Last updated2021-03-06T10:44:41



449393 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #1 of 1267 🔗

Good morning everyone – the headline today reminds me of Last Tango in Halifax!!

Great series

449417 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Judy Watson, 21, #2 of 1267 🔗

Those wicked, wicked old people, believing what they were originally told.

449394 miahoneybee, 6, #3 of 1267 🔗

2nd 😊 …great but a poor nights sleep is the reason so maybe not so great ..never been so high before though 😊 😊

449395 Moist Von Lipwig, replying to Moist Von Lipwig, 93, #4 of 1267 🔗

This glacial exit from lockdown is not cautious, restrictions are not cautious, lockdown is not cautious, it is disastrous.

Restrictions are extremely damaging.

Saying a glacial exit from lockdown is cautious is like saying a slight reduction in the number of times Frank Bruno punches you is cautious.

449442 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Moist Von Lipwig, 42, #5 of 1267 🔗

Or leaving a burning building slowly is cautious.

449458 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Moist Von Lipwig, 36, #6 of 1267 🔗

Waiting for a health & safety assessment before rescuing a drowning child is cautious.

450468 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to Moist Von Lipwig, #7 of 1267 🔗

Frank Bruno?
You’re showing your age.

449396 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 11, #8 of 1267 🔗

Always look on the bright side, Cambodians who flout Covid rules could face 20 YEARS in prison after parliament passes draconian law be thankful you don’t live in Cambodia.

449401 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 15, #9 of 1267 🔗
449405 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Anti_socialist, 38, #10 of 1267 🔗

Right…someone who supposedly won an overwhelming majority needs to hide behind barbed wire surrounded by thousands of soldiers…

449420 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Elisabeth, 21, #11 of 1267 🔗

If I had an army of tanks, Boris would need exactly that.

449716 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Anti_socialist, #12 of 1267 🔗

A Praetorian Guard. All the best democracies have one.

449408 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Anti_socialist, 16, #13 of 1267 🔗

I thought Cambodias main problem was flu rather than Covid ?
Still why miss an easy chance to introduce draconian powers by a nasty government.

It was clear that ‘public health’ would be a danger once it was elevated last decade.

The most murderous phase of the French Revolution was during the rule the ‘Committee For Public Safety ‘.

449414 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #14 of 1267 🔗

The word used was actually salut , which is closer to ‘salvation’ than ‘safety’. The Committee turned bloodshed into a dogma.

449450 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Annie, 1, #15 of 1267 🔗

‘Salvation’ must have been too subtle for my history books 🙄

449454 ▶▶ mj, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #16 of 1267 🔗

they must be missing the benevolent leadership of Pol Pot

449503 ▶▶ iane, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #17 of 1267 🔗

Coming, shortly, to a location near you!

449673 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #18 of 1267 🔗

Delingpole did have a headline last year saying, “We voted Boris, we got Pol Pot.”

450166 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #19 of 1267 🔗

The country of the Killing Fields and Khmer Rouge….

450325 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to LMS2, 1, #20 of 1267 🔗

It wasn’t a human rights paradise before them or after them. In the 1960s, Sihanouk’s police disembowelled members of a music group for singing songs deemed subversive, and displayed their livers outside the police station. Sihanouk was overthrown by Lon Nol, which gave rise to an anti-Chinese pogrom.

450606 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Anti_socialist, #21 of 1267 🔗

Unfortunately it might just be a matter of time. We must must push back.

449397 nottingham69, replying to nottingham69, 68, #22 of 1267 🔗

No I wouldn’t recommend children or anyone watch Attenborough! A complete fraud that guy.

449403 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to nottingham69, 1, #23 of 1267 🔗

He brought snooker to our television screens.

449422 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #24 of 1267 🔗

To Richard,
‘s shame, David is related.

449421 ▶▶ Annie, replying to nottingham69, 88, #25 of 1267 🔗

He was wheeled out in the first week of the bollox, to tell everybody to stay in prison. Haven’t heard him denouncing the filthy residue from a trillion face nappies lately, either. The disgusting old hypocrite.

449429 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Annie, 25, #26 of 1267 🔗

His best before has definitely expired.

449497 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Annie, 44, #27 of 1267 🔗

No he’s not complaining about turtles and birds with face nappies stuck on their bodies . Or all the plastic waste. And extra energy being used to beat schools etc who keep windows open all day. My mum had some disability aids delivered (arranged by NHS) yesterday. Delivery lady got out of car, masked up and put gloves plastic apron on. Mum was told to open all doors and Windows while the woman was there.

449612 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to rose, 26, #28 of 1267 🔗

Some people have been very deeply disturbed by all this.

450169 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #29 of 1267 🔗

Maybe they already were and this has just brought it to the fore.

Like the U.S. voting for Trump brought out all the anti-American vested interests.

449580 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 47, #30 of 1267 🔗

He was making loads of noise about straws and coffee cups.

Then tumbleweed about muzzles and disposable PPE.

Most odd.

449639 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #31 of 1267 🔗

He’s got the word “Sir” in front of his name these days hasn’t he? That tells me all I need to know. You don’t get given titles by thinking for yourself – they are a reward for “fitting in” to the nth degree.

449653 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 22, #32 of 1267 🔗

Hence the reason why Devaid Bellamy, his rival “only” had a CBE.

Can you imagine if both men debated each other.

450082 ▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to Annie, 4, #33 of 1267 🔗

Regarding environmental messaging hypocrisy on a more local level, we have the issue of massive amounts of litter being left behind by the council when they come to collect recyclable waste. Our local council policy is that recycled waste must not go in refuse bags, so when they come to collect it, the litter gets flung all over the place.

So here we have the public doing their bit for the environment (while simultaneously dumping their muzzles everywhere), separating their rubbish, even cleaning it when necessary, just for the council to chuck it all over the place – and usually gathers in my bloody garden!

We live in a maddening world.

449456 ▶▶ mj, replying to nottingham69, 36, #34 of 1267 🔗

the public face of the BBC’s “climate catastrophe” lies and scaremongering

449400 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 99, #35 of 1267 🔗

Times are hard for satirists.


In the above video Boris Johnson tells us all to exercise. He extolls the health benefits. He even tells us that his government is promoting exercise. And he does all this with a straight face.

Johnson is, of course, right in saying that exercise is beneficial. He is also correct in claiming that it should be encouraged. Indeed, lack of exercise is the major public health problem. But claims to be promoting exercise from the leader who dictatorially imposed lockdown (on 23 March 2020 for three weeks, which is constantly extended into the near future by ever changing rationales), placing people under virtual house arrest looks like nothing so much as a flagrant attempt to steal the work of satirists.

In the video Boris deftly dismisses any notion that closing gymnasiums might have made it more difficult for people to take exercise by pointing out there are apps on your phone, neatly eliding reality and virtual reality, with a clear preference for the latter: appearance over substance.

So the fact that sport has been shut down (except for the elite), that exercise can only be taken with members of one’s household, that the police harass people for exercising, that corporate media so called journalists aided and abetted by so called experts demonise people who choose to run or cycle (which other than walking is the only exercise we are allowed) is nothing to be concerned about because there are apps.

What is a poor satirist supposed to do when the leader of the country spouts such nonsense? How can one caricature the blatantly absurd?

449411 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Steve Hayes, 55, #36 of 1267 🔗

The stay indoors and ban exercise policy on health grounds is completely counter productive. The national weight gain this winter though will be huge, bringing yet more people into serious bad health red zones.

The cynical among us may believe Bunter has another agenda.

450194 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nottingham69, 8, #37 of 1267 🔗

The stay at home and rot policy might well prove productive, if the real aim of government is depopulation. Of course, the main tools of the depopulation agenda are the Covid terminator vaccines, that clearly aren’t vaccines, but lack of exercise will certainly help things along a bit. As they say at Tesco, every little helps.

449423 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to Steve Hayes, 41, #38 of 1267 🔗

Exercise is important, agreed – but it means nothing if you’re shovelling shit into your mouth on a daily basis. Food is the public health crisis and until we change that and peoples perception of what is in it that is causing us to get heart disease, cancer, COPD, diabetes etc then going for a jog or walk will do little.

449431 ▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to Steve Hayes, 25, #40 of 1267 🔗

Hey! I’m not denouncing sport at all – do a shit ton myself but people think that going for a jog or walking a few miles will counteract the food they eat. Sprinting (and I mean absolutely pegging it) for one mile will burn less than 100 calories. A 5 Mile walk around 300 calories. Then we eat and drink a load of shit and wonder why we’re not losing weight. ‘But I exercise’. You don’t.

449470 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Dobba, 7, #41 of 1267 🔗

Yes, but if you do lots of exercise your body craves good food, and naturally rejects the garbage. And when you’re at your correct weight for the day, you don’t feel the urge to carry on eating.

That’s my experience anyway.

449475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to TJN, 6, #42 of 1267 🔗

You need to hang out with some parkrunners TJN – it is literally all about cake and buns and brownies and flapjacks. I accept that sprinters, cross fitters and weight lifters may be different.

449570 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fiona Walker, 2, #43 of 1267 🔗

I LOVE cake and buns and brownies, but not flapjacks, so maybe I may yet reach Nirvana.

449572 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Fiona Walker, 3, #44 of 1267 🔗

I’m speaking mainly from a swimming point of view – which I can’t do right now. But I find when I’m training I instinctively want good food, and stop eating when I don’t need anymore. Don’t mind the treats of course, but they do become just that.

But it must be easy to slip the other way, and become addicted to the next sugar rush, caffeine, or coca cola hit. Lockdown will have done much to engender that.

I’ll probably be banned from swimming pools from now on, as I won’t have had the jab. Still, another 6 weeks and the sea will become possible (for me!) again.

449925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ lorrinet, replying to TJN, 4, #45 of 1267 🔗

They’re probably searching for a variant in sea water right now.

450133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to TJN, 2, #46 of 1267 🔗

We walk daily at the coast in Kent. Never have i seen so many swimmers during the winter, there are dozens of loonies braving the cold water. I crave a swim, but no way I’m getting in the freezing English Channel until at least May!

450242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TreeHugger, #47 of 1267 🔗

Yep, late April to May for me – even in a wetsuit!

450478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alpine, replying to TreeHugger, #48 of 1267 🔗

Where in Kent? My sister is a Kent sea swimmer, and we have travelled from London to join her a fair few times over the winter (Folkestone, Tankerton, Hythe…)

450197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJN, 2, #49 of 1267 🔗

Don’t worry too much, as sooner rather than later, we the unvaccinated will have the pools all to ourselves. Though, we may have to take turns at stoking the boiler and checking the chlorine levels.

450245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Rowan, 1, #50 of 1267 🔗

Ummm – Heaven knows where this will end. Seriously.

449728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ dhpaul, replying to Fiona Walker, #51 of 1267 🔗

Speak for yourself! On the parkrun that I go to in normal times, the cake and coffee crowd are a very small minority.

449473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Dobba, 9, #52 of 1267 🔗

As a regular competitive runner over many years I found that the phrase “you can’t outrun a bad diet” is sadly true. Weight loss is 80% food intake and 20% exercise – I always put on weight pre-marathon despite the regular twenty mile training runs. And it’s a fact that about 90% of runners do it just for the cake.

449641 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Dobba, 2, #53 of 1267 🔗

…and somewhere or other I read that it’s surprising how many calories one burns just from being a fidget. Up/down/twist around and generally can’t sit still in one’s own home.

449750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Dobba, 1, #54 of 1267 🔗

No one can sprint for a mile. The longest time that any human being can sustain a sprint is twenty seconds.

449451 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Dobba, 6, #55 of 1267 🔗

No you can’t out-train a bad diet, although exercise always means something. Getting quality fruit and veg in any big supermarket isn’t easy, much looks ready for the bin , not to sell but the government let’s them stay open. If there was one area I wouldn’t have minded shutting it was was big supermarkets.

449457 ▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to nottingham69, 12, #56 of 1267 🔗

Hello to my native city. 😊 It does – but it’s one step forwards two steps back. There’s plenty of fruit and veg in supermarkets – the quality of it variable admittedly but a microwave meal or high sugar and bad fats is easy and more appealing to most. Food education should be fundamental in schools other than baking cakes and at home by parents. We’ve been programmed to fall for advertising (more so these day) when the best route for health is more whole foods and less shit.

Simple equation: eat/drink less shit + exercise more.

449461 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Dobba, 9, #57 of 1267 🔗

Absolutely agree. I think the equation should be given to overweight nurses.

449476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to fiery, 8, #58 of 1267 🔗

All that dancing didn’t cancel out the cupcake intake did it 😂 !

449701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to fiery, 18, #59 of 1267 🔗

So true. As an ex-NHS employee (not clinical – medical illustration department) who went all over the hospital from wards to theatre I was amazed how unhealthy the people were that worked there. It was like the walking dead – and that’s just the staff. During theatre operations there’s trays of pizza and cakes and sandwiches brought in throughout the day for people to eat during procedures. The NHS is a business – it’s not about health I found. Eye opener.

449740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Dobba, 8, #60 of 1267 🔗

It’s Captain Tom’s fault – didn’t a chunk of the £30M go to buy comfort food for our hardworking NHS folks. The only problem being that a lot of them haven’t had much work to do. What a rotter he turned out to be.

449790 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Robin Birch, 7, #61 of 1267 🔗

And most of them plainly didn’t need any more food.

449489 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Dobba, 1, #62 of 1267 🔗

Input should match output.

450482 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Dobba, #63 of 1267 🔗

Do yo know any other words besidea sh.t?It’s getting a bit boring.

449591 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to nottingham69, 25, #64 of 1267 🔗

If you shut big supermarkets, the people in my area would have starved as we have no markets and our high street was decimated a long time ago so it’s now non-existent.

That’s the reason why I get angry with lockdownistas who bang on about “staying at home” and “staying local.” For many people “local” means no decent shops and no amenities.

449870 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to nottingham69, 5, #65 of 1267 🔗

I buy almost all my fruit and veg on the market. Much cheaper, locally sourced (I buy in season), probably fresher.

450137 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Silke David, 2, #66 of 1267 🔗

i used to too but havent been back since a run in with the stasi gestapo guards there . no way am i wearing a mask there . i even wrote to one of the nice farmers that would be back when no masks but got no reply .

i wonder if they know they a re losing customers because of the zombie rule although maybe i really am in the minority a more scary thought than the zombies

449586 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Hayes, 38, #67 of 1267 🔗

That’s pretty much vindicated my thought from the beginning that this long ago ceased to be about a virus.

And of course “protect the NHS” is a joke because the NHS will be overwhelmed alright but not by Covid. It will be untreated illnesses, illnesses acquired because of lockdown, mental health issues, substance abuse, domestic violence.

When the NHS start wailing about those I will point out that they were complicit in their own problems.

449735 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #68 of 1267 🔗

Although by the time many of those present they are terminal, which keeps things simple and fairly cheap.

449788 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #69 of 1267 🔗

Keith Cuntabout on the NHS….

449918 ▶▶ lorrinet, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #70 of 1267 🔗

I assume the House of Commons has its own gym, though? Just as it has a smoking-room. We should demand use of them, after all, they belong to us and we pay for them, just as we pay for all the damned perks denied to the rest of us – the ‘commons’ – whose House it is.

450096 ▶▶ J4mes, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #71 of 1267 🔗

I regularly point out the fact top-level football has continued (without the presence of the peasants in the stands). Millionaire pansies are permitted to kick a football round, hug each-other, spit everywhere, shake hands, etc, then as soon as the match is finished, on goes the muzzle and they’re ferried away together on a bus.

On the other hand, golf is banned, where competitors mostly find themselves hundreds of yards apart, tennis is banned, archery is banned, moto racing, badminton, baseball, canoe/kayak, cricket, rock-climbing, sport cycling, equestrian (to prevent the horse catching corona off the rider I guess), skiing, etc, ad infinitum…

Why can’t the general public see the ridiculous double-standards? (A rhetorical question)

450154 ▶▶▶ Javy, replying to J4mes, 5, #72 of 1267 🔗

This is a mystery to me too J4ames. How can it be OK for all those footballers and rugby players to carry on hugging, tackling, back slapping etc. when everyone else has to keep their distance from each other ? I’ve been waiting for one of the media journalists to ask this at the daily TV updates but not heard a peep about it so far….

449402 Elisabeth, replying to Elisabeth, 74, #73 of 1267 🔗

„…the Government has made it illegal to leave the country for non-work reasons from March 8th. In guidance published yesterday…“ WHAT DAFUQ kind of dystopia are you living in???

449435 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Elisabeth, 20, #74 of 1267 🔗

And supposedly on a road map OUT of lockodwn and made just now- message loud and clear…

449446 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Elisabeth, 27, #75 of 1267 🔗

A “nobody leaves the country until everyone is vaccinated” dystopia

449597 ▶▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to stewart, 13, #76 of 1267 🔗

yes, how long till these “exit passes” morph into vaccination passes to leave the country, regardless if the destination requires the poison.

449628 ▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Elisabeth, 12, #77 of 1267 🔗

Maybe this lines up with something about to happen, for which people would want to flee the country over? Just surmising.

450231 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to GuyRich, 4, #78 of 1267 🔗

I think you may be on to something. That wouldn’t be happening without a reason and a bad one at that.

450296 ▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Rowan, 3, #79 of 1267 🔗

Unfortunately, I think something bad is always just about to happen! This is a genuine nightmare for me.

449773 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Elisabeth, 10, #80 of 1267 🔗

The one where you promise freedom with a jab but then deny freedom with laws. All those that had the jab like Hitchins to facilitate free movement must feel pretty stupid right now.

450232 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Spikedee1, 2, #81 of 1267 🔗

He won’t be feeling anything before too long, but as you as you say stupid will do, for now.

450664 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Spikedee1, #82 of 1267 🔗

He’ll just mumble his way out it and if anyone critizises him he’ll tell them they can’t think and are stupid.

449404 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 64, #83 of 1267 🔗

Anti-school shutdown group launches campaign against masks in class, dividing Brits over whether they’re ‘degrading’ or necessary

In an open letter to Education Secretary Gavin Williamson on Thursday, UsForThem argued that “you can’t teach with face coverings and you can’t expect people to learn with face coverings.”

449415 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 19, #84 of 1267 🔗

UsForThem were, I believe, quoting a notorious dissident and shameless Coviddenier called Boris something.

449467 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Anti_socialist, 64, #85 of 1267 🔗

This campaign is gathering momentum and it will help us all. I told my agency yesterday that I will not teach in a classroom where children are wearing masks.

449469 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 4, #86 of 1267 🔗

What if each child in the class is allowed to make their own choice ?

449518 ▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to karenovirus, 11, #87 of 1267 🔗

My granddaughter will wear one. She’s been got at. She is also having tests. I sent all the relevant info about abstaining to no avail

449526 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to karenovirus, 5, #88 of 1267 🔗

If they can prescribe children contraception, and help arrange terminations, of course they can ! See “Gillick Competency”.

449584 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 15, #89 of 1267 🔗

Good point, in fact in my email to the agency I used the word ‘compelled’, however the issue is that any mask wearing introduces a barrier to communication and results in classroom management problems. I speak from experience.

450239 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Basileus, 4, #90 of 1267 🔗

Voluntary masks will still be a barrier to communication.

450241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Rowan, 2, #91 of 1267 🔗

Give it a month and nobody would be wearing them.

450237 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 5, #92 of 1267 🔗

Not good enough. No masks is no masks.

450293 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 2, #93 of 1267 🔗

Children should not be allowed to make decisions that significantly harm them.

449567 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, 10, #94 of 1267 🔗

Good for you, cheers, salutations.

449780 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 17, #95 of 1267 🔗

Did you see that fantastic YouTube video yesterday from the three lady doctors talking about the effect on children. Why do politicians not listen to these “experts” rather than the sudo experts like Mitchie from sage? You have turned a generation of children into germaphobes.

449797 ▶▶▶ stevie, replying to Spikedee1, 11, #96 of 1267 🔗

Because they are looking at Behavioural Insights for control not for medical reasons.

449406 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 87, #97 of 1267 🔗

Apropos ATL item 2, Schools.
Local Live online (mirror group news) 5/3/21.

‘A growing army of parents are demanding schools go back to how they were run before the Pandemic.

Mums and dads have cited the ‘harm’ enforced Covid 19 measures have on children in the past year.

A campaign group called Fight For Our Kids has been founded by mum-of-four Tara Porter who says she cannot sit back and watch her children suffer more.

Her campaign is calling for.
● No more testing in schools
● No more masks in school for teachers and children
● No ‘bubbles’
● No social distancing.

Tara has organised a strike day both locally and nationally for Monday 15th March when parents will take their children out of school to peacefully protest on the streets.’

Tara’s local group is said to number 300.
Local Live seem to give explicit support by giving the story the usual 223k likes.

449596 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 53, #98 of 1267 🔗

Good luck to her and it should be extended to working people. Many still don’t realise that there are two easy ways to end this shit show:



449645 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bart Simpson, 36, #99 of 1267 🔗

Not to forget:


449661 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ElizaP, 4, #100 of 1267 🔗

That too!

450224 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #101 of 1267 🔗

And stop getting vaccinated with the Gates terminator vaccines.

449424 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 72, #103 of 1267 🔗

If NHS. closed down completely owing to a strike, there would be a lot less Covid, for starters.

449482 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Annie, 48, #104 of 1267 🔗

We protected the NHS, they clearly have no interest in protecting us.

449784 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Fiona Walker, 16, #105 of 1267 🔗

They never have. That’s the joke. They’re just a giant taxpayer-funded pharmaceutical money laundering racket.

449801 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to TheHandbag, 25, #106 of 1267 🔗

I had the misfortune to work for the NHS for many years and I was appalled at the theft (almost considered a ‘perk of the job’), waste, fraud and corruption. Nobody is ever prosecuted as it ‘looks bad’ to the public. You could triple the funding and most would leave via the back door. I can tell you for a fact that they do NOT like a whistle blower and although I saved them losing another couple hundred of grand, I was never forgiven and hounded out of my job. The thieves range from cleaners up to the execs. The frauds are more sophisticated. Clap for them? Never!

450272 ▶▶▶ jcd, replying to Annie, 1, #107 of 1267 🔗

And fewer deaths!

449498 ▶▶ MFvH, replying to Anti_socialist, 8, #108 of 1267 🔗

Just wait for the u-turn….

449752 ▶▶▶ iansn, replying to MFvH, 15, #109 of 1267 🔗

I don’t think so. People will start to slowly understand what a lying bunch of fuckwits make up the government. Boris played the NHS card every time he could, flag waving, praising them, clapping them.
He is a complete idiot, putting this group of people on a pedestal, making their heads big eventually needs some payback. Its a highly unionised environment, highly controlled, so ripples of discontent from senior management who are hated by the staff will be seen as support and will provoke more agitation lower down and be seen as support for them by the seniors. Divide and rule. Seniors will get a payoff to slap them all down soon, just wait and see.
The cabinet have no people management skills and rely on wonks, polls and feed back groups to tell them what ‘the people’ are thinking, yet these people are all deficient in these skills too. A feedback circle of the same opinions leads always to the same answer. Do what is the exact opposite of what is actually required. Boris has pulled up the bridge on any kind of opinions outside of the inner circle and SAGE, so he is well and truly fucked. He is in a hole and the only thing he knows is to keep digging.
Nothing will change at all, in fact you can bet that it will still get worse, until the people rise up and say enough and then we can get back to our lives.

449854 ▶▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to iansn, 7, #110 of 1267 🔗

And he has had the unbelievable arrogance to allow Princess nut nut blow around £200k on redecorating the Downing Street flat!

450138 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richardw53, 1, #111 of 1267 🔗

I believe the allowance to be 30k for refurbishment they therefore owe the taxpayer 170k refund.

450165 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to richardw53, #112 of 1267 🔗

Just think I had my whole house refurbished plus rewired for 20 grand.

450007 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to iansn, 11, #113 of 1267 🔗

Worthwhile emphasising::

“Nothing will change at all, in fact you can bet that it will still get worse, until the people rise up and say enough and then we can get back to our lives.”

Great Reopening and StandupX 20 March.

449541 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #114 of 1267 🔗

They just need to lose some weight™, smarten themselves up and make themselves more babies attractive… That’s what the Deer Leader would say.

449601 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Anti_socialist, 47, #115 of 1267 🔗

A 1% pay rise isn’t “insulting.” Given that the government has destroyed the economy to allow them to do Tik Tok videos and indulge in free food to their heart’s content.

They should count their blessings as others have had their pay cut, frozen or they’ve lost their jobs.

449786 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bart Simpson, 25, #116 of 1267 🔗

Yes in the real world where about 2.5 million people have lost their jobs from policies aimed at protecting you. A 1% pay rise is a fucking luxury!!

449799 ▶▶▶▶ Hughie, replying to Spikedee1, 26, #117 of 1267 🔗

Absolutely. I am absolutely fuming at the news this morning. Was a mistake to read it. This kind of abuse of the language:

The British Medical Association and other unions said their staff “have literally kept the country alive for the past year”

Just shows the utter cretinism afoot in these bloated organisations. More ridiculous inflation of the idea that this virus is some sort of terrifying plague.

I’m just so angry. These people have kept their jobs (even the ones who malingered their way through the whole thing at home) while IN THEIR NAME millions of us lost our businesses and income.

Completely mad

450628 ▶▶▶ FW, replying to Bart Simpson, #118 of 1267 🔗

Job security and guaranteed pensions are increasingly valuable now.

449428 ▶▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #121 of 1267 🔗

„I’m from the government and I’m here to help“
„And nobody has the intention of building a wall“

449426 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to Anti_socialist, 29, #122 of 1267 🔗

Amazes me when they use these wild headlines using words like ‘majority’ and ‘overwhelming numbers’.

So, you’ve surveyed every single person in the country then mate? And the mugs keep getting mugged off.

449554 ▶▶▶ popo says, replying to Dobba, 8, #123 of 1267 🔗

It’s called ‘Push-Polling’ It’s how Hitler got us into WW2: he pushed on Poland.

449565 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to popo says, 2, #124 of 1267 🔗

Everything Hitler did was a-polling.

449547 ▶▶ popo says, replying to Anti_socialist, 18, #125 of 1267 🔗

Brought to you by the ‘Hold my brain’ Department Behavioral Insights Team?

449789 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Anti_socialist, 7, #126 of 1267 🔗

But again what was the question asked. Was it, would you carry a vaccine card or would you prefer not to be vaccinated at all and just go back to living normally? Mmmm I doubt it.

450141 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #127 of 1267 🔗

They can FO.

449413 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Anti_socialist, 43, #129 of 1267 🔗

Face masks do not prevent viral transmission.

449440 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 34, #130 of 1267 🔗

6 months ago

449771 ▶▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to karenovirus, 8, #131 of 1267 🔗

I saw an American article trying to debunk this by saying the mask wasn’t fitted correctly when we can clearly see the vapour comes through the mask and the tester is a trained doctor-desperate stuff by the true believers.

449562 ▶▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #132 of 1267 🔗

I would think that most of us on here would agree with you but the maskoid zealots would dis agree ‘cos the govment said so’.

449416 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Anti_socialist, 20, #133 of 1267 🔗

85% moron plays 89% moron.

449794 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 5, #134 of 1267 🔗

I keep waiting for Sleepy Joe to pass out through lack of oxygen. What a muppet. The beauty of America is States can make their own policies and like Kristi and Joe really stick it to the man!!

449452 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #135 of 1267 🔗

because 2×0=0 ; just as you could wear 100 facemasks if you want, but you would still find 100×0=0

449468 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #136 of 1267 🔗

2 x 0 = 0. The ‘slightly’ is experimental error.

449418 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 14, #137 of 1267 🔗
449433 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Anti_socialist, 13, #138 of 1267 🔗

There is a good chance that it is, I watched an interview with an Israeli Lawyer yesterday confirming that this is happening there, so an upsetting listen. Genuine or not, the message “every hand on deck is needed” really does apply and urgently now, to here and everywhere.

449453 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Anti_socialist, 6, #139 of 1267 🔗


Here’s more evidence from Israel.

449479 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #140 of 1267 🔗

Israel, Apartheid??? Come on, already! Ask any pal or Stein.

449419 Anti_socialist, 7, #141 of 1267 🔗
449430 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 11, #142 of 1267 🔗

What’s the difference between an injection and Boris Johnson?
One’s a little prick.
Vaccine = freedom to meet? My, how I chuckled!

449434 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PatrickF, 18, #143 of 1267 🔗

ATL: Oldies leading the charge out of lockdown/roadmap, let’s hope schoolchildren and their parents man the second wave on Monday.

449575 ▶▶ Boris Buffoon, replying to PatrickF, 14, #144 of 1267 🔗

What’s the difference between Matt Hancock and a bucket of shit?

The bucket.

449432 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 74, #145 of 1267 🔗

Del Bigtree of The Highwire, who lives in Texas where all Covid measures have been dropped, reports that only 7.5% of the population has had 2 doses of the experimental gene therapy but since January “cases” are down 75%, hospitalizations are down 65%, and deaths are down 70%. IT’S NOT THE VACCINE. It’s the typical decline of hospitalizations and deaths at the end of every cold and flu season. Texas hasn’t vaccinated enough people to account for such huge drops since January. I would guess the same holds true for the UK insofar as seasonal patterns, though you have vaccinated a far higher percentage of the population. Here in Canada we’re seeing similar downward trends and we have vaccinated maybe 5%.

Of course the MSM will ignore seasonal trends and chalk up the disappearance of Covid to the vaccine. Just as they have ignored the charts showing identical curves between places that locked down and mandated masks and places that didn’t.

449437 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 37, #146 of 1267 🔗

The British establishment never really grasped the fact that the Earth goes round the Sun, not vice versa.
And that Establishment includes the President of the Royal Society, who believes devoutly in face knickers and, I have no doubt, reads his horoscope every morning in The Sun.

449478 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 5, #147 of 1267 🔗

Hey, please don’t associate geo-centrists with the British Paedo-Establishment. I’m a geo-centrist, and most geo-centrists, were on to this bullshit from the beginning. The guy who wrote, “99%” Daz, is also a geo-centrist. The globe is a satanic conspiracy, along with evolution to take people away from the Creator, the intelligent design of creation, and directly responsible for the shitshow humanity is in!

449445 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #148 of 1267 🔗

My County population 1.2 million
Total in hospital ‘with covid” 43, down 50% on last week. Includes patients admitted for other reasons who tested positive once admitted.
Patients in Nightingal hospital = Zero.

449449 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 28, #149 of 1267 🔗

This why the UK does not lift lockdowns until the percentage of vaccinations isn’t very high. So it can claim it is the lockdowns that keep deaths and infections down.

Otherwise, if lockdown is lifted and people see the virus is gone away, they won’t bother getting vaccinated.

449561 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 9, #150 of 1267 🔗

From the ONS infection survey data the PCR positives in the over 70s (the age group with greatest proportion vaccinated) in the UK haven’t come down any more than any other age group. In fact they went up shortly after vaccination

It’s seasonal decline for sure.

449959 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #151 of 1267 🔗

PCR means nothing.

449798 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #152 of 1267 🔗

But some policing in Canada has been CCP level of enforcement hasn’t it? Keep seeing these horrible YouTube videos.

450171 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #153 of 1267 🔗

Yes, some policing has been over the top but it’s been similar everywhere. The protests every Saturday in Toronto have seen police become increasingly aggressive.

The scary thing I heard about yesterday is the pastor in Alberta who refused to shut down his church and ignored anti-social distancing and masking during his services. He was arrested and jailed in February and was denied bail yesterday. Meanwhile we have let actual criminals out of jail due to Covid and this pastor will likely be sitting in a maximum security prison until his case is heard in May. Perhaps CCP level is being kind and it’s closer to North Korea. I’m not a religious person but I give a ton of credit to members of religious communities who have done far more than most to fight back against this tyranny.

449436 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 41, #154 of 1267 🔗

Your expert doctor has reproduced the Nightingale chart of deaths amongst his 14 pages of ‘Covid charts’. Covid charts are meaningless as there is no test for Covid. 13 wasted pages doctor/LS editor. As for the all deaths from CEBM, I have shown this several times btl and you can clearly see the pandemic ended at the end of May. However, ‘your doctor’ says “what puzzles me about this data is the lower number of overall deaths in the recent winter compared to last spring.” Doctor, listen please, last spring/earlysummer (March, April, May) there was a pandemic. This winter (November, December, January) there was no pandemic and deaths should have been normal. The reason they were high was that they co-incided with a massive increase in care home deaths resulting from ‘vaccine’ rollout. Editors,may I recommend you choose proper analysts rather than doctors employed by the NHS, an arm of the British government, bent on filling our citizens arms with poison.

449462 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Bungle, 24, #155 of 1267 🔗

I’ve been looking at that nightingale plot on CEBM and pondering.
it’s a very odd shaped peak, we’ve had this winter. Every other winter (and indeed last spring) there has been a spike then a drop. This winter there has been a gently sloped hump. A flattened curve, so to speak.

Given that winter spikes are due to either cold (which it has also been this winter, so nothing weird there) or viruses then there’s something odd about this winter’s virus. I’m inclined to say you’re right Bungle and it’s the slow roll out of the vaccine (vs that of viral spread) that has prolonged the deaths. Plus you’ve probably got extra deaths in there from denial of medical treatment over the course of 2020. Misclassified no doubt thanks to nosocomial COVID.

You can’t say it’s lockdown that has flattened the curve, as it didn’t flatten it in Spring last year. And we all know it is bullshit.

449532 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to sophie123, 11, #156 of 1267 🔗

Hi Sophie. Glad you know of CEBM. Indeed, every year there is an initial spike because these are dates of registration not occurrence. If you find ONS data for deaths in care homes, you will see the correlation with ‘vaccine’ roll out. Now which ‘O’ level student is going to tell me ‘correlation does not mean causation’? No, but what it does is it provides a hypothesis, a potential explanation, and before you jump to any conclusion, you need to search for other potential explanations. I cannot see many others, can you?

449822 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Bungle, 2, #157 of 1267 🔗

Yes and they keep looking at the data in isolation and not adding any context. And no mention of the deaths being misdiagnosed as cv. The only figure of interest is all cause mortality year on year and this winter has been normal when compared to other years. And considering we have been without a fully functioning nhs its a miracle. I really only browse atl now. See if there is anything interesting in conservative women. Other than that its all btl.

449438 Boris Buffoon, 13, #158 of 1267 🔗

I read in the Telegraph that Johnson is planning a trip to India and then attending a G7 meeting in Cornwall.

I’ve lost track of time is; it April Fool’s already.

449439 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 33, #159 of 1267 🔗

A trip down memory Lane…Summer of 2020 (my version of Summer of ‘69)

I got my first real face-mask
Bought it when I went to town
Wore it ‘til my face went blue
Was the summer of the first lockdown.

Me and some guys from school
Had a band and we played on Zoom.
Jimmy quit, ‘cause he couldn’t hear us
He should’ve tried from another room.

Oh, when I look back now
That lockdown seemed to last forever
And if I had the choice
Yeah, I’d never wanna be there
Those were the worst days of my life

Ain’t no use in complainin’
When there are no jobs to do
Spent my evenings down at the drive-through
That is all there was to do, yeah.

Standin’ on your mama’s porch
You said I wasn’t in your bubble
If you could have held my hand
I wouldn’t have caused so much trouble
Those were the worst days of my life

Oh, yeah.
Back in the summer of the first lockdown, oh.

Man we were killin’ time
We were young and restless
We needed to unwind
So we went on a protest march, oh yeah!

And now the times are changin’
Look at everything that’s going on
Sometimes when I look at all the chaos
I wonder when it all went wrong

…it went wrong right back in the first lockdown when they clapped for the NHS, shared funny lockdown dance videos and thought this was all so exciting.

It’s not so exciting now, but most people are still just as hypnotised. What about these young people, what’s the summer of 2021 going to look like, will they riot this year? I don’t have much hope that June will bring a great lifting of lockdown. Will the young finally snap or are they too brainwashed?

449465 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Liberty, 24, #160 of 1267 🔗

Our young people, find themselves where they are, because they have been monumentally let down and ill-educated by their parents. I’m so ashamed of my generation and the next. The only children who may come through this relatively unscathed, will have the minority of parents who refused to go along with the narrative or those who realised the agenda along the way, or the children are insightful enough to figure it out for themselves. My heart breaks for all of them.

449480 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Jinks, 17, #161 of 1267 🔗

Young people need to be taught how to think, not what to think.

449493 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to PatrickF, 28, #162 of 1267 🔗

My educational philosophy is
‘Education is lighting a fire, not filling a bucket.’
For too long schools have just filled children full of woke information and not taught them how to think for themselves. Children need inspiring, but many are expiring, so bored are they of their education. We chose to home educate ours. Our children, like seedlings have been nurtured in the greenhouse of our home until they have been strong enough to go out on the windy hill of the education system. We are seeing them standing strong as they go out in their teenage years and defend their faith and do not follow the crowd. My oldest 3 children, who are out there in the education system, eschew masks and tests, not because I make them, but because they see the insanity. They have not been blinded like the brainwashed masses to follow the sheep, they follow the Shepherd instead.

449501 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Liberty, 7, #163 of 1267 🔗

Yes, exactly this. Schools are nothing more than Common Purpose indoctrination camps, and parents just don’t seem to care to know either that or the damage social media does.

449644 ▶▶▶▶▶ GuyRich, replying to Liberty, #164 of 1267 🔗

I love your attitude Liberty! I’ve looked at trying to PM you but can see how to. Any ideas, if you don’t mind?

450429 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to GuyRich, #165 of 1267 🔗

Send a message to icythus, that will get to me.

450537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tillysmum, replying to Liberty, 2, #166 of 1267 🔗

I love to read your posts Liberty, they are beautiful and inspiring
and very well balanced. I get the feeling of someone who has travelled a very long way. Thank you.

450574 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Tillysmum, #167 of 1267 🔗

Bless you Tillysmum, that’s such a lovely thing to say.

449499 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to PatrickF, 5, #168 of 1267 🔗

that’s my point. Or they have to learn to think by themselves, because the adults around them are severely deficient.

449614 ▶▶▶ katz, replying to Jinks, 1, #169 of 1267 🔗

Excellent post. I’ve printed it out to join the others on my fridge. Thanks Jinks 🙂

449585 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Liberty, 1, #170 of 1267 🔗

That’s brilliant Liberty

449615 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Liberty, 4, #171 of 1267 🔗

Will the young finally snap or are they too brainwashed?

Sadly from my encounters with my millenial colleagues they’re too brainwashed and too far gone to wake up. The fact that we had to undergo a redundancy process and their jobs were at risk didn’t wake them up.

449783 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Liberty, 3, #172 of 1267 🔗

That good that is

449441 Richardm, 3, #173 of 1267 🔗

Figures don’t lie but liars can figure!

449443 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 9, #174 of 1267 🔗

UK Prison vaccination programme began rolling out at the end of January. Previous to the rollout, there had been one covid death in the prison population. No mention of the vaccination programme in the article, and so far, comments are open, though none have been posted.


449455 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jinks, 4, #175 of 1267 🔗

For a week in early February my small provincial city showed a spike in cases. When looked at in detail they were all in the Ward containing HMP.

449460 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to karenovirus, 4, #176 of 1267 🔗

Once the prisoners rumble on to these death-jabs murdering and disabling them, there will be such TROUBLE, previous prison riots will seem like a picnic in comparison!

449486 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to karenovirus, 3, #177 of 1267 🔗

This happened to us too, there is an adult prison and YOI on the outskirts on our market town and they have virtually all our “cases”, no community transmission at all.

449444 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 58, #178 of 1267 🔗

When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn?
This week on Farming Today they reported on some research at the Quadram Institute on the microbial Biomone needed by chickens this involved collecting Chicken poo processing it and spraying the resulting material on young chickens to give them the healthy immunising exposure to bacteria/viruses that they were otherwise not getting due to being raised in sterile conditions.

If you watch any commercial TV there seem to be endless adverts for disinfectants and other gunk that kills 99% of germs and viruses including coronavirus. There seems to to be a strand of human thinking that yearns for a sterile world where we are in total control and no bugs or viruses are allowed. But like the chickens we need need a bit of muck, it’s how life works.
But it does seem to me that the authoritarian hysterical approach to Covid elimination is coming from the same brand of thinking that wants disinfectants that make your home sterile. It seems that authoritarian totalitarian thinking is a strong strand in human thinking and comes through very quickly and easily.

As for me, I’m in ‘muck is healthy’ group and feel we need to learn to live in harmony with the natural world, not fight it but but that style of thinking does not seem to be at home in the world any more. Maybe we just have to wait a bit for the world to learn that, like the chickens, it needs to spray itself with a bit of muck!

449471 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #179 of 1267 🔗

My grandmother used to say you should, ‘Eat a peck of muck a day’. Excessive, but I got the point.

449494 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Basileus, 9, #180 of 1267 🔗

Ivermectin is cultured from soil microbes.

449568 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Basileus, 8, #181 of 1267 🔗

Mine said “we’ve all got to eat a peck of dirt before we die”.
Given that a peck is about 14lbs (or a stone) that seems more reasonable!

449587 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #182 of 1267 🔗

Hmmm, perhaps I heard her incorrectly.

449474 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #183 of 1267 🔗

Good post

Love the story about the chickens.

We seem far too adversarial in our relationship to nature. We need to embrace all life out there, including at the micro level rather than mistakenly believe we can control it.

449576 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Freecumbria, 28, #184 of 1267 🔗

That’s one of reasons I’m grateful our children live on a smallholding. Muck is part of our life. We’ve all been removed from social contact where we normally meet new germs and we are indoors more. This does not bode well for our immune systems. Today we can fight back by digging the garden, stroking a dog or hugging someone not in our household. Get germs, save lives.

449648 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Liberty, 3, #185 of 1267 🔗

Muck is good. As resident poet you need to write a poem about that!

450185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #186 of 1267 🔗

Freecumbria, thank you for the inspiration, I have just put a post up with a poem called ‘A PECK OF DIRT A DAY KEEPS THE DOCTOR AWAY.’

449559 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #187 of 1267 🔗

Reminds me if a story about a very tidy farmer who kept pigs in ultra-clean conditions.The pigs went into a decline until restored to their proper, mucky environment.

449578 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #188 of 1267 🔗

Odd that post – my old dad used to say ‘eat a bucket of dirt before you die’ – as far as i know he ailed for nothing and it was the stroke that got him.

There is a theory that those countries with a high level of poverty and squalor have the most robust immune systems – worth thinking about?

449608 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Judy Watson, 14, #189 of 1267 🔗

I recall some research done in Germany into childhood Asthma. They found one group of children who did not have the problem: they grew up on farms.

449647 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #190 of 1267 🔗

In the black country it’s a Peck o dirt. ( same difference).

449620 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #191 of 1267 🔗

just looking at my kitchen floor with fragments of mud around from tramping round the garden, and the fact I hate hoovering, I think I can firmly say that I’m in the ‘muck is healthy’ group. p.s. the surfaces are fairly clean though! 🙂

449663 ▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #192 of 1267 🔗

I let my toddlers eat and play in the dirt, not once since birth have they been molly coddled and everything sanitised to within an inch of its life. My Bil however is over protective and keeps everything clean and sanitised over his child.

It’s best to play and eat dirt as they build up their immune systems.

449809 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to CapLlam, 7, #193 of 1267 🔗

That`s what my gran did with me, I was free to crawl around the garden and munch on anything that took my fancy, apparently I was partial to yellow flowers 🙂 She left me in my pram out in all weathers, rain and snow included.

Sixty something years later and I haven’t had a serious illness in my life thanks to a robust immune system built up as a toddler.

Thanks gran.

450643 ▶▶ FW, replying to Steve Martindale, #194 of 1267 🔗

I’m currently experimenting with developing a different sourdough starter (very on trend, sorry). Earlier this evening was reading that a common reason for failure is if all the equipment involved is simply too sterile: nothing for the yeasts and lactobacilli to latch onto. Chimes perfectly with your comment! (NB equipment so far is an old yogurt pot, occasionally stirred with a plastic spatula. So no problems.)

449447 JaneHarry, 42, #195 of 1267 🔗

talking to SiL in California who was complaining that she and her family would have to wait longer for their vax, as the homeless are being given priority. My interpretation: so they have decided to clear the streets of the vermin first; just as here special priority is to be given to ‘adults with learning difficulties’ – all the markers in place, signalling furiously

449448 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 17, #196 of 1267 🔗

Have other FS’S noticed quite often when a survivor of Covid is wheeled out of intensive care after being in an induced coma for weeks, how they are still as fat as a “Tunkey pig” ( Black country dialect) for obese?
Strange, ain’t it?

449464 ▶▶ sophie123, replying to Fingerache Philip, 10, #197 of 1267 🔗

Especially when you consider how disgusting and miserly hospital food is. They must have been MASSIVE at the start of their stay.

449555 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to sophie123, #198 of 1267 🔗

Hospital food is mostly stodge.

449459 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 22, #199 of 1267 🔗

Clearly the vaccine is the reason we are recovering from COVID in the UK quicker than our neighbours such as France that don’t have it – we’ve been told so many times by the government and ‘scientists’ that it must be true.

The only problem is that the facts don’t support it – see the graph below comparing weekly excess deaths in France to England & Wales.

Well, obviously the facts are wrong – the government can’t be that dishonest or incompetent !

449481 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Laurence, 12, #200 of 1267 🔗

I saw a vid the other day on panda talking to a pandemic modeller, he claimed there was evidence for waves, “it can be seen in the data” , but what isn’t taken into account are 2 very important things. First there is no precedent for a global lockdown, if its never been done before we have no idea how a virus would adapt to that behaviour, we could be exacerbating the problem causing waves of infection & mutation!

Second we compare Covid-19 to flu & colds etc, but no other virus or disease has ever been so intensely studied & monitored, so we are bound to learn more on the ecology of infectious disease, it may require a change in what we thought we know, or it was maybe corrupting what we already knew with inappropriate methods 😉

One thing is certain government & MSM created an environment of fear & hysteria that has almost certainly corrupted THE science, in itself may have affected the virus behaviour. Was the narrative of fear by design or mistake? Maybe we’ve been studying the wrong thing, we should have been studying the actors “controlling” the virus.

449492 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #201 of 1267 🔗

“Fear is the mind-killer”. From that, all else follows. Imagine the anxiety caused, you’ve been terrified into fearing this deadly virus, and now you have tested positive for it, you’re convinced you’re going to die, have an anxiety attack, and then get thrown on to a ventilator, as it’s the only approved treatment. I wonder how many times this scenario has been repeated?

449505 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jinks, 7, #202 of 1267 🔗

Points I made in back in April 2020. If me & you knew this WTF were all the “ experts ” doing?

449517 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Anti_socialist, 9, #203 of 1267 🔗

Selling their souls for thirty pieces of silver.

450494 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Anti_socialist, #204 of 1267 🔗

They were preparing to sign their names to the Great Barrington Declaration.

The rest of the corporate penpushers were taking the silver.

449509 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Jinks, 1, #205 of 1267 🔗

It’s the lamb that can’t see the wolf that is no danger to it that fares better


450491 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Jinks, 1, #206 of 1267 🔗

Someone linked to a whole field about this. Some book on the subject of psychology making people ill.

It is BIOTERROR and the worst crime against humanity in terms of broad scope.

449545 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Anti_socialist, 3, #207 of 1267 🔗

Waves that clearly lock in to seasonality.

450485 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #208 of 1267 🔗

I presume it is still worthwhile wearing a smiley face badge. I have mine ordered.

450489 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Anti_socialist, 1, #209 of 1267 🔗

Sunetra Gupta of the Great Barrington Declaration and others like her, serious scientists with a large body of work and not just corporate pen pushers, pointed this out that peoples’ immune stystems are now more compromised than a Japanese businessman in a Russian hotel room.

This is especially the case with children who need to get out and mix.

That is why this is BIOTERROR and ALL those who carried it out need to be held to account and recieve DECADES in prison.

449463 Anti_socialist, replying to Anti_socialist, 4, #210 of 1267 🔗

I’m assuming this must have been posted before Exozome vs. Virus Theory it’s still an interesting short video & it’s always worth pointing out the ONLY settled science is in a coffin, everyone dies of something, but what?

449594 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Anti_socialist, 2, #211 of 1267 🔗

If you look at the zoe map of symptomatic positives, it is surprising how areas with higher/lower numbers seem to line up horizontally. There’s a bit of that going on in North Somerset at the moment. Of course you might expect neighbouring areas to have similar levels if you believe in human to human transmission, but it is the way this happens horizontally that surprises me. And geographic features such as mountains seem to cause divides also from time to time.

I know we see patterns where patterns aren’t there, so maybe I’m being a bit pareidoliac.

Some sort of rigorous analysis of the zoe maps over time might be interesting to see if this is real or imagined.

449466 Alex B, 4, #212 of 1267 🔗

My favourite quote of the day from this article:
Ellie Barnes, professor of hepatology and immunology at the University of Oxford and one of the Oxford vaccine team, said: “There’s emerging data to show that when you’ve had a Covid infection your T-cells become activated, and then over the weeks after that they become memory T-cells and kind of calm down.
“But they are then able to respond very rapidly to subsequent vaccination. So if you’ve been infected before and then get your first dose of the vaccine, you have a really excellent response to that single dose compared to someone that wasn’t infected before.”
Once more I am reminded of the estimable Dr. Nick Riviera:
‘Inflammable’ means flammable? What a country!

449472 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 11, #213 of 1267 🔗

Pinch me someone, I might be dreaming. The occasionally coherent Nick Triggle has a BBC article questioning masks and testing for school pupils:


449552 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Basileus, #214 of 1267 🔗

Quotes some dork saying that masks do no good but help get schools open.


449583 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Annie, 1, #215 of 1267 🔗

Well yes, but should we be grateful for small mercies?

450269 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, 1, #216 of 1267 🔗

Masking kids is not a small mercy. In any way, shape, or form.

449477 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #217 of 1267 🔗

‘Johnson is no Churchill. If he is a Cnut, he is one who having convinced the people he can control the tide, let them drown in it.’


Lockdown sceptic legends: both of them (the authors)

449524 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #218 of 1267 🔗

Halfacanute, Partacanute,, Rathacanute, Hardlicanute, Aftercanute, or Harold Harebrush?

450097 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Annie, #219 of 1267 🔗


449990 ▶▶ Niborxof, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #220 of 1267 🔗

He is an anagram of Cnut

449483 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 43, #221 of 1267 🔗

‘Much of the data I have looked at this week does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.’

I have a ready explanation. This is what happens when you live under a dictatorship

449490 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Cecil B, 9, #222 of 1267 🔗

Much of the data I looked at last week does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.

Much of the data I looked at the week before last does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.

Much of the data I looked at the week before the week before last does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.


Perhaps you’ve hit on the explanation Cecil.

449581 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 26, #223 of 1267 🔗

I think some people are still living under the assumption that we live in a democracy.
We experienced a coup on March 23 last year.When you understand that everything since makes sense.
No one seizes power in order to relinquish it.
To quote George Orwell.

449671 ▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #224 of 1267 🔗

I was watching some movie clips of 1984 the other day and it struck me when O’Brien mentions isolating people from their family, friends and loved ones they no longer have any loyalty except loyalty to the state.
Some powerful stuff in that film.

449484 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 37, #225 of 1267 🔗

It has been argued that the government behaves like an abusive partner. One tactic used by abusers is to give some freedom and take it away as a form of torture. In the summer we were allowed to see people outside our household under restrictions and businesses were allowed to open again but again under restrictions. The country went into full lockdown twice again. Do you think the government plan all along was to take away our freedoms, give some back and take them away again as a form of torture.

449488 ▶▶ PatrickF, replying to Ianric, 16, #226 of 1267 🔗

Yes. Break the mind and break the resistance.

449520 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PatrickF, 14, #227 of 1267 🔗

They haven’t broken ours.

449550 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Ianric, 11, #228 of 1267 🔗

I have long said that their aim is to break us. They have succeeded with an awful lot of people.

449795 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ianric, 9, #229 of 1267 🔗

It’s torture, done by the book, following a global script.

A massive psychological sledge-hammer and it’s smashed people silly, it’s quite incredible really.

450263 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ianric, #230 of 1267 🔗

Yes. Established technique, please keep up. 🙂

449485 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 1, #231 of 1267 🔗

Time for Boris to adopt a “no vaccine, no Zoom policy.”
Watch those vaccine queues rocket!

449512 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PatrickF, 7, #232 of 1267 🔗

Zoom sucks and I couldn’t care less if I ever use it again.

449519 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #233 of 1267 🔗

God, I hate it. But it does show me faces, unlike (for example) the Covidian Church of the Holy Face Knickers.

449852 ▶▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Annie, 8, #234 of 1267 🔗

Never used it, refuse to even upload it to any of my devices.

449487 Cecil B, 5, #235 of 1267 🔗

Is the rise in arrogance amongst the police exponential?

449491 Cecil B, 11, #236 of 1267 🔗

Why wouldn’t you reward the creation of a 1,000,000 waiting list with a 12% pay rise?

449577 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Anti_socialist, 5, #238 of 1267 🔗

‘BrandNewTube’ Excellent Younoob is owned by Gargoyle of course (google).

VC takes down the diapers – double, triple face nappies. These are religious symbols of course. No science or brain activity. Scathing attacks on the Covidiots. Love it.

449496 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 3, #239 of 1267 🔗
449558 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Basileus, 1, #240 of 1267 🔗

I’m looking forward to someone disseminating those emails.

449500 Will, replying to Will, 7, #241 of 1267 🔗

Excellent update today. The senior doctor is a mine of information.

449507 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Will, 4, #242 of 1267 🔗

Couldn’t agree more.

In fact, all the predictions around deaths have been wildly inaccurate.

You can say that again.

449571 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #243 of 1267 🔗

And existing dead counts are largely a fraud as many have proven.
Model mafia. Dead porn propaganda.

449556 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Will, 6, #244 of 1267 🔗

Yes, really good update today from JB, and from Will yesterday (although still disturbing little on vaccine compulsion).

449574 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TJN, 8, #245 of 1267 🔗

Nor on the dead and injured from the EXPERIMENTAL GENE THERAPY DRUG. It cannot be named a vaccine, because it is not a vaccine.

449579 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to FerdIII, 4, #246 of 1267 🔗

Yes, I know – I usually remember to put ‘vaccine’ in quotes, but forgot this time.

This site does appear to be scared of addressing the ‘vaccine’ injury problem. Will Jones in particular has a good scientific mind, so there must be reasons for this – editorial I would guess.

449560 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Will, 6, #247 of 1267 🔗

8 graphs, 6 mentioning Covid stats. There is no test for Covid so the update is not ‘excellent’ as you say, it is meaningless!

449502 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #248 of 1267 🔗

Something for the electorate to consider, every time they vote (May is almost upon us….):

‘…why is it, then, that the federal government seems never to consider the option of replacing government assistance programs with direct payments? In the Covid crisis, and in the broader war against poverty, this would have solved a vexing problem as efficiently as possible.

And therein lies the rub. Politicians aren’t all that concerned with solving problems efficiently. They seem always to prefer expanding the power they wield, and the government programs they create expand their ability to micromanage our lives.

Politicians make grandiose claims about their various and sundry programs because those claims resonate with the people who receive government largesse. Not surprisingly, those claims resonate even more with the entrenched, ever-growing federal bureaucracy.

But in the end, people receive pennies on the dollar compared to what they could have received had we decided just to write a check.

In the end, our government has become a tool that politicians use to turn national problems into political power, so it should come as no surprise that they are not interested in solving problems at all.’


449511 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #249 of 1267 🔗

Oh yes, just like 2008, when the banks were bailed out to the tune of £20k for every man, woman and child. Of course they’d never give that money to the taxpayer, and let the banks fail. It’s always been socialism for me, but not for thee

449504 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 175, #250 of 1267 🔗

I’ve felt very down recently watching previously sane people masked up, news from Israel etc etc etc. I was almost going to give up when I took my 4-year old granddaughter to the swings. A lady arrived with 2 boys and the little one seemed mesmerised with me so I waved. He immediately threw his arms out and ran full pelt to me prompting this pic from his mother. How can I let this little one down? How can I let my 6 grandkids down? How can I let my unborn 7th down? I cannot. I will not, so I’ve been out since 5 am delivering ‘back to normal’ leaflets and I’m now preparing to take on Tesco if they dare to harass anyone about masks. Join me in spirit; any supermarket, 9 am, and just remember,if they ask you twice, they commit a criminal offence under the 1997 Harassment Act.

449514 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Bungle, 26, #251 of 1267 🔗

Suffer the little children, come unto me. I’m right there with you in spirit Bungle. This is exactly why we will NEVER GIVE UP.

449542 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 45, #252 of 1267 🔗

Look, mummy! A human being!

This ought to be tomorrow’s headline picture.

449551 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Annie, 12, #253 of 1267 🔗

Ah, Annie, you’ve brought a tear to my eye. x

449546 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Bungle, 38, #254 of 1267 🔗

The children are lucky to have a common sense mum as well who didn’t shepherd the boy away as though you were a walking biohazard. Lovely photo. Good luck at Tesco later.

449549 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to disgruntled246, 6, #255 of 1267 🔗

Cheers comrade.

449553 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bungle, 28, #256 of 1267 🔗

When out and about in queues as the generally only unmasked adult, I find it remarkable how children seem drawn to you and smile at you – that’s my experience anyway.

Great effort on the leaflets.

449622 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bungle, 12, #257 of 1267 🔗

Awwww….great photo and well done to the mum.

Good luck today.

449767 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bungle, 71, #258 of 1267 🔗

Thanks for the votes comrades – here is my update: I went, no family, no friends, but I went. Guy on door masked but no challenge, did a bit of shopping, turned video off as nothing to see but one unmasked shopper. Manager recognised me and greeted me cheerily. Getting in car wondering if it had been worth my time when unmasked guy collars me and says “are you the 9 am guy?” “Yes says I”. “Are you Bungle?” says he. Anyway,it turned out he was Harry Hopkins, from this parish, and he’d travelled 6 miles from Otley to lend his support. We had a lovely supportive chat and then he said “have you seen the sign round the corner?” I went with him and took a pic so here it is. Definitely worth the trip!! Thanks HH!

449772 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Bungle, 58, #259 of 1267 🔗

It was a privilege to meet you Bungle. Your humanity shines through even more in person than it does in your writing. Keep up the wonderful work you are doing and I hope to see you again.

449802 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 16, #260 of 1267 🔗

That a great story!

449939 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Two-Six, 3, #261 of 1267 🔗

Thanks 2-6.

449937 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #262 of 1267 🔗

Harry, how very, very kind of you – you seemed a pretty decent guy yourself from where I was!

450114 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bungle, 2, #263 of 1267 🔗

Good to hear you had a successful outing. I’m usually still in bed at 9am, though up before 9.30.

450247 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bungle, 1, #264 of 1267 🔗

Nice pic Bungle.

(What the flying fuck is that thing on your head ? 🙂 )

450377 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to JohnB, 5, #265 of 1267 🔗

I made it from a pair of geese I shot over West Yorkshire. They were mating at the time so ‘flying fuck’ is most appropriate. Well spotted, like the geese, in fact.

451075 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bungle, #266 of 1267 🔗


I never knew geese mated on the wing. Thanks Bungle.

449506 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #267 of 1267 🔗

Anna Brees interviews David Rose, Daily Mail Journalist, on how reporters are put under pressure to support the narrative.


449624 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Basileus, 5, #268 of 1267 🔗

Many thanks. Whole interview here:



449508 rose, replying to rose, 2, #269 of 1267 🔗

Can a anyone repost the picture posted yesterdat by AG I think about NHS brainwashing of the young people’s cohort for vaccine uptake? I saved it but too blurry. And I’ve tried to trawl through yesterday’s 1800 comments but no success

449523 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rose, 1, #270 of 1267 🔗

You could try looking here later: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

It’s a mirror of LS, updated at intervals, and loads much quicker than LS

Yesterday’s page seems incomplete so you may need to wait for it to be updated

449544 ▶▶ TJN, replying to rose, 1, #271 of 1267 🔗


leggy’s post, linking to the original document. Worth reading in full, as they say.

449548 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to rose, 3, #272 of 1267 🔗


449510 Basileus, 31, #273 of 1267 🔗

Nice one:

449513 MFvH, replying to MFvH, 10, #274 of 1267 🔗

After almost a year of campaigning I get the feeling we are still not making much headway.
Or are we sitting on a smouldering tinderbox???

How we vote in May may help send a message.
Which political party has opposed lockdowns?

449515 ▶▶ Annie, replying to MFvH, 7, #275 of 1267 🔗


449521 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MFvH, 12, #276 of 1267 🔗

Heritage (David Kurten running for London Mayor)

449527 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to MFvH, 9, #277 of 1267 🔗

We were lonely voices last spring. The resistance has been rising since and given the last week of wins around the world, it seems we are no longer the minority.
But politically, yes it’s a dogs dinner.

449539 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #278 of 1267 🔗

My dog wouldn’t go near it. He’s not exactly finicky, but there are some sorts of filth that he won’t even roll in.

449588 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Annie, 2, #279 of 1267 🔗

Yeah, I was being very mean spirited towards dogfood!

449516 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #280 of 1267 🔗

Plans were leaked by the government last night, that a Body Mass passport was being considered. This will most likely be enforced in fast food restaurants and may need to be shown when buying extra lardy items in Iceland.

If you have a BMI below 30, then it is likely you will be exempt.

449530 ▶▶ Annie, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #281 of 1267 🔗

I am thin.
Please let me in.
Let there be a differential
For those with a challenge circumferential.

449543 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Annie, 4, #282 of 1267 🔗

Regulations will stipulate narrow doorways, if you need to turn sideways, you are banned….

449884 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to FerdIII, #283 of 1267 🔗

Excerpt from House episode with a human whale in a guest role…

449589 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Annie, 4, #284 of 1267 🔗

Eat less, to get in!

449540 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #285 of 1267 🔗

Finally! The FatPorts…..been an advocate for many years. Personally tired of Fatties eating up the NHS, taking 2 seats on planes and trains, clogging up public spaces and carrying a wide (ass) variety of illnesses.

FatPorts – with an app. Track and Trace. Reduce food intake and calories.

449602 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to FerdIII, 3, #286 of 1267 🔗

To be fair, I know a number of people, that eat like pigs, but because of activity, keep thin. We’re heading for the nightmare world from Wall-e ( possibly one of the most dystopian sci fi ), with screen addicted, digital lifestyles, where everything is delivered.

449717 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to FerdIII, 1, #287 of 1267 🔗

Personally I am surprised that Ryanair hadn’t introduced them pre-COVID. Fares based on your stated weight with denial of boarding if you were over your pre-stated weight upon arrival at the airport.

449522 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 20, #288 of 1267 🔗

Giving a donation of blood yesterday, I said to the nurse: ” I suppose you’ve noticed a “fall off” of people giving blood”, “No”, he replied: “if anything, the numbers have increased, it gives people a valid reason to leave their homes”.

449529 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, 11, #289 of 1267 🔗

Payment in blood.

449536 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 3, #290 of 1267 🔗

Nice one.

449525 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #291 of 1267 🔗

Patent for Covid-19 testing. Look at the dates of application:


449538 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 6, #292 of 1267 🔗

Interesting. RICHARD A. ROTHSCHILD is the owner? Dating back to 2015….

“including whether an individual is suffering from a bacterial and/or viral infection (e.g., COVID-19, etc.) or other respiratory conditions or symptoms. The present invention could be used in conjunction with a telemedicine or “digital health” system to provide a reliable and convenient method for remote collection and observation of a patient’s vital signs.”

449582 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to FerdIII, 3, #293 of 1267 🔗

‘Rothschild’ – I wondered who would be the first to spot that.

449592 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, #294 of 1267 🔗

Just a coincidence of course….I actually expected to see Gates or his husband Mel’s name.

449813 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basileus, 2, #295 of 1267 🔗

The Rothchilds have a pyramid in the back garden, on a ley-line….near one of the oldest churches in the UK, with one of the oldest yew trees in the UK in it’s garden and the church is linked to the road by a very wierd stone path that snakes across the fields. 100 meters away is an ancient spring and pool where water bubbles up from underground……

Not more than a few miles away is Avebury and SIlbury hill, masonic monuments on hills and chalk horses.

Oh yes…..It true.

They are just like us really, perfectly normal people.

450240 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 2, #296 of 1267 🔗

Not sure whether Avebury and Silbury Hill can be classed as Masonic …

But the rest is true. Used to pop down that part of the world quite a bit looking at crop circles. Met a bloke once who claimed to have been inside the Rothschild dwelling. “Loads of dead animals everywhere; spooky”, he said.

450461 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 1, #297 of 1267 🔗

nope wasn’t saying Avebury and Silbury hill are masonic I was thinking about the big obelisk/penis of Osiris monument on the hills there.

You can look at the front of their little country pile on google earth street, it’s very very tweeeeeee. The sort of house Maria Antoinette would live in, kind of thing.

450587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #298 of 1267 🔗

Sorry, I mis-read.

449595 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Basileus, 2, #299 of 1267 🔗

Fiat money, the patent system and the war on drugs. All key ingredients of our current predicament.

449606 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Basileus, 1, #300 of 1267 🔗

Wonder why it was just filed in April 2020

449528 Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), replying to Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), 8, #301 of 1267 🔗

Anyone else noticed how intrusive the census questions are. Not happy completing it but of course there is the threat of a fine if not. Some questions meant to be voluntary but not noticed many yet.

449534 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), 6, #302 of 1267 🔗

Questions about health etc.are ridiculous imo. A census is simply: who are you, where do you live, what skin color coats your bones, and what religion may you be and do you work, or suck on the public teat like NHS workers or gov’t-politicians etc. Should be more straightforward.

I completed the census. A couple of PC questions which are voluntary, but why the need for a census because all the information required is already held by various government departments at their computer systems as such but they do not/choose to talk to one another? Another waste of public money and job creation scheme.

449569 ▶▶ davews, replying to Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), 3, #304 of 1267 🔗

Not received my pack yet, maybe I have been forgotten…

449613 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to davews, 3, #305 of 1267 🔗

Me neither. Here’s hoping.

449593 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), 9, #306 of 1267 🔗

They have been intrusive the last 2/3 occasions.
The last time I filled one in I claimed to be a Jedhi knight. And I won’t be filling in this one, should it ever arrive.
I am after all a non-person having refused the jab.

449627 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 4, #307 of 1267 🔗

The last census I thought was taking the piss so much so that I replied to a lot of questions with “prefer not to say” or “NA”

449626 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), 3, #308 of 1267 🔗

Not received my pack yet too. Have been toying with the idea of a boycott.

449817 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown), 2, #309 of 1267 🔗

As far as I am aware nobody at all got fined for not doing their census last time. I was looking.

450228 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 1, #310 of 1267 🔗

Quite. I kept an eye open too, 2-6.

Wrote a letter with a couple of queries about the questions, never heard back. A bloke did knock on the door a couple of times. But he wasn’t that enthusiastic, and had little interest in discussion.

Last time (I checked the legislation; don’t know if it has been upgraded or not) it was not an offence not to fill it in, only ‘to refuse to fill it in’. So “I’ll be doing it next Sunday” appears to be a complete get-out.

For those that do intend to complete it, Freedom is the religion of choice this year. (The Light/KBF/Freedom Network).

The only way to identify the voluntary questions is to click “Next” without providing an answer.
If it prevents you from moving on, answers are mandatory.
If it lets you continue, they’re voluntary.

The blurb about voluntary questions being obvious is, at best, very misleading.

450230 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to SR, #312 of 1267 🔗

What’s the second level like ?

I haven’t had mine yet, though I’ve had a couple of postcards saying it’s coming – they make useful bookmarks. I suppose I’ll fill it in honestly but I’ll look for at least one question where I can say something daft to put a small spanner or at least a nut or bolt in the works.

449531 FerdIII, 17, #314 of 1267 🔗

ATL – the Plandemic proceeds apace. Ahead of schedule. The Corona fascists will have rolling LDs starting this Fall. The plans for digital surveillance proceed at frantic paces. RNA and now DNA Drug Experiments now being funded by your tax money. For what? A flu with a death rate of 0.3%, under the age of 60, statistically you have more chance of dying from choking or a car accident. Why the Drugs? They kill/injure, they don’t stop transmission.

The article concludes that an absence of leadership in the UK allowed human rights law and the ethics and principles of evidence-based public health to be disregarded, precipitating economic and social devastation and excess mortality. If a future such occurrence is to be avoided, new legislation and formal censure of those responsible – whether from politics, media, medicine, science or the judiciary – will be necessary

449533 mojo, replying to mojo, 47, #315 of 1267 🔗

It seems to me that all data is a bit skewed. Right from the beginning we have noticed that families in our working class area have ignored lockdown. There have been discreet gatherings all round us. Indeed we found that our elderly friends whose children were living abroad felt they had nothing but their sanity to lose by staying home. We created a group of ten people. All elderly. We met in each others homes sometimes a few and sometimes all of us.

last Christmas we had the day and Boxing day together. Discreetly enjoying ourselves. Of course it is upsetting us that we cannot see our families. But we noticed a divide. Those who are more working class seemed to be more sensible and put their families first. Those more middle class and specially of the public sector put themselves first. This is a generalisation we noticed in our community. A snapshot of society if you like.

i might add, none of our friends have ever been polled or asked to complete a survey. Again a snapshot. So where are these polls carried out and who determines how the data is facilitated?

449537 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to mojo, 7, #316 of 1267 🔗

Well done , keep it going 👍

449564 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mojo, 8, #317 of 1267 🔗

numerous polls and all know what answer is needed when they are paid to poll. We’ve done the same in my family, not many of us but we have continued as normal, still don’t know anyone who has died/been ill with this only 1 person testing positive

449566 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mojo, 3, #318 of 1267 🔗

YouGov – the main Government polling agency – co-founder is, yes you guessed it, the current Muslim Minister of the Jab in Doris’ Cabinet…..just a coincidence you see. Like all the dead and injured from the experimental drugs, ah sorry you know the vaxx’s.

449618 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to mojo, 19, #319 of 1267 🔗

I believe the university educated middle classes have been brainwashed through education and now many are incapable of independent thought. The working class ignored teachers and so avoided brainwashing. They are also used to ignoring those in authority. Middle class people who are awake but not woke are a rare breed, you’ll be lucky to spot one because they’re gathering underground.

449691 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Liberty, 19, #320 of 1267 🔗

I am a middle class person who is awake and impervious to the propaganda and was from day one. I often wonder why that is…but I did grow up on a council estate in Manchester amongst many working class people. I also did a degree as a mature student after working for a number of years. I am sure both of these factors are of some significance.

449699 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Boris Bullshit, 10, #321 of 1267 🔗

I think in my case I’ve always been a bit of a sociopath. I’ve always existed at the margins of any group, never quite able to accept or be accepted. as if there is some core of myself that I can never entrely surrender.

449719 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to JaneHarry, 10, #322 of 1267 🔗

Me too without a doubt. I have always regarded myself as and been regarded by others as a bit semi detached. I went to a grammar school which was a good school but I always felt alienated from most of the other kids and the teachers and never went away with the school like other kids did or went back to school after hours for discos or sport etc. My partner says I am an innate contrarian and member of the awkward squad. I have never fitted in any workplace institution so inevitably have ended up self employed where I can be my own man.

449869 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #323 of 1267 🔗

I’m fully detached.

449833 ▶▶▶▶ RoseE, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #324 of 1267 🔗

Ditto, BorisB, I’m middle class and awake and impervious to the propaganda. In my case the Government’s gaslighting, coercion and manipulation is water off a duck’s back. I’ve been alert to such covert behaviour in my own life for many years and am now have coping mechanisms in place to ignore and/or fight back. Once you wake up to coercive behaviours they never have the same power.

449938 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #325 of 1267 🔗

I found my home educating friends were the first to awake. We had all already begun to question the wisdom of the state prior to our decision to home educate. Going against the grain was also normal for us. These friend were also all Bible believing Christians and thus more adjusted to being mocked and marginalised. Seeing the spiritual battle below the surface is how we see almost everything and thus our eyes were open going into this battle between good and evil.

450102 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Liberty, 4, #326 of 1267 🔗

I find it interesting that lots of the sceptics in USA are Christians, including many of the scientists/doctors and even Patrick Wood (of Technocracy Rising fame)

450170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Jo, 1, #327 of 1267 🔗

That’s a good point Jo. If they know the Bible then they will know that all that is happening is against what God commands and against the way He created us to live. Many can also see that we are heading towards the one world system as prophesied in Revelation and, as Christians, we know that we should not be a

450225 ▶▶▶▶ John Crichton, replying to Boris Bullshit, #328 of 1267 🔗

Ditto. I was going to write something longer but your comment nailed it – except I grew up in a sleepy market town in Lincolnshire.

450580 ▶▶▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #329 of 1267 🔗

Yes, similar here too. I’ve had the persistent feeling from the very start that I just didn’t get the memo. Tell me again why this new virus is so deadly or infectious or so damaging for survivors that we must all lose 2 years of our life that we never get back? I’ve often imagined a reverse press conference where the PM holds up a mystery envelope and asks us to guess what is in it to justify a nearly year long lockdown on life. And is it the case that other EU countries are allowing indoor, albeit reduced, contact?

450572 ▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to mojo, #330 of 1267 🔗

Don’t know about others, but YouGov has a standing panel of about 1 million people that they regularly recruit from. That is, people sign up to YouGov, which is mostly a market research co, and they get invited to fill in surveys for rewards.

449557 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 4, #332 of 1267 🔗

Good link Thanks. Experimental Genome Therapy, not a Vaccination. Perhaps LDS might want to reconsider the ‘science’ of these drugs.

“This argues against the whole BS official narrative that the RNA vaccine technology is inoffensive for the DNA”

449573 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Basileus, 3, #333 of 1267 🔗

I have been watching the development of the Novavax vaccine;
I am no fan of vaccines unless they are good and address a real risk but would I be correct in saying Novavax whilst pretty high-tech is not an RNA vaccine?
It has advanced through quite a lot of testing stages in the USA, UK and other countries. I do wonder if and when it gets released and if it picks up a reputation for being less scary, the whole vaccine scene could change?

449590 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #334 of 1267 🔗

DNA based. Still genomic changing. Why would anyone want a drug to change their genome and existing immune system functionality?

These are not ‘vaccines’ and not akin to rabies or smallpox shots.

449611 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #335 of 1267 🔗

I beg to differ with FerdIII. Novavax uses organic nanoparticles that are coated with artificially generated modified protein spikes of the virus. It is neither a DNA nor RNA ‘vaccine’.

449656 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to isobar, 1, #336 of 1267 🔗

It is genomic changing. Ergo, not a vaccine.

449621 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #337 of 1267 🔗

Here is a link to the Novavax candidate.


449623 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #338 of 1267 🔗

The different types of vaccines (and categorisation into each group so protein vaccine for Novavax) are explained here, although obviously this is coming from a ‘vaccine good’ viewpoint


And the difference between a gene and protein is

“The main difference between gene and protein is that gene is responsible for the determination of the amino acid sequence of a functional protein whereas protein serves as a structural, functional, and regulatory component of the cell”


The important thing is it’s not an attenuated or inactivated vaccine which are the traditional vaccines.

449657 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #339 of 1267 🔗

Correct. The Fake News, Fake Science constantly use ‘vaccine’ for these drugs, conflating them with rabies shots for instance. The 2 have zero in common. These are genomic experiments. It might take years to understand their effects. It won’t be pretty.

449688 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #340 of 1267 🔗

yes, I’m curious about the Russian one; I somehow suspect that Putin is not part of this shitshow, he plays along with it for his own purposes, making use of it for authoritarian aims of his own where he can. His ‘vaccine’, said to be a ‘traditional’ one, might just be a placebo.

449996 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #341 of 1267 🔗

I suspect the Novavax vaccine is just a means to quell unrest over the principle of covid19 vaccination and to ultimately encourage everyone to be vaccinated. If enough people forget their original objections, or cave in a la Hitchens, the PTB will have achieved what they set out to do. They are depending on those in the resistance movement regarding Novavax as a lesser evil so “we might as well take it”. We really must fight this at all costs.

449598 PatrickF, 8, #342 of 1267 🔗

Stay safe. Stay sceptical.

449599 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 24, #343 of 1267 🔗

The schools situation is nothing to do with risk of Covid. Private companies who won government contracts are making money selling tests and will continue until they get their fill or there is real pushback.

Nothing scientific about this. Just pure grift.

449603 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mhcp, 6, #344 of 1267 🔗

And the experimental drug jabs which will follow. Moderna’s revenue went from $60 MN USD to $600 Mn USD…..their recommendation to SAGE et al is of course, more jabs means more protection. Just a coincidence.

449610 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mhcp, 2, #345 of 1267 🔗

Grift and political theatre

449714 ▶▶ stewart, replying to mhcp, 3, #346 of 1267 🔗

In the last year, the UK healthcare budget has increased by 50 billion pounds from 150 billion to 200 billion.

Expanding hospital capacity? Yeah right. Its all been spaffed away on testing, all of it going to private contractors that are simply minting it.

449600 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 14, #347 of 1267 🔗

Anyone getting any replies from MP’s these days? Despite keeping my ‘enquiries’ to a minimum, mine doesnt bother at all, couple at the beginning of this farce but none now.

449609 ▶▶ Julian, replying to DanClarke, 4, #348 of 1267 🔗

Nothing from mine for a couple of months

I got an answer to one about how SAGE seemed to be running the show – guess that might have riled her

449630 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Julian, 4, #349 of 1267 🔗

They don’t like the truth, same as mine

449638 ▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to DanClarke, 1, #350 of 1267 🔗

3 replies out of 15 regarding the scamdemic.

449675 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to DanClarke, 6, #351 of 1267 🔗

same. I stopped writing to him eventually, suspecting I might have been blocked or something. they’re not even pretending to represent us now, are they. we are just an annoying distraction to them as they are face deep in the trough, with its little bribes and freebies that incentivise them to keep supine. a contemptible bunch of useless mediocrities, like so much else, our political system is putrid and moribund, and needs to be put out of its misery

449678 ▶▶ gina, replying to DanClarke, 3, #352 of 1267 🔗

I’m still getting them – for what they are worth.
Wrote an email to my MP, the pudding Mr Baker, asking questions about vaccine passports for use internally in the UK. Got a reply about international travel. Wrote an email back expressing my shock that he hadn’t read my initial email. Got a fulsome apology and a promise to take my concerns forward.

Also wrote to Nadhim Zahawi on the same subject. Got an email back from the Dept. HSS. Wrote one in reply saying why are you emailing me?
A couple of days ago had a phone call from them explaining my email to Zahawi had been passed to them and asking did I want a personal reply to my initial emal. I said yes please.
Am waiting…

449681 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to DanClarke, 8, #353 of 1267 🔗

Perhaps this partly explains Peter Hitchen’s capitulation and surrender. His strategy of us all writing to our MPs has been revealed to be like pissing in a force 10 hurricane.

449692 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Boris Bullshit, 4, #354 of 1267 🔗

Force 10 is storm force; hurricane is force 12.

449696 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Bungle, 2, #355 of 1267 🔗

Aw thanks for that Bungle!

449709 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DanClarke, 5, #356 of 1267 🔗


Do we still have those?

Anyone know what they are for?

449726 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to DanClarke, 1, #357 of 1267 🔗

I’ve emailed about once a month on varying topics such as the pointlessness of lockdowns, masks etc. I rarely get a reply and when I do it is a tetchy rehash of the party line .

449827 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DanClarke, 1, #358 of 1267 🔗

I went past my MP’s office yesterday. It’s a small office in a side street, it used to be a shop with a ware house at the top. It has large ground floor windows and large windows upstairs.

All the blinds were closed the lights were on inside. It’s like they were hiding.

Outside there are probably a few hundred fag butts on the ground, I guess its our MP’s secretary, a total rupert of a guy, chain smoking nervously, steadying his nerves as he is the one that reads the MP’s post.

What more can I say?

449604 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 21, #359 of 1267 🔗

For years in the West we’ve been fed a diet of junk food, screens and anti bacterial soaps and sprays. In the developing nations they have the opposite. Covid seems to be largely infecting the West? Have our bodies been weakened to prepare for this? Conspiracy maybe? Either way we need to learn some lessons from our poorer neighbours and stop thinking that man made solutions will save us. There is a world of natural solutions growing in our ground, we just need to be educated enough to know how to use them. We’ve lost these crucial skills through lack of education. Our children must be taught how to live off the land, if schools won’t teach them, then we must.

449637 ▶▶ lincsfloody, replying to Liberty, 7, #360 of 1267 🔗

If we hadn’t evolved to coping with bacteria we simply wouldn’t be here.
That there are billions of bacteria around us, on us, in us, tells us something profound, almost all bacteria are good for us.
I have never sanitised my hands as it kills off mainly good bugs. I wash my hands before eating,that’s it

450075 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to lincsfloody, 2, #361 of 1267 🔗

I wash my hands before eating,that’s it

and after using the lavatory, hopefully ? 🙂

449605 Cecil B, 14, #362 of 1267 🔗

So we have a brand new £2.3m press room for which our very own taxpayer funded Comical Ali will make daily announcements

Don’t remember the job being advertised, and it’s not as if she is related to anyone

The Chumocracy at it’s best

449607 Boris Buffoon, replying to Boris Buffoon, 40, #363 of 1267 🔗

A very worrying aspect of Government policy is the increased number of criminal offences introduced for trival and once normal matters. From meeting a friend in your own home to walking with a cup of coffee.

I suspect ‘criminality’ is now very wide spread indeed. We are all criminals now.

What it will do in the long term is undermine the respect for law.

PS. Will someone please shoot Hancock. Thank you in anticipation.

449617 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Boris Buffoon, 7, #364 of 1267 🔗

‘What it will do in the long term is undermine the respect for law’

“Apologies Sir, but that boat appears to have sailed in March 2020. It has not been heard of since and may have struck an iceberg mid Atlantic”

449625 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Boris Buffoon, 20, #365 of 1267 🔗

‘Britain, where everything is policed, except crime’. I think that quote is attributable to Mark Stein but it sums it up for me.

449629 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Boris Buffoon, 3, #366 of 1267 🔗

We’re all criminals! (Right Said Fred)


449654 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Buffoon, 2, #367 of 1267 🔗

Shoot Wankok? That, unlike drinking coffee, would not be a crime.

449664 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Boris Buffoon, 2, #368 of 1267 🔗

while it would be entertaining and enjoyable to shoot Hancock, it would sadly be a massive own goal

450072 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JaneHarry, #369 of 1267 🔗

Nah, it would ‘encourage the others’ enormously. 🙂

449616 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 15, #370 of 1267 🔗

The Sheeple will bleat approval. March 8th until at least mid May (probably longer), you will need ‘papieren’ to travel. As the Rona (fake numbers) dead totals trend to zero.

“It is currently illegal to travel abroad for holidays or non-essential purposes, and likely until at least May 17th.
The three-page declaration form for international travel, found on the government website, states that “you must complete this form to confirm that you are outside of your home to travel abroad for a legally permitted reason.”

Replaced in May by what? The beta version of the Digital Surveillance App?

But feel free to import illegals and stand them up in 4 star hotels at my expense.

449633 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FerdIII, 12, #371 of 1267 🔗

This follows what the government have been doing all along.Introduce a pointless procedure with minimal enforcement so it doesn’t receive too much opposition.Remember the principal has been established and then further down the line gradually ramp up enforcement.
Police state by numbers.

449636 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #372 of 1267 🔗

Yes I read somewhere the Fascists call it the ‘salami effect’. Slice by slice they offer you the new regulations and normalise the abnormal…..

449646 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FerdIII, 21, #373 of 1267 🔗

At the moment no one is travelling and as I understand it’s just a basic online form,but a massive step for state power has been established.
We are now under a obligation to tell the government whenever we leave the country.
This is what it must have felt like to be a Jew in 30’s Germany.
If there was anywhere worth fleeing to I would go but there is no escape.
The next few months are so crucial in fighting back

449649 ▶▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #374 of 1267 🔗

Yes this is the issue. I may need to travel for a funeral, go through form filling, testing, quarantine – all for a virus I don’t have which I can’t transmit. The precedent is obvious. And this ‘paper’ will effortlessly morph into ‘digital’ connected to…drug injection shots (it will never be ‘one and done’, but a shot every 6 months).

449660 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #375 of 1267 🔗

oh, I think there are better places to be than here: Sweden, Belarus, the ‘free’ US states, and anywhere in Africa or South America. I agree there is no guarantee that these places won’t succumb eventually, (the first 3 sooner than the last two) but they are far from the front line at the moment, and if nothing else, you buy yourself some time. really, if you want to live free for a bit longer, or to have any chance of more than 5 years survival at all, this is the only thing you can do. Fighting back is brave, and ‘right’, and all that, but unlikely to net either short term freedom or longer term survival for you personally – if you stay, you are choosing martyrdom for the cause [that’s if they don’t succeed in breaking you]

449670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #376 of 1267 🔗

Sweden has its own problems.Belarus is a dictatorship.Ill pass on Africa and South America.I think the USA is heading for another civil war.
I’ll stay and fight here

449845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to JaneHarry, 5, #377 of 1267 🔗

You might want to brush up on South America a little, it’s a long way from any sort of Covid paradise.

Argentina is a basket case as always, lock-down didn’t control the virus and they don’t know what to do next.

Chile and Paraguay have had riots over the restrictions, which still continue.

Peru has one of the most rigid lock-down regimes in the world and cases keep mounting up.

Brazil has just had the worst week of the pandemic (so the pols and press say) and went into full red zone lock-down today.

The fact that people don’t go along with the rules is down to necessity, there is no furlough, no UBI, here. People are out and about to put food on the table.

450071 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FerdIII, #378 of 1267 🔗

Standard boil-the-frogs approach.

449643 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, 7, #379 of 1267 🔗

Not only a Police State but now a Prison State too!

449651 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to isobar, 5, #380 of 1267 🔗

Has been for a year. Every home a jail, every zombie its own jailer – and yours.

449652 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to isobar, 6, #381 of 1267 🔗

Hotel UK. You can checkout but never leave….

449650 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #382 of 1267 🔗

the slowly boiled frog principle. once you’ve got the frog into the pot your main work is done.

449690 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JaneHarry, 1, #383 of 1267 🔗

We must be simmering now

449676 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, #384 of 1267 🔗

As with student lockdown at the start of the academic year. Relaxed until fees and rents confirmed as paid and then ramped up.

449729 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, #385 of 1267 🔗

When words like “must” is used in legislation, best to ignore it. When terms like “will” are used, then it’s time to pay attention!

449619 I.D.Kleine, replying to I.D.Kleine, 6, #386 of 1267 🔗

Suggestion….. a caption competition for the photo of the ‘hikers’ (the “And Finally … bit).

To get the ball rolling:

  1. I do not recommend breeding from this couple.
  2. Karen and Quentin set out for their appearance in the BBC Question Time audience
449704 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to I.D.Kleine, 1, #387 of 1267 🔗

Dogging isnt as easy as it used to be.

449971 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to I.D.Kleine, 1, #388 of 1267 🔗

Don’t worry love we’ll work out how to get out of these tents when we come to the next campsite.

449631 mhcp, 8, #389 of 1267 🔗

In the US $1.9T relief bill it has been pointed out that states are receiving aid based on unemployed numbers. So states with the stricter lockdowns resulting in widescale damage to their economies are getting more money than ones that were lighter.

Grift Unlimited. It also isn’t going to businesses directly but washed through public bodies.

I suspect the same thing is happening here.

449632 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 39, #390 of 1267 🔗

Why does Jonathan Barr have to spoil what could have been a good article by suggesting that it is only the “already vaccinated” who are beginning to disobey? Many of us have been disobeying the totalitarian rules for many months.

FFS – this is pro-gene therapy psy-oppery of the highest order. Stick your jab.

449635 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #391 of 1267 🔗

Yes the ‘perfect’ of the Covid Catharism. The selected and elected drug takers. Better with Heroin and Netshitz porn of course.

449747 ▶▶ davews, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #392 of 1267 🔗

It is a strange statistic in the first place. Living alone the only people who have been in my house are a few workmen and I haven’t been allowed in any of my ‘friend’s’ houses as they all sadly stick to the rules. But I have met and chatted to plenty of friends and others on my outdoor walks. OK, under 80, but that doesn’t really matter, most are disobeying the rules anyway.

449634 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 12, #393 of 1267 🔗

Re Drugs: Remember kids, just follow the science (or the money, or the data fraud, or the political power….). No racism here. DTP ‘vaccination’. Killing Black children. Maybe this is why UK BAME are not interested in the drugs.

“But Bill Gates and his surrogates, GAVI and WHO, made DTP a priority for African babies .

The Danish government and Novo Nordisk Foundation commissioned this study by a team of the world’s leading experts on African vaccination.

The two most prominent names, Drs. Soren Mogensen and Peter Aaby, are both vocal vaccine supporters.

They were shocked when they examined years of data from a so called “natural experiment” in Guinea Bissau where 50% of children die before age five . In that west African nation, half the children were vaccinated with the DTP vaccine at three months and the other half at six months.

Dr. Mogenson and his team found that girls vaccinated with the DTP vaccine died at 10 times the rate of unvaccinated kids. While the vaccinated children were protected from Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis, they were far more susceptible to other deadly diseases than unvaccinated peers. The vaccine apparently compromised their immune systems. Thanks to Gates, DTP is the world’s most popular vaccine. .”

449668 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 2, #394 of 1267 🔗

All in the movie The Constant Gardener

449906 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 2, #395 of 1267 🔗

Shocking stuff. Gates should be put on trial, I expect it’s no surprise to learn he’s been given immunity from prosecution!

449640 isobar, replying to isobar, 26, #396 of 1267 🔗

Curious why the DM should run this story.
Judging by the best rated readers comment, they probably didn’t get the response they expected. Comments were moderated in advance and as there are only 3 comments, looks like they were subsequently blocked.
‘The Covid jab? It’s a plot by Bill Gates to depopulate the world’: Astonishingly, that’s what former It-girl Lady Victoria Hervey really believes. What planet is she on?’


Best rated readers comment:

She’s right.

3150 upticks 1790 downticks

449662 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to isobar, #397 of 1267 🔗

Only 3 comments on there now

449666 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #398 of 1267 🔗

Should be 1-4k compared to other recent Dm articles unless the mods are bring lazy.

449667 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, 5, #399 of 1267 🔗

Yes, as I mentioned, my guess is that they realised things had backfired on them and they blocked further comments.

449705 ▶▶ stewart, replying to isobar, 2, #400 of 1267 🔗

Why they run it?

Because public lynching are great for keeping people in line.

449642 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #401 of 1267 🔗
449683 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Basileus, 6, #402 of 1267 🔗

Excellent article which will be helpful for health and social care workers refusing the jab. I’ve already had to give a reason to my employer for declining but so far no further pressure.

449746 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to fiery, 1, #403 of 1267 🔗

What industry?

450040 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #404 of 1267 🔗

Social care – short term housing project for people with mental health difficulties

449655 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 27, #405 of 1267 🔗

Update on the pastor from Edmonton who has ben placed in a maximum security prison in solitary confinement for opening his church and disobeying the rules. His application for bail was refused yesterday and he will remain where he is until May when his full trial will be held.

He believed that the rules were too draconian. They will only grant bail if eh agrees to clsoe the church which continues to meet – with increased attendance – in his absence.

Canada as People’s Republic of China. The Assange treatment for preaching about Jesus.

449659 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Londo Mollari, 5, #406 of 1267 🔗

You can still get an abortion in Canada. I doubt they would treat an open mosque with the same Nazi-tactics.

450061 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FerdIII, 2, #407 of 1267 🔗

Possibly worth sounding out a local mosque for support/solidarity ?

449742 ▶▶ davews, replying to Londo Mollari, 2, #408 of 1267 🔗

I take it that is Edmonton Canada? Not to be confused with the original one over here where churches are allowed to open anyway – bit most choose not to.

449890 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #409 of 1267 🔗

Outrageous. How on earth has this been allowed to happen?

449658 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #410 of 1267 🔗

BBC R2 News 9am.
Dr Sheila ? Of ? College of Statistics warns that “false positives from mass use of LF tests in schools will force families to isolate unnecessarily and so reduce confidence of parents in the testing system.”

Sorry for sketchy report, heard while driving out & about
Should repeat 10am.

449686 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to karenovirus, 4, #411 of 1267 🔗

‘good’ Nick Triggle is back


449693 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to steve_w, 2, #412 of 1267 🔗

That’s quite a good article, asks some key questions.

449698 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to isobar, 2, #413 of 1267 🔗

I like Nick Triggle – he has been a voice of sanity in the BBC from the beginning. He has been a bit quiet at times – but for the BBC this is almost a skeptic article

449697 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to steve_w, 2, #414 of 1267 🔗

Pre-cursor to them backing down? Hope so.

449702 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Templeton, 5, #415 of 1267 🔗

Govt to BBC ‘we’ve gone too far. the disease has fucked off, we need to get back to normal, can you let Nick Triggle off his leash’

449737 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 1, #416 of 1267 🔗

Sniper engaged. Target acquired.

We can’t have this insolence

449669 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 6, #417 of 1267 🔗

Is Boris Johnson 1.weak, 2.easily led 3.coerced 4. corrupt 5.can’t be naffed

449672 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 13, #418 of 1267 🔗

All of the above?

449677 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 2, #419 of 1267 🔗

Do survey’s work that way?

449685 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to DanClarke, 1, #420 of 1267 🔗

Depends on what the Covidisters say.

449674 ▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, 5, #421 of 1267 🔗

All 5 plus 6 useless

449689 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to isobar, 3, #422 of 1267 🔗

And a liar.

449712 ▶▶▶▶ TheClone, replying to karenovirus, #423 of 1267 🔗

Ask Carrie! 🙂

449680 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to DanClarke, 3, #424 of 1267 🔗

Privileged, racist buffoon! So, not much 4 but very much 1, 2, 3 & 5.

449711 ▶▶ wendy, replying to DanClarke, #425 of 1267 🔗

All 5 and more interested in saving his own skin than any thing else

449679 I am Spartacas, replying to I am Spartacas, 6, #426 of 1267 🔗

Much of the data I have looked at this week does not seem to fit together with official pronouncements and I don’t have ready explanations for why that might be.’

I cant help but think of Bagdad Bob (Comical Ali) – the Iraqi media minister who during the second Gulf War made those official announcements about there being no American troops in Bagdad when much of the data coming in suggested otherwise.

But then Bagdad Bob was a henchman for Iraqi dictatorship – Boris Johnson is an elected PM in a democracy – who’d of thought that an elected British government would use the very same deception tactics of an authoritarian regime.

449687 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to I am Spartacas, 1, #427 of 1267 🔗

Bozo = Ace of Spades
Hancock = Ace of Hearts . . .

449695 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to karenovirus, 5, #428 of 1267 🔗

I would have said that both of them are Jokers

449700 ▶▶ stewart, replying to I am Spartacas, 4, #429 of 1267 🔗

You think we are still in a democracy?

I want whatever it is you’re smoking.

449708 ▶▶ TheClone, replying to I am Spartacas, 6, #430 of 1267 🔗

Democracy died on 23 Mar 2020 in the UK! Welcome to Gulag Britain!

449759 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to I am Spartacas, 1, #431 of 1267 🔗

Democracy needs to be built on a foundation of absolute respect for individual liberty. Our essential liberties that are being systematically violated must never be at the mercy of democracy.

449684 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 10, #432 of 1267 🔗

Some of you may remember that last November we had a phone call with our MP, who admitted that he knew very little about Covid. He asked us to put together a letter which he would send to the PM, Gove and Hancock. We spent hours putting together seven pages of our concerns. Four months have past and yesterday a response finally arrived.
Here are a few extracts: The headings and words in italics are mine.

On blaming the science.
”From the beginning… our policies have been guided by the advice of SAGE which is led by the Chief Scientific advisor and the CMO and is kept under constant review.
Public safety is our priority and we have a team of public health experts and scientist working around the clock to make sure the NHS, the care sector and the country are fully prepared”. Fully prepared? They closed the Nightingales as they were not needed.

Removal from the HCID list
”Inclusion in the high consequence infectious diseases list typically requires a disease to meet a high threshold in its case fatality rate. We now know that Covid-19 does not meet this threshold but, because it spreads very easily, it is still a very dangerous disease overall, as evidenced by the tens of thousands of people who have died from it so far in the U.K.”. The vast majority with underlying illnesses

Inclusion on the list also means that a disease should be treated at specialist HCID treatment centres. If Covid-19 had remained on the list, the number of people suffering from it would have overwhelmed these centres meaning that there would be no capacity left to treat people with other diseases”. Isn’t this exactly what happened to cancer sufferers or those with heart disease?

”As scientific studies have shown, Covid-19 is an incredibly dangerous virus, especially to the elderly and at risk groups”.

Excess deaths
”It is true that people who have tested positive for Covid-19, could, in a few cases, have died from something else, however this does not mean that the threat posed by Covid-19 has been exaggerated…..since March 2020 there have tragically been tens of thousands more deaths than we would expect on average”. Only if you look at the last five years instead of the last twenty.

PCT tests
”I understand the concerns regarding PCR testing. We know that inaccurate information online about the RT-PCR test and its use is prevalent”. The writer then says that a quote from Cary Mullis appears not to be a direct quote, has lost its context and does not mean that “Covid-testing is fraudulent”. I sent my MP the video on which Cary Mullis talks about this”

”We are also aware that when the PCR test detects viral material it does not indicate that the virus is fully intact and infectious. The isolation of infectious virus from positive individuals requires virus culture process, which can only be conducted in laboratories with specialist containment facilities and are time-consuming and complex”

”PHE has stated that real time PCR tests are the gold standard methods for identifying individuals with an active viral infection”. Haven’t there been several articles published, including in the Lancet saying PCR should not be used as the gold standard?

”A typical PCR assay will have a maximum of 40 thermal cycles……There are many different assays in use across the U.K. Ct values cannot be directly compared between assays of different types…..” So no standardisation then?

”Additional guidance has been provided to laboratories to reduce the false positive rate even further”. Yes, don’t use a PCR test in isolation to diagnose illness”

Face coverings
“Our guidance on face coverings follows advice from SAGE. There is evidence to suggest that when used correctly, face coverings may reduce the likelihood of someone with the infection passing it on to others, particularly if they are asymptomatic….they could be partially effective in enclosed spaces…”. Remember the video of Hancock, Whitty, Harris etc saying the opposite?

Signed by Lord Bethell.

449710 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 11, #433 of 1267 🔗

Thanks for that. It truly pins down the absolute lack of knowledge and ability that has been used to back up the con on the populace.

You have pointed up a few obvious errors – but, in actuality, the whole letter is an assertion of a tissue of nonsense and fabrication.

Seeing it as an incoherent whole is truly frightening.

449722 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Margaret, 4, #434 of 1267 🔗

He describes what would be a gold standard process – viral culture from a known infected individual – and then says PCR is the gold standard! I’m not a virologist, but I can read!

449723 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Margaret, 5, #435 of 1267 🔗

Awful. His response on PCR is particularly woeful. The dismissal of Mullis is taken straight from a fact checker article. I know this because I was sent it when arguing with a friend last summer regarding the tests. The Lancet article you reference said precisely that the PCR “can not be considered the Gold Standard”. Following the science indeed. And if CTs are not a good measurement why in the Dec 14th SAGE minutes do they talk about values over 25CT being difficult for determining infectiousness.

What you are dealing with is someone who is done arguing. They want you to go away and believe you are a conspiracy theorist. They cannot be saved. They are complicit in this fraud, whether through ignorance or not, and should be treated as such.

The part about the fact Covid was assessed and taken off the High Consequence list, but he still wants to talk about it as a plague, is total cognitive dissonance.

My response would be “Read the Lancet article. You are wrong. Update your position on PCR and think what that means for the whole view of Covid-19 in 2020”

449766 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #436 of 1267 🔗

Thanks Rick, Sam Vines and BBRS. You all echo what I thought when I read it. The ignorance contained in that letter is shocking and many of the facts are outdated. They really do think we are stupid don’t they?

449769 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Margaret, 3, #437 of 1267 🔗

They don’t just think it, they’re banking on it. What an absolute crock of a response.

449881 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to leggy, 2, #438 of 1267 🔗

I would just add that the letter is exactly what my tory MP would have written. There is no point in thinking your MP is an individual he would have contacted Tory HQ for a response, he has been bought and paid for.

449777 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Margaret, 3, #439 of 1267 🔗

They know that there are enough stupid folk to make the bullshit work. They also know damn well that some of us aren’t, but we are not so many.

449808 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to Margaret, 2, #440 of 1267 🔗

At least your MP was honest enough to admit they knew little-that is often the beginning of wisdom. Lord Bethell thinks he knows a lot but confirms he knows little.

449694 stewart, replying to stewart, 15, #441 of 1267 🔗

State bureaucracies, in so far as they have a mind, want to control the population as much as possible.

Although most people don’t particularly want to be controlled, an atmosphere has been created in which everyone believes that every else wants to be controlled and must go along with what the majority supposedly wants.

This presents a once in a lifetime opportunity for the state bureaucracy to expand its control of the population and it’s not going to waste it.

The mediocre, substandard politicians we currently in government are being played and manipulated like the rest of us into implementing the state’s horrific totalitarian agenda.

449703 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to stewart, 4, #442 of 1267 🔗

There was a document,leaked right at the start of this,to UK Column,which showed that the government was going to use the crisis,to repurpose the way we are governed.

449707 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #443 of 1267 🔗

Do you have a link to it?

449706 merlin, replying to merlin, 15, #444 of 1267 🔗

Just look at the benefits of having 2 doses of an experimental gene therapy. 500 masked morons in a 30,000 seater stadium watching a anti socially distanced rock band.

449864 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to merlin, 3, #445 of 1267 🔗

Oh the irony is just too much. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

449713 The Covid Kid, 8, #446 of 1267 🔗


449715 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 22, #447 of 1267 🔗

I’m just printing out some stuff for a children’s birthday zoom party (I never thought I would write that) and stumbled across an email I wrote to my MP

“Boris made clear yesterday that he can’t guarantee there won’t be another lockdown. That is as good a guarantee that we will have another one as we can get. The seasonal cycle will tick up in Autumn/Winter and we will have lockdown 4.0.

I don’t think we can carry on like this – I think Boris needs to go – the sooner that is done the better.  We need someone who is capable of seeing the bigger picture.

In my work in International Development, I read widely and some of that I’ve shared with you. I suspect 30 million child deaths (under 5 year olds) are ‘baked in’ – possibly 3 million per year over 10 years – possibly a lot more. To say nothing of the QALYs lost. International Development has gone back 30 years (things were a lot worse 30 years ago) and this is the first year the Human Development Index has gone backwards.

This is a catastrophe of our own making – on a par with the Chinese Four Pests Campaign and Great Famine where 45 million people died because the government was ‘trying to solve a problem’ and created a bigger one.

I don’t now how we get out of this insanity. I feel dreadful guilt that I can’t do more. But we have to remember total deaths of covid-19 is right in the middle of both HK Flu and Asian flu (1-4 million). It’s nothing special but our response to it is.”

449751 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 10, #448 of 1267 🔗

I think Boris needs to go …”

Well – he should never have been there in the first place. It’s his lack of qualification that is his most astounding feature.

But, that said, the removal of the career lying psychopath is a side issue. He will be replaced by someone whose job is to normalize the new abnormal. Oldest trick in the book.

449860 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to RickH, 3, #449 of 1267 🔗

The trouble is, if he went, we’d likely get Gove…

449980 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to richardw53, 1, #450 of 1267 🔗

Gove is a snake and his ‘colleagues’ all know it. I don’t think he has a chance.

449988 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to steve_w, 1, #451 of 1267 🔗

Thanks for trying to bring this to your MP’s attention, even if it fell on deaf ears. You’re absolutely right about the likely impact on the developing world and it’s another thing the West should be ashamed of in this sorry episode.

I’m optimistic that Bozo will soon be gone. Many Tory MPs will want things opened up soon and will be hearing this from their ‘vaccinated’ elderly constituents, who are apparently out there ‘breaking the rules’ en masse. It really does look like Bozo is living in a different world and I suspect he will be pushed out by the 1922 Committee. The next PM will need to focus on economic and social recovery and any kind of restrictions will work against that, so I’m hoping we will see the last of them soon.

450205 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tom in Scotland, #452 of 1267 🔗

my MP always gets back and always reads my emails. I usually link to some documents about the horrors they have unleashed and pull out quotes to make it easy.

449718 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #453 of 1267 🔗

The senior doctor above writes-

Advocates of ‘non-pharmaceutical interventions’ will probably attribute the difference to societal lockdown. Adherents to the other side of the argument may claim this is a consequence of ‘herd immunity’. It may even be that the virus recedes in warmer weather.

I wonder if daylight on its own is a factor? The more of it there is the less infections there are.

449720 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #454 of 1267 🔗


449744 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to karenovirus, 3, #455 of 1267 🔗

Brilliant lack of verbiage unlike Bungle above.

449721 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #456 of 1267 🔗

it is one of the proposed factors – there are many others – its not well understood even for flu


449727 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to steve_w, #457 of 1267 🔗

Thank you for the link

449730 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #458 of 1267 🔗

I wonder if daylight on its own is a factor? The more of it there is the less infections there are.

Wasn’t this what Trump mused about early on. Also more sunlight = more people outside = more vit D = stronger immune response.

449732 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #459 of 1267 🔗

Seasons refer to daylight, at least to bird, flower & creature observers. I’m not sure that flora & fauna use those terms themselves. Humans delude themselves and call August a summer month and when they travel, they head south unlike every other creature (in the northern hemisphere) which head north. Ned is right, when we talk of the seasonal effect, we mean daylight not temperature which lags somewhat. With winter ending on 5th February, we are now well past danger time!

449748 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bungle, #460 of 1267 🔗

Up to a point, Lord Copper. The deaths were rampant in April last year.

449760 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to RickH, 7, #461 of 1267 🔗

Lockdown deaths of people denied or terrified into avoiding medical treatment.

449800 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, 2, #462 of 1267 🔗

Would that be because it was in its first round last year?

449858 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 7, #463 of 1267 🔗

April’s deaths were due to discharging infected patients into care homes. That is what sparked the hysteria and it was done deliberately.

449958 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #464 of 1267 🔗

Just as big a factor was withdrawing their medical care whether they were infected or not.

449857 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Bungle, 4, #465 of 1267 🔗

Horses shed. their winter coats as daylight lengthens. Insects emerge from their winter state as daylight lengthens. Stands to reason.

449863 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #466 of 1267 🔗

The main issues with seasonality tend to be (i) higher humidity in summer (ii) higher levels of UV light leading to increased VitD3 production as well as direct UV light sterilisation. (iii) breathing through the nose on extremely hot days actually kills bacteria and viruses by direct hyperthermia.

449724 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #467 of 1267 🔗

It would be interesting to take all the nursing homes vaccinated in a single week and plot all their deaths (actual date of) per 1000 from ten weeks before to ten weeks after vaccination week.

And if this were repeated for each group of vaccination weeks we would have good picture showing if all cause deaths increased in all nursing homes with or without vaccination or if the deaths increase after week of vaccination in nursing homes.

449734 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Major Panic, 10, #468 of 1267 🔗

I’ve been updating this chart lately. Vaccine introduced on December the 8th:

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449763 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John Galt, #469 of 1267 🔗

is it possible to group over 80’s in nursing homes into groups of week vaccinated rather than all care home deaths clumped as one – that would show if there is an undeniable correlation/link if all the ”week vaccinated” charts were the same shape but offset by week

449778 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Major Panic, 6, #470 of 1267 🔗

No. Solely because there would be an obvious “undeniable correlation/link”, they will never give that level of detailed data at this stage.

449796 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to John Galt, 2, #471 of 1267 🔗

good point

449774 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to John Galt, 2, #472 of 1267 🔗

This graph is damning. Have you brought to the attention of Lockdown Sceptics (they don’t necessarily take notice of what is in the comments)?

449781 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #473 of 1267 🔗

The site update writers ignore anything relating to the vaccine. Last month I actually broke a story about 20+ deaths post-vaccine in a care home (that had previously had 0 deaths), thinking that it would be a huge piece of news for the main updates. Nothing said.

They will literally not talk about anything vaccine related unless it’s part of the sentence “and the vaccine will help us get out of lockdown.”

I may send it to UK Column actually, but they’re generally on top of this type of thing anyway.

449825 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #474 of 1267 🔗

Even filtering for vaccinated residents vs non vaccinated. Send it to Joel Smalley or Pandata please

449951 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Major Panic, 2, #475 of 1267 🔗

What I would really like to see is a plot of care home deaths with bars or lines for jabbed care homes versus non-jabbed ones. The Medical Dictatorship have though been very careful to jab all the care homes in the first cohort rather than by say region so they all fall (literally) together.

449725 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #476 of 1267 🔗

This link is the famous e-mail dump requested in the US and granted 4 th March on the FOI act.


 It is in a way it is unreadable as there is going to be someone writing an article with the most essential elements. This link will not be publicized by MSM so important to have this complete. It describes the e mail discussion with WHO and US about the C-19 response and it shows the complete acceptance of the Chinese response and throwing out of all previous guidelines. You will hear much more about this in the coming weeks. Below a snapshot of WHO’s acceptance of Chinese LD although having some “costs”. These are the same WHO persons in Oct 2019 having exactly opposite view of LD.

449741 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #477 of 1267 🔗

These are the same WHO persons in Oct 2019 having exactly opposite view of LD”

But are they the same people? The October 2019 strategy document was prepared by a careful analysis of actual information and evidence, not simply the assertions of the Chinese. The only ‘political’ content was sane consideration of the acceptability and practicality of various measures.

449764 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, 10, #478 of 1267 🔗

The people running the WHO didn’t change after October 2019.
Tedros, a revolutionary Marxist from Ethiopia, the ex-health minister of that country who denied there’d been a cholera outbreak and said it was just people with “watery diarrhoea,” and who continued to deny there was cholera in his country until it spread to neighbouring countries, was in charge of the WHO.
He got that position with the support of the Chinese Communist Party. He’s accepted their propaganda at face value, i.e. CV19 came from a wet market that just so happens to be close to a virology lab, it wasn’t spread from person to person, the lockdown of Wuhan worked so other countries should do the same.

449731 RickH, 2, #479 of 1267 🔗

Re. issues relating to schools – another shout out for this truly excellent video discussion from HART that was highlighted yesterday – if you haven’t caught it :


449733 JFJ, replying to JFJ, 14, #480 of 1267 🔗

I’m 68. I have gone out as much as what is open allows, and otherwise to walk or for no reason than to get out. There are a few places, that going to makes me feel somewhat normal. I have allowed friends in the house and told workers they don’t need to wear masks. I have had the most wonderful head cold and felt normal having it, since the lack of contact seems to have almost wiped out this seasonal expectation of sniffles. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Then, forced by familial circumstances, had the vaccine. I’m joining the octogenarian rebellion now, since as Lord Sumption pointed out in his amazing interview on UnHerd yesterday, this is the way we will stop this madness. Writing the MP is useless and the Government doesn’t hear. hmmmm? I wonder if there is local rave in my area tonight?

449755 ▶▶ John, replying to JFJ, 2, #481 of 1267 🔗

If there was just me in my house I would be doing the same, but my wife is less of a sceptic than I am. I, too, had the vaccine due to familial circumstances. I have had cold symptoms, but apparently these have now been added to the CoViD19 symptom list!

450018 ▶▶▶ JFJ, replying to John, 1, #482 of 1267 🔗

Really!? I hadn’t seen that. I am very certain this was just a common head cold….but next thing you know excess ear wax and hangnails will be put down to covid.

450316 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to JFJ, #483 of 1267 🔗

It was on a list of symptoms that my previous company circulated on a checklist for visitors.

449855 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JFJ, 5, #484 of 1267 🔗

That’s the spirit.Up the oldies! We are the rebels now!

449736 Alpine, replying to Alpine, 9, #485 of 1267 🔗

Guy de la Bédoyère, in his piece about Isle of Man’s Mr Quayle:
He (Mr Quayle) hopes to “get this right one more time” because “it has worked before”. Guy scoffs at this.
Later in the same article: ‘Quayle seems to be intimating that the vaccines might be the way out. Let’s hope so….nothing else in sight seems to be stopping this relentless march…’
What? And you really believe vaccines are going to stop it??
Prize to Guy for cognitive dissonance!

449770 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Alpine, 8, #486 of 1267 🔗

The vaccine is a magical solution to what is in reality, for most people, a non-problem. My hope at the moment is that the magical solution will work. What other hope can we have?

Unfortunately, the magical solution of masks hasn’t worked. Are injections possibly more powerful, being invasive and painful? Or are all magical solutions bound to fall short, because they entrench a failure to engage with reality?

449782 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Alethea, 6, #487 of 1267 🔗

The best outcome would have been a mass realisation that a huge mistake has been made. That now seems unlikely, especially now that there are “vaccines” and the likely arrival of some kind of herd immunity as cover. It may have been better in the long term for us to have permanent draconian lockdown which may eventually have pushed people into rebellion. That may still happen of course, or there may be a permanent draconian lockdown and no rebellion.

The most optimistic reading of the future is that there is a slow drift back to normality, and we have to hope that no more “pandemics” arrive.

450045 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alethea, #488 of 1267 🔗

Hands up if you think a ‘magical solution’ is any part of the bad guys’ agenda ? Ffs.

449738 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 15, #489 of 1267 🔗

Three of my relatives, none of whom are getting the vaccine, have reported to me three separate conversations with people they know regarding the vaccine.

All three of these people have made the point “but you won’t be able to travel without it”. One of them even gleefully made this point, like it was funny.

Has anyone else come across this?

449821 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to John Galt, 5, #490 of 1267 🔗

Given the new restriction about filling in everything bar your hat size to leave the country, how’s that working out for them?

449743 Dame Lynet, 14, #491 of 1267 🔗

Good summary from Guy regarding the dire incoherent flailing around by the Manx govt inflicted on the population, although spoilt at the end by reference to ‘the vax’ being the escape route.

I’ve got news for Guy; it isn’t, it will serve to bake in the control and I just can’t see how these people don’t realise this.

449745 captainbeefheart, replying to captainbeefheart, 13, #492 of 1267 🔗

I’ve not commented for a while, so thought I’d do a bit of a brain dump.

The article about older people suddenly feeling more confident after being jabbed reflects my recent experiences. My parents now jabbed are slowly returning back to normal. They even let me go round their house on my daughter’s first birthday.

The news was on when we arrived, but was quickly switched off and there was little talk about covid, seemed pretty normal.

One of my drinking mates works in a DIY store and now says there are suddenly loads more older people in store (which is annoying for him – it is basically a ‘trade’ DIY store, now loads of domestic customers who are not builders are interrupting him all day asking about light fittings etc).

On a totally unrelated topic, I was watching “Inside Chernobyl with Ben Fogle” on the Yesterday channel the other night. He was going around highly radioactive buildings and I noticed most of the time, the only PPE he was wearing was a mask (some of the time)

I suppose as you could actually see the highly radioactive dust in the air, it would be a good idea to try not to breathe it in, so the mask might help a bit, but if I were there, I’d probably want to be wearing something slightly more protective…

Maybe when the nukes start going off, we can just cover our houses in masks to protect them.

449749 ▶▶ JFJ, replying to captainbeefheart, 2, #493 of 1267 🔗

I have noticed at Saturday evening Mass that suddenly the older members of the parish coming to Mass has about doubled. Most, if not all, I assume have been vaccinated. Its great to see.

450043 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JFJ, 1, #494 of 1267 🔗

There’s probably an interesting academic thesis to be written on the interaction of two cults …

449850 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to captainbeefheart, 3, #495 of 1267 🔗

Yes, I was watching that laughable level of PPE last night. Radioactive fallout (radioactive dust) requires a proper closely-fitting gasmask with a proper inhalation filter like those used by car-spraying shops.

The silly thing he was given to wear was worthless, just like those used in shops by the bedwetting community.

449989 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to captainbeefheart, 4, #496 of 1267 🔗

I’ve noticed that all the older folks at my allotment site have stopped social distancing now that they’ve had the jab. Lots of conversations going on with people about a meter away from each other. Walking home today, I also passed a fair number of older people without masks who didn’t hesitate to walk near me. They all seem much calmer than they did a month ago. Of course, we don’t know how many thought it was all a load of b*****s anyway.

450036 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to captainbeefheart, 1, #497 of 1267 🔗

… interrupting him all day asking about light fittings …

The utter bastards !

449753 Julian, replying to Julian, 23, #498 of 1267 🔗

Down to the market today. I thought outdoor masking had peaked at around 10-15% but today there seemed to be more middle aged people muzzled – around 25-30%. Wonder if it occurs to them that the market stallholders, none of whom are ever muzzled, come into contact with thousands of people and have never closed throughout the “pandemic” but none of them has ever been sick.

449779 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Julian, 13, #499 of 1267 🔗

Outdoor masking here has been at a depressing level for months. And today didn’t look any different.

I go to the market every Saturday and, as you find, the majority of stallholders are unmasked, and still very much alive.
Given the fact that they speak to hundreds of people every day, I drop little sceptical tidbits into the conversation, and judging by their reactions some of that information will get passed on to other customers.
We have to use whatever means of dissemination we can.

449787 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Julian, 5, #500 of 1267 🔗

Bit like all the supermarket staff since last year

449861 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Templeton, 3, #501 of 1267 🔗

Said it from the start, they are the best, simplest, most visible barometer of what’s happening (or not).

449933 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Julian, 3, #502 of 1267 🔗

Market was quite quiet at the time I hit it. Not many muzzles or anti-SD. The Italian Deli guy as usual was totally 2019. A neighbour who’s a believer, but unmasked and never avoids me at least, went about noon and was complaining the High St was just too busy and full of people ambling around or sitting around drinking coffee. Better busy than dead no?

449818 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #504 of 1267 🔗

Don’t get tested folks.

449756 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 3, #505 of 1267 🔗

Important debunk by Philip Watson of Trish’s 40‰ asymptomatic claim on GMB.
Notice Devi also giving the thumbs up to the BS. https://citizenjournos.com/2021/03/02/trish-greenhalgh-takes-misinformation-onto-national-tv/

449811 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mic67, 1, #506 of 1267 🔗

Nice. Looks like a site focused on Northern Ireland as well. Very few actual challenge in any media on the narrative here. Even the alternative media

449868 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #507 of 1267 🔗

Yes such a blatant illustration of how these folks influence the power over our lives. The way the deity Sridhar comments ‘its about teamwork and public health’ underneath it makes it a doubly brilliant takedown!

449757 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 9, #508 of 1267 🔗

Why you should never let anyone do the PCR test for you under ANY circumstances:


The swab is only meant to go into you nostril about an inch AND NO FURTHER!

This woman clearly had some bl00dy fool do it, far too hard and utterly incompetently. You are NOT meant to push it in as far as it will go. If there isn’t any viral material inside your nostrils (which are meant to act as a filter) then there is nothing more to be “sampled”.

I hope she sues them into penury.

449910 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to RichardJames, #509 of 1267 🔗

If the testing is being carried out by officially trained staff, the swab is supposed to be inserted as high as can be until resistance is felt (ie at the membrane covering the C. plate).


I have never been able to find out how it is that an officially conducted test has to be so invasive (and potentially harmful) yet a test carried out on themselves or on their children by a member of the public, which doesn’t require such an invasive procedure, is regarded as equally meaningful.

450163 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Dodderydude, 1, #510 of 1267 🔗

Although I am aware of the “instructions”, there is no way on God’s earth that swab is going to touch such a delicate membrane as the Cribriform Plate in me or my wife, (or anyone I am responsible for).

I have seen reports of people with blood coming from their noses after a test and the link I posted above was of a woman who had a swab pushed through the said plate by an incompetent c**t.

Never happening while I am watching or carrying out that test. I could not care less if that may result in a false negative.

450210 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to RichardJames, 1, #511 of 1267 🔗

I agree with you. I have also read some people have commented that their eyes hurt for several days after a PCR test. Apparently, if it’s carried out in a clumsy fashion the ‘cotton bud’ (for want of a better description) can bruise the optic nerve. Sounds lovely, doesn’t it?

449758 Victoria, 12, #512 of 1267 🔗

Fancy that! Royal Statistical Society is concerned about the False Positive Rate of rapid tests for school pupils with the low prevalence of Covid. They warn of a risk that MAJORITY of positives will be FALSE.

4 page letter on link


449761 Victoria, 22, #513 of 1267 🔗

So true!!

PARENTS. Don't you DARE be grateful that your kids are going back to school on Monday.

School isn't a privilege, it's their RIGHT. A year ago, you'd have been fined for taking your child out of class for 1 DAY.

Don't be grateful when you're given back what was rightfully yours.


449762 mj, 16, #514 of 1267 🔗

been to shops . a few unmasked. no comments as usual. then went to Asda for diesel and chatted with the old guy doing all the bins. who was made to wear his (grubby) mask whilst walking around the car park.. he was totally pissed off – mentioned he had swervers all the time if he lowered his mask. He had been vaxxed but not convinced why he had bothered.

449765 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #515 of 1267 🔗

The US is waking up State by State whilst the incompetent corrupt U.K. Govt still lock its people up and decimated the economy yet further


449966 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Victoria, 1, #516 of 1267 🔗

Yes, and after seeing the impaact of US ‘ideas’ in the form of BLM, statue-removal, and other forms of wokeness on the UK, we will soon be opening up, too.

450030 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom in Scotland, 1, #517 of 1267 🔗

US ideas are along the lines of God, guns, and apple pie.

Those you mention are deep state/nwo/illuminati/banker type shite

449768 Victoria, 7, #518 of 1267 🔗

EXC: Bill Gates Foundation Funded Genomics Firm ‘Mining’ DNA Data Through COVID Tests.

449775 RickH, replying to RickH, 33, #519 of 1267 🔗

I compliment the ‘Senior Doctor’ on his trawl through the numbers.

His one major error is, however, in thinking that the term ‘Covid deaths’ has some meaning.

A lot of his puzzlement over inconsistencies would disappear if he started from the premise that this is a fantasy number. Misattribution has been rife from the start of the shit-show, and we’ll never know the true picture other than through incredibly detailed detective work, which may or may not reveal something more accurate.

449793 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 3, #520 of 1267 🔗

There was one analysis here which pointed to the statistical variance in deaths from things like cancer and alzheimers. It was a downward swing of 500% in terms of deviation in some cases.

You would not need a full investigation just yet. But those high level anomolies should be enough to trigger head scratching. Unless, of course, there is a cover up.

449806 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #521 of 1267 🔗

This one ?

449836 ▶▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to karenovirus, #522 of 1267 🔗

These are incorrect figures ons have “corrected” the data. Those are sum of years not average you need to divide by 5.

450481 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #523 of 1267 🔗

OH, so for example, the average for the previous five years is 5, 640 dementia vs 5, 281 last year in December

Then it is nothing like as damning then. I read that yesterday and was shocked because it was a literal smoking gun.

449807 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #524 of 1267 🔗

Yes, that was from Allen yesterday, a re-post of his/her previous analysis.

450475 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to isobar, #525 of 1267 🔗

So that post yesterday was all wrong?

449776 TyRade, replying to TyRade, 24, #527 of 1267 🔗

re the Isle of Man: surely it has TT cell immunity?

449785 ▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to TyRade, 7, #528 of 1267 🔗

Lol, I wish!

Thinking of the TT makes me want to cry – not sure it will ever happen again.

The sound of bikes is the sound of summer and freedom (usually after a windy, grey Manx winter) and the Island buzzing and chock full of people.

449791 wendy, replying to wendy, 29, #529 of 1267 🔗

From talking with friends, family, neighbours and looking around at folks on the streets this is how I see the vaccinations will go:

Most at risk groups will have high up take;
younger folks will have it to a) have an easy life and go abroad on holidays or go to work, gyms, socialise b) because they have come to believe they are protecting their family.

And in this way I reckon there will be say 90% uptake. That there may be issues with mass population vaccination, that some people will have adverse reactions and a few die from a medication they don’t really need, that there are discriminations on unvaccinated will not bother all these folks who want an easy life or think we deserve it.

I don’t know where that leaves the 10% who are thinking about things, have concerns and will not be forced into a medication we don’t need. Perhaps if there is community immunity there won’t be too many restrictions on us.

As for the rest of this year I really do not see restrictions ending and I think mass testing will continue. And my feeling is that there will be great fear from the authorities around next winter. Until then I don’t see how the vaccinated population can put their vaccines to the test as infections will, even if there is an uptick as schools go back, die down by May. The strategy also seems to be to eliminate covid so how can vaccines be tested anyway.

I think we will have to learn to live our lives under the radar and with the support of others who feel the same. Already I know there are a few of my friends who will not see me because I am unvaccinated. I don’t want to be with these people and I won’t continue the friendship. We must continue to protest and raise our concerns but I think the lobby of the fearful is stronger and we don’t have a strong leader.

449805 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to wendy, 28, #530 of 1267 🔗

Next Winter is crunch time, becaue that is when large numbers of vaccinated people will be exposed to large volumes of wild coronaviruses for the first time.

As Mr Spock might have said:

“Fascinating, Captain”

449823 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to rockoman, 3, #531 of 1267 🔗

I reckon that a booster will be available by autumn for all the pesky mutations.

449849 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #532 of 1267 🔗

The issue is more around ADE upon encountering the virus in the wild.

449970 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to rockoman, 3, #533 of 1267 🔗

Watching the Walking Dead this week, I had a vision of next winter… wild virus plus vaccine equals zombie apocalypse and the unvaxxed inherit the earth…

449810 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendy, 6, #534 of 1267 🔗

That strikes me as a sound analysis, Wendy. I can’t clearly envision restrictions ending either. The incursion into every aspect of life, including our private lives, is so complete that it is difficult to see how they will pull back from it (even if they wanted to). I increasingly believe that the vaccine zealots are not really troubled by fellow citizens declining the jab as much as they are by any sign of non-conformity. It is other people that are seen as a threat, not a virus or any health effects that it may have. So I agree that we non-conformists will need to try to live under the radar for as long as others remain content not to live life at all.

449875 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #535 of 1267 🔗

Hold on, you’re making an assumption about the people having the vaccination that is not necessarily true.
Yes some people will have the vaccination because it’s the “right thing to do”, some people will have it because they believe that it will protect them, some people will have it because they’re made to feel guilty by employers or colleagues and others will have it because of other pressures (the lesser of two evils mental health or physical health).

449814 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendy, 13, #536 of 1267 🔗

90% much too high. Their propaganda seems to work with you, wendy. 🙂

Around 50-60% takeup would be my guess.

449824 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to JohnB, 3, #537 of 1267 🔗

Have to say that of all my lot, family and friends, I’m the only one not to have had the vax.

449917 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Biggles, 1, #538 of 1267 🔗

Yes Biggles I am in the same position. I will be the only one in my circle too.

449831 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JohnB, 2, #539 of 1267 🔗

I’m not so sure it is much too high, JohnB, in the medium-term (and in the adult population). It’s going to take a lot of determination and conviction for people to continue to decline the jab as the months pass, in my opinion. I am in no doubt that every possible lever will be pulled to make individuals believe that they cannot participate in life without it and that will break most people – combined with social pressure. I think 90% is unrealistic this year but I think the establishment is quite prepared for a war of attrition.

449832 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JohnB, 3, #540 of 1267 🔗

Max 50%. This means that there will not be mandatory Drug IDs or Papers. Why? Politically it is a dead end. Socially and Economically a disaster.

Drugs are not vaccines. And the truth will out itself re the dead and mutilated from the drugs.

449960 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to FerdIII, 4, #541 of 1267 🔗

Yes, I agree with you and JohnB – somewhere around half. I think many people here are worrying too much. It’s clear that the uptake, even among older people, is lower than what the authorities expected, hence the talk of needing to get rid of excess ‘vaccines’ that people did not show up for, etc. The scare tactics are just that – attempts to frighten people, via psy-ops, into thinking that they will never travel again or enter a pub. It’s nonsense. The tide is turning, particularly in some US states, and things will move more quickly as we go into spring in the Northern Hemisphere and people ignore the restrictions in very large numbers. Many parents will fight against any attempt to inject their children and I think this will be a major factor in pushing back.

The social and economic disaster will take centre stage in the coming months and I suspect that the authorities will shift gears, trying to get people out and about and spending money this summer. Restrictions would work against this effort. If people are frightened, they can get the magic ‘vaccine’ to protect themselves (if they believe that), and I think the messaging will shift away from ‘protecting others’ to ‘protect yourself’ to facilitate this. Let’s try to be more optimistic here. The hysteria is fading and things are going to change.

449967 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tom in Scotland, 3, #542 of 1267 🔗

I so do hope so Tom, I suppose I try to think about what the near future may hold so I can prepare myself to face things and find a way to live some sort of a life

449820 ▶▶ merlin, replying to wendy, 10, #543 of 1267 🔗

I am avoiding all those taking experimental stabs in case I get infected by some hybrid monster virus. And NO way will uptake be 90pct. Even in Israel the uptake has fallen off a cliff after they did 80pct of over 60s.

449880 ▶▶▶ John, replying to merlin, #544 of 1267 🔗

What hybrid monster virus, where would this come from?

449828 ▶▶ TJN, replying to wendy, 20, #545 of 1267 🔗

‘Friends’ who won’t see you if you haven’t had the jab are not your friends, and not worthy of being your friend.

Your gain.

449924 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to TJN, 5, #546 of 1267 🔗

Yes indeed TNJ, it has been a process of seeing who really is your friend and will stand by you. The others are not needed now.

449829 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to wendy, 1, #547 of 1267 🔗

Without day to day contact our immune systems will be shot. Lots of colds etc. Flu will be roaring back unless you have the 2021 vax. Now that the precedence has been set , expect muzzles on public transport.
Joy .

449859 ▶▶ John, replying to wendy, 3, #548 of 1267 🔗

The fact that you’re not vaccinated is irrelevant and their logic is flawed to say the least.
There’s no presumption of efficacy or otherwise of any vaccine.

From their viewpoint:
You’re not vaccinated
You can potentially be infected and infectious
They’ve been vaccinated and should be immune
Therefore you cannot infect them and hence there’s no reason for them not to see you.
From your point of view:
They’ve been vaccinated
They can still be infected/infectious
You are not vaccinated and potentially vulnerable
Therefore you have the reason not to see them.

449941 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to John, 1, #549 of 1267 🔗

Well John, we are thinking and not swallowing fear but others have been taken in by the fear. I ask myself why and it must be something to do with what they need for themselves – perhaps a desire for some external agency to protect them or think for them.

I will keep my head down and arm away from a medication I don’t feel I need and stay around people who feel and think the same as me, like here, but I do now think it will be next year before things begin to ease up.

449876 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to wendy, 5, #550 of 1267 🔗

90% is far too high.

I’d estimate 60%

449902 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rockoman, 2, #551 of 1267 🔗

55% tops….

449956 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Two-Six, 1, #552 of 1267 🔗

We are already up to around 22 million and still on over 50s age groups. Perhaps if it is a big up take those who don’t feel at risk of covid and don’t wish an unnecessary medication might be left in peace and penalties on us will be less?

450164 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to wendy, #553 of 1267 🔗

I seriously doubt their figures. Partly cos they aren’t that competant, partly because, as they have lied to us about everything else, why not lie about vaccine uptake to make people think everyone else is getting them. Also there have already been quite a few people under 50 vaccinated due to care home and health workers. I have heard of a few 40 somethings (non care workers) who have already been offered it. I think they have hit something of a brick wall, hence rolling out the Queen and celebs to promote the vax.

Therefore I’m trying to be cautiously optimistic and think maybe around 25% will refuse to be jabbed.

449792 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 11, #554 of 1267 🔗

BTL, in the Daily Fail, Victoria Hervey article, someone has mentioned writing to their insurance company, if it will cover them for death/injury caused by the death-jabs, and not having heard back from them, as of yet. Has anyone else here been in touch with theirs and had a response? Would be interesting to know.

449803 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jinks, 17, #555 of 1267 🔗

In yesterdays’s comments somebody posted a clip from a Facebook user in Canada.

Thr person concerned had contacted her life insurance company.

The company said that her life insurance would not be valid if death occurred due to a vaccine taken now, because they are officially in the experimental stage.

It wason yesterday’s comments – middle of the day somewhere.

It was an image of the Facebook comment.

449816 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to rockoman, #556 of 1267 🔗

GTK. Thank you

449804 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jinks, 7, #557 of 1267 🔗

It was mentioned yesterday BTL, readers provided instances where both life and travel insurance will not cover experimental vaccines.

449815 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to karenovirus, 1, #558 of 1267 🔗

That’s what I thought. Thank you.

449969 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to karenovirus, 5, #559 of 1267 🔗
449812 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Jinks, 3, #560 of 1267 🔗

Life Insurance is generally underwritten based on your circumstances at the time of taking out a policy. Whatever happens in the future, provided you didn’t lie in your original application, shouldn’t affect your ability to make a claim.

Most policies even cover you for suicide after 12 months.

This is UK specific, I don’t know what things are like in other countries.

449844 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Nobody2021, #561 of 1267 🔗

I’ve filled out LI policies, and dont remember having ever come across any questions on vaccination status. Maybe I’m wrong.

449843 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to Jinks, #562 of 1267 🔗

Aren’t vaccine manufacturers protected from civil liability in case of adverse reactions to the Covoid jabberwocky? And this is how it was able to be fast-tracked for mass distribution?

449847 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Liz F, #563 of 1267 🔗

Yes they are, unless criminal action can be proven. My question is more about existing policies, and whether insurance companies will pay in the event of illness, injury or death if it can be linked to the death-jab.

449856 ▶▶▶▶ Liz F, replying to Jinks, 1, #564 of 1267 🔗

Very good point. It seems incredible that there should be no possibility of taking legal action if needed.

449932 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Jinks, 1, #565 of 1267 🔗

It’s because they can’t model the risk so rightly so cannot offer compensation. It could be open ended. Insurance companies still have to make a profit otherwise no-one ever will get a payout.

449819 RickH, 7, #566 of 1267 🔗

The lead item today should have been :

Follow The Politics, Not The Science”
… an excellent analytical overview.

449826 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 12, #567 of 1267 🔗

Ireland, full on Covid retard. Quackademic medical fascism.


Then, we must also consider the deeply disturbed minds of the academics who are campaigning for the absolute subjugation of an entire nation. Consider the Independent Scientific Advisory Group (ISAG) and its zany wackos who want to see the nation subjected to further tyranny, with even more extreme restrictions on freedom of movement, as part of a bizarre and dangerous ‘ Zero Covid ’ push.

Ironically, and quite disconcertingly, one of the faces of this anti-human movement refers to herself as a human rights activist . Could you be any more dissociated from reality?

449851 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to FerdIII, #568 of 1267 🔗

What a great article – thanks for the link.

449926 ▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to FerdIII, 10, #569 of 1267 🔗

I’ve never been so ashamed of working in the academic world. The whole ‘woke’ thing was bad enough, but now this shit. I suspect, however, that universities will eventually get their comeuppance, and it won’t be pretty. Not only will many academic people have lost all their credibility, but universities will struggle with cash flow when this fraud is fully exposed.

449946 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Tom in Scotland, 4, #570 of 1267 🔗

Many universities are struggling now, as most of their revenue comes from overseas students.

449999 ▶▶▶▶ Tom in Scotland, replying to Andrew K, 2, #571 of 1267 🔗

It’s odd, because some are in serious trouble, while others are doing fine. Mine is recruiting like you wouldn’t believe and we are hiring (!) – three posts recently in my unit alone. I don’t get it. I do think the shit will hit the fan eventually, though, and I can tell from experience working in China that the huge university expansion there in recent years (coupled with the ‘baby bust’) will be reducing the flow of international students to the West soon.

449830 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 13, #572 of 1267 🔗

People jogging with masks think they’re doing their bit to protect others.

If they really cared they wouldn’t go jogging.

449837 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #573 of 1267 🔗

Exercising is protecting ‘others’ by impoving one’s own health. Fresh air and exertion is precisely what you need.

Exercising with a diaper is phucking stupid. You can’t breathe and you will make yourself sick.

Stop drinking the phucking Covid Kook Aid.

449840 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nobody2021, 10, #574 of 1267 🔗

I assume this is sarcastic, and whoever down voted you didn’t get that.

449842 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Nobody2021, 8, #575 of 1267 🔗

Yes, but if they didn’t go jogging, then nobody would see how important it is to them to protect others.

449834 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 13, #576 of 1267 🔗

Good news that the over 80’s deaths ‘with covid’ are dropping so fast – this has been credited to the effectiveness of the vaccine…

But is it possible that there are less frail over 80’s available to die ‘with covid’ currently because so many of them died ‘with covid’ shortly after they received their life saving vaccines?

449838 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, 4, #577 of 1267 🔗

I read your first sentence as ‘dropping like flies’.

449887 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to karenovirus, 4, #578 of 1267 🔗

yes, they seemed to be just after receiving their life saving jabs – interesting to see how many of the survivors get through the 2nd jab onslaught….

449839 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Major Panic, 10, #579 of 1267 🔗

How is the drug working?

These people were jabbed – 95% – between Dec and end of Jan.

15 K have died since end of Jan….so how the hell is that ‘effective’, or ’95 % effective’ as the Covidtards declaim?

449853 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 2, #580 of 1267 🔗

appears to be working very well
For a death-jab!

449867 ▶▶▶ merlin, replying to FerdIII, 5, #581 of 1267 🔗

Those 15k should never have been jabbed . I would like to hear a doctor demonstrate the benefit of an experimental jab to someone who they know with high confidence is in their last 12 months of their natural life. Most of these couldn’t even make it to their second dose.

449866 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Major Panic, 2, #582 of 1267 🔗

A significant drop in recent weeks in deaths with or from covid in England and Wales in the over 80s.

And a slight drop in relative terms in deaths with or from covid in the last few weeks, but it isn’t that much of a drop.

449898 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 3, #583 of 1267 🔗

And all cause mortality in the over 85s (have to use different age categories because of historical data issues) has dropped in relative terms in the past few weeks. Need to look carefully at the very right of the graph to see that.

But that’s what happens around every February as we head out of Winter (see early 2015 and 2018).

So looks like vaccination may have had no effect at all on all cause mortality in the over 80s/over85s (once immediate post vaccination deaths have disappeared out of the figures in these groups) but have removed the covid label from some of these deaths.

Preventing your death being labelled as covid is meaningless of course if you still die at the same time without the label.

Claims of vaccination success seem to be based around

a) ignoring the deaths that seem to be caused by the vaccine in the most vulnerable groups in the few weeks after vaccination
b) exaggerating how effective vaccines are at removing the label and
c) ignoring that removing the label is meaningless without preventing the death also.

So when PHE claim that “since January, protection against symptomatic COVID, 4 weeks after the first dose, ranged between 57 and 61% for one dose of Pfizer and between 60 and 73% for the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine claim” they

a) ignore the deaths in the weeks after vaccination
b) exaggerate the 57%, 61% etc figures (I’ve explained in an earlier post how they seem to be doing that) and
c) ignore that removing the label is meaningless if the death isn’t prevented

450347 ▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Freecumbria, #584 of 1267 🔗

Meaningless, there is no test for Covid.

449921 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, 6, #585 of 1267 🔗

There was a spike in over 80s deaths after the rollout. Whatever the reason, it was inevitable there would be a sharp decline later.

449835 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #586 of 1267 🔗

Guardian today starting to follow the vaccine money.
Note, sold not-for-profit until the Pandemic comes to an end..

449841 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 8, #587 of 1267 🔗

I’ll make the point I have made previously – to arrive at a “profit” you need to know your cost and I would argue that Big Pharma can allocate costs to the “vaccine” cost centre that absent COVID, would have been shared out across all other product lines. This has the effect of showing no profit on the “vaccine” line when looked at in isolation, but when looked at a whole company level, profits are being made.

449846 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #588 of 1267 🔗

Precisely. This is exactly what large corporations do. They find ways hide or minimise profits in order to avoid corporation tax. I take no pleasure in admitting that I’ve helped implement several schemes at blue chip companies to do exactly that.

449848 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to leggy, 2, #589 of 1267 🔗

They don’t need to hide it, I suspect this year’s R&D bill will be massive.

449865 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to A Heretic, 3, #590 of 1267 🔗

In the case of Moderna, they already had the product – they just needed an income line to offset the sunk costs against and COVID has done that for them.

450027 ▶▶ silverbirch, replying to karenovirus, #591 of 1267 🔗

not for profit means nothing. Pay high enough salaries and there is no ‘profit’. All part of the con

449862 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 61, #592 of 1267 🔗

Bro’s picked up all the Vaccination center signage Friday morning and moved it five to six miles out of the area leading to an industrial estate, should cause some confusion till it’s rumbled.

449900 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 8, #593 of 1267 🔗

Always make us smile Mr R. Somebody give this guy a medal 🙂

449907 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 18, #594 of 1267 🔗

Bruce, you and your Bro’s deserve bloody medals. You are the heroes in all this shit.

449923 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 13, #595 of 1267 🔗

I 💕 you and your Bros.

449965 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Annie, 6, #596 of 1267 🔗

As Donald Trump would say “I love you too”.

449930 ▶▶ dhid, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 11, #597 of 1267 🔗

Bruce your Bro’s are, to coin a phrase, “very naughty boys!” and, although I’ve never met them, I like them!

450055 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 5, #598 of 1267 🔗

can we nominate you and the bros for the new year’s honours list for your outstanding contribution to society!! 🙂

450331 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #599 of 1267 🔗

Top notch to the Bro’s!

450426 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 1, #600 of 1267 🔗

LOL – we are the Resistance. If it’s good enough for the Resistance in 2nd World War France = it’s good enough for us.

449871 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 71, #601 of 1267 🔗

I’m writing this with tears streaming down my face.

Yesterday I sent my mum the video interview of Reiner Fuellmich with that American guy (sorry can’t think of his name). Because I thought it the most rational, reasoned, sensible explanation as to what is going on. I sent it because, although it doesn’t mention the snake oil, it would open her mind to the possibility that things are not what she believes as a sheep. I planned on using it as a platform to ask her and my dad not to have the second jab.

What a fucking idiot I am.

The conversation went like this.
Me: Did you watch the video.?
Her: Yes
Me: What are your thoughts.
Her: It’s an interesting theory.
Me: Mum, it’s not a theory, he’s a lawyer.
Her: Exactly, what qualifications does he have to say it’s just seasonal flu.
Me (now in real disbelief): He’s a lawyer, he didn’t just say it, he has had hours of interviews, statement from scientists and experts.
Her: How do you know,
Me: Because there are over 8000 minutes of videos and interviews on his website, I spent 6 and a half hours watching his live stream yesterday of him and his colleagues interviewing scientists and doctors
Her (with venom): Well you need to get out more

At this point I lost it. I swore at her, saying I was trying to save her f*!king life, that she needs to see what’s happening, that I didn’t want her to have the second vaccine because it was going to f*!king kill her.

Then I hung up. I’ve blocked them both on my phone. That’s it for me. I’ve tried and tried. They deserve everything they get (and she has a auto immune disease).

But it doesn’t stop it hurting. Why are we so alone? Why do so many not see what we see? I’ve managed to wake my partner up to this, mostly because of Reiner Fuellmichs interviews but mention it to anyone else and the vitriol and anger and hatred slammed back at you…..

These people have known me for many many years. I am not stupid, I am not someone who has spouted conspiracy theories in the past, I was not anti-vax. I used to be responsible for the lives of hundreds of people in my planes every day.

Why do even my parents treated me as though I am a silly little girl who has lost her mind?

449878 ▶▶ merlin, replying to Redundant Pilot, 25, #602 of 1267 🔗

I have been through similar with close family. The main thing is that you have given selfless good advice. Now move on, don’t waste anymore energy. People must wake up in their own time.

449894 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to merlin, 10, #603 of 1267 🔗

I will Merlin, I’m not speaking to them again, they are not worth it.

449978 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #604 of 1267 🔗

I’m coming to that point with my family as well, to the extent that I am on the verge of moving house and not leaving a forwarding address. The property I have in mind is also one that is rentable such that if vaccine passports become the norm to work/go shopping, I can decamp to a rural property (cheaper) and rent out the urban property, thereby providing an income.

450078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #605 of 1267 🔗

I keep thinking of doing the same thing. Ditch them all and go find somewhere incredibly remote, off grid and be a hermit. Fuck the lot of them.

449879 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Redundant Pilot, 15, #606 of 1267 🔗

They are blinded, RP. It’s as simple as that. Won’t see your point, but won’t even look at or believe the proof. Everyone that says you (we) are wrong is someone who hasn’t looked at a single fact. They are lost, I’m afraid.

449893 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #607 of 1267 🔗

They are all lost. You are right.

449911 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Redundant Pilot, 10, #608 of 1267 🔗

I wouldn’t be so sure. When I was learning to fly my flying instructor said to me, you are never lost, you are temporarily uncertain of your position.

449957 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Biggles, 5, #609 of 1267 🔗

Think I used that excuse every day at work 🙂

450048 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Biggles, 3, #610 of 1267 🔗

Or the other one “I’m not lost, I know exactly where I am. iI’s just not where I’m supposed to be”.

450143 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #611 of 1267 🔗

Occasionally when out walking if I’m looking at a map some local person might ask “Are you lost?” They haven’t grasped that the main purpose of a map is not to find out where you are but to help you decide where to go next.

450305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Biggles, 1, #612 of 1267 🔗

My phrase in the Scottish hills is ‘temporarily discombombulated.

449882 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Redundant Pilot, 19, #613 of 1267 🔗

Your Mum said:

“Well, you need to get out more”

Incitement to undermine the lockdown.

Snitch on her.

449891 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to rockoman, 11, #614 of 1267 🔗

That made me smile.

449886 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Redundant Pilot, 32, #615 of 1267 🔗

I’m so sorry, and I completely understand what you’re going through, as I’ve been having similar discussions with my dad (a retired surgeon) for the past year. It’s the dismissive way they just automatically assume that we have nothing valid to say. The lack of trust is very hurtful. I’ve now resolved never to discuss the subject with my dad – it makes for very superficial short discussions about the weather, but that seems better than us both getting upset. As you say, you’ve done everything you can. I sent my dad a complete printout of the latest Swiss Research Policy updates – pointless. A lot of people have been brainwashed by the government messages and the mainstream media. Perhaps (hopefully) one day they will realise what’s really going on. But until then, we just have to let go and focus on what we can do, rather than try and persuade others, particularly family and friends, of what the true story is. Some people, possibly most, just aren’t ready to face the possibility that our government is lying to us. But you’re not alone – whilst I feel like i’ve lost my family and most of my friends, I have found many more like-minded souls, and they are my family now.

449888 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Quernus, 10, #616 of 1267 🔗

Thank you. You are right, thank god we have each other.

449908 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Quernus, 18, #617 of 1267 🔗

Totally get this. I am starting to recover a bit from this wounded feeling and very much more grounded in my assertions but some relationships will never recover.

Architects for Social Housing have now deliberately included a section in their reports which is comments from readers to help others know they’re not alone in these feelings of isolation.
They said: I have included an appendix of readers’ comments on the articles in this latest collection. I do this partly to try to convince any publisher with the courage to print them that there is a large audience for analysis of what is being done under the cloak of the coronavirus crisis. But, in addition, these comments show that many readers have been isolated by their convictions, even from their family and closest friends; and I hope this appendix will help show to each other just how many of us do not believe the blatant and crude lies we are being told, and are committed to resisting the prison that is being built around, between and within us. It is my conviction — and also my hope — that individual acts of civil disobedience to the regulations, programmes and technologies of the UK biosecurity state, repeated without fear by tens of millions of citizens across the UK, will collectively win the civil war we’re beginning to realise has been declared against us.

449944 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Mic67, 7, #618 of 1267 🔗

Thanks for this Mic67, I’m going to have a look. You guys here are a wonderful support too, so thank you everyone.

450074 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Quernus, 7, #619 of 1267 🔗

I seriously wonder if they have been brainwashed by something in some way that we haven’t – more than just by the fear porn propagated by the MSM. Did they eat something we didn’t? Did the see the pretty green lights in the sky (aka Day of the Triffids), or…. I saw something recently which I thought was interesting but not necessarily credible at the time – have they had something inserted into them via Covid testing, or maybe some other medical treatment, that has somehow made them impervious to reason, logic and common sense?

Really sorry to read the above, RP (I think I’ve replied to the wrong post!) – I am going through a very difficult time with husband for the same reason, but at least my parents and sister are full on sceptics. I have lost a lot of friends though – more because I cannot be bothered with them any more, can’t bear their hysteria and stupidity.

450079 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #620 of 1267 🔗

Me neither HB. My best friend texted for a chat the other day and I’ve ignored her, because I know the conversation will be about the jab, why have I not had it, lecture, lecture, lecture, blah, blah, blah.

im not interested anymore. I can’t bear their hysteria and stupidity either. If I hear one more person say ‘during this pandemic’ I will kill them 🤬

449889 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Redundant Pilot, 31, #621 of 1267 🔗

“Why do even my parents treated me as though I am a silly little girl who has lost her mind?”

Because the alternative is to admit they have been fooled for a year . – conditioned like rats in a maze.

449954 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to rockoman, 8, #622 of 1267 🔗

I just hope that they all get smacked in the face with this fact sooner rather than later because they bloody deserve it.

449983 ▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Redundant Pilot, 4, #623 of 1267 🔗

unfortunately what will smack them in the face will be their deaths, induced by the ‘vaccine’, and even then in most cases they probably still won’t recognise the truth of what’s been done to them

450006 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to JaneHarry, #624 of 1267 🔗

Nope, that will of course just be a “coincidence “

450104 ▶▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to JaneHarry, #625 of 1267 🔗

The reason I like your prose is that they are honest & final, it never leaves any room for confusion, just short honest & descriptive. It’s refreshing, you just say what you, mean what you say no pretense.

I like honesty 🙂

449895 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Redundant Pilot, 13, #626 of 1267 🔗

Unblock your phone. Talk to them but never talk about lockdowns, covid or vaccines. If they mention it just say you are no interested and change the topic.

Parents are sometimes so frustrating with regards to health, they rather listen to the doctors, and you can see how they deteriorate. Sadly you can’t save them

449897 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Victoria, 3, #627 of 1267 🔗

Thank you Victoria but I’m afraid I can’t. Maybe in the future but not for now.

449952 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Victoria, 9, #628 of 1267 🔗

Really tough one Redundant Pilot. Good advice from Victoria. At some level you have to accept that it’s your mum’s decision even if she has been brainwashed into having the experimental vaccine.

My mum has turned down the experimental vaccine. She got another letter last week from the NHS saying they’ve been trying to contact her to coerce her into vaccination but sounds from that letter like they aren’t going to write to her again.

My sister has been trying to pressurise my mum into having the vaccine. She also tried to get my mum to reduce her 2000IU per day of vitamin D to 300IU a day, don’t ask. My sister means well, but well meaning people who can’t think for themselves, can be very dangerous to others. My mum then rings me. I explain its her choice but if she wants my advice it’s a very sensible decision not to have the vaccine, and that’s what she wants to hear. She is still taking the 2000IU of vitamin D and don’t see her being easily coerced into the experimental vaccine. I talk to my mum every day so I’m ready to intervene if anybody tries to take away her informed choice not to have the vaccine.

449962 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Freecumbria, 7, #629 of 1267 🔗

Thanks Freecumbria. I think I need to step away from them for now. I have a similar problem with them and my brother & SIL. They are in Florida, she is a doctor. So everything they say (which as a previous thread here talking about the intelligence of doctors proves) is taken to heart even though it’s total bollocks (the SIL once proclaimed that covid was killing whole families).

maybe I will open the door to them, but I think it won’t be for a very long while.

449896 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Redundant Pilot, 5, #630 of 1267 🔗

Very sorry to hear this RP. That must hurt. I’m trying to avoid family & friendships similarly fracturing, so I can certainly empathize. Hang in there we will get there. easier said than done sometimes, I know.

449899 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #631 of 1267 🔗

Thanks SH

449909 ▶▶ VickyA, replying to Redundant Pilot, 11, #632 of 1267 🔗

I am so sorry. But you did your best. I tried to talk about it with my mother some 20 years ago. I was getting somewhere when she declined the flu vac. But now she has succumbed to the peer pressure. My cousin triumphantly texted me her vac dates this morning (like I am interested), and as I can’t be positive and I have already stated my position of extreme caution to her, I chose not to reply. They have had years of being told vacs are life savers. Mass media and medical brainwashing
They are not if you look at the data. They are tools of sickness and depopulation. But whatever happens you can stand tall and stay with a good conscience. That’s all you can do now.

449936 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to VickyA, 4, #633 of 1267 🔗

Thank you VA. It helps to know, even though it’s sad, that so many of you are in the exact same position. We can stand tall. And we should.

449914 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Redundant Pilot, 13, #634 of 1267 🔗

Keep Calm. Very few people are immediately persuaded by an argument – particularly if it involves a complete U-turn, Her final “need to get out more” comment suggests she has nothing to refute your case. Let her think on things for a bit.

449929 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Mayo, 1, #635 of 1267 🔗

Thanks Mayo

449916 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Redundant Pilot, 18, #636 of 1267 🔗

Don’t cry.
You just have to let them go their own way. You’ve done your best. They are adults.
Leave them to themselves until after the bollox ends. Then, if they’re still alive, get back in touch. If not – you did your best.

449928 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Annie, 3, #637 of 1267 🔗

Thanks Annie, that’s what I’m going to do now, I’ve tried. That’s it now, they can save themselves, or not.

449919 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #638 of 1267 🔗

Don’t blame your parents or yourself, they’ve had to use it politely “The best psychological brainwashing inflicted on them that money can buy” Hundreds of hours of it. We are all victims of this evil crime to humanity. May by show them this

449950 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Andrew K, #639 of 1267 🔗

Thanks AK

449920 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Redundant Pilot, 8, #640 of 1267 🔗

I really feel for you. My young daughter has had a jab and i am finding it hard to say to her not to have any more. Most of the people around me wont listen to any sense, but i have a new sceptic friend, so we must concentrate on the positive things. Watched “after skool” video on youtube last night about Aldous Huxley and its amazing how psychological manipulation has been around for a long time., and how easy people are brainwashed.
we are in a war it seems, but those of us prepared to stick our head above the parapet are on the winning side.

449949 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to pub with no beer, 6, #641 of 1267 🔗

I hope you are right. We have to be the ones to win!

449922 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #642 of 1267 🔗

Sorry to read this. I’m in the same boat with my folks, despite jab 1 making them both ill, they’re still up for jab 2. Auntie Beeb knows best apparently.

Don’t turn your back on them though, infuriating as it is, it’s incredibly hard to undo the brainwashing.

449947 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to leggy, 3, #643 of 1267 🔗

It’s shocking how many have be brainwashed isn’t it. Thanks leggy.

449977 ▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #644 of 1267 🔗

Please don’t blame yourself, you tried your best. Its the lying govt and fearmongering msm that are to blame.

450004 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to straightalkingyorkshireman, #645 of 1267 🔗

Thanks Yorkshireman.

449984 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Redundant Pilot, 5, #646 of 1267 🔗

So sorry to hear that. My wife and I are both card-carrying scientists of long standing and can see right through some of the hype. But can we convince our children? No is the answer; they have been so brainwashed by the BBC,MSM and government messaging that they reject our thoughts entirely. So it’s certainly not just you!

I think that Mayo offers good advice, keep calm. And difficult though it may be, I think that it’s important to maintain some sort of family dialogue. So my wife and I have a tacit agreement with our children to keep in touch but not mention the jab etc. Hopefully as time goes on they will be more receptive, but it will doubtless have to come from within rather than without.

As you can tell RP, you have a lot of support here. Take care!

450003 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to isobar, 3, #647 of 1267 🔗

Thanks isobar, that means a lot to me. It’s unbelievable that even guys like you are not believed by their own children. When this all comes out there will be huge fallout when all these people realise the depth of their deception.

449985 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #648 of 1267 🔗

Sorry you have to go through this.
I am very much in the same situation, just have not talked in such detail to my parents about it as you have. But I had the same comment from my mother.
I have now not talked to my parents in 5 weeks, as there is nothing to talk about. They have not much of a life as the state has forbidden it, I have lost my job and sit at home watching YT and reading LDS.
I haven’t watched all 6.5 hrs of yesterdays meeting yet, but will do over the weekend.
My sister, when I pointed out to her I cannot believe she as a traditional medicine sceptic and vaccine sceptic is not doing any research, replied well, who do I believe? Well, she believes her homeothapath! How did you decide to believe him and not your GP?

What did you think of the last speaker, the guy dealing with biological weapons? I though Reiner handled him quite well. Interesting theories, but a bit too much down the rabbit hole.

449998 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Silke David, 5, #649 of 1267 🔗

My partner and I thought Reiner handled that guy brilliantly. He was obviously far far too down the rabbit hole and certainly not someone you would put on stand in the courtroom. Also he had no idea of the real data, saying covid was dangerous and even more contagious than SARS. Totally didn’t listen to the other sane expert.

but the way Reiner dealt with him, leaving him with respect, spoke volumes. Reiner I hope will be our hero in all this.

oh, and just to let you know so you won’t have to sit for all of the 6hours and 40min, a lot of it is in German with no subtitles. So I forwarded on until I heard some English (the Spanish doctor speaks in English).

450010 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Redundant Pilot, #650 of 1267 🔗

I am German, actually do not like watching it when Reiner has to translate from English.

450080 ▶▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Silke David, 2, #651 of 1267 🔗

Oh I wish you could do a transcript for us. I long to know what is being said during the German interviews, I really wish there were subtitles!

Maybe you could post a summary of what is said? It would be so good if you could but understand listening for 6+ hours is a lot to ask!

450000 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Redundant Pilot, 6, #652 of 1267 🔗

I know how painful this is but PLEASE remember you are not alone. I cannot tell you how many conversations I’ve had with young people who’ve been through exactly this and worse. Your parents have been subjected to military grade brainwashing. You must not blame them. If you can work through your anger and frustration, try to unblock them and give them love. Treat them like children who will not accept that Santa Claus is not real, who cry and scream if you tell them the tooth fairy is made up. Your parents literally CANNOT “take the red pill” (watch the Matrix – it’s where these villains got half their ideas!) They are shooting the messenger because it is MORE frightening to them to accept they’ve been attacked by their government than to believe you are a “silly little girl”. THEY are the victims here. Pat them on the arm and say you agree to disagree and you’ll see them when they feel “safe”. The second shot is unlikely to kill them immediately. While the whole thing is unethical, not everyone will die right away. A few years down the line, maybe, but not right away. It’s like smoking or experimental drug. Except it’s reversed here… with the young telling the elderly not to be so reckless with their health!! Nothing we can do. Try to work through it. This, too, shall pass.

450009 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #653 of 1267 🔗

Thanks CNC. You of course are right and speak total sense. I am going to leave it a while, and then just wait. I believe they will die a lot sooner than they would have, both despite my mums condition are very active and healthy. But I expect now, this will rapidly decline.

Im longing for the day when all the covidians suddenly see the truth.

450011 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 7, #654 of 1267 🔗

It is so hard for us who are trying to take a stand. I have been thinking about this too. Most around me 50 and over have now had their vaccines and many of my younger friends have said they will just get it to live a normal life. So I have wondered why I can’t just be pragmatic and take the easy road. I don’t know the answer but I can’t. I will now just stick to the people who will accept I haven’t had the vaccine and it doesn’t bother them. The others I will avoid or ditch.

It is particularly painful when it is your family. I too am in this situation. My sister has completely swallowed the line that everyone has covid all of the time but having been allowed into our fathers care home as he is on end of life care and seeing me have 6 lateral flow tests all negative I think she is challenging her own silliness and has begun to think about things differently. She had the vaccine because she swallowed the line it will protect other people but she now regrets this decision.

450084 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to wendy, 9, #655 of 1267 🔗

I think the same Wendy. I keep looking at myself and ask why can’t I just go along with it. But like you, I can’t and I won’t. I’d actually rather die than submit to the tyranny of this country. I don’t know why I feel so strongly about this. I don’t know why this has become so important to me that friends and family who treat me like a moron have become irrelevant. But this means everything. What is happening right now is World War III yet the sheep don’t realise it. The enemy are our own governments, the police, the media. All being run by the elites, for their own ends. Whatever they maybe.

I hope that one day, we all will be the last ones standing. The ones that didn’t succumb to the jab and therefore survived. We will be free and we will be right, and the rest of them can go to hell.

450067 ▶▶ penelope pitstop, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #656 of 1267 🔗

Sorry to hear this RP – very distressing. I had similar with my brother a couple of weeks ago but he still had the vax. As we all know on here and said umpteen times that to change peoples’ mind to even consider going against the government and msm narrative is well nigh impossible – after all if it’s on the bbc then it must be true!
I have no additional advice over the wise words already given , but give it time to blow over and settle and see in future if can pick up the pieces again and avoid the entire topic – it seems the only way for family relationships to survive by ignoring the elephant in the room (so to speak!)
Have a drink or two tonight and try not to dwell on it (though hard not to)

450077 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to penelope pitstop, #657 of 1267 🔗

Thanks PP your thoughts are much appreciated.

450151 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #658 of 1267 🔗

So sorry to hear that Redudant Pilot. Like many of us on here I’ve been through similar with my own parents. I was both very upset and very angry when they took the ‘vaccine’ despite having seen all the facts and videos I’d spent hours compiling about side effects and lack of efficacy. I was almost tempted to wash my hands of them but then I calmed down and realised they have been brain-washed. They, along with millions of other folk, are no longer the people they once were. My dad was always very intelligent, slightly eccentic, always one to go against the crowd, but he follows the propaganda slavishly ignoring facts and logic. My mum was the most scrupulously honest and open person I’ve ever met but she sneaked off to have the vax without telling me in case I ‘kicked off’ about it. Now I completely avoid all talk of vaccines or lockdown with them and it’s not so bad. I hope you can reach a similar state with your own parents. It is heartbreaking to accept – but I think the relationships we have with them will never be quite the same as they once were.

450214 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #659 of 1267 🔗

It may not help but been through worse with my family.

You can choose your friends but cannot shoose your family and my few close friends have been closer to em than any family member.

Slowly (20+ years) and it is improving though a little bit and I am being proved correct in what the original argument was about.

Be strong and don’t hold a grudge. Leave the door ajar so they can make contact if they want.

I will guess when you say “I am a silly little girl” you are female so here’s a non-PC joke but it might make you laugh:

Q – why is it OK for females to be pilots?

A -Because someone else does the reversing.

Hey – did tell you it was non-PC but that’s me.

Did you laugh though?

450607 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Awkward Git, #660 of 1267 🔗

Do you know what AG…..I did laugh ☺️ Thank you

449872 Smelly Melly, 6, #661 of 1267 🔗

Anybody know how Lockdown Hotels are going? Like most things there’s a great showing on the MSM then it goes quiet.

At the moment the MSM appear to be all Gringe and Cringe, is anybody interested in them?

449873 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #662 of 1267 🔗

Fertility warning: 34 cases of spontaneous miscarriage and stillbirth reported after experimental mRNA vaccines

449904 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Victoria, 7, #663 of 1267 🔗

I’ve seen the excuse the evil bastards make for this, well many women miscarriage anyway. It’s normal. So every death after vaccine is normal, every death with a dodgy PCR test is covid.

450035 ▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Andrew K, 3, #664 of 1267 🔗

Why are pregnant women taking the jab?! Surely there cannot be very many of them who have so 34 spontaneous miscarriages and stillbirths must be a high percentage.

449955 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Victoria, 6, #665 of 1267 🔗

Also now recommended that women don’t have mammograms (I’d say don’t have them anyway!) for 2 weeks after the monkey gunk as there have been many cases of swollen lymph nodes which can complicate diagnosis.

450024 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Mutineer, 1, #666 of 1267 🔗

What mammograms? They have been “paused” (at least the routine ones).

450039 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Victoria, 1, #667 of 1267 🔗

Would be interesting to know how many pregnant women have been jabbed. If it’s only 34…

449874 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 12, #668 of 1267 🔗

Is anyone else watching the European Indoor Athletics Championship? I just saw an athlete wearing a mask while running the hurdles WHAT IS THIS NEW MADNESS???

449892 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to mattghg, 2, #669 of 1267 🔗

Hope he’s not expecting to get a PB.

449915 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 6, #670 of 1267 🔗

Oh he might get a PB alright. Potential Bacterialinfection?!

449953 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #671 of 1267 🔗

She actually won her heat. It’ll be interesting to see if she keeps it for the final.

449974 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to mattghg, 3, #672 of 1267 🔗

O.O Was it a socially distanced heat with only one runner in it?

449877 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 2, #673 of 1267 🔗

How do I recommend a song for the list? Mine is Lives in the Balance, Richie Havens.
Lives in the Balance – YouTube

449945 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mic67, #674 of 1267 🔗
449948 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Mic67, 1, #675 of 1267 🔗

Jackson’s ‘Before the Deluge’ is also very fitting for these times.


449883 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 12, #676 of 1267 🔗

This past week I’ve been thinking about germ theory and how it tells us what causes infections but nothing about who will get infected.
As we all know the vaccine won’t protect us from getting infected or prevent us passing it on to others. But was wondering what affect the vaccine will have on death rates. I have no figures for the UK but I have the figures for York where I live. So here goes on Sep 14th we had 170 deaths from covid which increased to 191 on Dec 14th when vaccination began. Since then deaths have increased to 363 in other words before vaccination deaths from covid increased by 12% in the 3 months prior and 90% afterwards. This does not mean vaccines increase deaths but it does mean they won’t improve your health or reduce your risk of death. When you take into consideration that 99% of people who die from covid have really bad health problems there’s no wonder people are dying. So instead of forcing us all to have vaccines why isn’t the government doing something about bad health?
I know it took them fifty years to deal with smoking even though it was known to increase your chances of lung cancer 16 times more than a non smoker. We know that obesity increases your chance of death or lack of exercise worsens health problems,these and many others should be tackled before vaccination. As I’ve come to realise the government is not really interested in health but in helping big business to profit from ill health.

449903 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #677 of 1267 🔗

You believe in ‘Covid deaths’? Wow!

449961 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Bungle, #678 of 1267 🔗

No need for sarcasm but if 99% of covid deaths are to people who have health problems why not tackle that. I believe vaccines are just an illusion and I wonder why no one is talking about I’ll health. Mind you if people like you criticise how is anything ever going to change.

450101 ▶▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Derek Toyne, #679 of 1267 🔗

Exactly science is about exploration.

449964 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bungle, #680 of 1267 🔗

Hun, that’s not a prerequisite for posting on this site. You don’t have to believe that all deaths the government calls covid deaths are actually the result of the rona to think that *some* people could die from it. Just not in the numbers we’ve been presented.

449963 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #681 of 1267 🔗

363 ”covid deaths’ in York – population 250 000 – being generous

7 ‘covid deaths’ in Shanghai – population 24 000 000

Shanghai 96 times more people than York.

York 52 times more ‘covid deaths’ than Shanghai.

Therefore York death rate approx. 5000 times that of Shanghai.

Shanghai – no restritions on travel with Wuhan for 2 months until January 2020. Thereafter lockdown for 3 weeks.

York – in lockdown for 11 months.

449981 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to rockoman, 2, #682 of 1267 🔗

Almost as if long term lockdown might be bad for people…

450012 ▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to rockoman, #683 of 1267 🔗

I really don’t believe figures coming out of China but I don’t believe our figures either believing most of our deaths are due to bad health. I also think covid is endemic in China and that is why deaths are so low there as well as most of the Far East.

449885 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 11, #684 of 1267 🔗

Regarding the woke gobbledegook section on the US military today….

450099 ▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #685 of 1267 🔗

They got that the wrong way round shouldn’t the labels be on the missiles?

449901 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 6, #686 of 1267 🔗

There’s a Royal Statistical Society. Wow, that has to be the world’s dullest AGM. Anyway… if any organisation with Royal in its title is publishing sceptical papers complaining that testing in schools will be harmful because of the level of false positives, that has to be good.

449997 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 3, #687 of 1267 🔗

Try the Accounting History Special Interest Group : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting_History

Notwithstanding that I am an accountant with an interest in history, this is one group I will not be joining.

450155 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #688 of 1267 🔗

Don’t know if it still exists, but there used to be a National Women’s Total Abstinence Society. Their meetings must have been a lot of fun, sitting around determinedly not drinking.

449905 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 18, #689 of 1267 🔗

Golf legend Jack Nicklaus casts doubt on coronavirus death coun t

449927 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Victoria, 5, #690 of 1267 🔗

What a dangerous individual spreading misinformation about the effectiveness of HCQ, get Marianna on the case!

449935 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to dpj, 12, #691 of 1267 🔗

interesting article in more ways than one – the press might well go after an Ian Brown, they will go after Morrissey. They will never ever go after The Golden Bear. Might well get a few more people questioning.

449940 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, 11, #692 of 1267 🔗


“( Natural News ) Golf legend Jack Nicklaus once shared a story about two people he knows whose parents died from something other than the coronavirus (COVID-19). According to Nicklaus, they were asked if the cause of death of their parents could be changed to COVID-19 . They declined.
“The hospital gets more money with COVID death than they do another death. I’m sure there’s been a lot of that,” said Nicklaus, an 18-time major championship winner. “I don’t think the deaths are a correct number. I hate to say that.”


Worth reading in full.

449975 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Victoria, 6, #693 of 1267 🔗

Hole in one Jack.

449912 Victoria, 28, #694 of 1267 🔗

As George R. R. Martin once said, “When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”

449913 leggy, replying to leggy, 39, #695 of 1267 🔗

Another friend posting about their jab on social media. In their 40s, no health conditions that I’m aware of. I thought the comments were of interest – starts with:

Anyone else had their Covid vaccine and been really ill? Had mine Thursday and I’ve been bed ridden with flu for 2 days. Fcuking horrible.


Had mine then three weeks later caught COVID!

Yeah my mum’s been kind of ill for 5 days now..headache, temperature , and really tired.

I had these side effects for about 2 days or so. Had oxford jab on a Thursday afternoon then started feeling a bit flu like 24 hours after on Fri afternoon then was a bit ill on the sat and was fine by late Sunday. Its means the vaccine is working

Shouldn’t make u ill as not a live vaccine x

I had these side effects for about 2 days or so. Had oxford jab on a Thursday afternoon then started feeling a bit flu like 24 hours after on Fri afternoon then was a bit ill on the sat and was fine by late Sunday. Its means the vaccine is working

AstraZeneca here, first shot, extreme fatigue and chills. That’s about it! Don’t worry. It will pass. Better than that new covid strain that is floating around UK right now.

Interesting isn’t it. I’m still of the opinion that I’ll take my chances with the virus.

449931 ▶▶ merlin, replying to leggy, 7, #696 of 1267 🔗

I bet they are excited and looking forward to the second dose

449942 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to leggy, 23, #697 of 1267 🔗

Bet they’re not reporting the side effects either – “it’s worth it to avoid catching the rona”. I had dinner with three friends last night, all three of whom have gladly been jabbed, but disagree with the lockdowns. One of them had a sore arm that has continued for nearly a month. Hasn’t reported it – “it’s minor, so what’s the point?”. They don’t seem to grasp this these “vaccines” are still in the expermental stages – I do try and say that by reporting post-vaccine symptoms, they’ll be helping to improve it, but it tends to land on deaf ears.

449968 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Quernus, 13, #698 of 1267 🔗

I should probably point out that as this is still in the experimental stage they should report the side effects. It’ll likely fall on deaf ears though. There must be hundreds of thousands of reactions not being reported.

450013 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to leggy, 3, #699 of 1267 🔗

I heard that possibly only one per cent of all reactions have been reported via the yellow card. One per cent!

450017 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Banjones, 1, #700 of 1267 🔗

1% seems low, but that wouldn’t surprise me. I guess we’ll never know. One can’t report on what is not reported.

450046 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to leggy, 1, #701 of 1267 🔗

I rememebr reading somewhere the CDC estimate only 1-3% of adverse reactions are reported so it is ballpark.

450110 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Banjones, #702 of 1267 🔗

That figure refers to VAERS in USA (CDC). But read a paper on the Yellow Card reporting system and it suggested 85-95% non-reporting. And only 8.5% of people were aware of the YC’s existence – so they rely on healthcare professionals.

449943 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to leggy, 21, #703 of 1267 🔗

In my opinion the reactions to the jab are their bodies trying to tell them ” It’s Poison , Get It Out , Get It Out , Get It Out ” .

450098 ▶▶▶ Anti_socialist, replying to Christopher, 3, #704 of 1267 🔗

Of course, it is why they use adjuvants in vaccines to aggravate the immune system to respond, its why traditional vaccines have ingredients like aluminium in them, the body knows they’re alien to your body & have no place being there.

449976 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to leggy, 7, #705 of 1267 🔗

“Better than that the thousands of new covid strains that is have been floating around UK right now for ages.”

Fixed that.

449994 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to leggy, 6, #706 of 1267 🔗

The calibre of reasoning is truly frightening. It’s all based on irrational fear. All of it.

450016 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #707 of 1267 🔗

Yes – they really DO seem to believe that if they contract the ‘virus’ they’ll die. I’m almost sure that my neighbours suffered it last April – they were a bit poorly, enough to take to their beds. But they don’t believe they did because they recovered – and I’m sure they still think that to catch it is to die!

(Incidentally, he had his jab and was very poorly indeed for several days – and no, he didn’t report it. He didn’t even know about the yellow card. Just one of the 99 per cent who haven’t bothered.)

450015 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to leggy, 8, #708 of 1267 🔗

My friend, early 40’s, had her jab middle of January. She’s a care worker so decided to have it. A week after she had the jab she got a chest infection and isn’t any better now four weeks later.

I’m the only one of my group of friends that hasn’t had the jab!

450019 ▶▶▶ silverbirch, replying to Lydia, #709 of 1267 🔗

In Canada they are refusing to give the AZ injection to the over 35’s. They are the only at risk group?!

449934 John001, replying to John001, 7, #710 of 1267 🔗

I just tried to fill in the consultation on digital IDs, deadline 11/3/21.

After answering less than half and completing a question near or at the end, I tried to go back and was told basically ‘you cannot do that as your questionnaire has been submitted’. Bastards. I’d only completed half of what I intended to.

In other words, the Whitehall mentality already is that we’re a herd of sheep, soon to be electronically-tagged. From what I read, the consultation is largely a box-ticking sham, & many/most decisions have already been made.

450153 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to John001, #711 of 1267 🔗

Consultation is just a fig leaf for something they have already decided.TFL have practiced this for years in London.

449973 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 25, #712 of 1267 🔗

Just reflecting today. I still don’t know anyone who has had covid 19 that was more serious than a bit of a sniffle, let alone anyone who has died from it. But I have lots of friends and family who have had the jab and have suffered side effects to a greater or lesser extent.

449992 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Quernus, 5, #713 of 1267 🔗

May as well be a placebo. They now have this made up story in their head that they are now back to normal.

And that is just the first dose. They’ll have a second dose in the coming weeks then boosters, then a new year starts again.

449979 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 11, #714 of 1267 🔗

“The left, 2019:

Facebook are spying on us
Open borders are good
The Tories are authoritarian nationalists

The left, 2020:

Let’s live our entire lives on surveillance tech
Close the borders
The Tories should take away all our civil liberties”

450065 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 5, #715 of 1267 🔗

Such shifts are not unusual for the left.

The left before the late C20th:

Free speech is vital.
End all censorship, even of porn, including gay and child porn.
“I might not like what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

The left now it’s wearing the jackboots:

Hate speech laws.
“you can’t be allowed to question coronapanic or vaccines, it’s dangerous and irresponsible”

The left before the late C20th :

Blacklists, “McCarthyism”, and discriminating on the basis of political opinion are evil and must be punished

The left now it’s wearing the jackboots :

Cancel culture. Hound anyone saying anything offensive, or who has said anything we don’t like in the past, out of a job and make them unemployable. It’s just “making them take responsibility” for their words.

450473 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Mark, 1, #716 of 1267 🔗

I used to think the height of civilisation was the Permissive Societies of the 1970s/80s even into the nineties in some places.

In reality, the best way of preserving liberty is to get the state out of family life, but I think most parents do not want to accept responsibility for their children, hence clamouring to get back to school instead of thinking about community homeschool options.

I call the identity wokeness of the so-called left Soft-shoed Totalitarianism.

These people are totalitarian bastards worse than the Nazis.

They must be treated as such. It only ends when their leaders are in prison.

449986 V, replying to V, 19, #717 of 1267 🔗

On 30th January 2021 the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee interviewed Dr. Vanessa Schmidt-Kruger, a Cell Biologist with over 20 years’ experience in molecular medicine working at the Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine.
I would like to explain a little using the example of the BioNTech (BioNTech) vaccine, focusing on a number of specific points.
The first point is that the BioNTech vaccine that is currently already being used is not highly purified, it contains contaminants of certain components. This is in the EMA’s Open Assessment Report, the Agency that has granted the authorisation to this vaccine. The EMA has written this report, and covers this point.
In the first section on the GMP they have done very good work I would say: they were very critical, asked for subsequent submission of a great deal of scientific evidence, and asked for numerous improvements. They were very critical and granular, and I was impressed with that. But their approach to the second section concerning side effects was in stark contrast to that. They didn’t conduct any critical scrutiny at all, there are lots of side effects that were not discussed at all in public, they also didn’t critically scrutinise what consequences it will have to inject this into people, particularly vulnerable groups who already have certain organ-related complaints, who are especially susceptible to these adverse effects. I’ll go into them in detail at the end.
We know that normally vaccine development takes a very long time . It’s not just the clinical phase: with this vaccine, it’s set at three times two and a half years, i.e., three phases of 2.5 years each plus the evaluation phase, which makes 7 ½ years in total. And then one shouldn’t forget that the production optimisation is also important, at least a year would surely be needed for that. That hasn’t taken place at all. The vaccine is already being sold and used, but the production optimisation isn’t yet by any means completed. And there are considerable deficiencies.
The problem that BioNTech had is that in the clinical phase the product, i.e. the RNA, was produced with completely different techniques to how it is being produced now. During the clinical phase they only needed small volumes of vaccine, they were able to use very expensive techniques that delivered highly purified end products. Now that they have entered mass production, that is no longer possible , they have had to switch to lower-cost processes , e.g. using huge quantities of DNA that functions as the substrate to be able to produce the RNA in an in-vitro transcription reaction.
This is done via bacteria, via the fermentation of transformed bacteria that contain this DNA. The bacteria multiply the DNA in huge amounts, and this leads to new dangers or risks, particularly contamination. At the moment for instance the situation is that the DNA is transformed in the bacteria, it is multiplied, next the bacteria are opened and the DNA is extracted, then it is linearised via enzymes, and after that the linearised DNA undergoes in-vitro transcription to produce the RNA using various procedures.
The EMA Committee made various requirements of the vaccine manufacturer, i.e. BioNTech. The applicant needs to now develop and introduce various analysis processes to ensure that the substrate is free of microbiological contaminants – they probably mean E Coli bacteria for example. There don’t seem to be any processes to ensure or monitor for that. They also need to ensure that all the buffers – those are the solvents that are used – are free of RNAses. RNAses are enzymes that degrade RNA.
If there are any contaminants of these RNAse solvents, then RNA in the vaccine will be degraded and the vaccine won’t have any effect anymore. They also have to analyse how strong the activity of the enzymes is; that is very important because I explained that after that the RNA is transcribed from the DNA and then the DNA has to be eliminated, it is digested by enzymes: by DNAses. And if this DNA is not digested well enough, if residues are left, this harbours risks – I’ll come back to the risks from DNA residues, but the activity of the enzymes has to be monitored well and at the end you need to have a pure RNA without any more DNA. And that is not the case. BioNTech has admitted that there are DNA contaminants.
So it is theoretically possible that this linearised DNA that is in there as a contaminant could integrate into the host’s cell nucleus in a dividing cell, linearised DNA is optimal for integration.
That is the risk. I didn’t really want to get into what can happen if this is the case: genes can be switched on and off, upregulated and downregulated, cancer can develop – there are a lot more possibilities. So this contamination definitely has to be reduced.

450001 ▶▶ V, replying to V, 5, #718 of 1267 🔗

Just as gene therapy finally seems to be living up to its promise, a study has revived a lingering worry about the viral vessel that many efforts rely on to ferry therapeutic genes into patients. This “vector,” a stripped-down version of adeno-associated virus (AAV), was thought to be safe because it rarely knits its cargo of human DNA into a cell’s chromosomes, where it might activate cancer-causing genes.

But a study of dogs with hemophilia, treated with AAV up to 10 years earlier, has shown that the vector can readily insert its payload into the host’s DNA near genes that control cell growth. The new data suggest that by slipping into the chromosomes rather than floating free, the therapeutic DNA might have longer lasting benefits. But the findings are also fueling a long-running debate about whether AAV vectors could pose an unacceptable cancer risk.


450005 ▶▶▶ V, replying to V, 9, #719 of 1267 🔗

As far as government officials know, Jesse’s death on Sept. 17 was the first directly related to gene therapy . The official cause, as listed on the death certificate filed by Raper, was adult respiratory distress syndrome: his lungs shut down. The truth is more complicated. Jesse’s therapy consisted of an infusion of corrective genes, encased in a dose of weakened cold virus, adenovirus , which functioned as what scientists call a vector.

Vectors are like taxicabs that drive healthy DNA into cells; viruses, whose sole purpose is to get inside cells and infect them, make useful vectors. The Penn researchers had tested their vector, at the same dose Jesse got, in mice, monkeys, baboons and one human patient, and had seen expected, flulike side effects, along with some mild liver inflammation, which disappeared on its own.

When Jesse got the vector, he suffered a chain reaction that the testing had not predicted — jaundice, a blood-clotting disorder, kidney failure, lung failure and brain death: in Raper’s words, ”multiple-organ-system failure.” The doctors are still investigating; their current hypothesis is that the adenovirus triggered an overwhelming inflammatory reaction — in essence, an immune-system revolt. What they do not understand yet is why.


450033 ▶▶ merlin, replying to V, 6, #720 of 1267 🔗

So in addition to the experimental nature of the mRNA tech, recipients are also taking extra (unquantifiable) risks due to mass production process compared with those on the trials. How exciting.

449987 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #721 of 1267 🔗

Part of a group in Ireland that includes Ivor Cummins, Dr Anne McCloskey has been a sceptic from the start. She worked in a hospital in Spring awaiting the plague that never arrived.


450008 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 14, #722 of 1267 🔗

It’s clear now that the 100,000 or so deaths were actually part of the average annual figure. The cheating on the death certificates was what did it. Strange how many other diseases had to disappear to make way for the ”covid deaths”. Dementia in the very elderly is just one that seems to have been eradicated.
I shall never forget Johnson gleefully announcing that his target had been reached. (Or it came across as gleeful.)

449991 rockoman, 2, #723 of 1267 🔗

The unfolding global crisis is best understood as the convergence of the dynamics described by Marx, Kafka, Orwell and Huxley. Let’s start with Franz Kafka , the writer (1883-1924) who most eloquently captured the systemic injustices of all-powerful bureaucratic institutions–the alienation experienced by the hapless citizen enmeshed in the bureaucratic web, petty officialdom’s mindless persecutions of the innocent, and the intrinsic absurdity of the centralized State best expressed in this phrase: “We expect errors, not justice.”


Worth reading in full.

449993 Banjones, 9, #724 of 1267 🔗

In more respectful countries they’re referred to as ”seniors”.

449995 Mark, replying to Mark, 15, #725 of 1267 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics Senior Doctor:

Excellent stuff, as usual. But:

Can anyone explain to me why this is a rational position for our parliamentary representatives to adopt?

Of course not. It is in practical terms undeniable that the government response was irrational. Taking drastic emergency action in response to a perceived threat without any cost/benefit assessment whatsoever, when there is time make such an assessment, is the very definition of panic. And a panic response is the very definition of irrational behaviour. If it were rational it would not be panic.

Anyone who denies that the government lockdown responses to covid have been panic responses is a liar, or too ignorant or stupid for his opinions to be taken seriously.

I don’t understand why this is being reported differently in the media

Au contraire, I think you do understand fully that these things are being reported misleadingly: in order to foster fear, in the belief that fear promotes compliance, You just have an understandable but misplaced (in this case) reluctance to be direct in such matters.

450025 ▶▶ V, replying to Mark, #726 of 1267 🔗

With an estimated US $11 billion market in the next 10 years , both clinical trials and pharmaceutical industry are anticipated to benefit immensely from gene therapy.

Gene Therapy Leaves a Vicious Cycle https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fonc.2019.00297/full

Government unlawfully failed to publish details of more than 500 Covid related contracts for public goods or services within the required time, High Court hears

450100 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Mark, 9, #727 of 1267 🔗

I’ve a 45 year career in Threat Assessment and Risk Management, in a sphere where people die very public deaths if we get it wrong. Even if the Threat is completely new (which in this case it wasn’t, that’s why it’s SARS Cov 2!), One does not immediately go into headless chicken mode. Sensible, reversible, steps whilst obtaining more data and info is the time honoured method.

450132 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to eastender53, #728 of 1267 🔗

But then you can’t cement the First Impression on the public making it harder to overcome the scam. Shock politics essentially.

450182 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to eastender53, 1, #729 of 1267 🔗

One does not immediately go into headless chicken mode.

I think it’s clear your experience-based approach is now out of date. In the New Improved Modern World, “headless chicken ” mode is now the first resort of government.

450359 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Mark, 1, #730 of 1267 🔗

Not surprising considering that they were headless chickens to start with.

450014 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 41, #731 of 1267 🔗

I went to Ilkley this morning on the back road from Otley. This road is quieter than the main ‘A’ road which makes it popular among cyclists and runners. I’ve never known as many folk on their bikes and pounding the tarmac as this morning but then again I don’t usually make this journey so early. Great to see so many people about and I had to drive very slowly and carefully.

Nearing Ilkley, on the site of the cricket/sports ground, I saw a ‘mobile testing centre’ which consisted of a van and numerous people milling about in yellow vests and doing their best to look busy. As far as I could ascertain there were NO punters. I arrived at this conclusion on the basis that the ‘yellow vest’ would not be worn by members of the public who were willing to have a prod poked up their nose….only by those who were being paid to stand around on a Saturday morning peddling useless stuff paid for by you and me.

As I drove slowly passed this sad site It crossed my mind to stop and enquire what was going on. What test was on offer? Was it the PCR, (whereby the risk of serious injury by poking a stick within a whisper of your brain is very real) or was it the new Chinese version which, apparently, is thrust up your backside? I don’t know what the side effects might be with the latter but at the very least I would judge it would make your eyes water.

It all gets back to the simple question of course: who in their right mind would get tested for a disease (not proven to exist) when they have no symptoms? And yet these testing stations are still being wheeled out as part of the scare tactics. I shook my head in disgust at the sheer lunacy of it all and proceeded to Ilkley to tend to more important matters—meeting Bungle as it turned out!

450022 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #732 of 1267 🔗

My rural county just bought two of these mobile test centres now that hospitalisations have fallen to 40 out of 1m+ population.

450064 ▶▶ rose, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #733 of 1267 🔗

I went to my town this morning in Nottinghamshire. 90% maskoids in the streets. Very depressing.
I went in two supermarkets. I was the only one mask free.

450178 ▶▶▶ Sodastream, replying to rose, 1, #734 of 1267 🔗

I’m in north Notts, in our town it’s 99% maskoids in the streets and yes I’m the only one ever in a shop to be mask free..

450356 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to rose, 1, #735 of 1267 🔗

Lots of human beings, like me, find shopfuls of maskeloid zombies so revolting that they simply don’t go there. Click and collect, online purchases, and small local stores/stalls/little shops run by human beings meet our needs.

450519 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Annie, 1, #736 of 1267 🔗

Click & collect is one of the ways they want you to shop. The small, local shops are not in the final chapter of the playbook.

450020 Dodderydude, 12, #737 of 1267 🔗

I was interested to see the ATL article about the guidance on completing the pre-travel documentation. I note that there are are a number of “may” references eg, you may be asked to present papers etc etc. This is clearly intended to make people prepare for the possibility and therefore go along with the charade.

But the sentence that struck me as particularly incongruous was the sentence “You may carry evidence to support your reason for travel”. This is extremely odd phraseology, as if they are giving us authority to do something that in the normal world would clearly be classified as optional, if indeed it was necessary to make the statement at all. My feeling is that when this was originally drafted they used the word “must” but someone has decided that people might feel it was too authoritarian, or just impossible to enforce, and should be toned down. So instead of just removing the sentence altogether, “must” has been replaced with “may”. But it shows the way their minds are working.

450021 Mark, replying to Mark, 6, #738 of 1267 🔗

Woke military: let’s recall VDH’s knowledgable words, based on observation and direct conversations with some of the people involved, on the purchase of “woke career insurance” by military bureaucrats.

What do the retired generals do, and the military in general? They say: “you know, I’m thinking about this very carefully – why fight it? All the left did was try to defund the Pentagon and to call us warmongers, but you know what, now that we’re part of them” …. they think: “you know what, if I want to be in Northrop or I want to be in Lockheed and I’m left-wing general – I’ve retired and I go right in the revolving door – Elizabeth Warren’s not going to go after me any more! …. this is wonderful!”

So this is part of the insidious, nightmarish phenomenon of wokeism, that all of these people are coming out of the woodwork, and they’re telling us that they’re woke now, and therefore they’re able to make a lot of money because they’ve bought woke insurance. Career woke insurance.


This is just another particular aspect of the general phenomenon, following the decades long triumph of the woke left in the societies of the US sphere – opportunist establishment types jumping on the bandwagon because it’s the way to get ahead.

And such people, of course, have no hesitation in enthusiastically joining in the denunciation and removal of any dissenters, even though they are not true believers themselves, but mere opportunists. In fact, such people are often the most outwardly zealous of the denouncers and the activists.

This is the society the left built, through the long C20th. Not the early C20th left of practical material assistance to the working classes, but the ideological left of inflicting radical change on societies in order to remake them better.

450028 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mark, #739 of 1267 🔗

The relevance to lockdown???

450044 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, 7, #740 of 1267 🔗

The relevance to lockdown???

Do we really have to go over it yet again for you?

It’s a direct response to a piece above the line, ffs!

Even if it weren’t, you do not get to police content that you dislike here by claiming it’s “not relevant”.

What is it that makes you lefties so entitled that you always seem to think have some kind of right to stop people saying things you dislike, either because it’s “offensive” or as in this case because it’s “off topic”?

Ignore or engage.

I understand that you (collectively) are incapable of engaging with these issues except, as RickH does, with childish personal abuse, but you in particular did suggest just the other day that you understood the point about “ignore or engage”, and would choose to ignore in future.

Seems you’re not even capable of sticking to that.

450049 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Bungle, 6, #741 of 1267 🔗

The woke Left are the biggest proponents of draconian lockdown.
See: Cuomo, Newsome, Whitmer, Dan Andrews, Jacinda Ardern, China, etc

450051 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to LMS2, 4, #742 of 1267 🔗

Exactement, Macron aussi.

450142 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to LMS2, #743 of 1267 🔗


How much are blinkers these days? They seem to be a substitute for masks – and a badge of similar ignorance for the bleating right.

450195 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to RickH, #744 of 1267 🔗

Sorry. What’s your point?
You’re saying I’m wrong?
I’m just going by the U.S., Canada, Australia and New Zealand examples. I haven’t done an extensive study of political views versus lockdown severity, just going on observation.
And no, I would no longer consider Johnson and his merry band even slightly conservative or liberal, except for where Johnson sticks his johnson.

450149 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to LMS2, #745 of 1267 🔗

Their union with big capital continues.

450050 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bungle, 11, #746 of 1267 🔗

The relevance is firstly that a globalist putsch took place in the USA in November 2020. The evidence of massive electoral fraud is overwhelming. But that is only part of the story. As Mark’s quote makes clear there is a huge amount of bureaucratic and legalistic intimidation going on, designed to induce compliance throughout the power structure, that’s in addition to the huge physical intimidation from Antifa. Did you know an Antifa found with a gun in the Capitol grounds during the “insurrection” was released while many naive Trump supporters remain jailed. Of course you didn’t because the MSM is hiding what is going on in the USA. Did you know Kamala Harris is having to take calls from Benjamin Netynahu because of Biden’s mental incapacity – covered up by the MSM during the campaign?

What is happening in the USA is like the fall of Rome, it’s just no one is covering the story.

American politics is currentl;y very relevant to lockdown because, throughout, it is has been pro-globalist forces who have been pushing lockdown the strongest: the CCP, Democrats, Far Left, Macron, Zuckerberg, Gates, Big Pharma, Big Tech…wherever you look it is the globalists and their friends pushing lockdown, mandatory masks, and coercive vaccination. They have tried to impose lockdown on the whole of the USA but there is a lot of state-level resistance. That the globalists are trying to destroy freedom in the USA through intimidation, corruption, and censorship should worry us hugely.

450063 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bungle, 6, #747 of 1267 🔗

I think it is following up from the “Woke Gobbledegook” piece above the line, which mentions the military.

You may view such things as off topic but
1) The site owner chooses to feature them
2) The coronamadness has not happened in a vacuum, but in the political and social context of where we have ended up and as such it’s all connected and not really off topic at all

450091 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 2, #748 of 1267 🔗

Yep Coronamadness was a front opened up in the war between gobalism and populism, between the CCP and the USA, and between the Democrats and Trump

450136 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, #749 of 1267 🔗


def : forms of propaganda and messaging that play on popular prejudices and misconceptions. See : ‘Covid myths’

450179 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, #750 of 1267 🔗

Not, of course, the definition OKUK was using. But you doubtless knew that.

For anyone interested in the actual issue of populism as oppose to elitism, and what its key relevance is to modern US sphere politics, Thomas Frank is the best easily accessible source:

Thomas Frank on Anti-Populism’s Surprising History

450023 Phillips13, replying to Phillips13, 43, #751 of 1267 🔗

Just blew the most enormous raspberry and gave a two-fingered salute to some mask zombie who motioned to shoo me out the way. God it felt good.

450026 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Phillips13, 17, #752 of 1267 🔗

I will be suggesting that if they’re that scared, they really should stay indoors.
But your way is just as good 🙂

450037 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Phillips13, 11, #753 of 1267 🔗

A cheery wave by way of return and a loud “Good morning, yes it’s a lovely day!” might work just as well in terms of creating annoyance.

450057 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Phillips13, 3, #754 of 1267 🔗

Did the eyes bulge? Was there a muffledgrunt of rage?

450150 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Phillips13, 3, #755 of 1267 🔗

I make them swerve out of the way. I had a good one a few weeks ago, some prat wedged up against a shop window to avoid me, he was wearing the dirtiest rag you have ever seen over his mouth. I wouldn’t of cleaned the floor with it, let alone put it on my face I can only hope he catches something from his dirt damp rag.

450167 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Phillips13, 2, #756 of 1267 🔗

Love it

450029 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 35, #757 of 1267 🔗

Seems I’ve got another hardcore sceptic living nearby, handwritten posters at the bus stop pointing out 0.23% overall IFR, masks are useless, and citing Vernon Coleman. Didn’t have my phone on me but will get a pic when I go out again.

450032 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #758 of 1267 🔗

Seen similar stickers in Kidderminster.

450031 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #759 of 1267 🔗

Am I right that on the BBC Midlands today programme last night there was a report about a doctor and a nurse in a Hereford medical practice who refused the Covid vaccine and the doctor said that he would resign if he was pressured? or did I imagine it?

450034 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #760 of 1267 🔗

Always makes me laugh that the BBC consider Hereforshire part of the Midlands. I’m sure the people of that county feel very connected to Derby and Coventry.

450042 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to OKUK, 3, #761 of 1267 🔗

I’ve even seen on maps where Lincolnshire is included in the Midlands.
Since when has a Midland county had a coastline?
Contradiction in terms.

450052 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fingerache Philip, 5, #762 of 1267 🔗

Offa annexed Lindsey. It’s quite nice, with coastline and beaches. I vote we keep it.

450088 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ovis, 2, #763 of 1267 🔗

It’s true the Mercian Tourist Board has a good Offa.

450351 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to OKUK, #764 of 1267 🔗

Wales has a Dyke. Special Offa.

450134 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #765 of 1267 🔗

‘Midlands’ refers to the N/S axis.

450348 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Fingerache Philip, #766 of 1267 🔗

That ain’t nothing. The Beeb consider Milton Keynes to be part of East Anglia, whereas everybody knows that it’s an outlier of Purgatory, or for Americans, of Rotary.

450054 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, 1, #767 of 1267 🔗

Here’s a map of the areas in the country so the BBC is right – for once:


450060 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, #768 of 1267 🔗

Just got a Trojan alert on the Mike Coady site.

450117 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, #769 of 1267 🔗

No problems when I went on it.

450289 ▶▶▶▶ Bungle, replying to Awkward Git, #770 of 1267 🔗

Thanks for the map. At a rough glance, the middle lands of the UK appear to be between Newcastle & Hull, do they not???

450038 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 26, #771 of 1267 🔗

There is a major Covid test centre near me. I must have passed the site 20 or 30 times now. Not once have I seen any member of the public in the centre. So where is all the test data in my local area coming from? I suspect this is a similar situation for other areas of the country. It is just a massive fraud isn’t it.

450047 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 4, #772 of 1267 🔗

There’s one close to Norfolk hospital, which we’ve had to go to three times. There’s always a small queue of cars there. It’s for people pre-hospital procedure, so these are people who have been pre-booked for testing. I have no idea if it’s for anyone to just turn up to, but I don’t think so.

450107 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 2, #773 of 1267 🔗

What they don’t tell you, is how much of the test data comes from one person. I’m sure flicking through the sports the other week, heard some football player mention something about 200+ tests in a quite short time period, literally just a few months… lunacy. it’s a racket!

450212 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 3, #774 of 1267 🔗

Sounds about right.

450281 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, #775 of 1267 🔗

I have passed one several times in London and there has never been anyone not wearing a high visibility jacket, ie. likely to be staff.

450041 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 59, #776 of 1267 🔗

Paraphrased conversation that I’ve had 4 times in the past 2 weeks when collecting from companies like builder’s merchants, tile places, DIY chains:

Starts with me:

  • “That’s a nasty cough you have” to the female, mid-20s (always been a female mid-20s for some reason and not the burly hairy bloke who has a cough)
  • had it for weeks, can’t shake it off
  • do you think it’s because you are wearing the mask all day?
  • pause then “probably”
  • so why you wearing it behind the screen? not required.
  • company says we have to
  • but law says you don’t when behind that screen or not within close contact with customers, should be in the risk assessment they gave to you when they introduced the policy along with the dangers of wearing the mask for extended periods, the correct procedure for weraing a mask, the exemptions and so on
  • what risk assessment?
  • the one they must do whenever a working requirement or policy is changed and you have to agree with. The one it says on the door they have shown you.
  • they’ve shown us nothing. Where does it say they have shown us one?
  • one this sign here, top line where it clearly states that the staff have been shown a covid safe risk assessment
  • they’ve shown us nothing
  • we’ll you’d better report this to your manager then and ask for it plus you’d better get that cough seen to by a doctor, persistent new cough is a covid symptom or could eb cancer if it’s a prolonged cough, don’t you watch the TV adverts?.
  • is it? I didn’t know that.
  • Yep. Best go to your GP and he will either get you and your entire household to isolate or say it’s down to the mask wearing and you have a bacterial or viral lung infection which could kill you if you are not careful, one of the hazards that should be in the risk assessment then you can go on the sick at the company’s expense plus ask for compensation as they have not warned you about this health risk nor given you a risk assessment with it in and therefore broken the law
  • really?
  • Yep. Speak to the health and safety executive if you don’t believe me
  • can’t afford to isolate for 2 weeks on zero pay
  • well try statutory sick pay, company has to pay that if doctor signs you off
  • do they?
  • Yep
  • cough cough cough
  • take the mask off, when with me you are exempt.
  • why?
  • did the company tell you the exemptions?
  • No, they just said ask a customer not wearing one if they need one and if they say exempt then drop the subject.If they refuse then serve them as quick as possible and get rid of them, don’t confront them. What exemption do you mean?
  • I’m nearly deaf and the law states that if you are with someone that requires clear speech and/or lip reads and /or requires facial expressions to understand you then you are exempt from wearing the mask when with them. I’m here etc etc
  • off comes mask, big sigh of relief and so on, next time I go they see me come to collect, off comes mask straight away or other members of staff have heard through the grapevine and take their’s off before I say anything

I’ve reported my concerns over companies not meeting their legal obligations about risks assessments, hazards to their staff etc but no reply, unsurprisingly.

Lawyer’s missing a trick here – there must be a huge market of cases out there where the companies have failed in their health and safety obligations and are now on the hook for compensation to their staff or do I know about this as I’m out and about spekaing to lots of people and not stuck in an office waiting for them to come to me, which they won’t do as they don’t know the basics of the legislation. You will need to advertise.

Any lawyer reading this? Remember I thought of it and gave you the idea, 5% of your earned fees please!

450066 ▶▶ John001, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #777 of 1267 🔗

I’m starting a complaint against a major supermarket which may turn into a legal claim. I have a 2nd. complaint against the NHS for which I’m looking for a lawyer via Law or Fiction.

Both needless to say are about masks.

I’d gladly do county court small claims for others against private co.s, in return for a share of the action. (IMO against the NHS you need a lawyer.)

450068 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John001, 9, #778 of 1267 🔗

If it’s Tesco I’ve already raised my issues with the missing info from their risk assessment with customer services.

Deafening silence once they realised they couldn’t bamboozle me.

450094 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #779 of 1267 🔗

It’s Aldi. I haven’t visited Tesco or Asda for many years.

When doing a complaint that might turn into a claim, a strange point is that the Human Rights Act doesn’t apply to private businesses. But it does apply to public bodies, e.g. the NHS.

450115 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John001, 12, #780 of 1267 🔗

Ask them for their corporate risk assessment on covid.

All they do is copy and paste the government’s covid safe guidelines into a corporate template and call it good.

But it isn’t as the government stuff is just guidance so no force of law and does not have to be followed (I have this in writing from the Government Legal Department) nor does it have any evidence to back it up so inadmissible for an evidence based risk assessment as required by health and safety legislation.

Tesco had these problems:

“I have also perused your risk assessments from a professional point of view (I have to approve risk assessments as a senior manager) and there is one very large, glaring omission.

Nowhere, in any of the risk assessments I read, did it make mention of nor training for staff on the hazards of wearing a mask or face covering.

Original complaint – “Tesco not made staff aware of hazards and illnesses physical and mental of prolonged mask wearing up to and including death Tesco not briefed staff on initial signs of medical difficulties when mask wearing nor 1st aid”

“Your risk assessments are just regurgitated government and council guidelines and WHO press releases etc put into a corporate spread sheet and contain no reference to real research.

In here I listed the physical and psychological problems.

“As there is very, very little anecdotal evidence supporting the wearing of masks – even the BMA admits this – and the reasons being given out by government and from NGOs do not make sense nor include any science or medical facts the question to ask is why the push for mass mask wearing?”

As I raised earlier there is a real lack of evidence being supplied by central Government, councils hold no evidence and the BMA admits they have no evidence so how do Tesco know their steps are adequate or sufficient when all they have referenced is non-scientific guidelines?

There is much evidence freely available by many independent researchers and specialists not attached to SAGE or Government that is increasing by the day that government is not “following the science” as they claim but making it up as they go along.

I am willing to give Tesco some of these links so that they can start their own research to confirm this along with my FOI request answers that show this is true.”

For some reason no more contact after this point, not even a reply.

450383 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Awkward Git, #781 of 1267 🔗

Good work. You could mention PRC Claims.co.uk to them as well, as they seem to be the only legal organisation getting involved in this kind of thing (I have a theory that the law society or similar has told its members not to get involved in pro/anti-lockdown legal cases, probably after pressure from central government).

450056 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 7, #783 of 1267 🔗

Karl Marx – Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

Klaus Schwab – Dictatorship of the Artficially Intelligent.

450058 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, #784 of 1267 🔗

Oops, forgot an i. Artificially.

450083 ▶▶ V, replying to bebophaircut, 2, #785 of 1267 🔗
450192 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #786 of 1267 🔗

More like: “Dictatorship of the Intelligently Artificial”

450062 rockoman, 3, #788 of 1267 🔗

“We are at the crossroads of one of the most serious crises in World history. We are living history, yet our understanding of the sequence of events since January 2020 has been blurred.”


450069 james007, replying to james007, 14, #789 of 1267 🔗

Controversial point. Maybe if our healthcare system wasn’t always ‘in crisis’ and delivered better patient outcomes, nurses would be paid more.
I’m not criticising nurses at all. My sister is one and I know how hard many of them work.
But I don’t think our system works. Maybe if we had a look at the other healthcare systems in the developed world with a humble attitude, rather than worshiping ‘Our NHS’ like its some holy institution.
It was invented in 1945, has become an incomprehensible mix of public and private provision, it doesn’t actually work that well.

450085 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to james007, 2, #790 of 1267 🔗

Simple state regulated compulsory social insurance schemes, where you can choose your provider are often ranked as the best for quality and value for money and patient satisfaction. The USA’s insurance system is hugely expensive, so not a good model and excludes way too many people.

I’ve wondered before about a health voucher scheme, where you get some money back at the end of the year if you don’t make use of it might be helpful.

450199 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to james007, 6, #791 of 1267 🔗

I’ve said for years, when asked how the NHS compares with what I’ve experienced overseas, it’s average at best and run for the management, not the end users.

To me the best system would be to keep the bit that works and bin the rest. I know some bits will sound cruel but it will work out in th end:

  1. cut NI by 75%, add to Income tax, get rid of employer’s 13.5% contribution
  2. the only bit that works is when you are wheeled into A+E unconcious from an ambulance and kept alive so keep this bit unchanged for absolutely everybody
  3. all the fancy fertility treatments, sex changes, plastic surgery (more on that in a minute), anti-smoking, lose weight, psychiatry, “I want” treatments, bed blocking as no-one will accept an old person etc, all non-core services are defunded
  4. once out of A+E you get the basic minimum – for example no fancy new limbs but a wooden leg, hook, reconstructive surgery so you have the right bits in the right place but nothing fancy and so on
  5. NHS should be like the social security, a temporary safety net for those who need help but not a crutch and those who can afford better pay for it themselves with a tax break (maybe not 100%) for their medical costs
  6. more emphasis on personal responsibility to stay healthy, look after yourself
  7. more emphasis and help for famillies helping each other with those who are aging and/or ill
  8. aim to actually cure people and not just have them on drugs for life that do nothing except maintain the status quo and rack up profits but actually solve problems not require more drugs to “cure” the side effects of the other drugs
  9. anything over this your own insurance pays – but not as per the American system that screws everyone but look at what works and keeps prices down and go for the best bits of each system worldwide
450309 ▶▶▶ james007, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #792 of 1267 🔗

Absolutely agree. Although I would go further, and scrap NI entirely and have a single income tax. (I would simplify the entire tax system but that’s another story).

The US system is appalling. Unfortunately whenever the issue that the NHS is fairly average compared to over countries, people say that ‘yes but it isn’t the US system is bad’ . When you point to all the other systems in the developed world that aren’t socialized, they say ‘yes but they spend more on their healthcare’. When you look into this later claim, you discover that the reason they spend more is that healthcare isn’t rationed in the way that it is here. People get a basic cover, but pay additional voluntary costs do upgrade and improve their care.

The worst thing about the NHS, is that we are expected to be eternally grateful for it. Maybe if other essential services (eg. broadband, electricity etc…) were socialized, we would have to clap for them too.

Anyway I am not optimistic about change. As we have found, all politicians and ‘experts’ love centrally planned systems. It gives them the delusion that they control every aspect of our lives and have the power to save us all. I am a big fan of Hayek’s writings on the tyranny of central planning.

450371 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to james007, 2, #793 of 1267 🔗

Most people I speak to think that there are only two types of healthcare system in the world – Our Wonderful NHS™ and foreign/commonwealth copies of it, or the US system, which they think is only available to the rich while everyone else dies in the gutter (probably while Donald Trump looks on, laughing).

450457 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #794 of 1267 🔗

Re your point No 8:: Cure. Not drugs for life.

Unfortunately big pharma want drugs for life.

UKColumn:: GcMAF and the Persecution of David Noakes, Lyn Thyer & Immuno Biotech
David Noakes is still in prison in France.

450070 rockoman, 4, #795 of 1267 🔗

“the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1% ) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.”

Dr Anthony S. Fauci, March 26th 2020 in ‘New England Journal of Medicine’


450073 penelope pitstop, replying to penelope pitstop, 2, #796 of 1267 🔗

Is anyone else here a member of David Lloyd gyms? I received an email yesterday saying pay £x amount now upfront and get two months membership free when reopen. Obviously they haven’t been able to charge fees whilst being closed. Sounds to me like a cash flow issue – hope they won’t be another casualty of this sorry and unnecessary lockdown crap as it’s a beacon of sanity when open to go swimming etc.

450090 ▶▶ Julian, replying to penelope pitstop, 3, #797 of 1267 🔗

I guess their operating costs are high as they have extensive and fancy facilities and as they are private they won’t get bailed out by councils

450248 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to penelope pitstop, 1, #798 of 1267 🔗

Do they mention whether you would get your money back when they introduce vaccine ‘passports’??

450076 rockoman, replying to rockoman, #799 of 1267 🔗


450081 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to rockoman, 2, #800 of 1267 🔗

always point this out to the believers, but falls on deaf ears. but but…. covid is new and not like flu sigh

450095 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to rockoman, 1, #801 of 1267 🔗

Wow. The truth is no defence. Shame on you, moderator!

450120 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jinks, #802 of 1267 🔗

No it was me.

I was editing the comment and ran into some technical glitch.


Linked to this:


450086 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 3, #803 of 1267 🔗

Greta Thunberg, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates … White Privilege. Milk is White. Racist.


450123 ▶▶ RickH, replying to bebophaircut, #804 of 1267 🔗

… and there’s no human life on Mars.

But what’s that got to do with Covid?

450556 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #805 of 1267 🔗

Another assertion that’s unprovable either way ?

450087 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 5, #806 of 1267 🔗

The absolute state of football. These clubs don’t deserve their fans loyalty. All gathered outside the stadium, while their team plays a crucial game in an empty stadium, filled with a chosen few. No TSG for this crowd though. The police know better, which group of people to carry out their thuggery on.


450125 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jinks, 2, #807 of 1267 🔗

No idea why they DON’T JUST GO IN……who is going to stop them?
It’s a bit like a horse tied to a plastic chair. It stands there cos its tied to a chair, that it could move without any effort at all.

450552 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #808 of 1267 🔗

Not so much ‘who’ as ”what’ – locked steel doors ?

450244 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Jinks, #809 of 1267 🔗

They should have the titled removed after this breach and handed to Celtic!

450089 isobar, replying to isobar, 36, #810 of 1267 🔗

One sometimes hears from government sources the phrase ‘offered the vaccine’

But in reality it’s not quite like that. I have just received my reminder call up papers from the NHS. The heading at the top of the letter (in bold characters) is ‘Book your coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine appointments now’.

In the section ‘Please ignore this letter if:’ (again in bold lettering ) there are three reasons given for doing so:

1) You would prefer to be vaccinated through your local GP services. If you do, please wait for your GP services to contact you directly, if they haven’t already

2) You already have an appointment booked to be vaccinated at a local GP service. If you have, there is nothing you need to do except turn up to your scheduled GP appointment.

3) You’ve has your first vaccine dose already. If you have, the NHS will contact you when it’s time for your second dose.

You will doubtless notice that there isn’t a fourth reason given for ignoring the letter, that is : If you don’t want to have the ‘vaccine’. So it isn’t really an ‘offer’ at all, it’s an instruction, clear and simple.

450103 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to isobar, 12, #811 of 1267 🔗

That means it is a violation of the principle of fully informed consent. is the letter signed by a specific person? If so, might be worth taking Rachel Elnaugh’s advice on board and sending some emails and making a bit of noise. because this is unethical at best. UK column did a bit a while back on Dr Niki Kanani, who was pushing vaccines very hard, which opened her up to complaints because she was only pushing very selective one-sided info, and appeared to have not insubstantial financial interests in doing so, to boot.

450111 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #812 of 1267 🔗

No, it isn’t. As far as potential side effects go all it says it that ‘Very few people cannot have this vaccine. If you have had bad allergic reactions in the past, it is importance that read all the guidance. You can also discuss it when you book, or with a health professional when you attend your appointment’ .

It gives a link to more information at http://www.nhs.uk/covid-vaccination . But I haven’t had time to check that out yet. There was a small booklet which came with the first lot of call up papers but I don’t have that anymore. It was pretty crap anyway.

450118 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to isobar, 12, #813 of 1267 🔗

I’ve declined for many reasons, but I did have a little look at the various guidance notes available to see what it said about my health condition. Reams of the same general waffle, tiny bit at the end about people with autoimmune disorders, along the lines of “there’s no evidence it’s not safe for such people”. Well OK, so what you mean is there’s no evidence it’s safe because it’s not been tested on such people in sufficient numbers and over sufficient time for anything worthwhile to be understood about it.

It’s similar to what that tool Van Tam said about the safety for pregnant or wanting-to-be-pregnant women – “logically there’s no reason to think it’s not safe”. It’s simply throwing out of the window what has previously been the orthodoxy when it comes to a medicl treatment or vaccine – assume it is unsafe until proved otherwise.

450127 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 15, #814 of 1267 🔗

Like you, I have several reasons for not being a prick.

The main one has always been about adequate testing. This is a matter of both practice and scientific principle – as is the second one about the ethical issues around propaganda and pressure, which are clearly spelled out on the Nuremberg Protocols and subsequent laws and codes.

The previous generation to mine put these principles in place on the basis of “Never Again!”, and they are not to be dispensed with by a bunch of self-seeking toe-rags backed by bovine compliance.

450152 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to RickH, 11, #815 of 1267 🔗

‘Thank you for the offer to join the Stage 3 trials. However I prefer to wait until full publication of the trial results and will then decide accordingly.’

450184 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Julian, 5, #816 of 1267 🔗

It’s perfectly safe for pregnant women.
Apart from the miscarriages, of course….

450513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to LMS2, 1, #817 of 1267 🔗

And this: “ So far, millions of people have been given a COVID-19 vaccine and reports of serious side effects, such as allergic reactions, have been very rare. No long-term complications have been reported .”

well of course no long term complications have been reported. Nobody was dosed more than 12 months ago at most!

450124 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 14, #818 of 1267 🔗

Picking up again on your point. The letter starts off by saying Dear Xxxx

‘We are writing to you again as experts recommend that people in your age group should be among the first to receive the free NHS coronavirus vaccine. This is because evidence shows that risk of serious illness due to coronavirus increases with age’

Note ‘first to receive’ rather than ‘first to be offered’ In other words they assume that it’s a given.

450092 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 17, #819 of 1267 🔗

i posted extracts below from the Lord Bethell letter.

The final paragraph reads:

”As we have made clear, at some point in the future there will be an opportunity for us to look back, to reflect and to learns lessons. However, at the moment, the important thing is to focus on responding to the current pandemic”

Learn lessons? They ignored all the advice given in the Swine flu report from 2010 such as ensuring a PROPORTIONAL response to a virus. They ignored the WHO guidelines for the control of pandemics and the WHO advice that lockdowns should never be used as the first response. They continue to use mathematical modelling when history has shown it to be unreliable. How many more lessons need to be learned?

450112 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Margaret, 4, #820 of 1267 🔗

What a pillock he is. By their own admission, covid was something of an unknown right at the start. So the time to “look back, reflect and learn lessons” was from the start and ongoing, as more information became available. If you’re dealing with a known threat, like a fire, you put it out then look into what started it. If you’re dealing with something new, you have to be prepared to change tack as you understand more. Instead they got stuck in Feb/March 2020 thinking and have refused to budge ever since.

450093 leggy, 13, #821 of 1267 🔗

Here’s a curious one. Reiner F is undoubtedly one of the good guys and in many respects, our hopes are . I thought I’d look up a bit of his case history against VW, Cunard etc.

Type “reiner fuellmich wikipedia” into Duck Duck Go and see what the first result is!

Interestingly, his name does not feature on that page at all, at least not currently. What’s even more curious, is not only does he not have a page of his own there, but a general search for his name doesn’t result in a single hit.

Information wars?

450105 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #822 of 1267 🔗

Received from the son this link to a song – no, I can’t understand what he’s saying but apparently it’s from 2017 and very prophetic:



If you look close you can see at the bottom the date and hashtags:


dated 13 march 2017

Another strangely prophetic coincidence.

450108 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Awkward Git, #823 of 1267 🔗
450209 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to rockoman, #824 of 1267 🔗
450106 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 9, #825 of 1267 🔗

Live on YT now
Kai Stuht reporting from Stockholm.
Heiko Schoening, the German doctor who was arrested in London, speaking. Police are just starting to move people along.


450129 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Silke David, 4, #826 of 1267 🔗

Great! Watching it now. Lost of people

Is it a protest?

450175 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Silke David, #827 of 1267 🔗

Legend 😇

450109 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 35, #828 of 1267 🔗

The Orwellian gibberish from Isle of Man Chief Minister Howard Quayle ought to alert his family and friends to the need to stage an intervention:

‘The virus spreads when people mix and so we need to do all we can to minimise that mixing … In the interests of children and broader society, we need to prevent children from mixing.’

**That’s right. In the interests of children, for whom risk of infection/illness/child-to-child and child-to-adult transmission is negligible, it is utterly imperative that we forbid them from mixing.**

‘I do believe though that if we get this right one more time – if we stamp out once and for all the transmission that has been sitting under the surface for some time now –and in parallel if we protect our vaccination programme – this could hopefully be the last time.’

**So, we need to get right one more time the stamping out of transmission, something we got right before but need to get right again, and once we get it right again, then we’re laughing.**

‘If all is well, as we progress over the next 21 days, I sincerely hope that we will not have to tighten up further. It has worked before. We know what to do.’

**Now stay with me. It has worked before, but we’re doing it again because, while it worked before, we need to do it again to show that it can work. We knòw what to do. We have the experience. We’ve got this right before and we’ll get it right again.**

This is an Orwellian nightmare.

450113 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnDanny, 8, #829 of 1267 🔗

Johnson said that months ago in one of the press conferences.The virus spreads through human contact,we need to stop that.

450236 ▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #830 of 1267 🔗

Also stated on posters put up in built-up areas. I suppose an oubliette is the best place to be, to avoid the dread contagion…

450130 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to JohnDanny, 13, #831 of 1267 🔗

Mentally deranged, where did they find all of these mad people, can’t all be corrupted, can they?

450131 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 10, #832 of 1267 🔗

The dominance of crass stupidity in this shit-show is the only ‘unprecedented’ aspect.

450198 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #833 of 1267 🔗

Can these people truly believe what they’re saying?

450422 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to leggy, 2, #834 of 1267 🔗

Brainwashed. Common Purpose?

450335 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to JohnDanny, 3, #835 of 1267 🔗

He’s like a drunken wife beater. ‘It won’t happen again babes, I promise. It’ll be different this time.’

450355 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #836 of 1267 🔗

It’s always just one more time, isn’t it?

And why would they need to tighten up further – he’s just said that lockdowns work.

And if they got it right last time and have had to do it again, what difference does it make if they do it right again this time?

450116 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 16, #837 of 1267 🔗

We could do with another Guy Gibson to break the dam.

450140 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Biggles, 3, #838 of 1267 🔗

And his dog.

450243 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #839 of 1267 🔗

Ssh you can’t mention the dog anymore. It’s been unanimaled.

450509 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #840 of 1267 🔗

What, Nigger?



450530 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #841 of 1267 🔗

It’s been curtailed ?

450119 Mark, replying to Mark, 7, #842 of 1267 🔗

They Don’t Control Me’—Vernon Jones on Cancel Culture & Leaving the Democratic Party | CPAC 2021
Interesting interview on a couple of counts, I think. A black American lifelong Democrat who as far as I can see probably drifted into the Democrat Party for race loyalty reasons in his youth, and perhaps due to sympathy with the “economic left”, but has, as he himself claims “conservative values” – a social conservative I think.

Illustrates the clear groundswell of support in some sections of the US black community for Trumpist Republicanism that has so embarrassed and angered woke lefties, and also the rejection by socially more conservative Democrats of the now utterly dominant woke left agenda in their party.

Clearly a lot of UK former Labour supporters will sympathise with his declaration that “ I didn’t leave the party, the party left me “. Indeed it chimes with the accurate diagnosis here by Phil Shannon on leftlockdown sceptics of the abandonment of the genuine interests of working class people, by the political left. This seems to be a civilisational change, across the countries of the US sphere.

In the particular US context, this also relates to the refusal by the left to address Trump’s consequent winning of working class support, and their instead flying into hysterical rage and hatred over it:

It’s tragic that this country is at this place right now, because it didn’t have to be this way. They could have said Donald Trump represented a lost constituency that … globalised culture had ignored in a very amoral fashion and that was an understandable pushback, but the way to beat Donald Trump is to appeal to his voters in the way that the Democratic Party used to do, and win them back. They didn’t do that. They didn’t do that because they wanted open borders, and they’re tribalists that believe in identity politics, and they don’t care about people of the working class any more, and they feel that their money and their power and their titles and their degrees have allowed them to be an unquestioned elite. Sort of Platonic Guardians that we … don’t dare question .”

Victor Davis Hanson on Impeachment and the ‘Cancer’ of Woke Ideology | American Thought Leaders
10 Feb

450173 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Mark, 2, #843 of 1267 🔗

Team Obama Continues Clearing the Field, Andrew Cuomo, Then Watch for Clinton, Perhaps Newsom

“Throughout the first decade of this millennium there was an ideological shift, an inflection point, that became most clear in the rise of a little known state representative who was appointed to become a Senator from Illinois, his name was Barack Obama. In the background of Obama’s rise were the people who designed the modern political left. Those Obama creationists were/are hardline revolutionary communist types.”


450201 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to LMS2, #844 of 1267 🔗

Alestair Crowley disciple, Saul Alinsky – Rules for Radicals, was the go-to playbook of the Obomber sycophants. Just like Bliar, and his babes, all spin and no substance.

450226 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Mark, -2, #845 of 1267 🔗

As usual,in the middle of all this foul name calling, you make a good point which is probably lost on many people due to the wokeness of your argument.

450275 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bungle, #846 of 1267 🔗

foul name calling


wokeness of your argument


If you have a point to make in response to a comment, why not just make it directly and honestly?

450527 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, #847 of 1267 🔗

It’s the head-covering he was wearing in that photo – it’s attacking his brain. 🙂

450122 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #848 of 1267 🔗

JB omitted to highlight the most important thing about the travel permits:

But let’s leave this to one side and go to a pertinent second question. Will it be effective? And let’s supply an immediate answer. Of course not.
For one thing, the accompanying blurb provides so many permissible reasons for travel that it is hard to envisage the new departure form blocking anybody at the gate.
You can go abroad if it is for work, if you are volunteering, for education, on medical and compassionate grounds, for weddings, for funerals, “to fulfil legal obligations”, “to carry out activities related to buying, selling, letting or renting a residential property”. This is not the full list.
It is not so much that you could drive a bus through these exemptions as you could do it on two wheels, backwards. Will it be checked by the airlines and border staff who are supposed to ask for it? Who knows, but my personal experience of the passenger locator form is that no-one mentions it, even if they have the time to do so.
Will the situation be clear to everyone on Monday morning? Probably not. As seems to be the case with every initiative launched at present, it is only in play England. Different rules apply to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. So why bother? Because it’s theatre.

Given that the article is (probably) behind a paywall, this would have been good to let everyone know!

450126 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #849 of 1267 🔗

It doesn’t matter if they work.A precedent has been established and they can be tightened up later.

450128 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #850 of 1267 🔗

Agree, it’s all about putting in place mechanisms to control movement. More salami tactics.

450147 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #851 of 1267 🔗

Probably coercion to get everyone jabbed

450135 Tom Blackburn, 1, #852 of 1267 🔗


450139 danny, replying to danny, 42, #853 of 1267 🔗

keep hearing of more and more businesses breaking the law by demanding their staff have the vaccine or no work. This is especially true of jobs with a lot of students and caudal workers who usually don’t have the confidence to refuse.
latest is Clarkes the shoe shop. They have told all their existing staff that they cannot work if they refuse. This is criminal behaviour.

450145 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to danny, 23, #854 of 1267 🔗

The legal profession could have a field day with this, employers can’t discriminate on medical grounds so how can they on this

450177 ▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to DanClarke, 13, #855 of 1267 🔗

That’s true, but bear in mind we live now in an era where the law seems to mean increasingly less on a daily basis.

450505 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Noumenon, #856 of 1267 🔗

It certainly needs a case or two to test ‘the law’ though. It must mean something?


450160 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to danny, 14, #857 of 1267 🔗

If nobody ever goes anywhere, why do we need to buy shoes?

450161 ▶▶ Janette, replying to danny, 4, #858 of 1267 🔗

Totally agree

450187 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Janette, 2, #859 of 1267 🔗

Clarks school shoes are a rip off, the foot measuring gimmick adds no value.

450204 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 6, #860 of 1267 🔗

I must be getting old as when I was young they were the absolute best.

I’ve jsut thrown away a pair of Clark’s shoes I bought about 35 years ago to go with a suit and worn many time since.

Finally wore out and the sole fell off.

I wanted to repair them Mrs Awkward said no so out they was they started to squeak so out they went – they w ere really comfortable.

I guess like everything else they went cheap to maximise profits.

450342 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Awkward Git, #861 of 1267 🔗

Well if we’re all supposed to be on a diet anyway – to improve our chances against Covid – then Clarks are likely to lose business anyway imo – as their “standard width” is the wide width renamed and therefore D width – when it used to be C width. Not been able to buy shoes from them for years because of that – when they were always my default setting. I do feel sorry for those staff though and wonder just how many more people employers are going to try and blackmail into having the jab.

450181 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to danny, 12, #862 of 1267 🔗


The UKMFA, Lawyers for Liberty and The Workers Union of England have published an Open Letter, for employees and potential employees to share with employers who are proposing to mandate Covid-19 vaccines on their employees. It outlines the legal rights of the employee to informed consent and medical freedom, and relevant employment law protections afforded to employees. It summarises the legal duties of employers. It also summarises the potential risks of Covid-19 vaccines and the trial data which indicates that Covid-19 vaccines do NOT prevent infection or transmission of the virus.



450211 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to danny, 6, #863 of 1267 🔗

Here’s the address of Clarks – I’m going to send them a letter.

Customer Care. Box 50,
40 High Street,
BA16 0EQ,
United Kingdom

450144 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 44, #864 of 1267 🔗

Posters at bus stop in my road. If the person who put these up posts or lurks here and recognises them say hello!

450146 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 33, #865 of 1267 🔗

Second one…

450148 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #866 of 1267 🔗

Some good precise info there

450292 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #867 of 1267 🔗

Excellent job and is hitting home judging by the fact someone has tried to peel them off. It would look better if printed rather than hand-written though I think.

450578 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Cranmer, 4, #868 of 1267 🔗

Well I think the handwriting attracts attention. It has the look of spontaneity. It works. I like it.

450298 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #869 of 1267 🔗

Double wonderful!

450159 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #870 of 1267 🔗


450297 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #871 of 1267 🔗


450156 isobar, replying to isobar, 33, #872 of 1267 🔗

In an update to a previous post, DM have opened up comments again on the article below.

Best rated readers comment still stands. Many others agree.

‘The Covid jab? It’s a plot by Bill Gates to depopulate the world’: Astonishingly, that’s what former It-girl Lady Victoria Hervey really believes. What planet is she on?


Best rated readers comment

‘She’s right.’

5784 upticks 2035 downticks

450157 ▶▶ Janette, replying to isobar, 8, #873 of 1267 🔗

Yes another thumbs up for DM here. Surely this will start to wake for of the sheeple

450162 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Janette, 5, #874 of 1267 🔗

At the very least it will hopefully make them think!

450168 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to isobar, #875 of 1267 🔗

Hmm …….

450172 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to isobar, 15, #876 of 1267 🔗

It’s a shame that the DM comments section doesn’t allow photos and images to be posted.
Like this one from a couple of days ago.

450176 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to LMS2, 2, #877 of 1267 🔗


450196 ▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #880 of 1267 🔗

He means us and not him, obviously.

450238 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to DanClarke, 3, #881 of 1267 🔗

It’s high time he led by example. Somehow, though, the eugenicists never do.

450174 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to isobar, 13, #882 of 1267 🔗

It isn’t controversial that Gates believes in depopulation through vaccination, he’s said as much himself. What’s controversial is the mechanism through which depopulation occurs. The debate has become one of denial of the actual facts i.e. that Gates believes in depopulation through vaccination.

450259 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Noumenon, 1, #883 of 1267 🔗

In fairness, I think it is clear that he meant less births in the 3rd world will lesd to that and happen automatically, if vaccinations reduce the childrens premature deaths there.
Which still doesn’t give him the right to get involved, validifies the/his Malthusian idea that population growth is bad, can’t be managed otherwise and therefore that it must be stopped, and for sure not to promote or even coerce people into getting vaxxed in the developed world.

450341 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JayBee, #884 of 1267 🔗

It is a double bonus his way. Greatly reduced population very quickly and then he and his co-conspirators lord it over all the schmucks that are left.

450344 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to JayBee, #885 of 1267 🔗

I wasn’t accusing Gates of killing people with the vaccine, I believe you are correct (reducing infant mortality is his stated reason anyway). But, there is a controversy because some say that vaccines could be used to increase mortality or reduce fertility (I’m open minded but I don’t believe this). The problem is that the media rarely go to this debate and prefer not to mention Gates population agenda at all as if the only accusation is that he’s poisoning people.

450186 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 17, #886 of 1267 🔗

Thank you to the commenter known as ‘Freecumbria’ for the inspiration to write a poem about muck.


Under our nails,
Where bacteria hides,
Lies a wealth of goodness,
To help our insides.

Our immune system needs,
To live close to the dirt,
If we sanitise often,
Our bodies’ we hurt.

We need to have muck,
So don’t follow the lies,
You’ll end up unhealthy,
If you sanitise.

A sterile world means,
We won’t be robust,
We mustn’t forget,
We’re created from dust.

To fight off this germ,
Have a dig in the soil,
If we live without germs,
Our immune system spoils.

450249 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Liberty, 2, #887 of 1267 🔗

Brilliant. Thanks for accepting my commission. How much do I owe you?

450262 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #888 of 1267 🔗

Thank you for the challenge, I enjoyed it.

As for the fee…

My poem’s my sword in the fight
I swipe with the words that I write
The fee I will wave
For freedom I gave
To contribute hope to this site.

450288 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Liberty, 1, #889 of 1267 🔗

My husband is hoping I might get a proper job writing current affairs poems or something similar…until then…LS it is.

450340 ▶▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Liberty, 3, #890 of 1267 🔗

You should become a full time poet
Take a chance and just go for it
‘Cos your poems really are first class
And where there’s muck there’s also brass

450188 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 11, #891 of 1267 🔗
450401 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Basileus, 1, #892 of 1267 🔗

Amazing how the Irish seem to have suddenly woken up – why now I wonder, they have been unusually compliant till now it seems

450623 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Barbara Baker, #893 of 1267 🔗

Seems to be a strong emphasis on peace also. Here is a video of undercover police bing rumbled at last weeks protest


450190 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #894 of 1267 🔗

Quiet here this afternoon, have the pubs opened and nobody told me?

450193 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #895 of 1267 🔗

Sunny so all out on walks? Well I was anyway!

450343 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #896 of 1267 🔗

So were two of us. Lovely walk, lovely company.

450327 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #897 of 1267 🔗

The pubs are not open 🙁 I’ve spent a pleasant enough afternoon warming my backside in front of the log burner at a friend’s house.

450191 HobbyGobbyGold, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 66, #898 of 1267 🔗

The RCN wants a 12.5% rise for nurses …. well fuck them all – they have kept their jobs, unlike many, and have not been overwhelmed because they have treated only CV-19 in place of most other health problems, excepting emergency cases. They are not ‘saints & angels’, just doing a job they are paid to do, like all other essential workers have done.
And whilst I am here, fuck that ginger twat and his gobby partner.
There … I feel much better for that.

450200 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 7, #899 of 1267 🔗

Exactly – fuck ’em.

450202 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 21, #900 of 1267 🔗

if the nurses are going on strike then it means they think covid is over

450287 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to steve_w, 3, #901 of 1267 🔗

My guess is someone high up in the unions with a knowledge of history is hoping to recreate a 1945 type ‘people’s victory’ after the war on Covid.

450442 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to steve_w, 4, #902 of 1267 🔗

Or they simply don’t give a toss for the public’s health
I expect to be disembowelled for that awful remark – but frankly by now I don’t g*** a d***.

450203 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 30, #903 of 1267 🔗

Also, the majority of staff were not on the ‘frontline of the crisis’ at all!

450219 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Mic67, 17, #904 of 1267 🔗

My neighbour is a nurse at what was, and still is, supposed to be one of the potentially ‘overwhelmed’ hospitals in North Wales, and last spring/summer between 1 April and 30 June she had two (separate) weeks on holiday away with her family, eight weeks on ‘standby’ at home (never called in) and just two separate weeks at work (which happened to be the weeks before her annual leave so I suspect her attendance was for bureaucratic reasons). She actually said to me in June that she wasn’t sure how well she would readjust to working again!

450221 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Dodderydude, #905 of 1267 🔗

How about after June?

450229 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Waldorf, 7, #906 of 1267 🔗

She had a family holiday for two weeks in August (campervan holiday in Abersoch) but just before that, and since, she appears to have been back to working her normal shifts.

What puzzled me about her time off was that she is a midwife – what happened to all the pregnancies and births during that period if she wasn’t required to attend to them? She had told me in April that she was on standby for ’emergency’ covid work when they were expecting to be ‘overwhelmed’. . So begs the question as to who was doing the midwifery functions.

450215 ▶▶ mj, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 3, #907 of 1267 🔗

correction . doing part of the job they are paid to do part of the time .

450256 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 2, #908 of 1267 🔗

12.5%- 70s inflation here we come.
The sole consolation is that after the collapse, there will be no money for them, doctors, dentists, civil servants, fs pensioners AT ALL.
That’s what happens after every currency reset brought upon by hyperinflation, and it lasts about generation, see German professions equivalence from 1945-1975.
Serves them right.

450273 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to HobbyGobbyGold, 4, #909 of 1267 🔗

The unvaxxed ones who might be the only ones still standing next Spring might be able to command a pay rise like that.

450206 Victoria, 9, #910 of 1267 🔗

Brilliant one minute video about the visible corruption in the UK Govt. It cleverly exposes the fork-tongued greedy politicians – but with ingenious and wonderful humour:

450207 Mark, replying to Mark, 24, #911 of 1267 🔗

Malcolm Kendrick’s latest bemused attempt to come to terms with a world in which sense, reason and truth have been rejected, in favour of unreasoning panic and manipulative dishonesty:

Believing in impossible things – and COVID19

450222 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Mark, 17, #912 of 1267 🔗

It’s great – thank you. Worth quoting here, i think:

It was the Chinese who started it, and who claimed great success for their jackboot lockdown tactics. Well, they convinced me… not. Frankly, if I had to choose a country from which to obtain high quality, unbiased information, about anything, China would not feature in my top one hundred and ninety-four countries
But there you go, lockdown worked under the control of the kind and caring CCP. Hoorah, cheering all round, and the first person to stop cheering gets shot. Well, we don’t want any damned nay-sayers, do we? After that, according to almost everything I have read, everywhere, it worked for everyone else too. Remarkable.

450252 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Alice, 10, #913 of 1267 🔗

I commented many times early on that Cui bono? leads directly and mainly to China, and that we fell for their ruse.
In 90% of cases, those comments were then censored.
But I don’t think the Chinese contemplated that we would be so thick that we continue to do so a full year later.

450301 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Alice, 2, #914 of 1267 🔗

Weren’t the Chinese present in Italy and suggested to the Italians that they close down?

450313 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to John, #915 of 1267 🔗

Could have been some Belt and Road influence going on en coulisse.

450585 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to John, 1, #916 of 1267 🔗

They were and they did. Obviously, they did that for purely humanitarian reasons. To suggest otherwise, you’d have to be some sort of conspiracy theorist.

450217 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to SilentP, #918 of 1267 🔗

Good article – I recall his (that particular Tyler’s) first one on the subject too.

450258 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #919 of 1267 🔗

My favourite comment was “ There are no blue states. Only blue cities surrounded by a sea of red. Cancel them. Nothing in, nothing out. They will be cooking each other in pots within a week. No humanitarian aid until they hand over their leaders and tell us in a baby voice that they were wrong.”

450283 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #920 of 1267 🔗

I noticed that in California a few years ago. I’d heard it was all very liberal (which is true in the cities) but out in the sticks it’s not much different to the Bible Belt. Guns and ammo on sale in the gas stations and ‘Jesus Saves’ signs etc.

450251 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to SilentP, 12, #921 of 1267 🔗

Definitely worth a read. I agree with him on all counts and I believe red states and conservatives in the US are our only hope. Sweden was great in the beginning as they were like the control group, but it became evident pretty quickly that data and actual science don’t hold sway. The graphs comparing California and Florida are damning and yet the Covidians pay no mind. Only action will move the needle at this point and people are voting with their feet by fleeing California and New York. As more states open completely I’m hoping it becomes unsustainable for Canada to stay locked down.

450213 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 2, #922 of 1267 🔗

Alex Belfield on the tests £25 each! https://youtu.be/Tvo8J0O9P4U

450246 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mic67, 1, #923 of 1267 🔗

The PCRs are much more expensive. Around £150.


450319 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to DavidC, 1, #924 of 1267 🔗

This lad’s LF was positive, PCR negative, household still told to isolate.
How much more insanity can we take. https://twitter.com/rachael_stewart/status/1368131794038632449?s=20

450218 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Caramel, 1, #926 of 1267 🔗

Even I know the vial contain 4 (was 5 I think) doses. Either he has poor English so couldn’t read the instructions or wasn’t bothered because they are just care home fodder.

450379 ▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Caramel, 1, #927 of 1267 🔗

I wonder if they will still insist on giving a second dose to the poor souls?

450220 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 5, #928 of 1267 🔗

just for fun

the below is the daily R value as calculated by the Zoe symptom tracker app

the rise mid-feb was from vaccine side effects which were subsequently removed to cause the step changes

450365 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to steve_w, 5, #929 of 1267 🔗

‘R’ rate, invented by modellers,meaning nothing!!!

450223 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 32, #930 of 1267 🔗

I don’t think anyone in the NHS should get a pay rise until we find out who ordered and who carried out the biological-warfare on the care homes

450235 ▶▶ leggy, replying to steve_w, 21, #931 of 1267 🔗

That was PHE. A friend who manages bed capacity for a large university hospital trust carried out the orders. I recall at the time him telling me that they wanted to move him to a different office that he didn’t like the idea of and he was suggesting that if they did, he would take the story to the press. The story got out in the end of course.

What didn’t get out, is that not only were they ordered to clear out the generals by transferring patients to nursing homes, but they also transferred them to small community hospitals. He knows of at least one significant outbreak resulting in deaths that occurred a result of his actions.

I should add that he’s a full on covidian. I visited him in the Autumn and there were masks, gloves and sanitiser everywhere. His hands were cracked and bleeding from overusing the gunk. All very sad.

450276 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to leggy, #932 of 1267 🔗

Something should be done

450370 ▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to leggy, #933 of 1267 🔗

No excuses then – total culpability- can’t see how they can live with themselves

450380 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to leggy, 2, #934 of 1267 🔗

He should be executed

450417 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to leggy, 1, #935 of 1267 🔗

The PHE document does state that in order to discharge, it had to be clinically led so that does in my opinion lay as much blame on the NHS as well as PHE.

450227 Bugle, 4, #936 of 1267 🔗

Don’t know if anyone else posted this Fiends video featuring Matt Hancock:


450233 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 31, #937 of 1267 🔗

Last known photo of SAGE committee – June 2021

450270 ▶▶ Annie, replying to steve_w, 1, #938 of 1267 🔗

Can’t quite make out the hangman. Must be waiting in the wings.

450274 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Annie, 1, #939 of 1267 🔗

He has a lot of knots to be cracking on with.

450560 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #940 of 1267 🔗

We need the three-legged mare of Tyburn to get through them all as fast as possible..

450374 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Annie, #941 of 1267 🔗

Good old Albert

450389 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #942 of 1267 🔗

They got an inept American NCO named Woods to execute the leading Nazis at Nuremberg.

450381 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to steve_w, #943 of 1267 🔗

We can only hope.

450415 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to steve_w, #944 of 1267 🔗

Cant be – no women

450234 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 11, #945 of 1267 🔗

B & Q totally packed this afternoon. Wall to wall compliance on the mask front. Its becoming lonely out there.

Listened to Premier Christian radio where the govt covid narrative runs unchecked. Even had a Christian medic on today talking about why there may be been excess non covid deaths but failed to mention or criticise the govt fear propaganda pumped out remorselessly over the last 12 months although his hesitancy around this topic suggested he was aware of it.

Fired off a long missive questioning why they are simply accepting this narrative and pushing the vaccine narrative on to people without question. Also pushing the AGW bs just to make things worse.

Be interesting to see the response but they seem to have a ‘globalist’ agenda as this was mentioned more than once.

450253 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 10, #946 of 1267 🔗

It’s sad that Premier have bought the narrative, but unsurprising. The Church has not stepped up in this hour, but there are an increasing number of Christian lockdown sceptics who see this whole situation as a spiritual battle of good vs evil. I, along with many Christians I know, want to be on the right side of history.

450267 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 2, #947 of 1267 🔗

We are, Liberty, we are.
We are also on the right hand of God.
(I say this as a left-hander.Doh.)
God and my right!

450278 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Liberty, #948 of 1267 🔗

You may like what this guy has to say (if you haven’t heard of him already):


450414 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Alice, 1, #949 of 1267 🔗

Christian Concern have been very good in the current situation. They have often been a voice of sanity in a world of chaos.

450282 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Liberty, 15, #950 of 1267 🔗

I find it absolutely baffling that in a world where many Christians are persecuted unto death, the clergy in Britain have decided to voluntarily shut the churches because of a disease with a 99% survival rate. In London during the visitation of 1665, the churches remained open – the only problem was there weren’t many clergy available because most of them had died.

450290 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 6, #951 of 1267 🔗

Many died because they went into plague-stricken households and ministered to the dying.
So did some clergy during the Black Death.

450326 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to Cranmer, 9, #952 of 1267 🔗

We, as Christians in this nation, were very poorly prepared for this situation. We have forgotten what persecution really is. We didn’t think it could happen in Britain. We were flabby in our knowledge of scripture, badly taught on the subject of Bible prophecy and sold out to science as the solution for everything medical. We had forgotten who gives life and who has the power to take it. We believed we were the masters of our own destiny and that the vaccine was a God-sent miracle. I pity the blind church and pray that God opens her eyes. This is church’s best opportunity to shine Christ’s love and hope into a broken fear filled world and most Christians have not risen to the challenge. Some of us are though and our voices are growing, our resolve stronger than ever and our faith is growing in the knowledge that God is calling us for such a time as this.

450338 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Liberty, 5, #953 of 1267 🔗

Amen to that, Liberty.
God’s plan may be for new churches.,It’s happened many times before. When the existing church becomes impossibly corrupt, a new one arises. I think I understand, now, a little of what inspired John Wesley.

450366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barbara Baker, replying to Annie, 4, #954 of 1267 🔗

I thought that myself…. there is on the noticeboard and door of the local parish church this:
This building is empty…. but we can still worship online
That says it all for me … this church closed its doors in March 2020 and has not been open at all since

450434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Annie, 1, #955 of 1267 🔗

Because of the problems of organised religion and having stepped back from the RC church I see the church as the people – they are now the ‘body of Christ’. They are few and scattered but their voices are powerful.

450431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Liberty, 2, #956 of 1267 🔗

Great post Liberty. This is dividing a lot Christians but its great to see those who can really see whats going on stepping up. There message is all the more the powerful for that.

450652 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Liberty, #957 of 1267 🔗

As a Catholic I am well aware of what persecution is. It’s not that long since being a Catholic was illegal and subject to fines and even death… in Britain.

Unfortunately the Vatican was completely taken oven by modernism during and after the 2nd Vatican Council, so they’re completely on board with this whole thing now.

450372 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cranmer, #958 of 1267 🔗

They are lazy bastards just like public service cunts and teacher twats

450373 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Cranmer, 1, #959 of 1267 🔗

Just a little point, but if you are going to round the survival rate to zero decimal places then it is a 100% survival rate.

450321 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Liberty, 5, #960 of 1267 🔗

I’m not a Christian and wouldnt apply any particular label to my own spiritual/religious beliefs – but I also want to be on the side of good and feel I’ve done my little bit to make a difference.

450405 ▶▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to ElizaP, 1, #961 of 1267 🔗

Everyone’s contribution is crucial for this time, and any of us who oppose these measures are on the right side of history, but I am particularly disappointed at the church’s response.

450254 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 4, #962 of 1267 🔗

Yes I think there’s a danger that as more and more sheeple start going out and about, they will notice that people aren’t dropping dead and will assume that it’s down to the vaccines and social distancing/masks etc so may become even more compliant with masks.

450437 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Cranmer, #963 of 1267 🔗

Thats the message now. On PCR there was a report suggesting just that. It may have been a news report but the message was clear – the numbers are down because of the vaccine and the lockdown. Its dispiriting to think people are being fed this and believe it. Especially the old and the vulnerable.

450318 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 11, #964 of 1267 🔗

When I went in town yesterday – I noticed the mask-wearing ratio has gone up a lot – even in the streets (location Cardigan – ie small town in West Wales). Had two nasty little incidents whilst out too – someone I thought I was friendly with (albeit not a friend as such) came into a shop I was in and saw my mask-free face and couldnt make an excuse to get out of the shop fast enough! It was expected that when I walked past a “prize little b*tch” in the street subsequently she gave me A Look and, very deliberately, turned sideways and faced the shop window as I went past (a stunt I’ve never had pulled on me yet – but then I know what a ***** she is – so just burst out laughing at her and said “Idiot!” in response). But those two types of incident were both new ones to me – and I wondered what guff everyone has been fed in the propaganda over the last week or so to provoke the outbreak of increased outdoor masks. Little things like that are downers even – but I’m holding the faith….(NOT the Covidian one I hasten to add).

450333 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 5, #965 of 1267 🔗

There’s no zombie as zombified as a female Welsh zombie.

450499 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Annie, 3, #966 of 1267 🔗

Well, there’s my brother, a gay Welsh zombie.

450441 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to ElizaP, #967 of 1267 🔗

Good to hear Liz!

450369 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Seansaighdeoir, -4, #968 of 1267 🔗

Don’t listen to god bothering cunts

450396 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 5, #969 of 1267 🔗

I went to a big Tesco today (other ‘superstores’ are available) and was the only maskless adult there. It must have looked a bit like Moses parting the Red Sea as the crowds around me instinctively parted on the approach of a leper – a surreal and depressing experience.

Since I was last there they have posted ‘No mask, no entry’ signs, but the mystical power of a plastic card on a lanyard protected me from challenge. Phew.

Others have pointed out the parallels between ‘Covidians’ and religious zealots, but I’ve never felt it so strongly as today. Roll on summer!

450444 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #970 of 1267 🔗

It has been the same here. I live in a high covidian area and am regularly the only unmasked person in our shops. Went to a different area today and it was worse. I think the longer this goes the more extreme the response from those brainwashed by the narrative. Not sure summers is going to help but we have to hope!

450573 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DJ Dod, #971 of 1267 🔗

Well done for holding the line. I’ve been thinking how easy it would be to just wear a snood in the shops, ‘after all, lockdown’s ending in June’, but then I think no, lockdown probably ISN’T ending in June and if I back down now, I might have to wear a mask in the village shop for years.

450250 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 59, #972 of 1267 🔗

One of the more grimly humorous aspects of this whole sorry saga has been seeing the bien-pensant, PC class tying themselves in knots over the ‘new normal,’ eg:

  • Tories were bad – now, Tories ‘doing the best they can under difficult circumstances.
  • Closed borders were bad – now, closed borders good
  • EU travel restrictions were bad – now, EU travel restrictions good
  • EU government was better than UK government – now, UK government better because of faster vaccine rollout
  • Riots and demonstrations were a symbol of rebellion, now they are a far-right symbol of covid deniers and disease spreaders
  • My body my choice was sacrosanct – now, forced vaccination is good
  • Bames were never to be criticised – now Bames are naughty for doubting the vaccine
  • Disableds were never to be criticised – now they can be if their disability prevents them from wearing a mask
  • Mental health was the issue du jour – now it’s brushed under the carpet
  • Big trendy festivals eg Glasto were the place to be seen – now they are disease vectors
450260 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cranmer, 13, #973 of 1267 🔗

Big pharma was at best profoundly suspect, as evil corporate capitalist manipulators – now it’s saintly heroes, our saviours riding to the rescue.

Genetic modification was dangerous newfangled stuff that might kill us all just by allowing other people to eat it – now they’re queuing up to get it injected into their own bodies.

450279 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mark, 2, #974 of 1267 🔗

Good points. Remember the ‘anti-globalisation’ movement of the early 00s? That went all quiet didn’t it.

450307 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Cranmer, 2, #975 of 1267 🔗

Partly because of the atmosphere created after 9-11. Its high point was Genoa, which involved quite a crackdown by the Italian state.

450265 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cranmer, 11, #976 of 1267 🔗

Single use plastics bad – now oh no, I don’t mean that kind of plastic.

450271 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to bluemoon, 1, #977 of 1267 🔗

Oh yes, Ocado are collecting your plastic bags again….

450277 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to bluemoon, 5, #978 of 1267 🔗

Ah yes, I knew there was one I’d forgotten! Attenborough came out in support of Biden but he hasn’t mentioned billions of masks in the oceans, funny that.

450328 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cranmer, #979 of 1267 🔗

Doesn’t he know dolphins are choking to death on that rubbish!!

450363 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cranmer, 5, #980 of 1267 🔗

I loved him as a child I wish him dead now global warming peddler of bollocks

450268 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Cranmer, 4, #981 of 1267 🔗

Its amazing the human race has lasted so long

450285 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to DanClarke, 6, #982 of 1267 🔗

It’s a remnant now, displaced by the zombie race.

450303 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 1, #983 of 1267 🔗

So – now wonders if I should turn round to anyone trying to flog me something I don’t need or want (like the jab for instance) and go “Your tactics obviously only work on modern day humans – so you might as well pack your bags and leave me alone now”. Well – according to one of those daft Internet quizzes I did earlier today about “Who am I?” I got the answer back of “a Lemurian”. That’ll do nicely to tell any idiots that expect me to conform to all the Plandemic stuff LOL.

450332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to ElizaP, 2, #984 of 1267 🔗

Eloi ruled by, terrorised by, and ultimately devoured by Morlocks.

450284 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cranmer, 1, #985 of 1267 🔗

As doubleplusgood doublethinkers, none of the above can possibly have occurred to them.

450286 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Cranmer, 4, #986 of 1267 🔗

Sweden was the poster child of the “progressives” and Israel the ginger step-child – now Sweden is like the invisible country and Israel held up as leading the way on Vaccine and CovviPass rollout.

450427 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #987 of 1267 🔗

Is that the same Israeli apartheid state.Now they are instituting those policies under the guise of the vaccine not a peep from the usual suspects.
Their heads must be spinning with all the mental gymnastics going on.

450516 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #988 of 1267 🔗

It’s going to be a double-apartheid state soon with the unvaccinated as well as the Palestinians being discriminated against. I wonder who will be lower in society – an unvaccinated Jewish citizen or a vaccinated Palestinian?

450294 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Cranmer, 7, #989 of 1267 🔗

Billionaires were bad, to be eradicated and at best treated with suspicion – now they’re modern-day Mother Theresas who have our best interests at heart.

450255 isobar, replying to isobar, 9, #990 of 1267 🔗

Another great article from AIER. If those States can do it why can’t we?


450264 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to isobar, 4, #991 of 1267 🔗

Looks like we’ll have to set ourselves free

450393 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to isobar, 5, #992 of 1267 🔗

We now see the exact size and shape of the free world: 17 States of the U.S.A.

South Dakota
North Dakota
South Carolina

450399 ▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Tim Bidie, #993 of 1267 🔗

Not Wyoming? Had a wonderful tour which spent some tme there a few years ago. Would have thought it more individualistic and , well, rugged .Perhaps dominated by the yuppies of Jackson.

450257 Jo, replying to Jo, 47, #994 of 1267 🔗

I am really angry. I got the dreaded letter today from the NHS about the gene therapy.
I know, already posted earlier but they just assume you are going to get it. (Reminds me of the old TV licence “reminder” letters pre-internet that did not have an option for “I do not own a TV” – didn’t have one for nearly 20 years).
Why I am so angry is that in the leaflet you have to look really hard to find any mention of allergies and then it said that you should talk to your health professional. I don’t have a GP anymore.
IF I were uninformed and wanted to have the gene therapy, and did not know that many people with allergies have suffered severe reactions, I probably would not be any the wiser and would have gone ahead and booked the thing.
Thankfully I know better (of course would not have it even if I didn’t have the allergy.)
But I am furious because it is blatant and clear that all the NHS shits would much rather that I died of a serious reaction to it, rather than joined the ranks of the “decliners”.
This messianic adherence to a narrative is terrifying.

450261 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jo, 15, #995 of 1267 🔗

Tut tut. Remember you exist on sufferance, only in order to protect the holy arse of the God NHS.
NHS say you get snake oil, you get snake oil, yeah?

450266 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Jo, 12, #996 of 1267 🔗

In sales training the technique is called ‘assuming the sale’.

450295 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to rockoman, 3, #997 of 1267 🔗

Sounds like it would be a useful article on here to have one about the techniques sales people use generally – so their tactics are familiar to us.

450311 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to ElizaP, 3, #998 of 1267 🔗

That awful Telegraph article yesterday illustrated one common move:
‘I’m just like you. I feel just like you. Just like you, I was suspicious of timeshare/pyramid schemes/Nigerian princes/face coverings, but then I learnt…and now I know…and that’s why we…’

My toes were curling at the first sentence. It’s just door to door scam tactics.

450324 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to rockoman, #999 of 1267 🔗

Inertia selling.

450291 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Jo, 4, #1000 of 1267 🔗

Got the letter today too. It’s gone straight in the bin, followed by another letter offering me life insurance 🙂

450302 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1001 of 1267 🔗

Surprised you didn’t get one about buying a funeral plan too!

450306 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1002 of 1267 🔗

That will probably arrive in Monday’s post. I also got one from the NHS, recommending signing up to Lloyds Chemist prescription. The literature would seem to suggest by-passing the doctors’ surgery altogether, quelle surprise.

450528 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #1003 of 1267 🔗

You get the “I almost spit out my coffee laughing” award today! I can count on at least one a day here on LS. Helps keep me sane.

450310 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Jo, 3, #1004 of 1267 🔗

filed under “aga”

450315 ▶▶ isobar, replying to Jo, 4, #1005 of 1267 🔗

As per earlier post, I had the same letter. Email being drafted to my MP, who to give him credit, has always replied to my correspondence without fail, pointing out how this assumed compliance is unethical and potentially violates the Nuremberg Code.

450394 ▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Jo, 4, #1006 of 1267 🔗

Jo , no need to get angry or frightened. Every 2 weeks for the past year i have had a letter from SSE saying that the smart meter for my address is at the depot with my name on it already to be installed . I just have to circle the date on the card. The card goes into the bin. By now SSE have got the message ,but they still send the cards
I seriously doubt that there is any human involvement at all in that campaign , just computers running programs on a loop. Same with the vaccine “invitation” . Dont be frightened of a bit of silicon and a program written by a teenager who has long gone onto other and hopefully more fulfilling work.

450420 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to mikewaite, 5, #1007 of 1267 🔗

I have had numerous texts, emails and a couple of phone calls pushing a smart meter on me.If they are that keen then it’s not for my benefit.

450452 ▶▶▶▶ sophie123, replying to jonathan Palmer, 11, #1008 of 1267 🔗

Snap. Why do I need a smart meter? I have a brain. I can take a meter reading and I know which appliances use up lots of electricity.

450554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to sophie123, 2, #1009 of 1267 🔗

I kept getting invitations to have a smart meter fitted. I told them we live way beyond the range of wifi technology so a meter wouldn’t work. They carried on, regardless. Eventually, I allowed them to book me an appointment. The engineer came all the way out here to the middle of nowhere and said “sorry, you can’t have a smart meter because there’s no wifi.” I said, “I know and now you do too.” Nothing since.

450593 ▶▶▶▶▶ lost in inner space, replying to sophie123, 3, #1010 of 1267 🔗

Smart meters aren’t to help you, they are to help energy companies with energy rationing and half hour pricing estimates.

450470 ▶▶ fiery, replying to Jo, 2, #1011 of 1267 🔗

I wish there was an option of having my name and address removed from the NHS database. I’ve also received the dreaded letter which remains unopened. I might tick the box addressee no longer at this address and post back although I imagine this will send them into a spin.
I am absolutely sick of the letters about various health screening tests which periodically land on my doormat and the ‘an appointment has been made for you’ ones fill me with rage. It’s a scary tactic designed to make people feel they have to comply. The opt out process is deliberately made difficult with a separate form for each health screening and isn’t easy to find. If anyone knows how you can de register from yours GP please let me know.

450547 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Jo, 2, #1012 of 1267 🔗

Mrs F is being pestered by post and phone despite the fact that she has had two auto-immune conditions in the past fifteen years: thyroiditis (Riedel’s) and GCA. No consideration has been given as to whether experimental gene therapy would be sensible; not even a mention. Just, “come and be stabbed because we’ve got to get the numbers up and if we don’t get the numbers up it will be your fault when we have to start experimenting on children.” Actually they didn’t say that in so many words but it’s only a matter of time.

450280 Boris Buffoon, 21, #1013 of 1267 🔗

Just got back from a second visit to my local hospital in South Africa. Nasty parasite infection! OK – I pay but it’s a delight; spotless, very pleasant staff and no queues.

I looked into the covid ward again. Empty. No sign of the deadly variant and I didn’t have to step over any bodies.

Johnson and his crew are scapegoating the third world for political points scoring. Shame there is no a valid alternative. Starmer pathetic. Pity Lord Sutch isn’t with us to put forward sensible policies like go out, have a beer and a good laugh. He’d be splitting his sides at the antics of the clowns running the country.

450299 Adamb, replying to Adamb, 18, #1014 of 1267 🔗

Laurence Fox running for London mayor, in part on an ‘end lockdown now’ platform. Will be interested to see how he gets on.


450300 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Adamb, 1, #1015 of 1267 🔗

Brian Rose would be better.

450304 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Adamb, 15, #1016 of 1267 🔗

The field is getting too crowded now. I would much rather he and Piers Corbyn had got behind David Kurten.

450314 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1017 of 1267 🔗

the establishment dont want David

450322 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to pub with no beer, 15, #1018 of 1267 🔗

That’s a good reason to vote for him.

450515 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to pub with no beer, 1, #1019 of 1267 🔗

I doubt they’d want Lawrence Fox either.

450339 ▶▶ Adamb, replying to Adamb, 7, #1020 of 1267 🔗

I have to say the conservative candidate Shaun Bailey seems like a decent fellow, but on principle I will not vote for anyone associated with what has happened over the past year.

450390 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Adamb, 4, #1021 of 1267 🔗

With David Kurten running too it will only split the vote. Plus Fox is compromised by his position on the “vaccines”.

450403 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Adamb, 5, #1022 of 1267 🔗

The anti-lockdowners should agree on one candidate.

450424 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Adamb, #1023 of 1267 🔗

They’ll use the Dominion voting machines just in case.

450308 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 3, #1024 of 1267 🔗

The Mail has referred to Piers Bullyboy Morgan getting the jab as a historic moment.

450320 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mic67, 28, #1025 of 1267 🔗

Will the mRNA have a serious adverse reaction to him?

450336 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1026 of 1267 🔗

Good one!

450354 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Londo Mollari, 22, #1027 of 1267 🔗

The mRNA should have had to give informed consent before being injected to that body.

450361 ▶▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #1028 of 1267 🔗

Best comment today

450469 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1029 of 1267 🔗

Brilliant. There’s a good meme to be had with that idea.

450376 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #1030 of 1267 🔗

There’s no mRNA in the AstraZeneca version. mRNA is in the Pfizer and Moderna versions.

450388 ▶▶▶▶ isobar, replying to John, 2, #1031 of 1267 🔗

No mRNA but DNA in the AZ ‘vaccine’ experimental gene therapy all the same. Same for the J&J ‘vaccine’

450337 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Mic67, 17, #1032 of 1267 🔗

Hope the cunt dies

450384 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jaguarpig, 4, #1033 of 1267 🔗


450345 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Mic67, 2, #1034 of 1267 🔗

World’s gone mad

450391 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Mic67, 2, #1035 of 1267 🔗

Maybe it will turn him into a nice person. Not holding out much hope though.

450402 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to disgruntled246, 3, #1036 of 1267 🔗

Maybe if he seriously ill through the ‘vaccine’

450514 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Mic67, #1037 of 1267 🔗

Oh god give me strength

450638 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mic67, #1038 of 1267 🔗

Are we hoping he gets the lethal version?

450312 Nymeria, replying to Nymeria, 13, #1039 of 1267 🔗

The local hardware shop was doing brisk business this afternoon. They put a table outside the door and serve from there. All out in the fresh air, yet there was a long line of zombies masked up, waiting to be served. I just despair.

450317 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1040 of 1267 🔗

luckily my DIY local shop is awake

450350 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to pub with no beer, 6, #1041 of 1267 🔗

Mine most definitely is not. They have a sign on the door stating that proof of exemption must be provided. Strange that, considering they serve outside. It’s this kind of nonsense which sends me off the rails.

450362 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Nymeria, 3, #1042 of 1267 🔗

And of course there is no official proof – merely easily acquired cards. Bizarre!

450367 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to iane, 1, #1043 of 1267 🔗

They don’t know the law – or pretend they don’t know when it suits them.

450416 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to iane, 1, #1044 of 1267 🔗

Indeed. The stupidity of some folk never fails to astound me. Perhaps one day, when my tolerance levels are strong enough, I will take issue with hardware store owner.

450474 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Nymeria, 13, #1045 of 1267 🔗

That is clearly a breach of the Equality Act 2010. I wrote to 2 local shops that did this and politely and non-confrontationally explained the law to them and as recommended by another LS member that if they replaced mask exempted person with a black person or a muslim that it is clearly discrimination. I also pointed out there is no such thing as proof of exemption and quoted the relevant sections from the government guidance and the actual regulations. They both removed the signs and replaced them with ones that added after ‘masks must be worn’ – ‘unless exempt’. I did the same to Sainsburys by writing to their Chief Executive. Same result. Small victories but sweet ones!

450476 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1046 of 1267 🔗

Thank you for your work. I’ve been writing countless emails etc but as far as I know it’s had no effect – good to know someone’s had a clear result!

450539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1047 of 1267 🔗

These are more than small victories; they are significant achievements because they permanently change things and make life easier for others. Well done.

450543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to ShropshireLass, #1048 of 1267 🔗

Well done. I think that at the moment, I’m just too weary of trying to educate the morons. Sick and tired of it, in fact.

451168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Nymeria, #1049 of 1267 🔗

Yes, Nymeria, I must admit I have grown very weary too recently after spending a full 12 months on the same mission (I am a qualified researcher so have been exasperated at the behaviour of the government, media and lack of challenges from even some of my intelligent colleagues and friends – especially those who refused even to read or listen to any of the evidence I shared with them. Have lost quite a few friends as a result and am now shunned by some of my former work colleagues and clients). I have also just deactivated my Facebook account because the ignorance and stupidity of many posts and comments from local community groups and a few brainwashed friends was causing me too much anger, annoyance and stress to the point I ran up a £300 dental bill from damage caused by grinding my teeth!

So grateful to have access to LS and rational, sensible, informed, ‘normal’ people:). I have also joined the Time for Recovery group and the Covid-19 Assembly mentioned in previous LS newsletters and have carried out some research work for them, which stops me from feeling completely helpless.

450323 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 37, #1050 of 1267 🔗


“This will get interesting in June, when most who want the vaccine will have gotten it, and they’ll be faced with having to be around and socialize with those who haven’t. My own limited perspective from a substantial majority of my own friends and family is that it’s going to be the cause of fractured friendships and relationships, likely permanently.

They’re not going to want to come near me, not because they’re afraid of becoming sick, but because my very presence will be a reminder of their submission.

450330 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to rockoman, 10, #1051 of 1267 🔗

Your friends and family may know or feel they can ask of course but acquaintances, colleagues and strangers you get talking to won’t and will probably just assume you have partaken of the Jab of Joy because well why wouldn’t you?

450353 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #1052 of 1267 🔗

Jab of Joy – love it!

450357 ▶▶▶▶ iane, replying to Old Trout, 1, #1053 of 1267 🔗

Sounds a bit risky!

450386 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #1054 of 1267 🔗

I have decided that if questioned my line is going to be ‘I can honestly say I did not have any after effects of a covid jab’. Which will be true.

450734 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to disgruntled246, #1055 of 1267 🔗

Nice one – we can use semantics if they can!

450346 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to rockoman, 4, #1056 of 1267 🔗

Guess we’ll be finding out who our true friends are.

450360 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1057 of 1267 🔗

And the others may be dropping like flies if the jabs cause serious long-term problems. Still, we must be happy for Gates in that case!

450484 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nymeria, #1058 of 1267 🔗

Reckon we just about know by now ?

450546 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to JohnB, #1059 of 1267 🔗

Oh, there are bound to be more surprises, John. We’ll see what happens when the subject of “my vaccination invitation is in the bin” comes about.

450520 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nymeria, 9, #1060 of 1267 🔗

I was just talking to my hubby about this. I have a friend with Lupus and we’ve managed to stay friends, but I predict she will be one of those people who will only socialize with the vaccinated. Oh well, bye bye. I’m at the point with both family and friends that if they think medical apartheid is OK then these are not people I want anything to do with. I’m in a bad mood today — I stupidly read the comments section on an article about vaccine passports in one of our national newspapers. It appears most people believe we need to be microchipped like dogs in order to get our freedoms back…and they don’t even see the contradiction. I do despair some days.

450534 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1061 of 1267 🔗

Hear you there sister. That was my conclusion from my evening discussion with family yesterday.
Ps thank you for your kind words to my post last night, saw your reply later and it really helped.

450600 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #1062 of 1267 🔗

We will continue to lift each other up! Gosh I wish you ladies lived closer…

450565 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #1063 of 1267 🔗

I’ll just say good riddance to anyone who no longer wishes to associate with me because of my non-vaccinated state. Am fortunate to have a decent amount of friends who are like-minded.

450613 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nymeria, #1064 of 1267 🔗

You’re fortunate to have like-minded friends. I’m trying to avoid the “vaccine” discussion because I know it might be a game changer. I’ve got my husband, thank goodness, and I’m pretty sure my family won’t stop seeing me. We’re living rurally now and so I don’t see people nearly as often anyway, so it’s good that I’m OK being isolated!

450624 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #1065 of 1267 🔗

In amongst those like-minded friends, are some who are totally dismissive of the idea of conspiracy theories. They go along with the government narrative, but are happy enough to break the ‘rules’ when it suits, typically on a Friday night when we get together. They’re not hardline zealots, but certainly not on the same wavelength as me regarding my stance on this shit show. I’m pretty certain they’re not bothered about the fact I am unvaccinated. The other friends I hang around with are hardline anti-lockdown, and they definitely won’t be getting jabbed either. There may be some difficulties with one of my sisters in particular, but we don’t live close by and rarely see each other anyway. You are lucky to be living rural, Lisa. I am desperate to escape to the wilderness for a while and not have to keep seeing masks and zombies everywhere.

450660 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1066 of 1267 🔗

Moving has been my saviour. I would have seriously lost my shit living in a condo in downtown Toronto even though it was on two levels and had a terrace. We re-located “temporarily” to our country place in early May last year and never looked back. It was sad because we’d sold our house, the kids were gone, and we bought the condo so we could more easily travel without having to worry about a house. We spent quite a bit on decorating and making it exactly what I wanted, only to sell it less than a year later. No regrets though; there is absolutely nothing for me in the city. I can go days and weeks without leaving my property and not seeing anyone in a mask. We have friends here but I’m finding it harder to socialize because it’s stressful to self-censor. I need sceptic friends like you’ve got!

450364 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to rockoman, 6, #1067 of 1267 🔗

You’re right, except for the fact that you’re not obliged to tell them. I am holding out, and will do so till what I perceive is ”the end”. Until then, I’ll answer with the question of it being a ”medical decision” or ”personal”. I won’t get into an argument because that’s exactly what is wanted by our ”masters”. Divide and rule. I’m not going to pay their game. I’ll play my own.

450466 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to rockoman, 4, #1068 of 1267 🔗

I’m just going to tell the truth: I have had Covid-19 and although the antibodies circulating in my bloodstream will have faded by now, my B and T memory cells will remember the virus and any future variants for many years so they will protect me, and to keep my immune system in tip top condition I take vitamin D supplements.

450575 ▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to ShropshireLass, #1069 of 1267 🔗

Apologies for the predictable question from me, Shropshire Lass: had you had a flu jab at any time?

451152 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Portnadler, #1070 of 1267 🔗

Yes, I had had the flu jab each year in September after I caught the seasonal flu in 2014 and have never been so ill – I developed a bacterial infection on top of it and almost died. When I went back to work 2 months later I had to work part time for another 4 months. Had the flu vaccine as normal in September 2019, then caught Covid-19 in December 2019 when doing some research work with a group of other researchers who had arrived from China just 2 days before, (one was from Wuhan and the one who had a persistent cough), the next day he developed a mild fever. A week later I fell sick too with a persistent dry cough in the throat, the next day developing a mild fever, headache and losing my sense of taste and smell. Day 3 felt a bit lethargic but the fever and headache had gone (had taken paracetamol). Day 4 felt much better and continued to recover rapidly. Cough reduced but it was over a week before it faded away completely, though it remained in the throat and did not go to my chest (had slept propped up on 3 pillows at night). Have felt worse from bad colds, so I didn’t think much of it and continued to work through, apart from – well that is clearly a new virus, never had anything like that before. After talking to the Chinese researchers, it wasn’t until I did some personal research myself in January – nothing to do with the one the group of us had been working on – that I realised it must have been the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Then in February 2020 the news kicked off in the press. Later I went to get an antibody test and I had antibodies to Covid-19, which confirmed the virus I had had in December was indeed Covid-19. 2020 did not have the flu vaccine, but have been taking vitamin D, C and zinc supplements since September instead.

450329 creakycraner, replying to creakycraner, 6, #1071 of 1267 🔗

Genuine question that has got me ticking – thought someone on here probably knows. What actually happens to the samples people are giving for NHS Test & Trace (or whatever it is called) in regards to after testing for Sars CoV2. Do we know that the whole sample gets destroyed after a certain time? What information do they take beyond the necessary RNA/DNA to determine Sars CoV2 and can they keep hold of that for any other purpose? I have tried looking all over the net and can’t find any indication of what happens to the sample after it has been tested for the virus…..

450334 ▶▶ isobar, replying to creakycraner, 10, #1072 of 1267 🔗

This is really good question. Can’t help but feel that PCR testing was maybe a back door method to establishing a National DNA database.

450349 ▶▶▶ creakycraner, replying to isobar, 1, #1073 of 1267 🔗

That’d what I wonder too…. Do they have/isolate your DNA? In order to identify the virus? I have so many questions and cannot find a scrap online about it.

Has anyone here been tested and can recall – is there a consent form with this info on it? Did you sign anything/have anything explained to your prior or after being tested?

450385 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to isobar, 2, #1074 of 1267 🔗

Remember the SI they put through for exactly that last year?

450398 ▶▶▶▶ creakycraner, replying to leggy, #1075 of 1267 🔗

Sorry, SI leggy?

450407 ▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to creakycraner, 2, #1076 of 1267 🔗

Statuary Instrument.Rule by decree in the House of Commons.

450408 ▶▶▶▶ creakycraner, replying to leggy, 2, #1077 of 1267 🔗

The Retention of Fingerprint and DNA profile under Coronavirus act?

450500 ▶▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to creakycraner, 1, #1078 of 1267 🔗

Yep. Because retaining DNA and fingerprints is completely relevant to tackling an epidemic right?

450358 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to creakycraner, #1079 of 1267 🔗

Isn’t it beyond belief that ANYONE could have handed over ANYTHING personal to people they don’t know?
That’s the bottom line, and that’s what makes me feel utterly depressed.

450368 ▶▶ John, replying to creakycraner, 1, #1080 of 1267 🔗

Your DNA will be on the swab. Whether this is isolated and stored has never been stated. However, it is possible that your DNA, if isolated, may be legally stored under one of the more recent security laws, IIRC this can be up to 12 weeks (don’t quote me on this). This was another reason why I didn’t volunteer to be tested.

450517 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to John, #1081 of 1267 🔗

Interesting…they caught the BTK (well proved it was definitively him) by subpoenaing the DNA on his poor daughters cervical smear test that had been stored.
I was also following a case in California where is turned out that they stored the blood from every single newborn babies’ heel prick test since like 1981.

450397 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to creakycraner, 15, #1082 of 1267 🔗

I wouldn’t get too paranoid. The NHS can’t organise a piss up in a brewery. It’s not even that certain your test result is your test result.

450418 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1083 of 1267 🔗

good thing it ain’t the anal swab. That would be a logistical nightmare!

450570 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1084 of 1267 🔗

A posteriori.

450645 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to creakycraner, #1085 of 1267 🔗

Good question. How about bothering your MP with that one? We need at least to make them think – or feel a tad uncomfortable.

450352 franknhonest, replying to franknhonest, 16, #1086 of 1267 🔗

When I get my vaccine invitation I’ll burn it and put the video on YouTube with some commentary!

450378 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to franknhonest, 16, #1087 of 1267 🔗

Got mine today, as it happens. Filed it away and if chased will say I am waiting for the end of the trial period in 2023 and will decide then. However am feeling a bit disconsolate as whatsapp group of some of my dearest friends are pushing like crazy, one has announced with great glee that she managed to book both her appointments on line, another has said she will push people aside to get hers (she is not yet of the age – I would give her mine to be honest) because she’s sick of lockdown. Well she’s in for a shock after she gets the jab and we’re still locked down. I have made light of my age with a facetious remark but I can feel some uncomfortable moments incoming when we meet up.

450410 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to franknhonest, 5, #1088 of 1267 🔗

I used a cross shredder on mine, did a nice job

450464 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to franknhonest, 11, #1089 of 1267 🔗

I’ve put mine and accompanying (utterly patronising) leaflet away safely till they start chasing me, then I shall endeavour to waste their time by going through it in detail and asking awkward questions.
Throw just a little sand in the gears.

450535 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 7, #1090 of 1267 🔗

It is indeed patronising, particularly when they tell you that “experts recommend …etc.” No mention of which experts or what they might be expert in. Just this bloody condescending attitude which might as well say, “People who are cleverer than you recommend that you must do as you are told.”
Damn them all.

450512 ▶▶ Janette, replying to franknhonest, 3, #1091 of 1267 🔗

Excellent good idea

450523 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Janette, 16, #1092 of 1267 🔗

Vaccine call –
Caller: Can we book in your Covid vaccine appointment?
Me: Oh lovely. Will it stop me getting Covid?
Caller: No …..
Me: Will it stop me transmitting Covid?
C: No …..
Me: Can I go out and see my friends and family?
C: No ……
Me: Can I stop wearing a mask?
C: No …..
Me: Can I stop social distancing?
C: No …..
Me: Have the stage 3 trials ended yet?
C: No ……
Me: Can you tell me the 2-10 year outcomes?
C: No…..
Me: Are the pharmaceutical companies liable for any side effects or health damages?
C: No…..
Me: Can you tell me why I should have it then?
C: …………blah…. So can we book your appointment?
Me: No!

450533 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1093 of 1267 🔗

Brilliant. made a note of this TY.

Been thinking of what approach to take when I get the call. was thinking of something along your lines, maybe adding:
Me: “True or false.. compared to this experimental procedure you are advocating, I would be equally protected against the possible effects of covid, if I drank some green tea, took some quality vitamin D tablets, & had a bag of oranges & kiwi fruits?” 🙂

450558 ▶▶▶▶ houdini, replying to Andrea Salford, 3, #1094 of 1267 🔗

C :Your choice of course.
However your refusal is noted on our database and you will lose citizenship privileges including work ,travel ,leisure and healthcare.
This conversation has been monitored for training purposes.

450579 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to houdini, 1, #1095 of 1267 🔗

And quality control!

450583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to houdini, 2, #1096 of 1267 🔗

Me: Can’t lose what you haven’t got – since saving the NHS I’ve already lost them.

450375 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 61, #1097 of 1267 🔗

The Times is whinging about parents not giving consent for their children to be tested – fuelled by antivaxxers, apparently.

What do they not understand about the word “consent”? It actually means you don’t have to do something. It means it’s your choice. It doesn’t mean that you need to be hounded and abused and penalised until you do. That would in fact be “mandatory”. Difficult concept I know.

450392 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1099 of 1267 🔗

These lockdownistas are happy to lockdown for others until they encounter the fact that others actually have their own Will and then they hate them.

450436 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #1100 of 1267 🔗

Children should be off limits

450440 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Freddy Boy, 5, #1101 of 1267 🔗

They want to stick the flipping jab in them. Hopefully this is the tipping point for those who aren’t already awake.

450492 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #1102 of 1267 🔗

You would have thought so !

450486 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1103 of 1267 🔗

Apparently the whole system went tits up yesterday afternoon, people being sent wrong test results, people who hadn’t even been tested being sent results.
Best off out of it.

450382 V, 2, #1104 of 1267 🔗

New Israeli drug cured 29 of 30 moderate/serious COVID cases in days — hospital

450395 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 34, #1105 of 1267 🔗


What do they not get

Vaccinated -can get the virus and spread it
Not vaccinated – can get the virus and spread it

If worried , don’t go .

450400 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to arfurmo, 7, #1106 of 1267 🔗

Comments disabled. What a surprise? NOT!

450404 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1107 of 1267 🔗

“A lot of us want to urge government to follow the example set up already in other areas, like travel, where people will have to show vaccination passports ,” set up already?

450406 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to arfurmo, 15, #1108 of 1267 🔗

Organisers who take that line deserve to go bankrupt. If the passport system is as efficient as the rest of this country I think they will.

450411 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Noumenon, 13, #1109 of 1267 🔗

The expensive flop of track ‘n’ trace may indicate that something similar could happen with Vaccine Passports. Won’t stop them trying though.

450435 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Noumenon, 2, #1110 of 1267 🔗

They will be lent on by handycock !!

450412 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 13, #1111 of 1267 🔗

Many festivals are SERIOUSLY terrible anyway. Really really terrible. I would not go to most of them anyway for loads of reasons. Things like:
Over the top security and Police harassment
Not enough bogs
Terrible camping
Expensive drinks
Can’t bring your own booze-Bag searches
Masses of camping chairs and pic-nik blanket in front of stages and people sitting down or even worse lying down and asleep
Too many people in arenas, packed in tightly
not enough bars, huge queues
Reading Rock is a terrible festival

The age group of your average festival go-er is YOUNG so good luck finding your punters, I would say.

450430 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1112 of 1267 🔗

Even when I was of that age, I knew they were a rip-off waste-of-time and wondered why anyone could be taken in by them. Peer group pressure? The same pressure that makes people think that ”vaccines” are a good thing without actually doing your own research?

450455 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1113 of 1267 🔗

I went to the very last Stonehenge Free Festival in 1984. That was pretty amazing. Glastonbury never appealed though – too commercialised and full of woke celebrity types.

450525 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1114 of 1267 🔗

Not to start with and even well into the 80s it was fine: big enough for anyone and everyone to do their own thing and never go to the main stage at all. Which I mostly didn’t except on a couple of occassions (for Dr. John and later, Joe Cocker). Things began to decline when the security wall went up. The spirit changed. I last went in ’95 and I knew I’d never go back. Good memories though and I’m glad I have them. That vast valley as the sun went down and the firesmoke hung in the June evening air ….

450576 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Steve F, 1, #1115 of 1267 🔗

I would imagine the early days of Glastonbury were great, Steve. There’s just something about the air on a warm June evening.

450588 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Nymeria, 1, #1116 of 1267 🔗

It was an inland sea of tents and flags and woodsmoke. And the endless throb of music coming at you from all directions. People wrapped in blankets and a midsummer dream that never really leaves you (as you might be able to tell!) Really special. Thought it would last forever.
I regret never making it to Stonehenge but knew people who did. One of my long lost friends took a garden shed on a trailer instead of a tent. That’s festival style, that is.

450594 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Steve F, 1, #1117 of 1267 🔗

Oh, Stonehenge was wonderful, Steve. No police on site, just everyone doing their own thing. Hawkwind playing on mid-summer’s eve….life was so good then.

450460 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1118 of 1267 🔗

IMO these festivals are just Ascot, Henley etc for the woke set.

450511 ▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1119 of 1267 🔗

I used to really like festivals or at least the smaller less corporate ones. Most of them now are full of conventional people pretending to be unconventional.

450433 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1120 of 1267 🔗

What a surprise , amazing that most festivals before August are cancelled but after that loads of tickets sold !! I surmised that this stipulation would happen , another avenue of coercion to target a younger demographic !!..

450443 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1121 of 1267 🔗

Prop-a-guardian. If this happens, this will be the end of live events.

450487 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #1122 of 1267 🔗

Both my sons are musicians in their 20,s we have lived live music events in all types of venues all over the uk for over 15 years as their careers developed , I’m worried that we might not see live music etc happen properly again , whatever the consensus on festivals we need the young to be living or there’s no future !!!

450446 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 12, #1123 of 1267 🔗

annnnnd so what’s the point anyway?
Are we not going to be in large groups in the open air in other situations? Probably, how about watching a street performance? Will we need vac passports to stand watching a busker? How about a tractor show, or a village fete? No jab no village fate?

This is just more psy-op isn’t it. More bullshit to push the jab rate.

450450 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Two-Six, 8, #1124 of 1267 🔗

I wonder if the next suggestion is a passport to actually step outside your house.

450458 ▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cumbriacracked, 5, #1125 of 1267 🔗

A QR code at your door is the logical corollary of all those in commercial premises.

450506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 2, #1126 of 1267 🔗

Sadly yes, but that was tried with the track and trace, didn’t work very well thank goodness.

450586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1127 of 1267 🔗

Quite. Thankfully it didn’t work, but the regime will be learning from their mistakes.

450631 ▶▶▶▶▶ awildgoose, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1128 of 1267 🔗

Which is pointless.

If the authorities wanted to track us now they could just pull the IMEI and GPS data our phones already report to Google and Apple and map it against GIS datasets for a town or region.

Oh wait, I forgot I’m dealing with the Covidian idiot religion.

450490 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1129 of 1267 🔗

It’s coming 🤬

450480 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1130 of 1267 🔗

Uh, with all the streaming options that have become normalized they really think festivals are going to return to their prior form?

450409 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 16, #1131 of 1267 🔗

Are GP’s and MP’s obsolete now?

450413 ▶▶ Noumenon, replying to DanClarke, 15, #1132 of 1267 🔗

Yes, their expertise is no longer required having been replaced by salesmen and algorithms.

450419 ▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Noumenon, 5, #1133 of 1267 🔗

self inflicted

450421 ▶▶▶▶ Noumenon, replying to DanClarke, 2, #1134 of 1267 🔗

Hence why I’ve no sympathy.

450626 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DanClarke, 1, #1135 of 1267 🔗

Have been for months!

450423 V, replying to V, 2, #1136 of 1267 🔗

Antibody-based drugs and vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) are being expedited through preclinical and clinical development.

Data from the study of SARS-CoV and other respiratory viruses suggest that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could exacerbate COVID-19 through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).

Previous respiratory syncytial virus and dengue virus vaccine studies revealed human clinical safety risks related to ADE, resulting in failed vaccine trials.


One potential hurdle for antibody-based vaccines and therapeutics is the risk of exacerbating COVID-19 severity via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).


Safety concerns for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were initially fuelled by mouse studies that showed enhanced immunopathology, or ERD, in animals vaccinated with SARS-CoV following viral challenge


450445 ▶▶ V, replying to V, 3, #1137 of 1267 🔗

ADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other human respiratory virus infections including RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based interventions. However, clinical data has not yet fully established a role for ADE in human COVID-19 pathology.

450425 Alice, replying to Alice, 2, #1138 of 1267 🔗
450428 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Alice, 1, #1139 of 1267 🔗

Let me guess, ban all vehicles?

450432 ▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1140 of 1267 🔗

Not yet – they want “20 mph speed limit on all roads with pavement”.

450438 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Alice, 3, #1141 of 1267 🔗

“All vehicles being driven in the area of Camden MUST have installed square padded safety masks on the corners and on the front and rear of the vehicle at all times. No exemptions..”

450449 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1142 of 1267 🔗

Padded safety masks (at least 2 of).

450447 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Alice, 4, #1143 of 1267 🔗

Thanks Alice. Interestingly there have been studies which say when there are no road signs, road furniture or pavements the general speeds of vehicles is lower.

450453 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1144 of 1267 🔗

Indeed. I believe the Dutch have implemented it in some cities. It encourages drivers (and pedestrians) to accept personal responsibility rather than subcontracting it out to officialdom in the form of signage and traffic management systems.

450471 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, #1145 of 1267 🔗

I imagine it’s only possible with low volumes of traffic. It wouldn’t work on Euston Rd! Londoners will know what I’m talking about. For potential visitors – definitely not recommended.

450503 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Alice, #1146 of 1267 🔗

Having experienced Euston Road I can see your point!

450502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 3, #1147 of 1267 🔗

Yes it was in The Netherlands I saw it, disconcerting first of all but did seem to work.

We have our own similar layout certainly in rural areas, it is called “road potholes” guaranteed to make even the fastest driver slow down if they want their car to survive!

450472 ▶▶▶▶ Skippy, replying to Alice, 4, #1148 of 1267 🔗

Pedal powered clown cars 🚗 beep fucking beep

450508 ▶▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Alice, 3, #1149 of 1267 🔗

20 limits, when people actually bother to observe them, are a complete nightmare for cyclists – the last thing you want is a car keeping pace alongside you.

450559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Portnadler, replying to A Heretic, 2, #1150 of 1267 🔗

I’m a cyclist. I like it when I see a 20 mph speed limit (though I’ve never understood why motorists need to be told to slow down around pedestrians and cyclists).

But it’s no use being a cyclist if you cannot leave home (except to cycle …). And that I think is where we agree.

450648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to Portnadler, #1151 of 1267 🔗

Really? You like having a 3.5 tonne van sitting on your back wheel trying to get past when they can only legally go slightly faster than you…

450646 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stevey, replying to A Heretic, #1152 of 1267 🔗

Tell me about it. Our delivery vans are all speed monitored and cyclists can be nightmares on some of the 20mph zones when you can only go 1 or 2 mph faster than the cyclist.

450454 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Alice, 2, #1153 of 1267 🔗

Fits right in with the globalist desire to limit all travel for the plebes.

450493 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Alice, 1, #1154 of 1267 🔗

Camden are the worst London Borough in a tough field.They despise motorists.

450541 ▶▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to jonathan Palmer, 1, #1155 of 1267 🔗

I’m reminded of the fears that were created by the first train on the Manchester to Liverpool railway line. To protect people from the new technology, they had a man with a red flag walk in front of the train for safety.

The train ran him over.

450563 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Richy_m_99, 1, #1156 of 1267 🔗

Sounds like an urban myth to me. I don’t think trains needed a red flag – that was motor cars. You may be thinking of MP William Huskisson, who was mortally injured by a train on the opening of the Liverpool to Manchester line in 1830.

450612 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to jonathan Palmer, #1157 of 1267 🔗

This is the same council that keeps their Christmas lights on all year round, I kid you not. Visit Camben in June and see it for yourself.

450567 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Alice, #1158 of 1267 🔗

Surely driving is the least likely thing to reduce road deaths?

450439 disgruntled246, replying to disgruntled246, 36, #1159 of 1267 🔗

Many of the people rushing with the most enthusiasm towards the vaccine centres are those who previously would have been extremely sceptical about anything any government, let alone a Conservative (in name, anyway) one proposed. It is truly like some sort of mass hypnosis has taken place.

450459 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to disgruntled246, 20, #1160 of 1267 🔗

It does seem they’ve forgotten it’s about a fast-vanishing and mild virus – even if they ever knew in the first place. This has been manipulation on a grand scale – and unfortunately it’s just shown us how shallow and uneducated and gullible most people are.

I doubt very much that any one of them would be able to tell you WHY they need this vaccine.

450465 ▶▶ Jonny S., replying to disgruntled246, 15, #1161 of 1267 🔗

Fear is a great control method.

While the ONS figures show that the healthy under 60’s are statistically at no risk from dying of covid people are crying with relief at being given a jab that doesn’t stop you getting covid.

450549 ▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Jonny S., 3, #1162 of 1267 🔗

Yes it’s amazing isn’t it! Why aren’t they doing research before putting this shit in their bodies???

450591 ▶▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Janette, 3, #1163 of 1267 🔗

They’re too stupid or too lazy, Janette.

450467 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to disgruntled246, 12, #1164 of 1267 🔗

I think it’s because politics had already moved beyond the Labour/Conservative axis. Now it’s more about nanny state/big government v independent thinking/libertarianism/small government; the Lockdowns are manna from heaven for those who crave the former position.

450483 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Cranmer, 3, #1165 of 1267 🔗

It’s an interesting conundrum. The friend who is most at the forefront of the ‘yay, vaccine’ crowd would have completely denigrated anything pro-Tory normally. Perhaps she wants the state to tell her what to do, and now the Tories are the ones doing that, it’s OK.

450498 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #1166 of 1267 🔗

I actually think most of the zealots have totally forgotten there is a government inducing the fear. Everything is just covid covid covid, nothing else matters, most of the people haven’t given it a thought which party is in power.

450557 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to disgruntled246, 3, #1167 of 1267 🔗

What’s odd is that I am sure the generation of youngsters I belong to who were sixth formers/undergraduates around 1990 would never have conformed to compulsory lockdowns and vaccination by a Tory government. What has happened to that generation? There’s been an almost complete change from libertarianism (albeit left-libertarianism, but still) to authoritarianism within a generation. I imagine this is what happened to most of the Regency libertines once High Victorian morality took over.

450603 ▶▶▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to Cranmer, 2, #1168 of 1267 🔗

We were the ecstacy generation before we joined the rat race, much like those who grew up in the 60s and dabbled in weed and LSD. I’d guess that there’s a similar split in the generation who preceeded us.

I have long thought that those who have expanded their mind beyond alcohol are deeper thinkers who are sceptical of many things, especially authority.

It is a complete oxymoron that I would entertain recreational drugs but wouldn’t go anywhere near the snake oil being peddled as a cure for this nonsense.

450477 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #1169 of 1267 🔗

It is truly like some sort of mass hypnosis has taken place.

Mass hypnosis has indeed taken place.

What would you expect to see, disgruntled, people walking about cross-eyed with their arms up as if sleepwalking ?

450479 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to JohnB, 4, #1170 of 1267 🔗

No, just people walking down country lanes in masks.
Oh, hang on.

450488 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 7, #1171 of 1267 🔗

It took place in the first lockdown.People were separated from friends,family and work colleagues and government fear porn was beamed straight in without a filter.

450571 ▶▶ houdini, replying to disgruntled246, #1172 of 1267 🔗

What a load of duffers.

Next thing is the excitement over if and when when you’re getting the second jab.

450597 ▶▶ Morse, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #1173 of 1267 🔗

This, one of my most pre covid sceptical friends who is an avid weed smoker and has taken many recreational substances and is generally anti everything was also critical thinker in other matters is an absolute covid nut, pro lockdown, vax and passports. I was stunned, hypnosis was all I could think.

450611 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to disgruntled246, #1174 of 1267 🔗

Scepticism is easy when you’ve got no skin in the game. You can sit in your local and spout the big man anti government stuff, peppered with some Orwell and enjoying your pint.

But when that knock comes, how do you react. Did you ever really know yourself? Did you realise that your views were not your own and just a story you held onto to make life easier? Did you ever really believe the things you said?

Thats what I am seeing. Very little integrity. Even the threat that their two weeks in the sun will be off limits has broken them. Off they go.

This is going to be hard. I can’t see what will wake them up at this point. Hancock in jail is about all that’ll do it.

450630 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to disgruntled246, #1175 of 1267 🔗

They don’t call it the idiot box for nothing!

450448 Jonny S., replying to Jonny S., 5, #1176 of 1267 🔗
450496 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Jonny S., 2, #1178 of 1267 🔗

Unlike this utter bunk:

I think this misses the point – every false positive LFT is one fewer true positive LFT…

450462 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Jonny S., 4, #1179 of 1267 🔗

Nick Triggle is one of the good guys. It’s amazing that he manages to keep his job.

450569 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to mattghg, #1180 of 1267 🔗

I don’t how he does either. Good stuff from him on the likely schools fiasco.

450456 Jo Starlin, 32, #1181 of 1267 🔗

Just signed the anti-mask petition at Us4Them and noticed Tim Henman is one of the signatories. Welcome sir.

450463 awildgoose, 8, #1182 of 1267 🔗

NY state to allow vaccinateds to skip quarantine, testing requirements:


This is part of the vaxport op as well as the Cuomo rehabilitation op. Note how the media is trying to shift blame for care home deaths to anonymous staffers that altered reports.

450495 Maverick, replying to Maverick, 3, #1183 of 1267 🔗

Farage has stepped down from leader of the Reform party.

450497 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Maverick, #1184 of 1267 🔗


450501 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1185 of 1267 🔗

We have achieved a great deal since the launch of the Brexit Party in April 2019. None of this would have been possible without your extraordinary and rapid call to arms. Following our launch in April 2019, I watched the £25 donations coming through online every other second and was humbled by it.

After a quarter of a century building UKIP up into a national political force, without which a Referendum would never have been granted, I never thought that I would need to start a new party from scratch. But thank goodness I did because we handsomely won the European Elections and got rid of Mrs. May as Prime Minister.

In the months that followed, the Brexit Party was topping the opinion polls and this guaranteed that the Conservative Party would come to its senses. They selected Boris Johnson as the next Prime Minister with a more positive, pro-Brexit message.

The final outcome has cut off Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK and treated our fisherman terribly, but we are out and there is no going back. Already, in terms of the vaccine rollout and trade deals around the world, we are seeing the benefits of Brexit and the EU itself turn into a laughing stock.

The change of name to Reform UK was logical. After all, the Brexit Party had campaigned under the slogan of “Change Politics For Good”. From our electoral system, postal voting, House of Lords and taxation policy there is so much that needs to be brought into the 21st century. Not to mention the civil service, BBC license fee and much more besides.

As the elections in May now look likely to be taking place, I’ve been reflecting on my role and my life over the course of the next few years.

Whilst I was always interested in current affairs, I had never intended to be directly involved in politics. I did so for one overwhelming reason; Britain’s membership of the European Union. I had watched the Tory rebels during the Maastricht Rebellion doing their best but, in the end, submitting to party loyalty. I realised that someone had to take up the fight.

It has not been an easy journey and has come at a great cost to me, but I have no regrets whatsoever. Whilst I do strongly believe in the Reform agenda, I now feel I can do just as much to shift public opinion through media and social media as I can as a campaigning party leader.

With the May elections now looming, I intend to stand aside as leader of Reform UK and relinquish any executive power within the party.

I am delighted to take up a position as Honorary President and will leave Reform UK in the capable hands of Richard Tice, who so ably assisted me in the construction and the running of the Brexit Party. Reform will need to democratise itself and set up a national structure. It is no easy task and I wish Richard well in this huge endeavour.

My thanks go to the countless thousands who helped me with the Brexit campaign over the decades and to the many millions that changed the course of history forever.

450608 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Maverick, #1186 of 1267 🔗

Hmmm…well his heart didn’t seem to be in it and his stance on lockdowns was tentative, ambivalent and obscure at time.

Tice is a clever operator but not I think someone with that star leadership quality that Farage had.

450526 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Fingerache Philip, 6, #1187 of 1267 🔗

I read something recently (can’t recall where will try to dig around) that implied Farage had been seriously compromised in some way, hence him suddenly overnight shilling for the vaccines in the way he did.

450521 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Maverick, 10, #1188 of 1267 🔗

Probably a good thing for several reasons:

First, Tice has been much better than Farage on lockdown

Second, if alliances or mergers with other right of centre anti-lockdown parties are needed, Farage being out of the way is probably a good thing. Farage was never able to play second fiddle to anyone for long.

450524 ▶▶▶ Maverick, replying to Mark, 4, #1189 of 1267 🔗

I agree. Farage was too marmite to be able to collaborate and I think that will be necessary if any parties can make a difference.

450610 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Maverick, 1, #1190 of 1267 🔗

We need an anti-lockdown alliance comprising Reform, Reclaim, UKIP and SDP. I doubt we’ll get it.

450632 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Maverick, #1191 of 1267 🔗

Well that’s some good news, at least.

450504 isobar, 24, #1192 of 1267 🔗

Don’t know who did the study for London City Airport, but judging from the best rated comments from DM readers, perhaps LCA should ask for a refund.

‘Majority of Brits would be happy to carry vaccination cards if it meant they could travel abroad study finds amid Government’s proposals for jab passports’

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‘Typical government propaganda’

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450507 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 20, #1193 of 1267 🔗

Been out and about today, first the market for veg where mask level about 30% outside. Next Specsavers no questions asked and only one uncomfortable staff member who swerved away, but they were north of 20 stone so maybe feeling vulnerable. I’ll give them 8/10.
Then Tesco, bloody horrible. Wall to wall masks and queues. But friendly chat with lady on promotions stand .
Finally good walk along sea front, only 2masked loonies, kiosk open and no worries about antisocial distancing. No coppers anywhere either.
Good day overall except Tesco hell, should have walked to Aldi.

450616 ▶▶ eastender53, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #1194 of 1267 🔗

Sounds like Portsmouth.

450510 isobar, replying to isobar, 22, #1195 of 1267 🔗

Swedes protest about ban on gatherings.

‘Hundreds of anti-lockdown protesters clash with police in Stockholm as they take to the streets in defiance of Sweden’s Covid ban on gatherings’


450601 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, 7, #1196 of 1267 🔗

Here’s an interesting comment from that article

Good to see these protests slowly spreading across Europe, and attended by people of all ages (and mostly native-born judging from the photos). It’s about time. I’ve just heard on our news that the police in the southern Belgian province of Liege have submitted an official protest at having to impose Covid restrictions that they describe as depriving people of their civil liberties. Officers are saying this isn’t what they signed up for. All the more astonishing given that even in normal times Belgium is a near-police-state!

450636 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Andrew K, 1, #1197 of 1267 🔗

Very interesting’ Thanks fur posting!

450518 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 24, #1198 of 1267 🔗

Don’t know about anyone else but I am thoroughly fed up with the status quo.

450522 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1199 of 1267 🔗

Hasn’t been the same since Parfitt passed on, that’s for sure.

450536 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 5, #1200 of 1267 🔗

Rockin’ all over the world used to be a tune at my football club. Back when everything wasn’t decided by science.

450590 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1201 of 1267 🔗

I always used to think Burning Bridges was a cracking tune… now I wonder if it could turn out to be eerily prophetic; thinking about people I know & wonder if they’re going to consider it a life anthem..!

450582 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #1202 of 1267 🔗

Bless him.

450531 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1203 of 1267 🔗

I don’t know they are OK in small doses and bang up to date;
Jabb’in all over the world
Lock down, lock’in on down

450529 nowhereman, replying to nowhereman, 12, #1204 of 1267 🔗

Are the vaccines being pushed in order to pave the way for vaxx passports/digital IDs, or are vaxx passports being pushed to encourage vaccination? Discuss…

450538 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to nowhereman, 8, #1205 of 1267 🔗

I keep thinking the latter

450545 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to DanClarke, #1206 of 1267 🔗

Me too, although I wouldn’t totally discount the former

450595 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to isobar, 1, #1207 of 1267 🔗

Well as the former has already been introduced in Israel and LA University then it’s nailed on. However not workable if enough refuse the poison.

450650 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to isobar, #1208 of 1267 🔗

That sounds like a bit of a cop out. The Covid event has always been about vaccines and the vaccines have always been about depopulation. You don’t need digital passports when you’ve got rid of the people who would have used them.

450647 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to DanClarke, #1209 of 1267 🔗

It is the latter. The vaccines seem to be purposely lethal and as such they cannot afford to leave a large section of the public unvaccinated. If only the jabbed were to start dropping like flies, it would all become too obvious and could well lead to trouble. So things are going to become very tough for vaccination refuseniks, but there is no other viable option.

450540 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to nowhereman, 2, #1210 of 1267 🔗

My guess is that private businesses are pushing vax passports because they think it will encourage people to get out and about and help their businesses survive, not because they have any particular agenda.

450544 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to nowhereman, 3, #1211 of 1267 🔗

I would say it is a perfect circle with a win win for passports and vaccine take up.

450651 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cumbriacracked, #1213 of 1267 🔗

Yes, as an interim measure digital passports or even the threat of them may coerce some waverers to bare their arms for the terminator “vaccines”.

450550 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to nowhereman, 5, #1214 of 1267 🔗

the second. the vaxx passports won’t achieve the desired population cull. they are being used as the ransom to buy back the rights and freedoms that were stolen.

450562 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to nowhereman, 7, #1215 of 1267 🔗

They are being pushed to facilitate digital identities.The ultimate control tool.
The vaccination process won’t stop with these 2 jabs.There will always be new variants to deal with.
Also there was some publicity last year about 10 years of health.A disease a year will be the focus with a jab to follow.
This is brought to you by the usual suspects.
The long term aim is embedded tattoos with your vaccine history.Again brought to you by you know who.
Sounds far fetched but the patents have already been lodged.2020060606
is the number.

450568 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #1216 of 1267 🔗

The number of the beast indeed.

450596 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to nowhereman, 6, #1217 of 1267 🔗

If merely getting the “vaccine” was the government’s way of convincing people it’s safe to come out now and we should re-open fully and without restrictions, that’s what would be happening. The narrative would change, the war would be declared won, and back to normal we’d go. But that’s clearly not what is happening and the medical apartheid that is being ushered in is all about digital IDs and total control.

450633 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nowhereman, #1219 of 1267 🔗

The former. – but of course it depends what’s really in the vax.

450532 DanClarke, 3, #1220 of 1267 🔗

Just watched Escape from Pretoria, about the fighters against segregation, felt familiar

450542 Janette, replying to Janette, 17, #1221 of 1267 🔗

Why the hell are people bragging on Facebook that they have had the vaccine??? Would these same people have bragged about getting the flu jab???

450548 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Janette, 18, #1222 of 1267 🔗

no, cos the flu jab never signified cult membership

450551 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Janette, 13, #1223 of 1267 🔗

So they can be part of the most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them
Little children shouting me me me

450581 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Janette, 3, #1224 of 1267 🔗

Or having their piles treated?

450592 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Janette, 5, #1225 of 1267 🔗

How many are bragging, and how many are simply expressing relief?
Their heads have been messed with by an utterly evil propaganda machine, leading them to believe that the only thing between them and almost certain death is “the jab”.
Public outpourings of emotion might not be our way (I suspect, though obviously don’t know, that holds true for most of us here) but they have become a feature of our age. FaceAche declarations are just the way of shouting it from the rooftops.

450553 HoMojo, replying to HoMojo, 18, #1226 of 1267 🔗

Vaccines used on servicemen and women in first Gulf War 1991:
500,000 US troops vaccinated,
11,000 died.
100,000 got chronic neurological orders. More than 1 in 50 dead, 1 in 5 seriously ill. Symptoms often took two years to manifest.
Tell that to the next time someone leans on you to take the Covid ‘vaccine’

Source. Francis Boyle aka ‘conspiracy theorist’

Most of it in German, this 5 hrs and 10 mins in (English)

Had my third letter today, fifth text, to book it. There is such a thing as trying too hard

450640 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to HoMojo, 1, #1227 of 1267 🔗

You are being harassed, report it to the police.

450642 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Rowan, 1, #1228 of 1267 🔗

Except that the police seem to be interested in little, other than harassing people for ‘covid crimes’.

450654 ▶▶ Stevey, replying to HoMojo, 3, #1229 of 1267 🔗

Gulf War syndrome should always be remembered when it comes to ‘follow the science’ and ‘trust the doctors’.

450555 Alyse Glass, replying to Alyse Glass, 21, #1230 of 1267 🔗

Feeling slightly sick – heard from a friend who in passing mentioned the jab asking “Are you having yours?” Wasn’t aware there was one with my name on it! And then said “My mum says your mum isn’t going to have it, which I suppose means she probably won’t be able to see them again” WTF!

450561 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Alyse Glass, 15, #1231 of 1267 🔗

I do think so many people will forget all this ” we won’t visit so and so” once people start heading back to being “normal”. As quick as they all became scared they will all do a U turn and follow the herd once again.

450564 ▶▶▶ Alyse Glass, replying to Cumbriacracked, 12, #1232 of 1267 🔗

I hope so – thanks for positive thoughts – feeling discombobulated!!

450566 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Alyse Glass, 13, #1233 of 1267 🔗

Discombobulated – a lovely description! It is difficult, my days are like a roller coaster, depths of despair then positivity. It is good to have friends but it doesn’t help with them saying such things to you.

450577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alyse Glass, replying to Cumbriacracked, 10, #1234 of 1267 🔗

My days are like that too – although I did meet a friend for the first time since Christmas the other day (we are not particularly local and she had been hesitant but finally not seeing one another got to her so I suggested we bought some plants for the garden at the same place) and we hugged one another and then sat in her car eating sandwiches and catching up. Did my soul good!!!

450584 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Alyse Glass, 7, #1235 of 1267 🔗

Sounds lovely and certainly does make you feel better. I am visiting friends on Monday for lunch. If it wasn’t for a husband who is of the same mindset and a few friends who are not as anti as me but are sensible, I would have found it far more difficult than it already is to deal with.

450589 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Cumbriacracked, 12, #1236 of 1267 🔗

Feeling the same as you both. Am almost sure I will lose at least one friend who will probably not see me if I don’t get the jab. Thankfully my husband is equally sceptical and we have some friends who will see and act normally around us, though they are not what I’d call sceptics. I avoid making comments when they talk about the “vaccine” getting us back to normal, but if anyone preaches medical apartheid in my presence I can’t take responsibility for what I might say or do. Today has been a despairing kind of day, but I keep it together most days. It’s not easy being so far out of the mainstream!

450598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #1237 of 1267 🔗

Sorry you feeling the same, many days it is not easy. I have always been someone who tries to keep everyone happy, but if one positive from this is I have been very clear I will not be changing my views on this. Lik you I try not to enter into discussions if I know it is going to cause bad feelings but that doesn’t mean I do not state my position quite forcefully if needed! Friends now know either not to ask or mention it other than one friend who is beginning (slowly) to see through what is happening. We are the mainstream, it is everyone else who isn’t!

450639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1238 of 1267 🔗

We are the mainstream, it is everyone else who isn’t!

Exactly so, it is the gullible majority who have lost their marbles.

450629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 1, #1239 of 1267 🔗

They’re not a friend.

450617 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #1240 of 1267 🔗

Friends, who are of a mind to get the jab, should be directed to the linked Alex Jones video. Alex is not everyone’s cup of tea, but this is a very important interview with long time campaigner Dr Sherri Tenpenny. She keeps Alex well under control throughout and it becomes gripping stuff.

The interview starts at 50 mins and finishes at about the 1hr 25 mins mark. It is highly informative, though some might find it quite shocking towards the end. For my money, Dr Tenpenny is bang on target.


450663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Rowan, 1, #1241 of 1267 🔗

Linked Alex Jones video?


450609 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cumbriacracked, 2, #1242 of 1267 🔗

Returning to normal is not part of the plan.

450614 ▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Rowan, 5, #1243 of 1267 🔗

I sort of agree but to keep me sane I also think as quick as everyone became hysterical, they will quickly change their views if things start to change. I do believe the majority would go back to normal tomorrow if the PM and Witless came on TV and said it is all over as of midnight tonight. If they were stupid to believe it all one way they will do the other.

450622 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1244 of 1267 🔗

Yep I agree – as long as the mainstream media also told them the same.

450635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to OKUK, #1245 of 1267 🔗

Yes of course it would have to be both. Good grief their heads would explode if the MSM said something different!

450637 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #1246 of 1267 🔗

Yes, the majority would believe anything they are told, as long as it is “official” and on the Beeb.

450615 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Alyse Glass, 11, #1247 of 1267 🔗

I’ve said to people a couple of times what does it matter to you if I haven’t been jabbed? If you’ve had it then you’re protected, and since you can still catch it and pass it on then you’re actually a danger to me. The confused responses I get tell me most people don’t have a clue about what they’ve stuck their arms out for. Same with passports; how can you have a free access pass for something you can still catch and spread? Brains disengaged.

450618 ▶▶▶ Nymeria, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1248 of 1267 🔗

Unbelievable, isn’t it?

450620 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #1249 of 1267 🔗

If they had engaged their brains at the beginning many would have not fallen for the narrative.

450661 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Fear is Finite, #1250 of 1267 🔗

Spot on!


450605 Janette, replying to Janette, 9, #1251 of 1267 🔗

So schools are back on Monday. Let’s see how many last the week due to “positive cases”! Shall we have a bet?

450644 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Janette, 3, #1252 of 1267 🔗

Family friend is a teacher and the nursery in the school has now delayed returning as a member of staff tested positive. So 25 kids are told to wait another week. Logic there is none

450619 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #1253 of 1267 🔗

Progress ?

450625 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1254 of 1267 🔗

No Because they are now in the same situation we were back in September. Soon the military police will prevent any protest there.

450634 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Andrew K, 2, #1255 of 1267 🔗

I hope they do not lose their right to protest as has happened in so many other countries.

450627 ▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to karenovirus, 8, #1256 of 1267 🔗

Ironic Sweden who have had far less severe restrictions than many countries, despite untold pressure put upon them to toe the line, still have members of their population prepared to protest.

450621 Fast Eddy, 1, #1257 of 1267 🔗

If a person is vaccinated against COVID-19, will they still be able to spread the virus to susceptible people?

An ideal vaccine will stop everyone from carrying the infection as well as protecting them from becoming seriously ill. It is currently unclear whether the vaccine only protects against symptomatic and severe disease, or if it can also stop all infection, including asymptomatic infection (i.e. showing no symptoms).

If the vaccine is only able to stop the symptoms of the disease, but unable to stop the virus from infecting us and reproducing, then the virus may still be able to be spread.

https://www.immune.org.nz/covid-19-vaccines (info provided by the NZ Ministry of Health)

And people are fighting to get to the front of the queue for the letha.. ah the vaccine..(that has not been tested properly) because they believe they will permitted to travel again.

How quaint….

450641 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 10, #1258 of 1267 🔗

Good stuff from Rangers fans today:


When they win the title I hope 50,000 of them turn up at Ibrox, and if Sturgeon’s NKVD/Sturmabteilung troops try and stop them, then I hope Rangers fans give them the same kind of pasting they gave Franco’s pigs in Barcelona in 1972.

450649 ▶▶ IvanDP, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #1259 of 1267 🔗

Thanks for posting 🙂
I never would have thought 17 seconds of video could have put such a HUGE smile on my face.
Absolutely brilliant to see people being “normal”

450653 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to IvanDP, 6, #1260 of 1267 🔗

Yep, jumping up and down, singing, hugging each other. Wonderful. They cannot keep us down for ever. We are going to win.

450655 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 16, #1261 of 1267 🔗

Managed to get all 3 grandkids here for a sleepover (one of the mums is a covidiot).
Started with a walk in the park, all normal, not a face nappy in sight.
Played a card game after tea, then watched my old DVD of Whale Rider before bed.
Looking forward to another old-normal day tomorrow!

450656 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1262 of 1267 🔗

Good for you. Make sure you get the next play date in the diary before they leave. Power of the gran kids, phenomenal 👍

450657 Nobody2021, replying to Nobody2021, 9, #1263 of 1267 🔗

Just got round to reading this BBC article on schools going back:

Covid-19: Is school mask and testing policy flawed?
This particular paragraph regarding mask wearing in schools caught my eye:

But it is a risk ministers seem happy to tackle. The government insists the use of masks is “temporary and precautionary” – and will be reviewed at Easter. Or, in the words of one scientific adviser: “We know it’s not going to make much difference, but if it helps us get schools back, it’s worth the hassle when it’s dropped.”

This was the same argument they used for mandating masks as it would help people come out of lockdown and feel safer out and about in shops and stores.

Nearly a year later and they’re still mandatory.

450658 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2021, 4, #1264 of 1267 🔗

Very true! The explanation for mandatory masking went from the trivial (encouraging shopping) to the dubious and dishonest (masks protects others).

450688 ▶▶ Alyse Glass, replying to Nobody2021, #1265 of 1267 🔗

Said at the time they would be as temporary as Income Tax!

450659 Andrea Salford, replying to Andrea Salford, 25, #1266 of 1267 🔗

Well, well, well…..just received this email from the DM in response to my comment (below, also posted on here earlier). The comment received 8 replies of which 7 were supportive. Nothing I stated in the comment is incorrect so I am really struggling to see on what grounds they can uphold ‘a complaint’?
‘ We have received a number of complaints about the comment you made on article “We’re finding real freedom! Boris Johnson hails pupils’ return as jabs are rolled out for under-60s… so his vaccine is due any day now?” (/news/article-9334035/Were-finding-real-freedom-Boris-Johnson-hails-pupils-return.html), at 06/03/2021

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My comment: (269 upticks)
Vaccine call –
Caller: Can we book in your Covid vaccine appointment?
Me: Oh lovely. Will it stop me getting Covid?
Caller: No …..
Me: Will it stop me transmitting Covid?
C: No …..
Me: Can I go out and see my friends and family?
C: No ……
Me: Can I stop wearing a mask?
C: No …..
Me: Can I stop social distancing?
C: No …..
Me: Have the stage 3 trials ended yet?
C: No ……
Me: Can you tell me the 2-10 year outcomes?
C: No…..
Me: Are the pharmaceutical companies liable for any side effects or health damages?
C: No…..
Me: Can you tell me why I should have it then?
C: …………No…. So can we book your appointment?
Me: No!

450662 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andrea Salford, 5, #1267 of 1267 🔗

Wow! Not one untruth there. But as we continue to discover, censorship abounds and it has nothing to do with truth and everything to do with silencing anyone who doesn’t conform to the narrative. Clearly the ostriches were after you today!


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45OKUK4, 11, 2, 11, 7, 2, 0, 2, 0, 1, 1, 4
44BeBopRockSteady1, 1, 5, 2, 6, 1, 3, 6, 5, 11, 0, 0, 3
43Alyse Glass21, 12, 10, 0
43LMS21, 0, 10, 6, 0, 4, 5, 2, 15
42JohnDanny35, 7
42V219, 5, 9, 0, 2, 2, 3, 0, 0
41PoshPanic3, 7, 4, 9, 2, 9, 4, 3
40John Galt10, 6, 9, 15
40Dodderydude122, 0, 1, 1, 17, 7
39Boris Bullshit19, 10, 8, 2
38Judy Watson16, 0, 11, 11
38TheOriginalBlackPudding13, 3, 0, 11, 5, 0, 1, 5
36arfurmo1, 1, 34
36Les Tricoteuses0, 0, 3, 20, 13
35Rowan8, 2, 4, 2, 4, 5, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 4, 2, 1
35JohnB2, 1, 0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 0, 2, 0, 1, 1, 1, 13, 0, 0, 1, 0, 3, 0, 4
34straightalkingyorkshireman26, 7, 1
33Suzyv20, 13
33mhcp824, 1, 0
32Mutineer25, 6, 0, 1
32Sam Vimes4, 3, 3, 15, 7
31Margaret10, 4, 17
31mattghg10, 12, 1, 0, 4, 4
30penelope pitstop13, 8, 5, 2, 2
29Biggles3, 10, 16
29Major Panic10, 0, 2, 13, 4
29Andrew K4, 7, 7, 0, 7, 1, 3
29Cheezilla12, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 16
29Steve F7, 4, 0, 2, 2, 1, 7, 1, 1, 1, 3
28popo says2, 8, 18
28Freddy Boy7, 0, 7, 1, 2, 4, 6, 1
26BJs Brain is Missing26
25Adamb18, 7
25Nobody20213, 13, 9
24John0017, 14, 3
24pub with no beer8, 2, 3, 4, 6, 1
22CGL5, 17
22Jonny S.0, 15, 5, 2
22Tim Bidie7, 0, 5, 5, 5
22JayBee1, 1, 2, 10, 5, 3
22Alice1, 17, 0, 1, 2, 1, 0
21Dame Lynet147
20bluemoon9, 11, 0
20Silke David5, 6, 0, 9
20Jaguarpig2, 0, 0, -4, 5, 17
20Bella Donna1, 2, 2, 3, 2, 3, 7
19Mayo6, 13
19Tom in Scotland1, 1, 1, 4, 10, 2
18J4mes4, 14
18MFvH8, 10
18fiery9, 6, 0, 2, 1
18Seansaighdeoir0, 11, 1, 2, 0, 0, 4, 0
17Friedrich Stapß6, 11
17JFJ14, 1, 2
17ShropshireLass13, 0, 4, 0
16james00714, 2
15GuyRich12, 3, 0
15RichardJames2, 3, 9, 1
15PastImperfect11, 1, 1, 2, 0
14Ovis0, 1, 2, 3, 5, 3
13Maverick3, 6, 4
12Sampa7, 5
12Smelly Melly63, 3
12Derek Toyne12, 0, 0
11Fear is Finite11
11awildgoose80, 1, 2
11John2, 0, 2, 0, 3, 2, 1, 1
10richardw537, 3
10frankfrankly8, 2
10davews3, 5, 2
10bebophaircut7, 0, 3
9Alpine0, 9
9Richy_m_998, 1
9eastender539, 0
9creakycraner6, 1, 0, 2
8Robin Birch8
8Sarigan (Day 348 of lockdown)8
8The Covid Kid8
8lorrinet4, 4
8lincsfloody1, 7
8Ned of the Hills8, 0
8Charlie Blue6, 2
8Templeton1, 2, 5
8mikewaite4, 0, 0, 4
7Alex B43
6I am Spartacas6
6TheClone0, 6
6Barbara Baker1, 1, 0, 4
6iane1, 0, 3, 1, 1
5DJ Dod5
5A Heretic2, 3
5Waldorf1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 2
4ConstantBees4, 0
4lost in inner space1, 0, 3
4Old Trout0, 1, 3
4Chicot1, 2, 1
4Edward2, 0, 1, 1
4FedupofLies0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1
3Saved To Death2, 1
3crimsonpirate0, 3
3houdini3, 0
3Stevey0, 0, 0, 3
3DavidC1, 0, 1, 1, 0
2sam s.j.2
2Tillysmum0, 2
2Portnadler0, 2
1James Leary #KBF1
1Fast Eddy1
1Liz F0, 1
1godowneasy0, 1
0John Crichton0
0FW0, 0
0silverbirch0, 0