2021-03-05

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447547 Puddleglum, replying to Puddleglum, 9, #1 of 1824 🔗

Hello everyone

447548 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Puddleglum, 21, #2 of 1824 🔗

Second. I think Puddleglum the Marsh Wiggle is one of the CS Lewis characters I most identify with. Why? you may ask, but it’s Narnia business.

Sorry, I’ll get my coat.

447579 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #3 of 1824 🔗

How can you puuuuuuuunish us like that so early in the morning?

447575 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Puddleglum, #4 of 1824 🔗

Everyone’s not at home.

447598 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #5 of 1824 🔗

I was having a brisk bout of insomnia and found there were no comments. Hence nothing original to say! I’ve had a couple more hours sleep now.

Let another day of learning through lockdown sceptics begin 🙂

448314 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Puddleglum, 7, #6 of 1824 🔗

No insomnia for me. I did wake up around 5am, went back to sleep again and had a dream in which I was in a car with 4 others. Later I was weaving my way through a crowded outdoor dining area. My dreams commonly include being in crowds, which no longer happens in real life.

447701 ▶▶ Puddleglum59, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #7 of 1824 🔗

Morning brother

447549 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 72, #8 of 1824 🔗

I see today’s edition is daring to intrude on the question of iatrogenic illness in Israel. Well done, Will.

447852 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Londo Mollari, 26, #9 of 1824 🔗

Seconded.

I was aware from multiple accounts in this country of dangerous side-effects among the elderly. The Israeli figures re: much greater relative impacts on the young are frightening.

My father, who got the jab and then has been suffering (increased generalised frailty, poor balance, common side-effects apparently), told me then when I am offered the jab I will have a big decision to make. I told him I had already made it.

448340 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Ovis, 7, #10 of 1824 🔗

Israel has signed a production deal with Pfizer. Israel has a strong financial incentive to push mandatory Pfizer drug use in areas where it has influence.

448335 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #11 of 1824 🔗

At the start of the above-the-line stuff I was thinking that the World Health Organisation has finally caught up with me. I’ve been saying for months that one reason for the UK’s relatively high rate of apparent covid deaths is our high numbers of oldies and fatties. However the article goes on to suggest convincingly that geographical location is more of a factor. Even so, I still think it’s true that many of the sufferers who aren’t oldies are in fact fatties.

447550 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 16, #12 of 1824 🔗
447642 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Londo Mollari, #13 of 1824 🔗

Is this your local rag Londo?

447676 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #14 of 1824 🔗

Don’t participate in that data harvesting bollox.

447792 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #15 of 1824 🔗

No email address required.

447840 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to arfurmo, #16 of 1824 🔗

They’re just collecting data for propaganda purposes.

448627 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #17 of 1824 🔗

46% said they aren’t having it. What type of propaganda do you mean?

447919 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Londo Mollari, 7, #18 of 1824 🔗

Thanks I just posted this a sec ago again. Its up to 24% won’t have it right now 🙂
Keep spamming it!
Lets see if we can get it up to 100% wont have it by then end of today. I bet they will just remove the article. That will be Hilarious!

448185 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Two-Six, #19 of 1824 🔗

28% 😀 👍

448265 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Two-Six, #20 of 1824 🔗

24%. Wow! It was only a few per cent last night. Of course, rigged polls are only a conspiracy theory.

448369 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #21 of 1824 🔗

29%
i May try some other devices….

448400 ▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to sophie123, 1, #22 of 1824 🔗

30% at 1:30pm

448628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to CGL, 3, #23 of 1824 🔗

46% at 4 pm.

449265 ▶▶▶ mouser, replying to Two-Six, 1, #24 of 1824 🔗

60% at 22.42 pm Friday

447551 Allen, replying to Allen, 158, #25 of 1824 🔗

Distorted figures are the reason for the non-existent “High Covid Death Toll.”

To those who run this site I ask you why are you pushing this propaganda? The data is easy to research and easy to understand.

There is massive government cover up on nursing home deaths due to policies, mis-attribution of causes of mortality, criminal alterations of how death certificates have been filed and on and on.

But there IS NOT a “High Covid Death Toll”- quit parroting this lie.

Here is the truth about “Covid deaths” in the UK (and it is a similar story in all Western countries) drawing from two papers that analyzed the 2020 mortality rates in the UK. The first one listed is quite short with the second article much longer. Here are the two articles :

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/01/30/investigation-100k-covid-deaths/

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

My Summary- Highlighting what I believe to be the most salient points from the first piece as we look towards a similar assessment for the United States:

– Comparing the death rate of 2020 with previous 20 years. 2020 rate was 1,037/100,000 in the UK. Highest in 10 years but not the highest in the last 20 years. What happened?
2008 had a death rate of 1,084/100,000. 2005 had 1,137/100,000. Every year prior to 2009 had a higher death rate that 2020;

– UK Lockdown was towards end of March in 2020;

At home deaths began to escalate in April .  5 year avg. for deaths in April previous to 2020 was 9,384 . In April 2020 there were 16,909 at home deaths;

– 5 year average for deaths in care homes in April was 8,691 . In April 2020 there were 26,541 deaths that occurred in care homes . Astronomical increase;

Hospital data for April 2017- 2020 :

April-June 2017 91,724 beds occupied= 89% occupancy rate;
April-June 2018 91,056 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;
April-June 2019 91,730 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;
April-June 2020 58,005 beds occupied= 62% occupancy rate.

2018 – April – 1,984,369 attended A&E (Ambulance and Emergency)
2019 – April 2,112,165 attended A&E
2020 – April – 916,581 attended A&E

Important Notes:

30% less hospital beds occupied in April – June 2020 compared with previous 3 years;

A&E in April 2020 was 57% down from 2019.

These numbers explain the high numbers of at home deaths.

Increase in deaths occurring at home and in care homes in April 2020 due to not being treated for illnesses in hospital. No acute care in private homes or care homes.

CAUSE OF DEATHS USING DECEMBER 2020 AS EXAMPLE:

– Leading cause of death was stated as “Covid-19 deaths”= 10,973 deaths for December 2020;

2nd leading cause of death in December 2020- Dementia and Alzheimer’s= 5281 deaths;

Previous 5 year average for December= 28,198 deaths due to Dementia and Alzheimer’s ;

This is a 500%+ alteration from previous 5 years. A statistical impossibility.

– Heart disease deaths in December 2020= 4,635

December 5 year average , 21,997

This represents a near 500% statistical deviation from previous 5 year average- also not possible.

– Chronic lower respiratory disease deaths December 2020= 1,790
December 5 year average, 13,384 .

This represents about a 700% detour from the 5 year average. Not possible.

– Influenza and pneumonia deaths December 2020, 1,190

December 5 year average= 11,295.

This represents about a 1000% deviation from the 5 year average. What is left to say?

And so on…. tables are included with the first article.

It seems it would take quite a monumental argument to prove that these death certificates have not been manipulated. It would take an even grander argument to illustrate that the NHS was under pressure at any time as during the height of the “pandemic” at home deaths soared to record heights and hospital and emergency services sunk to all-time lows.

447571 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Allen, 101, #26 of 1824 🔗

UK Column pointed this out months ago.The first spike in deaths only occurred after lockdown and was caused by government policy.The denial of NHS care to people in care homes.DNR orders and the government propaganda that scared people so much that they would rather die in their homes than seek NHS help.

447572 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to jonathan Palmer, 17, #27 of 1824 🔗

Absolutely right.

448630 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #28 of 1824 🔗

I no longer trust the government or the NHS, so I wouldn’t seek their help, even if I thought I was in danger of death. I’d rather die at home alone, a free person, than be trapped in their facilities.

449141 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #29 of 1824 🔗

There must be many who think the same way and that includes me. The NHS has been crumbling away for years and is now totally unfit for purpose. Johnson and Hancock are mass murderers and should be put away in jail for the rest of their lives. Many others to follow them.

447581 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Allen, 17, #30 of 1824 🔗

Comparing corpse counts is pointless when they aren’t all based on the same criteria.
Has Bozo got any thinner lately, BYW?

447611 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 2, #31 of 1824 🔗

His ego,perhaps?

447634 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Annie, 1, #32 of 1824 🔗

BTW<slap wrist>

447695 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Annie, 6, #33 of 1824 🔗

No. Eating less and exercising more is just about impossible for anyone to maintain. Especially if they are stressed.

I can’t remember who provided this analogy:

Imagine I was inviting you round to dinner. I’ve got 3 top chefs and they are each making multiple courses for you to try. How will you prepare to make sure that you can eat as much as possible?

You will do lots of exercise and not eat much during the day to make sure that you have plenty of appetite by the time dinner arrives.

449144 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Annie, #34 of 1824 🔗

Are you really Annie or simply an impostor.

447591 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Allen, 9, #35 of 1824 🔗

Thanks Allen. I’ve read this before from you but it is worth repeating and so much better than some of the nonsense people put on here, merely reflecting their own psychoses.

447595 ▶▶ danny, replying to Allen, 35, #36 of 1824 🔗

Thanks. Read this the other week, but cannot understand why this is not the smoking gun that ends this Garvey overnight. There is nothing else to add. It should be everywhere in the media. Utterly exasperating.

447638 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Allen, 35, #37 of 1824 🔗

Another good post Allen. PCR tests and the way death recordings were changed are the foundation for everything else we have endured.
I dont see why more people are not banging this drum incessantly.

447985 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Templeton, 2, #38 of 1824 🔗

Why? …Because the show must go on.
The facts are disregarded for a novel of fictions.
The supposed scepticism no less than the cynical spew to the gullible sucklings.

There are simple key beliefs that persist as mind-framing despite being revealed as false. These have their own hierarchy, and constitute an invested identity or worldview. But are ‘lived’ by reaction as if self-evident reality.

Financial corruptions extend into every arena of human society, such to as to have effectively captured regulators, and industry and institutions of influence or control. The breakdown and collapse of such as support for life, results from the shift to a negative economy, in terms of profiting and consolidating control from destructive processes, while deeming themselves too big to fail and convincing or persuading the established order that everyone else has to fail to keep the ‘system’ alive that is sold as a complex financial asset but is really a toxic debt.

The ‘alternative’ systems are road-mapped and lubricated for insertion via any and every narrative pretexts. Such as ‘carbon’ controls and ‘Banking Nature’ (see movie of same name), such as technocratic, centrally controlled social credits to a population of assets, that are tiered and tooled or discarded, and the intent to establish a 4th Industrial Revolution Reich based on genetic control – in which all but a few are used for live experiments to the purpose of mapping biological code hacks to patent, possess and control human life as tools, toys or lab rats.

The mind-control of humans is the hacking of their nature to the interjection of conditioned narrative identity reflex. Sell them the story and they give you their lives.

Invested identity will always protect its narrative as itself.
But the truth is not IN such a self and world.
Rather such a self and world is set up as a mask or defence against truth – under the story that it is seeking truth and fighting for freedom.
Arguing or fighting with it, is feeding the story.

The Lie becomes the bandwagon effect.
Attracting identity investment as the current operator for self-reinforcement in a situation of threat, fear and uncertainty.

Truth reveals…

This post continues on:
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2021/03/why-because-show-must-go-on.html

447644 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Allen, 36, #39 of 1824 🔗

I was on board with this site from day one but it turns out they are not what they seem. Sure they promote lockdown scepticism but it turns out they’re gatekeepers, establishment folk after all. These people want us to know how they are fucking us over and how they’ve turned our country, and the world into a giant death camp with no escape. Toby fucking Young claims he’s about free speech and offers an alternative platform but he doesn’t, he’s a company man thru and thru. Every word they print can’t be trusted. There is no hope and folk like Young and his site will lead their followers to the vax and the camps while all the while the people whom believe in him won’t notice until it’s too late. Effectively all of us here posting have provided the state with our details and when they come door to door to force the vax on you, which they will, poster here will be at the top of the list., We’ve been played like a fucking fiddle.

447679 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, 8, #40 of 1824 🔗

Join the free speech union & sue the owner of LS for discrimination! 🙂

447694 ▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Biker, 16, #41 of 1824 🔗

This is something I have been thinking for a while now. Biker, you have 100% nailed it with this one.

449170 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #42 of 1824 🔗

Nothing too new about Biker’s rant. People have been saying similar things about LS since it started. Of course, that doesn’t mean they are wrong.

448033 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Biker, 9, #43 of 1824 🔗

Who will willingly enforce the state’s crimes? They and their children will be injured by these pharma toxins just as much as the rest of us.

(77th brigade take notice.)

448210 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to kate, #44 of 1824 🔗

Mr 12 bore is waiting for them

449176 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jaguarpig, #45 of 1824 🔗

There is a samurai sword over the chimney breast.

449173 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kate, 1, #46 of 1824 🔗

Those trolling for 77th Brigade are far too stupid to realise what’s going on. They will be getting the old heave ho, just like the rest of us.

448245 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Biker, 23, #47 of 1824 🔗

Just like Hitchens. Ultimately, controlled opposition (or gatekeepers) rally up and nullify those who have a tendency to revolt against the big state. Notice Hitchens for over a year completely ignored pleas from many of his supporters to acknowledge the Great Reset Initiative actually exists (it’s a huge conspiracy that is not a ‘theory’).

He continuously bemoaned ‘dumb’ politicians who he claims made a mistake and don’t know how to get out of it. Amazing that somehow, these dumb politicians managed to unwittingly participate in a synchronised global lockdown of civilised nations, using exactly the same language as the WEF and unwittingly facilitated everything they needed to bring the Great Reset into motion.

And now after claiming he had no support to continue his supposed rebellion (again, totally ignorant of the assembled supporters around him) he goes and gets the vaccine, claiming all is lost. He argues his decision is based on the vaccine passport. Getting the vaccine still doesn’t grant you easy access to travelling abroad, and by the time this may become a possibility, he’ll probably be required to get his 2nd vaccine, making the first completely pointless.

He knows he has followers, he knows many will follow in his example, and he knows he can bend the will of those who might otherwise have wanted to continue fighting against this tyranny. Because of Hitchens, more people who were cautious of the vaccine will now go out and get the jab.

449180 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to J4mes, 3, #48 of 1824 🔗

If Hitchens has had the vaccine, then all is really lost for him. Serves him bloody well right.

449165 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Biker, 1, #49 of 1824 🔗

The vaccinated will die painfully and are dead people still walking, at least for a short while. The refuseniks will be relentlessly hunted down, whether or not they post on LS.

447814 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Allen, 17, #50 of 1824 🔗

Thank for an easy to understand synopsis of events. I have always thought that the death stats spewed out every day were suspicious and wondered why there were so few (if any) of deaths from cardiac disease, dementia, cancer, other respiratory diseases.

Just wonder why no investigative journalists haven’t picked up on this?

447999 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #51 of 1824 🔗

Well they have, and did, but they are either outside lockstepped (captured) media or walled out for doing so. Very few are willing to step outside their designated narratives. And can do so as a social ‘normal’ that doesn’t require conscious awareness.

448747 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #52 of 1824 🔗

Investigative journalists?

449186 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #53 of 1824 🔗

They are paid enough, so as not to pick up on what would be very inconvenient truths.

447953 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Allen, 4, #54 of 1824 🔗

Absolutely blatant relabelling.

447981 ▶▶ kate, replying to Allen, 13, #55 of 1824 🔗

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/uk-data-deaths-following-covid-vaccines/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7ab61c63-bdc0-423a-89ec-c0dfb0a560a0

Here is an uncensored article relating to the adverse reactions from Covid vaccines which are being ignored by the UK regulators.

Government data show that, compared with the Pfizer vaccine, there have been 43% more reports of injuries related to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, including 77% more adverse events and 25% more deaths — but no red flags from UK regulators.

448205 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Allen, 5, #56 of 1824 🔗

Your posts are always top-notch Allen. They’re argument-killers, like a sniper bullet to the head of the hysterical rage-induced zombies supporting lockdown/restrictions.

448366 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to J4mes, 4, #57 of 1824 🔗

Unfortunately, the zombies aren’t interested in facts or evidence, just their feelings.

“Zombies are child-abusing lockdown supporters” might hit them right in their ‘feelings’.

448300 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Allen, 3, #58 of 1824 🔗

Brilliant Work Allen, if only I could put all that info on a T-Shirt.

448359 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Allen, 5, #59 of 1824 🔗

One of the hidden crimes of the whole event has been the deliberate destruction of value of mortality data, enabled by the politically-controlled changes in definitions. This means the data cannot be compared to historical data, or even to other countries in the same year as covid death definitions may vary from place to place and over time.

The whole mortality data set needs to be re-assessed using well-established BC (Before Covid) cause of death methods. Only then will we get some semblance of knowledge about the real effect of the disease.

That will take a lot of effort and funding. I am sure a benevalent billionaire philanthropist will be along real soon now to fund this project for the benefit of science and humanity.

448620 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Allen, 1, #60 of 1824 🔗

Great post – logged for further viewing later.

449147 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Allen, 1, #61 of 1824 🔗

A very important post. Thank you.

449378 ▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Allen, #62 of 1824 🔗

Allen, I agree with the core message that deaths have been misattributed and that other conditions have suddenly died away, we saw that back in April last year.

But.. I’m not sure I have complete faith in the numbers you are posting or the Dailyexpose website which published them.

ONS figures show the 5 year average of deaths in England & Wales for December as being around 48,000.in total.

Whilst it’s not clear whether the figures posted in the Dailyexpose article are from the UK in total or England & Wales, a quick sum on their 5 year averages shows that their table of average deaths from different conditions adds up to over 110,000 deaths.

That simply does not tally with an average death toll in December in England & Wales over 5 years of circa 48,000.

There are only two possible ways those figures make sense; Firstly, if many people dying had multiple conditions and all of them were listed on the death certificate, then the sum of deaths from conditions could be higher than the sum of deaths. I’m sure that happens by the way, but the website should be honest and clear that their table of average deaths is based on deaths where the condition is mentioned on the death certificate.

The second explanation is that they’ve made a mistake and are not using 5 year averages for deaths from other conditions but in fact 5 year totals.

The article links to the ONS figures for deaths in December 2020 and table 11a in that document shows the average deaths in December over previous 5 years.

Dementia & Alzheimers figure is 5640, not 28,198.
Heart Disease 5 year average is 4399, not 21,997.
And so on, all of the numbers are much lower than Dailyexpose published – which makes me think Dailyexpose used totals, not averages.

As I say, I do agree with the core points, but using these figures will quickly leave us exposed to accusations of misinformation and make us look stupid when people realise that we’re not using 5 year averages, but the 5 year totals.

I appreciate it’s not going to be popular pointing that out, but I don’t want sceptics out there talking about the wrong data and being accused of making stuff up.

447552 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #63 of 1824 🔗

Ever wonder what the future holds China’s “Sharp Eyes” Program Aims To Surveil 100% Of Public Space

It was called the “Xueliang Project,” or Sharp Eyes, a reference to a quote from communist China’s former revolutionary leader Mao Zedong who once wrote that “the people have sharp eyes” when looking out for neighbors not living up to communist values.

447573 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #64 of 1824 🔗

I was told by someone who knows that bottom rung members of the CCP keep that membership secret from friends, relatives and family as that makes it more likely that they will overhear indiscretions which they can then report to their superiors gaining Social Credit points in the process.

447577 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to karenovirus, 13, #65 of 1824 🔗

Communism makes everyone equal, until they’re promoted for good behaviour.

447963 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to karenovirus, 1, #66 of 1824 🔗

Not true.

On the contrary since party membership allows a certain amount of influence, people are keen for others to know.

448241 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to rockoman, 1, #67 of 1824 🔗

This seems more likely.
After many years of membership growing every year, membership of the Soviet Communist Party declined in 1990 – probably the first year that being a Party member was no longer a definite social or career advantage.

448371 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #68 of 1824 🔗

They are only trying to catch up with the UK, the country with the highest proportion of CCTV cameras. We also have NSA/GCHQ storing our every word for use against us when we are deemed an enemy to the state.

449106 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ken Garoo, 1, #69 of 1824 🔗

Try walking round your town centre with your eyes peeled for spy cameras. You’ll be flabbergasted to find how many there are.

447553 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 208, #70 of 1824 🔗

Not wearing a mask?—wish I had the courage!

Dr. Vernon Coleman said recently:

‘If we stop wearing masks we’ll be well on the way to winning the fight for our freedom and our survival…It’s that simple.’

I had an appointment at my doctors’ surgery and just before my appointed time I pressed the bell. As I waited a lady came near and I smiled and said how cold it was compared with last weekend. We got talking and before long (no answer to our doorbell as the allotted time went by) we were both complaining about the ridiculous state of the NHS. As I listened, this dear lady opened up with such a diatribe at the current situation I was taken aback with pleasure. She worked at Waitrose and told me how pathetic some of the customers were. She wore a mask and hated every minute of it as it give her a head ache and caused a rash around her mouth. All of her fellow workers felt the same. She was incensed at the way elderly people had been isolated, abandoned and had treatment withheld because of the so called ‘virus’. She gave me an instance of this very surgery making a frail old lady stand outside in the pouring rain because ‘there’s two people inside already’. She said the government were cruel and unfeeling and I said that they were more than that…they were murderous, to which she enthusiastically concurred.

When I managed to get a word in I told her that I never wore a mask and never would and simply said that I had an exemption when challenged. That very day I had already been challenged twice: Once at the garage where I took my car to be serviced and again at the nearby garden centre I visited whilst waiting for my car. No problems, but they go through this ritual. I told her that when the doctor’s door was eventually answered I would be asked about my mask less face and she would witness the response. Which she did—no mask, no problem. I was taken aback by her comments to me which were spontaneous and heart felt. She said that I was very brave to go about not wearing a mask and that she was full of admiration and that she wished she had the courage to do this. Most of her colleagues felt the same and indeed it gave them pleasure to see a human face especially if that face offered a bit of small talk.

This chat made my day. I offer this small snippet as an encouragement to all of you who think that in your mask less condition you are only observed by brain washed zealots—you are not! As my personal experience is proving, there are very, very many folk out there who admire you and wish they could emulate your stand. The next time you visit Waitrose, Sainsburys, Tesco or whoever without a mask bear this in mind: To you it may just be an assertion of your independence and indeed you may feel uncomfortable but to many you are seen in heroic terms by people who wish they had the guts to do the same.

447582 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 51, #71 of 1824 🔗

A rallying cry, bravo!
And you were both right, the sheer concrete-hearted cruelty of the Covid Fascists is almost beyond belief.

447599 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Harry hopkins, 71, #72 of 1824 🔗

Glad you mentioned Tesco as I just want to remind people that, for me, tomorrow is Resistance Day and I’ll be at Tesco Ilkley to film if they harass people about masks. Remember, if they ask/harass you twice it is a criminal offence and I will compile a file for the police if it happens. If I am on my own, so be it; but I’m telling my grandkids, friends and you. Make your own arrangements somewhere else but try for 9 am tomorrow, Saturday. Together we are strong!

447616 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bungle, 19, #73 of 1824 🔗

Good luck and good on you!

447660 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Jinks, 6, #74 of 1824 🔗

High Jinks

447665 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bungle, 6, #75 of 1824 🔗

All the best and hope it goes well.

448378 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Bungle, 2, #76 of 1824 🔗

I’ve never had a problem with the staff in Tesco.

Just one knobhead customer.

448413 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to sophie123, 8, #77 of 1824 🔗

A week ago I was doing my shopping in the local supermarket. It was quite late, so the staffed tills were closed and I had to use a checkout machine. There was a problem with the machine, needing assistance from the checkout attendant. I moved aside to giver her plenty of room, but even so she kept her back to me (presumably as I was unmasked as normal). As she hurried away, I was brought nearly into a full-on allergic reaction as the result of her perfume, noticeable even when she was ~20 feet away.

Irony – she was more of a health hazard to me than I was to her, contrary to her indoctrination.

447663 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Harry hopkins, 66, #78 of 1824 🔗

Well done!!!

As Dr Vernon Coleman himsef as said many times: “you are not alone, more and more people are waking up.”

The Waitrose I frequent to has a fairly high proportion of staff who are exempt. As one of the checkout staff told me, many of them started to develop diziness, nausea, headaches, migraine, dermatitis, severe acne, chest infections among others. No-one was sick throughout the first lockdown but once the mandatory muzzling was brought in and after a week or so, that’s when people started to call in sick.

447720 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Harry hopkins, 20, #79 of 1824 🔗

Great post. Courage is contagious.

447747 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Harry hopkins, 25, #80 of 1824 🔗

If the compulsory wearing of masks by staff is causing pain and physical harm , then there is an outlet surely. All employers have to have public and employer liability insurance If the company rules are causing harm then the employee surely can claim redress via the insurance.
If enough employees did that then the company premiums would increase significantly .Companies might then think that the harm from masks is greater than the protection from masks, so in order to reduce employee risk and harm the mask wearing should case, unles s individual employees want to keep them
And then demanding it from customers would appear to be nonsense if staff are unmasked (or only wearing masks voluntarily as some probably would).

447773 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to mikewaite, 14, #81 of 1824 🔗

Some people are so dumb, they don’t realise it’s the mask that is making them sick!

447764 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Harry hopkins, 29, #82 of 1824 🔗

Thank you, Harry, I appreciate this very much. I feel increasingly awful whenever I am in public these days, because of the mask-wearing, but I never wear one and I never will, so it’s nice to hear what you say.

447835 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Harry hopkins, 21, #83 of 1824 🔗

I have been bleating on about the uselessness of masks from the outset.
I have tried to convince my friends with the data but they are so scared of being ‘stared at’ and facing averse comments from their family that they ‘comply’.
Wish i could be more persuasive.

447860 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Judy Watson, 36, #84 of 1824 🔗

My neighbour died in November from a brain tumour. His chemo had been delayed by the ‘lock down’. I went to his funeral service where the number in church was limited to 30. I was the ONLY one without a mask. The vicar had a black mask on and looked like the vicar from hell. Of course he challenged me as I entered the church but accepted my ‘exemption’ when I declared it. The whole service was a mockery of what it should have been for a decent man—no singing, social distancing etc. Probably the most surreal and alien experience of my life. After that I find the likes of supermarkets to be a doddle without a mask.

447976 ▶▶▶▶ Javy, replying to Harry hopkins, 23, #85 of 1824 🔗

We went to a similar funeral a couple of weeks ago and felt exactly the same, Harry. My husband and I were the only maskless attendees and we felt surrounded by zombies who we barely recognised. The lack of singing was particularly sad as the deceased was a retired vicar who had spent practically all his adult life leading his congregation in singing praises to God. Utterly heartbreaking experience.

448739 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #86 of 1824 🔗

Never worn a mask. I go shopping twice a week and have never been challenged, except months ago by an old lady in one of the local park cafes. She didn’t ask me twice and got on with making coffee.

Masks are abomination and people who allow their children to wear them all day at school are consenting to severe child abuse. Such people are unfit to be parents.

447977 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Judy Watson, 20, #87 of 1824 🔗

All you need to do is refer them to randomized controlled trials, which are the established mechanism for assessing how effective a medical intervention is.

There have been 14 such studies and none of them show a detectable benefit from wearing masks.

That’s how science works.

If those you seek to convince do not understand that, then the fault doesn’t lie with your powers of persuasion.

Now, we can legitimately discuss why masks don’t work, but RCTs definitibely show that they do not work,

I would encourage you to look at Denis Rancourt’s published work on the subject.

448254 ▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to rockoman, 5, #88 of 1824 🔗

Thank you for that, have tried endlessly, also gave sites to look at, but to no avail. Will keep on buggering on.

448784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Judy Watson, #89 of 1824 🔗

I think Rockoman may be referring to the CDC publication Journal of Emerging Infectious Diseases, an article in which cites 14 RCT trials regarding masks and influenza https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

The article looked at PPE including masks in relation to the transmission of influenza.

We are told that outside of a clinical setting, masks provide no measurable benefit and neither do other recommended non-pharmaceutical measures, for example frequent hand washing.

448348 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to rockoman, 6, #90 of 1824 🔗

The nadir is the Lancet study which started out saying there are not many competent studies, did a study which showed masks are ineffective, refuting their efficacy. So the logical & rational conclusion is: Don’t wear them. They concluded that masks should be worn in conjunction with other NPI’s. The rot in scientific enquiry and publishing runs deep.

The vaccination effectivness paper from Dr. Berdine at the Mises Institute is an example how it should be done.

448760 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Judy Watson, 1, #91 of 1824 🔗

Just keep wearing your smiling face. Powerful stuff!

447839 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Harry hopkins, 29, #92 of 1824 🔗

I am just about to go to my small local supermarket- maskless as I always do. I agree with what you are writing. Everyone in there looks so miserable, watery eyes and muffled speech and especially the staff. When I rock up at at the till and say hello smiling (I make an extra effort these days) they have nearly all been pleasant and I can see in their eyes peering over their masks that they are relieved and happy to see a smiling human face. And Dr Coleman is right, the minute a heck of lot more (if only) throw their masks in the bin, then it’s a big step towards “the gloves coming off”.

447911 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #93 of 1824 🔗

Don’t shop at Waitrose – they are a mask enforcement arm of the government since the start.

447971 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 8, #94 of 1824 🔗

The Waitrose I frequent to have been welcoming and a beacon of sanity.

I’ve been avoiding Tesco like the plague especially with their unwelcoming signs.

448403 ▶▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #95 of 1824 🔗

It seems like a lot of the variation is down to differences in local management interpretation of the rules – as intended by the loose mix of guidance/law, uncertainty breeds fear.

448593 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #96 of 1824 🔗

It seems like it and that’s why I prefer to go into the same branches consistently. I get to know the staff and they get to know me even if its by sight.

447959 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Harry hopkins, 25, #97 of 1824 🔗

Honestly that can’t be underestimated. Every small act of visible defiance is important. It means that you have already made the first step so that when they really come to put the boot on your neck, and they will, you’ve gone through training. You’ll not acquiesce to it so easily as many others will.

It’s just a mask becomes its just a vaccine for your kids so easily in my view.

448217 ▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #98 of 1824 🔗

thank you harry for this is wonderful to hear . today i’m going to local store that for the first time i saw a store with a masks required sign that had in small print unless you are exempt or something .
i ‘m going to try and if is true i’ll make a point of thanking the nice manager.

now the post office has a second sign saying somehting like please wear a mask not masks are required [ i stopped using my scarf many months ago there at least].

448231 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #99 of 1824 🔗

Mr Coleman should share his spinal fortitude with the lord Sumption re his knee-taking on the ‘vaccine’, perhaps?

448385 ▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #100 of 1824 🔗

The employers should have done a risk assessment about the possible dangers of the action and how to mitigate it.

I don’t wear a mask and have spoken to staff in some shops. Early on it turned out they needn’t wear masks, but only staerted doing so as a result of managemet response to (masked) customer complaints. A lot of it seems to come down to complainers having the view that ‘if I have to do it, so do you’.

LawOrFiction is your (and their) friend.

https://laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

“ADDED from 24 Sept, employees and workers providing services at the premises are required to wear face covering (unless reasonable excuse exemption applies – see below) in any area of the premises which is open to the public AND where they are likely to come within “close contact” (see below) of any member of the public.

The ‘and’ is important. An employee or worker is not required to wear the face covering during such time as they will be likely to remain more than, we say, 1 meter away from the public. This is apparent because, though ‘close contact’ is not defined in these regulations, it has since been defined in The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) Self Isolation) (England) Regulations 2020, reg 5.:

  • having face-to-face contact with someone at a distance of less than 1 metre,
  • spending more than 15 minutes within 2 metres of an individual,
  • travelling in a car or other small vehicle with an individual or in close proximity to an individual on an aeroplane;

Employers do not have to go further than the law requires and far fewer workers fall will within the above than might have been thought previously.”

449052 ▶▶ nootnoot, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #101 of 1824 🔗

Good stuff.
There are many people out there (like me originally) who are just too affraid to take off the mask. We are a very weak society compared to back in the day. I often see an ex workmate on my lunchtime walks who wears a mask in the same local shop. You can tell he doesn’t want to but wait till the day he sees me without, hopefully it will change his mind.

447554 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 23, #102 of 1824 🔗

Don’t you love nature People flee to higher ground, boats rush to safer waters after New Zealand says tsunami evacuation ‘overrides’ Covid alert lets see them this!

Coastal areas of New Zealand were under evacuation orders for several hours after a series of powerful earthquakes, sending residents fleeing to safety as officials said the emergency overrode the country’s Covid-19 restrictions.

447565 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #103 of 1824 🔗

control*

447583 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #104 of 1824 🔗

Dear me, dear me, surely it’s better to drown than to get a fever and
a bit of a cough?

447555 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 42, #105 of 1824 🔗

On the correlation of over-weight rates and coronavirus death rates: that is all it is, a correlation. There are lots of correlations in the world. Ice cream sales and death by drowning are correlated, but that does not mean eating ice cream increases one’s risk of drowning. Yet, this is precisely the sort of nonsense that passes for science so often. This pseudoscientific approach has been particularly evident in the coronavirus madness.

However, this scientific illiteracy is highly selective. For example, anyone dying within twenty-eight days of a positive test is classified as a Covid 19 death, regardless of cause of death. Yet, the MHRA reported four hundred and sixty deaths after “vaccination” are not classified as vaccine deaths. On the contrary. Here, the official position is to reject correlation and insist that classification of death needs to be based on established causation.

When it comes to the coronavirus responses, logic and evidence are mere conveniences, to be used or ignored as suits the narrative imperatives.

447566 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #106 of 1824 🔗

Funny how lockdowns prohibit activity & lardies die of wuh-flu, innit?

447586 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #107 of 1824 🔗

Go here and see what can be done with spurious correlations:

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

448067 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 4, #108 of 1824 🔗

Hilarious.

Sometime I just love this site.

447670 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #109 of 1824 🔗

Yet again another evidence that this ceased to be about the virus a long time ago.

I was remined about government reactions to SARS and Swine flu and from what I recall in both cases the state pumped out positive messages about the number of people who have recovered, reassuring the populace, exhorting people to carry on as normal and the all important “catch it, bin it, kill it”

There’s none of that now and I think that’s what we need.

447673 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #110 of 1824 🔗

Agreed – it is not as simple as lardy = 6 foot under. In countries with less sunshine though the elderly and the overweight do have more trouble shaking off the dreaded virus and that is due to the fact that age and weight both promote the formation of more ACE2 receptors on cell membranes.

ACE2 receptors allow the virus into the cell.

The second graph ATL is very interesting. It would be useful to know which country is which so we could look at climate, society, politics etc and find out more.

447924 ▶▶ Polonium1806, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #111 of 1824 🔗

This obesity correlation seem especially suspicious. Is that you are much more likely to die of fat or is it that older, already unhealthy people are much more vulnerable and often overweight because they don’t move around as much and digestion is much slower etc. Or most over 80s run around with six packs and 3% body fat and I just did not noticed that?

448052 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Steve Hayes, 13, #112 of 1824 🔗

It’s a useful correlation in that it enables further social control by government, again justiffied by being “for your own good.” There’s going to be a lot more of this. Lose weight to save yourself and others from Covid; stop smoking, stop drinking alcohol, stop burning fossil fuels, stop disobeying orders (because “experts say” there’s a correlation between civil disobedience and Covid deaths). Save yourself, save others, save the NHS. Do as we tell you and you will be safe and happy forever.
I was intending to go and put the kettle on but I might have read somewhere about a correlation between Covid deaths and the consumption of tea and coffee. I’ll phone the SAGE helpline and ask for guidance.

448062 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #113 of 1824 🔗

The most hilarious thing are the lines they plot to indicate a trend.

What I see are a blob of dots on the top right and a line of dots at the bottom.

And a straight line joining the blob at the top right with the beginning of the line of dots, desperately trying to suggest that the more fatties the more covid deahts and ignoring the line of fatties at the bottom with low covid deaths.

I wonder if I can get my analysis published.

447556 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #114 of 1824 🔗

Doctors found a weird new coronavirus vaccine side effect that takes a week to appear

The new symptoms appear several days after the second shot. The arm can turn red, sore, itchy, and swollen, The New York Times reports . The reaction seems to be harmless (hopefully not armless)

447587 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #115 of 1824 🔗

You get jabbed and you get a sore arm?
Amazing.

447596 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 9, #116 of 1824 🔗

Who would have thought, if you inject poison into your body, you’d get sick.

447762 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to Anti_socialist, #117 of 1824 🔗

weird!

447601 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #118 of 1824 🔗

Funny why they should report this side effect. What about all the other much more serious side effects we are hearing about?

447619 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Janette, 2, #119 of 1824 🔗

Who says it’s not serious?

If you listen to THE science eating meat gives you cancer, wait 10 years before we label this harmless.

447623 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Janette, 18, #120 of 1824 🔗

Propaganda has to have some truth behind it.

People are questioning whether there are side effects. By releasing info that there are side effects but it’s only a sore arm it’s an attempt to disarm any more serious inquiry.

Because a sore arm is better than death and an overwhelmed health service! (This last paragraph is approved by the Ministry of Information.)

447781 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #121 of 1824 🔗

I am expecting a number of these ‘gaslighting’ articles to appear in the media. They will accept the reality of harms caused by vaccine but will dismiss them as minor, similar to the DM a couple of days ago.

448125 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #122 of 1824 🔗

I wonder if that is the brilliant human body isolating the poison to minimise problems caused by it?

449260 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Anti_socialist, #123 of 1824 🔗

Nasty pictures.

447557 Anti_socialist, 26, #124 of 1824 🔗

The animal vaccine trials have started Great Apes at San Diego Zoo receive experimental COVID vaccine after decades of trying & failing to produce a coronavirus vaccine now everyone can do it, in record time!
It’s very odd animal vaccines are labelled ‘experimental’ but human vaccines totally safe.

447558 TheClone, replying to TheClone, 76, #125 of 1824 🔗

Given his lack of leadership during the last 12 months, his continuous reluctance to say that lockdowns will not be used again, and his stealth support for vaxx passport and digital IDs, I think Boris Johnson is the worst PM ever. Prove me wrong!

447569 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheClone, 50, #126 of 1824 🔗

Without a doubt he is the worst prime minister.He has sold his country out to a globalist cabal.

447614 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to jonathan Palmer, 15, #127 of 1824 🔗

The sell-off began with Heath, if not earlier, IMO.

447854 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #128 of 1824 🔗

I would be fascinated to know what the leverage was. Presumably this outcome is not what Johnson envisaged for his premiership, so how was he persuaded? Did they threaten to collapse the UK economy, or did they threaten to turn us into a pariah state? Or has Johnson been a crypto-Dark Green believer all along and has seized the moment to introduce policies which the public would never have voted for?

I do believe Johnson’s enthusiasm for grands projets arises out of his enormous appetite for self-aggrandisement. It is more than likely that his instincts would have propelled him to take the lead of the covid ‘vaccine’ programme, which is indeed what we see. The UK is now a world leader in medicating the population and health-based economics.

448176 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bugle, 4, #129 of 1824 🔗

It’s easy to imagine what filth will be on his laptop, and Bill surely has all the details.

447930 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #130 of 1824 🔗

I’m waiting for the Gates Foundation to pick up the tab for Carry’s Downing Street makeover.

447658 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to TheClone, 10, #131 of 1824 🔗

I know that correlation is not causation however is it just coincidence that the calibre of our primeministers has deteriorated in line with tv quiz shows?

Compare Ask the Family with that programme where celebrities are strapped into a spinning circle (haven’t watched it).

Then compare the experience of Margaret Thatcher’s governments with BoJo’s.

I rest my case.

447666 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Puddleglum, 7, #132 of 1824 🔗

Was that the MT who destroyed British manufacturing and turned Britons into a bunch of bean counters? Better pick your case up again M8.

448419 ▶▶ StanleyDuke, replying to TheClone, 1, #133 of 1824 🔗

It’s a toss-up between Johnson and Churchill.

447559 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 37, #134 of 1824 🔗

Doctor who said Canada doesn’t need COVID vaccine calls online critics ‘hyenas’ in $6.8M libel suit

The legal action targets tweets that began after Gill wrote that society has existing COVID defences in the form of ‘the Truth … T-cell immunity … Hydroxychloroquine’

447568 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #135 of 1824 🔗

Dr. Gill is great and one of the few doctors who have spoken out, at great cost to her personally and professionally.

447632 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #137 of 1824 🔗

Beware the Brazafrican mutant.
It’s the fat one that propagates via hamburgers.

447645 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Annie, 2, #138 of 1824 🔗

There is a precedent. The Killer Bee (Africanized Bee) was a hybrid of the the East African Lowland Bee and European Honey Bees – especially the Italian, that was introduced into Brazil and which then escaped quarantine and spread all over the Americas

447659 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to mj, #139 of 1824 🔗

Perhaps definition of virus would be apt at this point.

448780 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Anti_socialist, #140 of 1824 🔗

‘PR’

447561 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #141 of 1824 🔗

I thought discrimination was illegal? Intelligence agency GCHQ asks for would-be job applicants to come forward – but only if they are ‘from an ethnic minority background or women’

GCHQ invited only people ‘from an ethnic minority background or women’ to register their interest for a role in its IT department, Intelligence agency were branded ‘morons’ by Tory MP Philip Davies

447562 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #142 of 1824 🔗

I have noticed that US navy ships have been involved in more than their fair share of accidents in recent years. Some attribute this to the positive discrimination rather than promotion on the basis of merit.

If the Russians really were planning a sneak attack on the West (I doubt they would since we are doing a good job of destroying ourselves) then GCHQ and the Intel agencies probably wouldn’t notice.

447585 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Londo Mollari, 11, #143 of 1824 🔗

Its hard to believe they have not noticed the current on going attack that is going to impoverish and enslave us all.

448811 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Saved To Death, #144 of 1824 🔗

Its hard to believe they are not deeply and inextricably involved ..,

447952 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #145 of 1824 🔗

I identify as black and Rachel Dolezal is my slay kween
Now can I join the 77th??

447968 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #146 of 1824 🔗

How are you with being able to dress Penis wounds?

447563 Anti_socialist, 24, #147 of 1824 🔗

Are Fatty lockdowns next ‘Wake-up call’ for the West: Top experts call for obesity clamp down after report finds nine out of ten global Covid deaths happened in countries with fattest populations Is there any correlation here with lockdowns?

I’ve come to the conclusion I don’t want the government to save my life. How do I get a divorce from government? Dogs get better treatment than human pets, if i’m sick just give me a pill to end the suffering!

447564 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 61, #148 of 1824 🔗

I know we’re all under stress but I think someone needs to go to Judith Woods of the Telegraph (referenced above the line) and gently take her laptop off her and suggest she needs to take a very long break.

447584 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ed Phillips, 21, #149 of 1824 🔗

I read her article earlier this morning. In a very crowded field she currently has my vote as most pitiful excuse for a human being.
Then coming on here i have just read the linked to letter from the UK Medical Freedom Alliance questioning why it is even being considered necessary to contemplate vaccinating children. The letter is reasonable, rational and factual. To think that it is even necessary to have to raise the objections they make, but such are the times we find ourselves in.
Anyhow, I’ve been listening to all of my Roy Harper CDs lately and this lyric from Me and My Woman , just gets to me:

What a lovely day
What a day to play at living
What a mess we make
What a trust we break
Not giving our wings to our children
O how we fail them
O how we nail them

447606 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 39, #150 of 1824 🔗

What a lovely Nazi she’d have made.

If Jews have to wear a yellow star, so be it.
If Jews have to be pushed out of their jobs, why not, if that’s what it takes.
If Jews have to be herded into ghettoes, that’s what must be done.
If Jews have to be sent to concentration camps, fine.
If Jews have to be gassed, I’m all for it.

447617 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 2, #151 of 1824 🔗

There’s been an epidemic of deleting bad poetry as of late, i’m beginning to think all poetry should be banned, it’s propagating like a virus. Just please don’t lock down the poets here.

447667 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, #152 of 1824 🔗

My Farewell to Peter was a gem.

447713 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #153 of 1824 🔗

you keep saying poetry should be banned and for some reason that makes me want to write some. I won’t though because i don’t do poetry. I do rap and love songs but the free speech people don’t like that either. Maybe my rap is a problem because i’m a white man of privilege and not a coloured person from the hood, though i could be how could they tell? I could be a non binary trans lady of asian origin for all they Know. I could be mr Lover Lover (shabba), i could be any of these things. At the chime of the city clock i could have been a cook, i could have been one of these things first but we i really am is just food, livestock. it’s time for the American people to break free from their shackles and rise up.
What is the point though bleating on and on everyday about the lockdown? Just take the vax and wear the mask use electronic money and shut up. If we all do that Toby and his posh friends, who think they rule over us, might let us out for a couple of weeks in the summer before it’s back in the house.

447770 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, 2, #154 of 1824 🔗

I don’t want it banned, just wiped off the face of the earth, because I’ve always hated poetry, it does nothing for me at all, which I know makes me uncoof & uncultured but fuck it I am what I am. Each to their own.

447621 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, 12, #155 of 1824 🔗

In less progressive days we’d have called her hysterical and very gently moved her away from company and encouraged bed rest until her nerves were restored.

Now, this stuff I’d put in a national broadsheet newspaper.

447674 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #156 of 1824 🔗

The appearance of her screed ATL on the same day as the piece about crisis religion was … providential.

447785 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #157 of 1824 🔗

Her piece seems to have united all the DT BTL commentators though – not even 77th brigade has appeared to applaud it.

448807 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ed Phillips, #158 of 1824 🔗

I could go with her having a short, but correctly located, break …

449061 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Ed Phillips, #159 of 1824 🔗

I agree she’s got attitude!

447567 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #160 of 1824 🔗

Mistake

447570 ▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #161 of 1824 🔗

Excellent point.

447574 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #162 of 1824 🔗

Is Obesity to Blame For the High Covid Death Toll?

If you’re fat, you’re at higher risk of death, so stay indoors, don’t get any free vitamin D, don’t walk more than 5 miles (or we’ll arrest you), stay home & die! Shouldn’t the headline be lockdown makes you fat? ( Do the police drive you home if you’re caught outdoors or make you walk? )

The Emerging Totalitarian Dystopia: An Interview With Professor Mattias Desme

Give them an inch they take over your life! I don’t need a paragraph to describe a totalitarian state, I can sum up totalitarianism in 3 letters S N P

COVID-19 Testing and the Workplace

Don’t facilitate the tyranny, “JUST SAY NO! “ – Nasty Reagan.

Zero Covid Cultists Target Scotland

I refer you to the above 1-3.

Why is the Government Ignoring the Evidence on Harms to Schoolchildren of Wearing Masks?

This is an easy one, see earlier comments 1-4.

Now Granny is Safe, Are We Killing Our Children?

It’s not just the children, discrimination is against the law they’re killing everyone off.

What is Happening With Mortality in Israel?

See answers 1-7, good news though mortality is dying out with fewer of us left.

Why is SAGE Still Advising Government?

Seems you made a typo;

………………………….. Why was SAGE ever advising government ………………

There fixed it

Every Crisis Becomes a Religion If it Lasts Long Enough

I don’t do religion, feelings ain’t facts.

Poetry Corner

There’s a poetry pandemic going on how do we stamp this insidious nonsense out before everyone’s doing it? Here’s one I made earlier,

Stop
it.

447593 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #163 of 1824 🔗

Poetry is part of culture.
Even bad poetry is part of culture. Think how much poorer the world would be without William McGonagal.
Covid fanatics hate culture.
Therefore LDS should love culture.
I’m looking forward to the first LDS Anthology.

447615 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, #164 of 1824 🔗

William McGonagal.

Who?

447631 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #165 of 1824 🔗

Sorry, should be spelled McGonagall.
Notorious bad poet of the Victorian era.Wrote ‘The Tay Bridge Disaster’, the most unintentionally funny poem ever.
My muse and inspiration.
No relation to the Hogwarts teacher of the same name, but undoubtedly her onomastic aetiology.

447655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 1, #166 of 1824 🔗

Culture is “racist” I feel there should be more opposition to poetry 😉

447730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #167 of 1824 🔗

You’ve put me in a right black mood by saying that.

447775 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, #168 of 1824 🔗

I see what you did there.

447774 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Annie, 1, #169 of 1824 🔗

But you’re really very different from Mr McGonagall:
You’re meaning to be witty, whereas he didn’t mean to be at all.

447789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Annie, #170 of 1824 🔗

McGonagall, a blast from the past. Also a favourite of the ‘highly esteemed’ Goon Show.

447742 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #171 of 1824 🔗

McGonagall should be the official Lockdown Sceptic Poet Laureate:

Oh! it was a miracle how any of them were saved,
But it was by the aid of God, and how the crew behaved;
Because God helps those that help themselves,
And those that don’t try to do so are silly elves.’

‘The Collision in the English Channel’

447576 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #172 of 1824 🔗
448087 ▶▶ kate, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #173 of 1824 🔗

From the above article

“We conclude that the Pfizer vaccines, for the elderly, killed during the 5-week vaccination period about 40 times more people than the disease itself would have killed, and about 260 times more people than the disease among the younger age class. We stress that this is in order to produce a green passport valid at most 6 months, and promote Pfizer sales.
These estimated numbers of deaths from the vaccine are probably much lower than actual numbers as it accounts only for those defined as COVID-19 deaths for that short time period and does not include AVC and cardiac (and other) events resulting from the inflammatory reactions in tens of reports documented on the NAKIM site, which themselves are only the iceberg’s tip, see here.

This does not account for long-term complications described in a criminal complaint filed in December 2020 in France and which was translated to english, see here.
Looking back, this explains why the serious COVID-19 cases increased as vaccination started, and why cases started to decline when vaccination was opened to the young and continue to decline as the vaccination national campaign is losing its momentum.

We hope that this massacre will not include those below 13, as these have an increased adverse reaction rate, including death, to vaccines as shown by multi-decennial data from the VAERS reports in the USA.
We summarise that the pandemic may be predicted for the coming weeks. The decrease in vaccinations and in vaccination age will cause a decrease in serious cases, mainly not because of the protection by the vaccine, but because fewer people will die from the vaccine and other adverse vaccine reactions.”

448093 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to kate, 3, #174 of 1824 🔗

The French criminal complaint referred to in the above article includes this:

“So, it is in this context of risk and total uncertainty that the President of France affirmed during his speech of November 24th , 2020, in clear violation of the precautionary principle that the “vaccination campaign” would begin “in late December, early January”.

Additionally, this announcement was made at a time when the very usefulness of the principle of vaccination against Covid-19 is very controversial within the medical community, namely due to its low efficacy, its dangerous nature and the lack of a track record for this new technology.”

448319 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to kate, 4, #175 of 1824 🔗

This vaccine roll out looks to me to be the end game, so to speak. all these lockdowns were for nothing. They were/are to coerce the population into taking this experimental jab.

About a week or so back I watched a video on Facebook from an Israeli called Josh Roberts. He was saying how everybody in Israel knows that the Holocaust started with discrimination and that everyone there says “Never again.” But a large section of the population there are going along with Vaccine passports and demanding that lists of the unvaccinated be published.
The last place you would expect this to happen is Israel, he said.

Is this merely to increase Pfizer profits, or is there a more sinister agenda?

448329 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #176 of 1824 🔗

I think he is being naive if he believes Israel is the last place you would expect something like that.

448375 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Waldorf, #177 of 1824 🔗

I know what you mean – but hitherto the harsh treatment has been meted out to non-Israelis and to Jewish groups that don’t fit – like darker skinned ones from Ethiopia..

447578 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #178 of 1824 🔗

Who ate all the pies
Who ate all the pies
You fat bastard
You fat bastard
Who ate all the pies

447580 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Cecil B, 6, #179 of 1824 🔗

Going to have that in my head all day now. Cheers.

447594 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 13, #180 of 1824 🔗

When your Prime Minister is fat
All slimming slogans will fall flat.
There is no arguing with that.

447597 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #181 of 1824 🔗

Mmm, Pie or mask? Boris wrestles with his conscience and opts for pie.

447607 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Alex B, 8, #182 of 1824 🔗

I like the dunce’s cap addition. But is the mask genuine?

If it is then this makes me think that our Prime Minister is being subjected to outside pressure.

Whose idea was it to set the pic up and release it? This is a picture of someone being put through deliberate humiliation. Sitting alone, with his face covered on a chair that is too small.

It is not an image that projects competence or reassurance. It’s saying that if the PM can be humiliated this way then so must you be.

Unless it’s all photoshop then I’ll be quiet.

447613 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #183 of 1824 🔗

It comes from The Telegraph from a few days ago. Indeed the mask looked fake to me when i added the cap in Photoshop. If it is fake it’s curious that the Telegraph used it.

447618 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Alex B, 14, #184 of 1824 🔗

This has got my brain ticking.

Why would the Telegraph run it? It’s moving towards Ed Miliband’s bacon sandwich territory. Which usually means the press has turned against someone.

But the main feeling I get from it is humiliation. Look at his eyes. That looks like a man wondering where he is and what he’s doing there.

To choose this image for public consumption is saying something. I just can’t work out what the message is supposed to be for us plebs.

447629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ed Phillips, 6, #185 of 1824 🔗

The story that accompanied the photo was Boris visiting some school and this is supposed to be a Year 2 Maths class. When I initially saw it and the context I thought: Boris forced to repeat Year 2 Maths again.
Totally agree with your point about his somewhat bewildered, perplexed look.
Honestly though, I just found it really funny; the set up, with the kids sized chair and table, the bewildered look, mask and so on.

447675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Alex B, 7, #186 of 1824 🔗

That’s what I mean. It’s a ridiculous photo of a PM in the middle of a national “crisis”. Why was it used?

447726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #187 of 1824 🔗

Because it’s where this particular PM belongs?

447651 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #188 of 1824 🔗

Just trawled through my Covid bookmarks and found the original link and the picture is still there:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/02/exclusive-schools-accused-blackmailing-parents-giving-testing/

447685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ed Phillips, 8, #189 of 1824 🔗

That photo of Johnson reminds me of the Queen at Westminster Abbey in November last year.

Being the saddo that I am, I zoomed at the photo and goodness, she looked uncomfortable and unhappy having to wear a mask. Whoever thought of humiliating her with that stunt should have been made to face the music.

And yeah, photos of our leaders wearing masks is not designed to instill public confidence. It’s a far cry from WW2 when you had the likes of Churchill, King George VI and Queen Elizabeth out and about defiant in the face of certain death.

448799 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alex B, 1, #190 of 1824 🔗

I’ve been told that most photos of people in the msm are photoshopped.

447600 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cecil B, 7, #191 of 1824 🔗

I’ll nominate Tedros – from the WHO – busily now pontificating that people should lose weight. Errrm….I’ve seen a photo of him in shorts – the picture is still etched on my memory (unfortunately!).

447604 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Cecil B, 3, #192 of 1824 🔗

Last line is “you ate all the pies”.

447588 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 5, #193 of 1824 🔗

Hey fattie bum bum, sweet sugar dumpling.
Hey fattie bum bum, let me tell you something.

447624 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to PatrickF, 1, #194 of 1824 🔗

Hey fattie bum bum, want another cream cake?

447927 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to PatrickF, 3, #195 of 1824 🔗

Who remembers “Ain’t gonna bump no more (with no big fat woman)”? Great song.

Three nights ago I was at a disco
Man, I wanted to bump, I was rarin’ to go
And this big fat woman, bumped me on the floor
She was rarin’ to go, that chick was rarin’ to go
Man she did a dip, almost broke my hip
She was gettin’ down, that chick was gettin’ down
She wanted to bump some more, but I told her, no
You done knocked me down once
You done knocked me down once
Said, if you want to dance
Find you a big fat man
Ya’ll both can get on down
Ya’ll both can get on down, huh

etc

447589 Will, replying to Will, 17, #196 of 1824 🔗

The update about Israel is very interesting. It explains the leaked plans of a Pfizer recall and the falling share prices. Isn’t it interesting that the French are involved in the research, the vaccine scepticism seems to run deep on the other side of the channel…

447849 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Will, 2, #197 of 1824 🔗

The update from Will today excellent as usual. The Israeli vaccine experience needs a serious investigation. The Israel government reports have been very upbeat but also using strange graphic and there is a valid criticism against what has been reported. However, the contrary reports widely circulated by Kennedy’s group seems also very unreliable with claims of 40 times more deaths. The truth is probably somewhat in between. The vaccination campaign started when the cases were reaching peak which blur the effect. It seems that you need 2 vaccines to have an approximate 75 % effect in the high risk elderly groups which many would find acceptable. This doesn’t take away that some have died of C-19 despite having two vaccines and it does not take away concerns of using the vaccines outside risk groups.

447590 danny, replying to danny, 44, #198 of 1824 🔗

Two stories today in the DM. First is that more “new strains” are on the way.
Second is that all schools on the Isle of Mann have been closed again.
On the eve of schools finally reopening, this is worrying.
All the time lockdowns are accepted as a success, this will be the path taken.
It seems like zero lessons have been learnt. We cannot breath a sigh of collective relief when this is over and let these villains off the hook.
Some of the US states have understood this, moving to ban future lockdowns and masks.
This country? We will all be back in lockdown by the autumn. Sheeples.

447603 ▶▶ Will, replying to danny, 30, #199 of 1824 🔗

The propaganda campaign by the government has been an astonishing success. The populace are terrified, are fighting each other to be jabbed and are reticent about their healthy kids returning to school when kids undergoing chemotherapy are deemed safe to return to school.

447610 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Will, 30, #200 of 1824 🔗

Agree. Hard to remember that even a few months ago, these kind of numbers in terms of mortality rates etc (however dubious) meant holidays and cinemas and “eat out to help out”.
This country has been infantilised to a point where I genuinely believe people will accept lockdowns and masks even when it cane be proved there are zero cases, just to “be safe”.

447592 Boris Buffoon, 6, #201 of 1824 🔗

To sum up today’s news.
You don’t have to go into hotel imprisonment (quarantine) if you are returning to Eaton or St Trinians but you do if you are Billy Bunter.

Though luck Boris.

447687 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #203 of 1824 🔗

Listened to that last night and great interview yet again. His criticism of the word “social distancing” is spot on.

447605 danny, replying to danny, 50, #204 of 1824 🔗

So along comes a virus that apparently now only targets the fat.

It used to only target the very old, but can’t anymore because we’ve paid for the miracle vaccine.

Then it decided to only target ethnic minorities, but they made a big babyish fuss about taking the miracle cure despite the best efforts of the BBC, so it moved on again.

Which brings us to the largest of our society, of which there are a great many.

What better way to cure them of their wicked ways than to ban leaving the house, flash signs across their TV telling them to stay at home, close all gyms and leisure centres, but allow McDonalds to stay open, and make visits to their GP impossible.

That should solve it.

447786 ▶▶ Julian_S, replying to danny, 7, #205 of 1824 🔗

Smokers, drinkers, the obese. Who’s next in the health fascists’ sights?

447855 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Julian_S, 1, #206 of 1824 🔗

Sceptics (I mean it’s almost septic – enough said).

447874 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian_S, 3, #207 of 1824 🔗

People accused of wrongthink.

449054 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Julian_S, 1, #208 of 1824 🔗

The smokers warned of this.

447962 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, 1, #209 of 1824 🔗

They are trying to kill people now
It is so obvious it could almost be satire

447608 Will, replying to Will, 62, #210 of 1824 🔗

Interesting update from a friend who is a headteacher. 50% of parents are refusing to let their kids be tested as they can’t risk being forced to self isolate… don’t believe the polls!!!

447627 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Will, 6, #211 of 1824 🔗

So what is your friend going to do?Exclude those whose parents won’t shove sticks up their noses? Put children with faces in the naughty corner?
Hope not!

447647 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Annie, 23, #212 of 1824 🔗

They’re not allowed to. It’s not compulsory. Even though the schools won’t actually tell you that bit half the time (realise they are under pressure from govt on this to be fair).
Incidentally I was talking to my child about my ongoing battle re masks. Apparently in the days when they only had to wear them in communal areas, those who were exempt had to wear a special badge. Now i don’t know what other people think but I’m not exactly comfortable with that. It’s a big school so not reasonable to expect every teacher to know every child but would it not be wiser to assume that the child not wearing the mask is probably exempt?

447686 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to disgruntled246, 7, #213 of 1824 🔗

the non mask wearing kids with the yellow star will soon be put in classrooms with each other, they’ll eat much in the canteen alongside others without a mask, the will segregate the children and in the end stand back and watch as whole families who refuse the mask and vax are shipped off to camps to protect society from them and do absolutely fuck all. Teachers are some of the worst humans imaginable. The best you can say about them is most of them are in it for the money, the worst, well you can only imagine

447693 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Biker, 4, #214 of 1824 🔗

Some schools have already said that non-tested kids won’t be allowed to sit with the cool kids. It’s in the Torygraph article with the photo of Boris looking awkward in a class of infants somebody has linked further down.

447805 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to disgruntled246, 13, #215 of 1824 🔗

If I remember correctly from my teenage years at school , the “cool kids” will be those that do not conform to the testing and masking rules. And then of course rebels always attract groupies, so the whole masking and testing nonsense will collapse.

448629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to mikewaite, 3, #216 of 1824 🔗

Well my husband is of the view that if our child doesn’t wear a mask, others will say hang on a minute, why am I. I am going to do some more digging and formulate my answer to the head this weekend. Somebody on the Them for Us FB page has some interesting info.

448792 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #217 of 1824 🔗

Us For Them ? 🙂

449427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to JohnB, #218 of 1824 🔗

Oops yes, fingers going faster than brain!

447736 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Biker, 13, #219 of 1824 🔗

A bad surgeon is bad,
but a bad teacher is worse. A surgeon cuts only one at a time, and is almost immediately observable, but a bad teacher destroys classrooms at a time, and they’re almost impossible to get rid of. Schools became prison-like indoctrination centres long ago. It’s a sad state of affairs.

447881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jinks, 27, #220 of 1824 🔗

Talking of indoctrination, my daughter for her GCSE Science project had to research whether vaccines harm or help. She took it very seriously and did a lot of research and came to the conclusion that they can be shown to do more harm than good in many cases. She was told that that was the wrong answer and she failed the module. So truth wasn’t what they wanted at all. I realised then that there is a thin line between teaching and indoctrination nowadays.

448625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to jos, 3, #221 of 1824 🔗

That’s appalling. I would be appealing that like crazy.

447782 ▶▶▶▶ danny, replying to disgruntled246, 20, #222 of 1824 🔗

It’s true. Anyone exempt is “asked” to hang a sign around their neck arbor school.
On the other hand, as a teacher we obviously have lots of info on things like health concerns, mental health etc for specific kids in our class. This has quite rightly always been protected; use of codes, computers must always be locked when leaving the room, that sort of thing.
None of my colleagues seem to grasp the disconnect and hypocrisy there.
Really not looking forward to Monday, and entering that world again. Not sure I’ll make the week before being fired.

447871 ▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to danny, 13, #223 of 1824 🔗

It’s understandable you feel that way, Danny. I’ve been reassured by your posts that indicate to me there are some very good teachers out there. Please try and stay employed, we need your type for our youngsters’ wellbeing.

449068 ▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to disgruntled246, #224 of 1824 🔗

Sounds like bullying again.

447609 Tim Bidie, 4, #225 of 1824 🔗

‘… obesity is responsible for worsening Covid death rates around the world’

Since no-one, anywhere, knows what the Covid death rate is, and no internationally adhered to consistent process of death registration exists, the Times has been even more silly than the comments above suggest.

Now, if they had correlated ‘Covid/obesity’ deaths per country with national Covid PCR test numbers per thousand, maybe the massive disparities in ‘covid/obesity’ death rates between countries would have found a ready explanation?

447612 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #226 of 1824 🔗

Posted this link last night, I didn’t have time to listen yesterday, commentators seemed to enjoy it & it encouraged debate, but many I feel misquoted him ( I have some misgivings about Sumption; he supported Blairs Iraq war! for one ) He didn’t advocate or condone, vaccines, passports or any government measure. He makes some excellent points about democracy.

Lord Sumption: mass civil disobedience has begun

Over the past year, his unabashed criticism of lockdown policies has turned him into something of a renegade. It is development that mystifies him; as he sees it, his views have always been mainstream liberal, and it is the world around that has changed. In the course of our conversation, the retired judge doesn’t hold back. He asserts that it is becoming morally acceptable to ignore Covid regulations, and even warns that a campaign of “civil disobedience” has already begun.

447626 ▶▶ Mars-in-Aries, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #227 of 1824 🔗

Sumption also thinks that the courts should decide what is good or bad law – and even create law – and so stand superior to a democratically elected government.

Here, I don’t see why he is so mystified that bad law is followed by civil disobedience. That has always been the case. Indeed, revolution against a government that is clearly acting against the wishes of the people is morally and legally quite legitimate.

However, the solution lies in democratic accountability, not legal intervention – which is probably where Lord Sumption would be casting his glance.

447628 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 5, #228 of 1824 🔗

Maybe he’s despaired of democratic accountability.
God knows he has reason.What price a democratic zombie?

447633 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 1, #229 of 1824 🔗

Didn’t we go through all this centuries ago, e.g. with Edward Coke (1552-1634)? I never did understand what was going on though, and probably ought to make the effort now

447646 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 11, #230 of 1824 🔗

The way I see it (I never said I agreed with his points on democracy) we had good law, common law, based on harm caused not perceived, the problem is we’ve deviated to far from it because of democracy (rules based order)!

Does it matter who makes the law? I don’t remember getting a say on corona act, contingency act, snoopers charter etc. politicians hide behind democratic consultation but never listen. I’ve been writing streams of CIVIL grown up emails (I know out of character) to the committee on the hate (free speech) crime bill & I know I’m not alone, they don’t listen, I know they don’t listen because they sometimes reply. They just pile on the fear to manufacture consent.

We don’t live in democracy we live in a technocracy.

448882 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #231 of 1824 🔗

We live in a totalitarian technocracy.

447896 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Mars-in-Aries, 3, #232 of 1824 🔗

But surely the Supreme Court should protect the conditions which enable democracy to exist – human rights and the competence of the electorate? We can’t allow a situation where the government can manufacture a crisis in order to prolong emergency powers indefinitely.

447641 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #233 of 1824 🔗

On my list to watch. I’ve seen the clip on passports around 30 mins. He seemed uncharacteristically muddle-headed and noticeably lacking in his normally pin-sharp logic and explanation.

He seemed to have no conception that once vaccine passports have become the norm, it doesn’t stop there.

As Dissolving Illusions (2013) alludes, next step eugenics?

see e.g. p. 153 via the browsing function at:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dissolving-Illusions-Disease-Vaccines-Forgotten/dp/1480216895/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375110055&sr=8-1&keywords=dissolving+illusions

447903 ▶▶ jos, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #234 of 1824 🔗

But I don’t get why both he and Hitchens have had the jab simply to be able to travel. Why didn’t they wait till there is no other choice? The problem is the more people who comply with jabs, the more likely vaxx passports become. They are part of the problem not part of the solution.

447620 Tim Bidie, 2, #235 of 1824 🔗

this is a basic characteristic of totalitarian thinking according to Hannah Arendt: it ends in the exact opposite of what it originally pursued.’ (Above)

In other words: ‘The Good Intentions Paving Company’, now, forever after, to be known as the ‘Hancock Gambit’

When the policies we favor turn out to have unexpected costs and tradeoffs, perhaps to such an extent that the original wisdom of the policy is called into question, we are likely to disclaim responsibility by taking refuge in our good intentions. I am personally confident that many of my intentions, much of the time, are good. But I am profoundly aware that possessing some good intentions does not provide a get-out-of-jail-free card either for my other motivations, or for the unexpected or undesired consequences of what I support and advocate.’

https://conversableeconomist.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-good-intentions-paving-company.html

447622 TJN, replying to TJN, 5, #236 of 1824 🔗

Last evening godowneasy posted a perfectly reasonable comment:

Admin – Sort this out. A post from Biker earlier has gone. For once, there was no sweary stuff in it. Earlier posts, inc John P has disappeared. What’s going on? This site is dead if you don’t get on top of this. Plus all the downvoting for inocuous posts.

This and the perfectly reasonable comments below it has been removed. What is going on?

See godowneasy’s response here:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/03/04/latest-news-303/#comment-447435

godowneasy – please don’t go.

Bungle – you replied to one of my comments on that thread:

Just to be clear, a troll is someone with a different opinion to you???

I didn’t mean that at all, and apologies if my post was misleading. What I was referring to was the apparent wanton downvoting of posts, which some of us have suspected may be owing to trolls. Of course I don’t think anyone with a different opinion to me is a troll, as my posting history makes clear.

I wonder how long it will be before even this post is removed.

447625 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, 3, #237 of 1824 🔗

Don’t stress, yesterday is history, lets move forward, forgive & forget.

447630 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #238 of 1824 🔗

But if we can’t have a proper discussion, what’s the point?

Once it stops becoming an open forum for debate, what is it? (Controlled opposition??)

In the past I’ve been surprised at the level of posts that have been allowed to stand on here, and had they been taken down I wouldn’t have complained too much.

But we’re talking here about perfectly reasonable points being raised, in a perfectly civil manner, and the discussion then being censored.

godowneasy’s post was a request for some explanation as to what was going on – and it got removed. Why?

If the site admin wish to restate posting rules so we can all be clear then fine. But we need to know where we are.

447668 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, 1, #239 of 1824 🔗

Sometimes certain people are given more power than they deserve or can cope with, or maybe it was just a mistake. I’m all for disagreeing i love it when people disagree as a professional contrarian I do it just for the crack. But sometimes you just gotta let stuff go!

447680 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #240 of 1824 🔗

Yes, time will tell. Some things just get my goat though, and unexplained and apparently unjustified censorship is one of them.

About the main reasons we are in this deep shit is censorship and news control.

447691 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to TJN, 1, #241 of 1824 🔗

unjustified censorship

I hear ya.

447918 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to TJN, 1, #242 of 1824 🔗

Are they shopping us all in to the authorities? Wait for the knock at the door..

448234 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to jos, #243 of 1824 🔗

They’ve got me anyway for not wearing a muzzle.

447662 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to TJN, 2, #244 of 1824 🔗

I am afraid I downvote anyone who witters on about downvoting. I seem to recall JohnP or JohnB (? The chap who sometimes threatens to leave?) getting tonnes of down votes whenever he suggested his support for the cockup vs conspiracy view of Covid. It seems a bit rich that many of those who have monstered others for their lack of ideological purity assume they are being victimised by the mods whenever they don’t get the millions of upticks they consider their right and even demand the removal of the downvote button.

447671 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #245 of 1824 🔗

It’s not about the downvoting it’s about the cowardice & group bullying I don’t mind if you disagree just have the courage to say why.

447677 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, #246 of 1824 🔗

Exactly. Very well put.

447684 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #247 of 1824 🔗

I always do. As a contrarian myself I find all bullying so disgusting I will pitch in on the side of the bullied even if only to support their right to be heard. I’m not one to cry bullying myself (how old are we? 7?) but I do notice a mob mentality here at times. We all feel isolated and under stress but I do see very strong parallels between the Covid fanatics on local Facebook groups who rigorously enforce their religion and some here who rigorously police these threads for the insufficiently pure.

447710 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #248 of 1824 🔗

The down vote thing can be a form of passive-aggressive bullying it can become oppressive, but my biggest concern is it certainly doesn’t encourage debate, it instils self-censorship, i’d be happy to see it go.

Yesterday I got pissed off because perfectly innocuous posts were attracting negativity without explanation when my intentions were good.

447719 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, #249 of 1824 🔗

Completely agree again.

447683 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #250 of 1824 🔗

John P is clearly very sensitive. I may be wrong, but I seem to recall him posting about mental health issues (apologies if I’ve recalled this incorrectly). In my book someone like that deserves a bit of leeway.

And for the life of me I don’t understand why his post of yesterday was taken down.

448024 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, #251 of 1824 🔗

Do you think the Anglo-Welsh drag on???

448239 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, #252 of 1824 🔗

Not sure I understand that post?

Incidentally, at the top of this thread I’ve replied to your comment of last evening. My original comment wasn’t very clear, at least read in isolation, so I hope this clears it up.
TJN

448484 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to TJN, 1, #253 of 1824 🔗

He was threatening to involve the police last month. Sensitivity is an understatement.

448594 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Waldorf, #254 of 1824 🔗

Yes, I know. But he was open about his other problems, if I recall correctly.

448908 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Waldorf, 1, #255 of 1824 🔗

You can usually spot when JohnP is starting to spin off. Unfortunately some people goad him instead of just backing off till he’s calmed down.
I hate bullies – HMG is quite enough to contend with right now and we need to exercise mutual respect and compassion here!

447681 ▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 7, #256 of 1824 🔗

I swear and say outrageous things in my posts just because they claim to be free speech advocates and i want to see if that’s true. I never post anything illegal or threatening or racist or anything like that. I was interested to see if the free speech union actually believed in free speech and it doesn’t. Funny that. This site, their union and the man himself are grifters, they want money, they don’t give a fuck about this situation. They live in mansions, have riches most can only dream of and are part of the establishment. It’s a clever grift. Hitchens has gone now he’s made is money from the grift and this site will go the same fucking way. I don’t post much any more although i have the last few days but that was because i hurt my back from falling off my motocross bike and am stuck in the house but it feels much better today and i hope to be back out again, away from the computer and all this bullshit.

447722 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 1, #257 of 1824 🔗

Biking is dangerous. I gave up after hearing the Jesus and Mary Chain ‘The Living End’. Got into diving, much safer.

447790 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Biker, 4, #258 of 1824 🔗

Feel better soon, Biker. Have fun doing dangerous things!

448291 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Biker, #259 of 1824 🔗

(Don’t) stay safe!

448022 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to TJN, 1, #260 of 1824 🔗

Thanks for the explanation comrade.

448240 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, #261 of 1824 🔗

Oh sorry – only just seen this!

448450 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to TJN, 1, #262 of 1824 🔗

I think the downvotes may have been a technical blip. Certainly, I voted up a few comments yesterday, but the system registered these as downvotes.

449048 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #263 of 1824 🔗

That may be the votes up-dating. If one person votes up and around the same time two vote down, it would appear as one downvote. So no actually a technical fault, if I’m correct.

447635 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 17, #264 of 1824 🔗

Bend over proles

449386 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Crystal Decanter, #265 of 1824 🔗

LOL

447636 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #266 of 1824 🔗

Following recent concerns about apparent censorship on this site I wrote to Toby and Will about this and received the following reply from Will;

Thanks Steve. We’ll communicate more on this soon. We’ve stepped up moderation of comments in the past few days after becoming concerned about a number being off-topic and abusive.

Will

I can understand people’s frustration and annoyance at all this and I look forward to Will and Toby giving some explanation, but meanwhile I hope nobody leaves the site because of this issue. Personally I need the support, encouragement and information I get from this site to carry on with my stance on this in the face of a world which seems to be getting more crazy, the more the virus itself seems to be disappearing!

447653 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #267 of 1824 🔗

Thanks for this Steve.

I understand abusive stuff being taken down, but ‘off-topic’? What does that mean? If it’s off-topic people won’t reply, but if they do reply who’s to say it’s truly off topic?

Agree with your last para. – no one should leave this site in the meantime till this is sorted.

447738 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Steve Martindale, #268 of 1824 🔗

What does he mean abusive? I don’t recall seeing it, was it me LOL.

I did have one post deleted, but I understand why, but it was done prematurely, I posted a link to a song with lots of expletives & video of police abuse, during lockdown, artistic licence! It wasn’t my kinda thing, mind. Like a good citizen I gave a content warning. But there was nothing abusive, illegal or off-topic about it.

Is poetry off topic? I hope so.

447910 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #269 of 1824 🔗

Perhaps best to split the comments section. One part discussing issues related to the topics in the  current edition or new topics with links relating to C-19. The other section could be personal discussion etc. Personally, being old-fashioned I always skip any comment with profanities or four letter words. It just reminds me of the degeneration of post war Anglo Saxon world .

448001 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to swedenborg, #270 of 1824 🔗

Segregation really?

Can I segregate myself from society please? I identify as a freedom autonomous being not subject to laws & taxes.

448296 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to swedenborg, #271 of 1824 🔗

An old low carb board I used to frequent had a section called “War Zone” where it was understood that anything was permissible. Maybe?

447975 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #272 of 1824 🔗

This moderation is a continuation of the nannying and lack of personal responsiblity/choice that is rife in lockdown land. Seems ironic we now have it here. If someone finds a post offensive or off topic we can simply scroll down to something else. I’m sure most folk on here find this preferable to censoring and removal of posts.

PS. Thanks for taking the time to contact Toby and Will.

447637 Achilles_Heel, replying to Achilles_Heel, 2, #273 of 1824 🔗

It isn’t just the proportion of the population that are obese that matters but also the demographics of that obesity – for the US and UK this lies in the >50 years old territory – it would be interesting to plot that element in the chart above. THe link to obesity is even more compelling for hospitalisation where there is a direct link to obesity and in the US some studies showed >70% of admissions were obese.

In the below linked article I also – slightly tongue in cheek – made the following comment:

Instead of closing non-essential shops and supermarkets weirdly cordoning off whole aisles, Boris again could have banned the sale of sweets, chocolate bars and other minimally nutritious meals. Or perhaps supermarket chains would have taken it on themselves to install a set of scales at each checkout and, depending on your BMI, you are only allowed a certain allocation of unhealthy options. For a fraction of the cost Boris could have instituted huge discounts, via vouchers , if a certain proportion of one’s total basket contained vegetables and other healthy alternatives.

https://heelofachilles.medium.com/why-wasnt-exercise-made-mandatory-c4e14ae4470b

447958 ▶▶ jos, replying to Achilles_Heel, 4, #274 of 1824 🔗

I suspect that all of this allows the government to fake concern about the details of what we’re eating and drinking so that they can decide who is allowed to eat what and police that digitally and at some future point, when food shortages kick in, to withhold permission for food and alcohol for the non-compliant for spurious reasons. Incidentally, so much farmland is being bought up by Gates with his intention apparently being to stop its agricultural use which will inevitably lead to world food shortages – why would he do that? (The answer he gives is to do with climate change I believe- it’s amazing how neatly all these things fit together).

448009 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to jos, 1, #275 of 1824 🔗

I agree this is all tied in with the climate change crap – do not eat meat, become vegan and whatever else.

448021 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Achilles_Heel, 1, #276 of 1824 🔗

Your universal basic income credit card won’t let you buy X, Y, and Z because you have exceeded you weekly limit, your too…your also too….
Rationing is part of the Agenda 2030 plan and an integral part of “Ten Years Of Global Health”
Something to look forward to.

449099 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Achilles_Heel, #277 of 1824 🔗

Who decides what’s healthy? What if it’s the vegan equivalent of Devi Sridhar??????

447639 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #278 of 1824 🔗

Liverpool Echo: ‘Idiot’ blocks car park to stop lockdown breakers visiting beach.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/idiot-blocks-car-park-stop-19967547

447714 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 16, #279 of 1824 🔗

Interesting that the word ‘idiot’ is applied to the zombie rather than the human beings. Is the mood changing? Do hope so.

448000 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Annie, 7, #280 of 1824 🔗

Think you could be right Annie. Previously the headline would have been more along the lines of ‘concerned citizen sets up road block to stop covidiots and save lives’

448132 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tom Blackburn, #281 of 1824 🔗

Be awful if it got keyed or torched.

447640 Biker, replying to Biker, 54, #282 of 1824 🔗

Judith Woods can fuck right off. She is a nasty, ignorant anti human fuckwit. People like her make me puke blood. This idea that i or my child should do a single thing she says shows what a psychopath she is. She, like the rest of the lying scum in the media, including those here who censor and bullshit can fuck right off too

447643 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 2, #283 of 1824 🔗

Hey Biker, that’s probably going to be taken down.

We need people like you and godowneasy on here, as there is clearly an issue with censorship.

Maybe put up a perfectly innocuous thread (‘As I look out on this lovely spring morning, watching the half moon descend towards the hills, despite all our troubles i’m filled with hope …’) and see what happens.

Is it individuals, rather than content, which is being censored?

447672 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to TJN, 14, #284 of 1824 🔗

I hope they do take it down. They can look at it while their wee graphic promoting, now don’t laugh, Toby Young’s Free Speech Union flashes in the side bar. I want these cunts to ban me. How can anything they print above be taken seriously now. You can’t trust any of them. You can’t trust some of the posters either whom i assume work for this site and use multiple names. I’m afraid those of us against this lockdown and the vax are in a tiny minority and are facing troubling, life threatening times ahead. I doubt very much BBC lackey Toby Young and the rest of these media wankers will.

447752 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Biker, 2, #285 of 1824 🔗

Despite our repression to equality the establishment once again wages class war. Those middle class liberals just don’t like our crass vulgar unedumacated language. Though words like “ cunt ” lose their power if overused.

447697 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Biker, #286 of 1824 🔗

100 percent agree.

447712 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Biker, #287 of 1824 🔗

Well, we’ve seen it.

447794 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Biker, #288 of 1824 🔗

Yes.

449167 ▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Biker, #289 of 1824 🔗

My sentiments exactly. She’s horrible, I never read her column but frankly the DT
hasn’t much of interest in it anyway.

447648 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 52, #290 of 1824 🔗

With the tendency of some here to burn those who, in their eyes, fall from grace by taking the vaccine, I would caution against us turning our own “beautiful theory” into our own “crisis religion”.

To paraphrase the ATL piece, we should strive to be the opposite of the Church of Covid which is militant, arrogant, smug, and totalitarian.

Personally I have declined the vaccine so far. I’ve never worn a mask either. As an under 60 I’m supposedly more at risk of dying of the flu or in a car crash than of Covid yet I drive and don’t get offered (never mind take) a flu jab so a Covid vaccine offers me no appreciable benefit. I will continue to review the emerging data and my personal risk and to my mind this is the only rational and truly sceptic behaviour.

447649 ▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #291 of 1824 🔗

Well said

447707 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Harry Chara, 4, #292 of 1824 🔗

Yes indeed.

447652 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #293 of 1824 🔗

Exactly. Hear, hear!!!!

447669 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #294 of 1824 🔗

The problem is why do you need a vaccine at all for an exagerration and fraudulently created issue?

If 73,000 people can die in one month but we do not demand vaccines why are we doing it now?

What has changed?

Nothing. Only the perception driven by media and government brainwashing.

A rose is still a rose by any other name.

A scam is still a scam by any other name.

The Scientific Method especially measurement does not change just because you are ideologically disposed to change it.

If you wish to take a vaccine go for it. But for those that do, don’t bleat that it means anything more than your own choice because you succombed to advertising against common sense.

And then don’t talk about common sense in another context.

447678 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to mhcp, 4, #295 of 1824 🔗

Not quite sure why you have posted this here or what relevance it has to my post. Did you write it and feel the need to cut and paste it somewhere? It answers questions I haven’t asked but it does strongly suggest that you have made up your mind for ideological reasons and will never allow the scientific method to lead you from the corner your ideological purity has painted you into. I would take the vaccine at the point it becomes the sensible choice for my health; it sounds like you wouldn’t ever take it even if the data said you should because your preconceived ideology will never allow it.

447690 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #296 of 1824 🔗

You said:

I would caution against us turning our own “beautiful theory” into our own “crisis religion”.”

Since when is common sense and logic a religion?

Also if you have been reading any of my posts since this site first started you’ll know I am a physicist/engineer whose work is based on testing and verification often to make things safe.

Saying that I’m allowing the scientific method to lead me from the corner your ideological purity has painted up into is a non-argument.

I will decide the risks if I choose to take any vaccine. This vaccine has not even met the standards that all other vaccines have to meet but suddenly it’s my “ideological purity” that’s at fault.

You end with a strawman:

“it sounds like you wouldn’t ever take it even if the data said you should because your preconceived ideology will never allow it.”

Really? Have I said that? No.

Again this is about simple common sense. A vaccine developed over the space of a year for a non-problem is suddenly becoming the talisman for getting back to normal.

Why has the idea become so powerful? Because of influence and social pressure. Nothing about science.

447706 ▶▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to mhcp, 3, #297 of 1824 🔗

Many people have stronger self-will than that and being told repeatedly that they must have a vaccine based on propaganda will only make them more likely to decide not to have it. The opposite is also true though. It’s like the reverse psychology so often recommended with teenagers – tell them they have to do something and they won’t want to do it – tell them they shouldn’t do something and they’ll decide to do it.

447729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to katz, 5, #298 of 1824 🔗

Yep. Agree. My point above was that Hitchens made all his arguments moot by succombing to a fad generated by the very hysteria he argued against.

That’s hardly being ideologically pure to point out the obvious.

What I was also stressing is that there have been many obvious things that have been ignored or steamrollered over to continue this charade.

Doesn’t change those facts either. It just takes a strong hide to stick to your convictions.

Hitchens whether he felt it or not has decided the conviction for proposed safety is better than logic and sense.

He has suckered himself.

If he had not been as vocal and decided to take the vaccine for the hell of it then that’s fine, fill your boots.

But by putting himself forward arguing against idiocy but then accepting the fruits of that idiocy what does that look like?

Ye shall know them by their fruits?

447754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to mhcp, 5, #299 of 1824 🔗

I agree about the ‘strong hide’! I don’t know enough about Hitchens to comment on the rest, but I do think it’s no-one else’s business if anyone decides to have a vaccine or not. I think it’s nothing to do with being anti-lockdown or pro-lockdown.

447897 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to katz, -1, #300 of 1824 🔗

It’s called Lockdown Sceptics but apparently below the line is only for Vaccine Sceptics.

447990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #301 of 1824 🔗

We are discussing Vaccines precisely because of Lockdowns. Would we even be having these discussions if lockdowns had not been used?

No because the vaccine would have simply been a personal choice for a small group of people and society would have gone on as it did every other year. We aren’t pushing Flu vaccines so why Covid?

Propaganda that’s why. Influence and marketing.

449116 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, 3, #302 of 1824 🔗

We aren’t discussing vaccines. The discussion is about the covid vax – which isn’t actually a vaccine.

447689 ▶▶ katz, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #303 of 1824 🔗

I agree. When did being pro-freedom become mixed up with a crusade against anyone who decides to get a vaccination? Free speech and freedom of choice includes freedom to get a vaccine or not. All this negativity against anyone who decides to get a vaccine is as bad as all the pro-vaccine propaganda while vaccines are not mandatory.

448047 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to katz, 5, #304 of 1824 🔗

Yes it is a choice whether to have any medical treatment, in this instance the “vaccine” however it is inextricably linked to lockdowns and further loss of freedoms for those who “choose” not to have it, now or at anytime. The crux of it is those who choose to take the “vaccine”, no problem however they should be the ones who campaign even harder to ensure there are no restrictions placed on those who do not take it.

447797 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #305 of 1824 🔗

Me too.

447909 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #306 of 1824 🔗

Well said. At some point I may take the vaccine (I’m over 60 and have ignored the recent invitation). I’m waiting for more data. Everyone I know who’s had the vaccine has been fine 2 to 3 weeks on but I want more data. They all know which one they’ve had and it’s pretty evenly spread between AZ and Pfizer.
This site was set up to protest lockdowns and I hope we all on here agree they are both ineffective and dangerous. Views on other matters such as vaccines will vary. I would argue that all who are anti-lockdown should be anti vaccine passport and masks, but some may be pro vaccine and other measures.

447945 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #307 of 1824 🔗

Nothing will change my mind regarding my need for this ‘vaccine’, I am conflicted however with regards to other people taking it up. I do believe in free choice and control over your own body, but in this case the problem being that the more people who concede the more likely that the vaccine passport will become reality. I can’t help but look down my nose at those who have so little critical thinking that they jumped to have an untested poison for such a wishy washy virus (in the majority of cases).

You are right in that I do sometimes feel smug but I can’t help but feel justified. I have gone through a year of being called a loony conspiracy theorist, but everything I predicted has either happened or is in the pipeline. I am very angry and being smug and arrogant is something I will allow myself as a consolation prize.

448365 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Hellonearth, 3, #308 of 1824 🔗

My concern is that they are not being fully informed. However, my experience of attempting to present information has met with only a little success and I’ve even been rebuffed with the response that “I have my own sources of information”.

The doorman at Waitrose seems to have joined our cause.

447987 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #309 of 1824 🔗

It makes me sad when anyone takes the vaccine, 1) because I think they’ll be dead within 5 years and 2) because the fewer of us refuseniks there are, the easier it will be to simply round us up and shoot us – the vaccinated majority probably won’t make a murmur in our defence

448006 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #310 of 1824 🔗

Wonderful now that’s my kind of poetry.

447650 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 7, #311 of 1824 🔗

The Beautiful Theory movement is rife in scientism. Covid-19 is no exception.

Everyone, especially theorists don’t spend the time asking how things were measured. It is often beneath them because there is elitist purity in theory and hypothesis without getting dirty in testing. So they run off with their data seeing shapes in the clouds proclaiming scientific wonders but don’t actually follow the Method.

What do you call science when it doesn’t even follow the Scientific Method?

Sageism?
Fergusonism?

447654 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 9, #312 of 1824 🔗

Dishonesty.

447724 ▶▶ jb12, replying to mhcp, 1, #313 of 1824 🔗

‘What do you call science when it doesn’t even follow the Scientific Method?’

You call it normal science. The scientific method is an ideal that is rarely lived up to in the real world.

447829 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to jb12, 2, #314 of 1824 🔗

Except in engineering though. It’s used extensively in that.

447992 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to mhcp, #315 of 1824 🔗

I haven’t read much on engineering as a discipline, but yes, I’d imagine those that tend to have immediate and potentially catastrophic effects if done badly will apply it more consistently. As for lab-based sciences, some of the stories and studies I have read are what you’d expect when humans get involved: cherry-picking results (or ignoring unwanted ones entirely); politicking for prestige and funding, things like that.

449129 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, #316 of 1824 🔗

That’s why Ivor Cummins is such a good critic and analyst.

447656 BJs Brain is Missing, 27, #317 of 1824 🔗

It is not The Great Reset we are experiencing, it is The Great Theft. Unless we get together and stop it, the plunder of humanity’s assets will continue, along with the theft of our very humanity.

The technocracy (Gates, Schwab, Big Ears) has decided we will own nothing and be happy. And that they should own everything. Somehow I don’t think this is how it should be – can’t think why…

And as long as I have a pulse it’s not happening.

447657 katz, replying to katz, 20, #318 of 1824 🔗

Isn’t the main reason for the continuing lockdown, restrictions, vaccine-pushing, fear-mongering etc, just that sage scientists, politicans and the media love it all too much?

447661 ▶▶ l835, replying to katz, 10, #319 of 1824 🔗

They don’t want to go back to obscurity.

447703 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to l835, 11, #320 of 1824 🔗

Got it in one. Look at that horrid little turtle Dungford. Has ‘nonentity’ written all over him, overwritten by ‘Covid Stalinist’.

447723 ▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to Annie, 8, #321 of 1824 🔗

Hello Annie, you’re trapped in Draefordistan too I take it. Run by a authoritarian windbag, previously a nobody. Absolutely loves all this and will keep it going for as long as he can and then retire in glory before having to face any consequences. My grandchildren will be pulling his statue down in years to come.

447725 ▶▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to katz, 3, #322 of 1824 🔗

*Drakefordistan

447735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to katz, #323 of 1824 🔗

There should be an ‘edit’ option, so that all the typos can be corrected after ‘post comment’ has been pressed too quickly by me. haha. (an not a).

447970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to katz, #324 of 1824 🔗

there is – hover over the lower right corner of your posted comment, settings wheel, edit

447777 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to katz, #325 of 1824 🔗

Yep – she is/we both are and Annie usually fondly (or otherwise…..) refers to it as Gulag Wales.

447780 ▶▶▶▶ l835, replying to Annie, #326 of 1824 🔗

At least he’s back in his shed!

447664 ▶▶ BJs Brain is Missing, replying to katz, 6, #327 of 1824 🔗

I think it goes deeper than that. It’s The Great Reset, or how it really should be termed “The Great Theft”.

447692 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to katz, #328 of 1824 🔗

They’re like reality TV celebs who want to cling on to the 15 minutes of fame.

447791 ▶▶ Julian, replying to katz, 2, #329 of 1824 🔗

A big part of it, IMO. Never underestimate human weakness and character flaws as factors.

447682 Ewan Duffy, 2, #330 of 1824 🔗

https://www.independent.ie/business/finance-minister-donohoe-warns-taxes-will-rise-after-covid-40160291.html

Taxes in Ireland will have to rise post COVID warns Minister of Finance. Now there is a surprise (not).

447688 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 36, #331 of 1824 🔗

That Judith Woods has a mainstream platform to vent her hate is worrying.
Advocating apartheid is appalling.

“but learning to conform is a life skill too. In this case, a life-or-death skill”

This betrays her mindset coupled with a total disregard for fact or truth. What she really means is

“SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO AS YOU ARE TOLD”

I’ve had it with these people, they are taking pleasure in inflicting pain and distress on children. Abuse definitely, but maybe worse. There’s a word I hesitate to use but some people seem to be coming very close to it.

Compassion has been a casualty over the last year, mine included, it comes to something when I would be happy to hear people like this had died of corona.

447696 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 19, #332 of 1824 🔗

I would have thought learning NOT to conform, not to give in to peer pressure, was a more important life skill. Conforming is why kids join gangs, just for starters.

447704 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to disgruntled246, 11, #333 of 1824 🔗

these unhumans are Common Purpose trained, psycho-sociopaths!

447758 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to disgruntled246, 11, #334 of 1824 🔗

Disobedience , in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man s original virtue . It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” Oscar Wilde. ‘The Soul of Man under Socialism.’

447698 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #335 of 1824 🔗

They’re satanists. There. I said it for you.

447700 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Jinks, 1, #336 of 1824 🔗

Not the word I was thinking of.

447711 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #337 of 1824 🔗

It’s what they are. As well as any other lowest order form of Godless beings!

447960 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #338 of 1824 🔗

cunts?

448020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #339 of 1824 🔗

Ah yes, I remember working in warehouse at night in the middle of winter freezing my butt off. A wagon pulled in and I went in to unload it; there in large black marker ink on the side of the wagon were the words: “my wife’s got 2 cunts and I’m one of them”. The ensuing chuckle definitely warmed me up.

447699 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #340 of 1824 🔗

Defund the BBC

Do it today

Defund the organisation that pumps the Dictators propaganda into your home

Defund the people who are complicit in the detention without trial of you, your children and grandchildren

Defund the organisation that promotes medical experiments in breach of the Nuremburg Code

Defund the organisation that pays huge sums to Gary Lineker so he can tell you how it is

Kill the propaganda

Do it today

447709 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Cecil B, 1, #341 of 1824 🔗

Debate in the Occupation Parliament this week on this – it was agreed by the Committee for Public Safety that the BBC was a national asset best served by the TV tax….you can read the debate, transcripts etc online.

447750 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 1, #342 of 1824 🔗

Remember when Doris promised to get rid of the BBC LOL. Sure Doris, sure. Your ‘gweet fweends’ etc etc.

447972 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to FerdIII, #343 of 1824 🔗

Just another lie from the big state, non-conservative “Conservative” Party.

447702 Tim Bidie, 32, #344 of 1824 🔗

One small step for t he North Dakota House of Representatives……..

‘The North Dakota House of Representatives passed a bill on Monday that would make future mask mandates illegal.’

‘The bill’s sponsor, state Rep. Jeff Hoverson (R), called mask mandates “diabolical silliness,” characterizing them as a conspiracy run by “unelected, wealthy bureaucrats who are robbing our freedoms and perpetuating lies,” the Herald reported.’

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/539993-north-dakota-house-passes-bill-forbidding-mandatory-mask-wearing

Lockdown Sceptics Legend Of The Month: Jeff Hoverson

447705 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 26, #345 of 1824 🔗

Starmer is calling for a large rise in NHS pay. If it was performance related they’d owe us. I think something at least should de docked from their salaries for launching a biological-attack on the care homes

447716 ▶▶ John, replying to steve_w, 4, #346 of 1824 🔗

The RCN is doing the same, as is UNISON (probably).

447732 ▶▶ Biker, replying to steve_w, 10, #347 of 1824 🔗

Starmer sure does have plans for what he wants to spend tax payers money on, hasn’t got as many plans on how we’ll earn that money off course, labour people don’t know how to make money, they leave that to others and just wait until some has been made and then just take it

448055 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Biker, 1, #348 of 1824 🔗

Of course he does the old mantra “tax the rich”. Of course the “rich” level drops ever lower because too much is spent. Very easy for people to scream tax the rich, anyone who earns over NN amount. That NN amount then drops until the ordinary people suddenly are in the tax band of “the rich”. Happens every time.

447739 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 10, #349 of 1824 🔗

Why?

If anything their pay should be cut to reflect the freebies, discounts and gifts that they’ve been receiving.

And those doctors and nurses filimng themselves ranting and raving at the ordinary Joe for “not following the rules” show that they have too much time on their hands.

447746 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #350 of 1824 🔗

the tik tok stuff gives me the creeps. its so inappropriate

447751 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, 5, #351 of 1824 🔗

Agree. Everytime I see a Ttik Tok video, I go “what are they thinking??”

447767 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #352 of 1824 🔗

there was a video going round of police and nurses dancing interspersed with police beating up protestors and people dying. summed it up for me

447772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to steve_w, #353 of 1824 🔗

I remember seeing that video and it does show how screwed up this world is currently.

447957 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to steve_w, 3, #355 of 1824 🔗

yes it’s like something from a horror film, one of those motifs where they show something seemingly innocent, which symbolises something totally opposite, something profoundly heavy and dark, it sends shivers down your spine and nauseates at the same time

447828 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #356 of 1824 🔗

I was seriously embarrassed at times with some of the antics of my professional colleagues in secondary care. I hated the clap for carers malarkey. I just kept seeing patients and doing my job in primary care. I was outside of Agenda for Change, which defines the pay scales for NHS workers other than physicians who have a separate pay structure. Most GP practices are outside AfC as well as they’re private establishments.

447848 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John, 6, #357 of 1824 🔗

The Clap for Carers was embarassing and never took part in it. I think the advantage of being in a not so good neighbourhood is that its populated mostly by immigrants who don’t understand the worship of the health service.

447931 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to John, 1, #358 of 1824 🔗

Unfortunately in rural areas a GP might now be salaried and under orders from higher up in the NHS.

You do not want this. It reduces their clinical freedom further.

Ideally shop around for a GP but in rural areas the catchment area rule may be limiting and give you a choice of only 2-3 practices (max.).

447749 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 8, #359 of 1824 🔗

Rewarding failure, wasted budget, 2 beds per 1000 vs Belarus which as 12? Endless management and huge salaries? Dancing nurses in empty hospitals? Endless moronic propaganda about being overwhelmed? No technology or access? Massive taxes to fund it? My £13 K paid last year?

F. Off. Bottle the whole thing, start again.

447763 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 2, #360 of 1824 🔗

where else would the graduates of Eton and Harrow, get their cushy salaries, and fat pensions?

447708 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #361 of 1824 🔗

Just been musing on the vaccine business and picking up on something that I read yesterday, I do think that people of my generation, which includes Peter Hitchens Lord Sumption and Desmond Swayne do have an underlying view of vaccines based on childhood experiences of Polio and of a benevolent ‘Call the midwife’ style of the NHS and when we think of vaccines think of that nice Doctor Turner on ‘midwives’ who everybody trusts and who saved a generation from crippling polio.
I am grateful to the comments on this site for pointing me to information on the current vaccine situation and some of it is not that hard to read or understand. The world of vaccines has moved on enormously since my childhood but I suspect many peoples vaccine thinking is still in the ‘Call the Midwife’ NHS mode?

Whether the vaccine enthusiasm will continue as they move down the age bands remains to be seen?

447715 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #362 of 1824 🔗

50% of the pop in any country do not want the EXPERIMENTAL DRUG. IT IS NOT A VACCINE. RNA is NOT a Vaccine. It is genomic changing. Oxford uses DNA not RNA, same result. Genomic changing. Hundreds dead in the UK, thousands injured.

EXPERIMENTAL DRUG PASSPORTS WILL NEVER HAPPEN if enough people say Flock Off to the injection. Illegal, Immoral.

Swayne et al are ignorant and cowardly. They have no idea what is in the cocktail or its deleterious effects, both short and LONGER term.

447809 ▶▶▶ John, replying to FerdIII, 4, #363 of 1824 🔗

All antiviral vaccines are dependent on introducing foreign RNA/DNA into our cells. This may be attenuated active virus or inactive virus. There has to be an infection for the adaptive immune system to work. When a virus first enters the body having managed to get past the various barriers there are several different cells in the innate immune system that respond. One of these cell types are the dendritic cells which are able to pattern match to certain proteins. The debris from the virus is presented in the lymph nodes to immature T cells which are the next line of defence. Infected cells present spike proteins on the outside of the cell which are detected by messenger T cells which trigger B cells to produce antibodies. You cannot get an antibody response without viral material entering cells.

448058 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to John, 3, #364 of 1824 🔗

However all previous “vaccines” have not been rushed through and not undergone full testing.

447718 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #365 of 1824 🔗

Whether the vaccine enthusiasm will continue as they move down the age bands remains to be seen?’

I was about to post something similar but got bored with my own writings. But I agree – vaccine enthusiasm at the moment feels faddish. People will tire, side effects will be noticed, we’ll wonder if really our immune systems are better in the under 50s. Passports will be dropped.

447728 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to steve_w, 9, #366 of 1824 🔗

lol, Passports are just the start. By 2030 you won’t have a car or own anything, travel outside your local area will be a distant memory, life pre covid will be long gone. The list is endless what this shower of wankers have in store for us.

447743 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Biker, 8, #367 of 1824 🔗

I am keenly aware that is what some people want. There are plenty that don’t – including ‘some’ politicians , lots of non-retarded people, oil companies, non-interweb businesses.

We could stand up and shake them off like flies

447745 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Biker, #368 of 1824 🔗

Humusation – voluntarily offering to die by lying down in a compost of wood shavings and having microbes eat you ?

https://www.humusation.org/en/

Saving Gaia etc etc.

447793 ▶▶ John, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #369 of 1824 🔗

I agree with what you’re saying. There is a certain naivety in people’s attitude. Bear in mind that for people over 73 there was no NHS and if they couldn’t afford medication then they could become seriously ill or die. Vaccination was not generally available. Antibiotics were unavailable for a significant period. Childhood vaccinations consisted of Whooping Cough, diphtheria, tetanus, polio. The latter being introduced as an oral preparation in the early 60’s.
Over the next 20-30 years other vaccines were developed and have become common place.
It is worth remembering that some of the more intricate details of the workings of our immune system have been uncovered in the last 30 years.
I have severe reservations about the mRNA based vaccines.
However, all viral vaccines depend on injecting either attenuated virus or inactive virus, which is still foreign RNA/DNA, it has to be to trigger an immune response. If you are wanting an antibody response from the adaptive immune system rather than a simple innate immune response then the virus has to infect some cells, effectively sacrificing them to provoke the required response. Viruses are parasitic and cannot replicate without the host cells.

447867 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #370 of 1824 🔗

I doubt most people know the difference between viral vector, RNA/DNA vaccines and the traditional inactivated and attenuated vaccines.

With inactivated and attenuated vaccines you are at least presenting a pathogen to the immune system (in an inactivated or weak form) in a way not too far from what might happen in natural infection.

With the Astra Zeneca viral vaccine the genetic material in the vaccine is used by your cells to produce the SARS-C0V-2 protein. The genetic material is delivered to the cells through another virus that has been modified with those genetic instructions.

And with the Pfizer vaccine (RNA vaccine) the vaccine is an instruction through RNA genetic material to the cells to produce the SARS-C0V-2 protein.

For someone like me with no prior immunology knowledge, it jumps out to me that the Astra Zeneca and Pfizer creations are new technologies, with unknowable long term outcomes, because they trigger the immune system in a materially different way to what happens with natural infection.

That is what scares me about the AZ and Pfizer experimental vaccines. I understand why people prefer not to call them vaccines at all but experimental gene therapies.

Having read up about it recently you realise the immune system is a wonderfully complex adaptive system honed to perfection by natural selection. Mess with it in a completely different way to what nature so brilliantly does and you are asking for trouble. I’m not saying we should never try new technologies (how else do we learn) but testing those new technologies in mass on a healthy population is seriously risk.

I expect amongst the general population, little if any thought has been given to the nature of these new experimental vaccines.

447893 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #371 of 1824 🔗

Rule:

  1. Do no harm
  2. Technology & Biology don’t mix (well) there are always consequences, simple law of physics every action blah blah.
  3. If you’re fit & healthy keep it that way, don’t fix it, if it ain’t broke.
448046 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Freecumbria, #372 of 1824 🔗

It’s a FrenkenJab

448911 ▶▶ FW, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #373 of 1824 🔗

Do you mean the nice Doctor Turner who, believing the pharmaspiel, prescribed thalidomide to pregnant women? ln all good faith he was directly responsible for the deforming of babies.

447721 Biker, 10, #374 of 1824 🔗

Your life on planet earth is subject to status, terms and conditions apply and may be changed without notice.

447727 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #375 of 1824 🔗

Update from Recovery. Apologies for length but it’s in an email and not on their website so unable to link. Worth reading in full.

Dear Supporter

I wanted to write to you with an update on where we are with the campaign and our plans for the battles ahead.

It seems astonishing to think that Recovery launched as recently as 29th October. We have changed the debate in the months since then, but nowhere near enough. If we had done what we intended, this would be over.

We are all volunteers, our funds are limited, and the controls currently in place on the broadcast media make it hard to get our voice heard. The advocates of lockdowns and restrictions have so many resources and we have so few. Yet we have made a tangible impact.

Your support has been vital to that. Over 30,000 people have taken an active part in our campaigns, helped us with donations, and encouraged friends to join.

We played a crucial part in the formation of the CRG, which has been the voice of reason on lockdowns and harsh restrictions. Last month, we saw the launch of Labour CRG, led by Recovery supporters, to add more voices from across the political divide.

Our campaigns have made an impact across our leading newspapers, generating many headlines and influencing editorial policy. Even the BBC and other broadcasters have started to cover some of the damage of lockdowns, though you might struggle to spot those stories amidst the relentless campaign of fear. They still argue that they have to obey the OfCom’s Covid rules, which forbid balanced reporting and support the enforcement of restrictions by fear.

We’ve helped to counter that and highlight the issue by launching our own mental health clinic, run free by some of the outstanding mental health experts who support us.

Looking from one end of the telescope, these are tremendous achievements for an organisation that didn’t exist six months ago.

Looking from the other, they are nowhere near enough. I feel the pressure to do much more very day. Every day ends with a longer list of things we urgently need to do – and which we lack the resources to achieve.

We are inadequate to the huge task in front of us. Yet people who should have been unequal to the task facing them have changed history before now. We can do the same.

We will need to, because this is far from over. We have to see an end to the fear and restrictions as soon as possible. However, without effective opposition, there will be more lockdowns.

The backlog of untreated and undiagnosed conditions in the NHS is now so huge, it will be in crisis for years. Matt Hancock has said that pressure on the NHS alone is a reason to lock us down again. We’re already hearing talk of a drive for zero covid and scaremongering around new strains which could evade the vaccines.

There is a globally organised campaign to keep everyone locked down until Covid is wiped out – it’s powerful, very well resourced and has huge support from those like the giants of the technology and pharmaceutical industries who are making fortunes from this, as well as totalitarians who want to end our freedoms (there’s an interesting insight here: https://unherd.com/2021/02/inside-the-zero-covid-campaign/ )

To overcome this, we will need to sustain our campaign for far longer than we had thought when we were planning our strategy six months ago.

First, of course, we need to campaign for a rapid unlocking.

However, we can’t trust that this will be the last lockdown. A year on from ‘three weeks to flatten the curve’, we can see that every such promise has been broken and the goalposts for an end to the restrictions moved.

I expect that pressure for new lockdowns and restrictions will intensify throughout the coming autumn and winter. The longer the Government resists, the more we will hear about the danger from new strains and the NHS crisis. It will be a hard fight, because the more we succeed, the more advocates of lockdowns will claim that it’s because restrictions were eased that there is a new strain or NHS crisis. They will try to make us the scapegoats for harsh new lockdowns.

We are preparing the ground for that debate now, by, for example, showing how restrictions worsen the NHS crisis. As the rest of the world begins to see through the madness of lockdowns, that will help our case too, so we are talking to like minds internationally.

That battle won, we will have much to do to reverse many of the repressive measures and pressure to conform. It is always harder to persuade Governments to remove restrictions than to introduce them. Many are set to outlast the immediate crisis. Worryingly, the Government has given no indication amidst its unlocking timetable of when it will release the constraints it has placed on broadcast and social media. New Covid-inspired controls such as those restricting our freedom to travel are multiplying even as the virus wanes.

447731 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #376 of 1824 🔗

Many people will continue to behave in ways they would have regarded as bizarre prior to this crisis, like the woman recently spotted by a Recovery supporter leaping into the path of oncoming traffic on a fast road rather than allowing a walker to come within two metres of her. The campaign of fear has made many people so phobic about disease that it actually seems like a rational choice to jump in front of a speeding car rather than meet a casual rambler.

Restoring reason to public debate will mean not merely ending, but reversing the campaign of fear – a bigger task for Government than creating it was and one that it will be reluctant to undertake.

Beyond that, we will need to work hard to ensure that the right conclusions are drawn from the mess that has been created and lockdowns are never used as a tool in similar situations again. We can already hear calls for them to be used as a weapon against everything from climate change to NHS waiting lists.

The facts are on our side but that seems now to mean little. Look at the way that the excess deaths of last year were reported by Ministers and in the media. They said they were all due to covid. Yet the ONS figures tell a very different story. 6000 people died in the first lockdown alone because they were too scared to go to hospital. The seasonal spike from Covid was clearly seen – it undoubtedly caused excess deaths. However, excess deaths at home from non-covid causes can be seen every week throughout the year – a consequence of fear and the measures introduced in response. These weren’t even mentioned.

When Recovery launched, I hoped that reason would quickly bring an end to lockdowns and restrictions. So we prepared for short, high-impact campaigning, which achieved results but not the kind of lasting change we need to see.

The objective now is to create the kind of robust and professional organisation that can fight and win all these battles, plus more that we cannot yet anticipate. Volunteers can sustain a short fight, but planning a campaign that will be effective over years requires full time staff. This is the challenge now.

You may have noticed that the emphasis has moved from high-impact quick wins to sustainable campaign via initiatives that slowly build our profile. This can be frustrating for all of us.

It’s about how we best prepare for the battles to come. Rest assured, we will continue to land those high-impact campaigns along the way – and your support will be key when we do.

Thank you for your continued support. It makes everything we do possible.

Kind regards,

Jon Dobinson
Campaign Director & Co-Founder

PS Please can you make a donation to support the fight ahead — thank you!

447755 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Julian, 4, #377 of 1824 🔗

the adults who behave like this, I have no sympathy for. With all the tech they have at their fingertips, and they refuse to do cursory research, they deserve their self-inflicted harm. It’s the effects on children, and the vulnerable which has me infuriated and despairing.

447733 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 9, #378 of 1824 🔗

Great article ATL on the Covid Religion. Been saying the same thing since last March. Gives people a religious-spiritual purpose. Same for the Warmtards and saving Gaia from 0.04% gas by weight necessary-for-life-5% only emitted by humans-plant food which falls out of convection systems.

Face Diapers – soon to be triple diapers -are religious symbols. Bulging eyes denoting a serious commitment to the religion. Turning your back when I jog by, demonstrating a fearful concern about not being terrified enough. The religious fascists scream, comply, comply, comply.

“The high priests of a crisis religion see devils everywhere, leering at them from the rubble of every failure. Only sin can explain why their Beautiful Theories are tarnished. Failure never THEIR fault, so it must be YOURS . They find your lack of faith disturbing.
And you know what? A LOT of people want to see the world that way, including a great many self-described atheists.

Atheism-Darwinism is likewise a religion, as if DNA self formed from nothing etc etc etc.

448016 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to FerdIII, 1, #379 of 1824 🔗

“as if DNA self formed from nothing”

Not from nothing. From vast lakes of chemicals.

The analyses I have seen that have been adduced to show that it is not possible in the 3 to 4 billion year time frame have been flawed.

447734 l835, 1, #380 of 1824 🔗

Missed the post, but they should have contacted you first to make sure you were open?

447737 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 7, #381 of 1824 🔗

I’ve just received an email from Time For Recovery about the challenges that await sceptics etc. Its very well written actually, although avoids mentioning vaccines. It is very clear about the need to ensure no more lockdowns for any reason ever. They seem like a good group.

447783 ▶▶ Julian, replying to kenadams, 3, #382 of 1824 🔗

Full text posted earlier on. For a while their output was a bit insipid but they have become more forthright recently; I think they probably realised that the situation was worse than they thought. They are now in it for the long haul, to try and educate the public towards sanity.

Some here will be disappointed because they are somewhat pro-vaccine, though not in favour of coercion. I think the vaccine business is fishy to say the least but as long as you’re clear that waiting for a vaccine is never the way out of a pandemic, it’s OK not to say too much about it.

447740 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 17, #383 of 1824 🔗

I was out with a non-skeptic friend yesterday. But she accepted most of what I said and is on the turn.

For me it all boils down to

‘its all based on the big lie that we needed to do something about a virus that looks like asian flu or hong kong flu – apart from some hand washing. What we have done may kill 30 million developing country kids (of poverty) – and only 2.5 million people have died ‘of’ covid of whom 95% have had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana skin anyway.’

She has basically been in the house for 11 months. We had to do some work together – we get together for the day, no masks, have a laugh and it turns out there’s not much between us – except she has watched the BBC non-stop for a year. But considering that – it was like pushing at an open door

447757 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 3, #384 of 1824 🔗

I hear there are good mental therapy groups for the BBC viewers. Mental illness is a real problem in the UK.

447760 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to FerdIII, 7, #385 of 1824 🔗

My mother has sadly been driven quite mad by watching the BBC

447766 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to steve_w, 2, #386 of 1824 🔗

While sipping her gin and smiling?

448061 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, 1, #387 of 1824 🔗

Mine too. Sadly.

447744 Bungle, #389 of 1824 🔗

You silly so and so – the post was completely supportive of you and now you’re having a go at someone who went out of their way to help you!

447753 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #390 of 1824 🔗

Here’s a thought. Imagine if the actions taken actually lead to worse outcomes, e.g. wearing masks or staying indoors for months.

One possible effect would be that telling those considered to be higher risk to take such actions actually leads to more of them dying.

So the leading article on obesity ATL could well be as a result of obese people taking more extreme measures to protect themselves which actually ends up making things worse for them.

We’ve seen similar outcomes for people with mental health issues which I would suggest could be partly due to them not being able to make decisions for themselves and some protective measures being “forced” on them.

There could be indicators in the data that might back up this idea such as less deaths in obese people early in the pandemic but increasing as NPIs were introduced. Unfortunately the data available, that I’ve seen anyway, isn’t particularly good for this type of analysis but it’s probably out there somewhere.

447761 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #391 of 1824 🔗

If the ‘science’ says Fat People are dying of the flu, shouldn’t we have Fat Passports based on health, fitness? Fat People should not be allowed to go out and eat. They should be restricted in stuffing their fat faces. Shouldn’t we track and trace them? Besides dying from the Flu, Fatties also clog up the NHS with cancer, respiratory problems, diabetes etc etc.

Surely we need to create an apartheid society targeting the Fat Ones. The Health-Deniers…..

447862 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to FerdIII, 4, #392 of 1824 🔗

It’s always good to have an outgroup to hate on and we have so few allowed to us today. Thank you for identifying a new group who even sceptics can hate on. The general public kicks us but at least we can kick the obese! Hoorah!

447928 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #393 of 1824 🔗

At home I got called fatty,
at school, W** & P***
But sticks and stones
Did break my bones
But those words never hurt me.

447983 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #394 of 1824 🔗

Yes I agree it’s not good to kick out at the obese. But the figures do show that almost 50% of covid ICU patients are obese. In my angrier moments about coercion of vaccine and vaccine passports I do feel I am being cornered because other people have not taken responsibility for their own health.

447771 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #395 of 1824 🔗

Obesity is probably best avoided and if fewer people were obese then the general population would be healthier. But given the slide into mad health fascism, I think state sponsored campaigns around what have formerly been personal decisions are best avoided, and the state should limit itself to fairly anodyne measures like making sure there is good access to sport/PE in schools.

447787 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Julian, 6, #396 of 1824 🔗

Instead of punishing people who are overweight, wouldn’t it be better to punish big food which is cynically marketing foods that are irresistable and contribute to making people fat?

Instead we see McD open and queues around the carpark (plus doing home delivery) while restaurants, cafes and pubs who might offer more wholesome fare being forced to close

447979 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #397 of 1824 🔗

I eat McDonalds from time to time. I’m not fat. You can be slim and eat McDonalds your whole life. You can even diet and lose fat just eating McDonalds.

It’s not the food per se as more the food make up and discipline.

447801 ▶▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Julian, 2, #398 of 1824 🔗

My personal opinion is that people should suffer the consequences of their choices. It may sound harsh but eventually people would come to realise that if there’s no safety net of the NHS to “save” them they’d have to take action to avoid needing saved in the first place.

Just be thankful that I don’t run the country.

447831 ▶▶▶▶ Wolver, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #399 of 1824 🔗

That sounds a lot like personal responsibility. We can’t have that, others must always be to blame..

447851 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #400 of 1824 🔗

Cradle to the Grave doesn’t quite have the same ring anymore does it? The NHS is just another tool of oppression, in much as the same way a as the police and courts, and was always designed to be so, IMO. Look at where we’ve ended up, because we gave up responsibility for our health and the safety of our communities.

447973 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, #401 of 1824 🔗

Occasionally having a public debate ( real debate, that is) on these matters would be helpful.

447756 SimonCook, 1, #402 of 1824 🔗

I’m sorry if this has been posted before, but its a PDF of the ADVANCE PURCHASE AGREEMENT (“APA”)1 for the development, production, advance purchase and supply of a COVID-19 vaccine for EU Member States.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_UyWfgAxHef0Ictvc6K4weHLY-TYrBfy/view

447759 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 19, #403 of 1824 🔗

Judith Woods’ air-headed pro-mask rant is receiving an entirely predictable battering in Telegraph comments.

447778 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Squire Western, 15, #404 of 1824 🔗

I’ve just read it. What an appalling human being she is. It really highlights how terrible the majority of the population of this country have become in less than a year. We have such a huge battle on our hands.

Feeling very depressed today.

447798 ▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to kenadams, 4, #405 of 1824 🔗

To be fair, Judith was obnoxious a year ago. 😊

447799 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Squire Western, 4, #406 of 1824 🔗

Good morning Squire Western,

That’s good to hear. Hopefully, her embarrassing, emotive, hysterical rant will have also put off many people who are more middle-of-the-road, not as resolute in their views as the majority of us (myself included) posting here.

You can tell exactly the sort of woman she is, from an article she wrote a few weeks ago – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/real-life-may-almost-upon-us-ready/

Best regards

Simon

447811 ▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to SimonCook, 6, #407 of 1824 🔗

Judith is a member of the coterie of Daily Telegraph feminists who infest the ‘Women’ section. Everyday they moan about something or other being unfair to women, and how awful men are. I eventually got banned from commenting for taking the mickey out of them.

447883 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to SimonCook, #408 of 1824 🔗

Maybe her husband is depressed by lockdown and has lost his libido….

447865 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Squire Western, 5, #409 of 1824 🔗

That’s why they published it. Pure click bait.

447765 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 33, #410 of 1824 🔗

Texas may be free today but they have plans to introduce compulsory Coronavirus vaccination. This is all about the vaccine and the subsequent passport. The Texans can have their freedom today because soon they will have no choice but to be jabbed. There is no such law in the U.K. which can be used to enforce vaccination, so coercion, persuasion and obfuscation are the tools they need to use to get us jabbed. We must not give in. We still have more rights than many other countries and we need to hold onto them. If we don’t use them we’ll lose them.

We already have the right not to wear a mask or take a Covid test and yet very few people assert this right. We need to know our rights now more than ever. Most people just follow the crowd and will follow them straight into the clinic to be jabbed. There is another way and we can follow that, if we choose.

447769 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Liberty, 13, #411 of 1824 🔗

Good post. Did not realise that the Texans would force the experimental-drug jab.

There is no scientific, legal, or moral reason for the jab. None. Does not stop transmission and is actively killing and injuring many thousands.

The Covid Occupation forces are desperate. Hence they roll out the Queen who tells the serfs to jab up. We are still the majority and if we say Flock Off to the drugs, there will never be experimental-drug IDs.

447803 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Liberty, 2, #412 of 1824 🔗

Anyone correct me if i’m wrong, but I believe mandatory vaccination is legal in U S of A. a legal precedent has already been set there.

The smallpox vaccine in the UK was mandatory, it carried a fine if you didn’t, but the legislation was repealed long ago. Then came along UNESCO & Nuremberg!

447822 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Liberty, 3, #413 of 1824 🔗

What is the evidence they plan on the passports pls?

447853 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Niborxof, 2, #414 of 1824 🔗

We need to look at the green pass scheme in Israel to see where this is going.

447877 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Niborxof, 2, #415 of 1824 🔗

Just wait until they actually have before potentially compromising your health. Don’t rush anything.

447837 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Liberty, 1, #416 of 1824 🔗

There is no such law in the U.K. which can be used to enforce vaccination,

Are you sure?

447859 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #417 of 1824 🔗

According to a lawyer I listened to there is no law in this country they can use to mandate vaccines.

447879 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Liberty, 2, #418 of 1824 🔗

I reckon this would let them get away with it:

5.—(1) Where Condition A or B (set out in regulation 4) is met in relation to a person (“P”), the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant may—

(a)(orally or in writing) impose on or in relation to P one or more screening requirements to inform an assessment, by the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant, of whether P presents or could present a risk of infecting or contaminating others;

(b)carry out such an assessment in relation to P; and

(c)following such an assessment, (orally or in writing) impose on or in relation to P any other restriction or requirement which the Secretary of State or, as the case may be, a registered public health consultant considers necessary for the purposes of removing or reducing the risk referred to in sub-paragraph (a), including a special restriction or requirement(1).

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/129/contents/made

Plus, they just make shit up to suit themselves right now.

447768 alw, replying to alw, 21, #419 of 1824 🔗

I enjoyed Freddy Sayers interview with Lord Sumption…insightful.
I do not criticise him for having the vaccine and he explains about his personal choice as it being the lesser of the evils. Where I disagree with him is the issue of anti-vaxxers. There are many of us who have had plenty of vaccinations but are refusing the Covid vaccine at the current time because not enough is known about it and it is still undergoing trials. However I wish to continue my life and as I travel extensively I might unfortunately against my better judgement have the vaccine. I cannot continue living my life as we have been doing this last year. I will still continue to stand up and fight the havoc and injustices that have been wreaked upon our nation.

447776 ▶▶ Julian, replying to alw, 15, #420 of 1824 🔗

I agree but think as a matter of tactics it’s best to wait as long as possible if you do intend to get the vaccine for the reasons stated, as the vaccine passports business may be an empty threat.

447807 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 9, #421 of 1824 🔗

I don’t think it’s empty.Cyprus just announced they would accept visitors with proof of 2 vaccinations.There may be a time when you could be forced to take the jab;if you are forced out of work and no benefits but that time is not now.It must be resisted at all costs nowAlso the more people that take the jab the easier it will be for the government to cement its tyranny.

447818 ▶▶▶▶ End of Tether, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #422 of 1824 🔗

Yes but they haven’t said that is the ONLY way to go to Cyprus. You can still take the tests to get in.

447826 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to End of Tether, 2, #423 of 1824 🔗

But the test is rubbish, should only be used in a clinical setting, and only if symptoms are present. What is the point? And who’s making the bucks?

447832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jinks, 3, #424 of 1824 🔗

not many people will want to take the tests

imagine spending all that money for a holiday, turning up at the airport and having a (FPR) chance of having to isolate for 2 weeks

447834 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ End of Tether, replying to Jinks, #425 of 1824 🔗

Agreed. But if you want to travel it us a better option than the “vaccine”

447821 ▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to jonathan Palmer, #426 of 1824 🔗

What is the proof? They are not providing any at the moment.

447827 ▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #427 of 1824 🔗

You will be able to take a Test and NOT even quarantine in future you’ll see

447838 ▶▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #428 of 1824 🔗

“Also the more people that take the jab the easier it will be for the government to cement its tyranny.”

Agreed – that’s why the “terror threat” is being kept so high. No need for any of it – look at Sweden!

447846 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #429 of 1824 🔗

Cyprus and other countries will bleat as much as possible until their economies start to be affected and politicians’ heads are on the block. Then magically it will be “allowed”

447868 ▶▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to mhcp, 7, #430 of 1824 🔗

This is a tough decision for me too. I am anti this particular vax because it is still in experimental stage, plus I rarely if ever use mainstream medicine anyway. I’m not even registered with a GP, I don’t need one. Yet I have property and family abroad, and for some months of the year I need to fly many times to and from the U.K. Greece have said we can enter without vaccination, but can I honestly cope with continuously having to undergo a horrid PCR test in the U.K. before flying out there, plus I suspect one on landing too, and then maybe even one to come back? If it was just a one off trip for a holiday, I would put up with it and not have the awful vaccine, but it isn’t. I am in a quandary and really don’t know what to do for the best. This whole thing has exhausted me over the last year, the fighting against lockdown, the muzzles, the restrictions . . . all of it. I am depressed to the point of hardly being able to do anything anymore, and this vaccination nonsense is yet another nightmare. I can understand Hitchens and Sumption.

447915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to CarrieAH, 5, #431 of 1824 🔗

Fake certificates will be my go to. Like heck will I conform. I’ll just break the law. Even the most secure prisons in the world can’t stop drugs from getting in.

447954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to CarrieAH, 1, #432 of 1824 🔗

Trouble is for the foreseeable future I think the tests will stay with vaccine or not.

447978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to wendy, 4, #433 of 1824 🔗

Greece have said no tests and no quarantine at their end if you have had both vaccinations, both jabs. But coming back into the U.K., who knows? This government are mad enough to try to enforce testing and quarantine anyway. The whole thing stinks.

447894 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to Julian, #434 of 1824 🔗

Agreed. That is what I am currently doing.

447795 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to alw, 14, #435 of 1824 🔗

Healthy people shouldn’t put poison in their bodies. Plenty is known about the vaccines they just aren’t letting anyone tell you.

447820 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, #436 of 1824 🔗

What a wicked web we weave, when we first learn to deceive. Evidently, self-deception is rife!

447804 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to alw, 17, #437 of 1824 🔗

There’s no rush – new rules on travel will emerge. They’re trying to bounce us into having the vaccine.

447819 ▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #438 of 1824 🔗

I agree. I think I would take it if I have to but for the time being I will put it off as long as I can and see how the situation pans out.

447823 ▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to muzzle, 1, #439 of 1824 🔗

I wouldn’t take it for anything BUT saving my wife or children’s lives if needed

447905 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to muzzle, 8, #440 of 1824 🔗

I will NEVER take it, not under ANY circumstances. if they want to kill me, they are going to have to do it openly and without my consent or compliance.

448048 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to BTLnewbie, 5, #441 of 1824 🔗

Yes, I suspect that if it turns out that the ‘vaccines’ don’t actually prevent transmission (as the manufacturers have been saying for some time!), governments will say that a test is required, regardless of whether you have been injected. I really don’t understand why people are using the need to travel as a rationalisation for getting injected, particularly when they have been sceptical thus far. It really doesn’t make any sense.

448202 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #442 of 1824 🔗

I agree. I think the this is one area that the law will take on and win. Evidence for the case will be a) the trials are ongoing/it isn’t licenced and b) there is no evidence it stops transmission either way.
Plus Nuremberg and and ECHR.
While it is still not compulsory, there can’t be a court case. People are being pressured but not yet forced.
They are hoping to get as many people vaccinated before this reaches the courts.

447890 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to alw, 3, #443 of 1824 🔗

and this is how they will ‘vaccinate’ [ie, lethally inject] the entire population. if the so-called ‘anti-vaxxers’ [ie the dissidents] are low enough in number, then rounding them all up and culling them like vermin will become a much more feasible solution

447940 ▶▶ wendy, replying to alw, 8, #444 of 1824 🔗

Yes it is a difficult one this! The vaccine has had mission creep like lots of other things in this covid madness. I am very pleased that people at risk have the choice to have a vaccination which might help them. But what has happened is a shift from vaccinations being offered to those who are vulnerable to severe illness to everyone must be vaccinated.

I am not at any risks and do not work in care of any kind and I am not ready to have the vaccine, in truth I doubt I will ever be ready. I don’t have the flu vaccine and don’t wish to have this one as I have no risks. Unfortunately the vaccine story has morphed into those who don’t want it are now putting other lives at risk.

I also feel angry that vaccinating the population is a way to get the government out of its pickle caused by their fear mongering. I will resist for as long as possible, I don’t work abroad and I won’t travel abroad whilst so many places have restrictions. If domestic vaccination passports arrive which prevent me from doing anything in a public indoor environment then I will need to reconsider but my gut instinct is to fight such measures with all I have got because I don’t believe it will stop with covid vaccination, next will be mandatory mass flu vaccination, should we all be given top up TB and MMR, and we don’t know what will be next.

448054 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to wendy, 4, #445 of 1824 🔗

We must resist this. I suspect that there is a lot more opposition than we are seeing in the media. Yes, you are right that if we cave in, it’s just the thin end of the wedge and many more impostions will come along.

447980 ▶▶ Janette, replying to alw, 5, #446 of 1824 🔗

I think I read somewhere you might not be able to get travel insurance if you have the vaccine because it is still in experimental stages so might be worth checking this out first.

447779 Janette, 15, #447 of 1824 🔗

Just watched a video on Brand New Tube a TV interview with Fauci and the presenter asked him if he is going to take a test and guess what he said “there is no need I have NO symptoms”!!!

447784 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #448 of 1824 🔗

This is something I posted months ago but seems appropriate to repost given the scale of public spending. The only thing I’d change is the offer to “build back better” now.

A group have just come along and destroyed my house.

It’s ok though. They’re going to help me rebuild it and make me pay for the privilege.

447788 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #449 of 1824 🔗

The other minor detail is that they plan to rebuild a prison not a house.

447830 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #450 of 1824 🔗

I was offered something up my bum, if I gave the guy a tenner, which would reduce my chances of catching schinzel type phocomelia by 3%. I got 2 lots with a £5 discount – how clever am I?

447796 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 4, #451 of 1824 🔗

Why no Health or Fat passports? ATL the Fatties are dying of the Rona apparently. These also clog up the NHS with cancer-heart-respiratory-diabetes and sundry other problems. The Fatties are Health-Deniers .

Why should Health-Deniers be allowed the same access as those of us who spend hundreds of hours and thousands of pounds each year, staying fit, with proper diets and sleep? Surely we are to be applauded and receive a higher ‘social score’.

In the interests of health and safety, the Fatties need to be tracked, traced, reduced, and denied food until their social scores improve . There should be consequences for actions resulting in being a Fat Blob.

447802 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 2, #452 of 1824 🔗

And The Body Positive movement be declared a threat to National Security!

447815 ▶▶ l835, replying to FerdIII, 6, #453 of 1824 🔗

If Doctors and other health care works are required to have the jab as a condition of employment, shouldn’t they also be required to have a reasonable BMI?

447825 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to l835, 8, #454 of 1824 🔗

or just lower their salary by 1% for each point above a healthy BMI

most nurses would have to pay to work

447856 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to FerdIII, 2, #455 of 1824 🔗

Why not just come out and say it straight, we should go and kill ourselves now to make you feel even more superior, you fucking arsehole,

447875 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Richy_m_99, 12, #456 of 1824 🔗

I assumed he was satirising the thinking of the health mafia, rather than presenting his own views. IMO, this line of thinking is a direct result of socialised health care, or of any system of state welfare. If you delegate responsibility for your own health and survival to a third party, you can hardly complain when that third party begins to think that they own you, and ultimately, even to question whether you are a possession worth having, and shouldn’t they perhaps declutter and consign you to the trash bin. Welfare is superficially appealing and decent, but if you scratch the surface a little, it clearly leads straight to hell.

447904 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to JaneHarry, #457 of 1824 🔗

As do all good intentions. Where’s Oscar Wilde when you need him? We could really do with someone like him now!

448497 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jinks, #458 of 1824 🔗

His life was destroyed in his own late Victorian time, they would find some way to do the same if he lived now.

447882 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #459 of 1824 🔗

Breath is death!

447870 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to FerdIII, 1, #460 of 1824 🔗

Judging by the comments, it seems a little early in the day for a reductio ad absurdum.

447800 norwegian, 33, #461 of 1824 🔗

Still haven’t worn a mask against the hyped virus. It won’t stop the madness but at least I’m not part of it.

447806 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #462 of 1824 🔗

<SARC>

This winter peak has fallen dramatically because of the vaccine

But wait – March 2020 peak came down quicker with only a lockdown

Maybe the lockdown works and the vaccine doesnt?

447808 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 10, #463 of 1824 🔗

But wait!

Sweden with no lockdown and no vaccine comes down even quicker for both peaks!!

Maybe its a load of bollox

447812 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to steve_w, 5, #464 of 1824 🔗

I made up my mind long ago, I just see squiggly lines in a box, now I think outside the box.

447816 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #465 of 1824 🔗

There is a lot to be said for stepping back and just saying that I don’t care what any numbers are – you can’t destroy a country for a sniffle (or even a plague). There is more to life than lines on a graph

447955 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steve_w, 4, #466 of 1824 🔗

Indeed. If only we had a government that would do that. In fact, if only we could get back to a situation where personal health is no concern of government, but only of the person concerned, his family and friends, and charities.

447995 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, #467 of 1824 🔗

Sweden were bang on average deaths September 19 to September 20 and are going to be below average September 20 to September 21.

447861 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to steve_w, 2, #468 of 1824 🔗

And as NickR told us the other day, look what they have done to the January baseline and standard deviations for 2021, by arbitrarily changing the reference period from 5 years to 3 to cut out a bad flu season.

447888 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Adamb, 1, #469 of 1824 🔗

yes, the SD bands should be calculated over 20 years at least. but deaths are now below both of them however calculated

447813 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 27, #470 of 1824 🔗

Good morning, missus, what a wonderful day! What a wonderful day for sticking an oddly shaped vegetable through your neighbour’s letter box and shouting “The covids are coming, the covids are coming!”

447817 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #471 of 1824 🔗

Tatifelarious!

447872 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #472 of 1824 🔗

Love it. Post of the day!

448441 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Sam Vimes, #473 of 1824 🔗

Brilliant!

447824 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 82, #474 of 1824 🔗

Two members of staff in my local M&S have never worn muzzles,so yesterday I went in purchased two bottles of good red wine and presented it to them, the manager had to be summoned to give permission company policy..He gave his permission and I told him the two members of staff were not only helpful but also it was nice to see a human smiling face and they were a credit to the company..I left him standing there speechless..(different manager to floral blackout stunt).

447844 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 15, #475 of 1824 🔗

Wonderful! 🙂

447886 ▶▶ alw, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 23, #476 of 1824 🔗

By chance got talking to 2 Covid enforcement officers from our local council the other day. Both ex policemen. Very different from your usual bunch of council officials. Seems that councils do not really understand the regulations and there is not a lot of common sense from Councils about what they can and cannot do. Both saw their roles as resolving so called issues/non issues by talking to people rather than fines….a breath of fresh air. Also said there is little understanding of how people live. One had also recently paid for the groceries for someone who was struggling to feed her family. This woman could not afford the total cost of the scant goods she had bought so was taking them off the conveyor belt. There are still some decent, kind people around.

447926 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to alw, 8, #477 of 1824 🔗

the weekly trash email i get from my local council shows that they dont understand anything and are just relaying government lies. Last year i tried to discuss the data they were feeding with the officer responsible and they just did not understand that it was wrong

447974 ▶▶ danny, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 9, #478 of 1824 🔗

What a great idea.

448014 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #479 of 1824 🔗

Terrific!

448060 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #480 of 1824 🔗

The best

447833 l835, replying to l835, 15, #481 of 1824 🔗

“Health unions FURIOUS at 1% pay offer” Go on strike then, I dare you, I double dare you, you self important mothers. See how many bloody rainbows in windows there are if you do!

448223 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to l835, #482 of 1824 🔗

Aren’t they still getting free pizza and coffee and 10% off this and that? Benefits in kind for everyone else are taxed.

447841 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 7, #483 of 1824 🔗

I see a lot of NHS staff complaining about a 1% pay rise.

I’d have thought they’d be happy that the government have been and still are spaffing hundreds of millions on saving the NHS.

The Pandemic Logic here is that “wasting” all that money was necessary to keep the NHS functioning…

447847 ▶▶ l835, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #484 of 1824 🔗

Yes, but they can’t take one of those brand new, still in its wrapping, unused ventilators home, they want ‘cash for cakes’

447878 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to l835, 1, #485 of 1824 🔗

as always, follow the money!

447866 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nobody2021, 2, #486 of 1824 🔗

The £mega millions are being filtered through friends.

447876 ▶▶ Aslangeo, replying to Nobody2021, 12, #487 of 1824 🔗

the NHS people live in a bubble feeding from the government trough – they have also been eulogised as representatives of a national religion that is beyond criticism – no wonder they have a sense of entitlement.

We are probably going to have an economic crisis like the great depression or 1990’s Russia – something outside the imaginations of many people in this country . These NHS people should be thankful that they have a livelihood and suck it up. Millions of people will lose their jobs and homes in the private sector who would be grateful for a 1% pay rise

447917 ▶▶ mj, replying to Nobody2021, 6, #488 of 1824 🔗

Imagine if last year the government had said

  • We can spend billions (which they did) on chasing the chimera of stopping covid or
  • We can be sensible about dealing with a different winter virus. and give the NHS a 5% pay rise (which would have been less cost)

What would the NHS employees have chosen?

447936 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #489 of 1824 🔗

They should be happy that they have a pay rise, as paltry as 1% sounds.

Many people have had their pay frozen or cut or heaven forbid have lost their jobs.

We’re already locked down to “protect” them. What more do they want? Mass hara-kiri?

447948 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Nobody2021, 3, #490 of 1824 🔗

hundreds of millions

To be fair, it’s not going to people who work for the NHS, it’s going mostly to mates of people in government who will give them cushy jobs when they leave government.

448081 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #491 of 1824 🔗

NHS staff should be sacked, no pay. The amount of cash GP’s and specialists get is obscene They have utter failed in their duty in every way. The NHS and the lackies who work for it have KILLED THOUSANDS with their bullshit.
It’s The National Hell Service.

447842 james007, replying to james007, 4, #492 of 1824 🔗

On obesity and covid: isn’t it more likely that covid deaths are correlated with the average life expectancy of a country?
The disease disproportionately effects older people. 50 years ago no one would have noticed a disease like Covid-19 as life was shorter.

447892 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to james007, 5, #493 of 1824 🔗

I’d say age is a bit of red herring. Yes, your immune system wanes with age but many people in the elderly bracket survive sars-cov-2 infection fine. Its general health terrain which again does wane with age, but being old is not a killer. Look after yourself and take supplements appropriately, you’ll increase your resilience to all sorts of illness. So it’s correlation but not causation in my book.

One thing that is rarely talked about is the connection to higher levels of medication in the West. We take tablets for all sorts and a antibiotics are dished out like sweets. Could there be something in that? The site Behin Enemy Lines talks about ACE2 and the encouragement of this in people on meds for things like heart disease. ACE2 plays a significant role in the progression of Covid-19.

447929 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #494 of 1824 🔗

Elderly dying in care homes and elsewhere have all had at least a decade’s worth of flu vaccines?

447942 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to bluemoon, 1, #495 of 1824 🔗

Elderly dying in care homes

You get that.

447939 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #496 of 1824 🔗

Good point. Our livestyle diseases are driven by hyperinsulinaemia but instead of acting to change our diet and reduce the problem, Big Pharma keeps us on multiple medications which treat the symptoms. You don’t cure a disease by subduing the symptoms.

447984 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #497 of 1824 🔗

Statins seem to be routine once you get to 65.

448229 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #498 of 1824 🔗

I watched this guy’s videos last May – extremely informative.

https://youtu.be/W1k1sUoLPlA

447914 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to james007, 3, #499 of 1824 🔗

There are going to be a ton of correlations with death rates. I would imagine that another key correlation will be the proportion of national politicians who either have PPE degrees, or have never had any other job.

447941 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to james007, #500 of 1824 🔗

That’s a good point JB. I think it’s also likely that they’re correlated with countries that simply have more important things to worry about.
Clean water/famine/genocide/flooding/war/maternal mortality/malaria/TB etc For these people a respiratory infection with a 0.02%(?) IFR that predominantly affects the elderly/vulnerable/fatties is hardly going to worry them when only the v fortunate live that long anyway.

Do they even have the Gov budgets to employ people to collect that many death stats?! Do all countries even have an ONS with a stupid dashboard?! Obviously not.

447843 james007, replying to james007, 7, #501 of 1824 🔗

On obesity and covid: isn’t it more likely that covid deaths are correlated with the average life expectancy of a country?
The disease disproportionately effects older people. 50 years ago no one would have noticed a disease like Covid-19 as life was shorter.

447857 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to james007, 2, #502 of 1824 🔗

yes. I think fatty countries are rich countries and rich countries have lots of old people

447864 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to james007, 12, #503 of 1824 🔗

WHY is everyone falling for this narrative management trap ?

Is covid causing excessive fatty deaths? It’s a fraud on the fraud! They’re playing us again. Manipulating consent for more control. NEXT it’ll be, don’t eat to save the NHS.

FUCK the NHS! Let’s all take back control of our own lives, if you want to turn sugar into human lard good luck its none of my business. If we let em they will take everything we enjoy away! No more wine for you, no more sirloin, no more horse riding, no more anything.

447884 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #504 of 1824 🔗

Indeed. As a horsewoman it never fails to amaze me that I know people who think nothing of galloping across country but won’t now enter a wind tunnel like barn If an unmasked person is at the other end of it!

448107 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #505 of 1824 🔗

I agree, I evented in the past which can be pretty dangerous at times as you say. Another sport I also do although not as dangerous it can become so quite easily. I still see so many people keeping up training quite happily but then won’t stand next to anyone, wear a mask and generally be terrified of everyday life.

447901 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #506 of 1824 🔗

This is so obviously the Road to Serfdom, as Heyak wrote. Politicians and experts thinking they can control everything. They have no understanding of what is really going on.
Centrally controlled and planned systems are oppressive

447880 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to james007, 7, #507 of 1824 🔗

Quite right but you can’t have a witch hunt against people for getting old in the way you can against fat people. Hating on the elderly is cruel but hating on fat people is seen as virtuous. Even by some on here.

447920 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #508 of 1824 🔗

I don’t think it’s hating, it’s just being honest. I totally respect the freedoms of other people to drink/smoke/be fat, as I would hope they’d respect my lifestyle choices. But just because anecdotally some heavy drinkers/smokers/fatties will live long healthy lives, doesn’t change the fact that’s unhealthy overall. We shouldn’t have to lie and hide under “Body Positivity” to speak the simple truth. It’s the same sort of wokeism that’s trying to force people to accept that men can magically become women.

447935 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 9, #509 of 1824 🔗

Living is unhealthy! Should we stop doing everything to “live” longer? I’d rather a short enriched life, then old age having dribble wiped from one end & my bum the other.

If we have to lets have a debate about opting out of the NHS controlling our lives. Let’s have zero NHS then all this crap will stop.

448019 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #510 of 1824 🔗

I agree! I’m totally against the NHS spending money on diets. I guess what I’m saying is that everyone should be totally free to do what they want to do (as long as it doesn’t harm others) and being fat is definitely one of those things 👍

I doubt there’s anyone who doesn’t already know how to lose weight, even if they’re lying to themselves that it’s “in their genes”. People want a quick fix don’t they – a magic pill or a gastric band. Rather than the slightly uncomfortable reality of calorie deficits and increased movement.

448389 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #511 of 1824 🔗

I’d also say it’s being honest – even though I find it harder than a lot to cope with the way most people are overweight these days and some by an awful lot. I’m a visual person myself and have spent years now not looking at most people from the eyes downwards and I don’t think anyone has clicked to that fact. I know that’s a politically incorrect thing to say these days….but I don’t see me turning pc in my latter years…

448636 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to ElizaP, #512 of 1824 🔗

I can respect honesty.

447969 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #513 of 1824 🔗

The difference is that a person cannot do anything about getting old whereas the overwhelming majority of people can do something about being overweight. And I am carrying an extra two stone to prove that point.

448013 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Will, 5, #514 of 1824 🔗

Whether someone can do something about it or wants to do something about it is their affair none of my concern.

447885 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to james007, 3, #515 of 1824 🔗

Fatties ask for health problems and even respiratory illnesses become a problem.

Yes, Scam-19 is just a hyped respiratory illness in the common cold category.

447845 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 14, #516 of 1824 🔗

Just heard a shocking issue with 2 members of my family. My great nephew (20 months) and niece (3.5) have chicken pox. Probably caught at play group.

Should the area where they live be sealed off, all members of the play group and their extended families be put into quarantine for the foreseeable future and stripped of their livelihood. Or should we just say carry on, nothing to see here.

I’m old enough to remember disease parties. Some kid would get so disease and the neighbourhoods children would go round to get it.

447850 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Smelly Melly, 12, #517 of 1824 🔗

we should have all gone and got it last spring. lots of people were talking about covid parties – should have been encouraged for the under 50s

447950 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, 2, #518 of 1824 🔗

That is what should have been happening in Freshers week.

448045 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, #519 of 1824 🔗

It did around here, only 6 students out of 20k tested positive prior to going home at Xmas, they had all been mingling in October and November spreading Covid about but safe to go home to granny by the end of term.

447858 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #520 of 1824 🔗

Indeed

L-lysine is highly recommended to reduce the blisters (including itchiness) and results in quicker recovery

447913 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #521 of 1824 🔗

Yes, remember pox parties? Both my toddlers got chicken pox just before Christmas. One other Mum friend wanted to bring her little girl round to catch it from them but her husband wouldnt allow her because of the restrictions.
I didnt get pox until I was 15 and I was very very ill for several weeks, so definitely better getting it sooner.
Porridge oats in a sock in the bath helps ease the itching of the pox.

447916 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #522 of 1824 🔗

Let’s hear it for herd immunity!!!

447922 ▶▶ John, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #523 of 1824 🔗

Contact with older people, pregnant women and neonates should be minimised that is the only “quarantine” advice for chicken pox.

447964 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to John, 1, #524 of 1824 🔗

Immuno suppressed and those on steroids need to be careful around chicken pox as well.

448098 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Smelly Melly, #525 of 1824 🔗

Chicken pox party sounds in order.

447863 Aslangeo, replying to Aslangeo, 5, #526 of 1824 🔗

Another depressing Poll from Yougov – https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/survey-results/daily/2021/03/02/9355e/1?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=daily_questions&utm_campaign=question_1

How can anybody sane enjoy any part of lockdown? – do these people not miss normality, their friends, families, socialising, culture, shopping, sport?

Words fail me

But in the details – remainers are slightly more pro lockdown then leavers and women a bit more pro lockdown then men as are Londoners, Scots are less pro lockdown. Middle class people working from home are less surprisingly more pro lockdown than working class people. Labour and LIB Dem were more pro lockdown than conservatives

– and most incredibly younger people who have been the biggest victims of lockdown are more pro lockdown then older people who were the only group with a majority saying that they will not miss anything about the lockdown (despite being the least impacted by it in social and economic terms) – why ???

447891 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Aslangeo, 9, #527 of 1824 🔗

I’m deeply suspicious of yougov. That chart is possibly the data for one of the inane questions they drop into the middle of a survey, such as “which way do you face in the shower” – renamed to evade forensic statistical fraud detection techniques.

447908 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to TheBluePill, 8, #528 of 1824 🔗

as has been mentioned on here before. Yougov’s purpose is not to produce realistic surveys. It is to influence based on rigged survey populations and rigged questions to provide the answers they want.

447933 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mj, 5, #529 of 1824 🔗

I have a YouGov account, mainly so I can vote “sceptic” where possible

There have been loads of surveys recently around veganism, climate change, corporate social responsibility, making buying decisions based on the brand’s credentials in the above departments – there’s always a “disagree” option, which I duly select, but it’s clear they are pushing a mindset and people will feel like they should give the “right” answers

447956 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mj, 5, #530 of 1824 🔗

Before he surrendered Hitchens always maintained that polls were a device for influencing public opinion not measuring it.
He then put a load of polls on his twitter to justify his surrender.

448097 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #531 of 1824 🔗

Created by the vaccine minister is all you need to know.

448007 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Aslangeo, 1, #532 of 1824 🔗

Does Yougov publish its ‘poll results’ on oath?

Do they publish the poll methodology at all?

448041 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Aslangeo, #533 of 1824 🔗

I don’t see any of this IRL
Just like Twitter, Yougov is not real life

447869 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #534 of 1824 🔗

Excellent article in the roundup on vaccination and the costs. Given existing prevelance of Covid, to prevent one death would cost $1million. For to be sure you’d get to that person, you’d need a huge number of people in the chain of vaccination.

Which begs the obvious question, why vaccinate in Spring? When sars-cov-2 is clearly on a natural wane?

Yet more indication that this is driven by a less than scientific agenda. This also doesn’t even consider the impact the use of Ivermectin or HCQ could have on those who experience the early symptoms of Covid-19. That would further push out the risk of hospitalisations and death. They also have the cost-benefit advantage of only being administered to the sick, rather than the entire population.

Add in vitamin D provision, again very cheap, and it seems incredibly wasteful. And to think we’ll be doing it every single year, possibly multiple times a year.

A full economic appraisal of such a program should be carried out. It won’t, further signs of agendas at play for me.

https://mises.org/wire/what-weve-learned-israels-covid-vaccine-program

447889 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #535 of 1824 🔗
447898 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #536 of 1824 🔗

Yeah it’s bad timing in the spring, but I imagine come the autumn people will get the other vaccine Pfizer/Astra Zeneca to what they had earlier in the year, or they’ll have a new one for whatever variants are trending. Repeat ad infinitum until there’s something else in the news.

447873 peyrole, 6, #537 of 1824 🔗

Obesity
Put the dots in the second graph of the ATL article on the map in the HCQ article yesterday and you have your answer.

447887 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 36, #538 of 1824 🔗

From a family member who works in NHS HR – the second dose of the vaccine (Pfizer) is making staff sick, to the point where they’ve been told to stagger when they get it in each department so they’re not all off at once 😣
Yet some of the big bosses are still trying to work out how they can make it compulsory, despite having been advised that’s illegal.

447899 ▶▶ mj, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 5, #539 of 1824 🔗

Is “staggering” a known side effect of the vaccine. What if they collapse immediately? does that count ? Or does staggering stop them from falling over? Maybe it should be like giving blood and they sit down with a cup of tea and a biscuit to prevent staggering . 🙂

448005 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to mj, 7, #540 of 1824 🔗

Haha! don’t get me started with the Blood service – apparently all the protocols they already had in place to ensure that donors were fit and healthy and cared for aren’t enough and you must cover your face 😡 I’m tempted to never return after 20 years of donating, although it seems petty.

I went on a really hot day once and there was literally four blokes fainting at once – how are they supposed to tell someone is feeling ill if you’ve been muzzled?!

448015 ▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 8, #541 of 1824 🔗

After a second call from them late last year begging me to return I told them not to contact me again. I will no longer freely give of my time and essential fluids if they force me to mask up. Judging by the tone of the 2 calls I had it is impacting their blood stocks. Good.

448039 ▶▶▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to WasSteph, 5, #542 of 1824 🔗

Same. I had a lengthy debate with the Head of Donor Services and they’ve well and truly fallen down the asymptomatic rabbit hole.

I just think it’s laughable since until now they’ve already had a really complex system of screening our blood for all kinds of nasties inc. syphilis, Hepatitis B/C/E, HIV, Human T-lymphotropic virus, malaria, T-cruzi, West Nile Virus, Cytomegalovirus, plus you have to be feeling fit and healthy and not be anaemic…

But the answer to Covid is a filthy face rag – in an environment that you’d hope is ultra clean as I really wouldn’t want any of those bacteria on my broken skin! They’re such a joke.

447921 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 6, #543 of 1824 🔗

Thanks for the update. Important that this sort of information is shared.

447895 John, replying to John, 10, #544 of 1824 🔗

If I remember correctly one of the effects of obesity is to create a state of inflammation in the body. This is not dissimilar to a elderly people and maybe other disease processes such as diabetes.
This is from ‘ The Beautiful Cure: The New Science of Human Health by Daniel M Davis
“At the same time, signs of an active immune response – cytokines, clotting factors and other inflammatory molecules – are often found at higher levels in the blood of elderly people, even when there are no overt signs of infection. This phenomenon is sometimes called ‘inflamm-ageing’. There are many reasons why a low level of background inflammation might persist in elderly people, such as there being an accumulation of damaged or senescent cells,  but the effect is that the system is less able to discriminate between germs and the body’s own cells and tissues, and is particularly weak at detecting germs that have never been encountered before. In broad-brush terms, it is easier for an immune reaction to be triggered in elderly people but, by the same token, the system is less stringent in responding appropriately. Crucially, this means that older people have more of their immune cells devoted to battling previously encountered infections, leaving fewer immune cells available for the fight against new infections.”
If the hypothesis about pre existing inflammation in obese people is correct then this could be an explanation as to why they are susceptible to infections.

447902 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to John, 4, #545 of 1824 🔗

Also, there is an immense pressure on an obese persons heart, making it far more fragile and easily attacked by any virus.

448026 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #546 of 1824 🔗

Agreed – we’ve all got a few excess pounds but the size of some people must put a strain on every organ
Naturally the pig dictator has closed all the gyms and swimming pools
utter c**ts

448138 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ganjan21, 1, #547 of 1824 🔗

There is also a (in my view misguided) ‘fashionable’ supposedly beneficial practice of ‘proning’ (laying on their fronts) invasively ventilated patients. It may well be beneficial for people of normal weight but I have long thought that for anyone carrying a bit of extra weight surely it must place more pressure on their lungs and other organs. As with so many trendy medical practices in years gone by, I foresee in years to come a change of approach being adopted because it was recognised that proning wasn’t in the patient’s best interests.

448146 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Dodderydude, #548 of 1824 🔗

Puts me in mind of veterinary documentaries where large animals are laying on the ground and the vets always comment that it is essential to stand them up or at least hasten the veterinary procedure as the grounded horizontal position places excessive pressure on the organs.

448543 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #549 of 1824 🔗

I wondered about this as well with regards to all patients.

447900 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 6, #550 of 1824 🔗
448875 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Mic67, #551 of 1824 🔗

Very interesting. Thank you,

447906 alw, 7, #552 of 1824 🔗

“A professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine is warning politicians, teachers unions, and other Americans that keeping schools closed is causing more harm to children than COVID-19.
A new study, Dr. Marty Makary explained to Fox News’s Tucker Carlson on Tuesday evening, suggests a 91 percent increase in self-harm in children due to lockdowns. In areas with strict government-mandated lockdowns and prolonged school closures, he explained, saw a 300 percent increase in kids seeking medical help after engaging in forms of self-harm. Makary said research also shows a 63 percent increase in overdoses and a large spike in emergency room visits due to “mental illness complaints.”

https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/03/john-hopkins-medical-expert-all-airports-would-be-shut-down-if-they-had-to-follow-joe-bidens-covid-rules-for-schools/

447907 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 15, #553 of 1824 🔗

Morning. What an utterly VILE article by an utterly VILE woman, Judith Woods.

Here is a poll to mess up good buddies, for what its worth….If you clear your cookie cache you can vote more than once.

Nobody ever really reads this shitty newspaper or their moronic propaganda so it should be easy to tip the balance to “no I won’t one” (jab) pretty easily.

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/poll/poll/33896/poll-have-you-had-been-invited-for-a-covid-vaccination-jab.html

448032 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 2, #554 of 1824 🔗

‘I won’t have one (vaccine)’ now up to 25% from just 1% when I voted in the early hours on yesterday’s comments.

448095 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 1, #555 of 1824 🔗

It’s working! Actually really only about a couple of hundred will have voted “in the right way” and these will be the usual local arse book wankers.

448134 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #556 of 1824 🔗

28% now…v 38% no I have not been offered it and 34% yes I have been offered it. I have spammed this around a few other places too.

Comments can also be left if you sign in with ArseBook. Might be worth a leaving a few. They will be removed….Screen shot them.

447912 alw, replying to alw, 8, #557 of 1824 🔗

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (TBIJ) is but one of many, many examples of groups that appear to serve as front groups for a particular agenda. 1 You can be solidly assured that when an organization takes over a million dollars from Bill Gates their ability to produce high-quality investigative journalism is impaired and financially influenced..”

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/03/05/web-elite-extremists-behind-censorship-of-mercola.aspx?ui=249949329df581682e05c54e7c49dd9c39e8ef605b13cfbfe5e47ee8868a483c&sd=20210130&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210305&mid=DM810985&rid=1098990833

447937 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to alw, 5, #558 of 1824 🔗

Great article. Yes Bill Gates and his so-called non profit organisations have their tentacles in almost all media / news institutions

This video is a must watch to understand how Bill Gates are involved and bankrolls everything to take away your rights and liberties – control the whole world

WHO insiders blow the whistle on Total Immunity of Bill Gates through GAVI – World Vaccine Alliance
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zbFPKPueHlE0/

448249 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 1, #559 of 1824 🔗

According to the latest leaked documents, Reuters and BBC alongside Bellingcat and intel contractors took part in the UK FCO-funded program for bringing “attitudinal change” in Russia and weakening its influence – a covert regime change to topple Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://greatgameindia.com/bbc-regime-change-russia/

447923 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 39, #560 of 1824 🔗

Another day, another “Jesus wept” moment:

Meeting yesterday. Towards the end when all the important stuff had been discussed, there was social chit chat. Predictably people were whooping about 21 June as the day of “freedom.” Obviously not aware that furlough had been extended to September and we all know what that means.

One of my colleagues boasted that she won’t hug anyone unless she’s had the vaccine. FGS, she’s in her mid 20s-early 30s ergo in the low risk category. What will she do then when the government does a U turn and stops the vaccination programme? Or if she develops side effects?

At this rate, I think an asteriod will be a welcome relief from all this insanity.

447946 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #561 of 1824 🔗

Its ironic that it’s that generation that are into slobbering, man hugs, etc, it used to be a handshake was enough or a quick peck on the cheek.

447951 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 7, #562 of 1824 🔗

I’m not very tactile and find hugging people I don’t know or I’m not really close to rather strange. But yeah its funny that the generation that are into hugs have easily bought into the BS and propaganda pumped everyday.

447966 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #563 of 1824 🔗

Me neither, too ‘continental’ lol or even Blairite touch feely, didnt Cameron tell us to ‘Hug a Hoodie’

447997 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 6, #564 of 1824 🔗

Would rather shake hands. Is it me or when people do an elbow bump they actually move closer thereby not anti-social distancing?

448003 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #565 of 1824 🔗

Elbow bumps are like masks, just don’t do it, both look ridiculous

448056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DanClarke, 2, #566 of 1824 🔗

I have refused to do it. If you don’t want a handshake then fine.

448092 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to DanClarke, 9, #567 of 1824 🔗

However should us LS not be embracing (no pun intended) hugging and kisses on cheeks as our way of virtue signalling?

When we were last allowed to eat in a coffee shop, met a friend, neither of us had masks on, we arrived in the coffee shop at different times, I was sitting down at the table when she arrived. We hugged as we would normally do. The look on the other peoples faces eating was priceless!

448363 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #568 of 1824 🔗

LOL – and I’ve had “Looks” myself on sharing hugs in the High Street in front of the Masked Ones. Though, to counterbalance, there’s been a few compliments when I joined hands with several people (a couple of them strangers to me) and all had a dance in the High Street at one point when some music was playing. LOL at the huggy generation – and I think it’s more to do with the type of people one knows and I’m in my 60’s – but that’s the sort of people I know (ie we expect to share hugs).

448271 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, #569 of 1824 🔗

Totally agree Dan, it’s not what real British people do.

447965 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #570 of 1824 🔗

Heard from two mates recently, via text. One has booked a UK holiday for June, the other has re-booked his wedding for September. Said to both of them, “Good luck, but they are not going to let us out of this, the lying bastards”. Misses thinks I’m a doomsayer, I say I’m just facing facts – nobody happier than me if I’m wrong.

Anyway, let’s all enjoy the ‘promise’ of the road map this weekend, cos it all falls to shit about 9.20 am on Monday, when the schools close again.

447991 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #571 of 1824 🔗

Agree. I remember my line manager looking shocked at my strong language when I aksed her “and you believe those lying bastards and cretins?”

I’ve decided early on to let my believer friends and colleagues learn the hard way. Trouble is, it still hasn’t sunk into their skulls they still constantly bleat about “selfish people not following the rules.”

449069 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #572 of 1824 🔗

I’m the Sam Vimes in our house! It doesn’t go down well but someone has got to say – how many disappointments will it take before they stop believing?

447986 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #573 of 1824 🔗

I’m not into this kiss/hug thing either. Seinfeld once did an episode where he pushed back against this and risked social alienation

447996 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #574 of 1824 🔗

I remember that episode. Shows how all this hug marlarkey is also tied to enforcing social conformity.

448368 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #575 of 1824 🔗

LOL Bart – you’re still welcome round here imo – but I’ll remember you’re not a hugger (though I am….).

448112 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #576 of 1824 🔗

I often play the quiet card and say nothing. It’s just not the place for sceptics, but obviously it’s a place for branch covidians to fire off the latest government lines.

It’s going to be so obvious on months to come that I am dead against having a vaccine for myself. Unless you are whooping about your jab, you’ll be quite obviously an anti vaxxer

448154 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #577 of 1824 🔗

I’m the same as well. I must be the only out and out sceptic in my work and of course in my workplace they have to be seen to be following government advice.

I’m hoping and praying that the more reports of side effects are coming out that people will think twice. We’re already seeing that in the Daily Mail comments and in other platforms like Twitter. But they’re still enough Branch Covidians who will want the vaccine and ignore the warnings that are coming out.

448193 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #578 of 1824 🔗

“21 June as the day of “freedom.””

I’ll just mention that that date is a high satanic holiday.

448372 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to this is my username, 1, #579 of 1824 🔗

…errrrm….and it’s summer solstice for a noticeable number of people I know. Thinks – I should have the car I’m planning on getting by then – and so I’ll probably be joining the gatherings (official or otherwise).

447925 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #580 of 1824 🔗

Someone posted earlier about the cost of the “vaccines”

We know this is political, but when arguing with zero-covid or other pro-lockdown zealots, remember they have no claim to the moral high ground

Imagine covid was already an established part of the landscape, like flu, and you decided as a society that because you were jolly nice people you wanted to spend more on healthcare – say a few hundred billion pounds

If your aim was to get the most QALYS for each pound you spent, would you spend it in the way it has been spent in the last year? Hard to see that you would.

447967 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 3, #581 of 1824 🔗

Don’t argue with em, just ask what makes them think it’s safe.

447932 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 4, #582 of 1824 🔗

Have they blamed obesity on other excess mortality years? When cash goes and they know what we buy, they can control what we eat, sorry you had biscuits last month, we have removed them from your shopping delivery.

447938 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to DanClarke, 4, #583 of 1824 🔗

Don’t hug your Granny, you murderous cretin. But here, have a kebab, it’s safer.

447934 Ganjan21, 17, #584 of 1824 🔗

Apologies, I can’t remember who originally posted it here, but THANK YOU to whoever posted about the Awakened Travel group on FB. Already know of at least half a dozen people on there within a few miles where I live.
Nice to see thousands of members all in in a similar mindset.
Whether its Ireland of the U.K, I hope we get to have some sort of a normal holiday at some point in one of these places.

447943 Tiberius, replying to Tiberius, 5, #585 of 1824 🔗

I’m of the same thinking as Peter Hitchens on vaccines. I had mine on Wednesday.

Shat it out this morning. Monster-like.

If you have constipation, go and get an AstraZeneca. It’ll lighten your load.

448103 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tiberius, 5, #586 of 1824 🔗

Same thing happened to my Aunty but she is 84 and it put her into hospital, rectal bleeding, antibiotics, endoscopy, and that was 4 weeks ago, she still has the shits and feels sick and exhausted. Of course it might not be the jab…

449071 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Tiberius, #587 of 1824 🔗

Hefty detoxing reaction – your body is doing just great!

447944 mj, 1, #588 of 1824 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2lj2bWqhM
carlvernon video … made me laugh .. Aren’t our police wonderful

447947 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 8, #589 of 1824 🔗

So when do the obesity lockdowns come into force? These people running the country by PH diktat are barking mad.

447988 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #590 of 1824 🔗

That goes under ‘Sustainable Planet’ which is next (consumption of food)

448011 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #591 of 1824 🔗

When the breadlines begin – the tubbies end

447949 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 14, #592 of 1824 🔗

How can we possibly know what the ‘covid death toll ‘ is since there has been no objective counting mechanism employed?

If we don’t know what the death toll is, then how do we know that it is high?

If we don’t know that it is high, then we don’t need to spend time discussing the reasons.

448002 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to rockoman, 4, #593 of 1824 🔗

You can’t say these things. Your logic is offensive.

Go out and beat yourself with an ash branch and pray that Lord Covid does not come a spite your household by infecting you with no symptoms.

447961 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 10, #594 of 1824 🔗

If the NHS is so god-damn good & worthy of saving why has anyone died at all?

448010 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #595 of 1824 🔗

Has anyone in the legacy media brought up the obesity rate within the NHS?
Seem awfully quit about it

448079 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #596 of 1824 🔗

If it is so good then why has the concept of it not been rolled out in other countries? It is supposedly world beating we are always told.

448421 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Cumbriacracked, #597 of 1824 🔗

Yeah, world-beaters at granny-killing.

447982 DanClarke, 11, #598 of 1824 🔗

Its seems that countries who’ve had an easy time of this, that things become tricky the nearer they get to vaccine roll out time, ie Isle of Man, New Zealand. Suddenly they have the disruptive lockdowns that make people feel pro vaccine to ‘get back to normal’

447989 Victoria, 12, #599 of 1824 🔗

WHO insider exposes GAVI, Bill Gates for perpetrating coronavirus plandemic

In a nutshell, WHO member states, of which there 193, are bound by whatever rules and restrictions the WHO decides to impose in the name of “public health.” With the Chinese virus, the WHO pronounced all sorts of new requirements that the vast majority went along with, except for two: Iran and the United States under President Donald Trump.

Behind the scenes, Gates and his cohorts, along with GAVI, were steering the WuFlu ship with the WHO appearing to make all the decisions. And thanks to the way the WHO operates, the plandemic was easy to implement.

“It is embedded in the constitution of the WHO,” says Dr. Stückelberger about the ease with which the WHO is able to decree international ‘health regulations.’ “So, they don’t need to adopt it. It is immediately approved and it’s an obligation, so it is legally binding.”

Bill Gates petitioned to become his own “member state” at the WHO

Gates holds an incredible amount of sway over decisions made at the WHO, which impact most countries around the world. He has paid the agency so much money over the years that he now thinks he has the right to vote as if he was his own country.

Dr. Stückelberger explains that Gates holds immunity in Switzerland where such deals are made, as does GAVI, and has repeatedly tried to become his own “member state” in the eyes of the WHO – though it is unclear if he was ever actually voted in as such.

Even so, Gates still pulls a lot of strings at the WHO. He negotiates and signs contracts on behalf of different countries, acting as the unelected middle man in deciding which vaccines or pharmaceuticals will be purchased by them.

As you may recall, Gates planned for the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) with his Event 201 exercise back in the fall of 2019. This exercise involved strategizing for a major pandemic that just so happened to materialize several months later.

Dr. Stückelberger witnessed firsthand how the WHO has been holding the same types of exercises for years, which is what first tipped her off to something fishy. She also notes that in recent years, the WHO has changed all sorts of definitions in its health guidelines to allow for any form of influenza or even the common cold to potentially be declared a “pandemic.”

Even the word “immunity,” she says, which we likewise noted , has been redefined by the WHO to only include vaccine-related “immunity” as opposed to natural immunity.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-04-who-insider-exposes-gavi-gates-perpetrating-plandemic.html

Watch video here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/zbFPKPueHlE0/

447993 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 8, #600 of 1824 🔗

It seems like ‘obesity’ is the latest hare which has been set to run. We are all now supposed to go off chasing it.

447998 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to rockoman, 11, #601 of 1824 🔗

Luckily it can’t run very fast! LOL!

448012 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to rockoman, 3, #602 of 1824 🔗

It helps that they can use the PM to promote it

447994 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 9, #603 of 1824 🔗

Bolsonaro bringing the bantz today

The legacy media are apoplectic

which means it’s the truth

https://www.newzit.com/?q=bolsonaro

448170 ▶▶ Sampa, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #604 of 1824 🔗

He also said that for the press HE is the virus 🙂

448004 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #605 of 1824 🔗

Doctor Mocks Anti-Vaxxers While Getting Experimental COVID Jab – Dies Days Later

Just days after getting injected with a Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) vaccine, Dr. Witold Rogiewicz, a Polish physician who openly mocked vaccine skeptics, died from the jab .

The official story is that Dr. Rogiewicz died of “heart failure,” but it is painfully obvious that he suffered the most serious adverse event of all associated with the vaccine: death .

While he was getting injected, a masked Dr. Rogiewicz arrogantly told the camera:

“Vaccinate yourself to protect yourself, your loved ones, friends and also patients.”

He went on to make fun of “anti-vaxxers” and “anti-coviders” who take issue with the fact that Chinese virus vaccines have never been long-term safety tested, nor are their manufacturers liable in the event of injury or death.

“And to mention quickly, I have info for anti-vaxxers and anti-coviders,” he stated in Polish. “If you want to contact Bill Gates, you can do this through me. I can also provide for you from my organism the 5G network. I am sorry I hadn’t spoke for a bit but I was just getting autism.”

Dr. Rogiewicz thought he was being funny with these cringeworthy comments, but little did he know that the joke would be ultimately on him. Within just a few short days, Bill Gates’ experimental gene therapy injection ended Dr. Rogiewicz’s life.

“At night, our Friend and Collaborator, Dr. Witold Rogiewicz, suddenly passed away,” reads a post from the VIP Clinic where this pro-vaxxer worked.

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/doctor-mocks-anti-vaxxers-while-getting-experimental-covid-jab-dies-days-later-video/

448030 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Victoria, 5, #606 of 1824 🔗

Just a “coincidence”

448038 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mayo, 5, #607 of 1824 🔗

I stepped onto a railway line yesterday at 1:39 and was hit by the Euston express at 1:40.Just a coincidence.

448084 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bungle, 2, #608 of 1824 🔗

Of course – a mere ‘temporal association’. Now, if you’d had a positive test 27 days earlier, that would be different…

448106 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 1, #609 of 1824 🔗

hahaha

448135 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Victoria, #610 of 1824 🔗

“Thought he was being funny”. He’s given me a good giggle.

448203 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Victoria, #611 of 1824 🔗

So there is a God

448424 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Victoria, #612 of 1824 🔗

Collaborator indeed.

448008 Cheezilla, 9, #613 of 1824 🔗

This is a really good interview (30 mins). Jason Shurka interviews a leading paediatrician who explains very clearly the nature of viruses, how they operate and how covid19 doesn’t present with normal viral symptoms.

https://www.jasonshurka.com/censored?wix-vod-comp-id=comp-kl0yc871&wix-vod-video-id=275c9279417c4599a41a1b1c5b16dd04

Bombshell questions about HCQ and Ivermectin.

Fauci 2017 “There will be a surprise outbreak during the Trump administration…” WTF??

448017 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 7, #614 of 1824 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted:

New Lancet Article Suggests 50-75% of “Positive” PCR Tests Are Not Infectious People
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2021/03/03/new-lancet-article-suggests-50-75-of-positive-pcr-tests-are-not-infectious-people/

The Lancet article is here:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00425-6/fulltext

448023 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 5, #615 of 1824 🔗

I’d say it’s way more than that. The Lancet don’t consider the quality of the pipelines (as in the whole process). They just look at results.

There is no international standardisation between laboratories and assays, leaving Ct calibration with viral load poorly reported and easy to misunderstand.”

You can have an amazingly precise test give dodgy results if handling of samples is poor.

You need to characterise, calibrate and maintain processes to ensure quality. This has been Mike Yeadon’s point for many months.

448035 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, 2, #616 of 1824 🔗

They also seem to think that a mere 6 samples is enough from which to extrapolate something that affects the entire population with its innumerable variables.

448031 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basileus, 3, #617 of 1824 🔗

Early findings, widely reported, 3 from a study by Ferguson and colleagues, suggested that LFT had only 3% sensitivity for detecting SARS-CoV-2 among PCR-positive students at Birmingham University.

If Ferguson et al claim it’s no good, I’d assume it’s the absolute opposite.

448044 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #618 of 1824 🔗

That’s because they assumed a certain rate amongst the students based on models and when the LFT showed much less positives they concluded that it was the test’s fault.

Typical theorist logic

448036 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basileus, 2, #619 of 1824 🔗

That ties in with SAGE’s admission that a CT of over 25 will pick up non-infectious people and the ONS’ spreadsheet that showed 75% of tests done since the summer have been at 27 or above.

448075 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Basileus, #620 of 1824 🔗

The percentage seems way too low.

448025 CivilianNotCovidian, 10, #621 of 1824 🔗

You don’t even have to check the edition’s editor when you reach the bottom of an excellent selection of articles and editorial comment. Thank you, Will, for continuing to draw to our attention these despicable crimes, the normalisation of child abuse that we MUST stamp out, urgently, and the exposure of ominous forewarnings of what is happening in Israel. The Israeli people, like the Chinese people, and the Syrian people, and all the people around the globe, need our help. We must unite to protect the people before we even begin to protect the planet or the remnants of an NHS corrupted and in the clutches of a hostile takeover by big pharma. THIS IS A GLOBAL EMERGENCY!

448027 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #622 of 1824 🔗

“Pfizer has been accused of “bullying” Latin American governments in Covid vaccine negotiations and has asked some countries to put up sovereign assets, such as embassy buildings and military bases, as a guarantee against the cost of any future legal cases.”

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2021-02-23/held-to-ransom-pfizer-demands-governments-gamble-with-state-assets-to-secure-vaccine-deal

448034 ▶▶ jb12, replying to rockoman, 5, #623 of 1824 🔗

They are like the mafia. Absolute criminals.

448028 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 7, #624 of 1824 🔗

Anyone read the government’s weasel words about this petition ”Do not roll out covid passports”? (Perhaps the minions who were tasked to write it read it as ”rule out”.) What happened to ”we have no plans to……”? Lying swine.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957

448042 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Banjones, 7, #625 of 1824 🔗

“There are complex ethical issues – and we can’t discriminate against people who, for whatever reason, haven’t had a vaccine”.

Seems fairly unequivocal to me.

448073 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Tom Blackburn, #626 of 1824 🔗

However no vaccine passport still allows for negative test certificates to be used.

448050 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Banjones, 3, #627 of 1824 🔗

I agree. It’s clear that the response doesn’t address in any detail the points raised by the petition. All that the Government has done is churn out the standard pro-forma response that they would offer to anyone who mentions ‘vaccine passports’ in correspondence, whether for or against. As a former HQ senior civil servant I can see all the hallmarks!

But It strikes me that this lazy approach may not work in their favour as it is a weak response which would hopefully be shredded, if that is all they depend on, when the issue is debated on 15 March.

448029 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 1, #628 of 1824 🔗

What are people’s opinions about Time for Recovery? https://timeforrecovery.org
They look promising – are they worth a donation?

448040 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Melangell, 3, #629 of 1824 🔗

I posted an update from them earlier

They seem to be in it for the long haul, which is promising

They are sort of pro-“vaccine” which may put you off but other than that their goals – to discredit lockdowns – are the right ones so yes I think at present we need all the allies we can get

448071 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Julian, #630 of 1824 🔗

Thanks – but anyone know who they are? Their website doesn’t say….

448096 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Melangell, 1, #631 of 1824 🔗

I believe they’ve got a variety of people working with them. My understanding is that Emma Kenny is one, who has been working from the ground up with them.

448383 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #632 of 1824 🔗

Thank you, SH!

448037 JHUNTZ, replying to JHUNTZ, #633 of 1824 🔗

Anyone know any website designers? I have an idea due to this pandemic that I am thinking of going down the route of.

448057 ▶▶ John001, replying to JHUNTZ, #634 of 1824 🔗

The chap who created Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s blog?

The reseller who supplies my broadband, a two-person SME, can do WordPress websites.

448049 KevinMillican, replying to KevinMillican, 2, #635 of 1824 🔗

The correlation of obesity with covid-19 mortality might be stronger if the criteria was a BMI of 30 rather than just overweight (>25). Most people in developed countries are > 25 BMI

448063 ▶▶ John, replying to KevinMillican, #636 of 1824 🔗

Also for certain ethnicities a BMI of >23 is overweight.

448074 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to John, 2, #637 of 1824 🔗

The Woke “Race is a social construct”

Also the Woke ” BAMES aren’t taking up the vaccine omg “

448069 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to KevinMillican, 1, #638 of 1824 🔗

BMI is not always a great measure though, there are many sportsman who have obese level BMI’s but are healthy.

448051 RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #639 of 1824 🔗

Britain’s dire COVID-19 death rate is partly the result of obesity”

What the f. is the star billing of this item about? We already knew that obesity is a factor.

But like other factors – it’s one of many, each one of which will link to other correlates.

… and then the bleedin’ obvious : we don’t know what death rates from Covid really are.

448089 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #640 of 1824 🔗

The star billing, as I read it, wasn’t about the supposed link, but rather about the seeming misrepresentation by the Times and other establishment outlets.

With obesity likely to be the next campaign for gross state interference in our lives (they’ve been trying to for years, but the coronapanic gives them the power to do all kinds of things they’d never have gotten away with before), this certainly bears watching.

Ideally (imo, of course) we would have a society in which personal health is no concern of government at all, but only of individuals, their friends and families, and charities. But there seems no route to that society at the moment.

448091 ▶▶ redbirdpete, replying to RickH, 1, #641 of 1824 🔗

Deflection strategy. Headline should have been:

“Britain’s dire COVID-19 death rate is largely the result of establishment cronyism”

448053 Mark, replying to Mark, 26, #642 of 1824 🔗

Excellent update above the line today, but below the line seems to be in a degree of turmoil about the sudden increase in censorship.

I’m a free speech extremist (because extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice), with a decades long experience of online discussion as participant, mod and (non-tech) admin, so I tend to be on a hair trigger for censorship. There have inevitably, therefore, been false positives in the past for me here, but in this case we have now had it confirmed that the increase in censorship is real. Steve Martindale posted the following email from the site management earlier today:

Thanks Steve. We’ll communicate more on this soon. We’ve stepped up moderation of comments in the past few days after becoming concerned about a number being off-topic and abusive.

Will

I’ve said I’m a free speech extremist, but I recognise the right of site owners to impose whatever censorship regime they want (I’ll just reduce involvement in sites the more censored they get). However I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for clarity, openness and honesty about the rules and their enforcement.

Those who value the discussion below the line should be concerned about the situation described by Will in that email. The usual progression in my experience for an online discussion forum set up by a free speech idealist (such as Toby, but many much more fundamentalist free speech zealots set up internet forums and discussion sites in the early days of the internet), is roughly as follows.

In the early days anything goes, and discussion is freewheeling and messy. Lots of people get upset about things they object to – obscenity, political incorrectness, political opinions they dislike etc and complain endlessly about them, both on the forum and in private to the owner, but are mostly rebuffed on free speech grounds.

Over time, small restrictions creep in. The most offensive words and views are policed. Moderating structures are put in to deal with genuine spam, and are extended to cover offensive stuff.

But people still complain endlessly about stuff being posted that is “offensive” to them, or supposedly “off topic”. It’s reducing the credibility of the site . Putting people off from joining or reading or linking to the site. It could be so much more effective if the outrageous words and opinions beow the line were kept respectable etc.

In some cases, if it gets big enough, the site owner comes under direct attack from identity lobbyists for “hate speech” opinions being allowed to be expressed. There are threats of legal and other sanctions against the site or its owner. Trolls who believe in the cause of, or are paid by, those groups post intentionally shocking stuff to reinforce the “necessity” for control. In some cases there is direct commercial or social pressure put on. “We would advertise on your site/employ you as a writer/editor etc/invest in your site/business, but obviously we can’t be seen to be associated with those kinds of opinions that are published on your site….” This is all part of the “cancel culture” and “hate speech” culture of intolerance that Toby’s FSU spends so much time fighting

In the end, it always results in a slide to “respectabilty”. The endless complaining takes its toll, and pressure is brought to bear in countless ways on the owner and managers.

This is imo an unavoidable and inevitable process. All we can do is try to slow it down as much as possible to retain some space for disreputable opinion and expression. One of the best ways to do that is to have clear and openly stated policies, honestly enforced.

The two most dangerous and insidious enemies of free speech are complaints about “offence” (often supposedly on behalf of others) and “off topic”. Once these get a foothold, they will be abused and extended until the site is safely within the Overton Window.

448059 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 7, #643 of 1824 🔗

Excellent post. Very balanced.

448076 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #644 of 1824 🔗

Thank you.

I usually try to pay little mind to the voting on posts, but I do find it interesting that the unusual shenanigans on downvoting yesterday, pointed out by Friedrich Stapss (formerly Northumbrian Nomad), amongst others, do not seem to be continuing today.

I feel there must be an interesting story behind that, that we will probably never read.

448078 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Mark, 2, #645 of 1824 🔗

I’m sure I wasn’t the only person last night down voting people obsessing about down voting “for the lolz”! 😉 😂

448085 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #646 of 1824 🔗

Indeed, but that isn’t unusual, and isn’t what I was referring to. It was more that comments specifically about censorship seemed to be systematically downvoted, much more than usual.

448502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 1, #647 of 1824 🔗

To be honest I thought the censorship outrage was overblown, the post in question I think was problematic more for its target than its content, had it been unspecific it wouldn’t have caused such a stir, I can see why it may have been removed.

I wonder if off-topic refers to our opposition to vaccines lets face LDS isn’t really against vaccines. TY position is pretty clear. I could be way off on that. Rules are fine, but they must be clear & available. My view is free speech but! Isn’t free speech at all. If it’s legal then it should be allowed. If it gets personal then admin discretion to remove it is reasonable.

448094 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #648 of 1824 🔗

In reply to my comment yesterday you wrote

Your comments on ADE are ridiculous sorry

You don’t seem to understand how debate works. The appropriate (if somewhat uncivil) response would have been

Your comments on ADE are ridiculous BECAUSE …..

with an explanation of why my comments were “ridiculous”.

Feel free to explain – or shall I assume that you don’t really have a response.

448066 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Mark, 4, #649 of 1824 🔗

I agree with you absolutely. I would never report a post but if I disagree with it or think it is off topic I will downtick or argue back.

I don’t want people to self censor – and I appreciate we all come here to let off steam – but I do think it behoves us all to read our own posts with a critical eye to how it may come across. As a professional writer I have to do this to earn a living!

There is so much intelligent commentary BTL here yet we are portrayed in the MSM and by many sheeple as unhinged Covid deniers and 5G nutters. We should make sure our posts don’t feed their narrative. I sometimes see comments so “out there” one has to wonder if they are a 77th black ops effort to make us look cuckoo!

448099 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #650 of 1824 🔗

As your comment illustrates, there is a very real dilemma here.

My solution to it is to, on principle, refuse to accord any respect or validity to complaints about disreputable opinions or words in btl discussion. That has a cost of course, but it’s the only way to evade the tyranny of respectability, that ultimately renders politics sterile. Ignore or engage.

Easy for me to say, of course, when it isn’t my site that’s bearing the cost, or my career that is being attacked, or my wife who is complaining that we aren’t being invited to dinner parties any more….

448064 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #651 of 1824 🔗

Australian Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt: “The world is engaged in the largest clinical trial ever”

https://youtu.be/rgaTakfyfSU?t=760

448247 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #652 of 1824 🔗

Truly psychotic

449092 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Cheezilla, #653 of 1824 🔗

I’ve got a really bad feeling about this.

448065 RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #654 of 1824 🔗

The piece on totalitarianism (which should have been the lead rather than a further invitation to health virtue-signalling) mentions :

a naive scientific thinking that considers total knowledge possible”

But, of course, it hasn’t been ‘scientific thinking ‘ that has been the problem during the shit-show – it’s its perversion or total absence that has dominated the narrative.

448088 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 3, #655 of 1824 🔗

I was particularly struck by this :

Totalitarian leaders intuitively understand that tormenting the population in a perverse way reinforces the social conditioning even more. I can‘t fully explain that now, but the process of social conditioning is intrinsically self-destructive. A population affected by this process is capable of enormous atrocities towards others, but also towards itself. It has absolutely no hesitation about sacrificing itself. This explains why, unlike simple dictatorships, a totalitarian state cannot survive. It eventually devours itself completely, as it were. But the process usually takes many human lives.

448171 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, #656 of 1824 🔗

It won’t take ours.

448068 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 7, #657 of 1824 🔗

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-02-scientists-discover-mrna-inactivates-tumor-suppressing-proteins.html#
Sloane Kettering. No slouches. Heavy censorship effort going on reg. this news and article.

448111 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JayBee, 2, #658 of 1824 🔗

Yes. Posted a link in the last few days about an increase in breast cancer as a result of the way the vaccine works

448070 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 13, #659 of 1824 🔗

If dolly chops stood on camera and said farting spreads covoid do you think people would walk about with a cork stuffed in their arse??

As you can maybe tell, I’m getting decidedly pissed off with this saga

448077 ▶▶ Ganjan21, replying to stefarm, 7, #660 of 1824 🔗

I would say plenty of the dum dums would be double corking.

448082 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stefarm, 4, #661 of 1824 🔗

They would only ask what size cork

448167 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #662 of 1824 🔗

😸

448102 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to stefarm, 1, #663 of 1824 🔗

“If dolly chops stood on camera and said farting spreads covoid do you think people would walk about with a cork stuffed in their arse??”

No, they would of course start wearing diapers again, ‘Rooona approved.

448105 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to stefarm, #664 of 1824 🔗

There would be social media posts, letting all and sundry know that the appropriate device had been purchased and inserted.

448168 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #665 of 1824 🔗

With an accompanying photo?
The age of the Arselfie.

448418 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stefarm, #666 of 1824 🔗

The very next day outside the local butchers a sign would appear saying “No cork, no pork” alongside the one saying “No mask no sale”.

448072 Fear is Finite, 10, #667 of 1824 🔗

Put on your uniform,
You are learning to conform.
Shoes polished bright, blazer done up tight,
You are learning to conform.
Skirt below the knee, make sure no one can see,
You are learning to conform.
Earrings mustn’t dangle, hair mustn’t tangle,
You are learning to conform.

Put on your mask, it isn’t much to ask,
You are learning to conform.
2 metres away, no touching today,
You are learning to conform.
A swab here, a swab there, a swab anywhere,
You are learning to conform.
A shot in the arm, where’s the harm?
You are learning to conform.

Now children, open your minds,
We expect free thinking and creativity, you see.
Original and clever,
Thats what we want you to be.
Don’t follow the crowd, don’t be a sheep,
people like that are fast asleep.
But Sir, I can’t do it, not one bit,
I have learnt to conform.

448080 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 18, #668 of 1824 🔗

Imagine, for a moment, that our Health Services were provided by independent contractors – a bit like road building and maintenance. That is. Healthcare was funded as it is now by central government but the services were delivered by private providers.

Imagine also, that due to a pandemic in early 2020, the private providers were not only given extra funding but the required targets for all non-Covid treatments were completely relaxed.

Now imagine the outrage from politicians – particularly those on the left – if, after all the above, the UK had the highest Covid death rate of every major country in the world. Do you think there might be a few calls for enquiries into the performance of the Healthcare providers?

Instead we have outrage because a 1% pay rise isn’t good enough

448104 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mayo, 1, #669 of 1824 🔗

And the extra money spent has been largely wasted – as I posted earlier if you looked at public health as whole and accepted covid as an established part of it, would you spend £500 billion or whatever trying and failing to get rid of it?

448117 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Mayo, 3, #670 of 1824 🔗

I have said on LS before, if the money had been spent to create a NHS health system available in other countries which work very well ( many European countries for example) the UK would be in a far better position. Instead all that has happened is the already untouchable NHS has now become sacrosanct. Any political party who even mentions any reform to the NHS will be even more doomed than already seen.

448122 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mayo, 1, #671 of 1824 🔗

Isn’t that how most EU countries do it?
Do any other countries have such a beast of an NHS?

448177 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #672 of 1824 🔗

Yes – more or less.

448244 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, #673 of 1824 🔗

The government are still parroting the modelling. So they didn’t get 120,000 deaths, they saved 350,000. And that’s good enougj for the sheep

448083 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 13, #674 of 1824 🔗

Obesity doesn’t cause modern chronic disease such as heart attacks, cancer, diabetes, strokes, severe respiratory illness etc. Instead obesity has a very strong association with these conditions. It’s important to understand that distinction.

Poor metabolic health (insulin resistance rather than insulin sensitivity) associates even more closely to modern chronic disease.

And good metabolic health is achieved by low carb, high healthy fat, real food nutrition (and avoiding seed/vegetable oils), good sleep, ensuring vitamin D sufficiency, avoiding too much stress, and not smoking and a bit of exercise. There’s room for debate around the precise criteria and other factors, and there will be a bit of variation on what works for each individual, but it’s something along those lines.

If you had taken a group of people and measured their metabolic health through an insulin assay (or some proxy to that) in say January 2020, then those who were insulin sensitive would almost certainly have been of completely trivial risk of severe covid regardless of age. And that trivial risk would extend to the few overweight people who were insulin sensitive.

Focusing on obesity though is a blame game attempt; ‘it’s your fault for being fat, we’ll help you sort out your problems’ sort of thing.

The reason many/most people are obese is because they have been given the wrong guidelines on good nutrition by the food industry who essentially set the food guidelines. There will always be a few who choose to ignore any guidelines (and that’s their free choice) but the rest of the obese are simply victims of poor nutritional guidance.

If you eat the right things and do the right things as suggested above, losing weight then becomes an added bonus of improving your overall health.

448109 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #675 of 1824 🔗

Great post!!

448113 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #676 of 1824 🔗

Good point, a lot to consider re: the current wave of non stop propaganda
We can all fall into knee-jerk reactions sometimes

448116 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #677 of 1824 🔗

The other day I looked up those foods which are rich in vitamin D. One of those is red meat and yet Bill Gates wants us to eat a lot less of it!

I agree with you completely that we are victims of poor nutritional guidance Freecumbria. I’ve long been a follower of the diet doctor, a Swedish doctor who recommends the high fat, low carb diet. The science behind it makes a lot of sense to me.

448124 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Margaret, 4, #678 of 1824 🔗

The opposite diet of higher carbs, lower fat is a known cause of type 2 diabetes. There is no surprise in the increase of type 2 diabetes in the UK with the obsession with low fat foods and increase in artificial sugars.

448158 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #679 of 1824 🔗

Yes. As you say low fat usually means being replaced with sugar or artificial sugars. And it’s tastleless. Give me a 10% fat Greek yoghurt over a low fat sugar/artificial sugar yoghurt every time.

I think most people know/think that sugar is bad. But not many realise that chemically carbohydrates as someone brilliant put it ‘are just sugar molecule holding hands’. The body soon breaks the chemical bonds in those carbs turning them into sugars, and when you lose the ability to process sugar through insulin resistance the carbohydrates get stored as fat. No way for a diabetic to put diabetes into remission.

448222 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #680 of 1824 🔗

I can always remember my mother saying if she wanted to “drop a few pounds” she stopped eating bread and potato. Sometimes the simple things actually are the best.

448305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Cumbriacracked, #681 of 1824 🔗

It may vary a bit from person to person – but I’d say bread isn’t the problem and potatoes certainly aren’t the problem (though the way one prepares them could well be, eg doing potatoes as chips). I know I was surprised to find a visible difference from dropping cheese and I don’t think I’m someone that was having a lot of it (though it featured more than it would have to a meat/fish-eater). But the weight has started coming off again now that I’ve dropped everything non-vegan apart from bread spread. Bread spread still in there – because I just can’t find anything I like the taste of to spread on my bread yet and think I might be waiting for someone to devise it in the first place.

448420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cumbriacracked, #682 of 1824 🔗

Meat and two veg. Granny did know best!

448293 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #683 of 1824 🔗

Probably depends on what type of diabetes it is as to whether one can put it into remission. I’ve read of a lot of people doing precisely that for Type 2 diabetes – by swopping over to a genuinely healthy diet. I know I got told some years back that I was pre-diabetic and that certainly gave me pause for thought and my diet became rather healthier partly because of that. Afaik that pre-diabetic status has gone and I certainly wouldn’t expect to ever get it back – as I’ve recently upped the ante even more and now my diet is pretty much wholefood vegan.

448430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to ElizaP, #684 of 1824 🔗

In terms of putting diabetes into remission, yes you are right to point out that applies to type 2 diabetics, and I should have been clearer.

Type 1 diabetics have benefited from a low carb diet, but careful monitoring of sugar levels and control with insulin is required and not to be done without medical advice. Diet doctor has a page on low carb and type 1 diabetes

https://www.dietdoctor.com/diabetes/type-1

448142 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Margaret, 1, #685 of 1824 🔗

Diet doctor is great, their low carb bread roll recipe with almond flour is brilliant, even my high carb friends like the rolls. Andreas Eenfeldt is a lockdown supporter I believe, which is interesting given most low carb advocates are against lockdowns, but shouldn’t detract from the excellent diet doctor information on nutrition.

The ultimate test for anyone is to try it out yourself, the so called n=1 experiment. Worth getting blood tests, check blood pressure before you start (I wish I had done that) and then see how all the health markers change over time.

Takes a short period for the body to adapt to the change because your body isn’t used to utilising fat as an an energy source rather than carbohydrates, but once you are past that it’s plain sailing. They tell you it can’t be sustained but I’ve been doing it for years and know many others who are the same and enjoy food,and the freedom of not having to count calories and not being continually hungry, more than ever.

I think understanding the science helps a lot as you give yourself confidence that what you are doing isn’t some fad diet but something that equates to good nutrition.

448162 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, #686 of 1824 🔗

Can I ask is that the one with psyllium husk in? I have never baked a recipe with that in! I have always naturally eaten a low carb diet as it has always suited me but just accepted it would be no bread.

448187 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #687 of 1824 🔗

Yes, it’s this one

https://www.dietdoctor.com/recipes/the-keto-bread

I get my psyllium husk from Grape Tree, not advertising that and you can get cheaper, but relatively few shops sell it and I bought some psyllium husk from an online source and the rolls expand too much. So you need to try different sources until you find one that works for you.

I used to be a bread addict, round after round of toast late at night. Bread cravings gone now but nice to have the bread rolls though.

448236 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #688 of 1824 🔗

Great thank you I will give it a try.

448175 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 2, #689 of 1824 🔗

Good point and it makes you wonder too if Bill Gates wants a resurgence of beri-beri and rickets as red meat is also rich in vitamin B12?

I read somewhere that there is already a resurgence of both beri-beri and rickets among those who have gone vegan. Women particularly have been badly affected.

448233 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #690 of 1824 🔗

Rickets is appearing more in younger children due to the obsession with sunscreen and therefore no vitamin D. B12 is a really interesting situation, our range levels in the UK are very low compared for example to countries such as Japan. Countries with high B12 intake have lower levels of dementia.

GP’s and the NHS are obsessed with numbers, rather than clinical signs and symptoms (sounds familiar!). It is not right that someone can have all the symptoms of, for example iron deficient anaemia, the blood test comes back as in the normal range, therefore it is not treated. The result may only be at the lowest level of the normal range and yet they are deemed fine. 1 number lower and they would have been deemed deficient and treated. This is not right.

448320 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #691 of 1824 🔗

One does need to supplement with B12 in order to be vegan. I gather the body stores enough from a previous diet to cover up to about 3 years worth of needs. But there comes a point where one has to supplement – which I gather is down to us (in the main) no longer getting that sort of bacteria from soil. So I suppose it’s possible I personally am getting that beneficial soil bacteria – courtesy of all my food is bought as the organic version and preferably unwashed and I’m out there in my garden growing what food I can manage myself and not wearing gardening gloves. But you’ve reminded me I really must make myself take that as a supplement regularly (before my stored level of it runs out). I do like nooch (nutritional yeast) and buy the version with B12 added to it – so I’m probably getting enough from that…

448118 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #692 of 1824 🔗

Agree, very good post.

448129 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #693 of 1824 🔗

Or maybe people are Fat because they are lazy, don’t exercise, drink, smoke and don’t give a shit. Maybe they are Fat because it is their phucking fault?

448149 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to FerdIII, 2, #694 of 1824 🔗

If the NHS pushes “low fat” foods and people think by eating low fat and no sugar is healthy, they will not understand the correlation between the two. Their actions and the advise being given is not helping. Low fat foods are full of sugar and/or artificial sugars. The people think they are doing the “right” thing. It is not an excuse, people should take control and find a way to lose weight which works for them. It is another example of always wanting to be told what is best for them by the government/NHS etc and believing it 100% rather than applying any critical thinking or research.

448163 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #695 of 1824 🔗

True. Low-fat foods are high in sugar and vice versa. Always read the label!

448141 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #696 of 1824 🔗

There’s a problem in that insulin resistance is seen by the public as being related to diabetes which it is somewhat. However the condition is at the root of all, if not most of our lifestyle diseases. There is also a perception that only the obese are insulin resistant – not true. Thin people can also be insulin resistant and the chances are that they don’t have any sign that there is a problem.

It is difficult to measure the level of insulin in the blood so IR doesn’t tend to get picked up until there is a problem. Also, many of the conditions caused can be managed by drugs. For example polycystic ovarian syndrome is increasingly common in women. You want to have children? Take some Mandy Allwood juice – I’ve forgotten the name of the drug.

We can measure the level of glucose in the blood as a proxy for measuring what is happening with the insulin but problems with glucose don’t start showing up until years after IR starts and often years before symptoms of type 2 diabetes start.

We cannot simply blame the obese for their situation. Anyone of us may have the problems no matter what our weight is. The problems as you say are driven by the food industry along with agricultural practices and phamaceutical companies. They are selling us highly addictive processed foods and, cynically, the drugs required to treat the diseases caused.

So how does this fit with CV-19?

The obese do seem to be more at risk and this is probably due to insulin’s role in driving glucose into fat cells in the form of lipids along with the increased number of ACE2 receptors on those (and other) cells. I’ve seen videos which suggest that viruses present opportunities for genetic upgrades and that with this virus targetting the ACE2 receptor, people who have fewer of them will be more likely to survive and pass on their genes.

It certainly is an interesting time to be alive!

448159 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #697 of 1824 🔗

Yes, and I intend to stay that way!

448201 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #698 of 1824 🔗

I wonder if obesity, as it is likely to be associated with low levels of aerobic exercise, leads to poor lung and general respiratory health.

The runny noses, colds and flu you might get after intensive exercise (especially out of doors in cold weather) are in my view the body’s clean-out time, putting one in better shape to deal with any respiratory virus.

Throw in a flu jab (which means the body doesn’t even get that relief from all the stuff that’s in there) and you have severe covid waiting to happen, I would have thought.

448237 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Puddleglum, #699 of 1824 🔗

Great post

I mentioned in a previous post my friend who put his pre-diabetes into remission by low carb. He was pretty much a TOFI (thin on the outside fat on the inside) person, just a bit of weight around the belly; that said he’s stick thin now!

At the point your blood sugar has got out of control (e.g. through a measured high HbA1c) your insulin management has been out of control for some time, but wont have been picked up, even though you have been insulin resistant for a while.

I do think that doctors should be using HOMA-IR tests as a means to test for insulin resistance, because acting when blood sugar is getting out of control is too late. But if you do a HOMA-IR test and get a high value you then need to do something about it which is part of the problem.

Although I never had high blood sugar diagnosed I suspect I was insulin resistant before going low carb.

448173 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #700 of 1824 🔗

Nah, obese people are obese because they eat too much and don’t exercise. They are in no way victims of anything but their own laziness. To claim that the poor lambs have just been ill-advised is to take away any free-choice they have in context of their food intake and activity levels.

448212 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to jb12, 3, #701 of 1824 🔗

It is very interesting that the low carb nutrition program set up by David Unwin at the Norwood surgery in Southport is not based on telling (pre) diabetic patients to go low carb real food, instead they are specifically offered the choice of nutrition or medication. Most choose the nutrition route. If you go to a less enlightened doctor’s surgery, you don’t get the low carb choice, and that is where the lack of free choice arises.

448224 ▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #702 of 1824 🔗

The choices that I am talking about are made long before you are going to get treatment for diabetes. When I was younger, in each class there was the ‘fat kid’ (or two). Now you have over half of primary school kids obese.

If we are just talking fat levels, you could eat nothing but carbs and still not be fat if you eat less than you burn and you engage in some form of exercise. Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying you would be healthy, but the success of low-carb diets are due to people’s activity levels and gluttony rather than any inherent benefit of the diets. I ate a low-carb diet a few years ago and the little fat I had burned off within two months, but as someone who competed in high-intensity amateur sporting contests, I had no energy at all. If I needed to lose weight quickly, a short-term program of low-carb eating would be good; longer term, not so much. I actually find intermittent fasting to be a much more effective way to maintain weight and health.

448333 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to jb12, #703 of 1824 🔗

Don’t forget the exercise part of that equation. It astonishes me just how many people clamber into cars to go a distance of, say, less than 2 miles. 2 miles is walking distance – even if one then walks back again that same 2 miles. I can instantly think of people who will clamber in their car to go 1 mile or less.

448339 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to jb12, #704 of 1824 🔗

Can take a considerable time to be able to get used to switching over from carb burning to fat burning in relation to sporting activity. I’d say it took me about 6 months to fully transition. Before I transitioned I would weaken after about an hour. Whereas all the other benefits of low carb happened in days. The transition varies between people. So i know where you are coming from there.

At elite level for high intensity events there is a debate on whether being metabolically flexible (being able to interchange between burning carbs or fat) is more important than being able to just burn fat or just burn carbs. Volek and Phinney have written some good stuff on low carb sport snutrition.

I cycled 70+ miles one day over Christmas including up Cheddar Gorge having had no breakfast, and just drinking water, and felt as fresh as a daisy all the way round. Just have to be a bit careful with electrolytes.

I’d have to disagree with you on the gluttony thing as a general point. Hunger and satiety are hormonally driven. Eat less move more sounds like common sense, but to have good hormonal signals to control your hunger you need to be eating the right things. More hormones than willpower.

I’ve managed to be thin while eating high carb and exercising a lot; it is doable to keep weight down, but get injured and the weight does creep on. Now if I don’t exercise for a bit the weight still stays constant.

448277 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #705 of 1824 🔗

“The reason many/most people are obese is because they have been given the wrong guidelines on good nutrition by the food industry who essentially set the food guidelines. There will always be a few who choose to ignore any guidelines (and that’s their free choice) but the rest of the obese are simply victims of poor nutritional guidance.”

There is truth to that, but there is also the issue of dopamine and stress which have a strong corelation to eating poorly. Comfort eating is the one we have all heard of.It’s one of the reasons most people have put on some weight during lockdown.

448295 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to this is my username, 1, #706 of 1824 🔗

Yes agree. And cortisol can makes you crave unhealthy food.

Project fear has a lot to answer for.

This was a great twitter thread by Dr Simon on affect of stress on cortisol and health

https://twitter.com/goddeketal/status/1366752754144796674

448086 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #707 of 1824 🔗

It’s clearly time to bring back the Eat Out to Combat Obesity scheme.

448155 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #708 of 1824 🔗

Bring back the Roman feast, You stuff, you poke a feather down your throat to make you vomit, you stuff again, and so ad infinitum. Edunt ut vomant, vomunt ut edant

448364 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Annie, 3, #709 of 1824 🔗

yes – why dont new houses have a vomitarium ? pubs do. It is called “the garden next door”

448391 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to mj, #710 of 1824 🔗

😀 😀 😀

448414 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, #711 of 1824 🔗

Both Bohemian and Bulimian.

448090 George L, replying to George L, 22, #712 of 1824 🔗

Is Obesity to Blame For the High Covid Death Toll?

There is no high covid death toll. Its a total fabrication.

There’s a reason there’s no flu, and the usual killers like cancer, heart attacks, alzheimer’s etc are recording lows from their averages.. percentages of them are being listed as covid deaths.. and that’s at a time when those suffering from those conditions aren’t getting medical treatment, so by rights those averages should be making new highs.

Answer to original question : The authorities are lying!

.

448100 ▶▶ Julian, replying to George L, 4, #713 of 1824 🔗

There have been spikes in mortality that are quite unusual, here and elsewhere, though the waters have been muddied by lockdowns and their effects

I think the evidence points to a new respiratory virus existing to which there was less resistance and for which there was/is no vaccine, which harms the frail and/or obese, which has pushed mortality levels up to the point we were at before flu vaccines started to become widespread

448119 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Julian, 5, #714 of 1824 🔗

No, the evidence COULD be interpreted that way, BUT it can also be interpreted as excess deaths caused by the many collateral effects of the Lockdowns – not that the government will ever admit that!

448126 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 1, #715 of 1824 🔗

I think this is correct

if we look at sweden – there is clearly something going round and causing excess deaths. in UK too. 1st season 2/3 covid, 1/3 lockdown

second season who knows – probably the other way round

but 95% of deaths are just old age brought forward a few months. the rest are bad luck/underlying conditions etc

448144 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to steve_w, 1, #716 of 1824 🔗

What is excess deaths? I keep hearing that term, how many deaths are an “excess”?

448133 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Julian, 3, #717 of 1824 🔗

No – the spike in March/April was due to lockdown.

If you look at how mortality increases during the course of an epidemic, then the shape of the mortality curve is of a steadily rising hump as an infection moves through a population.

The shape of the mortality curve in April was quite different. It was a spike indicating a sudden overnught change in some determining condition, which can only have been lockdown and its associated effects, The timing of this spike fits snugly with the lockdown impositions.

We see quite clearly that this was so when we look at neighbouring jurisdictions which adopted different policies, such as departements in France or states in the US. We see that changes in death rates are associated with the boundaries between jurisdictions. This is definitive evidence that the rise in mortality was overwhelmingly due to lockdown.

448140 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 4, #718 of 1824 🔗

I had a long discussion about this yesterday with someone who was claiming the same thing.

What I am certain is not being factored in is years of dropping mortality rates combined with a rise in life expectancy.

That is an unsustainable trend. In fact the UN has been predicting for some time a rise in mortality rates in the coming decades.

2020 may have seen a long overdue correction in that trend as a result of a perfectly natural event that happens from time to time like the emergence of a new variation of a virus.

In other times, when the population was younger and the media was less aggressive we would have taken it in our stride.

This time around with an unusual accumulation of old, frail people and media fighting for its life against the onslaught of social media, we’ve had the perfect storm.

And here we are.

448143 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Julian, 4, #719 of 1824 🔗

The spikes were caused by health systems emptying their hospitals, it happened here and caused approx 25k deaths, the same happened in Sweden, they actually had the balls to say what they did was wrong. Any higher deaths were caused by the actions taken and continue to be the case.

448148 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #720 of 1824 🔗

I think it is hard to argue that there hasn’t been a nasty virus going around.

But it has affected countries with lots of old people.
Lockdowns have definitely made things worse, not better.
And the numbers they claim are massively inflated, including people who have died of other things and would have died anyway.

448214 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to stewart, 3, #721 of 1824 🔗

But we have nasty viruses every year, so I can argue this has been no different. The change was the measures put in place as you said plus the manipulation of the numbers.

448306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cumbriacracked, #722 of 1824 🔗

And that the virus was a bit nastier than usual.
Like the Hong Kong flu back in the 60s.
Or maybe not even quite that bad, but worse than a typical year.
It happens.

448468 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Julian, 2, #723 of 1824 🔗

No no no fatties with poor health died with +covid test.

Look Flu can be a horrible serious disease even for healthy people, how many under 60s die of flu? I suspect no one knows.

I had flu in my 30s I was fit as a butchers dog very lean mean & healthy. One day I woke up feeling crap, took my wife to train station (she was going away for the weekend) came home had a fever, took 2 paracetamols laid on couch, felt like death, didn’t wake up til Monday, got off couch, to pick my wife. I have no memory of the time between Friday & Monday, i didn’t move off the couch all weekend. Felt fine tuesday.

448127 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to George L, 5, #724 of 1824 🔗

Why don’t Fat People have a special ID or Fat-port? They eat up the NHS. They suffer from cancer + 100 other issues. They are Health-Deniers.

Fatports should be issued, along with track and trace. Those of us who spent 1000s of £ and hours should get a very high social score. Fat-port carrying Health Deniers, a very low score, imapcting their ability to eat, travel and get a job.

Fair is fair.

448131 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to FerdIII, 2, #725 of 1824 🔗

If they can intrude in the lives of people to the extent that they force us to have a vaccine and demonstrate our “immunity” to have social interaction, then I will absolutely demand that fat people be forced to lose weight, that smoking is completely forbidden, that alcohol be completely banned.

Don’t get me wrong, I want everyone to live freely, but if they aren’t going to let me live freely, then I am going to demand that no one else can either.

To save the NHS.

448139 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to FerdIII, 3, #726 of 1824 🔗

Not fair to follow the example of the government and fat shame people.

It is not as easy as eating less. The government/NHS dietary guidelines are a recipe for obesity. Doctors have not been trained in healthy food and nutrition and many are actively discouraging it.

448161 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, 4, #727 of 1824 🔗

It is not as easy as eating less.

Actually it is. You don’t see fat, starving people.

BUT, eating less is not that easy for many. Specially in a society that is constantly trying to sell you food, especially food that is not healthy and leads to obesity.

And yet, we can’t have it both ways. We are either for personal responsibility or we are not. If people want to be rotund, that is entirely up to them. But they should take responsibility for it.

448326 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to FerdIII, #728 of 1824 🔗

what about those of us who are just big boned?

448164 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to George L, 2, #729 of 1824 🔗

OK, here’s an idea:

Obese people seem to be more vulnerable to severe covid.

In so-called developing countries, that isn’t the case.

In richer, western countries, obese people are strongly advised to have
the flu jab, even if they are under the age of 65.

So I would like to suggest a connection between the flu jab and severe covid.

448211 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Portnadler, #730 of 1824 🔗

There has always been mentions of “viral load” from the very beginning. Having the flu jab in the 2019/2020 season then getting “covid”. In addition the push for the flu jab 2020/2021 then another “vaccine” on top of it and possibly to people who have already had the “deadly” virus.

448101 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 22, #731 of 1824 🔗

Just received my second letter from the NHS regarding the vaccine. “We are contacting you AGAIN (my emphasis) etc. etc.

They tell me that I can ignore this letter if I want to be vaccinated by my doctor/if I have already made an appointment/if I have had my first dose.

There is no option telling me to ignore this letter if I don’t wish to have the vaccine.

How much is all this correspondence costing, by the way?

448108 ▶▶ John001, replying to Margaret, 1, #732 of 1824 🔗

Change GP (if you can, given catchment areas and limited choice).
Or if brave, de-register from any GP.

448110 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to John001, 6, #733 of 1824 🔗

I am not registered with a GP, haven’t been for many years. I am very pleased now!

448115 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to John001, 4, #734 of 1824 🔗

Why – these contacts (at least in my case) have been from the NHS, not from my GP surgery (which, as it happens, is not doing the jab anyway).

448160 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to iane, 3, #735 of 1824 🔗

How did the NHS centrally get your personal data … did you consent to the practice passing it on?

Most GPs are separate legal entities, *not* state employees and have to keep patient records totally confidential.

Salaried GPs probably have the automatic right to pass data on to the health board (Wales) or CCG (England). I got an unwanted letter a week ago.

448114 ▶▶ iane, replying to Margaret, 2, #736 of 1824 🔗

Yep – me too, and I have had 8 or 9 emails with the same ‘kind’ offer!

448123 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Margaret, 3, #737 of 1824 🔗

Write them back, cross out ‘vaccine’ and write what it is EXPERIMENTAL RNA GENE THERAPY UNTESTED DRUG.

448194 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Margaret, 4, #738 of 1824 🔗

Neither is there an option for requesting to be left alone and not bothered by any more letters or phone calls. Just a little tear-off slip to send back and the NHS could save itself a fortune in admin and postage costs. It’s almost as though they have money to burn and staff to keep busy.

448427 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Margaret, 2, #739 of 1824 🔗

Comment on Facebook

448120 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 9, #740 of 1824 🔗

Reject the EXPERIMENTAL DRUG INJECTION. IF THE MAJORITY OBJECTS NO DRUG-IDs can be issued.

In fact, the 27 EU member states are nowhere close to reaching an agreement on common rules for a mutual recognition of vaccine certificates. Also unresolved are a host of constitutional, ethical, legal and scientific questions. The introduction of Covid passports also risks creating a market for forged documents.

The Royal Society, the United Kingdom’s national academy of sciences, recently issued a 22-page report “Twelve Criteria for the Development and Use of Covid-19 Vaccine Passports —which may serve as a roadmap for countries both inside and outside the European Union.

The report concludes that although an internationally standardized Covid-19 vaccine passport system is feasible, much more time is needed to meet the basic technical and scientific prerequisites for such certificates to become reality . The report urges political leaders to exercise caution and consider the longer-term implications, especially regarding questions of government surveillance and constitutional rights to privacy .

According to the report, a vaccine passport must fulfill at least twelve requirements : 1) meet benchmarks for Covid-19 immunity; 2) accommodate differences between vaccines in their efficacy, as well as changes in vaccine efficacy against emerging variants; 3) be internationally standardized; 4) have verifiable credentials; 5) have defined uses; 6) be based on a platform of interoperable technologies; 7) be secure for personal data; 8) be portable; 9) be affordable to individuals and governments; 10) meet legal standards; 11) meet ethical standards ; and 12) have conditions of use that are understood and accepted by the passport holders.”

They could have added – not killing or injuring tens of thousands of people ……but of course the most obvious issue is always ignored isn’t it?

448157 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to FerdIII, 1, #741 of 1824 🔗

What does it mean “1) meet benchmarks for Covid-19 immunity” Just government drivel! Not to mention the other 11 lies!

448192 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to FerdIII, 8, #742 of 1824 🔗

The headline is absolutely correct.
Which is why they are running a psy-op here, see the OffGuardian article today.
And why throwing in the towel now, like Hitchens, Sumption, Swayne&co did, is so unnecessary, counterproductive, wrong and why it is absolutely correct to criticize them for that.

448204 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JayBee, 2, #743 of 1824 🔗

It will be another “the most likes on fb” say the people want passports/testing/certificates and therefore “with a heavy heart” we are introducing them. Oh and we were discussing them with the EU back in 2018!

448121 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 3, #744 of 1824 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-divided-over-covid-passports

Boris fine with discriminating those who don’t want the gene therapy then. …

448128 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JayBee, 3, #745 of 1824 🔗

Who would have thought it, Segregation in the UK. We are disappearing up our own sanctimonious r’ses

448153 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 4, #746 of 1824 🔗

Maskoid apartheid in schools.
Where’s Rosa Parkes when you need her?

448156 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Annie, 1, #747 of 1824 🔗

Sadlydied. Don’t think we can blame the virus though.

448220 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JayBee, #748 of 1824 🔗

Am I going to miss being around these numpties??

448136 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 7, #749 of 1824 🔗

I’ve just been trawling twitter and it looks like Anthea Turner is a partial sceptic. She’s posted updates on Ivermectin.

448449 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to kenadams, 1, #750 of 1824 🔗

Whose Anthea Turner ?

448137 RickH, replying to RickH, 17, #751 of 1824 🔗

Is there so little escape from incontinent hysteria?

I was eager to read some sense about SARS-CoV-2 variants, so turned with enthusiasm to the Round Up reference :

Why we shouldn’t worry about Covid super strains ” – Dr Julian Tang, Clinical Virologist at the University of Leicester

… only to find this at the end :

“… we should not see the terrible mortality we saw in 2020 when the world population was exposed to Covid-19 for the very first time”

FFS. Even the partially innumerate should recognise by now that mortality wasn’t “ terrible ” – but well within the range that viruses cause on a periodic basis.

The truly terrible infection is that sort of hysterical over-statement.

448147 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to RickH, 3, #752 of 1824 🔗

I believe its been very beneficial for pharma grants

448180 ▶▶ stewart, replying to RickH, 2, #753 of 1824 🔗

So terrible, it was at the level of … 2008.
The year of the corpses on the street…

448410 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stewart, #754 of 1824 🔗

I spent most of that year swerving myself – around all the stinking corpses.

448184 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 8, #755 of 1824 🔗

An ‘oxymoron’ is someone who wasn’t born a moron, but became one as a result of oxygen deprivation, caused by prolonged mask-wearing.

Oxy-moron.

448145 Annie, replying to Annie, 11, #756 of 1824 🔗

Go t has responded to the vaccine rollout petition.
Lots of quite menacing drivel, then, quite suddenly:

“As the Prime Minister has said, there are complex ethical issues – and we can’t discriminate against people who, for whatever reason, haven’t had a vaccine.”

See what you make of it all.
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/569957?reveal_response=yes

448151 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Annie, 1, #757 of 1824 🔗

Who cares what Bojoke said! They will go as per the agenda!

448178 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Annie, 10, #758 of 1824 🔗

Simple. They haven’t decided. Everything is on the table.

They will muddle on. if they see the public consenting to it, they will do it. if they see too much resistance they will back off.

Which is why the whole “we should respect people’s decision to take the vaccine” idea is not that simple.

We are in the fight of our lives.

448189 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Annie, 8, #759 of 1824 🔗

It’s such a pys op on the population. Several times politicians have stated how they would be completely against vaccine passports, only for a politician at a later date to state how it would make sense to return to normal.

I personally see the back up option of a test being used to skirt around the legalities. I don’t know if they will go as far as pubs/ resteraunts, but it’s already the proposed method for running festivals this summer.

448251 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 3, #760 of 1824 🔗

Like Texas and others they may well not make it mandatory by law but rely on soft coercion via employers and businesses doing their dirty work for them. The latter may do this to avoid getting sued by someone claiming they caught Covid at their restaurant, office or whatever, or just to virtue signal along with their competitors.

448626 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Annie, #761 of 1824 🔗

He has been talking about freedom lately. It may be significant. The cabal may realise that the legal noose is tightening.

448150 Annie, replying to Annie, 8, #762 of 1824 🔗

Irreverend on top form again.
Jamie points out that while government propaganda, and vaccine coercion, are predicated on the assumption that the snake oil ‘works’, the so-called roadmap is predicated on the assumption that it doesn’t.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/irreverend-faith-and-current-affairs/id1528967755

448190 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Annie, 1, #763 of 1824 🔗

Excellent point

448152 Sampa, replying to Sampa, 14, #764 of 1824 🔗

Are the sheep waking up? This morning, for the first time since this shit-show began, the city of São Paulo is seeing active protests against the restrictions due to start at midnight tonight.

https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2021/03/05/manifestantes-realizam-protesto-e-interditam-na-marginal-tiete.ghtml

The people have been passively ignoring the rules for some time, but this is the first time that we have seen a protest specifically against the restrictions. Predictably the press is totally against the protest, as are a number of the commentators, but they long ago abandoned any pretence of honest reporting. They even invented their own calculations when the real numbers dropped too much.

The police are present, but haven’t yet taken any action. Their commanders are probably hoping this ends peacefully because I’m not sure the rank and file would obey an order to use force.

448172 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Sampa, 2, #765 of 1824 🔗

People have guns in Brazil.
Being a cop in Brazil is a whole other story.
Not sure they’ll be as keen to take on a mob as they would in the UK.

448199 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to stewart, 2, #766 of 1824 🔗

Nope, most people don’t have guns, thanks to the Workers Party. The protesters are ordinary people and it’s difficult for a civilian to legally possess a gun today, and almost impossible to have a carry permit.

Bolsonaro wants to make it easier to have a gun and has opened up the list of permitted calibres but the process is slow and complicated. I don’t think a carry permit has been issued to a civilian since 2018.

Of course the bad guys have no problem getting their hands on serious firepower, but that`s another issue.

448208 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Sampa, 1, #767 of 1824 🔗

I know most don’t have guns.
But plenty do.
Many many more than in the UK.
The Brazilian police were militarised way before the American police. They showed them the way.

448448 ▶▶ iane, replying to JayBee, #769 of 1824 🔗

Well, they had no problem with Hitchens!

448166 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 14, #770 of 1824 🔗

#nomasksinclass seems to be picking up a bit of traction. Which should hopefully focus people’s minds on when adults are forced to wear them as well.

Whether this really is the end or not probably comes down to whether sufficient people are willing to let their children’s lives be destroyed, either by masks or vaccines (later this year). If sufficient numbers stand up, the whole pack of cards might come down on the adult measures as well. If most people go along with it, then that really is it.

448188 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kenadams, 1, #771 of 1824 🔗

Let’s wait for the reaction to the reaction from the government. it’s coming for sure.

448174 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 31, #772 of 1824 🔗

I’ve had lots of vaccines in my younger years, BCG, tetanus, polio, etc. – not had one for many years, and never thought much about them until last summer, just accepting they are a normal part of life, but now…..

c19 has a number of cheap safe treatments including vit D, HCQ & Invermectin – yet these treatments have been relentlessly attacked by the medical establishment, possibly deliberately causing 10s of 1000s of lives.

Saving lives does not seem to have been the agenda – promoting vaccinations does.

Not only vaccines for those at risk from this mild disease, but the whole healthy population is to be vaccinated, including children who are at virtually no risk from the disease.

All the main stream reporting on these vaccines has been wonderful and positive with not an once of critical reporting.

The people, eagerly taking it after relentless propaganda brainwashed them into a hysterical state of fear, are likely unaware that these vaccines are experimental gene therapy and have emergency approval.

I cannot understand why healthy people should take these vaccines, or even be encouraged to – scientists only have a limited understanding of our incredible and complex immune systems or what harm these vaccines may cause – the whole mass vaccination drive for c19 is illogical.

but – mass vaccination is needed for the vaccine passport agenda, and once this becomes a thing you can be sure there will be constant ‘essential’ annual vaccines to keep your vax passport up to date – and all these pro vaccine, pro passport experts seem to be funded in some way by big pharma money.

The vaccine passport agenda has caused mass murder IMO and is a slippery slope to a nasty world.

Stay healthy, eat healthy, keep moving and avoid snake oil peddlers – trust and look after your incredible immune system! – fight the vaccine passport agenda.

Bill Gates is a Global menace – follow the money…

448182 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Major Panic, 15, #773 of 1824 🔗

Bill Gates is a war criminal

448183 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Major Panic, 15, #774 of 1824 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.

Never thought twice about vaccines.
What they’ve succeeded in doing is getting me to look more carefully at them and start to ask a tonne of questions.

448198 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to stewart, 8, #775 of 1824 🔗

I used to have blind trust medical experts and their meds – I now trust none of it – trust is hard gained and easy lost.

448308 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to stewart, 1, #776 of 1824 🔗

Yep, same here. Now reading Dissolving Illusions .

448216 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Major Panic, 6, #777 of 1824 🔗

1st step ‘Test and Trace’
2nd step ‘Vaccine Passports’
3rd step ‘Digital IDs’

Simples,

448181 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 12, #778 of 1824 🔗

£22bn plus £40m of YOUR TAXPAYER cash has been squandered by the Government on a system that is useless.

Data from millions of Test and Trace check-ins at pubs, restaurants, and hairdressers were not used to help understand the spread of Covid-19, a leaked report has revealed.

The NHS Covid-19 ‘Test and Trace’ contact tracing app was rolled out across England and Wales in September 2020.

The £22bn systems failed to utilize data collected by venues and did not employ the QR code alert system in the £40m contact tracing app, which launched in England and Wales last September to notify anyone who checked into a venue with a coronavirus outbreak.

Doris Johnson’s mates must be laughing all the way to the bank.

448186 ▶▶ Julian, replying to cloud6, 4, #779 of 1824 🔗

Sadly the response to this will probably be to extend/ramp up/improve the whole thing rather than scrap it

448218 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 4, #780 of 1824 🔗

Yes. The solution will be to spend more.

It’s a good thing we live in the kind of country where blatant corruption doesn’t happen. Were this a banana republic, it would be difficult to resist feelings of suspicion and distrust.

448191 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to cloud6, 2, #781 of 1824 🔗

Be interesting if there is another push to use it once we are “allowed” out again. It will once again be pushed as mandatory.

448197 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to cloud6, 2, #782 of 1824 🔗

T&T is just the pilot for the real vaxx passport. It will work, don’t you worry! Welcome to Gulag Britain!

448206 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheClone, 7, #783 of 1824 🔗

Doubt it
The Government is inherently inept
Even if somehow they got it to function there will be a burgeoning black market in all sorts of things

448273 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TheClone, #784 of 1824 🔗

Even top of the line smart phones had trouble with the T&T and QR codes.

448207 ▶▶ leggy, replying to cloud6, 7, #785 of 1824 🔗

It was everything to do with reinforcing a compliance based mindset and little else as far as I can tell.

448230 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to cloud6, 6, #786 of 1824 🔗

Test (track?) and trace is a busted flush for the following reasons:

9 million adults in the UK are classed as functionally illiterate and therefor have no ‘smart phone’. Many more are literate but are technophobes and struggle with technology of any kind. Very many more are tech savvy (including this writer) but refuse to be drawn into it because they are only too well aware of the dangers of the state having access to one’s life and affairs. And finally, if they introduce the signing in procedures, similar to that of last year, it simply means huge numbers of false names and addresses being entered into their system.

Anybody disagree with this? Track and trace is a money spinner for those who make the kit but it’s a dead loss as to its intended purpose. Oh!…and did I mention that the whole kit and caboodle is based on the PCR test which as we all know is as accurate for detecting colds and flu as shoving a pipe cleaner up your nether regions.

448409 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #787 of 1824 🔗

I’m not illiterate.
I have no smartphone.
I have no intention of getting a smartphone.
Ever.

448266 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to cloud6, #788 of 1824 🔗

Maybe someone in the government may actually realise the low take up of the “app” and how people gave false details is the population saying no. Doubt it though!

448270 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to cloud6, #789 of 1824 🔗

There is no incentive for the public sector to be profitable. And hence be competent.

The only reason why you get some degree of competence is due to individuals valuing what they do.

448394 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to cloud6, #790 of 1824 🔗

No coincidence that Baroness Dido Harding of Track and Trace is married to John Penrose MP (more cronyism) who wants the NHS dismantled. They’re doing a sterling job of it.

448196 Liz F, replying to Liz F, 9, #791 of 1824 🔗

Apologies if already posted, but here is the Government’s reply to the vaccine passport petition (currently at around 262,300 signatures). They’re also debating it on Monday 15th March which can be followed on youtube (link further down). Given that Doris recognises there are “complex ethical issues” it will be interesting to see what they decide to do. I fear airlines, travel companies, sports venues etc will make their own rules demanding proof of vax in order to use their services though I sincerely hope not.

Dear XXXX,
The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “ Do not rollout Covid-19 vaccine passports ”.
Government responded:

The Government is reviewing whether COVID-status certificates could play a role in reopening parts of our economy, reducing restrictions on social contact and improving safety.

As set out in the roadmap by the Prime Minister, this review will include assessing to what extent certification would be effective in reducing risk, and the potential uses to enable access to settings or a relaxation of COVID-Secure mitigations. The Government will also consider the ethical, equalities, privacy, legal and operational aspects of this approach and what limits, if any, should be placed on organisations using certification. It will draw on external advice to develop recommendations that take into account any social and economic impacts, and implications for disproportionately impacted groups and individuals’ privacy and security. The Government will set out its conclusions in advance of Step 4 in order to inform the safe reopening of society and the economy.

As the Prime Minister has said, there are complex ethical issues – and we can’t discriminate against people who, for whatever reason, haven’t had a vaccine.

Cabinet Office

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

On Monday 15 March, MPs will debate vaccine passports, in response to this petition.
Watch the debate (from 4.30pm, Mon 15 March):
https://youtu.be/wtJqyDyuqhE

Read the debate transcript (available shortly after the conclusion of the debate): https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-03-15

Follow the Committee on Twitter and join the discussion using #VaccinePassportDebate: https://www.twitter.com/hocpetitions

The debate has been scheduled by the Petitions Committee will be led by Committee member Mike Hill MP. MPs from all parties can take part, and the Government will send a Minister to respond.

448274 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Liz F, 4, #792 of 1824 🔗

Translation: they’re going to do this if they think they can get away with it, the bastards.

448200 DanClarke, 10, #793 of 1824 🔗

Segregation in the UK with a domestic ID cannot be allowed, after fighting against segregation of any sort all over the world

448215 Richy_m_99, replying to Richy_m_99, 21, #795 of 1824 🔗

Quite frankly, I find the tone of a large nunber of the comments on here today offensive and hypocritical.

For the past year, the commenters on here have been arguing against a government led psi-ops campaign that has kept us inprisoned in our homes other than when they need us to keep serving their needs, or on the compassionate grounds of allowing a brief fresh air break or to buy essential supplies.

Today, on the basis of the publication of one study, the entire nareative changes. No longer us it about lockdowns or vaccines. All of a sudden it is about fat people and how they are obviously ruining every else’s lives. The government psi-ops have tapped into a well known prejudice, especially amoungst the younger generation, and turned it against us.

The number of times I have read today that the obese do not deserve health care, because we don’t look after ourselves. Yet the same wait anxiously for the pubs to re-open. How would they like it if we labelled them all alcholics who should be denied health services, because alcohol is a well know cause for demand of A & E services. How about denying anyone who takes drugs health services. Like I said, it’s hypocracy.

Quite frankly, if you think my appearence is offensive to you, then I find your opinion equally offensive. As for denying me health services, I pay for access to the health service just like anyone else. In fact, what I paid in deductions each year probably exceeds what many of you earn in a year. That isn’t a boast, it is a simple fact and the result of working for the same company for the last 42 years of my life, and no, I am not even a manager. I work for a living, and continued to do so throughout the March and April when many were cowering in their homes, hot desking with colleagues, having to share computers and phones, something that these days is regarded as having a death wish by the large number who still won’t set foot out of their homes without insisting that the rest of the world protect them.

I don’t ask for anything other than the right to the same live my life without being judged by others, simply based on their own ignorant views. You wouldn’t dare make the comments you are making if the said that racial background had an effect. It would rightly be called a hate crime. Well, a lot of what I’ve been reading today rises to a far worse level.

448219 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richy_m_99, 14, #796 of 1824 🔗

I’ve seen a lot of people not buying that narrative either. They are saying it’s just another way to blame the individuals rather than shine a light on the government fraud.

448226 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #797 of 1824 🔗

I agree with you.

The hare has been set running and we dutifully discuss it – when we could be discussing more relevant issues.

Obesity takes up ‘bandwidth’

448232 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Richy_m_99, 6, #798 of 1824 🔗

No one knows the true figure of Covid deaths because the data is corrupted if not made up.Everyone on here should realise this is not about a virus so shouldn’t get bogged down in fake government figures.

448256 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #799 of 1824 🔗

I can see your point, but I also think we are discussing an item in the news which is relevant to the current narrative. The majority of the discussions are to do with NHS policy actually causing more problems than helping.

I certainly do not see it as suddenly jumping on the obesity causes covid deaths bandwagon at the detriment of vaccines, passports, lockdowns etc.

If we do not discuss it and point out that the government almost blaming the “obese” are a problem then surely there is no pushback against what they are saying?

Being overweight should not be a cause for people to be cruel, but it should be allowed as a topic of discussion.

448258 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Richy_m_99, 9, #800 of 1824 🔗

Most of it is satire

448261 ▶▶ norwegian, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #801 of 1824 🔗

Norway had no excess deaths in 2020, many other countries had. This is of course a matter of health and obesity doesn’t help.

448263 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richy_m_99, 8, #802 of 1824 🔗

I would hope not many here have those kind of attitudes

I think most would be opposed to health fascism and government meddling in private choices

448267 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #803 of 1824 🔗

Question:

Do you really think that when people on here talk about restrictions for fat people they ACTUALLY believe in that?

Speaking for myself, I’m simply highlighting the consequences of forcing people to vaccinate and demonstrate their “immunity”. Once you open that can of worms, to save the NHS, then where do you stop?

That’s the only point I’m making. And most of what I read is in a similar vein.

448272 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #804 of 1824 🔗

Great post. You are so right.

Sadly many that ‘fat shame’ people and want to deny them access to healthcare are supporting the MSM and government propaganda. Shame on them! Thought that is what they fought against!

If being overweight is as easy as eating less then we would never have overweight people.

The government/NHS dietary guidelines are a sure recipe for weight gain. Doctors know nothing about nutrition and healthy eating

448301 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Richy_m_99, 4, #805 of 1824 🔗

I don’t think anyone on here is suggesting that people with high BMIs should be victimised. I hope not anyway.

We all know that once you victimise one group on health grounds, a hideous principle has been gained which will lead to Hell.

Fair enough for your making the post though, as it timely redresses a balance, and is a point well made.

448311 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #806 of 1824 🔗

There are two articles today ATL that describe how totalitarian regimes work on dividing their populations. This talk of an eroneous correlation between obesity and covid is just the latest in that approach. Its clearly just part of the psyop.
I have commented that if you overlay the nations applying HCQ regularly or not, you get a very good correlation with the death rates per nation, nothing to do with obesity.
However there probably is a correlation of death rates with the use of ACE inhibitors and Statins. These are given to people with heart problems and diabetese and other blood pressure related concerns in ever increasing quantities.
Countries that use calcium blockers have much lower incidence of covid deaths, ie Japan, Korea etc.
Rather than obesity, the searchlight should be trained on the criminal non-use of HCQ and Ivermectin in the anglosphere, plus the excessive use of ACE-inhibitors and statins.
The health ‘service’ is killing us, quite literally.

448541 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to peyrole, #807 of 1824 🔗

Silly to say nothing to do with obesity. We’ve all seen the photos.

I don’t disagree there are many other factors.But obesity is certainly a key one.

448321 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #808 of 1824 🔗

Agreed. Another witch hunt is the last thing we need right now.

448379 ▶▶ Hellonearth, replying to Richy_m_99, 3, #809 of 1824 🔗

I have argued against witch hunts of any sort as where does it stop?. Being against the fat/obese has become the latest band wagon for people to jump on. The smokers got it first, that has got boring now so the self righteous have to start on another group. I get so angry when I hear people say that smokers shouldn’t get treatment if they get a smoking related illness. These people have paid more in tax on those fags than will be spent on treating them, plus they are all going to die earlier so less pensions to pay out (not always the case but you get my drift). Should we say that someone who goes horse riding shouldn’t get treatment if they get thrown off and break their neck?, it is a risky hobby and they knew the dangers!.

People should stop judging constantly. Life is bloody hard and some people struggle, vices are not always easy to stop and ease the path for many. Good for those perfect people who live healthy virtuous lives with no bad habits, unfortunately most of us aren’t perfect and may or may not pay the price for that.

448554 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #810 of 1824 🔗

I’ve frequently raised the correlation between fatal outcome and obesity which is obvious and critcised the government for spending billions on test and trace but virtually nothing on emergency weight loss programmes for individuals who wish to lose weight.

And everyone knows racial background has an effect on disease whether its breast cancer in Ashkenazi Jewsih women or diabetes in certain African and South Asian populations or skin cancer in pale white people. No one sensible’s frightened of mentioning that.

Asking to live your life without being judged is asking a lot! People always assess each other. We’re primates – that’s what primates do. To start introducing “hate crime” into the discussion is hysterical and a classic PC ploy.

448221 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 8, #811 of 1824 🔗

The one thing that will bring ‘covid’ to an end will almost certainly have a major impact on obesity too.

Economic collapse.

Coming right at us with hyperinflation.

448227 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to rockoman, 6, #812 of 1824 🔗

I think that is the plan.Before Covid the western world was awash with debt.This manufactured crisis has given them the excuse to turn on the printing presses.They will print until hyper inflation gives them the excuse to install digital central bank currencies.

448250 ▶▶▶ norwegian, replying to jonathan Palmer, #813 of 1824 🔗

No matter what “they” come up with there’s no escaping the downturn due to limits. Limits to debt, cheap oil and many resources needed in our modern world …

448374 ▶▶▶ Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), replying to jonathan Palmer, #814 of 1824 🔗
448248 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to rockoman, #815 of 1824 🔗

Were food shortages one of the steps on the “leaked” Canadian document?

448262 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to rockoman, 1, #816 of 1824 🔗

There’s another Repo crash coming but they’ve shot the Covid wad now. Fun times ahead.

448452 ▶▶ iane, replying to rockoman, #817 of 1824 🔗

Of course, economic collapse will also drastically shorten people’s expected life-span – double whammy there!

448225 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 11, #818 of 1824 🔗

With all the talk of vaccination passports, did you know that, in Ireland, you cannot get a normal passport unless it’s an emergency? Yes, the passport office has been closed since end of December and will only open when level 5 lockdown restrictions are ended. There is no date for this, but it could be May. In the meantime, people who have applied for passports for themselves or their children have submitted documents into the passport office where they are being held. Even the phone lines are closed. There is nothing but a web chat facility. What a great way to stop people travelling. Already, people have been denied the ability to travel abroad to attend important family events such as funerals. The lack of documents is also hampering domestic activities such as mortgage applications. The backlog could take months to clear. More information here:

https://www.thejournal.ie/passport-service-delay-5371619-Mar2021/

448257 ▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 1, #819 of 1824 🔗

I’m absolutely baffled as to why the Irish public have largely acquiesced to the restrictions placed upon them. I can kind of understand it in the UK with all of the fear porn death figures touted, but that hasn’t happened in Ireland. What do you put that down to?

448268 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to leggy, #820 of 1824 🔗

I shall avoid saying the obvious. On this issue, there is no option but to accept it.

448269 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, 1, #821 of 1824 🔗

Shared language, social media, cultural commonalities mean that the Anglosphere is effectively one country.

448336 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to leggy, 2, #822 of 1824 🔗

It has happened in Ireland. The MSM are on full fear porn here and spewing bile against anyone breaching lockdown.

448260 ▶▶ stewart, replying to godowneasy, 2, #823 of 1824 🔗

North Korea.

448281 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to godowneasy, 1, #824 of 1824 🔗

Shocking! Yes the backlogs will be massive and will require additional staff and resources – more of our tax payer money.

Wonder if the current staff are all furloughed on full salaries?

448338 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Victoria, 1, #825 of 1824 🔗

No. The weasel worded statement issued stated that they were assigned to other duties. Given the level of business that has been closed down for a year now, I am at a loss to know what “other duties” they have been allocated to.

448285 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to godowneasy, 1, #826 of 1824 🔗

I have been waiting over a month to get a new UK passport even though helplines are still open for these.

448351 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to godowneasy, #827 of 1824 🔗

Same in the UK though, at least if you want your expiring foreign passport renewed.

448446 ▶▶ TJN, replying to godowneasy, 1, #828 of 1824 🔗

Thread hijack – glad to see you’re still here, after last night’s shenanigans. I posted on this earlier this morning, but am no wiser. Censorship seems to have eased off today though.

448603 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to TJN, 1, #829 of 1824 🔗

Thanks TJN – yes I saw your earlier post. I have seen no explanation either. I wait to see what happens next. I haven’t gone away but may stay low for a bit. BW

448757 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to godowneasy, #830 of 1824 🔗

Top Man (Gal?). Stay the course.

448228 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 48, #831 of 1824 🔗

Sent the following email to the headmaster re consent for testing:

Dear Mr ****,

I read the description of the dystopia to which the children are to be subjected on their return to school with abject, stunned horror. The psychological torture inflicted on the young seems to know no bounds, and the mass mental breakdown over a virus which poses an absolutely ZERO risk to children has now moved on to institutionalised Munchausen’s syndrome by proxy as defined below:

“ Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP) is a mental health problem in which a caregiver makes up or causes an illness or injury in a person under his or her care, such as a child, an elderly adult, or a person who has a disability. Because vulnerable people are the victims, MSBP is a form of child abuse or elder abuse.”

I expressly DO NOT give my consent to this, and will have nothing to do with endless, invasive testing which on this scale will render tens of thousands of false positives every week across the country . My daughter is of an age where she can give consent if she so wishes, I will not.

I would also like to ask whether a full written risk assessment has been carried out into the utterly abhorrent practice of forcing children to wear face masks for up to seven hours a day? If so, may I see it please? If not, when will one be carried out? I would like to remind you of the statement made by our lying charlatan of a prime minister on 25th of August last year regarding mask wearing in schools:

“But not in the classrooms because that is clearly nonsensical – you can’t teach with face coverings; you can’t expect people to learn with face coverings.”

In closing, I would like to offer the wisdom of Donald Henderson, the epidemiologist widely credited with the eradication of smallpox, in his masterful 2006 paper rejecting the lunatic theory of lockdown (Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza).

“Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted .”

Regards,

Jo Starlin

448238 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #832 of 1824 🔗

Great email!!!

448246 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #833 of 1824 🔗

Way to go, Jo!

448279 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #834 of 1824 🔗

Good one! Please let us know of any replies.

448290 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #835 of 1824 🔗

Or you could just not sign the consent form.

448397 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #836 of 1824 🔗

Terrific, Jo!

448585 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #837 of 1824 🔗

Brilliant!

449171 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Jo Starlin, #838 of 1824 🔗

This is one of the best responses/reactions that I have seen in the time since this farce began. I feel ‘left out’ for having missed this post until now. How this post is not at the top of the page I do not know. Fantastic post.

448235 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 12, #839 of 1824 🔗

Speaking of experimental Drug IDs, fair is fair.

448242 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to FerdIII, 3, #840 of 1824 🔗

Watch enthusiasm for all kinds of restrictions fade away if this was promoted for real.

448253 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Dame Lynet, 5, #841 of 1824 🔗

Do one for alcohol consumption, and all this craziness ends in days.

448252 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 3, #842 of 1824 🔗

Good meme
hammers home the point for the collaborators
Now do one for trannies

448286 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to FerdIII, #843 of 1824 🔗

Why the fat shaming?

That is what Government and MSM want you to do —> propaganda

448297 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, 12, #844 of 1824 🔗

It’s not fat shaming.
It’s government shaming in the form of satire.

448302 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Victoria, 9, #845 of 1824 🔗

It’s kind of implying the opposite i.e. “fat people wouldn’t deserve this treatment… so why would we put up with it for people who may or may not have a cold?”.

448318 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Victoria, 3, #846 of 1824 🔗

Reductio ad Absurdum

448387 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, 2, #847 of 1824 🔗

satire

448243 Prof Feargoeson, 1, #848 of 1824 🔗

Is that the Kelly Gang?

448255 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 8, #849 of 1824 🔗

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/uk-tax-burden-hit-highest-level-60s

With the difference that in the 1960s there was a much younger population, meaning a much broader tax base, that would go on to spend their working lives paying taxes.

We are now paying more tax in order to use more resources to tilt at windmills and slay imaginary dragons. This with a much older population and a collapsing birth rate.

448346 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to rockoman, #850 of 1824 🔗

Yep. And past crisises demanding public spending increases were real and inevitable. This one was entirely manufactured, and good money was, is and will continue to be thrown after bad.
Spending 100 billion annually on non-certified, non-standardized
and basicall random results providing testing strikes me as the height of folly and biggest waste of resources ever done by mankind.
Which is also why there is and will remain resistance to this and continued division instead of unity in and after this crisis, contrary to all prior such historic episodes.

448259 awildgoose, 1, #851 of 1824 🔗
448264 awildgoose, 5, #852 of 1824 🔗

Pro basketball team rolls out hand sanitizer cam:

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/03/04/watch-the-milwaukee-bucks-have-hand-sanitizer-cam-its-truly-awful/

This is just…I can’t even….

448276 Waldorf, replying to Waldorf, 12, #854 of 1824 🔗

Bob Moran, “Bob”, cartoonist in The Daily Telegraph , is attacked in the latest Private Eye as “Cartoon Villain” for his lockdown sceptic cartoons and Twitter comments. It is claimed that reporters at his newspaper think he is “endangering lives”. I wonder if they will keep him around much longer.

448287 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Waldorf, 16, #855 of 1824 🔗

Bob must know he’s being brave, with all that entails.

448298 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to mattghg, 8, #856 of 1824 🔗

Well, we have seen people like Hitchens and Swayne give ground, although I would not go as far as to call them traitors.
There are costs in going against the grain.
Private Eye is clearly very much controlled opposition, hardly opposition at all.

448307 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Waldorf, 9, #857 of 1824 🔗

Private Eye is 100% establishment

448313 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Julian, 3, #858 of 1824 🔗

In recent years, certainly. I suspect different wings of the Establishment use it for their feuds.

448331 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 2, #859 of 1824 🔗

“Satirist capture” seems to be a process a bit like regulatory capture.

448327 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Waldorf, 9, #860 of 1824 🔗

Private Eye acting as establishment bullies and conformity enforcers, as usual.

448493 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Mark, 3, #861 of 1824 🔗

Many people on this site have cancelled their Private Eye subscriptions

448583 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, 1, #862 of 1824 🔗

I stopped reading it many years ago because it was doing exactly what it is now doing to sceptics to other dissenters from politically correct orthodoxy. Most here didn’t, because they didn’t care then about heavy-handed pushing of establishment orthodoxy against dissenters whom they didn’t have any sympathy with.

It hasn’t changed (or rather it changed many years ago, not just with coronapanic madness). Its targets have just shifted a bit.

449162 ▶▶▶▶ FW, replying to Victoria, #863 of 1824 🔗

Yes!

448370 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Waldorf, 4, #864 of 1824 🔗

I’m so glad that I stopped subscribing to Private Eye.

448482 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Waldorf, 2, #865 of 1824 🔗

He’s got guts and integrity, and has known hard times. He’ll do ok.

Unlike The Telegraph , which I predict will soon find itself in trouble.

448538 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Waldorf, 6, #866 of 1824 🔗

Private Eye has morphed over the years, principally under the direction of Ian Hislop, into a globalist mouthpiece. This the mag that once defied the Krays and assorted malignant millionaires like Robert Maxwell and Tiny Rowlands.

I was appalled a few months back when I read one of its articles calling for more censorship of those not signed up to lockdown, masking and vaccination.

Hislop has pretty much single-handedly killed off satire in this country. There’s no one left even to be satirical about Private Eye calling for censorship.

448278 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 2, #867 of 1824 🔗

EU divided over vaxports:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-divided-over-covid-passports

Sadly the only division is over now or later, not yes or no.

448303 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to awildgoose, 2, #868 of 1824 🔗

Now or later. Travel or domestic too. Discriminating everyone who is unvaxxed or just those who don’t WANT to be. Discrimating how much, where, when, how exactly? Leaving the door open for businesses to discriminate on top of it? And so on.
But: What comes around goes around.
Hopefully, in case of the proponents, enablers, designers, legislators, executors, helpers etc. of them.

448280 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #869 of 1824 🔗

Israel and vaccinations. Starting a vaccination campaign when the cases are rising must be problematic for valuation of the efficiency of the vaccine. And there is no explanation for this astonishing graph of Israel and Palestine

448283 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #870 of 1824 🔗

Although there is evidence of at least 75 % protection in the elderly, there is not much evidence that even a 60% vaccination rate in the population will switch off transmission. Pfizer never promised that transmission should be reduced, only our politicians overstating the benefits and including things not promised

448422 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #871 of 1824 🔗

So, all things being equal they would have expected 75% more deaths in the elderly sans vaccine? Surely the Palestine data shows this up to be false?

448282 Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 8, #872 of 1824 🔗

Whoops. Justin Trudeau talks of “these new variants that are being developed”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axpWBdF1Jbw

448312 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #873 of 1824 🔗

Freudian slip?

448380 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #874 of 1824 🔗

I was impressed by the variations in his blackface routines

448284 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #875 of 1824 🔗

Are public health experts the greatest threat to public health?

448292 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Major Panic, 5, #876 of 1824 🔗

No contest.
As the Rabbi/Lawyer in the Corona Untersuchungsausschuss said:
“Public Health IS Nazism. It is the very definition of it.”

448289 JayBee, 6, #877 of 1824 🔗

https://www.rubikon.news/artikel/die-zweite-schopfung
This is an article in German elaborating on many observations by Hannah Arendt, which rhymes with the Belgian shrink’s one, that about crisis becoming a religion and the inevitable henchmen, like Judith Woods.
Totalitarianism develops through the hunger for power, on the back of a supra-idea which becomes accepted and then develops its own logical corset, which becomes even more important than the idea itself, and is executed by the means of the usual psy-op tricks.
Plus ca change.. ..

448294 Nessimmersion, 7, #878 of 1824 🔗

For the obesity “Look a squirrel” attempted distraction to be correct, all 8 Taiwanese who died with Covid must have been obese Yes/ No?

Its another special interest group pushing their hobby horse.
Yes obesity is often an indicator of poor health, low Vit D levels etc.
However remember that people officially defined as overweight live longer than those defined as normal weight.

448299 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 31, #879 of 1824 🔗

As it stands, everything they’re talking about doing is completely illegal. Vaccine passports, mandatory vaccinations, only being allowed to work if you get a vaccine, etc, etc. Whether they’ll change the laws to allow them to do these things, who knows, but at the moment, it’s all illegal.

We all know this anyway, but people seem to be preemptively doing things they don’t want to based solely on this fearmongering, with the biggest example being Peter Hitchens. It’s insane to me. Patience is a virtue and patience is going to become crucial to us over the coming months and years.

448304 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to John Galt, #880 of 1824 🔗

They will make them legal before the end of this year!

448309 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to TheClone, 10, #881 of 1824 🔗

Perhaps, but we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

448442 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to TheClone, 3, #882 of 1824 🔗

That’s why I am saving up my sick leave
6 months full
6 months half
up to 2 years b4 they can sack me
fuk ’em
no jab for me

448310 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to John Galt, 11, #883 of 1824 🔗

100% agree. This article in off Guardian (which several people have already linked to) lays out the score.

448323 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to mattghg, 5, #884 of 1824 🔗

Thanks for posting that, excellent article.

I particularly liked the quote “do as we say, and you’ll get a treat” – it shows how much of a childlike state people have fallen into that this now works on them.

448325 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to John Galt, 14, #885 of 1824 🔗

Mandatory masks are a medical intervention imposed without consent. That is a clear violation of the universally accepted human right to free consent to medical interventions.

On that basis, we live in a fascist state in which the law now is exactly as Hans Frank understood it to be.

Heil Johnson-Starmer! Covid heil!

448342 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Ovis, 12, #886 of 1824 🔗

Mandatory masks have no legal basis, hence why you or I can not wear a mask and it’s perfectly fine. I haven’t ever worn one and I have never had any issues.

At the moment a lot of what they’re attempting to impose on us is based solely on people policing themselves and/or not knowing the actual legality, or lack of, behind it.

448328 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to John Galt, 1, #887 of 1824 🔗

It appears most governments are going to allow businesses to impose WuFlu restrictions.

Most businesses and people will go along.

Those who go to court will have cases thrown out for, “no standing,” or, “being moot.”

Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

448349 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to awildgoose, 8, #888 of 1824 🔗

It appears
going to
will go
will have

This is my point. It’s likely, sure, and I’ve said numerous times on here over many months that this is what they’ll try to do, but as it stands, none of it is legal and none of us should make decisions based on this preemption.

448377 ▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to John Galt, 2, #889 of 1824 🔗

Totally agree with you. But there is a but.
The ATL article from Belgium described it well. The Totalitarian state only exists because people want it to. The psyop is to create a self-fulfilling ‘religion’ followed by the vast majority. In this society ‘rules’ supercede ‘laws’.
We are now at the cusp of a ‘anglosphere’ totalitarian regime. There will be some of us standing against it at the end, but history shows we will be cast aside by the mob. Its only until it falls apart because of internal or external stresses that any return to ‘the rule of law’ happens.
As China will be a competitor in this new totalitarian world order, the thing that will end it is likely to be horrific loss of life.

448456 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to awildgoose, #890 of 1824 🔗

None of these gimps will be able to spot a counterfeit vaxx cert.

448572 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #891 of 1824 🔗

For now.

The real problems start when they begin rolling out the apps with QR codes tied to central databases.

Those will be much harder to deal with. Boycotting may be the best option.

448315 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #892 of 1824 🔗

Johnson tweet, this is a joke, right? The comments are priceless.

https://twitter.com/borisjohnson/status/1367805321662631937?s=21

“We must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man.”

Churchill’s words in his famous Iron Curtain speech 75 years ago resonate as true today as they did in the post-war era. The UK stands by these values.

448322 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #893 of 1824 🔗

He has and always has stood for liberty. Lockdown didn’t happen. Or if it did, the virus did it. And anyway, Lockdown Is Freedom.

448334 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #894 of 1824 🔗

Maybe complete denial is the only way to sleep at night. He’s the ultimate lockdown denier.

448332 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #895 of 1824 🔗

Item No. 364 in the list of ‘things you can’t quite decide if they are parody or not’ 2020/21.

448343 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #896 of 1824 🔗

Is he having a bubble?

448352 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #897 of 1824 🔗

Good good. Let him make lots of these proclamations publicly.

448354 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #898 of 1824 🔗

Amusing to see part-time panicker Snowdon is back pretending to be a fearless advocate of liberty again.

Until the next time the numbers increase a bit and he wets himself again, no doubt.

448367 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Mark, #899 of 1824 🔗

Liberty once suited me
Until I dropped it like a hot brick
Now it’s back, ‘cause I’m a prick

448384 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fear is Finite, 2, #900 of 1824 🔗

If it’s a joke it’s in very poor taste.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, right?

448316 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 3, #901 of 1824 🔗

“Is Obesity to Blame For the High Covid Death Toll?”
“With the bottom right now filled in with all the countries with high obesity but low Covid mortality, the result looks distinctly less impressive.”

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Aaargh, typical MSM ‘the science’ single factor ‘explanations’.

The complete data set is actually very informative and illustrates the multi-factor nature of the high covid mortality. Below 50% of population >25 kg/m2, there is consistent low mortality. Above that, the mortality is distinctly variable, with instances of very high mortality. So what could be going on? Is there a dietary quality influence, eg McDonalds-diet versus Mediterranen-diet? What about co-morbidities? Are they factored out? What about geographical location? Age distribution?

“It may be helpful to realise that the countries in the bottom left consist almost entirely of the African and South East Asian countries, which are already known (for reasons that remain somewhat mysterious) to have had a very different pandemic to the rest of the world.”

That suggests a possible geographic effect, but is it actually a dietary effect, for example? Or maybe a population age-distribution effect?

Colour-coding may help tease out answers eg good (non-western) versus bad (western) diet, etc, etc. Endless hours of fun for the data analysts!

448337 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #902 of 1824 🔗

“It may be helpful to realise that the countries in the bottom left consist almost entirely of the African and South East Asian countries, which are already known (for reasons that remain somewhat mysterious) to have had a very different pandemic to the rest of the world.”

That suggests a possible geographic effect, but is it actually a dietary effect, for example? Or maybe a population age-distribution effect?

Or actually a different way of recording covid deaths?

448355 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #903 of 1824 🔗

Very good correlation with use of HCQ, ie all the nations showing low covid death rates.
There will be other factors, but this one stands out.

448517 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ken Garoo, #904 of 1824 🔗

I am sure obesity is a strong factor in Covid mortality and hospitalisations. We’ve all seen hundreds of photos on TV of “victims” and even from those the correlation is pretty clear. I personally knew of a man in his late 20s who died from Covid – he was grossly overweight. Our PM at 17 stone and not that tall was a good example of someone obese nearly coming a cropper.

Those graphs aren’t actually linking individual obsesity to fatal cases are they? They are looking at prevalence in the general population and fatal outcomes. I think if you looked at pre-Covid weight and outcomes of Covid infection, the correlation with negative outcomes would be much clearer.

But there are a lot of factors at play here.

One factor is probably Vitamin D deficiency. This can relate to cultural practice, ethnicity, geographical location and diet (eg. oily fish is a good source of Vitamin D).

Another is probably exercise. Not all obese people are probably as inactive as our homegrown population who love their sofas and their home delivered food. Of course I am talking national caricatures here but I get the impression fat Germans still get out and about and exercise much more in comparison with British fatties. Also fat people from Mediterranean countries might love their spaghetti or whatever but they will neverthless likely be on a much healthier diet.

449015 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Ken Garoo, #905 of 1824 🔗

Fake test, fake stats, fake virus, fake EVERYTHING, apart from the state-sanctioned abuse and murder.

448317 gina, replying to gina, 20, #906 of 1824 🔗

Any suggestions gratefully received…
My daughter’s frantic. She sent the Law or Fiction template letter to her son’s school at the beginning of this week.

She’s just received a standard letter in reply, informing all parents that although some parents have objected, masks must be worn in school – though the head states that this is not ideal and hopes that the measure will be temporary.

He states in the letter that unmasked children will be taught in alternative rooms and will access parts of the lessons online.
He also states that only ‘medical’ exemptions will be accepted.

The school is the Trumpington Community College in Cambs. The head is a Mr Oughton.May the Gods damn his eyes!

My daughter is a broke single parent, already stretched to breaking point by the loss of all her gigs for the past year.

I’ve given her the link for Lawyers for Liberty and I have sent an email to Law or Fiction.

Does anyone know what the next step should be?
I’d be so grateful for any assistance.

448344 ▶▶ Julian, replying to gina, 17, #907 of 1824 🔗

Easy for me to say but I would suggest your daughter calls his bluff and says that any segregation is unacceptable and that masks are only guidance

448356 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Julian, 13, #908 of 1824 🔗

Yes, it’s a game of cat and mouse. They know that there’s no legal basis behind it but they’re assuming that you’ll give up after a reply or two. Like Julian says, it’s easy to say it, but call their bluff. It may result in having to go to the school and it’s going to take some courage. Go along to the meeting with your daughter, perhaps.

448401 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to John Galt, 2, #909 of 1824 🔗

Good thinking. Thanks.

448396 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Julian, #910 of 1824 🔗

yes. This is my thought too – thanks for the confirmation.

448360 ▶▶ leggy, replying to gina, 7, #911 of 1824 🔗

Us4Them might be able to offer some advice. Good luck and best wishes.

448395 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to leggy, 1, #912 of 1824 🔗

Thank you – good suggestion. I had forgotten about Us4Them. Will do.

448381 ▶▶ Annie, replying to gina, 10, #913 of 1824 🔗

Actually, kids with faces will be better off together, away from the minizombies. Which group is going to have more fun?

448440 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Annie, 3, #914 of 1824 🔗

The ones with faces will be the cool ones!

448847 ▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Alice, #915 of 1824 🔗

Right now my 15 year old grandson doesn’t feel cool.
He feels anxious and fearful and conflicted. He doesn’t want to wear a mask, is upset that his mum is angry and distressed and he desperately wants to see his friends and for things to be normal and not a problem.

448388 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to gina, 7, #916 of 1824 🔗

Ask to see the separation facilities and take pictures. Start letting social media know about their approach to education.

They are wrong on so many fronts. They cannot even ask what medical exemption anyone has. Exempt means that. And there is nowhere in the guidance that says segregating kids is advised. They are sick and need help.

448399 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #917 of 1824 🔗

Thats a great idea – thanks I will pass it on. And I agree.

448405 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to TJN, 2, #919 of 1824 🔗

Thanks very much – appreciate the help.The link is winging its way to daughter.

448407 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to gina, 5, #920 of 1824 🔗

Good luck. Stay firm. This lot don’t know how to deal with people who stand their ground, and mean it.

448415 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to TJN, 2, #921 of 1824 🔗

Bless you.

448461 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to gina, 1, #922 of 1824 🔗

Don’t give in that is what they bargain on. Your daughter must write back and state that she does not give consent and that any physical or mental damage that you child suffers will be on them.

There is no such a thing as medical exemption only exemption for face coverings as per government guideline. The school must also provide her with a risk assessment re the safety of wearing masks. Somewhere it states that masks should only be worn for sessions of 20 min. Then when wash hands before putting a clean mask on etc

She must also register the school’s details on this site https://pcrclaims.co.uk/masks-in-schools
They will write a letter to the school ‘drawing a line in the sand’ for future claims if it ever gets to that. You won’t be identified. The U.K. medical freedom open letters are attached that will educate them as well.

Best Wishes

448851 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Victoria, #923 of 1824 🔗

Thank you so much for this info and for taking the time. Will pass your message on. Very much apreciated.

448522 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to gina, 2, #924 of 1824 🔗

Gina, – well firstly I too know people who are struggling seriously as a result of the Government’s measures, financially and mentally, so my best wishes to your daughter & yourself, I know it cannot be easy.

There’s some excellent advice in the other comments, I would totally concur. Stand your ground & do not be bullied. They are breaking the law and they know it…if they don’t know it, that is inexcusable because they ought to know the relevant legislation pertaining to what they do every day!
if they ask reasoning about exemptions, they are violating the Equality Act 2010 (unless they are a registered eg. Police or designated Health officer, nobody has any right to question any reason for exemption). If they repeatedly question exemptions, they are probably also violating the Harassment Act 1997.
In view of this, just tell the school the truth – which is that you [your daughter] will not accept this, & if necessary you will not hesitate to pursue all avenues towards a legal remedy.

Personally also, I would get everything in writing where you can – to the Head, or Year Head, or whomever, by name, and send it registered post. Had an argument with a big company recently,who apparently would have loved to deal with my complaint but lost the correspondence. When I produced a tracking receipt that indicated they had signed for the letter, they found it right away. that was obviously lucky of them. 🙂
Best –

448857 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #925 of 1824 🔗

Thank you so much for your post. I have sent it on.
My daughter says she’s very touched by the good wishes from LDS – as I am.

448324 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 4, #926 of 1824 🔗

This is excellent: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1367520791559081984.html

Worth sending to friends who haven’t seen the light yet perhaps? Or at least some MPs?

448382 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to kenadams, #927 of 1824 🔗

My MP has ignored every single communication I’ve ever sent him.

448488 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #928 of 1824 🔗

Yet I bet if you check their expenses register they claim a bucket-load for stationery & ‘constituent correspondence’.

448553 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #929 of 1824 🔗

I wrote to mine (Con), twice concerning covid, including masks and vaccines, but as she is now a junior minister and though she did reply both times, I might just as well have written to Wankjob.

448341 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 9, #930 of 1824 🔗

I know you’re probably all watching UKC now but there is still time to mess this poll up, the choices, have you been offered a jab? Yes or not OR I WON’T HAVE ONE…No need to log in or sign up just click to subvert. If you clear you cookie cache you can vote more than once!

Let it RIP!!!

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/poll/poll/33896/poll-have-you-had-been-invited-for-a-covid-vaccination-jab.html

448350 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), replying to Two-Six, 3, #931 of 1824 🔗

Done and done again

448376 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 3, #932 of 1824 🔗

3 times a charm

448345 leggy, replying to leggy, 13, #933 of 1824 🔗

Today, I have to admit defeat. Some of you may recall that my Mum was rather ill after her AZ jab. Well, my Dad is full of cold three weeks after his Pfizer one too. I’ve never heard him so bunged up and I don’t even remember the last time he was ill. Could be a coincidence of course, or could be that the jab knocked his immune system on it’s arse as we’ve already seen is likely.

Anyway – Mum won’t speak to the Dr., not even to report the adverse reactions. “It’s just the antibodies working through my system”. They’re both “looking forward” to their 2nd jabs. Despite me trying to use the govt’s own “1st jab 90% effective” line. I can only hope for the best.

In other news, this from Chris Crutch pretty well sums up my position on it all.

https://dollarvigilante.tv/videos/watch/de096c8e-ad8e-44ee-a1aa-3942a9d0c65e?api=1

448357 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to leggy, 14, #934 of 1824 🔗

I believe in freedom. That includes the freedom of others to do things that I might consider unwise

We all have a free will. Everyone can choose to take the jab or not, that is their choice

448501 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #935 of 1824 🔗

I broadly agree Cecil, I don’t think anyone who favours democracy could be anti-personal choice.

However, I fear that my folks, like many others have not truly given informed consent in the matter. Instead, they’ve been hooked by the many untruths promulgated by govt, the NHS and in the media.

It’s therefore particularly worrying and frustrating for me that they’ve so readily resigned themselves to jab 2. Especially given that jab 1 has been shortly followed by illness. As I said, I can only hope for the best.

448544 ▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to leggy, 1, #936 of 1824 🔗

I wonder how many folk have based their ‘informed consent’ on the basis of the little pamphlet: Covid-19 vaccination a guide for older adults, too.
I received my ‘invitation’ on Monday (which I will not be taking up thanks very much).
That pamphlet that comes with the letter is just pure propaganda in my view.
The vaccine has been shown to be effective and no safety concerns were seen in studies of more than 20,000 people.
FFS!

448668 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to leggy, 1, #937 of 1824 🔗

You cannot terrorise the population over a virus hardly worse than flu and then claim that informed consent has been given when frightened people clamour for the fake remedy.

There is no such thing as informed consent in current circumstances.

448373 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to leggy, 8, #938 of 1824 🔗

Hope they get better.
The Covid cult have a lot to answer for

448464 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, #939 of 1824 🔗

You can complete the yellow card

448940 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to leggy, 1, #940 of 1824 🔗

A very good watch, thanks

448347 Cecil B, 32, #941 of 1824 🔗

Remember

Remember the corrupt politicians
Remember the violent police
Remember the paid for scientists
Remember the dishonest press

Remember

Never forget

448353 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #942 of 1824 🔗

The chubby discrimination needs to stop, there is only one fatty keeping us in lockdown, it is the Johnson, manipulated by handjob. We are being distracted & misdirected, if you buy into this nonsense come June it’ll be, “ fat lives matter ” & we’ll be in another lockdown after the seasonal vaccines fail to prevent the lardy variant.

FREEEDOM! When do we want it?

448361 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #943 of 1824 🔗

March 2020

448467 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #944 of 1824 🔗

Exactly! Just ignore it is a red herrin

448358 mj, 10, #945 of 1824 🔗

im on a watsap group with stepbrother and stepsister to monitor my stepfather. All are late middle age . Stepbrother (in New Zealand) “just had vaccine. all right so far”. Stepsister in UK ” and ive just had a test – negative”.
Me. i was going to post “never had a test. Not having vax” but decided not to wind anyone up.

448362 Edward, replying to Edward, 13, #946 of 1824 🔗

Right, I’m just going out for a 10 mile walk. Better call up that police helicopter.

448411 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Edward, 8, #947 of 1824 🔗

The Rona drones have been dispatched you pestilent oik

448451 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Edward, 2, #948 of 1824 🔗

Should raise a goodly bit for the NHS.

448393 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #949 of 1824 🔗

Had a reply to my email to the headmaster (who to be fair has always been a decent sort):

Good morning Mr Starlin

Thank you for your e-mail. The risk assessment for re-opening, including the Lateral Flow Test information will be available on our website from Monday. I remove Svetlana’s name from the consent list.

Many thanks and God bless,

Mr ***

448435 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #950 of 1824 🔗

Is that a private school? I can’t imagine a state school headmaster writing “God bless”!

448460 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Alice, 2, #951 of 1824 🔗

Catholic state school.

448398 Fear is Finite, 13, #952 of 1824 🔗

David Perks, the Headmaster who said no to forced mask wearing, they’re coming after him. He stays high up the Hero’s list in the Hero’s versus Villains stakes.

https://twitter.com/unlocked_uk_/status/1367825093724934144?s=21

448402 Essie, replying to Essie, 21, #953 of 1824 🔗

Thanks to all you LDS for keeping me sane over the last year.

I have a cunning plan..
How about LDS set up a scientific experiment, open to all, we can be the Natural History Group i.e. we receive no vaccine intervention and are allowed to carry on life as normal.

The basis of the scientific experiment is to prove the “efficacy” of the vaccine as the NH group will be more likely to catch Covid 19 and be more ill with it.

On the basis that the Pfizer Vaccine testing does not finish until 2023 – 24 months after phase 2/3 we could run our experiment until November 2023.

We could see ourselves as heroes – sacrificing ourselves for the good of the population as a whole – proving how good their vaccine is…

If you think this has legs let me know….and will involve some real scientists in the process as it would need to be correctly set up.

448406 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Essie, 1, #954 of 1824 🔗

The ‘ control group ‘, has certain connotations i’m uncomfortable with.

448423 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Anti_socialist, #955 of 1824 🔗

well the jabbed can be the controlled group

448408 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Essie, #956 of 1824 🔗

Don’t give them ideas they will have us all in a camp

449284 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Essie, #957 of 1824 🔗

It has legs.

448404 Annie, replying to Annie, 13, #958 of 1824 🔗

One more item in a list of atrocities that must stretch round the globe by now.
ApThey will answer for every one of them.
Every. Single. One.

448793 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, #959 of 1824 🔗

God I hope so.

Damn them all.

448412 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 25, #960 of 1824 🔗

Up at the crack of dawn tomorrow for a PCR test. Yes me. It’s part of the ritual for going into hospital next week to have a defective part replaced. Pre-op was last Wednesday. Easily won the no mask debate. I never go anywhere near any kind of authority, real or imagined, these days unarmed. There’s a sheaf of Equalities Act 2010, Sections 112 & 119, etc in my pocket at all times. Sadly – no need. After tomorrow it’s isolate before going in Tuesday. I want this done, but if necessary there will the full 20 minute argument at every stage. I’ve paid me money. Unless I upset the anaesthetist too much, I shall report back.

448416 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #961 of 1824 🔗

Is it a mouth swab or the q-tip in the brain?
would never have the latter

448667 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #962 of 1824 🔗

The anal swab might actually be safer. Yikes!

449277 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Crystal Decanter, #963 of 1824 🔗

PCR

448477 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #964 of 1824 🔗

Rinse your mouth with hydrogen peroxide prior to test to prevent a false positive

448483 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #965 of 1824 🔗

I’ve had my private surgery cancelled 3 times after giving up on the NHS as they cancelled me for many years.. The first cancellation was because I refused the PCR test. I then found a different private hospital who would do a throat swab (I have had nasal surgery and have severe nosebleeds) but now the NHS has commandeered private beds again so cancelled. The NHS took over private beds last year at a whopping £400m per month although most went unused. Now they’re at it again since hospitals are Covid-19 only. It seems that they can stop any of us being treated, even if we pay. I am certain that soon it will be ‘no vaccine, no surgery’.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/finance-and-efficiency/leaks-reveal-two-thirds-of-private-hospital-capacity-went-unused-by-nhs/7029000.article

449275 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Mutineer, #966 of 1824 🔗

Me too. This is the third date, but in fairness this was brought forward as the got the hospital back early. Before the announcement of the latest figures a couple of weeks ago. So they knew quite some time ago.

448534 ▶▶ Annie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #967 of 1824 🔗

ery best wishes, James. Hope your replacement part is up to scratch (supposing you want to scratch it, that is).

449270 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Annie, #968 of 1824 🔗

Ta! It’s a new leg hinge so that might be difficult unless they forget to do bits …

448565 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #969 of 1824 🔗

How do you know they won’t jab you when you are under?

449268 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Andrew K, #970 of 1824 🔗

I’m going to tell them I’ll sue.

448645 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #971 of 1824 🔗

I appreciate that it may be impossible to find a hospital that won’t force you to have a PCR test and that you want the operation more than that, but you’re not actually going to isolate are you?

Will you ask some sensible questions about the PCR test first please? What is the sensitivity? What is the specificity? How many cycles are they going to run it at? Why are they using it in this way when WHO now says not to? Etc

449267 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #972 of 1824 🔗

I’m told they check up on you like the plod although apart from a phone call I don’t see how. I’m also told they have been known to cancel ops for people that don’t cooperate, but I reckon that’s propaganda.

448417 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 30, #973 of 1824 🔗

Facebook comment

448429 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #974 of 1824 🔗

This is quite a powerful position. We should circulate it widely.

448431 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #975 of 1824 🔗

so the ‘complications’ wont be put down to ‘covid’ like they are in nursing homes

448432 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #976 of 1824 🔗

They also don’t cover places for liability if someone gets Covid (whatever that is determined as). And I suspect they will not cover harm caused by Covid measures as it is Health and Safety who determined this. And as AG has commented many times, it’s not backed by science.

448433 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to mhcp, 2, #977 of 1824 🔗

Yes, we’re talking about hardnosed insurance policies here, motivated by the bottom line – and thus by truth, not by propaganda.

448436 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #978 of 1824 🔗

A related issue.

Any commercial entity normally insures itself against liability as a result of its operations.

We know that the pharma companies are indemnified by government.

Surely, it would have been possible for them to commercially insure themselves against losses due to compensation for vaccine injuries.

If not, why not?

448437 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #979 of 1824 🔗

Another string to our bow

448479 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, #980 of 1824 🔗

https://pandemic.solari.com/family-financial-disclosure-form-for-covid-19-injections/

This financial disclosure form is useful. Walks you through the implications and were the financial burden should fall if you are killed by the vaccine or left disabled

448485 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #981 of 1824 🔗

Great! Vaccine is experimental and therefore insurance company won’t pay out.

Think that initially insurance companies won’t challenge, but as many more people die they will have to

448528 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PastImperfect, #982 of 1824 🔗

Ha ha ha!

448425 isobar, 16, #983 of 1824 🔗

DM readers think wearing one is pointless too – sense at last?

Why wearing two face coverings may be pointless: Double-masking ‘is only slightly better at stopping the spread of Covid particles than relying on one’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9328747/Japan-supercomputer-shows-doubling-masks-offers-little-help-preventing-viral-spread.html

Best rated readers comment:

Wearing one mask is pointless

320 upticks  27 downticks

Other best rated comments much the same

448426 peterthepainter, 8, #984 of 1824 🔗

Just had a look at the website of our grandchildren’s school. Looks to me that they are being very sensible and accepting that some pupils will not be taking the test. Very different from some of the school letters I have seen.

There is no mention of masks, or distancing etc.in any of the documents that I have looked at.

448428 JohnB, 5, #985 of 1824 🔗

Judith Woods = Rita Skeeter.

Does she have an email, anyone ?

448434 isobar, replying to isobar, 10, #986 of 1824 🔗

COVID-19: Waterstones and Amazon urged to add warning tags as anti-vaccination book sales surge


http://news.sky.com/story/waterstones-and-amazon-urged-to-add-warning-tags-as-anti-vaccination-book-sales-surge-12234972

448438 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to isobar, 4, #987 of 1824 🔗

Oh now, which is it? Is it misinformation (they are perhaps trying to avoid being sued by the authors?) or disinformation? I would say it’s something the soviet doesn’t want you to read, and that’s all.Interesting that Amazon and Foyles might be considered the soviet…

448459 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to this is my username, 4, #988 of 1824 🔗

It’s actually quite a curious article because providing you didn’t watch the ‘anti-disinformation’ video embedded in the article it’s actually quite a good advert for the books in question, including readers reviews and star ratings.

448489 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to isobar, 4, #989 of 1824 🔗

If they do, boycott them

448507 ▶▶ stewart, replying to isobar, 4, #990 of 1824 🔗

No warning signs on Mein Kampf though

448533 ▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 2, #991 of 1824 🔗

Did Dr Seuss write any of them?
Green snake oil and spam?

448665 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to isobar, 1, #992 of 1824 🔗

Funny how they’re apparently happy to continue selling the books, though. Keep the profit going!

448439 assoc, replying to assoc, 10, #993 of 1824 🔗

At a time when Government is spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave, I can’t help wondering if the 1% offered to the nurses is deliberately designed to bring them out on strike, I just can’t see why!! Any ideas?

448444 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to assoc, 4, #994 of 1824 🔗

It does seem almost calcuated to provoke, running counter, as it does, to the government narrative – frontline heroes etc.

448466 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to rockoman, 4, #995 of 1824 🔗

Yes, however though look at the headlines since approx. Christmas – slowly slowly the stories are feeding through; NHS put DNR’s on elderly patients; DNR’s on people with learning disabilities, quite a few stories about people under the age of eg. 35 dying with serious illnesses like Cancer where treatment was in several cases explicitly denied, now the questioning of death certificates, etc…

448455 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to assoc, 2, #996 of 1824 🔗

To blame the treatment backlog on them not the Medical Dictatorship’s policies? “We were making good progress on clearing the ops backlog till those pesky nurses went on strike.”

448471 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to assoc, 2, #997 of 1824 🔗

Track and Trace bill now sits at £37bn, did I hear that right? 37 thousand million?

448492 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #998 of 1824 🔗

Is that the thing designed to be used in all the places that they have shut?

448505 ▶▶ stewart, replying to assoc, 4, #999 of 1824 🔗

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the country is completely bankrupt.

Or that tonnes of nurses haven’t shown up for work because they are “isolating”

Or that they want to drive nurses to external contractors.

448643 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to assoc, #1000 of 1824 🔗

Will anyone notice a difference, treatments are not being done in hospital, vast numbers of staff are off sick self isolating, the hospitals are not overwhelmed.

448443 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 8, #1001 of 1824 🔗

Some of you may recall that a few says ago I posted that I have started to fancy Laura Perrins and Governor Noem, as much for what they say as how they look.

Well, to add to that (with bells on), the full-on smokin’ hot Beverley Turner also appears to be full-on sceptic judging by her Twitter feed. She’s even talking about the 4th Industrial Revolution and micro-chips etc.

448445 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to kenadams, #1002 of 1824 🔗

All you women sceptics out there – who is the hottest male celebrity sceptic?

448457 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to kenadams, 3, #1003 of 1824 🔗

Me! 🙂

448465 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to kenadams, 4, #1004 of 1824 🔗

I have a secret crush on Freddie Sayer’s, does that count?

448476 ▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, #1005 of 1824 🔗

And Kristi Noem’s arms. That might be more envy though…

448510 ▶▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to kenadams, 4, #1006 of 1824 🔗

Gotta be Ivor! 🔥

448725 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, #1007 of 1824 🔗

OMG, yes! I love that man.

448453 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to kenadams, 7, #1008 of 1824 🔗

Beautiful women don’t want to be masked.

It runs counter to everything wholesome and natural.

Only ugliness wishes to be masked.

The mask is the great leveller in that respect.

448608 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Annie, 1, #1010 of 1824 🔗

Thanks for that Annie, it’s quite hard to find Harrison Bergeron in print as a stand alone story. Susan Michie is our Diana Moon Glampers!

448462 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to kenadams, 5, #1011 of 1824 🔗

Kristi Noem 👍 , + don’t forget Tulsi Gabbard !

448470 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kenadams, 3, #1012 of 1824 🔗

Who said Kristi Noem? where? where?? love her! 🙂

448475 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kenadams, 3, #1013 of 1824 🔗

Sherelle Jacobs of course, although she’s been a bit off the boil recently.

And I do fancy Julia HB, when she’s on form.

Kristi has to be Queen though.

448487 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to TJN, 5, #1014 of 1824 🔗

I’ll second that. She has more balls in her little finger than our PM and his cabinet have in their trousers.

448447 Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, 24, #1015 of 1824 🔗

Just watched the UK column, absolutely no point in trying to stop our government stopping Vaccine passports when it’s obviously a in the elite global playbook. This is really really depressing. How the fuck are we going to get out of this. Time for war.

PS wouldn’t surprise me if peter kitchens and Lard conSumption were all part of this.

448454 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Andrew K, 15, #1016 of 1824 🔗

what would stop vaccine passports dead in the water would the masses losing trust in vaccines, which would follow a vaccine disaster

448463 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Major Panic, 7, #1017 of 1824 🔗

Vaccine disasters are happening left right and centre but non it that is making it to the masses.

448472 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1018 of 1824 🔗

I see the number of resultant deaths are up to 450 now.

448539 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Richy_m_99, 5, #1019 of 1824 🔗

Would I be correct in thinking that this is a similar number to the number of healthy under 65s that have died of any cause within 28days of a positive test? Wonder what the sheeple would make of that if they opened their little brains to it?

448787 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1020 of 1824 🔗

It’s when the younger cohorts start getting it and dying or suffering serious injuries that it will become too hard to keep a lid on. They can find any amount of reasons some 80 yr old popped their clogs but a fit and healthy 25 yr old? These are the people who we need to refuse uptake to stop the CovviPass crap in its tracks.

448469 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew K, 21, #1021 of 1824 🔗

Isn’t it strange how the vocal critics Hitchens, Swayne and Sumption have all capitulated in the same week?

448474 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1022 of 1824 🔗

The machine behind this juggernaut is just too big. There must be something in this global takeover playbook that they’ve overlooked, something FFS

448494 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1023 of 1824 🔗

Yes – the fact that top-down central planning is always inefficient.

448498 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to rockoman, 2, #1024 of 1824 🔗

Is it top-down central planning, or has every aspect of society been primed for this for the last 20 odd years. Now wondering is facebook, twitter etc were not just an accident of invention but all part of this as well.

448752 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1025 of 1824 🔗

I have seen this before. If genuine, then proof that whole operation is planned.

Covid-19 test kits purchased/distributed in 2018.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/1GvHI7JsPjBf/

448557 ▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Andrew K, 10, #1026 of 1824 🔗

It almost feels as though there is something larger than man at work in this mess…some powerful, evil universal force that is driving all this insanity.

448495 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1027 of 1824 🔗

I don’t think any of them stated explicitly they would never have the vaccine. The case of Hitchens was somewhat different because he made clear he was capitulating – reluctantly getting the vaccine now, claiming that vaccine passporting was inevitable and that, more generally, the battle of lockdown was lost, and we might as well forget about it all. It was Hitchens’ gratuitous defeatism that offended. I don’t think either Swayne or Sumption have resiled from their basic positions, respectively, that lockdowns are doing too much economic and social damage to be justified or that the UK lockdowns breach fundamental human rights without good cause.

448509 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to OKUK, 11, #1028 of 1824 🔗

Sumption has agreed to discrimination/segregation on the basis of vaccines. I have to think Swayne and Hitchens are in that category now, go along to get along. Truly pathetic to cave this early.

They are some posters here today saying schools are intending segregating masked and non masked kids. That’s absolutely going to happen with vaccine unless we do something now. First you and me, then our kids.

448496 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #1029 of 1824 🔗

Perhaps they weren’t really as much on the resistance side as they wanted people to think. It srikes me as quite weak of them to be honest- if they are doing it for travel. We can’t go anywhere right now anyway and when it comes to it- there may be other ways and means… Travel somewhere that doesn’t impose them, many deveopling countries cannot afford to and already Greece are saying well perhaps a vaccine or a negative test to visit. That may change if a Europe wide system is brought in but how effective will they be in reality when many Europeans are shunning the vaccine..

448473 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1030 of 1824 🔗

If only they could get rid of Blair who is obsessed with this,banged on about it for years. Johnson on the other hand said when the subject came up years ago, if someone asked if for his ID papers in the street he would eat them

448478 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to DanClarke, 7, #1031 of 1824 🔗

Already being introduced in NY and LA, Israel, Australia, Greece, Cyprus, Indonesia, EU. This has fuck all to do with Johnson or Blair. I’m sorry to be so blunt about this.

448486 ▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1032 of 1824 🔗

Yes agree, but Blair is one of the main puppets

448548 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry Chara, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1033 of 1824 🔗

Hi Dickhead son is Director of a company that will make Millions from this ‘Passport’ look it up

448481 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DanClarke, 9, #1034 of 1824 🔗

I disagree
The more “Miranda” Blair pipes up the better
That gimp is toxic and an asset to our side

448778 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DanClarke, #1035 of 1824 🔗

… so, we know that Johnson would definitely go along with the idea 🙂

448480 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Andrew K, 19, #1036 of 1824 🔗

A vaccine passport cannot work effectively if enough people (and globally) say no to a vaccine. Sadly the two you mention have now given up on this despite being so vocal against restrictions etc so no point in giving them any time or thought. Yes saying no means short term pain if you can’t travel etc, but the benefit will pay off and that includes keeping your health rather than taking the risk of a potential life changing adverse reaction. I appreciate it is difficult and not very practicable for some and there maybe pressure with work, an upcoming medical procedure, family overseas etc. But if enough say no to them and indeed no to all restrictions then it cannot work or not very well and will come tumbling down. I don’t judge anyone who actually has had or wants a vaccine and I know quite a few now, just trying to look at the bigger picture.

448619 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Suzyv, 4, #1037 of 1824 🔗

I agree. I don’t think those high profile folks caving in are going to make a dent in those who are refusing out of principle.
I also believe the whole ‘passport’ talk will have been an own goal and is what has woken a lot of people up to the sinister side of it. If the groundswell of refusers is big enough, like you say, the passport won’t work.
Also if people need more and more vaccines to deal with scariants, how can a passport keep up?!

448490 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Andrew K, 4, #1038 of 1824 🔗

40pct of israeli’s vaccinated (80pct over 60s) and the lunatic public health moron talking about 4th lockdown as R rate is above 1 (1.01).
https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-transmission-rate-rises-above-1-virus-czar-says-4th-lockdown-a-possibility/

448499 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to Andrew K, 22, #1039 of 1824 🔗

The worst part is neither you nor I or anyone on this site has done anything wrong. We are in effective house arrest having committed no crime. We are refrained from enjoying the most basic of human desires despite playing our lawful part in British society up until March 2020.

I have been down this rabbit hole and decried my luck however it is pointless. There is no point feeling sorry for ourselves and hard done by. Totalitarian regimes are not designed to have empathy. There is no fairness or right and wrong in such a regime there is an ends that they are pursuing and everything else is a collateral means. We have to accept that it is inherintly unfair through no fault of our own.

Sorry if this may digress from your point. I wholeheartedly agree we as a people need to rise up and reject this.

448506 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JHUNTZ, 11, #1040 of 1824 🔗

Agree with everything you say, but I will never accept defeat. NEVER EVER! Now I’m beginning to understand the mentality of suicide bombers.

448546 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Andrew K, #1041 of 1824 🔗

I’m not empathising with suicide bombers. However I can now empathise with self-immolating Tibetan monks.

448576 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1042 of 1824 🔗

I was thinking I would get myself arrested at a demo, and you know how all the pigs surround you and block off anybody filming it. Then BOOOOM a few flying pigs, some sizzled bacon. and 20 less dictators to get in our way.

449111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to TheBluePill, #1043 of 1824 🔗

Resistance workers. Don’t kill yourself, kill the enemy.

448503 ▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Andrew K, 6, #1044 of 1824 🔗

Look I’m just musing here but how is this going to work for families wanting to travel.

Ok so Mum and Dad get the jab but between ages 11-18 the kids will need their test. That’s a lot of years. Who pays for the tests? The logistics of a global system to facilitate this just aren’t feasible. What happens when one of the kids tests positive abroad? What are the insurance implications? Will families raise merry hell because so far I have read nothing that explores the stumbling block of families travelling together where only the parents have had the Jab of Joy.

Of course this does lead straight back to jabbing the kids – but that won’t be straightforwards. There will be some resistance to this I presume.

448511 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Still Got It, 2, #1045 of 1824 🔗

But minor details. Throw unlimited money at it. The key is ID2020. Then peaceful protest or civil disobedience will not work. It might now, but that ID system will only be usurped by rebellion.

448519 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Still Got It, 1, #1046 of 1824 🔗

Who pays for it, well if you go abroad right now, you have to pay for a test to get on the flight, probably 1 or 2 once you get there, then you have to pay £220 for two test when you come back. So a family of four cannot afford to pay an extra £2k £3k £4k who knows, but have the Jab and you can travel. They don’t need to wait for everybody to be Jabbed.

448551 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Still Got It, 4, #1047 of 1824 🔗

The logical progression is they are coming for our children.Mass testing in schools is designed to wear down parents resistance to allowing their children to be jabbed.

448540 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Andrew K, 7, #1048 of 1824 🔗

I disagree.Acceptance of the vaccine stems from belief in the incompetence theory;That what we are experiencing all stems from an original panicked response and they see end with the jab.
Those who believe it stems from an evil conspiracy have every reason to doubt the vaccine rollout because rather than an end it is just the beginning of our totalitarian future.

448552 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #1049 of 1824 🔗

And there are those who believe the evil conspiracy is the government covering their arses and loving power, who are quite capable of treating the “vaccine” with the deep scepticism it deserves and regardless of the “vaccine”‘s merits will argue to the death that vaccines are never the “way out of lockdown”

448566 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 1, #1050 of 1824 🔗

If it was just here then that would be logical,but this is worldwide,which points to a guiding hand.
Also,isn’t that a conspiracy theory in itself.

448611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #1051 of 1824 🔗

I’ve no doubt all sorts of conspiracies are afoot, within and outside of government, just probably not the ones that others think are afoot

I think the global nature of this is as, or more, easily explained by people simply copying each other, having access to the same information and being subject to the same human weaknesses

448769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, -1, #1052 of 1824 🔗

… and, as Mike Yeadon nailed it, taking an opportunity to advance particular interests.

Let the other lot have use of the term ‘conspiracy’. We don’t need it, with the image of Blofeld and chums sitting around in an underground bunker. ‘Convergent self/group interests’ will do a better job.

448458 Milos, replying to Milos, 3, #1053 of 1824 🔗

My support to the Lockdown Sceptics, very few outlets that questioned and criticized lockdowns from the start.

But there’s one weird thing about some people who compare pro-lockdown stance to religion. Do they think that all those bad things that apply to this lockdown “religion” don’t apply also to christian (or other) religion, or do they not consider christianity a religion? For example, on this page, lockdown stance was ridiculed like it is a religion, but then a support was given to some christian churches in UK that complain about lockdown. Also the picture chosen was of some eastern-Asian religion. Why didn’t you chose some “good-old red-blooded” proud Brits in churches for the picture?
Btw, pro-lockdown stance is not a religion. It is bad, and it has some bad aspects of religion, but it’s not a religion. Maybe it’s closer to say it’s a kind of ideology, but it’s not even that.
Believing in a god or gods (or some supernatural powerful entities), and making rituals and customs around that is way worse in terms of attack on common sense than sticking to some current theories (like “lockdowns are worth it”) which are unsound. Lockdowns will be disregarded in a matter of a year or more, but religions were there for centuries and still are, and still dominate, even though they (including christianity in the UK) are way more ridiculous than pro-lockdown stance, and have caused way more suffering to humanity through out history.
There are countries that went into draconian lockdown but only churches and political top were exempted from lockdown rules. The churches didn’t care that lockdowns are crazy or that they will do immense harm, they just care that it doesn’t affect them.

Regarding vaccine passports and passes. This is just wrong.
There are some people who protested bad treatment of refugees and immigrants coming to Europe (and UK), but have nothing against vaccine passes. This is a contradictory stance.
But there are also people who are against vaccine passes but are for banning people to move freely across borders. This is equally contradictory.
Freedom of movement is for all: vaccinated or not vaccinated, with privileged passports/citizenships or without them, with money, or without money.

448532 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Milos, 3, #1054 of 1824 🔗

I wouldn’t call it a religion but it definitely has cult like and superstitious practices with no basis in reality.

448567 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Milos, 2, #1055 of 1824 🔗

Clearly you have a particular anti-religious position that you want to push. But it appears that position is not shared above the line. Why would you expect them to?

From a less obsessively anti-religious pov, a distinction can be made between substantial, long established religions with their associated deep cultural traditions, and cults. Covid is a religion in the sense of being cult-like.

There’s a case to be made that the decline of Christianity left the former Christian countries of the US sphere and Russia wide open to cults like this, both in the (allegedly) Chestertonian sense that “the first effect of not believing in God is to believe in anything” and in the sense that when we lost Christianity as our cultural lodestone, we lost any defence against the all-consuming fear of death. The latter, rather counter-intuitively to me, seems to be the default position for most of those who believe there is nothing but nothingness after death.

Freedom of movement is for all: vaccinated or not vaccinated, with privileged passports/citizenships or without them, with money, or without money .”

This is rather infantile. It’s really not that hard to see the consequences of open borders and the dramatic harms that result.

448586 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, #1056 of 1824 🔗

There are two things that don’t go together, socialism & open borders.

448595 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1057 of 1824 🔗

Here are two more: sanity and open borders.

You need to work really hard and have a really, really strong ulterior profit or ideological motive to convince yourself that open borders can possibly make any sense. It’s about on the level of insisting that nobody should be allowed to have any locks on their doors.

448606 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Mark, 2, #1058 of 1824 🔗

It’s always problematic for me, as a libertarian I feel we should be able to go where the spirit takes us, as a pragmatist open borders are a crazy idea.

448631 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1059 of 1824 🔗

I have libertarian tendencies but suspect libertarianism would only be enjoyable in a competent, stable, cohesive, law-governed country and that doesn’t seem to be compatible with open borders.

448644 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #1060 of 1824 🔗

One could certainly point to times when religious zealotry has led to all sorts of harms, but in countries like ours religion tends to be a more personal matter – I really don’t care what odd stuff other people believe in as long as they don’t impose it on me. The covid cult however is all about imposing their madness on others. Also as Hitchens likes to point out, belief or lack of belief in God isn’t really in the realm of science – you can’t really prove it true or false in any useful way, whereas the nonsense that the covid cultists spout is easily refuted by reference to objective, testable facts and evidence

448491 Silke David, 5, #1061 of 1824 🔗

Coronaausschuss on form again today!

Have only listened to bits, lots of speakers, quite a few english speaking, so worth a look.

448500 A Heretic, replying to A Heretic, 11, #1062 of 1824 🔗

yet more bullshit atl saying herd immunity can only be achieved by 80% effective vaccination. sigh. why has science been thrown out the window?

448504 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A Heretic, 6, #1063 of 1824 🔗

This is because the vaccines are not as good as sold even by official estimates. They are lining up your kids now to reach that threshold.

They’ll not stop.

448514 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1064 of 1824 🔗

well quite but the point is that half the population has supposedly had covid so don’t need a vaccination in the first place.

448562 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A Heretic, 5, #1065 of 1824 🔗

That is never ever mentioned or discussed by the msm. It’s all about as many jabs as possible. There are serious forces behind this. Everything is driving full vaccination without question

448622 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to A Heretic, 3, #1066 of 1824 🔗

It is amazing that a definition which has stood for many years can be changed by the WHO and it is accepted without question. Natural herd immunity no longer exists. So in the spirit of the WHO I would like the change the definition of rain (Oxford dictionary – The condensed moisture of the atmosphere falling visibly in separate drops) to Light from the sun.

448508 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #1067 of 1824 🔗

Health Secretary Matt Hancock will be holding a press conference from Downing Street today (Friday, March 5).

It comes after the Government faced criticism over the planned 1 per cent pay rise for NHS staff who have been the heroes throughout the pandemic, reports the Mirror.

Heroes??

I suppose this is the next bit of pantomime

448512 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to stefarm, 7, #1068 of 1824 🔗

those tiktok videos don’t make themselves.

448516 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to stefarm, #1069 of 1824 🔗

Everybody Out!

448524 ▶▶ Annie, replying to stefarm, 12, #1070 of 1824 🔗

I suppose it takes a sort of courage to refuse to treat cancer patients, turn sick children away from hospitals, and chuck helpless old people out into killer ‘care’ homes.

448579 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to stefarm, 1, #1071 of 1824 🔗

Not pantomime. They knew what the reaction of the unions would be to1%, this was planned. Interesting to read between the lines of Hancock’s lies.
My guess its either to create a diversion to cover up something , vaccine uptake? Or part of deliberate moves to privatise swathes of the NHS; or both.

448614 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to stefarm, 2, #1072 of 1824 🔗

Wancock has created the situation by making the NHS think they are all superhuman heroes, he will cave in and they will get a bigger payrise, then it will be the teachers and the police, followed by all public sector workers.

448513 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1073 of 1824 🔗

BREAKING: Court order shows Boris Johnson misled Parliament over Covid contracts

https://goodlawproject.org/update/johnson-misled-parliament/

448523 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Victoria, 10, #1074 of 1824 🔗

We are going to see a lot more of this over the next few years come 2024, the Tory’s reputation will be totally trashed, same as 1997.

But I won’t get any satisfaction until Nuremberg 2.

448526 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #1075 of 1824 🔗

You think there’ll be another general elections like times past! Yes there will be elections but on the same tract as what you get in Russia or China.

448535 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1076 of 1824 🔗

Elections are public theatre, but sometimes they throw up mistakes. But you’re right they are getting ever closer to absolute technocratic control.

448558 ▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #1077 of 1824 🔗

Dominian voting machines. ‘Dominian’ now there was a name well picked.

448898 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Andrew K, #1078 of 1824 🔗

China doesn’t hold elections.

448537 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #1079 of 1824 🔗

The Tories will increase their majority at the next election. Lockdown is one of the most popular policies in history. Desperately sad but true.

448555 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Will, 4, #1080 of 1824 🔗

i live in hopes that the chickens will be coming home to roost by then and people will realise what a complete disaster the tories have created and that labour would have done no better.

448560 ▶▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Will, 2, #1081 of 1824 🔗

Absolutely. Read today that the Tories have increased their lead over Labour in the polls to 13 points. At the weekend The Mail was gushing at the surge in Boris’ approval ratings. Seems people can’t get enough of the empty-headed, cowardly little liar!

448573 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to happychappy, 3, #1082 of 1824 🔗

Well, when the alternative us lock-em-down-for-ever Smarmer…

448584 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ happychappy, replying to Annie, 7, #1083 of 1824 🔗

For what it’s worth, I will be voting for Reform UK Party in the May elections. Almost certainly a waste of time but they seem to be the only political party against the lockdown and in favour of the implementation of the Great Barrington Declaration and return to normality.

448605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Annie, 1, #1084 of 1824 🔗

People think they might get out of lockdown at least partially, at some point in the future with the Tories. As opposed to never with Starmer. I suspect the poor Labour performance in polls has an anti-lockdown element. Zero Covid calls seem to be winning no votes and may even be losing them.

448609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Annie, 2, #1085 of 1824 🔗

That is the most important thing people need to keep uppermost in their minds. I have always voted Tory and have no problem saying that, highly unlikely to vote for them again. If there is a very viable alternative party to which I agree with their policies then I will vote for them, however I will when the time comes look at what voting options will ensure Starmer does not end up as PM. In an ideal world the current PM will be toppled by the 1922 and a decent new leader will emerge.

448669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1086 of 1824 🔗

like you Cumbriacracked I have nearly always voted Tory but will never do so again. They were on their dogs chance after the criminally hopeless May and now Johnson and the current cabinet have well and truly rammed the final nail in the coffin. The only thing to decide is who do I vote for instead?

448677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to smithey, 2, #1087 of 1824 🔗

I am realistic that a new party will take time to gain a foothold, it has always been difficult for a new or different party to really gain support and votes but they have to start somewhere. In the meantime I will monitor what happens with the Tories and moves by Graham Brady. I will either not vote for anyone or as a last resort vote for the Tories to keep Starmer out, not just because of the “virus” but also for many of his proposed policies.

I still maintain that as quick as people have been brainwashed to accept all the narrative, they will quickly follow the herd when the tide turns. The change in comments about holidays from April in the UK and the belief come June everyone will be free, I do believe will play an important part to the national mood. Yes of course everyone may accept the goal posts moving again but I certainly feel it is a different mindset amoungst the sheep for spring/summer.

448749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1088 of 1824 🔗

Mmmm … not much sign at present. The internal opposition has been pitifully small in actuality. It only looks good alongside the pathetic nature of the official opposition.

448563 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Will, 5, #1089 of 1824 🔗

The Tories may increase their majority next time, but not because lockdown is popular. I really don’t think it is – and I’m basing that on conversations with university students and academics. Probably a majority of the latter are believers, but of the former I would guess a clear majority are not. That includes people who have suffered relatively badly with the bat cough.

No, Bojo and his band are likely to do well in terms of parliamentary seats because:
1) for the very large number of people who hate lockdown and all the rest of the crap, there is no real electoral alternative. Certainly, the ‘Opposition’ is just supportive buttplug for the regime, which primes Johnson to spaff his viscous rules harder and further.
2) yes, there is Laurence Fox. There is somebody else as well whose name I can’t even remember. But essentially political opposition has been stymied through such methods as house arrest.
3) even if I manage to fight my way into a polling station without a gimp gag on my face, it will only be to spoil my ballot. Of how many others will that be true?

The Tories will be rewarded. But that is in a context in which something approaching a majority of the population already recognises that Britain is a fascist state. Democracy is dead. It means no more than SPQR in the reign of Caligula.

I am typing this from house arrest.

448582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ovis, 3, #1090 of 1824 🔗

Only one reason why Tories will stay in power & you’ve touched on it, there’s no credible alternative. But when people feel the consequences of lockdown there will be a reckoning. Not to say there’s ever been any real political opposition to it, there obviously hasn’t, but the crony capitalism will bring the Tories down it always does. It’s always corruption that ends a leaders career.

448758 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ovis, #1091 of 1824 🔗

a context in which something approaching a majority of the population already recognises that Britain is a fascist state.”

You kid yourself.

The majority of the population simply recognizes the ‘ necessity’ of Britain behaving as a totalitarian state.

448571 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Will, 3, #1092 of 1824 🔗

Until the consequences hit them smack between the eyes & that day is fast arriving.

448591 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Anti_socialist, #1093 of 1824 🔗

And it will destroy them.

448607 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Will, #1094 of 1824 🔗

Just wait until their right wing communism kicks in

448663 ▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Will, 3, #1095 of 1824 🔗

I think in the fullness of time the vast majority of people will come to realise just what has been done to them. The government cannot hide the economic consequences of this forever.

448525 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Victoria, 9, #1096 of 1824 🔗

I remember when it used to matter when a minister misled parliament.
These days it’s normal practice.

448515 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 12, #1097 of 1824 🔗

Hi everyone.

Ive just done a little catching up on a friend on Facebook who had got a job at a nightingale hospital, helping with the vaccination programme. I unfollowed them ages ago as I was sick of the bulks*!t clap for the nhs etc coming from them. Anyway this is one of their recent posts….

“I would have started back at the Nightingale hospital today but I found out the day after I was ill with covid via the WhatsApp chat group that the hospital is to close its doors ( and we had to keep quiet about it). I didn’t hear from my manager the whole time I was off until I gave my notice because I don’t want to work at the XXXXXXX hospital which they then had planned for me. They wouldn’t offer a vaccination before I went to work in a covid hospital so why would I want to work there still unvaccinated??!! I said I don’t have the confidence I won’t catch it again and the reply was it’s not something they can offer at the moment!!!! Good job the NHS have so many fabulous people in the ground making it great as the people at the top just treat it like a business and are just a bunch of politicians looking after themselves. It’s extremely disappointing the way the staff get treated!”

As you can see, not the brightest button….if you have had covid (bet they didn’t really) they are immune anyway. However more proof the snake oil is maybe not going down as well as they say, and yet again a nightingale hospital closes!

448615 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #1098 of 1824 🔗

How they have the cheek to ask for 12.5% when we have (allegedly of course) one of the worst death records in the developed world, our wonderful NHS, they have been paid throughout in a profession they CHOSE, no doubt with additional overtime, or sitting at home after a positive test, whilst up to 40% of cases were contracted in hospital and whilst closed businesses and furloughed workers lost at least 20% pay. What on Earth would they have asked for if they had actually done a good job?

448764 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fiona Walker, #1099 of 1824 🔗

Your directing your ire at the wrong targets. Most NHS staff continued to a good job. The policies were not set by them.

448687 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #1100 of 1824 🔗

Don’t know about you, but it still hasn’t stopped amazing me when I encounter people – adults, supposedly! – who are actually genuinely frightened of this disease, and let their fear rule them in actual serious life decisions.

I mean, I’ve seen it time and again but I still find it literally incredible.

448518 Julian, 1, #1101 of 1824 🔗

Pithy update on current state of play: https://www.hartgroup.org/covid-19-bulletin/

448520 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 10, #1102 of 1824 🔗

From the formerly liberal-minded publication The Spectator :

Covid-19 and the problem with Britain’s weight

Yesterday, the World Obesity Federation published a report containing a widely-quoted statistic that 2.2 million out of 2.5 million Covid deaths globally have occurred in countries where more than half the population is overweight.

What should be the policy response, if any? Should we have a fat tax – or even make it an offence to be fat ? Such a suggestion will, of course, rightfully raise hackles among people of liberal mind. Given the suppression of liberties of all kinds over the past year, such possibilities are a lot closer than they would have seemed prior to Covid.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-19-and-the-problem-with-britain-s-weight

How much more of this shit are people going to put up with before they pull their heads out of their arses?

448575 ▶▶ Norman, replying to zacaway, 1, #1103 of 1824 🔗

So they are saying that most of the deaths have occurred in affluent countries. I suspect that most deaths have occurred in countries in the northern hemisphere too. Neither fact should be taken as indicative of causation

448646 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Norman, 1, #1104 of 1824 🔗

Yup. Affluent countries tend to have more elderly and long-term sick people, which is probably a significant factor. And more obsessive PCR testing, to get more deaths labelled with covid.

448658 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to zacaway, 3, #1105 of 1824 🔗

Acceleration is our friend
The more of this nonsense the better

448521 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #1106 of 1824 🔗

There are many potential harms to children from wearing masks in school

https://mobile.twitter.com/UsforThemUK/status/1367811039987957762

448527 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Victoria, 4, #1107 of 1824 🔗

the zealots out in force on the replies to those: “the science says they work”. no it says anything but you muppet. That year of missed science lessons obviously hasn’t done that kid any good.

448529 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Victoria, #1108 of 1824 🔗

So I sent this letter to my son’s school and copied to LEA, obviously they’ve ignored it. What next? Anybody know if there is a legal challenged being organised that I can join?

https://www.laworfiction.com/2021/02/stopping-masks-and-face-covering-in-schools/

448536 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 5, #1109 of 1824 🔗

Jesus wept at the comments. Looks lime all the kids have been indoctrinated in the covid cult. Soon these kids will be the military police of the future.

448556 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Andrew K, 3, #1110 of 1824 🔗

all good regimes have youth organisations brainwashing children to rat out their parents

448561 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Andrew K, 5, #1111 of 1824 🔗

Chill.

It’s the Internet.

No way you can know they are real kids with genuine opinions.

448531 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 15, #1113 of 1824 🔗

BREAKING: Court Order shows Boris Johnson misled Parliament over Covid contracts
https://goodlawproject.org/update/johnson-misled-parliament/

3 days after the High Court ruled Government had acted unlawfully by failing to publish Covid contracts, Boris Johnson stood up in the House of Commons and reassured MPs and the public that all Covid-related contracts were “ on the record ”. However, the final Order handed down by the Judge today shows that what the Prime Minister told the House was not true.

448542 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basileus, 7, #1114 of 1824 🔗

You could just use the final 10 words of that last sentence and it would apply to most situations

448545 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Basileus, 5, #1115 of 1824 🔗

Has Boris ever told the truth? It’s why we should completely dismiss his ‘roadmap’ as utter fantasy.

448547 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Basileus, 2, #1116 of 1824 🔗

Isn’t that contempt of Parliament?

448550 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to isobar, 4, #1117 of 1824 🔗

Yes, but there is no-one to do anything about it. And he knows that.

448559 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to isobar, 1, #1118 of 1824 🔗

Does it matter? They’re all shysters anyway for a start they call each other honourable.

448549 ▶▶ peyrole, replying to Basileus, 5, #1119 of 1824 🔗

I doubt whether anyone who voted for him did not understand they were voting for a liar. I doubt if he knows what is or isn’t the truth, or cares. He never has.

448652 ▶▶ smithey, replying to Basileus, 4, #1121 of 1824 🔗

We are well and truly in banana republic territory now. There used to be a time when if the Prime Minster mislead the house they would be expected to resign. Now it is treated as something which is to be expected. What a depressing state of affairs, the UK is finished.

448564 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 17, #1122 of 1824 🔗

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/poll/poll/33896/poll-have-you-had-been-invited-for-a-covid-vaccination-jab.html
41% of people say they prefer natural immunity…lo fukin l
We are winning this one!!

448569 ▶▶ kenadams, replying to Two-Six, 29, #1123 of 1824 🔗

There’s a reason they’ve gone in so hard on this over the past fortnight. Natural take-up isn’t at the levels they need to force passports etc on us.

We need, need, need to stay strong on this.

448570 ▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to kenadams, 6, #1124 of 1824 🔗

Right?

In the US it’s, “Ooooh, looky, looky, you can go to a professional sporting event….just download the app, just get the jab, and you can have a breadcrumb of your prior life back….”

448578 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to kenadams, 17, #1125 of 1824 🔗

When they wheeled out the Queen I knew they were desperate!

448635 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to kenadams, 4, #1126 of 1824 🔗

We will, will, will.

448604 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1127 of 1824 🔗

There are chinks in the armour

448639 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1128 of 1824 🔗

41%?
So 59% would rather outsource their immunity to the pharma companies.
That’s scary.

448731 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1129 of 1824 🔗

We are winning this one!!

You must be joking – putting your faith in this sort of mickey-mouse newspaper survey.

448781 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, #1130 of 1824 🔗

OK point taken, its absolutely pointless but it does make the paper look like a bunch of Charlies. They will take the poll down I bet you. At least its a stick to smack em over the head with.
57% now!!

448568 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 13, #1131 of 1824 🔗

It’s Friday, it’s a nice sunny day out, I just made good profit daytrading put options, yet I find myself sickened and despondent over the seeming inevitability of vaccine passports.

What a time to be alive.

448602 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to awildgoose, 4, #1132 of 1824 🔗

I’m optimistically skeptical that it’ll never actually happen. Why? Because we’re just not that good with technology! It can’t be a paper passport because they’re way too easy to forge. Yes I have a Yellow Fever certificate but it’s just a piece of card with a scribble and a sticker. How’re these international ones going to work when no ones even been given a bit of paper? Will the Cypriot border force be happy with your NHS appointment card?
If they actually want it to make it work it’s going to have be a form of biometric ID card, which’ll take years, and the Tories were dead against anyway.

449194 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, #1133 of 1824 🔗

SweetBabyCheeses – Not sure you are correct about the biometric card taking years to develop. Various governments including the UK are looking initially at smartphone apps, but then moving onto nanochips inserted under the skin. Technology already trialled for both types in China, Germany, USA, Sweden and Switzerland. Contracts issued and down payments made to several British companies for stage 1 of the WEF’s bioID plan for everyone. All on the WEF website under the main heading The Fourth Industrial Revolution – for which BJ signed the UK up to take a lead role in delivering. The proposals for full digital IDs for all citizens in the UK for a wide variety of purposes (internal as well as for travel) are currently on the government website (consultation ends on 11th March): https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uk-digital-identity-and-attributes-trust-framework?fbclid=IwAR2a4M_c2HagxXeTcBQwkitO962Xn5lzas824T3I7dsGXaq30Vm_5dLtZRs

448574 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 24, #1134 of 1824 🔗

This Judith Woods bint is a piece of work isn’t she? Sod taking her home to meet your mum. Bloody hell. What a demented rant that was. Utterly cultish in its swivel-eyed venom and lack of rational argumentation. Cultists have a bad habit of projecting their own shortcomings onto others. It’s a reflexive response. They have no real arguments so they lash out impulsively. It’s a coping mechanism for their lack of coherent, rational arguments.

‘But that doesn’t alter the fact that we must wear the wretched things now in order to eventually never wear them ever again in the future.’

This could be one of LS’s ‘Covid-1984 Party slogans.’ It’s absurd and deranged.

Says who? What on earth gives Woods the impression that children will never again be required to wear face coverings? The groundwork has been laid for further hysteria given the next novel virus, or perhaps future bad influenza seasons will be treated with this level of panic and hysteria. There is no reason to expect this will never reappear, and every reason to expect it will.

‘If a school asks students to wear masks in class, then so be it. Unless there is a bona fide medical reason not to cover their face, there’s no valid reason to refuse, other than truculence or terror instilled in them by bloody-minded parents who should be ashamed of themselves for putting my child and other children at risk.’

Note that Woods projects her own fears onto other parents. She expects her own sense of fear and terror to be mirrored by everyone else, and when it’s not she accuses others of instilling terror in their children, the very thing she is doing to her own and others’ children. She’s deranged.

‘The brainwashed anti-vax brigade and the cretinous Covid-deniers can do one, as far as I’m concerned.’

Aunt Sally. Note that she conflates sceptical opinion with ‘anti-vax’ sentiment and ‘Covid-deniers’. She’s utterly incapable of thinking through this rationally.

By the way, what the hell is a ‘Covid-denier’ when it’s at home? These people simply repeat dumb memes without thinking.

‘No jab, no job? Fine by me. Even the Queen thinks you’re selfish nutters (I paraphrase, Ma’am).’

1. Again, who’s the nutter here?

2. The Queen is not an authority on this. Woods is desperate.

‘Classroom apartheid, with masks refuseniks made to sit at the back, and kids segregated at lunchtime? If that’s what it takes…’

Woods has nailed her colours to the mast. We’re left in no doubt where she stands.

‘I gather some parents have been bleating on about the outrage of this “coercion” and cavilling at the stigma their child will suffer. It will be a far bigger stigma if Milo kills Miss.’

Where was Woods pre-Covid-19? This virus has minimal impact on children in terms of infection/transmission, including children-teacher/adult transmission, so where the hell was this virtue signalling lunatic during previous bad influenza seasons when schools in general were impacted far worse? Did she not think of face coverings then? Were her children ‘masked up’? If not, why not? And if they were not, were they and other maverick children made to suffer ‘Classroom apartheid’, with her/these little ‘refuseniks made to sit at the back, and…segregated at lunchtime’?

I know the Telegraph has long lost its way, but that was particularly bad.

448623 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #1135 of 1824 🔗

‘with black children being made to sit at the back, and Muslims segregated at lunchtime…’
So be it, eh?

448648 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #1136 of 1824 🔗

I couldn’t finish it. I don’t know anyone that extreme thankfully. She’s at the extreme end of covidian hysteria.

448742 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1137 of 1824 🔗

Rita Skeeter …

448754 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #1138 of 1824 🔗

About the most vile article I’ve read so far. The comments are good though.

You are correct of course, The Telegraph has utterly lost its way, and I hope will soon pay the price.

448577 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 19, #1139 of 1824 🔗

LOL!

448587 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1140 of 1824 🔗

Made my afternoon! That’s hilarious! 😀

448590 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1141 of 1824 🔗

Bahahaha!!!

448596 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basileus, #1143 of 1824 🔗

blimey, either she’s nuts or we’re in for a very interesting next few months, marvellous…

448741 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, #1144 of 1824 🔗

Echoes of Qanon in the US of A.

448581 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 6, #1145 of 1824 🔗

Is there anything more likely to induce nausea, than the covidian, ‘I have managed to improve lockdown with some simple, handy tips that show what a great innovator in adversity i am – in fact lockdown is the best’. The useful idiots.

448597 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Niborxof, 6, #1146 of 1824 🔗

Yes, stoicism in the face of adversity that you can’t do much about (meteor strikes, respiratory viruses) is admirable but stoicism in the face of needless, avoidable harm is idiotic

448659 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Niborxof, 1, #1147 of 1824 🔗

Oooh, yes! The “Here are some simple tips to improve your mindset” from those who are in the sort of comfortable domestic circumstances that mean lockdowns are no problem for them.

448674 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Niborxof, 5, #1148 of 1824 🔗

My best friend is a clinical psychologist and on their last team meeting call one of the therapists in her practice said Covid hasn’t changed his life very much. WTF kind of life did he have before??? That certainly does not map onto her experience as she has been personally suffering while trying to help her clients. Can you imagine having this guy as your therapist?

448588 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 39, #1149 of 1824 🔗

LATEST SAGE MEETING MINUTES

We’ve closed businesses; sunk the economy; made it illegal to see friends and family; locked old people in (prison) ‘care’ homes; closed schools and universities; denied access to dental treatments; denied access to GPs; convinced the public to wear masks despite having already told them numerous times in spring that they make no difference and got them to treat each other like disease vectors; we’ve bullied and coerced people into having an experimental gene therapy that they think is a vaccine; we’ve told them it doesn’t stop you catching it or spreading it and you still can’t go out even after you’ve been ‘jabbed’ for a virus that’s always been around (coronavirus), is 99.95% survivable and average age mortality is 84 co-morbidity old/poorly people; we’re going to start mass testing school children jabbing a 6” cotton bud into their brain cavity up to 3 times a week and told them they must wear masks; we’re testing with a test the inventor stated is not to be used as a diagnostic tool; we’re calling positive tests ‘cases’ to scare people with the numbers, the majority of which are false positives; we’ve changed the rules for death certificates; we’re including anyone with a positive test within 28 days in the scary deaths numbers however they died; we’re testing our experimental gene therapy now on 6-16 year olds; we’re flooding every news outlet, every media outlet with constant Covid scare propaganda; we’ve changed the definition of immunity and promoted the concept of asymptomatic spread despite there being no evidence whatsoever; we’re promoting vaccine passports for travel and internal access to social life along with ‘no jab, no job’; we’re going after anti lockdown sceptics and closing down free speech on ‘vaccines’…………

You’d think we’d be getting bored by now of just how far we can push the sheeple but we’re not…anything else you can think of? How about promoting double masking – see if they fall for that? And telling them primary school kids should mask up too to ‘normalise’ it? And trail stories of anal swab testing just like they do in China? Ha, ha, ha….that’s a good one….’

I’d laugh if I wasn’t already crying for what has become of us.

448592 ▶▶ happychappy, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1150 of 1824 🔗

Brilliant summary!

448598 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Andrea Salford, #1151 of 1824 🔗

Well done Andrea! Is you name pronounced ‘sal’ or ‘saul’ btw?

448678 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Bungle, #1152 of 1824 🔗

Thank you. We pronounce it ‘saul’ or more like ‘sol’ford

448613 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Andrea Salford, 12, #1153 of 1824 🔗

I understand that they are considering this soon (satire).

448753 ▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to godowneasy, #1154 of 1824 🔗

In view of what we have seen in the past year it wouldn’t surprise me if this became a reality.

448892 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to godowneasy, #1155 of 1824 🔗

SOTT, you actually felt you had to clarify this post was satire. 😥

449338 ▶▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Jinks, #1156 of 1824 🔗

today’s satire is tomorrow’s reality sadly

448589 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #1157 of 1824 🔗

Facepalm moment. Apologies if this has already been posted:

Now the police have gotten into the act of making Tik Tok videos as well. They really can’t be arsed solving knife crime, theft, assault, murder and grooming gangs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpLpT2923q0

448637 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1158 of 1824 🔗

Ireland way ahead of you

https://youtu.be/yj23_Z6UECk

It’s pretty disturbing the whole fad. I mean, is that what goes into the history books? Jesus.

It’s now got tot ye level of tax payer funded marketing, not even just a da with bad dance moves trying to Tik Tok with the kids. More psy op stuff.

The Irish ones from RTE even have freemason symbolism. Look at the lighting in the first scene.

https://youtu.be/M7n5NfNPU24

448727 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1159 of 1824 🔗

Nice to see them exercising in masks. No good will come of this.

448599 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #1160 of 1824 🔗

Covid-19, trust, and Wellcome: how charity’s pharma investments overlap with its research efforts
https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n556

The major funder of health research stands to gain financially from the pandemic, raising questions about transparency and accountability
An increasingly clear feature of the covid-19 pandemic is that the public health response is being driven not only by governments and multilateral institutions, such as the World Health Organisation, but also by a welter of public-private partnerships involving drug companies and private foundations.
One leading voice to emerge is the Wellcome Trust, one of the world’s top funders of health research, whose sprawling charitable activities in the pandemic include co-leading a WHO programme to support new covid-19 therapeutics. The Access to Covid-19 Tools (ACT) Accelerator project hopes to raise billions of dollars and deliver hundreds of millions of treatment courses in the year ahead, including dexamethasone and a number of monoclonal antibodies. 1
At the same time, The BMJ finds, Wellcome itself holds investments in companies producing these same treatments. Financial disclosures from late 2020 show that Wellcome has a £275m (€318m; $389m) stake in Novartis, which manufactures dexamethasone and is investigating additional therapeutics. And Roche, in which Wellcome holds a £252m stake, 2 is helping to manufacture monoclonal antibodies with Regeneron. Both Roche and Novartis report having had conversations with WHO’s ACT Accelerator about their therapeutic drugs. 3

448750 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Basileus, #1161 of 1824 🔗

Otice they dudn’t have the courage to point out who was behind all those organisations .

448600 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 14, #1162 of 1824 🔗

MONDAY MARCH 15th 2021 !!! The Politicians of this country are reviewing the Petition on the rollout of Vaccine Passports !! I think I already know what the outcome will be 😭

448790 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Freddy Boy, 7, #1163 of 1824 🔗

Yes – I am anticipating the utter bollocks e-mail I will get, spouting all of the propaganda – deadly disease, must protect everybody and of course, the sainted NHS, vaccine is 100% safe and 100% effective, denying that it’s mandatory but refusing to engage with the point about coercion being effectively a mandate, yada yada…

448601 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1164 of 1824 🔗

I won’t do this stupid shit because you’re an idiot.

https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/angry-nurse-has-had-it-with-the-covid-19-hoax/

448783 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1165 of 1824 🔗

Brilliant – love her!

448610 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 7, #1166 of 1824 🔗

Recently shared by Anna Brees… seems genuine.

NHS England and NHS Improvement
Behaviour Change Unit, in partnership with PHE and Warwick Business School
Optimising Vaccination Roll Out –
Dos and Don’ts for all messaging, documents and “communications” in the widest sense
December 2020

https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/Vaccination%20do%20and%20donts%20by%20audience%20cohorts.pdf

448617 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1167 of 1824 🔗

Looks entirely consistent with the wider messaging to me. Nothing in there that surprises me.

448624 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1168 of 1824 🔗

Wow thanks for sharing. Terrifying stuff.

448641 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1169 of 1824 🔗

On page 6 there is mention of “to eradicate the virus”. Zero Covid!

448673 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to AshesThanDust, 1, #1170 of 1824 🔗

Good spot.

448654 ▶▶ vargas99, replying to SimonCook, 5, #1171 of 1824 🔗

They are definitely worried that there is a high level of resistance to the gene therapies!

448685 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to SimonCook, 10, #1172 of 1824 🔗

Well, these shitheads can put me down as displaying ‘determined resistance’, ‘overt mistrust’ and ‘conscious non-compliance’ (p 15).

448830 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to mattghg, 2, #1173 of 1824 🔗

Would love to know what they’d say if I said I’d consistently broken every lockdown rule and continued to live my life. I don’t particularly like some people so this ‘we’re all in it together’ won’t cut it with me.

448716 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to SimonCook, 2, #1174 of 1824 🔗

Useful list of organisations, groups, committees, who should face criminal charges eventually.

448616 SweetBabyCheeses, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 13, #1175 of 1824 🔗

I was just musing… do you think that a reason that the Gov/SAGE etc are so anti natural immunity is because their ridiculous 40-cycle-PCR false-positive asymptomatic “cases” have convinced millions of people that they had covid when in fact they didn’t…hence these poor mugs probably aren’t immune to a disease they’ve not actually had yet?

448618 ▶▶ jb12, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 9, #1176 of 1824 🔗

No, it is to sell vaccines.

448621 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 4, #1177 of 1824 🔗

We have no idea either way. It’s a foggy mess, just how they want it. That ways they can spin the narrative and jab every moving thing.

448676 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 1, #1178 of 1824 🔗

Doesn’t really matter though, does it? When they do eventually get it, most of them won’t even notice.

448632 stevie, replying to stevie, 6, #1179 of 1824 🔗

Guardian: J ust one in four secondary schools to fully reopen on 8 March comment image ?width=140&height=140&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=6ce767152845e97f00120855daeb118b Richard Adams
Only one out of four secondary schools and colleges in England could fully reopen on Monday, after a survey of headteachers found that most will stagger the return of students because of bottlenecks in Covid testing and parental consent.
A survey of 934 headteachers and principals of secondary schools in England found that 76% will need to phase the return of their students during the course of next week to accommodate the mass testing required by the government.
And more than half of secondary heads say they have had difficulty obtaining parents’ consent for Covid testing, suggesting that the government’s plans to use twice-weekly lateral flow tests could run into difficulty.
The survey conducted by the Association of School and College Leaders found that while most schools should be able to complete testing within the first week, 7% said they would need to continue into the week beginning on 15 March to test all their students.
But even then, a substantial number of parents have still failed to give consent required for schools to test children under 16, while many heads also expect that some students at their school will refuse to wear face coverings. An overwhelming 84% of school leaders felt that government guidance – which recommends face coverings in classrooms but does not make them mandatory – fails to provide clarity for schools and colleges.
Geoff Barton, the general secretary of the Association of Schools and College Leaders, said schools and colleges had been given “a hospital pass” on having to handle difficult and time-consuming issues of both testing and face coverings.
Barton said:

It is worrying that the biggest problem emerging is the difficulty in obtaining parental consent for Covid tests. This is most likely to be simply a matter of oversight with some parents not returning forms and we would urge them to do so.

Secondary schools and colleges have also been handed the problem of extending the use of face coverings to classrooms, with government guidance that is clearly causing difficulties because it says they are not mandatory but their use must be implemented. This leaves schools and colleges in a very difficult position, and our survey shows that many will now have to navigate the difficult terrain of having some students who refuse to wear them.

448662 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stevie, 6, #1180 of 1824 🔗

It’s at moments like this I get some hope. Parents standing up? Teachers outnumbered now by the fed up masses?

Not a chance. Experience in tbe last year tells me this morphs into a government diktat that tries to make it even more difficult for parents. Like threatening another closure because they won’t comply.

It has to come to a head though so maybe this a good thing. Battle lines drawn, shots fired.

448721 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stevie, 5, #1181 of 1824 🔗

Teachers need to feel that they are right in backing refusal as a child protection issue. The message about institutionalized child abuse needs to be hammered home at every opportunity..

448878 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to stevie, #1182 of 1824 🔗

Lenin’s pamphlet title One Step Forward Two Steps Back is appropriate here.

448633 stevie, replying to stevie, 2, #1183 of 1824 🔗

A previously unknown individual who tested positive for the Brazil variant of concern in the UK has been located, according to a report in the FT.

448640 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to stevie, 3, #1184 of 1824 🔗

How many weeks has the person been on the run?

448649 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Steeve, 10, #1185 of 1824 🔗

I guess The Nazis found him in a hay barn, where he was being hidden and fed by members of the local resistance who have subsequently been shot.

That’s three Steve variants in a row, incidentally. First hat trick?

448653 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Steve F, 4, #1186 of 1824 🔗

We just need steve_w to comment now … except that I’ve ruined the run. Sorry ;-).

448664 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to mattghg, 1, #1187 of 1824 🔗

Well no, actually, because if steve-w replies to either Stevie or Steeve, the line will be unbroken. Do you know where he is, by any chance? Can you give him a shout?

448700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to Steve F, 3, #1188 of 1824 🔗

Can a Steph join in?

448729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to WasSteph, 1, #1189 of 1824 🔗

Course you can! There’s more of us than I thought!

448689 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to mattghg, 5, #1190 of 1824 🔗

give me 5 minutes! just came off a zoom call!

448690 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve F, #1191 of 1824 🔗

afternoon all 🙂

448728 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to steve_w, #1192 of 1824 🔗

Afternoon. You’re late!

448735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Steve F, #1193 of 1824 🔗

soz 🙁

448738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #1194 of 1824 🔗

I was on a zoom with my friend StevieWeevie – never thought to mention this place

448762 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to steve_w, #1195 of 1824 🔗

Zoom back and ask him over.

448765 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to stevie, #1196 of 1824 🔗

Sure it wasn’t actually a German clone with Rottweilers for pets?

448782 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to stevie, #1197 of 1824 🔗

They’ll be giving him a public anal swap test to make an example of him.

448785 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to stevie, 2, #1198 of 1824 🔗

Does he get the prize for being the first £10k fine for failing to lie on the form he did not fill in?

448795 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to stevie, #1199 of 1824 🔗

Apparently he’s a bald c*nt

448634 TheClone, 3, #1200 of 1824 🔗
448638 peyrole, replying to peyrole, 6, #1201 of 1824 🔗

Metabo Law
As our economy is turning Japanese, yes I think so, perhaps the PMs latest fad will give us a UK version of this Japanese Law introduced in 2008. Between 40-74 everyone has annual waist-line checks. Their employers and/or local authorities get fined if there are too many who fail the max, which for men is 33.5cm and ladies 35.5cm.
There are Metabo clinics and exercise regimes run by employers and LAs apparently with thriving music scene.
This a LAW!

448655 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to peyrole, 1, #1202 of 1824 🔗

33.5 cm?? Are they training for burlesque?

448670 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to peyrole, 9, #1203 of 1824 🔗

I take it there are exemptions!

448679 ▶▶ FenTyger, replying to peyrole, 2, #1204 of 1824 🔗

cm!

448806 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to FenTyger, 3, #1205 of 1824 🔗

sorry that should be inches, so used to cms!

448642 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 9, #1206 of 1824 🔗

Looking at the graph relating death from C19 to obesity. The definition of obesity is having a BMI of over 30, the people who are dying have a BMI of over 60. They are morbidly obese and time bombs who could drop dead at any moment.

So I’m not surprised covid helps carry them off. If you’re obese (BMI 30) then C19 isn’t a problem.

448691 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #1207 of 1824 🔗

The common cold does the same every year
both rhinos and coronas
Nobody cared until now

448698 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Anti_socialist, #1209 of 1824 🔗

Excellent broadcast today.

448650 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #1210 of 1824 🔗

Nipped into Morrisons, not a word said by security. However there was another staff member at the door counting people in and recording masked or unmasked, I wondered why, I might ask.

448696 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #1211 of 1824 🔗

Seeing how much their profits would be hit if they tried a total ban on the maskless?

449177 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 1, #1212 of 1824 🔗

I call at a local cafe’s takeaway hatch once a week to buy a hot drink or piece of cake – basically in an effort to help keep them going until they are allowed to open properly. Was a bit taken aback when I was asked for my name and phone number today. When I asked the person at the hatch why – because I was outside on the pavement – they said the cafe had received new instructions to get this information from all those using their takeaway service from now on. Gave a made-up name and made up number obviously. Anyone else heard this extension of T&T over-reach?

448656 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 10, #1213 of 1824 🔗

How to do brainwashing according to the NHS.

448683 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Basileus, 8, #1214 of 1824 🔗

Wankers.

448694 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #1215 of 1824 🔗

There just aren’t adequate nouns to describe them, are there?!

448710 ▶▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1216 of 1824 🔗

No, I run out and fall back on the classics.

448686 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basileus, 11, #1217 of 1824 🔗

This is just one of the most EVIL things I have seen so far. Just threats basically, get the jab kids or its no back to normal. Utter Utter Utter BASTARDS!!”!!!

448692 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 17, #1218 of 1824 🔗

But note: several repetitions of the fact that the Fascist brainwashers have ‘lost the trust’ of young people and ‘conspiracy theories’ are gaining traction with them.
And I suspect that a lot of young people will be sickened by this repetition of the kill-granny message. Granny has had the snake oil, but if you haven’t had yours, you’ll kill granny.
My fundament.

448751 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Basileus, 15, #1219 of 1824 🔗

Highlight popular “normal life” activities that young people can engage in again once vaccinated – socialising, sports and exercise, work, lectures, events, etc.

We see here revealed the ethos behind current PsyOps regarding vaccine passports: create the impression that vaccine passports are coming, in order to coerce wavering individuals into having the jab.

And remember, no one knows what the medium- and long-term effects of these vaccines might be.

Evil, utterly evil.

My advice to anyone who’s wavering, for whatever reason: call their bluff. Stand the course and see it through.

448821 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Basileus, 1, #1220 of 1824 🔗

Wish I hadn’t looked at this.

449003 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basileus, 1, #1221 of 1824 🔗

Don’t kill Granny – the “Vaccine” Version

449005 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1222 of 1824 🔗

Doh if it is not 100% effective you could still give them the virus even if you are vaccinated.

449098 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1223 of 1824 🔗

Vulcan logic! Brilliant!
Logical conclusion: your getting the snake oil will make no difference to Granny’s chances whatsoever.
Hope the yoofs can work that one out.

448657 bluemoon, 14, #1224 of 1824 🔗

Out walking earlier, ran into several people I know. All of them looking forward to April, and ‘getting back to normal’.
It’s just struck me – sorry folks but I’m old and a bit slow – that it’s very unlikely we’re all going to be unlocked on April 12th.
There’s bound to be a gradual reopening across the country, based on ‘cases’ or jab uptake or whatever other spurious nonsense the behavioural scientists and psychopaths pick from out of the tombola of doom.
And when will this ‘tier system’ variant be announced? Why at the end of the Easter weekend, after the media have screeched about families mixing, beaches crowded, pubs overflowing of course.

448660 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 23, #1225 of 1824 🔗

Newbury Poll. Looking good now!

POLL: Have you had/been invited for a Covid vaccination jab? Have you had the vaccine yet or have an appointment?
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/poll/poll/33896/poll-have-you-had-been-invited-for-a-covid-vaccination-jab.html

448671 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1226 of 1824 🔗

50% now!!
I bet you they will take it down…soon…

448675 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1227 of 1824 🔗

51% 🙂

448701 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1228 of 1824 🔗

52!

448717 ▶▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Two-Six, 2, #1229 of 1824 🔗

54

448791 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonny S., 1, #1230 of 1824 🔗

58 wooo hoo

448707 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1231 of 1824 🔗

I’m afraid that the results are clearly not representative. Pity – but it’s obvious.

448719 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1232 of 1824 🔗

They will blame ze trolls
they always do

448858 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1233 of 1824 🔗

Up to 60 per cent now! Yes, I played my small part.

448680 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Mic67, 7, #1235 of 1824 🔗
448695 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Mic67, 2, #1236 of 1824 🔗

The Telegraph’s got it too:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/05/travel-news-summer-holiday-cyprus-vaccine-quarantine-uk-beaches/

“People travelling overseas from England will be required to complete and carry a ‘travel declaration form’, starting from Monday.
Airlines and other transport carriers will be legally obliged to explain on their websites that the document must be completed before travelling.
Carriers will then check that each passenger has completed the form before they board – and those who have not done so may not be allowed to join the service they have booked.
Anyone identified as trying to travel overseas for reasons that are not currently permitted will be asked to return home and risk receiving a fixed penalty notice for breaking ‘Stay at Home’ rules. Such fines start at £200 and can go up to £6,400.”

And, “Cyprus will reopen to tourists who have been fully inoculated against Covid-19 from May 1.”

448711 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Mic67, 10, #1237 of 1824 🔗

Are they playing some kind of game with us? “How many features of the old Eastern Bloc can we reproduce and get away with it?”

448713 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mic67, 14, #1238 of 1824 🔗

It’s just for a few weeks to flatten the curve.

448722 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mic67, 13, #1239 of 1824 🔗

OMFG. Beginning to feel like I live in the Soviet Union!

Just been offered a job in the US and it’s beginning to look pretty attractive.

448759 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to leggy, 7, #1240 of 1824 🔗

TAKE IT!!!

448902 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, #1241 of 1824 🔗

with both hands !

448860 ▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to leggy, 2, #1242 of 1824 🔗

Just make sure you are going to a ‘free’ state (sound like Civil War days).

448997 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to leggy, #1243 of 1824 🔗

Depends on the State. At least for your two weeks of vacation you can head for the Dakotas.

449313 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1244 of 1824 🔗

Fortunately, I would be able to choose any state apart from Alaska or Hawaii.

448733 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Mic67, 9, #1245 of 1824 🔗

It’s worse in Cyprus. You have to SMS the government to ask permission to leave your own house. And you can only do that twice a day. You are only let off if you are over 65 when you can write out a slip saying where you are going and why. Obviously the Cyprus government doesn’t think that over 65s can work mobile phones.

448771 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to isobar, 2, #1246 of 1824 🔗

Copying Greece, probably, where a mobile has to be used to notify the police that you are going out.

448666 Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), 8, #1247 of 1824 🔗
448672 Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 1, #1248 of 1824 🔗
448709 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Niborxof, 1, #1249 of 1824 🔗

Many of the companies did rather better than the regime

448681 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #1250 of 1824 🔗

Nancy Pelosi is Nuts. She locked down D.C. yesterday just for the fun of it.

448684 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to bebophaircut, 14, #1251 of 1824 🔗

I believe something evil has taken hold of certain people, its as if their bodies have been invaded by an evil entity.

448703 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1252 of 1824 🔗

I think there are 3 reasons why TPTB act as they do currently.

  1. They are enjoying the power, not having been stopped at all
  2. A reaction to other actions, for example Nancy Pelosi making a point against the other American states opening up and ditching masks
  3. The absolute belief they are right and everyone else is wrong coupled with the saving face actions.
448901 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1253 of 1824 🔗

Nah, demonic possession every time.

448705 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #1254 of 1824 🔗

San Fran Nan is absolutely barking. Her whole crowd idolised Jim Jones back in the 1970s.

448682 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #1255 of 1824 🔗

In view of their past its unbelievable how Israel has seemingly slipped into fascism. This video features Reiner Fuellmich, the only hero on the horizon.

https://odysee.com/@Alin:7/Reiner-Fuellmich-interviewing-the-Israeli-lawyer-Tamir-Turgal-about-vaccinating-Israel:6

448697 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1256 of 1824 🔗

OOh thanks for this. Having spent a lot of time in Palestine, their front of being ‘the only democracy in the Middle East’ was always a load of BS to put it mildly.

448899 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mic67, #1257 of 1824 🔗

Rothschild fiefdom.

448712 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #1258 of 1824 🔗

To be fair “ Israel ” has always been problematic on human rights.

448718 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bella Donna, #1259 of 1824 🔗

You noticed this now??

448688 Ricky1, replying to Ricky1, 38, #1260 of 1824 🔗

I have a co-worker who has been difficult with me in the past. A few weeks ago I asked to briefly borrow their pen for a few seconds after mine ran out as I was signing something. She said no “because its a Covid risk and if you touch it I cant use it anymore because its contaminated”. I shrugged them off then but today their attitude has really got me into a mood.

We were discussing holidays over summer and they were adamant that there would be no international holidays this year. I made the mistake of saying its weird not allowing them this year when I went on holiday abroad last summer and we didn’t have a vaccine back then. Christ. Wrong move. For the next half hour I was bombarded with non-stop covid hysteria. People like me have directly contributed to 125,000 deaths, people like me have no idea how to be responsible, people like me stopped the UK from being like New Zealand and Australia, they want to visit family abroad but haven’t because they aren’t selfish, they want to visit family an hour away but haven’t because they aren’t selfish and I have the audacity to travel abroad. People like me are the reason we have new variants, people like me are the reason we are in a third lockdown and so on and so on.

After everything they said I would reply that I came back completely fine, never tested positive and it was legal at the time so even by the standards of the absurd laws we have now I didn’t do anything wrong.

I’m actually tempted to report this to HR. It was unnecessary, hostile, rude and demeaning. Is this a good idea or is it more hassle than its worth?

448693 ▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Ricky1, 22, #1261 of 1824 🔗

She sounds like a giant twat. Ignore her.

448702 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ricky1, 23, #1262 of 1824 🔗

Frankly I’d put her head through a wall, but I understand that kind of thing is frowned on in most workplaces.

448704 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky1, 18, #1263 of 1824 🔗

For many reasons I have tended to avoid this kind of conversation with work colleagues which is a shame in a way as one should as far as possible try to talk people out of their madness

Whether you report her to HR is a matter of personal taste, but I would say that while it may have been uncessary, hostile and rude, it demeaned her and not you and on that basis I would not bother. If someone wants to get into it with me on covid then I will give as good as they get and if they think I’m a granny killer and say so in the end I will just laugh it off.

448714 ▶▶▶ Ricky1, replying to Julian, 12, #1264 of 1824 🔗

This event is a bit of a tipping point for me to be honest. She’s been nasty to me for quite some time (not sure why since I’ve only ever said a handful of things to her) so hopefully reporting it to HR means we won’t get put working together and I wont get sacked for flipping my lid.

448746 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ricky1, 8, #1265 of 1824 🔗

I once started a new created role being the manager in my department, the young woman previously in charge was good friends with a woman in another department. I guess that is why the other woman was hostile to me for the 5 years I worked there. I took redundancy and after another snarky remark from that woman how to do MY job, I had enough. I said to her: we do not like each other, but we have 2 weeks in which we work together, so lets be civil! She was fine after that. Well, at least civil. As she was also arse licking the GM, there was no point to complain.
Maybe have a quiet word with her first, just ask to be civil to each other. Discussing C is obviously a red flag. It is sad, but she is in the cult. Like an addict, unless they want to change, you only make an enemy.

448773 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky1, 3, #1266 of 1824 🔗

I suppose if by reporting her you are not asked to work together it’s probably best for all concerned as long as it doesn’t affect your work adversely in any other way

You could just ask to be separated on the grounds you disagree so strongly

She sounds unpleasant but I am not a great fan of reporting things to HR in general

449159 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Julian, #1267 of 1824 🔗

In my experience it tends to backfire. I would document in great detail though, date it and clearly label it as a grievance. If you have a union rep or trusted colleague share it with them initially.

448849 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1268 of 1824 🔗

Yes, it’s a difficult call. If you have to deal with her a lot and are afraid that things will get worse, than a ‘preventative’ word with HR might make sense in the event you are tempted to strangle her later on. Most of my (university) colleagues are True Covidians, but fortunately I am not even in the same city as they are and have very little online contact. I generally avoid saying anything about the Rona unless I know I’m dealing with ‘one of us’.

448889 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1269 of 1824 🔗

Going to HR would requires cast iron evidence. Recording ? Witnesses (willing to tell the truth ?). Without one or preferably both of these, you’d be on a loser.

Even if you have them, it’s up to you to pick your battles wisely. I’ve always avoided HR as if they were infected. 🙂

448708 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1270 of 1824 🔗

report this to HR

Or you could just argue your side or call her an idiot. This helps confirm to me that I am unemployable!

448715 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ricky1, 5, #1271 of 1824 🔗

Clearly highly strung
Wind her up even more + push her over the edge

448732 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #1272 of 1824 🔗

Yeah, just say:

“It’s just a cold for Christ’s sake”

448777 ▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #1273 of 1824 🔗

Gently stroke her face, love it when you get angry babe…

448774 ▶▶ Morse, replying to Ricky1, 8, #1274 of 1824 🔗

Wind her up even more, show her your holiday snaps, go on about sipping cocktails on the beach, go on about how empty the plane was flying home, go on about how nice it was to travel last year (no crowds or bedwetters), and say how much you’re looking forward to this year.

Tell her you were not selfish at all as you couldn’t give a flying fuck about an exaggerated cold and that you were doing your best to support business’s and families that relied on tourism.

Finally tell her to wind her neck in, get a life and if she talks to you again you’ll rip her head off and shit down her neck. Should quieten her up for a while.

448797 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ricky1, 6, #1275 of 1824 🔗

Set her stapler in jelly.

448843 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1276 of 1824 🔗

We are all stressed to the eyeballs at the moment and some people are really zinging out over little things. I’d ignore her if you can but make a note of it in case the problems carry on and you need to report it later.

Reading that back, it does seem a little 1984 but if she really continues making your life a misery, it may be necessary.

448853 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ricky1, 1, #1277 of 1824 🔗

I’d lose it. They need to understand that it’s not a competition in misery endured as a sacrifice to the Covid gods.

449051 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Ricky1, #1278 of 1824 🔗

I admire your restraint.
But take your gloves off and take the fight to her. Hide her pens. Take her stationery and hide it, and when she cannot find it pick it up, lick it and throw it back at her. Bake cookies for the office, but yell at her she’s verboten because she’s untermenschen. Unplug her laptop/computer cables. Turn off her power supply to everything.
If she leaves her computer unlocked change the language settings.
Fuck it, I’d even pick snot and Chuck it in her coffee/tea/lunch

448699 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #1279 of 1824 🔗

For the many who have raised concerns about masking and testing in schools, this video is essential viewing if you haven’t seen it :

  • Masks in Schools ” – Episode 2 of the Pulse podcast from HART with Dr Elizabeth Evans, Dr Ros Jones and Dr Zenobia Storah (See Round Up )

It’s a three-hander with professionals in child development and education.

As the psychologist says, current policy raises what would have been child protection issues prior to March 2020, with parents being subjected to induced Munchausen’s Syndrome By Proxy.

448724 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 10, #1280 of 1824 🔗

This is what will be the unravelling of a lot of social conventions. Previously there was a standard, often bureaucratic, but still a standard.

Now? Why should a parent be criticised for how they deal with their kids’ schooling if the school itself is suspect.

Why should a family ever be fined again for taking their kids out of school?

Like Zappa’s quote, the walls of the set have fallen and now we see the illusion.

448755 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to mhcp, 6, #1281 of 1824 🔗

And how could you ever trust your GP about anything when she blithely says you should have the experimental “vaccine” without any prior consideration of your age, general health or potential risk factors (the case I have in mind is my daughter’s wish to have another child).

448763 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1282 of 1824 🔗

So many aspects indeed. Now you can push back provided we aren’t all in hte Gulag

448736 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to RickH, 4, #1283 of 1824 🔗

Thanks Rick.

I saw this a few days ago, and I have to say all 3 were very impressive – calm, dignified, rational and eminently sensible.

Best regards

Simon

448767 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #1284 of 1824 🔗

Good to see HART doing this kind of useful work

448706 Crystal Decanter, 9, #1285 of 1824 🔗

Where are the 77th’s tiktok routines??
Would love to see one.
Join in with your Comrades in the NHS

448723 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 12, #1286 of 1824 🔗

Just an observation, I’ve just watched the lord sumption video on UKC, I haven’t spent any time analysing his recent comments or previous comments and have never seen any videos of him but imo he looked very uncomfortable, right arm and shoulder twitching, eyes darting around and he wasn’t looking at the host but looking off into the distance – reading a script being managed from someone behind the camera???

I’m now watching the GMB segment with Dr Shillary and Piers Morgan, what a couple of wankers!

448726 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to stefarm, 11, #1287 of 1824 🔗

Yes Sumption looks like he’s got a gun to his back.

448730 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #1288 of 1824 🔗

It’s odd, isn’t it. Do you think there is literally a gun to these people’s backs? Or have they been threatened with publication of their porn habits or Ann Summers purchases?

I do wonder what the level of this is. What level of threat (or bribery).

448744 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Ovis, 8, #1289 of 1824 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a visit by two blokes in boiler suits from the SAS in the middle of the night. Ditto Hitchens, Swayne and others . . .

448756 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to charleyfarley, 7, #1290 of 1824 🔗

Well yes, Charley. But doing what? Threatening to kidnap the cat? Cutting the fingers off the children? Threatening to ‘do a David Kelly’?

Let’s face it, if Sumption were found hanging from a ligature with an orange in his mouth and trousers round his ankles, precisely none of us now would think: ‘Well, I always thought he looked like a perv.’

449243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Ovis, #1291 of 1824 🔗

That was Stephen Milligan, wasn’t it?

448872 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to charleyfarley, #1292 of 1824 🔗

SAS selection requires intelligence. Can’t see any of them happily threatening someone (a UK citizen to boot) over what they certainly will know is a load of bollox.

The secret squirrels, now, far less moral.

448827 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ovis, 5, #1293 of 1824 🔗

Swayne was absolutely warned. Gove stood outside his home and said as much. Saying there where means to deal with him.

448734 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #1294 of 1824 🔗

I was thinking the same thing when I watched it yesterday. He sat with his arms crossed the entire time, which is a body language indicator of someone who wants to distance themselves from who they are talking to.

449146 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Anti_socialist, #1295 of 1824 🔗

Has he had the vaccine, sorry experimental biotech agent? If “yes” that might explain the twitches and eye darts.

448737 ▶▶ leggy, replying to stefarm, 6, #1296 of 1824 🔗

He’s often like that in videos. Was the same in the Cambridge Law Society (?) lecture he gave a few months back. I just put it down to a twitchy disposition, but I could be wrong. Curious though.

448743 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to leggy, 2, #1297 of 1824 🔗

Yes, fair comment on his body language. But in the vaccination passport clip of that video his body language does strike me as especially being odd.

448748 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to TJN, 2, #1298 of 1824 🔗

Yes, he’s usually twichy and fidgetty, but this was more than that.

He looked distinctly uncomfortable.

448840 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to rockoman, 10, #1299 of 1824 🔗

There was thread running here last night about the disappointing support for vaccines from people who we thought were firmly on the sceptical side: Sumption, Swayne, Hitchens, Walker … They’ve not only apparently contradicted what they said earlier by suddenly being so keen to get jabbed but, instead of just going ahead and doing it quietly, have all made a point of broadcasting or defending their choice. This not only hurts the sceptics but delights the zealots.
In a late post here last night Templeton posed the question “Why such a public bluster from some prominent voices from the sceptics side? And all seemingly at once?
I hadn’t thought of that but it’s been bothering me all day. It is indeed odd that such strong opponents of lockdown would all have capitulated on the vaccine issue, one after the other in such a short space of time. Too coincidental.

448854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Steve F, 6, #1300 of 1824 🔗

Hi Steve,

The timing has been bothering my wife and I too I must be honest.

Admittedly 3 of them are over 65, so maybe it’s as simple as they wanted to have it (totally their right to do so) but needed a compelling backstory to explain it e.g. not being able to travel in future if they didn’t.

It’s the defeatist language that I don’t understand. You literally have several US states saying enough is enough, and other countries opening up.

Odd.

449239 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to SimonCook, #1301 of 1824 🔗

Hello Simon,
Agreed, but what made them want to be so public about it? If they choose to have the vax, well that’s their decision but they know how important they have been to those of us who oppose the tyranny but don’t have their prominence so why do anything to undermine the cause? I can’t help feeling betrayed but also suspicious regarding the choreography.

448869 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve F, 5, #1302 of 1824 🔗

It feels like an invasion of the body snatchers scenario.One by one opponents of this nonsense are turning.
Fuck them.
This only ends when people stop complying.We need to stop looking for someone to save us.We can only do this ourselves.

449242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1303 of 1824 🔗

Someone posted a picture yesterday of Donald Sutherland in the final horrifying minute of that film. A very apt comparison.

448948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ smithey, replying to Steve F, 4, #1304 of 1824 🔗

At this rate Vernon Coleman will soon be telling us he’s had the vaccination

449219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to smithey, #1305 of 1824 🔗

Shhh.

448745 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to leggy, 1, #1306 of 1824 🔗

Fair enough, as I said I’ve never watched him before but to my untrained eye he looked very uncomfortable in what was only a face to face podcast/chat

448775 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to leggy, 4, #1307 of 1824 🔗

He does often fidget in interviews, but as soon as the vaccine passports were mentioned he suddenly looked very defensive & uncomfortable. It wasn’t a confrontational interview or question.

449311 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Anti_socialist, #1308 of 1824 🔗

To be fair, I didn’t make it that far. So much evidence to watch, so little time.

448761 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to stefarm, 4, #1309 of 1824 🔗

The 450 cases a day in hospitals is false. They are essentially using a biased system that will pull any number they want out. They still aren’t eliminating other conditions nor are they reverting to how death certificates are recorded.

Group think and bias.

448776 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to stefarm, 8, #1310 of 1824 🔗

I was unhappy about his vax passport comments , but 2 things struck me – he seemed to think that if you didn’t want the vax you would have to accept limited access to venues because others would not be happy to share that space with you …. and then casually says that the Anti-vax argument is not that persuasive….instantly dismissing anyone who has a different view to him.Same with masks- every one should mask up so those who are nervous can get out of the house ….ffs

448832 ▶▶▶ Susan, replying to Barbara Baker, 5, #1311 of 1824 🔗

What’s so great about “returning to the theatre, “ Lord Sumption? One could argue that the vaccine passport scheme is as intrusive, invasive, and destructive, threatening one’s autonomy and societal well-being, as is lockdown. Lord S’s eloquence does not disguise the logical inconsistency in his point of view.

448779 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to stefarm, 5, #1312 of 1824 🔗

Sumption always does that. He can’t keep still. Some sort of nervous problem but it’s nothing new and I don’t believe he, of all people, is likely to be susceptible to coercion.

448802 ▶▶ Jane G, replying to stefarm, 4, #1313 of 1824 🔗

I have no idea of Lord S’s health but he does continually move/squirm; has done every time I’ve seen him. Could possibly be some neurological thing or, not ‘essential tremor’, but something of that nature. Simon Schama appears to have something similar. I really don’t think it’s evidence of guilty conscience or stress. Particular eye movements are also a likely indicator of some health issue.

448855 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to stefarm, 3, #1314 of 1824 🔗

I think he has some kind of neurological problem. I have seen him twitching before; it’s not unique to this interview and I don’t think he’s under any kind of duress. His position on the ‘magic vaccines’ and compulsion is disappointing, poorly thought out, and inconsistent with the rest of his argument (even though he tried to square the circle). It’s a shame.

448740 DanClarke, 28, #1315 of 1824 🔗

I know its been said before but Lest We Forget: If I am ever asked, on the streets of London, or in any other venue, public or private, to produce my ID card as evidence that I am who I say I am, when I have done nothing wrong and when I am simply ambling along and breathing God’s fresh air like any other freeborn Englishman, then I will take that card out of my wallet and physically eat it in the presence of whatever emanation of the state has demanded that I produce it… I say all this in the knowledge that so many good, gentle, kindly readers will think I have taken leave of my senses, and to all of you I can only apologise and add, in the words of Barry Goldwater, that extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice…. our liberties are being lost because of the intrusiveness and incompetence of the Government.’ Boris Johnson

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449009 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to Victoria, #1317 of 1824 🔗

The start of depopulation

448768 Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1318 of 1824 🔗

A friend sent me this excellent summary of the facts. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1367520791559081984.html

448770 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 14, #1319 of 1824 🔗

.
Hide and seek over, Brazilian found. All pubic hair now safe.

448798 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Liberty, #1320 of 1824 🔗

But are they still looking for the one-armed variant?

448822 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Liberty, 2, #1321 of 1824 🔗

The combo of a Pelé shirt and a Croydon facelift was a dead giveaway.

448861 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Liberty, #1322 of 1824 🔗

Being vaporised as we speak no doubt

448772 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 32, #1323 of 1824 🔗

From my boy’s (primary) school today:

****Asymptomatic testing message from the DfE

NHS Test and Trace announced earlier this week, that all adults in households with school and college age children without symptoms can now access regular rapid coronavirus (COVID-19) testing. Parents and other adults in households with children at school or college, who do not have symptoms, can now access regular, rapid coronavirus (COVID-19) testing. This includes childcare and support bubbles. Tests are fast, easy and completely free. There are different ways for a household, childcare or support bubble to collect their test to take at home, twice-weekly. . . .

Children of primary school age (and below) without symptoms are not being asked to take a test. Testing is voluntary, but strongly recommended to all who are eligible. Getting into the habit of regular testing as part of our everyday lives will help us all to play our part and do what we can to protect each other.****

This is utterly insane. Twice-weekly testing for healthy children and adults on the off-chance that they might find an asymptomatic ‘case’ of Covid-19. Have I slipped into a parallel universe?

Note this language after telling me my son will not be asked to take these tests (he will not be taking any tests even if ‘asked’, full stop):

‘Testing is voluntary, but strongly recommended to all who are eligible.’

1. Note that while my son will not be ‘asked’ to take the test, it does not say that he is ineligible. Therefore he must be among the ‘eligible’.

2. On (1), isn’t the pressure thus on even though he will not be ‘asked’ to take the test, since testing is ‘strongly recommended’.

‘Getting into the habit of regular testing as part of our everyday lives will help us all to play our part and do what we can to protect each other.’

Let’s play with the wording to get to the point/expose the obvious:

‘Getting into the habit of regular fear of Covid-19 as part of your everyday lives will help you all to become nervous wrecks and seriously damage your chances of growing into well rounded, mentally stable individuals.’

That’s the very real danger of such a relentless attack on the well-being of our children. One can only marvel at the level of psychology involved here. It is utterly plain for anyone with eyes to see.

448788 ▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 12, #1324 of 1824 🔗

Utterly evil.

We do a thorough job of protecting our little uns (3 and 5) in the TJN household.

448820 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to TJN, 3, #1325 of 1824 🔗

Good man. Oh for my son to be 3 again. I miss my little baby boy. 10 came around so quickly. He’s still my baby boy, of course, but heaven knows where that time went!

448850 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1326 of 1824 🔗

Can’t say I enjoy toddlers that much …

Anyone comes near them with the jab better watch out. Mrs TJN says even if our doctors offer it for them she’ll complain to the GMC.

448789 ▶▶ dhpaul, replying to JohnDanny, 9, #1327 of 1824 🔗

Appalling. Has anyone seen how long they intend to carry on with this farce? I am assuming it will be indefinitely, unless someone can tell me otherwise.

448826 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to dhpaul, 1, #1328 of 1824 🔗

They’ve done all the preliminary work needed for them to carry on indefinitely. I’m still waiting for the necessary variant to pop up so they can close the schools again. If I could get odds from the bookies I’d have a punt on this happening within about a month.

448801 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1329 of 1824 🔗

When the PM mentioned Operation Moonshot (daily testing for the whole population) it didn’t go down well, so here it is again starting with the children, start to mention everyday lives and hope it can be pushed through via another route.

448825 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 13, #1330 of 1824 🔗

The testing is to create the conditions where we will be begging to be jabbed.Make life intolerable and unworkable through continual testing and quarantine and present people with the key to freedom,the vaccine.
Instead it will be the key to our own prison.

449139 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1331 of 1824 🔗

Or death

448805 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to JohnDanny, 20, #1332 of 1824 🔗

Adolf Hitler became chancellor of Germany in 1933. The first thing he did was to convert the education system into a Nazi indoctrination programme. By 1939 he had created a young generation of zealots who were groomed to do his bidding. We know where that led.
Masks are an abomination whose only function is to dehumanise people. Without a face a human being is not human.

Getting into a regular habit of testing for a disease that has not been isolated or purified and at best is a ‘catch all’ for colds and flu and using a test that is completely useless is a exercise in pushing the boundaries as to how far they can go with their mind bending and fear mongering plans to subdue the population into becoming a toothless mass of jibbering wrecks.

Thankfully, the ‘vaccine’ take up is falling way short of what they would wish and there are growing signs that the wheels are coming off their rickety old wagon. We need only look at their latest recruits for pushing the jab—-Queen Liz, Dolly Parton and Showaddywaddy (try not to laugh!) for goodness sake!

448818 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1333 of 1824 🔗

Be very interesting to see if the younger cohort influencers roll up for the jab: Ariana Grande, the Kardashians, Stormzy and so on. You can bet the Medical Dictatorship will be ringing their agents’ phones off the hook. I’m not confident but you never know.

448949 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1334 of 1824 🔗

Only needs one of them to drop dead shortly afterwards for it to fall apart. Nearly happened with Tom Moore but somehow they re-wrote history that he never had the jab, despite with my own eyes seeing it shown on shittube

448985 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Andrew K, #1335 of 1824 🔗

It’s awful but that is what I am hoping for and what it will take.

448836 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Harry hopkins, 14, #1336 of 1824 🔗

‘Thankfully, the ‘vaccine’ take up is falling way short of what they would wish and there are growing signs that the wheels are coming off their rickety old wagon. We need only look at their latest recruits for pushing the jab—-Queen Liz, Dolly Parton and Showaddywaddy (try not to laugh!) for goodness sake!’

I know. I saw that. Along with the chaps at UK Column, I did indeed laugh. It’s bloody pathetic.

448837 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #1337 of 1824 🔗

The vaccine take up has been low from the very beginning, it was very clear when they use the words “offered” vaccine rather than “had”.

448846 ▶▶▶▶ SimonCook, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #1338 of 1824 🔗

Research shows 57% of adults according to the PDF that was leaked earlier (via Anna Brees/Simon Dolan).

448952 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to SimonCook, #1339 of 1824 🔗

Is that take up or refusal rate?

448935 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1340 of 1824 🔗

It’s worth remembering that the generation that grew up in Naziland was also the generation that rebuilt (West) Germany as a thriving post-war democracy. Not all their brains were permanently washed.

448945 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Annie, #1341 of 1824 🔗

Most of the rebuild came from western money in the fight against Communist Russia.

448786 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 19, #1342 of 1824 🔗

“Totalitarian systems generally all have the same tendencies to methodically isolate and that, in order to guarantee the health of the population, the ‘sick’ portions of the population will be further isolated and locked up in camps. That idea was actually suggested several times during the corona crisis, but dismissed as “not feasible” due to social resistance. But will that resistance persist if the fear continues to increase? You may suspect me of being overly paranoid, but who would have thought in early 2020 that our society would look like this today? The process of totalitarianisation is based on the hypnotic effect of a story and it can only be broken by another story. Hence, I hope more people will question the supposed danger of the virus and the necessity of current corona measures, and dare to speak publicly about this.”

This is the scary bit. There’s already people who want to have the unvaccinated socially ostracized or punished.
They want to make vaccines mandatory (some bod on the BBC has just asked about mandatory vaccines for NHS staff).
Things are very likely to get worse before people realise what they’re doing is morally wrong.

448808 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to LMS2, 10, #1343 of 1824 🔗

Those who can make people believe absurdities, can and will make them commit atrocities…..

448919 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to LMS2, 1, #1344 of 1824 🔗

It’s those who wish these camps on others, who’ll find themselves in such places, as they’ve proven themselves a menace to society!

448936 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jinks, 2, #1345 of 1824 🔗

Solzhenitsyn devotes a whole chapter to such people in The Gulag Archipelago. He calls them the loyalists. Most believed they were in the camps due to an oversight and would be released soon once the mistake had been cleared up. They made the best stoolies.

448794 TheBigman, 8, #1346 of 1824 🔗

BE AWARE!

The social conditioning will continue.

VACCINATION COERCION

FORCED DIETS REDUCE WEIGHT

UN AGENDA 2030 ‘SUSTAINABILITY’ IN THE CLIMATE MEANS MORE TAX.

MORE AFTER THAT

448796 isobar, replying to isobar, 5, #1347 of 1824 🔗

Just when you thought that it couldn’t get any more bizarre! I had to check my calendar to make sure it wasn’t April 1st.

‘Forget unpleasant swabs: New Covid-19 test analyses your SCREAMS for traces of the virus’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9330547/Covid-19-test-analyses-SCREAMS-traces-virus.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_news

448928 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to isobar, #1348 of 1824 🔗

It’s kind of a more bugged-out extension of https://news.mit.edu/2020/covid-19-cough-cellphone-detection-1029

448800 Cumbriacracked, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1349 of 1824 🔗

Requested before I know but can I ask people to email Graham Brady about the introduction today of the “exit papers” and the high court judgment from Justice Chamberlain stating the PM has misled parliament. He may not reply but the more communications he receives I am sure will be important as to if or when the 1922 move against the PM.

448804 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to Cumbriacracked, 9, #1350 of 1824 🔗

The introduction of “exit papers” just two months before the promised 17 May date of being able to go on holiday shows that there will be U-turns in the promised lifting of the lockdowns. The lockdowns will be forever! Welcome to Gulag Britain!

448812 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to TheClone, 5, #1351 of 1824 🔗

I am astonished at the introduction of them from Monday and agree who knows what they will lead to or why now.

448915 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to TheClone, 2, #1352 of 1824 🔗

Might even wake some people up.The independent was quite angry about it.
I am not surprised.We have had a coup and all totalitarian systems prevent people from foreign travel lest they see the truth for themselves

448963 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to TheClone, #1353 of 1824 🔗

Absolutely Gulag Britain.

It was mentioned on here yesterday but never got much attention as far as I could see, but our lords and masters (correction, only our masters, the lords rejected it) enacted this just a few days ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_Human_Intelligence_Sources_(Criminal_Conduct)_Bill

Quite the most vile thing I have ever heard of, it enables certain bodies to commit serious crimes “in the public interest”, these include violence, rape and murder and anything in between, including on juveniles. Oh, and if you survive this onslaught and eventually prove yourself innocent, you will not be entitled to compensation.

Introduced by the lovely Pritti Patel, you might think that in times of warfare such actions might be accepted (although I am sure the Geneva Convention would say otherwise).

That brings up a slight problem. Piffle believes he is fighting a war against both covid and co2 so what would stop his using this act against vaccine refuseniks?

Another slight doubt enters my mind when you see the list of ‘bodies’ enabled to use such methods:

So the HMRC will be able to attach electrodes to your genitals for late payment of tax, and the environment agency will be able to gang rape you for driving a car.

Gulag Britain indeed.

448813 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1354 of 1824 🔗

I haven’t heard of this, do you have a link to an explanation?

448815 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1355 of 1824 🔗

The high court judgement?

448859 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1356 of 1824 🔗

Read article in the Independent, Google not very helpful.

448865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1357 of 1824 🔗

Apologies I should have added the link. Pleased you have found it.

448877 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1358 of 1824 🔗

Is the judgement about contracts?
Will send email to MP as well although he’s completely useless .

448966 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1359 of 1824 🔗

Yes. The PM, in the house, stated all the contracts were “on the record”.

449133 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1360 of 1824 🔗

I stopped watching news on TV in April – looks like I missed something important. What are the “exit papers” you are referring to and what is the high court judgement about?

448803 Elenesse, replying to Elenesse, 57, #1361 of 1824 🔗

I honestly feel like I’m living in a twilight zone. Why is everyone so excited about getting the vaccine? People act like I’m mad for even considering turning it down, and half the time they don’t even know which vaccine they’re taking!

It’s chilling how brainwashed people are. They’ve been manipulated throughout the whole year to fear a virus which doesn’t even affect 99.7% of people, all rationality has gone out the window. They’d rather take their chances of taking an experimental vaccine which is far more likely to cause bad side effects than risk even the slightest possibility of catching the equivalent of a bad cold. Sometimes I wonder if I’d be happier if I was a sheep and believing everything told to me by the government.

Probably, but at least I have my own mind and can think rationally for myself. I’ve been so depressed with what’s happening, and the worst thing for me is that all the sheep just comply with no resistance whatsoever.

448814 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Elenesse, 29, #1362 of 1824 🔗

Yes it’s like most people I know have been engaged as actors and are playing a part. I was not sent the script so am watching in astonishment from the wings.

448819 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 10, #1363 of 1824 🔗

Is it The Truman Show?

448824 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to jos, 4, #1364 of 1824 🔗

Gattaca is next on my dystopian viewing list but I really must re-watch that soon.

448926 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1365 of 1824 🔗

Gattaca is disturbing, but I actually think our current (sur)reality may be worse. At least they don’t have masks in Gattaca!

448835 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Elenesse, 11, #1366 of 1824 🔗

We’ve grown up in the main trusting vaccines and people have been brainwashed into thinking covid is much more deadly than it is, so it’s not really that surprising in a way

448987 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Julian, 2, #1367 of 1824 🔗

…and brainwashed into thinking the current experimental grne therapies are vaccines….

448897 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Elenesse, 8, #1368 of 1824 🔗

Absolutely chilling. But in a way expected as people lost all ability to think critically almost one year ago. Now it’s exacerbated by their desire to get their lives back and the belief that the “vaccine” unicorn is the only road to freedom.

I’m curious as I don’t know anyone here who has had the experimental gene therapy as our rollout has been so slow (thankfully). For those of you who have taken it or know people who have, is there any semblance of informed consent? I’m thinking of running a little experiment here and recording it if/when I’m “called up” for my turn.

First, I will say I won’t wear a mask and see if they will honour my exemption in order to jab me. It would be a huge exception to the rule here as people are denied medical treatment when they’re actually sick if the won’t wear a mask. Experiment could end very quickly, but if they honour the exemption then that’s interesting.

Then I would see if there is any attempt at getting informed consent. If they come straight at me, then I’d start asking questions about approval, risks, long-term effects, whether it prevents infection, liability in the event of a reaction — all questions I know the answer to. In the end I would NOT take the jab but a recording of the interaction could prove very interesting.

It makes me wonder if there might be a liability case if someone recorded the interaction and there was no attempt at getting informed consent and an adverse reaction happened. I know providers are included in the liability protection, but maybe not if they are derelict in their duty.

449127 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1369 of 1824 🔗

I know 2 people who have had the jab so far. Neither were asked anything nor were they given any information – just stabbed with the needle. One was male, the other female. Neither were given any details about where to record any adverse events (side effects) either. One went to their local doctors when called up, the other was about to go abroad so booked an appointment at a centre 30 miles away. Both had sore arms for a day but no other side effects. Yet, but they haven’t had their second jabs yet – and many of the most worrying potential side effects can take 12 months to 3 years to develop. The man had the Astra Zeneca jab (he is aged 60). The woman had the Pfizer jab (she is 72). I note from the Pfizer information sheet for administrators that it specifically describes the information that should be exchanged between the administrator and patient. Clearly ignored in both cases.

449023 ▶▶ Just about sane, replying to Elenesse, 2, #1370 of 1824 🔗

I have been listening to the same for the past few weeks and today my appointment that I never asked for came in. I binned the ‘golden ticket’.

My twilight zone is when I listened to a parent tell me she couldn’t wait to get her children vaccinated, I couldn’t keep quiet but she was horrified at me because I’m not taking it.

The vast majority around me, whether they’ve had covid or not ( I was told yesterday of a 40 something guy getting one of the vaccines and he had covid in April) all believe they will get back to normal again.
I can see a lot of people being seriously disappointed.

Like you I’ve found not one of them know what vaccine they’re getting but they don’t care as long as they get one of them.

449050 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Just about sane, 5, #1371 of 1824 🔗

Everything we’ve been subjected to over the last 12 months has been designed to push into having these vaccines. Unless you were aware of it at the outset, it’s no surprise that so many have fallen into the trap. They think it’s a vaccine like all other vaccines.

448809 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 13, #1372 of 1824 🔗

Anyone want to buy one of my t-shits?

448817 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1373 of 1824 🔗

Me

448829 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1374 of 1824 🔗

Yes! I’ll wear it in London on 20th March.

448866 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1375 of 1824 🔗

I’d buy a yellow arm band with that logo printed on it. I’m serious.

448874 ▶▶ mj, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1376 of 1824 🔗

that is a rare talent – to make shapes. Also, I like the shirt

448893 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1377 of 1824 🔗

Open up shop then, Bill, and let’s get buying.

448923 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1378 of 1824 🔗

I’ll email them out to you right away.

Of course I am not sure if you can email a t-shirt, but I’ll give it a go.

448992 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Old Bill, #1379 of 1824 🔗

Give it your best shot, Bill. No pun intended!

448906 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1380 of 1824 🔗

How about Non-GMO and Proud. I feel much cleaner than the vaxxed people!

448932 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Old Bill, #1381 of 1824 🔗

There is a t-shirt printing company in Germany who does not allow anti corona or vaccine slogans (certain words)
Hope you do not run into this.

448937 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1382 of 1824 🔗

If you can put either any of these phrases on one, then I’ll have one.

“The cull of man has began, open your eyes and not your sleeves.”

“You will own nothing and be happy, the real reason for this covid bollox”

“Facebook can’t censor my T-shirt. Covid is a scam”

“Welcome to police state Britain, well you asked for it”

“Your mask makes me sick”

448810 Awkward Git, 6, #1383 of 1824 🔗

To Ceriain:

Will is interested in miscarriages caused by the covid injections and I’m sure you said you’ve been keeping track of things like that since the MHRA started releasing the ata so can you give him an e-mail to

lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

with all your info if you have?

448816 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1384 of 1824 🔗

There is another poll the NWN is running
Do you welcome covid marshals to the streets of west berkshire..
Yes No or Don’t know.
As nobody ever really reads this paper or gives a damn what they say it should be easy to mess this one up too.
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/poll/poll/33648/poll-do-you-welcome-covid-marshals-to-streets-of-west-berks.html

448828 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1385 of 1824 🔗

51% say they welcome covid marshals. Christ. What is wrong with these people.

448834 ▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to Nymeria, 5, #1386 of 1824 🔗

Jeezus. I am fairly local too. Who knew Newbury was filled with Stasi?!

448839 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to sophie123, 11, #1387 of 1824 🔗

Think most places are filled with Stasi now, Sophie. As for my own town, I feel like I’m the only normal person ‘living’ there.

449107 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Nymeria, #1388 of 1824 🔗

I’m lucky then. Two of us in mine to my knowledge – and judging by the behaviour of locals and posts and comments on the 2 town Facebook groups.

449053 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to sophie123, 2, #1389 of 1824 🔗

I haven’t seen a West Berkshire Covid Womble yet but then I haven’t been into town much since mandatory FN day.

I went into town today actually, its totally totally…broken. Nothing open just a few crappy sad shops with hardly anybody in them, FN on just about everybody but I did see a guy with a landyard.

The new shopping area is empty, every single shop bar the Next click and collect thing and cafe nero is open. Debenhams is closed and empty so is John Lewis. Two of the “flagship” stores in the complex. Waterstones is closed.

The market square has 4 restaurants closed and empty and many empty units.

The kennet centre is just crap on steroids. 70% empty units if not more.

I saw an Indian family playing in the church yard, 3 kids kicking a football around having fun but wearing FNaps, Daddy looked on wearing a FN and fiddling with his phone, Mummy looked worried. After 5 mins they all went back inside to what I know are tiny flats. That was their outdoor time right there.

I had to get my glasses looked at Sp[ecsavers. I called them and they said I could turn up at the door and somebody would have a look at them. I stuck my head in the door and said Hello!

The entire shop looked at me. The girl receptionist behind her safety barrier and FN looked at me then and ignored me.

I stood there for a sec waiting for somebody to come over…nothing….”so do I just wait here until somebody come over her then do I”? I said.

Yes she said, ok, well a guy comes out wearing one and I go to hand him my specs in a box and he says wait, I need to get some gloves on…Really I say?? Yes we have to he said, OK, so he comes back and takes them, I wait over the road watching the footy kids, he waves at me and I pick em up. Job done.

Insane

The CUTS are DEEP, there is no covering OUR their tracks.

448845 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1390 of 1824 🔗

It’s Berks.

448864 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1391 of 1824 🔗

I’m assuming there’s a difference in thinking there?

448873 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nymeria, #1392 of 1824 🔗

Ha no more my bad joke – it is berks (in Berks.) wanting the Covid Nazis.

448883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #1393 of 1824 🔗

🙂 Berks in Berkshire.

448895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nymeria, 2, #1394 of 1824 🔗

Indeed! The perfect abbreviation 😉

448890 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1395 of 1824 🔗

I wasn’t sure at first if you were telling me which county Newbury is in, or if you were saying that the folk living there are more likely to relish the wannabe traffic wardens.

449041 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Nymeria, #1396 of 1824 🔗

Down to 49% now.

448924 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1397 of 1824 🔗

And these thugs are expected to stay even after restrictions are relaxed.

Appalling.

PS.Anybody can vote. Go do it now.

448973 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Two-Six, #1398 of 1824 🔗

Still a majority of Yeses – vote now, vote often!

448823 swedenborg, 16, #1399 of 1824 🔗

Besides LD all had mask mandate and most in Czechia.And the prophetic words of Prof Giesecke a year ago. ”Come back in a year and compare mortality”

448831 Basics, 1, #1400 of 1824 🔗

Alex Thompson, Eastern Approaches and UK Column, excellently reads a lockdownsceptics article.

Little girl syndrome bug-eyes Sridhar at the core of things.
https://youtu.be/gm1_jAQtmc8

Avoid the leering sridhar picture by treating as a radio podcast.

448833 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 9, #1401 of 1824 🔗

It’s tempting to cave. When you see others who you respect caving to the jab, it gets harder. When you know you will keep your family relationships, it grows in appeal. It’s like the fruit on the tree in the garden of Eden. Take it and you will not die. Since the first sin, nothing’s changed, man still wants to live forever. It’s temptation, however it’s packaged.

448841 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Liberty, 25, #1402 of 1824 🔗

My respect for them will decline as a consequence I’m afraid. I’m not in the slightest tempted to cave. I teach young mules how to be stubborn as a sideline.

448856 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 31, #1403 of 1824 🔗

I’m with you. I’m not the least bit tempted. Maybe I’m just a contrarian, but the more people try to talk me into something the more suspicious I am and the less likely I am to conform. In this case, however, I’ve done my homework and am certain the risks far outweigh the benefits.

448888 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 18, #1404 of 1824 🔗

Same here,the more insistently I am told that something is for my own good the more obvious it is to me that it probably isn’t.

449045 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Paul, 4, #1405 of 1824 🔗

Things that have been said to be good for you over the years include being caned, radium, smoking and Smart Motorways.

449136 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to OKUK, #1406 of 1824 🔗

Smart motorways paid for by us so they can charge us per mile as soon as they are finished ! We are snookered !!

449192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to OKUK, 1, #1407 of 1824 🔗

Way back in the summer there was a suggestion (for some reason, not explored by the media) that smoking actually offered some protection against the Covids by tarring your tubes so that the viral particles stuck to it and died like midges on fly paper. I enjoy a few roll-ups during the day and I haven’t had Covid so it must be true.

448951 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 10, #1408 of 1824 🔗

Yes I am like you Lisa, the more pressure the more I am determined to resist. But when did the vaccine morph from it is to protect those vulnerable to serious illness to everyone must take it to protect others?

It is not known how long it will be protective, I think they are certain it will be more like the flu vaccine than MMR because other coronaviruses can be caught again. There are so many unknowns that it feels wrong to me to encourage up take amongst people who have very low risks from a natural covid infection.

449035 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1409 of 1824 🔗

Rather than have the vaccine I might get “Call yourself doctors? Give me Ivermectin!” tattooed on my chest.

449145 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to OKUK, 2, #1410 of 1824 🔗

When the kids were young penicillin was known to calm meningitis but hospitals were hesitant to give it on admission if they were not sure it was the dreaded bug , every time a case was in the papers of babies who had lost limbs etc I used to scream a similar message as your hypothetical tattoo ! Give them penicillin now and worry about if they needed it later !!

449132 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1411 of 1824 🔗

I might get covid which will be definitive live or die so at least my relatives could have closure if the worst happened ! However if I’m Jabbed the conversation for evermore ( if it killed me ) would be ? Was it the Jab ??????????? That did for dad/ grandad / husband / brother/ uncle & general all round good egg ( if I say so myself 😉 ) So Jab on ! I’m not having it !!!

448868 ▶▶ jayp, replying to Liberty, 7, #1412 of 1824 🔗

I’m not tempted no matter what

448880 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Liberty, 12, #1413 of 1824 🔗

Does this help?:
“The vaccine is advertised as an‘attenuated virus’. So it’s another Oxford/AZ one (originally also advertised as a more traditional vaccine).

As usual, they omit one detail – when your cells produce the spike protein, your immune system doesn’t just make antibodies against it. It destroys the cell showing the protein. Cells showing virus protein are, to the immune system, infected. White cells don’t know about vaccines.
Prion genesis by the spike protein which can cross the blood brain barrier…that’s the next stage of the fun (in just a few years). The crossing of the blood brain barrier has been confirmed in autopsies (virus found everywhere in the body). The prion issue has recently been shown in pre-publication medical research. Before that it was shown in humanised mice. I gather that the spike binds on to the ACE2 receptor so strongly that proteins can be deformed. Deformed proteins => prions (which can reproduce in the brain, forming amyloid plaques/Parkinsons/Alzheimers etc)

The true fun being that all the vaccines seem to carry the spike protein (or the recipe to build them). Having the vaccine (any vaccine) is rolling the die just as having the virus is. So we’re re-running the BSE-CJD experiment on humans but this time with the spike protein adding the ability to cross the blood brain barrier. What a time to be alive. I guess that we’ll all know the result in 1-5 years when /if Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s rates go through the roof…or not (I hope).”

448914 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to LMS2, #1414 of 1824 🔗

But it will be our fault for saying that we don’t believe in fairies.

448927 ▶▶▶ DavidDLM, replying to LMS2, -3, #1415 of 1824 🔗

But according to you natural infection has the same risk. So as a society we have 3 choices.
1) Allow the epidemic to progress unhindered and possibly face a later epidemic of CJD
2) Vaccinate the population and possibly face a later epidemic of CJD but probably fewer deaths in the short term.
2) Lockdown indefinitely which will result in the collapse of civilisation.

448984 ▶▶▶ Felice, replying to LMS2, 1, #1416 of 1824 🔗

Could you provide any links or anything further for this info?
I’ve got a sister with MS and a sister with Parkinsons and a further sister who has got something going on, but wont talk about it. Possibly Guillaume Barre syndrome. We all had whopping cough badly in 1959 when we were very small: sister with MS was only a 6 week baby. I was 4, and eldest sister was 8. It’s been worrying me for a few years now that there is something coming down the road for me, and I would like to be informed as much as possible. When I read that the AZ vaccine caused 2 people to get transverse myelitis, and they blamed one on an undiagnosed case of MS, I’ve felt that this jab is far too worrying for me.
Any pointers to understand this better would be appreciated. I dont know where to start.

449101 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Felice, #1417 of 1824 🔗

Felice: If you sign up to Google Scholar you can access several data bases such as PubMed, Science Direct and Elsevier Science which contain hundreds of quality periodicals where articles are labelled as pre-pub or published and peer reviewed. You can enter relevant search terms, and also access the regular Covid-19 bulletins of latest research that feature on each. Some articles are very technical, others quite readable for the layperson. Others you can only read the abstracts and have to pay for full articles. The BMJ has featured some very useful and readable articles on the experimental biological agents currently widely being referred to as vaccines for Covid-19.

448956 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Liberty, 2, #1418 of 1824 🔗

I get annoyed when people talk about ‘the jab’ when there are potentially 4 types of Covid potion and they are all very different. So far we only have examples of the first 2 types mRNA (Pfizer) and Vector types (Astro-Zeneca), to my mind these are the scary types to be avoided at all costs.
I am aiming to avoid these first 2 types, I do not believe I need a vaccine at all but if in the end I have to take something to facilitate International travel to visit family I will consider the 3rd and 4th types, Novavax, Sinopharm and Sinovax, none of these yet available but doubtless coming soon.

449131 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Martindale, #1419 of 1824 🔗

Yes; me too. Totally unsurprising that the Chinese have the safest ones. If you invented the disease, you would have the safest “cure” for your elites, wouldn’t you?

449029 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liberty, 4, #1420 of 1824 🔗

Tempted? About as tempted as attending a timeshare presentation.

448838 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1421 of 1824 🔗
448842 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #1422 of 1824 🔗

Feathering her nest.

448844 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1423 of 1824 🔗

Egg.

448870 ▶▶ l835, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #1424 of 1824 🔗

I’m inspired by her and will also be establishing a charity to pay for my home improvements.

448886 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to l835, 3, #1425 of 1824 🔗

.

448921 ▶▶ Will, replying to bebophaircut, 4, #1427 of 1824 🔗

Between her, Markle and this bollocks isn’t it a time to be alive…

448848 Steve Hayes, 12, #1428 of 1824 🔗

The Nazis did not Strat out by saying, “Let’s exterminate the undesirables.” They implemented their objective one step at a time.

448852 bebophaircut, 7, #1429 of 1824 🔗

When we are finally rid of B & C at #10 DS, they should be sent to live in one of the high density urban areas that they and their kind have imposed on the British Public. Universal Basic Income, Limited Wi-Fi, Electricty, Social Credits, no non-electric car, only bicycles … and you get the picture.

448862 jayp, replying to jayp, 6, #1430 of 1824 🔗

Can anyone give me a medical explanation as to why the reactions to the mRNA vaccines are so widespread and varied.
I’ve been noting from friends and it appears nearly all of them have suffered pretty awful side effects , from blinding headaches,to muscle pains etc. Some have felt terrible for 48 hrs, some for weeks
The Flu vaccine can cause similar but certainly not in so many people and the effects seem less severe

I’ve heard ” That means it’s working as promotes immune response” fair enough an immune response is needed for all vaccines. I know it’s not mild Covid etc.

But what medically is happening to folk? Why are the reactions so bad?

448894 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to jayp, 13, #1431 of 1824 🔗

Because they are changing your DNA and priming the immune system so the stronger the immune system of those injected the stronger the reaction.

The worst reactions are in the younger demographic.

This is multiplied after the 2nd injection.

Mentioned in the studies and various official documents.

I posted some links about it in the past couple of weeks on here.

448903 ▶▶▶ jayp, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1432 of 1824 🔗

I still don’t get it AG… so what causes your blinding headache, facial paralysis, muscle tremors etc. What is the medical reason? Is your immune system targeting your brain…headaches nerves..muscle tremors. What exactly is happening

448922 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to jayp, 1, #1433 of 1824 🔗

Dr Wodarg on Coronaauschuss today reported new research shows that the “vaccine” causes clots. Cannot remember now what of. These clots are definitely formed at the place of injection, but can also be formed primarily in areas of the body where blood flow is slow.
Heart, lungs, I guess brain.
I would have to listen again to be more specific.
If any one is interested, it is in the latter part of a 6hr session.

448939 ▶▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Silke David, 6, #1434 of 1824 🔗

Distributed Intravascular Coagulation can result from sepsis, which is an overreaction of the immune system.
“Sepsis is a life-threatening reaction to an infection.
It happens when your immune system overreacts to an infection and starts to damage your body’s own tissues and organs.” (NHS website).

There seems to be a common thread throughout this, and that is overstimulation of the immune system.

449020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John, 1, #1435 of 1824 🔗

It’s like you immune system ON CRACK!

448929 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to jayp, 3, #1436 of 1824 🔗

Bell’s palsy ( facial paralysis) is thought to be the result of infection and can last up to 9 months. Upper respiratory tract infection, diabetes or dormant herpes infections are risk factors. From Wikipedia “ In December 2020, the U.S. FDA recommended that recipients of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines should be monitored for symptoms of Bell’s palsy after several cases were reported among clinical trial participants, though the data was not sufficient to determine whether a causality link exists.”
Don’t forget that there were two or three cases of transverse myelitis reported after the AstraZeneca vaccine, this is an autoimmune condition.

449013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to John, 1, #1437 of 1824 🔗

Bell’s Palsy, We had a teacher called Mr Bell, he had Bells Palsy, we called him Dinger.

449215 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1438 of 1824 🔗

Children can be very cruel…so can teachers come to think of it.

448907 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1439 of 1824 🔗

Fuck. It’s awful how what the naughty people say keeps turning out to be right. I was reflecting that the Israeli results discussed ATL echo exactly the recommendations made by America’s Frontline Doctors. Simone Gold said months ago that the jab was ‘not irrational’ only for the old; for other age groups ‘prohibited’ or strongly discouraged. Now we find that it is harmful to the old and disproportionately tops the young.

If only Marianna Spring had told us!

448976 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Ovis, 5, #1440 of 1824 🔗

It’s only rational for the old, and least effective for them too.
Which basically brings us back and confirms the real problem and truth here: SARS Cov2/Covid 19 doesn’t fulfil ANY of the 4 standard criteria for a successful vaccine.
Treatment is the correct course of action with it.
But we all know why that never stood and still doesn’t stand a chance.
And that, as such, the people in charge were and are deliberately committing genocide and that they should only go down in history alongside similar
criminals.

449007 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 1, #1441 of 1824 🔗

Ah yes, feel I’m missing out on a bit of comedy as Plebs wasn’t on last night so might have a look at her Twitter feed later one.

449047 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, #1442 of 1824 🔗

I’ve never seen her on television or actually read anything that she’s written (barring a weird headline and perhaps one tweet).

Useful for keeping the crush alive…

448934 ▶▶ wendy, replying to jayp, 1, #1443 of 1824 🔗

I think it is the coating that keeps the body from attacking the mRNA until it gets into cells that might cause the side effects. I also read that some people who have an allergic reaction do so to the polyethylene glycol as many people have