 merlin, replying to merlin, 24, #1173 of 1778 🔗

If you believe in the predictive power of stock markets then there is some good news :
Astra zeneca stock is down 15 pct over last 6 months, and even down 2 pct over 1 year period . Even sunaks outsize investment is moderna is down 25 pct from the all time high.

Maybe big pharma have pushed too far this time with this fake pandemic.

444782 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to merlin, 7, #1174 of 1778 🔗

And, no doubt, its aggressive lobbying against Ivermectin. (Though that’s just a guess, of course.)

444785 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Banjones, 7, #1175 of 1778 🔗

Ivermectin is a ticking time bomb for big pharma and their dealers( doctors).

444768 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #1176 of 1778 🔗

About to watch a video on YouTube during my lunch break and as usual was assailed by a stream of silly adverts on Weightloss including a bizarre one about “pooping yourself thin”. I marvelled at the hypocrisy of a platform that will censor or “fact check” scientists and doctors with unimpeachable track records because they deviate from the WHO Covid narrative but is quite happy to push complete nonsense in the form of paid advertising.

444791 ▶▶ Annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #1177 of 1778 🔗

Don’t you mean ‘complete crap’?

444804 ▶▶ isobar, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #1178 of 1778 🔗

It’s only so they can get those anal swabs in more easily

444770 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 41, #1179 of 1778 🔗

Fuck me. It’s official, I work with numbskulls….I quote

‘i’ve had my vaccine..yay’

‘well done you, I’m so jealous’

Sadly, my friendly squirrel was nowhere to be seen so I took the opportunity to pick my nose.

444780 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to stefarm, 15, #1180 of 1778 🔗

As I said yesterday (I do tend to repeat myself) the Newspeak greeting is: ”Adjerjab yet?”

444775 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 16, #1181 of 1778 🔗

Thoughts on utopias. And resets.

“The revolutionary poet Mayakovsky claimed that life after the communist revolution was good and it was good to be alive. However, this did not stop Mayakovsky from shooting himself several years later.”

Vladislav Surkov

444921 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #1182 of 1778 🔗

It would be interesting to compare the USSR’s suicide rate, especially in the 1970s and 1980s, to that of Russia under Yeltsin, the time of “wild capitalism”. I was there and the impression I had was that society was collapsing.
One of the grimmest films I ever saw was Lilya 4-Ever but the main character’s suicide in capitalist Sweden was very post-socialist.

445477 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Waldorf, #1183 of 1778 🔗

Grim film but damn good.

By the way, two thirds of the Swedish population just choked on their meatballs at your description of Sweden as “capitalist”. Life really is not as binary as that, you know.

444784 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 25, #1184 of 1778 🔗

Great budget for the public sector – no pay freeze, no pension freeze, happy all around! You? Go back to work – we need your money to pay benefits and furloughs.

444965 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to TheClone, -1, #1185 of 1778 🔗

After the last year, surely you realise we need no such thing.

444788 Cecil B, 5, #1186 of 1778 🔗

Fantastic, we are going to be free, healthy, and rich

444789 Annie, replying to Annie, 47, #1187 of 1778 🔗

Just been chatting to a friend whose husband has been laid up with ‘awful fluey symptoms’ after the AS jab, while a jabbed relative has been in bed for a week – fluey symptoms and nausea.
How nice to be protected from a disease that gives you … Awful fluey symptoms.

444796 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Annie, 20, #1188 of 1778 🔗

For most people covid will be milder than a cold

444805 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to merlin, 32, #1189 of 1778 🔗

There have been dozens of people, staff and pupils who have had it at the school where we live, not a single hospitalisation. Why anyone under 60, without comorbidities, would take a “vaccine” granted an emergency license is beyond my comprehension.

444814 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Will, 11, #1190 of 1778 🔗

Let’s say anyone under 80.

444832 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Will, 10, #1191 of 1778 🔗

Fear has scrambled their brains, if they had any in the first place

444949 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Will, 4, #1192 of 1778 🔗

that’s been my observation too, of the many I’ve known who have allegedly ‘had’ it (I reserve judgment on whether it actually exists at all) it has been in most cases a bad cold, and in the worst cases, a bad flu. there is literally nothing to see here, and I am frankly astonished at just how successful the brainwashing has bee

445058 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to JaneHarry, #1193 of 1778 🔗

A good friend did die of it. But he was 74 a lifelong drinker and smoker.

444813 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to merlin, 4, #1194 of 1778 🔗

Perhaps the tense ought to be: ”may have been milder…” because it certainly seems to be fast vanishing.

444801 ▶▶ Will, replying to Annie, 15, #1195 of 1778 🔗

My sister has been knocked about by the AZ as well. What with that and her son testing positive and missing his shoulder operation, for a third time, and it almost certainly being a false positive, I half suspect her to start posting on here!?!?

444810 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Annie, 12, #1196 of 1778 🔗

And I bet neither of them have reported this on the Yellow card system?

444824 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #1197 of 1778 🔗

These are deemed acceptable side effects. They don’t publicise it because they know full well it would impact take-up.

444833 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Redundant Pilot, 14, #1198 of 1778 🔗

My neighbour had ‘the jab’ a month or so ago. He was really quite ill for about 5 days. Did he report it? Nope. He didn’t even know about the scheme, his wife said.
How many other severe cases go unreported, because someone takes to their bed, recovers, and thinks ”thank goodness”? (In fact, probably even worse than the virus itself – which I think my neighbour had last May anyway. Which begs the question……)

444969 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 2, #1199 of 1778 🔗

They say the scheme picks up around 1 to 5% of reactions. More severe ones are generally reported but you have to say its a lot greater than on the Yellow Card

445158 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Banjones, #1200 of 1778 🔗

If somebody takes to their bed with a bad reaction to the “vaccine” they won’t be in a fit state to deal with bureaucratic form-filling. And as you say, when they recover they’ll just want to put it all behind them so they won’t report it then either.

444827 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Annie, 45, #1201 of 1778 🔗

My neighbour had the jab a week ago, been sick as a dog ever since. He’s been cowering in his home for a year, no joke (we thought he’d either moved out or died), no contact with anyone bar the Sainsbury’s delivery driver all with the aim of avoiding getting sick from the lurgy. Has the jab and has been sicker than he’s been in years. I had to try really hard not to laugh at the prat (my sympathy died months ago).

444829 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Mike, 33, #1202 of 1778 🔗

Ask him if he is excited about second dose .

444835 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to merlin, 25, #1203 of 1778 🔗

‘Looking forward to the jab? Shame it won’t let us go out or meet people or go without masks or do anything different to anyone who hasn’t had it, but good news, eh?’

444896 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Cranmer, 4, #1204 of 1778 🔗

So what’s the point of it prey tell me?

444847 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Annie, 7, #1205 of 1778 🔗

I’ve had the virus and it wasn’t as bad as that!

444888 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Annie, 8, #1206 of 1778 🔗

Same for my Mum. 4 weeks later and she still feels terrible. I hope I’ve managed to successfully used the govt’s own “90% effective after 1st jab” propaganda in order to get her to ditch the 2nd one.

445138 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to Annie, #1207 of 1778 🔗

Same with me. Don’t know why i bothered.

444793 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #1208 of 1778 🔗

Furlough scheme extended until after the end of the summer rioting season

444795 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1209 of 1778 🔗

A handy sedation tool.

444797 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 13, #1210 of 1778 🔗

Only just found this while I was looking for evidence to back up my assertion about ”passports” to show a family member who’d just called me a ”conspiracy theorist” for saying the government’s dirty work would be done by big business:
(not paywalled):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2021/01/24/government-funds-eight-vaccine-passport-schemes-despite-no-plans/

444861 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Banjones, #1211 of 1778 🔗

There is a paywall I’m afraid

444875 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to HoMojo, 6, #1212 of 1778 🔗

“Government funds eight vaccine passport schemes despite ‘no plans’ for rollout
The schemes looked at developing technology which could link facial biometrics with immunity status

Transparency documents from innovation agency InnovateUK have shown that more than £450,000 worth of government grants have been allocated to companies developing vaccine passports – where users can prove digitally that they have received a Covid-19 vaccine.

Vaccine passports are being considered by many countries including Cyprus, who hope their use would open up society for people who have already received a coronavirus vaccine.

It comes as over-50s travel firm travel company Saga said that anybody going on one of its holidays or cruises in 2021 must be fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

The revelation will raise the prospect that Britain could end up using vaccine passports, despite the Government saying they were not under consideration.”

444964 ▶▶▶▶ TimeIsNow, replying to LMS2, 2, #1213 of 1778 🔗

So facial biometrics. Scanning who we are whilst just walking around. Dark times ahead.

444900 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1214 of 1778 🔗

Hit escape key twice as the page loads, can take a few attempts.

445089 ▶▶▶▶ Phillips13, replying to Liam, #1215 of 1778 🔗

You, sir, are a hero.

444870 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Banjones, 6, #1216 of 1778 🔗

https://v-healthpassport.co.uk
There’s also this, from a year ago: “V-Health Passport, The People’s Passport” (meaning you won’t be able to go anywhere, do anything without it, and we’re calling it the “People’s Passport” because we’re secret commies who want to control everyone).

And this from last May:

https://www.verdict.co.uk/vst-enterprises/
Corona virus digital passports.

444909 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Banjones, 2, #1217 of 1778 🔗

Also a handy one for those who laugh and reach for their lazy slurs when Gates is linked to the current situation.

This, from Harvard, April last year, GAVI discussing digital ID. A Covid-19 Vaccine Will Need Equitable, Global Distribution (hbr.org)

444992 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Banjones, 1, #1218 of 1778 🔗

I know I have posted this before but worth it again (I hope) to show this was before 2020/2021 and the “deadly” virus.

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf

444798 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #1219 of 1778 🔗

Back in 1985 Harry Frankfurter wrote an essay entitled On Bullshit . It is about people who do not care about the truth, about facts, about being accurate. He argues that they are not liars, even though what they say may well be entirely false (although it does not have to be). He explains this apparent paradox by pointing out that for them the facts are simply not a relevant criterion. They are neither trying to be accurate nor to promote falsehoods. Their concern is solely with persuading people to believe what they are saying, and what they are saying is motivated by a concern to promote themselves. What they care about is what others think of them.

Frankfurtwer’s essay is more relevant today than it was when it was written. The lack of concern for facts and accuracy characterises the taken for granted assumptions of the contemporary elites, especially the political media elite. This can be seen perfectly clearly in official narratives, where “facts’ are often just made up and repeated over and over, where words can mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean, where virtue signalling is all-pervasive.

These characteristics are blatant in the official coronavirus narrative. The “facts’ bear little or no relation to reality. The keywords do not refer to what the words denote. The carriers of the narrative construe themselves educated, knowledgeable, and moral; and any dissent as ignorant, immoral and dangerous.

This analysis suggests that pointing out the factual errors, the logical fallacies, any rational critique will be completely ineffective as an attempt to persuade the carriers of the narrative because it is completely irrelevant to them. They are not concerned with reason and evidence. They are concerned only with their self image. So criticising their narrative is, for them, an attack on their self. This can only provoke a defensive response. Such people will only change their position when it seems to them that the new position makes them look good, better than the prior narrative.

444803 ▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, -11, #1220 of 1778 🔗

Harry Frankfurter….

Frankfurtwer’s essay…

Are you quite sure about these, err, facts?

444809 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 5, #1221 of 1778 🔗
444812 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, -12, #1222 of 1778 🔗

5 a4 pages? i’m not that interested.

444933 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, -5, #1223 of 1778 🔗

LOL such negativity from a bunch of idiots thinking reading 5 A4 sheets of bullshit is a sensible way to spend time. Ya knobs.

444817 ▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, -7, #1224 of 1778 🔗

I repeat my question, who is Harry Frankfurter?

444819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #1225 of 1778 🔗

A Princeton professor.

444826 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Steve Hayes, -8, #1226 of 1778 🔗

Nope, try again.

444820 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to B.F.Finlayson, #1227 of 1778 🔗

Sounds like a sausage to me.

444825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Anti_socialist, -7, #1228 of 1778 🔗

I think you are closer to the truth than you think…

444848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to B.F.Finlayson, -3, #1229 of 1778 🔗

Who are the down thumb imbeciles? I hope they realize it just makes me laugh.

444823 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 3, #1230 of 1778 🔗

A philosophy professor at Princeton apparently. Though it’s Frankfurt.

444828 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to Jo Starlin, -11, #1231 of 1778 🔗

Not too hard to get the facts right, is it?

444834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ eastender53, replying to B.F.Finlayson, 7, #1232 of 1778 🔗

To err is human. Clearly you believe yourself above that.

444839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ B.F.Finlayson, replying to eastender53, -3, #1233 of 1778 🔗

You mean to Hamburg -err is human, don’t you?

444808 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #1234 of 1778 🔗

I can relate to this, because despite living by two principles in life, truth & freedom, I really don’t care about the facts behind lockdown nothing justifies it! I can’t imagine any scenario where i’d find it acceptable.

444815 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 71, #1235 of 1778 🔗

Just had the very unexpected bonus of a social visit! My Scots mate from the pub has been working in Melton Mowbray today and dropped off a proper pork pie. Invited him in for a beer and we had a good rant. He’s absolutely sick of it and in his words: “The bastards just keep making up excuses to keep us fucking miserable.”

Great to have a real world chat with someone sane. He hates Sturgeon with a deep, burning passion as well, which is always good to hear.

444836 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #1236 of 1778 🔗

A bright moment in what is an otherwise dull afternoon then.

444857 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Nymeria, 9, #1237 of 1778 🔗

Yes, although a bitter reminder that we’re not sat on bar stools for our usual couple of pints around work knocking off time.

444863 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #1238 of 1778 🔗

Yes. Not quite the same around the kitchen table, is it.

444842 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #1239 of 1778 🔗

He hates Sturgeon with a deep, burning passion

Oh, i’m liking him a lot! & i’ve never met him.

444866 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #1240 of 1778 🔗

A former NCO in the Scots Guards and not given to mincing his words.

444879 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #1241 of 1778 🔗

Watch out for the porky pie variant. Mind you I think they are all porky pie variants.

444884 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 7, #1242 of 1778 🔗

I can identify two crimes there: 1. Travelling without good reason during lockdown and 2. A non-criminal hate statement against the Dear Leader. Kindly report to 77th Brigade HQ for a beasting.

444822 peyrole, 13, #1243 of 1778 🔗

France versus UK
Just thought I would share the latest ‘recorded covid deaths’ in both countries, as I am sure reading the UK MSM most get the impression that France is suffering from no vaccinations etc. The FT graph linked shows currently both countries on almost identical 7 day moving average position, however the trend is vastly different with the UK having 50% more recorded deaths overall with roughly the same population.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=fra&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths
Also linked is an english description of the French vaccination ‘campaign’. Two things of significance. It describes ‘willing’ participants, people have to get make their own appointments. No vaccination under 18 years.
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/France-Covid-19-vaccine-campaign-calendar-and-key-dates-for-2021?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=111d8f0418-Newsletter_Feb_12_2021_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9b5fbe85b4-111d8f0418-357796174

444838 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 26, #1244 of 1778 🔗

Last post today on the Telegraph’s propaganda war.

“I’m 25 and terrified of going to restaurants, bars and clubs when they reopen.”

It’s the photograph that bothers me. The cheerful, proud, positive face. She’s wearing her delusional psychosis as a badge of honour. The world has been turned upside down.

444849 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 25, #1245 of 1778 🔗

The comments were 99.9% along the lines of what a wuss

444850 ▶▶ willhhand, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #1246 of 1778 🔗

Never mind the face, I wouldn’t say no, vax or no vax!

444853 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 8, #1247 of 1778 🔗

Stunning and (not very) brave.

444855 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 11, #1248 of 1778 🔗

It might be a photo from pre-2020.

Either way, what an idiot. What’s she scared of, apart from overpriced booze?

444859 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 9, #1249 of 1778 🔗

What a waste of a pretty face

444936 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to merlin, 5, #1250 of 1778 🔗

Pretty vacant

444955 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1251 of 1778 🔗

Yes clearly. I feel sorry for them tbh- must have even thicker parents.

444865 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #1252 of 1778 🔗

Needs to read this twitter thread by Dr Simon. Fear kills the measures kill

https://twitter.com/goddeketal/status/1366752754144796674

444877 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 17, #1253 of 1778 🔗

25! She’s young healthy and pretty and she’s going to waste time being scared. Goodness me, she’ll probably get a vaccine she doesn’t need and wear a mask forever. If she was my daughter I’d be having a few words with her.

444880 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 13, #1254 of 1778 🔗

She’ll go soon enough when she sees her less attractive friends scooping up all the ‘talent’ in the clubs.

444881 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 17, #1255 of 1778 🔗

I had my 33 y.o. woke millennial brother say the same thing to me – even if the pubs were open, no-one would go to them for fear of getting the virus. I despair.

444892 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1256 of 1778 🔗

Crikey

444903 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Ewan Duffy, 20, #1257 of 1778 🔗

Jeez, I’m 53 riddled with health issues but can’t wait to sit in a busy restaurant. Weird innit.

444915 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1258 of 1778 🔗

Once you’ve cut through the exaggerated fear porn, you only have to be able to do basic counting to see how unlikely it is that you will come across the 1 in c. 5000 who might actually have an infectious virus but are well enough to be in a club.

… and then you’ve got to catch it! (~17% chance in households).

444934 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to RickH, 4, #1259 of 1778 🔗

Yes, that’s what really struck me reading the results of the Pfizer trials. out of c 40,000 participants, only 170 actually got covid. that’s less than 0.5%.

444961 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1260 of 1778 🔗

Leave them to stew. They think they are the entire world because they’ve been on Twitter, when there are a few thousand of them at best.

444910 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 5, #1261 of 1778 🔗

Whilst I am partly sympathetic to the ravages wrought by the fear agenda – there’s nothing compulsory about going to bars and clubs.

444971 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to RickH, 5, #1262 of 1778 🔗

True. I also thought, had I’d been 25 now, I am pretty sure I would have done a little bit of research myself before becoming a Covid adherent.

444960 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #1263 of 1778 🔗

In that case stay in your room and lock the door. Throw away your comms device and wait until it is all over.

Then the rest of us can get on with our life.

444963 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #1264 of 1778 🔗

Shouldn’t that be “if they reopen”?

444988 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #1265 of 1778 🔗

She looks terrified – not!

444841 eastender53, replying to eastender53, 8, #1266 of 1778 🔗

So St. Dolly is throwing her sizable assets behind the jab brainwash. Now I wouldn’t wish anyone ill but what if she passes?

444845 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to eastender53, 2, #1267 of 1778 🔗

St Dolly?

444868 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1268 of 1778 🔗

Parton.

444852 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to eastender53, 5, #1269 of 1778 🔗

I just looked up what she’s on about and I threw up in my mouth.

444869 ▶▶ franknhonest, replying to eastender53, 3, #1270 of 1778 🔗

I like Dolly but I think she’s gone off track here

444874 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to franknhonest, 4, #1271 of 1778 🔗

I thought you said “off rack” for a minute there….

444873 ▶▶ merlin, replying to eastender53, 3, #1272 of 1778 🔗

Her assets may explode with the jab

444986 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to merlin, 2, #1273 of 1778 🔗

UK Column does an excellent analysis of the language used in the ad. Major psy-op stuff. Relevant section starts here: https://youtu.be/P9ncvrolaIQ?t=1463

444878 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to eastender53, 7, #1274 of 1778 🔗

I’m sure this has been thrashed out here before but I just checked the definition of ‘vaccine’;

a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

Do the Moderna, Pfizer, Astro-Zeneca and Sputnik covid potions meet that definition?

444982 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1275 of 1778 🔗

No. Hence the need to push them out unlicensed under cover of being vaxxes for emergency use.
They’re prophylactic medications (at best) and would have to undergo stringent testing to be licensed as such.

444911 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to eastender53, 3, #1276 of 1778 🔗

I saw that, it was awful. Would we notice if she passed? She’s mostly plastic.

444858 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 20, #1277 of 1778 🔗

I just spotted this from a chap called Simon on Twitter https://twitter.com/OO51HAR

I only scraped a C in GCSE maths! but he seems to be making a very valid point about what appears to be built-in fraud in the upcoming mass school testing.

Ive enclosed his letter to Sir Graham Brady in the graphic below as I felt it was worth sharing on the board. Hope that’s ok.

444862 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to SimonCook, 7, #1278 of 1778 🔗

That will be on its way to my daughter’s headmaster shortly, thanks Simon.

444895 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to SimonCook, 3, #1279 of 1778 🔗

Excellent

444901 ▶▶ RickH, replying to SimonCook, 5, #1280 of 1778 🔗

Yes – an excellent summary of a major issue … and there are other massive issues to be addressed.

In summary – the whole scam is anti-science.

444867 merlin, replying to merlin, 25, #1281 of 1778 🔗

So sunak freezes tax thresholds for 5 years just as inflation is set to sky rocket.So after tax you will have fuck all but keep slaving on and keep getting stabbed- save nhs innit.

444887 ▶▶ Mark, replying to merlin, 14, #1282 of 1778 🔗

Those darned “Conservative” Party “hard righters” and their low tax, small government policies, eh?

444908 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 10, #1283 of 1778 🔗

I like the “ low tax, small government policies ” I just don’t like the Tories, they’re crony capitalists! Tories are an oxymoron, they keep saying government is no good at running things, but they keep campaigning to be in government, so they evidently don’t think they’re any good themselves.

Personally I Just hates needless rules & conformity.

444931 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #1284 of 1778 🔗

Agree fully. Hate the Tories but my god that Starmer is useless, even his efforts at a joke fall flat.

445131 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, #1285 of 1778 🔗

Typo? Do you mean ‘needles, rules and authority’?

444957 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to merlin, -2, #1286 of 1778 🔗

just as inflation is set to sky rocket”

I do hope you’ve put a spread bet on that. I’ll definitely be able to retire taking the other side.

445030 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lucan Grey, #1287 of 1778 🔗

Did you ever answer the query from the ex-treasury guy here about how you square your belief in the endless efficacy of the magic money forest with foreign exchange and trade issues?

444871 BeBopRockSteady, 13, #1288 of 1778 🔗

Eat better, save lives.

Personal responsibility. Better advice from professionals.

We’ve been saying it here since April last year, but this is an excellent summary

https://www.europeanscientist.com/en/article-of-the-week/covid-19-and-the-elephant-in-the-room/

444872 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 15, #1289 of 1778 🔗

Killing Elderly with vaccines?!
I have read a lot of anecdotal stories of care home deaths. I was comparing UK covid recorded deaths with those in France, and noticed it was such a different shape over the winter. Then I looked at excess deaths on EuroMomo and noticed that it was not UK , it was England only.
The links below are to the FT covid graph over the winter for UK snd France; plus the Euromomo graphs for total excess deaths same period, showing England.
It shouts out that something very bad happened in January in England. Just after the start of the vaccination campaign. It shows in the covid graph and thetotal excess death graph. I originally thought it might be lockdown , not covid related, but the more you look at the dates the more you think this was vaccination related, vacccination of the over 80s in care homes.
I think these graphs show state homicide in a vast quantity.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=fra&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=fra&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usaz&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usnd&areasRegional=ussd&cumulative=0&logScale=0&per100K=1&startDate=2020-09-01&values=deaths

444886 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 6, #1290 of 1778 🔗

Variants is the fall back for the narrative. But what is your view? Joe Smalley has done an excellent analysis which clearly points to a different power driving the January death wave than the November wave. And it’s concentrated in care homes. This is also being seen in Spain, Germany, Gibraltar, Seychelles, Israel.

So what is it? Strong evidence suggests for me (1) below but we have a few options maybe:

1. The vaccines in their way create coronavirus factories to induce an immune response. This is overwhelming the elderly and frail. Which makes it a nonsense to vaccinate them.

2. It renders them susceptible to Covid and, unfortunately, there have been outbreak. However the fact this is happening in many care homes dilutes this argument. Too many coincidences for me.

3. You are seeing contamination of dose batches leading to fatalities. This outlines many of tbe issues you can have when you go from small trials to mass production. Issues around vaccine safety can be created simply due to the need to scale up and the different processes that are deployed to manufacturer the product.

http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/

4. It’s a variant of concern. Unlucky. But this would be picked up immediately to explain away the situation if it was shown to be so. I think we can dismiss that.

444904 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1291 of 1778 🔗

Do you have a link to the Joe Smalley ansalysis please? Options 1 and 3 are feasible.

444974 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 3, #1292 of 1778 🔗

Check out the pandemic podcast with Dan Gregory

444981 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1293 of 1778 🔗

Will do, thanks. I have found Joel Smalley on his twitter feed. Not the best medium for this sort of thing! Anyway he has produced graphs of vaccination of over 80s in care homes in Endland and seperately for Scotland. I haven’t attempted to try to overlay them on the FT graphs but just by eye there must be a very good correlation. As he rightly says correlation isn’t causation, but still….!

445122 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1294 of 1778 🔗

There was no wave in November. Look at the graph – can you see one?

444890 ▶▶ RickH, replying to peyrole, 1, #1295 of 1778 🔗

I’m not sure about deaths related to vaccines, even tho’ I’m one of those who won’t swallow he snake oil; there needs to be a lot more work done.

However – a word of caution on Euromomo graphs. There is an underlying problem about the term ‘excess deaths’ that has concerned me right from the start of this shit-show, and the Euromomo definition and consequent calculation of z-scores is highly questionable when you start making cross-country comparisons.

(The CEBM has a very useful illustrative article about how the different ways of calculating a regression affects calculations of ‘excess’ – and that’s before you get to the choosing of a baseline period)

444916 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to RickH, 3, #1296 of 1778 🔗

Agree that any stastical anaysis is not without its problems and you have to be careful interpreting them. I don’t like z-scores either, but at least they are consistently wrong. I think overall messages of shapes over time are probably not to be dismissed, but values can be ignored.
In this case the England and French excess shapes are both consistent with the ‘covid’ shapes, so I think we can take some comfort there. Its the difference between January in the two countries that has no explanation. It is stark. I cannot think of anything that can explain this except the rapid vaccination program in care homes in the UK.
Both countries have shown increases in non-covid deaths over the winter presumably due to failures to meet other health requirements. This has shown up particularly in the 44-75 year group. But that does not explain this shape, its an ongoing issue as shown in the graphs put together by Clarke.
I hope this can be explained in another way, I don’t like looking at state sponsored murder.

444930 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to peyrole, 1, #1297 of 1778 🔗

I don’t like z-scores either, but at least they are consistently wrong

My beef, payrole, is that they’re not consistent – they’re highly country specific if you look at the Euromomo definition for their calculations – not simple KISS data based on % of population and controlling for different reporting standards.

I agree with you about the anomalies – particularly, in this country, the weird rise of deaths at the beginning of the year. But I’m a bit wary without further analysis of attributing everything to the vaccine.

444950 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to RickH, 3, #1298 of 1778 🔗

Again, not arguing with your general point. But in this particular instance the shapes of England and France z-curves are very similar to the shapes of the covid curves in the FT. And its the January shape that concerns me, not any particular z-curve value.
I actually think in the UK and France you have two countries following more or less the same statistical techniques, but that is for another day.
I agree we need further analysis, I am posting this to see if someone can point to something somewhere that starts to answer our questions. Without that we fall back on anecdotal evidence, and that points in one direction.

444917 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to peyrole, 1, #1299 of 1778 🔗

You can see how the proportion of England and Wales deaths that were in care homes spiked as we entered 2021, around the time experimental vaccinations started in care homes; the vaccinations started a bit later than the community vaccinations in the over 80s I understand.

We hear it said but with or from covid deaths went up in all settings such as hospitals going into January which is true. But taking out that other settings increase there were still about 50% more care home covid deaths at the peak at the end of January than just before the New Year. We can’t draw immediate conclusions but it needs explaining and the anecdotal evidence gives a possible explanation.

Note the chart shows covid deaths by location of death, but the proportion of people who were normally resident in care homes who died with or from covid in care homes (as opposed to being hospitalised out of care homes and then dying) probably doesn’t materially afffect things, although we only have data from after 1st January 2021 with both figures to check that.

444924 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #1300 of 1778 🔗

Thank you for the graph. It shows a slight ‘bump’ from care homes but nothing that explains the ‘mountain’ in January. Maybe its just all over 80s , in hospitals as well as care homes if they were vaccinated in both locations?

444945 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to peyrole, 3, #1301 of 1778 🔗

The proportion of care home deaths went up from 15.5% (w/e 1st Jan) to 24.2% (w/e 29th Jan) so it’s actually quite a big jump, play with the numbers and you get the roughly 50% unexplained increase up to the top of the hump I mentioned earlier

A spike in over 80s with or from covid deaths after vaccination isn’t so obvious.

444956 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1302 of 1778 🔗

And looking at all cause mortality since 2010 (a better measure) no sign of anything unusual happening now. It is normal for proportions of deaths in the older age groups to go down as we head out of January (see 2015 and 2018).

Hard to pick out vaccination effects (bad or good) from natural variations

445042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1303 of 1778 🔗

Thank you for both these graphs.
I am wondering if we are going round in circles a bit. I didn’t start with care home deaths m, but with the very sharp increase in ‘covid-related’ deaths in January, which in England seemed so different to France. Its that shape I am trying to answer. It is now down to value you expect, so numbers currently are not abnormal.
So its deaths designated as ‘covid’ in January in care homes that might provide part of the answer. If not, then its covid elsewhere? But then where? In hospitals, because covid deaths in the community are very small.

445224 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to peyrole, #1304 of 1778 🔗

Sorry missed your point earlier.

Not really looked at France but there was a large general increase of deaths labelled with or from covid going into January in the UK. The autumn increase varied between regions with London and the South West hardly affected and the North West significantly affected for example, which could be explained by different immunity coming out of the Spring. But the sharp Winter increase into January happened in all regions. Why that sharp Winter increase wouldn’t happen in France also I don’t know.

444885 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 32, #1305 of 1778 🔗

In case anyone is confused about whether we’re going back to normal, this is in one of our national newspapers today:

“An Ontario school board has given families only two weeks to decide where their children will be studying six months from now, asking parents to choose between in-person and online learning this fall.”

Surprise! Apparently Covid will still be with us in September. Meanwhile, my daughter who is in her last weeks of school placement before becoming a teacher nearly froze to death yesterday as her mentor teacher had all of the windows open with an outside temperature of -5 degrees Celsius. The door was open as well (it’s a portable, so open to the outside not an indoor hallway). I guess using the forced masks for warmth is one way to make them more bearable. Each week one student is designated as the door and window opener/closer so no other person need touch the door handle. Books are “quarantined” for one week and only one student can touch the books, so each kid points to the book he/she chooses for that week and it is handed over by the designated book student. The coloured chalk is for students and the white chalk is for the teacher and my daughter. Last term’s mentor teacher wasn’t nearly as insane. My blood pressure goes up when I hear these stories.

444889 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 17, #1306 of 1778 🔗

Just kill me now.

444893 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 21, #1307 of 1778 🔗

They are being abused and need to STOP the madness now!

444898 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 28, #1308 of 1778 🔗

It is so obvious it’s no longer about a fast-vanishing and mild (to the young especially) virus. This is about control, evil and simple.

444912 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Banjones, 10, #1309 of 1778 🔗

In my teens I was active with Amnesty International and was very interested in South America, reading real life experiences of political prisoners. Even the Chilean and Argentine secret police were nicer!

444937 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Silke David, 17, #1310 of 1778 🔗

When I read about what they’ve done to our helpless frail elderly, who only have a short while to live anyway – jabbing them whether or not it will be ‘worthwhile’ – I am utterly sickened. As their ”participation” in this experiment can be of no practical use to anyone as their lifespan won’t allow for any conclusive results, this is obviously being used to annihilate them. Or that’s how it seems.

When you think that there is Ivermectin, that could have been used to make comfortable their final months, in that it seems it helps to prevent transmission and the worst of the infection – then what remained of their lives could have been eased and made comfortable at least.

The evil that continues to be perpetrated is unbelievable. As bad as that done by ‘national socialists’ (censor) except that now this bunch have more sophisticated methods at their fingertips.

444907 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 10, #1311 of 1778 🔗

Seems more of a mental teacher than a mentor teacher. I would be shivering uncontrollably in those conditions. Amazed the kids aren’t coming down with hypothermia. Are they all in down parkas with their hoods up?

444959 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #1312 of 1778 🔗

My daughter had a laugh, so thanks for that! This teacher is mental. Unfortunately, she’s not alone and it looks like most of the teachers are doing the same.

444919 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #1313 of 1778 🔗

Madness, although I hear the same stories from my niece who tries to pretend its all normal and goes huffy when I tell her its not.

444920 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #1314 of 1778 🔗

“with an outside temperature of -5 degrees Celsius”

Errr …. ventilation issues apart, Covid loves the winter climate!

This time seems to be ‘The Age of the Arsehole’.

Rearing a generation of psychotics.,What an achievement!

444891 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 42, #1316 of 1778 🔗

Remember that countries and businesses and venues that require “vaccine passports” will be filled with the most vile, selfish, hideous deranged child abusers. It would be like hanging out with Piers Morgan and Nick Cohen and Neil O’Brien all day. Wherever we have to go, whatever LITTLE LIFE we unvaccinated get to have, it will better than that fate. Pity the children, though, who will have to surrender their bodies to the pharma machine for the next 50 years while we pull this shut down (that’s what it took to get the tobacco industry in check… it’s going to be a long, hard fight!)

445021 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #1317 of 1778 🔗

they will have to factor in at least 20% less business ie the unvaccinated. Then there is a section of the population who have reduced disposable income

444894 tonyspurs, 42, #1318 of 1778 🔗

Im in Turkey and they’ve just opened bars and restaurants from 7am until 7pm all shops are open and have been for months nightly curfews from 9pm until 5am probably to stop bars doing after hours drinking , masks in shops,public transport and all outside public areas but only the ex pat Community here whine about people not adhering to it, to be honest the expats here are whiney horrible twats who think nothing of posting pictures of their Turkish neighbours breaking any rules ,the Turks are much more awake to the reality of the situation and id sooner be with them

444897 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 26, #1319 of 1778 🔗

The school I teach at has issued a letter to pupils to “help them get organised” for their return. Below are some highlights, slightly reworded to make them less Google-able.

Monday

Online lessons, apart from when you are getting a lateral flow test. International Women’s Day so make sure you have a ‘Choose to Challenge’ background during all online lessons.

Tuesday

Buses will be running as normal. Full school uniform but no ties yet. If it is cold, dress warmly as classroom windows will be left open for ventilation. You will need a face covering that you feel comfortable with wearing for long periods. You will need to keep it on at all times when inside, including during lessons. The only time you can remove it is during lunch, when you are outside, and if you are exempt (parents will have emailed the School). Bring a spare.

Thursday

Second lateral flow test during lessons. You will be told when to get yours by your tutor.

A year ago every one of my colleagues would have found all this very sinister, or else it would have seemed like an extremely silly scifi scenario. Opinion now is that it’s perfectly fine… just a few reasonable precautions that no sensible person could possibly object to… really it’s a shame we didn’t think of all this years ago… just imagine how many colds and flus it could have stopped… maybe we should do this forever… to be honest I actually like wearing a mask. It keeps my face warm.

444952 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to quodcumque, 11, #1320 of 1778 🔗

Are they discouraging ties to avoid pupils hanging themselves from light fittings?

444998 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1321 of 1778 🔗

Well, that made me laugh anyway. The danger is I’ll end up saying it the next time I’m asked why ties are banned.

445157 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to quodcumque, 2, #1322 of 1778 🔗

Probably to stop the pupils hanging themselves with them.

444970 ▶▶ danny, replying to quodcumque, 9, #1323 of 1778 🔗

So sick of these schools asserting that masks in class are mandatory. They are not. It is utterly misleading and shameful that places of education are pushing such a partisan objective. Ask for masks, ok. Demand? No.

445005 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to danny, 1, #1324 of 1778 🔗

Quite. I absolutely hate it. At the same time, I blame the Government far more, and the media organisations that have bullied and frightened everyone into accepting this rubbish. The schools are just doing on a collective scale what most of the country is doing. I am furious with my school, but mostly for their cowardice. They’ve at least quietly accepted they can’t fight parents who strongly object.

445108 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to danny, 1, #1325 of 1778 🔗

Illegal, in fact.

445136 ▶▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Bungle, 2, #1326 of 1778 🔗

Nothing would make me happier than to be corrected on this. My understanding is that schools can insist on masks in the same way that they can insist on smart shoes and shirts being tucked in. What they can’t do is claim that there’s a legal requirement. They would be breaking the law if they denied an education to those who refuse to wear a mask but there’s nothing to prevent sanctions, and those could even include some sort of teaching in “isolation”. It gives me no pleasure to say this, but I doubt they’re breaking the law simply by telling pupils “you must wear a mask” if it’s phrased as a school rule. At the same time, I’m a bit fed up with hunting for legal loopholes. I shouldn’t have to say “I’m exempt” to get into a shop and masks in schools should never even have been a weak recommendation, never mind a guideline or a requirement.

445006 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to quodcumque, 1, #1327 of 1778 🔗

Mandating backgrounds is almost as bad as mandating masks. Show your mandatory support for the political bollox of the week.

445008 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to JohnB, 1, #1328 of 1778 🔗

I know! Thankfully it’s the sort of thing that can be safely ignored.

445100 ▶▶ CGL, replying to quodcumque, 1, #1329 of 1778 🔗

If my kids were pre-school now, there’s no way they’d be going – ever.
Even before this crap.
They are taught virtue-signalling, woke politics in every single subject. It’s got much worse since mine started 10 or more years ago, and it won’t get any better now.
They have been called ‘knowledgeable’ even by primary school teachers – and that knowledge isn’t what they’ve learned at school, but from us and all the things we used to do and places we used to go. Thank God we were able to do all those things then – no-one is going to be able to now.

445123 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to CGL, 1, #1330 of 1778 🔗

A fairly traditional private school too. Most colleagues, and pupils actually, are fairly sceptical about it all, but it only takes one pushy person to inflict it on the rest of us.

445105 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to quodcumque, 2, #1331 of 1778 🔗

Get the lawyers letter. The school is breaking the law.

445113 ▶▶▶ quodcumque, replying to Bungle, #1332 of 1778 🔗

I’m afraid it probably wouldn’t get me very far. Push-back probably needs to come from parents now. But I won’t hesitate to suggest to pupils that if they don’t like wearing them, they simply need to get their parents to write to the school.

444899 sam s.j., replying to sam s.j., 17, #1333 of 1778 🔗

great news about texas i especially admire texans now !and floridians and south dakotians espeically suht dakotas governor

unfortunately am stuck no where near them but is very encouraging news

444923 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to sam s.j., 4, #1334 of 1778 🔗

I’ve heard that Ivermectin is used a lot in Florida hospitals? Have you heard this, Sam?

444942 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Banjones, 10, #1335 of 1778 🔗

i think so and its turning out i think anyway that is divided by politcal party
democratic states are the gestapo regulations ones , all i can say is thank god for the republicans. or the trump voters at least

445033 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to sam s.j., #1336 of 1778 🔗

Yes, indeed!

445015 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to sam s.j., #1337 of 1778 🔗

despite this dozens of businesses are insisting on masks in Austin

445019 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to crimsonpirate, #1338 of 1778 🔗

that’s terrible they can’t forever though , tide is turning !

444940 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 2, #1340 of 1778 🔗

Great link thanks

445017 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Victoria, 1, #1341 of 1778 🔗

😀 Way to go!

444943 ▶▶ leggy, replying to isobar, 7, #1342 of 1778 🔗

Beginning to look like the US might be a place to emigrate to after all!

444973 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to leggy, 4, #1343 of 1778 🔗

Unfortunately, unless you have a skill that another American oesn’t possess, it is very diffucult to emigrate there for more than six months a year. Unless you are starting a buiness and have a lot ofmoney.

445000 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #1344 of 1778 🔗

You could travel to Mexico and walk happily over the border. President Biden seems happy with that mode of immigration.

445143 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Richy_m_99, #1345 of 1778 🔗

I’m lucky in that I have a way in if I want it. I was offered a job there last year but declined to see how it all panned out. I can choose which state to locate in too. A European colleague has just moved to Miami.

444975 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to leggy, 5, #1346 of 1778 🔗

come on over ! is still under gestapo rule the democratric states but texas is free at last , south dakota was always free thanks to the governor

444951 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to isobar, 5, #1347 of 1778 🔗

This is an interesting metric of the Biden regime’s grip on the country. They could fix the election by cheating big in a few localities. Breaking the country to their will is going to be much harder.

444928 Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 28, #1348 of 1778 🔗
  • £28 million to fund the Queen’s Platinum Jubilee celebrations in 2022, delivering a major celebration for the UK.

After she joined with the forces of evil I don’t much feel like celebrating this one unlike all the other ones.

445016 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1349 of 1778 🔗

Time for the second and permanent republic.

445139 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1350 of 1778 🔗

Celebrating that old trout?
Catch me at it.

From an ex-monarchist.

444932 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 18, #1351 of 1778 🔗

Analysis of Israeli data shows that the ‘vaccines’ are relative and absolute killers.
Even more so of younger people.
But us conspiracy theorists knew that anyway.
https://corona-transition.org/geimpfte-in-israel-haben-eine-40-mal-hohere-mortalitat-als-ungeimpfte

444993 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JayBee, 1, #1352 of 1778 🔗

The link to te source article in that is broken. The so called researcher I cannot find. Anything to back this up?

445071 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to JayBee, -2, #1354 of 1778 🔗

I’d be very sceptical of this claim. I’ve just checked and Alex Berenson reckons it’s rubbish and he’s been highly critical of vaccine effect.

The vaccines look to be pretty effective – in the short term at least – though probably not as effective as 95%.

444944 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to mattghg, 5, #1356 of 1778 🔗

won’t be long before this happens in the States.

444983 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to mattghg, #1357 of 1778 🔗

LOL – I’m guessing you aren’t sympathising with them? I know I’m not….

444947 merlin, replying to merlin, 22, #1358 of 1778 🔗

My 60yr old cousin had the oxford stab 2 weeks ago and can’t move her arm. I guess this is perfectly normal.

444962 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to merlin, 12, #1359 of 1778 🔗

Just a coincidence.

444999 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #1360 of 1778 🔗

Despite having her arm frozen for 2 weeks with zero improvement she is encouraging my 70year old mum to have the stab as well. My mum is too polite to say much to her but I think if she asks her one more time she will get both barrels.

445041 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to merlin, 5, #1361 of 1778 🔗

I’m glad your mom isn’t caving to the pressure! I wish I could say the same for my parents. We’re way behind on the experimental gene therapy rollout so there’s time yet, but I don’t expect them to change their minds.

445026 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to merlin, 2, #1362 of 1778 🔗

I’ve had a pain in my elbow – but it is wearing off now tell your cousin.

445029 ▶▶ John, replying to merlin, 1, #1363 of 1778 🔗

Don’t forget that the injection is a 1” needle going deep into the muscle at the top of the arm. This could cause localised soft tissue damage, reducing movement. A cold compress may be beneficial.

445088 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to John, 2, #1364 of 1778 🔗

This is what her GP told her to do. She is going back to her GP tomorrow.

445128 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to merlin, #1365 of 1778 🔗

Over the counter Ibuprofen and paracetamol may help, assuming there are no problems with her taking them. Soft tissue injuries can take several weeks, up to 6, to resolve.

445035 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to merlin, 6, #1366 of 1778 🔗

It is normal for the AZ.
Not normal in a general sense.

445133 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Silke David, 1, #1367 of 1778 🔗

In theory any intramuscular injection could cause a similar issue, however if you haven’t had an i/m injection in a while then you could be more susceptible to this. It may also depend on the skill of the person giving the injection. Whenever I gave an i/m injection the needle was about 1” long, whereas the needle used in my injection was about 1.25” long and went very deep into the muscle.

445040 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to merlin, 3, #1368 of 1778 🔗

Its just paralyses. What her problem exactly?

444948 John001, replying to John001, 19, #1369 of 1778 🔗

Anecdotal. I attended the GP surgery for a routine blood test (vitamin D mainly) at 15.30 h. It seemed to be entirely empty of other patients, unless there were a few in the three doctors’ consulting rooms. I saw no one except the practice nurse, who let me in.

We live in strange times.

445047 ▶▶ Alice, replying to John001, 3, #1370 of 1778 🔗

I’m surprised they do routine tests.

445083 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Alice, 2, #1371 of 1778 🔗

My surgery were doing routine blood tests, as I was told I needed one two months ago to review medication. When I booked the appointment, they admitted that nobody was looking at the results as the pharmacust was off “doing other things”.

445086 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Alice, 2, #1372 of 1778 🔗

Ours do, they actually rang to remind me of my annual tests. I was also the only patient in at the time,

444954 eptwll, replying to eptwll, 16, #1373 of 1778 🔗

My tenant, a health sciences student who is in a placement this semester, got the AZ vaccine yesterday. She’s been in bed with a high fever, aches, and very bad headache ever since. She is young, slim, healthy, but had no choice about getting the vaccine if she wanted to continue her placement.

444968 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to eptwll, -58, #1374 of 1778 🔗

Come back in a week or so. If she’s not dead by then, then the vaccine has done its job.

Plenty of people have a few days feeling unwell after a vaccine. It’s better than several weeks with the virus itself. Since if you react badly to the vaccine, the chance are you would react badly to the virus.

444978 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 22, #1375 of 1778 🔗

“Since if you react badly to the vaccine, the chance are you would react badly to the virus.”

Evidence for that assertion please?

445001 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, 7, #1376 of 1778 🔗

<< decides not to hold breath >>>

444994 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 11, #1377 of 1778 🔗

If you decided to get vaccinated, the chances of you being exposed to it are 100%. If you decide not to get vaccinated, your chances of being exposed to the virus are less than 100%, where “less than” is an increasingly low number.

445054 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 5, #1378 of 1778 🔗

Bang on. Something like 1 in 5000 : and getting ill is probably something like 1 i 25000./

I certainly don’t want Covid, given my various ailments. But, assessing the odds, my chances are better not taking any vaccine, given that puts me in the firing line on a voluntary basis!

445097 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Julian, 2, #1379 of 1778 🔗

Exposed to what? There is no complete SARS-CoV-2 virus in the AstraZeneca vaccine.

445036 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Lucan Grey, 16, #1380 of 1778 🔗

You are making assertions without evidence again.

Where is your evidence that a young healthy person would typically have several weeks with the virus?

How do you know side affects will only last a few days and there will be no long term consequences. It is a bizarre assumption to assert that someone who doesn’t die in a week will have no long term consequences from the vaccine. The 1 in 10,000 children who had the rushed pandemrix vaccine didn’t typically die in a week, but they are affected by narcolepsy and their lives have been ruined.

How do you know that someone reacting badly to the vaccine would likely have reacted badly to the virus. There may be some association but how do you quantify whether the badness from the vaccine will be more or less than the badness from the virus?

The chances of a young, healthy person being badly affected by covid are virtually zero. The long term affects of an experimental vaccine can’t be known until we have long term data. It may turn out the experimental vaccine is perfectly safe in the long term if you get over the initial side affects. But why swap a trivial relatively knowable risk of being badly affected by covid for an unknown long term vaccine risk.

445059 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #1381 of 1778 🔗

any evidence for your belief that any unwanted effects will have manifested themselves within a week, and thereafter you are in the clear? any evidence for the belief that the effects of the vaccine will inevitably be milder than the pathogen? or is it just blind faith?

445095 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to JaneHarry, #1382 of 1778 🔗

The AstraZeneca product generally produces side effects within 24-48 hours. If the side effects last longer than 48 hours then medical advice should be sought and the effect reported to the MHRA.

445064 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #1383 of 1778 🔗

\If a person reacts badly to the first jab the chances are they will have an even worse reaction to the second one.

445090 ▶▶ John, replying to eptwll, 2, #1384 of 1778 🔗

This reaction is not uncommon and can last up to 48 hours. It should, however, be reported to the MHRA via the online yellow card system.

444958 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 69, #1385 of 1778 🔗

Had a very interesting conversation with a colleague about the vaccine today. He is very much in the going along to get along crowd and an innately trusting and good-natured person, all dangerous character flaws under the onslaught of a predatory, psychopathic government.

I was able to provide solid, concise counter-arguments to every single comment that he made, and he appreciated my input. In all probability it won’t change his mind, but I’ve at least given him a chance to look at things from an alternative perspective that he would not have otherwise received. Best of all, I (somehow) modulated my tone so that it was polite, cheerful and upbeat at all times, in keeping with the guy’s optimistic character. The message was delivered far more effectively as a result. Better still, our call was recorded (for other purposes, we drifted onto this subject as an aside) so I will be able to refer him back to this as evidence if/when things go wrong.

This is where all the endless hours of research, debate and anecdotes we share on here really pay off. I can cherry pick anything I need from a wealth of data points and package them for any recipient accordingly. Thanks to you all once again for your continuing efforts to support and enable this.

444967 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Richard O, -51, #1386 of 1778 🔗

But not the millions of people who have had the vaccine and who are clear evidence that you are being a bit delusional. The GroupThink emerging on this comment section doesn’t change the weight of evidence against you.

When the facts change I change my mind. What do you do?

444976 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 20, #1387 of 1778 🔗

Come back to us in 6 months when those who have had the “vaccine” are suffering from ADE.

445075 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1388 of 1778 🔗

Not 6 months. 3-6 years.

444979 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Lucan Grey, 15, #1389 of 1778 🔗

You are probably a little bit too thick to make sense of the israeli data

444985 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #1390 of 1778 🔗

Facts are a bit thin on the ground. I don’t quite understand your post, what are millions evidence of?

444987 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #1391 of 1778 🔗

I actually said in the conversation: “ It is clear that the vast majority of people suffer no adverse reactions “. The main drive of my argument was regarding the possibility that the government will betray the vaccinated with broken promises, and we will be back in exactly the same position year after year.

444995 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #1392 of 1778 🔗

Surely you would need to compare the all cause mortality of an experimental vaccinated group against comparators who don’t have the vaccine (e.g. matched by age and comorbidities) over a significant number of years.

The fact that you can declare that there is clear evidence that the vaccines are beneficial, shows it is you who is making the assertions without evidence.

Please explain your comment ‘clear evidence’.

444997 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, 7, #1393 of 1778 🔗

… and the evidence you have a mind, and are not some Cheltenham-based laptop, is ?

445004 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #1394 of 1778 🔗

The opponents of the experimental gene-therapy jabs didn’t base their opposition on the immediate effects, did they?

But the reported side-effects of those in the trials mean it is impossible that a significant number of old and ill people haven’t been pushed over the edge.

445038 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #1395 of 1778 🔗

Narcolepsy didn’t kick in until about 18 months after the Swine Flu vaccination did the rounds

445057 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to HoMojo, 7, #1396 of 1778 🔗

Good point. And of course the numbers for this serious adverse reaction were extremely low compared to the total vaccinated, but it was still enough to get the programme terminated.

After having been browbeaten for the best part of a year with “ if it saves just one life ” to justify extremely destructive policies, only then to be confronted with the exact opposite argument regarding vaccination (“ the numbers dying are so low it is immaterial “), is disconcerting to say the least. Goes with the territory though, so no complaints overall.

445051 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #1397 of 1778 🔗

You are the delusional one, Lord Lucan.

445067 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #1398 of 1778 🔗

What facts? The fact is that we have very little. By definition . And that is the whole point.

… especially when we’ve been here before – during the H1N1 scam.

445069 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Lucan Grey, -2, #1399 of 1778 🔗

The AstraZeneca vaccine appears to produce any side effects within 24-48 hours, with symptoms not dissimilar to after the flu vaccine.
The symptoms usually associated with illness such as fever are actually the response of the immune system.
The Pfizer vaccine side effects seem to be delayed.
Also bear in mind that due to genetic differences all immune systems do not respond to every pathogen.
Someone I know had the AstraZeneca vaccine and was laid low for 48 hours, whereas I have had no more than a slight discomfort around the injection site.

445081 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to John, 3, #1400 of 1778 🔗

Traitor!

445116 ▶▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Bungle, 1, #1401 of 1778 🔗

A traitor to whom? I had to make a hard decision taking into account a multitude of factors.

445165 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to John, 2, #1402 of 1778 🔗

You do what is right for you John. This ships sinking regardless.

445147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bungle, 5, #1403 of 1778 🔗

I thought we’d agreed not to criticize people’s vax decisions here.

445150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1404 of 1778 🔗

That woukd be the civilised response.
And no emotional blackmail, please.It’s exactly the vile kill-granny tactic that the Fascist pigs have been using throughout.

445079 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Richard O, -3, #1405 of 1778 🔗

Really? what are the counter arguments? I thought the whole point is that we don’t really know anything yet.

445080 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Richard O, -7, #1406 of 1778 🔗

Really? what are the counter arguments? I thought the whole point is that we don’t really know anything yet.

445094 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mayo, 1, #1407 of 1778 🔗

See my reply to Lucan Grey above/below (depending on the sequence your comments have loaded). I disregarded the issue of serious adverse reactions because, as you say, we simply don’t know enough yet.

445141 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mayo, 12, #1408 of 1778 🔗

I thought the whole point is that we don’t really know anything yet.

A very, very good argument for not having the vaccine.

444977 FedupofLies, replying to FedupofLies, 8, #1409 of 1778 🔗

Alex Jones has said that Jeffrey Epstein’s genetic code is implanted into all those take the vaccine lol

445046 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to FedupofLies, 3, #1410 of 1778 🔗

If this turned out to be true, would you actually be surprised?

444984 danny, replying to danny, 34, #1411 of 1778 🔗

Isn’t it a lucky break that the clothing brands, the phone companies, the amazons and apples of this world have managed to suffer no disruption to their factories in places like India and Thailand.
You would have thought that given sitting on a park bench here is such a killer, that the desperately cramped living conditions with zero distancing over there would have resulted in millions of COvid deaths.

445032 ▶▶ John, replying to danny, 2, #1412 of 1778 🔗

Not forgetting China of course.

444990 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 6, #1413 of 1778 🔗

Can this situation get any more bizarre? It’s like a crazed mash-up of all the black mirror episodes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/dolly-parton-hero-pandemic/

445287 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TimeIsNow, 2, #1414 of 1778 🔗

Kind of hard to take someone seriously when they describe those ‘lyrics’ as ‘genius’.

444996 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 15, #1415 of 1778 🔗

Jobs to go at Sainsburys.
Looks like the Covid birds are already coming home to roost

445002 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Fingerache Philip, 27, #1416 of 1778 🔗

Aah, have people been put off visiting their supermarket with their over-zealous and completely unnecessary policing of the mask mandate?

Shame.

445011 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Tom Blackburn, 13, #1417 of 1778 🔗

Yes, me and Mrs FP had a “set to” with a “adviser” about us daring to shop as a pair.
We won.

445013 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1418 of 1778 🔗

You beat me to it!

445012 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1419 of 1778 🔗

And their ‘shopping alone’ diktats ?

445022 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 5, #1420 of 1778 🔗

I have been told that Tesco are even worse (shopping alone).
What experiences have FS’s had with Tesco’s?

445039 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #1421 of 1778 🔗

Yes, Tesco seem exceptionally bad with their strident ‘You must shop alone unless you are a carer or have children’ and ‘No mask no entry’ edicts. By contrast Lidl is completely different , ‘shop alone if possible’ and ‘wear a face covering unless you are exempt.

445049 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to isobar, 4, #1422 of 1778 🔗

So too I believe are Aldi.
Wilco in Kidderminster never make a fuss either

445068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #1423 of 1778 🔗

Not my Aldi. I’ve been doing Tesco Click and Collects lately but get a fair bit from the market. Might give Lidl a try when I’m next oop North though – forgot about them.

445070 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to isobar, 6, #1424 of 1778 🔗

I’ve had an ongoing battle with Tesco, coming to a head this coming Saturday, 6th. I am going to film if they harass me and send a report to the fuzz. Remember, if they ask you twice, it’s a criminal offence.

445084 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Bungle, 3, #1425 of 1778 🔗

Good luck!

445104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to isobar, 4, #1426 of 1778 🔗

Aldi good too. DS and I wandered round together last week no problem. Mind you we did go in the evening and it was quiet.

445175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cheezilla, #1427 of 1778 🔗

Yes, just back from Aldi. Nice and quiet in the evening. Never had any issues. Staff always very polite and friendly.

445055 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1428 of 1778 🔗

I think that it’s also to do with also the scare stories planted in the MSM about supermarkets being a hotbed for spreading the virus. I think that was just a ruse to try stop people leaving home to go shopping

445045 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #1429 of 1778 🔗

These shops are just evil really. I will never feel the same about them again and if I can I will shop elsewhere.
I really want to see these big supermarket chains go bust. Really properly bust. Having our food supply in the hands of these evil shitters is not good for us as a country.

445053 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1430 of 1778 🔗

Collaborators of the first order.

445168 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1431 of 1778 🔗

And all part of a cosy cartel.

445065 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #1432 of 1778 🔗

maybe it has something to do with their safe spaces for BAME debacle a while back implying that half their staff and customers were racists.

445003 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 15, #1433 of 1778 🔗

Daily Mail; Mammograms are picking up swelling in women’s breasts following the Covid-19 vaccine, raising ‘unnecessary’ fears about cancer, radiologists say
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9320457/Mammograms-pick-harmless-breast-lumps-Covid-vaccine.html

Only time will tell how harmless these swollen lymph nodes are, but I understand they are a very uncommon effect of a vaccine. But then this is not a regular vaccine.

445023 ▶▶ John, replying to Basileus, 5, #1434 of 1778 🔗

It’s the lymph nodes, which swell in the presence of infection, caused by the production of T cells. This is why “glands” in your neck swell when you have tonsillitis. The problem is that swollen lymph nodes in the arm pit and around the breast tissue can be indicative of cancer, and are the signs people are told to look for.

445177 ▶▶ John, replying to Basileus, #1435 of 1778 🔗

Note this is in America after the Moderna mRNA version.

445007 l835, replying to l835, 33, #1436 of 1778 🔗

As a self employed person, I’m underwhelmed by Uncle Rishi’s giveaway. Perhaps I should be grateful for him giving* me 80% of my net profit, but it the Government’s policies which have forced me to suspend trading, thereby loosing 20% of my income. Worse, the SESS grant for Feb-April won’t be paid until April, sadly Morrison’s haven’t reduced their prices by 20% or extended me three months credit.

As I’m not premises based, I’m ineligible for any of the grants or loans, but as my vehicles and machinery will have been standing for 16 months, they will need recommissioning, and I’ll just have to suffer the expense.

It’s clear to me that this government really doesn’t understand small business’ and doesn’t particularly care. The feeling is mutual, and I’ll be reducing my hours and increasing my costs to ensure I never pay any tax again.

445020 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to l835, 13, #1437 of 1778 🔗

The part about how they promised in their manifesto that they wouldn’t cut the public sector so they weren’t going to just shows you the idiocy of the chancellor. He’s facing more than 10% drop in GDP and it’s not going to “bounce back”. It will be sustained if you don’t help businesses.

The biggest waster is the public sector who also did not get affected as much at all by the lockdowns.

He really doesn’t care or choose to care.

445037 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, -3, #1438 of 1778 🔗

The biggest waster is the public sector”

In the middle of the worst crisis of democracy in modern times, and we still have simple-minded politics for morons!

Idiots to the right of them, idiots to the left. No wonder we’re stuffed.

445082 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 7, #1439 of 1778 🔗

Gosh, I just can’t make it out. People who say things against leftist positions get chastised as “simple minded”, and accused of “riding a hobby horse”, but not people who say things blaming some kind of “right wing” or indulging fatuous fantasies about the “Conservatives” being “right wing”.

It’s almost as though you’re just another partisan hypocrite trying to have your fake non-partisan cake and eat it as well.

445106 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Mark, 5, #1440 of 1778 🔗

He’s so partisan he’s blamed the near-worldwide lockdowns on “Home counties Tories”

445125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ossettian, 5, #1441 of 1778 🔗

Left or Right – the idea of a large public sector fades into fantasy if the economy is destroyed. Unless you reduce public sector wages to subsistence level. Normal politics is currently suspended and will be for the next decade or more.

445077 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to mhcp, -10, #1442 of 1778 🔗

Public spending is helping business. Where do you think public sector workers spend their income?

445092 ▶▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Lucan Grey, 13, #1443 of 1778 🔗

Where do public sector workers spend their income? Businesses that will no longer exist? You cannot sustain the public sector if you destroy the wealth-generating sector of the economy.

445096 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #1444 of 1778 🔗

Not in any of the businesses that have been closed down, obviously.

445103 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #1445 of 1778 🔗

If I were a private sector worker who had lost their job because of this shit, or a business owner or freelance worker without income, closed down, bankrupt, I would not give a fuck where public sector workers were spending their income

445117 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #1446 of 1778 🔗

Are you still spouting this claptrap where the only productive sector of the economy is the public sector? Where do you get this from?

445183 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to matt, 1, #1447 of 1778 🔗

Most German civil servants lost their jobs and pensions post WW2.
The ones who kept their jobs or went into the sector, usually the ones not fit enough for the private sector, were in the
poorhouse from 1945-1975, which is normal post a state bankruptcy/currency reform and will repeat.
That’s the only way and period in time they understand their proper place in the foodchain.
Enjoy.
Serves them well.

445050 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to l835, 11, #1448 of 1778 🔗

I am self employed/un-employable. I don’t get anything from UK PLC. I still have to pay councill tax too which is literally one third to a quarter of my “income” which is just about literally sod all.
At least I haven’t earned enough to pay any tax on for a really long time, so I haven’t contributing to the shit-ness.

445078 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Two-Six, -11, #1449 of 1778 🔗

You should do. You should be offered a living wage job. Then your spending would help create and expand other businesses – who may then hire you.

445073 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to l835, -9, #1450 of 1778 🔗

Your not paying tax is irrelevant to the government. When you spend they just get it from the next guy.

The only person that suffers will be you.

Taxes for Revenue has been an obsolete concept in the U.K. since at least the 1930s.

445102 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1451 of 1778 🔗

So why is the racist increasing CT?

445099 ▶▶ Mark, replying to l835, 3, #1452 of 1778 🔗

Would be nice to replace the “Conservative” Party with a populist, anti-globalist, anti-big business and explicitly pro-small business, anti-establishment, small government Poujadist-style party.

445009 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1453 of 1778 🔗

Isn’t the Coronavirus Act due for renewal soon? Does anyone want to posit any potential outcomes?

445018 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1454 of 1778 🔗

The question is not whether it will be renewed, but whether there will be banners and marching music.

445060 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1455 of 1778 🔗

End of March, is it?

445066 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1456 of 1778 🔗

It will be renewed untll 2050. There will be so few people left on the planet it won’t be needed anymore.

445111 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1457 of 1778 🔗

31 March I think, whatever happens with that specifically there’s no way they are giving up this power

445160 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1458 of 1778 🔗

It looks like The Coronavirus Act lasts for 2 years and so it would seem it does not expire until 2022;

This Act expires at the end of the period of 2 years beginning with the day on which it is passed, subject to subsection (2) and section 90.

It is subject to 6 monthly review and so it should be reviewed this Month but past experience suggests these reviews are of little consequence.

445061 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1460 of 1778 🔗

Indeed! Good for him having the guts to go against the narrative.

445062 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1461 of 1778 🔗

Good for him. A man of principles. I guess he must have heard something from the organisers. If that’s the case, I wonder what other festivals are planning.

445118 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1462 of 1778 🔗

Good on him, so refreshing to see a ‘celebrity’ refuse to toe the line

445193 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1465 of 1778 🔗

UK Column covered this, they reckon is was staged so that they can bring in new tighter controls.

445028 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 27, #1466 of 1778 🔗

The biggest theft and the greatest crime of the century has been forced upon the ‘people’ by this Globalist puppet Conservative Party and their bedfellows throughout the western world.

They caused all this financial and societal trouble with their disproportionate response to the seasonal winter flu, and now they want you and I to pay for their incompetence, treachery and malfeasance. I don’t think so!

445076 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 16, #1467 of 1778 🔗

I was really hoping that Rishi would levy a windfall profits tax on all the companies that have benefited from the ‘pandemic’. Those like Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Serco, Amazon etc, ie those who have profited enormously and would, therefore, be in the best financial position to pay toward the recovery.

445093 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to happychappy, 8, #1468 of 1778 🔗

Haha, that’s a good one!

445031 fiery, replying to fiery, 29, #1469 of 1778 🔗

A friend with no previous health problems had the Pfizer jab four weeks ago They had no major side effects at the time but have since developed Pericarditis and are now in hospital. Of course this will be seen as a coincidence and not related to the ‘vaccine’ won’t it.

445052 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to fiery, 9, #1470 of 1778 🔗

I think that is some sort of heart condition which can cause fever. I think this might be similar to what Prince Philip is going through, although he apparently has a previous heart condition and may have had the Oxford jab, not sure.
Hope your friend recovers ok.

445063 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to fiery, #1471 of 1778 🔗

Correct. Because it is.

Just like death after four weeks despite a positive test for Covid.

You can’t have it both ways.

Best wishes for your friend.

445087 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #1472 of 1778 🔗

You mean you can’t have it both ways. We’re not publishing figures daily of persons who die within 28 days of a jab in order to scare the population into surrender.

445119 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #1473 of 1778 🔗

It is not ‘having it both ways’. It is recognising that vaccine side effects can take time to manifest, you shill.

445074 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to fiery, 5, #1474 of 1778 🔗

Umm tricky, I hope your friend is OK. but this is good news indeed.
Sorry that must be my latent schizophrenia at work there.

445110 ▶▶ John, replying to fiery, 5, #1475 of 1778 🔗

Could be coincidence, pericarditis is usually a viral infection, this neither rules in or rules out the vaccine. It would be impossible to prove the cause. I hope your friend gets well soon.

445154 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to fiery, 6, #1476 of 1778 🔗

But if that had happened 4 weeks after a positive PCR test, it would be a new scary Long Covid symptom.

445034 Prof Feargoeson, 16, #1477 of 1778 🔗

Vaccine Apartheid:-

445085 disgruntled246, replying to disgruntled246, 29, #1478 of 1778 🔗

Conversation with neighbour has made me despair. He’s an intelligent bloke and normally would have regarded Attila the Hun as a bit of wishy washy liberal. But this indicates what fear has been implanted in people.

  1. He’s glad the weather’s cold because it stops people mixing
  2. He and wife went out the other day to local beauty spot but because the weather was nice there were too many people so they went home (at least I suppose they didn’t stay and THEN moan about the other people)
  3. EVERYBODY needs to have the jab because apparently people will go abroad on holiday and bring it back and then it will explode again. I did point out that given that he and the mrs have had the jab then what were they worried about but he just kept on in the same vein.
445091 ▶▶ leggy, replying to disgruntled246, 17, #1479 of 1778 🔗

And there, you have the power of mass media.

445098 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to disgruntled246, 29, #1480 of 1778 🔗

I was talking to an ordinary bloke the other day, the one with the radio controlled speed boat. He actually knew that only about 680 people under tha ages of 65 with no other co-morbidities have died of the rona in the whole of the last year.

That everybody has at least a 97-99% chance of not dying from it, he knew a lot of the sceptical stuff I was trotting out….

BUT STILL he went into some story about his sister being a teacher and that she didn’t wear all the PPE then she got it and it was her fault.

He told her to wear the FN and all the PPE. Her whole family got it.

I asked how were, expecting that to hear that they had been on ventilators, they were a bit sniffy but OK…..

I showed him how my vape goes for miles and how face naps were useless…he said well you can catch it from peopl’s vape can’t you…

Oh ffs. these people are beyond hope really….Confused to say the least….

445126 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Two-Six, 13, #1481 of 1778 🔗

You know the old joke from a footballer’s autobiography: Chapter 6, What the average director knows about football, followed by a blank page. The same could be said for What the average member of the public knows about logical reasoning based on evidence.

445134 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Edward, 3, #1482 of 1778 🔗

Len Shackleton “ The Clown Prince of Soccer,” 1956
Chapter heading “The Average Director’s Knowledge of Football”.

445213 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mj, #1483 of 1778 🔗

Thanks, I couldn’t quite remember the name.

445152 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1484 of 1778 🔗

Never before in the history of time has it been someone’s “fault” for catching a respiratory virus.

But we all know that FNs protect others, not the wearer. So presumably it was actually the filthy kids’ fault.

445109 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #1485 of 1778 🔗

That is actually really sad

445190 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to disgruntled246, #1486 of 1778 🔗

Call them racist! Why only abroad will people pick the virus up. The Kent mutant is very deadly.

445112 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 21, #1488 of 1778 🔗

The government asked, we gave them an inch, they took a mile, and now the precedent has been set. Lockdowns become a multi-faceted tool for engineering desired social outcomes.

They’ll need more than the current restrictions to meet the Paris Agreement goals though. Much more.

445173 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Richard O, 9, #1489 of 1778 🔗

I’ve told a number of people recently that I believe that now the precedent has been made of lockdowns as a legitimate government policy option we will see more. They are all taken a back by the thought and some say ‘no, this will be the last one’. I hope that they’re correct but I sadly very much doubt it.

445229 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #1490 of 1778 🔗

Exactly what I’ve been saying too, since last March in fact – the moment they ordered the first lockdown, it completely changed the limits on how far government can interfere in normal daily life. Even to the extent of criminalising contact with your own family, providing they declare it to be an emergency. That’s why I opposed it from day 1. It’s changed everything.

The covidians hate it when you say things like that though, of course.

445120 ▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #1491 of 1778 🔗

Of course, it’s all interlinked, always has been. Ultimately the Great Reset and the Green Agenda has always been the goal.

Unless enough people stand up to this tyranny we are stuffed. I’m doing my bit.

445140 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #1492 of 1778 🔗

If they were honest and said yes, lockdowns and all the travel restrictions and business closures ect were all about combating “climate change” I could handle that.

At least we could then decide how to proceed but to do zero carbon by blatantly exploiting an overblown cold virus and lying about it is just beyond evil.

445151 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 19, #1493 of 1778 🔗

I was always pretty sceptical about climate change, our role in it, and our responsibility to tackle it rather than simply adapt. I started to avoid discussing it years ago when it became clear that in many social circles I was liable to become a pariah for doing so, but also because I thought people farting around discussing climate change and building wind farms was daft but pretty harmless. Essentially it boiled down to a gut feel that we were, almost arrogantly, massively exaggerating both man’s influence in natural global processes and his ability to change it. The same gut feel probably led me to my position on lockdowns, but in this case there is clearly great harm being caused so I have no qualms about speaking out about it. But as Richard says, the precedent of massive government intervention for a shaky definition of the public good has been set, and I can certainly see it being applied to climate goals to a greater or lesser extent. It’s extremely worrying.

445297 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Adamb, 3, #1494 of 1778 🔗

Talking of gut feeling, I’ve often wondered about how it can possibly be true that the methane emitted by cattle is catastrophic for the environment and is such a big contributor towards global warming – I just don’t buy it. But this is being used for the justification for the land-grab by Gates and the urgency to switch from real to fake meat. Somehow it all seems to be playing into his hands too conveniently. I don’t believe a word he says except for the outright confessions of intent which he lets slip quite often.

445393 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jos, #1495 of 1778 🔗

Paddy fields release more methane. Pastureland is great carbon sink.

445114 Sampa, 18, #1496 of 1778 🔗

Over here in gaga land, aka Sao Paulo state, we are going full red zone from zero hours on Saturday, for two weeks apparently. Essential services only, plus religious gatherings and building sites, and the schools are going to stay open.

Now the cynical among you might wonder why evangelical churches and commercial building projects are exempt, and might even know that the people behind them are both large contributors to our governors election funds, so one could infer that there is something other than science behind it. Of course such thoughts are impure, and this is only to protect the health service. Where did we hear that one before?

Anyway the reason is apparently that there are too few beds for the number of patients, although the recently dismantled field hospitals might have something to do with that too. There were 456 deaths yesterday in a state with a population of 44 million so make of that what you will.

I will carry on doing what I have been doing since week 2 of lockdown 1 a year ago, ignore it. There are places I can have a beer and a chat with mates, places I can go fishing, and I love the fact that the roads are pretty clear.

445115 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 8, #1497 of 1778 🔗

“Go-Slow BoJo Says Dates Will Not Change, However Good the Data Gets”
The ‘facts’ are fixed to the policy.

445127 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1499 of 1778 🔗

Best rated comments are same as anything here again

445145 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ken Garoo, 8, #1500 of 1778 🔗

But the moment they find a couple of extra cases, or a new variant – bam, the prison door will be slammed shut again.

445209 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1501 of 1778 🔗

This for sure. Sceptics everyone when it suits them.

They just want their holiday.

I don’t really care, I know the situation and how people tell themselves whatever the can to feel good. However, they’ll have their masks back on as soon as a new variant is announced.

445149 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ken Garoo, 4, #1502 of 1778 🔗

A cynical part of me is wondering whether this is all a big sham – they know full well that cases have plummeted, deaths and admissions the same. All the evidence seems to show the vaccine working better than ever expected, and being taken by unbelievable large numbers.

So they tell us that the dates will not change, that way they’re covered if more “cases” suddenly appear. But Boris appears like the risen Messiah on Easter Sunday and declares us all to be released into his upland of sunlit wonder. The country rejoices, Hancock gets his knighthood, the government have saved the world.

Too optimistic, perhaps?

445166 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1503 of 1778 🔗

”The vaccine working better than ever expected”? How can that be so? What ”evidence” would that be? ”Cases” have been falling anyway.

445226 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Banjones, 2, #1504 of 1778 🔗

See below – I didn’t mean that I believe it, but it’s what they’re telling us is true therefore they’ve got no reason to act as they are and every reason to pull off a spectacular early reopening.

445380 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Banjones, #1505 of 1778 🔗

Depends if the purpose of the vax was to execute a cull.

445180 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to A. Contrarian, 11, #1506 of 1778 🔗

Cases and deaths are falling in most places. It has little or nothing to do with the vaccine, lockdowns or any such nonsense.

445222 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Chicot, 2, #1507 of 1778 🔗

Yes I know, but that’s what the government think, that’s what their own evidence seems to show (not saying I believe it) – so they’ve got nothing on which to base their glacial release from lockdown, if we’re supposed to believe that their data is correct (again, not saying that I do!).

445234 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1508 of 1778 🔗

But France and Italy who have vaccinated about 20-25% of the number we have, have experienced similar steep falls, albeit from a lower summit. The chances these steep falls should be attributed to the vaccine are very slim, especially given how long it took for the death reduction to kick in – something like 40 days after the beginning of the vaccination programme. All the most vulnerable had pretty much been vaccinated by first week of Jan – given they supply the vast majority of fatal cases, we should have seen falls well before then (given an average time from infection to death in fatal cases of 12 days).

445243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 2, #1509 of 1778 🔗

Palestine and Israel can also be compared, the deaths don’t seem to be much different per head of population. Israel have only provided vaccines to a very small number of people in Palestine as yet – anyone who mixes at a job with Israelis essentially, such is the sheer disgrace in which their regime conducts itself.

445362 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1510 of 1778 🔗

The fall-off in deaths was entirely expected. What was unusual was the height of the January peak.

Ergo vaccination was correlated with deaths – not lives saved.

I’m not actually suggesting that as a proven association – my standards of evidence are much higher than the governments’ loose claims.

But that’s the level of the ‘vaccine success’ waffle.

445379 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #1511 of 1778 🔗

More cynical than optimistic, perhaps.

445399 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to A. Contrarian, #1512 of 1778 🔗

Is the vaccine really working better than expected? Where is the evidence? Or is it just the seasonal effect which will no doubt be credited to the vaccine..?

445237 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #1513 of 1778 🔗

Those pesky goalposts moving again. How many days ago was it he said, it is data not the dates. Now it is dates not data and yet still the majority believe what he says. They probably cannot tell the difference in the two statements.

445272 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #1514 of 1778 🔗

The week before the data was going to decide the dates.This must be the greatest time to be a minister.They are never taken to task for the continual lies they spout.

445129 TheTartanEagle, replying to TheTartanEagle, 29, #1515 of 1778 🔗

Greetings from the north. Long time reader, time to put head above parapet and join the resistance. You people are the voice of sanity in the wilderness. Hoping to find fellow sceptics in the northern wastelands.

445179 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to TheTartanEagle, 8, #1516 of 1778 🔗

Welcome, Eagle; you’re among friends here.

Plenty of Scots here BTL (below the line) trapped in Krankie land. Some of us, like me, trapped in Bojo land.

445202 ▶▶▶ TheTartanEagle, replying to Ceriain, 6, #1517 of 1778 🔗

Thank you. Friends is good, my remote corner of the uk is awash with the type of people who would have had yer granny burnt at the stake fir witchcraft. Or denounced a neighbour for hiding a family in the attic. My little acts of protest involve carrying a copy of graphs from the registers of Scotland. Good with numbers, me.

445181 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to TheTartanEagle, 3, #1518 of 1778 🔗

Welcome 🙂 Hope you don’t mind a bit of bad