2021-03-04

Sourcehttps://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/03/04/latest-news-303/
Published2021-03-04T03:09:31
Last updated2021-03-04T11:36:23
Scraped2021-03-05T08:32:40
Articles20
Comments2,015
Users265

Articles

Comments

445485 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 28, #1 of 2015 🔗

Today’s alternative top of the page photo

Sir Patrick Moore, born today in 1923. The world-renowned astronomer, xylophonist and TV personality famously mapped the “seas” of the Moon. But his lifelong search across the visible universe, using an array of sophisticated telescopes, for a valid reason to respond to a self-inflicted economic crash by raising the corporation tax rate to twice that of the Republic of Ireland would tragically be in vain.

445487 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #2 of 2015 🔗

I was allowed to stay up late to watch The Sky At Night despite the economic horrors of the 1970s.

445491 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to karenovirus, 16, #3 of 2015 🔗

Proper signature tune, too. Sibelius, “At the Castle Gate”, from Pelleas et Mélisande.

446036 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #4 of 2015 🔗

Sibelius’s top notch tunes were a favourite of the time. They used one on a news doc programme called This Week – from Finlandia I think.

446241 ▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to OKUK, 4, #5 of 2015 🔗

If anyone is interested, my favourite symphony is Sibelius’ 4th. It’s so beautifully bleak and uncompromising. It’s a hallucination of ghostly northern landscapes that never quite become solid, and it leaves you longing for them and the imaginative freedom they promise. He wrote it when he was 43 and had just been diagnosed with throat cancer. He lived to be 92.

446300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to OKUK, 2, #6 of 2015 🔗

It was the Karelia Suite. Wonderfully stirring piece of music.

446366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve F, 1, #7 of 2015 🔗

Thanks – yes. always get them mixed up!

446450 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to OKUK, 1, #8 of 2015 🔗

Intermezzo from the Kerelia suite, I believe.

445679 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to karenovirus, 2, #9 of 2015 🔗

And you ain’t seen nothing yet!

445900 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 2, #10 of 2015 🔗

Bring back those economic 1970s horrors.

446001 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Rowan, 11, #11 of 2015 🔗

Indeed. The 1970s were good times to be alive, in spite of what many try to tell us.

446039 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #12 of 2015 🔗

Hmmm Bay City Rollers v the Beatles. Yes, it’s a tough one.:)

446316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to OKUK, 6, #13 of 2015 🔗

The Bay City Rollers certainly do NOT define 70s music! I think we had some the best music ever in the early seventies. Try: Led Zeppelin, Free, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Jethro Tull, Yes, Cream, Santana, Wishbone Ash, Neil Young, Canned Heat, Ry Cooder, Little Feat, Ten Years After, etc etc…
I could go on.

447092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Steve F, 1, #14 of 2015 🔗

All proper music.

447173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to stevie119, #15 of 2015 🔗

Indeed. Never bettered.

447422 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve F, #16 of 2015 🔗

Grateful Dead, Byrds, Jefferson Airplane/Starship, Commander Cody and his Lost Plane Airmen, Sweet, …

446390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 1, #17 of 2015 🔗

Shang-a-lang !

446262 ▶▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 3, #18 of 2015 🔗

Yes, they were great times to be young. Unfortunately, we didn’t guard our democracy during those heady days, and in our enthusiasm to change society we threw out much that was good, along with the bad.

445493 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 27, #19 of 2015 🔗

I remember Sir Patrick saying that the fact that so many trusted in astrology proved the truth of that old scientific law, namely “that there’s one born every minute.”

That dictum could be applied to so many aspects of the current situation.

445545 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #20 of 2015 🔗

I agree with you there. He published a searing little book debunking astrology, which I still treasure.

446392 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Annie, 3, #21 of 2015 🔗

Sir Isaac Newton disagreed with both of you, Annie.

446926 ▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to JohnB, 1, #22 of 2015 🔗

Newton was twisted and bitter because Leibniz beat him to the calculus.

447423 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, #23 of 2015 🔗

Or maybe concussed from all those apples falling on his head.

446042 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #24 of 2015 🔗

Sir Patrick got involved in “a little bit of politics” as Ben Elton used to say. Set up with others the “United Country Party”. Surprising really that the BBC didn’t escort him off the premises at that point.

445543 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 9, #25 of 2015 🔗

In 1972 the Cambridge University Astronomical Society, the most peaceable and harmless collection of young enthusiasts ever gathered together, who loved nothing better than a night’s comet-hunting by telescope, or a discussion of micro- back-wave radiation over a pint in the pub, invited Sir Patrick to come and address thrm. He refused, daying he wasn’t going to associate with a mob of hairy rebel lefties, or words to that effect. .
He lost my respect from that moment.

445634 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Annie, 15, #26 of 2015 🔗

That’s a shame. A child in my family wrote to him asking about supernovas and whether we’d ever get the chance to see one, and he wrote back personally telling her that Betelgeuse will go up at some point quite “soon” – in astronomical terms – some time in the next ten million years. “It will make for quite a sight if you’re lucky enough to see it”, he wrote – rather poignantly, as he died two weeks later. I thought it was nice that he would write such a letter when he was obviously very ill.

446009 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 8, #27 of 2015 🔗

If anyone’s actually interested in Betelgeuse, this is correct. It’s quite obviously dimmer than it was when I first saw it, some 55 years ago, and is indeed going supernova. This could happen this afternoon, or it might not happen for 500,000 years, but when it does, Betelgeuse will become the second-brightest object, after the Sun, in the sky, and will be visible day and night. I glance up at it and live in hope!

446393 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 1, #28 of 2015 🔗

Betelgeuse !
Betelgeuse !!
Betelgeuse !!!

It’s quite obviously dimmer than it was when I first saw it, some 55 years ago,

Recent eye-test ? 🙂

445802 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Annie, 6, #29 of 2015 🔗

Many of that wartime generation never really ‘got’ socialism, though it was the ordinary soldiers, airmen and sailors who demanded a welfare state and a country worth coming back to.

446050 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jhfreedom, 6, #30 of 2015 🔗

Socialists try and own the concept of welfare but it as pioneered by Bismarck (difficult to get more non-socialist) and in the UK it was the Liberals who set up the framework for a welfare state (and Beveridge was a liberal). So I think of the welfare state as a populist response, that was eventually supported by all parties. Of course the welfare state has morphed from a safety net to a lifestyle support.

446117 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to OKUK, 3, #31 of 2015 🔗

Bismarck was consciously trying to prevent the growth of the Social Democratic movement by using reforms to make it seem unnecessary. His was a carrot and stick approach as he also banned the movement for a time. As for Beveridge, it was in part an attempt to stop Liberal voters drifting to the growing Labour Party. In the end the old Liberal Party was pulled apart, as shown by a cartoon in which Asquith is pulled in two directions, by “socialism” on the left and “rich radicalism” on the right.

446727 ▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #32 of 2015 🔗

What they wanted more than anything was a situation where a family that didn’t have sixpence to spare could still see a doctor.

445845 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #33 of 2015 🔗

He was pretty far to the right. He was one of the founders of the New Britain Party, although it never got anywhere politically.

445546 ▶▶ Bigade, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 21, #34 of 2015 🔗

Friedrich, yes the insanity of yesterdas budget was epitomised by that ridiculous increasing of the corporate tax rate. Not instant of course, he’s giving the main corporate entities that can do so, sometime to shift away from Blighty and to more forgiving tax regimes. Rishi is quietly doing his masters bidding and shutting down large sections of the UK economy.

445780 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Bigade, 3, #35 of 2015 🔗

Bit of an overeaction. First it doesn’t come in until year beginning April 2023 and it doesn’t apply for cos with profits with £50k or less and on a sliding scale until a co gets to £250k profits . So I doubt if many on here will be hit .

445784 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to arfurmo, 3, #36 of 2015 🔗

already whispers that there will be a General Election before then.

445887 ▶▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #37 of 2015 🔗

Why chuck away the current majority? Didn’t go well for May .

446730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to arfurmo, 1, #38 of 2015 🔗

Just as well.

445570 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #39 of 2015 🔗

This will sound ignorant, but I’ve never really wanted to know the cold facts of astrology, I just like to lay under the stars and dream. More often as not I dream of what life was like before lockdown modern man & what life was like living with megafauna.

445587 ▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #40 of 2015 🔗

If you want to know about astrology the good folk at the UN can help.
lucist trust etc.

perhaps you meant astronomy?

445590 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bill Grates, 4, #41 of 2015 🔗

No I was being facetious. There’s just as much science fiction in both.

445733 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #42 of 2015 🔗

Why is that ignorant? Sounds sensible to me.

445754 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BertieFox, 4, #43 of 2015 🔗

The site is full of analytical types don’t think they appreciate dreamers.

446049 ▶▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Anti_socialist, #44 of 2015 🔗

Agreed.

445770 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #45 of 2015 🔗

Astrology is to astronomy what Neil Ferguson is to computer science

446404 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #46 of 2015 🔗

Wank.

To crib from Newton – to what extent have you studied astrology, TBP ?

445794 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #47 of 2015 🔗

Especially post-Brexit when we need to attract international investment. To raise tax when the deficit is busting through £400bn is senseless. Just borrow on a 100-year war bond at 1.1% and inflate it away over the next century. To actually attempt to pay our debts by extracting from the economy directly is nuts.

445809 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #48 of 2015 🔗

Sir Patrick Moore was also chairman of the short-lived United Country Party aka UCP.
It didn’t take long for people hereabouts to point out that UCP was the name of a chain of tripe merchants. 🙂

446028 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 1, #49 of 2015 🔗

And black puddings!!

446910 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #50 of 2015 🔗

True. But they never sold me! (Never knowingly sold – or something like that.)

445821 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 15, #51 of 2015 🔗

Also called man made climate change a load of tosh
Back when such things could be said on the BBC and you could still be too big to cancel
Unlike David Bellamy

447453 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #52 of 2015 🔗

Only just registered this post.
I had the great pleasure of dining with him in 1974. He was an engaging gentleman, literally an imposing personality who made this young man ( at the time) feel very much at ease.

445488 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 37, #53 of 2015 🔗

Posted this just before shutting time on yesterday’s page: it should be here for all to see. 🙂

What a total non -surprise! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56271627

Covid: React study finds virus decline slowing in England


Yes, it’s Imperial’s monthly bullshit survey; specially designed to give the Regime the excuse to change the Lockdown timetable. Some real garbage in here:

But the study found some evidence of smaller falls in Yorkshire and the north-east, and apparent rises in London , the south-east andthe Midlands – although this was based on only a few days’ worth of data in
February.

Really?! See the attached graphic from the Gov’s own webpage for London ‘cases’. London daily ‘case’ numbers are back where they were in early September before the Regime started mass testing there.

Imperial are also trying to ramp up the schools paranoia again; helping out the unions’ cries of “teachers will die!”

The React study also found some workers were more likely to be infected than others. They included healthcare workers, care home workers and those working in education, nursery or childcare .

What a load of Bollocks!

445490 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Ceriain, 26, #54 of 2015 🔗

And as I pointed out when you posted it before, that decline curve has been “slowing” since it started. It would be surprising for a curve to accelerate towards zero, unless it was a curve describing the chances of surviving for the next tenth of a second while falling from a tall building.

445498 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 5, #55 of 2015 🔗

I only chose to start the graph on January 1st, NN.

That’s just before the current full lockdown began. you can see the whole graph here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=region&areaName=London

And that’s us copied over the whole thread. 😉 🙂

445505 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 20, #56 of 2015 🔗

Apologies for replying to myself, but I just want to add something, seeing that graph above.

It starts on January 1st; the latest lockdown started on the 5th. Notice how the “case” numbers start to plummet immediately; the day after, in fact.
Given the number of tests they were doing at the time, the number of “cases” should not have suddenly fallen liked that, in my opinion.

Unless they were fiddling the numbers, of course, to make it look like lockdown was having an instant effect.

445636 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 13, #57 of 2015 🔗

A miracle! A miracle! Follow the shoe! Follow the gourd!

445693 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Ceriain, 3, #58 of 2015 🔗

Except that on January 5th a good part of the country had been in Tier 4 (lockdown in all but name) for more than a week already.

445737 ▶▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Ceriain, 6, #59 of 2015 🔗

Of course they’re fiddling the numbers Ceriain!!!

445917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BertieFox, 4, #60 of 2015 🔗

But surely they wouldn’t do that!

445676 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 5, #61 of 2015 🔗

Yes, it is an exponential, but a decreasing one: y = exp[-t/k]. Do you think the government know that exponentials can go down as well as up?

445697 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Basileus, 14, #62 of 2015 🔗

That word long ago stopped being used in any meaningful sense – they now only use it because it sounds a bit like “explosive” and sounds frighteningly scientific and serious. They might as well say “rates are now rising expialidociously”. (And of course, yes, it’s only ever associated with “rising”, never “falling”).

445730 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 8, #63 of 2015 🔗

Indeed, but there are one or two of us in the science community who still know which way is up.

446748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Crimson Avenger, replying to Basileus, 1, #64 of 2015 🔗

This graph of a seasonal disease is approximately hammock shaped, and as y tends to 0 the gradient tends to infinity. Journalists can feed off that.

445811 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Basileus, 8, #65 of 2015 🔗

In most cases they don’t even know what the word exponential means, but its useful to insert in government project fear briefings. It features heavily in the lexicon of technical words in fake news reports.

446681 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Burlington, 1, #66 of 2015 🔗

A popularised technicality, to use the term in Fowler’s Modern English Usage.

445883 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Basileus, 1, #67 of 2015 🔗

You’re right – but the ZOE trajectory is a bit flatter than I would have expected at this point in time.

445496 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 10, #68 of 2015 🔗

They used the same ‘slowdown is reducing’ trick on Local Live last summer as hospitalisations and deaths trickled towards zero.

445497 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to karenovirus, 24, #69 of 2015 🔗

Hospitalizations in London are back under 100 a day, and falling; Deaths* are in the low to mid teens, and falling – back to October numbers.

What bothers me is Johnson and his cabal only ever listen to Imperial.*(Usual ‘death’ caveats apply)

445920 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Ceriain, 5, #70 of 2015 🔗

Or is it Imperial listening to the government cabal?

445562 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ceriain, 35, #71 of 2015 🔗

Davy Crocket, King of the wild frontier, for Texas and freedom a man was more willing to die. In my view the decisions to drop lockdown measures in Texas and Mississippi are crucial in demonstrating that micro-examinations of slight changes in graphs and stats should never have any impact on our freedoms.
It shows how far we have come down the the repressive totalitarian route that it is now accepted that we must look at these things to determine our freedoms. I am hopeful that these USA states that have opted for freedom will show that if we want to live as free people ‘rocking in the free world’ then the criteria for ever restricting our freedoms are way way above this sort of microc data examination.
This stuff should be the subject of back-room public health discussions looking at long term public health policy, never ever ever the bargaining criteria for our freedoms.

445637 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Ceriain, 12, #72 of 2015 🔗

Could this possibly be because we are reaching the false positve rate? It can’t fall any further.

445645 ▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Puddleglum, 19, #73 of 2015 🔗

Lodger works at an asymptomatic testing site, their positive results have been in line with false positive rate for a couple of weeks now. Their boss wants it to go a bit higher so they can justify staying open. 😡

445925 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Puddleglum, 9, #74 of 2015 🔗

Quite, there will never Covid zero, until you stop testing.

446645 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Puddleglum, 1, #75 of 2015 🔗

Phew! Boris was heard to exclaim.

445489 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #76 of 2015 🔗

China Mandates Anal Swab COVID Tests For All Visitors, Despite “Psychological Pain”

Chinese officials have decided to make the humiliating anal swab tests for the coronavirus mandatory for almost all international arrivals…

Chinese health experts claim the anal swab is much more accurate than a nasal cavity or cheek swab and can avoid ‘false negatives’

445526 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #77 of 2015 🔗

If I were ever to go visit Great Aunt Moon and uncle cricket in wuhan I’ll tel, them where they can shove their tests! Oh…

445567 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Skippy, 5, #78 of 2015 🔗

You could just send a sample by post in advance.

445829 ▶▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #79 of 2015 🔗

There was a young man from Newcastle.
Who sent Xi a brown paper parcel.
In it was shit & on it was writ.
A present from some buggers arsehole.

I’ll get my coat….

445865 ▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Burlington, 1, #80 of 2015 🔗

😂

445548 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #81 of 2015 🔗

UNREAL

445744 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #82 of 2015 🔗

Isn’t it? Can’t get my head around this at all.

445583 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 27, #83 of 2015 🔗

Organise an international conference in China for health secretaries.

445954 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Annie, 11, #84 of 2015 🔗

Perhaps the next Davos conference could be re-located to China.

445696 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #85 of 2015 🔗

I suppose it will serve its purpose in keeping the virus out, by deterring almost all foreigners from travelling to China in the first place…

445727 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #86 of 2015 🔗

Just as well we can’t leave the country cause no-one’s sticking anything up my arse!
I wonder if this will catch on in europe – “bottoms up” mate! 🙂

445819 ▶▶▶ Burlington, replying to penelope pitstop, 5, #87 of 2015 🔗

They are still trying to blow smoke up everyone’s arses!

446662 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #88 of 2015 🔗

“Just as well we can’t leave the country cause no-one’s sticking anything up my arse!”

I think you will find that Boris has been doing exactly that for over a year now.

447250 ▶▶▶ Jez Hewitt, replying to penelope pitstop, #89 of 2015 🔗

In fairness, having been subjected to numerous tests of late due to travel, I can honestly say I’d rather they swab my arse. The nose is just a no go for me. Makes it unpleasant for them too in most cases.

446656 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #90 of 2015 🔗

Make sure on the flight over you eat nothing else but curried beans.

445492 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 63, #91 of 2015 🔗

Great lead article. Most on the left would rather talk about depraved sex than engage in a struggle about getting a better pay rate.

Distressing story about the psychotherapist cuffed by the police. Our brave boys and girls in blue really are the scum of the earth.

445499 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 62, #92 of 2015 🔗

The Left Lockdown Sceptics piece really is well worth reading in full.
This on the politics of vaccines not highlighted ATL.

445501 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to karenovirus, 6, #93 of 2015 🔗

Oh gosh, that would put “Conor,” Jonathan, Toby and Will into a tizz.

445606 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #94 of 2015 🔗

They fully support EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS. THESE ARE NOT VACCINES FFS.

ATL of course the Daily Shill Puff Piece on the ‘holy grail’ of ‘transmission reduction’ stated by Wancock et al. NO proof exists that these drugs do anything except injury, maim and kill. 400 dead, 100 K injured and counting.

Nothing on LDS about that of course.

CJTW have all been jabbed one assumes…..

445509 ▶▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to karenovirus, 31, #95 of 2015 🔗

The author appears to have not only a wonderful command of English but also a precisely accurate overview of the reality of this scamdemic. As already pointed out, this part is conspicuous by its absence in the ATL article.

445608 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Hugh_Manity, 13, #96 of 2015 🔗

All hail the experimental drugs…so this site has always said.

Then they moan about ‘drug IDs’, ‘drug passports’. What the hell would they expect? The whole point is digital surveillance.

445516 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 8, #97 of 2015 🔗

Who knew, there are some socialists with principles left after all.

445779 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #98 of 2015 🔗

Yes, we exist, and we need to join together to push out this hideous cross-party authoritarian stitch.

445563 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 29, #99 of 2015 🔗

The vaccines have been rushed but not to get the government off the hook but to ensnare everyone with a digital ID

445588 ▶▶▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to jonathan Palmer, 9, #100 of 2015 🔗

Absolutely correct

445749 ▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to jonathan Palmer, 6, #101 of 2015 🔗

Yes, to start the process of transhumanism

445772 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to karenovirus, 23, #102 of 2015 🔗

This is EXACTLY right. These gangsters framed their experimental drugs as “vaccines” in ORDER to discredit anyone raising the alarm and questioning them as an “anti vaxxer”. They capitalised on the existing smear campaign aimed at anti vaxxers (many of whom have valid points that need further investigation and debate) in order to silence dissent. It is abhorrent what they’ve done. We have MPs and the BBC and other MSM outlets conditioned into being drug pushers because they’ve been led to believe any criticism is a “dangerous anti vax” position. THESE are the people who need to wake up and get ANGRY. The journalists and MPs and celebrities, who’ve been conned into pushing experimental drugs into people. We have to wake them up and support them. They are like the children coerced into selling drugs on the street. You don’t go after the children, you need to go after the cartel boss…

445914 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 6, #103 of 2015 🔗

It makes a number of good points. Some of them occurred to me previously but not expressed in the form of an article, such as when did the left suddenly develop a love affair with the police, the main implementers of lockdown?

445508 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Londo Mollari, 51, #104 of 2015 🔗

That article is an excellent articulate summary of events over the last year.

It has been striking that my own expression of a reasoned lockdown sceptical perspective has led to accusations in some circles of me espousing extreme right wing views.

Left and Right seem to now be outdated terms. The establishment of appropriately named replacement terms with which people can identify could be an important factor in taking the battle forward.

445553 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to SilentP, 64, #105 of 2015 🔗

Agree. Been saying it for months.
Suffering is suffering and enslavement is enslavement. It doesn’t matter what social class you belong to, or what your job is ( or isn’t), or how you last voted.
And whether your child goes to Eton or to Crapwell Junior, if you send him or her to school to wear a face nappy all day, you’re criminal and the school is wicked.

446328 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to SilentP, 3, #106 of 2015 🔗

Right. People on our side make a mistake when they try to attach existing political labels to the WEF agenda. It isn’t really fascist or communist or socialist or capitalist. It’s … something else.

447100 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mattghg, #107 of 2015 🔗

Corporatism

445580 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 26, #108 of 2015 🔗

What shocks me most is when I see those horrific videos of police harassing yet another perfectly innocent person just out walking or the like is they don’t say anything. They just act totally robot-like and not a word out of them. Added that they so often seem to throw in a gratuitous grappling the person to the ground and then putting them in a chokehold (and keep that up despite any shouts about how they are hurting the person concerned). It shocks me to my core each time I witness one of those episodes. But indeed that woman-wanting-her-coffee episode was shocking enough. Just for the “crime” of walking precisely 2 miles forgoodnesssake. My quick calculation revealed that all my walks around here are at least 2 miles (one favourite coming in at precisely 1.9 miles and that’s assuming I don’t take a walk round the vicinity when I get there). So just why why why grab her for 2 miles or was she grabbed for the coffee – or was it a combination of both? So tough luck cops – one recent walk was that 1.9 miles, couldnt get my coffee I wanted from the (shut) cafe, but took water from their outside tap and sat down (on a bench!) drinking it, followed by long conversation at normal distancing with someone I’d never met (turned out he’s in my local anti-Lockdown Facebook group I run). So which particular bit of that perfectly normal activity would the robocops like to have had me for?

445624 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 39, #109 of 2015 🔗

Yet again it makes you wonder why they don’t display the same zeal when in comes to dealing with REAL criminals – thieves, rapists, murderers, gangs, etc.

I’ve long been of the view that they will deserve everything they will get when the day of reckoning comes.

The police should be never made to forget their abominable role in this shit show. They should never be believed when they plead “poverty” and “cuts” as to why they aren’t doing their jobs. They’ve demonstrated during this time that they have the time, money and resources to harass ordinary people going about their business so why aren’t they going after the REAL criminals?

445751 ▶▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #110 of 2015 🔗

Well said,Mrs B!

445635 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ElizaP, 5, #111 of 2015 🔗

2 miles is a forty minute slow stroll for an able bodied person.

445995 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to karenovirus, 4, #112 of 2015 🔗

-so a ninety-minute slog for the average lardarse copper, then.

446052 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 3, #113 of 2015 🔗

I have recently walked three miles (during the good London weather). It took me about an hour.

446148 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Waldorf, 2, #114 of 2015 🔗

Yes, I time myself every day (with the dog) and 20 mins covers a mile.

446170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tillysmum, 11, #115 of 2015 🔗

Yet again, proof of Steins observation:

‘In Britain, everything is policed except crime’”

“It has become very apparent that British policemen are very aggressive when dealing with the passive, and very passive when dealing with the aggressive.”

The only cure is the immediate dismissal without pension of every policeman involved in Covid harassment for bringing the service into disrepute.

445605 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #116 of 2015 🔗

Yes, agree. Loved that first article. Just spot on.

446383 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #117 of 2015 🔗

Distressing story about the psychotherapist cuffed by the police. Our brave boys and girls in blue really are the scum of the earth.

She doesn’t agree.

“There are, of course, grievous breaches that must be controlled and I applaud the police for their part in this.”.

Ok for her, not for those grievous breachers …

445494 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #118 of 2015 🔗

Lockdowns or the planet gets it? Guardian ‘accidentally’ suggests Covid-like shutdowns every 2 years to meet Paris climate goals

Guardian originally posted the piece under the title “Global lockdown every two years needed to meet Paris CO2 goals – study.”

445573 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Anti_socialist, 21, #119 of 2015 🔗

Thanks for that link.
A few weeks ago someone on LS asked about the effect of global lockdown on CO2 levels and I posted this link to Dr.Roy Spencer’s blog because he had wondered the same thing. (Roy Spencer, with Dr. John Christy, maintains one of the satellite datasets for tropospheric/near surface warming at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. The other dataset is Remote Sensing Systems, RSS).
Here’s that link again:
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/06/covid-19-global-economic-downturn-not-affecting-co2-rise-may-2020-update/
As Dr.Spencer points out, the estimated 11% drop in anthropogenic CO2 emissions as a result of lockdowns (at the time of his blogpost), has had no effect on the increasing level of atmospheric CO2 over 2019 levels according to the Mauna Loa data, and he estimates that it would take a 4 fold decrease to ‘stabilise’ atmospheric CO2 levels. Just ponder that when it is suggested, as The Guardian article does, that lockdowns of our economies could be used to tackle the ‘climate emergency’.
It is of no surprise to me that this stuff is coming out of the University of East Anglia, presumably the CRU (Climate Research Unit).
Here’s a link to the latest dataset from Mauna Loa:
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
I am aware that some on here don’t like these kinds of posts because they think that they are ‘off-topic’, however everything we have seen regarding the way the pandemic has been handled has been lifted straight from the ‘global warming’ handbook, only on steroids, and it is feeding back and emboldening climate science and policy makers in the sense that they can now reasonably conclude that if the public will put up with this shit show then they will probably put up with anything.

Hors d’oeuvres by Roy Harper:

The judge sits on his great assize
Twelve men wise with swollen thighs
Who never ever told no lies
Whose minds were ever such a size
Whose lives were ever such a prize
Whose brains bred answers just like flies
Whose answers stalked their thoughts like spies
Whose lead ball through the courtroom flies
To rip a hole clean between two eyes
That never ever wore disguise
And never ever saw blue skies
Who quickly lived now slowly dies
Who closed unopened otherwise
Well you can lead a horse to water
But you’re never gonna make him drink
And you can lead a man to slaughter
But you’re never gonna make him think
The critic rubs his tired arse
Scrapes his poor brains, strains and farts
And wields a pen that stops and starts
And thinks in terms of booze and tarts
And sits there playing with his parts
He says I’m much too crude and far too coarse
And he says this singer’s just a farce
He’s got no healing formulas
He’s got no cure-all for our scars
He’s got no bra-strap for our bras
And our sagging tits no longer hold a full house of hearts
And you know what? I don’t think this little song’s gonna make the charts
Well you can lead a horse to water
But you’re never gonna make him drink
And you can lead a man to slaughter
But you’re never gonna make him think

445602 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Alex B, 9, #120 of 2015 🔗

I am aware that some on here don’t like these kinds of posts because they think that they are ‘off-topic’,

Let them jog on.

445789 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #121 of 2015 🔗

It is all ON TOPIC when the topic is a coup of the people by a gang of global leaders playing god. Wait a few weeks, a couple of months maybe, until they drop the virus narrative altogether and start arguing that leaving your house for any reason HARMS the environment so you must be monitored at all times and “pay” a carbon tax for your every movement. Lockdown is the base tool for ALL authoritarian regimes and totalitarian structures. So it is very much on topic!

445613 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Alex B, 21, #122 of 2015 🔗

IMO the CV 19 fascism is tightly linked to the Great Greentard Reset. Bozo Doris said last summer that your world would run on ‘guilt free’ energy, whatever the hell that means (millions of dead birds from the choppers, themselves made from carbon energy sources etc?).

So the 2 cults are intertwined, the Great Reset is the Warmtard fascism.

445824 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 5, #123 of 2015 🔗

The Natsocs were ardent Greens
a fact left out of the history books

445915 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #124 of 2015 🔗

Hitler was non smoking, vegetarian and teetotal.

445969 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #125 of 2015 🔗

Yer but he bloody loved amphetamines

446356 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 1, #126 of 2015 🔗

Which sums up how Woodbines, bully beef, and our Russian allies’ wodka, won WW2. 🙂

447442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to JohnB, #127 of 2015 🔗

And a lot of good it did us.

447441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to karenovirus, #128 of 2015 🔗

Sensible bloke.

446351 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #129 of 2015 🔗

They’ve fucked about with the commonly understood meaning of ‘Green’ too.

Every rational person cares about the planet, our environment, and our impact on nature.

But they’ve turned being Green into someone who insists on non-fossil energy, not flying, and only eating insects.

446676 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to FerdIII, 1, #130 of 2015 🔗

guilt free energy = shivering

445684 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Alex B, 8, #131 of 2015 🔗

..and as has been repeatedly pointed out by climate sceptics, the greenhouse effect does not exist. If it did it would violate the second law of thermodynamics.

445990 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Alex B, 1, #132 of 2015 🔗

Hats Off To Harper!

445672 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #133 of 2015 🔗

“or the planet gets it ” is the language of terrorists. “Do as we say or granny gets it” has basically be used already. Shame on them!

445782 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to this is my username, 10, #134 of 2015 🔗

Coming soon, Stay Home, Protect the Planet, Save Lives

445705 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #135 of 2015 🔗

In the 70’s during the oil crises we had car free Sundays in the Netherlands. If I remember correctly these were once a month.
Actually great fun! Rollerskating on the motorway!

445893 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #136 of 2015 🔗

Sometimes the hidden agenda just slips out.

447424 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Anti_socialist, #137 of 2015 🔗

It’s been pretty obvious all along. They obviously believe that the plebs are too stupid to work this out for themselves. Vaccine passports? Digital apps that can be tracked so that all journeys can be monitored and people fined and punished for ‘excess travel’ and breaching their carbon allowance.

445495 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 134, #138 of 2015 🔗

Susan Michie is an evil cow! She’s not interested in Covid; she only wants to use children as lab rats in an experiment on their parents.

Devi Shridar is also an evil cow! She’s also not interested in Covid; she only wants to threaten young people because they won’t do what she wants them to do.

Interesting that the Times refers to young people (to whom the virus is no threat, so don’t even need the jab) as anti-vaxxers. Not taking a vaccine because you clearly don’t need it, does not make you an anti-vaxxer.

445507 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 58, #139 of 2015 🔗

Who would have thought hippy dippy Totnes a cauldron of seething ant-vaxx conspiracy nutters
(from Local Live (mirror group news).

445550 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to karenovirus, 38, #140 of 2015 🔗

Brilliant. I’ve always liked Totnes. Now even more so. Let the place become a hotbed for the vax-sceptics. I will join them there.

445586 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bigade, 7, #141 of 2015 🔗

I like Totnes – but couldn’t afford it. One of the reasons I moved to Cardigan is seeing it described as the “the Welsh Totnes”. I’m working on the hotbedd angle….

445619 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to ElizaP, 4, #142 of 2015 🔗

Are you in Cardigan now, Eliza? I thought you’d moved to North Wales. If the former, I’d love to meet up. You can email me at anmaidrinrua(at)gmail.com

445638 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Melangell, #143 of 2015 🔗

I’m emailing you. Look out for verydes

446758 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bigade, 4, #144 of 2015 🔗

Many many years ago, I spent a Friday night in Totnes, in a pub near the railway station. It was noisy, friendly and very boozy, but everything else just a distant blur. Always wanted to go back and now all the more so, given the enlightened attitude towards the Gates’s terminator vaccines.

445554 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #145 of 2015 🔗

Just decided where my next short break will be. Anybody know a nice cottage near Totnes?

445796 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Annie, 13, #146 of 2015 🔗

Great idea!! Let’s have our first LS party there on 20th March!

445632 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to karenovirus, 7, #147 of 2015 🔗

“Resident Paul Wesley’ intends wearing a mask for rest of his life.

446687 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #148 of 2015 🔗

“wearing a mask for rest of his life”

Don’t worry it won’t be very long.

445792 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to karenovirus, 4, #149 of 2015 🔗

At last! I had high hopes for Totnes. I’m packing my bags now.

445798 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 2, #150 of 2015 🔗

Nice to have a chuckle over the last sentence of the news clip.

446276 ▶▶▶ George L, replying to karenovirus, 5, #151 of 2015 🔗

Paul Wesley aka the Totnes Tosser 🙂

447142 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to karenovirus, -1, #152 of 2015 🔗

On the other hand I can predict with 90% certainty that it is full of raving greens.

445537 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Ceriain, 2, #153 of 2015 🔗

What a terrible Bitch she surely is !!!….

445547 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Ceriain, 31, #154 of 2015 🔗

Me again , she is a behavioral scientist & a uk communist party member , I wouldn’t ask her to feed my cat never mind letting her shape children’s futures , she needs outing !! COME on Toby or Dellers DO IT !!!

445576 ▶▶▶ cloud6, replying to Freddy Boy, 13, #155 of 2015 🔗

On 100% salary, safe job, and sends her children to private school, no doubt.

445700 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Freddy Boy, 4, #156 of 2015 🔗

A Communist Party of Britain member to be exact. The extreme left do after all oppose monarchy and (in Britain) generally advocate a united Ireland.

446242 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to GCarty80, 2, #157 of 2015 🔗

CPGB. As a Cold War (ex)soldier, we only looked forward to WWIII starting so we could shoot that bunch of traitors on sight.

446694 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to GCarty80, 2, #158 of 2015 🔗

“The extreme left do after all oppose monarchy and (in Britain) generally advocate a united Ireland.”

#metoo

Maybe I should join?

445551 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ceriain, 1, #159 of 2015 🔗

Pedovorous banshees!

445565 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ceriain, 64, #160 of 2015 🔗

Posted late yesterday by Godowneasy

445628 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 7, #161 of 2015 🔗

Whoever created that meme is a genuis.

445690 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #162 of 2015 🔗

Brilliant, just tweeted.

447048 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to karenovirus, 1, #163 of 2015 🔗

Well done , let’s get the old bag some proper publicity !!!

445598 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ceriain, 16, #164 of 2015 🔗

covid has certainly flushed a fifth column into the open

445603 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to steve_w, 12, #165 of 2015 🔗

For those with eyes to see, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. The only good thing to come out of this hellish shitshow!

445630 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Jinks, 6, #166 of 2015 🔗

It isn’t good when your kids are on the receiving end

445627 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ceriain, 40, #167 of 2015 🔗

Exactly. Mitchie should be sacked from her post in UCL, jailed and struck off from whatever body she’s a member of. Her using of people especially children for her twisted experiments is evil.

Shridar is another one. What the feck is an anthropologist doing advising a government on matters of health? Since when has anthropology has anything to do with health?

Both women have put their disciplines into disrepute. A plague on their houses.

445699 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Ceriain, 15, #168 of 2015 🔗

The worst thing about Devi Sridhar is that she’s an immigrant herself, which (given that countries following her recommended zero covid strategy would almost certainly ban immigration) means she’s a ladder-puller.

445500 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #169 of 2015 🔗

I see that the Tokyo Olympics is likely to be a spectatorless event. I suspect it will also be a flop.

It may also be a tragedy. Leaving aside the Fukushima problem (10th anniversary next week of three full reactor meltdowns and subsequent events which are ongoing to this day). They are going to hold the Games in July/August. That is a very warm time of the year for physical exertion. In 2019 Japan had a severe heatwave and temperatures reached 40C in some places. A repeat of that would certainly make some of the sporting activities impossible.

In 1964 the Olympics in the city were held in October because of the climate. Now the final arbiters of dates (as ell as of health, vaccines and pandemics) are the TV and media corporations.

445504 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Londo Mollari, 31, #170 of 2015 🔗

There’s no comedy blacker than watching the sporting world try to pretend it isn’t dead. However brilliant a performance might be, it’s now clear… it was only ever about the crowd and the rush of feeling the same emotions as tens of thousands of other people. (Or, in the case of a Durham fan who prefers the County Championship, the same emotions as seven other people, four of whom are stewards.)

445525 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 44, #171 of 2015 🔗

Absolutely spot on.
My interest in professional sport has dwindled to nothing. The mockery of an empty stadium, coupled with the TV putting crowd noises over the top is so bizarre that I’m amazed anyone is still interested.
I hold the major sports organisations in contempt for the way they cravenly folded in March last year. That helped push the government into lockdown.

445612 ▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to Ed Phillips, 16, #172 of 2015 🔗

And the media (BBC/Sky/BT) still kow-towing to the BLM sham because they are so woke and there are still no crowds there to reflect what the supporters real feelings about the BLM movement are. Now that would be some good crowd noise (as proved when supporters were temporarily allowed back)

445618 ▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mj, 15, #173 of 2015 🔗

Mostly Blacks now ‘commenting’ on the Fake Sports Channels we noticed. Mixed in with mostly Black adverts. I did not realise that England was mostly a Black country. Jesus, I must have been asleep awhile.

445755 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to FerdIII, 2, #174 of 2015 🔗

Get used to it , projected to happen around 2066 but it will more likely be sometime in the 2040’s the indigenous peoples of this island will be an ethnic minority in their ancestral homeland .

447061 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to FerdIII, 1, #175 of 2015 🔗

The adverts oh the fucking adverts !! Trapped in a hotel room in deepest Kent last night no internet just the tele ! Every single advert bar the very odd one has an ethnic connotation!! It’s embarrassing for everyone !!

445732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to mj, 4, #176 of 2015 🔗

I wonder how far down the hierarchy you have to go down at BBC/Sky/BT before you find a black person.

445661 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #177 of 2015 🔗

Indeed, the spectacle of rugby players taking the knee standing 2 metres apart while muttering their national anthems before wrestling with each h other for 80 minutes and donning face nappies in empty stadia has totally ruined the 6 nations for me this year.

445663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to vargas99, 1, #178 of 2015 🔗

Now you know what rugby league fans feel like watching it! 😃 😉

445807 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Ed Phillips, 18, #179 of 2015 🔗

Me too. Gone from big footy fan to not giving a shit. Will not watch players who are coerced into testing in order to play. Will not watch crowd-less games. Can’t go to pub or games – not interested in watching at home. I know of a healthy 45-year-old who ended his life because watching the footy down the pub with his mates was his life blood. Felt he had nothing to live for. THAT is the blood this government had on its hands.

445555 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #180 of 2015 🔗

Where two or three are gathered together in the name of anything worthwhile, there’s your crowd.

445979 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Annie, 1, #181 of 2015 🔗

-as Matthew from HMRC so snappily put it (18:20, as I’m sure you know).

445616 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 10, #182 of 2015 🔗

You don’t want to miss the Tranny O’s. Men competing as women….Athletes on various undectable drugs and high red blood cell injections ‘competing fairly’….taking knees because only Black Lives Matter – not Asian, not Brown, not Whites the most enslaved race in history. Just Blacks. And you must cheer when the Somalian ‘Englishman’ defeats the ‘Senegalese’ Frenchman in the 10.000 m-biathlon-dance-swim-triple jump competition etc. Fascinating. Cry often.

O’s suck. Never watched them. Don’t care. Flag waving horse shit.

445589 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #183 of 2015 🔗

…and the poor athletes can then come back from the outdoor sauna and spend a couple of weeks imprisoned in a hotel on awful food/not able to open the windows/etc. You couldnt make it up…

445631 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #184 of 2015 🔗

If the atheletes have any cojones they would boycott the Olympics due to this continuing insanity.

I came across a headline the other day where Yohan Blake the current 100m world champion had said that he would rather miss the Olympics than have the vaccine. It would be interesting if others join him and voice out their concerns over the insanity that they will be likely to be subjected to in Tokyo.

445713 ▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #185 of 2015 🔗

And the ironic thing is that the Olympics is something prestigious enough that a fair number of people might actually be willing to spend two weeks in quarantine for the chance to watch it.

446031 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #186 of 2015 🔗

Nearby Korea’s summer weather is unpleasantly hot, as experienced by many Western soldiers in the Korean War. The winter cold can be appalling and spring and autumn tend to be the most pleasant seasons. The Seoul Olympics started on September 17, 1988 and was probably meant to miss the hottest weather.

445502 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #187 of 2015 🔗

Masks & social distancing EVERY WINTER?

“If we mask and social distance every winter, we will see a dramatic reduction in flu, which usually causes hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations and tens of thousands of deaths,” Offit, who is also a co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, told CNN in the Wednesday segment.

445558 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #188 of 2015 🔗

Hahahaha. BULLSHIT.

How does he explain the absence of flu in Sweden this year? And its presence in Cambodia?

445503 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #189 of 2015 🔗

ElizaP

The other day ElizaP asked for further information regarding a missing link on the subject of CCPs Social Credit system.
LS reader Cheezilla provided the link below. Sorry I can’t do hyperlinks from an Android but search

medium.com health passport tyranny

will take you to it. The intro suggests it is a reaction to Covid which it is not having been in multiple trials for over a decade and operating in some Chines cities for years.

445593 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 1, #190 of 2015 🔗

thanks

446142 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #191 of 2015 🔗
446322 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, #192 of 2015 🔗

That’s the one thanks Cheezilla, it’s what led me to believe the conspiracy was not just a theory.
Everything that has happened since confirms it.

447546 ▶▶▶▶ GroundhogDayAgain, replying to karenovirus, #193 of 2015 🔗

There’s a crowdfunded legal challenge in the works, crowdfunding still open.
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/join-the-legal-challenge-to-st

445510 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #195 of 2015 🔗

Wasn’t there some government nonsense a couple of weeks ago about taking more control over the NHS so they would be forced ‘to make people lose weight’ ?

445512 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 1, #196 of 2015 🔗

I don’t doubt it.

445520 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #197 of 2015 🔗

Just found it in The Guardian, the government want to make the NHS accountable to guess who ?

Health Secretary Matt Hancock.

445582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 7, #198 of 2015 🔗

Unsurprisingly UK column were reporting government take over of health & social care in May 2020 before Handjob announced it.

445560 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 10, #199 of 2015 🔗

They might start with their own staff.

445578 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to karenovirus, 5, #200 of 2015 🔗

We’ll all be losing weight in the wonderful future they’re planning for us.

445597 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 6, #201 of 2015 🔗

They’d have to start with their own staff one assumes…

445599 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to ElizaP, 5, #202 of 2015 🔗

Adding that I guess we can expect the old height/weight tables to be brought back then (instead of BMI), 1980’s clothes sizing (rather than modern day vanity sizes that tell you you are a size or two smaller than you actually are) and basically no clothes to buy over size 14 ( 36bust-27-38). I’ll add that the clothes I’ve bought recently have labels saying they are size 14 – I’m actually size 18 at the moment and dieting back down (well trying to – to get back to size 14).

445513 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #203 of 2015 🔗

First they came for the fatties!
……Then they came for the grog!
…………Next it’ll be your PETS!

445519 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #204 of 2015 🔗

Nah, smokers was first.

445530 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, #205 of 2015 🔗

Haven’t they done that already?

445726 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #206 of 2015 🔗

And the cattle, chickens, pigs and sheep

445896 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rose, 4, #207 of 2015 🔗

Ferguson did for the cattle 20 years ago and chickens are currently under house arrest.

445556 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #208 of 2015 🔗

You can prescribe diets until you’re blue in the face, but the only way to make a fattie follow the diet is to lock them up and dole out their food by order…
Oh bugger.

445669 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Annie, 31, #209 of 2015 🔗

Most overweight people are fat because they follow the nutrition guidelines that effectively come from the food industry. It’s an issue of too much sugar, carbohydrates and processed food. We talk about big pharma here but don’t forget about ‘big food’ also in relation to food manufacturers.

If the food guidelines were changed to a recommendation that people ate a low carbohydrate high healthy fat, real food diet, and avoided the mechanically extracted vegetable oils (so eat butter rather than margarine for example) then we would see a major change in obesity and population health.

If those were the guidelines, then you could make a case that some overweight people were overweight because of their own choices, albeit choices they should be free to make. But bullying people into losing weight through food guidelines that hormonally can’t work fails both in terms of the approach and recommended foods.

I attended a training event at a local hospital. Decent people for sure, but sat in a room with nurses and other health workers, the obesity issue with NHS staff was pretty obvious. I also attended the Real Food Rocks event in Ambleside, organised by the Public Health Collaboration charity (of which I am a member) and pretty much everyone there was super lean and healthy looking. The difference almost everyone there was eating low carb healthy fat real food. There were a few wheelchair users who who couldn’t move more but were clearly lean through eating the right foods.

I particularly hate the ‘move more eat less’ phrase, and I say that as someone who moves a lot. I’ve taken part in super hilly 100+ mile cycle sportives and it’s amazing how many people taking part are overweight despite them having to do some serious ‘moving more’ to train for the event. That’s not how the body works. Eat the right things and your hunger and satiety are controlled by hormones such as ghrelin and leptin.

445783 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #210 of 2015 🔗

Great post!!! So true

445906 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #211 of 2015 🔗

Fattening food also tends to be cheaper. After he was released from prison, Oscar Wilde, not thin to begin with, put on a noticeable amount of weight – living in poverty constrained his food choices. Economic downturn from the lockdown etc. might itself cause weight gain, plus reduced physical activity.
Convenience foods also tend to cause weight gain.

446037 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #212 of 2015 🔗

Yep and the nhs pushing low fat diets that went out of fashion in the 70’s. As a personal trainer who trains every day I would try not to use the term diet with my clients. I would promote lifestyle change and understanding what you are putting in your mouth. The growth of things like myfitnesspal makes tracking food really easy. Sites like IIFYM (if it fits your macros) lets you eat/drink what you like and still maintain control over you macro ratio and your calorie total. The use of flexible dieting has allowed us to have the occasional treat and still lose weight. Better than all that healthy plate and five a day bollocks the government is spouting.

But against this I can make from scratch a healthy chicken stir fry with green veg and a small portion of brown rice. Or I can go to KFC and get a fucking BUCKET of chicken with fries for 10 quid. A big mac fries and milk shake is about 60% of a person’s daily calorie intake with absolutely fuck all benefit macro wise. But as I have learned with my biggest sized clients you cannot push the issue. It has to come from them. Before every class I used to say what in your opinion is best diet strategy, weight watchers? Slimming world, low carb, high protein or the IIFYM. The answer is of course the best diet is the one you totally commit too. They will all help you lose weight, but what’s stopping you putting it back on? If you don’t understand what’s making you overweight you will not get out the cycle of yoyo weight loss and gain.

446133 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Spikedee1, #213 of 2015 🔗

The growth of things like myfitnesspal makes tracking food really easy.

For those unable to see it progressing from their plate to their mouth, presumably. 🙂

446048 ▶▶▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Freecumbria, 6, #214 of 2015 🔗

I agree with everything you say, the trouble is though that lots of people are emotional over eaters which is not linked to hunger. I have put weight on over this shit show, like many others. The reason mainly is depression, I have turned to drink and food to try and push down my feelings of despair and anger and unfortunately a piece of fruit doesn’t do the job like a slab of cake!. I am still half the size of lots of young women that I see but I feel really bad carrying this extra weight.

446334 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Annie, 1, #215 of 2015 🔗

Well at least we’ve got you Annie, even if Biker is banned.

445775 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #216 of 2015 🔗

Sadly the NHS prescribes carbohydrate heavy diets devoid of nutrients – most obese people will never lose weight on such diets as they are insulin resistant.

Doctors are not trained in nutrition, however they are very well trained to prescribe drugs that manage symptoms only.

445886 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #217 of 2015 🔗

Can we point them out in the street and humiliate them for taking up NHS resources? Shame them and talk about them being selfish?

445894 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mutineer, 1, #218 of 2015 🔗

No, that’s lifestyle shaming.

445967 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #219 of 2015 🔗

Rationing calories was always part of the Agenda 21/2030 plan.

446191 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #220 of 2015 🔗

If we are that bothered about longevity why no mention of the 2 strongest correlations.

1) People classed as overweight on BMI charts live longer than those classed as Normal weight and Obese ( Big f***** clue here)

2) People classed as over weight have more chance of surviving an encounter with OURNHS and/ or surviving surgery ( Its almost as if animals lay down fat reserves to carry them through lean times but Nah!)

445557 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #222 of 2015 🔗

Only flesh wounds.

445572 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #224 of 2015 🔗

Don’t worry the scientists said having side effects is a good thing.

445702 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #225 of 2015 🔗

This article is linked AtL, but it seems to me it is ‘gaslighting’. The adverse reactions are understated and dismissed. See this BMJ article (linked a few days ago) for a good overview:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n393/rr-4

445735 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #226 of 2015 🔗

But if death cures you of COVID it will be worth it!

446056 ▶▶ John, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #227 of 2015 🔗

I have a suspicion that the Pfizer/Moderna side effects are delayed whereas the AstraZeneca side effects are more immediate. I don’t have any scientific reasoning for this suspicion other than a gut feeling based on the different technologies used.
I also have a suspicion, possibly borne out by data, that the Pfizer/Moderna side effects are potentially more catastrophic.
Although my parents in law (late 80’s), daughter in law (39) and future daughter in law(30) have all had the Pfizer version without any issue. I’ve had the AstraZeneca version with little more than discomfort around the injection site which is probably traumatic in nature rather then vaccine related.

446202 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to John, 1, #228 of 2015 🔗

As seen on underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com:
“Attenuated virus’. So it’s another Oxford/AZ one (originally also advertised as a more traditional vaccine).

As usual, they omit one detail – when your cells produce the spike protein, your immune system doesn’t just make antibodies against it. It destroys the cell showing the protein. Cells showing virus protein are, to the immune system, infected. White cells don’t know about vaccines.
Prion genesis by the spike protein which can cross the blood brain barrier…that’s the next stage of the fun (in just a few years). The crossing of the blood brain barrier has been confirmed in autopsies (virus found everywhere in the body). The prion issue has recently been shown in pre-publication medical research. Before that it was shown in humanised mice. I gather that the spike binds on to the ACE2 receptor so strongly that proteins can be deformed. Deformed proteins => prions (which can reproduce in the brain, forming amyloid plaques/Parkinsons/Alzheimers etc)

The true fun being that all the vaccines seem to carry the spike protein (or the recipe to build them). Having the vaccine (any vaccine) is rolling the die just as having the virus is. So we’re re-running the BSE-CJD experiment on humans but this time with the spike protein adding the ability to cross the blood brain barrier. What a time to be alive. I guess that we’ll all know the result in 1-5 years when Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s rates go through the roof…or not (I hope).

Here’s the guy’s website
https://www.mccairndojo.com
He’s a medically retired brain researcher (used to do Tourette’s research by poking around in monkey brains). Ran a research lab. He’s not a nutter (as far as I can see. He’s not saying that everyone will get it).

445515 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #229 of 2015 🔗

Woke Gobbledegook
Yes it’s off lockdown topic so don’t read it Miss Panama contest will accept transgender women ‘who have completed all medical procedures’ this one is going to confuse leftist feminists.

445832 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #230 of 2015 🔗

Yup — still a man tho
sorry and all

445517 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #231 of 2015 🔗

Perhaps this is the reason CCP introduced an innocuous looking programme whose real aim is to cull the elderly (vaccine), letting it play out in the West to see what happens.

This screenshot (2020 census) shows that the productive generations of the Chinese are moving towards retirement. With an average income no higher than in Kazakhstan they will have little pension provision.

As a result of the one child policy, which after 35 years has become the cultural norm the younger generations will be unable to replace or support their elders

This is exacerbated by the cultural norm of preferring an only child to be a boy ( sorry ladies but that’s the way it is) which means 40 million young men will generally be none reproductive.

10 minute vid btw. The vaccine/cull link was mine not youtuber Polymatter

445538 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 2, #232 of 2015 🔗

I didn’t up vote you simply because that ideology is evil.

445540 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to karenovirus, 3, #233 of 2015 🔗

It’s going to backfire a bit if the vaccine renders the next generation infertile though isn’t it?

445568 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #234 of 2015 🔗

Not if they only vaccinate the over 60s.

445592 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to karenovirus, 6, #235 of 2015 🔗

Is the UK the only country trying to push (literally) the thing into children? I don’t know. Your theory makes sense if that is the case.

445561 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 2, #236 of 2015 🔗

Is the evil plan the vaccine, or the virus? Which also culls the elderly

445518 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #237 of 2015 🔗

You wondered why they didn’t use nightingale hospitals British nursing hopefuls are turned away as NHS recruits migrants, think-tank claims and why NHS capacity is effected by understaffing.
How long has this been going on by liberal left ideologues managing health care?

445521 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #238 of 2015 🔗

This happened to be the newest comment on one of the ATL Daily Mail links.

445522 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 17, #239 of 2015 🔗

Exactly, it’s not like they’ve never had seasonal respiratory disease epidemics before is it. And it’s not lack of money either, if they stopped nonmedical treatments, IVF, gender dysphoria, bloated admin blah blah blah.

445536 ▶▶▶ Karin505, replying to karenovirus, 20, #240 of 2015 🔗

Worked in NHS on a one-year contract. Found out that managers are believed to be so incompetent, the Trust hired outside managers to correct projects that had gone completely off the rails, for 1.5-2 x the earnings of NHS managers. The buildings were decrepit, the medical staff hardworking but nothing prepared me for the overall sensation of being part of a dying machine. That was ten years ago.

445523 Skippy, replying to Skippy, 2, #241 of 2015 🔗

Sunaks caricature is wrong, I was watching yesterday’s speech, he’s got proper Dumbos bolted on the sides of his noggin!

445722 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Skippy, 2, #242 of 2015 🔗

He looks suspiciously coiffed as well. Maybe his wife is a hairdresser?

445836 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to LS99, 2, #243 of 2015 🔗

Spending some of that furlough money she troughed

445524 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 36, #244 of 2015 🔗

Hallelujah the vulnerable are saved, the NHS can live, we can go out when ever where ever what ever Covid vaccines may stop spread ‘almost completely’ with jabs working ‘better than any of us could have imagined’ So then, no need for further lockdown, masks, passports or coercive & threatening behaviour to force poison on people that don’t want it!

445529 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 43, #245 of 2015 🔗

From the comments Daily Mail readers seem to have woken up to the fact that getting vaccinated is not going to lead them out of lockdown and that the extension of furlough to the end of September confirms this.

445566 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to karenovirus, 2, #246 of 2015 🔗

Excellent

445610 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 11, #247 of 2015 🔗

That was certainly my first reaction to the extension of furlough – ie “Damn – the b&ggers lied again. They’ve only just promised us release from prison at mid-summer and they’re already faffing around looking for excuses to extend that….”. Cue for Mega Variant no. 1,779 (presumably the North Pole variant)….

445658 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to karenovirus, 12, #248 of 2015 🔗

This is getting ever more close to resemble the Xhosa Cult story.
Instead of changing course when the forecasted apocalypse hasn’t happened, they are doubling down on their commitment to it and on the sacrifices.

446071 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 5, #249 of 2015 🔗

Yep K, and I wonder what percentage have NO IDEA what they have been injected with. They mostly think its like the flu jab, they think they have had a friendly bit of covid jabbed into them. And with regard to it stopping the spread??? Er how??? But if that’s really the nhs understanding surely you don’t need to jab anyone else?? Just politely turned down my jab. Might even manage to politely refuse the first phone call. After that…….

445621 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #250 of 2015 🔗

Apparently the reason for getting the vaccine is to protect everyone else. It is a wholely altruistic act.

Actually, if people start to suffer from ADE in the months ahead, that might be true.

446062 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #251 of 2015 🔗

is it the vaccine or is it just naturally waning ?

445527 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 34, #252 of 2015 🔗

I received an email from my child’s secondary school yesterday and it states that ‘in line with government guidance’ all students will be required to wear a mask at all times whilst inside the buildings.

Now it suggests that the virus poses ‘relatively low risks’ to children. The question is relative to what ? After all, last year the ONS figures for England and Wales showed 16 deaths with COVID in the age group 10-19, out of a population in this age group of around 7.2 million, that’s 1 death per 450,000 people. In my reckoning that’s not a ‘relatively low risk’ unless you compare it to everyday events like being struck dead by lightning, but a risk so close as to be indistinguishable from zero. And this included the height of the pandemic in March/ April 2020, so the risks this year are even lower.

It then goes on to state that it creates ‘significant risks’ for teachers. Well according to the (admittedly dated) figures from the Department for Education in 2010, there were 472,000 teachers in the country, of whom 101,500 (21.5%) were aged 50-29 and 13,900 (2.9%) over 60. Now, without wishing to get distracted by facts, there were 3,470 deaths with COVID in the 50-59 age group last year (in England and Wales), out of a total of 7.921 million people (1 death in 2,282). This compares to the total deaths in this age category of 35,614. For the over 60s, assuming the majority are 60-64, the death rate from COVID was around 1 in 1,000 compared to the chance of dying anyway from any cause of 1%. And for the under 50 teachers, of course, absolutely minimal risk.

This is before taking into account that excess deaths were about 60% of the headline COVID death figure, that last year included the height of the pandemic and deaths are now minimal compared to then, and before even taking into account that you are not looking at the overall risk to a teacher, but merely the incremental risks between a teacher doing their job or staying at home !

This is supposed to be a ‘calculated risk’. I see it as virtually no risk at all, and definitely not something that anyone has calculated.

More worrying still, could this happen every winter with flu and other winter deaths ? After all,  there were 51,000 excess deaths in the 4 months from December 2017 to March 2018 due to seasonal factors, compared to 54,600 for the whole of last year !

Doesn’t it make you proud that these people are educating our children, especially in mathematics !

445535 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Laurence, 19, #253 of 2015 🔗

Suggest you point out that that masks (and testing) are not government ‘requirements’ simply recommended.
As well as your interesting statistics.

445709 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Laurence, 7, #254 of 2015 🔗

Check out Lawyers for Liberty AtL.

445763 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Laurence, 4, #255 of 2015 🔗

PCR claims will write a letter to your child’s school re masks and tests without naming you, also educating the head of the school. https://pcrclaims.co.uk/masks-in-schools

446096 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Laurence, #256 of 2015 🔗

So wrong. According to government guidelines my ass! According to the fact you are a fucking bunch of scared idiots who know nothing about science or the risk to you. Do you drive in, do you know how many people die in car crashes every year. Are you aware how many people died of flu in the winter of 2019? As was discussed on a previous LS kids would beg their parents to let them wear a mask so they don’t stand out and get picked on. Fuck me, what have they done to our children!!

446479 ▶▶▶ Laurence, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #257 of 2015 🔗

If I read this correctly, you are basically agreeing with me, other than you use 2019 winter illnesses as an example and I have taken 2017/18.

The overriding point here is that there is no perspective in the government’s treatment of a disease that has killed roughly the same number of people as a bad winter.

The number who die in car crashes in the UK is around 1700-2000 per year (pretty good by international standards), but the comparator of being struck by lightning is more pertinent to children’s chances of dying with Covid – estimates are around 1 in a million to 3 in a million pa, which is around the same as a secondary school child’s chances of dying with COVID, and that was at the height of the pandemic.

I would say the government are taking us for fools, but I believe they themselves are products of the educational system that has created this overwhelming incompetence in maths and logic.

446111 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Laurence, 1, #258 of 2015 🔗

Doesn’t it make you proud that these people are educating our children, especially in mathematics !

The most important part of a child’s education takes place at home, of course. 🙂

(I’d be more worried about their logic and critical thinking skills than their maths. 🙂 ),

447516 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Laurence, #259 of 2015 🔗

FUCK teachers ! Every single teachers union leader needs to be put on trial and EXECUTED!

445528 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 8, #260 of 2015 🔗

Scumbag Dem mayor of Miami plans on Spring Break Covid crackdown:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/miami-beach-preps-spring-break-covid-crackdown

Everyone go party in Panama City instead!

445539 ▶▶ Karin505, replying to awildgoose, 8, #261 of 2015 🔗

Or go to the Texas coast, which is open!!!! Texas is free!

446099 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to awildgoose, 2, #262 of 2015 🔗

Just go down the road to orlando, I am sure they will accept your money.

446609 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 2, #263 of 2015 🔗

Should have been more clear – Panama City Beach is a lovely Spring Break hotspot in the Florida panhandle.

445531 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 82, #264 of 2015 🔗

Just another day in loony lockdown world yesterday.

– a friend goes down with serious mental illness.

– a colleague won’t travel to a perfectly legal business meeting.

– a person in their 20s is scared to mingle with other people if they aren’t wearing masks.

– people saying Covid came at the wrong time for their business rather than saying lockdown.

How can anyone support any of this? The damage to individuals and civic society is so obviously out of all proportion to the threat from the virus.

445615 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ed Phillips, 22, #265 of 2015 🔗

Oh dear. I know what you mean about getting annoyed about people using the word “covid” every time they should use the word “Lockdown” – and I darn well correct them every time…and always call Lockdown “Bloody Lockdown”.

446333 ▶▶ flyingjohn, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #266 of 2015 🔗

As I regularly say to lockdown zealots, the virus doesn’t make laws or imprison people, the government does.

445532 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 31, #267 of 2015 🔗

Don’t know if this has been posted before.

Headmaster: I refuse to make pupils wear masks in class – UnHerd

David Perks is the founder and headteacher at the East London Science School, built on the principle of offering a strong foundation in science and maths and encouraging critical thinking. When they come back on March 8th, he will not be following government guidance and requiring his pupils to wear facemasks in class. Thanks to David for sharing his experience — we’ll be watching to see what other schools choose to do.

445943 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #268 of 2015 🔗

David Perks is a hero.

445533 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 30, #269 of 2015 🔗

“Yes it was marvellous, the sun shone every day”

h/t Carl Vernon YouTube

445959 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to karenovirus, 2, #270 of 2015 🔗

On nudist beaches they sometimes refer to new recruits to naturism as “cottontails” – their exposed nether regions are not yet tanned…

445534 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 7, #271 of 2015 🔗

New levels of historic insanity in the overnight US repo markets exceed the mess seen in September 2019:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/historic-repo-market-insanity-10y-treasury-trades-4-ahead-monster-short-squeeze

445604 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to awildgoose, 5, #272 of 2015 🔗

Wonder how they are going to cover it up this time ?

Oh look another variant .

445765 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to awildgoose, 2, #273 of 2015 🔗

Thanks for sharing. It’s either inflation or implosion judging by that analysis. Bullish on candles tho

445541 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 36, #274 of 2015 🔗

I work as a gardener, but I’m looking for a career change. Ideally I would like to work in a team, where I can work from home and be on furlough.
I can bend the knee – although, at my age it’s getting harder – am diverse, socially aware, ecologically friendly and enjoy being tested and jabbed.
If required, I am willing to change my pronoun and gender.
Any suggestions?

445542 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to PatrickF, 7, #275 of 2015 🔗

Are you trans though?

445559 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PatrickF, 4, #276 of 2015 🔗

Serf

445577 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 13, #277 of 2015 🔗

Try the BBC

445579 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 6, #278 of 2015 🔗

You’ll need to be a gay black trans refugee to apply.

445585 ▶▶ danny, replying to PatrickF, 28, #279 of 2015 🔗

Dear Patrick. Can you PLEASE stop using the personal pronoun of “I”. Your post is full of “I willing do this” and “I would like that”.
Stop name shaming those that identify not as singular but as a collective.
The correct form should be “we/they/us would like a new job and we/they/us are willing to take the knee”.
Seriously. Where have you been?

445715 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to danny, 1, #280 of 2015 🔗

I/me/we/us/them/it disagree (or should it be ‘disagrees’?)

445712 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to PatrickF, 6, #281 of 2015 🔗

Become an MP?

445839 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PatrickF, 4, #282 of 2015 🔗

Nothing for you whitey

445968 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to PatrickF, 5, #283 of 2015 🔗

Why not apply to be the Prince of Wales? You sound ideally-qualified.

445544 Anti_socialist, 3, #284 of 2015 🔗

Who Killed Grandma? | Nursing Home Deaths – The Very Opinionated Kate Wand Show

A film based on the research and essay by Jordan Schachtel, “Anatomy of the Nursing Home Death Warrants”.

445549 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 56, #285 of 2015 🔗

We are told that we may get some limited freedoms back provided we take part in medical experiments

What a disgusting excuse for a human being the Pig Dictator is

445575 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Cecil B, 3, #286 of 2015 🔗

Throughout the day no time for memorandums now. Go ahead! Liberty and independence forever. Davy Crockett
With this virus hoo-haa we have sold our freedoms for a mess of pottage (in a needle!)
You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas(in my mind at least).

446151 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Cecil B, #287 of 2015 🔗

What? That’s bribery.

445552 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #288 of 2015 🔗

The Vaccine Trials – Promo – The Mirror Project

To watch the full documentary film please go to https://www.mp-22.com ​ Featuring Robert F Kennedy Jr, and Prof Dolores Cahill.

446109 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #289 of 2015 🔗

Thank you for that. It is quite chilling to think that research into MRHA technologies has been going on for forty years but has never got to the stage of human trials until now. It boggles the mind!

445571 Boris Buffoon, replying to Boris Buffoon, 20, #290 of 2015 🔗

I wonder how the lockdown zealots are feeling today. Perhaps it is dawning that they have a big price to pay and perhaps it isn’t worth it.

Let’sbe positive. We may see some shit for brains professors’ funding reduced. Perhaps also a night of the long scalples in the management ranks of the useless NHS and PHE.

445601 ▶▶ Bill Grates, replying to Boris Buffoon, 3, #291 of 2015 🔗

We can still dream…..can’t we ?

445625 ▶▶ alw, replying to Boris Buffoon, 16, #292 of 2015 🔗

Seen elsewhere, also many similar comments.

Another appalling edition of DT and focussed on just one issue the Budget. What did people expect when they bought into the propaganda and allowed the government to continue locking them away for over a year for a virus which 99.5% of the population survive? It is always a taxpayer pays the final bill. They deserve everything they are getting. Any chance that they wake up to the devastation that has been wreaked on our people and country!”

445633 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Buffoon, 19, #293 of 2015 🔗

I know how one local one is feeling. He’s cowering at the back of his hardware store, not letting customers examine the goods (which he laboriously brings to the doorway for their inspection), taking the money into a tray thrust out from behind a plastic screen. and expecting death any moment. Pity the poor creature can’t be put put of its misery.

445640 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 4, #294 of 2015 🔗

At this rate I’m now praying for an asteriod or the arrival of our new Martian overlords.

445756 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #295 of 2015 🔗

Unfortunately our Martian overlords have all succumbed to SARS-CoV-2 as it was present on Perseverance, which refused to self isolate in the accommodation provided by the Mysterons and the Rock Snakes as it was deemed unsuitable.

445797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John, #296 of 2015 🔗

Hahahaha!!!

446012 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, 3, #297 of 2015 🔗

Go in there with a ridiculously detailed list of very small bolts, screws, fuses, tape, a carpenters pencil sharpener, spirit level bubbles, a staple extractor, a left handed screw driver, a glass hammer, and tartan paint.

Hopefully you can have him toddling about in his shop for hours.

446019 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Two-Six, 1, #298 of 2015 🔗

Not forgetting the fork handles/four candles

446321 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Two-Six, 1, #299 of 2015 🔗

Don’t forget the striped paint, rubber tin tacks and sky hooks

445574 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 12, #300 of 2015 🔗

Prof Robert Dingwall: Risk-averse politicians ignoring ‘societal pandemic’ | SpectatorTV

Professor Robert Dingwall, of Nottingham Trent University, tells Andrew Neil that Covid restrictions should be lifted once the top nine most vulnerable groups are vaccinated in mid-April. Professor Dingwall, who sits on the government’s New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group, argues that models predicting up to 55,000 more coronavirus deaths over the summer if the rules do not remain in place are exaggerated. Taken from The Week in 60 Minutes #24.

445595 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #301 of 2015 🔗

why wait so long?

445581 danny, replying to danny, 32, #302 of 2015 🔗

Love the leftockdown article as it perfectly sums up my own rage at the so called left that I would ordinarily consider myself represented by. I will never vote Labour again, and this article says it all.

445644 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to danny, 36, #303 of 2015 🔗

I think this past year has been a lesson for those on both sides of the traditional political divide that their parties don’t give a shit about them or their values after all, and that both are fully signed up to their master in the shadows – the same master – red, blue, conservative, labour, left, right, that’s all just theatre

445861 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to JaneHarry, 6, #304 of 2015 🔗

Proper conservatives have known this for decades. It seems the penny has suddenly dropped for many if not most on the traditional, largely sensible left.

445694 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to danny, 3, #305 of 2015 🔗

Me too, but Labour is no longer left. I am, and have, left!

445843 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, 3, #306 of 2015 🔗

They are all wokesters – they do not represent the working class

446522 ▶▶ Boris Buffoon, replying to danny, 1, #307 of 2015 🔗

I think of myself as a swinging voter. I voted for Tony Blair and Boris Johnson. With that record I’m not sure I should be allowed to vote.

447016 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Boris Buffoon, #308 of 2015 🔗

Attilla?

445584 Bill Grates, replying to Bill Grates, 18, #309 of 2015 🔗

At Last ! , a decent analysis article on LS. Typical that the mealy mouth tories and commentariat pussyfoot around the issues for a year and leave it to a man from the left to stick the boot in . Well said Phil Shannon , could have gone further but a good hand grenade into the smug ranks of covid fanatics..

Here’s a good video from a very impressive WHO whistle blower speaking with our favourite German lawyer.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zbFPKPueHlE0/

445660 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Bill Grates, 1, #310 of 2015 🔗

Good one! Thanks.

445591 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 18, #311 of 2015 🔗

I’m translating instructions for covid home testing kits for schoolchildren. (Because some working days are more bloody annoying than others.) I can’t quote from any of it or, obviously, they’ll have to kill me, but it’s laughable. Considering that most people aren’t capable of so much as brushing their teeth properly, the chances of people doing it wrong are 100% – and it warns that, if it’s not done correctly, there will either be a false positive, a false negative or an invalid test result.

445596 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 9, #312 of 2015 🔗

Something else occurred to me yesterday. I’m a designated first aider at school. Are we going to end up with a sick bay full of kids who’ve shoved the stick too far up their noses (for a laugh, knowing some of them) and are bleeding all over the place?

445738 ▶▶▶ John, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #313 of 2015 🔗

Yes, along with children’s A&E and walk in centres.

445594 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 44, #314 of 2015 🔗

Hopefully I will donate my 90th pint (500 millilitres) now, I believe, of blood tomorrow.
I have received a number of texts advising me to follow, blah,blah, etc,etc but the one I received yesterday took the “socially distanced” biscuit by telling me to wash my hands before coming to the blood donor session.
I have asked my mum to make sure and blow my nose, clean my shoes and put a clean hankie in my pocket, well I would have done if she hadn’t died in 2009 aged 88.
HELLO, I’M 72 NOT 7 AND I WAS GIVING BLOOD BEFORE MOST OF YOU PATRONISING COLLABORATING SHEEP WERE EVEN BORN!

445938 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #315 of 2015 🔗

Clean undies too, Phil. Because you never know … 🙂

445607 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 25, #317 of 2015 🔗

Let’s Dump the Queen and the Rest of the Royal Family – Vernon Coleman

445741 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #318 of 2015 🔗

Great video Dr Coleman

445609 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 49, #319 of 2015 🔗

It’s happening:

The North Dakota House of Representatives passed a bill on Monday that would make future mask mandates illegal.’

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/539993-north-dakota-house-passes-bill-forbidding-mandatory-mask-wearing

‘It took long enough, but it’s now official: Governors who continue to impose lockdowns and mask mandates are fast becoming as popular as Red Sox fans in the Yankee Stadium bleachers, at least in half of the country. The internal polling is out, and the draconian restrictions are being abandoned in droves. History will not be kind to the remaining high-handed holdouts.’

https://www.aier.org/article/16-states-are-now-following-the-science/

This will snowball as the rest desperately chase the polls, people emigrating in droves from California already:

‘In the last few years, the exodus has accelerated, with tens of thousands more people leaving than moving in.

‘The COVID-19 pandemic has prompted even more people to give up on the state’

LA Times 12 Jan 2021

Then the lawsuits will follow……

‘The largest category of lawsuits related to COVID-19 are those brought by restaurants, bars and other businesses against their insurance firms after state and local governments forced them to shut down…nearly 6,900 lawsuits in 2020 relating to the pandemic, and insurance disputes made up the largest group, with nearly 1,400 lawsuits.’

LAW.COM 29 Dec 2020

And remember, what happens in the U.S. never stays in the U.S……..

445629 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #320 of 2015 🔗

Can America really be the Land of the Free after all?

445675 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 14, #321 of 2015 🔗

Better if they could go for the individuals who imposed lockdown, bankrupting the insurance companies won’t do anybody any good.

445611 Bill Hickling, 14, #322 of 2015 🔗

Phil Shannon above has written the best summary of the Covid terror I have seen!

445614 ttenl, 3, #323 of 2015 🔗

Which challenges hasn’t the left flunked. Especially the ones it’s tried to create.

445617 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #324 of 2015 🔗

Playing post nocturne scrabble with the OH

Does anyone know if ‘genotherapyocide’ is a word?

445647 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Cecil B, 2, #325 of 2015 🔗

It will be soon.

446032 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 2, #326 of 2015 🔗

I think jabsterminate is a word.

445620 FerdIII, 7, #327 of 2015 🔗

Thanks for posting links ATL to the entrepreneurs who lost their jobs and started their own business. I will look and order from 2 of them. I doubt LD fanatics would do the same.

445622 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 9, #328 of 2015 🔗

Given that this is LDS, of course a pro-experimental drug link from the Daily Shill ATL. More magical and wonderful than expected the government and Fake News gush. No data provided to support the propaganda.

Question: by 3rd week Jan 2021 95% of all over 75s were jabbed. Since then 14 K have died, average age 82. Why? If the drugs work who then died? Did they die from the drugs, old age (wrongly attributed to Rona), or something else?

So now the bullshit will be since we enter the spring, that the magic drugs which have killed at least 400 and injured 100K, now stop transmission. These claims will become more hysterical as spring wears on, and the flu deaths drop…..as they always do.

This will be their way of forcing the sheeple to inject the drugs. ‘See it works, stops all transmission and death’…..until Sept 2021 comes and ‘new variants’ appear to scare everyone. Than another set of jabs will be needed…..

Where is the proof that the drugs do anything positive?

445646 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to FerdIII, 8, #329 of 2015 🔗

Yep.
I was looking for substance in that Standard article too, but there was none.
Absolutely zero.
LDS was founded by one of those typical ‘we’re special’ English Brexiters, and many if not most of its readership ticks that way, as does this government and its voters, of course.
So for them, whether the ‘vaccines’ are vaccines, are the right strategy at all or kill is now irrelevant, as long as a pseudo-patriotic horse can be ridden.
In particular, when this horse is ‘leading the race’ and when that race, let alone a win, can deflect from the many disasters and shows of ineptitude that this government and nation inflicted upon itself with its Covid policies and their (non) execution, on an absolute and relative (international comps) basis.

445777 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to FerdIII, 1, #330 of 2015 🔗

Agree.

If the experimental vaccines were effective at even stopping deaths being labelled as covid, then you would have expected the number of covid labelled deaths to have fallen much much more, given covid labelled deaths have fallen dramatically in age groups where few vaccinations have taken place. There simply aren’t enough unvaccinated people for the covid labelled deaths to be at current levels.

And even if you are removing the label in a few cases by vaccination, if say 90% of covid deaths are people dying of other things with a co-incidental covid positive PCR test, you are just changing the label and not the death.

That’s why there is no sign in the all cause mortality figures by age group of any positive vaccination effect.

445803 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #331 of 2015 🔗

As a thought experiment imagine everyone was injected with a bit of live virus rather than the experimental vaccine but nobody knew about it and thought it was a vaccine.

What you would see is some of the vaccinated die, the same people who would have died from covid. And everyone else becomes immune.

However after a number of months would it be reasonable to say the vaccine has worked as nobody is dying with or from covid any longer.

How far is that from what is actually happening?

445626 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 12, #332 of 2015 🔗

I have a few questions, which I cannot find an answer (based on actual data rather than intuition or emotion) to.

Bear with me as these are questions anyone should ask whether they approve of these vaccines or not.

– why would you vaccinate a person who has recovered from Covid?
– what is the cut-off age below which the cost/benefit of vaccination does not stack up?

445674 ▶▶ John, replying to MFvH, 8, #333 of 2015 🔗

I’ll try and answer your questions.
I don’t think there’s a need to vaccinate anyone who has had the disease (infection plus symptoms) as their immune system is primed with T cell memory.
In theory anyone who has been infected without symptoms shouldn’t require the vaccine as the lack of symptoms means that their innate immune system has handled the infection and there will be some T cell memory; the issue here is proving asymptomatic infection.
There’s a fixation with antibodies, when in fact they are the last line of defence. Bear in mind that a lot of the functionality of the immune system is relatively recent discovery.

Your second question needs careful thought because there could be a case that cost/benefit also has an age above which it doesn’t stack up. This may sound like euthanasia based on age, but the NHS do it all of the time.

445691 ▶▶▶ MFvH, replying to John, 7, #334 of 2015 🔗

Thanks!
So don’t vaccinate people who have had Covid based on current knowledge of our immune system.
Second question not answered yet. I agree with your ‘upper age’ comment as you could potentially tip an elderly, frail person over the edge with a vaccination even if they have a relatively mild reaction to the vaccine.

Why are medics not asking these questions?
First principle of medicine is ‘do no harm’.

Or are they worried that increased transparency reduces vaccine uptake?

445731 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to MFvH, 2, #335 of 2015 🔗

Bear in mind this is all based on my understanding of what is after all a very complex system. Fortunately, Imperial College haven’t modelled the immune system (yet). You may find the following books useful, both by Daniel M Davis, Professor of Immunology at Manchester University, “ The compatibility Gene” and “The beautiful cure: the new science of human health”. They’re a relatively easy read but I found I was having to go back and forth to clarify things.

445746 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John, 2, #336 of 2015 🔗

The antibodies will only be detectable a few weeks after infection. This is why they are saying so called immunity via vaccination takes a few weeks also.

Your T Cell response will provide the first line of defence to anything novel, such as SARS-CoV-2 to an extent, in any natural course of infection.

In this sense then, for anyone not infected before, would it be the case that this natural process is short circuited? Especially with mRNA? If the T Cell phase is not activated and it becomes just about anti bodies, what is being lost? Surely that’s important. I don’t know the answer which is why I ask.

445639 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #337 of 2015 🔗

This is weird, a few moments ago there appeared to be a post from ‘Biker’ complaining about censorship on this site, i ticked the post and was about to comment when the post disappeared!
For a site that espouses Freedom of Speech as well as lockdown scepticism this is very worrying and needs an explanation. If the operators of this site feel that they are obliged to do some editing then they should at least be open and up front about it.
Biker has his own unique style but for me that is the whole point of this site, to bring together the full range of views, talents and styles on this virus nonsense and do what we can to support each other and oppose the lockdown.
Does anyone know what is going on?
Biker I hope you are still with us?

445643 ▶▶ mj, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #338 of 2015 🔗

Biker was suggesting yesterday that some of his posts had disappeared

445666 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mj, 5, #339 of 2015 🔗

all gone everything i post is being taken down

445686 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 2, #340 of 2015 🔗

So have my two replies, if you delete your own lead post any replies are usually left hanging in the air.

445736 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to mj, 1, #341 of 2015 🔗

A whole thread which he started was taken down yesterday.

445653 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Martindale, -15, #342 of 2015 🔗

He wrote a poem yesterday to someone here, it was borderline offensive. Free speech means anything lawful goes. Biker should use some energy apologizing for his conduct not whinging, but you’re right admin need to justify the censorship of late! The owner an advocate of free speech needs to address this. Silent censorship isn’t acceptable & just makes Toby Young look like a hypocrite.

445668 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #343 of 2015 🔗

what was offensive and who makes you the decider of what’s offence?

445680 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, -5, #344 of 2015 🔗

LOL offence is in the eye of the receiver. I never said I was offended.

445740 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Biker, 2, #345 of 2015 🔗

I certainly wasn’t offended- and even if I were, didn’t Toby found something called the Free Speech Union? Or does “FSU” stand for something else?

445833 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Biker, 2, #346 of 2015 🔗

Which post are we talking about? Yesterday I read a post by you, Biker, which took the form of a rap poem about Annie. I thought it was fantastically amusing and actually – forgive me – very charming. I pondered over how to express this unambiguously (I did not want you to think that I was mocking you) before being overtaken by tasks at work.
Is this the post from yesterday that has been taken down?

446586 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Alethea, #347 of 2015 🔗

they’re all gone, every post

445681 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Anti_socialist, -5, #348 of 2015 🔗

I marked this down for “borderline offensive” – then back up again for “censorship isn’t acceptable”, then back down again for “ silent censorship” (because no censorship is acceptable), then back up again for “just makes Toby Young look like a hypocrite”. Net zero.

445805 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, -1, #349 of 2015 🔗

I think three people haven’t understood what I wrote, which is probably understandable since it was a bit garbled. (1) I don’t think anyone should be banned for being “borderline offensive”. (2) I agree that “censorship isn’t acceptable.” (3) I disagree that only “silent censorship isn’t acceptable.” (4) I agree that the appearance of things here does make Toby Young look like a hypocrite, which is unfortunate, because I’m sure he’s not.

If you still wish to mark me down, go nuts.

445817 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Friedrich Stapß, -7, #350 of 2015 🔗

I think this site is full of cowards & arseholes, all I get is negativity for trying to help fuck em, probably admin abusing their power, its funny how a tiny bit of power goes to peoples heads. And if it’s the appreciation I get for trying to help fuck biker too.

446332 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #351 of 2015 🔗

Suddenly I’m developing a surprising new interest in socialism.

446283 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #352 of 2015 🔗

As I recall the person mentioned in the poem replied and was not offended at all.

445670 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #353 of 2015 🔗

they’ve removed all my posts and it seems i’m likely banned without being told

445683 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #354 of 2015 🔗

This is definitely worrying and extremely odd. I didn’t see what this is supposed to be about, but Biker is Biker (and good for him) and has been for a long time now.

445695 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #355 of 2015 🔗

yeah, since the first few days of this site i’ve posted

445799 ▶▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to Biker, 11, #356 of 2015 🔗

Biker, your posts are (almost) always near the knuckle, but only because you sprinkle them with swear words and have a disdain for the lily-livered cowards who are the reason we are in this shit. I for one have no problem with your posts and am happy to defend you to the hilt.

445641 mj, 11, #357 of 2015 🔗

I note that ATL reference is made (and links are provided) to the email that Lawyers for Liberty will send on behalf of concerned parents to schools who wish to impose mask wearing on children.
Would it not be worth having a slightly reworded email that can be sent to every school outlining the dangers and potential for liability etc regardless of whether they actually have imposed masks and issuing this out as a warning as part of a one off exercise

445642 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #358 of 2015 🔗

Fired off an email to my MP today, some of you won’t approve of the tone, I don’t care!
It’s not like he’ll reply & i’m not expecting a result.

445649 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #359 of 2015 🔗

Pithy 🙂

My Con MP is useless. She is a drug-fanatic, supports the LDs and if Doris told her to eat dog shit she would be on all fours with bread in hand.

445654 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #360 of 2015 🔗

Well, he can’t say he didn’t understand what you meant.

445648 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 10, #361 of 2015 🔗

Experimental drugs. Assumption is one and done. Absolutely stupid assumption. They will start with a jab every 6 months….than increase it to every 3 months. Logistically, this will create cost and complexity in updating your papieren. And the Sheeple can’t name the ingredients, neither can most ‘doctors’.

https://principia-scientific.com/uk-health-minister-suggests-covid-vaccines-every-6-months/

Wancock.

Matt Hancock has people may need to be revaccinated every six months in order to contain the spread of the coronavirus .

The warning came as he insisted – despite the government’s catalogue of errors – that this will be the last national lockdown.

Mr Hancock said:

I anticipate we will probably need to revaccinate because we don’t know the longevity of the protection from these vaccines. We don’t know how frequently it will be, but it might need to be every six months, it might need to be every year”

445800 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to FerdIII, 4, #362 of 2015 🔗

If, as we suspect, there are problems with the vaccine then this will become apparent very quickly as 2nd, 3rd, 4th doses are rolled out. It might mean that this is all over much more quickly than if everyone is simply jabbed once, job done.

445873 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Puddleglum, #363 of 2015 🔗

Johnson could have had all 18+ cohorts jabbed once just in time for the entirely predictable late winter disappearance of Covid (ie right now) and be claiming personal victory and fully opening up within a couple of weeks.
Mind you he could have done that three or four weeks into lockdown 1.

447139 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to FerdIII, #364 of 2015 🔗

Yes, that’s what the vet said about my dog, only every year. When I asked the reason she said “well, we don’t know how long it lasts”. Since we don’t vaccinate chidren every year after the first one that was good enough for me. I haven’t been back since.

445650 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #365 of 2015 🔗

I’ve a question that is several degrees “off piste” though a little related to this site as it now has a “COVID 1984” section.

I’ve recently been reading a pamphlet entitled “ A leaf from the future history of England, on the subject of reform in Parliament” by Viscount Mahon (Phil Stanhope to thee and me) published in1831.

Old Phil imagines the future a hundred years hence. The work is only twelve pages and can be viewed online using googlebooks.

Anyone know of an earlier publication that imagines the political future?

(Works akin to science fiction are excluded.)

445651 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #366 of 2015 🔗

The Caliphate he means with Emir Ahmed running the country?

445652 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 22, #367 of 2015 🔗

That article from Phil Shannon was a great read and so spot on. It encapsulates neatly what I’ve been thinking all along.

You know that something has gone really wrong when the biggest cheerleaders of this whole shit show are the Guardian reading, BBC watching, Labour voting “progressive” and “caring” people who live in places like Hampstead or Chiswick. Or those who have a hatred of the Conservatives and Johnson that’s verging on the pathological and deranged.

The latter I thought would have been fighting all this given their pathological hatred of Johnson and the Tories. Yet they aren’t.

Discuss.

445719 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #368 of 2015 🔗

They are fighting it however. Just not in the way we’d hope. They have wanted earlier, stronger and longer lockdowns throughout. They would have saved more people with such an approach of course.

They don’t actually care though. They just find a political appeal in spouting it with no skin in the game. No acknowledgement that Covid was likely in Europe before Nov 2019, that has very suspicious origins, that the response is part of a wider agenda, that our freedoms are being dismantled as part of that agenda etc.

They just shout Johnson killed people. Which he did, but by pushing vaccines and dismissing prophylactic treatments such as Ivermectin, Vitamin D and HCQ.

Lockdowns had nothing to do with it.

445724 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #369 of 2015 🔗

Labour MP Ben Bradshaw who was a ‘sooner harder longer’ cheerleader has recently started demanding restrictions be lifted in his area as cases and hospitalizations plummet and very few are sadlidying.

445769 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 3, #370 of 2015 🔗

He a summer weather sceptic is he? See a lot of that about. Come Autumn hell be back under his bed. They are the worst kind. Worse that the branch covidians actually because they just go with the tide.

446182 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, 1, #371 of 2015 🔗

Perhaps he’s remembered he’s an MP for a (genuinely) University city. Universities are supposed to be/always used to be about teaching people to analyse for themselves etc etc. So Ben – remember Exeter (genuine) University had 20,000 students the last time I looked….

445773 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #372 of 2015 🔗

Agree. Keir Starmer wanted us to copy Spain and Belgium forgetting that with their strict lockdowns and masking they’re in worse shape than we are.

445655 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 32, #373 of 2015 🔗

ATL – if you jog you are spreading a disease you don’t have. I run. Trust me if you are sick and have CV 19 you are not phucking jogging. You are flat on your back in pain.

There is no science, no chance to you spreading something you don’t have. The Propaganda from ‘doctors’ et al is astonishing in its stupidity.

445711 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 16, #374 of 2015 🔗

It angers me greatly. The piece on Good Morning Britain with Trish Greenhaugh was horrendous. They way they were talking about runners, the risk of being outside and people in general was like listening to a germaphobe support group. Everything was unclean and should be avoided.

They take and take and take. At what point is it their responsibility to stay home and avoid us rather than everyone having to accommodate their fear

445781 ▶▶▶ vargas99, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #375 of 2015 🔗

And they don’t realise the irony of them being on an indoor tv set within a few feet of each other and … UNMASKED!

445921 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #376 of 2015 🔗

The piece on Good Morning Britain with Trish Greenhaugh …

Am I the only one who thinks of Dolores Umbridge ?

446251 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #377 of 2015 🔗

Television always has been absolute dirge for the masses and has been a control system since God knows when.

445716 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to FerdIII, 5, #378 of 2015 🔗

True

Never run with a mask, the damage to your brain due to a lack of oxygen will be huge. Rather sit on the sofa

446247 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to FerdIII, 1, #379 of 2015 🔗

Correct ref. Dr Mike Yeadon ex Chief scientist at Pfizer. He should know.

445656 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 22, #380 of 2015 🔗

The lawyers for liberty link to have them send out an email to the schools looks great, I’ll complete this properly in a bit for both my kids schools, even though one is a primary school and not introducing testing or masks (yet!).

As well as this I have also lodged a complaint myself with the secondary school. We haven’t consented for our child to be tested, although on the plus side from all the correspondence from the school they are not in any way trying to make it appear to be mandatory. Reading their latest letter to all parents on the mask situation, it seems to me to be worded in such a way that they are going to limit the use of them as much as possible rather than state it’s definitely happening in all areas of the school. Interested to know if other parents on here have had similar letters? Is this their way of saying they aren’t going to make much of an effort to enforce it?

My wife works in a school, and now has to do lateral flow tests at home and report her result before being allowed in for the day. I suggested pouring neat vodka on it! Although could that in theory still generate a false positive? As others have pointed out, the masks and used tests going into bins etc just generates a load of unnecessary waste, people like David Attenborough etc have been notably silent about this.

I would also say my wife was 100% coerced into taking the vaccine by the school, the last few to have it (her included) were openly shamed in front of other staff on email and meetings, absolutely disgusting. In fact as she knew how I felt about them she didn’t tell me she had given in and agreed to have it until the evening before. I am not anti-vax, just anti experimental medicine untested and still in trials!

445657 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Rabbit, 19, #381 of 2015 🔗

Surely the tests are voluntary for her too? Not just the pupils.
I’d be taking legal action about the vaccine too, the information is private and nobody else in the school should know her vaccination status either way.

445659 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to disgruntled246, 10, #382 of 2015 🔗

Totally agree. That’s utterly wicked.

445667 ▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to disgruntled246, 5, #383 of 2015 🔗

Not sure about that regarding the tests, I will ask her. Unfortunately she tends to sit on the fence and is quite swayed by social media / peer pressure. Which from what she showed me that staff at all levels were proudly confirming they had had it on Facebook. Totally agree, why should anyone know if you have had it or not, this should be confidential.

445750 ▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Rabbit, 3, #384 of 2015 🔗

In my sons school it’s voluntary to be tested unless, like him, you are tasked with processing the tests of others. He was working with one other person until this week, testing key workers kids and staff. Now there are 9 of them needed to try and test all kids 3 times in the next 2 weeks.

445927 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TreeHugger, 1, #385 of 2015 🔗

what has any of this got to do with education? this is not what most teachers signed up for, nor is it what most parents send their children to school for. time to vote with the feet.

445685 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Rabbit, 14, #386 of 2015 🔗

My son works in a large secondary school, not once has the notion of him having the vax been mentioned. He would refuse if it was, he’s 23 fit and healthy and being a biochemist is very wary of taking drugs which are still in trials. Your wife should never have been ‘outed’ in that manner by her employer. I’d take that up with a legal representative if I were her.

446177 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TreeHugger, 3, #387 of 2015 🔗

Yep….I wonder if the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 would have any bearing on this?

445916 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Rabbit, 8, #388 of 2015 🔗

I would also say my wife was 100% coerced into taking the vaccine by the school, the last few to have it (her included) were openly shamed in front of other staff on email and meetings, absolutely disgusting.

Formal grievance. Harassment. Fuck ’em.

445966 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JohnB, 4, #389 of 2015 🔗

Would that not be a breach of GDPR? Whilst the UK has left the EU, all EU legislation became retained legislation and is valid unless repealed.

446628 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #390 of 2015 🔗

Sounds as though they’ve breached several things, including GDPR.

445919 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Rabbit, 2, #391 of 2015 🔗

yeh, anti-Mengele rather than anti-vax, anti- coercing unwitting subjects to take part in medical experimentation

446787 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Rabbit, 1, #392 of 2015 🔗

I have told my wife that she can have it or not, the choice is hers… but if there is any pressure on her or there are any adverse effects, then I will come to the surgery.

There will be consequences.

446799 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 1, #393 of 2015 🔗

P.S. I think I have managed to convince her not to, but she is very strong-willed, so any pressure from me would be counter-productive.

She knows I won’t have it otherwise than being dragged kicking and screaming.

445662 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 25, #394 of 2015 🔗

Oh my. Tanzania refuses to join the New World-Drug-Surveillance Order. Will Biden be invading soon supported by the UN-WHO? Surely he needs to start a real war soon and not just murder Syrians from the air?

“Health Minister Dorothy Gwajima doubled down on President Magufuli’s opposition to the COVID-19 injections , saying the country would follow its own protocols when testing and administering medicines.”

445665 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to FerdIII, 14, #395 of 2015 🔗

Beautiful country too. I’d move there. Zanzibar… Mount Kilimanjaro… Usambara and Mount Meru, the Great Lakes. Put me in a place like that and I’d be reasonably happy never to travel abroad again. (And yes, I know, Thailand is also very nice. But it doesn’t have President Magufuli!)

445687 ▶▶ iane, replying to FerdIII, 3, #396 of 2015 🔗

Invading Tanzania – no, no: he has a much closer target now in Neanderthal Texas!

445664 Biker, replying to Biker, 31, #397 of 2015 🔗

It was nice knowing you all but it seems every post i make is to be removed. I know when i’m not wanted so i guess that’s it..

445673 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, 65, #398 of 2015 🔗

I suggest in solidarity & a request for admin to offer an explanation instead of acting like an unaccountable omnipotent tyrant we use bikers post.

thumbs up an admin response thumbs down we don’t care

445678 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #399 of 2015 🔗

it’s not a popularity contest. I never say anything illegal or am i threatening or offensive like you said i’d been. it’s just a laugh sometimes, serious others, against the lockdown always

445689 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Biker, 12, #400 of 2015 🔗

Your style is different to my style but it does not offend me, what offends me is when, away from this site, lockdown zealots call me a murderer for declining the covid potions or a ‘Granny Killer’ for opposing lockdowns.

445701 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, -17, #401 of 2015 🔗

I was just trying to get you some closure! I wont help anymore.

445704 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #402 of 2015 🔗

don’t tell me i’ve offended you now, lol. Bro it don’t matter really. Thanks for your support though

445708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, 3, #403 of 2015 🔗

NO 🙂

446260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Biker, #404 of 2015 🔗

Don’t give in. You are what you are.

445764 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, #405 of 2015 🔗

WTF are you down voting me for I was trying to help?

446257 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Biker, #406 of 2015 🔗

Keep going.

445703 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #407 of 2015 🔗

If admin cancel Bikers lead post here every response will disappear too including this one and yours

445707 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, #408 of 2015 🔗

I was aware & hoping a reason they wouldn’t delete him. Psychology 😉

446261 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to karenovirus, #409 of 2015 🔗

Yes, I found it very refreshing.

445767 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #410 of 2015 🔗

I actually meant use the thumbs on bikers post.

445844 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #411 of 2015 🔗

Agreed. Probably I ticked to obey certain posting rules when I joined this site, although I’ve no idea now what those rules are. A restatement of posting guidelines might be helpful.

I understand that Biker has had some very colourful posts removed, which I can’t comment on because I haven’t seen them. Perhaps they were beyond the pale and should have been taken down. I don’t know. But he’s also had some entirely innocuous posts removed, which doesn’t sit well with me.

This isn’t to say that I believe anyone should be able to post anything here – clearly there are limits. There is no such thing as absolute free speech, at least on a site like this.

Toby is aware of the Streisand Effect, as he’s mentioned it previously on here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

445682 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Biker, 9, #412 of 2015 🔗

Have you actually had any communications from the site operators about this? I was about to comment on your earlier post when it disappeared with no explanation.
One would have thought that a site that espouses free speech would at least be open and ‘up-front’ about any editing it felt obliged to undertake?

445688 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Martindale, 27, #413 of 2015 🔗

nope, it seems there are some now people working on the site, lefties i think and in the interest of diversity and inclusion i’ve to be silenced. They don’t like humour and the humour they do like must be approved, checked and made sure it’s acceptable. I don’t know. Free speech aint to be found on a site owned by a man who runs the free speech union. you couldn’t make it up

446271 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Biker, -1, #414 of 2015 🔗

Maybe just tone it down a wee bit just to pacify them (them?)but don’t give in.

445742 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Biker, 5, #415 of 2015 🔗

Oh no, it will be shit if you leave. What happened to having a sense of humour ffs. Strangely I’ve noticed a few posts disappearing from others lately too.

445745 ▶▶ rose, replying to Biker, 4, #416 of 2015 🔗

Don’t go. I loved your last night’s poetry.

445828 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Biker, 6, #417 of 2015 🔗

Don’t go mate – that’s what they want – all of us to fuck off into silence – they win

I doubt its this site that’s the problem, I suspect they are under pressure from officialdom who wont med much of an excuse to shut it down.

Please keep posting your excellent stuff, and when they take it down, don’t take it personal – just post more – you are appreciated!

fuck em!

445838 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #418 of 2015 🔗

and if anyone is offended by any stuff, well that’s a personal choice and you have the ability not to read posts from those that you chose to be offended by – that red flag bullshit shit should initiate an electric shock when hit – so you can chose if your pathetic ‘taking offence’ is worth actual pain

445831 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Biker, 2, #419 of 2015 🔗

I guess I did take exception months back when you called me a liar and a shill! Neither of which I am but I did not report you.
Is it your colourful use of the English language which they object to? I don’t mind it and find most of your posts (when not insulting me for no reason) quite entertaining.
Perhaps ask the moderators what they are objecting to?

445885 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Biker, 1, #420 of 2015 🔗

Quite a few of mine seem to have vanished as well.

I guess they have to play footsie with those that would ban this site. Why anyone should be allowed such power is deplorable.

445908 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biker, 3, #421 of 2015 🔗

With you all the way, man. Stick around if you can.

445949 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Biker, 3, #422 of 2015 🔗

Fuck ’em, Biker. Don’t go!

445978 ▶▶ tjvs, replying to Biker, 3, #423 of 2015 🔗

Please stay biker
I don’t post much but really enjoy yours
You say a lot of what I think about this shitstorm

446255 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Biker, 1, #424 of 2015 🔗

That’s terrible. Please continue. I feel as if I know you and love your posts.

445671 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 27, #425 of 2015 🔗

Does Susan Michie have a soul? I wonder sometimes. So let’s force masks on kids so that it will turn them into one of her kind of mask lover. That way we can introduce mask shaming into the homes of the exempt.

These are the rantings of a sick individual

445677 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #426 of 2015 🔗

Commies don’t have empathy.

445692 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 6, #427 of 2015 🔗

I am not a socialist, in fact I am anti, but this was interesting to me. (ignore the website address it is not at all relevant)
https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/02/19/cui-bono-the-covid-19-conspiracy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

445851 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Niborxof, 2, #428 of 2015 🔗

Yes a brilliant article. Have been reading one of Simon Elmers pieces each day.

445935 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Niborxof, 2, #429 of 2015 🔗

Yes. He is excellent. Particularly recommended for those who consider themselves on the ‘right’. He details just how much profit will be generated by the bio-security state for those in the state-corporate complex.

445698 marebobowl, replying to marebobowl, 14, #430 of 2015 🔗

Repurposed drugs for early treatment of COVID in vulnerable people. Hcq was always meant for early Tx and used by a number of medics in the USA in the early days of COVID with success according to these doctors. The Recovery study, unfortunately killed people, giving severely ill, hospitalised pts. up to 2400mg hcq, enough to kill an elephant.

Ivermectin has been shown, once again, to be extremely effective, if used in the early treatment of COVID. Studies are out showing it’s efficacy. It is being used around the world.

In the USA, if a drug was available, which could treat COVID effectively, an EUA would be impossible to obtain by the vaccine makers. Thus the suppression of information on hcq and ivermectin.

Just wondering how many lives were lost due to this horrific decision to suppress/censor those doctors who promoted hcq and or ivermectin. Two repurposed drugs with decades of safety data.

445853 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to marebobowl, 4, #431 of 2015 🔗

Just wondering how many lives were lost due to this horrific decision to suppress/censor those doctors who promoted hcq and or ivermectin. Two repurposed drugs with decades of safety data.”

My thoughts exactly.

445706 stewart, replying to stewart, 11, #432 of 2015 🔗

Vaccine passport debate scheduled in Parliament for the 15th March

445710 ▶▶ l835, replying to stewart, 5, #433 of 2015 🔗

Vaccine passports approved by Parliament 16th March

445718 ▶▶▶ l835, replying to l835, 2, #434 of 2015 🔗

Down tick. You really think petitions work? It’s going to be ‘debated’ between MP’s who think passports should be introduced tomorrow, and those who think they should have been introduced yesterday.

445748 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to l835, 4, #435 of 2015 🔗

Sadly, I must agree.

445774 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to l835, 17, #436 of 2015 🔗

I agree. When you consider the scale of the horrors that this parliament has nodded through over the last year how can anyone possibly expect anything but the absolute worst from them.

This nation has been transformed into a tyranny – this alone is going to irreversibly scar the people even if they refuse to admit this. We are now like animals in a zoo and our all our lives will be shortened as a result. The government has been terrorising the population all with the approval of this parliament. The government has been systematically violating all of our essential liberties with the approval of this parliament. The government has deployed the military in information warfare against the civilian population – again with the approval of this parliament.

I have barely scratched the surface here. The government will do everything it can to impose vaccine passports – with the support of this parliament.

445816 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to l835, 8, #437 of 2015 🔗

Can’t understand the downticks.Parliament has shown itself to be absolutely useless in defending liberty.

445888 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to l835, 2, #438 of 2015 🔗

it is begging your gaolers for a scrap of sunlight

445762 ▶▶ alw, replying to stewart, 8, #439 of 2015 🔗

Davos in Cornwall in June….how many of these politicians will require a vaccine passport? Just think of the mutant strains we will be importing!

445714 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 23, #440 of 2015 🔗

Do we come here to rant, have a go at a tribe other than our own or to support the anti-narrative and suggest action to make it succeed? In support of the latter, I am going to be at Tesco, Ilkley at 9am on Sat morning, 6th March. I will film anyone being harassed for not wearing a mask and compile a dossier for the police. Please can you also arrange with friends to go to your local supermarket at 9, unmasked? If I am 1 then I am proud; if I am 1 of 10,000,then I am effective! Remember, if they ask you twice, they commit a criminal offence under the 1997 Harassment Act.

445734 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bungle, 5, #441 of 2015 🔗

Good luck

446451 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #442 of 2015 🔗

Cheers Comrade!

445747 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bungle, 13, #443 of 2015 🔗

Interesting approach, though I have yet to see any harassment at supermarkets. I regularly shop at my local(ish) Tesco maskless and have only once been asked (politely) about absence of mask.

I don’t believe the supermarkets are the villains here; they simply feel compelled to follow the insane government diktats.

446455 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to iane, 1, #444 of 2015 🔗

However politely, you may think it is, it is still harassment. Do you go there to shop or to be quizzed about your attire?

445875 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 4, #445 of 2015 🔗

Do we come here to rant, have a go at a tribe other than our own or to support the anti-narrative and suggest action to make it succeed?

All of the above, obviously.

The site’s owner even (rightly, imo) has a whole section devoted to “woke gobbledegook”, ffs!.Instead of trying to silence opinions you dislike (a practice especially characteristic of the modern “woke” left, but also common to most of the left generally), try adopting the better approach of “ignore or engage”.

And remember, one man’s “rant” is another’s impassioned statement of vital truth, and vice versa. Yours just as much as anyone else’s.

446457 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mark, #446 of 2015 🔗

I’ll take notice this once and take your advice and ignore you henceforward. Thanks for the great advice.

446679 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, #447 of 2015 🔗

That’ll make a nice change from you lecturing me on how my comments shouldn’t be here, thanks. If you actually wanted to debate them, fine, since discussion is the point of a forum.

445899 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bungle, 2, #448 of 2015 🔗

9am ?! Why the middle of the night ? 🙂

445717 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #449 of 2015 🔗

Just read that furlough will be extended yet again until September. Why?

They’re going to let this run and run aren’t they?

Unemployment is now at 3 million. How many more people should go unemployed before the zombies wake up?

445743 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bart Simpson, #450 of 2015 🔗

Yep – they are simply cowards, through and through, terrified to face the consequences of their actions. At this rate it will be after the next general election before anyone dares to face the music!

445753 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #451 of 2015 🔗

The furlough is to anaesthetise people until their jobs and the companies they worked for are gone for good. Once that happens, they will have to bring in UBI and those people will find out what slavery means – no jab no UBI, probably. The people on furlough are comfortable right now.

445771 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to this is my username, 11, #452 of 2015 🔗

And many of them don’t realise that in many cases techincally they’re already unemployed.

445830 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #453 of 2015 🔗

Yes, you’re right.

446155 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #454 of 2015 🔗

This is what gets me. I suspect many of them don’t realise. The only “awake” comment I had on this was from a young man at my Internet providers telling me “I know I’m okay wfh – but my girlfriend works in the entertainment industry and is furloughed at the moment. She’s looking for another job now….”. Cue for us both agreeing that is a wise thing for her to do.

446224 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 3, #455 of 2015 🔗

I think you’re right. I know someone who has been bragging about her craft projects on her anti-social media account with the hashtag “furlough life” or something like that. Her artwork is good but it made me wonder if she should think about getting another job or use her craft skills to go into some sort of business as there might not be a job for her to return to.

445758 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #456 of 2015 🔗

Good section in yesterdays UK column on unemployment figures.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-3rd-march-2021

Seems it might well be a bit higher than official figures.

445768 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Templeton, 3, #457 of 2015 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me as there will be loads of working people who are not counted in the official figures either.

445882 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Templeton, 2, #458 of 2015 🔗

Same as immigration
and the general population at large

445766 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #459 of 2015 🔗

Well said. They’re not being affected and so long as they have their bread and circuses they’re OK. Plus there’s the opportunity to virtue signal and demonstrate how good they are.

That’s the thing that annoys me of Arsebook – they use it to sprout what they won’t say in your face. I had a colleague had a go at people who can’t and won’t wear masks as “covidiots” and when I confronted him he backpedalled and went “it wasn’t the likes of you I was talking about.”

445806 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #460 of 2015 🔗

They are cowards the lot of them.

Not one mask wearer has had the balls to challenge me. They are cowards, they have no morals, they stand for nothing. The go along to get along, they will happily walk us into dystopia and follow any government diktat no matter how absurd.

445849 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JHUNTZ, 8, #461 of 2015 🔗

And if they do they shrink back when you respond. They’re nothing but bullies who can’t take what’s thrown back in their faces.

445846 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #462 of 2015 🔗

I’m the same. Have found a way to limit my exposure to selfies of people getting jabbed and their test-the-kids virtue signalling while still making my point. I refuse to be silenced any longer and jump on Arsebook to share an article/facts or two and don’t look at any posts. Any old ‘community’ I used to have is now replaced with either here or Twitter or a couple of meet ups with mates who feel the same.

445847 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #463 of 2015 🔗

They’re so brave being online and don’t for one second think about the consequences of what they say. Another person I know goes about “making sacrifices” and yet again I wonder if she will have the guts to say that to someone who has lost their jobs or business or lost a loved one due to suicide or cancer or are battling substance abuse, mental health issues or domestic violence.

Am barely on Arsebook now only go to view nature photos and updates on orchestras, feel much better for it.

445884 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #464 of 2015 🔗

To be fair I did use my AB for that sort of thing, it was mostly to keep in touch with family. But given how lazy they are when it comes to keeping in touch and that I’ve clashed with them over this situation, I can’t be bothered now to engage with them. I’m done.

446141 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #465 of 2015 🔗

Precisely! All very well for someone to talk about “making sacrifices” when the biggest sacrifice they personally make is being a bit bored sometimes. I wouldnt dream of talking about sacrifices – for other people to make – and “live and let live” and am only too thankful I’ve not been in the position of a job/home/business etc to lose – but am angry that others are being made to lose these things against their will.

446229 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 4, #466 of 2015 🔗

Agree. And I would not dare ask anyone to sacrifice their life for me. I remember getting into an argument with someone before; she wailed: “I’m trying to keep you safe” to which I replied “I didn’t ask you to.”

Jesus wep.

446312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #467 of 2015 🔗

One of those people yelled at me “i really care and I don’t want you to die”.

445855 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #468 of 2015 🔗

I’ve totally stopped using FB. Too many posts about ‘selfish people not following rules’ and the like. I’ll probably lose touch with a lot of friends now, but better that than realise that they had gone to the dark side and become vaccine zealots.

445862 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Old Trout, 6, #469 of 2015 🔗

A lot of the “friends” on Arsebook aren’t exactly friends at all. It’s not a massive loss for me if I lose touch with them.

445720 Johnsontown, replying to Johnsontown, 35, #470 of 2015 🔗

Prof Michie – from “masks don’t work…” to “…but we should make primary school children wear them nonetheless in order to normalise the practice”. Your daily reminder that these people are shameless and mean us harm.

445739 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Johnsontown, 28, #471 of 2015 🔗

Yesterday, for the first time in ages, I had to cross town before 9am. I witnessed a couple of key workers kids being walked to primary school wearing masks! Honestly, the youngest was about 6 and wearing his mask walking along with no one else other than his mother anywhere near. It angered me so much. What are they doing to the minds of kids?

445757 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to TreeHugger, 8, #472 of 2015 🔗

That is what loosing your mind looks like … bloody morons!

445759 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to TreeHugger, 12, #473 of 2015 🔗

Getting them used to the ‘new normal’. Its child cruelty and all those complicit need to swing.

445778 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TreeHugger, 5, #474 of 2015 🔗

https://www.afinalwarning.com/499136.html – this article, posted on Dave Cullen’s gab page, will tell you exactly what they are doing to the minds of kids

445879 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TreeHugger, 3, #475 of 2015 🔗

Princess Leia: The more you tighten your grip , Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers

445858 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Johnsontown, 2, #476 of 2015 🔗

I saw that and immediately thought normalise = masks here for good.

445721 nickbowes, -4, #477 of 2015 🔗

The UN says “Jump” !
The UK and EU says “how high Sir ?”
China, laughs and rubs its hands in glee.

445723 Basileus, 11, #478 of 2015 🔗

Dr Scott Atlas on masks.

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1367392729886576642

Wearing of masks is GARBAGE SCIENCE.

445728 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #479 of 2015 🔗

One for “ conspiracy theorists ” & “ foil hat wearers ” I have no idea who this is or why it misnames Vern.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/a-must-watch-dr-john-coleman-ex-mi6-don-039-t-take-the-vaccine_7M6YuHYADrHMqaz.html

Anyone shine any light on this?

445813 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Anti_socialist, #480 of 2015 🔗

ex- mi6 …

Yeah, right.

445729 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 13, #482 of 2015 🔗

Great article by Phil Shannon. Oust the identity fanatics, enter real working men an women!

445788 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to norwegian, 5, #483 of 2015 🔗

It’s a machine gun of an article. Worth a few minutes read 👍

445827 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to norwegian, 3, #484 of 2015 🔗

Absolutely brilliant from start to finish.
Need to learn to trust my gut more and have allowed myself to be bullied all year by these militants. Going to take great delight in sharing this with my old ‘comrades’ shortly.

Also one comment under the article stood out in saying that essentially we’ve ended up with focused protection for the not-at-risk at home Zoomers, while the metabolically unhealthy working class are out cleaning our hospitals and lining our stomachs.

445752 LMS2, 19, #485 of 2015 🔗

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/frontline-doctor-fbi-broke-down-my-door-in-swat-team-raid-of-20-men-guns-blazing
Frontline Doctor: FBI ‘broke down my door’ in swat team raid of 20 men
Dr. Simone Gold related the nature of her arrest, how the distribution of experimental vaccines violates the Nuremburg Code, and why COVID-19 censorship is a ‘crime against humanity.’

‘Shocking’ Censorship a ‘crime against humanity,’ ‘breathtaking in its scope’
In a AFLD white paper, the physicians write how the “(m)ost notable” disinformation regarding the pandemic, “was selling the lie to the American and European people that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an unsafe medication.”

As HCQ is “considered one of the safest medications in the world, safer than Motrin or Tylenol,” it has been broadly used outside the west with great success. For example, in response to the virus, India recommended HCQ for its population early last year, and “continues to enjoy a death rate a fraction (~10 percent) of the USA even in the most densely populated slums.”

445760 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 40, #486 of 2015 🔗

Just catching up from yesterday so a bit behind.

So Graham Brady finally finds out there is no evidence to justify any restrictions?

I’ve been trying to get this across since the middle of last year and even Toby and Will did not publish any of the FOIs, e-mail correspondence with councils, devolved Governments etc that outright stated this in no uncertain terms.

They are all in that file link I post now and again – am updating it with recent ones as I get chance so will the link at some point soon.

They could have been well ahead of the curve but hey ho that’s the way it goes when you try not to rock the boat too much, another wasted opportunity.

Will send Graham Brady an e-mail I think so he has more information at his fingertips – if his assistant ever passes it on that is.

445812 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #487 of 2015 🔗

As I said in my first comments on this site, belief in man-made climate change and all the associated “science” is the gateway drug to Covid-19 belief. Even if you think you are really sceptical but hold a kernel of “well it might be right so let’s take precautions” you are sunk.

The whole thing stinks of pseudo-science Lysenkoism. Same as climate science.

I have no issue with scientists creating models and studying what they like. The issue I have is when they try to apply it to the real world without going through the standard checks and audits. And then come up with some excuse why “it’s different”.

On a positive note I do think enough people have woken up properly to what has been happening for the last decade or more with politicised science. The Russians learned the hard way back in the 40s and 50s. Now we seem to be learning too.

446022 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #488 of 2015 🔗

I have had replies in the past from his staff even though I am not a constituent of Graham’s so I do think the emails/letters are passed on.

446082 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #489 of 2015 🔗

I had a thought that you should write a book. “Adventures in Covid 1984”. All about your quest for information, the nuggets you found and general state of play in relation to FOIs. Chapters could entail just picking out your favourite items discovered and how the drill down occurred

You’ve done sterling work and I for one would purchase it.

446088 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #490 of 2015 🔗

In Northern Ireland the Health Minister has said they have evidence, but the public are too stupid to be allowed a look. That’s our level here

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/health/coronavirus/robin-swann-data-for-easing-lockdown-too-complex-to-be-made-public-3153707

446234 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Awkward Git, #491 of 2015 🔗

Great work AG. I think I must have missed that link. Please repost soon.

445761 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 20, #492 of 2015 🔗

“No jab, no pay” – a criminal offence
https://laworfiction.com/2021/03/no-jab-no-pay-a-criminal-offence/

The criminality arising under threat of ‘no jab no pay’ arises by the following logical steps:

  1. By definition, if agreement is coerced, it is not by consent; if access to the benefits of work is only given in return for consenting to a vaccine, that consent is not free
  2. A nurse giving the vaccine is required to ensure the worker gives informed consent, current at the time of treatment
  3. If a nurse knows that the worker’s consent is not free but is given under threat of ‘no jab no pay’ (or any detriment or bribe), the nurse commits an offence by administering the vaccine
  4. The employer who has encouraged or assisted that offence, by making the threat, or by facilitating (and thereby assisting) the vaccine appointment, is guilty of an offence under Section 44 (and/or section 45 and/or section 46) of the Serious Offences Act 1997

Further, and especially given public debate and publicity on the issue, it offers no defence for medical practices to turn their heads away from the circumstances in which any patient submits to a vaccine. Given the numbers of people being vaccinated, to take for granted that none are under threat, or that those who are will speak up of their own accord, is reckless. They will, after all, have shown submission to the threat just by turning up.
The doctor/nurse is therefore under a positive duty to ensure informed consent is given. That requires taking steps, which should be recorded prior to treatment if they wish to defend themselves against criminal prosecution, to ensure the patient is under no threat of ‘no jab no pay’ or similar. They will be reckless to conduct their practice otherwise.

445785 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 5, #493 of 2015 🔗

How about a council official who suggests owners of small businesses should be vaccinated as a condition of their continuing license to trade ?

445804 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to karenovirus, 5, #494 of 2015 🔗

How about 100% council officials and civil servants vaccinated before they can do their jobs, see how officious they all feel then

445814 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to DanClarke, 2, #495 of 2015 🔗

Getting to jump the queue! They’d love that, would be like a Christmas bonus!

445818 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Wolver, 2, #496 of 2015 🔗

Only the one’s who want it would love it, wonder if their union would agree to mandatory vaccines or job loss

445866 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to karenovirus, 1, #497 of 2015 🔗

I’d fake it tbh

445982 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to karenovirus, 2, #498 of 2015 🔗

I would ask that question of law or fiction and maybe Francis Hoar.

446122 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to karenovirus, #499 of 2015 🔗

Wonder how that would pan out? Personally – I’d be wary of going in there if they’d had it and deliberately going in if they hadn’t. Wonder what the “vote” would be?

445795 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Basileus, 7, #500 of 2015 🔗

If someone has only given consent as a result of delusional fear of the virus created by the media and governments propaganda how can this be considered informed consent. Surely it is also necessary to ensure that someones understanding of the risks posed by the virus as well as the ‘vaccine’ are realistic.

445801 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Basileus, 5, #501 of 2015 🔗

Is that why the government wanted vaccinators to be immune to civil litigation?

445895 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basileus, 3, #502 of 2015 🔗

Haven’t the Human Medicine Rules been changed, in order to indemnify the jabbers, even unqualified?

445776 Burlington, replying to Burlington, 5, #503 of 2015 🔗

Sign the petition to ban vote counting machines in UK democratic elections.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/572973

445791 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Burlington, 3, #504 of 2015 🔗

My vote was number 666 is that a bad sign?

445808 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Burlington, #505 of 2015 🔗

Thanks for sharing that. Signed!

Link: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/572973

445786 Anti_socialist, 3, #506 of 2015 🔗
445790 jhfreedom, replying to jhfreedom, 45, #507 of 2015 🔗

I enjoyed the main story here today.

While I am on the Right, I do feel that the Left has been under-represented in Lockdown Sceptics even though they have a legitimate grievance. Lockdown is cataclysmic for everyone but particularly working people living in smaller homes with less space where subverting the rules to protect your physical and mental health becomes difficult due to proximity of neighbours willing to snitch.

I am privileged to live in a leafy county with a garden, and friends have been carrying on almost as normal meeting for dinner throughout and having children for playdates, often invisible to neighbours living in well-spaced plots on wide streets and private roads. The unspoken inequality of lockdown is this privilege of being able to persistently break the rules with almost no chance of being caught. While the less fortunate huddle in close-build tower blocks or built-up areas with overlooked gardens, constantly having to make trade-offs between their children’s sanity and their neighbours reporting them.

It is yet another example of hidden social inequality that stems from the most standard measure of income disparity (Gini coefficient etc.). So the Left need to roar loudly. And I will support them – from a levelling up perspective rather than levelling down. Free EVERYONE from this Madness and we have a better chance of building a unified society. Surely we can all agree on that.

445820 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to jhfreedom, 20, #508 of 2015 🔗

Well said. I’m going to be kind and suggest that a number of our leaders just have no idea how the majority of people live. That is shocking and they should be made to see it. Others just don’t care of course. The champagne socialists are just as bad as the right, which has been my natural home for decades until they turned openly totalitarian.
I don’t come here often now because my mental health is at an all time low. Sadly, although I live in an affluent area most are fervently sticking to the rules so I don’t get much opportunity to break them. I suspect it really doesn’t hurt most people round here if they don’t live alone and didn’t have much of a social or cultural life before.

Here is the sum total of what me and mine have been able to do outside the rules since this all started. It is pathetic.

One outside lunch party (allowed at the time) which was always intended to gravitate indoors (against the rules) and did so.
One “underground” haircut. Not me sadly.
9 or 10 shared thermoses on a park bench during a walk.
2 or 3 outdoor meetings for drinks when not allowed.

Hardly a wild social calendar.

445835 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to WasSteph, 12, #509 of 2015 🔗

Interesting thoughts.

Another point is that more educated and curious people have understood the difference between guidance and law, using the law to justify actions even when the fly in the face of guidance, e.g. the local area nonsense which is not defined in law.

The wider issue is that even if you are PREPARED to break the rules, you need to find like-minded people to do it with. Like the French Resistance in WW2 whose numbers were not all that great. It could be dangerous assuming universal anti-Nazi sentiment among your compatriots.

Predicting who would be prepared to break lockdown is not easy – it transcends intellectual and political lines but my sense is that people who are pragmatic and want to ‘get on’ with life, knowing full well it doesn’t last forever, are those most likely to be prepared to break the rules.

On your mental health, I am genuinely sorry to hear it but I would offer this one consolation – the nightmare really, really is nearly over. Deaths and hospitalisations will be defeated by the vaccine (whatever your thoughts on it), the rules are starting to ease from Monday and the path to normalisation – though slow – has truly begun.

I have begun to detect on LS a sense of not wishing the nightmare to end since it has given voice to many here and distrust of government remains high. But it would surely be a good thing if this website became largely redundant, though not the good, pragmatic instincts of its contributors.

445842 ▶▶▶ Lindy, replying to WasSteph, 22, #510 of 2015 🔗

I too live in a leafy county with a garden, and can’t even begin to imagine what is like for families living in flats and overcrowded housing.

Anyone who thinks it’s ok to put the nation under house arrest to “save the NHS!) needs to spend a month in a high rise, trying to homeschool a teenager, a five year old, as well as looking after a toddler. Let’s see how long they last, let’s see how their mental health does.

They wouldn’t last 2 days

Let’s start with Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance, Ferguson and Michie

445826 ▶▶ jos, replying to jhfreedom, 10, #511 of 2015 🔗

‘Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free’ – what happened to this ideal in both the US and the UK? Where has all the wealth, the health and the freedom gone? When this is all over I think we’ll start to understand how the 0.1% have destroyed the 99.9% – the real virus in this world being the wealth-snatchers. The solution is not another wealth grab turning us all into serfs via the WEF Great Reset- but something needs to change to give us our true freedom back and put an end to our mental and physical global lockdown for good.

445840 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to jos, 4, #512 of 2015 🔗

Well put.

Inequality was an issue in 2019, and it will be more so in 2022 when things are almost normal again.

Humans form clubs and exclude others, so I think it will always be with us.

445848 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to jhfreedom, 4, #513 of 2015 🔗

I just wish left /right/up/down could come together and get rid of this woke shit

445878 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Crystal Decanter, 22, #514 of 2015 🔗

We need to expunge the wing nuts on the extremes to do that.

The ‘too woke to work’ brigade are going to lead us down a dangerous path. They expect the rest of us to keep them.

445950 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, -1, #515 of 2015 🔗

Wait, what, can you not just print money to give to them?

445868 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to jhfreedom, 50, #516 of 2015 🔗

“While I am on the Right, I do feel that the Left has been under-represented in Lockdown Sceptics even though they have a legitimate grievance.”

Correct, which is why the constant whittling about debt and economics is annoying since it is entirely Right Wing and completely incorrect.

Those on the Left know how it is going to be ‘paid for’, by ‘spending the money’ in the same way all government spending is paid for. Therefore when the Right go on about this, they just look like a bunch of wingnuts.

What the Right always overlook is that for there to be ‘debt’, there has to be ‘assets’, and Gilts are savings assets. That’s what causes the deficit – people saving. The young will ‘pay for Covid’ by spending Grandad’s Gilts that they have inherited.

Therefore we can easily morph the Furlough scheme into a Job Guarantee, which would solve the unemployment problem. Yes we do all need to work, and you’re not working class if you don’t believe you have to work for a living.

It get tiring on here listening to irrational anti-vax nuts with a debt fetish, just as much as it does listening to mask fanatics on Reddit moaning at everybody that you’re using the wrong pronouns while expecting the state to keep you alive for nothing in return. It’s way past time both these sets of people were expunged from the conversation. They don’t help.

445942 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to jhfreedom, -7, #517 of 2015 🔗

Are you suggesting there are no, or very few, left-wingers living in leafy areas, and no, or very few, right-wingers living in inner-city/more built-up areas? Unless I misunderstand your post, you appear to have fallen into the leftist/naive ‘conservative’ trap of simplistic thinking.

446040 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, -4, #518 of 2015 🔗

Another down-vote cock-up that should have been an up-vote for an eminently sane comment.

446115 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #519 of 2015 🔗

I was thinking this , as i feel left and right no longer matters. we may see furlough replaced with UBI and many other measures to make us dependant on the state, regardless of Left or Right. Lots of downticks going on again, or am i imagining things?

446217 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #520 of 2015 🔗

I think you’re right because that’s what my gut feeling tells me.

446135 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to JohnDanny, #521 of 2015 🔗

Maybe I have generalised, but in the shires I see many more copies of the Daily Mail and Telegraph being picked up than the Guardian or Independent. Very crudely, middle class accumulation of wealth is incompatible with the redistribution required to create the better society that is desired by many on the Left. That said, there are attempts to square the circle – New Labour, the American concept of philanthropy etc. I am walking into a minefield…I guess my basic premise is that lockdown has hit the poorest and the Left I assumed would be more universally concerned about them. Though the counter-argument from Zero-Covid Leftists would be that if everyone gets infected and deaths soar then the leveller that is the NHS would collapse and the economy would grind to a halt…

446248 ▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to jhfreedom, #522 of 2015 🔗

I’m not trying to pick a fight, but yes, I think you’re oversimplifying things, first by assuming your part of ‘the shires’ reflects other parts of ‘the shires,’ second by basing your opinion on the single observation that more people pick up ‘right-wing’ newspapers when the formulation of some sort of accurate picture would require a multivariant analysis (not to mention the fact that more and more people are moving away from buying newspapers), and thirdly, you commit the cardinal sin of assuming the left ‘would be more universally concerned about’ the poor being hit hardest 🙂 This is a hackneyed leftist trope that has, perhaps as a form of self-flagellation, been adopted by professing conservatives.

446038 ▶▶ RickH, replying to jhfreedom, -7, #523 of 2015 🔗

The issue is that Covid belief cuts right across the old categories of left/right politics. A lot try to stuff it into their battered old political suitcase – as you can see from the particular obsessions in the article from ‘Left Lockdown Sceptics’. The overall thrust is true : that many on the ‘left’ have been absolutely useless in opposing the Covid narrative. But, of course the fissiparous ‘left’ has never been great at unity, despite the rhetoric; there is no such unified block of political opinion – and the same applies to every band in the old political spectrum, with a majority at each point falling for the Covid crap.

Then we have the particulars, with this author waving his own patronising banner of ‘What about the workers?’ and simple-minded contrary images of an imaginary, and similarly generic ‘liberal Guardian- reading middle class’.

.. and, of course the classic Brexit=anti-Covid. Which is just another marker of how the Tooting Trots always need to get out more. Have a look at the ‘Skwawkbox’ site to see how the fervent pro-lockdown Wolfies are equally insanely pro-Brexit. (Actually, most of the ‘sceptics’ I know were actually anti-Brexit. It’s irrelevant to this debate)

No. This is a new departure in political definitions, despite links to the past.

445793 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 12, #524 of 2015 🔗

There’s an episode of the Simpsons were they all end up in a cult. Even Bart gets sucked in.

Homer resists until they realise the message is too nuanced, resorting to “Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna… Batman!” then replacing it with:

“Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna… Leader!”

The constant onslaught of pseudo-science gibberish about an ailment that still is not as bad as the flu can be weakening. But it all rests on the original measurement process of what is Covid-19? I suspect all the writers here includinng Toby just never had experience of having to hold on continuously to your convictions no matter what.

I don’t blame them. They can reflect when this comes to a close.

Because what they’ve done is:

“Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna Dinna… Vaccine!”

446080 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to mhcp, 2, #525 of 2015 🔗

Loved your post. I have said from the beginning to stick to the KISS principal (keep it simple, stupid) There is so much blah blah going on that it detracts from the simple fact of 1. the virus being downgraded from an HCID on 19th March 2020, plus 2. the death numbers, 3. the seasonality aspect, and 4. historically how we have dealt with and lived with seasonal illnesses. I have stuck to my conviction about this whole madness based on the facts and will never waiver as I believe in freedom/civil liberties too much.
“dinna dinna dinna dinna freedom!!!!!

446325 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mhcp, 1, #526 of 2015 🔗

I saw a trailer 2 days ago for a South Park episode: The vaccine.

I do not watch, it no idea which channel, would be quite interesting to see this episode.

445810 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 8, #527 of 2015 🔗

‘Like a drug, the machine is useful, dangerous and habit-forming. The oftener one surrenders to it the tighter its grip becomes.’ George Orwell

445932 ▶▶ iane, replying to DanClarke, 1, #528 of 2015 🔗

Yes – and now even Hitchens has started down that road.

445815 arfurmo, 3, #529 of 2015 🔗

In the ATL link https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/mask-madness-makes-my-donated-blood-boil/ there is “ In respect of my vaccine request, I have now seen the clinical guidance and this states that mask-exempt patients are indeed welcome! A link was included.
I’ve been to that link and can’t find anything that states that mask exempt patients are welcome. Can anyone find it please?

445822 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #530 of 2015 🔗

This mornings Telegraph.
I would have expected better from Ambose Evans-Pritchard.

Third wave, scary mutants (fades away behind paywall).

445928 ▶▶ iane, replying to karenovirus, 5, #531 of 2015 🔗

AEP – now a prat, always has been a prat: one of the worst columnists at DT.

445956 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to iane, 3, #532 of 2015 🔗

And there’s stiff competition for the Worst Columnist Prize on that dreadful rag these days.

446070 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 1, #533 of 2015 🔗

He recently claimed care workers in Germany getting sick from the vaccine en mass was due to their consumption of fake news and the nocebo effect. Mad man

445823 swedenborg, 13, #534 of 2015 🔗

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-big-lie-behind-the-panic-over-covid-variants-exposed

Good article highlightning the La Jolla study showing T cells working against the new variants.Also the Singpore study showing a T cell response to the SARS virus 17 years ago gave a T cells response to the different Sars-Cov2 virus. Why should not T cells response to Sars-Cov2 infection protect against serious reinfecton of any variant? Like in real life reinfection is of no interest unless you end up in hospital and that seems highly unlikely if you had a T cells response to C-19 infection.

445834 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 41, #535 of 2015 🔗

Will this be the final straw (masks/tests) that will break the “Covidisters” backs?
My elder son and his partner have always been total collaborating sheep but the prospect of their 16 year old daughter/stepdaughter having to wear a face nappy for 6 hours a day is causing even them to have doubts.
What is that about revenge being a dish best eaten cold.
I truly hate saying this about people I love and I really hope that this latest stupidity will at last open their and countless millions of others to open their eyes.

445856 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #536 of 2015 🔗

The Sheeple are lost. No point in wasting time on them. Reminds me of the Open Borders pro Muslim Retards, who have their daughter raped and killed, and their first vomit to the Fake News is about Islamophobia. You can’t fix the stupid, so don’t try.

445904 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to FerdIII, 9, #537 of 2015 🔗

It’s not even as simple as that. My local pharmacist is one of the more rational people in this world. He has seen through masks and lockodwn. However, he is today having the second jab of the pfizer brew. He has had covid so why take the jab, I asked. Because immunity only lasts six months was his reply. But, I said, you’ve just destroyed the case for ever having vaccines.

I told him I genuinely feared for what was going to happen to a lot of people with this stuff.

445918 ▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Londo Mollari, 10, #538 of 2015 🔗

Immunity only last 6 months. lololololololoolololol.

Do these dumb dumbs ever just use common sense honesty christ. How do they think they are still alive with all these viruses around that they keep ‘losing’ immunity to.

445841 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 28, #539 of 2015 🔗

So, here is my thought today (and I may well be slow to the party on this one)….

They are not going to stop the lockdown, because the lockdown is a tool to create fear. With fear they can scare people to getting the vaccine. So many people are only taking the vaccine to ‘be free’. So it doesn’t matter what the numbers are, or what the graphs show, they will keep the lockdown for as long as they can to force the vaccine.

If they open up, people will realise there is no danger and no virus, so they will say no to the vaccine, after all why do they need it? Then the gov is in trouble, not able to fulfil the ‘elites’ plan.

This morning I read my Twitter feed before coming here, and was seriously uplifted by the good news and the growing decent on there. 16 states in the USA open or opening up. Another article on Reiner Fuellmich, who is now prosecuting the WHO & the PCR idiots in the USA. It felt like there is a change.

I am desperately hoping (you may have noticed) that what is happening in the USA will filter over here. How can our f*!kwits in government pretend it’s not happening (I know they will try).

Right, I’m not going to spend all day here today. Think I need some time away. But just to add….

Those that want to try and connect with other sceptics locally please PM me, and look at my post in the forums for info.

Biker – don’t go, I love your posts and your poems.

445852 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #540 of 2015 🔗

LDs will resume in the Fall.

But they have already moved on. Now the foci is on ‘freedom passes’ and digital surveillance. They will ‘voluntarily’ coerce you into the experimental-drug jag. Do not call it a phucking vaccine. It isn’t.

Posted some info above on this. Even if LDs are lifted (I think they will have rolling fascist-fear tier LDs every winter), it won’t matter. The Digital Surveillance state will be in place. LDs or not, won’t change your enslavement.

445869 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to FerdIII, 6, #541 of 2015 🔗

Supply chains everywhere have been disrupted by the lockdowns. Natural resources everywhere are in decline. Especially energy. You would not believe how much effort is required to manufacture just one silicon chip. The technological slave state is a chimera – they will never get to finish their project. surely some among the elites realise this – in which case their plan is more sinister than a technological slave state.

Just glance at the first few lines of this article on the steps required to make silicon for a silicon chip. https://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2021/01/14/how-we-manufacture-silicon/

446026 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #542 of 2015 🔗

90% of the rare earths required being in China.

446149 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to karenovirus, 3, #543 of 2015 🔗

Karen, rare earth minerals are found everywhere. When I first started working with them the source was scandinavia (where they were first isolated , hence the scandinavian origin of many of the names of the elements), then Russia became the cheapest source, followed by Molycorp in US . What enables China to dominate the market now is the cost of separating individual lanthanide elements . They all have such similar chemical characteristics that processes such as ion exchange are need to isolate the individual elements . Some applications , such as luminescent materials for lamps or displays require 5Ns purity, ie 99.999% purity
This process of separation costs money, and labour is far cheaper in China , and they simply chuck residues into huge lakes. So there are no environmental costs (financially speaking , actually of course the environmental cost is huge).

446179 ▶▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to Londo Mollari, #544 of 2015 🔗

“Natural resources everywhere are in decline. Especially energy. ”

We live in a finite world. The low hanging fruit has been picked, now it’s getting harder to get many things. The modern world was built with cheap fossil fuels and debt but the limits are being reach and there’s no alternatives to save us from decline.

445854 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #545 of 2015 🔗

And EVERYONE MUST ANSWER the government’s consultation paper on Digital IDs by Sunday night!!!!

445924 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 2, #546 of 2015 🔗

One of the most concerning aspects of that for me is the inclusivity part – that is the end of religious freedom. If what a person sells (product or service) has to be inclusive, how can you have any religious freedom left?

445987 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to this is my username, #547 of 2015 🔗

… or look at it another way round : should spurious “religious freedom ” be a let-out for divisiveness and discrimination.

… because I know a lot who espouse the Covid Religion who would like to discriminate against those without a vaccine passport.

445850 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 6, #548 of 2015 🔗

LDS will be happy. Freedom passes (drug passports) may require 2 barcode tests per week. UK Gov started to message this, last November. This will ramp up as the flu dead tumble.

Freedom pass they call it – Experimental Drug-ID (passports and national ID cards on your smart phone), which will require constant testing and of course jabbing (3 or 6 months). App is connected to your salary, your security info, your bank (called a personal wallet). UN employees and China already have this. They will link your experimental-drug vaxx to a ‘social score’ which is tied to your ability to get education, finance, a mortgage, travel, or even enter a stadium .

Hugo Talks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5drRcku6M0

445972 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to FerdIII, 2, #549 of 2015 🔗

This is the PM’s moonshot plan he mumbled about at some point.

446000 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 3, #550 of 2015 🔗

This is the CCP Social Credit stuff.
Your social score can be affected by social media comments, grassing people up anonymously/getting grassed up, how quickly you pay your bills, if your child bunks off school and if you fail to pick up your dog shit.

Toby posted a link to this in June (thanks Cheezilla).

medium.com health passport tyranny

445857 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #551 of 2015 🔗

Harry and Meghan bullying staff; Au contraire!

445860 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #552 of 2015 🔗

I am sick to the back teeth hearing about these two. I thought they wanted privacy? The ‘woe is me’ attitude from them is utterly pathetic.

445867 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ganjan21, 7, #553 of 2015 🔗

If I wanted privacy, the last thing I would do is move to LaLa and start a media empire.

445874 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ganjan21, 5, #554 of 2015 🔗

I’ve been sick of all the parasites (royal family) all my life.

446187 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #555 of 2015 🔗

yes, see latest Vernon Coleman video on brand new tube. I think they’re well past their use by date now, and we need to clean up this vermin

446184 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #556 of 2015 🔗

yes why don’t they just fuck off -as they promised to

445881 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #557 of 2015 🔗

I am a Republican but this site is not for such views. Stop it please.

445891 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bungle, 23, #558 of 2015 🔗

A lot of people on here became republicans last week when Her Maj told everyone to stop being selfish and take the experimental gene therapy.

445913 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #559 of 2015 🔗

Yes, quite an own goal there!

445951 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to iane, 5, #560 of 2015 🔗

It certainly was.

446014 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Bungle, 1, #561 of 2015 🔗

Fair comment, I take your point.

445863 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #562 of 2015 🔗

This is interesting. It doesn’t mean that you are HIV infected after mRNA vaccination but you could have a false pos HIV test (if done) which could potentially affect blood donations etc where you are always HIV tested. Not heard anything about it in British MSM. Is this just a scare story?

Obviously an Australian vaccine development was withdrawn because of this false HIV test so there maybe something in this concern. The twitter author is doing a publication in two weeks time.Let us see if this is true.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03570-0

https://twitter.com/LynnFynn3/status/1347662134453399557

“Many of you know I’ve had concerns with mRNA and Virus Vector vaccines for SARSCoV2, for a number of reasons. If you recall, both antigenically and immunologically, the recipient will display certain markers for HIV becoming problematic for numerous reasons-“

“Out of curiosity we decided to HIV-test a few colleagues that received the Pf*zer Vax for SARSCov 2 and several came back positive. Our curiosity was based on a scientific theory we have which prompted ordering the assay. I think it’s very important to relay this information.”

445892 ▶▶ merlin, replying to swedenborg, 3, #563 of 2015 🔗

Excellent, next lockdown can be for HIV false positive epidemic instead of covid false positives.

445910 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to merlin, 2, #564 of 2015 🔗

Yep – no more nookie for Prof Pantsdown: Result!

445901 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to swedenborg, 5, #565 of 2015 🔗

Next mutant variant – COVAIDS

445939 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to swedenborg, 1, #566 of 2015 🔗

So those of us who don’t take the vaccine will become mandatory blood donors for everyone else.

445993 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, #567 of 2015 🔗

Outbreak of AIDS among the over 80s ?

446061 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 1, #568 of 2015 🔗

No. Just that you can’t give blood because the same markers are being picked up due to the dynamics of the antibodies for SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.

446059 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #569 of 2015 🔗

This is not saying they are infected with HIV.Just the possibility that the vaccine might induce the production of nonsense antibodies. This is of no importance at all in the elderly not in the blood transfusion age. The whole thing could be disproved or proved easily. Take 100 HCWs recently vaccinated with mRNA vaccine and check with HIV test. Could be done in a day.

445870 Old Trout, replying to Old Trout, 3, #570 of 2015 🔗

Hi all, has anyone noticed that when they try to give an up vote on a comment it actually gives a down vote? Done this a couple of times for me today. I think I heard something similar from a couple of people yesterday and certainly there seemed to be a huge number of red down ticks kicking around on the comment section yesterday.

445877 ▶▶ l835, replying to Old Trout, 5, #571 of 2015 🔗

I haven’t down ticked, but sometimes the site won’t let me uptick

445936 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Old Trout, 6, #572 of 2015 🔗

If you ignore the doom mongers, there’s a lot of positive stories emerging around the world at the moment. Todays update has some positive stories about people rebuilding and starting businesses etc. Can’t be having any of that!

445947 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Old Trout, 1, #573 of 2015 🔗

#Me too

445983 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Old Trout, #574 of 2015 🔗

It was happening for a while about an hour ago. Perhaps a few zealots red ticking at the same time to cause confusion.
If 5 did that and you upticked simultaneously you would just see -4

445985 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Old Trout, 2, #575 of 2015 🔗

The voting numbers are not continuously updated, but only when you refresh the page, or if you yourself vote.

So if while you are reading the page, a comment receives two downticks, you will not see those recorded until you yourself uptick it, at which point it will add the aggregate of all intervening votes, so you will just see a net -1.

446076 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 1, #576 of 2015 🔗

Snap !

446672 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, #577 of 2015 🔗

You get the cookie though, as you just beat me to the punch…

445871 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 12, #578 of 2015 🔗

Is Susan Michie even more loathsome than Ferguson? Discuss.

445880 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #579 of 2015 🔗

My opinion is Ferguson is deluded and Michie is downright satanic.

445897 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #580 of 2015 🔗

Ferguson is probably riddled with syphilis

445946 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Ganjan21, 10, #581 of 2015 🔗

Ferguson is more than a bit of a divvy, but Michie is in a different league. Her response to the R4 interviewer discussing mass job-losses in the wake of the Covid shitshow was: well, the workers will have to train for other jobs. She didn’t actually advise the unemployed to eat cake, but with what she said and the offhand way she said it, she might as well have done.

446178 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Dermot McClatchey, 2, #582 of 2015 🔗

she should train for another job herself – as a toilet cleaner. a job where she can do no harm, and may actually do some good

445929 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to A. Contrarian, 13, #583 of 2015 🔗

I think in the same way that Hancock is more loathsome than Boris. She and Hancock are pure evil. Ferguson and Boris are weak and pathetic and deluded.

445872 Sam Vimes, 9, #584 of 2015 🔗

From ATL today:

(Ivermectin) “ …major health organizations consistently stating that there is insufficient evidence for its efficacy in prevention or treatment of the disease.”

Now, that rings a bell!

445889 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #585 of 2015 🔗

This is very interesting. Shows excess deaths week 13 in the US 2020.What does it mean? There was a wide spread infection of C-19 several weeks before it was discovered. And in multiple places.
Louisiana is interesting with Mardi Gras widespread infection in two counties linked to New York travel. The second wave(seasonal wave) affected the rest of Louisiana as expected of a seasonal virus.

The whole interactive graph worth seeing. Just excess deaths US

https://twitter.com/BenMarten/status/1366299638794313733

445911 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 4, #586 of 2015 🔗

And as we know, New York was having a very bad “flu” season by late February.

446047 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #587 of 2015 🔗

These kind of nuggets just eradicate completely the idea that we should have locked down earlier, and Labour’s 3 weeks nonsense is even more hysterical. It was already seeded and pre 2020 pandemic preparedness was the way to go, taking account of the wider implications of PHIs. Except we listened to the corrupt WHO and their CCP paymasters

445890 CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #588 of 2015 🔗

PLEASE PUBLISH ATL URGENTLY!!!
DEADLINE:
11th MARCH at 12pm

Everyone listen up… we MUST RESPOND TO THIS! It’s about the only democratic tool available to us (since we are currently denied our right to assembly and petitions debates are suspended).

OUR responses HAVE to be counted and published! You KNOW that this is their tool to roll out a permanent the surveillance state.

WRITE A RESPONSE.
SHARE WIDELY!

Toby, Will PLEASE share ATL!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uk-digital-identity-and-attributes-trust-framework

445907 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 7, #589 of 2015 🔗

Why is this needed? I mean really, what are the arguments for needing tighter digital ID controls? Already, if I need to order anything, book and check in to flight ( like no chance at the moment ), make a financial transaction etc. there are already so many safeguards in place, that fraud is as likely as it is using paper documents. It’s reinventing the wheel, for no good reason.

Also, when the great power outage of 2025 happens, possibly caused by the collapse of the great reset, how will anybody be able to make any sort of transaction, without some form of physical documents?

445975 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #590 of 2015 🔗

I have responded, but only to the non detailed stage with the comment that it is an affront to our liberties that this is even being discussed.However the design of the questionaire is such that it assumes a digi-ID will happen, its not asking whether or not it should, just how ‘companies’ should use them.
We are not being asked the fundamental question, do we want them, that appears to be a lost cause.

446005 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 2, #591 of 2015 🔗

I did the same, outlining the bill does the opposite to how it is sold. Guilty until proven innocent is how they want us to live.

446067 ▶▶▶▶ Kat, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #592 of 2015 🔗

Regardless of what is claimed, the involvement of the private sector in it will lead to shed loads of public money being shelled out and the creation of a huge bureaucracy to monitor it. My only hope is that we will have a financial collapse and the state will have to be downsized. These projects always involve a major overspend.

445898 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 40, #593 of 2015 🔗

All this Facebook Bollocks makes you piss why the Fuck would people be interested in what can only be described as mindless drivel.. Brain dead fuckers apparently boasting they have been jabed making a big thing of it.. The bottom line here is Facebook should be banned and it’s owners jailed for life, people seem incapable of proper face to face conversation preferring to scroll down there smartphone to see if a friend has had a good shit in the morning,or had a new bathroom installed.. Never had Facebook never will…

445903 ▶▶ iane, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #594 of 2015 🔗

Yep, once a sheeple, always a sheeple. Very sad but there seems to be no cure.

445905 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to iane, 4, #595 of 2015 🔗

We have not evolved to deal with social media.

445912 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 16, #596 of 2015 🔗

Sad case on Fakebook – one young woman changed her profile picture so she was seen, wearing a mask, telling everyone to think of others and take the shot.

Two days after the jab she was dead and – what was worse – the symptoms appeared shortly after her vaccination – and she must have died knowing that her folly cost her her life.

Left behind some young kids.

445923 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #597 of 2015 🔗

Sad story indeed Shit book has a lot to answer for..

445926 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #598 of 2015 🔗

Did any of her friends make the connection to the jab? Does it seem to have changed her feed at all from mindless sheeple? It would be good to know that at least some good came of it, if it helped some people see the light?

445937 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to kenadams, 3, #599 of 2015 🔗

Probably only to suggest that if she had had the jab sooner, she’d still be alive. 🙁

445948 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to kenadams, 3, #600 of 2015 🔗

It’s been circulating on Fb and I have the impression that her friends see the connection.

445971 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #601 of 2015 🔗

the symptoms appeared shortly after her vaccination

Don’t get too excited : that shows the infection was some time before the vaccination.

It’s not a good idea to get drawn into the same game as the BBC plays with disconnected cases.

446101 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #602 of 2015 🔗

..and those poor kids are going to grow up: a. Without a mother b. Knowing that their mother was a gullible idiot. Poor little mites.

446169 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #603 of 2015 🔗

I think everyone who takes this ‘vacc’ is going to go the same way. it will probably just take a bit longer for most, that’s all.

445933 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #604 of 2015 🔗

Most social media is virtue signalling conditioning. They have completed their mission.

446008 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #605 of 2015 🔗

Brain dead fuckers” aren’t limited to Facebook, Mr R. Profiles on apps like Tinder (& others) people are now using their short profile space not to talk about or sell themselves, but to advertise the vax!

446024 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #606 of 2015 🔗

Sad individuals need to get a real life waste of good oxygen..

445909 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 10, #607 of 2015 🔗

Biontech is the partner of Pfizer.

Their shares have fallen sharply in the last few days.

https://www.finanzen.net/aktien/biontech-aktie

“Die Unternehmen Biontech und Pfizer üben nach Angaben des deutschen Bundesgesundheitsministeriums seit Dienstag den weltweiten Rückruf von Impfstoff”

According to the German Health Ministry, Pfizer and Biontech are practising for a worldwide recall of their vaccine”

https://kurier.at/chronik/welt/biontech-und-pfizer-ueben-rueckruf-von-impfstoffen/401206651

Does a ‘recall’ mean that it can be taken out of those who have already received it?

445941 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, 2, #608 of 2015 🔗

Does the article indicate why? And does “practising” mean “preparing”?

445945 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, 2, #609 of 2015 🔗

I just translated it – or Mr Google did. It doesn’t say much and doesn’t answer any of my questions. Thanks for posting.

445962 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #610 of 2015 🔗

Yes, the article tries to give the impression that it is some kind of routine exercise.

Maybe – but combined with a falling share price?

Perhaps the sellers know something.

445997 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rockoman, 4, #611 of 2015 🔗

Ramping up from relatively small trials to global vaccination programmes comes with enormous risks. The two processes are different. You have to reduce standards to achieve scale.

This outlines it in frightening detail.

http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/

I have a feeling care home deaths, the large concentrated ones, could be due to bad batches as opposed to general underlying issues with the vaccines. Otherwise it’d be even more widespread. Just a theory based on the above link.

446100 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #612 of 2015 🔗

Thanks for the link, ploughing my way through it. It definitely could explain my ‘graph’ issue of yesterday, a bad batch(es) being used.
This German movement certainly seems to have legs, might it derail the vaccine roll-out?

446620 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, #613 of 2015 🔗

The German verb üben means to practise, to exercise or to conduct a military drill.

446054 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to rockoman, 2, #614 of 2015 🔗

They merely conducted an exercise for the process of a global recall if one was needed.

But share price is markedly down.

445922 George L, replying to George L, 10, #615 of 2015 🔗

Lockdowns or the planet gets it? Guardian ‘accidentally’ suggests Covid-like shutdowns every 2 years to meet Paris climate goals

Just as plenty of us ‘conspiracy theorists’ have always thought. This covid shit show is inextricably linked to that other great scam ‘climate change’.

For anyone unfamiliar with this link, do a bit of research on Maurice Strong , Rio Earth Summit, and the First Global Revolution. It was Strong ( a billionaire Rockefeller stooge) who amongst other globalist scumbags said “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse, and isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about”.

Article on RT

https://www.rt.com/news/517146-climate-lockdowns-every-two-years/

446016 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to George L, 2, #616 of 2015 🔗

Greta just soiled herself with joy

446084 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to George L, #617 of 2015 🔗

In which case – thanks a bunch matey – now just who I shoot? Strong to start with obviously. He wants to see just how motivated someone is that is the first of two children themselves and hasn’t had more than two children (ie I chose not to have any). So – boy – do I ever believe I have a right to my place (and my sort of society) on this planet? Yep!!!! Not responsible for overpopulation – and not responsible for my actions if I come across an idiot either….

445930 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #618 of 2015 🔗

Lethal outbreak in Florida last summer of candida – thrush – blamed on coronavirus. It’s the bloody masks! https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2021/03/candida-auris-outbreak-in-covid-19.html

445944 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #619 of 2015 🔗

It added that hospital staff, possibly out of fear of the coronavirus, were wearing multiple layers of personal protective equipment (PPE), which is not recommended and in fact heightens the risk of microbe transmission.

Somebody didn’t get the memo!

445965 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #620 of 2015 🔗

If you are in a relationship with a healthcare worker, or a shop worker, or a postie, I recommend avoiding kissing. Oral thrush can be very contagious.

445931 Tattersall, replying to Tattersall, 1, #621 of 2015 🔗

Some days ago I saw a graph of all the states in the USA listed horizontally showing their
Covid-related death rates, the lockdown states in blue and no-lockdown states in red (or vice-versa). But I can’t find it now. Has anyone got a link?

445934 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Tattersall, 3, #622 of 2015 🔗

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/02/26/

(in the above the line section if you scroll down from that link)

445960 ▶▶▶ Tattersall, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #623 of 2015 🔗

That’s the one. Thanks a lot.

445940 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #624 of 2015 🔗

Good update from InProportion UK vs India ( not cricket )

https://twitter.com/InProportion2/status/1367199212534964231

445953 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #625 of 2015 🔗

I noticed somebody on that Twitter thread trying to explain it with slimmer people and warmer weather in In India.

According to the Wikipedia article ‘Diabetes in India’ :

“I ndia has an estimated 77 million people with diabetes ,”

445963 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #626 of 2015 🔗

Much as I’d like to celebrate the India v. UK comparison, one thing any alert individual has noticed is that sweeping generalisations across disparate geographical zones tend to fall flat on their face. We shouldn’t fall into an alternative weak evidence elephant trap. There are far too many variables involved.

The less spectacular comparison with Sweden is much more convincing.

445980 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 4, #627 of 2015 🔗

The biggest comparison which hasn’t been touched is the large spike in deaths in England over other parts of the UK during late Jan early Feb.

Has anyone seen any specific analysis on that?

445996 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #628 of 2015 🔗

try the Pandemic Podcast with Joel Smalley and Ivor Cummins vid with Gabor Erdosi

446010 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 2, #629 of 2015 🔗

Fair enough, but I think placing too much faith in Sweden, hasn’t been helpful in hindsight. There have been plenty of other examples around the world, where restrictions have been minimal and placed all together, create overwhelming evidence that these restrictions have little effect.

446015 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #630 of 2015 🔗

Yes -including Belarus, which also has an older population and is also a mid.latitude country.

446079 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #631 of 2015 🔗

I cited Sweden because there is, in the Twatter piece, a parallel graph showing the same variables as are shown for Sweden. It is much more applicable to the UK.

445952 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 18, #632 of 2015 🔗

Some seriously good ATL articles today.
Excellent one from LLS.
Fig 5 from the HCQ article says it all. Everything you need to know about this scam. The anglosphere turned off the world economy to save the banks, but not content with that it wants to use the disruption to allow some to get filthy rich by ramming experimental therapies into bodies. Legally it can’t do that if something else can do the same job as well. The ‘something else’ is HCQ and Ivermectin, cheap as chips generic drugs; so they will do anything to try to stop their use. Thankfully most of the RoW has told them to get stuffed.
Now how exactly do they intend to force the RoW to go along with compulsary ‘vaccine certificates’ for travel?

445976 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to peyrole, 5, #633 of 2015 🔗

Catherine Fitts said it best. They feel they have no choice but to implement something the people would never vote for.

446018 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #634 of 2015 🔗

She’s worth listening to- she used to work for G.H.W. Bush, she’s no fly-by-night.

447286 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to peyrole, #635 of 2015 🔗

I am just preparing for economic problems aheaed. There’s just no fucking way they are going to implement any of that social credit garbage with robots doing things for people in smart cities. It’s fucking delusional.

I’m not even worried about ‘technocracy’ anymore

445957 Mark, replying to Mark, -18, #636 of 2015 🔗

There is a clear conflict between the seemingly increasing censorship of comments on this site and Toby Young’s position as head of the FSU, and his related arguments in favour of free speech. Ideally, imo it would be nice if it were addressed by him personally, setting out a clear statement ATL of the rules for comments here. (Perhaps there already is such, but if so I’ve never been made aware of it).

A site owner clearly has the right to impose any censorship regime he desires, and a degree of censorship is always necessary, if only to comply with laws on eg terrorist incitement, child porn etc. But a lot of the recent censorship here seems to be “quality of life” stuff – removal of bad language or “embarrassing” opinions, and at least one I’ve seen seemed to be based on political opinion, though inevitably it’s hard to be sure because the nature of the beast is that the evidence is removed. And the “owners’ rights” approach is one for the core rationalisations for the cancel and censorship culture that the FSU often stands against.

Imo there should be a clearly stated list of categories of post that will be removed, and moderators should be expected to categorise and record each and every post they remove – but that’s a matter of administrative effectiveness, to give accountability and allow for the weeding out of the inevitable tendency of some moderators to more and more use their powers to pursue personal grudges or political bias.

In particular, what is the position here on “bad language”? Are we a bowdlerised site suitable for children? Or one for adult discussion where we are free to use “bad” language when we consider it appropriate, at risk only to our own reputation onsite? Somewhere in between, where we can never know if an additional f*** or c*** will be allowed or tip us into censorship territory?

I’d be interested especially in a answer to that one. (I’d also like to know to what extent it would extend to the modern taboo words (racial and ethnic slurs) that have replaced the old sex and body part terms that used to be taboo in “respectable” discourse – the “n word” replacing the nowadays pretty routine “c word” and “f word”.)

446011 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 2, #637 of 2015 🔗

WordPress will insist on censorship as it is in their T&C’s

446027 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, -4, #638 of 2015 🔗

Nobody’s suggesting “no censorship”, as far as I’m aware. If WordPress imposes particular censorship rules, then those are presumably incorporated in the site’s policy. but what is that policy? The site applies the rules, not WordPress.

If it’s just what is required by WordPress, then that itself can be stated to explain the reason for the rules.

My issue is not with rules per se, but with not knowing what the rules are.

446058 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mark, 1, #639 of 2015 🔗

Well blow me down, my fingers moved and up popped the information

https://wordpress.com/tos

446158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Crystal Decanter, -3, #640 of 2015 🔗

From your slightly snarky tone, I gather you think you’ve somehow scored a point, by pointing out that WordPress’s conditions are available online. But I’m not interested in WordPress’s terms of service, I’m interested in what rules are applied for commenting here.

446336 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Mark, 3, #641 of 2015 🔗

Why is any discussion of censorship on here today attracting large numbers of negative votes?

446556 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 4, #642 of 2015 🔗

A reasonable question, I think….

445958 Awkward Git, 4, #643 of 2015 🔗

Here’s the new template for the MSM to follow:

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php

North Korea’s favourite online news site.

445964 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 6, #644 of 2015 🔗

Good news from ‘Science’.

Lobotomies, Thalidimode and stopping DDT spraying in Africa so millions can die of Malaria, now settled, consensus science and will be enforced.

If you suffer from a headache a Lobotomoy is for you. Leprosy, cancer ? Inject Thalidomide at our free centre. Worried about pesticides? Stop DDT spraying watch your family die of Malaria. Also helps reduce your ‘carbon’ footprint.

All are 95% effective.

Download the requisite track and trace apps.

445970 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to FerdIII, 5, #645 of 2015 🔗

Always mention lobotomies to Lockdown Nazis and Vaccine fanatics.

445994 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #646 of 2015 🔗

In other words, give them a piece of your mind.

446030 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Londo Mollari, 13, #647 of 2015 🔗

Absolutely. I previously had epilepsy and for decades, partial lobotomy was “available” as a treatment for certain types of epilepsy (including the one I had). Problem was, you became barely functional post lobotomy.

Roll on the early 1990s and a teenage Dubliner with epilepsy turned up in the main neurological hospital in Dublin, telling the doctors that he was going to become an accountant (insert joke here about a lobotomy being a career advantage for an accountant!).

They realised that the “normal” surgical treatment of a partial lobotomy would not work for this patient and researched other options, settling on a treatment developed to treat schizophrenia, but which showed positive results in curing epilepsy (apparently the population that is schizophrenic is more likely to have epilepsy than the population without schizophrenia – hence how they noticed the effect of this treatment on epilepsy).

Anyway, after a few years of on/off tests, I underwent this less invasive treatment in 1992 in lieu of a partial lobotomy and am now the only lockdown sceptic amongst my friends/family.

446078 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #648 of 2015 🔗

Wow! You sure had to learn to stand up for yourself early!

446431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to JayBee, #650 of 2015 🔗

Very interesting article – thanks for sharing it.

446053 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #651 of 2015 🔗

also daily reminder that most “doctors” were in favour of eugenics
from all sides of the political spectrum
Probably still are on the downlow

445973 Basileus, 6, #652 of 2015 🔗

Lord Sumption on Lockdown Video from Unherd:

https://youtu.be/5lXAA7ZOROc

445974 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #653 of 2015 🔗

Swayne posting on Facebook about his vaccine. Urging us all to take it so we can get back to normal.

Is this some kind of middle ground accommodation? You take the vaccine and we’ll take this boot off your neck?

446007 ▶▶ leggy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #654 of 2015 🔗

He can’t really believe that getting jabbed restores normality can he?

446013 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #655 of 2015 🔗

Oh FFS not him too! Another one bites the dust.

446074 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Ganjan21, #656 of 2015 🔗

What not OUR MP – that’s on our side? So we thought…….

446120 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #657 of 2015 🔗

There are two issues here. Lockdowns and vaccines. He is strongly anti lockdown and hasn’t bitten the dust on that . Last time I checked this site was Lockdownsceptics not Vaccinesceptics. Does it matter if 90% of the country takes the vaccine and we open up as long as noone is forced to take it?

446240 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to arfurmo, 4, #658 of 2015 🔗

I agree, but he said ‘make sure you get yours (vaccine), so that we can all get back to normal life’. That is what irks me. I dont really care who takes the bloody vaccine, I’ll take it myself in about 10 years if its proved safe, but the coercion for us all to have it to lift our freedoms is NOT fair.

446292 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ganjan21, 3, #659 of 2015 🔗

Exactly. He can have the vaccine if he wants. But why does he need to tweet about it, and especially why does he have to tell all of us to have it too or we won’t be allowed to have a normal life again?

446021 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #660 of 2015 🔗

All the Cons are pro experimental drugs. No idea why. There is no science to any of it, and they don’t stop transmission and they kill and injure. Maybe Swanky can explain the dead and injured as he expounds jabbing (or the dead since end of Jan if the jab is effective?)

446085 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to FerdIII, 9, #661 of 2015 🔗

There is no science to any of it, and they don’t stop transmission and they kill and injure

There are issues with the vaccine. The key ones being long term effects and immunity.

However, it’s very likely that they do inhibit transmission and, while there are adverse events, they are clearly relatively rare. If serious side effects were common it would be impossible to conceal them. Everyone would know people who had experienced them. I know plenty of people who have been vaccinated. I don’t know anyone who has had anything more than feeling rough for a couple of days.

Not sure what you mean by “no science to any of it”.

446186 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mayo, #662 of 2015 🔗

Wishful thinking.
And Fred is right: the science there is is dodgy (HIT, non-isolation of the virus) or biased and statistically irrelevant (trials).
And no one here gives a damn about the shortterm side effects of the experimental gene therapies.
It is the absolutely unknowable medium to long term ones, in conjunction with often not being much at risk (negative individual risk/benefit profile) and the strong sense that ‘this thing stinks’- on many fronts- which make us sceptical.

446045 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #663 of 2015 🔗

Was his objection that lockdown’s weren’t the way to go, obviously thinks vaccines are

446065 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #664 of 2015 🔗

He can Fuck right off !

446289 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #665 of 2015 🔗

I saw that. Very disappointed in him!

445977 DThom, replying to DThom, 10, #666 of 2015 🔗

Headlines from a local North East rag
“Anti-vaxxers in Hartlepool causing severe harm and must be stopped’ say health chiefs.
Health chiefs have hit out at those spreading anti vaccination claims after reports of stickers promoting the views being placed around Hartlepool.
A local health Trust spokesperson says “we need to ensure that any fear is calmed and that people are educated” he goes on “the only way we will control Covid and get back to a degree of normality will be everyone taking their social responsibility and personal responsibility to get vaccinated”
Another expert!

445992 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to DThom, 8, #667 of 2015 🔗

Health Chiefs in the North East need to think about how they have weaponised Covid. I have some family up there and for months they were terrorised by the media, telling them the cemetories had their gates locked so ‘it wouldnt upset people when they saw the lines of refrigerated lorries there, and taping off seats where anyone walked to stop them sitting for a rest as it would be dangerous not to, etc.

447069 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to DanClarke, #668 of 2015 🔗

Don’t worry, when they come looking for you,they’ll no doubt string up a monkey. They do have form, tha knos!

445999 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to DThom, 11, #669 of 2015 🔗

“Any fear is calmed and that people are educated”. Haven’t they just spent the past year scaring the crap out of us? Haven’t they failed to mention any of the potential harms of the vaccine? Ministry of Truth in action.

446068 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DThom, 11, #670 of 2015 🔗

“we need to ensure that any fear is calmed and that people are educated

Now with what situation do we associate that sort of language?? 🙂

Anybody for re-education camps?

446164 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to RickH, #671 of 2015 🔗

New York state assembly bill A416 is!

445981 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 16, #672 of 2015 🔗

On Unherd TV Lord Sumption says that civil disobedience is coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXAA7ZOROc

446195 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #673 of 2015 🔗

I seriously doubt it, too many sheep are still far too comfortable with the situation. The pain and suffering needs to affect more of these individuals, until then why would they disobey?

Maybe, possibly, when the jabees find out that their 2 weeks in the sun is not going to happen, and they still need to be muzzled and bubbled despite suffering the adverse effects of the jab, maybe then the sheep might start revolting.

446196 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #674 of 2015 🔗

I was enjoying the interview until he said he couldn’t see a problem with vaccine passports and all taking the vaccine. Another fucker paid off.

447297 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Andrew K, -1, #675 of 2015 🔗

I think that Sumption and Hitchens aren’t even aware of the facts regarding the gene therapy.

445984 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #676 of 2015 🔗

Here’s a handy website I’ve found:

https://www.pfizersafetyreporting.com/#/en

445986 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #677 of 2015 🔗
445988 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 11, #678 of 2015 🔗

If you were a Galway student having to write a reflective essay, well, you could really go to town on that one. A blistering takedown of lockdowns and rules and collateral damage, fully referenced because there’s loads of evidence at this point. How could the Uni then exact further punishment, without publicly showing their complete disregard for academic freedom?

445991 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #679 of 2015 🔗

That’s what I thought. But they’re banning Dr Seuss – or six of his books.

446003 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #680 of 2015 🔗

I’m surprised no one’s gone after the Mr Men yet…

446023 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #681 of 2015 🔗

I suppose Noddy’s been cancelled, has he?

446116 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #682 of 2015 🔗

Mr Potato Head has been neutered

446017 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Fear is Finite, 5, #683 of 2015 🔗

It always amuses me that universities have the power to punish their customers. Should it not be the other way around?

445989 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 23, #684 of 2015 🔗

The government decides to lock us down for a year which ruins the economy, and now we are the ones who will have to pay for it? Oh, but it’s ok as at least the Chancellor is being “honest” about it. Honest? That would be a first.

446002 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Liz F, 5, #685 of 2015 🔗

My first thought too, an honest chancellor!!

446110 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Liz F, 1, #686 of 2015 🔗

What’s dishonest about saying that there is no magic tree and all of Rashfords free meals , increases in UC etc are going to need paying for?

445998 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 18, #687 of 2015 🔗

Malcolm Kendrick:

I have studied the history of medicine, and medical interventions, for many years. The most extreme disasters have always followed a fairly distinct pattern. A series of steps, if you like.

Step one = we have a serious disease that is killing lots of people.

Step two = it creates great fear, and the medical profession has nothing much in place to deal with it.

Step three = a charismatic leader emerges to decree that he (almost always a ‘he’ up to now) knows how to treat it/control it, etc. This is ‘the idea’.

Step four = The ‘idea’ is enthusiastically taken up around the world and becomes mainstream thinking.

Step five = the ‘idea’ becomes standard practice.

Step six – the ‘idea’ is taught to medics and becomes accepted truth, a fact.

Step seven = anyone who goes against the ‘idea’ is ruthlessly attacked.

There is always, of course, the possibility that the ‘idea’ is the best thing to do. This happens from time to time. However, there seems to be little or no correlation between the enthusiasm, and speed, with which ideas are taken up, and the likelihood they are correct.
The problem, as I came to recognise, lies between step two and step four. By which I mean that a charismatic figure convinces everyone that they have the answer, before there is any evidence to support it. The person may not be charismatic, simply someone who has the ability to grab attention and push the ‘idea’ forward. Such as the Chinese Premier.

Another thing that leads to disaster, which is perhaps of even greater importance, is that the ‘idea’ must sound like the most obvious common sense. It should trigger a response along the lines of ‘Yes, of course, that sounds perfectly reasonable’. Once that’s been achieved, the ‘idea’ drops neatly into people’s minds, settles down, and grows roots, creating not a ripple of cognitive dissonance.

At which point it cements itself in, and becomes difficult, even painful, to remove.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/01/27/does-lockdown-work-or-not/

446314 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to JayBee, 2, #689 of 2015 🔗

He’s great, love his blog.

446004 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, #690 of 2015 🔗

Congratulations to brand Rishi, for playing toy town economics, with fake money. Massive achievement, I’m sure his Mum must be very proud that he’s just helped to obliterate the lives of millions.

446006 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PoshPanic, #691 of 2015 🔗

His wife made some more coin so f**k the plebs

446020 Steve F, replying to Steve F, 15, #692 of 2015 🔗

It was good to see Phil Shannon’s piece on the front page this morning. I have a neighbour who describes himself as a revolutionary socialist (although curiously a fan of Blair) and is fairly cynical about the current response to the Covids but won’t listen to anything I try to tell him because I read Lockdown Sceptics and he petulantly objects to anything associated with Toby Young. I’ve just copied Shannon’s article to aforementioned red neighbour (with a link to leftlockdownsceptics ) in the hope it that might wake him up to the fact that you can object to lockdown tyranny without necessarily being right wing.
It might have helped bring a few more people over to our trench if some Labour MPs had shown the courage to defy their leadership. Some did during the Brexit saga because it wasn’t simply a left/right Party issue and indeed it was the traditional working classes who so keenly supported it. This Covid/lockdown war is not a Party issue either but, unfortunately, the only principled dissenters have been on the Tory backbenches (and one or two from the DUP) . I feel there are plenty more sceptics out there who would add their weight to the cause if only they weren’t dissuaded by its association with the Tories.
I wasn’t previously aware of the existence of leftlockdownsceptics but, now that I am, I will promote it to other Labour voting folk I know.

446046 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve F, 8, #693 of 2015 🔗

LLDS has always been a cracking read no matter what your politics

446128 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #694 of 2015 🔗

Having now found it, I’ve just spent most of the past hour reading it. I’ll go back later. You’re right: it’s “a cracking read ” and there’s a good range of opinion from both sides of the (irrelevant) political divide. It’s such a pity that people’s political loyalties or prejudices so often prevent them from alliance with others whose common aim is often pretty similar.

446139 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve F, 2, #695 of 2015 🔗

Also worth referring them to Simon Elmer at Architects for Social Housing.

446159 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Steve F, -2, #696 of 2015 🔗

What a dumb dumb. Let him live in his echo chamber!

446160 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Steve F, -4, #697 of 2015 🔗

I see that invested self-illusion aka ‘self-identifying’ is breaking down through its own self-contradictions. You can choose to die with your illusions rather than release and be released. Jesus spoke to true Need.
Perhaps the internecine futility shall yet give way to a recognition of Self in other as Brother and of one Life in All That Is.
It would seem that each of us makes a choice to live or die, but that no one is truly locked down, distanced and alone in lies, be-lived true. For the disposition of freedom is joy in being and a natural radiance that unselfconsciously shines on the just and the unjust.
To let our self be defined by what we hate, is to be framed in hidden hate. That is why Jesus said “resist ye not evil’ – for the power to undo, heal or correct is not IN the fear that fear and hate lockdown and mask in.
Mistaken Identity can be called a false flag, a psyop or deceit or a novel conceit.
We are free to give attention and value to the conflicted and meaningless, as if THAT must be where Meaning is found or restored. But we will never KNOW ourselves free under false premises and following false profits. And so the carrot is always just in front of an ass!
Love identifies truly. Look past the masking personae.
There is a baby in the bathwater for every blanket judgement.
And by what right must others live up to yours – or anyone’s terms and conditions to be worthy of their own lives?

446275 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Binra, 4, #698 of 2015 🔗

Sorry, didn’t catch any of that. Probably my fault but could you write it again in Engish, please?

446763 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Steve F, #699 of 2015 🔗

Psyop > mind capture > polarised identity = inability to see or hear truth.

When the masking ‘identity’ breaks to reveal the true need, you will find ears to hear. Meanwhile fear ensures your filters and defences operate against questioning your experience.

447049 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Steve F, 1, #700 of 2015 🔗

Binra is obviously scrambled b-r-a-i-n.

447176 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Bungle, 1, #701 of 2015 🔗

He (or she) has scrambled mine.

446025 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 27, #702 of 2015 🔗

If I make the statemeent:

“All swans are white”

then all it takes to disprove that statement is the sighting of one non-white swan.

If I make the statement:

“Without lockdowns, masks and SD many more people would have died, therefore we need these measures everywhere”

then all I need to disprove that statement is the sighting of one country – or other jurisdiction – with no lockdowns, masks or SD, but with a normal death rate.

446034 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to rockoman, 2, #703 of 2015 🔗

You’d think, right? But these days people argue black is white

446274 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to sophie123, 1, #704 of 2015 🔗

They certainly argue that black people are white supremacists, such as Candace Owen, because she has the wrong political view.

446035 ▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 1, #705 of 2015 🔗

No, not really. There are factors other than a direct link between lockdowns and death rates in play. For example, if a country has a high level of background immunity, they might not lockdown and still might not have an increased death-rate, whereas, hypothetically, a country with low levels of immunity might suffer more. You also have general population health and age; prior death totals and things like this. The swan example is based on one variable only: the colour of swans.

446057 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to jb12, 4, #706 of 2015 🔗

In which case:

““Without lockdowns, masks and SD many more people would have died, therefore we need these measures everywhere”

is still untrue.

Meaning other variables are associated withany difference in the death rate.

446091 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 4, #707 of 2015 🔗

I don’t think you can separate the effects of lockdowns and other variables very easily though, especially when the data is of poor standard and the lockdowns have not been generally enforced or enforced evenly across the world. At best, your statement can be unlikely rather than untrue. Lockdowns clearly do something whether that is lowering death rates, increasing death rates, pushing the deaths back for a time or whatever. My position has always been I don’t give a shit if a bunch of old people die or if a bunch of sick and/or obese people are hospitalised. Selfish, I know, but for me death is inevitable; your health is your own business; risk assessment should be made by the individual; and, not under any circumstances, should you ever forcibly shut down society as has been done the last year.

446147 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to jb12, 2, #708 of 2015 🔗

No. For something to have an effect it must show a significant deviation from the Null Hypothesis.

Can you show and demonstrate repeatability that action leads to effect? Otherwise if there was no action but a variation how do you know what it was?

You can’t state that lockdowns do something because you can’t measure the effect.

Astrology does something too.
As does voodoo.

446176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to mhcp, -1, #709 of 2015 🔗

Funny, I study ‘alternate’ or ‘irrational’ knowledge systems academically.

You can’t state that lockdowns do something because you can’t measure the effect.’

So you think lockdowns have had no effect at all? I can cite a stat that suggests they do indeed have an effect: that there are just under 1,000 deaths from home per week above the 5 year average. That is lockdown doing something. My point is looking at overall mortality and doing a bald comparison between countries that did some form of lockdown vs nothing is not useful.

446375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to jb12, 2, #710 of 2015 🔗

Lockdowns have had an effect. If the examples of Florida, New York, California, South Dakota, Nepal, Sweden, are anything to go by, they’ve had little to no effect on the death rate, but have had enormous collateral damage in increased suicides, at-home deaths, and economic destruction,as well as giving a lot of would-be dictators free reign to impose rules on everyone but themselves.

446105 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, 34, #711 of 2015 🔗

We still can’t prove lockdowns don’t work. Yes there are other factors but the argument still stands that it would be worse without lockdowns (I don’t believe this, by the way).

The only reasonably convincing argument is given by Joel Smalley who uses dates of deaths and the mean time period between initial infection and death to produce a ‘proxy’ reconstruction of INITIAL infections by date.

The progression of the infection spread appears unaffected by interventions.

446129 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, -8, #712 of 2015 🔗

You don’t prove a negative.

Arguing that it would be worse without a lockdown has no context because you need a control to determine that.

So it is an assertion that without lockdowns it would be worse.

Real life has shown that to be untrue anyway.

446144 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 3, #713 of 2015 🔗

That argument still survives in the U.S., but only just:

‘It took long enough, but it’s now official: Governors who continue to impose lockdowns and mask mandates are fast becoming as popular as Red Sox fans in the Yankee Stadium bleachers, at least in half of the country. The internal polling is out, and the draconian restrictions are being abandoned in droves. History will not be kind to the remaining high-handed holdouts.’

https://www.aier.org/article/16-states-are-now-following-the-science/

446152 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #714 of 2015 🔗

‘Los Angeles County has been under the most intense lockdown/suppression orders anywhere. Look at the comparison to the states of Florida, Texas and Arizona. Texas and Arizona got a little panicky at points and had some significant suppression efforts. Florida basically said no way early on. If you age-adjusted this, Florida would look even more impressive, and Arizona not quite as high. While Los Angeles County looked pretty good initially, at the current time, age-adjusted it is probably the worst of the group. Mitigation, schmitigation.’

https://healthy-skeptic.com/2021/02/17/lovely-curves-of-synchronicity/

446380 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #715 of 2015 🔗

We won’t mention New York, with one of the most stringent lockdowns and highest per capita death toll in America.

446212 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Mayo, 1, #716 of 2015 🔗

Ivor Cummins has done a pretty good job as well, showing the same info. Its easier to follow on Youtube than Twitter.

446376 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mayo, #717 of 2015 🔗

All lockdowns have done is slow the spread, maybe, but nothing to the overall trajectory of infections or death tolls. Except to stop people being able to monitor the abuses in care homes and hospitals.

446106 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to jb12, -4, #718 of 2015 🔗

Do you mean that you can always regroup in diversionary evasions by which to cover your arse?
If there was any real address of ‘other factors’ then we would have seen science serving reason.

if you take the bait of a deadly pandemic contagion for real, then you are phished to run under identity theft.

The use of vague and indeterminate language to couch fear porn as if AN OFFER YOU MUST NOT REFUSE! is explicitly designed to bypass rational evaluation by triggering emotional reaction as the framing of thought.

You have been had. The Good News is where the humiliation seems to be. For the truth of You is now free to re-embrace your life – instead of running in someone else’s manipulation of your hopes and fears.

446131 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Binra, 4, #719 of 2015 🔗

Give it a rest. I can question whatever I like.

446041 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rockoman, 3, #720 of 2015 🔗

There are black swans in Dawlish, under house arrest for having burd flu.

446089 ▶▶ Binra, replying to rockoman, -3, #721 of 2015 🔗

But the refusal to listen is the wilful dissociation from a true relationship/communication.
Having witnessed to truth, don’t be played by endless ‘variations’ of the same baiting.
Withdraw extension of credibility and worth or meaning from that which reveals itself both meaningless and destructive to the establishing of a worthy basis to live, think or align in.

Those who clearly believe they NEED to align in narratives that are without substance or truth, are masking in what they believe it gives or gets them. Those with the leverage to coordinate such a lockstep of regulatory capture believe that a ‘Chinese’ style technocratic ‘society’ or system is their right to impose and used for their own ends. It sees and cultivates humans as ‘Skinner’s Rats’ – or mechanically conditioned responses.
The undermining of the capacity for human thought, communication and relationships of cultural enrichment has been pursued as a corporate-led agenda for a long time.

Back to your focus; is any experiment or study needed to predict anything BUT a significantly negative outcome from top-down denial, dissociation and deprivations that induce poverty and dependence alongside dictates for compliance that credits permitted and regulated ‘freedoms’ ?

Quite apart from the culling of the discarded.

446370 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to rockoman, 2, #722 of 2015 🔗

The onus should have been on the government and its advisors to prove that draconian lockdown works, not for us to prove the opposite.

446029 Binra, replying to Binra, -8, #723 of 2015 🔗

Noise to signal ratio:
Noise includes persistent repetitive propagation of arguments set in the frame of disinformation.

The Lie becomes the bandwagon effect – as if with a life of its own.
Its behaviour can be described as a pathogenic hijack of the mind to then use minds to reproduce in lockstep with the father of the Lie.

Did you ever wonder how a rebellion in Heaven could have possibly occurred?
Why in Heaven’s Name would any Spirit align in hate against love?
(Ssssssss-sh! this never Truly Happened), but the mind conflicted in FEAR be-lived as true set the motion of a masking dissociation of locking down denial, dissociating from all that is cast out, under masking as narrative identity dictate.

The underlying themes are in a sense archetypal patterns that repeat – regardless the ‘modern scientific’ fig-leaves by which to present a targeted cover story to hide a lack of substance. (How many here have actually read or learned of the shenanigans that deliver the ‘discovery’ of a novel leverage from which a new biosecurity state can be invoked to shut our eyes and our minds from the Freedom to Discover and Share in Truth?)

Do you WANT to abnegate your will, to live as a prop for someone else’s dissociative disorder – and thus suffer your own?
Aligning in will is true willingness, aligning in a cover-up is always locking down the will under the mask of self-justification or virtue, so as to protect the fear from disclosure.

My reading for the day:
https://lessons.acim.org/en/chapters/lesson-101
‘God’s will for me is perfect happiness’.
(As an antidote to Room 101, you can read to discern the underlying theme even if not your preferred terminology).

446153 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Binra, #724 of 2015 🔗

Upvotes being counted as downvotes blip.

446033 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #725 of 2015 🔗

Found this website for the scientific types out there:

https://newdrugapprovals.org/?s=ALC-0315+ALC-0159&submit=

Look what it says when you scroll through the report:

The ongoing Phase III trial, which is scheduled to run from 2020 to 2022, is designed to assess the ability of BNT162b2 to prevent severe infection, as well as the duration of immune effect.[20][21][22]

Pfizer and BioNTech started a Phase II/III randomized control trial in healthy pregnant women 18 years of age and older (NCT04754594).[60] The study will evaluate 30 µg of BNT162b2 or placebo administered via intramuscular injection in 2 doses, 21 days apart. The Phase II portion of the study will include approximately 350 pregnant women randomized 1:1 to receive BNT162b2 or placebo at 27 to 34 weeks’ gestation. The Phase III portion of this study will assess the safety, tolerability, and immunogenicity of BNT162b2 or placebo among pregnant women enrolled at 24 to 34 weeks’ gestation. Pfizer and BioNTech announced on 18 February 2021 that the first participants received their first dose in this trial.[61]

I guess this is the confirmation that the mass vaccination programme is in fact Phases 2 and 3 of the trials?

Or anyone else got a different take on it?

446043 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #726 of 2015 🔗

No. You’ve got it in one.

… which is an admission that, if you are vaccinated, then you are, by definition, accepting an under-tested novel product.

446044 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 25, #727 of 2015 🔗

Here is the official page for the pregnant women trial:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04754594

  1. Inclusion Criteria:Healthy women ≥18 years of age who are between 24 0/7 and 34 0/7 weeks’ gestation on the day of planned vaccination, with an uncomplicated, singleton pregnancy, who are at no known increased risk for complications.

So they are deliberately injecting pregnant women with an experimental drug that adverse reporting systems are showing mounting correlation with miscarriages to see if they miscarriage or not?

Sounds more and more like Nazi Germany and Communist China every day.

446055 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #728 of 2015 🔗

And this line:

“5. Participant is willing to give informed consent for her infant to participate in the study”

446066 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #729 of 2015 🔗

Definitely one of the more shocking aspects of this imo – and I’m someone who never wanted/had children. I’ve got visions of in years to come there being a cohort of vaxxed children alive and ill and it’s their own mothers fault!!! There’s times where one really does NOT have the right to speak/decide for someone else (and that applies particularly to a foetus in one’s womb – provided it was your choice to be pregnant).

447330 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to ElizaP, #730 of 2015 🔗

Ah, women got what they wanted: abortion on tap.

This whole show is the culmination of women’s rights and the demoralisation of men.

446072 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #731 of 2015 🔗

It’s beyond me to understand why a pregnant women would risk being a part of such a trial.

446098 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to godowneasy, 6, #732 of 2015 🔗

Because if by now you’ve spent one year listening to total fear and propaganda, people will be willing to do anything if they think it will save them.

446265 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Andrew K, 1, #733 of 2015 🔗

And didn’t Jonathon Van Tam say it was a conspiracy theory that it wasn’t safe for pregnant women? Or did i misunderstand?

447336 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to godowneasy, #734 of 2015 🔗

Because virtue signalling is far more important than the health of their child.

Do you really think you are living in a country where parents love their children? About 20 per cent do. The rest clearly HATE them.

Do’nt worry: soon everyone will be dead !

446119 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #735 of 2015 🔗

One thing I really do not understand is that, if these are Phase 3 trials – which they are – then where is the control group? Are some people getting actual vakzines, and some just salt water (or the meningitis vax, which is what AZ used in its ealier trials, I believe). If there IS a control group, which by definition there HAS to be or it’s not a trial, how do we actually know who’s had the magick jab, and who hasn’t?

446207 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Suet, 8, #736 of 2015 🔗

I’m putting myself in the control group by not having it until we see what happens. Only then can an informed decision be made.

446219 ▶▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #737 of 2015 🔗

Me too, obviously.

But a further look (just the Fizzer jab; I can’t be fagged to troll through it all: it’ll be the same for the others) shows that it seems that some people are being given a placebo, some are being given a ‘low’ dose, some are being given a ‘mid’ dose and some (18-55 yrs) are being given a ‘high’ dose. There’s an option for those who’ve received a placebo to be given an actual dose later. Imagine being told that you’ve been given nothing, all the time thinking you’re ‘protected’ when you’re not! Such lols to come.

Info from: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

447475 ▶▶▶ FW, replying to Suet, #738 of 2015 🔗

Apparently, the people in the ‘control’ groups for Pfizer and AZ ‘vaccines’ were subsequently offered the actual vaccines. Most accepted, so what little element of control there was has been lost. Not sure where l read this.

446188 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #739 of 2015 🔗

The latest Yellow Card report for Pfizer shows under the category “Abortion spontaneous” for the period up to 21/2/2021 a total of 16.

The previous report for the period up to 14/2/2021 shows a total of 8. This is an increase in 8 in the last week alone.

Purely coincidence again, I suppose.

446193 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #740 of 2015 🔗
446060 leggy, replying to leggy, 3, #741 of 2015 🔗

A letter to the Times, 1896 I believe. Regarding smallpox and vaccinations. Interesting from a historical perspective.

446103 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to leggy, #742 of 2015 🔗

I’m afraid that is coming out too small to read-is there a way to view it that anyone knows of please?

446173 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to arfurmo, 10, #743 of 2015 🔗

Slow work day – I’ve typed it out for you:

SMALLPOX IN GLOUCESTER

To the Editor of The Times

Sir, – Having just left Gloucester, after making inquiry into the outbreak of smallpox in the southern half of the city, I am able to correct some of the misapprehensions set forth in the account given by your correspondent in The Times of to-day. He speaks of the outbreak as “one of the most appalling” which has of late “visited any provincial town in England.” But he forgets that it is only three years since Willenhall, with 71,684 inhabitants, had 842 cases of smallpox. To equal this attack rate Gloucester, with 41,000 inhabitants, should have 1,900 cases instead of 700.

The remarkable fact about the Gloucester epidemic is the immunity of North Gloucester from the disease. Yet it’s population is at least as little vaccinate as that of South Gloucester, which practically monopolizes the outbreak. The mortality among those who kept out of the hospital has not been excessive. In the hospital, where cases have been aggregated in heaps, under the strange plea of isolation, the mortality has been heavy, much heavier than in pre-vaccination times. But any system that puts three of four smallpox patients in a bed, by way of “isolating” them, is calculated to have these results.

Gloucester empties is sewage into the Severn, and when its scanty water supply runs short it drinks the mixture in the river. I owe it to the courtesy of the city surveyor that I have seen the plans for the three sewers that carry the sewage to the river. Speaking broadly, two of these sewers, the south and the central, drain the infected portion of the city, while the north sewer drains that part of the city which is free from infection. It seems likely that the cause of the outbreak will be found to be more or less connected with these sewage arrangements. The stench from some of the sewers, which are ventilated by manholes and gullies is very bad. I was informed that several of the covers of manholes round the infectious hospital have been plugged up with blocks of wood – a significant comment on exhalations from them.

While the immunity of North Gloucester proves that some other cause than the absence of vaccination must be sought for the prevalence of the disease in South Gloucester, the latter affords many other proofs that vaccination is irrelevant. A woman thrice vaccinated died of the disease in Howard-street. A little girl of six, twice vaccinated, had the disease severely. In some households the unvaccinated members have escaped, while the vaccinated took smallpox. The vaccinated mistress of the Widden-street school introduced it among her scholars ; vaccinated persons introduced the infection ; and so on.

The lesson to be learnt from Gloucester is, not that vaccination is the only hope of the city, but that the pollutions of the Severn by sewage must cease, and that the drainage of the city must be carried out in a safer way. A new water supply is to be carried into the city shortly, and will help push the sewage more quickly along drains and sewers. But to get rid of liability to zymotic epidemics by which it has been plagued, and to raise it to the sanitary level of Leicester, say, an entire reform of the drainage system is obviously needed by the city of Gloucester.

I am, Sir, your obedient servant,

April 1, A. Phelps

446213 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to leggy, 1, #744 of 2015 🔗

Thanks -wish I could touch type -that would have taken me ages

447088 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to leggy, #745 of 2015 🔗

Thank you so, so much. How interesting, how knowledgable and how elegant. Rather shames all of us don’t you think?

446108 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to leggy, #746 of 2015 🔗

unreadable and dated April 1st

446344 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to leggy, #747 of 2015 🔗

Certainly interesting insofar as people who knew nothing sounded off with huge confidence about vaccination then, and they still do now. The smallpox vaccination campaign was undeniably one of the triumphs of medical history.

446063 FenTyger, replying to FenTyger, 14, #748 of 2015 🔗

Can’t wait for “Long Covid”? Try “Covid Instant” just add Pfizer

446069 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to FenTyger, 15, #749 of 2015 🔗

I’m suffering from Long Lockdown

446077 ▶▶▶ FenTyger, replying to Major Panic, 5, #750 of 2015 🔗

I’m working through all of the bottles of spirits that have accumulated over the years to alleviate “Long Lockdown”. Can someone please tell me why I have a bottle of Pernod? More importantly how can I drink it?

446087 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to FenTyger, 3, #751 of 2015 🔗

Water and ice to taste.

446204 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to FenTyger, 1, #752 of 2015 🔗

Open mouth and apply neck of bottle (for a bad day).

446150 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Major Panic, 4, #753 of 2015 🔗

I’m suffering from Boris Bullsh*t.
And Ferguson Fakery.

446086 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FenTyger, 6, #754 of 2015 🔗

Because no-one in the history of the world has ever had a cold that hung around for weeks and weeks after the initial illness

446073 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #755 of 2015 🔗

I’m feeling a level of distress today that’s actually become physical. This is going to be a tough day 🙁

446123 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #756 of 2015 🔗

Go for a walk, Jo. If you feel up to it. Hope you’ll feel better soon. x

446146 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #757 of 2015 🔗

We’re all feeling it one way or another. As Nymeria says, got outside for a walk. Being outside helps. And smile at anyone you meet. You should hopefully get a few smiles back.

447339 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Jo Starlin, #758 of 2015 🔗

Have you thought of taking up alchohol?

I drink a glass of Belgian beer a day.

Now I have just bought some wine, some seven bottles including a Bordeaux from 1966 which needs to be decanted.

I shall drink them before I kill myself some time maybe this Christmas. One has to have something to look forward to.

446075 wiaruz, replying to wiaruz, #759 of 2015 🔗

The link to leftlockdownsceptics.com doesn’t work. In fact the website seems inaccessible.

446081 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 13, #761 of 2015 🔗

I’ve enjoyed watching some of the interviews that have been done with Neil Oliver who explains the current situation in a very calm and reasoned way. He is getting quite a bit of sceptical fan mail now and although no one seems to know his address, the letters are still getting through!

446121 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Biggles, 5, #762 of 2015 🔗

He is quietly excellent. Listen to his podcast, the love letter to the British Isles. Especially the one about St. Nectan’s Glen. That’s so inspiring, because it’s about a secret history of underground popular belief that has survived all the machinations of all the monarchs and armies and parliaments and bureaucrats and still survives today.

446097 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 72, #763 of 2015 🔗

Some of my bf’s university peers held a gathering (c. 50 people) in a field last weekend. All attendees young, fit, healthy. The Covid vaccine is now being administered to vulnerable and rates of cases, deaths, and hospitalisations are falling, either through the vaccine, seasonality, natural herd immunity, or a combination of all three. We have all suffered through an unthinkable 12 months under some of the most inhumane restrictions to ever be enacted in peacetime. In a sane world, we should all be gathering and getting on with our lives now. But, the police and university got involved and the students are being fined.

However, the irony of gathering 50 students in the accommodation chapel to ‘discipline’ them over a gathering in a field was clearly lost on the university.

This whole farce isn’t an exercise in protecting public health, it’s an assault on spontaneity, fun, and the human spirit.

446102 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Poppy, 1, #764 of 2015 🔗

How did they find out?
Tattle tales get battle tailed

446220 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #765 of 2015 🔗

Locals ratted them out, sadly.

446237 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Poppy, 2, #766 of 2015 🔗

Useful idiots programmed by the state.

446104 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Poppy, 11, #767 of 2015 🔗

Give me a way to contact you and I’ll take up the legal challenge for you.

446114 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Poppy, 11, #768 of 2015 🔗

It is the age-old Puritan streak, in a new and revivified guise, and it must be fought, as it was before, with ruthless joy. The human spirit ALWAYS wins.

446180 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #769 of 2015 🔗

Yes, I think there is an element of that for sure. I previously noted how quickly in the early to mid 1500s England went from being a pretty carefree Catholic country to an exceptionally dour and religiose culture under early Protestantism during King Edward VI’s reign where even people in Court dressed in drab attire.

I’m not a Catholic but one can see Protestantism as a virtue signalling religion above all else. We seem to be enduring something similar with the rise of PC ideology

446206 ▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to OKUK, 3, #770 of 2015 🔗

Catholicism left space for the unruly, magical, disruptive and ambiguous – not because it believed in those things, but because it had fifteen hundred years’ pragmatic experience of coexisting with the human spirit. All those things were extremely dirty words to the fanatics of early Protestantism. (I was raised a Methodist, by the way. But I’m better now.)

447347 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 1, #771 of 2015 🔗

Can’t believe I am stuck in this miserable puritan cuntry. I hate everyonE!

446118 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Poppy, 10, #772 of 2015 🔗

I recommend that you and your boyfriend leave the UK while that is still possible.

The UK doesn’t have such a bright future.

446137 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to rockoman, 5, #773 of 2015 🔗

Not sure anywhere does.

446138 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, 6, #774 of 2015 🔗

Where would they go? USA. Canada, Australia and New Zealand are all as dodgy as here. India seems relatively simple but without Indian heritage it would be v difficult to migrate there and war with Pakistan or China is an unsettling prospect.

446172 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to OKUK, 1, #775 of 2015 🔗

Dollar Vigilante makes it seem like things are pretty normal in Mexico.

446181 ▶▶▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to awildgoose, 3, #776 of 2015 🔗

My problem with these places is how do you get a job? The digital nomad thing won’t last forever and any of the numbers I run look a lot like near poverty wages for the large majority of them.

446208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #777 of 2015 🔗

Poor but free may seem like paradise in the not too distant future.

446230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to merlin, 4, #778 of 2015 🔗

My grand plan involves learning to enjoy less and less, more and more, and when my health gives way, a bottle of good Armagnac and a handful of pills.

447352 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #779 of 2015 🔗

What pills? Nembutal is IMPOSSIBLE to get hold of. So far it has been mentioned paracetemols and also two disposable BBQs.

What pills are you going to use?

447543 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to FedupofLies, #780 of 2015 🔗

I don’t want this to descend into a conversation about suicide methods. But, for the information of the general public, I feel compelled to say DO NOT TAKE A PARACETAMOL OVERDOSE, PEOPLE. Liver failure is not a good way to go.

446183 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to awildgoose, -1, #781 of 2015 🔗

Obrador seems to be a true populist for sure.

446194 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to OKUK, 10, #782 of 2015 🔗

Obviously depends on job and business opportunities, resources etc.

I admit the choice is very limited right now – perhaps Dubai would be the best bet.

However, I think most countries in the world are too poor to believe in nonsense for very long, whereas I think this whole thing is just beginning for the West.

The whole ‘working from home’ thing is encouraging however in its implications.

If I were President John Magafuli, then I would be investing in Zanzibar’s Internet connectivity and starting an immigration program for westerners wth money and/or skills, who wish to live a fully human life.

446124 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Poppy, 10, #783 of 2015 🔗

“This whole farce isn’t an exercise in protecting public health, it’s an assault on spontaneity, fun, and the human spirit.”

A symptom of stupidity no matter how you analyse it.

446132 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Poppy, 20, #784 of 2015 🔗

The students should tell them where to shove it and demand their money back.
It’s about time the students start protesting against these university fascists.

446145 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to LMS2, 12, #785 of 2015 🔗

What happened to students and critical thinking? Now it’s just dumb selfishness and no interest for the only world they’ve got.

447355 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to norwegian, 1, #786 of 2015 🔗

It’s baby boomers. They inherited Woodstock and left us with The Great Reset.

446143 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Poppy, 19, #787 of 2015 🔗

You pay 9k a year tuition which IMO is at least 5x too much for most courses. Then tested , masked and treated like animals. Tell them to fuck themselves.

446354 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to merlin, 5, #788 of 2015 🔗

These students must start demanding their money back, or leaving their courses. There are very few degrees that are worth this level of emotional pain.

447357 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to RichardJames, 1, #789 of 2015 🔗

Need a degree to earn even the smallest money. Unless one is a plumber or a thatcher or something.

447346 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Poppy, #790 of 2015 🔗

deleted

446112 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 22, #791 of 2015 🔗

The new Yellow Card numbers are out: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#yellow-card-reports

Pfizer report: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/964207/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print__1_.pdf

AZ report: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/964208/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print__2_.pdf

Unspecified brand: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/964209/COVID-19_vaccine_brand_unspecified_analysis_print__1_.pdf

Pfizer deaths: an increase of 15 deaths in the week

up to 14/02/2021 – 197
up to 21/02/21 – 212

AZ deaths: an increase of 39 deaths in the week

up to 14/02/2021 – 205
up to 21/02/21 – 244

There were also 4 deaths where the vaccine brand was ‘unspecified’.

However, none of the 460 deaths had anything to do with the vaccine… according to the MHRA:

The MHRA has received 212 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 244 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine and 4 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.

Usage of the AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death.

Bullshit!

446127 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Ceriain, 21, #792 of 2015 🔗

All deaths are due to covid, but absolutely none whatsoever under any circumstances, cross my heart, hope to die, are anything to do with the vaccine and are just a conspiracy theory so shut up.

446165 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to LMS2, 1, #793 of 2015 🔗

so shut up

LOL! 🙂

446156 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ceriain, 4, #794 of 2015 🔗

And that is only what is reported. Multiple by 3? to get the real number.

Just a coincidence they say and add in the 100 K or more injured. 15 million jabbed = .007 % or about 1 in 100 are injured/dead. Expect this # to double.

Experimental drugs. They are not vaccines.

446239 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to FerdIII, 2, #795 of 2015 🔗

1% is about the same chance of getting covid, but of course a lot higher than the risk of dying from it. I calculate the recorded death rate from the vaccine as an eighth of the rate of death from covid at an IFR of 0.23%. ( or only a half of the rate, if you accepted the governments 1% IFR).
Its in the same ballpark. With an IFR so low, no-one in their right minds would take this risk.

446480 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Ceriain, 3, #796 of 2015 🔗

16 spontaneous abortions in the mRNA vaccine group and one death of a premature baby.

Added to the 4 spontaneous abortions in AZ

That’s now 21 dead babies/foetuses. I’m extremely pro-choice, but I’ve seen first hand the devastation that the loss of a very much wanted baby causes. I am alarmed, especially as there has been some talk of permanent and irreversible inability to carry foetuses to term from the activation of the mRNA vaccine.

446113 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 10, #797 of 2015 🔗

I read, as I’m sure we all did, many moons ago ‘Catcher in the Rye’

Holden Caulfield liked to emphasize the ‘phoniness’ of everything.

Never has that been more striking than now.

446125 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, -8, #798 of 2015 🔗

You’re not going to assassinate anyone. That book was alleged to be a trigger in certain MKultra events. Mark Chapman had a copy on him when he shot John Lennon.

446126 Bungle, 10, #799 of 2015 🔗

I have adapted the legal letters to schools and am sending mine to all schools in Ilkley and Adel Primary in Leeds. My letter finishes with these words: “I am a professional researcher specialising in Organisation, Education and Medicine and while my aim is 98% to be supportive and helpful to you, I will be supporting any parents or children who feel that they are being coerced, against their will, to adopt dangerous, dehumanising and undemocratic behaviour.” As for LS, I feel very much for the depressed but not so much for the moaners – take action and you will fee much better and you might just do some good!

446130 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 5, #800 of 2015 🔗

Re a couple of the ATL items:

1. For a working class revolutionary socialist, Phil Shannon doesn’t seem to get it. The Trostskyite Fourth International do. They know that the best way to destroy capitalism is to deploy lockdowns and everything that goes with them, to put economies into recession and ramp up social tensions. The end justifies the means and the end for them is the creation of a Bolshevik style government which would set to expropriating the expropriators under a political dictatorship. There are a number of players in this game: CCP, Far Left, Big Tech, globalist billionaires to name a few.

2.There is no guarantee of economic recovery. If the government is to be believed should a novel pathogen that can kill tens of thousands emerge, you have to close down your economy, put your population under house arrest, shut your schools, discontinue all sports and cultural activities, put a stop to extended family life and so on. Why won’t there be another novel pathogen like Covid 19? It’s actually quite likely, not least because we keep devising mass vaccination programmes for respiratory viruses that normally end the lives of very elderly and sick people. We have seen a significant increase in novel pathogens over the last couple of decades. Of course the media never ask the question and the Government would never answer it honestly and clearly: what would happen if we saw something like Covid 19 again next winter or the winter after that: will the Government put us all in lockdown for a year again? If so, then we are really heading for game-changing economic decline. I don’t actually believe we would because I don’t think the markets would let us fund it but who really knows in these mad times ?

446154 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to OKUK, 3, #801 of 2015 🔗

The CCP is not Communist in any significant sense.

Are the UK Conservatives conservative?

Are the US Democrats democratic?

Then why should we think that the Chinese Communists are communist?

An important subtext to covid has been the propaganda war on China,

As long as China was a net buyer of US debt – until the end of 2013 – there was no problem.

The propaganda ramped up when they started deploying their capital instead into Belt and Road projects.

An imprudent and chronic debtor irritated because his banker refuses to extend any more credit.

446358 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to rockoman, #802 of 2015 🔗

Where did I say CCP was Communist. You misread my post. That said, the CCP is a strange beast and it certainly has strong communist elements in it.

446134 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #803 of 2015 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUPXYoOHiyg

Linking again:

Dmitri Orlov on covid and the Great Reset.

His opinion -basically the West is finished and the GR is guaranteed to fail.

446161 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to rockoman, 5, #804 of 2015 🔗

Khrushchev ‘we will bury you’

2020 Snowflake, retard, halfwit, following the ‘science’…’no we prefer to bury ourselves’

446136 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 13, #805 of 2015 🔗

Queen lectures the peasants. Don’t be a critical thinker, take the jab.

Ironically Prince Philip gets the experimental jabs in Jan and Feb, now has suffered a heart attack or similar. Nothing to do with the drugs of course, so the propaganda Ministry of Truth declares. Just old age. He is 99 you know. If he dies (sad event), fully expect the MCCD to list Rona.

446167 ▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to FerdIII, -28, #806 of 2015 🔗

DEAR GOD. It’s sometimes like reading 16th-century religious pamphlets on here. It sounds as though he has an atrial fibrillation and they’ve shocked it back into rhythm again, which is dicey when you’re 99 but he’s obviously a fairly tough old bird. Even by the meaningless standards of the current use of the word, there is nothing ironic about his vaccination, which is irrelevant to a heart condition that was first reported about fifteen years ago.

446174 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 7, #807 of 2015 🔗

So the jab has no impact on a 99 yr olds heart? Fascinating truly. I guess that is why heart disease deaths are disappearing into the Rona category.

446290 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to FerdIII, 2, #808 of 2015 🔗

Not likely to affect the conduction paths. Atrial fibrillation is due to abnormal conduction paths and can be treated with medication or by removing the extra conduction pathways through ablation. This is not a new condition for the DoE.
Had he had a myocardial infarction then there could be a link with the vaccination.

446175 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #809 of 2015 🔗

“In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.”

446140 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 33, #810 of 2015 🔗

Beeb live feed: Four in 10 over-80s have broken rules since vaccination

More than four in 10 over-80s who have received the coronavirus vaccine during the current lockdown in England appear to have since broken the rules by meeting up with someone indoors, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures suggest.

Some 43% of over-80s surveyed by the ONS said they had met someone other than a personal care support worker, member of their household or support bubble indoors since being vaccinated.

And 41% of over-80s vaccinated in the previous three weeks said they had done so – “appearing to break lockdown regulations”. Rules in England, introduced at the start of January, mean family or friends
cannot meet socially indoors unless they are in the same household or support bubble.

Don’t these old fools realise they are going to kill their grannies! 😉

446162 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 10, #811 of 2015 🔗

Blood on their hands etc. Let the experiment begin!

446166 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Ceriain, 5, #812 of 2015 🔗

Shocking, simply shocking.
How though did the ONS discover this horrifying statistic? Are they following up the jabs with a phone call? Sending the stasi around?

446203 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to bluemoon, #813 of 2015 🔗

This is what the ONS say

 Coverage

The following experimental statistics are based on an achieved sample of 2,070 individuals aged 80 and over in England, sampled through the Personal Demographic Service, held by NHS Digital, conducted between 15 February and 20 February 2021. A total of 6,748 people were invited to take part via telephone and all answers are self-reported. Of those potential respondents who were successfully contacted by an interviewer, the response rate was 56.5%. When including cases where contact was attempted but not made, the response rate was 36.6%.

446171 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Ceriain, 10, #814 of 2015 🔗

Give them a booster shot, you’ll get no trouble after that

446185 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ceriain, 6, #815 of 2015 🔗

of course.. because like most people who havent read the small print they believe they are now protected and cannot catch or pass on the rona. How sad they will be when the realise the injection doesnt protect them

446190 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Ceriain, 4, #816 of 2015 🔗

An estimated two out of five (41%) over 80s who had received the first dose of a vaccine less than three weeks ago reported they had met someone other than a household member, care worker or member of their support bubble, indoors; this appears to contradict lockdown regulations

Its taken from this ONS publication.

Coronavirus and vaccine attitudes and behaviours in England: over 80s population, 15 February to 20 February 2021

Other things in there:

A quarter (25%) of over 80s who had only received one dose of a COVID-19 vaccination reported that they would be much or somewhat more likely to attend a hospital for medical reasons since being vaccinated; this increased to one-third (33%) for those who had received both doses

This is capable of being misread!

Of over 80s who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, 41% had experienced side effects.

Of those well enough to be able to answer the survey

Around 19 out of 20 over 80s (96%) would be very or somewhat likely to encourage others to get a COVID-19 vaccination

And about 97% preferred Pedigree Chum?

Of those who had experienced side effects and were still awaiting their second dose of a vaccine, 63% said the side effects would not affect their decision to get the second dose, and 35% were more likely to get the second dose

We live but we never bloody well learn

446319 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ceriain, 3, #817 of 2015 🔗

And that’s only the ones who will admit it.

446759 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 1, #818 of 2015 🔗

They could have given then saline jabs for the same effect and fewer deaths of frail elderly in Dec/Jan. Salt is somewhat cheaper than the snake oil and doesn’t need any refrigeration.

446189 Hughie, replying to Hughie, 4, #819 of 2015 🔗

The headmaster of my daughter’s primary school just sent a letter around containing the following paragraph:

“Around 1 in 3 people with coronavirus (COVD-19) do not have symptoms but can still pass it on to others. Regular testing of people without symptoms (asymptomatic testing) is important to help stop the virus spreading. As lockdown restrictions gradually ease, we all need to play our part to help protect each other.”

Any suggestions for a good response?

446198 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Hughie, 12, #821 of 2015 🔗

Any suggestions for a good response?

“I do not consent to my child being tested!”

End of!

446199 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Hughie, 5, #822 of 2015 🔗

The following was highlighted here on Tuesday. It focuses precisely on the lie that the headmaster was echoing :

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-cambridge-study-testing.html

The author is an impeccable source.

446200 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Hughie, 6, #823 of 2015 🔗

Any suggestion I might have made previously would likely be deleted in the comments now.

You could start with coronavirus is NOT COVID-19. That there is no evidence that 1 in 3 infected persons are asymptomatic and infectious. That regular testing of healthy people is no short of abuse and sets a dangerous precident.

How about the school plays it’s part in delivering an education whilst looking after the well-being of those in it’s care, instead of participating in pseudo-medical mass hysteria?

446209 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Hughie, 6, #824 of 2015 🔗

Death rates of children from Rona basically 0.

Asymptomatic is unscientific and complete nonsense. You can’t transmit what you don’t have.

Largest asympto test in China of 10 millions found no asympto transmission whatsoever.

He is just parroting the Ministry of Truth.

446210 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Hughie, 6, #825 of 2015 🔗

Just ask for proof of asymptomatic spread . Government guidelines do not constitute proof.

446238 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to merlin, 3, #826 of 2015 🔗

Whilst also stating that Hughie does not consent to his daughter being tested or to her wearing a mask. Hughie should state that he is aware that both are voluntary and his daughter must have full access to classes on the same basis as all the other masked and tested pupils.

446216 ▶▶ mj, replying to Hughie, #827 of 2015 🔗

there was a posting yesterday (certainly the last couple of days) showing how the 1 in 3 is pants

446221 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Hughie, 2, #828 of 2015 🔗

I think I’d say – Show me your working out – dunce!

446236 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Hughie, 1, #829 of 2015 🔗

There are some excellent template letters drafted by the UK Medical Freedom Alliance – https://www.ukmedfreedom.org/resources/template-letters

446243 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Hughie, 3, #830 of 2015 🔗

Another vote for Prof Fenton’s blog

Also a useful quote from Allyson Pollock, a Professor of Public Health in BMJ Editorial

“Searching for people who are asymptomatic yet infectious is like searching for needles that appear and reappear transiently in haystacks, particularly when rates are falling”

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

446258 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Hughie, 9, #831 of 2015 🔗

Dear Headmaster,
Given your recent foray into the fields of public health and social work (not just in school but outside it) would it be unreasonable to suggest taking a long sabbatical to perhaps investigate them fully before offering your inexpertise? We all need to play our part in protecting people from ignorance.
If your replacement were to focus on the education of his/her charges, I would consider keeping my child at the school.
I look forward to the glad tidings of your departure and news of your replacement before making my final decision.
Kind regards,

446263 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Hughie, #832 of 2015 🔗

I would ask the Head firstly, why they are spreading dangerous conspiracy theories?

Bearing in mind the Government came up with this stat initially, which appears to be based around months of PCR testing, which their own literature confirms quite clearly is “not able to distinguish” the presence of infectious virus. SAGE documents admit the same thing.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf

University of Florida recent study: “ The asymptomatic/presymptomatic secondary attack rate is not statistically different from zero..”
https://rationalground.com/university-of-florida-researchers-find-no-asymptomatic-or-presymptomatic-spread/

446277 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hughie, 4, #833 of 2015 🔗

Register with PCR claims, they will send a letter re masks and testing to the Head on your behalf but your name will not be disclosed. They attach UK medical freedom open letters that provides lots of referenced information. https://pcrclaims.co.uk/masks-in-schools

Do not challenge them with facts, rather write letters telling them they do not have permission to do test on your child or make them wear masks as they are exempt.

Yesterday I posted more links but unfortunately I don’t have access to them today

446296 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Hughie, 2, #834 of 2015 🔗

With 1 in 3 people having it,we will all have had it in 6 weeks time. The show will be over.

446360 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #835 of 2015 🔗

That one always gets me.

The ONS and Zoe and REACT studies always tell us, for example, so many hundred thousand are infected this week, so many hundred thousand have it the next week.

They’ve been pumping these stats out for almost a year now. Surely we’ve all had it by now .

446478 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Hughie, #836 of 2015 🔗

Fuck off you cunt

447500 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Hughie, #837 of 2015 🔗

Guessing he’s a dirty little faggot? The only way a man could possibly be a headmaster of a primary school these days.

Tell him to hang his cunt self in his cunting bathrobe the c unt

446197 CGL, 15, #838 of 2015 🔗

Made me chuckle anyway!

446211 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PastImperfect, #840 of 2015 🔗

Very good – it is from Israel.

446359 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to PastImperfect, #841 of 2015 🔗

If we could only find the identities of those photographers and crisis actors…

If only we could find out who is paying the large bills for that production…

446205 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 4, #842 of 2015 🔗

Good to know the Muslim UK Minister of the Jab is a co-founder of YouGov.

Transparency, honesty, data validity in the polling…..just a coincidence of course that he is in Cabinet….polls are not, repeat not, repeat not being used to fashion public opinion.

446440 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to FerdIII, #843 of 2015 🔗

I don’t believe he is Muslim (not that t should be a matter of note anyway)

446214 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 31, #844 of 2015 🔗

Just seen this above the line (my bolding):

“Trish Greenhalgh, professor in primary care health sciences at the University of Oxford, told Good Morning Britain: “There is no doubt the virus is in the air, there is no doubt that you can catch it if you inhale, and that someone else has exhaled.
“The exercising jogger – the puffing and panting jogger – you can feel their breath come and you can sometimes actually feel yourself inhale it, so there’s no doubt that there is a danger there.

Words fail me. This is “The Science”?

446218 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 16, #845 of 2015 🔗

Oxford and imperial should really be shutdown

447502 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to merlin, #846 of 2015 🔗

EVERY single stone needs to be removed. Cambridge, too!

I don’t give a damn about cultural heritage!

DESTROY! DESTROY! DESTROY!

446223 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #847 of 2015 🔗

You can feel Covid now. Yeah, if you are mentally unwell.

446225 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #848 of 2015 🔗

You mean this Trish Greenhalgh? One of those people who would prefer that everyone stops breathing. Zero Covid – zero breathing.

446228 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to godowneasy, 11, #849 of 2015 🔗

It looks much better masked

446287 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 3, #850 of 2015 🔗

Gaaahaaaahhhhhhhh!
Evil goblin-psycho-bitch
a
n
d
b-r-e-a-t-h

446468 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to godowneasy, 2, #851 of 2015 🔗

Die dike cunt

447503 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to godowneasy, #852 of 2015 🔗

I’d like to punch her in her fucking mouth

446226 ▶▶ iane, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #853 of 2015 🔗

Well, that is Nothing: remember that Greta Goblin can actually see CO2 molecules!

446245 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #854 of 2015 🔗

At one point, she tweeted a suggestion that people wore a panty liner inside their buff as added protection.

446350 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mic67, #855 of 2015 🔗

Well that is mad! lol But the quote is surely correct.

446345 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jo Starlin, #856 of 2015 🔗

Well it’s true is it not. If someone exhales viral particles on you, you can be infected. I’m not sure what your objection to that quote is. How do you think viruses spread?

446472 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to OKUK, 1, #857 of 2015 🔗

Nobody really knows

446565 ▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to OKUK, #858 of 2015 🔗

I understood that a virus is dead and cannot be transmitted?

446385 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #859 of 2015 🔗

Talking of science, I was myself putting a journal article together comparing her approach with that of her colleague, Carl Heneghan. Heneghan never gives an opinion (expert opinion is the lowest level on the ‘Hierarchy of Medical Evidence’, level 7), Heneghan will only say things like “the quality trial evidence suggests that …” Compare him with Greenhalgh below writing in a published journal article – opinion; opinion; opinion.

“Is the absence of a definitive randomised controlled trial a good reason to hold back from changing policy? Some say yes; I say no. Should we take account of stories in the press? Some say no; I say yes. Should we extrapolate from laboratory experiments on the filtration capacity of different fabrics to estimate what is likely to happen when people wear them in real life? Some say no; I say yes.”

446222 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 48, #860 of 2015 🔗

Falling like flies. Lord Sumption agrees with excluding non vaxxed individuals from going to cinemas, restaurants etc. See Unheard interview. To encourage those who are afraid to re-engage with social life.

I do not get this at all. Those who choose not to get vaccinated will essentially be let go from work as well under this kind of principle.

He’s still dead against lockdown but he’s under the impression that freedom is only possible through the state chosen medication.

Sad state of affairs.

446227 ▶▶ alw, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #861 of 2015 🔗

“ON CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE:

“Sometimes the most public spirited thing that you can do with despotic laws like these is to ignore them. I think that if the government persists long enough with locking people down, depending on the severity of the lockdown, civil disobedience is likely to be the result. It will be discrete civil disobedience in the classic English way — I don’t think that we are likely to go onto the streets waving banners. I think we will just calmly decide that we are not going to pay any attention to this. There are some things you have to pay attention to: you can’t go to a shop if it’s closed. On the other hand, you can invite friends round for a drink, whatever Mr Hancock says. People are doing that to some extent already.

“Everyone will have their own different threshold. But I think that in the eyes of many people who disapprove of the lockdown, and some people who approve of it, we’ve reached that point quite a long time ago.”

https://unherd.com/2021/03/lord-sumption-civil-disobedience-has-begun/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups%5B0%5D=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=5db41d8498&mc_eid=19ff037300

446311 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to alw, 10, #862 of 2015 🔗

But he supports a new despotic law barring people who choose not to have an experimental vaxx from having a normal life – even though anyone who has taken the vaxx is supposedly very well protected?

446329 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #863 of 2015 🔗

And when saying that we should do this to make others less fearful, is he advocating that my children are excluded from school as their teacher has irrational fears?

446231 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #864 of 2015 🔗

One caveat is that he seems to base this on the fact that people are generally scared idiots. And unfortunately they are in the majority. So we have to go along to get along in such circumstances. Still, it’s not exactly a principled stance.

446268 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 26, #865 of 2015 🔗

I find this very disturbing. For all my life I regarded the common law of England to be superior to napoleonic in say France , mainly for allowing everything except that which is expressly forbidden, rather than the reverse. Recent years has seen the erosion of those unwritten rights through legislation that more closely followed the continental pattern.
However now we have France seemingly defending the rights of its citizens to say ‘no’ to the vaccine, following a written decree to only offer the vaccine to ‘willing’ participants. And one of the (past?) staunchest supporters of common law freedoms in Sumpton saying on record that he supports taking away those rights because of pressure from the mob influenced by governmental propaganda.
This is a very sad day.

447335 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to peyrole, #866 of 2015 🔗

This link includes a short video clip about the effect/non-effect on Common Law when we joined the EU.

THECORPUSJURIS-and-the-Magna-Carta_1080p (lbry.tv)

446232 ▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 16, #867 of 2015 🔗

Sad, but not unexpected. None of these public people care about you or I. The sooner everyone realises that, the sooner we stop attaching our hopes and dreams to them.

446233 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #868 of 2015 🔗

Well, that is disappointing.

446244 ▶▶ rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 28, #869 of 2015 🔗

It’s irrational of people who believe the ‘vaccine’s actually work to not feel safe in the company of people who haven’t been jabbed.

446254 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to rose, 13, #870 of 2015 🔗

Indeed. I wonder whether they have become fearful of people who do not conform, rather than being fearful about a virus (at least in some cases).

447063 ▶▶▶▶ Alpine, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #871 of 2015 🔗

I think it’s hatred we’re talking about. They hate people who don’t conform and want to see them humiliated

447143 ▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #872 of 2015 🔗

i am very glad to be in the company of those who do not conform here at lockdown sceptics thank you all, am so disappointed in lord sumpton, who’ s next ?

446246 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #873 of 2015 🔗

I agree it is disappointing however I don’t think we should expect everyone to have to the same view about everything. As with Hitchens and so with Sumption, if you act with vigour to defend the rights of those not to take the ‘vaxine’ (née experimental treatment) then we are still all on the same side don’t you think. Further more a new constituency will also rise. I hope.

446252 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #874 of 2015 🔗

If ‘x’ number of people have to be vaccinated to lift us out of lockdown, then fine, jab away at willing people. Why can’t our normal lives resume without having to take something we don’t feel is in our best interests.
3 weeks to flatten the curve and protect the sodding NHS has now turned into this farce.

446256 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #875 of 2015 🔗

Valid stance:

446266 ▶▶ CGL, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 17, #876 of 2015 🔗

Yes – I’ve just watched that.
He misses the point completely that this virus just isn’t dangerous enough to merit a ‘vaccine’ at all let alone one that hasn’t finished trials yet, and doesn’t put any liability on the manufacturer or the government (well hardly anyway) if anything goes wrong.
I disagree with him about allaying other’s fears – it is not our responsibility to do that – either by being jabbed or muzzling up

446285 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to CGL, 16, #877 of 2015 🔗

Someone posted something to this effect on LS yesterday and it has stuck with me (excuse the pun): So you think it’s OK to insert something into my body that I don’t want in order to make you feel good? Under certain conditions this would be considered rape.

Even though our law in Canada is very clear that no medical intervention can be forced on anyone and that coercion/bribery is a form of force, I have no confidence in this precedent being upheld when this eventually gets to court. When judges like Sumption are perfectly OK trashing precedent and ignoring the Nuremberg Code we are in trouble. Our only power is in our numbers, which is why its sad whenever someone who doesn’t want it takes the jab pre-emptively and gives up before it’s even necessary to do so.

446369 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #878 of 2015 🔗

I thought those were our laws here too. But apparently not.

446598 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to CGL, 3, #879 of 2015 🔗

… and the way to conquer irrational phobias isn’t to simply pander to them. That’s simple psychology.

446278 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #880 of 2015 🔗

Good job nobody listens to him anyway. Every old dog gets one last chance of catching a rabbit but it usually gets away….or something.

What a shame, seems like the psy-op has addled even the country’s most analytical mind.

446279 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #881 of 2015 🔗

Yep. Very sad. Clearly he’s very selective on what human rights need to be protected.

He’s had the jab so vaccine passports don’t affect him.

446284 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #882 of 2015 🔗

Sounds like he got paid off to me. Is there absolutely nowhere on this planet we can escape to. 🙁

446297 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Andrew K, 8, #883 of 2015 🔗

When he crosses his arms at 31 mins 30 secs, he clearly knows what he is saying is indefensible. Just not his usual coherent explanation.

Shows his true character or lack of it.

446352 ▶▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Freecumbria, 10, #884 of 2015 🔗

Yep totally noticed the facial tick he has, started to kick in when explaining his position on “vaccines”.
Was a punch in the goolies to hear him talk this way.

Wtf is going these past few days with (what I regarded to be) staunch sceptics?

446467 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #885 of 2015 🔗

More controlled opposition

446309 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #886 of 2015 🔗

Noooooo! What is he thinking??

446310 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #887 of 2015 🔗

Fake vaxx certs will be widely available

446349 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #888 of 2015 🔗

Start collecting lot numbers from all those pix of jab cards up on social media.

446335 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 18, #889 of 2015 🔗

Just finished watching. I was nodding along until we got to that point.

My observations:

  • The libertarian voices now plugging vax passports are actually just people willing to have the jab themselves. That’s fine and their choice, but it then becomes easier for them to say vax passports don’t matter because it doesn’t matter to them.
  • In all of these discussions you hear not one mention of people who can’t have the vax (medically ill-advised) or obvs the hesitant due to experimental nature or pregnant, children or religious beliefs etc. We are just lumped into the anti vax pariah basket. Vax versus anti-vax is just a very crude and unintellectual division, and is quite deliberate.
  • There is also no discussion around the non-vax nature of the vax; i.e. it doesn’t stop you from carrying or spreading the disease (at least yet to be determined). It’s like needing a passport to show you’re dosed up on lemsip.
  • Most disappointing of all is that we should be free to choose what we put in our bodies, and anyone who thinks they’re a libertarian whether small l or big L should champion this basic right.

As someone who has fundamental medical reasons for not vaxing, but would also be in the hesitant bucket (longer term outcomes needed), I find I have a gnawing anxiety that never stops, that I’m soon to be excluded from society/travel etc. My only comfort comes from the colossal ineptitude of the Government, I think they’re unlikely to pull it off.

446403 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #890 of 2015 🔗

The Government is a leaky vessel – there will be plenty of cracks in the system
Have faith – the dark web will provide

446377 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 8, #891 of 2015 🔗

I am so depressed by this I literally do not know what to do.

446410 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 20, #892 of 2015 🔗

This is the mask situation all over again, they were introduced to encourage those who wear too scared to go out, now it has moved on to the “vaccine” everyone musy have it in order for the same scared people to venture out again. Why is it always those scared that everyone else has to protect and be forced to take experimental drugs? And as for Jonathan Sumption saying this he should know better.

446752 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #893 of 2015 🔗

That was my first thought too. The best way to get the Coronaphobes back out is for all Covid theatre to be dropped so they can see people acting totally as normal again and learn to be unafraid like them again. I was done pandering to other people’s irrational fears over this thing on June 15th (actually before but that is the first date their paranoias impacted greatly on us Normals.) Some are never leaving their houses again come what may – victims of the wicked Medical Dictatorship; others may need extensive therapy. We don’t go around humouring OCD folk by touching everything 20 times ourselves.

446235 BJs Brain is Missing, 52, #894 of 2015 🔗

So, Rishi Sunak, why do I and others, have to pay for your government’s incompetence, lies, treachery and malfeasance? Why do I and others, have to pay for the economic, social and psychological destruction of this nation? Tell me why I and others have to pay the bill? You and your friends are responsible for all around us, you pay for it!

446249 Mic67, -2, #895 of 2015 🔗

Got the jab invite text last week and just had the follow up call. Explained that I had a steroid jab this week so want to wait and was sent a text to rebook when it suits.

446250 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 3, #896 of 2015 🔗

Chris often has some great viewpoints on this current debacle and how it relates to reseting debt:

https://capitalistexploits.at/debt-forgiveness-is-coming-and-cant-be-achieved-without-communism-this-is-how/

446269 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to mhcp, 1, #897 of 2015 🔗

Excellent article.

Thanks for the link.

446253 isobar, replying to isobar, 6, #898 of 2015 🔗

COVID-19: Test and Trace barely used check-in data from pubs and restaurants – with thousands not warned of infection risk

http://news.sky.com/story/test-and-trace-barely-used-check-in-data-from-pubs-and-restaurants-with-thousands-not-warned-of-infection-risk-12235392

well that was money well spent – NOT

446298 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to isobar, 5, #899 of 2015 🔗

I can only speak for the London area. Here any pub that I visited insisted on the T & T. This would have included pubs in the Fullers, Mitchell & Butlers and Nicholson’s chains as well as independents. The exception was Wetherspoons which accepted hand written entries.
The common take is T & T didn’t work. It did, but not in the way envisaged. It established that covid transmission was practically non-existent in the pub/restaurant sector.

446416 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to crimsonpirate, #900 of 2015 🔗

So why did the government trash the hospitality industry?

446775 ▶▶▶▶ iansn, replying to isobar, #901 of 2015 🔗

Health officials are tee total and hate drinkers with a passion thats why Whitty is number one for this. Teetotal single

446323 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to isobar, #902 of 2015 🔗

Russ Garrett, the developer mentioned in the article has some excellent breakdowns of the NHS data here: https://russss.github.io/covidtracker/app.html

As well as the T&T data, he has up to date NHS/PHE data pulled directly from the NHS API.

446412 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 1, #903 of 2015 🔗

Thanks Ceriain. As you say, an excellent breakdown. Shows once more that strange double camel hump Nov/Dec, which I have never got my head around understanding

447283 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to isobar, #904 of 2015 🔗

Influenza A and influenza B?

446790 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to Ceriain, #905 of 2015 🔗

outstanding well presented and bang up to date, its a pity bojo, handjob and the three musketeers dont use it as they are always looking at and quoting three week old data

446518 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to isobar, #906 of 2015 🔗

Spoons will T&Ting when they reopen https://www.jdwetherspoon.com/news/2021/03/gardens-to-open-12-april

Test and trace will be in operation and hand sanitisers will be available.

446774 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to arfurmo, #907 of 2015 🔗

still got my copy T&T app on the phone it works like magic

446259 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #908 of 2015 🔗

Got an e-mail back from Parliament’s Joint Committee on Human Rights:

Good morning,

Thank you for your submission to the Joint Committee on Human Rights. I have noted your points about the lockdown regulations and the force with which you make them.

I sympathise with your experience of the lockdown restrictions. Whilst I would not presume fully to understand how you’re feeling at this difficult time, you might find the following sources of support or advice helpful especially if you are feeling low or depressed, or experiencing hardship or need advice:

Your own GP

Samaritans – for everyone

Call 116 123 – 24 hours a day, every day

Email jo@samaritans.org

Best wishes,

Bit of a strange one but at least my evidence has been submitted and accepted officially.

Pretty patronising though.

446264 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #909 of 2015 🔗

wow, talk about accusing others of what they do…really WHO are the crazy ones?

446267 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #910 of 2015 🔗

Sounds like a fobbing you off one, especially as they have caused the need for the Samaritans

446272 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #911 of 2015 🔗

Yes – we are all just mental for disagreeing with them aren’t we.
Bastards

446273 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #912 of 2015 🔗

It’s YOUR FAULT and lack of resilience that you feel negatively against lockdown. We are all in this together; however hard it is we need to be patient so that when the virus is under control and we have all had our vaccines, things can slowly go back to normal and we will all live happily ever after. And the economy will be fine.

446286 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #913 of 2015 🔗

I’ve had people tell me I should “talk to someone about how I’m feeling, get some counselling.”

I ask them if a counsellor is going to end lockdown? Well they’re not much bloody use then are they?

446291 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #914 of 2015 🔗

A councillor would need counselling after I was done with them. PTSD for sure…

446339 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #915 of 2015 🔗

Absolutely. I’ve also been asked if I think I need to speak to someone about my depression. What are they going to do? Suggest medicating me? I’m not having that. Suggest I learn to accept the situation? Not having that either. No, the only thing that’s going to take my depression away is to take away the cause. End lockdown now and completely. Anything else and I’ll still be severely depressed with good reason..

446368 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to WasSteph, 5, #916 of 2015 🔗

With you there. We’ve been deliberately immiserated and then they seek to medicalise our logical reaction.

447276 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to WasSteph, #917 of 2015 🔗

We have to assert our freedoms, The Great Reopening, which could be a vehicle, doesn’t seem to get many column inches here.

446288 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #918 of 2015 🔗

To be clear, it is a mental illness to oppose lockdown, rather than a perfectly valid and well evidenced counter argument.

446306 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #919 of 2015 🔗

Your own GP? Good luck with that one.

446270 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 4, #920 of 2015 🔗

EAT YOUR GREENS!

Wings Over Scotland | The state of Scotland

Excellent summary of what is currently happening in Scotland. It looks like the greens may well decide the future of the scottish covid / lockdown queen!

If she does go – one down, two still to go in england and wales!

Inflation is the likely end note for boris.

446281 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tony rattray, 1, #921 of 2015 🔗

A heart attack is more likely. Or a brain haemorrhage.

446293 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Two-Six, 1, #922 of 2015 🔗

May 6th local elections.

446302 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to alw, 2, #923 of 2015 🔗

I get a chance to vote for bastard A B or C and B and C don’t have a snowflakes chance in hell of winning anything.

446303 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Two-Six, 1, #924 of 2015 🔗

Which will be put down as Long Covid.

446304 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to tony rattray, #925 of 2015 🔗

Taxi for Wee Nippy

446280 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #926 of 2015 🔗

Last summer Czechia was held up as an example of effective early lockdown, and was the first country to introduce mandatory face masks on 14 March 2020.

 “By 1 May 2020, altogether 257 COVID-19-related deaths were identified in the Czech Republic compared to 2,719 in similarly populous Sweden , which did not impose a full lockdown . However, by 17 November 2020, the Czech Republic has recorded a total of 6,416 COVID-19-related deaths compared to 6,344 in Sweden, thus surpassing Sweden’s deaths count.”

How’s it all worked out then? Brilliantly. It now has the highest rate of Covid deaths in the world, knocking Belgium off the top of the charts.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

446301 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #927 of 2015 🔗

And suddenly, in the world of the lockdowners, Czechia ceases to exist.

Or they move onto the tired old argument trying to compare Sweden to other Scandinavian countries. Or suddenly Czechia becomes more densely populated than Sweden, or less obedient – even though they supposedly did it all so well last year. Anything to avoid the difficult questions.

446313 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Jo Starlin, 6, #928 of 2015 🔗

Wow! Very quick piece of acceleration on the closing straight there, stormed past. Still got some hopes for Slovenia ( not to confused with Slovakia) but I’m afraid the UK is pulling up a bit lame in 4th.
Seriously though, its a very clear sign that lockdowns eventually have the reverse effect of that which they designed. The virus will not be defeated by NPIs of any sort, it will do what it does, survive. The harder you try to contain it, the more it changes to survive.
Its simple, the only way humans can eradicate a respiratory virus, is to remove all humans.

446320 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to peyrole, 6, #929 of 2015 🔗

Belgium stayed at number one longer than Bryan Adams in 1991.

446402 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #930 of 2015 🔗

Longer than Wet,wet,wet?

446327 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to peyrole, 2, #931 of 2015 🔗

Greta is thrilled at that last sentence

446367 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to peyrole, 1, #932 of 2015 🔗

Dr Ian Malcom knew what he was talking about.

446282 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #933 of 2015 🔗

For those who want to contact Susan Michie here is her e-mail address (not that she will answer):

s.michie@ucl.ac.uk

I never received a reply to an e-mail started “I am writing to ask you if you could kindly supply me and other lockdownsceptics the evidence that you have available that supports your much touted stance for increased wearing of face coverings amongst other mitigations.” for some reason but up she pops again with the same tired old bullshit.

446295 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #934 of 2015 🔗

copy that blue leader

I think I am going to write to her…..must….keeep….it…..p…p….po….lite

446308 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Awkward Git, #935 of 2015 🔗

try re- sending and switch “lockdownzealots” for lockdownsceptics. She might answer!

446317 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #936 of 2015 🔗

Perhaps just send it a copy of this.

The British Psychological Society. Code of Ethics and Conduct

https://www.bps.org.uk/sites/bps.org.uk/files/Policy/Policy%20-%20Files/BPS%20Code%20of%20Ethics%20and%20Conduct%20%28Updated%20July%202018%29.pdf

446363 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, #937 of 2015 🔗

Is her divisive rhetoric not tantamount to a hate crime, for her blatant discrimination against those who don’t regularly wear masks?

446400 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #938 of 2015 🔗

Same for Greenhalgh and her putting the finger on joggers for not wearing masks.

446391 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #939 of 2015 🔗

Just everyone promise not to send any reply you get to Toby, please; we don’t need another week similar to the Neil Ferguson Diaries ATL, like we had last week.

446762 ▶▶ iansn, replying to Awkward Git, #940 of 2015 🔗

I sent this email after watching the Panorama advert for vaccines, I mean documentary about CV last week. I called into question her maths and assumptions on R nought and the spread, especially her agreement with a masked person who the subtitles said was a senior scientist, she said is the R0 of the variants 4.5 and he said blah blah yes I GUESS 4 to 4.5. I included the spreadsheet I calculated the various R0 rates she discussed and quoted the ACTUAL maximum OBSERVED of 1.6 twice for less than a week in the whole year. I wasnt going to print this but she hasnt answered yet so I will. If Sir Jeremy Farrar can be bothered replying to my questions a BBC JOURNALIST SHOULD BE ABLE TO.
A R0 rate of 4.5 would infect everyone in the world in less than 150 days, R0 of 3 would take 2 weeks longer. So shit like this needs questioning.
I will discuss it later with a BBC health journo off Newsnight once our business reopens, they are sceptical as hell about it all.

Good day Dr. Singh

I watched the Panorama programme in which you featured as a reporter the other day. A lot of thought provoking stuff.

However, I’d like to challenge you on the inference that the ‘natural’ R0 rate is 3 used in your calculations which is not supported by reality. And further, your wheeled in expert stated that the ‘new variants’ would have an R0 of 4-4.5 based purely on guess work as he admitted, which is not science.

Can you supply the actual information supporting the your first inference that the R0 is 3, when the maximum observed rate has never exceeded 1.6 in the UK and even that has only been achieved twice in a year. With a R0 of 4.5 the entire planet would be infected in just over 150 days with a single starting case and assuming a 9 day catch to infection passed on as you did in the programme.

Can you explain how you achieved this calculation as it was used to demonstrate the importance of a rapid vaccine uptake and essential to keeping the country safe.

So in your efforts to explain simply to the public you made claims which seem to me to be based on assumptions, guesswork and incorrect modelling, which has been a consistent problem in the reporting of COVID-19.

I would be delighted to be shown that my calculations and assumptions were false, as that would help to assure me that the BBC is getting this right and it is me that is getting it wrong.

I have attached a spreadsheet with my calculations, data used for actual number of cases is downloaded from the government website, my R0 calculations are shown using the maximum observed value and your 2 assumed values.

Thank you for your time reading this, and hopefully answering me.

Best regards
Ian

A link to my file if anyone would like to further comment

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AsRb_DEzULw4golIA0STlSMFyFwkiw?e=q0lBy4

446294 rockoman, 3, #941 of 2015 🔗
446299 Julian, replying to Julian, -3, #942 of 2015 🔗

I don’t think any posts should be deleted from this site unless they are illegal (interestingly posts advocating lawbreaking may be illegal, but only if you recognise SIs as lawful law)

I can think of two justifications

1) Obvious spam that is interferng with the site’s intention and useful working
2) Things that someone could use against us (look at what these evil LSers are saying)

(1) Isn’t a problem that we have
The issue with (2) is the general problem with censorship – someone has to decide what looks “evil” and therefore impose an editorial line

446330 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, #943 of 2015 🔗

Curious about the downvotes – do people think this site should censor posts?

Or is there something else flawed in my logic?

446343 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Julian, 2, #944 of 2015 🔗

I think there is an issue with upvotes appearing as downvotes. Have we been hacked? Anyone? lol

446456 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Mic67, 1, #945 of 2015 🔗

Yes I tried upvoting someone earlier to cancel a downvote and I think it added more downvotes.

446513 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to rose, #946 of 2015 🔗

The voting system doesn’t refresh in real time. so when you click up and more people have clicked down between you loading the page and you voting, your up-vote will appear to vote down.

446348 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Julian, 1, #947 of 2015 🔗

I think some people might have read it as the opposite of what you intended Julian, I had to read it twice before I understood.

446397 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jo Starlin, #948 of 2015 🔗

Ah sorry

I posited some possible reasons then dismissed them

446353 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, -1, #949 of 2015 🔗

I misread this (though I did not downvote) – think Jo Starlin is right.

446361 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Julian, 1, #950 of 2015 🔗

I don’t think that there is anything flawed in your logic. It is just that Lockdown Scepticism is a very broad church. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.

446701 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #951 of 2015 🔗

As Friedrich Stapss pointed out earlier , that seems to be the way with posts about censorship today.

Not sure why. The problem with downvoting and not commenting is that it leaves all kinds of interpretations open for the downvoting. Not clear if people are expressing disapproval of talking about censorship at all, disapproval of calling for less censorship, or the opposite.

446362 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, #952 of 2015 🔗

Statutory Instruments are not illegal per se. But the Coronavirus Act 2020 is clearly unconstitutional and illegal, and the use of the Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 1984 is illegal – and it is this Act which is being used to create the coronavirus regulations SIs.

As to advocating lawbreaking: this is not in itself illegal, although some forms it may take are, eg, incitement to violence.

446396 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #953 of 2015 🔗

Yes, all good points, agree

446406 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #954 of 2015 🔗

This is the piece of legislation that needs revoked:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/9-10/36/contents

446588 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, #955 of 2015 🔗

Yes, good point

446925 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Awkward Git, #956 of 2015 🔗

There is a role for statutory instruments – but it is not the one that they are currently be used for.

446305 mattghg, 8, #957 of 2015 🔗

Rather good ATL today. I particularly liked the sarc here:

And that’s where the debate is in the Guardian.

446307 mj, replying to mj, 4, #958 of 2015 🔗

just caught a bit of the Stephs packed lunch on c4 (the embarrassing cricket having finished) to see video of Kammy (Camara) getting his jab and him and Portillo back in the studio holding up their cards and cheering .
Oh dear

446315 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mj, 4, #959 of 2015 🔗

Let them know they’ve finally got a viewer, they’ll be thrilled.

446374 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #960 of 2015 🔗

Wasn’t it reported a couple of times that some of her shows had no, as in ZERO, viewers?

446580 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ceriain, #961 of 2015 🔗

Certainly was.

446318 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #962 of 2015 🔗

Looks like this week’s yellow card numbers are out:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Total deaths listed:

Pfizer 212
AstraZeneca 244
Vaccine not stated 4

Total 260

All total coincidences of course including this one:

AstraZeneca
Normal pregnancy
labour and delivery
Pregnancy 2

Pfizer
Normal pregnancy
labour and delivery
Pregnancy 5

But I do know from personal experience that antibiotics stop the pill working almost immediately so why not a covid jab?

446338 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, #963 of 2015 🔗

Slowcoach. 😉 https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/03/04/latest-news-303/#comment-446112

I posted this below, AG, with the deaths figures.

I’ve also appended the miscarriage figures to your Pfizer testing of pregnant women post.

446342 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 7, #964 of 2015 🔗

Some things are important enough to need repeating – especially if anyone else is like me and only scroll down a little bit then stop so anything older than 10 minutes is not seen and as for going back to yesterday’s page not a chance.

Or is that just me?

446371 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, #965 of 2015 🔗

Some things are important enough to need repeating

Totally agree; I was just yanking your chain. 😉

Serious stuff now: Back to the reports. I assume you, like me, have copies of the previous reports. Have you noticed the number of pages in each report is increasing; i.e. the number of different adverse effects categories is growing.

446386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 2, #966 of 2015 🔗

But all total coincidences of course.

Wonder if the companies would answer a request for a statement on the matter?

446355 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Awkward Git, #967 of 2015 🔗

Only rifampicin like antibiotics (not in widespread use) interfere with hormonal contraception. Some antibiotics make you throw up, which if you’ve just taken your pill can stop it working.

I think people often blame antibiotics for pill failure, but it’s not 100% anyway, and certainly not with normal use (which is rarely 100% compliant).

446372 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to sophie123, 2, #968 of 2015 🔗

When Mrs Awkward was told she was pregnant with the son many years ago she asked why as she was on the pill.

Doctor checked her records and said it was because she had a course of antibiotics a few weeks before the positive test and the antibiotics stopped the pill working almost immediately hence the son.

I remember the doctor asking “didn’t anyone tell you this?” to which our reply was “obviously not or we wouldn’t be here now would we?”

It was even stated in the paperwork in the pack which is never read until it’s too late.

446379 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #969 of 2015 🔗

Didn’t Mrs AG get told this, or asked if she was on the Pill, by your GP when he prescribed the antibiotics.

446405 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 1, #970 of 2015 🔗

Nope or we wouldn’t have the son (or at least when we did) so things worked out OK in the end.

447106 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Awkward Git, #971 of 2015 🔗

460?

446326 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 3, #972 of 2015 🔗

Another zero covid group to keep an eye on if you can face it. This one ZeroCovidNow – “A broad campaign jointly convened by Diane Abbott MP and the Morning Star to oppose this government’s reckless policies and fight for a #ZeroCovid strategy” . All these groups appear to be very inter-connected.

They have an event this Saturday (poster below): Their main discussion includes : Teachers, head teachers, school workers and parents all want a safe roadmap out of lockdown. Public health could come first. Schools could reopen only when it’s safe. Lockdown could be ended when the numbers of cases and deaths are very low.

Sounds like they would prefer schools to stay closed? They also say: “SAGE say an early reopening (of schools) risks a rise in new cases. We know what happened after the schools reopened in September, when cases and deaths surged.” Question – is that actually correct?

https://twitter.com/ZeroCovidNow1

446331 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to godowneasy, 2, #973 of 2015 🔗

“Very low.”

Love their scientific clarity.

446340 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to godowneasy, 8, #974 of 2015 🔗

How is it MPs from an allegedly mainstream political party can be on a Far Left extremist platform with no comeback from the BBC, MSM more generally, and the “centrist” Labour Party itself. And why doesn’t this allegedly Conservative Government call them out rather than appointing Far Left extremists to positions of power on important bodies (Susan Michie).

446347 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to OKUK, 4, #975 of 2015 🔗

It’s beyond me – I’ve given up trying to understand what’s happened to these people.

446341 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to godowneasy, 2, #976 of 2015 🔗

Racist illiterate Fatbutt ? Good Christ. How is anyone that racist and stupid in politics to start with? Oh. Right. The thing is Black. Ergo on my knees I go, whimpering and bending. Hasn’t Labour renamed itself the anti-English Racist Party?

446364 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to godowneasy, 10, #977 of 2015 🔗

We know what happened after the schools reopened in September, when cases and deaths surged.” Question – is that actually correct?

This is a lie on steroids. There were 46,296 deaths in England and Wales in October 2020, and 46,238 the previous year.

446413 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #978 of 2015 🔗

Total lies. They are a disgrace

446365 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to godowneasy, 9, #979 of 2015 🔗

John Edmunds = psychopath!

That is all.

446378 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 5, #980 of 2015 🔗

The same John Edmunds who was advocating herd immunity when this shitshow started last March.

446382 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to isobar, 3, #981 of 2015 🔗

He did indeed, Isobar. He also said on an interview on Channel 4 that lockdowns were NOT necessary.

446384 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Ceriain, 4, #982 of 2015 🔗

He really is the worst of the worst.

446373 ▶▶ Annie, replying to godowneasy, 6, #983 of 2015 🔗

Anything with Abbott in it is going to be a menace to decent living.

446487 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to godowneasy, 2, #984 of 2015 🔗

Anything with Winnie Flabbott in is doomed to failure

446579 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to godowneasy, 1, #985 of 2015 🔗

I think the most astonishing thing about that is to see that the ‘Morning Star’ is still going! Did Moscow forget to cancel the standing order, or something?

446337 FerdIII, 8, #986 of 2015 🔗

Pink Floyd Redux.

We don’t need no experimental injections….
We don’t need no thought control….
No Fake Science in the Fake News media….
Covidiot leave them people alone ,
Hey, Covidiot fascist, leave the kids alone …..

All in all it’s just another brick in the wall
All in all you’re just another sheep to be culled….

We don’t need no experimental-drug passports….
We don’t need no fascist digital control …..
No dark fascism in the classroom
Covidiot, leave them people alone
Hey, Covidiot fascist, leave us kids alone

All in all you’re just another brick in the wall
All in all you’re just another sheep to be culled…..

446381 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #987 of 2015 🔗

If the pigs ever challenge me – I’m allowed out to exorcise

446852 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Crystal Decanter, #988 of 2015 🔗

Somehow I think any police less well-armed than a SWAT team will let you through… Discretion the better part of valour…

446387 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #989 of 2015 🔗

Look what I found on the WHO website:

https://www.who.int/news/item/22-01-2021-gacvs-review-deaths-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-bnt162b2

Wonder when they will publish any results?

446394 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #990 of 2015 🔗

The manual linked to is good reading especially the bits where it is recommende dthat the adverse reports are thoroughly investigated so that all stakeholders remain confident in the vaccine and that any areas of concern are highlighted quickly before they escalate.

HAHAHA that’s our lot screwed then.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/338400/9789240018280-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

446408 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #991 of 2015 🔗

From your link:

The current reports do not suggest any unexpected or untoward increase in fatalities in frail, elderly individuals or any unusual characteristics of adverse events following administration of BNT162b2.

Reports are in line with the expected, all-cause mortality rates and causes of death in the sub-population of frail, elderly individuals, and the available information does not confirm a contributory role for the vaccine in the reported fatal events.



In view of this, the committee considers that the benefit-risk balance of BNT162b2 remains favourable in the elderly, and does not suggest any revision, at present, to the recommendations around the safety of this vaccine.

Same old “nothing to see here” attitude!

446411 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ceriain, 3, #992 of 2015 🔗

Covid was in line with expected all cause mortality apart from in April. Even more noticeable in Ireland. But nobody cares so moving on.

446460 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #993 of 2015 🔗

I was just thinking that!

446453 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ceriain, 1, #994 of 2015 🔗

That was the end of January though, i’m rooting round to see if they’ve an update anywhere.

446464 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, #995 of 2015 🔗

Ah, okay. Thanks. 🙂

It’s a bugger of a site to search through; they’ve edited deleted updated so many truthful articles in the last year.

446388 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 33, #996 of 2015 🔗

Piers Morgan has for a year engaged in a vicious, vitriolic, venomous campaign against the people who are opposed to lockdowns and social distancing measures generally, face masks and the so called vaccines. He has regularly and routinely stigmatised this group as ignorant idiots, who constitute a deadly danger to everyone. He has repeatedly called for punitive action to be taken against this group. Surely, this campaign goes beyond the mere expression of opinion and rises to the level of incitement? Yet, not only have the police taken no interest in this (perhaps they are too busy monitoring Twitter and harassing innocent citizens), but he has been enabled to do this by a national broadcaster, and Ofcom seem to be uninterested in this obviously unfair and harmful treatment of people, something that it is their duty to ensure does not happen.

446415 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #997 of 2015 🔗

He is happy to call out ‘celebs’ and us plebs for breaking lockdown rules, yet kept quiet when his pal Amanda Holden deemed it ok to flout the restrictions.
Wretched, vile, man.

446427 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ganjan21, 12, #998 of 2015 🔗

He was happy to fly to the Caribbean for his Christmas holidays, immediately after he had been demanding that Christmas be cancelled for the rest of us. Upon his return he demanded know why the government hadn’t secured the borders.

446426 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #999 of 2015 🔗

Sorry who is Peirs Morgan, I know his on tele, but that makes him no expert.

446428 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1000 of 2015 🔗

Oh, I disagree: he has some expertise in propaganda.

446461 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1001 of 2015 🔗

He’s a total fraud, who probably doesn’t really believe a single word of this charade.

446632 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Andrew K, #1002 of 2015 🔗

he was once a newspaper editor and has an involvement in the hacking of dead peoples phones
and then became a self publicising celeb and a total gobshite

446433 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #1003 of 2015 🔗

His rhetoric and others like him who peddle blame on to us seems to be working , as i have just had an encounter with someone who accused me of being a conspiracy theorist and because i have not had the jab i am stopping the lockdown from ending. we are in dangerous territory now and i am still feeling a bit shocked from the experience.

446438 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to pub with no beer, 3, #1004 of 2015 🔗

Did this person explain how you not being “vaccinated” (with a product that neither confers immunity nor prevents transmission) is stopping the lifting of the violations of our liberties?

446560 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Steve Hayes, #1005 of 2015 🔗

I did not engage , just muttered under my breath and walked away. Must be prepared for the next encounter.

446611 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to pub with no beer, #1006 of 2015 🔗

Everyone has to be prepared for this at all times, now.
It’s going to get a lot worse.

446441 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to pub with no beer, 4, #1007 of 2015 🔗

Thats shocking to had to endure such abuse, I am sorry. Remember, don’t bow to these brainwashed bullies. Your body, your choice. Always.

446562 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Ganjan21, #1008 of 2015 🔗

thanks for your reply xx

446452 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1009 of 2015 🔗

My guess he is on the Gates of Hell paypacket

446505 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #1010 of 2015 🔗

He’s a vile and repulsive excuse for a human being. All those yacking on about hate crimes and ‘it’s an offence to give offence’ should aim their words at him.

446520 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, #1011 of 2015 🔗

He should just be ignored. BC (Before Covid) he had some merit as a sort of Clarkson-lite who occasionally said something to annoy the wokerati, but what he’s done since has outweighed that by a huge amount.

446747 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1012 of 2015 🔗

Before Covid – you appear to have forgotten his role in the phone hacking scandal.

446575 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Steve Hayes, #1013 of 2015 🔗

I wonder if he’ll be taken off air when the first of his victims commits suicide? ITV have form there after all

446389 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 9, #1014 of 2015 🔗

Please help as I am a bit new to this caper; does ATL mean ‘all total lies’ and BTL ‘bollocks to lefties’?

446398 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Bungle, #1015 of 2015 🔗

Above The Line (ie the articles), and Below The Line (ie the comments) 🙂

446409 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Quernus, #1016 of 2015 🔗

With regards to the comments sections BTL and article sections ATL. But I prefer your acronyms.

Edit: meant in reply to Bungle

446466 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bungle, 2, #1017 of 2015 🔗

Wow! Even managed to dupe 2 people.

446567 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Bungle, 1, #1018 of 2015 🔗

😂 😂

446610 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bungle, #1019 of 2015 🔗

Some lefties are on our side, so not bollox to all of them.

446395 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 5, #1020 of 2015 🔗

Astra Zeneca has the right under Contractual Agreement to declare the pandemic over by July 2021 and to end its non profit stage.

446407 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1021 of 2015 🔗

July 2022 is the date for the sunset clause. And only the government can do that before then.

Thats not to say they’ll be pushing the government to do so as cases fall away. The same lobbyists that pushed us into this will get us out.

446399 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1022 of 2015 🔗

This government wasnt interested in curing the sick they had spent too much money on vaccines.

446414 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #1023 of 2015 🔗

Pharma has no interest in cures, only treatments.

446418 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to leggy, 2, #1024 of 2015 🔗

Very important distinction.

446604 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1025 of 2015 🔗

And no money on promoting Vitamin D to those who were likely to be deficient, or hydroxychloroquine, or ivermectin, or asthma inhalers to those having breathing difficulties.

446401 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 15, #1026 of 2015 🔗

BREAKING NEWS

Covid deaths linked to obesity!

Oh wait, we knew this last March.

As you were.

446515 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #1027 of 2015 🔗

Overweight nurses who took part in Tiktok dance videos can now claim they knew this all along and were doing it to lose weight.

446417 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 17, #1028 of 2015 🔗

So, you are given an untested medicine, you have an adverse reaction and die. But that’s just coincidence, you were probably old and had an underlying condition. Ok, I get that. But if you are old, with underlying conditions and you die from having a piano dropped on your head, that’s a covid death? Right then…

446419 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1029 of 2015 🔗

That’s exactly how the lie is orchestrated

446423 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, 10, #1030 of 2015 🔗

Makes me sick the amount of people who call me a conspiracy theorist as they always say, well I had covid and it was nasty, my wife still has a sore chest, or my mate etc etc etc.. All I can think, but I never say it, is well you’re still alive and they didn’t even medicate you.

446432 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1031 of 2015 🔗

You are not the only one believe me!

446434 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1032 of 2015 🔗

“Man gets ill, gets better” IS NOT NEWS!!!

446514 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1033 of 2015 🔗

One of the more worrying aspects of the brainwashing is people can’t seem to see the parallels between what is happening now, and how previous authoritarian regimes have come to power. I keep getting told ‘calm down, there’s absolute no comparison with Germany/Russia etc’. It’s a basic misunderstanding of the nature of evil.

Those who know their Bible will know that evil came into the world (ie, through eating an apple) precisely because it looked harmless!

446600 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1034 of 2015 🔗

Exactly, although I don’t know anyone who’s had it.
People have various viral illnesses all the time, but we don’t normally use that as cudgel against everyone else to do as they’re told.
“I had bad flu, so you’ve got to be vaccinated or else.”

446899 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1035 of 2015 🔗

I know, it’s really pathetic. so you just felt rotten for a few days? FFS, get over yourself. If you didn’t die, nor were ever close to it, neither were you left with permanent life changing injuries, then why TF should this be of any interest or concern to anyone? it’s a total non-event.

446422 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1036 of 2015 🔗

…if you are old, with underlying conditions and you die from having a piano dropped on your head, that’s a covid death?

Got it in one, Sam.

446425 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1037 of 2015 🔗

But please, play it again! Piano,orchestrated!!! Music to my ears!

446539 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, #1038 of 2015 🔗

Play it again…?

446420 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 15, #1039 of 2015 🔗

Susan Michie’s wikipedia bio:

Michie studied experimental psychology at Oxford University, obtaining a BA in 1976, and a DPhil in developmental psychology in 1982. She studied clinical psychology at the Institute of Psychiatry, London University, obtaining an MPhil in 1978. She is a chartered clinical psychologist and a chartered health psychologist, and a fellow of the British Psychological Society.

No medical qualifications whatsoever.

She has no knowledge of the health benefits, or risks, from wearing masks; nor is she interested in the benefits, or risks. She’d not interested in children’s, or anyone else’s, physical health. She just wants to experiment on people’s minds.

446497 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Ceriain, 5, #1040 of 2015 🔗

She’s a card carrying member of the communist party, also. I had no idea they still existed, but it doesn’t surprise me to learn that they are alive and well and working for HM government. I thought the civil service was supposed to be strictly impartial, and although SAGE are not the Civil they are surely in an equivalent role?

446538 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ceriain, 2, #1041 of 2015 🔗

What the hell is experimental psychology?
Come to that, what is non-experimental psychology?

446563 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Ceriain, #1042 of 2015 🔗

Does the CHARTERED bit mean she is personally responsible for her advice/actions? I thought that was the case with surveyors, accountants etc. Maybe there is a way to personally skewer the evil witch? I live in hope – correct me if I have the wrong end of the stick

446421 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 3, #1043 of 2015 🔗

The vast majority of people fight off Covid19 without producing antibodies. True or false. To start the ball rolling I am going with True but am open to correction.

446436 ▶▶ John001, replying to Steeve, 6, #1044 of 2015 🔗

My understanding is that they produce antibodies which fade over time.

I’ve seen reports that 40-60% of the population in regions like Greater Tokyo (40 million people) had them by late summer 2020.

People who have existing T-cell immunity will never get the virus or develop antibodies … as someone called Whitty said on 11 May 2020 (what happened to him … ?)

Only 20% of those on ships like the Diamond Princess had been infected by the time that they were taken off board. But I gather that a few more might have caught it if normal life had carried on for longer. So it’s not inconsistent with the 40-60%.

Warning: I’m not a microbiologist or virologist. Maybe someone here is.

446504 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to John001, #1045 of 2015 🔗

Thanks some interesting info. I took it that if you fight off the virus with T cells or I have also heard some kind of defence in your nasal passages, that in a sense you have met the virus and dealt with it. So in this instance you could argue you had Covid 19 for a short time and your body dealt with it through existing immunity as you mention. My take was only a small proportion of the population would then go on to develop antibodies to help with the fight. However your Tokyo report would knock that theory on the head.

446589 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Steeve, 1, #1046 of 2015 🔗

True in some cases, but I don’t know the proportion, i.e. whether it’s a majority or not.

446424 Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 17, #1047 of 2015 🔗

Day two of our third lockdown here in the Isle of Man (some may recall the celebrations and unseemly backslapping a few short weeks ago at our ‘defeating Covid’ for the second time). Actually, my own family have been isolated off and on far longer in reality due to rules around returning.

Now we are locking down hard as ‘cases’ are absolutely everywhere and apparently we must vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate to get us out of this.

I have yet to see any mention of anyone joining the dots re. a connection with the surge in ‘cases’ and deaths and the rolling out of the vaccine, as seen elsewhere, and I don’t expect to either. What I am expecting is massive pressure to have the bloody thing, which I have no intention of doing, hence planning my return to the UK is the only thing keeping me sane.

446430 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #1048 of 2015 🔗

Joel Smalley looking at association between vaccinations and covid deaths for Isle of Man it appears, I think that’s what he’s saying

https://twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1367195261429293059

446445 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #1049 of 2015 🔗

Thanks.

My comment was a bit confusing re. deaths; I meant the increases seen elsewhere as I think our last acknowledged death was August. ‘Cases’ may have surged here but talk of any deaths or adverse reactions will be severely curtailed.

446448 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Dame Lynet, 3, #1050 of 2015 🔗

If you need any help escaping on a dingy let me know!

446542 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1051 of 2015 🔗

Lol, I might need all the help I can get!

But the Irish Sea can be, er, a bit lively even from the comfort of a cabin on the boat.

446536 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Dame Lynet, 4, #1052 of 2015 🔗

Lynet, while you’re on the island, please keep us posted. It’s an interesting take on the nonsense of ‘zero Covid’.

446549 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to Annie, 1, #1053 of 2015 🔗

Annie, it’s just bedwetter central, like a lot of small-ish and island places, and the authoritarianism and forced conformity is off the scale.

It’s a shame, a lovely place spoilt, but I think it may be unsurvivable if you don’t want the jab.

446595 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dame Lynet, 1, #1054 of 2015 🔗

Difference is you can pitchfork the politicians as they are within walking distance

446429 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1055 of 2015 🔗

Fact: Infections still falling
Reported as: “The fall in infections has slowed down”

Fact: Deaths linked to vaccination continue to rise
Reported as: [……………………………………………………..]

446449 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #1056 of 2015 🔗

However the DM has run this story today. Bearing in mind the best rated readers comment will probably get their wrists slapped by Wankcock and his ‘Vaccine’ Tsar.
‘Health worker who had the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine now in intensive care after going into anaphylactic shock’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9324711/Health-worker-goes-anaphylactic-shock-getting-Pfizer-Covid-vaccine.html

Best rated readers comment:

‘That is EXACTLY why the vaccine should NOT BE MANDATORY!!!!’

869 upticks 350 downticks

446510 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to isobar, 2, #1057 of 2015 🔗

Only one person in anaphylactic shock? There’s been a lot more in the US.

446521 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to LMS2, 1, #1058 of 2015 🔗

Agreed, but found it interesting that the DM would run this kind of article and thus go against the flow.

446640 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to LMS2, #1059 of 2015 🔗

I think the UK media has covered three cases of anaphylactic shock since the vaccination programme began. Two right at the beginning and now this one. What I find strange is that these three reported cases were all health workers when there must have been many cases amongst the wider population. Why the focus on a handful of cases amongst health workers? Anyone have any theories?

446435 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 20, #1060 of 2015 🔗

Britain’s getter fatter,
We’ve given up the gym,
We’re eating up our take-aways
It’s harder to stay trim.

Boris closed the swimming pools,
And told us ‘stay at home,
Don’t go out unless you must,
But you can pick up the phone.’

You can dial out for pizza,
The Chinese opens late,
If you’re looking for a change,
Get curry for your date.

You’ll have to date on Zoom,
And eat curry while you chat,
No one sees your bottom half,
That cannot see the fat.

This lockdown is quite deadly,
As we eat in great excess,
We’re storing up a crisis,
For our precious NHS.

446494 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Liberty, 4, #1061 of 2015 🔗

I vote for Liberty to be the LS poet laureate.

446437 GuyRich, replying to GuyRich, 11, #1062 of 2015 🔗

First Hitchens, now Swayne…..

https://twitter.com/DesmondSwayne/status/1367398282398416896

Controlled opposition from the start or have they been got at??

446444 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to GuyRich, 6, #1063 of 2015 🔗

Don’t forget Lord Sumption – he’s had his jab and doesn’t seem to have a problem with vaccine passports. Thinks that if scared people are reassured by everyone having the vaccine, then that’s alright then (see his interview with Freddie Sayers of Unherd posted today – https://youtu.be/5lXAA7ZOROc )

446488 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Quernus, 5, #1064 of 2015 🔗

Yes, because we should always make our decisions based on the feelings of pathetic cowards.

447038 ▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Quernus, #1065 of 2015 🔗

Sumption as well then. Either scamming since the start or someone has something on them. Oh well, three pathetic weasels we can do without. We march on.

446447 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to GuyRich, 6, #1066 of 2015 🔗

I’m assuming he won’t be wearing a mask in the HOC anymore, now that he’s ‘protected’.

446508 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to GuyRich, 3, #1067 of 2015 🔗

And this is the bllx that’s in answer to the many who are still saying no:

“The vaccine helps keep you and everyone around you self, its also a civic responsibility to take the vaccine for the good of the nation too coz its the only way out of this crisis.”

The collectivist answer, ignoring personal choice, and more to the point, ignoring the states in the U.S. who are not under lockdown, and have rejected the lunacy, without forcing their populations to undergo vaccination as a condition of freedom.

446439 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 16, #1068 of 2015 🔗

10 year old son’s last on-line art class before he goes back on Monday. The subject? Draw a mask with the caption “Wear a mask during COVID!” – decorate with rainbows. And shit like that.

446442 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Still Got It, 9, #1069 of 2015 🔗

Brainwashing.

446443 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Still Got It, 3, #1070 of 2015 🔗

Invitation for a sendup.

A stripy version, perhaps? Numbered? Some reference to freedom?

446454 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Still Got It, 13, #1071 of 2015 🔗

Perhaps a tribute to Lana Del Rey’s mask is in order! 🙂

446459 ▶▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 4, #1072 of 2015 🔗

This maybe the solution folks. This is a mask. It’s called science and it’s peer reviewed.

446475 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Still Got It, 2, #1073 of 2015 🔗

Pathetic

446484 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Still Got It, 3, #1074 of 2015 🔗

Home Ed! The Art is much better. That sounds like patronising crap!

446502 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #1075 of 2015 🔗

Get him to paint one with a caption above that says masks “set you free” but in the style of Auschwitz works sets you free

446500 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Still Got It, 3, #1076 of 2015 🔗

How about a mask with the slogan “MASKS DON’T WORK” or “THIS IS ABUSE”

446511 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Still Got It, 5, #1077 of 2015 🔗

Are they teaching art or propaganda?

446529 ▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #1078 of 2015 🔗

Straight out of the Soviet playbook isn’t it? Thank you for responses chaps – I don’t whether to laugh or cry anymore.

446530 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Still Got It, 2, #1079 of 2015 🔗

Decorate with devils.
All this ( shit) will I give you, if you will fall down and worship Covid.

446541 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Still Got It, 1, #1080 of 2015 🔗

more indoctrination.

446446 Bella Donna, 7, #1081 of 2015 🔗

I’m trying the Simpkins and Rose Food Box as suggested above. I’ll let you know the outcome next week.

446458 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1082 of 2015 🔗

This morning I thought “what the hell” and sent Pfizer an e-mail asking them to clarify the discrepancies between study numbers, descriptions etc.

Surprisingly I have received an answer.

Unsurprisingly they did not give me the info I asked for but their reply does state:

Thank you for your enquiry regarding our medicine COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2.

Refer to the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 Package leaflet regarding the Vaccine. Pfizer does not suggest or recommend the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 in any manner other than as described

So changing from 21 days to 12 weeks is not recommended then.

It also says:

Due to pharmaceutical regulations, we are unfortunately unable to provide you with information on this medicine, beyond that contained in the published prescribing information.

So their get out for not giving me the info – we’re not allowed to.

Still, I tried.

446476 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1083 of 2015 🔗

Ah, but not allowed to be whom and why? Email to MHRA perhaps AG?

446501 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to vargas99, #1084 of 2015 🔗

They just say things like “we’re monitoring things as we should and nothing to see here” and link to a Government webpage spouting nonsense.

446462 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #1085 of 2015 🔗

Can somebody please republish the table of covid deaths by age group and with or without comorbidities pleass. I need it to demonstrate to a friend that a doctor lied to her.

446471 ▶▶ Will, replying to Richy_m_99, #1086 of 2015 🔗

I tried to find just such a table the other day and couldn’t.

446546 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Will, #1087 of 2015 🔗

Actually I just found it in this document.

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

The figures were correct to Jan 21st.

446491 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Richy_m_99, #1088 of 2015 🔗

For English hospitals in the weekly spreadsheet downloadable from here

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

446509 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, #1089 of 2015 🔗

Here is the latest one

446524 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Freecumbria, #1090 of 2015 🔗

Thanks – so this is just England right?

446548 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to CGL, 2, #1091 of 2015 🔗

That’s correct.

446614 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Freecumbria, #1092 of 2015 🔗

Brilliant thanks.

446557 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1093 of 2015 🔗

675 people under 60 without preexisting conditions. Or 0.8%

446537 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Freecumbria, #1094 of 2015 🔗

Thanks but this was a simple table listing total hospital deaths in Enland and Wales listed by age group (total was about 76k) them divided into those with no comorbidity (about 3.7k) and those with.

446545 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Freecumbria, #1095 of 2015 🔗

When I go into this link, it is just showing analyses of that day’s deaths.
How do you get to the table you have done below showing all deaths since day 1?
I’ve tried to do this before when people have posted this link and always find the same problem.
Thanks very much

446554 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to CGL, 1, #1096 of 2015 🔗

I’ve found it – it’s the table called “Covid19 Total Announced Deaths Weekly File” – Table 3 (Deaths by Condition)

I’ll make a note – thank you!

446559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to CGL, 1, #1097 of 2015 🔗

Cross posted, yes that’s right

446558 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to CGL, 1, #1098 of 2015 🔗

It’s the file from the link above called

COVID 19 total announced deaths 4 March 2021 – weekly file

I don’t know where the figures for Wales are published.

The ONS publishes weekly deaths for England and Wales for all settings on a Tuesday but from memory doesn’t break them down into comorbidity or not, just by age and cause of death

446581 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1099 of 2015 🔗

Many thanks – I think this table certainly puts the numbers into perspective

446463 isobar, replying to isobar, 6, #1101 of 2015 🔗

Parents fear pupils will face ‘mask apartheid’ after schools warned children will have to sit at back of class or be banned from lunch with friends if they refuse to wear them
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9325891/Parents-fear-pupils-face-mask-apartheid-refuse-wear-face-coverings-schools.html

446512 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to isobar, 3, #1102 of 2015 🔗

They should do this. Wear yellow stars too. Fists in the air. Agree and Amplify.

446526 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 9, #1103 of 2015 🔗

Most schools, of course, have vigorous, ongoing anti-bullying campaigns.
Don’t they?

446550 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Annie, 5, #1104 of 2015 🔗

Sceptics are, apparently, the last class of people who are allowed to be bullied and shamed. The “mask apartheid” is a real concern as it is happening here in Ontario. There are very few unmasked kids in the schools — they have to have parents who were willing to fight hard for them to be allowed in the classroom as school principals have taken it upon themselves to ignore exemptions written by medical specialists (rarer than hen’s teeth). They have tried to put the unmasked kids in basements and keep them segregated from the rest. It’s really awful. One of the few things I’m thankful for is that I don’t have young kids in school anymore.

446855 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1105 of 2015 🔗

Germany is even worse.
There is a witch hunt on since the summer against anyone who has a medical exemption and against the doctors who issued those exemptions.
It’s solely about ensuring obedience.
As usual and expected with any Gessler’s hat and the German peoples character and expeience in those regards.
And they invented and implemented first that schooling with open windows and in coats too, of course.

446465 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1106 of 2015 🔗

Is this the Trish Greenhalgh who’s gobbing off?:

https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/team/trish-greenhalgh

Direct e-mails for her and her PA on the page if it is.

446469 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1107 of 2015 🔗

Her page links to this article (not her’s) on the BMJ:

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223

At the top:

Rigid safe distancing rules are an oversimplification based on outdated science and experiences of past viruses

So I read the article and “it’s still conured up out of nowhere” is my conclusion but the authors want nor complicated, convoluted rules base don inside/outside/air flow/occupancy and all sorts of things unworkable in the real world.

446473 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1108 of 2015 🔗

Buts he did write this one and it’s total bollocks:

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435

446496 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1109 of 2015 🔗

You’ll laugh at these snippets from it:

In conclusion, in the face of a pandemic the search for perfect evidence may be the enemy of good policy. As with parachutes for jumping out of aeroplanes, it is time to act without waiting for randomised controlled trial evidence.

A pooled meta-analysis found no significant reduction in influenza transmission

None showed a significant reduction in laboratory confirmed influenza in the face mask arm. The authors concluded: “randomized controlled trials of [face masks] did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

But face masks still work she claims.

All the papers she “reviews” to justify her position are all cherry picked to meet her point of view, the 60+ know of that show a different conclusion dating back to 1980 are ignored.

I guess “the members of the covid-19 researchers Google group” who had a discussion that inspired the paper couldn’t find them.

And “Elaine Toomey of Cochrane Ireland for sharing unpublished data from an ongoing review of face masks for the general public” showed her some secret information that has never been published as this is what turns up in a search and it’s from Feb 2020:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340226486_What_is_the_efficacy_of_standard_face_masks_compared_to_respirator_masks_in_preventing_COVID-type_respiratory_illnesses_in_primary_care_staff .

She’s a self-deluded academic.

446835 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1110 of 2015 🔗

A proper scientist changes his mind, opinion and hypothesis when his research comes up with facts that contradict his original hypothesis.
Those people just fit any findings of their research to their biases.
They are no proper scientists.

446506 ▶▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1111 of 2015 🔗

Conclusion: “We could find any real proof that masks work, so wear a mask… just in case.”

446470 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1112 of 2015 🔗

Is she the one who thinks people doing exercise ought to wear masks? Presumably she has no problem accepting liability then in the event of illness or injury, or god forbid, worse…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8283965/Two-Chinese-boys-drop-dead-run-PE-lessons-wearing-face-masks.html

Couple of schoolchildren in Germany also sadly died, but supposedly fact checkers ‘proved’ it was nothing to do with wearing masks all day.

446482 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 6, #1113 of 2015 🔗

I just used a fact checker, It says there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that I farted last night.

446525 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1114 of 2015 🔗

When some of us fart, the evidence is irrefutable.
Not sure if it lingers for 28 days, though.

446533 ▶▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Annie, #1115 of 2015 🔗

Might need an anal swab to check that out!

446574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Annie, #1116 of 2015 🔗

Sphincter muzzles incoming

446578 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Crystal Decanter, #1117 of 2015 🔗

Already exists, underwear which filters any anal air.

446474 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 13, #1118 of 2015 🔗

So, the great lord sumption is actually a supporter of compulsory vaccination and vaxx passports! WOW! WOW! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXAA7ZOROc from 30:34 to 32:00 Welcome to Gulag Britain!

446489 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to TheClone, 17, #1119 of 2015 🔗

I really am surprised about his view, not about taking the vaccine, it is his choice along with everyone elses but the key word is “choice”. As a lawyer he must know about informed consent and discrimination. In addition he must know about Nuremberg.

446495 ▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to Cumbriacracked, 6, #1120 of 2015 🔗

I didn’t believe in vaxx possport and I was naive to still believe in freedom and democracy in the UK until today! I’m now pretty sure we will all have vaxx passports before the end of this year.

446527 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TheClone, 10, #1121 of 2015 🔗

I think that’s the intent of all of our governments, but they are so incompetent I believe it’ll take a lot longer than they let on. Track and Trace has been a roaring success everywhere (NOT!). What about kids — are vaccinated parents not allowed to travel with their children? My friend with Lupus is, I’m sure, not being advised to get the vaccine — what will her status be? Believe me, I’m not minimizing the dangers ahead and I’m convinced this is what they want to happen, but their sheer incompetence might buy us enough time for the “vaccine’s” effects to be too big to cover up.

446830 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1122 of 2015 🔗

I am counting on the French to throw a spanner into those EU works in that regard, which would also seriously torpedo their andnother nations most aggressive ideas here and leave all people with other options (tests probably).
Half the people there seem very anti-vaxx.

446516 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Cumbriacracked, 17, #1123 of 2015 🔗

I think notable sceptics are being informed of something we aren’t privy to – I’d love to know what it is because it must be something pretty big if it’s worth giving up all your principles for.

446648 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to jos, #1124 of 2015 🔗

Really? Like… what?

446949 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to FedupofLies, #1125 of 2015 🔗

One of 3 possibilities:- a carrot:financial or social incentive/ a stick: a threat to himself or someone he loves/ a reality check: we’re doing this for some other reason that we can’t tell people about because they would panic. I’m going for the last of these (which could be a true or a fake reason – it’s just enough that they believe it) but I have no idea what this is (could be ‘we’re being threatened by China and they’ll release another virus that this really will work against which will kill off the unvaccinated’ for example. Or he was a fake from the beginning?

446534 ▶▶▶ ekd, replying to Cumbriacracked, 23, #1126 of 2015 🔗

Nothing makes sense anymore. His opinion on vaccines and vaccine passports is philosophically in contradiction with everything else he says. If coercion (and this is coercion) can be considered acceptable on the basis that many people are irrational, then there is no limit to the horror that can be imposed on us.

446592 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to ekd, 9, #1127 of 2015 🔗

Quite right.

I’ve never seen him more uncomfortable and muddle-headed that during that clip. Utterly uncharacteristic. As with Hitchens, perhaps that jab has turned his brains.

A society that goes down that route will be a hell-hole for everyone.

446953 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to TJN, 1, #1128 of 2015 🔗

Maybe better to be muddle-headed than clear-headed if we’re all in hell.

446612 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cumbriacracked, 8, #1129 of 2015 🔗

Hugely disappointing. His reasoning is that venues will require this to attract people back because they are so fearful. However, as I mentioned a few days ago in relation to the man who owns Hatton Country park and a pub, this will have some people not going, and this will cause the businesses to go under anyway. Plus, Lord Sumption thinks there is a massive support for these measures – I think his problem is (like Toby et al) taking opinion polls seriously.

Overall however the interview on Unherd was a good one. He thinks people will cease obeying the laws on this.

446660 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1130 of 2015 🔗

Unherd hasn’t gone anwhere near the “Bill Gates stuff” as I head the Chelsea Clinton connected Freddie Sayer say sotto voce in one of his interviews.

Google their names and you will see they knew each other at Oxford or Harvard or somewhere.

It is a conspiracy !

446962 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #1131 of 2015 🔗

I don’t know about you but I’m not refusing a jab because I’ve listened to Hitchens or Sumption. I’m refusing it because I listen to myself and the insistence makes no sense at all.

447050 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jos, 1, #1132 of 2015 🔗

Bang on. Think for yourself.

446618 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to TheClone, 11, #1133 of 2015 🔗

I wouldn’t exactly call it “support” but it’s still very, very disappointing to hear from him. He says that introducing vaxxports would be “a regrettable step” but less bad than continued lockdown. I despise that type of argumentation; both things are unacceptably bad and shouldn’t even be considered in a free society.

446477 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 16, #1134 of 2015 🔗

kh1485 – today, on a whim, I decided to drive to SW to go to your cafe. However, when I got there I see that the only day of the week that you are closed is Thursdays! Oh well, only a 1 hr 40 m round trip?!

I’ll visit again on a non-Thursday in a few weeks.

446483 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kenadams, 5, #1135 of 2015 🔗

Ah well nice to get out…

446486 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kenadams, 3, #1136 of 2015 🔗

Chuckle.

446523 ▶▶ Annie, replying to kenadams, 7, #1137 of 2015 🔗

That is known as Sod’s Law, and it is the most constant law of the universe. Hubble’s constant is a wobbly jelly by comparison.
Like all the museums across Europe that I haven’t seen because my only available day was their closed day.
It never fails.
See you at kh’s some day that isn’t a Thursday!

446551 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to kenadams, 1, #1138 of 2015 🔗

Did you sit on the infamous bench?

446605 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to kenadams, #1139 of 2015 🔗

It’s the thought that counts.

446481 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1140 of 2015 🔗

https://www.nisra.gov.uk/statistics/births-deaths-and-marriages/cause-death

For those that like datasets to analyse the Northern Ireland Stats Agency have published their 10 months excess deaths analysis. Some very interesting but not unexpected numbers.

For example, there was a continuation of excess deaths through summer. August had 19 CV-19 deaths listed, but over 100 deaths over the 5 year average.

Over the year, they cite 1,950 excess deaths beyond an expected 12,700 deaths overall. 1900 of the 12,000 deaths are from Covid they say.

70% of the excess deaths are marked as at home. Only 5% in hospital. 119 Covid deaths are listed as at home. This equates to an overall excess of 40% at home rise over the 5 year average.

This is an excellent dataset for a microcosm of death burden in the UK. Its seriously illuminating the damage of restricting access to the NHS.

Excess deaths in hospital sits at 1.8% above average.

446493 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1141 of 2015 🔗

This is the best chart

446535 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1142 of 2015 🔗

Thanks, I am always grateful for you to provide the N Irish data BBRS.

446485 Jo, replying to Jo, 10, #1143 of 2015 🔗

A man I know, about 60, “can’t wait to have the vaccine” that he has arranged. Whilst I must admit I had a slight lift in mood when I realised (thanks to photo shot on here of NHS leaflet) that I cannot have said “vaccine” at present (and who knows when this might change) due to severe allergy, this has done little to abate the generalised misery I feel at our situation, underlined by the fact that people we looked to as being eloquent and firm in supporting our cause, have bowed to pressure.

446519 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Jo, 14, #1144 of 2015 🔗

That’s what I don’t understand. Why is anyone who is the least bit hesitant bowing to the pressure before there’s a need to? Our only power is in our numbers, so I do take it somewhat personally when a fence sitter caves in prematurely. There won’t be any international travel to speak of until at least 2022 anyway, and I’d urge people to watch and wait to see what happens next flu season and whether the ADE/pathogenic priming possibility comes to pass. Other medium-term effects may also be evident by the end of this year.

446582 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 6, #1145 of 2015 🔗

As to your question why, I have thought since last April/May that there is an eschatological element to this. Biblical prophecy is very cryptic but the second letter of Paul tot he Thessalonians (chapter 2) says that at the end of time there will come a great delusion that will destroy those who are deluded because they loved not the truth (which is pretty much most of humanity). Plus there would be a great falling away (apostasy) – and look at all the churches that have closed and gone to virtual meetings in defiance of Christ’s command.

Anyone feel free anyone to denounce me as a nut.

446635 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1146 of 2015 🔗

Not at all, I do wonder if these are the end times.

446677 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #1147 of 2015 🔗

I’m not religious, but we have discussed in our Vaccine Choice Canada meetings how to handle friends and family who are rushing to get the experimental gene therapy. A fair few people think it’s their soul’s path and that we cannot stop them. Maybe they will be the sacrificial lambs? I do think this could prove to be an extinction-level event — not that humans haven’t survived them before. I’ve said it a few times here and elsewhere that it’s quite possible the unvaccinated will inherit the earth. We may be the only ones left healthy enough to keep things running.

446813 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1148 of 2015 🔗

The Stand.
As for the vaccinated: No big loss.
(Satire, not my wish. We’d be proven right but live a hellish life.)

446924 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #1149 of 2015 🔗

The sort of stuff I sometimes read and today there was quite a few comments about people of a more “esoteric” turn of mind commenting that they are using to seeing/sensing peoples auras (for want of another way to put it) and various comments about spotting those auras are different and it feels like there’s some wierd sort of obstacle there – and then the person tells them they’ve had the jab. Others saying they’ve tried to give absent healing and it felt like they weren’t getting through to them – and then they found they’d had the jab. The jury is still out in my mind on this, but I think it could be possible that the person themselves has been altered in some way by this.

446490 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1150 of 2015 🔗

I just got this from the caravan and motorhome club:

“Well Spring is definitely in the air and following the recent Government announcements from across the UK, we’re delighted to share with you an update on our UK Club campsites: England – we’re currently planning to reopen all our Club campsites in England for stays from 12 April 2021 .
Scotland – our Club campsites in Scotland will remain closed up to and including 4 April 2021. We are awaiting further information from the Scottish Government regarding the period 5-25 April 2021 and no new bookings are being accepted during these dates; however bookings can be made for stays from 26 April 2021 . If you have a booking already between 5-25 April there’s no need to cancel it at this stage, we’ll let you know what to do once we have further guidance from the Scottish Government.
Wales – we’re currently planning to reopen all our Club campsites in Wales for stays from 29 March 2021 .

While all reopening dates are subject to strict Government conditions being met, this is long-awaited good news and we’re really looking forward to welcoming you back onto our COVID secure campsites.

We are still awaiting further clarification on the use of communal areas and shared facilities (including toilet blocks and showers) and will publish an update on our website as soon as possible.”

So good news however looks like they will be opening up with all the insane covid bollocks still in place. Thankfully this was pretty relaxed in the right places last year.

I really want them to at lest drop track n trace, why you have to register for this when sitting in the middle of a big field is anybodies guess.

446499 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1151 of 2015 🔗

With ref to track and trace, I did notice prior to the most recent “lockdown”, many coffee shops etc I visited had given up doing it, both the QR codes and pen and paper.

446531 ▶▶ peterthepainter, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1152 of 2015 🔗

I wrote to them about this and they said that you didn’t have to use T&T if you didn’t want to. They have your contact details anyway.

We have never used the app – don’t have it on our phones. When we were away last September we filled in our right names and gave our landline number where they would have got the answerphone as we were away!

446596 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to peterthepainter, 4, #1153 of 2015 🔗

I miss the track and trace games of the summer. I used to use my MP’s details, but then he started to vote against Coronabollocks bills. Then for the places where the staff verbally asked for your details, I switched to using details for obviously fake names – such as “Sajid Javid”. I was planning to try “Jess Phillips” to see what they said to that, but we got locked down again.

446663 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #1154 of 2015 🔗

I used Matt Hancock’s, it gave me a little bit of pleasure.

446498 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #1155 of 2015 🔗

I don’t know if anyone else has seen the masks worn by a few of the reporters on BBC Midlands today ?
They look like mini aquariums.
PATHETIC.

446568 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1156 of 2015 🔗

Deleted.

446572 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1157 of 2015 🔗

I haven’t watched Midlands Today in a year. I personally know two of their reporters and I can just guess how hysterical their coverage will have been.

446585 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1159 of 2015 🔗

The summary linked to by Gateway Pundit doesn’t include that fact so you have to link to the full pre-print article which includes this line in the abstract. However, the paper say s this is due to greater underlying risk of getting the infection. This is the bullshit excuse that ahs accompanied very single outbreak in a nursing home coincident with the beginning of vaccination. Thank you for posting.
“Results Individuals aged >=80 years vaccinated with BNT162b2 prior to 4th January, had a higher odds of testing positive in the first 9 days after vaccination (odds ratio up to 1.48, 95%CI 1.23-1.77), indicating that those initially targeted had a higher underlying risk of infection.”
Higher underlying risk of the infection – yeah, from the vaccine.

446742 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1160 of 2015 🔗

“As the vaccination program began in earnest in January, worrying signs came from care homes, where many of the initial target population of people aged over 80 reside. At Pemberley House in Basingstoke, England, a third of the residents died of Covid-19. The death toll of 24 was unusual in a home that had previously been free from the disease. Similar reports emerged from Germany.”

12 residents died in my mum’s care home, around the time they started vaccinating them.
I refused to have my mum vaccinated. She’d tested positive already, so didn’t need it.

446517 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 9, #1161 of 2015 🔗

Haven’t been keeping up with posts so apologies if someone else has mentioned this but basically if everyone had managed their weight correctly there probably would not have been a Covid crisis.

But that would never do as Big Pharma couldn’t reap a massive financial harvest.

Britain’s Covid death toll has been fuelled by its obesity epidemic, experts have said, as global research finds nine in 10 fatalities occurred in countries with a weight problem.
The study by the World Obesity Federation examined almost 100 countries and found that 2.2 million of 2.5 million deaths occurred in countries with high levels of obesity. Overall, death rates were found to be 10 times higher in countries where more than half the population was overweight.

It found that not a single country with low levels of obesity had a coronavirus death rate higher than 10 per 100,000 population. No country with death rates above 100 per 100,000 had less than 50 per cent of its population overweight.

Obesity has already been found to increase the risk of death from Covid-19 by around 50 per cent, as well as increasing the risk of severe disease, and the World Health Organisation said the report should act as a “wake-up call” for governments to tackle their nations’ obesity problems.

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19-and-Obesity-The-2021-Atlas.pdf

446528 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Schrodinger, 26, #1162 of 2015 🔗

And the irony of it is, is that lockdown will have increased the obesity crisis by forcing people to have a more sedentary lifestyle staying at home, closing gyms, the police sending people away from parks whilst they are out exercising, e.t.c. The majority of people I know have gained weight during lockdown.

446532 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Ganjan21, #1163 of 2015 🔗

Yeah, bloody 1/2 stone.

446544 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1164 of 2015 🔗

I actually managed to lose 10 lbs in the lead up to Christmas but its now back on, with an extra 2lbs. My husband has at least a stone on.

446583 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Ganjan21, 6, #1165 of 2015 🔗

The question is whether a very widespread reduction in health levels is actually considered a positive by the purveyors of the fraud. After seeing how they surpressed vitamin D information while simultaneously locking people away from sunlight, a little excess fat probably assists with the death figures too.

446540 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Schrodinger, 14, #1166 of 2015 🔗

I know several obese people, who are now far larger due to the lockdowns and working from home. I could not get my head round why if you are obese and there is a virus which kills mainly obese people, and you are terrified of it (Covid), you would not at least attempt a diet.

People are fanatical about masks and “following the rules” and yet there has been no national campaign to get the country healthier, loosing weight is difficult for many, as if you are obese it is a total lifestyle change, and not instant, being able to go to a gym and get advice would be helpful but they are all closed. I wish instead of the track and trace and other useless schemes the tories have wasted money on, they had promoted weight loss and helped these people with plenty of support and advice.

446547 ▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to liztr835, 4, #1167 of 2015 🔗

Yes, same here! I have two obese friends and I was shocked at how much extra weight they piled on in the last year, one when I saw her personally and another on Zoom. They are pretty much pro-lockdown, yet don’t see the way fit to protect themselves by shedding a few lbs. On the flipside, its hard to with no weight loss clubs in person or gyms for the motivation/support.

446651 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ganjan21, 2, #1168 of 2015 🔗

Two of my “old” mates, in their mid to late 50’s are now physical wrecks. The guy has put on at least 2 stone, he is huge and his GF has developed a very wierd skin complaint. I saw them back in July. So I am sure their issues are double bad now with a few other things thrown in or good measure. Both of them smoke like troopers. They love the lockdown too.

447294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Two-Six, #1169 of 2015 🔗

Maybe soon there won’t be so much food about. There wasn’t in the last war.

446561 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to liztr835, 11, #1170 of 2015 🔗

yeh, just as it’s not about public health for the governments, so with the population it’s not about personal health – it is rather a form of mental illness: hypochondria, obsessive compulsive disorder, morbid fear of death. if it were about personal health and hygiene, they would as you say look after their diet, their metabolic health, follow an exercise regime, but no, it’s all about masks and social distancing and vaccines

446584 ▶▶▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #1171 of 2015 🔗

Exactly, and perhaps there is a correlation of those willing to fill their faces every day with fatty processed food, then why should they care what else they do their bodies with depriving themselves of oxygen and getting jabbed with an unlicenced vaccine.
No offence to those overweight, I am partial to the occassional fish supper myself.

446569 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to liztr835, 10, #1172 of 2015 🔗

It’s easier to wear a face rag or demand a magic jab than to do the hard work of cooking fresh food and taking the stairs instead of a lift.

446629 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to liztr835, 3, #1173 of 2015 🔗

“I could not get my head round why if you are obese and there is a virus which kills mainly obese people, and you are terrified of it (Covid), you would not at least attempt a diet.”

Depression, hopelessness, and that food is often one of the only sources of dopamine for some people. This blame game helps no one – so many have eaten more, exercised less and put on weight.

446751 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to liztr835, 3, #1174 of 2015 🔗

Because putting a mask on is easy; losing your flab takes hard work, dedication and sacrifice.

446552 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Schrodinger, 1, #1175 of 2015 🔗

.

Since ‘covid deaths’ represent a cross-section of all deaths and since obesity is correlated with all other causes of death, then obesity is automatically correlated with ‘covid’.

446553 ▶▶ jos, replying to Schrodinger, 5, #1176 of 2015 🔗

It’s all a lie so they can provide us with rationing as part of the starvation programme we’ll be on when the economy crashes. That certainly will have an impact on our weight.

446564 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #1177 of 2015 🔗

I would say that’s a little misleading, in that obesity causes,

Heart disease
Diabetes
strokes
High cholesterol
and any other long list of conditions.

So again, was it covid that killed them or simply being obese

446566 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1178 of 2015 🔗

Exactly.

‘any cause of death’ + positive PCR = covid.

446571 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Schrodinger, 10, #1179 of 2015 🔗

The Pig Dictator is getting hammed on the Twatter over his obesity tweet
Open the gyms you fat fuck

446597 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #1180 of 2015 🔗

The constant targeting of gyms shows this situation has nothing to do with health.

446543 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 4, #1181 of 2015 🔗

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new#adjustments_to_deaths_within_28_days_of_a_positive_test_for_wales_scotland_and_uk_totals

Following clinical validation work in Wales, three individuals previously reported as having died within 28 days of a positive test result have been removed from the figures. Public Health Scotland identified an additional 3 recently registered deaths within 28 days of a positive test result. The total number of deaths in Wales, Scotland and the United Kingdom have been adjusted accordingly.

Can’t have the death numbers going down, so Krankie steps in to save the day.

446555 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ceriain, 1, #1182 of 2015 🔗

So honest!

446570 disgruntled246, replying to disgruntled246, 20, #1183 of 2015 🔗

Home from my stint at the False Positive Test centre, also known as secondary school, and rather discouraged by the alacrity, enthusiasm and compliance with which parents are prepared to sign their children up to this nonsense. Even ones where the children have quite severe SEN things going on like autism and sensory issues. Surely this is going to freak those children out? Even if you were so desperate to play the testing game that you wanted your child to be tested, surely you’d make sure that you did it yourself or took them along to a centre where you could be with them, not having it done in the school cafegymatorium in front of other teenagers.

446593 ▶▶ RickH, replying to disgruntled246, 9, #1184 of 2015 🔗

I’m currently working on a ‘Covid Induced Hysteria Sight Test’ card. It comprises a picture of August Landmesser (allegedly – if doubtfully identified) in that famous image of a crowd saluting Hitler, and asking whether you can find the one who’s not a Wally.

Of course, there’ll be a lot of offense-taking. But, frankly, after a year of this shit, I don’t much care.

446573 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 22, #1185 of 2015 🔗

Anyone listening to Bharat Pankhania on Talk Radio? This is what we’re up against with these people. They want everyone masked for ever. They’ve always wanted it for flu but now their dreams have come true. Anyone who thinks young kids should be masked is deranged.

446594 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #1186 of 2015 🔗

There’s an actual mask lobby?

You’ve got to be kidding me.

446636 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to awildgoose, #1187 of 2015 🔗

These mofo’s have been pushing the face naps since March HARD….
https://masks4all.org/

446669 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1188 of 2015 🔗

I can only think it is a fetishist thing? There can be no other explanation

446686 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1189 of 2015 🔗

It’s interesting to see who is behind them as well – usual suspects.

446603 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Fear is Finite, 14, #1190 of 2015 🔗

Anybody who thinks anyone should be muzzled up is deranged in my book. I agree though, the masking of children is particularly heinous.

446698 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1191 of 2015 🔗

Mark Dolan gave him a hard time although he was far too polite. Bharat kept saying oh look at how well it’s worked in the Far East therefore we must look at the evidence blah blah, as though their low impact from Covid had anything to do with 5 year olds masked in schools. I don’t know why no one ever forwards the argument that 20 masks on a kid is going to have zero impact on people catching Covid in care homes and hospitals, get your own house in order!

447102 ▶▶ liztr835, replying to Fear is Finite, #1192 of 2015 🔗

How can any sane person think they work, I really despair. They are germ riden filth rags, cases never go down when mask mandates are implemented and yet people like Bharat still think we should wear them. If I was a presenter I would be confronting people like him with this data, look at North & South Dakota

446576 George L, replying to George L, 7, #1193 of 2015 🔗

Everything is going to plan.. getting shot of all those pesky pensioners is just what the ‘doctor’ ordered.. quids in..

446608 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to George L, 7, #1194 of 2015 🔗

When our Dear Leader won the election he claimed he had a final solution to the elderly adult social care problem but did not say what it was.
But now we guesses, oh yes we guesses!

446959 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1195 of 2015 🔗

All gone, gollum!

446577 Helen, replying to Helen, 11, #1196 of 2015 🔗

This short video highlights the fact that certain aspects of the Covid mainstream narrative simply do not add up.

https://lbry.tv/@shortXXvids:e/Ask-yourself-why-covid-19:1

The German Corona Committee is actively investigating events around the pandemic and exists to bring justice to people who have suffered damages due disproportionate measures enacted by governments on the advice of a narrow range of so-called experts who speak only for one side of the scientific / ethical debate.

446602 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Helen, 2, #1197 of 2015 🔗

20 hospitals closed in Germany during the past year.

446933 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Helen, #1198 of 2015 🔗

Helen. If you still haven’t read it, this is the full summary of their investigations so far. You will find that the German governnent were, in fact, listening to only one man. That person was Drosten, the man behind the PCR covid test.

https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/tag/panic-paper/?fbclid=IwAR2sINgnUqXhflIaU766z223m4DgFQeQHChmXrEh7NFl7a1Ocw-sK6U5Hcw

446587 SimonCook, 8, #1199 of 2015 🔗

Spotted this on Twitter from a lady called Dominey Jenner (I think she may be a colleague of Laura Perrins at Conservative Woman) and thought it was worth sharing…

The Innova LFT is not intended for use for children with no symptoms.

Its own instructions are clear: ‘intended for individuals who are suspected of COVID-19 by their healthcare provider, within the first five days of the onset of symptoms’.

Why are they being used in schools?

https://cdn.website-editor.net/6f54caea7c6f4adfba8399428f3c0b0c/files/uploaded/Innova-SARS-Cov-2-Antigen-test-IFU.pdf

446590 janejakobs, replying to janejakobs, 4, #1200 of 2015 🔗

Lovely poem above the line on the experience of not masking. I just did a podcast much in line with this, on the invisible harms of coercion and how concerning it is that the public denies this harm. Please check it out if you find this kind thing interesting.

https://friedavizel.com/2021/03/03/feeling/

446717 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to janejakobs, 4, #1201 of 2015 🔗

The lack of tolerance among the public and airlines is extremely worrying. Whoever brought in the rules to force very young children to wear masks should be punished. It will ensure families with young children won’t be able to travel.

446914 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to LMS2, #1202 of 2015 🔗

Never mind the young. The thought of sitting on an aircraft for any length of time purs me off ever setting foot on a plane again. And that is from somebody who flew well over half a million miles in the last decade.

446591 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 5, #1203 of 2015 🔗

They’re just treating the whole scam as an academic exercise now, totally oblivious to the civil rights that remain in their pockets. They rattle them like sweets, and promise we might get one if we’re good.

Just been listening to the Brendon O’Neil podcast. Very good – about these people and ‘Year Zero’ creeps, and the how to get their heads on spikes before they get much further. The French Revolution was mentioned. I always used to think of that as ghastly bloodletting by morons. Now, I almost see the necessity behind it.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzUwMjEwMDgucnNz/episode/dGFnOmF1ZGlvYm9vbS5jb20sMjAyMS0wMy0wMjovcG9zdHMvNzgxMzY3MA?hl=en-GB&ved=2ahUKEwjU7_zmh5fvAhXhrnEKHTSpAuwQjrkEegQIGxAH&ep=6

446800 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1204 of 2015 🔗

Yep.
For a while it was mainly an international stats p*ssing contest, now it’s degenerated further into jzst a governments&Covidians against the normal people in each and every country itself.
Merkel yesterday spoke about having gained and giving back a bit more trust to the population again, not even realizing at all how absurd, patronizing and insolent her attitude and statement are.

446599 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #1205 of 2015 🔗

Just looked at the latest up-date to the NHS/Gov dashboard, They are reporting
863,658 tests per day with 6573 +ve test results (Cases) my dodgy maths makes this 0.76% +ves for all the tests they are doing. Presumably the number of tests has been bumped up by all these school LFT tests, makes you wonder how many of them are being dunked in a bottle of mouthwash and sent back?
But surely this is now blatant nonsense a huge number of tests at presumably huge expense but they can only manage 0.76 dodgy +ve test results! I am guessing that this must be close to statistical significance territory?
We are living in a mad World run by mad deranged people.

446783 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1206 of 2015 🔗

Still 4x the positivity rate and statistical significance of the ‘vaccine’ trials….

446909 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, #1207 of 2015 🔗

Tests processed by the NHS has increased by about 30k.
Either they created new jobs, or have spare capacity in their labs which usually do “regular” health check tests.

446601 Biker, replying to Biker, 40, #1208 of 2015 🔗

Since I’ve been censored i’ve decided to take a new approach and i hope the censor recognises my attempts to be more in line with the programme so today i went and got the vaccine while wearing my mask, i also removed my name from the petition to stop vaccine passport, i phoned the school and had a very polite conversation with the headmaster telling him how proud i was of his efforts to keep my son from the school for nearly a year and i hope he continues to a good job and keep him off for another year. I’m also advocating we all stay in and don’t go out. We should recognise how our ethnic people are suffering more than me, a person of white privilege, and we should do everything we can to make life better for them. I’m gonna throw my Swastika flag in the bin and fly a rainbow flag to show my deep and heartfelt support for out LTGB community . I will continue in any way i can to mend my ways and do what the Lockdown Skeptic site is now all about.
I can only apologise for my previous behaviour. I do hope my contrition is enough for this new Lockdown Skeptic almost free speech site. Remember comrades we are all in this together.

446613 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 7, #1209 of 2015 🔗

Fuck off..White privilege my arse. You live in Scotland which is by all accounts a 3rd world nation.I have been to parts of Glasgow that are worse than Iraq and Somalia..and I have been to both.

446621 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Thomas_E, 15, #1210 of 2015 🔗

Thomas, in the new, improved big lockdown forever skeptics site you might want to temper your language, quit your profanity and recognise your! white privilege. I know you were in the army and had your testicles blown off by a LED but come on even a white man with no balls has more privilege than our ethnic cousins of colour and remember people are dying of the Virus. This is no time to be so aggressive. I forgive as i am sure you forgive me and one day we’ll share a pint of broon ale.

446643 ▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Biker, 1, #1211 of 2015 🔗

Might have been an IED, but who cares.

446655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bill H, 4, #1212 of 2015 🔗

No it definitely was a rather large exploding light bulb. He was dancing in the Blue Lagoon Bar with some very nice boys with big mustachios. An unfortunate accident just as Queen were half way thru signing Fat Bottom Girls.

446658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Biker, 2, #1213 of 2015 🔗

Top.

Must have a few beers next time I’m North of the wall.

446666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 6, #1214 of 2015 🔗

What i did on shore leave was a tragedy of war.Plus those guys in leather are very good dancers.Now everyone In the Navy!!

446615 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Biker, 4, #1215 of 2015 🔗

I do like sarcasm

446625 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to pub with no beer, 11, #1216 of 2015 🔗

Bro, i’m serious. I don’t want to be banned so i’m being contrite and getting into the spirit of the new site. True free speech requires censorship.

446682 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Biker, 1, #1217 of 2015 🔗

That’s one of those double think thingy’s – send it in!

446740 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to CGL, 3, #1218 of 2015 🔗

I don’t think they like me and have difficulties accustoming themselves to my ways

446801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Biker, 3, #1219 of 2015 🔗

Right, enough !!! The new Biker is doing my head in……bring back the sweary, irreverent, rap loving old Biker 🙂

The new one would be right at home in the comments section of the Grauniad.

446616 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Biker, 9, #1220 of 2015 🔗

I have emailed Toby & Wills about censorship on this site, no reply as yet, maybe they will put something in tomorrow’s news sheet?

446627 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #1221 of 2015 🔗

Toby is a busy man, he won’t have time for us plebs. Anyway censorship is freespeech and you emailing him is violence.

446630 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1222 of 2015 🔗

Yep, there appears to be a problem – stuff censored not on content but who wrote it.

446619 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 6, #1223 of 2015 🔗

That’s the spirit Biker. Now you can go and joined the privileged ranks alongside Mr Hitchens and Lord Sumption.

About my favourite comment on this site remains yours:

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/07/24/latest-news-83/#comment-62421

446631 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Biker, 4, #1224 of 2015 🔗

Well done, Biker. Can you feel Big Brother’s love?

446657 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #1225 of 2015 🔗

Not yet but when i bend over to put food in the dogs bowl i might get lucky

446641 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Biker, #1226 of 2015 🔗

😂 😂 😂

446688 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Biker, 2, #1227 of 2015 🔗

You are either Lord Sumption or Peter Hitchins

446718 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to CGL, 3, #1228 of 2015 🔗

I’m Ritchie Manic, Generation Terrorist, World Hide & Seek Champion twenty five years in a row.

447043 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 2, #1229 of 2015 🔗

That’s actually quite good! Did you just make that up?

Despite my pejorative comments on here a few weeks ago, I actually do like ‘Motorcycle Emptiness’ btw, and ‘Little Baby Nothing’.

447439 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 2, #1230 of 2015 🔗

yeah but i’m sure i’m not the only person to make that joke about a missing person, can’t be

447440 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Biker, #1231 of 2015 🔗

Biker!

446958 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, 1, #1232 of 2015 🔗

Oh Biker, thou art translated!
Please get Puck, or ought that to be Fuck, to put your proper head back on again.

446606 Biker, replying to Biker, 4, #1233 of 2015 🔗

I forgot to mention, thanks Anti-socalist for your support and my apologies if i made you so mad that you used profanity in telling me to go forth and multiply. I hope the adrenaline rush you got from the negativity some of the other posters showed you doesn’t damage your big lovely inclusive heart. Peace bro, hug and kisses

446639 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Biker, #1234 of 2015 🔗

Kick on and say what you like Mr Biker !

446861 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, 2, #1235 of 2015 🔗

There is nothing on the internet that gives me an adrenaline rush, but your words are appreciated. I just couldn’t get my head around the negative vibes when I was actually trying to be helpful, peace dude, man touching doesn’t do it for me 😉 .

446931 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1236 of 2015 🔗

“Nothing on the internet gives you an adrenaline rush?” previous to my new attitude i could have shown you a couple of sites that would make even the Pope blush never mind give you an adrenaline rush. I don’t touch other men either not that that’s a bad, men touching each other in a conceptual way is always good

446607 TJN, replying to TJN, 1, #1237 of 2015 🔗

Earlier today there was a perfectly reasonable post by John P, and discussion underneath it, which I can’t see any more.

Anyone know where it’s gone?

446659 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 1, #1238 of 2015 🔗

I’ll be blunter: was John P’s post censored?

When I saw it there was nothing wrong with it. He had a load of downvotes for making some perfectly reasonable points, and last time I looked my reply broadly supporting him had about 6 downvotes although – tellingly perhaps – no replies

Is it individuals rather than content who are now being censored?

446705 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to TJN, 2, #1239 of 2015 🔗

I read his post. It was the first for weeks. It was the most reasonable thing he’d written for ages and it got down voted. I have seen how he reacts to downvotes. Maybe he got it removed somehow himself?

446715 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to godowneasy, 2, #1240 of 2015 🔗

Possibly. I looked to see if here had been any responses to my post, but couldn’t see the thread at all. And when I checked using the personal icon at the top of the comments my comment still came up but wouldn’t direct to the actual post.

I don’t know why he was downvoted, which is why I made a point of responding in broad support.

I guess there’s two sources of censorship – moderators and people. downvoting simply because they don’t like someone.

446699 ▶▶ leggy, replying to TJN, 2, #1241 of 2015 🔗

If that’s gone, it’s ridiculous. There was nothing contentious there. I think perhaps it’s time for me to look elsewhere, BTL is the only reason I still visit.

446704 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to leggy, 1, #1242 of 2015 🔗

I can’t see it. Can you? Or is it just me?

446867 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to TJN, 2, #1243 of 2015 🔗

No, it’s gone.

447033 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to leggy, #1244 of 2015 🔗

Which raises some awkward questions.

447130 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to leggy, #1245 of 2015 🔗

PS. Stick around, or at least let us know if you get anywhere better.

446839 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to TJN, 3, #1246 of 2015 🔗

Yesterday I was upvoting a few posts and they came out as downvotes. I even mentioned it to Richard O so that he knew in all likelihood the downvotes to his post were mistaken. I’d come back later and the downvotes were either corrected or enough people upvoted that they were cancelled out. Perhaps the same thing is happening again today?

446617 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #1248 of 2015 🔗

So because the efficacy of the vaccines are not what they were sold as we need to go further and vaccinate kids.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-moral-debate-over-covid-jabs-for-children

You see, there are no lies anymore. No punishment for being liberal with the truth to push an agenda. Instead, we have a drip drip drip of narrative, “we are where we are”, progression towards sheer tyranny. It’s started, they are creating the debate on kids now. The failure of those like Hitchens, Swaybe and Sumption to put up a barrier, slow the tide, is facilitating this.

Who has the power to stop this? Dark clouds continue to form

446692 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #1249 of 2015 🔗

This cult is driving me mad… The so-called moral debate should be very short – Fuck off and leave the kids alone you evil bastards.
So they’ve got a vaccine that is a bit useless and their answer is to spread it far and wide into everything that breathes. There is no logic here.
Who can stop it – only the parents. Doesn’t look like anyone else is going to help.

446739 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #1250 of 2015 🔗

👍

446709 ▶▶ jb12, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1251 of 2015 🔗

We have the power.

446829 ▶▶ stewart, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1252 of 2015 🔗

Just refuse and stand your ground.

That says more than words.

If many people do that we prevail. It doesn’t have to be a majority. It just needs to be a significant minority.

446622 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 6, #1253 of 2015 🔗

Outside the echo chamber, I’ve been having a to-and-fro with someone on Youtube about lockdowns.

He’s very pro-lockdown and seems to have a fairly good grasp of stats etc (at least on the surface) and has refuted most of my arguments, albeit with a rather sneering tone.

This is, I think, our biggest problem. Not the thickos who shout ‘granny killers!’ but the reasonably well educated person who comes at this from a safetyist, precautionary-principle, ‘better safe than sorry’ attitude.

This seems to be the prevalent attitude in government, the media,etc and I don’t really see how this can be overcome. I feel as if I’m on the losing side in a cultural and philosophical war.

446626 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1254 of 2015 🔗

So, what has he said then?

How has he refuted your points?

446661 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to rockoman, 2, #1255 of 2015 🔗

I say ‘refuted’ but really he’s just replied with True Believer orthodoxies in huge posts, and I haven’t got the time or energy to challenge it. Eg circular arguments like ‘the PCR tests may not be totally accurate but we are in a pandemic and they are the best we have got’, ‘the modelling may not always be right but in a pandemic you have to plan ahead in some way’ etc.

446707 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1256 of 2015 🔗

So he hasn’t refuted you then. He has just moved the goalposts of the argument to being about ‘What if…?’ and ‘It could be…’ instead of dealing with the efficacy of the lockdowns.

446728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to jb12, 3, #1257 of 2015 🔗

Yes, I think I’m just in shock at engaging with someone who can come up with an argument slightly more sophisticated than ‘my cousin’s nan died from this so it’s REAL’.

446827 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1258 of 2015 🔗

Epic fail right there: the so-called pandemic ended in May. The 2020 age-adjusted death rates is the highest since…2008 (and EVERY year before that year.) Nobody detonated their economy and children’s futures before 2009 to keep Granny alive in the care home for another few months.

447397 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Cranmer, #1259 of 2015 🔗

Refer him to Dr Reiner Fuellmich, there are plenty of truths there to digest.

446634 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1260 of 2015 🔗

Not everyone can be persuaded, but given time I think enough can, and we have to try, which is what you have been doing

I guess the human race lurches between relative madness and relative sanity, and will lurch back at some point

446644 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Cranmer, #1261 of 2015 🔗

What were your arguments and his refutations?

446653 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, 5, #1262 of 2015 🔗

“Refuted”? To your satisfaction? Or do you mean he’s countered them so that you’ve reached stalemate?

Imo the problem is that the issues are so complex, the science so uncertain, the data so unreliable, and the moral issues so complex and subjective, that there will always be ways for clever people on either side to wriggle out of any arguments that are put to them that they are determined not to accept.

446667 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 1, #1263 of 2015 🔗

Good summary and I think that’s what’s happened. I think in the wider world we’ve reached an intellectual stalemate like a ‘glass half full/empty’ argument, with us arguing it’s half full and the True Believers arguing it’s half empty.

446671 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Mark, 11, #1264 of 2015 🔗

Not really.

Lockdowns dont work. The evidence is there and overwhelming.

Thank god for Texas and Florida.

I think we are seeing the great unzipping underway.

If not it will be the second civil war in the US.

446836 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bill H, 4, #1265 of 2015 🔗

Watch all the smart folk move from the bedwetting Demonrat states to the Republican ones as they open up and their economies surge ahead like a Ferrari pulling away from a Reliant Robin. They are lucky to have that option being a Federation.

446665 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1266 of 2015 🔗

Cranmer If he’s that good tell him to post his arguments on here!

446702 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1267 of 2015 🔗

Stick to the data. It’s overwhelmingly on our side. Point out the examples of Armenia and Pakistan, both of which had to end their lockdowns due to poverty. Both of which have lower death rates than we do (massively so in the case of Pakistan). Show him the examples of states in the US which either never shut or have reopened and yet have no more deaths than states still in lockdown. If he says lockdowns work, then show him the graphs of deaths for the UK and non-lockdown Sweden and ask him to point out exactly where the UK’s lockdowns actually made a difference. This whole thing is built on a multitude of assumptions that have no real basis in fact.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01 ..latest&country=~GBR&region=World&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=desc

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#compare-trends_newcases

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

446725 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Chicot, #1268 of 2015 🔗

Thanks – currently waiting for a reply from him on the question of the relative death stats of lockdown v no lockdown countries.

446757 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1269 of 2015 🔗

Suspect your opponent is from the SS (77th) brigade. Unlimited time, lots of boilerplate.

446782 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cranmer, 1, #1270 of 2015 🔗

has refuted most of my arguments

With what?

I don’t disagree re. it’s not just ‘thickos’ making the contrary arguments, but I usually find that, in the end, they’re simply into denial rather than argument – because the ‘evidence’ is so weak or simply spurious.

The central thing is that the effectiveness of lockdown is what has to be shown conclusively – not the contrary.

Don’t be intimidated by bullshit – and the UK is the perfect example that it is bullshit with this train of totally ineffective lockdowns for a not very unusual virus (both of which aspects can be shown).

446810 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, #1271 of 2015 🔗

Hope he loses his job or pension soon.

446831 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1272 of 2015 🔗

Don’t suppose he, or the other believers, have missed a pay cheque yet.

446623 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #1273 of 2015 🔗

The local farm delivered some logs this afternoon and whilst chatting she said that they had some holiday lets on the farm and these were all now fully booked from 12 April through to October. I trust our Dear Leader and his merry crew of deranged megalomaniacs realise what a huge weight of expectation they have built up in the General Population? If they back of from the proposed dates for lockdown easing I think the people’s patience might finally snap.

446785 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1274 of 2015 🔗

I booked a s/c catering cottage for June the other day. Plenty of availability and discounts for that month still at least. I was a bit worried they’d all be snapped up already. Make it happen!

447231 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Steve Martindale, #1275 of 2015 🔗

Hancock booked his holiday in Cornwall weeks ago I gather. Do you think he knows something we don’t/

446624 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 16, #1276 of 2015 🔗

If you fancy some robust data-crunching insights into this fraud may I suggest paying a visit to John Cullen’s channel. He’s on youtube and other platforms. His videos are very edgy and informative. I like his style. A maths and computer savvy guy who knows how to engage a varied audience. Give him a go if you haven’t already. Uses the name John E Hoover.
Particularly relevant with the opening up of more US States for he asks questions like how come, for example, Illinois has more deaths than Pakistan; and please Dr Faucci explain how masks, social distancing and avoiding crowds have eradicated influenza but caused covid deaths to rise dramatically.
Whilst I’m here I’ve now had 2 NHS letters, 1 GP surgery ‘phone call and 3 vaccinnation management service ‘phone calls asking me if I want the covid vaccine and do I need any help booking my appointment. No thanks, no thanks, no thanks, fuck off, fuck off and fuck off.

446642 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Hopeful, 4, #1277 of 2015 🔗

I’m getting really worried. I had a couple of texts about four weeks ago and a letter and there’s been nothing since.

446654 ▶▶▶ Bill H, replying to Biggles, 3, #1278 of 2015 🔗

Just one letter.

Binned.

446652 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Hopeful, 2, #1279 of 2015 🔗

Link ? I’m sooo lazy.

446680 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Hopeful, 6, #1280 of 2015 🔗

Me and Mrs Awkward must be lucky, other than one phone call about having the injection there has been nothing – no texts, no letters, no strange phone calls from the NHS and it’s been a few weeks now.

Now I’ve said that they will start.

446995 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Hopeful, #1281 of 2015 🔗

One letter so far but that wasn’t only at the beginning of the week so plenty of time to ramp it up when they get no response.

446633 Biker, replying to Biker, 9, #1282 of 2015 🔗

Last night i was entertaining myself by rapping and it went down well as do most of my posts, i am the most up voted contributor on this site give or take one or two with a lot less posts to achieve this than some, so tonight i’m gonna be singing love songs. Hopefully this will be allowed and the great men and women censoring me will have an easy shift. I pinky promise my love longs will sweet and non threatening

446646 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 7, #1283 of 2015 🔗

I’ve always imagined your band as a sort of cross between Napalm Death and Peter Paul and Mary. Either that or Brotherhood of Man covers.

Hopefully you’ll serenade us tonight.

446668 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TJN, 7, #1284 of 2015 🔗

The Dad of one of the blokes from Napalm Death goes in my local (well, when I had a bloody local).

446674 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1285 of 2015 🔗

I haven’t actually go any of their records – a sort of limited genre, as I recall.

446712 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to TJN, 2, #1286 of 2015 🔗

I have one of their albums on cassette tape (copied from a pal’s LP), From Enslavement To Obliteration. And I saw them at Nottingham Rock City. They had a new singer (Barney?) who was still learning the words of the songs. That’s not really a joke, though some might think so if they’re familiar with the band’s style.

446878 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Edward, 2, #1287 of 2015 🔗

My friend and I sat through side a of an LP, it was 20minutes!
The friend who lent it to her was impressed we lasted the 20 minutes. We were more into Reggae then.

447020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Silke David, 1, #1288 of 2015 🔗

It became known at work that I listened to that kind of stuff, and people would mention it quite a lot as it was seen as amusingly incompatible with my fairly laid-back personality. But actually I spent far more time listening to jazz and classical music. It’s like “Dog bites man” isn’t much of a story, but “Man bites dog” is.

446713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to TJN, 2, #1289 of 2015 🔗

Not my cup of tea either. The Dad is a very nice, kindly Irish fella, a major sceptic as well!

446841 ▶▶▶ PompeyJunglist, replying to TJN, 5, #1290 of 2015 🔗

My first gig was a Napalm Death & Killdozer double header at Salisbury Art Centre in the mid 1990s. An era that in hindsight was probably the high water mark of Western Civilization.

446637 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 28, #1291 of 2015 🔗

My fellow sceptics.

Take heart. We will eventually be proven right, even if the country has to be turned into a desolate broken down ruin order to show that.

Which it probably will.

446678 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to rockoman, 4, #1292 of 2015 🔗

Maybe, but not much comfort to take from that.

446697 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Dave Angel Eco Warrier, 7, #1293 of 2015 🔗

A society gets what it collectively deserves.

The fact is we became so affluent that we could collectively afford to believe bullshit – for a while.

Collective justice.

446820 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, 2, #1294 of 2015 🔗

“We must destroy the village in order to save it.”

446638 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #1295 of 2015 🔗

“LOOK! LOOK OVER THERE!

Over there, on the other side of the world.

Those other people, that other government that’s nothing to do with us, they are REPRESSING PEOPLE!

See how bad they are. We don’t often shoot people here, so everything we do must be ok.”

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, UK Prime Minister

Boris Johnson @BorisJohnson

I’m horrified by the escalation of violence in Myanmar and the killing of pro-democracy protesters.

We stand with the people of Myanmar in calling for an immediate end to military repression, the release of Aung San Suu Kyi and others, and the restoration of democracy.
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1367489560494682125

446649 ▶▶ Bill H, replying to Mark, 11, #1296 of 2015 🔗

Tell the fat gobshite to go toss himself off in the nearest gym.

446714 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bill H, 1, #1297 of 2015 🔗

He said he’s just come back from doing that in the Palace of Westminster today, but he’ll try to find a gym for tomorrow if we’ll vote for him.

446689 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Mark, 6, #1298 of 2015 🔗

Look at how the BBC is straight propaganda when they cut out President Aliyev of Azerbaijan’s mention of Assange when he gave them an interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9s6YggbTk4

And as you will see by the comments, it is cut from the final edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9paCEMyfiiY

So, you see the journolist was asking about whether his country benefitted from a free media, and then censors for the sheeplic back home.

446716 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to FedupofLies, 5, #1299 of 2015 🔗

Defund the BBC.

446816 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mark, #1300 of 2015 🔗

No, we need to think more in terms of what the Romans did to Carthage.

Carthago delenda est.

446834 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1301 of 2015 🔗

Some good ruins there.

446808 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to FedupofLies, #1302 of 2015 🔗

Aliyev is one of the bad guys but he sure called out the dumb reporter.

447509 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Londo Mollari, #1303 of 2015 🔗

Yes, I mean they are all bastards maybe I don’t know but the hypocristy I mean.

446690 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Mark, 4, #1304 of 2015 🔗

See how bad they are. We don’t often shoot people here, so everything we do must be ok.”

The family of Charles Menezes might dispute that.
(I have a teenage Brazilian grandson living in London . The thought of Dickhead’s thugs roaming London , guns at their hips, looking for youngsters to shoot disturbs me frankly.)

446706 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mikewaite, 2, #1305 of 2015 🔗

Menezes was why I went back and inserted the “often” into that comment.

446857 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #1306 of 2015 🔗

James Ashley

Harry Stanley

etc.

446708 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mikewaite, 1, #1307 of 2015 🔗

The thick as shit trigger-happy goons might think he’s a “variant.”

446726 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mark, 1, #1308 of 2015 🔗

“…and the restoration of democracy.”

Hmm, there’s a thought.

446764 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Mark, 1, #1309 of 2015 🔗

They do the same with China / Hong Kong. “We call on the Hong Kong and Chinese central authorities to respect the legally guaranteed rights and freedoms of the people of Hong Kong without fear of arrest and detention” (20/01/2021). Uh huh. Yep.

446647 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1310 of 2015 🔗

https://365thingsaustin.com/2021/03/02/austin-places-requiring-masks/
270 places still requiring masks after the lockdown is lifted in Austin, Texas. I wonder if something like that will happen in the UK as well?

446664 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1311 of 2015 🔗

Austin is San Francisco with added crazy. Things will be different in the real Texas.

446770 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #1312 of 2015 🔗

Keep Austin Weird is the slogan. I didn’t think it mean this!

446673 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #1313 of 2015 🔗

Well, some places won’t require them.

Watch market forces work their magic.

446722 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 4, #1314 of 2015 🔗

I would only need a handful of stores, restaurants, etc. to drop the mask crap in order to easily get the things I want and need. I’m sure many stores will make it optional so as to attract all customers. Hey, I’d even be happy if there were mask-free shopping hours at stores here, but we are so far from repealing the mask mandates in Canada it’s all just a fantasy at this point.

446766 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to rockoman, 2, #1315 of 2015 🔗

I agree. Back in July a lot of pubs insisted on advanced booking only. That lasted a week.

446675 ▶▶ Dave Angel Eco Warrier, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1316 of 2015 🔗

It will.

446771 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1317 of 2015 🔗

That’s a small number really given the size of the place – still the Dems are fond of “lists” so nice to see they officially have one to themselves! Lists of collaborators will work for most sensible Texans

446650 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #1318 of 2015 🔗

Can the Covidians get any more patronising?
Mrs FP has just received an email from her dentist (private hygienist), no mention of her NHS checkup,telling her to watch the attached video on what to expect in a Covid secure dentist.
YE GODS,GIVE ME STRENGTH!!!

446684 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1319 of 2015 🔗

Agree to go there, but only if you can give all their personnel an anal swab to make sure they are really secure.

446696 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to rockoman, #1320 of 2015 🔗

If they supply the Marigolds.

446703 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 6, #1321 of 2015 🔗

Some days I think we sceptics should go all in and play along with the Covidians. We should push for 5 masks on each and every person. Insist that if children be tested in order to go to school that it should be the more accurate anal swab — which would somehow make us child abusers and yet sticking something way up the nose is presumably less invasive. Maybe getting on a plane should require an anal swab as well to ensure the ultimate safety of passengers and crew. Apparently the teachers in my nephew’s school are now wearing goggles, so I’m sure we could push for goggles on everyone so we can all stay “safe.” If these nonsense “safety” measures were pushed to their logical conclusions I believe even the sheeple would cry foul at some point. It would certainly be fun to poke at them and watch from the sidelines.

446719 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1322 of 2015 🔗

Sceptics could form ‘Social Distancing Enforcement Teams’ which would patrol the streets, making sure people are always six feet apart, make sure that people are wearing masks correctly etc.

Reverse psychology.

446729 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to rockoman, 3, #1323 of 2015 🔗

Exactly! Take the Covid Marshall crap to an extreme such that the crazy people would become afraid of leaving the house for fear of not complying with the insanity they asked for.

446721 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1324 of 2015 🔗

You mentioned this goggles nonsense the other day and, at first, I thought you had gone all Cecil B. Then I realised you were serious and I felt sick. Where does this stuff stop? The logical end-point will be no school when communication between teachers and children is impossible.

446733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to godowneasy, 7, #1325 of 2015 🔗

I wasn’t kidding. My daughter is freezing to death in her classroom placement because her mentor teacher is keeping the windows and door open — she’s in a portable so the door is open to the outside, not to the indoor hallway of the school. And this teacher admitted she thinks it’s all over-the-top but is afraid to get in trouble with the school principal, the other teachers or the parents. And my daughter teachers French Immersion so I don’t know how the younger kids are even expected to learn and work in another language when they can’t see the teacher’s face. Pure evil insanity.

446736 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 12, #1326 of 2015 🔗

I’m telling people now that we should never open up again, think of the elderly. I also say schools should be closed and you should home school your own children. All but the most essential health care as well so no dentists etc. Anyone requiring any treatment of anything other than Covid should use Bach Remedies.

446743 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 5, #1327 of 2015 🔗

The worrying thing is there are quite a lot of people who would accept this!

446819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Suzyv, 1, #1328 of 2015 🔗

I agree that some would. But our ranks would swell pretty quickly if the sheeple became too inconvenienced or humiliated by the enhanced rules.

446943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1329 of 2015 🔗

So they don’t think that muzzling their children and sticking them in freezing classrooms constitutes any sort of inconvenience?

447051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Annie, #1330 of 2015 🔗

The level of crazy here is beyond the pale. If not for being able stay isolated on my rural property I would have lost my marbles a long time ago. I certainly would not have subjected my children to any of this even if it would have meant home schooling.

446863 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #1331 of 2015 🔗

At least all these companies producing this stuff have some work.

I had to sit through an online training from Sodexo for catering premises “how to be covid safe”, I really felt sorry for the people who had to produce it.

446670 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #1332 of 2015 🔗

Just sent Trish Greenhalgh this e-mail just for fun:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCi0BtFxpuXmHdhueW?e=vMVfli

446723 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1333 of 2015 🔗

I’d hate to have you as an enemy, AG 🙂 Outrageously good stuff !!

446746 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BTLnewbie, #1334 of 2015 🔗

But will she answer?

446776 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1335 of 2015 🔗

Great stuff. This evil psychopath has nothing to stand up to support her mask mania apart from bullshit. I really hope she gets back to you.

446772 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 346 of lockdown), replying to Awkward Git, #1336 of 2015 🔗

Love it. One grammar point:

If Government nor their advisors can figure this out then it’s time for new advisors.

Should read?

If Government nor their advisors can not figure this out then it’s time for new advisors.

446807 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan (Day 346 of lockdown), 1, #1337 of 2015 🔗

No, AG is right, providing you insert ‘neither’ before ‘Government’. Call me Mr. Picky 🙂

446939 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sarigan (Day 346 of lockdown), 2, #1338 of 2015 🔗

Should read

If neither the Government nor its advisors can figure this out, then.. .

Trust me, I’ma copy editor.

447410 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Annie, #1339 of 2015 🔗

I’ma copy editor.

Ouch.

446815 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Awkward Git, #1340 of 2015 🔗

Go, man, bloody well go! I’m just on the phone now, about your peerage.

446818 ▶▶ jayp, replying to Awkward Git, #1341 of 2015 🔗

Just brilliant AG

446832 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to jayp, 2, #1342 of 2015 🔗

Didn’t work today so had a few beers and the creative juices are flowing.

If Mrs Awkward ever wants a complaints letter written she always makes sure I have a few beers first as she says I write better.

447010 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1343 of 2015 🔗

I thought of you today – I saw some temporary fencing which had been put up by AG Fencing.

446683 Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 27, #1344 of 2015 🔗

A week in my life. Fast forward of it bores you but I like reading other people’s daily accounts so forgive me if you’re not the same.
Youngest child is “self-isolating” due to an idiot virtue signalling parent of another child in her class getting their child tested (age 5). I am therefore on ‘carers leave’ from my job leaving colleagues even more stressed and up shit creek all week than they usually are.
This is the 3 rd time since jan that one of our children has had to do this. And surprise surprise none have fallen ill during this.
We’ve been to the park a few times (naughty) , met with friends who are doing the same (isolating crap) and today child came with me to the car garage to get my car sorted we also nipped into supermarket to kill time. Could get a takeaway coffee in the supermarket while we waited for the car. The whole cafe was empty but all the tables and chairs still set out. The cafe worker was so bored . She was the only other bare faced person in the whole supermarket which is huge. She wanted to do food for us but we had only just had breakfast. She was telling my child she could do some sausage chops it all up put in a bread roll etc etc. We’ve never received such a personalised service in any cafe. She wanted to be doing something!! Felt awful declining!
No doubt many of them are on furlough from the cafe.
Half the upstairs is clothes franchises that were devoid of any clothes yet the supermarket could sell their own clothes (?!)
The park we went to the other day was bitterly cold and foggy but full of people with children and families/ elderly people. When my friend and I and our children left people were waiting for car spaces.
My eldest is at secondary I’m just praying that when all his fellow classmates start the ridiculous testing he’s not off … it’s dreadful they are reopening but introducing mass testing and child abuse masking. I tel his friends parents it’s not mandatory it’s guidance and the dangers etc etc but I bet they still consent ..

446691 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 22, #1345 of 2015 🔗

Also had an underground hairdresser round. I love breaking the rules lately

446700 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Sodastream, 11, #1346 of 2015 🔗

We did that last weekend – what a treat!

446732 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to CGL, 7, #1347 of 2015 🔗

Too right I asked my own hairdresser but she darent even though she says she skint… I wish people would stand up for themselves!

446749 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to Sodastream, 7, #1348 of 2015 🔗

Great stuff, it is quite liberating being naughty 🙂

447209 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Sampa, 2, #1349 of 2015 🔗

I know I’m on a high. How sad is that! I’ve never been a rule breaker my whole life! Until this past year

447408 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sodastream, 1, #1350 of 2015 🔗

Congratulations ! Welcome to the dark side.

446710 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Sodastream, 8, #1351 of 2015 🔗

Thanks for posting – always find these accounts reflect the insanity!

446735 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Steeve, 9, #1352 of 2015 🔗

Would anyone seriously stay in and keep their child in for 10 days? Well yes unfortunately. Two of child’s friends mums both said oh no we will go mad inside For 10 days.. grow a pair!!

446756 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Sodastream, 5, #1353 of 2015 🔗

Carry on living! Look forward to your next post (I hope it’s not too insane!)

447201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Steeve, #1354 of 2015 🔗

Don’t hold you’re breath steeve I’m normal at work so don’t post much just read comments when chance to. This carers leave has been “refreshing “!

446685 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #1355 of 2015 🔗

Anyone thinking UNISON was going to stand up for nurses & health workers if they don’t want the vaccination are going to be disappointed.

Peace of mind and protection’ – why members are getting the jab

UNISON members share their experiences of getting the COVID-19 vaccine to help show that, despite historical health inequalities, there’s nothing to fear

They’re fully signed up members of the propaganda campaign. So much for informed consent, if the nurses are being lied to, what hope do you have of getting accurate information yourself.

446695 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1356 of 2015 🔗

Note they had to get in a bit about health inequalities.

446720 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Anti_socialist, #1357 of 2015 🔗

The RCN actively encourages its members to take up the COVID-19 vaccine. The NMC Code requires nurses to take measures to protect their patients and the public as well as to protect themselves against serious illness as a professional responsibility.
Alongside PPE and social distancing, vaccination is a measure to reduce the risk. Employers should take all reasonable steps to support the vaccination of at risk staff. The RCN believes that this includes employers allowing these staff reasonable paid time away from work to attend vaccination appointments.

Under regulation 7 of the Control of Substances Hazardous to Health Regulations (COSHH) 2002, employers are required to assess the risk to staff of occupational exposure to hazardous substances (including biological agents and pathogens) and take measures to control and reduce the risk of exposure. Under regulation 3 of the COSHH Regulations employers have a duty to risk assess and put in place control measures to extend to those who may be affected by the work carried out by the employer, this includes taking all reasonable steps to ensure agency and bank staff are protected, vaccinated and provided with PPE.
The RCN recommends taking up vaccination as best practice. However, we recognise that some members might choose not to be vaccinated. If you have medical concerns about the vaccine, please see our section on refusal below.
Members who are concerned about their own clinical situation/circumstances should discuss this with their employer and/or GP.

COVID-19 and vaccination FAQs | Royal College of Nursing (rcn.org.uk)

446734 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, 2, #1358 of 2015 🔗

https://www.rcn.org.uk/graphics/bullet_blue.svg Refusal to be vaccinated against COVID-19The RCN recommends taking up vaccination as best practice. However, we recognise that some members might choose not to be vaccinated and the questions and answers below are for their assistance.
As a health and social care worker do I have to have the vaccine?No-one can be forced to have medical treatment – including vaccines – and the UK governments are not making it mandatory for health and social care workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19. However, there may be consequences for you at work if you have not been vaccinated and your employer can show that you present a risk to patients or clients as a result.
Can my employer dismiss me if I am not vaccinated?If your employer considers that you present an unacceptable risk of infection to patients because you have refused the vaccine, in some circumstances they may even be able to dismiss you under the heading of ‘some other substantial reason.’ For the dismissal to be fair, the employer would have to act reasonably and consult with you before making a final decision. For example, they would need to:

  • provide you with their reasons for their requirement that you are vaccinated
  • give you the opportunity to state your concerns, and
  • consider other alternatives.

This risk assessment could include consideration of whether you could be redeployed to a place where you did not present an unacceptable risk or whether any risks could be reasonably mitigated through testing and PPE.
If your employer is taking action against you for refusing to be vaccinated, call us on 0345 7726100.

446854 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Anti_socialist, #1359 of 2015 🔗

Dave Prentis
General Secretary
Unison

Signed up to:
https://www.buildbackbetter.org.uk/

446693 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 14, #1360 of 2015 🔗

Do you ever wonder if our society will survive this?

Ask yourself:

“Does it deserve to?”

There’s your answer.

446731 ▶▶ merlin, replying to rockoman, 15, #1361 of 2015 🔗

Our society is in a constant state of change. Most on here will have despaired at the changes of the last 12 months but I am hopeful of better times .
The politicians and mad scientists are employing psychological manipulation and outright lies to crush the consciousness of good people. We will eventually overwhelm them. Nature always wins.

446738 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to merlin, 4, #1362 of 2015 🔗

Thanks I need to read positivity

446792 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to merlin, 5, #1363 of 2015 🔗

For the past 10 years I have despaired at the direction this society has being going on. It’s not been overnight and it is not by accident.

446921 ▶▶▶▶ merlin, replying to JHUNTZ, 4, #1364 of 2015 🔗

You are ofcourse correct that the psychological manipulations are nothing new , it has been a death by a 1000 cuts strategy for a very long time.

However , 2020 has seen a massive acceleration in the programme. I take this as a positive. Our rulers fear the truth, they fear anything natural. Maybe what we are actually seeing are the last desperate acts from our soulless psychopathic rulers.

446765 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to rockoman, 1, #1365 of 2015 🔗

The 4th Turning has nailed the climax of the crisis by the exact year, if it was indeed 2020 (resolution 2026) and not a subsequent war or the likely upcoming monetary implosions (sped up or made worse by climate change policy madnesses?).
If Covid was merely the start and catalyst of it and not the climax, we’re in for another 20 years of crisis
anyway- and any Recovery will feel and be like a prison sentence for individualistic freedom lovers anyway.
What they were also saying is that the outcome of the crisis is always and very much up in the air, and very much dependent upon the right leaders stepping up (argh), but also on the radical ideas of the prophets (Boomers) and of the heros (Millennials) being tampered.
Just because mankind moved forward after the last 5 turnings doesn’t mean that this one will also lead to progress thereafter.
In case of war, it could be mankind’s annihilation at the extreme end of the spectrum.
I see the following differences compared to prior 4th turnings, which don’t bode well for this one’s outcome: the Unraveling was long, but very unproductive with regard to reforms and preparation, leaders then and currently were and are poor, the 2 above mentioned generations are particularly nasty pieces of work and ideology, demonstrated by and leading towards their censorship and ignorance now of science/best practices to get better results and to, for the first time ever, a huge sociological and financial experiment, which is completely opposite to mankind’s history and its usual, time tested survival tactics.
Also, this crisis was unnecessary/manufactured by them in many, many peoples minds, which does and will continue to undermine unity very much, in contrast to fighting the Nazis, or against the English for freedom or against slavery.
I hope I am too pessimistic or wrong.
Maybe the climate zealots have a point AND can make it work without bringing about a catastrophe and too dystopian hellhole, maybe Noem and DeSantis can save us and restore solid finances, sanity and liberties during their joint 16 year reign post Biden/Harris destruction, but especially the latter reversal would
be a first, and against the normal
grain of history.

446780 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 2, #1366 of 2015 🔗

I think it is a crisis for the West -not the whole world.

If you have marketable skills and/or resources, then leave.

446803 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, 2, #1367 of 2015 🔗

It won’t. Modern society is too complex. People just expect stuff to appear but in fact they have no idea how complicated it is to provide even the most basic of products – like silicon for silicon chips. https://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2021/01/14/how-we-manufacture-silicon/

446724 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 3, #1368 of 2015 🔗

Dezi Swayne has had the Jab ! ( I’m prob late to the table with that ) but was he leaned on ???

446744 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Freddy Boy, 10, #1369 of 2015 🔗

I thought he was dead. He was bloody brilliant in Dirty Dancing.

446750 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Biker, 1, #1370 of 2015 🔗

😂

446760 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 346 of lockdown), replying to Biker, 2, #1371 of 2015 🔗

And Roadhouse

446954 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sarigan (Day 346 of lockdown), #1372 of 2015 🔗

Classic, so bad it’s good.

446821 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Biker, 5, #1373 of 2015 🔗

Nobody puts biker in the corner!!!

446850 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Biker, 1, #1374 of 2015 🔗

had the jab in Ghost .. that’s what killed him ..

446945 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Biker, 1, #1375 of 2015 🔗

Hi Biker, glad that you are back!

446773 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Freddy Boy, 8, #1376 of 2015 🔗

I don’t know why you’d assume he was leaned on. He’s been steadfastly anti lockdown but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t think the “vaccine” is a good idea. Ideally one would have liked him to not be jabbed, but people in general have been conditioned to believe in jabs and believe doctors and medical “experts”. I’ve had all my jabs, except this one and the flu, and had never thought much about it one way or another.

I suspect most people who were previously quite sceptical about vaccines are also anti-lockdown, but I think lots of people opposed and oppose lockdowns but are fairly relaxed about the vaccine. I think they are wrong, but there it is. One may think of them as the enemy now, but I prefer not to.

446791 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Julian, 11, #1377 of 2015 🔗

They only become the enemy if they advocate for forced vaccination, vaccine passports and vaccine apartheid. I’ve always had a live and let live attitude, but it seems like a majority of my fellow humans believe it’s their right to put something into my body that I don’t want.

446737 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 4, #1378 of 2015 🔗

Is the Hindoo Chacellor assuming, in building the budget, that there will be no more lockdowns? The economy will be fully open? Can anyone direct me to the document, please?

446890 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheClone, 2, #1379 of 2015 🔗

There will be no more lockdowns because this one will never end.Furlough until September just in time for the Autumn rise in colds flu etc and I’m sure we will have a couple of new variants before then.
This only ends when enough people say it does.

446942 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1380 of 2015 🔗

Spot on. This tyranny will never end unless people end it themselves

446741 isobar, 7, #1381 of 2015 🔗

Moderna’s jab can cause skin reactions 11 DAYS after vaccination

https://mol.im/a/9325795

More from the DM about adverse reactions to the ‘jab’

446745 Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 51, #1382 of 2015 🔗

Has anyone else noticed how babies really stare at you and smile when you’re in the supermarket? I’ve noticed it in supermarket and school pick up queue. They stare even more intently than ever and it must be because I am the only maskless face around them. Even their parents have black face nappies on. What the hell are people doing to their own babies. 😕

446753 ▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Sodastream, 7, #1383 of 2015 🔗

Soon they’ll probably cry when they see a maskless face as mask will be all they’ve known since birth the long er people keep complying?

446795 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sodastream, 12, #1384 of 2015 🔗

Beg to differ – the power of smiles is stronger than their dark mask magic.

🙂 🙂 🙂

446898 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Sodastream, 9, #1385 of 2015 🔗

Doubt it. Babies are programmed to respond to human faces, starting with their mother’s – sorry, their birthing parent’s.
Babies in a faceless world won’t adapt, they’ll be seriously deprived. They’ll grow up deficient in emotional intelligence. It’s like deliberately withholding the contacts necessary to acquire language (the ‘forbidden experiment’ ).

446908 ▶▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to Annie, 2, #1386 of 2015 🔗

So sad isn’t it.

446755 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Sodastream, 10, #1387 of 2015 🔗

Well, there will be fewer babies coming up.

What, with the economic insecurity and general social unpleasantness. Doesn’t exactly encourage you to bring children into the world does it?

All babies you now see who are older than two and a half months were conceived pre-covid.

Baby bust in 2021 ….

The impact of covid will be on the birth rate – not the death rate.

Schools can start planning closures now.

447183 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to rockoman, 1, #1389 of 2015 🔗

All those teachers who were too scared to work …….

446789 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sodastream, 11, #1390 of 2015 🔗

I can appear quite a miserable git at times – but always smile at babies, toddlers, and young children now. Always a smile back, sometimes laughter or a chuckle.

446907 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JohnB, 3, #1391 of 2015 🔗

I always enjoy your posts John (true).
I too smile at babies but that’s because i’m glad they’re not mine.

447406 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, #1392 of 2015 🔗

Ta mate. Likewise. 🙂

446797 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Sodastream, 14, #1393 of 2015 🔗

Just to add to that point, I saw my first double-muzzlers in the local paper shop today – a millennial mum, 2 kids roughly 8 and 6 all with TWO fabric face masks on and a roughly 2 yr old in a buggy with a scarf wrapped round its face- I despair!

446936 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Barbara Baker, 3, #1394 of 2015 🔗

Ms McChokeumchild.

446822 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sodastream, 13, #1395 of 2015 🔗

My friend, who is mad cat woman, noticed more dogs coming up to her. I said it is as you do not wear a mouthnosecovering outside.
So even dogs can differentiate between a friendly face and none.

446905 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Silke David, 7, #1396 of 2015 🔗

So can horses. My horse was horrified by the faceless vet monster.

446754 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1397 of 2015 🔗

The insanity goes on

446761 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1398 of 2015 🔗

and on

446767 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Steeve, 4, #1399 of 2015 🔗

….until it can’t.

446768 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steeve, 2, #1400 of 2015 🔗

and on

446824 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1401 of 2015 🔗

This was predicted some time ago….

446778 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #1403 of 2015 🔗

sweden came down a bit quicker than us. but we had lockdown, so lots more deaths

446781 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 1, #1404 of 2015 🔗

In week 8 2021, no statistically significant excess all-cause mortality by week of death was observed overall in England through the EuroMOMO algorithm. In the devolved administrations, no statistically significant excess all-cause mortality for all ages was observed for Wales or Northern Ireland in week 8. Statistically significant excess mortality was observed in Scotland for week 5

Mmmmmmm

446793 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #1405 of 2015 🔗

its sort of ‘normal’ everywhere I think. nothing to do with lockdowns or vaccines

446879 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to steve_w, 2, #1406 of 2015 🔗

A lot of the most vulnerable have died in the weeks following the vaccinations for whatever reason and so that will tend to push things now below normal in the same way it dipped in Summer 2020, but then you have the indirect deaths counterbalancing that.

Hard to know where it’s going to head to over the coming months.

446806 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1407 of 2015 🔗

THe waters of all-cause mortality will become increasingly muddied.

Just think of all of those unfortunate people in the last year whose cancer tests were delayed or whose cancer treatments were postponed.

Statistics will become increasingly difficult to compare to previous years.

446814 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to rockoman, 2, #1408 of 2015 🔗

yes, this is important. even the govt thought 1/3 of first peak were missed cancers etc.

the second peak is after a year of lockdown, stress, lack of vitamin D, exercise, lack of support groups, 8 months of a barely functioning NHS

the second peak is ALL lockdown deaths unless I am shown convincingly otherwise.

446864 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #1409 of 2015 🔗

the EuroMOMO algorithm”

An incredibly dodgy calculation, I’m afraid. Have a look at the definition.

Why are people here still quoting the moveable and oft exploited fiction of ‘excess deaths’ instead of anchoring data in comparative reality over a credible baseline?

446777 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #1410 of 2015 🔗

Local Authorities through their Environmental Health Officers have de facto taken over the running of pubs and restaurants

These overbearing brain dead morons now decide when these establishments may open, who can enter, where they must sit, what they must wear, and in what direction they must walk whilst on the premises

The fact that non of these halfwits have ever had a job in the real world more than qualifies them to destroy every viable business in the land

446811 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1411 of 2015 🔗

I’ve found through experience that after a few beers i’m none to sure what direction i’m walking in.

446904 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Biker, 1, #1412 of 2015 🔗

I’m waiting for my Love Poem Biker (It may be my first and last).

446812 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Cecil B, #1413 of 2015 🔗

I worked in catering for Sodexo, lg int, company. We once had a in-house, just graduated EH person doing a check, she was so textbook, we would have not been able to open.

446858 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1414 of 2015 🔗

Heaven help us all. My husband worked for the council years ago and his favourite saying then was ” the council don’t sack idiots, they promote them”.

446779 disgruntled246, replying to disgruntled246, 10, #1415 of 2015 🔗

Local council newsletter. Tested 4479 people and found 19 asymptomatic cases. Can somebody check my maths? I make that 0.42% of testees were asymptomatic positives. Is that right? Which is way way less than the false positive rate which is 3.2%.
If I am right, basically they found the square root of sod all.

446784 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to disgruntled246, 3, #1416 of 2015 🔗

your maths is right. but I have no idea what the FP is

446788 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to steve_w, 1, #1417 of 2015 🔗

I have seen 3.2% quoted. In any event I’d bet my right arm it’s a damned sight higher than 0.42%.

446802 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to disgruntled246, #1418 of 2015 🔗

the PHE doc in the summer estimated 0.8 -> 4 with a median of 2.8%

but that was before rapid expansion and with lower prevalence and FP scales with prevalence because of contamination

446883 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to steve_w, #1419 of 2015 🔗

Bit bamboozled by all the intelligence on offer, but does that mean that 0.42% of tests positive is still way below even the lowest rate of false positive?

446798 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to disgruntled246, #1420 of 2015 🔗

Correct.

Remember, that the FP rate usually reckoned to be 2 to 3% is not a constant.

It rises as testing expands, because as testing expands, quality (skill and experience of testing personnel etc) tends to deteriorate.

446826 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to rockoman, #1421 of 2015 🔗

Yep. It is an average of each testing centre’s rate which in turn is only as good as their procedures and that’s even before you start talking about cycles.

446843 ▶▶ leggy, replying to disgruntled246, #1422 of 2015 🔗

Depends if it’s PCR of LFT. The BMJ gave a FPR for LFT at around 0.3%, so it’d be in tolerance I’d have thought.

446853 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 1, #1423 of 2015 🔗

… but not indicative of infectious disease.

446877 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to leggy, #1424 of 2015 🔗

LFT I think – only for people with no symptoms

446903 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to disgruntled246, #1425 of 2015 🔗

Therefore it’s what you’d expect in terms of FPR. Refer here: https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4469

Testing healthy people is insanity.

446892 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #1426 of 2015 🔗

From this paper on PCR tests:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895843/S0519_Impact_of_false_positives_and_negatives.pdf

under laboratory conditions, these RT-PCR tests should never show more than 5% false positives or 5% false negatives

We have been unable to find any data on the operational false positive and false negative rates in the UK COVID-19 RT-PCR testing programme

The UK operational false positive rate is unknown.

There are no published studies on the operational false positive rate of any national COVID-19 testing programme.

An attempt has been made to estimate the likely false-positive rate of national COVID-19 testing programmes by examining data from published external quality assessments (EQAs) for RT-PCR assays for other RNA viruses carried out between 2004-2019 [7]. Results of 43 EQAs were examined, giving a median false positive rate of 2.3% (interquartile range 0.8-4.0%).

And on LFTs on here:

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-11-oxford-university-and-phe-confirm-lateral-flow-tests-show-high-specificity-and-are

The results of the Innova evaluation published today show:

The specificity of the test was recorded as 99.68% – the overall false positive rate was 0.32%, although this was lowered to 0.06% in a lab setting.

446937 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #1427 of 2015 🔗

PCR testsare meaningless. When will this get through???

446794 stefarm, 8, #1429 of 2015 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7379094/Vitamin-D-triggers-and-arms-the-immune-system.html

Professor Carsten Geisler from the Department of International Health, Immunology and Microbiology, said: “When a T cell is exposed to a foreign pathogen, it extends a signalling device or ‘antenna’ known as a vitamin D receptor, with which it searches for vitamin D.

“This means that the T cell must have vitamin D or activation of the cell will cease. If the T cells cannot find enough vitamin D in the blood, they won’t even begin to mobilise. ”

Need to log in to read but check the date – 07 March 2010 • 18:00 pm.

How things have changed

446796 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1430 of 2015 🔗

Just checking – does the last five year all cause mortality include 2020?

446805 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steeve, #1431 of 2015 🔗

which dataset?

446828 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to steve_w, #1432 of 2015 🔗

Just as we move forward through the year week by week and all cause mortality is recorded. Last year it was x above the five year average or x below on a few occasions.

446848 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steeve, -1, #1434 of 2015 🔗

You indirectly highlight the idiocy of using a five year average as a baseline – it’s far too unrepresentative and unstable.

446804 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #1435 of 2015 🔗

Hi all, anyone know of lets in South England that would accomodate a law breaking Scot for the 12th of April for a couple of weeks? I cannot handle a two week delay, I need normality even if it is new normal as soon as possible.

446837 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JHUNTZ, 2, #1436 of 2015 🔗

Check the “Awakened Travel” group on FB.

446845 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHUNTZ, 6, #1437 of 2015 🔗

I’m sorry but you do not have a two week delay. We’re going into tiers again but this time they are tougher than last year. Scotland is locked down forever if thon wee witch stays in power.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6769871/scots-stricter-covid-lockdowns/

I’m not sure where in Scotland you are but if it’s the Highlands with virtually 0 positives at the moment your fooked and if like me in Ayrshire and have hospitals and a prison never to get 0 positive were fooked too.

Anyway I’m now so much more comfortable ignoring all these restrictions apart from the things that I can’t do because they’re not open.

446880 ▶▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1438 of 2015 🔗

This is sickening. I am absolutely fed up with this shit. Best years of my life wasting away in a flat on my own.

447027 ▶▶▶▶ Just about sane, replying to JHUNTZ, #1439 of 2015 🔗

Where in Scotland are you? Edinburgh is looking good for Saturday.

446934 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1440 of 2015 🔗

Thousands on cottages.com (nothing to do with Tony Blair.) Hampshire is nice. Long as you can front up the readies they won’t care where you are from.

446946 ▶▶ stewart, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #1441 of 2015 🔗

Perhaps the guys who smuggle people across the English Channel can start a Scotland to England service.

446809 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1442 of 2015 🔗

We should probably have a nationwide referendum on domestic vaccine passports including masks, as people are angry at this sort of Segregation in the UK

446823 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to DanClarke, 27, #1443 of 2015 🔗

No my freedom & bodily autonomy isn’t up for a vote or debate.

446871 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #1444 of 2015 🔗

I won’t be coerced to have a covid stab even if I am in a minority of one. I’d rather take my chances in a new incarnation.

447032 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to merlin, 7, #1445 of 2015 🔗

I’m with you. I have an overactive immune system and I believe the experimental gene therapy would likely kill me. If I’m going to die, it’ll be on my terms and not to make someone else feel “safe.”

446840 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, -10, #1446 of 2015 🔗

Sorry – majoritarianism isn’t democracy, although it can be a necessary practical way of arbitrating some issues.

A pile of idiots voting remains the effluent from a pile of idiots, not a sensible decision.

446847 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 2, #1447 of 2015 🔗

Well it would be a good start rather than dictating

446873 ▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1448 of 2015 🔗

I’d like to see how that question might be framed……

446978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Barbara Baker, 2, #1449 of 2015 🔗

“Should the new UK Covid Vaccine Passport be?”
BLUE
RED

446989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1450 of 2015 🔗

😂 eggzackly!

447042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #1451 of 2015 🔗

The colour of pale shrinking violets.

446872 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 2, #1452 of 2015 🔗

Its happening de facto via dodgy YouGov polls

446906 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to stewart, 1, #1453 of 2015 🔗

Its frustrating as hell, you write to the MP’s now and no reply, like they’ve decided this is how it will be without any debate at all,

447393 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #1454 of 2015 🔗

Wow, the spooks are really pissing about with ticks this evening.

Even Rick doesn’t deserve 10 downticks for this post. 🙂

446932 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1455 of 2015 🔗

Honestly from what I’m seeing I wouldn’t like to guarantee the vote would go the right way. So many people have been cowed into total terror and subservience.

446997 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to disgruntled246, #1456 of 2015 🔗

Depends what counting machines are used 😉

446992 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1457 of 2015 🔗

There is no need for a referendum, there is existing legislation from varying sources including the most powerful Numermberg, it is people’s choice as to whether to have any medical treatment, in addition there is legislation to stop discrimination.

446817 Drew63, replying to Drew63, -22, #1458 of 2015 🔗

Why did Boris Johnson and the Conservatives fail the coronavirus test so badly? That’s a question I think bears some very close examination.

First, I think we ought to give the Government credit for making investments in, and securing, effective vaccines. Given the history of vaccines for viral infections there was a very high chance that there would have been NO effective vaccine. So, this was something that worked out. And, again, credit to the medical system to have gotten millions of doses into the arms of millions of the most vulnerable people.

But that doesn’t explain – or excuse – Johnson’s dreadful failure to LEAD when it came to covid-19. After waffling for a month or so at the beginning of the crisis, and fatefully catching (and almost succumbing himself) a case – BoJo presided over a miserable year in which Britain has lurched into successions of lockdowns, and releases, each more chaotic and pointless than the last.

Look at the panoply of boondoggles: The wasted time and millions looking for ventilators. The White Elephant Nightingale Hospitals. The pointless waste of “track and trace.” Remember “Eat out to Help Out”? Look at the bullshit: The propaganda warnings on TV. The “clapping” for the NHS. The beatification of Tom Moore.

All of which left Britain with the highest death rate in the developed world. A good fifteen percent higher than Donald Trump’s USA. And FIFTY PERCENT HIGHER than mask-free, lockdown-free Sweden. A point that seems curiously absent in the self-righteous screeds polluting the Guardian’s op-ed pages.

Why did BoJo and the Conservative UK Government fail so badly? Was it us? Was it just bad luck? The combination of demographics and economics? Or was it something else?

Because – vaccines aside – we in Britain really seem to have had to worst of covi-19.

446825 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Drew63, 4, #1459 of 2015 🔗

Really?

446833 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Drew63, 11, #1460 of 2015 🔗

Which of the available vaccines is the effective one? None of them stop the victim catching Covid or passing it on to others.

446842 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Drew63, 8, #1461 of 2015 🔗

Did the majority need a vaccine of any sort, just over 100,000 affected, out of a likely 80 million

446865 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Drew63, 13, #1462 of 2015 🔗

Maybe aggressive lockdowns spread infection, impair people’s health and lead to more deaths.

But pointing that out in todays world is like telling people in the 15th century that the earth goes around the sun, not thenother way around.

446985 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Drew63, 6, #1463 of 2015 🔗

We haven’t had the highest death rate, we have a number of deaths attributed to covid when in fact the majority of them are with not of covid.

We have wasted too much money on so called “vaccines”. Coronavirus vaccines have never been possible with many years research and yet suddenly in a short space of time they exist?

447098 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Drew63, 3, #1464 of 2015 🔗

Could the simple answer be that we have one of the worst health systms in the developed world: not amongst the surgeons, specialists and nurses , but in the administration and management of these professional people.

447269 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to mikewaite, #1465 of 2015 🔗

You bet.

447268 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Drew63, -1, #1466 of 2015 🔗

There exist no vaccines, yet.
Only experimental gene therapies.
And SARS COV2/Covid is a pathogen and disease not fulfilling ANY of the 4 standard criteria for a successful vaccine- see the article of the British Professor from Muenster.

446838 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 19, #1467 of 2015 🔗

At last the truth about covid is beginning to come out with the news that 90% of covid deaths are due to obesity. As I’ve said many times covid affects those with really bad health problems, that is why 98% of those who catch covid survive. The 2% who sadly die in 99% of cases have many health problems which a vaccine will never fix to pretend is simply lying. Lastly what people should understand about vaccines is viruses mutate requiring more vaccines.
To enhance your immunity and improve your health through weight loss and taking vitamin D is far better as you won’t need vaccines as it improve overall health.

446846 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Derek Toyne, 27, #1468 of 2015 🔗

So basically, obese people should remain in self isolation until they lose weight and its safe for them to come out.

To protect the NHS.

446941 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stewart, 3, #1469 of 2015 🔗

I could do with losing some pounds myself, but this would have been saner than what was actually done…

447012 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stewart, 4, #1470 of 2015 🔗

Exactly. And we should publicly shame them like Priti wanted us to publicly shame non mask wearers. And they shouldn’t be allowed NHS treatment. And it should be made illegal for them to visit McDonalds. They must be compelled to submit a count of each day’s calories to the government, failure to do so will result in a 10k fine.

Etc etc.

447073 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to A. Contrarian, #1471 of 2015 🔗

Surely 10K run would be more productive…

447132 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to stewart, 2, #1472 of 2015 🔗

To save money, the State could setup socially distanced chain gangs of the obese to carry out social improvement works.

447206 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to stewart, 1, #1473 of 2015 🔗

Indeed. And instead of masks in supermarkets, they should install very narrow turnstiles.

446856 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Derek Toyne, 4, #1474 of 2015 🔗

From the ONS last summer:

“The coronavirus (COVID-19) has had a large impact on the number of deaths registered over the last few months and is the main reason for deaths increasing above what is expected (the five-year average). The disease has had a larger impact on those most vulnerable (for example, those who already suffer from a medical condition ) and those at older ages. Some of these deaths would have likely occurred over the duration of the year but have occurred earlier because of COVID-19. These deaths occurring earlier than expected could contribute to a period of deaths below the five-year average.”.

This is exactly what happened in the next few months and now is being spoken about openly.

446859 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Derek Toyne, 5, #1475 of 2015 🔗

I keep starting to type this, then deleting it because people will accuse me of fat-shaming. I’m no twig myself and know what effort it takes to stay in shape. But has anybody else noticed at the end of the latest ‘I know you all want to commit hari kari, but honestly it’s all been worth it’ ad (the one that’s replaced the ‘look into their eyes, your heartless b*stard). There is a chap getting some sort of jab and he is what a former boss of mine would have called ‘not exactly undernourished’. Now nothing against the bloke but not entirely sure it’s the image they want to be portraying.

446896 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #1476 of 2015 🔗

Ah, hara kiri (原キリ) literally ‘stomach cut’. Probably not the best way to diet but for Bozo? Well, I could make a case.

446862 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Derek Toyne, 1, #1477 of 2015 🔗

Very rational – it’s just amazing that such a large portion (sorry) of the populace can’t see it, huh?

446868 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Derek Toyne, 24, #1478 of 2015 🔗

The 2% who sadly die in 99% of cases have many health problems which a vaccine will never fix to pretend is simply lying.

The vaccine is clearly preventing a significant number of serious cases. This can’t be denied anymore. It might be below the 95% seen in the Pfizer trials but around 75% protection looks very likely.

Lastly what people should understand about vaccines is viruses mutate requiring more vaccines.

No evidence that SARS-C0V-2 will mutate in a way that will render the vaccine ineffective.



446882 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 1, #1479 of 2015 🔗

“The vaccine is clearly preventing a significant number of serious cases.”

Where’s the evidence for that assertion?

446961 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, #1481 of 2015 🔗

“This study was funded by Public Health England”

🙂 🙂

There’s a reason that studies are expected to disclose who paid for them.

446981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, 5, #1482 of 2015 🔗

email the authors and ask for the raw data.

446889 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mayo, #1483 of 2015 🔗

If it is so clear, please supply the evidence.

446917 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to stewart, -1, #1484 of 2015 🔗

Spot on Stewart what a silly boy/girl!

446951 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Bungle, 6, #1485 of 2015 🔗
446950 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to stewart, 4, #1486 of 2015 🔗
446984 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, #1487 of 2015 🔗

If you make an assertion then the onus is on you to link to the evidence, not on somebody who queries your assertion.

The study at the link was funded by Public Health England.

447109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to rockoman, 2, #1488 of 2015 🔗

I’ve linked to the evidence. The evidence is consistent with findings in Israel. Even Alex Berenson who has been closely watching Israeli date is now recognising that the vaccines are effective.

I provided evidence. You don’t like the evidence because of who commissioned the study.

That’s not a reason for rejecting the evidence. There are plenty of sceptics who are able and willing to carry out analysis on the study. I don’t think they’ll find anything which significantly alters the key finding in the conclusion.

447138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mayo, #1489 of 2015 🔗

They are effective at injuring people.

447197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1490 of 2015 🔗

Not as effective as Covid

447291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mayo, #1491 of 2015 🔗

If countries with no or little vaccine roll.out also show a decrease in death and infections, as the do, then nothing of the sort has been proven.

447071 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, #1492 of 2015 🔗

That study looks well rubbish from a quick look:

Not only did they ignore the 48% higher covid positive rate in the vaccinated over 80s group in the 9 days following vaccination vs the unvaccinated group.

But they then made the sweeping claim that this first 9 day effect was entirely due to the vaccinated group being at greater risk of testing positive than the unvaccinated group. And so they assumed that from 9 days onwards the vaccinated group would be expected to produce 48% more positives from day 9 than the unvaccinated group if the vaccine was completely ineffective.

It is more likely that the vaccinated group and unvaccinated group were similar in terms of risk of testing positive.

Firstly this would mean they have ignored the detrimental effect of the vaccine in the first 9 days causing 48% more positives than the unvaccinated.

And secondly they seriously overstated the effectiveness after 9 days by claiming a non existent 48% benefit derived from their dodgy assumption that the vaccinated group was more vulnerable to covid before starting the comparison. So it would only be any affect above 48% that would be a real effect, the first 48% being entirely manufactured out of thin air.

Of course it might even be that the vaccinated group were at lower risk of getting covid than the unvaccinated group prior to vaccination. In which case not only would the vaccine have caused even more people to test positive in the first 9 days, but it may not have stopped anybody after 9 days from testing positive for SARS-C0V-2.

Surely they should have done a matched comparison between individuals in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups (e.g. matched by age and comorbidities etc) and compared those matched individuals. I believe that is how the Israeli study was done.

Would like to see a proper analysis of the study. But it looks decidely dodgy at first glance.

447121 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1493 of 2015 🔗

We know about the initial suppression of immunity in the first week. It’s a one off effect which is most relevant to the old and vulnerable, i.e. the group that have pretty much all been vaccinated.

447180 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, #1494 of 2015 🔗

In which case you seem to be accepting that the study was wrong to claim that the vaccinated group were more vulnerable prior to vaccination and more likely to test positive. It was actually as you say that they were weren’t more vulnerable but were made more vulnerable by the vaccine for the first week.

So you are arguing against yourself and seem to accept my point that the study is vastly overstating any efficacy for the reasons I stated.

It is irrelevant if someones death is death with covid or not if they die of another cause anyway with covid just being a label to that death and so if it does not matter if a vaccine just takes away the label to that death after 9 days.

However it appears that people have died in the few weeks after vaccination after testing positive so those covid positive deaths are likely to be deaths that wouldn’t have happened but for vaccination.

447217 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #1495 of 2015 🔗

In which case you seem to be accepting that the study was wrong to claim that the vaccinated …

No – my point is that suppression of immunity in the first week will not be as significant as the vaccine rollout continues since most of the vulnerable have now been vaccinated.

The fact that a vaccinated individual might test positive in Week 1 is not really surprising since it is a couple of weeks before an immune response is generated.

447264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Mayo, -3, #1496 of 2015 🔗

You still seem to be accepting that there will be higher positives in the first group vaccinated down to the initial suppression, even if you think that won’t be the case in later groups. And as it’s not that the vacinated group are more vulnerable than the unvaccinated group in that first group that the study covers, then my point stands that the efficacy claimed by the study is bogus.

446897 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, 2, #1497 of 2015 🔗

And also no evidence the virus will mutate to infect people who have already had covid…

446960 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Will, 6, #1498 of 2015 🔗

Not sure that’s relevant since I never mentioned natural immunity.

447101 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mayo, #1499 of 2015 🔗

Exactly why I posted it because you forgot to mention it in your post.

446912 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mayo, 1, #1500 of 2015 🔗

You say ‘no evidence’ and you are quite right; trials don’t finish until 2023 and then it will take at least 5 years for the evidence to emerge. Or have you read something I am unaware of? On the back of a pillbox, perhaps?

446963 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Bungle, 7, #1501 of 2015 🔗

What evidence will emerge after 5 years?

Most of the main concerns have already been addressed in the last few months.

446980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 2, #1502 of 2015 🔗

My main concerns are
1) Long term effects – hard to accelerate that
2) Pregancy – health of mother and baby
3) People with history of autoimmune disorders
4) The extremely frail
5) Risk v reward for healthy people for whom covid is unlikely to be a problem
Is there enough trustworthy data to judge the above? Given the levels of distortion and mad panic, it’s hard to trust bodies that are behaving politically rather than in the interests of truth and public health. The data around covid is just not good enough, IMO.

446996 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Julian, 3, #1503 of 2015 🔗

1) Such as?
2) Pregnant women have had the vaccine. Adverse events are consistent with general population.
3) That goes for non-vaccinated as well – if infected.
4) Extremely frail are at risk in week 1 after vaccine. we know this.
5) That’s a risk assessment exercise for the individual.

447004 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, #1504 of 2015