2021-03-07

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450665 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 174, #1 of 751 🔗

To say “deaths/hospitalisations/‘cases’ are plummeting – why are we still in lockdown” is to fall into their trap.

Deaths etc. can and will {be made to} rise again and they will turn round and say “by your own logic you must agree we lock down again.”

Just say “lockdown is wrong – end it NOW”.

Dates Not Data and the date is TODAY.

450669 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 136, #2 of 751 🔗

While the majority of the middle class get to sit on their arses from home, getting paid 80% or still have a job in full pay working from home in their pyjamas and the media get paid on their government advertising money pushing out polls that say people want lockdown and vaccine passports – nothing will change.

It needs a rise up of people like they do in France and Italy and Holland – whereby the people don’t just pull out their phones and film their fellow men and women getting arrested – en masse they pull them from the hands of the police and show them who they serve. People have to open their businesses no matter what and continue with life and fuck the cases and fudged numbers for deaths peddled in the media day in day out.

You have a choice come March, April May and June in each ‘reopening’ of business. Stay open, keep open, do not comply with it any more.

450762 ▶▶▶ katz, replying to Dobba, 21, #3 of 751 🔗

I agree Dobba, but do you have a business? Are you going to open your business and keep it open and wait for the police to arrive and the local rag to write about your ‘madness’ and your fear-crazed customers to talk about you?

450780 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to katz, 14, #4 of 751 🔗

I suppose anyone opening would do well to have a number of friendly customers present, or on call, to ensure that they are not overwhelmed by hostile zombies.

450836 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #5 of 751 🔗

Which is why Police turned up in intimidating numbers when closing ‘illegal gyms’ during tiers for fears.

450782 ▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to katz, 31, #6 of 751 🔗

No, I work for a private business and I’ve said the same to them. I understand it’s easy for me to say stay open and keep open when I’m not running my own business – but the alternative is to say carry on allowing the government to destroy your livelihoods and keep closing on their command. Should that be my narrative?

If business owners know that we will support them and shop with them and they all just stay open the police can’t shut every one down.

450871 ▶▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Dobba, 46, #7 of 751 🔗

To my mind the situation about individual businesses opening and then being intimidated and fined by the Police is similar to that facing workers in the late 19th Cent who tried to protest poor wages and working conditions .
As individuals they could easily be picked on and dismissed, or threatened with criminal arrest by employers and the answer was the Union movement.
If, in a town or suburb , the small businesses that wanted to open formed a union or cooperative that agreed to open together, and, very importantly , clubbed together to raise a fund that would cover any fines (although those seem to be thrown out when it comes to the courts ) then the local police force would be overwhelmed A union, cooperative, friendly society, call it whay you will, but a clearly defined and funded cooperative is the way to destroy the thuggery of Boris, Patel and Sage.

450889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mikewaite, 12, #8 of 751 🔗

Freedom Alliance?

450910 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to mikewaite, 3, #9 of 751 🔗

I like that idea. 🙂

451027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to mikewaite, 2, #10 of 751 🔗

Brilliant idea.

451056 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DanClarke, replying to mikewaite, 1, #11 of 751 🔗

Are the fines being processed at all, I heard they weren’t

451091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to DanClarke, 3, #12 of 751 🔗

null and void after 6 months of non-payment if no court summons is sent.

451258 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to mikewaite, #13 of 751 🔗

Thatcher DIDN’T destory the Unions, what happened is the traditional trade unions with WORKING MEN who did ACTUAL jobs got destroyed while public sector SCUMions have flourished.

Every single teacher’s union member after a trial needs to be legally shot.

451343 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ianric, replying to mikewaite, 2, #14 of 751 🔗

I agree with what mikewaite has said about safety in numbers. If I was running a business, I would be in a difficult situation. I would be worried about loosing my livilihood but I would face prosecution if I opened and harrassment from the authorities. In addition, if I ran a business where a licence is needed to operate, I would be worried about loosing my licence. If I did open my business, would I get many customers? Would many people be willing to visit a business operating illegally and some customers may not wish to come as they may think a business owner is being irresponsible. Have business who opened against regulations received many customers. If other businesses opened, I woud be more willing to open.

I feel fighting against business closures is vital. Businesses have gone though almost a year of being forced to close, allowed to re-open but often operate under restrictions and then close which is sustainable. Up until now it is small independant businesses which have opened. I am curious what would happen if a big chain opened. Would the authorites have the guts to take them on.

Could businesses coming together to campaign against being forced to close be an alternative. These are issues which businesses should raise from a previous post :-

·      In a pandemic, the type of business I would expect to have to close are businesses where large numbers are in close proximity to each other such as cinemas, nightclubs, theatres, concert venues and sport venues. The business forced to close under lockdown made no sense to me as these businesses were located in large premises which made it easy for customers to stay far apart and these businesses often didn’t have many customers in at the same time. These businesses included the following
Electrical shops
Furniture shops
Bookshops
Clothes shops
Museums
Galleries
Zoos
Why were these businesses forced to close? We are told the virus doesn’t survive very well outdoors. What was the logic of closing outdoor attractions such as Zoos?

·      A business I felt made no sense to close were hotels, B+Bs and campsites. In accommodation businesses guests stay in rooms or tents separate from each other. All accommodation were forced to close regardless of their characteristics.  Guests may mix during breakfast but some hotels don’t serve breakfast or guests have to pay extra which means not all guests have breakfast. Small hotels and B+Bs can only hold a limited number of guests. If breakfast time is spread out over a long period of time a breakfast room may not have a large number of guests in it at the same time.   Hotels with large numbers of room could easily keep guests apart. Some hotels have guests in separate buildings such as the hotel in the link below which was featured in Channel 4’s Four in a Bed
Wizards Thatch | Alderley Edge Hotel | Self Catering

·      As with hotels, restaurants, cafes and pubs were forced to close regardless of their characteristics. In large pubs and restaurants customers could easily stay away from each other. The café in my local Tesco is huge. Small cafes and restaurants can only hold a limited number of customers. A sandwich shop I used had only two tables for those who wanted to eat in.

·      Business were forced to close and not given the opportunity to invest in things which could limit the spread of an infectious disease eg limiting numbers, investing in ventilation.

451376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to Ianric, #15 of 751 🔗

The alternative is to stay closed and eventually your business and your livelihood go under. What have you got to lose? Nothing and everything. Take your pick.

451389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to mikewaite, #16 of 751 🔗

As I wrote to the Estorick Gallery of Italian Art when declining to renew my membership, they and similar organisations need to combine forces to resist the government’s oppressive policies. Otherwise they may as well close permanently and sell off the contents to private collectors.

450927 ▶▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to Dobba, 11, #17 of 751 🔗

I have a business. I haven’t earned a penny since last March and received no govt handouts. The problem is organisation and trust, contacting other like-minded business owners and being confident that everyone will defy the regulations at the same time. It’s really not that easy. How would you suggest rallying business owners to this cause and organising it all?

450945 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to katz, 6, #18 of 751 🔗

No – I completely understand it’s difficult and I wouldn’t want to be in your situation. I think it’s treasonous what has been done to businesses and I don’t have the cure to what would be incredibly hard to pull together. The Great Reopening that never happened was tantamount to that – I went hunting for businesses in Manchester on the day to support them – and nothing. I have the answer but as you say, it’s really not that easy when the brainwashed masses continue to get their news from the governments mouthpiece.

All I can say is that this time, no matter what – stay open and keep open. Or just think fuck it and open now – you have every right to earn a living and make sure the police know that if they come knocking at your door.

451262 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Dobba, #19 of 751 🔗

Small businesses DESERVE to lose a few.

And they will not but a LOT

451201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to katz, 1, #20 of 751 🔗

thats what i w as thinking it s the finding like minded people in person that i havent been able to manage and im sure they a re out there

451260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to katz, #21 of 751 🔗

Well, they won’t have businesses. They deserve to fail and will.

I will piss myself with laughter at all the pubs going out of business.
All the crappy non-english pubs with wanker menues.

450831 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to katz, 27, #22 of 751 🔗

During lockdown 1. a garden centre/nursery stayed open on the grounds that Tesco up the road were selling pot plants and fertilizers so why couldn’t they ?

This achieved some national attention after the local authority tried and failed to impose a closure notice and Police threatened to prosecute customers for none essential travel and shopping.

That business flourished throughout lockdown and continues to do so under the current lockdown in which garden centres are specifically permitted to operate.

450843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 13, #23 of 751 🔗

There was a car wash owner who said the same after the police threatened to close his business. He made the point that Asda down the road still had their car wash area open and who is to say he’s not essential given his clients include delivery drivers, those who work in construction and even the police!

I don’t know what happend to that car wash owner but I won’t be surprised if the police backed off.

450917 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to karenovirus, 11, #24 of 751 🔗

It’s the same with bookshops (and you could extrapolate this many areas of business) – WHSmiths can open, a small bookshop can’t. Some have, with that valid argument and it should be the same for all . . . “if they can, why can’t I, so I am . . . now fuck off!”

451250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dobba, 2, #25 of 751 🔗

Lots of bookshops sell greetings cards, stamps, board games, magazines and CDs….I’m sure they could arrange to get some newspapers in….so what’s the difference from WH Smith? Many shop owners were too easily cowed into submission.

451267 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Dobba, 1, #26 of 751 🔗

LOL it’s too late now!

This was seven months ago stuff!

Anyway, it’s to keep hyperinflation down apparently that middle size businesses are closed.

ALl those assets are goingt o cunterations from now on like Tescos and such.

Large pub companies are going to buy up smaller pubs.

It’s over!

And if small business owners were too dense to see it they deserve to go out of business.

The French have COURAGE.

The Brits have NONE.

THey are a disgusting breed of weird wokeists who want their own sons to grow up sucking on a mouthful of dick and their daughters aborting their children.

451263 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to karenovirus, #27 of 751 🔗

I would have supported it. All the others deserve to go out of businesses, whichthey weill.

450982 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to katz, 5, #28 of 751 🔗

Businesses need to open in numbers for it to work. Then they can’t really be stopped or not so easily.

451253 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to katz, #29 of 751 🔗

Small businesses who din’t gtake part in the Great Reopening deserve to fail.

And they will.

And their property will be taken away.

And they will die.

450763 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dobba, 12, #30 of 751 🔗

Promote the Great Reopening everywhere. Stickers, leaflets, handbills, websites.

451199 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Dobba, 1, #31 of 751 🔗

here i dont think they are shut down but i hate the masks policy. i must be braver and go back to trying to shop without my scarf [ have let it slip at least ]

instead of just staying a way from shopping in stores so much . you a re right we need numbers of people , i a m s till trying to find like minded poele to go w ith me haven’t found any yet .

bungle is an inspiration

450676 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 68, #32 of 751 🔗

Exactly right. Cede no moral ground to these psychopaths because if you accept their premises you’ve already lost the argument — how many “cases” justify lockdown, how many hospital admissions, how many deaths? When you’re arguing numbers with them you’re conceding that under some conditions lockdowns are justified. It’s never OK to lock down healthy people. PERIOD.

450711 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 44, #33 of 751 🔗

Absolutely agree. There is a general acceptance now amongst anyone campaigning to end lockdown that a) the vaccine is welcome, and b) lockdown in the early days was necessary.
Taking the vaccine (looking at you Mr Hitchens) or for that matter accepting testing, is fundamentally to accept that the virus is a deadly and existential threat to our existence. On the second point, the moment that China and then Italy began shutting down society and locking up healthy people, there were a great many voices NOT in support. These were measures never been taken in response to a virus similar to that seen every few years. The notion that “we panicked, what else could we do” is entirely wrong.

450751 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 83, #34 of 751 🔗

that’s why I refuse to even concede that there is such a virus as SARS Cov 2, such a disease as covid 19. I refuse to accept any information whatsoever from lying, manipulative, deceitful psychopaths. If they talked about it honestly, with respect for the truth, respect for me as a free human being, then I might listen. but failing that, they can just shove their crazy rantings about a deadly killer disease stalking the planet and threatening to wipe us out up their lying asses

450788 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JaneHarry, 12, #35 of 751 🔗

Sorry, I can upvote only once.

450818 ▶▶▶ Zeppo595, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 49, #36 of 751 🔗

I had a discussion about this with a friend of mine he made the point: ‘if it was ebola, I’d want all these restrictions – therefore I cannot say it’s categorically wrong to lock people down.’

I found myself, as a lockdown sceptic, also kind of agreeing.

I suppose for this particular virus the cure is worse than the disease.

But lots of people just hold their hands up in the air and say, ‘but well, we’re stopping people dying’ and if you give any counter evidence it does not register. It could basically be that you are saying words in another language. This narrative has become so stuck in people’s minds that I cannot see any way to change it.

You can talk about Sweden, other states in the US, the death rate being recorded wrongly, studies showing masks don’t work, studies showing asymptomatic spread is not real, data from hospitals being overwhelmed in many other years – none of it matters.

My feeling is that believing ‘we’re wearing masks, staying at home to save lives’ is easier to live with than, ‘we’re following authoritarian rules that make no sense and may be allowing a nefarious re-ordering of society.’

People do not want to wake up to the latter, because it’s too anxiety inducing and confusing to even think about. So they will just let it happen and even when it’s happened will continue to sleep walk through ‘the new normal’ and accept it long after the reasons for it’s introduction have been forgotten.

It’s clear to me that at least subconsciously people are aware this is wrong since ANY questioning often leads to a quick shouting down: conspiracy theorist! Anti-vaxxer! The fact people aren’t even willing to engage with anything counter to the narrative suggests to me that following it has entailed an extreme kind of repression.

450863 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Zeppo595, 15, #37 of 751 🔗

‘We are staying home’.
Only to the extent that, bar some shops, there is nowhere to go and nothing to do outdoors (though many here report going for a nice walk for its own sake).

Last weekend I reported on large numbers of people enjoying the riverside leisure and tourism hub in the sunshine with little or no interference from police.

Yesterday I was outside the doors of a largish Sainsbury’s. The carpark was almost full, normal range of people scurrying about, it was chilly, no pedestrian queue at the entrance and no Covid Marshals.

The only clue to Covid was almost ubiquitous masks and the young man corralling errant trolleys who sprayed the handles with gunk before wiping them down with a raggy J-Cloth that looked as though he’d never changed it.

450944 ▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to Zeppo595, 20, #38 of 751 🔗

People are afraid of the police and fines and public humiliation, they’re not afraid of the virus any more. In the past year I know of only one person who ‘had it’ – this person had a mild cough for a few days and was sent for a test and told she’d had covid. I don’t think anyone really believes in the bbc narrative any more, they’re just afraid of sticking their heads above that parapet and publicly questioning it, as opposed to privately questioning it. How many people on here are publicly standing up against it all? How many people on here are even using their real names in this ‘safe’ place? I’m not.

451273 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to katz, 2, #39 of 751 🔗

I’m very vocal and forward to everyone around me at work and anyone I speak to about it. I don’t wear masks – I don’t sanitise – I won’t be vaccinated – I don’t stand two metres – I visit friends – I gather in groups – I’m happy to shake hands, hug, whatever and I’ll do it in front of other people.

The best way of not complying is not complying and carrying on as normal. 🙂

451271 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Zeppo595, 1, #40 of 751 🔗

Some good posts today!

Re Ebola, I read an article by the guy who occasionally writes in the Spectator – Aidan Hartley (?) who lives in Africa – and was surprised at how casual he was about Ebola, and being in the vicinity of Ebola vicitms suggesting it’s not necessarily quite the killer plague we expected. I’m not saying he’s right – I know nothing about Ebola – but given the lies we’ve we been exposed to re Covid, it makes you wonder a little whether we’ve heard the whole story.

450852 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 29, #41 of 751 🔗

Hear, hear!!! Hence why I’ve long ceased to believe that this is about a virus.

Also I’ve long maintained that any info emanating from the government and the MSM are simply lies and propaganda. During meetings when I speak up, I always emphasise that it’s the lockdown wot did it and not parrot management who still maintain its a pandemic. I have also refused to listen to friends and family who still maintain we have to make sacrifices and refuse to listen to other points of view and even try to silence me by making me out to be “selfish” and “wanting to let people die.” I’ve been polite and diplomatic throughout but not this time. Let them learn the hard way when economic Armageddon comes to affect them and when they have to clean up the mess wrought by the restrictions on their children.

I’m done.

450681 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 69, #42 of 751 🔗

Lockdown is abominable and should never have been even contemplated in a free society, or in any society.

450731 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 77, #43 of 751 🔗

Absolutely! We should be saying “We are a liberal democracy, not an authoritarian dictatorship” and we will FUNCTION as a democracy. All the government’s restrictions are COMPLETELY outside of their remit (I think the term is ultra vires… sounds like virus!)

No more dictatorship. No more totalitarian state. This is OUR COUNTRY and we have fundamental rights that they cannot deny us.

The whole thing has been a psychological grooming operation. NO arrest or fine made under the “Coronavirus Act” stands up in court because you cannot take away the rights of people. It’s all clever smoke and mirrors with wording like “reasonable excuse” and “unless it is exceptional circumstances”. It’s is ALL voluntary and people have been duped into doing it voluntarily. This must STOP now!

Lockdowns are an abusive ELITIST luxury that are wonderful for the public servants (SERVANTS remember… our taxes pay for them to sit all day in their pyjamas in their home offices ordering Deliveroo!) and the tech industry workers and the journalists and politicians and wealthy. They also don’t affect key workers who can carry on AND get called “heroes” (did you know key workers are allowed to go on holiday but not us). We – the small business owners, hospitality staff, gym owners, beauticians, physical trainers, dancers, actors, musicians, shop workers, martial arts instructors, driving instructors are apparently SCUM who don’t matter, who are selfish rule breakers if we try to earn some cash under the table.

It’s a despicable divide and should be abhorrent to any decent British person.

Yes… we need to grow some balls and SHOW these out of control “law enforcers” that we DO NOT CONSENT, that we will NO LONGER COMPLY!

And those who are taking an experimental drug that has obtained emergency use authorisation by the wilful suppression of clinically proven therapeutic medicines, and then PUSHING it on people… are MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE.

450748 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 16, #44 of 751 🔗

Excellent summary but as an out & about key worker I am indeed allowed to take leave as usual but can no more ‘go on holiday’ than anyone else.

When on leave I am supposedly subject to the same ‘essential journey only’ restrictions as others are.

450817 ▶▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to karenovirus, 13, #45 of 751 🔗

That info came from an AirBnB place that said they were open for “keyworkers” only… and also I hope I didn’t cause any offence – I’m hugely respectful and supportive of people who don’t capitalise on the weird pedestalising of keyworkers. Many I know are truly embarrassed of the clapping and rainbows!!

450860 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJS123, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #46 of 751 🔗

Likewise I’m a key worker and agree with karenovirus. The B&B’s were open for workers in risky jobs to stay away from their families, near their place of work, not for jolly holidays!

450870 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJS123, 2, #47 of 751 🔗

Quite so and for builders working away from home and people travelling to attend job interviews.

451405 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to karenovirus, #48 of 751 🔗

Holiday accommodation owners hereabouts are desperate to get ‘key workers’ in, because it’s the only income they can get. The ‘key workers’ certainly aren’t lazing about on the beach. They are working long hours, by day or by night or both.

450877 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 3, #49 of 751 🔗

No offence taken, I’m not NHS and I didn’t clap.

450759 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 8, #50 of 751 🔗

Everyone needs to get a copy of Black’s Dictionary of Law. People are intentionally dis-informed and mis-educated.

450857 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, -2, #51 of 751 🔗

Actors? They are SCUM and I have no respect for their woke, anti-white profession.

450861 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 4, #52 of 751 🔗

FUCK the NHS!

Now these filthy money grubbing bastards want a pay rise?

I look into their eyes and I SPIT IN THEIR FACE!

450909 ▶▶▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to FedupofLies, 7, #53 of 751 🔗

I don’t think that they particularly want a pay rise. More likely it is a situation being deliberately engineered by the Government to get the nurses out on strike so that lockdown can be maintained in the face of falling death statistics.

450923 ▶▶▶▶▶ gone_loopy, replying to Puddleglum, 2, #54 of 751 🔗

Of course people want pay rises. Its expensive living here in th uk

450957 ▶▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #55 of 751 🔗

The teaching unions will love having another reason to keep schools closed in order to support the nurses’ strikes.

450916 ▶▶▶▶ gone_loopy, replying to FedupofLies, #56 of 751 🔗

You are an absolute nut job

451100 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FedupofLies, 9, #57 of 751 🔗

Not used NHS apart from childbirth since my 20’s. Worked within it, saw many reasons to never trust it. Grand waste, low standards, poor quality, chumocracy executive, incapable of taking responsibility, mass murder by neglect/malice/hubris/laziness. And now you can add genocide to the list.

451142 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jinks, #58 of 751 🔗

Great post. So true

450865 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 32, #59 of 751 🔗

The whole thing has been a psychological grooming operation. NO arrest or fine made under the “Coronavirus Act” stands up in court because you cannot take away the rights of people. It’s all clever smoke and mirrors with wording like “reasonable excuse” and “unless it is exceptional circumstances”. It’s is ALL voluntary and people have been duped into doing it voluntarily. This must STOP now!

This!!! ^^^^^

The UK Medical Freedom Alliance made this point in their open letter when it came to the mask mandate. The exemptions are in there in black & white but they’re so poorly communicated to the police and public and that’s why we’ve been having these incidents of harassment and bullying of those who can’t and won’t wear masks. It’s despicable.

I get tumbleweed everytime I ask lockdownistas if there was a genuine pandemic why do the government need threats, fines, Munchuasen Syndrome by Proxy adverts, etc? Should it be self evident?

451136 ▶▶ Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #60 of 751 🔗

I suspect them of trying to push it out as far into the summer as they can try to tailgate the inevitable Autumn seasonal rise in bugs and keep the crisis going. A big gap will make it harder.

451249 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Friedrich Stapß, #61 of 751 🔗

There’s another gain of functioned virus coming this way patented by Bill and Melinda Gates

450666 Bungle, replying to Bungle, 3, #62 of 751 🔗

Wow, bit early this.

450667 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Bungle, 5, #63 of 751 🔗

Indeed it is – good to know that Toby et al will be getting a good nights kip.

PS morning/afternoon/evening all.

450700 ▶▶ Boris Buffoon, replying to Bungle, 4, #64 of 751 🔗

Nope. I was dreaming about the visitation of a plague of boils for Johnson and Hancock.

450706 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Boris Buffoon, 3, #65 of 751 🔗

Sweet dreams!
Do anal swabs give you boils?

451097 ▶▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Annie, 1, #66 of 751 🔗

Not if you use the big ones they used in the Gladiators show. 🧜‍♂️ Especially for handjob and the fat pig dictator

450668 jos, replying to jos, 77, #67 of 751 🔗

Every morning around this time I wake in confusion and disbelief and wish I could just toe the line and accept the world as it is without raging against it but mostly I just wish I knew what the hell was going on …

450690 ▶▶ Annie, replying to jos, 22, #68 of 751 🔗

Keep raging against the dying of the Light.

450902 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 5, #69 of 751 🔗

“Better to light a candle…..”

450770 ▶▶ katz, replying to jos, 17, #70 of 751 🔗

Yes, I wake up under a cloud of anxiety every day (when I’ve managed to sleep) and it takes a moment to remember that the nightmare is real.

450790 ▶▶ Annie, replying to jos, 6, #71 of 751 🔗

I recommend a hot drink, in bed, and a hot-water bottle on the tummy.Not a cure, but it alleviates the symptoms.

450811 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to jos, 10, #72 of 751 🔗

A good cry, followed by prayer, or prayer followed by a good cry, followed by a prayer. I find, even in my lowest moments, a frank conversation with the Creator/s, helps to lighten the load. Doesn’t banish it completely, but that’s a good thing. It keeps us in touch with current reality.

450907 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Jinks, 7, #73 of 751 🔗

I’m now used to the fact that I probably land up in tears on pretty much a daily basis at some point or other – usually first thing in the morning, as I think “Oh…another happy day (not!) on Planet Earth…”. I have a journal to write down what I really think – the totally uncensored version and fortunately my best friend and her husband are pretty much “on side” and so I know I have someone ITRW (darn it – hundreds of miles away from me…but at least they’re at the end of a telephone).

451089 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to ElizaP, 6, #74 of 751 🔗

Every day, remind yourself, how proud you are of yourself. You’re seeing through this shitshow, when millions either refuse to do so or are too stupid to realise
Either way, those people are evil!, We should always remember, it is people like us who will persevere till the very end, because we care more about the outcome, than those who, in the truest terms, are nothing, and have nothing they’d be willing to live or die for, whereas we have everything!

450670 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 62, #75 of 751 🔗

As South Korea rolls out its Covid 19 vaccination programme, there are thousands of adverse reactions, including seven deaths in the first week. The “vaccine” is the AstraZeneca product. In contrast, during the whole of the pandemic, South Korea has had sixteen hundred coronavirus related deaths.

Meanwhile in the US there are reports of dozens of people dying as a result of developing a rare immune disorder after receiving the Pfizer or Moderna products, which use the mRNA technology.

Here in England, we have seen care homes deaths substantially rise after the roll out of the vaccination programme.

The MHRA, whilst clearly at pains to minimise the negative effects of the so called vaccines, reported six hundred and forty adverse reaction deaths in the period from 9 December 2020 to 21 February 2021.

Could these facts be the reason why Piers Morgan has taken to calling anyone who does not want one of the so called vaccines a coward?

450674 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Steve Hayes, 53, #76 of 751 🔗

While I don’t know one person who has died of Covid, I predict I will know people who have been injured or killed by the experimental gene therapy. If coward is the worst name I’m called for not letting the government change my DNA and probably kill me, then so be it. Maybe when Piers Morgan’s DNA is altered he won’t be such a prick.

450725 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 26, #77 of 751 🔗

my prediction exactly – and it’s already begun to come true: only 2-3 months into the experimental roll-out, a relative of a relative [ok quite far removed from me, but let’s say on the outer margins of my social network] dropped dead for no apparent reason within hours/days of being injected – this contrasts with 0 covid deaths in 12 months, not even on the outer outer margins of my network. and I don’t expect the real slaughter to begin until the next flu season, so winter 2021-22

450914 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to JaneHarry, 2, #78 of 751 🔗

That’s rather when I’m expecting the “penny to drop” all round. So long to go till then. Right now – I’m thinking “Just my blinkin’ luck – just as I get new neighbours and they seem decent – and she’s already told me she’ll be having the jab. Darn – she’s probably going to get killed – and I might be back to bad neighbours all round”. So I’m expecting I might literally witness this on my doorstep…

450866 ▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #79 of 751 🔗

I really don’t think he’ll be taking it.

450885 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #80 of 751 🔗

He promised to take it live on telly.
Did he do so ?

450678 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #81 of 751 🔗

So it takes courage to confront the manifest dangers of the snake oil? If that’s so, no zombies can be taking it.
No surprise if Morgan is anxious to embrace another prick.

450728 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Annie, 10, #82 of 751 🔗

it’s just a game of ‘chicken’ isn’t it – ‘step in front of that moving train or you’re chicken’ – only a juvenile idiot falls into that trap

450705 ▶▶ FrankiiB, replying to Steve Hayes, 34, #83 of 751 🔗

We read in the news in the past week that for those who had Covid before, adverse reaction to the jab is greater. Why? I have been trying to find out and cant find any explanation. The question is brushed aside. But surely this is a vital question. Is it a sign there might be ADE (antibody dependent enhancement)? At the very least, this question should be given urgent attention.

450718 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to FrankiiB, 9, #84 of 751 🔗

The Telegraph carried a story like that yesterday and I had the same thought about possible ADE.

450720 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to FrankiiB, 39, #85 of 751 🔗

I don’t understand why people who think they have had covid are so keen to have the jab anyway. It’s totally illogical.

450918 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to FrankiiB, 11, #86 of 751 🔗

…and how would we even necessarily know we’d already had it? Some of us will have had it so mildly that it barely registered. Like many – I had “something” months back for a few weeks – but it was so darn mild I couldn’t tell you what it was…

451042 ▶▶▶▶ katz, replying to ElizaP, 7, #87 of 751 🔗

Most people need a test to know that they’ve got it. Deadly indeed.

450740 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 11, #88 of 751 🔗

12 months ago, ie before UK lockdown 1., South Korea was comparing hospitalisations with deaths and thought Covid was 5-10%(?) fatal.

They then mass tested some hundreds of thousands of random people and discovered that a large proportion of the population had already had Covid without noticing and that the true fatality rate was somewhere -1%.

From that moment every single UK response was wrong with the possible exception of the first three weeks of lockdown which succeeded in its stated aim of preventing a rush of Covid hospitalisations overwhelmingly the NHS; at which point bozo could have claimed Victory and become the nations hero.

450743 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 29, #89 of 751 🔗

Except the first lockdown caused a serious amount of deaths by throwing people out of hospital, putting infectious people into nursing homes and scaring people into staying away from health care.

450764 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #90 of 751 🔗

Agreed but we didn’t know that at the time just as we didn’t know that Covid was not the medieval plague from hell as presented to us from China and then Italy.

450775 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to karenovirus, 15, #91 of 751 🔗

I’d push back a little on that too. All the info we had suggested that it only impacted older people with co-morbidities. Nothing has really changed about what we know about it.

I agree though that having made the decision that this should all have ended after the initial three weeks.

450807 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to karenovirus, 21, #92 of 751 🔗

Knowing a little something about mechanical ventilation, as well being aware of the generated pandemic of hysterical fear, from the off I was aghast at their indiscriminate use, and IMO, genocide was being committed from the very beginning.

450919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jinks, 5, #93 of 751 🔗

My personal knowledge of things medical verges upon zero but I have become more knowledgeable thanks not least to contributors at LS.

450878 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Ed Phillips, 10, #94 of 751 🔗

So, who gave the order to do that. It happened in New York where Cuomo is being made an example of and in Britain and I think even in Sweden.

Was the order given from some higher power?

Everyone knows care homes are cul de sacs of infections where viruses spread like wildfire. Doesn’t take a medical degree to know that. And then the whole Nightingale SCAM. Totally malevolent.

450912 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FedupofLies, 1, #95 of 751 🔗

The roll out of Nightingale hospitals was slovenly in the case of a genuine emergency. Ours was not even started until lockdown lite ‘though it was built remarkably quickly by a local contractor.

451080 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FedupofLies, 2, #96 of 751 🔗

It absolutely was. The recommendation came from China, and then promoted to public health authorities as the only known treatment.

450833 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to karenovirus, 41, #97 of 751 🔗

In my opinion however dangerous a virus might be circulating we should never accept that the government should have the power to violate out liberty in this way. If you are willing to accept that the first lock down is ‘OK’ all you are seeing now is the inevitable consequences of giving such power over one group of human beings to another. To accept lockdown can ever be OK is to accept our new relationship with government and its consequences – enslavement, poverty and an early death.

There is not clear evidence lockdown ‘worked’. It is much more likley that lockdown lead to the deaths of more people and then the virus ever would have. There was already plenty of evidence before the lockdown telling us that this was not such a remarkable virus anyway and that the NHS would not become any more overwhelmed then is normal – not that mismanagement of the NHS can ever justify lockdown.

By implementing lockdown bozo became a tyrant. He could never have been a ‘hero’ after that point.

I am not the property of the state.

450905 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #98 of 751 🔗

Agreed except we have accepted denials of our freedoms in the case of national emergency in the past.

The BBC WW2 drama ‘Foyles War’ is playing in the background and every episode has emergency regulations, and avoidance thereof, as the background.
We all grew up with the last of these, pub opening hours though these actually went back to WW1.

This time last year it may well be that the government genuinely thought we faced a national emergency and so I lent it my trust even though after three weeks it was clearly not.

450856 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 15, #99 of 751 🔗

There’s a reason why “Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive” is pertinent.

If Liberty is at the whim of those in power then you are a serf.

The only thing in many minds that balances this is that you must take some discomfort from time to time to get through where it will be all normal again.

Except the only real way for it to be normal again is for those who tried this scam to be severely punished.

451103 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to karenovirus, 3, #100 of 751 🔗

I agree and we all think the fat pig dictator is on par with the angel of Death Josef Mengele. Then I see in todays paper he is in front of the polls! Well there you go folks you really can fool all the people!!

450862 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #101 of 751 🔗

Maybe it’s me but Piers Morgan has started to seem a bit deranged to me of late. I usually avoid watching but a couple of times I seen him on TV recently, I’ve had an overwhelming feeling of embarrassment for him.

450963 ▶▶▶ katz, replying to LS99, 4, #102 of 751 🔗

I’m feeling a bit deranged lately too

451110 ▶▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to LS99, 2, #103 of 751 🔗

He is a clever guy and can see his narrative losing ground. Another twat who thinks twitter is real life and a reflection of public opinion. If the narrative turns to our point of view he will be seen as a cheerleader for the zealots! That will not be a good look. Especially when all the truths about the jab comes out. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

450671 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #104 of 751 🔗

If all monuments with links to slavery are to be torn down, does this mean the end of the Church of England, which had substantial slave holdings until after the Slavery Abolition Act, when it received generous compensation from the taxpayer (the former slaves of course received nothing)?

450679 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 40, #105 of 751 🔗

No worries.The Church of England died on 23 March 2020.

450683 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Annie, 7, #106 of 751 🔗

Does Archbishop Woke Welby know? Did anyone inform Queen Elizabeth? And have you noticed that there’ still more than two dozen of these clerics sitting in the House of Lords?

450689 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #107 of 751 🔗

Animated corpses. Residents of Zombie Britain.

450924 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 3, #108 of 751 🔗

You mean we’re in an episode of Doctor Who – and don’t even know it?

451061 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to ElizaP, #109 of 751 🔗

I think the writers of Dr Who knew this was coming or wrote the WEF game plan – too many episodes are beginning to come true..

450692 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Annie, 7, #110 of 751 🔗

Like so many of our institutions it’s been dead for a long time before then.
That’s just the date we noticed.

450701 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Annie, 3, #111 of 751 🔗

As did all the “accepted” British political parties.

450684 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #112 of 751 🔗

For the first two decades of my working life I was still paying off the tax bill for compensation to former slave owners.

Security of private property was a cornerstone of the prosperous liberal democracy that we thought we used to live in.

450686 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to karenovirus, 7, #113 of 751 🔗

It was 2015 when the taxpayer finished paying for the compensation to the slave owners.

450925 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #114 of 751 🔗

I admit it was all news to me to find out recently that slave-owners had been paid compensation. I thought they’d just been made to give them up and that was that…..whoops!

450753 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Hayes, #115 of 751 🔗

The Kaaba could be under threat too.

451030 ▶▶▶ mj, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #116 of 751 🔗

no – the saudis are still quite ok about slavery ..

450967 ▶▶ katz, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #117 of 751 🔗

My grandchildren will be tearing down the statue of drakeford in years to come. It’s the only thing they have to look forward to.

451144 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #118 of 751 🔗

I have written to the Roman Church and Parliament demanding reparations for my people, the English, for the horrors of their slave trade. For the rape of our daughters especially Boudicca and the Iceni tribe. Yes I know we burnt down Colchester but that was your fault. So the slave trade in the UK was about 160 years. The Romans ruled and enslaved us for 400 years so we must get at least 2.5 times what they get?

I have then written to Denmark, Sweden, and Norway demanding reparations for their enslavement if British people. I await their replies. In the meantime has anyone got a contact address for the Barbary pirates?

450672 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 5, #119 of 751 🔗

This may sound like a minor terminology issue but it could be important.

The terms being used to describe the vaccination certificates include Freedom Pass and Vaccine Passports. Both of these indicate something positive about the certificates.

I propose that a standard generic term is adopted by LS and its ilk for describing the certificates. This should use words that have appropriate negative coercive connotations but is not so derogatory that it is not taken seriously.

The term vaccination certificate has been used to some extent. That does not contain the positive connotations but ideally the term adopted would be more powerful than that.

Any suggestions?

450675 ▶▶ scuzbert, replying to SilentP, 1, #120 of 751 🔗

Medical Permit? Vaxx Permit? I’ll keep thinking.

450685 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to scuzbert, 10, #121 of 751 🔗

Permit has the correct tone.
Coronovirus Compliance Permit perhaps

450677 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to SilentP, 3, #122 of 751 🔗

How about’Travel Permit’? ‘cos that’s all it is really.

450693 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Judy Watson, 4, #123 of 751 🔗

Exit visa

450702 ▶▶▶ scuzbert, replying to Judy Watson, 3, #124 of 751 🔗

Well, yes and no. It’s altogether possible one will be required to enter a pub, restaurant, theatre or even a shop.

451408 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to scuzbert, #125 of 751 🔗

Can’t see it happening for pubs or shops. Maybe theatres where they like to know who their customers are and ask for your details if you book in advance – “so we can get in touch if the event is cancelled” is the excuse they use.

450680 ▶▶ Annie, replying to SilentP, 13, #126 of 751 🔗

The Zombie Pass.

450687 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to SilentP, 13, #127 of 751 🔗

I Gave Away My Freedom Pass? The Illusion of Freedom Pass? Certificate of Genetic Modification? Patsy Pass?

450696 ▶▶ TC, replying to SilentP, 12, #128 of 751 🔗

Impfung macht frei?

450698 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to SilentP, 9, #129 of 751 🔗

Experimental vaccine permit

Important to have the word experimental in there

450710 ▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to SilentP, 12, #130 of 751 🔗

Proof of Prick. POP for short.

450873 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 4, #131 of 751 🔗

Proof of Occult Prick. POOP for short?

450716 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to SilentP, 4, #132 of 751 🔗

The Prick Chip, or the Chipped Pricks, as I shall be referring to such.

450771 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jinks, 1, #133 of 751 🔗

Implanted chips will be coming soon.
There was a trial in a Scandinavian city in which people agreed to have a chip inserted into their flesh for the dubious benefit of easier access to a Niteclub and service at the bar.

450800 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to karenovirus, 3, #134 of 751 🔗

There are around 300k voluntarily chipped Swede pricks, for convenience and security

451069 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Jinks, 2, #135 of 751 🔗

Why would anyone volunteer for their own enslavement? It’s like digging your own grave!

450726 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to SilentP, 4, #136 of 751 🔗

gene therapy thingy

450736 ▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to SilentP, 28, #137 of 751 🔗

Apartheid Form

That’s what I’ve been calling it. It REALLY shocks people. I say, “I won’t be involved with medical apartheid and nor should you. It is not even remotely legal”.

At the end of the day, it’s a great big psy op – they are bleating on about it to SCARE people into taking the drug. It’s sadly working! I know young people who say, “I’m going to book in and get it because I don’t want to be stopped from going into shops.” Vile, EVIL lies.

450819 ▶▶▶ CivilianNotCovidian, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 12, #138 of 751 🔗

Actually I prefer:

Apartheid Papers

Use all the connotations we can.

I also call the “mask exempt lanyard” the “yellow star” – when asked to wear a lanyard I say, “No, I will not wear a yellow star, my uncovered face shows that I am mask exempt.”

450933 ▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to CivilianNotCovidian, 5, #139 of 751 🔗

Slightly amended to “apartheid pass”. It’s definitely one of my comments now that “If I’d wanted to experience what apartheid was like – then I’d have moved to South Africa”.

450783 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to SilentP, 5, #140 of 751 🔗
  1. Artificial Immunity Certificate
  2. Stage 3 Trial Membership Card (good till 2023.)
  3. Red Card (cf. Israel’s Green Card which has connotations of forward progress, permission to go on, citizenship. In reality it can turn Red anytime if the government change the rules e.g. you now need a twice-yearly booster or it’s invalid.)
  4. PharmaPass (are you a Company man?)
  5. CovidPass (it’s for Covid so link it indelibly to that nothing-burger.)
450789 ▶▶ AB, replying to SilentP, 10, #141 of 751 🔗

Coercion certificate

450839 ▶▶ Liberty, replying to SilentP, 8, #142 of 751 🔗

Limited Life License

450849 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to SilentP, 3, #143 of 751 🔗

Test Subject Tag

450882 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 8, #144 of 751 🔗

Thank you for the very inventive suggestions so far. Some of the more derogatory ones could be used colloquially but do not really meet the criteria I set, where they could be recognised as an accepted standard term.

The one I favour at this stage:

Coronavirus Compliance Permit

450899 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to SilentP, 5, #145 of 751 🔗

Agreed! I like C.C.P.

450904 ▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to SilentP, #146 of 751 🔗

Perhaps something with a Germanic undertone?

450908 ▶▶▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to Robin Birch, 2, #147 of 751 🔗

How about Coronovirus-Konformitätserlaubnis

450937 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Robin Birch, 1, #148 of 751 🔗

Vakzine Papier
Impfpapier

451206 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to SilentP, 1, #149 of 751 🔗

I would just go for Compliance Permit. Basically its just compliance to any rules they decide to make up, whether to do with covid or not.

450921 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to SilentP, 1, #150 of 751 🔗

Pharma Compliant Permit.
NPC Pass.

450938 ▶▶ gone_loopy, replying to SilentP, 2, #151 of 751 🔗

Permit to Live.

450953 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to SilentP, 1, #152 of 751 🔗

Proof of Existence

450978 ▶▶ katz, replying to SilentP, 2, #153 of 751 🔗

‘Permit’ definitely has different, negative connotations. It’s about being given permission to do something, so the power is with the authority doling out the permission, rather than on the person who has done whatever is mandated.

451131 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to katz, 1, #154 of 751 🔗

Dog licence.

451088 ▶▶ Dobba, replying to SilentP, 1, #155 of 751 🔗

Apartheid Permit/Pass

451151 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to SilentP, 1, #156 of 751 🔗

Apartheid Certificate.

450673 dbrown, replying to dbrown, 87, #157 of 751 🔗

All over the northern hemisphere the case/death rate is plunging in almost identical fashion with the approach of spring—regardless of whether countries or states locked down or not. (But watch them claim that lockdowns and vaccine did it all.)It’s purely malignant, political hubris on the part of the dominant elites to think that society can technocratically control fundamental elements of nature ,such as viruses , that have been co-evolving with life for millions of years.But the truly hideous part is that this has all been based on three media -generated lies. 1)That this virus is “novel”. 2) It is so lethal that all of humanity is at risk. 3) And that there is no no known defence against it. Ergo:Totalitarianism under the rubric of medical science is the order of the day.Yet the past year has clearly shown that: a) this thing called COV Sars2 behaves very much like all other coronaviruses. b) 99.5% of people exposed it did not die. c) That there is an enormous defence against it called the human immune system—particularly in people in good metabolic health..(Leave alone a plethora of other potentially useful pharmaceutical and natural treatments, when used wisely.) What’s the big panic?We’re ostensibly “following the science”, yet esteemed scientists around the globe—in immunology, virology, epidemiology etc—are challenging the dominant narrative —only to be censored and maligned! Seems the only “science” being followed here is that of state and corporate sponsored applied behavioural psychology—which is nothing more than fear-based propaganda.That brings us to a question so hard for most people grapple with, especially in this time of societal moral panic. Why are they doing all this? It is all part of a far greater social/political transformation than meets the eye. It goes by several different names—Building Back Better, Global Reset etc– and there are lots of accompanying “kooky” theories too. So, sadly most people simply can’t handle thinking about it all and simply tune out , hoping it will all work out somehow. The vaccines at the moment being the current comfort blanket.All we can do to is remain clear minded and remember that history moves dialectically, and that for every action there is a reaction. And hope that the arrogant technocrats who think they are currently in charge of this psy-op will be soon given a rude awakening. Or that those of us in opposition can courageously flip them with a sort of global martial arts maneuver. By turning their carefully constructed “moral panic” psychological techniques against them. Starting with shouting :lockdowns don’t save lives they cost lives! Untested vaccines don’t make you safe, they can potentially put you in harm’s way! It’s not being “selfish” to oppose locking down the majority of the population to save a tiny, vulnerable minority. Instead its utterly immoral and criminal to harm the vast majority—in so many ways—by trying dubiously to safeguard a minority that could have been more effectively protected through less expensive, focused protection measures. That it’s not Covid -19 that is “sadly” upsetting”normal” life and society as we knew it. But instead it is pig-headed, ratings-obsessed, know-nothing politicians ,wanting to look like they are “doing something”. That it’s not “virtuous” to uncritically “follow public health”, while being too lazy to educate yourself about how to live a healthy life. And that being healthy is not that hard and can actually be enormously satisfying.And so on and so on. . . . But we must not give up!We have to stand our ground and keep fighting back. With data.By donating to the legal campaigns. By supporting our friends and allies. By forming networks .By challenging the narrative. By asking questions and making sure we know the answers before we pose them to others. And also by using humour—either good natured or scathing depending on the situation. I sense we’re on the brink of a turning point here. I could be wrong as they have so many ways to bamboozle people. But I feel it would make a big difference if everyone were to magically see that so many other people are as skeptical as they are , and that they are not alone. I wonder is that why there is such a continued insistence on anti-social distancing even though the virus has literally disappeared again?I feel these damned masks may be our enemy’s soft under belly. Most people despise them, but are too afraid to say so—or they fret about “standing out”. But when summer comes will they continue to slavishly submit?To console myself, I sometimes run the conclusion to an imaginary movie in my head. It’s of people of all races and all types all over the globe spontaneously ripping off those stupidity -inducing masks–with music from Beethoven’s Ode to Joy or whatever playing in the background. They are taking in gulps of healthy fresh air, smiling, hugging, and joyously regaining their freedom. The thought of it allows me to continue on being

450697 ▶▶ scuzbert, replying to dbrown, 9, #158 of 751 🔗

A thoughtful, though-provoking comment – thankyou!

450931 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to dbrown, 4, #159 of 751 🔗

I love your 3 media-generated lies and the response to them. so simple and so true, thanks for posting this.

450979 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to maggie may, 5, #160 of 751 🔗

I forget who posted it the other day but I really liked this response to 1) that it’s something completely new they had to deal with: (to paraphrase) It’s not something new – the clue is in the name – it’s called SARS-CoV- 2 .

451242 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #161 of 751 🔗

I’ve said that to a number of people who have tried to tell me that Covid is unprecedented and new.

451058 ▶▶ katz, replying to dbrown, 3, #162 of 751 🔗

Yes it would end things if everyone could magically see that everyone else is as sceptical as they are. How does that happen? McCarthyism eventually died a death due to the waning of public popularity and people who were brave enough to question his madness didn’t it? How did that happen? Why are most human beings so stupid?

451082 ▶▶ jos, replying to dbrown, 5, #163 of 751 🔗

Stand outside any bus stop or railway station in the UK and you can see the ripping off of masks and the blissful airgasms of people gulping fresh air. It’s already happening.

451163 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to dbrown, 2, #164 of 751 🔗

Beautifully said. 👏 the hoops people are jumping through just to keep this idiotic narrative going is a sight to see. As Hitchins said right at the beginning, the problem with empowerment is its really, really hard to give it up. They know if they let us go now people will see its all been bullshit and will never be coerced again.

450682 Annie, replying to Annie, 11, #165 of 751 🔗
451138 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Annie, #166 of 751 🔗

Done

451228 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Annie, #167 of 751 🔗

x2 here

450691 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #168 of 751 🔗

Interesting article from the Mirror.
An NHS worker who complained on a Farcebook group about people not obeying lockdown rules is suspended months later after a single anonymous complaint and is subject to a kafkaesque investigation (‘all the evidence is secret’).

From the photo it looks as though he is suffering from a case of maskitis.

450803 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to karenovirus, 1, #169 of 751 🔗

The slave rag wears him.

450846 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to karenovirus, 3, #170 of 751 🔗

It’s the FFP3 masks. They are a tight fit. But the side effect is possible face scarring.

451226 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 1, #171 of 751 🔗

hahaha, hope his face falls off.

450695 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 25, #172 of 751 🔗

Reminder to Christians that singing is not ‘against the law’. It’s only guidance.

And even if it was against the law there is a higher law to obey which states we are to sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs to one another.

Have a blessed day.

450699 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Ed Phillips, 22, #173 of 751 🔗

One of the saddest, among many, things about a young man’s funeral which I witnessed lately was the instruction to the small group attending that they could not sing the hymns but could mouth the words into their masks.
I say sad, actually it made me hopping mad. But sad for the people there, who are deeply religious and if anything could make an already awful situation worse, that certainly was not going to help.

450707 ▶▶▶ scuzbert, replying to disgruntled246, 13, #174 of 751 🔗

I’m surprised humming wasn’t recommended: that way, the mouth doesn’t need to open at all.
Disgusting and inhumane way to treat people who are probably at their lowest ebb.

450712 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to scuzbert, 21, #175 of 751 🔗

Our Zombie Dean decreed that ‘on no account’ were people in our Coward Covidian church to be ‘permitted to hum’.

What would the bully boys have done at the funeral if people had started to sing? Stopped the service and turned everybody out? Called the police?

450722 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 34, #176 of 751 🔗

When my youngest sister, the baby of the family, was murdered 6yrs ago, I sang “You’ll Never Walk Alone” as her coffin was carried in. I find it difficult in the extreme to imagine what kind of human being would’ve stopped me. I’m filled with so much sorrow, at the unthinking cruelty of people being convinced of the moral superiority of inflicting such soul-destroying, needless suffering.

450826 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Jinks, 8, #177 of 751 🔗

I am very sorry to hear about the terrible loss your family suffered.

451076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Alethea, #178 of 751 🔗

Thank you.

450713 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to scuzbert, 3, #179 of 751 🔗

Inhumane is the word I would use too.

450781 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #180 of 751 🔗

Inhuman.

451417 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to scuzbert, #181 of 751 🔗

Naughty boys in my class at school sometimes would hum to annoy the teacher without being identified.

450727 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to disgruntled246, 9, #182 of 751 🔗

Well before lockdown I went to a couple of funerals which were ‘non religious’. As well as having no prayers there were also no hymns. I found it most strange and came away thinking I had missed out on what is a fundamental part of saying goodbye to one’s friend. I did of course have a few quiet prayers to myself. To think that such funerals are now the ‘normal’ is dreadful.

450730 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to davews, 4, #183 of 751 🔗

It would be strange to have no songs at all. Surely everybody would have some appropriate song even if it was My Way!

451372 ▶▶▶▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to disgruntled246, #184 of 751 🔗

We certainly did at my Dad’s funeral, lots of the music he loved. Also a young friend who died at 21, her funeral was full of music and singing as she was a singer herself. Never been to a religious funeral that was half as good a send off.

450804 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to disgruntled246, 1, #185 of 751 🔗

What? Don’t the masks work then?

450709 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Ed Phillips, 12, #186 of 751 🔗

I sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs every Sunday morning, in the open air.
Schwarzkopf it ain’t, but it’s as loud as I can manage.

450703 JamesDrebin, 5, #187 of 751 🔗

A parody public information film about coronavirus… made from genuine 1970s public information film clips:

https://youtu.be/5q7HkxNhnXA

450704 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 18, #188 of 751 🔗

Do you remember that quant old saying: “It’s a free country”?
Or was it just a figment of my imagination?

450708 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Fingerache Philip, 9, #189 of 751 🔗

I remember it – I don’t know when it stopped being true. I guess it was changed increment by increment, because that’s the way Marxists work.

450714 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to this is my username, 10, #190 of 751 🔗

It was abolished a year ago, along with human rights and all that quaint old-fashioned nonsense.

450715 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to this is my username, 9, #191 of 751 🔗

Not sure that closing schools and hospitals, abandoning the poor whilst allowing the middle class to flourish at home, destroying small businesses and lining the pockets of both the pharmaceutical and online retail industries, is what Marx ever had in mind.

450739 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to danny, 8, #192 of 751 🔗

No he had other do-good ideas that he wanted to impose on society that ultimately created huge misery.

it pays to be suspicious of people that want to force you to do something for your own good.

450786 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to danny, 3, #193 of 751 🔗

Think I’ll carry on giving Marx a miss.

450717 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Fingerache Philip, 1, #195 of 751 🔗

We were, until we gave up our guns!

450969 ▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Fingerache Philip, 3, #196 of 751 🔗

It was much used in my youth (70s and 80s), but progressively fell out of use in response to reality.

450719 TJN, replying to TJN, -27, #197 of 751 🔗

I’ve been thinking about the vaccine. I guess the call will come before long. Everyone around me is having it, and proud of it. So if I refuse I’ll be an outcast, as well as soon being banned from many, perhaps all, public venues – to say nothing of lost freedom of movement and no more foreign travel – leaving me effectively an untermensch. And by refusing the vaccine I risk being regarded as selfish, as shirking responsibility, and as riding on the backs of others who do their duty – the antithesis of the altruism that binds a society together, and secures our place within it.

I know I am at low risk from covid myself, but I’d feel terrible if I infected someone else. By having the vaccine I’d be contributing to herd immunity, ensuring the safety of people around me, and doing my bit towards the re-opening of society. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer it will be for everyone, resulting in less need for future lockdowns.

Johnson pointing at us Kitchener-like saying ‘your country needs you jabbed’ might be irksome, but should it deflect us from making the right decision? Isn’t that decision eventually inevitable anyway? Haven’t we all got an obligation to play our part in the collective national effort? Shouldn’t we accept that normality can return only with mass vaccination, followed by the boosters, and more boosters, and that we all have to do our bit? Isn’t vaccination the fastest and safest way to getting our lives back, and the only way out of this?

Whether we like it or not, as a society we indeed ‘all in this together’. Perhaps it’s best to bend with the wind at times, and give just a little to gain a great deal.

450721 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 85, #198 of 751 🔗

Nah, only joking. Not going anywhere near it.

450723 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to TJN, 35, #199 of 751 🔗

Good lad/lass! I imagine we will never know the true number of people who have declined the vaccine; the numbers reported are always ‘people OFFERED’ not people actually JABBED. That’s deliberate on the part of our government to make the rollout look better. Remember, they are using every trick in the book to coerce, bully, pressure, and force people into having something they might not necessarily want. If this was genuinely for our health, they wouldn’t need to do that.

450729 ▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Poppy, 17, #200 of 751 🔗

My GP surgery called me. They offered the evil prick. I said no. To their incredulity.
then they called me again, repeat of offer, left on voicemail. I haven’t replied, since they already had my answer.
three texts received: again repeating the offer.
on Friday i received a letter….same offer.

450774 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #201 of 751 🔗

Block the number.

450778 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 10, #202 of 751 🔗

God they are absolutely desperate for people to get this damn thing. Don’t they realise we know what their game is?

450784 ▶▶▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 22, #203 of 751 🔗

the same GP surgeries who are far too busy to treat cancer patients. they really are now just drug pushers for big pharma, aren’t they? time to take myself out of the NHS

450922 ▶▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 3, #204 of 751 🔗

I received the dreaded letter last week and it remains unopened. I’ve decided to tick the addressee no longer at this address box and return it just to see what happens. As far as I’m concerned this is junk mail and should be treated as such.

450943 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 6, #205 of 751 🔗

One short sharp response back to the effect of “Protection from Harassment Act 1997 applies – so SHUT UP. I’ve kept a record of just how often you’ve harassed me so far and you are well into territory covered by that Act. I repeat – SHUT UP”.

450955 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, 1, #206 of 751 🔗

They sound desperate, perhaps they have a lot of stock building up.

450990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marg, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #207 of 751 🔗

They seem to have ordered billions more doses than there are citizens. I have had 3 text up to now – on the last one it asked for a response, which was I will not be having the vaccine. Things have gone quiet since. If I get another one I shall be polite but firmer. I believe there is a lot of wastage. Matt Hancock seems to have no conception of numbers, hence PPE is being stored in warehouses around the country at enormous expense. No wonder the contracts were redacted, especially the price per unit. These wonderful friends of his and his Tory mates coming to the rescue. I wonder if commission was built in. Just saying

450997 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #208 of 751 🔗

Sounds desperate to me.

451212 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #209 of 751 🔗

Similar here. We declined the GP “offer” and ignored half a dozen “No Number” landline calls. (No SIM in my phone). Ignored at least three letters each for my wife and I

450735 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Poppy, 7, #210 of 751 🔗

I saw a report in the BMJ, that there was only around a 38% uptake of the death-jab. I think I bookmarked it. I’ll see if I can find it.

450741 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Jinks, #211 of 751 🔗

Sorry. Doesn’t look like I did. Bollocks.

450757 ▶▶▶▶▶ Llamasaurus Rex, replying to Jinks, 1, #212 of 751 🔗

death-jab

has a certain ring to it. 👍🏻

450796 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Llamasaurus Rex, #213 of 751 🔗

I’m thinking of extending it to death-murder-jab.

450892 ▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Jinks, 7, #214 of 751 🔗

I’m not sure if it was the one you were looking for but there is similar in the NHS document about how to persuade people to take it up from Dec 2020. Somebody else has posted the link further down/up this page.
This is the fella. https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/Vaccination%20do%20and%20donts%20by%20audience%20cohorts.pdf

450994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marg, replying to Jinks, #215 of 751 🔗

I also think that people are not going for 2nd jab. I know there is a time lag but it sounds as if only 1m have received the second.

451154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Marg, #216 of 751 🔗

Maybe some decided after severe side effects not to have the 2nd.
And many will have died, either as a result of the “vaccine” or of natural causes.

450754 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 50, #217 of 751 🔗

Good lad/lass!

I’ll give you a clue – if Mrs TJN (an arch sceptic) saw this post she’s have a go at me for wasting my time and having nothing better to do than write such garbage …

Yep, they will use every trick in the book to coerce us into taking this poison, and then the endless series of boosters afterwards.

My post is supposed to be a parody of the emotional blackmail they will use, to which very many people will succumb.

Then there’s the stick of the vaccine passport, to which many others will succumb. I can’t be sure of course, but I reckon that is largely bluff. I’m prepared to call their hand on this, and even if it isn’t bluff still face them down.

They’ll have to starve me and the TJN household out, by which time my guess is that awful vaccine side effects will have been revealed, and the game will be up.

Either way, knuckle down and stand the course.

450768 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to TJN, 35, #218 of 751 🔗

Agree that the vaccine passport is largely bluff to get people to cave. After all, it got Peter Hitchens, who is supposedly an arch-sceptic, to capitulate, so I imagine those who are less truculent and merely sitting on the fence will be even more likely to give in.

I say the passport is mainly bluff because there are people in society who generally cannot have the vaccine due to medical reasons, and a passport would exclude them. Discrimination lawyers would have a field day, and not only that, but ‘medical reason’ could be easily widened to those who decline because they are concerned about possible side-effects.

Furthermore, if such a passport system was going to be introduced, the easiest way to do it would be to set all the data and infrastructure up before people were jabbed, but we’re already at 20 million offered and we’ve seen how incompetent the state is – they’d have to retroactively sort out absolutely masses of data and someone get a smartphone app linked to confidential medical records, and all this is another goldmine for data protection lawyers.

There are so many regulatory and legal hoops to jump through that vaccine passports will take a few years yet. That will give us time to take stock and fight back.

450797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 12, #219 of 751 🔗

Yep, pretty well my thoughts too. It would be fascinating to watch them trying to explain why the Nuremberg Code is soooo 1940s.

As you say, the data is probably an unretrievable mess already. And there is no prospect of them getting a passport together before the end of the year. Given that stuff is due to reopen from April (and it’s hard to see that this can be delayed), are they really going to turn around late this year and tell people that they can no longer use venues as they have over the previous six months?

https://twitter.com/pcrclaims

is good on the passport/compulsion subject.

I suspect Peter Hitchens actually wanted the jab, and sought to persuade himself and others of the travel pretext as justification. But that’s his business, and nothing to do with me, so I shouldn’t and won’t criticise him for it.

450821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Still Got It, replying to Poppy, 6, #220 of 751 🔗

Completely agree. And this is why I am
holding out and will jump through whatever hoops, tests, quarantines to get the children on holiday this year.

451274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Still Got It, 1, #221 of 751 🔗

My concern is the medium- and long-term dangers of the rushed, novel, untested, irreversible , mRNA, gene therapy.

450829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Polonium1806, replying to Poppy, 6, #222 of 751 🔗

Thanks for a more positive view on this. Some people can get to feel defeated before the battle comes and this is no way to win anything. Lot of things might happen and most of of them impossible to predict even for best algorithms they have in their sciency cupboard.

450832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Poppy, 7, #223 of 751 🔗

Plus there will be loopholes for say, politicians and diplomats, to have Diplomatic Immunity Passports. They don’t need to be fed the drugs like the plebs. They are the drug dealers.

450975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mhcp, 4, #224 of 751 🔗

Hancock has already said he doesn’t have to take the jab because he’s has the virus, so we can all claim to have had it too.

450868 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Poppy, 1, #225 of 751 🔗

I don’t think we will see a “vaccine passport” within the UK but I think vaccination to travel is inevitable, unfortunately.

450911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to Will, 4, #226 of 751 🔗

I think the entire Western economy is going to go off a cliff. It’s a managed decline and China is going to emerge the largest consumer market.

Holidaying is OVER for most people for at least ten years. With global warming scam restrictions I suspect forever.

Any people on here talking about getting out of this shithole cuntry really need to do it now, before the Borislin Wall goes up for good.

Even peopole were allowed to cross the Berlin wall if they were pensioners, I think. Yeah, as I understand it was basically a massive anti-brain-drain and skills-drain operation.

Now they are going to contain people as population management is going to be a huge industry.

451068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FedupofLies, #227 of 751 🔗

There must be a unilateral write-off of all debt, and fiat currency system must be destroyed along with the private banks, job done. THEY will own nothing and we will be happy.

450977 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Will, 1, #228 of 751 🔗

If that means I cannot travel abroad, sobeit.

450906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Poppy, 8, #229 of 751 🔗

The vaccine passport is not a bluff.It is very real and has been planned by the EU for at least 3 years.Our own government have been busy developing plans for a digital identity as well.
That is not to say that it doesn’t face logistical and legal problems but after what we have seen the past year they will be cast aside.
Business will be so desperate to open up they will do the governments dirty work for them.

450968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Poppy, 2, #230 of 751 🔗

I think most of what the media screeches at us is mostly bluff. They know the majority are sheeple and will do as they are told even when they don’t have to.

451016 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 3, #231 of 751 🔗

Agree. The T&T & QR fiasco as is the Israeli article ATL shows how unworkable this all is.

No matter how hi tech the phones are, they still have massive issues. Those people who try to pay or swipe in and out underground stations using their phones or watches almost always hold up the queue because the phones don’t read the machines properly or reject them.

450802 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 14, #232 of 751 🔗

I will react to any establishment trying to demand my vaccine permit as I did with those that went OTT with Track’n’Trace.

Simply go elsewhere, even different branches of Weatherspoons implemented that in different ways.

450897 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to TJN, 8, #233 of 751 🔗

I think to be honest people should be less afraid of the dystopic stuff about digital grids and so on, and more about food shortages and loss in standard of living. I think that is coming.

450901 ▶▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to TJN, 2, #234 of 751 🔗

I don’t know how much food you have in your cupboard. Mine is full and it really only does for two months.

Then you have to think about gas source and water source and sterilisation.

They would cut off essential services.

451006 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to FedupofLies, #235 of 751 🔗

We’re half off grid anyway. Can get various food from local farms. Going to get an air rifle so I can shoot wildlife. And there’s always roadkill around here.

451387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, #236 of 751 🔗

‘wildlife’

I like it.

450946 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to TJN, 5, #237 of 751 🔗

..and don’t forget to remind them that car insurance companies aren’t likely to cover them if they have the jab. Lots of people seem to be so intent on foreign travel that they’d put their health at risk and sacrifice their freedom/bodily autonomy. But I bet they’ll think twice if they’re not allowed to drive their cars.

450773 ▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to Poppy, 2, #238 of 751 🔗

Yes I agree with you Poppy

450795 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 4, #239 of 751 🔗

Yes, I’d noticed the ‘offered vaccine’, same sleight of hand as ‘with covid/from covid’ which many people are now aware of.

450952 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Poppy, 3, #240 of 751 🔗

We declined the jab. I think the fact its experimental and the trials have another year to go an excellent excuse.

450724 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to TJN, 20, #241 of 751 🔗

Phew!
Seriously though, the friends of mine who are rushing to have it – they have done nothing ‘socially minded’ during these lockdowns, whereas I the lockdown sceptic (or denier as Dan Hodges would call us) and vaccine-hesitant one and not to blow my own trumpet joined the local volunteer scheme and shopped and picked up prescriptions for people who are isolating or housebound. They want the vaccine for their own good, not for ours.

450777 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to disgruntled246, 17, #242 of 751 🔗

Indeed, vaxxistas and lockdownistas are selfish to the very core of their miserable non-being.

450799 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Annie, 3, #243 of 751 🔗

Precisely. And all garbed in the most pharisaical hypocrisy.

450950 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, 6, #244 of 751 🔗

I’d throw in – immature as well. We all know that children learn what’s what by watching others as they grow up. That’s how they learn to talk/walk/etc/etc and it’s vital social skills at that age. But there comes a point where the next level social skill is learning to be an adult (ie part of that involves learning thinking skills).

450960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ElizaP, 6, #245 of 751 🔗

I was talking to a young mum yesterday. Her two year old starts pre-school tomorrow.
The child does not know what another two year old is.

450983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 4, #246 of 751 🔗

It makes you want to weep!

451023 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Annie, 2, #247 of 751 🔗

Agree. And they’re like the Pharisees who like to parade their virtue around publicly.

450920 ▶▶▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to disgruntled246, -3, #248 of 751 🔗

I once donated two cans of soup to some kind of a foodbank. I thought I’d feel good about myself, but honestly the truth is I couldn’t give a salty fuck about anyone except myself.

Charity begins at home.

Morality is an ILLUSION and just a way of dressing up social cohesion.

GOD is a lie though there is a faint slim chance that SATAN is real, in which case I glorify him!!!

450732 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to TJN, 15, #249 of 751 🔗

Reading this, I could feel my temperature rising. You really had me there! However, this is exactly where so many are at! Humanity needs serious intervention. Some form of Divine Slap to shock it out of this mass hysteria. Suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, it needs to be divorced from it’s Corporate abuser. It’s a daunting and messy task, that lays before those of us refusing to comply.

450779 ▶▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TJN, 6, #250 of 751 🔗

you had me for a moment

450793 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 2, #251 of 751 🔗

You little devils advocate you.

450898 ▶▶▶ LS99, replying to TJN, 4, #252 of 751 🔗

Lol, you had me fooled there. The post had just the right conciliatory, virtue signalling tone. Well played.

451009 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to LS99, 3, #253 of 751 🔗

I love a good piss take.

450959 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to TJN, 4, #254 of 751 🔗

Brilliant, that’s the best laugh I’ve had in ages, although you had me worried to start with 🤣

451011 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #255 of 751 🔗

And right now I have 20 downvotes! I don’t know why I bother …

451070 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to TJN, 1, #256 of 751 🔗

it’s funny. Shows even here, how such things go over peoples heads.

450996 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to TJN, 1, #257 of 751 🔗

April Fool (advanced). Brilliant.

450744 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 17, #258 of 751 🔗

Unfortunately there are a lot of social pressures coming through, one of my wife’s music groups have already asked ‘have you had your jab yet?’ as a prelude to starting real music group meeting again. If you can just say yes, well that’s easy you just get ticked off, if you say no, you are challenged as to why not and when? My wife hates those sort of discussions, she cannot cope with them and so is inclined to risk the vaccination just to avoid these challenging conversations which are not good for her mental health.
So far she is holding off at least until another vaccine (Novavax) comes along but I am not sure if she (or me for that matter) can cope with this continuing social pressure?

I am sure many on this site are strong characters who will readily stand their ground on this but there are many people whose character is such that they cannot cope with this and will cave in to the social pressure for the sake of their mental well being.
It is not a nice world they have created for us.

450745 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #259 of 751 🔗

Can you encourage her to say she has been told she’s not medically suitable for the vaccine, and doesn’t want to talk about the reasons as it’s private? Or something along those lines.

450761 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to disgruntled246, 21, #260 of 751 🔗

Sound advice.

Absolutely no way anyone should take this because of social pressure. Anyone who’s taking it because of social pressure doesn’t really want it, and clearly shouldn’t be having it.

450769 ▶▶▶▶▶ Janette, replying to TJN, 8, #261 of 751 🔗

I do wonder how many people that had the first jab will go for their second one?

450841 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Janette, 5, #262 of 751 🔗

The Behavioural Insights Team are addressing that. See p. 12 at NHS England and NHS Improvement document Optimising Vaccination Roll Out – Dos and Don’ts for all messaging, documents and “communications” in the widest sense

https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/Vaccination%20do%20and%20donts%20by%20audience%20cohorts.pdf

450988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Janette, 2, #263 of 751 🔗

Me too, I know a few who are desperate to go on holiday abroad and have had it purely for that reason. Now of course no one is allowed out of the country unless they have important business, (like politicians for instance LOL)!

450809 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to disgruntled246, 6, #264 of 751 🔗

Thanks Probably the best approach, most people recognise that medical stuff is confidential and so hopefully would back off at that point.

450848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #265 of 751 🔗

If pressured into saying more she could just say she was told she is allergic to PEG. If they ask what that is she can just say she doesn’t know all that technical stuff but it’s something in the vaccine.

450755 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #266 of 751 🔗

Just reply that your natural immune system has been shown to be 99.7% effective against the virus and 100% natural whereas the vaccines are at best 90% effective.

Say you are happy to take a vaccine as soon as they produce one that is more effective than your immune system.

450758 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #267 of 751 🔗

It is getting really irritating people almost as the first point in any conversation asking ‘have you had the jab?’ or ‘won’t be long until you have your jab’

Can she just say I think I’ve had the virus and so don’t need the jab. And if asked when/how just say a while ago just mild symptoms. I think we’ve all had mild symptoms that we could attribute to covid at some point.

450766 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #269 of 751 🔗

All she has to say is that she’s waiting till the Phase 3 trials have finished, as she doesn’t want to be a medical guinea pig.

She may be greeted by vacant looks and thus have to expand on this a little, but needs must.

450787 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Steve Martindale, 24, #270 of 751 🔗

What I don’t understand is why people can’t just refuse to answer, or say ‘None of your business’, or ‘That’s a very personal question’ whenever someone asks them if they have had the vaccine or not. It gives no information whatsoever, so if the person who originally asked about the vaccine then makes ‘anti-vaxx’ assumptions as a result of the person refusing to answer, then the problem is with the person who asked the question.

It is incredibly invasive for someone who is not a health professional to ask about your medical history in casual conversation. Prior to 2020, imagine if someone had asked you breathlessly if you’d had the flu jab, or the tetanus jab, or any other vaccine that exists. You’d have thought they needed sectioning.

450801 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Poppy, 9, #271 of 751 🔗

I can understand people feeling embarrassed into answering, but why would you ask in the first place? And why would you go around pointing people in the direction of signing up to be jabbed as well. Just MYOB !

450815 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to disgruntled246, 4, #272 of 751 🔗

With music groups they are all fed up with music by zoom and the idea is that if they are all jabbed they can more safely and readily meet up and play as a group without being challenged. Those that have been jabbed see no problem and just assume everyone will go down that route so they can all start playing music together again.

450844 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #273 of 751 🔗

I understand the first part – but it is the second part which is the issue. It is the messianic fervour with which people are embracing it that I found odd and which seems to be removing the normal constraints of polite enquiry – you wouldn’t ask the whole group whether they’d had their piles treated.

450820 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Poppy, 3, #274 of 751 🔗

What I don’t understand is why people can’t just refuse to answer, or say ‘None of your business’, or ‘That’s a very personal question’

Unfortunately these sort of conversations are very difficult for people with autism or dyslexia, challenging conversations just ramp up the word blindness, confusion sets in and people are inclined to say yes OK just to end the conversation which they cannot cope with. There is such a huge social acceptance of these vaccines that people asking do not consider that there is any situation whereby you would not have the jab and get back to normal.

450890 ▶▶▶▶ fiery, replying to Poppy, 2, #275 of 751 🔗

Absolutely. I think a ‘prefer not to say’ option is a good idea.

451044 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 3, #276 of 751 🔗

You would have thought it was rude to ask about people’s medical matters. I would never in a million years ask about a person’s medical matters, if they volunteer with the information, fine. If they don’t I won’t ask much less pressure them to tell me.

451348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Bart Simpson, #277 of 751 🔗

That is what I would have thought.
“How long is it?”
“That’s a rather personal question.”

450792 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #278 of 751 🔗

just get a fake death-jab certificate.

450806 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #279 of 751 🔗

Steve, I have always been one to avoid confrontation and seek compromise wherever possible. I have recently “come out” about not having the vaccine “at this early stage while it’s experimental “.
I have been heartened that, after initial surprise, people seem to have accepted it. Maybe I’m lucky.
Anyway, for me it’s one area where compromise isn’t an option.

450837 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #280 of 751 🔗

You could have her say “No not yet. I’m still waiting on the contract for the money I’ll receive. What? They didn’t pay you for the drug testing.”

450858 ▶▶▶ Polonium1806, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #281 of 751 🔗

If I can give some small advice, being from former socialist country, which actually was a bureaucratic monster, feeding on tons of papers for this, certificates for that, so we were just lying, making stuff up, getting fake papers from someone. I know, I know, it’s not in the spirit of truthfulness and pure heart but what it taught me is fight much stronger enemy with whatever tricks you have in your pockets.

450859 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #282 of 751 🔗

I don’t think we owe the truth to people who have ceased to think rationally and act humanely. Certainly we don’t owe them the truth about a medical procedure that has zero relevance to their own physical wellbeing.

450965 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #283 of 751 🔗

I’ve got suspicions re the local book group I belong to might take this attitude and I do know that the person who runs it (or, to be more accurate, his wife) might take this attitude. Fingers crossed they won’t – but, if I go out, then I’ll go out with a BANG (ie they’ll all get told about it and exactly what I think of them).

I certainly “won’t go quiet into that good night” or whatever the phrase is. Hopeful that they’ll be so well aware I wouldnt tolerate being told to take the vax and nor would I tolerate being excluded (and I’m a pretty vocal person in that sort of context LOL) that they won’t try that one on.

450971 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #284 of 751 🔗

There is the thought too that – to some of us – our mental wellbeing includes self-respect. I hold this as one of my own strongest values and I can handle the World thinking ill of me (if I must…darn it) but my values are Eternal ones and self-respect is vital to me.

450973 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #285 of 751 🔗

They are Illegally asking for private medical information.
In that circumstance I would suggest lying is acceptable.

450985 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #286 of 751 🔗

All you have to say is its too soon as its still being trialled and you want to wait until next year before making up your mind.

451026 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #287 of 751 🔗

I would say “mind your own business” or under the Data Protection Act or GDPR I’m not inclined to discuss my private information with other people.”

451309 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, #288 of 751 🔗

To me the reality of social pressure pales in comparison with the concerns I have for the medium- and long-term dangers of the rushed, novel, untested, irreversible, mRNA, gene therapy.

450765 ▶▶ Janette, replying to TJN, 13, #289 of 751 🔗

But the vaccine does not stop you transmitting it it only reduces the symptoms from it so in my view there is no point to get it and don’t forget it is still experimental. We are the guinea pigs if we take it!

450776 ▶▶ JaneHarry, replying to TJN, 2, #290 of 751 🔗

there’s so many non-sequiturs in that I hardly know where to begin

450805 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JaneHarry, 3, #291 of 751 🔗

It’s a piss take! Based in part on the NHS England and NHS Improvement document Optimising Vaccination Roll Out – Dos and Don’ts for all messaging, documents and “communications” in the widest sense which someone posted on here a couple of days ago.

450828 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TJN, 7, #292 of 751 🔗

Suckered me in completely lol. Wish I’d seen this before I typed all the below!

Does TJN stand for Take Jab Now or Take Jab Never? Up to you but keep the faith. The “vaccines” do not offer herd immunity: they have not been proven or even claimed to stop you getting it or transmitting it, they just allegedly ameliorate the symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission has been shown by numerous studies to be low or very low. If you have one of the Covid generic symptoms self isolate for a week and you won’t be infecting anyone. The old and frail who are the overwhelming victims of Covid-associated deaths are just as likely to be carried off by flu or their own co-morbidities.

The more people cave into this totally unethical coercion for a totally unnecessary medical procedure, the more likelihood we we will entering an overly-controlled, hellish technocratic, world where we are all guinea pigs as well as slaves. The truth cannot be suppressed for much longer.

450847 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #293 of 751 🔗

If you thought I was being serious I commend you on the civility of your reply.

It’s got several downvotes right now. …

450867 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to TJN, 1, #294 of 751 🔗

More flies are caught with honey than vinegar 🙂 I save the Anglo-Saxon for when I bang my head on something.

451074 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #295 of 751 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 😉

450834 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to TJN, 12, #296 of 751 🔗

I don’t think that it is going to take very long for any problems to start showing up. They are already but because everyone is so enthusiastic about the products, those problems are not yet being recognised. Once people start trotting along for their 3rd or 4th vaccine it is going to be a lot harder to hide any side-effects by saying that they caught the virus post vaccine.

We only have to hang on in there facing social oprobium for a couple of years.

450986 ▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Puddleglum, 3, #297 of 751 🔗

That’s my take on it personally. After the hard year of the 3-week-Lockdown-that-wasnt we may indeed face another year or two before everyone (even the sheeple that managed to get off scot-free from vax illness somehow) will have to admit there’s been an awful lot of unusual illness going round in society. Look at Bells Palsy for instance (which sounds like one of the vax illnesses that comes up noticeably often) – and just how many people do they know with that then? Having got into my 60s to date – I’ve never yet encountered anyone with that or heard of anyone in my circle having that. So, if suddenly Mr/Ms Sheeple realise that they now know a couple of people with it for instance = surely that will give them pause for thought?

450854 ▶▶ FedupofLies, replying to TJN, 6, #298 of 751 🔗

Seeing morons after the 2008 financial ‘crisis’ repeat the slogan ‘We’re all in it together!’ and ‘We all have to tighten our belts!’ after the biggest transfer of wealth from the taxpayer upwards to the financial industry and corporations must have taught the globalists that the people really do have no self-respect and would be possible to screw over royally at some point in the future.

The truth is that it is very hard to respect people who have no respect for themselves, which is why I am beginning to wonder if I should be supporting whatever Gates et al have planned for the stupid majority.

450733 stewart, replying to stewart, 60, #299 of 751 🔗

Vaccine Passports = Science Denial

Restricting travel and public life based on vaccine passports denies the existence of our natural immune system. It implies that the human body is not capable of creating immunity to this new disease by itself and can only do so by artificial means.

In fact, not just vaccine passports but the whole response to the coronavirus around the world has been based on this idea.

This is so unscientific a belief that one could almost call it medieval.

Not only does the human immune system actually exist, in the vast majority of cases it either has immunity already to this new virus or is capable of creating it very quickly.

The human immune system is so powerful and complicated a system that medical scientists still don’t fully understand how it works. They even have trouble measuring its effects. Doctors and public health officials have relied on it as the principal tool for ensuring our health despite their limited understanding of it because to do otherwise would be a denial of reality.

Until last year that is, when politicians and public health officials around the world instructed everyone to behave as if the human immune system cannot work against the new virus by itself and would kill us if we came into contact with it.

Official public health policy in 2021 is to act on the belief that immunity to the new virus can only be provided by Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and any other artificial product recognised by a state bureaucracy.

These artificial immunity products have been created in a few months and tested against the new virus on a few thousand people with a reported 90% rate of success. Our natural immune system, created over millions of years has been tested against this new virus by hundreds of millions of people with a reported 99.7% rate of success overall.

Like many modern day products, the artificially produced immunity will quickly become obsolete and require regular updates. Possibly as frequently as every 6 months. The natural immune system is adaptive not just to this new virus but most new disease producing viruses. It updates itself automatically.

Anyone who suggests that the artificial product is not superior to the natural one will be considered a danger to society. In any case the plan is that anyone who refuses to accept the artificial product preferring to continue to rely on their natural immune system will be excluded from society.

This is not a parody. This is a description of current public health policy. It is not only unscientific and an outright denial of reality, it is an atrocity against humanity

450737 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to stewart, 4, #300 of 751 🔗

On the naming issue perhaps we should call them Immune System Rejection Passports?

450746 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Freecumbria, 5, #301 of 751 🔗

Like it: Immune System Denial Scheme

450747 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to stewart, 8, #302 of 751 🔗

The irony is such people will be framed as Science-deniers, Luddites and Flat-Earthers.

450785 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #303 of 751 🔗

I’m proud to be called a Biblical flat-Earther, and I saw this shitshow coming in January 2020.

450791 ▶▶ Janette, replying to stewart, 10, #304 of 751 🔗

The thing that I can’t understand is that the biggest number of deaths from this alleged virus was last March/April and deaths have been coming down ever since so why oh why do people not just stop and think why do I need a vaccine and what are the benefits to me. If they really did this then I am sure the vast majority would not bother having it.

450838 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Janette, 15, #305 of 751 🔗

Do you remember back last spring when “I’ve had it so I’m fine now” was a thing?

It is as if the last year has been used to brainwash people into thinking their immune systems are as good as useless, do not produce any antibodies worth considering and that only vaccination can create immunity.

It is truly monstrous what these so called scientists are peddling.

450850 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to stewart, 2, #306 of 751 🔗

Not scientists. Scientismists

450824 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to stewart, 23, #307 of 751 🔗

Like many modern day products, the artificially produced immunity will quickly become obsolete and require regular updates. Possibly as frequently as every 6 months. The natural immune system is adaptive not just to this new virus but most new disease producing viruses. It updates itself automatically”

That is the point. Jab EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS every 6 months minimum. More during the Flu season (variants, scary ones, big ones, flying ones).

They don’t stop transmission at all. No evidence exists of this. 15 K dead since Feb 1 after 95% of the over 70s were jabbed….so who died and why? Was it from the jab or is the jab simple not effective? (1% of the population only, will die from the flu every year, so 99% will not, if I jabbed the 99% who will never die and declare 95% effectiveness I am a data charlatan).

Flu vaxxes have 60 years of failure. They don’t work. Even the Fake News will print this every year (flu vaxxes only 10% effective etc).

So why the drugs? And why a passport for a flu with 99.7% survival? What is the point? Do they sheeple even have the mental acuity to ask such questions?

450949 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to FerdIII, 5, #308 of 751 🔗

I fear most people are already brain dead and unable to think for themselves. A communistic style life suits them.

451369 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to stewart, #309 of 751 🔗

The virus doesn’t kill healthy hosts, but …

450738 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 45, #310 of 751 🔗

Is Boris Johnson responsible for my health? No, I am. Am I responsible for Boris Johnson’s health? No, he is.
For my health I will not take the vaccine.

450742 ▶▶ stewart, replying to PatrickF, 22, #311 of 751 🔗

That is how it should be but isn’t.

Boris Johnson has taken away your responsibility for your health and given it to himself.

How do you feel about a self serving politician who has trouble keeping himself healthy dictating your health decisions to you?

450752 ▶▶▶ PatrickF, replying to stewart, 25, #312 of 751 🔗

His policies have caused my panic attacks, resulting in a day spent on hospital. I’m still learning how to cope. Some days are better than others. No panic attacks in my 60 years on this earth, prior to April 2020 when I had a physical and mental collapse.

451003 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to stewart, 3, #313 of 751 🔗

Johnston cannot take away responsibility for your health from you.

He can give orders to others to violate your liberty. All that does is make him a tyrant – not responsible for your health. The reality is he himself is following the orders of people that want to kill and enslave you.

451020 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to PatrickF, 2, #314 of 751 🔗

I insist on giving my vaccine to handoncock or the blonde spaffer with podgy old lady hands.

450749 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #315 of 751 🔗

That there video of Mr. Fox speaking at the top of the page?

Why all that drumming? Why’s it there? Who chose it? From whence was it obtained?

I’m constantly asking these questions but nary an answer do I ever get?

I have a cure for it though – I switch off. Is that the outcome that’s being sought?

450798 ▶▶ alw, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #316 of 751 🔗

If you want sanity restored then Lozza Fox is the man. Quit whinging and help put things right.

450840 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to alw, 8, #317 of 751 🔗

Why? Apart from LD, and his anti-woke agenda, what’s he hot yo offer? Genuine question, as, apart from his notoriety, and visibility, I don’t see what else he has to offer. If he’s genuine, why not work with David Kuerten? How is it helpful to split the vote, which it’s bound to do?

450886 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #318 of 751 🔗

I’ll answer my own question. In this instance I can perceive some purpose. It is a drum beat. I think it is an allusive to the drums that were drummed as soldiers went in to battle. And Mr. Fox is truly going in to battle.

It might be fitting for marching in to enemy fire – but not I think for giving a speech.

I think there is little doubt he would get my vote were I living in London. But I live nigh on as far as one can live from London and yet still be in England.

450750 alw, replying to alw, 6, #319 of 751 🔗

“Vaccine Passports Make a Mockery of Consent”
Indeed they do. I am travelling abroad in June, a special trip booked 2 years ago and vaccine passports are required by this country otherwise 2 weeks quarantine. Checked for other countries and similar, seems one cannot escape this lunacy, so with the greatest reluctance going for my first jab next week. I shall be making it quite clear to the person who administers the jab that whilst I consent to it it is being done by coercion which falls foul of legitimate consent and contravenes the Nuremberg Code.

450767 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to alw, 9, #320 of 751 🔗

If you tell that to the death-jab dealer, they’re duty-bound to refuse to “treat” you. Though, they’re probably so ignorant of said duty, they’ll death-jab you anyway. I wish you well.

451005 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to alw, 2, #321 of 751 🔗

Then they won’t administer it. Otherwise they truly are idiots.

You really should delay or postpone your trip in my view.

450756 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 27, #322 of 751 🔗

This is possibly the most disappointing ATL leading item so far. David Kurten is by far the better anti-lockdown mayoral candidate. He’s been an AM for years, he’s been on demos and he’s tried to hold Khan accountable for police brutality. All Fox has done is tweet, plus he’s compromised by his stance on the “vaccines”.

450760 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to mattghg, 2, #323 of 751 🔗

It’s very telling, isn’t it?

450794 ▶▶ alw, replying to mattghg, 2, #324 of 751 🔗

David Kurten although he presents well has some views that I and many others find off putting.

450816 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to alw, 5, #325 of 751 🔗

Unlike the Muslim mayor and his anti english racism. You find that comforting.

450835 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 3, #326 of 751 🔗

He’d never have won without the corrupt postal vote, and ballot-harvesting by his munshees.

450825 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to alw, 4, #327 of 751 🔗

Ah, but Pfeffle and Stammer’s thinking is so right-on, yay. There can be no diversity of opinion, eh? I took my children to Gay Pride, back in the day, when it wasn’t a glorified sex-show, and I don’t care what his personal beliefs are. He wants the Law upheld and recognises individual sovereignty. The worst he’d do is cut virtue-signalling funding, scrap cycle-lanes and inappropriate green initiatives sack diversity officers. But, we might just actually get an accountable police that actually prevent real crime, and protect the public.

450992 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to alw, #328 of 751 🔗

Too true, unfortunately.

451024 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to mattghg, #329 of 751 🔗

Fox has 5 million quid to ‘spend’….

450772 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #330 of 751 🔗

On Radio 4’s News this morn if I recall aright a nursing union is pressing for better PPE in hospitals – principally (again rightly) better masks, ones which are more effective.

This is a difficult bit of information to present to the public because it is basically telling them all those millions and millions of masks they’ve spent so much money on are not effective. So what to do?

It is explained the masks that are wanted are to protect against aerosols implying your bog standard mask is providing providing protection against means by which the virus travels about in the air.

450814 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #331 of 751 🔗

Oxygen is also air borne. So now the fascists feel a need to control ‘aerosols’. None of these clowns can provide any evidence how the Flu-Rona spreads. Most of it is spread in Hospitals (60% of the dead), the rest in Nursing Homes. Not read any of the ‘science’ from the ‘scientists’ why that happens. If I am not in a Hospital or Nursing why the hell do I need a diaper?

450823 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to FerdIII, 4, #332 of 751 🔗

Spread in places with shared toilets and incontinent people….

450956 ▶▶▶▶ straightalkingyorkshireman, replying to Ossettian, 1, #333 of 751 🔗

Time for a plug…

450936 ▶▶ mj, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #334 of 751 🔗

the existing PPE looks to be too restrictive to do TikTok dances in.. Clearly need something with more elasticity – spandex, silk, gossamer that allows for full movement

450808 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 22, #335 of 751 🔗

Cronyism on the front page?

“Politics abhors a vacuum and it looks as though a leader has emerged.”

Is LS unaware that David Kurten and his Heritage Party have been campaigning extensively for the London Assembly and local elections over the past few months? Furthermore, Kurten is an experienced politician with a properly developed manifesto, and he’s spent the previous year going to protests, talking to members of the public, being hassled by the police and interrogating Sadiq Khan about his cruel and absurd policies in interviews that really deserve far more publicity.

As far as I know, all Fox’s work consists of is going through the same repertoire of posts on Twitter and spending money lavishly on fancy films wherein he is moodily lit. I don’t doubt he’s sincere in his pro-freedom, anti-woke beliefs but he is a bit of a single-issue candidate, too.

I know Kurten’s social conservatism won’t be to everyone’s taste but he has been putting a lot of work into the anti-lockdown cause and is, in my opinion, the candidate most deserving of the Mayoral seat and also the best equipped for the job. The Heritage Party had a good chance of getting several seats in the London Assembly with most of London’s pro-freedom, anti-woke voters behind it. Now Fox has come along, offering a very similar thing to Kurten, just to split the vote.

Why? And why is LS pretending Kurten doesn’t exist?

450810 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #336 of 751 🔗

Kurten sounds like a good man and Lockdown’s will likely end, to a certain extent, so what will Fox stand for then.

450813 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DanClarke, 8, #337 of 751 🔗

LDs won’t end. They will roll them in the future. Starting this Fall. The Fake Data won’t end this May.

450880 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to FerdIII, 7, #338 of 751 🔗

June 21 was the earliest date given and it that was reliant on a number of factors.Furlough until September is a big indicator that this will not end then.

450812 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Ben Shirley, 11, #339 of 751 🔗

Heritage, Reclaim, Reform are all anti-LD. Kurten is excellent and I have no problem with his social conservatism. Look at what the opposite gives us….Burn Loot Murder, civil destruction, historical Marxism revisioning, He is a She, She is a He, and Muhammadans are peace loving innovators. Shyte all of it.

I thoiught Fox was national…not local, so your complaints are justified.

451054 ▶▶▶ richardw53, replying to FerdIII, 1, #340 of 751 🔗

United we stand, divided we fall.

450869 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ben Shirley, 1, #341 of 751 🔗

I agree 💯 %

450822 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 17, #342 of 751 🔗

My church is only open for a Covid compliant service, so we shall worship at home again this week. Instead of church in a building, we spend one weekday with our volunteer friends here on our little farm working the land, singing to the Lord, praying and fellowshipping. Man was made to work, but he was also made to worship. Many worship the NHS, as for me and my house, we worship the Living God.

450842 ▶▶ mj, replying to Liberty, 18, #343 of 751 🔗

not a religious person myself… but you do the right thing for your faith. You are more in touch with your God there than you would be sitting in a dingy old building and being led by an out of touch political and irreligious church. who for years have forgotten what their purpose is.

450930 ▶▶▶ Liberty, replying to mj, 7, #344 of 751 🔗

Thank you for showing respect for my faith, I really appreciate that. I agree that many pew warmers do not know the Living God at all. Many just sit, listen and leave, their hearts unchanged. Jesus would hate that and would call out those luke warm churches. If we believe in a God who came to earth, died and lives in us by his Holy Spirit, how can we be luke warm? We are seeing right now, through these lockdowns, who the real Christians are. Many will fall away from the church as their Sunday habit has been disturbed, their faith has been replaced with the NHS and their fear filled hearts have left no space for God. They are the sort of people who turn people off church, the same hypocrites that Jesus spoke of, with a form of religious behaviour, but no heart for God and his children. True Christians love ‘til it hurts, give ‘til it hurts and find joy in the service of others. Nothing shakes our foundation of hope, not even Covid and the evil regime it brings with it. The true church is firing up for its role in bringing hope to the lost, shaking off the shackles of organised religion and showing the love of Christ to this broken and frightened world.

451062 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Liberty, 2, #345 of 751 🔗

I’m not religious, but have absolute faith in the power of prayer and fellowship. Church can never beat Creation itself. You have an infinitely superior church. You’d find Jesus in a gathering such as this, not in some noncey/poncey building.

450827 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 44, #346 of 751 🔗

Once the first lockdown ended last June our grandson, who comes to us every other weekend and during holidays, has been playing with the children of neighbours. They run in and out of each other’s houses, totally carefree, lockdown or not. We are lucky to live in a quiet cul-de-sac.
This weekend, even the policeman’s son, who lives a few doors away, has been joining in with them, breaking all the “rules” of course.
People here are deciding for themselves that this is all over.

451279 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, #347 of 751 🔗

Good for them.

450830 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 2, #348 of 751 🔗

Is it June when they can, as per agreement, declare the pandemic over and begin to make a profit. Once you get the promotion over and most people thinking this product was good they will come back for more.

450853 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to DanClarke, 4, #349 of 751 🔗

Certainly big profits in the long term.

But the pharmaceutical companies allocate a disproportionate amount of expenses to their experimental vaccines and make a profit that way. They are already making a profit.

450932 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to DanClarke, 1, #350 of 751 🔗

I believe its July they want to start making a profit.

450845 Derek Toyne, replying to Derek Toyne, 7, #351 of 751 🔗

The whole problem with the pandemic and the numbers it’s all based on germ theory. No one is talking about germ theory which I believe is causing everyone and scientists to lose their reason. What I mean is that if your 20 and in peak physical condition with no health problems your vulnerable as the same as someone who is 80 with several health problems. Now common sense and the numbers prove that germ theory fails to explain this. Mathematical models which say half million would die or we would have 4000 a day infections by Xmas were proved to be so incorrect. To me this explains all of the madness and why the government is trying to protect everyone rather than concentrating on those who need protecting. At the end of the day we need a Einstein to correct the flaw in germ theory which is driving the madness.

451160 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Derek Toyne, 3, #352 of 751 🔗

They have literally no idea how exactly viruses spread. No clue.

But they act as if they did.

450851 SimonCook, 7, #353 of 751 🔗

Wendy Williams standing up for her right to decide what she puts in her body

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBAFyHfKsdE

My wife sent me this (she keeps an eye on Hollywood celebrity gossip!) and I thought it was well worth sharing. For those that don’t know Wendy Williams is a very well-known US chat show host.

450855 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #354 of 751 🔗

If not posted already, this really is a contender for most idiotic, insensitive Tik Tok routine and it’s seriously crowded field.

https://twitter.com/DonnyBr40072043/status/1368349378407174150

450875 ▶▶ Robin Birch, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #355 of 751 🔗

Gormless lot. They just don’t see it.

450881 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #356 of 751 🔗

I’m sure all of those “non-essential” businesses in Mayo are delighted and motivated by this spectacle.

450893 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #357 of 751 🔗

Exactly. We’ve been shut down for a year, for a supposed emergency, yet all across the world, we’re seeing this shit from hospitals. I’m sure a lot of their colleagues are probably equally pissed off with this.

451177 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #358 of 751 🔗

I could not even watch it to the end. How awful! What a mockery!
Good that they got a backlash!

451187 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #359 of 751 🔗

Totally taking the piss

450864 Crystal Decanter, 3, #360 of 751 🔗

Voice of Wales now over on Gab after getting Das Boot from YewTube

https://gab.com/groups/26554

450872 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 25, #361 of 751 🔗

In my suburb, like most I imagine, the physical propaganda is well coordinated. There are small signs on the lamp posts that say only: ‘Do the right thing for [name of suburb]’ with a tiny reference to Covid, just so you know what is meant. But this is supplemented by a vast (12′ x 2’6″; 4m x 80cm) banner explaining exactly what the ‘right thing for [name of suburb] is: shunning human contact, wearing a gimp gag, etc. The vast banner is, or rather was, on the railings of a children’s play park.

It’s a fairly busy path for walkers, but also putting the banner there was probably intended to warn parents who had brought their children to play off talking to each other. Maybe also intended to normalise Covid rules for children.

Anyway, the point is this. Late on Friday night, someone edited that banner with a marker pen. Nothing obscene. Just replacing the instructions not to mix and to wear a mask with more socially responsible suggestions.

By Saturday afternoon that banner had disappeared. That cannot have been the work of freelance Covidian members of the public. The damned thing was strongly attached, and what would a responsible member of the public do with such a large chunk of council property? No, the council must have come and removed it.

Do you know how difficult it is normally to get the council to do anything at the weekend? Huge effort, real man hours and money are being spent here. There is a serious effort to curate public space as a medium of Covidian messaging. The reason we don’t see antilockdown messages is that they are being taken down immediately, and state/council workers must be involved to some extent.

The environment itself is being curated to make us feel alone and isolated. Do not believe that message. The environment itself is now a lie.

451007 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Ovis, 5, #362 of 751 🔗

All these banners around remind me of visiting East Berlin in the early 80s.

451183 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ovis, 3, #363 of 751 🔗

Well done to the people who adjusted the words.
I have been out with my pen this last week, and noticed the other day one of the adjusted signs is gone. Of course do not know if it is because someone did not like my adjustment or the whole sign.
But like your, it has nit just been ripped off, but the cable ties removed. Other signs are still up and have been for weeks.

450874 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #364 of 751 🔗

Homework:
Let’s see if we can get the collaborators to plug up for the common good

450884 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Crystal Decanter, 5, #365 of 751 🔗

As Moderna would say: Plug and Play (your part.)

450891 ▶▶▶ isobar, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #366 of 751 🔗

Wish that I had thought of that!

450895 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 8, #367 of 751 🔗

Don’t be a bugger
Be a plugger

450894 ▶▶ mj, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #368 of 751 🔗

Tag line “Put a cork in it!!”

450896 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #369 of 751 🔗

Just need some designer names on board. Different sizes, shapes, colours and textures would be useful too.

450976 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to PoshPanic, #370 of 751 🔗

Don’t forget the ditzy print.

451060 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #371 of 751 🔗

Do your part
plug that fart

the possibilities are rear endless

450887 ▶▶ stewart, replying to JayBee, 5, #373 of 751 🔗

More of the same.

Our immune system is inadequate. You need a product to make it work properly.

451191 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to JayBee, 1, #374 of 751 🔗

Aldi in Germany started selling rapid test kits yesterday. They sold out within a couple of hours.
one kit per person, 5 tests at €25.00.
Just that the plebs who will probably test themselves every day now do not understand this is an antigen test.

450883 stewart, replying to stewart, 9, #377 of 751 🔗

Could this be the end of an era?

I mean at LDS.

If I’ve understood the plans for the new format properly, commenting will be distributed to the different articles rather than having one single big comments section like now that acts like a collective stream of consciousness of our sceptic community.

Let’s see how the new site works, but this could be the last time we’re all together in the same place… kind of…in a manner of speaking…

450900 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to stewart, 9, #378 of 751 🔗

This is very important, this daily comments section is a key and vital part of this site, do we need to clarify this with Toby/Will?

450903 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stewart, 2, #379 of 751 🔗

I welcome it. Makes sense, easier to update regularly and possibly easier to read the parts you want. Let’s see.

450939 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #380 of 751 🔗

Indeed

On the other hand I tend to skim ATL and focus more on comments BTL and scan for interesting posts and threads

450980 ▶▶ gone_loopy, replying to stewart, 9, #381 of 751 🔗

This format is easy to scroll through and read. The old saying ‘if it aint broke dont fix it”

450888 mj, replying to mj, 8, #382 of 751 🔗

been to local shop for my government propaganda and media arse licking . couple of others there unmasked. Walking home saw some idiot going to the shop masked up for te whole walk from his house. no one within 100 yards

Anyway noticed the shop had the below poster in the window, Supplied by the ACS (Association of Convenience Stores) clearly listing all the reasons for not wearing masks, and the linked webpage gives more useful info , links to print an exemption card, etc. This is more for the shopkeepers benefit to advise why they might be exempt.

Why dont the big shops and supermarkets do this? .

451194 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mj, 1, #383 of 751 🔗

I noticed an unmasked faces welcome here in a newsagent here yesterday. Only the 2nd shop where ‘ve seen this sign.

450913 FerdIII, 22, #384 of 751 🔗

Letter to FOI, MPs etc re the Drugs. Will post or consolidate responses. Feel free to use.

===
Dear MP Baa Sheep

Re: Experimental mRNA drugs or ‘Vaccines’

Some simple questions on the efficacy of the experimental CV 19 drugs. The data suggests that they appear to be ineffective. Does the current government have information on the following?

1-From December 1 2020, to January 31 2021, 95% of the over 70s were injected with experimental-drugs the current government calls vaccines.

However, sadly, approximately 15.000 people have still died from CV 19 since February 1 2021. This is rather incongruous and seems very odd indeed for a ‘95% effective’ experimental drug(s). I would expect that our government has the demographic details of these deaths – age, underlying conditions, location – and are actively studying them for meaning and importance.

Can you share please, age, underlying conditions, and location of the dead from CV 19 since February 1 2021, and whether these people were injected or not injected with the drugs?

2-How many have died or been injured in the UK from any of the experimental drug injections, including age, underlying conditions, location? The MHRA lists 400 dead and 100.000 injured. What is your response to this?

3-Why has our government ignored any threats from the experimental-drugs, even calling critics of these drugs various and puerile names. I have not seen any evidence of concern in any media forum.  Do I assume the government is indifferent to people’s health?  Please explain.

4-Can you send links or references on the trials running until 2023 for the 3 main experimental drug injections including those on children that we the public can view and read?

5-I assume that our government is aware that the trials are unfinished, yet I have not seen any mention of this in any media fora. Why?

6-If the trials are still incomplete why is our government intent on injecting most of the adult population?

7-Is there scientific and repeatable evidence that these drugs stop transmission of the CV flu virus, which the public can read and repeat (the scientific method) ?

8-If the experimental drugs do not stop transmission what is the point of the experimental-drug passport and ID projects?

9-Please explain how experimental-drug passports do not contravene, national, international, and bio-ethical laws and rights to consent and privacy?

Summary:

Given the proclamations by this government as to the wonders of the various injections, it seems obvious that you and your colleagues would be most interested in the data from the above questions and sharing them with people who voted to get you elected.  I assume that all of the above information is ready at hand and could even be shared on your web site.

I also assume you have not outsourced your job to the unelected, unaccountable, unscientific, and disgraced SAGE.  They were not elected by we-the-voters.

Yours sincerely,
Mr. U. P. Yours.

450915 Julian, replying to Julian, 12, #385 of 751 🔗

Regarding the London Mayor elections and Fox’s candidacy, the voting system allows for a limited form of vote transference between your first and second preference so anyone wanting to favour an anti-lockdown candidate can at least choose a couple and still have their vote count.

I’ve got mixed feelings about Fox joining the race as I think David Kurten has been admirable in speaking up against lockdowns, but on balance it may be a good thing. Fox has a much bigger budget and bigger name recognition and stands at least a chance of stealing a lot of the Tory vote from whoever the Tory candidate is, and pushing out Khan which would be a big win as he has been so pro-lockdown.

450926 ▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 8, #386 of 751 🔗

agree – what i have seen of Kurten is impressive and he has a good profile. But the aim must be an “anybody but Khan” election and given the the conservative candidate will have no credibility there is a need for the rational vote not to be split between Kurten and Fox.

450934 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Julian, 2, #387 of 751 🔗

There is also Piers Corbyn who will split the sceptic vote even more.

450964 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stevie, #388 of 751 🔗

Good point. Maybe he will steal some votes from Labour

450972 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Julian, 3, #389 of 751 🔗

I have a resting distrust of blond buffoons from elite backgrounds finding their way into politics through the London mayoral positions. Is there no one better out there? Asking for a friend as here in Gods own country, we don’t have a say.

451018 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TheHandbag, 1, #390 of 751 🔗

Kurten (Heritage), Piers Corbyn, the SDP, Reform are all anti-lockdown to a greater or lesser degree. Not 100% sure about Brian Rose. I think the main thing would be to inflict a symbolic defeat on pro-lockdown parties, but then I don’t live in London so no skin in the game.

451141 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 1, #391 of 751 🔗

Rose seems to be anti-lockdown but still buys into the Covid narrative, ie, his website talks about ‘safely reopening London’ etc.

451045 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 5, #392 of 751 🔗

By joining the race, Laurence will be constantly in the news, getting the anti-lockdown message out

451143 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Victoria, 1, #393 of 751 🔗

Yes. He hasn’t a hope of winning, as demographics means London will most likely be in the hands of Khan or similar for evermore, but it will give him a lot of exposure so definitely worth him doing it.

451052 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #394 of 751 🔗

Any first past the post win with multiple candidates is very hard to analyse, in terms of the effects of vote-splitting etc. Kurten I’ve certainly noticed at actual demos, but Fox has also been pretty consistently anti-panic for quite a wile now.

The main benefit of Fox being in the race on an anti-lockdown platform is that, as you say he has a decent budget and profile to make the antilockdown case heard. The second is that if he seems to be getting traction the Tories might have to move in the antilockdown direction.

It has to be a hugely long shot for any of the candidates other than the LabCon establishment parties to actually win. I would be delighted for any non-establishment candidate other than an actively Green/woke one (who would just be pushing us still further in the direction we are already far too far gone in) to win. The signal of a non-establishment win is in the end more important than the particular politics or personality of the London Mayor, who can only do so much damage in a single term – less than the benefit to the country of a defeat for the corrupt and moribund establishment.

450928 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 23, #395 of 751 🔗

One thing is sure as shit. If you’ve had Covid, or think you’ve had it then you would be mad to have the jab. It is bound by definition to screw up the immunity you have gained already. It has to to get itself into your system, and the Israelis are discovering that the battle between natural and unnatural immunity CAN start off a cytokine storm. Them being the lab rats for Pfizer. Of all people. Listen to the latest Delingpod with Illana Rachel Daniel from Jerusalem.

https://vimeo.com/519983736

or wherever you get your podcasts from.

450942 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #396 of 751 🔗

Thanks for that link – it’s not on his Youtube channel. I wonder why. Maybe it got taken down. I will listen with interest.

450947 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to this is my username, #397 of 751 🔗

It will be – it’s not released yet.

451013 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to this is my username, #398 of 751 🔗

PS – it’s just gone on open release

451033 ▶▶ leggy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #399 of 751 🔗

Probably why I’m seeing comments like this yesterday from a friend:

Having had covid and jab today I now feel like I have covid again !

Just had to shake my head and bite my lip. There’s no point in trying to argue with them.

451153 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to leggy, 3, #400 of 751 🔗

Well that is what happens when you get brainwashed into thinking your own body doesn’t produce immunity and that you can only get it artificially.

You end up doing really stupid things.

451102 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #401 of 751 🔗

Well if (allegedly) approx. 20 million people in the population are walking around with covid & have no idea, presumably this works both ways – there could be millions walking around with the vaccine & have no idea they’ve had it?!

450929 JayBee, 8, #402 of 751 🔗

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00425-6/fulltext
“Most people infected with SARS-CoV-2 are contagious for 4–8 days. (…) The short window of transmissibility contrasts with a median 22–33 days of PCR positivity (…). This suggests that 50–75% of the time an individual is PCR positive, they are likely to be post-infectious. (…) There is no international standardisation between laboratories and assays, leaving Ct calibration with viral load poorly reported and easy to misunderstand.”

450935 Ewan Duffy, 10, #403 of 751 🔗

The Establishment keeps telling us that they are following “the science”. What they didn’t tell you is that “science” is an acronym:

Social
Compliance
In
Emotional
New
Controlling
Environment

450940 Freddy Boy, replying to Freddy Boy, 11, #404 of 751 🔗

Off Topic , how I missed The Home Office Enquiry /Report in December on The child grooming gangs scandal which proclaimed via various crafty massaging of data & fact that ! Wait for it !! It was mainly White Males that were responsible , ! God Help Us !! These are the people that are forcing the vaccine onto the uk population 🤯

450948 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Freddy Boy, 9, #405 of 751 🔗

It’s always whiteys fault. Also do you remember when the people of this country were asked if we wanted mass immigration, diversity and multiculturalism. No, me neither.

451015 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #406 of 751 🔗

Patel’s Hindoo-Muslim Home Office declared that Muhammandan sex gangs and the Muslim sex Jihad are now ‘White’. So now we are to blame for Muslims raping 600.000 White girls. Before they blamed the girls. Now they recolour Muslims and their Sex Jihad. What a phucking farce.

451121 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to FerdIII, 1, #407 of 751 🔗

I don’t know about “whitey’s” fault. What I do know is, if police didn’t do something about girls in my neighbourhood, my FAMILY, being targeted, trafficked and raped, sometimes MURDERED, I’d be taking matters severely into my own hands! Some things you can’t wait for God, or the justice system to resolve. If a few mosques had been bombed, with a few casualties, 40 years ago, would we be where we are now?

451048 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #408 of 751 🔗

Mass immigration, another tool for oppression. As an English born 2nd Gen, and English patriot. whilst being well aware, I’ll never be a native, this is my home, and I consider myself culturally, an English woman, having rejected the restrictive and abusive system, my family imported with them, forced marriages, misogyny etc. My children aren’t white, but only know England, the English language their only tongue. I was always baffled as to why so many English, romanticised forced marriages, calling them “arranged” and admired the claustrophobia of so-called close-knit families. Before this shitshow, I was concerned the destruction of English culture, would lead to negative ethno-nationalism, and my children considered the enemy by all sides. Before, Christianity was a large umbrella, the nation sheltered under, and which it was encouraged for immigrants to engage with. But the Church lost any trust or credibility decades ago. Unfortunately, even when this shitshow is over, these problems are not going away, and will need resolution. I pray it’s peaceful.

451067 ▶▶▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Jinks, 3, #409 of 751 🔗

Agree, I always look at what chimpanzees do as they are our closest relatives in the wild. They will accept other chimps if they are no threat to the troop. Once the number of “outsiders” move in there is violence and even warfare. There is no or little integration and assimilation as immigrants just move into their own communities which causes further resentment.

The USA can tolerate different communities as it’s a large country, but people still identify themselves as Irish American, Italian American, African American etc (never English American) and they still tend to group together (look at that racist film “My Big Fat Greek Wedding”).

450961 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Freddy Boy, 2, #410 of 751 🔗

As always, (and not to excuse the individuals or indeed override my experience of abusive experience the vast majority of which has occurred at the hands of white makes), the statistic is only relevant in the overall context of a country which is predominantly white. So it boils down to “white people in white western country make up the majority of random demographic”. Also race is an incredibly blunt tool for assessing anything. I mean the grooming gangs could be made up of Russian mafia, the vast majority of whom would self-identify as “white”.

Where it is more perturbing is where it is another ethnic group, disproportionately over-represented. And overlooks the major scandal of child abuse and grooming isn’t being dealt with or addressed properly.

450941 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 8, #411 of 751 🔗

Where are the other ‘Adventure Islands’?
Businesses and their owners and managers who are cognizant of history, valuing liberty and ready to do the right thing, instead of succumbing to an evil manipulated ‘public opinion’ and to oppressive governments?!

450970 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to JayBee, 15, #412 of 751 🔗

I don’t know much about this company myself, but was sent the below link on Telegram:
https://tradewindstravel.co.uk/

Our Statement
“Our view is that mandatory vaccinations, quarantine and travel restrictions are unlawful and impinge hugely on Human Rights. The UK Government is a rogue Government and is bypassing Parliamentary scrutiny with every new diktat that it chooses to announce. It is time for the British people to say “No” to this, and indeed to any restrictions on liberty and enforced medical interventions”

They want to do the right thing and are calling on other travel companies to form a pressure group against the government diktat.

450951 ThomasT, replying to ThomasT, 25, #413 of 751 🔗

Its amazing how the propaganda is working. People on all the various internet forums I am on have fully bought into it. Whether the forum is about working out, cars, DJ`ing, you name it, if anyone remotely posts anything other than agreeing with the narrative, they are immediately subjected to quite harsh abuse from people fully agreeing with the narrative.

Another thing ive noticed is TV shows doing the same thing. The wife watches Gogglebox and its one of her favourite shows. TBF ive seen it a few times with her and its been funny. However this last few weeks ive noticed when they played clips about the vaccine or virus, the people on the show all piped up about how wonderful it was, or how stupid people were if they didnt follow the rules etc. This weeks episode showed a clip of trump making a comeback speech and absolutely everyone was spitting in disgust at him, saying how he was an idiot. Talk about all one sided. I then realised the show seemed to be all about telling viewers how they were supposed to react to news as if people were too lazy to work it out for themselves!

I have also been quite disappointed with people i know on facebook, who are all for the vaccine and believing the story so far as to post stuff like “I hate anti-vaxxers and so if you are one you are a f**king idiot” or posting proudly that they have had their vax and so should everyone else. One friend told me a few months back she was very anti vax and yesterday it seems she has changed her tune as she has now had it. Another friend who is only 35 posted that she has had hers – all her friends posting congratulations. Quite depressing really.

450966 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to ThomasT, 8, #414 of 751 🔗

You are soo right. People have bought it hook,line and sinker. Even now in Scotland Rangers fans are being villifed for celebrating a league win that they have been 10 years in the waiting. This is after 12 months and many of the most vulnerable being vaccinated. All I hear is “why break the rules now when we are so close to being out of this.” I’ve heard that phrasing since it was “3 weeks to flatten the curve”. How long are people willing to live in this stupour?

And btw my loyalties lie with Celtic so it would be very easy for me to jump on the bandwagon.

450981 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JHUNTZ, 15, #415 of 751 🔗

It’s all just fear tactics.

Now if you walked onto a plane and shouted bomb you’d be jailed. They are doing this on a daily basis. It’s abuse

451000 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to JHUNTZ, 3, #416 of 751 🔗

My scouse future son in law ( Stevie G fan obviously) sent me the clip , I asked him was it this year or last having lately lost track of Scottish football , he told me the fans were outside the ground yesterday prior to the game about to start which if they win/ won gives them the title ! Why couldn’t they have been allowed to open the gates and let the fans space themselves around the ground and watch the match !

451220 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to JHUNTZ, 1, #417 of 751 🔗

As a Celtic fan it was ‘good’ to see the Rangers fans celebrating the way they did. But after this ‘breach’ I still think Rangers should be stripped of the title and it handed to Celtic! 🙂

451280 ▶▶▶▶ mikewaite, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #418 of 751 🔗

Would that not be hard on the players who have worked hard for this reward , ony to have it taken away because of the action of fans in contradiction of totally arbitray legislation , rules which would not have existed 12 or 6 moths ago? Why not punish the politicians instead – they seem to be a vey sleazy lot “up there “, almost as bad as our lot “down here”.

450993 ▶▶ ElizaP, replying to ThomasT, 16, #419 of 751 🔗

The congratulations thing is seriously wierd. Anyone remember when “Congratulations” were deemed appropriate for getting engaged/passing an exam/getting a job/etc?
Congratulating someone on receiving “medical treatment” is more than a little odd.

451129 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to ElizaP, 4, #420 of 751 🔗

It’s like that scene in 1984 where that man is actually happy that his own children have dobbed him in as a thought criminal.

451186 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Cranmer, 1, #421 of 751 🔗

“Equilibrium” with Christian Bale, is like an anti-1984. The protagonists conditioning is breaking down, with dire consequences for the established order, which rules with bio-security autocracy.

451294 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jinks, 1, #422 of 751 🔗

entire population injecting themselves in public simultaneously to stay safe

451086 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to ThomasT, 6, #423 of 751 🔗

Predictive programming!! Done by puppets.

Same as Facebook, lure people into it and then shut the door, do people really think some geek sitting in his bedroom invented Facebook??? Oh, but they made a film about it so it must be trooo.

InterNET, world wide WEB.

There is imo currently a very sinister advert for virgin broadband doing the rounds, 2 millennials, 1 mixed race, 1 disabled meeting via an online gaming platform having an online romance involving them and their avatar. They are so happy hiding indoors and kindling their online romance.

Stinks of technocracy and transhumanism.

Adverts pushing veganism and vegetarianism, infantile voice overs and language cartoon imagery telling us to be safe. Young children (start them young) advertising sustainable development, electric cars, home working, home exercising, virtual learning, virtual living.

Idiot TV presenters reading scripts, experts being zoomed into our living room parroting the narrative. All fake, expertocracy rules ok.

Stick thin celebrities telling us it is cool to be thin as we will all be starving in the future. Fake tits fake lips, fake tan.

Celebrity, an interesting word. Who and what are we celebrating, their ‘talent’ their wealth, their opinions or are they celebrating the dumb masses who fall for it.

Phew… morning all btw.

450954 DomW, replying to DomW, 55, #424 of 751 🔗

Popped into my local Sainsbury last night and noticed that someone had updated one of the “safety” signs. Good to know I’m not alone in my area!

450958 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to DomW, 11, #425 of 751 🔗

That’s fantstic

451002 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to DomW, 3, #426 of 751 🔗

Awesome 👍

451012 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DomW, 4, #427 of 751 🔗

Beautiful, need to order and plaster some up myself.

451072 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FerdIII, 1, #428 of 751 🔗

Search t.me

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is top listing.

451155 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to DomW, 3, #429 of 751 🔗

Stickers
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451230 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Victoria, 2, #430 of 751 🔗

Fantastic to see these White Rose stickers and the links to Sophie Scholl and the White Rose group who stood against an earlier form of tyranny. Great way of remembering them and maybe making others aware of what the sacrifice.

450962 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 2, #431 of 751 🔗

https://medium.com/business-insider/why-johnson-johnsons-covid-19-vaccine-is-probably-the-best-shot-99a5d5beab04

For those inclined to wait, less concerned about adenovirus vector vaccines- despite their higher risk of DNA impact and HIV- and believing in the vaccine story.

Those who don’t will also be reinforced, as the data also suggests that it can perform miracles:
it reduces asymptomatic transmission by 74%.
That’s a miracle, if and as AS doesn’t occur and exist at all, hasn’t been demonstrated let alone been measured properly yet, and as such, this alone puts the whole trial data gathering process and quality in serious doubt, or fairy tale territory….
But then, that’s exactly what the 7billion children living today are into these days and will buy.

450984 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JayBee, #432 of 751 🔗

Probably me being dense but I can’t work out if you are saying this is good or bad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/valneva-covid-vaccine-explained-b908322.html is a traditional inactivated vaccine which is the one to wait for if you have no choice but to have one if you need to travel to a certain country.

451010 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to arfurmo, 7, #433 of 751 🔗

Why is no-asking why the UK government have bought enough of the various vaccines to inject every person in the whole of the Western world?

451021 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to arfurmo, #434 of 751 🔗

Valneva seems very early stage.
Novavax is much further along.
I agree those are the ones to really wait for, if you can, and still must or want to get jabbed.
If not, the JNJ MIGHT be the best alternative sofar.
But if you doubt the existence of AS, as I do, you must come to the conclusion, that they are lying anyway, and you should stay clear of it, and the 3 others.

451038 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JayBee, #435 of 751 🔗

I’m definitely having an off day. What is AS, please?

451050 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to arfurmo, #436 of 751 🔗

Sorry, should have written AT here, asymptomatic transmission/spread.

451008 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JayBee, 4, #437 of 751 🔗

Any claims of efficacy must be repeatable. Wancock and Pharma ejaculate their amazement at the supposed benefits, but I have never seen 1 single experiment, study or set of manifest-proofs, that any can follow, in a natural setting and re-enact to generate the same result, proving such efficacy. None.

450974 mojo, replying to mojo, 17, #438 of 751 🔗

Bearing in mind more and more information is being broadcast about these vaccines being injections of pathogens I think it is time we stopped a dangerous programme. Anyone who sees it fit to inject under 60s with a flu jab or indeed to experiment on teenagers and younger needs to stop trying to make excuses for this terrible experiment.

Drugs can induce changes in the brain to make people sleepy, pliable or even ‘put to sleep’ as we do our unwell pets. We know there have been experiments on Indian and African populations. Many causing autism and sterilisation. Whether this was intended or mot we will never know as Bill Gates and the pharmaceuticals are now exempt from prosecution or investigation. This alone should also ring alarm bells. Why are there no lobbyists in Parliament trying to hold Boris Johnson to account. Questions are being asked by the Bow Group a out his fiance and her connection to certain ‘population control’ organisations. Her influence on a man who just doesn’t worry about moral detail or democracy does indeed need more querying than a gossipy piece in a national rag.

451004 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to mojo, 5, #439 of 751 🔗

Gates et al killed literally millions of Africans with experimental drugs ostensibly to stop pertussis, TB etc. They are genomic-immune system changing and cause severe collateroal damage.

mRNA is not a vaccine, but an experiment and anyone under 60, as you stated, who wants that drug is brain dead. These drugs are either neutral or negative. Given the 15K dead since 95% of the over 70s were jabbed, I see no evidence for efficacy. None.

450987 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 7, #440 of 751 🔗

LOVING the article, “Vaccine passports make a mockery of consent” piece. Beautifully, incisively argued. Thank you so so much.

450991 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to TheHandbag, 3, #441 of 751 🔗

Would a vaccine passport legally include experimental vaccinations?

450989 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #442 of 751 🔗

Is it possible to have a test that will confirm if covid related T-cells are present?

451014 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 1, #443 of 751 🔗

Excellent question. I wish I knew the answer. My guess is the only way would be to deliberately expose someone to the virus and see what happens, but I’ve never read anything that suggests it is possible to see what’s going at that level – it may be more of an assumption that if you are exposed and don’t show signs of illness then they are present

451022 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 2, #444 of 751 🔗
451055 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 1, #445 of 751 🔗

Very interesting

It suggests they can detect a T-Cell response to an infection, rather than being able to predict you’d have one, but I guess you could deliberately infect people somehow to check, and if you test enough people you may be able to determine certain factors from them that would reliably predict the response

Can scientists and governments be trusted to use this wisely?

451059 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 1, #446 of 751 🔗

Does the test not tell you if you have previously had covid and therefore do not require the vaccine and can have exempt stamped in any vaccine passport?

450995 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 10, #447 of 751 🔗

It’s clear, unfortunately, that the vast bulk of the population of the UK will be injected with the snake oil. However, it is far from clear that this will be the same in several other European countries. I understand, for example, that less than half of French people have said that they will have it. Isn’t this our best hope for avoiding vaccine passports? I mean, I can’t see the French consenting to a new system of international travel that excludes its population?
But I do find the unilateral decisions by Cyprus, Portugal, etc, to allow vaccinated holidaymakers only a worry.

450998 ▶▶ JHUNTZ, replying to PhilipF, 3, #448 of 751 🔗

I think it’s the clear direction of travel worldwide. If economics matttered they woud all have to u turn. However, nothing over the last 12 months has made any economic sense.

451001 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to PhilipF, 8, #449 of 751 🔗

I don’t think the vast bulk of the overweight UK pop will jab.

There is no evidence they work, plenty they kill or injure and no evidence contrary to Wancocks public masturbations, that they stop transmission. None.

Then you have the issue of future jabs per scary variant…so the entire scheme is pointless.

451300 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FerdIII, #450 of 751 🔗

Agreed.

451071 ▶▶ AB, replying to PhilipF, 6, #451 of 751 🔗

I lived in France for over nine years. What you have to realise is that the vast majority of French people on go on holiday in France. If they do go abroad, most holidays on offer were to former French colonies.

451259 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to PhilipF, 3, #452 of 751 🔗

If Cyprus and Portugal see their tourist numbers and income plummet, maybe they’ll change their tone…

450999 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #453 of 751 🔗

A question for someone with better medical knowledge…

I have noticed from personal experience that for the AZ “vaccine” the overwhelming majority seem to suffer severe fever for at least a day. The numbers seem far in excess of the trial data. Is it possible that the severe fever is actually an indication of prior immunity, as the body goes to war with an injection of something it has already learnt to target?

451017 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #454 of 751 🔗

In other words, the drug injection is useless for the 99.7% of the pop that is not at risk ?

451034 ▶▶ David Ashton, replying to TheBluePill, 11, #455 of 751 🔗

My wife and I who only have one relative in the UK, and took the AZ vaccine solely for the purpose of obtaining a certificate for travel to visit our family in USA and Ireland. We are both in our seventies and both had “Covid” in the first wave, when I had a dreadful cough and very high temperature, but my wife had very mild symptoms. Following the vaccination we both had high temperature and felt nauseous, my symptoms lasted 24 hours, my wife’s lasted for three days. In fact, she was more ill from the vaccine than from the disease.

451039 ▶▶ John, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #456 of 751 🔗

Fever is evidence of an inflammatory response from the immune system.
This can be seen in the initial symptoms of measles and chicken pox for example, which precede the rash by a couple of days.
The inflammation is part of the innate immune system response, which for children is the major immune system for the first 5 years of life, which is why paracetamol and ibuprofen should not be given to children for just a raised temperature (NICE guidelines).
Short term inflammation is good, but if it continues for too long it results in tissue damage which is not good.

451119 ▶▶ Annie, replying to TheBluePill, 6, #457 of 751 🔗

A friend whose husband was laid low by the jab said blandly, ‘It’s just his immune system kicking in.’
Er…

451211 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Annie, 3, #458 of 751 🔗

That phrase is so stupid and show how brainwashed people have been and how little they understand.

451256 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Annie, 2, #459 of 751 🔗

So by that logic, the really healthy ones are those with a 103F temperature, semi-conscious, headaches, nausea, etc, etc….

451283 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to LMS2, 4, #460 of 751 🔗

The initial symptoms are due to an immune response, raised temperature being the most obvious. This is the innate response. Raised glands and/or sore throat are due to the adaptive immune system being activated in the lymph system. “Glands” in neck, under the arm, in the groin and in the breasts are lymph nodes. This is where the T cells become exposed to the pathogen RNA/DNA, antigen proteins brought in by the dendritic cells of the innate immune system. The T cells will eventually trigger the B cells to produce antibodies. If you take the example of a viral infection that produces other symptoms such as chicken pox, there’s an initial temperature, lethargy and feeling generally unwell. 48 hours later the recognisable rash develops, with the liquid in the pustules containing the virus. The rash also causes a reaction due to histamine, making the rash itchy. A lot of the signs and symptoms of more severe illness are due to overstimulation of the immune system, even the non blanching rash of meningitis.

451019 TJN, replying to TJN, 13, #461 of 751 🔗

Just to say that something I posted earlier has the most downvotes I’ve seen for a long time. Off to do something else, as my talents are clearly wasted on here.

I’ll check later to see how many downvotes I manage to get to …

I’m so terribly hurt, I thought I was amongst friends on here …

451025 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to TJN, 4, #462 of 751 🔗

lol – no friends in here, ask – Hitchins, Sumption, Swayne,….

451028 ▶▶ maggie may, replying to TJN, 8, #463 of 751 🔗

If that was for your piece on the way we are being coerced into ‘vaccination’ it had a lot of support i thought once people understood it (we are all a bit slow on sunday mornings) Hope your ‘terribly hurt’ is equally tongue in cheek, you are certainly among friends!

451036 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to maggie may, 3, #464 of 751 🔗

yes i had a ‘oh no not another one’ moment – followed by a chortle-chortle when I read his earlier posts

451029 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 7, #465 of 751 🔗

Some of us appreciated the ironic intent but it was so good others thought you were being serious.
Lurkers and other non commenters can vote I believe.

Hope to see you back soon.

451037 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to TJN, 4, #466 of 751 🔗

The irony was wasted on the busy scanner – too many posts to give each one the attention it deserves.
Glad to see that your follow-up ‘nah only joking’ post got many ‘upticks of relief’ from those who though we had lost you to the dark side 😉

451098 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to TJN, 6, #467 of 751 🔗

Hello TJN – just got here and worked through your earlier post. Two things to say: 1) Looks like you got downvoted because your satirical post was misunderstood by some. When I’m putting something satirical out, I’ve begun flagging it as satire just in case, because today’s satire has a habit of becoming tomorrow’s reality. 2) You should be proud – you initiated one of the longest and most interesting conversations I have seen on here.

451117 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to TJN, 4, #468 of 751 🔗

Hell, don’t go!! Made me smile, and that’s difficult to do in these days. I suspect the downvoters didn’t read all the way through – they just saw red at the first sentence. Not your fault. You ARE among friends!!!

451145 ▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 2, #469 of 751 🔗

Ah gee, thanks everyone.

Actually this post was irony too. I found it most amusing to see the downvotes clocking up! Really not bothered at all. But I was very careful to ensure my follow-up post appeared immediately …

Now Biker’s offline it leaves the rest of us scope for a little irony …

The Sceptics side certainly wins the sense of humour battle, and that’s half the battle.

Off again now for a bit of chainsawing and firewood chopping.

451148 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to TJN, #470 of 751 🔗

Why is Biker offline?

451157 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, #471 of 751 🔗

Admins kept deleting his posts last week, even the inoffensive ones.

451377 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to stewart, #472 of 751 🔗

He had some especially colourful posts taken down last week, which of course annoyed him. The main thing apparently is that he’s too busy off-road motorcycling right now.

Good to get out and about with this nice weather …

I’m sure he’ll be back in a day or two.

451031 BJs Brain is Missing, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 12, #473 of 751 🔗

For me lockdown is over. Nor will I be injecting an experimental gene therapy into my body, without the right of redress or compensation, should I suffer damaging side-effects. I’m done with it all. And if Johnson et al., don’t like it, that’s just too bad.

451051 ▶▶ WasSteph, replying to BJs Brain is Missing, 9, #474 of 751 🔗

I admire the spirit but which cinemas, restaurants, pubs, theatres, hairdressers, cafes etc are you frequenting? For me the lockdown is very much still on because I have to answer “none”.
BTW your username really says it all. If he was present in mind and leadership we’d be doing better even with all his previous faults but he’s gone AWOL.

451114 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to WasSteph, 3, #475 of 751 🔗

I’ve managed to find a black-market hairdresser but as for everything else, I no longer really care. If those businesses are so supine as to allow themselves to be ruined without so much as a whimper, why should I miss them? They would probably regard me as a dangerous disease spreader and law breaker anyway.

451032 PhantomOfLiberty, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 8, #476 of 751 🔗

I would be cautious about the assurances of Sharon Peacock which just sound like another boondoggle (to use the US expression) for the vaccine industry. We have little indication that vaccines can bring the problem under control or that they are safe – in fact it sounds opportunist. No one ever mentions that Neil Ferguson heads the Vaccine Impact Modelling Consortium which is funded by GAVI and Bill and Gates Foundation. Journalists need to bear in mind that the vaccines to the rescue narrative has been dangled in front of us since the beginning of Lockdown.

451040 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 5, #477 of 751 🔗

‘journalists’ are as rare as flu nowadays

451066 ▶▶▶ PhantomOfLiberty, replying to Major Panic, 1, #478 of 751 🔗

But I am reading this in Lockdown Sceptics!

451248 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to PhantomOfLiberty, 1, #479 of 751 🔗

Vaccine passports for travel within the EU was being roadmapped from 2018/19….

451035 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #480 of 751 🔗

Have seen some people parading that they’ve had the vaccine publicly either on their anti-social media accounts or wearing a sticker. Why? I don’t need to know that you’ve had the vaccine.

Maybe I should start wearing a yellow sticker in the shape of a star.

That should wind them up.

451124 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #481 of 751 🔗

Yes. I’m wary of offending the memory of actual holocaust victims (although it would be far less egregiously offensive than the use of their memory by many of the fakes like the Board of Deputies using ‘antisemitism’ as a cynical political tool). But the underpinning principle is the same – down to the image of ‘infection’.

451041 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #482 of 751 🔗

The Daily Wail piece in the round up about Mississippi has a lot of great images of free people enjoying their lives, but my word, some of the comments! There really is a tranche of people still out there who genuinely, truly seem to think every single person who breaks “the rules” will be dead in a week. The other aspect of this mentality is “it’ll all be over soon don’t blow it now.”

451046 ▶▶ DanClarke, replying to Jo Starlin, 12, #483 of 751 🔗

Mostly paid bots, the msm is being paid to keep up the rhetoric, they aren’t doing it for free

451049 ▶▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to DanClarke, 8, #484 of 751 🔗

You may well be right, the same stock phrases over and over again are a giveaway…..

451240 ▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #485 of 751 🔗

All a lot of them have is stock phrases. No original thinking.

451247 ▶▶▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #486 of 751 🔗

“Build back better”, “Three weeks to flatten the curve”, “The people next door went for a walk twice! I called the police!”

451093 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #487 of 751 🔗

To those who say, ‘just a few more weeks’ I pointedly remind them that there are people who cancelled their Christmas 2020, on the grounds they would be able to have a big family gathering in March. Silence usually is the response.!

451112 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 7, #488 of 751 🔗

Good point. The political cynicism has been built on the fact that a majority of people are at the level of goldfish in terms of memory and perception.

451116 ▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to RickH, 5, #489 of 751 🔗

I had a goldfish once.He was quite bright.

451320 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Annie, #490 of 751 🔗

Well I presume he knew where his food was coming from – which is more than many sheeple will do (considering they don’t seem to be aware the economy needs to be open for them to be able to earn the money to pay for said food).

451241 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to RickH, #491 of 751 🔗

A better comparison would be a guinea-fowl. One brain cell between a whole flock.

451245 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 3, #492 of 751 🔗

“Three weeks to flatten the curve.”

That curve must be picometres thin by now.

451109 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 5, #493 of 751 🔗

There’s been a big drop in this kind of comment though and those that remain are mainly just slogan-shouters. Engage any of them in discussion and you’ll find they haven’t a clue and will cherry pick what parts of your argument they reply to, in order to suit their narrative.

451146 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Jo Starlin, 8, #494 of 751 🔗

What they really are is afraid people who break the rules WON’T be dead in a week. They are terrifies of having been wrong all along.

451043 DanClarke, replying to DanClarke, 18, #495 of 751 🔗

I am in awe at the Covid propaganda. When asked why they really want the vaccination most people look blank or say they want to travel, when asked how many they know who have died they look even blanker and then when asked how many who tested positive were even ill, say no more.

451105 ▶▶ Cranmer, replying to DanClarke, 7, #496 of 751 🔗

Yes, I always thought ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’ was a fairytale but it seems to have become reality.

451179 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DanClarke, 4, #497 of 751 🔗

I mentioned te Yellow Card numbers to my extended family last night. “Can’t be said to be related to the vaccines, these hundreds of deaths”

451047 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #498 of 751 🔗

Just a thought. We have these adverts on tv saying brand X will kill 99% of all known germs (including Covid). So the 1% that are left “alive” are the more resistant variants of the bacteria and viruses.

As they can reproduce themselves at a rapid pace, given the right environment, are we allowing the super variants to evolve?

After all isn’t it said “a peck of dirt a day does you good”.

451057 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #499 of 751 🔗

After all isn’t it said “a peck of dirt a day does you good”.

I have never heard said and I doubt it is a saying as a peck is two gallons.

451065 ▶▶ Puddleglum, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #500 of 751 🔗

There is a saying that we each have to eat 3 pecks of dirt before we die.

451090 ▶▶ Lowe, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #501 of 751 🔗

I was told “you’ll eat a peck o’ muck afore yer dead”.

Donald MacKelvie in “Proverbial elements in the oral tradition of an English urban industrial region” in Journal of the Folklore Institute (v2, 1965, p244-261) has it as “Yo’ mun eat a peck o muck afore yo’ die”.

451113 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Lowe, 2, #502 of 751 🔗

Stop eating muck and live forever!

451053 Major Panic, 16, #503 of 751 🔗

To ensure INFORMED consent is being sought before people are jabbed, I suggest a post jab questionnaire;

If 100 people were infected by covid, roughly how many do you believe might unfortunately die?

Are you aware that the vaccine does not prevent you being infected by covid but is intended to reduce the more severe possible symptoms?

Are you aware that the vaccine you received has not yet been licenced, is approve on an emergency basis and is still at the experimental stage?

451063 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 21, #504 of 751 🔗

Overheard in Aldi this morning, two people greeted each other.
“How’s your wife?”
“Fine thanks, she had her jab yesterday”
“ Yes I know, I saw it on Facebook”

What sad lives these people lead when that’s the first response that comes into their mind!

451190 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Margaret, 6, #505 of 751 🔗

I know I totally agree. It’s like they have done something really outstanding!

451215 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Margaret, 7, #506 of 751 🔗

Even worse in some ways are conversations I’ve had with more than one acquaintance whom I either see in person or speak to regularly on the phone:

Them: ‘Are you on Facebook’?
Me: ‘No’
Them: ‘Why not’?

Since when did I have to justify not indulging in puerile, time wasting, narcissistic and virtue signalling pronouncements?!

451064 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #507 of 751 🔗

Here is a link to a loveworld (religious, not pornographic channel) video of one of their broadcasts going on about the plan for vaccine and so on and the OFCOM notice of sanctions against them.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCij_-MctNYo0coRCi?e=qPB0eO

The OFCOM notice is dated April 2020 and contains a transcript of most of the show.
So how did these guys know in April 2020 the vaccine, vaccination passports, HCQ etc was coming?

I have recently put in a complaint to OFCOM asking them if they are going to rescind the sanction against loveworld as most of what they stated was the plan has actually happened.

No response unsurprisingly from OFCOM.

451122 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #508 of 751 🔗

He’s reading from the Canadian document that was leaked but could well have been fake.

451149 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #509 of 751 🔗

Oh that fake one that has been uncannily accurate at times.

I thought that the Canadian document was first mentioned back in Nov 2020 ish but the loveworld programme was aired in early April 2020, months before.

451073 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #510 of 751 🔗

Why is the story about Fox the lead item? I can’t imagine anything more to signal the content here as being the apparently irrelevant ramblings of a small coterie.

451077 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to RickH, 1, #511 of 751 🔗

In the original version of the update, “Variants Schmariants” was the lead article.

451107 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #512 of 751 🔗

… which was the correct editorial decision, Steve.

Except that in too many such articles, the quotations bypass the weight of critical analysis. This site can’t afford to give away penalties to the opposition – as England has discovered, it just helping the opponents to a win :-).

451139 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Hayes, #513 of 751 🔗

The main page is now rolling news. The lead item will change from time to time.

451078 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #514 of 751 🔗

… and then we have the repetition of the following scare story \;

The data provide some positive news in light of justified concern over the impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern on efforts to control and eliminate the present pandemic.”

Since when was airy speculation based on mouth farts from interested parties ‘justified concern’.

Has the editorship been gifted to the BBC?

451079 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 8, #515 of 751 🔗

I thought the update was one of the better ones from JB recently, though this particular point from you is well made

I think it is very hard for people to step outside the accepted narrative, even those of a reasonably sceptical bent

451084 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #516 of 751 🔗

… which is then followed up by more garbage shovelling, with the repetition of this :

They [LFT tests] were recently tried out in a mass-testing exercise in Liverpool, but failed to detect 60% of cases.”

which fails to put the comment into the overall facts about the dominant PCR test and its inaccuracies. Clearly, the Times article is aimed at undermining any attempt to lower false positive results – not at issues about the accuracy of testing.

Doh!

451081 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 8, #517 of 751 🔗

I don’t know or care much about the intention but I think it’s a notable piece of news as he is a name that has some mainstream recognition and a big budget, so I think someone like that standing on an explicit anti-lockdown platform is worthy of coverage and debate

If I were voting (which I am not) I would probably for one of the other anti-lockdown candidates and put Fox second

451096 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #518 of 751 🔗

I take your point, Julian.

However, to clarify, I think it highlights the central problem that except in very loca l situations, a candidate has to have a platform beyond a single issue. That then raises all sorts of other issues for voters, and results in humiliating marginalisation, taking the main cause with it.

No. I don’t have an answer, failing the major parties adopting a rational standpoint on Covid.

I rest my case on the herd behaviour that we have seen amongst the electorate during the past year. I gave up on the ‘wisdom of crowds’ idea a long time ago.

451104 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #519 of 751 🔗

In an ideal world, one of the major opposition parties would have chosen to oppose. I agree this is far from ideal. We’ve seen what happens when single issue parties and referenda that don’t have main party support are in play – though UKIP kind of “won” in the end, I suppose.

I would have preferred some kind of anti-lockdown alliance to have formed that pooled resources, but given the probably political differences that would have been hard.

As I posted earlier, Fox may take some votes from the Tories and thus provide a better chance of beating Khan.

As Mark posted, it may have the effect of pushing the Tories towards a more anti-lockdown stance though I think this is a long game and can’t be achieved overnight.

Recovering from the folly and evil will take years, maybe decades, and I think is more likely to be made up of small steps than sudden leaps.

451125 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Julian, 4, #520 of 751 🔗

I have always thought what initially happened with Labour in the UK as the opposition party. The PM stated he would follow the herd immunity path initially. Labour opposed this, I believe to gain political point scoring. When the PM U turned and locked down, Labour were left in a difficult position, they could not oppose the U turn, so in fact took the political postion of calling for more extreme measures. They backed themselves into a corner, much the same as the Tories, hence no party of any significance going against the narrative.

I also think if Labour had been in power and the Tories in opposition, the same would have happened.

451133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #521 of 751 🔗

It’s called “Reverse Psychology”. The outcome was always engineered.

451184 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Jinks, 3, #522 of 751 🔗

There has been a large amount of reverse psychology used during the last year and is still currently being used both political and measures taken.

451156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cumbriacracked, 1, #523 of 751 🔗

As a ‘never have never will’ Tory non-voter, I largely agree with you.

But, I’m probably more dark in my thinking, which sees more than traditional political manouevering. I don’t reckon, for instance, that the election of Corbyn would have made much difference – so complete has the brainwashing exercise been, and so deep the roots of propaganda and establishment control.

There is much cursing of the Guardian here. But it misses the main point : that the transformation of that newspaper into a major conduit of government propaganda threads (aimed very specifically at a particular section of the population) is a key indicator of the democratic decline.

So – although the issue of Corbyn may have been an irrelevancy in practice, his removal and replacement by Starmer is highly significant in terms of neutralising any potential opposition to the establishment narrative, as embodied in the domination of the Cabinet Office.

451182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to RickH, 1, #524 of 751 🔗

Starmer is significant in that he is an establishment man, I agree. Leading up to this there had been quite a surge in right wing thinking and political parties, probably right of centre. This most certainly goes against the narrative of being “woke”, socialism and probably the green agenda.

Trump winning in the UK, Johnson in the UK and in the coalition governments in some European countries the right were making inroads, Italy actually being quite an important one. This change I believe has seriously spooked a lot of the big players in the world. Do I think the deadly virus was created to stop this, no, do I think it has been used to push a particular narrative, most certainly yes.

451305 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mj, replying to RickH, #525 of 751 🔗

“As a ‘never have never will’ Tory non-voter”, glad you explained that as we were never sure of your politics.

451198 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Cumbriacracked, 4, #526 of 751 🔗

Sir Keir Starmer is a member of the Rockefeller trilateral commission.That should tell you everything you need to know about Labours stance.This is not politics as usual.

451210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to jonathan Palmer, 3, #527 of 751 🔗

I agree. Starmer is labours equivalent of Hancock, both slimy, horrible creatures out to feather both their masters and their nests at the detriment of the UK population.

451132 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #528 of 751 🔗

Fox may take some votes from the Tories and thus provide a better chance of beating Khan.”

Possibly. But just remember that Mr Toad’s first major role was as Mayor of London. Be careful what you wish for!

451101 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Julian, 7, #529 of 751 🔗

Mr Fox may be playing the long game. The elections are in May and lockdown is supposedly ending in June/July. He won’t get elected this time anyway, but if/when lockdowns are NOT ended, or are reinstated in the autumn, he will already be on record as being explicitly anti-lockdowns which may garner him support for other things (eg, standing for Parliament).

451130 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, 2, #530 of 751 🔗

I have no problem with that being on this site – I’d vote for him even though I think he’s a twat. Where there should be voices against lockdown, there is currently a void, so it’s good to have an option even if he might not be our favourite person.

451167 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, #531 of 751 🔗

My point was not about his wider politics. It was about the pointlessness.

451180 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, 1, #532 of 751 🔗

If I end up voting for him and that sends an anti-lockdown and pro-freedom message, which bit’s pointless?

If your suggestion is that the net effect is negative because anti-lockdowners end up being associated with people like him, I see that argument. But that feels very much like a subjective view, rather than a pre-determined certainty.

451083 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 12, #533 of 751 🔗

For those wanting a neutral answer to ‘adyerjabyet?’, what about just ‘not yet!’

This is perfectly true in my case because, to quote the government, as the facts change so does our response. IF the vaccines are proven to be safe and IF there is more to be gained healthwise by taking it than not, I may take it – but until those two highly unlikely scenarios come to light – ‘not yet.’

Most people will accept this but anyone who doesn’t will be forced to make further, more personal enquiries into your medical situation.

We should not allow the normalisation of such enquiries. Most people will ask once because for them it’s something exciting, like ‘been on your holidays yet?’

Anyone who doesn’t accept ‘not yet’ is probably a zealot and can be confronted with some facts if you like, but we should force them to make the first move in that direction, not us.

451087 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Cranmer, 2, #534 of 751 🔗

Equivocation is a speciality of the carriers of the coronavirus official narrative. It is not a tactic that honest people should advocate or use.

451094 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #535 of 751 🔗

I should clarify, this was in response to an earlier comment about someone who wanted a non-confrontational/neutral reply to stave off any enquiries without getting into an argument. It won’t be suitable for all of us on here.

451099 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #536 of 751 🔗

I though all was fair in love and war ?

Your moral stance does you credit in normal times, Steve, but very few truths are always applicable.

451111 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to Cranmer, 5, #537 of 751 🔗

I can’t think of a neutral response to such a question. I was brought up that you never asked people how they voted, for example. You don’t ask personal questions. So one response is just “None of your business”, but if you are not going to have the jab say so and say why – “I’m not letting them put that filth in my body” is my usual response. It ought to make people think.

I know that’s not what your post was about, Cranmer. 🙂

451118 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to Cranmer, 5, #538 of 751 🔗

You could try the Carlsberg respons and say “probably”.

If somebody asks if you’ve had the jab yet you could do the politicians answer of not actually answering the question:

“Yeah I got my letter/call-up weeks ago”

451135 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2021, 1, #539 of 751 🔗

I’ve done ‘I had a text telling me I am due a jab but haven’t had the date yet’.
Works in the short term.

451137 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cranmer, 3, #540 of 751 🔗

I’m just going to say “no but thanks for being in the second round trials, I suspect it’ll be proven safe by the time I get it”.

451085 Spikedee1, replying to Spikedee1, 40, #541 of 751 🔗

Well that was different. Just walked the dog over the park. What lockdown? Never seen it that crowded. No social distancing, kids playground rammed. The tea shop outside seats full. Filthy joggers spreading their spit around and nobody jumping out the way. I think people are grown up enough to see its over and are making their own decision. Are we discovering we don’t actually need a government or a vaccine to give us permission to live. To the fat pig dictator, fuck you. To God, please, please make Piss Morgan really ill after his jab. Amen!!

451108 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Spikedee1, 3, #542 of 751 🔗

Hospitals on standby.

451126 ▶▶ davews, replying to Spikedee1, 6, #543 of 751 🔗

Just back from a little walk which goes via our local station. Today the trains are replaced by buses so I assumed it would be deserted. Four people there waiting for a bus, none of them looked to be doing ‘essential travel’. Nice smile from the chap in the ticket office as well. Huge crowd of people on the footpath the other side, something obviously happening – ‘stay at home’ not…

451128 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #544 of 751 🔗

Local skatepark rammed yesterday so clearly parents aren’t worried about their children mingling.

451161 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to karenovirus, 8, #545 of 751 🔗

I’m not a parent, but the impression I get is that parents are weary. It seems that for most of them ensuring their kids aren’t in their faces 24/7 is a far bigger priority than covid.

451227 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to karenovirus, 2, #546 of 751 🔗

But tomorrow they will all submit to tests and wear a mask. The parents will not understand how stupid they are being. That pesky virus will only get the children when they are at school!

451196 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Spikedee1, 5, #547 of 751 🔗

Speaking of P Morgan (apologies if this has already been posted), note his complete defiance of social distancing in the photo attached to this DM article this morning. It hasn’t gone unnoticed in the BTL comments.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-9325777/PIERS-MORGAN-seven-mile-walk-Simon-Cowell-best-chat-oh-blistered-feet.html

Presumably he thinks that having the jab now allows him to do whatever he wants. He needs to have this illusion shattered.

451200 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Dodderydude, 4, #548 of 751 🔗

I thought he already thought that before any jab….

451231 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #549 of 751 🔗

Is Cowell really smoking in that pic? Not a discussion about pro or anti smoking, but which one is more likely to cause illness, smoking or the virus? Do these people really not think?

451270 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cumbriacracked, #550 of 751 🔗

One would have hoped the ‘covid bollox’ would at least partly have opened people’s eyes to the ‘tobacco bollox’. But no, tobacco zealots even on here.

(I wonder if Peruvian marching powder played any role on this walk ?).

451289 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JohnB, #551 of 751 🔗

I am not a tobacco zealot as you called me, I am sure the chances of illness from tobacco is higher than the miniscule chance of “covid” causing illness. That is not an anti tobacco stance more a fact? I am very happy to be corrected if the illness chance is lower from tobacco than covid.

451344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cumbriacracked, #552 of 751 🔗

Good that you put a ? after the word ‘fact’. 🙂

Whatever the truth is, government/pharma/big business will have paid for all the research. Do you trust them ? 🙂

451239 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to Spikedee1, 1, #553 of 751 🔗

I often see joggers in London and none are dumb or frightened enough to wear masks.

451092 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 11, #554 of 751 🔗

From ‘The Magical Battle of Britain’, Dion Fortune.

Letter 31, June 16th 1940.

In the time of effort and testing that we are passing through, spiritual strength is
needed. both by us as individuals and by the nation as a whole. It is through
spiritual strength that we shall triumph over the brute force that opposes us.
Nazism has physical and astral and mental powers, but it has no spiritual
contacts, hence its lack of all ethical standards and its complete
irresponsibility.

We, on our part, have the spiritual forces of the cosmos behind us. For these we have to make channels through our own natures; we are, in fact, the channels of their manifestation in exact proportion to our realisation of them. As soon as these channels are opened into any plane or sphere, the forces will build forms there for themselves. We do not have to toil at the form-building, we simply have to win the realisations and hold them steadily, then the forces do their own work.

451106 ▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnB, 6, #555 of 751 🔗

Replace ‘Nazism’ by ‘ Covidism’, and it’s all bang on.

451095 Lowe, replying to Lowe, 13, #556 of 751 🔗

Mirabile dictu! Another customer in the local Co-op this morning without a mask! Another human being! Two of us! Maybe it’s spring?

451134 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Lowe, 6, #557 of 751 🔗

Good for you. I just returned from trip to town, massive queues awaiting opening of M&S and Wilko. Every single one of them in a mask. Outside. I freeking despair.

451178 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Lowe, 1, #558 of 751 🔗

Woh that’s good. It definitely gives you a boost when you see this!

451115 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 5, #559 of 751 🔗

Amybody got a copy of the tweet from evil psycho-bitch Susan Michie on how getting kids to wear FN’s would normalise adults wearing em?

Also has anybody got a photo of her looking like an evil bitch with a face nap on?

451127 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Two-Six, 3, #560 of 751 🔗

Not sure if she tweeted it but it was covered in this guardian article. Why do you want a picture of her nappied up? She’s mean enough looking when bare faced.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/02/should-primary-schoolchildren-be-made-to-wear-masks

451150 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 4, #561 of 751 🔗

I was surprised to hear that many people on the evidencenotfear discord channel had’nt hear of Trish G and Susan M the psycho svengalis from hell. So I wanted to find that tweet she did and a picture of her. She had a picture of herself in one on her twitter profile that made he look particularly evil.

451164 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to godowneasy, 2, #562 of 751 🔗

Try nurse Rachett from one flew over the cuckoos nest or the physco nurse from High Anxiety or the “send in the clones” shouty woman from Austin powers ( no masks but you get my drift 😉 🤬

451174 ▶▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to Freddy Boy, 1, #563 of 751 🔗

Frau Farbissina. A favourite character of mine. My daughter used to go round shouting “send in the fembots!” when she was younger.

Happy days……

451120 davews, replying to davews, 4, #564 of 751 🔗

Further to the church discussion below.
I turned my laptop on this morning to join our regular Zoom Sunday morning church service (I was almost not going to bother as I feel a bit down this morning). Blank screen…. It is probably repairable (after all I do repair these sort of things for a living) but will take time. So nothing to join any Zoom at the moment, including the church property meeting we are holding tomorrow where I am expected to be there. Oh well, that is life, no doubt I will be missed…

451244 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to davews, #565 of 751 🔗

Did you try switching it off and back on again ? (Assuming you plugged it in …). 🙂

451123 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 16, #566 of 751 🔗

The treatment of Dr Kulvinder Kaur Gill highlighted above has properly riled me for some reason.

I agree with everything she said there, I just sent a long angry letter to the CPSO (College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario) essentially telling them they’re idiots, it was quite cathartic.

451224 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #567 of 751 🔗

A good example that these policies only work due to technology these days.

451286 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Silke David, 1, #568 of 751 🔗

This comment is supposed to link to the statement below by davews about Zoom church.

451140 DomTaylor, replying to DomTaylor, 4, #569 of 751 🔗

Interesting that the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada cite Chinese Communist Party (CCP) statistics as evidence. Everyone else knows better than to accept CCP data. Smells strongly of corruption to me.

451166 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to DomTaylor, 1, #570 of 751 🔗

Yes – unlike the statistics of all other governments.

Do you believe UK or US statistics?

Or Canadian?

451197 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to rockoman, #571 of 751 🔗

Not necessarily. And for the same reasons.

451173 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DomTaylor, 3, #572 of 751 🔗

All these Royal Colleges seem to political activists for far left ideology

451195 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to DomTaylor, #573 of 751 🔗

Or matching ideology.

451147 mj, replying to mj, 23, #574 of 751 🔗

Interesting article in the Sunday Times sports section .
“Experts find no evidence that Covid transmitted on field”
“Not a single case of on-the-field transmission of the Covid-19 virus has been confirmed in football, rugby union, rugby league or American football during a full year of the pandemic, medical experts have revealed.”
What a surprise!!! So banning all the sports at a local level has been completely pointless

451158 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to mj, 18, #575 of 751 🔗

The ban’s not been completely pointless. It managed to turn fit, healthy, happy people into fat, depressed, sickly ones. A great success.

451159 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 14, #576 of 751 🔗

… or, more potently, submissive ones.

451192 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to mj, 8, #577 of 751 🔗

“So banning all the sports at a local level has been completely pointless”

That entirely depends on what the real purpose was.
If it was demoralizing the population, it’s worked a treat.

451162 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #578 of 751 🔗

Laurence Fox is effectively splitting the anti-Khan vote and weakening Kurten’s position. Why would he do that?

451169 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #579 of 751 🔗

Yes, my thoughts exactly. Fox should back Kurten, who has an actual base in London and has been involved there long term. Splitting the vote is senseless. Hopefully, in the end he will endorse Kurten.

All these fringe/new parties need to come to an understanding, each supporting the others in different parts of the country.

451205 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 3, #580 of 751 🔗

I think he will eventually back Kurten. It may actually be a master stroke of Kurten, he is not a well known name and maybe not getting as much publicity. Fox will certainly bring that to the party, so uses his fame to ensure Kurten gets the votes eventually.

451246 ▶▶▶ A Heretic, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #581 of 751 🔗

nice to see the smear campaign is alive and well:

David Michael Kurten AM (born 22 March 1971) is a British politician, former teacher and conspiracy theorist

451170 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, #582 of 751 🔗

yes, it was the labour party splitting the ‘left of centre’ vote that let the looney lefty Corbyn in…

451176 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 3, #583 of 751 🔗

looney lefty Corbyn

You sound like a Guardian glove puppet worked by the mad, bad and dangerous Tory Central Office.

451189 ▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Major Panic, 2, #584 of 751 🔗

It was the Brexit Party and Conservative Party splitting the vote that did let in a couple of Labour MPs. Which was why the BXP pulled out of most constituencies when the Tories refused to countenance any agreement between them, and many voters were left with little choice but to vote for the disastrous Boris Johnson.

451175 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #585 of 751 🔗

Inclined to agree. Whilst I have utmost admiration for anyone who stands up & puts themselves out there (to be fair there’s no way I could do it) I think in London, Kurten has certainly much more chance vs Sadiq. He has been campaigning quite effectively getting his name out there a bit the last year or so, and imo has done well in the London Assembly, certainly he doesn’t let Khan off the hook when he is spouting off nonsense.

451419 ▶▶ gina, replying to Cheezilla, #586 of 751 🔗

There’s loads of candidates so I’m not quite clear why Fox is being accused of splitting the vote?

451165 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 20, #587 of 751 🔗

Swiss To Reject e-ID Law

With half of votes counted, currently 63% against proposed e-ID law. So, it is more or less certain to be decisively rejected.

Proposed law was criticized in particular for role of private companies, concerns about data privacy.

451204 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #588 of 751 🔗

Pesky Swiss and their pesky referenda.

451221 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to karenovirus, 1, #589 of 751 🔗

They’ll soon find some new voting machines.

451171 Janette, replying to Janette, 10, #590 of 751 🔗

Anyone heard what’s going on in Israel. It’s absolutely horrendous. It’s pure Nazism.

451193 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Janette, 2, #591 of 751 🔗

Yes, I agree.

451213 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Janette, 5, #592 of 751 🔗

Israel has always depended upon repression – it is nothing new. The ‘haven of democracy in the Middle East’ image was always bullshit.

Personally, I found it a very weird and uncomfortable country to be in.

451282 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to RickH, 1, #593 of 751 🔗

Yes, I wonder why people seem shocked that they are doing this.

451284 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jb12, #594 of 751 🔗

msm ?

451218 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Janette, 2, #595 of 751 🔗

Just dreadful. James Dellingpole discusses it on his latest podcast, posted somewhere below I think.

https://vimeo.com/519983736

451172 Basileus, 6, #596 of 751 🔗

Good news on Vitamin D.

https://c19vitamind.com/ma.html

451181 Stringfellow Hawke, 2, #597 of 751 🔗
451185 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 6, #598 of 751 🔗

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/prime-minister-boris-johnson-knows-5079165

Just come across this.

”But when I asked him about the plans to get secondary schools to use lateral flow tests on students, he seemed surprised to hear that it was a voluntary scheme.
I got the Boris look. Befuddlement, a slight intake of breath, ruffle of the hair and then a plea to families to support the testing efforts.
It was one of those tell-tale moments when you realise a Government policy hasn’t really been thought through that well”

451202 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, 2, #599 of 751 🔗

Con Home has Chis Whitty and Van Tam being told to issue a pro mask statement to ‘reassure’ parents about schools going back TOMORROW.
Not thought out at all.

451371 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #600 of 751 🔗

Hmmmm. A few more ‘Masking kids is Child Abuse’ stickers need to be distributed I see. Later.

451188 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 33, #601 of 751 🔗

I’m finding it difficult to understand why some people are having the jab now, because they want to travel, when it’s still illegal to sit on a park bench and you’re not supposed to stray 2cm from your house? I mean surely the smart money is to wait and see how this all unravels in the next couple of months?

One of my offspring had Covid quite badly, in the guise of a very bad flu, knocked him out for a good month. It was the beginning of the pandemic last spring, no tests back then, but lots of half term skiers were doing their bit for herd immunity at our school and the kids were dropping like flies at the time. Also Mr FIF brought it back from London, so we had 2 sources of the plague right there. Non of this experience makes me what to participate in a vax trial. I see people sometimes saying they still don’t know anyone whose had symptomatic Covid, as one of their reasons for not feeling they need the vax, but I suspect you’d feel the same even if you did, because you’ve done the research. And by that same token I do understand when the at risk groups choose to have it.

I really hope with all I’ve got that someone sees sense and realises this needs to be administered in the same fashion as a flu jab, and throw all this show us your papers crap out the window.

No one is really talking about the financial suicide and logistical nightmare of vaxxing the whole population every 6 months or whatever. Will they start charging people for jabs? Charging for your papers? (As per driving licenses and passports). Not only medical apartheid, but socio-economic apartheid. I’ll add that to my list of 101 reasons why vax passports won’t be workable.

451208 ▶▶ Kat, replying to Fear is Finite, 8, #602 of 751 🔗

You’ve summed it up beautifully but commonsense doesn’t seem to exist anymore.

451214 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Fear is Finite, 7, #603 of 751 🔗

There’s a term in marketing called Complicate for Profit. You make more and more rules and special cases to keep customers interested. The opposite is Simplify for Results. You can tell why that’s not always taken onboard.

What we are seeing has all the hallmarks of a marketing campaign, a Herbalife if you will. Except there are harsh penalties so it’s more like a cult.

451222 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Fear is Finite, 7, #604 of 751 🔗

Well said!

Will they start charging people for jabs?

No, because that would risk adding choice to the matter. Currently they have the best sort of contract possible, they can take taxpayer money without asking and give it straight to their friends. And everyone thanks them for doing it so quickly. Why would they give that up?

451225 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Tee Ell, #605 of 751 🔗

That’s depressing.

451252 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Fear is Finite, 6, #606 of 751 🔗

All common sense but you under the mistaken assumption we still live in a democracy.That all changed last year and vaccine/digital passports are a control tool that the globalists are desperate to implement.The lockdown will continue until enough people are vaccinated to make them feasible.

451359 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #607 of 751 🔗

They’re having it now so that they can post a picture on social media and shout about how they’re doing their bit and how selfish everyone else is.

Also a lot of people are of course utterly petrified, they want the jab just so they can feel safe opening their front doors.

451295 ▶▶ Janette, replying to Basileus, 4, #609 of 751 🔗

And nothing in our MSM about this. Absolutely shocking!

451207 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #610 of 751 🔗

Friend from the US just sent me this, interesting watch:

https://lindelltv.com

He asks “how long before it’s removed by the thought police?”

451388 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #611 of 751 🔗

It’s been a available for a few months now. It’s excellent yet ignored.

451209 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 11, #612 of 751 🔗

Above my head but Geert Vanden Bossche a( vaccine developer who worked for GAVI) seems very concerned about vaccinating during a pandemic. Seems to think the act itself could cause more infection – variants.
A You tube talk here Mass Vaccination in a Pandemic – Benefits versus Risks: Interview with Geert Vanden Bossche – YouTube

451217 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mic67, 4, #613 of 751 🔗

Lucky the pandemic’s over then 😉

451219 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Mic67, 1, #614 of 751 🔗

“Is this the kind of weapon for the war we are fighting now, and my answer is definitely no”

451236 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mic67, 6, #615 of 751 🔗

This is pretty much what I bang on about at regular intervals – although I highlight the risk of
another novel pathogen, but since SARS 2 appears a variant of SARS 1, I guess it amounts to the same thing – novel pathogens don’t just pop out of nowhere.

Good to hear it from such a qualified source: mass vaccination for respiratory viruses is a risk to homo sapiens as a species. It could result in a devastating and very real plague at some point if we continue down this path.Nothing can be done to stop respiratory viruses entirely from passing from person to person…that truth, so buried by propaganda, needs to be reasserted.

Presumably Marianna Spring will be straight on the case, trying to get him locked up as a dangerous conspiracist causing “real world harms” *

* Copyright BBC, causing real world harms since 1922.

451269 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to OKUK, 1, #616 of 751 🔗

Be interesting to see how far this goes won’t it. Seems…errrr….quite important!

451238 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Mic67, 5, #617 of 751 🔗

It’s going to result in more and more “boosters” as we oft point out on these pages. Which of course results in pharma glee.

451391 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to Mic67, #618 of 751 🔗

I’ve just watched the video and I am more determined than ever not to get vaccinated. In the past my view was because I am under 70 without any health problems I could not see myself benefiting from vaccination. My other view was because viruses mutate you need another vaccine to counter them so I would take vitamin D which is known to enhance your immunity what ever the virus does. Now I discover the vaccine only prevents disease which could lead to virus resistant vaccines this is horrifying to think about and something that everyone should know about. The scientist mentioned the problem with this pandemic is that we’ve been seeking solutions instead of analysing the problem. I remember Einstein being asked once if he had an hour to save the world what would be do. His reply was ” spend 55 minutes analysing and 5 minutes applying the solution. If governments and scientists would have heeded Einstein humanity would not now be in this mess.

451216 Maccynic, replying to Maccynic, 27, #619 of 751 🔗

Here is the new advertising campaign.

Go out. Have a life. Preserve the NHS for treatment of the clinically ill.

To underline our commitment to keeping you safe:

The wearing of face coverings in a non
clinical setting will be made illegal, with £500 on the spot fines for those found to be covering their face for no valid reason. ‘doing your bit’ is not a reasonable excuse.

Hand sanitizer is forthwith proscribed under the statutory instrument ‘witchcraft resistance legislation 2021’

Anyone found to be remaining at home without a reasonable excuse, or a ‘stay at home’ lanyard, will be subject to forced removal from said home and compelled to walk down the high street. (Anti swerving into the roadway amendment applies at all times)

Positive tests for asymptomatic disease is internet fake news. If you are asymptomatic (aka fit and healthy) but claim exemption to remain at home because some fragments of dna were found up your nose, you will be in contempt of the above legislation.

Not sending your children to school because nothing has happened to them or their teachers is an abrogation of parental responsibility and will result in your child having to go to school, under the ‘children are obliged to go to school (sensational new concept legislation 2021 amendment)

Current consideration is being given to drafting legislation which will counter attempts to coercively introduce genetically modified products into otherwise healthy people. Those who agree to such scientifically unfounded treatment may be subject to compulsory re education into how something that doesnt protect them or others has been represented as a legitimate medical treatment. (Snake oil salesmen regulation act 1878)

Stay safe.

The government.

451229 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Maccynic, 6, #620 of 751 🔗

A very moderate policy platform.

Not sure about the sign-off. Perhaps “Stay free” would be more appropriate. 🙂

451232 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Maccynic, 3, #621 of 751 🔗

Excellent – except for “ children are obliged to go to school (sensational new concept legislation 2021 amendment)”

Home schooling is far superior.

451234 sam s.j., replying to sam s.j., 1, #622 of 751 🔗

anyone know where to get stickers like the white rose ones for the u.s. too?
i dont belong to telegram or anything like that.
i woudl be happy to leave those stickers around

451265 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to sam s.j., 1, #623 of 751 🔗

If you want the zip file contact me at helianthemum (at) protonmail (dot) com

451287 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to this is my username, 1, #624 of 751 🔗

thank you so much for your kind offer i am terrible at computer and email too maybe i could find the image on the internet and take to a printer shop to have them make into stickers for me or even easier for me- just print at home on regular paper
i did print at home bungles poster just left out iilkly and will leave them somewhere ,every little bit helps i figure

the white rose is great

451281 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to sam s.j., 1, #625 of 751 🔗

One of our local group has a sticker (/label) printer. Highly recommended.

451288 ▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to JohnB, #626 of 751 🔗

im going to see if i can do that using my home printer just buy stickers thanks for the idea !

451314 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to sam s.j., 1, #627 of 751 🔗

Getting them printed professionally would be far far far far cheaper in my experience.

451324 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam s.j., replying to Tee Ell, #628 of 751 🔗

i have some sticker labels could try using [ i ‘m very paranoid and worried about being reported ,althoguh the printer s could have sceptics there too] will try my more stealthy route untill can find fellow sceptics near me to help [ saftey in number s :]]

wil start with my home printed bungle’s poster . that was very easy to print .

451235 Binra, replying to Binra, 6, #629 of 751 🔗

Why does ‘ Guy de la Bédoyère ‘ get prime placement for propagandising denial of freedom, lockdown and submission to a biosecurity state’ on a seemingly anti lockdown site? And in the context of and intro depicting tyranny framed as IF a choice?

451243 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Binra, 2, #630 of 751 🔗

Good question. I find his contributions suspect ie not defending the cause of freedom and good health.

451255 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Binra, #631 of 751 🔗

Can you quote the bit you mean, not sure I’m following?

451237 Ross Hendry, 2, #632 of 751 🔗

This plandemic would make a great Sci-Fi movie.

Oh, it’s already been done…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etekvGN4R_g

451251 Basileus, 5, #633 of 751 🔗
451254 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 16, #634 of 751 🔗

I’m up on the South Downs (as usual). The forecast said it would be a max of 6-7C today. It’s about twice that.
The bastards are fiddling the weather forecast to keep people at home.

451257 ▶▶ Skippy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #635 of 751 🔗

I’m waving at you furiously from Stanmer Park!

451261 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Skippy, 2, #636 of 751 🔗

And I’m near Queens Park. We have our own Freedom Cell.

451277 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mic67, 2, #637 of 751 🔗

BIt further East, near Lewes ! 🙂

451410 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JohnB, #638 of 751 🔗

Wave at my partner – she’s the one talking to the sheep on Firle Beacon.

451409 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Mic67, #639 of 751 🔗

I know. There are more cells round here than in a Covid culture. There’s one that meets in a teepee.

451406 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Skippy, #640 of 751 🔗

I try not to look in the direction of Falmer. There be dragons!

451413 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Skippy, #641 of 751 🔗

Wave …

451268 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #642 of 751 🔗

Much warmer in the Midlands today than was forecast.

451293 ▶▶ Annie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #643 of 751 🔗

A new Low, eh?

451420 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Annie, #644 of 751 🔗

TeeHee! More of a bit of a High – it’s about 1025mb today. There’s a dying occluded front heading this way by Wednesday. Doesn’t look much on it, but the forecast says it’s full strength. We shall see.

451264 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #645 of 751 🔗

Why should current Covid vaccines not be used in a pandemic?

https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6dedb66a43fe9a6548f/files/ee29efbe-ffaf-4289-8782-d323642a0072/concern_about_using_current_Covid_19_vaccines_for_mass_vaccination_in_the_midst_of_a_pandemic_Geert_Vanden_Bossche.pdf

Vaccines Summit Ohio 2021 March 1-3, 2021 Ohio, USA G. Vanden Bossche, DVM, PhD Independent Vaccine Research Consultant

451275 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Basileus, 6, #646 of 751 🔗

“Immediate cancellation of all ongoing Covid-19 mass vaccination campaigns should now become THE most acute health emergency of international concern”

The World : *tumbleweed*

451382 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, #647 of 751 🔗

This is a scenario I’ve seen discussed on a few blogs. We’ve no escape from the consequences of this experiment

451266 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 1, #648 of 751 🔗

Can anyone suggest any definitive sites where I can find information that shows that the ”vax” manufacturers (or the NHS) say that it doesn’t stop contagion or transmission?

If they have such faith in this poison, why don’t people begin to embrace again? (I saw two of my elderly rellies ”bumping elbows” – both had been vaxxed.)

451292 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Banjones, 12, #649 of 751 🔗

https://www.nottsapc.nhs.uk/media/1642/covidvaccinefaqspfizer.pdf

It categorically states:

Pfizer BioNTech is an mRNA vaccine, unlike traditional vaccines, mRNA vaccines do not use inactivated virus, but a portion of the viral sequence which encodes for one or more of the viral antigens. It contains the genetic sequence for the spike protein found on the surface of COVID-19

And also:

If I have received both doses of the vaccine, am I exempt from self isolation if I am identified as a COVID contact?

No, you would not be exempt. The vaccine is not 100% effective, we do not know whether it will stop you from catching or passing on the virus. Therefore you would need to isolate if you were identified as a COVID-19 contact. Failure to self-isolate may result in a fine.

I am currently shielding, how long after receiving the vaccine can I stop shielding?

The vaccine is not 100% effective, we do not know whether it will stop you from catching or passing on the virus. Therefore you would need to isolate if you were identified as a COVID19 contact. If you have been advised to shield as you are clinically extremely vulnerable, then you continue to do this until told otherwise. You should continue to practice social distancing, wear a face mask”

That help?

451296 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #650 of 751 🔗

It helps me to see that the bloody vaccine is bloody useless.

451308 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Annie, 9, #651 of 751 🔗

Worse than useless- seriously harmful to our future immunity to coronaviruses and that’s for both the jabbed and the non-jabbed. Next time you meet someone who says they’ve had the ‘vaccine’, cover your mouth and move away – explain that your immune system can be compromised by the variants their body is now producing (you’ll have no friends but you may survive the dystopian future these mass vaccinations will inevitably create for us all).

451351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to jos, 3, #652 of 751 🔗

A friend has started wearing a mask for trips to the supermarket when they haven’t for the last 12 months. I live in a very elderly area. When I asked why after all this time they said due to the shedding from mass vaccination. The Oxford/ Az one contains “ Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike (S) glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells .”

I thought they were being neurotic, now I am wondering as we have never had such mass vaccination before… Then you have to consider the extra toxins in the water supply now and what about the issue of blood donation (the latter has been raised before on here). There shouldn’t be any discrimination and everyone should have free choice but these are a few things to be aware of…

451321 ▶▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Annie, 4, #653 of 751 🔗

There’s a lot of ‘we don’t know’ going on in that, isn’t here. If you don’t know, why not, and if not, why the hell are you foisting this on us (but still makes me mad that people are gullible enough to be rushing for the thing).

451386 ▶▶▶▶▶ Annie, replying to disgruntled246, 2, #654 of 751 🔗

It seems pretty clear that Pfizer are keenly aware that their muck has not been properly tested. They must know that it could be the next thalidomide, only far, far worse, because thalidomide was given only to a very small percentage of the population.
OK, Pfizer win’t be liable in law, but it will be liable in reputation.
Their excuse will be ‘The government made us do it.’
Will that be sufficient to cover their arse?I doubt it.

451412 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Annie, 1, #655 of 751 🔗

More like the next Zyklon B.
Of all the people, how could Israelis take such a reckless gamble?
NOTHING is known and knowable and will be known and knowable for years about their medium and long term side effects. Nothing.
The last thing any sensible leader and people would do then, is to administer such a drug to its whole population at once.
Note how Pfizer is trying to blackmail Argentina, Brazil&co on the liability issue denials by them.
A private company now demanding that the respective governments then give them their countries property, like foreign embassies, as collateral?
What an absurd world are we now living in?!

451306 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Awkward Git, #656 of 751 🔗

Yes. Many thanks.

451302 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Banjones, 2, #657 of 751 🔗

BMJ has some good stuff about the trials: “Hospital admissions and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30 000 people. The same is true of its ability to save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

Pfizer CEO:
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/29/pfizer-admits-vaccine-does-not-prevent-covid.aspx

Moderna admits vaccine trials “do not show” it stops transmission:
https://www.fastcompany.com/90579773/moderna-chief-medical-officer-vaccinated-adults-could-still-infect-the-unvaccinated-with-covid

WHO “no evidence” vaccine stops transmission:
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-no-evidence-coronavirus-vaccine-prevent-transmissions-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

451340 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #658 of 751 🔗

Thank you. Much appreciated.

451304 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Banjones, 4, #659 of 751 🔗

According to the NHS leaflet, “Covid 19 vaccination: a guide for older adults” the vaccinated are required to follow all the coronavirus rules.

The developers of these so called vaccines only claim that their products reduce the severity of the symptoms. This is the official position. I have no idea why some people apparently think otherwise.

451272 tony rattray, replying to tony rattray, 6, #660 of 751 🔗

Tiny welsh blessings

It looks like wales is going to open up a lot quicker than england and scotland. Lets see how the ginger nut and clown boris respond.

Covid in Wales: ‘Stay local’ rule considered for next review – BBC News

451291 ▶▶ Annie, replying to tony rattray, 6, #661 of 751 🔗

So I won’t be a criminal if I drive a couple of miles to a beach.
How very generous.
I grovel in gratitude.
Or I would if I hadn’t been … ooh, naughty me.

This is no challenge from the Cymric Stalinists to the Fascists over the border.It’s only us Welsh who aren’t permitted to travel at all.
The word Welsh originally meant ‘slave’.
It still does.

451276 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 29, #662 of 751 🔗

Just loading my hot dog up with fried onions and ketchup, around fifty bikes bbq is going free burgers dogs for those camping out or in caravan, weather lovely but chilly, spirits are high particularly with a fine malt liquor inside.. Will be proposing a toast later on “Johnson go fuck yourself”…

451365 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #663 of 751 🔗

I’ll bring me tent – hold the hot dogs !

451366 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #664 of 751 🔗
451278 Silke David, 5, #665 of 751 🔗

There is a video about the protest in Stockholm here:
https://youtu.be/tIrRWWXcBHY

Heiko Schoening, a German doctor, speaking.

Filmed by Kai Stuht, a German photographer, who is currently in Sweden for several months making a documentary film.

451285 jos, replying to jos, 20, #666 of 751 🔗

At the beginning of lockdown, domestic abuse, whether physical or coercive, was given as a reason for breaking ‘the rules’ and travelling. Aren’t we all currently in an abusive relationship with our government and locked down in this country? Doesn’t that give us the status to claim our right to leave this country for a less abusive one? Just wondering…

451394 ▶▶ stewart, replying to jos, 2, #667 of 751 🔗

You have no rights. Only the ones the government explicitly gives you.

That is the world now.

451402 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to stewart, #668 of 751 🔗

And most people want and like it that way.
The more there is ‘verboten’ the better.
The credo and DNA of the Greens meets the 4th turning crisis….

451290 this is my username, 18, #669 of 751 🔗

I just shared this elsewhere and my comment was:

With tears pouring down my face I have to ask WHAT ARE WE LETTING THESE MONSTERS DO TO US? Whys is ANYONE EVEN CONSIDERING this gene therapy injection? That’s what 12 months of trauma based mind control does to a population. It’s just HEARTBREAKING!”

Link: https://prezi.com/i/lbier3d29hgd/reports-of-injury-after-v/

451297 Fingerache Philip, replying to Fingerache Philip, 13, #670 of 751 🔗

The MOS actually printed a letter from some “loathsome low life” arguing that the vaccine should be compulsory unless they have a GP certificate that a health risk exists.
He went on to say the option to refuse should be removed and should ultimately lead to arrest and forced vaccination.
NO PRISONERS, MY CHILDREN, NO PRISONERS.

451301 ▶▶ jos, replying to Fingerache Philip, 7, #671 of 751 🔗

Would my birth certificate be proof that a health risk exists?

451303 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to jos, 1, #672 of 751 🔗

Good question and answer.

451310 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Fingerache Philip, 12, #673 of 751 🔗

What people who advocate forced vaccination don’t realise is that they don’t have to deal with the fallout when I or someone close to me gets seriously injured or ill as a result of taking something experimental that has been rushed out under enormous political pressure, just to cover some politicians’ arses after they massively overreacted in March 2020.

That, and the fact forced vaccination is a human rights travesty.

451317 ▶▶▶ Cumbriacracked, replying to Poppy, 9, #674 of 751 🔗

They will also be the first people to scream if they, or a close member of their family or friend, suffered illness/death from the vaccine. Fine if it happens to someone else, as you say Poppy, they will not have to deal with it, should it happen to them it will be anyone’s fault other than themselves for forcing mandatory vaccinations.

451397 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Poppy, 2, #675 of 751 🔗

Yep.
I would never tell someone to not get vaccinated, because I would not be or want to feel responsible if they got or succumbed to the rona, whether from or the in truth more likely with.
I might give them reasons against it, but would always stress that it is solely their decision, and that they must assess their personal risk/reward ratio (only copping out NOW against your own assessment and conviction ONLY because vaccine passports are deemed inevitable by you is neither sensible nor excusable).
If only the vaxxers c/would be as tolerant as me.
Maybe they c/would get it, if I introduced them to my SIL, who became mentally handicapped through the smallpox vaccination in 1965?!

451311 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Fingerache Philip, 8, #676 of 751 🔗

If I find the person that advocates for this and throw them in a pool of molten hot magma, there will be zero risk of them catching SARS-CoV-2. Seems like the best course of action.

451323 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #677 of 751 🔗

Mind you, they would still go down as a covid death statistic!

451378 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Tee Ell, #678 of 751 🔗

Tut tut, this lavatorial humour must cease.

451341 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Fingerache Philip, 4, #679 of 751 🔗

He should move to North Korea – although they probably haven’t even gone that far there, have they?

451364 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Fingerache Philip, #680 of 751 🔗

NO PRISONERS

Yep. If one takes them prisoner, they might escape and try again.

451298 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 32, #681 of 751 🔗

Putting together a post-injection questionnaire for those I know who tells me they have been jabbed.

My questions are:

Post Covid-19 vaccination questionnaire – Information given prior to injection
Yes or No answers only

Were you informed of the legal requirement of “Informed Consent” with
regards to receiving any medical intervention prior to the injection as per
The Montgomery Judgement 2015?

Were you informed that the injection does not meet the legal or medical
definitions of a vaccine?

Were you told which injection you were being given – Pfizer, AstraZeneca
or modeRNA?

Were you informed that the injection is actually called gene replacement
therapy as it contains no attenuated virus?

Were you informed what gene replacement therapy is?

Were you informed that the injection only has Emergency Use Approval?

Were you informed that the injection does not meet the legal or medical
definitions of a vaccine?

Were you informed that the injection does not have full marketing
approval?

Were you informed the injection is unlicensed?

Were you informed that the Phase 3 safety studies will not be completed
until 2023?

Were you informed that under the Authorisation for Use document that
only specific batch numbers manufactured between specific dates can be
used?

Were you informed of which batch number you were to be injected with?

Were you informed of the date of manufacture of the batch number?

Was this confirmed as meeting the Authorisation for Use documentation’s
specified batch numbers and dates?

Were you informed of the name of the person performing the injection?

Were you informed of all possible adverse reactions that had been
reported during the Phase 1 and 2 safety studies?

Were you informed where adverse reactions should be reported to at the
MHRA and with the manufacturer’s own reporting systems?

Were you asked about or informed of any conditions that you may have
or have had previously that increased the chances of adverse reactions
from the injection?

Were you informed that the injection does not protect you against
contracting covid-19?

Were you informed that the injection does not stop you spreading
covid-19?

Were you informed that the injection only reduces the effects of the
symptoms of covid-19?

Were you informed that after receiving the injection you still had to follow
social distancing, shielding, wearing of face coverings and other
Government guidance?

Were you given all this information in writing?

Were you specifically asked if you understood all this information?

Were you informed of alternative treatments to receiving the injection?

Were you given the opportunity to ask questions about any of the
information given?

Were you asked specifically that you agreed to receive the injection?

Were you informed that the injection manufacturers had been given
immunity from prosecution by the UK Government but that medical
personnel administering the injections had not been given the same
protection?

Were you given a form to sign that stated you had received all the
relevant information?

Did this from contain all the information that was discussed or made
available to you prior to the injection?

If the answer to ANY of the questions above is NO then there was NO informed
consent.

The person giving the injection acted illegally and is personally liable for any damages to
your person that may arise from the injection for the rest of your natural life.

451312 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #682 of 751 🔗

MAXIMUM KABOOMAGE!

Holy heck, I have blast injuries.

451318 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #683 of 751 🔗

like this…

451333 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #684 of 751 🔗

Great work

451337 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #685 of 751 🔗

All very important and relevant questions, but people should consider these BEFORE getting injected. Even if they now refuse no2. the damage is already done.

451355 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Silke David, 2, #686 of 751 🔗

I know and you know that but the sheeple need shaken up a bit.

451352 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #687 of 751 🔗

here it is as a pdf:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Agv7JEO8MngCi0IMsw1NMB73SKgl

Feel free to use.

451360 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #688 of 751 🔗

First class, as usual, AG.

451404 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Awkward Git, #689 of 751 🔗

And … were you informed that you might be given a placebo?

451299 maggy mcgeown, 6, #690 of 751 🔗

Great piece of French Resistance from the Gare du Nord last Thursday, the national day of protest against the closure of places of culture.
(113) DANSER ENCORE de HK Flashmob à Gare du Nord (4 Mars 2021) – YouTube

451307 Obedience, replying to Obedience, 8, #691 of 751 🔗

I’m really enjoying the Government’s latest propaganda campaign:

Every rune in the ritual circle
Every séance
Every goat sacrificed at dawn
Evert eye of newt in the cauldron
Every magic spell
Every unicorn hat worn
Every clove of garlic in the window
Every tea leaf read
Every incense burnt
Everything we’re doing is helping to stop the spread of Covid-19
Let’s keep going

Stay home > Follow the Science > Obey

451354 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Obedience, 2, #692 of 751 🔗

Fairly sure one doesn’t sacrifice one’s goat at dawn, but otherwise, brilliant ! 🙂

451374 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to JohnB, #693 of 751 🔗

You mean all my goat sacrifices have been inefficacious?

Oh, shit. I feel hot, and a dry cough is surely developing.

451375 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to JohnB, 3, #694 of 751 🔗

Goat sacrifice time varies with the length of daylight.

(Only kidding. A blow against the nanny state.)

451313 Ianric, replying to Ianric, 9, #695 of 751 🔗

It has been argued that if it wasn’t for media hysteria and government banging on about covid, no one would have noticed we are in a pandemic. I wonder what would a person who has heard nothing or read nothing about covid think if they woke up and found businesses closed and regulations in place. Would they think the following :-

A) I can understand why these measures are in place. I see signs of a dangerous pandemic.
B) I don’t understand why these measures are in place. I have seen no evidence of a problem which justifies these measures.

451322 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Ianric, 8, #696 of 751 🔗

They would think we were in an economic depression, preparing for war or that society had been taken over by a mad cult.

Possibly all three.

451362 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rockoman, 1, #697 of 751 🔗

They would think they were on the set of ’28 Days Later ll’.

451315 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #698 of 751 🔗

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-1007_article

 The below slide is a short article about the 1976 swine flu vaccine campaign, which some of us remember vividly. The US military paranoia about a new Spanish flu. The theoretical risk of a new pandemic autumn 1976. The vaccination program with no indemnity of Big Pharma. President Ford receiving the new vaccine which was based upon previous flu vaccine with the swine flu component.
Then after 25% of US population vaccinated, 40 million, an abrupt halt of the campaign after 10 weeks. The CDC-director sacked in 1977(the above author in the link above). What was the cause of stopping the campaign? Guillain Barre syndrome with an estimated 500 cases in 40 million and 25 deaths. That was still rare, 1 case in 120 000 and deaths perhaps I per million.
Do you think anyone in the US would stop the current mRNA vaccine with the above frequency?
The difference is that public health at that time was not swallowed up by Big Pharma

451345 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #699 of 751 🔗

A time of independence in journalism. Now, Big Tech and Pharma are wonder sof print media and work hand in glove to control any bad press.

451316 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #700 of 751 🔗

This seems to have died a death:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-inquiry-jeremy-hunt-greg-clark-commons-b863174.html

I even went to the trouble of sending them an e-mail back in October 2020 with my evidence for them.

Maybe they were warned off and told to be quiet?

451332 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #701 of 751 🔗

Seems to too many coincidences like that. Some MPs or public figures feel they need to question the narrative and then don’t follow through. It’s all managed to give the impression that there are checks or some form of scrutiny?

451319 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #702 of 751 🔗

Rangers fans “already gathering at Ibrox” says the Sports News drone in sombre tones. Let’s hope the numbers don’t get totally unmanageable and the police aren’t able to do anything about it but watch them party, that would be awful.

451326 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jo Starlin, 9, #703 of 751 🔗

It was busy enough yesterday.Half of Glasgow will be partying and there is nothing Sturgeon can do about it

451335 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #704 of 751 🔗

JUST YOU WAIT 2 WEEKS!!!!!!

451373 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #705 of 751 🔗

Aren’t we still waiting for the beach parties and demos back in June last year to result in bodies in the streets, hangars full of corpses, body bags stacked up outside hospitals, etc?

451346 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Jo Starlin, 1, #706 of 751 🔗

God help Glasgow if Rangers decide to party; Manchester remembers what that looks like.

451349 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #707 of 751 🔗

I’m tempted to buy a penny whistle in solidarity. 🙂

451395 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jo Starlin, 2, #708 of 751 🔗

Whilst I am not interested in Football I cannot abide the sectarianism of Rangers (or, indeed, Celtic) but I hope the Gers fans have a party to end all parties!!!

451325 Steve Hayes, 7, #709 of 751 🔗

Sky News reporting on Rangers fans celebrating condemned the failure to observe social distancing.

Sky News reporting on the Pope’s visit to Mosel said nothing about the failure to observe social distancing.

If they did not have double standards, they would not have any standards.

451327 BeBopRockSteady, 1, #710 of 751 🔗

Scott Atlas on the costs of Lockdowns. The numbers are just frightening

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/science-politics-covid-will-truth-prevail/

451328 iane, 1, #711 of 751 🔗

And, completely OTT, but for anyone wanting a giggle I give you

https://www.watchprosite.com/timeout/who-s-watching-/686.1411776.12877731/

451329 Mayo, replying to Mayo, 12, #712 of 751 🔗

Interesting article

https://mises.org/wire/what-weve-learned-israels-covid-vaccine-program

This uses Israeli data to take a look at Pfizer vaccine efficacy through the other end of the telescope, i.e. rather than considering the relative death rates the author looks at Survival rates.

The bottom line is that 26k people need to be vaccinated to save one life.. At $20 a shot ($40 for 2) the cost per life saved is over $1 million.

Clearly vaccinating the whole population is lunacy. I’m not sure how the AZ vaccine would compare.

451334 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mayo, 2, #713 of 751 🔗

That’s the reasoning why we no longer have the BCG vaccine coverage that we used to in the UK.

451336 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Mayo, 4, #714 of 751 🔗

“Clearly vaccinating the whole population is lunacy.”

You can only know that if you know what the goal of the injections is.

451356 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to rockoman, 3, #715 of 751 🔗

It’s incredibly profitable for some. Arguably, they are not the lunatics, they’re just greedy manipulative c#@ts. The lunatics are the masses going along with it.

451338 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mayo, 9, #716 of 751 🔗

Vaccinating healthy people as we move into the seasonal decline of such viruses is just another waste of resources on a monumental scale.

Unless it’s because its a clinical trial and it’s not about testing how well they work per say, just how many people die using this new mRNA technology

451339 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mayo, 3, #717 of 751 🔗

An yet the official position is that the efficacy of the so called vaccine is ninety-five percent.

451370 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Steve Hayes, #718 of 751 🔗

Judged on what criteria?

451381 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Annie, #719 of 751 🔗

An in truth statistically irrelevant and heavily manipulated trial series.

451401 ▶▶▶ houdini, replying to Steve Hayes, #720 of 751 🔗

It’s now 110%

451363 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 4, #721 of 751 🔗

The term ‘relative’ before ‘death rates’ is the give-away.

Note how the narrative has avoided the real measure of absolute risk – because it is the really indicative measure, and is highly unimpressive.

451383 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to RickH, #722 of 751 🔗

Absolutely.
As confirmed by the recent analysis of the Israeli data by a doctor at achgut.com.

451380 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mayo, 5, #723 of 751 🔗

If one of the 26k dies through the vaccine, normal ratio is 1 in 1k…, that changes to 52k, and so on.
If one person gets cancer, leukemia etc. through the vaccine, that cost rises to 2 million.
The more anyone with an IQ above 50 looks at this, the more it stinks and ceases to make any sense at all.

451330 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #724 of 751 🔗

According to both govt and SAGE (if indeed they are not now one and the same entity) the R number no longer matters, and is not a factor in the lifting or otherwise of lockdown.

This is surely the same as saying that case numbers don’t matter, since R is a measure of how quickly the virus spreads and cases will increase.

But yet we must remain in lockdown until summer at the earliest, get 100% of all humans on earth jabbed with an emergency use experimental vaccine, potentially show vaccine passports to be able to participate in normal human life and, worst of all, educate our children in a masked, sanitised, and socially distanced dystopia – because we need to keep the case numbers down?!

I know Boris & co. haven’t exactly specialised in logic over the last 12 months, but they’ve really outdone themselves on this one I feel.

451342 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #725 of 751 🔗

And we are paying for it. Through taxes, our jobs, our access to health services, our free time.

Da fuk

451358 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #726 of 751 🔗

R number alone mean nothing they need to be put into context with fatality rate. The common cold has a high R rate but isn’t fatal.

451368 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #727 of 751 🔗

‘R’ in practise is simply another theoretical variable from the modellers’ computer games world of the imagination.

451399 ▶▶ houdini, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #728 of 751 🔗

None of it ever mattered as the figures and criteria have been manipulated from the outset in order to fit the narrative.
R rate ,claimed deaths ,alleged cases are just one facet of the propaganda and psychological warfare against us.

451331 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #729 of 751 🔗

Given the mood music of the last week re 1% pay rises and the inevitability of domestic vaccine passports in the workplace I’d be a bit worried if I was an MP.

451347 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #730 of 751 🔗

I’d prefer it if they was scared to death, but ‘a bit worried’ will do for now.

451361 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #731 of 751 🔗

The population are talking about the relative merits of a 1% pay rise.

I’d be talking about lining them up against a wall.

So I think they’ve done pretty well all things considered.

451398 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Tee Ell, #732 of 751 🔗

Look, if the Bank of England just presses a few computer keys in the right order, then everyone can have a 100% pay rise.

….and stay at home.

Bring it on.

451422 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to rockoman, #733 of 751 🔗

“….and stay at home.”

Apart from the farmers, food factory workers, delivery drivers, (so called essential) shop workers, gas network workers, electricity/water supply workes, waste collection operatives……..

451350 Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 1, #734 of 751 🔗

This tweet links to an interesting article on the possible origins of SARS-C0V-2. Natural or lab origin?

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1368548915499433989

451379 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Freecumbria, #735 of 751 🔗

There’s no way it’s natural.

451384 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to leggy, 2, #736 of 751 🔗

Why not? The only strange thing about it is the government response to it

451393 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to stewart, #737 of 751 🔗

Agreed.

451390 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, 1, #738 of 751 🔗

Whatever ‘it’ is, it doesn’t seem to have disturbed the good people of Belarus.

They seem to be proceeding as if either ‘it’ doesn’t exist or as if ‘it’ is nothing special.

Denis Rancourt makes the excellent point that it doesn’t matter whether or not SarsCov-2 really exists or whether it has been isolated or not.

These things don’t matter because there are always a number of respiratory viruses around and because any ‘ covid death rate’ is statistical noise, and impossible to attribute to any particular virus.

451418 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to leggy, 1, #739 of 751 🔗

What makes you so sure it isn’t natural?

I’ve been agnostic about natural or lab based origins. Either way it’s the response that has been the problem. But it’s still interesting to ask the question. It’s not something most scientists would want to go anywhere near.

The article pushes the needle towards lab based origin (accidental or deliberate release). But I don’t have the understanding to evaluate the points made in the article

451421 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to leggy, #740 of 751 🔗

Of course ‘it’ hasn’t been isolated.

451357 Silke David, 2, #741 of 751 🔗

I wonder if all the different news reports about different studies on coming to vastly different effectiveness results of the vaccine make people think about it.
Just the different headlines coming from Israel about this study says 54% (pulled the number of my hat, not that is matters), or another one 87%, the third gives a different number.
Almost every day there is a headline about immunity promised, I hope it does make people investigate it more.

451367 sam s.j., 1, #742 of 751 🔗

https://gmwatch.org/en/news/latest-news/19709%20

think is about the evil gates vaccines

451385 RickH, 2, #743 of 751 🔗

Came across a fascinating extract about the early development of gene therapy today, in the broadcast of The Gene” by Siddhartha Mukherjee – Radio 4 Extra : 14:00 to-day.

The relevant section can be picked up at 53:30, and is a vivid illustration of why insufficiently tested vaccine therapies should be avoided. The case study is well worth quoting, even though things have moved on.

451392 Victoria, 8, #744 of 751 🔗

Don’t worry, there is an exit plan.

It just involves forcing kids to wear masks in school, telling healthy kids they are ill, testing healthy kids, setting up a system of apartheid for the non-vaccinated, invading medical privacy and forcing experimental vaccines on kids.

https://twitter.com/LPerrins/status/1368316827001094145

451396 Freecumbria, 1, #745 of 751 🔗

Attached is a chart of covid labelled English hospital deaths.

The interesting thing is that in Spring 2020, the growth rate of covid labelled deaths started reducing from about 15th March 2020. Realistically this can only have occurred through seasonality and immunity combined.

Currently the chart goes up to 1st March (because it’s based on a 7 day average around the date). But we are approaching 15th March 2021. Given that immunity must be higher now than in 2020 this, I would suggest, should mean that seasonality and immunity will keep the growth rate negative. So covid labelled deaths should continue to fall as we head into Summer.

This ignores any positive or negative affect of vaccinations on covid labelled deaths.

451400 Victoria, 2, #746 of 751 🔗

456 U.K. deaths so far immediately after having ‘vaccines’

MHRA has received 212 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 244 reports for the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1368562343500800001

451403 dorset dumpling, replying to dorset dumpling, 1, #747 of 751 🔗

I’m having trouble persuading a forum poster elsewhere that the virus is seasonal like most other respiratory viruses. Is anyone able to point me to a basic explanation as most of those I have found are rather complex!

Thanks in advance.

451407 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dorset dumpling, 2, #748 of 751 🔗

Check Ivor Cummins explanations of seasonality in recent videos. He references Gompertz Curves and the theoretical underpinning of the them.

451416 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Victoria, 4, #750 of 751 🔗

She obviously thought she was being really clever too!

451414 Annie, 6, #751 of 751 🔗

There was a porpoise just offshore this morning while I was singing Matins.
He (or she) was an inspiring sight. After all, if St Anthony could preach to the fishes, I don’t see why I shouldn’t sing to a porpoise.
And there’s nothing more bracing, in these hard times, than finding a sense of porpoise.
Glory be to God for marine mammals.

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