Last updated2021-03-08T11:28:50



452046 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 6, #1 of 930 🔗

Good morrning!

452048 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Liewe, 16, #2 of 930 🔗

The updates are getting earlier by the day.

Good to see, contrary to some fears, we still have the BTL comments section.

452072 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to Richy_m_99, 39, #3 of 930 🔗

If it wasn’t for BTL, a lot of us wouldn’t come here.

452095 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Annie, 17, #4 of 930 🔗

ATL has become just a regurgitation of numerous MSM articles.

452223 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sandra Barwick, replying to jonathan Palmer, 31, #5 of 930 🔗

They’re not on salaries to do this… Young etc have been fantastic doing it for a whole year. We should be researching and writing ourselves if we want more original stuff.

452338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Sandra Barwick, 7, #6 of 930 🔗

Yes indeed.

By contrast, ghastly people like the Head of NHS Providers are on large salaries. His tweets are nauseating.

People with principles tend not to prosper in large organisations. They’re likely to become whistle-blowers or just leave the place.

452505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to John001, 10, #7 of 930 🔗

Unlike Toby or James Delingpole

452434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Sandra Barwick, 3, #8 of 930 🔗

XR also operate a lot of volunteer activism – as do cancel culture vultures.
I don’t see that there has to be any personal praise or blame in addressing the nature of the content ATL.
Birds of a feather flock together. So in my view the positioning IN the establishment MUST operate some form of captured opposition because it cannot and will not raise to question anything that seriously threatens its own protected status.

I may also add that it is inconceivable to me that any such movement of dissent or critical challenge to a narrative dictate leveraging global economic, social and biological structure would not be closely watched and nudged, including infiltrations or disinformational engagement.

My own responsibility is my discernment of truth, not judgement of the personae involved.
I’m happy to offer my own perspectives BTL as I feel moved. Very few want, care for or understand ‘original stuff’. They want ammo and reinforcement for their currently active sense of self and world.

Asking questions for presumed facts or ‘settled’ science seems original because it is alive rather than groupthink. Asking reasoned questions of the very root premise of these shenanigans is met by aggressive denials and ad-hom put-down. It seems safer to attack side effects in the long grass or even main issues in the frame of unquestioned (unquestionable) narrative assertions – such as the claim of a deadly contagious pandemic.

The bandwagon effect means that once the bait is taken, the reactions run their course. But it is the ‘defences’ we suffer – not the imagined or modelled fears given funding, energy and attention.

‘Post truth’ runs the cynical observation that stories and lies operate the human social identity. This can ONLY operate a destructive ‘Economy’ (sic), society and future (?).

There is no love in it, no joy or peace, no true life shared.
Who thinks these qualities are mere illusion has yet to wake to the account of their denial and loss.

Love of truth is the basis for ‘workability’. Life and Universe are predicted to ‘work’ as an integral coherence but human ignorance and arrogance thinks to possess and control as if a thing set over and apart. Like a mind-virus of hijack and replication of distance, lockdown and masking off from Life.

452187 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Annie, 11, #9 of 930 🔗

me too. I scrolled down in slight fear the comments section would not be here anymore.

452461 ▶▶▶▶▶ rose, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #10 of 930 🔗

So did I. In a panic

452659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to rose, #11 of 930 🔗

good to see everyone here. I did have a look at the forums last night-something I don’t normally do- interesting stuff there but didn’t recognise any familiar names.

452105 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Liewe, 3, #12 of 930 🔗

Good morning! Does 7.06 Count?

452047 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #13 of 930 🔗

Swiss vote to ban face coverings in public


452049 ▶▶ Richy_m_99, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #14 of 930 🔗

But apparently masks worn for health reasons excluded.

452050 ▶▶▶ Liewe, replying to Richy_m_99, 35, #15 of 930 🔗

Ha Ha!! Buttering bread on both sides….. Wearing a mask for religious reasons is prohibited, but for medical reasons they are mandated. The mental gymnastics astonishes me.

452094 ▶▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Liewe, 14, #16 of 930 🔗

Doublethink.The act of holding 2 contradictory thoughts in your head without acknowledging it.

452241 ▶▶▶▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to jonathan Palmer, 4, #17 of 930 🔗

Cognitive dissonance!

452315 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Liewe, -3, #18 of 930 🔗

Pure racism. Nothing else.
Proven by simply considering this during a time of a mask mandate.
The Swiss have now lost it completely.
Wilhelm Tell Was already rotating in his grave since a year now.

452871 ▶▶▶▶▶ J4mes, replying to JayBee, 3, #19 of 930 🔗

How can you be racist towards a religion?

452329 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Liewe, #20 of 930 🔗

Not to mention carnival, when the Swiss dress up as Sheiks, Hulks or Apes…..

452051 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Richy_m_99, 10, #21 of 930 🔗

Health reasons or political control reasons?

452190 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Richy_m_99, #22 of 930 🔗

that’s a moot point especially if you wear one outside when it’s raining!

452508 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Richy_m_99, 14, #23 of 930 🔗

Thats different because reasons!

452547 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richy_m_99, 2, #24 of 930 🔗

Yeah that’s really odd. So those women who used the wear the niqab would just switch to face masks instead.

452064 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Lucan Grey, 23, #25 of 930 🔗

I always opposed banning veils as I think people should be free to choose. I oppose masks for the same reason.

452184 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #26 of 930 🔗

I think you mean “I oppose mask mandates for the same reason”.

452207 ▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to GCarty80, 5, #27 of 930 🔗

It is clear from the comments sections in the Swiss press that at least some people voted in favour ‘tactically’ (and maybe symbolically) against mask mandates, and not in favour of any ban on hiqabs. Probably, enough to have swung a fairly close result.

The wording of the people’s initiative (as opposed to a referendum, which are called to oppose an already proposed law) was specifically to ban covering one’s face (Verhulling). As this will now have to be written into the constitution, some are hoping that this will make it more difficult to impose any future long-term mask mandate. Whether they are right or not, remains to be seen. And hopefully, no one wants to impose a long-term mask mandate anyway.

To be clear, I am absolutely against telling people what they should or should not wear, hiqabs or muzzles. Much better to live and let live, but that is not where we seem to be.

452384 ▶▶▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to JanMasarykMunich, #28 of 930 🔗

No such word as “hiqab”.

The Muslim face veil is “niqab”, while “hijab” strictly speaking refers to the Islamic modest dress code in general, but is often loosely used to refer to a scarf covering the hair and neck but not the face.

452397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to GCarty80, 1, #29 of 930 🔗

Sorry, Thanks for correction.

452472 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #30 of 930 🔗

Some people are butt ugly tho and the mask can be a blessing

452682 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #31 of 930 🔗

Agreed. I don’t like seeing women with their faces covered for religious reasons, but it’s their choice up to a point, though probably truer to say that it’s imposed by the culture to which they belong. Just because I don’t like something doesn’t mean that I think it should be banned.

452052 Liewe, replying to Liewe, 23, #32 of 930 🔗

On the vaccination/passport: This kind of system will create global divisions between developed and undeveloped countries as roll out of vaccines is very slow in countries which don’t have magic money trees. These countries will also not be able to keep up with the chronic re-vaccination/testing needed to satisfy the Nanny states. I suppose it is one way of building a wall.

452062 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Liewe, 72, #33 of 930 🔗

Of course you are right that this notion of vaccine passports will create divisions and perhaps it’s a feature rather than a bug. Children, pregnant women, people from developing countries, and of course those of us who for whatever reason will refuse it will all be marginalized.

The vaccine passport is medical apartheid and I will call it that every single time, just as I refer to the experimental gene therapy and refuse to call it a “vaccine.” Words matter, and if it makes people cringe to hear this harsh terminology then I say GOOD. Let’s not tread lightly around people who are advocating for this and let’s ask them point blank whether they are in favour of medical apartheid. They need to own it and I want to hear them say the words.

452063 ▶▶ SilentP, replying to Liewe, 23, #34 of 930 🔗

There was a discussion on here yesterday about the most appropriate terminology to adopt for the so-called ‘vaccine passports’.

For me, the best suggestions were Coronavirus Compliance Permit or simply Compliance Permit

452068 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to SilentP, 5, #35 of 930 🔗

Or The Grovel?

452084 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to SilentP, 20, #36 of 930 🔗

Agree with Lisa, the harsher the better. Medical apartheid papers? Eugenics compliance pass? Pro Forma death certificate?
As for the experimental jab, I always use unlicensed in my description as many people think that it is.

452099 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to SilentP, 9, #37 of 930 🔗

Someone suggested something like Apartheid Pass yesterday.

452438 ▶▶▶▶ Dobba, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #38 of 930 🔗

Think that was me, Apratheid Pass/Permit/Papers. No point sugar coating it. 🙂

452122 ▶▶▶ SilentP, replying to SilentP, 1, #39 of 930 🔗

I did not copy my original post from yesterday onto here. Was looking for a term that could be generally adopted by LS and others – with appropriate negative connotations but deliberately not so provocative that it only asks to be criticised

452201 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to SilentP, 6, #40 of 930 🔗

If I have to carry a vaccine passport I will wear a badge stating something like “HIV status is private”.

452179 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liewe, 6, #41 of 930 🔗

Good point. They expect mass migration due to climate change, so maybe this is a way of setting up infrastructure to control it.

452385 ▶▶▶ GCarty80, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #42 of 930 🔗

Would a desire to end international tourism (and thus the CO2 emissions associated with mass air travel) be a likely unspoken motivation for the zero covid gang?

452478 ▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to GCarty80, 6, #43 of 930 🔗

I don’t think many people realise yet that they’ve already had their last international holiday. The airlines have probably got the message though – they’ve gone ominously quiet haven’t they?

452552 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GCarty80, 4, #44 of 930 🔗

Many people have long wanted a return to the bad old days when international travel was only for the mega rich, politicians, royals and celebs. The green issue was a smokescreen.

It’s also to put us plebs back in our place.

452230 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Liewe, 5, #45 of 930 🔗

Hopefully it means that those of us who don’t want the vaccine can go on holiday to those countries that don’t have the vaccine?
Any country that relies on tourism is going to have to think of a way of attracting visitors back!

452476 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to SweetBabyCheeses, 3, #46 of 930 🔗

I think the problem will be getting on a plane – not the destination

452699 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #47 of 930 🔗

Maybe the countries that have national airlines will be okay if their governments tell them to allow unvaccinated travellers?

452053 Allen, replying to Allen, 116, #48 of 930 🔗

Step One- Understand who the “They” is.

Step Two- Understand their motives.

There is not now nor has there ever been an epidemiological or viral emergency event of
any sort anywhere in the world in the year 2020.

The manufactured perception that there was such an event is an artifact of mass media manipulation, behavioral conditioning techniques and social engineering. All of this made possible through institutional programming and accelerated media messaging disallowing basic cognitive processes and eliminating critical thinking possibilities.

What we are in the midst of is a planned total economic collapse. This economic collapse was inevitable, Western governments are putting the security infrastructure into place, trying to proactively control the inevitable social disorder which will result from this collapse. To be followed by a global financial reset, after a period of hyperinflation, which destroys both the value of debt and the corresponding paper claims.

The collapse started in 2008 and attempts to salvage this corrupt economic system only delayed the inevitable. In the Fall of 2019 the crisis began to rapidly unravel again.

There was a dramatic decrease in industrial production which showed up in the banking crisis of August of 2019- the so-called Repo crisis when suddenly banks started to refuse US sovereign debt instruments as collateral of overnight loans forcing the Federal Reserve to step in and basically print money to cover this massive shortage.

The Repo market is where banks borrow money each day so that they have 10% liquid assets at the end of each day. If they do not have 10% liquid assets they are not allowed to open the next day. Around the middle of September the Fed started pumping $20 billion per day into the Repo market to keep interest rates down so banks could borrow the money to stay in business. By the end of December the Fed was pumping over $100 billion per day into the Repo market and it was not enough.

Simply everyone on Wall Street was loaded with enormous debt and was holding on to US cash to be able to service it refusing to finance purchases of foreign currencies and then US currency as Repo Market froze at 10% interest on overnight Repo loans as US treasury bonds and even US bills were rejected as collateral for Repos.

In fact what happen in March 2020 was just the spread of the liquidity crisis from primary dealers markets (TBTF banks and Hedge funds were actually bailed out in September) toward all other stock, commodities, bonds CLOs, MBS etc, as well to Ponzi schemes called today ETF funds, not to mention structured derivative products traded on proprietary platforms nominally representing up to several thousands of $$$ trillions.

When US treasury bonds and even USTB became illiquid due to exponential growth of public (but most of all private) dollar debt while the FED was sucking up cash from financial markets by tempering QE (called QT ) between 2017 and 2019 reduced FED balance sheet from over $5 T to $3.9T by selling assets, all hell broke loose. Something drastic had to be done.

And hence the FED started to “buy all worthless shit for double the price”, Gates’s and Silicon Valley oligarchic gang took over the media, and Orwellian shrinks and doctor Fauci-Mengeles came to the “rescue” unleashing operation COVID.

COVID phenomenon cannot be understood without understanding the un-televised 2019-2020 unprecedented financial collapse threatening the entire global financial system. The COVID fraud timing became necessary as the world markets were faced with an emergency debt crisis that popped up in formerly mostly liquid markets: Repo markets, money markets and FX markets.

The entire House of Cards was falling for six months and could not be stopped so COVID hysteria was manufactured to cover up what amounts today to $11 trillion of FED bailout in cash, stock boost via POMO and guarantees of value of collateral used in structured derivatives.

The end game is that the central banks (Fed) will buy all the toxic, worthless debt from the hedge funds and banks, including the 1.5 quad trillion of derivatives, and then transfer the debt to the treasury as sovereign debt. Then print money to infinity to service the fictitious debt to sink the dollar via hyperinflation and then foreclose on the US and everyone else holding debt in worthless dollars.

That’s the coup.There will be global hyperinflation to vaporize the assets of the masses and the states. As soon as the ruling class mops up the last properties. What this means is the ruling class have limitless claims on everything in the world.

These governments know full well that “Covid” is being used as cover for crashing the economies in the Western world. There is not now and never has been a “pandemic”- that is all Kabuki theater to disguise the reality of the rapid economic decline brought on by the Ponzi Schemes of financial institutions over the the past few decades.

452058 ▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Allen, 21, #49 of 930 🔗

People must understand that around 97% of all money is created out of thin air. This is unsustainable, especially given the eye-watering amounts governments are continually spending. I agree, collapse is inevitable. Even the BBC now admit this.

452124 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Hugh_Manity, 16, #50 of 930 🔗

All money has always been created out of thin air. Gold is only of value because you believe it’s of value, in the same way a £ is only worth value if you believe it has a value. It’s not money that loses intrinsic value it’s belief by people like us in that value.

452155 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to NickR, 10, #51 of 930 🔗

Surely there is more to it than that. Real wealth consists of items and technologies which deliver better standards of living. This wealth can be represented by tokens, ie money, but the money is always just a token of wealth. This is simplistic, but it is an attempt to develop the discussion.

452231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sandra Barwick, replying to Basileus, 1, #52 of 930 🔗

The site can’t afford subs. It still does better than the Guardian on literals.

452694 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Basileus, #53 of 930 🔗

Money or currency is several related things. I used to make that point in the debate about the euro. It’s a medium of exchange (more convenient and flexible than barter, such as “I’ll fix your plumbing and you can give me some vegetables from your garden”), a store of value (because it gives me options to exchange it for whatever I may want in the future), and at the state level it’s an instrument of economic policy (aiming to achieve desired outcomes by adjusting the supply of money). When I was about 10 years old I discussed with a pal “Why doesn’t the government just print lots of pound notes, then we’d all be rich?” The example of Weimar Germany and others shows the flaw in that argument.

452060 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Allen, 7, #54 of 930 🔗

Just wanted to complement this all-time great comment.

452069 ▶▶▶ Annie, replying to awildgoose, 8, #55 of 930 🔗

You mean ‘compliment the writer’.

452130 ▶▶▶▶ LS99, replying to Annie, 6, #56 of 930 🔗

Did you notice the “their” instead of “they’re” ATL? When I saw it, I thought Annie won’t like that!

452780 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to awildgoose, #57 of 930 🔗

Copy paste from a recent offguardian article….

452897 ▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to JayBee, 1, #58 of 930 🔗

Same person. Maxwell is my user name at OG.

Stay focused.

452162 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Allen, 2, #59 of 930 🔗


452181 ▶▶ BertieFox, replying to Allen, #60 of 930 🔗

Brilliant explanation! Thank you!!

452247 ▶▶ Suet, replying to Allen, 3, #61 of 930 🔗

So how did ‘they’ get the Chinese to kick it all off?

452357 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Suet, 4, #62 of 930 🔗

Because China too recognizes the inevitability of it all, which is why the have stacked gold since 1983.

452516 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Suet, 1, #63 of 930 🔗

China + Russia have been buying gold like mad since 2008

452648 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Suet, 3, #64 of 930 🔗

The Chinese did not kick it all off. That is a fiction of certain factions of the Western controlled media. Look again at the timeline of how this began dating back to Fall 2019. This isn’t to say that China did not have a role but it is nominal.

Understand that a US $ crash would weaken both US foreign policy and Chinese finances. US and China’s interests are currently entirely aligned. If Europeans were more clever they would not have adopted lockdowns. The EU is run by sold out bureaucrats who are unable to think let alone save the EU if that’s their intent- which it isn’t.

China owns more, some say much more than 1 TRILLION $$ in US Treasury Bonds. China also wants to save the $. That’s why China has worked in lockstep with Wall Street to help facilitate a pandemic response to distract from the debt crisis of $ and allow massive amounts of further $ QE.

Every Western War, every pandemic response, in the West, is about one thing only: saving the $.

The emperor has no clothes but they don’t want us to see this as we would rise up against them. So, just before the collapse, they rise up against us but we are unawares. We’re like children in school not knowing that the teachers have suddenly changed into psycho killers.

Why are they doing it? To save the $ by rebranding it as the Federal Reserve backed digital $.

Digital currency reset. Hyper inflation is a few months away and many people will lose most if not all of their pensions and savings. After mass civil unrest and looting, people will be begging for a new currency. That is why this scamdemic was hatched.

That is if this allowed to go on.

452689 ▶▶▶▶ gipsy2222, replying to Allen, #65 of 930 🔗

If you are correct, is there any way to protect my savings/pension? What would you recommend? or should I just go on a mad spending spree like a lottery winner?

452744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to gipsy2222, 1, #66 of 930 🔗

Diversify your assets, Have Property, Land, gold/silver. Art, but don’t do it on credit.

452901 ▶▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to gipsy2222, #67 of 930 🔗

Tangible things. Land and soil, small livestock if you can.

Stay away from bitcoin, art, gold/silver and any investments.

452282 ▶▶ jos, replying to Allen, 8, #68 of 930 🔗

Brilliant and the clearest explanation of the nonsense going on. I never thought that ‘covid’ was anything more than seasonal flu but what about the vaccines roll-out and the billions spent on them? Are they just saline solution or is this an opportunistic attempt to trial real mRNA jabs on an unsuspecting public? If the latter is the case, they will never let this come out because of the massive civil unrest that would ensue so it has to be repackaged as a totalitarian takeover. And talking of the billionaires hoovering up the world’s assets, would their combined wealth save the banking system? What can we do – are we inevitably going to lose our homes / property or will we be ‘allowed’ to live in them till we die?

452340 ▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to jos, 5, #69 of 930 🔗

That’s seemingly where the UBI comes in – you will be bailed out, but in return you will give up all you own.

452367 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Bigade, 8, #70 of 930 🔗

But ‘give up’ in what sense? There are enough homes in this country for everyone to continue living where they live and all homeless people to be housed in the unoccupied homes kept empty by the uber rich so presumably the easiest thing would be to let people go on living where they already are? I just want to understand the ‘banality of evil’ as in what the world for us serfs will actually look like. This crap about ‘You will own nothing- you’ll hire stuff’ doesn’t make sense if you already own stuff and don’t need anything but food.

452392 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bigade, replying to jos, 4, #71 of 930 🔗

If you’re wiped out financially, whether you own your home or not, if your pension or income or whatever disappears, then what do you live on? UBI. Paid in credits presumably. But in return you forfeit your ownership rights to whereever you live. You may still be allowed to live in it, but no longer own it…..

452839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Bigade, 1, #72 of 930 🔗

Visions of us all trying to figure out when we were literally at deaths door – in order to send our houses up in flames JUST JUST before we no longer needed them to live in ourselves – “Steal that off me you wotnames if you can – and get a heap of charred ashes”.

452908 ▶▶▶ Allen, replying to jos, #73 of 930 🔗

These are real mRNA jabs for the most part. Hence the enormous damages being done.

None of these machinations are a fait accompli.

The banking system is not salvageable- it literally rests on a bed of air.

453028 ▶▶ Elisabeth, replying to Allen, #74 of 930 🔗

I wish I understood all this…

452054 Apache, replying to Apache, 20, #75 of 930 🔗

I wonder if my recent experience is anything to go by whether there is going to be an almighty mess when it comes to second ‘jabs’.

I received an invitation on 20 Feb to arrange an appointment for the jab. Yesterday the NHS website was offering appointments 3 weeks hence 52 miles from my home. The second jab was available at the same site or nearer sometime in June. I must have accepted these but it allowed me to make the booking without inputting any contact details. I neglected to note the booking reference. I am unable to cancel or change these appointments without the reference. 119 must have access to exactly the same website as they can do nothing without the reference. Their suggestion was to allow the booking to pass and to rebook.

Anecdotally my wife’s colleagues have been to the same centre on different dates and received both Pfizer and AZ. How will they ever co-ordinate the 2nd jab to be the same brand when the availability changes on a daily basis. This will get even worse when Moderna is available. Another example of it all not being how it seems in Hancock’s world.

452057 ▶▶ awildgoose, replying to Apache, 6, #76 of 930 🔗

This will get even worse when Moderna is available.

But what about all the variants?

I mean, we can’t expect the bog standard vax to cover all the freaky, exotic variants from SA, Brazil, and Kent, can we?

452166 ▶▶ stalfie, replying to Apache, 10, #77 of 930 🔗

I have several old uni pals, recently retired dentists ,doing unpaid voluntary vax at different centres around the country. They all report lots of no-shows and tipping leftover vials away each day. There is little effort to recruit walk-ins. Yet my friends in Greece tell me there, police are offered the unused doses each day.
The NHS has ever been a wasteful unjoined up juggernaut. If there was a sticker on each box of vax with the cost to the NHS on it , perhaps the admins might make more effort to not waste resources.

452173 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to stalfie, 9, #78 of 930 🔗

Great idea lets get the police having adverse reactions….would anyone sympathise….I wouldn’t!

452342 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to stalfie, 7, #79 of 930 🔗

Just hope these ‘tipping leftover vials’ do not get into the water supply

452391 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 8, #80 of 930 🔗

Yes really…what might this do? Nobody has any idea at all do they?

What about human sewage? With people emitting new genetic materiel, how will this interact with the environment.
Nobody knows do they?

Fingers crossed the new genetic material, never been seen before on the planet will do nothing.
Touch wood.

452507 ▶▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to stalfie, #81 of 930 🔗

In Worcester the CEO of the County Council was given a shot which otherwise would have been thrown out and there was a lot of tut tutting about it (the centre is at County Hall).

452056 awildgoose, replying to awildgoose, 25, #82 of 930 🔗

Teachers and their unions the world over just love, love, love their permanent paid vacations!

When school children start paying union dues, that ‘s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.

Albert Shanker

452167 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to awildgoose, 15, #83 of 930 🔗

I am waiting for the next communication from my union. If they do not support a return to school 100% then I will resign my membership.

452176 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Basileus, 3, #84 of 930 🔗

Better get the letter drafted!

452177 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Boris Bullshit, 2, #85 of 930 🔗

It will be brief.

452841 ▶▶▶▶▶ ElizaP, replying to Basileus, #86 of 930 🔗

Now which flavour of stuffing would you be recommending in that letter? Pure sage and onion to use for stuffing things is a tad boring LOL….

452300 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Basileus, #87 of 930 🔗

Basileus what do most of your pupils think of all this?

452356 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Andrew K, 1, #88 of 930 🔗

One or two seem prepared to acknowledge the scam, but most don’t. My view is that it all depends on what their parents say or think.

452336 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 6, #89 of 930 🔗

Resign and join the Workers of England Union https://www.workersofengland.co.uk – they are an affiliate of the Free Speech Union.

452358 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Victoria, 1, #90 of 930 🔗

Thank you.

452527 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, #91 of 930 🔗

Affinity are pretty good too

Completely independent from the toxic TUC


452059 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 65, #92 of 930 🔗

Perhaps I’m tired as it’s late here, but does Guy de la Bedoyere not claim his position on vaccine passports has been mischaracterized and then go on to argue that they may be the only way to end government overreach? And how is it he has no opinion and is neither for nor against? This is not an issue about which one can be wishy washy — maybe the Nuremberg Code only applies sometimes? He seems more offended by being challenged by an “anonymous academic” than by the notion of forced medical experimentation.

I found it very patronizing coming from someone who has chosen to become a human guinea pig (which is his right) to tell the rest of us to calm down and not get our knickers in a knot until vaccine passports become a reality. They’re right around the corner FFS.

452065 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 20, #93 of 930 🔗

The man still thinks we have democratically elected governance. To say he’s deluded, would be a kindness, that’s if he’s not being downright disingenuous.

452085 ▶▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Jinks, 27, #94 of 930 🔗

Hitchens has the same delusion.Hes still waiting for a public enquiry.Maybe they have put something in the vaccine that destroys critical thinking.

452091 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to jonathan Palmer, 53, #95 of 930 🔗

No sane, rational, person, would ever allow themselves to be injected, with an under-tested, experimental biological agent, which is authorised for emergency use, for those at severe risk (though the only risk I see, is the forthcoming world-wide bio-security corporo-fascist prison), and all for the small possibility, you somehow, might be allowed to again enjoy those things, which up until now, would have been inalienable rights.

452186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Jinks, 15, #96 of 930 🔗

Got it in a nutshell…my position exactly. Yet I hear this reason trotted out all the time by those who have had the ‘vaccine’. Two clients of mine last week had it and both had very bad reactions for several days…terrible headaches ,confined to bed, relentless shivering etc. Yet they both say they are glad they had it as they now wont have to spend 6 months with covid. They are both in their 50s and healthy and had no problems before having the jab.

452196 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Boris Bullshit, 8, #97 of 930 🔗

Whether immediate, or over time, the genocide will become apparent, even to the poor wretches who swallowed the kool-aid.

452265 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #98 of 930 🔗

And goodness knows what medical conditions they will develop in the future, months – but more probably several years down the line – that they would never have done without the experimental gene therapy. Highest risk appears to be an autoimmune condition.

452640 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to ShropshireLass, #99 of 930 🔗

Yes they seem very short term in their thinking. By the way they are both shropshire residents as am I! Where in shropshire are you? I am in ironbridge.

452197 ▶▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Jinks, 8, #100 of 930 🔗

An experimental biological still in trial. Minimal safety and efficacy data. VAERS cdc adverse event records are looking more and more disturbing. May want to take a look.

452246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sandra Barwick, replying to Jinks, 6, #101 of 930 🔗

We shouldn’t blame those bullied and deliberately misinformed by Government and NHS, separated from other people, frightened out of their wits, by psy ops led by a wealthy Communist though. The fault lies entirely with those they trust.

452395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Sandra Barwick, 5, #102 of 930 🔗

I used to say that, when I was laying on the floor, with my face busted, blood dripping, whilst my ex stuck the boot in. But I fixed up for my kids, because the harm being done to them was more important than the pathetic excuses I made for him!

452180 ▶▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to jonathan Palmer, 20, #103 of 930 🔗

Its very sad what has happened to Hitchens…I thought he looked very defeatist on the last Mike Graham interview. Maybe his ill fated ‘writing to MP’s’ strategy has permanently damaged him. I think much of the problem is that his understanding of the tyranny was so shallow to begin with (much as I admire his principled early opposition) and was limited to ‘good people making terrible mistakes’. When I heard him saying things like that a couple of months ago on a spiked podcast interview I knew he had lost it and began to see him as part of the problem rather than the solution. Sure enough soon after he capitulates.

452203 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Boris Bullshit, 5, #104 of 930 🔗

His absurd, illogical stance on proper drug legislation, decriminalisation, and trying to connect cannabis use, to violent crime, and mental illness, and denying any possible medical benefit, whilst decrying any measures which would resolve it, put me off him years ago.

452703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jinks, #105 of 930 🔗

Yep. He took part in a debate here a decade or two ago, along with Norman Baker and a couple of others. As I recall, a close relative or friend had had a bad time with cannabis, and his response was a blanket condemnation.

452291 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to jonathan Palmer, 12, #106 of 930 🔗

Yeah, public enquiry on how quickly these scumbags can get their Knighthoods for the exemptional services to the country. There will never be a reckoning for this . There was never any proper one for the wars in Iraq and the clusterfuck in Afghanistan. BTW , off topic but has anybody saw the BBC documentary Afghanistan: Lions Last Roar? about the disaster that was that campaign. I was send a DVD by an old friend of mine because in one scene he said he clearly hears my voice swearing while in a gunfight. I checked the scene …and yes, that is me , you can see me briefly looking at the camera while reloading my gun. Funny, I completely forgot that there was a camera there at the moment. My wife said I look very skinny and tired..Funny how you brains erases certain memories.

452100 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 31, #107 of 930 🔗

Was thinking exactly the same Lisa when reading it! Also love your comment above. Vaccine apartheid is what it is, and I will be joining you in calling it out as such if they come in. My body, my choice! Would rather catch Covid and trust my own immune system. May already have the necessary antibodies and t-cells to recover naturally. Happy to stay at home if ill and not use NHS services at all. Will even sign something to that effect if needed.

452275 ▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Nicky, 15, #108 of 930 🔗

I caught it in December 2019 whilst working with some researchers who had just arrived from China. Thought at the time -ooh this is a weird virus, never had anything like this before. Symptoms were as described (dry cough in throat, mild fever, headache, loss of taste and smell) but much milder than many common colds I have experienced in the past – apart from half a day spent sitting down reading I carried on working through it – as did the other researchers!

452288 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to ShropshireLass, 4, #109 of 930 🔗

It made my child extremely ragingly sick for 2 miserable days, with the sort of classic symptoms that would have a modern day patent rushing out from some antibiotics. The rest of us got the sniffles, and then I got long covid before 2019 was even over. (Didn’t know what any of it was at that time).

Dragged on for months (breathlessness, tachycardia, pleurisy type pains, night sweats, hair loss on a massive scale), and I gained so much weight as it made me very insulin resistant. BUT I swear I have emerged healthier from it. And now I have a handy early warning system when new strains are circulating. I get a couple of night sweats, a pain in my ribs, spot of breathlessness and some deep tiredness, and I know I’ll be hearing about a new strain soon. And we do!!!

The cure? Lysine and Quercetin and it fixed within 48 hours. This is in no way comparable to glandular fever or childbirth for devastation.

452333 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sandra Barwick, replying to TheHandbag, 7, #110 of 930 🔗

Very interesting that you too are reporting a reaction to subsequent Covid infections that can be felt, but are fought off. Me too, and a friend who had it in December. I had it in March, then a few months later I had malaise – typical”Oh, I’m going down with something” feelings, then overwhelming tiredness, so that I had to go to bed in day time – I never do that. Slept for 18 hours then fine. I now know that mounting an antibody response is very tiring, taxing for the body, and obviously that would increase with age. But good to know the body is updating its immune defences. Keep hugging.

452334 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #111 of 930 🔗

How do you know that you caught ‘it’ ?

Perhaps you looking at this in hindsight through ‘covid glasses’

Those symptoms are not particularly unique.

452147 ▶▶ LS99, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 18, #112 of 930 🔗

You’ve summed up precisely my reaction to that piece. I nearly spit my cornflakes out when I read that he felt neutral about vaccine passports!!!!

452191 ▶▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to LS99, 13, #113 of 930 🔗

Its about like saying you ‘feel neutral’ about FGM.

452242 ▶▶ Bungle, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #114 of 930 🔗

This is one of the key problems of a site run by a public schoolboy – he sees another one with a fancy name – maybe family came over with the Normans – and publishes him regularly even though he never says anything. Guy Fawkes would be better, at least it sounds like he pays his round!

To be honest I’ve not read any of his articles since the first one. I think he talks rubbish.

452066 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 20, #116 of 930 🔗

No virus has ever been isolated or purified.
Vaccines are biological agents, not medicinal.
Please don’t get the death-jabs.


452090 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Jinks, 20, #117 of 930 🔗

This confirms all of my research too. Dr Vernon Coleman’s latest video heads as “how many who have the Covid 19 jab will still be alive at Christmas”. This may sound extreme and I really hope it doesn’t happen but I do have a foreboding about next Autumn and Winter.

452096 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Suzyv, 25, #118 of 930 🔗

I’ve known it for two decades, and only came across “the old man in a chair” because of this shitshow. And he’s confirmed, along with thousands of other honest doctors and scientists, everything I suspected and could evidence. There are many parents or partners, convicted for murdering their babies, when the truth is, it’s the death-jabs that murdered the poor babies. But no-one even dares to even suggest that the cause of SIDS or SBS, could possibly be related to the death-jabs. I’ve prayed for decades for the truth to come out. Maybe now it will!

452212 ▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jinks, 10, #119 of 930 🔗

As an aside, Dr Coleman used to have a column in one of the Sundays (News of the World or People) on medical and other matters in the 1970s. He was very strong on animal rights as I recall and eventually left the paper due to his “controversial” views. As a child reading his column it was also disturbingly raunchy! He’s been around a long time and his integrity is unquestionable.

452286 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Fiona Walker, 10, #120 of 930 🔗

I came across Vernon Coleman after having caught the virus in December 2019 (working with some Chinese researchers who had just arrived in the UK) and even though I was recovering from cancer treatment, the symptoms were milder than most colds I have caught. When 3 months later in March 2020 there was this extraordinary reaction to the virus around the world I thought “what the hell is going on? This is all completely irrational and medical nonsense”. A friend shared one of VC’s videos and I thought – ahh this all makes sense now. (My family are in 2 different medical professions so I was already sceptical of the official narrative).

452697 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jinks, #121 of 930 🔗

I get the feeling we’ll be seeing a repeat of the Swine Flu vaccine fiasco which resulted into some people developing nasty side effects and the vaccine being withdrawn.

452067 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 35, #122 of 930 🔗

I just found a petition about pledging to get a covid vaccine in my email.

Safe. Effective. Live-saving. These words all describe the COVID-19 vaccine, now available in a variety of different forms and slowly being offered to people in the U.S. and throughout the world. It’s not an overstatement to say this vaccine will change the entire fate of the world, by saving hundreds of thousands of human lives — if not millions. Despite this irrefutable fact, some people are refusing to get the vaccine. In doing so, they’re endangering their entire communities by continuing to let the deadly coronavirus run rampant and claim lives.
Not 1 single person has died as a result of taking these vaccines. Meanwhile, more than 515,203 people in the United States and 2,538,681 worldwide have perished from this contagious disease as of Tuesday, March 2, 202

I think saying Not 1 single person has died as a result of taking these vaccines is being economical with the truth not to mention it is not proven to prevent transmission and if it works what others do shouldn’t matter.

And why should you pledge to undergo any medical procedure? Either you want/need it or you don’t. I am awaiting more study results before deciding. The email has been deleted.

452070 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 21, #123 of 930 🔗

And a baseless prediction about ‘saving lives’ is described as an ‘irrefutable fact’. Big Brother and his Newspeak designers must be purring with satisfaction.

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel snakeoil.

452082 ▶▶ Alex B, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #124 of 930 🔗

Ah yes! What they actually died from is this new malady: ‘temporal association’ disorder. Fear not, they are working on a vaccine for that too.

452578 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #125 of 930 🔗

Fact-free enticement.

452071 Annie, replying to Annie, 80, #126 of 930 🔗

So Barr thinks the proffered NHS pay rise is ‘paltry’.
Tell that to the millions who have NOTHING since the Fascist pigs destroyed their jobs or businesses.

452178 ▶▶ Lindy, replying to Annie, 17, #127 of 930 🔗

No surprise that the media are “forgetting to tell the whole story but would have expected better here.

The headline figures are just wrong. NHS staff pay will not be going up by just 1% because the national figure is on top of staff’s progress within their pay band.

 The three-year pay deal struck in 2018 gave over 1 million staff a pay rise of at least 6.5%, and some as much as 29%. A nurse with a year’s experience would have seen their pay go up 21% over three years.

452205 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Lindy, 4, #128 of 930 🔗

That’s true to some extent. The people who benefited from the 2018 deal were those in the lower bands on agenda for change, particularly those at the top of their band.
For a band 5 registered nurse at the top of their band can find that nurses with less experience are getting paid the same. The only way for the top of band issue to be solved is if the person is moved into band 6. However, there is an issue within some hospitals and that is favouritism/nepotism/face fits; it doesn’t matter how good you are at your job if your face don’t fit you aren’t going anywhere.

452222 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Annie, 10, #129 of 930 🔗

To say they have had nothing is still not conveying the true nature of it. Vast numbers of people have had a NEGATIVE pay rise as their incomes collapsed. They also do not receive generous sick pay, annual leave and gold plated pension provision.

The problem is that NHS staff are starting to believe all the religious adulation about them. If you keep telling people they are heroes they start to believe it and demand commensurate remuneration.

I would support a decent pay rise for those at the lower end of the NHS pay scale and a fair one for the rest around what they have been offered. Its tempting to say what they love to often say to others…… ‘don’t you know there is a pandemic on’!

452229 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Annie, 6, #130 of 930 🔗

I wish people would stop misrepresenting what the last few years pay changes have meant for the NHS ( all NHS workers by the way, not just nurses). Not doctors though. The same scrutiny should be applied as we apply to everything Boris says. The new pay system, if anyone bothers to check, has actually removed the annual pay progression which meant each payscale was divided into 4 or 5 incremental steps. Now, staff stay on level pay for about 5 years, then, depending on how well they please the management, there is one increment they might get, to a level which they stay on till they die or get promoted to another job. No nurse got anywhere near 29%, this was a headline figure caused by the removal of Band 1 because it was under the minimum wage. Most people averaged 6% over the entire 5 year period, not 6% per year. I’m very disappointed at the lack of research from the LS community on this. We need to be robust and accurate and not just follow the general anti-NHS feeling when the facts don’t back it up.

452415 ▶▶ TyRade, replying to Annie, 4, #131 of 930 🔗

here’s a self-funding solution to the deserving NHS heroes’ pay demand – cut teachers’ pay and give the dancing heroes a bung! There are around 1.1 million ‘front line’ NHS, average wage £27,000. So wage bill almost £30 billion. 10% – generous? – of that is say £3 billion. Now, there are 550,000 teachers in the UK, who, on average earn £31,000 and on average have been sitting on their ar$es for over a year. Their wage bill is around £17 billion.Finding the 10% NHS frontline ransom out of teachers’ pockets would require an 18% teachers’ wage cut. Maybe the teachers might remove their masks so we might judge their reaction to this fair proposal?

452787 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Annie, #132 of 930 🔗

In contrast to the politicians and civil servants, above all.

452073 Friedrich Stapß, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 113, #133 of 930 🔗

“Why can’t we hug our relatives yet?” bleats some DT hack.

Why have you allowed yourselves to become so infantilized that you ask permission to do it?

452076 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 19, #134 of 930 🔗

Totally agree.
Though, remembering some whiskery elderly relatives in my early youth, I am reminded of Auden’s clerihew:

When Immanuel Kant
Was told to kiss his aunt
He obeyed the Categorical Must,
But only just.

452586 ▶▶▶ Friedrich Stapß, replying to Annie, 2, #135 of 930 🔗

I had a categorically musty great aunt. As a child I’d have welcomed an injunction against hugging. But now I see the bigger picture.

452627 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #136 of 930 🔗

Didn’t we all have at least one old relative like that? Put me off hugging for a very long time. Now I hug whom I want and when I want — I don’t ask permission. OK, maybe I ask permission of the person I’m hugging, but certainly not of the government.

452079 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 2, #137 of 930 🔗

So true

452234 ▶▶ Boris Bullshit, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 17, #138 of 930 🔗

Anyone who follows rules like that imposed by a government deserves everything they get. I still find it truly incredible that anyone has followed such rules. The only ones I have followed is when I have no choice eg I cant go in a cafe if its closed but even there I have found one that opens illegally so I go there lol. (Sorry 77th brigade I shall not be saying where it is!)

The acceptance of government tyranny on people’s deeply personal lives eg hugging remains to me the most depressing aspect of this whole shits how. Sheep is too kindly an expression for me….I prefer collaborators in evil.

452264 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Boris Bullshit, 9, #139 of 930 🔗

Same. And I’ve pretty much had it, with everyone who’s going along with. Especially those with children and elderly parents. I always wondered what is wrong with people? I’ve realised there is no logic to people, and in general, people are monumentally lazy. I used to be glad when I found any. Now, I’m just continually angry at it’s rarity.

452636 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Boris Bullshit, 1, #140 of 930 🔗

Surely this is a problem in carehomes, where draconian conditions are strictly controlled and visitors are treated like lepers – when actually allowed access to their loved ones?

Those whose relatives live at home but await permission deserve our utmost contempt.

452360 ▶▶ CrazyHoarse, replying to Friedrich Stapß, 12, #141 of 930 🔗

Last year some of the restrictions were relaxed for a time and the state in all its benevolence allowed people to hug each other. I got an odd look from a work colleague after she said “finally, I can hug my grandchildren again” and I responded “well you know you could before as well”. I don’t she appreciated the remark, but she’s an odd one seeing as she left the Soviet Union when she was a teenager with her family to come to England and now she’s dutifully allowing TPTB to dictate who she can hug. Odd

452074 Annie, replying to Annie, 34, #142 of 930 🔗

Pity the NHS’s victims in Liverpool ( and elsewhere). As reported ATL:

as of the end of February there were 199 patients waiting more than 104 days, including 154 without a decision on treatment.

Imagine the miserable suspense of waiting for more than three months to discover whether or not the Hell Or Covid Service will bother to do anything about your potentially fatal cancer, which meanwhile is making free of your body.

452081 ▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to Annie, 10, #143 of 930 🔗

More psychological torment to endure, poor souls.

452297 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Annie, 16, #144 of 930 🔗

My friend is terminal after a 5 month wait for urgent surgery. All due to this fiasco. She cannot even visit friends and family whilst still well enough to do so. This is genocide of the old, sick and vulnerable.

452075 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 11, #145 of 930 🔗

The neanderthals are living it up, while the rest look on in envy.


452221 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Jinks, 8, #146 of 930 🔗

I was really annoyed by Biden’s comment. Recent research shows Neanderthals to have been bigger, stronger and healthier than modern humans and with similar cultural achievements. They interbred with modern humans and if you are a genetic European you will certainly have some of their genes.

452078 Laurence, replying to Laurence, 96, #147 of 930 🔗

On 19 March 2020, I wrote the following:

“Call me when you are around. I’ll run you through my numbers. I thought I was going mad but it’s good to see there’s someone else out there who can add up. Did you write this or do you know who did ? Estimate of no of people in uk under 60 who would die if nothing were ever done: 4500”

Further points to be discussed on the call were that the overall death toll from COVID would be no more than 0.2% of the population (at an extremely pessimistic view), around 135,000 people, but more likely to be half that.

This was based on an evening’s analysis of the information available at the time, and was self-evident to anyone reasonably numerate who bothered to look at it.

Since then, according to the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries, there were 54,600 excess deaths in England and Wales over the period from the start of the pandemic (taken as 14 March) to 1 January 2021, just under 0.1% of the population. Of those, around 5,000 were under 60.

So the death toll was predictable from the beginning, and actually predicted.

I have heard many times, and dare I say from many people who should know better, that the deaths would have been far higher in the absence of a lockdown. Well, the onus of evidence is on them – I haven’t seen figures over 0.2% of excess deaths anywhere in the world, and that includes the few countries and states that adopted sensible policies towards the pandemic, such as (famously) Sweden and 10 US states including Florida. In fact Sweden lost 1% more people in total  in 2020 than 2017 (after adjusting for the age and size of the population) and 2.3% more than in 2018 (2019 was the outlier – a particularly benign year there as in the UK). Over the whole pandemic up to 17 February 2021 the Swedes lost 418 people under 60 with COVID. Anders Tegnell is a great asset to humanity and should be celebrated.

So what are the effects in the real world of the above figures. Let’s start with the worst affected group, the over 90s. They had a 1 in 46 chance of dying from COVID last year compared to a 1 in 4.6 chance of dying of any cause in any year. So, looked at another way, for the sake of a 2% chance of dying they were forced to give up all the meaning and love in their life for around a quarter of the rest of their remaining days. For younger people, the cost/ benefit was even more skewed and for the under 50s and in particular the under 30s the policy decision to lock down by Boris and his complicit ‘scientists’ is so unbalanced that it can only be described as obscene.

It is surely a sign of a very sick society that it prioritises the lives of a few very elderly sick people over those of millions of children and young adults, especially when these same old people were released by the NHS into nursing homes to infect and kill further elderly people.

And the effect of this lockdown was not felt by the middle age, middle class, middle/ high income professional policy makers and advisers who could comfortably continue with their lives in their large houses with gardens in the suburbs of London; no, they were felt by young families in tower blocks  where both parents were thrown out of their jobs in hospitality or retail or furloughed, and they have no money, no outdoor space, not even laptops for their kids to do remote learning (if that is even an option).

And why ? Again, to protect a few elderly people most of whom died anyway.

Serious times call for serious people. We have a prime minister who excels at writing fascinating copy about bendy bananas or prawn cocktail crisps, but is clearly lacking when it comes to analysing the data and controlling his self-serving advisers who clearly cannot grasp even the most basic numerical concepts. When will they and their serially incompetent US equivalent Dr Fauci admit they got it wrong and tell Boris and Biden to let us out of this horrendous house imprisonment ? What has been clear for the past year to me and to many on this site, should have been abundantly clear to those advisers with the huge resources of their universities or even their country.

We need to scrap these ridiculous restrictions as soon as possible, and life must return to normal.

At least we are starting with the schools going back today, but that is nothing like enough and far too late.

452086 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Laurence, 38, #148 of 930 🔗

None of this is by accident, I’m afraid. You must begin to realise, there is a horrific hidden agenda.

452296 ▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to Laurence, 10, #149 of 930 🔗

Not incompetence unfortunately – all planned for several years.

453000 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to ShropshireLass, #150 of 930 🔗

Probably decades.

452083 mikec, replying to mikec, 56, #151 of 930 🔗

Unfortunately Guy when you took the jab you moved passports ever closer. The system will only work if 80% of the adult population complies, therefore your surrender moves us ever closer to their introduction. The ‘nudge’ worked.

452098 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to mikec, 53, #152 of 930 🔗

I agree. Of course it’s a personal choice and not for me to judge anyone but many are taking these jabs already and primarily for travel. In case anyone hasn’t noticed you can’t go anywhere right now and the goalposts will keep changing when the timing is convenient. So why not hold back a bit longer if you feel pressurised on this aspect and I realise it may be due to family overseas or work. Holding back increases the chances of this not happening, it can’t work if not enough people won’t be injected. And it won’t stop at one injection. It will be continuous and unless you are upto date you still won’t be able to travel. What will the continuous injection of harmful toxic rubbish do to even a healthy person’s immune system?

452101 ▶▶▶ danny, replying to Suzyv, 52, #153 of 930 🔗

I agree. No business is going to turn away a majority of customers, so if the majority are not vaccinated, then things like foreign travel, cafes and cinemas will welcome back the business.That is the collective power that people like Peter Hitchens are undermining by accepting defeat so early.

452106 ▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to danny, 19, #154 of 930 🔗

Agree with you both,Suzyv and Danny Also a few companies already saying publicly they won’t go along with it and this may help those looking for jobs – which could become a lot more important to people once govt/state-sponsored furlough eventually comes to an end.

452269 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to danny, 10, #155 of 930 🔗

Don’t forget 77th are here as well with their “Oh well I had to get the jab – it’s the only way forward ” flim flam
See it on 4chan every day

452117 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Suzyv, 21, #156 of 930 🔗

This is exactly what I am doing. I won’t have these newer types of vaccines as I honestly feel they will be dangerous in the longer term. I do however need to fly regularly abroad for family reasons + I have a small home abroad I need to go to. But I’m waiting. The Novavax may change my mind – it’s a traditional type of vaccine I believe but not available yet? – or a nasal spray. However I don’t need any of them for health reasons. And I certainly don’t want vaccine passports. So I’m waiting to see what happens. Meanwhile my own immune system is just fine, helped by vitamin D, C, zinc and iodine.

452262 ▶▶▶ Sandra Barwick, replying to Suzyv, 8, #157 of 930 🔗

Yes. I would think vaccine passports would be successfully challenged in court. Those who have had Covid provably have higher immunity, for example, and being forced to take experimental vaccines whose long term effects are unkown must be in breach of human rights legislation.

452208 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to mikec, 6, #158 of 930 🔗

Agreed. Nudging is something we can resist when we recognise it and have the will.

But we all have a line somewhere and could be broken. That is what scares me – I wouldn’t put anything past this regime. How would I react if my children and grandchildren were targeted to force me into acquiescence? A mad idea? It’s not without precedent. I know I would have to acquiesce in order to give them a chance.

452087 TC, replying to TC, 30, #159 of 930 🔗

So,PHE says that we’ve had a year with virtually no other respiratory illnesses?
How much do we taxpayers pay these people?
Prepare for a new lockdown later this year?
Carry on “saving” the cult, sorry, I mean the NHS.

452151 ▶▶ John, replying to TC, 16, #160 of 930 🔗

They are unable to say that as flu has been conflated with SARS-CoV-2. CoViD19 symptoms now include those for pretty much all upper respiratory tract infections. There’s no satisfactory differential diagnoses, if the symptom pattern matches CoViD19 then that is the diagnosis of choice, no alternatives are considered. Because people get tested because they have this “diagnosis” and the (somewhat discredited) RT-PCR is still considered the gold standard, the original diagnosis will be confirmed.
Have other respiratory infections disappeared? Almost certainly not.

452794 ▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to John, 1, #161 of 930 🔗

Incredible isn’t it? All of those NPIs: masks, hand santising, social distancing etc etc, got rid of all the respiratory illnesses (allegedly), except Covid. Colour me amazed.

452258 ▶▶ DevonBlueBoy, replying to TC, 6, #162 of 930 🔗

The wonderful NHS that is the envy of the world? So much so that no other country in the world has copied it for their own use.

452414 ▶▶▶ Sampa, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 2, #163 of 930 🔗

Brazil did. Our SUS is based on the NHS, which might explain why most people here have private health insurance. We went into to lock-down to ease the pressure on SUS, which I know from personal experience was buggered long before Covid arrived.

452088 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 20, #164 of 930 🔗

“The evidence of the efficacy of the death-jabs, just keeps piling up.

The latest data, which runs up to February 19 and was published on February 22, reveals a plethora of debilitating side-effects, but this has not alarmed officials at the MHRA who maintain that “no other new safety concerns have been identified from reports received to date.” They conclude from this that the “overall safety experience with both vaccines is so far as expected from the clinical trials.”

The regulator doubled down on supporting the jabs, stating that the “expected benefits of the vaccines in preventing COVID-19 and serious complications associated with COVID-19 far outweigh any currently known side effects,” including deafness, blindness, and death.

The MHRA justified this position by citing the passively analytical nature of recordings on the Yellow Card scheme: It is a self-reporting system. This means that none of the serious injuries, or even the deaths, are confirmed by a licensed doctor, giving the MHRA some leeway to declare that “the available evidence does not currently suggest that the vaccine caused the event.” Rather, the MHRA favors use of the term “temporally-related” to describe the succession of adverse events from injection with the vaccine, which they describe as “events occurring following vaccination but may or may not be caused by the vaccine.”


452107 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jinks, 22, #165 of 930 🔗

It does make you wonder when some country, media outlet or high profile person is going to pick up on this and start raising it publicly? Ordinary people are posting about this on Twitter and in comments sections but they are sidelined.
Who will rid us of these noxious potions?

452175 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #166 of 930 🔗

It seems to me that vaccine adverse reactions are getting a pretty good hearing on Twitter.

452220 ▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Basileus, 14, #167 of 930 🔗

Why not on MSM? We have to be subjected to every minute detail of Harry and Megan’s situation, but when it comes to reporting adverse events of an experimental biological, not a word.

452353 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to marebobowl, 3, #168 of 930 🔗

‘Bread and circuses’.

452481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basileus, 2, #169 of 930 🔗

I took a you gov quick poll yesterday, there was a question, how interested are you in Megharry? 18% were not interested, 49% of them not at all.

452263 ▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #170 of 930 🔗

Sadly on the bedwetters’ boards, they are loving their reactions because “it shows it’s working”! Trying to outdo each other with their symptoms. “I was in bed for a week!” “I had the worst migraine ever, for five days!” They are insane.

452379 ▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Fiona Walker, 1, #171 of 930 🔗

I get this too, oh it must be working. Anyone know a good way to counter that ‘argument’?

452633 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to maggie may, 6, #172 of 930 🔗

Yes, your body is attacking itself. Wooohooo! Chances are you’re sicker from the experimental gene therapy that you would have been from Covid. But mRNA is the gift that keeps on giving — once it’s turned on, it can’t be turned off.

452695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #173 of 930 🔗

Absolutely Lisa. Seems to me just as good a reason for feeling so bad is that your body is rejecting the ‘vaccine’. I have a friend who had the jab on Friday, the AZ one. I thought it was a bad idea and said so as she has early stage MS and is also bi-polar so on lots of meds but she was ‘advised’ it would be better to have the jab as she could be very ill if she got covid.

She has felt dreadful since Saturday, stayed in bed a lot of the time, couldn’t go to work so lost her pay for that day (being self-employed). She managed a walk yesterday with the dogs but she’s feeling bad again today, said she just fell over this morning, feeling sick etc.

She is really shocked at the reaction she’s had, definitely not wanting to have a second one. i really worry about what might happen if she is exposed to it again in the autumn.

Another friend who has ME was in bed for 2 days after having the jab. I think both ME and MS are immune system problems so seems quite crazy that they should both have had this ‘vaccine’

452655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to maggie may, 3, #174 of 930 🔗

“It must be working” is an admission, subconscious or otherwise, that they acknowledge the jab to be experimental and untested.

452214 ▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Jinks, 4, #175 of 930 🔗

Please read CDC’s VAERS. We should be worried about experimental biological adverse events including over 1,000 deaths in USA post COVID “vaccine”. It is public record.

452089 PatrickF, replying to PatrickF, 19, #176 of 930 🔗

Teaching unions prepare for the first day of the Battle of the Somme. The pupils going over the top, with insufficient mask protection.

452093 ▶▶ danny, replying to PatrickF, 16, #177 of 930 🔗

It’ll all be over by Christmas

452097 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to PatrickF, 3, #178 of 930 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 😂 😂 😂 😥 😢 😭 😭 😭 😭

452092 danny, replying to danny, 74, #179 of 930 🔗

So unless enough children (and teachers) wear muzzles for 6 hours a day, ignoring the risks to mental health, restrictions on airways, recycling their own air, bacterial infections, possible gum disease, glasses steaming up to obscure vision, cross contamination of dirty fabric, etc etc etc, it will be deemed a health and safety risk and the schools will risk their insurance?
More through the looking glass. Clown planet.

452102 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to danny, 7, #180 of 930 🔗

Brilliantly put.

452103 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 10, #181 of 930 🔗

What would the Church be, if it had true Christian representation of the Christian faith, such as this pastor.

Instead we have the demonically-possessed, allowing the blasphemy of genetic-modification therapy, cultured using aborted foetal cells, to be injected into the wretched masses, whilst, in the very same buildings designed for spiritual counselling, healing and fellowship has been forbidden.


452139 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Jinks, 5, #182 of 930 🔗

He’s in good company behind those bars.
Starting with St Paul.

452152 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Annie, 7, #183 of 930 🔗

The faithful need to turn up outside the prison, to hear his sermon and receive his blessings. They can’t stop him from speaking! I’d be shouting my sermon through any gap available. I caused a right ruckus in my time, literally and metaphorically, when I was unjustly imprisoned.

452109 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 63, #184 of 930 🔗

Thinking about this vaccine business and passports etc. I do feel that some of the pundits and commentators, as with the one in the newsletter above, are approaching this subject on an entirely ethical, philosophical and political stance and are guilty of ignoring the science. In my view, you do not have to be a genius scientist to conclude that these M-RNA potions are very different and new and move the whole vaccine debate into an entirely different area.
If the first vaccines to come out and the ones they were now pushing were the more traditional types, Sinovac and Sinopharm which we are told may come out as nasal sprays, then I feel the whole debate would have been different. I would probably have said that I do not think I need it but just to keep the peace I would have probably had a spray, collected my ticket, like with a Yellow Fever pass and thought no more about it.

But the difference with these M-RNA potions is so enormous so new and so unknown that it puts the issue into a different area of debate. And the fact that they are so keen to push these, even to sectors of the population that do not need them does have sinister undertones. It is almost as if they want to get these dodgy potions into as many people as possible before any other vaccines come out and people demand those instead.

I feel our commentators and pundits have let us down by ignoring the scary science of this new age of ‘ genetic/vaccines/potions’.

452111 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #185 of 930 🔗

Well said.

452204 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #186 of 930 🔗

Sinovac and Sinopharm are inactivated vaccines, not nasal sprays . Codagenix is the nasal spray. The first two are not likely to be available in the UK and the latter is not likely to come out until 2022.

452308 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to arfurmo, 8, #187 of 930 🔗

IF it works, Covi-vac from Codagenix has the virtue of just being a speeded up version of the tried and tested way of vaccination. Being an inhaler, tested on animals and mass produced with Serum of India gives me some confidence it isn’t a ‘Gates-inspired’ monster. Although the BMGF is an indirect investor through Adjuvant Capital, and US Dept of Defense is a direct investor in Codagenix. Its almost impossible to find any bio company that hasn’t got these two as investors now.
The target date for trials/testing , including primates for ’emergency use, is only 48 days according to their site; having 2022 as a date is indicative of a problem or two.
Being resident of France, I am delighted at the snails pace of vaccination and the clear advice that you have to be WILLING to have it. I note that Sanofi are going to produce the Janssen product in France, and have attached the latest FDA note for this product. It can’t be more specific that it is NOT approved or licensed in common with all the others, ‘buyer beware’!

452664 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #189 of 930 🔗

Codagenix sounds suspiciously DNA-altering!

452110 PastImperfect, 66, #190 of 930 🔗

Conformity v. Morality

452113 Julian, replying to Julian, 36, #191 of 930 🔗

How anyone can claim to be a lockdown sceptic and at the same time say they have an open mind on vaccine passports is beyond me

He says that freedom is not absolute, which is true in so far as things like murder are illegal and most people agree with that

If you argue vaccine passports are justified then IMO exactly the same arguments can be applied to lockdowns

I can just about see some extreme circumstances in which lockdowns and vaccine passports may be justifiable, but they are unlikely to happen in practice but more importantly we have now clearly seen that virtually no government on the planet can be trusted with this power – it has been grossly abused – which is in my view enough to rule out vaccine passports and lockdowns in all cases

452121 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Julian, 23, #192 of 930 🔗

I think many people like me have had a Yellow Fever jab and hold an international Vaccine card which you need to enter certain African countries. However, in my view it is very short sighted and naive to think that this Covid passport is just a simple extension to the Yellow fever card.

452115 SilentP, replying to SilentP, 22, #193 of 930 🔗

Have not come across this before. Somewhat concerning. Interview with Geert Vanden Bossche, who apparently knows his onions about vaccines.
He is saying that we should not be using prophylactic vaccines during a pandemic and that they will provoke
a very strong antibody response that overrides our existing response when we encounter a Coronavirus


452125 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to SilentP, 21, #194 of 930 🔗

The possibility of a vaccine causing the a ‘ cytokine storm’ at some stage in the future when the body meets a new wild coronavirus is a possibility. This is one reason why such vaccines normally have long term trials. I touched on the issue in my own blog some weeks ago


452346 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Schrodinger, 6, #195 of 930 🔗

Geert mentions ADE (antibody dependant enhancement) in the section around 26 mins 33 secs.

He seems to me (a non-expert) to be implying that there is no evidence of ADE so far in that the antibodies in the experimental vaccines are so far neutralising for subsequent SARS-C0V-2 infection. Given that the people in the vaccine trials who subsequently encountered the virus didn’t obviously show ADE affects, that seems reasonable. But he accepts that there is a risk of ADE in the future in that neutralising antibodies become no longer neutralising.

He then talks about something different which is the population issue of allowing immune escape. And at that point those who have vaccine mediated antibodies will have a damaged balance between their innate and adapative immune systems and will be susceptible to encountering the mutated virus.

So this population level issue is detrimental to the unvaccinated also, but at least the balance of their innate and adaptive immune system hasn’t been messed up by the vaccines.

Have i misunderstood him?

452376 ▶▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Freecumbria, 4, #196 of 930 🔗

That’s how I understood it, too.

452192 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to SilentP, 4, #197 of 930 🔗

Thanks for posting that. Very interesting.

The bit starting around 11 minutes 50 seconds is an explanation of what has been happening with the experimental vaccinations, for example care home outbreaks just after vaccination.

I like how he differentiates between population level and individual level affects.

452280 ▶▶ Sandra Barwick, replying to SilentP, 7, #198 of 930 🔗

Very worrying. Has anyone been able to check his credentials? Real Joe Smalley retweeted him, so I hope he had time to check. If he is what he is said to be, and what he says is true about the vaccines over riding natural immune responses that is catastrophic news.
And news which would be too too late for many.

452327 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Sandra Barwick, 3, #199 of 930 🔗

His credentials are solid – here’s his LinkedIn:


452321 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to SilentP, 5, #200 of 930 🔗


Pathogenic Priming — Another Significant Risk

According to the author, some epitopes can cause “autoimmunological pathogenic priming due to prior infection or following exposure to SARS-CoV-2 … following vaccination.”

In other words, if you’ve had the infection once, and get reinfected (either by SARS-CoV-2 or a sufficiently similar coronavirus), the second bout has a great potential to be more severe than the first. Similarly, if you get vaccinated and are then infected with SARS-CoV-2, your infection may be more severe than had you not been vaccinated.


Journal of Translational Autoimmunity 2020; 3: 1000051

452372 ▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to SilentP, 6, #201 of 930 🔗

I was looking to see if anyone would post this. I’ve sent it to the editors as I feel that it should be shouted from the rooftops, and I’ve also sent it to my MP. It should either stop the madness now, or prove once and for all that this is NOT about the virus.

452506 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to SilentP, 3, #202 of 930 🔗

Experts and medical researchers like Sherri Tenpenny, Dolores Cahill, Zach Bush and many others have for over six months been warning of the dangers to vaccinated people encountering any wild coronavirus (including the common cold) in months to come. Here’s another article covering this point in depth.


Of course these experts have been censored and discredited as ‘conspiracy theorists’ and ‘anti-vaxxers’ so I doubt any other experts will be received any differently.

452116 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 65, #203 of 930 🔗

Let me get this correct the teachers don’t want to go to work in front of a few children (who to all intents and purposes do not catch or transmit Covid19) but are quite happy for supermarket workers to work all day face to face with thousands of adults to keep them supplied with hummus, chickpeas and Chardonnay.

452118 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Schrodinger, 29, #204 of 930 🔗

Lockdown for me but not for thee

It’s an astonishing blind spot that lockdown supporters have

452120 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 29, #205 of 930 🔗

yes. its very selfish – ‘lock down everything except the people that directly serve me at home’

452154 ▶▶ TreeHugger, replying to Schrodinger, 23, #206 of 930 🔗

Please don’t tar all teachers with the same brush. I know a good few, plus neighbours are teachers & currently both sons are working in schools, most teachers are happy to be back today. It’s the noisy few who you are referring to, not the majority.

452160 ▶▶▶ disgruntled246, replying to TreeHugger, 16, #207 of 930 🔗

It’s the unions to blame really.

452245 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to TreeHugger, 12, #208 of 930 🔗

The sensible majority need to disown their unions loud and clear. I’m guessing membership of some union is advisable for legal backing should a misguided child accuse an innocent teacher of something but it shouldn’t stop teachers saying “no” to the unions over masking up children. And themselves, how on earth you can authoritatively manage a lesson through a double layer of fabric is beyond me, even ignoring the health issues of mask wearing.

452316 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to WasSteph, 5, #209 of 930 🔗

Great idea.

Suggest the sensible teachers ditch these militant teachers unions and join the Workers of England Union https://www.workersofengland.co.uk – also affiliated with the Free Speech Union

452257 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TreeHugger, 10, #210 of 930 🔗

I’m actually off to do that today. The NEU gets not a further penny of mine, and I’m about to request a refund.

452133 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 11, #211 of 930 🔗

Dr. Scott Jensen, WHO Confirm: ‘We’ve All Been Played’ on COVID-19

452233 ▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Basileus, 4, #212 of 930 🔗

Love Dr. jensen

452136 John, 6, #213 of 930 🔗

If anyone wishes to find out about the different vaccines used in the U.K. or needs a cure for insomnia try https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/immunisation-against-infectious-disease-the-green-book .

452137 Basileus, 11, #214 of 930 🔗

‘How the depopulation vaccines will start working in 3-6 months time’. Dr Sherry Jensen.


452138 l835, replying to l835, 3, #215 of 930 🔗

Did they ever find the ‘Brazilian’?

452193 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to l835, 9, #216 of 930 🔗

Yes, turned up just near Mons Veneris.

452326 ▶▶ Nobody2021, replying to l835, 6, #217 of 930 🔗

Cressida Dick spotted him running in a London Underground station.

452730 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to l835, 1, #218 of 930 🔗

Funny how that’s disappeared from the news.

452141 Jinks, replying to Jinks, 11, #219 of 930 🔗

Those parents who are still convinced of the benefits of sending their children into bio-fascist indoctrination centres, masquerading as schools, maybe now they’ll be convinced? The bio-fascist state is here, and it’s coming for your children. Using weasel words like “inoculation” and “immunisation” to sell you death-jabs, and enslavement!


452174 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jinks, 19, #220 of 930 🔗

Comments are all against. Hopefully articles from representatives of the lizard race such as this will finally wake some people up to how far this government will go.

Not just a jab to return in Autumn, a booster in Winter, with a lockdown because of flu, for which they’ll be jabbed as well of course. God knows how they’ll do a trial for that. More masking, social distancing in school. Despite the wonder jabs.

Yeah, all sounds terrific. There minds will be turning to mush, their who character set on a prisoner like perspective.

Bring it on. If they want to do this, then they will see jail. They’ve decided to wreck this country in the name of fear and safety

452226 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #221 of 930 🔗

Yes they were, and the replies to those showing even a hint of approval, were a mixture of incredulity, and out&out hostility.

452142 Basileus, 4, #222 of 930 🔗

How does the whole thing end?


452143 Miss Liss, replying to Miss Liss, 28, #223 of 930 🔗

The unsung villains of Covid are insurance companies. They refused to pay out business interruption cover, which has hugely harmed businesses. They threatened many schools (including boarding schools) into closure by saying they would not cover Covid claims. They have simply refused to honor long standing contracts “because Covid” and defied anyone to sue them.

Because insurance is a legal requirement for so many parts of life, the insurers can just make their own rules separate to the government and impose impossible terms.

It’s shocking, frankly, that insurers have encouraged people for decades to buy all kinds of optional coverage, just in case, but then refuse to pay out obvious claims.

452157 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Miss Liss, 11, #224 of 930 🔗

And, They’ll refuse to pay out to anyone damaged by the death-jab. Total racket!

452164 ▶▶▶ captainbeefheart, replying to Jinks, 10, #225 of 930 🔗

Maybe someone needs to put “Check your life insurance policy” posters up near jabbing centres?

Informed consent and all that.

Or maybe “Don’t worry if your life insurance won’t pay out because they won’t cover experimental treatments, if you are injured, the government will give you up to £140,000!”

452213 ▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to captainbeefheart, 5, #226 of 930 🔗

Government only pays, if you can prove you’ve been at least 60% disabled, directly by the death-jab, and you have 60 days from onset of injury, to register your claim. The government may fund your legal costs, otherwise you ill find yourself against an opposition of government funded solicitors, with government funded medical “experts” in an adversarial Court setting, in front of a government appointed judge. If you don’t, you will have to fund your claim yourself. If an adult doesn’t claim for a death-jab injured child, you may register a claim up to 6 months after your 21st birthday. All those lovely 6’s.

452453 ▶▶▶▶▶ marebobowl, replying to Jinks, 2, #227 of 930 🔗

The taxpayer pay for injury, not the experimental biological maker.

452637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to marebobowl, #228 of 930 🔗

I thought that was a given.

452835 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alex B, replying to Jinks, #229 of 930 🔗

Even then, when the government allowed Pandemrix (swine flu 2009), to be rolled out and it caused narcolepsy, they fought paying compensation under the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme tooth and nail even though they admitted the vaccine was responsible. It went all the way to the High Court where the DWP lost.

452189 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Miss Liss, 6, #230 of 930 🔗

And they won’t cover any liabilty if someone does somehow to trace getting Covid back to a school even if they have measures in place. Because the science is not clear on said measures. They’ll be all too happy to get into the minutae on that one to not pay out.

Bottom line: everyone should sign a waiver or agree to it that they will not hold the school or institution responsible if they end up with lurgy or some sort. Oh wait a minute, we already had that previously.

452253 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Miss Liss, 1, #231 of 930 🔗

Why should insurers have to pay out for damage caused by a cold?
They never had too before

452145 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 37, #232 of 930 🔗

A piece supporting or at least acquiescing to vaccine passports?

Oh dear. So they’ve spent 12 months arguing against lockdowns, “we never lockdown down in 2018” etc, and yet now it’s different? Now it’s time for a vaccine passports which will not be a vaccine passport of course. It’ll be much more (see Social Credit scheme). This is disheartening to say the least.

We’ve spent the whole year listening to people urging, three weeks to flatten, it’s just a mask, it’s just home school, it’s just temporary.

Vaccine passports are the same. They are not temporary, they are basically pivoting the ‘temporary’ track and trace which has a £32bn budget of which only a fraction has been spent. Why? Because it was never meant to be temporary, it is building a permanent infrastructure under the guise of temporary crisis.

Guy, sorry, but you’ve got to think more on this and resist it.

452156 ▶▶ marebobowl, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 22, #233 of 930 🔗

I could not agree more. A passport that says what, I had a vaccine that does not protect me from getting the virus or transmitting it. Again, it is a nonsense and deserves to be ignored, especially from lockdown sceptics.

452170 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to marebobowl, 16, #234 of 930 🔗

A passport that says “I obeyed the state” – that’s all it will mean because as you say the gene therapy does nothing to protect, and in fact statistics out of Israel show it has killed far greater numbers of people than if they had never had it.

452161 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 12, #235 of 930 🔗

As I said further down, the arguments for vaccine passports seem to me to be the same as the arguments for lockdown, so how you can be in favour of one but oppose the other is utterly beyond me

452217 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #236 of 930 🔗

LDS is pro drugs. Period. As are almost all the 650 useless MPs, the Fake Media, the Fake Scientists, the Quackademics et al.

None of them have a clue about the immune system which is still not understood (a black box).

None of them have a clue about the failed history of most vaccinations.

None of them have a clue what RNA does or why you need to ingest mercury, phosphates and linked aborted baby tissue.

None of them care about the thousands dead and injured from the drugs.

Like Remoantards it is selfish. I want to travel to Spain. I want to see a footie match. ‘I want….’

Has nothing to do with science, morality, ethics, or reality.

Losing your freedom because ‘I want to…..’ sums up the selfish attitudes of the Drug-fascists.

452370 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to FerdIII, 4, #237 of 930 🔗

Quackademics:: I like it.

452260 ▶▶ stevie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #238 of 930 🔗

I thought track and trace was expected to cost 100 Billion.

452389 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stevie, #239 of 930 🔗

That’s incredible if true. I understand it to have a budget currently of 32bn over 2 years.

452490 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to stevie, 1, #240 of 930 🔗

The psyop starts with audacious and outrageous assertions that when backtracked seem like not such a bad deal. There’s a signature to this kind of bullying ‘politics’.

452146 norwegian, replying to norwegian, 11, #241 of 930 🔗

For those of you who who don’t know, reality check time:

“An Honest Look at the Historical Evidence that Vaccines Eliminated Diseases”


452206 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to norwegian, 8, #242 of 930 🔗

Great link thank you. Vaccine effectiveness is science fiction for the most part. The ‘herd immunity’ destroys the infectious spread, and often the ‘experts’ simply recategorise the disease or rename it. Flu is now Covid for eg. So is pneumonia and respiratory death. Article presents the real evidence.

“The problem with these statements is that they are not supported by the evidence. When we look at the actual data, we see that although many people did die from whooping cough in the early part of the 1900s, by the time the vaccine had been introduced the death rate in the United States had declined by more than 90 percent. Using the source that was referenced to make the statement in the Pediatrics paper, we see that the decline in deaths from the peak was approximately 92 percent before the introduction of the DTP vaccine. [4]”

DTP has killed millions of children in Africa (WHO, Gates, Gavi).

452148 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 27, #243 of 930 🔗

There is mention AtL of police ‘issuing fines’ or people being fined by police. In my understanding this is not possible. Police cannot issue penalties. They can give a fixed penalty notice which you can refuse. Can we please not adopt these expressions used by the propagandising media.

452183 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basileus, 13, #244 of 930 🔗

Plus that person who was dearrested and fined can appeal and have it overturned as there is no precident from I believe Nadle v DPP. You do not have to give your name if being asked under Covid-19 regs.

I actually don’t want these things to be just appealed and overturned. I want the officers punished as they are being negligent causing harm. There is no moral hazard.

452185 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to mhcp, 2, #245 of 930 🔗

Crimebodge YT and website. He’s brilliant.

452150 marebobowl, replying to marebobowl, 26, #246 of 930 🔗

Susan Hopkins phe, more scaremongering. Sadly Drs. John Ioannidis and Mike Yeadon have been smeared, and silenced by social media and MSM. And yet people like ms. Hopkins are allowed to make predictions about the future based on what? I have to ask, why does lockdown sceptics give her a platform. I would rather see an intelligent interview with Drs. Ioannidis or Yeadon please. Stop giving even a sentence of attention to those who simply want to prolong this nonsense. Thank you.

452169 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to marebobowl, 15, #247 of 930 🔗

“Worth reading in full”. How about, fuck off, it isn’t, Jonathan.

452202 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to marebobowl, 10, #248 of 930 🔗

She is doing the messaging for the Fall LD’s and associated ‘papieren bitte’ against your injection of experimental drugs, to exit your house. Doris, rent-a-boy Gove, Wancock, Shit-for-brains Whitty et al will be ejaculating the same message over time, don’t worry. The moron quackademics at SAGE in exchange for more funding will happily oblige with fake models predicting 4 trillion dead a day. BBC will be breathless in its religious observances and escatological coverage. Sheeple will bleat dismay and anguish behind triple diapers with bulging eyes. ‘Science’ a new religion of fascism.

452163 ▶▶ bobdobbs0507, replying to stefarm, #250 of 930 🔗

Sad news.

452244 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to stefarm, 1, #251 of 930 🔗

Alan has moved on to the next stage of his cosmic journey. I hope, wherever he is, in whatever state of being he may be, his spirit will be added to the conscience, which eternally connects us all, and which speaks to us the wisdom and admonition of our ancestors.

452531 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 2, #252 of 930 🔗

That was sad to hear that. I have listened to Alan Watt from at least 2002 and I used to listen to him every week. I have loads of his shows archived.

Not sure why.

I have just downloaded his last podcast which I will listen to later on. Really, what a loss.

Alan Watt was great.

Such a nice radio voice and a calm way about his delivery, it helped me through the last 20 years of madness and really helped put things about how the world works into a useful framework for me.

He was right on point with his analysis of current affairs and his unique slant was also precise in it’s dissection of that which is hidden in plain sight.

He will never be replaced with anybody that has the depth of knowledge he had. He won this knowledge from a life-time of analysis. He paid attention, close attention.

Poor old Alan suffered really badly from a chest infection that nearly killed him a few years ago. It really did him harm and I don’t think he really recovered from it.

I wonder what he died from. Perhaps there will be a clue in his last podcast.

I will really miss him. I wish I had written to him to say thanks for his work and tell him how much I appreciated it. There is a lesson in life.

RIP Alan Watt.

452864 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, #253 of 930 🔗

I only found him (or maybe he found me 😉 ) at the beginning of this shit show and I’ve listened to each of his weekly shows since. His conversations with Neil Foster @ reality bytes radio are a good listen. I will definitely go through his old shows.

452165 marebobowl, replying to marebobowl, 28, #254 of 930 🔗

Is Nicola being less than honest when she says gatherings such as the one after a rangers game, put lives at risk? What? A virus with a 99.8/9% chance of survival in the under 50’s and not too far from that for everyone else? When will we get some honesty from our officials with accurate infection fatality rates discussed out in the open with real numbers produced. Average age for death from COVID UK 82yrs 4mos. Average life expectancy Uk 81.

I know this is an antilockdown newsletter, but MSM gives people like ms sturgeon and other politicians a platform to weigh in on their “we are all going to die” rhetoric. It simply isn’t true.

452168 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to marebobowl, 17, #255 of 930 🔗

The Irish premier said that the one thing we know about covid is that it doesn’t discriminate. The complete opposite of the truth

452232 ▶▶▶ BertieFox, replying to steve_w, 5, #256 of 930 🔗

Would you really expect him to know anything? He spouts what he’s told to. He’s brainless.

452251 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BertieFox, 5, #257 of 930 🔗

Hear hear. I suspect Varadkar (the Tánaiste/Deputy Prime Minister) as a doctor knows that the whole thing is bunkum but has been promised something by the Davos Elite for being a good little poodle. His demeanour in public appearances is of a man who knows he is shilling.

452171 ▶▶ Markus Skepticus, replying to marebobowl, 6, #258 of 930 🔗

Jonathan thinks it’s “worth reading in full”. It really isn’t.

452198 ▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to marebobowl, 7, #259 of 930 🔗

Actually she should make more statements like that, people will see the total ridiculousness of her position and hopefully start to wake up.

452218 ▶▶ Maccynic, replying to marebobowl, 3, #260 of 930 🔗

If only rangers fans were claimed their ‘lives mattered’ I’m sure their gatherings would be embraced by woke folk.

452236 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to marebobowl, 4, #261 of 930 🔗

Nicola dishonest. How dare you. I challenge you to a duel

452255 ▶▶ landt2020, replying to marebobowl, 2, #262 of 930 🔗

Average life expectancy in Glasgow is even a few years lower than that- 78ish I think?

452554 ▶▶ frankfrankly, replying to marebobowl, 2, #263 of 930 🔗

I have several times asked my MP why the age structure has not been publicised and although he regularly replies to me, sometimes in detail, he never addresses this-unsurprisingly, as it would undermine the fear factor. I wonder whether the First Minister believes her own propaganda. For all I know, she may do.

452182 GCarty80, 8, #264 of 930 🔗

How likely is it that teachers’ unions opposed to reopening schools are in the pay of remote learning corporations, much like how the anti-nuclear-power movement was heavily funded by “philanthropic foundations” that were ultimately built on oil money (such as the Rockefeller Foundation)?

452188 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 17, #265 of 930 🔗

So, when do we think schools will close again? I’m putting my two bob on ooohh, 9.40 am.

452211 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #266 of 930 🔗


452235 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #267 of 930 🔗


452239 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #268 of 930 🔗

Can’t have those pestilent younglings having fun over Halloween

452248 ▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #269 of 930 🔗

After the nasal flu vaccine has rolled out.

452195 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 16, #270 of 930 🔗

First legal challenge to ‘No jab, no Job’.


452228 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Basileus, 14, #271 of 930 🔗

First of many. We need to crowd fund a concerted legal challenge to this fascism.

452324 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to FerdIII, #272 of 930 🔗

I must say that entrepreneurs and independent business people have gone down a lot in my esteem.
I always held the multinationals managerial caste in contempt, but it is sickening to see them go down the fascist route as well and again.
Most have them have unfortunately now become very dependant upon government money and contracts, but I can still not accept this as an excuse.

452330 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 5, #273 of 930 🔗

Great video re experimental jabs (it is not a vaccine)

Too many people capitulate to authority.

Standing your ground to preserve:

  • your health
  • family stability

Show them that we will not be used as human guinea pigs
You are own control into what is going into your body
Pretty serious health consequences going down the road

452199 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 14, #274 of 930 🔗

Predictably, the LS 2.0 update has broken my scraper. This means that Panscepticon will not be doing a very good job of mirroring new content until I have taught the scraper to navigate the new site layout.

Bah. I hate change.

452215 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #275 of 930 🔗

Bah? Surely you mean moo.

452349 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Alethea, 1, #276 of 930 🔗


452439 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #277 of 930 🔗

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

452209 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 25, #278 of 930 🔗

JHB on talk radio just ripped up the minister for children and left her for dead over testing and masking kids. Meanwhile over in la la land (aka bbc breakfast) a heartwarming handholding session in a care home (masked of course), a staged bench reunion (2 metres apart of course, good job it was a big bench) and an interview with a head teacher at the school testing centre ready for its first victims. The differend in action.

452243 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fear is Finite, 19, #279 of 930 🔗

Perfectly put. The BBC is unwatchable. Its sheer propaganda for the brainless.

452266 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 19, #280 of 930 🔗

Since the kids are back at school and I have some free time, I might head out to the park and see how many 2 metre bench reunions I can spoil by sitting down in between them…

452273 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Fear is Finite, 25, #281 of 930 🔗

I did a couple of weeks ago..The benches near Tate Modern on the Southbank are massive and these 2 girls sat on each side of them , I then sat in the middle., still more than enough distance from both of them. The look of shock on their faces, like their little heads just could not compute. They did not say anything , they just stood up and went to to the river fence to look at me with fierce eyes. Made my day 🙂

452284 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #282 of 930 🔗

Brilliant 😬

452789 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Thomas_E, #283 of 930 🔗

I know the benches you mean. My Tate membership comes up for renewal next month, and I’m going to take a twisted pleasure in telling them that I’m not renewing because (a) with advanced booking, limited numbers, queuing, distancing, sanitising, and masks, a visit to the galleries would be an unpleasant experience which I have no wish to undergo, and (b) they will probably be compelled to close again with a new lockdown in autumn or winter.

452451 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Fear is Finite, #284 of 930 🔗

Go for it.

452270 ▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #285 of 930 🔗

The JHB interview, although they disappointingly cut the fun bit at the end:

452433 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Fear is Finite, 4, #286 of 930 🔗

JHB was frightening me and I’m on her side.

452448 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip, replying to Fear is Finite, #287 of 930 🔗

ARRRR, BLESS!!!!!!!!
Comfort zone for collaborating sheep.

452210 davews, 3, #288 of 930 🔗

Nice of them to link to our Bracknell council school update at the top. But their ‘latest’ has not been updated since December… Anyway, saw the young lad opposite being picked up this morning so guess at least some of our schools are open again.

452216 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 4, #289 of 930 🔗

One of the sceptics positions is that the vaccines may have contributed to the second spike of deaths in early-Jan. However, Sweden also had the weird ‘double rise’ of deaths and I think I’m right in saying that they hadn’t vaccinated people, or at least not many people, at that time? Is there any other explanation for this leap in Jan?

I just don’t like it when there are small apparent holes in our arguments.

452224 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to kenadams, 11, #290 of 930 🔗

‘small rise’ compared to what? It is flu season.

UK jabbed 95 % of 70 y.o, by end of Jan, rolling from Dec 2020.

So ask yourself this. Post Feb 1, 15.000 have died from the Rona (supposedly).


If the drugs work why are they still dying?

Further, 400 dead and thousands injured from the jab? Why no reporting, why nothing on this or other sites about the rising dead and injured counts? Will this get worse over time given that the drugs change your RNA?

Why not ask yourself why the dead since Feb if the jab works?

452225 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to kenadams, 3, #291 of 930 🔗

Sweden started injecting on 27th December and expects to have given it to all adults by Summer 2021.

There is a wikipedia entry on the subject.

452219 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 14, #292 of 930 🔗

Glasgow Rangers fans have always been sensible and had big, glorious balls, so seeing them defy the arbitrary decrees of tinpot tyrants comes as no surprise

452582 ▶▶ Waldorf, replying to JohnDanny, #293 of 930 🔗

Really? Because I associate them with anti-Catholic bigotry, unfortunately a thing in some parts of Scotland.

452603 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Waldorf, 2, #294 of 930 🔗

That’s ironic. You expose your own unreasonablenes, irrationality and prejudice by associating the majority of Rangers fans with the actions of a minority. That has to suck.

452876 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #295 of 930 🔗

Funny did not see the police slamming them to the ground and arresting them for gathering. Unlike the lockdown protest the day before. Hero’s.

452982 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Spikedee1, #296 of 930 🔗

There were plenty of arrests. You’re treating the two situations as if they are identical. Thousands of Rangers fans gathering in these circumstances is a different kettle of fish altogether. Old Bill knew they had to be tentative in this situation.

452227 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #297 of 930 🔗

What is the collective noun for dictators?

Is it an oppression of dictators?

452237 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Cecil B, 5, #298 of 930 🔗

A diktat?

452323 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cecil B, 3, #299 of 930 🔗

A Sage? Sorry, that was too easy wasn’t it.

452337 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #300 of 930 🔗

My suggestion would probably be deleted.

452879 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to Cecil B, #301 of 930 🔗

An abortion?

452880 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Spikedee1, #302 of 930 🔗

A styful?

452238 DevonBlueBoy, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 18, #303 of 930 🔗

Dr Susan Hopkins, Public Health England’s Strategic Response Director for COVID-19, said the population may have less immunity to respiratory viruses such as flu due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Firstly, given the cock up the PHE made of the pandemic planning we had in place it suggests that Dr. Hopkins failed miserably in her day job. Secondly she seems to missed the fact that a vast number of the deaths caused by influenza have been re-categorised as Covid deaths, so in fact the immunity is still present. I wonder how much she gets paid (and the size of her final salary, inflation proofed pension} for uttering such crap?

And as for the Chief Executive of the NHS Confederation telling us what a wonderful job the NHS has done; he would say that wouldn’t he? Once again, having no skin in the game and with his guaranteed job and massive renumeration, he sits in his ivory tower believing his own publicity.

In our part of Devon the major District Hospital cannot run all its outpatient clinics. Why? Because a lot of the nursing staff are working at the vaccination centre; the vaccination centre at which a lot of St John Ambulance volunteers could handle but have been told they’re not needed.

452252 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 10, #304 of 930 🔗

Secondly she seems to missed the fact that a vast number of the deaths caused by influenza have been re-categorised as Covid deaths, so in fact the immunity is still present.”

About half the Rona dead are those with flu-pneum-resp illnesses over the past 2 flu seasons, based on statistical analysis (roughly 25 K from spring 2020, 35 k from Oct – Feb 2021).

Many of the remaining 60 K Rona dead are heart disease, dementia (based on 10 yr stats analysis).

About 20-30 K died from, not with Rona in the UK over 2 flu seasons.

By comparison in the average year about 70 K each year in the UK, from flu-pneum-resp. So I would say we had a very bad flu year in 2020, and 2021 will be fairly normal. Avg age of death is 82. The data simply does not support LDs in which 45 K (?) have died.

You won’t see any stats analysis by this useless gov’t the useless NHS or the useless Fake News.

The data fraud using the MCCD changes in how death certs are infilled from March 2020, is simply staggering. Add in the LD dead and you have a mass murdering of the innocents.

452885 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to DevonBlueBoy, #305 of 930 🔗

She has also missed the point that phe is no longer in charge of the nhs? If you believe their published figures (which none of us do) how is 120,000 dead a success? There pandemic response was so shit they had to be rescued by an untested medical intervention. Lets all listen to what they have to say…..

452240 TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 10, #306 of 930 🔗

Hello! You’re all still here! Phew! (I’ll stop with the !).

452250 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TheHandbag, 10, #307 of 930 🔗

Yes but I it looks like this is the last day we will have this comments section, it also looks like the forums area has gone as well. This comments section isa bit like the chatting in the tea room area and hugely important much of the information I get on this hoo-haa comes via this comments section.
How do others see it, is this the last general comments day?
Has the forums section gone?
If so any suggestions as to how we take this forward?

452256 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #308 of 930 🔗

Looks like it is gone. Why? Free speech advocates shutting down comments.

Nice. Consistent. Probably because many of us mock the LDS pro drug position and rip it apart. Or maybe the deep state has groaned a few threats this way.

452259 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #309 of 930 🔗

I can see all the forums

452271 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #310 of 930 🔗

If you type forums into the search box it takes you there and they seem to be working. But no direct link and it is not clear whether they, and this comment section, will remain. Moderators, can we be told what is the plan or is the site destined to be just a bland repost of media sourced articles?

452598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ian Rons, replying to davews, 1, #311 of 930 🔗

The forums are still here, but there was a glitch that stopped the link to the forums from showing up in the menu for a couple of hours.

452261 ▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #312 of 930 🔗

What? No!!! It’s like the best, sophisticated VI common room here. With added common sense subversion.

452268 ▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #313 of 930 🔗

It says you can comment below each article, but there isn’t anywhere I can see to comment.

I suppose we could make forum space everyday for BTL comments with date on it.

452272 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheHandbag, replying to TheHandbag, 2, #314 of 930 🔗

But that feels like a vaccine passport type accommodation. What a huge pity. My New European subscription is timing out and I was going to divert the money here. Much better quality of discourse.

452267 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #315 of 930 🔗

Typesetting. The quote columns are compressed two words wide in sime places – white space either side with verticle grey quote bar taking up valuable screen space. Result, unreadable articles metres long 2 cms wide.

Much work on the new 2.0 to be done I guess. One of the good things about 1.0 was they generally well layed out design, it was readable. This 2.0 not so much.

If the comments are stopped then this site becomes just another blog. Lockdownsceptics has the vibrancy of a live community with is a central reason for individual visits. Other central components are the variety and expertise of atl artivles. Both atl and btl are of core inportance to the blogs success.

I haven’t picked up the comments are to be axed. But I equally haven’t picked up they are staying. Something to look forward to – will we be here in 24 hours?

Please sort the typography, quotes don’t need such huge indents.

452277 ▶▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #316 of 930 🔗

How about an unofficial agreement to make the main article, the de facto main comments page?

452294 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jinks, 6, #317 of 930 🔗

If you fully log out and then log back into this site you get a ‘times they are a changin’ note from Toby, you then have to click ‘
today’s up-date’ which does still give this comments for today but no forums and an indication that today’s comments section is the last one.

I was about to make a donation to this site but am now holding back to see where all these changes are leading. If as a result of these changes others do not donate then the site will presumably fold. Maybe that is the plan, now Hitchens has baled out perhaps they all want to throw in the towel and move on?

452306 ▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #318 of 930 🔗

I’d like to see the link to the BTL comments restored to the top of the page rather than having to scroll down. It’s even worse on a mobile device.

I also meant to add that the “login” link also needs to be restored to the top.

452249 PastImperfect, 48, #319 of 930 🔗

Meme from Facebook


452254 Covid_sceptic, replying to Covid_sceptic, 9, #320 of 930 🔗

Suzanne Hopkins: less immunity to respiratory viruses such as flu ‘due to the coronavirus pandemic’? Or ‘due to stringent lockdown measures with multiple knock-on effects that weren’t factored in, including a compromised immune response due to our immune systems forced dormancy?’

452295 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Covid_sceptic, 5, #321 of 930 🔗

History of infectious diseases: better health, sanitation, waste removal, cleanliness, food, diet, exercise and vitamins equated into massive reductions of infectious diseases.

All infectious diseases were on a massive decline BEFORE vaccatinations were forced on us.

Ergo, LDs are not only illegal, immoral, but also counter-productive. You want people in the natural enviornment, not in choke points, excercising, ingesting vitamins, juices, water, good diets and for those at risk, you can quarantine them. LD is not quarantining. It is simply destroying and is anti-science.

452274 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 19, #322 of 930 🔗

Is it just me who finds it strange that Toby states that all restrictions will be lifted on 21st June on the new home page without questioning this? I wonder whether I have become so jaded and negative that I am rejecting this as any sort of truth and making things worse for myself. I cannot see how the Govt and their advisers are going to relinquish that much of the power they have seized over every aspect of our lives. Do others think I am pessimistic, or realistic?

452276 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #323 of 930 🔗

Also the summer solstice
Moloch will be pleased

452279 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #324 of 930 🔗

Virgin sacrifies at Stonehenge to the God of Covid and the Holy Spirit of Experimental Drugs? (bring your own cocaine and RNA)

452305 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to FerdIII, 5, #325 of 930 🔗

The date did not escape me
The Covidian elite believe in all that stuff

452320 ▶▶▶▶▶ jb12, replying to Crystal Decanter, 8, #326 of 930 🔗

The began the lockdown a couple of days after the spring equinox, they put their ‘curfew’ in on the autumnal equinox and announced harsher restrictions on a blue moon on Halloween (the latter announced on a Saturday due to leaks to the press – make up your own mind on that one.)

452416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to jb12, 8, #327 of 930 🔗

Is this a satanic takeover? Nothing would surprise me anymore.

452449 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jos, 4, #328 of 930 🔗

Which bit of their behaviour over the past year has caused you any doubt ? 🙂

452446 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Crystal Decanter, 4, #329 of 930 🔗

It’s not a belief system. Equinoxes and Solstices are natural events.

As such, they are there for the bad guys to use, sure, but also the good guys.

452938 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crystal Decanter, #330 of 930 🔗

As did the Nazis!

452283 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #331 of 930 🔗

Totally realistic. Not going to happen. The ‘roadmap’ is just a list of ‘maybes’, ‘ifs’ and ‘only’s, with more get outs than a collander. One of the conditions is no variants. Within five days of publishing, they had a new variant. And so it will go…

452287 ▶▶ ThomasT, replying to Charlie Blue, 13, #332 of 930 🔗

From the sounds of it they are all lining up the seeds in our brains that covid will come back with vengeance come September with some of the things they are saying now.

So my thoughts are they will ease up on the lockdowns come 21st June, but encourage people to remain “safe” with masks & social distancing. That will give us July & August “free”, then come September/October when the normal yearly respiratory illnesses come, they will use that as “proof” theres another covid variant and because lockdowns are now the normal way to handle such things, we will be back in another lockdown ready for winter. Or, they may use lockdowns as a threat or means to force people to have another covid “vaccine”. Either you have the vaccine or we lock you down, which do you prefer?

452290 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to ThomasT, 4, #333 of 930 🔗

Yes that will be the plan. Diapers seem to be here forever. Once you diaper you have no argument against the madness of LDs. Salami slicing is what the fascists do. Slice by slice they make you eat their fake data, fake propaganda.

452452 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FerdIII, 1, #334 of 930 🔗

They slice it, we do not have to eat it. Ffs.

452299 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to ThomasT, 7, #335 of 930 🔗

If they give us freedom, then try to take it back, even the sheeple will balk, so they can’t let us out. Masks and SD are the real evils in this, with those, we are still being abused, there will just be more places open where you can be abused.

452302 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to ThomasT, 14, #336 of 930 🔗

Not Covid in September, but flu, as Susan Hopkins says. So they won’t even need lots of positive PCR tests to lock us down again. Because we locked down to save the NHS last year, we will need to lock down to save the NHS next year because locking down has made things worse for them by swapping one infectious disease for another.

I told lots of people over the summer that essentially existing in a sterile world would have serious ramifications for the future. Humans need immune challenge, the only reason the common cold isn’t more serious is because we’ve been exposed to it time and time again. Of course I was a granny killer for saying that, or a covidiot, or a covid denier, or not an immunologist/virologist, or not following the science etc etc.

However perhaps it won’t matter for most people. They won’t care half so much if granny dies from flu this year (“it’s just flu”) so long as she didn’t see her family last year to avoid dying from Covid.

452309 ▶▶▶ JME, replying to ThomasT, 5, #337 of 930 🔗

I just wonder if the numbers will be added to next winter with all the ADEs from the “vaccines” which they won’t admit is the cause, so they will push more “vaccines” (or boosters)for all the new variants & it will just develop into a vicious cycle every winter.

452937 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #338 of 930 🔗

dePiffle very carefully states “ not before June 21st”

452278 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 39, #339 of 930 🔗

Anyone trying to compare potential vaccine passports with driving licences (‘Well, you need a driving licence to drive a car, don’t’cha!’) is either stupid or being disingenuous. Such a comparison is vitiated by disanalogy. Not having a driving licence does not prevent you from getting a cab or lift from a pal to the airport and flying to your holiday destinatuon, or to the restaurant and enjoying your beef cannelloni. Potentially, not having a ‘vaccine passport’ or ‘certificate’ will make it *illigal* for you to get on that plane or eat in that restaurant. This would turn on its head the idea that liberty is a natural and fundamental right, and would turn ‘liberty’ into a conditional ‘right,’ making a complete mockery of the term.

452285 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JohnDanny, 21, #340 of 930 🔗

I vote for stupid.

A driver’s license proves I can drive a car safely without killing others. I can choose (as many do in London) not to pursue a driver’s license and take public transport. My rights, my choice. I am, as you said, not limited by this, and can still participate in society.

An experimental drug injection, for poisons still in testing, rushed, with RNA and aborted fetal cells are being put into me. I am not ‘learning’ how to inject. I am being forcbily injected. Coerced. If I refuse, I am denied participation in society. It is not my choice, but that of CV fascists and the state, in which their coercion is unsupported by evidence, science or basic immunology. My rights and life are now denied.

Comparing a DL with the Drugs, is as stupid as LDS and ‘experts’ equating mRNA drugs with ‘normal vaccines’ which do not change your genome (and historically are largely useless, contrary to modern propaganda). No conflation or relationship exists.

452292 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to FerdIII, 3, #341 of 930 🔗

RIght up there with masks versus seat belts!

452432 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to FerdIII, #342 of 930 🔗

I vote for disingenuous. You’re too nice a person, FerdIII.

452281 Two-Six, 8, #343 of 930 🔗

Phew this looks reasonably normal.

452289 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 4, #344 of 930 🔗

Anyone noticed that the comments attached to previous days are not accessible from that days’ page? May be a technical glitch.

452307 ▶▶ Julian, replying to godowneasy, #345 of 930 🔗

There’s always Mabel Cow’s splendid mirror site: https://www.panscepticon.org/ls/index.htm

452293 Redundant Pilot, replying to Redundant Pilot, 25, #346 of 930 🔗

Ok, some slightly more positive news for everyone…..


This was a live streamed interview yesterday with our hero Reiner Fuellmich. It tells us how the criminal prosecutions are going, and that they are about to lay another 12 cases against the PCR rubbish.

The only thing that I keep thinking is every time I hear him speak about how others around the world are taking up the baton too, he mentions different countries such as Italy, Holland, Israel etc but he has never ever mentioned the U.K.

This worries me, but I keep thinking, it’s a pack of cards. It will take one ruling even in the US and the whole thing will come crashing down. There was also talk of Nuremberg 2.0, they are looking at getting all the lawyers together to do this.

452354 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Redundant Pilot, 3, #347 of 930 🔗

Yes it seems as if the UK is missing in action

452373 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Redundant Pilot, 16, #348 of 930 🔗

Our government of occupation are are a lawless cabal of pshchopaths, incapable of being enguaged with on any sensible level. They are out of control and beyond the reach of every long-standing institution that is supposed to protect the uk’s population from such an abuse of power.

The UK is at the centre of the covid scam and the UK’s deep state is at the centre of the covidian web of global deception.

452426 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 2, #349 of 930 🔗

Correct, 2-6.

Fuck ’em …

452543 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #350 of 930 🔗

Thanks for posting this, it was a good watch and does bring some hope.

But yes, the other comments are right. UK is the capital of this scam it seems. You only have to look at WHO, WEF etc. to see they’re populated by many Brits.

452944 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Redundant Pilot, #351 of 930 🔗

They will go for the ones they are most likely to win, in order to set a precedent and make the rest easier.

452298 JayBee, 12, #352 of 930 🔗

The UK variant B.1.1.7 is now dominant in Germany.

Like much of Europe, the country has had restrictions in place for months.

But Germans always could and still can travel abroad.
Without exit papers and without a demand of special testing.
Ditch all the travel restrictions and make sure Brits aren’t discriminated against abroad, immediately.
Effing morons in Westminster.

452301 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 4, #353 of 930 🔗

There are some things no one with an IQ above 50 cannot have an opinion on and on which one must be either proor contra.
Sorry, Guy.

452311 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JayBee, 10, #354 of 930 🔗

Another limp wrist isn’t he. ‘I have no opinon on the death camps. Some people find them offensive and intrusive. Some, including the establishment and experts do not. It is not for me to have an opinion on such complex issues.’ Baa Baa.

452348 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to FerdIII, 1, #355 of 930 🔗

spot on

452386 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 2, #356 of 930 🔗

“I know which side my bread is buttered, so I am getting off at the junction ahead. The death cap awaits you all”

452424 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JayBee, #357 of 930 🔗

Why apologise – the guy’s lost it. Hopefully a couple of days off, with nature, beer, and a dog or two can heal him.

452893 ▶▶ Spikedee1, replying to JayBee, #358 of 930 🔗

Yes and why do the keep publishing this crap? I don’t care what you think about something somebody wrote about you. Just Fuck Off! There are much better LS stories and opinions in the Round up. Why are these not prominent and crap like The phe bitch and Guy as items I want to see.

452303 CrazyHoarse, 9, #359 of 930 🔗

I’d heartily recommend the latest Delingpod with Illana Rachel Daniel. But be warned it’s compelling but bleak listening; I was listening on my way into work this morning and good grief it makes me want to despair. Stop the Planet of the Apes – I Want to Get Off

452304 Julian, replying to Julian, 9, #360 of 930 🔗

I don’t understand the new format of the site. The home page has no news on it, but has a link to “today’s update” which seems to be like the old home page minus the link at the top to go straight to comments, meaning you have to scroll down. It also has a link to “latest news” which seems like the old home page minus any comments. I can’t see any stories you can comment individually on. Maybe it’s work in progress.

452313 ▶▶ mj, replying to Julian, 2, #361 of 930 🔗

i think this is base state for the new format. So they have done a normal update and then as new items are created these will be added to the “latest news” page as they are completed . And at some point tonight the today’s latest news page will become the today’s update for tomorrow

452310 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 13, #362 of 930 🔗

The lack of immunity against future flus is exactly what Prof. Gupta raised as a concern from the very start.
We only had moderate death tolls over the last century because we developed and passed on immunity through having been impacted by the Spanish flu.
So Lockdowns don’t prevent deaths, neither flu deaths, at most they defer them and change who dies, mainly the young and healthy instead of the old and sick.

452383 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JayBee, 1, #363 of 930 🔗

Kick the Can Generation.

We did it with the fiancnial problems, the environmental problems, the Corona problems. We just buy time in tbe hope that some e will invent some way of solving it.

Well, they have, and you are unfortunately deemed surplus to requirements now.

452312 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 5, #364 of 930 🔗

Ok, new look website.
Question: what’s happened to all the various articles that used to be listed on the right-hand side?
Is there any way of finding those?

452347 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to LMS2, 1, #365 of 930 🔗

Damned if I can find them. I understand the rationale for altering the way the daily updates were produced but there seems to have been some severe collateral damage to the way the rest of the site functioned. Hopefully this will get sorted out soon.

452605 ▶▶ Ian Rons, replying to LMS2, 3, #366 of 930 🔗

That was a SNAFU, now corrected.

452314 Bill Sanderson, 5, #367 of 930 🔗

You’ve done a great job for all of us sceptics during a year when we needed good arguments against the prevailing orthodoxy -you provided them, and I’m happy you are still doing that for us.

452319 Liberty, replying to Liberty, 14, #368 of 930 🔗

Morning all! We’ve sent our 15 year old off on the bus this morning with his exemption note in his pocket. He’s to go and see the Head ASAP to get his official exemption note. I know 2 more friends children in his school who are doing the same. So far the Head seems quite relaxed. Today should be quite telling, who has bought the narrative and who has woken up? Looking forward to my 4pm catch up with my son about the weird world of masked school and what it’s like for him being a dissenter.
Our kids are out on day release,
What will their day entail?
Will all their peer group be in masks,
When out from lockdown jail?
My children won’t be testing,
The masks they will eschew,
Will other children do the same?
That might give us a clue.
We’ll know how many parents,
Think the mask rule is a farce
How many will stand up this?
How many won’t be a#sed?

452331 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Liberty, 17, #369 of 930 🔗

I’m concerned about potential bullying of children who do not wear masks/have the tests. Government has created an atmosphere of suspicion and stigma/shame. This atmosphere is clearly prevalent in society outside of schools, and it seems inevitable it will filter down to schools.

452335 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to JohnDanny, 11, #370 of 930 🔗

True – but they will need to grow a spine and stand up for themselves
Being a rebel will eventually become cool again
Spirit of ’76

452344 ▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Crystal Decanter, 6, #371 of 930 🔗

Like our fellow ‘grown-ups’ have demonstrated they have a spine when faced with this bollocks?

One can only hope that, since these children will be largely the children of good maverick parents, they’ll be instilled with such traits.

452393 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 13, #372 of 930 🔗

The point is that children and adolescents should never have been placed in such a position. That is criminal in itself.

The recent HART debate on the treatment of children between three professionals is worth watching if you haven’t done so already.

One of the points made by the psychologist involved was very potent : that, since March 2020, we are seeing complicit parents behaving in ways that would have raised child safeguarding issues prior to that. What we are seeing is the inducing of behaviour that emulates collective Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy.

As to the teaching unions – I am without words to condemn sufficiently their complicity in child abuse, whether through stupifying ignorance or direct culpability.

… and I speak as someone who – admittedly many moons ago – was a one-time member and representative of one of them. Having talked with contemporaries who also started out in that way, we cannot conceive of the same circumstances arising at that time c.50+ years ago when we had grown up with others’ living experience of totalitarianism.

452420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 5, #373 of 930 🔗

‘The point is that children and adolescents should never have been placed in such a position. That is criminal in itself.’


452934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to RickH, #374 of 930 🔗

Absolutely! Couldn’t agree more.

452418 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnDanny, 4, #375 of 930 🔗

If the parents are spineless, normal teenage behaviour should ensure a large rebellion. 🙂

452352 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #376 of 930 🔗


452355 ▶▶▶ WasSteph, replying to JohnDanny, 15, #377 of 930 🔗

I’m really hoping the other kids will be envious. I’m afraid there may well be some bullying but the majority of kids must be hating it. If it makes some of them go home to their parents and say “Freddie doesn’t wear a mask and I don’t want to either” then it’s another little chink in the wall.

452411 ▶▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to WasSteph, 5, #378 of 930 🔗

That’s an interesting point. Imagine if enough children rebelled and pointed out to their parents the absurd and malevolent nature of being made to wear face coverings and undergo biweekly testing… How deliciously ironic would it be if this were to happen and be the catalyst for the restoration of common sense!

452458 ▶▶▶▶▶ muzzle, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #379 of 930 🔗

From my point of view, the testing consent form is the first thing in a year that I have had any control over in the whole sorry mess. It’s been my first opportunity to say no to something!

452422 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to WasSteph, 1, #380 of 930 🔗

Go Freddie !

452351 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Liberty, 5, #381 of 930 🔗

Well done! So good to see you protecting your child!! Masks and tests are child abuse and detrimental to physical and mental health

452381 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Liberty, 4, #382 of 930 🔗

So so important you have done this. Thank you.

452454 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Liberty, 3, #383 of 930 🔗

Neither of my kids are being tested. I got a direct query from one teacher last week checking we had not forgotten to attend the test but I just said that we are not taking part and will be in lessons today as normal and that was all accepted. Not sure how the face masks will go. I suspect many teachers will allow them to be removed in class which was the case in Autumn.

452928 ▶▶ gina, replying to Liberty, #384 of 930 🔗

Hope your boy has had a good day.
My grandson’s school, despite my daughter following all the advice suggested on here a few days ago, has steadfastly decreed that any student not masked will be put in an alternative room and only access classes online.
My grandson, has been concerned by his mother’s anger and distress and consequently has been at pains to reassure his mother that she shouldn’t worry, he will be ok wearing a mask.
My grandson is a thoughtful, kind, intelligent, articulate 15 year old self confessed ‘nerd.’ So, he’s wearing a mask that he doesn’t want to wear in an attempt to spare his mother.

452328 Jo Starlin, replying to Jo Starlin, 27, #385 of 930 🔗

Reading the Susan Hopkins interview ATL, it really couldn’t be clearer that the public health lobby are fanatic cultists who hate all human contact and whose only desire is to keep us in this misery for all eternity.

Also, to hear her talk about reduced natural immunity to flu and other viruses over the past year because of lack of exposure, well, words fail me.

452345 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo Starlin, 13, #386 of 930 🔗

Yes – the pompous misdirection was incredible.

‘Public Health’ as a dilettante pursuit has proved more dangerous than any tendency to read bomb-making manuals.

452431 ▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to RickH, 1, #387 of 930 🔗

Nice aphorism, Rick- I might appropriate it.

452332 James Leary #KBF, 24, #388 of 930 🔗

Yes, quite!

452339 steve_w, 4, #389 of 930 🔗

Zoe update

452341 Dame Lynet, replying to Dame Lynet, 27, #390 of 930 🔗

Guy still missing the mark comparing tests for competence to perform an activity with coerced invasive, untested and irreversible medical interventions.

My Mum lived to nearly 90 without ever having driven a car or performing open-heart surgery as she wasn’t deemed competent to do either, but she could shop for food, go to a pub, concert or cinema and go on holiday.

These activities are being touted as problematic for the future unvaxxed, maybe subject to a passport, and cynically not being categorically denied by govt. This is why it is of concern.

452363 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dame Lynet, 12, #391 of 930 🔗

Yes. I have enjoyed Guy de la Bédoyère’s pieces, but he seems to have got terminally confused on this one, and has resorted to doubling down rather than backing out.

He is far too intelligent not to be able to see the falsity of the parallels that he was making between a state’s usual process of protecting borders (a process that had been loosened in Europe), the certification of competence to undertake a potentially dangerous task in public – and the denial of basic bodily sovereignty on fictitious and whimsical grounds.

… apart from the fact that some of us still remember a generation that went to war in order to establish the conventions of essential liberty that accrued.

Many of us are speechless at the sight of so many fellow ‘citizens’ fearfully lining up with the ghost of Mengele.

452465 ▶▶▶ Dame Lynet, replying to RickH, #392 of 930 🔗

I was getting a whiff of Neil Ferguson reading this latest – not pleasant.

452343 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #393 of 930 🔗

There appear to be two places you can leave comments, depending on which banner you press. This one has currently 260, the other has 18. Never the Clemens shall meet. I’m used to sites becoming more & more unnavigable as the ‘designers’ are let loose, but I recommend a human checks their work before pushing the button.

452350 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #394 of 930 🔗

I liked how it was before – am undecided how this will turn out

I don’t know why they couldn’t just update in the afternoon – you don’t have to write copy through the night and update at 5am!

452364 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to steve_w, 8, #395 of 930 🔗

If this is the final state it seems significantly inferior to me

452380 ▶▶ TJN, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #396 of 930 🔗

Busy today, so haven’t got time to peruse all the comments. But the loss of this daily forum would be a serious blow. I’ve always thought the daily update was a great hanger for the many and varied discussions which appeared btl. Maybe there could have been a technical section, where the excellent posts by swedenborg et al could be repeated and not lost, but apart from that I’ve thought it works very well (some of the rare abusive stuff aside).

All-in-all, for me this btl forum has been a 21st-century equivalent of the Putney Debates.

It would be an awful shame to lose it.

If anyone could direct me to other threads on here today which offer any answers I’d be grateful.

452429 ▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #397 of 930 🔗

Do you remember Brian Clemens, as in “Albert Fennell and Brian Clemens”- they series-produced The Avengers and a lot of similar TV series in the ‘sixties. He was, apparently, a direct male descendent of Sammy.

452581 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Dermot McClatchey, #398 of 930 🔗

I do! And the Prisoner – my favourite and prescient for these times. But – notalotta people know that! Well done.

452611 ▶▶ Ian Rons, replying to James Leary #KBF, #399 of 930 🔗

Thanks James, but nobody here is a — how shall I put it? — “designer”.

452359 WasSteph, 4, #400 of 930 🔗

. I believe you are a teacher? It would be great to get an early report from you, and any other teachers here, how it’s progressing.

452365 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #401 of 930 🔗


This is a serious well considered twitter thread about the absolute danger of introducing a vaccine in an ongoing pandemic. This is from Gert van der Bosche,a virologist who has even been working for GAVI.He is not considering anything about the dangers of the vaccine in itself and does not go into that at all. It is the timing of introducing the vaccine which is a catastrophe according to him. It make sense and we always vaccinated for flu BEFORE the flu season.

452375 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to swedenborg, #402 of 930 🔗

Thank Swedenborg. Saw the Geert Vanden Bosche youtube video that someone kindly posted below but hadn’t seen the twitter thread.


452493 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #403 of 930 🔗

At the moment I can’t watch the youtube seemed to have been removed. Very concerning.Pure censorship for a virologists who has no safety concern of the vaccines but discuss a possible danger of introducing them in the wrong time period.Purely scientific argument.Censorship of this hypothesis is mediveal obscurantism. Hope the interview will appear somewhere else.Should be a topic for LD sceptic. A scandal.

452564 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #404 of 930 🔗
452378 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 2, #405 of 930 🔗

I’d seen this before talked about here

We discussed on LDS BTL at the time. It’s off the scale frightening stuff to consider the risks being taken even if there is a miniscule chance of it happening

452387 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to swedenborg, 4, #406 of 930 🔗

Absolutely. Pfizer actually made this point, in their briefing document.
Aside from admitting theirs was an “investigational” vaccine [p.8] they also say, “A vaccine must be introduced before the peak of reported cases to have a significant impact on the pandemic course” [p.74]


452388 ▶▶ Binra, replying to swedenborg, 5, #407 of 930 🔗

Perhaps the desire to run global trials of AI tracked biohacking as the basis for a ‘new biotech™ system of genetic control is simply overriding all and any other consideration as the ‘opportunity of the age’. Not just social engineering, but the tooling of human attributes or sub species) and the interface to technical augmentation and of course replacement of the human weakness, susceptibility, and unworthiness – that can all manifest as obstacles or opposition to the monopolar mindset of possession and control.

In my view the vaccine is a means of perpetuating the fear-threat conditions for the ongoing human experimentation.

452366 rockoman, 10, #408 of 930 🔗

Somebody posted this link further down;


This is very heartening for two reasons:

It shows that people are yearning for a retun to a fully human life.

It will inevitably build pressure elsewhere in the US as people see that those in the free states are not sccumbing to the dreaded lurgi.

452368 Binra, 5, #409 of 930 🔗

Those who are not aware of the heritage of coercion and deceit are condemned to repeat it, propagate it and spread its contagion, even while leading the crusade against it.
When you get tired of lies, you are no longer willing to run them as your cover story.

452369 The Filthy Engineer, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 15, #410 of 930 🔗

Looking at the official figures for yesterday: 992,812 tests vs 5177 “positives” we must be well into the realms of false positives dominating the figures now?

452377 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 11, #411 of 930 🔗

i am no statistician but I would guess that the number of +ve (cases) is not statistically significant and we should now declare zero covid pack up the circus and all go home.

452382 ▶▶ leggy, replying to The Filthy Engineer, 5, #412 of 930 🔗

Actually, positives are a little below what I’d expect accounting for false positives, even with increasing use of LFT (now approx 2/3 of total). There’s no doubt in my mind that the cycle threshold has been dialled down for PCR.

452412 ▶▶▶ peyrole, replying to leggy, 4, #413 of 930 🔗

I am monitoring the UK/French comparison. Death rates stay similar, a little higher in France, but the same trend since the ‘great fall-off’ of the UK rate in Feb. ‘Cases’ are completely different. A clear indication that LFT and lower CTs being used in UK , while France continuing with PCRs at higher CTs.
One country needs to demonstrate ‘vaccine’ efficacy, the other doesn’t.

452371 Basileus, 11, #414 of 930 🔗

Care home deaths and vaccine link:


All COVID-19 pandemic propaganda is based on saving old people’s lives, but turns out that they are used as test animals. The idea about it came after I found out that people in care homes are forced to take the COVID-19 vaccine and many die after it. The video below reports that about 25% of the people in care home died while 36 % have severe adverse effects.

452374 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 12, #415 of 930 🔗

Brilliant piece.
Welcome To The Inversion | ZeroHedge
Probably a bit uncomfortable reading for Toby, Hitchens, Sumption&o, who don’t seem to have made up their mind on quitting the inside for good yet….
And for the upvote gang, or for the whiner(s)who pathetically complain about their posts being downvoted here….

452408 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 8, #416 of 930 🔗

Terrific article – it really is ‘worth reading in full’

452488 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to rockoman, 7, #417 of 930 🔗

A society that corrupts science, the basis for discovering, describing, and employing reality, is doomed. Honest science requires free inquiry and debate. It is a never-ending process of proposing, testing, evaluating, revising and discarding hypotheses for new ones with more explanatory and predictive power. There is no such thing as settled science. The claims that there is with regards to climate, coronaviruses, or any other scientific issue are nothing more than admissions that the purported science is propaganda. Unchallenged science is a contradiction in terms; challenge is the lifeblood of science.”

Scientism. Nazis and Communists had settled science.

452450 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to JayBee, 1, #418 of 930 🔗

So good, thanks for sharing!

452466 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to JayBee, 5, #419 of 930 🔗

The madness and utter stupidity of crowds….leading to Totalitarianism.
LDS et al who are ‘unsure’ about the jabs, the poisons, the fake data, the dead from the jabs, won’t be saved by their ‘piety’. Quite the inverse. Herded like the rest of us into the cattle cars.

“To think for yourself or believe with the group? To stand alone or cower with the crowd? It’s the conflict between the individual and the collective, and between what’s true and what’s believed.

We live in an age of fear. It’s not fear of germs, war, poverty or any other tangible threat that most besets humanity. It’s the fear of being disliked and ostracized by the group.”

452394 SimonCook, replying to SimonCook, 8, #420 of 930 🔗

Whilst persuing the Gov Tender website for work, I happened upon this…

Provision of RT-qPCR Results Analysis Software Solution Department of Health and Social Care (T&T)Published date: 3 March 2021

The Authority has a requirement to procure an RT-qPCR Results Analysis software solution for use by a number of the Lighthouse Laboratories undertaking Covid-19 testing. The existing contract is nearing expiration and there is a requirement for the service to be re-procured.

The contract will be tendered via an open tender procedure with planned service go-live by July 2021 for a contract period of up to 36 months – an initial 12 months plus optional two 1-year extensions.


452559 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to SimonCook, 1, #421 of 930 🔗

3 more years eh! stop getting tested

452610 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to SimonCook, 3, #422 of 930 🔗

But, but, Bowis said we will be fwee on 21st June. He pwomised!

452612 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #423 of 930 🔗

And why does it need to be ‘re-procured’? Something wrong with the current provider??

452396 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 15, #424 of 930 🔗

Morning fellow inmates.

I noticed for the first time this weekend that the Telegraph had started publishing stories on the front page asking questions about the safety of the various Covid stabs.

Now everything is bumped down by endless streams of gibberish about Ginge and Whinge.

452409 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Katabasis, 3, #425 of 930 🔗

G and W? Love it!

452474 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Katabasis, 2, #426 of 930 🔗

Haha Ginge and Whinge – I’m nabbing that one!

452407 Katabasis, replying to Katabasis, 16, #427 of 930 🔗

“Fans and artists must have Covid vaccine before attending music festivals, say organisers”

This is going to be a big bellwether for me. Music, festivals and just generally singing and dancing with other people is a very important part of my life.

If the above goes ahead and I can’t attend live music without a vaxxpass then my life is definitely over (because of course it won’t just stop at music festivals…) and my existence will then just be one of total war against the establishment.

452417 ▶▶ Liewe, replying to Katabasis, 8, #428 of 930 🔗

I’m sure there will be a huge market for fake vaxx passes. Business opportunity, anyone?

452504 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Liewe, 6, #429 of 930 🔗

I am looking for fake documentation, can anyone point me in the right direction?
A year ago i would never had said such a thing but after a year of devious, vicious, lying and despicable totalitarian government by Pol-Pot in a romper suit – anything goes.

452845 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Steve Martindale, #430 of 930 🔗

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

any thing of interest in that area will be posted by our little birds who frequent the darkest corners of the web so you don’t have to

452442 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Katabasis, 2, #431 of 930 🔗

You won’t be alone. I’ve 4 sets of tickets for festivals and music events in the bag already.

452445 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Katabasis, 3, #432 of 930 🔗

Fake it till you make it
This is not going to be an issue

452471 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Katabasis, 5, #433 of 930 🔗

They’re trying to scare people into getting jabbed. I’m a bit worried about my kid who works in the music industry too. I can’t see it working.

452525 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Katabasis, 6, #434 of 930 🔗

Strange, a leading ticket selling company in Germany had to back down after 2 days after publishing they will demand proof of vaccination due to potential ticket buyers saying “no”.
Well, the British are sheep, aren’t they?

452542 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Katabasis, 9, #435 of 930 🔗

I love going to concerts, but I think that some artists are on our side , so smaller gigs are the way to go. People like Ian Mccnabb, Ian Brown, and Noel Gallagher are talking sense. Money talks

452589 ▶▶ Portnadler, replying to Katabasis, 1, #436 of 930 🔗

I’m pretty sure you have nothing to worry about – this one is going to die a death. It’s a parrot.

452413 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #437 of 930 🔗

Mask mouth causes gum disease, which increases coronavirus death risk by 900%

Masks cause gum disease, which means masks increase risk of coronavirus death



452436 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 2, #438 of 930 🔗

Sorry, Victoria but these bits of journalism are just confused bullshit – of the sort more often associated with the other side.

Basically they are just rehearsing the well-known (and pre-Covid) association between oral health and other disease (particularly heart disease). Someone with poor gums is flagging up greater vulnerability.

It’s the old ‘correlation doesn’t mean causation’.

452441 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to RickH, 6, #439 of 930 🔗

Fight fire with fire.

I’m all for reason and logic, but as you may have noticed, they aren’t working.

452425 FerdIII, replying to FerdIII, 13, #441 of 930 🔗

Same with every infectious disease. Health, diet, vitamins, santiation, cleanliness kills the disease. Jabs get the credit. Ka ching. Ka ching.

452437 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to FerdIII, 4, #442 of 930 🔗


Lower PCR thresholds

452482 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to FerdIII, 3, #443 of 930 🔗

Look into vaccine entry points. Very much a tried and true system based on the Johnny come lately approach

452428 Victoria, 4, #444 of 930 🔗

Just another MP @vickyford who is happy to abuse children


I would love to see a public debate between Vicky Ford & Dr Margareta Griesz-Brisson who has despite tried to sound the alarm on the irreparable brain-damage masking children causes.

The Minister would be so out of her depth the policy would tank.


452440 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #445 of 930 🔗

Posting here again. Apologies as this new format has messed me up a bit:

Tide turning even more?

Yesterday while enjoying my lunch in a park, I overheard two friends in their 60s talking about the vaccine.

The woman told her male friend that her mother who I suspect is in her 80s to 90s has declined the second dose after falling ill following the first dose. The woman elaborated that her mother is still not feeling 100% better.

How many more people are declining the second dose? Apart from the fact that more and more are declining the vaccine.

452495 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #446 of 930 🔗

I sat and listened, biting my tongue, to my brothers wife explain how her mum has had a swollen arm for two weeks since the jab. Not a normal bumb, but a swollen arm which is giving her neck pain as the added weight on that side isn’t natural.

The conversation that followed between my own mum and others in attendance was total acceptance of this. As if it’s just normal. I said nothing until later when the subject of kids and vaccines came up. I hit the roof. They’ve bought into the possibility already. I’m on my own for now.

452524 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #447 of 930 🔗

It’s funny how many people dismiss those feeling unwell after the vaccine as “shows it’s working.” Will they be saying that when the person dies or the Bell’s Palsy becomes permanent?

452567 ▶▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #448 of 930 🔗

A close friend said to me the other day (post vaccine) that he had felt a little under the weather for a couple of days “as you might expect after vaccination” so I asked him if he had had similar side effects from previous vaccines. He thought for a minute and then said.”Well, I suppose not”.

I am almost certain that when they have the vaccine they are being told that they ‘might be knocked for six or have swellings for a few days but that is to be expected and nothing to worry about’. Hence people think it’s normal and many aren’t reporting side effects unless they are actually hospitalised….and even many of those cases probably don’t get reported because the victims have more pressing things to think about.

452667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Dodderydude, 2, #449 of 930 🔗

With voluntary reporting and people being told to expect the worst after the jab, there’s no question the number of adverse events is multiples of what is being reported.

452736 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dodderydude, #450 of 930 🔗

I won’t be surprised if that’s what they’re being told and they’re not bothering to report if they’re feeling funny. Until it becomes far worse.

452762 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, #451 of 930 🔗

As the old joke says, “The operation (or “vaccine”) was a success. Unfortunately the patient died.”

452443 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #452 of 930 🔗

re testing & masks at school

 Child abuse. This is what the Govt, with the help of schools that comply, is doing.

Don’t let them. Simply say NO


As millions of pupils go back to school in England, data scientist Professor Anthony Brookes says testing pupils for coronavirus and making them wear face masks in the classroom is “child abuse.”

Watch talkRADIO live ► http:// youtu.be/XFL2Ua364R4


452473 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 15, #453 of 930 🔗

I was just contemplating how twisted things currently are.

Some years ago, readers may recall that there was a case in Kirklees where a Teaching Assistant was dismissed because she would not relinquish wearing a niqab in school.

At the time, I was chair of governors at a school that had children from a vast range of backgrounds; I recall that 20-25 different languages were spoken in the homes. It was a brilliant, happy and welcoming school, with a majority of families coming from S. Asian, muslim backgrounds. (I remember some Ofsted twat asking what we did for ‘social cohesion’ – favourite buzz-word at the time, and being tempted to tell him to just get off his arse, walk around and ask to find out).

Anyway – although we’d never had any conflict like this niqab issue, the Head and I did briefly discuss what we should do if the issue of face covering ever did crop up.

We had no hesitancy in agreeing that covering your face was not acceptable in a school, given the crucial role of facial expression in communication, and that no religious belief could ultimately trump that fact.

So what the f. is this nonsense all about, where the only belief involved is a belief in a nest of fictions?

452503 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 4, #454 of 930 🔗

It’s the veil of virtue signalling being pulled away from so many people. Ultimately they seem selfish and adopt self serving positions while fronting it with concern for kids, talk of freedoms, talk of deeply held beliefs.

And they do so in such grand terms as to make it sound plausible.

The reality is they tell themselves whatever story makes their life easy. They do not care until it actually hurts them directly. Everything else is just an act.

452456 JayBee, replying to JayBee, 7, #455 of 930 🔗

He’s onto something here: things are not going according go plan, so they had to and will have to double down on our subjugations.
Maybe Free Americans are our only hope now, if and as things escalate quickly there.
European countries and people certainly seem more f*cked and resigned to all this it at the moment.

452491 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to JayBee, 3, #456 of 930 🔗

Yes, it is actually very encouraging looking at the scenes from the free states.

452460 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 8, #458 of 930 🔗

I know that many here avoid Arsebook but I was crying with laughter last night at some of the comments under this post about these ‘I’ve had my Covid Vaccination’ badges.

Top two imo are ‘To be worn with pride’ alongside ‘Badges over body bags’

Seems the infantalising of the population is complete.

(6) Hartley Graphics – Posts | Facebook

452496 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Mic67, 12, #459 of 930 🔗

Look at the comments. Absolutely insane. Retards squealing with delight over getting an experimental drug. Begging for more shots…..what a society of phucking half wits.

452545 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Mic67, 3, #460 of 930 🔗


452558 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #461 of 930 🔗

hahaha omg ‘to be worn with pride’

452566 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #462 of 930 🔗

Bahahaha!! So true

452462 Old Trout, replying to Old Trout, 77, #463 of 930 🔗

Please, please Toby et al, DO NOT remove the ‘communal’ BTL comments section and chop it up into separate comments on each article. I am not exaggerating when I say this section is a literal life-line to a large number of people, many of whom are close to despair. This is not just a place to discuss lockdown matters, it is a community where people who may otherwise feel ostracized from society, even their own family, can feel accepted and free to speak. I for one am not sure how I will be able to cope without the BTL comments section.

If others on here feel like me, please urge the editorial team to reconsider the changes, as maybe they don’t realise the impact this will have on so many of us.

452464 ▶▶ l835, replying to Old Trout, 16, #464 of 930 🔗

I don’t like the new format.

452469 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Old Trout, 10, #465 of 930 🔗

Seconded, OT.

452499 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Katabasis, 6, #466 of 930 🔗

… and thirded.

452479 ▶▶ JME, replying to Old Trout, 8, #467 of 930 🔗

Well said!

452486 ▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Old Trout, 17, #468 of 930 🔗

If it ain’t broken don’t fix it..

452790 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Bruce Reynolds, #469 of 930 🔗

The opposite of Silicon Valley’s business plan. Bill Gates would be in the poorhouse if he had heeded that advise.

452492 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Old Trout, 10, #470 of 930 🔗

You can email Toby & Will @ lockdownsceptics@gmail.com
Things seem to be changing by the minute on this site and so I have written to them to ask if they can confirm the future of the comments and forums section? I am currently waiting for a reply.
If this comments section goes but the discussion forum remains then I guess the obvious thing is for us to start a ‘Today’s discussion’ thread on the forum. It would be a bit more of a faff but not too bad.

452592 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #471 of 930 🔗

I can’t find the forums link anywhere

452500 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Trout, 3, #472 of 930 🔗

I think by convention we should be able to just treat the Comments on the Today’s Update link as the “real” comments section and post everything on there (here.)

452557 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 2, #473 of 930 🔗

Trouble is there’s no link any more – you have to scroll through the whole update, which on a phone is shite

452570 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 3, #474 of 930 🔗

It says in the editorial today: “You’ll no longer be able to comment on the daily update from tomorrow” !!!

452579 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Old Trout, 1, #475 of 930 🔗

Curses Muttley! 🙁

452501 ▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to Old Trout, 3, #476 of 930 🔗

good comment

452560 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Old Trout, 1, #477 of 930 🔗

I would prefer that they reinstate the old format, this one messed me up big time.

452597 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Old Trout, 3, #478 of 930 🔗


452463 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #479 of 930 🔗
452467 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Victoria, 6, #480 of 930 🔗

And they are both a load of old bollocks

452502 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #481 of 930 🔗

The fake scientists will discover a globule of water, or even carbon and declare life on mars, because obviously it is all that simple….pretty pictures of Chewbaca flying around in the cigar object, laughing, to follow. Morgan Freeman to do the voice overs. Attenborough is busy with his warmtarding.

452723 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to FerdIII, #482 of 930 🔗

And all of it fake.

452468 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 23, #483 of 930 🔗
452662 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #484 of 930 🔗

There would be a LOT of hugs coming my way!

452470 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 48, #485 of 930 🔗

Who the fuck in there right mind would take an untested vaccine, the problem here is a good amount of the public are lazy and living in denial,herd mentality is the order of the day, these same prats will spend a full day reading through Amazon reviews on the new Chip fryer they intend to purchase, but can’t be arsed to research the gene therapy about to be injected into their blood stream.. brain dead comes to mind

452511 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 2, #486 of 930 🔗

It needs something huge to wake them up

452530 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 4, #487 of 930 🔗

Brain dead indeed.
A couple of days ago was the first anniversary of the Great Toilet Roll Panic Buy. And I thought well people are stupid aren’t they.

452475 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 5, #488 of 930 🔗

Pfizer Bullies Nations to Put Up Collateral for Lawsuits

As reported by New Delhi-based World Is One News (WION), 1 Pfizer is demanding countries put up sovereign assets as collateral for expected vaccine injury lawsuits resulting from its COVID-19 inoculation. In other words, it wants governments to guarantee the company will be compensated for any expenses resulting from injury lawsuits against it.

Pfizer then demanded the Argentinian government put up sovereign assets — including its bank reserves, military bases and embassy buildings — as collateral. Argentina refused. A similar situation occurred in Brazil.

In the U.K., there were 49,472 reported side effects to the Pfizer vaccine and 21,032 reactions to the AstraZeneca vaccine as of January 24, 2021. As reported by Principia Scientific International, 46 “For both vaccines this equates to 1 in every 333 people suffering an adverse reaction. This rate could actually be higher as some cases may have not been reported …”


Examples of side effects reported after vaccination with Pfizer’s, Moderna’s and AstraZeneca’s vaccines from around the world include:

452487 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Victoria, #489 of 930 🔗

That will probably have the effect of Argentina – and others – plumping for the Chinese and/or Russian vaccines.

452528 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Victoria, 2, #490 of 930 🔗

There have been over 400 deaths in this country – as reported via the .gov.uk yellow card system. 50/50 between Pfizer and AZ.

452538 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to neilhartley, 5, #491 of 930 🔗

200K injured as well, some for life (blind etc).

Let’s not forget the injured.

And that is only what is reported……..

452477 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 5, #492 of 930 🔗


For anyone who somehow missed ‘Allen”s comment a few hours back.

This is why it’s all happening:


We should concentrate on the survival of ourselves and those we love, while making the arguments to the deluded if we wish.

452509 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to rockoman, 5, #493 of 930 🔗

Back in February last year, I remember a lot of people commenting that the panic around this coronavirus, was to do with the economy. I think most have forgotten they ever said that.

452519 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to rockoman, 5, #494 of 930 🔗

When I began looking into the fallout of the swine flu and the similarly rushed-to-market vaccines it was striking that it all started the year after the 2008 financial crash.

452713 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to Katabasis, 1, #495 of 930 🔗

It goes into the memory-hole because the idea that the governments of so many countries are not only deceiving us big time but that they care so little for us that in order to establish a financially secure future for themselves they will destroy this country and throw us all into ill health and poverty doesn’t compute.

452526 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to rockoman, 3, #496 of 930 🔗

Interesting comment re debt insolvency and the corona-imperative.

Don’t believe that is the main reason for the Corona totalitarianism.

WEF and others are quite clear – it is tied to, and supports, Green Fascism. Doris said this last summer as well. Rolling LDs from this fall onward, to save Gaia from the 4% gas by weight plant food, now classified a toxin, with 5% emitted by humans (the satanic and relevant % one assumes), as the main imperative.

Health passports are simply a means to surveille and control (you cannot drive to Devon, it is outside your zone 4 access area, you cannot go to Spain you have used your carbon quota, you must pay us an extra carbon tax since your son went to Russia…etc etc).

Economic collapse is a part of that narrative, but not the impetus.

Comment is quite right that we (all countries) are bankrupt and that our currencies are worth shyte. But is incorrect about the real reason for Corona.

452718 ▶▶▶ jos, replying to FerdIII, 1, #497 of 930 🔗

But the green fascism is just as fake and is another way to achieve the same ends.

452480 Fear is Finite, replying to Fear is Finite, 26, #498 of 930 🔗

So with NHS chiefs threatening to cut patient care unless they get £8bn this week for extra Covid costs, and unions threatening to strike over pay, remind me again why we’re protecting the NHS 🤔 . They don’t seem all that interested in protecting us.

452515 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Fear is Finite, 9, #499 of 930 🔗

They gleefully help themselves to a very large sum of my money every year….yet I cannot access the system…..and use private medicine anyway. How about my money back?

452540 ▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to FerdIII, 3, #500 of 930 🔗

Yep. And private insurance no good either as doesn’t cover chronic conditions (in my experience). So when I see my specialist of choice that’s money straight out of my pocket.

452546 ▶▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Fear is Finite, 3, #501 of 930 🔗

Correct. I just had a 25% deduction for a private 360-scan. NHS can’t provide what I want (full scans, cancer, prostate etc). So out of pocket. But happily done since I can do it anytime without waiting 9 months and not getting what I want from the ‘overwhelmed’ NHS.

452563 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to FerdIII, 1, #502 of 930 🔗

If I’d stayed with the NHS I wouldn’t have a thyroid right now, because they consider it easier to remove body parts than to address root causes. Happy to say I still have it, plus a (paid) doctor that helps me keep it, everyone should have that opportunity. The system is very very broken. Am I the only person who is actually wondering how many lives have been saved by not being subjected to NHS incompetence over the past year? Some for sure, but probably doesn’t outweigh lives lost.

452596 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Fear is Finite, 1, #503 of 930 🔗

Well – just to get the balance right – I’ve had superb treatment by the NHS in a variety of major disciplines. It’s kept me alive for eight years.

Our neighbor, on the other hand, has suffered from aggravation of a serious back problem over the same period – caused by incompetent private treatment.

452624 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fear is Finite, replying to RickH, 3, #504 of 930 🔗

I think they’re very good at emergency medicine, but terrible at chronic. Just my experience.

452483 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #505 of 930 🔗

Number of Women who have lost baby as a result of Covid jab doubles in just 7 days, MHRA data shows – The Daily Expose



452497 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Victoria, 4, #506 of 930 🔗

The babies aren’t included in the mortality totals either…

452513 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Katabasis, 4, #507 of 930 🔗

Neither are abortions in ‘normative’ dead stats….babies have no rights. Abortionists have rights (my body etc). Drug refuseniks like Babies will soon have no rights. This is called consistency, morality, high standards, freedom by Covidtards and Fascists.

452512 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Victoria, 20, #508 of 930 🔗

Why are pregnant women getting vaccinated? It’s been very common knowledge since last summer that the Pfizer gene therapy injection should not be given to pregnant women or even those trying to get pregnant. It said so on the tin.

452521 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to neilhartley, 4, #509 of 930 🔗

Doctors tell then to get vaccinated

452536 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Victoria, 4, #510 of 930 🔗

Yep. I suspect many of them sadly were pressured. Van Tam certainly said something recently publicly, not-so-subtly urging pregnant women to get the jab. His head needs to be on the block, imo.

I sincerely hope that some of these women at the very least, make immediate complaints about their Dr to the GMC…unless they were given 100% fully informed consent about the experimental nature of the jab, which from anecdotal reports, seems unlikely.

452705 ▶▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 1, #511 of 930 🔗

Didn’t he say something along the lines of ‘We didn’t do testing on pregnant women but there’s no reason to believe it isn’t safe.’? (There’s equally no reason to believe it is safe). This is a new form of scientific thinking that I’m unfamiliar with. Doublethink? Newspeak? One of those….

452747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to jos, #512 of 930 🔗

The Van Tam statement goes against the precautionary principle, which is ironic since that principle was (mis)applied to justify lockdown and is also part of the basis for “vaccinating” healthy people.

452544 ▶▶▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Victoria, 5, #513 of 930 🔗

That then seems to me to be criminal negligence.

452548 ▶▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to neilhartley, 4, #514 of 930 🔗

Pfff, what do the developers know? You must have seen our own medical experts (Van Tam, for one) say that there is no evidence suggesting that pregnant women could be adversely affected by the vaccine. Surely that must be sufficiently reassuring? He didn’t of course clarify that no initial trials had been carried out on pregnant women and animals.

I recall also that the developers advised against using the vaccine on people with underlying conditions or on certain medications as they had been excluded from the initial trials, but that principle has clearly been abandoned as well.

And then there was the change to the prescribed interval between jabs….

452565 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Victoria, #515 of 930 🔗

Saves them the bother of queefing it out later I suppose

452494 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 17, #516 of 930 🔗

The case against lockdowns. A convert.


I’m one of them. Back in spring, I was in favor of lockdowns, but since then I have reached the conclusion that lockdowns and other stringent restrictions do not make sense from a cost-benefit perspective. I now think that, even with the information we had at the time, supporting lockdowns was the wrong call because even though I insisted that it was only a temporary solution and that we should be ready to revise our view as more evidence came in, I should have known that people would not and that lockdowns would quickly become institutionalized. However, in this post, I will not be arguing for this view. I only want to argue that, regardless of what should have been done last spring, the data we have accumulated since then show very clearly that, whatever the precise effect of lockdowns and other stringent restrictions, it is not nearly as large as we might have thought, so their costs far outweigh their benefits and we therefore should avoid them where they are not currently in place and start lifting them immediately where they are.

452510 ▶▶ neilhartley, replying to Basileus, 4, #517 of 930 🔗

The problem of using “cost benefit analysis” is the implication that this is all about health vs wealth. Cost should be replaced by harm.

452556 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to neilhartley, 1, #518 of 930 🔗

Yes, though I think “cost” can and must be interpreted to include a notional cost for lost freedom and happiness, ability to enjoy life normally etc. If you don’t then you’re saying those things don’t have a value, which is indefensible. They are tricky to put a value on, but that’s a different story.

452520 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, 3, #519 of 930 🔗

“more joy in Heaven etc.” …

452534 ▶▶ SimonCook, replying to Basileus, 5, #520 of 930 🔗

Good afternoon Basileus

I just saw the following on the Collateral Global twitter feed, which I understand collects MSM articles that reference the fallout from these disastrous policies. This is from the recent Daily Telegraph article.

2 sentences that nail the insanity.

“there was a backlog of 4.52 million patients by the end of the year, 224,000 of whom had been waiting for more than a year for treatment.
This compared to 1,500 at the end of 2019.”


452498 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 13, #521 of 930 🔗

re Lauren Fox going on Good Morning Britain

part 1 – How it started

Hi Laurence,

Following our conversation last night I have confirmed Good Morning Britain. They will let us know timings tomorrow. We recommend you go to the studio to di the interview if they allow it.

Kind Regards

part 2 – How its going [see below]


452532 ▶▶ Wolver, replying to Victoria, 5, #522 of 930 🔗

Why do I click on twiter links and read the comments, always makes me lose faith in humanity…

452550 ▶▶▶ FerdIII, replying to Wolver, 7, #523 of 930 🔗

It is a sociopathic echo chamber. Farcebook or Arsebook is the same. Useless me-too social media. A sign of the decline of civilisation and our own times.

452517 Victoria, 12, #524 of 930 🔗
452522 nickbowes, replying to nickbowes, 2, #525 of 930 🔗

Excellent – there was me thinking they have “done away” with the comments section !

452717 ▶▶ jb12, replying to nickbowes, #526 of 930 🔗

This is the last day.

452523 frankfrankly, replying to frankfrankly, 3, #527 of 930 🔗

MODELLING If anyone wants to get to grips with pandemic and other modelling Futurelearn with the Open University have a free course at https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/pandemics-modelling-and-policy

I may try it myself. In any event, if possible a large enough number of people should be able to understand the model Imperial & Prof. Fearguson are using. It’s pretty clear that when the next Asian virus is identified-which is inevitable, lockdown will be the preferred initial response.The magic circle of modellers needs to be penetrated.

452533 ▶▶ FerdIII, replying to frankfrankly, 2, #528 of 930 🔗

These ‘models’ depend on many things.

1-Application code
2-Database schemas and organisation
3-Database access, code, logic
4-Application access and use of the Database data
5-Data integrity, validity, source cleansing

If any of the above are junk, the model is junk.

If any of the above are undocumented and not tested, the model is junk.

If any of the above cannot be templated and rebuilt by others outside the organisation, the model is junk.

452553 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to FerdIII, 4, #529 of 930 🔗

I think the main problems with the Ferguson model were/are that the inputs were based on what look like incorrect assumptions about when the pandemic started, seasonality, prior immunity and the natural progression of respiratory viruses, and IFR, and they haven’t once adjusted it to account for what has happened in the real world

You can have the greatest code in the world but if the inputs are wrong it’s GIGO

452539 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to frankfrankly, 7, #530 of 930 🔗

By the time the next Asian virus is identified Britain will be an impoverished island slum with nothing to lock down.

452541 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #531 of 930 🔗


Lockdown has failed in the U.K. & done more harm than good to public health & the economy, writes cardiologist

‘harms of lockdown are indisputable and in my view catastrophic’

The REAL culprits behind Britain’s colossal death toll are Big Food & Bad Pharma


452742 ▶▶ Annie, replying to Victoria, #532 of 930 🔗

‘colossal death toll’? Rubbish.

452549 leggy, 13, #533 of 930 🔗

Lots of comments about Geert Vanden Bossche on here the last few days. Another interview will be happening with Dan Astin Gregory this evening, details below:

BREAKING NEWS: The Implications of Mass Vaccination during a Pandemic

I have secured an exclusive interview TONIGHT at 17:00 GMT with Geert Vanden Bossche, an independent virologist and vaccine expert who was formerly employed at GAVI (the vaccine alliance) and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

He recently wrote an open letter appealing to the WHO (and all stakeholders involved) to immediately halt the mass vaccination campaign stating that there is compelling evidence indicating that the mass rollout will dramatically worsen the consequences of the pandemic.

In this LIVE interview we will discuss his open letter and explore the evidence.

I appreciate this is short notice but given Geert’s recent open letter he will soon be in hot demand and we are fortunate to have secured this exclusive interview tonight!

Pre-register for tonight’s broadcast here :

1) Facebook LIVE @ Dan Astin-Gregory:


(Please note if you are currently unable to comment on Dan’s profile you can watch on the Make Lockdowns History Public Page here )

2) Youtube LIVE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtHfI00D_s4

452551 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #534 of 930 🔗


 A rather strange list of Estonia,Poland, Iceland, Georgia and Seychelles. They all seem different and many has as alternative neg test before entering. Interesting to see what happens in summer and low incidence and what happens in the fierce competition to get back tourists. The pandemic must end in July for the Big Pharma companies to reap the profit from the vaccines. The situation could be quite different at that time.

452561 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to swedenborg, 14, #535 of 930 🔗

“The pandemic must end in July for the Big Pharma companies to reap the profit from the vaccines.” Is your thinking here that if the “vaccines” fail to end the “Pandemic” (the one that really ended last May such as it ever was) then younger people in particular will no bother and wait for something better to come along?

I personally will travel anywhere with no muzzles or vaccine or test requirement. So staycations for now. My £££s are waiting for any country to ditch the theatrics.

452573 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 7, #536 of 930 🔗

This is not my thinking.It has been reported that they cannot take the profits during the pandemic but after it has been declared over (presumably by WHO).I don’t have a link but it seems plausible.Swine flu pandemic 2009 was also declared over.

452575 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to swedenborg, 2, #537 of 930 🔗

OK thanks – no win no fee kind of thing?!

452555 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 16, #538 of 930 🔗

Looks like Toby is trying to turn the site into a Guido Fawkes lookalike site.

Comments all over the place.

See a post that interested you? Had a link you wanted to add to the post? Go and find the link; then come back and try and remember which of the articles comments list the post was on.

What a fucking dog’s dinner! I’m not jumping backwards and forwards between articles to keep up with half a dozen different comments sections.

I’m out of here till Toby and Will see sense and put the comments back the way they are.

452571 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Ceriain, 2, #539 of 930 🔗

Seems we are all still commenting in the same place (BTL?) for now. Is this going to change?

452572 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Mic67, #540 of 930 🔗

Ignore just seen the reply above.

452584 ▶▶ Dodderydude, replying to Ceriain, 11, #541 of 930 🔗

It’s a ridiculous change of tack. What proportion of the extremely useful BTL comments actually relate to one of the day’s ATL articles? Not many I would judge. I live on my own and spend all day long jumping around different website discussion threads to see what people are thinking and conversing about, and looking for useful links. I’m certainly not intending to add to my endeavours by jumping around different articles on here. I’d rather just reluctantly accept that I have to do without such a source of info.

A similar ‘article only’ commenting policy applies on the Daily Telegraph but it is apparent there that anybody wishing to comment in depth on lockdown/vaccines etc just posts their comments on the letters page BTL, even if they are not relevant to any of the published letters. I know publishers are not duty bound to provide a general open forum but it does seem such a shame, and damaging to the cause, if such outlets vanish.

452591 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Dodderydude, 3, #542 of 930 🔗

There are a lot of alternatives but they would be away from the site itself and it depends what people are comfortable with using.

452590 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to Ceriain, 38, #543 of 930 🔗

We’ve all signed lots of petitions over the past year so I propose another one along the lines of:

Dear Toby, Will et al,
Please reinstate the general comments section. We liked it as it was: a tremendous source of information, support, cameraderie and humour – all in the same place. This is a very precious resource for a significant number of people and they have made it what it is. It does not require editorial improvement. Thank you.

Or words to that effect

452606 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve F, 7, #544 of 930 🔗

I agree

I have had a quick look at the Forums and one would need to start a new topic for each day but then within that you’re always just replying to the whole topic not to individual posts within it.

452728 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 2, #545 of 930 🔗

The forum is useful, but it works much less like a real physical forum than does the single btl comments feature. If that is switched off it will be a major loss to the community that posts here.

I’m not sure that the rationale given for this move really hangs together. There is no need for anyone to be staying up all night. If the daily post happened at 5:00pm rather than 4:00am, I don’t see there would be any loss at all.

It would also hardly be difficult to set things up so that comments could be made on individual stories, without switching off the main daily btl thread. The fact that we are today (for the last time, apparently) able to do both shows that it is not some technical impossibility.

I do hope there is a reconsideration.

452569 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 53, #546 of 930 🔗

I have now had an email reply from Will about the future of this site;

Hi Steve

To answer your questions:
1. Current intention is that the general comments under the Latest News post will stop after today. Comments will continue under each new post.
2. Yes, forums will continue. The front page link going missing was a bug that is now fixed.
3. Starting new threads in the forums, like commenting, is moderated.

Hope that helps.


So it is now clear that this is the last daily general comments section.
However, the forums section is continuing and so I guess that leaves it up to us to run a daily up-dates discussion thread in the forums section if we so wish.

I know this is annoying for many including myself but I think it is important that we stick together if at all possible. If it had not been for the comments and information from all of you in these comments i suspect that by now both my wife and myself would have given in to the dodgy jabs as it is, so far, we are jab free. The social pressure out there is immense and hard to resist and so your support and information is crucial.

452577 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #547 of 930 🔗

Steve I think that is a really good idea on starting a new daily thread in the forums – assuming it doesn’t continually get stuck in moderation hell.

It might be worth us asking Toby et al to ensure there’s a mention of the forum at the end of each article so we don’t have to continually remind people in the comments under articles that all the action is taking place in the forum.

452583 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Katabasis, 3, #548 of 930 🔗

Wow just checked out the forum and it’s circa 1992 😀

452634 ▶▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mic67, 3, #549 of 930 🔗

If only we could only go back to 1992….

452650 ▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Mic67, #550 of 930 🔗

It’s a bit “LOST” isn’t it? Keep pressing the button… 4, 8, 15, 16 , 23, 42

452587 ▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #551 of 930 🔗


I would be happy to be in direct contact with you. I will leave message on forum.

452604 ▶▶▶ JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 2, #552 of 930 🔗

I have left a message on Meet Fellow Sceptics forum. It will appear after it has been cleared.

452630 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #553 of 930 🔗

Hi Steve, thanks for that. I have also emailed the team asking for them to please keep the daily update comments section, as well as those under the separate articles. I have tried to explain how this is our communal meeting place and the importance of this section to so many of us. I suggest others also write and give their views. Otherwise yes, it seems that a daily comments section in the forum will be our only answer.

The email address, should anyone like to write to them, is: lockdownsceptics@gmail.com

452654 ▶▶▶ this is my username, replying to Old Trout, 5, #554 of 930 🔗

I’ve written just to add my voice to those calling for a single comments section on the daily update. Forums are much more difficult to chat in – they move much more slowly and are harder to navigate.

452660 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to this is my username, 3, #555 of 930 🔗

I’ve written in too

452663 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Old Trout, 2, #556 of 930 🔗

I’ve emailed with my objection and plea.

452916 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Old Trout, 1, #557 of 930 🔗

thanks for the link. I have writtento say how valuable this space is and that I and maybe quite a number of others would be willing to give a bit of time to doing whatever if that would help keep it going.

452712 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #558 of 930 🔗

I’ll be doing my best to navigate, but I’m a complete luddite on my best day.

452574 JanMasarykMunich, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 7, #559 of 930 🔗

Swiss sceptic site interprets rejection of e-ID law as

a. making introduction of vaccine passports more difficult

b. part of growing skepticism toward IT giants

Campaign against was supported by Socialist Party this time due to concerns about involvement of private firms in production of IDs. Press are trying to spin result as ‘yes to IDs, but without private firm involvement’

In any case, legislators will now have to come up with a new proposal and I am guessing that this too may attract a challenge (50,000 signatures required for referendum to be held). Depending on the exact proposal, opposition may have a different composition next time (ie if the SP as a party back it next time).


452618 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JanMasarykMunich, 4, #560 of 930 🔗

They’ll not stop. They’ll repackage such things again and again. This is a long war

452576 Liberty, 12, #561 of 930 🔗


Masks for kids their voices choking,
Tests each week you must be joking,
These new rules are child abuse,
The data gives them no excuse.

When teachers ask the pupils’ questions,
Masks will bring more hesitations,
Muffled voices will be ignored,
As insecurities are stored.

These children’s minds are being brainwashed,
Their independent thoughts are squashed,
Their programmed minds are being enslaved,
The few dissenters must be brave.

Our children must be taught to question,
Not just accept the situation,
They’re the voices who will rise,
To speak up against the fear and lies.

452588 Bill Gisz, replying to Bill Gisz, 10, #562 of 930 🔗

If you haven’t yet read Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries M.D. and medical historian Roman Bystrianyk, please consider doing so. It is a real eye opener.

[My higher education (four university degrees) was in the fields of Genetics and Bioethics so I’m not exactly lacking a Life Sciences background, but this book was a revelation!]

452727 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bill Gisz, #563 of 930 🔗

Dr Suzanne Humphries is excellent. See her Sodium ascorbate (Vitamin C) treatment of whooping cough. https://drsuzanne.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Vitamin-C-Whooping-Cough-PDF.pdf

452968 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bill Gisz, #564 of 930 🔗

Ordered cheers (only the one Life Sciences degree lol).

452594 Bruce Reynolds, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 59, #565 of 930 🔗

Who the hell wants to keep going from forum to forum to leave comments, this site is nothing without it’s comments it has become a band of brothers and should be kept that way..A general comments section is all that’s needed…

452601 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 17, #566 of 930 🔗

Agreed – the general comments section is real-time updated and extremely interactive. I can’t see how the use of the forums can get close that. That’s probably the end of it for many people.

452613 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to godowneasy, 4, #567 of 930 🔗

I’m not to clued in as regards this but couldn’t one of the forums become the main forum, ignoring all of the others if you see what I mean..

452608 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 14, #568 of 930 🔗

Here here. I panicked when I first saw the updated site as I couldn’t find here. Had to click through and scroll down. Why isn’t it still linked at the top of the page? Are the changes to stop us reaching and sharing with our like minded soul mates? Or am I paranoid?

Where in the editorial is the research and fight back against Lockdowns? Whatever happens by 21 June our work here is not done as the fight must be to ensure that lockdowns never happen again not just calmly acquiesce.

452625 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to Andrea Salford, 11, #569 of 930 🔗

Exactly this fight is far from over,in fact you could say it’s only just begun it would be foolish to drop your guard as Mr Young appears to be doing..

452609 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 6, #570 of 930 🔗

The forums are complete pish

452614 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 18, #571 of 930 🔗

I can live with with the main articles changing throughout the day but I just want a generic Comments link at the top for the whole of that day preferably sorted by Newest as a default and no need for comments on individual new items.

452619 ▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #572 of 930 🔗


The ‘Today’s Update’ page is a continuing feature, so that essentially should be the general comments page from now on. But I’ll breathe easier when I see it in action and working.

We’ll still be doing the daily update each day, but it will no longer be on the homepage. Instead, you’ll need to click on “Today’s Update” underneath the horizontal menu bar to see it

452638 ▶▶▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Freecumbria, 2, #573 of 930 🔗

Just seen Steve Martindale’s post so looks like I was wrong about the today’s update page being available as the general comments page. Worrying.


452641 ▶▶▶ Marialta, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 12, #574 of 930 🔗

I’m not happy about the change either – I like the mish mash of opinions and comments as we feed off each other and spark new thoughts – the forums are nothing compared to what we have here !

452681 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 17, #575 of 930 🔗

I vote for going back to the old layout with new posts just appearing at the top of the page as the posts are published. This new system is bollocks.

I can’t help but think that someone is trying to chop the legs off the community by smashing our conversations into pointless chunks.

(I really don’t want to take on the responsibility, but if it comes to it, I’d consider setting up an alternative site devoted to discussion rather than parroting the newspapers.)

452710 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Mabel Cow, 2, #576 of 930 🔗

The fact that none of the three main articles now on the home page have more than a dozen comments each sums it up. People want to comment here, not below carefully selected ATL articles at the front.

452866 ▶▶▶▶ John001, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #577 of 930 🔗

I vote for a layout as close as possible to the http://www.politicalbetting.com forum. It’s an excellent, readable website if you bet on politics. It was just that after 7-8 months I found its users’ 95% loyalty to lockdown, vaccination and the ‘wonderful NHS’ too much to take.

If Toby is having difficulty with ‘conspiracy’ comments of the kind ‘Mr Gates wants to microchip me by 2030’ can he just create two sections for the forum, one on ‘non-pharma interventions’ and one on ‘vaccines’?

The one on vaccines can have a huge disclaimer that it is there solely to uphold free speech and in no way represents the views of the site owners or management. I’m sure that’s Mike Smithson’s view on PB although I’ve never seen a disclaimer. Rather he or his son sometimes ban people who use the kind of language that would get a comment removed from the serious press, e.g. Telegraph, Spectator, FT.

If Toby watches the Corbett Report on Gates, there are some claims there which I think help to distinguish reality from conspiracy.

My friends think that the ‘conspiracies’ will come up against the UK government’s aparent inability to run a pissup in a brewery. NHS IT system … anyone?

452616 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 12, #578 of 930 🔗

and another thing – it would have been great if the LDS editors had thought about asking their BTL contributors what they thought about it first. This site will be much diminished without it. Maybe that’s the point.

452621 ▶▶▶ Bruce Reynolds, replying to godowneasy, 9, #579 of 930 🔗

Yes I smell a little bit of rat odour in the air..

452632 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to godowneasy, 6, #580 of 930 🔗

Especially given they are continually begging for donations…

452656 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to godowneasy, 6, #581 of 930 🔗

Yes indeed. They can fiddle around with their bit above the line, if they want, but it would have been polite to ask us lot below the line whether we minded them changing things here. Maybe they think we’re getting a little too autonomous and have decided to impose their editorial authority, just to show they can.

452671 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #582 of 930 🔗

Quite. Maybe I sound paranoid, but the best content tends to be BTL. Changing the way the comments work will stop that information being disseminated. That would not benefit sceptical persons, but it’s clear who it does benefit.

452653 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Bruce Reynolds, 7, #583 of 930 🔗

Lets all write in asking for a general comments section at the top, like in the newsletter.

452595 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 5, #584 of 930 🔗

My song suggestion – sung to this tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCUlPNlQuA&t=8s

Mask it black

I see a bare face and I want it mask-ed black
No colours anymore, I want them to turn black
I see the girls walk by, dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until the maskless goes

I see a car drivers and they’re all mask-ed black
With flowers and my love both never to come back
I see people turn their heads and quickly look away
Like a newborn baby, it just happens every day

I look inside myself and see my heart is black
I see a bare face, I must have it mask-ed black
Maybe then I’ll fade away and not have to face the facts
It’s not easy facing up when your whole world is mask’d

No more will my green sea go turn a deeper blue
I could not foresee this thing happening to you
If I look hard enough into the setting sun
My love will laugh with me before the morning comes

I see a bare face and I want it mask-ed black
No colours anymore, I want them to turn black
I see the girls walk by, dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until the maskless goes

Hmm, hmm, hmm…

I wanna see it mask-ed, mask-ed black
Mask’d as night, black as coal
I wanna see the sun blotted out from the sky
I wanna see it mask’d, mask’d, mask’d, mask’d black


Hmm, hmm, hmm…

452600 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #585 of 930 🔗

Media Bear got there first…


452643 ▶▶▶ Ken Garoo, replying to Jo Starlin, 3, #586 of 930 🔗

Ah well, this is why I will never be in a position to announce ‘first’.

That video is scary bad. Definitely not safe for children. I prefer the live B&W video just to see the Stones in action – with Men In Black holding back the screaming girls!

452607 Mic67, replying to Mic67, 4, #587 of 930 🔗

God save the children of the UK from B117!!!! Says Eric Ding. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1368907421704413188?s=20

452615 ▶▶ Jo Starlin, replying to Mic67, 7, #588 of 930 🔗

I think we’ve all heard quite enough from the third rate nutritionist and lying charlatan Eric Fecal-Dung.

452623 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jo Starlin, 4, #589 of 930 🔗

He can’t be saved now. The cult will soon be readying themselves for the rapture.

452677 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Mic67, 1, #590 of 930 🔗

What a dingbat.

452617 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #591 of 930 🔗

Very interesting news this morning concerning police and prison officers. It would appear that serving officers are NOT being allowed to have the ‘jab’ even if they want it. Very strange don’t you think? Why would this be a policy? Could it be that those in the know are well aware that the ‘jab’ is causing major injury and worse and the last thing they want is for the boys in blue to go off sick when they are sorely needed to harass those who are trying to behave normally? Not to mention of course that these anti cuddle warriors will be much needed when the sh*t truly hits the fan in the not too distant future.

This is being reported in the Daily Mail and Mark Steel makes much of it in his truly unique Geordie style. This gent may not appeal to everyone, but if you appreciated the direct, in your face, no nonsense approach of ‘OZ’ in Auf weidersen pet… he’s your man.


452629 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #592 of 930 🔗

This sounds big !

452651 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Harry hopkins, #593 of 930 🔗

Maybe its just political optics

452622 davews, 4, #594 of 930 🔗

While we can still post off topic….
We have tended to praise Mike Graham as broadly sceptical and inwardly I still think he is. OK, today he seems to be diverted away to cover ‘that story’ – I will definitely not be watching it on the box myself… But on his home schooling slot just now he was talking about Helen Sharman who he claimed he had never heard of. Seems a bit strange as during Tim Peake’s tour on the ISS she popped up quite a lot on the media to discuss her time in space. I remember a few weeks back when they had a mathemetician on discussing simple algebra, a subject he confessed to know nothing whatsoever about. So here he is talking all the time about lockdown, vaccines et al but presumably knows just as little about them. Not far different from the politicians and our famous three who don’t seem to know the slightest bit about viruses.

452626 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 27, #595 of 930 🔗

Just had my paramedic sister in law over for lunch.

Comment from her “Vaccines blah blah reinfection, don’t know about natural immunity”

Me “Na, nobody has been reinfected. Its single digits worldwide”

Her “I know at least 5 people who have been vaccinated AND have had Covid twice”

How is this possible that they’ve arrived in this place saying these words? I am worried about her mental state.

I told her to contact the press as such a story would make global news headlines.

452631 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #596 of 930 🔗

Sad, isn’t it.

452649 ▶▶ stewart, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #597 of 930 🔗

People are being forced to act as if:
– the virus is super deadly which it isn’t
– masks worn as the population does stops virus spreading
– children and young adults are at risk from this virus when they aren’t.
– that these new vaccines are the solution, except you are still at risk after you’ve had it.

And plenty of other thinks that are patently not true, and just plain crazy.

When people are forced to act in accordance with things that they know not to be true really, mental disorder ensues.

452693 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #598 of 930 🔗

So neither lockdown, masks or vaccines are working then? Looks like we’ll just have to get on and live with it like we do every year with respiratory diseases. Don’t suppose she would get that though?

452755 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #599 of 930 🔗

How does she know they had CV19 and not another respiratory infection, or have all the other respiratory viruses disappeared?

And was she saying that they got CV19 after they were vaccinated? Twice, since December when the vaccine rollout started??

452820 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to LMS2, #600 of 930 🔗

Yes. Word for word that was it. She’s a paramedic. Unreal.

I laughed then said something to the effect that a report I read discussed reinfection and that the BBC scare stories about the variants was even shaky about reinfection due to strong T Cells.

But no. Apparently you can have Covid, get vaccinated against it, and get it again. 5 people she knows this has happened to. In an NHS ward of 300k.

If this was true it’d be global news and be jumped on by every covidian as proof they’d been right all along. This is the plague.

452639 PhilipF, replying to PhilipF, 4, #601 of 930 🔗

Can anybody let me know the name of the that website which had local sceptic meetup groups? Since it looks like this website is being allowed to whither.

452645 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to PhilipF, 3, #602 of 930 🔗

Telegram has all the great reopening stuff – always lots of activity

452646 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #603 of 930 🔗

Yep, I would start on telegram, but there is also this:
Find a hub | The Freedom Network

452684 ▶▶▶▶ PhilipF, replying to Silke David, 1, #604 of 930 🔗

Thanks. That was what I was thinking of, although not sure how worthwhile/active it is.

452706 ▶▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to PhilipF, #605 of 930 🔗

I emailed the local group to me last week and have had no reply so not sure they are that active.

452732 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to maggie may, 1, #606 of 930 🔗

Some local groups are more organised than others. 🙂 Ours has both regional and local meetings mental health support groups.

Local leaders who are inactive are in the process of being replaced.

FreedomNetwork HQ is extremely busy.

452963 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ maggie may, replying to JohnB, #607 of 930 🔗

That’s good news, there are a number of local groups, maybe i should try another one!

452661 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to PhilipF, 3, #608 of 930 🔗

A new Facebook group – Awakened Travel – is starting to organise itself into geographical groups and might be useful.

452936 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to PhilipF, #609 of 930 🔗
452657 bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #610 of 930 🔗


A new video platform. Check Odysee and Lbry.
Read Martin Geddes’s new book.

452674 ▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to bebophaircut, 1, #612 of 930 🔗

Banned from GoogleTube, Instagram …? Build Back Better somewhere else.


452666 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to rockoman, 7, #614 of 930 🔗

Also UKColumn a great website.

452668 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 13, #615 of 930 🔗

Just watched the UkColumn. Wow, what a poisonous corrupt cess pool of evil-doers that we have running this utter farce or a sham of a sorry excuse for a countries management class. An utter disgrace.

Evil idiots are everywhere.

I wonder how many people watch the UKC live every day and how many watch later on poo-tube. I would really like to know.

452669 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to Two-Six, #616 of 930 🔗

Not every time – but often.

452670 ▶▶ jos, replying to Two-Six, 1, #617 of 930 🔗

Not every day – M,W,F – I always watch on their website.

452672 ▶▶ Cedric the dragon, replying to Two-Six, 2, #618 of 930 🔗

I usually watch later the same day on the website as I get less broadband interruption that way.

452673 ▶▶ stevie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #619 of 930 🔗

I do normally live but otherwise on you tube

452676 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Two-Six, #620 of 930 🔗

I only caught the last 10 minutes, but will watch back later.

452691 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Two-Six, 4, #621 of 930 🔗

Watch the James Delingpole chat with Illana Rachel Daniel on Rumble, linked above.
The Israeli government signed a contract with Pfizer, with a quota of vaccinations that must be met, as part of the contract terms.

She says that the Jewish people are the canaries in the coal mine, and that leadership across the world are corrupt. I haven’t watched all of it.

452698 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to LMS2, 2, #622 of 930 🔗

I honestly don’t want to watch that interview it’s just too scary. The Israeli government are just totally evil.

452735 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Two-Six, 3, #623 of 930 🔗

Same here. I watched James and Laura’s latest chinwag last night (wish I could give them both a hug) and I saw the interview link on there but just couldn’t face it. I can only handle so much of the truth at a time in order to (barely) function.

452753 ▶▶▶▶▶ LMS2, replying to Andrea Salford, #624 of 930 🔗

It’s why I couldn’t face watching g Dave Cullen’s otherwise excellent videos on the subject of CV19 etc. Too, too depressing.
He’s been banned from YouTube now, and is on Bit Chute instead, plus has his own website.
Still depressing, though.

MOH watches videos about Hazel the donkey, or bears playing in people’s swimming pools, that kind of thing.
Sometimes it’s necessary to just switch off.

452781 ▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to LMS2, #625 of 930 🔗

It rubber stamps what’s in store for the rest of us & yet no one of note is grasping the enormity of it all !!!

452700 ▶▶ Jinks, replying to Two-Six, #626 of 930 🔗

I used to watch it religiously, but then I just felt suicidal and helpless!

452721 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, #627 of 930 🔗

For me, later usually.

452726 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Two-Six, 2, #628 of 930 🔗

I can’t watch any news or briefings live – in terms of my mental health it would be like a parachute jump without a parachute. I have to come here first for you guy’s’ take on it first before taking a peak.

452743 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #629 of 930 🔗

Why even peak/peek ?

452675 Edward, 14, #630 of 930 🔗

What a ludicrous statement by the Scottish justice secretary: “Police have been putting themselves at risk to keep us safe”. Just as the Berlin Wall was built to keep those dangerous westerners out of the communist paradise of East Germany.

452679 Ken Garoo, replying to Ken Garoo, 11, #631 of 930 🔗

I have received a letter from some NHS utfit regarding covid-19 ‘vaccination. There is a version online


This is an interesting document – simultaneously informative and uninformative – truly post-truth (or whatever the phrase is). There is perhaps nothing new, but it is useful to have it documented:

It begins:

“Many people who are infected may not have any symptoms or only have mild symptoms. These commonly start with cough, fever, headache and loss of taste or smell.

Some people will feel very tired, have aching muscles, diarrhoea and vomiting, fever and confusion. A small number of people then go on to have severe disease which may require hospitalisation or admission to intensive care.”

Which basically repeats what Whitty said, back in May(?) 2020, that the virus is harmless to the great majority of people. If the government recognises that is the case, and has known about it since mid 2020, why the perverse continuation of harmful policies? (/rhetorical). This is also a case of a conspiracy theory becoming conspiracy fact.

“Overall fewer than 1 in 100 people who are infected will die from COVID-19, but in those over 75 years of age this rises to 1 in 10.”

The figures on IFR are probably over-pessimistic (by at least an order of magnitude given the with/from issue). It is interesting that the adverse effects of multiple co-morbidities is not mentioned. I can think of various ‘political’ reasons for this omission, but no valid medical reason.

“There is no cure for COVID-19 although some newly tested treatments do help to reduce the risk of complications. … A very small number of people who are at risk of COVID-19 cannot have the vaccine – this includes people who have severe allergies.”

So there goes the rationale for vaccine passports? If only. Medical apartheid becons.

“The COVID-19 vaccination will reduce the chance of you suffering from COVID-19 disease. … Like all medicines, no vaccine is completely effective – some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe.”

Should? How comforting to have a reduced chance of suffering! I am more than happy to sign away all my rights for that (not).

“The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection … We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus. So, it is important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.”

So we still don’t know whether this drug is actually a vaccine giving long-term protection, or it is just labelled a ‘vaccine’ as a marketing ploy to sucker the gullible into becoming guinea pigs for Big Pharma. My bet it is the latter, as seems highly unlikely that permanent immunity can be generated for a rapidly mutating now low hazard RNA virus. If it was possible, I am sure the natural immune sytem would have gone that way in its millions of years of exposure to all sorts of pathogens. I suspect the natural end point for the respiratory virii is mutual co-existence for mutual benefit – the virus gets a host and the immune system is triggered into wider protection, hence no flu? So ‘marketing ploy’ it is.

“To protect yourself and your family, friends and colleagues you still need to:

  • practice social distancing
  • wear a face mask
  • wash your hands carefully and frequently
  • follow the current guidance

COVID-19 is spread through droplets breathed out from the nose or mouth, particularly when speaking or coughing.”

Really? Is this all based on the assumption that 1 in 3 asymptomatic people are carriers? Real research puts it at about 1 in 3,000 as an upper bound.

“It can also be picked up by touching your eyes, nose and mouth after contact with contaminated objects and surfaces.”

Washing hands is probably the sole protective action listed above that has any possible effect and benefit.

452686 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Ken Garoo, 2, #632 of 930 🔗

“It can also be picked up by touching your eyes, nose and mouth after contact with contaminated objects and surfaces.”

Yes. So to all the mask wearers out there: Stop fucking around with your mask by continuously adjusting it!

452687 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Ken Garoo, 6, #633 of 930 🔗

The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection
Hang on a sec
Covid-19 is a list of vague never ending symptoms so this gene therapy most certainly can give you what appears to be the coof but not Sars Cov2 itself
Weasel words

452902 ▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Crystal Decanter, #634 of 930 🔗
  • fever
  • dry cough
  • tiredness
  • aches and pains
  • sore throat
  • diarrhoea
  • conjunctivitis
  • headache
  • loss of taste or smell.
  • a rash on skin, or discolouration of fingers or toes
  • difficulty breathing or shortness of breath
  • chest pain or pressure
  • loss of speech or movement

I guess a swollen arm, miscarriage and dropping dead within 25 mins is just unique to the “vaccine” though.

452680 DevonBlueBoy, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 9, #635 of 930 🔗

What wonderfull vertical marketeeers the Chinese are! I’ve just picked up some lateral flow tests locally and as the reader above noted they’re manufactured in China. That’s what’s known as taking the piss. Give us the disease and then sell us the stuff to check if we have the disease. I guess we should be grateful the manufacturing was not done in Wuhan!

452692 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to DevonBlueBoy, #636 of 930 🔗

Why do you think the Chinese gave a disease to us? – see Ivor Cummins on SarsCov-2 being in Europe in 2019.

If China is so good at vertical marketing, then why are the Chinese vaccines not admitted to western markets, where governments prefer mRNA products?

452696 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 2, #637 of 930 🔗

If I had to place a bet variants of Sars1 have been endemic for a while – they were just put down as “mystery virus” by your local quack

452772 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Crystal Decanter, #638 of 930 🔗

How many times, over many years, have people said “There’s a bug going round” ?

452715 ▶▶ Annie, replying to DevonBlueBoy, 1, #639 of 930 🔗

At least one face-knicker manufacturing firm is based in Wuhan. Saw it on the packet. (Not my purchase, I hasten to add.)

452892 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to DevonBlueBoy, #640 of 930 🔗

When I came down with a two week lurgy in late April I of course got put down by the doctor as a Covid case (this is my getout when my number finally comes up on the Jabberwockery Lottery – already had it so don’t need it) though it could have been anything (most likely a kidney infection.) 7 weeks later I did a private antibody test (negative) and it was manufactured in …Wuhan!

452683 Will, replying to Will, 1, #641 of 930 🔗

Has anyone seen a breakdown of deaths by age and ethnicity? I wonder how many white people, under 50, without known health issues have died? I doubt such information is freely given but it must be known.

452688 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Will, 2, #642 of 930 🔗
452701 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to LMS2, 6, #643 of 930 🔗

The deaths-by-underlying-cause charts show what bollocks the covid-on-death-certificate stats are. For example, look at cirrhosis and liver diseases and see how many deaths are coloured yellow to indicate covid-on-death-certificate. Are we really supposed to believe that covid was responsible for cirrhosis? Of course not, so straight away we have a bunch of “covid excess deaths” that are nothing of the sort. Multiply this by all the other non-respiratory causes of death and it shows how misleading the covid attribution is. Might it not be more likely that these poor sods died because they couldn’t get the medical care they needed?

Oh lordy, I’m being sucked back in again. I need to get back in my cupboard.

452707 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #644 of 930 🔗

Welcome to Lockdownistan
if the jab don’t get you the (lack of) NHS will
All C-19 certified no matter what

452719 ▶▶▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Mabel Cow, #645 of 930 🔗

With Mother Hubbarb?

452824 ▶▶ JayBee, replying to Will, #646 of 930 🔗

There was an official figure making the rounds in some sceptical articles a few months ago.
It was something like 368 or so, possibly even up to age 65 actually.

452685 LMS2, replying to LMS2, 7, #647 of 930 🔗

“A Lockdown Sceptics reader spotted what looks like a symbol of Communist China on their self-test kit.”
Well, yeah, look at where it’s manufactured.
“Xiamen Biotime Biotechnology Co.Ltd.
Dianne, Fujian, China.”

452714 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to LMS2, 1, #648 of 930 🔗

How’d they do that? First create a virus, then offer a test kit (already in production, gathering dust in a warehouse?) to detect it. Money money money.

452946 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to bebophaircut, #649 of 930 🔗

The Chinese
We must appease.

452834 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to LMS2, 1, #650 of 930 🔗

Why on earth would a sceptic want a home testing kit? I thought we all knew by now that these, and the paper muzzles, are generally made in China.

452702 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 14, #651 of 930 🔗

Just got the call about the jab.
Them: “We’d like to book your covid vaccination”
Me: “I won’t need it, thanks”
Them: “Ok, that’s fine. Bye”

And that was it!

452711 ▶▶ bebophaircut, replying to Sam Vimes, #652 of 930 🔗

With a checkmark next to your name, for possible future reference.

452720 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #653 of 930 🔗

Passed onto the Vaccine Hesitancy Unit next?

452734 ▶▶▶ iane, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 1, #654 of 930 🔗

AKA the Ministry Of Education! Room 101 for the truly lucky.

452888 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to iane, 4, #655 of 930 🔗

Ah Mr Vimes how are we today? What are you really afraid of? Rats? We can do rats.

452746 ▶▶ LMS2, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #656 of 930 🔗

We just say that we don’t want it yet, we will wait six months…

452823 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #657 of 930 🔗

Anal schwabs for you from now on dissenter

452855 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #658 of 930 🔗

Probably less dangerous, possibly more humiliating.

452890 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #659 of 930 🔗

The anal swabs still take material from the back of your throat, just from the opposite direction.

452709 bebophaircut, #660 of 930 🔗

And another one, BitTube:


Briefly explains what BitTube is all about.

452716 Ceriain, replying to Ceriain, 9, #661 of 930 🔗

The Fat Twat is giving a presser at 4pm today; he’ll be accompanied by Jenny “the masks don’t work” Harries.

452724 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Ceriain, 8, #662 of 930 🔗

She’s now been rehabilitated as Jenny “the masks do work after all” Harries.

452738 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Ceriain, 11, #663 of 930 🔗

Now the masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again.

Apologies to the Verve

452722 DRW, replying to DRW, 25, #664 of 930 🔗

Sad that the best part of the site is going. The forums, which I rarely visit, are no
match for the general interactive cut and thrust of the daily BTL comments. This platform and its posters have really helped me in these dark times, especially on my bad or really bad days.

It’s not perfect and have recently taken breaks but will miss it once it’s gone or split a dozen ways, it’s why I keep visiting after the ATL started degrading. I might have to find people in the real world damn it!

452733 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to DRW, 9, #665 of 930 🔗

I have emailed Toby to say exactly that.

452788 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #666 of 930 🔗

We should all probably do that, even if it’s a “we quit” thing.

453011 ▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to DRW, 1, #667 of 930 🔗

Did it earlier. TY replied with the same response given to others (see; JohnB’s post above). I replied, expressing disappointment at his allegations of toxicity, emphasising what a mine of reliable information and support the btl section has been and reminding him of the principle of free speech.

452769 ▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to DRW, 1, #668 of 930 🔗

Dumb I know but what’s BTL & ATL 🤔

452784 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Freddy Boy, #669 of 930 🔗

Below/Above the line.

452955 ▶▶▶▶ Freddy Boy, replying to DRW, #670 of 930 🔗

Thanks , I,m on Jim Bean atm , 🤪 what’s above & whats below & what’s the line ??

452976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Freddy Boy, #671 of 930 🔗

It’s the line which divides the LS daily news broadcast from the general comments section below it.

452725 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 6, #672 of 930 🔗

Email update re the site format –

People will still be able to comment beneath individual posts and on other topics in the Forums.

We no longer have the bandwidth to moderate the current comment page I’m afraid – too much stuff that is off topic, just straightforward spam (often in Cyrillic script), comments slagging off LS and its contributors, false claims about the vaccines (such as they alter your DNA), commenters insulting each other using abusive language, and so on. It’s become a bit of a toxic swamp that is damaging the site’s reputation and putting off respectable contributors.



452731 ▶▶ iane, replying to JohnB, 18, #673 of 930 🔗

Have you not yet heard about Reverse Transcriptases, which were shown, several decades ago, to allow RNA to be transcribed and copied into nuclear DNA?

Hardly a false claim: it won a Nobel Prize!

452741 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to iane, 14, #674 of 930 🔗

Toby is either ignorant of basic facts or has become compromised. He could get a much less stressful job with Facebook.

452737 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to JohnB, 23, #675 of 930 🔗

We must be respectable and mainstream above all else. Even though reality is no longer mainstream. I can understand the bandwidth stuff but the rets of the email suggests Toby is no longer very pro-free speech. How on earth can Toby Young say that it is a false claim to assert that the new gene therapy alters your DNA?

452745 ▶▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #676 of 930 🔗

This is one thing I have not yet got to grips with. Does mRNA alter DNA? Do viruses alter DNA?

452785 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 10, #677 of 930 🔗

See Iane’s comment above – and please note that nobodyy – least of all Toby Young – knows what the long term effects of this concoctions are going to be. The crowd pushing the Greta Rest and all – people like Gates – are all into GMO crops and the like. Is it being overly conspiratorial to suggest that they may be thinking in the same terms about humans?

452796 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #678 of 930 🔗

We should at least talk about it, even if we’re only ignorant peasants. That can’t alter the truth, can it, Mr Young?
Still, now I know I’m regarded as a less than ”respectable contributor” I may as well look for another home!
How odd, though, that he should quite deliberately alienate people who’ve supported him for so long?

452829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Banjones, 9, #679 of 930 🔗

It’s quite shocking actually. I wonder if James Delingpole could host us somewhere? I’ve been on Team James since Toby lost the plot.

452836 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #680 of 930 🔗

I hope so. I think there are many of us who need an alternative home.

453030 ▶▶▶▶ John, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #681 of 930 🔗

No mRNA does not alter DNA.
Do viruses alter DNA? Yes and no. Yes, DNA based viruses are believed to have been incorporated into animal DNA, including humans. No, RNA viruses are believed no to alter DNA
(h/t Claire Craig)

453066 ▶▶▶▶▶ John, replying to John, #682 of 930 🔗

No mRNA does not alter DNA.
Do viruses alter DNA? Yes and no. Yes, DNA based viruses are believed to have been incorporated into animal DNA, including humans. No, RNA viruses are believed not to alter DNA, with the possible exception of HIV, see below.
(h/t Claire Craig)

The retro virus HIV infects the cells associated with the immune system (T cells, macrophages, Dendritic cells). Which is why, if left untreated, the infection leads to Acquired Immunity Deficiency Syndrome.

The virus is able to convert its RNA into DNA because the virus contains within itself the necessary enzyme transcriptase to do this.

The resulting DNA can be integrated into the infected cells DNA because the virus contains the necessary enzyme, integrase, to do this. This may lie dormant for years.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV

452808 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #683 of 930 🔗

The mRNA ones likely can’t, the Vector ones definetely can, but it is very rare and unlikely.
This is a recent article in the official German pharmacists trade journal CONFIRMING this.
It is a poor excuse for him though, the list of potential, still unknowable medium and longterm side effects beyond that is long and serious.

452830 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to JayBee, 11, #684 of 930 🔗

At a minimum, nobody can argue that when the mRNA turns your body into a spike protein factory there is no “off” switch. Good luck with that.

452884 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 11, #685 of 930 🔗

Bottom line is the scientists with the full consent of pretty much everyone are tampering, in a highly novel, reckless and wholly inadequately tested way, with our highly complex natural immune systems without having the full understanding of how it works and what the long term effects might be. I guess we will find out the hard way.

452948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Prof Feargoeson, #686 of 930 🔗

…or not, but I’m not intending to find out!

452989 ▶▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #687 of 930 🔗

Potentially, a choice between Scylla and Charybdis, for sure.
And why I will definetely wait for a traditional one, if I can’t avoid getting it at all.
And even they seem to have become less traditional and more questionable, mainly through being pimped with nanoparticles and novel adjuvants though.
Still, I’d rather take that risk than ADE, FFWO, PEG&co.

452975 ▶▶▶▶ V, replying to JayBee, 1, #688 of 930 🔗

RNA can’t affect your DNA.

(tell that to the HIV virus)

452929 ▶▶▶ franknhonest, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #689 of 930 🔗

Because it doesn’t? Doesn’t it just operate on DNA, not change it?…

452740 ▶▶ Ceriain, replying to JohnB, 24, #690 of 930 🔗

comments slagging off LS and its contributors

I think that’s called ‘Free Speech, Toby.

He’s definitely caved.

I really think that is the end for me, folks. It’s been fun, but I am now definitely out of here… and I thought I was one of the “ respectable contributors “.

452798 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Ceriain, 6, #691 of 930 🔗

FSU = Free Speech Unknown.

452806 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Ceriain, 5, #692 of 930 🔗

Wait until an alternative hangout is suggested?

452748 ▶▶ jb12, replying to JohnB, 38, #693 of 930 🔗

Well, it appears my time here is at an end. I knew the site had taken an ‘interesting’ approach to the vaccines, and it seems that this is why the comments are being split up; I expect anything that isn’t in the tenor of the ATL commentary of them will be censored. I am not sure what ‘respectable’ contributors Toby thinks he isn’t getting because there are people on this side of the line who are looking beyond the Telegraph and government press releases for their information on the vaccines. It would be my contention in that case that they aren’t worth having in the first place.

If this post doesn’t get censored, I’d like to thank everyone on here for their comments and the information I have received reading them. If you all manage to congregate somewhere else online, I hope to be able to find you somehow.

Take care.

452752 ▶▶▶ pub with no beer, replying to jb12, 7, #694 of 930 🔗

well said

452810 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to jb12, 2, #695 of 930 🔗

Would Gab suffice? I don’t know – I haven’t used it. Just a stab in the dark – or do I mean ”jab”?

452813 ▶▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Banjones, 3, #696 of 930 🔗

Way ahead of you

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

452851 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #697 of 930 🔗

I’ve put in a request to join. The more the merrier!

452979 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to jb12, 5, #698 of 930 🔗

It seems obvious that the Johnson cabal will tolerate the Tory faithful being pro free speech, and even anti-lockdown, but draw the line at being anti-vaccine.

Thank you for what you have done in the past Toby and sorry you have been threatened now.

452749 ▶▶ Steve F, replying to JohnB, 19, #699 of 930 🔗

I just had the same response and was about to post it but you beat me to the line.
I feel quite stung by Toby’s unfair criticisms. This is a “toxic swamp that is damaging the site’s reputation and putting of respectable contributors,” is it? I don’t think that’s how we see things but we don’t get a choice. The “toxic swamp” is to be drained, whether we like it or not.

452759 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to JohnB, 16, #700 of 930 🔗

The disreputable better leave ??!! Yes civilised discourse is nice, but I’m grown up enough to cope with Nasty words and sometimes reading an expletive filled rant mirrors how I feel though I wouldn’t post it .

452766 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to JohnB, 5, #701 of 930 🔗

We can use other websites, one idea I have is to use the financial site advfn.com it literally has thousands of discussion boards. I’ve been a member there for nearly twenty years. I can create a Covid discussion thread and people are free to post whatever they want. Each post is timed, dated and numbered. The thread header can be kept up to date with the latest links and info. I ‘ve created a thread as I typed this, you’ll need to become a member though, it’s free


452779 ▶▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Andrew K, -2, #702 of 930 🔗

Ignore the previous link use this below, you can find the thread by using epic C19

From the main screen click Free BB, then type C19 where it says EPIC.

452793 ▶▶ DRW, replying to JohnB, 14, #703 of 930 🔗

So much for “free speech” then Toby…

452821 ▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to DRW, 7, #704 of 930 🔗

Hypocrites galore these days….

452795 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, 9, #705 of 930 🔗

”… such as they alter your DNA…” Well, a lot of us read a lot of things, and this came out loud and clear. We didn’t make it up! Isn’t that just another facet of ”free speech” – or who’s to say what is ”false”?
Sad, isn’t it?

452797 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to JohnB, 13, #706 of 930 🔗

There was more traffic here in the Autumn, but seemingly no problems keeping up with the moderation, so far as that was necessary.

I take it, one way or another, this is another sacrifice to the vaccine god.

452811 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 16, #707 of 930 🔗

Nice. I’ve never not come on to the comments and found something extremely useful. Never engaged in any name calling or whatever.

He’s pro vax and that’s it. It’s as clear as day. Hitchens, Swayne, Sumption, TY all in a week, coincidence?

452909 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #708 of 930 🔗

(Off topic, but if things do fall apart, I have to say that your user name has made me smile on many days when nothing else did. Thank you.)

452961 ▶▶▶ Mutineer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #709 of 930 🔗

So disappointed. I thought Toby was different. I joined his Free Speech Society but don’t think I want to remain if he is censoring honest and pleasant (usually) discussion.I am so worried about where to get decent conversation and facts now.

452853 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, 13, #710 of 930 🔗

Has anyone here ever noticed anything in ”Cyrillic script”? I haven’t, and I come here nearly every day. (Only briefly – much too busy to linger, of course……..)
So is he suggesting that moderating/censoring all the unpleasant stuff is taking too much time? Or is that just a distraction from the real reason: ”false claims about the vaccines” ?

452917 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Banjones, 1, #711 of 930 🔗

Cyrillic script – it was the Russians?

452858 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JohnB, -1, #712 of 930 🔗

Fuck off traitor Jones

452878 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to JohnB, 5, #713 of 930 🔗

Oh FGS – yep its a carbon copy of what happened at Guido’s.

LS has become too big to fail and now must dispense of its “toxic readership”.

452920 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Katabasis, 4, #714 of 930 🔗

Not surprised – as the tone of the ATL articles wound down and the vaccine promotion stepped up seemed inevitable over the last few weeks.

452972 ▶▶ V, replying to JohnB, #715 of 930 🔗

Good bye, good luck, good riddance.

452750 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #716 of 930 🔗

Dr Osterholm was one of the most respected infectious disease epidemiologists around pre Covid-19.He has not got C-19 but obviously been hit by C-19 derangement syndrome and gone complete bonkers.But he has been selected to sit  in Biden’s C-19 team.


 “Michael Osterholm has spent the past year as afraid of getting Covid as anyone else. “You know how many times I’ve woken up in the morning and said, I wonder if today’s the day I could get infected?” One of the world’s leading epidemiologists, he is reassured by the fact that he doesn’t go anywhere—“I’m the guy who has the same tank of gas in his car that he had three months ago”—but he, too, is desperate to be done with the pandemic.”

452791 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to swedenborg, 6, #717 of 930 🔗

Poor sod doesn’t realise that it was over last May. He should get out more.

452828 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Banjones, 2, #718 of 930 🔗

If he tries to, he’ll be lucky if his car starts …

452816 ▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to swedenborg, 8, #719 of 930 🔗

He says he’s staking is reputation and credibility on a deadly wave due to new variants in the next few months. Can we hold him to that? Can we please hold every “expert” who got it wrong accountable and never have to hear from them again? What a twit. He admits to being in a fearful state for the last year. People in constant fear do not make good decisions.

452865 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to swedenborg, 1, #720 of 930 🔗

Good to see Sleepy-Byeden surrounding himself with elderly bedwetters, Birds of a feather etc. Should help the US power out of the Pandemic with courage and imagination.

452754 jos, replying to jos, 4, #721 of 930 🔗

Just went on the Panscepticon site as someone on here suggested and found most of the comments were word for word ones I’ve seen on here. Are these people who are trolling or just someone who copies and pastes their comments? Very strange but didn’t make me want to go on there again. I get the feeling that many of the people on many of these sites are paid to comment and to gauge or stir up dissent. One thing that I’ve lost in the last year is trust – it’s gone totally and it makes me feel even more isolated but I’m not sure how I will ever get that back.

452760 ▶▶ rockoman, replying to jos, 2, #722 of 930 🔗

It doesn’t necessarily mean the commenters aren’t genuine.

It just means that the are active on two different sites, ad then when they think they have something particularly pertinent to say, that they paste-and-copy rather than rephrasing it again.

452761 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jos, 7, #723 of 930 🔗

[sigh] will someone else explain?

452775 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #724 of 930 🔗

It’s a mirror site – with a couple of nice features added.

Which means we shouldn’t be surprised when it’s word for word the same.

Show’s it’s doing it’s job.

I’s meant to be like that.

452891 ▶▶▶▶ jos, replying to rockoman, 3, #725 of 930 🔗

Sorry- I didn’t know that – but you don’t need to sigh.. I’ve been patiently explaining all sorts of things I’ve discovered in the past year to people who didn’t know something without actually verbally expressing the fact that I’m sighing even though I felt like it. Patience is a virtue which we may well have discovered in the last 12 months.

452765 ▶▶ leggy, replying to jos, 5, #726 of 930 🔗

It’s a mirror of the comments here. Essentially a scrape. That’s why it’s word for word.

452768 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to jos, 19, #727 of 930 🔗

Panscepticon is a word-for-word mirror of Lockdown Sceptics.

Its purpose is to provide an easier-to-search version of the comments from LS, with some additional information such as a list of all LS articles , a list of every useful link posted in the comments, as well as summaries of user activity.

I created Panscepticon and I’m the only one who can post to it, so I can guarantee you that there is no malfeasance.

452802 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Mabel Cow, 5, #728 of 930 🔗

Maybe you could create a new forum for us? 🙂

452837 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Mic67, 2, #729 of 930 🔗

Yes, please, Mabel!

452856 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mabel Cow, #730 of 930 🔗

just had a look. It has the upticks and downticks set in stone.

452758 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #731 of 930 🔗

Is it me or the narrative is slowly falling apart as the following has disappeared from the news? Or gone down like a lead balloon

  1. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Virus Brazillian version
  2. The Queen’s ill advised comments about the vaccine

Anything else I’ve missed?

452767 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #732 of 930 🔗

I think that the narrative, by any critical rational criteria, fell apart way back.

But, I fear that the underlying propaganda-evoked fear remains incredibly powerful, despite the signs of people ignoring the diktats. It’s an interesting psychological contradiction.

452770 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RickH, 1, #733 of 930 🔗

There are people picking and choosing what they want to follow.

452803 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #734 of 930 🔗

SA variant has gone quiet too, must have given up over the domestic competition

452849 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DRW, 1, #735 of 930 🔗

the Nigerian one disappeared and the Californian one looks like it’s going the same way

452859 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to DRW, 5, #736 of 930 🔗

The Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
variant is primed and ready to go
One of the new symptoms is it can turn your children into sex pests

452947 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Crystal Decanter, #737 of 930 🔗

As well as giving them dyslexia.

453083 ▶▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Crystal Decanter, #738 of 930 🔗

Apparently the train guard on that station used to shout ‘anyone in here for out there?’

452860 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #739 of 930 🔗

12 months of life?

452764 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 38, #740 of 930 🔗

A sad day. This forum has brought me so much useful information, directly and indirectly. It has been so refreshing to read contributions where there is no ‘piling on’, and people as a matter of course, ask for proof and sources etc. It’s been great to be amongst other ‘scientists by inclination’, as I think of myself. I hope we can stay in touch somehow. If it doesn’t work out, well so long and thanks for all the fish, every one of ’em.

452773 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #741 of 930 🔗

From tomorrow it might still be possible for us to continue btl by just clicking on today’s date on the calendar (8th March) and every day we just come to here (this dialogue) and continue commenting?

452812 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Andrea Salford, 2, #742 of 930 🔗

Possible, if not closed by mods, but would become incredibly large.

452846 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Sam Vimes, #743 of 930 🔗

The forums do provide I little more structure to discussions and it probably means you can follow a discussion a little more easier than you can here, find posts and have a record of where useful posts are. I think we can continue much like we are now, it will just need a little getting used to.

452774 bebophaircut, 1, #744 of 930 🔗


From high school grad to first year college dropout

452776 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 7, #745 of 930 🔗

this is where everyone is.

452792 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to steve_w, 7, #746 of 930 🔗

Yep, for now. Seems they’re closing us from tomorrow so I’m just going to come back here by choosing ‘8th March’ then ‘comments’ from tomorrow and hope we are all still here and can comment?

452801 ▶▶▶ Steve F, replying to Andrea Salford, 9, #747 of 930 🔗

Nice idea but I think it’ll only work for a short time. I’m sure TY is determined to break up this subversive gathering (see his response to emails below). I guess we have to move on.

452807 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Steve F, 4, #748 of 930 🔗

It reminds me of what happened to Guido Fawkes a few years ago. A lot of people on there moved to Going Postal. I’m not sure where we could go.

452804 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andrea Salford, 13, #749 of 930 🔗

I was thinking the same thing. Very upsetting to lose the one place we can come together. But there are so many smart people here I suspect someone will come up with a “hack.”

452818 ▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 16, #750 of 930 🔗


Completely sceptical of the narrative from day one.

Articles every day.

452825 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to rockoman, 5, #751 of 930 🔗

I was going to suggest off-guardian. 🙂 Thx rocko.

452831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to JohnB, 4, #752 of 930 🔗

You’re welcome.

Good comments section.

452838 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiona Walker, replying to rockoman, 2, #753 of 930 🔗

Off Guardian it is then. I think my user name is different there…

452778 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 6, #754 of 930 🔗

A second person I know has been told that they cannot have an operation within 2 weeks of having a covid jab, is this common policy for all vaccines or just c19 ones. Neither thought to ask unfortunately.

452898 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 4, #755 of 930 🔗

I was told this as well. Not that I got as far as the surgery as my private hip replacement was cancelled when I would not have the PCR test. I found another private hospital who would do a different test (throat swab as I have severe nasal issues) but the wonderful NHS has commandeered private beds again. Last year they did this at a cost of £400m per month, although three quarters weren’t used. It seems that none of us are to be treated, even if we pay. It is mandatory that we must suffer for years. The NHS hospitals are empty and yet they are moving ‘urgent’ cases into the private sector. Now I doubt I’ll ever get surgery as they will bring in ‘no vaccine/no surgery’ soon and maybe even ‘no vaccine/no GP or dentist.

452782 eptwll, replying to eptwll, 22, #756 of 930 🔗

Just saw my first double masker in Galway. I watched this woman drive up in a mask by herself in the car with what looked to be about a 9month old baby. While walking across the car park with the baby on one hip, she pulled out a second mask and tried to put it, almost dropping the baby. If you are so afraid of a virus that you think you need a second mask, you have no business being in charge of a child.

452800 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to eptwll, 6, #757 of 930 🔗

Depressing sight. We’ve a job on our hands to sort this mess out on so many levels

452809 ▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to eptwll, 6, #758 of 930 🔗

She won’t last long
Bacteria are on our side

452814 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Crystal Decanter, 3, #759 of 930 🔗

Sorted them pesky martians out, anyway 🙂

452843 ▶▶▶▶ warthog, replying to Sam Vimes, #760 of 930 🔗

No, no, they are still there, having taken over SAGE!

452783 Banjones, 4, #761 of 930 🔗

For a lot of interesting information in one place – shows not all the NZers are taking it lying down.

452868 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to rockoman, 2, #763 of 930 🔗

Let’s call it what it is now – Stage 2 in the Globalist’s plan – “Cyber Pogrom”.

452815 Crystal Decanter, replying to Crystal Decanter, 10, #764 of 930 🔗

The exclusive Gab group is still here
a few more posters and it might even be fun

Lockdown sceptics https://gab.com/groups/7848

452827 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Crystal Decanter, #765 of 930 🔗

Is Gab an app? I don’t have a Google account so tracking apps down can be tricky.

452852 ▶▶▶ Crystal Decanter, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #766 of 930 🔗

Bog standard website- Google hates Gab and vice versa so you will be fine
We will be compiling useful info from the darkest corners of the interwebz re vaccine certs and the obtaining of

452840 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #767 of 930 🔗

I’ve just signed up and requested to join, do I have to perform some sort of joining ritual to be accepted?

452848 ▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Andrew K, 2, #768 of 930 🔗

I just did the same. I guess we’ll find out if we’re fit to join!

452875 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, #769 of 930 🔗

Me too.

452886 ▶▶▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to stewart, #770 of 930 🔗

me too.

452895 ▶▶▶ AshesThanDust, replying to Andrew K, 4, #771 of 930 🔗

Yep. Please have your black rooster and athame to hand, and await instructions.

453069 ▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to AshesThanDust, #772 of 930 🔗

Joined up too though I can only find a rubber chicken and a Stanley Knife. Hope that does the trick.

452983 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Andrew K, 4, #773 of 930 🔗

No, you just have to send them a photocopy of your vaccine certificate.

453056 ▶▶▶ kate, replying to Andrew K, #774 of 930 🔗

I have requested to join the GAB group too. This site has been a lifeline, and I have benefitted from everyone’s expertise in finding information I would not otherwise come across.
Too valuable to lose. Hope to see you all there.

452842 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Crystal Decanter, #775 of 930 🔗

Never usually bothered with SM but I might sign up for that later.

452867 ▶▶ Freecumbria, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #776 of 930 🔗

Thanks. I’ve put in a request to join.

452870 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Crystal Decanter, #777 of 930 🔗

Just requested to join.

452894 ▶▶ davews, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #778 of 930 🔗

I shall have to look into Gab. Having read the Wikipedia article on them I am not sure it is a place I would fit in, it seems to have had quite a history. Whatever, it looks as if here is no longer the daily come to site.

452987 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, #779 of 930 🔗

There are a lot of US groups like antifa on there.
Just join the Gab Lockdown Sceptics group and stick to that.

452924 ▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Crystal Decanter, 1, #780 of 930 🔗

I’m new to this (never did Twitter) but I have an account now and found the group. I’ve sent a request to join, do you know how long it takes to be admitted and how I’ll know?

452988 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrea Salford, #781 of 930 🔗

I was accepted very quickly a few weeks ago. If they’re suddenly flooded by refugees from here, it might take an hour or two.

453048 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Cheezilla, #782 of 930 🔗

I’m in now (I think), no idea what I’m doing or where I’m going? Hopefully I’ll bump into someone from here soon.

452984 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Crystal Decanter, 2, #783 of 930 🔗

I’ve just been looking there. Some good articles posted but none of the friendly banter we get here.

452819 Ossettian, replying to Ossettian, 55, #784 of 930 🔗

Hitchens, Swayne, Sumption and now this site.

It seems that, while opposition to lockdown is tolerated, opposition to the “vaccine” program isn’t.

452847 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to Ossettian, 14, #785 of 930 🔗

Yes, sinister.

452826 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 28, #786 of 930 🔗

Make of this what you will. One of the mothers at my son’s school shares my loathing of lockdowns and all other restrictions/diktats. Her husband’s in the army. I said to her today, ‘Don’t slap me, but how much do you wanna bet that the kids will be off school again within a month, perhaps due to a ‘dangerous new variant’?’ She said, ‘Nah. It’ll be October. Full lockdown again.’ She said it with such certainty. ‘Oh yeah?’ I replied. Turns out the army’s ‘preparing’ for ‘the next wave’ to come after the summer holidays/mingling when they ‘expect’ the NHS to be ‘overwhelmed’.

Isn’t it marvellous that the army is not only ‘concerned’ with such things but apparently ‘on top of these things’ also?

452833 ▶▶ this is my username, replying to JohnDanny, 7, #787 of 930 🔗

Thanks for sharing that. Useful intel possibly! Concerning too.

452844 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JohnDanny, 16, #788 of 930 🔗

It’s always going to be thus. New variants, new lockdowns, new jabs. Rinse and repeat. Faux-medical fascism on a scale the world has never seen.

452861 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to leggy, 9, #789 of 930 🔗

This is what’s I’ve been saying. Government has laid the groundwork for a perpetual game of Chase the Variant.

452887 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 2, #790 of 930 🔗

The armed forces are the embodiment of the force of the state par excellence.

452978 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnDanny, 1, #791 of 930 🔗

Makes you wonder why the NHS is never on top of things.

453033 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #792 of 930 🔗

I think my dad was killed by the Pfizer vax. He had it on 20th Jan. Three weeks later he had very painful joints. A few weeks later he developed rashes on all lower half of body and swollen hands and feet. He was in hospital for 10 days and diagnosed with renal vasculitis. On researching this I found that it can be caused by an unusual immune reaction to an infection or allergic reaction to medication. ( vaccine ?) My sister fought to get him out, he didn’t want to be there, we couldn’t see him, and they said he was too frail for further biopsies.when they got him out they were shocked at how he had deteriorated and how neglected he looked. He could hardly take two steps and support himself. He died peacefully at home in his own bed 2 days later. Two ambulance men and a policeman came to certify death. And actually we felt like we were accused of murder. The hospital had said that they weren’t expecting him to die. No death certificate signed yet as coroner still trying to talk to a doctor. I have reported on the yellow card scheme but nothing will ever be proved and big pharma continues to make trillions

453040 ▶▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to rose, 3, #793 of 930 🔗

Oh Rose I’m so sorry to hear that, horrendous for you. Feel for your loss.

452832 PatrickF, 44, #794 of 930 🔗

67 million are locked up for the 65 who died today, from/with Covid.
That’s the data, Boris!

452850 kenadams, replying to kenadams, 15, #795 of 930 🔗

What I don’t understand anymore is what’s in it for the media? I understand for the owners, but for the journalists? They still have to live in this horrible world they are helping to create. Perhaps at some point this year the reality will dawn on them and they might start standing up to their owners and writing sceptic articles?

452854 ▶▶ Andrew K, replying to kenadams, 10, #796 of 930 🔗

It’s with any organisation where the main funding is via Government or Bill Gates. You have to toe the company line or you’re out of work.

452862 ▶▶▶ kenadams, replying to Andrew K, 5, #797 of 930 🔗

But soon even out of work in an old normal might look more attractive than in work in the new normal?

452863 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to kenadams, 6, #798 of 930 🔗

They must secure their place with the new order by ingratiating themselves.

Makes me wonder if this is the gamble Chris Snowden made.

452872 ▶▶ stewart, replying to kenadams, 4, #799 of 930 🔗

Nobody is thinking at this point. Just reacting.

452881 ▶▶ RickH, replying to kenadams, 5, #800 of 930 🔗

I think you’ve answered your own question. The owners are the job-givers. Then there’s group-think, synthetic virtue, and all sorts of psychological resolution of conflict going on.

True independent, awkward squad, investigative journalism is an almost defunct art.

452857 JohnDanny, replying to JohnDanny, 22, #801 of 930 🔗

I’ve had ‘the call’ from my doctors surgery. A young lady, full of the joys of spring, was clearly delighted to tell me that my ‘appointment for the vaccine’ was ready and asked me when – not *if* – I would like my appointment. I was tempted to tie her in knots by asking some rather obvious questions, such as *which* ‘vaccine’?, why she was apparently so enthusiastic about a novel biotechnology being injected into people, and why she automatically assumed I’d want such an injection, but, regrettably, I couldn’t be arsed.

I just said, ‘Actually, I will not be having the injection.’ Palpable silence. Then, ‘Oh. Okay, Mr. JD, I’ll take you off the list.’ ‘Marvellous, sweetheart.’

Perhaps I’m in a particularly good mood. Perhaps her being a mere receptionist made me hold back.

452877 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnDanny, 6, #802 of 930 🔗

You’re right – there’s no point in blaming the victims, and the victims include those who are told to carry out tasks – such as the receptionist; particularly in this context of mass brainwashing. I have never encountered undue pressure, in fact. Just saying ‘No’ is sufficient, and there’s little point in posturing.

It does leave you in a quandry, because each unremarked encounter is tacit reinforcement. On the other hand, no converts are made by ear-bashing and being seen as simply a bore.

452883 ▶▶▶ Katabasis, replying to RickH, 5, #803 of 930 🔗

Indeed…if you get a ‘why?’ though, time to unload a little.

452974 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Katabasis, 1, #804 of 930 🔗

I was asked why and replied that I’ve had covid and therefore didn’t think I needed it.
I don’t know which box was ticked on my behalf. Wish I’d thought to ask – delayed brain!

452911 ▶▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to RickH, 5, #805 of 930 🔗

The only thing I ‘blame’ the ‘victims’ for is their acceptance of the narrative and their lack of inquisitiveness. If by ‘victims’ you mean those subjected to the onslaught of psychological manipulation, then I agree to a point, but these are not mere victims. They are human beings capable of curiosity and engaging in rational thought. To paint them as mere victims is to a) insult their intelligence and rationality, and b) absolve them of their responsibilities as rational human beings.

452869 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 8, #806 of 930 🔗

(Video) Doctor who mocked “anti-vaxxers” & “Covidiots” as he had Covid Jab dies just days later

452873 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Basileus, 5, #807 of 930 🔗

Is it very wicked of me to smirk a little?

452874 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Basileus, 1, #808 of 930 🔗

Now that’s brought a smile to my face.

452933 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Basileus, 3, #809 of 930 🔗

Cause of Death

Ia. Severe alveolar haemorrhages due to cytokinic storm following gene therapy.
Ib. Hubris
Ic. Actual covidiocy

II. Traumatic brain injury
Stupidity complicated by inappropriate delusions of superiority.

452942 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basileus, 1, #810 of 930 🔗

But he’s a Timelord, he can’t die! Just turn into a woman!

452882 Katabasis, 11, #811 of 930 🔗

Just saw Toby’s clarificatory email below on the changes to the forum. Ugh.

452889 TimeIsNow, replying to TimeIsNow, 14, #812 of 930 🔗

Hello. I’ll have to say bye for now then. I’ll see if I can make sense of the gab group. This forum has been really interesting and I have enjoyed the wide range of viewpoints. Thanks all.

452964 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TimeIsNow, 1, #813 of 930 🔗

What’s the Gab group called please?
Doh! It’s Gab Lockdown Sceptics!
We do need one easily accessible home for this community.

452896 Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 14, #814 of 930 🔗

Like others, I’m quite upset to be losing our general comments section as it has been a lifesaver for me. I’m not very technologically literate, but it seems that the daily stories on the Home Page each have a comments section that looks exactly like this vs. the other forums where a new topic has to be started. Could we all agree that the comments section of the first story of the day become our general comments section? Might be a bit of a challenge if the first story gets bumped down as new stories are added, but we could try to comment on those to remind people that the “main” comments section for the day is Story X, which today I think is the mental health of women declining due to lockdown. There’s nothing stopping anyone from an “off topic” comment I’m guessing. If I’m not understanding how the new format works, I apologize in advance!

452899 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 8, #815 of 930 🔗

I think you’ve understood correctly and your suggestion is a good one

452900 ▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 3, #816 of 930 🔗

We should try this – it’s a question of what moderation is applied for off-topic comments….

452903 ▶▶ Sarigan (Day 350 of lockdown), replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 2, #817 of 930 🔗

I am not seeing comments or option to post comments on the home page only here in daily update.

452910 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Sarigan (Day 350 of lockdown), 4, #818 of 930 🔗

You have to click the title line of each article or ‘read more’ at the bottom, then you will go to a full page with comments (few) at the bottom. From the tone of Toby’s email I would assume the moderators would not allow the first article comments to be taken over as a general comments one, they sadly want to keep comments related to their own chosen topics.

452914 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, replying to davews, 4, #819 of 930 🔗

I would say that’s the risk. If the mods will pull down any comment that’s not related to the article in question then my suggestion won’t work.

452935 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to davews, 2, #820 of 930 🔗

on the plus side it does give more than one chance to be first to comment.

452904 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #821 of 930 🔗

Are we actually losing the general comments facility? I clicked on the ‘Today’s Update’ button at the top of the page and I get to here, where general comments can be added. Is this going to change? Apologies if I’ve missed something – I’ve been away for a couple of days and not looked at the developments here.

452915 ▶▶▶ Andrea Salford, replying to Tenchy, 1, #822 of 930 🔗

I understand this is the last day we can do this, they’re turning it off from tomorrow. Not sure if from tomorrow we’ll able to come back to ‘today’ if you know what I mean? (Eg use the calendar to come to 8 March thread and just keep commenting here?)

452923 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrea Salford, 1, #823 of 930 🔗

If they lock comments on every daily update then we won’t be able to.

452919 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lisa (formerly) from Toronto, 4, #824 of 930 🔗

In the end, the changes are a bit of a dog’s dinner, and pretty obviously linked to the waning interest lying behind all the pretended rationale. I understand to some extent- the war has not been won, and there is little likelihood that Lockdown Sceptics is going to change that, especially with its fatigued acceptance of the vaccine narrative (I note the accepting repetition of the term ‘vaccine hesitancy’ – which is a capitulation of thought to the dominant narrative, and a minimisation of the reasons behind the suspicions and objections of the well-informed).

Fragmenting comment isn’t much of a solution to anything. There is an observable syndrome where, to be frank, as the day progresses, the comments section becomes a therapy echo chamber of repetitive moaning and too much irrelevant hobby-horsing. BUT the genuine links to hard information – if sparser – have been an invaluable exchange And I include in that all those personal experiences and insights. As has the ATL general ‘Round Up’.

I can’t see any value in dispersing those positive aspects, and the links that can be made between comments on different issues.

452905 Mabel Cow, replying to Mabel Cow, 8, #825 of 930 🔗

I’ve just created r/LockdownSceptics on Reddit so that I can squat the name on our behalf.

For the time being I’ve set the community to be private so you’ll (a) need a Reddit account, and (b) need to ping me via the “Message the Moderators” (or some such) button.

Please feel free to discuss below if you have any additional ideas for how we might go about reclaiming our freedom again (this is getting to be a habit…). I don’t know whether making the community private is the right way to go and I’ve never been much of a Redditor so comments and suggestions are welcome.

452918 ▶▶ Katabasis, replying to Mabel Cow, #826 of 930 🔗

Reddit are very censorious on this topic though – as soon as it gets noticed it could get hollowed out very quickly. Or does leaving it private avoid the wrath of the mods?

452922 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Katabasis, 6, #827 of 930 🔗

Buggered if I know. One would hope that private means private, but what the hell does private mean anymore?

We could test the theory by immediately having a vaccine-bashing party and see what happens!

452996 ▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Mabel Cow, #828 of 930 🔗

I’m on Reddit and just clicked on it and it wouldn’t even let me mod mail you to join

453024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to CapLlam, #829 of 930 🔗

In an attempt to make r/LockdownSceptics easier to join, I’ve changed it from private to restricted, which means anyone can read it but you need to ask to join. Maybe this will help.

453047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CapLlam, replying to Mabel Cow, #830 of 930 🔗

I can now see it and have joined

452906 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 39, #831 of 930 🔗

Fifteen impossible things I am expected to believe before breakfast:

Wearing a mask protects me and others from a virus.

A virus with an IFR of under 1% necessitates a worldwide lockdown.

Even if I have had the virus it is essential that I have a vaccine.

A vaccine that has had no long term studies is perfectly safe.

Even though I am a ‘Covid survivor’ I am a danger to others but if vaccinated (though no guarantee of immunity or cessation of spreading) I’m good to go.

Masking children and testing them twice a week is a good idea.

Vaccinating pregnant women poses no threat to their babies.

There are no consequences to locking down a country for a year.

There is a logic to social distancing in the check in queue at airports but we can sit (practically) on each others laps on the plane.

Whilst one sat down the virus is inactive.

Supressing one’s immune system will have no future consequences.

Obesity is a factor in a bad outcome if infected but shutting gyms is a good idea.

The postponement of cancer screening and treatments is necessary.

The NHS has never been in crisis until this year.

The government is interested in our health.

I could go on…………

452959 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #832 of 930 🔗

Funny that this year is the first time in decades that the NHS hasn’t been in crisis.

452977 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, #833 of 930 🔗

Because of masks, lockdowns and perspex screens, obviously!

452913 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 19, #834 of 930 🔗

Today it is 350 days since March 23rd 2020

50 weeks to flatten the curve

452921 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to rockoman, 4, #835 of 930 🔗

It’s been a rollercoaster.

452926 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 5, #836 of 930 🔗

Or a roundabout?

452954 ▶▶▶▶ JayBee, replying to Mic67, 3, #837 of 930 🔗

Definetely a cul de sac

452925 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 19, #838 of 930 🔗

Some have been questioning the point of antilockdown parties in The May elections when lockdown will be about over (possibly)

I would suggest antilockdown people should support antilockdown parties and those parties should have a commitment to a) never having a lockdown again b) bringing those responsible to trial

We all know more lockdowns are coming unless we do something

452957 ▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, #839 of 930 🔗

You’re right in intention, Steve.

But practically, the inevitable lack of support will strengthen the government’s hand.

452930 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #840 of 930 🔗

This is a queue for a food bank, but apparently being anti lockdown is being selfish!!??


452945 ▶▶ RickH, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #841 of 930 🔗

What a truly horrendous visual commentary on Lockdown Britain.

452949 ▶▶▶ trevorpee, replying to RickH, 4, #842 of 930 🔗

Not least because of the sight of so many people wearing face masks outside.

452953 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to trevorpee, 2, #843 of 930 🔗

I thought that too!

452958 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to trevorpee, 3, #844 of 930 🔗

I presume they’ve all been told to wear them in line, or no food. It’s grim.

452960 ▶▶▶▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #845 of 930 🔗

At least they don’t yet have to have had both jabs to get the food.

452967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Prof Feargoeson, 4, #846 of 930 🔗


452969 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 1, #847 of 930 🔗

There’s just over 1 million who’ve had both jabs. They haven’t got the numbers they want yet

452966 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to trevorpee, 3, #848 of 930 🔗

No – not even that excrescence tops the basic fact of Food Banks.

452950 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #849 of 930 🔗

holy flip, at least there is such a lovely community spirit. It brings a tear to my eye, beautiful.

452939 renegadepoet, #850 of 930 🔗

Where it’s all leading to….

452941 trevorpee, replying to trevorpee, 10, #851 of 930 🔗

Is anyone else a little irked by this phrase “… patients who have not come forward for treatment because of the pandemic…”?

People have not been declining treatment – it has been expressly denied us. I had an emergency admission to hospital just over eighteen months ago with what I eventually discovered to be a brain infection (although no-one thought to give me a diagnosis personally, this was revealed to me by admin staff at my GP). After being discharged I had to agitate for a follow-up appointment where the neurologist offered no treatment but said I would be ‘actively monitored’. Since then I’ve heard nothing. Perhaps they’ve all had to re-train as respiratory specialists and are fighting on the front line in our overwhelmed ICUs.

452952 ▶▶ Mic67, replying to trevorpee, 4, #852 of 930 🔗

Yes every text I’ve had has said DO NOT ATTEND THE HOSPITAL in capitals.

452991 ▶▶ Mutineer, replying to trevorpee, 5, #853 of 930 🔗

I have had my surgery cancelled many times I went private in desperation and the NHS commandeered the private hospitals last year at a cost of £400m per month and yet three quarters weren’t used. I finally got a date for January but it was cancelled as I refused a PCR test (nasal surgery and severe nosebleeds in the past) I found a different and more accommodating hospital who would do a throat swab but the wonderful NHS has taken the beds again. I am expecting it will soon be ‘no vaccine/no surgery’ or even ‘no vaccine/no GP or dentist’. The NHS hospitals are next to empty but they are still stopping patients even being able to buy their own surgery.

453001 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Mutineer, #854 of 930 🔗

Oh god, I feel fuming *for* you.

452943 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 10, #855 of 930 🔗

These buggers just will not give up! This from the Telegraph coronavirus live feed (free):


Covid cases, hospital admissions and deaths continue to fall

Dr Jenny Harries, England’s deputy chief medical officer, has said that coronavirus cases, hospital admissions and deaths are all continuing to fall.

Dr Harries told a No 10 news conference that infections were now below 100 per 100,000 of population in every part of the country and were back to where they were in September.

“This is a level at which a new wave could easily take off from again,” she said.

She said that deaths were falling faster than other indicators, suggesting the vaccine was having an impact.

She warned, however, that there was still “substantial strain” on the NHS.

“This is a level [below 100 “cases” per 100,000 population] at which a new wave could easily take off from again,” What utter bullshit! With people like this in charge we’ve no chance.

452951 ▶▶ Prof Feargoeson, replying to Tenchy, 2, #856 of 930 🔗

And what would cause this new wave? The pulling power of the Moon?

452962 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tenchy, 3, #857 of 930 🔗

She warned, however, that she will continue to be a “substantial stain” on the NHS.

452986 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PoshPanic, 7, #858 of 930 🔗

Asking the NHS if it is under strain is like asking a farmer if the current state of the weather is good for farming! Today’s dashboard up-date shows 7812 ‘Covid’ patients in NHS England hospitals compared to around 34,000+ in January, so there has been a 73% reduction in ‘covid’ patients and they are still under strain! If the government was doing this seriously and properly there would be an independent assessment panel reporting on the state of the NHS.

452973 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 4, #859 of 930 🔗

Why do people need to watch Harries on the gogglebox to be told that cases and deaths are continuing to fall? There are so many other, less irritating, sources.

So low case numbers are bad news because case numbers could go up in the future? What would actually be good news to these people? Even Zero Covid would be a bad thing because we might one day find a case that goes EXPONENTIAL again..

And is there really, really still “substantial” strain on the NHS?!

452956 rockoman, replying to rockoman, 4, #860 of 930 🔗

Births data for January 2021 – ie the first babies conceived under lockdown, is now becoming available.

“According to INSEE, France’s national statistics agency, about 53,900 babies were born in January. That’s down 13% from January 2020, according to INSEE’s report on February 25 .”


The lowest birth total in living memory in the UK was 657000 in 1977

From the wikipedia page on UK demographics.

In 2019 the figure was around 713000 – with a further decline of about 4% in births to September in 2020.

If the 13 % decline in birth rates in France is replicated in the UK, then 2021 will see the lowest number of births in the UK since sometime in the 19th century.

See the wikipedia entry for annual birth numbers going back to 1900.

452995 ▶▶ leggy, replying to rockoman, #861 of 930 🔗

England and Wales had 464,437 live births Jan-Sept last year. Still no sign of the final numbers.

452970 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 16, #862 of 930 🔗

I went out for a cycle today. very few face naps, except, one young woman walking with an older lady out in the open and two other 30 somethings, who had em round their necks then a I approached pulled them up as I passed. grrrrr. Insane.

The jabbadrome was totally shut up, nothing going at all.

I talked to a mate of mine, he’s had the jab. An interesting conversation. I must say the take away points were: He’s had the jab so now he can go on holiday, he doesn’t care at all about anything to do with the jab, the possible health risks, he doesn’t care about the vaccine passports or having to produce one for going to the pub, hes had the jab.

He called me an conspiracy theorist, yeah so what that I have spent 5000 hours plus reading everything on here there is to read about corona bollocks and much much more to the exclusion of everything else for the whole of the last year.

No that doesn’t matter because of course I can easily pick bits of information out to disprove the narrow normie viewpoints on corona bollocks

His arguments were just idiotic and lame. total non arguments. Why? Because he doesn’t care, he can’t be bothered to read anything at all, he will not read anything I send him because he can’t be bothered.

He knows somebody like me, who won’t wear masks, won’t social distance, won’t have a jab and apparently EVERYBODY THINKS HE’S A C U next Tuesday.

Why not juts follow the rules? He says.

His is nice interesting guy, I like him but not so much now. Sad really.

So get this guy clone him x 30 million and this is why we are were we are today.

To top it all, this comments section is shutting up shop. I heard Alan Watt died. Not such a great day really.

What a shame.

452992 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Two-Six, 8, #863 of 930 🔗

Two-Six I know how you feel. So called friends have had the exact same conversation with me.

i don’t know what I’m going to do without this site. It’s pulled me up from the worst depths of despair. Does Toby care how much some people need the friends they have here just to keep breathing day in day out?

452997 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Redundant Pilot, 2, #864 of 930 🔗

I am on a few discord groups, they aren’t at all bad either with the added advantage of being able to easily use voice chat too.
Try this one perhaps: https://discord.gg/mFwq5FuM
or this one: https://discord.gg/pWXr4NKq
or possibly this one, but only for those with bendy minds: https://discord.gg/r7g8z9sE

452980 Mic67, 4, #865 of 930 🔗

All us refugees getting a nice welcome over at GAB there are also other groups on The Great Reopening etc to join. It would be good to all end up in the same place. 🙂

452981 Laura Suckling, 8, #866 of 930 🔗

To the tune of ‘My old man’s a dustman’

Now here’s a little story
To tell it is a must
About the situation
That obliterates my trust

Some people tell a lot of lies
Others what they see
It’s difficult to separate
But we must to set us free

Oh, Covid is the winner
It gets the winners cup
It necessitates some swabs
Sometimes they’re up your butt

We look a proper nana
With nappies on our face
We all have to wear em
To save the human race

Some folks listen to the news
And some of them believe
So you have to forgive em
For being so naive

Now some of em get nasty
And shout and cause a scene
We can Just ignore em now
They’ll soon get their vaccine

Oh, Covid is the winner
It gets the winners’ cup
It necessitates some swabs
Sometimes they’re up your butt

Though my old man’ has been conned
He’s got an ‘eart of gold
He got the Vax recently
Though he’s 99years old

Oh, Covid is the winner
It gets the winners’ cup
It necessitates some swabs
Sometimes they’re up your butt

Now, one day he may change his mind
He’ll miss the BBC
He’ll think about it for a mo
And decide to now be free

Oh, Covid is the winner
It gets the winners’ cup
It necessitates some swabs
Sometimes they’re up your butt

We found old BoJo’s head one day
Nailed to a piece of wood
Old Boris looked quite miserable
But I suppose he fucking should

Just then from out a window
A voice began to cry
It said, “Oi! Where’s me Boris head?”
“I said it’s gone to trial”

Oh, Covid is the winner
It gets the winners’ cup
It necessitates some swabs
Sometimes they’re up your butt

Next time you see old Boris
Looking all pale and sad
Just kick him in the dustbin
And do the same to his old dad

452985 Cumbriacracked, 13, #867 of 930 🔗

Have had a lovely day today lunching with friends, hugs all round, all very normal thankfully. First chance to catch with the comments today, so it seems this is the last comments. I am not sure if I will join anything else, I have a loathing of all apps or social media type sites sadly.

I have read here from the very beginning but have only been posting over the last couple of weeks, short but sweet as the saying goes.

Can I just say many thanks for the discussions, the humour and just knowing there are like minded people who sadly are also suffering in their own ways due to the draconian ongoing actions of our so called government.

Let’s hope all our musings and mutterings as to what is really going on is all totally wrong and it really has just been one giant hysterical cock up virtually worldwide. Everyone will eventually realise how stupid they have been and life can return to proper old normal, we can then quietly say “we told you so” and all will be well! (You never know……………it could happen!)

452990 Cheezilla, 2, #868 of 930 🔗

…. But this time we do not just face a war on freedom. This time we face a war on human beings, and on all that makes us human.


452994 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 3, #869 of 930 🔗

I think I just joined gab TwoSix is my user name

452999 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Two-Six, 4, #870 of 930 🔗

Me too, although unfortunately OldTrout was taken so I’m OldTrout1

453006 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Old Trout, 1, #871 of 930 🔗

it seems I am waiting for my application to be ordained or something. not sure how that works

453002 PoshPanic, #872 of 930 🔗

You asked for miracles and I give you Dido Harding. What a surprise!


453003 Melangell, 10, #873 of 930 🔗

Having been out all day, I’ve only just logged onto the comments section and found out about the changes. Maybe it’s because I’ve had a long day and an unpleasant skirmish with a bonkers masked shop owner but I have to confess that I feel near to tears that this is likely to be the last one. I feel as if I’ve walked into my favourite café where I go every day to stay sane and feel supported through all the insanity, only to find that the tables and chairs have all been shoved aside and the customers – my friends and community – dispersed to other obscure parts of the building. Some of them have left altogether in disgust. I stand there feeling isolated and alone.
Could someone please repost Toby’s email address so I can add my voice of protest to this brutal dismantling of our online community?

453005 Still Got It, replying to Still Got It, 15, #874 of 930 🔗

I feel pretty devastated that this comments section appears to be going. I have had some really bad moments particularly in the last few months and this site has been incredibly important.

I have come to love and rely on the freewheeling discourse, the meandering threads, the forensic analysis of stats and, most importantly, Biker’s filth.

Where to now my friends?

453014 ▶▶ V, replying to Still Got It, 4, #875 of 930 🔗

“Drain the swamp!” – Toby Young, NewSpeak Union

453026 ▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to V, #876 of 930 🔗

Nice! 🙁

453016 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Still Got It, 1, #877 of 930 🔗

Go to the GAB group, it looks like that’s where we are all going. I’m there as RedundantPilot so we should be able to all find each other. I hope!

453020 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Redundant Pilot, 1, #878 of 930 🔗

Hi Redundant Pilot. Can you make this very clear for people – like me – who don’t have the first clue? How do I join GAB? What group is ‘the group’ when I do?

453025 ▶▶▶▶ Mic67, replying to Ovis, 1, #879 of 930 🔗

Here is the group. Before joining it, you create a quick profile, all you need is email and password. https://gab.com/groups/7848

453049 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mic67, #880 of 930 🔗


453034 ▶▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Ovis, 2, #881 of 930 🔗

Okay go to this link, it’s a normal website not an app…


you have to request to join. There is already a post there welcoming all of us refugees from lockdown sceptics. It’s easy enough to do, just register yourself and then join the group.

453052 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Redundant Pilot, #882 of 930 🔗


453022 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Still Got It, 4, #883 of 930 🔗

Yes. In my earlier post, I didn’t sufficiently emphasize the obvious importance of the contact, support and reassurance contained in the comment section for some in the community. It’s easy to forget – if you have contacts or family or a network in this shit-show – that this isn’t the case for everyone.

Toby – you need to listen if you are a serious person. You can’t just cop out once you’ve started a ball rolling.

453039 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to RickH, 2, #884 of 930 🔗

Hear, hear.

Toby – this site has kept some of us bloody ALIVE!!!! I’m serious.

453041 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to RickH, 1, #885 of 930 🔗

Hi Rick, this section is definitely going. I’ve had a reply from Toby to my email asking for it to stay, and seems they aren’t very happy with the content here. Takes them too much time to moderate all our bollox. (See my earlier post – if it doesn’t disappear!)

453061 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to RickH, #886 of 930 🔗

Rick get over to the gab equivalent site…


453029 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Still Got It, 2, #887 of 930 🔗

Join several of us at Gab Lockdown Sceptics Group.

453037 ▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Still Got It, 1, #888 of 930 🔗


I think everyone seems to be moving here. Create a profile and request to join this group.

453012 DomW, 1, #889 of 930 🔗

Testing an idea

We could pick an article for the day’s posts (the first ?) and provide a link tn the comments on each article which pops up later

e.g. **** Main chat for 8/3/21 on the following article ***


453013 Old Trout, replying to Old Trout, 9, #890 of 930 🔗

Wow have just had a reply from Toby to my email pleading for the BTL comments section to stay. Well it seems we are not at all popular with our host who says the section is going due to them not having enough bandwith to moderate it. The comments section is apparently a ‘toxic swamp’ full of swearing, insults and false claims about the vaccine that is ‘damaging the website’s reputation.’

Sadly I think it may be time to move somewhere new. I know quite a few of us have just signed up to the Gab group. If anyone has other suggestions I’d love to hear from you.

453015 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Old Trout, 3, #891 of 930 🔗

With whom is the reputation of the site to be saved?

453031 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Old Trout, 4, #892 of 930 🔗

For whatever it’s worth, I’ve just set up r/LockdownSceptics on Reddit. You need a Reddit account to post and currently I will have to approve new joiners. Dunno if it will be anything like the current experience, but I thought it was worth a punt.

453042 ▶▶▶ Suet, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #893 of 930 🔗

Cheers, Mabs. I’ve joined.

453051 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Mabel Cow, #894 of 930 🔗

Thanks MC. I’ve just joined Gab for the Lockdown Sceptics group there but I’ll apply for a Reddit account too. Hopefully we can all find each other on one of those places.

453055 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to Mabel Cow, #895 of 930 🔗

I’ve joined you at Reddit too as well as gab

453058 ▶▶▶ Cranmer, replying to Mabel Cow, #896 of 930 🔗

Thanks, just joined.

453059 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Mabel Cow, #897 of 930 🔗


453073 ▶▶▶ rose, replying to Mabel Cow, #898 of 930 🔗


453032 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Old Trout, 10, #899 of 930 🔗

Site visits will drop off. They probably haven’t considered that most of the hits are us lot refreshing the page to check for new posts. Oh well, good whilst it lasted. Much like our lives pre-lockdown.

453043 ▶▶▶ Redundant Pilot, replying to leggy, 4, #900 of 930 🔗

Leggy go to gab….


it seems it’s where people are moving to.

453062 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to Redundant Pilot, #901 of 930 🔗

I’ve requested to join the Gab lockdown group. Do you know how long it takes to get approved?

453078 ▶▶▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Biggles, #902 of 930 🔗

Hi Biggles, I’ve joined Gab too, also waiting for approval. I think I live very near you btw, maybe we can compare notes on Gab.

453067 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Redundant Pilot, #903 of 930 🔗

There are two Lockdown Sceptics Groups on Gab!
See also: https://gab.com/groups/25813

453044 ▶▶ JohnDanny, replying to Old Trout, 7, #904 of 930 🔗

‘The comments section is apparently a ‘toxic swamp’ full of swearing, insults and false claims about the vaccine that is ‘damaging the website’s reputation.’’

This comments section is informative and filled largely with knowledgeable people who know their stuff.

Can he identify these ‘false claims’ about the ‘vaccine’?

Grant for the sake of argument that some have made false claims. So what? Free speech, right, ‘Tobes’? Can ‘Tobes’ provide a coherent argument for allowing only ‘true claims’?

It looks like ‘Tobes’ is just another establishment rat.

Moderate that, Young.

453053 ▶▶ jonathan Palmer, replying to Old Trout, 3, #905 of 930 🔗

I have had a lot of trouble getting here today.I think the new format is a convenient way to get rid of the comment section.I think we are seeing a lot of mainstream sceptic voices making their peace with the regime.

453063 ▶▶▶ Old Trout, replying to jonathan Palmer, 2, #906 of 930 🔗

Yes I’m sure you’ve hit the nail on the head. I think it’s mainly the anti-vaccine stance of many of the comments that is causing the problem. After all we’ve had plenty of swearing on here for ages and it never seemed to bother them before. As most of us have noticed lately, ATL seems very pro-vax.

453023 mhcp, 7, #907 of 930 🔗

Catturd on the (lack of) money

453027 V, 8, #908 of 930 🔗

It’s been swell, you’re an interesting and informative bunch. Take care and good luck, wherever you land. And remember, it’s only evolution, baby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI

453036 Richy_m_99, 1, #909 of 930 🔗

Dreaded hospital appointment today with a consultant. Previous visits to Morriston in Swansea did not prepare me for the chaos of the Royal Gwent. The appointment letter simply said Royal Gwent Hospital in the department, so anticipating running a few minutes late, I phoned to ask where I was supposed to go. The consultant I was seeing is a visiting consultant who does not have a department there.

Eventually was told to go to the inpatients and arrived there at appointment time (Morriston insist you do not arrive early), to discover a queue of at least 30, including on crutches and in wheelchairs, waiting to get in. The wait was about 45 minutes, judging by the comment of the chap at the head of the queue, whose appointment was at 14.05 and it was now 14.40.

Realising that a visiting consulant is not going to be happy hanging around for 45 minutes, I bypassed the queue, much to the annoyance of several at the front, and after a brief wait, was admitted after a temeprature check. Brief couple of minute wait and in with the consultant, then sent for an expected x-ray. Time in the building was 45 minutes.

Only on other person seen unmasked on the premises, a receptionist in x-ray. Even outside in the queue they were all in masks. Had my lanyard on, but tucked into my to pocket, so not so obvious. No one challenged me at all.

Compared with Moriston, there seemed to be an awful atmosphere of demoralisation.

453045 JayBee, 2, #910 of 930 🔗

Probably explains the position of the site now….

“Getting vaccinated is a patriotic act. So is speaking up to support public health efforts.”
I can’t eat as much as I have to puke when I read such garbage.
And that is before considering that we don’t have any vaccines available yet, only experimental gene therapies with emergency approval, for people who are to over 90% not at much risk and no potential emergencies.

453046 Cheezilla, 5, #911 of 930 🔗

I’ve been wondering how long Toby&Co could stay up till the early hours, editing chunks of the MSM to post for our perusal while being negatively criticised for much of their efforts.

I did think it was odd that the email version suddenly had a donate button as the first thing encountered on opening, especially as we’ve had a lot of new members recently.

However, I can only say how grateful I have been to Toby for allowing this community to remain here for so long uncensored.

I am also very grateful to everyone here for their support, comradeship, candour, poetry, music links, much needed humour and the awesome information shared here that I’ve enjoyed and benefited from over the last several months.

Hope to see you on the Gab Lockdown Sceptics Group. Maybe we’ll work out how to create a long rambling chat thread like we have here……

453050 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #912 of 930 🔗

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end

And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt

Johnny Cash – Hurt

After all the hoo-haa on this site today i have that ‘last day at school feeling’ and a big let down empty feeling. I am not sure how the finances of this site work out? but i was about to make another donation but have now held back. I feel that the originator of this site has let me down, kicked me in the teeth, insulted me and made me hurt. If the result of this action is a lack of donations then I guess the future of this site is not good, maybe it is his way of pulling the plug on it all.
Even if we could somehow use the forum section or something, knowing that the owner of this site thinks so badly of us and is so embarrassed by us would make its strange to carry on.
It is weird how it is the vaccine that has been the breaking point and I say ‘the vaccine’ when i am guessing that for many. like myself, it is these mRNA vaccines and genetic control vaccines that have been the sticking point. If they were pushing a traditional type virus i would probably have said ‘silly idea’ but to keep the peace I will give it a go but these Pfizer/AZ potions are in a very different league. But his site has fought shy of even discussing the technicalities of these genetic therapy vaccines.

You are a great bunch and have been a huge help to me hopefully see some of you around somewhere somehow.
Huge thanks to you all from me.

453060 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #913 of 930 🔗

Many of us are emigrating to the Gab Lockdown Sceptics Group. See if it’s a fit for you.

453071 ▶▶ Old Trout, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #914 of 930 🔗

I feel the same Steve, I’m still reeling a little from Toby’s email calling our (mostly) friendly and supportive comments section a ‘toxic swamp’ – but this site has been getting more and more like the MSM lately so perhaps it’s right that we move on. Hopefully some of us will find each other on the Gab group or other platforms.

453074 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Old Trout, #915 of 930 🔗

Really? He called us that??

453054 Cheezilla, #916 of 930 🔗

Anyone had the jab in the UK and signed anything similar to this?


453057 Jinks, 14, #917 of 930 🔗

So I guess I’ll see you guys on the flip-side. I pray you all find strength, hope and fellowship. This comments section was like a real family for a while. We informed, vented, argued, insulted, made-up, ignored, encouraged and most of all loved. Thank you all so much for banishing any doubt the path I’m travelling is a lonely one. To have bedfellows such as you all, I feel proud, humbled and privileged to be on this journey with you. Though we may be parted by distance, we are in truth, closer than any of us realise. I love you all so much, and will always hold you in my heart, thoughts and prayers.

453064 Cranmer, replying to Cranmer, 3, #918 of 930 🔗

It’s a sad ‘last day of school’ feeling on here (ironically on the first day back for most schoolchildren) but this should be a salutary lesson – if things are going to get as bad as some people think, then sites like this will just disappear without so much as a by your leave – and we will be lucky to even have Telegram to fall back on. So enjoy the new sites, reddit, gab etc but don’t neglect ‘real’ sceptics in your area – you may need them one day.

453070 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Cranmer, 1, #919 of 930 🔗

Yes – real people are very important, but I’d still like to meet all you real people on here one day too.

453068 CGL, replying to CGL, 2, #921 of 930 🔗

I’ve just requested to join the Gab group – please please join!! We need each-other more than ever – please don’t let this group break up!

453072 ▶▶ Nymeria, replying to CGL, 1, #922 of 930 🔗

CGL, can you tell me how to join, please? I’ve absolutely no idea what a Gab group is.

453075 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CGL, 2, #923 of 930 🔗

I agree. I’d hate to lose the friends I feel I’ve made here.

There are two groups on Gab.

Gab Lockdown Sceptics: https://gab.com/groups/25813

And Gab Lockdown Sceptics and Rebels Group: https://gab.com/groups/25813

I’m already in the first and have just requested to join the second. Hope to find you there.

453076 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to CGL, #924 of 930 🔗

Just joined… Hope to carry on the conversation in another online “cafe”

453080 ▶▶ DRW, replying to CGL, #925 of 930 🔗

I’ve signed up for Gab and now been accepted into the LS&R group, different username but hopefully we’ll all find each other again soon.

453085 ▶▶▶ rockoman, replying to DRW, #926 of 930 🔗

Did you get an automatic confirmation.

I registered, or at least I think I did – but no email yet.

453081 ▶▶ Liz F, replying to CGL, #927 of 930 🔗

Just joined Gab too! Gutted to lose touch with all you wonderful contributors to this comments section. Really hope to catch up with lots of you on Gab.

453077 The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall, #928 of 930 🔗

Moved to Gab, username maskexemptcovidmarshall.

See you there!

453079 JHUNTZ, 1, #929 of 930 🔗

It’s a real shame that the sum total of all our comments amounts to a toxic swamp.

Pre Covid I was a fairly civil and friendly person with an extremely fulfilling and may I say successful life. This government removed all meaning and purpose from my life. I didn’t choose this path it was forced on me. Apologies, if this has resulted in some comments of bitter resentment and expletive profanities.

I am still extremely grateful that Toby formed this site and allowed for the open comments. However, I am also grateful that we can now move on if we are no longer welcome. I have joined gab and lockdown sceptics on reddit.

453084 John Galt, #930 of 930 🔗

Quite amazing to see Toby describe the comments section as a “toxic swamp that is damaging the sites reputation”. The site is now utterly useless without the comments section. Whether it’s possible to comment on individual articles or not seems beside the point – the site owners don’t want the comments, so I guess we’ll just leave them to carry out whatever the purpose of the site actually is. Because what even is it? It was quite clear initially, but then things moved on, and the site didn’t.

Without the comments section I’ll never visit the site again. I imagine it will be the same for most.


205 users made 930 comments today.

290Jinks1420, 53, 8, 5, 5, 20, 25, 9, 11, 38, 20, 3, 10, 7, 11, 6, 11, 5, 0, 2, 1, 5, 1, 0
217Steve Martindale22, 63, 23, 10, 6, 11, 6, 10, 53, 7, 6
212Annie39, 5, 8, 21, 80, 19, 34, 5, 0, 1
212Lisa (formerly) from Toronto72, 65, 2, 6, 2, 2, 1, 9, 11, 1, 8, 13, 2, 14, 4
192FerdIII15, 8, 10, 14, 11, 10, 7, 5, 6, 4, 21, 10, 7, 5, 13, 12, 1, 5, 3, 9, 3, 4, 7, 2
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159JohnDanny14, 2, 0, 39, 17, 6, 5, 5, 28, 9, 22, 5, 7
151Basileus11, 4, 1110, 2, 15, 2, 1, 1, 9, 3, 11, 27, 2, 16, 17, 1, 8
148Bruce Reynolds17, 48, 59, 4, 11, 9
147Victoria4, 4, 21, 127, 6, 5, 5, 5, 3, 2, 5, 9, 7, 3, 5, 11, 4, 13, 16, 0
142danny52, 16, 74
133PastImperfect66, 489, 0, 6, 4
120Allen116, 1, 3, 0, 0
117Sam Vimes9, 17, 12, 7, 3, 3, 2, 0, 14, 7, 38, 2, 3
116Julian36, 29, 12, 0, 9, 8, 2, 1, 4, 7, 8
115Friedrich Stapß113, 2
113rockoman104, 3, 3, 8, 6, 4, 3, 0, 5, 7, 4, 1, 0, 0, 2, 8, 16, 4, 2, 0, 19, 4, 0
108marebobowl8, 14, 4, 4, 2, 22, 26, 28
107Old Trout2, 77, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 9, 0, 0, 2, 1
101Crystal Decanter4, 3, 1, 0, 10, 1, 3, 5, 7, 5, 11, 0, 3, 0, 6, 3, 6, 2, 3, 2, 3, 5, 6, 10, 2
99RickH13, 13, 12, 2, 15, 1, 9, 2, 5, 6, 4, 0, 6, 4, 3, 4
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87Boris Bullshit9, 3, 15, 0, 20, 13, 10, 17
87steve_w429, 17, 1, 1, 9, 7, 19
86Schrodinger21, 65
85Fear is Finite25, 19, 7, 1, 26, 3, 1, 3
82Steve F1, 6, 38, 2, 6, 1, 0, 19, 9
82Prof Feargoeson3, 3, 1, 14, 2, 0, 18, 1, 0, 0, 2, 4, 4, 8, 11, 1, 0, 3, 4, 1, 2
74Mabel Cow14, 17, 6, 19, 8, 6, 0, 4
73Suzyv20, 53
73Two-Six88, 2, 16, 13, 2, 2, 16, 2, 3, 1
72Liewe6, 35, 23, 8
67Mic6741, 5, 8, 3, 2, 0, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 14, 5, 4, 0, 0, 1
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63JayBee12, 2, 0-3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 13, 12, 7, 0, 0, 6, 0, 7, 3
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60Sandra Barwick31, 1, 6, 7, 8, 7
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53Londo Mollari14, 23, 10, 6
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50Banjones41, 9, 4, 2, 9, 13, 6, 2
50Bart Simpson2, 4, 0, 1, 18, 9, 0, 1, 1, 13, 1
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49DRW25, 4, 0, 14, 5, 0, 1, 0
46SilentP23, 1, 22
46jb128, 0, 38
44ShropshireLass9, 15, 10, 10
43Redundant Pilot25, 8, 1, 2, 2, 0, 1, 0, 4
42PoshPanic023, 5, 1, 0, 6, 3, 1, 3
40Andrea Salford14, 3, 3, 2, 6, 7, 1, 0, 3, 1
39JohnB0, 4, 4, 1, 0, 2, 0, 4, 1, 3, 5, 1, 0, 1, 6, 2, 5
38awildgoose7, 6, 25
37Thomas_E12, 25
37DevonBlueBoy4, 6, 18, 9
37TheHandbag4, 10, 2, 10, 7, 2, 2
36Jo Starlin27, 2, 7
36godowneasy4, 17, 12, 3
36Fiona Walker10, 8, 9, 7, 2
35jos8, 8, 8, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4, 3
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31WasSteph412, 15
31neilhartley2, 20, 5, 4
30James Leary #KBF246, 0
29Mutineer16, 4, 4, 5
29Cheezilla2, 5, 01, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 1, 1, 1, 5, 2, 2, 0, 2, 2
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28this is my username16, 5, 7
27Dame Lynet27, 0
27Dodderydude3, 9, 4, 11
27stewart3, 7, 0, 13, 0, 4
26disgruntled24610, 16
26mhcp76, 13
26John64, 16, 0, 0
25Richy_m_99116, 8
24Nessimmersion10, 14
24Lucan Grey14, 10
24LS996, 18
24kenadams4, 15, 5
24davews3, 49, 2, 2, 4
23The Filthy Engineer6, 15, 0, 2
21Markus Skepticus15, 6
21Charlie Blue2, 19
21A. Contrarian14, 3, 4
20pub with no beer1, 9, 3, 7
20crimsonpirate11, 0, 0, 6, 0, 1, 2
20LMS25, 0, 4, 0, 2, 7, 2
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19iane1, 18
19Ken Garoo5, 3, 11
19Ovis2, 13, 1, 0, 0, 3
17Freecumbria6, 4, 0, 4, 2, 1
16GCarty8083, 0, 5
16AshesThanDust4, 6, 2, 4
16JanMasarykMunich5, 1, 1, 2, 7
15Harry hopkins15
15Still Got It15
15Bigade6, 5, 4
15Andrew K1, 0, 5, -2, 0, 1, 10
14Cecil B4, 10
14Tenchy4, 10
14trevorpee4, 10
14Binra53, 1, 5
14Fingerache Philip7, 3, 0, 4, 0
14Edward140, 0, 0, 0, 0
13JME5, 8
13SimonCook8, 5
13bluemoon3, 3, 4, 3
13V81, 0, 4
12peyrole8, 4
12Alex B11, 1, 0
11Silke David2, 6, 3
10Bill Gisz10
9Old Bill5, 0, 4
8John0017, 1
8Stringfellow Hawke4, 4
8rose5, 3, 0
7Bella Donna7
7TheOriginalBlackPudding6, 1, 0
6arfurmo6, 0
6Jaguarpig6, -1, 1
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5Bill Sanderson5
5BertieFox0, 5
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4maggie may1, 1, 2, 0, 0
3Cranmer0, 0, 3
3CGL0, 1, 2
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2Cedric the dragon2
2Sarigan (Day 350 of lockdown)2
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0The Mask Exempt Covid Marshall0
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